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Episode 239: The Power Of New York Times Endorsements

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28:00 min | 21 hrs ago

Episode 239: The Power Of New York Times Endorsements

"It does welcome to max politics. This max from gotham gazette coming to you the day after primary day. Well we know some things and we don't know a lot because in part because The primaries were crowded and competitive the so much on the ballot in part because of the expansion of absentee balloting in part because of the start of the use of ranked choice voting. So there are a lot of layers to these elections There are some things we know. There's some things we don't know we're digging into both of those some of the things that we can take away from primary day in the election thus far and some of what to watch for going forward we have a great show for you today. In just a couple minutes. I'm going to be joined by mara. Gay of the new york times editorial board the times editorial board endorsed in the three big races that were on the ballot in the primary the democratic primaries for mayor city controller and manhattan district attorney and all three of the candidates that the times editorial board endorsed got a seemingly enormous boost from those endorsements of times. Detoro board will join me shortly to discuss the choices they made in those three races. How those candidates are doing and what comes next. Those candidates of course were kathryn garcia in the mayoral primary. Now she's in third place but she has far outpaced expectations in this race so far and she's one of the three candidates in the mayoral primary that have a shot to win of any kind. The favourite there of course is eric adams who has a roughly eighty thousand vote lead. Roughly nine percentage points over mile wildly. Who's a little bit ahead of kathryn garcia and those are the three candidates in the running as we wait to count absentee ballots and do the ranked choice run off in another race that the times endorsed in the democratic primary for comptroller brad lander city council member from brooklyn is surprising. Some people by outpacing city council speaker cory johnson by Also about sixty seventy thousand. Votes and nine percentage points in the controller. Primary brad lander looking like. He's in very good shape. They're going into absentees ranked choice. Run off again. These races are knock called and they won't be for weeks and then in the third race that the times editorial board weighed in on alvin brag for manhattan district attorney in the democratic primary. He is leading tally for weinstein. By seven thousand or so votes and that is not a ranked choice election. It's technically estate office. Ranked choice voting only applies to city offices. As you manhattan voters out. There may have found out by getting to the voting booth. Unless you've been listening to the show Getting into the voting booth and realizing you had a lot of ranked choice elections on your ballot. And then the manhattan district attorney. Primary was not a rank choice election so that is just most votes wins. There's no runoff of any kind. They're nothing so. Alvin brag seven thousand boats up about three and change percentage points and that will come down to. What the absentee ballots. look like. There are tens of thousands of absentee ballots. in manhattan. there's tens of thousands more across the city so there is a lot still to be counted in all these races. Whether there's ranked choice voting runoffs at play or not. Were not gonna get into all the mechanics of voting here on the show today. Those resources are out there in clayton in case you're still fuzzy on those but soon on the show mara gaye will join me to discuss. The times is endorsements in those three big races and the impact. The endorsements seem to have had contributing. You know it's hard to measure these things. But there are there are some metrics including the fact that catherine garcia i believe had her biggest fundraising day of the race right after the times endorsed her and some other things like that that you can point to but also it's obviously part of a bigger picture so we'll get mars thoughts on the role that the times editorial board played as well as her broader thoughts on these big races later on in the show after that will be joined by david friedlander of new york magazine. He has written a lot on the mayoral race. He's been on the show before with david. Little later in the show. Really dig into the front runner who continues to be the front runner. Now that we've seen hundreds of thousands of in person votes cast and tallied. And that's eric adams. As i mentioned david david. Most recent pieces was fg adams and it raised a lot of eyebrows and also seems to have Caused a a little. Bit of flack from the atoms camp back towards david friedlander. That will ask him about and get into that letter in the show and then in our last segment today in this jam packed hour. We will have alvin brag the manhattan district attorney candidate who is leading the democratic primary. Thus far alvin brag will join me later in the show at around five forty so stay tuned for the full hour with margate. David friedlander and happened brag. All coming up so. Let's talk about this mayoral race. A little bit more before mara gave joins me. We have eric adams at roughly thirty. Two percent of the in person votes. That have been tallied. We know there's been somewhere in the neighborhood of eight hundred. Eight hundred thousand plus votes in turnout is looking at least in raw numbers like it's an increase from the last wide open city election cycle back in two thousand thirteen so many differences between now and then but turn out looking in raw number slightly up. We're going to have to crunch the percentages eventually and see what that looks like like. I said there are many tens of thousands of absentee ballots. Still to come in probably well over hundred thousand across the city were waiting on the final numbers in terms of what the board of elections has received but Those can come in all the way until a week after primary as long as they're postmarked on primary day earlier and so we won't know that again for about another week. The board of elections is going to do a rank choice simulation on june twenty-ninth which i think maybe a little bit misguided because it's going to give people a false impression that the ranked choice voting instant runoff has actually been done when they're just going to do what they have so far in terms of in person boats and not having counted the absentee votes yet. So there's a little bit of strange stuff coming up in terms of what the public could no But we will get a sense. Next week of the in-person votes and that's the bulk of the votes raid the eight hundred thousand plus in person boats. Maybe another hundred. Hundred fifty thousand absentees. So the in person votes were going to get a better sense right now. All we know is the first rank that people put and what we're going to get a better sense of next week is coup filled out their full ballot who ranked more than one candidate who ranked two candidates for five and what a lot of those rankings look like and we're gonna get a simulation of the ranked choice voting runoff out of the board of elections next week. Even though that will not be official results who will not be final results. Because it's still will not have the absentee ballots included so a lot going on. Aol race three candidates. Who have any chance to win. Eric adams my wiley kathryn. Garcia other candidates have conceded or have no mathematical chance to win. Andrew yang gave concession remarks. He's looking like he'll finish in fourth place Last night and had quite a stunning fall from where he entered the race And then scott stringer also a fairly stunning fall from where he thought he would be and many thought he would be in this race. He's gonna look. He's looking like a wind up in fifth place in this race. A lot to watch for their a lot to watch for in the city controller absentees ranked choice tally whether brad lander can hold onto this fairly wide lead that he has the opportunity there for a change in results would be if cory johnson winds up having been the number two choice on the ballot on the ballots of voters who voted for other candidates. Who will be eliminated in the instant runoff. And that's not an impossibility in part because cory johnson Was the generally the best known figure in that race being the city council speaker and it's also an interesting situation where brad lander running pretty much furthest to the left in that crowded field in ranked choice voting when you have someone who sort of running on one of the polls whether it's to the right or to the left they don't always make it as the second or third choice on that many ballots of other of voters about other candidates. So that'll be interesting to watch to see if that that holds up and a whole lot more. I didn't even get into here. The borough president races the city council races. There was so much on the ballot as those of you who voted saw. We have a full rundown of a result so far in many of the races at gotham gazette. And there's plenty of other resources out there to find. If you're looking for more information or i let's bring on our first guest today very happy to welcome back to the show mara gaye. Who is a member of the new york times. Editorial board mara. Thanks for coming back on the show. Thanks so much for having me ben so Your initial reactions. As you've seen what's come in. Let's start with the mayoral race When you saw the tallies of the in person boats that we have so far. Roughly eight hundred thousand votes and you see The standings with eric adams with a sizable lead in those votes followed by maya wiley and kathryn garcia and andrew. Yang scott stringer and so on. What was your initial sort of takeaway of of the results that we have so far. Yeah you know I'm still passing through it like everybody. But i think that the fact that turnout was higher than it was in the last competitive race in two thousand thirteen was just so good overall new york. I had been very worried about turnout. Just because people's daily lives much of the city have been phil interrupted in difficult because of covid So that's just a win. All the way around i think progressive You know they really had hard time getting their act together. This year with expectations were pretty low. that's sad. I think they outperformed ch- those expectations miley did very well And i think obviously brad lander out brad so I think they have a deeper bench to in the city council in the years ahead. So it's gonna be an interesting dynamic to watch but also the big takeaway for me here. Is that working class. Black and hispanic new yorkers Really saw air got him as a fighter for them and somebody who understand understands them use And will work for that. And i think given the fact that those are the communities that largely have Suffered disproportionately over the past year. I think that we nail have some lessons there. I think probably. I'm one of the reporters. A bunch of us probably need to be spending from more time in southeast queens and some more time with working class voters of thirty two. bj for example to get a sense for what. They're going through right now. Why they go the way they did And and your editorial board. I mentioned earlier. Endorsed kathryn garcia. The race gave her a really big jolt at the time really catapulted her from someone that a lot of people who pay close attention to this stuff were impressed by an interested in but thought she might have a really hard path to victory and then once the time aditorial board got behind her she really shot into the top tier of the top tier conversation had a huge fundraising response to that. And then all of a sudden she was really catapulted in in the polls she seems to have been Doing very well in manhattan especially but to your prior point seems to not have really broken through at least in the first place votes. I rank votes with in communities of color. Talk a little bit about what you saw. You know saw from her candidacy in response to her and the role. You the role you think. The times editorial board played in in catapulting her candidacy. Sure that time that israel board is a proudly aggressive and openly progressive editorial board Certainly maybe not as progressive as some in the city might want but we are progressive You know we saw katherine garcia as The best person to execute on and The things the city needs through that prism She may not be as far to the left as we are uncertain issues but we felt strongly that she could be pushed And that she was a really good manager who could kind of get the job done as she sent her campaign. I'm obviously you know. The voters felt differently. And so i. I think i'm very proud of artists i mean. I think that she was the best candidate and she was the right candidate for for us At but at the same time. I think there's a lot of talent in the race and i think You know maya wiley is proof. Positive that there's a lot of progressive energy. I also suspect that. A lot of garcia voters may have put wiley second. I don't think they're that far apart ways And then you know on top of that. You know eric adam for me as the editorial board my only regret is that Our endorsement doesn't hold the same sway in east flatbush that holds in park slope. Both for on park avenue and so to me that says There's more work to do and I really believe strongly that we should be as much as possible for the entire city. And so i won't until until we make some headway there and is that is that a reflection of the fact that would impresses a newspaper editorial board from someone's career and from someone's interviews with you and all the vetting you do is very different from the fact that eric adams has been working and developing relationships in these communities for decades Is how do you sort of. Think about the disconnect there is it. Is it understanding Better sort of y. Many communities responded the way they did to eric adams or is it trying to figure out a way for the boards opinions to really get in front of more voters and have more weight in different communities. I mean i think it's all of the above right now. I think in order to make them more persuasive arguments. We need to better understand Voters and communities that we didn't reach As as effectively And so you know. I i mean i'm feeling good today right i really am but i also think there's always room for self reflection and i think there's an opportunity here Listen black americans. In general i think specifically have had such a traumatic and disappointing history with mainstream newspapers. And this is something that we've you know my colleagues have written about in the pages of the new york times we're doing so much better There's so much. Thought put into this. But i think because of that history There's a lot of Trust or lack of trust to overcome and also just some folks who just aren't familiar with our work and so i. I really think it's on us to do that. Work And i'm proud to be a part of that but i i also think it's about i don't know that we would have endorsed somebody differently to be clear. I just think it's something different. I just think it's a question of You know are we understanding the city All the city dust we can and how do we make the most persuasive case to all odors. And so i think you have to look at the maps and say we have some work to do And that's that's okay. I mean that's an opportunity. At least yeah. And i want to get to the two other big races that you endorsed in clearly in all three times editorial board endorsement seems to have really helped catapult along with along with many other factors of course but really helped catapult. Your endorse candidates I mentioned at the top of the show. Kathryn garcia brad. Lander for controller. Alvin brag for manhattan. Da in alvin will join me later on the show The my wiley is is in the in the middle of eric adams kevin garcia in the standings of the vote as of now a lot more votes to be counted and the ranked choice Roll out to to happen. Remind listeners and new yorkers just replace notebooks what sort of concern you about maya wiley and one part of the you know her candidacy that you're very sort of encourage are excited about as she still has a shot to win as does garcia. Well you know. I think i just wanna be clear that our endorsement were copper. Nursia was based on kathryn garcia. And how strong we thought she was Candidate and potential mayor It wasn't so much about the laws of other candidates. I mean i think you know we were looking for someone with significant management experience. Give what the city is going through. And i think Mile wiley has a lot of really impressive. Experience life experience in career experience in n. Out of city hall but You know her resume is not necessarily as classically strong on the management side And that's just kind of where we were coming from ryan But at the same time. I think that you know her policy platform is probably not that. Not that dissimilar to where we are on so many issues And so i think That was obviously true for a lot of progressive voters elsa just before we move off the mayor's race. There's been there's narrative before and after the election. I think that's kinda troubling that. Progressives in the city are only white motorist. And i just i reject that Obviously i'm a black progressive. Myself is a multi-racial Really kind of millennial base coalition that is not just white or white and black Is quite diverse. That is very progressive. And i actually think it breaks down not just real lines but along generation generational lines and also. I think if you look at a map of renters versus people who own their own home. You might find some really interesting trend. So i'm looking forward to learning more of those maps. But that's my initial fauna matt. Well and maya wylie's ultimate strength in the races at least something of a testament to that And that very much relates to the next race. We should chat about. Which is brad landers lead in the city controller race which again just like kathryn garcia shooting up In the mayoral race. It seems like the times editorial. Boards boost for brad lander in the controller race was fairly immense What do you make of that. And what excites you about his his candidacy. Again we we. Don't you know we're not declaring victors here. But he's got a a sizable lead in that primary. As we head towards absentees and ranked choice voting. Yeah that was a really tough suffering. Because they think there was so much talent in Brain benjamin superstrong cory johnson another great public servants And so it was kind of an embarrassment of riches. I think brad lander was clear that he really really wanted. The job has fought a whole lot about how to use that office. Do the most good. He could and he's also just an extremely hardworking public servants And got came across. I think it'll be a great Balanced to have we we do end up having a mayor adam I do think it'll be a nice balance to have brad lander Pushing from the last. I think it should be very interesting. along with the city council and i think he's been a great advocate over the years for the downtrodden. Right i mean. I think His work on the district. Fifteen integration plan in brooklyn which was You know the commute a community based land integrate school in across several neighborhoods in brooklyn. That had been very racially segregated. Brad lander Really helped put that on the map at city hall along with Parents and other organizers. And you know. He had to convince his own Council district his own constituent to get on board with that and i thought that showed such conviction and political courage And i thought that. I mean that really i think for me personally may have kind of been of the things that put me over over the top and For him. But so. I'm i don't know what What's the first thing he'll do it. But i'm certainly. I'm certainly excited to see him. Bring that energy at back city hall in a new rule and in and in terms of what you you know in a lower information race like that. I mean you know. The mayor race mayor's race obviously dominated so much of the news and people's van with if they were paying attention to the election cycle. What do you think you know. The seal of approval from the times did for him. You know my hope is that Readers and new yorkers now that even if you don't agree with our endorsement which is totally fine we are thinking about What is good for new york good for the city. Especially you know with an eye toward the most vulnerable new yorkers and those who need the most help I i hope that if queer that we You know we take this role very seriously. I certainly do. I mean It's not just enough to agree with the candidate We want to know that they can get the job done with their serious And that they are ethical. And that's not to say that other candidates we endorse this. Cycle are not are not those. But that's what we're looking for in kansas and You know a hope that we can serve as a guide. And i think with brad lander You know there's a lotta progressive energy in the city right now so My hope is that we can kind of help. Guide voters to. Hey we've done some of this work for you and here's what we think is really impressive. Work can really get this job done Or is really a star and somebody who's going to be a great public servant So i see this as public service journalism and You know we are. I'm always learning. I'm still learning About how this works It's a huge responsibility obviously And before i let you go unfortunately. Just have one more minute. But alvin brag is leading the manhattan district attorney race immensely important race Like almost all these races across the city of the democratic primary winner is almost assured to win the general. What you know understanding. We have absentee ballots to count what What excites you about the possibility of album. Braga's the next manhattan district attorney. I mean this is just exciting. It's obviously if if brad does win the race he'll become need for lack prosecutor in manhattan It's historic but not only is he Simply african-american as i am right. But he is just extremely qualified to do the job and keep new yorkers space but also to be to bring real reform to this office and You know. I think he's just an upstanding ethical guy nice guy and i am very proud for whatever role we may have played in Helping give them a chance to Bring fairness and safety and manhattan and a quick last thought. Even if all three of these candidates somehow wind up losing which doesn't look likely but you. You're you're boards. Endorsement obviously helped all three in a in a significant way If if not immense way is there is there sort of a takeaway for you in that. Is there a message about the. You know the sort of revival of the voice of editorial board or you know anything about the role in in the local political scene at didn't mention before that you're sort of thinking about today. You have to leave that to you and others. I think that's just super focused on you know Doing doing the best job that i can. And and hopefully You know learning as much as i can about. What new yorkers are going through and You know who the best public servants are to help lead us out of a really difficult time into a better day mara gaye. Really appreciate the time in the thoughts. And congratulations on the impact That you've Apparently had here as a as an editorial board. We'll see what the final numbers look like. And of course be checking in with you in the near future but thanks for the time being so much.

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Episode 272: Brian Benjamin On His Run For New York City Comptroller

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25:34 min | 5 months ago

Episode 272: Brian Benjamin On His Run For New York City Comptroller

"Dan we'll get to oversee. New york city's billions. I'm jared murphy from city limits dot org. Hey and this maximum got the music how you doing today doing. Well yourself ben not too bad. Too bad It is safe to say that It is a crazy and intense time in new york politics. Yes just say. I'm riding the wave but also fairly overwhelmed by all that's going on and all that we have to cover and dive into enjoying it. But it's also there's just a tremendous amount going on. It's almost the end of january. We've got the primaries coming up in june. There's obviously the government side of things going on. There's the continued battle against covid. Nineteen in the vaccination effort. And then there's this Unbelievably busy and important new york city election season. That's that's underway indeed and we'll be trying to fill in some of those blanks and color and so those spaces today by having onto more candidates who are running to be the city's chief financial officer bought be city comptroller. That says senator bryan benjamin and then david weapons so the had Brad lander and kevin parker already on the show or the podcast to other major democrats. Running there are others in the race including a new name just in the past twenty four hours right ben. Yeah zach iskoe who we had on the show As a mayoral candidate has decided to stop his quest to be The leader of city government as the mayor and is dropping into the controller race So that's a. That's an interesting new wrinkle And there's other candidates Sort of percolating with the campaign finance board and possibly jumping into the race as well. That's including michelle caruso cabrera who recently challenged repressive alexandria. Ocasio cortez for congress. She's filed with the campaign finance board. Possibly jump into this new york city controller race in. So it's getting more interesting. We've had kind of these. Four main candidates All of whom are current officeholders at the city or state level aubanel. It's getting a little more crowded a little more interesting and of course. This is the role of city controller. Which doesn't get a lot of attention either in government or in election season but is immensely important as a citywide office and a major check on the mayoral administration and a major steward of the city's finances major office incredibly important place with real substantive power and a stepping stone to if not become mayor lease run for one of our top candidates. This year is got stringer. Who spent the past eight years or seven years. I should say as city comptroller so yeah. It's a very important post and yes we've recently Just in the past hour. So city limits dot org created a new guide to the race and we did have to add a few names at the last minute with some of these kind of late later rivals and some of these candidates when we didn't know very much about and we're starting to learn more about You know i'm happy. We're talking with these candidates for city controller. Folks should definitely find the interviews that we've done with brad lander and kevin parker in recent weeks. And now we've got two more controller candidates on the show today that i'm excited to talk with and the has office was in the news this week in a very important way talking about fossil fuel divestment that something that the mayor and comptroller stringer committed to a couple of years ago They needed time to explore what that would mean for pension funds because the fans are primarily there to pay retirement benefits to people who worked for the city for years but the announcement this week that actually three now three of the city's five pinching funds have agreed to divest some four point. One billion dollars in stock From fossil fuel reserves companies which is a particular kind of designation and put that money into other investments including green investments to try to get the same return You know kind of example of the way that the comptroller through what to the entrance is seems like a kind of boring set of bureaucratic responsibilities can really in some pretty substantive policy areas. So that's something that you'll hear all contra candidates talk about one thing that is interesting to see especially with people in the race like brad lander who is noted policy wonk and a guy who has had a lot of hand a lot of different Progressive policy dishes is how people want to use the office kind of beyond the pure financial aspects to come the job under the new york city charter weighing into things like housing and even criminal justice reform on this something that if you listen to our previous interviews. We'll be talking with two candidates today. Certainly if you're looking at those candidates that's something interesting to see. Not just what. Their ideas are. But how they intend to use the mechanisms of the comptroller's office to achieve them. We've reported on how comptroller stringer has proposed. A lot of very interesting policy over his years dozens of ideas Many of them are ideas that he was unable to directly. Act on himself. Some he was and some he got The mayor to do. But it's interesting role for this a position to be proposing policy without a lot of direct control over city agencies but significant financial powers in terms of investment reviewing contracts the other aspects of the job. It's very interesting. I mean i think you know Having the city controller put out policy plans is fairly helpful as long as they're doing the core responsibilities of the job well and you know we We'll have to pick this conversation up. You and i another time jerry. I'm interested in your take on whether you know. The sort of shareholder activism is the right approach and whether divestment from fossil fuel companies is the right approach. You know there's people like state controller. Tom to napoli who has recently moved bit on this. But who has felt like you know you. Your first priority is the fiduciary responsibility the pension holders. And then also you know very often You can make significant impact as activist investor by using your leverage and not necessarily divesting but but using your shareholder leverage to make change at companies. So you know. There's a lot of different dynamics here that will get into with the city controller candidates whose opinions no offense or more important than yours and mine and we'll get you know. Get their take very soon here from from two candidates for city controller about some of these issues then. So let's bring on our first guest this week Is state senator bryan. Benjamin who is a democratic candidate for new york city controller. State senator benjamin. Thanks for joining us here. On max and murphy how are you doing well. Thank you for having me Thanks for taking the time. So you're jumped into this race for city controller. Last time we spoke you were on this program. it was a little bit before In the months before things really got going this election cycle we were talking about the devastation of covid and how to address the state finances and all that and now fast forward several months in the or in the new year. Here you're into this race. That's fast approaching in june Tell tell our listeners. Why you wanna be city controller or you know thank you for having me. First of all you know the first responsibility. The comptroller is to protect the pensions of the retiree. I'm the only candidate running. Who has relevance investment management experience to help make sure that our and our pension funds fable and that we don't provide more resources from the city's budget to how to help To the to the pension fund last year of ten billion dollars. Ten billion dollars that was provided in the city contribution. That number is slated to go up because we didn't hit the seven percents Hurdle rate they're supposed to this past year we. It was at four point four percent. We need to control of who actually Have the investment management experience qualified to help oversee two hundred thirty billion dollars pension funds. Also we need a contractor who can beat out waiting. The city's budget. And i am the best person qualified to do that as well. I presently chair of the budget. And revenues committee sit on the finance committee and the senate Have been a community. Board member harlem shared the community board spent years looking at education public housing. All the key issues. That you worry about In in in my district they are are. They are here in live in wealth. I have the background to understand the issues. I have financial financial experience to help manage the pension fund. And then i also have the sort of public policy experience to help make sure that we can hold the city accountable. Hold up mayor accountable to see council accountable to protect every single dollar because as we are coming out of covid we have to make sure that every dollar spent and it's focused on outcomes not just focused. We got something accomplished whether or not led to the caucus. We need say a little bit more about what that investment Experience was that was You haven't been in the state senate that long you've had more private sector of career Before moving to the state senate a little bit more though about what that that private sector experience was in how it prepares you for this role. Oh great question. So i just to give a context you know i was one right here in harlem Went to school from k. To twelve Brown university right major of public policy. Harvard business school where. I majored Focus on investment management and left Been school and spent some time And morgan stanley. Where i would in the best in vancouver for few years and spent a few years to private wealth management helping endowments and a large institutions sort of manage their their retirement assets. And i was actually There at the time when the two thousand eight crisis hit and there was a lot of concerns about asset allocation manager selection portfolio diversification and. I really learned in the private sector. How you construct the best portfolio that not only mirror. The need them and desires of the actual retirees. In this case the pension the pension fund Of retiree who care these five hundred funds but also making sure that you're providing them with adequate returns that they need in order to succeed. We have a defined benefit programs Here which means that everyone. These are laid to receive a certain amount of a certain amount of capital. We have to make sure that the funds are functioning. And i don't know how someone who has no finance experience. No experience in the best management is qualified to manage twenty and thirty billion dollars I think it's dangerous Thing to do particularly in a time like this we need to pension plans to Be mack the michael turns me mcilroy live so that is less obligation from the city the contributions to the pension fund. That's a very important issue. It doesn't get as much attention as Sort of the ma- the holding the city accountable piece of the job is very important holding the nypd accountable etcetera. We do have to make sure though that we talk about the first order of business which is the two hundred and thirty billion dollars and how it's being managed for retirees and also to protect new york city do know from the outside and i know sometimes it's a little bit challenging before you really Have gotten under the hood here though. I think some of this is possible. While you're running you have a sense as to what is wrong with the you know. The current approach that you would change in the role to to invest those funds to garner a better returned. You have a sense of whether it's philosophical approach or actually a strategic approach that you would take that would change things. They're so good question. I've talked to a number of different trustee boards. They are a couple of different concerns around how long it takes from when an investment is approved to an investment implemented that. I wanted to see that and understand that better I do think though you know. I'm on the border brown. And i spent a lot of times. Investment committee and brown university's endowment had had very strong returns year over year for the last ten years twelve percent return of the last ten years last year twelve percent to some very phenomenal Sort of Returns and part of the the the the premises you wanna i talk about sort of asset allocation and how you look at which Sort of ask. The classes are looking to do well the next year or two or three eight new you almost have to be sort of a generalist about about as opposed to having a very rigid. This is the sort of avocation that we employ which is thirty percent equity this percents fixed-income this percent. But you do something a little more fluid and then you focus very heavily on manager selection trying to make sure you get the right people who have unique experiences and skills that can help Provide outside returns for the for the For the retirees. I think that's an important piece. But i will say to you. I think there's a second piece to this. Which is this is a public pension fund. You are living in new york city where we have some key crises that we can invest in which not only create a good return that uncalled correlated with the markets but provide an important value for society for example affordable housing. I used to build the portable housing before becoming a senator in the private sector. These are adequate returns. Definitely over seven percent. But if you've been if you focused on making sure that we have a strategic plan in new york city where we're building affordable housing for those who need it at the income levels that pliers you will generate a good return for the retirees and provide an important public benefit. We have over six hundred thousand years before housing that is needed is clear we already know it. But we're not looking at the city strategically to say ledge forgot how we're going to housing cross the city and every community has to be involved. No community can say what we don't want affordable housing here because we have. We have different rules. That were that were trying to ourself and you can also look at permanent supportive housing because we spent over six thousand dollars a month for a family and a temporary permit temporary shelter over three thousand an individual. There was no rain. You can't convince me that we can't figure out a system where the towels that have real issues. We can have the controllers Resources investment fund be part of a plan to acquire somebody's hotels and convert them into permanent supportive housing. That's the kind of thing where you can provide good returns for the for those hirees while dealing with the public service need. That's a win win. And those are the kinds of things that i believe. I would look at it as controlling anyone who would wanna be. It should be looking at because we should be trying to figure out how to deal with our public policy and a need while at the same time providing adequate return for for our pension. And i'm only one. But with that experience i think is boring to bring that up. Yeah no thank you for outlining that. So so speaking of your personal experience though you also Last summer joined the board of directors of a company. And that's that's caused a little bit of a kerfuffle here in the race. Do you wanna explain to to folks. What role you took on. And why in your estimation it's okay to take on a new outside role outside of your your government role whether you're state senator. Running for city controller either way You know y you made the decision and why you think that that. That's okay sure. So last year. I was asked to Sit on the board of a special purpose entity that is not that. It's almost out of canada to look at potential of acquisitions of companies that are not affiliated with new york. I went into the near legislative. at commissioned. i brought up the the the request. I'm quite frankly. I was after joining this board too old to look at these acquisitions. Because of my investment management experience because they thought i was good at analysing but that aside i went to the nearest athletes commission taught them monthly issue. Broke it down to them. They said they issued a comprehensive opinion that it was no conflict of interest in any way of me joining the board. And and i move forward. I made sure that the companies are looking at were in no way shape or form involved with any businesses that were against my values promoters lending nothing of the sort and that is that is what i what i have Have done. i don't leave it the conflict of interest because the after the legislative ethics commission that it wasn't and in no way is any of the business the that are being looked at In new yorker excetera ourselves. I feel very very comfortable with that vision and Just your decision to do. It is this. You know this is Another good experience free. I mean sort of wife. I you know you outlined why they would come to you for some expertise. Why why do it for me at the time. I thought And i still do. You know analyzing investments looking at potential opportunities. That's gonna happen experienced than i thought it would. It would be helpful. thing for me to reduced that off i hadn't been seen in the private sector in that capacity in in a long time and i thought it would be something that would be a positive experience for me and away from me to to participate in in This opportunity and that's why i they're doing and knowing that it was not in any way on an unethical. I got the commissions opinion That's what i looked to do it. So let's come back to you know looking looking ahead to the role of city controller. You mentioned earlier that one of the most important role you know. Parts of the job is the audit function his overseeing city. Spending talk about how you approach. That part of the job auditing city agencies monitoring the city budget Are there things that you would do differently than we've seen previous controllers do are there City agencies that you taken a special interest in that you don't think you've been paid enough interest in or you think there's really a lot of You know sort of waste or or other problems. How would you approach that oversight function. Thank you very much. You know one of the things. I think I would like to have as part of my legacy is that i audit issues. That are concerned. And then i turn those off into recommendations that can then be advocated for then hopefully implemented and. I think there are a couple of places that i really wanna focusing on On day one one is. I'd like to look at Housing and economic development. I feel very strongly Particularly timeout a co bid. A we have to look at our public housing. We have to look at you. Know how money's being spent there. And i would like to have an assistant controller for housing and economic development. Who would really kind of look at This conversation across the timeline working with the different age the different of Bureaus across the process. O'connell of like a relationship manager over these topics. I think that is one. Secondly like to do A similar thing for education. I really believe that we have to look at education. In a in a in a unique way we are able to educate people in manhattan in at a certain neighborhoods In in the wealthier communities but not able to educate them on the in the poor communities and these in the public schools. Why is that. what are the dynamics. I want someone just sort of really oversee that and how would go from audit to Implementation right across the board. And then i believe very strongly that the new york police department has to be Looked at bir seriously. We need police accountability. It is it's one of the biggest issues that are that as foot. The we're facing right now We are completely concerned about a systematic racism racial equity. You can't have that conversation without talking about the police department. So i want to audit the police department budget and and boot up the way that is not helping us get a public safety so i wanted to have control the public safety where the with the main event. It's not more law enforcement only for public safety. It is more public safety so whatever the right size of the police department that should be the case but if you also look at mental how look at Sort of workforce development small business services. We have to look at you know the range of issues that had pat colby safety. And that's what i'm committed to doing do do have you weighed in do you think From your stance at this point the there was this big question around the size of the nypd budget It's been roughly a six billion dollar operating budget annually though there's other costs related to Benefits capital costs Settlements do you have a stance on what you think the right-sized Nypd budget would be. I understand that that. I believe that the the budget definitely needs to be funded What i do what. I feel like we need to do though is we need to have a thorough audits. Should be very clear about what needs to be funded because it's not essential for public safety and for me my frustration with the conversation right now is people just throwing out numbers and no one's starting with the facts are driving the numbers. So we'll exactly is the roughly six billion dollars. How is that being spent. What is it being spent on. We should have full auditing that so that we can then say okay. Wait a second. This part doesn't make sense. That part doesn't make sense. This part doesn't make sense that partisan make sense and oh by the way we should take this part of that part and we should put it someplace else over here. We'd better spent doing some something else or some cases instead of you know Using law enforcement for mental health related cases. We should have another approach. I think i think it needs to be into agency conversation around public safety. And i don't feel the need to just throw out numbers for political Political point. I think it's important for the control chief. Financial officer of the city to be the person who will lays out all the facts but at least we can fight over the fact as opposed to fighting over twitter and talking length. And who's who's just sounding more exciting This is serious business. There real people by mistake you know just the other day in harlem. We had a situation where young woman Almost how to i've bitten out So we've got real issues across. The city does need to be addressed but at the same time. We don't want situations where we have george floyd whether there needs people's next right so we have to handle all. This is a complicated issue but that that is why it needs to be handled seriously and start with the budget outline and then we can have serious people have serious conversations around what the very and what is not necessary public. Think that whatever ends up from that analysis. That's number i support. I think we're going to have to leave it there. State senator bryan benjamin. We really appreciate the time. It's good to hear about your platform for city controller. We're now here in january with the primary ahead in june. So we'll certainly be asking you to join us again. Is the race really heats. Up in more and more people are paying attention. thankfully to To interviews like this and all the other appearances that that you're making in the work You and your fellow competitors are doing on the campaign trail so thanks. Thanks very much for joining us. Thank you for your time. I very much appreciate it all right. Take care iran.

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Brad Lander on His Lead in the Comptroller Race

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Brad Lander on His Lead in the Comptroller Race

"And welcome to a special edition of the max politics podcast. We are talking just a couple of days after primary day. This is ben. Max from gotham gazette. Happy to be joined by city council. Member brad lander to discuss his controller campaign. What we know and don't know council member lander. Thanks for joining me. Thank you great to be back with you You know missing. Jared excited for his new endeavor but i love love being with you. Yes indeed. we will check in with jared soon about nursing school in all. He's up to so you have Put together a very strong showing in the city controller. Race in the initial tally of the in-person votes that we know about from early voting in primary a you have garnered in a very crowded field Thirty one percent plus of the vote about nine percentage points ahead of the second place Standing right now which is city council speaker cory johnson. What do you attribute that. Strong showing to In the in the votes that we know so far we know are waiting to count both the absentee votes and then do the runoff for ranked voting the instant runoff. What attribute what we've seen so far to where you've got sixty thousand plus vote margin here. Yeah no as you say. There's still a lot of accounting to do. And yeah the way we're doing. Both ranked choice in absentees is out the excitement of the election but And i really valued counting. I'm a supporter of ranked choice voting. And you know. I think that it will give us better democracy in if waiting a little bit for it is the requirement than soviet. But i feel really proud of the campaign. our team ran We were the overwhelming choice. The overwhelming first choice of a whole lot of new yorkers all across the city in really relieving right now in Not just in brooklyn ryan but in queens manhattan You know we tried to run a really strong bold progressive campaign with a vision for a just recovery for the city that works for all our neighborhoods grounded in those ideas that the pandemic exposed a lot of inequality that we cheered on all those essential workers and we have to do better by them. We want a government that can help. Small businesses prevent people from getting a big did create jobs and do better to lift up all neighborhoods and and that broad progressive coalition was reflected in the coalition of support we built with endorsements from abc. And johnny williams it lists with marin and then at the same time to also have a message about making sure government can deliver that. It could work better. That's the job of the controller's office in many ways. And also for new yorkers a thing that they really wanna see i believe. New yorkers are open to bold government but skeptical at a lot of cases about whether don't tell the truth and weather to work. And i think want someone who has that bold vision but also really will dig in be honest about what's working and not working and push hard to make it work better and i really found that resonated across a very wide swath of neighborhoods. It was spun as we were out there. We definitely had the best ground game And that meant talking to lots of voters especially as soon as we could get off soon. We could talk more about how the race changed you know as a result of the pandemic but as we were talking to voters you could really that one government to shows up for me and i want to work there. Anything surprised by the results who seen so far for example. Reprise how well you did manhattan. you know. I mean that that jumped out of me that you did as well as dated in that borough so far from what we know we feel really proud of the coalition. We have and it really is all across the city. I know we're leading in some decent harlem Which felt really great in this broad coalition that building so not only the more some more conventional progressive coalition. but a really broad set of territory But i think comes from what i was saying. We just like we. We worked hard. We really did have an amazing team. I feel people say that all the time. I disabled so blast in the staff team in the volunteers and supporters on the community groups that we partnered with a lot of great grassroots political organizations. Now campaigned a lot with village. Independent democrats in greenwich village in four freedoms on the upper east side and else kitchen dems and coda on the lower east side and those really are folks who are out in their neighborhoods talking to people not just about elections but about issues as well So we we were optimistic guy you know. We could feel the momentum building this race and didn't get a ton of coverage you covered it but a lot of Didn't get a lot of coverage but w- when you're out on the streets talking to people you can feel momentum building as only did feel that in in neighborhoods we did well and and obviously there's you mentioned a few of your most high profile endorsers on the radio show host which turned into this podcast as well yesterday. Tara than your times editorial board which endorsed you between the folks you mentioned plus many others were more local and maybe sell celebrity names but but people know locally as obviously a lot of other supporters as well but In again in an election where people are paying less attention. How big do you think the times editorial board was for you you john. There's no doubt A lot of people Aren't you know didn't spend a ton of time focusing on the controllers race and so far many of them. The times was a very good ballot. Ater of who's gonna work the hardest and most effective in doing the job especially for an office like this. Which is that's what it's about like it was going to get in there every day off at those agencies in demand performance and be thoughtful about our resources in how they're invested And you know. I don't know how much people know at the time. Showed a lot of what they did. In the mayor's race. I think they did a nice job of being a little more transparent in their decision. Making by putting out all the interviews and talking about their deliberations You know they didn't do quite as much of that in the controllers race but they were very deliberative. That was a you know they really dug in. You know in the interview latte talking to lots of people to try to communicate. Here's who we think is hard got a track record of the doing the kinds of things. The job does and again for me. That was a really important balance. There's no doubt that those big Progressive endorsements turned a lot of heads. You know that the ad that i had that had a oh and senator warren johnny williams and jerry nadler. It caught people's attention in a crowded. Tv cycle you know there were so many ads on but many people came up to me. And said i saw your ad or would come up and say i'm with brad or something that indicated that they had seen those ads but then a lot of people did say that was really balanced for them with reading the times editorial which went down into the details. Like here's not just someone who shares your values. Here's someone who takes the work seriously and is gonna dig in. I wanna come back to that values point in a minute but You know so much where we're at right now when we're talking and obviously We'll we'll talk with you more down down the road Whether you hold onto this league or not but But so much of what we're talking about now is sort of the mechanics of the election so i wanna kind of stick with that. A little bit Well over seven hundred. Thirty thousand votes tallied in this election in the city controller democratic primary You've got it close to two hundred thirty thousand of those. I'm looking at the board of elections numbers on this. So maybe there's some slightly different numbers That's that have been reported elsewhere. But i'm going by the by the city board of elections here so seven hundred. Thirty thousand plus votes tallied in this race. You've got about two hundred thirty thousand of them talk about holding onto the lead. You have of Sixty five thousand or so over cory johnson at the moment in second place and the universe of absentee ballots that are out there and the ranked choice instant runoff just in terms of the nuts and bolts of how this vote will unfold. How confident do you feel. What's your understanding of the absentees. The universe that's out there. Any good campaign has sort of a sense of that How are you thinking about the mechanics of how this will unfold on the votes. That are out there. Yeah i'm in. Thank you for giving people a lot of coverage on this. Oh for folks. Who don't know all the numbers that ben gave so far are in person voting from both early voting on election day. That's all we have so far and right now just the first place votes. You know you rank someone. I that's that's where we are Next week two things are gonna happen on tuesday. The board of elections will release their ranked. Choice tabulations where. They'll run the rounds of what happened in as in the comptroller race. No one has a majority of first place votes. They started eliminating the last place. Finisher in terms of those first votes round by round and redistribute their ballots. So you see who ultimately till you get down to the final two candidates and one of them will have a majority of the votes and that that should we think all come out on tuesday basically for all the races and all at what. It's not like the run around the die making tabulate them all and so we'll see And it'll be a very unofficial for everybody that it'll be because that will not include the absentees so it's like exactly so learn some things but nowhere near official yes that's correct so the other thing that happens actually starting monday. They're going to start counting. The absentee ballots. And i haven't looked at the numbers today. But they're up above one hundred thousand in absentee ballots. And you know. I think there were two hundred thousand requested. Twenty went out and about one hundred five thousand back in as the last update from the board of elections and we suspect you can get your balloting anytime. Chill tuesday of next week week after you have to have mailed it on election day but you know sometimes the male is slow so that number will come up a little. It won't go up to that to twenty but you know maybe one twenty five. We'll see what it what it's at And then that all has to get factored in And it'll change some things hundred and twenty five thousand against seven hundred thirty thousand in place votes. It's not you know it's not closed. It's a lot lower percentage than last year. When many people voted absentee in it really did and also last year there was a real difference in democrats versus republicans in the absence of ballot so swans races right andrew. Bernardus was you know losing in the in person and then won pretty decisively. Few other things like that. We don't see that happening here. There's no reason to believe. The absentee ballots are going to have a decidedly decisively. Different impact so to make up a difference of sixty five thousand votes out of one hundred twenty. Five thousand votes is pretty unlikely But we have to see what the number is after the ranked choice tabulations or run on tuesday. We feel as i really believe in rank juries voting. I wanna see those absentee wanna see the tabulations. I don't wanna say anything declarative until then but we feel in a very strong position. We have a really broad coalition. May got a nice lead winning in manhattan in brooklyn and in queens menam optimistic. That arranged appellations And the absentee ballots will. Will you know that our legal couple couple. Things somewhat to play devil's advocate here. Tell me your responses to these one A lot of your voters may be younger. Voters in some parts of the city. Less likely to send an absentees. Maybe maybe the older voters are skewing Against you In the absentees at least at least somewhat that's one and then in the ranked choice much more much more focused on this. Because i do agree the absentees. There's not a lot of reason to think there'll be that different than the in person in this in this race. But i'm ranked choice. You're running The furthest left campaign as you got at in this in this control. The primary our our our cv is often meant to sort of get a consensus among the electorate. Are you concerned at all that. Because you're sort of furthest to the left in this primary that you might not be the number two on a lot of ballots or even the number three on a lot of ballots. We we feel pretty confident. On the absentees we had an absentee operation you know we didn't take it for granted. You're able to find out who requested absentee ballots. We reached out to those voters and shared our information. I'm in some ways. I'm more sure that absentee ballot request. Moore's heard from us than i am about the broader electric now. They may have heard from the other campaigns as well but we did not. We did not neglect them. And and there's plenty of absentee ballot voters in the in the geographies where we did roll. Well right manhattan. you did. You did very well manhattan manhattan. Probably high absentees but yeah yes exactly And then you know i. The third place. Finisher with the most the most votes in the race after after korea ms michelle russo cabrera. We actually over performed with latino voters. I had a great set of supporters nydia velazquez rivera johnny reno so Alexandria ocasio cortez and make the road action doing a lot of grassroots work. So i feel good about where we are with latino voters. Kevin parker is a brooklyn guy. We overlap in some geography. So i am. I think it's likely second. Or third on on kevin's ballots. And it's going to really interesting to process the ranked choice results And to figure out a little more sometimes things will be straightforward. You know somebody is Voting identity or voting clear ideology I don't think that's always true and again the times endorsement. And there's a lot of endorser a lot of voters who would want someone who they believe was going to really work hard. So i'm hoping i again. We'll see i. I don't wanna get ahead of ourselves. You know in just wondering if that's a concern it all in terms of when the rankings clout. I mean there's obviously a very strong chance that even on a lotta cory johnson ballots. You're the number two you know in part because people had a perception from limited ohlinger whatever that there are three top candidates said yes. Yeah i mean those. Don't help you. Don't you're not helped by this. Being your second with you know your this mean a lot of people said that point you know some people did say to me. I ranked us back. And i was like okay. Well after whom gory is like great. That really helps me if they re. I respect their vote. But that won't help me legs. Good point i'm i'm sort of thinking of it could be anybody but it can't really be anybody in the final two it can really just be inquiry in may be michelle caruso cabrera. Yeah i feel really optimistic here. I wanna see the results that I do think the way we ran this race. Wildly progressive also really spoke to just the meaningful concerns if people in their communities that you know what people are not mostly concerned about progressive or moderate. People are concerned about housing in jobs and schools in coming out of the pandemic and safety and we spoke to people across all those issues in said. Here's how will use the tools of the office to do meaningful things for you. So i feel good about where we are on the ranked choice ballots a lot of talk about how well eric adams did in the mayoral race again unofficial. We have you know. There's a lot to be said. Here with. Absentees ranked choice in that race as well But that eric adams so well. That catherine garcia did well. Obviously my wylie's in there too but that there is sort of this yearning for more moderate Candidates who are really focused on a public safety Your success in the controller race obviously cuts against that narrative. A little bit. What do you make about sort of the the larger city political picture here And the discussion. That's happening we're going to need to keep you know. I think the we allowed to say this is such an interesting time and an important time for the city. Still coming out of the pandemic We're all in a different place than we're used to being And i think things are shifting. Obviously the public safety narrative has shifted a lot over the last year and even thinking of people's thinking about the pandemic and what's important. How much focus on school reopening just on public public health protections itself. It's a you know. It's a very shifting ground time All that said. I just don't see that much contradiction. People wanna live in safe communities the one housing to be more affordable. They wanted economy. That's growing with good jobs. They want good schools for their kids. They know government needs to deliver on a lot of those things that they can't do them on their own. I think new yorkers are open for the most part to more ambitious government and they also are in some cases. Skeptical about whether government can really deliver what it's promising. What about so so. I don't know i your unabashedly. Let's move resources away from the nypd more into communities in social services and You know Programs that are not run by the police department So here's land. That conversation with people in ways that i thought was really the worked. Which was you know. i'm. I'm ride the subway a lot these days plenty of times. You see some on the subway. Who's not doing well who appears to be on than mentally ill And that you know people in the train are might be anxious about. And i understand why. Somebody's first instinct would be. Let's send in more cops to deal with that but if you say to that person what's going to happen if a cop comes and pulls that person off the tray like maybe they'll be off the train car but if we don't get them unaffordable supportive place to live in good mental health care than they're going to be back in the train tomorrow You know that. Fortunately we're not following the guiliani strategy of sending that prison to rikers for being homeless. We'd better not go back to doing that. Violation of their constitutional rights. But they'll also still be out pretty quickly so if you actually want to solve that problem than you need to figure out how to get that person into supportive housing or into the shelter system in a way that would actually be helpful to them and they would. They would want to stay in it. They saw how they were moving toward permanent housing and get them good mental health care. And i don't believe there's a way to do that. That's like forcible. In the way that enter yang was talking about like that is again both a constitutional violation. But it just doesn't work so if you're going to solve that problem then you're going to have to spend resources on good street outreach. Good riddance subway outrage good mental health care access and supportive housing. And i don't see any way around that and that's not only like progressive values that's focused on results and effective in spending your money in the long term so yes that's an example than cops into the subways. I would like to spend more money on emergency. Supportive housing mental health care But you could have a thoughtful conversation about that. That's not like what button are you wearing But that's about how to move the city forward. And i like being out on the streets in conversation with people because people will definitely come up to me. I hear you for de-fund do you know. And i don't like that and then if you can have this conversation at least we could talk about it and they might agree disagree but we would be talking about how to move the city forward and that's the some people and you know we've had some of these exchanges during the campaign so we need to relitigate all them right now. I know you need to go soon. So just a couple of last questions but you know some people look at your platform your politics and say okay. Far left progressive in the controller office. How do we know. Brad lander as controller again. We have to see how the final votes come but won't just be okay. Spend spend spend spend spend. Let's push for raising more taxes. Let's spend more money and You know we want programs to work but it you know there hasn't been you know there's not a program that's not ok to throw more money at and and that's not that's not a great Philosophy to have in the controller office. Sure i don. I really like having conversations with people who agree and disagree with me and i like doing that with you and i like doing that with people in new york is a great thing about running for office. I know everyone says this but it really is true. If you love politics if you love public service talking to people about what they think and listening when you agree in when you disagree is great and it's a fun part about campaigning. So i to having that conversation if people wanna like still go look at the website atlanta for nyc dot com we up at enormous amount of content about how to balance the responsibilities of the controller's office with the issues. That we think new yorkers caridad and the issues that are important so there's this question of like what's the controller really got to do with housing are with the climate change or with a good jobs and workplace protections and we gave just a lot of really concrete information on ways of using the tools of the office responsibly to advance goals and again i think the time endorsement release speaks to that on fiscal responsibility. Specifically we put a lot of ideas for how to save money Some of those might get characterized as progressive. Like i've long been fighting to end the four twenty a tax break program which is one point seven billion dollars that we just have. No one can tell me why we're doing that way. We've had that program for decades. I've been trying to change it for fifteen years. Like it's not fiscally prudent to have the twenty one eight program. It like establishment did exists real estate developers like it. But it's not physically prudent and so sometimes you know being honest is You know. And then. But i've also talked about building on the attrition program that was developed during the pandemic. I think we should keep a more focused attrition program that asks commissioners to identify areas of their agencies that they think might actually sent make sense to phase out overtime so we could focus on new areas because he has. I want to spend more on supportive housing mental health outreach. And i'm excited about three k. In childcare expansion but we have to be responsible. You can't just let headcount grow and grow and grow with you if you aren't paying attention to how your ord vein so So that means you have to be moving away from things that you don't still need. I did not get the endorsement of most of the public sector unions. While i support people for sure. I think it is appropriate to pay attention to head count And to control long-term spending A nasa job for the controller. And i not. I think it's progressive to be responsible with government if government can't deliver what it's promising because it spending too much on other things or is over leveraged. Then you can't make it work. So i really think those things go together and that's the vision half of the chores office you In the last debate you were among those who said you wouldn't I think the question was ever run for mayor. Are you ready to walk. That back yet. now that you've got i mean this is that was seems i mean both you. I think end corey said that it just seemed totally bizarre to me That that anybody would really agree to that other than maybe david weapon. Who who's not really ever wanna be mayor I mean i. I wanna wait and see what. The rangers tabulated are a tuesday at the opposite that he ballots playing out. But i do mean it you know. I signed david's plan. He put it out. I'm excited about the controller's office. This is a really important time. That is what. I am focused on. You know the kinds of lightning round. We can have another conversation some time about debate lightning round with us. Yeah we've ones you'll learn interesting things from and which ones might oughta be retired but but i stick by that answer all right and lastly a last minute here This was you know you and cory. Johnson were obviously the top two vote-getters so far i it became fairly contentious campaign between the two of you. You have to figure out this final city budget in the next Few days But in terms of that relationship. Can you try to repair it. Is that something. you're working on. Are you trying to make sure that Your constituents are taking care of you know in this budget and not hurt because of some of the things that you said about a cory. Johnson during the campaign. I think for all of us. It's tricky. we're not yet on. The other side of the election is over. We're in the middle of the counting but on the other side of elections and even as counting is taking place. It is all of our jobs to get past our political differences and to show up for people right like it's not a horse race with a metal at the end. It's a job of trying to help. New yorkers with the things that matter most to them and that that has to motivate us all regardless of democrat or republican where you stand in a race so yes absolutely. I mean. I'm going to show up to the budget process. As a city council member cory is the speaker and we have to have a process of of landing of budget and voting on a budget And then all the rest of this year you know. Until december thirty first having june primary instead of september primary means a long period of time after the elections and we have the obligation. It's i really think it's a sacred to show up every day and try to do our jobs for our constituents and i certainly go very committed to that all right. Well we'll we'll leave it there. you didn't endorsed the mayor's race but now that the voting's all over who you ranked number one all right. I'm still devote. It's all over but the counting in this case is still not all over the sanctity of my vote in the in the voting power. Brad lander will talk with you more down the road. We see this vote on full but thanks for taking some of the tax so to talk with you as always been. Thank you for covering this election cycle so deeply. My pleasure thank you.

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Episode 268 Brad Lander On His Run For New York City Comptroller

Max & Murphy on Politics

24:56 min | 5 months ago

Episode 268 Brad Lander On His Run For New York City Comptroller

"Deep trust to keep watch over the city's billions. I'm jared murphy from city limits dot org my broadcast brother. Ben max is off tonight from gotham gazette dot com. But now let's hear from another democrat in the race. Very pleased to be joined by brooklyn city council member. Brad lander lander welcome back to maximum. Murphy thanks so much jared. It's great to be with you tonight. On this very momentous day yes very momentous for a lot of reasons not just because brad landers on maximum murphy. There's something else happening in washington to. I've heard so i hear and i'm sure grateful The leaders do have the stand up to this insurrection and demand accountability including some of our great new members of congress like jamaal bowman and ritchie torres. Ended up today and doing the right thing. So you have represented your district your brooklyn district and the council since two thousand nine year. The deputy leader for policy. You're the co founder of the council progressive caucus You've been a a major player in the past few years and on your website for this year's race you have a tab that says why comptroller so address that forest. Why the office to make sense for you. And why are you the guy that makes sense for it. Thanks really. Appreciate the opportunity to talk to you about it and you know. There's a lot of folks who aren't sure what the controller's office is or does But it's such a critical office at a moment like this when the city is facing such a big fiscal an economic challenge. Obviously for the next few months priority one has to be getting a handle on the pandemic distributing the vaccine saving lives and bringing immediate relief to families who are waiting in line for food and small businesses. Who can't pay the rent. But when new leaders come into office next year will be tasked with figuring out how to rebuild our economy and get our city moving forward again. And you know we've seen crises like these in the past out of the nineteen seventies and after nine eleven City leaders really made the choice to give the city over to business elites and hope the real estate development would bring our city back and some jobs created but a much more unequal city resulted. That made it so hard for people to live in But our history has better lessons to out of the great depression and again after world war. Two's city leaders invested in the subways in cuny in mitchell lama housing and those investments build a platform for shared economic growth. That served our city really well for decades and i believe we can do that again. Now by investing in the climate resiliency we're going to need For our future by investing in a new round of social housing programs like mitchell lama and to make all of that work we've got to make government work better And that's why. I'm running for control. The control is really the about seeing economic future. Seeing the long-term risks we face and then demanding the government work better to deliver on the promises it makes because You know government can't deliver on any of that when city agencies are run poorly when corruption runs rampant twin. There's mismanagement and that's what you turn to the controller for the city's chief fiscal officer amnesties chief accountability officer and this is really urgent time for both those tasks. The sort of underlying skeleton of the city the financial strength of the city or weakness. You know when you look at how. The budget has grown in recent years We look at decisions about how much debt the city's taken on. Do you feel like the The basics the fundamentals of the city's finances are very strong. They problematic other steps. That should have been taking the past few years to shore them up for emergencies. Like the one we're facing. What are the kind of guts of the city's finances look like to you absolutely and obviously when you face the pandemic like the one that's hitting us you know. Every city and state around the country are getting really devastated That's why the winds in georgia last week or so important because we've got to start with the federal aid that our city deserves but yes. We didn't do things we should have done. In recent years We did not create a rainy day. Fund coming out of the last fiscal crisis and we knew we should have. I'm proud to be a sponsor at the city level of legislation that will stand up that rainy day fund so we can save money For the future something that we should have done. So we had a bigger cushion to fall back on You know and i think we could have been started already making more smart long term investments. You know we're behind. On some of the climate resiliency and infrastructure investments. Our infrastructure is increasingly. Creaky as people can see in our subways on our streets And do that's going to have to be a stronger. Focus in the years ahead. Not only on the hard choices around the operating budget and how much we can afford to spend in a city where we have to cover all of our expenses with our revenues but how we really focused on the long term infrastructure investments that are sitting needs as a platform for growth And especially as we're facing the climate crisis. Do you think the rules. The game have changed as a result of cove it. I think that's the topic. A lot of people have discussed over the past year. You know for many years. We've counted in the city for better or worse having a growing population for many decades. Obviously the city's economies and built partly around people from areas outside the city coming to offices here to work and spend money and all the activity generated by that. Do you think any of those fundamentals was the covid crisis has passed will be changed forever. Ob dealing with kind of a different landscape than we did. Before i guess. I think about it a little differently to me. It's what choices can we make to put the city in the strongest position to have the most durable just and sustainable future. I think if just look backwards and say you know. Will we have the big banks or you know the folks that line midtown before And pine away for them. You know you'll miss you know you'll lose what happened in the past. That's changing leaning into the future. That's coming so. I think it's worth looking. At what the places we hope for growth are. I'm really glad that that new cornell tech campus has opened on governor on roosevelt island That's gonna try to help create a great new platform for jobs. Fill-up the brooklyn navy yard with the next round of sustainable innovation and You know the kinds of companies we need for the future You know. I hope broadway comes back big and strong but this new forms of art and creation and creativity and of course we want new york city to be the place that is building on that that is a place of vibrant creativity. But we need to do it. In a way that shares that prosperity and those benefits better than we have done in the past the post fiscal crisis and post nine eleven. Recovery's lean too much on wall street And as a result a gaping and widening inequality left too many people behind so Can t rebuilding that. Strong safety net Building a more equal economy and leaning in to a future where new york is still a vibrant hub and can be even more because more people have an opportunity to participate in that economy but whatever that is whether that's you know kind of climate investments and rooftop solar and the green new deal whether that's the next round of creative production an arts and culture and music Or whether those are just the small businesses that fill up our neighborhoods with the culture and food and energy and services that come from people all over the world. that's the city we want and and we can have it if we invest in it and build it together in smart ways. Do you think that the fear that a wealthy new yorkers who pay a significant share the city in the state's tax revenue the david depart Is gonna worry about. I mean that that model that we have come to us of of for good reason. Taxing the wealthy to pay for a fairly extensive set of services in the city It obviously hinges on on the wealthy being here is there. Is there a danger. That that model will have to be rethought. I think there's a bigger danger on the other side. If we starve our city of the investments that it needs if you let the subway get run down if you don't keep our public schools good and cuny as a place of vibrant Energy that people have an opportunity to get that higher education and produce something that nobody would have seen before. You're going to guarantee a shrinking city. Like i think you know. That's what sturdy choices do is put you on a pass to shrinkage and what we need to do is be on a path for shared growth and yes that involves some shared sacrifice. He can't have an economy as unequal as it has been. That's going to be an equal platform for lots of people to thrive. And i guess what i would say is i believe. The vast majority of new yorkers including the vast majority of wealthy new yorkers wanna be in a city where everybody has a good strong social safety net. And everybody's got an opportunity to really create and contribute. And i think by leaning in with that model we have a much better chance of getting a vibrant future and i think if we go instead with an austerity approach because we're afraid of a few people leaving the city what will wind up with is a crumbling subway and public schools. That people aren't sure they want to send their kids to to me we've got a much more vibrant opportunity in the years ahead I think if you build a city that's resilient for the climate future it's investing in public education that's got enough affordable housing You'll have an awful lot of people who want to live here so as you have begun. This is for comptroller. You've set out some policy ideas in a few different areas and one of them. Is i think you mentioned this already. Change what do you think as control. Your role would be Advancing that is which obviously on the council you and your colleagues have have done significant work Where you the comptroller can take that next ye. Comptrollers got a a really unique role that i think is especially important in confronting the climate crisis. One job of the controller is to take the long-term view on the city and speak about and help us get ready to confront the risks. We take and you don't need to be a genius to know the biggest long term risk that we face right now is the climate crisis and therefore the controller's office has a unique set a tool so the controllers the fiduciary for the pension funds And with that role how complete the responsible divestment from oil and gas corporations Join strategic alliances with shareholders around the country to compel both climate action by banks and utilities and tech companies and help address financing gaps for clean energy The controllers the city's chief fiscal officer. And that means conducting a real analysis of what are those financial risk that the climate crisis poses. And how could we do better now to adjust our contracting spending infrastructure to mitigate climate risk. So we actually save money in the long run And finally the controller is the city's chief accountability officer actually the biggest agents. The biggest unit of the controller's office says the audit bureau And i would establish a new dedicated audit team to focus specifically on agency sustainability environmental justice in our agencies and hold those city agencies and private sector actors accountable to some of the bishops clean energy targets. We sat and make sure that we're also on track to make the investments in costa resilience and climate readiness so on all three of those roles Around the pension funds as she fiscal officer and through the audits The control has got a really important role to play in helping new york city. Get on a pass to climate resilience and green new deal and as comptroller. I'll help the way you mentioned. I've estimate and that's a really interesting Tool that pension funds all over can use the control. Obviously he's been active in talk. My investment in new york city and you mentioned fossil fuels that of the city has committed to developing from in the past. There have been movements and and i think some action on firearms tobacco and obviously in earlier days south africa and i think originally iran sh- divestment obviously is is an issue that we're the controller is exercising a few different Authorities in a few different perspectives and priorities. On one hand. You know the morality in politics of the situation is on the other looking at a fiduciary responsibility to let the pension funds grow and somewhere in between is managing that risk that you talked about. How would you evaluate you know. You never know what's gonna come down the pipe you controller in another industry becomes targeted for death spent. How would you balance those. How will you evaluate what. What is something that is worth investing from versus some other form of shareholder activism. It's a great question. And a really important and i think the one of the words you said is the place to start and that's that the controllers role is as the do -ciary and the way i understand that is you remember whose money is the money in the pension funds doesn't belong to the controller doesn't even belong to the city of new york if belongs to the retirees and the public sector workers who will be retiring And it's the choice of them and their trustees about how to invest it and one critical goal is making sure they absolutely have the retirement security which they've been promised and to which they are entitled but it's also their money in the sense that their values should be reflected in their portfolio. Just like you know anybody's Investments are and. That's a decision that has to be made together and thoughtfully and in partnership. So i'd like to do is establish a process to do every couple of years a strategic plan for responsible investing that puts all the things you just said on the table here the hurdle rates. We've got a hit Here's the economic climate we're in. Here's our risk tolerance and here's how we're looking at a range of the kinds of values and choices. We want a future for the city that has ravaged by rising season rising temperatures. And so we believe it's appropriate to have that value in mind as we're doing our investing We wanna look at a range of other factors as well and it's not only divesting. You can bring a proxy resolutions and take shareholder activism to put pressure on companies. You invest in To make sure their boards are more reflective of people in the country including their workers And you wanna look at how you're balancing your portfolio across a range of investments and there's some places where you can help fill credit gaps in portable housing and clean energy and local job creation and credit access. And if you do a strategic plan for responsible investing then you can give to your money managers to that chief. Investment officer all higher and their team. ah proactive plan. And they can build a portfolio that over the long term cheese risk adjusted market returns. Lyle meeting the goals that have been set down collectively That's a lot better than having them have made a bunch of investments and every so often kind of tapping them on the shoulder. Saying we've got a new thing we want you to do And we haven't done it proactively in that way before And that's all. I'd like to handle it element of your platform. This interesting is speaking about how to make the economy more inclusive as discussion of social ownership Talk about that idea and then also talk about you. Know one of the questions that always comes up when a comptroller candidate has great ideas is how does how does want to use the tools of that particular office to to foster that kind of economic model. Definitely so i'm mitch llamas. Before as one of the things that city leaders invested in coming out of world war. Two and you know there were about one hundred and fifty thousand mitchell bombing. Units builds about half were the traditional way we sometimes think about affordable housing rental housing built by private developers with private owners and the other has were limited equity. Cooperative co ops That people own but when they sell. They can't make a lot of money. You know speculating on the market. They can sell it just someone. That is the same income that they were when they moved in. So you preserve that affordable Ownership opportunity for the long term that second model removed from speculation and can private for profit. Ownership is kind of social housing. And if you look now out of the fifty percent of the units that were rental about half have gone private gun. Market rate are not affordable any more but of co ops ninety three percent are still affordable even though those cooperators could choose many cases to privatize they choose to keep the units of affordable. Because they believe that that's important for themselves their kids their grandkids and the city. As a whole so this idea of social ownership that we have a lot of places that penn styles mitchell lama For economic development at the brooklyn navy yard says Let's have some things that are owned in ways that protect them from speculation And that could be a community land. Trust that could be a nonprofit. That owns a supportive affordable housing development. That could be limited equity cough or that could be something like the brooklyn navy yard that puts the public good. I in achieving that housing affordability in achieving that job creation And you know we have a lot of that housing today. A little over ten percent of our cities market. is some form of social housing. you know here you would include public housing as well as the other forms i mentioned and i really think we should grow it in. Recent decades are affordable. Housing efforts have really Much more been for profit ties where you used to have community development corporations getting a lion share the land money it has increasingly focused giuliani Bloomberg and blasio administration on for profit developers. And then you're always after worry. Is that unique and opt out of affordability. Instead of having it in that kind of model that mitchell lama a co-op that really provides permanent affordability And functions base for a broader set of people to thrive and succeed. You can't do that with everything but we've got an awful lot of models Where that works. And i think this would be a good moment to to lean into doing more of it so i need to ask you about a nickname when i was growing up. My nickname was jarrett. The parrot i think it was because it rhymed and also because i was something of a teacher's pet the nickname that is occasionally used for you on social media and also wariness not particularly friendly. Is brad pander. Tell me why you think people call you that. And what do they not understand about your vision and what you've tried to do That leads them to think that. It's pander well that's a. that's a good question. i wonder about it sometimes myself. I'll tell you one of the unusual things people don't know about me is in pre kobe. Times i do. kickboxing and they're my instructors. Nickname for me is b rad Which i don't expect will catch on. But i'm gonna try to get my trolls to use in the future. I'm i guess. All i'd say is i respect people who disagree with the politics i have. It's a great thing about democracy that people have different set of spots about how we should achieve these goals. And you know. I work with a lot of people who republicans are more conservative. Democrats represent A big ultra-orthodox community. And i've got friends there who really have very very different viewpoint than high do. I don't think that knows me. Honestly things i'm not Speaking from the heart. And saying pretty straightforwardly what i think Not of what. I've said to you here. I really none of what i've done in office. Is you know with some goal of pandering or winning people over you know. I started my career twenty five years ago working at the fifth avenue committee as an affordable housing developer as a community. Or is they're creating jobs working on criminal justice reform And i've been doing pretty much. The same set of work with a lot of the same allies over twenty five years. So i respect people who disagree. I think it really takes the city of diverse perspectives. To make new york. City thrive But i promise that. I say what i believe. Tried to work with people. Honestly approach people In good faith and and try to get the work done together. So last question for cosmic brad lander. If you win this race you will be inaugurated alongside a brand new mayor and that mayor will be facing potentially a very very challenging situation. Talk briefly about the relationship uc the comptroller and the mayor. Having and to what a point extent is it one of partnership When is it all right to criticize. How will you handle that knowing that this mayor is going to face some some tough stuff and that to have a powerful citywide official kind of a adversarial position of could be could be very difficult for that person. How you gonna handle that relationship yeah. That's a smart question. I think you know you're you answered it in the question. It has to be both. We are going to be facing some of the hardest times that the city has seen in any of our lifetimes in generations. And we have to pull together. I mean the sniping between the governor and the mayor new yorkers are sick of it we must have people who pulled together to get through this crisis and we're going to have to be able to set a table in a way which people with different points of view you know from different sectors of the economy with a really different ways of thinking can engage. Honestly we can debate policy but also can support each other in trying to win a future and that's going to be important. Whoever the mayor is but it is also the job of the controller to tell the truth to speak honestly about the city's finances to give a critical perspective to audits that. Shine a spotlight on what needs to be changed And new yorkers need to be able to count on the controller to be independent of the mayor yes to try to work together so we can move the city forward but also to have that honest. Independent boys is going to insist on making government work. Who's gonna really tell the truth And get people involved in doing so And that's the posture. That i will bring to the relationship with the mayor Whoever new yorkers elect to do it well city council member and comptroller. can't brad lander aka b rad. Thank you so much for joining us. It was really great to be with you. Jared thank you so much for the time in questions.

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NPR News: 02-04-2019 6AM ET

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NPR News: 02-04-2019 6AM ET

"NPR podcasts are now. Available on every platform checkout all our shows at NPR dot org slash podcasts. That's NPR dot org slash podcasts. Live from NPR news in Washington, I'm korva Coleman. Virginia lawmakers are continuing to call for democratic governor. Ralph nor them to step down over pictures of racist costumes on his medical school yearbook page, Ben pave your of member station. W C V E reports from Richmond the state's democratic caucus and legislative black caucus are both meeting today. The calls for north to step down only intensified after a Saturday press conference in which the governor denied being in the photo democratic delegate Lamont bag be is head of the Blackhawk as he says they're still pushing for northern to resign. But they're not talking about impeachment outspoken to house coffees been coffees black caucus. None of us have heard that the legislature is in the middle of a short six week session on Republican leader in the house of delegates said on Sunday that the controversy won't have any immediate effect on budget negotiations set to begin this week from PR news. I'm Ben pager in Richmond time is growing short for eight congressional negotiation. Rather negotiators to. To reach agreement on a border security measure, President Trump is still demanding a border wall an issue. Democrats have consistently refused to accept Trump signed a short term government spending Bill that he lapses February fifteenth giving lawmakers three weeks to come up with a solution. But Texas democratic congressman Henry quay are one of the negotiators says the conference committee has to find a solution faster than that the deadline is not February fifteenth if we have to do something our committee probably has to do something by this coming Friday because then you got a printed out. And then you gotta lay out the bills on the house and the Senate. So it's less than February the fifteenth for the committee to come up with something President Trump is expected to discuss his demands for border wall tomorrow night during his state of the union address. Meanwhile, the Pentagon says it will send more than thirty seven hundred US troops to the US Mexico border. They'll string another one hundred fifty miles of concertina wire and offer support customs and border protection agency. It's protests extended throughout the weekend outside of federal jail in New York City over its conditions. NPR Shannon, van Sant reports that the power was finally restored. After prisoner spent a week in extremely cold conditions as a polar vortex and balanced much of the east coast and mate, set a detention center in Brooklyn went without heat and access to computers and phones, New York City council member Brad Lander visited the jail and described the situation on Sunday, really dramatized. It's a week. Now they've been without power with limited. He no contact with their family members much of the time on lockdown. So the folks that I talked to it'd been forty-eight hours since they were able to leave their cell that take a shower essential sane electrical fire a week ago caused the power outage and New York's governor has called for an investigation into conditions at the jail, Shannon. Dan sent NPR news. You're listening to NPR. New England Patriots fans are celebrating their sixth Super Bowl win under forty one year old quarterback Tom Brady, the patriots topped the LA Rams thirteen to three in a low scoring game for member station. W B U R. In Boston Simone, Rios has more a room full of Boston University students celebrates one of the big moments in last night's game. Aniston Miller of New Jersey has long supported the team. And watching the pats win among fellow New England fans now Miller feels vindicated aside of here, we have no one supporting us. So everyone going against us. This is kind of like our big pharma. We win Miller says she hopes to enjoy the pats victory parade tomorrow for NPR news. I'm Simone Rios in Boston. There's more new European nations who have recognized Venezuela's opposition leader one Guido as the country's interim leader Spain says it wants to see the return of democracy in Venezuela. Swedish officials say the election that installed. Nncholas Maduro as Venezuela's president was not free or fair. Why does taken the oath of office and declared himself interim president he has been recognized by the Trump administration. President Trump says US military intervention is under consideration. But he has turned that down. Because quote, the process is playing out. Pope Francis has arrived in the United Arab Emirates to visit its first Roman Catholic papal visit the Arabian peninsula. The crown prince of Abu Dhabi was on hand to greet him. Francis is expected to celebrate a public mass on Tuesday, and may draw over one hundred thousand people to the event this is NPR.

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Episode 107: $250 billion, CBC's Comptroller Candidate Forum

What's The [DATA] Point?

1:35:01 hr | Last month

Episode 107: $250 billion, CBC's Comptroller Candidate Forum

"Two hundred and fifty billion. That's the amount of assets held by the five new york city pension funds for which the new york city controller custodian administrator and investment advisor. That's not the control is only responsibility. Controller also audit city agencies coast supervises the issuance of billions of dollars of debt ensures the integrity of the contracting process settles and pays claims against the city. There's a watchdog who makes recommendations promote new york. City's fiscal help city controller is important. Not only the city's fiscal help but also to governmental integrity and accountability and the broader wellbeing of new york. Here he is new yorkers independent elected official lifts the veil so the public can have the unbiased information with which to hold the city government accountable performing these functions. Well allows new yorkers to determine if their money is being used wisely and having a real positive impact on their lives in new york as a whole and now york city is at a critical juncture surtee but also time a brain possibility and a strong controller is especially crucial. Consider that the current mayor just propose. An executive budget proposes a plan to us fifteen billion dollars in additional federally billions more interested in tax revenue but still leaves gaps at nearly five billion dollars each fiscal year. Two thousand twenty three twenty four and twenty five. So here we are. It's election season primaries. Just around the corner. June twenty seconds early voting starts and five and a half weeks on june twelfth. We sat down last evening with six people. Want to be new. York city's next control each spent thirteen minutes telling us how they would use the power of the office. Benefit new york city new yorkers themselves. Welcome to the data point for season. Budget commission gazette. I'm ben match from god because that derived from the cbc and as andrew said cbc had a really interesting forum with six candidates for city controller running in the democratic primary. That's fast approaching. June very interesting events Similar to what andrew. Cbc did with mayoral candidates a little while back and we chatted a bit for podcast episode with just a brief introduction from us. And then you'll hear from the candidates momentarily This six candidates who you'll hear from our brooklyn city council member. Brad lander military veteran entrepreneurs ac schal manhattan state. Senator o'brien benjamin financial journalist. Michelle caruso cabrera city council speaker cory johnson and queens assembly member. David weapon though. Six candidates appeared for a little bit with andrew. Each time peppered with questions For a chance to talk about their resumes their visions for being the next city controller. And even a few or at least one fun little item at the end about their favorite music or food and such. You'll hear from other candidates in just a few minutes but andrew. What were you hoping to get out of this forum. Cvc bringing together these six leading candidates for the democratic nomination for city controller. Which of course is the very likely sin wins that primary to be the next controller and given the city's very heavy democratic tilt will. We hoping to get out of this. We wanted to hear about i. How they envision what the role of the controller is and what the priorities are but really trying to focus on how they would use the powers of the office to achieve those priorities. The controller is not necessarily the public things of as the sexiest job in city government on but it has incredible power and s- incredibly important but often in election season including this one. You know there's a lot more talk about the policy goals in the problems facing the city than the prescriptions of fixing it and even to the extent those prescriptions are discussed. It's often discussed almost as an executive function. Well we should cut the budget. We should do this for the economy. We should help. Small business when the controller doesn't necessarily all the six so what we tried to do is drill down into some specific proposals. We did hear about you. Know publicly monitoring the use of federal. As i mentioned in the opening fifteen billion dollars federally. We heard some various pension investment management strategies. You know many. The many candidates want to invest in affordable housing or economically targeted investments in new york. But but quite frankly you know the biggest impact is if you get good returns. You don't have to spend as much from city budget. You can spend more on programs so we heard a little about that. We heard about a database integrating audits claims and settlements in trying to use the various functions controller. Together to have maybe some big The whole beat greater than the sum of its parts and we heard about an interesting idea about controller borough of others a five boroughs trawler so we did hear some specifics. You know i mean it strikes me covering this election. I ventured. I've interview these candidates and some others who who will be on the ballot listening to your forum. There's a real interesting diversity of candidates. Here they have different resumes. They have different visions for the office. You know the the responsibilities of the office are fairly prescribed so they can't really stray too much from those core responsibilities but they do have different priorities. Within those responsibilities they had different visions for how they execute some of those responsibilities. And so you know. I mean again it was it was fascinating to hear their different approaches in their different answers to some of your questions including about you know. Pension management strategies You know there's obviously a lot. The controller can do in terms of auditing city agencies and oversight of the budget. You know before we get into sort of any more takeaways of what you heard you know. I think one of the things. I've been thinking about a law officer. If if someone's really doing this job well right. This gets to your point about the really executing the functions of this office you know. Someone's doing being a really strong york city controller. What is that actually. Look like you know and you know to me every said some of it but it's you know it's this idea of being a really strong check on city budgeting you don't get to negotiate the budget the mayor and the city council but you get to really influence it through analysis through the bully pulpit Again through reports in audits. That's one of the most important functions of the office. You know as far as i'm concerned but what about for you when you think of someone really doing this job. Well what do you think about. I think you're exactly right in terms of that believable bit and using that washed off function but then using those audit functions to identify where there's waste fraud and abuse but also every controller wants to do more programmatic audits and think about policy. You can do that using audit function using your government your fiscal watchdog function. Bring those together. I mean the current controller has a agency watchlist where he has identified the fact that you know Detained individuals you know those those at rikers that oscillations declined. But the spending has declined. And back the you know there are more guards and the perks Her prisoner cost is has has doubled an homeless services. You know spending homeless services as as you know gone over three billion dollars yet. We don't seem to be making a dent in the problem in. It's got worse. Of course the the question for controllers. Tenure go even further than pointing out the problems and identifying specific solutions. And i so. I think it's potentially powerful. I will say every controller many controllers. Want to run for another office. Actually that's a given and political life. Historically it's been generally the practice that with those ambitions for most of their job controllers focus on being a good controller and really heartening and. I hope that happens in the future. Now it's interesting it well can help. You can help you run for mayor. If that's what you wanna do you have to not overly politicize the office and we've seen some questions around that in the past but if you do the job well then yeah it can help you just like any job. I mean that's that's some of our our current candidates of course our our current officeholders who think the work they've done in their current offices helping them make their pitch for this higher office. Yes i mean it's interesting We'll see if politics the politics of new york always of album wearing a certain era of progressive expansive government politics whether it be a federal or you know at local level here we have to you know to city council members running proper aggressive so we have to stay off his holder to outsiders. Outsiders were not not surprisingly a little more aggressive last night. Talking about you know the problems of the public sector you know with the state officeholders in the middle and then the end the progressives who worked on these budgets in the last few years the economy's been growing more on the on side of of pushing angle forward to be interesting to see how someone words with the next mayor or is a counterweight to the next mayor. Depending where the politics are the day and how they used the functions of the office. And you know you got something really important earlier which is if the next controller can use better strategies better management to increase the returns on the the pension funds of course working with the you know the boards and the other powers that be on those funds is not a. You know an autonomous thing that can that can save billions of dollars from the city's operating budget every year which the cbc crowd of course knows well but a lot of people you know throughout the public don asleep. Don't necessarily know that and it's it's a really key function and then there's also obviously the problems with the city's contracting processes payments. All these issues around you know contract with human services nonprofits and others. Whether it's it's holding up you know those nonprofits in certain ways and causing problems or it's over contracting with you know other entities that we should be taking a much closer look at data in some of the candidates are talking about that so there's a lot on the contracting front. That could be looked at. But you know one of the interesting themes of this of this discussion and of course any election for controllers this question sort of coup is saying the things that appeal to you about running the office well in executing its powers and then also sort of who do you trust to really follow through on that and you know controllers put out these audits reports all the time with the recommendations that you're talking about but are those just sort of pieces of paper that are one press conference and then they kinda vanished or can the next controller. You know. use the bully. Pulpit used political skills used coalition building to to further. You know some of those improvements to city government that are sometimes identified in those in those fans and sometimes it's a quiet game. It's the most effective and that doesn't help you for higher office but i've talked to former controllers and frankly i've you know chief operating officer city agency and there's a question of for the audit comes out when the controller comes to the commissioner and says you know this is going to look bad if you start working on this now you're gonna look a lot better i'm gonna give you the heads up and then after the controller does follow up audits you know. Are these just relegated to technical staff to say. Did you fix the six widgets that we identified war do raise the heat on that and and make that part of a more core activity and a public activity of control. And there's there's a lot the controller can do because sometimes the work of improvement in government is nose to the grindstone. you know. Maybe it's not the most sexy and fund but what you can do to provide quality services and save the money. Join all right. Well let's let the people hear from the candidates You did just similar to. As i said with the some of the mayoral candidates you had in a little while back. You had the controller candidates that you invited in to chat with you one at a time for quick but very substantive in detail conversation. So let's let let's let folks go to. I will mention You know you had your criteria for inviting these six leading candidates. There are a few other folks that will be on the ballot including racial patel. Terry lifting and state senator kevin parker and a couple others still were even lower profile than those folks. So there's there's a bevy of choices here. In the democratic primary folks would be voting june. But here's here's andrew conversations with the six leading candidates that cbc invited welcome. Thanks for being here. thanks so much. Andrew a longtime regular listener to which the data point and really excited to dig into the details today with all we look forward to delving into how you use the powers of the office to serve the people of new york. I ask a general question for three minutes. Then we'll have eight minutes to do a little. Qna and then two minute very exciting lightning round will hear a little beep to keep us move into the next segment. That's okay the dive in sounds great. Absolutely fantastic so could you please succinctly describe the role of controller your top three priorities and how we use the powers of the office to achieve absolutely. Thank you again for the invitation. So the job of the controller is to take the long-term view on the city to make sure we're spending wisely that we invest in ways that stimulate recovery to hold the city accountable to our shared goals and to prepare better for future crises. The city is set to receive six billion dollars in direct federal aid nearly seven billion more for our public schools and over one billion more through one hundred percent. Fema reimbursement and together with hiring attrition. That means our budget is balanced for the coming fiscal year. But as you pointed out the gaps four billion dollars remain after that were like. Five billion of the labor savings aren't realized so we need to make sure that this one time influx of funds is used smartly while not creating recurring obligations. We can't afford. That's why i wrote an op. Ed in the daily news this week to establish american rescue plans spending tracker similar to the sandy recovery tracker the bloomberg administration set up to provide clear goals tracks spending and measure progress. And i'll be introducing a bill in the coming days to make that happen Three priorities wanna highlight here. Are i as. I've said serving a budget watchdog to ensure thoughtful spending of that. Aarp money to reopen our schools and businesses safely to build a platform for better shared economic growth in ways that make good use of one time funding. But don't create new longer term obligations that we can't afford down the road second this initial. I'm proud to have done a lot of work on with the c. b. c. is to reform capital projects management to save money and prepare for the future through better investment using the capital projects database. That's mandated by legislation passed last year. It'll be a watchdog on our infrastructure projects bringing transparency to eight to ten billion dollars in capital spending every year right now more than half of that is over budget or behind schedule. And i'll push for reforms that can save hundreds of millions of dollars every year and get better. Infrastructure created on time and third. I want to focus on getting new york city more ready for future crises than we were for this one. So i'll conduct a catastrophic risk assessment early on my charm future risks facing the city. And how we can prepare for them. Focus on the climate crisis. Gravest long-term risk as pension fiduciary budget watchdog and cheap accountability officer and worked for long-term budget balance with a more thoughtful approach to pex attrition and fund. That rainy day fund. So we'll be more prepared for future fiscal crises down the road. Thank thank you very much for that. Let's just on the biggest picture. You're proud progressive founder of the progressive caucus. You're talking here about this responsibility. What do you say to those who are looking for a counterweight for the mayor. But look at your record of supporting expensive government absolutely look. I am a proud progressive. Bold government action to help us recover from this crisis. We needed in this crisis. And we're going to need to recover from this crisis to build a platform for shared economic growth. And i also know we want to build a more just more equal. Anamour sustainable city. We've seen racial economic neighborhood. Gender inequality painfully in this crisis and got to build something different but look government has to work better to be able to deliver on any of those promises. So progressives who care about making government work in big bold ways should be the first ones to show up to tell the truth about the budget to audit the agencies carefully to insist. The government lives up to its promises. Your forum is titled accountability not just accounting and to me accountability to those shared values of more equal thriving within our means. That's how i see the job so to me. Not only is there not a contradiction. it's an obligation of progresses to care about the budget to care about the details to get in there and really understand how we make government work better. I worked hard that in the city council passing a lot of bills that have dug in on systems like that capital projects tracker like the american rescue plan tracker. And that's what i'll do is controller so before we get to audits which. I'm very interested in You mentioned the this five billion dollar budget gap is i did How would you use the powers the office. What kind of recommendations considering the council for longtime looking off over the budget been part of the negotiating committee times. Where do we find those savings. And what s controller. Do you do to us both. The tools of your office annually pulpit to get those ideas implemented. Yeah let me give a couple of quick examples. So i right now. The way we do the peg program the citywide savings program city commissioners don't get any credit or faulds. If the things they propose reduce headcount which saves us money in health benefits and pension costs. They only get the direct savings. We wanna program that actually incentivizes the long-term savings as well so i'd like to see the fusion of our peg programs. With a more focused attrition program so commissioners have a responsibility to identify what programs they would. Phase out through attrition or reduce the through attrition. so they might want to increase something new or in in dangerous years where we've got a confronted fiscal crisis. Reduced the budget. I think that could save. We've seen headcount come. Down as a result of attrition and we could save more over time if we shift to. That model of pegs with a focused attrition as a controller. What do you do. Yeah what you identify what the cost would be you. Look at the pay program and you say this agencies proposing headcount reduction that would actually save us this much more through opab pension and a long-term boss and this cost wouldn't on this year's executive budget it needs to be broken out. What are the one term sources and the one time sources and the one time uses and what are the recurring sources in the recurring uses. So break down the budget so it's really transparent so that the council and the mayor can make good choices. Identify other areas for savings. I wanna see property tax reform and an end to the four twenty one eight program which is one point. Seven billion dollars. We're going to spend next year We're not going to get a single unit affordable enough to get a homeless new yorker off the streets so it's a tell the truth. It's a bully pulpit. It's a break the budget down and then work together with folks like you and other advocates. Who are pushing for change. Thank you now. Let's switch audits audits. It's it's definite is as nice two thousand. Eighteen governmental accounting auditing standards each. I highly recommend the reading us out. Brushing up. on a specific objectives are designed to find deficiencies against predetermined sets of indicators process output outcome. you've talked about equity sustainability environmental justice other types of audits. Can you drill down a little more. What gives us an example. The objectives were enter criteria for equity sustainability on. What does that really look like super. Let me make clear. First and foremost you gotta do the waste fraud. And abuse audits and identify savings in spending. So one of the first. I wanna do is the department of corrections where we're detaining a third as many people's retrial. Pretrial as we were a decade ago but spending twice as much one hundred forty seven thousand dollars. A year her detainees that i'm gonna dig in audit and proposed how we save money. You know that's gotta be a real willingness to look at the labor costs there. Why we're still having so many people for so many of detainees. But i'll give you an example of kind of audit that i think would be against specific measurable objectives. But we could make real difference and that's Our agencies have responsibility for language access to provide services to people in the languages that those folks speak as well as access for people with disabilities in to the sites that city provides Excessive -bility audit would help make a more equitable city. Would i you know crowdsource and say where are there gaps and shortcomings and then you go to those agencies and say look. We've heard that you've got a lot of bangaladeshi clients you know administration for children's services or wherever it is but you're falling short we're actually gonna come audit you in six or nine months. We'd actually like to those services in place by our goal is not a gotcha. Our goal is to win. Change that actually makes government work better. I've put out the most detailed plan of any controller candidate. Not just for what audits. I'll do but for how will make those audit strategic so they actually win change because even if they follow of the guidelines in the government accounting manual. You just hold up but they just sit on a shell and nobody implements that changes than really. What good are they. So i've got a plan not only do the audits. But to make sure the auditor strategic and win real change. Thank thank you very much. Let's move onto pinch city pension contributions to be ten point three billion dollars next year which is a billion more than it was five years prior to what is your investment strategy. So that future wrote doesn't start eating up our operating budget absolutely you have to fund them adequately so that's step one Obviously the actuary makes a decision about what the target rate will be in the actuaries proposed to reduce it from seven percent to six point eight percent. Although at the moment it doesn't look like the pension funds are gonna vote to adopt that recommendation. I think it would actually probably be smart to adopt that recommendation that would require paying in a little more annually. But being able to be prudent with those investments when problem if you've got a high hurdle rate to hit is you're more tempted to take risks You know and sometimes you can get into trouble there. I will say i do think that. The portfolio is broadly invested in a sensible range of places in inequity in fixed income You know there's a sample. Turn it investments that i think really are worth looking at because you have to net those fees to make sure that returning what we need But broadly during the last eight years which have been good on on wall street obviously The portfolio has done well -ciary that's your responsibility. It's not your money you know. Fiduciary means is not the controllers. Money is not the city's money money belongs to the workers who earned it. You gotta make sure it. Is there for them when they retire. We need to move on to the lightning round but very quickly. You've talked about economically targeted investments. How low is to lower return to make it worth it to increase the operating budget. Hit those need to be market returns but they can be invested in new york city projects whether that's rooftop solar or affordable housing Those are market returns. But they're in places in the market where credit can help do something in new york city. That's not happening. Fantastic now if we can move to our lightning round see. Its like speeding. not it moved to lightning round. Yes or no please. Except where specified Do support requiring mandatory deposits into a rainy day fund when the economy is growing and limiting withdrawals. Only two times. Recessions are severe emergency. Yes absolutely. I tried to introduce a bill to do it but we're preempted by that state legislation but yes i do absolutely should the city's significantly increase the size of its retiree health benefits trust to address the outstanding one hundred nine billion dollar opec post employment benefit liability. Yes we need the real rainy day fund and then a separate retiree health benefits trust fund. Is there any circumstances that require the new york state. Financial control board empowered to approve city fiscal actions. I think we can handle are spending on own. We need to do it with fiduciary attention but yeah i i don't know the answer to scale of one being not very familiar to five being extremely familiar. How would you rate yourself on. Familiarity with generally accepted accounting principles or. What is your single most important. All the kitchen ensuring you will be agreed controller. High digging on the details to make government work better. That's what i've done. The council organized together with people find what's broken bring the data to it and make strategic action to change it so government serves. Everybody works better. You have a fiscal or public accountability hero fiscal or public accountability hero. Ray question my my favorite controller is andrew has well green who was the controller that led the way that the consolidation of new york city which summoned brooklyn's still call the great mistake. But i think led the way to our city's future thriving. So i'm gonna i'm gonna go with him at our last. Please choose a topic new york city music food or sports. I'm gonna go with food food. What's your favorite new york street. Food hot dogs street. Meat flock Guys nuts for nuts empanadas tacos. Oh and bananas empanadas will. Thank you very much brad. We really appreciate you spending the time with us. This was great andrew. Thank you so much. Please stay tuned for zaka scholar. Next candidate andrew. How our thanks great thanks. I'm doing great. hopefully you are. Thanks for being here. I would not miss this. I was very excited for this one. I looked forward to delving into higher to use the office. I will spend three minutes with an overview. I'll prompt than eight minutes. Qna and a two minute lightning round. We'll hear a little beep. The prompt us to move along people on that makes sense. You're ready to dive in. I'm ready to dive in. I'm ready to dive in. Let's get going okay. So pleased succinctly described the role of controller. Your top three priorities and how. You'll use the power of the office to achieve. Yeah so i think that. There's there's a number of roles that fall under the office of the konczal Meeting our promise to pensioners Through us being fiduciary of the city's pension funds of settling claims against the city of setting prevailing wage of helping finance city projects to the sale of city debt. And i think most importantly serving as the chief accountability officer for the city. There is a reason that this is not an office that works for the mare. I think a lot of people often talk about the comptroller as chief financial officer for the city. Actually don't see it that way. I think the chief financial officer is the finance. Commissioner who works for the mayor I think that this role really more than anything else. The chief accountability officer the city. The person whose job is to make sure the city is doing its job. And that's why it's an independently elected office who works for the people of the city. As opposed to the mayor in terms of my priorities there are many Sort of the opposite of the definition of a priority. But i think in this day and age there are a lot number one is. We've got to bring the economy back if the economy is not working. Nothing is working on the stand. I think there's a lot of creative ways that we can use the office of the comptroller To help invest in new york city. Bring jobs back. Have a Environment that is friendlier to businesses And to also address them the deep structural issues. The city is facing with its finances over the next few years the poor leadership over the previous administration But if i was just gonna give you three sort of primary focuses beyond Beyond that i would say. Accountability is huge It is something that is completely missing from. City government Where and and part of that is also setting benchmarks. And i think that when we talk about audits we often look for where we're from you find. Savings will stringer found. Very few savings and one of the reasons for that is. We're not creating benchmarks. Were not spending outcomes as somebody who is running nonprofit where i knew. Eighty five cents of every dollar was going to a specific outcome where i knew the eleven quality of life measurements that we had to get in order to make sure that we are cheating. Certain outcomes making sure city spending is tied to outcomes will be a huge priority especially in the approval of city contracts accountability do benchmarks structural fiscal deficiencies and bringing jobs back in and getting the economy on sitting. So let's start on the big picture on structural Fiscal deficiencies as he said. What is your assessment on the long run fiscal health. What would you do in your office to help. Improve the city structural budget balance. So you're not going to like my answer but we gotta start now one of the things one of the big concerns. I have when you look at the mayor's executive budget that he released a week ago is it will lead to about fifteen billion dollar deficit over the first three years of the next merrill And that is assuming that we find a billion dollars in labor savings that are undisclosed that assumes that really state taxes remain stable that assumes that income taxes remain stable and so one of the things. I'm worried about is. You don't get that seems to get four hundred thousand people back to work. If those things don't happen in the next couple of years it could be much more severe than a fifteen billion dollar deficit and we know that there's not a whole lot of of spending that can be cut that's not obligatory spending and so we have to start now. We can't start early enough to find those savings find those controller today. What would you be doing I would be looking for healthcare savings. I would be looking for labor savings. I would be making investments in the labor. I i think this is one thing that people get wrong We think of of labor savings as meeting that you're gonna be cutting the workforce actually think that when you make cuts when you Don't pay people market rates. You should lead to greater. You're not investing in the workforce you know we've seen over the last few years a especially even even before the buzzer. We've seen a huge reliance on outside consultants outside contractors. We've seen how this cost the city with. It projects for example because we're not making the investments in the city's workforce that then creates additional cost burdens so labor savings Healthcare costs the debt. How is it during you know. One of the greatest times of economic growth in the city of new york. We've added You know our debt service by By over a third. I mean different functions. You know you've called for benchmarking. And performance measurement auditor about you know having objectives and finding deficiencies against a set of benchmarks and criteria. You give us an example of how you would do that Specifically you know give a service what your objective is and at and benchmarks you'd use and what the audit would find if it did. Yeah i'll give you two right off the bat really quickly so number one is. Let's look at Sanitation we could look at homelessness to we pay four times more to have our trash picked up in city than they are place in the world. Why is ray weekend. Look at places around the world where they've created new innovative ways of removing trash. It's not just because we don't have back alleys where we can you know. Get our track where we don't have to leave our trash on the streets so creating benchmarks is partly about looking around the world looking around the country looking at other municipalities and seeing how other places are solving these problems seeing how much they are spending seeing what solutions they're bringing to bear. We don't have to always reinvent the wheel here at home. and that can then create a benchmark. Understand how we could be doing things better to make city government more competitive with of you municipalities. Another one is homelessness. There are i think fifty five cities around the united states that have ended veterans homelessness. As a veteran i served in the marine corps led troops some of the heaviest combat of the iraq war. I came home began to lose more marines to suicide than i did in combat. This is an issue. That's critically important to me. Especially because i spent the last ten years in mental health There are cities around the country that have ended not just veterans homelessness but homelessness. We spent three point two billion dollars a year on homelessness and yet the problems getting worse not better and so i think the question is to already identified the benchmarks the question. How do you used the tools the office. So you have an auditee hundred and seventy people. What do you tell them to do. Now that you know. We're spending having ended veterans homelessness Spending more On different services. What do you do with the tools. You're one of one of the big powers of you. Don't talk enough about with. The comptroller's office is approving city contracts. So let's say we're proving a contract for a nonprofit lebron's shelter provider you know for example. Maybe one recently profiled by the new york times but and let's say that they have an eighty million dollar a year contract around housing homelessness. When you've been going to actually review that contract. One of the things i want to look at. What are the outcomes. What are the performance metrics. You can take those benchmarks that are created from how other cities have solved this problem and made sure that are spending that those city contracts designed in a way that we are solutions oriented and not just paying for a business model. That isn't helping anybody speaking of contracts you've talked about having People want contract with city. Prepare a one page memo on their commitment now given that the charter doesn't provide the controller with the power to reject a contract based on their someone's commitment to the city or the controller to require that age memo. What do you think the impact of that proposal. I think it'll be significant. Whether by in other in the spirit or letter of the law. I think it will be significant. And look you know i speak to business. Owners nonprofit executives All over the city. They all want to be a part of the solution. They just need to be asked right. I mean i think a lot of us often. Forget that businesses nonprofits People that work outside of government have as much a stake in the city's future as any of us. Do they want to be asked to be part of the solution. And i think that there is a way of saying like this is mandatory. This is punitive also way of doing this in the spirit of cooperation and bringing to bear every resource. We have sol solves these problems. The city's face so since the city pension contributions to be ten point three billion next year. Upper billion dollars. What been five years prior to that. What's your investment strategy to minimize so that pension future growth doesn't eat up the outrage you've talked about using the comically targeted investments for housing community development social programs. What's your overall strategy better management. So i think the report that came in twenty fifteen and funston report that identified about two hundred forty different structural recommendations and manage recommendations for the bureau of asset management Scott stringer has implemented about eighteen of them but i think if we actually implemented more of them Paid you know folks. In the bureau of asset management you know tried to recruit market rate Moved more to a model more of a can of the canadian model were making more investments directly from the From the city That alone there estimates could lead to another one to two percent in gained returns. Because you're not getting killed by fees you're not investing in funds and funds of funds where you're getting killed by fees and that one to two percent on two hundred fifty billion dollars over ten years not even counting compound growth. That's a lot of money. That's a significant amount of my understood. Thank you thank her. We're gonna move if you might or lightning round asking by hayes lightning rounds yes or no questions. But we'll dive in. We'll see how do the first one is. Do you hate like no. i'm joking. our. Except where specified i you support requiring mandatory deposits through rainy day fund when the economy's growing and limiting withdrawals from that fund only two times of recessions or severe emergency. Yes and if. I can add a rainy day. Fund is not already fun. If you're only putting pennies in it it's gotta be significant. Should the city increase the size of its retiree health benefits trust fund to address the outstanding hundred nine billion dollar other post employee benefit liability yes. I'm very concerned about it. I think it is actually probably way underestimated how under-funded it is. Is there any circumstances that require the new york state. Financial control board empowered to approve a fiscal actions. Are there any repeat that. Are there any circumstances. That should require that. The new york state financial control board be empowered to approve city fiscal actions. Like it after the fact. This cry. If i'm not elected comptroller yes. I joke but i think if i think if you look at the state of the city's finances yes that's the path that we're probably on right now on a scale from one being not very familiar to five being extremely familiar. How would you rate yourself on. Familiarity with generally accepted accounting principles. Give myself a four based on my ten years of business operation experience. What is your single most important altercation trying. You will be a great controller. I care about the outcomes and for our last question. Please choose the topic new york city music food or sports. I'm going with food. Gastro andrew what is your favorite new york street food hot dogs street meat. Philophical allow guys nuts for nuts empanadas or tacos. I'm going to go between hollick. Brings back memories from deployments overseas. I also love okay. We'll give you two on that one. Thank you for being with us today. Thank you andrew. It's great to be with y'all sorry about the technical issues. No problem no problem. Thank you and please all stay tuned for brian. Benjamin who's up next tastic right here. Happy to be here a sorry picture by the way i have to come. Thank you on my snuggie in the side. I look forward to delving into how you plan to use the office. And the power of that office to serve the people in new york. I'm going to ask a general question. I first few minutes the mon eight minnesota question and answer minute to minute. Lightning round show. Okay great whatever you want you to die then get right so so thank you please. Succinctly describe the role of controller. Your top three priorities and how you will use the powers of the office to achieve short. Thank you andrew. The citizens budget commission. Thank you for giving me this opportunity. To share my thoughts The comptroller is a very important job. Comptroller is the chief accountability office of the city the chief fiscal officer of the city. And also the chief investment officer of the two hundred and fifty billion plus pension assets that the contract is to produce sherry of You know there are a number of priorities that i think a need to get the attention of the next comptroller blending talk about three since you asked three number one of the comptroller In my in my estimation has to be completely focused on auditing investigating city agencies particularly the time. Like this as. We're looking to come out of kobe recover as city. You know two departments really come to mind is the neal out of attention. One is the nypd that needs to be audited. And as well as do week for performance based audits because if those two agencies don't work receive new york particularly for those who are most undeserved and marginalized the whole system doesn't work secondly the comptroller's responsible in my view for of twenty and fifty billion dollar public pension fund. Five separate funds. Elvis hundred thousand retirees. Who rely on their on their pension retirements including my parents and you know the comptroller needs to not only provide those returns. Which i believe i will. I have a background in this. I after browner. Harvard business school. I spent a few years and morgan stanley investment banking ads private wealth management. I will Say to you that no other candidate is race has any investment management investment allocation manager selection experience besides myself and we should be thinking about issues like affordable housing affordable homeownership. How can we provide premise affordable housing particularly given the way the markets are looking and invest in communities that have been underrepresented with In in a with economically targeted investments and then third the controllers. I'm the Responsible for taking care of the fiscal health and the general condition of the city Holding the mayor in the city accountable. The spending and i think you know as we have fifteen billion plus dollars coming into the federal government for covert related issues. We need to make sure that that money is being spent in a way. That's helping to drive the recovery and at meet we need to be concerned about. Is that money going towards recurring on nonrecurring expenses Because we are putting that money towards extensive that recur send the city up for failure so those are the kinds of things that controlled needs to do. Hold the city accountable. Now and i plan to do that will thank you. Very much. Let's show into those areas maybe in reverse order on the fiscal health city. What is your assessment of Fiscal health in the city. The mayor's budget and what has controller. Would you do to improve. This city's fiscal situation in specifically structural budget balance. Long run. what is controller. Should you do about that. I think a couple of things. I you know we. As you know we've been downgraded the aa minus And that has to do with this. The outlook that. Kobe has has brought to the table. we are spending about ten thousand dollars per per capita. That's our debt level presently. Not near the statutory requirements status said After the seventies but clearly if you think about the fact that real estate values which is what that ten percents based upon real estate values are probably lower given what we have been seeing less traffic etcetera. Backup it a lot more pressure on our debt so in my view i think the first business to get a sense of what is what is real estate. Values look like in the city of new york particularly downtown. I've been traveling To get the times square alliance Tour chinatown solis foot traffic. What does that look by coming back out a cold. I think we have to be very mindful of at talking to the businesses to get a sense of. What is the world look after kobe. And can we expect the mta to have the level of of activity that needs norge sustain. The cost We have to be mindful those things in my view. I think contrel has a very important role of really trying to delve into the numbers on this end advising the city and advising The man city council as as what are true Debt physicians are in the health of the city financial stanford baiju. Thank you switch. Pensions as i promised you go. In reverse order the city pension contributions going to be ten point three billion dollars. That's billion more than just five years prior to that. So is your investment strategy so that the future growth doesn't eat up the operating budget. Well first of all i serve on. The board of trustees have brown university where our investment committee has been has been stellar at ten percent. Return year over year for the last ten years. Twelve percent molasses three and is really predicated upon two key concepts one having the chief investment officer. Who's really top of the line and really understands how to think about markets not a disorder of dodd matic percentage based structure but more in terms of manager selection in terms of how markets and moving conferring points of views. And so the first order of business will be to get A really top-flight chief investment officer. Who actually understands and has had experience of managing this kind of it which will help us to attract the kind of talent To to being the management one of the biggest falls we have is the beer management cannot afford to compete with the private sectors. You need to have a mindset that is really built around a sort of public service giving back but you get your best and brightest to step up and played an important role on that front. And so i think that good Antero teachers at ten years ago paid their chief investment officer three point. Two million dollars is their compensation act. Are you talking about that or a different for no no. I'm talking about it version. Where how brown's paying the chief our chief investment officer one dollar because he graduates rounds did extremely well in the private sector and wanted to give back. There are so many talented people who would want to give back. If they're asked by the right people given the right portfolio and respects and respond and sort of the right mindset in the right structure. They will do it You know everyone has experienced Some of us are doing so much better than than the rest of his. The key is to not villainess people to reach out to people and say listen. This is your city. You have enormous experience. You've done extremely well. New york city has been incredibly valuable to you. I need you to get back and play this important role. And when you have the right people at top andrew then they can help bring up people down below. Because you're not gonna we're not we don't pay in the in the public sector the way they pay and the only way it works is if you have the best people but the mindset is we're gonna Help our city return because there is a direct correlation between how poor the pension funds return. And how much that contribution things to go up right last year with four point four percent. Seven percent is the hurdle rate in the low stock in the low extreme environment. We should be able to hit that number of the fact that we have it speaks to range of issues. But i do think we should get the best and the brightest and say this is your time to get back in this the way you can get back. We all have different ways to do it. I think there's a real opportunity for an investment class to play in our country and you want to use more the pension funds for affordable housing questions. You know people talked about all sorts of different strategies on economically target invests about that being a part of the housing portfolio. But at a certain point you have to balance your rates of return or else you hit. That operating budget is there. How'd do you make that bounce. What is too low rate of return. Even if you're investing in something that is socially beneficial economically beneficial. For certain yorkers will the her seven percent so that is what the actually requires And so the sold for me. I cannot imagine any scenario. I mean i used to ice do affordable housing understand the investment. I understand the best is actually financed Into the business models for them there. Are you know any any decent affordable housing project in the city can definitely return you low teens as long as you You know you're kind of moving up in a in a reasonable timeframe and you're not you're not sort of look honey your timing but know how huge need over six hundred thousand people in your city need affordable housing. That's a way for you to a a public need and be provided the rate of return stitches that the actually requires for the pension funds. I think it's a no brainer. And i would love to even expand that and look at Possibly how you look at affordable homeownership because that is a huge need and his ways to finance those things that make sense Particular time like this you know. The hotels are release struggling Permits afford housing is a real issue. We have homelessness crisis We can merge the to Have our fees bio tells Work with good permit support of housing operators and and and you know give people permanent spaces of the of this shopping around the city At expenses to them and to those who nearby as you know and it hits both sides the operating budget in terms of time subsidies for the operating side so it is combined before we get to. Let's go to the audits for second you talked about your installed. Nypd audits of course not an objective. You have a set of criteria. You're looking for deficiencies. Can you help us drill down. What specifically is a specific set of criteria that you would audit the nypd against and looking for to identify and how that implemented short two things one is you know we absolutely must focus on public safety. Broadly defined brothers safety as law enforcement plus other factors within the issue of law enforcement. My view is what exactly are they spending on. And how is that specifically keeping us safe right so as you look at the needs of the nypd different locations have different needs so for example i would imagine the precincts that covered central harlem should look different than the previous that covered west side of park slope just because of the nature of the situation. How public safety is looks like in those in those areas have different focuses like in my district. Mental health is a big issue. So how does that look. You can't send some some some guys would a baton and an an a gun. You have to have some mental health components to that as well so for me. It's more about how we make sure that every single dollar we spend is most efficiently keeping us safe. And i think that there are if you if you really dig into the budget. You'll find you'll find that. There's there's a lot there that should probably be someplace else. Okay thank you were. Were going to move to our lightning round. Yes or no please except where. I asked for a different answer. Okay so ready to roll with you. Andrew do you support requiring mandatory deposits into a rainy day fund when the economy is growing and limiting withdrawals only two times of recessions or severe emergency being that that was the bill that i carry in the senate and wanted i absolutely do. Obviously we to get past. We had to make ma. How do we say was sitting. We gotta do some compromises. The passed legislation. i understand. We'll talk about that. You know the the biggest problem is is that the city will say to you. The reason why they can't Do what we wanted is because the governor will then if we have a real rainy day fund he will then divert bring less money to the city and so anyway. We can talk about that. Conversation should the significantly increase the size of its retiree health benefits trust to address the outstanding one hundred nine billion other post employment benefit liability. Yes is there any circumstance that should require the new york state. Financial control board empowered to approve city fiscal actions. Yes when the debt When the debt of the city gets close to the a statutory requirement of ten percent of the of the real estate value of property values. Absolutely on a scale from one being not very familiar to five being extremely familiar. How would you rate yourself on familiarity with generally accepted accounting principles. When i was at harvard. Business school. I five not by somewhere between three and four and for the last topic you choose city music food or sports music use it. What is your favorite nineteen seventies new york city music genre disco punk or hip hop disco. Okay thank you very much bryan bench mint. We appreciate you everyone. Please stay tuned for our next candidate. Michelle caruso cabrera. Thanks brian i how are you doing how are you. I'm doing well. Thank you so much for joining us. It's a pleasure to be. I look forward to delving into how you plants. Use the powers of the office to serve the people of new york. I ask an open question. We'll a few minutes to discuss the big picture than eight minutes q. And a. and a two minute very exciting lightning route as yet okay. Let's dig in. Could you please first succinctly described role of controller. Your top three priorities and how you'll use the powers of the office to achieve them. Thank you so much. And yes i will do that. And it's a pleasure to speak with all of you members of the citizens budget commission about my campaign to be the next controller new york city mytalk priorities and how i intend to achieve them as the city's top financial officer for those of you don't know me and introduce me but my name is michelle caruso cabrera notes long on the daughter the granddaughter of immigrants i am the only woman holding near the top in the polls on the only latina in the race. And as you're going to hear over the next few minutes. I'm the only candidate who has experienced. It's needed right now to be new york city's top financial officer and watchdog lead an economic comeback. That leaves no one behind for this very critical moment for the city before entering politics. I was a journalist. I began my career thirty years ago when he'd be soon and then i spent more than twenty years at cnbc. Where i was an anchor and the chief and International correspondent and as a journalist. I reported on financial crises all over the world cuba iran ukraine iraq italy greece russia venezuela. Those were of course all very different places but in each it was always the same marginalized an underserved communities always paid a disproportionate price when disaster struck. I tell you all of this. Because i am very aware of the repeated mistakes which come up over and over again in both the management of economic crises and the subsequent recovery. That could often have been better and as a journalist i saw over and over again that those who can least afford to pay they always end up paying the most and i'm very worried that without the right kind of leadership in the city we could easily go down the scene path. I'm constantly telling people yeah. The city is resilient. It'll bounce back. But how long will it take. How equitable is the comeback. How much damage we have to undo is going to depend on the action. We take over the next two years. Now let me answer your question. Specifically the controller is the city's top financial officer and watchdog. It's the job of the controller to follow the money use the power of the audit the power of oversight to hold the mayor the city council and the city agencies accountable my priority controller is going to be used to use the powers and the responsibilities of the office to look at every dollar. We are spending much as i did as a journalist in sure we are extracting the maximum possible value out of every penny of spending bring people jobs and investment back to new york city and lead a truly equitable recovery for new york city. That leaves no one behind. You guys know this already. The budget's gone up by twenty billion dollars per year. Seventy two billion to ninety two billion in the past year and now a ninety eight billion dollar budget and all new yorkers that i talked to every single one of them struggle even before covid to identify twenty billion dollars worth of improvements their daily lives in the city or in the quality of the services that they can do. So what can the controller do the job high-quality forensic audits that are going to yield an enormous amount of information about this major disconnect between what we spend on the lack of return and make sure we can invest wisely in our communities and emerge from this crisis. I knew how to use. Income statements balance sheets and cash flows to be both tools and in the right hands. They can be weapons. Thank you andrew. Thank you thank you. So let's big picture and then drill down to some of those tools but as you said you're the one as you said you have the experience and following the money obviously journalists and controllers have various tools and techniques for uncovering reporting on issues and then getting those findings used implements and policy. Can you tell us. Specifically what similar about those tools and techniques and implementation strategies for being a journalist. And what's different quite frankly when your controller so when i was a financial journalist i was looking at income statements balance sheets and all the time and casual statements when i was interviewing. Ceo's and looking at the equivalent. I know it's not the same for countries. But when i was interviewing presidents and prime ministers about the spending the spending priorities and what went wrong and what went right you should also know that i was on the board of a financial institution on the audit committee. Now what is different. Is that with a controller. You know you have the power to do forensic audits performance audits standard audits on and ask controller as well you have the bully pulpit and one thing that has often happened with this physician. It's often held by someone who actually really wants to be the mayor. That's why they're running or that's why they ran and so every decision they make is actually done through their personal political lens and what's good for their future. Rather than what is better for the city of new york and for new yorkers. So i am about actually doing the job. I'm not interested in being the mayor of called on all the other candidates to take a pledge that they're not going to run for mayor. I just wanna really do the job. Because i know how important it is this moment in time. That new york city has a turnaround. The population of new york in one thousand nine hundred ninety were smaller than it was in one thousand nine hundred forty and that is because of the seventies. And if we don't get this election right we could go back there again. There's so much stake thank you. Let's drill down a little law on those audits. We talked about forms audits forensic audits auditor. Obviously you have an audit if you have a team but control under and offers you have an objective for the audit you have a set of criteria you find efficiencies against that p drill down what you give us a couple of examples of agencies specific audits what would be your objective criteria so we can understand more how you use those tools. Yeah health and hospitals first step one of the first two i think third one beat department of education. So i live in queens. At the height of the pandemic i could see hundreds and hundreds of people in line in front of elmhurst hospital and i went back and looked at our spending on what was happening with health and hospitals. Just we've seen a huge increase in spending and the overall budget in the sitting. We've also seen a more than four hundred percent increase in health and hospitals and yet our outcomes and i were terrible and that's not for lack of very hard work by the doctors and the nurses we know that is somewhat of read in the papers and all the interviews that i've seen but clearly there are tremendous inefficiencies there that lead to the most vulnerable people in our city suffering the most. Let me go back to my original point. What i see over and over again crises. Those who can least afford to pay always into paying the most. And that's what i saw elmhurst hospital. I'd also take a look at the nypd. I wanna on them as well. I saw in the paper. Unless twenty four hours that they actually haven't done a real audit a full audit in years a new that went digging for it as a journalist. That's what i do. So what does the nypd spend their money on. I want to know because it's very controversial right now. Right you've seen a couple of performance on its own a look at the whole gamut. What would i look there. I wanna see. Are we spending too much money on over policing i can tell you. Having spent time in black and brown communities. They are very concerned about over-policing to rising levels of tension spending more ahead it just ruined to determine so you have a team of auditors. Yeah i'll do they determine if it's okay over-policing or not well first of all you just have to get the data and find out okay. What have we spent money on. Where has it really gone because a budget is one thing but an audit is another. What in your line by line. What did this okay. We have a line item that is spent on this. What did it actually accomplish. Where did it go. that's how you do it and it's my understanding that for a very long time. We haven't done those kind of line by line analysis of whether or not we are getting what we need. The comes that we deserve and we should demand as new yorkers for the dollars and the taxpayer dollars that are being spent by the city council understood understood thank you. Let's move from From the audits to another very important responsibility management and oversight pension funds. Two hundred fifty billion dollars you know what is your would be your strategy for investment. 'cause right now our cities contribution as you've said costs have gone up ten point three billion next year a billion dollars from five years prior what is your investment strategy so that the future growth doesn't squeeze out operating budget priorities. Yes so it's been enormously difficult to run a pension fund as you can imagine for. It's gotten harder and harder over the last thirty years. Because when i was that me saying for years every investment person say whatever you do don't buy the long into the curve and you know it was the one thing you probably shoulda done for. The last thirty years was by the long end of the curve. Because what's happened. Interest rates have gone down and down and down. They even went negative. That's made it incredibly difficult for pension funds. Because of course they have a certain number of retirees retiring in a certain year. Historically they'd like to use fixed income because they know exactly what they're going to get when those bonds or whatever. Those instruments are when they when they turn out and yet they've been forced to go into instead hedge funds private equity things that are far more illiquid so i probably a barbell strategy at this point until we see a rise in interest rates on very concerned right now about whether or not we are at a turning point in inflation. I hear that from. Larry summers from steve rattner. I'm worried about that. So we are at a crucial point. I am not sure that working on an endowment method is exactly what we're going to want to do because you know universities have very very different needs you know harbor can go and buy you know imber and hold it for a very long time. Which is one of their strategies. For while i think we should be more liquid and if it comes down to we need to make clear to the city council the cost. They are running up when they do not actually fund a lot of the outstanding costs related to our retirees not just the pension funds. Well thank you very much. I think it's time as i heard the beep to move onto our lightning round breath. No answers unless i ask for something slightly different but quick answers plates Do you support requiring mandatory deposits into a rainy day fund when the economy is growing and limiting withdrawals from that fun only two times of recessions or severe emergency. Yes as long as albany doesn't rate yes. Should the city significantly increase the size of its retiree health benefits to redress the outstanding one hundred nine dollar other post employment benefit liability. Yes that's a major hole that the city council must become aware of so they understand exactly what the problem is archetype series need to know that the benefits that they have promised will be there and there is risk of that right now. Is there any circumstances that you require the new york state. Financial control board empowered to approve city fiscal. There's there's already a law in place right that that determines what those reasons would be if we're going to miss a debt payment if our debt levels approach to certain level and those are all put in place in a very thoughtful way back during the seventies and the mac corporation and i agree with us on a scale of one being not very familiar to five being extremely familiar. How would you rate yourself on. Familiarity with generally accepted accounting principles. a foreign. If i were an accountant i would say a fine. But i'm not an accountant. I have served on an audit committee. And i am deeply familiar with accounting but i give it a four. Do you have a city fiscal or public accountability hero. That he wants dick ravitch. I'm sure i hope he's watching it. I'm sure happy to say that. What and Far last question. We love you to choose your own topic from new york city music food or sports the arts. I'm the president of the board of the ballet hispanic of fifty years old on west. Eighty ninth street. I love the arts. I love the lincoln center. I cannot wait for the arts to come back. It's an economic engine of new york music. I assume i'm sure there are chefs athletes. Who consider what they do as part of the arts. But i think you're saying so. What is your favorite nineteen seventy s new york city music genre disco punk or hip hop disco. This go to disco so hard tonight. Well thank you. Michelle caruso cabrera. Thanks for being with us. Pleasure andrew thank you so much and thanks to everyone in the citizens budget commission. Well thank you all very much. Please stay tuned for our next candidate. Cory johnson okay. Great to see. Thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having me andrew. Good to be you look in. Well thank you you too. I look forward to spending time delving into how you plan to use the powers of the office to serve the people of new york. I'm i going to ask the general question of three minutes dance without about priorities. Eight minutes for our qa. A two minute very exciting lightning round found. Okay yep great. Ready to dive in. Yes ben tastic so to begin please. Succinctly described the role of the controller. Your top three priorities and how you would use the powers of the office to achieve those priorities. sure again. thank you for having me this afternoon. Evening as andrews said. I'm cory johnson. I'm running to be new york city's next controller before i get to the exact question andrew just asked let me just share a little bit about my story and why. I'm running as a poor kid growing up in public housing. I never thought that one day. I'd be able to be of service to others. I moved to. New york's today at nineteen years old with two bags and not much to my name. And i ended up getting involved as an organizer for tenants. Rights and on behalf of new yorkers like myself people living with hiv and aids was appointed to my local community board work by way up the ranks and a few years. Later i was like to the city council and for the last four years. I've been speaker of the council. And now i'm running to be new. York city's next controller with one goal in mind to better the lives of workers and to help our city recover being. New york's chief. Fiscal officer comes with significant. Power auditing city agencies protecting our pension funds settling claims against the city and so much more but isn't just about dollars and cents. It's about helping our city rebuild and recover our audit An audit isn't just about the items in the ninety eight billion dollar budgets of making sure that city government is working for people who need it. The most protecting public pension funds isn't just about managing the two hundred and fifty one dollars in assets. It's about making sure. Hardworking new yorkers can retire with dignity and settling claims with the city isn't just an administrative function. it's their upbringing closure and proper compensation to victims families. If i'm elected i'd be guided by a model that my mom taught me the model have held onto throughout my entire time. Public service do the most good for the people who need it. The most and as controller that approach would be my north star. Thanks to president biden era leaders in congress specifically majority leader. Schumer new york city will be getting five point. Nine billion dollars in emergency aid plus additional money for schools. Vaccines fema reimbursement money and help. But it's up to the leaders of our city government particular the next controller to make sure we get our recovery dun-rite. That's exactly what i'll do. I'll make sure that every dollar we get for. Covert relief is targeted directly to our recovery. In the new yorkers who need it most creating recovery and rebuilding unit within the comptroller's office be a watchdog over all one hundred and forty five city agencies and our city's ninety eight billion dollar budget will use every tool of the office to get transparency and accountability for new yorkers including annual audits of some of the biggest agencies like doe. Hp da in the nypd. Be an advocate for our recovery committed to investing in local housing minority and owned businesses in our communities and i'll create a climb fund a new initiative in the controller's office though provide low interest loans to minority owned businesses. So there's more. I want to say but i don't wanna take up too much time. I just wanna say to put it simply. As new york city's chief financial officer. I will use the powers and duties of the controller's office to improve the lives of new yorkers because i love the city so much with the greatest city in the world and i'm grateful to be here this evening with you andrew. Thank you thank you sir. Your johnson Let's delve into those powers the office. let's let's take on. Its i if we can. You know audits. Every controller comes in wants to be more programmatic wants to have their audits. Had it packed. You know you've talked about restricting. Restructuring focusing on the services that affect most new yorkers most yearly one pick. Could you give us an example of one or two audits. What are your objectives. One of the metrics us. How would you actually structure that. It's not just a concept it's one hundred and seventy people doing this job. Yeah i mean. Of course. I think it's important to say that when you specify an audit it's important to not go in trying to get an end result before the audit is don. I mean it's supposed to be an objective audit. You really wanna go. Where the facts take you. So when we talk about audits i think one really important thing is to think about performance based budgeting you know when you're going in there and you're auditing a large city agency. Let's take Da jess the department of homeless services. For an example. I think the public. I mean people that are involved with cdc no s but the public may not understand. You're not auditing the entire city agents. Y'all once you're picking a specified area so on jess. I think you need to go in. You need to do some comparison. Audits what programs are working to place people in long-term affordable housing and supportive housing. And is that the best use of the dollars compared to some of the other money that we're throwing out certain programs so you need to kind of used performance based metric and then steadily i. I think we need to make sure that. There's real accountability and transparency council of course tries to do this as it relates to our annual budget process. But i think the council doesn't have auto power. We have subpoena power And so you know. The control has subpoena power. The controller has audit power and the goal is to provide that information to the council in to the next mayor so that when they're making budgetary decisions there hopefully putting money into programs that are working and taking money away from programs not working. Thank you those on a sucker for good acronym so. Let's talk about isis. For a second you talk about a database of audits claims advocacy in settlements. How would you describe this quickly. And how would you use it. Yeah i mean right now. Things are a little bit scattered. You have different divisions inside the controller's office that are kind of working separately and that's good in many ways because you wanna make sure there is a level of independence and you'll professional staff inside the controller's office many of whom have been there very long time who know the processes inside and out but i think it's important to take some of these functionless what aces goes to and to make sure people are working together that when you are looking at audits the when you were looking at claims that you making sure that the information that you were taking on audits that that is informing the claim process. Control stringer put forward. Something called claim stat. Controller lulu puts board something called checkbook. Nyc we wanna make sure that these things are actually operating in sink in some ways and so. That's what this program that i put forward. As part of my policy agenda would seek to do to make sure they still have their independence. The professional stafford still doing their work. But some of the work to each one of these divisions are doing actual can help the divisions in finding out one of the best ways to look at auditing city agencies. What are the claims that are being filed against the city. How does that inform the audits that were putting forward in the recommendations that were making to the council which the controller does at the preliminary executive budget. The controller does that of the joint hearing of the assembly ways and means and senate finance committee. You want you want a system. That kind of mel's it all together So that you can come forward and say here's what we're seeing when we look at into reality understood. Thank you very much. I'm gonna since you mentioned another acronym. Climb will switch to manage of pensions. If i get this right. Capital lending and investment for minority owned businesses to provide low cost financing. Yes now of course from lendys point of view low-cost financing good. 'cause it's cheaper from lender point of view you get lower returns. So as as fiduciary as one of the managers and advisers on the pension funds. How do you balance that. Because then you're talking about lower returns might have the social and economic good but you're lower returns me a bigger hit on the city's operating budget those trade offs. Yeah i mean. The current assumed the annual rate of return is seven percent and that seems appropriate to me right now given the national economic trends that we're seeing that seven percent assumed annual rate is a little bit below the national average which is seven point one eight percent and so i think when we're looking at the investments that are being made. Let's be clear again i know. Cbc knows as members of the public or watching you know. The city controller is not Doesn't control the investments that are being the state controller's the sole trustee to the state pension funds. The city controller is a trustee of four the five funds. You're not a trustee to burs the board of education retirement system in so the bureau of asset management inside the controller's office is really advising the five funds providing them information and they all have separate strategies. I mean the teacher. Retirement system moved away from hedge funds a long time ago. Some of the other funds still use it one good thing that the the controller did was he treated the common investment meeting where all five of the funds come and sit together on a monthly basis to share information. I think we have to look at number one. We're going to be paying out out of the general fund more than ten billion dollars to cover our pension needs. Were spending almost eight hundred million dollars. In investments fees that are being used for outside investment managers. We should look at you. Know would common index funds actually get a similar return on investment of it somebody in outside investment funds. We're using right now. You cut down on the fees and you actually may get a better return of in the annual expected return. So i think those are some things we need to think. And the lastly we maybe should think about a call investment strategy we bring people in house to the controller's office and you use them in a way. That's not being used right now instead of relying solely on outside investment managers. Well thank you very much I think it's probably time before we go down a other areas to move to are very exciting lightning round. If we may answer is yes or no okay. You ready to go. Yes do you. Support requiring mandatory deposits into a rainy day fund when the economy is growing and limiting withdrawals from that fun only two times of recessions or severe emergency. Yes and there's gonna be a deposit in upcoming budget and in two thousand and eighteen thousand nine nineteen. I pushed the mayor and the council to put money aside in reserves. Yes do you have a target reserve amount that after a healthy recovery. The city should have what what kind of what should be in that rainy day fund dollars. I mean i think it should be ten percent of the city's budget or maybe even a little more than that. Is the budget ninety million. Yeah if the budgets ninety eight million dollars we should have about ten million dollars set. Aside reserves understood should city significantly also increased the size of its retiree health benefits trust to address the outstanding hundred nine billion dollar other post employment benefit liability absolutely that. That's covering the cost for retirees. We put money aside yes. Is there any circumstance that should require the new york state financial control board be empowered to approve city fiscal actions while we were almost in that position last year You know. I'm sure there would be a circumstance by i i. I don't feel comfortable Mostly with albany coming in and taking over the city's budget. I'm a little bit scared of that. Which is why we budget properly in planned properly. That shouldn't happen on a scale of from one being not very familiar to five being extremely familiar. How would you rate yourself already. Generally accepted accounting principles. Yeah gap I would say a floor. I'm not an accountant. But i know you know are ten pretty common principles in there and accountants use them. It's an important thing. I know that dick ravage push for a gap needs to be used at the mta and other places. So yes i would say a four k and for our last question you get to choose from new york city music food or sports. Oh i would say music music. What is your favorite nineteen seventies new york city music genre disco punk or hip hop disco baby donna. Summer's diana ross. I can get down in burgan diana. Ross the boss okay. We got even got a song to go with genre with artists. Thank you very much cory johnson and really really appreciate you join us today thank you thank. You debuted everyone. Cbc thanks for all you're doing at all. Please stand by for next. Last candidate david weber. Ben tastic great great to see. Thanks for joining us. Great to be here andrew. It's great to see you notice the color coding of your books. We can talk about that another time but it looks beautiful. Thank you thank you So i look forward to spending a few minutes with you I it's it's read books on the next job but thank you look forward to helping to how you plan to use the power of the office to serve the people of new york. I'll i ask. The general question will have around three minutes then on follow up for eight minutes and then a two-minute lightning route said. Okay sure no problem. I'm ready okay. So could you please. Succinctly described the role of controller. Your top three priorities. How you will use. The power of the office to our controller has a lot of different roles as you probably know as as well as better than most people of course you have the debt. Issuance function Which is something that I did on wall street for over twenty years. You know floating municipal bonds of infrastructure projects or You know healthcare for hospitals for schools. for major Municipal bonds of tax exempt and taxable. Various new york city is probably the most sophisticated issuers. get involved in Variable rate debt and other You know hedge positions So it's important function because you have to constantly Refunding existing bond issues and and that's Savings at the city really needs especially during tough fiscal times. Of course you have the check on the mayor's agencies the audit function very important function. the charter. The city charter only requires you. What the every as some aspect of every city agency once every four years. That certainly not frequent enough. I would look to what Every city agency Every year You you also You don't have the prevailing wage division where you have to Enforce the prevailing wage laws on public contracts. You have You know contracts with the city And registering those contracts I'm probably gonna leave something out but you have so many different areas. And i have a bad eight hundred employees One of the things. I've been saying everywhere is. I'd like to open up satellite offices. In every borough we're five boroughs city. I wanna be a five boroughs control. His office and i wanna use those satellite offices in the boroughs To be liaisons with the boroughs but be more than that really helps small businesses and help minority women on businesses recover from the pandemic we. We've got a large infusion of money from washington this year. Kind of a line together with the democrats in the senate and and the new president and is agencies of course That's only good for one year. We got probably the equivalent of five or six billion dollars That we can use And that's not going to be there for the next three four five years afterwards and we are anticipating a multibillion dollar deficits in the out years so it's important role chief financial officer To be involved in the certification of budgets You know making changes And suggestions but There's a lot of roles in the controller's office And i think my background is uniquely qualified for that You know as you probably know. I've extensive private sector background the being in municipal finance over twenty years in and out With different firms with six firms deal. Jay canape body paints weber sir. Ag deletion start eiji while staring problems. You're bringing back i. I appreciate it very much. Let's on delve into some some of these functions I know after that. I testified in front of you in the city council so you you've held a number of roles overtime chen. I chaired the finance committee of the city council. So could you please give us your assessment of the city's long run fiscal health. And what tools you use as controller improve the city structural balance. We're in trouble. Frankly this is probably a the worst. The fiscal crisis That the city of new york has ever face. I think it's worse than the seventy five fiscal crisis. The close nine eleven fiscal crisis. Two thousand and eight recession altogether. Had we not gotten that age washington. I don't know what we would have done this year and But i think you have to look at it longtime. You can't just say oh. We got this bill from washington. We're in good shape now. I think You really have to think long term certainly over the next four or five six years. I think you have to. You have to plan. So what as his life can't be done. If you're controller today what would you. How would you use your office to push the city to manage. That's long run finances better specifically would you do well. You know certainly You know when it comes to the budget You know there You know ways to To set aside money and to survey every city agency as to where they can have cuts on a regular basis. Whether you decide to eventually a cut in any of the agencies are not of the should be a plan to close the gap as we had During my eight years as chair of the finance committee I think that was was a major program. We didn't always use it But we had it there We actually created the first healthcare trust fund When i was chair the finance committee. I was involved in that We set aside You know Eventually about two and a half billion dollars to cover retirees healthcare trust fund the healthcare Over the years have money. Therefore the retirees again. I came in on the to fiscal crises. I came in Post nine eleven. But then i also chaired the finance committee during the two thousand and eight recession which was also a major crisis. And i'm happy to say that. When i left the end of two thousand nine we had a surplus again. Thank you very much now. You mentioned one of your priorities is to audit every city agency every year now. The crime is some function of every city agency. Once every four years are you talking about Doubling the size of the audit staffer tripling to do that or you. Talking about not doing certain autism focusing on other audits delve into that a little more potentially potentially increasing the stance as we go if it looks like it's necessary I wouldn't hesitate to To make that a priority. Because there's a lot of saving the other thing that hasn't been done effectively is auditing. Somebody's outside contracts and the outside contracting the budget of the city of new started exploding under mayor bloomberg when i was there But it's it's actually Exploded even more Under mayor de blasio and the outside contracting budget of the city the current budget last year was ninety two billion. Now it's going to be ninety. Eight billion You know this coming fiscal year and about almost twenty percent of that Or outside contracts at the department of ed is probably the largest Last year it was eight billion dollar outside contracting budgets A lot of you know that could be trimmed. is a lot of waste In some of those contracts that would certainly be looking at some of those outside contracts in the case of a homeless shelters There was at one large contract That wasn't what it as far as i know by the controller. And i'm talking about the bronx parent housing network by victor rivera. Who was Exposed in a new york times. Expose today expose where they found a lot of corruption. A lot of insider dealings A lot of mixing and co mingling of what prompted not for profits so on a on a quarter of a billion dollar contracts and at the same time there were allegations of sexual abuse By women in the shelter. And i think that's still being investigated and potentially being prosecuted but a lot of that have come out in a routine audit had some of the largest contracts outside contracts have been been officially what it is through the controller's office and you've talked about heard you talk about those audits. Also how much we contract out. Maybe some should be brought in house or saying like what functions and are you including some of the functions now provided by nonprofit providers or what we'd be brought in house it potentially you know there's another problem with nonprofit we And it was a problem when i was chair of the finance committee and even a bigger problem now. Is that a lot of for profits. Who are doing services at the city is really should be doing in some cases Often can't afford to lay out the money. And in some cases they're not getting reimbursed for up to a year Which is really outrageous. There's no reason why we can't streamline the process and have every vendor who's contracting with the city of new york Paid within thirty days. What what as controller. What would you do about that. Because it's obviously an executive function Monory managing the contracts not necessarily cutting the checks. What would you. What could you do controller streamline the process you have a dedicated personnel to expediting find out. What's the issue. Why there's a reason people should get paid. I can't tell you. How many not for profit providers Have told me when. I was the finance committee and i've heard it simpson that they'd rather not accept a city money even though they think they do a good job because they can't afford it they can't afford to the laid out and that's not not productive for the city s not ducted to them so i think something major done in that area. And let's go back to your borough offices. This is an interesting idea. I hadn't heard before. But i'm trying to understand exactly what the services the controller provides. Small businesses are there services. That are provided. Now that you think should be decentralized or saying there is a new suite of services that controller should provide that. The mayor's office doesn't already do well. There's a whole new Amount of services that people should be accessing because of covid nineteen because of the pandemic Because we're getting all this federal stimulus money and state stimulus mighty. There's so many additional programs that didn't exist last year and will exist over the next three four. Five years in those offices could be used to help small businesses and Help you know m. Wb businesses are trying to access a some of that money and streamline some of it so as chief financial officer of the city de legitimate function for the control to get involved in. So i would hope that borough is served that functions of course Every controller in recent history has had liaisons with all sorts of ethnic communities and holiday celebrations. In what have you done. Be out of our offices because that's already being done Adams la you know one. Set the street at municipal building. Some of that could be transferred over to borrow offices which are involved You know in in communities which have more of an ethnic base and a lotta. That could be used that as well understood understood. Thank you very much just if we manage to our lightning round quick. Yes or no type of Answers if you would please i. You support requiring mandatory deposits into a rainy day fund when the economy is growing and limiting those limiting withdrawals from that fund only times of recessions and severe emergencies. Yes should the city significantly increase the size of its retiree health benefits trust fund to address the outstanding one hundred nine billion dollar other post employment benefit liability aside. We did that when i was chair of the finance committee under mayor bloomberg That was the first time it was actually done And i certainly would Would look to continue that and And potentially expand on it yes. Is there any circumstance that she required. The new york state financial control board to be empowered to approve city fiscal actions. While i would try to avoid it You know certainly in seventy five. That's what happened. when it was created the emerging financial. It should still be there. I think the as tool when necessary. But i think it's a it's important to To avoid that on a scale from one being not very familiar to five being extremely familiar how would you rate yourself. Unfamiliarity with generally accepted accounting principles. I would say four or five. Something i've gotten to know. I'm not a cpa. But i am an attorney and Would have been an investment banker for twenty five years so us could be a five. But i'll say i'll say four four and a half and for the last question. Please choose your own topic from new york city music food or sports. Pick one of those music sports music. Using what is your favorite one thousand. Nine hundred seventy s new york city music genre disco punk or hip hop or i would say okay. Well thank you very much david. Thanks very much for joining us today. Thank you andrew. And let me just point out. I was the citizen budget commission. Trustee for at least fifteen years maybe longer. Well thank you very much and thank you for your service and have a great evening. Thank you you too so that wraps up way for a moment there you go well. That wraps up. Cdc's controller candidate forum. 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Jeremy 'Fungi' Furniss - Surfing, FMX, Tattoos

Riders Lounge Podcast

1:52:47 hr | 8 months ago

Jeremy 'Fungi' Furniss - Surfing, FMX, Tattoos

"Billabong did this surf competition. They still serve, called the Billabong Pro and I'd go around the world and just like take a bunch of surfers. And then let's see if these brakes and then do a competition at the event like at the place and I'm going to have a film crew and come out and film and a little bit of a big thing. So then one year they came up there and they did a a competition found at the brake north of us now Lou and they brought a few like younger guys up there. You might even know the names. There's like Kelly Slater romish are very sunny and all he and a few other Lads. So everyone pretty much grommets then and they came up and served and did this competition. So that was like my first time I was exposed to actually Sports and and I was riding around in the dirt bike and these guys are out there, you know film crew and surfing and and living the dream and I'm like I'd love to do that, but I suck a certain but I can run in a cave next to a surf spot but you're still riding your dirt bike and just do something sounds pretty bad. Doesn't that like I live in a cave like I'm some kind of Hobbit song. Hi everyone. I'm Steve sommerfeld your host for the writers Lounge podcast and I want to jump straight in and say it's party time now that I'm hitting basically the last number of what I can call myself in the mid-30s with my 36 birthday on Friday. I'm now on that slippery slope towards forty and probably a mid-life crisis. So I'm incredibly appreciative for the support of the rathaus brewery for helping me celebrate my birthday by giving free giveaways to some lucky listeners of this very podcast as a huge thank-you age. 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You may win one of these special packs coming out remember to check insta. It's on Friday for all the details. I also want to give a quick shout-out to my personal sponsors Lakes networking. Of course from Western Australia who are now working on my new website for this very podcast and I have to say a huge thanks to Jason and Auntie for helping out on that one. Hopefully it's not very soon and make it easier for you guys to find all the different content from each guest in one simple place. Also custom MX motor X in Australia GB Orthopedics as well. Keep a pipes tcx boots and race affects. I want to thank night of the jumps and t i m x 4 also keeping me pretty damn busy lately. And while the events are scheduled out of action at the moment at least been working our backsides off to get this new e Sports series up and running and we're actually finally releasing the first episode this Saturday night out. At 7 p.m. Central European Time, which is UTC + 1 or 1 + on GMT time. We have sixteen Riders from all around the world who are throwing down their best virtual run on the special night of the jumps course, which Ozzy adrenaline have created it will be the first time you'll see the night of the same level and it looks almost as if you're watching the real competition, it's so cool. And I can't wait to release it. It will be judged by you guys at home the crowd moved the winners will go through to the next round of competition. And of course the Grand Final I might also do my own judging since I am an accredited fmx judge, so maybe we'll throw in a special award over the entire competition to the best fmx run. It could be from any week and I'll decide that I guess by the time we get to the Grand Final there will also log Some prize money thrown in from t i m x just the spice things up a little bit and also a huge kick ass trophy. So all you have to do is chin in this Saturday off the night of the jumps Facebook page all their Partners like extreme they've turned twenty-five years old. So that's freaking awesome extreme been around for so long night of the age of twenty years old extreme or even older at twenty-five years the leaders in extreme sports. They're our social media partner fc-moto and a whole bunch more now that the formalities took over with no, let's get them out and they're done and dusted let's get into what you're really here to listen to and that's the next episode with one of the Elder Statesman of Australian freestyle Motocross is someone who has given a leg-up to most of the Western Australian Riders and actually a whole bunch of Aussies from all over the country funghi. If you remember that name was actually quite wage. Instrumental in keeping one of Australia's biggest competitions alive over in Western Australia and a little town called marraige in a couple of hours from Perth. And if I remember correctly late, I think I rode six of those events. So I picked up the title of the most competitions ridden. I didn't get a big novel to check for it, but it's something it's I'm counting it anyway, but it was definitely funky who worked with Brad Chiddy and the whole marriage and crew to keep it going for those last couple of years and I have to say a huge thankyou to those guys as was something that created bars enough buzz in magazines and it's certainly helped a lot of guys who rode that event to pick up other shows and to just further their career and it definitely worked out for me. So I I'm so grateful to have that opportunity and it wouldn't have come down. It wouldn't have happened if it didn't if I didn't have dog. Jamie Gregory and malts and actually funky himself who landed me their bikes over in wa and actually funky even just threw me a show as well just to help pay for the whole trip. And of course Jason from Lakes networking who I mentioned earlier as one of the sponsors and building the website. I always flew into Perth. Jason would pick me up from the airport itself. I would then borrow his pick up a bike from Jamie or mugs or funghi and just drive down to narrow engine. Anyway getting way off topic here, but basically off I want to come back to funghi. He was one of the main guys who nurtured this really good atmosphere of great freestyle Riders over in wa they would help out at the drop of a hat now funky has moved into tattooing and he's absolutely killing it. I'm a complete Clean Skin, but if I was to ever get a tattoo, it would be from funghi check out. Instagram for the daily awesomeness of imagery of his creations and it's simply @jeremy underscore furnace on Instagram or you can go to his website, which is Jeremy furnace tattoo.com and I'll put the links in the show notes to make it a lot easier. He's working all across Australia is travelling the world. So you might even be in luck wherever you are bound to catch up with him for your next piece of art. So thank you very much for tuning in. Sorry for the long intro. Let's get this thing started. Jeremy furnace funghi the fun guy the farm. I I will probably say funky far too many times in this recording. But yeah, that's that's how I Knew You In freestyle Motocross, but you mentioned in an email that you don't go by that name anymore. What's the go look I guess I've got I've got I've got stuck with that name when I was when I was a kid and I had that name all the way through my ethics career and then when I finished up and went on to do on totaling, I just wanted to distance myself away from that as much as I could and and I dropped it pretty pretty quickly. So yeah now no one calls me cause without any loss always Jeremy and every now and again song pop into the studio and how you doing Mike this this funky around and you know, the staff would be like, who are you talking about your funky? That's all I know. So so one of the name come from it's the girls at school like old nicknames. I start when your kids so the girls at school is a call me fun guy off of that. You want to hook up with me. They just want to know how to have fun otherwise, so yeah fun guys. I see it and that's that's how it's dark and then I think somewhere in the mix free rahte ran an article and they've spelled as funghi. And then that was that was that stuff there and I was like man doesn't really proud of it because it kind of makes you think you got something growing on you or something like that. You know, it's like it's not the best nickname but I am so the cars are good deal with so yeah who who wrote the story probably blame whole T maybe possibly perhaps you'll definitely come up in this interview a few more times. So I'm sure let's just just blame holte. So I was going to say cuz I remember I think it was when I was right choice for free rider and Benny Foster was the editor and every issue that came out a free rider. He would spell my name wrong in my own home every issue. So I would I was finishing every issue with my name. I would type my name out at the end of every column and for sure they would either do a spell check off. He just did it for a laugh and just change it to Summerfield. Yes that if sommerfeld I'm like, come on fuck so wouldn't surprise me if it was Benny or if it was hold C or anyone that plug it up your name, but anyway funky is it but it's done now no more freestyle Motocross, which which sucks mate. I'm really surprised I eat but I am because you're just going along really well with freestyle and then all of a sudden I was borrowing your bike to ride shows in wa and riding a marriage in at the probably one of the best competitions in Australia. If not the best politicians think oh, yeah. Well, it was the best because I got on a Podium there. That's why it was the best birthday. Yeah, not always helps always helps. So where did you go? What happened? I mean you you were in freestyle Motocross near on from the start in Australia dead. Yeah, so what was just reading to the end of the Korean shall we? Well, I'm I'm just wondering what you went to you know, cuz I'm guessing there's going to be people listening to this podcast guy. Who who the hell is funky or Germany furnace because I actually was just Googling looking for some photos. I have you on some videos to to Chuck up a little bit of promo on this episode and made funky doesn't exist in freestyle Motocross on Google because that was a long time before, you know, social mores or anything that you're writing. So just a little bit of an intro who the hell is funky. Well, I suppose I was based in wa which is probably the most isolated place to to do freestyle Motocross. I grew up in kannada. And for most of it was where I was riding. So that's even more isolated and then I don't know I just yeah. Yep. Thing had my farm and then and then checked out checked out man. That's I suppose it's a good way to go in in a sense. Yeah, I think they're obviously had some injuries that took pride in the past. And then I had a combination of things. I had a combination where I shouted my heel which put me out for a walk and then when I got back into it, I was just living out of a suitcase as you do. I'm just kind of getting burnt out. I think one time they are kind of sat down at the same year my partner at the time she was until you please we went for the diary and my like well out of his twelve months. You've been home for like two months and I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I'm burning out the lounge in there. Yeah, and then actually got a thing called ugly had a rosary virus you heard of that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, definitely so I picked that up somehow on the way and oh God. And just became hard training became hard and got like a little bit of depression for their all my craziness. It was kind of catching up on me. And yeah, I was kind of newest off the turn on the move on and then obviously I was doing the doing the competition side of things as well like doing that not promoting and doing events. So just my transitions into that God Wow Let's go. Well, how did you get into action sports? Because the the little bit of chatting that we've done in the last few weeks, which is actually really cool. I mean we haven't spoken for years. I haven't seen you probably since while in person probably 2012 at the last marriage and I think that was the last narrow. Well that's time flies that they had. Yeah. Yeah, and it was just funny like, you know coming back to everything so fast and and you know, I was just wondering how you even got into action sports, but you've got a pretty cool story. So I'm going to let you tell it well, how you even log Enter freestyle because of whatever you're doing before so half battery back to you already. I was thinking the surfing and all that sort of spy. Yes. Yes. Okay. All right. Cool. Well first bike I got a Malibu as a bit of a bush bush dude, and we live in we live in a Alex Carol station here in Australia home, um, another viewers familiar with them, but they're like massive big farms. And the the oil the property got his son little 50. And then with that thought I better get him one as well. So I got a little little fifty. I don't even know what it was. It was a Honda had a steel tank was full Retros eighty. It was a piece of shit. I'll be honest with you. It was terrible. It was old Bunkie your secondhand and then and then I was writing that and then as you do you kind of outgrow then you get a t and then my dog Add was by see a single parent with me and yeah bit of a bush guy, I didn't want to live in the cities and the towns so he made him better money than a single parent. So we call a lot packed up and then we moved up the coast to a place called Red Bluff and you're going to ask about the Cave thing out you yeah, exactly. That's that's world. I'm like spicy. We lived in a cave in a hospital first, but it's a pretty famous s but these days but when I was there it was pretty low-key. I've got a really hard row to get in there. And then once you drive units like a bay, and then it's like a surf break on the point and then at the time there was like a cave on the beach and them lived in the cave for about six months also still in home schooling and not really doing home schooling but It was getting sent to me. And then yeah, I was just living there chilling out. No boy in this cave will there for about six months but every now and again we get it high tide and the the war would come in and we'd walk in the middle of night and swags a big wet and excuse to be floating around. So today I got sick of that and then we bought a caravan and then lived up above the Cave. The Cave is not there anymore or collapsed years ago. It was an actual cave have you were actually in a candy at the time there was me more boy another guy and I feel like another family mode of money just out of move there at the time. So there was a man, how big was this thing how big's the the cave now, we weren't all the case, but just in that bay just in that in that. Yeah, and then whatever locals would come up and surf so, it's pretty sure don't really knew about the surf spot until Billabong did this dog? Competition is still served, called the Billabong Pro and I'd go around the world and just like take a bunch of surfers and then those surf these brakes and then do a competition at the event like at the place off and I'm going to have a film crew and come out and and film and a little bit of a big thing. So then one year I came up there and they did a a competition at the brake north of Los now lie and I brought a few like younger guys up there. You might even know the names. There's like Kelly Slater, Shadow sunny in all key and a few other Lads. So everyone pretty much grommets then and they came up and and served and did this competition. So that was like my first time I was exposed to action sports and what not and I was riding around in the dirt bike and these guys are out there, you know film crew and surfing and and living the dream and I'm like, I'd love to do that, but I suck a surfing But up and running in a cave next to a surf spot but you're still riding you that bike and just sounds pretty bad. Doesn't that like only from the cave like I'm some kind of Hobbit well know to be honest. I'd rather be doing it right now. That sounds a lot of yours all the time. Those guys got there were up in the Caravan. So we'll hire all on and that stays with moved up to New Jersey. But yeah, that's the first time was, exposed. These guys are making money and I was like, this is this is cool. I didn't have I mean freestyle Motocross was even the thing at that stage, but it definitely opened me up to to the possibilities of making money just doing a sport that you loved not a ball sport, but actually just doing action Sport and and getting out there and and and doing it that way. Yeah, that's I mean, that's the hardest thing, isn't it? Yeah in a bowl sport you you're going to make more money than sense and yeah, who would have thought that standing on a buddy cardboard stick and just going out into the water and having a game? Or riding a dirt bike is going to make money. I never would have thought that possible but most definitely so after that kind of played out my grandparents are pretty often horribly. They have a kind of think in Germany's to get education. It helps you have a survey sold the farm and then they moved up to to the town just cannot happen. And then and then I moved in to Cavern with my moved in with my grandparents house and I just kept on doing his thing and then also around about the same time. That's when the the old Crusty Demons video is start of the the pier so, you know, you get them on those types. And yeah, you watch one twenty million times and just press stop and Rewind and get you the best bit again and check it out. And and and that kind of hook me as most often did back then and everything else watching on those crusty videos. I had in my backyard like all that desert terrain was in my backyard. So hey. I was yeah rotting Australia's version of Ocotillo Wells I suppose in connivance so ya know why yeah, and what bike did you have at that point, I think on a well I was riding not on my eighties. I've got to a d s a t and I started jumping that was yeah, that was one of my fave bikes. Yeah, so so after that all boy, I got over it so he sold the back on me cuz I was jumping up and he thought I'd buy him a quad and that'll stop and I'll just solid job in the quad and a nicely wrapped it around a gum tree and moved and then we fixed it up and then I opened the June trying to jump that do tricks like dead crashed in, you know, quads bounced around and fall apart. So that after that dad's like okay, we're gonna have to get you a motocross bike and then once we got that then then things are you know going up a game? Yeah, and then yeah, the finally got the 250 and then and then away we went went from there. That's awesome. So here you are in carnarvon. Basically Australian version of what you're watching on Crusty Demons and you've got a 250 finally. That's awesome. And so you would have just been riding that on your own or did you have a bunch of mates there that were also cool off that stage pretty much on my own as a couple of Mark Myers, but they weren't really pushing it. Like I was I mean, I just like having a fun weekend, but I was all in like the blinkers are wrong. I was always so yeah, it's doing that rotting in the Hills just scoping out jumps and things like that. I didn't really have much idea of ramps at that stage and then I was really into drawing as well. And then I actually I think a magazine came out. I was called Moto X writer or something. Yeah, and I just rang him and said hey, do you guys want cartoons and that like what I was a kid, I wouldn't be like 15 or 16 unless you guys want to do like cartoons, you know, I got a Santa some stuff and we'll see over run it off a drop this cartoon thing for him and set it off and and then I got hooked up with that. So I started doing cartoons in the in the Motocross magazine that'll come out each month. And then it's also and from their dream for a kid and then from there that's how I kind of got introduced to different writers and I got to keep a photograph the state and yeah home and so this was just all just for the hell of it you drawing cartoons and cruising around you you're in magazines back then that's pretty damn Nolly like oh that's just showing a little bit of initiative, isn't it? Yeah. I look back now. I'll take man just as kid just bring it cuz you didn't have mobile phones or in the internet, but, you know call and people you just I remembered it looking in the wrong. And I saw the phone number and I was going to get him call. You know, I just rang up. Hey, how you doing mind and and I went with it. So yeah just bought this thing doesn't lucky I guess that's crazy. So you've gone from canevin you free riding all around and you basically come into contact with Holt see somewhere along the line here already spoken about him, but that's how it started that magazine actually what holds he got you into the magazine around so I was off doing the cartoons and then there was a guy in Wy that was doing fmx really? Well Josh madly. He was probably like the oh, yeah. I remember it was the first kind of hyper like serious writing rock song guy in in wi for sure. And so here's kind of blowing up. He just did likeness of event with Metzger and Tommy Clowers and Chris Rock and and they wanted to do a story on him so long The magazine got hold of me cuz I'm the guy on the ground and see how you can you organize something. So I organized a bit of a trip. So for Josh to come up and rub his compound and then on needed a photographer and I was like, oh who cannot use and normally I used to that that stays I was doing a lot of shoots weather with a surfeit ographer. And cuz can I was like, well that serve crowd and then he couldn't do it. So then he's like suggested I get home. This guy who also has a surf photographer leave Holtzman so I gave him a buzz and he came up and and that was I think there might have been may be honest. I was his first but definitely early days from the to get into the sport and there and there we saw you to the shoot we did the article and he was talking about doing a movie at that stage. I think it would have been the first homegrown from his from his home Ground videos. And yeah y from their talk about meeting someone and where things go in life. Yeah, that's how it's crazy. Yeah, like hold see if anyone that hasn't heard like the Homegrown Maniacs movie while they were movies first. I think those my three or four movies that he made really early on in two thousand wage. Yeah, cuz I'm pretty sure TV show is doing surf videos at the get-go and then it kind of like, you know, there's a mix things like to come along and he jumped on that and and the way it weird cuz I think he was pretty much kind of the main ones in Australia think it is like a surf Surf video that had like a a segment of freestyle. I think from memory and then yeah the way from there. You've met hold to you've you've kind of brought him into the fold the young father on the new Wing Young. Fella God. That's crazy. Yep. And so then where did you go? Like you've got into freestyle Motocross and actually then you started popping up in free auto magazine. That's where I started to see you of course and yeah, then fridge all did it become a job or was it always just a thing on the side for you? I think I did it full time Premier open nearly ten years. Would that be I'll have to go back and think so much memory is gone. But I think I like it isn't a mix of a good ten years five years of that. Yeah is good. Income as my main my main income. Enjoyed it. I'm twenty shows around wa or did you head over there? Honestly Wy we had a nail in wa and now you gotta think Josh volkening all that in front of us because he was he was the main one to to organize these shows at first, you know, getting contacts and you know becoming that provider and doing shows and I think at some stage they're just doing something ridiculous like thirty forty shows a year in in wa alone which is a lot. You know, how many guys are even doing that these days off exactly. So, yeah. So yeah Josh kind of said all up he had a down ramp, which is pretty shocking this like a hot dog stand and walk and and even for that for him at that stage is really early in the game, you know, portable trucks and that we're we're Well, you have to come along. So yeah, that's what I was thinking. Like. What year are you thinking here? Like I kind of remember to think back on motorcycles has how I think back so I thought maybe 2002 that because well, I mean it's a dirt shows and you know has it is dirt shows can be pretty terrible cuz I only bring half the dirt and its trying to use the saved it and so the hot dog stand leases consistent and so funny having I mean you've been trying to find phone know you probably don't have a photo of that but I'd love to see a photo of that first truck to get my yeah. I'll flip Georgia ministers you give you a look at this hot dogs dead, but he wants of that. You know, that was the the first step into the door and and just paved the way for everyone and wa from then on out so hot dogs eat on a hot dog. And it it got things started and man. He did show I hated so many shows and it was it was a good thing. So yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm like, I guess you'd be doing my mining towns and stuff like that or you just doing like the old egg shows or hey, I don't know the original shows anything anything big a lot of events come over this way. We had bought a car was just really really carstarphen rock shows and you know festivals and yeah all sorts cuz it was blonde UPS fmx was new then. So anything could get it in there and Ross had it was there it was done. Well, that's it. I guess across the demons all started in Perth. You know what I remember correctly the first big show it was yeah, they did that down and down and by the office, I'm pretty sure that the one is a little tour. I think they did. Perth and then maybe kalgoorlie wasn't man was when they went bananas and and a young Mike poorer picked up the idea of doing the Krusty tour. I think if if I remember correctly, I'm I could be getting my dates wrong wage. Yeah, but I'm pretty sure cuz the first one I did in Perth. That's the one where everyone just rolled the role the fences and just ran in like it's just chaos. I still on exactly. Yeah, I think skill is on the down ramp and he had a helmet and he's like trying to give it to the crowd who wants to home and and and then it was kind of like looking like we were just we just rush him and cheese and a friend of mine. I say Daniel Woodman. Hey, everyone else went fuc. I'm gone. They just jump over the fence and just ran Miss get down and that's and got his helmet. And that's that footage. If you change the first trustee videos wear a mask is life on that day, Oregon who wants it and the crowd just yeah just chase him down, but that's wa that's us in a nutshell every show over here is pretty crazy and And oh, yeah, I think all the all the crazy crazy events have always happen over in this other saw the coast. Actually I did a show. I'm trying to remember was with Shoei and Calum Shore and a couple of the wi boys. We did. I am monster truck show. Oh, yeah. I can't remember the guys name off of my tongue. It must have been like in 2013 or something. Yeah Trustees, of course had been done by them that the crossing tools were over and yeah, I think they called one of the trucks like the cross demons magazine monster truck and they promoted as a Crusty Demons show and like no I think it was sixteen thousand or twenty thousand people went to the home. What is it? Is it Bob agila? Was that the rice way or something out there? Yeah. Yeah, and so many people turned up. We had to delay the show to start the show I think by one or two hour wage Cuz people couldn't even get in the front gate it took so long. Oh, yeah, they were thinking it was across T show but it wasn't like it was just only sure he was the only one in the office is over here anything ever mix it was chaotic like craziness. I remember like going to events in a like Costa bus and the crowd is in the coming in the coaster bus and this be like shake and the bars and you know, I just like a seal on the paper and it's like I feel like it's a part of the Motley Crue or something. Like I was just chaotic over here. I do not know why but the fans and Perth just frost on the whole thing. They've allowed it. So good remember the board, but then remember that cross the one with they stormed the crowd and everyone started popping the airbags and jumping up on the down ramps and spin on the ramps around and Yes, I do. Actually you wouldn't get mad get that anywhere else. But yeah, that's probably true that the norm is what was bad like then? Yeah, like every Brisbane show that I was at everyone sat there and almost clapped like they were English over very good show, you know, that's not your choice. Was there an East versus West thing? I always look back on those days. I remember when all the guys from Over East would head over was like major news that someone would possibly head to wa to go off-road freestyle. And I remember there was like that one tour where the riding Northern Territory and wa and I remember all look really good but it seemed like there was an East and West kind of vibe to Freestyle and you guys stay there and everyone in the east stay in the East and and it kind of state like that. Yeah. I don't know. I didn't guess there was a bit of a notice saying I definitely off. Vibe and then every time you go over East, you know, it was kind of like well, we're doing here overall. I think it was pretty accommodated. I mean, yeah, I remember when Flanders found up the shoe his place and he he sent his own Honda over and bucket of bolts. And also what the hell are you doing in coming over here like with this you might as well have just borrowed one of these bikes would have been way better. Yeah, I'll I'll Brad Lander's he was out for it. He didn't mind doing doing a good five thousand kilometre drive and yeah. Calling again my father-in-law States Coast. I mean just a Guyver and and do an event unless the promoters plan well and and hook it all up. I suppose it's not really worth it, especially for the competitions and size type of thing. Yeah, and it would have been as like the same for the East Coast coming over here like it was absolute Mission so it goes both ways, but I'm not exactly so yep. Yourself you were a bit of a combo King back in the day. Yeah, put a couple of combos together. So it was that kind of your thing, like getting into shows or jump in magazines and whatever like is that yeah, the way you're looking for that or you know, the worst thing about being the being over doing combo is is many good in the Magazine's you can't really show a Kenya like if you just gonna suck you get that one trick. Yeah, is my thing. I really enjoy convos. I don't know why I just that was my little niche. Obviously wants the flipside come along. I went down the combo road. Yeah, as a dope, right? It's a shame. You don't really see much of it these days. You know, I'm not exactly I think if I was going to think of someone big doing combos, I'd probably say like Adam Jones still like he tries to throw in a fair few months, but remembering back then it was kind of like dang. Kinnaird. He was he was telling his room combo and anything he could yeah and leaving now the ramps that how that changed like, I'm surprised no one's like really pushing the combo box on my specialized window later on that. I don't know. I never hit one, but I'm assuming you could be able to really throw a few different variations out. Yeah, I mean, I guess once the the flip was coming out guys were just spending way more time. Just trying to learn that damn backflip. Yeah. Did did you get it home? So I'll get a little bit of vertigo him and so Brad Lander's I think it's hooked up the same sponsor that I was and he just did that. He stabbed a flip-down Esperance in the genes and then the sponsors like Alberta capitalize on this. Let's see any motor series and trying to get into to learn the on the flip in the in his pit bull and then I'll kind of like model send me as well. So I said, okay no worries. So they sent sent me over with with Brad and I had no intentions of flipping. I was just odd as month for a trip really and this government and that's a dumb party on the on the Gold Coast. So after Chuy's and you know, he's got the superkick of there and he's foam pit was terrible. The time I think he just come back from injury. So he wasn't doing any writing and his phone pit just had a winter where his heart was over the top of the phone. All the rain has been pouring on top of the on the top or heavy top is compressed the phone down to the ground and he was supposed to have an excavator show up couple of days early before our arrival to fluff it all up that never happened is a get there and we pull the top off this phone. Just rock hard and we try like, you know get in there and fluff it up a little bit and after about half-an-hour we kind of like to do that's all good and dead. So she always like gets on his bike and just wrapped one around. Yep. He's fine and then as he's done he's done. He's like, I don't know if I'd been anywhere so he's back to hit morass. He's got a dialed so me and Brad am I looking at it? And I think that a Civic kicker there and yeah, I'll just every time I try and do a flip lights out I go to sleep just a videotape. Yeah, I just get off. Down and wouldn't show where I was or lose yourself and not lose Consciousness and then I kind of like wake up and I'll be in the foam pit like a half second 3 seconds. Just just looting not every time but I should have went over there a little bit more like you need to hit, you know your headspace when you go over to things like that, you know, I mean, there's a lot to pay yourself and and I was not prepared. I just rolled over there and I was laughing my head was Coco's get drunk her party as much as I can defeat so went over there going to stay on foam pit kept going to sleep and then I'm off on one and I'll add them ahead. And I was like son-of-a-bitch that that really hurt got out of peppermint next door see if and saw and like that's cool. Whatever. I'll just have a rest today come back in the morning wake up in the morning and my neck was so steer Forsyth store and I was like, I'll just sit this out. So I chilled for a few days. It wasn't getting any better. So I was like, all right, boys, that's me home. I'm going to go back to the goldie and do what I really came here for so we're basically and just part it up for like a whole week 7 days. I like my party involved. Yeah and remembers their first off the pot it up and the last day went to the toilet in the morning and I just pissed blood and I was like man. Oh it's time for me to go home. So I flew I flew back home another children the couch or a couple of weeks and then I had shows coming up and I better go on hit the ramp and get a bit of practice. I went down to the compound. So hit the ramp my neck felt a bit weird landed. Well, that's definitely weird straight up the hospital got my x-rays break my neck. Whoa, I broke my neck and she always pit which I'm assuming I wouldn't be the first I think that pit a cup of tea victims is John might that was the first phone. I ever jumped into and I didn't break anything in there, but I hated it. I guess I jumped in there for two or three years. Is maybe yeah, and I never felt comfortable go I should have just went to dirt because it always hurt so much going on to his kid probably would have felt softer than that. Damn phone. It was wage. Yeah. No one you had a bill stuff back then, you know, everyone says kind of learning and chewy hours probably while the first find peace and I was I think it was the defining but yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah looking back you do differently, you know, like nowadays nowadays when you find bingo by an airbag, but yeah, well that's thing. Well actually speaking of Benny Foster from the start. I was there the day he broke his back and show his phone. And he if I remember correctly. He didn't even stuff up the actual sleep. He got the rotation around but he I guess he's feet came off the pegs and as the bike touched down instead of his feet being on the pegs, they went past and he just smashed his ass on the seat and yeah bokang Broke his back. So yeah, we pulled him out of the pit. And and I remember in you know, how hard that pet was even the phone was shaking because his body just went into like this song What what would you call it notice? It didn't have a seizure. It wasn't a seizure or anything. But his body was just shaking. I don't know why I guess obviously a new door was broken and you should see all of the phone pet shaking with his body. So we jumped in got him out of there put him in the back of the van and drove him to good old Boone a hospital where everyone goes. Yeah, Yeah, and he broke his back and sort of fair few broken bones come out of that pit. Yeah, I feel for you. May I know exactly how it feels except for the vertical. I don't have that. Well, yeah, I used to go when I first started on trick, you know, your dog called over gets a little bit bigger, but you can, can't you work out ways. That was once you work out that was going to be my next question. Actually. I was gonna say did you do Cordova's if you had already go the rest of stuff phone number? But just that doing that flip just it was new to me and I'll just try to do it to rush, you know, you gotta get your head in the right space. You got home late build yourself up to things and in hindsight, you know someone about wrong, you know went over there and yeah, we'll just pop this and see how it Go instead of, you know, pop the neck instead. Um, but flande is on the other hand. He was getting flips around I guess at the time. I was I was drunk on the Gulf Coast at that stage. I don't think he did too. Well either to be honest cuz I think he went back a second time too long to try and better himself. I never went back. I was just like combos for me, two people. Wi-com by King leave Steve mini on the east coast and you can do them on the west coast. Yeah, I think Steve is in the same boat. They took him wasp. Let's see it bloody backflips. Nah, I know that one. So you're you're on the Gold Coast you're partying it up. I guess you've was partying off. The reason why you're doing freestyle at that point. I look I guess you got into it a bit. I am verise that phrase. Laughs on each of the party has good really did home audience non-stop, I would do so many shows hung over or still buckled. Really? Oh, yeah all the time all the time. Really you could do a show still buzzed. I was buckled. I remember a few times there. I'm a one particular moment where I was at this nightclub and all the guys are like, my phone is bringing, you know, Bob I get to the show and I remember coming out this nightclub as soon as a walk out. It's like wolf sunlight like oh my God, no one's out and and the guys have pulled out running from the nightclub, You're on the light ocean. So getting the car take me out to the venue. And by the time I I pull in everyone else is on their bikes with their gear on and the microphone guys are getting ready to watch a very funny, you know that stuff and I'm like, oh God, I'm still buckled and whatever's in the system and I remember like just kind of run to my gear bag put my gear on and I like start my boss and the vibrations like you must have got to me and I was like stopped as a frog I doubt left my home at UPS. My ring up, Selma back on and then Verizon straight into the show and I done that month. Cebu times and how I never sends myself. I have no idea. But wow. Well, well well rustic hunting lost all living wage too much of that. Yeah. I never could never even want to get I didn't know not not not not cuz I always knew like if God, well not new but if I crashed because I was off my head I'd be so pissed at myself. So I I put myself under strict orders. No way like I hated even riding hungover. Like I hate being hungover simple as that like anything loud armed bomb out of there. Like I just can't handle it. I'm just too weak mate. So not I never did it and I thought I knew you know, I like I remember tune up with some shows and seeing guys like pretty off chop and what they're going to be in for a big day. Yeah, I could never do that. I never wanted to do that. I never could do that job. I don't even think even if even if I thought I could do it. I don't think I could have done it. Like I just wouldn't have been able to man that did not did not bother I never used to one time. I try to take speed and then wrong on speed and yeah, yeah. Yeah, why not and then I just kept getting tangled up in the bars. I was getting too excited. Yeah. Yeah hang it up but not so after off like hangovers fine. Why is not not buckled. Wow, man. I not that's not get a God's doing the sign. Come on. I'm sure they are but it wasn't me. I like I said, I definitely just I physically wouldn't even be able to do it. I'd just be that useless that kick-starting a bike would probably be too difficult for me. Yeah. Man, but what about even coming towards the rambling if you can see three wraps, which ones you choose? I'm guessing the one in the middle for the one the middle row just go for it. Yeah. Yeah getting you know it off, but I don't you know what? I mean? Like it covers the rent. You know, exactly. I remember I was doing this. Well, maybe I'm a compound. I had a compound it was all under lights and I came around and in the lights went out and you just you just hit the hit the ramp and the dock and you just know it. Yeah, man, luckiest a second nature. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's true and it's life. It's like when you haven't written for a long time and you get back on and you shittin your pants and you're looking at the ramp and you do bunch of speed checks, but then that one time that you can meet and it's just kind of jumped on what I'm doing if I just happens and you just called the muscle memory. Yeah, good that time and sorted. Yeah, you're fine. Yeah, did you get yourself into any trouble with the potting other than being pulled out of a club at whatever time in the morning and doing a job you actually get into a bit of strength? Oh, all right. Thank God social media wasn't around in in those days. Seriously Hobby in jail man, like really low dose to boost back in those days save you seem like there's only be able to to a goody-two-shoes but I have a goodie-two-shoes. I don't know if I'm able to smoke Friends Network, but we were doing stupid shit on Thursday laying. Yeah and to me I'll probably get the job. I said any of these stories on on that's going to say you've kept out of jail. That's the main thing off that that's what I was wondering why you haven't gotten you're not in jail. So sounds like you kind of we're all right. I was just a retard back then really like I was saying most party and and birth Like running bison rather than pulling head in and and and training but the games change these days. So I had you couldn't do that sort of stuff now or you can just hope faith is go to phone out and video on you doing what you're doing. So you said like you didn't have social media back. Then probably would have been a problem have a lot social media that now with the song with the phrase saw things like if I had friends if I had social media back then when I was living in konapun and just to be out of like film my landscape and we're like my own now, we're always writing. It's just a give a window into that that place is completely different anyway to anywhere else. Yeah. I mean, yeah and I feel like we're supposed to meet you can make money doing that now plug is Rod as well. That's that's the thing and and you are actually you said something about with kannada Van Holtz. He was actually going to come out and film it once but dead. It didn't happen like you could have actually put can I have it on the map those ex Matthew wants to come up and I was it was doing film shoot up in exmouth. And so he drove up there and we did a show there for maybe a month earlier and then how to give us a call to come up and and we'll film some natural try and so me and my might Pompey wave load the van up and we just drank the whole way like all the way the exmouth what time we got the X now full bar called and and rolling down the whole T's we just went straight to the public and then once you're on the pub all the locals are there you guys it back. So then we go on the shots things like escalated and the winter the point of the pizza and I applied choose a flight keep this soap dispenser off the wall and I went into the urinal and I thought that was so funny and and Pompey thought it was funny too. And then he goes, yeah, but check this out and he jumps on the of a handjob. Centralized big ceramic. Yeah. Yeah whole thing just comes out of the wall the pot the water's gone everywhere. We thought it was hilarious and I notice at the time but the head security guy was in the toilet taken the damp. So so he rolls out and and it kicks us out. I'll go lifetime ban from that Pub. Well, they kicked us out of surprised. I got I got back in my van and then I went to leave to drive out which I shouldn't have been driving in the first place and then I asked as these islands in the road. So if you want to like go like if you want to turn right and then take the next street, you've gotta go left first and go around the island and then take a U-turn and come back and I couldn't change so I just went down the wrong side of the road and then the police called me. So so he pulls me over and walks up for the breath off. How you doing? My you know Paul Jova. Yeah, I'm on the wrong side of the road. Yep, and you're buckled. Yeah, and he recognized it. Just how bad that probably is a freestyle Motocross. It's like, oh my God Jeremy. Hey guys, my son bought a New York. Yeah. Oh my God. Oh my God why I ever takes me back to the cop shop and he'll so nice. Let's do it was like making me sandwiches and trying to solve me up before Thursday the 2nd breath away and I didn't yeah. Yeah nice nice treatment. So that was all cool. Blooming numbers got out of there. I was all good went to this song house party and then another friend shows up and he's in a huge and he's got this local girl in in the middle seat and another friend of mine in the in the car off and they're like others local girl signed as a better party and other side of town will go to that so sweet so we jump in the car my other friend gets in the back like in the nude body and I'll figure on the other side of town. So Cruise along and it gets the tea section and we're going right and it looks the left and there's a place car and I'll just set my friend. I said don't do anything stupid because as a place called just they're so just indicate nice and easy and you know drive off on a in a comfortable speed level. So as I said a police get wigged, it was his flanks dellaratta. He's out of there and a cross around they give Chase and then we're in this like you'll be the high-speed car chase reform. No, no, no cops. No not crazy. So this guy is there's not too many thoughts in exmouth. We end up in a in a dead-end coldest talking over the carrot into the trees and then the other place a call-out pull in behind us and the second cause there and then I'm like, oh my God Grill and then and then the cops come over put the torch in as the same dude. There's like a dog So that was my trip to exmouth. We've really helped you down on that one. So yeah, that's pretty much the story of my friends don't matter cuz curious just not one antic after after another. So I'm I can see why you got burnt out. I mean probably didn't probably didn't leave freestyle. You'll probably need from it with a lifetime ban helmet, you've had some fun of it, huh? That was just a weekly thing. I don't like just the night why these things happen to me off? I can't work that out. Oh man not can't say I've ever been in that position. I've been a good boy. I don't do any of that. Maybe you might have gone a bit of something. I'm very long time now. I'm good boy. I don't know anything bad. I'm yeah, I'm good sounds really bad because I still took the sport pretty serious. I thought I did I came and went as a professional and I never I crashed only crashed one show and that's because the promoter was cheap and he didn't want to put dirt down. So what they did is I got all these hay bales off and stuck to his high bios up and then I put over the top and then as we go on through the show the hay bale started breaking apart and then I was midway through a train and then it just opened up a big gap and land in this Gap and I was like Bush and crashed out awesome fantastic from that like I think promoters enjoyed my company because I went there I never crash Right did nothing was fun. I play events and like having a little bit. Yeah, exactly a bit of a character out there doing its thing is a lot more entertaining than you just just standard leg off on doing the owner Sherry. Exactly. Yeah, it was fun. But then once once the Box put away the fungi comes out then the fungi down spelt wrong funky bloody. Hell, they need God didn't even know because when I was doing shows over there with you because you were my boss and I remember we did that one show. I can't remember where it was. It was a maid of yours that we stayed with few hours north of Perth. I mean with like a four-wheel drive or something. So the one yeah, I think it was full drive show. Yeah and we'll stay in pretty close to the beach and he had a bit of a freestyle set up now the back yeah Jake. Yeah, that's it and my God. Was there a very young maugans? Hm? Yeah, but I remember when you were the boss my we weren't we were not to do anything wrong, you know, we had turn up and get the show done and wage war unless you you can't you came down hard on us, but thanks a lot and I was riding your bike. I think that was probably more than problem. I don't fuk this thing up. So I know but it was awesome. I remember doing that show and like I guess that was the point where you were finishing up your freestyle. You still had the the KTM there so I borrowed it. Yeah, and then you're on the mic. I was I was probably have more fun listening to the shit talk that you had on the microphone. Yeah, then even doing the show like if I was sitting back waiting for one guy to do the trick and like I can't even what you would have said, but it was just funny like that was the best part. I was pretty good my my back then was night. I don't know what happened. I'm really about it as speaking the public now, but I always enjoy the old the old dog. I think actually the best stuff was at narrabeen revheadz. Yeah, when you got on the mic there, I guess this is before you were actually involved in helping them promote the freestyle nudist on the mic and the big one for me was Matt the Hatt Haggerty and how much that pissed him off and I remember like, you know, I guess you're creating kind of like the good guy bad guy thing. Yeah and just taking the absolute piss out of hags every year. It was just the ongoing joke is amazing. Yeah, cuz it took the hat and Haggerty my hat. Did you get a title run somewhere that I do? See you got got some stickers made that said, I know Matt hegarty cuz that's what I was saying on the microphone. I was like, I know my tag Ade, you know, my friend. I'm friends with Matt hegarty. I know mahogany and then hopefully we can get these stickers made and that kind of like fed the fire a little bit further and log Yeah, because a couple of years ago. I got Matt the Hatt Haggerty. I know Matt hegarty tattooed him on my leg. We had a little bit of a little bit of a pissy night of a potato studio and and Jay Holloway set it set it on my leg. I think I'm going to get it covered day. Sorry Matt, but I can't keep that one. There's a memory there was also terrible. It's showing off a memory over this girl one night and she looked at my leg and go on a mad hugli. I know Matt Haggerty. It's do you guys yeah, you know, as long as it's not good when the girls see it. Oh shit. So how did you get like, well, I know how you got into it with rev heads and and promoting but how did it go? Like, like I said the top of this that was one of the best comps in Australia and I was held in the middle of no way arrogant in wi what to three hours from Perth. Yeah dead. Yeah, and how did it go for you? Like I love going there. I was there six times and I think in the end I run the yep, I was there more than the sickest man alive. Yeah, I think he was there five times. I went there six times from the longest running competition in in those that was the highest office in competition and others. Yeah. Yeah. Like I I never lost too much money flying over there. Yeah, which was the main thing. Yeah, and if you could take it up with how he shows way over here then makes a little bit more worthy. Doesn't it? Can't do these tricks? Yeah, exactly. Like I had a good sponsor with Jason. He's working. Who's yeah. Yeah. He's in Southlake on the south of Perth. Otherwise borrow is Toyota Hilux. Yeah borrow. Somebody's bike. I think the first year monks organized a bike formula Jamie organized by birth. It's got the second one. I think I use yours twice. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah three times. Yeah, it was always good like the guys in wa were just so accommodating. There was always a bike weight and off maybe not waiting for me. You probably had to make a few calls and like come on. He's good for it. He won't fuck. Yeah that was getting everyone organized blacks and I was insecure you get a few calls and when I was bikes and walk so good as lazy about the event. The vent was I was different wasn't on the roof as a man. That was a bit of a another classic w a party probably event. Yeah exactly. That's a bit. Why did it disappear? Like if it was the longest-running comp it had the most prize money, even though I was in the middle of nowhere what happened? Well think of a recently I think Louis and kicked it off and got got it started and then and then TV and that were doing it. I came in a little bit later on wage. Try to make it a good, while we I think we were the first to put a serious course in. Yeah, and we had some good Robeson the get-go. I mean, I remember Jack O strong did the first event on a 80000? Well, here's a pretty sure he flew in got in a limo and then took the limo all the way to the event got to the the event and then wrote wrote an 80,000 full Rockstar. Yeah, I know. We it was a good event. We ran it for as long as we could at the end of the day the sponsorship money wasn't coming in. I think the location didn't help. It really needs to be in the metro area to get those sponsorship dollars through the the downturn happened at the end there. So we lost a lot of a lot of sponsorship through there as expensive events and I was pretty much done for you know, I kind of wish there's people would come in and put get some Pockets deep and and put into it off if something could have come along later in a more of a Metro region just never eventuated and then since then I think was just hasn't had anything to to take us Place. Unfortunately. Yeah, Yeah, it was a real shame cuz like I remember talking a lot with Brad there an arrogant and every year he was like, this is the last one I yeah, I keep doing this every year off. Course the next year, I was back there and staying at his place a bit and he's like my it's so much work. This is the last year. I didn't know again you remember these things that costs money, you know how long it's going to be viable. I mean at school for for the Riders to come out and ride these events and and and that's good. It gives them a platform and and that's what rivers was. It was a platform line for the pro riders, but it gave the amperage chance to come up and show their skills and brought against the the pros. Yeah, then today it's a business and it's Gotta make money. If it doesn't matter it's not viable choice. You can't run any longer. Yeah, but definitely healthier help man. How many riders came through that event that are now household names Jacko strong Jaws die very they're clean more. We also going through the mini camps in Clay Road one year or Robbie adelberg. Pretty much plain. Yeah. Oh, wow. They actually got Tyrone gilks. Yeah. Yeah, the tapes were heaps of guys that came through that you know users is a platform to to go on to bigger bigger and better things and thought it was cool. But I got to do my part to to push that and what was your part in cuz I know you were trying to keep the whole thing alive. Were you working close with Brad and and the narration guys? Yes, a brother Narrows and guys are doing all the groundwork. I'd come in kind of do the freestyle side of things build a course around the whole deal alongside burden that market find the whole the whole thing run around with all the different hats on and this and just trying to pull it together. Oh, yeah, man on a shoestring wage. Yeah, well since funny thing like we said it was the most money I think in pretty much any Australian fmx competition and it was crazy that it was their home. How did you get that sort of sponsorship money even to start with or was this kind of company out of mining money somehow a lot of those come back through from like obviously ticket sales and come through the gate from event loaded a sponsorship money there for sure, but it wasn't like a lot in those days. Yeah. It was hard. It was hard work and things are going wrong as well. Just wa I remember was just crazy with like everyone with party afterwards. That was 94 it I mean you wake up the next day and there'd be like a mattress on the course and and then I'll take one year a lot in town got stolen. I mean how many events do you guys who were someone steals a lightning tail? That's that's another thing. I remember that one. Yeah. I remember that waking up. What the hell? Yeah. Yep. Allowing sale. Yeah, I don't know when people were camping that everyone partying hire like Tent City Maven you look at on the course at midnight and then we people just drive ride mini bikes offer and you know, just carrying on and the Antics Antics going on. It's just it's what made the event Chronicle and what it was it wasn't the old girl was Daddy. I'm sitting site watch it all go down as finished. Now. I'm going to go home. It was a it was a weekend of dirt bikes girls drinking live music and not just good bushfires a bit of a bush deal for dirt bikes. Yeah. No, I loved it. I was every actually I remember one year when Jack field was there doing the truck is riding and he was Bears enough shipping containers and stuff and then he's like, oh do you reckon I could come join in on the freestyle and I think he got seven and he beat like five or six guys on motorbikes his job. Just jump on the 75-foot on that trials bike. And yeah, he got full gas and he got in the top ten and and I remember sitting in the judge's booth and like he just did a flip of a rock or something, you know may not nothing like half a burger and then it was like to be count that I mean, it's on the Coal Creek. Yeah. I mean, yeah, so, you know show he got extra 10 10,000 money because it's jumping off any anything that I can sleep is back off. But yeah, have you ever done? I think I'm saying anyone on the Charles bought do that kind of thing. I'm pretty sure Jack field is the only guy to have done that and he was sleeping big. Did he flip the dirt jumpers like sixty foot seventy-five maybe seventy foot damage on memory, but I think he did. Yeah, I think it was kind of like, I think it was like a little bit of a whip whip flip kind of a deal like, you know, yeah. Yeah what Lord I Champion get it around one way or another but no those are definitely the good days off. I loved heading over there and spending plenty of time in wi we did a particular sport for sure that early 2000s to the to the late-2000s was my 2012. What kind of satisfaction off our field is it solid? Yeah. And yeah, did you actually go to that homegrown filming session? We did like a day or two after one of the narratives. It was at some secret spot somewhere. Yeah, I I went to have my camera and or a few friends there, you know trying to get that everyone all the photos of guys. All I want to do is get a front cover. You know, that's their thing. They gotta get a front cover gotta get that front cover and I wrote in there and I remember I was just taking snapped and I'll just he's never home as I boy is put the cameras away. I've got the I'm going to get the cover shot just chill out and and their whole city at this helicopter there. And yeah, you'll drawings and this helicopter came in Shany came through and I think he pulled a whip and it kind of whipped a right up into the helicopter and I got the shot off and I got the front cover of fully tapped and soldiers told just no way that was one of the craziest days riding. I've had I loved it was I shipped myself every jump. I live a little spot that one. I was been block. He's few things a bit sketchy there a bit Rocky and there were flags flying out of every dirt jump like all I could taste was Rockside from adelberg and she Neil I just roosting it. I want to do it myself. Yeah, leave all this page exactly what he was doing the repairs. They have Cults. They had Levi's disini edelberg and Clinton more all at the same event and then look with ya on in their career. That's pretty cool. I think from memory Levi's and a de Burgh both did their first flips off dirt at that that little compound that little runs but really yeah, I feel oh, yeah. It was on that step. I look that. Yeah. Yeah, I think if I want to pop the first and then Rob is like a son of a bitch. So he's kind of had the the Rollin Rollin do it right on Sunset. He he pulled the flip around a member that cuz then everyone was so pumped on that and I went to go to another one of my 500 bum whip side done off of that jump for the day. Yeah, cuz he was like how long we need the sunset shot and you know that basically holds he didn't even wake up until the sun was about one degree from going down. Yeah, he's all right. Now it's time for sunset shots and took you out of the top of the that dirt lip and I couldn't couldn't even control the bike at all and I landed sitting down on the landing kind of on an angle and it just dead. Crunch my backup. I didn't break my back again, but it felt the same as what I broke it. Yeah, I remember I think you guys had to put the bike on the back of the so I could even drive back home that night to get Jason's place. I remember that jump that yeah that fuckin hurt. That was bad. I think it was I didn't break my back. What's it called? Did something to the disk? Yeah back to the disk. Anyway, so you're okay honest. I was like grass root events, you know, man, that was that was cool and I'd have to go find all these videos now. I'm getting all excitable little bit on YouTube or something there. Yeah. Yeah holds you would have put some home-grown Maniacs TV show. Yeah. I'm just pulling up on YouTube and maybe three twenty P probably took the least like the sheet is quality. You can probably get I think cuz everytime I look for their I think his videos on YouTube. It's the it's just the quality that they are uploaded in. Yeah. Yeah way back when Ya Dead. Mm actually has a few times as well cuz like I'll go and do a lot of the promo stuff. Yeah, Ozzy a gentleman. Yeah. Yeah, exactly know I loved it actually and like you were saying before I was just doubling back actually cuz when it was Cheney and Clinton and Levi and adelberg and all those guys, they'd never came off the same here. There's there was always like two or three of them would come every year. Yeah. And so that was kind of good because I was there as like just the young guy the the amateur and they were the thoughts turn off the milk farm Shadow exactly and and I was quite happy picking up my fourth places and fifth places always me and Rob clohessy am battling. Yeah, that was always good. So we were always like in the hunt for fourth or fifth that was out spots like oh, yeah get out of the way, you know, we weren't going for Flip's we were dead. Just going for the fourth and fifth. Yeah. Yeah, I think they rode. I rode one. I bet I think I rode one, Yeah. Yeah. Yeah one I did one one event their ride one and took the rest of them. Yeah. Yeah, so it goes I remember that was yeah Ravi Albert was I think Joe Brown, memories bad. He also said SpongeBob pencil was either that yeah. Oh, yeah. I remember spot was there. Yeah. Yeah whole bunch of dudes. That was that was the place. So you've run out of that and it kind of got too much that it kind of all I mean freestyle was kind of it. You were done with freestyle. Then what what happened after what was it 2012 or marriage and was the last one I think or maybe it was thirteen. Whatever. Yeah. Where did you go? What happened? I went back home. I'm yeah I was call log. I always knew I can I get back and I was nothing I started off writing drawing his cartoons for these magazines. And then the phrase. Thing came along and then that just took over but I always knew I was going to jump back into off and then I just kind of thought I'm done. I'm sick of the velvet suitcase my heel my head wasn't in the game anymore. I was kind of more focused moved from writing to trying to help other writers with redheads and and given them a platform so they can do their thing. No worries. Yeah. Yeah and I am happy umbrella that I think a lot of those guys would have made a regardless, but it's nice to be able to sit back and go all this we did our partner to get him up there. And then yeah, that's my back up to I didn't get it. Can I want to Geraldton and my starter saw the teddy apprenticeship to get back into art? So then the the tattoo Journey started from from dinner and off. So, yeah, it just sounds like everyone isn't it doesn't I know those old freestyles get into tattoos like men scaring I fear they don't think that's just had on his house as a few other Carlos turn on as well. Hey baby, so Gary Hart caring. Well, he's he's on the other end of it. But yeah, yeah, he's mixed. Yeah. Yeah, you just call back later on going to go do my apprenticeship. And that's that's my Direction. That's with my mom's just my friends. All my focus just locked into this this new drive to get into Towing and and this new passion and and and all Focus was was translated into that and and then away hell was it like hell was getting into Tartarus. I'm guessing it's not an easy thing, right? Yes, and no I think back in those days was pretty raw to get a how doing as well. Apprenticeships are hard to come by. I only got an apprenticeship cuz the guy who took the studio. I've met him a couple of years earlier like crusty event in Perth. Was that the after party or pre party or something and also tell Slippery when I'm done with that like when I'm done writing, I wouldn't mind getting the tattooing and you guys are got this studio up up, you know up that way. Yeah, I know and I yeah, maybe I'll come up there and here's want to go out there. Just just give the shop a call and you have an apprenticeship and that's our okay, no worries. So years later, you know, I'm kind of sitting at home thinking I'm dumb of riding wouldn't mind getting home. I'm going to I was going to do it. So I just rang and rang the studio and said hey, how you doing? It's it's it's funky. Yeah, and yeah, we know when you're starting out like what really that easy because you suck when you starting. Oh, give me next week. Yeah. Yeah come up. So I came up there and and start today tattoo apprenticeship and and then from there move back to the office and then title and ever since really yeah, so did the it was kind of a big thing back then like when you got into tattooing khong My Freestyle, right? Yeah, I felt like a ride the wave. You know, I can ride the wave in freestyle. They just kind of blow up out of nowhere and it's got popular and then that was cruising and then as that's kind of I wouldn't say it's tapered. It was tapering off slightly. Well, let's let's be honest it's done and and then tighten was doing the sign that's kind of like picking up. You know, I was watching the TV shows and things like that. So then I kind of like jumps on that and I was calling at the end of the way, but still it was it was on the rise and then I kind of yeah man Ted on and the first time I remote so similar in a lot of ways and I just applied and the same and and just progressed and and and move my heart forward and and a little bit more hindsight. So I've done the first our staff and took a lot when a young and the mistakes that you made and to take a chance to have a new career and have a new passion and then to be able to ride that wave again as a second time. It's so cool. So to do that and and how did you appreciate this more then because you you I guess you went up with freestyle. You started coming down you lost interest in it. And then you were lucky enough to grab another thing that you're passionate about and catch that wave. Like did you actually appreciate it more the second time? Yeah. Definitely. I see other artists and how they come up and and and what they do and I'm like, I'm not just going to different different mindset and the way I look at titling and how to get the best out of tattooing. I think a lot of artists they're remind me of kids off raised my mother costs and they're not thinking of it regulates. Yeah, you know they call like just all guns blazing and And my combat decisions and you know, even with yourself you look back at your career, you know, even a young you do certain things, you know, and you kind of like in hindsight if you may I would no doubt everything. Yeah, you can get it back and change a few things. It's like a few things and and they'll know there's no one in that years back then you know men like I think the new generation no famous guys, they've got people on their on their shoulder so I can tell him things we're back levels as raw and it was a learning experience the entire way and now it's hard on I've got that hindsight and then I'll make decisions in my thoughts and Korea and like I'm confident where I'm going and and it's I mean for a long long career, you know, I mean Yeah, no, I guess it didn't start out that easy back. Then. I heard you had a couple little troubles. We don't have to talk too much about it. But you had one place it was downright. Yeah, the first year had was slow me and another guy had this shop I think was there for three months and then I got firebombed and burned down and then to the wild west. All right, but I don and some shadowing design design problems file everything. Yeah, move on from those few years ago now and then now yeah go from shop to shop build yourself up progress. It's kind of like I always do potato in like riding. You know, you do your homework at the compound then you go away. And yeah and and and you step it up when you need to step it up and I'll do the same and title and I'll do is I'll do it in blocks. We're just work for like a couple of weeks that was in the competition then I'd go home for a week and then I didn't really like yeah, and that's I did my homework at home and then back home back to the next gig and and then the grass move forward kind of how you do it with with writing. Yeah, you do your homework at home. And then you go away and you're doing about and you step it up and then you go back home your homework again. So I think that really helped me with with Taylor in cuz I felt my progression rate was so much quicker than other artists just to be able to like concentrate on working out to agents and how to do things the study things and how to you know progress quickly rather than make those mistakes, you know same as writing you didn't know back then. But now, you know, you know, you know, you know where to put two tires and we put your head and how you know, put your body weight and things like that. But in the early days, you didn't know that you just kind of like practicing in the as you compound and you may need a ride and trying to jump ten times. Like I kind of figure it out and give me look at the video footage. I'm hitting the wrong spot. Okay go again. So I just thought my wips huge and I saw the video and Thursday both back and righteous like not that was she and my come on no way like that was upside down and then you look have you ever expect a good whip you have you got have you got one upside down what you've really been proud of high the worst one or two years when I was riding my 2016 and 17. I finally banged out some good ones. Like actually nothing good get it off. Just getting up under it. You know, there's no but before that like like I said, even when we're at that special compound in Bunbury, I felt unbelievable until I saw the video as I'm mad. I'm killing it out here, but I'm guessing yeah, like I said, you have that in tattoo and faith in technique and stuff like that, but I don't know. I like you you're that's your art. You're always into art. There's plenty of paperwork. I'm guessing that goes along with this sort of stuff because you're traveling now Interstate like you're not just in w c i do it exactly the same as riding you build your brand. You become a that writer. Then you seek out the next shows took me like a man for those for those larger checks. I suppose you could say there's more prestigious events. The only difference with this is I get the cheeseburger want to go, you know, not at the moment. It's a good truck. But yeah, they've rotting, you know you options or whatever the promoter whoever's call on your but with this I kind of like get to choose where I want to go. So it's great and it's Saver off. I think I'm worried about Buddy being rained out. You don't have to worry boring, you know stuff like that. So worried about opening up the door and the sons in the fridge and you gotta go check your gear on and do a show, Can you can't touch can you do that? I can't tell you Buckle that is that is how you can jump every five feet Buckle but you can't seem to get my Russian you get there. And yeah. Yeah, I can still happen the crowds there and and and Yarn. Yeah, you know your buzz and title and it's that's the one thing is different years writing a slightly quick highs in the main like yeah. Yeah, you do a show in its pop up and you and you start where when your title on it's a long burn, you know, I'm doing at a dome light hours ten hours for the day. I get an enjoyment out of it. It's a buzz, but it's not that Rush. It's like a a slow burn and then that's had a application at the end table. Satisfied with with the end result, you know. Yeah, I know Russian phrase. Yeah. All right not doing that one. Buckled Burger. Okay. How is the tire industry now then like is it is it kind of the same as freestyle? Like is it coming down or is it still cruising along nicely? Is it still growing up now is it definitely can happen like without a doubt is pumping are things going to pump for a few years yet thinking about tattoo on is just like so many Avenues. It's like branching out. You know, I am kind of my face. I like we'll jump seventy-five feet and then suddenly someone put a 120 in and then put a moon Border in and then then for the wall right in and then the the Tramp and then different Avenues and then certain Riders will just do one thing one thing only. I'm just going to do the whip. I'm just the whip guy and talents similar like at the beginning wage. Everyone did lot different styles two or three four or five different styles and that's kind of kind of a way it was and then now it's branched out and now there's guys that like myself we just do realism and not doing anything about realism and then as artists that just do black work or you know aren't being aren't they just taken it to some people just do a squiggly line or you know, I'm just using the hash brown or something just gone down these these very specific little individual products that they create with their Towing and that's that's very similar with how how the wrong thing was. It's going to go for a while 31 ain't going to go nowhere. There's people there's people turning eighteen and every so there's fresh. Yeah, and I think naturally people just want to decorate their body. It's just a natural instinct for people to cover themselves and to others and some or some kind of artwork in some kind of form and dead. Thanks. I can't say Tyler and going anywhere anytime soon for sure. Not me either. So right now we're doing this podcast interview and you went out and bought yourself a a microphone for it and although woah, woah easy up you don't need to go to crazy. But there was a second reason why you did that buying a microphone so you can actually off I guess. Come join the twin the 2020 - 2021 let's forget this year, but she is pumping. I don't know about everyone else. But Perth we are busy as heck. I am getting so many inquiries that it's it's crazy. So nothing nothing's changed over here. That's good. But you want to get into I guess you need to contact people outside of wa cuz you can't travel anywhere right now. Yeah, I got a little you can have to log class Thursday night or or far away. So doing online consoles or Spurs. I got the microphone to get the twenty Twenty-One and save me having to do the email Trail as much we'll see how it goes off is is it a fuel very weird talking to this microphone install a little bit new to me. Is that funny how it sounds isn't it? Funny how I used to do something. So natural all the time and always do the radio staff. And that's all that is the Lovette get on the radio be funny cracking jokes, and now I'm like a bit awkward talk on the car kind of lost it all. In a while in a while, it's been a long time. You still have a bike now. Let's see sold it maybe two months ago. Yeah, it was a sitting in my shed and I just sat there the whole time off and I think I never even styled it for like a year just sat there and I was like, I'm not get rid of this thing. Like I'm all just miles. So yeah solder so long ago. I got a little a little fifty sitting in there. Um, but that's about get rid of that at some point too. Yeah. I've known the fire don't burn to jump on a dirt bike got another passion. I'm lucky. I got another passion. I think a lot of riders just finishing up their careers and don't have another passion a little bit lost. I don't know where they're going to grow. I know that field and I probably I probably go into doing podcasts or things like that took me all that happens, isn't it? I got to I've got to bike sitting downstairs. Yeah so pumped when I first time ever I got two bikes over here in Europe and dead. Yeah, it's a real job and I've got 211 was for the track ones for freestyle. And you know, of course, they're both completely set up differently and yeah, they still sit there doing a sweep Uncle which is a bit of a pain in the ass. So it's nice little reminder every time I walk downstairs to yeah, what am I going to do? Cuz imagine if you guys might have finished out this it comes to the point now, they're going to say like thirty s like okay, you know the shows of the shows are finishing up the money's not there anymore. And then they kind of like at a point where we all got no trade just been wrong box the last fifteen years. Well, what what's next from bless you can kind of find some industry job or something, but even then that's what's going on the industry. It's pretty to be dead dead. Yeah, that's that's kind of the problem. I think twenty-twenty like right now. I don't I always wanted these podcasts to be pretty Evergreen not talk about too much in the way of right now, but it doesn't really matter because right now is a giant pile of shit and and I think I'd say everyone who's not seeing any action sports is realizing what's right now, they're getting a glimpse into the future of when they're down Trend friends gone, you know, the main box action sport Trend look at the kids now when will kids were into her you look at the kids now, they're not into it. They probably more into getting a scooter and going to the skatepark or eating healthy as can be a vegan or doing some kind of, you know physical thing but they're not they're not into this this thing as aspell past that it's moved, you know, they mean dead. Let's see for wise everything's just kind of different and I think I think right now this is a bit of a glimpse for the guys. Like what what's the future hold like once they're done that? Yeah, let's say freestyle. What what you going to do when you're finished writing freestyle. That's yeah. That's a scary thought for anybody other comes when you think it's going to come. Yeah as a retirement, you know home if it comes earlier or whatever might be or not. I don't really like banging on about it too much know. It's it's yeah, it's something I think about more like right now, let's get a bit of the worst thing about a sport is people can't buy into the sport. It's too expensive, you know for parents to get the young kids into Motocross and go buy a four stroke as too damn expensive. You can't with surfing you can buy into a you can buy the T-shirt you can buy the surfboard and you can go and find a way of and serve it but refresh my Motocross you go buy a motorcycle. You gotta have some land you gotta be able to walk Rod somewhere and then you can't buy into unless you in the sport. You're not really buying the products, you know, I mean like you're not buying you're not wearing. Yeah. They're stay Summerfield's. Cuz you're like, you know, like it's a you can't you can't buy into the sport. No one's is too too expensive. I think like I suppose that's why Red Bull kind of did their faith cuz I'll try to sell energy drinks. That was how you buy into the sport by buying buying the drink, but man you can Put labels on anything these days. Yeah exactly a sport. Yeah. Yeah. He's he's going to go boss good things white cheaper and got a sky part. That's the thing and a cool thing is like governments a strong plenty of money at yeah BMX parks and scooter parks and whatever else in Metro areas. Yeah. It's kind of easy to get into that. It's cheap anyone can do it our model. Keep going definitely Moto as hard as a little bit of a Revival with labels bodies one tends a little bit cheaper, you know me you can go and have them on a 1:10, but the bar full time like what's up for 50 units cost a bit of money now unless like some e-bikes a bit cheaper and then people can get into office not freestyle as we see it now, but like a different version on the e-bike maybe that could be something in the future that it's a bit of Well, that's the thing. Like when you were saying before like you go to buy the bike then you've got to have the land to ride the bike on my next thought after that was you can have land to ride a bike on but if you are naked bitches our money because I can hear it too. Right you're done even if you've got the lamp so electric that's where an electric bike for me makes total sense. Yeah, that could bring a pusher. I mean look at white bowling if you want to be a diet wakeboarder. Well, can you afford a boat? Do you have Al access to a lake exactly. I love working off mm, you know the two sports. I love doing bloody expensive sports to do. Yeah, you can buy a wake wakeboard and you know sign up to your skate ski park and go there but first I might of course you can't do that. You can't sign up to a local freestyle Parkway and just son jump ramps. That's not the insurance is 9-4 No One's Gonna. No one's going to do that. It's not not accessible and and has cheapest as it needs to be wage. Exactly. So I think I think you've answered the future of freestyling that that was that was well and truly covered their look what someone will come out some dive e-bike and the bar's spin around and Thursday is dope and you can pay for the damn thing. And I know maybe you can have these courses on airbags. I don't know something but something's got to give I think I think the wave is wrong. His crashing is crashing Stave off. I know about crashing crashing hurts, whether it's the industry yourself and I guess that's the problem the risk versus reward. Yeah, how do you say I'm with events? Like I still get numbers for the for the Dual. Yeah, yeah for the for the most. Oh, yeah, like it's like that, you know like back there you go to a Nitro and everyone's like, you know, they between 18 to 2:35 and they're just gone there with the Nitro never met call The Krusty days, especially where now you go to those events. And it's it's Mom dad cuz cuz Little Tommy he's ten years old rather scooter wants to go and check out the show em. Yeah. Yeah something it's almost like Saturday night. I'll be watching hockey or something that's there. But that's kind of it. Like what's on Saturday night. Hi if it's free storage light will turn up to that if it's anything else. Yeah. We'll go one should it'll still be there about how do you how do you get the risk versus reward and keep it keep it off? And that's the the tough thing especially at like we've had some young guys coming through and some some of passed on unfortunately. Yeah, like you said with Tyrone Shields who was over a w a job. Oh that was you know that old played out just after if it doesn't it. Yeah. Yeah and it it's not lie and he he could have been about who knows where thoughts are with a man and he bring rod in the mix. Without a doubt was he one of the guys like when when he came to rev as you would have just been like man. This is going to be cool head with his guitar and that's why I was really kind of get him over. Yeah, I mean and then he didn't he took the point. He stepped it up and showed the athlete that he was and it is it's just an athlete shame how how things ended but he took all the time in the world for sure. Yeah. No, I agree with that. Actually the the last time I rode with them, I broke my ankle and I was off and came home and since place about an hour up the road on the sunny Coast. Yeah, and we would just I don't even know what we're doing. We're just sticking around like just trying to come up with the stupidest tracks and like I think would go on for five or six pendulums and just you know, just being dumped. Yeah and have not seen on the Captain Morgan was that him Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and I can't remember why but anyway, I ended up in the back of the landing and broke my ankle again. And yeah, it was Tyrone and can pick me up and they put me in the driver's seat of my van. And yeah, I drove home and I was it I was that was the last time riding with him and it was just fun. Like I just remembered just awesome job cuz one of the best days until I crashed like I even as I was driving out of there I was like, oh that was that was a cool. I didn't know I was broken. I I knew it was yeah. I'm trying right, you know like you better make a sandwich and get my laptop ready. So I'll come on first, you know a bit of lunch and then we'll go to the hospital so it wasn't too bad. Yeah, he's just happy to admit. I'm a nice added my heel. I thought I didn't even know I broke it. Like I remember I just stopped the Lander and yeah that has competition stop Al and Ed. Oh good. You do it all the time, you know mean for foot back on the pegs turned around to go to the next one got on the pegs on I'm not feeling too good. So I stopped call the ambulance over or the paramedics and and they attacked the boot off and that's like I think it's just sprained. It's all good. And then I remember why tried I'll just get drunk as as I would normally do and I'll just pack up the whole night. And then when I finally go back to Perth, I went to the Specialists get my my scans and they're like, yeah, she's not spraying Jeremy. It's it's shattered. You have shaved your hair was like really son-of-a-bitch not know these things. That's impressive. Not just a break but shatter. That's good. Yeah. Yeah Kong gone risk versus reward, but you still had fun on guess and so brave heads 2.0. What do you reckon? You're going to I mean you're saying you're not too interested at the moment but dead. Is there a chance you going to come back and and revive or do it again Glory Days do it all again. You can what you do, you know if you can hook me up with someone who's got some Deep Pockets. Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. I'll look into it. But I think it's too hard. Now. It's served its purpose women. When I do this thing. I was proud of it we did well with that times a month and I think oh my God, I don't think I'll do it again. Unless someone showed up and said, hey broth, check out these checks check out my wallet go for a but these days that one's got that budget. It's all over. Even in wi the the the minor the morning of Astra the morning cool, man. I don't even think the sport is as crazy as popular as it was in a state is not what it was now, you know mean yeah, so we're here from from here. Sorry for me is Jeremy Fennell not funky. But Jeremy finest just gonna keep pushing the tender game. Yeah. I'm happy where where my titling is. I like where my brother gashes. I'm home. I love it. I'm hungry. I can live this life for many years. There's no I'm not going to go to a convention and and and snap some stuff and and and be we offer machines for a while like it's not that long and I can tell you for many years on Fiat and I'm healthy. I can I can sit and and Teddy long hours for for years to come. So I'm yeah, I'm just going to push the push. The other thing for them say see how that goes. And then I don't know maybe one day I might flick a switch and and jump into something else who knows sounds good measure just a quick one. Yeah. Did you get any tattoos like with any of the riding boys have I got any other one is some big like, oh man. I did my first tattoos. I'd cheer awe and I got a con Robbie adelberg into getting a couple when I was when I was very raw. So thanks Rob for the practice Bobby dazzler. Yeah. Yeah, so I got a couple of couple of birth. And then I'll tell you I think Sydney conventional take a motivating or Brisbane mother to who else have I done don't feel like football stars and hug me song and yeah, I got a pussies. Anyway, I'm still a couple of local Lads and things like that. Yeah, I yeah, you see three Riders out there, but nothing crazy crazy. Do you remember what you put on Bobby man? I can't remember now and I don't like girls face and his leg and it's real hard to enroll because we just talk and like rather me just concentrating. We just having Yarns the whole way through so I'm kind of like what would take me six hours take me eight hours cuz chapter much. So now I can't remember my first I know I did a rose. He was in town for might have been a Nitro and we tattooed him. Did this rise terrible? And then he I think he's got a job and since then and then he went and rode the road Nitro maybe a day after or something. He put his boots on and it didn't heal too. Well anyway, so yeah. Yeah. Oh man, the first couple of years have pretty pretty terrible aren't they? You don't know, you know, man, you think you think you're kicking goals, but really like you're learning home rule and this I'm just starting to think now when I did a show in Indonesia, and who was it was Louis Woods. Yeah, and we're over there and I remember Clinton and I were just waiting like we went to some tattoo place in the middle of Yogyakarta and backward three times. Yeah, exactly, and I remember we were just sitting there waiting until I midnight I'd probably Fair bit after midnight and Clinton. I just we just want to go just want to go home. Don't go to bed and Louise in there and after probably three or four hours went in and wow, cool. What is what's that mean? He's like a life is a fantasy life is not what it says. What what why you not everyone stops and looks at it and you spelt it wrong. No, I didn't. Well. It's got an s y not a civil and fantasy and now finish like that. So I probably should have been in there. Let's say an hour or two earlier probably would have been helpful, but very I suck any of those off to do any writing like no writing I suck at it so bad yet. I'm terrible. I can't spell I'm illiterate. I did this box it. And, we're right on him. I maybe wrote honor or something like that. Something on his chest full chest. I put put it in wrote it on. I got the stencil on and checked out the mirror. All good. Yeah, all good. Then he wanted to make a change to come in only wanted to do but we had the light redo it on the go. And then I also cool off he went and then he is at the gym of his shirt off as when your box are and one of the other guys guys. My Toto is spelled wrong. So I really am I putting I didn't miss a letter I put an extra letter in their spelling and then he came back on of a bitch say again raw in my in my title on days and these days know writing my other strict. I I just do my product and that's it. If you want anything else they see me. I'm off. I got enough part 2. I don't need to do anything else. So I'm happy but man for writing not my video and the illiterate guy out of the the writing and stands. I'm not writing anything. So what what is the business who how do they find you? Well in today's society social media. So Instagram Dodge Journey furnace on the scroll Phineas, if you want to help me up and and check out my work. I'm hoping to get back over to Europe once, it's done. But who knows when that's going to be on supposed to be on the London right now actually and that covered almost done. We could have done it face-to-face. I think last time I was over in Europe I hit you up, but you'll be driving somewhere. Oh, that's right. I think I was when I was heading down to Greece. I was heading north on up Scandinavia and you you're going down. I was on my rehab to possibly leaving Europe to her at that time. That was that was learning how to walk again. And I was like hm. Yes. I'm going to Greece, you know, I got warm and off now remember that remember you coming over there? Yeah, but so yeah, you're you're traveling all over the world. Basically. Yeah, I guess I not now with colon, but I I was travelling perhaps there for a while. I think I did one year where I did eleven conventions in a year plus a whole bunch of UR guest spots and it just a little bit too much back to traveling of a fact. I was writing it mixed again. I was just constantly like flying in finding out flying in flying out. So I took a break and then I had a bit of a tour lined up this year where I was supposed to be in line at the moment, but obviously covered so Once once the world's back to normal I shall work out a bit of game plan and and then and get back on get back on the on the road and do some traveling again. I really enjoy doing the conventions am not the most Aussie ones, but the the the international ones are really cool. If a buzz so yeah get on around the world and I'm doing some tomatoes and doing whatever you want. Really you're Your Own Boss. I want to go and get the choose my own accommodation and And I don't have to jump on have to worry about staying bad setups and all the rest of it. I don't have to bring a promoter 50 times when I get home and be like bras. You gonna put that money down. That's one thing. I don't miss firm not riding freestyle that that was probably the worst part is like am I ever get paid for that long time? Isn't it high? Yeah, that's crazy. And we've all done is where we didn't get paid or we got half of it or things like that. He like well, what do you what do you do is dead. Okay, turn back up next time. I hope you get nothing. Yeah, I've been there. No man. Thank you so much for taking the time. It was awesome to chat with you again. It's been so long bloody long is not to hear your voice again is a very sexy on this podcast. You got the podcast voice down Pap. I've had to change I've had to change our talk. I wouldn't say it's sexy girl knocked. I've had to really get rid of the locker Ozzy. Yeah. I probably it probably does this like now maybe I'll have to talk with you for an hour and a half or two hours. I'm probably start seeing a bit more Ozzy again it work and you'll finish up with this go back into the kitchen and be like wait, where's me with me dinner, something like that and you just come on down. So we looking at objects the employee of Chinese you got you've gone back you're going back to the dairy farm estate. I don't like it. Exactly. I had to get rid of it like over here. Nobody understood a word I was saying so I yeah over the years I've had to get a lot clearer God. Yeah sucks. I remember when I went back on time must be two years ago. Now everyone knew straight away like oh you've been away from yeah. So yeah, it happens tried not you know why I tried not to but in another way I had to I just had to change our stockings. Yeah. No, that's that's it. But no, it's good to get a chat and hopefully next time you're in Europe am not left catch up and do an actual interview in person next time. Yeah. I'm surprised you want one of the interview me. So I yeah cool cool bananas. Like we said, you know off of heads kicked off a lot of careers or at least really springboard of them and definitely help me Brave heads was probably the best thing I ever could have done it cost me every month. On maybe I came here even except for the one year. I got third. I was I holy hell that was a good little paycheck for picking up a little third place. So I thank you very much. 24 minute when I might a big smile on my face get the to get the like the big check do we have one of those for you know, not that was the you didn't have a big chance, but I still I still don't have a single novel teacher. I've got from playing in the cupboard the other day and found found mine from rev heads kind of got one sitting in my my mom's still at the same address. Just send it to like I'll take a Scrabble name and put yours in and I'll look it up if you could I still don't have one. So I'd love one. Yeah, awesome man now all good. I will cancel out with you buddy. We actually recorded this interview a couple of weeks ago and mum still hasn't texted to say the novelty checked arrives. So funky you can double check that address. That would be great. If you want to check on these Pages simply look in the show notes to go straight to his Instagram or the website to see his style of tattoos. And if you're Keen hit him up, I know funky is a busy man. And I want to thank him again for joining me on this chat and also for letting me borrow his bike to ride all of those events over in wa also don't forget to check out the writers Lounge podcast Instagram on Friday October 30th, 2020, since these are designed as Evergreen episodes. I thought I should clarify its 2020. So if you're listening in 21 or 22,000, this is done, they'll probably be something even bigger and better by then. I'll put up details on how you can be one of the lucky winners to win the birthday surprise from rothaus. With attendance that flips surprise pack for a few lucky listeners and followers of this podcast. If you haven't already taste-tested a tenants up for do yourself a favor and grab a six-pack from your local shop depending on what country in it might be in the specialty or the international be a section. So thank you again to the great people from Roadhouse in the Black Forest region of Germany for celebrating with me and giving something back to you guys the listeners of this podcast. I really do appreciate you guys tuning in every week or every two weeks and I hope you find it enjoyable enough to keep coming back. Thanks for tuning in and we'll see you next time on the writers Lounge podcast. off

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"NPR podcasts are now available on every major platform checkout all our shows at NPR dot org slash podcasts. That's NPR dot org slash podcasts. Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Jim hawk Virginia. Governor Ralph north of still on the job despite growing calls for him to step down including Lamont bang bay. The head of the Virginia legislative black caucus. I believe with us and said what he thought was his position and what had transpired. But it just wasn't enough continue to support him at the head of the Commonwealth of gene, Meanwhile, North alma mater, says it has launched an investigation into all past yearbooks. After are racist photo appeared on north page. Protest over jail conditions continued in Brooklyn, Sunday, even as electrical power was finally restored. NPR's Shannon, van San reports. The extreme cold played a major part in the outage as a polar vortex in much of the east coast and made set a detention center in Brooklyn went without heat and access to computers and. Phones. New York City council member Brad Lander visited the jail and described the situation on Sunday, really dramatized. It's a week. Now they've been without power with limited. He no contact with their family members much of the time on lockdown. So the folks that I talked to it been forty eight hours since they were able to leave their cell that take a shower essential saying electrical fire a week ago caused the power outage and New York's governor has called for an investigation into conditions at the jail, Shannon. Vincent, NPR news. The federal government is warning residents in the Rio Grande valley of south Texas about the heavy machinery being readied for the construction of a six mile border wall. Texas public radio's Reynaldo lonzo's junior reports the plan is being met with opposition from community leaders, local, landowners, and native American tribe. The no border wall movement has been meeting in mcallen, Texas for months. Local resident Valeo it's part of the high Dennis schone. Try. And is married to a member of the gutty socal MC rule tribe on the border because for us as indigenous people this land is sacred. We know that the the horror that's pending does the community understand the whore that's pending. I hope so in November customs and border protection awarded a hundred and forty five million dollar contract for the construction of the six mile wall, which is projected to run up against a chapel from the eighteen hundreds and the national butterfly center. CB P says the machinery coming into the Rio Grande valley will be used on federally owned land for NPR news, Andre leeann us junior in mission, Texas, Israel says it has started reinforcing its border fence with Gaza Strip a rectangle 20-foot-high galvanized steel barrier that will run the length of the territory. Israel's defense ministry saying the above ground barrier will be in addition to a subterranean wall aimed at swatting HAMAs attack tunnels beneath the border. You're listening to NPR news in Washington. Pope Francis landed Sunday and Abu Dhabi on the first ever people trip to the Arabian peninsula before. Leaving the Vatican Francis called for the urgent observation of a limited ceasefire in Yemen and for food and medicine to get delivered British Prime Minister Theresa May's Brexit strategy took another blow Sunday when Nissan cancelled plans to make its new SUV northern England citing continued uncertainty over the country's future relations with the European Union. Nissan says it will produce the vehicle in Japan knowing lend patriots fans are celebrating the sixth Super Bowl win under forty one year old quarterback Tom Brady. The patriots topping the LA Rams thirteen to three and a low scoring game from member station. W B you are in Boston semen Raoult's reports of room full of Boston University students celebrates one of the big moments in last night's game. Aniston Miller of New Jersey has long supported the team. And watching the pets win among fellow New England fans now Miller feels vindicated. Aside of here. We have no one supporting us. So everyone going against us. This is kind of like our big karma. We win. North says, she hopes to enjoy the pats victory parade tomorrow for NPR news. I'm Simone Rios in Boston at the weekend box office glass. Kept a fragile hold on the number one spot for the third time. While the upside stayed in close second, the weekends only. Big newcomer, miss Bala landed in third place. Aqua man came in fourth followed by Spiderman into the spider verse and green book. I'm Jim hawk NPR news in Washington.

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NPR News: 02-03-2019 3PM ET

"NPR podcasts are now available on every major platform checkout all our shows at NPR dot org slash podcasts. That's NPR dot org slash podcasts. Live from NPR news in Washington. I'm Barbara Klein Virginia governor Ralph Northam is still being called on to step down. Despite his statement yesterday that he was not in a racist. Photograph that surfaced from his nineteen Eighty-four medical school yearbook page among the lawmakers not satisfied with north explanation is a former ally Lamont bag beef the of Virginia's legislative black caucus. I believe with us and said what he really thought was his position and what had transpired. But it just wasn't enough continue to support him at the head of the Commonwealth of north. I'm also failed to sway Virginia's democratic US senators after his news conference yesterday, they told him he should resign. Protesters are back outside a federal jail in Brooklyn today. Decrying conditions inside. Is NPR, Shannon. Van Sant reports prisoners have spent the weekend freezing cells after the electricity went out as a polar vortex imbalanced much of the east coast prisoners at a detention center in Brooklyn have gone without heat and access to computers and phones. New York City council member Brad Lander visited the prison and spoke with inmates really dramatized. It's a week. Now they've been without power with limited. He no contract with their family members much of the time on lockdown. So the folks that I talked to it'd been forty-eight hours since they were able to leave their cell to take a shower prison officials saying electrical fire last Sunday caused an outage at the jail and promised that the power will be fixed by Monday, Shannon. Vincent, NPR news. Russia is warning the international community not to interfere in Venezuela's political and economic crisis. Charles means has details from Moscow Russia's lead diplomat on South America. Issues. Alexander Schettino in said nations, should focus on helping solve and his Wailers economic and social problems and refrain from what he called destructive meddling in the country's affairs has the Venezuelan crisis has unfolded. Russia has expressed unwavering support for its ally President Nicolas Maduro will accusing the US of orchestrating a coup with its support for the Venezuelan opposition the Kremlin, which provides military aid to Venezuela has also warned of catastrophic consequences should the US interfere militarily. Meanwhile, President Trump isn't ruling out a US military role telling CBS news on Sunday that sending American troops to Venezuela was quote an option for NPR news. I'm Charles Maine's in Moscow. President Trump also told CBS he stands by his disagreement with his intelligence officials on threats to the nation. He says President Bush's Intel team said Iraq's Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and got the US into a war. It shouldn't have been in. This is NPR. India has lodged a diplomatic protest at the US embassy in Delhi after dozens of Indian students in the US were arrested for immigration fraud. They had applied to a fake university set up by the US government in a sting operation, but some other Indian nationals were involved in getting their visas illegally. And Shushmita paddock reports. The Indian government wants the two groups handled differently. India's ministry of student affairs says it is managed to reach thirty students out of those detained. They were enrolled in a fake Detroit university. It is asking US officials to treat the students differently from the Indians who were running the visa racket. They have also been arrested and fees up to five years in prison. If convicted Sushmita paddock in Mumbai in Atlanta this evening, the Los Angeles Rams and New England Patriots faceoff in Super Bowl. Fifty three Emma hurt has a preview the last time the ram. Made it to a SuperBowl was in two thousand two when they were known as the Saint Louis Rams and they lost to the patriots. The patriots have played in seven other Super Bowl since that game quarterback Tom Brady and head coach Bill Belichick. Both have five championship rings already. The Rams head coach Sean McVay is the youngest in the league. He's also the youngest head coach in Super Bowl history. It's a homecoming of sorts for McVeigh who grew up playing football in Atlanta city officials say about one hundred and fifty thousand people have flown into town for the game. The city's Metro Rail service is running twenty four hours through Monday for NPR news. I'm hurt in Atlanta. And I'm Barbara Klein NPR news in Washington.

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Episode 167 Planning For The City's Future

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24:55 min | 2 years ago

Episode 167 Planning For The City's Future

"Gotten off the phone with one member of the New York City Council talking about violence and policing and community investment in Brownsville and now we are going to bring on another member of the New York City the council talk about <hes> another set of of issues. We're going to be joined momentarily by city council member. Brad Lander also Brooklyn who <hes> really has had his hands in a few different different pressing issues from <hes> legislation. He's working on related to reckless drivers in the city. We've seen a lot more attention on use of the streets <hes> this this uptick uptick in cyclist and pedestrian fatalities and injuries that we've had accounts member landers working on that issue but then also <hes> big <hes> other citywide issues related to planning and Housing and school desegregation so we're GonNa Bring Councilmember Lander on to discuss some of those issues and more more and let's bring councilmember lander now. Thanks for joining us here in W._B._A._I.. Thank you so much great to be with you and props to my colleague Illegality Samuel and obviously our hearts go out to her and her community and the leadership that she is providing and the way people are coming together is is really inspiring so thanks for having us. Well indeed yeah. There's been <hes> you know. We didn't even get to all the details with her about how the community has responded and <hes> you know really people have come together over the last <hes> few days to to bring a lot of folks together to talk about the path ahead <hes> in terms of your work councilmember lander. Let's start with <hes> this issue of of better planning in the city. How do you boil down for listeners. They're not like us. <hes> Jarrett Myself You. Who are you know every day. <hes> taking stock of the you know the blood and got some city government but what is what is the the need that you're pointing to yeah well. We really saw it last week. You didn't need to be you know planning you want last week to notice that we had blackouts and street flooding and jails that were too hot to have have human beings in and subway failures right right and left our our infrastructure is straining <hes> our city continues to grow people keep coming here and we're not really making plans to deal with it so so on the challenges of affordability on the challenges of infrastructure on the challenges of climate <hes> our current planning process is not up to the task and you know last week. We Really Star that play out right before our eyes. Even as this Charter Revision Commission that could have said let's put some new processes in place to deal deal with the long term future of our city voted not to talk about the approach that you would like to see. I think people are familiar with the way the city. He does quote unquote planning now. It's the Euler process you have a proposal for particular parcel or even a neighborhood or rezoning or some other change it goes to a process it's usually ultimately approved some amendments and and there you have it tends to move kind of issue by issue neighborhood by neighborhood who or even block by block <hes> you're talking about. I think is something very different. How would that. How would that work yeah? <hes> let me say a little more about what I think is failing and then I'll talk talk about this idea for comprehensive planning that counts member Antonio they know so on a big coalition of grassroots and community groups and we have proposed you know but right now the city uses Euler the uniform land use review procedure which was codified in nineteen seventy five when our cities challenge was really abandonment much more than growth just a totally totally different time and it is as you say a project-by-project and reactive process so a developer comes forward and says I'd like to make this change. Let's consider red or a city hall says. Hey we picked that neighborhood. <hes> for a proposal and we don't have to really gonNa tell you why or where that fits in with anything bigger and we're going to move through and of because that kind of reactive process. I is bereft of real strategic citywide vision or shared goals or values or even any connection just to our long term infrastructure in capital planning so that's a bad place to start but it also just lands in this shrill shrill tug of war where whatever the development interest is in that neighborhood is pushing to get it done <hes> folks around there in the neighborhood you you know we we all love our a lot of things about our neighborhoods of the way they are so people aren't into growth. They think that developers are getting over so they kinda dig in and you wind wind up with this shrill a we call revenue versus. Nimby doom loop the real estate board of New York and kind of pro growth interest <hes> against folks who are skeptical skeptical of growth and we never wind up with serious conversation about how to Balance Plan for share fairly <hes> and invest in the infrastructure picture for the kinds of growth that we need so we want to do is say all right every so often and we're pretty open. We could do it every ten years like a lot of cities. Do we could do it every four years on the Merrill Cycle say let's take a step back and plan broadly for the kinds of land use and infrastructure decisions. We WanNa make let's measure is your those problems track. The affordability problems figure out what infrastructure is most strained think about how we want to share growth more fairly and make sure that its benefits and its burdens burdens are shared fairly across communities and keep an eye on these long term issues of sustainability and resilience and climate change and and try to put a broad citywide strategic plan together that brings our infrastructure planning and our capital plan and our land use planning in the subsequent rezoning and development proposals that we're GONNA make we're not going to get every detail but at least we have a shared set of values some share data analysis <hes> <hes> and a set of guiding principles and goals that will shape the subsequent decisions we make and then after that when we put the capital budget together her when zoning and land use actions come they have to be measured against the plan and if they're aligned with it then they moved forward smoothly and if they're not <hes>. <hes> then they have a harder time is part of the premise for that argument and idea that New York City simply needs needs to grow much more that needs to be much denser in order to achieve various policy goals is that is that part of what underlies realized this this movement and if so how do you how do you then sell that because as you mentioned anywhere you go there there is generally some resistance to to the city growing denser. I guess I wonder if if a citywide approach versus neighborhood by neighborhood is going to solve that political problem yeah yeah. I mean look comprehensive. Planning is a good idea whether or not you're facing a future of growth so comprehensive planning is not automatically. Luckily pro growth like we're GONNA face straining infrastructure and climate change whether the population of New York City continues to rise as it has for the last two decades <hes> <hes> or whether that would stop and it would start shrinking and obviously a good thing to do would be the ground you're planning in data about what you think is happening and make the best projections as you can and plan for it so <hes> you know. I believe that in the in the coming decades the city is going to continue to grow people WANNA move here they want. I WANNA be here the form of the knowledge economy that we have keeps drawing people here. You know a lot of us like me. I grew up in Saint Louis and I moved to New York and I love being here and I'm not I can't tell anybody else that wants to come from. St Louis that that you know or any kids who grow up here. We don't have room for you but comrades have plannings a good idea <hes> regardless of whether you think we're facing growth. I think we are and failing to plan strategically and inclusively for it. PUTS BURDENS ON PEOPLE. We've we've got a pretty unequal city. So we thoughtful about how we do it. We're going to exacerbate those inequalities and if we keep our head in the sand about it. We're not going to be able to get get out in front of it and we're going to have more infrastructure failures. Now you're right look I.. I live in a three story row house on a lovely block with a church and a school on one hand and <hes> Bodega and you know a lovely commercial strip at Fifth Avenue on the other. I love my neighborhood and I don't love change or new big buildings buildings anymore than anybody else <hes>. I guess what I'd say is. I think we have a better chance of <hes> making good plans together. If we all try to face it honestly and think about what the challenges are and what the burdens are and when you think your neighborhood was targeted for reasons seasons. Nobody explained that you don't understand just like a developer getting over new and nobody ever tried to step back and say here. The challenge is that a city is facing. How do we face them together and had a we share both the benefits and the burdens fairly. That's what comprehensive planning tries to do and I think the best example we have for how it can work comes just a couple of months ago out of Minneapolis Minneapolis is required by the state of Minnesota to do comprehensive plan every ten years and they face a lot of the same challenges the different way than we do for sure but they're growing as well and they realized they couldn't have most of their cities currently zoned for single family homes and they know they need to uh now the building of more multifamily buildings if they're gonNA meet their affordability crisis <hes> if they had euler and it was like which neighborhood will go. I I know neighborhood would have gone I but because they had a citywide conversation they actually their city council voted to <hes> up zone around transit corridors and <hes> change single family zoning. They got a lot of work to do to to make sure that growth is inclusive. Tenants are protected <hes> but I think it shows that we are capable when invited in together to make planning decisions to to rise to challenges and to let our ourselves lead a little rather than just our most protective one so we want to get to a couple of other topics with you but one more at least for me on this <hes> topic and we started this conversation by you noted that the city charter revision commission which just completed its work and it decided what will be on the ballot in November nineteen proposals <hes> in five questions that voters will have on their November ballot. Well comprehensive planning is not one thing that made it the charter revision commission decided not to include that so that being said you made your case for doing it. Is there a way that you can push this ahead in the city council. <hes> you know we ask council member. Justin Brandon this last week actually about aren't the conversations around crafting the capital budget supposed to sort of incorporate some of these long term planning goals <music> anyway and so that can be even brought into a question to you about will why can't the city council move ahead either legislatively or just in practice on doing doing a lot of this on it on your own so <hes> Antonio Reinoso and I committed an op-ed up on Gotham to do all we can in the city council to move this conversation conversation forward and and I really promised to do that and as we start to face the twenty twenty one citywide elections. I think that's an important conversation. <hes> that really is about the future of the city. Eh that said we're going to need a referendum and some charter changes to do this right because the way it has to work is after you after you agree on a plan subsequent subsequent Euler actions and subsequent capital budgets have to have a strong incentive or requirement or poll to follow the plan land and right now the charter lays out the process and to do that to make it so that zoning actions that go through Euler in the future or capital budgets as they go through in the future have a requirement or at least an incentive <hes> to follow a comprehensive plan that will eventually require charter change but yes yes. The council's got an opportunity to lead here. We could do a lot more and we're working on some legislation that will get the process started lay out what it would look like <hes> look the council we can pass legislation that would go on the ballot for a referendum so we can't give up. These are big long term issues. We're going to have more weeks like last week you know. No in the in the coming climate future <hes> the issues of affordability and inequality in the city are stuck were stock with them. <hes> and we're we're not giving up. I I am angry like I think it was a big failing of the charter revision commission. They knew this was a giant issue. So many people came and testified they even in the staff report identified gamified the shortcomings in the planning process so I think it's a big miss on their part but we are committed to moving forward because we just don't have any choice. You're listening to Maxim Murphy Coffee on W._B._Z.. Were on with customer Brad Lander. If you want to call in and ask a question the numbers two one two two zero nine two eight seven seven <hes> councilman. Let's shift gears. Here's for second to desegregation which is a topic that you have prioritized a conversation. You prioritize <hes> you've assessed some of the progress to date and Dan. I know there's a progress report coming from <hes> the advisory group in August. What do you see coming out of there and and kind of where are we in this conversation so I want to start with a bit of optimism because I do think this is a tough area to see progress. <hes> the it's easier to make kind of polarizing politics out of <hes> and showing that we can make progress is one important thing so this fall in just <hes>. I guess about <hes> six weeks or so <hes> less than that even now <hes> about two thousand and sixth grade students are going to show up in my community school district. District Fifteen <hes> at middle schools eleven middle schools goals that are far more integrated than they were last September <hes> because we've gone through this process of achieving substantial approach to school integration for the district fifteen middle schools by not allowing the schools to screen students and noting that about fifty two percent of students in district fifteen <hes> are low income <hes> and qualify for free and reduced lunch and so the goal ought to be that every one of those eleven middle schools is balanced and that was not true last year the year before and it is going. That'd be true this. September and that's not enough by itself. The schools are doing a lot of work to get ready for those students. Achieving real integration is more than just shifting students around and had urged people to go to define diversity plan dot com if you want to really dig in on what it looks like but I feel pretty hopeful about that because it is is it's not anywhere near enough. It's just getting started but it shows we can do it that we can work through the politics together. District fifteen is pretty <hes> diverse in many ways it reflects <hes> a lot of the racial demographics of the city and we had a really inclusive planning process. We made a big change some people you know we're skeptical but the significant majority or supportive and I really am optimistic that our kids are going to thrive in these more integrated schools so <hes> that said Ed. We got a long long long way to go <hes> we're finally starting but you know <hes> we haven't made any meaningful progress yet at the high school will level our elementary schools are stubbornly segregated <hes> as you know. Most of our middle schools remain looking like what district fifteen looks like last year yeah so what I mean what what needs to be done. I mean you know I think it it be. You know even a little bit generous to say that the mayor has taken a you know a slow approach to this <hes> but there has been movement both locally as you indicated <hes> in areas you represent but then also even at the deal we and mayoral level. There's been some more movement <hes> recently recently and the new Chancellor Richer Carranza has certainly seemed to prioritize it more than his predecessor <hes> but what are in order for it not to take take potentially decades <hes> what are the the key steps that need to be taken yeah then I do support the recommendation of the school diversity advisory. Regroup which Chancellor Carranza indicated that the administration supports almost all love <hes> and they are a good step. One big step in there is to provide resources then start planning process with <hes> about ten other middle school districts that are like district fifteen and could make the changes that were making this year <hes> in another year a year or two so that would be a great step. Thousands more kids could be integrated middle schools through a middle school process like what we've done. In fifteen high schools are up big opportunity and most of the focus has been on the specialized high schools but we have about four hundred high schools and other than those eight the city sets the the the admissions guidelines and we could move to a process that required integration in New York City's high schools where kids travel to schools all across the city so we aren't aren't <hes> burdened with the kind of presence of residential segregation <hes> and that's a process that has not yet gotten started and <hes> was not even in really the a school diversity advisory group recommendations. I'd like to see a serious process on the screen high schools and New York City high schools more more broadly beyond the specialized ones <hes> the hardest will be digging on the elementary schools. Ask about that is an area where you know what we basically do is is have zoned elementary schools and we've got a residential desegregated city one of the most residential segregated in the in the country although we don't always <hes> really see it that way it is <hes> we're. We're doing something actually in my district. <hes> that I think is starting to open up a conversation about thinking differently about elementary schools. When new school capacity comes online as it it is in Carroll Gardens and Cobble Hill so I'd encourage people to keep an eye out there <hes> and I think it's worth remembering here that actually about forty percent of New York City's elementary school students and something like sixty percent of African American students don't actually go to their zone school so we have more flexibility here than than than we think but that also is going to require bolder action than we've been willing to take so far but hopefully both the like being having it called to our attention you know when Kamala Harris you know put it out there on the debate stage. Oh people will wake up and say ha all right. <hes> that's something we. Ought to be willing to seriously talk about and take on and then having the concrete examples of doing it in ways that work <hes> as we are going to see indy fifteen in this fall that push poll <hes> is what we need and you're right. We could let it take decades more. It is sixty five years since Brown Ras Board and we we have not made much progress so we need both a stronger sense of urgency and these real concrete steps <hes> and we are capable of it so <hes> I hope we will we have a listener call <hes> listener. You're on the air. What's your question for Councilman Brad Lander Good? Hey doing one great. You know I've never seen I live in New York on the list. I've never seen a city where you have people that come from Philly V._C.. To work in Manhattan Manhattan and he's like you know they were talking about the bike situation earlier and a lot of people have those metrics skateboards and UNICYCLES. I think I think it's I think it's wonderful man. Do Do you have a question question for us or just making a comment on <hes> the the wonderful city that we have. I think we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA we're running low on time here so we thank you for listening and thank you for the call <hes> agree with the caller yes. It's great that people come here from your liver. <hes> council member Linda will get you <hes> at Outta here on just one or two more questions. Go ahead yeah. I wonder if you know I think we were talking earlier about the debate tonight and obviously our mayor it will be on stage as a self identified progressive. How do you evaluate his record to Blasios as a progressive <hes> well so I I should say since you've raised the specter of the presidential debate? I'm a proud endorser of Elizabeth Warren who I thought was amazing last night and I thought that line she said you know I don't know why anybody I would do. I'll take all the trouble to run for president to talk about what we really can't do and shouldn't fight for it was just one of the the great lines of the of the campaign so far <hes> you know I have worked with the administration and with the mayor on a on a lot of things over the years you know and I think the we get in a litany of what the accomplishments investments are almost as like <hes> you know kind of not paying real attention to them but the pre K.. Expansion is enormous <hes> and <hes> you know and I think there are just a whole range of other issues we have built in preserved a whole lot of affordable housing and every single bill is hard to do <hes> and while we have not gotten enough done on on vision zero. There's a lot of areas. We've made real strides on <hes> so I I there's a lot of things I praised that said you know the problems here are urgent and they at the moment are just not getting enough attention. <hes> and you know on each of these issues we've talked about on school segregation Asian on planning for the city's future on affordable housing and homelessness and on visions the euro and saving the lives of pedestrians and cyclists <hes> and you know I spent a a few hours last weekend in the heat emergency and a boiling hot Brooklyn House a detention which were really like <hes> human rights violating conditions. Those are all things things that require urgent action <hes> we need a lot more progress on all those things in our city <hes> and that really is what I want us to be focusing on so come home Mr Mayor soon as possible and get back to work on some issues <hes> last question <hes> speaking of Vision Zero you are looking to pass legislation <hes> related to <hes> reckless drivers just have one more minute here but <hes> will you a briefly explain what that is and be are we we on the verge of seeing that passed or is that is it looking <hes> indefinitely on hold so we've done a lot to look at St <hes> Street redesign which is critically the important but we have not looked much at this question of the most reckless drivers and about a year ago my district a reckless driver killed a one year old and a four year old and it turned out she had five camera violations in the preceding year which put her in the ninety nine th percentile of reckless drivers but about twenty five thousand drivers are out there with a equally bad or worse records people who are really drive sociopathic Lee with their car like a weapon aimed at their neighbors and you see them out on the street. Aretha you know it's not most drivers but a small percentage really cause a lot of harm and my bill would focus on those most reckless drivers and say we're GonNa make you do some accountability ability program. You gotta get become a better driver or we're going to take your car away because he can't drive it like a weapon aimed at your neighbors and yes I'm optimistic. It's a lot of complexities cities but I'm optimistic to get that bill passed this fall so the program could go into effect next year and it's the car that gets taken away or the driver's license so the all the state licenses the driver where we do we could do is tow the car. I'd love to work with the state to get those things integrated better together but these camera camera violations tell us which are the cars that are being driven like weapons and that's what we'll have the ability to go after council member Brad Lander. We're GONNA have to leave it there. We have lots. 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Episode 232: A Consequential Month For The Police Reform Movement In New York

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Episode 232: A Consequential Month For The Police Reform Movement In New York

"With. Sturdy that either clavel's or cottle's the NYPD I'm jared Murphy from city limits dot, Org, and as Max, from Gotham and one of the biggest issues we just talked to you about was funding for the PD and whether to reduced that budget. Whether the changes in the budget, the mayor and council agreed on actually reflected a real reduction, and now to dig into that deeper, and I think we have on the line, yes. Juice young king, who is a director of communities united for police reform. Umbrella Group A gathering of a multitude of other organizations and agencies that work on police reform in criminal justice reform. Ms King Welcome to Maxim Murphy. Thanks for coming on so we just heard from Brad Lander in, and he gave some of his critique of the way. The budget treated the NYPD. What's your take on it? I mean the presents of the city council. Conclusively Failed in terms of this budget. They had a historic opportunity to cut at least one billion dollars from. Each the reinvest that one billion plus additional savings which could have been over two billion dollars to reinvest those monies. Directly into black lives next other means of color who have been most devastated by the pandemic, and who have been most consistently experiencing police abuse, not just during the pandemic, but before we expect after it must be able to reign in abusive voices and so. That's the first thing I think you probably know that over the the past period? We've also been really denouncing what we call funny mass that the city council and the mayor did try to come up with the numbers that they claim would have been one billion dollars in cuts and the reality is that where they landed is probably not even fifty million dollars in real cuts that majority of what they are trying to claim for some for some well. Let me back up a fever. Cory, Johnson himself actually admitted yesterday that they did not cut even one billion dollars from the budget. of the amounts of they're counting quote. Unquote cuts. The majority of them are were call musical chairs of moving police from the MIT to another agency in the city, including for example school safety agents moving them from the e to delete. That's not only not an actual cut because it doesn't reinvest money back into communities, but if basically falsely deceiving Yorkers into thinking that there's some kind of change, other huts, or what they're calling cuts. Are Actually things that the NYPD is unlikely to. stay within the budget confines for so for example they are claiming that they will cut overtime. used by officers and then something the council host claimed in their budget multiple years in the past, and has never been able to rain an mit overtime in knows it just the first week of the protests. The NYPD spent over one hundred million dollars, or at the city spend over one hundred million dollars on wipe e relationship to. abusively and violently police in those protests so it's a bunch of smoke and mirrors, and it's really unfortunate because we in this period of not only the pandemic in terms of the. corona virus, but really in terms of a emergency situation economically where so many New Yorkers have been devastated economically, wasp jobs with loss of income with housing instability was the fear of inflation, and also actually they thought of growing homeless crisis, homeless crisis and housing affordability crisis the city. There's a lot that reinvesting money could have done to really help. New Yorkers out especially those who have been on the front lines. Of this pandemic, really serving the city and instead the city council and the mayor really weapon not to drive. So I WANNA. Be We'll dig into your fiscal analysis in a moment, but I want to get back to your power analysis. You started with which is. What landers said what Speaker Johnson said, this morning was essentially that the mayor wheels a tremendous amount of power the budget process, and he just said no and be. We had no. Nothing to come back at him other than please and he said though again other there is some. Accident that the council does have the kind of Cam to come to the budget, but you seem to be saying that Johnson and his colleagues on the council could have pushed harder. Absolutely, I mean I think that is actually does abdicating responsibility as city council enough lexus officials. Say the. We couldn't do anything because this guy wouldn't let us I mean while he was not their boss. And there are. Specific. Mechanisms they could've used back. The speaker and council members talked about it over the past several weeks, so for example. Similar, to what speaker vallone did back when Giuliani was the mayor back in the nineties, they could've decided to pass their own budget and call the marriage, plus and if the mayor wants to threatens of the city council by saying that he would not find any schedule, discretionary funding or council initiative, they brought to the people because that's money that he was threatening is not the council's money per se, it's the people's money, and so I feel like there were opportunities that they could have taken. You know the reason for why they didn't. I don't know that I speak those that's up to them, but there were opportunities they could have taken to. Be Historic in this moment and really rise to be emergency crisis that we're facing not only now, but the we expect them. We'll be facing an undetermined spirit and. Let some dig in just a tiny bit more on on some of what you would have preferred to see. Can You? Can you give us a few of the sort of big big ass that were in your platform that did not happen in terms of the the cuts from the NYPD that you wanted to see that that could van free up that funding for reinvestment You know one of the one of the questions that was raised repeatedly by council members as I'm sure you heard was this. This idea that they didn't WanNa see even sort of newly inaugurated police officers. They said many of them people of color from the city. They didn't want to see them fired. They don't WanNa see school safety officers. Many of them have color especially. Women of Color Given pink slips in order to free up money. How do you respond to that? And what were some of your bigger asks? Backwards on your questions, I feel like the point in terms of school safety agents. What they did with school. Safety in terms of the budget is they didn't save the city of New York anything. So if they were going to move the NYPD school safety agents from the. Department of Education what they could have done. Instead was actually I mean this is just one option right? There's multiple ways to think about this creatively. What they could have done said was take all of that money. Make sure that every single school safety agent had. had their salary paid for the next fiscal year. Because that's essentially what's happening right now and really thought through a creative six months you know over the next three to four to five months saw through a transition plan. That would've made sense while shrinking. Policing and in guaranteeing that those school safety agents were prior will save. Agents had other kinds of jobs. I mean what part of what we're pointing at is that there was no attempt to really shrink policing. in the city and that was part of the primary demand. We investment was one of the primary demand, but some of it was, we had come out of a period, not only of a few weeks where. People across the country saw the level of regular, violent and brutal policing tactics that CRTV was again protesters. And that in another itself I think opened up the eyes of many New Yorkers, who had been asleep thinking that the NYPD had been reform to understand that this is not an issue, just a few bad apples. This is actually issue violent, so that even officers who may not have acted violently towards protesters were protecting their fellow. Officers by not reporting them, and by not actually intervening those incident and You'll remember that there was police saying really really abusive saying and and disparate policing that there was the city was focused on in terms of Kobe related policing or covert related enforcement. So there's this the Senate. least violence that we're seeing neighborhood across the across the city and in all the protests. And so the bigger question is what was what? We had an opportunity to shrink policing of this city as part of the F. Y. Twenty, one hundred and that. Would reduce some levels of abusive policing and the council not only didn't take that, but actually we would argue expanded policeman someway, not only as policing logger, just within the US, and other agencies, but one of the alleged tricks they used was actually an increase of revenue, instead of a budget cut, it was projected in terms of traffic enforcement by moving trap enforcement agents from Specific responsibilities for example guidance and traffic slow at intersection in to direct enforcement jobs where they're going to be tasked with actually. People and so we actually got something worse in some ways than what we had before. Talked, about along the same lines, the figure of a billion dollars, which is why people became focused on it. It's worth noting that that discussion about making a really significant. Cut The PD budget I think predated the George Floyd murder and the protests, because it was reaction to the fact that you know in light of the pandemic. The mayor was cutting everything, but the police department that it was sacrosanct. Somehow so we have this figure of a billion dollars was that. Primarily symbolic as a number, or did that relate to some particular change to the empty headcount that would force a particular change in policing other numbers of that money that final figure of leaving them a five billion as opposed to six billion, that tide is some particular new vision of policing the city. I mean. It's a few one wasn't just symbolic. What we always said was that cutting at least one billion dollars from the six billion dollar expense budget of the. She was the four, not the ceiling. shouldn't have limited people's imagination within the council in terms of how to. Cut from the NYPD, but the we did a report that gave one example of possible roadmap to cut at least a billion dollars, which would have actually reduced the NYPD headcount by several thousand and part of that rope APP also food. Things like having a hiring freeze. I mean it's actually it's pretty outrageous that we're in this moment. Where everybody in the city has a hiring freeze every agent hiring I, we know certainly any of the agencies that are really interacting with the public. Whether it's including department of Education and so we've got a hiring freeze on teachers. We've got a hiring freeze on. We'll nurses. We've got a hiring freeze on guidance counselors and yet there's no hiring freeze on uniform. Which? Best really actually about protecting the appease budget and protecting the NYPD instead of protecting New Yorkers. I mean you've mentioned we'd come out saying as soon as the pretty soon after the mayor released his executive budget for our for fiscal year twenty twenty that after looking at it, and we realized that there was really complete protection of the NYPD that budget he you know depending on how you were running the numbers we were seeing, but it was less than zero point less than a half percent. Of Cuts? Being proposed while. was being lashed by forty percent or around the number of different ways. There's actually five hundred million dollars increase for the PD those projected, and so part of what we were trying to do. The campaign would not only reduce. The footprint of policing New York City, the abusive footprint, policing and also reinvest money's into he community needs that are going to be needed for. Communities to get to survive and thrive out after this dynamic. Part of what we're trying to do with that. This is I mean basically it's an unacceptable. Politics for the city to continue to protect the NYPD instead of Yorkers and what we saw. You know most recently with this budget. Vote yesterday is that there are many cancer? There are many council members who are more willing to. Ensure that the be is protected and to make sure that young people in schools have enough teachers, nurses and gun counselors. Doing a discussed the headcount, just a tiny bit more and then get into some other things but I. DO WANNA say while? It looks like All signs point to the fact that as you mentioned, there's no hiring freeze for the NYPD while while it does exist elsewhere. The mayor did nounce skipping a cadet class, or to to reduce at least temporarily and I think it's yet to be seen for how long it might last, but at least reduced temporarily the uniform PD headcount by about one thousand, one hundred sixty officers from its current thirty, six thousand strong force, so we say a little bit more about what you think. The NYPD headcount should be and and. What the past that you were advocating for reducing it was is that? Basically attrition plus a certain number of layoffs or or WHAT'S THE VISION Advocating for attrition and a number of officer position up, but I I I need to go back to what the mayor is claiming, which is part of mcnairy about this budget? So the idea that he can save, the headcount is going to go down eleven hundred officers. Not something can say and the reason I'll say that is that. There were four. Academy classes that were and I just WanNa. Think should when we're talking about. The Police Academy cadets because that's actually not officers, but the. There were four planned for this year. meaning SA Twenty one that we're in now, and there was one academy class that was delayed from last year. What still unclear is whether or not? They cancelled only one class, and are still allowing the Campbell class from last year to roll over into F, twenty one graduate this year, or whether or not, we're taught either way. We're still talking about either three or four additional classes in the fiscal year twenty one, there are no enforceable taps on the number of officers who can be recruited into. Anyone can class. To what the mayor is claiming is awful projection. Based on what their projection was for what the July class would have been is what it sounds like. He can't say with any confidence that the NYPD will not have a higher number of recruits in future classes. The we actually don't know that there will be necessarily a reduction in headcount in this year, and you know part of our experience with this mayor since two thousand fourteen is that he says a lot and very oftentimes when released the policing. is either misleading, and sometimes it straight out lie I. Mean we've seen it whether it's in relationship to egregious police killings like the murder of Eric Garner, and the number of years he spent lying to the public, saying that there was nothing the Mit NYPD could do while the federal, while the DOJ was investigating, which we had always known with ally. Fact was. We saw you know when Anthony Byas was killed in the Bronx Ninety four by officer Francis Vody the department actually fired him before the Department of Justice. He fired cody before the Department of Justice moved its case. federal case and liberty was the last officer the. We can think of in the PD who was ever. Prosecuted and sentenced by the Department of Justice, and some of that was because they fired vote I and the disciplinary trial provided evidence that the feds were able to use and their prosecution their federal prostitution voting. So you know we're used the the mayor making misleading statements, even him. You know even this week. He's basically lying. Claiming that they saved. They cut one point five million billion dollars from TV budget that can be reinvested. Those are complete magic tricks and fiction, so I guess I just wanted to council speaker. Some of those claims himself pretty quickly. And so I i. just want to caution anybody in terms of. Thing while the mayor said this about the P. He's. We have not seen a time. Whereas mayor has said something about the NYPD where we wouldn't question it and asked people to look at the history of his remarks, in terms of the NYPD and predated objectively, which is that he has been misleading and he's also just straight line. So, what ask the budget now is done, or it appears to be appears to be done and now we go to implementation, and to you know this potentially long hot summer for city that's been especially. Some neighborhoods really beat up and devastated by this pandemic by the economic fallout and we do have you know rising indications of Crime I. Keep Waiting for it to go down so I can say it was. was just a blip, but it. It seems not to be a blip. We know policing as we do now is problematic. There's some better way out there to do it, but now this summer. How do you want the City Police Department? The other apparatus that this mayor and council have at their disposal how they respond to rising crime. What would the the way to do that in a humane and sustainable on Fashion given, it does appear as though. There are more murders and shootings going on in the city. I wanted I wanted to distinguish the statistics around shootings, versus just generally staying prides because I don't think that that's. and I think you would agree. The aren't showing early rising time. Quote Unquote Climb. Along all. and we obviously not only concerned, but really alarmed by gang shootings, many of our. Member organizations are there basis and where we live are actually some of the neighborhoods where there have been angry shooting and nobody wants to see that we want to see that it. I think part of the problem that we have. Is that as a city? We have not. Come to the understanding that what reduces shootings is not just police that has never been the the we. There's not really empirical evidence you can point to. That, the police are the ones who are the ones who are the ones who. Are responsible for decreasing shooting etcetera. Well, we do know is that there's been tremendous success in areas where the. Gun Violence Prevention Organization to whether it's camping cleans up in Brooklyn have operated out of in terms of their work to prevent violent, but I think that some of what is unfortunate is that there wasn't even more resources of some of those organizations. Within this particular by that was passed yesterday. There are many other ways to look at safety, and in fact when we think about you know if you ask somebody. What are the safest neighborhoods in new? York City or you have. If you have people think about what are the state neighborhoods? Across the country, the common denominator in terms of safety is not more police. The common denominator that those those communities have more resources and part of our argument is that. Lack lack next other communities of color loan communities have been funded for years. If not decades, New York City through the city budget, and that is actually part of what has made me means the color at particularly as most vulnerable in terms of public health crisis we have around Kobe and experiencing disproportionate death because of Covid, but also disproportionate inspections. And Simultaneously If the if part of what the the defunding of community apparatus and community infrastructure, whether it's public health infrastructure whether it's affordable housing is part of what's making. People continue to be vulnerable, so we would actually say the when we think about safety in New York City. We've got a redefine how we're understanding safety to really ensure the communities have all the resources. That they need the we need for every community member to be able to thrive and survive. All I, we're GONNA unfortunately have to leave it there we have a lot more weed. We want to get to with you, but we'll. We'll have to leave it there for time. In of course, both city limits in Gothenburg. We've got reporters ready to give you a buzz to to follow up on other stuff, but. Joo Hyun gang is the director of communities United for police reform. We appreciate the time here with us today. So much for having me have identified to take care have a great week in the greatest city in the world.

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Episode 79: 16,000, with Council Member Cornegy and David Tipson

What's The [DATA] Point?

44:29 min | 1 year ago

Episode 79: 16,000, with Council Member Cornegy and David Tipson

"Sixteen thousand the number of new york city students in gifted and talented programs which are now under the microscope mayor de blasio name the school diversity advisory group in december twenty twenty seventeen to pursue policies that will create a more equitable and degraded school system for new york city's one point one million students after more than a year of deliberations and outreach the large large group of experts and stakeholders issued in february the first of two reports with nearly seventy recommendations around goals and resources in the school system a few months later in june the mayor and chancellor richard announced that they adopt sixty two of the sixty seven specific recommendations then just two weeks ago the advisory group issued a second report which recommends phasing out gifted and talented programming and city schools and replacing it with a combination of initiatives including an enrichment for all model and magnet schools goals other proposals in the report include altering middle school and high school admissions to eliminate exclusionary enrollment policies that is screening based on grades test yeah scores attendance and the like and calling for a redrawing all the city school districts something which hasn't been done since nine hundred sixty nine. It's the first day of classes for new york city school school children and we're diving into this hot topic with a member of the advisory group david tips and city council member robert carnegie who has been a longtime proponent of gifted and talented programs and wants to see them not eliminated but expanded here we go welcome to what's the data point from from citizens budget commission and visit. I'm ben maximum gotham gazette. I'm reedus c._b._c. Thanks so much for joining us here today. For what promises to be a very interesting discussion <hes> the hottest topic really right now in new york policy making especially as the squier gets going. It's kind of the perfect time to dive into this and this is our third straight. Education related episode will probably take a break after this education but <hes> if you missed our our summer summer episodes we most recently talked to james merriman of the charter school center and before that we had a really interesting episode on school space school school seats school construction so check those out if you miss them over the summer and now we're here as we call it fall end of summer early fall gets going here with the school year with another episode on a really important topic. Maria set the stage here really well. With this <music> school diversity advisory group that the mayor put together <hes> the other important context here <hes> before we bring our two guests is that you know in two thousand thirteen eighteen when there was a mayoral race to replace michael bloomberg the issue of school segregation york city was really not talked about and there were many issues discussed i i was at many of the forums mayoral candidates where they were talking about all sorts of things and this was really not discussed much other than a little bit of discussion around the specialized just high schools and then all of a sudden two thousand fourteen after mayor de blasio one in march. There was this bombshell report from the u._c._l._a. Civil rights project that really set off a new phase of this discussion that really gets us today and there's a lot of steps in between but that report in two thousand fourteen showed and that new york state had the most segregated schools in the country led basically by new york city which of course dictate so much of what the data says for new york state is often dictated by new york city and so that really kicked off a new phase of conversation that i don't think many people including mayor to basel really ready for and we've seen a very slow process basis since then getting to this advisory group that was named in two thousand seventeen and a few other things that have happened across the city since in terms of specific school districts that have have looked at their enrollment policies and made some changes but now we're really into a new chapter here with this advisory group coming through with the recommendations and a lot have obviously discussion around the second set that included this proposal around gifted and talented but then much more broadly <hes> different admission screens and the redrawing of the district lines is maria set so let's jump into the discussion here councilman recording ee david gibson. Thank you for being here. Welcome thank you thank you for having us so <hes> david quick overview <hes> you are from the advisory group but also from new york appleseed and join a quickly explain that i should to qualify that a little bit <hes> apple was represented on the advisory group by matt gonzalez quiz show earlier this week <hes> and of course i've been very tuned get into how the process has been moving <hes> but i myself was not a named member of the of the task force <hes> so appleseed has been working since two thousand eleven to the last eight years <hes> on issues of school segregation our mission is to advocate for integrated schools and communities and <hes>. We started this work with a single school p._s. One thirty three in working with community stakeholders and local elected brad lander under steve levin to <hes> and and also the delay to come up with a model for <hes> managing admission so that <hes> uh-huh schools would not become entirely affluent bastions and and that model is basically the one that's in use today so since then we've been we've been trying to attack this issue from a number of different ways and perspectives and the gifted <hes> in gifted and talented programs are certainly one of those that figures <hes> very much into the second report yeah and we'll we'll come back to counter recording for those unfamiliar familiar. Just introduce yourself a little bit district. You represent <hes> a little bit of your background so yes. I'm councilmember rob recording our present a vibrant communities of bedford stuyvesant and northern northern crown heights <hes> predominantly african american communities although dish is changing rapidly like the city is <hes>. I am most importantly. I guess to this whole discussion a father of six i have had a child in every facet of the school system my oldest son who's an artist. <hes> took a different route and and got a g._e._d. G._d. When g._e._d.'s were available <hes> my my oldest son has an i._e._p. A speech and language delays my daughter is in gifted and talented and i have three children and charter. Uh so <hes> we've had a very good look at what the deal has to offer from all vantage points and i'm here to advocate on behalf of gifted and talented programs which have have historically been pathways for african american students to some degree monochrome of success academically <hes> those all students have been you know i always start with my frame of reference is that in the eighties which is a heyday <hes> <hes> brooklyn tech was fifty percent african american and so what we did was traced to the steps in how we got to the low number of african american students participate in <hes> specialized high schools and and it points directly to the centralizing of the gifted and talented exam under mayor bloomberg <hes> and i've had a chance to talk to me bloomberg and dennis walcott. Who's a school chancellor at that time it certainly that wasn't their intention but what we're finding. Is you know the when it was localized. When the examine tests process was localized there was more involvement and and more african american students because you had everyone from the principal to the guidance counselor key stakeholders in a child's life being able to weigh in and the exam wasn't a soul whole admissions criteria at that time so i just would like to say that i appreciate and respect as a policy and a policy wonk myself the work that the <hes> the task was put in <hes> and i respect and appreciate the work the david and my <hes> and a whole bunch of folks did on this <hes> but this might right my presence here is not a response necessarily to the report. We've been doing this work for for many years. I just wanna make sure that i can give context to why we feel that the gift in town program not only remain but should be expanded. I believe and a lot of people believe that there should be a gifted and talented program in every single school. Yeah let let let's come back more than a minute so david give us a a general gist of the two sets of recommendations that the task force came okay just ask someone who isn't following this as a parent and as a new yorker who cares <hes> you know your first. The first report of the advisory group was the broad and many recommendations and the second one is very narrow and focuses on giftedandtalented. How did we go you know why was that what the focus of the second report was so the first report is really setting the stage and identifying ways in which the dea we could facilitate <hes> integration across the city the second report i think of as what the dea we can actually do itself to <hes> to to make our schools less segregated and i think the the the diversity advisory group wanted to take about an extra five months or so to engage with communities across the city to make i'm sure that these recommendations for citywide actions that the <hes> really the mayor and the chancellor could take the mayor's famous for saying you can't fix segregation with wave a magic wand will the s._d._s. really came back the school diversity advisory group really came back and said yes you can there are things you can do more or less with a wave of your of want <hes> <hes> that don't require going to the state legislature <hes> that don't <hes> really even require going to the city council <hes> and so you need to stop saying that and start taking the action and that is to overhaul basically overhaul admissions yeah. I think it's it's very focused on the role that competitive ed missions plays in this highly segregated school system and how that government policy a governmental policy is limiting being access for some of the most historically disadvantaged populations are sitting in for my reading. The first report has dozens of recommendations nations that are fairly specific around invest resources in a variety of ways and it's just a lot about investing in schools investing in schools but also doing with a certain frame frame or multiple frames around equity inclusion culturally responsive education <hes> i mean there's dozens of them. Mahathir maria said in the opening so folks should really read through them but <hes> you know sort of a framework around values is how i serve read the first report and then the second one really does get into the nitty gritty of admissions policies and this g._m._t. Conversation we're having but also saying you know basically that there should be no more screens greens no more school screens in elementary in elementary and middle school right and then consider the high school down the road <hes> so i guess broadly broadly speaking councilmember. Do i mean you you sort of framed how you come to this conversation with a real focus on g._m._t. How do you sort of think about the broader mission of the advisory group and where the mayor and chancellor seemed to want ahead in terms of integrating schools and and doing an overhaul here first of all. I think that the advisory group and its findings are incredibly laudable by that's that's an awesome way to attack what i do know how is that we have a tool in gifted and talented that has worked in a broken system right. What what what the advisory group seeks to do is fixed a broken system from the problem with that as an approach is it's so i don't know if i mentioned that i've i as a parent. I've seen at least eight rations of d._o._s. Joey changes from different administrations over the course of my school my children's korea and <hes> i'm cautious about how long it would take to overhaul overhaul this system and how many students would be disenfranchised in that process so when i spoke to a member of the visor boy who i won't mention because i didn't agree that i can mention person <hes> when i said that they would like to dismantle the program and then you know re invent the program right the lack of a better term. I said well. I wanna go to district twenty one that has ten gifted and talented schools with you. When you tell those parents that you're going to let can i go right because as we have one in dc sixteen and twenty one they have ten ironically the that those zip codes largely populated brooklyn tech hi school so it's not it's not the kids and their families. This is they've created a pathway or an on ramp to to get into the new county schools and if historically again if we think about philip skyla and p._s. Three zero eight which were gifted and talented breeding grounds which helped populated schools which is how we got fifty to fifty percents percents <hes> i'm concerned that the again very laudable proposal of the group would take any amount of time based on my historical relationship to and apparent who's now sitting at home or who over the summer was attempting to get their kid into kindergarten class us will be graduating by the time everything was implemented and this very kind of callous utopian kind of look at the dio. We was was fully implemented. Here's an area. I think where i can put you at ease a little bit <hes> it is actually not <hes> something from outer space we brought brought in to think about transforming the way we educate gifted and talented kids in the way that the report recommends. It's something that's been done relatively frequently i mean and if you look at <hes> some of the areas of the city that you that we often considered to have quote unquote good schools <hes> park slope for for example well. The trend has been to move away from g._m._t. We don't see a lot of parents clamoring for g._m._t. There <hes> p._s. Ten p. s. nine most recently p._s. One thirty nine those schools have gotten rid of their g._n._c. program and it's not as if the system collapsed or they were people with pitchforks in the streets common carina famously got. You got to move to a school wide enrichment model at p._s. Six on the upper east side again a wealthier area the city. That's considered lead to better schools. You know a little bit of that's the argument that the places that you're referencing already have better schools than than the minority community so the ability they had set up a framework that allow them to make that transition very smoothly so that that tells me that this is really about <hes> a critique of the of the general under legislation programs in certain areas rather than educating kids who are truly gifted well that's right but the concern raid going back to emphasize is about school quality and so- options for improving school quality that are not your local school when you're operating under his own system so in the you know in the absence of having those options options you know what do parents do so only let me let me let you answer that i don't i don't that was a very valid question so i don't want to do you have any part of the part of the whole thing hanging over all of this right. Is this question of how do you fixed the airplane while you're flying right and that's sort of council getting at yeah i mean i think what what the report is saying. What the pagan both reports are things we have to move away from the scarcity model of education whereas we think we can only really educate about ten percent of the kids with any degree of quality and all we can really do is put resources into those programs and the rest of the kids you know they will just sort of try to cast them as not really worthy they are not really hardworking enough and <hes> you know and we're just gonna take care of those parents who <hes> who are politically powerful through these programs than i i just i think fundamentally rejects that way of thinking about <hes> our urban school system here the premise of real integration asian is that all of our schools can be places where children can learn from each other on their teachers and in order for that to happen we need to have integrated schools and we need heterogeneous classrooms where <hes> gifted and talented student to gifted and talented identified students can make friends with kids kids who are struggling in math but bring <hes> incredible drama skills or whatever to the classroom and they're they're social and emotional needs can be met and <hes> you know the. I believe that we have a tremendous <hes> teaching force here. I believe we have tremendous force of principles if we can implement real integration across the city because this is not this recommendation is meant to be taken with the other recommendations since something you just do in isolation. I really believe that we can make our schools great places what we what i want to. The one thing i'm uncomfortable with is the way that the report suggested segregation right so so the the the the blatant segregation that we've been accused of as a state and you know as as a as a school system <hes> is in reference inch to the way that resources are used in my opinion the way that resources are used in various communities not the way that it's being used in the report to some degree so so so report to me suggests that <hes> giftedandtalented is a methodology for segregation ethnic segregation and that's not how we find it now. You could argue that it's a method for segregating students in general. It's it's tracking right but but listen so there's a when i talk to educators right a group of educators i met with it which is why did this is not a reactionary and educated decatur said to me that that largely responsible and mandated to teach to the bottom of class with all due respect to students right so if you have ten percent of your class of thirty five member class is advanced or has demonstrated capacity will acumen to take on one more work. You're less likely to do that and more likely to teach to the students who are having difficulty and who are struggling that to me suggests suggests that there needs to be an environment created for students who are high performing students not the opposite so that's what that's what i found in talking to the education is that that's how the classroom actually works so there's a lot of theory and i respect chancellor khurana's willingness to go beyond what the theory is and really do something practical but here's what's happening on a daily basis in a classroom in a classroom. You got five students. Let's just say who are ready to go there ready to rock and roll that students now looking out the window for the rest of the class doing was me just to be clear so i was labeled having behavioral issues because we do the work and it was and then on board but the teachers now tasked with maintaining the rue the remainder of that classroom so now i'm labeled as someone who's kind of a troublemaker is so let's pause so she goes away. That is the sort of you know. I i mean that is the sort of story that people tell about about why we need <hes> separate classrooms for g._m._t. Kids i believe that teachers can do differentiated instruction. I believe that being before the bloomberg era our teaching force here in new york city was actually getting very good at doing differentiated instruction at finding those opportunities to have kids learn. I'm from each other from wherever they were their pedagogical strategies that you can use a heterogeneous classroom that you cannot use if you have kids who are all at a very high level level. There's deep mastery of knowledge. That comes from students being asked to teach each other in a classroom. You can't do that if you are not in a heterogeneous classroom that i understand. That's the story people tell but i don't i've been into schools all over the city and i just don't buy that. We can only teach to one level. I think we have some very good teachers. In the city who are capable of doing differentiated instruction. I mean some of the stuff in the report gets at this but doing differentiate instruction even in a class of let's say twenty which is virtually unheard of new york city is extremely difficult and so the report forgets at adding resources in there's a as you get at there's enrichment models but how i mean how does it actually work. I know the report didn't go into all the specifics on this and that sort of supposed to be part of a process here but are there kids getting pulled out of classrooms for extra math or for my son for instance is in a general education classroom or was last year. I still is but it wasn't a different with an elementary school last year. <hes> when it came time for the math the kids from the three fifth grade classrooms which sort of break up into different groups and they had instruction <hes> according to where they were and what their needs were at that time and the teachers from the three classrooms <hes> worked with those groups not to say that they didn't come back together and learn from each other in in an heterogeneous way but you know it's not to say that <hes> there isn't found times in the in the course of a day when a student might need to be pulled aside aside and get some instruction that appropriate to his or her <hes> level but let's fast or i think what's very concerning to us and the integration community into the s. tag. Is this idea that kids need to be in separate classrooms all day long or even an separate schools to two thousand sixteen thousand are in separate schools. They're leaving their their communities to go these separate schools and i just i think that's a really troubling message particularly when you have schools and we see schools like this. I'm thinking schools in the upper west side where there is a you know you have a classroom that's general ed that is filled with black and latino students and right next to that classroom is a classroom of the same grade that has very few of those students and i think that's heartbreaking because those kids know that that is the gifted classroom and they're not represented in that classroom and i don't know how you tweak a system like that. Is that is very damaging to kids in. It only takes even you know we're only talking about thirty seven hundred families a year that take advantage edge of g._m._t. Programs <hes> but it only takes one classroom to do that kind of damage to kids psyches in a school but the numbers that you're suggesting we believe is based on lack of access right and and and so in business the consumer based drives what the product is right and i'm suggesting suggesting that the numbers sixteen thousand <hes> and families who literally in their districts didn't have a gifted and talented program to speak of are not applying because there's no there's no program like there's no necessity for the program because when you look across the borough in brooklyn there's ten twelve well fifteen gifted and talented programs right so <hes> i think that the so again my argument is expansion is the right way to go not not the opposite. I think that again again. I just referenced the business model in in business. If customers don't buy a product than it does it then the product doesn't exist in in education. That's a similar model. The parents are clamoring for <hes> extra instruction or pathways to you know i i was at a another interview and and i referenced malcolm wells book the outliers and the idea that there are no real outliers their environments that are created to assist in being an outlier g._m._t. Programs right so i could i could do a sports reference all day about this but for me creating outliers if that's what parents want and i noticed a ton of parents who wanted and suggested that kids are out liars really we create environment so that they that are conducive for them to be progressive and when we don't do that you know and i understand that there are schools in the city and parts of the city that the two classes ethnically suggests that there segregation but yeah my district where there is no ethnic segregation there are students who need to be on a pathway to get the best out of their their <hes> academic experience. I don't believe that those students are gonna get everything they need. In this kind of utopian balanced system it hasn't worked from my community in the past my community you know almost creaming to some degree in my community because those students that are high performing in bever salvation because there's only one g._m._t. Program are all over the city accessing seats because one of the things common freeness that to me was wrong. We don't need gifted programs back in minority communities because we have enough seats and i suggested to her that this two aspects to education one is reading writing arithmetic and the other is socialization and to take a student from where they live worship nope of play and put them in environment just for academics. Is you know it's kind of a recipe for disaster but for them not to be totally engaged engaged in the environment that they come from. I wanna come back to that last point but you know on the issue of demand and placement of g._t. G._m._t. programs i mean how do you account for this op ed that we'd see from nicole on mclane yesterday president the district c._c. District sixteen c._c. saying that g._m._t. Really didn't work very well and they didn't get a lot of kids testing it because it was terribly underresourced <hes> at the way they gave it to us now nicole mclean who was who has somebody i know very well who actually worked with me to bring a gift and talented programs back <hes> is sorely disappointed and a parent sorely disappointed in the shell of a gifted and talented program that we got in g._m._t. For lack of a better term i will say that common farina reinstituted those programs because i yelled so loud and use the bully pulpit and told her that be the zip codes that gifted talented programs didn't exist in where the same zip code that populated the upstate prisons and the fear that i would say that allow i think he's just put the programs back and they will under-resourced so every time i met with the current chancellor if he saw me coming from a mile away he knew it was gonna be g._n._c. related. I never deviated from my speech about needing more resources and demanding access yes and expansion of g._m._t. So i think the model the kwame mclean is right. Let me give it context. He's upset because he fought leveraged his the political capital in as he sixteen president and got <hes> didn't get his money's worth with bringing the programs back they reinstituted those <unk> programs n._p._s. Twenty-six and the parents who are now active and engaged enough to find seek out in bedford stuyvesant giftedandtalented program going hey hey this program doesn't look like the program in paxos even though as a gifted and talented program when i put my kid in here when we visited impact slopes or in bay ridge or any other places you know there was a huge fish tank in there that all of the things that they expected a gifted and talented program to have curriculum wise was not present in bed stuy so i've been arguing with not arguing but <hes> demanding from the current chancellor that we take that program and give it the resources that region but if the outcome outcome of the vehicle by which children and during these programs right is the segregation. Why isn't the answer fixing the vehicle. Why isn't it going back to the old model which resulted in more diverse gifted and talented programs wise the answer instead to eliminate them so you know i think it's very clear sure i mean it's very important to be clear that things got worse under bloomberg. I think that the council member and i agree very much on that <hes> but i don't want. I don't want there to be some some idea that there was a golden age of g._m._t. Or tracking i mean when appleseed did a report five years ago and looked at the history of advocacy around on g._m._t. And it's like a broken record. These programs have been enclaves for affluent white kids for a long time going back three decades going back to a time when the demographics emma graphics of the city we're very different and in the in the complaint is always the same and the response is always the same. Don't don't get rid of it. Tweak it you know and and i think it's time to start. It's time to stop pretending to ourselves that something that is so fundamentally misconceived is is is worthy of being tweaked anymore. The reason that i was asking you about district sixteen is because my concern is that these tests <hes> <hes> you know that that any kind of system we have in which we have a winner and loser schools and winner loser programs are always going to disadvantage inch black and latino ex students because we live in a we live in a society that is very much plagued by racial hierarchy and the people that created eight at our educational system and the legacy of education system is very is wait while i agree with you the one tool of any form of equalizing who is it that has been the gifted newsouth over so so so that's a great point so what there's some larger vision at play here that we're not not really. I think articulating that counts i'm recording. He talks about about the utopian vision. I think mayor blah's even used that same terminology i was. I don't know who i think he used a similar way you did which is he was asked about the recommendations again this morning on the first day of school and he was sort of hedging being a bit because he is not weighing in full yet but he said you know a few different things he said i do get the concern that people you know sort of trying to think about a utopian vision when he's parents say to me make our school better tomorrow today. Yesterday i got parents entering into kindergarten side similar to you in in talking about some of that but i think what hasn't happened yet and and this is just the beginning conversation but i don't know if it will oh is that i don't know that people get what that vision is especially for communities like what the council member represents where so how how is that community. How are the schools in councilmember. Carnegie's district getting integrated getting the resources. They need where you're saying. Kids okay. We're not gonna bring new g._m._t. Programs in there. What is the larger vision will i i. I want to turn that around a little bit. Though i mean again we're talking about across the city less than five percent of kids. I have access to these programs in district sixteen according according to nicholas pace. It's probably even much less than that. <hes> so you know it's not as though g._m._t. Solves this question right not a courtesy. I should have said that to begin with sixteen thousand students out of one point one million right so why are we focused on this instead of talking about say redistricting. All the districts inlet is a recommendation and so that so that i think gets at the question of putting this together for everybody which again when when you have a when one plank link of the recommendations is eliminate the current g._m._t. Programs and then you get you know the first story. Is your time story with that headline. That's where the conversation goes right and the conversation hasn't really included. What is that full vision so that full vision is redraw. All school districts around on the city change admissions processes so that you're intentionally creating more diverse schools now. The report even admits that that's almost impossible in certain areas ray without really moving a lot of bodies and oliver districts. There's not always but it's but but there's ethnic there's national a place of origin <hes> diversity. There's and there's there's tremendous divergence diversity in terms of linguistic <hes> baggage okay so okay so ability. There's there's there's there's redraw the districts altered missions processes and practices is significantly to encourage diversity and not discourage it which some screens and certainly do at this point <hes> <hes> and then there's the addition of enrichment programs everywhere right so those are are those like maybe i'm capturing. The three big sort of planks except the of the vision is redraw. The districts changed the enrollment practices and get enrichment everywhere. Let me come back to something that i should've asked that. I should have <hes> provided the very very beginning of this discussion. Which is the framework that was used in that first report which is the five our framework of integration that was developed by high school students here in new york york city from integrating y c. They educated all of us really about what education i mean really what integration should be because to be honest. Appleseed had been <hes> sort of narrowly pursuing a kind of <hes> student assignment based advocacy up until integrate n._y._c. came along and they showed us that integration has to be much more than just about student assignment. It's got to be about resources and resource equity across schools and districts. It's got to be about a representation in our teaching staff and administrative staff so that the kids see themselves in in <hes> in the people that are working at the schools. It has to be about restorative justice. It has to be about facilitating relationships among people of different backgrounds within these diverse schools and <hes> and part of that too part of the relationships relationships piece too is also this notion of culturally responsive in sustaining education and so we really are talking about a much bigger the vision for the schools and it's very important to read these two reports together and it's very important to know that <hes> you know appleseed has been in district sixteen. My colleague matt hat was in district sixteen for years working with <hes> decline and others and <hes> you know that it's not just about this one thing. It's about a much bigger your vision of making sure that we're paying attention to the right things that would make a big schools across the city have resources and that we are no longer comfortable with certain school districts having more than other school districts that we're starting to look more and more what school district's need so i think i you know i agree with most of of of what you said <hes> but again this one tool that we've had again not a panacea but it has provided <hes> entry points for stu high performing students of color to be able to get into specialized high schools and ultimately go on to be very successful <hes> in secondary education so i don't know how that would be based on the numbers kind of like the linchpin in the recommendation. We we believe that you. I don't want to discount all of the other work that was done. What a findings of the report. I think i think it's great work right and i i wanna be clear that that i say that <hes> but i i think removing the test should have been i kind of the last thing we do after we've corrected after they've been corrective measures to all all of the other points within the exam people were alarmed. I was alarmed and people were alarmed that their one opportunity what they grasp onto to be able to give their children and up a fair chance and opportunity in a broken system clearly the idea that you would remove that is is incredibly or suggest its removal is correct is <hes> is alarming when again i gotta reiterate this has been the one thing that parents are drilling and their kids you gotta you gotta be smart. You gotta take this exam. You gotta if i can get if i can get my kid on that track. We're going to be okay to to wake up in the morning and read. The headline says we're gonna remove that. One track is is is incredibly a servant so just have a few more minutes. Were talking with city council member robert carnegie of brooklyn. David timpson of appleseed who is <hes> wasn't a of memorable along the way of the of the mayor school diversity advisory group but has been doing this work appleseed was represented on the on the panel that just issued its second set of recommendations recommendations so i guess what i what i'd like to ask you in response to some of that council member is is it you know. Do you have if there were g._m._t. Programs added to every school in your district beyond as you're advocating for do you also want to see see you know sort of the district lines redraw and the emission helps okay so you so your first of all i don't wanna. I don't want anybody who's listening. There are in revolt reports darlie because i did but that the focus today and the focus of my constituency has been around the gift and it sounds exam and do you do you want to do you want to see the proactive efforts to racially ethnically integrate. The city schools or is that not something is is your are your constituents. Sichuan's is that not something they seem to care about is care about it but you gotta understand that for a long term bedside cries residents. <hes> integration has been in something that has worked against them <hes> so yeah. They're not really clamoring for that. With their derek. Clamming equity resource resource equity the the <hes> the <hes> the integration portion it is their their integration arguments in communities of color all the time about whether or not that's the greatest asset because because it seems as though there's an imbalance when integration takes place on behalf so i don't want to speak for for everybody in my district but i noted that is you know that that's not probably probably not a top priority of the the resource equity would be a top priority if that would be one two three four and five. That's what you've also seen. The proliferation of charter schools assigned clamoring to get into schools that seemed to have more resources absolutely even if it was perception wise every man's perception is reality and parents across the board black white white hispanic asian all want the best for the kids and he wants them to be in the most the an environment that can that they can grow in right so they don't care what that environment is. I've i've been i've been <hes> unfairly accused of being a uber charter school advocate that that wasn't the case i noticed i know that's a school. All troy sauce for parents is an important thing that that we talk about and that's another tool that was available especially to minority families in places like best is so when they're thinking about what their student is going over. Their child is going to be involved in they look at you know the array of options which are limited and you. Have you know you've got regular. <hes> the only got charges you got gifted and talented and not much else choose from l._s._u. Resource than you can send your kid to a private school cool so those four options are very limiting to people of color and they're kind of grasping at straws because everybody wants the best for their kit or at least the best opportunity to be successful and if it seems like that's a charter situation as we can see a waiting list charters in bed. Stuy is off the charts if it's gifted and talented so so we we're trying nc sixteen to come up with a holistic approach to getting success for all students and that's a mix as a mix of some great schools we had by the way deford academy like we got some top performing schools not only in brooklyn but the city i referenced becker academy other great schools that are doing great work and we try to look at that holistically put it all on the table giftedandtalented however not a panacea but it has for some families provided opportunity and options that the rest of the oh he doesn't seem to provide and so this alarming the headline and i get the sensationalism house insatiable it is to have that as a headline i just. I just want to be clear that that's not something we'd like to see. In the iteration it has been presented. It seems the challenge for the advisory group and whatever the the chancellor in the mayor decided to adopt although it seems like we're most like looking at many months of conversation which is probably needed in a much more public format than group puts out report and mayor and chancellor just decide what hearts to adopt <hes> but the challenge seems to be convincing people that they don't have to you know they don't have to worry about something. They like going away tomorrow or not getting resources versus if they don't buy into something they don't like but that there's a you know the the report has things to do in the first three years and then things to do in three three to five years but that vision seems to really need to be laid out for people as in. Here's the sort of significant significant but not life altering steps. We're gonna take next year five years down the line when some of you folks might not even have kids in the school system. Here's where we want to get this. There's been a really helpful conversation man. I think i think we agree on so much. The council number and i think we agree that the current method of evaluating kids is got to go. I think i think we agree that. Enrichment programs are not reaching enough kids and especially a lot of an off black and latina kids. I think we agree that every school school should provide you know our enrichment for kids and i think we agree that there should be local. There should be opportunities for local community members to be part heart of figuring out how we do this and i think these are all values that the stag shares and you know and i think the concern about the sequencing in how fast we can get this going. These are real concerns and i think what this report does and the release of this report is provide an opportunity for us all to sit down and say how do we. How do we get what we really want here because i think everything you're talking about. I i feel you know the the passion that you feel for the children in your district. <hes> how how do we get those things for our kids and yet not continue to perpetuate these systems because part of what i'm worried about is that as bed stuy continues to gentrify and god the the numbers are astronomical. What a thousand percent increase in the white population in ten years or something more than that those g._m._t. Programs are going to become magnets for those gentrify gentrify and we're going to have the same kind of situation we have in district three right now on the upper west side and i think we want to set we want to create the kind of educational all system we want now in places like best is so that as these neighborhoods changed. We don't just keep replicating the re segregation. Leave it there so conversation a lot more to come councilmember carnegie. Thank you for the time if it tips. Thank you for the time and thank you all for listening. Thank you <music> <music>.

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Episode 267: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

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08:30 min | 5 months ago

Episode 267: Kevin Parker On His Run For New York

"Do deep trust to keep watch over. The city's billions i'm jared murphy from city limits. Dot org my broadcast brother. Ben max is off tonight from gotham gazette dot com saw. Be taking you through the full hour ba talking to two of the candidates running to be the men or the people who watch over the city's billions of dollars in spending an assets and debt people running for the job of city comptroller as i mentioned at the outset. We're talking about Who we're going to trust to keep watch over. The city's billions of dollars. The city's number three job is that of city comptroller and sure it sounds boring. Nobody grows dreaming to be controller. But i've often thought that it's about the best job in the city because of the kind of vast powers has that particular kinds of authorities and interest the comptroller can exercise so the comptroller is like the city's official accounted he or she can audit all the agencies in the city of remember the agencies in the city. Spend some eighty eight billion dollars a year. So that's a lot to audit. Those audits can raise. Financial questions can also raise policy questions about you. Know the efficiency and effectiveness of the steps that the city is taking. It's an important very important check on the mayor's power in that way the comptroller also registers contract so as you know a lot of the city's work is not done by but by contractors whether it's human services or building a road or doing consulting work to figure out how the board of elections run better. Or what have you and those contracts total seventeen billion dollars a year seventeen thousand contracts. The controller can register those or not register. Those can block contracts to a degree. That's a tremendous amount of power also overseeing. The city's pension funds the five funds for police and firefighters and teachers and everybody else together compose one of the largest investment funds in the world has a lot of power as an investor deduce shareholder activism Divests from something like firearms or tobacco or fossil fuel related industries. It's a big deal. That's twenty five billion dollars under control in the comptroller's day to day. Overseer of those has a lot to do with the priorities that those pension funds pursue economic forecasting managing the debt if more than seven hundred employees and he operated big policy shop to recent lists of weighed in a different policy issues suggested plans for housing for childcare for dealing with homelessness. You name it of the council is in a position to make those suggestions and frankly not actually execute them. Because they're not. The mayor said they get to kind of sit back. And critique and suggest improvements and use the power of the city's pursestrings to achieve his or her own policy ends And that's a reason why the job is coveted by many people who are seeking a step up from the city council or borough presidency or other offices and it's also why many people who seek that office end up becoming mayor or running for mayor a beam was a comptroller Jay golden who ran for mayor. Alan have the see bill thompson and of course the current comptroller scott stringer's running for mayor the only one in that mix who did not was halston and she ran for the. Us set it. So that's pretty important office too so it say A big big job and an important one and one of the jobs that is on the docket for twenty twenty. One scott stringer as i mentioned running for mayor that's because he is term limited and so there are four people in the race as of now democratic primary in june which as you know in many races in new york city is tacit election. We don't know if there will be republican race if they did run. It's unlikely they would have much of a chance of winning. But the people will be hearing from today. Our senator kevin parker of brooklyn and city council member. Brad lander also of brooklyn They are joined in the race. By state senator bryan benjamin and has been david weapon. Those two candidates have been booked for our show on january twenty seven so two weeks from today and we'll be hearing from them then and obviously next week on the twentieth. Focusing more on inauguration stops which hopefully it will be peaceful and smooth. But we'll be ready for whatever comes our way. So we're hearing from senator kevin parker He is a democrat. He's represented the twenty first district in brooklyn since two thousand three so a veteran of albany veteran of the years too many years in the wilderness when democrats were in the minority than briefly in the majority Particularly well Back the minority now. Of course our very strong and fairly progressive supermajority in the state senate but kevin parker's looking to leave office and become the city's number three official. He is the chairman of the committee on energy and telecommunications and we'll be hearing a few moments switching to get him on the phone. Kevin parker senator from brooklyn is on the line. So welcome to maximum murphy. Hey mackey murphy you just murphy today but thanks for how are you. I'm good glad to hear that Let's dig into a den because we don't have too much time with you and it's a big job and he's got a lengthy career lot to dig into You are a state senator. You have been for many years. What do you feel about this job of comptroller. Do you feel it requires a set of qualifications. Different from other offices foam from being a mayor. Desert require some level of financial savvy. And that's something you bring to the table. Yeah you know a number of years. I've actually been in the state. Senate eighteen years. And i'm the majority whip involved the seminar energy and communications committee and i absolutely think that being city controller does bring a responsibility around a specific set of understanding about finances and and and you know understanding of finances the municipal finance her particular. Anybody who knows finance necessary understand municipal finance You know before. I got elected to the state senate work for paying whatever Doing both government affairs and ms will finance worked worked in the state office. Macomer call As that'd be direct their government affairs. And since i've been in state senate. I've been eighteen years in the finance committee Over ten years on the banking committee the insurance committee and so the issues around revenue. Projections around auditing Around managing the pension fund. Things that in my wheelhouse talk about your time in albany as you mentioned almost two decades much of that time in the minority when obviously it was difficult i'm sure to get legislation passed but when you look at your time there. What do you see as your top accomplishments. Well what do we begin right. i think i think some of it has been you know my top accomplishment the political accomplishments. I'm i'm part of literally. Four people whipped. I've been on the minority. The majority and i think that political understanding Of what it takes to us tweet place where people thinking leading into. When i got elected you know eighteen years ago of senator. You're fading in and out a bit. i don't know if you're if you're traveling or donna. Our end center we may have lost the senator

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Episode 231: Council Member Brad Lander On The New City Budget

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29:37 min | 1 year ago

Episode 231: Council Member Brad Lander On The New City Budget

"With. Sturdy budget that either clavel's or cottle's the NYPD I'm jared Murphy from city limits Dot Org and this is Ben Max from Gotham Gazette Jared. How do we find you today? We'll be fine me in city limits. Global News headquarters I'm back in the office for the first time since mid-march. Wow! went to see yeah. I feel I feel almost like I have like. I have a job and everything out you, don't you? Also you also very productive employed, but yeah, I haven't have not having the house in three and a half months Reality has has warped, but not it's I'm kidding. Have left the house, but. Not Having. I haven't been back to the office myself. Thankfully, our journalism work can continue from a variety of settings. and. It's it's been continuing at all. Hours these last few days with the passage late late last night of the New York City budget not quite as late as they usually do things Albany actually so it was a little bit of earlier night, but a little bit unusual for the city of the last few years, at least but a new city budget passed late last night by the city council very contentious basically right at the deadline for the start of the new fiscal year this year. a contentious budget crisis budget given a huge drop in tax revenue due to the. Crisis in the fallout with the government mandated shutdown of so much of the economy just a tax revenue base in freefall mass unemployment really. Leading to a very very challenging budget situation for Mayor De Blasio in the city council, but they came to an agreement will get to some of the details shortly but that was. That's obviously a one of if not be big story a last few days here. Yeah we'll be focusing on the budget writ large jazz. Ben said it was a very contentious, but reflected the very tense times we're living in, and we'll be talking specifically about the issue that really dominated the budget discussion at least over the last three weeks, which is the funding for the PD, a six billion dollar budget for the nation's largest police force questions even before. The George Floyd killing reignited the debate about race. Pleasing the country about whether that amount of money is appropriate. WHETHER NYPD should be shielded from cuts, so we speak today with Brad Lander, whose accounts member from thirty ninth district in Brooklyn or the. Surprising, large number of council members who voted no on yesterday's budget. He'll be talking about the policing issue and about the budget as document and about where we are. In fiscal and political contours, New York City and then also to Joo Young Tang. Who is the director of Communities United for police reform, a really a gathering of a multitude of other police for form and criminal justice reform groups who were pressing for the defining of the MVP. She'll be reacting to what did and didn't occur in the budget yesterday and Talking also about what happens next now that that document is solidified in this particular phase that advocacy struggle. Moves to a different chapter. Yeah a couple other quick things you know just sort of tee up the guests we have in the topics you know. When we talked to Councilmember lander about the city budget. You know the the. The Y. P. E.. Funding defunding. Shifting of funds became the real focus issue over the last several weeks, but really as I was indicating before that there was a huge budget crisis to deal with so you know so much of the focus being on what was happening with the NYPD budget, but really the way they wound up doing things most of this I. Think was at the insistence of the mayor, but you know the the agreement they wound up coming to. Is that nothing really related to the NYPD wound up helping them. Them close a many billion dollar gap that they were facing in the budget, so they're real big structural budget issues also had to be dealt with, and we'll talk to council member land, or a little bit about that, and we should also note part of the reason we're having him on to talk about. That is that he wants to be the next city controller the chief fiscal officer for the city. So obviously he's paying more and more attention to the bigger budget fiscal issues of the city similar to how we've had. Had on the controller candidates in recent weeks including state Senator Bryan Benjamin. We talked to a couple of weeks ago and a couple of weeks before that city council member Helen Rosenthal, so those are three of the controller candidates in next year's Democratic primary, and so we WANNA talk, bigger budget issues with Councilor Lander, as well as the specific issue that really resulted in him voting no with some of his colleagues on this budget and then I'll just quickly say two in the second part of the show when we talk police reform, there's. There's just been a massive amount of change in the last month. Both at the state and city level, and while many advocates are disappointed in what happened with the city budget. There's also been a huge amount of progress in terms of their agenda, so we talk to juicy on Tang of communities native for united for police reform. We want to get her assessment on sort of the big picture to in terms of all the the calls they've been making for legislation change over years seeing a lot of progress on their agenda. Yeah, and this is the moment for guys like Ben and I really walks who come in and after the budget is done than the headlines Fade, and you see how the policies that relate to those spending lines and those budget types. No taxation items how? Lax they get. implemented many different questions and go into figuring out. What the shape of the city looks like after the budget as we roll off through this year, today is the first day of the fiscal year. We're nearing the official beginning of the unofficial midpoint of summer July fourth. Been mentioned already the twenty twenty one campaign already. Underway and we talked about that last week. Obviously the twenty twenty election still ahead of us many contentious races, they are both nationally, even some within our city borders, so in terms of some of the big takeaways of the city budget, other anything from your perspective or things at city limits that you've been most interested in and covering You know that folks should know about. We're going to be joined by City Council member lander in just a couple minutes to to get his reaction. have him explain a little to listeners who might not have caught the vote or some of the write ups why he voted no on the budget. But anything standing out to you Jarett in particular. Obviously find the. PD discussion, fascinating and critically important. I think also the housing budget was wasn't beaver. Obviously given our focus on housing development were very closely interested in the mayor proposing in his executive to shift a lot of capital money from this year from the year that just ended in the year. That is now upon us. To future years of pushing back the implementation of his plan, which really is only about half built is three hundred thousand unit plan have built in half preserved this point. Betcha. That's a big. It means a lot of units of housing at OSCE also resigned construction jobs. Obviously, his plan is problematic. It's always had a lot of critics. Some of that shifting of funds reflects not so much a fiscal decision as a reality of what HP D.. The city's Housing Department thinks it can actually get built next year and they don't want to schedule money if they don't think they can use it. Obviously, the pandemic has had some impact, even though most affordable housing construction was essential on the planning and building that housing but it's still a big. Big Shift, and also shifts in the housing landscape, especially, the basement apartment pilot project, a very interesting idea to try to legalize apartments in New York, city was a big part of the East New York rezoning that has been cut to the bone and really pretty much iced in this budget there other lifetimes to so that's that's one of the things didn't get many of the headlines in the spotlight, but But obviously one of the impact. How about for you yet? While let's I'll raise my highlights here with councilmember lander. Believe is on line, so why don't we? Why don't we dig into with him? But I think God just and of course I, not interested in that affordable housing pieces well not travel. We'll get a chance to get to me. The but folks should definitely check out the story you have. have it. City limits on on that piece because it's things like that. That are often really sneak under the radar in the city budget stories in there. Things that does city limits often pulls out so well. That are so much importance to so many New Yorkers so I believe we have councilmember lander on the line now. Let's bring him on Councilmember Lander. Thanks for joining us again here on Maxim, Murphy. My pleasure. Thanks so much for inviting and yes, that basement programs definitely one of the things I'm most disappointed about it in this budget so indeed indeed so Give, US, the the sort of big picture before we get into the NYPD piece of it, and you know the reasons behind your no vote along with several other. Council members who sort of from from similar perspective voted no on the budget, the broader strokes of the of the fiscal impact this budget in fiscal picture. What do you make of the deal? That was struck here? you know I think it's worth. It is absolutely worth stepping back. You know, and and it's hard to you know the before times before the Cova crisis are so hard for like all of us to remember you know. The city was really sailing along, and you could debate. How do we put enough in reserves where we doing enough to get our capital projects in order? Well, you know was the balanced right there. Obviously programs like thrive that you needed to be rebooted, but. You know all of that has changed so dramatically. The economic crisis in the wake of Cova it opens up this nine billion dollar revenue shortfall is devastating and that whatever your position on defunding the NYPD, whatever your position on short term long term borrowing or the capital programmer the basements program. It's devastating devastating. We've got you know. Millions of New Yorkers who are getting emergency food because they don't have enough resources to put food on the table. There's unemployment insurance coming from Washington, but it doesn't go to immigrant families. It might just be about to run out so. It's July first. Who can't pay the rent this month and you know again you can have a political debate about. Should it be cancel rent or should it be Washington provides red released, but that doesn't help you know all those tenants this month. Who can't pay the rent so like that is devastating and I don't think we're sitting in it enough. It's such a fast moving time, and it's like a trauma. It's like like when you first get hit you you sometimes of still too stunned to see how badly damaged you are, and I think we're in a little bit of space suspended animation right now, but devastating things are are happening, and of course that hits the city. In all the ways because we wanna be able to be doing more. and we don't have the resources to do it, and so in fact, we have to cut when we want to increase and like. That's the big picture on this budget. It's devastating because even though there was some good restorations, that council was able to make it cuts. billions of dollars from from things we need from you know resources in our schools to emergency food. Two Summer Youth Programs to Capitol for affordable housing to our parks, and on and on and on ultimately the cuts were fairly modest, because the city's dipping in a significant way to reserves. I guess I guess I'm wondering if you feel comfortable that this wound up being a little bit of A. You know a sort of tinker in band-aid budget when the city is facing these massive out your deficits, and there's no clarity on how to really address the sort of foundational fiscal picture for the city you know the reserves are now almost gone, so that will work for one year, but not really for the following year. Couple of things they're not. I wouldn't say they're almost GONNA. You know we used not quite. We have a but yeah. Look broadly I. Mean I think the challenge is. Only time will tell. This is a I mean this budget. WORKS OUT SOLUTION IT achieves balance without some of the signs of devastation. You know we didn't have to get to lay offs. but I I wouldn't say it's not devastating. You know we say no layoffs, but we mean no layoffs of city employees, but we've made huge cuts in the nonprofit sector to our Human Services nonprofit who deliver services with our tax dollars that we say we want, and they're definitely layoffs in the nonprofit sector of people who provide human services, so you know. How do you know when it's devastating? It's great. We restored a good chunk of the summer youth jobs, but the kids that don't have them There's a lot of them out there right now and. So but yes I mean I guess to your point. There's a lot of pain being felt by this budget restores a meaningful amount of of block some harm, and maybe skates by because of the reserves because the pegs were able to be significant, but not maybe to that level of like cut to the bone. You know closing your fire houses laying off your workers It's fair to say what will that mean in the future and the answer is? How could we know yet like the difference between a scenario for next year's budget where Joe Biden is President and Democrats control. Control the Senate and therefore there's a rational federal government that helps cities and states get through this crisis by deficit. Spending in the way that the federal government is supposed to if that's happening, then I think there's a good chance we'll be able to solve next year's budget with a broader range of tools than we had available this year. If that doesn't happen, if we are in an ongoing economic crisis, you know something, trump wins reelection or democrats. Don't take the Senate or just. The world spins into a greater form of chaos, which is just feels like of course that could happen. yeah, I mean then we will not be able to land next year's budget in any kind of more solid or sane way. Is it reasonable to go ahead and do it this way and hold our breath a little bit to see what happens I. Guess and you know there's even the more middle term that you talked about on the show, but we didn't talk about yet of just what will happen if there's no federal aid even before November if there's no federal aid, if the state makes additional cuts, and the city is then faced with the challenge of you know a lot versus short term borrowing, so all those things are in the future, and it's a little soon to say. On the basic fiscal issues I guess. I think although I voted against the budget. For reasons, we'll talk about that. The balance of dipping you know meaningfully into reserves doing a set of hard pegs. was the right notional approach. If we had cut a billion dollars from the EP, and we would have been able to stave off some of the additional pain and harm, and it would have been possible for me to vote for a budget that you know still had a lot of the features of this one, but but took a different set of steps forward. City councilman. This is not going to be a fun budget. No matter what just given the FISHBOWL context, but I'm curious about the process may obvious. This is the latest at thank budget his comments latest any that I remember as as come. was the mayor in honest broker aeronautics member of those negotiating sessions, did Speaker Johnson allow. Other accounts members the seat that they need and council leaders to save safe seat. They need at the table. Howard you give given the disagreements over policy if we can set them aside for a second in terms of the conduct of this process, how would you evaluate the mayor and this speaker? Yeah, that's a great question. because I think two contradictory things are true. That are always true. This is not different about this year's budget. You know on the one hand New York City's budget process provides a lot of opportunity for people to speak up publicly and engage I mean having a preliminary budget set a preliminary budget hearings, the council, response and executive budget and executive budget set of budget hearings, and then the council goes into this deliberative phase, which is mostly the budget negotiating team which I'm I'm not a member of, but people are finding out what's happening and and and weighing in now. It was all virtual this year. and that was a shame, but I don't know I. Still Some of the I met some amazing people who I then subsequently got to meet in person who testified virtually at our budget hearing. This young woman Merrill Masumi is one of my favorite young fears. Activists of the moment I never knew her before. You know you're kind of half listening on those eight, our budget things and I like Alok Up. When she started testifying about making sure, we were putting resources in the schools, and not into the police, and now I've had the chance to meet her in person and so there's a lot of inclusion and and. And that more than almost any other city or state I've ever seen ten times more than is at the state level, and all of that is good now on the downside, the power that the mayor has in the city's budget process makes Kabuki theatre out of the whole thing, and that's just real. The mayor puts an executive budget out. Everyone fears that the one time the council did its own thing. The council had a weekend in court weakens. The councils leverage in the whole process and mayors can just sit and say no, and you know I think as you heard the speaker say last night there were a lot. Lot of things that he wanted that warrant honestly broker. They didn't meet in the middle. The mayor said no, no, no, no, no, and so you know I. Think you know I I, did not I don't support the budget we got to. I think we should have taken a different approach. I think it will be necessary for the council either try again at some point passing its own budget and seeing if it can be possible to have a better hand in court or making some amendments to the charter, because at present, the council structural leverage is so weak in the process that it's hard for it to be real. Real and I think that's what played out here. I think Corey really wanted to get there on NYPD cuts, but the mayor kind of called the bluff of the Council's leverage. They had built in some plans to make a set of restorations. The council fought hard to get those restorations and I think that makes the process confusing people, because it seems like the council has a lot of power, and so people treat us we. The mayor doesn't give anyone an opportunity to give feedback on the budget. There's no mayoral sessions of feedback. That council does all the feedback work. People put their trust in us to hear it. And at least as it currently plays out, we play it with with pretty weekend. So? We're talking with Kuzma Brad Lander if you want to weigh in with a question, a quick question for him or second guessed, please call two, one, two, two, zero, nine, two, eight, seven, seven, a customer speaking of kind of the separation of powers, issues is an interesting argument playing out now, which is that public advocates you honey Williams says that under the charter he has the authority, or his signature is required on the warrants that allow the city to collect property taxes on which of course the whole budget hinges and he says that if he doesn't. Provide, those signatures, the seat is half that authority, and that he is going to withhold. The signature is based on his opposition like yours to the budget was passed. Do you think that the public advocate is on firm legal ground there potential future comptroller of the city is, is he right? Well let me answer I like what he's doing. I. Don't I honestly have not had the time to look into the legal questions about the public advocates power in this regard we up till two in the morning voting the budget last night and so I. Think I'm going to let the lawyers adjudicate the question. Is He right in this power? And obviously that's an extremely important power, and yes I'm running for controller and controller. Advocate has a primary responsibility of fiscal stewardship for the city's You know tax revenue, collection and bonds inability to pay its debt, so the comptroller is supposed to look at these questions differently from the public advocate I love that he looked at it with the question of I believe we are in a time of fundamental reckoning with systemic racism in policing and that we are not waking up enough to what's required to do something about that and that it's almost like he brought. Brought the tools of disruptive nonviolent civil disobedience into the public advocates office, and said what is like a nonviolent disruptive action that Says No. We're not going to do business as usual without waking up to what the moment requires here so i. think it's Great. The two things he put on the table. are very concrete and very reasonable, right? A hiring freeze at the PD is worth noting that he did not say in that thing. It has to be a billion dollars, he said. Hiring freeze, which is what we're doing everywhere else and a just transition framework for moving some functions in a serious and thoughtful way, and those are are pretty low bar there reasonable things that did not get moved to use this disruptive power I mean I think it's the public advocate, saying my job is to advocate where I see a real fundamental inequity issue, and we just walked through so many days where we lacked the realities of that the SIS say systemic racism we mean is if the system keeps operating as normal. It'll keep reimplementing racism every day and here's the thing. I'm going to disrupt that so i. I don't know whether he has the power or not. Well. I mean weren't those couple of things. Really part of the discussion for quite a while and things that the council should have really been pushing on I mean. Yeah I mean to to sort of make this threat. The day of the budget when the city council had already made a deal with the mayor seems. A little strange. To me and I'm not sure about the. Obviously. He tries to do it, but I want to look. The court is gonNA. Adjudicate whether he has the power and again I I'm happy to come back after I've had time talk to lawyers and opine on whether I think he has the power and it's a fair question, the question of a controller candidate I think it's reasonable for me to say given at the last twenty four hours I've been in in the budget that I don't I don't know. But. I would say is the idea that that Jimani feels that. the the way we're currently going on policing. Must be disrupted and that the fact that the mayor was able to kind of force through an agreement that even the speaker says he did not really want you know the speaker as I know, this didn't meet the moment, we must do more. I didn't have strong enough. Hand in the budget negotiations you know and for Jimani to say you know what I've found a different piece of leverage, and I'm not okay with just business as usual on policing and use this tool and a disruptive fashion to insist on something better again. We're GONNA come back. And have the power. And if you told me we were going like default on our on some loaned as a result and risk our bond rating, that I would have a different answer, but so far it does not look like that. It looks to me and I guess this is what I'd say. It looks to me like the risk of are doing too little to reckon with the systemic racism in policing is much greater than the risk that we will jeopardize the soundness of our cities, economic or fiscal health or safety. Are there there. There's there's a lobby continue on there, but since we have only three more minutes with you, we really want to obviously get to your rationale and the NYPD budget piece of the larger city budget. Great so. Give us your your own review why it fell short of your commitment and lead you to vote No. Yup Super Thank you. Look after the killing of George Floyd I'm Brianna Taylor this very powerful movement you know led by black leaders but diverse an intergenerational has taken to the streets in a way. That really seems to see much more clearly than in the past that that you know racism in policing is systemic it goes much beyond policing for sure but but focused at the moment on policing and that we're not gonNA. GonNa. Be Able to sow that at the margins, but we really have to reckon with the fact that we do way too much. We try to south every public safety problem with police, whether it's mental distress or domestic violence or homelessness or reckless driving or school, safety, or on and on, and that the consequence of that expanding of the forest. Some great new data came out from the Vera Institute showing. Showing we have in New York City. Many more police officers per person than any of our peer cities know we have one nypd of every hundred and sixty two people la one for every three Oh, eight Houston one for every three sixty, so we're spending fifty or sixty percent more on policing in New York City than our peer cities, so it's both fiscal issue because when you have a budget crisis, you. You can't be spending on schools or summer, youth or social services, because you're spending so much on policing, and it becomes a public safety and racial justice issue, because instead of being creative in how to help people out of a situation of domestic violence or help them with emergency mental health. We send cops with guns and handcuffs, and the results in sue so That's going to be a long term process of. And I love what our colleagues in Minneapolis are doing to You know they are amending their charter to replace the police. Department with a Department of community safety and violence prevention, which will have some policing in it, but we'll try to reinvent how they achieve public safety with community safety at its core and policing at the margins, instead of policing at the core and everything else at the margins. We have to get there, but the way to take the first step was to rise to the moment to put a hiring freeze in place, and to make a meaningful cut to the NYPD and this budget just did not do it. Well a lot to unpack there but unfortunately you know we only have so much time, so we appreciate. Appreciate. You Know Giuliani is one of my one of my allies. Will continue that part of the conversation with her for sure and you know there's lots unpacked there in terms of you know holding up the what we don't fully know what the Minneapolis model will really look like, but you know the idea of sort of a semi I guess you can't. You can't half abolish anything, but you know the conversation around abolishing police department, which looks like not not exactly what they're doing, but they're taking. Don't think they're. They're not balancing their police department replacing it with a department that doesn't have policing at its core has some of it but in a much more limited capacity. Yes, there. We'll talk with you soon down the line council member. Brad Lander. Thanks so much for for joining us here and and we'll talk with you. I really appreciate the invitation all your work. Thank you take care.

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Episode 97: 8,200, with Councilmember Brad Lander

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Episode 97: 8,200, with Councilmember Brad Lander

"Eighty two hundred, the number of new housing units that could potentially be created by proposed of Ghana's a neighborhood built around the Guana canal in Brooklyn. The Department of city planning recently announced, it will resume community engagement around the proposal with the aim of kicking off the official land use process known as you. Euler, in January, can this get done before Mayor de Blasio leaves office or will it suffer a similar fate to Industry City Council member Brad Lander joins us to discuss this rezoning and warm. Welcome to what's the data points from citizens budget. Commission and got them. Is it I'm Ben Max from Gotham Gazette Maria Dulas from CBC and Maria said, we're very happy to be joined by City Council member Brad Lander of Brooklyn today to discuss. The gluttonous rezoning plan at what may or may not get done in the next year or so and also talked to council member lander about his push towards comprehensive planning in the future of lands planning in New York City. There's a lot to get to especially on the heels of our recent discussion which turned into more of a postmortem about the industry city rezoning proposal There is so much happening around land use development the conversation that's going to happen in the twenty twenty, one years the election cycle. So it's great to continue on this team here after we discussed the Industry City rezoning proposal in the last episode, which you should check out. It we're talking the gluttonous rezoning plan and much more here today with councilmember land accounts, Monroe Lander. Thanks for being here. Morning, it's great to be with you. And I just want to say I'm a big fan longtime listener and you know big policy nerd and what's the data is really just constantly delivers a really good ways of thinking about the future of our city. Thank you. We appreciate that yeah. We need. We need to capture the policy nerds otherwise we don't have. We're you know. Are In trouble. So. Just just give listeners a quick actual just a quick background on you you know sort of what you did before joining the city council. So people know a little bit about your resume and background if they're not familiar thank you. That's. That's a nice place to start. So you for the last ten years have been a a member of the New York City Council representing the Thirty Ninth District of Brooklyn neighborhoods of park slope in Galanos in Carroll Gardens and Windsor Garrison. Kensington. Before that I worked for fifteen years in community development I as the director of the Fifth Avenue Committee which is an affordable housing community, development tenants, rights, organizing, and economic. Development Group in the area that tries to create jobs portable housing and dislike dignity for people in the neighborhood, and then for five years I served as the director of the Pratt Center for community development sort of thinking do tank at the Pratt Institute that works with community groups all around New York City helping them with issues of land use planning economic and Environmental Justice and Housing so that When a community spacing a developer with the you know a ton of well-paid consultants the community has somebody on their side you know, and so I've spent a lot of that time really focused on community based planning and trying to make sure we get the balance. Right we pay attention to the long term needs of the city as a whole but we're also really listening to the voices of people from the. Neighborhood that we just kicked off this week, the Tenth Year of Participatory Budgeting, which is something I helped bring to the city ten years ago just in that same exact place it's a big budget. We've got giant needs in the city as a whole, but we need more ways in for people to participate in think about what they want for their neighborhood, and that's been one great way of doing it. So you touch on a Lotta themes that I want to explore today with the honest rezoning. But before we get there you WanNa talk a little bit about industry city what happened what are what are your thoughts on that project and what happened and what could have been done differently from did the project deserve to go forward and should have gone forward in the form that was in a different form? Yeah, I mean, I think it's worth. Taking, even one more step back because I think what happened there to some extent was about that project but to such big extent is a bowed the zeitgeist around the issues of development in the city and it just like let's start here. There's really a good reason to be skeptical of rezoning psych. It is easy to understand why people start thinking. You know the Rezoning I've seen I think they've displaced a lot of low income and working class tenants. Feels like they've strained existing infrastructure by building housing without really thinking about investments that community needs. They feel raid like therefore the developers and that either the folks that own the land before speculators in front runners and developers get rich and that yes, there's a public process by it is it's not real. You know it's kind of for show and. It doesn't actually engage people and I know we'll get to comprehensive planning later. But one thing I find a big challenges is nothing meaningful. There's no real accepted democratic adopted policy goal to judge the re zonings against you know you've got this all this environmental impact statement and you go through this review normally you would be saying what goals are we? Judging this against, but we don't have that at all on the rezoning they don't come with a we said, we wanted these kinds of jobs, this kind of housing, this approach to infrastructure. So what you just have is a proposer, sometimes city hall, but often as in the case of Industry City of a private for profit developer, and of course, their their. Goal generally is their bottom line. You know they're doing the rezoning because it makes sense in their business plan but the story they're going to tell the community on the public is we're doing it for these public goals because ads why the the city council should be considering the public goals, the Community Board, the borough president, the city, Planning Commission and the. Council are supposed to be considering public goals. There's almost like a hypocrisy built into the process where everyone knows that the developer is motivated by their business plan and their goals, and of course they are but we have a public process that says, we're judging it based on public ones and I do think that like kind of core hypocrisy again, it's a big part of I. Hope we can get to some more comprehensive planning model. So we'd have some shared goals, but I think that just hurts every single application and I really think that hurt industry city. You know I think that the developer they're nice just in full disclosure I you know I listen to your episode with Andrew Kimball Carlos Mint chocolate, and they are both longtime friends of mine you know I've known them both a long time I really think of them oath as friends and people who I whose integrity are really deeply trust in admire. But you know. So I think what? What, what did that process in was almost more this bigger set of Zeitgeist problems than it was anything in particular about that application, I like to imagine doing it again and we're there had been a comprehensive planning process that people in Sunset Park felt like they had gotten to be a part of. So their desire to say Houston, WE WANNA see at Bush terminal and here's what we want to see a Brooklyn Army terminal and we WANNA see for that Bush Terminal Piers Park and we can't get to that park right now and we don't have enough access to dry job training for manufacturing jobs and we WANNA see the new wind The wind energy if it if had been that plan and this project had been able to fit into that broader plan with public investment than I think you could imagine it having gone totally differently in a way where it could feel like a win win instead of like lose lose. On that for another minute I mean you know it seemed like with the Zeitgeist you're pointing to you know it seems like we've had. A. Really Long period of sort of like a let's get to. Yes atmosphere and now we don't have that generally speaking We'll get into the specific one you're working on where the where the you know your attitude of courses get. Yes. As you as you look to move it forward but The this sort of. Process that unfolded there you know, and again, generally speaking more about the process is there was a bit of an iterative process right there was you know the council member making certain demands in many of those being met. Then there were some new additional concerns in. I'm just not quite certain what went off the rails they're other than the sense that there was this you know very vocal community opposition that that didn't want the council member to go forward. But I think the problem there is so much of what the Sunset Park community wants. It was not on the table because they're not things industry city can deliver. So the people of Sunset, Park Day are nervous about affordable housing and they were nervous about it before the pandemic and are really nervous about it now and industry said, he can't deliver affordable housing but that doesn't mean it's not the prime driver and thing that people are thinking in sunset park as they're approaching these questions of land use and rezoning and even on lot. Of the ideas for good green jobs, there's enormous opportunity at the city owns South Brooklyn, Marine Terminal and Brooklyn Army Terminal and Bush terminal and a lot of the ways of thinking about how could we invest in something a little more like the Brooklyn Ab Yard where we get good green jobs where people have opportunities. So you know all of those things are the. Land Use expectations that a lot of people in sunset park bring to thinking about like rezoning development and the future of our neighborhood and those things I mean there was certainly obviously a lot of conversation about jobs and job access IT industries city But along the you know the business plan of Industry City and not with that much broader tableau of the waterfront in. mind. So that's just where I and again I think you're right that industry city try to have for a private developer, a lead rezoning an iterative community conversation. It's just what the community said. They wanted were all these things that that rezoning couldn't deliver. So I don't know what could have happened differently in the narrow confines of this one private application I really don't know. Gets back to guests as some of the comprehensive planning or not even comprehensive but just. Bigger broader planning where some people, it seems like we're looking for the mayoral administration to. Fit this into as you're indicating a bigger picture and that never and I mean, it's tired to just blame mayor de Blasio in city. Hall. For things these days but I do feel this is one more example you know I remember having conversations with Andrew Kimball who had run the Brooklyn Navy Yard early in his days at industry city and he went to Deputy Mayor Alicia Glen at the time and said I'd like to do. Something more like the Brooklyn Navy Yard but to do something like that, require city capital like the reason that Brooklyn Navy Yard can do it as this city invest in the infrastructure industry city has a lot of infrastructure needs. There are a hundred year old buildings. They have a huge amount of infrastructure investment that's needed either there's a model where the city could put the capital in and then you could offer more light manufacturing and jobs. And offer affordable Rennes. Or if you're not GONNA get the city investment, then you need a business model that finds ways to bring that that money N. so even without going to the bigger issues of affordable housing in Sunset Park, the other city owned assets obviously, which would have needed city engagement just on industry city more city engagement was needed and it was never there even early on. Deputy. Mayor Glenn didn't bring it and then. At the end when it might or might have been an opportunity when when council member Chaka Kinda called out to city hall a you know this is going to have any chance of going forward. We Need City Hall to engage city. Hall just decided not to show up on this one and so sure that it was stock in the narrow confines of this one still big but specific rezoning and I think in that with that setup. I I don't know how. Yeah I mean there's a lot of what you said and I think you know you make a key point here that industry city cannot be the one to substitute for what is more properly and appropriately city capital investment and so I think what ends up happening is the community sees these kind of private applications as their opportunity to finally sort of like wave the flag and say, these are the type of investments we want in our community, but it's not the sort of right dialogue. To happen around that application right and reflecting on that podcast as you know, CBC tries to explore this issue and think about how to improve this process It seemed to me there could have been an agreement on that project and then together a unified front to say to the city now. Okay. This is how we want a plan around this for our community and fit this project in. This is what we need on the sort of core capital infrastructure and other investments to make it all work. Yeah I. Agree You. Could you know that that would be better than what we had for sure. You know better still if we could get there would have been and whether it be a full citywide comprehensive plan or just a planning process for the neighborhood in Richmond. Array. Of decisions made some investments got prioritize and some rules got set for private owners including industry city like you can imagine a world where would have been a planning process with all of that actually that would have given industry city an as of right have to a set of things that have been agreed upon in community planning and. That certainly would have been much more what residents neighborhood womp but I think it would have been much more wet. Any industry city would would want to which is then a clear path forward and and that's really you know maybe we should come up with a different name that comprehensive planning because what we want our clear public goals for what we expect from development, what we're going to do with our infrastructure. And what we're going to require expect of private actors. So they know the rules. So the rules are fair transparent equal across the board, but also deliver on the public goals, and then it'd be a lot easier to judge not just like your does your deal be application comply with zoning is the plan that's being presented in sync with the goals. We all said we had for economic and housing development future the city. May. Overhead Maria. Maybe will come back to some of that later We WanNA, get to go on his obviously but as a transition to go on what was what was going through your mind when you saw lots of your colleagues will in on the industry plan, you've got to go honest thing going for years obviously in it's going to be coming up but you see this big discussion about jobs in the city development some council members saying we gotta get this done other saying leave Carlos alone and what was going through your mind. I mean it bears noting that you know I think like the four may be most involved councilmembers here on the two opposing sides of that are amongst my closest friends and colleagues in the council. So you know Carlos Machaca Antonio, who is I think the first council member to Kinda you know loudly supporting back in just two of my my dearest. Friends that have done a lot of work with them. But Richer Donovan Richards also I endorse both of them in their recent races, which was not sort of what folks Kinda, my movement Progressive Space maybe did in. Entirely in both those races. So you know mostly what I thought is. This is a really you know we've not long known that the politics of development and planning and land use in New York City are challenging. This is even more challenging. Amazon was a was a big fight and we had a lot of debates but you know I make no apologies for I think that development as they proposed in the governor and the mayor gave it to them was not the right way forward and not everyone agrees with that of course but most of my close friends and you know and and running buddies were on one side of that here I'm thinking. Wow. This is the politics of development or just even more fraught polarized, and you can understand in some ways why the pandemic makes this harder in a we are more polarized think the challenges of the model that we've had for economic development. Its shortcomings are more clear and yet on the other hand, we desperately need job creation and economic development investment in the future of the city. So it's easy to understand why feels even more polarized, but it's it's hard. It's distressing is a time when you want to have unity you WanNa have that we can all pull together in the face of this. Crisis and build a unified vision for a just recovery that really does invest in the city create jobs give us a sense of common shared project But in a way that is a attends to issues of racial and economic inequality that so scored the city. So that's what we WANNA have together and instead We're really stuck in a hard place where people are even having a hard time like listening where the fights are loud and angry and yeah, we'll see that makes me anxious about the go on his rezoning I'd be lying to you if I if I pretended like. It, it wasn't true but I guess I will say we can get into this. We've spent really the better part of a decade listening I. Think if you know if there was a competition for planning process in which the most people were engaged, the most amount across all these lines of difference and you try to set places where people could listen to each other and you try to start from setting public goals and then a really dug in on them We've done that as much as I've seen anyone ever do it i. hope like my fingers are crossed that has built enough. Organizing, energy to demand the things that we need, there's been a lot that the administration has agreed to hear, and we'll talk about that. There's still some things we need that are have not been agreed to especially around the public housing developments but I hope that we built up enough community alignment both to win the things we really need for this to be affordable sustainable resilient midst us in the public interest and then to have enough support to get us to go sir. So. In some ways, we've jumped a little bit ahead here. Let's explain to those who are not following closely. What would this rezoning proposal is it's a neighborhood rezoning. It's different than the industry city project. So. Explain you know the neighborhood would it would cut with the neighborhood looks like now what the rezoning would do with the goals of it aren't some of the outlines of the proposal. So the gone canal sits in between the neighborhoods of Carroll Gardens and Parks Lope. And Boerum, Hill to the north it. Once, upon a time was the swamp Ghana's creek, but it was developed as one of the very earliest and for a time, the busiest of America's industrial urban waterways and both manufacturing and coal gasification for energy happened around the banks of the Guana Canal. Was a big part of the driver of of Brooklyn's economic industrial history. It was a big source of pollution. So the the dissolved oxygen content in the Guana Canal went two zero in nineteen, zero five. So this is not like modern Bluejean. This is the early Industrial Volusia in its had that history the land around has been polluted. The canal itself is declared a superfund site because it's got such deep toxins but you know about ten years ago the EPA came in and declared a superfund site that was A. Big Argument at the time of Bloomberg administration opposed it. But I lot of neighborhood activists people on both sides of the of the rezoning all agreed we need to have this a superfund site and WanNa get it drags we want to get it clean. We don't see US owes combined sewer overflow continuing to pollute the canal. Let's get that done and that those processes move slowly but it's on past even the trump EPA has not canceled at. And the dredge is going forward as work going on to repair the bulkheads so that the canal it'll be a ten year long process of dredging so that the canal can be dredged on the water cleaner and the city will be responsible for building two tanks that hold the sewage so that it doesn't flow into the Canal during storm water events. So that means we've got this wonderful opportunity because the canal and the area around it is going to be getting. Cleaner and more resilient, and so it presents an opportunity and the sites around the canal are zoned currently for manufacturing. There is an area that's in the South Brooklyn Industrial Business Zone or the IBM Z.. We are not rezoning Brunell proposing to rezone that area that area will stay for manufacturing jobs, and in fact, we got some proposals to invest more there so that people can actually build an invest in manufacturing and industrial businesses. But outside of the IBM Z., you have a lot of land that is currently. Under utilized, it's What has happened is an interesting thing like people are using it for you know there's a climbing gym a lot of cross fit? Archery Shuffleboard Club there's little kid tennis there's acts throwing I always say we want a mix of uses, England s but honestly like drinking alcohol and throwing axes, not the mix of uses that I I think we should have in mind. It's become a little bit of a playground and you know of your family in park slope were. Carroll Gardens you like that. Hey, there's shuffleboard glover. We could go to archery today but but I don't think that's really the the best model for what this area can be and what kind of value it can contribute to the city. So the idea here is that. It would resume those areas right around the canal. To allow the development of of mixed. Mixed income housing using a bunch of privately owned sites on which mandatory inclusionary housing would be mapped. The buildings would be you know up to about twenty stories so tall by the characteristics of the. Three Story Brownstone, a block, and a half from the canal. But not you know huge by the by kind of what's in downtown Brooklyn or or Manhattan. There's one city on site called public place that would be all affordable housing with a school in Waterfront Park. We've been really thoughtful about how to keep gone mixed and creative. So we've got a whole new zoning category called the. Mix that would be in those new buildings. So they'll have their residential that have ground floor retail some on the canal and some on the side streets but there's also room for a news owning category. That's arts artisan light manufacturing. A nonprofit uses a bunch of the mid blocks between third and fourth avenue and third nevins avenue or not being rezoned to residential. So you'll have residential on the avenues but still commercial and light manufacturing in some office and retail on the side streets. Exciting a good new waterfront access zoning four, the canal itself you get a continuous waterfront esplanade plan with sea level rise in mind you have to developers will have to show up half that is You know with an eye toward high tide in twenty one hundred. So really thinking a lot about resilience and sustainability. Buildings according to laws we built will have to have rooftop wind or solar or green roofs so That's the plan. and. You know I understand why the reasons we talked about. Before there is skepticism about it. It's a rezoning and you know a lot of it is private developers but I think if people will like take a deep breath can try to lean pass that fear. You can see that thinking about making it inclusive and affordable making it sustainable and resilient making genuinely mixed-use investing in the infrastructure needed to sustain growth are really exactly what we need for the city's recovery through this crisis. So one of the questions that I've been thinking about as we consider land-use zonings here is you know who represents and speaks for the community because we hear this a lot right like community engagement, and often you find that the groups that are kind of most vocal are very sophisticated and have a certain point of view and they may represent the broader swath or they may not. Right and so how do you? How can you be sure you're really getting the variety of opinion and the full spectrum of sentiment from the people in the neighborhood you know from the person who is very active and attends their community board meetings to you know like the two working parents who may or may not vote but obviously care about what happens on their block in their community. I think you're beginning point is the most important one we we wanna think about what does the community think as though ultimately, the community will speak with one voice and no communities speaks with one voice. There's a multiplicity of voices and the responsibility in the public sector is to make room for all of them to be sensitive to the ones that are least likely to be heard and try to listen let them be hard to not. Try to reduce them There are gonNA. Be People there who oppose the idea of new development England us from the beginning and they're going to till the end and it's important to keep listening and this rezoning has gotten a lot better because we kept listening to people So we've had I was trying to count I. Wish We'd kept count because I think it's probably over a hundred but I can't prove it so I'm going to. Say for sure it's over fifty public meetings like and not I don't mean private meetings that we've had hundreds of those. But at at least fifty public meetings, large forums and small working groups in public housing developments in churches outside in parks in the businesses, and we focused on topics, affecting homeowners, tenants, artists, lots of artists in the neighborhood. There's a ton of people care about the environment small business owners during we started this without. City planning. We did a process called Bridging Galanos, which was led by the elected officials in the area in partnership with a bunch of community groups, and we made a bunch of space for kind of large and small conversations. One of those meetings was taken over. There was like an occupy of like bell ringing and and I thought that was great. You know I I freaked out I wanted to be like shut up but honestly it was A super part of the process, and then the city came in and to their credit on this one, they set up a really good online portal but they also did a ton of in person meetings. They created five groups on small business issues, housing issues, art shoes, environment issues, and space at anyone could join, and each of those groups had five meetings. So you really got to dig down in than they've also gone out and said. Okay on issues of public housing got gotTa do more to listen in public housing developments, and so there's been broad a lot of brought out region. It has made room for I. Think some of the traditional voices that you hear in these rezoning but a lot of a lot of cases people who who don't show up as much. One of the subsequent meetings was sort of occupied by a group of public housing residents who said this does. Not include them. They were right and I agree an significant investment public housing and it still doesn't. So unless we get there were not going to be able to do this rezoning because even though it's got a lot of marriage within its own boundaries, you can't in a neighborhood that basically you know because gentrification in this area took place a while ago almost all of the low income families in the neighborhood live in public housing. Developments and you can't say, Hey, we're going to create is great new mixed income community, his beautiful new affordable housing around a renovated canal. But we're just GONNA leave the dilapidated public housing where the vast majority of families of color and low income families currently live in in really deteriorating conditions and call that equity because we think our zonings good. So so they they've been able to raise their voices and I'll just say one last thing here. you know folks who are the opposition are organized and they have some some groups in that's totally appropriate. But there's a wonderful coalition called the Guan's Neighborhood Coalition for justice which is. The Fifth Avenue Committee Guan's CAL conservancy public housing residents leaders, and like you know twenty other groups and they have worked together to articulate their concerns and demands and expectations of this rezoning, and that's a diverse group, and they have a lot of different goals but they really have tried to say we're open to this if it can be done right and here's what we think that means so. That isn't that doesn't make it the sole voice of the community either but it has been really helpful to have thoughtful organizing. That's tried to bring people together across a lot of lines just to clarify a couple of things. So this sort of originated out of elected officials saying you know we should we should take a look at this area and and figuring out ways to put into better use. And then the Administration Soda Sorta saw that work thought this could fit nicely into our housing plan. We brought it. So yes. So Bridging Galanos took place. Before we started, it started in twenty thirteen before the two thousand thirteen election. So before there was a de Blasio administration, there was this conversation. There was a sort of diverse point of view there. I think that what came out of that were a set of broad bowls and we felt comfortable going to city hall and saying if it's genuinely affordable if this investment in public housing, if you get sustainability and resilience, right if you keep Ghana's creative and if you invest in the infrastructure needed for growth, we're open to working with you there was. A dissenting point of view and we like even published their descendants like those people who disagree with that and we took it I actually went and met with Deputy Mayor Glenn on maybe the third day of the de Blasio administration was like a snowy Friday right after the inauguration and said, I think we've got something special here where people have been engaged collectively we would still need a lot more engagement. And for a while, they were really resistant to do it and I don't know some of that is that it is a complex neighborhood because we're trying to preserve some manufacturing in keep it mixed-use. In hindsight, I want I gotta be honest I think. When we look back on the Bosnia ministration and we know that the vast majority of the rezoning were in income communities of Color you know we're going to have to ask some questions about why that was an I. Don't know whether it wasn't that there was a thought that it would be easier to get the rezoning done there either because of a mistaken idea that people would be more hungry for growth in new affordable housing after years of disinvestment or because there would be less organizing in opposition but. It was not easy to get the DE BLASIO administration to lean into coming out and starting at took a couple of years before they kicked off the the process. But yes, eventually, as they were kind of thinking about their my age plans and they look at the platform, we built through that community planning they came in and said, okay, let's go through and do some planning and before it reason hair and so that additional information on top of what you said earlier adds to this feeling where I wanna say this is taking too long I mean that's a that is way too long time line and it's great to do so many meetings but that's too many meetings I mean. You know would some of those could have been emails Yeah. That's so interesting because I was having the same feeling like on the one hand how wonderful have this robust community engagement on the other hand you're talking about a years long process before you even start the official land use action right and it's such a slow process contrasted with like the fact that we're supposed to be the city that never sleeps and everything is so fast paced. Than we have this tremendous churn of people, right tons of people come here. Every year tons of people leave usually it's a net plus though recently, it hasn't been right. We've been losing population and I'm starting to wonder whether this sort of slow glacial pace of being to adapt the city is hurting us in being a constraint on growth and I want to save just real quick. Very. Clearly, neither of us is saying skip the communion games right. I. Don't disagree with you I look I don't WanNa. Be brokered record on comprehensive planning and I don't think it will be a panacea and you're going to need a process to evolve over times I. Found me this job. This quote the other day from I think it's from Eisenhower who I never quoted before. He said. Something like comprehensive plans are worthless. Comprehensive Planning is everything you know like don't be thinking comprehensively and engaging in it and not getting stuck with kind of a rigid document that you know. So so but in the absence of that I, don't you know it's hard to figure out what to do. It's not like the weren't things happening in go on it's all those businesses I mentioned. You know what? The act growing shuffleboard like all of that is like people responding to the incentives created by the absence of of new rules and lots of activity was taking place. It's just not activity that was maximizing the kind of values and goals affordable housing, good jobs that that we that we want and need. So I don't know what I'd like to try is developing a good comprehensive planning process we're trying to. Come out with Antonio Reynoso and I are working on something that are really like answer some of the questions and details we hope the planning commission and the Charter of Vision Commission would do that they kind of just kept coming back and asking us even though we were anyway. So So you get bounded process, you do it, and then you try to let those guidelines govern for a while. With the process for changing evolving them, Wednesday things shift and change. But in the absence of it and and I, think you spoke to this shift beforehand what we've relied on in the past is we won't have deep community engagement we won't have comprehensive planning will just let developers kind of shotgun the process assume that it can be negotiated to. Yes. By you know by the end of the day. N. whatever you thought of that process before it is not working currently, and so if we wanna be able to do something that can evolve the rules, it's GonNa be pretty inclusive I hear you that this process took a long time and and I don't disagree that we could have had plenty of engagement in a shorter period of time but I do think the fact that we did it put us in a good spot I'm glad we now have a deadline I will say that you know we can get this done. We've got whatever it is fourteen months left to the end of the of the administration, the end of my term in the council. And a deadline is helpful. I think there are people that say wait we want a new planning process we want a new racial impact analysis process. We want the superfund done. We want to be able to have in person meetings. Let's just push this out and hope it doesn't happen because we know that if it doesn't get done in this administration, you know somebody knew would start all over again and maybe it'll be another decade. So deadline is good, and in this case we've got one and I think it can motivate us to answer the questions that have to be answered to make those improvements not only but especially around public housing and get this done in the time we have. So what are the sticking points? What do we? What do we need to know about where the disagreement is what you? Haven't convinced people in the community about how what people want more of from the administration. Can you tick off for us? Live. Let me start with some things that think are actually really good and people just don't know about yet and then and then talk about a couple of the sticking points We're going to be having the. Wants to certify this application in. January. So we're going to have a couple more community meetings in it is like obviously coming back to this amidst Cova did you know it takes some looking to me. It's exactly what we need in the face of covert. It's exactly the kind of resilient affordable, inclusive, sustainable job creating affordable housing creating development we want but but so I on those issues sustainability. Is a great new stormwater rule. One of the big commitments that people have wanted is that new development won't add any pollution to the canal because we're cleaning up the canal and the city. Is has we've just adopted a DP developed in the council passed a new city wide stormwater role that strengthens the requirements that developers have for what happens with the Storm Water and wastewater on their sites and it's it's so stringent at all apply citywide is not only about bananas but go on. This is the first place that it's being applied. It's so stringent that. They'll actually if the as the rule is now past at the rezoning goes into effect and developers develop their sites. They have to do such significant storm water and wastewater treatments that their sights will actually put less stormwater runoff into the canal in storm events, and as a result, the canal will actually get a little bit cleaner as a result of new development that's not as significant as the superfund cleanup and the CFO tanks. Those are the most important, but actually, development will make the. Canal. Cleaner and then the great esplanade and sustainability and resilience treatments I mentioned there are a big deal will also be having a meeting about that galant screen, the public place site that's now going to be Pogo on a screen, which is the one city on site This city initially proposed that would be seventy five percent affordable. We're pushing to get it one hundred percent affordable at a wide range of income. So. Low Income Seniors and formerly homeless folks but also working and lower middle class folks who certainly cannot afford to live in Park Silver Carroll Gardens today there as well that'll be eight or nine hundred, maybe even thousand units of portable housing with a school with Waterfront Har-? Really beautiful and and resilient design will have a meeting on that in the near. Future nothing people will be excited about that. There's two great new zoning infrastructure bonus tools in the rezoning. That are brand new a schools bonus that I won't go into here, but we'll get the details later, that will make it possible. Basically, the sites have sort of twenty story buildings on the water but Dan along lower building as the it meets the. Community and you'll be able to do a school in that lower part with a rooftop playground as a really innovative way of getting new school developments even beyond the one on the publicly site, it's a great tool that I think will get the schools we need, and I should say one thing that I think the zoning fits into the work. We've. Done in community school district fifteen to achieve school integration in our middle schools, and actually hopefully in our elementary schools as well. That's a process that's coming up right now. So if we can create the resulting overall would be projected to create eighty, two, hundred housing units, three thousand of them affordable. So three thousand affordable units, Inbetween Park Slope in Carroll? Gardens. That is something that I think we can feel really good about knowing that the kids in from those units will be going to PS fifty, eight, thirty, two in BS twenty nine and like the schools of the neighborhood That's how we're going to create genuinely inclusive multiracial neighborhoods with real opportunity and there's also a transit bonus that were. There's also the fourth avenue also be zoned in this rezoning and we need investments in the The NPR station at Union street really would like to get subway at elevator in a stairwell dares hopefully, the transit bonus is going to work. Out I mean we maybe we can come back this, but I was going to ask the infrastructure in the area can really handle need potential influx of people but but but let's get to the the sticking points for your well. That's an important that was shing on it because we don't actually have confidence yet in that transit bonus is gonNA generate that elevator in stairwells. So that is the details of that are important are getting worked out. You know the environmental impact statement will look at where the street and sewer infrastructure we got out in front of this, and we have made a bunch of investments in sewer infrastructure on Second Avenue and Ninth Street by, but there's you. Know and we've been we've done a lot of work to try to make sure it comes with the infrastructure needed to sustain growth because that is a very fair question for neighborhood residents to ask you know I think people would say I don't love the new tall buildings. They're not my favorite thing but I like the idea of more affordable housing vibrant waterfront. But I can't be expected to live in a neighborhood that has worse Trans Ed Ukwa overcrowded schools, inadequate infrastructure, and we've tried really hard to make sure the plans are in place, and some of that is through public investment and they'll need to be more of it, and some of that is through these bonus tools The the big sticking point I think is to too big remaining things to work through the biggest by far is the public housing. You've got gonesse houses and wyckoff gardens, and between the two of them, they have about two hundred, million dollars in immediate capital. Me Not like ten year need but things that are needed right today They've they've had some investment because PLO sandy, they had to replace the boiler England on houses but. Still. Have roosted leak in that causes mold and you've got you know unit stat of been dilapidated long time in both community centers are closed and people are angry because it's years and years of neglect and their right to be angry, and so then you add this process in all about this beautiful new development nearby and unfortunately you know one thing that I I'm really frustrated about in a most mad at city. Hall. But some of its on me too I just took all these great things we've accomplished. You know rates stormwater role great M I H Gray. Commitments to mixed-use great new zoning bonuses for the infrastructure for schools in transit, and we still don't have a commitment or a real plan to invest in affordable housing. We proposed a bonus model. There's also let the developers build a ten percent more over, but it has to go into Nitra and the city said that's too complicated. We've said we're open to a lot of ways of doing it. The easiest is the city will just make a big capital commitment and invest in those two developments. We would be glad still do a transfer development rights. We're open to other tools. Greg is talking about this new preservation trust may Guana and Wyckoff. To developments in the preservation trust, we're flexible in how we do it, but there has to be a significant investment to a real commitment. Not one that just sounds good. But people don't think it's going to happen in addressing the capital needs in those two developments getting the community centers open for sure. But then really getting into the changes that will make a difference in people's People's homes and we don't have that yet. and then the other thing is As I mentioned, my term is done at the end of next year. So we've got a chance to move this this rezoning through in a strong way but making sure that the commitments are met is a long-term challenge in these things, and especially when you have a new administration that's GonNa come in and say, well, we didn't make those promises. The community wants rightly expect some framework oversight body some way of having confidence and that's needed. You know the at the beginning of the term that Blasio administration agreed to honor the commitment the Bloomberg Administration had maiden in Williamsburg for the Waterfront Park but just recently in the budget, the administration cut the basement program that have been committed any New York to renovate basement units to create affordable housing for homeowners there that was a commitment made in the New York, rezoning to council member Espinola now council member Espinola is gone and cut that money from the budget. So so that's the there needs to be away of having confidence that the commitments made will be kept. Well we? We're running long on. That we're GONNA get to tackle comprehensive planning and also some of the budget issues I wanted to talk to you about. BLENDER sprinkled, in comprehensive planning. I. Think People got the gist though. I. I would agree I think this is critically important both for directing the city's capital investments better more strategically win a more focused way towards things that really matter instead of things that appear nice and you know towards critical infrastructure like water and sewer. And like Nitra instead of things like ribbon cuttings but also I think there's tremendous potential for using that process to spur housing production in a more reasonable and predictable an easier way. So I think it's a great idea I think you know it's something that would benefit the city in the long run and would be good to see your proposal move forward. We've We've covered this issue quite a bit Gotham Gazette and so. We're definitely looking forward to seeing what the specifics look like on that I think I think we'll have to do is have you back when when that's ready and maybe you councilmember Rano. So together in talk about it so I'll be excited to come back and talk about comprehensive planning. Of course, before too long I'll be excited to come on and talk about all the issues of the comptroller's race. That you know I'll be. That you guys dig in on and I'll be excited. About how to handle the ridiculous multiplicity of municipal races that are coming? But. One thing I'll say is I know you guys are going to bring this set of questions into your thinking about the mayor's race, and that is so important that I think it's like because of what we said at the beginning about the polarization in the anger. I think a lot of the mayor candidates. We'll just have any incentive to kind of duck you know and not talk about this stuff. You know give good platitudes. We all want an affordable inclusive sustainable city by, but I think it's on all of us and you guys have a platform to do it to really push here some concrete plans for them. We've got a great opportunity you know even in the absence of comprehensive planning mayor's race coming out of a crisis can be a moment for doing that kind of thinking engagement and I know that. What the data point and CBC and that will be. We'll be secularists. We will thank you Councilmember lander will be watching these next steps on the Guanateed rezoning and if if there's anything, we left a discussion, let let us know afterward we'll. We'll. We'll get back to it soon but thanks thanks for all the time we appreciate it. Thank you.

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Episode 234: Breaking Down The New York City Comptroller Primary

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Episode 234: Breaking Down The New York City Comptroller Primary

"Hello and welcome to what has been max murphy here on. Wbai radio ninety nine point five fm and wb ad or this is ben. Maximum gotham gazette. This is our first show in our first week without gerard murphy. Who we said a tearful goodbye to last week in case you missed the show. Jarrett after fourteen years at city limits Five years doing the and murphy show whether a podcast here. Wbai for a few years And even longer in journalism overall is moving on to nursing school. And he's just getting going there. So he has departed from city limits. And he's departed here from maximum murphy and i will be hosting solo for the foreseeable future but with lots of great guests as usual angry topics on new york politics. So we're working on a new name for the show and we'll have that going in the coming weeks but for now we're so focused on covering the elections. That are imminent. It is june now. We are in the month of the primaries. It is all happening. We are now under three weeks from primary day. Early voting starts in under two weeks. Absentee ballots are already out. It is happening. The twenty twenty one new york city elections are really underway. Now that the ballots have been sent out for those who requested absentee ballots so far and early voting will be starting june twelfth through june twentieth and primary day june. Twenty second. so we're in the stretch run here. We come through memorial day. We've turned the corner and a lot is happening. The new york city controller primary is of course a citywide office for the city's chief fiscal officer chief budget watchdog in incredibly important position and this race is not getting enough attention. We're gonna spend a good long chunk of the show with two great guests breaking down e crowded and competitive democratic primary for new york city controller. I'll be joined in a little bit to do that by nicole. July of the manhattan institute in city journal. She's also a columnist with the new york post. She writes on urban economics and finance and has been of course following the controller race more closely than most people and jeff colton a political reporter for city and state new york crispin doing some of the best day in day out coverage of the twenty twenty one elections mostly focused on the role race but jeff is focused on everything and knows a great deal about all the races happening. So make sure you stick around for that discussion in a little bit on the city controller race. It's a crowded field of competitors in the democratic primary in a really important election coming up so we'll break down the candidates the issues and what to know about the city controller primary as we are here in the stretch run of that race as well and now we're going to shift momentarily to discuss the other highly competitive citywide democratic primary in the race. That will be decided this month. And that is for new york city controller. That is the city's chief fiscal officer chief. Budget watchdog the chief Pension fiduciary for the public pension funds It is the officer. A citywide officer tasked with auditing every city agency. At least some part of every city agency every four years a very important with citywide power and of course. The city controller almost always winds up running for mayor. Which is what is happening. This year with scott stringer attempting to go from city controller to mayor of new york city. Here in this year's primary so as much of the attention has been on the mayoral race. Not enough attention has been on the controller race. And that's what we're going to dedicate the rest of today's show too. I have two great guests coming on now to help us break it all down if you haven't been paying attention yet or even if you have a little bit we're going to go through the key candidates and the issues and what voters should be thinking about as you try to make your choices and of course under ranked choice voting. You can rank up to five of these candidates if you a democratic primary voter so joining me now are nicolaas. Who's a senior fellow at the manhattan institute. A contributing editor of city journal and a columnist at the new york post. Nicole writes about economics and finance and much more and so she is a great expert to talk about the controller. Race with nicole. Thanks for having the thanks for joining me. And jeff colton is a political reporter for city and state new york who writes all sorts of good stuff for city and state including the campaign season campaign confidential newsletter. You can find at city and state. Jeff thanks for joining me controller talking about the mayor again rate week data. We we gotta talk about the controller race. Because as i was saying a minute ago. It's so important getting not enough attention and And that's what we brought you to great guests on to to discuss so nicole. What are a couple before we get into the candidates in. I'll let jeff mostly give a rundown of the candidates in sort of who they are what they're what they're all out but before we get into the candidates. What's in your telling what's important about who's controller. What are the most important sort of qualities that a city controller can have. Yes thank spin. And i'm glad you asked because i just got my my handy voter guide in the mail today. In the the city's non partisan voter guide they describe the controller as the city's financial officer. But that's not exactly accurate. I mean if you think about a corporation that has a ceo and then a cfo. They work together. They are not really meant to be checks and balances on each other just the. Cfo has no unilateral Watchdog power over the ceo. The cfo has budget advice. Almost certainly the ceo is going to take it or the cfo will resign. So it's it's really not it's it's it's not quite comparable and i'm not like trying to nitpick about it. It's just it's kind of important that people understand exactly what we're talking about here. Which is this is really not a managerial role. The only thing that controller manages is his or her staff which is a big staff about eight hundred or nine hundred people depending on the the headcount for the year but it's almost entirely in advisory watchdog role they the controller staff puts out regular reports on the city. Budget has prove city contracts but only for fraud. The controller can't disapprove contract because he or she just thinks it's a bad contract. doesn't audit of city agencies every four years every single city on it has to be or every single city agency has to be audited. But again it's only an advisory audit the controller can say Particular government departments The old department of homeless services doing a terrible job then mayor can just entirely ignore that advice and even with the city pension funds controller is only one of several trustees on the pension funds. The state controller actually has a lot more managerial power over the state pension fund. It's an important rule. I mean if the controller were say. The city budget is not balanced. I think people would give a lot of weight to that but it is. It is not something that gives you management's experience to then go on and say you know you you manage something drew a crisis and now you're that's that's not by itself qualification from their jeff. The the role of controller is Is sort of fairly political right. It's it's managing everything nicole just mentioned but then sort of to nicole's point to get change. You have to sort of use the bully pulpit or you have to know how to really You know get the press to help drive the point home on your audits or And then you know controllers pretty much always wind up running for mayor reminisces kind of a highly political job both in substance but also as a as a bit of a training ground of sorts right. And it's it's wrong to To deny that fact that controllers end up running for mayor and that You know frankly it's in the city's interest to have a controller who is I guess Ready for the big show in case they do end up there. It's almost a training ground. But you know even even when they're still in the job of controller it does give the the holder of the office a very formal platform and quite a microphone to formally criticise the mayor or other aspects of the city government And and i think that's a very important job you know. The can you know put their auditors on a certain jobs and that can uncover Waste fraud abuse. ooh whatever else. i guess what. We've seen what we've seen. Scott stringer take a particular interest in nitra for example right and so You know he's sort of hammered that home but then there's been a good bit of reporting you know he didn't really look at the nypd too closely so there's a lot of choices to be made. Yeah definitely and i think the controllers are often pitching themselves as you know the individual who has the skills to to do all of this and You know in some ways. It is a managerial role in that. you know. the the controller's job is really to assign their professional staffers to do to do certain things More so than you know. Allocate the pension fund on their own or to audit Personally these agencies. So i think that is a role in it it. It suggests that Yes political experience could help. It's not just a job for Somebody who's been you know managing funds on wall street or whatever although that may help could yes so let's talk about qualifications here. This is a debate in virtually every election for every office but but the controller's office is a fairly highly technical office. Now we elect the office older. It's political java's oh sane but there. There are a lot of technical aspects of it when you're looking at a field of candidates and we'll get into the specifics of the field in just a minute but nicole. When you're looking at a field of candidates for controller what are the most important qualifications to you. I think independence from the mayor is pretty important. I mean in contrast to the kirk corporate world this is supposed to be a checks and balance roll and string you has proven independent of the mayor. I mean whether it was You know as as jeff mentioned looking closely at night you doing. Several oughta sunday services dependence on. Who tells us shelters you know he's always been willing to say to us not doing a very good job on on a lot of issues but i think it goes beyond independence from the mayor and do you want someone who just takes an entirely different outlook to some of these sort of bread and butter Democratic primary issues you know for example they all say they want to safeguard the city's pension funds. And that's a good idea but you never see any of the candidates sort of questioning structure of the pension. Funds can the city of forward indefinitely to have defined benefit pension farms that have existed in the private sector in in forty years. Now so you know. Independence of a person's particular Management strategy is good independence of what is the framework and the goals here might be better and in something that some of these candidates might offer some might not All right let's dig into this field here. It's a large field on the democratic side. Highly competitive a bunch of current officeholders than some Some folks from outside government who couple of raised a good bit of money a couple of have some serious expertise in the field but probably a very very long road to to try to make any real noise when the voting happens here but just to just to highlight one point that you gotta jeff When you said you know we shouldn't deny that you know the people who are controller run for mayor. That's that's one thing i've been saying through this this race a little bit. Is that unless you over. Politicized the office the motivation to do a really good job as controller and hold. The you know. The mayor's feet to the fire. Nicole's point in chillier independence. You can work out pretty well for for new yorker so that is an interesting question among this field is who is per potentially looking to use as stepping stone but when when it's probably a fact that any of them elected will eventually look at running for mayor. You know it's really about a question of who do you trust to be independent. Who do you trust to not over-politicise the role. Who do you trust to manage the office. Well make good decisions and so forth are jeff. Let's run through every single candidate. But who's who do you consider sort of the you know the top contenders here. And then i can. I can fill in the rest of the field. Sure i'll give my my basic rundown City council speaker cory johnson Certainly has to be the top of the list. He has led The little bit of public polling that we've seen which i don't want to put too much stock in but he's lead the public polling. He has the most money on hands by far of any candidate and Probably the best name recognition or at least close to it because he served four years as city council speaker and actually a pretty high profile one is that was looking to run for mayor before this He's considered to be you know somewhat of progressive. But i think he's definitely gotten a lot of criticism from the city most left left in recent years because he's A little bit you know. I guess he hasn't followed exactly what the left has been calling for. You hasn't been quite as aggressive as say a brad lander who's also running in this race and is definitely running at the most progressive candidates in the controller fields. He has been running laps at tv. Ads with support from Just a murderer's row of progressives alexandria. Ocasio cortez and elizabeth warren. And it's it's been you know he's certainly Running in that lane also has a lot of a lot of money on hand there are to Speak senators bryan. Benjamin and kevin parker They both Have a personal affinity for each other with the said. Many times both Both black senators from real electoral powerhouses kevin and harlem. Sorry ken parker and central brooklyn. Brian benjamin in harlem benjamin's definitely been running stronger campaign with with lots of support from county. Party elected officials labor unions. Kevin parker's been running Pretty underwhelming campaign. so i would say benjamin Has the edge there although they both do have similar backgrounds having being state senators and also having some experience in money management with investment firms. This is leading candidates. And there's also michelle caruso cabrera former. Cnbc a news anchor against alexandria. Ocasio cortez in the democratic primary last year ran a real anti-socialist campaign. You know saying that. Afc was way too far to the left. She's now running in the democratic forum of the democratic primarily for controller That it looks. She was a financial journalist. She knows how to look through balance sheet and abc this experience. You know personally. I wouldn't trust myself running for mayor. Just because i've covered the mayor's race but to be fair a much longer and more stories career. Cnbc than than i have had. I had zero david weapon. I should say dave. Dave yes jeff. You don't wanna you don't want to provoke david weapons wrath here exactly. What men weapon has actually had A pretty strong campaign. He's got a lot of Lot of outside support He certainly has the years of experience on the city council the assemblies currently and assembly member And you know really could be I mean he's lucky. He's notoriously boring. He says that is on tv. Ads but He could be you know potential sleeper for for people looking for a steady hand. The name that know so right. You're cleaning up the Endorsements in his native queens. He's run for controller before he's kinda running in a more moderate Lane here you know. Got the endorsement of the police police benevolent association. For example. you know certainly You know looking to sort of just Appeal to those who wanna steady and the office somewhere experience. Not too much of a agenda. So i'll also add to the list of the field zach. Schal military veteran a nonprofit executive entrepreneur. Who was running for mayor for a little while has a strong network where he's able to raise a good bit of money so he's definitely a mix of bit could make some noise very strong presence in interviews and forums and you know has been clearly studying up learning stuff and then i mentioned the. There's a couple of people with some really strong experience but who are not politicians and haven't raised a lot of money and that's racial patel and terry lifton both very interesting. I've interviewed both of them. They know their stuff very well but You know a very tough road for them to make a lot of noise politically So nicole what are you hearing in not hearing you know sort of headlines. What are some things that this field seems to be focused on. That sounds pretty good to you. What are you not hearing from them. Or what are some of the in lowlights of what you've been hearing so far. Well i mean. I guess the first challenge is just to try to generate any headlines. You know apart from the did more Trade press very hard to break into the mainstream Press even the new york times with much attention to this race. So i think that's the first challenge which certainly Helps people like cory. Johnson and brad lander and david weapon. We'll have spent years building up name. Recognition against people like Like like zakia school. But i think one striking thing is that both benjamin and parker they have in their top three priorities. They want to use the controller's office to try to hold the police accountable Parker said he wants to use it to restore faith in law enforcement and Benjamin focused on police accountability in public safety in. This actually is a place where the controller's office it's one of the only places where he or she actually has. The last word in that the controller has to sign off on every single financial settlements That arises from a lawsuit that new york city enters into you if the controller does not sign off on police elements. They won't happen. That's very different from almost anything else that the controller does so it would be kind of interesting to see what what an aggressive controller would do with that in terms of do they look into why the city just luccin. Lee settles Police brutality and police wrongdoing cases. Really without looking into the merits. I mean that seems like a case of the worst of both worlds that were settling cases that we probably shouldn't have settled and we're settling cases where it should go much further than that in in result in the officers Being disciplined or or fired. So that's just a stroke. Anything Johnson lander even though they be or certainly known as progressive. They're they're clearly pushing this as a jump stone to different office in talking mostly about covert recovery Rebuilding strong fare economy. I mean that that sounds good but again there's almost nothing that controller does that has to do with the day to day decisions. New york city makes in terms of how we recover from co but Jeff water some differences in the field. If we don't we don't want to call her voters and listeners. Here thinking too much on people to really make their decisions. So you know it's it's tough to sort of narrow things down to a top tier but it just in terms of sort of different as you're seeing in the field nicole on a couple of them. Are there other things. You're hearing from these candidates or are there ways that they're trying to assemble coalitions of voters. Endorsements that you can sort of help people understand. You know how this field is sort of breaking down. Absolutely i alluded to a little bit before that Lander is probably the most clearly ideological candidate city councilmember. Brad lander who has the just the lion's share of progressive endorsements including like the working families party and organizations like power revolution and make the road action as well as a lot of elected officials You know notably somewhat of the same coalition that Scott stringer had coming into office. And you know he is Defined himself as a as a proud progressive. I would suppose somebody is looking to Kind of continue. The office in some ways as a stringer has has had it Brad lander is certainly an option Johnson probably has the lion's share of labor union endorsements of course part of this might be because he's currently city council speaker and has a lot of power unions want to be aligned with him but You know that. That's certainly will will help tim as election day comes nearer and you know eleven ninety nine and thirty two j dc thirty-seven as they kinda hit the streets and and spread his name To their to their members and also just More broadly especially if they start spending Independent expenditure Money you know. Putting with which is just i mean you can really spend millions There when you're of spending outside the campaign and i think johnson might be might be the recipients of of some of that And then as we mentioned look david. Weapon is running definitely more Politically conservative campaign. It is funny talking about this because unclear. Exactly how the politics manifest in the controller's office breath as we mentioned more about you know opposition to the mayor that sort of thing but Yeah as it is a political role You know these. These positions are are important and most of that in terms of type pushing divestment of of public pension funds. Obviously you know as nicole mentioned. This is not where you have state controller who has a lot more say there are the pension boards at play. There's a lot you know lot that has to happen. Before a city controller can kinda push push an agenda But we've seen a little bit of a push to divest some of the pension fund investments from fossil fuel companies. There's been some of that talk with private prisons. And i suppose it does also come back. To which agencies are you really trying to focus on for you know you're more aggressive audits or you're more consistent audits like i said. Scott stringer really Had a focus on nitra. It seemed brian. Benjamin is coley pledging to really look more closely at the nypd nicole. Are there other ways that you think about. Sort of how perspective matters in terms of of ide- ideology when someone is elected to this role. Jim warrant warnings for voters about anybody who could really mess things up coming into being controller with the wrong sort of set of ideas. Yeah i mean certainly. You're right that you can. You can get a spotlight on the things that you choose to study. So the controller has a high level Role there and saying. I want to look into something that nobody's looked at before. I mean he's doing that was with his airbnb study. I mean he. He actually changed the debate over airbnb in documenting that yes indeed was taking tens of thousands of of units off the housing market and it was enough to move the rental prices in in certain neighborhood. So that's really meaningful of A creative approach to auditing that you could certainly do in in other fields as well. I mean i think one of the One of the biggest issues is contracting contract. Part of the budget is one of the most opaque parts of the budget when it comes to How many people work for contractors. What are they supposed to be doing versus what they're actually doing. Watch their performance. What are they paid compared to either public sector workers or other people in the private sector That and of course the controller also sets the prevailing wages for contractors when contracts With the city So you know. I think that's the place where controller could make a real difference in delving much more deeply into the contracts that been next mayor signs whether it's for homeless services In terms of not just you know it of course fraud and abuse or very important says as a controller and as a as various media have documented in in in homeless services. But what is the outcome that we're trying to achieve if we have a homeless shelter for example but There there is lots of negative behaviors outside at the homeless shelter in terms of drug abuse and qualities. Lifeless fences is that shortfall of the provider in failing to supervise the residents. I mean there's a lot that can be done here. This strays contractor illegality. But how were they performing relative to. What is the city school Jeff politically speaking Cory johnson comes in with a lot of money. A lot of name recognition. You know he was obviously sort of plotting a run for mayor for a while before he. He had some mental health struggles that he was very open about and decided not to pursue that route then declared for controller. He's clearly the front runner. Every every of the limited polling we've seen as him well ahead He's got all that money. He's got all the union support. You mentioned. But there's a lot of voters undecided in any of these polls. We've seen this racist obviously lacking for attention. What's is gonna come down to. What shoes are gonna drop here in the final weeks. What are you watching for right in. The undecided is a good point. All the fan have something. Like fifty percent of voters undecided. So you know very much could change. I think the the racist is up in the air in many ways Look i've been watching some tv lately with the nba. And it's mostly mayoral candidates that are on air and you know Outside packs that are supporting oral candidates. You've kind of got to work hard if you want to find out about the cold races so i think largely what this is gonna come down to is spending in in the final few weeks you know who can get their name out there. Who can who can have a closing message to Convince Voters that that. They're the the right choice It is possible that there could always be an october surprise. They'll say you know a story in the last couple of weeks. I know that Speaking as a journalist you know the knives are out among the candidates. They're trying to spread information about their opponents Brab lander has been doing so very openly about cory johnson really attacking 'em for not moving the bills. He wants in the city council. So i i think it's gonna be fascinating erased to watch and the next. I mean look Early voting starts on june eleven and some absentee voters have already mailed in their ballots. So we really are already well in the midst of it we were talking about how Not too long from when we're talking right now. There will be the second televised democratic mayoral primary debate. There's going to be a couple televised controller. Primary debate so folks will hopefully tune in for those not counting on super high viewership there but hopefully those debates will at least help clarify things for some viewers. And i suppose you're waiting for potentially you know some more endorsements in the race including from Perhaps the new york times editorial board and the other papers could be interesting and And hopefully a conversations like this and and others are pushing people to pay attention to is very important primary because When we do the mayoral race again in for eight years Whoever wins this controller rates will probably be part of that so it's important to to promote someone who who will then be in the mix Even more thank you both for joining me. Nicole jelena's a senior fellow at the manhattan institute. Jeff colton political reporter at city and state new york. Thank you my pleasure. Alright thank you for listening. This is ben. max from gotham gazette. I will talk to you next week format.

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"Uh-huh. Difficu- this is democracy. Now when I was confronted with the images yesterday. I was appalled that they appeared on my page. But I believe then. And now that I am not either of the people in that photo calls are mounting for democratic Virginia. Governor Ralph Northam to resign after a photo surfaced from his medical school yearbook page featuring a man wearing black face posing next to a man, wearing a Ku Klux Klan outfit. We'll speak with Lamont bag be Virginia state delegate chair of the junior legislative black caucus and Reverend Kevin Chandler Virginia. State conference president of the end AA C P, then to Princeton, professor railing Barnes about the troubling history behind Ralf north black face clan photo. She's the author of the forthcoming book, Dr college when the americ-. Dream war. Black face a lot of Americans, especially white Americans feel that black faces and knock you ass- not harmful. But African Americans. This is a really important issue and protests erupt after more than sixteen hundred prisoners have Brooklyn New York federal detention center were forced to endure. Freezing temperatures during last week's polar vortex with no heat. No light. No hot water for showers and no hot meals being in the dark when the weather is plummeting. And they were saying the inside it's according to accounts from people that were inside that it was like thirty degrees indoors. It was great Chuck Schumer, Kristen Jubran would've showed up or even has some kind of a presence here. But that's not the case. So. You know, things like this will continue to go on it. So people speak up about days of protests officials say electric is your stored, but many cells still lacked Keat, we'll speak with Brad. Lander city council member who went inside to speak with the fficials and prisoners all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org. The Warren peace report, I made me Goodman calls are mounting for democratic Virginia. Governor route north to resign after a photo surfaced from his medical school book medical school yearbook page showing a man wearing black face posing next to a man in a Ku Klux Klan outfit on Friday. North apologize for the photo in his nineteen Eighty-four eastern Virginia medical school yearbook but walked back his statements the following day in a news conference claiming neither of the men in the photo were him. Although he did admit to using black face to portray Michael Jackson at a dance. Contest on Saturday. Protesters gathered near the Virginia governor's mansion calling for north resignation. Space codified, the love debt created slavery. Put us in a brutal system that we're still struggling to get out from under today, we're here because history of Jim crow is obviously still alive and up into governor. North met with senior staff Sunday night to discuss possible next steps including resignation if the governor steps down Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax would fill the seat and become the only current African American governor in the United States will have more on the story after headlines. President Trump said Sunday sending you as -sition leader one Guido calling him a young and energetic, gentlemen and said the events unfolding in Venezuela. Our democracy in action the US said Saturday at sending humanitarian aid to Venezuela in response to a request from Guadagno who's proclaimed himself. President the arrival of USA will likely set up a test for the Venezuelan military, which will have to decide whether to allow supplies to enter Venezuela. The military's continued to support President Nicolas Maduro, however on Saturday air force general Francisco Janas as defected and pledged loyalty to Widodo meanwhile in. Ultimatum issued by Britain, France, Germany and Spain from Madurai toe to call new presidential elections expired Sunday in the capital dacas thousands participated in competing protests at a pro Madore protests. The president called on Melissa members to join the Venezuelan army on Saturday Madonna called for early elections in the national assembly once again warned against foreign military intervention. Step forward, abandoned, interventionism Yankee imperialism stop calling for war. Stop calling for Yankee military intervention of the country. Stop supporting coup that has already failed Canada is hosting a meeting of the Lima group today, Canada and the Lima group minus Mexico say they recognize opposition later one Guido as president during his CBS interviews Sunday. President Trump confirmed his plans to withdraw US troops from Syria after Senate Republicans last week rebuked move saying the Slavic state is still a threat in the region. Trump also said he wants to maintain a US military presence in Iraq to monitor Iran. I want to do is be able to watch. We have an unbelievable and expensive military base spilt in Iraq. It's perfectly situated for looking at all over different parts of the troubled Middle East when asked about the government funding Bill currently being negotiated before. February fifteenth headline Trump did not rule out shutting down the government. Again. If no satisfactory deal is made on Friday, Trump told reporters a good chance. He would call a national emergency to get around congress. Despite reports that Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell warned Trump, the move with split the Republican party and prompt resolution disapproving the emergency declaration. Meanwhile, the Pentagon confirmed Sunday at sending three thousand seven hundred fifty more troops to the US Mexico border for a period of ninety days and move announced by acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan last week in El Salvador Naib Kelly was elected president Sunday handily. Defeating his opponents from the two main parties that have dominated El Salvador's political scene for over a quarter a century Kelly who has been dubbed a social media stars of Palestinian heritage thirty seven year old former mayor of sunset door beat out candidates from the white ring nationals publican alliance and the left is far into Martine front for national liberation or FMLN Kelly joined the conservative grand alliance for national unity or Ghana after being expelled from the Fhimah Lennon two thousand seventeen ran on an anti corruption platform to US attorneys and two journalists who have been working with members of the Central American caravan in Mexico have been removed from Mexico after their passports were flagged, it's unknown where the orders to restrict their travel came from Norah Phillips and Erica Pineyro our attorneys with a low Tra LA though and migrant rights group that in two thousand seventeen lawsuit accusing customs and border protection of depriving asylum seekers access to the asylum. In a tweet. The American immigration lawyers association said it's urging congress to conduct a thorough and immediate investigation into their removal 's in Iraq, and or motorcyclist shocked at rocky novelist, Allah Massu in the city of Karbala on Saturday, the fifty year old author and poet was heading home when the shooting happened. According to police mushoo was an outspoken critic of foreign intervention in Iraq, radicalism and corruption Iraq's writers union blame the Iraqi government for failing to protect public intellectuals. No group has claimed responsibility for the murder. Amnesty International said on Friday. The group Boko haram killed at least sixty people last week in attack on the northeastern border town of ran in Nigeria. Witnesses told I'm gonna stay Nigerian military left the area the day before the attack leading to an exodus of residents who feared attacks by Boko haram. The UN says tens of thousands of Nigerians fled to neighboring Cameroon in January Boca. Haram attacked ran earlier in January killing fourteen people Russian president flooding. Putin responded to the US withdraw from the nineteen eighty-seven intermediate range nuclear forces treaty by saying Russia to is suspending its commitment to the landmark agreement. We will provide a mirror like response. The American partners have declared that they suspend the participation in the deal. We are suspending it as well. They have announced that they will engage in research and development programs. We will do the same peace prize recipient international campaign to abolish nuclear weapons tweeted Friday by pulling out of the f the US waves. The start flag for a new nuclear arms race in proves. There's no such thing as a responsible nuclear armed state. This is why we need to end all nuclear weapon states must join the nuclear van treaty. They tweeted at least sixty at least twenty nine children and babies have died on the way to a camp for displaced people in northeastern Syria since early December, according to the United Nations, the primary causes of the deaths are nourishment and hypothermia the UN said Friday at asked the US back Syrian democratic forces to provide a safe transit site for civilians fleeing violence. In the area. They said over twenty three thousand people of fled to the camp in the past two months. Vice media announced Friday, it's laying off ten percent of its staff or two hundred fifty employees and latest cut to newsrooms around the country, which is affected at least two thousand people since the start of the year. Also Friday reports emerged of cuts at McClatchy with the company reportedly offering buyouts to ten percent of its workers in late January BuzzFeed Heff, posting Gannett which owns over one thousand publications across the country. Also announced layoffs with around fourteen hundred people losing their jobs on Friday, Taiwanese electrics, manufacturer Foxconn, walk back reports it's recognizing a plan to build flat screen, TV panels at Wisconsin plant Terry that chairman of Foxconn said he spoke to President Trump and confirmed plans to go ahead with the construction the factory the comments contradicted, Thursdays report that said the facility will focus on research and development rather than manufacturing in two thousand seventeen Wisconsin governor. Scott Walker who was defeated in the midterm elections offered Foxconn three billion dollars in state and local tax credits, which has since balloon to four billion dollars while the tech giant promised to create thirteen thousand jobs twenty twenty democratic presidential hopeful Senator Elizabeth Warren apologized to the Cherokee nation for taking DNA tests to demonstrate her native American ancestry, a spokesperson for the Cherokee nation told the intercept Warren privately apologized to the nation last week Warren came under fire for the widely publicized release of the DNA test in October, which was accompanied by video claiming strong evidence of partial native American lineage and her family tree in response. Chuck Hoskin junior of the Cherokee nation said using DNA tests to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee nation or any travel nation, even vaguely an appropriate and wrong, unquote. Senator Warren who announced a New Year's Eve, she is setting up a presidential exploratory committee as expected to formally announce her run later this week. Hawaii Democratic Congress member Tulsi Gabbard officially launched her twenty twenty presidential run Saturday. I will bring this soul soldiers principles to the White House, restoring the values of dignity, honor and respect to the presidency and above all else. Love for our people and love for our country. Congressman Gabbard has supported progressive legislation including backing Medicare for all in a green new deal in two thousand sixteen. The Iraq war veteran quit as Democratic National Committee vice chair and threw her support behind Senator Bernie Sanders run for president. She says her candidacy will center on Warren peace, and we'll focus on the US's foreign wars, though, some on the left of criticized some of her foreign policy views, including her relationship with India's ruling far-right BJP party and prime minister Narendra Modi last month. Gabbard apologize for past derogatory statements about the OJ BT Q community and in New York. Protesters rallied throughout the weekend at the metropolitan. Tension center in Brooklyn. We're more than sixteen hundred prisoners were forced to endure freezing temperatures during last week's polar vortex with no heat, no light. And no hot water about six thirty pm. Sunday officials said electricity was stored, but many cells still lack heat will have more on this story later in the broadcast, and those are some of the headlines, this is democracy. Now democracy now dot or the Warren peach report, I'm Amy Goodman calls or mounting for democratic Virginia. Governor Ralph north to resign after a photo surface from his medical school yearbook page showing a man wearing black face posing next to a man wearing a Ku Klux Klan outfit on Friday, north apologized for the photo in his nineteen Eighty-four eastern Virginia medical school yearbook page. That photo and the racist and offensive attitude represents does not reflect that person. I am today or the way that I have conducted myself as soldier a doctor and a public servant. I'm deeply sorry. I cannot change the decision. I made nor can I undo the harm my behavior calls then and today, but I set responsibility for my past actions. And I'm ready to do the hard work of regaining your trust. However on Saturday governor north them, reverse course, enduring news conference claimed neither of the men in the race. This year book photo were him and initially thought north them also resisted growing calls for his resignation. This is them speaking at the news conference Saturday. It was offensive racist. And the spectacle. When my staff showed me the photo in question yesterday. I was seeing it for the first time I did not purchase the EVS yearbook. And I was unaware of what was all my page when I was confronted with the images yesterday. I was appalled that they appeared on my page. But I believe then. And now that I am not either of the people in that photo during that same news conference governor north and admitted to a separate instance of wearing black face. He admitted he darkened his face to imitate. Michael Jackson in nineteen Eighty-four dance. Contest. Meanwhile, a separate nineteen Eighty-one yearbook. From the Virginia Military institute has surfaced revealing north which known by the racist nickname Koon man as an undergraduate student there north has denied widespread use of the nickname, climbing tooled or boys cold in the name for reasons. He didn't understand the controversy is sparked public outrage in Kohl's across the aisle for north immediate resignation on Saturday democratic house speaker. Nancy Pelosi said north should step down. So for Jinya could heal and move forward. Nearly every declared democratic presidential contender in the twenty twenty race has also called for north to resign. As has the end AA CPI and the Virginia legislative black caucus on Sunday evening, north in reportedly convened, an impromptu senior staff meeting head of the Super Bowl to gauge support from staffers continued leadership Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax was reportedly not in attendance. Fairfax is next in line to become governor of of Virginia. If north them resigns when sworn into office last year. Fairfax reportedly had in his pocket, the document that emancipated his great great, great grandfather from slavery. If their facts were to become governor. He would be the only African American governor in the country for more. We're joined in Richmond Virginia. By Lamont bag chair of the Virginia legislative black caucus. We welcome you to democracy now. Thanks so much for joining us. Governor north them cold you on Friday is that right to have a meeting to decide what to do before. He changed his story on Saturday. Tell us what who he met with in that meeting and what he told you. Was a meeting that we both decided we needed to have in that meeting took tin ten of Virginia legislative black caucus colleagues. And we talked to the governor directly. It was it was a bit of an emotional conversation. We got a little bit more insight everything that the public in Virginia have heard the far he laid out on the table. We have returned to the capital and caucus Blackhawks in came to the conclusion that governor north connect continue as the top elected official income with gene, we return to the to the governor, and expressed that we thought it was in the best interest of the comma will. And I thought he agreed that it was in the best interest of the Commonwealth. And for an order fuss. Start the healing process. The he step aside and allow us to turn a corner. Can you describe your response to what happened on Saturday by then the Virginia legislative black caucus, which you lead? Had said he should resign. But then he holds this news conference. Yes. And we were beginning to hear the rumors about him net resenting, and I was attributing that to him getting his ducks in order preparing for his his transition. But then once we saw the press conference, I think all of us were disappointed in that price conference in the communications that came out from that press conference. I think the governor missed the Mark on that one. One of the few people who had come out kind of in support for north is former Virginia Democratic Congress member, Jim Moran. Speaking on ABC's this week. Miranda fended north record and said he should be given a chance to redeem himself has expanded Medicaid to hundreds of thousands of uninsured Virginians. A disproportionate number of whom are African Americans. He has promoted the career of his very talented, Lieutenant governor and every possible way he's invested in better pre-schools, and and public schools, and minority neighborhoods. So we know what he has done as governor. But even if the worst case scenario is true, George, I think there is an issue of redemption. Retention is a very powerful factor in what people are able to accomplish. Ralph understands the endemic racism that has. Has been part of Jinya society for so long. It was four hundred years ago to this year when the first African Americans were brought his slaves to point comfort that now if what Monroe and he understands that legacy better than many people are able to I think we ought to give him an opportunity. So that's congressman Jim Moran. Your response you to delegate Lamont bagging. You have been a longtime supporter of north them. While he's been governor. So as I did yesterday, right after Jim Moran may statement statements. I wanna make it very clear that Justin. Fairfax was promoted by Ralph Northam, Justin. Fairfax not Lieutenant governor because Ralph Novum selected him love Ralph. But just in. Fairfax is Lieutenant governor and has been successful Lieutenant governor because of Justin Fairfax, and can you tell us a little doubt who Justin Fairfax is remarkable moment when a sworn in as Lieutenant governor, and he's a has in his pocket. The emancipation papers of his great great. Great grandfather. Justify is prepared to leave. He's not perfect. He's a Duke blue devils fan, but just in Fairfax is prepared to lead. And I don't want to say that we're gonna throw Ralph out. Ralph Northam has an opportunity to still contribute to the Commonwealth of genius in some of the factors that he's already done. So he can he will. I would imagine go back to seeing patients he will have a voice in the comma, well particular as relates to reconciliation, redemption. And in race relations think he has he will have an opportunity to have allowed was I just don't believe he has opportunity to continue as. The highest ranking elected official in Commonwealth with all the history and the revelations. From friday. Last month for the second year in a row, Ken, Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax, sow doubt sat out a session of the Virginia Senate over which he presides as the body as the body honored confederate general Robert Lee, Fairfax tweeted history repeats itself, I will be stepping off the day today in protest of the Virginia. Senate honoring Robert Lee, I'll be thinking of this June fifth seventeen ninety eight menu mission document that freed my great great. Great grandfather, Simon Fairfax from slavery in Virginia hashtag we rise together. Fairfax had those emancipation papers in his pocket when he was sworn in talk about that scene. And what that was all about. Well, it Australia who the main just axes also wanna make sure that we make very clear Ralph north them just in Fairfax, the black caucus the house caucus, both as the Al have worked together to make to make sure that the most vulnerable of our citizens received the services and equity and adjusted that they deserve just for. At around one o'clock, I gave a floor speech that shared that the Virginia legislative black caucus as no permanent friends, no permanent enemies, only permanent interest. And over the time. We have worked with Ralph north the main just in Fairfax in inches of those most vulnerable individuals in every corner of the Commonwealth. And so we don't want to discount the work that either them have done, but just as as we say, no, permanent enemies, no permanent Frayn's only permanent inches that was challenged on Friday when we had these revelations, and we had to go to Adia frame, the governor of the Commonwealth graph north and actually him to step aside, the work. What is your understanding of the meeting last night, the emergency meeting that governor northbound call his staff? I'm going to be Frank with you. I decided I was going to take a break pair for your show your show and watch Super Bowl. And so after that I went to bed, and we prepared the caucus just after I come off with you, medifast my Jane legislative black caucus members are waiting for me. And then we will go into the democratic caucus house caucus meeting, and then we will go onto the floor. And this is the day before crossover for those individuals that are familiar with crossover in the state of Virginia with Virginia. This is a day where house bills go to the Senate and Senate bills go into the house one of the business days of ashen. And so we have to be mindful that we were sent here to do the work and then southwest to be recommitted to doing the work. Well, the not being thank you so much for being with us chair of the Virginia legislative black caucus. When we come back. We go. Durham North Carolina where we joined by Reverend Kevin Chandler, president of the Virginia state conference of the N W C P stay with us. To give you the. Sleet. Women. Never go back by birds of Chicago. This is democracy now democracy now or the Warren peach report, I mean, he could minutes we continue to look at calls for democratic Virginia. Governor north to resign after a photo surfaced on his nineteen Eighty-four eastern Virginia medical school yearbook page showing a man wearing black face posing next to a man wearing Ku Klux Klan outfit, north apologize for the photo Friday. But then walked back statement Saturday during a news conference claiming neither of the men in the photo were him though. He did admit to using black face to portray Michael Jackson at a dance contest in Durham, North Carolina. We're joined by Reverend Kevin Chandler, president of the Virginia state conference of the end up Lacey. Pe- the end early on came out for the resignation of governor of governor north on Friday. I of African American history month when the picture first emerged and when at the time. Reverend Chandler governor north them admitted the picture said this was a picture of him not clear which one it was the KKK guy or the guy in black face. But then the next day held a news conference where he said it wasn't him. Although he had a Warren black face before impersonating. Michael Jackson in dance. Contest Reverend Chandler. What are you calling for now? Virginia state conference in a CPI is calling in demanding for route north to step down as the governor Virginia. Talk about why want this to happen? Now in what you understand the governor will do he did hold a meeting last night with his staff weighing. Weighing? That he would step down as governor. Although he said the day before he wouldn't. Yes. So on Friday evening prior to the governor going on a national television to apologize. He gave me a call just as he's done before. And the governor was very apologetic. And what it taken place? He stated that that that day was the worst day of his career in office. And he wanted to reach out to me prior to him going on live television. And what did he say you, and what did you say to him? I told him I could understand where he felt that. This was the worst day, and I heard him, and I felt his apology was sincere genuine and so on Saturday morning when I heard of the press conference. Virginia state conference CPA executive committee was actually in session. We were having a quarterly meeting and we were expecting. The governor to resign at that time and later on finding out that that was not the case. And now he was denying that it was him. And so his his apology. In some ways was invalid when he called me on on Friday because his apology once again, as I said, it was once before I received a call from the governor any apologized of him just recently in Halloween, some three months ago dressing up as a former governor and slave owner. And so in him apologizing for that. And hearing him say that that he is a better man than back in nineteen eighty four. When the pictures were bear in his yearbook. I can't see where it is that he is changed. If he doesn't really have a connection with the hurt that all of the racism and someone dressing in black face is not accepted at anytime. And at twenty five years old, I'm sure that he should have known better even with a picture being beside someone in klu Klux Klan vere. Uniform is just unacceptable. I'd like to go back to north news conference on Saturday when he was asked about his high school nickname, quote, Kuna, man, my main nickname in high school, and in college was goods because when my voice was changed, and I would change an octave. There were two individuals as best I can relax at via. My they were a year ahead of me that called me Coon, man, I don't know their motives are intent I know who they are. But that was the extent of that. And it ended up in the yearbook, and I regret that Reverend Kevin Chandler your response. I understand him being regretful of that. But in saying that he doesn't know why they call them that also the have that being printed in material under his his picture. You know, I don't think I would have anything such as that. If I did not understand what it meant. So he doesn't know why he was called that he doesn't remember to the best of his ability the photograph, which is why he said if you could explain on Friday, he thought the photograph was of him not clear if the men in black face or the Ku Klux Klan regalia and the next day said, no, he's pretty sure it's not him though. He does remember this time of dancing is Michael Jackson, amazingly when someone asked him to do the moonwalk he looked like he was finding some space for it until his wife behind him said that's inappropriate. Yes. And I was so glad that he did not do that. Because again, he in some way does not connect with the hurt and the racism and how it affects citizens of Virginia. And so in him saying he does not see how this is a -fensive even in dressing up Michael Jackson and putting on a little bit of shoe polish. In black face black faces black face, and again, it should not be accepted condone at anytime. Finally, this is the four hundred anniversary Reverend Kevin Chandler of inflamed. Africans being I brought to Jamestown. Can you talk about the significance of this for Virginia? And what it would mean if the Lieutenant governor Justin Fairfax becomes governor? The only black governor in the country. It is a time of Virginia getting past the hurtful history in which it it has. And when we via with this racism, whether it be Charlottesville, whether it be photos in the yearbook, whether it be. EMT worker in Patrick county. Ten not happen. And we as citizens in two thousand nineteen should be beyond this. This thing of racism, although Virginia has a history we cannot deny that history. But we don't need to continue to relive that. And so. Lieutenant governor just in Fairfax spoke volumes in where it was. He sat out he was there by himself and just seeing that picture of him sitting there by himself, the Virginia say conference as he becomes the governor. We can we will stand beside him in the efforts of moving Virginia forward and healing. And so the main focus should be healing. I think that Ralph north should also consider Virginians and step down step aside. And in the Lao Virginia to move forward and heal and as I heard delegate bag say there's a lot of work that has to be done. And with this hanging over Virginia. I think that it's continuing to hinder the process of the great work that needs to be refuses to step down, which she might by the time. Some people watch this broadcast or listen to it or read it, do you think the low Virginia legislature should impatient? I think that big if stated that that's the process in what they are planning to do. I do agree with that again because he has betrayed the trust of Virginians is betrayed the trust of so many on his side even the party in again. This is not a party issue. But he has to work with the Democratic Party has to work with the Republican party, and many have stated loudly that he should step aside. And so as a person, I think that he is able to redeem himself, but as the governor, I don't forsee him being able to the business of the leadership of Regina. We're having Kevin Chandler. Thanks so much for joining us from Durham, North Carolina. President of the Virginia state conference of the end of Lacey pe-, this is democracy. Now. I'm Amy Goodman is we turn. To discuss the history behind calls for democratic Virginia. Governor Ralph Northam to resign after the photo surfaced in nineteen Eighty-four eastern Virginia medical school yearbook page showing man wearing black face next to a man in Ku Klux Klan regalia north apologized for the photo Friday, then the next day at a news conference. He walked back. His statements and said neither of the men in the photo were him. The photo north is facing backlash for is not the only racist image in the yearbook the annual yearbook. Also features an image of white men in a wig dress and black face the photos, caption reads, baby love, whoever thought Diana Ross would make it to medical school on quote another photo in the medical school yearbook shows three men in black face. Well for more. We're joined in our New York studio by railing Barnes assistant, professor of American cultural history. Princeton University author of the forthcoming book, Dr college when the American dream were black face. She's just written a. Piece for the Washington Post headline that troubling history behind Ralf northbound's black face clan photo. Welcome to democracy now. Professor Barnes, describe your reaction. First day of black history month was Friday. That's the day. The photo appears. Talk about put that photo your sponsor governor north them whether he should resign. And then the history of the use of black face. Thank you for having me here this morning, aiming because I think it's really important that we talk about this longer history. Most Americans feel very uncomfortable when they see these photographs, but the aren't really able to articulate why they know that this is wrong somehow, but they don't understand the longer history. And ironically, this is a blowback from civil rights victory. What I mean by that is immature black face minstrel. See was the number one entertainment form throughout the nineteenth century and the twentieth century. Black face was used in schools. It was federalized by the US government. The works progress administration during the great depression during World War Two every American soldier was given a handbook about how to perform Stephen foster music, and it was really seen as a celebrate Ori forum to understand American culture. It was a way to articulate patriotism, but also obviously performed very grotesque representations of African Americans. So when I saw the photograph I wasn't initially surprised because millions of Americans were taught for most of the twentieth century that this was a positive thing. However that photograph was in nineteen Eighty-four, which was substantially after the civil rights movement. And one thing that I think it's really important to say during black history month is that we're focusing so much on the governor. But this story part of why it's shocking is because every day black mothers during the civil rights movement in the nineteen fifties. The nineteen sixties fought to shut down black face and said, this is unacceptable. They worked with the end of the Lacey pe- and said, we need to outlaw this that it's no longer in our schools, it's no longer in government spaces. And there was a lot of pushback to these black mothers, especially from the men in the civil rights movement. Who said we need to focus on voting rights. We need to focus on anti lynching, and these black mothers said, no, my son was lynched because of these stereotypes because of these grotesque representations that objectify African Americans. This is the thing. The thing the seat of the seed that allows racism to to thrive in America, and it needs to be stopped and they were successful. And so because of that success black bass has become so taboo that most Americans don't know the through line of how and why these stereotypes were transmitted to us. But we all know the song extol Susanna, and we know the joke. Why did the chicken cross the road and those are central to the history of black fakes fine. So Stephen foster was the number one. Composer really of the nineteenth century, and he wrote for the Virginia minstrels and a lot of the classic American songs that are in public domain cap town races. Oh suzanna. These songs are songs that we sing in pre-schools the background to a lot of cartoons Warner Brothers. But they're hyper violent if you look at the lyric. So Susannah is actually song about an African American slave who is separated from his family forcibly in the internal slave market desperately trying to get back to his family, and we think of it as this western song or a piece of classic Americana that every American should know, and that's really coming out of this idea in the mid twentieth century that black face was sort of the Pitney of American culture that every American to know, which is why people of a certain generation are quite confused by the backlash now by younger generations and also people who were racially conscious since the sixties after the civil rights movement because they were really taught to believe that. This was an accurate representation of African American life. When it's actually the opposite. Professor Barnes talk about the difference in reaction to black face of African Americans for many white Americans. Sure. So we've seen even recently. The Megan Kelly issue where she sort of said, I grew up with this, and it was positive, and I don't understand the issue and a lot of white Americans feel that way who came of age in a moment where this was seen as completely acceptable. What I mean by that for let me let me stop you for second because I have this clip and Tober former Fox News and NBC journalists Megan Kelly, sparking outrage when she defended white people using black faces part of Halloween, costumes. This is Meghan Kelly questioning why black faces considered racist during a discussion with an all white panel on her morning show. Megan Kelly today was racist. Because you do get in trouble. If you are a white person who puts on the or. Black person who puts on Whiteface Halloween. Like, I was a kid. That was okay. As long as you addressing character. There was a controversy on the real housewives of New York with Luan and she dresses, Diana Ross, and she made her skin look darker than it really is. And people said that that was racist. And I don't know I felt like kudos love Diana Ross. She wants to look Diana Ross for one day. And I don't know how that got racist on Halloween. Nagin Kelly later apologized for the comments amidst intense backlash included from NBC colleague at Roker, and she eventually which pushed out of NBC but expand on that, professor points. Yeah. So one thing I think it's really important understand is block as has been intimately linked to every major form of American culture. Which is why someone like Megan Kelly thinks that this is a knock you ass-. So for example, the first major film birth of a nation silent film, the first talkie, the jazz singer a black face film. The first cartoon was synchronized sounds deem boat Willie. Mickey Mouse, all of that is happening to Stephen foster songs and. Pretty pretty horrific references to minstrel. And so we see over and over and over again that advancements in American culture, and technology are linked to black face in a way that makes it celebrated and so by the time, you get to someone like Meghan Kelly. You might have somebody who's great grandparents grandparents, and parents were all raised to believe that this is an accurate representation of African American life and that by donating black face, you are appreciating someone she talked about Diana Ross. But what I want to say here is there is a massive difference between watching something and in consuming, it passably and physically painting your face learning how to walk stir typically speaking in dialect and imitating African Americans in a way that is very -fensive. My book titled archaeology is a reference to a common phrase that was used an amateur how to block face guides, which is Dirk is the act of learning. To represent African Americans in a way that is stereotypical comical. And it was always mean it always always meant as a way to demean African Americans. And I think we can't lose that the fact that these were comedy shows. And so these are things that were always intended to make fun of African Americans not honor them. I want to go back to governor rough Martha press conference he said he had a clear memory of not appearing in the yearbook picture and black face because well, he had put on black face on another occasion. When he was dressing. This Michael Jackson did not appear in this photo. I am not surprised, but it's appearance in the VM s yearbook in the place and time where I grew many actions that we rightfully recognize as horn today, we're coming place, my belief that I did not wear that costume or attend that party stems in part from my clear memory of other mistakes. I made in the same period of my life. That same year did participate in dance contest in San Antonio in which I darkened my face as part of a Michael Jackson costume. I look back now and regret that I did not understand the harmful legacy of an action. Like that it is because my memory of that episode is so vivid that I truly did not believe I'm into picture my yearbook. You remember these things head the shoes I had a glove, and I used us a little bit of shoe polish to put under my all, my cheeks, and the reason I used a very little bit is because I don't know if anybody's ever tried that, but you cannot get shoe polish off. But but it was a it was a dance contest. I had always like Michael Jackson. I actually won the contest because I had learned how to do the moon wall. So that's governor north them ever porter. Then asked ten if he could do the moonwalk. Yes. That's right. Appropriate. My wife says inappropriate circumstances. So he looked around to see fear were space for him to do the moonwalk. But then his wife the first lady Virginia suggested he shouldn't Ray Lynn Barnes. Yeah. So obviously, this was pretty disgusting. He clearly has not learned the depth of the racism that he actually is embodying when he does these these forms. But I think it's important to say while this news conference was going on. I had hundreds literally hundreds of Americans who wrote to me on my Email account at Princeton University who are saying I feel so ashamed that I feel so guilty because when I was a child I had to put I had to participate in a block basements ratio when I was in elementary school, or when I was in junior high or my mother did this my grandfather did this, and I found the photos when I was cleaning out my attic, and I've cataloged over ten thousand black face plays that were circulated throughout the twentieth century for everyday Americans. And so I have sort of two messages, the first is to everyday Americans, you can grow, and you can learn from this moment, and if you are required to do these in school sort of just the height of white supremacy. And it shows you how systemic this was, but it's different for the governor. The governor represents the people of Virginia. There are twenty percent. Of the Virginia population who are African American and every American deserves to believe that their leader can look at them and feel their empathy fit empathetic about their life. They want to see themselves in their leaders. You want to believe that if there's a natural disaster or a catastrophe in your impacted that your governor is going to see you as a human being. But because black faces about ridicule and humiliation then to Boise to call it a thing apart it makes African-Americans thing apart from American civilization. And that's really why the governor should resign. And if he doesn't I grew up in the state of California, we had a recall election, the people over Jinya have the power they are the people they should stand up. And if they want him gone, they should work to do that Ryland Barnes wanna thank you for being with us assistant, professor of American cultural history, Princeton University, author of the forthcoming book dark college when the American dream wore black face and. We'll linked to your piece in the Washington Post. The troubling history behind Ralph Northam black face clan photo says democracy now when we come back well for people who experience the polar vortex. You know, how cold it was imagine being imprisoned and the jail, you're in has no electricity or heat well prisoners in Brooklyn, New York didn't have to imagine that they experienced it. Stay with us. Love at the gate Reverend belly in the stop shopping choir. This is democracy now. I'm Amy Goodman. We end today show here in New York. We're more than sixteen hundred prisoners at a Brooklyn federal detention center were forced to endure. Freezing temperatures during last week's polar vortex with no heat. No, light, no water for showers. No hot meals. Demonstrators rallied throughout the weekend to protest the conditions at metropolitan detention center, which is run by the bureau of prisons. He issues at the facility have been ongoing officials said the electricity problem was caused in part by a fire the previous week, and that the jail had switched over to emergency power legal aid society said it wrote to the jail's warden as early as January twenty second to demand be restored before temperatures arrive that were quote dangerous to human life. As the news of the condition. Spread. Crowds of protesters gathered outside the prison known as MDC prisoners communicated with them by banging on the jail windows on Sunday afternoon. Some of the protesters, including family. Members of those incarcerated where pepper sprayed by guards democracy. Now is there and spoke to family members activists including women's March co-chair, Linda Sarsour. That we were here for you. The back of his organizers and family members have actually been out here since yesterday many of us left overnight year on the ground here in front of MDC. We have been figuring out communication system that works really well with the incarcerated brothers that are inside we ask them questions. And they answer by banging on the windows. And it's been in unison literally like, yes. Yes. Everybody's yes. If it's no, no. And the fact that they're not in the same cells to go then can answer questions makes us believe that what they are telling us is to be true. We just watched some incarcerated folks actually recognize their families voices and started talking to us to a different area of here. We have videos of people talking to their moms. I hear you mom. I see you mom. It was really heartbreaking to watch people to talk to their family members were not wearing shirts. And we don't have heat inside one of the mothers went to confirm that that was her son who was talking to her and there without a shirt, she went inside with some folks next thing, you know, the CEO's started beating people up and throw. When people on the floor, pepper, spraying, the mom and all the people the media. They were picked up cameras and then throwing them out. People falling down the stairs. It was really horrible to watch it happen. And all the mom wanted to do is go into confirm if that was her son's speaking to her from this other designated area that we don't even know what this area is. He was climbing up on the the window. It's horrible the ward and has been not responsive yesterday. The mayor's office delivered trucks of blankets for everyone generators, and they lawyers from federal defenders one inside. To see their clients and ask them. Did. You get blankets. Nobleman gets. None of these people have gotten blankets. Yesterday told us that six o'clock is when they got their first meal of the day. They're not getting hot meals. They don't have hot water. I mean, this is inhumane. It's cruel. There are people in there who have asthma who are not able to use realize people who have sleep apnea machines who are not able to have those apnea machines during the night, which means that they are at high risk of stroke. There are people with diabetes at are in their older folks in there people who need medication who have not had any access to medical care. I mean, this is outrageous and the issues the families, you don't even know if you family members allied station here. Was it in New York City councilmember Jimani Williams regard urgency of any? Things happen emergencies happen, but you have a. They had. No. And didn't see the kid. We have what's going? He puffy regulated the war that the contractor and went home. What are you talking about getting another contract and get fixed? Would not see the blankets and the generator. The office of imagine the city was not accepting. No excuse he said we getting maybe we will now because it wasn't emergency. It wasn't emergency on Sunday when it happened. What? What's happening? The microcosm of this country. Man in the why? The people continued to all. Don't even know what it kids separated from the core. Melania too. That's why they lost the majority of people here on Monday. Even the one that the poor communities. So they don't care, but we are we gonna stay. Dissolve. Name's elizabeth. I'm here for my brother Jason who has been here at MDC for the past five years this condition with the heat is not new it happened last year. But fortunately for Jason he has family that sends him money. He can buy what he needs to layer up and have blankets and food and resources, I'm here because one I want my brother to know, I love him too. I do not want this problem to keep going on God forbid, if the temperatures plummet again, really worried about his health we contacted his attorney demanded that he find out what's going on. You know, this has been an ongoing issue that the power went out last year for like three or four days and that the heat went out three or four days last year, you know, so and it's discussing Nydia Velazquez came out. She was saying that they were wet mattresses from leaks in the ceiling and crumbling conditions in ceilings and things like that. It's just it's disgusting. And we can only imagine the vermin and the rodents and everything else, you know. So again, you know. Is discussing. But you know, this has restored my faith and humanity is really made me very proud to be New Yorker, no one wants to see any human being suffer, especially knowing what we know about sentencing extreme sentences, and and mistreatment of people, you know, as some so many people here haven't even really been convicted of anything not that that makes a difference. But they're just waiting because they're poor and they can't afford Bill. So it's unfortunate. But it is what it is. So, thankfully, nobody showed up them voices from the protest outside MDC metro detention center special. Thanks to Tamera Astra do and areo boon for that report around six thirty pm Sunday officials said electricity restored, but many cells still lack heat as protesters gathered outside many lawmakers toward the metropolitan detention center, one of them who is standing next to Johnny Williams. This city councilman who is speaking outside was Brad Lander in New York City council member he's with us. Now, we have very little time has electric been restored. Restored last night at six thirty about one full week still reporting they're freezing it's cold in that facility. It's going to take more changes to make it could there have been no plan with this polar vortex this week with people freezing sign for an emergency provisions when the power went off a week ago last Sunday, they did not act with any urgency that could had an emergency plan. If there been around the clock contractor in their power could have been back on Tuesdays federal prison mayor to Blasio's sent in hundreds of blankets. They didn't distribute them. There was just from the staff from the prison officials from the facilities manager no sense of urgency. No sense that there were human beings in those who had the right to talk to their families who needed light eating in the dark. They're they're they're toilets in their cells. They were in other couldn't shower for forty eight hours. Federal Bureau prisons Federal Bureau prisons now Jerry Nadler's has to dish eight. There was. Cami on Saturday and Sunday. And he says he is going to have hearings. Member Brad Lander. Thanks so much. I make good Goodman. Thanks for joining us.

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Episode 166: A Mass Shooting In Brownsville & The Community Response

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Episode 166: A Mass Shooting In Brownsville & The Community Response

"<music> an event that occurred this weekend was really quite disturbing. which is the shooting at the conclusion of old timers day Brownsville? which is this terrific event ahead a chance to go once several years back kind of as a guest of Brownsville resident? It's is an amazing thing it's a great block party <hes> and Brownsville which is really one of the coolest most interesting and warmest neighborhoods of the city where people literally they come from Texas from all over the country back to the neighborhood they celebrate their friendships their family they talk about what it used to look people bring back pictures of old stores <hes> uh-huh and had these very textured nuance relationship with their their <hes> neighborhood <hes> it's a very popular stopping around for politicians because obviously a lot of people sitting around willing to take take your pamphlets and <hes> so we had this great event unfortunately marred by the shooting last week and then a conversation after that about whether this reflected on some some of the other issues that have come up in recent days around treatment N._y._p._d.. Officers by people with water buckets and whether or not cops are being told standoff smackers Asians by by the Sergeants Union had <hes> so we're going to have on <hes> speaker about that yeah. The city council member representing Brown's fills a leak amperage Samuel. She's joined us before talk about nature nature because she <hes> chairs the City Council's Public Housing Committee <hes> but this time she'll she'll talk with us more about her community. In Brownsville part of the Council Council district. She represents <hes> what happened in this in this tragic of violence that occurred really right towards the end of of the celebration on Saturday night and and then how the community is responding <hes> what she believes that her you know constituents need <hes> from city leadership resources <hes> you know I'll say before <hes> councilmember Samuel joins US actually when she was running for election <hes> the last election cycle actually moderated he primary debate in that's where in New York City especially in most Brooklyn neighborhoods <hes> you know the primary decides the whole thing I mean this was an open council seat and I got a chance to go out and moderate one of the debates I think it was six candidates. <hes> and the League Amber Samuel Wind up winning that primary <hes> by pretty solid margin <hes> but it was very interesting to be in the community there were there were the plate you know was it was small venue for the debate but it was packed and there are people really invested to see who the next council member was going to be here from the different candidates. We you know we really talked about issues particularly important to the to the Brownsville and surrounding communities which relate to access to healthy food poverty <hes>. How government is you know helping constituents constituents who who need help public housing of course which <hes> council member Samuel has worked in and now leads that committee so <hes> you know I got a sense of council member Rampart Samuel Pretty early on in that election cycle <hes> in two thousand seventeen and I was it was very interesting to hear her talk about some of these very issues that we'll talk with her? <hes> about when she joins US six years ago <hes> city and state and city limits teamed up to cover the two thousand thirteen election by focusing on areas of our voters. Here's congregated in staying in those areas the entire campaign. It was like a bar in Staten Island Adelie in the upper west side <hes> Spanish restaurant in the South Bronx and I covered toward the Van Dyke houses in Brownsville and what was interesting being out there and I think we might hear some of this from the council member is that you know because people there are the issues that we talk about on the show and in our other <hes> doings are not theoretical there you know everything from race to poverty affordable housing public housing and Crime and some people had ideas and positions on some of the issues of the day that didn't break neatly across demographic or ideological vehicle lines. You need a neighborhood that has almost exclusively black where many people were not upset about stop and Frisk and we're concerned about being pulled back and some but that was generational on some of it There is a problem but <hes> both at the appropriate response is and before we bring council Marie Samuel on the line momentarily just mentioned that <hes> later on the show will be joined by one of her city council collies Iliescu Council member Brad Lander also Brooklyn. WHO's GonNa talk to us about some different issues. Maybe some similar issues <hes> so stay tuned for that later in the show. We'll talk with Councilmember lander about city planning training school desegregation some of the other things that he's working on but now let's bring on city council member leak angry Samuel. Thanks for joining us here on Maxim Murphy. This is Ben Max from God the museum with Jarrett Murphy of city limit. How're you how are you? Thanks for having me good. Thanks thanks for being on <hes> council member. We were talking a little bit about out old timers day and what it is. I only went to once. I've heard a lot about it. Since of course you are much more familiar with it for listeners who aren't familiar with that event. Talk a little bit about the setting for what occurred over recent days so old timers day is an amazing event. We say it's a family reunion. It's it's an opportunity for families who come back home to Brownsville or if you're still here be able to connect with your neighbors your friends and get a chance to sit and eaten. Chad and enjoy music with people. You haven't seen in a very long time and so <hes> the it's an entire week so we'll have <hes> you know Wednesday. I'd say we had jazz night and then there's Latin night and there's a fashion show on Thursday and on Friday we had how a Hewitt who was the former lead of the Shalimar Lamar Group and <hes> you know we have thousands of people we shutdown Linden Boulevard and <hes>. There's a huge family fish fry where we feed the community community everyone gets to eat for free and <hes> and it's just a really amazing time in experience and on Saturday. It's the end end of old timers leak and this past Saturday we had several <hes> artists aren't be artists from the seventies and we ended by singing the O._J.'s family reunion like the last song that was played on Saturday night was family reunion and we just told everyone the crowd you know hugging. Lieber say I love you. You know Brownsville we appreciate you. We had a successful old timers week you. I see you next year and the music stops got off the stage and just you know hugged each other walk through the crowd and <hes> next to you know we heard gunshots in this was it I it just went from a warm fuzzy beautiful feeling to just <hes> total shock and sadness split-second and so what did this event obviously. There's investigations going on <hes>. There's people <hes> trying trying to recover from wounds <hes> we know at least one person who was killed <hes>. What is this event mean to you say to you you know. What are you thinking a side from the shock of it happening. <hes> what's the what's. The meaning here is just a random <hes> occurrence current that might have been gang related and it's just it doesn't really mean that much or what does it mean <hes> so. I so for the event itself <hes> the shooting that took place at old timers was random. You know we have never had a a mass shooting in the middle of Brownsville. I'm Phil <hes> at any at a family event a community event and so this is random <hes> but at the same time it speaks volumes Williams to the access to illegal guns in New York and just across the country as well as <hes> you know like all of the mental health issues that <hes> so many communities are suffering <hes> from with and so for me. I just see it as a systemic problem of just just too many guns on our street just access to too many guns and we really need to get a handle of it and <hes> <hes> you know we talk a lot. Oh I've heard heard a lot about <hes> gang violence in <hes> you know the gang violence being associated with Brownsville and <hes> when you look at the media just comparing what happened browns with to compare what happened in California. We had a mass shooting and it was you know innocent. People were were shot. and <hes> we have a community that's really suffering traumatize from this random mass shooting when you say i'm i'm sorry i can't remember when you say that we needed to do something about it i think that was your words what should we do that's obviously the kind of fifty million dollar question is it more enforcement stop and frisk was was extensively aimed at getting guns off the street and to some degree it did succeeded that there are other responses to what kind of a mix of policies do you think is appropriate and i say on an i'm talking more when i talk about just like real gun policy and gun laws is it's really looking at it on the federal level right <hes> access to guns and you know we are not manufacturing guns in brownsville right and so we have guns that are coming coming into our communities and so <hes> and that's because there's just an open market you can you can purchase guns you know in other states and be able to get them here so we have to to do more on the federal level as it relates to access to guns now on a local level we need to be able to provide our young people with <hes> an incentive to to do the right thing you know instead of picking up a gun and <hes> i in having by like just negativity in your life provide that young person was something else else <hes> provide them with you know access to <hes> workforce development opportunities provided them with training opportunities on bears so much gosh that's happening we we see new york city being developed but we are not part of that process so you know and i've spoken to the mayor about this when we met on sunday <hes> our young people need to be able to be unprovided with job opportunities employment opportunities throughout the development of the city and and <hes> and we don't see that on a local level and so there are so many things as we've missed out on or been <hes> we've been neglected and not part of the conversation and so that's an opportunity to to really say what the needs are in our community and how do we prevent <hes> like the the gun violence and the gang violence on a local local level both local and federal rights say a little bit more on the local <hes> you know in your mind what does that look like in terms of how the city invest more were in a neighborhood like brownsville the rest of your district <hes> other areas of brooklyn the bronx <hes> other boroughs where <hes> you know oh employment rates are not the same as the city average there's more poverty there's more incidents of violence what is what does that look like what do you say to the mayor when you say a here's what my district here's what the community in brownsville needs and this incident should really be a wakeup call that we're we're not getting it <hes> it's the same thing i've been saying <hes> for quite some time even when we're negotiating the ninety two billion dollar budget that we have in the city we we said to the mayor that we need more <hes> you know signing programs more more funding for after school more funding for s. y. e. p. more funding for like like i said on by vocational programs in our school systems and not just funding for three k. <hes> and <hes> you know i've also said on a consistent basis even when you look at my district alone whenever there's a development r._s._v._p. that goes out for development project even at on nitro property eighty the infield deals you will see the project taking place happening all the buildings going up but everyone that works on the sites are <hes> from outside of our our neighborhood and when we asked that question you know what about employing the people that live in the nitra developments or the people that live in the surrounding community were always told hole that well <hes> they come with their own workforce or we don't have enough <hes> you know slots for everyone to work or the people in your community you are not trained they don't have the social forty thirties and you know and for me i have requested that is mandatory you can't ah just come and say well i have twenty positions for this particular development and i already From Central Brooklyn all the way down ally and if you can't if you cannot feel that you have to provide us with the information that you have done your due diligence you have to come come back to the council. You have to come back to the community and we don't see that happening councilmember. I want to go back to the incident itself and obviously in that moment you're her <hes> worrying about things other than observing the law enforcement response but some have claimed since then that police officers were told to stand off to <hes> maybe delay intervening in a way that might have prevented this violence. That's an accusation that one of the union leaders made I'm not sure how much you able to see or what impressions go after the fact but how do you think about what did you think of the N._y._p._d.. Response to the incident itself and its general policing of Alzheimer's Day Hey and especially this Saturday night event you know so there's been a lot of you know obvious. <hes> hindsight is twenty twenty. You know lessons learned since Saturday nights Sunday Sunday morning <hes> but in that moment I can tell you that I personally police officers you know they were at the stage. They were <hes> between the stage age and the the B. R. C. Building they were along the street and in fact when we ended this aw <hes> family reunion I actually said I want to thank the members of the N._y._p._d.. Who are here? We have our community affairs offices with us and I called out to the crowd. You know where my community affairs offices you. We have a beautiful community police relations when it comes to working together with communities and our N._C._O.'s I said that on the stage and <hes> when I left the stage I walked right over to members of the seventy third precent and spoke to them in this was right in front of the park right in front of the interest where the shots were fired and it was just a matter of seconds from me hugging offices spears and hugging detective <hes> <hes> Marianne that you need a quick turn and the shots of fire police officers were also rightly here and there's nothing more <hes> proactive that you want from <hes> <hes> the police had future events like this not necessarily something as large scale as old timers day week but <hes> you know other community events. Do you feel like <hes> so you know the N._y._p._d.. Has Sort of backed off too much or or is that not the answer for you. I do not believe that there should be more policing in situations like that. I I think that <hes> the police have a role to play in our community and we are really working hard to <hes> to have a balance on what that is and what that looks like and <hes> I've actually funded <hes> the science precent two hundred fifty thousand dollars to build out a community space to <hes> to build that bridge between <hes> the police and the community and <hes> I do not think that we need to have more police officers. I think it's just really a matter of figuring out the logistics mystics around placement and <hes> being able to fund more community based organizations that work on care violence and crisis management for them to be apart of play a more active role and community events because they are the ones that are able to <hes> essentially help to prevent crime when it happens so we need to fund more community based organization well. It's a much more important and complicated issue than the few minutes we've devoted to it will indicate Cape you so we wanted to make sure we talked about it somewhat. Thank you so much council member Alita average Sangma for joining us <hes> for talking about events in Brownsville and we hope to have you on again soon talk about this in more depth. Thank you so much everyone we'll be right back and we're back on Max and Murphy here on W._B._A._i.. Ninety nine point five F._M.. WanNa remind listeners that we are here on the air because of support from people like you. It's time once again to pony up and put your money where your ears are Dr and wear your principles are supporting independent radio shows like this and the many excellent ones that are also on this part of Your F._M.. Dial please call five one six six two zero three six zero

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View from a Military Mind Daily Views for 30 April 2020

View from a Military Mind

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View from a Military Mind Daily Views for 30 April 2020

"Good afternoon it's Thursday thirtieth and here's the stories for today military mind you use opinions without world and national events the Pines of the men and women defending and have defended our two hundred years on built unedited and definitely not exceed. If you're ready let's move out today in our first save top stories for the day. Take a look at resident representative. Just auch independent Michigan seeking -Tarian nod for president. Our second story lead study that looks joins the military and why findings are what many think our third story will be without Miss Terror. Read Sexual Assault with Joe. Five supposedly take a little bit more. Look at that and or store avante. Us intelligence the CCP but the core of the nineteen buyers not manmade genetically modified as well then in our second segment a tale of two idiots mayor. Bill De Blasio and representative Adam Smith the wash and chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. He's saying no more money than military then of course final. We'll have the views from my military mind. Contact rightous at the F. A. M M zero zero at Juno Dot com right after the break. We'll get started whether you arrive by land or water. There's no mistaking the beauty and serenity of Ditto landing located on picturesque Tennessee river at the southern edge of Huntsville Alabama. This MARINA IS NESTLED. In Lush Greenery surrounded by serene mountain foothills bass bream and catfish are plentiful sparkling water for sailboats side-by-side along water recreation. It'll landing place. Host many special events through the year located at two ninety three Ditto landing road. South East can home Alabama. Stop by and see all there is had a landing give brandis quits. Her folks call at five six eight to one zero five. And they'll let you know what's going on in the most beautiful spots in North Alabama. Welcome back we'll go ahead and get into our top stories of the day. I was going to be talking about representative Justin Amash Michigan. He's independent of their and on Wednesday. City seeking libertarian nod for president because millions of Americans do not feel well represented by either major political party amok is trump critic who left the Republican Party coming independent as reported by. Abc News is also. He did that when they were going into the impeachment fiasco in the House Nancy Pelosi and all that and he actually left the Republican Party at that point because he felt he needed be part of the impeachment so he became an independent Within view this looking at getting a libertarian. Not I mean he's set up an exploratory committee and that's all it is at this point. He hasn't actually said he's going to run. But both sides are generally critical of the mosh. And they're skeptical that he'll have a significant impact in any way shape or form in the race. He's nothing more than the easy to get his public dues out there. Both the left and rider. Say He's a he's a nonstarter and he's not GONNA be any effect. He might take a few votes here and there but neither side expects empty. Take even one electoral vote We know how that how that kind of works out. So we'll keep an eye on what happened with the Mosh He's kind of a dark horse candidate in kind of a just fly. So we'll keep an eye out see what comes up with him now at same aspect in his home state Michigan. They're talking about their internal polls are showing the the Democrats that slight advantage to put another Democrat in his seat. Michigan as Iran's it gives us sit up. Somebody's going to have to fill that in so it's kind of a win and lose. We'll see what happens. There on independent seat be filled by Democrat in Michigan. See how that works out. The second story is about study. That has come out About the American military the all volunteer force. And why you know who? And why do people join the military and I went through this study and we know back in the day it was a lot of your poor lower skill. Laura educated people a Lotta time with come into the military for a bigger and bigger better advantage and get better educated and have a good source of pay and skills when it came out and be productive on the outside and as we go through They have found out. It's not so much the case anymore. It's middle class. The broad spectrum across both left and right side of the aisle They're educated at the majority of Martin born because of economic disparity coming in for stability a lot of government out of patriotism. But they're more so coming in for the The benefits they're available to them now. Not a lot of them are staying there or the entire career for twenty year career. Most of them are coming in and getting the skills they need getting college in things like that getting the economic advantage to get him on her feet as young adults and moving on but the study was quite extensive. Been over about three year It they based on several surveys. We're going on Across the board across the United States and You know like I said. They looked at two commonly common conclusions that were drawn by decades vis studies. Prior to this and number one was that Americans from bore socio. Economic backgrounds were more likely pursues military and to the military has low standards. It appealed less skilled and less educated You know they don't deny the the incentives to join military exist But the requirements of the modern capital-intensive information dominant expedition military have increased and the less affluent are less likely to meet those requirements. So you've gotta be educated. You gotTa Finish High School. You gotTa have something going on. Not just dropping out going to the military to make what you didn't do prior said You know some of this possible misconception about four American joint military was basically geographical issue the Defense Department tracks the zip goes a record recruits and many of them come from a more rural areas in the southeast but it doesn't track their incomes or the parents incomes. Sir Wish leased assumption the or the communities the bore the recruits which is a big misconception has been proven of course Weisberg belief among academics The American lawmakers are those fighting. America's wars come mostly from force groups. And it's probably a product trends from the past which we've seen that in the past so From Ninety seven two thousand eight Bureau of Labor Statistics found that services are recruited primarily from the middle class. Ness America's largest socioeconomic demographic May show the recent recruits and have a higher than average socio economic background. They disproportionately come from middle of the family. Income family wealth active skill distributions Both tales this were underrepresented show that higher scores and cognitive skill. Tests increase probability joining the military for Lauren mill lower middle class individuals but decrease enlistment lack of young men and women coming from the right tail income distribution the lower and lower end of it. Meaning more fluent prospects tend to pick your another path so They went through a bunch of feedback. But Pretty Much. It's to get the advantages leg up. Get the move forward Military for usually outside. They went through surveyed. A lot of people studied a lot of things and leave. Servicemember version foremost exemplary patriot and citizen. It'd be found across the political spectrum and also a significant demographic irs Conservative more like respond and join for duty and patriotism all liberal cited economic reasons. The and there was. There was a common belief among those groups met being exemplary. Thank insists so dispel all those rumors. It only the poor and disadvantaged come in not so much and this The survey and the study is available to be read through military times Megan Myers was the author of that and she covered up quite well. Brought that Sir. Etta study out to us all right and one of the big topics going on right now. Moving on to the next is about Miss Terra Reid who was allegedly sexually assaulted by Joe. Biden. I'm back in nineteen ninety-three and the biggest thing to know about this is you know. Gore's former Senate staffer terror read as accused two thousand twenty twenty twenty twenty presidential candidates by of sexual assault on her ninety. Three Biden has denied the allegations the spokesman but he has not personally addressed the allegations Since we came forward with their allegations back in March two more people corroborated details or story and a video of what appears to be her mother discussing her assault in. The nineties has been uncovered Then on Tuesday read demanded that Biden. Release Senate papers pertinent to her time serving as a staffer ninety three which he's yet to do so it's getting really interesting The last I had gotten on this before going on air. There's over five people. Now that have come out to corroborate misread. Story and Biden has yet to address and it's It's really bad. There's there's more coming forward to cooperate. What Ms Rita's Senate Against Biden? Then whatever came out the cooperate the case against Cavenaugh just scattered all And there's more to expected to come out as time goes on The liberals are really confused. They really don't know what they're silent for the most part you're media and everybody is screaming for him to open up and the CF democratic national rational foundation is insisting Biden. Come out say some about this It and even when you get somebody like the Washington Post dropping the hammer on you and says it's time for you. Listen and reply. The free beacon is calling him out. There assembled it's called him out to answer to this. He's been totally silent on. It is because you ignore. It doesn't mean it's GonNa go away so we'll keep following on this and see what misread has more to say. And if Joe Biden ever comes out and says something about it. 'cause you've got you've got a lot coming up here or she got the standard the standard bearer the on the democratic side saying We don't find any allegations but yet there's some people cooperate. As pretty honest people have nothing to gain from it. So we'll see how it goes with that with Mr Biden Misteri. I wish him the best just allegation at this time Getting INTO FORCE TO RING FROM. Us intelligence community they are basically saying Gobert nineteen or is being called. The Chinese Communist Party virus was not made man made or genetically modified. And that's what the intelligence agencies from the United States concluded the opposite director National Intelligence the head of the intelligence community so the community encouraged with a y Sam scientific consensus that the code nineteen hours was not may may nor genetically modified Almost did not say how came to the conclusion and the IC intelligence committee to rigorously examined emergency information until the outbreak began through contact with affected animals Or the result of an accident laboratory so an came out on April thirtieth today We know that originated in channel Azure before spreading around the world infecting millions killing hundreds thousands. So the work mute emerge is near the Wuhan Institute of Technology as I love a laboratory or they're studying in current event Colorado Corona viruses. Get it right Lee from animals to humans. So we'll see what comes out of that we'll track on this will also. It's going to be an interesting outcome as to what's going to happen. The on major publications like Reuters and things like that are now backing this story up and getting statements we still have gained access to the rally lab. What they're hoping they eventually will get proper information from as to what's going on here. I'm not holding my breath on that because we're talking about counters China here but hopefully we will have something come out and we'll see what happens so we'll track on that and those are the top stories we have for today and now get in in the next segment. We'll take a look at Two idiots so just hang with me rent at the break. We'll talk about those details. What do you see parade? You see children with their flags. Families Clapping and laughing. Only what do you see when he walks by you? See his struggle his path his fight. You see him when he walks. He walks alone when he stands. He stands by himself but he stands knowing the force of the VFW. America's largest organization of combat veterans has his back. We are vsw. No one does more all right. Support your veterans and your local vfw as a help veterans and a time of need and even not in the nominee. They're always there for them. The veterans we all heard the twitter heard round the big apple by message to the Jewish community and all communities is. This is simple. The time for warnings has passed. I have instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even those who gather enlargers. This is about stopping this disease. Saving Lives Period Mayor Bill De Blasio at eight thirty five. Pm Eastern time on April Twenty Eighth Twenty Twenty Bill. What were you thinking this twitter posts that he sent out to about the Jewish community as thousands of a funeral of a rabbi had gathered They'll head mashed on. No they weren't social distancing but the blasios out of his way to call out the Jewish community over a million Jews living in New York City. And we're always big supporters of his party and he comes out along with all the other screw ups he's done and calls them out and puts them under the microscope for really no reason. There's other ways he could have gone about doing this. So here we are. This is the tale of two idiots idiot for the day Mayor Bill De Blasio New York City. this man just cannot seem to get his head out of his foot one contact and be a mayor stood of a totalitarian but the headlines are some of them are like New York New York City Mayor Wars Jewish community as thousands at funeral rabbi versus build a blasios slammed for generalizing an in an announcement of zero tolerance of social distancing breaches ultra Orthodox congregation. Sorry for huge crowded at Kyw Am MT FUNERAL. So when they say he he's come under under fire isn't understatement. You know. He's come under fire for warning. All the city's Jews crackdown after a funeral for the rabbi in Williamsburg and it drew thousands of more who didn't observe the social dissing rules Mini accused the democratic mayor. The city worst hit by the pandemic of generalizing against Jewish community. And this is in the light of a lot of anti-semitism that's been happening in New York Within the past year it's been insane type of anti Jewish. Thanks to occurred. You know it. I just it's hard to put in a mindset. What is going on here The the rabbi had died of Cohen Nineteen so this really touched on hearts of the Jewish community there and they wanted to honor him and be at his funeral and NYPD was. There set set out roadblocks cones and stuff the barricades to keep the street closed to traffic. So they knew people were going to be there. They just didn't anticipate that number of people that showed up. Which kind to me. That would over overwhelm any kind of law enforcement entity the trying to maintain control. Johnny Kitchen. Guard You know it happened. We know that the spread of Krona viruses has hint the older Orthodox Jewish communities in New York City especially hard at some those communities. Have resisted social distancing just because of their their religious standings there've been warnings of rising in a cinema may amid the pandemic with some accusing us of being behind the virus or offering from it. So there's a lot of anti-semitism that is increasing within New York City. So when the Blasios puts out something like this and targeting Jewish community is going to be looked at as anti Semitism in a series of tweets. Tuesday evening the Blasi announced a zero tolerance policy wall singling out the entire Jewish communities. The city with most used world is credit courtesy now on his first tweet. That came out around eight nine blasios stated something absolutely unacceptable happened in. Williamsburg tonight a large funeral grid gathering in the middle of this pandemic. When I heard I went there myself and share the crowd was dispersed and when I saw will not be tolerated so long as we are fighting the Koran virus goes on to say that my message to the Jewish community and all communities is this simple time for warnings is past like I said earlier in the in this segment in the goes on later on about eight forty one eight says we have lost so many of these last two months. I understand the instinct together. More but large gatherings will only lead toward this and more families and morning. We will not allow this. I haven't stroked the NYPD to have one standard for this whole city zero tolerance so he pointed out one community dude. And you get your Butt handed to you. The series of post drew fury online from both public and political officials. Both Democrat and Republican both sides of the aisle share And the anti-defamation League does even calling the Daryl's ation outraged just to give you an during the research on this the entities calling out to Bosnia. Nfl Nation League to New York pokes course is manager was Joe Rabinowitz Ben Shapiro. A common yeager New York City Council The Washington examiner American Jewish community World Jewish Congress Senator Ted Cruz New York City Council matter members Stephon Stephan Eleven and Brad Lander New York State Senators Brad Women and Julia Salazar Assembly members Harvey Weinstein are S. Nine and Linda Rosenthal. Now this is just a small number of people that are continually calling him out a about what he did This is all in letter and edge in the news and shows and tweets these people the aside themselves or what this idiot did and when you get somebody like you know the Great Lady and the New York Post calling you out in your own city and and these two publications normally have been pretty lenient on him. Yuga problems and he's had other bad choices like asking other New Yorkers to to snitch on each other and having a a a site to post pictures of what's going on you gotta be kidding me Naming his wife to head a corona virus racial inequity task force A wild bill have not figured out this. The corner virus doesn't look at your race. That look at your age done. Look at your in this ethnicity or immigration status. It just gives you okay. So why are you even doing that? That's ignorant He had eighty basketball hoops removed from Sydney basketball courts in the city while he's running around disregarding social distance regulations and participate in recreational activities with people. Don't do as I do do as I say is what I see ear. This man a strolling through a Brooklyn Park twelve miles away from his home at Gracie Mansion. Which is a park. What the Hell's going on and this was caught on tape by CNN reporter and we all know how CNN goes and they call him out. This is crap that he's given us. This is tough. Loaf is just that is. Bs is bullshit The blasios not offering tough love. He's trying to be the totalitarian and again like I said don't do as I do do as I say it it's again. We see more of the Liberal Progressive Socialist type items type activities coming out with things like this and I just don't think he knows what he's doing they really don't so a lot of people say that you know. The mayor's action came from concern to the health and safety of our community in the entire city. And it wasn't ill antigen but we are concerned or they were share that concern this is coming from the the Orthodox Jewish community. This is their response. You know we share that concern. Health life take freshness to anything else and we follow those rules home but others noted the crowds again earlier due to watch a flower by Navy Blue Angels in the Air Force numbers to honor. Healthcare workers did bother. Find the following districts in rules. Either and he didn't do anything that I really don't know what to say about it. Another Orthodox Jewish Public Affairs Council tweeted. The only biggest. Have a problem with a few hundred Hasidim. Do what thousands of people in the same city of done the same day not social distance so vase. I you've pretty much shot. You're shot yourself in the foot on this one. I don't if the New Yorkers if people from New York continued to keep this idiot in there hope wanted to blame but themselves and is like I say in every one of my podcasts and every one of my show you never one of my appearances. Educate yourself don't be blind when you have a man sitting in the most powerful office in the city of New York doing dumb things like this on a continuous basis is time for him to go and you need educate yourself and make sure you remove that so at a saying now that you know Monday that at least forty miles of streets would close to traffic to give city residents more space to exercise outdoor Trying to show assign is not. It's not far off that. This is all come trying to come to an end. So we'll see how that how that works out for a while. Bill de Blasio. I tell you I wouldn't want anything to do with that. I've visited New York City at it can be beautiful city. Some awesome people. There have some observe some of the best veterans known from New York. They're saying ministration stupid. Anyway we'll get onto the tail of the second idiot just a minute you move with strength and confidence constantly aware of your surroundings. You know you're prepared to handle anything that comes your way you have the training and the discipline think street you practice the art and you train in the sport. You are part of Combat Base Mississippi under the detailed technical mentoring of Eric spillman first degree black belt and professor Chris Hyder Blackville. You can master the art of Brazilian Jujitsu and become strong competent person. You want to be located thirty three forty one highway forty nine south and Florence Mississippi Eric continues and hone your Skills Art Brazilian Jujitsu Erica. Call at six zero one. Three one six three nine eight seven and find your path to strengthen competence think streep practice art trained for Combat Base Mississippi. All right we'll get into the number two idiot in our tale of two idiots This was reverted represented Adam Smith D Washington. He's a chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. Now this is a man that has a lot of control over the purse strings of Dod Department invest and all of our military. And when I mean a lot of control e can make or break our duty budget now in a conference call with reporters yesterday Representative Adam Smith said that he does not favor increasing the Pentagon's budget as part of the government's response to the crow virus pandemic went on to say that. I'm not saying that I'm not convinced that there are places within the Bronco Defense Department. Obligations for more money needs to be spent. What I'm saying is I have yet to be convinced that money cannot be found within the areas of dod were less money is now being spent. Okay speaking on the call sponsored by George Washington University's Defense Ryder Smith art to the economic slowdown. Means the Pentagon we'll be spending appropriate bonds as fast and therefore there will be pots of money that could be reprogrammed for the code nineteen priorities. He went on to say that. I don't think we should a stimulus package but money in for the ODI at this point in terms of the basic seven hundred and forty billion dollar budget. Fuel costs are coming down. Dramatically production hits. I don't see a need right now with all these that we face in this country to spend more money on basic beauty to go buy more planes or ships votes anything like that. Oh I don't from my poor basic knowledge. That's what there's four. I think already spending that money on those items Smith has been a consistent opponent of President Trump's efforts to construct more berries along the southern border Nevertheless nevertheless points the report funds within the Pentagon budget as an example of how existing appropriations can be moved. Meet New Broward. He's a he says that There are plenty of places within the Pentagon technically particularly in light of the slowdown in the light. Of the fact that there's going to be a record amount unexecuted money within dod because of how everything has slowed down. We'll take some some of that anex executed money and use it. They four okay. He suggested the first placed look as the two point five billion in the Pentagon's budget that's been reallocated for what he called. Trump's vanity wall but has not yet been spent says it is uncosted and obligated just sitting there. Why not take some of that? Okay not this is an ongoing project and you can't just throw that money out there and spin it immediately for something. That has not been able to her as of yet so basically. You're hunting for way to strip the wall and that goes along with the standard democratic Point of long more illegal immigration country. Gotcha here representative Smith Idiot number two says it. Wd Can play a role he says. Congress should consider funding in funding in a supplemental budget for urgent needs at the Pentagon is uniquely positioned to provide what we do need to spend money on in the supplemental is whatever necessary to help us. Deal with the virus. I think bill. Deacon play a role in Smith cited more aggressive use the defense production act increase production of personal protection. Witnesses in ninety five face. Mess This guy hasn't got clue. He's obviously does not know how dod money is utilized spent. It's not that easy to move it around and it to me and just reading everything that goes on with doing the research to bring this out today. He's doing nothing more than trying to stop trump for building his wall down there allow more illegal immigration in and using his position as per string holder in the House Armed Services Committee to make that happen. So he's looking stripping all kinds of things that money sitting there dormant right now because we've got the virus going to. Why do you want to take the money away? I tell you what representative Smith if you want to get more money if you want to bring in more. Money is not that to me is not being utilized correctly. Why don't you shut down? All the DOD contractors out there this doing your servicemen and women's job for them and not allowing them to do their work and his raping the American public for billions of dollars a year. If not a month over implicity duplicated work so take a look at that idiot number two so give us a few minutes here or use a minute and we'll be right back with our closing thoughts. Palled News Dot. Net is a short newsletter. Every weekday with everything you need to know about podcasting and on demand you can subscribe free at Pod. News Dot Net for new podcast launches company changes stats and no waffle in fact Pun donated. So woeful free. It's really short just like this. Promo for my view from my military mind over the years that I served my country in many capacities as a soldier as a firefighter. Fire Chief. Law Enforcement varies other aspects and serving in you know as a Labor and construction in various other jobs. I have watched our country. Change an undue late with these changes. Smell good some bed. I'm quite proud of where I'm at what I've done But what scares me now? Is the way our country changing? I'm saying those things that we fought against and defend against socialism communism and our Marxism all the starting to come to a head in our country being brought in but people who have been fringe been held the French you know like the Blasio and this Bernie Sanders. Afc A- a- Cossio Cortes these particular individuals in their mind. They feel they're right but it doesn't fit within our constitutional republic. I don't want to see our country going to socialism I've seen been around the world wide. Seen what it does so as I say every show every podcast appearances like I said earlier in this in this show the American people must educate themselves be aware. Don't be a lemming over the hill just because of the party voice always supporting look deep See what they're doing. See what they're wanting to come out with the. I'm not telling you you've got to be Republican or Democrat or independent or libertarian. Her Green Party. Whatever telling you be an American and be part of this country and educate yourself. Don't vote for him just because of the lesser two evils. Then make your voice heard and don't allow our our America to be overrun by utopic ideas that we know not gonNA work. It scares me to see what we've got going on today but I am confident the American people will make things work and will come out of this dark hole. It may not be tomorrow. May Not be this year. It'll be soon until the next show be say God bless you and God bless Merg. 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"Record numbers of deaths more resignations of key personnel and little sign of any improvement on the horizon where next for scenarios brazil but take of an eta issued social media and is now launching an online magazine in pursuit of a more thoughtful approach to content with leading sportsmen and women this week also pledging to quit toxic platforms. Are we at a crossroads and on new york. City correspondent looks to nature for some inspiration. Monaco's editors tackle those topics today on the late edition hero monocle twenty four. Hello and welcome to the late edition this friday evening hero monocle twenty four with me. Tom edwards joining me here in studio one of macquarie house. I am delighted to say. We have both marcus hippie dude evening. Tom and of course failed. nando shaker. happy easter thome. Indeed is we can. We shall come to that faye a little later. What about some thoughts on the week just going to talk about your homeland in just a second. Marcus how is this week for you your so you beaming earlier in the week and you're dickie bow on looking very smart. You've been recognized understand last in last week of south. Oh how funny that you mentioned that. So i actually. Yeah i i have. I've been recognized. I'd say the menu has been recognized. Stephen so the menu has worn the so called taste award pioneer award which is recognition for us having done so for almost ten years and pioneer. It's not about pies approach. Isn't that exactly. I think he's good to remember that when we launched monocle twenty four radio station doing it costs in this game loss into big thing and like there was none of this hype around broadcast so well done us. We all have been here for ten years. Now well donnie. Marcus and you wearing it very well. Let me just say that But let's kick off the program if you're not very by crossing to you. We have to talk about brazil. Listen we spoke. I think about two weeks ago and you were tracking this priorities of negative spiral of news. We spoke again earlier this week and now weeks end. I think we should reflect on the week. That was indeed the month that was because in march. We've seen Deaths figures from kobe. More than double the previous record. We had the military departure which we spoke about before bank officials. Leaving the kind of tenuous grip. The bolsonaro had seems to be loosening. The country just feels like it's unraveling at the moment. I mean is that a fair characterization i guess festival it is very fair tone and it is such a difficult period brazil. I think since. I start covering all things brazil and never seen a situation like this because it's combining so many factors And i think one of the worries that is quite important as well because as you know in the past brazil perhaps might not have been the biggest political force worldwide. But we kind of that image of soft power of lightness of good relationships. All across the world to be honest. I mean You know from countries in africa two countries in europe but that is changing and even our neighbors are quite scared. I mean just as new have recent used. the for example chilean believe. They're closing all their borders to brazil and flights because they're scared of the variant as well and both sinatra doesn't have a relationship with most of those leaders as well so it is quite quite quite tough to see and we still have more than a year to go into the next election Yeah very worrying times and tell me a little bit because we've spoken before about the legacy of of course military dictatorship that came to a close in in the mid nineteen eighties. Most of our relationship with military and of course because of this change in personnel is really intriguing and he had won a lot of popular support. Let's be clear from saying it should be commemorated the ship and he's very clear. He's a sort of pro military nationalist. We know that that's what he is. But the way that the military and the role played in the backdrop of that dictatorship is very complex in in brazil remind listeners. Who may be aren't so familiar with it. Why it makes the line bolsonaro walks and these dynamics that we've seen putting shot folks so so interesting. It's interesting tom. Because the chiefs of the military in brazil the all the generals. They're not necessarily pro scenario. Because you know the military took alone time to get gang respect from brazilians again after the dictatorship You know the the some sometimes actually before the sonata government civilians were our Defense ministers instead of generals So the military the quite an easy. We've both sonars authoritarian plans. And i don't see a risk or brazil stopping in democracy or anything like that but the risk i do see it's the chaos that he can implement. I mean look what happened in the united states early january this year this could happen next year next year in brazil election. I really don't doubt that if boston doesn't change. Its attitudes and i think for country like brazil. They'll be devastating. I mean it was there. Were stating for the us. But we are perhaps in a weaker position. finan- economically. I would say as well so they are. The worry is there any can happen. And if we talk about the costs that are lie ahead from brazil in continuing down. This this paul. It's interesting reflected there on soft power damage and you know. Brazil is a country that had a very positive sort of global it was viewed very positively globally. Now the fins unlike this the fins are the happiest nation in the world of course we learned statistically quite often but the fencing to be quite mindful of that quite defensive and they don't maybe want to do anything that would jeopardize the way fins and finland are perceived around the world. they must look in sort of astonishment. At how brazil is doing all of this damage to itself. I think there are many lessons. Learned from from brazil looking at what's been happening over there with the leadership and holidays. Covert ninety and situation has been handled very well at all. I think he's also obviously. I had to make the point is. Obviously you're going to you know that finland has been once again ranked the happiest nation in the world as you guessed knowing me in the office in situations case. I think it's interesting. You know looking at the situation in brazil and also kind of comparing that to what's happening in finland. Obviously you know. It's what's happening in finland's nothing comparable but when i was listening to fernando explain the situation and looking at zayda boston position for example i was thinking that there's there's not many leaders in the world. All who would have fared very well. Even in finland sue in the beginning of the pandemic. We thought the prime minister sanoh modernist doing a really good job and the number of course. Nineteen infections has been in steady increase in finland. It's not very bad yet. But it's clear that the government will need to do something and that's when people are beginning to express their dissatisfaction without prime minister because it doesn't look like she's actually doing enough one reason for this is that the finished system is a bit different so the politicians they have to make sure before they introduce any loss. They have to make sure that these new laws off which leads into this awkward debate. That may take four weeks before any actual decisions are made a before. Any changes happen but in any case it's been interesting to follow what's happening in finland. Tell there's more and more dysfunction about prime minister marine in the very beginning she was almost all utilized. She's one of the youngest leaders in europe. A fee may lead and just a couple of weeks ago. There was a documentary about the last twelve months of finland and code and there was one scene that was about fifteen seconds. Long it showed is under marie in the prime minister arriving for television interview at the finnish broadcasting company and she's created outside by by one of their reporters and she comes across a bit rude. She doesn't say hello she walks in. She seems to be stressed. She goes to do the green room to wait to be on television on the journalists choice to speak to her and she doesn't really respond and the public reaction was that she's rude and she's not noise and we don't like that really really off but at the same time i've been working on television and i know being to many colleagues who point out this thing that when you are lead you go to a live television interview. People have different ways of focusing. Adidas won't do that with someone just seconds before you're due to go on television and talk to the nation because any big inquisitor you know someone a young marcus hippie point both barrels at you in the tv studio talk goes around here before you call you and talk about what's happening in the country but So interesting to hear from our that you know because we do have this image in brazil. All the finish leadership considered like an exam against covert. And it's true. I mean during the food so such a difficult year we had. It's hard to be a good leader. Indeed and i think the finger bolsonaro that not only the mishandling of the pandemic but it was just up tomorrow side of things in his complete disregard to people's lives. I mean from the things he said. So it's not just the technical side of the moral side of things count on that as well certainly to well let's change tack and change pace somewhat and talk a bit about the world of fashion protector. Deleted it social media accounts a few months ago. We talked about monocle twenty four. It's now launched an online magazine code issue in pursuit of a more thoughtful and considered way to communicate. Well early this morning on our program. The globalist the retail expert and brand consultant rebecca. Tae had this forest in daniel lee who british creative director. Who's been there for a couple of years. Now he's really sort of led the brand into this new amazing period that is going through. You know everyone wants a piece of bettega. The interest jato those woven beautiful woven leather goods are on every influence. It was quite a surprise when they deleted their social media accounts especially given that. Instagram is seen as you know it's overtaken magazines for example or some believe has taken over magazines. I was kind of a main source of fashion media. Now just went on wednesday. They released their own digital magazine and he was saying that it's basically a more thoughtful considered way to put out. He was really kind of against the homogenization of culture that he thinks social media is and it'll be a quarterly magazine. So it'll only online. It's you know everything from photography to videos to voice overs because actually no text so it's interesting whether or not that's a way to appeal to a global market without having to translate content. Potentially i mean it's quite beautiful but it's definitely an interesting move. He is insisting that it's not a marketing ploy and it's just really his own personal standpoint for where the brand should be rebecca talking to the globalist earlier. Fernando it's interesting we've seen moves a little bit like this but where brands try to react. It's always your slightly suspicious when they say that. It's nothing to do with marketing that it must almost be a reaction against this sort of homogenization of culture in the homogenization of fashion brands online It's an interesting move. And i guess we should welcome any attempt to be more thoughtful and considerate in the ways that any organization communicates right absolutely thing. We'll take advantage in this case. I think they realized that you know. Perhaps their customers do not gaining so much with their social media presence. I mean i. I think they know very well. They're the customers that are feeling very powerful brands. Know very well. Who are they talking can do something like that. And it's quite interesting to see you know. Perhaps their clothes showing the more kind of creative way. I had a look at some of the pictures and the visuals from this magazine. It looks really interesting and has the involvement of messiah. The rapper which is a really interesting person As well again. I'm not saying i think. Social media still has its value but brands are learning that you know they don't wanna be kind of in an influence kind of social media and the same influences wearing backs from all sorts of brands. I mean so. They can't really be trusted. And to one thing that i noticed very very quickly on that same brands and some department stores the are doing more and more magazines in fact more than just advertising social media. And can i tell you something it works. I received some time magazines for certain brands. That i like and kind of makes me wanna buy some of their products. Because you know you receive a nice little package at home. They sent with select group of customers. I think it's a very wise and clever mood. I have to say that. I've never really understood why so. Many luxury brands want to be so present online. And on social media considering that it's very much about exclusivity on it's not exclusive if it's all over the place. I think you know should coordinate the message you want to send you should have a limited somehow made its disposable and not to share it to everyone and say what about sharing it making it so widely available that i think it makes a brunt lose its value often and i point that you dilute the power of your if your message with so many eyeballs and so much exposure. I just lost all you looking after the stack from week to week. It's more great printed material. This doesn't even have any words. We heard for her records working there. But i think a magazine even if it's just there purely for reasons is it's something that's worth worth looking at you. Encouraging encourage people to send in such things submit them to the stack and you can review them on the program. In fact i did think about the stack when i heard about issues here from From what take vince. I think it's such an interesting project. Who knows maybe the hindu something printers. Well you know. I think it'd be very powerful Well let's stay with one of my favorites. Isa teric print offerings the humble postcard. It's time for a postcard from new york city This week our intrepid henry it and looks to the natural world for some inspiration. Cast your mind back to two thousand and four. I've put together an american cable news. Montage to help you and the word is in just now want to go right to build plante. Who is at the white house. The word is from the white house that john kerry has called president bush and has conceded this election bill and then in watertown massachusetts mark zuckerberg creative creator of harvard's the facebook dot com mark. If somebody was to put the question to you about the magnitude of what you think you've launched. How big do you think your product or your service is well. It's impossible to tell when we first launched. We were hoping for you. Know maybe four hundred five hundred people and now we're at one hundred thousand people so who knows where we're going next down. We're hoping to have many more called magister. Keta the magic sucato because it performs an astounding feet disappearing for many years in a regular cycle and then suddenly reappearing in unbelievably huge numbers. This spring the largest group of periodical. Cicadas called grew. Ten has emerged for the first time in seventeen years and is overwhelming portions of the east and midwest and the mississippi to the mid atlantic coastline. No one can say exactly how many there are estimates range as high as ten trillion perhaps the largest insect emergence on earth in two thousand four. I was thirteen. My interest in. Us presidential politics and incipient social media were limited but my interest in bugs was unlimited every evening during the spring of that year. My family's dial up modem with scratch. And i would use microsoft internet explorer to read the latest blog entries tracking cicadas sightings around the eastern seaboard of the united states. As i lay in bed at night. I would entertain vivid fantasies of dancing. Among the cicadas brute ten but the next opportunity to do so seems impossibly far away. Sucato mania is expected to last until the end of june when the route ten adults are all dead and countless little nymph. Sir tunneling back into the ground to wait their next appearance in two thousand twenty one. Twenty twenty one no longer seems impossibly far away in fact it's right now and i'm in new york one of the brood ten states. The bugs are set to emerge in the next few weeks. Also set to emerge in york within the next few weeks or people this week. Eligibility for corona virus. Vaccinations opened up to new yorkers aged thirty and olga and on april sixth new yorkers over the age of sixteen will become eligible right. Now i feel a lot like a brute. Ten nymph i to have been in hibernation for an odd number of years. One to brute tens seventeen. I too have spent that time. Subsisting exclusively on nutrient poor plant tissues to meet my minimal biological requirements. And i too have been completely deprived of light in my hibernation measuring time through the perception of hormonal changes in tree roots that correspond to natural freeze and thaw cycles above the ground. Considering how similar our lives have been in hibernation. I wonder if the cicadas have any tips for how might conduct myself. Once i've emerged. They build a tunnel or an escape chimney. Out of the ground. These will be anywhere from eight to maybe twelve or eighteen inches deep. They're simply waiting for the soil temperature to reach the mid sixties. That's an indication that it's going to be warm enough for the adults to get out of the ground. Move into the vegetation moult fly mate saying and complete the biological imperative. The adult cicadas die quickly soon after they're done with their mating and breeding duties so seventeen years underground or does six weeks above and it's over I'm not sure what lessons. If any i can draw from this. In all probability the cicadas have less time to fill than i do and they seem to have a much clearer idea of how they should spended in any case. I want nothing. But the best. For the cicadas of ten and i look forward to sharing the surface of the earth with them very soon to conclude a brief political update. Probably the most powerful kingmaker in new york politics of the moment is alexandria. Ocasio cortez or a c. As a second term congresswoman. Afc doesn't have much formal power but she's so popular that all the candidates cheese in doors in elections so far have experienced a massive boost of popularity among progressive voters giving her enormous clout. This is especially true in new york races. Aoc hasn't endorsed a mayoral candidate yet. But she has weighed in on a different race. What's going on at the same time that's the race for city comptroller in simple terms the comptroller overseas. The city's public spending their most important job is considered to be managing the city's public pension funds the largest in the world as over two hundred and twenty four billion. Us dollars this week. Aoc endorsed a comptroller. Election candidate called brad. Lander lander is facing a tough race against the city council speaker. Cory johnson the outcome of the comptroller election will be seen as a measure of abc's informal power if her preferred candidate prevails in a tough competition. It'll make her endorsement even more. In the meantime the candidates in the mayoral race will be courting her with all the avidity of the mail. Route ten sucato. These are very romantic. Arthropods the males will chorus and this basically helps the different species of cicada to go to the same trait. Once they're sorted out by species he will shift over to a series of courtship songs with basically try to convince that special someone that he should be the of her nets. You can hear the differences in these three examples as the male sings. A distinct song to attract females of his own species st- markle's very own romantic pulled henry sheridan reporting from new york city. I don't know how many if any nymphs he's all that this postseason probably best not to speculate so let's move on finally. Let me get some weekend thoughts reflections if you will on this. Easter weekend is almost upon us. It's good friday evening of course Marcus in while you were both here. Well i might ask you first of all what. What's the what's the big east traditions. We always do this around christmas time. Don't pay me ask about what's the foods what's things to do. Remind us we've probably train this before. But it's intriguing to me back coming the motherland. What goes on this weekend. Well in my house always. I mean easter eggs. Don't worry i know. Every country has its easter eggs. But i've been telling you from what almost a decade now that the brazilian easter eggs. They are beautiful package and if you go to supermarket. That's my main favorite thing about easter. They are kind of on the top of their on the roof of all supermarkets. It it just looks crazy but they bicker us. Well on they are big and they around and they're not in a box could eggs. Let me just defend human the uk. They usually come in a box. I don't know for whatever reason of course when the egg to pretend yet but it's so much preto in is kind of this kind of festive callers. Instead of just being boring. That's my thought of that. We have our own easter eggs as well. They're called being on eggs and their actual eggshells that have been filled with chocolate. But you're not meant to eat the shell because there's been some accidents pile straighten him. Because i know that you were telling me earlier about some other easter traditions. That go on in in this. Sounds quite scary. And it's got a kind of halloween. You can you can you explain. Easter itself is is is pretty say easter eggs and and lamb. But actually actually. It's it's palm sunday. So he's been. Is this past sunday when you get children tryst up as witches boys and girls dressed up as which knocking their neighbors doors asking for candy and if they get candy then they will perform the spell. That wish you good luck for the future and this is something. I've never been a massive fan of quite often these sundays. I've switched off the lights. And i've been hiding somewhere of locked doors to make. Sure i need to deal with keynote. Camacho east to stay away from them. Yeah i'm not a fan off this. What about what is the what you spell. Marcus i i should ask you to remember. I had to find this from online. Because i didn't remember the words. I have them now in front of me. But if i translate them i. It's in english. Excess i'm wishing you a fresh healthy upcoming year lebron's for you a price for me and what this branch by the way it is. It's a gift you get. He's been decorated with colorful feathers. And all these kids come over in finnish obviously in case you're wondering it is beatable invulnerable and do our extended of x. Box water. Vive sola bar gamaa. I was trying to make fernando. Do this what quickly. And of course Victim vardhan x of x tila. Vox with beck's vit- susu soleil polka beautiful. Very good. dr sounded like sign from harry potter. Ivc perfectly now who does not bring bad luck upon us markets. I know it's meant to bring good luck. It's not spell raising the evil and their debt. Don't worry about that. It's all very positive. Good if you go to finland even if you if you see this. Kids stressed up weirdly. Stay away from them. That's what you're sunday's okay. D- look very scary terrifying looking to google it. If you want to discover that for yourself and we should say. People often tune in on fridays to multiple twenty four. Because they want be a soundtrack to the weekend ahead and we should explain to people there's a soundtrack available not just for this weekend but hear to four every weekend the global countdown. That you preside over magisterially. Every week is kind of going into overdrive. Tell us more. It's been a very happy. We told me because as you know we do this. Segment usually with andrew mueller. Sometimes they even did reviewing the pastas. Well we're looking at the top five singles of you know any country in the world. I want to togo pakistan papua new guinea. I mean i'm very open minded And but now if you go to the monaco dot com website. It's it's its own show and we have our own tie which looks beautiful. It looks like a poster of the olympics in the eighties which makes sense because you know the global conduct olympics of music And this week we started with japan which is always a delight. I mean you like some j. Pop i wonder you know There's a band cossacks zone. They're very well sexy zone sexy zone and the song is called. Let's pick i know it makes. I dunno gramatica wrapped on finland for quite some time. I'm wondering if there's finished book. Music would classify us if pope interesting might do is is the region around selena officially sex zone. Do we know probably saying. It'd be better marcus on that as a last hurrah media. I think it's worth. I think we better wrap it up there. Marco city shaker. Thank you very much for joining us here. On the late edition thanks to to all of our editors today of course to our manager. louis allen. We'll be back at the same time on monday. Be sure to find out more. About all of the wonderful things monocle has to offer astronaut. I said monica. Come to find out more goodbye. We'll be back on monday thanks gene.

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