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Hour 1: Jaguars & Jets Get Their Guys

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35:42 min | 4 months ago

Hour 1: Jaguars & Jets Get Their Guys

"Stephen it's not just a football friday. it's also a feel good friday. What's going on everybody. I take thank you for spending part of your day here with us. stephen. Smith max kellerman a rosenfels. I'm really pump for this weekend. We've got four divisional games and obviously the main event max. You know what it is brady brees. We'll get to those in just a minute but first bell us. I wanna get your reaction to some news in the nfl. So let's start there if you're cool with that. The new york jets have reached an agreement in principle with san francisco. Forty niners defensive coordinator robert sala to be their next head coach. The deal is for five years solid. Who is a lebanese-american will become the first muslim head coach. Masha llah shadow in dearborn in the fourth minority head coach currently in the nfl meanwhile urban meyer had back to the state of florida. But this time to coach the pros. He's the new head coach of the jacksonville. Jaguars stephen i like. Both these higher said this is a tough one for you. But what do you think is the better higher easily. Urban meyer on the salon had the seventeenth ranked defense. This year wasn't his four some injuries and they were great against the run in the past. Just seventeen points allowed. But the bottom line is i get. I get the fact that he could be as his new york city. We'll see what he does his no question about urban meyer questioned about the greatness of urban meyer law before we knew who the hell urban meyer was. Let's understand why he succeeded. At the university of florida the man went twenty. Two and two in two years at utah tend to first year twelve and a second year and a fiesta bowl. Where when i think he co coach car wittingham at that but for the fiesta bowl because he was in route to florida and we know what he did at florida national championship. You know what he did. How state to national championships. We know that utah. He won ninety one percent of his games in ohio stadium ninety percent of his games. This brother is elite. Wherever urban meyer goldberg it's an upward move. Man is just brilliant at coaching game of football. It's literally being a man amongst boys. You know being that father figure no one is xs and os knowing how to inspire and motivate to maximize the potential around you. He's proven on the collegiate level. Is the nfl different absolutely. It's different foot most coaches but the elite want. It doesn't appear to matter. In some cases. I think this is one of those cases. He's not just going to jacksonville. But he's going to bring trevor lawrence with them so they'll finally have a quarterback that they can rely upon and build around and obviously you don't have tom coughlin holding over this organization getting in the way with his drill sergeant tendencies that served to alienate stars like jalen ramsey callejas campbell and others. No this is a situation. Where urban mayan. His impeccable resume speaks for itself. And i think that's a huge huge deal particularly jacksonville. Remember max. It doesn't matter the market in the national football league. They've successfully gone about the business of accomplishing parody. Duale small-market teams big market teams. It don't matter what a hard salary cap league or whatever the case may be bottom line is when it comes to football. None of that is relevant in the national football league. It's about your ability to coach and having a personnel around you. I believe in urban meyer and i believe this is obviously v right job for him particularly since he succeeded so much in gainesville now. Jacksonville is obviously not that far away. This why he went back there. I think it's a great move so as to better higher and they're both good. Hires both teams did well here but saw the better higher for the jets and by the way when the giants were looking for coaching candidates and giants fans like me. Were hoping maybe they get to talk to him. Maybe they hire maybe higher hip. Stephen there is something about a guy when you hear first of all. He takes over a team with the defense ranked dead last in the nfl. The worst defense in the nfl and within two seasons. They're a top five defense consistently season over season. There a top five defense and then this year the middle of the pack defense. They had a lot of injuries. It was bizarre year with cova. Still a middle of the pack defense. There's something about that defensive guy that coordinator who gets those kinds of results and who sits in the meeting and wows everyone there right we you and i always bring it up tomlin re tomlin and got the job then you hear them talking about okay i get it well. He wowed us in the media. Yeah no kidding. He gave you that sense. Obviously and is one of those guys to everyone including as has been widely reported this point. Richard sherman says they got a good one. No players who. He has coached by reputation. What you're hearing about the impression he makes and the results as coach steven all in the nfl in the nfl not in college now. I know the jags are really good. Position urban meyer inherits a good situation. Because while you can't really recruit in the nfl. That's a big part of of coaching in college. He is sort of a way recruiting. Because they're gonna use the pick on the best quarterback in the draft on trevor lawrence and that gives them an advantage and it's been widely reported or at least adam schefter reported they have a hundred billion dollars cap space. But guess what the jets have the second pick in the draft and they have another i also have a lot of draft capital and they have like seventy million dollars in cash base so they both inherit good situations while. They're both good. Hires after everything. I just said about solid you have to start to parse things and see where there's a little difference stephen. Urban urban meyer's managerial skills in terms of his staff. And that was a controversy with zach smith. That hadn't leave his last job right. Well that's a lot of being. Nfl has share. It is about what i'm saying. That wasn't about football. That was about some other things that that's part of anybody. Man i'll say this urban meyer has twice left jobs when it got tough and by the way they were going in the wrong direction. Ohio state like when you look at how many bad losses they had. It's not that there were a lot of them but the losses like wow. They lost that game their issues in the running game. That'll happen in urban meyer's last season he was dealing with a lot. I understand but that's the fact of the matter and and what you seen is he takes off so the jags have a guy were they have to wonder when the going gets tough is gonna take off meantime. The jets got a guy who's a rising star among coordinators who. Everyone seems to think they got lucky to get who has. Nfl experience succeeding. We'll see we'll see first of all. I want to say this. He's of lebanese descent. Mass my understanding. And they're saying that maybe he's the first muslim arab american obviously to be an nfl head coach from a diversity perspective. We should all be happy in very happy for him. I liked the guy personally. Got a defensive background first year. Defensively twenty-fifth second year ranked twenty eight. Then he catapulted to eight went to the super bowl and then last year they fell off a little bit because the cove there's no question he deserves the job and i'm happy for him. I'm just thinking that. What about sam donald. You brought into defensive guy. hopefully that'll help sam donna. We'll find out we'll see they both have pretty solid to me. But you guys are the opinion-makers here. Let's keep it rolling because we got a big one this weekend. And i cannot wait for that. The best game of the weekend fellows in my humble opinion brady brees bucks. Saints drill is five and two versus tom. All-time new orleans a three point favorite max. Kellerman love hearing you talk about tom brady so i'd like to come to you. I do. You believe that he will pull off this upset new orleans. I don't i do think it would be an upset. Not just according to the oddsmakers. Expect the saints to win. The bucks are peaking at the right time. There's no question they look like. They're firing on all cylinders. But let's keep in mind. When i know it's hard to imagine people think right. Can you imagine. Tom brady being beaten three times by a team in his own division. Who he knows he has to beat. Boy that's hard to imagine but in fact what history bears out is if one team beats another twice in the regular season. They're going to do it again in the playoffs because the fact is as hard as it is to imagine that you're gonna lose three times the fact that they lost twice that team indicates they're not quite as good at least a matchup isn't good for them. What's first of all saints. Better record saints for the better team and that was dealing with catastrophic injury to drew brees that was dealing with michael. Thomas not often available Emmanuel sanders able at times but now drew breeze comes in with his full complement of weapons. And what was the issue with in terms of the styles. Matchup four brady and the bucks with the saints. It's that they have a front for. That can get pressure on the quarterback and tom brady not know quarterback likes pressure. But especially not tom brady. When you don't have to blitz when you can just bring four and they can do it the saints can do it. They can get pressure on. Tom brady with their front four. That's bad for brady. And yes drew. Brees has been less than great in the playoffs. Recently but a lot of that seems to be that the attrition got him. He's not a big strong guy like these quarterbacks he's a smaller guy you can imagine the accumulation of punishment catching up but maybe that was a silver lining in the injury. He didn't have to play football all those weeks. I expect to see a better rested. Fresher drew brees now in these playoffs than we have in seasons past and steven a. I expect breeze with full complement of weapons and that defense. That is twice so far pressure. Tom brady to do it again and win the game. Max kellerman. I don't disagree with anything that you're saying from a football standpoint. I have no argument to make other than this. I just have a feeling you go down. Twenty four seven before losing thirty four to twenty three in new orleans in the season opener. We all know that in new orleans ran away with that game. The second time they go to camp tampa and they just blitzed the more sunday night they were up thirty eight to nothing before the final score was thirty. Eight to three. Tom brady and have a good game. In either scenario you had antonio brown. The second game rounded didn't matter. Mike evans chris. Godwin couldn't do but so much gronkowski could do. But so much. I just find it very very very hard to stomach to believe as much as i love my jew breeze. I find it very hard to believe that. After getting blitzed on two occasions against the same team that you go there and for the third time you get ramrod at to this. Is tom brady two. We're talking about here. It's just find it unfathomable that there are no adjustments that there's nothing learned from those annihilation that took place at the hands of the new orleans saints. I just find it almost impossible to believe that as good as the saints are is better as they have been an even though anybody and their mother would be justified in picking the saints with his game. I just find this to be one of those games. Mac that set up for brady and the crew to find a way. I certainly expected gain to be close no matter what i really really do. I do not expect a blow out this time around but it would not surprise me at all because of the manner in which the saints have so manhandled the bucks in the two occasions that third time is not a charm that somehow some way that forty three. Oh mr geriatric himself summits up something. And antonio brown joins the fray and he's become more of a priority for tom brady as the season as aggressive with you pointed out over a week ago. Obviously with other de the additional weapons in evans and gobble. Gobble gotta stop dropping passes. We get it. Excuse me can't just leonard fournette out there and hopefully ronald jones. The second it'll be back. I'm just saying. I find it very difficult to believe that for the third go row. You get shellacked by the same team in same season when you are led by tom. Brady i find that very difficult to stomach. I can't see it the lacking either. I'm going but i see a saint. i'm going with the saints. And i don't see a shellacking either. First of all the saints are at home right. And i want to. I want to mean anything. That's to the points that a little bit. it means a little. I mean they beat them at home worse than they beat them on the road right so far. They beat them twice. I want to answer two of the points you brought up. I think they're good ones. I think antonio brown's a very good point antonio brown if he gets to he's had enough time now to be antonio brown again. I think people are all sleeping. What that means antonio is way better than evans. Godwin if he's antonio brown and those are excellent players right right there excellent players and they're not close to antonio brown. If brown is healthy antonio brown is arguably one of the five best receivers who ever lived. And he's in his prime right now physically. He should be so if he's truly healthy and you see them trending in that direction and rather integrated into the team and is back to being antonio brown. That is a huge weapons stephen. That's why i think the game can be close. Expect him to be featured. That's number one number two motivation. You talk about. Tom brady just hard to believe him losing. Okay think about the motivation for each guy. Brady's motivation is just to win as always going to be back next year his arm still looks like it has some juice and really poised to make another. Did you get that molly does did you did you. Did you got to cut for you here to drew brees. Tom brady even even as his arm. Reeker to me. In recent seasons it's still look stronger than drew breezes accuracy. I mean strength the bar. I don't think anyone would argue that. And i never did but my point is this. He knows he's coming back. What's the motivation now. What people might say something like. I might say. Tom brady lost a playoff game in his division right. Suddenly when you have to go up against another great quarterback drew brees a great quarterback in the division like the afc east for twenty years. No great quarterbacks ever so occasionally a decent one but it was the most atrocious twenty year period in the history of any division in the nfl for quarterback play and so in that under those circumstances brady always won the division. You win one home game. You go to the championship game now. All the sudden you have another great quarterback in your division. What happens you lose three times. You go home. Yeah that's that's that's some stuff. People say what about drew brees. Stephen drew brees is sitting there. We don't know drew brees is going to be back. Let's say drew brees ain't gonna be back. This is it. This is his last shot or maybe his best team since he won the super bowl up against tom. Brady brees has more motivation. I'm not questioning that. I'm just saying the rest of the team when you stopped on somebody two times in a row. You know what they're be intending on being back did not retiring the motivation that you're speaking to about drew brees while very very on point is it does speak for everybody else. That's number one and number two to get back to drew brees. No max you. You never said that tom. Brady's arm was weakened and drew brees or anything like that. It's just that when you talked about cliff. You always talked about tom. Brady when you talked about. An absence of allowed was an austrian. Guess what you talked about with tom. Brady you didn't bring those things that were drew. Brees that just flew under your rada. You'd never mentioned it. Molly's a witness to this. You never mentioned drew brees. You'd never talked about him what he was loudly. What i mentioned was that drew brees still had his accuracy and accuracy is what he hung so drew. Brees was still closer to elite closer to his old self even without the arm. Strength as tom brady. Who seem to lose some zip off. His fastball yes. He could still throw it you know. He still had his fastball but he couldn't control it the same way so that seems to me to be mark of age however this year with an embarrassment of riches at the receiver position made very good use of what. What does that have been. Banishment of riches. Don't have anything to drink. He has not been as good as he once was but he's still been very good. I've given him that credit already. Known act surprise. Do you own or rent your home. Sure you do. And i bet it can be hard work. You know it's easy. Bundling policies with geico geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its gyco easy visit. Geico dot com. Today that's geico dot com. Why at once app desk was white. Once last thing give back running with elite. Qb's resolute kenneth on t. d.'s. Across nova step behind the cloud. Because you know with the thirty for thirty two finger. Push bruce lee showing no mercy. Fat file got the crew on deck g. Do no one else goes deeper. That's a fact. Espn download now. The defending james face. The browns coming off their first plant win over twenty five years odell beckham. Junior says it won't be their only playoff win. This season tweeting quote. Don't be surprised this weekend when they win. Just throwing it out there now. On that note we bring champion ryan clark. Rc always good. To see you. i will be with you shortly. Kansas city favored by ten. Everybody so stephanie. Are the browns more likely to get blown out or to keep a close blown now. I'm not predicting the a blowout. I'm not predicting it's going to be a blow out. But i'm just saying you asked if i had to take my money this is. I'm answering the question. Ryan if i take my money and put it on the table and you only got two choices right close game or blow out. I'm gonna say a blow out for this reason. I fully understand that the brian the browns running game. You moved to change you. Keep the ball out of patrick. The homes you can make things happen. Because they're the top three russian attack in the national football league. I get that my belief max. Is this the kansas city. Chiefs are going to remember how they gave up those leads. I'm trying to get how they surrended big leads early in the playoffs last year and then they ended up having these comeback dropping forty one straight points on houston texas. Come back on tennessee. Titans that's what they're going to remember what i'm saying. Is this year dane doing that. They're gonna come out guns blazing and what they do is they. Put cleveland on their heels. And then cleveland is gonna have to exercise patience four. They go hit the panic button. Because do patrick mahomes is like coming out the woodwork wreaking havoc and we already in the hole. So we're gonna have to put an baker mayfield's hands and throw a football. I think i think kansas city a scoring a touchdown on their first two possessions. Their first two possesses they score a touchdown and all of a sudden. That's what it's gonna turn into now. It could be a shootout like they had against the baltimore ravens than the regular season when they lost forty seven forty two. If i remember correctly something like that. But i'll see that happening. I see ultimately kansas city pulling away. Because patrick mahomes boys come out slinging it all over the place against a suspect defense in cleveland. Meaning suspect secondary. 'cause we're garrett in those words going after the past. I know that they can make difficult. But i just see it being one of those things. Where potentially they run with it. If i had to pick between the two. I'm gonna say is kansas city running away in the second half. Its kansas city. Close much more likely and by the way you can score in sixty seconds and it can take the other team six minutes but in the end. If you're scoring touchdowns what difference does it make you know. And here's the thing. The browns first of all baker mayfield's a capable throw the football. We see yes to be like most quarterbacks he has to be in the right situation mahomes doesn't have to be. That's why mahomes one most special quarterbacks who ever lived if ema special bakers like most other guys in the right situation. Both other good quarterbacks in the right situation you can throw it. And he's shown can and he can do it under pressure. Here's the other thing. Don't forget about style of play for a second. The browns just put forty eight on the steelers defense forty eight and that they doubled their previous total against the steelers from the very previous game because they played them. In consecutive games end of the regular season in the playoff they put twenty four and by the way in recent games. They had a very tough in close loss to baltimore. And they beat the titans. Now they have quality wins and they're capable of putting up points when they need to and they're capable of playing defense when they need to and the style of play might bode well for them. But here's the other thing about the chiefs. I put their schedule up in front of me. I can tell you off the top my head. They blew up the chargers and the jets november first. They blew out the jets and their most recent game. They blew up the chargers to teams. Who were so bad. That they fired their coaches right like. That's what happened in between those two games. Tell you the scores of their games. Okay you tell me if you see a blowout. Coming the falcons by a field goal the saints by a field goal. The dolphins by two field goals the broncos by two field goals the bucks by field. Goal the raiders by four points the panthers by two points they beat teams play touchdown every team except the jets for the chargers. You think they're going to blow out the browns the way they're playing they'll win. It's going to be tough. This is the worst part about being a guest on this show right. You get the rundown get your little email. You go do your research. And then max and stephen they get go first they take all the good stats especially max because you know my analytics guide warren sharp guy right you take all the analytics you take all the stats and now i just gotta come hit. Y'all with some plano football knowledge. Because max's right. Stephen when you look at the schedule when you look at the teams the team that scores the most points or the team that scored forty four times this year. It's not the kansas city chiefs. it's the cleveland. Browns the quarterback with the most three touchdown quarters is not patrick. Mahomes it's baker mayfield. Now we very well could see what we saw when oklahoma face texas tech when these two teams played each other over needs to quarterbacks played each other and they both just went crazy. But i don't expect the blowout. They haven't had a blow out in the last eight weeks of the season. If you're the kansas city chiefs no this is the team that despite what we say all the cliches you can't just hit lights switch. You can't just turn it on this team. Can't why can the kansas city chiefs do that because of the quarterback when your quarterback says this time the play. It's time to win usually. It's time to play in. Its time the win. But the cleveland browns are made in the way at least offensively that you have to be made to beat patrick mahomes. He has nine losses in his career. In those losses. The team average. The team is thirty. Five carries a hundred sixty russia yards on grow. What team better situated to do that. Then the cleveland browns kareem hunt niche. Oh and they also now have a quarterback who when called upon when needed to make plays when needed to carry the team. We've actually seen him do it. And so do i take the kansas city chiefs. I'm going to win hell. Yeah i'm not gonna sit up here and say to cleveland. Browns are going to win but it's not out of the realm of possibility that this is a close game that this game is tight going into the fourth quarter. That patrick mahomes may need some heroics in order to pull it out. The cleveland browns are different football team. They aren't the same old browns. I think juju smith schuster find found that out i think chase claypool seems the continue to feel that as he says stupid things day by day. The cleveland browns of different. The cleveland browns are going to come and fight. They love having their back against the wall. They love being faced with adversity and this year at least this year they've been overcoming it. Well let me say this to you ryan clark a couple of things number one. I completely wholeheartedly agree with you about Chase claypool and what you said and how you clapped back in and that was just a very ignorant statement so the browns spank you sit up there and say well. Y'all gonna be home next week anyway your home now. You already told me what the hell are you doing. You know i love played pool. And i'm proud to be a steeler. But i mean in terms of their out do smith who said that he didn't do any go retract. Anything he said and he had no regrets about why receivers embarrassed themselves. Damn good players bright future. Happy there with the steelers. I don't hear from them here them into anybody for the next year. I'm cool with it because the ignorantly come on. You just can't do that having said all of that ryan clock. Here's what i would say to you about. What you just highlighted about the cleveland browns number one loop pressures on right now because even though one would argue that they're playing with house money because nobody's really thinking they got a chance against kansas city. There are a lot of people like you who saying they do particularly because of their running game and the efficiency with which baker mayfield his play. And now that you've gotten that playoff win over and you've got your expectations of who knows how to respond to that. The other thing. I would say to you ryan clark and last but not least before i hand it back to you max ryan clock. I don't even know if you supposed to be comment about this. According to you last sunday you didn't even want to show up to work. You tweet to get up. You won't be available. I take you would be available. You ally out taking tom. All you know what to do to do business beyond my control not just showing up to work so you go sit up. He acted like oh. Maximum mr warren shop is stephen. Hey y'all got to let me break down quarter to you. You didn't even wanna short to work to rows your football knowledge because of how that was monday and that would go as ago so i'd have saw. Its four days ago. I talked to watch it. I told you i'd be watching you. Definitely i definitely like stephen more than real stephen freehill bay. Four days is a long time. All right guys teams to beat the chiefs with patrick mahomes at the helped me a lot can change in your mindset after four days. Take some time to marinate on things. I'm with you but honestly teams to be home has been there. They've had to rush for at least a hundred and sixty yard. So we'll see if the ravens can put up some yards on the ground. Sure is let's go ryan clark back here with us guys. Action jackson got us first playoff win and now he's going for number two up there in buffalo facing josh allen. Max i'll start with you you think the reigning. Mvp is gonna pull off the upset. I do. I think the ravens i think. Lamar jackson leads the ravens past the bills team that everyone seems to think i might be one of the poses. The biggest threat in terms of a matchup with the chiefs. I think lamar jackson. Pull the upset. Let me start. By saying josh allens improvements being great you know. Every year he gets better. He's entering mvp levels. There's no question about bills are really good. No knock against josh allen. This is about lamar see. Everyone thought that there were a couple issues with lamar. He couldn't beat good teams. It was said if the defense does had to play and you can't feed them and that's because he's a running quarterback he's got be become a better pocket passer to with we take those one at a time number one. Lamar jackson never had a problem. In good teams. Get a lot of good teams. He had a problem beating the teams he needed to beat the rothlisberger. Steelers you lost chiefs. He lost three times in all three. Make meetings the playoffs. He'd lost twice. That's oh in six games. You have to win and almost undefeated every other game. That's not a you can't beat good teams problem. That's a choking problem. Lamar jackson had choking problem period. And by the way. I've said this about certain athletes. I take pleasure in saying it. Paul george james harden clayton kershaw. Kershaw finally won the world series. I'm very happy for them. I hope and paul. George hardens trending in the right direction. That way. i hope. Paul george gets over it to lamar had get reputation. Earning it but he was trending in the right direction. Also guys the second. Half of his first playoff disaster was better than the first half. The second playoff game was better than the first playoff game. And in this playoff game he got it done against a very good tennessee team. That beat them this year en beaten of last year the playoffs to knock him out so he can win when the lights shine brightest. Now how did he win. Does he have to be a more of a pocket passer and everything just because no one who's played like lamar jackson is everyone is super bowl. Doesn't mean it can't be done because no one's had lamar jackson's level of talent and dedication with the defense. That lamar jackson has no. He can do it. Yes it'd be big on third down. He has to make some key sukey passes and he's got to run that ball and by the way guys. Hollywood brown's got to be hollywood brown. Not west covina ground. Or whatever is he's been lamar met some help. He does need some help but just because it hasn't been done before the guy plays like this doesn't mean it can't be an abetting lamar pulls off the upset. Will i appreciate that dissertation on. What could happen before you finally told us what you believe will thank you so much. We eventually getting to that point. Of course he can pull it off. He pointed my only point is is that. I'm just of the mindset. Maxed that when i look at lamar right now particularly in inclement weather that they're expecting to have in buffalo. I'm expecting that to be a factor. If this game was in baltimore it was under better. More ideal conditions similar to what we saw last week in tennessee. I would feel differently to be quite honest with you. Because i think that baltimore ravens defense is real but i also think that. The buffalo bills have been underrated in terms of the complete team. Aaagh and how exceptionally well coached. They are by mcdermott. We saw the progress. We've seen rather than the progress. That josh allen has made stefan digs is ryan. Clark is come on this in. Articulated was one of the elite receivers in the national football league. Six receptions for one hundred twenty eight yards last week. You know everything he's coming and somehow some way he's showing you. This is what life with me is. Light went kirk. Cousins is not the one throwing the football. And so when i look at it from that perspective i'm just of the mindset in buffalo on their home turf inclement weather with not much of a passing game bob baltimore. It's going to have to be the wheels of lamar jackson to really really pull it. Off in my estimation along with their defense. I believe in their defense. I believe in his wheels. But i believe against a team like buffalo. This particular season. I think it's going to take more than that to knock them off. And i don't know in those conditions whether or not that's going to happen straight up. I get where you come from. Max but i think that they were one inches. If the turf is slick year that could be a problem for defenders. Would somebody like lamar jackson running the football but it also be a problem for him actually running the football particularly when everybody knows he's going to run because you're not worry too much about the worst passing attack in football really throwing bombs away at you. I think it's going to be tight. But i think as a result if i had to sit up there and bet my money. I can't disrespect what i've been seeing from the bills all year long. You can't disrespect. I get it but is this a famous movie line like you keep talking about. What was it was the famous movie. boy said. look get the wheels. And that's what you get. Did he freeze. I think it up for bad throws t did. That's what that's what happens. That's what happens when you try to get hype when you lose you. The mike he got the movie line and any bounced. Yeah i did it because he did. he did. Tell us what movie he didn't tell us here in a go go with really colors. Ryan is tigers. Here go ahead. Go ahead go home. We know that jacket and here we go free again. Because you're trying to show that tiger jacket. Max you can make your point now go ahead even as gone a little button there that keeps freezing ryan clark that he got to the point about about about slick conditions. That's a real thing and it hurt. A someone with wheels right like was lombardo. Do put on ice skates. that's true but in terms of in terms of how that affects things. I actually would put my money on the fastest land mammal this side of tyree. Kill and lamar jackson over the defenders. That are going to be buffalo. Who got to try to chase him down. A also lamar. You're right about this. To lamar is going to have to complete key passes. The game doesn't have to be predicated on on his precision passing. But he's going to have to come through in high leverage moment and the question for me always was stephen. That's that's the reason for my dissertation as you refer to it in the beginning the question for me always was not whether lamar jackson had the town skill to do it whether he had the ability to do it under pressure could come through in the clutch. A young player. He had to learn how to do it but it appears to me he has he can make big time completions with the money on the line and my money is on him. I hope you're right. I'm rooting for but buffalo. Real man. buffalo's route to josh. Our josh lamar jackson and josh allen ring. One and two and total. Qbr since week thirteen. That's including the playoffs or the both tops in the league and that stat.

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Dream Continues

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22:50 min | 4 months ago

Dream Continues

"When you talk to a dell technologies adviser. They're focused on you. Ready to give advice on everything from laptops to the cloud and offer tailored solutions powered by intel v pro platform to keep your small business ready for what's next call adele technologies advisor today at eight. Seven seven ask dell. That's eight seven seven. Ask del. Tom brady brees family on the field hours after all over last night. This was awesome to see tucson's catching passes brady youngest daughter doing cartwheels over her brother and you'll kicking him. That's my life right down for breeze. I'm short it's the whole career felt like a dream and the truth is it always was. We'll get to that in a second but first we had the game to talk about. It was twenty thirteen. New orleans went antoine winfield. Junior forced the fumble. These quarterbacks plenty gets antoine winfield senior for a decade. And it's eight hundred junior the bubble that changed the game. Tom brady able to get in the groove and capitalize on it after brees never ever found a groove sunday zero for michael thomas. My goodness tampa thirty new orleans. Twenty bill plachy. Frank sola kevin blackstone around the home great to have you here when all said and done all. The focus was on the quarterback splash. He decided this game. Oh turnovers decided this game. You know the bucks needed just sixty three yards to score three touchdowns off air and overs saints headed headed when the full cook. Quick fumbled the ball. The saints were driving leading headed chance to win the game. Put it away right there. They lost and then breeze. Of course miss communications bad bad throws probably the worst playoff game of his career. But yeah this was about two bucks defense. Tom brady managed to win handled. The wind inspired the win but did not get them to win. This was the bucks. Defense and turnovers kevin blackstone. Yeah correct. I mean there's three ticks of drew brees. Were absolutely huge for you. Also have to talk about the way that the bucks managed the game with tom brady. They went to a running game that got them over one hundred and twenty one hundred thirty yards on the ground from two different guys so they kept they kept the offense of the saints watching them for a great period of time but that defense was absolutely spectacular. And you look at what devon. Why did with a two turnovers reverting to his running back in high school Go watch his mix tape from back in high school unbelievable. That guy was that was as good as anybody carrying the ball in the nfl yesterday so it was really in their running game. And let's remember when. Tom brady played for the new england patriots. They won playoff games because of their defense and kevin just touched on it. Devon white was an absolute menace on the field. Yesterday you can tell from the first snap. He just had an incredible edge to him and that defense came up with big plays. When tom brady was in position to take advantage of it he did at twenty ten. That turnover was used or twenty. Thirteen that turnover. That fumble changed everything because the saints were driving at the very least you get a feel. You're in pretty good position to play change. Everything and it was tampa's defense at did it. Tom brady is making his fourteenth career conference championship game. Just blows your mind to be able to say that the all time greats like throw in three or four combines to get to that number what is this tampa team right now to you frank. Sola well i think they're in terrific position. Because you know when. Tom brady goes to your team. And you can just see the way the team rallies around. Tom brady sets a certain standard for the locker room. And you see them out on the field. He gets mad at the rats. He gets mad at himself. He gets mad at his coaches. He gets mad at his teammates. All in the name of winning and look at the reaction to that team after they won that game. They've now won two road playoff games but their their attitude was. We still have one more to go just to get to a super bowl. He has a winning player in guys like that. Just raise the level of play of everybody on the team. Kevin black so there was a moment bought brady and brees were below. Fifty percent completion percentage yesterday and then brady was able to finish the game with the w and get to another conference title game. Who are these buccaneers right now. While they're they're a team with a punchers chance to take this whole thing. I mean we talk about managing the offense that means no turnovers that means being clean. That means doing what you can do and not trying to do too much. And that's what tom brady did yesterday. You look drew brees. And he tried to do more than his body can allow him to do at this point and then winning with defense you know. This is a funny team because the beginning of the year. we're like oh is teams really good. Tom brady has got something left. They were like this team three or four and then in the middle of the game yesterday. You're like oh. I thought they could be your maybe thought they were. It makes no sense so with the team. That down with a great yeah. This is a team with todd. Bowles is really solid defense and a hall of fame maybe greatest ever turner back in his last year. Who are hiding down the road. This is a team that had not won a playoff game in eighteen years. Then tom brady. Shows up in boone france right brady just list everything around him. And it's amazing to me it. He's still degrees the greatest quarterback everybody agrees on that and he's still proving people wrong. It is forty three years old not supposed to do at this age. He did it not supposed to do without bell check you. Did it not supposed to be able to lift. Tampa bay again. The first playoff win and twenty and eighteen years did it. This is a brady driven team. That believes it can do anything. And i think probably can who drew brees was and is for for his. Nfl career a decade and a half in new orleans was the guy that lives. He wasn't that guy yesterday. It's so tough it ends for a reason right if this is reportedly the end and he's retired ends for a reason and last night's game on a game unlike any in his career so far below fifty percent completion for the majority of the game and went on a little run late. But let's talk about his career in total. Frank i mean the end with the most yard second most touchdowns the hall of the the super bowl championship and the nfl man of the year. How will you remember. Drew brees and he did a lot of that community. He won a super bowl and used to look at the new orleans. Saints as a joke of a franchisee completely change and he had a remarkable career. I think for me the latter stages of his career and obviously he became a different quarterback. Much like peyton. Manning became a different quarterback but still went on to win the super bowl. I think that game against the rams. That's something that's always gonna stick out in his head if that pass interference was called. They're going to another super bowl doesn't mean they're going to win. But it kind of changes a little bit the way you look at him on the football field and kevin blocks on how you tell the story of breeze. I watched him play in high school a little bit when my days in texas and he was spectacular. But if you had told me he would be what he might have wound up being after last night or even after last year with all the numbers that he put it in fell. I told you absolutely no way and look. He came back from the injury. He proved everybody wrong. But what our remember. Most is a super bowl. After katrina i happen to be working for. Aol fan house at the time. And we had a videography down there who was in a bar when the clock struck struck zero and that bar actually looked like it was an earthquake with the people jumping around for joy for the first time in quite a while definitely never won before. I'm bill. we talked right before we got on air. We're going to need to move on here. But you had said it. What was their win. Percentage before forty percent with they won forty percent of the games before he showed up sixty two percent of the game in the twenty nine playoffs wondering rebel. Change the landscape entirely. All right we'll move on now. The latest on patrick mahomes. He's in concussion. protocol andy. Reid said he checked all the boxes yesterday and and they're feel alright with where he is. We'll get to that in the second. What to talk about. I in this one down. Call the any scramble on the play before. Orgy fumbled touchback. Let's start with the fumble. Higgins reaching out and kevin pants. He said after the game that the browns rule is to not stick the ball out in those situations but sorts of lebanon's healthy no flag the bowl inches before it propels forward if it go sideways. Is the browns bolt a three inch line. It goes forward like it did end zone. Tasty ball at the twenty. Did that one play. And the point swing that came with this ties. This game kevin black. No it did not decide this game but at the moment it seemed like it did because cleveland browns were so crestfallen over that and you know that their fans were this earnest byner over again but they came back from that tony. They didn't bow their heads. They they stood up. They got some more points on the board and they made it a game so no that one particular play which is probably something just changing now in its own absolutely. Yeah you got to. Because it's it's just Is paddock's good. It's not a fair rule. Thirty three years to the day of ernest byner the thirty third anniversary ours. Biter and yes. It changed entire game. I don't wanna be with kevin. I think the game was was over right then and there. It was a ten point. Swing remember the chiefs ramp. Came back down for feel go to terrible rule. Absolute trump who happen to cheese. Who did not recover the fumble. Get the ball in the twenty yard line. That's a terrible rule and also it was also targeting a shed that should be reviewable. Just a terrible play changed everything. Now that play you said it was over right. There clearly wasn't over because we had to patrick mahomes injury after that and that changes the complexity as well whether that point swing decides the game gets interesting. frank. I i want to ask you a question here. Between that and the way cleveland did their last possession on offense in the game plays twelve yard four minutes and then they punted the ball with four minutes to go please and i think the people of cleveland wanna thank bill laskey for bringing up that painful reminder of earnest byner. I actually thought in the third quarter when the status of mahomes was up in the air. I actually thought they were playing to slow huddling up after every play and twenty remember they use the time out after getting a first down on fourth and one because the play clock was going to run out. I actually didn't have a problem with them. Punting the thing was kansas city was gonna have to get to first downs and they got them one of them on a third and fourteen when heavy grain thirteen yards and eleven inches. Let's talk about patrick mahomes five-step protocols what's ahead for him and an independent doctors. Well now he's gonna clearance. Concussion is different for every player that needs to be set and the league is not working with an independent health firm that has determined the medium. Track time getting back is a week play but this league has historically struggled to get this right to say the least in the interest of protecting the player. What position is everyone in right. Now i well. I think they could win with chad. It's a very scary situation. You would hope that if mahomes isn't ready to go nobody's just going to force them into the lineup. Because of how young he has an entire career ahead of him. I didn't have a problem with the hit to me. That was just a football player. That was made. Seems like a bit of freak injury. Give kansas city credit. You know making the right place when they needed to without. And how about the job. That andy reid does. And also eric the enemy on fourth down. This team constantly goes for. You have to stop them. There are four down team. It's like they're going to gain ten yards somehow someway they don't care about going for it on fourth down. It's amazing what they do bill plachy. Yeah no. I just think. I just hope. The independent neurologist has a strong voice and his strong will and does the right thing. That's where the chiefs are right now because because they cannot win without mahomes. I disagree with with frank completely. They cannot win with what you had any not for entire game kevin blocks and while ted healy made the biggest play of the game with that scramble that no one saw coming his longest run. Thirteen the you know. The deal is that they cannot win with noon. That's not going to happen. They're going up against a really good team. And the other thing is that you know the cynic in me says would bill says and that's it somehow some way mahomes is going to be under center really good team. They're going up against the buffalo bills. Which i will remind you. This panel historically has picked against. You're all going to take a mute for what this panel is done in the last season's buffalo bills taken right now. We're taking a break right here. Cheddi minus six rushing yards in the last five years had thirteen on that play yet call to go for a fourth out when nobody thought they were even snapping the ball unbelievable we live with bonnie heady world. 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Nfc title game against san francisco when they lost. You can ever get back to this level again here. He is one win from the super bowl against tom. Brady at lambeau in the snow. Sign me up for that. Given blackstone it's gotta be aaron rodgers. There's no football player. i often. I wanna watch more. Sometimes than him uses a koa tree in motion and how about not only winning with his arm but also winning with his leg that little fakey having run into the run to the flag. The scored a touchdown. He's having a poetry in motion. I wouldn't exactly call that. I didn't have. It was quite. But i gotta get back. Gotta amber one rams defense right. I gotta give him credit four hundred ninety four total yards. That's the most. Any team has scored in the playoffs against the number one defense in fifty years. Thank you for giving us that. Bill stoppable aaron rodgers superhuman. I'm a believer now. I was waiting for that and it was flashy though what who gave it to take your points. We'll move on that. Lamar jackson concussion. Same waken mahomes and jackson. Who before the pick. Six ron johnson. One second like meal. The next goal go this one place changes win probability by thirty percentage points that is on the mark had been black in stone. So is this loss on the mark. It is a mark in the sense of us lead to quarterback and we praise horrible interception to have a forty yard. Touchdown run to change the complexion of that game. But this was. This was a team loss. And you gotta really credit the defense. I mean look at how. They bottled him up. They didn't let the they didn't let the ravens run. They didn't let our united saying the word. Love you guys don't love buffalo's defense was outstanding but those two miss kicked by justin tucker were were huge hitting the upright twice. Here's the thing about lamar jackson. Much like drew brees and much like baker mayfield. You need to be nearly flawless. In the plants. Aaron rodgers brady mahomes. They can get away with a couple of mistakes. The more was terrific on that drive. One bad pass changes. Everything on this is within. This was set up. I want you guys to know this. Look me in the eyes and nobody did this to you. I set this up lamar just so you can have a chance to talk about the buffalo bills unprompted and you refuse to fill flash key. Why are the bills so overlooked by people. What did they specifically do this weekend. To get to the next level well overlooked because they are so unbalanced. The i team. I think to have no rushing yards no russia's in the first quarter of the game but josh allen handled all the pressure he was he would there brought him the the defense most pressure on the mark jackson in his career. This is a tough coach bills team. And i think this team can win. Kansas city team can win even if they have mahomes. I think this team can win kansas. This team had on its jersey real cap in washington on his jersey. And you know the only team in the nfl if they had them the jersey. And you had josh allen step on being the two best friends anyone could have right in front of us. Guys be writing slough sonnets. Eat them again. We move on by herself. Three shawn watson. The texans saw we keep hearing. It's worse it's being reported worse than you could imagine. What does that mean. We can imagine a lot. I mean without details. That means nothing but schefters report growing tents. Watson's played his last napper. Houston that really be through. Yeah i think it is true. Me from what i understand when i read on twitter and here. This is not about football he was. He wasn't this hopkins trade. This is about real life. It's about diversity issues. This is about social injustices. I think this is a bigger deal than football. And when he did. And when that happens i think this guys gotta go. I think i don't think he wants to don't think you can stand up play there anymore. I got sola. So you're gonna james hardie just signed a big contract. He wants to be on the move. I don't understand being upset about the gm. I mean that's like above your paygrade. I would say this symbolic coach. You're gonna. You're gonna call to shawn watson and make sure that he's on the same page if i'm used. I'm not trading player of that caliber. Not doing it given blackstone. But the thing about the gm frank is that it looks like it's an inside decision and someone who was elevated from a role that doesn't necessarily translate into being a gm. And so i think that the sean watson's looking around in he lost his best receiver they were. They were a team that had had a title chance last year. Were horrible this year and he's trying to figure out what's what is the future going to be. Now he's got a contract. It doesn't suggest that he's going to be able to move out of it. But that's the contract is one that could still be tradable. There are team. I mean the jets. The jets the rams. They also went. That's bill sealed your exit kevin could showdown next the. Nfl tweeted out the king. Junior's injustice anywhere the threat to justice everywhere quote today being related newest. Nfl coaching hires. The chargers and brandon staley one year to the rams lions and dan campbell assistant head coaches coach of the saints. Expected to be announced. Wednesday falcons and arthur smith. Junior he was the offense imported tightened seasons every enemy interviewed. Virtually with houston. this weekend. Gerard mayo with philly recently. Philly interviewing doc mcdaniels today blackstone frank guy sold up. We know discussion. It's the discussion. We had before last year the year before that the year before that as we approach the end of this hiring cycle kevin blackstone With you but doesn't sit well. I opened up my computer this morning. When i saw that brandon staley had been hired. Just look at his resume compared to arab vietnamese resident who by the way was drafted by the chargers. And there's no comparison at thirty eight years old. He spent much of his time at d. Three and and in college college programs a little bit higher than that. And we know eric muse records so i just wonder what's the deal. It seems like the rules always change is supposed to do this before you get to do that. In an arab enemy does that. And he's he is. I don't i give eric be enemy. His time is right now for me. The fact that houston is interviewing him. If you wanna keep the shawn watson. that looks like shawn watson watson coach. That would seem like the perfect match. Another name to todd bowles. Everyone says recycled coach. Negative thing. todd bowles can is a very good coach. He deserves another chance so that would be another name. I'd look out for the houston job. i'm not sure. Why is it always those jobs that okay. This is now a job that we're deeming the worst job in the. Nfl feels lack worse job. He's got the show seventy percent of players in the nfl or black two of the thirty two positions right now are filled black coaches and have you seen the coordinator's going into the conference title. Coordinators are black. Man doesn't add up kevin blackstone facetime. Thirty seconds coolness. Mlk day. i'll give you a cool milk. Day story about age. Wilson who start at the university of south carolina is now in the wnba and they just erected a statue in her honor on the campus and she looked at it and she said. Isn't this amazing. Because this is the same campus on which my grandmother could not walk and now hope and now it holds a statue of her granddaughter. Credit about that pretty cool statutes to the mvp the wnba last year. Thanks for your thoughts tomorrow.

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Total Decimation

Around the Horn

23:38 min | 6 months ago

Total Decimation

"All the possible outcomes. Nobody in friday's panel had seen low out. Nobody thought to look at the schedule. See it was booking years. Total landscaping scheduled. You all news for them. All right here you go there it is nukes for everybody when you realize you want landscaping from somebody for the rest of your life you want the rest of your life to start totally landscaping as soon as possible. Harry met sally new orleans decimating tampa. And i'm using that word literally because decimate means by back ten and it was thirty eight three the brady brees touchdown. Race wet radio. One brief high breeze up won't freeze up to freeze up three good nights. How do you explain a total landscaping like last night. Just in keeping with your team after the game shawn payne said who name these guys. Tampa bay the winners the media. That's not how we do things around here. Okay sided or in the field of play so and what was decided was emmanuel. Sanders was back. That's a lift. michael. Thomas was back. That's a physical and emotional lift for that team and suddenly they felt like felt whole again. And let's go see where our ceiling is. They haven't been able to play like that for about six weeks. I don't think anybody thinks they're points better than tampa bay. But you saw the game got started and you saw tampa bay's offensive line complete inability to block to protect against any of the saints blitzes and things just got out of hand. Go wait a minute. t and this is the tom. Brady's worst loss of his career he worse lost. This is about tampa is not about new orleans. This is bob. Bruce arians environ- left which not knowing their player after halloween. Half the season. They the terrible game plan terrible. Coaching didn't the ran the ball five times five times worse. Lowest number runs in. Nfl history so much for the play action pass so much for the starting to with a little dump boss trying to get ready to go long brady miscommunication with receivers. He was on on one page with the rest of the team. This falls into coaching staff and afterwards areas had the nerve to throw a little janssen brady for bad. Pass this and bad decision that why didn't months ability for this terrorist. Five you're putting default on arians all on the coordinators here for four games. Yes l. dunkin. How did leslie happen in your eyes. Listen because the bucks everybody had the bucks coast down ninety five or whatever interstate goes to tampa bay headed to the super bowl completely ignoring the check. Engine light conversely. I don't agree with bill. It doesn't always have to be about what tom brady isn't doing or didn't do. This is about the saints and vindication for them because just a few weeks ago we were basically saying the saints to be consistent with my car. Analogies needed a new chassis and it turns out they just needed an oil change and that will change came and of course not only their offense coming together but a vindication game for their secondary. I watched last week. Give up a seventy three yard. Touchdown drive in two passes to the worst passing offense in the nfl and the chicago bears. Are you in the market for a new car. It seems like you really actually am were chassis by the way underutilized word. Pablo join us. I don't wanna shy away from the fact that tom brady's quarterback rating was a gpa. That my mom would've yelled at me for three point eight. That was absurd. Really good reason. Why the reason he found himself caught in between a sad wrong antonio brown the crematorium and fantasy island of the nfl coney. They were pressed for time. They were scrambling. Tom brady was pressured. Nineteen out of forty. One drop packs in this game and so tom brady. We've seen this now from the buccaneers. They go as he goes and he goes as that offensive line goes and so as much as there are many factors involved here the fact that they could not protect. Tom brady who likes to go through his progressions and dissect the field and survey things. That's why we saw him as impotent. As we've seen him all his entire career based show. I know you focused on the saints part of it but you heard everybody talk brady. How did you view him last night. Right well i mean he was awful. We see guys do that. Occasionally but as bill said. We've never seen tom really sink to that level and i think it goes back to. We talked about antonio brown and none of us were big fans of that. Move its tampa bay. Thought they'd make this glitzy move. Let's add this team we are. They need to run. the ball. protect. Tom do those things better. And until they can do that they're going to more games. Latchkey something you and ed. Yeah probably talking about brady being pressured. Because they didn't any play action passes because he didn't run the ball. They knew he was gonna pass it the whole time. It's all game planning on. This brady never had a chance. There forty six percent pressures six for sixteen when pressured all right. I'm looking at this panel now trying to remember what we said in the last media. Climbs isn't here. I know that the idea than rush to bury drew brees is that now done and over with l. dunkin. I seem to remember the last time i was. Yes good memory own. All this panic about drew brees because he can't throw the ball and all of a sudden he looks like peyton manning in two thousand fifteen. He doesn't do that the last few years. What he does is sort of exist. Right with those middle of the road passes and a lotta slants and crosses what was encouraging last night to me is the fact that he did stretch. The field probably more effectively than we've seen in the field. All season long panic was just so unless for the analysis but a mute yourself promotion of some promotions. The mayday call you. But i should say pablo last word at the lord. Yeah let's not minimize michael. Thomas rate drew brees. Throw six different receivers. That's all well and good but the guy we call the best possession receiver in the nfl. He helps alleviate the problems when you have limitations on your now calla show. If i recall in the nfc you love tampa and loved seattle. We'll get to them. Both were roadkill last week. So let me go. Four jerk here new orleans team in the conference today of these teams. They're always very beatable. There's no chiefs on that side of the ledger. We're moving on now. The instinct glasgow college this week. Notre dame forty seven clemson forty. There's so much in how this game played out and the two overtimes and then add to it. The field rush pablo tori clemson. Now fully the number four notre dame moving up to number two or you can been named is the better team. I am convinced that they can be diversion of clemson. That does not have trevor lawrence in by the way that is no shade to notre dame because they put in this freshman quarterback who was the number one pocket passer in high school young delay and that guy throws for four hundred yards and two touchdowns so clemson is still stacked. It's just that what happens when you put it in the number one overall pick that version of clemson as good as notre dame's defense historically has been and in this game of course gave forty plus what that defense against that dude. That's where i wanna pump the brakes and say this is not going to be the matchup. We're going to see again when they possibly rematch in the acc title. Did you find yourself. Thinking notre dame was the better team. Saturday it no only on this occasion only on that field only without trevor lawrence. The odd thing about this is that notre dame which is kind of dipped its tell when the acc prior to this year went ahead and took a plunge to get into it this year so they could have schedule and they will face this team again and they will face them with trevor lawrence. And i think it'll be a different slope. Latchkey notre dame out rush clemson by a hundred and seventy one yards get doesn't change with trevor lawrence ian book. Let him let him down. The field against that doesn't change against trae without trevor lawrence and besides dj threw for four hundred thirty nine yards. Trevor lawrence just over forty yards once in his career. There wasn't much of a drop off their bigger this year. They're fascination with a different team this year they're a better team and l. You seem a little perplexed. By mr plaschke's there please. Floor is yours. I love the bill brought up. What trevor lawrence doesn't play. Which is defense. And i thought it was significant. As i'm watching that game remembering that by the conclusion of said game clemson finished with three defensive starters so yes they didn't have trevor lawrence but they were also missing almost their entire defense like this. I get it notre dame. We're so used to them spitting the bit that we wanna make more about them. Beating a true freshman backup quarterback than is necessary but this was a tall task for clemson team and they dang near lived up to it. I wouldn't feel bad at all the tigers heading into that. Acc championship game. and then. Of course what. Florida georgia is your college. Football playoff picture clear l. or not. I think this is probably what we expected. it's going to be alabama. it's going to be ohio state. Because they're gonna find a way to put the big ten and although we don't really know what the qualifications are for making it in with a shortened season at this point. It's going to be clemson and now. There's some intrigue as to whether it's going to be florida or potentially notre dame but florida's going to have to face alabama in the sec championship. They're not putting a two loss. Florida team in over a one loss. Notable this is my four. And i think notre dame winning this game just made a lot of people in gainesville mad and disappointed but the fact is i think clemson beats them in the rematch and therefore yeah ohio state alabama and these two teams in the final four in the show. I don't know that it's a given that florida loses that gamed alabama. I don't know what the toughest game is going to have to play before they get to. The gator well. You've seen Alabama have some problems earlier this year. Now florida's offense go ahead bill. Wait a minute twenty. How about oregon. By mentioned oregon. The pac twelve wants to join twelve seven good. It's plastic twenty points. Going into the break and into the field rush. Can we talk about that first. Name students being reprimanded by the university bell. What's the end result of all the pains. Me say this notre dame is the most irresponsible university in the country. This is shameful. What they're just following the lead of their president jenkins without a mask brian. Kelly warned his team before the game. He said he told them they were going to rush the field yet. Apparently ordering security didn't know or didn't care and let this. You've got call them now. The notre dame inciting virus. That's new nickname for notre dame teenagers and toddlers have two things in common and invincibility complex. It is not my toddler's fault. If she runs into the street into traffic it is my fault for not preventing her from doing it. Where was the protocols. Yeah i know every young kid who feels invincibles making the decision. Is this worth it for me. This is a special thing. Upset number one. That's great. the problem is like going. Hang gliding or going jumping evan airplane and being like okay. Sign the waiver myself but the problem is there are other people jumping out of the plane with you when the virus is contagious. I hope people always remember. It's not just about you. It's about the other people. You may stumble across accidentally so yeah. Enormous problem cowlishaw. I understand the valid reasons. College students have thinking. They're a little bit invincible. To all of this but remember they won that game because of a positive test for trevor lords and their surrounding the entire notre dame team after the game. Why don't you get all your players positive. So they can't play. That's a brilliant idea. You're taking a break here. Plaski and tori finding themselves lead dunkin talent show with buffalo bills. Is somebody on this panel finally going to talk up the buffalo bills. We'll see in two minutes. Hey it's your homie. Sorry it's your home. I know you don't like it when i call myself your homemade so i have some favors to ask you. Could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room. My floorboards are tired and other easy thing. We could save money if you bundled your home and car insurance with geico one more thing. I know you love lavender scent candles but could be try to. he should vanilla. I think it would fit my five better. For bundling made easy. Go to geico dot com. Today it's your apartment speaking. And i need some favors when you're seeing in the shower. Just try going up key. You're trying to be an alto when really years soprano oh and if you could bundle your renters and car insurance with geico. It's easy to do online and we could save money. And then when you read your murder mysteries at night could you read out loud. But skip the murder parts because i get scared for bundling made easy go to geico dot com today. What buffalo visit seattle twenty eight passes. The three runs to start. That gave and josh allen the near perfect game in buffalo defense picking off russell wilson twice those forty four thirty four. Have you come to praise the bills. Bill plachy or castigate seattle some. Mvp love off the wilson and maybe onto josh l. Please go ahead yeah. I hate to say this buffalo. But it's still all about seattle allowed the second most yards in. Nfl history after eight games. Terrible terrible defender offensive. Line is terrible. Terrible russell wilson to touch two hundred. Seventy two fumbled first time in his pressured almost almost half of his passes. The sea. hawks are a better team. They need to get their line. Act together now. I'm praised in buffalo. They had to right the ship or or the car l. Would say and get the engine going. Because they'd played badly for about a month. And i think they said it. They just came out. We're gonna throw all day on this team. They can't do anything about it. We're not even gonna pretend we need to run. And and i think they got back into the afc chased with kansas city and pittsburgh latortue. Yeah i wanna give you a ton of credit the buffalo for being seventy two now. That's amazing leading the afc. That's amazing but when your game plan. Is this extreme. Tony when your game plan is we're going to stick josh allens arm down the seattle secondary's throat over and over again. The most that ever been done in a dozen years of nfl action in the first half. Then yeah. it's sort of this game. Plan that everybody's gonna try to explode. I think going forward against the seahawks defense. Which is porous as tim said l. Go yeah man. I'm giving all the accredited brian. Daboll again we always make it about who lost like they knew what the weaknesses for seattle and they completely exploited. I think at some point in the second quarter. Josh allen had fewer incompletions touchdown passes like they were. They were absolutely ridiculous. Steve carroll said after the game he has no room in his mind for this game. And i'm like well. Do you have room in your stomach. Because it was a total gut punt. They thought getting carlos dunlap would help them. They they get getting jamal adams back would help them. It did not bubble went for wide and ran down their throat. We'll move by herself to dolphins thirty. Four cardinals thirty one. There's through a nearly tripling his passing in week. And there's the decision that kick from kingsbury here was fourth and one the miami thirty one to forty nine yard field over shorten. The game was lost because everyone had the same reaction. How kingsbury knock gopher this out here. The win probability kicking the field goal was thirty eight point six percent going for it was thirty point. Seven percent in some metrics was the right. Call seeing that the chain you feel about it to me now. I still think it's the wrong play. I'd go back a couple of plays before that before. You get to that win probability when he gets. He gets cautious. He did this good. Seattle gets very scared like he's got a kick it now and and they were able to come back and win seattle's game anyway. But you got kyle. Murray get a yard pablo tory. Yeah i would have tried to scramble with. Kyle murray with more scramble yards than any other quarterback in the nfl this season especially when they're two minutes left in two is going to get the ball in the back end but it wasn't an egregious decision. Just i think a narrowly wrong. Yeah i'll match all of your percentages with a number of my own seventy percent. That's his conversion rate is clip. Kingsbury took over the on board down. He's shown he has to do this in situations. I don't know why all of a sudden he went conservative yesterday to bubbles point. You don't expect that your kicker is going to miss by half a yard from forty nine yard field goal But still you should've definitely tried to games. Take some time off the clock cardinals. Lead the league in yards per game. Think about that and he couldn't get one yard interest off one yard. This is a kevin cash decision. At kingsbury made wasn't watching game. He was looking at the numbers. Bad call too week to flakes. Now you're ready to call him. Steve young drew brees. Go ahead. pablo tori i know. This is coming. Yeah i want to apologize to. As the only person who's beat involved ryan fitzpatrick and espn. I thought that okay. Maybe they were throwing him out. As an experiment he turns out to be experimentally. Awesome against the defense. That had shut down a week ago. So apologies moment is never too big for two. And it's someone bulldogs fan. I certainly know that better buddy but we'll move on. Fire pits dealer eight. No at the halfway point be last ten teams to start eight note. None won the super bowl. That hembo special that statistic the steelers did it every second of the game to beat your cowboys timmy. Is this a win is a win here for pittsburgh or was this maybe concerning result presents. Are they going to win. As a way and i don't think they came to town taking we're going to have trouble running the ball. Everybody else's just crushed the cowboys run defense and and the steelers running back tonight. Fifteen carries thirty yards. They never could solve that all day. And that doesn't sound like a win is a win. Or have you the cowboys quarterback garrett gilbert garrett gilbert who is below benvenuti on the depth chart like this not a thing to be proud of the steelers by point differential warlick. A six team out an eight win team but they have an easy schedule so they may be twelve. Know what. I'll be having the same conversation about them then about how they're not actually as good as in the same way. I would tell a friend that if you've got a mysterious text from the supermodel telling him to send the credit card number. It's a trap. That's exactly what this was and they live to fight another day i would be concerned with. Was the steelers put stop. They wonder clashed no. Nfl wins that you should not be proud of. This was a game. They could just come up. Two tough games against tennessee and against baltimore. This was a game was gonna obvious letdown. They didn't let down credit to them for hanging in there and winning actually Tell mr kelly. Mr tori supermodel Email waiting for them and their impacts right now. So maybe you guys. She can't wait to just go through that what we showdown slash dog visit. Hey i'm andy. I'm still not famous. But you might remember that. I started harry's. Because i was tired. Of paying for razors. It always like big brands. Were taking advantage of us. Every time they improve something back then. Prices seemed to go up. At harry's we take a different approach today. I'm proud to introduce our sharpest blades. 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The can't get one without the other. That's napa full synthetic and a platinum filter for just twenty two ninety eight quality parts helpful people that's napa know how no general states pricing sales price is state local taxes or recycling offer ends twelve thirty one twenty colts ravens. Had this marcus. Peters interception which was ruled nothing on the field but change to interception on review. Philip rivers was not happy about this decide. The game will flash terrible call but rivers just just mad about it because he completed warp passes at or behind the line of scrimmage. They'd be on line of scrimmage so this is on rivers yeah l. Yeah no. This happened with seven minutes left in the third quarter. They had time to recover. But this yet again proves that what is actually a catch and the. Nfl's one of the great mysteries. Who is jack. The ripper jimmy hoffa what the heck is an actual catch in the end. If it was in fact an interception then it would be fumble when he lost the ball going that right and they wouldn't that be the case didn't get that one we'll move on showdown to is virginia tech icing the kicker only to have blocking the kick and returning it for a game winning touchdown call back and losing after that. Are you seeing official end. I e the kicker strategy. No it won't be someone will choose to do it despite analytic saying it doesn't matter especially after this they then does liberty pick up an additional eight yards making it an easier field goal. Kick for their kicker. I bet you wish they could hugh freeze time. And if teams timeouts. They're going to use. Keep using them. And i think it works a lot of times. I get watching the games. I get iced. when is i personally feel. Thank you very much for admitting that. Mr bill flash ski and i heard your woody page level joke. You freeze it out from newstalk at thirty seconds of facetime mill some love to giants safety logan ryan and his wife ashley. He got the game winning interception yesterday bringing smile to a family that less than a week removed from losing their baby at the store. You probably heard that. The trainer for the giants encouraged his wife to go to the hospital because she was feeling stomach pains the turns out it was topics pregnancy. And while that saved her life they were unable to save the baby's life. I just wanna tell them someone who is eight and a half months pregnant. Don't take this for granted. And i'm praying for your family. Thank you very much for that. Actually ryan family now. We say goodbye to alex. Trebek's been amazing. The outpouring from everybody here is one of the things that shared grief. We were just talking provides and why would always ask you to consider sharing your grief. It's okay to be affected by the passing of someone. You didn't know and personally and i have to say alex was so reliably there every night for me. Seven o'clock here. He was home now he goes on. Thank you very much for condolences to the family.

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Hour 1: Brady & Brees' Future Plans

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"Good morning it is time to get up with the Lakers late night. Showdown with the rockets goes right to the end. But we'll tell you why. La was the big loser loser before the game even began lost Jimmy. Johns coach defense his quarterback once and for all who was in San Francisco. We've got the answer and there could be two huge spots fill on teams thinking championship thoughts and those decisions are being made right now. We'll tell you exactly what they should do as we get this thing rolling. It's time to get up with you. Starting right now. Jam Packed we are with plenty of football conversation today. Special guests on the way this morning and of course yesterday yesterday was the NBA Trade deadline and one team that stood pat. Perhaps against its will small ball was on the floor late last night taking on small ball. Here we go game of the night. Luberon and the Lakers taken on the rockets and their new teammate Robert Covington it's small goal for Houston and when I say that I mean literally look at the opening James Harden Versavel McGee. I like it. Here's the thing Greenie teams almost one. He always wanted tip wasps. Javale McGee would never have live that day. But it was a game filled with those kinds of Mitch Masters. Look at Anthony Davis and Eric Gordon. Yes sixth reverse. Six ten. The Lakers had a plus twenty two point advantage in the paint last week. And and and you would think would be an even bigger advantage that look at this one here once again that size disparity is just remarkable. Where does stills? Pj Tucker you need them on the block and the score however we'll be tied at sixty three at the half because the rockets that make threes in a going to the basket third quarter DJ. Lebron Lebron Ron James. He's not going to be in the contest but that is his entry. He had eighteen points. Fifteen boards nine fifteen assists. Excuse me nine. Boards Lakers up three here. We go a good game late in the third rockets up one Russell. Westbrook wants to attack Transition Russell. Westbrook that's how he builds up a steam forty one points last night for rust putting on a show Wpro late in the third here and this is a he had hands up saw the veil westbrook route sixteen third along. AW FOURTH QUARTER LAKERS DOWN TO LEBRON throw it up throws it down in the pace of the game starts to slow down and you get the Houston Rockets in the half court set you continually throw the ball down. Low thirty two and thirteen for Anthony Davis late in the fourth rockets down by walling it. They're gonNA swing it Erik Gordon. He's got it rockets back on top two. So that's a question to the Lakers. have an answer. Anthony Davis YOU'RE GONNA get somebody six five. Why are you shooting fadeaway? Jump Shot Robert Covington. Great job come from the weak side of the block. It pound them down low punishment. Have you been doing the whole game. Maybe COVINGTON definitely made his presence felt as he's a new member of the rockets and then he does it on the offensive end as well. You're GonNa let him shoot that. He's got a knock it down a corner. Three rockets extend their lead and events laws at two and a half to play rockets. Up for Westbrook. Again you mentioned that he had forty one. That's his game. He's starting to get to the rim. He finds that rhythm he starts making shots shots from the outside and Robert. COVINGTON and rockets outscored the Lakers by thirty from three point. Range and small ball wins on the road. Anytime you try some different. These guys got to believe in it and this helps helps a lot because you go here you coming here and you get spanked and we're all little as like oh you know. Maybe we can't do this but so there are fired up and we'll keep trying and and so it helps a lot more than we just. I mean obviously height wise but heart. He's individual Hartson about. It's tough because you have to. You Know Oh control you know Russ ability into the paint what she did a lot tonight but also control their their perimeter shooting and we didn't do a very good job of both so look. Here's the difference. Three is more than two so while the rockets and their small ball lose the battle. Download their scored twenty two points in the paint. As I mentioned they outscored score than by thirty from three point range and it adds up to a win so dj you heard Dantonio saying there and this is sort of a referendum on this small ball. Will this work where it's GonNa work if they can make lay ups. The opposition makes a few layups. But like you said outscore the team by thirty points from the three point line. That's where small ball works when you out. Shoot your opponent from three point. Land that dramatically. You're going to win a lot of games now. When a playoff comes they will set the game slows down? Then you know you're going to be able to take advantage of those guys in the pain so this is not a recipe for success in the playoffs when teams instead instead of playing. You're on the second night of a back to back. You'll have time to prepare for this. What I'm saying? It's not a recipe to win a championship. You're going to win some games. But in the long haul they're not GonNa win a championship in a seven game. Series team is going to get that Scott Report and when you get a chance to go against a team like the Houston Rockets back to back to back to back to get a chance to focus on my new show the game which you can take away those three point shots in the regular season though it will work that said in the analytics is not just sort of a logical progression of where we've been going to shoot. Three's why bother pretending you WANNA do anything out and look we're we're GonNa talk about this later in the show. I mean obviously last night Andre Drummond getting traded from the Pistons to the Cleveland Cavaliers. Let's you know that. This era small ball. Yes there is no longer people feel like they need in this game anymore to compete champion. Let me change the subject briefly because I mentioned the trade deadline. John came yesterday. Flurry of activity and as far as the Lakers are concerned. They're in arena. Rival the clippers make a big they get Marcus Morris you have on the Nixon the Lakers get nothing thing. I'm GonNa ask you this question. Did the Lakers missed their opportunity to win the NBA Championship yesterday. No no they did. Not and I understand that the clippers got marcus. Moore's there you can still get there and calls in the free agency market. I know some people may not feel like. That's enough Mr Damage. But when you have Lebron James and Anthony Davis and you still have this sides and you have the versatility of the defenders that they have on this team. I still liked the Lakers chance. I liked the chance to but I see the Los Los Angeles Clippers coming out of the western conference and went in the NBA Championship. And I've said that from the beginning Lyn Paul George Lou Williams Mantras Hera Zero. They have a recipe when it in. What gets them over the Hump to me Doc rivers to have a chance? That's the question they have a fan. Thank you with me. It's not gonNA happen. Okay I mean everyone has a chance no not really what I mean by this is was yesterday the difference difference maker which is to say had been had. The Lakers acquired Marcus Morris. Or someone like that would have been different with what we're hearing coming out of New York. Knicks wanted on the Lakers weren't willing to go. But a Laker seem Kim Kap strapped to a certain degree. I will tell you this though. I like Marcus Morris more than I do Andrea Gonzales. Because he's he's younger he's a guy that can score off the dribble and he fits in with that. DNA The NASD Patrick Beverley. That makes them different is a guy that can relieve a guy like PG or quiet a guard at the other teams best interested to hear you say that because anyone who knows dj Jay or knows him from our show knows you played with Lebron remained very close to the buck in a seven game series. To your point. The clippers may be better built for the long haul but it has seven game series. The difference that Lebron makes in that series. I still like the Lakers. I mean what. AD and Lebron's going to bring to the table is going to be great. But like I said and like I've said from the beginning. They get over the Hump Because coaching. And when you've been there in the NBA finals and you've had the experience you know different situations you know what to do right down the line. Okay we will talk more about this as we go because there's a lot of interesting stuff from the NBA. But I want to put a final ribbon on the Super Bowl here this morning because the coach spoke Jimmy Garoppolo as we all know took a lot of criticism after the forty niners super bowl loss on Sunday after missing some crucial throws late yesterday. Cal Shanahan was asked about the confidence. He has in his quarterback. Same as it was the day before the Super Bowl. I mean there's no different. I mean he was on his way close to Super Bowl. MVP and we all know we didn't didn't make those plays thin and whenever you don't make those plays at the end of the game like that first and foremost corvettes can get attacked and then usually the play caller so I'll we understand that's all goes. What did you think of that might ten about? I was a little disappointing disappointing. You have to unconditionally support your players. And there's a time and place to reflect in May and April May June. But right now your audience is the Locker Room Greeny Greeny and you have to love your players unconditionally. And have their back. And I don't think that was was he said there that you took issue with well just the fact that he he went on to say that there was options in those plays and the players were executed better. Well yeah that's probably true but there's a time and place for that greedy again. They just lost the biggest biggest game of the year. You have to support Jimmy Garoppolo. Barring something unforeseen is. You're starting quarterback. Next year your whole organization has to know that the head coach believes in him. I mean he did say that he did did say that he still believes in him. He did say that he was the. MVP that game through three quarters all of which is true once and for all because we have an energy here all week long. Do you blame the coach of the quarterback for the forty niners losing. Ah blame them both. And why because they're both at fault number one. I blamed Kyle. Shanahan don't put Jimmy G. in that situation now you might be saying. He's a quarterback he makes one hundred thirty seven million dollars. What do do you mean? Don't put them in that situation. Give the ball to your best players in situations like that. Here's the problem Greenie with with so many analytics you might be thinking well. It was the perfect play call. That's that run that you see which makes a lot of sense right but then after the running play you get to the second five and everybody's like October the perfect play call you. You have kiddle on suggs a perfect play call. Rini is the play that works so yes Chris. Jones made a decent play batting a ball down later on in the game. But I they have an issue with Shannahan pudding Jimmy D in that situation. Because he wasn't the best player of the best player Moster and it'd have been proven to be my. I agree with you in fact which is why I say I don't blame both. I mean if you're GONNA pick one Kyle Shanahan's job in my opinion was to not allow Jimmy to be the reason they lost the game. Jimmy G. we did the best he could. He wasn't their best player. You went down without your best stuff. That's why I put it on the coach and for him to say somewhat cavalierly. Well when things don't go well you're going to blame the quarterback and then they're going to blame the play. Caller is in my opinion to some degree. And Look I think he's a great coach. There's no question of that. And he did an unbelievable job this year but sometimes you have to own it fluid in that fourth quarter and I thought the play calling was the primary reason why exactly it goes back to the second five. We're not talking about second and ten. Its second five. And what got you to the Super Bowl as you guys mentioned it was he he most hurts. So go down with your best gun that all of that said Jeremy Fowler insider extraordinaire. There is no wavering. On Jimmy San Francisco Kyle Shanahan is. He's not lying there. I've talked to several people in the building. They love Garoppolo not only now but for the future. That's what makes the fourth quarter so surprising to them. Because I'm told all year. They loved his balance of cool and calm the laser focus. He'd be the guy in the sidelines. Joking around hey how you doing. And then he'd go out and play well two minutes left and so when it didn't happen they're kind of like okay. I don't understand now because he's done it all year. You're from what I've heard. There's there's really no wavering. On their options with him as the number one starter. And I'm not saying that you should waiver but you would have to have Jimmy G.. Glasses on to think that he was going into win. That Dole against Mahomes. We said this before the week Greenie leading up to the Super Bowl Jimmy in a duel against mahomes. That's not the answer now. Jimmy has to hit Emmanuel Sanders. Jimmy on the second an and five. It was tipped but you have to find a way. Hopefully you can get it their side on pump fake something but you Jimmy. D is good but Jimmy is not great and good is the enemy of great and he may ultimately become great. I don't know I think it's important to point out that. Despite the fact that he's been in the League along time he has started twenty nine games including playoffs. That's the same number as Baker Mayfield. It's only five more games than Lamar Jackson has started and we keep talking about. How young and new at all of this Lamar Jackson? So Jimmy G. has a long way to go and grow. Oh and hopefully will. I wouldn't move on from him under any circumstances. I'm just saying that wasn't their best shot to win the game. We'll quite agree. The reality is six minutes to go. They have the ball the lead to win the Super Bowl. It's six away from me. A world champion. Correct okay. So that's one team whose quarterback situation is set. Let's go to two other championship. Caliber teams was that. Have major quarterback questions because to legendary quarterbacks are set to become free agents this off season they are. Of course. Tom Brady and drew brees started New England. We're Brady seems very open to exploring the possibility of leaving breeze mulling retirement or perhaps returning in Orleans for another season now. Brady has been a staple of the Patriots Patriots for Twenty Years Twenty seasons. The most by any quarterback ever with a single team is worth a note that no player in NFL history has ever changed teams after eighteen years with their original tea so we have spent a lot of time. Talking about where Brady may go. I gave you five places yesterday. I thought he could go to win the Super Bowl. Well we haven't spent spent a lot of time talking about is if Brady does leave the Patriots. I don't think they're thinking retired. All down and rebuild. They have to have an answer at quarterback immediately. Mike Tannenbaum Alabama. If you're sitting in that building right now what's your plan if Brady's leaving are they go sign Andy Dalton. I work with coach Bell. Check twice both in Cleveland and at the jets you have to process information mation. Andy Dalton has completed sixty two percents passes as career at. I'll tell you something else it's interesting. Aj Green is a free agent. So if you're the New England patriots you could potentially go get any Dalton. WHO's a solid? NFL starting quarterback and you could sign EJ green. And now you try to fix the big gap wide receiver. The the injury concerns with green other things that would hesitate. I I love the idea. Otherwise Acho who watch your New England. Be doing a quarterback. Brady's leaving to me. It's simple. You find a way to get Matthew Stafford effort. That's that's the move because you need a quarterback who's incredibly an extremely talented and Matthew Stafford for a decade now. It's been one of the most talented quarterbacks in the NFL. What does Stafford Latte? What do people question staffers ability to win? So now you couple of incredibly talented quarterback with a franchise. That doesn't know how to lose. And you have a beautiful and perfect combination so you find a way to make that might need a bell. I need something I love this idea. And so I want Mike Tannenbaum you know the workings of this stuff. Is that a real possibility. Ability Bear in Mind Matt Patricia Coach of the lines worked for. I don't know if that's a plus or minus in this circumstance. Could that happen absolutely then to take us suggestion of moving forward. The draft starts at three this year. We know pros go to Cincinnati changed onto Washington. Now do the Detroit Lions Trade Stafford and draft Tongo. That's a really interesting scenario. That could play out boy I. I'm very intrigued. In Stafford is a lot younger than you think he feels like. He's been in the League for a hundred years. I think he's thirty one. I have that right Hembo someone to let me know a journey. What can you tell us about? What the New England Patriots think? Well from what I'm hearing. They're very high got him. Jared stood him the backup. Not many people have heard of him but he was lights out in the preseason to the point where they and moved on from veteran Brian Hoyer and made them the number two quarterback in his rookie year in New England. That's a very big deal that he's you don't crown rookies on a small scale so I could could see them still getting the bridge guy getting an antidote. Marcus Mariota to help out. They could play that Ryan. Tannehill roller stem starts if he struggles and five or six games. Then you bring in the guy who knows how gotta get it done but matty staffers in a couple of first round. Pick this guy cost you only amid round pick a year at Stanford By the way today is his birthday. He turns thirty two today. So in theory theory if healthy he's got multiple seasons left. He's a guy who was having a sneaky great ear before he got hurt last year. Not Good but a genuinely great season. Listen I think he's worth whatever it is you have to give up to get him if they could find a way to agree to your point. The fact that Matt Patricia Bell Check Each Other so well actually helps in in terms of facilitating a trade. When you see some of the guys that bell checks may trays with repeatedly? It's people that he's had a history with so it makes sense on a couple levels it has to check. Let me get to the saints piece of this by the way because we we have to talk about New Orleans as well so breezes. He's not going anywhere else. Brees has talked about either retiring. And we've heard about all the different broadcasting ask options you may have and all the rest of that or going back and playing another season in New Orleans. We'll see what happens if he does retire. What should the plan for the saints? Be At quarterback I like the idea of Teddy Bridgewater. Who has five starter and Tastes Hill? Who is a restricted free agent? So they could in theory retain at relatively low price and see how that goes. Maybe draft third a quarterback after that so the sense of very good job to their credit building depth at the quarterback position. So breeze does retire guys. I think they could go win. They they showed this year five with bridgewater and you have held behind them. I have to believe Jeremy Fowler. Bridgewater is going to be a highly sought after commodity on this free agent market. Yes his market will be strong. which brings us to taste and hill? He's a Unicorn and low key there are many people around. The League. Believed that Sean. Payton wants to fool the Mark Jackson and run the ball with quarterback full-time now. Timing is everything that breathes plays one more year that helps tales case for two thousand twenty one to be the starter because they are very close. Bruce get help help them. Groom for the next year playing more twenty twenty-five snaps a game aim. But there's a chance that this guy is a star in Orland sooner than later but that's remarkable. Given the lack of pass attempts. He had in his career to give him the full. Offense would really be a big leap by SEAN P. We've we've had so many people over the course of this season. Sit Up here on this set and talk about how Hi Sean. Payton is on Tatum Hill. Who We view is sort of Jack of all trades player? What's the word a Swiss army knife like? He does a bunch of different stuff but is he auto. If you had to bet your house on something would you bet. The tastes tastes them. Hell will ever be a fulltime. NFL starting quarterback. I'd say absolutely not and not because he's not talented because he does so much. I don't WanNa restrict them to that. He plays on special special teams. He plays at fullback. He played tight end. He plays in the slot and he plays quarterback I love tastes them. Hilas a change of pace back. I love Tasting Hill as the pay. It's the same thing with Alvin on. Kamara Alvin Kamara is the change of pace back with mark. Ingram was phenomenal. You know about it from a Santa's fantasy standpoint. I know about watching the tape. But when Alvin Kamara had to become the payson yes he dealt with some injuries this year but when he had to become the pace he was a little less potent and he was a little less vital to the saints so I love Tasting Hill in the world. He plays now. I disagree with that. The defensive coaches I've worked with in my rex ride Eric Mangini. They all say what keeps me up at night is a quarterback who can make plays with his feet short. It's really hard to defend so a guy that can throw tastes hill and take some hill is really hard to to see him. Throw it a little more than we've seen him throw it. But obviously Sean Payton forgotten already today. More about football law than I'll ever know. Let me ask you this because I've had this sort of whispered to me not spoken to me but whispered to me if breeze retires. Does Sean Payton kick the tires on Tom. Brady hundred percent. It makes so much sense. First of all they share the same agent secondly New Orleans has an outstanding offensive line. And if I'm Tom Brady. That is box number one. Can I be protected Sean. Payton's obviously a prolific play caller and from a personal standpoint. They're relocating out of Boston. Let's let's say it's Miami they move or New York. Can he get to that city without relocating the family. So I think the same screening is really intriguing does retire. I'll give you another bill. Belichick Sean Payton have done on May trades before in the past. They've spoken on record. Payton has about how he likes working with Belgium. Sign and trade. Perhaps they could get that going Brady ship over and get some picks actually a fascinating. Assassinating question does Tom Brady. Have a better chance to win the championship. Next year. With New England or with New Orleans New Orleans absolutely think of the threats thing of Kamara. Think of Michael Thomas. Tom Tom Brady. It's not about a hit lack of skill. He just needs. Help The saints have all the help in the world. I almost wanted as a rhetorical question. Plus you get out of Patrick Mahomes conference. There's a lot of things about that. That would make a lot of sense. I'm not telling you what's going to happen but boy crazier things than that you call them have happened. We are just getting started on. Get as we will on this morning. If you want to bet the House who would you bet to be next. 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I mean figuratively but in the case of Jay Williams what is going on speaking to would secure and Jaylo halftime swagger thoughts in the last night watching this in my glasses on. You know what happened vernacular of the day. I'm so proud. We're becoming more by the second. You have no right to speak on again. Because you were quarterback there is whether you do between two days and training camp. I played Gulf the blond bomber deserve the being hall of fame. He's absolutely a hall of fame. Respect on that man's name I have no disrespect for Terry bracket but I do think it's important to note that these teams they don't ruin haven't got scarfs simple. I got one word. Just kidding you know Melissa. Nah Is of course to work. Fine Fine Week. We've had it all began of course with the Super Bowl and a year ago today. The forty niners coming off the foreign twelve season while preparing for the number two overall draft. Pick they then became the third team ever to make the super bowl immediately following a season which they had fewer than five wins. The two thousand eighteen forty niners were not good. They had the worst turnover differential the league. They don't want minus one hundred point differential weighting ear and look stats improving immensely which results in them becoming the third team to make the super bowl winning four four fewer games to prior urine so that got us to thinking if we had to bet your house. Bet Your House on a team that missed the playoffs this year. Making the Super Bowl next year Mike Tanenbaum. Which team are you better your palatial estate in Boca Raton Florida to make it to the Super Bowl? It Tax Free Florida. Yeah the Pittsburgh steelers is Ben. Rothlisberger is coming back. He's going to be thirty eight years old. But look you can still make all the throws everyone says elbow reconstruction went well and people. Don't realize is great defense. They were top five young players. T. J. Watt Devon Butch meeker fitzpatrick at every level emerging defense ben back in the playoffs. Jeremy Bet Your House which team thing that missed. The playoffs makes next year Super Bowl many my lovely Connecticut Estate Dallas Cowboys. He walks them last year. They look like a ten win team. Dak Prescott is a ten win quarterback on average forty wins in four years. And that defense underachieve there are missing late and Vansh You know this is a a defense that can be elite that they get the right pieces in place. You Run Z.. Conduct Week Division filthy. It'll be all that much better so Dallas will take advantage. Obviously the big coaching change. There is the big story. I Bet your house who you got. I'M NOT GONNA lie to you green and I'm not GonNa you bet my house on these boys but I will choose. This ICAGO. Bears the bears because they have a phenomenal defense led by young Khalil. Mack linebackers that can run defensive backs with the ball hats and on the flip. Five Mitch Trubisky. Can you get him in order. And remember this Andy Reid in his pipeline have been to two of the last three super bowls. Think Doug Peterson. Obviously Andy Reid. This Passover Bowl Matt Nagy falls in that pipeline applying. I like the Chicago bears. It's interesting I I'm sort of scarred from that because I picked them this past year to make it to the super bowl and it just went so sideways and your fault. Green you tasty is able to sort of flip a switch the if you watch the way teams are winning now if you watch the way. Josh Allen is winning out here talking about tastes him hill. Trubisky is a better version of that at this point. It's not a matter of flipping the switch as a matter of a coach being adequate coach and putting his player in the best position to succeed. which you saw nagy do? Towards the end of the season I talked to some of the bears. There's players as my brother played there for four years. Matt Nagy wanted to have his quarterback that guy like Pat Mahomes. Put up those numbers but played a Mitchell strengths. And when he did that they won ballgame. But gotcha here's a challenge in that. Divisional own he may be the fourth best quarterback behind Aaron Rodgers. Kirk cousins had a very good year and bat. Stafford as healthy is still really good quarterback. So if I was drafting after quarterbacks in that division to me trubisky still fourth the fourth best quarterback when it comes to weigh pure passer but I think when it comes to a quarterback. His job is to galvanize team team team. When Games and distribute ball to the playmakers pure passer? I agree with you. He's behind Rogers. He's behind Stafford but as far as being a winner and helping his team win games. I think he can do that then. Anticipate things a better running game at tight end. Help not one time with more than fourteen catches last year Jack Acceptable and then the one team that no one at this table mentioned is the one that plays in Cleveland. We'll see what they were supposed to be the turnaround team last year. We'll see if they're able to turn it around. I didn't make because Fowler still mind. I would've taken out once again this year. We will have coverage from the NFL scouting combine at Lucas Oil Stadium. It's February twenty seventh through March first. NFL live reports that week on. ESPN AN NFL network will have their usual full coverage all our coverage is also available on the ESPN APP. So you can watch from anywhere. Let's go back to the NBA. A. J. will have about the battle between the bucks and the sixers last night the big guys and beat and onto Coquimbo and early on look at the footwork from the her all Janas. It's just dominating the paint going against Joel. embiid look at the versatility look at the footwork. embiid meanwhile really struggling last night. He was one of eleven from on the floor in the first half. We think about the books number one defensive rated team in the NBA. The Lopez brothers did a really good job of body enough Joel embiid and his body is body. Sailing with Greenie was horrible. The entire game the entire game. He doesn't look right does it look fit. He just watch the defensive effort here if you indeed want to qualify all of that from embiid. That's thousand. Well the mall this is this is this is what you call. Lack of condition might be leasing. Meanwhile Yon Come on with the spin move around and beaten. It's good and then a minute left in the half bucks underneath. and that's Chris Middleton no but it's Janas over over embiid the bucks at a three point halftime lead in the fourth quarter. The lead is thirteen and here. We go oh what a great pass. The Eastern Conference player of the month is each month in NBA. Yeah Jaanus Creek of entire season. Fifteen and now oh honest with a mean vase and he loves it Jaanus. Thirty six points twenty rebounds his First Career Thirty Twenty game and be missed twenty shots on the night the most I in his career and his team has lost four in a row trying to get back to the fund. Your Wall you'll small alot more You know the whole season. I kind of told myself You know I was going to be serious enough Everybody's look. I didn't know that you know long. I'm moody or on my knock care. I do not want to win. But at the same time you try to have a different attitude of hasn't been walking so got to go back to fund Jawad after Baloch they to any ways that I can so that sort of a conciliatory tone Charles. Barkley if you're watching the game on. TNT last night just went in. He said of the sixers quote they are the softest mentally weakest team that had a bunch of talent or the Cleveland Browns of the NBA. They got a lot of talent and they talk the talk and that it's J.. Will what what what is he trying to smile about and be what I don't understand. His team is only as good as the effort they get from their best player. This give me a single shot. Nikki give me a single shot. I got something to teach the world about angry about it. Let's go to the tape taken. Vicky right now go to the book the effort of the best player this turnover. What sold and be in? Ben Simmons complaining to each other. You're down on fifteen points. How support loose ball chasing down? But you know who doesn't look WHO's up by lose team points. Look who dies in the more for were loose ball up by fourteen points the minute nineteen left on the game. IANOVSKI leagues. MVP You know why because he takes the tone and tipple team plays guess. What else does all right? Oh we're up again by Levin. Take an easy layup. WHO CARES WHO in this game by eight or nine now? Jaanus is like that's not happening on my watch. What's been statements bowel? Go to the free throw line. Prove it these are. That's how you build a winning culture not by looking at your other teams best players saying what you turn the ball over so I agree with everything that Berkeley Shack these guys are saying. We've been talking about that for the longest time. This team is the most disappoint team in the league. I don't care if you smile. I don't I don't care if you joke around. I need you to get in shape. I'm watching the game last night. And he's shooting three after three after three three and you know what that means. He's not in shape to get on the block and do what he's supposed to do. I don't WanNa see this out of Joel embiid early in the game. I don't WanNa see ten three point shot. I WANNA see. You won't give work in the. This is what I wanted to go right and get the basket of gift of get to the free throw line offensive. Rebound this right here this. It's effort that's what I want to be. I don't care if he's happy or sad. Just give me put ducks I have through. Most of his career made excuses for embiid not always being in the best shape shape because I felt like maybe because of all the issues with his back and everything else over the years. He can't work out as much as everyone else has to rest. Or whatever it is is the time for that behind us just candidly not in the condition. He needs to be not because he had the hand injury. But so I'm injury run forever with a hand hired of the excuse skews. It gets a certain point where no more. I don't want to even hear you talk. Just played on the road against winning teams. And that's what the seventy sixers team is. It's all right. It's a mess. I mean right now in Philadelphia. It's a mess when you have Charles Barkley calling them the Cleveland Browns or the NBA. Meanwhile let's make Jay rules morning here. We go. You're ready for this because tomorrow we have college basketball's most celebrated rivalry. You Got Coach K.. And number seven do taking on coal Anthony and Carolina at the Smith Center in Chapel Hill. It's a sonic blockbuster six six eastern on ESPN and the ESPN APP. So you can watch from anywhere. Robbery spoke while. Hold everything just because Hembo put together a question for you this morning. We'll which which Duke player has the highest career scoring average against North Carolina under coach K.. What do you think J? Well who do you think it could be. I think I'm GONNA go with. Jj rettig okay. I was so hoping that the answer. The answer is RJ Barrett they. They played them three times last year. Really do you know who's record. He broke Jay really am thank. You would have been the answer things question. One which Jackie gets us to semi candy. Let's take a look at our Guy Jay Williams come on. Jay will take us through your experience. March third two thousand two. Can I tell you why because I wanted to go to school at North Carolina and I got turned down to go to North Carolina and then I met coach K.. And he got me to believe in something bigger than myself and I went to Duke and I took it personally every time we played against the tar heel baby. ooh Jason and Jason Man. Oh two six three point rain I I saw. Aw interview not a not a sexy cryer. I'll tell you a little bit more since they were running this on one of the ESPN networks. It was on on in our green room the other day and I was watching Jay Bilas interviewing you after this game and it made me feel so good just to see oh you two guys. But Jay's hair was spectacular and it was it was all right as we continue this morning on get up we have a lot to talk about including one player who got traded. Yesterday had some comments that really struck a chord with everyone on our set. You'll hear those and much more as we continue you're watching get up on. ESPN I I have to go to the gym and untangled my headphones while warming up on the treadmill and finally untangle them for miles later at which point motorcycles make everything exciting and when gyco makes it easy to switch and save on motorcycle insurance. It's even more exciting. I put my headphones and I realized that GEICO motorcycle. Recycle fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more yesterday as you were well aware it was the NBA trade deadline and the Pistons Traded Andre Drummond of the cavaliers. His drumming played his whole eight year career to this point in Detroit and he took to twitter after news of the trade broke and this struck a chord with a lot of the former players in our room this morning. He tweeted. If there's one thing I learned about the NBA there's no friends or loyalty. I've given my heart and soul to the Pistons and to have this happen with no heads up makes me realize is even more than just a business. I love you Detroit. And he went on to say a few things in there. But that's the part of this. That really stuck with us. The idea of loyalty and I'll show you're the one you brought this up in our meeting this morning so I wanted to give you the floor. I when you read that tweet because I know that really struck you. What did it make you think? Two things I feel for him and I feel mm-hmm meaning I feel for them in the stuff dude has been playing an NBA purgatory for the last seven years since he got into the League. Detroit the best. They finished in his tenure is eighth. That's the best though. He's been out there slave. He gives you eighteen of sixteen this year. Lease the League in rebounds doing the dirty work and then you're going to trade the man who clearly isn't the problem without Outta heads up it's to me. It's not just the basketball thing Greenie. I remember Jamal Adams with the jets coming out earlier in the season. And saying wait a second y'All gonna trade me and the GM and culture like everybody's everybody's on a trade bloc so. I get his frustration. I get his pain and I get just as pure pissed off and I get it. I get it. I've been on the other aside those conversations guys and it's hard those positions you're not in the people pleasing business. You have a responsibility of the organization with that. Said you also have the right to light people more than others when they've been around the Organization for a long time so I do try to give players a heads up if they had been there awhile to say within reason this could happen. We you have to do. What's best for our organization and when you go in the NFL from ninety two fifty three on those foul cuts? I always told our staff. There is something wrong with us that we're cutting we are firing thirty-seven people today. It should paint a somewhere inside even though we have a professional responsibily balanced. It's very hard so I've been on the other end of those conversations but I can see you. Were the players coming from. I understand what you're saying. And the notion that they could have given him some heads up. I understand all of a sudden. You're moving. You're moving your family. All these changes that come along with it but you know I'm thinking back back to a conversation that Jerry Jerry Seinfeld having and this is a long time ago when he was maybe the most famous person in America at the height of the popularity of his show and he had a girlfriend in the at that time they were in very much `Paparazzi following them around everywhere and I saw someone asked him. Does it bother you that. You're not able to have any privacy. And he said you know what I accept the totality of. What's going on here which is to say I wanted to have a hit show? I wanted to be a big star. I wanted this to be a success and I accept that this is what goes along with it. Andrei Germans contract is well over one hundred million dollars. No I'm not suggesting that that makes your life perfect but I am saying this is the downside of being in this business. Being a professional professional basketball player is one of the best jobs I could ever possibly imagine. The downside is you might get traded and that I think given that and going into it is wide open knowing. That's on the list of possibilities. I there are a lot of people I feel more sorry for today when people's backs are against the wall work wise. There's no loyalty anymore right. If you're Jimmy. Your back's against the wall to degree. I understand that you could have made a phone call but still you have to do. What's in your best interest to keep your job? You WanNa win right. That's one thing number two. I think this is a bigger discussion greenie because I think this shows that the NBA is no longer a big man's league. This is the era of small. All Ball it is Zion Williamson is a point is a point center. Look at what happened with the Houston Rockets and Clint Cappella. Sending him over to hawks but the League is moving towards more more versatile pieces and not Andre Drummond a double double. I mean he's like a wilt Chamberlain type of player to a degree. Not comparing him to you're saying rebounding a traditional big man. That is no longer the case of where we were going. Andre Drummond new for a couple of weeks that he was on a trade inbox. Because it's been publicized everywhere. We're trying to Andre Drummond women and he has to understand it's not personal because this franchise the Detroit Pistons has no other way to get better. They have two large contracts ax with Blake Griffin and his and his was the only contract that they could move to a degree. I guess what I'm saying is your player. You're an asset. You are sort of an asset of an organization and there were the way the rules are set up. This is very much a possibility. Here's what I'll say you'll say this clearly early unbiased. Because I was a player I am a player. I'm always pro player but where I disagree with your point. I don't think that anyone unless you've truly played the game can say and I hate usually saying that because it's the take you haven't played the game but here's what I'll say. Players money is not typically the primary motivation. How do we know that? Let's look no further than five days ago. The Super Bowl. Jimmy Jimmy d ninety five percent pay cut to play in that game to win the Super Bowl. You only get one hundred four thousand dollars. I'd say only deputies paycheck well over a million dollars of game checks drummond. You're not not playing for money so to sit there and say well he's getting paid one hundred twenty one hundred plus million dollars. He should be okay with that. 'cause that's not as motivation for being on the court there's motivation for being being on the court depending upon who the player is and that's a lot of players do play for bunny. Jeremy Jump in here real quick. So there's a dynamic that shifted here. The News News travels within seconds. And we talked about this. If you're gonNA tell the players getting traded you'd better be real organized and tell them well ahead of time but then you worried it's going to leak out and it's going to affect the deal because you got all these guys is it. Correct Mason on twitter is so quick from my standpoint. It happens within seconds that changes the dynamic for a guy his feelings. And that's why within reason you try to help lower the trade headlines coming up. We don't know what's going to happen. Dj's point you have very limited ways to improve your team in the NFL or the NBA. And sometimes you have to make hard decisions. But I think you owe it to the players players to Drummond's point of hey look in the eye and say hey this may happen because we have to do. Is that ever actually happened though. Because I know I've I've had those conversations and they're hard hard but that's why when you want the privilege of those jobs and you want the money and the prestige you have to look players the eye and tell Jamal what you're a great player but if it's in the best interest of the New York jets today we're we're GONNA move movies. There's only a certain amount of NBA players stay with one team. Their entire career about Kobe are talking about Jordan. But Michael Jordan went to the wizards right after retirement even D.. Wade need Mr Wade like Miami right at goes to Chicago comes back so you have to not take these things so personal and understand the overall three sixty degree of the business. It's just an interesting conversation. Comes up every now and again. We'll see let's talk about someone at the other end of his career the beginning end of his career Zion Williams and back on the floor last night. Pelicans facing the Bulls and look at him early. We'll look at the effort that he's giving on the Defensive End that's why Zion is so special. He doesn't need the ball always be effective. He gives you defensive Tomaso and he can block shots with the best in the game second. Quarter the PELICANS are eight and here comes ion. He's working. This is what I wanna see but guess what Green I wanNA see more of it showing off the handles. Dj's going to call for his play more minutes. We're GONNA talk about that as the show continues but just give you a sense of what he's doing here. Zionistic the free throw then he gets it back and he's GonNa Slam it home for reduced. Pelicans up ten points at the half. Third Quarter PELICANS are up fifteen. Drew Holiday. No Zion. Yes it just sort of Harper offensive. Rebound here's the best part about two hundred eight five pounds. He carves out ruined down the block view and boxing. I watch this Lonzo. Hey Eh Zion. Twenty one point nine of eleven from the floor grabbed four boards. And the Pelicans beat the Bulls won twenty five hi to nineteen. Meanwhile tonight our next NBA Friday doubleheader on ESPN and the ESPN APP. And you will see at eight eastern the raptors. They won twelve straight taking on the Pacers Acer's then the Red Hot Daimler takes Leeds Portland. Excuse me against the jazz our coverage begins with NBA countdown at seven as we continue. Did the Lakers lose their chance of winning a championship before they ever set foot on the floor last night will answer that question and others as we continue. You're watching Guetta on E._S._P._N..

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What's Next for Veteran QBs Brady, Brees, and Rivers?

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What's Next for Veteran QBs Brady, Brees, and Rivers?

"This just into sports editor. Philip rivers and the chargers have mutually agreed to part ways after sixteen years of the quarterback becomes a free agents rivers played his entire career with the chargers. There's going to eight pro bowls even planning to city San Diego and La in an entire generation of football fans has never seen an NFL without these three men. Tom Brady drew. BREES and Philip Rivers. It might be coming soon to a team near you today. As free agency speculation heats up. We jumped the quarterback carousel. So and try to figure out where these stars are headed. And whether they'll keep playing it all I mean times it's Tuesday February eleventh this is espn daily presented by Adt. Bill fantastic really yes. Spun Spun right into the off season without any kind of break at all riding at Super Bowl Energy Dan Graziano is an ESPN NFL insider later. Well Dan there's a quarterback in the NFL that have sort of dominated the league for what feels like forever with teams that they've been on forever. Tom Brady drew brees. Philip rivers. Ben Rothlisberger does feel like that's finally about to change. They've lasted longer than the most of their predecessors have lasted but at some point. Yeah we are going to have an NFL without those guys in it. Well let's start with the name that we are going to discuss a lot over the coming weeks a name that we've already been discussing because of his impending free agency and that's one. Tom Brady and never thought I would use the words. Tom Brady and free agency agency together but here we are. It's such a hot topic Dan that he tweeted a photo of himself. A Silhouette of himself at Gillette Stadium and dominated did all the morning shows before the fuel on the fire with that tweet of his silhouette walking in the tunnel walking dramatically adequately in black and white out of the stadium. This is about Tom Brady putting himself. I didn't WanNA little attention absolute. Tom Brady wants attention. You're welcome Tom. You now have have more. Sweet was a photo to tease a super bowl commercial. So He's having fun with it. He's making money off of it. You're right I mean people need to perceive this the right way which is Tom. Brady's free agency and I think he's poised to enjoy it and I. I think that means right. Let me hear them offers from some other teams. Let me envision what my life would be like playing for a team other than the Patriots. I already know what that's like. An Oh by the way patriots if you do want me back let's hear it. What are we going to do in terms of signing tight end signing a wide receiver? Making sure there's more offense than there was last year around me. People need to get their heads around this. I think there's a lot of people out there. Just assuming he's going back to New England that may happen but it's entirely possible that he doesn't and I'm not sure especially the fan base up there in New England has fully confronted. That reality the way you just described it. He's enjoying it he's having some the fun with the EU almost sounds like someone who is in a marriage for a really long time and is like a recent divorce say hitting the market and yeah just he wants to be wined and dined. Yeah I think look people say. Where's Tom Brady GonNa go? And my stock answer is. I don't think he knows yet. So how could I possibly know way down the line in terms of people. He's going to tell. I mean the chargers need to sell tickets. Wouldn't it be great to put Tom Brady on your season ticket. Mailer right I mean the Las Awesome Vegas. Raiders could be looking for a kick after five first round picks in two years. Maybe they feel like they're close enough for that. The Tennessee Titans. Maybe they feel like they're Tom Brady Away with their running game and their defense coming together. So you know I was just counting. I mean there's legitimately twelve NFL teams. That could have new starting quarterback next first year so the this market is going to be crazy. And there's no crazier part of it than the idea that Tom Brady might end up wearing a different uniform than the one. We've always seen him what. What was the recent history that led to this even being on the table? Well they did an adjustment to his contract right before last year. Early last year where it advise now. And he becomes a free agent. And they're not allowed to use the franchise tag on him so once they do that. Adjustment You know the alarm bells start going off and you start hearing Adam schefter after on. TV shows talking about the legitimate possibility that he plays somewhere else. If he's selling his house just traded selling his house and volleys contract. Doesn't that tell you something something and when we hear Schefter say it. Obviously we pay attention in terms of what's going on behind the scenes. You saw Patriots team this year. That just really wasn't At full strength on the offensive side of the ball. I think there's been some frustration on the part of Tom Brady. That more wasn't done. I think we've heard indications is that you know He. He liked having Antonio Brown on the team and wasn't necessarily thrilled when they cut him. Although they obviously had very good reasons to do that I think you know you also have the accumulation relation of twenty years. I mean there are people who've been around that organization that are that are telling me. Look I mean it's not easy to play there and you could imagine a situation situation in which Hey I've done twenty years. Maybe I want to try some other program where it's not quite so grueling. All the time the Patriots owner Robert Kraft left a couple of weeks ago. Said we plan to keep Tom Brady Do you think bill bell check feels the same way waiting for him to say it publicly right. I'm sure he'll come out and tell exactly what the plan is once he has it all figured out. Look I think yes. I think bell check would look at Tom. Brady and say this is our best chance to win next year. Because what are they going to do who I mean. We're down the road a little bit here but if Tom Brady leaves New England New England has to consider the possibility is going to sound crazy to their fans especially especially they have to consider the possibility of a rebuild. I mean they just have to because they they are one of the older teams in the League. They do need to add a lot of pieces and I think if you lose Brady I don't think you just go out and get what Teddy Bridgewater Andy Dalton or you're one of these available guys and just plug them in. Assume it's all going to be the same. I think you're GonNa have to do some. I'm building and to build on the fly for next year. Might not be as easy as it usually is for them. You mentioned a couple of teams that might be vying coming for Brady Services. The chargers Las Vegas. It's so weird to call them off because people keep saying Oakland are there any other teams that you think might be dark. Of course. Candidates are bill Barnwell mentioned after the Super Bowl. I in a semi trolling fashion. If San Francisco were to actually move on from Garoppolo hello. He's always been a fan. What are some teams that you think you might throw in there? That was great by the way we went ran with it on. Get up the next day. Yeah it was great. Look I mean the the niners structure their contracts in such a way that they can always upgrade at any position. They have an April first trigger for guarantees and that includes Jimmy Garoppolo so they decide that they can upgrade their then. And and who knows. I I still don't think they will. But they left himself that possibility because they do those contracts way. Let's take them out of the picture. Now let's think about the Tennessee. Titans are they all in on Ryan Tannehill Hannah Hill as their future. Or as a guy it's worth franchising. If you have to Franchise Ryan Tannehill for twenty seven million dollars and you can get Tom Brady for something similar to that. You got to think about going Brady. Don't you the bring him back. Derrick Henry got that offensive line. You like the way your defense is coming together. Certainly Mike rebel. The Titans head coach former. Amer Patriot knows what Tom Brady brings to the table as if anybody doesn't but he knows it firsthand so that's an interesting possibility. What if you're Bruce Arians in Tampa Bay and and you're not sold on Jameis Winston or you don't WanNa pay him what he wants? Hey Tom Brady look at the receivers. We got down here. We're not so bad you're going to really like like my offense. Come on down. Maybe give this a shot so those are two possibilities but there are teams making plans right now in secret that are gonNA come out and surprise us with their interest. Well what are they getting Brady though because this isn't a couple of years ago last season Brady ranked eighteenth in passer rating nineteenth in and QBR seventeenth and adjusted net yards per attempt. Is He that desirable for these teams. I think the question is. Is he going to be that desirable for one or two two of them right. That's that's the trick quarterback evaluation at any level subjected and. Obviously everybody understands Tom. Brady is and what he's accomplished. But there are certainly going to be teams that look and go now. He's going to be forty. Three's coming off a bad year. What if he doesn't have it anymore? But how much are we going to. I WANNA spend to take a shot on this and they're going to be teams that look and say you know he looks good to me on tape but he's got no one to throw to and the offensive line fell apart art and they had no full back in the run game fell apart so we can't really judge him on last year's numbers I would. I would be surprised if there isn't a market of some sort for his services coming up drew. BREES is one of the best quarterbacks in the league when he played last year could he really call it quits. Hiring is challenging. But there's one place you can go. We're hiring a simple fast. And smart and growing businesses connect qualified candidates. Coble co-founder Gretchen Hubner. You're experienced how challenging hiring can be after unsuccessfully searching for a new game artists to grow with their education tech company but then she switched Ziprecruiter and saw what an immediate difference and you can't to by signing up for free at ZIPRECRUITER DOT com slash. ESPN daily Ziprecruiter. 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Schefter reported on Monday that Philip rivers and his team have mutually agreed to part ways. which sounds a little like win? Paltry Chris. Martin broke up. I have long been a rivers defender. But he's coming off of one of the worst seasons of his career. Do you think he's likely to keep playing while we were talking about Brady and where he goes. And some of those possibilities exist for Philip rivers as well. I mean if you talk about Tennessee if they decide to go. The established veteran route short-term route rather than committing to Ryan Tannehill which is a possibility talk about Tampa Bay. If they decide they don't Wanna go go. All in on a contract or franchise tag for Jameis Winston. You know you're dropping from thirty interceptions to twenty so incremental improvement is good you go from Winston to rivers. I mean would would Belgium do it right if Brady left talking to people Miami at the Super Bowl like there are some people expressing a little bit of doubt like you know is a really going going to be a Philip rivers market. I mean he's thirty eight. He's coming off a bad year he doesn't bring what Brady brings in terms of cachet and in terms of championship experienced. Certainly but so it is easy going to have to go somewhere and fight for a job. He has what is nine kids. You know he he's he's been at this a long time I think he's gotta find find a situation where he's very very comfortable right now with his opportunity and that means opportunity to play and opportunity to win a championship. which is the one thing that you know is missing from his record? Drew brees unlike. Tom Brady and Philip. Rivers is coming off of a very good season. Though statistics I mentioned for Brady where he's been middling drew brees ranked ranked in the top three in all of them pass rating quarterback rating adjusted net yards per attempt. Why would he retire would just be if he decided he'd had enough? I mean that happens opens right. I mean that's just get home to your family. Look around and say you know maybe I just don't want to crank this back up again. Maybe I mean there's a lot of work goes into preparing for an NFL season. And I'm getting through it and certainly he knows this he's going to be forty one years old. I mean I. It's all over the map. It's a different situation though in that there's nowhere else he's going to go. Drew brees leave the retire tire or play for the saints that he's not going to go out and take himself out on the free agent market. He's made that clear in his public statements and he made it clear two years ago when he had the opportunity to do it and and did not when other teams were calling and expressing interest and he said no thanks. I'm staying in New Orleans. The last time he was a free agent. But I think there's only two possible outcomes there and I think they're both possible. I just don't know which way he's leaning 'cause. I'm not at the breeze dinner table. Well the saints are very good team right. I think that's it is it's it's sort of. They should be good next year. I think there are in amongst the favorites to you. Know make it to the superbowl next season. Let's say drew brees does retire. What do you think what they do at quarterback? There's a theory going around that they want to transition to. It tastes them hill as starting quarterback offense and try Brian. Do like Lamar Jackson style. Thing I don't I mean I think that's crazy. I don't know what you think but it sounds nuts to me because a taste some hills gonna be thirty years old when the when the two thousand twenty season starts and he's thrown. I think thirteen. NFL passes or something like that. So that's a theory that's going around out there and you've heard it as a possibility. They could resigned bridgewater obviously they know him like him. He won games for them this year. And then you know let's cycle back through the whole thing again. Who's going to be a free agent? WHO's GonNa to be either cut or possibly traded you're looking at Danny Dalton Cam Newton Derek Carr in? I think obviously if Greece wants to come back they'll have him and if not then they have to go to whatever plan B. or C. or D. is but a very unusual year where a lot of very viable plans B C and d around rounded the quarterback position. I imagine the taste hills. Speculation stems a little bit from their last postseason game and Roach. He looked looked better than dream as giving them more offense than drew brees but that also reflects kind of alarming trend. We've seen with brees where you know in the playoffs. Well he's been great in the regular season but has struggled a bit towards the end of seasons with the saints. Yeah and I think there was a thought that maybe that wouldn't happen this year because he had mystified justify games due to injury. And maybe he'd be fresher but you're right. I mean I was at that saints. Vikings Game Vikings want it and overtime. If Tastes Hill hadn't been in the game. The Vikings would have blown them out. I mean he was the only one generating offense and I think there's something to be said for the idea that while we consider the saints a good team and I think they are a good team. We've seen the offense Kinda stall out in key moments the last couple of years and I wonder if the key for the saints is to diversify and find that second really really strong wide receivers threat and be able to go a couple of different directions as opposed to just sort of trying to trick people with personnel groupings and then thrown at the Michael Thomas Anyway then a couple of years ago it seemed like these guys would play forever right. And there is also the sort of conversation about quarterbacks in aging and the way rules rules were changing to protect them where you know what we used to perceive as being the window for people to play the position seem to be expanding but but it does seem as though we've hit a bit of a wall. Do you think we're seeing. Hey maybe these guys can't play into their forties. Well yes yeah I mean yes and no I mean you say it seems like they would play forever they kind of have if you go back ten years right and you're looking at these guys in their prime and you say wow these these guys can play ten eleven twelve more years. That would have sounded like a lot so they've spoiled us. And I'm very fascinated to see what happens with the next generation of great quarterbacks because as I wonder if you're GONNA see not want to play twenty years any anymore because of what it takes to get through a season because of injury and health risks that the game presents so I'm fascinated to see what how many guys actually really want to follow in these players footsteps. Would you say this season. You know with the advent of Lamar Jackson Schon Watson Patrick mahomes Russell Wilson's a little bit older now Do you think it was a change of guard moment. Yeah I think so I mean because you saw obviously mahomes and Garoppolo and in the Super Bowl and you saw Lamar Jackson win. MVP and you saw Russell. Wilson certainly contend for. Mvp He then you got these mid range guys are ahead of these. Like what about Matt Ryan. What about Matthew Stafford? What about Cam? Newton like what happens with these guys. How long do they play? How long do they remain effective? How long do they remain? GEISE TEAMS WANNA pay thirty million dollars a year or two so you start to wonder what teams start to think about these for additional national pocket passer types in a mobile quarterback league and I wonder what the rest of the careers look like for the for the Matt Ryan and Matthew Stafford's the world and of course. The top two young quarterbacks entering delete next year JOE BURROW INTO ISLA are mobile quarterbacks of course I think when they talk about how they have trouble developing offensive lineman these days at the NFL level one way to combat. That has obviously put your quarterback on the move. I think you're going to have to be a quarterback that can move move around in order to play in this league the way the offense is going one of the reasons. The chargers are done with Philip. Rivers they WANNA see if they can get somebody there who they can move around a little but who they can do more things with one of the reasons when the giants in week two of the season decided to bench. Eli Manning for Daniel Jones was. They thought that Daniel Jones had a level of mobility that could allow allow pat. Shurmur has offense to function at a higher level. And that's why we're looking at you know. Is there going to be a market for a thirty eight year. Old Philip rivers in their imaginations you. Nations teams are picturing the quarterback position differently than they used to A. Thanks so much for this conversation Dan. It's made me feel very the old. 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Everything You Need to Know About Week 9

The Nat Coombs Show

1:06:30 hr | 6 months ago

Everything You Need to Know About Week 9

"Hello and welcome to coup show on espn gadhafi with terrific s. Coming your way as we preview week nine in the nfl leading us very shortly. The former england spurs strike at darren bent these days abroad cost up massive philly fans. So unsurprising talk about the strongest division in the nfc east We'll talk about a pack as well at the back of their win. Lost on thursday night. Football look ahead where the big game this weekend including those mighty bucks box saints brady brees. Someone's gotta give that. Then off the darren and i might call an in-house the deep dive on some of the other big match up spills seahawks. We'll talk a dolphins. Cardinals rattled through all the games. And very best to pick to get you set the weeknd. The nfl's coming up shortly but we're leading off with our our goods. Have you back home man. How are ya. I bet you wouldn't be at the start. The season be thinking midway through the season. Water the west philadelphia eagles teams had in recent memory as favorites for the nfc. East crazy season in that respect. Yes been crazy won't back division. I mean johnson washington have always been there for a while. I was proud of ourselves. Us in the cowboys. Finding out in los ni went down to the wire with backup semester. Get the playoffs. But this as voting. Because i'll say awesome awesome. Data's probably the all the best two teams in the division was a bit absolutely terrible. Ceo basically saying you don't fear the nurse to to bring it back for the cowboys. Nah don't some injuries. Those back the defence is a plan that well and even if offensively as the wide receivers catch too much i think. Cd's easter okay. Amar mission as. I said i think if we could put a baker it's just it's consistency together the division even if an plan that will well. Let's start with that. Because i want to talk about a particular. The packers as opposed to the game specific because it was not even a firefight with injuries. Forty-nine has had but let's start with the the east and start with the eagles so wanna start with a quarterback position because that going into the season was clearly one of the really interesting narratives with jalen hurts getting drafted. It felt cost and wetsuits played so far. And what do you think they would be looking to to make a change. If unless you're buying 'cause most people seem to be at the moment so i don't a load the question where were you on carson. I mean listen. And i hours after up off the exceptional season where we won the superbowl waco injured against the rams but since then he's kind of like to be back in the last season as he paid really well. Backups boston applause at the at the minute now he puts it choice. Way carleen succeed and then go take some of the play me holds onto the pool too long right throw away. He's taking to many hits so for me. I really like him. I did fear when when they jalen her considered a guy just giving money for excessive one hundred million contract. While would you bring a acute so high up in the draw of the wants listen. I'm still forecast patients where the jj. I mean jalen hurts of what she in college when news alabama and then he went to oklahoma and still wasn't so then save even when we took him out the while we have carson wentz goes down jan. Hus still a bit but listen today. Everyone deserves an opportunity. I stay with carson for now but listen it's to the vision. What can we really say but here when himself. That was himself. That's a great point. Actually that if few go on to win the division. And i think the way you're gonna make plays obviously to win the division given out by the division is going even if you go out wild card round that's whence with injuries and it's a great point you make that he's had to deal with a lot a lot of key pieces around not being that right. He's got keep the case. Go to keep the and see how they move away from playoff quarterback van. Because you more scientist he's going down now sean. Our again to do cups also right a little bit unfair to kind of criticizing considering what we've done but at the same time dirty label against mr is donning before so it should it really be an excuse to say we've lost company stars because if you look at nas season le decimates the an absolute how joe many colleges did. We needed to do so economies for the the same time. It doesn't play because the talk of the nfc because they were so bad so bad you talked about the super bowl run right. What i think often gets overlooked when a team has certainly made the super bowl. Usually when they've won the super bowl it gets dismantled to a degree. I mean the chiesa done very well and keeping pretty much everything in right from nausea and players get most of the headlines there right you see big names cashing in on the super bowl win and taking a deal. Elsewhere but coordinate. Coaching staff goes as well. How eagles abba been the same since. Frank right-left auditing you chief. This season i mean. I know the pandemic is terrible for for everybody for some franchises is coming. Maybe it'll be a blessing that have managed to hold onto a lot because for a much cheaper coming with exactly all the pieces that land back in the last season. Free as you as you said that since he's not really been the same I just funny is gonna conversation with one of my friends. And he said when he laid you what you want me to say. When i was riding high off the super bowl will be five. We've been nowhere near again. As i said he goes. Pre isn't again. he's an up once. The blame is focused off. The play leaves a lot to be desired. He's taking swimming. Need to trust falls down when she just and seventy decisions just coming on a that book fairness at the minute. come on. he's not coaching when ver-very well so i think he needs to simplify little open. Not try and get too clever and trump win the games. A good to a couple of games will look at a couple of games from the weekend. Slate the cowboys. The steelers about not a fair fight be that is the had scored a touchdown in the last two games dallas. I mean obviously. We know the prime reason for that. But you make a great point about data. I know somebody. I want to expand upon that. Of course if you lose your starting quarterback you're in trouble defense. Was we go into the season and then plays like vander esch go out and even weaker but they got they got amari. They've got zeke. Elliott's been paid. They've got heavyweight plays around and none of them are performing no listen. I don't think particularly that was planned that before the injury he he stacked incredible but it will of empty calories. Germany was from manila down game. Show me the stats. So where are you on deck so just to come in on that. So because of course. The big point of contention the dallas was. Do we pay. We pay the long term deal and yet mahomes is in a league of his own right but a more accurate parallel ristic. Tarlo is some unlike to show watson right so and he got not just the money but the long term deal not seem to be prepared to give that extra years debate. They can foresee the injury. But we can't actually back is a level below a player. Like watson i mean of in other. Because i hate the cowboys born and that kind of avi it i think is is an unbelievable leader. I think in that locker looks like he's the that they could of go to. I think when you look at these stats. They are kind of like quite heavy because that tends to go down big into other games and then when he is fighting spirit he was coming back on. I four hundred jobs. People go on that play well but if you actually break down never look at weight. Plays especially this season. He hasn't really played that well. It's all we need to make keith. Roads overthrown it. It means a couple of times so a lot. And i think they should have paid him. Because once you've got if you've got a franchise quarterback you need to keep them about. So i think with mahone jira. He's an illegal and if he's out a lot of key soup pump. And i think that's the nathan bought we don't white. It's on the. Maybe he was asking for too much money. But i would have given him to make him give a good deal. That was would have been as friendly. Long trump himself is a difficult one. Because i thought the cowboys offensive weapons coming out of everywhere as you said. Amari gallon of guitar down there. Zeke elliott speeds off the market. It's an it's obviously a knock on effect. Were cumulative effect right that if you struggling. You've got third string quarterback in. He was just totally in new job. Is that you've got a defense that is just not keeping you anywhere remotely closely into game. So you gotta be chasing the time and that's gonna run game quite get away from that but it seems to be the. There's so much i mean this must be music to your ears. Rep is so must such dysfunctioning. That is calling out the whole story about calling out the coaching staff and anonymous. That was that that doesn't happen very often. The nfl so this is could be a longtime as she for that if they could be week for a good few years by look of it. Yeah and it was last week. I read that apart in the plasco out along the coaching methods. And i think he in green bay played a certain system they plan. That's not working either but listen it's is one of them but you never hear the plasco coach of football darn. Let's to have a situation in really known that ready because no no not team publicly while the managers is still there cooling out but you know what genucel for that jerry jones because he allows the players to come to me the the coach out and go straight. What did you think that's been the case for. jason gower. yep guy. Way by probably the last one i remember jimmy. Johnson was the one who wouldn't allow that then divorced. We know what jason garrett who might mccarthy we don't really care say gastric jerry and that's why now in that locker repeat distinction because this is my respect. Yeah it's it's a great put. Jerry jones is built it that way. So with the cowboys. Steelers barring the steelers remained unbeaten. But how good are they pittsburgh fee. Because they are the best record in the nfl see pre balanced. But are they in your mind. The number one team in the league right now the record which suggests so Boston name they wouldn't be my favorites for the super bombing benz time really. Well the weapons got nice round balanced image. You know for me still have within the super bowl headed would be the chiefs. I think tampa which named me to say modding boever. I've never you can never count the saints out of the box. I think they'll be there. But i think the just coming back them weapons of last season. I think not to be. I guess what you looking at the all of those teams that connect connect heavyweight coaching. Right and i mean that could get really really critical when definitely tampa have that balanced to the chiefs. We know what that capable of even if they may be more imbalanced offensive germany's defense still a weakening but then they re out their offense even more obviously by improving the ground game such contrasting styles and coaching in that you know look at look at with top areas competitive tomlin but all heavyweights in their own rights. That is no the surprising. Because we know bruce. Arians elax james last season. Just go bombs away. Yeah it seems like tom brady is going to end. Khan said none. You wanna win games. And because i got to do what. Bruce says of many suppo z. As in many super bowls. I guess it sometimes who paid even if a coach to go you know what. Let me. just take a backseat of a tom. Brady kind of see what it looks like at the minute again. Them i mean james. Lossiemouth rule of touch donaldson love interceptions. The way mini. I mean weapons of go. Oh my goodness it's just gonna keep happening at audi. Moore's well right. Well how do you feel about the the antonio brown citing in particular. He's by no means the nfl player that speed in a bit in trouble off the field and There is a lot of examples of precedents. Have a teams that have given plays ostensibly second chances irrespective of what they've done despite what they've done off the field to say okay. Well you're rehabilitated. You deserve another chance to to earn a living. But it's divided opinion. Right people think This is not necessarily a comfortable fit. That he's back in the nfl. There's no debate and on down these attributes. I mean he's absolutely sensational. But when you try. What about way did when he was in. The state isn't what he did when he was a a. The raiders believe extent when he paid for the patriots for ben and he criticized that. It wasn't a good movement. Whatever reason brady seats devout for him living with brady. He's living his house. Yeah so i mean let's brady brady understanding and probably if you take a by of than what he's gotten a minute and you think it was two thousand seven when he had randy. Moss is probably the best receiving call they ever had in chris. Godwin who are really like doesn't draw anything mike evans. I humphry. She but he's still very good. I'd tony brown go yet. Oj how would truly weapons everywhere and when you add your brow like the the only reason. Why does it work. Because chris calderwood have that much different than so. Maybe maybe after a while they might go hold on what my catches the media certainly seems to me that okay bring on. We know gronkowski take own team. Flail still avenue these pieces around. And then you've got the brain and the mind of a bruce arians. Tom brady. They gotta take the defense is what away. They're going to take some be adequate. Brady of the bucks taken on the new orleans saints this weekend. One of the key matchups in week nine. I'm expecting points plenty. Michael thomas should be back for the saints counterweight for that one washington giants another game this weekend. You'll be keeping a close eye on right because well. That's a rival unnecessary. You're probably rooting for the time. I'm guessing but unless unless extraordinary happens you. One of the rivals in your division is going to get a game back in terms of the boston realistically the only other team i guess viably that could take take philly on for the division. The other john's debate the washington foot washed to all teams are. Yep i mean suba teams going head to read as you said you're right you look at. The division wants to five one one in seven. I mean there's no one of the planet in any of the division would even ever even us at three or four will give plows but because all division is so terrible that bush in any every team that division when you think buy still has a chance to get into the giants will. Don't think the washing more than the cowboys. I think we'll be us the fact we've only won three games. And then washington one to cowboys to giants. One is such a division. How'd you feel about people that say. If you have a losing record so safe philly win. Two wins individuals seven and nine. You should make the playoffs. Not paul heard that before because the other teams in other divisions ways loaded yet joe main like absolutely loaded offer me no if you division then. Unfortunately that's just the way it goes. I mean listen. We'll get to the get a home game anyway very. That's the case the hartfield the playoffs. But but you you have to play the right so-someone suggesting i think it's a. They had a photo of a guy that aware he which where he was but presumably somewhere in states sitting outside at a table with the side behind him and there was a chair at the table. So you can basically broke up and sit down. And the signed biden said the nfc east should send that old division teams in the playoffs. Connects me otherwise honestly over the best four teams. The one team gets. It's just an nfc. Stephen the playoffs no way in even if you look around the divisions i mean some people teams of great wrec was up to the nfc north pakistan. The band's jimmy. Joe mean seals in the west things. Division is like is terrible. We understand auctioning. This is if we get through then. What i'm trying to think of. Who would be the quarterback of an all. Nfc east team right. So would it be cost. Would it be donnie dimes. Would it be allowed. It would be the seeming is on fail so right now right anyway. A off these is is sixty dash fellow that's gloss who look at the fact. He bathed that incredible rod right. I look at the last the last couple of seconds just a quick one before we before we that. I want new york to win that game. Do you think they will in the in the giants. And i mean listen every team in its division and fair around for been decimated with injury and then when you look at new york giants and whatever lost in saquon. Join me now. The moment he went down finished. We're gonna do very well anyway but when you take him out at their team they were finished. I mean listen. I hope it can be washington. They will be no but odie was gonna do is concentrate on winning game as tracy their hands right just to quit on thursday night football and the pack is more generally because another massive game for davante adams off the last week where he carried the team again and although about a scanning had some scores in this game and did more than he did a week before there is a lot of focus and emphasis on the packers receiving core as there was going into the season the fact that they didn't take a receiver in the draft and they took a kind of similar to to the to the eagles right they took seemingly aaron rodgers a successor with jordan love when they could take an any of these receivers hitting the ground running and looking already like they belong in the nfl and then they didn't get the deal done for will fuller a before the deadline. Right which looked like it was going to happen and clearly if they were that close to the deal they know they need to strengthen here right. How much is that going to come back to haunt them because that contenders no doubt. But this is a win. Now situation with arm roaches. They've already got funeral years realistically could they could cost him for the which obviously did aqel aaron jones. Because he's obviously he's a backpack and catchable ronan super every every frenzy frenzy about one of the one of the first ones you mean eastern sioux probably gets double team. Is i catch. Everything he has gotten for me is quick by. Drop everything absolutely everything we know. Obviously dissolves coming back. I think that will be huge. You're our more dissolved. I was felt our mortgage. He's always have to do so much more than other quarterbacks like the times when he's had good davis has been terrible Points evans yet to say again. The organizations may be done a disservice by take for stars taking another back which i can understand to an extent because he has to one time as well that they did it with him yet all so he would understand that but i just think know that on atoms that he's a beast by the way but he's gonna get double teamed and even triple team some step up when you go over the line yet suddenly. He's he's at a genuine wasi one slash to yet but it just take the focus off of down but to do and again. Our voice is a great point. Just just the attention it gets as well. We'll just make everyone around everyone around more productive if they can catch the ball which about scotland seems to be struggling with listen. Great to catch up with the down. So i'm guessing you're staying coffee keeping the faith. Eagles eagles the playoffs but going out in the first round is always say seven in mind made the playoffs six veggie take it good stuff and of course this is can catch you across sport right. You're you're very busy amount of of that. Yeah on the On a tuesday morning. Friday often today and sundays evenings they go over on talksport. Good to catch up with demand and species in studio lovey stuffer darren. He'll be back on the show very very soon looking forward to that. Let's get things moving along quickly. Welcome back to the show the brilliant. I might cause my cousin. You are the hardest working out of show business because you have hotfooted footed off the plane fresh from overseeing the vote count in pennsylvania all the way back to blighty to do. I'll pick show. We really appreciate that. It is hard work you know. And and when you're when you're taking down. Tommy tuber ville on twitter at the same time watching aaron rodgers and the forty niners taking down. Sorry aaron rodgers and the packers taking down the forty niners. Jv team it's like it's a real privilege at three o'clock in the morning to be teaching. Tommy turbo the new senator from alabama about about democracy. So you'll play fair on on twitter as we were chatting about this just before we started recording that particularly this week or especially this week that a late night but the both ends thursday night football election coverage and i was saying how i was drifting in and out of sleep this season audio both in so basically having fever dreams about nick mullins and jared kushner which is probably a place at whatever goget. Let's get down to. We got a lot of gabes to pick. And you are you. A red hot picks. Last week was a tough week. And the funny part was i managed to salvage some betting respectability but but straight up seven and seven. And i've been having a good year up till then we ought to you the normal to pick. Think it a lot of ways. Yeah although after after you realized what was going on in the first couple of weeks you you then had an idea of which teams were better than which teams and it made it a little bit easier. But now what's happening is you're getting injuries and coat. Covert injuries guys. Who go on the cove list which is a combination of factors which affect the forty niners last night. So that made that picky. But you have to stay abreast of all of this and and it gets each week and there's always one week in the middle of the season where things go completely crazy and you get. You know a ton of results. You didn't expect those things will be back to relative normality. Let's start with one of the matchup so that we can for me the seahawks heading to buffalo and let's deal with straight away the obvious. The elephant in the room for the seahawks as far as bid is concerned that defense right and in particular that that pasta defense. The bills beats the patriots primarily by going to the ground. They didn't risk josh allen. Airing it out too much. But that's the strongest side of the seattle. That will the lesser of two evils. So how do they approach this game. Offensively thing well offensively. That's what seattle wants to do. Basically you know they want to play the run game and stuff you on defense. But their defense hasn't been able to do that especially though in the back in the back five or six. The patriots should have been in a tie. That game should have been in overtime. I and let it was almost like last year's buffalo game. What the patriots do is dare josh allen to beat them. They want to keep him in the pocket. Make him throw and and do that. You have to stop the run game. Which is you said. they couldn't do. And if you make josh allen try a beach you. I think we're back to the josh allen of last year. As opposed to the josh allen of the first few weeks of this season where where it looked like he. Was you know a much. more accurate. Passer was was was more calm and in following his reads and stuff and last week. He had no pass game literally. So you know. I think seattle can come in and if they look at that game plan at new england had i think they can probably do about what new england did with buffalo. And and you know last year. They were holding buffalo under seventeen this year. They gave him twenty four and that was too much for them to catch up with in the jobs out a bit more mike on your thoughts on. How josh allen has changed for the early stages of the season two now and particular. Why it's important to keep him in the pocket. He's a great runner so that that's part of it but what has changed. Why is allen. Started the season so well. Yeah they've had some injuries on the line. Which doesn't help. But i think part of it is that as as the season goes on teams. Realize that you don't want to let him from the pocket. He was doing a pretty good job of of of taking steps and resetting himself so that he would throw more accurately and now he's back to kind of throwing on the run and it's a hit and miss proposition which is really tough when you're when you're in third and longs or whatever and yeah i think if you eat you don't even have to spy him as much as as keep as keep your ends in their lanes and not not let them get beaten to the outside and then keep your inside people who who could be messing up the middle of the field. At the line of scrimmage right up seattle's very well equipped to do that. Do they ought to be able to do that. Jamal adams ought to be able to be robert kind of player in the middle of the field. They liked to rush from the outside. They've got linebackers who can cover the past the past pretty well so it really comes down to to having to To stop the run and the converse is probably true of buffalo as well. Although russell wilson can probably put more pressure on the book the bills are a very good defense. Keep containing things as well. You know. That's that's been the case with sean mcdermott in in carolina and and in buffalo. They try not to give up the big plays. So it's in a sense. You know seattle always even when their game plans working. They tend to depend on on russell. Wilson to bail them out in the fourth quarter. Keep a close and give the ball you know and that could prove problematic in buffalo especially if the weather helps the bills and i haven't seen a whether i haven't looked at a weather report yet but if conditions are really bad if it's windy if it's cold snowy could work in buffalo's favour make ground game makes it make seattle beat you on the ground and there i was gonna say their all line which looked so good two years ago at wembley it's not in chaos like it used to be the tom cable days but it's not as good as it was and and they're not able to run behind it the way the way that they were and they need chris carson at one hundred percent for sure which is a big question. Mark you alluded to the tight games that seattle plan for a lot of the season. It reminded me of a great tweet from will brinson in the height of the election night and into the following day. This is the world's longest seahawks game. That's that's very so mike. Pick this one then. The bills three point dogs last. I checked which raises. We're going to go. Yeah well now. i'm not holding. I'm not being held to to my column for this. But i'll i'll i'll give you what i'm thinking right now and and i'm probably going with seattle on this seattle for the which all right. Let's move on and talk ravens. Because i want to get into a lot lot about baltimore with the in particular. How the steelers showdown lamar jackson again. Because it goes. They managed to do that very successfully last season and llamas run to. Mvp they did it once again last week and of course he was pretty fast and loose with the bull but one of the things that they seem to execute very effectively was just shut down the middle of the field for the right and is that is that the blueprints a beating it do you think the advantage for seattle is that they sorry for pittsburgh. They can do that with their three man. Front which gives them that flexibility with four linebackers who do a good job of run stuffing and at at the same time they they can fill like the other game. Fill the middle of the field and make make life make lamar jackson's more difficult. I thought he might have been able to throw the ball a bit better against pittsburgh and have more have more receivers receivers open. But you know it's funny because avery williamson who is now the luckiest man in the world. A picture of it is jet scared. Haley cab i mean. You couldn't get out of thrones. I think he he got in the cab and said drive me to pittsburgh but you know he's a great fit for them and the funny part is mickey spelane who had six which was basically the the decide year of the the x factor in that game. Take away the pick six and it's the usual kind of point game But he also had eleven tackles in that game so that that was his best game as a pro and and now he's got a williamson coming in and eight will give them a rotation which which is really what they want. Because if you look if you look at the way they play they need they need their inside backers to be really active because at some point the outside backers are going to be rushing. And that's pretty much. What what they did. They stuffing the middle field. Now baltimore didn't have mark ingram but but you know dobbins and dobbins and gus both ran well over two hundred yards together. But but the idea was to was to simply get them into third downs. Were you knew lamar mostly was going to have to pass. But you knew it was going to be in his hand and then contained in control him and this is the book. I guess on on active quarterbacks baltimore run. The are designed run. Plays much more than buffalo. Ron josh allen but but the same thing it was the way you played cam newton back back when he was in carolina. You wanna keep them. You want to keep him in the pocket. You wanna make his decisions a little bit more difficult to give you time and you don't wanna you know with guys whose instinct is when in trouble to use their feet. You don't wanna give them room to use their feet. You know and make them concentrate and you know thinking about it. That's part of the thing. Maybe josh allen if you if you take those first tentative steps to scramble and then there's no lane few scramble you're out of your best throwing stance and unless you've got the arm and allen has an arm to throw with great power without his feet being properly set but when that happens he tends to be inaccurate. Not like patrick mahomes or someone who can who can throw on the run with great accuracy. Baltimore at indy. Wanna get your take on mima. Just one more question on the ravens. Feel that everything you've just said actually maybe supports this. That what lamar jackson maybe needs is a receiver. And it's easier said than done to find this receiver but a a hopkins style or maybe a decay metcalf style receiver that can get. There are many of those arrived at that. Point is taken with hopkins because right now boykin and Do vernay need you. Notice an awful lot but and sneed is the is a guy who can make living going across the field. Yeah and but he's not your greatest producer once once he does. I don't know whether it's they don't trust to rene or or boykin You know whether they're not getting open hollywood. Hollywood brown was complaining. Obviously because he only had one target For that short touchdown he's done hollywood. He's not talking about a say easier said than done. But finding lamar because of the points you just made that if he starts to towards in accuracy to have receiver that can contest jump bold style in a way that other receivers caught that safety blanket. And you know one of the things that we used to talk about and in the last couple of years when there's been these great crops of young steven's coming into the league out of the draft but we used to talk about how difficult to transition it is for wide receivers from the college game especially when you come out of spread offenses to the nfl game because in the spread offense is. You're usually aware before you start in college of what the defense is what you're facing and usually you can beat it man on man with not not much difficulty. But i think there's a learning curve for all these guys even in their second year when you run into complicated pro defenses. That are showing you one thing and doing another trying to life tough for your quarterback it can make life tough for your receivers as well great point. It's a great point. Something i want to talk about in terms of how People are getting into. Jared goff's had because that seems to be on the dolphins phased him last week. Okay sir cults. How are they might. I think they're pretty good. And this game will be interesting because baltimore is missing. Two of their line starters including stanley through injury. And they're missing. I think it's six defensive not necessarily starters but but rotation players including humphrey and you on because of covid. I don't know what humphry was doing. The others are all linebackers and for for baltimore. That means it's like pittsburgh linebacker maine's defensive end linebacker because they they use the guys to rush but queen queen is out harrison. The other rookie. Linebacker is out How bows out and you don't suspended presumably as well after getting adjusted right. Yeah the official humphry tweeted know. I've got the rona. When i first saw the tweet up being who is she. You know what. I don't know what he was doing. The linebackers room during during film sessions. But obviously something went on with those linebackers. So i think baltimore's defense is going to be interesting to watch and the thing with india's if they like many teams if they can run the ball. It makes their quarterbacks life a whole lot easier button based on last week and rivers was at his most efficient again which he hasn't been most of the season before the by was always at t back to back solid. She's getting stronger in any offense and their strength is their offensive line which is really good They got a reasonable performance from wilkins. But they really miss marlon mack because it does tend to make them one dimensional and he managed to find hines but they don't have a great receivers t. he'll hasn't really been a factor this year and i kind of thought he would was out as well. I think his knee this thing. Yeah well he caught a couple of passes in that game. And i you know i get the feeling that he's he's going to be somewhat injured. Yeah that's how he has been for the past couple of in and out you know. Never really hundred percent kinda like mike evans. But mike evans. Just kinda walks down. The field turns around. They throw him the ball he catches in what could of willful is needs. Yeah he goes on a streak and then he's then he's a bit of a crook. He hasn't hasn't practiced a week. T was he'll definitely be a questionable for so. This is really a really tough one to pick. Because i think their weaknesses play into baltimore's hands even though baltimore's so short short handed on defense So the question to me is does does the offensive line. Make things easy enough for for philip rivers to to take advantage of those missing guys and it's a it's a really tough one. Pack have to pick mike. By the way i was leaning. I was leaning. I was leaning toward india's. I saw the injuries come in. But the more i think about it the more i still like baltimore coming off a loss in this a game. They really need to win. It's a good. Listen if you don't want to pick that's absolutely fine with me. Just bear in mind. That i'm going to get the supercomputer on at some stage because they won't be afraid to make the big even if you know that's why i like i like on the sunday's when you put put me on the spot and i have to make the pitch because i can stop. Stop thinking about them. And i can just give you my my first reaction and and it's tend to be pretty good you'll like mackey mcgahn again in the laconic fill one for the money or whatever at school where he's a cpa baker. He goes to joins but she does shop in new york stoves for a while but loses his drop pins at games. Bitcoin's to make the picks the f. thinking thinking is is the tough part it really inhibit inhibit your Move toss coins. When i was writing the column picking all the games. Every week i used to toss coins. And what i would do was figure. What is my head. Say you know what my how my over thinking it. And what does my gut stay by my tail. So i would say okay. My head says this my tail says that. Then i'd flip the coin and go with whichever one the scientific. It's a scientific way. Exactly being a coin dr mike call. Phd alright at another tough game to pick then dolphins cards. Two of us is kyla to didn't have a particularly auspicious. Although he did throw his first touchdown kidding he he intercepted a pass for a touchdown. He returned humble. That wasn't him wasn't that wasn't that was defense. The guy threw for ninety three yards three yards. It was against the rabbs. He's very cutting yeah. They were cutting back to him every time he touch the ball. of course. Because this is all about quarterbacks nothing else but it was difficult as difficult entry as we suspected the nfl up against that rams of front seven. It's a it'll be easier because for the back of jalen ramsey went out of the game. But he's i pass attempts. Of course it was raucous donald. Hello and welcome to the league kid. And he didn't huge amount. What i'm interested in is talking to you about the south pole element and how defenses have to adjust to a left handed quarterback. It's funny because i wrote a piece about left handed quarterbacks for gridiron a couple of years ago and two was a freshman at alabama and i was going to include them in the piece but got caught as usual writing too much about lefties left handed. Quarterbacks are funny. I mean some people say that the the spin on the ball comes off differently. Which makes it harder to catch. But you know you're in the nfl you're paid to catch the ball. It's kind of like left. Hand left footed punters. That's bill belichick always liked left-footed putters. Punters because guys don't see that spin very often. But actually it goes back know the the old adage about running to the right still applies. You know the right hand side of your line is the run. I side with a with a Right handed quarterback when he moves out to hand off the ball the ball's in his right hand and therefore when he turns to his right. The balls protected yes. He's got his whole body across he doesn't have to move is audie. It's a smooth motion with a left handed quarterback to hand off to the right. He's gone to kind of turn turn more and if he's going to left it's the it's the more natural motion so the whole offense kind of has to run to the other in the other direction this. This really shouldn't be a big thing you know. If you're if you're a believer in the blindside in your best tackle is on the on the left side than you. He's not your blindside tackle with the left hand quarterback but again. That shouldn't be a big thing. And i've always thought you know the giants used to play. Michael strahan at left defensive. End not right. I've always thought the idea of your pass. Rusher coming in the quarterback's face you're not going to create the blindside turnovers often. But you're going to actually pressure the quarterback more often because he sees it coming and he's now thinking about the rush He sees coming as opposed to use fumble when when the russia's what he doesn't see but the rest of the time he's pretty much and so i think it's kind of overrated. I don't think we have to actually flip your whole team. Just because you're quarterbacks left. I think what's more important with two is that he's coming off a two years of rust. Not only rookie quarterback. He didn't play his senior year in college. And to an extent this is going to apply to next year's draft quarterbacks who will either played a shortened season or in some cases like trae lance from north dakota state. You know no no season at all. So i think his learning curve is is even sharper and i was a little surprised that they went away from fits given it fits could have done whatever to it's always i i and his week to be the minority mike. I think everybody was like well. It's an off the bye. It's the best time of the season to do that. If you're going blood any coach. I've been with you. One hundred percent. See the rush. All the dolphins at four three now series contenders for the afc east. Everything is is the bills to lose. I think it's the bills to lose. Although the dolphins are a tough team. And i said this last year you know florez assist in great job as a coach and the rams game which i haven't seen anybody talking about but i was tweeting it enough for somebody to pick up on the idea on sunday when the patriots beat the rams thirteen three in the in the super bowl. Who was the defensive defensive. Coordinator brian flores. They did the same thing. They speak lights ahead. Mike that me jason. Oc we're having this exact conversation. Yesterday said tell the tell the listeners. Exactly where you're spot on. And that's exactly why what they did to golf last week. Yeah what the what the patriots tried to do was take away the middle of a field Again and this is true with mcveigh and mcvay and shanahan. And lots of these coaches who who use the whole field tried to try to spread you out an open up lanes and you do that with what as generalizations called robert coverage they were lining up chung. On the line of scrimmage and dropping him. Back linebacker occasionally. They were bringing the safety forward but there was an extra guy in the middle field goth. Didn't know would be there when he and then you rushed you rush the hell out of him. You know you come at him from from all kinds of angles you you blitz. Often you try to hide it into may again to confuse him. And the idea is to confuse him and take away his his reads and then he becomes a very average quarterback has strengthened. his arm. his His weakness is is i think. Slowness man slowness to read and and not being able to stand in well under pressure. I guess it provides as well econ- when something like that happens and he's confused him for the last minute often from what he thought he was going to see. He doesn't know how to good a good point. Because i think part of that is that he's trying to sit sit in the pocket and get that read. He thinks is going to come open. Because the designed for it to come open when it doesn't it's almost too late for him to then starts scrambling around and running. And there's a piece probably to be written at some point about the stationary quarterbacks versus the mobile quarterbacks in today's great l. and i think the stationary ones are kind of almost dinosaurs on on on the way out. And i think you have to be better to be a stationary quarterback and survive these days and in the super bowl. Jason mccourty doesn't make that play on cooks in the end zone and it's maybe a different kind of game. But even if he doesn't they still would have held. You know the rams under two touchdowns or under seventeen or whatever so. It was a great performance and what got overlooked sadly from wade phillips as point of view since he's not coaching right now. The supply new england to and and mainland. Could you know he recognized that the patriots didn't have all that much and he kept it under under control for his peers. That will we all right. Dolphins qods leaning cards for this one. I'm leading cards and cards. Titans pads we got a route through the others. Because we've got a lot games to cover. Titans baz next The bears woes. Continue lots of chatter course after the The the mother broke caused. That was tokyo as often happens for national cost that broke his time with the players. And there's a lot of talk about nick. Foles said mike. Brian greasy that a play comes in and sometimes i think is the right place so i change it and following week you look how dysfunctional the baz. How big a problem is this specifically. Be the coaching the play calling. And how fractious. This offense looks the defensively. They're a good team. And so i think they can stay in this game and especially because tennessee. I mean they're running guys. Go jonathan joseph. Had you know in some ways a good game last week and got cut. He's picked up vic beasley was out and they picked up desmond king. Which means you know. They really thought their secondary needed some changes but but for the bears in and they they were putting mitch trubisky into run option. Ps like again. Like tesa mill. And i don't get it really you know. I think foles most bizarre. He's injured hours. Well hey maybe they wanted to a match. They call it a tyrod. Mike mentioned practice tuesday. We're going to. We're going to try you at linebacker. Oklahoma drills and see if you can tackle outta your they got it average but i like falls in the sense that he's willing to take chances you know. And that's what happened in philadelphia. you know. They had the big plays in in the playbook and let false throw the ball downfield and see what happens. And i think he's not quite so good. What if he has to stick to that to that man controlled kind of offense. That is kind of what chicago wants to play. But you see that. He's he's most effective when he goes to his best receiver and let them make a play. And you know that's that's true of a lot of teams now. This is a tough one because tennessee. You're on kind of tennessee tailspin. But they need again. This is a game. They need to win a division right now right now is kind of a two way fight as saying in my head. There's this voice saying and if they indeed both lose it stays that way this headed tail you pick it. I was picking tennessee. Stay with it. Stick with stick. The yacht chiefs. Panthers looks return of mccaffrey. Of course has done okay without having well. Yeah i mean. Carolina's been a little bit of surprise in that matt raw and it's a rookie. Coach has has them playing a disciplined kind of game and the game where they can stay in in a lot of games Joe brady has gotten a lot of credit for for for the offense that they've been running and teddy bridgewater is actually now. I'm not sure what bridgewater status is. I think you'll play but he was banged up. But i think phil snow. The defensive coordinator deserves a lot of credit because he only has brief. Nfl experience but he's come in from the college ranks at baylor and and done a pretty good job with that day. And i again. I don't think they have. They don't have the manpower obviously to to compete with with kansas city. Especially on the road Hey mike look as you. Were talking about teddy's fitness that i was just looking that up and i had a quick scan of the depth charges i can remember the panthers backup jay walker. He played a little bit of the end of the game. He rule coached him at temple. Which is why why he's there. Although he you know he had a good season or whatever you call it when the af folded after seven games in fact when we get to dallas dallas could be starting the other good quarter notion from the af and i think i think dallas could be competitive in the india says the alliance of american football. I think they could be a playoff team. Harsh harsh but the chiefs up. Its the obviously the only question. This is carolina cover. And i think they can always it upset. Game atrop- gable. Maybe it's our charges rate is next eh diese. The rate is of particular very difficult to walk out exactly what their level is. This is my or maybe. That's the point. Maybe is a eight eight nine seven middle of the pack crew. Yeah they played really well defensively last week. right and that made you can't say poor. Guenther came from cincinnati that he knows the division because it's different coaches and players. But they were able to to keep a the browns in check and offense. Although josh jacobs ran the ball well when they needed him. You know there was that sequence where they had first and goal with the one and jacobs got half happy yard on first down minus happy art on second down and happy yard on third down and they wound up. Gruden wound up kicking field goal. But they want anyway. I think the charges will be a little bit different for them because Herbert is a different kettle of fish than than baker mayfield and he's got a better set of receivers To throw to we can throw doubt he can throw deep and he's starting to get into a rhythm with guys like keenan allen. You know there's there. I think what you do with them as forced into the air You know and then and then assume you're going to to make things happen offensively. You know what gruden wants to do. He's another one of these guys. Like like p carroll who who wants to run the ball Cars in as usual has been kind of inconsistent. There was a moment where it looked. David carr decided he was going to become patrick mahomes and run the ball a lot. You know because 'cause that was there but that doesn't that's not the formula for their success. I think the problem with with that strategy that he doesn't have the defense that can shut shut teams down right and if home homefield advantage were thing for the chargers i would pick them easily but since the home field for them he was for them this season but it seems it seems to definitely on diminished in impact the season for obvious reasons ray. I'm going raiders. You leading charges right yeah. I am leaning charges. But i think the raiders are a better team all around okay. Let's talk texans. Jags next because jake loosen makes his. Nfl start say he's at the backup of course with gardner out. Well what do we know about it. Mike glennon was supposedly the backup but doug marrone said. Let's see what he can do what he wants. An odd way or whatever it is but there's an odd way to approach the. Nfl caught a glen. He's gone absolutely. Glenn can and can't do. What do we know about. Jake lewdness a good size. He's a good sized guy with a pretty strong arm. He's got a whole lot of chance to to show it off at oregon state but he's he's basically a late round draft pick. You know he he is he is what he is he's going to have to come is going to have to show that he can. He can do all the little stuff the quarterbacks have to do which is very difficult Especially if you don't have all that talent. I think you'll surprise some people with his arm. The question is what can they do with with. Houston can they. Can they protect him. Can they get a run game going And you know is a mess really hard now to decide what used in his like. He's surprised they didn't deal willfully because they killed the parents to the pack is now. I'm not dropped collateral. Yeah i'm not surprised. I would have done it for sure. Your gm is jake easterby. Now jack easterby and easterly. Whatever it is and i think he was probably more concerned with the optics of it. Ben the reality. I think he could have got a second round draft pick for no no problem and they need it. They need they need desperately but they were. I think they were asking for the packers to pick up some of his salary. They wanted a second draft. Pick besides that and you know it's not you can understand why the packers wouldn't pull the trigger on on that. Although i think the first time in that game last night that marquez valdes scantling. Aw way like cold stare so much that he had to turn around and not look at him for fear of killing him or something like that and somebody put up a thing that hyphenated right wide receivers have a big problem in the nfl jersey. It's they could've used. I mean fuller fuller would have been perfect for them. Would it be. Would it be a in. Despite that function the texans nevertheless i think so. Yeah it's jacksonville that got all right. If when we're betting man that would be a game. I would probably want to stay away for a boy. That'll cost all right. Three more mike. I'm going to throw the game out. You give us a line at the key matchups to look we have to but you can. If you want. I call fair. Falcons broncos the comeback kids of course the broncos. Yeah that's a really interesting one. Because they're both teams that can be explosive but play really badly at times. I think i think atlanta at home i kind of like getting win was good for them. And maybe they'll be able to settle down and do that. I think the over may. Well be in danger in this game. I'm gonna look at the georgia. The falcons making the probability of the fox is making the playoffs before this game. I want to see. It's probably around have point nine percent one point four percent. I would love to see them. Go run the table to make the playoffs. That would be Vikings lions alvin kirk. Lyons maybe matt matt matt. Patricia strategy ought to be to let the other team score first so that they can't come from behind beat detroit come. I don't know what to make of minnesota last week because obviously the packers run defense was nowhere and detroit's is going to be stronger right and i'm not sure about minnesota's pass defense although that played relatively well against the packers who have limited wide receiver options so this is one where i think. The lions could surprise people. You just kind of get the sense that. I don't know how to say this politely. But that that matt patricia and matt stafford are well kind of well matched pair in that. They're really good at getting down to the wire and then not crossing the line staff. It is but i but if you look back in his career that's happened along But you could argue as you often do. It's far more than the quarterback has the factor. Here of course. 'cause stafford cove which means he's had to fly to the game independent individually by himself and what impact that will have if any all right. Mike saving the best. Absolutely philosophy jets patriots. It really bothers me that the jets are only getting seven points. And i still can't sit there and pick the patriots to put a bet on that. I'm not sure enough about it. I just have to feel. They'll they'll win the game. It's hard to judge what the problem is. I mean well. it's easy to judge one way. Their offensive line has rookies and various other. Just two guys playing in it They have no receivers They just they traded risa afford from my handle which means they now have four isaiah's on their team which is bill belichick going biblical and ford is now also unless in kiel. Harry comes back but ford right now. Is the only receiver on on the team been drafted and he was drafted in the seventh round. So that that gives you gives you an idea. Jakobi meyers is fine is a kind of fourth receiver. Maybe my like him allopathy. He doesn't get open. Well chefs key is is gonna roll shatskikh and so i think they've got problems in matt. So so their offense really limited. The lines not overpowering enough for them to be the run team they they would like to be you know. Given given those problems. They ran the ball fairly well against buffalo but but they couldn't convert and the question is really cam and is it covert is it post. Covid cam just doesn't quite have enough because somebody recycling mechanical and those two things necessarily mutually exclusive. But exactly and you know. He certainly looked like at the start of the season. He looked like he was okay and would probably get better than he was out with cove. Come back and he's looked bad certainly not. He's looked like somebody who thinks that he's cam newton. But is and you know. And losing that fumble was obviously. It's it's fairly random but you just don't see that happening five weeks ago say So you know. I'm i'm impressed with the job. Beller chick is done defensively. Considering how many people he's lost both both to The kovic to the to the free agency losses in the off season. now he's had a couple of Florence guy doesn't play there and they're in a lot of trouble no defense. This is a game the jets can win. I'm probably picking the patriots simply because adam gazes adam gays and i wrote rufus isn't around second god. Yeah let's it was quite but you know when joe. Douglas said it's all on me that was to me. That was kind of like. Ken bates chelsea saying this manager. As you know has the full support of the board neil say goodnight gracie is actually will will will not be going interesting thing to me to just random fact. The forty niners cut dante. Pettis this sweden and they need received their another team. It you know has has a a dearth of receivers and and it's it's interesting. The way shanahan last night was so able to to get those guys into positions where probably even jimmy garoppolo makes more plays than nick. Mullins did although mullins was under a lot of pressure at times. But you know nobody's picked him up. Which says something menial when he got cut. Somebody put a sign around his neck. Saying if the niners cut me. now you don't want me. You know grey at dante beds so the super bowl thoroughly nice chap so. I don't like gary most get quite right if that's inevitably a slightly todd by by that rejection and this place just drift out of the league right absolutely car and then you never see them again. Yeah you miss your chance. Nobody picks you up for a while. And then you go somewhere where it's not a great situation for you and you know and and then your reputation is done. Yeah it's it's a very fine margin in the nfl and and this year you would think with all of the players around And all the players you need and with the expanded practice squads and stuff like that you would think more guys would be getting a better chance. But i don't know if i were. The patriots have claimed. Kirk merit off the dolphins. Practice squad He's raw but he's got physical skills. he's big and fast and pretty strong going for the ball but he played in a lower division Made transferred out and finally had success there And you know. I thought coming out of the draft. He was one of the best undrafted guys to pick up so i grabbed him off the practice squad just as a project but again. Maybe there's a reason why why they include sign him now. The mice call him. Patriarch dot com forward slash. Mike calls an f. m. t. because i'll be writing about the patriots and Be writing about the great her battery. Who died this week. The cornerback for the packers. 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Week's Best (Dak vs. Brady, Brees or Hill?, Zion Williamson, Mahomes/Lamar rivalry, LeBron James)

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Week's Best (Dak vs. Brady, Brees or Hill?, Zion Williamson, Mahomes/Lamar rivalry, LeBron James)

"Welcome to the weekend edition of the undisputed podcast on your host Johnny Taft. Today's podcast features all the best segments from this week sleet of undisputed with end up interviews and discussions. We have a lot to talk about heading into next week. Skip Shannon. Let's get to it. Cowboys appear to be all in on Dak Prescott despite swirling rumors surrounding Tom. Brady Michael Irvin added some fuel to the Brady to Dallas fire but later walked back his comments on the situation but signing Brady would certainly be an all time all in move for Jerry Jones who turned seventy eight in October. And obviously is it getting any younger as he chases a another super bowl title. Greg Jennings which quarterback will have a better year next year. Dak Prescott. Tom Brady back Preska out. That Prescott will have the better year. We already saw what he's working with the year. He's coming off of with the talent that was around him. Now we understand that Amari Cooper is not under contract. Randall Cobb not on the contract. There's some variables that need to still be put in place there to help support what he was able to do an established for that team and he doesn't have a contract with the Dallas cowboys. Let alone all those other guys. But let's say he does get signed by the Dallas cowboys which I believe he will. With Mike McCarthy being now at the head coach position Kelham more at the office coordinator position him establishing that relationship understanding the importance of having a relationship with someone. End The offense to continue to progress and build on that. And then you add Mike McCarthy who? We've seen what he was able to do with an Aaron Rodgers in the Brett. Farve those guys the his his resume proceeds him as far as being able to get the most out of those guys you can arguably say whatever you want to argue me up and down about Mike McCarthy but he's going to make Dak Prescott a better quarterback if this all works out and he is with the Dallas cowboys assuming that it will Dak Prescott would definitely have the better season again. We've mentioned it. Tom Brady is going to be forty years old unless he gets into the perfect storm. You talk about the chargers. Everyone automatically assumes that he answered Tom Brady and with the chargers in. They're going to be great. Will that is not always what the case is when you're going into a completely new situation. Situation Offensive Scheme of coal coaching staff culture. You don't know what the culture is and you have to now create that. Tom Brady being with the Patriots if they were to put pieces around him he. I think he would have a better chance of being up there with that. Prescott as far as his their their play but Dak Prescott clearly by far. Have the better season Major Boston. I'm saying it would be Tom Brady if you gave him the same weapons that Dak Prescott had we're everybody including crisper saw it so they were going to the Super Bowl and talking about next year about what he has. Because we don't know if that Prescott is GonNa have the same up to saying that that Tom Brady can do that. And we see quarterbacks age quarterbacks win if you put him in. The white situation has circles to hang. We saw any manning win forty-three year old. We saw Pai. Many who could bail was the tin man in that super bowl could barely move around and he was able to do just enough and not hurt the team but the defense carried them. All I'm saying is people last year thought with the with the Pieces that the cowboys had that will go to the Super Bowl and not only did they. Not Go to the Super Bowl Greg Jennings. Day didn't even make the playoffs because Dak Prescott wasn't able to win the big games that they need to win. They went to Philadelphia to division. I mean the the division right there waiting for right. All they had to do was go. Beat A DEPLETED PHILADELPHIA team. They will have quarterbacks wide receivers. 'cause they had nothing for Carson Wentz and what attack do laid a goose egg no touchdowns in a big game really like a playoff game. All I'm saying is not buying all the way into Dak and that's why Michael Orvin came out with this. That's why he went and put out there about people around the cowboys because they know with that talent base if they would insert. Tom Brady protect. Tom Brady and had the weapons that they have they would have a better chance to win a championship deduct Prescott. That's what you are running wild with this. Tom Brady to Dallas story they even Mike. Irving himself has walked back because they talk to. You know that God I look that Prescott is going to have the better year individually. Okay now I mean he's what twenty seven don't matter we played all. He's not gonNA get worse and Tom Brady. At forty three is not going to get better at best. Probably stay the same. Maybe slightly better twelve game. Also you tell me didn't. Wasn't Tom Brady to quarterback one more in the league. How great their defense? Which player quarterbacks better individuals season Dak last year threw for more yards per game by fifty four yards? We're getting more touchdowns better. Qb are better. Completion percentage. That's going to be the case next year. Now if Brady gets in the right situation maybe it's New England and they add some skill position players. Maybe it's Indianapolis Tampa Bay. Whatever the chargers he might win at a higher Clinton back. I think the cowboys will be good. But you'll probably be on. The team is really good too. So if you're looking at winning maybe Brady will have go further but individual season. I think got now he do make a good point. You're over here rob. If somehow the Patriots get Greg Olsen at tight end in. Aj Green of the Bengals as a free agent. Brady's numbers would be better but Tom Brady was not a top fifteen quarterback in this league this year by any statistical measure. You can look at whatever you want. He was not a top. Fifteen quarterback Dak had his best season in the league again. I don't know if you buy the stats. You like to win. Loss record stuff. I feel I need to support all only because he was two and seven against teams. Five hundred or better yet but to visit. So this defense wanted nothing to do with just. You can't bring out quarterback you'll know what to New Orleans New Orleans didn't even score touchdown and be gap Prescott and did not have a game there tolerated. He will no doubt sell. There's one for examples receiver to be on the field against Philli. Was I was Amari Cooper out there every cooper. Well he was. He was in and out again again. I'm going to be wrong but I believe the cowboys led the League in passes and they were out there they were third audit. We go coach was off. I want to say this to like so. Let's say Tom Brady. Goals to one of these stack teams. Let's just call it? The chargers and their stack or New England brings in all this talent that Prescott still going to have the better season. Why because no one is going to ask Tom Brady to do what they're going to? Acce Dak Prescott to do at the quarterback position at this stage in their careers. You'RE GONNA ASK MORE OUT OF THAT PRESCOTT. You're going to get more out of that. Prescott in result is just like basketball. Everybody talks about you. Know what am I gonNa get from this shooters will if you give them more shots he I guarantee you. He's going to score more points. If you give that Prescott more opportunities. There is no chance Tom Brady is going to outperform him individually. You're not going to ask a forty three year old quarterback to come into whatever situation even New England and they know him better than anyone and say. Hey Tom Win for us again. That's not going to be the narrative that's not where he is in his career. It's just not gonNA happen. Sorry Rob you are dead wrong on this. I'm not wrong and I'm telling you guys don't want to believe it but Dak Prescott and Matt Stafford a closer than you really WanNa believe and the only difference is one playoff win. Matt Stafford puts up all these numbers for the Lions. You not as prolific is a prolific. Passer has really big numbers but they never were GonNa win in Detroit with Matt Stafford. And they won't win with Dak Prescott despite all the talent for them not to make the playoffs year ago. Would Eagles were broken down? The giants were bad. Team is ridiculous. I play last year. Greek hold on you compare into mask. Davidge played ten years. How many times does he made the playoffs? I think two or three okay. That's made it twice in four. Wait hold on. Hold on to think too okay. Biggest to twice in four years and beat the Great Russell Wilson in the playoffs before Dad. Got There with Tony. Romo in their previous six years. Dallas made the playoffs once. So you're blaming the years you're putting a fool blame on Dak Prescott. The Dallas with the third best point differential in the NFC miss the playoffs. Yes because you can't look at the point differential why he pulled them numbers against the bad teams. These started the season Torino Washington the dolphins and what about the preview diet? Here's rob no I'll tell you what Woah now even doing races i. We don't even have to raise the EFI. Didn't put up those numbers. You would have been making a stink about the fact that he put up those numbers. You know what I'm saying but it matters who you beat Greg. You know that if you're trying to win you trying to win a lot. He wrote a super bowl. I'm going to say this. This is no slight against Tom. Brady is just where he is in his career. So before all the new England fans go crazy. Say nobody no one on chancery and Tom Bush naive town of Tom Brady. It's where he is in his career. Which is why. I'm walking down after. Martine th rings in the Saints will technically not avid quarterback on their roster since all three are up for new deals. Both Teddy Bridgewater tastes him. He'll WANNA stay in New Orleans. But Sean Payton has insisted. He sees a potential future for hill at quarterback comparing his late bloomer potential to that of hall of Famer Steve. Young Hill recently told the viewing himself as a full-time franchise quarterback Greg Jennings funny. I'm also view myself. As a full-time franchise quarterback should the saints move on from breeze and go all in on the hill? They should definitely move on from from drew brees Go all in on some hill. No I would go all in on Teddy Bridgewater which is what I think they will do. And what? They did do this past season when they had the chance to insert tasting meal or Teddy Bridgewater. Who did we see out there for the five games? We saw Teddy Bridgewater and they did well and they won all five of those games however tastes them hill. He does provide this this excitement at quarterback and I do believe he would be successful at quarterback in this league when we look at the Lamar Jackson Sean Watson's and the Russell Wilson's of the League in this running kind of epidemic. That we're seeing the quarterbacks go on at that position. The time for a standing the pocket quarterback without being mobile. That's done in so would taste hill when you look at what he was able to do. In that playoff game he will provide some team with a spark at quarterback. And we were talking. Brady just was here recently. He played defense. He understands what it's like to be stressed as a defender against a running type of quarterback Colin Kaepernick's L. These guys they come and they splash and sometimes they don't have longevity of careers because they never develop in the passing game. And why? Why do I mention that? Because Lamar Jackson. We've seen him literally make a splash. But he's developing himself has a passer more than ever. Why because the understand. That's how I'm going to have the longevity and we'RE TASTES THEM HILL. He can definitely throw the football he can catch the football. He can run the football. He's a very physical durable type of guy so I like him in in a situation that you're building an offense around his skill set but to keep him over Teddy Bridgewater in Saint in New Orleans. I wouldn't do that. Look I. Don't think they should move from drew. Brees he's forty one years old I get it. He played well last year. Not Halfway off okay. One grow one game now getting rid of their no one gave the league in completion percentage yet again he averaged two hundred seventy one yards passing a game yet again. He was twenty seven touchdowns. Four interceptions yet again. I mean this is not Tom. Brady peyton manning that in drew brees still has it. I get it. There might be some declined but soon notice greg. You're super bowl. Window is short and right now. New Orleans is in that window. So I'm I'm going on breeze or one year deals. I'll let him play next year and if he falls off will move on. Because I keep one of the two and I'm with you on this I would keep Teddy Bridgewater. He's proven to be a winner. What was he twenty two and twelve on in his career as a starter and last year. If you look at the overall numbers you might say. Well he'll the average like one hundred sixty yards passing a game when they went five. This year came man. Look at the well hold on this last three starts this year with New Orleans. He averaged two hundred and seventy eight yards passing again so they started him out slowly as a game manager then time went on. They start letting him told the football. So I'm with and I think bridgewater if you went to him and said look we gonNA keep drew one more year. We think we still can win the super bowl this year. Your guy next year I think bridgewater state. You already did that in the past and hill if you have to let him go 'cause he's tall he's six passes last year. I like him like you said situationally and all that but he threw six passes completed three for fifty five yards. So let's slow down on arguments. I was one of the best bargains in the League. He made five hundred forty five thousand dollars. He helped you on special teams. He was essential blog. Great Football Player. He's a great quarterback. That's where we agree. I'm with Bruce. Hart here move this idea to move on from drew. Brees a little bit chronometers Greg. I'm done with drew. Brees on the Wallin's drew brees the last three years in the play offs ten touchdowns six picks sixty nine percent completion. Just okay there were two and three and that game everybody cried about when they had to pass interference job. They got the ball back. You want to go back and watch what drew brees did. At the end of that game they still had a chance to win. That game. Greg. Even with that renders penalty and he didn't play well enough so all. I'm saying is I'd rather let them go a year too early to you too late. There's no reason as the time contract. Forty one move water ten and go and Teddy Bridgewater sitting right there even if he's not your long range guy he's the bridge one hundred per season go draws somebody develop that guy but you got teddy bridgewater for the next two or three years. Water is the starter and tastes them. Hills the backup even though tastes just said. Well I want to be a franchise guy if I wanted to think that he has that potential and I bring them along but you have a guy could step in right away. You're living in the past. Juwan why are we living in the past on Teddy Bridgewater? Who's hurting college and he's out hurting the NFL world right now in five Lt. Now or now you're raised. Give it to taste them. No I'm not no. I'm not I am ready to keep breeze knife. I WANNA come to rid and keep tasting. Hilas MY BACKUP. Keep drew brees and drew brees. Maggie did go the problem I have. Oh really the super bowl quarterback drew brees exactly because there's other super bowl talent that they have on that team that won with him but he will but are you still wanting to keep them exactly. That's the problem. I the reason. Why the reason why I struggle with this is because as a quarterback you're always given the benefit of the doubt because the idea is will. They're not they're not a lot of them out there. They're not no. That's your job to go and find one and get one that fits in that will work with whatever it is you can provide in create around him. That will make your team better player. If if they believe that tastes them hill is that guy. Let Drew Brees. Go somewhere else you could. You obviously go somewhere else. Let any direct greg. Why not you know. And we're going to let the same franchise one you a super bowl. Just go where but that's the problem. We're we're quick to throw away a running back or receiver or or anyone else but the quarterback quarterback asthma sport receive the quarterbacks getting more loved than the receivers. You know Georgia's do plays the climbing. Let's just admit really awesome year last year. He threw for five touchdowns and three hundred fifty yards against the forty niners. Forget that Oh didn't forget that but when I needed you most look what. Look what You provided me. If we're talking about Pat Mahoney. Do you talk about Pat. Mahomes depend mahomes did this then. It's like wait. A minute was going on with Kirk. Drove Down the defense drew brees Ryan cornerback. Thank Kirk cousins. Made all the throws down the field in overtime. He did and drew. Brees did not do that by he did not do that. They got a crucial turnover and then drew brees turns around and he he gets the ball stripped like I get it. I I love drew. Brees is done one of the best to ever play at the position in New Orleans. He shaves the landscape of that organization that franchise in a crucial moment after after after Katrina. But there's always the time when you have to identify. It is time to move on. Let me tell you. We have an option in house that we can ring. Whatever Hill Bowl Ridge water bridgewater's ready right now and it's just like I give the charges credit. They could've broke bill rivers. No no Don River Rare Philip rivers last general reno impairment. That you're wasting the situation. Is the situation Chris? I'm not in equal players. Too Easy for the charges to do was say oh. Philip had a bad year. Let's just we're going back again. Because he's he's buying River River your area and moved across the country who's off. Jay Glazer reported Fox said he moved across the consult but to Florida reasons. Leaving New Orleans drew brees had a good. Yeah you cannot kick drew brees. We gotta run this rivers through five times. The amount in I on Williamson sure played inspired last night dropping a career high. Thirty one on Portland. Zion also had nine rebounds five assists and Listen Folks Lebron K. D. and Luca Danni which are the only other nineteen year olds ever rick ever to have a thirty one nine five game. Zion's averaging twenty one and just under eight boards through a whopping nine games this year as Rob Parker shakes his head. Rick Zahn Williamson already established himself as a superstar in the NBA. Who put him up to this. A do we did you know. Educate these me and Greg are one side. You're on the other. We handing out the superstar tag. Keychains trade show. Wh Is this twenty twenty superstar. He's not even an all star yet. Thank you he is now. I will say this. He is exciting and fun to watch. He has shown some superstar like qualities. But right now he's an energy guy that's what he is. He's an energy guy and he's a dynamic energy guy because he's so athletic but superstar is a guy who I mean first of all. What's the accomplishment at this point nothing? He's a celebrity. Yes yes this day and age Roy media. That's right that's what they are. So but for me a superstar lead you to championships. He's the best player on your team. So I am. Williamson is not best player on this team. They don't play through him offensively defensively. He's he's not very good. I mean he's come on that lost defensively. What surprises me is that as dynamic athletic as he is is kind of a phone booth rebounder like. I would have expected that he was going to be able to his. That was one thing he was going to put up huge numbers offensively. He can go get his own and he can do some electric things but man. I mean Judge Judy. Judge Judy a superstar. Because she's very popular. Let me read the definition of superstar. You'll take us in. The News crews initially start the dictionary definition. Look it up okay. Profile and extremely successful Greg Jennings these are taken away. Look Zion. Williams is a superstar. Questions should really be. Can he live up to the superstardom and my answer is right now with the sample size that we've seen Rick I get it I get it. What is he done? Well he's been effective. He's been very effective when he's been given the opportunity when he's been given the minutes and when he's been axed to be effective in these nine games as you're GONNA so eloquently nine games mind. Let's listen to what I'm saying when you talk about a superstar you're talking about a guy who was the number one overall pick. He has all this hype surrounding him and everyone has this expectation of him in what they consider he could be or should be or will he be. Yeah right now with what we're seeing. Even last night. He has showcase into us that yes. I'm going to live up to the hype I get it. It's line games but was that. What was that going to? Did you say you said going to? He's going to live up to the height. Yes meaning he is in it. He's going to live up to the rick the number. He's always allegra. I wouldn't I nine games last thirty years. Nobody else in. Nba History has scored twenty or more good looking for numbers those numbers because when they went back there to figure out like a novel Parker a minutes restriction coming off an injury he's scratching and this is the life that we live and we worn a crown people right away because they weren't go marry but why well because he's on social media and everybody knows we is because he played at Duke. He's a fine player. He's not a superstar. Nobody Rick Rick Steph initiatives perfect. That's the real definition of what it is. Is John Moran Now? Trae young is not a superstar superstar. Yes I could argue and I agree. Trae young is not a superstar yet. But there's more evidence back up trae young being a superstar Desire Williamson. Trae young is starting all star game because of all the fans voting for youngest put up. I Bet I can look up some numbers to just thirty nine on Dan when I hear what Ziad weight bearing tenth seed right now they. I'll tell you right now. You know. There's nobody wants to design Williamson in the first round after he's got thirty games. Sorta LETTUCE ARE I. Don't think that the namic player who can take over game already. Wait a minute. He hasn't taken over game yet. Lebanese Prime Minister Great. Okay so with all of that limit. Chris made a great point. If we're just going superstardom because you are popular because everybody wants to see you succeed. Trae young is a superstar without question. He's a superstar. And I'm sorry you're saying John Mirant is not. He's going to be looking at the year or the year making. Samson is no. It doesn't sound logical. He could be the Article Star High Profile. Extremely when you add decorative telomere utar believe in dictionaries this best talking about TV star. There's actresses scored this week. Surprised me the most because we expect from. Yes because we're thing ause because you know how hard it is to achieve various status levels in the game and keeping that you wouldn't give that out so quickly because there guys. I'm sure you played with who had like three or four amazing game and you didn't say that Dude's a superstar Beckham junior set a few on. I some talent you can identify it right away and I think you can't. We can't just say Oh. He's not a superstar because he hasn't had opportunity to showcase it on a big large scale or sample size. What he's doing. He's a superstar to come in with all the height to to be number one overall. Pick to have a team pretty much. Say we're looking for him. We can't wait to the league shifted everything as far as watching just so we can watch so his regime superheroes I I'm not saying younger the superstar. Why he's got all good poets. I will say this. He's in the all taught me. Listen to me. I will take this from Rick. Chris. You can't a politician Padma whole Lamar. What they won't go as new in real say how many you go potentially many superstars do you have in the NBA currently because if you're just saying championship to to set earlier. Does that mean Janas is not a superstar with an MVP award. No I can I can say this is a superstock. He's leaving I think there. Yeah yes well I think rick is. I agree with your premise. I don't say you got win the championship leading you cannot be a superstar in the NBA without consistently leading your team to the playoffs again. There's no way. Yeah here's the thing guys will always get their numbers for me. A superstar gets everybody else numbers he makes the game easier for everybody else and that was the only thing that I had to. That gave me. Pause with honest because he's great dynamic player and in various ways he makes them go. But you've seen how they play when you take him out of the equation. They're still very good and I need to see him do that in the postseason when it becomes. We're going to gain plan to stop you and you've got to be able to adjust your game. We're not looking. This always bothers me and we're going to hear it with if they don't make it we're going to hear it all if they would get somebody. Chris Middleton can't be the second best guy on the team. Lebron James in Cleveland off. They'd only get him help and then he goes to Miami. He Learns How to win a championship. He learns how to make other guys better and now suddenly it's different and you could do it with almost anybody. I wanted to piggyback on something else you said about because look. I think he's going to put up if he stays healthy. He's going to be like a twenty five in eleven guy and I love the fact that he doesn't dominate the ball. And you don't have to really run place other than you know. They get it to him in the post but I think that makes him be at a fit with other guys perfectly because he doesn't have to dominate the ball. However when we talk about the Superstars jaanus Lebron Co. Why steph Curry James Harden? They are guys that when all else fails you can give it to them on the perimeter and they can create something off without even dominating the ball but they can create their own side. I don't see that yet in Zion. The yet will he ever be so he may be a God is twenty five eleven making the All star every year in a legitimate star but not the number one. Guy Anthony Davis. I don't think it's the number one guy. He's one eight because he can't do what the other guys. I just went to act on a superstar. He's a I would call him a super so I will call him that though because he does not fit the definition of making other guys. Better your definition. Okay yes you guys. Don't listen and Steve Nash. Superstar made everybody superstar. Anthony Davis not a superstar. I don't even say that is if it's extraordinary that we would say Steve Nash who was A to a super was the catalyst of this team that he would. We would look at him as a superstar. Anthony Davis not a superstar younger. Say Anthony Davis notice. Greg that's not even hard for NATO is so unfair to big big guys. Don't always you as everybody but our billy Joel embiid superstar. Not yet a I think he has. I think superstar like qualities and Greg said he's not going to take it from me or whatever but in the room stuck he got them to give him some just want them to play the video. Would you told everybody how Great Kwame May Brown was going to be? Because why am I get a effort? That's right with your whole idea of guys have to win James Harden. He hasn't won and what he what he wins at a high level. He hasn't won a championship. I I don't think you have to win a championship to be a superstar leaders having to be in the hood and consisted language. Russell Westbrook does he make anybody better as he wanted. Anything is Vincent Defy Russell. Westbrook's is super bowl. I don't definitions not as stringent as Rick's eighty. Absolutely thank you rick. No-n Patrick Mahomes has taken the League by storm coming the youngest player ever to regular season and Super Bowl. Mvp when asked if he viewed himself as the new face of the NFL. The homes gave credit to Lamar Jackson being on the same level after being. This season's unanimous. Mvp Mahomes is only twenty four Lamar. He's only twenty three so we can expect a lot of exciting matchups down the road between the two former. Nfl quarterback in Super Bowl Champ. Steve Berlin is joining us. Steve is mahomes. Lamar the next Brady Manning rivalry in the AFC. Well we we all sure hope so. I think it'd be great if it got to that point but there's a lot of things that have to happen before we can start building these guys at that level. I mean We've only had what how many games they played against each other too. I think so far career nearly two years into it as a starting quarterback I I think there's a lot of things have to happen still but truly I think the potential is there for a huge rivalry. We already know what Patrick Mahomes is going to do if he stays healthy. He's going to rewrite every record. It's that's out there. I mean if he stays healthy and that team continues to have the weapons that he's got around him. He's going to rewrite everything we know what he can do. Is One the big games? He's shown he's got the ability to step up and play at the highest level. At the biggest moments Lamar Jackson he burst onto the scene this year. There's a lot more questions I think about Lamar Jackson when you look at what he's going to do long term and number one is this. How long can you play the way that he's playing? How long has his body and allow him to play at that level now what he did this year. We've never seen out of a quarterback before running the football development from year one to year two as a passer astronomical and I think you'll continue to work in and develop that way because we know his work ethic is at a very high level extremely competitive. He's GonNa push himself to prove everybody that doubt some wrong. And he's going to do the things he's got to do to continue to develop now. The question is whether his body is going to allow him. Tad that ten twelve fourteen year career playing the way that he does play if you want to talk about some comparisons. Let's talk about Colin Kaepernick Cam. Newton guys like that. That were runners. That led it quarterbacks that ran the football and we're asked to run the football but their bodies were not able to hold up over time or they didn't develop as a passer overtime. Forget about all the other stuff with Cam Newton and with with Colin Kaepernick. Especially look at what happened after he made his run to the Super Bowl the twelve and four year when he was in two thousand thirteen. There were twelve in four. Yoda's records were the next few years. Eight and eight and two thousand fourteen two and six and two thousand fifteen one in ten in two thousand sixteen because he didn't evolve and develop as a quarterback. He didn't continue to get better defenses. Figured out how to take away the things he was comfortable with Ken. Lamar Jackson continued to stay ahead of that curve. Guests who the offense accord. It was for of those quarterbacks right Colin Kaepernick and Lamar Jackson so Greg Roman challenges on him too as well if he stays with mark. Jackson how can they stay ahead of the curve and keep him developing and evolving as a as a quarterback and really more importantly I think as as he gets up into his career? He's got a container develop as a passer which I think he will. Again Year one to year two astronomical so. I think the sky's the limit form of his body holds up. These two guys are shown the ability to be able to turn it up and play at a high level in the big games. We'll see where it goes. Yes the I agree with you. Look Mahomes we already know. He's in this like he is assuming stays healthy. There are no other questions about him. What he does is sustainable. There's no doubt and he's got. Andy Greet the great coach. He's got tyreek Hill. These Guy Travis. Kelsey he's got you know Damian Williams. He's got McColl Harvey for the next few years. So he's going to be in this discussion. Who's going to be the other guy I think? Lamar is the best choice at this point. My only question is sustainability is not because we've seen mahomes win in the playoffs. Obviously we haven't seen Lamar do it. The to good teams he's faced. That has seen him twice. I know we saw Cincinnati twice. They're not good he's OUGHTA browns. Twice last year did not good. Pittsburgh was injury riddled and all that stuff the two teams he saw twice that we're good. The chargers two years ago and last year to titans they they bothered him up early and I know he had big numbers against the title design. Okay right I mean. His problem is if they get down in. A playoff game. Now you gotta change everything. He has to become a passer. I agree with you in that. This summer is huge for him because if he makes the same type of leap or even two-thirds the leap that he made last year off season. That's what's necessary because it's Tugela Cam. Newton you mentioned can do this twice as big as Lamar Jackson. A he couldn't take the consistent hits and it broke his body down over time. I think Lamar is as he slows down. As he takes more hits he's going to be more of a passing quarterback and if he can do that well then this can be Brady Manny. Yeah no I. Don't think this'll be brady manning but it like you said it has the potential to be. But it's not going to be. These guys mashed up seventeen times like five times in the postseason three or four times in. Afc Championship game like they were. The elite of the elite like literally led their teams and it was all about them. When I look at these guys. Their styles are completely different. Patent homes is very similar. He's kind of a combination of both both quarterbacks. Tom Brady and peyton manning. But you mentioned something that I mentioned earlier Greg Roman when it comes to the style of play that Lamar Jackson in the Baltimore Ravens Play. It is it fits tremendously well for the regular season can they? Can they change in? Turn that up a notch in the postseason and then you look at the skill guys that he has around him versus pat home. Those no comparison you talking about a guy who has to are heavily. His his threats are his biggest targets. Ours too tight ends and then you have a receiver who is a smaller guy. Who's been in and out of the lineup? So he doesn't have as many weapons in the arsenal. That Pat Mahomes has and then outside of these two quarterbacks Shawn Watson. That's what I was GONNA ask. Steve can can he be in the conversation to Shawn Watson who have seemed to poo poo despite some of the numbers? And we've seen him be spectacular. We have seen him an enema. Huge Shawn Watson Fan too. I mean the guy. I've had him as my fantasy quarterback the last couple years because I love that guy. He's proven himself in the big games too and his combination of running and passing the foot. Peaked he's a throw you know. I mean he can sling it and there's no doubt now both he's way ahead. Lamar Jackson in terms of his pocket ability as a passing quarterback. So you have to put the Sean in that category. You GotTa put Russell Wilson in that category too with what? Russell can do as a quarterback and Russell. He's he doesn't take a lot of hits so he's still going to be he's got another she's at least seven or eight years left. You would think well Steve. I want to ask the sustainability of Lamar. We saw three pocket. Quarterbacks get injured kind of maybe fluky drew brees. Nick Foles who won the Super Bowl and Ben Rothlisberger? All just hit in the pocket. Lamar I know. He's a running quarterback. But do you really feel. He takes a lot of hits because to me. It's accuse Moore Russell Wilson Elusive knows when to slide unlike say. Rg three well. When you talk about. The you mentioned reason Rothlisberger. Those are two pocket guys. That are older up in their careers and they've they've had you. They've had the cumulative effect of a long career as well. There's no doubt standing in the pocket. That's the kind of quarterback I was. I got the crap out of me but still I'm still this far as you know. I got to new hips and a few other issues. But I'm doing okay. But the bottom line is everybody's different. I mean we saw Patrick. Mahomes dislocated knee cap. dishonor fluky plan. A quarterback sneak a durability. Is the question with all these guys. Were as you said that we had a body of work of how many games between Brady and manning I mean it was seventeen. Seventeen meetings between those two guys. It's GonNa find itself overtime. The question is going to be whether Lamar can continue to develop as a passing quarterback and whether they'd put weapons around my mattress mahomes by the way makes everybody on his team better because he's got the special qualities as a as a pocket passer who can also break a defense down with his feet but also especially in extending plays and when he gets outside of that pocket he's not looking for completion or to get a first down. He's looking to throw the dagger he is looking to end it right there. One play and there are very few quarterbacks that have that ability so he's very unique. Does it running and look? I got to admit I've been surprised that Lamar was fully healthy through this year. Because I didn't think a guy can run that much in survive but it does put you at a greater risk. Run INTO FOOTBALL. Like and he always stats. He did take a few picks up a few. But he's really good at avoiding the hit so he really smart and doesn't take a lot of big hits but as we all know there still is a cumulative effect if you're asking him to run the ball fifteen to twenty times a game all the cutting on his knees on his ankles and the the breaking down and trying to make the move that he makes bodies falling on top of them getting yourself in awkward positions it as you age. Those things start to take a toll so you have to evolve. You have to. He's not going to be able to run the ball when he's thirty years old the way he's running the ball right now. Just you can't ask them to do that. If you WANNA be Lakers got an overtime win last night against the nuggets by four? Lebron had a triple double thirty two points which backed up. Anthony Davis is claimed before the game that Lebron was the best player on the Lakers. But back in September on Lakers Media Day Lebron stated the offense would run through. Anthony Davis in Lebron seventeenth season. King James is averaging twenty five points. That's the second lowest of his career. Despite the drop in Lebron's numbers Lakers are forty two and twelve. I in the West Rob Parker heading into the all star break. La Times Lakers reporter Brad. Turner joins Brad his Legrand. Hey what's up guys? We're starting to softball. Here is Lebron. The most important player on the Lakers. I want to say yes and no yes. Because he's been there before he's won championships. He knows what it takes. No because I want to see a d. Take that next step. Have not seen that yet. If you play for the Lakers Kobe Bryant Shaquille Jerry. Wes Baylor Magic Johnson. Kareem James Worthy. They get to the next level can get to that next level. I don't know last year. Who did that? Kawhi Leonard Basle Special Place to be Michael Jordan at the top of all of them. Tom Brady those guys get to the level. We have not seen before. Can't do that if he can't. They can't win you've watched. Ad For what Fifty Games here so far. What's your thoughts on so far? I mean Kenny. Is he making progress? His talent is as good as anyone in the league. I mean he blocked shots. She was too big. Three's last night. He can roll to the basket he can dunk on guys he can do everything but does he have it in his soul. Can you really being all that out? Like I called for Twenty Years Magic Johnson. I got to see him play early in my career so I've been spoiled. I've seen the best you covered as Thomas so when you see the best you expect everyone to play at that level. Not everyone can do that. We'll do that in the playoffs. I don't know and see that's why I agree. And we had this big argument earlier in the show and Greg was was on Lebron that he's the most important plan I'm with you. It's about a d we know Lebron can do. We've seen it can. Ad Piece that he needs to win. That's Wa Brahm was willing to get rid of the whole young core and because he wants to win a championship hitting the basketball player. Right now he who the GM Lebron James. He's the one who got a D. Do Google say Arica Rob Pelinka okay. I know what you're saying but it's about a D. and that's why I think the most important if he doesn't rise to that right now and the two games against the clippers this year. He's he's he has a total four point which are to Ellsworth a Laker if he plays like that we got four in the fourth quarter right in the fourth quarter of the fourth quarter. Sorry a total of four and those two losses if he doesn't respond to done play well. Dan No shot to win. It's about a deed issue but in those losses. Who was the best player on the coin? It was Leonard it has to be either the Brian. Ad. They have to be the best player out there otherwise they can't beat them. They proved that and now the clippers have added someone that you're not quite sure about but they mock Moore's who's tough. It's tough as they come back now to anyone to Rob Parker. I mean that's easy one right. Oh but for me. It's Lebron James. Lebron James is not only the best player. He's the most important player in the reason. Why is clear when you can dictate everything everywhere? Lebron James has been the offense. He's been able to plug himself in and take over in. The offense just develops into this. Lebron centric offensive game plan doesn't matter who the talent is around them and then they sprinkle in what they offer to the table we saw we saw with Kyrie. We saw with Dwayne Wade and Chris Bosh Down in Miami. And we're seeing it now. As much is Lebron James Wants and as much as you want. And we all want to see hd take that next step he understands. I can't back down. I can't I can't just give it to you. You have to show me that you're willing to take it and then yes you might be the best player you might be the most important player but for right now. I got the ball in my hands I dictate the tempo of the offense. I did tell you what we're GONNA run. I make the plays every situation that you need. Lebron to be great in he gets the ball in those positions in in those situations. Anthony Davis as great as he is. We need him to be great when it counts. And You I want to ask you a question you talk about. You haven't seen him take that next level that next step. What is that the and you talked about his being in his soul. But what do you see in him? That either tells you. He can do it or that. He can last night. He took two big three point. Shots made them both. Hit A big black. His talent says yes. I can do that. His talent shows you that he has all the skills to do everything in the big moment. But once you get to the playoffs. That's the highest level. You can get you know that if you can't become I don't want a coby Bryan because that's really high but yes if you cannot become a Kobe Bryant in the playoffs a career Leonard in the playoffs. You cannot leave your legacy at that moment. Then you have all almost failed this. We talk about Lebron James when they beat Golden State he had the big block. Who took a made the big shot? I we are big shot. I read that's what you really want to see from someone like you didn't give them up the ball he. He didn't even have read at the same time. You look back at those early shack. Kobe teams Shaq was the clear Alpha. Three-time final MVP. You need number two to be Kobe Tobacco. You told me. Anthony Davis can't be the to serve you say check. Was He clear? Alpha in those three file. It was a one one. Eight one eight one. One eight Lebron. Anthony Davis had that they can. We don't know yet. We won't know until April gets here because we haven't seen him be able to do it in the postseason so he had a good playoff series against supporting to do this because of the way he plays. You know what you just made an interesting point because you talked about shocking Koby and you said it was a clear Alpha and I agree with you. There was no clear Alpha and the reason why there was no clear. Alpha is because Kobe you you can convince him that he wasn't the number one clear. Alpha all you gotTa do is go to his rookie. Year highs will be put up. I mean even Kyrie Irving you couldn't convince Kyrie irving that he wasn't the one one player like no you understand okay. Yeah everybody wants to say this. Lebron team would this is. This is how I feel. Which is why we ended up leaving because he felt like I can do this without him when you have to your point when Ab takes that step in not make the comment. That Lebron is the best player. Greg do you want him to say I'm the best player on the DC? No no I don't but they Lebron exactly employer. That's not to say that. Why why do you have to pass a final brandon years? Seventy one day. No why does that both the best your own a deal you will is that. He's a really easygoing. Guy Does Not want to create problems. So you will say he's the best guy on the team. He's the best guy in the world but you want to prove that you are now. Kobe Bryant no never know my dad would never somebody with two different types of people right. A D is not that kind of personal. His talent tells you I am great. His personality says I am with the group. I'm about all of us and if the Brian James was the best player than our say he's the best player in the League. So basically you're thinking of the Alpha as hey. We're all going to the car. I'm driving on the Alpha and then decide whether I'm driving I'm Ryan Shotgun. Anthony Davis is just like. Hey let's roll out. Let's go as a group. Yes I personally think that's a little overblown but you've been around the league. Also we look back to when the Lakers played in the Pacers game for Jack Jack who takes over that moment. I thought to myself Kobe. Bryant will be that Guy. Those ones come along very very seldom. It came along with a wire last year as some point. I'm thinking it may come around for the Lakers. In the playoffs we'll ad step into that void and fill that role. When the Brian James by half just can't do it and he needs help. Everybody needed. Kobe needed help coping until Belga soul came out. Let me ask you about Lakers clippers. For Sick you mentioned Kowa was the best player in the fourth quarter in. The first two Lakers clippers meetings. Brad how do they stop him? Does it need to be Lebron. Does it need to be Anthony. Davis should it be someone else? I mean Ken. Lebron be the best player in the fourth quarter. If he's as Greg said running the offense all game and then you gotta go defend Kuwa- that's that's too much to ask. A Lebron knows not at thirty five. Knows that if you're the best player in the planet and you still see the best Puna penny you take on that challenge you decide that I will God quiet if not an AB takes on. One of them has to be the guy to say. It's I will be the one to do this. The legs have been run down by them in the fourth quarter every single game. They've lost it in there. They get a double digit lead. The defense talk the suburb. They become stagnant office. The run plays that you wonder why Brian Dugan the ball twenty eight seconds on the twenty second class. You want all these things. Why are they that executing when the clippers are so? I gotta ask you this because we we discussed this earlier. There was an anonymous executive. Best say that there is no chance no way. Don't the whole DNR. No way that the Lakers be- the clippers in the playoffs. Seven game series. That's what what do you say to that the Y. Played a game. Why show up? I just looked on my phone. I did the Little Google thing and I saw that Boston was down three. Oh to the Yankees in two thousand four day. Yeah and I think they came back one. No they didn't is flat. No and I said it because I'm a dodger fan. They just all day so no way. Why am I here? Why are we here if you put it out guys just being all these? It's a cool thing to say. She's not the middle of the road. What I just think you look at where. The clippers are their depth their coach day. Play Defense on a perimeter. Just look at it. Do they have three closers? They have guys who can finish games when you look at all that and say a seven game series and they're all playing in the same building and not right. That's GonNa be the same of the Lakers. How could you not think that that they would not want to seven clippers would be the heavy famous no doubt in my mind? I mean yeah they have August. We have four guys. Averaging eighteen points or more game the Lakers have three guys. Every in double figures. Tipples have six guys averaging double figures heavy favourite sprint. At first I would say slight. I was heavy because they got marcus watching plate watch dollars look goon it up against. Lebron and the fast bottle. That's Brad Timeout. Brother of doom did not home. I'm just saying the duke and ball fights last year. Something like white in the clippers. Czar with Pat Beverley on the team. There's something to say having tough guys on your team that won't back down so yes I would say maybe favors too hard okay. But I had him as slight favorites on Christmas Day. Now I'm say they are just a favors to beat them because they have a better team but no way I would not use that phrase ever in anything clear VEGAS HAS IT dead. Even they're both the same odds to win the championship. Twenty four and three in his dead even now. How could how could that be head coach? Brad that were big assert Vegas 's biggest wrong vegas all right Brad. Good stuff we got a million questions for Brad. Thanks for listening to the undisputed podcast. I'm johnny join us again at nine. Thirty am eastern on Monday for another week of undisputed. We'll see that.

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"And once again we are hanging with big walter. This particular episode with former blue star. Keith kachuck little different. Calling in the ca ca chuck ca quiz or the kilcoyne quiz. Little more of a getting to know you with keith. Some moments from his career growing up with mom and dad and boston and over the years any regrets. It's sort of funny what he spent a lot of money on not a car guy but there was something that finally his wife sean tells it. That's it that's enough. Put it into that. This particular segment was taped last week. And it was gonna come out on wednesday and it turned out. That was the day that the blues legend. Bobby plager- died so it didn't make sense. The tone was wrong so we waited in. Maybe on this particular week so blues fans are looking for something to smile about. And maybe something a little bit lighter. And that's what this is. We'll get back to breaking down the nhl and talking about matthew and brady and they're games but this week just kind of having fun with keith career. Moments favorite places to eat and say louis favored teammates over the years and why dad was always calling him a nitwit when he was a teenager growing up in boston. It's big. walt unplugged. Not that he is anything but unplugged in our regular visit. so hopefully. you'll enjoy the conversation with keith. Kachuck is brought to you by appliance. Discounters fight him all around st louis or online the appliance discounters dot com great place to pick up all of your g. e. products general electric lowest prices get those ge rebates all of that at appliance discounters. Also marie develop senior living premium living in west county quarter of clayton and wiedeman road. Beautiful sixty acre campus. Take the virtual tour at marie. Davila dot com also tried bank saint louis based bank. Since two thousand five fighter more online at triad banking dot com. It truly is the neighborhood friendly bank. If your business owner looking to do a little more business make sure you talk to jim. Regna the ceo triad bank. And let them know you heard him. Hurt is Bank being talked about by martin. Kilcoyne and i'm sure they'll take great care of you. Personal service something. You don't get in the banking world these days. Let's do it. We're hanging with big walt teeth. You chuck let's start with your tournament. You're your guy who likes to. You're not playing professionals where you can gamble. That's okay. I know you like to do a little wagering. Are you a big bracket guy. Do you fill out multiple ones of these. I did come in brackets. Yeah now. I'm basically like most people down shits creek ohio state in illinois. Oh good brackets. Because i don't know much about college basketball. Twenty twenty five and keep hearing how great the big townhouse like how great a league was all. I played a the big ten teams in the pretty much. All gone right or are they on now. What there's one of nine left one at a night. It's unbelievable and what they've had a bad rap for a while like that. There are great conference. It'd people say but they're overrated. Never win and they don't just. I mean the last time they wanted. Ncw champion day. Two thousand that long ago you're still frigate phoenix right. Oh my lord. That's darasing an hour. I'm really done with the big ten. Then i'm embarrassed for your bracket what about redoing. Do you ever do the reduce a sweet sixteen now. I'm rooting for as little chicago was loose. Yup sister gene agree with that. Be sister she kinda has a grandma contract vibe right. That feisty older woman little older in your mom but hundred one. Holy moly that's unreal. She was for them. I root for them and you know what they got screwed by the committee. They're really good and then they give them an eight. See because like well. You're from a small conference. You're no good and then you know who got burned was illinois began illinois head to play a really good team in the second game so the valley was like okay. You don't think we're in a good that's fine. Give us anybody got. That's the best remedy. Somebody says you're disrespected. Just go out and win right. What about st parodies. I didn't. I didn't make adobe clark did you. I did not drink announce of alcohol at day. I just hung out in my house here. Relax as jimmy. O'brien says usually amateur hour on saint paddy's days. I didn't wanna get into that. I just want to relax. Relax take it easy. Rest the body and ready to go ready to go for the next time that inter the bill argues. Here's what i thought we'd do. I'm not gonna pepper you with the latest on mathew brady or check the league standings. I wanted to do a quiz. We'll call it that just to be clever. But i think some of these. I might know the answers but for fans of big walt. They may not know. And you don't have to do rapid-fire you can think about it or expand a little bit. Y'all one you don't determine what i can't shoot. This is true you can applicable chantal. Right now is she that like i question booze. The boss at that house. I'll give her the belts. jam cam. How about this when people see you. Do they keith. Big wall now. Big walls art. If not hockey would you have done. River thought hands of them if they say keith. So it's got to be big walter. Not the if if somebody says Mom does she call you key allies. Shut down my mom kneeling people that coming but like people around do people come up the say. Well it's up in if they don't you feel disrespected. Think you think that name was gonna stick. That's good i love it. I love it. But i'm saying when they first did it. They're like i don't know what was it. It was the old check. wasn't it the ideal big wall. Good all right. Who is your favorite hockey player growing. I loved the boston bruins I grew up. Meaning idolizing. you know terry o'reilly When ray war came in god. Who else who bob. Your was a headier. I'm yours a little bit before me. So that was my parents era. I love bob. You are seeing the clips Like cam nealy merely because when cam came in when he got traded know much about any approval. But it came to boston was like holy cow. This guy those kind of guys that really like heat crowded nevin marklar rabe war cam. Nealy terro rally jay miller. What was your second best sport. I love baseball. I played baseball all the way up to high school after high school Stop the when. I broke my leg. Senior is gonna played all the way up to them. What i'm trying to get out trying to picture this. I'm gonna go. You're probably a little leaner back. I'm gonna say third base birds base first. Burs base was good good. Did you out always gets fastball. So he threw me anything but a fastball hours. Chopping way at an i was going. First pitch fastball boom. Were you were you. Were you in the backyard. Is a little where you jim. Rice human rights law. Somebody left of course jammed. Freddy lynn was a little bit. I was really young. I remember him. Dwight evans. You know that was agreed migraine. Well on left field wall. Dave henderson centerfield. Tony armas trying to think who else There's a bunch of carney lansford. Barney output highlands freddie trade in the as in dominated. Wade boggs. wade boggs wade. Boggs is probably the best his. He was incredible. Nobody could hit the ball. Better is in this guy. He was never seen him. Strike out ever of you heard those beer stories. Each city can drink a case of beer on a flight of your way. Ball margot adams. He could drink a case of margot adams their best that scandal did he went into but he went into the hall of fame as a tampa bay right. Mattie us bitter red sox rich gannon remember him rich yet number. Ten left-handed oil can boyd roger clemens. Bruce st louis is ahead of your time. Yes they had a mine. Mardi baronets second base. Good does eighty six. Don bailer was was d. h. For few years there of the always great players rocket roger clemens. One of the best pitchers were you in high school and eighty six bill. Buckner game would happen is devastating devastating game. Six that was done it was done was over. But you know what they let out there. Just unraveled it unravels. That whole that whole you're down at two ounce right correct me if i'm wrong gary carter those guys ray knight right right. Yep did you throw the tv. You know kimmy. The tv is about the size of the screen. I have right now. you're killing me. We have the rabbit ears like he was all. I couldn't get a clean picture with great. You could take one thing from brady's game and matthew's game and added to your skills or what would you take from each one. While i think their vision vision matthew brady brees really come along with his playmaking but matthews vision is business really good. If i could have that that'll be even better favorite teammate. Of all time there's not one of them. I had so many guys in daily drake. I play with for a long time. Temporal newman you. Know al here in town Pack doug billy. Gee you know. I got a lot of guys came really close with over the years most hated opponent. Did you have a guy you ever run ins with all all the time as a few guys that i don't wanna get into that you know. It just changes every year depending like what conference. You're and soften guys changed quite a bit. But i always had battles with like you know footer and hatch. Those three canada wasn't it was just like here. we go again now wasn't will not allow. He hated like planning is in our are asking all the time but there wasn't a lot like hate a one particular person. What was a player that you always wanted to play with in the league but maybe even were friends with and said i wish we loved gretzky but i mean that's most obvious choice but the guy that humbly midway through my career towards the end of my career that would allotted chance to play on his pebble. Dad's not a great not a better. Macau is the magic man when you were traded to blues. What did you think. What did you know. I mean you came. You wanted to come here at that time right. They're always competitive team. Dali drake was here break before me because he just left signed free agent there and he told me a lot of great things about aguado. Engravings will be guys and you know they had an ownership With the lorries. Who we're going to do whatever it takes to try to win. That all played into britain. And i didn't know much about the city didn't like You know when you when you're always rotea really don't go outside the city pretty much there. It wasn't a lot going on down there. So i heard great stories about you know players coming here and stay in airlines agreed sports town. They weren't lying. I mean that's the reason why we stay here. Now is reloaded. Did you think they for those first couple of years. Did you think we're gonna did. You think we're gonna win a cup or we should win a cup did you. You're close roman. got air me. We're one or two saves away from getting to the finals. Losing out colorado. Those were close games. You know that was tough. When the year we lost three hundred series ourselves top. That was a big year for us blowing play vancouver so we went through that rocky road there. They cotton changed. Ownership payrolls cutting. What's back to the conversation with big walt in a moment first a reminder that appliance discounters is well aware of all of the candidates that the other appliance guys are telling you when you're in need of an appliance right away appliance discounters. 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I've got a todd golf memberships that i probably shouldn't have had our you know that you have something stupid like a house there and just a lot hold on to buy a house a lot a lot. A lot of workers only keeps it. Well i bought this house. Because i wanted to play all play like one or two rounds. They're waste of mine out was stupid. Way to golf. Memberships one point six or seven one point like around the country all over the country. And you know those dues. Add up when you're twenty plus graham I'll put her foot down. Said when not have this getting rid of some of these things said okay. Good for her. What's the biggest. What's the biggest check you ever held now. They it's all wired. Ever get handed a big ever while while italy signed bonuses back then but you know. The irregular to check was pretty big. And that's when it before direct deposit so so saw some nominated She saw one room. So did you take to shore shoe. Must've been sitting there and he saw it. I don't know rachel's going through my wallet. I don't know how much what do you think. The biggest. Jackie mike jobs. The ramsey said once he and show ram sparking the anima check for five hundred thousand dollars. Oh my god the ads signing bonus where you get a big one shack like they do nowadays. Care member honestly. I honestly didn't even really luggage times. Best advice you got from your mom and dad. What is it the first impressions rowing's lasting impressions. Yeah make a good first impression. Soleil says i can hear that is to say a word you know what do you do. He called my name was nitwits for my first bunch. Here's a life would. So he was tough right now. He he's a good guy guys money bastard what it called you knit. What did you knit you and your brother to nitwits. How old were you like throwing by my when i was teenager. A you're going out for pizza in saint. Louis where are you going. I think i know the answer. Hobie clark's okay. How about you're going for wings. Where you're going be clark what i just had the other day. Is that new place julio's on lindbergh mexican well. I recommended goal. Air have great margaritas. Great food. I was there last night actually place with jim limber. Do you have a spot. Do you have a membership that. I'll decide your daily. No i'm going to find out who runs that place. I gotta get to know them because it's not too far from my house. So talk on tuesdays. Why not let's go. You're golden for a stake in saint louis where you're going. I really like the capital grill in clayton about from the career. Do you have a favorite goal mudassar montalvan. Okay i'll i can go through the whole list seafood italian. Where are you going to pretend not even close paul In also a place that palmettos really food hall also place that you wanna have a place that just has everything is Cafe natalie is kevin. That's against one. They've got some great restaurants in her during the pandemic. We wanted to a little bit. Some good places there to the goal you big wall when you walk in on the hill. Now hey kids the your kids get to distribute. What do they say sarcastic. Lavin caring generous. And you never them nitwits right couple of choice. Words should matter and brave. Can't do mad. My daughter-in-law is she. Is she the daughter. I love honesty and she. She's got a little manner she's she's a sarcastic saba gun. She'll be watching. she's funny. She comes out with these. One liners that i have and especially watching a game where they're watching the boys in like car them when they're plans so it's good. You have a favorite moment from the career faber goal. Well is a first goal is was something. you'll never forget. I did that. Nineteen ninety-two will rebound gold. Surprise surprise against the minnesota north stars. And maybe the five hundred goal. i mean. that was pretty cool to see the. My teammates react the way they did. You know to do something that not allowed to do. It was pretty cool. That's pretty cool. I did at home now. Lot of former players ended up coaching. You think you'll ever be binding bench. I most likely. I can be pretty honestly say hundred percent number happen. That's definitive career wa. Any regrets career or life other than doing this. Yeah this is probably ran out there now. I'm sure yet. You second guest some of the things you did and happened. But that's like you make mistakes. You got lawn and you all you wish you did things a little bit different certain times but not a you know so far so good. Everybody is only. That's all i care about my family right now and you know my family and friends and but nah. I'm sure i made tons of mistakes. I did. I still do but you don't live is it's a life mistakes that you get your learn from but nobody gonna do my sure. I did some stupid things back then. I feel i feel the audience knows g better. This would you feel like you're laying on the couch. This is very like therapy. I feel like i'm really getting like Interrogated right now in here. Here's the confused blues fan. They see you out to go. Hey big keys like no no. It's not a big deal starts. Start stupid stuff you would. That's how we should end it. Don't start stupid stuff. You nitwit our big wall. Talk next twenty twenty. Well hope you enjoy the quiz kilcoyne quiz. Whatever it happened to be just a chance to mix it up. We talked about a lot of hockey and the current. Nhl standings and what's going on. Just be fun to cut loose and let it rip with big wall. He's always willing sport in doing all of that. So hopefully you joined the kilcoyne conversation. The big walt addition. I should say this is the hanging with big walter. Addition all sort of under the umbrella of kilcoyne conversation. Make sure you subscribe on. I tunes spotify. Get the segments delivered directly to you and all of the segments are found scoops with danny mac dot com. I've martin kilcoyne. We'll talk to you again soon.

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3 and Out - 'Bama Rolls/Draft Projections; Pederson Fired; Brady and Older QB's; Fanless Playoffs; 2018 QB Class Impact

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3 and Out - 'Bama Rolls/Draft Projections; Pederson Fired; Brady and Older QB's; Fanless Playoffs; 2018 QB Class Impact

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Everybody's john middlekauff rian out. Podcast back at it again as we head into the divisional round i was gonna wait till the end of the game but there's thirteen minutes left and the scores fifty two twenty four nick. Saban's going to win his seventy fifth championship so roll. Tide congrats to alabama. We'll dive into just nfl angles to that game. And a couple of things. I saw then. We got a lot going on some breaking news earlier today. Doug peterson fired dive in some thoughts. I had them. Sean mcveigh some of the older quarterbacks. Brady brees big-band rivers. I think we got a really really good game this weekend. Between josh allen. Lamar jackson bills ravens can't wait for that. We have a good game tampa and the saints is a really good game. Can't wait can't wait. gotta love the playoffs. This is this is why we do. You know not me. I just talk into a microphone. So it's why the players and coaches do what they do entertain us and Lucky enough to be able to talk about it so we will talk a little bit about everything and appreciate everyone middlekauff. Mail bag also add. John middlekauff the instagram. Handle three. and podcast. If you could go subscribe to the page would greatly appreciate it for those of you. That have left to review also greatly. Appreciate it and thanks. Hopefully everyone is doing well out there. We'll start with the alabama game. Let's talk about it from. Nfl draft perspective angles. Here devante smith. I gotta look at his final numbers. He just got her with his hand but he had twelve catches for two hundred and fifteen yards and three touchdowns clown ohio state. I mean that was. That was a joke that that was. It almost felt like. Hey ohio state you guys realize. This guy is like seventy five touchdowns this season. He just won the heisman trophy. He's really good. But i i don't think they did not cover all night one thing. I've heard about him. Football characters fantastic. He's beloved it. Alabama and obviously play speaks for itself. The one red flag on the player is his body. He weighs one hundred sixty six pounds. And that's not very bic. For example i think henry ruggs was like one hundred eighty eight pounds and much faster devante smith. He plays fast like his combine will probably run like four four which is fine. But i think a cop that he's going to have is gone jackson. Who has texted buddy. The used to work in philly. Who was there. When he came in he was one hundred. Sixty eight pounds but to sean was more explosive than devante. Now i'm not saying this guy is not as good as to sean. If not better. I notice sean went in the second round but that was because a character. He was a top twenty level player. Like this guy special player. I just think you're going to have to be. I see some of these people at the jets should take into. He weighs a hundred and sixty six pounds. Now it's never been easier the way the game's played to excel at wide receiver. Because it's easier on quarterbacks but still like you're going to hear some negative things. I think he i know he was limping tonight. And i saw social media. I can't believe nick. Sabin is letting him play. Pump the brakes as a scout. Told me the moment. He got injured less than five minutes after he got injured. He told the trend. I'm playing in the national championship game. These alabama guys are wired to dominate. Nick sabin is a pro organization. His goal is to win and put guys in the pros. He did not need wattle. The play this was one hundred percent. Waddle's decision wada. Wanted to be out there but when water was fully healthy and they wouldn't have put them out there if he could reinjured himself even though he's limping around i'm not gonna lie. Did look a little weird. Is that jalen waddell. There is a chance he goes above. Devante smith so i think it speaks to the greatness. They're going to have four wide receivers in a two year span. That probably own the top fifteen. That is incredible. And i did see someone like i wonder if the two thousand nine hundred nine. Lsu team or the two thousand twenty bama team. Which team would win. Well the bama team last year was this team just with more talent and when they played. Lsu tula who was better than jones. They got they got killed. I know the score ended up being closer morella. She was killing him. That was you was a better version of this now this version. I commend alabama as a scout told mirror this year. For all the opt-outs in everything going around college football alabama did not have one opt out. They didn't have one guy that even crossed his mind. That places a factory to win national championships and then get paid. Nashi harris was a guy to me. When i wash them. Look like a third or fourth round. Came back to school to me. He looks like he's going to go somewhere between twenty five and thirty five. I'm not a huge first round running back guy but i think those first couple of picks in the second round. He's got the new york jets that second pick in the second round it'd be picked thirty four written all over. Naji harris is a baller. So you got waddell. You have devante. Smith who are going to go in the top fifteen you have naji harris. Who's going to go somewhere between twenty five and thirty five. Listen to joan stats look awesome. And he's had a really really good season. He's as of recording this. He's thirty six of forty four for four hundred sixty four yards and five touchdowns but a little bit like now. He's a different player than two. They play on all star teams. Like it's clear. What the wide receivers in that. Like naji harris. That's going to translate devante. Smith water healthy. That's going to translate some of their offensive line. That's going to translate the quarterback like when you're throw into a dude wide open. I always gives me pause. Does he have physical attributes like he looks like he has a good arm. He's very throws a deep ball. But i i'm not taking mack jones in the first round to me just being real. I think he's like a third round pick and probably a good backup but to think that it's going to look like that and the pros would be insane. It's just that's not the case we saw to go from alabama to miami and look like shit. It's very very difficult because there's a chance it's different for him because he's going to go in the third round he could end up the steelers. The niners like on a decent team but still it's. It's not gonna be that easy. I don't want to say he was a loser but he definitely didn't win the night and that's just in fields. Now he's playing injured. He got molly walk last week. I was hoping going into the game. I saw a picture of who was at the national championship it. The momentum is gaining. Looks like he's going to be the next coach of the jags. Like he's not worried he'll just take whoever he thinks better. He's not worried what the media thinks. What the scouting community thinks like. He's scouted both guys in high school. He's watched their career if he did believe justin fields as better he would take that guy. I don't think he will. I think he will take trevor lawrence. But i thought going into night if justice fields could have a historic night for five or six touchdowns and they win. Who knows that clearly did not happen. So i think that discussion for the number. Two quarterback between justin fields between wilson between trae lance is going to be something we discussed at you know on for a long time over the next three and a half months. It's going to be a major talking point. It's going to be something that we throw into the ring and it just keeps getting talked about keeps getting talked about and keeps getting talked about. And you're gonna see some of these anonymous quotes coming out from different teams. I'm sure the people. I know in the league. I'll get different different opinions on. Who likes who you just. Field is a much bigger stronger. Athlete than zack. Wilson like devante. Smith zack wilson. Waste two hundred pounds. There is not one starting quarterback in the nfl. that doesn't minimum wage to ten cuyler the small size. He's like ten. Most of the guys are like two twenty five to thirty leak and you saw what happened to cuyler. He got slammed into the turf about midseason. He was never the same. It's why people tend to lean bigger gas right other than that. I don't really know what else to say. I as i told you. I thought alabama has become the rehab the betty ford for coaches it change lanes life. It just sent sark to the university of texas and of all reports that came out earlier today. Billy o'brien is going to go to alabama welcomed of course rehab billio and i would imagine a couple years wall. Forget about the disaster. That was the texans and what will remember our remember when that guy went to the playoffs. Four different times. One is division several different times. Remember that guy that took over for joe paterno after the jerry. Sandusky scandal in went eight and four with mccloy nez quarterback. Remember when billy o'brien was highly thought of. That's what happens when you go to save in rehab. He takes you in. You kick the shit out of whoever you're playing because you have better players and you have neck buyer side and then a couple of years later. Everyone watching that happened lane. It happened to sark. It's going to happen to billy o'brien and nothing like alabama rehab. I mean this is the betty ford for coaches and bill bill. O'brien it's going to change his life back to the better because right now he does have some toxicity around him. He there's a negative connotation when you say bill o'brien just like you did when he wins. Nick hired lane just like sark when he originally went to alabama. Nick basically takes you into shower scrub jawf. Put a ring on your finger and you get a bunch of nfl guys who you know vouch for you and boom you're gone. It's really that easy so my main takeaways the number one thing. You're gonna hear what devante smith is going to be as wait. He weighs one hundred sixty six to one hundred and seventy pounds small waddell. There is a very good chance if all of his medical checkout he's gonna go above devante smith in the draft. He's bigger faster stronger. You gotta be careful sometimes production. I'm hanging nothing away. From devante smith that guy that was one of the most dominant. I have in sports. I've ever seen any sport any level that was insane. That was nuts and justin feels. You know. I think he's going to be a highly debated player. I really do. I like him. I think he's pretty raw. But i've seen guys like josh allen like there's a reason the nfl's the big leagues man. There really is the coach elite. You don't even have to pretend to go to kamwana one or business two. Oh to none of that shit matters. It's about learning and improving as a football player. Now you could argue that. Ohio state and alabama. They find out either. But i'll promise you when you get around the jags or the jets or the vikings. It's just football football football football so you take a guy like justin fields who loves football. Who has the physical attributes. He just needs to put it together. He needs to get coach. higher level. Listen is ryan day. Good coach yes. Is he going to keep ohio state rolling of course do i think that he's teaching him. Is he getting the best ability. Like justin fields. Is he around the flight guy to make them the best. Nfl quarterback right. Now he's not would he have been better off. he was planning alabama. Yes would've will he be better off the moment. I mean i guess it depends who drafts him right. Coaching matters but more than likely whether it's the offensive coordinator quarterback coach of the head coach. He'll be around the best coach. He's ever been around right if whoever joe. Douglas hires who knows the redskins washington football team wherever he ends up he is going to be better off. I think he's going to be a better pro than he was a college player and he was clearly a very very good college player. But to me. I've just i've learned my lesson the last couple of years. I'm leaning the guy with the physical tools that has the high character in wants to work. I really am. I see justin fields. It's different but i see the herber. The alan i put them in that mold talent. I want to mold the talent and you watch. 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But i try to look forward and luckily there's a lot of breaking news. Did a huge story. That happened on monday. And doug peterson being out and the philadelphia. Eagles now have are going to embark. I would imagine a coaching search. I think there's a decent chance that they have an idea. I don't have any inside information on this. But you probably don't fire doug a week after the season without having a shortlist of guys that you think will either be your coach or that you that you want to talk to and higher. Because i i think this boils down pretty clearly. What happened and again. No inside information. I don't when it comes to shady stuff i don't really tax and ask about it because i'm going to have to talk about it and if i don't i'm not a news breaker now. A lot of my opinions are based on things that i know. We're going on. But when i go right to a source when something weird is going on like some drama like in philly if i ask hey what happened not even. There's no guarantee that i'd get the information. But if i do then i can't talk about it so i don't know anything. I can. Just give my kind of unfiltered opinion of what happened. I don't think this one's that complicated. When you have a business and you invest the majority of your resources into thing that thing becomes the most important thing in your business and whoever's running your business better be able to take advantage of where all your money or resources have been invested and when it comes to the nfl and specifically the philadelphia eagles. The i mean by four. The most they've ever spent on one individual in terms of draft capital in terms of the way they built their team and then in terms of actual financial capital which they paid them is carson wentz so they trade all these picks to get him they then build around him and then they pay him. He's also been injured several times so they've rehabbed as well. They have put all their chips in the middle of the table from day. One now you can say. John well they have to the second round. Yeah i mean. I i don't i wouldn't have done it but clearly there was. They thought there was value there. But it doesn't change the fact that carson still makes an astronomical amount of money into acquire carson wentz. They had to trade a bunch of picks. So the they've got all in and you can say well middlekauff. What about sunk costs. We still on the team and still plays a position that's really important and like carson wentz if you can fix them which will be the number one job of the next head. Coach is the most important asset you'll ever have because jalen hurts does not have the talent the carson wentz s. That's not even argue physically. They're in a different category. That doesn't mean right now. Jalen hurts isn't the better player. But you gotta find a way to figure out carson and when the stories came out the last couple of weeks about carson wentz and doug peterson that was not ideal because when you pay that much money you aren't just going to trade him. It doesn't make any sense so you could be like well who really lead the carson wentz story if it wasn't carson wentz people in carson liked doug it behooved him to say something he passed on all the media opportunities with the eagles he would not talk to the press and to you know the great part about two thousand and twenty as a player. I don't need the media. They are they can make their own stories. But guess what i can do. I can control my own narrative. I can control my own stories. I could easily tweeted out. It's me and doug have a very good working relationship. These stories are not true. I do not want to be traded or whatever. He could've easily did that. He chose not to so. I think it's fair to assume the carson wentz and doug peterson do not are not in good standing. So if you're jeffrey loria and you go i know the twitter and social media thinks he's gonna get traded it makes no sense to trade carson wentz to take the the massive cap it unless you could get like three first rounders well based on what we just saw carson wentz in what world is he worth that he might still be differently. Still worth a one but it doesn't make sense for the eagles to just trade him for first round. Pick so you have to ask yourself well of wentz is going to be on the team and it does feel like they chose doug peterson or they chose carson wentz over. Doug peterson which in my opinion is the right move. Because the health of the franchise much more slowly in getting carson wentz figured out then it does like doug. I could find another coach. I like doug and he just hasn't been good last couple of years. Does that mean you deserve to be fired. Jeffrey larry talked about. It's not about deserved or not. it's just simply about. This is a black and white situation. We have a quarterback who's basically fucked up who can't get the job done who's playing like crap and we're paying. We haven't even really started paying a lot of money so we better get this figured out in doug peterson and their relationship is not only fractured. But carson doesn't want to work with them anymore. Doug are you gotta go. He's the first player to kind of lead the charge on something like this and he definitely won't be the last like this the way pro sports work. You can't in situations like this. Fire the player so doug goes now. You have to look at it go. Is the eagles gig a good job. And i think you could argue. Yes it is. Because you're inheriting a quarterback who is at an all time low so anytime you take a job. I'd say an any industry. What what are the expectations and right now. The eagles expectations are low. Just based on that carson wentz's in shambles so if you can get carson wentz on the right track you'll immediately be viewed as a genius as a really good coach but just the way it works fair or not if whoever comes in and makes carson wentz the starter which he is the starter. I know he didn't start at the end of the season and he plays well. That guy immediately gets credit and that guy gets known as like an offensive guru. That's just the way this whole thing works so that to me you're coming in. We're expectations are low. And a guys that rock and as a wise man once told me when you find yourself in a whole. Do you know how to get out. You drop the shovel. So basically the eagles in their minds. Just drop the shovel. They think they're at rock-bottom. Now you're getting the guy to come fix carson. Well here's the problem. They have another guy. Jalen hurts who i've been told him and carson don't have a good relationship that doesn't work. I think every quarterback on television talked about it does not work so you have to go. Well if you want me to you know bring up carson wentz healthy to have jalen hurts around and the eagles are probably not just going to trade jalen hurts. So can you function in a quarterback room would jalen hurts and carson wentz. Now the old school just asshole in me would say carson suck it up. Don't worry about it. You're you should easily beat them out. If you're a max quarterback a guy that was a second rounder that probably most teams had in the fourth or fifth round and many scouts not was a running back. You should be able to beat them out. But that's easier said than done. He still there and there are probably a lot of younger players on that team that gravitated toward jalen and separated from carson. And then there's some of the guys on the team that have had success around carson wentz. We're not going to be there anymore. Zach ertz will not be an eagle any longer. Kelsey probably won't be an eagle any longer. There's going to be a lot of turnover on this roster. It's why i always laugh when i hear like. Is he lose the locker. Room the turnover. Nfl rosters like thirty to forty percent. So yeah i mean maybe a couple of players are mad look at society. We get over things pretty fast now. We're just onto the next thing. I don't think putting in. Nate sud failed in a game against the who were. They playing to washington. Football team is was gonna make or break doug peterson but the relationship with carson wentz did so now the next coach to me the job if you carson wenches salvageable. It's a very good job because he does have a lot of talent. If you don't or they tell you well we're not going to get rid of jalen either. It can be a difficult job because you've got to. You got one guy. Just find himself. You have another guy that jalen looks at carson wentz and just thinks he's better and how should he not in his time being around carson wentz. He's a better player. He's not a more talented player but he was better on the field yet. The investment and everything that the eagles have done say they're going to go back to carson wentz. So it's a complicated job but it's a city that gives a shit about football at a really really high level. It really matters. It's a big boy job and that's also can be a deterrent. Like some people might not want that some people do. it's just that division is just a spotlight division. Even when they're terrible the nfc east moves the needle. Unlike most divisions in the number one sport in america mainly because of market sizes right new york. Washington dallas philly. I don't know where they go. I would be shocked if they don't go offense. But like i said doug peterson is out because of carson wentz. There's no way around it okay. Let's let's dive into. Sean mcveigh and i was anyone that does deep dives on youtube. The way algorithms work once you start watching one thing they start funneling you different things that are kind of related to that. And sometimes i'll go on like a deep dive of the interviews like joe rogan howard. Stern just interesting people and i ended up on the silvester stallone interview. I think with howard stern and he told this story. How in one thousand nine hundred seventy five or whatever. Before the first rocky movie came out he had written the movie rocky and one of the studios had offered him. I think like almost four hundred thousand dollars. And this is in the mid seventies. i i did the inflation calendar or calculator and that was beat equivalent. Like one point six million dollars right now in sly was like. I didn't have any money. But i turned it down and howard was like why'd you turn it down. He's like they would not let me act in the film. They wouldn't let me be rocky. In part of this film was me being rocky and finally they they like capitulated. And said like yeah. Listen we will give you the funding for the movie. You have thirty days to shoot it in. You can be rocky so he turned it down because this it to me. What separates people in this in. This life is just some people just have a deep belief in himself because he was even like listen. There was no reason people my agent all these people around me your like sylvester. Are you insane. They're offering three hundred and seventy five thousand dollars for your movie or three fifty or whatever it was in. You're saying no just you can't be in it your immediate rich guy. But he had this deep belief in himself like it wasn't even about the money. It was about my vision. It was about what i knew i could do. It was about what i knew i wanted to do. And that takes balls man because most people humans take the easy way out. Because i think a lot of people just in life don't have that much conviction. They really don't they just kind of float and silvester salone headed deep conviction. Changes life right. You never looked back. And i gotta give this other guy a lot of credit and i'm not necessarily compare and mcveigh to silvester sologne but i see some of that. Mindset and sean mcvay. This off season he told wade phillips to kick. Rocks said no moss. My man audio's he added deep belief in what he wanted. And there's a guy that's thirty four years old the nfl with higher brandon. Staley who. I've been kind of hard on just because i thought the media was blown like over the top unless his defense has been fantastic. It is dramatically better this year than it was last year. Their defense is dominant. And i gotta give mcvay credit for like no. We could be better. Would've been an easy route. Just keep wade phillips. No i want something better. He took a guy that's been a league for like four years. Got rid of wade phillips for then going into that game he started the dude from the af and i think most of us thought well goths fingers all messed up. He's got a broken thumb. Then right kickoffs going on. I'm having some beers on saturday and you look up and you go well. Jared goff's the backup whenever. I see a quarterback that isn't healthy enough to play in pads and the backup quarterback. My shit detector goes off. And i immediately red flagged the situation. I go whoa. He's healthy enough to play. Because if your quarterback in your dress your one snap away from playing every all the snaps that game. That could happen the first play. The game essentially did a couple of series in the kid gets knocked out. Jared goff came at aikman and buck alluded to it on. The broadcast mcveigh was over golf. He thought the guy from the af gave him a better chance to win. probably right. And then jared goth after the game told bike silver like it was really hard to deal with. Basically i got benched frank. I was healthy enough to play because as we saw he was a mcvay. Went with the other guy. Mcveigh's belief deep down in. What he knows is right or what his gut tells them. And then the balls in the stones the conus to go with it is really impressive because that game to me of all the browns kick the crap out of the steelers but like rothlisburger couldn't have been any worse. I mean rosberg was throwing the ball to the other team. Threw four interceptions in two of them like the blink of an eye. Just air mailing guys. So it's like yeah. The browns beat him but the steelers were like played a part in that. I'm not trying to diminish the browns win. It was an impressive win. But when you play rothlisburger who is going to be that terrible any team. The league's going to beat them in the browns are good team. Seattle went in or excuse me l. a. witness seattle with mcveigh with this coordinator. Whose first year is already getting head coaching interviews with the dude from the af with the mindset. We're gonna kick the crap out of you. And when the dust settled in that game ended my takeaway was sean mcvay just took pete carroll out behind the dugout on the playground and took him to the woodshed kicked his but absolutely worked them and this guy for a younger coach in this league has such a deep belief in what he's doing and what he wants out of his football team and like the vision. It's really impressive. I couldn't have been of all the games this week. And i went away from thinking. Listen i must sean mcvay. i'm a fan. He's really grown on me. Everyone i know that knows them swears by them and loves them. That was impressive. I know they have fans. But like everything about sean. Mcvay gets credit for the defense part of being a good head coach. Do you know what that a encapsulates hiring your staff. It's like i say all the time about being a gm it's more than just the draft. It's free agency. It's hiring a head coach. It's dealing with your scouting department. It's running the back end of your roster. It's doing you know being by side on the same page as your head coach. Being a head. Coach of the team is more than just calling place. It's about preparing your team. It's about preparing your assistant coaches. It's about whatever side of the ball. You are typically on making sure the best possible coach is a coordinator on the other side of the ball. It's about making tough decisions by. I know it's easy for us to say you know. Just bench goff. He's the highest paid player. Like one of them in the league history he was a number one overall. Pick in the draft. And it's not like his backup is some former top pick. The backup was in the afc months ago. So i i gotta give mcvay a lot of credit. It takes balls to do things when everyone's saying you know. I probably just keep wade. Phillips would have been easy to start jared goff. If he was physically able to play the easy route would have been for slide sell rocky for three hundred sixty five grand in one thousand nine hundred ninety six immediately. He's a super rich guy now. That's that's not what the wasn't the plans for. Either one of those guys so mad props mcvay for going up to seattle and just you carol listen. He's been multiple super bowls. He has he has a ring. He's won national championships like his resume. Over the last twenty years beside like bella check urban. Meyer sabin andy is sean payton. There aren't many guys in the sport of football that can compare and not even thirty five years old absolutely worked them. Geico knows there many reasons why you ride from the exciting adventure of the daily commute to the peace of mind that gyco always has your back with twenty four seven access to claim service and legendary customer service but pamela. Monday had one reason in particular. 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Brady and i think the conventional wisdom after his time in new england last year and they got bounced in the first round of the playoffs. Was you know if tom brady was a stock. I would short him. And i know my hand would have to be raised. I would have shorted. Tom brady last year. He's forty two forty three years old eventually is going to fall off a cliff pan. Tom brady fifty million dollars the bucks did i know they had a bunch of offensive firepower. Probably not going to work out especially that seamlessly. I didn't see it. I know in my own backyard. Tom brady reached out to kyle. Shanahan and john lynch said guys i want in so i want to be a forty niner. The team i grew up watching. Can i be your quarterback. And then they thought about it for a couple days. They had internal meetings just like you know you have internal meetings and scouting about trading for practice squad. Guys you know about back end roster guys let alone high end guys so it's not i bet a lot of teams in the nfl. At meetings about tom brady the difference. Was tom brady told them. I want to come. And they decided you know what we're going to go with jimmy garoppolo a year later. They made the wrong decision. And i thought they were right. I said i would've kept jimmy. Garoppolo to jimmy garoppolo misses more than ten games. The niners go six and ten because they gotta play mullins and cj beathard and they should have had they should just if they could do that over again they would have said. Yes tom you can. And we'll trade jimmy garoppolo now. Jimmy garoppolo trae values now and i would imagine a lot of teams. That could have sniffed around on. Tom brady you know it was easy for the bucks right. James was throwing felt like eighty to eighty interceptions. Every game. felt like he was thrown a pick six or an interception driving and that's they went seven nine so it wasn't that difficult decision for them but i think a lot of people thought you know we'll see kind of old. I know me. I was like you know. I think they're going to get better with time. But i don't know man. I bet against older people in pro sports. I bet against old people in life because typically having more wisdom can help you out and tom brady. Clue is a lot of wisdom and then they showed the picture in that washington game of him next to george blanda for like the nineteen. I think it was nineteen seventy. Who was at the time the oldest quarterback to ever start a playoff game. He was like forty two or forty three years old too and he looked like he was sixty years. Sixty five and i was watching the challenger dock within the last couple of weeks. I highly recommend it for me. I think the challenger went off in eighty six. I was born in eighty four. I don't remember that moment. And i know i tweeted it out like god that had to be one of the crazier moments in the history of tv and a lot of people are tweeden at me like yeah washing my fifth grade class. I washed my fourth grade class. I'll never forget it and it was just. It was a powerful documentary and there are also things like it was. It was four. It's a really good watch. But one thing that really stood out to me was how old and the crew of like some of the teachers and people that were going to go on the challenger couple of them were like thirty five to thirty eight. And i was like god. That guy looks like he's fifty and listen my parents my dad's along here but they were both born in the forties and like when they were growing up. What you'd eat for breakfast or excuse me lunch. Like burger and shake like you get a burger and shake now like we faster breakfast and eat salads at lunch like health is just a big part of society. Think about if. You're my age older. When i was growing up every single car you went into had a cigarette lighter and a cigarette ashtray cigarettes. Were just a huge part. Of like. When i picture of george blanda in just people in the nfl and people at all sports. They were just smoking. Smoking cigarettes nonstop. If you've seen the previews for the new. Al davis thirty for thirty. They're talking about like pete roselle at our enemies and then they go to pete rozelle about to start a press conference. He lights up a cigarette like cigarettes. Just not good for you. Like the evidence is in not good. And i think in asia in brady the agent techniques and listen. He's got some work done. Some people were tweeting at me. Like watching the game with my wife because they showed a picture of his head and as a bald guy like you could tell like he's had hair transplants like newsflash people. That are rich. Get work done. What what the point of being rich and not looking good and your forties and fifties like the game's changed so i don't hold it against anyone who knows maybe one day i'll get some work done. I'm not opposed to it. If you could give me flowing locks my hair on my head. Maybe i would. I don't know i'm not. I'm not like trying to crush people to get a face lift or whatever but i'm sure he has just part of the deal but here's the one thing that never slipped with brady. His game never changed. Like rothlisburger is burger is shot now. He can still function but he can't move anymore. A huge part of rothlisburger game was moving around. He can't do that anymore. He's just a stiff in the pocket. Guy who's arm isn't as strong of course. Is that a strong. Tommy john last year and unlike some pitchers that come back through harder. He's thirty nine years. Old breeze also shocked. His arm was never great. Like i always compared to a baseball pitcher if he was throwing like ninety miles an hour in the mid. Two thousand ten. That was like its peak. In in his heyday. He's throwing like eighty five so his margin for error is nothing both those guys rothlisberger breeze probably should be like. They're all just like tom. But the major difference. When i look at tom compared to those guys. Tom's arm like in. Tom's heyday throwing like ninety six ninety seven. Well if tom at forty three was a baseball pitcher he's probably still throwing ninety three. You can get guys out with ninety three especially when you factor in the weapons. He has godwin evans antonio brown and gronk and break like they got dudes and a coach that likes to throw it so the more and more they've thrown he's been good and then you look at his stats this year. He he's four touchdowns he threw for three hundred eighty yards against a really good defense on the road in the playoffs like trump's physical skills because he could never run remember combine felt like he ran like seven forty he had that picture when he was all dumpy and droopy and he's really slow his games always been just about his arm and his arm. Unlike those two guys is still not far away from when he was like one of the best players we've ever seen and he's still damn good but like that to me is a separating factor same with philip rivers who actually had a really good game. Philip rivers was not the reason that the colts lost. I think philip rivers though it was kind of the reason they were in that spot because he played shitty in the opening weekend. You know week one longtime ago but losing that game to the jags. Who i don't know went onto lose fifteen straight games. Was the difference between them going on the road to buffalo team arguably the hottest in the nfl and getting home playoff game like the titans. But the difference for the coles at home you get to play in a. Don't it's a big advantage for quarterback not throwing the ball outside. And i think when you look at all those guys relative the tom because they're all their little younger than top but they're all they're in that generation right rivers rothlisberger. Brees tom. toms the best one by four out of that crew. When you look at breeze rothlisberger in and rivers. What do all three of them have in common. They all have teams. That are pretty stacked the saints. I mean that team. Subtract the quarterback top to bottom is excellent good wide receivers star running back good offensive line. Really good defense. What are the colts have really good defense. Good offensive line. They can run the ball. They got offensive weapons. What are the steelers. Have a bunch of wide receivers excellent defense so like the tampa to me. Had the most question marks of those three four organizations but if you place brady on anyone of those four teams obviously look at the bucks dramatically better. They make the playoffs for the first time in twelve years. They're now going to the saints. Which i'm going to pick the bucks this week. I can't see them losing for third time. But if i if. I put him on the colts. If i put him on the steelers were put on the call they would just be better now. Obviously historically brady is a better player over a long course of his career. But i think a lot of people including myself thought in two thousand and twenty one or two thousand and twenty season slash. Twenty one. I didn't think brady was gonna be this good. He's been damn good. And that's the issue for all these other teams. And the you bet. On these older quarterbacks specially guys with weaker arms. It's january it really is and that's where i think if you're pittsburgh you go. It's over. it's over. He had an incredible career. He's a hall of famer first ballot hall of famer office per but the moment he loses his mobility in his arms. Not the same like his value. Drops precipitously breeze. His style hasn't really changed. he's just not near as good even a die. Hard saints fan. You guys have to agree that it's just it's not quite the same in your team is loaded absolutely loaded. I've had multiple advanced scouts of all the teams in the nfc. This was going into the playoffs. If all the quarterbacks were equal the saints would be the best team clearly. That's not the way it works. And that's why the packers right now. The top seat. But the packers minus the quarterback position relative to the saints saints are better clearly. The quarterback matters a lot in the nfl to teams the number one. Eight in the saints that listen. I thought playing against the bears who were not good. That game was really close for a long period of time. I don't think that great. That's why i think we'd all sign up down for rogers to play brady in the nfc championship game. And if you're the packers you feel good about playing anybody but the last guy you want to see is. I don't know the greatest cold weather quarterback in history of the league. So it's like the packers. Greatest advantage is two things that's rogers and two. It's like we got homefield advantage. Lambeau really cold well. Tom brady lives the play cold weather. Games disclosure is pitcher. Tom brady what do you think about january games at foxboro when it's fifteen degrees it's foggy it's wet and he's screaming. Let's fucking go at the sideline after they score touchdowns. That's what i think of. So i just keep my fingers crossed. We get brady. We get rogers. We get lambeau and it's got a chance to be really pretty cool. You get brady playing breeze and then potentially brady playing. Rogers i think you know the rams have some injuries i think the packers are gonna be able to get. We'll dive into the games more. Come friday but it's got a chance to be like this is pretty special. Listen to this you love you. Love the nfl. I talk about this like part of it. Is there some nostalgia. You just kind of football history happing in real time brady brees rogers potentially then playing like a mahomes. Got this cool. Okay i want to give an observation from this weekend. Something that really stuck out to me and listened. There's nothing you can do all these teams. Could they would have fans that. Would that includes all the west coast teams in any the bears the patriots any of these teams that are not allowed to. It's out of their control. A state by state basis. And i speak the team down. The niners got kicked out of the state. The rams the chargers fans seattle no fans for the first time. The nfl played this season. Because you have to play to keep the business going you could not take a year off too. Many people the businesses to connected with television. They had no choice and they played and they powered through it as best they could have and i think they kind of set the bars the nba fallen apart. Right now be. They can't even function the nfl had some issues. But for the most part. Pretty seamless. And i've always said from the jump. It's going to be the easiest league to do for two full one in the nfl. You earn your money by playing inside the nba. Where kyrie's like. yeah. I'm just gonna go away for a couple of weeks. He keeps getting paid. That does not work in the nfl. You don't show up. You won't get paid in to the nature of the sport coaches tell you what to do and you listen. That's not the way it works like you think guy making forty million dollars in baseball. Listen to the manager does whatever he wants. We know the nba players. Don't give a shit with their coaches thing in football like you your couch whether he's right or wrong it's just it's the nature of the hierarchy of the way the thing works and i noticed it in the seattle rams game and i'm not blaming seattle at all because if they could they would have had fans they're not allowed to that game didn't feel playoff now it might be. I'm used to watching those teams play. They play twice a year. I consume a lot of nfc west football. But i noticed a big difference in the games this weekend for the franchises that were allowed fans and the ones that weren't allowed to have fans there is to be said and i've said about the other sports too. I am not going to hold anything against any team. That wins a corona championship. The lakers did it. And the dodgers did it. It's like dustin. Johnson one a master's with no fans like you are playing your competition in the same scenario that we're all battling the same thing. Everyone you're competing against your. It's an even playing field that day. The rams no everyone is on the same page but there is something to be said about a place like seattle which is really loud. The jared goff doesn't have to worry about the noise just like you saw on the nba bubble. No fans no noise. There's something to be said about going into a hostile environment and that doesn't exist so you really feel it in these playoff games. That honestly felt a little regular season to me now. It doesn't mean guys weren't trying it doesn't mean that like i said i'd give john mcvay a lot of credit for going to win that game. Obviously in russ were trying desperately to win that game. It just didn't feel like it should felt and there's nothing you can do about it. These are the cards we've been dealt. But i do think. A huge part of playoff football is the atmosphere. It's why you get so much credit wins. Like you know ally. Manning win the lambeau and beat them ally. Manning went into candlestick and beat. Jim harbaugh right. Aaron rodgers went into seattle years ago in beat or i guess they lost seattle. But you know what. I'm saying. I'm just thinking of kirk. Cousins went into new orleans and won a road playoff game. We're like damn got it done on the road. That's really really difficult. Even the buffalo scenario. Can you imagine the crazy cuomo allowed. Sixty seven hundred people and if that place whatever that place feels forty five thousand fifty thousand whatever. You wouldn't have been able to hear last sunday night and the pittsburgh game when they were down twelve in the third quarter and they're kind of making their many little comeback and they got the ball back down to scores. Think out loud that place would have been but it doesn't exist. It's just fake crowd noise. So i i love football and i talk about it for a living. It puts food on my table. But i think we need to acknowledge that at least for me as a consumer. It felt a little different. It really did and the nfl's trying to different things. They put a broadcast on nickelodeon. They're definitely trying to attack the youth smart business they would love to put fans and all these stands is just. It's not possible so if you're a road team this year you know if you are the ravens going into the bills. I know they six seven hundred fans. But that's still not fifty five if you're the browns going to the chiefs and they're allowed fans that's probably a bad example but the packers wanna fans if you're the rams like this is a unique opportunity to take advantage of you hear your own cadence when you're at the line that's not normal not normal at all. Do you know loud. It would be for tampa going into the to the superdome this week it would be deafening rogers early this year. The superdome got them to jump off sides on hard count. Because there's no one there is. This isn't normal. So if i'm a coach i'm desperately trying to take advantage of this situation because winning road playoff games is not easy. One thing that happens. I guess just with your friends with family. Would just people in your life is that you like or care about or have close relationships with a lot of time. I realized is spent arguing now in a healthy way right. We're all probably on several text chains. You know if if you like sports which if you're listening to this podcast i'm sure you do. You probably got into it because of a father. A grandpa an older brother. And you've spent a lotta time over the years arguing about players. We do it with movies. We do it with restaurants and it can go on forever most arguments that we get into in life don't have like black and white ending right. Everything is subjective. You see it nonstop with politics and you can argue till you're blue in the face your opinions your opinion. It usually doesn't change and no different in sports. But the best part about the actual games is we get an actual outcome and one of my favorite sports arguments always is the draft right. Who was the best draft pick and in the two thousand eighteen draft which is really polarizing. You can have an answer of multiple different guys right. Lamar jackson had clear lead after last season. Josh allen has thrown his hat in the ring and baker mayfield who felt dead has now resurrected his career this year and he has as many playoff wins. Both those guys. All of them won their first playoff game. Lamar jackson josh. Allen and baker mayfield. Now we're going to be able to argue till we're blue in the face in the short-term whoever wins the josh allen the mar- game and baker were to upset the chiefs. Obviously things will change but really for these arguments to have a concrete finality. We won't be able to do for a decade. Potentially if these guys stay healthy and play in the league for a long time. But this weekend is massive. I've been saying for a while. I think josh allen if you polled the thirty two. Nfl gm's the overwhelming majority. Would take josh allen. If you could pick either of the three guys and hell. Sam darnold who. I think we all think might not be that good who knows what if in like five years if they get a good coach. The jets are going in the playoffs. And he's really good so the only guy we know that isn't any good at least viewed from the league. Is josh rosen. And then cal. She hand just signed him. So who knows you know if anyone could just save maybe put a career back on the train back on the tracks. It'd be kyle. Would josh rosen. But i'm not holding out hope so listen. We can argue. Who makes the best sandwich who makes the best pizza. We can argue. What movie is the best in. Whatever genre and we can do the same thing with these quarterbacks. Lamar jackson individually is accomplished. More than any of these guys right. He won an mvp last year. But we judge. I personally judge you on how you play in the biggest games and he's been a little hit or miss. I give them. Credit played winning football in that titans game had a bad pick but ran for one hundred forty yards through for another seventy was good josh allen. I thought was exceptional against the colts and baker. Mayfield a little harder to judge. He's playing really well. They had a twenty eight point lead and he did everything they possibly asked him to. He was good but like he didn't have to impact the game as much because rothlisberger was just throwing it away. And i'm not gonna like if baker is a great game. The thing with quarterbacks like you can have a good game that your defense off especially when you're playing patrick mahomes and you can lows. I do think whoever plays better between josh allen. Lamar jackson to me. That's the best game this upcoming weekend. Is the ravens at the bills. I wish that it was a full house. Place would be rocking and rolling and josh allen and lamar jackson right now on a different level than baker. And i'm not trying to listen talk shit about baker. He's had a much better season than i envisioned him. Having and he's. I thought it was a question whether they pick up his fifth year option. Now that that question's he's gonna get fifth year option picked up now. Is he a franchise quarterback. I still think there's a lot of information we need to learn. Is josh allen. A franchise quarterback yes is lamar jackson. A franchise quarterback. Yes but to me. Before i give them like one hundred and forty million dollars. I'd like to see him. Not be so dependent on running the ball. And when i say that obviously one of his best attribute is running the football right. He is faster than everyone every time he steps on the field but to win big in the playoffs. Which the ravens wanna do which the bills wanna do you have to win on second and third and long what happens on second and third and long now occasionally lamar can just take off and run most of the time you gotta sit back there and throw a strike. I know josh allen can do it. Lamar in theory can do it. He just hasn't done right. Lamar has a strong enough. Accuracy has been a major question more so the great part about sports is once the games actually happened. Especially when josh allen. Playing lamar jackson and the ravens team is excellent. The bills team is excellent. So like whoever wins. That game is gonna get a lot of credit right wrong. That's just the way this stuff works and baker. he's a major underdog to the chiefs. No one expects them to win. I think he's just done a good job of just getting his reputation back and being viewed as a legitimate. Nfl start or now and that probably wasn't the case like eight weeks ago. I think that's the case right now. The other guys are dealing with stardom. Like they are. Judge allen's already been report is going to get a max contract extension lamar jackson. I think it's a little more complicated. Might take is. I wouldn't pay him yet now if he rattled off win this weekend. And then beats the chiefs and they're in the super bowl. Maybe i would rethink now. I'm not saying the ravens are looking to get rid of them they. Obviously you can't upgrade. But before i give a guy a one hundred and thirty million dollars now you'd say what the hell were the the rams doing the eagles both team. I regret the money. They gave their quarterbacks. But i'd like to feel good about the guy throwing the football. I just can't wait for this game. And i can't wait to just get some early. The races early. Get some clarity on where we stand in this. Two thousand eighteen quarterback class argument. Okay here. here's what i'm gonna do. I had a little late change of heart after recording this little late i'm going to do a mailbag basically all the questions of my instagram. At john middlekauff eminent. Put it up on youtube. So we'll do this on friday all answer some questions here but this week some questions that of answering them right now. I'm gonna put them up on my youtube channel. John middlekauff just go. Look it up and i put like daily stuff up there. But i'm gonna put just a qna of just banging through these instagram questions. I'll i'll fifteen or twenty and we'll just go through them so we'll just we'll in the show right now just because become tired. Wanna go to sleep. It's kinda late and yeah so youtube. John middlekauff just search. It have zone page and i will have. Qna up there sometime on tuesday so it'll be up there and they'll be other content up there as well so yeah have a great week and i will all see. Y'all actually. i won't see anybody. Because this is the podcast. 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Divisional Round Recap & Conference Finals Preview

The ThomaHawk Show

39:18 min | 4 months ago

Divisional Round Recap & Conference Finals Preview

"Coming up on today's show. Now we just just play the net. Welcome to the award. Winning tomahawk show. It is edge. Joined by joe. Thomas as you can hear what emotions had which i feel like. It's the state of a lot of people who are fans of the cleveland browns. Joe how you doing today man. I'm doing pretty good. You know the further away from game day that we get the more. I feel very satisfied. I would say is maybe the the emotion that i'm feeling the most with how far the browns have come throughout the season And how they did in the postseason really. Nobody gave him a chance to beat the steelers. They smoked the steelers which was just so beautiful. And so sweet and then they game the best effort against the chiefs in really the. Don't go too far it to a if you're listening on the show if you've been living under a rock find us on social media at tomahawk show across all platforms Yeah so before we get into deep dive into the cleveland. Browns game season state of the franchise all of the above Make sure you like it. Subscribe me joe. Still trying to figure out what our schedule will be for the remainder of the season but we have a lot of fun call. So we're on a little bit of a roll here three weeks in a row three shows you love it. We love it. Let's keep that going got fat net in the building fatten. That how're you doing today. I'm doing well today. Actually woke up feeling good owner dangerous ignore. the warriors. Beat the lakers. But whatever amazing but we won't get into that we will not get into that. I it was wildcard or was divisional round weekend. And we're gonna save the best for last. We're going to start off just top line. Joe what what from. This past weekend of playoff games stood out to you. Well the big thing that stood out was drew brees and maybe not performing at the level. We kind of all expected and then what happened after the game where. He sort of retired but hasn't officially announced his retirement. So i think just being able to see brady brees one more time for the people that watched of which i didn't because of so bitter about what happened at the browns game so i kind of watch it like you know the movie seen a bunch of time. That's on tv in the background. Like i watched a little bit. I saw some plays. But i wasn't dialed in like a usually will Will be. But i think that was probably outside of the browns chiefs game that was a big takeaway for me. I think i got really excited thinking about bills chiefs after the of the browns loss. I think that's going to be a really exciting matchup. Especially if patrick mahomes is able to get back. Because josh allen is looking really really good like probably the third best quarterback in the nfl right now. The bills role in their defenses plan outstanding football. They're like the one defense you say you know. They might be able to find a way to slow down. I'm not gonna say. Stop patrick mahomes and the chiefs offense but they might be able to slow them down and on the nfc saad. Aaron rodgers look at amazing davante adams best receiver in the. Nfl would love to hear your thoughts on that. They're scary right now. The packers are that that was my biggest takeaway. I'm like yo. They legit could win the super bowl. I mean i. I think it's gonna come down to mahomes plays. I think it's going to be a packers chiefs super bowl. I don't like to count brady out because he bald too. And i'm like getting into the game saints. I'm like there's no way you're gonna beat tom. Brady three games in a season right. It was crazy to saints. Did it twice. It was sad though was a sad ass. Moment watching drew brees walk off the field and then obviously the news Today from we're recording is that philip rivers retired to like they've been such staples in our football experience. Not just as players as fans like i remember the years. Those guys get drafted like you know hoping to play in the nfl one day and that kind of see them hanging up man. I don't know you shed a little bit of a tear. All the drew brees love and the walking off with the kids and stopped and looked back. Then pause 'cause you remember those moments for yourself or at least i do. You might not enough. I mean i wasn't carter off was able to jog off which you know in a weird sense. My brain was sort of accepting the fact that that might be the last time i walk or run off the field In the nfl. When i hurt my tricep. And from when i got to college. This is a brief story. the offensive lineman at wisconsin. Who are older than me. Always said one thing. We do always kind of like set. The meat ahead tone is. We always jog from drill drill and then we always jogged on and off the field no matter what that is who we are. That's like the standard right. You know everywhere you go. There's the standard whether it'd be the receiver room or grocery store or tomahawk show like you have a standard that you have to maintain and as an offensive lineman. You know that was kind of a good way to just get yourself going like. We jog onto the field. I feel better. I'm ready to go. Like i didn't want that. Wake up moment to be on. The ball got snapped And so after. I hurt my tricep. I don't think i've ever said it has said this before. But i wanted to make sure that i jogged off the field just in case it was the very last time i ever ran off and nfl field. So i jogged off with the triceps. If you ever see those videos of me jogging off with taylor lewan trying to like chase after me. The button say it's going to be okay man That's the reason why. Because i always wanted to jog on and off the field and you never know when it's going to be your last time but drew brees definitely look like he knew that was his last time and he was trying to soak it them. Yeah no i mean for the city of new orleans football fan like we're not even fans and it was like damn. It's kind of over you know to your point. You remember that from your when you were off the field or like mile. Last time i actually have a five minute monologue of me not for my last game. I kind of knew what was my last. It wasn't sure then. I decided to sign with the patriots as you know. Go into a crazy. One of the best offseason careers you've ever heard of. But am i going to my last practice with the patriots are recorded like a little. I was walking from the hotel to the field. And i. you know my knees are hurting. I'm like. I knew. I wasn't coming back so i opened my phone. A- and on the way down there are basically talked about feelings. I was feeling in that moment like your. This is my last. Football practice is thing. I've done my whole life. This is the only goal i've ever had in my life and on the other side of this video it'll be over you know. So maybe i'll released that what this episode which. I think. I'll probably do pretty well on social media. Yeah that that was a lot of foresight. Were you doing it. Here's the question. Are you a fake ass faker. Were you doing it because you knew that like five years from now you're going to have a lot of likes a lot of us or you're doing it because you're thinking you know someday this might be interesting for my kids to be able to like see through my eyes what i was experiencing when i decided to hang up or maybe both. I think it's more. Like if i was doing it for the views and stuff i would have released it already right. I'm not. I'm not that much of a content genius. I'm gonna give it five years past retirement to really know. I think it was just for me. It was like first time. Things have happened right like i remember signing my first contract and i remember the emotion that feel it. I knew what that felt like. But then there's other moments that are big whether it's good or bad but it's hard for me to like put myself back in their shoes because over time it just becomes your reality so out and i was like an understanding in this moment this could be. It is the last practices. The last time in my life. I'll be able to make a video on my way to football practice. I thought it would be cool to just voice my emotions and so i can look back and just think what might said. I was in at that time. It is funny that as time passes you remember the emotions you had but you don't remember how deep they were like. You remember you happy or sad or were worried. But you don't really feel it the same way you did the longer time passes which is kind of an interesting sidebar. But i i think the interesting thing with brees retiring and philip rivers retiring is that there was this whole generation. And i don't know if there's an official name for it but there was a lot of really frigging good standing in the pocket. Quarterbacks that came out of a ten year span let. Let's say it started with manning and brady and went through breeze and philip rivers and then eli manning and ben roethlisberger there was like what seven or eight guys. You could probably list if we did any prep for the show. You've come up with a very comprehensive awesome lists but they were all like the statue stand in the pocket. Classic pocket passer. Nfl quarterbacks and as time has passed there was a big gap between probably the last one was maybe like ally manning in two thousand and two and then there wasn't really any really great ones like that for a long period and then all of a sudden now. We have a totally different type of quarterback that everybody's looking for the patrick mahomes. The lamar jackson the quarterback that can beat you with his legs not necessarily just running the football but like getting outside the pocket and escaping pressure And so you wonder if game will ever come back full circle and want and desire those statuesque type quarterback but i think it's important for us to just kind of appreciate like how great those guys were in that generation and how that generation is gone now and we're watching kind of the last of them with radi really cause aaron rodgers isn't that generation and he's kind of a pocket one foot out but he's he's was like maybe the bridge before. There was the bridge right. Yeah he's like a little more. I say you could probably put Matt stafford and matt ryan into the statuesque but they haven't quite never reach those heights because they never been super bowl. Never got the super bowl and it's like they kind of ushered in the new era of like. Hey we want some late. Even justin herb. Who has a rocket right the rookie. Even he's mobile haven at six foot six or whatever he is a question Drew brees obviously first ballot hall of famer. He's got so many passing records Only one super bowl. Which i'm sure that's a big regret from him when he's gonna look back on it. Why he's not gonna be remembered in my opinion as as great as manning or brady. I think those are two guys you know that most people kind of think are the top three for sure. Maybe all time quarterbacks because of the number of super bowls that they want and breathe only was able to win one But with philip rivers never even played in a super bowl. Does he make the hall of fame in your opinion. Yeah i don't know man i. I was heavy on the philip rivers. Get in and then when he retired at my mom was like. Oh yeah. he's a hall of famer right. But i don't know i mean when you're stacking up just that's that's the interesting thing. 'cause here's here's the other point that you gotta understand. Matt stafford will likely have more passing yards than some of these guys. Depending on how long place right or matt ryan then that begs the question of it stats or is it. Super bowls like manning super bowl. It's in my mind eli is. He won the game twice. But if you just the numbers. I don't know you can make a case to say. Yeah they just played a very very long time. So i don't know i think philip rivers ever. Was he a top quarterback in the league in a year. It's a tough area to be that in you know. I think earlier on in his career when sandy was fourteen and two when norv turner was there like yeah really good. They got in the beginning of the playoffs several times but they were the best team in the afc for a little while And so. I think that plays into favor for him and i think also the fact that he was so competitive and he really was a guy that was known for his competitive spirit. More than these other guys. If you're going to just compare straight stats with matt. Ryan or matt stafford You know maybe at the end of the day those two guys i just mentioned are going to have better numbers than philip. Rivers across the board but moments in philip rivers his career. Stand out way more than those other guys Because of the game that philip rivers played with the tornado. Seattle and the back and forth battles. That philip had with the chiefs in the raiders. And how competitive you was. And how he was always that forefront guy that was talking the trash without any swears of course he was the last quarterback in san diego and he shuffled in the transition between the san diego chargers and la chargers. I think that plays into inform but you know it. It's funny when you talk about is guy hall of famer. Not it's not necessarily a binary choice yes or no. It's is he a hall of famer compared to the other guys that he's getting voted in with because to get an all fame you have to be one of the best six guys that are available in that year and it's easy for us to say. Yep he's all famer philip rivers. Yeah he's a hall of famer. But when all of a sudden now you're stacking him against charles woodson or do i freely or like these other guys at positions you say all those guys in your head you think they're hall of famer but it's hard to kind of parse who's better than who when they're not playing the same position but then at the same time you're saying well do we all these quarterbacks from the passing era in just because their numbers were so off the chart so it'll be interesting to kind of watch this and see where the voters kind of move five six years from now when these guys are eligible. We always say we're gonna just do a quick episode. Go along so. I'm going to try to keep us along hair so i want to get a definitive from you. Is philip rivers a hall of famer. Not before you say that i will say i think one way to think about it is did they dominate the games. They played were they in control of their games. And for philip rivers to your point he was the guy in control of the game right when he played well they want and it was like he was the x factor in those games. I don't know if. I feel that. Way about matt ryan or matt stafford right there. Good quarterbacks they're solid but were they in control of the game in their team's destiny. I dunno it's like damn marino. Dan marino people depending on who you ask. Because he's the best quarterback ever because when they watch them play. They knew who the guy was in charge. He can't go out there and tackle guys but he was the expecter in his game and even some of these new guys are like that as well. Like you know the lamar's patrick mahomes say what you want. But in the in the air they're now they are the factors again. I think that the determining factor along with six oh final thought. Joe is the end or is he not. I think he gets in and that persuasive argument you made right at the end that that's over the top. I love that. Because i remember playing against philip rivers like A bunch of times. when i was in cleveland. It seemed like we. I'll several times would finish in the same part of the afc as far as your ranking. So you get lined up the next season against them and he was the guy yet to stop and he had so many weapons that he was getting. The football to and everything went phillips. I i give him the thumbs up. I don't know if it'll be first ballot. It probably won't. I think you'll have to wait a couple years. But i think he gets in now interesting. Wannabe eli right you. I was like he's like inbetween us. When the playoffs happened it was him. He was the guy doing it right. So all right well. I think philip rivers gets in as well Looking forward to the nfc nfc nfc championships and again. We'll talk browns here momentarily. But who got. Gimme gimme picks for this weekend. Yeah i think these are great game honestly when you look at them breaking down. The nfl has got to feel really good. I think the nfl honestly would have felt a little better. With brown's bills because of those fan bases and the those two fan bases have gone through and the fact that. They're you know these rust belt cities with such great passionate followings finally getting back to potentially the super bowl but still patrick mahomes josh allen. That's pretty exciting. I don't care who yard. I don't care if you're not a big nfl fan. That's an exciting match up and Tom brady aaron rodgers on the other side. That's pretty exciting. To but as you kind of start breaking it down. I think as hot as aaron rodgers and matlock floors offense is in green bay. That is going to be really hard. For the buccaneers to stop. I know that the bucks have a very good defense. Aaron rodgers is just playing on a different level right now he was going to win the mvp and my opinion at the end of the regular season. And he somehow has craig that dial up another notch and looks. Just unstoppable right now. And even though tom brady since their bye week him and bruce arians have been on the same page. He's feeling much more comfortable. Throwing the ball to antonio brown and all those playmakers. He's really figured out a nice flow and a nice rhythm and his arm looks younger and healthier than a day early in the season which is like he's throwing those outside routes in those down the field passes better than he did early on in the season right now And so. I i think it's gonna be a fun battle. I don't think it's going to be very high scoring and be honest because sometimes cold weather because it'll be played in lambeau has a way of maybe limiting the number of points that get scored because the ball doesn't fly quite as well. The kicks are a little bit more difficult. Guys are running a little bit more slowly because your body just doesn't function that well when it's below freezing But i got green bay in that game and looking in the afc. I got the bills and other patty mohme's plays or not i think the bills are legitimate. Contenders with as great as their defense is playing with josh allens ability to convert third downs with his feet not only just running but to escape the rush and get outside and find stefan digs. I think that is a match up. That is going to be really difficult to beat. And here's one thing to think about. Even if patrick mahomes plays like his foot was banged up. I know people have talked about the concussion. And a nerve and whatever else but there's A lot of indication that he's got this toe injury that really was bugging him. He was struggling a little bit to move in the browns game even before he got hit on that option. Play that Mak wilson tackled him on And i think not practicing and then being a little bit limited mobility standpoint it severely limits. Who patrick mahomes is as a quarterback because he relies on his ability to escape the rush and wait for his guys to run downfield ridiculous distance and get them the football in half a second. Yeah i liked that. Take i do. I agree with you on the aaron rodgers when i think the buccaneers put up a good fight but ultimately i'm going with the packers on the other side though i don't i don't see it. Patrick mahomes plays. I mean and this is a good segue into the browns game right I don't see how they can stop this dude right and i banged up for even him at ninety percent is still be best quarterback in the game like watching the browns game. Now we'll go right into it. It was like as good as we were doing. Our strategy. whatever work there was a good. It was good. there was some things obviously. We'll take back at the end of the game. you know. The hindsight is twenty twenty thing but for patrick mahomes specifically. I'm like yo. We can't stop this dude. You know what. I'm saying like he's like you literally and i tweeted this. You had to play perfect the rest of the call a perfect game. Everyone has to be on their around him to to be able to best him. Because i mean it just looks so effortless when he needed whatever you are t needs he gets whatever throws the estimate he makes donald problem like. What do we need cool. I'll do this. And it was like that was his disheartening. But you know what he went down. I felt like the football gods were smiling a pot cleveland. It was really interesting to me. Because i was really fortunate. I was able to go. Sit in that stadium and arrowhead and watch the game and watch patrick mahomes up close and in person and i i kind of knew this was the strategy for most defenses. They're playing these deep cover. Twos to try to keep everybody in front of him. Because the one thing you don't want is nicole. Hardman tyreek hill to go run over copier safeties and score forty fifty seventy yard touchdown passes and you can't blitz patrick mahomes because one the andy reid. West coast system has a lot of quick answers. If you do try to blitz and everybody on that offense is really smart. And they're on the same page their understanding of who's the hot guy who has to break off and look for the football if there's an extra rusher that they can't block. Patrick mahomes is great at getting the ball. Because he's got those arm angles that no matter where the hands and the bodies are he can deliver it around over underneath him if he has to You can't let them and then on the other the other thing is if you try to blitz and play man coverage he's gonna escape for the most part and now you're trying to play man coverage for four and a half five seconds against tyree kill travis. Kelsey can't guard anybody in the nfl percents possible and and with his arm strength. Those guys all they have to do is run seventy yards down the field and there's no blade of grass that patrick andrew football so that's you can't blitz them so everybody plays his deep cover touts that's what the browns were trying to do. Occasionally you'll mix it up and play some different man's or some other versions of zone but for the most part you're trying to play deep. What happens is those dudes are so fast. Including travis kelsey that patrick drops back and they split down the field. I mean a lot of the stuff they're doing is running four verticals in deep vertical tribe routes which back though safeties baxter's corners up and it creates this horizontal and vertical stretching zone zone coverage underneath. We're travis kelsey turns around and he sits down and catches a twenty bullet from patrick mahomes because the windows are small. But when you throw the ball as hard as patrick mahomes does. He doesn't need a big window to be able to hit. A deep twenty are passed on the field. Where most guys don't have the arm strength to get it there before zones close and so it was like didn't take away swing to the running back for twenty yard game because everyone's running deep with the receivers. It was like it didn't matter what the browns did. He was going to get exactly what he needed. And honestly the the score was a little bit lopsided in the first half but they were limiting possessions. The browns had the ball three times in the first half. They were going to get the ball. I did get the ball first. And the second half. And even though they're abide. I was saying this is the pace of play that we want. It's like wisconsin basketball going against louisville back when they were the uptempo nine. I don't really watch that much college ball anymore. So i don't know of louisville still an uptempo up and down the court team but like wisconsin. We wanted to slow it down like the browns. They wanted to slow it down. They had that going on and baker got an opportunity the beginning of the second half to go down and score and cut the lead and make it that game that you wanted but unfortunately it was probably the worst. Play the game for him. He held onto the ball and through crosses body threw interception and made a longer scored along difference in score than than you wanted to. and like. We said you've got to be perfect. And it's unrealistic. But you have to be right. And also with the rashard higgins play. Which again is him trying to make a play him. Trying to make a touchdown. And i guess it was a helmet-to-helmet should have been called. You know what. I mean but that play and even looking back. It's like you'll have made the difference. I'm i was okay with the door and the play. I'm okay with the now no matter what because i just think with going you know. Some people were debating whether should have reached the ball. Like you gotta make up your playing. Patrick mahomes we. There's a game to fort can't timid. You know my michael take one thing. I wish to fancy would've gone for the fourth down because even in that moment that's not a hindsight thing i i understand both sides. But here's the reason why i say not just because you're going for it's at that entire drive. We were doing what we said we needed to do beforehand. But we were running the football right. So it's gonna put you in a forfeit to situation. We were eating up clock deep into the game understanding. They don't have patrick. Mahomes and are running game was working so i feel like if you made the decision to run the ball and eat up as much clock and possessions as we did in that situation. You're going for broke like this is the drive where it matters so my my thinking was again the same reason why you go for it on fourth down that time is like your. This is the drive. You're going you're you're putting it all out on fourth down again. There is a point where like enure in midfield at this point right like said they're kicking won't miss again. I just felt like we should have. You know i mean. I it sides i. I liked the decision to pont. And one of the reasons is obviously chat. And he's on the other side line. You're playing to win the game in that situation. You're still down by five. I know that if you don't get it and they kick a field goal. You're still only down by eight and you've got a chance to tie it and then go win. But i thought four thousand nine was tall task for the browns to be able to convert because as as solid as they had been playing on offense. It wasn't like they were really throwing the football really efficiently. I think baker only had barely two hundred yards passing. And so it wasn't like a four thousand nine is a high percentage chance for them to convert. I liked the idea it to chad. Henny stop them where they should have. You're going to get the ball back and you're gonna get one opportunity. Maybe six or seven plays in your two minute offense to go down the field and score a touchdown to win the game when the pressure is all on city. I like being in that situation right. They didn't think it would be a close game at the end. Those fans in the stands their booty holes. Were gortex tight. Like i was during the game. Those people were nervous. The chiefs island. They were nervous. They didn't think they'd be in this situation. They didn't think they. Patrick mahomes would be hurt. They got chad handy. Ba- back there so they're afraid they're nervous. That's when you get tight. That's when you get an opportunity for baker mayfield. That offense to be able to go down and convert a couple third downs. Make the play that you need to at the end of the game because the chiefs are all sorts of tight and your loose. Because you've got nothing to lose and you're playing with house money so i like that decision I was just the most disappointed at the end. Like most people to allow chad. Anyone you're in zone coverage to scramble for what nineteen yards or something like that almost get the first down and then on the fourth and short to not be ready for sprint right option which is like the only play that you can pass in that situation in the west coast offenses sprint. Right option especially when tyreek hill was in that slot. I know that. I think the defensive back that the browns wh had who is covering him. We're worried about him going across the field. I don't know if you watch the replay so he's playing a pretty heavy inside leverage so he's worried about tyreek which a lot of times when you have a receiver in the slot going across the field. He's really fast like won't you worry about that. But at the same time you gotta know what the situation is and who. The quarterback is probably not going to drop back pass and have tyreek hill. Run all the way across the field. So you gotta be thinking okay. Yeah i know inside leverage. Because i'm in man coverage or whatever but like i gotta think he's probably running that little speed out to run something to the sideline to get a pass and maybe don't go for the big inside fake where you fall down. Almost give them an easy completion to the sideline let me to hear a receiver take so typically when db is on the inside leverage that is the position on the field that the safeties are vulnerable right so when i would know us a slot is that if he's playing inside of me their safeties two safeties right if there's a split safety if he's outside he's trying to fund that way because that's where his safety help is so i don't exactly remember the coverage but i would imagine based on inside leverage technique. There had to be split safety and he had to protect that middle of the field Probably because that's the quickest easiest throat so the part is on a eight which is the name of the sprint out and the route that to kill run ran he even possible to guard right like even when shanahan and like the offense all my coordinators. They knew no one can guard hawk. Qa because there's there's no route to it's literally just quickness my putting the ground going forward faster than you can't go on backwards and create enough separation for the quarterback to make an easy throw. They lawlessly make. It seem like they're just going no snap no play which is all tarraco needs and again one on one. If i'm going out there's no be in the league that are tyreek hill in that situation. They were all walked up because they were concerned with obviously some type of Run play or something inside some quick hitter and they were in man coverage And so that's why. I was kind of confused why he was guarding such a heavy inside leverage against kill and the only thing i could think of is like oh us worried about him going across the field but like you said when you've got that middle of the field safety you would think that he would be playing at least head up to outside because he was thinking okay is probably going to be something outside quick-breaking where they're gonna try to take advantage of the situation on the field where maybe the quarterback and go to the sideline on a spread out. Throw that quick pass. But i guess hindsight's twenty twenty. I'm sure that the defense had a lot of things going through their head namely don't jump off sides probably just trying to get us to jump off sides and then when the ball was snapped like you said it was just enough of pause for them to get the jump. But i'm one thing. I wanted to get your take and this has been one of the controversies. After the game was the rule wherever shouted higgins is reaching for the pylon and he fumbles into the end zone. It becomes the defense ball on lennon's touch. What are your thoughts on that rule and do you think it's something that should be changed. I think if there's ever a time to change it now is it just based off of the whole world watching that and kind of collectively feeling the same way. Unless you're a kansas city chiefs fan or an nfl. Oh defender right. I thought i mean we've been on here for years and had them. We thought that rule was and you never really thought they would come by the way they did is like you're punishing if that ball rose out on the line then you had the ball in the inch yard line right like i don't know something so small of a difference in such a small variable having such a dramatic difference on the the full game is still ridiculous to me. I didn't like the rule before. I hate it. That much more now. And if they don't change it this year than we'll probably never gonna see a change. Yeah i mean. I haven't really heard anybody in the nfl circles. That has their thumb on the pulse of the rulemaking. Say out. this is something we need to change. But it's it's a rule that is arbitrary and capricious and the only argument. I've heard against it or against changing it is that well. There's all these rules in the playbook. That are unfair for the offense and so this is just one to have. That's unfair for the defense. And i don't think that's a legitimate argument to say well you know all the other rules are unfair. So let's make an unfair ridiculous rule that makes no sense for the defense like that doesn't make sense. It always is going to discourage great athletic plays near the goal line guys are reaching out like rashard like what do you tell rashard okay. So do we want players in the nfl across the league to be coached. Hey when you get near the goal on don't dive and reach out and go superman and try to make a great amazing athletic play. That's gonna make sportscenter. Just covered up like your fullback and just try to fall forward. So you don't fumble into the end zone on accident. Like i don't think that's what you want to encourage in life is about incentives the nfl rulebook should all be about incentives. That's why you have the rules about hitting the quarterback. That's why you have the rules about the safe target area of hitting a receiver. It's all about incentivizing safe play. It's all about incentivizing exciting place that's why you have the offensive or defensive. Pass interference rules and the holding rules that you have. So why would you all of a sudden disincentivize exciting athletic plays near the goal line. When you're the offense of ball carrier doesn't make sense. I would love to see it changed. Especially if you're not gonna call the actual rule that's already in the book which is helmet-to-helmet leading with the helmet do puts his arms back. And i think that's that's the other thing that the nfl needs to change. Its offseason. They need have skied judge. Yeah specifically reviews targeting calls because they happen too fast for the human eye to see And i think they need to also review the roughing. The passer calls because we've seen throughout the nfl since the roughing the passer calls got tighter that nfl officials and the human. I can't see the way the rules written. How quickly and exactly where these quarterbacks are getting hit. And if it's by the rules or not by the rules and a fifteen yard and an automatic first down is such a huge penalty that seems to happen in important parts of the game. It's too important to get wrong consistently and that's why this guy judge will be great and you don't ever have to slow the game down a an. Nfl fan wouldn't even know if the sky is watching it or calling down because it's not like an instant replay where you have to slow down the game or stop the game in order to get it right all right so we're running out of time here. Let's take a ford facing for browns fans. What makes you. What do you feel great about with the browse organization. What do you feel. We gotta fix up. Yeah i'll give you three quick things one is. There's finally harmony in berea right. Andrew berry came to town and him and coach kevin stefanski did their best biblical impersonation and they call the waters in berea and they put everybody on the same page. Everybody is feeling hunky dory and there is a bunch of people in that front office that have a common vision and a common goal and they understand how to get there. There's no power struggles going on. And i think that's going to lead to a lot better learning and improvement throughout the entire offseason for this team. Because they don't have to worry about all the bs that's always seem to be happening in the front office. And the fighting between the general managers and the coaches and the analytics. And these people like everybody's going to be on the same page there understand the talented. They need to improve and identify. And they're going to go out and they're going to get it and then you're going to have a team offense and defense and special teams that are going to be having most if not all of their coaches coming back and they're going to be learning the same offense and they're going to be able to graduate from kindergarten first grade rather than having to go back and learn everything all over with a new coaching staff. You're going to be able to put building blocks on building blocks and you're going to be learning details this offseason rather than learning the basic concepts and it's gonna make them better all across the board. I agree i love. I love the tactic of the browns. Just getting all smart guys in the building right and like they're all very smart. They're very mild manner. The just like let's go. We no egos same decision making processes than to your point. It's created that harmony. Yes in theory. It's right to sail. Let's get one of these guys will get one of those guys. It's like a friction in in philosophies whereas now again i mean there's more harvard you know people in the browns organization in damn silicon valley right and it's like they're all in the same page and the ship is going in the right if you wanna bring a startup with a great idea like hawkeye's bring it. The berea skip valley. You got a lot smarter. People in berea So i like that and the other two things that i'm really excited about is Baker mayfield the improvement he made throughout the season is embracing of kevin's fans in this offense which is so perfectly suited to his skill set. Can we see him in year. Two with this offense and the line to become a leader. He's he talked about like okay. I'm just going to shut up and do the work in this year. He didn't say a word. So people kill them you know. People have been critical of them You know but we gotta give him props. He's coming here you haven't heard anything from. He just played ball. He took the browns to the playoffs for the first time in decades. They gotta win. And one touchdown away one bad call away from going to the afc championship. So the future is bright. I what i off season office move that needs to happen for the browns. I think what they're gonna do is they're going to try to get more speed and their defensive secondary. I think it was pretty clear. That the teams that you're going to have to to get to the super bowl. Afc are going to be the buffaloes the ravens they're going to be the chiefs and to be able to keep up with the speed that those teams have on offense. You're going to need to upgrade and improve the overall athleticism and speed on your linebackers and your secondary so that you can call a defensive game plan that could maybe try to limit those guys a little bit. Yep gotta give some help. I mean you seen what the benefit of having top notch. Db's and all everything d. lineman can do for the rams defense right with aaron donald and jalen ramsey. We didn't award if we get a little bit more. Help back there Then you really got something special in the defense i would say you gotta cyber shard higgins. Obviously everyone knows my personal connection and you know how much of a fan of him i am just in general but if you look at when rashard came on and they started you know letting that chemistry that he in baker have. That's when the tide turned for the cleveland browns. So it just shows you how important of a piece there is and maybe maybe daughter people's jones's that that like kinda. Just take the top off the defense guy like the travis benjamin. You're just scared all the time when this guys in the field because they could heave it if the yards. We need that guy to get. Maybe donovan people's jones is that But i think that would help obviously odell being back right. Like with this new risen. That baker has with this new within. The offense has adding an all everything. Another all everything. Playmaker makes these guys that much better. I mean i is next year. I don't think people will be crazy to be calling for the browns planned in the super bowl. You heard it here on the tom. Show browns despu twenty twenty two. There is four leaf. Super bowl picks. Who's gone to the super bowl joe. Who's going to win and that you follow it up. Yeah i like packers bills in the super bowl. I like bills winning their very first super bowl. I got one eighty four to twenty one in the super bowl super bells super bills. All right net. What did we get. I also have packers and bills going to the super bowl. Why taking bills over teeth. And but i do have the packers winning at all all right. So i've had the packers in the chiefs a may change it up. I'm still going chiefs but a part of me wants to go buccaneers. It's tough. I'm going to stick with it for now but check back by twitter. 'cause i might change it before after the game. The game. i'm going to change this whole dep- chiefs packers chiefs win the super bowl. Ooh thirty seven thirty four as of now again. Check back after the games. Because i will have a better prediction through plays in the super bowl all right. That does it for this episode of the talk. Show like subscribe share and make sure you keep harassing joe online to figure out what our plan for. The show is going forward for the rest of the season. Otherwise he won't call me all right joe. Any final thoughts. My only final thoughts is perfect. That take us out. Joel hot yourself.

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No Pressure

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No Pressure

"Huge league nine in the nfl bucks saint to round two need. i say more brady brees. We cannot wait for that. What's going on everybody. Welcome to i take the good friday. Molly cameras rose. I will be with you guys as always since mid max kellerman tibo stop by as well huge football friday a lot of nfl to dive into including this. The niners has their championship window officially closed. And is it time to deal. Jimmy g. plus this in the second hour the houston rockets. How the new head coach stephen. He'll join us to talk about the return of the nba. All things western conference on december twenty second and former packers great. Donald driver will join us. Live to weigh in on that bad man. Bloods davante adams. Is he the best receiver in the league. Don't go anywhere right. You heard it brady. Brees in prime time new orleans taking the first one back in week one an embarrassment of riches now though that was before antonio brown became a buck a be up to me. I took time off for the game to reevaluate myself on. Look within you know to get a better perspective of myself. We're gonna myself with dinner without being this position. We followed the mission to get back on. Chat you know is a when i'm here to do i just feel like i'm a better person was a different person but i'm a better person a lot about myself working on myself for a year and a half chatting. I'm a better person all right here. We go good morning. Everybody happy friday. Stephen a max ryan clark. Let's get it. Stephen a i want to start with you. You heard him there. A. b. saying he's a different person. He's worked on himself for a year and a half. Do you think all the pressure right now is on brady and brown well. Thick so only the not brown per se. He's been out of the game for a little close to two years. What have you and so we know how electrifying he can be when he's on his game But he deserves a little bit time to get you know things he get. Get the wheels. Get the wheels in motion and do what he has to do. I still think that he'll have a relatively decent game. I expect an instant impact. But he's not under the pressure. I would tell you that brady. And the buccaneers ought to some degree. Certainly you want to win division. Certainly you don't want a situation where you lose you lose two games to new orleans. This season i'm looking at guys like mike evans. To though i'm looking at mike evans having warm reception for two yards in one. I'm looking at the chemistry behind between him and tom brady. That obviously needed to develop it has developed as the season has progressed. You won't have oj how this time around. Because he's out for the season but grog has been balling. He didn't do much in game one. So i'm thinking about brady and gronk i'm thinking about brady and mike evans. I'm thinking about the tampa. Bay buccaneers leonard fournette ronald jones. And what have you and russia for more than eighty five eighty six yards collectively as a team and i'm interested to see what their defense does against brees that we weren't even sure it was going to play this week. Even though we all believe that he will in the end. What it comes down to. Is that new orleans. One zero against tampa bay would tom brady. Let's see what the tampa bay buccaneers are able to do. Let's see how their offense is clicking against this new orleans saints defense. Now that you've got a few weeks under your belt and chemistry seems to be there and now that you've added antonio brown. I'll be interested in seeing what happens with that because if nothing happens. I think that that's going to give us all cause to pause. It would look on the surface. There's more pressure on tom brady. He has all these weapons. He has an elite defense and he just got a b. But you know what i noticed about brady and the bucks were quick to make excuses for them and they don't need excuses. They're really good but they've had two losses for week. One to the saints excuses brady just got there and you can call them explanations if you want. That's fine but he just got there. They got to know each other. There's no continuity with brees and neither team nor quarterback particularly well then brady lost in chicago to nick foles and it was because foles made plays at the end of the game that brady didn't make and and the next week he came out and much more focused and they made good on what was happening and the week before there were no mental errors and you can see the trajectory of their season. Getting better and better. He gets cut a lot of slack in that way and the saints have been sort of flying under the radar. Let's not forget before the priest before the preseason moves with brady on the bucks and then gronk follow them to the bucks and people were looking there and then the season starts in the packers catch fire and seattle's on fire russell. Wilson's an mvp candidate early on the saints. Were a really good super bowl. Pick and michael thomas there without emmanuel sanders who was a really good move in the off season to bring in that number two receiver deepen lacking all these years so camaras not just their second best receiver guy out of the backfield and because of this. I think the the kind of sense is that the saints really maybe aren't in that uppermost echelon but now he's got thomas and sanders back. Camaras been balling. They traded for kwan alexander the linebacker to shore up a defence which in recent years has been good among the teams with dynamic offenses. Now there's a spotlight on the saints because the bucks caught fire if the bucks lose the game. Abe just got there. Maybe brady was forcing things to him. Like the way when davante adams got back. Rogers was forced a little bit. If the saints lose people look and say oh you beat the bucks early in the season before they got going but now that they're going what's up. Same old new orleans saints look good in the preseason and as things unfold not quite good enough to get over the top. Even though we're still in midseason. I actually think right. Now there's more pressure on drew brees and the saints. I don't think that drew brees has to feel that pressure and also we'll speak about a the one thing i know about him is. He feels no pressure when it comes to football that man lives eats and breathes success on the football field. It's just what he does like playing the wide receiver position for. It just isn't hard. It's something that's extremely natural. And the people i talked to from. They say he's he's looked phenomenal. Like obviously he's going to be extremely fresh but he's a guy who stays in shape a guy who works if all of those things that we could say about his off-field life or about some of the decisions he made. He kinda reminds me of floyd mayweather in the sense that when it came to his craft it was always pure when it came to his craft. He made sure he was ready to go. And because of that. I put it on tom. Brady i do think this is on tom. Brady i do think there's a ton of pressure on. Tom brady for many of the reasons match. You always mentioned why. This isn't necessarily the most impressive year from tom brady. Because we basically said you put any quarterback in this position with those type of weapons. Now you add a beat with that type of defense that they would win games. But what is. Tom brady credited with amongst or above any other quarterback winning meaningful football games. We've never thought ourselves tom. Brady's the best we've ever seen. We've never said that we didn't talk about him. Like every roj tweeted talk about him. Like patrick mahomes but he became the goat because he want he became the goat because when the lights were the brightest he showed up with. This is the first game this season that the lights are truly that right. This is the first game this season. You're coming off of barely beating the new york giants. You're adding one of the best. Receivers of this era too are already loaded offense and lab of defense. That volley playing against a quarterback. We don't expect much from playing a quarterback we know can't push the ball down the field. I think we've come to grips with who drew brees is. But whether you're on the side of. Tom brady not falling off the cliff for into the valley or into the ravine or i guess a shallow pool. It would be for you right now. He's actually he's climbing up. It's a between rabin but he's climbing up as it turns out i didn't know i didn't know which direction yeah i thought it was a baby. I thought i thought. I made it clear that we would no longer entertain cliffs or ravine on. This show made that thought. We made that clear. We don't wanna hear max's those words there we don't wanna hear that go ahead ryan will either way whatever side your own on that. This is a game that tells you right. He comes in. He loses to the new orleans saints earlier. Many of the thoughts were at least my thoughts. Were they wouldn't beat the saints early and they wouldn't be better than the saints early but they progress and be. The better team headed into the playoffs. Well this is the time to show us so to me. If tom brady doesn't show up if tom brady doesn't make the clutch plate. If this team doesn't win all of that goes back to tom brady. I think we'll hear it in his voice post game. I think we're here throughout the week. He understands that he needs to win. This game and play. Well well let me say this about drew. Brees demand is complete seventy three percent of his passes. He's got. He's only got thirteen touchdowns just three interceptions though but i will tell you this. I'm not ready to sit up and say even though i agree with you ryan about the pressure being. Are tom brady particularly when he has everything to do. With the fact that antonio brown is on the squawk because just months ago bruce arians said he wasn't good for this locker room. So why did he change his mind. There's only one reason. He changed his mind. Because tom brady changed his mind. That's red changed. Bruce arians mind that is. That's the bottom line and so now that we know that we understand the pressures on. Tom brady because of that. But what i would disagree with you about or at least i believe the jury is still out about ryan is that in terms of drew brees inability to move the ball down the field. What have you. He's had a few games without michael thomas his primary number one q. And i think. And i say as long as if this was happening to their offense with michael thomas on the field then. I'm all for it but michael. Thomas has not been there since. Stephen just saved his argument. And your argument. See what happens with the saints as they fly under the radar and will point to thirteen. Only dvd's not only michael thomas but emmanuel sanders emmanuel sanders number two receiver and when they acquired him. We all thought. Hey that's been the missing piece really. There hasn't been a bona fide number. Two there is now. He has an either so yeah. He's got thirteen touchdowns three losses right now but the fact of the matter is he's not giving credit enough for the fact that he hasn't had his team. Let me tell you what's going to happen if tom brady tonio brown. Don't let tom brady. Try to force the ball to abe and they have a turnover right. He throws an interception because trying to get b in the in the groove because the excuses are loaded believe me. Everyone's got their excuses loaded if the bucks lose the game a. b. Just got there. You gotta give him time all this stuff. Drew brees isn't working with excuses. No i listen. I agree with that. I'm not saying that drew brees can't move. The football drew brees has a mastery of this offense like i've never seen the way he goes through. Progressive watch watches. Stripe is teach tape but he also goes through those progressions extremely fast because he's not looking down the field. And if you watch michael thomas i mean really watch him. He's not a down the field receiver. I'm not saying he's a possession guy but he's across type guy he's a quick slant type guy he's a body catch type guy. He's a fifty fifty ball with great. Catch radius type guy. He's not the he's not the dow go bald and also they. Don't throw those footballs anymore. And so that's what i mean about. Drew brees pushing the ball down the football field yes. His completion percentages high. Because he's extremely accurate and he does a lot of. Footballs no further than ten yards. Down the field. But what i'm saying about tom brady. Is we expect explosiveness from this offense. And if we don't see it and if we don't see that in a win we will critique it. At least i will if other thing other people want all right fair enough according to our espn's football power index. Here the bucks. The best chance out of the nfc to go to the super bowl. Here's what i know guys. I'm gonna have myself a nice double espresso go for a little power walk and enjoy my sunday because this is going to be a fantastic game. I cannot wait for all. Hi there this. Is julie foudy host of the podcast laughter permitted. And i'm here to tell you about our sponsor ally first of all if you're still stuffing financial documents into a filing cabinet. 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I was hearing a lot of interesting theories like jimmy g. back to the patriots jimmy g. to atlanta said matty ice with this former coordinator a lot of interesting sep. You guys were bringing up max. I'll start with you here with that. Being said has the niners super bowl window officially closed absolutely not look bill. Barnwell has an excellent article on. Espn dot com. I suggest you read it where he makes the case for moving on from jimmy g. He doesn't take a lot of shots downfield. He's not very good when he does not a lot of average yards per pass right and he's not durable and it's a very good argument analytically. You may be right about it. And maybe quarterback record is overrated. The way pitchers win and loss record in baseball. Especially in this era is overrated. But i'm sorry if jimmy g. was just a little bit above replacement then his replacement quarterback mother whoever it is would not lose almost every single game even look at this year like i know i take you through this with jimmy g. every time bella chick wanted to move on from brady from amused to go shanahan says oh you. Can't robert kraft let you grape. We'll take him and give him a big contract. He took over a practically winless team. He went five and he got hurt. They were practically winless again. He comes back the next year. No he misses the following season. They lose almost every game. They lost twelve or thirteen games. The following season he comes back the next season they went almost every game. they win. Thirteen games that your and make it to the super bowl and a ten point lead in the fourth quarter if he hits emmanuel sanders on that pass. We're all talking about how he's a super bowl hero right this year again. Guys even look at their record now. They have five losses he hurt. He got hurt early in the season. He clearly wasn't right against the dolphins when he got benched healthy won two games. He got hurt again. They lost that game and then he didn't play lost the next game. If you want to tell me. Jimmy geez not durable and they're only going to be super bowl contenders in seasons when he's healthy and who knows how often that will be and maybe they should move on from him because of that. That's fine but i'm telling you when jimmy healthy on this on this niners team they will be contenders every year it is. It is not coincidence. It's not an accident that he took over a team. It's not just that he took it over their winless and then they were this great team. It's every time he's out. They can't win the he's so much better than a replacement quarterback and otherwise fifteen is good enough window is not closed. You're wrong but what else is new. Here's the do the bottom line. The bottom line at this at the bottom line is this. You know. I've said this on many many occasions max ryan molly molecule testified to this you to go to four layers of people with the san francisco. Forty niners before you got to jimmy. I never said he was a scrub. And never said he didn't deserve to one hundred. Thirty seven and a half million dollars in the seventy two million guaranteed. What i said is that he is a an above average quarterback. But he's not that game changing. Do dan max tries to make them out of the b. b. out of out to be just because of his record. I said that you got to run a game last year. They had seven coleman the mostert they had breeding those boys. They had the number two rushing attack in all of football this year that ranked fourteenth last year. Their defense was one of the top ten defenses in the league and number one against the past. But that clearly is not the case this year because richard sherman has been out because nick both is gone for the season because the forest bruckner ultimately left and he departed and he was in indianapolis or wreak austin. If you recall he led the he led to san francisco. Forty niners would about ten sacks last year it was if sir it wasn't it was him. He went from ten in the first eight. Games are so the brothers got and a half sacks why. Because you don't have bu- bolsa and broughton there and as a result yup pass rush is severely compromised. Your secondary is clearly compromised because richard sherman health. Those kind of things play a significant role in the san francisco. Forty niners struggling now just like we can't sit up them blame jimmy garoppolo for what's transpired this year. Because he hasn't been healthy. On the. George kittle being out for the next eight weeks or so certainly doesn't help matters. We also have to recognize the fact that last year. They wouldn't if is what if it wasn't for that defense plan lights out and putting off fits in a position where college shanahan couldn't gauge a ball control run. The football have jimmy garoppolo dip and dunkin do all of these things to the point. Where he he had a bought. Two hundred eight yards passing in two playoff games in the nfc before he went to the super bowl and lost a ten point lead. We could talk about how patrick mahomes and kansas city chiefs came roaring back. Or what have you. But last time i checked score and keep the ball you score and then you forfeit the ball and jimmy. Offense had multiple opportunities to stop the bleeding. And they couldn't do it. When it counted a matter of fact we will call instances not just when jimmy g. misthrows we also recall instances where cost shanahan didn't trust jimmy g. with the football which to me is an indictment against them. It doesn't risk raw. Hold on i. Ju i did not. I did not interrupt to. It was the super bowl. The point that i'm making and at the end of the day what happens is that he's a damn good quarterback. Nobody's not denying that but as he that game changer. No and as a result. I believe that the san francisco forty niners have missed their window. They'll be a playoff team. They'll be competitive but with the teams around them in the nfc. And what we've seen from them. I believe as san francisco's window was last year. And at least with jimmy they may have missed it and the agree with stephen. They like this conversation. I thought it was by the san francisco. Forty niners window. And max turned into very early. Is jimmy g. better than the second and third quarterback on his team which he obviously is. But when you're talking about this team window let's think about the team from last year. That team was perfect. That's perfect where but quarterback. Because you can go probably fifteen quarterbacks that if you put on that team last year you feel like you win the super bowl you can take early on in his career. Ben rothlisberger not to ben rothlisberger now but early on in his career. The guy that we had and he would have hit that throat emmanuel sanders. He would have found a way to win that. Game and jimmy garoppolo. Didn't that team defensively was setup in a way where you're not supposed to lose. They kept the ball in front of the they could get after the quarterback they had linebackers. That ran sideline to sideline. You can run the ball. Offensively you had these multiple pieces outside that you can move around and kyle shanahan could use as chess pieces to manipulate the board and put jimmy g. In the best situation last year was the year but has these teams get to the super bowl and bill check in the new england patriots have so messed up in the head we go. You know what they'll get back you know what they'll do it again. But that's not how it works. Because see i remember when we were with the pittsburgh steelers and the time i was with them early and ben was young. He wasn't the perfect quarterback he wasn't the guy led the team. He wasn't one of the top quarterbacks in the league but he was talented he was clutch and he was good enough with a good running game and a great defense that we were to find ways to win but then we started to see that window. Close i eilly. Choi retires very all. These guys are going and so they had to revamp it. An revamping it now they had been rosberg along enough. They have another window. But that's how it has to happen. It doesn't just you don't just go from being. They're suppose to win it to not winning having guys leave and do it again. And so what i'm saying is jimmy. G. is good enough in a sense. It's not jimmy. Jeez folks that this team doesn't have a window right now to win the super bowl but he is a part of the reason they didn't win last year's super bowl he has to accept that. Now you can move on from him and start over and try to figure it out with new quarterback but jimmy g's window as far as this team is concerned is done. I appreciate that argument. In other words they get to the super bowl. That was his shot. Hit that pass. And you're super bowl champion. Misset you're all your also ran. He missed it. Was your shot kid. However lynch is a very good gm. I expect the team to be competitive. And as long as they have. Jimmy jimmy jimmy. Jesus guy who gets rid of the ball quickly who throws twice as many touchdowns as he does interceptions and who wins three times as many games as he loses four teams for a team or interational team. That basically can't win it all with lose three times as much as they win without him. So the question is where he to stay in san francisco. Could lynch put together a team. That jimmy g. would once again be in a position to win a super bowl with. I think the answer is yes to say that so to me. It means the windows. Well a couple of things number one number one again you can say that and you might have a legitimate case to some degree. I don't agree with that. Because i think it's not really about him. It's about the other guys around them number. Two as well. I ryan highlighted. What if you wanna sit up there and say he's better than the number two and number three quarterback because they went with them but without him. Excuse me what do they do. Well who the hell they had when they didn't have jimmy and a three more importantly. I don't know if you noticed this this max and molly has said it to you. Ryan has said it to you. So i'm going to say you judge and we don't know you notice how this around i can appreciate that argument you. Could you imagine that we looked at like this. Will max we appreciate that argument there. Well really we frequently. I hear from you. I hear i respect where you're coming from. My hughley frequently actually frequently. Because i don't respect what you're coming this big. Let me get in here because this is my in right now because i've been dying to ask. This has dealt with a lot of injuries now throughout his career. Dating all the way back to new england when he was a starter so one. I don't know if that's a concern in to to what i brought up earlier. The conversation you guys were having and get up. What do you think something like that. Jimmy g. essentially going to atlanta matt ryan with former coach or jimmy going back to new england because he doesn't have a single dollar guaranteed left on his contract so they could essentially let him go. Quick response from me durability at the quarterback position should always be a concern. If i think that should be the number one concern for carson wentz. Because there's so many moments that he missed because of durability issues and i think with jimmy g. we're learning that that's a real issue with him and let me say something really quickly molly you guys can just the conversation say is i appreciate that argument guy for long guy who i respect the way you all. I respect what you all are coming from. Okay but you look jimmy g. and not being available. That's important right. The reason that tom brady is so good. The reason ally manning was even so good is because you always knew he'd be there you could always depend on his availability. And you can't do that with jimmy g. so if you have to preface every compliment every comment about jimmy is when he's there when he's available but when he's not. I think that is a true issue in college. Shanahan they want studying at that position. They want to know that they have a guy weaken a week. And you won't lose any money. But then i think it turns to what max said if you don't have jimmy g. because remember it was supposed to be kirk cousins. That did work on if you don't have jimmy g. If he goes back to england if you get rid of him who do you have because it's been shown that even during college shanahan's time with jimmy. G. isn't the starting quarterback. This team is really good. So is it possible to get us. Upgrade jimmy g. is another way of saying that is ryan appreciates my argument. Now let me. Just say he's last reason. I think it's actually. It's actually i actually. We'll take advice from you about what's to you would know better than i but this everyone when it comes time to experience. The point does this job. He doesn't have doesn't have the margin for error for the durability issues like if he was everything that said about. Jimmy g. is right he. He's two to one interception. Two three two one wins. They don't win without him. But if you're doing that would spit and bubble gum like if it's a little bit smoke and mirrors boy you better be available and that may be why ultimately the niners do move on from him if they do. Yeah so are you saying they should. Are you saying it should max. I wouldn't unless they have. If they have a draft pick that they are sure about like the whole question is who are you going to replace him with. If you have a good idea that you can pick them up. Fine otherwise jimmy. Johns good debt applicable with worth l. Isn't that applicable to any quarterback is is about who you replace. It is but the difference is the difference is like someone like carson wentz if you move to get out from under the contract you're already out from under jimmy contract got you okay. Don't appreciate for myself for the rest of your life. All right that'll do it for this segment ryan. You're allowed to get up from the fireplace now. Timeout is officially over you today. You jamal relationship marshmallows does more weekend. We'll talk to you next. It's your apartment speaking. And i need some favors shower. Just try going up a key. You're trying to be an alto when really. You're a soprano. Oh and if you could bundle your renters and car insurance with geico. It's easy to do online and we could save money and then when you read your murder mysteries at night could you read out loud but skip the murder parts because i get scared for bundling made easy go to geico dot com today. Hey it's your homie. Sorry it's your home. I know you don't like it when i call myself your homie so i have some favors to ask you. Could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room. My floorboards are tired. Another easy thing. We could save money if you bundled your home and car insurance with geico on moore thing. I know you love lavender scented candles but could we try to vanilla. I think it would fit my vibe better. For bundling made easy go to geico dot com today. Meanwhile nba players will have just seventy one days off between the end of last season. In the start of this season the players have agreed and officially the season will tip off on december. twenty seconds. So stephen a. The season is gonna be very exciting as we've talked about we'll have the warriors healthy. We'll have the nets whole new ballgame. Here so who's most likely to dethrone the lakers. Golden state warriors putting everybody on notice right now. They will be in the conference finals. They will have a legitimate shot to get to the nba finals but in terms of the direct question. Who has the best shot to knock off the lakers. It will be the golden state warriors food for a simple reason. It doesn't need to be complicated like some people might try to make it. They have the greatest shooting back court known to me. There has never been anybody back court in the history. That can shoot like these brothers steph curry and klay thompson. I don't give a damn if this dentist. Johnson the downtown freddie brown gus johnson. I don't give a damn of its magic. And michael coupon for magic and byron scott magic and norm nixon before byron scott. I don't give a damn. If this isaiah do moss. I don't care what to come up with. Stocks been ordered check. It don't matter. There has never and i repeat effort. Been a court that can shoot the way those brothers could shoot the. It is bet to me. And i look. I'm not bringing in any other elements. Max i noted klay plays defense. I think he's a great all around player. He's short fi first ballot future hall of famer one of the top five shoots in nba history. As far as i know that i'm speaking. I'm strictly talking about the ability to shoot the basketball steph. Curry career forty three percent from three point range klay thompson career. Like forty to forty one percent from three point range when they miss. It is a shock if they're open if they contested is still a surprised that they miss but when they're open it's absolute shock. They miss shots there marksman and when you talk about the los angeles lakers big about anti no matter what you think about the joker because he's great and small marie and the depth and all his his the key. Anthony davis gets to deal with anthony davis. I'll had no answer klay thompson and steph curry. He can't be out there. God knows brothers. Somebody else has to do that. Somebody else has to follow them around when they're moving without the ball to make sure they open when a fast break takes place all of a sudden you gotta find them on the wings thirty feet away from the basket because they fire way. They are the greatest shooting back court. I have ever seen and to me to knock off lebron and a d. That's what it's going to take and that's the only thing it's going to take klay thompson. Scored twenty six points in a quarter one year in quarter and it was his second best scoring quarter of the seats. Seven i it was twenty. Six was the second best if you score twenty six points in a quarter and it's not even close to your best because he dropped thirty seven. Which is the record. I love the war. Dribbles max klay thompson. Klay thompson is capable of getting hotter than any player. Who ever lived and steph curry's mvp sure and by the way my answer might be the warriors. When i see what they do with all their parts. Let's see the clays healthy. Let's see what kind of moves they make but as of right now with everything we know about the team. I will take the nuggets as of right now. I'll take the nuggets guys. Think about jamal. Murray in the playoffs last year it was. How many times have you seen something like that in your life in the playoffs jamal murray was he lost his mind. Fifty points with no turnovers put his ninety three points without a turnover or something like that coming up huge in the clutch and then yokich. You're running point for this team. Seven foot center a load in the paint and he's taken the ball off and running running the offense through playing center and then there's michael porter jr. member the whole thing was if he could stay healthy that's why he didn't get drafted higher. What about his health. You look pretty good. Can't play defense. Looked pretty good. And here's what's instructive to me. Stephen this is the tiebreaker. For me with the nuggets based on what the warriors are right now if they package wiggins and a pick and something like that and they bring another player. Maybe if you had to ask me to forecast by the time. They're done making their team. Who i may take the work. I'm talking about right. Now with the roster porter is going to be twenty two this upcoming season jamal murray twenty-three and yokich twenty five. You know what that means. They're all likely to. I mean puerto obviously sending murray. And you'll get your probably going to be better. And that's in the regular season in the playoffs. They were way better than they were in the regular season so to take watch murray and yokich this past season make them better twice and give them a third wheel who really can score. Can't play defense yet. But he can score and think of how they played under pressure. Stephen as of this moment. I think they have the best shot. Well i'm gonna tell you why you wrong and i respect that i respect where you come from but i would say that's right. You know you do hit the reason why you wrong. You may have forgotten that the warriors have the number two overall pick in this upcoming draft. You've got a guy. Like james. Wiseman out of memphis who can fall to them. You got this gothic. his name is kong. Wa- something like that out here at usc you got that kid. Top in the token At a dayton. You're going to end up. One of those dudes to play alongside troy angry. So you're talking about an athletic do with size that all likelihood is going to be able to defend have some athleticism can do some things around the basket stuff out of the weeks. Oh my god. Oh my lord man. I'm trying to tell you all right now. There is no question well. Let's not get this max. We know we're not talking about the future. Because i see denver win a championship down the row. But what i'm talking about is the immediate future meaning next season. What the lakers is the reigning defending. Nba champions klay thompson was out the whole season. You know how much he's chomping at the bits with all of these cats doubt. What does brother could bring to the table because he got injured. And all his up steph curry being out last year they went to five straight. It'd be they won three championships including one back to back. And you got folks talking about steph curry and klay like like like. We forgot who the hell a are. Let me tell you something right. Now they are going to wreak havoc on the nba. The only thing. I'm telling you right now. The only thing that's going to stop them from having is injuries and obviously that's applicable to anybody. But i don't see. I'm telling you right now when i look at the golden state warriors and a lot of it depends on who drat as to whether or not. I'm gonna pick them to win the whole thing. But when i think specifically about the los angeles lakers. Anthony davis was clearly difference. The difference now is you can't his defensive prowess it's that can't be applied to the golden state warriors either a couple of snipers things a lot of respect for the golden state front office. So that's why. I said as of right now we don't know what they're gonna do with that pick right and wiggins does wiggins has any value. Would you need to use draft picks to get out from under from west. He has some value the baby so i need to see what they do with this team. Do they keep wigan's because he's athletic and he's played better defense for them than he has in the past right do do they keep that guy as a kind of athletic wing and package the pick with something else and bring in an established player to pair with draymond. Do they think wiseman has the motor and also the skill set to to tape. Believe that to succeed and then we have to see how that develops yet. If you said forecast what do you think is likely yeah. I think it's likely the golden state front office will figure it out. But i'm now what's on the team right. Now it's on the roster. Is clay coming back from a serious injury. It's not an achilles but you can't just be like toward the acl. He'll be fine we don't know and he's thirty years old. Let's see him be the player he was with steph coming off injury and i think they'll be okay but like let's see it with draymond one year old who was already not quite what he'd been a couple years ago with wiggins who's not etc right. He hasn't been around the block and won championships in one finals. Mvp and established himself as a defensive stopper and all that stuff and obviously with no k. D. it's a very different team. And when i look at the nuggets i see all their key pieces. Ascending to predict you'd say is quarter going to be better. Murray going to be better yokich going to be better. Yes yes and yes. And i just watched two of them marine yokich play own man ball when it mattered. Most well first of all let me say this to you. Let's not discount draymond green. There's no slippage. There was a interest in the season because clay was out. Steph was out very early. In the season and kevin durant had departed for brooklyn so the fact of the matter as you knew you weren't going anywhere last year anywhere the anyway this. It's an entirely. Different mentality is back to the business of championship basketball. I'm not sleeping on any stretch. I got you. i don't need you to buy it. But i got element. Dope james wadsworth. That's right when i finished speed. You got james. Wiseman if the whoever you draft draymond green could come in and he can serve the row as a tutor. A counselor a teacher all of those different things to go along with those dudes. I could buy that draymond. Green can do a lot of the things that we've seen him do just as well as ever before like i could. I don't know if i don't know if i do but i could like. It's not impossible that maybe and also you're right. When he looked interested he looked like the old draymond green instead of an old draymond green. Stephen i'm talking about three or four years ago. They could really play five out. And i always thought draymond was actually pre. Kevin durant dream on was actually the second most important player on the team. Because he was steph curry's pick and roll partner and he was shooting because curry and klay created such spacing. Not just outside shooting but from how far outside harder for the defenses to recover and get to dream on. He was shooting like thirty eight percent from three. He doesn't shoot from three like that anymore. Playing five out for the golden state warriors is not the same as it used to be when i say dream on is not quite what he was. That's what i'm referring to. Well you're right because in two thousand fifteen two thousand six hundred thirty eight percent three and a last four seasons that followed. He shot thirty percent or less from three. So it's been an achilles heel. That's something that he's got to change and he knows it but i would. I would remind you they still managed to win two championships thereafter despite dvd. Understand that but the point is if you've got somebody to help him on the front court and you unleash dray upside clay and steph with somebody that could do something offensively for you in the interior. It's not quite shreds. Still good enough way stephen. If that somebody can't shoot then what made the warriors special playing that five out with a death. Line pre-k d. right with and and a clay and weekends max. So now you're saying about. I'm talking about filling in for equal dollar in other words right before the arrival okay. I'm saying so now. You've got draft a big. Who can shoot shooting with dray and the big. And then you have to. You have to hold wiggins shoots it. Stephen a. says the warriors will be the biggest threat to the lakers. Mac says the nuggets glaring omissions the clippers and the houston rockets.

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Best Of (Drew Brees, NCAA Tournament, Cowboys' defense, Marvin Hagler)

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Best Of (Drew Brees, NCAA Tournament, Cowboys' defense, Marvin Hagler)

"Was up undisputed listeners. Issue boy shea. Sharp i wanted to tell you about my new podcast club where we always do something before to something. Each week i sat down with a gas for a drink and conversation and it's host and proud of club shea. I welcome in esteem guests. Snoop dogg floyd money. Mayweather lavar ball. Isaiah thomas just to mention a few with. I'm talking to an athlete. A musician and actor or lifelong fan club shea. the place where people sharing sparring and motivational stories about their journeys to prominence the new episode drops. Every monday on apple. Podcast spotify. or wherever. You get your podcast. Subscribe to clubs shade now and make sure you never miss a new episode now back to undisputed. Welcome to the undisputed podcast. I'm your host jenny. Taft this podcast is a condensed version of today's episode of undisputed handpicked with the best segments and discussions skip shannon. Let's go into disputed from la tapped. Jackson jackson hey last night. So here's a good point. I won four cases of diet mountain dew on brady brees one six cases a diet mountain dew on brady at araj five more cases of guy mount do on brainy versus mom. You've got to back on the all star game but friday night one to more cases diet because you said germain lebron james would get four threes. Ailey hit all grant of date. Thank you so. You're bet that he take for the anyway. So we'll sheds left now. We'll talk about the lakers will talk about lebron later. But we do have to begin by a guy you mentioned skip but drew brees because guys. He announced his retirement yesterday after twenty seasons in the nfl. You'll even with a super bowl win and the league's all-time leader in passing yards and completions. And it's the end of an era for both freeze in the saints will have a different starting quarterback for the first time in fifteen years and in his announcement on instagram breeze quote. I am only retiring from playing football. I'm not retiring from new orleans not by rather a new beginning. Now i real life's work against so shannon. How will you remember. His career are remember him as an all time. Great skip that. No one saw this type of career. Happening i will. I'm old enough to remember. I was in the league when he got drafted. I started in baltimore. In two thousand one in i came back in the bronco and then san diego chargers get. We're in the same division. Yeah and i got an opportunity to see him up close and personal skip. No one saw this coming if drew brief even told you he saw this coming. I don't believe he would be telling you the truth because remember. They got an opportunity to draft ally. Manning number one overall with the heat franchise quarterback named the other franchise quarterback that was so bad one year. They got the number one overall. Pick the following season. That does not happen but you know what a faithful injury happened and he probably thought man they gave what ten twenty percent chance of ever. Playing again yeah. The dolphin failed him on a physical and follow the laptop. Sean payton in new orleans saints who need a quarterback hurricane katrina and wallah. Magic happens in red is that they say skip history and it just goes to show you young. People is not where you start is where you end up. And what you do while you're there skip. Drew brees made it fashionable. He's the reason why you see. Russell wilson you see calum murray a baker mayfield. A six foot slightly below quarterback man. You need to be six three six four. You need to have a canon of arm you know. He found a way to to make it work of the twelve. Five hundred yard passer season. That guy six foot tall drew brees have five bubble in of all the guys. He has probably have the weakest arm which just goes to show you. That arm strength is greatly overrated but skip. I'm going to remember him as a historically great player to get what he was able to get out of career. Yeah especially after. That injury speaks volumes to how hardy work. How in the the perseverance that he stuck to it but it was the right time. Skip if you look at him in the lab last playoff games against a tampa. Look at him. The year before against minnesota. If you go back and look at them against the rams look at him the first half against the bike is before they got the minnesota miracle skipped. He hadn't played well in his last four playoff games true in the but i'm going to remember him. I'm still i'm do. How this little dude it. He they small may in. How did this little dude. Put up these kind of numbers. And i give i get whatever. Take the quarterback but still going ball down the field and he made it work do. I'm going to remember drew and a great great player. He won a super bowl and he beat peyton manning in the game in that super bowl skip but he also beat a three times. Mvp brett farve to get there in a two time. Mvp kurt warner. He had a great run. That you could make a case that brady had a great run but you can put that run. That he got with the new orleans saints of their with any run ins in playoff culminated into the blow. So that's how. I'm going to remember him. As the great player maximizes ability got everything he could out of his ability. And i don't know hard pressed to see a city embrace a quarterback anymore. The new orleans embrace drew brees and he will remain with his family in new orleans. And i'm sure he will be like like a father figure. Yeah city here on a great gig lined up. I believe doing sunday night. Y'all on nbc. Congratulations drew brees on one of the all-time great careers ever. So i kept looking at these numbers last night and i kept trying to put it in perspective and there was one name. I just couldn't escape and it was a name you just brought up and that's tom brady. Drew brees career was all it was so great that it could have been the all time greatest just on shear statistic right guess except he was born at the wrong time yes. He spent his whole career. Having to try to play up to tom. Brady and you just can't it's impossible. It's the bar is set absurdly high unrealistically high and kept putting him in the shadows of tom brady skill as mcnabb and peyton painfully a couple of peyton but if i just had to gauge or rate aranc rank breeze versus peyton. I at least put him in the ballpark. I could do it more. Lebron ask when you have great longevity. Nats and i go well. He did beat payton head to head and a super bowl. I was great. You just said that. Run up there. Yes and yet if we look at payton's postseason. It was fourteen and thirteen but he helped in denver that he got soon walls and then he won one and he kind of went along for a ride on that one sort of road. Von miller coat tails to then superbowl so peyton. Finish to and two and super bowls. He was only nine and ten in the playoffs while with the colts. Fourteen and thirteen overall. So if you just looked at the all time numbers you can start making that lebron asks or lebron versus jordan case that on just sheer longevity numbers that breeze had a slightly better career than peyton. Did as i wouldn't go there but you could at least can make you can debate it. You can debate it but you can't debate brady. Because drew brees has ended up in the postseason nine and nine and that counts that one. Run a three and out to the super bowls. If you take that away six nine in the postseason brady is thirty. Four and eleven with seven super bowl. Well it's game over. You can't even start the conversation there so he was just born at the wrong time he was born a year. Almost a half after brady was and yet it's got a crush drew. Brees that that the man that he's fought against since he was in college in the big ten is still going strong. So right now as we speak drew brees holds the all time record for most completions. Seven thousand one hundred and forty two. He holds the all-time yardage record of eighty thousand. Three hundred fifty eight yards. It's ridiculous number yards but does not going to stand because brady will catch pass boulder them. Because i'm pretty sure brady's gonna play to more season. There's you know he's gonna play one. But i'm pretty sure it's good to and then after that all bets are off. We'll see what happens. But it's it's two more years. And i kept telling you i wonder if raid drew brees will. We'll go brady ask and say well okay. We posted that video week or so ago. I thought well is. He going to try to go brady and go somewhere just just to compete for numbers snow. No you know why. Because he's had enough his body has had enough. It's like you hit the wall at thirty five. It was both body and mind. You're just beaten from where you say. Okay that's i've done. All i can do and i'm satisfied with what i did. And he's got to be more than satya except for the brady factor and remember. It started back in college when nine hundred ninety nine drew brees at purdue started off four. No make all the way up to number eleven. And they went and visited number four michigan in the big house and it was tom brady at quarterback that day and brady threw two first quarter touchdowns and they were off to the races and one thirty eight to twelve so that sort of crushed purdue and they ended up going seven and five that year so they plummeted out of the top twenty obviously so it started there and then it also had to crush breeze souls like all the sudden out of nowhere one year ago about today. What do we hear. Nobody saw that common white. Tom brady is going to drew. Brees division he is well breeze continued to him and thumped him twice and that that second thumping on sunday night football at tampa just all time career. I thought it was the worst game. Brady's ever played on that sunday night at tampa obey and yet what happened in the playoffs. Who ended drew brees career. It was tom brady need did it again. And i'm not saying. He completely outplayed him. It was as you pointed out. It was more of a defensive game in that defense took the game against drew brees. Yeah fake bre- breathe like thirty thirty. Eight for two eighty eight a touchdown to But the tracy porter made to play the game to pick six. That really sealed it off. Dr within the platform tampa bay played bad grew. Well i mean he came apart. Thanks to but. But i'm saying it was almost more of a defensive game you talk about talking about. Tom brady didn't put up. Huge numbers played divas played out spayed. The best game of the year and antoine winfield junior a rookie out of minnesota made the may be because jared cook got it in his hands and he's grabbing first down yardage into tampa bay bill up seven point scale so worst case scenario about to get a field goal right hand they. He was crossing the fifty. Yeah from behind guess what balls on the ground and games on the ground and here they go away. You'll get a touchdown middle look back. That is correct. Okay so in the end you look at what he did as i would like to say. He's the greatest overachiever ever at the position. But the truth is i've told you i think brady's a little greater overachiever at the position than even drew brees. And i'll tell you why i'll tell you why okay look at drew's lineage. His family lynch his father played basketball. Texas am his mother who became a prominent attorney was all state in three sports in high school in texas. Pretty good in. I don't know if you remember his uncle. Marty acheson's he was the starting quarterback for darrell royal texas for three years. I just know him from the big oklahoma texas battles and he was a southwest conference player of the year in one thousand nine hundred ninety five. Marty aitken's texas fans will definitely know. He's pretty legendary will he. Drew's uncle right. So drew grows up in austin texas austin westlake they just dominate high school football. Nobody wants him. He couldn't get a sniff from either texas a and m. or his father went or from universe. Dex where's uncle went. And he winds up it's either kentucky or purdue and he goes for do normally normally takes kids. Don't go to purdue okay. But i always thought. Drew brees was an underrated athlete. And i never. I never thought. Tom brady was an underrated. Because i can't get that horror movie out of my mind. The forty yard dash that he ran. The reason why. I believe drew is a great over achieving. Cheever skip the size. Yeah if he would fix by okay. Tom but skip. We haven't seen anything like this. Big tall quarterback bear. Maybe six foot. If i think he's definitely six arm like my big i said okay. We'll get you throw the ball. He can launch a. He had none of that. He didn't have michael baker calamari speed. Lamar jackson elusiveness. He didn't have right big arm. He averaged every arm every level. And look what he got. Eight thousand yards you right brandon passing. He had two touchdown rigor to end up with answers. It's gonna pass him and everything but did without looking at them. A lake bed is not like the guy that would go play. Twenty years and at one point time had every two statistical meaningful category at the quarterback position. He did. I got it. So now we move forward in new orleans and they are going to sign james to a longer term franchise quarterback kind of a deal. They that's all the reports. That's all speculation that as we speak there were on a d. with france i don't know but you got to pay him some money because he is a free agent right not restrict is free with anybody else. Make a big play for james. Maybe now i don't know what big money is. i don't know cam got fourteen with his incentive. Those i mean you gotta win. Go to win the playoffs. You gotta play fifty percent of the time you gotta have you gotta have that. I'm talking about james says. Look here give me ten million dollars base plus incentives. Yeah maybe then let me get. Let me get to the bottom. Tier quarterback numbers eighteen twenty million dollars. Let me get to the bottom. Dear but lebron james was the number one overall this is his seven seas and the nfl he willingly and happily took about a million bucks last year. Just as minimums you can get just to under study drew brees. He got his feet wet. A little bitty got in aim here or there we got the system down in his head it would be between him and taste some hill. We saw some get to start. What was it four games and nobody said that's the guy. No i don't think sean payton said does that's my man going forward but does he work. Gadget guy is a little bit of accomplish. Sure keeping rose. Yeah keep him. Let him do what he does right. Okay so janus what he always say. Hi turnovers in college. High into the league okay. And he did. In two seasons ago as he started his last full season in tampa you at thirty five turnovers which by far and away led the league in turnovers and the odds are he will continue to try to throw home. Runs at a cost to sean. Payton that he will not like so i i fear for james a little bit because these are again cam did a great job going to foxborough and fill in. Brady's cleats up there. The winged cleats of tom brady boy is going to have a hard time here because they are going to be very demanding starting next year because they need drew brees back in the saddle as far as production. Goes you remember. His last year in tampa. James through for over five thousand yards really already with thirty peaks. Imagine how many yards he would have thrown for haiti. Could that have a lot of bro. Pains record heat a he needs to understand. I think sean payton with dr. This home there are there. You have to take calculated risks. Everything can't be a jump ball to mike. Evans or jump ball to chris godwin. We win gave like that. Because you see what happened is caused in the playoffs with. We're controlling this ball game until we turn the ball over. Yeah if you look at our playoff game that we've lost. We were in control of the game until we turn the ball over. That's what james has to understand. Brady has done the best job. Maybe of any quarterback understanding the situation in which he then. This defensive struggle. I can't turn the ball over. He takes care of big of the green bay game but in defense was in the bag that day. And they kill aaron rodgers out of the end zone. Where if he had gotten maybe one score a touchdown instead of kicking golden. Yeah who knows. The outcome might have been different but brady does a great job of understanding the moment understanding situations and wall. Put the ball at harvard weight. And you look like man brady and do anyway. But we got three hundred fifty yards four touchdowns. He got the job. And so i. I was more quarterbacks. Understood is dead of trying to win. The game brady will do a great job of not losing the game and i think that come from coach belichick playing in that fifth because coach. Bill didn't give him the best weapons if they look. Let's just keep a close with a chance to win it. That's why the both parts all of his votes have come with one score games. They either winning or losing the last last possession of the ball game. That's coach belichick wanting to play. And that's been ingrained in tom so tom more times than not he's not going to lose a game a ballgame late in the game with a costly turnover. Okay so bruce. Arians obviously no risk it no biscuit but you don't think sean payton is a gambler of a playcaller except he had brees who complete sixty eight percents of his passes for his career which is extraordinary right so he had a guy who could gamble with because drew brees wouldn't usually do anything crazy when he called a gambling. Clay withdrew disk. Is that people got tired. Drew just nibble la- check out here. Flair the aba chimera little slant route to a mike thomas and everybody also start getting greedy. Why aren't gonna jump this and ninety double move you. And so now they they. They run gadget. Plays didn't catch looking in the backfield. They picked up the taste him. He'll takes them. He'll pro ball head. James needs to understand if you turn the ball over in this league you lose and you go to the bitch. That's what cost him his job in tampa. It wasn't like he turned them all over too mosquito. Yeah five thousand yards there. There's only been twelve of those seasons. Brees got five of them but he's in there with stafford in drew drew. Brees a tom brady peyton manning dan marino ben roethlisberger gave only a handful. The guy that's throwing for five thousand. He did it with thirty peaks. He did so the talent is there if he has to. He has the minimize the turnover. So now the marquee showcase games. I'm assuming on fox will no longer be breezed versus brady but they will be james versus his former team. Now headed by tom brady right. Well i if. I'm not mistaken. I mean boxers probably hocutt. I think tampa goals to new england. I think they play new england. You they do. I know. I know fox hoping tampa goes to new england as opposed the vice versa. Because they go. There is our game our home. It's ours. i'm not even sure how it goes. But whatever yeah we go to foxborough to play we assume cam but we're not sure it'd be. Cbs game because it's a homeless. Are they gonna settle on cam or is jimmy g. Still in the work. Was i mean when i look at drew scale for him to be six foot tall would not. The biggest of arms would not the greatest mobility nothing. He has no collar athleticism. No mike vick armed. No none of this gift. He doesn't have josh allens high but he got that out of his ability. And i didn't like. I said as i was on clothes i got an opportunity and i was talking to a team mind. I was like man. I was there. Drew bitch we played them. Skip on a sunday my last year. He got busy. They put doug flutie in. I got it with doug flutie and mccain. i didn't love it. In fact. I was working in chicago and made a point of going out to north western one saturday to watch drew. Brees must have been his junior year Just to see what he looked like. I came away unimpressed. And what you said at the end he says this is not the this is not the end but the beginning of my life work shirt. He's been great yup. He's been he's been better than great for the city of new orleans for someone to immerse themselves in the community like he has. They've they. I said this and eight and i told you i can't. I don't know if there's ever been a black community. Embrace a quarterback like the city of new orleans had you. Yep you get that anywhere drew. I mean this is special. I mean what he's been able to do it for katrina. And then he gave five million dollars this past summer. I get this lip. That's just a blip on the radar if that's all you're going to remember. Drew brees for about something that he said that he had a misstep. Etta misstep if that's how you gotta remember. He stood by what he said in two thousand sixteen about neil for the ant right and then he apologized about as profusely apology. S for me okay. Good action to work. You say you're sorry to make a man okay. And he did. He did that and it seemed like he won his whole team back absolutely absolutely because he's been so great in the community and that what got the community so upset skip is because he has been so great drew. We've picked somebody somebody else to say something like this too drew i got you. That's why it hurt them. So bad i and i tried to convey that to him. But i'm gonna remember a guy that had a great great career and he got more out of his career and maybe even drew thought he could. Yep well done well done well done. You can only say congrats so many times and the saints. They tweeted this. I thought it was really special. You came to us at our lowest point. 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The blue bloods that we normally think of as jenny mentioned kentucky duke. Not even in the tournament. michigan state. Ucla other blue. Bloods play in game. Kansas weren't as strong as they normally are north carolina. Where the strong as they normally are. This might be the best chance for non power five team to win the national title and it the power five conference if probably going to be someone maybe we least expect or someone get. We don't really think have the basketball program so for me. I'm like i'm shooter. The darkest cut up a lot of teams. You know they go weeks without play in two weeks. I think michigan went like two weeks. Even it plan gain. Yep i almost had michigan final four bracket skip but the laws is right at the tail end. You can't lose the michigan state we to superior superior clearly the better team and then you lost again. They got blown out at home by illinois. So i was like. Nah i can't pick you guys guns an easy choice. Gonzaga gonzaga have. They been the best team entire season. And if you look at the roster. Now i didn't i didn't know this guy masterpiece. He did my podcast. Committed this guys name but they start senior a redshirt junior junior sophomore the freshman now the freshman is point guard. Jalen thugs me. Believe he'll be a top five pick. It will be if you look at the way they're constructed you you see why normally they're all way then somehow because they always have these guys get their stay tuned three years so instead of playing with an all freshmen based team. They have a couple of seniors and juniors sprinkled in there. I have them one. I'm gonna take illinois. They won fourteen. The last fifteen to beat ohio state and overtime to claim the big ten title. I like the beat michigan earlier. So them i'm gonna take alabama bamboo. They're not you know you think that what you think about say nate. Well not only. Did they win the conference championship football scale. They did it in basketball with the first time since nineteen ninety-one so i like them a the east and i'm gonna take ohio state. I think they played well to do what they did to michigan. And they've been in the top five top five t and then they lose. They lost two or three games. But i believe they're ready. So i got gonzaga. Bill annoy alabama ohio state. Now the only one that i one hundred percent coverage getting to the final four is but i like my bracket okay and you have which team winning at all. I got zags beating the alannah. Okay i concur with you. Only on your i know oh tournament yes okay. I have been picking tournament forever and it gets harder by the year and this is the hardest year ever because of all the covid. Crises news sport has faced. Gonzaga was down and out for a while with covert issues and yet in all my time watching sports. The aptly appropriately nickname sport in the history of sports is march is truly madness. It is the all-time roller coaster ride often for all the wrong reasons. Because it's not even fair that you take a lot of eighteen and nineteen year old kids and you throw them into very strange venues at weird times can be early or late and it's just one and none of three point shooting contest from align that's much closer than the nba line. And you either make him or you miss them and if you have one bad day where your stars having a fight with his girlfriend or whatever's happening off the court you go home so that's the the bitter in the suite of this tournament and so i just throw it up in the wind and see what comes back down so i agree with your picks only on one. i agree with alabama. I think alabama from start to finish look to me like an even more consistent team to me to my eye then gonzaga looked because the alabama starts to seniors and two sophomores. And in they're scoring it goes shackelford quinn league petty junior and jones. They go fourteen thirteen twelve eleven points a game so they're incredibly balanced and that coach nato. I think he's on his way to becoming a roy williams or maybe moving alabama loan high. I don't know. I mean you can build a powerhouse. There's it's not like they didn't build a power and football right okay. I got it but he's off to the races there and remember. They won nine of their last ten. They won the conference. They won the conference tournament. And i'm going with alabama's one of my picks out of that league also going with arkansas because back on february. Twenty fourth at arkansas. My man moses moody just did a number on alabama and they won eighty one to sixty six. That was the game of the year for arkansas coach. Mike guy. Eric muscleman who. I knew pretty well when he coached the golden state warriors annoys bounced around a little bit. But he's coaching the heck out arkansas. So they're my second team then. I'm now down to the two players who are vying for player of the year. One is going to be the first pick in the draft in kate cunningham and i've watched him a lot this year. I probably watch ten cade cunningham games at oklahoma state oklahoma guy but i watched the orangemen a lot of to well. He's done a couple of numbers almost and i. I don't know if i wanna go special yet. But but he's going to be the first pick in the draft and he's getting to where he's just growing up right before your very eyes. We're now he's a man among boys and he's just a fresh right obviously but he's just taking over games he can distribute it. He can score from three. He can take it to the rack in the games like this in a tournament. Like this guy's a freshman can take it over. I remember camilla. anthony remember. Remember purpose ellison. So we've seen freshman dominate dominate. This run when you win six games now and he. He had that kind of that he can take over game any given moment and i was shocked. They were only four seat unlike foresee. Are you kidding me. They're just better than that and they're going to win the mid west over illinois. Then that leads me one team. And i'm going with the two seed in gonzaga's region because in the west because i watched a bit of a game played back on december nineteenth and it was sort of a covert protocol site that they had to just set up on the fly. In sioux falls south dakota. It was gonzaga's home game against iowa right now. We're to the other player of the year possibility. We gotta luca in college basketball. His neighbors luca garza. So here we go with another luca and that night against gonzaga. He went thirty and tan. He goes about six eleven thirty points and ten rebounds but jalen suggs who. I love because he will compete. He's got a lot of refused to lose him. He made seven of ten threes. That night they made fifty percent of their threes. While i went for for eighteen from three so it was a three point contest and gonzaga ended up from ninety nine to eighty eight. I believe that will get reversed in the regional final. So i'm going to go with luca over gonzaga in the regional final bill. Make a lot more threes and gonzaga. They better and so that that leaves my final four then arkansas versus oklahoma state. And i'm going to go arkansas in that game as much as i like love kate cunningham but listen that checkout moses moody and tell me he can't play who and then i've got iowa's a two seed against alabama another two seed in the other semi-final in then i've got alabama winning at all. We got alabama winning it all over arkansas. That ever happened of oboe team to same here already here. I i i think because i think is the most battle-tested of all the teams. They beat our by lebanon. They beat kansas twelve. They beat virginia about twenty three. There are two three enforcing in their perspective brackets. So i know. Gonzaga is battle-tested Byu down and they come back in the final in crush byu. So i think the battle-tested they have enough upperclassmen wrinkled in with us insatiable freshmen in order to get the job done because when you play freshman lead teams give. If i'm gonna posing coach. I said look all i wanna to do is get it to the last five minutes a game. I know now we let them get up and down. Their athleticism is better than ours. But i want to get to where they have to think and they have to execute in the last five minutes and we see us get remember. Keller coach kane in wisconsin. Because they got to the last five minutes of the game. They had all that talent. Karl anthony towns all those guys. Let's see they can execute left five minutes without let them get up and down. Put them in. The half court fit wilkens aga- yet they can rain threes per put them in the half court they got enough. They got enough experience to get the job done. Somebody's gonna beat case the we'd like you said or any given night somebody get heart. You get cold and good night. Kind of like georgetown and creighton craig ocean. Georgetown could miss. They blew him out. Graduation patrick ewing. How they all know who you are at the medicine at msg right now. That was that was a great story. Skip normally you know out. Fill out a bracket and i'm like i like this. Unlike this bracket i feel about breaking the day. I'm like really shooting in the dark. Okay well so how. Many one seeds won one seat. How many three hour by the ones the blowing my win. We got two cases on it to cases on bracket. don't be better the hours to cases on the brackets. Whatever you wanna bet it like the most final fourteen. Okay good you realize every time you propose about on this show you lose limited by saturday. No by sunday. This is what you'll be doing your bracket well. It's highly possible. I think you might be doing long aid skip. I'll i need one because aga- take me all the way home. Just remember said this. Alabama will get revenge over arkansas for its one bad loss the whole year and it was at arkansas on february. Twenty four th eighty one to sixty six. Alabama is the steadiest team. I watched all year. Even steadier and better coach than gonzaga is remember. Gonzaga's never won this thing after all the cinderella story and this is probably this is their best chance. Also if you look because normally there's always a duke. there's always the north carolina and went up against north carolina laws against north carolina. Yeah they've always been those. Those true blueblood powerhouses best broom they would have to go up against skip. There aren't any of those guys and blue bloods. They got got a lot of one and done guys and even some of the one done out. Some got injury got injured and so this is wide open now eight. If i'm martha i'm telling my guy. This is as good a chance as we ever have. Right now leslie. This guy would tell him that this. Yes i want you to know. We gotta actually no duke. I mean carolina of eight seed. Michigan thought michigan state. You playing game. Usa like kennedy. It's flipped on its head. Yes i agree but it looks. The part is still there you got you. Had you have clemson notre dame alabama. You had ohio state. The powerhouses even it shortened season. The power house was not in basketball. Now can you imagine a final four with no with no notre dame no ohio state no clinton no alabama no agreed. So here we go. I'm just happy that we have march madness because this time last year when we weren't able to watch basketball it was to get my back. So yes we're looking forward to it. The right stuff from both you guys. Shannon went with bama no surprise. There guys the cowboys we've got to move on. Just get team. They can officially cross a dak prescott extension off their off-season to do list but with the legal tampering period beginning in just two hours dallas can now turn their attention to other free agents. Cowboys have quite a few holes to fill notably on defense Talking about and bleacher report recently named the top priority for each team during free agency saying that the cowboys need to quote finally attack safety skipped. We will start with you here ensure team. What are you hoping to hear cowboys. Voice here's my first issue with dallas cowboys. Seems like forever like seems like the last two decades back to my man would season. Has the term safety been an oxymoron for my team meaning. It's it's completely unsafe at safe. Roy williams into box and he was definitely in the box. I've had are xavier woods. Whose sat right here. And he's a great young man but he's been xavier too often lost in the woods for me so the market has some intriguing names on it so i look at the to atlanta. Safeties are both right. They're for dave. Nobody's going to know them better than my new defensive coordinator dan quinn. Obviously the new dc. Yeah the head coach atlanta so keanu. Neil their box. Safety is on the market and ricardo allen. Their free safety is on the market. And the reason they're on the market to me is. You're always trying to replace both of them. Because they're pretty good but they're not that guy and then me cooker out of ohio state. I loved him coming out in two thousand seventeen. Then he tore his acl and then he court towards achilles tendon. Tricky is by far the most talented on the market but trust the health. I don't know it's a little scary to me in a little shaky trae. Boston is out there. Shawn gibson is out there. These are all pretty good players pretty good players pretty good. pretty good. Who come at relative bargains that much better than xavier woods. Donald wilson. Probably not that much better. Maybe a little more experienced. But they're still that guy came out there. He's he's still out there. I have beaten this table for so many years beaten. It beaten bayton it. Go get earl thomas. I know what happened in baltimore. He just flamed out. He had a fight with chuck. Clark the other safety. And then he went home and -posedly assignment over his but he but he posted team internal video to try to prove his point about chuck lara in and took it down. Which was a violation of team rules. Go posting your internal practice video. And then he had an off season incident involving his wife who allegedly held a gun on him and it was it was just a mess and then they filed for divorce or reportedly could he be held accountable for that for conduct unbecoming if he does in fact come back. He's still only thirty. One years of age is earl thomas. The last full season he played in baltimore and twenty and nineteen. He made the pro bowl. You can say you made it on reputation. But i thought he played pretty well that year. Their defense ended up third in points allowed news pretty good and he. He contributed a lot to that defense. I believe he can still play as he approaches age. Thirty two into next year. He grew up wanting to be a cowboy fan. If we could see video of what happened back in two thousand seventeen. Remember he chased jason garrett all the way up the ramp jerry world after seattle won that game. Come get me jason. come get me now. That was when he was flying high for the seahawks and he was at contractual impasse with them he wanted to be paid then he fell out with pete carroll then he would break his leg. Broke your leg flip car up the field. So we know. There's lots of baggage there. But speaking of dan quinn. Dan not coaching. is dan. not knowing your could dan. Not say hey. I'll be good with him i can. I can handle it. I i know how to push the right buttons. Now that you have back back in the saddle as the team leader is dax personality. Strong enough to kind of keep earl in check. Yeah i believe it is so. He's a real live pro bowl safety who i still think has two or three good years left. We've seen safeties in their mid thirty right right. Rod woodson run late. but the thing was. Is that what you have to understand as you safety skipping as you start to age. You can't take the risk that you took at twenty six twenty seven and i'm not so sure earl understands that and that that's the problem because he's still trying to make those same place and as we get older. Our reflexes is not as. They're not what they be. What about john johnston. You don't like him from the ramp price. I'm just wondering. I keep waiting for the bomb shelter. Dropped at the rams. Have i can't believe he's gonna actually hit the market harris with vikings. He's a good player but these are out of the price range type players. I'm just talking. They always say he doesn't like to spend now. I would spend if you could if you could get one of those guys more your price than theirs. I just don't know how much they gonna command. We've all been to these doors and there's a little band with a lot of little mix products in there. There's some of that. I bought dollar ended up being for reason. Now if you get what you pay for good stuff normally on the shelf is not in that little being in the central store is earl thomas in that been. Yeah he even that being. Okay and can you tell me what a bargain he might be if you got him at the veteran minimum just so he could play his way back into good graces in the league. He will be a great bargain but skip. I think the mere fact that he had been signed. And you haven't even heard his name mentioned. Lets you know the baggage. Is that come along with this young man because trust me. They've reached out to seattle. Because if if it's a nice lady incident we can understand that. But how do you take that baggage. What you had in seattle and bring that to baltimore. Skip if you can't get along baltimore locker room. I know because i was involved was locker room. They let ozzy in john harbaugh. They let you be you because they've you be you. That means you go play. You don't conform to anything if you talk talk if you do whatever it is you do. Do it okay. He couldn't he. Couldn't confirm that component. And i still fighting still arbitration mediation. Whether or not they're going to play his twenty twenty. I think it speaks volume that this man is talented as he is still is unable to find gainful employment that lets you know there was a lot worse than what the even the media knew. What if they're all wrong. What if he has been humbled by what if he's willing to come in helmet nand and say okay. I know i have to do this. To achieve re achieve that. it's his. it's is a childhood team and a coordinator that he played for before skip. The hardest thing to do is when you had success. Doing something one way is to change that way. Early always took risk and it's paid off for him going to pro bowl being all pro being all decade safety. So now you're asking him because now if he doesn't make those play that you made you say see that's why nobody signed so you have to be willing to let him gamble some. Are you willing to you. Have the type defense. They can overcome his mistakes. I don't believe you do. I don't believe you do. Yeah but thirty. One is not too old at that position. No because you can play that position with your head as well as your body. Yes yes you can. But what he played a rod woodson charles woodson skill. They weren't taking those. As they got older and older they took less and less risk earls taking more and more risk. It's because he's as gifted a ball hawk safety as anyone this side of every. Yes get what you need. Let me know you cages. Go do it okay. Look at everybody else you got. How about the free did abra. I've been jumped as cross around so watch the whole for me. Yeah how about how about how about the corner. Abram get deep this because when he told his would jump at me starting safeties. i've had to suffer through. Who don't even belong in the market right now. You know how low my barra said you know how much i used to love earl. Thomas jefferson. how close jerry was. He thought he had right. We're going back now for years almost three three years ago he had it done. According to everybody. Who knew at the last second. John schneider the gym and seattle jerk. That proverbial rug here. And once you do that to jerry. Dax seemed to overcome it's given for. I don't know but he forgave. Yeah yet remember. They had it for a second round. Pick the last second that we will. John schneider We want for airplay. Really wish you give the gas star player. Wealth ruled that could be played with dice. They started playing where through a couple of touchdown. Yup and the way it he not play well against my cowboys up in seattle face them. He took the game over there. He is capable of taking games over. He's much better than what i've had. He would be to me worth the trouble to hope that he was in the right place at the right time with the right coordinator the right quarterback in charge of the locker room in the right america's team around him where he says i'm home and i got to be on my best behavior. Yes give you mentioned ricardo allen kiana. There were supposed to be meal right. If if i could get counter reads john wick. I take more than. I paid back. John win because he would be over. We would win every game. They were supposed to be kam. Chancellor earl thomas yep in atlanta meal was going to be the thumper was going to be the whole same day that take things off your role. I got him for whatever reason. It didn't pan out. Maybe they were ever quite lived up to that billing right now. I agree which is why atlanta finally said okay. Let's start over this starting over. Yeah but you may. Have you know you might have to bite the bullet. You say you've got some money. John johnson might be the best available he added. Hair is so you might have to bite the bullet and. at and twelve million dollars. I would take him. If i thought they weren't going to break the bank because they might. You gotta spend money. Take money to make money. Which still got alden smith out there and we've got to bring him back because that's crucial just won't everybody you want to go. I just need alden. Smith was he not a in the bargain bin last year and then he played well enough to be how much money you want to pay him. That's kind of the x factor. This whole thing i. I don't know it does he. Oh dallas anything because dallas gave him a great chant fun and yeah he had fun. Dallas you right plan for mccarthy. I think he did say like five dollars. I like that. Yeah so you want to say the that same range. Will you get one of that group. See earl. Thomas might play for the veteran minimum just to have a chance to redeem himself. Now that's the steel of the deal. Do really believe earl type. I still believe in. There's a player i can't. It's hard for me to defend off the field. We go well jerry out. It works out for you here today that we have signed earl thomas. I know you and you will be. You'll be scared. Realize no well. Now earl thomas are you better than tampa green bay which one you better than our offense is right there with the although you don't get to take your office to lead the dvd's at home against one of the toughest and most beloved boxers of the modern era former undisputed middleweight champ. Marvelous marvin hagler by saturday at age. Sixty six a nineteen ninety-three inducted into the international boxing hall of fame handler defended. His undisputed middleweight. Title twelve times from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty seven final have fresh no fear against longtime rival sugar. Ray leonard in one thousand nine hundred seven was a twelve round thriller which leonard won by split decision remaining one of the most disputed results today shannon. I start with you here. How will you remember him to ferocity which he fought. Sometimes get by. Look at my age. I think hand a see. All these was going on. Nasdaq man that sometimes. I wish i was twenty five or thirty s but no been i would miss things like marvin hagler. I would have missed bird magic match ups. But i'm old enough to remember when this man and he fought in time and he poured into the vision skip. They had him they had. Tommy hers sugar ray. Leonard roberto duran. They had iran barkley the head job. Mugabe who stopped harm show. They were loaded at visit. The first four were called the four king. Yes just like the heavyweight division in the seventy with leave frazier form norton. All those guys killed beth when it was and this man. Everybody and i was reading his background. Skip his first title fight. It was a drawl. He felt he won and he put it in his mind is if i'm not going to leave it up to the judges. He went to every fight to destroy. He worked up in his mind skipping. What selling no fight. He's sincerely disliked everybody. Betting paul paul of paul stairs air people will. Why didn't he get. I think back what happened. Boxing was was was was great and they really love guys that went to the olympics. What sugar ray. Leonard went to the olympics. What are lee. Joe frazier george foreman. All those guys were. This guy came out of brockton mass and he fought skip the tommy hearns fight. Yup is good. If you're going to see. I don't know if you'll ever see fight that action pack and guys land. I don't know how he's do it. With what tommy heard was hitting him with and they almost stopped the fight because tummy hurt. The split is split his head open the first round he did. Tommy her data my right hand and earned the hitman. Her as i mean hagler. Walk through him. And he was so disgusted. Betty law that he believed that he would. I think he wanted to fight. Also skip that. He said i'm done. I'm done with leonard. sugar limit. He never fought again. Yeah let's give everybody eight ran through. Gabby he fought. Roberta ran you deed him and everybody knew what to read a border to read a lot of guy who have had roy don't union he talks about durant and how tough he was he talks about tommy hearns said hagler walk through and he the not only with your fight. Give me the box. He said that guy right there had a chan- that was undeniable and when he got into the ranks give me one trae when trying to go to scorecard. He would try to get you out. He put pressure. That's one about you. Get a boo fight fight. There was none of that when this guy when they're on their bail he was trying to wring your bill and he's going to be sorely missed like i said i got an opportunity to see him fight in skill. We say oh. He's a fighter big the by midday box now. These guys will fighters they bought. It wasn't a feeling if given window feeling that. I use a row to guy you know. We'll see what are you going to do. He came to throw them eight hundred gloves and he came to throw level on people here and he got you out of the ring so to me. Marvin hagler was the most intimidating boxer. I ever saw looking boxer. i'm talking about. He was only one hundred and sixty pounds and he looked so much bigger than one sixty his head he was ripped you are and he was on top of all that to your point. He was left handed. Which made it even more intimidating looking. I'm talking about intimidating beyond george foreman at his nastiest beyond mike tyson and he was my long. Wait than my for mike tyson. That's that's the that's what we remind your if you watch him fight. That's what we were one hundred sixty pound mike tyson. He was scary looking in could back in. And i covered most of all these big king versus king fights except the one that i missed because i had qualified for the boston. Marathon was the hagler hearns. Fight in vegas at caesar's so i ran the boston marathon on that monday and it was a monday night. Fight which is weird. But that's and. I watched it on closed circuit tv at the hotel. I was staying at which is hagler stronghold in boston brockton mass so everybody was out of their minds in this hotel ballroom for hagler in that first round is simply the greatest first round i've ever seen and a bunch of ali frazier great round her leonard hagler her yes just the first round. I've ever see that was in one thousand nine hundred eighty five and to your point hagler took one overhand right in it splits. Scalp right up near his hairline and it was. It was gushing. Man is gushing. Blood and richard steals the wrath. And i thought don't stop it because new routes of deal would have stopped. Hagler won that first round. I thought and then he knew deep down i got knock him out because i don't know if we're going to let me finish. So we got him in the third round and it was all time fisticuffs man. It was throwing as hard as you can throw on. Both hotels hitman versus marvelous in finally hearns. Went down tried to get up just before the content and he was just too wobbly. Said that's enough then. Here came sugar. Ray leonard can. He was the complete antithesis of marvin hagler. He was everybody's. Here roic middleweight. The villain that was becoming yes in hagler did not like it because he thought he was up against it. Politically against sugar. Right was because sugar. Ray never looked like he weighed one hundred and sixty looked waifish at that middle right and yet he knew how to box he was your man floyd before floyd he was that guy. He was a showman and personality. What hagler didn't have had great charm. Listen marvin hagler was a good interview because he was so forthright and just he was so willing to try to tell you how he felt right bottom of his heart. But but it wasn't entertained right and it wasn't charged with most mildly heating. Have george foreman smile. He didn't have sugary personality. George didn't have a smile. He george foreman here for the first. The first time around george was no changed but should get skip sugar ray with the seventy six olympic champ. He was on. He was on the wheaties box. Everybody loves hugo rain. everybody loved him and i'll mitt. I loved him too but he kind of took marvin for a ride because remember five years before the fight that they finally fought eighty-seven marvin thought they were gonna fight right and in fact he went all the way to baltimore for a televised event that that he thought was the announcing of a fight and he was there. Sugar ray announced. i'm gone. i'm retired and remember. He sat for about five years ahead of this fight and it made both of them. Older fighters thirty two. And here we went. And i was there at ringside and i did think ray won the fight. Maybe it's because. I was a fan but the problem with the judging that night was one ref had at one fifteen one thirteen ray and one ref had at one fifteen thirteen marvin hagler right and the other ref named joe joe garra had at one eighteen one tan. Sugar ray leonard. One eighteen one ten. We'll listen. I'm a big fan an even on like there's no way he won that fight. Eighteen must've been watching magnum. Pi gunsmoke because he wanted to fight global tb read. That's what and that's how sugar ray quote unquote one. That fi marvin has always insisted. Ray will not allow this to exalt acknowledges publicly but marvin said obviously to his dying day. That is they hugged in the middle of the ring after that. Fight hagler in sugar ray. Leonard that that sugar ray said to him. You beat me man and i believe ray is capable of saying that. He's not capable they knowledge public. Roy but i'll. I'll buy that right because i think deep down. He felt like he had been beaten but he also knew that he did everything in his power remember. He got the fight all his way. You gotta ring. That was two feet wider usual and he got fifteen rounds versus twelve around so he got. Every condition of the fight went sugar. Ray's way now level a lot because even though he was away sugar. Ray steele was really. The face in. Haggling was still going and everybody talking about sugar. Ray sugar ray sugar ray in at bothered hagler that he really if he'd never failed that he got the credit he deserved can be the undefeated undisputed champ for like seven years he took all comers and he never got the he never got the love the adoration that they stole the punch sugar ray and i believe that rubbed him the wrong ways. Dead said i can't beat politics right and i can't beat fandom i can't beat that on the villain and he's the here right in so he just picked up and took off wounded and never he once upon a time in hollywood. If you've seen that movie you went leo dicaprio. He went to italy and started making spaghetti. Western right he did he did. It's almost like jim brown quitted thirty twenty nine. And just said i'm gonna go make movies right also rubbing skip. Their people would call when he was introduced. They will say and sugar. Ray leonard they would never say marvelous. They would always call the marvin hagler so he got said he changed his name to marvelous. Marvin hagler marvin hagler. So because he's like well why y'all call him. Do y'all call them sugar ray. I'm calling me. I can call myself marvelous. Yup what would you always dress me like l. address. His momma didn't name shoe berate. She made me ray. Leonard called himself. Sugar well. I want to be known as marvelous well by the way there had been a sugar ray rob all all-time great yes. I'm alta right. Yeah people think he's the greatest effort yes pound for pound and so this dude here. That was the golden age of boxes like you said that was filter rounds and they put hands on each other. It wasn't no feeling each other out. That was an eighty s that division midway division one hundred and sixty pounds it was like the nineteen seventies heavyweight division when you had all those big heavyweights and they had to fight each other scale. They had to fight each other. No ducking there were did they. We'll see what happens. Is that you get a guy that like floor floor was smart. Floyd got to this this thirty an old record and then he could pick and choose because guess he knew you go by because you wanted to see them lose so that was the thing i wanna be. I wanna make sure i get a ringside seat watching this. I wanna say. I saw floyd where where the lose. He knew that so he said okay. That's what y'all want to pay. The i give it to you. I once twice a year in never lost and he made a billion dollars inside the ring with -dorsements but back then you had to fight. Yeah you you had to fight. Can you imagine. Imagine you had four guys employed me where the division that with almost. Because that's what they were hagler hearns him durant and leonard they were they were right there. So you got four guide. It may take about that. Rest in peace marvelous marvin hagler. He came to fight sample. The whole bows downscale. He just he looked apart. He looked like he looked. Like a boxer guy come to do damage and when he had when he thought he had the war. he's going to be a war. He made no bones about trying to be afraid her. I'm coming to hurt you earns. Well it's rate once. Said he punches lugging heavy but now those are really special stories. Hear from you guys. i appreciate you sharing. Obviously we're thinking about marvin and his family no.

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Barstool Rundown - January 25, 2021

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Barstool Rundown - January 25, 2021

"Hey what's up guys. It's big cat before you start listening to this episode. I want to let you know that we're running a special sale on all barstool merch. Go to store dot barstool sports dot com and use code podcast for ten percent off goto store dot barstool sports dot com and use code podcast for ten percent off. It's the rundown presented by means. Dos a little tequila and soda. Getting in on that seltzer train for all your tequila drinkers out there. My meat does is for you. Five percent alcohol by volume with a few different flavors pineapple here. I had mango not too long ago. So if you want to get away from The box because of the world. You're not drinking beer. Drinking those calories to that and i said this this is so important these days. The package. it's it's beautiful and that matrimonial to it digging man. I mean it our donna new guys. These are the stars of Where i have a feeling you guys getting shit faced. It's pretty much the whole week. And for the record i no longer go by dave. I go by the cowboy the cowboy to an end to find out much more When it finally ears surviving barstools very good. Its promises to be. it's the barstool version. I mean it really is exactly what they want it to be but anyway meat does. Pineapple here is I like it better than mango. So i'm officially gonna come very. This is very good this headline. what's my is grapefruit and tequila. Okay i can get down with to get to even get it off a go puff or drizzly so get. Your mommy does delivered right to your door. It's like i said these guys will be on surviving bar so that's why they're here today. White sox dave is in town will start off. We got a lot of football cover Dave asked me. Can we talk shit about brady. I said if you feel like you fucking ken. i have completely bent. The knee bent uneven. No no no no no. Don't give me that. Of course shit. Because i don't fake takes and if it's gotten to the point where he is like i got a tip my cap and call and daddy had that happened years ago. Now doing another. With another fucking franchise another conference dude. What are you to say. now i get. I hate hate hate. Judging a quarterback by wins and losses. I think that if aaron rodgers played for the new england patriots he'd everybody hussein saying he's ago. I aaron ride if you want single personalities. I i love that man and i think he's the best quarterback i've ever seen and there's not. There's not any golfer. Tennis i wish. Twenty two other guys in a field goal. Kicker female through and there is an element of pitchers and quarterbacks in rights but the german war too but they lost the war. Like the fact that aaron rodgers like saying but also some wins do matter and the fact that i said they review and a guy like i mean right i have made that argument in like two thousand eight after as many as well. There's one right and reason when you talk. And then he shows up and the super bowl now. I think that. I'm gonna get fucking dragged for this all right so david tyree helmet catch then. Are you cancel that out. With whatever the marshawn lynch ball and the goal line those two cancel each other than the d four. I was going to say jebron ford winding up offsides. He threw a pick on their plate that what ended the game. Didn't they jones taking Dude there's other circumstances that downsizing the ws the elza knows game that he had nothing to do with that he fucked up by marsh. Abatement interesting knocking. The ball was the reason that they were looking not him. Willing them to victory. I bet you gain by playoff. Of course who's the common denominator though. Because i also think you get teams doing dumb shit when they they al- always characteristically makes a bad decision because they're like fuck yes and so one way he gets credit for these of course which i play doing and it's not it's not like i'm seeing. Tom brady tom reed i. You could argue his best ever. I just don't want to hear super bowls is like. Oh he wins. It's like fucking chain game okay. What am i told you that. I believe is the best ever based on every that then. That's fine. I would disagree with you so i think i think aaron rodgers i go. I go rogers manning and then like brady brees of nowhere. It's a team. Game is a team game. Like aaron rifai put point. He's got to like be able to overcome a couch. I know it's it's like three to even be in the conversation. I won his defense suck yesterday. I mean go look it up. It was he's he's it's thirty five points a game or so plus And then tell you the reason why because lead game can go ahead touchdown drive and then never gotten the ball back in three playoff loss. Can i tell you not on him. That's number one reason. He's not is because he left field yesterday. I don't care what do grow full disclosure. I missed that play. And i still haven't seen it today when they kicked him west. We're i mean it's i have people raising hell about a year ago inside the ten. You've got aaron rodgers. He said he said i was allowed to call a third down and he was like i would have probably played differently. Had i known we're not going for it on fourth because then it was four. And that's but if that's happening. I am literally like tackling my kicker and fighting will before i limit anybody and the dude for sure. I don't let nobody go bell checker nor nobody. Nobody's kicked like you use. The differentiator is just a fucking he. I mean this is totally completely fucked up my narrative about him because like you said he flipped the switch leagues false narrative. That's some point it's different cohesion. And i'm like thousand years would even say like the redskins obviously suck many faced breeze. The former so i was like you know what you can't. Just start discrediting playoff wins. But if you're gonna do that. Those two were pretty was a prime candidates. But then he's got aaron. Rodgers packers at lambeau c. I said this yesterday too. I think that the fuck. If patrick mahomes continues to put up all the and i i'm sure he will get another ring. He's been with this third right. they just been to. He's one of one. I wanna say if he doesn't win another super bowl again but he has a fifteen year ish career putting up the number caesar now i would say he's the best ever he's we can't say that. Yeah you can say the hypothetical astronomical to overcome ten super bowls and generally agree. I i. I won't use that as the number one. A or a one reason or way to judge quarterback i will never do. I actually do understand your argument but when you have that same vibe a little bit ends up about when you change circumstances when he can do it as like a game manager and then he can put up fucking fifty fucking amc nfc when he can do with bell. Check without bell check. It's like how many more times has got yesterday like watching that game between lucky though platter get it like a one game where the narrative would've been very different. We've been three picks in a loss that they ever examinating. Aaron rodgers like they were trying to do is game and you couldn't daycare. it's tough. i mean i. it's all hypothetical is which is good next. Kellerman is thrown in the throws. He was like Or thrown in the towel he was like since my declaration that tom brady has done is done. He's had a hall of fame career just in that time period like construe. He's out a hall of fame career from twenty to thirty thirty to forty and from from our twenty two twenty four hour forty three. I mean what is it. Forty two down. He used fucking awesome. This year i mean the man. I don't know what it is. I don't know i. I look at the pictures. I've seen gunda head if you told me. I want like we're gonna start organization from scratch new front office. Gm we'll have a fantasy draft. Basically i would draft aaron rodgers number one out of every quarterback over patrick mahomes now. Patrick mahomes he. I mean that's a dumping patch patrimony. But he hasn't played off yet. I'm talking about all the gold conversation quarterbacks. So see i think either way either. If you're talking long term you got to take home short-term. I would take me because i mean what you want to look on your side. What about that about like if he beats mahomes if whites it up in this in this super bowl and beats mahomes which. I can't say he won't do it. You can't be knocking. It's so weird because it's like the mahomes on the chiefs really should win. They should because they're sitting there sitting there thinking the same thing like oh we should win. But it's brady sure advantage this crazy. The fact that of course is the guy to get that for the first time ever is i mean i wonder how the folks with the lines like usually it's a neutral site. Now you're playing at home. There's implications there on the other side of things. The chiefs just do their thing four buffalo. I mean they had brady as you know they had their as they started to rise. Brady was still there now. They're here and they're dealing with the mahomes window. I think that they're going to have a pretty good window though. That's a really fucked. There's flogging good team but i don't think there's going to be there for a long actually actively rooting for them to win. And i don't even have any scratch. I wanted them to win. Just because i love their fan base. Yeah the mafia deserves it for sure. i've never. I don't want any team to have success other than my teams which is foreign feud between recently but like. I don't wanna see anybody happy. I hate seeing people happy. And i'm speaking of seeing people. Not happy lives had a bit of a meltdown last night. That's tough but do you. Guys were like a good chance rogers. He's back on the other thing. Like what am tomorrow june. I'm coming back. And she's got this dream. Iran's for no reason that video last time i was out. Here's ing choice. It wasn't as cyber monday. I think this was back in october. When i was here. I was speaking leagues. Liz and she's like. I don't think he's going to be back next year. I'm trying to like speak existence with bare mois. Which is an impossibility. But i'm like my brain trying to on the bears. I would take him okay. I thought yesterday. Yeah i mean you for sure. I thought you meant you just want an out of like has made my fifteen years. Fifteen years prior to that ideal fucking breath for i was trying about. She's had the beauty of brett farve into. I don't want to like again. It's not like they've won. Seven super bowls one super bowl each right like for both of them. Tom brady has as many. Nfc championships as aaron rodgers and drew. Brees he just came to the nfc. Tom brady has. He's tied third for most playoff. Wins against the nfc. His third is third against the nfc. He's played in the. Afc is it's just from super bowls. It's insanity it's stats are like tony. Gwynn greg maddux ask where you can just start making things up and you have to believe all third most. Nfc playoff wins. He's been in the afc for twenty five years. It's crazy it's disgusting. He's gonna play till these fucking fifty you think he's just got. I think that. I don't wanna see how very as you make your own luck when you're when you're that good what you do and i'm not. I've never said. Tom brady sucks. I just i don't wouldn't automatically say he's the greatest of all time solely based on wins in super bowl when their actual plays that he had zero control over than to read. That comes out if d d ford lineup. Offsides achim literally their kneeling the ball. Game's over it's done. It's it's like. I said numbers you tie. There's there's always something that you wanna find. Whatevers talking is boy. I understand that. I like now. All right the only thing about brady gun ahead. I would take rogers. Mahomes will get their taste gone. I'm going to put your head on in a fucking shoot. You can do it. Please put him on. The other side of this like so brady does this. And he's still just makes his video and he's just like yup nets because he's just like the coolest com he is on the other side of things world. You have conor mcgregor. Who is loud mouth. Cocky braggadocious takes fat l. this weekend l. but also just kind of does it like like. Afterwards he was like fucking disappointed. It sucks. I tried my hardest. He fought well like he's look for life though. But i mean some as far as as far as you know like you know like sticking it to them if you're a mcgregor it's like well what can you do. He owns it. He wears it as much as he talked. Shit he's also the first to be like fuck and so we're gonna do a little cross promo right here. We drafted sports divas today for the dog draft I drafted mcgregor second overall. And they're like eva interest. Is like i admittedly just very recently gone. I think he's like the definition of a diva in. What regard i think. He's like cocky. Cocky outspoken all the way but that's kind of tough in an individual sport because dvd means you like teammates fucking asshole and it's your that's that's a fair point that was not brought up that since it's individuals forty kind of passerby all but they're like no fucking way that's horrible pick. I'm like what really like. I mean. I just say you're probably getting into game of semantics about diva but i see what you. Yeah so. it's all having jake paul. Nato's videos just like laughing in your face you ten k now. I got ten thousand dollars for you. S lenny fifty million dollars and the memes. Just like nate robinson. It's like this is the champ champ. This mcgregor this is rumored to apologize to absolutely nobody fucking tat's the swagger the name the whole she says that's like dvd to me. I mean i think. that's more. Just like cocky braggadocious like just show would have been a solid pick. Yeah he wasn't eligible for sure. I really weird spot mcgregor. Where it's like. You gotta get some more wins under your belt or the or you can't mystique goes away. It's like you can't do the entrance. You can't do talk. You can't do the media the same way if it's like well you've lost like you know three of your last four or five wherever he's going to have to fight from what understanding plenty of people can correct me if i'm wrong whoever's watching this so here you lost to be who's number one in that way division and four guys that are going to have a shot at him to get to take the title from him before the four conor mcgregor. Would i know long road fuck it. I know that's crazy about the. Vikings is like you know. One racing guys like mcgregor. Where like the unstoppable ones are also the ones that are like. Oh this is fucking embarrassing to. I don't even realize that embarrassing the fight like probably call it quits. I mean granted. I'm a novice to the sport. He's a fucking animal. Yeah he was the second ring for Like the kicks to the calf they say are just like so debilitating but But barry kingsport. I'm i'm very excited to start. 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There's nothing with the caption mean though it was cryptic so i think it's taken to me. This girl. madison. I believe is. Her name is using to be famous. That's what the lake there's users in this world. And then i think she's kind of like threatening them being exposed you guys under the post this and so they're posting a picture together being like we got ten years together. You can't break down there right there fucking at each other's throats now an outsider comes in and it's kind of like okay me and you can kill each other but the minute that someone else threatens his family we gotta like close ranks. At least that's what people are kind of like that. But i just jay cutler two things jay cutler and kristin cavallari are somehow simultaneously the best fit and the moon each other which is like. That's the most romantic tragedy. Guys are so perfect. But you can't stand. Each other and then for cutler jay cutler who we know just wants to chill ranch drink whisky and fucking hunt. He doesn't want any drama and he's caught up in them. Strana with christy cavalieri now talking this other girl from southern charm like for dude who wants no maintenance low maintenance. He's got himself a boatload drama. Oh yeah just stop the heat. He was the one who agreed to the reality show. Yeah well he's reality tv. She's fine you know if you're into her she's she's runs a jewish brand and all the shit but the moments that all went viral were when jay was doing with jay is the public like low lulu would love them back together but it's like chicago it for sure but it's funny when it's again the people want but also we can't be in the same room with each other without late jerry each other's face off like it's hard to just be like okay. We're back together. Take another meant to be well. That's what i mean it's like you know when you love hard and you hate hard. It's like you're you're horrible. Fit but some ways. You're a good fit. Maybe you crazy kids just fucking get back together. I don't know just do the show. The show does not help. I mean kim and kanye getting divorced on the last season of the. They're going to do the whole divorce taste of the reality. Tv life without a honestly. I'm afraid to talk about this. Got version of we're doing is probably more than eighty percent of reality guys who yeah hanging out. I mean it's not going to have like the crazy storylines but it's real not a lot of that should completely script for sure for sure. This is just like we're letting you animals reveal says. I can't do it as far as dramatic storylines though the return of young page views today. It's called strutting in the building after. What a ten month. Hiatus pays us all right mic guys. So why p. Back how was indoor vow strutton in but actually that euphemism. Yeah it's good to see you right here. Oh i didn't have time to really shaving a little fuss like you're a good friend. I appreciate because got a little piece of advice. Only media so all outdoors accounts great in and scramming everything every day. How many videos posted it on there. Whether under yours are all times depending on submissions. You have three of the easiest blogs you could ever write the headline takes the blog for. You don't have to spend any time trying to be funny like giant snake devours in antelope or whatever. People are going to click on that and watch video. You don't call it a any brainpower. Anything boom through blogs a day easy. I almost want to start doing it without telling you about it. I mean is that fair No but you're gonna listen. That's always the case blah. More is moore's animal videos. It is a universal language. It's no he's not wrong. There's no wrong was recently was always looking out always wanted me to come back now. I mean dave's out is. That was that no i wish. I wish that he was here. And you know we can get into that later but Yeah i was gonna come back. I'll always the first week after. I kind of had some things to take care of and this is the first week when i saw that. He wasn't going to be here last week and mike that sucks. I did email him and i'm like hey i don't wanna be duck and you want to be. Did he replied. Yeah you know. I mean i don't know should put out his business or anything but you know i'm not gonna. I'm not knocking him. And i never want to. Because i'm smarter than that. I'm not gonna let him like be gone and then i'm like creeping in. That's never going to work. So i'm sure i'll get my My lashings for amendment. I don't think he's a guy that you really duck are run from. You know what i mean. So he's he's then off broadway run from it. Yeah i know. And i know that he comes all the same. It'd be back in. And i'll be here and he'll be here and i'll get the my soul probably try to take from my body and that's okay an amir for it. I'm just here to work in trying to make good shit in like get back to the grind here. Maybe be a bad idea. But i just like talk without thinking. I'll have you thought about getting on a plane or in a rental car or train or something just to detroit and saying. Hey i'm here. Yeah i did. I did offer that and he was like no so. I thought hopefully yeah. I don't i get credit for it. But i i was like. Hey i'd rather go to you. Why didn't you come earlier. Why wait another couple of months Just ask some things. And you know what i obviously This fall we were filming stuff. We have a whole season that we filmed directly after the last one came out that i'm really proud of charlottesville until the bad blue and shot to do whites and we've got two more that are on pace to be released this year. Which three seasons in the year. It'd be pretty fucking. It'd be really excited about that. So dope it should awesome series. It's like the best produce thing. I think parcells ever done tikwa for its high quality. If you're trying to go hudson ducks that's like the most. That's all i know. Since january thirtieth two seasons though arrival yes. Fuck the ducks ahead. Can i also just love to eat. Duck would love to shoot a deer. But i just want to go out and murder. Docs bring them home. Roast them. That would brought one time got. We definitely do that. But i was a hog hunting feral hogs a few weeks ago. I like pork to. And i think it was the most violent thing i've ever seen in my entire life. It was extremely really. Got me a couple of years ago when when hank win frog gigging oh brother that that was princess polly compared to the stabbing one hundred thirty pound hog with my bare hands and heart. Blood scored a hit me hammer. It was no it was. It was insane and i've done. I've seen a lot of animals tear each other apart. I watch those type of videos all day. Oh my god it was. You kill you with a knife. Sorry yeah no. I didn't like weight as some look from. And i've been working this past like been working the whole time because very few people here have like a on off season where you fill and then there's nothing for months and then yeah but that's also some that i'm trying to rectify because i don't everyday unsocial. We're doing that for sure. But i think more original content all the time because like you said this is barcelona. Do fucking being here in the office help. Because i'll do a travel series. But then i have a couple of months where it's like. I'm either working on that. Just here working on that i'll get caught up in the mix and there'll be some sort of right exactly sure. I'm just happy to be here. It's good to see you guys in good to be just like and brains of work. That's all i have to say. I'll come back home What else you you know you got dog walk chicago chicago and on interviewing lance lynn wednesday. Quite new former cardinal then Tim anderson coming up soon. That'll be a huge one for us. He said no. He's the only socks like he's like my white whale because all the other guys say yes like no problem but then dog walk obviously donald. Listen review subscribe bullshit. Jimmy for the ducks yeah. Jennifer dow dropped seventy and the sharks lost that test. I think he dropped seventy eighty five game and we lost as well. Too so yeah. I'd gan satisfying for more frustrating. When you go over there and it's all about your personal gloria. I want to put up a hundred. I'll take loss every night on go fuck replay for me. Fuck us put up seventeen twenty shoot like yeah but he also the efficient or is it like i mean he was shingling shit i it sounds like he doesn't have a lot of faith in the rest i'd probably but yeah the week after the super bowl we'll be doing barstool abroad. Columbia blue forged going and eight part series. I asked dave. This was like three weeks before i left. He claims that he's fluent in spanish. And i was reading a lot of people. Don't speak that much english down there you're gonna use your spn. Y'all i mean well. He's got a strong doesn't sound good. But e payroll da sanyo's aussie k Studio la language peril You'll plato esker ask ray. Beer layer of total. I'm making read and write. And he has a study for ten years alone. it guys. yeah man. He wouldn't take day trips down. Yeah one one friday. When i first moved here i was like. Hey what are you doing. 'cause he was like one of my friends. He was like going to colombia. And i thought. I was like not cool. Mike does that mean like like south carolina in boca talk. Yeah apple story. I made it clear what was happening. And you still didn't get. That's i didn't want to be not cool dude. You're going to columbia columbia. And he saw each were wordsley. Hit me up when you're done. And i said no like i'm on a plane and he thought i was hot on a plane. I'm columbia nice broke john. Let's get right down town we plan to go to. Tom goes yeah. You know what white sox dave he can go he can be your translator. You can have but yeah. He didn't have a pass code the country. Obviously he's working on it though we're going to go scout some lamb talent down in the dominican or Soon all right These guys like i said we are on surviving. Barstool along with six. Other of your favorite bloggers So that will be filming that over the next several days to air. You'll be hooked up all week. And i am the ropes. Some shit up your challenges alliances backstabbing. And one sucked. Let me here for seven straight days. They're not allowed to leave the office It's it's funny how much you know you. Just when i it's the real world effect like see what happens when you put some people in a house we put you guys together and just said go and it's so far. It's been wildly interesting. I was a little nervous. I was like. I don't know seven days. What if they just kinda like sit around and it's not that compelling and right away there's drama there's stupidity there's there's excitement like it's human factor stranger than fiction type shit where it's like life just gets weird so We're gonna film all that and then put it all out so they keep us underground next. It's all coming up so This is the last because starting tomorrow. There's a lotta shit that one could leak. This will be the last appearance for anybody on forms so just get excited for surviving barstool and that'll be super bowl week presented by new amsterdam. So that's the rundown catch you guys.

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Full Show (Drew Brees retires, March Madness preview, Marvin Hagler, Clippers' inconsistency, Lakers)

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Full Show (Drew Brees retires, March Madness preview, Marvin Hagler, Clippers' inconsistency, Lakers)

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Come disputed from la skip bayless and jackson jackson. Hey last night. So here's a good point. I won four cases of diet mountain dew on brady brees one six cases a diet mountain dew on brady at araj five more cases of guy mount do on brainy versus mom. You've got to back on the all star game but friday night one to more cases diet because you said germain lebron james would hit four threes. Ailey hit a grand total of one date. Thank you so. You're bet that he take for the anyway. So we'll sheds left now. We'll talk about the lakers will talk about lebron later. But we do have to begin by a guy you mentioned skip but drew brees because guys. He announced his retirement yesterday after twenty seasons in the nfl. You'll even with a super bowl win and the league's all-time leader in passing yards and completions. And it's the end of an era for both freeze in the saints will have a different starting quarterback for the first time in fifteen years and in his announcement on instagram breeze quote. I am only retiring from playing football. I'm not retiring from new orleans not by rather a new beginning. Now i real life's work against so shannon. How will you remember. His career are remember him as an all time. Great skip that. No one saw this type of career. Happening i will. I'm old enough to remember. I was in the league when he got drafted. I started in baltimore in two thousand one in. I came back the bronco and then san diego chargers get. We're in the same division. Yeah and i got an opportunity to see him up close and personal skip. No one saw this coming if drew brief even told you he saw this coming. I don't believe he would be telling you the truth because remember. They got an opportunity to draft ally. Manning number one overall with the heat franchise quarterback named the other franchise quarterback that was so bad one year. They got the number one overall. Pick the following season. That does not happen but you know what a faithful injury happened and he probably thought man they gave what ten twenty percent chance of ever. Playing again yeah. The dolphin failed him on a physical and follow the laptop. Sean payton in new orleans saints who need a quarterback hurricane katrina and wallah. Magic happens in red is that they say skip history and it just goes to show you young. People is not where you start is where you end up. And what you do while you're there skip. Drew brees made it fashionable. He's the reason why you see. Russell wilson calum murray a baker. Mayfield a six foot slightly below quarterback man. You need to be six three six four. You need to have a canon of arm you know. He found a way to make to make it work of the twelve. Five yard passer season. That guy six foot tall drew brees have five bubble in of all the guys. He has probably have the weakest arm which just goes to show you. That arm strength is greatly overrated but skip. I'm going to remember him as a historically great player to get what he was able to get out of career. Yeah especially after. That injury speaks volumes to how hardy work. How in the the perseverance that he stuck to it but it was the right time. Skip if you look at him and the lab last playoff games look at him against a tampa. Look at him. The year before against minnesota. If you go back and look at them against the rams look at him the first half against the bike is before they got the minnesota miracle skipped. He hadn't played well in his last four playoff games true in the but i'm going to remember him. I'm still i'm do. How this little dude it. He they small may in. How did this little dude put up these kind of numbers. And i. i get whatever. Take the quarterback but still going ball down the field and he made it work. Do i'm going to remember drew. And a great great player. He won a super bowl and he beat peyton manning in the game in that super bowl skip but he also beat a three times. Mvp brett farve to get there in a two time. Mvp kurt warner so. He had a great run. That you could make a case that brady had a great run but you can put that run. That he got with the new orleans saints of their with any run ins in playoff culminated into the blow. So that's how. I'm going to remember him. As the great player maximizes ability got everything he could out of his ability. And i don't know hard pressed to see a city embrace a quarterback anymore. The new orleans embrace drew brees and he will remain with his family in new orleans. And i'm sure he will be like like a father figure. Yeah city here on a great gig lined up. I believe doing sunday night. Y'all on nbc. Congratulations drew brees on one of the all-time great careers ever. So i kept looking at these numbers last night and i kept trying to put it in perspective and there was one name. I just couldn't escape and it was a name you just brought up and that's tom brady. Drew brees career was all it was so great that it could have been the all time greatest just on shear statistic guess except he was born at the wrong time yes. He spent his whole career. Having to try to play up to tom. Brady and you just can't it's impossible. It's the bar is set absurdly high unrealistically high and kept putting him in the shadows of tom brady skill as mcnabb and peyton painfully a couple of peyton but if i just had to gauge or rate aranc breeze versus peyton. I at least put him in the ballpark. I could do it more. Lebron ask when you have great longevity. Nats and i go well. He did beat payton head to head and a super bowl. I was great. You just said that. Run up there. Yes and yet if we look at payton's postseason. It was fourteen and thirteen but he helped in denver that he got soon walls and then he won one and he kind of went along for a ride on that one sort of road. Von miller coat tails to them super superbowl. So peyton finish to and two and super bowls but he was only nine and ten in the playoffs while with the colts. Fourteen and thirteen overall. So if you just looked at the all time numbers you can start making that lebron asks or lebron versus jordan case that on just sheer longevity numbers that breeze had a slightly better career than peyton. Did as i wouldn't go there but you could at least can make you can debate it. You could delete debate it but you can't debate brady. Because drew brees has ended up in the postseason nine and nine and that counts that one. Run a three and out to the super bowls. If you take that away. Six nine in the postseason brady is thirty. Four and eleven with seven super bowl. It's game over. You can't even start the conversation there so he was just born at the wrong time he was born a year. Almost a half after brady was and yet it's got a crush drew. Brees that that the man that he's fought against since he was in college in the big ten is still going strong. So right now as we speak drew brees holds the all time record for most completions. Seven thousand one hundred and forty two. He holds the all-time yardage record of eighty thousand. Three hundred fifty eight yards. It's ridiculous number yards but does not going to stand because brady will catch and pass boulder them. Because i'm pretty sure brady's gonna play to more season. There's you know he's gonna play one. But i'm pretty sure it's good to and then after that all bets are off. We'll see what happens. But it's it's two more years. And i kept telling you i wonder if raid drew brees will. We'll go brady ask and say well okay. We posted that video week or so ago. I thought well is. He going to try to go brady and go somewhere just just to compete for numbers snow. No you know why. Because he's had enough his body has had enough. It's like you hit the wall at thirty five. It was both body and mind. You're just beaten from where you say. Okay that's i've done. All i can do and i'm satisfied with what i did. And he's got to be more than satya except for the brady factor and remember. It started back in college when nine hundred ninety nine drew brees at purdue started off four. No make all the way up to number eleven. And they went and visited number four michigan in the big house and it was tom brady at quarterback that day and brady threw two first quarter touchdowns and they were off to the races and one thirty eight to twelve so that sort of crush purdue and they ended up going seven and five that year so they plummeted out of the top twenty obviously so it started there and then it also had to crush breeze souls like all the sudden out of nowhere one year ago about today. What do we hear. Nobody saw that common white. Tom brady is going to drew. Brees division He is well. Breeze continued to him and thumped him twice and that that second thumping on sunday night football at tampa was just all time career. I thought it was the worst game. Brady's ever played on that sunday night at tampa obey and yet what happened in the playoffs. Who ended drew brees career. It was tom brady need did it again. And i'm not saying. He completely outplayed him. It was as you pointed out. It was more of a defensive game in that defense took the game against drew brees. Yeah fake bre- breathe like thirty. Thirty eight for two eighty eight touchdown to But the tracy porter made to play the game to pick six. That really sealed it off. Peyton drive within the platform tampa. Yeah no. he played basket. Who played bad grew. Well i mean he came apart. Thanks to but. But i'm saying it was almost more of a defensive game. You talk about us talking about tom. Brady didn't put up. Huge numbers played divas played out spayed. The best game of the year and antoine winfield junior a rookie out of minnesota made the may be because jared cook got it in his hands and he's grabbing first down yardage into tampa bay bill up seven point scale so worst case scenario about to get a field goal right hand they. He was crossing the fifty. Yeah from behind guess what balls on the ground and games on the ground and here they go away. You'll get a touchdown middle look back. That is correct. Okay so in the end you look at what he did as i would like to say. He's the greatest overachiever ever at the position. But the truth is i've told you i think brady's a little greater overachiever at the position than even drew brees. And i'll tell you why i'll tell you why okay look at drew's lineage. His family lynch his father played basketball. Texas am his mother who became a prominent attorney was all state in three sports in high school in texas. Pretty good in. I don't know if you remember his uncle. Marty acheson's he was the starting quarterback for darrell royal texas for three years. I just know him from the big oklahoma texas battles and he was a southwest conference player of the year in one thousand nine hundred ninety five. Marty aitken's texas fans will definitely know. He's pretty legendary will he. Drew's uncle right. So drew grows up in austin texas austin westlake they just dominate high school football. And nobody wants him. He couldn't get a from either texas a and m. or his father went or from universe. Dex where's uncle went. And he winds up it's either kentucky or purdue and he goes for do normally normally takes kids. Don't go to purdue okay. But i always thought. Drew brees was an underrated athlete. And i never. I never thought. Tom brady was an underrated athlete. Because i can't get that horror movie out of my mind. The forty yard dash that he ran. The reason why. I believe drew is a great over. Achieving cheever skip the size. Yeah if he would fix by okay. Tom but skip. We hadn't seen anything like this. Big tall quarterback bear. Maybe six foot. If i think he's definitely six okay. Arm like my big. I said okay. We'll get you throw the ball. He can launch an eighty yards. He had none of that. He didn't have michael baker calamari speed. Lamar jackson elusiveness. He didn't have right big arm. He average height every arm every level. And look what he got. Eight thousand yards you right brandon passing. He had two touchdown rigor to end up with answers. It's gonna pass him and everything but did without looking at them. A lake bed is not like the guy that would go play. Twenty years and at one point time had every two statistical meaningful category at the quarterback position. He did. I got it. So now we move forward in new orleans and they are going to sign james to a longer term franchise quarterback kind of a deal. They that's all the reports. That's all speculation that as we speak there were on a d. france. Pay him some money because he is a free agent right. Not restrict is free with anybody else. Make a big play for james. Maybe now i don't know what big money is. i don't know cam got fourteen with his incentive. Those i mean you gotta win. Go to win the playoffs. You gotta play fifty percent of the time you gotta have you gotta have that. I'm talking about james says. Look here give me ten million dollars base plus incentives. Yeah maybe then let me get. Let me get to the bottom. Tier quarterback numbers eighteen twenty million dollars. Let me get to the bottom. Dear but lebron james was the number one overall this is his seven seas and the nfl he willingly and happily took about a million bucks last year. Just as minimums you can get just to under study drew brees. He got his feet wet. A little bitty got in aim here or there we got the system down in his head it would be between him and taste some hill. We saw some get to start. What was it four games and nobody said that's the guy. No i don't think sean payton said does that's my man going forward but does he work. Gadget guy is a little bit of accomplish. Sure keeping rose. Yeah keep him. Let him do what he does right. Okay so janus what he always say. Hi turnovers in college. Winter league okay. And he did. In two seasons ago as he started his last full season in tampa you at thirty five turnovers which by far and away led the league in turnovers and the odds are he will continue to try to throw home. Runs at a cost to sean payton. That he will not like so i. I fear for james a little bit because these are again cam did a great job going to foxborough and fill in. Brady's cleats up there. The winged cleats of tom brady boy is going to have a hard time here because they are going to be very demanding starting next year because they need drew brees back in the saddle as far as production. Goes you remember. His last year in tampa. James through for over five thousand yards really already with thirty peaks. Imagine how many yards he would have thrown for haiti. Could that have a lot of bro. Pains record heat a he needs to understand. I think sean payton with dr. This home there are there. You have to take calculated risks. Everything can't be a jump ball to mike. Evans or jump ball to chris godwin. We win gave like that. Because you see what happened is caused in the playoffs. We turned about weary controlling this ball game until we turn the ball over. Yeah if you look at our playoff game that we've lost. We were in control of the game until we turn the ball over. That's what james has to understand. Brady has done the best job. Maybe of any quarterback understanding the situation in which he's in this defensive struggle. I can't turn the ball over. He takes care of big of the green bay game but in defense was in the bag that day. And they kill aaron rodgers out of the end zone. Where if he had gotten maybe one score a touchdown instead of kicking golden. Yeah who knows. The outcome might have been different but brady does a great job of understanding the moment understanding situations and wall. Put the ball at harvard weight. And you look like man brady and do anyway. But we got three hundred fifty yards four touchdowns. He got the job. And so i. I was more quarterbacks. Understood is dead of trying to win. The game brady will do a great job of not losing the game and i think that come from coach belichick playing in that fifth because coach. Bill didn't give him the best weapons if they look. Let's just keep a close with a chance to win it. That's why the both parts all of have come with one score games. They either way or losing the last last possession of the ball game. That's coach villages wanting to play. And that's been ingrained in tom so tom more times than not he's not going to lose a game a ballgame late in the game with a costly turnover. Okay so bruce. Arians obviously no risk it no biscuit but you don't think sean payton is a gambler of a playcaller except he had brees who complete sixty eight percents of his passes for his career which is extraordinary right so he had a guy who could gamble with because drew brees wouldn't usually do anything crazy when he called a gambling. Clay withdrew disk is that people got tired. Drew just nibble la- check out here. Flair the aba chimera little slant route to a mike thomas and everybody also start getting greedy. Why aren't gonna jump this and ninety double move you. And so now they they. They run gadget. Plays didn't catch you looking in the backfield. They picked up the taste him. He'll takes them. He'll pro ball head. James needs to understand if you turn the ball over in this league you lose and you go to the bitch. That's what cost him his job in tampa. It wasn't like he turned them all over. Too mosquito five thousand yards there. There's only been twelve of those seasons. Brees got five of them but he's in there with stafford in drew drew. Brees a tom brady peyton manning dan marino ben roethlisberger gave only a handful. The guy that's throwing for five thousand. He did it with thirty peaks. He did so the talent is there if he has to. He has the minimize the turnover. So now the marquee showcase games. I'm assuming on fox will no longer be breezed versus brady but they will be james versus his former team. Now headed by tom brady right. Well i if. I'm not mistaken. I mean boxers probably hocutt. I think tampa goals to new england. I think they play new england ex. You they do. I know. I know fox hoping tampa goes to new england as opposed the vice versa. Because they go. There is our game our home. It's ours. i'm not even sure how it goes. But whatever yeah we go to foxborough to play we assume cam but we're not sure it'd be. Cbs game because it's a homeless camp or is jimmy g. Still in the work. Was i mean when i look at drew scale for him to be six foot tall would not. The biggest of arms would not the greatest mobility nothing. He has no collar athleticism. No mike vick armed. No none of this gift. He doesn't have josh allens high but he got that out of his ability. And i didn't like. I said as i was on clothes i got an opportunity and i was talking to a team mind. I was like man. I was there. Drew bitch we played them. Skip on a sunday my last year. He got busy. They put doug flutie in. I got it with doug flutie and mccain. i didn't love it. In fact. I was working in chicago and made a point of going out to north western one saturday to watch drew. Brees must have been his junior year Just to see what he looked like. I came away unimpressed. And what you said at the end he says this is not the this is not the end but the beginning of my life work shirt. He's been great yup. He's been he's been better than great for the city of new orleans for someone to immerse themselves in the community like he has. They've they. I said this and eight and i told you i can't. I don't know if there's ever been a black community. Embrace a quarterback like the city of new orleans had you yep. Don't get that anywhere drew. I mean this is special. I mean what he's been able to do it for katrina. And then he gave five million dollars this past summer. I get this lip. That's just a blip on the radar if that's all you're going to remember. Drew brees for about something that he said that he had a misstep. Etta misstep if that's how you gotta remember. He stood by what he said in two thousand sixteen about neil for the ant right and then. He apologized about his profusely. Apologize for me. Okay good action to work. You say you're sorry to make a man okay. And he did. He did that and it seemed like he won his whole team back absolutely absolutely because he's been so great in the community and that what got the community so upset skip is because he has been so great drew. We've picked somebody somebody else to say something like this too drew i got you. That's why it hurt them. So bad i and i tried to convey that to him. But i'm gonna remember a guy that had a great great career and he got more out of his career and maybe even drew thought he could. Yep well done well done well done. 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North carolina where than the strongest. They normally are. This might be the best chance for non power five team to win the national title. And if it isn't the power five conference if probably going to be someone maybe we leave expect or someone. We'll really think the basketball program so for me. I'm like shoot at darkest cut up a lot of teams. You know they go weeks without player you know. They got two weeks. I'll be. I think michigan with like two weeks without even playing a game almost had michigan in my final four bracket skip but the losses right at the tail end. You can't lose to michigan state. We use the superior superior clearly the better team and then you lost again when they got blown out at home by illinois so was like nah. I can't pick you guys gonzaga within easy choice. Gonzaga gonzaga zags. They've been the best team entire season. And if you look at the roster. Now i didn't. I didn't know this guy. Masterpiece you'd podcast. Give me say. He mentioned his guys but they start a senior a redshirt. Junior junior sophomore. The freshman now the freshman point guard jalen me believe he'll be a top five pick. It will be if you look at the way. They're constructed you. You see why normally they're always his somehow because they always have these guys get their stay tuned three years so instead of play at all freshmen based team. They have a cup both seniors and juniors sprinkled in there. I have them as one. I'm going to take illinois. They want fourteen last fifteen beat ohio state overtime to claim the big ten title. I like the beat michigan earlier. So i like them take alabama. They're not they're not bad. Would you think about say a will. Not only did they win the conference championship. You put they did it in basketball with the first time since nineteen ninety-one so i like them to come out of the east and i'm gonna take ohio state. I think they've played well to do what they did to michigan. And they've been in the top five top five they lose. They lost two or three games. But i believe they're ready. So i got gonzaga bellboy. Alabama ohio state. Now the only word. I one hundred percents confidence. Getting the four is what i like my bracket okay and you have which team winning it. All i got zags beating the atlanta. Okay i concur with you only on your. I know tournament okay. I have been picking his tournament forever and it gets harder by the year does and this is the hardest year ever because of all the cova. Crises sport has faced. Gonzaga was down and out for a while with cova issues and yet in all my time watching sports. The most aptly appropriately nicknamed sport in the history of sports is march is truly madness. It is the all-time roller coaster ride often for all the wrong reasons. Because it's not even fair that you take a lot of eighteen and nineteen year old kids and you throw them into very strange vineyards at weird times can be early or late and it's just one and done in. It's a three point shooting contest from a line that's much closer than the nba line and you either make him or you missed them and if you have one bad day where your stars having a fight with his girlfriend or whatever is happening off the court you go at home. So that's the the bitter and the sweet of this tournament. So so i just throw it up in the wind and see what comes back down so i agree with your picks only on one. I agree with alabama. I think alabama from start to finish. Look to me like an even more consistent team to me to my i think in zagreb looked because alabama starts to seniors and two sophomores. And in they're scoring it goes shackelford winner. League petty junior jones go fourteen thirteen twelve and eleven points a game so they're incredibly balanced and that coach nato oats. I think he's on his way to becoming a roy williams or maybe moving alabama alone. I don't know. I mean you could build a powerhouse. There's not like they didn't build a power and football right. Oh you okay. i got it. But he's off to the races there and remember. They won nine of their last ten. They won the conference. They won the conference tournament. And i'm going with alabama's one of my picks out of that league. I'm also going with arkansas. Because back on several twenty. Four th at arkansas. My man moses moody just did a number on alabama and they won eighty one to sixty six. That was the game of the year for arkansas coach. By my guy. Eric muscleman who. I knew pretty well when he coached the golden state warriors annoys bounced around a little bit. But he's coaching the heck out. Arkansas my second team. Then i'm now down to the two players who are vying for player of the year one is going to be the first pick in the draft and they'd cunningham and i've watched him a lot this year. I probably watch tin cade cunningham games at oklahoma state. I'm in oklahoma guy. But i watched the orangemen a lot. I want to know more. You'll soon with two. Well he's done a couple of numbers. And i i don't know if i want go special yet. But but he's going to be the first pick in the draft and he's getting to where he's just growing up right before your very eyes. We're now he's a man among boys and he's just a fresh obviously gotta but he's just taking over games he can distribute it. He can score from three can take it to the rack and in games like this skipping the tournament like this guy's freshman can take it over. They can't remember camilla in remem. Remember purpose ellison so we've seen freshman dominate dominate. This run when you win six games and he. He had that kind of billy that he can take over a game in a given moment and i was shocked. They were only a four seat. Unlike seed. are you kidding me. They're just better than that. And they're going to win the midwest over illinois. Then that leads me one team and i'm going with the two seed and gonzaga's region because in the west because i watched a bit of a game played on december nineteenth and it was at sort of a covert protocol site that they had to just set up on the fly in sioux falls. South dakota gonzaga's home game against iowa right now. We're to the other player of the year possibility. We gotta luca in college basketball. His neighbors luca garza luca and that night against gonzaga. He went thirty and ten. He goes about six eleven but he and thirty points and ten rebounds but jalen suds who. I love because he will compete. He's got a lot of refused losing him. He made seven of ten threes that night. They made fifty percent of their threes. While i a- went four for eighteen from three so it was a three point contest and gonzaga ended up. Run away from ninety nine to eighty eight. I believe that will get reversed in the regional final. So i'm going to go with luca over gonzaga in the regional final bill make a lot more threes and gonzaga they better and so that leaves my final four then arkansas versus oklahoma state. And i'm gonna go arkansas in that game as much as i like. I love kate cunningham. But listen at checkout mos- moody and tell me he can't play who and then i've got iowa's to seed against alabama another two seed in the other semi-final. I've got alabama winning it all. We got alabama winning it all over arkansas. That ever happened of oboe team. That won the same year. I i don't know. I think because i think is the most battle-tested of all the teams. They beat our by levin beacons by twelve. They beat virginia about twenty three. There are two three and four seeds in the perspective brackets. So i know gonzaga is battle-tested. Byu had them down and they come back and the final in crush byu. So i think the battle-tested they have enough upperclassmen wrinkle in with us insatiable freshmen in order to get the job done because when you play freshman lead teams give if i'm gonna posing i said look all i wanna do is get it to the last five minutes a game. I know now we let them get up and down. Their athleticism is better than our. But i wanted to get them where they have to think and they have to execute in the last five minutes. We'll see us get coach kane and wisconsin. Because they got to the last five minutes of the game. They had all that tele call anthony towns. All those guys lissi vacant execute left five minutes would let them up and down. Put them in the half court fit. Were gonzaga yet. They can rain three. Put them in. The half court said they got enough. They got enough experience to get the job. Somebody's going to be the case we'd like you said or any given night. Somebody get hot cold in his good night. It's kinda like georgetown and creighton creighton in the ocean. Georgetown could miss. They blew about graduation. Patrick you and how they all know who you are medicine at. Msg right now. That would that with a great door. But normally you know skipping out fill out a bracket oblate. I like this. I'm like this bracket care about. I feel about breaking the day not really shooting in the dark. Okay we'll so how many one seeds you got one one seat. How many the hour by the lord my win. We got two cases on it to cases on my bracket. don't be better than yours to cases on the brackets. Whatever you wanna have you wanna bet it like the most final fourteen okay. I'm good thank. You have none. You realize every time you propose a bet on this show you lose. You don't be limited by saturday no by sunday. What you'll be dude. You brag eilly. Possibly think you might be doing long aac skip. I'll i need one. Vaga me all the way home. Hey just remember. I said this alabama get revenge over arkansas for its one bad lost the whole year and it was at arkansas on february. Twenty fourth eighty one to sixty six. Alabama is the steadiest team. I watched all year. Even steadier and better coach than gonzaga is remember. Gonzaga's never won this thing. After all the cinderella story in this i believe this is their best chance also Because normally always do there's always the north carolina and went up against north carolina. The laws against north carolina always been those those true blueblood powerhouses. That's been remaining where they would have to go up against its give. There aren't any of those guys and the blue bloods they got. They got a lot of one and done guys and even some of the one in duns opted out some of them got injury got injured and so this is wide open eight. If i'm mark. I'm telling my guy. This is as good a chance is we don't have right now. See this guy would tell them that. I'm television. I yes i would know. We gotta actually no duke. I mean carolina's eighty michigan michigan state. Ucla will be in the in game. You you ucla. What like kennedy pay. It's flipped on. Its head yes. I agree but the power is still there you got you had you. Who'd you have clemson. At notre dame and alabama. You had ohio state. The power have even on a kobe shortened season. The power house was still. They're not in basketball. Can you imagine a final four with no with no notre dame no ohio state. No clinton no alabama no agree. So here we go. I'm just happy that we have march madness because this time last year when we weren't able to watch basketball us so yes we're looking forward to it. Great stuff from both you guys. And i can't believe shannon with bam no surprise there guys the cowboys. We've got to move on to skip seeing. They can officially cross a dak prescott extension off their off-season to do list but with the legal tampering period beginning in just two hours dallas canal. Turn their attention to other free agents. Cowboys have quite a few holes to fill notably on defense which we've been talking about and bleacher report. Recently named the top priority for each team during free agency saying that the cowboys major quote finally attack safety so skip. We will start with you. Here is your team. What are you hoping to hear cowboys. Here's my first issue with my dallas cowboys. Seems like forever like seems like the last two decades back to man darren. Woodson has the term safety been an oxymoron for my team. Meaning it's it's completely unsafe at safe. Roy waves humour into box and he was definitely in the box. I've had our man's xavier woods. Who's sat right here. And he's a great young man but he's been xavier too often lost in the woods for me so the market has some intriguing names on it so i look at the to atlanta. Safeties are both right there for dana. Win and nobody's going to know them better than my new defensive coordinator dan quinn. Obviously the new. Dc the head coach atlanta so kiani. Neil their box. Safety is on the mark and ricardo allen. Their free safety is on the market. And the reason they're on the market to me is. You're always trying to replace both of them. Because they're pretty good but they're not that guy right and then the hooker out of ohio state. I loved him coming out and twenty seventeen and then he tours acl and then he court towards achilles tendon tricky. He is by far the most talented on the market. But do you trust the health. I don't know it's a little scary to me and a little shaky trae. Boston is out there to shawn. Gibson is out there. These are all pretty good players. Pretty good players pretty good. pretty good. Who come at relative bargains. Are that much better than xavier woods. Donovan wilson probably not that much better. Maybe a little more experienced. But there's still that guy he's still out there. I have beaten this table for so many years beaten. It beaten bayton it. Go get earl thomas. I know what happened in baltimore. He just flamed out. He had a fight with chuck. Clark the other safety and and then he went home and pose blown assignment over his buddy buddy posted team internal video to try to prove his point about chuck clark and then took it down. Which was a violation of team rules. Go posting your your internal practice video. And then he had an off season incident involving his wife who allegedly held a gun on him and it was it was just a mess and and they filed for divorce a lead reportedly could he be held accountable for that for conduct unbecoming if he does in fact comeback. He's still only thirty. One years of age is earl thomas. The last full season he played in baltimore and two thousand nineteen. He made the pro bowl. You can say. He made it on reputation but i thought he played pretty well that year. Their defense ended up third in points allowed news pretty good and he. He contributed a lot that defense. I believe he can still play as he approaches age. Thirty two into next year. He grew up wanting to be a cowboy fan. If we could see the video of what happened back in two thousand seventeen remember he chased jason garrett all the way up the ramp at jerry world after seattle won that game. Come get me jason. Come get me now. That was when he was flying high for the seahawks and he was at contractual impasse with them he wanted to be paid then he fell out with pete carroll honey what did he do break his leg. Broken leg to flip got up so we know. There's lots of baggage there but speaking of dan. Quinn did dan not coach him. Is dan not knowing your. Could dan not say hey. I'll be good with him. I can. I can handle it. I know how to push the right buttons. Now that you have back back in the saddle as team leader is dax personnel. Strong enough to kind of keep earl in check. Yeah i believe it is. So he's a real life pro bowl safety who i still think has two or three good years left. We've seen safeties in their mid thirty rod woodson had a great run late but the thing was. Is that what you have to understand that your safety skipping as you start to age you can't take the risk that you took at twenty six twenty seven and i'm not so sure earl understands that and that that's the problem because he's still trying to make those same place and as we get older our reflexes is not. They're not what they be. What about johnson. you don't like him from the rams. I wonder you price. I'm just wondering. I keep waiting for the bombshell dropped. At the rams have re. I can't believe he's going to actually hit the market harris for the vikings. He's a good player but these are out of the price. Range type players. I'm just telling you try to get a bargain. They always say he doesn't like to spend now. I would spend if you could if you could get one of those guys more your price layers command skill. We've all been to these doors and they're the little hand with a lot of little mixed products in there. There's some of these some of that dollar. They not being for reason. Now if you get what you pay gustav normally on the shell is not in that little. Being in the center of the store is earl thomas in that been. Yeah he being okay and can you tell me what a bargain he might be. If you got him at the veteran minimum just so he could play his way back into good graces in the league. he will be a great bargain skip. I think the mere fact that he had been signed. You haven't even heard his name mentioned. Let you know the baggage that comes along with this young man because trust me. They reached out to seattle. Because if it's an isolated incident we could understand that. But how do you take that baggage. The what you had in seattle baltimore skip. If you can't get along you baltimore locker room. I know because. I was in baltimore's locker room. They let ozzy john harbaugh. They let you be you because of you'll be you. That means you go play. You put up. Don't conform to anything. If you talk talk if you do whatever you do do it okay. He couldn't he couldn't confirm that. Come to this camp and they still fighting still arbitration mediation whether or not they're going to pay twenty two thousand factory. I think speaks volume that this man is taliban you said as he is still there's unable to find gainful employment that lets you know there was a lot worse than what the even the media knew. What if they're all wrong. What if he has been humbled by his. What if he's willing to come in helmet hand and say okay. I know i have to do this to achieve rishi that it his his favorite childhood team and a coordinator that he played four before. Skip the hardest thing to do is when you've had success. Doing something one way is to change that way. Early always took risk in his paid off for him going into pro bowl being all pro being all decade safety. And so now you're asking him because he doesn't make those plays that you made you say see. That's why nobody signed it so you have to be willing to let him gamble. So are you willing to. You have type defense. That can overcome his mistakes. I don't believe you do. I don't believe you do. Yeah with thirty. One is not too old at that position. No because you can play that position with your head as well as your body yes yes. Uk but what he played a rod woodson charles woodson skill that they weren't taking those they got older and older they took less and less risk taking more and more risk. It's because he's gifted ball hawk safety as anyone this side of real. Yes get what you need. Let me know you can't just go do it. Okay look at everybody else. How about your free abra. I've been jumped his around so watch the whole for me. Yep how about how about how about the corner. Abraham i get deep komo job because when they throw this jumping me starting safeties. I've had to suffer through. Who don't even belong in the market right now. How low my barra said you know how much i used to love. Earl thomas do you know how close jerry was. He thought he had. We're going back now for almost three years ago. He had it done according to everybody who knew and at the last second john. Schneider the jeevan seattle jerk that proverbial he's talking to jail and once you do that to jerry. Dax seemed to overcome. It's given for not forgot but he forgave in remember. They had it for a second round. Pick right the last. Second john steiner. We want a for airplay. Really wish you. Don't the guy start playing. Well you play will play a wheel through a couple of touchdowns. Yeah and the main it he not play well against my cowboys up in seattle face them. He took the game over did he is capable of taking games over. He's so much better than what i've had. He would be to me worth the trouble to hope that he was in the right place at the right time with the right coordinator. The right quarterback in charge of the locker room in the right america's team around him where he says i'm home and be on my best behavior. Yes give you mentioned Ricardo allen and kiana there were supposed to be meal if get counter a reeves john wick more than i paid back. Get because it would be over. We would win every game. They were supposed to be kam. Chancellor and earl thomas yup in atlanta meal was going to be the thumper alum was going to be the whole same that. Pick things off your role. I guy for whatever reason it didn't pan out maybe they didn't ever quite lived up to that billing right now i agree which is why atlanta final. Okay let's start over this starting over but skip you may have you might have the by the you say you got some money. John johnson might be the best available. Evan harris so you might have to bite the bullet and go. At and twelve million dollars. I would take him. If i thought they weren't going to just break the bank because they might you gotta spend money. Take money to make money. Which got alden smith out there and we've got to bring him back that's crucial but you just won't everybody. You want players. All smith was not a in the bargain bin last year. Yeah and then. He played well enough to be how much money you want to pay him. That's the x factor. This whole thing. I don't know it does he. Oh dallas anything because dallas gave him a great champ to the fun and yeah he had. Fun dallas t. Right plan for mccarthy. I think he did say five million dollars. I like that. Yeah so you want to say in that same range. Will you get one of that group. See earl. Thomas might play for the veteran minimum just to have a chance to redeem himself. Now that's the steel of the deal. Do really believe ero type. Though i still believe in i believe in it as a player. I can't. it's hard for me to defend off the field. We go well. Jerry do it. Oh that works for you here today that we have signed our old timers you you will be. You'll be scared rely so no. No also earl thomas you better than tampa green bay which you better than our offense is right there with the good you take office to the super bowl visit home. Which is down. See the lakers. Beat the pacers friday one. Oh five to one hundred despite trailing for most of the game and by as much as twelve points early in the fourth the lakers outscored the pacers. Thirty one fourteen to close the game. How kuzma finished with a team. I twenty four points. Thirteen rebounds including five eight with two three pointers in the fourth circuit was this a blip or a trend here for kuzma. Hope is trend But it's just hard to trust. Coups now i did like scale the last time i saw him play against sacramento. He really well any play. Follow that up with their out. Lebron lebron But i think the thing is what helps mma if he's accepting of his role whether you come in with you start or you coming off the bench. You have to be accepting a road. And i know it's hard. Because he's the guy that was in his drafts he sees what they're doing. See guys closing evade. He brandon ingram's doing he sees. What jason tatum jalen brandon. Donald mitchell is doing but none of those guys have a lebron james. Anthony davis no on their team so he needs to understand that look at carmelo anthony when he accepted his role that you know what. I'm coming off the bench. He never accepted an okay see. He never really accepted his role. He wanted to be the guy that he was in new york. All these other places. He didn't accept his role. In i in portland when he embraced that role. Look at millo now can be sad on any given night that that used to be used to be skipped where he is not his career he the perfect role cow. Couva needs to understand. If i'm not scored. I can do other things to help his team win. He's started crashing to board of his last six games. he's had at least eleven rebounds. That's just extraordinaire right. All i would see a day but occasionally he'll still make those play you like. Cou you lebron passing the ball scale with three seconds on the clock. He drew the back. Lebron panther you over three you fake the guy. I'm like i hope the tree because we got the new anthony. Davis is going to be gone for another two weeks. So what you talking about. Where they got a break day played a friday night. They didn't play again to monday because what they got. They got monday night. Tuesday night thursday night. Friday night sunday. You okay with that skill. They got five games and sixty. You go with afghanistan. You got three complain. You call commission. You don't come out of what's going on with braun. He's getting all the breaks. I can't have him win the mvp. Well they're trying to hand him the good. How do you try to head. Maybe if he's well now joel embiid trying to hand him that toge availability took yoke. But anyway i like what. I'm seeing skipped. Hopefully hopefully hopefully he can continue. Play at this because what now. We don't know galls out so the bench guys are going to have to going to have to play extremely well. Go get babe. He's going to have to give you twenty five thirty minutes going to bump that up. How many minutes did he played tonight. He played thirty minutes. Okay you're going to give us a debate. You give a thirteen rebounds. okay. I can live with that. I can live with twenty four thirteen. Yep so i have always from the a much bigger coups mma fan than you are you have. I believe from the start. he had a closers mentality. He is a fearless shooter. Nothing seems to bother him. No shot is too big for him. He'll take not saying he's gonna make everyone but he shoots everyone like he thinks he's made it and this was an ex speaking of extraordinary. What comeback this was. They're down eight to the pacers at staples beat the sun's just and and brogden his again just out of his mind. You can't stop him and it's not the not definitive because they were having one of those nights and i thought and you're sunk at home again. You're going to lose yet. Another home game without anthony davis and guess who showed up kyle kuzma. He didn't just show up. He showed completely out the fifteen in the fourth quarter fifteen and had four more rebounds just in the fourth quarter alone and all the sudden if we could see those two threes one more time that he made. He makes one with six thirty three to go. This finally gave them the lead. Just just shoots it past pass. He's best what am i that writer. They shot that and he starts just dancing on his tip toes because he knows it's good and that gave him a four point cushion at five fifty eight so those threes were the two turning points that night. So i've felt for coups because when eighty came it's like he tried to become the third wheel for those two and they didn't want any of it you could just tell by their body language we're duo not a trio and he had to figure out i'm not the third wheel. I'm actually the six wheel. Because i'm there'd be the first one off and i'm going to have to do the dirty work with dad that's a role that's best for him because guess what one of those guys are going to be off the floor so now you get more opportunities. That's that's the way he has to look at it not man. I'm better than this man. i should be. There are a lot of guys. Give that jamal crawford could been a louisville starter but he understood that i can be more of an asset in this role to this team then starring role so he gets an opportunity to get shots because a d. Normally start to the second half the second quarter on the bench yup or libro lease normally the first guy ample abroad so now he's gonna get opportunity. Get his shot. Where he played alongside eighty libra skip. You know first aid. Lebron eighty bra eighty. Okay okay we give you one. That's how it works. But i love that he themes to embrace this role in realize you know what. I won't just need to score thirty in order to help his team win. I can grab the rebound. I play defense. I still say he is your closer stops that for two years. You won't hear it ain't true. Drew closed that one. Why game we don't play party games. He calls one utah closer. They won't give him a chance. Give him a chance. He will continue to seize this off those words. He will be the clothes in front of lebron and eighty so lebron played nine minutes that fourth quarter on tonight and he scored a grand total of two points and he did have four assists because coups helped him in that department but he took only two free throws and he missed both of those so he has two points. No free throws. There's no way you should win the game and kyle kuzma scored fifteen points. Cal coups those two threes and just took the game completely over from a hot team. That's who he is and what he can be in can do but lebron has to bless him and he used a quote that i cannot utter. Not hell he was having. I'll just say i contact with lebron sort of i'll go. It's like you're having flirting taylor. Little further is. I'd never heard that quote or but it was. He was trying to tell you. Just give me the ball. Does bother octopus. As far as you like it you'd like it. In fact he got eight is he. Doesn't see you. I give you that. You draw the flailing away. That's what happened. That's sharks get you. You start piling in the water or the surfboard with the paderborn board short little that's the injured animal let me go take a bite out of it. What you do play you. Tried to deep is don't do you can put hand your short lebron but in the conal lebron has seen him for two years and wouldn't give him the basketball he was. He was doing what he said he would do. On the broad. That what he'd been do up that what you've been doing. So we could pay them the balkan he would method it up. He's fearless. He has no conscience and no memory. I needed album cartridges. Where we now we about three fourth. I don't need you jack willy. nilly shots holidays. If lebron would jack up his confidence in and make it a the team. I got it but lebron is never made it his his sort of mission in life. What's he doing with. Tnt clutch client like. Oh he's special. He's he's he's saying on several occasions. The game is slowing down cools. He's he he understands a role he helped to a championship. Skip the greatest confidence. Lebron give you. Is you still own the team after the trade deadline next season bafta greatest compliment. He can get you. I was hoping they would trade him because he would come back to haunt right now. Bradley beal reading that okay. Fine i don't think the was. You will rarely be illiteracy. What happened go ahead. We did this you know but you should want to be your closer notes. Underutilized huge underutilized. He has not the closer. How can you be a close goat. James of the closer and then comes a deed because we have closed before. Nobody closed skill. I mean those buzzer beaters. Do we got buzzer beater. Hit the play offs. Nobody's hitler in the play offs. Nobody has more playoff buzzer beater. Go jane nobody has remotely taken as many as james jordan. It's ridiculous how many he's taken you know. Are we taking healed. So we've been detained finals game that he'll do you realize your man is the all time worst late game. Free throw shooting. He just the worst any star. What we do. We don't let it come down and sometimes it's just going to come down to that and i'd much rather have cal kuzina taken that shot lebron taking that shot especially if it's a free throw no because they probably gonna call it. They don't give us retail call. Ucla be mugging. The i did. It will give us no calls. Well he still planned bully ball and they're just saying you're bigger and stronger than any of them just score it. No no uta finish it. No that's not what you said. You say lebron go to the basket and make them call the fao. He's doing that now. You tell him. Don't call the fi. Just go to basketball and have that attitude. But he can still score like crazy. Still the best driver. The basketball i've ever seen in remains that to this moment he's also best basketball pleading. Not that i've ever seen that in the heat right now. The eight best. I've ever seen don't do this don't do that. That's becoming somewhat of your character. You do that i will. I'll take the man you grew up loving the most over lebron. You know you won't day. Larry bird's veteran lebron. You wanna talk about late-game shooting and everybody knows. Lebron james is regarded university the greatest mall for whatever. That's that that's that liam debate that now. We can debate to go. You wanted to be. You said he's not. I said years now. We can debate to go but when it comes to small ball was there is no debate was big for the small full. Mikhail played played before played center robert parish. They're kind of like i nine six seven foot. Yup all right. We've got the lakers in my mind and skip you lakers purple going today. I like that it works. It's all call kouzmin. Close the loop with on. We're gonna talk about a little later. On what is the toughest and most beloved boxers of the modern era former undisputed middleweight champ. Marvelous marvin hagler saturday at age. Sixty six a nine hundred ninety three inductees boxing hall of fame handler. Defenders undisputed middleweight title. Twelve times from nineteen eighty to nineteen eighty seven final about have freshman clear against longtime rival sugar. Ray leonard in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven was a twelve round thriller which leonard won by split decision remaining one of the most disputed results today so shannon. A start with you here. How will you remember him. The ferocity which he fought sometimes get by. Look at my age the hand. See all these going on. Nasdaq man that sometimes. I wish i was twenty five thousand essay. But no then i would miss things like marvin hagler. I would have missed bird magic matchups. But i'm old enough to remember when this man. And he fought in the time and he poured into the vision skid they had him they had tommy hers sugar. Ray leonard roberto duran. They had iran barkley the head. John mugabe who stopped show they will visit the first four were called the four king. Yes just like the heavyweight division. In the seventy ali frazier forman norton. All those guys killed. That's when it was and this man for everybody. And i was reading his background. Skip his first title fight. It was a drawl. He felt he won and he put it in his mind. If i'm not gonna leave it up to the judges. He went to every fight to destroy him. He worked up his mind skipping. What those celano fight. He's sincerely dislike everybody. Any of a south pole. Stay young people that were. why didn't he get. I think what happened boxing. If was was was great and they really loved guys that went to the olympics. Sugar relented went to the olympics. Of what are lee. Joe frazier george foreman. All those guys were. This guy came out of brockton mass and he fought. Skip the tommy hers fight. Yep is good fight you see. I don't know if you'll ever see a fight that action packed and guys land. I don't know how he's steward with what tommy hers was hitting him with and they all stopped the fight because tommy the split split his forehead open in the first round did tommy. Hearns had data my right hand and earned. The hitman hearns walked. I mean hagler. Walk through him. And he was so disgusted. Betty law that he believed that he would. I think he wanted to fight. Also skip that. He said i'm done. I'm done with leonard. Should never fought again. Yeah let's give. Everybody ran through mugabe. He fought roberto duran. You defeat him and everybody what to duran a lot of guy. A who the heck. Roy jones union. He talks about durant and how tough he was. He talks about tommy hearns. Instead hagler walk through and he the not only with your fighters give me the boxing. He said that guy right there had a chan- that was undeniable and when he got into the ranks give me went trae the scorecard. He would try to get you out. He put pressure. That's what you get a boo day fight. There was none of that when this guy when they're on bail he was trying to wring your bill and he's going to be sorely missed like i said i got an opportunity to see him fight in skilled. We say oh. He's a fighter midday box now. Yeah these guys looked fighters. They bought feeling. If you're feeling. I use a the to the guy you know. We'll see what are you going to do. He came to eight dollars gloves and he came to live on people here in. He got you out of the ring so to me. Marvin hagler was the most intimidating boxer. I ever saw looking boxer. i'm talking about. He was only one hundred sixty pounds and he looked so much bigger than one sixty his head off he he was ripped us and he was on top of all that to your point he was left handed. Which made it even more intimidating looking. I'm talking about intimidating beyond. George foreman at his nastiest beyond mike tyson was my about long. Wait than my for mike tyson. Give you. That's the that's who he reminds you if you him fight. That's when we were one hundred sixty mile mike tyson. He was scary looking in. Could back you. And i covered most of all these big king versus king fights except the one that i missed because i had qualified for the boston. Marathon was the hagler hearns. Fight in vegas at caesar's so i ran the boston marathon on that monday and it was a monday night. Fight which is weird. But that's what it was. And i watched it on closed circuit tv at the hotel. I was staying at which is hagler stronghold in boston brockton s so everybody was out of their minds in this hotel ballroom for hagler in that first round is simply the greatest first round i've ever seen in a bunch of ali frazier great round hagler her hagler leonard hagler yes. First round i've ever seen that was in one thousand eighty five And to your point hagler took one overhand right in. Its split. Scalp right up near his hairline and it was. It was gushing. Man is gushing blood. And richard steele is the ref and i thought. Don't stop it because deal would have stopped. That fine by hagler won that first round. I thought and then he knew deep down. I got a knock him out. Because i don't know if we're gonna let me finish. And so we got him in the third round and it was all time fisticuffs man. It was throwing as hard as you can throw on. Both older trolls hit man versus marvelous in finally hearns. Went down tried to get up just before the attend and he was just too wobbly. Virtue steele said that's enough then. Here came sugar. ray leonard. Can he was the complete antithesis of marvin hagler he was everybody's hero. Ick middleweight to villain. That hagler was becoming. Yes in hagler did not like it because he thought he was up against it politically against to sugar right right because sugary never looked like he weighed one hundred sixty. He looked waifish at that middleweight. Right and yet. He knew how to box he was your man. Floyd four floyd the guy. He was showman and air personality. What have had great charm. Listen marvin hagler was a good interview because he was so forthright and in just he was so willing to try to tell you how i felt right bottom of his heart but But it wasn't entertained. It wasn't charged with no smiley. He didn't have doors for me smile. He didn't have sugar as personality. George didn't have his smile when he was george. Foreman ahead for the first time around. George was he was charged with sugar. Skip sugar ray. With the six olympic champ. He was on. He was on the wheaties box. Everybody loves sugar rain. Everybody loved him. And i'll admit i loved him too but he kind of took marvin for a ride because remember five years before the the fight that they finally fought eighty seven. Marvin thought they were gonna fight right and in fact he went all the way to baltimore for a televised event that that he was the announcing of and he was there as sugar. Ray announced. i'm gone. I'm retired and remember. He sat for. I think about five years ahead of this five there and it made both of them. Older fighters thirty two. And here we went. And i was there at ringside. I did think ray won the fight. And maybe it's because i was a fan but the problem with the judging that night was one ref had one fifteen thirteen ray and one ref had at one fifteen one thirteen marvin hagler right and the other ref named joe joe garra had it one. Eighteen one ten sugar ray leonard. One eighteen one ten. We'll listen. I'm a big fan and even like there's no way he won that when eighteen. Yeah he must have been watching magnum. Pi gunsmoke that night because he knew he wouldn't watch it to fight. He wanted put meals with his closed. Circuit tv right. Why and that's how sugary quote unquote one. That fine marvin has always insisted. Ray will not allow this. He will not exalt acknowledges publicly but marvin said obviously to his dying day. That is they hugged in the middle of the ring after that. Fight hagler in sugar ray. Leonard that that sugar ray said to him. You beat me man in. I believe ray is capable of saying that. He's not capable of acknowledging it public. But i'll buy that because i think deep down. He felt like he had been beaten but he also knew that he did everything in his power remember. He got the fight all his way. You gotta ring. There was two feet wider usual and he got fifteen rounds versus twelve rounds so he got. Every condition of the fight went sugar. Ray's way now because even though he was away sugar ray steele was really the face. Haggle was still going and everybody talking about sugar. Ray sugar ray sugar ray in bought it bothered hagler that he really if he'd never failed that he got the credit. He deserved me. The undefeated undisputed champ for like seven years. He took all comers and he never got the he never got the low or the adoration that they were stolen. Punch sugar ray. And i believe that rubbed him the wrong way ways dead. He said i can't be politics. And i can't beat fandom i can't beat that on the villain and he's the hero in so he just picked up and took off a and you went once upon a time in hollywood. If you seen that movie you went. Leo dicaprio. He went to italy and start making spaghetti. Western right he did he did. It's almost like jim brown quitted thirty one twenty nine and just said i'm going to go make movies right also rubbing skip. That people would call when he was introduced. Say and sugar ray leonard. They would never say marvelous. They would always call marvin hagler so he got so upset. He changed his name to marvelous. Marvin hagler marvin they tag look so because he's like well why y'all call. Y'all can call them sugar ray. I'm calm you can call myself marvelous. Yeah which always dress me like l. Address his momma didn't name him beret. She made me ray leonard what. He called himself sugar. Well i want to be known as marvelous. Well by the way. There had been a sugar ray robinson all-time grail. Yes yes people think. He's the greatest ever. Yes pound for pound so skip this dude here. That was the golden age of bacchus. Killed like you said that was fifty rounds and they put hands on each other. It wasn't feeling each other out that was in the s for that. Division middleweight division. One hundred sixty pounds. It was like the nineteen seventies heavyweight division when you had all those big heavyweights and they had to fight each other. They had to fight each other. There was no ducking. There were no his did they will see what happens. Skill is that you get a guy that like floor floor smart. Floyd got out to this this thirty old record and then he could pick and choose because guess what he knew you go by because you wanted to see them lose so that was the thing i wanna be. I wanna make sure i get a ringside seat watching this. Because i want to say i saw floyd where you where the lose. He knew that. So he's okay. That's what y'all want to pay. The i give it to you by once twice a year never lost and now he's he made a billion dollars inside ring with north -dorsements but back then you had to fight. Yeah you you had to fight. can you imagine skill. Imagine you had four guys employed where the division that was almost just because that's what they were hagler hearns him durant and leonard they were they were right there. So you got four guide. It may take about that. Rest in peace marvelous marvin hagler. He came to fight sample where the whole bows upper downscale. He looked apart. He looked like he looked. Like a boxer guy come to do damage when he had when he fought haggling. He had the war. he's going to be a war. He made no bones about trying to be your free at her. I'm coming to hurt. You hurt well. Rate once said he punches a heavy now. Those are really special stories. Hear from you guys. I appreciate you sharing. Obviously we're thinking about marvin. His family brady and the bucks agree to a contract extension on friday adding another year while clearing up cap space for the rest of the team. New contract save tampa nineteen million and twenty twenty one to help bring back more of their own free agents brady shared a photo of himself signing the contract on twitter saying quote in pursuit of eight or keeping the band together so shannon. I'll i'll ask you first. How much credit should to get for restructuring. Keep the team together. The restructing bringing the players back is the fact that they're winning. Winning's was doing this question. It braided restructure. And they're five eleven is everybody's sliding back off of that f. -lutely not so. It's the fact that they're winning is not that. He restructured his deal. All they adb audible years. If brady didn't wanna take his seventy eight hundred nineteen million dollars demo signing bonus right now and then instead of getting twenty five gift as far as base salary and take eighteen nineteen million signing bonus and then play for six million in base salary getting the same thing who knows you might have got a little bit more added onto the border years. Give so now we get to spread that over. We created seventy eight million dollars in caps base. They would have found someone else to say. Hey you want somebody right. Now is to wait until the season start. We'll give you twelve million. We'll give you fourteen million right now who's gonna say man. I will wait. Till i'm what y'all start cutting checks in september of course not look. I'm not saying brady shouldn't be commended. But that's not the reason they're keeping this thing together. Shack berry made it abundantly clear. I'm looking to break the bank. We'll skip more. Players would stay. If i won the super bowl and my team is gonna get the same amount of money that i'm going to get in free agency where i've been for the last two or three years. Maybe five years. My kids are enrolled in school. I've appreciated myself to community. Yes i'm staying is normally a situation. Skip they don't have the money to pay agai- light shag berry. Who said i'm gonna break the bay shake like you me. Y'all gonna give me twenty two twenty three million two and i got a chance to win. 'cause tom brady still coming back. You're going to take that but it's not the fact that brady restructured is what brady does is brady's winning. That is the details skip. That's the allure that makes guys want to stay there. They're winning not brady restructuring his deal because they're five or six guys like yeah. I'm taking my bones right now. That'd be that'd be real good table okay. But timeout a head. Scratcher for me okay. 'cause obviously i get what you're saying but in the beginning the reason that there's money to be passed around to be divvied up is starting off the the the the quarterback who arguably had the best year of inequality back in pro football last year is gonna to count only nine million dollars against the rap so i thought it was a bargain to get back at twenty two point. Two million against the cat as he makes seventy five million next year brady only counts nine million against the cap that ranks one hundred and seventy third in the whole league to date. And that's about to change. It's about to drop. We'll skill what let's just say for. The sake of his base salary is going to be twenty six million dollars. They took they say what we'll do tom. We'll give you twenty of that in the form of a signing bonus. We're going to add two more audible years so now if a three year deal so you got this year plus three year so now what we did. We took that twenty million dollars. We're gonna pro rate that over two three years that several million seven million seven million so okay we good okay but that contributes to winning because it helps them keep as brady said yesterday the band together right if he won't do that if he says. If you don't go to mike evans you go to jp. But if he goes to if he goes to the dak prescott route and says observe my money here. I deserved at least forty million my god. I mean tom brady thing about this last year. Tom brady was ranked by pro football. Focus in the regular season. Second best to aaron rodgers second-best in the postseason. he was graded number one overall. So first and second in the regular season that would add up to. You could argue if you brought in somebody who knew nothing about pro football or history or whatever you'd say who deserves the most money will they'd say well that guy does that brady guy he he by far the most money so he probably deserves fifty million dollars. He is to your point taking twenty six total million but he doesn't even need it next year. It will be paid until the following. You right okay. That allowed them to keep von david wright he got a nice deal and he deserved an even better deal but he said no state income tax and to your point. Yeah i get to play with tom. Brady and we get chance to win it again right. Well that's that matters. Levante david said a couple of days back. He said the bond that we had was like no other well. It wasn't it started with that. Guy who came from new england and brought that patriot way to tampa bay over to happen when you win especially when you have a one nevada. David had never been to the playoffs. Since he's been in tampa and he's played really well some really good football now all the now you get an opportunity to see just how good football player that he is because he don't super bowl winning team he's going to be on tv even more. You and i know we follow football. We watch football. We watched him. We knew levante david with a good player. I do david white was a good player. Watch them lsu a hell of a player. I stack you. And i thought he should've went to the pro. I was like hold on. How did the guy do what he did. Not make the pro bowl. Maybe maybe they make you wear the year skip. But let's be real now. Let's not pretend like coach belichick dense around brady with talla. It might not have been splashing names but coach bill with the nine so both as a head coach but he was. Also you know. Tom brady had we will give and take no credit. No i'll give him credit. But i don't think grady gets nearly enough credit for always taking way below market value from day. One in new england where he was around picks cabrini when when he won a super bowl. Now they're gonna redo. Let's give you still have years. He had like two years still on the contract. But that recent scott peel story and was then. I guess calling the gm of the patriots and he's negotiating with don yee. Brady's agent right that first big restructure than they did or site to redo one super bowl and he said that brady interview. Excuse me intervened and said enough is enough. I don't need any more money. I'm sorry and he undercut is agents position instead. No i'll just take that that's enough well. Who does that right okay. i'm gonna get. I will give him credit for that. That's his but i don't believe because someone else did eggs. All other players should be forced to do why. And that's what happened in new england. Because i was willing to take less everybody else was forced to take less or you couldn't be there so a lot of guys lift and so it because whether they're rivas said he's like when you try to deal with. Tom only makes this. We can't pay you more dominika. That also saying well order exactly tom. Tom makes this but he also suppressed the market around the league. Because of tom would have got market value. Does the quarterback market might be fifty five million right now because he gets his prayer mark. I agree. I agree so again for him after winning a super bowl at twenty five million to say okay for the next year. I'll take twenty six total million dollars my restructure. But i don't need that money until twenty two now they're going to have to pay the piper a little right now wooded kicking the can down. Yeah that's a lot of teams in tampa. You know what we're willing. We're really to be a salary cap. Hale in twenty twenty three twenty four we get one or two more get another super bowl so we get to super bowl skip and we gotta spend two years in salary cap. He'll always worth it. Okay because they did. You just kick the can down. The road is like that balloon payment interest only loan. But you're you're going back to the old cliche about which comes first the chicken or the egg and and you're saying the egg comes first because winning is making the chicken look about not that. I'm comparing tom brady to do animal. I would want to compare to the point is it's the oldest cliche. Will the chicken comes first to me. Because he's the one saying no. I'll take less and then you can have the eggs that get made because we have a better chance to make better. I mean didn't didn't the chicken come from day. Well that's why that's almost mind boggling to try to debate that question. She can came with the so well abbott but chicken had to be created. I'll go all the way to god and to create the chicken. I right where he's okay. Here's the egg here. The chicken chicken. You name it as we go there. Forget give break give skill. I will say this is that at this juncture. And i guess if brady won the super bowl he understood that money was not how he's going to be judged that winning was the only thing that's going to be determined because once you get that level skip regular season touchdown and business. That doesn't matter because brady's only if he don't win the super bowl he had a bad year. That that's what happens when you become that great skip. That's like george. You don't win the championship. Magic and bird lebron human. I don't care what else you don't you. Yeah he was the mvp. Yeah this triple doubles. Yeah he'd thrown five thousand. What did he win. Because that's what you know. That's the bar that tom brady has cleared. Yeah well at forty three. He just one is seven super bowl with a brand new team in coaching staff. In a pandemic. He's gone to his mini super bowls after the age of thirty seven than any player in. Nfl history. He's going to five since the age of thirty seven and his mo has been always. Pay me less. I mean he's scared to you. Know making fun of me. We'll not making one hundred billion. You can argue. Does he doing good where you go back and forth about. Lebron he makes god knows what off the much. Well he does make that much in. Springhill is just dominating. Hollywood is how so we gotta make. That's fine. I got it but he always insists on. Pay me the max. And i'm sure the players association says way to go. Lebron we try to buy team. We came by team taking minimal. Sat trying to get a team. That's going gonna call. It was about time we turn around. He's gonna call about two and a half bill okay by the time you've by team. Tom brady might have one. Is twelve super bowl where he'll be normal. We'll have a. We will have six ring and it'll be over team. Six rain they have on team brings unless call kuzma wins. Don't do this don't do this. After what performance. Okay no same podcast appearance. Nfl analyst pacelle said that dak. Prescott is a better quarterback than russell wilson. At this point in time said quote. I think the tape shows that i know the tape shows that playoff win came against wilson and the seahawks so shannon question is to you. Is he better. he'll know. I'll know what greg watches kept. You must be watching the foreign feature subtitles or something. 'cause they're not watching that where you're going to say Dak prescott russell. Wilson and i know russell stumbled down the stretch. But he's still to forty touchdowns russell of the top five top five quarterback and he that up five games so at the five games he said. Russell played better russell. Wilson here's five games vs russell. I five gave. That was better to russ now ahead. For the first half he will be wasn't will there be peace with the mvp and then he started slipping away from we had my whole. He brought hold of into the mix. He brought a araj josh allen in getting into the mix but for the first game. Russell wilson was the mvp got it. And i and now. He's he's dak is going to be a better quarterback coming off the injury. I'm i'll don't know about all this. Was i get it. I really good quarterback. But that's not better. Russell wilson got it. So greg cosell's time friend of mine i've known him forever and i respect him and i admire his his vision of quarterback play in the nfl. He's a regular on colin show which obviously follows us here on f s one and yet he lost me on this one also but he's not alone in that kind of assessment of dak prescott. I'm with you can look hard at russell's last eleven games last year he was second in the nfl and turnovers over the last eleven right he he led the league in taking sacks over the last eleven games partly his fault to your point. Now he's trying to throw the homerun hold onto the ball. Try to make a play because he was desperate to make plays because what was the imo. Let bras cook in. Rust would sometimes cook his own offense and yet this is not an unusual. Take me because some l. Over the last two years during which dak prescott has been embroiled in a contractual impasse with gerald wayne jones. Junior the owner of the dallas cowboys. Who is to me the the biggest easiest target in all sports most people don't wanna like jerry. You know jerry little. I'm doing very well. It's hard not hard like if you know him just are right but he is a big easy target and i think the world was rooting for jerry to the cleaners and in the end he did some out during those two years. Dax popularity exploded obviously got lots of national tv commercials but his mystique. His profile also grew over the last two years in ways that shocked me because again over his career dating back to his junior year at mississippi state. Nobody nobody in the world has more publicly applauded and defended dak prescott than i have but it was getting harder to defend him through as you. Well know the twenty nine thousand nine season. Because i just can't back it up the first three games were off the chart sensational and you said three games against garbage opponents right too many empty calorie type yards and then all of a sudden that's when the impasse set in because jimi Excuse me jerry said it's imminent that we're gonna sign back the opener and then all of a sudden here. We win because obviously that's the point. Where in his new agent at that point. Todd france said no. It's this what is it the land he's got a contract now and get it. Maybe a lot of a lot of people are lobbying for to get paid considering that he had played so many years on a minimum contract outperform that contract and dallas hadn't redid the deal. Get a lot of a lot of people's rooting for him. Yeah but over the last two years you'll see people start. Well i'll know he he. He's as good as russ. He's better rush. i'll put him with the sean he's right there. Take below behold roger than and outlet wall. Wait a minute id diam. I gotta get his money. And maybe jerry listening but come on now. How many blue. Mondays did i have having to come in here and deal with you. Twenty nineteen at new orleans at jets. You definitely remember that one. At new england. I mean and chicago at philadelphia. The home games against green bay and buffalo d-. I'm just hitting the tip of the iceberg and think about skilled. How many times we've come in over the last three years or russell had appear wet. Run fifteen yards back with. Come fifteen yards forward to throw the ball downfield to a touchdown yup with a they win this guy. Russell is not russell russell's not great. We don't say that by that. I mean for the most part i mean it when things go haywire. They look bad. They look bad now. If it's going to be coming upon dag now he's got his money he had the security. He don't have to throw caution to the wind is going to be going to be on him. Not skip to prove that. Okay you've been you've been wanting his money you gotta okay now. Would you go show board. So what happened early this year to dak prescott opening game at rams new stadium. I thought he played great now game but they lost. Then we go. Let's do at seattle. Just didn't play that well and had a chance at the end of the game and he could not come up big at the end of the game. They really should have been over three. They should have started in the atlanta game at home. They're down twenty nine to take the second game to would get yeah. I couldn't remember which way the point is. They were so fortunate as miraculous that they pulled out. The atlanta game and was tremendous in the third and fourth quarter then came cleveland. They're behind forty two fourteen in the fourth. Forty two fourteen as your say to me. Dallas have the ball. Yes yes several times did it. And then he threw for two hundred fifty four yards just in the fourth quarter and put up a lot of empty calorie yards and they still got a pretty main. See what happens if you don't watch the game. You just look at the boss core. You don four yards three touchdowns. Wow yeah but two hundred. Fifty four yards came in the fourth quarter. When they were down by three touchdown four touchdowns came that fateful. Giant's game at jury were and they fell behind seventeen to three to a team that significantly favored at that point and brought them back. But i don't know. Did he play better than russell. For the first five did know. And what did i propose. Better roles of the previous. You know he did. No he did not definitely not the freebie she right so it got so so dark for me that i thought. Hey if russell's got a problem in seattle and definitely has an impasse. Tell you you drink waffle. I take russell bet you would. Would i sure he's more mobile than back. And he has a bigger arm than das- russia's got a huge homerun off be. I mean the guy does is win. Ed's bunch of games won a super bowl as he's done a lot of big thing. Yeah he should be. He should be tom. Thanks to peak. Carol stop russell. Two times motel calc. I didn't put that on tape. That'll take russell. Wait is on tape. That need to give me one of them. Then we'll revisit it. Yep but. I'm not saying a good quarterback i just don't see them as being rustic has grown and then i looked up going into this past year and he's third and the mvp odds and this year he's he's all the way up to fourth in the mvp. And i'm like whoa. Where did that come from. At least give us the okay. What do you got amari cooper off his line comeback in tech. Okay yeah they love frederick drivers frederick but okay but now he's coming back off a broken ankle he's four is fourth in. I look at the big picture this i say. Well wait a second off. What because you look at the yards. He is now in his last seventeen starts. Dak is six and and eleven. How's he gonna win. Mvp if you can throw for all those yards but if they're not gonna matter voters after mid season if you're not winning games yeah you probably have the b twelve and four thirteen and three. Yeah i can't remember the last time we had eleven and five guy that won the mvp. You look at the last couple. You look lamar with a fourteen to patch holes fourteen. Thirteen and three. I just don't see skip. I don't see you not going nine and seventeen and winning. Mvp knowing it up on it okay. So we saw that his rookie year right to overall fourth round. Pick out of nowhere. Zeke took over the league. You had a at least top five off a top two or three with no more than tunnel possession. Yeah so what they do. They they minimize the defense being on the field because that was the weak link wore you down titled possession run the football and then guess what they got the ball back late in the ball game and they had a slim lead. You couldn't get back from shannon shop called him dink and he'll resume aim better now. Zion williamson has scored more points in his first sixty nba games than any other player since michael jordan. And he was unstoppable last night scoring twenty seven points in the pelicans one thirty five one. Fifteen win over the clippers who have lost five of their past. Seven games after the game quite said. His team's lack of consistency is very concerning. That came from cli- so shannon are the clippers overrated. Right now beat overrated dog fault because dot was running. He was at paul. George play like he was ray allen you know he needed you know. Do a better job and say we need. We need to coach the put us in better situation so the inconsistency now this is what i know duck river. They got dot rules out of their. Thanks to paul. George and kawhi leonard. They did not give their blessing to return de bomba made the decision. He led go inserted. Todd lou now. The same things that happened last year that happened in the playoffs last year. That are happening. Now with dr girl i wanna know. Who's if you keep telling me paul george. While little wall they play deepest not even know which one of them guarded brandon. Ingram zion williamson lonzo ball josh. Hart jackson hayes. Because all those guys get with seven minutes left a ball game. They were shooting seventy two percent from the floor. Nobody shot left per say they played more than twenty minutes. Now that would to the greatest do all says pep. Enjoy the wing. Very the thirteen. Sixteen brandon ingram seven hundred thousand three six three lonzo. Ball's to five of eight from three Josh hart three or four for three five six going on camp dot. Doc rivers bolt. So how dog responsible as he's coaching philly playing. Well yeah. I blame doc for this Who can they play tai lucille. Last night we gotta stop talking about it in doing all. That guy. Doing live tall consistency. We need smarter players. We need to play the play. Baylor i do is myself jail in my view. I what was your emergency. I like report them assault. Do you know the perpetrated. Yes his name of jackson as if he's still on the premises yes he is harry before indo it again All only hey. Hey tell me what i please. I'm going to borrow one year. Lines and use it against the internet's favorite line. Boy do i want that. Same energy when the clippers. Run the lakers. Right into the basement when the playoffs. I want that energy right here. What had happened is going to happen right. Now you're scared to death. You're beating your chest over one game one one game they're in the midseason doldrums. Okay here we go my turn. First of all i watched. I did watch all of this game. I watched the first three quarters. And then i flipped over to the grammys just in time to see beyond say make history so i was happy. I at least got to see tv. Star watched things of that are in different. Ilk the grammys in the game. I can't keep my mind on both of them. I wanted to see the clippers against zion and company because i have been telling our producer abby for one month talk to every night. He talks g where every night. I've been telling for one month. We've got to do something on the pelicans because they are quitting on stan van gundy. I told you when he was hired wrong man wrong place wrong time. This team is so much better than now. Seven after they won last night there. Seventeen and twenty two. They came into this game. Sixteen and twenty two. That is pathetic because this team is loaded and last night for reasons nobody will ever play it. Unloaded on the clippers at new orleans. In the first quarter it was thirty. Six to twenty four after quarter because lonzo ball who has turned into a player threes threes at three tries in the first quarter. And what are you go. Five of eight for the game as scored twenty points. And he had eight rebounds he is a player. All zion did. Last night was as usual. Go thirteen of sixteen. He leads this whole league. In shooting percentage that sixty two percent and that's among ninety seven players who have taken three hundred fifty or more shots so far this year sixty two percent is outrageously great and last night it looked like they finally figure something out how about leads. Zion occasionally dribble the ball up the floor because in high school he was let him dribble it. Let him attack him create havoc which he did. And here's the point now to my team the clippers. Would you realize there's one man missing. There was a glaring loss last night. Patrick beverley patrick beverley. Here's the record they had during the telecast last night without him. This team has gone seventeen and eighteen in his years with the clippers with him. This team has gone one hundred and five and fifty three hundred and five. So they're fifty two games over five under him there. One game under five hundred without him and it doesn't surprise me a bit. He is the lifeblood of this team. He is the fire starter. He is the catalyst he is the energizer. He is the spirit and the guts of this team and they feed off his presence and he was not there last night. Well he's hurt a yeah he's been hurt fall out of bed little defense. Well that's what you need to keep that same piloted because we got just hit last week talked about kris. Bruce are used about paul. George neo talking about paul george. What do do land last night. He went a grand total of one of eight from. He's been in a funk slump and yet turku what what's team. Help me out. Mr sharpe you know the nba inside now which team now leads the nba. Three point shooting and free throw shooting. Which could that. It's that team. The clipper fourth and it's usually leaves. Be third tonto ages. Second the lakers are twenty four and three point shooting and twenty sixth in free throw shooting twenty fourth and twenty fifth versus one in one. And we and you're not afraid and we got a better record and we played without a second bit flare. Oh you try to jump accurately a game at new orleans last night at halftime then. Sergio bach is back tightened up and he couldn't go. He is serge ibaka. He is better than mantras heroin. He's made the clippers better. They are much deeper than they were a year ago. And this is just one of those games where the team suddenly flipped the switch. I'm looking at i'm looking at. I'm looking at the came up to mitch morrissey new bottles fourteen louis out of thirteen back mean zoo bots thirteen was models twin cities jordan models to this that good if you if you they must have been playing golf because if you six gov that's good record pace play basketball. Low negative is not gulu. Canard made three or four threes winners. Lebron ever done that. we want. Coffee made three five stupid garbage. We'll zaire within the shower xijiang. It'd be the poboy. He had beach also bad smoothie. I'd need to guy come on down 'cause you go dot dot. I love this team. I like it more than last year. I'll take tai. Lue over doc. Right now and i'm the biggest dock. They needed a new voice in the locker room. And they got one. And you got you got new oil you got the same result new law flavors of coming back. Lebron has seen increased playing time since. Anthony davis went down with an injury in early february. And frank vogel says he's looking to find ways to reduce the kings minutes including a new lineup change. that is supposed to help vogel said quote. It's something that we looked at and we liked it going into the. We decided we were going to stick with it and see how he's able to come back in fresh and close the game out so shannon. I know you're watching it very closely. Is this the right move while skip. Normally lebron closes out the third he starts to fourth in. Then he'll play about six minutes. You'll take about two or three minute break for a minute break. If he can and then he comes out but if you notice he did fit he didn't finish the third and he started to fourth on the bench and so he ends up playing thirty four and thirty four and a half minutes thirty thirty four little little less than thirty four and a half minutes and that's kind of where they want to keep him give. It had started to creep up thirty eight minute. Thirty nine minutes. Those double overtime. They had with three overtime game. One double overtime you start playing forty six forty seven minutes forty three minutes forty one minutes and what was. Normally you play in thirty three minutes all of a sudden. That's heading north where you don't want it to go. So this is something that. I bring mobile into coaches down. They saw lebron brought. Check this out. This is what we wanna do. We understand that you're going to play every game. You wanna play every day. We want you to play every game but if we can find a way to steal a minute here to steal two minutes there and have you still play these games. Be in the game late in the ball game to close these ball games. What do you think that. And i think braun with amenable to that and that's where we are. Don't think they did there. Some willing lebron wasn't in in in cahoots with this Yes this is. What's best for the team in james. he did. He go a bunch of point. But then pinpoint dr steady withdrawing all over the field. Two points in the fourth quarter must have. Did we win the game. He ran out of gas. I don't wanna get. We only took one. Stop there so just two weeks back. I heard your man. Lebron james say in a post game interview. And i'm going to quote him exactly. I don't get tired okay. Here it into story. Then he went on say. I spent like two billion dollars a year like that. I don't know you don't think they all spend x. dollar no they don't spend the right he top one spend as much and yet. It's just a runaway train. It's like a myth has been made. Tom brady tom brady. So he's the only one that has a personal trainer or don't put lebron tom. Brady's green gold over here for in front. Okay so this is also the same lebron who said i think it was last year but he went third person on himself. Like lebron said does not load man we saw game before the break sacramento one game. You load managed. One gig was that did not get one game. Watch quiet leonard. They play at dallas. You think he'll play yes he was building. Come on to do barely got ten thousand point lead ten years so the point is is lebron just coming to his senses and admitting he does get tired and he does get worn down after those remember after like the second or those those overtime games i looked up one morning and lebron james had played more minutes than anybody in the whole league. This is pretty late in the first half of the season right. that's absurd. what are you trying to do. That's that's like we on suicidal. We're trying to win scale. Look find a win. We understand ferrari lamble go hundred one hundred eighty two hundred miles an hour. That'll mean you should drive them. Full bore the entire time right. So that's what we do on the broad. I don't get tired. He said we're just skip just because something can go. Continuously doesn't mean that it should you can live zone but you can serve. That's what we do what we do. Click we cut it off. Slow to conserve so we can bush. Y'all hey so. I can have that same managing where we play you down what you don't do that you know what's gonna happen if somebody's going to bush you up again before you get because all your mind. Federal beating us. I think he just previous topic. I think he predicted the clippers. Don't get beaten in the first round right. Get to the government files. That's what i'm saying. You are getting you not we are. You're not well. How many cases on cases. Okay thank you all. I know that the congress representative so finally as i keep pounding the table over here. Lebron james woke up and came to his senses. Instead i'm in year eighteen. And i am thirty six years of age which in sort of nba dot. That has like that just because we cut down to minute that just increased the mvp ten percent. Maybe so maybe it should. Don't give me frank vogel saying we came. No you didn't come here when you're braving coach. That's what we do. Lebron james is the coach of this. You can just watch the games if you just test the games. Lebron comes and goes as he chooses break he no he does not. It's just a little nod to the sideline okay. I'm ready skip this all. We'd see you do this. Well i started. What i don't i'm not condemning him i'm congratulate. He's earned the right to take himself in and out of game didn't have that luxury true. Okay so what's the problem call. We had that luxury. Although i will give you this phil. Jackson had much more control over. Michael than frank. Vogel has over. Lebron james you do realize this for what it's worth michael jordan and lebron james adv exact same total minutes per game. Thirty eight point. Three lebron averages more minutes per game for career than what koby average and do you realize that lebron had three seasons in which he averaged more minutes than jordan or kobe ever ever dental season. So this notion he's slowing down and that he's not the same guy if not treat the play. Eighty two games all eighty two skill. We don't get we. Don't count the game. We gave cow from all the game that we play late. Ten eighty two game seasons. I don't know what are you like the play. He got a scary moment. In friday. night's sixers wizards game when mvp candidate while bead on dunkin landed awkwardly on his left knee before falling to the floor. The same knee. He had surgery on in twenty seventeen causing him to miss part of that season number. I revealed no structural damage though calling it a bone bruise and embiid. This expected to miss two to three weeks at this point so shannon. How does this impact his. Mvp chances right now. They're probably ends his chances skip. there's only been one. Mvp that's missed fifteen games and won the award that was built in seventy seven seventy eight but what people don't realize the players selected the mvp back then after the nineteen eighty season. Which corinne wanted. They wouldn't let the sports writers selected so skip. I believe there's probably in a shortened season. He's with probably twenty twenty two twenty five games in a shortened season. I think it probably an mvp kenzi. Lebron just can't get a break you seriously. I would assume breaks i. I guess i. I have no choice but to congratulate lebron james or winning the twenty twenty one. Mvp right no. it's over. It's over over so i don't think embiid season is over in by the way they said bone bruise. I don't i couldn't see contact on that play. I only saw hybrid. it could be. It could be worse give. That's a big man to come down awkward angle like that. Excuse me won't miss twenty four games and seventy seven seventy so. The point is the hyperextension. It's going to be sore. But maybe maybe two weeks. Maybe he gave back. I mean they play in four games and five days. So that's at least eight games. He's already miss. Seventy sixers have played thirty nine. They have thirty three left enough because they are threatening. Now the game in the east. And there's threatening. Utah's only game and fine. Utah's best record and it doesn't help. Mvp case that they're winning without it won one game without although then he and simmons had over issues they won at chicago in the first game. Back from the break. so between kovin hyperextension. It's coming up. Lebron all about lebron give brazil skip is all about position all about position and then we hit this home stretch fifteen gave that would have a target target loans coming turning them loose. Go down search for. I want that same back safe tomorrow morning right now. Avoca day guys.

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Hour 1: Dwayne Haskins Out in Washington

The Stephen A. Smith Show

39:43 min | 5 months ago

Hour 1: Dwayne Haskins Out in Washington

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Max ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire max kellerman. Show the podcast. Matt jones along with me as joe more. We're here to get through the next couple of hours and talk about a big monday after a huge weekend. Nfl football of course big news. Today dwayne haskins has been cut from the washington football team and nevertheless the football team will be playing for a spot in the playoffs and in the nfc and a chance to go to the super bowl and joe. It was interesting over the weekend. I found if you look at the difference between the nfc and the afc. Some of it is about whether or not they're contenders are playing the best football because right now if you look at the nfc the teams that i think are legitimate super bowl contenders all had a huge weekend. Of course the packers looked great last night in the snow against the titans saints played excellent chimera breaking nfl time nfl records and historic performance. Tom brady second most yards. Ever in the first half passing in a game with the bucks and then the seahawks win against the rams and look great as well so four teams in my opinion all of which have a legitimate shot at the super bowl which one impressed you the most and who would you say is the odds on favourite today going into week. Seventeen from an odds perspective. The nfc teams to win the super bowl. Green bay one at plus five fifty the saints to at seven to one the seahawks three at ten to one. And the buccaneers four at twelve to one. And you're going to see a distinct edge right now for green bay for a few reasons most notably the team that gets the by is at a very strategic advantage this year more than any other year because only one team is getting the by and a lot of teams are running out of gas late in the season two teams to answer the first part of your question caught my eye equally green bay and seattle when we talk about green bay and seattle. The conversation always starts with aaron rodgers and russell wilson respectively. But this time it's not about that for me. I know those guys can play. I know those offenses can score. What caught my eye is what those defenses have been doing as of late. Because those have been the achilles heel of teams yesterday the packers held derrick henry. The ninety eight rushing yards has six lowest total of the season. He didn't score a touchdown for the first time. In seven games as one seven eight th i. Seven games of the season they were giving up twenty seven points per game the last eight games. They're giving up twenty points per game. I'm wondering has this defense found something and on the same note. What about seattle. The defense was historically bad to open the season from a total yardage and passing yards standpoint in in their last seven games. They've given up twenty three to the rams twenty one seventeen seventeen three fifteen. And then nine yesterday. To jared goff in the rams now jared goff thumb its divisional opponent. There's some familiarity there but defenses playing the way they are in seattle green bay matt jones. That's what stands out to me because if those teams can play competent defense in the playoffs going to be awfully tough to beat him once we get january and especially when you consider the fact that if the defenses are just copy you've got the to maybe most clutch along. Patrick mahomes most clutch quarterbacks period. What's interesting to me about the packers. Specifically and i think this is a hangover from last year. Is there's for for franchise that is as historic and marquee is green bay. I feel like we've had two straight seasons where we haven't talked about them really all. During the year. Last year they were way under the radar. Had a great record went to the playoffs and showed maybe they should have been under the radar net. Another year oddly. I think we don't talk about the packers as much. The games haven't quite been as much on everybody's radar. Maybe because brady has been in tampa bay. And i think there's a big part of me that has sort of assumed that they were fraudulent this year like they were last year and then i watched last night and i thought in the snow. I know teams allegedly from the south. Don't like playing in the snow. But it's not like it's not like these people live in cities all the time. It's not a big deal. But i thought especially with derrick henry. That's the kind of game for the titans right. It was never really competitive except for a very short period of time. I think the packers now for me are the favorites. But what i love about. This is in the in the afc. We have questions about a lot of these teams you know. Is lamar going to be better in the playoffs. This year is josh allen. Ready is big been too old these four teams that we just mentioned have four dudes that we know what they are. We know they are superstars. And i agree with you if the defense is for all. These teams are just competent. Then it becomes about those quarterbacks. And that's what i want to see because these are four four hall of famers. I wanna see these four hall of famer some of which are on their last ride. Go at it. That's why. I think the nfc is so compelling to answer your original question there regarding why we don't talk about the packers as much over the last couple of seasons by what they're doing because they're essentially the mir version the nfc version the pittsburgh steelers. They're always around. There always competitive. They are always there. We are so used to going into the postseason with the green bay. Packers and aaron rodgers and the pittsburgh steelers and ben rothlisberger that. We don't really wake up to it until we see them. Deep in the postseason the problem for green bay. And this is something. I've been talking about for a couple years. Because i find this fascinating. How how're are you going to go. Thirty years with hall of fame quarterback play in record. Just two super bowls. That's what they're looking at. When you make the transition from brett farve aaron rodgers every other organization in professional sports would kill to have a transition like that for the duration that they have been allowed to enjoy that much time of elite play at the most important position on the field and yet to super bowl wins. Do you consider that underperforming packers coming up short. And that's about yes. I do because if you look throughout history. How many times have you had that san francisco with tanna and young. Who else has i mean. You could have made the case and it fell apart but it was looking like it was going to happen in indianapolis with manning has the a lot of great quarterback play there and then retire. That's a very good point. That would have potentially been the third so if you go through all that and you only have to. It's an issue. But i actually think they legitimately can win it this year and i and i am not the only one rex ryan whose espn's nfl analyst. He was on get up this morning and he thinks the packers are good enough to beat the chiefs. The packer defense is not playing a little bit. Better they're playing a hell of a lot better and they got that defense going and quite honestly when green bay takes this team down at tampa for the super bowl if the kansas city chiefs to their ryan i think green. Bay's going to beat them. I like the way this team is. They're going like this. I don't see the same thing with the kansas city chiefs and look. There's something about this team and look. I don't want him to ryan. I'd i've set all all the whole season. I don't want the packers too because they butchered the draft but man. My eyes are telling me that this the best thing is. It's interesting when you said a minute ago. That the number one seed is more important. In this max kellerman show on espn radio jones foresaw. I agree with you about the the by because the two seed doesn't get one this year but what's interesting is after you get past that it's probably never been less important because there are no fans with no fans something that would have been a huge advantage for green bay or even for seattle. They don't have so. I think it's going to be about being kind of clutched down the stretch. And so i would ask you a question with those four quarterbacks breeze brady russell wilson aaron rodgers in that moment are there any of those four guys this year. You're worried about historically they've all been able to do it but are there any that you're worried about this year in that moment not being able to make the plays brady brees. No doubt brady brees now garage. That they won't be able to or is it just that they've struggled this year. I think i would say that. I worry about their ability to do it consistently can't make the place i know. Rodgers can make every single play. He needs to make throughout the course of the game. Same with russell. Wilson i worry about brees and i worry about brady. The don't don't be fool. Brady and the bucks looked fantastic against detroit's d squad right. Half the coaching staff was out for that game. The lions have been abysmal for the three hundred season in a row that was a cakewalk. The bucks treated it exactly. The way they should but tampa bay has had a lot of problems firing from the gates this season. They are slow. Starters brady has missed open wide receivers and it still feels like whatever bruce arians that offense to look like is very very different from what tom brady. Wants that offense to look like that gaming. It's minnesota's defense. That alvin kamara just carved up on saturday. Brady had trouble hitting his targets early in that game and that's been a theme this year so i have concerns there and then when you look at new orleans i have a lot of concerns about drew brees. He is very good checking the ball down but the vertical passing threat that he used to be no longer exist with michael thomas out until the playoffs. Who knows what he's gonna look like when they come back. I worry about new orleans. The problems with green bay and seattle of always been the defense. The defense is can step up. That puts them over the top but with rex ryan talking about them being the most dangerous team in the league. Let me ask you this. The defense looks better. Statistically they've been better but how much of that is because of them and how much of that is because of their competition because look at who. They've played the last five weeks. Chicago and nick foles the eagles and carson wentz detroit carolina and then tennessee. Not exactly the who's who of nfl often. That's a very valid point up on them. That is a very valid point. I would note of all the teams. I actually like seattle the best. I'm not saying win it. But i like the fact that now they have a running game. Their defense is playing. Well and those receivers specially decay. Metcalf i mean. I think they're special. So i really like them. We'll see what happens now. I wanna take some joke that you of all people need to hear hindsight is twenty. Twenty twenty twenty was a brutal year with a lot that we couldn't control there was a pandemic you may have heard of it. An economy problems unemployment. But what can we control. We can control our job and our career and in twenty twenty. My computer career helped more people start. It careers than ever so. Don't look back with twenty twenty hindsight next year and see yourself in that twenty twenty job. Twenty twenty hindsight and twenty twenty job. You don't want that take control go to my computer career dot edu and take the free career evaluation. This isn't rocket science. It's just my computer career dot. Edu do it for me. Do it for joe my computer career dot. Edu dwayne haskins may be having to look at that after being. Let go by the washington football team but nevertheless some of the quarterbacks who seemed to get the criticism he did in his early career have actually turned it around. I think mostly of josh allen. Who's playing tonight against the patriots. And in my opinion has the team most likely to beat the chiefs in the afc. Now maybe i'll feel differently tomorrow. I've been unbelievably impressed with josh allen. Do you believe that the bills are the team who can knock off mahomes and the chiefs especially after they have struggled in the last two weeks and yesterday maybe the worst performance from homes in two years i believe they are a team that can knock off the chiefs. I don't think it has to be limited to just one. I think they are eighteen. I worry about two things. One the defense a little bit and then number two once they get to the play offs. How are they going to handle themselves. In crucial game management situations. sean mcdermott. Very little playoff experiences head coach josh allen very little playoff experience as a starting quarterback we saw last year. Botch it in houston. But that's okay. That's a different team. That's different time. You put it in the rear view mirror but this is a different ballgame. Visit a different animal when you get to the nfl. Postseason and the mistakes are magnified. You've gotta be razor sharp so the inexperience of the buffalo bills in the playoffs would be the only thing that worries me right now about this team but the way the quarterback is playing is a testament to how you go about developing that position in the nfl early on. Alan didn't look very good. He came out of wyoming with some question marks most notably accuracy and most specifically accuracy with the deep ball. He's answered all that but look what buffalo's done in the three years. Josh allen has been with the bills he's had the same head coach. Sean mcdermott for all three years. He said the same. An offensive coordinator brian cabell for all three years and the team went out and made the offense better each and every year giving him stefan digs wide receiver for minnesota and a trade this off season. That's what you do you give the kid continuity you exhibit patients and then you build around him and give him the best able to succeed. They want to do that because he got a little better. Every like they realized stefan digs was worth that draft pick and by the way that draft picking it up being justin jefferson so it worked out for both team moved from but the but you knew it was time to make that move because you had seen him play better. But what's interesting to me about. The bills is if everybody wins. You're going to get an afc semifinal match up which is bill steelers if everybody stays close to form in the steelers to me are the hardest team to figure out if you watched the first half against the colts. They look like a team ready to pack it in. That couldn't beat anybody then in the second half. They looked like a team that could win the super bowl. Mike tannenbaum espn's nfl front office insider was on keyshawn jay williams zubin and said look the steelers won but they are big issues they still cannot run the ball we know pittsburgh steelers about being a dominant team upfront. Tough being able to run the ball that afc north mentality and they're still struggling doing that. Now look better office for three or four throw yesterday. That many people can't make they have an incredible group of skill players. They will be hard to defend in the playoffs but yeah they needed a win. They had to take the noise down. And more fundamentally i think the concerns on the other side of the ball when you lose great players duprey devin bush those guys are difference makers and even though you still have tj. It's not the same. Would they could double team him on every step. So pittsburgh's going to be out but i think they've fallen back and they are no longer in the elite status of the afc. You know what i really like about pittsburgh. I disagree completely with mike that they're not in the elite of the afc. But i like that. They are win now. No matter what perfect example they lose bud dupree and ticky immediately go and bring an avery williamson from the jets in a trade like they they decide. We're never gonna wait. We're going to go get them immediately. And that's why. I still think in a postseason game even if it's against buffalo that's worth a few points in joe this sort of the pittsburgh winning mentality to me. You can't say that they don't have a chance because of that. No absolutely not. And i think the biggest advantage for pittsburgh at this point in the year is that in week seventeen when they play the browns. I don't see them playing any of their starters. If they're smart they realized that one of the biggest problems they've had over the last month plus the season is that they have run out of gas. They've run out of gas at quarterback on offense and on defense. They're a team. That's had to play so many short week games because of other teams in their cove issues that they look tired. You you think. It's the sort of lingering because they never really got a full by week of that. I think that's one of the big issues. So i think they go in the week seventeen. They rest everybody. They give themselves two weeks to get ready for that first playoff game and that gives them a better chance to win however i think tannenbaums right when he talks about their inability to run the ball. At some point. You have got to get the running game going just to keep the defense honest. They have a lot of drops at wide receiver. Rothlisberger missed a lot of. They've got issues and again in the playoffs. Those issues are magnified so once they go up against the cream of the crop. They're going to have to clean it up the by weeks going to help. I don't know if it's gonna be enough. I wonder. I wonder about that game yesterday against indianapolis pittsburgh come back and win it in your opinion or did indie blow it. Because there's a case to be made either. Way and philip rivers gave up to very easy scores to the steelers in that game. He did. But i do. Think it's the max kellerman show on. Espn radio matt. jones ball. I do think been made some big plays down the stretch. As bad as he looked in the first half he looked at it. Good in the second. Half but i want to focus what you mentioned on the running game. I don't really understand why it's so bad. I mean james conner. Benny snell have both had really good moments this year. They've both had games where they looked really as to the better combos in the league and yet starting like three weeks ago when they started losing they can't even they have no holes. They can't get a yard. It is amazing how the offensive line there has been able to get no push at all in the last few weeks. And you're right you can't rely bins not at the point of his career ben rothlisberger where you can rely on him to go win you a playoff game by himself now and if you look at it right now pittsburgh in terms of rushing ranks dead last in the nfl amazing to me. How is that possible with this group. That used to be them right. They use jerome bettis. And willie parker. They were restored mendenhall. Was there for a little while shadow university of illinois eighty four point three yards per carry dead last in the nfl steeler football physical football run the football and play defense. They've gotten much more prolific at wide receiver over the last few years. But again the drops again the mistakes in timing between rothlisberger and the wide receivers. But i wouldn't write him off the rest next week they get against the browns. Assuming that's what they do. And i think they'd be not to go out there and try to compete in that game. Just get everyone the rest. They need so that when they hit the play offs. They're ready to go. There is dangerous as anybody. I know everyone wants to talk about baltimore being the most dangerous team in the nfl right now. Let me tell you something. Baltimore's been playing. Nobody the last few weeks alright. Horrible has won a playoff game since two thousand twelve when his team won the super bowl and baltimore has a very glaring weakness. Which is they cannot play from behind. Same thing happened with tennessee. Yesterday there so predicated on the running game with derrick henry much like baltimore is with dobbins and lamar jackson and ingram and everyone there gus edwards that when they fall behind they can't run as much and when they can't run as much they need to start throwing and tannen who gets exposed in those spots. And sodas lamar jackson. That's what's hurt in the playoffs the last two years so. I'm not going to buy in the baltimore. Just yet because i need to see them consistently compete from behind because when they trail are completely off their game script moving forward the rest of the way out. Well the odds for the super bowl are very interesting. You've got the chiefs. Plus one sixty the packers plus five fifty seahawks tend to one buffalo tin to one. So what we wanna do is if you were to bet on the super bowl right now if you were to look at the odds and say which team do i think gives me the most value and i would bet on him. Who would they be. Give us a call. 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I think a little too excited about that. When i hear a song on these intros that i know it makes me very happy this. Espn radio is presented by progressive insurance. And it is time for straight talk that is brought to you by straight talk wireless. We said earlier that we were going to. We asked you eight hundred eighty eight say. Espn which of the super bowl. Odds do you like the most. Which team do you think is the best value to win the super bowl. I'm going to go over these again. First of all. I want to start with. The chiefs are plus one sixty quickly. Joe explain to people for maybe heart gambling aficionados. What plus one sixty means plus one sixty means for every one hundred dollars you bet you get one hundred and sixty dollars in profit in return. If you in the wager there you go. And so that means they are. The favorite packers are plus five fifty saints or plus. Seven hundred seahawks are tend to one bills ten to one tampa bay. Twelve to one ravens. Twelve to one steelers are twenty two one. That's an that's a high number to me and rams and titans are twenty to one so we asked you with those numbers. Who would you take. And let's go to dean in lexington kentucky god's country who would you take out the thing. Why would you take seven. Plus seven hundred. Why do you like that. What they did to the vikings. I mean fifty. Something points is insane. And addition they only lost to the chiefs. By what three. So i'll take mas with See i i appreciate the call. I like this. I like the saints. I don't know if i like them. It's plus seven hundred but like them. Joe because you were talking about the steelers and how you need to have a running attack and you know you've got that with camaro. I mean you know he's going to be able to get you yards. And here's the thing. I still don't feel like the saints have played their best and even in not playing their best. They lose to the chiefs by three points. And i feel like there's more to get with them when it comes to the saints. There's nothing that they do poorly right like there's you won't look at the saints and go there a terrible run defense or they're terrible pass defense or they can't run the ball like pittsburgh or they can't throw the ball. You wouldn't say any of that. I think that's why a lot of people like the saints. A lot of big names a lot of big time production a great track record and no glaring weaknesses. I worry about drew brees at this point in his career not being able to connect on the long ball like he did in the old days. It's a concern. I wouldn't say it's the end of the world but it's a concern. I also wonder just a bit about the defense. This has been a fantastic defense for most of the season but in the last three weeks. They gave up twenty four points at philly against a rookie quarterback making his debut. Start in jalen hurts. They gave up thirty two to kansas city. Who is most definitely going to make noise in the postseason and they just gave up thirty three to minnesota at home on saturday night. that's misleading. Because they were. They were up three touchdowns at whole game. I mean that's that's you gotta assume their defense takes a nap at some points. During that i what i like about i just it's a it's a little concern as of late. They haven't been as staunch that's it. The weakness is throwing the deep ball. But when you have camera. I don't think that matters much because they can stack the box and you still can't stop that dude and i actually think that sort of takes off a little bit of the fact that he does struggle with the deep ball. Eight hundred eighty eight say. Espn you know. When these got callers. Call and there from kentucky joe. Doesn't it just warm. Your heart blue is from kentucky as well. Where in kentucky are you blue from out in taylorsville spencer county. There's alad malls there in case you were wondering though there's a lot of good stuff that you can get the go ahead. The best value is going to be the tennessee. Titans but if you really wanna make some money you bet the chiefs. They have an on off switch. And i've never seen anything like it ever go window cats. He co go cats. I like the chiefs are the favourite but the titans twenty five to one. I mean this is a team that was right there on the edge of making the super bowl last year in theory shouldn't be any worse receivers little better defense probably a little worse. Twenty five to one. Maybe that spicy for you at all. Joe the problem with tennessee is twofold number one their pass defense abysmal. They entered last night. Ranked twenty ninth in the nfl and pass. Defense in aaron rodgers carved them up in the snow number two. they're somewhat one dimensional offense in that if they don't play within one score or with the lead they get exposed as a team that is too dependent on derrick henry. You saw last night. Once they throw behind big they had to go to the passing game on a more frequent basis. And that doesn't work for tennessee. They're better off the play action. They're better running with derrick henry and when they trail. They aren't able to do that. Regarding the chiefs in the on off switch. Who am i to argue with such a brilliant statement from as you said god's country the land of kentucky that's exactly right listen. Spencer can't either big fan. Let's go to. Andrew is in and way may andrew is in charlotte north carolina andrew. What he got a good. I've got to say. I like to go with the underdog normally i have to go with the chiefs for for this reason. They remind me of clips. Clemson emerged multiple multiple times national champions with some incredibly ugly games but played when it mattered. Most and that's what i see. What the chiefs. And i can't help but go with. That's actually a really good point. And i appreciate the call. The clemson would lose to boston college or piot or whoever they would lose. But they never lay an egg in the playoffs alabama rarely. They've done it once but rarely lays an egg in the playoffs. Do you think the patriots rarely an egg in the playoffs. Do you think the chiefs are going to be that team that we don't even care what they do during the regular season you know. They won't lay an egg in the playoffs. Yeah they've got a little bit of golden state warrior end of dynasty vibe to them where the regular season is. Just a formality. They know they need to go into the postseason. And that's where it matters right. They don't care if they play on the road. They know look after what they did in the playoffs last year coming back from that deficit against houston and then the next week against tennessee and then against the niners in the fourth quarter and winning those three games your mindset is going to be that you can win from any situation anywhere on the planet. Put me anywhere on any given day with any deficit and we're gonna win. That's their mentality right. And i know they haven't looked quote as great lately. they're fourteen and one. They've won ten straight. They're beating the opposition by an average of eight point. Five points per game. Are you not entertained. Maybe a little ain't you think there may be a little bored like they had that play yesterday. Its fourth and one all you gotta do. Is you know romo mahomes out. And they decided to clap in spin around in a circle and then do a like three handoffs and throw it to mahomes down the field. There's a part of me that goes when you're doing that on fourth and one you're kind of bored like you're trying to figure out a way to stay interested. I mean when they all spun in a circle. I thought this is like this is a group that needs to be challenged. Maybe a little bit could be part of it. No doubt about it like this. It's atlanta the mindset. Going into that game is they'll find a way to lose. We just need to present them with that opportunity. And that's what the chief said. They presented atlanta with a chance to lose that game and guess what atlanta did what they do better than anybody else. They went out and they took advantage of that opportunity and they lost that game. Eight hundred eighty eight say. Espn let me just say no packers folks like do none of you believe that you're gonna win the super bowl. Is there not one packers fan willing to make the case. We're seeing the other teams. Where are you who knew folks. Green bay were so timid. This time of year joe in dallas texas is not timid. When you got all right guys. Well i agree. I mean the packers. Certainly i plus five hundred. But i'm gonna be taking it. I actually the ravens. At twelve to one. I just think they have momentum. They're playing great at the right time. And emergence of some some new guys like dez bryant. Look good defense is back. I just think at twelve one. I gotta take a stab at that number. There's been no team. And i appreciate the call who in the last. Two years has disappointed more in the playoffs. Then the ravens is. Is this different. I mean there's there's a case to be made that looked as haven't played anybody. They're looking good but who are they playing. But there's also this sort of seems like people were kind of bored trying to figure out something else are now calling on the ravens. Are you one of those people. They're twelve to one. They're playing well as of late. They've got a lot of town on both sides of the ball. It doesn't surprise me that people wanna bet them. It doesn't surprise me at all because there's a lot of good reasons. They're but on the flip side. The more jackson's never wanted the playoffs. Now people will say well. It's just two games. that's fine. I understand that we don't have to make a deal. But john harbaugh hasn't won a playoff game since two thousand twelve two thousand twelve. We're talking almost ten years since john. Harbaugh is wanna playoff game. His team's flame out and baltimore operates a high wire act on offense with lamar jackson. If they fall behind they are in deep water and they can't throw the ball to get out of it and we've seen that a lot this season so for them rather than me by in and then wait for wait to be disappointed. I'm going to hang back and wait to be impressed. That's how i'm approaching the ravens this year quickly. Which of these bets would you make. I mean for me. I would make to. I'd make the packers at plus five fifty. And i'd actually make the steelers twenty two one because i liked the high number. What would you make i play. The seahawks tend to one The defense is coming together at the right time. They've won the division. They've got the quarterback they check all the boxes and we talked about earlier not being a home field advantage. I agree if it comes to new orleans. I disagree when it comes to a place like seattle or green bay. Green bay is going to have a distinct weather advantage which you saw last night. I think seattle can handle the weather. I'm not sure of drew brees in the ken. That's why i take a look at the seahawks at ten to one. That was straight. Talk from straight talk wireless no contract and no compromise. You know finding great candidates to hire joe can be like trying to find a needle in a haystack. You i mean you just can't find him. You could post your job to some job board but then you gotta hope the right person comes along. And how's that go to work. 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I wish you folks at home one of the things to do. When i get to fill in on these shows with professionals like max kellerman is tell people what happens behind the scenes and joe. Foreign bamako's here is a big philadelphia eagles fan. And we got some producers in the back that are philadelphia eagles fans and listening during the break as they all start arguing about the eagles and they with this statement one of the producers said the eagles fans are the most informed fans in the nfl and it was hard for me to stop laughing. Because only thing i've ever hear eagles fans do our scream and yell at each other so let me let you make the case. Joe are the eagles fans. The most informed fan base in football and i would prefer not to touch that question. I would like to start with that. I would prefer not to answer that question. I would also like to point out that any argument amongst philadelphia. Sports fans is the equivalent of verbal knife fight. That's screwing each. Yeah everyone's screaming and yelling and the reality is most of the time they're not even arguing it just scream and yell. This is how we talk how we do. It doesn't mean you have to like it it. Just that's how it's done. It is verbal knife fight on a regular basis who starts week one next year for them. Winter hurt you gotta trade. You gotta get rid of win at all cost at this point because you have the two of them in the building together. That distraction is going to be too much to overcome but once his contract is going to be damn near untradable now in terms of the patriots. Or the broncos or even a throwback to the donovan mcnabb trade on easter sent him to washington. Who knows who'd be willing to bite. But i'd be careful with all the hurts love because it looked good early when no one had any tape on him. You're starting to see more and more mistakes. Roll out on a weekly basis. There's upside but i don't know if he's necessarily to save your just yet. We can pump the brakes on that. That's how you know you're a big eagles fan. If you remember the day donovan mcnabb got traded. It was on easter either. He remembers he was out picking eggs right at that. Unfortunately it happened. It's time for our monday night. Football preview brought to you by progressive insurance. Of course it is the bills and patriots bills. Trying to play for the best seat. They can the patriots playing for absolutely nothing. We'll focus on the bills. But i just want to quickly something on the patriots. I i have been surprised and disappointed in cam newton year. I thought he would be better. Were you surprised by this. I agree with you that coming into the season. I thought it was going to be better. Especially after the seattle game sunday night football. I think it was week raised. You got into a shootout then. We kind of realized that seattle's defense was so bad everyone was going to put up numbers against him now. They've gotten better since but that was the story for the first ten or so games of the season. The problem in new england is they just lack talent. they don't have a lot of town at wide receiver. They don't have a lot of town at running back. The defence isn't as solid as it used to be and that kinda got exposed. Newton was in a situation where he didn't have a lot that can help them. He wasn't able to make a lot of plays and ultimately they had a rough season. I think you could make the case that if we had never watched this dynasty unfold over the last twenty years that check more out of this team that a lot of coaches would have gotten out of them. I'll tell you that much right now because there is not a lot of town on that team but ultimately it was a very disappointing season for cam newton for this game tonight. I mean this is basically a game to ensure the bills still have a chance at that two seat. Which if you believe like i do. You're going to end up with bill steelers. That might matter in terms of where it is especially you know the bills are going to have seven thousand fans and that seemed like a lot but if you're going to see if there's anybody could be loud it would be bills nation up there so this game is important. I also think it's important for the bills just to say you know what the patriots era is over like. We're gonna go and we're gonna stomp our foot on them and that's it. I think that's partially what they want to have happen. Yeah one hundred percent. I think the big question with new england heading into tonight's game is what's the motivation you know. This is the first time that they're going to miss the playoffs. Since two thousand eight so you gotta ask yourself. What's the mood in that locker room like now brady. Were still there. I'm sure there'd be a level of motivation but there's so much disappointment hanging over the organization who's gonna show up tonight you know. There's no stefan gilmore. He's out at corner. He's their best defensive player. And what kyle josh allen and this offense have been doing the people in recent weeks. They've been obliterating them buffalo covered the spread and six straight and covering the closing number by ten and a half points that is absolutely insane. In addition buffalo's the best first quarter team in the nfl in terms of differential scoring in the first quarter and then their defense in the first quarter the patriots ranked dead last in first quarter scoring so of buffalo gets on early lookout. Maybe belichick's got a plan. He was able to keep it tight against these guys at the ralph a few weeks back. But i don't know if i'd buy into that tonight. They've owned them for a long time. I'm sure they'd like to do it again. But i don't think it's going to happen monday night. Football preview brought to you by progressive insurance insurance for motorcycles boats and rv's for protection on the road and on the water. 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Kap Space

"The two thousand twenty it will be you know. Hopefully we'll never see a year like this again on a lot of different fronts. So but i think it's like anything in this game nothing. Nothing surprises you. Injuries are part of it. We've definitely been on the high end as far as the challenge of would have affected our football team. But you know you have to keep fortune four because there's always a path to victory and that's our focus. I understand what a record is but you know. We had some areas of improvement in our last game. We need to build off of that or some things. We need to do significantly better. We need to accomplish that but we gotta do whatever we need to do to win this game. Let's going on everybody. Welcome back to. I take coming from the seaport district at seventeen brought to you by chase. It is a gorgeous day in new york city. It's almost seventy degrees. Nothing like the spring weather the full. I love it messing up my allergies though. Real top whoever. The cowboys do end up starting at quarterback on sunday. We'll have to take on pass rush in the league in these steelers coach. Mike mccarthy said he will decide between veteran backups rush or garrett gilbert the cowboys clearly fellas could use some help at quarterback that being said there is one colin kaepernick available damien. Woody good to see you sir max. Would he be a good fit with the cowboys. You think big. Jerry would just welcome colin with open arms and we can make this happen are the great fit. If he can still play they should bring them in and take a look absolutely but not just for football reasons. The cowboys the eagles all these garbage. Nfc east team. Someone's gotta win the division going anywhere. These teams are terrible. Cowboys are called. America's team and jerry jones early on was not very supportive of colin kaepernick's protests early on a special and it was a dark time in our country's history and maybe we started to turn a corner. We'll see let's see but there's a new day coming and certainly kapernick. For example has been redeemed among those who think he needed redemption like. He really wasn't justified in terms of what he did. Kneeling kneeling member started sitting. And then it was. that's disrespectful. Let's let's do something more respectful okay. I'll kneel nate boyer looked at him and said hey. Come the kind of offends me. Can we get together and talk about something and come up with a kind of an american solution. okay yes. He wasn't hard headed. I'm trying to disrespect people spit on something. Disrespect the military's no. It's not what it's about. I'm protesting interactions of between police and communities of color. were simply. Put police brutality for black people. So yes i can't do that and he wasn't. He decided to kneel and that was a compromise reached. And while it's not really an issue this is not a really because with the backdrop of a pandemic and several years later. Instances of police brutality and murder we had riots throughout the country. The country we were literally on fire and people look back now and said see. Why cabinet was neil respectfully kneeling before the anthem. If you're america's team and by way we're coming off election where the country looks very divided but and there's there's always been this idea that if you protest flags somehow that's on american and the flip side of that no that's very american because our freedom of speech is protected by that flag so you can't honor any better than protesting and that's an ongoing debate. The left and the right has had but it is an american debate. I remember when it was said by a relatively public figure in north korea. You'd have been killed for something like right right in north korea. You can't do that in america you can and i think that capper nick who's been unfairly denied his right to work. Basically they have not given even a look. When you are looking at a quarterback situation like the cowboys have and you call yourself. America's team you should give look give him a look. Let's see what he's got. I think that is a uniquely american thing to do. And i'm totally in favor of it. Max i couldn't disagree with you more absolutely. Not if i'm calling capital there's no way in the world that i would go walk into the dallas cowboys situation number one. I mean you talk just now about basically the whole. The whole social justice would colin kaepernick. Bring from that aspect to the dallas to the dallas cowboys and probably more to the national football league. And i would argue he has. He has more influence now. Being obsolete concerned everything that's transpired. basically when colin kaepernick started you know started taking a knee. There's no reason that he would have to walk into the dow's cowboys organizations to enhance or to try to move the needle forward because it's already been done. He's had already more profound impact than if he ever stepped foot in frisco in frisco texas the dallas cowboys speaking purely on the field. Here are county. I quite this to win coaches get finding you have those interim coaches that come in a good example is like remorse. They're almost impossible positions. Why would you want to. If you're calling capital right now. Why would you want to step foot in an organization in dallas cowboys. That the office alon has been ravaged. Their defense is awful. Go out there and you calling capital and you walk in you and you're playing football games. What are the chances that it's going to enhance your resume to either. Maybe play more play in additional additional. Maybe with the cowboys or with another organization there is no upside for calling caffeinate from either from either professional football standpoint going with cowboys because of everything that's going on with the roster the coaching staff. Because i'm up. I'm monday impression that dallas cowboys need to blow this thing up. That's where i feel like in terms of what i know. They're terrible on both sides of the ball right now without their quarterback. Blow it up. Yeah i think you need to fire mike mccarthy. I think they need isn't there's nothing wrong with saying what's going on in your mistake and just moving forward. Listen jerry. jones has plenty of money. He can he awfully obviously discard the coaching staff. And say you know what this is not working. You see what the play is the same behind the scenes where they were making all these anonymous quotes to to their fatal reporters. That whole locker room is in shambles. So if you call and cabinet. What is the upside of stepping into a dysfunctional organization bad roster that would inhibit you from putting your best foot forward in professional. I think this is bigger than football. First of all. Where's the opportunity coming right. Like he has not had an opportunity. The only time capture nick was even supposedly given a look the laughable tryout where the nfl tried to smuggle in under a waiver they want him to sign indemnifying them from future lawsuits and stuff like that. That was the so. It was a whole dog and dog and pony show dressed up to have caught. Kapernick waive his rights and his team was like we are doing that. And so there's no no team has brought them in damian. This is bigger than football so anytime there is an opening at quarterback like clearly. The backups. aren't good enough anytime for any team. All say give capper nickel look. Here's an example of that but in addition to that fact that. It's the dallas cowboys. Yes the the organization that the team is a mess right now. That's true but actually overall pretty good organization most years you can expect them to be competitive and field a five hundred or above team in the last ten seasons. They've averaged eight and a half wins. Whenever i'm critical of jerry. Stephen jones as they ain't good enough as gm's but the worst kind of mid pack but almost upper mid pack gm's which is saying a lot for their abilities considering they didn't earn their positions. They bought their positions really hard to buy into a gm position. Then be better than most people in the league if not not elite so usually they're kind of competitive but the fact that it's the dallas cowboys damian. Think about it use. Your imagination goes team. Collie i don't think america's there yet. I'm not listening again. If collin company really wanted to play football again why would you step on the field with the state of the dallas cowboys that they're in right now from a from a from a pure talent standpoint you talk about options as he have. That's why we're instead of sitting at. He knows that this isn't even a backup position. This is now a third string position essentially beside behind bend so at this point. Who else is going to call. It's going to be desperate. Teams will understand that but at the same time. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna step into a situation a no win situation. We don't know the nfc with northeast. No come on mike. Mccarthy had those guys ready to play against the eagles they march right down the field and score points i possession. I was actually kind of impressed with that. Damien is the worst division in the history of football. Can you imagine if colin kaepernick instead of giving up another year of his physical prime where who knows you could do it in a year from now went to the dallas cowboys and even in a garbage division somehow won the nfc east maximum. Until you let me ask you this. Colin kaepernick hasn't played meaningful balls in what. How many years three years three is it. Three or four six be thought we wanted to use says he's played meaningful football. And you're telling me that you will want to come off the street not playing meaningful football in four years to go to the dallas cowboys situation. We see what would the dallas cowboys look like over. A debt. I got has got injured. They've been absolute mess. The coach and has been a mess. The personnel agasi being injured left to right. The office line is a mess. Why would you want to if you really want play pro pro bowl first of all. Why would you want to get into this voyage. Will this may be your last chance like we're saying hypothetically if it should should do because next year will be five years since he played every moment asses. It's less likely to happen. Secondly from the cowboys point of view is cabernet. Ready probably not gonna take a look. Bring him in to take a look and find out maybe if he is physically at least ready to play a mali. As far as you're concerned you to north america's ready for it that's right if you leaders ship that that kind of divisive feelings in americans and divide americans that's right. You have a divided america if you have leadership instead that wants to bring america together then. Maybe we're living in a different america going forward. Then we have in the last several years and maybe in that america. It works with capper nick on the dallas. I'd love to see it happen. I'd love to see the redemption just in terms of reality. What i'm seeing right now. It appears america still very divided. Your miles go further with the capital one venture card the travel card that lets you were an unlimited double miles for more than just air travel right now earn one hundred thousand bonus miles you can actually use redeemable for vacation rentals car rentals and more when you spend twenty thousand dollars in your first year. What's in your wallet. Limited time offer terms apply see capital in dot com for details. What's going on everybody. Welcome back to protect amen. What he's still here with us. We got thursday night. Football and the packers batman a chance at revenge their mexico men remember the nfc championship game where he moster just ran all over them. I think like four touchdowns. Stir the defense. Oh mind nine. Hundred foreign for a packers are five and two but obviously san francisco is just decimated by injuries. A lot of covid concerns over there as well. Is this a must win. Game for aaron rodgers. If he's going to do anything down the stretch it's a doe win game you know. It's not must win in the sense that you're still in the nfc north. The bears running away with it. So it's not must-win from that point of view but like is it a must win for the optics for aaron rodgers. He gonna look good him now. If you lose. I can't call it a must-win damian not in that division. Not with the bears. Offensive line vikings. That's a divisional rivalry. The vikings played a tough. They usually do and they've already split that anyway. Why are they doing anything now. It's not a must win. It's a good idea to win. You know the fact of the matter is we have not seen that idea to your larry. It's not like oh you should lose that internal to five and three. They're not gonna make the playoffs. They're gonna make the playoffs. Pack places here. The issue is last year without a defense right and without all these weapons. They went thirteen and three. Rogers had the worst year of his career. They went thirteen and three now. Rajas comfortable with the offense. The reason it's looked choppy is. When was the last time yet. Bockarie and aaron gio and jones and davante adams just not just coming back was trying to force him the ball right against the bucks defense all on the field with some continuity like even then they may not have the defense to win the whole thing but damn when they had all those guys together it was like whole aaron rodgers and the packers. That's the best team in the nfc. That's how good they are when they have all their players when they get some continuity. If that's not them right now. That's all right. Teams evolve over the course of the season a lot of times. It's among the elite teams who are healthiest towards the playoffs. Those are the teams that go on the run. No i'm not gonna say we ate you. You lose a game because you're because you're missing a few guys because you're not in rhythm because you hit a lull in your season. I'm not gonna call that a must win game nod disagreement. I disagree and i think part of the reason why you know myself why i disagree. During my time with new england the one thing we all we used to preach coach. Bill gates always preach start playing your best ball in november december. Right now right now with teams usually start the pretenders and contenders start starts separating themselves okay and the one thing we saw from the green packers max last week. Dalvin cook just ran. I mean ran. Boys ran for one hundred and sixty three yards. That is just been an achilles heel going back to last year we saw that. Nfc championship game when they just ran. The forty niners ran over. Round through the green bay. Packers and i've always said we talk about aaron rodgers and his weapons. And yes he you know davante adams have been heard and allen lazard still waiting for those guys to kinda get back but when you get into this time of year as much. We talked about the passing game. You have to be able to stop the one. That's one of the fundamental things that you have to do at this time of year. And that's one issue that the packers just seemed like they. They can't figure it out. They can't figure out how stop. And if you're to begins of san francisco forty niners team would basically their whole roster is either on a covert list or out for the year injury if they can't stop run because we know one thing akao shanahan can do he know how to design runs. The game is the latest gaming if they lose a game so first of all chicago bears right there. I don't care what you say about a know. People don't believe in chicago. Bears quarterback but the fact of the matter is cut off right. But max matt's still finding three what is lead the green bay packers when at five and three. You lose it a forty niners match if you lose to the forty nine. This is more psychological. If you gave you the psychology say it again. You have time to get over like mashed you have when you lose to team that has decimated as a forty niners. It could you right. But that's good be but it's not necessarily we've seen aaron rodgers guarantee he's gonna go to the playoffs and rack up. Seven eight straight wins like this can get hot and if the packers get healthy and start clicking look. I agree with you one of the reasons. I like seattle and the preseason was. They made the trade for jamal. Adams right the green bay packers or do anything like that so i thought okay. It's a unlike seattle. That was before the everyone in the world on their roster. I still don't like green bay to win the super bowl because of what you mentioned but we saw them last year without defense right and not as good as they've been early this season. 'cause rodgers has the offense moore's figured out in his second year under the floor. We saw them last year with thirteen games and beat seattle in the playoffs. That were in the nfc hang for. Are we talking about right now. So you're saying get things clicking. They're going to go to the postseason. They're not going to go to the super bowl. So do you like if you're talking about is do you put this in the plus or minus column if they lose the minus tide. Here's what you here's what you realize. You're the green bay packers last week. Play homing minnesota. Vikings you get your teeth kicked in. I guess Let's be frank inferior opponent minnesota vikings. Then you come back you. Playing on impromptu time on the third thursday night against a very depleted for football football team. You go out here and get your teeth kicked in again against the forty niners max. I know how these these things tend to snowball in a inside a locked room. You go back to back weeks. You lose his gaming afford. Not as you're you're supposed to beat the have we not seen the packers come on late. At the end of seasons aaron rodgers gets hot. we're determined we've seen it before. And i know. How long did you play in the league. Well if you how many super bowl rings you have to. You've got to rings. You played twelve years in the league. Not only did i play and madden franchise mode. But i've won you my god against the machines here conversation. I wanna know the green green bay more like to be more likely to be one and done in the playoffs or win the super bowl if it's either or all torn pro bowl over one and done in the playoffs a one and done one. In at the end of the day you still is great. It's air can't start run you. You're not going to events in employees the way especially i'll take that if they don't win the division if they're playing in a wildcard game they're going to win the wild card game and they could win a game after that if they win out right like if they have a bye and they're just if they earn a bye maybe one and done because at that point you're in the nfc championship game and you're likely to lose their winning. The chances are what are the chances of getting the because only ford read that. I liked them with an extra around. I like him to at least win. That game and the next game vs. Lou and i think that's more likely different matter though that says it through times it'll be watching game. They beat them in the nfc championship game. It doesn't matter diners. Yeah yeah all tied in their division. Did you know that there's a bike shortage around the world right now because more people are seeking socially distant modes of transportation. 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And i know that sean payton has given indications that has told us on the year. no kind of grooming tastes hill to be the quarterback. I don't believe it. I think we see him more under center like actually playing quarterback that was their long-term plan they moved on from bridgewater who was going to be very expensive for backup and they and they bring him james who. Maybe he's really the backup quarterback it came down to janus gave the other team one hundred twelve points. Last season still went seven and nine. The bucks were loaded with enough talent last year and credit james also because he threw three touchdowns not just thirty interceptions and he led the league in yards. But when you are giving the other team one hundred twelve points to thirty interceptions and your team is still almost five hundred. That's a loaded squad. And if anything bigger more loaded in the off season right the saints year-in-year-out we think they have a shot to do it and a lot of it is the continuity with drew brees under center and and even right now i think the saints are are flying a little bit under the radar because they haven't looked great defensive bidding been and in recent years among the teams with a dynamic offenses. The saints were the ones probably best against the run. At what you were saying that has kind of fundamental the football of the dynamic offense teams. Those are the guys who are of the most consistent. They haven't been great. They brought in kwan alexander wright they the linebacker day. They're getting their receivers back. They're getting michael. Thomas emmanuel sanders member. Sanders brought an. Oh now they have a number two receiver second. Best receivers not. They're running back anymore not anymore. They have a number two receiver. So i think for all these reasons. They're flying a little under the radar. Remember they beat the box week. One and neither quarterback played well breeze out brady by a little bit so because of that. We're really not thinking about drew. Brees until seattle made the move for jamal adams and then the bucks just got everyone in the world. I like the saints this year out of the nfc right like adding emmanuel sanders. And i think they can start to remind us of that again because they're getting healthy. And i think drew brees importance to this team will then be highlighted because we'll be thinking about them in a way we haven't thought about recently. I think you're right. That is close. But i'm going lean. Lean on my former teammate. Tom brady and here's why. It is so hard to change of culture within the organization. And i know you talked about james winston and all the interceptions but the books have been downtrodden organization for years. And it's not just james winston a lot of times when you bad as a franchise so a lot of things you do day in and day out practice. How you meet all those type of things. When tom brady came into the building. One of the things that you heard from a lot of the players is. They wanted to see how he prepared. They wanted to see how he practiced the defense raise their level energy in the practice. And i know this is the talented bucks defense. But when you're going to get tom brady every day in practice. Guess what it does. Iron sharpens iron. You get better. And it's reflected with the bucks and how they play defense. They want the best defense in the national football league this year. And that's not. That's not by witnesses about going against a competitor. Like tom brady in practice match. That we've seen guys gravitate towards the tampa. Bay buccaneers four neck. Got released by the jacksonville jaguars. Where do you want word he. Where did he end up choosing to ten bay buccaneers antonio brown and as much as we talk about antonio brown to feel antonio brown had it. But where did he want to go. He wanted to go to tampa bay to play with. Tom brady so now. Only the tom brady. Elevate guys in the building but guys that want to win they find themselves gravitating towards the tampa bay buccaneers because of the competitor. And what. Tom brady brings to the game as far as the much. But that's a little unfair to breeze because because brady winds up in that situation and there are a lot of quarterbacks that have a winning record with the bucks a lot of them. They were seven and nine with james last year. One hundred twelve points the other team. That needs a lot of quarterback if you just turn the ball over fifteen times your nine and seven even before last year actually back their team but actually we saw them a couple years ago with james and they were just a bad team and then fitzpatrick came in and they were scoring forty points a game and it was like and who still lose. Look no they were winning for a little while. Look what happens when you bring in a quarterback but although sits patrick also turned over the ball but at least he was running the offense competently for a little while. If you put a lot of quarterbacks on the bucks maybe they're not as good as they are with brady but they're pretty good and we take breeze for granted because it's not like what you can't say is new. Orleans has been downtrodden organization for years. Drew brees can't get credit for turning around and organization that he's been on so they're usually good right. I mean there you got to this question. The fact that you from ten bay seventy nine enter. Tom brady into into the mix. A lot of people including myself think tampa. Bay buccaneers are the most. Well run a team in the nfc right now. They're the best team in the nfc. Okay that's a big leap considering. What drew brees bit in new orleans. And the fact that tom brady comes into that organization would no all season and now people thinking that tampa. Bay buccaneers are the best team in a city. It's not just like tom brady walston he brought gronk with them then that that show hold hold on. Wait now is gronk the old now. He's not the whole okay. Abc just came on the scene and obviously linen for net. But all i'm saying. Is tom brady coming in has elevated the bucks to the point now where people are looking at that football team as better than the drew brees. Football team has been there with. Sean payton for years. If drew brees would have come in and brought with him three or four other players. We'd be saying that. About new orleans new orleans last three seasons has been a perfectly good preseason. Nfc favorite pick like has been the pick of many year in and year out and the defense as i said among dynamic offenses yes and michael. Thomas is an excellent receiver but it was a thin. Receiving corps and cameras is a dynamic offensive weapon but people didn't look like he wasn't an every down christian. Mccaffrey saquon barkley back. Quite right like so. He had stuff but it was really the reason we felt that way is because with the requisite stuff around him they had drew brees and just because he's not new on the scene. We're gonna take credit away by the these. Two teams have played each other drew. Brees is one drew brees teapot injuries. Play tom brady. That was because he knows witness okay. Let's see what happens we will. It's your apartment speaking. And i need some favors when you're singing in the shower. Just try going up key. You're trying to be an alto when really era soprano oh and if you could bundle your renter's insurance with geico it's easy to do online and we could save money and then when you read your murder mysteries at night could you read out loud but skip the murder parts because i get scared for bundling made easy geiko dot com. Today we will see what happens. How long does that leader for you. In as you've gotten older. Is it easier to get beyond maybe performances. That aren't up to your standards. At harbor on i'll get over. It will always be my mind. Just because we lost that game. And i hate having turnovers But you gotta move will ruin the game nevada. Keep it on. Squirting draw cave dwelling move forward and the game is over mom mad about result but this is hard not to root for. That's for sure Lamar the ravens. Face indy this weekend. That should be a good game after a disappointing loss. Obviously to the steelers max. You think lamar's quarterback that's under the most pressure considering the expectations the mvp in the second half of the season easily. I think lamar's easily under the most pressure because it's not about any of the other games that he's going to have to play. It's about the steelers. Three of the next four games colts titans and steelers and the easy one is. Bill belichick patriots. So i ain't going to be an easy one right okay. We all know. Lamar jackson is a baller. I don't even think that its initial. He has to be a better pocket passer he does. But i don't think that's what's going on because when the analysis is well when he plays the best teams. They've made him play from behind and they're not built that way which is code for saying pocket pet passing. That's not what it's about the ravens and been a lotta good teams with the mark. Jackson starting quarterback. Let me tell you something against everyone. Else he's twenty four one in his career david. It's not possible. You can't go twenty four one against the nfl. That's insane and there are plenty of good teams. He'd beat along the way and all of them knew how to play. Defense against lamar jackson and the three tight end set and all that stuff right there are a lot of ski always illustrates not like they didn't know it's not like they weren't good. He beat them all in already. Lost twenty four and one. He's owing six against the chiefs. Three times in the regular season the steelers now once with rothlisberger. I'm not counting steelers. fourth spring. Quarter steelers rothlisburger. Ravens steelers rivalry and twice in the playoffs. And i'm sorry any other game against the good team that's not about being. He's played other teams. I didn't just list the best teams. He's ever played there among them that these are the highest profile games against the teams. You absolutely need to be. If you're lamar jackson. it's not about execution. it's in his head. it's about dealing with pressure. I wanna be very clear. Because i love me. Some lamar jackson. I love the way he talks. I like the way he leads. I like everything about that. Doesn't mean just because he hasn't done it he can't do it. Past does not necessarily prologue. Maybe he could turn it around. We've seen this with other athletes. But this point lamar jackson's career make no mistake. I'm calling it right at a certain point with clayton. Kershaw you said damn kershaw. You're digging wells in africa and everything. You're a good dude. I know your regular season. Maybe the best to ever did it at. We have enough evidence now to say you're choking under pressure brother what's up. It's not that you can never do it. But you haven't at a certain point with peyton and we said damn payton you're the goat in the regular season. You're losing forty to nothing to the jets. Don't tell me about your defense. Nothing the offense scored zero the. He was significantly worse when you needed him. Most they'd started earning that reputation james harden to and they peyton. Manning won a couple of super bowls and clayton kershaw won a world series and james harden has done better and better in the playoffs right now. Lamar jackson has fallen into that category to category to be in an away. These are great players three against the chiefs. Who absolutely must beat. If you're in the afc won against the steelers. You absolutely must beat. If you're the ravens and two in the playoffs i thought you would of went more arm. Talent with that rather than that. The moments too big pressure mar jackson russia. The pressure not on your lamar jackson. Interesting i'm going in a different direction when when we talk about pressure. Russell wilson russell wilson. I think we all had to vote on right now. Russell wilson will be the league. Mvp there's no question about his stats is first and completion percentage. Not me. i'll take holds. Forget okay you want. You want to be that guy. That's fine. if you like. Second second place. I i tend to like guys league russell. Wilson's leading league and touchdown passes so. Let's do the reason that the whole mantra let russ cook is because every team has been cooking the seattle seahawks defense you talking about. Maybe the worst defense in the league as far as yards per game. They're wanting to worse forest points giving up and also when you look at the seattle seahawks they had the league's best best record percentage wise. But guess what they plan in a division not one team in that division has a losing record you have the arizona cardinals and the los angeles rams literally breathing. Down your throat remember. There's on the cardinals already. Beat them this. One time this season so for the seattle seadogs to ultimately try to win the number one. See russell wilson is going to have to continue to play at an mvp type level because guess what. He's not going to have a defense to save him. That deep is going to be what it is at this point in the season. There's no no cavalry to come save. You is what it is four seattle. Listen i'll understood. Listen instead jamal adams coming back. He's a he's a great player. But i'm telling you right now. Even with jamal adams coming back. They still have a lot of own now. It's just get destroyed with visitors. A tipping point. They don't have to be good. It just has to be good enough. And i think jamal adams superstar if he's on the field so they have wagner and adams at key defensive positions even if they're not the ones you might want the most they have superstar players like they're not just okay or good or pro bowl players. You have arguments. We need the best at the. Here's the problem. Max you're talking about if you think bringing jamal adams is going to help them go from basically the basement of the lee to middle of the pack. That's just not but they could be up out of the basement. And here's my thing about russell wilson. He's answered all the questions we know he's an all time great. He's a super bowl champ. We see what he's doing. Lamar jackson now think about everything. I said twenty young. He's twenty four and one but owen six when you needed most. And what's the one six against the chiefs. Only one against rothlisburger steelers o into in the playoffs. Listen to think about this second. The march jackson is going to have to play the steelers again with ben roethlisberger. And then he's gonna if he advances. It's going to have to play the chiefs in the we're going to be looking at those two games. He even gets to the chiefs in the playoffs. He's gonna if he loses to. Ben rothlisberger steelers again. They make playoffs playoffs. And somehow he winds up facing if they advanced to the point he's facing the chiefs in the play and he loses to mahomes again. Now i'm gonna come back out and say at this point. He's like thirty in two or something like that against the rest of the league. Owen eight when it matters most at a certain point you have to your chief rivals. You gotta do is. Here's my argument against that. I think lamar jackson. He's still very young quarterback. I think there's no question about that. I think a couple of things working against them this year one. He doesn't have legitimate number. One wide receiver. Fasten issue that's an issue. Got a guy. You've got a guy but not a number one. Russell wilson has decayed medicare. i mean there's a lot of you know are leaking. Tom brady. Has you know chris. Godwin mike evans two guys. That can just take over game. One a one and and tom brady to receivers at least better than than lamar's best that mess dead that an. If you want lamar jackson for brady you want lamar jackson to take the next step as a passer hell give him guys on the outside. Who can win one one. That's why we want him to get api who the help did this actually doesn't address what i'm saying i want. I want to get back to the central point now. He's saying he doesn't have the talent and that's why he's losing to wash your wanna get back to them saying i'm not saying he's losing to good teams. You're not hearing me. He's beating good teams. When i say he's twenty four one against everyone else you'd think there aren't good teams mixed in there. Of course there are. He's beating good teams. The issue is not the defense the plate the way defense place. This was not the quality of the team. Even the issue is the most important games. It's not worth that's where listen. That's where personnel takes you over the top. So when you plan to cancel the chiefs and they they're on offense they're throwing out tyreek. He'll and travis kelsey mccoll hartman on the outside and then you will get you look at the mall. Jackson david andrews is grammar targeted at tight end. That's a little bit unfair. That's why i went to russell wilson route. I think it's also tricky because there are questions about his arm talent and then on top of that he doesn't really have the weapons as well. So i don't know if we're really giving him a fair shake i'm looking at. I'm looking at the seattle seahawks. The new england patriots. These are the los angeles rams last year. San francisco forty niners the buffalo bills defense. These are all wins for lamar jackson. Don't tell me that he can't beat the good teams where it's the defensive strategy. It's not about that. You guys still aren't hearing me. I'm really with the three things you're you to beat the chiefs. You gotta beat the steelers. You got to win in the playoffs. He's never done it. That's why the pressures on him don't tell me out. Of course it outside threat number one would help him. Why does it need it against the patriots. Why did he get the seahawks. The bills defense. I'm naming great teams. He doesn't he's winning against against those guys. Those are the must wins. I don't know maybe you're not playing from raids. Maybe he doesn't have to throw as much. We'll leave it there when deciding how and when to safely return to the workplace. You need to be informed. That's why ibm watson helps you. Prioritize employee safety with watson works a set of a infused capabilities. Let's put smart to work. Visit ibkr dot com slash. Watson works to learn more my gozweta championship. So whatever gets us there is is what we'll do. But i would say to have to you know star plus players in in twenty four twenty six years old. That is why. I couldn't get doc rivers to come interview and houston because he saw this roster and he he said it's amazing and sorry. I didn't fly to houston to meet with you. Daryl and then and obviously that. I ended up here. A couple of weeks later was pretty Pretty cool not bad for more hardened and westbrook and now simmons and embiid not bad for us because we got kendrick perkins back here with us. Max start with you. Which dynamic duo. Those are two very talented tandems. Would you rather have embiid and simmons. Because of their age. These are young emerging stars. Were likely to get better and whether you play them. They wind up on the same team because they play very well together. You move one of because you could make the argument and i do that then. Simmons may be better off with his own team. If i'm a gm coming into a situation give me embiid. And simmons give me a seven foot plus play. Who does all the things are classically. Great center has done. Traditionally plus can shoot better than most of them right from the outside and as a defensive monster and then give me the point guard. Who's kind of like a poor man's lebron james with a better handle no shot obviously but who does all the things that daryl morey wants you to do other than shoot. he's created. More open looks from three than any player since he's gotten into the league. Which is the point guard. And then otherwise all his shots come in the paint which is the highest percentage shot right so in fact he is an analytics type of player but also does things like play. I thought he was the best defensive player in basketball when healthy this past season. And who knows what he could do. If designed a team around him the way milwaukee designed to team ran into the compo- right maybe even better. So if i'm a gm looking at what situation do. I wanna walk into. Yeah give me. Embiid and simmons absolutely max. But there wasn't a question the question who is the better duo and right now is russell. Westbrook and james harden the ace tile. Brody's look you're going to have to start putting some respect on both of these guys name. James hardie you talking about a guy who has been leading the league gone. Oh walking book you wanted the best scores of all time in my seat. Walked the planet earth russell westbrook. He was having one of the best seasons of his career this year at some point field bright envy houston houston rockets. Were the talk of the nba before the pandemic hit. Both of those guys were playing their the elite level. The i was taking over there that i still taken over them. Is anthony davis lebron james. Now when you look at joe williams. Embiid ben simmons yes. The ceiling is higher. Max yes both. These guys are studs. I'm not knocking it. But this is a god driven lead and then to both of them get healthy. he More than the sample size of them together on the court. I have to see if i secondly joel has to get better until he gets in better shape. I don't know if he's gonna be able to keep up with the pace of the nba in a way. That is playing right now. So that's why. Doc rivers is there but i agree yes. Philadelphia has the better roster to rockets. But when you talk about the better out of the two oh it's the brody's all day and eight time. Well first of all. I wouldn't even say that. The second best combo. After what i saw from jamal. Murray yolk in the playoffs. I take those two guys as the second best but south cise harden westbrook will. Actually those guys are ascending and west brokers goods. They'll ever be. Would you agree with that. They ain't getting any better than this but there's a very good chance that embiid and simmons are getting better. Simmons i thought was having his best season and he gets hurt right and envied. I think the issue with embiid has been organizational lack of direction so he was sort of slowed managing which is why. I think he didn't play as well on the road. What are you gonna do about as back. What are you gonna do about it. I don't know what to do right. Daryl morey is taking over a situation where this man knows how to run an organization top to bottom and he's bringing with him. Doc rivers or doctors bring warrior with him whatever. They're both coming a coach who has won a championship and knows what he's doing. So in terms of getting the most out of embiid and simmons very optimistic about that given their present situation whereas hardening westbrook. We've seen the best they can be per. They're not getting better than we've already seen to say nothing of the fact that the basket is way up in the air. And you're talking about a seven foot. Plus dune in the six foot ten dude who are in their mid twenties. My ex and we're talking about a guy. Can you tell the best that they're going to be. Yeah the best that he is leading the league. James hood in look. I'm not the best situation. Yes there are more is gonna do wonders philadelphia. Seventy sixers doc. Rivers will be a blessing for joel. Embiid look at what deondraye join. Did playing under doc rivers. He has his. He has his best seasons of his of his career died. I'm not dispute it. I'm saying what i've seen with my own. Two eyes in this pass and in the president right now russell westbrook and james harden on the better dual and until ben simmons joel healthy and give more than the sample size. I got arrive. With the brody's they have to show me that they could play together for once and they d- they be held. How far did they get in the playoffs. Those two guys this last year not that four whereas embiid and simmons. The last time they were playing together came one miracle shot away from getting to the conference finals where they likely wind up in the finals. And giving what happened to golden state probably win the championship when last seen on the them they're really good offense defense ably it's not even close ambulances russ russell. Westbrook was not healthy last year. I'm sorry we're here's what i wanna know. Who waters the plans that marble or stucco earth mansions luscious and poor gis everyone.

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01/14/2021 - HOUR 3 - Brady or Brees

The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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01/14/2021 - HOUR 3 - Brady or Brees

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How many points do you like. I do like the packers. i feel. It's fairly comfortable. I would love to know era. Donald health if aaron donald is ready to go then i think they can be disrupted. Keep the score down man. Green bay's had one or two bad sundays all year. Sauteed green bay by about eight so by the way I've said this a lot. I've made mistakes in my life I root for redemption and steve sarkissian. Who i've known for a long time had a rough patch But nick sabin put arms around him. The nfl did and I have told more than one athletic director. Unique to hire steve sarkisian. I said he is a diamond in the rough. He is tremendous and he just won best college. Football assistant and life is funny. It almost like there's somebody taking care of us. Texas is one of my favorite college. Football jobs in america has been forever. It's a great city. And i could not have been happier. When steve sarkissian just landed the job and He's an easy guy to root for and is now joining me. Live longhorns new head coach. First of all i said. That's the day sark. I i don't think you're that far off. I follow recruiting. I have no social life. I sit on those recruiting boards. All day sark. I i think the the pressure i feel for you is. I think you have some good players. You've seen some of your tape. You know the roster what are you see right now in texas on your on paper no i i agree with you. Call on i think I think there's definitely some good young town on this roster definitely flashed last year at times and really think about the season last year. These guys lost three games. Want a double overtime and the other two in the final minutes. finish your seven at three so to be able to come into a an opportunity like this where you don't have to completely start over. You don't have to complete rebuild of roster but you can take that current roster develop it then continue to recruit to the style that you're looking for you know. I think we have a chance to get back to a real. Wanna be in sooner rather than later. You know sark. Was there a point in your journey that you knew you were smart. You knew you knew football. You are a great recruiter. You're really built for twenty twenty one and beyond your quarterback guy. You're an offensive line quarterback guy but was there ever a moment for you that you thought i may have blown. I may never get the head job again. I may not get that opportunity for sure there. Was you know when when you you know what i got you a see that. That was a tough time. The a tough time for me my family and clearly you know couple. There's some dark days there and you know to get to point to see you know what i'm not gonna worry about if and if i'm ever going to be a head coach again i'm just going to focus on being the best sarkissian today. I'm focused on being the best coach. I can be today. the best mentor can be today. and slowly but surely you know it started happen now. I became an analyst at alabama twenty. Sixteen I went onto the falcons worked for dan quinn for two years the office coordinator there and then got back to alabama For two more years in that time over those two years in alabama the opportunities to become a head coach again really presented themselves. And i said no to a lot of said note all of them until this one game and you you don't say no to texas. This was too good of an opportunity In so i jumped at it in here. I am very grateful and thankful for all the people that were supportive of me throughout the last five and a half years or so to be able to get back to this point. Nick saban's the best college. Football coach i've ever seen and that includes pete carroll meyer. If i said sark what are one or two things that you learn from neck that you're going to take to texas. Well i think one is. He knows who he is. And he doesn't vary from who he is what he believes in and that that encompasses a lot understandably but you know he knows what he thinks are the core values to be successful organization in football team and he really doesn't vary from that any holds holds that true. I think the second thing is you know is the disciplined routine in which he has personally at his life which then carries over to the program and you know there's a discipline in which he requires of his players And there's a routine in which he goes about his day and keeps that routine the same for his players and in the end result is there's a lot of other things that come off of that But the results are what they are. This guy's done it consistently now at alabama for the last fourteen years And there's been a lot of other schools in that time that assigned four five star players but no one's done at nearly an maybe never will at the consistency at which he's done at there. You also were under. Pete carroll what what is one thing you'll take from pete carroll that you'll use at texas while i think the engagement of the players you know anybody who's ever been around pete work with p played for pete you know he's a very engaged guy and not that it's all fun fun lovin. He's just engaged and he's he's very attached to his players and i think his players really appreciate that about him and worked for him. But but i will say call when you talk about a nick. sabin you talk about a pete carroll two of my mentors that i've had in my career They both want the same result. They both go about it. I would say differently. But what i've learned from both them is they know who they are And they coached to who they are and they don't waiver from that you know. They believe in what they believe in and they stick to their guns and yeah you may have an upper a down year or an upper in down but the the results are. We're not all set drastically change. We're going to stick to the formula that got us here. Here's the problem with texas football last fifteen months. Texas kids are leaving the state. How do you fix that. I mean how alabama's got a bunch of texas kids in this class. How do you fix that. Well i think it starts with your relationship with high school coaches that texas high school. Football coaches association is very strong. It's very powerful And what they need to recognize. And how i feel you know. This is their football program. These are their players ease of their kids at are coming to school. Here and with texas has been great Throughout the decades the top players in the state of texas texas have come to the university of texas and they put on that helmet It's an iconic brand. It's one of which you can go back to the earl campbell's of the world and the vince young's of the world mean great players have stayed home. And that's what we have to change. We have to change that narrative We have to. We have to develop those relationships with the high school coaches in state and ultimately when when the university of texas offers one of their kids that this is the first stop. This is where they wanna go to school. Listen tom herman went four. No and bowls his records essentially the same as dabo sweeney after four years at clemson. And he's out. Do you feel pressure. Do you feel a sense that you're going to get you're going to get about eighteen games. And then they're gonna start saying they're gonna make judgements on you. You lost oklahoma. Do you feel pressure. Well i don't know. If i feel pressure i think my opinion. It's you when you take texas job when you taken alabama when you take it a state you take a usc you have to recognize what the job is. And if you don't then all of a sudden when you when things aren't going the way you all want him to go then you feel the pressure. The reality of it is when you take this job our jobs to win championships. Our job is to urine. You're out being the conversation of the college football playoff. And i can't. I can't have my head in the sand and not recognize that now. We've got a lot of work to do. There's a lot that goes into this. There's a lot when you start talking about the development of our players on and off the field but i. I don't necessarily feel the pressure. Because i recognized what the job is. Yeah so like when you Take me maybe this too personal but the minute you got the texas job. There was in a car. You're at home. Take meteor emotional moment when your athletic director said steve. You're the coach of texas. Did you cry digit. Where were you emotionally when you found out. Where were you physically at home and You know there was that moment of i. Don't wanna call it relief. I guess it would be more of just gratitude. You know Gratitude towards a lot of people that have helped me along the way gratitude. I know the work that i put in personally. I know the people that that surrounded me that that supported me And gratitude towards towards the university of texas christel. Connie our director for for saying. Hey this is our guy and you know. There's a lot of great coaches around the country. And they think i'm the best fit for the university of texas elite this program And so i i was humbled honored I was probably a little bit emotional. But yet i'm ready and i'm a better coach today than i was five six years ago I'm a better person today than it was five six years ago and i think that's a direct reflection of hoya coach and so A jumped at the opportunity. And i can't wait to really get started with our players because i think i've so much to share and so much more wisdom and guidance to provide these young men that's going to take us to different heights new heights than they've ever been in their career here. Yeah well you are story of redemption and hard work. And i couldn't be happier for you. I think it's great. And i'm a i'm a i. Just sit and look at recruiting boards all day. Sarka have no life so when you sign stuff i'm going to send you already sent a couple of tax. I'm going to send you my stupid tax intel. You tackle down at some high school the sticks in texas and all i want to response from you. That's okay just two peas me occasionally. When i send you those texts. Hey the goal on that one call. I can say yeah. I already know about him. He's been on eight if you're beating us to the punch. Something's wrong that's right. Hey say hi to everybody. Chris and everybody congrats hook them and couldn't be happier for you. I will thanks. Call hook them. All right steve sarkissian. That's a great campus. I was in the athletic department about five six years ago at such a beautiful campus. I tried to talk my daughter into going there. She didn't listen to dad. That's the problem with society. My daughter doesn't listen to try to get her go. Did you listen to your father. Kind of i told her. I wanted to look at michigan. 'cause i always figure that texas is the warm weather version of michigan. They're great football schools but also great universities in cool towns. Ann arbor austin. I told my daughter. Go look at michigan and go look at austin. I didn't tell she had to go. I just said going visit. She didn't and now to anyone. Until i was twenty five years old really. Yeah no one at twenty five. I was like okay. I i've done enough of my own start taking some good stuff. The world shaped by the voices. We choose to listen to the leaders. We pay attention to the ideas. We choose to embrace. What if we made the choice right now to create a new world with better outcomes for more of us by listening to more voices. What if we made the choice right now to design a future inspired by the diverse voices of one hundred amazing women. Women are speaking listen to them. Learn from them. Join us at png and choose equal right now for an equal future and now here. 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Learn more at epson dot com slash heard epson dot com slash changing the game with their cartridge. Free eco-tank printers joy with the news on the news. This is the third line news so the eagles moved on from. Doug peterson this week. Just three years after winning the super bowl. Interesting aikman said. He spoke with peterson after he was like. Oh and believe me. Decision came down to a difference of opinion in quarterbacks. Came down to was a difference of opinion as we're moving forward the quarterback position jeff lurie the owner paid a lot of money to carson wentz. They're on the book with now. It's my belief that doug peterson. Felton jalen hurts and probably the quarterback going forward. How does that match. It doesn't and the owners want in that spot. Yeah no i mean listen. Troy would know jalen hurts is interesting. He's an interesting prospect. I you know. I said when he got drafted. I'm like i don't know jalen hurts. A second rounder. Years ago i used to be kind of a cynic on draft picks quarterback. Like if you wanna be right just say it won't work but i'm to the point now. Where almost all of them worked to some degree. Oh trubisky has a winning record in the nfl. And i was like totally out and he has tended division with aaron rodgers like the. Nfl's good job of adapting to the idea that every quarterback doesn't have to be the same and the same height. Same bill same arm strength in the same style and some can be mobile and some become more pocket. Passer creates system around the quarterback you have in order to make them successful the. Nfl has been flexible with that. They've also adopted a lot of college schemes through. It's easier for these quarterbacks ago from college to the nfl. and also i mean. Let's be serious. These quarterbacks are i mean with the ten thousand hour rule i mean. They're starting at such a young age involved very complex training camps. They're eating right. Like kids are coming into these leads at a different level than they ever have. They're ready to go in every major. Yeah when you send your kids to college. It's different than it was twenty years ago. Yeah kids now go. On multiple campus visits. They can do zoom meetings. The reality is when my daughter went to college. He was ready for college like she knew all about the school. My son right now a freshman in high school. He's already got down six colleges he wants to go to communicating with a whole new world cater. More ready more access information now finding the information the different thing but you do have access to more information would it comes down to in philadelphia if this is true which obviously is definitely played a role. Because we know that peterson. Wentz's relationship had deteriorated. The head coach is not going to overrule the owner. Especially when you know cars making fifteen million. A year and jalen hurts is not paid carson. Wentz they wanna see what he is. I don't think carson wentz is done in the league. I think he would do well to be somewhere else. Other than philadelphia. Cheap option jalen hurts. Who is very dynamic. I mean listen. Indianapolis looks obvious. They're not paying a lot of people and they gotta to get more athletic quarterback and he's worked with frank reich that seems like and whence feels more mid west mead and big city. Philadelphia is a very tough place to play and coach. It is like that's not. That's not a knock. It's just the reality. Not everybody fans have very high standards and there's not a lot of patients. Do they fired. Three coaches with with winning records. And i three years after winning the super bowl. It's almost unheard of so baker. Mayfield got the best of patrick mahomes and college. But holmes was victorious in their one. Nfl matchup so far is looking forward to next opportunity to go head to head the baker. Obviously it's cool to get the play against him and and such a big game in the playoffs and everything like that Known him for a long time Since i was a senior in high school and To be able to play on this stage is going to be special. And and i mean he went to oklahoma texas tech. I got the better of me in in college. I'll try to best to win an nfl. The differences baker had the better talent in college. He had all the nfl wide receivers now. Patrick's got the better talent. This weekend of games is amazing. Like every game even like rams packers feels the most lopsided obviously even though the spread for this game is much bigger and by the way the the number came down on that. So yeah so. The packers are national team so the fans tend to bet on teams. They like and quarterback daylight so for the number to come down. That tells you the sharps on the ramp because the fan tend to bet up green bay and brady fans like favorite. And we haven't seen we didn't see the packers last week but triaud. The last time we saw the packers were rolling the bears the way. What if green bay's rusty rams have a good first couple drives take a leave mcveigh's thirty seven and a leading at half so the question is can green bay come out plan but if they're rusty and the rams get a lead they're great with a lead cam. Akers play incredible. He's he is great. They can run. the ball. line is better than green bay again. I think it comes down to the the packers not falling apart. Which i don't have a reason to think they would. But the rams are a little bit outmatched this and they're certainly not as healthy as the packers mcvay is always has something interesting. Your point they're up at the half. Rams have better roster. I believe that to be true. I'm not saying significantly. But i think the rams have better. Oh line the better d. line way better secondary and a deeper receiving corps. So i i think the rams have a better ross which the bigger stars we should do our thing tomorrow. Name the ten best players in that game. let's do. I'm going to write that down. I think the rams have the roster but if the margin for the fewer players much speak I don't know. I mean it. Just aaron rodgers and playing as well so drew brees. Tom brady will make history. Is the oldest starting quarterback match up in the nfl. On sunday brady starred the old man jokes with his tweet about them playing on the history channel and said he couldn't help they couldn't help but laugh about situation at their end. Domino have a friendship and mutual respect. We were text back and forth on monday just shuffling whole area right forty three forty on friday. So that's eighty five years and a lot of experience with can be on the field on sunday. I think it's going to be one of those games. We all remember. Because i think we're all assuming that brees is gonna retire after this season So this could be you know one of the few last few games we see like he's playing and this is a legendary matchup contemporaries but never rivals there there but those two are going to own the record book if you go to the record ten years from now it'll just be page one brady page to brees. Let's always felt like it was a little unrealistic to compare aaron rodgers. who's also so much younger like could have another ten years in the league So brady like reasons and have the super bowls but he certainly has the records like the comparison era. And obviously you put me in there as well but you know he's he's kind of overlooked conversation and breezes had an unbelievable career. He's not as spectacular. Obviously like i said. That's not the super bowl. But i'm really looking for just matchup. Saints are favored by three according fox. Bet i can ask you a twitter leaning there. I think they have. I think their defense is more consistent. You have a great defense. They do joy with the news. Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by heard live. Just doing my stupid little game here. Where i'm writing down the ten best players in the packers rams game aaron donald aaron rodgers davante adams jalen ramsey. Feel like the first four aaron jones. Yeah cooper andrew whitworth. He's in there andrew whitworth. I think david bahktiar is lost. That game cooper kupp somewhere in there. I cam akers played pretty incredible number. You put him the top ten players in the game. Jay alexander corner for green bay. There's a lot of players in this game. Well that's why they're here. Took to you took the best players this weekend playing. It's about sixty five percent of the best players in the league. It's incredible these teams new orleans. Seven of the best players in the league. Right brees brady. The staff's gonna try to fool me. 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Attempts brady brees. Now everybody's just gonna may immediately think brady is going to be number one all these. A lot of these are trick. Questions because breeze had some huge volume years when he didn't have great running attacks so in terms of pass attempts. I'm gonna say breeze. Look how close it is. Look at at ten thousand five hundred and ninety eight breezes. Ten thousand five hundred and fifty one. Okay who has more career passing yards. Brady brees again trick. Question is that you think the randy moss brady stuff makes you think. Oh it's brady. But that was brief. He's had a lot of receptions to slot receivers. I'm gonna say brees says eighty thousand three hundred and fifty eight brady seventy nine thousand two hundred. Close those numbers are who has career passing touchdowns yet more career touchdown passes radio breeze. I would. I would say here. Because i think he had. He didn't have down years like greased it. I would say. Brady narrowly brady. S five hundred and eighty-one brees has five hundred and one who has more career interceptions radio brees breezed us that he had again. He had some lean years. he didn't know have great protection. Brady's always been a really low turnover guy. So i would say brees has more picks forty-three brady one ninety one who has more career game winning drives including the postseason brady brees. Well that's a trick question. It's obviously brady. And i'm going to get this wrong so it's obviously brain brady sixty one breathes fifty six though not that. Wow god brady had so many more playoff games. Maybe they just haven't trailed haven't had the game winning drives. Who is more career yards per pass. Tapped brady brees. Her pass attempts again moss. Things screwed it all up. 'cause tom breeze do a lot of twelve yards in stuff. I'm going to say breeze. Correct seven point six brady seventy five. Who has more career rushing yards. Brady brees that's like saying what moves better a stool or a batting cage. Come on these guys. don't have any rushing yards. I would say brees brady by kind of a lot. Brady one thousand forty three brees. Seven hundred and fifty two. You know it is true. I don't remember a single scramble. Drew brees is career. I don't even actually even imagine but it's funny because showing moving around right now breeze. I think is the better. Well i mean. Tom got drafted by a major league. Baseball team brees a good athlete. I mean like if you go back to drew. Tom just has very stompie runs. He's very heavy. Thank yes he does. He runs like perfectly standing up like no no downhill. Russia's can't believe brees has seven hundred rushing yards in his career chartering. Who has more career rushing. Touchdowns brady agrees. Will you give me a picture of one. There that may be the only one. I would guess no because brady's had more good brady's had more good running attack so he didn't know got a lot of those one yard put his head down your uncle collins. This hey switch boom right back on brady trick question. This very unfair to you. I felt bad actually. Doing it is a tie. Twenty five prayed. He's got a lot of those one yarder. He does a lot of that on on fourth down. There's a lot of quarterback sneak spin on a surly touchdowns obviously felt like it was a check. I'm sorry who has more career. Touchdown receptions brady bringing. This is not a professional show. This is this is like cable access. we're just doing silly stuff. First of all. I don't remember brady ever cat. i'd say brees has one correct breezes. One was with the chargers in two thousand and three go. Who can forget that one. All over youtube i was best guests in all this. So there you go yeah. How very close. Yeah it is. I mean drew. Had i remembered san diego breeze you know brees played in. I always every time. I have talked to him. He had a game when he was at purdue. I think i asked him once. They played wisconsin. It was a big ten night game. Wisconsin i think he threw for six hundred yards. We had on the show once and you ask them. Yeah because pra doesn't produce never been known they weren't during drew's time they were offensive program not a defendant one. He had some shoot-outs at purdue drew brees threw for lots yards at purdue he whole different saving era in miami. All right good stuff today. Dugout lead greg cosell. Ric bucher and steve sarkissian the new football coach. I like what he said he goes. I was offered a lot of jobs. You don't say no to texas. Just one of those jobs in college. Football bama texas ohio state. Don't say no all right. We'll see you tomorrow. The her to show you how easy it is to file a claim with gyco. We hired a soap opera star. Gracious me car has storm damage. And i had to file a claim. 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Steve Palazzolo Joins Us On The State Of The Texans And If The Texans Should Trade Watson

The Sean Salisbury Show

10:37 min | 4 months ago

Steve Palazzolo Joins Us On The State Of The Texans And If The Texans Should Trade Watson

"Where a mask. Order wear gloves. Where leather and chains reminds me of that time i accidentally walked into an sem convention. Back still hurts with speaking back. Fade back to former. Qb sean salisbury. On sports talk seven ninety. Get middle on them. I've been going all in on the medieval been middle east medieval on this trade talk and it's exhausting. But we'll have steve pal. All with his expertise cleared up a little. Bit knows this position and football as well as anybody. Senior analyst pro football focus joins us as he does every week here on sports. Talk seven hundred. All right steve. Tell me how far back you'd set this franchise if you traded to shawn watson man. I'm sorry this is what has to be discussed right now. It's unbelievable yes. Yeah you spend years looking for this guy you know look at the miami. Dolphins have spent twenty years. Look at dan marino the the patriots might never be good again and so they can somebody. That's you know close to tom brady. So yeah it's a it's a big deal finding this guy you know. Finding the guy that's gonna lead your franchise would watch it and especially. How much did we talk about how much he had improved this year and the steps that he had taken i mean he's probably the second best commodity in the entire league behind. Patrick mahomes the second most valuable player that you would start a franchise with going forward so it's a big deal If he does get traded. I mean you have to be talking. S- three ones and multiple tattoos. They got a minimum And you would like to get even more than that so And even if you do if one of those one doesn't become an above average quarterback. It almost doesn't matter that trade knocking to be even So yeah it's a tough situation to be in unless they can resolve things internal steve. You and i and if we were talking before this and we didn't because i've said the same thing i said if mahomes was here and watson was in kansas city kan city would still be the one seed and the texans would have been foreign twelve. I are five and eleven. At best. I i believe they're the steetch. Have different skills. That the other doesn't and to start a franchise. Both of them you start one two and the rest come into play these two so with that in mind. I'm going to play. I'm gonna play a guy who's calling you a the gm for a second. 'cause i brought this up in san francisco yesterday okay. I'm calling you. I'm john lynch and your mcnair. Nicotera say i'm gonna give you three ones jimmy garoppolo a number. Two and nick bozo. Are you making trade. I honestly on paper. No agreement i i it depends on how it really depends on how fracture the relationship is if if the texans are losing libraries. And they don't have a way to resolve things internally. Have the sean play here and feel good about it and all that fun stuff Then then then that's a. That's a reasonable trait right. I mean it's not. it's not attractive. Going shawn watson jimmy garoppolo. The one thing that is attractive for the texans is they're in this mass because they didn't have draft capital for a few years and they don't going forward they don't have the first or the second this year right so That's the one piece of this. That is attractive is accelerating the way the rest of this roster is gonna look Nick hosa versus the shawn watson. Not even close from a value standpoint watson is the guy as great as they closed is but at least getting. Say a a middle of the pack quarterback in there plus a few more draft picks to potentially find a top ten guy. What's adding up to the roster. That's the type of trade that would need to happen. If you're forced to trade john watson but honestly it comes down to the relationship and what he's willing to accept and if he's willing to say steve pro. Football focusing analysts. Yeah stephen lee. You're gonna answer the call but that doesn't you're still not sold on if you're houston that you're winning that trade okay. Trevor lawrence olano. We go to sam darnold and four number ones no ignorant of and you know what's crazy steve. We say that but if he was on in san francisco. I said this yesterday and when you say what is the trade. I just told you. That's way too much to give up. Its jimmy number one next year and a number two this year. I said i'm not even answering your call. You not even in the same area code. I mean we just said sam darnold and four number ones. that's how valuable watson is. I can't trade him steve. I can't even listen at worst. I almost got to try know hire enemy or whoever to try and cozy up the relationship and say listen. We'll do it in spite of cow mcnair and we'll take care of this. We don't hang around the owner very much anyway. Let's go win this thing i. I can't trade him. Because i worked my whole career to get a guy like him and i got to go back and try to find him again. It's just you gotta make me an offer that you gotta make me an offer. That your franchise forgiving. Those guys is going to suffer. So much that my franchise wins just go. Let's go back to say like the two thousand fifteen texans just for perspective you said you said sam darnold and four ones right. We don't know what darnold can be. Go rhino salvage himself. But let's pretend for instance those those ones. I'm just using texans guys right. What if they became. Jj watt whitney mercilus and david clowney. Who was a number one overall. Pick and i'm trying to look in the offensive side and hawkins right. Let's say those four players were added to the team. Well texans fans know before they had the shawn watson you know there. There were a fringe playoff team. Because they didn't have a quarterback because they didn't have that baseline of excellent. So even if you had lot mercilus. Cloudy and d andre hopkins with those four first rounders. If you're if you're lacking at the quarterback position your margin of error every single year for baking. The playoffs and winning a championship is just so much smaller. You just don't have that opportunity. So i think that just puts in perspective Watching the quarterback. Thank you as validation for a guy who studies it as much as anybody in grades players to validate the fact that even your four one. Sam darnold isn't enough for me to make a trade for somebody of this value into shawn watson all right. Let's talk about these playoffs. I got brady. I know how you feel about them too. But i had braiding win in a super bowl this year in august i come off that or am i doing. I mean they're in how legitimate is my chance getting through green bay in one of these other two teams. I mean they could pull it off. They have they have the tools. I think brady got to play a little better than he did. The other day agreed I don't think brady you know brady brees looked old right. I mean it was like you could see it. You could see stein. Yes yeah. There are physical limitations. Brady didn't look brady has looked old at any point. This season about what anybody tries to tell you he. He just ran into a pretty good defense. The other day honestly made a lot of good pros. We know the one that god in in the end zone. Sunday comeback to johnson on the right side where the throat. The bachelor low throw was a grown ass man throw. Yeah no doubt absolutely. There's no physical limitations. Tom brady plots that. That offense is clicking more honest. I think they ran the ball far too much. You know me and the run game. Yeah but they were going first down run first down run first down run but that's gonna be running play action and creating big clubs. They were so conservative. So i think tampa bay they open up the offense a little bit more like they did down the stretch and in the wildcard round against washington. They opened up the offense a little bit more even in the snow this weekend. Don't be afraid. Let let tom throw the ball around the field you have to attack the short intermediate range of the field. They can't be just chucking deep on third and one third and three they has to be You know more well rounded and pass game. I absolutely based capable now. Aaron rodgers probably isn't gonna throw the ball to them three or four times freeze did But they did shutdown rogers the first time and i think they've got the pieces to at least make things tough on the packers offense so yeah i think the boxer capable and i think it'll take brady play into really good games though down. Stretch ya okay. If brady and rodgers play their best games take their best games. This year and tampa bay in green bay defense has played their best games. Did the rodgers who's going to win. I'd probably lean green bay on that one. I think roger's has played a little bit cleaner than brady this year You know his best games feature no mistakes you know he just he just doesn't make he just doesn't miss if brady played his best game. We're talking about hundred fifty or two hundred yards. Downfield passes because that's bruce and system right so let me some chunk plays. I hope that happens to play their best games. We're talking like forty five. Forty two and an exciting nfc championship. But i think the packers are just a tick better. All around and their defense is trending in a much better direction towards earlier in the season of the defense is gonna have to force a few turnovers get a short field for tampa to go in and twenty four degree weather and win okay in the last minute i have with you. Gimme one reason. Buffalo can go into arrowhead and win below just has a really good all around team there. They've won games with the run game. They've won games with their defense. And of course. They've wanted to josh allen playing it and then b our and that's been. It's a lot like the niners last year but with a better quarterback with the niners win games and different ways on their way to the super bowl. So i've loved watching that about the bills and you know homes concussion or not or whatever just a tick off down the stretch here. Even the other day he was just okay so i think the bills have a shot. Because there's such a good well rounded team need. Make some special place though of course always comes down to the quarterback okay. Let's bet a steak dinner i got. I got my preseason pick of tampa and kansas city. Going to the super bowl who you got to get palm. I'll take camp. I don't think buffalo. Just you know just for fun tampa in buffalo and if we can ever meet in person well They haven't seen in. It's a super bowl or two ago. Get this thing over so steak dinner on it. Loser buys fair enough job. Go all right. We'll talk next week. brother. I appreciate you that steve. Thanks for joining us. all right. that's all you bet pro. Football focus great stuff about watson see. He's on our pays in our church. Pews sitting in the same church. Listen to saint pastor no pun. Intended about the front office to texans me acts. Yes that is exactly how you want it. Okay you can't trade watson even darnold four number ones sports. Talk seven ninety.

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Hour 1: Brooklyn Big 3

First Take

39:00 min | 4 months ago

Hour 1: Brooklyn Big 3

"James harden is a brooklyn nets reunited and it feels so good. That's with katie. what's going on everybody. Welcome i take. Thank you for hanging with us for just a bit. Stephen smith max kellerman on molly rose fellas. Let's get it and we start by hearing from one. Kevin durant losing teammates in in carries in jared toying. Also welcome in and you know a teammate. And jason does not even finalized yet. So we'll talk about it another time to get into things until they are official but looking pass looking into the past. What was it like to play with james. What do you remember about him as a teammate. Because you have played sure was fun. Take to all right. Here's the breakdown on the whole trails heartlands with the nets. Obviously the rockets get a package including victor oladipo. Four first round picks in four first round slops. Indiana gets carelessly birtwell. Cleveland gets jared. Alan in taurean prince. Max kellerman new are up i. What were your first thoughts when you heard this went down so many. I the nets have to make the finals. They have to make the finals. Let's just assume for a second that kyw re is on the team and will play for the nets at some point this season. This is the only big three in the nba. I don't mean there are two great players. And here's the third best player. I mean big three. And whenever we've seen a big three. At least make the finals celtics put together pearson garden. And they want even when miami failed they work. They failed in the finals. When lebron and wade and bosh there's no other big three to mvp's who are still at mvp level and a third guy and kyrie irving who's more than just an all star. Yes mvp talent and achieve all star plus production. Those three guys. You're supposed to get to the finals at least and they had to make the deal earlier. I said no. You don't trade for james harden don't mess this up but then dinwiddie was lost for the season. So in fact. Kind of counter intuitively as you lost some depth as the nets lost depth than another ball handler. In the back court. They actually had to lose more depth in order to get high end talent to compensate but they did lose depth. They lost allen they lost revert and houston got a hall. Four i and four swaps. That's an amazing haul. Considering the leverage that brooklyn had because harden was out of there. And this is what i mean. When i say superstars stephen league have all the leverage. What do i mean by that. Well they can sign where they want when they're deal is up lebron k. d. whomever and they go from team to team but because of that guys like ad say whatever you want about how long it took a d- wanted to go to the lakers. Where do you wind up the lakers. Say whatever you want to say about hardened and the ups and downs. He said he wanted to go to brooklyn. Where do you up brooklyn let this be a lesson to the owners in case they didn't already understand if you have a superstar. Mvp caliber player. He gonna wind up where he says he wants to go anyway. Make the best deal. You can now finally stephen. They have their work cut out for them. Not only is this not a good defensive team right now. But they're not adding a guy who's like a stalwart defender james harden though his defense until this year we'll throw this out has improved through the years and also there's only one ball and walk k. d. is a great player with or without the ball doesn't matter james harden and kyrie irving both really need and want and like that ball so they have their work cut out for them. This team is finals or bust this year. Definitely finals a bust. We agree there. But what i would tell you as pertaining to what was on my mind when the deal was first announced never as james harden ben under more pressure than he is this year the same be said for kyrie irving who who's career i believe is on the line You have people looking at him and wondering whether he's worth the trouble we know. What an ultra talented person he is. He's a superstar talent. We get all of that but guess what right now. He can't play better than me. You know why. Max because both of us are not on the court he somewhere else other than barclays center over with his team. I'm on television. He doing anything. I want to court. Then i ain't doing because neither one of us there think about that and put that in this respect it does not matter how great you are if you don't put your greatness on display and you don't appreciate your greatness to the point where you don't showcase it in the fashion at he is supposed to in case of james harden. This is deal you in. Houston you wanted to white. How it then you. Didn't you wanna see pete three then you. Didn't you want russell westbrook. Then you didn't mind y'all part ways even though y'all still boys in the end because daryl morey and mike d'antoni ended up going to. You decided that you wanted out fair enough but since you arrived in houston and since you've average twenty five a game every season and your career in houston thirty over the last three years twenty nine over the last four minimum twenty eight over the last five minimum. Now you're playing with the dude who's better than you in kevin durant. Who's a flat out superstar in this game. Fresh off in achilles tear eighteen months out of action. I eight games playing this season. Averaging twenty nine a gain fifty four percent shooting there is no excuse for the brooklyn nets not to make it to the nba finals and the likelihood is that if we look at them and they don't make it'll be because heart and then show figuratively or kyw read it show possibly literally and so as a result of that. I thought about the pressure that these two out the these to have on their shoulders because kevin durant is leading the pack. Not only is he a superstar. He is one of the most unselfish superstars we've ever witnessed on the basketball court. This do was averaging twenty eight a game shooting seventeen shots a game. Career was averaging twenty six and shooting twenty a game so think about that for a second here and somebody's going to sacrifice who's going sacrifice and make sure that kevin durant doesn't have to sacrifice anymore than he already has. That's the question. Mark in all of this kevin durant as long as he goes out there and plays the he plays. We're not gonna look at him. We're gonna look at harding or kyri irvine. Possibly both because somebody's going to have to sacrifice somewhere chris. bosh was the third wheel at sacrifice. Rail third will sacrifice. Klay thompson was the third. We're who sacrifice who's going to be that guy that makes the sacrifice well for the brooklyn nets here that's why kyri irvine and james harden the so pivotal in and all of this and that's what i thought about max. That's what i came to my mind. When i learned that this deal was done. Obviously those thoughts are legit. Only thing i would add in terms of who the pressures on i think there's a lot of focus and kyrie seems to be melting right now and james harden because okay james dwight howard. You want russell west. You want chris. Paul you want. What's russell westbrook now. After a year it doesn't work out. You wanna go to brooklyn. You're joining two other superstars. You better win. But in fact. Stephen a think about who the best player on the team is. i think. there's actually the most pressure on k. d. strangely because lebron wherever he goes figures out a way to make it work he is not just that he has supernatural passing ability. He knows how to lead a group of guys to the promised land whether or not they actually win the championship. He gets them. They're basically every single year new team-mates a malcontent doesn't matter. He gets you to the championship. And you have a shot to win. You have lebron. James larry bird. Magic johnson led teams to championships. Kobe bryant led teams to championships even after shack. Kevin durant his package as a player matches. Maybe favorably with anyone. I just mentioned he's taller. He's fast he shoots at least as well as anyone. I just mentioned maybe better. There's nothing kevin durant can't do. His passing game has gotten better. Battery can defend multiple positions. He took a brave a brave move after one that was considered really like he's trying to carpetbaggers as way to championship. He's trying to latch onto a seventy three win team. That was this was so strong. Going to new york going to brooklyn and trying to lead a team after an achilles to a championship. That's the point. Stephen a. if it doesn't work out even if it's re or if it's hard and that we can see well really. This guy wasn't behaving this guy wasn't playing defense. The bottom line is it's k. d. Who will live failed to do what lebron did. And what magic and bird did and. Kobe did for so much of their careers. Obviously michael jordan. None of the guys. I just mentioned is a superior package of basketball skill and talent and size than kevin durant now. It's time for him to show that other component to his game that he can lead a team a talented team to at least the finals. Well that linked soliloquy notwithstanding his reality of the situation. Max kelham tell me one time where lebron james has had to deal with dual personalities like that we're talking about career and we're talking about a guy. James harden that was once the face of franchise for the better part of the last decade. Who could dribble the ball and hold onto the ball and be ball dominant over and over again with impunity. You gotta think about it from that perspective in the fact that the two of those individuals are now on the same team. In and kyrie irving cannot be ignored. I would submit to you that under no circumstance at no time in lebron james career noted he had kyri and i know that what other dudes to deal with but in terms of their cachet their abilities combined with the the staal play that they have. There's no one that would be especially lebron james. He hasn't had to deal with that dual he might have had one of those dudes. He hasn't had to have two of them on the same tepe particularly when he was new to the team. That wasn't him when he goes to miami. You got d way. Did you go back to cleveland. You come back as a champion. And there's just car re young car re who hadn't won anything yet as you articulated on many occasions max that you had to win herod and teach on how to win and things of that nature then. Obviously you know what you go to la and when you go to la. You don't really have a team as of yet and then you get. Anthony davis okay. You have lebron. James hasn't had in terms of personal from a personality strict. He hasn't had a james harden and a cari urban deal with so i would take that into consideration and say that's a bit unfair katie. Got the challenge. But it's a bit unfair to compare it to lebron and say well abroad did so you got to do it too in that situation. I don't agree with that. All right let me ask you guys. This and max come to you here. So kyrie irving obviously didn't play last night. He hasn't played in the last five games due to personal. What should we expect from him. I think when kai re gets back and by the way the next game he misses will mean that in his nets tenure he will have missed twice as many games as he's played he hasn't been durable and even when he's been physically healthy sometimes he hasn't been available and maybe because of his behavior off the court he won't be available even it's his personal issues are settled to the point where he can play and he says it's ready. I mean that's a lot of lack of availability from kyrie. But let's say by the all-star break all that stuff is squared away. And he's playing with this team. Kyri has shown in the past that weather. He's on baller off ball. He is capable of playing with another ball dominant. I mean you want to call the bronx back core player. A frontcourt player. The bron- runs your offense. He's played with a guy like that and has had to play off ball at times and has also been the primary ball handler at times. Kyri has already shown that he's capable of playing with a guy like that now. Lebron is a more generous passer because he's a more brilliant basketball mind in that respect than james harden it easier for irving. But i do expect at least on offense for kyri for the potential for kyri to fit in with harden k. d. kyri is the person that we should all keep aswa and we should all keep our eyes on because in reality career irvine is going to be the third option on this team and the question is how receptive is he going to be with to that. We don't know we know that kyrie's a superstar talent you go. He's got the nastiest handling skills in basketball As far as i'm concerned. He's box office when he wants to play. He is worth paying to see play But i'm gonna tell you max what i heard yesterday. The hours reminded yesterday. And i read part of the cool to you on the air where i was told that. Listen he keeps this up. The brooklyn nets may have the power to void his contract. Do i think something like that is going to happen. No i do not believe that's going to happen. I don't think kevin durant is going to let that happen. I think kevin durant loves him too much. He values him too much. He respects him too much. He wants him there. That's not going to happen. And i do believe that. Kyrie irving because durant is his friend in the end is not going to let me down. I truly believe that. But that does not me we we get to negate mentioning what has transpired thus fought what transpired. What has transpired. Thus far as that he's left them to hang and dry not just k. d. but the brooklyn nets is an organization being very unpredictable. He's healthy. He's not playing he's healthy. He's not playing. He's on social media caught on social media partying with family members and friends. He's on he's on social media doing stuff for social justice issues which we all appreciate and respect particularly as black people in this nation and we and we definitely owe him a debt of gratitude for and his charitable Tendencies be the wnba. Could speak to that along with various others. His heart is clearly in the right place but the focus the discipline the determination that comes along with being skoll of a franchise and doing your job i he has clearly not mastered that and so because of it. You have to look at him in wonder what's going to happen. Because what is the brooklyn nets as an organization supposed to tolerate endear is eight. Max what does the nba supposed to tolerate. What kind of messes said if you remember. Max told you years ago. The only thing that. I lamented about lebron james when he made the announcement. I'm taking my talents to south beach. How he handled things with dan. Gilbert owners remembered that came. cbs negotiation time. And you never can ignore that because usually it's not the individual player that gets his comeuppance down a row. It's the players that have that have less value and the ham is brought down on the collective whole because of the actions of a few. You never know what this stuff and you gotta pay attention to it. Well kyra has to look himself in the mirror right now because the fact is you're right to point out which you kind of alluded to in cleveland. He was the second best player in a big three now. He is the third best player in a big three. That's a little different but the crate. But the reason i say has to look at themselves in the mirror is who do you think is a better shooter. Harden or kyrie. The answer by the numbers is kyrie shoots three better. Of course hardened takes a lot more of them he shoots free throws a little better although again hardened takes more of them and in terms of finishing in the paint on the rim. I think the best i've ever seen. Certainly he's on a very very short list so from cairo. Irving's point of view. He's like actually when you break down the skills. How is this dude better than me. But he is and that's universally acknowledged and to ask himself. Why now as far as james harden concern stephen a. He's the dude who's going to have to be sacrificing in fact because really hardens greatness. This lot of guys shoot two three as well or better than him. At least by the numbers free throws to all that stuff hardens greatness really comes out. his usage is so high he plays so many minutes. He's involved so much in the offense and yet he's able to maintain those rates usually if you shoot from three free throws a certain level especially from three the more you shoot it. Maybe that's going to go down a little because you're taking tough shots. Shooting a lot of them hardens. Doesn't it a lot of his value. Is that kind of stuff how we can fill it up. He's the one stephen who's going to be giving up touches that he normally wouldn't be giving up more than kyrie. I spoke to two coaches and the segment by saying this molly. I spoke the two coaches. Yesterday they laughed at them being in brooklyn. They said all the talent in the world. Let's see what car ribas will even embiid steven a. And they left it at that. Stephen let me ask you one thing. Real quick you recall. I'm sure and this is right before my time when earl the pearl monroe got traded to the knicks from washington. And join clyde frazier and clyde frazier very different personality than kyrie irving. Of course the whole question. New york basketball is how are these dudes right black. Jesus and and clyde frazier gonna share the ball. There's only one ball. They won a championship together. It's not impossible. It's not impossible but you gotta you gotta wanna work. They wanted to work. They wanted to show up to work in work. You gotta one. Oh come to work stave. 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Now a two time superbowl champ damien woody with us damian always good to see you and speaking of starpower guys aaron rodgers baker mayfield brady brees. Who am i missing josh. Allen lamar jackson all of them in action. This weekend max up. I is mahomes the player. That's actually going to be under the most pressure easily because the chiefs are expected to win the super bowl and they're expected to win the super bowl because they have patrick mahomes and yet there may be in some trouble their defense last year look two years ago. A little underrated last year people saw had gotten better but mainly as we know this time of year. It's how are you trending. It's a war of attrition the nfl. You're not the same team at the end of the season. Every that you are in the beginning and the chiefs defense in particular is trending in the wrong direction over the last third of the year last month month and a half to the season was trending in the wrong direction and as a result they've had some close games. Patrick mahomes is expected to make that a moot point. He is so great. He's the first quarterback. I've ever seen where because his team has him. I know he got tyreek hill and travis calcium ballers on that team. But let's be honest because they have him. We're expecting them to win. His reputation takes an enormous shot if they lose if he can't come all the sudden it's like wait a minute. Aaron rodgers won the mvp this year. We sure mahomes with better than roger. Stephen already doesn't necessarily think so. But the consensus says yes. He has the most to lose. He's the biggest favourite. he's his defense is not as good as many other teams. he's under the most pressure. I would say lamar. Jackson is i would say. Lamar jackson is primarily. Because he's going up against josh allen. Who's another young line on the come up and is an mvp candidate. That would be the reason. Why max kellerman of course that. He got rid of most of the pressure because he finally won a playoff game which is something. I lose too early in the week but nevertheless when you're going up against a young lion it's not only that patrick mahomes has already arrived in these already. They're not just as a guy that wants to touchdowns on the season one league. Mvp on then the follow year. Want to super bowl and is universally recognizes the best not just in the game the day but arguably the best who has ever done it in this short period of time. But now you've got somebody on a back end coming up josh allen. Who's a buffalo bill by the way. They made the playoffs last year. They made it again this year. The number two seed. They want thirteen games. He over forty five hundred yards and thirty seven touchdowns he's been flat out bowling and so as a result when you look at it from that perspective. Think about it for a second. And we've talked about the shawn watson. We're talking about lamar jackson. Talk about dak prescott year long because of his contract and things of that nature when we look at josh allen. He's literally falling under the radar. Stefan digs was a damn good receiver. We never seen him catch one hundred. And twenty seven receptions fifteen hundred and thirty five yards when kirk cousins was throwing them the football. Obviously you had adam dealing in minnesota but nonetheless the arguably the biggest reason why you didn't see that was because he had josh allen throwing them to football this time around not kirk cousins and so when you look at it from that perspective you see how buffalo is growing before how mcdermott is doing such an outstanding job. Coaching them and how balance. They are on both sides of the ball the way that they've been playing throughout this year. If josh allen continues to be that dude and they continue to rave about them the way that they do defensive players are rave about him. Stefan digs loves them. The coach is talking about his growth in his maturation. All of these different things. You're lamar jackson. You want to show up in buffalo and kill that noise particularly in inclement weather because you want to go into his house under those adverse conditions conditions. Which you've never been exposed to in your career according to you and go up in there and handle your business so you could sorta stymie oakwell all that noise that they've been giving you about josh allen. Say excuse me it ain't there yet. I'm still at due to some degree. It's about me and patrick mahomes. It's not about you and patchett mahoney. You stopped at by knocking this guy off his pedestal. This week i think in that regard. There's more pressure on the more than there is on patrick. Moms i mean how in the world could it be on a guy who twenty five years old super bowl and it's been league. Mvp he's not sweating. Anything come on now. I'm going with. I'm going with steven steven a guy that boy aaron rodgers bad man up up in green bay. Because here's what we think. We can all agree that aaron rodgers is the most talented. Pass the football of this generation. There's no. I don't think there's no question about that. But he's only got one super bowl one super bowl and we've talked about many times out the packers organization particularly mike mccarthy who was the head coach at the time has big been wasting away air family. Well guess what. Mike mccarthy moved onto dallas aaron rodgers last year thirteen and three got spanked by the san francisco forty niners. Nfc championship game comeback fast to this year. Thirteen and three number one seed in the nfc likely in nfl mvp. If aaron rodgers doesn't get it this year what is his legacy going to be here. Max stephen would is aaron rodgers legislative on to be. What's the excuse going to be. There's no better time than to fulfill his legacy. They right here right now. Home field advantage that has to run through green bay area. Rogers well aaron rodgers. a very good pick. I would just say everyone recognizes and dan orlovsky has been on. Get up all we talked about the bad matchup defensively rogers and everyone recognizes if the rams are healthy like if aaron donald is healthy. That's a very tough match up in a defense capable of being the best defense less than the playoffs a team. That's been to the super bowl. Not that all not all that long ago and we're going to win sure to be bad for rodgers but it wouldn't be the most shocking thing in the world as for lamar jackson stephen. I think you've got it right off the bat. Which is lamar really the pressure was. You've got to win a playoff game this year. You gotta do it if they lose to the bills people. There is some pressure. Because hey josh allen lamar jackson basically like it or not the winner of this game that quarterbacks going to be elevated over the other but the monkey's off lamar jackson's back he has now one in the playoffs and similarly josh allen. Look if you've already won a playoff game and you're still ascending. You're not expected to win the super bowl. No one's picking the browns to beat chiefs. Everyone acknowledges they know what you're saying. David already won a super bowl won. Mvp super bowl mvp defended is only twenty five. He's not going to feel that pressure. Maybe mahomes doesn't feel pressure. That doesn't mean it's not there. He is the chiefs or the i team because of mahomes that i looked at preseason and i said to me that's not only the odds on favourite. Tom taking them against the field and many people felt that way. Many people. and it's because of mahal's when you are michael jordan when you are recognized as the best and if you have the team around you were expected to win every single in itself. It's never happened before. There's always enormous honing. Max i got. I got to admit sometimes. I wonder if you truly truly watch sports. You can't give me a champion that has lost before everybody loses the fact that a matter is if patrick mahomes loses the super bowl championship is still on his resume the league. Mvp is still on his resume him showing up and producing individually as well as leading. His team is still on his resume and he's got at least a decade to do it even more so guess what he'll just come back another time. You lamar jackson. You still learning how to learn how to win a playoff game. You josh allen you wanna come up. You're trying to stop all of that momentum for building because you still want to be that dude at remember. Lamar jackson still arena league. Mvp so we gotta take all of those things into consideration and look at it for what it is. I don't think there's that much pressure on. Hosea they got the best record in. Football and the expectation is to win. But guess what. They're upsets in the world of sports all the time especially if football any given sunday. We know what tom it is. So i don't think that's the case at all patch home. Sorry again i'll go back to iraj because to me. It's it's a legacy thing you know again. This is a guy that's small town passed the football of this generation. He's only one super bowl there. That's accountable back in two thousand eleven. They have home field advantage. The nfc has to run through green bay. He's the likely nfl mvp. If he doesn't come through this time there's gonna be. you know. People are gonna be whispering the same old things about aaron rodgers class. That has paid manny or tom brady. That's what people are gonna say that you just pointed something out first of all rogers. Most talented passer the football. I agreed till i saw patrick mahomes. I can't say rogers any more talented than mahomes. Maybe you can earn more talented than rogers. Okay you could say that they're about even if you know. Not a dime of difference. My nickel goes to mahomes in fact and when you talk about a upsets this is the point. Rogers has offensive weapons. Not like mahomes. Lamar jackson we all know has a defense but is missing dynamic offensive weapon really receiver. We understand that the thing about mahomes. It's not just him guys. it's that he's playing with a great coach. A quarterback whisperer coach. With when you talk about quartet's not just triplets right when talk about quadruplets at quarterback wide receiver tight end and running back. Mahomes has had kareem hunt. He's heady layer damian williams who performed very well mahomes has every single thing. You need on offense. There are no excuses. Offensively for mahomes. Yes i'm gonna tell you right. I sure he's also right there and we had and we'll tell you right now. You talk about all those things on the kansas city chiefs offense. I don't know how they're going to stop nick. Chubb and kareem hunt on defense because those boys coming yes. They are what i'm saying. I'm saying that's what i'm saying. That mahomes cut something to deal with right now. Trending cleveland you. you make it seem like cleveland. Bunch of scrubs. No i'm saying. In spite of the fact that they got a running game kid sitting not good against the run. Okay so with a win. On sunday mahomes. It'd be the youngest quarterback to go to three straight conference championships. And i just want to point this out because they think it's funny average age of quarterbacks in the afc twenty five in the nfc thirty seven friendship and mutual respect You know we. We were texting back and forth on monday. Just kind of chop wanted this. You know this whole scenario listen. He's forty three. I turned forty two and friday. So that's eighty five years in a lot of football experience. That's going to be on the field on sunday. When tom brady signed with the box and i knew he was coming our division. I envisioned this game not. So what was that nine months ago. Eight months ago I envision this game happening all right. Drew brees all sorts of fired up. Max manifesting this one so max. This has to be the game that you're most excited for right. Brady vs brees most intriguing match-up of quarterbacks this weekend it's a very intriguing match-up it's the marquee match up. I would not say. It's the most intriguing intriguing. What arouses my curiosity. The most is not this game. Because i don't think this game will necessarily be decided by the quarterbacks. I don't know what they're really is to decide here. We both know they're great. Time goten drew brees go into the hall of fame and the saints forty beaten the bucks twice in their favorite to do so again at home. The bills and the ravens to me. It's lamar jackson versus josh allen. That's the most intriguing quarterback up. Because i'll tell you this guys that i mentioned earlier in the show there or not the winner of that game when you talk about the top five quarterbacks in the league the winner is going to be elevated to that spot. The loser will be relegated below even if you go back and look say well actually you know. Lamar jackson's team won. But josh allen played better vice versa. It's not gonna matter who's ever team wins this game. That quarterback will be in the elite group that people that would be elevated over the other one. These are two excellent teams. They both have super bowl. Aspirations josh allens working with a little more on offense and obviously lamar. Jackson has more on defense but the more has gotten the monkey off his back. His third trip to the playoffs cudi win a playoff game had to play the team that beat them last time and he did it he did it and we saw the market. It was awful in his first game in. The playoffs is much better in the second game and he won in his third game in the playoffs. And josh allen meantime went from a guy who was not very good his rookie years. Most quarterbacks aren't to guy solid last year to an mvp candidate this year and in fact josh allen and the bills have replaced the baltimore. Ravens who've amar jackson as the team that most people would tell. You is the biggest threat to patrick. Mahomes and the chiefs for that reason because of the position of the young stars in the nfl because of the evenness of the matchup. I think that that's actually the most intriguing game. If not the most marquee this weekend of interesting they put it a beautiful things about this show. Is that folks. don't have gist. You rely upon when we're talking about the dictionary for example when you use the word intriguing and you bring up the word curiosity curious There are other elements that come to the outcome. Attached to the word intriguing. Are the words that come along with the word intriguing. One would be compelling another would be captivating. Those things are also fall under. They also fall into the category of intriguing. And i would say that when it comes to captivating and when it comes to compelling max kellerman not just curiosity will curious but compelling captivating i would say drew brees and tom brady qualified. Who breeze going to be forty two years of eat. This is if the him already got a job in the booth waiting for him once he retires. This could be the end of a dude that has thrown for over. What is it eighty thousand yards for crying out loud something like that. I think that number eighty thousand yards. And he's about to say goodbye pressure off of a season where he completed seventy percent of his passes. It's not like he's just he's just done. He's walking away when we look at. Tom brady forty three years of age. I know you don't want to bring that up. Because we'd have to bring up the cliff and or the ravine. Obviously you know you said that. Three years ago and then two years ago when they want i understand. That's going on that subject. I span. Max i wanna bring our you not want to bring it up. But here's the thing. These forty three with the supermodel wife. Not only did he. Go get in. Florida max. He got derek judas manson okay so you just what he did okay. This is what this is. Tom brady that we talked about it. Oh by the way by the way. the tom. ford suits the supermodel wife. And oh by the way. The super bowl is gonna be in tampa in tampa. I mean those are the kind of things that we're talking about. I'd say that tree hugging. I mean. I think that when you look at tom brady oh did you say we want to see what tom brady. Does without bill. Belichick that you say that you said that. I'm pretty sure you said that that would be a tree. I mean molly the matriarch of this show. I mean molly wants to see i mean. We talk about josh. Allen s night. We talk about lamar jackson desperately. We talk about buffalo. Whether that's not necessarily nice but drew brees and brady and i think that were intriguing up definitions since we're bringing up if you really want to. Just say what's the most compelling or the or the biggest or the most marquee then. I would agree with you. But the word intrigued. The connotation. is that part of the reason you're compelled is. There's a mystery. There's a curiosity. That's what intrigued wind and compelling sure well except that the saints are favored their home. They've already beaten the bucks twice. And i don't know that that game will come down necessarily to quarterback play st louis sense versus the bucks defense. If it does josh allen or lamar. Jackson and josh allen or carving out their legacies now they're defining themselves now whereas brady brees or largely defined. There is some intrigue. I'm not denying but they're largely defied. But how we think of the landscape of the of the best quarterbacks in the world and the teams most likely to win super bowls going forward that this game versus the bills and the ravens really will have a huge impact on the way we perceive lamar jackson the way we are perceived josh allen and the reason is it may come down to that kendrick. Lamar jackson duty. Just did against tennessee. Not just run effectively but make those big passes when he needs to carry josh allen beaver next thing patrick mahomes in the afc marines. You just talk and talk and talk. Molly molly molly. Would if you've got a chance to watch josh. Allen versus lamar jackson and snowy buffalo or tom brady vs drew brees in a mercedes benz. Dome would you watch. You know what. I'll tell you. Stephen covered the ufc for a long time. And we're gonna have dana white with us just a bit. I like the main event in the main event would be tom brady and drew brees. And i want to let you know this because people might be surprised by this at home. Drew brees five and two in his career against tom brady. That's the best of any quarterback. I was surprised by that five two. That's played them at least five games sorry max.

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Barstool Rundown - November 19, 2019

Barstool Rundown

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Barstool Rundown - November 19, 2019

"All right it's a wonder how it is the rundown here on Tuesday November nineteen deep. Two thousand nine hundred nine. Is that correct. Yes I just I like. I don't know what it it has. Because that's what they've always does but who. I've taken over the rundown I am Dave Portnoy now because I dominated his ass over the weekend and he's faking an illness and he left something like that. Right Pizza Review content speaking in illness illness. Did you see he's dedicated to it. He changed his voice. And he's like no. It's very raspy our son disaster. That's what happened to the Dave Ramsey. Mundane Listen Day okay. I've been getting shit on the bar. So Gospel show for like six weeks. You leading up to this big night and you fucking blow it. You blew in twenty eight three late. You ragged Baylor you fucking any. Let's let's talk. I'm a classy guy. I'm not just more from Mississippi. Hey I'm not gonNA take this and they're not going to brag about yes I am you tiny Loman you send a video said over and over. Beat your kids will. Not You know what my kids going to bed. Oklahoma one Baylor lost my nine year old just woke up. She's older than you already fuck you. Oh thanks for the job. I love you. What movement? It's almost the holidays again. The rise of Brandon Walker though fall is going to be. I'm so hot right now Brandon Walker. He so hot movement has has you covered this season with hundreds of watches. Blue light glasses. Sonny's and jewelry styles to choose from movement is making it easy with beautifully curated gift boxes. Here's an her gift guide and Free Free and quick shipping right to your door just in time for the holidays movement wants to start at just ninety five dollars. Clean design minimal and quality products. Be The big winner. This holiday season with the gift for movement get fifteen percent off today with free shipping and free returns by going to M. B. M. T. dot com slash rundown. That's envy MT DOT com slash. Ronda out hi Dan. Hey Hello Trista. Hello how're things. Things are phantom during the time of Borstal sports I am. I am everyone's very welcoming except for dance. I've been very well. We've kind of asshole extremely hugely of starting a rumor about which I don't even remember I have. Maybe as you said. Yeah I don't I don't remember seeing anything Dave Dave also said. I've said it then I'll stand by it but if I didn't invite out saying it what do you think inside your own head. I think there's a chance. Yeah there's a non zero right exactly. I'm not GONNA sit here. I mean you want me to do is give you my one hundred percent endorsement and then when when it's found out that you are more I look like an innocent until proven to be anything other than in three weeks from now. You're a mole. He said they're holding the back He's sitting there like I could've prevented this but I did. How long is it GONNA take to? Why was that Texas? Did you say his his. They've done anything the principle is USA. Today it's from from okay Monday night. Football last night. chargers chargers did everything they could to lose that game. The chiefs didn't look all that great. I want to start with the chargers. Though the two thousand four draft class allies already done been as hurt seriously christly and we never know. He'll be the same now. Philip Rivers D. U. N.. Done gone it's over. It's sad once it sure does. Oh you can't come back from shocking it and it's sad to watch the arm strength doesn't seem like it's there. He was missing open. Guys was short short hops. It's just sad I mean we enjoy fill rivers for what he is for. Always being down a score I liked by the way last night. Everyone was like so excited. Jump on the down score late fourth quarter but they were doing it with like three possessions left because he hadn't take three or four possessions there don't hit send until all it's truly late and it's truly almost got him. I mean he made that. Pass down the sideline I saw one guy tried to get ahead of it. He's like I'm GonNa take a nap and our wake up. Yeah and Philip rivers will have the ball right exactly But that does doesn't work like that. It's so it's over it's too bad yeah. Of course she said full rivers. There's like I mean you get these. quarterbacks quarterbacks is the one position in sports it feels like you know these guys for so long because they play for so along so when you go move on it's like you. Can't you know you just get excited to watch charged game because you know it's GonNa be filled rivers teen years sixteenth season. It's crazy. Aw and listen when you say. He's done people always like wow. That's a big thing to say. I mean quarterbacks are going to be done when they get the thirty eight thirty nine or forty now I know some are are living passer shelf life right now Brady brees doing but Philip rivers last night was bad. The thing that came came out of the game the most with is we assume coming into the season. The chiefs were the number one challenger to the Patriots in the AFC. I don't know that that's the case. They just don't look they never look right. Well I you think tyreek hill going down changes everything whenever he's off the field their offense is completely different. Because he's the one guy who you can't you have to game plan around him and then you everyone else be open and everything else works. What do you think I mean? I don't think the chiefs are real right now. I don't think they are. Either I awestruck Reno is more than anything is Petra homes those like last two possessions. Look like he was just he kept on throwing the ball to the left and he would throw these almost. I like. He wasn't putting everything into it or you'd float it too much. You almost got Sean McCoy killed on that one play a couple times. Last night he had a couple of throws we're got to here in just stopped in the ball fluttered like shards and he's just indecisive which is not like you know he doesn't feel like he's one hundred percent comfortable is that because of the office of what's the problem. Injury is well all right so he looked good running he. Did you look good running. So yeah the chiefs are weird. They're weird team this year can't rule out it's almost like Baltimore. Feels like the new chiefs like a lot more the challenger of the moment right now for the Patriots considering they did beat the Patriots. And they're just kiss rolling. Everybody Lamar feels like the excitement that I felt inside of my soul about Pat Mahomes last year. That's what I feel now with. All that said it will be very interesting to see if the chiefs skit like if they don't win the in West but they may be get the wild card now. They're the most dangerous so dangerous right. You're bringing you have an MVP quarterback coming into your place. You're a three seed them. Scare me right right right. And you can't rule out the chiefs peaking in late December and January and just wrecking the AFC playoffs. I think they are team when you have that quarterback and those kinds of weapons and that coach you're capable of doing all right. Today is the twenty year anniversary of the malice nuts twenty year the fifteen year anniversary nursery of Palestine. That wasn't that long freshman year in college when that in my freshman year in college I was like I'm not. I'm not thirty. I'm not going to do the math a sophomore year. Is it two thousand and two thousand fifteen year anniversary. Yeah you remember watching the more you watch. I am watching all the sports center. After because it wasn't there was no twitter. No and and just watch I watch for like two hours and they dedicated exhaustive coverage coverage. What you really mean you get it now but it seems like that was the last pre twitter event one of the last three twitter events where you live at solely through the TV? And I I remember that night I remember everything about it. I remember the somber tone from I believe. Sap was on the ninety s and and it was just Mike Breen was on the call. Bill Walton was there but Walton was just flummoxed of what he was seeing which hasn't changed at all but I I watched it back to shouted alleged that wasn't ricochet. You don't like him. I don't like Oh here we go. It's all about Bill Walton. Games are all about. They're always always always entertaining. You might be able to get away with the old man. Okay okay well you also like drug shaming drug shaming. Here's Andrew Walton actually. Hi Hey I think if you take it up acids stuck in your spinal column but he is announcing Games on the West Coast at ten PM. Eleven PM when you're like kind of not with it. He's the perfect match for that. I agree with you if you were saying. Bill Walton is doing duke. UNC At eight PM. Probably not interested is the perfect perfect guy for where he is after dark PAC twelve after dark so back to malice at the palace. I watched it back today and I was surprised. How tame I thought it was like it wasn't tame I went went through it but I guess I'm just desensitized to all kinds of styles to violence that I didn't look at it and we'll be like shocked? Maybe that's just the initial shock you can never recap Brian. You are test was yoked God. Stephen Jackson was fucking crazy. I was going to say as a as a temper guy yourself. That's not really true temper guiding you guys do you watch back and see like Oh. I could see myself doing that. Or would you have been a Brandon Walker would have been like I'm running on the the court trying to get my shot. Oh no not really yeah. I probably would've off got some threes off almost verse Mississippi State thing and you front row you would have gone through thousand four two so I can still dunk by then I would adopt. I would have ran on the court and Doug and I would have been punched fan fan too. Well he's no holly here. I've never pushed anybody. The sporting event put that put that in your mole notes. I've never thought anything I know. Lockout y'all to walk around with the threat of violence that's not really true shoulder oldest walled garden dot com brand. Walk a grant Walker in our big lease. I'LL MISSISSIPPI MISSISSIPPI HECK's I watched for wide you dummy don't be up kids because of this. Don't beat him up. I'll take services we've already had to dominate his ass over. Don't make me have a feud with you. I don't I want that. We're buddies you. I'm sorry battle. Harmlessly fans are boycotting Game Day. And I don't know if it's an organized boycott or just a bunch of Yahoos on twitter her but because game based coming to Columbus weekend for Ohio State and Penn State thinks candy. I don't know I don't know is always have. Have you ever been on a game day. I have been to a game. It's always over twelve two thousand fourteen. There you go. I didn't ask the date putting appreciate it was. Mississippi State Auburn is day. Mississippi state went to number one in the country The Game Day thing is like if you go once and it's fun. Yeah put your kid and it's like can I go tailgating party or go to Game Day. I feel like most college kids WanNa tailgating party. It's now the crowd that gets all their school starts at Walmart and probably doesn't go to school. At Ohio State. He asked the crew go into game show up and they put aside which work once. It's not a bad idea but I think it will affect gamed named is out. People will still show. I just think it's crazy. 'cause they're saying they're outraged at ESPN's dishonest and immoral coverage of Ohio State University. Athletics headaches. What Wade be mad at urban is is from the Urban Zac Smith stuff right there still or maybe it's the chase young stuff? What what are you GonNa do about about the change? I have no idea. I don't know I mean I'm not pro. ESPN A pro game. Day Of Grudge. Show oh no yeah much better show Barstool sports dot com. So it's not a it's not a one or the other you don't have to just watch game day or your wash show. I mean Jonah. Do Trista ten o'clock on Saturday Greens. Maybe it's a two screen world. Both screens need to be us. Oh my God. Screens screens need to be the third screen. One more spring for us the game day where Portnoy's ass out Tamar GonNa Portnoy now. We're not sure okay. All right well you need one of those mascot heads then. Because that's what I love wouldn't fit big wouldn't fit very good. NFL players are now making fun of booger McFarland on twitter during games and I think that has a wonderful. It's taken off and it's gotten bigger and bigger Davante Adams yesterday just quote tweeted When booger McFarland said Games are lost more than their one in this league? which is just an incredible statement by love? NFL players now turning are you yeah. What's the status on Burger? Because I was saying about this last night he looking back. It felt like he might have left. Jason witten out to dry a little bit getting that booth. And now he's in the booth because he fall Jason Witten. No one really has her eye on them. But he hasn't been like incredible. I think Bergamo Macfarlane would be a very good analysts for the college game of the week. I am where where you don't do as much research whereas not for Monday night. Football in the level of depth. The guys like Tony Romo doing. I don't think I think boogers out of his element I think. He's engaging he's charismatic but I don't think Monday night football is a good fit for him. Anticipatory not play by play guy. That's strong enough to carry a subpar. Second stores problem is every plays the biggest play every player and every screen like in the first quarter with would you feel like it was the fourth quarter territory but he just. It's like you need to know there needs to be four big place not every play. Hello Tommy Welcome to the show. It's on twitch on with Smitty enjoyed John. What's what's the deal with booker I do? I didn't know what time we're doing it today. The thoughts on what Booger Booger McFarland. Not the ones in your nose got got his ass. I prefer somebody else. Doesn't I mean I think he was more entertaining when he was going around those little scooter last year mill booger mobile. You need to ride that out as long as you can. That was fun but I did and fire. I don't think I'm on fire. Yeah you should actually be. You need to read the tweet. Read the tweet okay. So we did tweet read need no read. The that's why you know he's GonNa read the tweet. You read a tweet which read. She's just calm down. Okay Ah okay I give up. You know President Obama Valor puppet strings. Jalen Hurd Sucks. Georgia wing kept my man. It is in this spot. He's in this weird spot where he's feeling really good guys. Mr Mueller Sir. Pendulum Pendulum of Barstools. This brandon won't Mike GonNa be one of the most interesting days barstool because we have brandon walker going after Dave. We have Tommy's swan effort. Marty Tommy's Revenge game on Barstool sports advisors. We Have Rico who starts suid started like at ten ten front war. Can I just stop right there. I- barstool content. But you better be oh rider guy. Rico rider no you are. I don't care of keys saw disgusting and it was ooh talent whatsoever. I'm not a scale big item in the fifty to do you Mr soft come. They call you but they tell you you read your budget on those and hope that no one and I didn't WanNa Ryan Saul because I didn't want anyone again. I still care about John who still have my fall. Nam Enrico weather move and I think you should be something. I don't WanNa go. You should know the Wolfpack don live. We like everyone and and you never admit that you will but Ogden so caught up in my job couldn't see let's go when all the Kauai Better tweeted on my own view you go. Oh you should go and block your cell and if you saying that we still give thought shit. I listened to twenty five times to make sure that I didn't like it and I don't like it. Might you listen to it another ten. Probably I'm telling you right now. It was disgusting. What they're doing my man Rico? Trust squeeze him out some sweet as pie keep. I watched the game and wanted to kill him. SONGBIRD LIVED IN BIG T. It's Voice of an angel. The Justin Bieber remake. Yes beautiful beautiful beautiful multiple times to actually. My Mom said that to me seems to be active social context for supers- duly. I don't know she sends me screen shots rennet threads now about the mole comment for sure. I don't remember making a mole calm like you did. She's claiming started the Mama the liar. You're calling him a liar if I again if I did I I'll say about. We need to find clip. I guess cheating always advanced with technology and time like you'll start art as greenies to steroids. The cameras it just goes as more. That's how cider how insider trading has evolved over time. I don't know I I'm not I don't WanNa Whoa talk side pointing the finger trae down. I get people saying you like our. That's like ground wire to bring up so what you're talking about insider trading stocks. Yeah Okay Nice right okay. That's the end of that one. Yup thanks in business. Isn't this panel with WHO interesting. Yeah no nice. Try Fort Gate. Apparently Eric Swallow L.. Who some sort of representative farted on live TV taxpayer dollars to ask the cranium to help them cheat and election? I'm not going to shame. The man is just big on on twitter. Right now everybody's talking about farts favorite farts Eric's Wall Wilford. And what do you think about it because there was a pause between the two words. So they're the Clinton years to me with arcade. I love a good far gate but I got fucking spoiled for me before I can even get into it because someone I read a tweet. And they're like it's very clearly a phone vibrating on a hard surface and I was like God damn it. You know when it's almost like you that's what you then hear. I don't hear for here. Foam Yanni and Laurel. Yeah I hear the phone on like once you hear that. You can't fucking ruined for key for me. I don't know I can. I be honest. I haven't watched it or heard I don't want to. I don't want to believe it's not a Fart. I want to believe in Eric's walls farts just because let's just like it's funny too far on. TV that's funny thing. I don't have one in me right now. We need a fucking bag full of flooding. Only only eight one of them. Only have one CHICK-FIL-A I can't I can't you can't Chick-fil-a fart once or can't far on chick-fil-a Sandwich bread. I'm low carb right now. You really are feeling yourself water with you get skinny. You're going to get like the weight. Loss to Hornets. Level is going to be. I'm not I'm not only one in your bill. You we're going to say go. Every pound is another notch on his horny scale a North Carolina student. The five dollar check for thirty five years for Michael Jordan now he is auctioning off. That's awesome turn villa by Mike. I was GonNa ask you Michael Jordan Guy. Would you buy. Let's say Ah yes was let's say. Charge twelve hundred fifty dollars. Would you buy a check on a thirty five year. Old Check with Michael Jordan's extra dollars disposable income income. Yeah that'd be cool thing down you do. I don't have that disposable except for a check for stiffer. I bet you can bet can't win when you check in investment hold on with Tash you think do you think that's our investments. Basically just daily prayer. She's asking too many questions brandon. She's asking too many questions. Mole all right. Antonio oneal Brown apologizes to Robert Crappy sends a tweet saying. Hey Mr Crab. I'm sorry I apologize. All I ever wanted to be was a good employees and good for your program. I'm sorry Blah Blah Blah. What what he's writing? Pr Pr Person. Who wrote that? I mean he's eleven weeks in the season as well wait now right yeah. Why not do this in week three? Because I think it's finally fee like the reality that he may never play again in the NFL anymore. The Laura exactly okay. Well that was a very reasonable reasonable and quick answer. Let's take I mean. I don't think it was him. Do you think you buy in the next two or three weeks you might fire off a tweet the USA Today. And I'm sorry. It was a journalist to journalist. I am. I'm working undercover today in March and right the right owner. What's IT GONNA? Who would you start with me? We start with day. We'll start with Tommy say please is quoted up put a note in the top being like big cat always knew I was. He was the only smart everytime I was around him. I A new wearing a why was undercover Every time iphone came out ahead to like. Get it out of there because her mom was texting. You're so much part of the the operation does your mom or USA Today she is not currently a journalist for USA Today. All right not currently or not not yet. This is fascinating to me. I think mom is code word for your boss exactly where this. Yeah all right all the time. That's the rundown good job. Thanks Brennan Water Water Looking waters. You've been here a week. The name is how hot I am right now. I it talked about. Hey look you realize how hot I am right now. That is sexual. Won't have to ask you literally. That was uncalled safe. Dave not here to tell you what to okay. Well all right. You're defensive. Oh don't put your hands your hands down all right you very yes. He's he's very he's very. Don't touch me more uh-huh.

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