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A highlight from 1419: Bitcoin ETF Will Push BTC Price to $400,000 - Scaramucci
"Say goodbye to your credit card rewards. Big -box retailers led by Walmart and Target are pushing for a bill in Congress to take away your hard -earned cash back and travel points to line their pockets. Senate Bill 1838 would enact harmful credit card routing mandates that would end credit card rewards as we know it. If you love your credit card rewards, visit HandsOffMyRewards .com and tell them to oppose credit card routing legislation paid for by the Electronic Payments Coalition. And here's your prescription. I know just the pharmacy to get this filled. Who are you? A pharmacy benefit manager. A middleman your insurer uses to decide which medicines you can get, what you pay, and sometimes even which pharmacy you should go to. Why can't I go to a pharmacy in my neighborhood? Because I make more money when you go to a pharmacy I own. No one should stand between you and your medicine. Visit PHRMA .org slash middleman to learn more. Paid for by pharma. Welcome everyone to the number one daily Bitcoin pod. Let's get it. In today's show we'll be breaking down the latest technical analysis as Bitcoin recaptures $28 ,000. In this just in, Japanese 10 -year bond yields are surging, hitting the highest levels not seen in a decade. Max Kaiser's response, the yen -carry trade borrowing yen at virtually zero and investing in higher yielding currencies is broken. This has been the mother of all Ponzi schemes funding global financialization for 30 years and now it's moving in reverse. He also says the Bitcoin is a state of heaven that exists entirely beyond anyone's reach except the owner preach. Also in today's show VanEck, Ethereum strategy ETF set for the CBOE listing. We'll also be discussing FTX founder Sam Bankman -Fried. Mold giving Donald Trump five billion dollars to not run for president. That's right. We'll also be discussing Grayscale submits and SEC filing to convert the Ethereum trust to a spot ETF. I'm also going to be sharing with you a Bitcoin price prediction model which suggests $170 ,000 per BTC in 2025 as well as skybridge capital's Anthony Scaramucci says Bitcoin ETF can push the Bitcoin price much higher in early 2024. In fact they'll be sharing with you Scaramucci's $400 ,000 Bitcoin price prediction alongside 1 billion Bitcoin users. We'll market all this plus so much more in today's show. Yo what's good crypto fam. This is first and foremost a video show so if you want the full premium experience with video visit my youtube channel at Cryptonewsalerts .net. Again that's Cryptonewsalerts .net. Welcome everyone just joining us. This is pod episode number 1419. I'm your host JV. Today is October 2023 2nd as the October pump continues. Let's freaking go. Shout out to everyone today in the live chat. Make sure to let me know where you're tuning in from. Of course at the end of the show I'll be reading everyone's comments out loud as this is a live and interactive show. Seven days a week and the after party FYI will be on rumble. So let's get it. Let's kick off today's show with our market watch as we do each and every day shall we. As you can see here on coin 360 we got Bitcoin up roughly 3 % for the day trading at roughly that 28 ,000 mark just under it. We have Ether consolidating trading under $1 ,700 while BNB, Cardano and Solana are all in the green and checking out coinmarketcap .com. We're finally climbing again at a market cap of 1 .09 trillion. We've been stuck around this 1 trillion level for quite some time. We got roughly 46 billion in volume in the past 24 hours meaning volume is up roughly 60 % and Bitcoin dominance is massively on the climb. I think the bull market is in full gear 49 .6 % for BTC with the ETH dominance at 18 .3 % and checking out the top 100 crypto gainers in the past 24 hours Satoshi vision leading the pack up 23 % trading at $39 .37 followed by e cash up roughly 9 % followed by Bitcoin cash. Now it's interesting that the Bitcoin forks are the top gainers for the day. I think anything associated with the name Bitcoin is pumping. It is what it is and checking out the top 100 crypto gainers of the past week Satoshi vision lead in the pack here up 23 and a half percent alongside our LB up roughly 12 % and XCC up roughly 9 % and checking out the crypto greed and fear index we're dead in the middle 50 which is neutral yesterday was a 48 last week a 47 and last month a 39 in fear. So there you have it fam how many of you are currently bullish on the king crypto now that we in October let me know and make some noise and put God candle and maybe the Satoshi and God's watching above will send it let's freaking go and with that being shared fam now let's dive into today's Bitcoin technical analysis and check out some of the charts and what's popping with the king crypto where Bitcoin is likely to go next Bitcoin aim for 25 at the October 2nd Wall Street open at a bullish start as the month continued which you can see here in the Bitcoin one -day candle chart data from Cointelegraph and trading view showed Bitcoin price action staying strong into October's first US trading session Bitcoin made swift gains into the weekly close following a contrastingly cool monthly candle completion that saw Bitcoin finish at 26 ,000 970 now popular analyst right capital says this monthly close despite now being more than 5 % below the spot price called for caution quoting him here Bitcoin performed a September monthly candle close below twenty seven thousand one hundred and he also said technically that black line was solidified as resistance for September so he acknowledged the October breakout but said this would invalidate the bearish predicament should it endure now he also says because the Bitcoin monthly closed below the black line there's always going to be a chance that this price action could end up as an upside wick as he shares here alongside this chart Bitcoin offered upside wicks of up to 8 % long before but right now Bitcoin is up four and a half percent this month so technically anything up to twenty nine thousand four hundred could theoretically end as an upside wick so there you have it let me know if you agree disagree with the analysts say goodbye to your credit card rewards big box retailers led by Walmart and Target are pushing for a bill in Congress to take away your hard -earned cash back and travel points to line their pockets Senate bill 1838 would enact harmful credit card routing mandates that would end credit card rewards as we know it if you love your credit card rewards visit handsoffmyrewards .com and tell them to oppose credit card routing legislation paid for by the electronic payments coalition now closer to home market observers noted the ongoing encouraging signals on the exchange order books quoting jelly here spot bid continues while funding is negative this reeks of disbelief and as he shared here Bitcoin still spot -driven perhaps haven't done much yet to be honest yeah so Bitcoin shrugs off fresh US dollar surge just as eager to hit new local highs in the day was the US dollar after Congress avoided a government shutdown the US dollar stays the sharp rebound from losses seen late last week and at this time the DXY circled 106 .7 barely point two points off its recent 2023 highs and for crypto analyst Nebraskan Gooner a breakout from here would put 108 in play mark in new 11 -month highs as outlined right here now it's interesting the Bitcoin is pumping alongside with the dollar is usually it's inversely correlated maybe it's a sign of the times now together with the hype on yields and the oil prices economist Mohammed el -irian described the DXY strength as neither the US economy nor the markets enjoy Bitcoin nonetheless remain unfazed let's freaking go and as Kaiser points out here well he responded to this news the Japanese 10 -year bond yields are surging hitting the highest levels not seen in over a decade max responded the yen carry trade borrowing and at virtually zero and investing in higher yield currencies is broken this has been the mother of all the Ponzi schemes funding the global financial ization for 30 years and now it's moving in reverse and quitting max again Bitcoin is a state of heaven that exists entirely beyond anyone's reach except the owner preach that's why everyone needs to be stacking them sass and with that being shared fam now let's break down our next breaking story of the day a theorem ETF futures launch today October 2nd that's right check it out investment management firm Vanek is set to launch as a theorem strategy ETF today October 2nd with the product now listed on the website under the ticker EF UT and set for trading on the CBOE the Vanek a theorem strategy ETF will look to accrue capital by investing into a theorem futures contracts and has no direct exposure to eat the fund will expose cash settled eat futures contracts on CFTC regulated commodity exchanges Vanek also touts the benefits of the product being a C Corp structure which includes tax benefits the long investors compared with registered investment company structures here's the announcement here on X from Vanek when you are ready enter the ether how many of you have seen this commercial let me know in fact they launched two of them they're quite fascinating the investment manner has been advertising the launch of the East spot ETF on its social media accounts over the past few days with to enter the ETH themed TV commercials promising the upcoming launch now Vanek also announced that intends to donate 10 % of all their profits from its upcoming ether futures ETF to a theorem core developers over the next decade and as reported 15 different ether futures ETFs from nine issuers are currently awaiting approval from the US SEC and I guess they have until the end of September of 2023 analysts cited sources with the SEC of saying the regulator wanted to approve either future ETFs before potential US government shutdown but meanwhile bitwise asset management confirmed that trading for its to ether if futures ETFs would commence October 2nd as well with investors getting access to eat futures trading on the CB OE so there you have it we all know that futures are not in investors best interest in fact investors are most likely going to get wrecked we want the real deal baby which is the spot ETF and a little later in the show we're gonna be discussing grayscale converting their product to not only a Bitcoin spot ETF but also a spot a theorem ETF here in just a little bit but first we have some breaking news coming in surrounding FTX founder Sam Bankman freed I mean you can't make this stuff up he allegedly was trying to bribe Donald Trump with five billion dollars to not run for president good freaking Lord check this out how many of you seen this story let me know former FTX CEO SPF once looked into paying Donald Trump not to run for president of the United States according to Michael Lewis the author of the new book documented the rise and fall of SPF Michael Lewis author of going infinite the rise and the fall of a new tycoon spoke about the former crypto billionaire and the FTX founder in a 60 minutes interview yesterday October 1st one of the revelations in the book is that SPF looked into paying Donald Trump to not run for president that only shocks you if you don't know Sam as Lewis added the following Sam's thinking that we could pay Donald Trump not to run for president like how much would it take the number that he was kicking around was five billion dollars and he added before saying that SPF was unsure if that number came directly from Donald Trump and here's your prescription I know just the pharmacy to get this filled who are you a pharmacy benefit manager a middleman your insurer uses to decide which medicines you can get what you pay and sometimes even which pharmacy you should go to why can't I go to a pharmacy in my neighborhood because I make more money when you go to a pharmacy I own no one should stand between you and your medicine visit ph RMA org slash middlemen to learn more paid for by pharma SPF was also looking into the legality of it according to Lewis who added that they were still having these conversations when FTX blew up it just didn't happen because SPF didn't have the five billion any longer very interesting if you haven't watched the video check the show notes below the video in the description and after the show you can catch it out this clip taken from 60 minutes now according to Lewis SPF saw Trump as trying to undermine the democracy of the United States thinking he belongs on a list of existential risk crazy Lewis spent more than 70 days in the Bahamas on a dozen different trips to visit SPF in 2022 and the pair became close I would say in spare bedrooms I had codes to every room including the penthouse he told the Wall Street Journal and speaking on the fallout between the collapse of FTX in November he shared it was like the aftermath of Pompeii clothes and belongings left behind frozen in time many headed to the airport leaving company cars with the keys inside at the curb now Cointelegraph contacted legal representatives for SPF and Trump mark botnik who handles communications for SPF case said there was no comment from his legal team and according to the trial schedule calendar released last week the high -profile SPF trial begins October 3rd which is tomorrow less than 24 hours out with their jury selection the trial then begins on October 4th so it's going to be an interesting week the trial will involve seven fraud cases against SPF two substantive charges where the prosecution most convinced the jury that Bankman freed committed the crime and five other conspiracy charges so there you have it I wouldn't put it past Bankman freed whatsoever he was supporting the Democratic Party making mass donations to the Dems in support of Biden and heavily against Trump so I mean good lord could you say fraud I mean I could see Trump saying hey give me you want to give me five billion and not run for president sure let's make it happen but fortunately enough Sam Bankman freed didn't get away with that particular crime that we are aware of as he lost the company and the company went kaboom thanks to CZ calling him out firsthand on his FTT scam tokens but anyways fam let me know if that's surprising or shocking to you or you're not surprised at all now let's discuss the etherium spot ETF which is way more significant than any futures ETFs will ever be let's break this one down following the approval of the first ether futures exchange traded fund grayscale investments is looking to convert its grayscale aetherium trust to a spot aetherium ETF kudos to them because they're doing the same thing with their Bitcoin product as well they want to spot Bitcoin ETF the new New York Stock Exchange arca filed the conversion with the United States SEC October 2nd today grayscale's existing trust invested in ether futures contracts as an indirect means of exposure to aetherium but a spot ETF will invest in the underlying asset itself that's what makes it that much greater it's not derivatives or paper it's the real deal they have to hold the underlying asset as Michael Sun and shine shared here grayscale has filed to convert their grayscale aetherium trust to a spot ETF thank you for your continued support we can't wait to get started yeah so he also says as we file to convert the ethe to an ETF the natural next step in the products evolution we recognize this as an important moment to bring aetherium even further into the u .s.
Fresh update on "boxing" discussed on The Charlie Kirk Show
"I just, just seeing a little glimpse of her, I don't think she's going to give up power willingly. She might actually end up going into the senate primary. You're trying to tell me Laphonza Butler, who was like this abortion activist, she's also was a regent on the University of California system. Which is interesting, how could you become a regent in California and not be a resident of California? That's really strange. She also ran Black Pack, the National Children's Defense Fund, Board of the Bay Area Economic Council Institute. She went to Jackson State University, which interestingly enough is in HBCU and Deion Sanders actually coached there before going to coach at University of Colorado. She also was involved in the SCIU public policy campaigns and campaigns at Airbnb. So she checks all the boxes, every box you can imagine. But it gets even better. So Gavin Newsom appoints her and there'll be no consequences for appointing basically an enjoy one part of this, a little bit of delight in the suffering of my enemy. The one person who is just wishing that he was a Black woman right now is Adam Schiff.
A highlight from New England's Historic Loss & CJ Stroud Breaks Out
"Hello and welcome to the MMQB NFL podcast. I'm Conroe. That's my dog Ernie upstairs barking at the FedEx guy. Albert Breer's here and I'm going to start in New York because Albert I can't believe that we're still doing this Taylor Swift thing. And now the NFL is doing the Taylor Swift thing. Do you see that they are their subhead on their Twitter pages. The Chiefs are now 2 -0 as Swifties. I did not see that but I am more and more. It's fake. I think so too. I think on Friday like the radio show I did in Boston. They leave me at the like and these guys are really creative and they kind of like took me through their full like tinfoil hat like conspiracy theory. You know like you know what this actually really makes sense. Like because the NFL has forever chased the female demographic and they've struggled to get it. And they know that there's nothing more buzz worthy on that side of the aisle than Taylor Swift. And they were shameless enough to cut like I mean we've seen some of their shameless acts over the years to try and get the female audience. And this wouldn't even rank in like the top 10. You know what I mean like this would just be sort of par for the course that they would do something like this. So I really like I am officially on this Monday morning Connor especially after the 10 million shots that box last night. I'm all the way there. This is all fake. This is all like this is all contrived. This is it. Everyone wins situation. Taylor gets to promote her movie. What else is it? There's one other thing right is a new album coming out. I can't keep track of all of this. I have no idea. OK. So Taylor gets to promote that stuff with a different demographic. Right. Like football different demographics different than hers. The NFL gets to try to take a swing at the female audience. And then Travis Kelsey gets an enormous benefit from this. Travis Kelsey's following has exploded. Nine hundred thousand new followers. This is like an everyone wins situation. And it's all fake. A 14 point 14 whatever place jump in Jersey sales. Like we were taught in school to follow the money and it's right out in front of us. Like it's like you know we're not even it's not even like they're hiding it. And I think I'm only read some of this stuff sometimes, though, and like like over the last week, like actually clicking on some like people dot com links, you know, I've seen some stories she reads. And I always think that the page six type stuff, you know, and I always think it's funny when there's like an insider into somebody's relationship, like who would be the insider into your relationship? Connor, I, you know, when they when they when they when they put sources into your relation and then people's relationships. Yeah, the sources be I mean, it would be like my neighbor or like my mom or my wife's mom. It would be like, yeah, I think I think they're fighting, you know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have a publicist. I always think that's great. Like is the sources into the like the insiders into the relationship? Like is that person like just coming over and hanging out on a Tuesday or something and that makes them an insider? So Brian Costello, who's awesome, Jets beat writer for the New York Post, and he tweeted the the bio for the NFL's Twitter page, which is the Chiefs two and O's Swifties. And he's totally right. This is the kind of stuff that fuels nutjob conspiracy theorists, not just the ones with the podcast. But the fans who watched that game last night and saw their saw the outcome derailed by an extraordinarily questionable call on Sauce Gardner. And listen, I'm not saying it's good, bad, right, wrong or indifferent. But if you're a Jets fan and you've already seen your entire season railroaded by the NFL's greed and desire to milk whatever they can out of this franchise and you had to do hard knocks. Every single game is on prime time. Your schedule is ridiculous, ridiculously front loaded and impossible at the beginning. You know, I don't know what else you could think right now other than your team is just being actively manipulated by by the league. And listen, I don't believe it. You know, Andy Benoit and I used to fight about the I used to get him going on the NFL's fake thing a while back. We had a lively discussion about that after Peyton Manning's second Super Bowl. But I don't believe it. I'm not one of those people. Well, you're not making them go away. I just noticed I just went to the NFL's Twitter page. It is now the header is three shots of tail left. And like if you look at the bio, I think this is a tailor. I think this is a tailor reference. We had the best day with you today. Maybe is that a reference? I think it has to be right to be clear. I'm not anti Taylor Swift. I think she's a fine musician. Yeah, I think she's a genius. Like, yeah, I think she's a legitimate genius and everything she touches turns to gold. And there's a reason for it. She's obviously incredible. Yeah, I just don't like I want you know what? I think I'm hot, too, because I'm coming off the I wrote about the way those are the lyrics to it. Those are those are lyrics from a Taylor Swift song titled The Best Day. Okay, I think I'm just a little hot coming off the Toy Story broadcast, too. Did you did you catch any of that? I was actually coaching third grade football during the Toy Story. Okay, good. Yeah, I threw that on and I was just like, what are they doing? And I get it. You're trying to get kids to watch football. But how about just allowing kids to watch football or to have kids play football and not to watch like a I mean, the technology was incredible. But it like it looked like a like a like Minecraft, you know, and like I just felt like I watch it with my son for a minute. And I was like, they're trying to just it's like cocoa melon. They're just trying to hypnotize them. So we we bang that thing fast. I mean, I just feel like that's like there are some people at the league office who don't have enough to do. And that's how things like that wind up coming to life. Like like fix, fix the problems. Like we're focused on Taylor Swift and the Toy Story broadcast, like like digital chains so that like chains don't break during the game. Grass fields like like like fix the actual problems with the games. My God. Anyway, twenty three twenty, the Chiefs beat the Jets. The Jets fall to one in three. The Chiefs are three and one. I think my takeaway from this game is the takeaway that everybody had, which was this was a feisty, very feisty Zach Wilson game. I think that Robert Sala, to me, win or lose, just earns so much credit because during the week he knew he was going to get demolished. And he said, you don't throw people away. You just don't throw people away. And I give him so much credit because honestly, this is job on the line stuff. And he stuck with Zach Wilson. He dug in. There was no sample size. And Zach played really well. I was very happy for them. And look, like I think that the biggest problem that Robert Sala had was like, can he continue to sell Zach Wilson to the locker room? Because the premise of that entire team, the construction of that team this year was we're going for it. Right. So there are guys in that locker room like Allen Lazard and Adrian Amos and Randall Cobb, guys that were like that are older vets that are there to chase the ring. And like guys like that aren't going to have patience. They don't care what this means for your franchise in 2025. They care about right now. And the younger guys in the roster are going to be worried about what's going to get them in a position to get paid. So it can be hard to sell a developing quarterback to a locker room. And I'll give Robert Sala credit for standing by Zach Wilson, because if he didn't do that, like it would have been impossible. It would have been impossible for Zach in that locker room. you And, know, it sort of made me think of something I said earlier in the day about how Josh Dobbs should get us to question everything about how we develop quarterbacks, how the NFL develops quarterbacks, how the NFL nurtures quarterbacks. Because, you know, you have this guy in Josh Dobbs who got what, six years to kind of learn away from the bright lights. And then because he was on different teams, because he had different experiences, because he was developed away from game action, because people invested in him, because he had a chance and people had patience with him. And, you know, every single movement of his wasn't, you know, litigated on a public level on a week to week basis. You know, he had a chance to kind of get better in the background. And now you have a guy who's so adaptable that he could be traded a week before the season and start and take maybe the worst roster in the league and have a competitive over the first month of the season. It really like to me, like looking at Josh Dobbs makes you question everything. And so if six years can do that for Josh Dobbs, why are we throwing guys out after two or three years? That's what I don't get about it. It's fair to make an assessment on a guy and say, like, he sucks now. But to say guys never going to be good, just ignore so much history. You know, like Alex Smith is a phenomenal example of it. Right. Like how many times was he given up on in San Francisco? Yeah. Like, oh, he can't play. But no one was looking at the fact that like he had five coordinators his first five years in the league. He had two head coaches. Everything was completely unstable around him. And then Jim Harbaugh gets there in 2011 says, no, I'm sticking with him. And he takes off and then he's in the league for another decade as a starter. You know, like it's just we have so many examples of the of why we shouldn't make definitive and declarative statements about young quarterbacks. And yet we do it over and over and over again. And like I do, I think like the intention of the Jets in the first place was we have to press the pause button with Zach Wilson. We may have wronged him by playing him too fast. Right. And by putting too much on him too early. And so the whole intention on bringing him back this year was to allow him the chance to do the Josh jobs and develop in the background for a year or two. And that got blown up. But just because that plan got blown up like that's not Zach Wilson's fault. That plan got blown up. It's not anybody's fault. So now you're going to just completely throw the kid out. Why? Because Aaron Rodgers got hurt. There's a lot of like really faulty logic that goes into the way that he's been talked about over the last couple of weeks, I think. I agree. I'm not just saying this because I wrote about it, but to not even, you know, I think we're in such a easy Twitter dunk society that when Zach Wilson and Nathaniel Hackett get paired up, everyone's just like, oh, this is going to be terrible. And without looking at any of the history of any of these guys. The AFC championship came with Blake, Blake Bortles. He got Ryan Nassib drafted out of Syracuse. I went to Syracuse. Do you know who was the quarter? The last quarterback drafted before Ryan Nassib, Donovan McNabb, Donovan McNabb. I was going to say I was going to say Troy Nunes. Like I think drafted as a quarterback. I think there was a couple of quarterbacks that turned into tight ends, but in literally broke all the school records with this guy. And then he got Kyle Wharton, I believe, to the doorstep of the playoffs. Yeah. Two MVPs with Aaron Rodgers after he was lost in the woods for a little while. The guy's good at what he does, you know, and we're seeing in Denver now, who knows? Make your own judgments about what happened there. But I think that this thing could work like, OK, yeah. The Jets are one in three, but their schedule softens up a little bit. They played a lot of their best defenses up front. You know, Zach Wilson is going to look bad against the Cowboys, but how many other people are going to look really bad against the Cowboys? Right. And now in the next few games, like they have the Broncos coming up. I mean, Zach Wilson could could legitimately put up 50 points against that team. The Eagles, who are really good defense giants, Jets, Giants before Halloween, which if he can handle the pressure. I think that's coming off a buy, too. So it's coming off a buy. You know what Wink Martindale is going to do. He does it well, but you know what he's going to do. And then the Chargers November six, the Raiders November 12th. You don't play a really good team. You play the Eagles in the bills in the next month and a half. Otherwise, you're good. Well, we're kind of like that's like and that was the whole logic behind this. And I think we talked about this last week. To me, the problem with going away from Zach Wilson, like in the whole in the first place, was a there's no better option out there right now. Right. And B, once you go away from him, you can't go back again. You know, so I think so. I think so. I knew that like it was if we bench him in consecutive years, we can't sell him to the locker room again.
Fresh update on "boxing" discussed on Bloomberg Businessweek
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A highlight from S13 E16: Oliver: Writer, Producer, and Novelist Spotlight
"Hello, welcome to The Loney Show. I'm your host, John Mayolone. In this episode, don't have regulars, because raisins, as always, unfortunately. As for our guest, he's from Portland, Oregon, currently living in Los Angeles, California, and he is a film producer. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Oliver Tutill Jr. Well, thank you, Peter. It's actually Ted Hill Jr. But thanks for having me on your show. I'm excited to be here. Anytime. So, how's life? It's good. It's really exciting. I love the film business. I've been in the business for quite a while. And it's very exciting meeting different people, talking to different producers, actors, filmmakers, editors, composers, business financing. It's all very exciting. You meet a lot of very interesting people that are very involved in their work and are very creative. Ah, very good. And have you been up to much recently? Yeah, we've been pretty busy. My company's name is Cinema Development and Writing Services. And my business partner is Tara Walker. And what we do is, when we started out, we've had our business about a year now. And anybody that's curious, they can just go to cinema wds .com. That's our website. And what we do is, we work with novelists, and we adapt their novels into screenplays. And then once we've adapted them into screenplays, we've been asked by our clients to, well, can you place this with Hollywood companies? And we said, well, yeah, we probably can, you know, we weren't doing that. We're primarily focused on writing, but we started packaging, which means that we started putting together like a deck of electronic brochure that shows the actors we thought might be good for the role, and what the director is. And then we present it to different production companies, different producers and finance companies in Los Angeles, and sometimes in New York as well. Okay, very nice. And what inspired you to start all that? Well, I think I started out in the business, and so did Tara, we were both actors. And we enjoyed that. But it's, it's very, very tough. Getting regular work as an actor, you go through good times, and then there's these long stretches where you don't have much work. And so we said, Well, how can we get more involved in business? And so we both decided, well, why don't we become producers? So Tara started her own production company years ago called Alpenfest films. And then I started, I started out making a production company called Autumn Tree Productions, where I, at that time, this was in the late 1980s, I pretty much focused on making educational films, and actually was pretty much on emotional child abuse. And I did that for 10 years, I had a lot of success. A lot of my films, educational films are used in universities and colleges and many institutions. And after doing that for 10 years, I wanted to segue over into doing commercial motion pictures and, and documentaries. So I started a company called Bluewood films. And under that name under that company, I produced quite a few films and documentaries and pleased to say that some of them are on streaming platforms now where people can can see them. I just have my newest release was just last month. It's called Crazy Horse of Life, featuring Russell Means, the late Nakoda actor who did very well. Right, then. Very good. And have you ever considered like, releasing any of your work on an international level? Yes, I mean, Crazy Horse of Life is available internationally. They can definitely time to be TV so anybody can go to to be TV and anywheres in the world basically and watch it for free. It's ad supported. And then we've got another film called the right to bear arms, which is a dramatic crime feature starring john savage. And that's available on Amazon Prime and Amazon freebie and also on to be TV. And we've got another film that's distributed internationally. It's also on to be TV. It's called the Loch Ness Monster of Seattle and it features Graham Green, the Academy Award nominated actor from Dances with Wolves. It's been doing very well. My distributor is very pleased. He just sent me a letter the other day and he said how happy is that how well it's doing. So those those three films are available now. We've got new ones that are going to be coming out later this year. We're excited about. Wow, fantastic. So where would you see yourself 20 years from now? Well, that's a good question. And 20 years is a long time. But I would say in 20 years, I'd probably see myself and Tara, my business partner, our own company now, but probably producing eight to 12 motion pictures a year. Also, I'm a composer too. So I probably, I haven't been doing my composing recently, but I've, I've scored a lot of motion pictures and documentaries. And it's a matter of fact, Crazy Horse of Life. The score I did that score and I did actually I wrote the score years ago, but it's used in this big feature now and I scored the movie right to bear arms as well. So but 20 years, I want to still be producing movies and helping actors and helping create jobs for people that work in the industry. You badly because they can't get work. Yes, of course. So I want to provide jobs for people. And also, I'm a novelist as well. And I hope to have a few more novels released. I just had my first novel released by awesome Achilles publishers, which is their home offices in London. So it's definitely an international release. And it's called when the sunlight goes down, goes dark, excuse me, when the sunlight goes dark. And it's about a young, young boxer living in Los Angeles, who has to deal with unscrupulous promoters. And one of the one of the supporting characters in the book is a man from England who who wins one of the heavyweight titles. It's also a book that it also covers worker exploitation, family dysfunction, spousal Okay, fantastic. Yeah, let me just mention, Peter, that people can look at it to go to the website for the book. It's when the sunlight goes dark .com. That's the website for the book. And it's also available on amazon .com and Barnes and Noble, Goodreads, any bookstore, you go into any reputable bookstore, and they can order it for you. All right, then very good. So in terms of your written work, besides what, besides the novels you've just written, are there any more novels you're yet to write or have released? I do have one novel. It's called primordial division. I'm searching for the right agent to rep it. It's kind of a crime horror novel. It's also set in Los Angeles in the 1970s and 1980s. And it's about a woman who has the ability to see the future. She's kind of one of these mind readers and the kid, the male protagonist is able to, he's got the power of telepathy. Very good. And it's set in the context of the entertainment industry. Oh, nice, nice. What could you give a 40 minute presentation on without any preparation? I'm sorry, say that again, Peter, a 14. What could you give a 40 minute presentation on without any preparation? Oh, a 40 minute presentation? I could give it on, definitely, I could probably give it on, I made educational films for 10 years. So I could do on an education, I could do one on the film business. They cover all the aspects of the film business from development to pre production to production to post production, exhibition and distribution. I could do that for you. I've been in the music business since I was a kid. So probably give you a one on that as well. So, okay, very good. What which recent news story have you found most interesting? That's a really great question. The recent most recent news story that I found the most interesting probably would be what's going on with our climate and what's happening to the earth in regards to the climate crisis that's happening in the world today. That's that's one of them, I guess I know it's a big topic, but it definitely stands out. I'm also fascinated by what's going on in American politics today, who's running for president and what's going on in Congress in the Senate. And I'm also very concerned with the state of our country, you know, and how divided people are and how unhappy so many people are. Yeah, absolutely. I was gonna also say to my friends who are very struggling because they have kids, and it's hard for them to get daycare for the kids. So I have one friend, she had to give up work because she, she couldn't afford to hire a babysitter or a nanny or daycare. So yeah, she had to give up her job. Oh, no, that's just sad. Very sad, very sad, the income inequality in this, in the United States. I'm not an expert in your country, but in the United States, it's very sad to see so many people that are divided by class. Wow, I thought the UK was bad. I didn't know that the US has got bigger problems given its size. Yeah, there's a lot of problems. Definitely. We've seen the erosion of the middle class here. You know, it's been kind of disappearing for years. And the income inequality that exists in this country, it's pretty bad. And as well as you know, there was a, I was watching, I was watching News Nation the other night and the big story presented by Chris Cuomo, who's an interesting newscaster, whose brother to his brother to the former governor. And he his top story was these kids that these babies, basically, the toddlers and daycare that died from fentanyl overdoses. And he's all over that. And I'm thinking, yeah, that's, that's tragic. But a lot of people don't want to address what's happening kids into this country, they have many kids suffer from abuse, and how they it's very difficult for them to thrive and survive become and constructive citizens. That that puts something into the country that helps it grow more. Yeah, absolutely. You know, I can share one thing with you, I used to be a teacher. And I taught drama at a film school and a college, as well as film production. And I had a class, this is in Seattle, Washington. And I had a class where I had a quite quite a number of kids that were African American. And I'll never forget this, Peter, because like, they would come to class, sometimes the girls would be crying and go, what's wrong? She go, Well, Joey got killed last night. He said, What are you talking about? She goes, Yeah, Joey, you know, he got on the top of he got on the roof of Dan's car and Dan shot him to death. I said, Oh, you don't read about that in the paper. And then then another day, a girl came into class, she was weeping. I said, What's the matter? And she's when my sister was killed last night. I said, Well, what happened? She said somebody shot to her living room window, and she was killed. You don't read about it in newspaper. Just people don't know about that. Exactly. Yes, indeed. It's the media these days, they only want to show what they really want to show. They don't show the important stuff that goes on like poverty, financial crisis or things that impact a lot of people in this world. Absolutely correct. Yes, you're right, Peter. They don't know it's funny, funny because Chris, it's not funny, but I found it interesting. Chris Como mentioned one night on his show on news nation, he, he mentioned that people don't want to talk about class warfare in this country, you know, what's going on between the classes between the wealthy and the poor, or the struggling lower middle class, you get an idea of it. And now with all the strikes that are going on, you get the writers Guild of America on strike. You've got the screen actors Guild that's going on strike. Now you've got the United Auto Workers going on strike, and it's getting bigger, that strikes growing. And if that strike goes all out, it's going to, it's going to play havoc on the economy here. Yeah, absolutely. What do you disagree with most frequently? What do I disagree with most frequently? Probably people that say everything's going to be great. You know, you just have to hang in there. And also, I find myself disagreeing a lot with financial advisors who say, just, you know, keep it where it is, you know, don't sell, just stay steady, keep your bonds, 40 % bonds or 60 % bonds, 40 % stock or 40 % bonds, 60 % stock. I disagree a lot with financial advisors. Not that I'm an expert in finance, but I'm fascinated by it. I read about it. Absolutely. How much time do you spend on the internet? How much time do I spend on the internet? A fair amount, because I do a lot of research on the internet. And while I'm something to do research on something particular, then then you find, wait a minute, I've got to have to research this more. Then you find yourself going to another page, finding more things to read about. And then you realize you're going to be searching even more on the internet. So and to be honest with you, I spend so much time on the internet as it is on zoom calls. I'm tired of looking at the internet. I prefer reading books. So I read a lot of books. But I've got to use the internet a lot to do research. You know, especially I work with a lot of people that I've got to find out what their background is, you know, in the film business, and the financial business. So I do spend an enormous amount of time on the internet. I imagine you, you do yourself, I'm sure. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Hours upon hours. Yeah, it's a it's a necessity. It's a necessity today without a without a cell phone or computer. It'd be very difficult to survive. I do know some folks in their 70s and 80s. They don't use computers, they don't use cell phones. I do know one young guy who doesn't use a cell phone, but that's very unusual. But it's very hard to survive. I couldn't stay in business if I couldn't use a computer and cell phone. Oh, yes. Sure. It's the same for you. Yeah, of course. The internet is such a necessity. It's part of our lives, in a way. Absolutely. Yes. It is. It's built in. And you read about these kids, you know, they get addicted to their cell phones and computers. And there's so many psychologists that predict they're gonna have trouble with their personal relationships in looking at a screen. They don't spend time in person a lot. I don't know how that'll play out, but it makes sense in a lot of ways. What a world filled with clones of you, what would a world populated by clones of you be like, a world populated by I'm sorry, what what would a world populated by clones of you be like? You mean point of view? And a world populated by clones of you? What would it be like? Oh, clones of me? Yes. Okay, what would I think it would probably be a pretty peaceful world. To be honest, I don't think there'd be any wars, I think war would end. I think children would, we'd set up some type of educational system and change some values in the government in the country so that kids don't get abused, that parents are afforded the education and the training, starting in high school. Probably actually, I take that back, starting in grammar school. How to parent, how to treat other human beings, learning about themselves, becoming self intelligent, learning emotional intelligence, understanding their emotions. And growing up to be citizens that are productive and have empathy for other people. And if this happened, we could, I believe we could end this may sound naive, but I do think we could end poverty in this country. But there's no will to do that. There's no will to help kids because children can't vote. And they're not members of political action committee. So I would, I would make sure that their political action committee is available for children. I would allow children at a certain age if they can show that they have some knowledge about the political system, to have a say in voting, to see who represents them. And I believe with education, and with treating people well, with respect and compassion, having people trained for the type of work that they want to do, that poverty could could be eliminated. And so there are a lot of clones to me, there would be no more wars. And there would be a lot less suffering in the world. Yeah, that sounds that sounds like a very good reason. Thank you. Welcome. What's Education is the key. Education is the key and law. The merging of law and education. And again, unfortunately, the people in power, the bureaucrats and politicians don't have the will or the desire to bring about the needed changes. Yeah, it's so sad. What is your favorite quote? Yes. And probably, I guess it's a quote that is on my mind a lot now, because it's a quote I used to open my novel when the sunlight goes dark about the boxing family in Los Angeles, and the quote is, Oh, pardon me, thou bleeding piece of earth, that I am so meek and gentle with these butchers. And it originally that quote is taken from William Shakespeare's Julius Caesar when Mark Anthony is standing over the dead body of Julius Caesar and Caesar has been assassinated. by members of the Senate. And he's bemoaning the fact that he's so meek and gentle with these butchers because he's kind of going along with them at the time. And it's just a quote that just stands out to me because I've used it in my book because I my books about worker exploitation in one way because a lot of these boxers are exploited. And a lot of them end up in not very good shape. Because people aren't looking out for him. So I guess for today, that's my favorite quote. I mean, I have others too. But I guess for today, that's the one that would be my favorite. All right. Very good. And I could you could use that metaphorically, too. I mean, the sense that, you know, Oh, pardon me, you know, why aren't the people that are running the government trying to help the people? Yes, that's a very good question. I'm sure you've run into very similar situations in England. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. All the time. What's improved your wife quality so much? You wish you did it sooner? I'm sorry, Peter, you have to say that one more time. All right. What improved your life quality so much? You wish you did it sooner? well, Oh, I would I would say I spent a lot of time in therapy. I came from a very dysfunctional family. I suffered a lot of abuse, I was put into a private boarding school where kids got regularly beaten very badly. One of the lucky ones, really, I never suffered any permanent physical injury. But I think if I hadn't gone into therapy, and I was in therapy for decades, I'd say that probably the key to my being a functioning productive adult today, that in a book I read, called compassion and self hate, written by Theodore Isaac Rubin, that book changed my life. I never thought a book could change my life, but that one did. Yeah, of course. That and of course, if you're going to be successful, you have to you have to work hard, you have to know where to put your effort, you have to work hard and you have to think smart. I mean, that old saying about if you work hard, everything will fall into place is not necessarily true. I've known, I've had guy friends that have worked hard all their lives, and they've got nothing. Yeah, absolutely. So you got to work smart, as well as hard. Yes. But the more success you realize, it just adds to your happiness and your fulfillment. Yeah, of course. But people need the basic necessities have to be taken care of. You got to have clothes, you got to have proper shelter, you got to have decent physical health. I don't think I've ever met anyone that's happy if they haven't had good physical health. Yeah, of course. How did you spend your last birthday? Well, my last birthday, I had dinner with my business partner and my best friend, Tara Walker. We went to a really nice restaurant down on the beach, had a great dinner. And then went home and watched a really great movie. And it was a great day. And you know, I talked to a lot of friends and family too. I got a lot of calls. Okay. That's cool. It was fun. Oh, yes. It was quite a time. Yeah. You like birthdays? Yeah, I like birthdays. It's pretty cool, I guess. It's funny. I was just reading about Jimmy Carter, you know, the former President of the United States who is a president. And he's going to be turning 99 here in a couple days. And someone called him up, one of his family members said, I wanted to wish you a happy birthday. And he said, that's, that's not real good. I'm not really excited about this birthday. I didn't know you even make this far in his life. Yeah, he's going to be 99 years old. And you know, he's been in hospice for seven months. Everyone thought he was going to pass in about two or three weeks and he's still going. Madness. Amazing man. Absolutely. We could use a young Jimmy Carter today. That's for sure. Uh huh. Yeah. That'll be something. It would be. Yeah. Yeah. What's the best way to start the morning? The best way to start the morning is to eat a good breakfast. I know so many people that don't eat breakfast. They have health problems, they're overweight. And I don't mean starting breakfast, you know, eating junk food. You gotta eat something healthy for you. Eat something healthy. Write down the things you need to do today if you have to make a list. Yeah, it helps me a lot before I go to bed to write it to do this. So when I wake up in the morning, I know exactly what I got to do. And I got to feel the body first. You got to take care of the body. I have a friend of mine who's, he had a stroke and he's in the hospital now. He can't barely move. And, you know, he, he didn't have the right diet and he's still a fairly young man. It's very tragic. So feel the body and feed it well. Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure you know, because I could tell you put a lot of hours on your show. Oh yeah. It's, it's quite a process, but it's definitely worth it. Yeah, it's enjoyable. Yeah, sure is. If you could travel back in time, what would decade you want to live in? There's so many decades I would love to live in. There's so many centuries I'd love to live in. It's really hard to pick one, but if I had to pick one, I'd probably say the early 1960s. Sixties? That's pretty cool. Yeah, that's when Muhammad Ali came on the scene and that's when the Beatles came on the scene. To me, that's, I think we'll never see the likes of the Beatles or Muhammad Ali again. Yeah. So one of a kind, they always say. Yeah, but I, believe me, Peter, I'd love to live, I could go back to ancient Rome and be fascinated. Of course, your life expectancy wasn't very long. Oh yeah. Cause Sanitary wasn't up there and the advancement technologies got in the way. Yeah. Everything's like, ugh. I would love to live the life of a Plains Indian in 1840. I think that would be fascinating. It's freedom that people can barely conceive of today. And what a great, got the kids, Indian children back in those days, man, talk about having a great childhood. Yeah, absolutely. And that is all we have for this episode. It was great having you on Oliver talking about your works. You're welcome. And until next time, stay tuned for more.
Fresh "Boxing" from The Dan Bongino Show
"A door will open the door. And they believe pulling a lever that says fire will open a door even though it doesn't say door, it says fire alarm. So we're going to do a demo. Jim, describe to the audience, please, by the way, I'm standing and standing. He is standing. Am I going to line back? Yeah. Right. About to somebody, tackle it looks like. Yeah, maybe like a double leg takedown stance or just trying Thank you. OK. Now, what am I doing now? Pushing his hands forward and forward. Yeah. Forward. So like there. So just so you can visualize, folks, I mean, like a wrestling kind of linebacker stance, right leg in front of the left. OK, left is back like I'm shooting a double. My hips, Jim, are my hips and my arms like my arms around my hips or some right now, like a boxing stance. No, not like a boxing stance at all. OK, now, Jim, when you're pushing on a door like a crash bar. Now, liberals, crash a bar is the bar that you push that opens it. I know you're too freaking stupid, but if I had a diagram, I'd show you. But, Jim, that's about what level the crash bar on a door. That's going to be right about your waist level. So it's not at your No, head? it's not. OK, so my arms are where? They're down around your waist level. OK, Simulating a push, right? Moving forward. Is it a slower or rapid pace? It is a relatively slow, measured pace. OK, measured pace. OK, so this is a, so liberals, Jim is describing for you what, I'm actually doing this right, Jim can confirm, I'm not making this up. When we go to full stream, you'll understand. It's on the podcast if you want to see the demo. So liberals, when you want to open a door that has a crash bar that says exit, this is the station. Jim, one more time. It's described forward. It's kind of when you take the elbows back and you move the hands forward to the crash bar. Yeah, thank you. OK, OK, so now we have that. So Jim, what am I doing now? Giving me a thumbs up sign. Two thumbs up. Yes. Two thumbs up. So liberals, when you're opening a door with a crash bar. Yes. This two thumbs up means yes, because I know the English language is hard, so we're doing visuals here. Yes to this You got it? Jim, one more time. I'm doing what? Moving the arms forward from the waist position towards the crash bar. OK, OK, like a double leg takedown on the door, but just gently in a slower motion. You don't need to be explosive. OK, now let's watch them do this liberals because were confused, especially alleged high school principal Jamal Bowman. Jim, this is going to a be little bit tougher to describe, but I'll leave this up to you. Is it? I'm doing this kind of. How would you describe this? I would describe that as kind of a pulling down motion. A pulling down, almost like a cat's claw, like a pawing you. Exactly. But I've got I've got my fingers hooked. Right, Jim? Like I'm grabbing something? Correct. And is it a rapid or like a slow controlled motion? No, it is a slow controlled motion. OK, so it looks like the kind of thing you would do if you were trying to set off a fire alarm that said pull down, right? That's correct. Yes, it was very similar. Very similar motion. Now I'm doing. What am I doing doing now? Do it. What am I doing now? Saying no, you're taking your hands and making like, no, that's no good. no Like a gesture, like both hands in a vertical plane, palms down. Yes. Yes. Yes. Like I missed the field goal. So liberals, one last time. OK, one last time. The tutorial, because apparently media people and liberals do not know the difference between opening a door and pulling a fire alarm. Let Jim, let's do this. OK, so we're doing what? You're pushing from the waist towards the crash bar. OK. The thumbs up saying that's OK. That's the way to go. OK. And now I'm saying How would you miss the field goal? Now we missed the field goal because this does not open a door. What am I doing You're here? pulling down with a claw on a fire. OK, Libs, you got it? Jim was just your best friend. Producer Jim just walked you through this whole thing. Pushing the crash bar will open the door. Pulling the fire alarm will not in fact open the door. These people are so stupid. These are really the dumbest people on earth. Thankfully, Donald Trump chimed in. For Donald Trump chimed in on this, he was upset very that liberals can't figure out how to open doors or pull fire alarms because they're so stupid. was so stupid. So he had a couple of things to say this weekend about Jamal Bowman pulling on On the lever. And I thought this was bold of him to come out with a statement so quick, too. He was like, right, Jim? He was like on the ball right away. So if you would, Jim Donald Trump this week, Jamal Bowman pulled the fire alarm. He pulled it worse than Jeffrey Toobin on a Zoom call. You know what I'm talking about? I call it hunking his hedgehog. He was pulling it like nobody's ever pulled it before. But he pulled the fire alarm and low IQ AOC was running for her life. She was fearing for her life. She thought the whole world was on fire. What a terrible thing. He pulled the fire alarm and I got indicted for it. You believe that? They indicted me for he did. You see it in the picture. They should arrest him. They should take his mugshot and it won't be as beautiful as my mugshot. You know, the people are calling it the Mona Lisa mugshot. It's a beautiful mugshot. This is the worst thing on a box of Krispy Kreme. That's pretty bad when you talk about it. When you think about it. That's a big beautiful attack. Jamal Bowman should be facing jail time obstructing an official proceeding. He should face the consequences for what he did a terrible attack on our great country. Donald Trump like right back checkers back checkers. Bill D McCarthy, Jacob Reyes, Louis Jacobson. Is it a joke? That's not that's not. It could be, but it's not. That is the great Sean Farish. He's got his own show on Rumble. If you'd like to follow him. If you're like that wasn't Donald Trump. No, I'm dead serious. It wasn't because it sounds like it does. If Donald Trump had a and cold Sean and him were talking, Sean sounds more like Trump than Donald Trump. But it's funny. And pulling on it like a hedgehog and every time. Jamal Bowman don't open know how a to door. And he brags about it. Here listen to this. I know I got to take a break, but here. He said Ben Siegel, another guy on Twitter, tweets out. Bowman said he didn't realize pulling the alarm would trigger an evacuation. He thought it would open the locked door and exit the building. That isn't open, he said. Democrats, Democrats, as I said. Republicans may not be the solution to all our problems, but the cause of all our problems is most certainly you idiots. I said I'd leave a bunch of time and I just left even less time because I can't stop. 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A highlight from EP141 Cloud Security Coast to Coast: From 2015 to 2023, What's Changed and What's the Same?
"Hi there, welcome to the Cloud Security Podcast by Google. Thanks for joining us today. Your hosts here are myself, Timothy Peacock, the Senior Product Manager for Threat Detection here at Google Cloud, and Anne Hunchuvakian, a reformed analyst and senior staff in Google Cloud's Office of the CISO. You can find and subscribe to this podcast wherever you get your podcasts, as well as at our website, cloud .google .com slash podcast. If you enjoy our content and want it delivered to you piping hot every Monday, please do hit that subscribe button in your podcasting app of choice. You can follow the show, argue with your hosts and the rest of our Cloud Security Podcast listeners on our LinkedIn page. Anton, this is a fun CISO episode that's full of growth lessons, leadership lessons, interesting stories of migrating to cloud and one of the strongest endorsements of cloud as both risk reduction and business velocity improvement I think we've gotten on the show to date. What did you think today? I think so too. I think that we should not lament that the episode did not cover how to improve configurations of your cloud armor or how to run SIEM or any of this. It's a really good episode with a guest who experienced some of the lessons that clients are learning today, but eight years ago. So it's really fascinating that it's like for many companies, his past is the future and that makes his lessons hugely valuable. Hugely valuable and his advice is applicable to both CISOs all the way down to people who want to get started and get promoted in our field. And so maybe with that, let's turn things over to today's guest. With that listeners, I'm delighted to introduce today's guest. Today we're joined by Jeremiah Kung at AppLovin. Jeremiah, thank you so much for joining us today. I'm excited to have you here because we have something in common. We've both had the East Coast to West Coast experience. I started my career in Washington, DC, and I swear to God, the people I worked with at the startup I worked at First Shape, to this day, if I get drinks with them, they rip on me for wearing a suit to my interview with them. So the East Coast to West Coast interview, the whole thing is very real. So what's your take on that distinction aside from costumes for interviews? Yeah, I totally get it. I'm not a big fan of wearing ties either. It feels like a weak pair of hands slowly strangling me all day long. Yeah, for me, it's more of a metaphorical one. I was born a West Coast surfer kind of guy for the longest time, but career wise, especially making the moves, working for bigger banks, which I saw them as East Coast, let's face it, the bigger banks are New York, North Carolina. It's very suit and tie, very more button down, very much more about the controls, the frameworks, the committees, and infosec has to give the go ahead further than it goes to production. West Coast being out here with places like Palo Alto, where innovation is rampant and it's wonderful, you got to move fast. So you live by the speed and the velocity of your releases. And if someone's slowing you down, they're going to keep you from getting to market faster than your competitors. So it's a very different approach to information security. I remember earlier when I started speaking about this about a year ago, you can tell all sorts of funny stories about being at an East Coast company. And you know, all the red tape you have to go through and everyone kind of sighs and kind of agrees with that. But you know, at the end of the day, the West Coast, you have other risks you need to be aware of too, as well. And it's about trying to find that balance and attending to what the risks are. So the fundamentals don't really change, but out here, you have to innovate faster? Innovate faster. And I think really what you need to understand to have is a clarity of the risk, right, to really understand what the risk is. Coming from a big bank, of course, losing data is a huge thing, operational risk, regulatory risk, and there's all of that layers that you need to go through. With the West Coast, you really need to kind of understand, okay, how's this company making money? Where's all our data sitting? And you know, what are all our attack surfaces? So I think this is a basic step for anybody information security is to really understand what the asset inventory is, including intellectual and data assets. But it's not just small company, large company, though, because it sounds like if you're in the West Coast startup, your risk of just dying, the risk of startup going kaput, deep in my heart, I think it's more important than cybersecurity risk. I'm joking about it. But ultimately, I understand if I am a startup guy, the startup going out of business is a higher risk than security issue. Of course, security issues can also drive you out of business. Yeah, I get that. But that's not just what you're talking about, right? There are other issues. Yeah, absolutely. Other issues on that, because operational risk is again, if your competitors beat you, and you lose market share, okay, yeah, regulators are going to come after me or something like that. But it doesn't really matter. I'm out of business. What's the big deal there. But at the same time, if you do get breached, that's going to make you lose market share as well. So you need to kind of figure out what that balance is. Okay, that makes sense. So let's shift gears. This was actually kind of a cool intro. And it introduced the whole concept in my mind. Now I kind of think, hi, are you East Coast CISO or West Coast CISO? Maybe my greeting for the foreseeable. One other thing we wanted to explore, and this may have something to do with this cost dimension is, initially, when cloud computing public cloud showed up, the default stance from any CISOs was kind of slightly negative and, or maybe strongly negative or get this cloud out. I'm not allowing it in my company. So this was probably like a good number of years ago. Now, certainly this changed, and we see a lot of CISOs embracing cloud. But here's the thing. We hypothesize that there are CISOs who are active cloud fans who kind of want cloud because it's better. And admittedly, we have a CISO here, Phil Danables, who is of that type, but he joins Google Cloud because of the belief, presumably. Now, are there other CISOs who think cloud is just superior for security and they're driving cloud adoption as opposed to resisting it? What is your take on this? Yeah, that's a great point. I've seen both sides of the coin. I've talked to people on both sides of the coin on this one, and I'm kind of obviously in the more cloud -centric side, but I'm a little bit more in the middle to the left of that, if that makes any sense. I'm very pro -cloud. I think it deals with, very efficiently, a lot of the old concerns that you would have about security, patching updates and Vone scans and Vone updates and all that other type of stuff, because you can spin these things up so quickly, the fixes and release it out there. It's not, back in the old days, some guy with a CD running around from every server trying to load and update patches and stuff like that. You know, that's such a funny thing to pause on, because maybe this is my youth speaking. I sometimes forget that people had to do that. And I think for a lot of our listeners, it's hard to appreciate that, yeah, really, that's how it used to work. If you had to patch something, it wasn't Terraform Apply, my new version. It was a dude with a CD in a server room somewhere. That's crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And if you were in a freeze period to try to do patches, you had to go through all sorts of updates and things like that to try to get in, and it gets all sorts of approvals. I think the dude with a CD is the least of your problems, is the talking to all the layers for making a change, submitting requests in paper forms, you know, ideal bureaucrats. I think the dude with a CD would be like, dude comes in, sticks a CD, and does the patching. That's fast. No, no, no. But some of that still exists, right? You still need change windows, you still need approval. So maybe here's the question is, how does Cloud, for you as a CISO, change that part of the equation? What's the non -technical changes? Improved. Not changed. Take the pessimistic stuff out. How did Cloud improve this for you? Anton, I think that's known as leading the witness. Okay, fine. Yeah. I feel like you're trying to give me what the answer is there. But I mean, I'm already on that side. It's really the visibility. Because, you know, being at Apple, we're strong partners with Google Cloud and being all in Google Cloud, I can really see where our assets are, I could see trends over time, I could see the logging and the monitoring and all the alerts and the phones all in one spot, which is very nice. But I get it, not every company can be 100 % in the cloud. I would imagine that a bank, you're going to at best be some kind of hybrid approach to that, depending on the size of the bank. And I could see and outsource a lot of the running around changing. I just had this question the other day dealing with some audits. Hey, show me when's the last time you changed and rotated your keys and how often that is? Well, being in Google Cloud, they do that for you. And you guys do a random rotation of that. Whereas AWS does it to make sure the keys are rotated every 365 days, according to NIST and TIP standards. You guys do a random rotation, which it could be two weeks, it could be 365 days, but at some point, those keys will be rotated. So that's kind of the intelligence behind to keep it random, to keep it fresh, to keep it on top. I appreciate that from a security perspective. And I don't have to rely on a team to constantly run, again, running it out and changing keys and this and that, even at a cloud level where you have to, you know, you can just terminal in and do that. This is just handled for you. And as we moved more and more to Kubernetes, more and more to serverless environments, these ways old of needing to do security become less and less impactful. But then again, there's always a new attack surface that has yet to be discovered. New problems are going to come and show and raise their heads from a security perspective. We're just on the way of discovering what those are. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So I want to go back in time a little bit to maybe when cloud was newer for you. I understand you were part of some big migrations back in the day. What did you learn about doing those, quote unquote, right? It was really lucky to be with Capital One 2015, 2016, sometime when they were deciding to be the first big bank to move everything 100 % into the cloud. So famously cloud forward. Yeah, very cloud forward. Yeah. So how did that go? It was a lot of sleepless nights, a lot of work, but it was really interesting. It was great to be part of that team to really learn how cloud can mitigate, how to move quickly, how to combine the teams. I think one of the things that I found to be the right way of doing things was they took a very strong two in the box approach, really kind of a three in the box approach. And what they mean by that is for those teams to move forward, the development team would have one lead that was the business lead and say, hey, this is what the customers want. This is what the industry and market trends are looking at. And then there would be a tech lead say, okay, this is what the teams can develop and how long it's going to take. And then I kind of squeezed my way in there to become that three in the box, the security perspective to listen, okay, this is what the business wants. This is what tech can provide. And here's the risk and the risk we need to mitigate. And to have that conversation was invaluable because you got it from every angle. You didn't just hear what IT said that I can only do so much and why is the business wanting that? You got to hear it from the business exactly what they wanted, how they wanted to do things and why too, and why this was important for the business. That makes a ton of sense. So what were maybe some, for people in a similar boat in the future, how did you get effective at communicating the risk to people? How did you help business understand that? How did you help IT understand that? What was it? The saying that they say, fools talk, cowards stay silent, wise people listen. And that was really kind of key for me on that one was at first listening to the business, understanding their pains, understanding what they were challenged with. This really helped me to assess my risk and also come up with mitigation plans that would work for the business. Again, same approach with IT is understanding, okay, what are their pains? Where are they coming from? And this way I can come up with what the plans should look like with considerations for everybody across the board. Okay, so... Wait, wait, wait. Sorry, Tim. I am kind of curious about it, but I'm nervous that we are kind of reducing all this to effective communication only. Is this... Sorry, this doesn't sound very right. But the point is that effective communication clearly had a huge role, but there are other pillars for success because a huge migration of the first half of bank to the cloud had other tricky elements, right? Yes. So that was another one. What we had was a very strong partnership with our cloud partners at the time. They had been sitting and working with, especially since there were no frameworks, there was no really references. I remember even the regulators at the time were sitting, okay, that's great. You guys are doing that. Can we just sit and listen to see what you guys are doing so we can kind of spread this out with the rest of the banks and standards out there? I think the key partnerships with your vendor, your cloud vendor specifically, was invaluable, providing advice and having that back and forth feeds. I remember working with one particular tool. We said, hey, this encryption standard is not really up to snuff. Could you guys work on that and develop something? And sure enough, I think within two or three dev cycles, they had something that was what we needed. To this day, I find that to be an ideal approach, working with my cloud vendors or just any vendors that I have. I appreciate those who will sit down, listen to me and hear my complaints and do the whole listening and coming up with an approach. I think almost all my security vendors I'm using, as well as the cloud vendors with you guys, have that type of approach. Okay. That does sound like real magic for a lot of more technically minded leaders I've met. So this is solid. This advice is worth the price of podcast alone in my mind. So to sort of progress further, like you mentioned that you learned those lessons quite some time ago and many companies are still learning them even now. And for some of them, cloud is with the future, funny enough. So now that you've went through all this and other lessons, how are you approaching securing cloud given differently the lessons? Like what are you doing better in 2023 regarding securing cloud compared to the original lessons? For me personally, it's a little bit different. Talking to some of my peers who still haven't made that jump, they seem to have that lack of trust of having their data set somewhere not on a server that they're under control over at some point and at their own personalized data center that they have, their own physical security, own the HVAC systems and all other type of stuff. They want to have that data. Okay. That's an approach. It's going to be tough to scale over time. I think one of the things that I found to be very successful here that's helped is reading a lot, a lot of reading, a lot of talking to other peers in the industries and a lot of vendors going to these discussions to stay on top of what the recent threat is and what the other trends are and what the solutions are out there. I think that's key. We're a community and that has to be pushed forward if that makes any sense to continue to talk to folks. I think sitting in your own little silo is not going to work very well. Well, I don't think I know. Yeah. I forget who it was on the show, but they said that security is a team sport. Yeah, absolutely. So I guess on that thread, actually, I want to pull on this a little more. I often joke with CISOs on the show that what they need is not another piece of technology, but rather a family therapist to help their relationships with other teams. What advice would you give to other CISOs, security leaders on first building better relationships with other teams, and two, how to get out of the saying no mentality and into that real collaborative listening mode? Yeah, that saying no mentality. I've talked to some CISOs like that who said, yeah, I'm looking to hire and I need people to join my team because I need them to get out there and say no as much as humanly possible. No, people don't actually say that? Explicitly said that? Oh, wow. Yeah. I just remember I stopped and I looked at him and I said, how are you doing, man? Are you doing okay? Wow. I can imagine his life was pretty miserable. Maybe if you're working on a highly top secret government project where you got to hide the alien bodies, maybe. That's a good example. Yikes. Yeah. I think a family therapist is a great way to do that, to work with their teams, but I think really at the end of the day, it's not that hard. Everyone wants to do a good job when they come to work, hopefully, and everyone wants to get along with their work base. I think the thing is just the key is to be available for them if they have questions. Try to initiate those conversations and also learn when to back off. Everyone's busy. They have a lot of their own success metrics they have to shoot for, so if you can be part of that formula, great on a day -to -day basis, but if they're a little too busy for you to come back at a better time, pizza and beer is always a good way to go as well, but I think it's just trying to be as value -add as possible at all times and be understanding that everyone's trying to get their jobs done as well. I think that's key. That's good advice not just for security leaders, but for PMs as well. One of my favorite pieces of advice for PMs I ever heard was framed as bring the donuts, and I think security is kind of this way too. With PMs, nobody invited you, and they can get along just fine without you for the most part, so you've got to really understand where they're coming from and what value you're bringing to the equation if you want people to work with you constructively. Yeah, it's knowing your role. Security can be a value -add and can be positive for the business, but a majority of the time we're kind of a cost to that business, a necessary cost and maybe, hopefully, a helpful business benefiting cost, but at a cost, nonetheless, people aren't usually going to go to the company for how secure it is, especially on the West Coast. It's about how much money or how handy their product is first. Security is kind of a second thought, but we can definitely work together on that. I have heard some pretty inspiring stories on this show and in my professional life of how security helps teams move faster by taking, say, risk out of the equation or automating away some risk, and so I think maybe in cloud, due to its nature, there's unique opportunities for security teams to be helpful there. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Usually, if you're already moving into the cloud, you're kind of taking a fresh start, and that's where you can really do the security by design. I get it. If you're on mainframes and you've been around for 30 years and now you're the new security person, it's really to go back and difficult to do security by design from the start, right? You're kind of retroactively trying to find fits here or there. But starting fresh into the cloud, it's like, okay, we could do this by design. AppLovin's been great about kind of doing that with protecting their data by saying, hey, I don't need a lot of sensitive data. We're going to try to use our own attribution formats and other types of formulas to grow our customers' business without taking on a lot of that sensitive information. So that helps reduce the risk, again, secure by design. So this is good, especially excellent. Okay, Tim, you can make fun of me for saying excellent, but this is excellent. However, excellence hasn't spread uniformly, right? And you do see people who are still in the saying no mentality. And regarding architecture, we do see a lot of people still stuck essentially in the 90s regarding architecture. They want to lift and shift, or they're even debating whether this new cloud thing is for them. So given your experience, what's your best advice for the leaders of these organizations where either the CISO is blocking cloud or maybe even CIO doesn't want it? So basically, they are not getting any of the benefits. And when they start doing cloud, they do it in a very on -premise way, the lift and shift way. Yeah, that's a tough one, because you're really trying to tell somebody to change their entire point of view. Yes, that's exactly right. Yeah, you need to have that aha moment, travel to Damascus moment for them. And I don't think I could give them individual advice to have that aha moment other than travel the world, talk to folks and, you know, experience and see what else is out there. I know for AppLovin, when we jumped over 100 % into the cloud, our business just naturally spiked because of the efficiencies, how quickly automating compute usage was with that intelligence to go up and down for what our demands were. That's amazing. And, you know, again, that's a strong partnership with Google on that, having just an incredible team that really kind of jumped to everything that we needed, which was fantastic. Not easy to find in the industries all over the world. So that was really helpful. But I think they need to talk to people who have those success stories and just to see what it is. I think at the end of the day, if those folks would talk to the business more and to see what the business needs, they'll kind of start to see, yeah, that it makes sense. That's where we need to kind of move towards. But that has to be that personality of I got to get out of my silo. I got to talk to people out of my comfort zone, because you may not be a business person. You could be a genius infosec person. But if you don't get the business and have that background, it's going to be difficult to travel far. Yeah, that's for sure, Drew. It reminds me of that saying, if you want to go fast, go alone, if you want to go far, go together. You really can't go far in security unless you can bring other people on board. And that's one of the things we've talked about on another show, I think, a CISO episode, talking about the challenge of developing people who've excelled for their technical skills as they rise in their career to then excel on non -technical skills. What advice do you have for those people to make that leap from I'm great because I can understand X .509 to I'm great because I can convince the person down the hall that our interests actually are aligned? Yeah, that's a great point. So even on my own team right now, I have people who are very smart, very technically have done some great things, and they want to get to that next level. So for me, to that level, to try to help coach them along those lines, I recommend understanding all the different domains and then having a very strong relationship with the business and spend time with them. I think peer mentorships and things like that to do exchange programs within the company are also very important to understand how the business works and just spending time with them. I think that's, I guess, it's almost like what a social CISO type of thing. It's just very social, and it's really about getting outside of your shell and understanding everyone else's pains and what their goals are to win for their game. That's really kind of at the end of the day, yes, technical, that's good. You need that, absolutely. But it's all about people, processes, and tools. It's a three -legged chair, right? So people are so key, and I think I find a lot of the really, really smart infosec folks tend to focus on the tools, and everyone ignores processes, right? No one wants to document anything, but that's also very important too. So those are the kind of key aspects. But this sounds like hard work. It can be, but it's really depending on your personality types. But it's really not too hard. There's a lot of great classes out there to kind of coach yourself through, and just the ways of thinking about stuff, which is good. I read this great book called Superforecasting, which was, Phil Tetlock wrote this, and it was really about a way of how to think of things differently. You don't have to be highly educated. There's these experiments that are to use folks to become, quote, unquote, superforecasters. Some of the best performers, one of them was a housewife who just had a high school education, but because once she learned how to use the little levers and stuff to do the math on this, it became about how did she see things and how she thought about things. And it was about, okay, most people would see an event and automatically change their opinion about something broadly. For her, it was about, okay, that changes my opinion a little bit towards this direction. And then she would gather more and more data, and each time it would move the dial to the left or to the right. And eventually, she was able to call out, yeah, in six months, this is going to happen. And she was right. I think it was close to 87 % of the time. People like that had that kind of approach is really helpful. And I think, again, that kind of breaks down from what we were talking about today is about seeing the trends and kind of seeing the forest of the trees and then looking at every piece of information. And they'll just stick to one piece of information, which might be legitimate, but have that kind of shade your whole approach. You got to see all sorts of factors to kind of come in and see at the end of the day. And I think if you do that, you're going to see that cloud's going to be, for most cases, not all. Again, if you're hiding UFO bodies, okay, maybe not. We'll see that it's an advantage. Well, Jeremiah, I hate to do this on such a note, but I have to ask you our traditional closing questions. Sure. First, do you have a tip to help people improve their security when migrating to cloud? And two, aside from super forecasting, which sounds great, do you have recommended reading for our listeners? Yes. Super forecasting was a great one. I read another great one recently called American generalship. I'm just about finishing it up right now. It's pretty good. It's ideal of how to become a stronger leader and a stronger follower at the same time too. This kind of helps you coach of, okay, this is how I can mentor somebody. And this is also how to be a good mentee at the end of the day. It also has a lot of really great military stories in the background on that too. So fun stuff there if you're a fan of the military. And I'm sorry, what was the other question? One tip, one easy to follow tip for people. Yeah. I'd say try to make a new friend inside the business. At least once a month, have these one -on -ones and have a cup of coffee. I think it goes a long way. I remember getting on an airplane ride home from one of these other team events, talking to sat down two folks that I don't normally work with and got to spend five hours instead of watching a stupid movie, sitting there and talking about their business and what they're seeing, talks of AI and how they're using co -pilot and chat GPT and all that other type of stuff. It was really fascinating to hear their point of view of what they saw from a line of business that I didn't normally do a lot of work in. That's a fascinating answer and fits with the theme of the episode, which I think might be listeners, go make some new friends. So with that, Jeremiah, thank you so much for joining us today. Thanks guys. Really appreciate it. And now we are at time. Thank you very much for listening and of course for subscribing. You can find this podcast at Google Podcasts, Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever else you get your podcasts. 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"This is Doug Green and I'm the publisher of Telecom Reseller and I'm very pleased to have with us today Rob McDougall who is the CEO of Upstream Works. Rob, thank you for joining us today. Hey, great to be here, Doug. Good to talk with you again. Well, this is really exciting. I've been enjoying talking with you just before we started our podcast about what's going on in the AR market. And you know, what's exciting to me is we've been doing a series of podcasts the last few weeks where folks have been coming forward and talking about how they've made AI a practical tool for a company or for an organization or for maybe an entire industry. So we're going to be talking about an exciting story today about how Upstream Works has changed United Airlines and also about the idea of operationalizing AI. So we're going to be talking about those topics in a second, but for people that don't know Rob Upstream Works well or maybe know a little bit about you guys, what is Upstream Works? Upstream Works is a software application company. We focus on the agent experience and we provide an agent desktop application that's designed to run either on premise or in cloud so that your infrastructure doesn't matter. Our goal is to make sure that your agents have a consistent interface that they can work with across platforms, across applications, across channels. And these days we've been using the term EX. So what you're doing, it feeds right into that employee experience. Absolutely. We call it AX because we're focused on agents, but that's what it's all about. A happy agent is going to give a better service. We believe that that smile on the agent's face comes across the phone. It's a tough job. It's a tough market. You know, you can't find enough people to do that job today, so you want to keep those employees happy and they're the face of your company to the world. So with that in mind, you have actually taken AI and you're doing something called operationalizing AI. Sorry, that didn't come out so smoothly. So what is operationalizing AI? First, it's a tough word to say. I will give you that. Look at it this way. If I was to ask you, Doug, to go to my office, go to my computer, log in and add yourself into my CRM system or billing system, you wouldn't know what you had to do. You understand my ask, but you don't know where my office is. You don't know how to get into my computer. You don't know what my CRM or HR systems are. You don't know how they work. AI is the same thing. Even with the new generative AI model, is it really good at understanding? I know what the guy's asking, but I don't know how to do it. Operationalizing AI means doing that connectivity between what the AI can do and making it do something actually for your business. So integrating it into your backend systems, providing an interface that an agent can use to view things easily, using it to provide other business value like routing or translations, but making it actually work properly in your complex in silo the contact center. So this is really interesting because what you're telling me is it simplifies things. Well, tremendously. What we saw back in the early days of chat and email is a lot of people would put in chat and email, but they were discreet channels. They didn't integrate with the contact center. It was a bad experience for customers. You had to have specialized agents who got different training because the desktop interfaces were different. The tools were different. Omnichannel has now taken us into a realm where an agent can deal with sort of one set of tools across the different channels, but then you start throwing AI into the mix and it comes up in a different place. So you put in AI and it's got its own interface. So I need special agents to do something over here, or it doesn't actually integrate with the other tools that I have in the contact center. So I've got to make all that stuff work together. And this is what Upstreamworks has been doing for 23 years is being the spider in the middle of the web and taking the applications that are important for your business and help you make those work for the business and for the agents to make their life easier. So it's interesting that you're using a new thing to basically follow your brand story, which has what you're describing sounds like what Upstream is all about. Absolutely. We focus on enterprise contact centers. We don't go for the small contact center. And the reason we focus there is because large enterprises, when they deal with products, what they want is something that's shrink wrapped in out of the box, like Word, and they just put in the disk and it all works, but it's got to work exactly the way they work. And that doesn't exist. So what we have always done is we built a product that is designed to provide all the features out of the box, but have all the configurability and integratability such that I can integrate it into the workflows that the company has and make those work properly in an enterprise environment. And AI is no different. You could look at a manufacturer who's going to say, oh, we'll put in our product and here's our AI. And the company says, well, that's nice, but we use this other AI. That's where Upstream works comes in. And they may use Amazon AI for translations, and they may use Google AI to search their knowledge base, and they use Watson to look up their medical information. They may have different AI applications. Our goal is to make them all work and make it seamless to the agent. So the agent doesn't know there's different AIs happening. It's just there's stuff that shows up and stuff happens. And I'd love to hear a little bit about your product line and offerings right now, but maybe you could tell me that in the context of where you're offering this operationalizing AI service. Well, it comes as an actual part of our product, right? It's right there. It's right there. So one of the components is a desktop component called Virtual Agent Portal. And we spent a lot of time kind of working through what to name this, because we didn't want people to start thinking we're providing AI to them, because we're not an AI provider. But what Virtual Agent Portal allows you to do, it's a kind of an open placeholder, so that if I need to interact between an agent and an AI on the desktop, it can go into Virtual Agent Portal. And I can do things like I can try Amazon, or I could switch it out for Google, because maybe I get a better price. The agent doesn't see the difference. I don't need to retrain them. I'm using a certain AI, and I put in a different training model, and I want to do some A -B testing to see which one's giving me better results. The agent won't see the difference. Virtual Agent Portal handles all that in the background and feeds the information back to management to say, okay, yeah, the new changes are working, so we're going to now use that AI. But it's all about making it transparent to the agent, so they're focused on the customer and my understanding is that with all this, you guys have now developed and are operating with a very big customer. Yeah, somebody we've been having a lot of fun with over the summer is United Airlines. So they're a big Cisco shop. They've got Cisco UCCE. They've got Cisco Webex. And they had this concept that they called Agent on Demand. And what they wanted to be able to do was to provide airline -side services to customers remotely. And with Webex and the Cisco Contact Center product, those things didn't work together. So Cisco brought in Upstream Works, and so we're kind of the glue between all this. So now what happens at United Airlines is, and if you're traveling and you're at United, look around because you're going to see QR codes all over the place. You can shoot the QR code with your phone, and you will get hooked up with a live video call with the United Gate agent. So it's for doing airline -side things. So can't buy my baggage. I got to go change my flight. I want to change my seat. You know, all the stuff that you could go up to the gate to do, there's a big lineup, or you're in the United Club having a drink and you want to do this, you can now do this on your phone remotely. From a customer experience point of view, it's an awesome thing. But what's even better about it is think about gate agents. These are the people who are standing at the gate and they're doing stuff and then you board your flight and then they go back in the back room and they sit around until their next flight. Well, now what they do is they go back in the back room and United has little, I'll call them informal contact centers in every airport. Gate agents leave their post, they go back and they get on the phone and they start dealing with other customers from all over the world. So from United's point of view, they're now getting much better utilization of their staff and they're assisting people at any airport where there's United Airlines. And from the customer's point of view, they just know that, hey, I want to change my seat and I can do it on my phone and talk to a person to do it. So it's a win for the customers and it's an absolute win for United as well because now, you know, I don't have to line up to do this stuff and I can better utilize my agents. It just occurred to me that it's liberating for both sides of that equation. In other words, as you were mentioning from the customer point of view, now I don't have to stand even, you know, it was used to be a problem. I have to find the right line to stand in. That is, you know, we've all had that experience. I can just click on one of these wherever I am in the airport and get help. Yeah, absolutely. You hit the QR code and it's going to ask for your flight number. So you put your flight number in and your passenger name, and then you're going to get to the right person to talk about the right stuff. It doesn't matter what line you're going to get in because it's skills routed to the right person. Wow. And that also means that remote, to your point, remote agents, whether they're at an informal contact center, a little mini one in the back office there behind the gate, or maybe just as in a more, it may be out of a home even, right there, there is help now, you know, late at night, maybe there's no one at the little airport in a smaller center, which United does fly in and out of, maybe you're just talking to someone somewhere else. That smaller center, you could talk to an agent at home, but you could also be talking to an agent who's on shift at O 'Hare in between flights. Right. So that's really, that really is an amazing step forward. And it really, it leverages all the technologies already in place. Yeah. And then, and then they went further because they said, you know what we, cause you can, you can escalate between voice video and chat on the application. You don't have to do video call. You can also just chat with the agent as well. But they've also got translations. So they're using, I believe it's Amazon for doing, there's Google, sorry, they're using Google to do translations, but now I can go on, I can click that QR code, say I'm Spanish. I can type in in Spanish, what the agent sees is coming up in English and they answer in English and the person gets it back in Spanish. And this is a great use of generative AI because that's, I will say a year ago, when you showed translations in a demo, it was anyone spoke the language went, yeah, that doesn't really work. The language was stilted generative AI has, has changed the game on translations because generative AI can translate really well. So that's a very excellent use case for it. This is very exciting because it sort of opens up so many doors that, you know, the, the agent might be in Berlin, the, the, the other, the passenger might be in Mexico city and they're able to talk to each other in their own languages. Yep. And you can do it across industry as well. Think about, you know, you as a person, you go to a drug store and you need to consult with a doctor and they've got a nurse practitioner there who can triage. And then click a QR code and get a video conference going with a doctor who may be at a central site. Now I'm sitting, having a conversation with a medical professional via video that's been queued up. And, you know, on the doctor's side, he's between patients, he logs onto the system and he just starts taking some calls and he can deal with patients. And now I don't have to have doctors everywhere. I can centralize them and I put nurse practitioners around. So there's a lot of healthcare uses for the same type of application. Hey Rob, let's stay with that a second, but in both cases, because, um, do you, do you, I'm going to use maybe the wrong term, but is there a continuity on each case? In other words, let's say, um, I opened up a conversation as a United customer or as a, as a patient and it's concluded, but now I have the same problem maybe four hours later. Will the next person who helps me know about my last conversation? Well, we captured the interaction history of every interaction that happens. So the answer, the quick answer is yes. Um, as a, as an agent or a doctor or a gate agent, uh, you can go back and review the previous recording, um, or the transcript of what's going on, or again, another great use of generative AI. You could also get a summary delivered back to you of what had gone on on that previous call, but that whole contact history is tracked. So every single time Doug Green contacts, they're going to be able to say Doug Green always contacts us and says, we screwed his seat up. He does this every single flight. So maybe he's just pulling our leg. So, you know, it works both ways. And that's really amazing because that's the type of information, you know, old school that, you know, there would be someone around who knew some other people and would say, yeah, look at Doug. And this is, he does that all the time. Here's how to handle it. Now we're able to do this on a, on a, and that must make agent life or the doctor life, whoever's receiving the contact a little bit easier, right? They've, they've got that contextual and historical information. Yeah. We've always believed, I was talking about the elephant never forgets. And I've always believed that as a person contacting a business, there are certain things that I know the business should know those things as well. Most importantly, I know that I called last Thursday about the same thing. The business should know that the agent who picks up my call, this is, you know, this is video or just a voice call, but the agent should know that as well. And that's the important part of interaction history. So regardless of the channel you come in on, the agent has access to that information and they can see what that context is. Cause that's all important to them providing you good service. Rob, you know, I know it's early days and, and, but you know, this was an historic summer for travel. So United you've already flown, if you will, through a challenging time. What's the reaction, what's United telling you and what are customers saying what's happening? Uh, United loves it. Um, all of the airlines are aware of it and are looking and, and want to understand how they've done it. Um, we're getting a lot of inbound, uh, requests coming in from basically all the major airline carriers from very senior people. Um, I think over the Labor Day weekend, it was something like, I don't know, 2 .3 or 2 .8 million passengers went through Chicago O 'Hare airport, uh, and NBC news and Chicago did a section on United and all the travelers and right in the middle of it is, and they have this agent on demand application and they show here's a phone talking to an agent. That's the upstream application right there, which was very cool. So Rob, you know, uh, with this, this, uh, work you're doing with United, I understand they turned to you because they were able to find you as a reliable source for this. So original the agent on demand idea, uh, came from United. Um, and they, they did a proof of concept to say, okay, it kind of works, but it wasn't robust enough for sort of the enterprise you will. Um, and they turned to Cisco who was sort of their trusted communications provider and said, can you do this? And Cisco looked into it and they came back and said, no, we can't get all the bits and pieces, but we can't make them work together. And then somebody inside Cisco who knew upstream, wasn't talk to upstream. And so Cisco came to us and we said, yeah, of course we can do that. So it went back to United said, okay, we have a solution. Um, and we put that into United and they'd been extremely happy with the stability and how well it works. So everything's great. And since then it's, I don't, I mean, maybe it's early to say this, it sounds like it's on its way to becoming an industry standard. Uh, we're getting a ton of inbound interest. People are coming up and saying, you know, we, we, we've heard about the agent on demand. We want to know how it works and how you do it. And, and now we find out that upstream works is kind of the key enabler here. So, yeah, we're getting a lot of inbound demand on it, which is great. Well, uh, I wanted to, uh, conclude our podcast with just about how we can get a hold of products from upstream works. I understand that you're a channel oriented company. So do you have a channel pro program? We have a channel program. Uh, we do not sell directly at all. Uh, we have distribution channels, uh, throughout, uh, Canada, the U S and Europe. Um, we're available, um, on the Amazon platform, we're available on the Cisco platforms. Um, and we are expanding our market. So if there's, you know, if you're one of our resellers, uh, you know, you, you can, you can get at this. Um, if you're new to us and you want to talk with us, you've got some opportunities you want to discuss. Uh, we do have a channel program. We're really easy to deal with. Um, basically we can sign you up and then we'll do all the heavy lifting and until such time as you want to take on as much of the sales training and implementation training as you want to based on your business needs. Sounds like a great way for a channel partner right now or an MSP to win with AI. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well, this is an exciting, ongoing story, Rob. I really hope that we get to do an additional podcast, maybe just about the United application, if you will, or, or that the, what you're doing there and in healthcare and maybe some other industries, learn some more news and do some stuff in the future. But for now, I want to thank you for joining us. Where can we learn more about upstream works? www .upstreamworks .com. Well, I hope everyone takes a visit and takes a second look, but for now, thanks very much for joining me today. Thank you, Doug. It's been really fun.
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A highlight from Episode 124 - Oct. 1st, 2023 - Bringin In The Fall
"Yes indeed, another episode of On The Record Podcast. I am your host with the most DJing tents. I may sound like I'm under the weather, I am not. It's just the sports blues that's been going on right now. My beloved Jets, they fought hard. They did. At one point it was 17 to two. Wow. But they lost by three, 23 -20. I saw some good things. I'm seeing the elevation of Zach Wilson in front of my eyes. When he has time to think and do what he needs to do. Maybe Aaron Rodgers being there tonight was a boost. We don't know. We shall find out as the weeks progress. They are one in three right now. It is a long season. I saw the Jags make it to the playoffs, starting off terrible and ending it off hot. A lot can happen. I think it's good signs when your best player who unfortunately got hurt the first game is still there, even if he's in a VIP box, still there looking and offering more support. And I'm sure he'll offer him words of encouragement and tell him this is part of the process. Exactly. Exactly. That voice you hear is I am Walt. What's up, Walt? Life, man. Yeah. Life is going to. It's the peaks and valleys and but, you know, I'm pretty good for the most part. You know, I got some got some lows, but I'm working through them and I don't want to be too high at times, but I don't want to be too low. But when you are low and stuff like that, you just got to realize it's not forever. Even if even if it feels like it's forever, even if it feels like you mind to get past all the little things that happen throughout your days and stuff like that, or you try to make sense of things that don't make sense. So, yeah, man. Yeah, the valleys. Yeah. Let's get real for a second. IDG, as you know. Of course. Up and down, up and down. Yeah. Trying to get this, I strike the right hot again. This month was September was a very iffy month, a very iffy month. OK. Business wise, I got you. Even this past weekend, yeah, I have been locked in. And unfortunately, the weather just derailed my whole entire weekend plans and just just derailed everything for people out there. If you guys don't know, we're located in the tri -state area of America in New York. And it was a torrential downpour. It's horrible. I've never seen something like that. And New York City got hit hard. Actually, that's why. I've seen something like that before, but it wasn't too long ago. Yeah, but a year or two ago. No, I know. Usually when it rains heavy like that, flooding is inevitable, especially out here in Rockland, as the more they cut down the trees to build these houses, these luxury apartments, et cetera, et cetera, these storefronts, they're changing the terrain, and there's more flooding every time. Bro, the city was looking like Miami, bro. And during the hurricane, it was bad. It was bad. And this wasn't a hurricane, this was a tropical storm. So you had that going on, and I had one of my gigs supposed to have been out there, and they were like, look, our area is flooded. People can't come outside. I'm like, understandable. And the worst thing about it, which I hate, especially for the self -employed people and the people who run their own businesses, I tell myself going now, going forward, I have a ticket deposit. I usually say, nah, it's OK, because I always get it. But now when your back's kind of to the corner a little bit, you're trying to shimmy out of that little corner. So going forward, deposits are a must. Like I said, I do not usually take them, because I'd rather get it all. Because if my whole thing is on my end, in case something happens, I don't want to be held responsible. Fair. That's why I'd rather just get it all, walk through the door. Here you go. At the end of the night, here you go. Boom, bam, thank you, ma 'am. But it so goes, man. It so goes. How have you been? Yo. Man, yo. I've been like, honestly, when it comes to the fall, it's a period where I get a bit moody. I get a bit reserved. I'm more isolated and stuff like that. This is just due to stuff that happened in my early 20s with depression and things like that. And every fall since has just been like moody, isolation, and stuff like that. Now I'm just trying to be in a situation where I find things to keep me motivated, whether it's like watching one of my good friends. He'll be sending me YouTubes of religious stuff and stuff like that. I'm not the most religious person, but some of those things that are said in those videos, I can apply to my life. And then there are the things where we talk about business and things like that, things I don't understand. And I just try to watch videos and try to to listen learn, listen to understand. Now I'm going to get to a point where I'm just going to start writing things down just to keep my mind going. And yeah, man, that stuff I have going on, then what I told you earlier this week I had going on, that was a lot of BS, bro. I can't make sense of that. I can't make sense of that. I'm not trying to dismiss it off as weird behavior, but it feels like it and stuff like that. In a way, because my thing is just like if I'm cool with you and I've always treated you good and stuff like that, I've never called you out your name, said anything disrespectful to you and stuff like that. If you have an issue with me, I would like to know that and stuff like that. If I've done something wrong and I know it was wrong and stuff like that and I reach out and I apologize and I get nothing back, I'll leave it alone. I'll leave it alone at this point. But when I know there was something I did wrong and stuff like that, it's just like, yo, I'm going to be like, yo, and I addressed it, I was just like so -and -so person, what you did was foul. I'm not going to badmouth you, disrespect you and stuff like that. But if I ever see you, just keep it pushing.
A highlight from 3 Points with Chris Mannix - Dame is finally traded
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One Barnes & Noble Store Allegedly Hid Mark Levin's Book
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A highlight from A Dame Trade Deep Dive With Ben Thompson, Plus Seth Meyers and Million-Dollar Picks
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We did the big chill. It was very, very exciting. I have Kyle Brandt coming on Monday's podcast. I'm just gonna tell you the movie now because it is gonna be the best moment of your weekend if you spent two hours watching this classic. We're doing Toy Soldiers. It really brings everything possible to the table. So if you wanna watch it ahead of time, there it is. That podcast is going up Monday night. If you wanna hear stuff about the debate, we have Tara Paul and Mary's podcast, Somebody's Gotta Win. That reacted to it as well as the press box with Brian Curtis and David Shoemaker. So there you go. Our debate coverage has been on point. Also, higher learning. Van and Rachel had Larry Elder on this weekend. It made a lot of noise, man. That podcast is great. I hope you check that out as well. Hope you're checking out theringer .com. And on this podcast, gonna talk about the dame trade at the top. We're gonna bring in Ben Thompson from the Techery newsletter, which he's been on this podcast I think four weeks ago. And he's a huge Bucks fan. He's gonna give the Bucks fan side of things. We're gonna do million dollar picks. And then old friend Seth Meyers talking about a whole bunch of stuff. So really good podcast. It's all next. First, our friends from Pro Jam. What's up? All right, I'm taping this on Thursday afternoon. Normally when there's a big MBA trade, I always do the emergency trade reaction right after the podcast. But we just put up a podcast on Tuesday. So I decided to play it a little differently this time. I wanted a little distance, I wanted to listen to stuff, read stuff, and try to form some big picture opinions coming out of this. So I have four smaller ones, then one big one. First one, I thought Portland did an incredible job with this trade. I really liked this trade, especially everyone was trying to bully them in June and July about, oh, you got to take Miami's offer. You just got to. It's where he wants to go. It's the only offer you're going to get. And guess what? They waited. They played it perfectly. They stared Miami down, and they got a much better deal. First of all, they get the Drew Holiday piece that they can flip into a bunch out of their stuff, which we'll talk about in one second. I love the DeAndre Ayton gamble. As you know, on this podcast, I am a big DeAndre Ayton guy. Not in the sense of I'm the biggest fan of his in the world, but I'm a fan of the asset. I just think I love the valued assets, no matter what it is. Whatever market we're talking about, DeAndre Ayton, 18 and 10 for his career, 60 % field goals percentage, 25 years old. He's played in 45 playoff games. He played four rounds in the 2021 finals. Last year, he got his ass kicked by Jokic. Oh, sorry. Like, that never happens. And Phoenix just sold on him, which I can't wait to talk about. But just from a Portland standpoint, they not only get Ayton in whatever they get for holiday, they get the 29 first, they get the two swaps, and they dump Nurkic. Nurkic hasn't had a healthy start to finish all the way through the playoffs here since 2018, which I'm positive was a long time ago. He's basically 12 and 8. He's, you know, a 50 % shooter. I made a list of the top 30 centers. I encourage you to do this at home, because what's more fun than making lists of NBA centers? I can't imagine anything. I made a list of who I thought were the best assets of the center position for talent, contract, everything. He was 29th on my list. The only person I had ahead of him who's technically a starter, unless you start talking about the Detroit or Charlotte guys, was Zubats on the Clippers. I thought he was the 29th best center asset in the league. And Phoenix, you know, just quickly to go to them, they're trying to win this year. They got worse. They turned Ayton's money into Nurkic and Grayson Allen and Nasir Little. Grayson Allen, we already know with him, he can't play in playoff series. We saw him 22. We saw it last year. I heard and read in some places like that, I got two rotation players. Did they? Is Nurkic a playoff rotation player? Is Grayson Allen a playoff rotation player? Because I'm positive he's not. So for the same money that they were spending on Ayton, they got three guys that I don't think are going to help them. In 25, the money comes down a little bit to 23 million just for Nurkic and Little, which is 7 million less than Ayton. And then in 26, that money goes up to 25 .5. But I don't understand what Phoenix was doing. Why not wait to see if Ayton clicks with Vogel? Vogel has such a good history with centers. He rejuvenated Dwight Howard on the 2020 Lakers. He basically created Roy Hibbert's career in 2013 with the defense verticality thing. I thought he was going to do a good job with Ayton. I'm stunned that they gave up on him. I'm almost waiting for one of those, now they tell us stories when, you know, that's where Brian Curtis calls them, where like a week after something happens, there's this kind of notebook dump where it's like, here's seven terrible DeAndre Ayton stories. So maybe that'll happen. But for Phoenix just to be like, cool, we locked this down, man. We got Nurkic. You're trying to win the title. You have KD and Booker and Beal. And like, what are you guys doing? Anyway, from Portland's standpoint, I love the Ayton thing. I love that they didn't get bullied. And I know they're going to turn Drew Holliday into something. So this to me was at least an A minus for them, for where they were two months ago, where Dave's like, I want to go to Miami. That's it. And if you don't trade me there, that's kind of fucked up. And they made this work as it got reported that, uh, I think in the athletic, that he expanded his list to Brooklyn and to Milwaukee in the last two weeks. And that's what Portland was waiting on. You know, they were banking on the fact that he's a competitive dude. He's one of the best 75 pairs ever. He wanted a situation settled. So, you know, you wait, you wait, you wait, they expand the list and then you go. Uh, there's a Drew Holliday piece to this. That's awesome. He becomes a contender prize. I wouldn't call this a Drew Holliday sweepstakes. I reserved sweepstakes for the superstars, but it's a mini sweepstakes. This is somebody that could have a huge impact on the playoff race. You know, not only the usual suspects, everybody's talking about Boston, ironically, Miami is a really good fit for him. And in some ways, um, I'm a little more scared of them with Miami than Dame in some ways, especially at a much cheaper contract with giving up less and keeping some of their assets. Philly, if they could pull it off, they have to be in there in Golden State, Minnesota. I think I have to mention Sacramento, I think is a team that if they could figure out how to get Drew without giving up their core, which is basically Keegan Murray and Sabonis and Fox, like that's, you know, could Davion Mitchell be in that trade with some, with a salary and some picks, who knows. The team that I love for Drew Holliday is OKC. I have OKC, you know, I started doing my MBA research for the over -under spot and I haven't landed on a number for them yet, but to me, they feel like a high forties team with Chet and with the growth of their young guys. And if you just like, let's say they traded Lou Dort and a bunch of their picks, maybe two firsts and two of their lesser picks or three firsts and a second, whatever it is. And they just say, fuck it. And they get Drew and you put him with Giddy and SGA and Jalen fucking awesome Williams and Chet Holmgren and all these other dudes they have, that might be a top three team in the West. I mean, that, that's starting to give me some early 2010s OKC vibes. So where he goes is going to be important. I just feel like there was so much Drew Holliday slander the last couple of days. You know, he's one of my favorite players. Even Haralabob, who was the chairman of the board of the Drew Holliday fan club for years and would have the benefit dinners there and, you know, just did a lot of yeoman's work on that front. And even he was like, yeah, yeah, Dame's better than Drew. That trade makes sense for Milwaukee. I was hurt, Haralabob. I was 100 % hurt by that. But you know, Drew got his ass kicked by Jimmy Butler in the playoffs last year. I get it. It happens. Jimmy was unbelievable. I feel like he would have kicked anybody's ass. By the way, why is Drew Holliday guarding Jimmy Butler? That speaks more to some of the issues with Milwaukee. He was never supposed to be a point guard and a creator. I think he was always better as an off -the -ball guy. We saw that with Rondo and New Orleans and just in general. I want to see him with a point guard. I want to see him just being unleashed, not having the ball a lot, just worrying about hitting threes, being an occasional, you know, make -shit -happen guy and being like the third or fourth best guy on a team without having the offensive responsibility to have. All their half court issues got blamed on him for the last couple of years. And I get it. They weren't like an awesome half -court team, even the other one in the finals, but I really value that dude. I had him, even I did the trade value list in August and I had him 37th and I had Dame 23rd. I think he's one of the best 30 players in the league still. He's 33 years old, which, you know, I'm going to talk in a second about when guards hit their mid -30s, but just in general, I think he's a real asset. If he goes to a team like the Celtics and they can keep Derek White and Tatum and Brown in the center, it's like, look out, man. So little mini sweepstakes, rarely do we get the trade, but then we still get another asset to talk about. Thank you for everyone involved in the trade. And then the fourth small point is just that, you know, not rocket science, Milwaukee bought some Giannis time here. They have one of the best 20 players of all time. They were staring down the barrel of a situation that was not good. I was talking about it on this podcast in late June and early July. I thought he was going to put them on the clock. I thought Mark Lasry selling his stake was a really bad sign for all of this because that dude is smart. As I laid out in June, that guy is really smart. And if he's feeling like, you know what, it's time for me to sell my buck stock, that makes me nervous. And then all the stuff that Giannis said and did, which I thought he did really fairly and really smartly. And I think that dude's about titles and that's it. And I know we say that about players, but I think in his case, I don't think he cares about, you know, what's my legacy, how do I compare against Dirk DeWhisky, any of that stuff. I just think he wants more rings. I mean, think about the guys who have won two rings out of the best 35 guys on my list of my pyramid. Those are all guys in my top 35 that won multiple wings. You go to the one -ring side, Jerry West, Oscar, Moses, Dirk, Jokic, Giannis, Pettit, Garnett, Kawhi, Rick Barry. That's the list he's on now. I certainly don't think he's looking at that list going, I got to get away from these guys, but it's a slightly different list. I think when you win multiple rings in multiple situations, it elevates you in a certain way. I think he fundamentally understands that at least a little bit. I want to be the best player since LeBron James. I think that's a thing that he wants. How am I going to do that? I need more rings. I need more finals trips. He knew from last year and maybe even the Boston series that they just weren't good enough. Whether this trade is going to be the thing that propels them, we'll find out, but he's been in the league 10 years, two MVPs, five first teams, two second teams, and now we have this little two -year window. Kawhi and the Raptors was a one -year window. This is a two -year window, I feel like. With Giannis, he's got two years left in his deals. So does Lopez. Middleton has two in a player option. Dame's got two, and then this crazy $120 million player option extension thingy that he has that just keeps going and going. It's probably two years. There's a world where this could go terribly this season, at least for what the expectations are, and then maybe it becomes Kawhi, Raptors. Maybe Giannis is like, you know what? That didn't work. Trade me. And the Bucks, who have no picks left and no future, they look at it next summer, and they go, all right. We tried it. Giannis, what can we get for you? Dame, what can we get? And they just do a reboot, rehaul. Remember, they won in 2021, which just takes so much pressure out of this. It's so much different than the Clippers situation, where they went all in on Kawhi and Paul George. They give up all those picks and SGA, and they've gotten nothing out of it. They haven't even made the finals. So it's got to happen. I think they at least probably have to make the finals. If they get bounced in round two, do I think Giannis is going to stay because they made this Dame -Mower trade? Probably not. So that leads to the big question, is how good of a trade was this? So there's a big picture angle on Dame, and it's going to sound negative, but I really don't want it to sound negative because I think Dame, I voted for him for NBA Top 75. I think he's been one of the best guards in the last 15 years. I think there's a ton of great things you can say, and there's a chance that he goes to Milwaukee, and this thing is fucking awesome. I know any Celtic fan I've talked to, including Isaiah, who's helping produce this podcast today, the Giannis -Dame pick and roll is just terrifying. Other than Jokic and Murray, it's going to be the single most unstoppable offensive play in the league. It is. We are conceding that point. The spot Dame is in right now, big picture -wise, it's weird. He's a superstar, but he's not, and we've seen guys like this before. I judge superstars by, do you have the resume statistically, and is your team succeeding consistently at a certain level? You can't totally say that about Dame. He's never been on a 55 -win team. He's missed the playoffs completely four times in 11 years. He said three first -round exits. He made the Final Four once in 2019, which was really lucky because Golden State and Houston were the two best teams, and then they got smoked. He's never been on a true contender ever. Instinctively, you go, well, that's not his fault. Who's he played with? Well, he played with LaMarcus Aldridge and CJ McCollum and a couple other guys, but not really anybody. The reason I'm putting this up is there's a success element that he has not had yet that for somebody with his resume is actually kind of unusual. I went and I looked up how many guards in the history of the league averaged 22 points a game for their career and played at least 700 games. I thought the list would be like 20. I didn't know. I didn't know what I was walking into. Only I think 75 guys have averaged 22 a game. So I went and I looked up the list, and it was 10 guys, 700 games, 22 a game for their career. There were some guys who came close like David Thompson, who I think is one of the best guards I've seen in the last 45 years, but had a short career and had some drug issues. He didn't make it. He didn't play enough games. Pete Maravich, 24 .2 points a game, but he didn't play enough games. Kyrie hasn't played enough games yet. Bradley Beale is five games away. I'm actually kind of glad the cutoff's at 700 so we don't have to talk about him. And then Mitchell and Trey Young aren't there yet. There's only 10 guys that made it, and the 10 guys are all fucking awesome. And again, I mentioned this in the context of Dame, who we think he is versus the success he's had. So the 10 guys, Michael Jordan, 30 .1, Jerry West, 27 .1, Allen Averson, 26 .7, George Gervin, 26 .2, Oscar Robertson, 25 .7, Kobe, 25 .0, Harden, 24 .7, Curry, 24 .6, Wade, 22, barely made it, and Russ, 22 .4, and then Dame is at 25 again. All right, what does he not have that those other guys have? Well, MJ, don't need to talk about him. Don't need to talk about Jerry West, who's the freaking logo. Allen Averson, pretty good comparison, right? Big stats, really memorable player, but not a ton of success. Here's the difference. Averson made the finals once. He won an MVP. Dame has done neither of those things. George Gervin was the best scoring guard of the 70s. He made two final fours. He had some bad luck. He really, in 79, really should have came close. And some of it's on him, right? He could have come through. Bobby Dandridge is the one that ended up coming through for the Bullets. They lose. But two final fours, he had four top five MVP finishes, five first teams, four second teams. He was just unassailably the best guard in the league until MJ. Oscar Robertson, don't need to go through him, but he won a ring and an MVP. Kobe, five rings and an MVP. Eleven first teams for Kobe, by the way. James Harden, three final fours, an MVP, six top five MVP finishes, six first team MBAs. And even though Harden has never made the finals as the best guy, he made it with OKC as the sixth man, you could build a contender around Harden. We saw it. We haven't really seen it with Dame. I think that's a fair thing to bring up. Curry, four rings, two MVPs, you know, the Curry thing. Dwayne Wade, three rings, two top five MVPs, two first teams, three second teams. He's more in the Dame waters a little bit, but he had the 2006 finals and he was the second best guy with LeBron on those heat teams. And then Westbrook, who you would say, well, Dame had a better career than Westbrook. Did he? Westbrook made the finals in 2012. He was second best guy on that team. Almost made the finals in 2016. He won an MVP. He had two first teams and five second teams. It's at least like a real argument. And I think when you look at Dame, he only had that one 2019 round three, got bounced. He's only had one top five MVP finish. He's only had one first team MBA and four second team MBAs. Really, really good top 75 career. But the piece that's missing is, have you been on a really good team? Have you made a real run at it? Which is why, you know, I think this Milwaukee trade is so much fun. This is his real chance. I get nervous about a couple things with this trade. One is that, you know, if you look at the 33 and older guards who average 22 points a game in a season. Jordan did it twice. Curry did it twice. Still going. Kobe did it three times. Jerry West twice. Sam Jones once. Hal Greer once. That's the entire list. Now the NBA is different. We have more three -pointers now. It's easier to score. Scoring is the easiest it's ever been. Guys can play at a longer age. So I'm not ruling out Dane being good for the next three years. But just pointing out, history is saying, be a little nervous. In general with guards, like Chris Paul, we saw from age 35 to 36 to 37, like it just dropped. But that's two years older than Dane. Maybe it's fine. I just worry about guards. We have not a lot of instances with guards in their mid -30s of them either peaking as players or being able to sustain whatever success they had during their prime. It always starts to go down with really no exceptions, except for Steph Curry. He's the only non -exception. So if your case is Dane's as good as Steph Curry, or Dane can be as potent as Steph Curry on a winning team, like, you know, Steph Curry is better than Dane, but I'm not going to argue that he couldn't do a lot of the stuff that Curry did in Golden State. The bigger issue for me, the age I'm definitely worried about. Dane has not been healthy the last couple of years, and we have not seen him play nine straight months at playoff basketball with a big bullseye on his back. Everybody coming after you, you're the best team. We haven't seen him do that ever, much less than the last couple of seasons. So can he stay up? Can he stay healthy? That's one thing. The defense with Dane just got kind of swept under the rug the last couple days, and I don't really understand it because there's five categories of defensive player I feel like. There's excellent, there's good, there's average, there's not so good, and then there's bad. And I think Dane's a bad defender. I think the stats back it up. Like, his defensive rating last year was 245 out of the guards. He's the 245th guard for defensive rating. You know, 117 .4 individual defensive rating is 483 overall. Portland's team's always defensively, it was the Achilles heel for them. Partly because of Dane, because he couldn't guard anybody. He's too small. And, you know, think about what we saw from the playoffs the last couple years. I think about the 2020 bubble Celtics playoffs, not infrequently, because I think that team had a chance to potentially win a title. What happened? Everyone hunted Kemba Walker. It was hunting season. It's like, where is he? Got to get a switch. Got to get Kemba Walker guarding somebody who's bigger, or got to beat him off the dribble, and it just became a hunt session with him. And basically, he got played out of the league. He's not in the league anymore. You know, we had this with Isaiah Thomas, too, in the mid -2010s. I think it's been an issue with Kyrie Irving. The Celtics certainly went at him in the playoff series with Brooklyn a couple years ago. Curry, you saw, who I think is a better defender than people give him credit for, but the And he's a much better defender than Dame is. Jordan Poole is somebody that got hunted in playoff series recently. Chris Paul, obviously, is a big one. Jalen Brunson, remember what the Heat did to him? Mitchell, when he was on Utah, this was a huge issue. And then Trae Young, obviously. My fear with Dame is he's a DH, and I think in Portland, part of the reasons he was able to put up the stats he did was because he wasn't playing defense, right? It was just, how many points can I score? My team isn't very good, and I'm just going to do my thing. He's an incredible offensive player. But how much of a trade -off is the defense, right? Well, you think, all right, well, Milwaukee, they're really good defensively. They'll be able to protect him. Here's the team. Giannis, Dame, Lopez, Portis, Middleton, Conaton, Beauchamp, Crowder. Who's guarding Trae Young on this team? Who's guarding Jason Tatum? Here's a partial list of guys that I don't think this team will be able to guard this season. Devin Booker, Tatum, Butler, Trae Young, Kyrie, Curry. Who's going to be chasing Curry around the screens? Dame lowered? Good luck. SGA, Luca, Mitchell, Murray, Edwards, Brunson, Ja, Garland, Fox, Halburn. Are they going to be able to cover Derek White? I don't know. The way this team is constructed, they are not going to have the ability to guard other guards at all, which means they're just going to have to be in a shooting match with them, right? It's going to be not much different than what's going to happen with Phoenix, where they're just literally going to have to outscore the other team. I've just watched too much playoff basketball over the last couple years, where it's like, if you have that weak link on defense, and you're playing a team that's smart enough, they're going to go after that weak link. Like, think about them against the Lakers, right? The Lakers figure their crunch time. Let's say they make the finals. It's Milwaukee and the Lakers, and Lakers crunch time. They're going to have LeBron and Davis and Austin Reeves and, I don't know, a shooter and a point guard, whatever. All they're going to be doing is trying to find where Dame is on the court and going after him. What about when they play Boston? Boston puts out White and Brogdon and Tatum and Brown and a center, and all they're going to be doing is trying to make sure Dame is covering somebody who has the ball who's now torturing him. I think it's a real problem for them. And what's funny is they gave up Drew's defense and, you know, they, what they gave up on defense, which is significant, and they gained an offense, it might end up just being a wash and they might just be a different version of the same team where they still have a huge flaw. It's just on the other end of the court. I'm just shocked that nobody brought up the defense. I agree he's an amazing offensive player and what's cool about this trade and what I'm excited about as a basketball fan is, can he go up a level? Right? A lot of these stats he put up, especially the last couple years. They didn't mean anything. They were, he was on bad teams. Like, who cares? Ultimately, Bradley Beal scored 30 points a game on the Wizards. Who cares? I think most really good offensive players, if they're on a bad team, can get between 25 and 30 a night. Can you do it nine months in a row? Can you do it when you're getting hunted on defense all over the place? How much can Milwaukee protect him? And what does he have in the tank at age 33 with 900 plus games on the O 'Dominor already? I'm still afraid of the Bucks, but people have, like, FanDuel had them as best odds in basketball and I think most people feel like they're the favorite now. I don't feel like there's a favorite. I think you can go through every team. Boston, I could, I'm scared of Porzingis. What's going to happen with Jalen Brown out there? He has contracts. Can Peyton Pritchard, all these different things. Philly, God only knows. Miami, they're unquestionably worse. Yeah, Milwaukee is going to be really good, but depending where Holiday lands and how this all plays out, I just think it's still wide open. And the other piece, so if you're just talking Boston, Miami, Tatum kills Milwaukee. I have no idea why. Boston is kind of built to at least stay with Dame and, you know, Derek White is about as good of a person you're going to have to try to keep Dame in check, at least. And Boston's done a really good job of guarding Giannis over the years. They don't have Grant Williams this year, but I just don't think, I think there's as many ways this goes wrong as it goes right, I guess would be my final thought on this because for what they gave up, especially with that 29 unprotected and the two swaps and, you know, they are all in on this team. And you know my theory, when you go all in on a team, you better think you can win. Not positive, but it's an awesome trade. It really is. It makes the league so much more fun. Dame and Giannis together. I'm going to enjoy watching Portland. I still have my eating stock. Watching Phoenix fans slowly realize that Derkiszna isn't the answer is going to be fun and then we'll see where Drew Holliday goes. So really fun trade. We're going to talk about it a little bit more with Die Hard Bucks fan, Ben Thompson in one second. Let's take a break.
A highlight from John Zmirak
"Welcome to the Eric Mataxas Show. We'll get you from point A to point B. But if you're looking for point C, well, buddy, you're on your own. But if you wait right here, in just about two minutes, the bus to point C will be coming right by. And now, here's your Ralph Kramden of the airwaves, Eric Mataxas. Hey, folks, welcome to the program, I like to call it. John Zmierak, you are such a special guest on this program that we were willing to just do a phone connection. Normally, we have to have our guests on video, but you're such a big shot now that you can demand phone only if you if you choose. So welcome to the show. Thank you, Eric. I'm sheltering in place in an undisclosed location. Well, the weird thing is we're both in Dallas. And I was at an event last night. Now, of course, I want to talk to you about the news of the day. But I was at an event last night where a guy claiming to be your landlord came up to me. And I just thought Dallas is such a great place where where where, you know, people like John Zmierak live, there are landlords that that that actually, you know, think the way that we do, it really was. It was a very encouraging event for me, I have to tell you, and I'm sorry you couldn't be there. But I know that you've got you've got a busy life. What I've got is dozens of an open boxes, I'm moving apartments into the house of this wonderful new landlord is really good guy and a fellow believer in America and in Christ. And but I've got two beagles who have to be taught that this new apartment is not a place to go to the bathroom because it's all new to them. And I just am moving everything I own from one place to another. And so we're not doing video because if we did video right now, you would think I was actually Hunter Biden at a Motel six hiding from my Chinese handlers. Yeah, we don't want to look like that. I do not look my best because I do not have any of my toiletries. I can't I have one toothbrush. I can't find any soap. It's not brushes. Do you need, John? I know you got the two beagles, but you really need one toothbrush. I want you to downsize. At this point in life, you should be downsizing to one toothbrush and maybe one and a half beagles at most. No, my God. I look if I my girlfriend would allow it, I would have nine beagles, but nine beagles. OK, negotiated. We negotiated. I told her I have a two beagle minimum. So I rescued two twins together and brother and sister. And they lick each other's faces and they play fight. And they still act like seeing them. They're so you could die. You could die just looking at them. All right. So what shall we talk about? There's a lot in the news. We could talk about any of it. What are you writing about, thinking about? Well, I took a few days off of the moon, so I don't have as many columns. But I did. I did have one that I I spent was actually inspired by a conversation you and I had here. And then I talked about it with the great Charlie Kirk for a full hour. And it relates to my new book, which is coming out in a few weeks. No Second Amendment, no first. The title of the piece, the stream is called Liberal Christians see us as pets who need to be declawed. And this is a theme we've talked about before.
What Is Life Without Taking Some Risks?
"Is life without taking some risks? I mean, if you own a business and you want to be an entrepreneurial entrepreneur, uh, you have got to realize there is risk involved. It's not, there's nothing easy about it. And talking about John D Rockefeller again, he said, if you chase money, you'll never catch it. And I've heard Larry Burkett years and years ago, when he was still around, he said, if you're chasing money, you will chase it forever. If you're starting a business just to make more money, go work for someone else. Fact go work for someone else. That is not a good reason only to start a business, starting a business and doing all these things. Typically, if you do them right, the by -product is making more money. And I also have learned and agree totally with, not just learned because when I read it, I go, that's me, that's me. I am motivated. I am not motivated by just making money. Just having money does not motivate me. What motivates me as did John D Rockefeller was just the next deal, winning the next deal, winning the next sale what's next. That's what motivates me. And yes, again, the by -product of that is when you win, you make more money. And that's great, but it's always the next thing. It's always, what can I do next to win? That's what motivates me. And that's what motivates a lot of other entrepreneurs. So that's kind of the reward. So the risk and reward today's risk relate to market and economic trends and finances and technology and new ways to serve customers faster to encourage growth. You have probably mitigated risk and leveraged size and stayed and flexible all those types of things. And you've researched outside of the box options. How can we serve our customers better? How can we serve our team better? You've researched all these things are outside the box. They're not normal. And they're not what the normal small business does. It's different. Again, that's also what motivates me is just being different and just trying new things and it's risk. Everything's a risk when you're in business and you're trying to grow and you're making things happen and you're wanting to be different than everyone else. Everything is a risk. Some pay off well, some don't. Some win, some lose. That's just part of
You Are BETTER Than You THINK!
"Some of the top answers for starting a business are this. Number one, freedom and flexibility. You know, do you have that? Do you have that in your business? If you and a lot of times we take that for granted, for sure. But if you have freedom and flexibility in your business, you are blessed, you're able to manage your time, you're able to manage a lot of times as you get going in business, and you've been going for a while, you're able to manage your income level much more than you could do if you work for someone else, you're able to business, you have the freedom by managing your finances well, to remain flexible. And in your outside the box thinking, so you are better than you think you are. We also, number two, we create something new. Why do you want to start your own business? I worked for other companies, I don't want to be like them. I learned what not to do. I want to create something new. If you've done that, and you've lasted a while, you are in the top 10 to 20 % of all small businesses. So congratulations, you are better than you think. This means you've businesses that are no longer around. They couldn't deal with failure. They couldn't deal with mistakes. They didn't know how to correct them. They didn't know how to, you know, keep chugging along and keep making things happen. You did. That's why you're still here. You've dealt with a lot of change. If you're in that 10 to 20%, you've dealt with a lot of change. You've either created change, you've adapted to change. Sometimes change is not our idea. Change is always great if it is our idea, right? But sometimes change is not our idea. I mean, things change in our industry that we have to adapt to and we have to make it work. In my world, if it's a refrigerant change or a code change, we have to adapt to those things and we have to just keep working through it. And if you can't do that, you're not going to be around long. We also have to create how to improve serving others better. And we started a business. Most of us have started a business from scratch. Either bought a business, took over a business, acquired a business. But many of you have started a business from scratch with nothing. It is now a viable business. It has a heartbeat. It provides many jobs and it serves many people. And a bit like small business, like no other, I mean, the small business today carries America. The majority of our income and finances come from small business. It's an extremely large amount. I don't have the number in front of me, but if I tell you it's something like 88 % small business carries America. So if you've done all those things and you're in that 10 to 20 % group in the United States, you are better than you think. And number three, people start a business for generational wealth. They want better for their family. They want better than from generation to generation. They want better. And I'll stop right there and tell you that I want my next generation to be better than me. I'm okay with that. I'm perfectly okay with that. What does better mean? We could break that down into many different ways. It doesn't necessarily mean having more money, but the byproduct rather of being better probably will create more wealth that that would be a goal. Okay. So if you're considering others over yourself, you will do well generating wealth for future generations. And if you realize there is more to life than material things, and you don't focus on keeping up with other companies, if your eyes aren't always on other companies, what they're doing, how can I do that? And all those types of things. Or if you're not trying to keep up with other people, keep up with the Joneses and have that kind of car and have that kind of house and have those kind of things and do this and do that. If you're not doing that, you'll have more time to focus on the important things. Now, I'm not saying growing your business is not important. It's extremely important. It's the only way you're going to create generational wealth.
A highlight from Time Travel to 1994: A Journey into the Music and Movies of that year.
"Well, here we are, episode 119. And on this episode, myself in the wrecking tube, Mark Smith and Lou Colicchio from the Music Relish Show. We'll be talking about the year 1994, in music and movies I think, it's always interesting. So sit back, relax, break out your flannel shirt, your grungy jeans, and enjoy 1994 music. It was an interesting year, so I think you'll enjoy it. More interesting than what Todd Zauchman thinks it is. He thinks it's nothing, so we'll see. The KLFB studio presents Milk Crate and Turntables, a music discussion podcast hosted by Scott McLean. Now, let's talk music, enjoy the show. Thank you, Amanda, for that wonderful introduction, as usual. Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends, and welcome to the podcast. You know the name, I'm not gonna say it. We're streaming live right now over Facebook, YouTube, Dlive, Twitch, and X, formerly known as Twitter, and I don't know how many other live platforms. Well, it's gonna be a good show tonight. It's gonna be an interesting show tonight. Yeah, 1994. As I said in the intro, my friend Todd Zauchman just absolutely sent me a text destroying the year 1994. Oh, I just looked up 1994, I don't know what you're gonna talk about, there's a few things and I don't know how you're gonna make a whole show out of it, and good luck with that, because that's how he talks. That's exactly how he talks. I'm just gonna do this, and you know, it's not gonna be a good, blah, blah, blah, blah. That's how he talks. Now, he'll deny that, and you'll never know if that's the way he talks or not. He'll just have to take my word for it. I'm Todd Zauchman, and I don't know about 1994. Well, enough about him. He'll probably be piping in pretty soon, but yeah, 1994, it's a good year. It was a good year for Mark Smith from the Music Rellers Show and Luke Colicchio from the Music Rellers Show. That's for damn sure. It was. What's up, gentlemen? It was a really good year. How you doing? I was just guessing. I figured for 94, listen, we were all younger, so it was better. It was a big year. Hey. So I have to stop right here. Dave Phillips, who's been watching the podcast from pretty much day one, Patty Yossi. Hi, Patty. Good evening. I love you. Dave Phillips, for the last couple of weeks, he's piped in at the end, and he's like, I missed it. Like something's changed. Ah, Tiffany Van Hill. That's my buddy. That's my buddy, Tiffany. She's one of the people that teaches me how to work with horses. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So. And she knows what she's talking about. She's modest, but she's very good at what she does. As are all of my friends and teachers, trainers, mentors from The Herd Foundation in Delray Beach, Florida. It's a nonprofit if you're in the mood to donate today. Look them up. Herd Foundation. Give us some money. Nah, I'm not going like that. No. No, we do. We help veterans. We help veterans, and so it's a good cause. But back to Tiffany. Yep. That's my buddy. Good evening. The Herd Foundation teaches us so much. That's right. That's right. Maybe I'll do a Herd Foundation podcast. You should. Since I'm pretty good at it. You're going to have horses on? What's the horse named after the cookie? Huh? Isn't there a horse named after a cookie? What are some of the horses' names? Oh, Fig Newton. Fig Newton. Yeah. Fig Newton. That's my boy. That's my boy. Good looking horse. Yes. Yes, he is. And we have Stitch. Fig Newton is a retired dressage horse, dancing horse, right? Echoes of Echo and the Bunny Men bring on the dancing horses. We have Stitch. He's a retired racehorse. We have Miss America. She's a retired jumper. Then we have two mini horses. We have Cinnamon. She was a cot horse. You know, pulls the kids around. As would be Sammy. Sammy's the one that looks like Kaja Gugu for you people from the 80s. Looks like Lamal. It looks like Lamal from Kaja Gugu. Gotta do. And he was saved from a kill pen. Yeah. But he's a mini, but he thinks he's a Clydesdale. What do they do with horses after that? Is that the proverbial glue factory? All right. You know what? Right away. Penalty box. Oh. He's raining on my parade. I'm in a good mood. Now I'm all bummed out. Thanks. You feel sad for the drummer now. This is going to be a horrible show now. Leave it to the drummer. Right, Mark? Leave it to the drummer. Get out. It's always the drummer's fault. That's right. See, Tiffany says, that does not exist past our gates, Lou. Because nobody wants to talk. Back to the penalty box. Great start to the show. Lou is just in a mood tonight. I think he's been hitting the whistle. What's going to happen? You're going to come back and it's going to be an empty chair. He's very ornery tonight. Right away. He's very ornery. All right. He's filling his oats, as they would say. Yeah. All right. Lou's back. I'm all right. I'm all right. Okay. Enough about horses, although I could now, at this point, talk about horses for two hours. I love it. I love it. But instead, gentlemen, first of all, how's things on the music relish show? You. Take it away, Lou. Sure. It's fine. It was such an awful show. I thought I said the wrong show for a second there. It's been nothing short of amazing. Don't jump over each other to answer that question. It's always fun. Last week was fun. We got knocked down a bit by Warner Brothers because we played a clip of an America song featuring Dan Peake. Yeah. You're going to watch that. Yeah. We talked through the whole thing, but Spotify is much cooler than YouTube. YouTube sucks like that. YouTube, they have a very strong algorithm. They can kiss my rosy red ass over that. That's right. You tell them, Lou. Fuckers. That's right. Get me kicked off YouTube. That's right. Let me see. John Morris, he was our shift commander. When I met him, I was, I think, a two striper, and he was what they called a butterbot. He was a second lieutenant, I believe. He said, tell them stories from the Nipah Hut in the Philippines. That's a big no. That's a whole other podcast, but they would never make it on the air. Just leave it at that. It's like a chain of Nipah Huts? No. It was a bar slash club called the Nipah Hut. Tell one story. No. They had a giant spaceship that would come down from the top. It's kind of like George Clinton in parliament. At the end of the show, this big spaceship came down from the top. Smoke. Like you said, parliament fucking pelican. Then the thing went open, and everyone would walk up and get up on stage, all those drunk GIs. Like, yeah, I'm going in the spaceship, and you go down these stairs, and you're in a fucking basement. I don't think it was a basement. It's like something from a fucking horror movie. How do you get out? And then somebody goes, this way, this way, go, go, go, go. That's the cleanest story I can tell you. It's the cleanest story I can tell you. Sounds like fun. It was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun. I got a story for you off the air one of these days. So okay, music relish show's going good. Excellent. I just wanted to say, Lou brought up, he made the show. His segment on bad love songs. That will go down in history as some of the best podcasting ever. Bad love songs? Really bad love songs. The worst love songs of all time, like in rock. It's a deep vein. Is that something, is that like content I could probably like borrow with Perry Mind? Because I'd love to hear that list someday. We voted him off the board. We're no longer a false triumvirate democracy. Wait a minute. We toppled the AI monarchy. There's three of us on this one. Are you two going to overthrow me too? Are you like rebels? None of those stories you're told, no. They're wrecking too. Instead I'll start calling you the Sandinistas. The hostile takeovers. You go on podcasts just to take them over? Like Amiens took over the White House. Really, yeah. Yeah, we could do that. I would love to. Maybe next week we'll do, we'll take a break from the years and we'll do like a, kind of a jambalaya, you know, of stuff. Like throw some music news in there. We'll do some trivia. Maybe I'll come up with some questions for you guys. You could give us that deep vein of worst love songs ever. And it's funny, we noticed that several of them made everyone's list of worst love songs. So it's got to be universally bad. Okay. If everyone said that, that fucking song. Then there were a couple where I said I liked the song, but Lou and Perry were like, what? I'm always, you know, on the one side. Yeah, the one. When it falls into like that kind of metal, metal category, you have a soft spot. Air metal. Metal ballads. Oh my God. How I grew up. Yeah, yeah. As young as Ron Mark, you didn't have to deal with those 70s ones. Yeah, that's true. I did. This fucking guy. Blah. See what I mean? He's setting the bar high. Remember, this is how he talks. I don't think there's anything good about 1994. Blah. So he talks like Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, well, an American Arnold Schwarzenegger. He talks like Arnold Schwarzenegger without the accent. We're going to pass the bar on this one. I am here. Let me see if you can entertain me. 1994. Blah. All right. So let's actually get right into 1994. Yeah. So we'll start on January 19th, 1994. Bryan Adams becomes the first major Western music star to perform in Vietnam since the end of the Vietnam War. Oh, shit. Bryan Adams. Bryan Adams, yeah. Wow. On January 21st to February, as it's spelled, the Big Day Out Festival takes place, again, expanding from those previous years. Blah, blah, blah. Auckland, New Zealand. The festival is headlined by Soundgarden, Ramones, and Bjork. Nice. That's an interesting... Probably each night there were headlines. I would love to see Bjork. Me too. I would never want to see the Ramones. They'll never get back together again. Unless they perform in the Pet Sematary. Yeah. Hey, Lou, can you put him in the green room? No, I'd like that one. That's a good one. Come on, there's a little crossover. Put him in the green room. Put him in the green room. Okay, yeah, yeah. Oh, it's going to be a long show. It's going to be a long one tonight. I feel better about myself now. Got a little redemption? The redemption song? Yes. I got a Buffett story for you. Oh, yeah? His one song was The Pirate Looks at 40. He would segue into Bob Marley's redemption song. Oh, jeez. And it didn't quite... Wait a minute. Buddy, that is the quickest way to get to the penalty box. I'm not playing it, though. I know you're not. You're poking the rhino right now. I'm a guitarist. You're poking the rhino right now. You're not a rhino, you're a nice guy. Come on, we went through that last week. And so, as I've been saying each week, I'm just going to say right now, where's Jack? Okay, and we'll move on from that. Hey, Jack. Hey, Jack, please come back. He didn't listen before, so I don't think he's listening now. Let's see. January 25th, Alice in Chains released their Jar of Flies album, which makes its U .S. chart debut at number one on the Billboard 200, becoming the first ever EP to do that. Right? But they still are always talked about as like number three or number four out of the big four. Big four being? Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden. And Alice in Chains. Alice in Chains is never getting that kind of... Whereas... That first album, the record company made them sound like another band. Yeah. And that's not their fault. They were produced that way. Dirt was a great album. Yes, yes. And Layne Staley was one of the greatest frontmen ever. Just as cool as the other side of the pillow, as they say. Yeah. voice Very unique also. Today we were talking about what we were going to talk about in the show. And he goes, when I saw the videos, he goes, I didn't match his face with the way he looked. Right? He said he was expecting like a grungy, more... No, he was slick. He was slick. In the Man in the Box video, he's got the kind of long... But then he changed it up. He slicked the hair back, he wore the shades, you know. Just turned into a... Suzanne McPhail. Another one of my horse people. She's the one that introduced me to that whole thing. And she said, who's Jack? That's right, I guess. At this point. On January 29th, The Supremes' Mary Wilson is injured when her Jeep hits a freeway median and flips over just outside of LA. Wilson's 14 -year -old son is killed in the accident. What a good day. Ah, this fucking... I saw this and I was like... Dead horses was a bummer. I know, I know. I saw this and I'm like, there's no way around this. February 1st, Green Day releases their breakthrough album, Dookie. Ushering in the mid -1990s punk revival. Dookie eventually achieves diamond certification. Now, I did like them back then. I actually did. I was stationed in Southern California in Riverside. And I decided to get like a side job. You know, I was in the Air Force. But I was like, I want to make a little more money. I want to do something. So I got a job at a record store. Cool. Was it Spencer's or something? Forget the name of it. Oh, Spencer's. They sold all the trinkets, too. No, no, it wasn't Spencer's then. It was something like that. It was a chain. Hot topic. They sold DVDs, too. FYE. No, it wasn't that. I'll remember it. I was working there when Dookie came out and the fucking whole wall was covered with Dookie CDs and they were flying off the shelves. It had a pretty fresh sound. It was fresh then. And coming off the 80s were kind of slick in a lot of ways, except for some of the real heavy alternative. But to hear a song like that on the radio, that was like hearing Smells Like Teen Spirit on mainstream rock radio. Good drummer, too. As a band, whether you like him or not, I think he's really good. Billy Joe Armstrong. Oh, Trey Cool. Trey Cool, yeah. February 7th, Blind Melons lead singer is Shannon Poon forced to leave the American Music Awards ceremony because he is loud and disruptive behavior. Poon is later charged with battery assault, resisting arrest, and destroying a police station telephone. Now, this is the dude that sang, you know, And I don't really care if I sleep all day And he's in the daisy field, so you think he's like this really, like, chill dude. And like, you know, me and the B -girl, man, you know. The B -girl, yes. And the tap -dancing B -girl, and like, I'm just this dude's a fucking lunatic. He was taking substances that made him. Oh, yeah. That was a short career. Was it him that did a duet with Guns N' Roses? What was the video, a song from Guns N' Roses with a video where they're up on like a water tower and they jump into the water or something. I forget what it was called. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe they did it with him.
Kevin McCarthy: Biden Must Address Immigration With the Senate
"Could go to conference and solve that so why am I ask the president sit down because the Senate has not done their job the Senate has not taken up the house work so no the president should step in and do something about otherwise government will shut down just like we're having strikes in Michigan just like we had the five -month strike in California just like we have embassies that are having to be evacuated around the world that's a lack of leadership so show some leadership this is your policies this wasn't a policy that was passed from the House and Senate that opened up this border it was simply your decision and you could do something to change it it would keep government open while we finish the job and hopefully the Senate can get around to appropriation bill that is superb because it happens to be true so they've tried to box him in and he's muscling his way out we're passing appropriations bills and even if we don't get all them passed we're passing them and what's the Senate doing nothing what's Biden doing nothing zero what are they doing about the border they don't even have a proposal on the Senate to fund border security nothing representative Byron Donald's on Capitol Hill today listen to the reporters all the reporters are completely in the back pocket of the of Schumer buying the Democrat Party and their propaganda so the Republicans have to unravel it and let me tell you something they're doing a good job of it cut eight go the Senate bipartisan proposal yeah what do you make of it would you support that if McCarthy brought it to
A highlight from Episode 12 The Drama of Atheist Humanism Fr. Joseph Fessio S.J., Vivian Dudro, and Joseph Pearce FBC Podcast
"Welcome to the Foreign Book Club where David Duda, Joseph Pierce, and I, Father Fassio, continue to discuss Henri de Bloch's classic work, The Drama of Atheist Humanism, where he takes three great figures of the 19th century, whose thought influenced the whole of the 20th century, and is still influences now. We've covered Nietzsche, and then Feuerbach Marx, trying to take it as one moral person there. And now we're about to finish, the least known, I believe, in America anyway, Auguste Comte, who is the father of sociology. We're on page 248, in this chapter, positive transpositions, that is positivism, which was the form of thought and practice that was developed by Auguste Comte, transposed many elements of the Catholic church into its own humanist church. And we'll continue seeing how that happened on this section called Sociocracy, page 248. In the middle of that page, Lubbock says, in the last analysis, Christianity in general had been looking forward to the kingdom of heaven. Positivism in general, in the last analysis, an organization of the kingdom of the earth. That kind of sums it up. And then at the bottom of that page, the last word, if, and to the next page, if the advent of sociology had meant the elevation of politics to the rank of an exact science, the advent of sociocracy was to be the religious consecration of the said politics. It becomes a religion. Joseph, you're leading us in this book. Yeah, well, that's actually a good introduction to the first thing I had highlighted, which is really just three words, but I think very, an ominous few words. This is the middle of page 250, where Comte says that he has given his creed, that the motto order and progress, both words are capitalized. And in one sense, if you're going to look at those words sort of amorphously or ambivalently, everybody believes in order and progress, in the sense that the Catholic church will say an ordered life is a virtuous life, and that's progress towards the kingdom of heaven. No one's going to argue, if we're going to use the words very amorphously, what that means. But when you capitalize them as something subject to this sociology, the order is going to be state imposed order, and the progress is going to be worship of a utopia in the future for which everybody can be sacrificed. And that's what happens when you suck the divine out of notions of order and progress. So the next thing I have is 253, so I don't know if anybody beats me there. Well, the very last line of 252, I just barely squeezed in ahead of you, Joseph. The box says, since nothing could be done unless a, quote, proper nucleus of true sociocrats, those quotes, was formed. But in the field of action, the watcher was politics first. From the very outset, the new system must seek to lay hands on power. And, well, you, you may have done the same thing I'm going to do, so you take it away with 253, Joseph. Well, yeah, I mean, just commenting on that, that's the whole point is that we saw this with Nietzsche and with Marx, that it's no longer about truth, objectively understood, but about subjectively applied power and that in itself. But what I felt further down here is very interesting. This is different from Marx. Marx obviously believed somehow that the working class were going to be the people that would gain power, at least in theory, were very much an elitist. And for him, halfway down page 253, and this is ominous, it's almost like exactly what we're seeing in the capitalist ideologies, bankers. So it's actually the international financiers, the super rich, like the George Soros's. These men possessing great wealth must, provided they keep us to the pitch of their social vocation, also have the leading part in the government, that they are naturally trained for this role, by their habit of seeing things in perspective and by the spirit of calculation, that the middle classes are to disappear, leaving only a patriciate and a proletariat, that for the whole of the West, with its 120 million inhabitants, the patriciate is to number 2000 bankers. So he's actually saying that we're going to hand over the government of the world to 2000 super rich financiers. That's his idea.
A highlight from Whitepaper: The emergence of Automation and AI for Customer Service, Podcast
"This is Doug Green, and I'm the publisher of Telecom Reseller, and I'm very pleased to have with us today Blair Pleasant. Blair, thank you for joining us today. Thanks, Doug. Good to be here. I'm glad to see you again. And we also have with us Anna Baker of EnReach. Anna, thank you for joining me today. Hi, Doug. Thank you for hosting us. We're going to be talking about one of my favorite topics, actually two of my favorite topics, automation and AI. And we're going to be talking specifically about a new white paper that just came out a couple of weeks ago, the emergence of automation. And we're going to be sort of diving into this topic. What I like about what we're going to be talking about this morning is, you know, everybody, literally, everybody is talking about AI and automation nonstop. Here we're going to be talking about it in a practical manner. We're going to talk about how it actually can be applied in the field for contact centers and other applications as well. So before we dive into that, Anna, you know, I think our readers and listeners and so on see EnReach all the time, but tell us briefly what your company does. OK. Yeah. So EnReach is a unified communication provider in Europe. We're one of the biggest players there. And we provide our communication services through partners to the smaller and medium businesses. And on the other hand, we also have integrated communication solutions for for Salesforce or for Microsoft, which we provide to the bigger companies and my team as part of EnReach. We focus on the AI part. So we've built a conversational AI platform, which we're probably going to talk about a bit today. And the idea, basically, that you guys have been talking about for a while is actually using AI, making it work for companies, for applications and so on. Am I right about that? Yeah, that's right. Yeah. The thing we discussed with Blair is we showed some cases in which we use AI to fully automate certain conversations. I think one of the examples in the white paper is about a taxi company. You can imagine how narrow these conversations typically are about people ordering taxis and how AI can really help smoothen that process or even completely automate the process. So, you know, staying with that for a second and maybe before and after, how do businesses perceive AI? Is it still an unknown or is it becoming more known? I think it's becoming more known. I mean, if you if you open LinkedIn, you can't get away from AI. And most people have played with with things like chat GPT. So in that sense, it's known. I think the thing that is still unknown is what I can do once you connect it to the data of your company. So where in chat GPT, if you chat with it, you can ask general questions. Once you connect it to the data of your company, you can ask really specific questions and get specific answers. I think this is where you now see a lot of applications is pulling the generic AI conversational AI functionality into the company space and connect it with the company's data. So, Blair, you know, in starting to work on this, how is the digital world of social media smartphones and apps impacted customer service? Yeah, basically, customers want to be able to interact with companies and brands, you know, how they want and when they want. They don't want to have to go through multiple IVR menus before they can reach an agent or get the information that they want. And more and more people are using tools like WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger for all types of things. And they expect to be able to use those channels for customer service as well now. And mainly, you know, people want to be able to get service when they need it, how they need it, you know, not just during business hours. And they're really tired of, you know, the IVR and they want more intuitive ways of interacting with organizations. And one thing is that, you know, we're finding the use of, you know, social media and apps and, you know, all these other things. It's going across demographics and generations. You know, people think, oh, you know, WhatsApp is just for, you know, 20 -somethings or 30 -somethings, but it's not. And so one thing I found is that, you know, regardless of age or, you know, whatever demographic, people want to use these tools and they are using these tools. You know, and staying with that for just a second, those tools are not just communication tools. They're emerging as basically a marketplace. They're the shopping mall. They're the place, especially in many parts of the world, where people transact everything from a haircut to buying a pair of shoes. Exactly. Yeah. So people are used to using these tools and these apps. So why shouldn't they be using it for customer service as well? And then and so, you know, businesses need to really think about this. They need to make that a part of their culture and not just something that's onto the side. Am I right about that? Oh, absolutely. And we're definitely starting to see it. You know, what used to be something kind of separate is now becoming part of organizations workflows and really the way that they do business. Santa, in customer engagement settings, how do you determine which processes are better suited for automation and which should be handled by live agents, which should be handled by live engines or maybe machine? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's all to do with whether customers allow these conversations to be automated. So if you're doing a really goal oriented conversation and it's short, you typically allow, they typically won't mind an automated process. And also from the other side, having short and narrow conversations are a lot easier to automate. And as the conversation gets longer, we see AI struggle with keeping consistent conversation and we'd rather have a human in the loop and an agent taking the conversation while the AI is supporting the agent in that conversation. Did I hear you say the word frustrate? Yeah, I think there still is a lot of frustration. I think there's frustration with the fact that the customers just want to get to an agent as quick as possible. On the other end, they're in the queue and there's many other customers trying to get to the agent. And our role is to make sure that those conversations that are, that can be automated, that can be routed more efficiently, are routed more efficiently so that we free up time for those lengthier conversations that do need agents. This sounds like it's a complicated thing. In other words, we have to make a number of important decisions if you're a company in applications about which calls go where. Yeah, typically it starts with kind of a routing. We ask people their intent, why people are calling or why people are reaching out. And based on that, we make a decision whether to see if we can help them by self service and automated service or whether we directly route to the to an agent. Because a certain conversation that doesn't make sense to try and automate you only frustrate. So let's stick with this frustration thing, because I think, you know, by the time someone's actually contacting a contact center, they're pretty frustrated sometimes. And so I need to I mean, Blair, I need to ask, is AI sometimes seen as a cost reduction tool? And can that be a problem? For some organizations, it is seen as a cost reduction tool. And down the road, I think more and more it will be. But I think right now, organizations are looking at it as a way to improve the service that they provide to customers. And you know, customers are demanding self service. You know, we know that, you know, again, across generations, across age groups, people want that self service capability and to be able to get what they need when they need it without having to, you know, wait in queue for an agent. So whatever organizations can do to help enhance self service is really seen as a benefit right now. And AI is really helping enhance those self service capabilities. And it's also helping agents be more productive when customers do talk to the agents. So I think it is seen as a cost reduction, but I think a lot of organizations are really seeing it as a way to provide better self service capabilities to customers and then also to enhance the agent performance and the agent's ability to answer and resolve the customer's issue when the customer does talk to the agent. You know, a lot of people talk about, you know, being able to replace their agents and saving money that way. But right now, it's really about agent augmentation. It's not about replacing agents and saving money that way. It really is about giving the agents the tools that they need to be more effective and to provide better service to customers. So down the road, yeah, we're going to see, you know, cost reductions based on lowering, reducing the number of agents. But right now, it's really about helping agents be more effective and helping customers get those self service capabilities that they want. Is it also about improving brand loyalty? Oh, absolutely. You know, if customers can get the information that they want, when they want it, how they want it, then that's definitely going to improve brand loyalty and customer loyalty. No doubt about that. But, you know, you were talking about frustration before. If it's a frustrating experience to customers and they can't get the information, then that impacts customer loyalty negatively. So that's why having the right tools that can really assist agents and assist customers is so important. So Blair, are consumers becoming more accepting of automated and self service environments? I'd say yes and no. You know, consumers really want to use self service and studies that I've done show that the large majority of customers will try self service before reaching out to a contact center. But that being said, a lot of people get really frustrated with automated and self service applications that can only answer specific types of questions and they don't always work as advertised. You know, I think the first generation of chatbots really didn't work very well. And customers got very frustrated, you know, frankly, personally, I hated using chatbots for the longest time because the experience was really bad. You know, it didn't provide the right answers. And half the time it didn't understand the questions. It didn't know where I was coming from. And a lot of people just gave up and stopped using this first generation. But I'd say in the past year or so, or maybe two years, the technology really has improved. And we have more conversational AI tools that do understand the questions and can provide better responses. And this is just going to keep getting better with generative AI that lets you ask questions in a more natural way and provide better responses that are easy to understand. So yes, it's been frustrating, but I think customers are becoming more accepting and will be as the technology keeps improving. So you know, Anna, you know, AI is usually perceived, I think, as a large enterprise solution. Is that correct? Can it be used with medium sized companies or even smaller companies? Yeah, I think the answer is yes and no. It's still a big topic. Integrating your data, integrating your system with AI is a lot of work. And enterprises spend a lot of money on that. And that's something that is hard for smaller businesses to replicate. On the other hand, providers like ourselves have already pre -integrated AI into the core of communication, which makes it the solution that is also achievable for those smaller players. Think about taking your IVR experience and upgrading it to a voice IVR, where instead of having to listen to the menu, you can just say, I have a question about my invoice, and the IVR system routes you to the right department. And this is something that we've basically built out of the box as a turnkey solution now. And with these large language models, it's also a lot easier to train and model for your company. So there are definitely solutions we see that are within reach for the smaller and medium businesses.
A highlight from Ron Hammond Interview - Crypto Regulation News! SEC Gary Gensler Hearing, FTX Trial, Crypto Bills, Coinbase, Stablecoin Regulation
"Last time he spoke in front of the House Finance Service Committee, he kept saying multiple times, we have not lost a court case on crypto at all. We have brought several actions. And again, remind you, they call settlements wins. And so in their case, they were. They had won every single court case. But now that talking point is really faded because, as you mentioned, the Ripple's case, the Grayscale case, there's also ones like the Coinbase suit going on right now. This content is brought to you by Link2, which makes private equity investment easy. Link2 is a great platform that allows you to get equity in companies before they go public, before they do an IPO. Within their portfolio includes crypto companies, AI companies, and fintech companies. Some of the crypto companies you may recognize include Circle, Ripple, Chainalysis, Ledger, Dapper Labs, and many more. If you'd like to learn more about Link2, please visit the link in the description. Welcome back to the Thinking Crypto podcast, your home for cryptocurrency news and interviews. With me today is Ron Hammond, who's director of government relations at the Blockchain Association. Ron, great to have you back on. Thanks for having me. Always a pleasure. Ron, it's going to be a busy week. It's already a busy week here in DC. Tomorrow is, of course, the hearing with chairman of the SEC, Gary Gensler. Tell us about that and what can we expect. Definitely. For those who may not know, Gary Gensler, the chair of the SEC, is going to be testifying in front of the House Financial Services Committee for the second time this year. That's a really big deal because, to remind you, last year, they barely saw him at all in that committee when the Democrats had control. But if the Republicans can control, they want to exercise oversight of the SEC as much as possible. And again, it's pretty typical, though, for the opposite party to try to put the screws on to the party that has the White House. But in this case, a lot has happened, both in crypto, but also just generally, that it's going to get a lot of flack for Gary Gensler, whether it be on private funds, ESG. And again, crypto will definitely come up a lot after talking to several folks on the House side. He recently testified, though, in front of Senate Banking two weeks ago, and we didn't get too much out of that candidly. We saw a couple of questions from Senator Hagerty from Tennessee on the issues of promethium, for example, and Bitcoin ETF. We also saw some questions from Senator Lummis on SAB 121, which is more crypto accounting standards, and how do you custody actual crypto for banks. So I think we're going to see a lot more hard -hitting points from the House, especially on the Republican side. But I'd also like to caveat, as well, that the shutdown approaching, a lot of Democrats are going to use their time to hit the Republicans. It's just standard politics here. The Republicans are the ones in the House that are really slowing things down, unfortunately, when it comes to funding the government. So Democrat, any for the most part, is going to utilize their five minutes to not really talk about Gary Gensler, but talk about the Republicans shutting down the government. Because again, that's a major, major thing here. As much as crypto is big for us, the macro of all of the shutdown has a lot of implications. So we won't see crypto come up too much, but after talking to a couple offices, it does seem like we're going to have some definitely hard -hitting questions, very similar to what we saw earlier this year in the House. Yeah, and to your point of, you know, things have certainly changed since the last time he appeared, because you had the Ripple lawsuit decision, you had the Grayscale decision, where Grayscale won that, Ripple won a big chunk of theirs as well. And the Prometheum details are more about what Prometheum is and what they're up to. So do you think there's going to be some hard -hitting questions around that, those cases and those things that happened? Definitely. So if you recall, last time he spoke in front of the House Financial Services Committee, he kept saying multiple times, we have not lost a court case on crypto at all. We have brought several actions. And again, remind you, they call settlements wins. And so in their case, they were. They had won every single court case. But now that talking point is really faded because, as you mentioned, the Ripple case, the Grayscale case, there's also ones like the Coinbase suit going on right now. That's got a lot more attention. Actually, it looks a lot better for Coinbase post those decisions. And so he can't rely back on the courts here or say that, hey, look, I'm winning in all these court cases. And actually, especially in the Grayscale case, he lost 3 -0. And two of those judges were Democrat appointees and they're based here in D .C. And so I think that having that set the tone of like, look, you are really overextending here and you're losing in the courts, not by a small margin, by unanimous margin sometimes. And it's just not crypto. You are pushing the balance elsewhere where other industries like ESG or like private equity are seeing these wins and saying, you know what? I think we're going to actually have a chance to win against the SC as well. So like the ETF situation where crypto really just goes out ahead and fights a lot of these fires for more traditional finance. And then those folks kind of benefit from crypto's push. I think we're seeing some of that happening now with the Grayscale case and Ripple case and Coinbase case empowering other industries who feel like they are also having overreach from the SEC saying, you know what? I think we have actually a case here when we can actually win the courts. So I think it's going to be a major theme of this hearing going forward. But also there's going to be several other questions to your point about Prometheum. That was a major issue for that committee, which had Erin Caplan in front of that committee just a couple of months ago. And they reiterate all the talking points, securities laws are clear. The SEC gave us a way to work forward and move things forward. But that argument really fell apart pretty quickly. And we're seeing that in this case, that the Prometheum line that there is a pathway forward registration, there is a way to comply, just doesn't hold water. And so I'm pretty sure we'll see some members of Congress tighten the screws a little bit there because it's been really more of a black box, the SEC, of how this process went. Caplan just kept saying that we actually kept working the SEC and they were clear, but that has yet to even show itself. So I think there'll be a major other theme for this hearing as well. Now you mentioned Coinbase and everyone's looking at that lawsuit. There was also news reported, I think you mentioned it, where Coinbase CEO Brian Armstrong will be on the Hill. They've also launched an education campaign around crypto. Tell us about that. Yeah, Coinbase has been a godsend, candidly. Again, we used to have only about five or six lobbyists during the infrastructure fight. And again, we're going up against the banks who have over 150 plus lobbyists. We have going against other agencies or other groups that have way more funding. But Coinbase really has stepped up and said, look, the fights here in DC, we are committed to the United States and we're committed to resources here in the United States and DC to educate Congress, to educate regulators, and to showcase in DC why crypto is important for the future of the United States. And so they're having a huge Hill day tomorrow, actually. Again, it lines up not on purpose at all with Kerry Gensler testifying and of course also the shutdown too. But they're going to be having a whole set of presentations for Hill staff and members of Congress to learn from founders. It's not just Coinbase itself. They're also bringing in other founders from other companies and having a whole demo day, a Hill day, you can say, to educate various offices. And so I think it's really important to have. We're all seeing a lot of other folks from the industry come down. So it's going to be quite the crypto week here in DC. Of course, bad timing with the shutdown, but no one can really plan it like that. So we're really excited to see how that plays out, especially with all the heat recently more moving to AI in terms of interest, but also scrutiny. I think it's good to have more adults in the room and say, hey, look, crypto was the AI about one or two years ago. We're still here. We're fighting a lot of big battles. We need Congress's help to move the needle. But at the same time, let's show you why this is important and why this technology needs to be in America and not be based elsewhere. Because unfortunately, we're seeing a lot of folks migrate over to London, migrate over to the EU. And Coinbase is really taking a strategic stand saying, we're here to stay. We're here to comply with the rules, but we also need some action from Congress. So we'll see how that goes. Sure. Yeah, that's really great that they're doing that. And education advocacy are certainly key. And speaking of legislation and regulations, obviously, we had the market structure bill get marked up in the house. You also have the stable coin bill. What's the latest with those and the next steps? I know the shutdown is probably delaying a lot of things. What are the latest on those items? Yeah, so we were kind of expecting by October timeframe to have a vote on the stable coin bill and the market structure bill. There are other crypto bills as well that passed out of the house financial service committee, but those are the two main big ones. And so the plan was, hopefully, was after this whole shutdown drama that we would have a vote probably in October, but it's looking more like November now. And again, our message to folks is the closer we get to that 2024 election, we're almost a year out, all of a sudden, all bipartisan politics goes away and folks start retreating back to their bases. And it's my team versus your team. And that's when everything grinds to a halt in DC. We're already seeing that right now a little bit with the shutdown where folks are saying it's my team versus your team, but the Republicans are a lot more splintered on their teams. And so we want to make sure that we get these bills pushed out of the house on a good bipartisan basis and then showcase to the Senate why it's important to take up this legislation. Now, there are been some rumors going around recently. Again, Politico report on it, Punchbowl report on it recently, too, that Patrick Henry gave an interview saying, look, the Senate Bank Committee, my Senate counterpart, they're doing completely different things than we're doing in the house. We're focusing on crypto and capital formation and data privacy. They're more focused on marijuana banking, exec compensation, and banking regs. So we are in two different camps on two major different issues. But if we were able to make a trade of some sort, the priorities that Sherrod Brown, who's running for reelection in deep red Ohio, who's going to need all the help he can get, would at least his case to voters saying, look, I'm actually working on this committee that traditionally has not passed that many bills. Mind you, again, they haven't passed a bill, except for this year, for four years before that. And that's during his time as well as Republicans in the chair time. It's crazy. And so in order for this to move the needle, they have to have a trade. And I think that's what's really important to say. If this trade were to happen, a lot does have to happen. But this does provide a pathway potentially for crypto legislation to move forward to the president's desk. Again, a lot has to happen. A lot can mess this up. But this isn't one of the first few times we're seeing kind of a light at the end of the tunnel. And we're really excited by it now again. But we have to have a lot of education because the Senate has not really given too much thought to this issue besides a couple handful of really powerful champions. Yeah, boy, fingers crossed, toes crossed, everything, hoping they can get something through the House and then we can go through the Senate. Boy, I'm hoping something happens by early next year before the madness of the election cycle. Now, there's also the trial for Sam Beckman Fried and the whole FTX debacle. In addition, there's been new updates around Sam Beckman Fried's parents and how money was moved to his aunt and Stanford University and much more. What do you expect to happen in October with this trial? So the main issue that we're going to have here in D .C. is just the noise. A lot of people are going to be talking about the SPF trial. It does have a huge media attention, for better or for worse. And again, we've really at least made sure we tell folks in D .C., again, this is not a crypto problem. This is a complete scammer just using newer technology. But guess what? Same old playbook as we've seen with Madoff and others. But there is concern that there are, at least in the case of the House, for example, we're voting on these big bills. FTX came up as a reason to support the bill, as a reason also to oppose the bill. Some folks say, look, there's no coming of a customer funds. That's what FTX did. And this bill bans that. On the other end, they're saying, you know, well, this legitimizes the crypto market. So this could potentially make more FTXs come up down the road. And so we've seen FTX kind of being pulled in two different directions when it comes to supporting or opposing legislation. And so our concern is the 300 plus members of Congress who have not sat in a crypto hearing who may not even know what Bitcoin or Ethereum is, are they going to listen to the headlines and say, look, actually, SPF is all crypto, which we all know it's not the case. Or they're going to say, SPF did this fraud. That's why we need to pass legislation to make sure this doesn't happen again. And so we're trying to really thread that needle. Of course, you know, we still know everything is going to come out through the trial. There could be some regulatory implications. Again, the campaign donations is a major factor and a major reason why a lot of folks in Congress are a lot more put back by crypto and kind of staying away on the sidelines because they don't get burned again. But as we're seeing kind of recently with the indictment with Senator Menendez recently from New Jersey, some members of the Senate took money from his PAC. And so there's a lot of, you know, just it doesn't matter if you're in crypto, doesn't matter if you're a Singh Senator, there's a lot of issues when it comes to campaign financing as a whole. And a lot of folks are on their toes here. But I think, you know, we want to make sure that we showcase it. Folks, SPF kind of went abroad and tried to really railroad the industry here in D .C. by trying to screw DeFi with his legislation and trying to protect his fraud and scam. Let's make sure it doesn't happen again. Let's put some rules on the road because, yes, SEC is not providing that right now. They haven't for years. And so it's time for Congress to act. So we'll see how that makes the dynamics. I'm sure, again, there'll be a lot of D .C. ties and connections with that court case. So if there's anything damning, we'll soon find out. But our hope is that this actually encourages Congress to act rather than sit on the sidelines saying, no, we're good. Crypto is kind of all SPF, FTX. And what do you think about the dynamic of and I don't know if this is going to be discussed in the trial at all, but Sam Beckman Fried and FTX officials met with the SEC many times. These are confirmed things on the calendar. I believe Sam met with Gary Gensler, according to some calendar updates. Does that play a factor at all? Because obviously we don't know what was discussed and what was the agenda items. But would that bring any pressure on Gary Gensler? Like you met with this guy. Yeah. He said in the New York Times article back in December that he met with SPF, I think it was twice actually, SPF and Gensler personally. But again, also remind you, it's a big organization. SPF was in D .C., more than any CEO in any industry I've seen in my time in D .C. But at the same front, staff meet all the time too. I mean, it wasn't just SPF. He had a whole team of staff that helped out on this front, both at the CFTC, at the SEC and of course with Congress as well. And so Gensler said again explicitly that he met with SPF twice. But I think it'd be good to know, look, how many times does your staff interact? How long do those conversations go? What do they lead to? Because there were some rumors swirling around that FTX is going to get a pass of sorts. And again, those are rumors. We have not had confirmation of that. But the one thing about the court case is that it's going to bring all this to light. So if there's anyone that's saying anything half -truths here or they're trying to protect their character or protect their image, it could really bite them if they have been lying to the press or they've been getting half -truths here. And so if I were to chair Gensler, this likely will come up in tomorrow's hearing. The question is like, look, it's going to come out. The truth will come out. We just want to make sure you're shored up here because it's going to be really bad for you on top of all the other things that have been happening in the courts if you've been caught potentially lying here. And again, I don't see any reason why he would in this situation, but I think the focus should be also not just on SPF and Garrett Gensler, but where do the staffs and the senior level execs and regulators also meet from FTX and the SEC? Hmm. I'm very curious to get those details. Now, speaking of FTX, obviously with the relation with Binance, and I forgot to ask you this earlier, the judge recently said it blocked the SEC from conducting further discovery, if I'm not mistaken, with Binance US. Have you heard anything about that? Not as much, at least in the DC front, but at least when it comes to the Binance situation as a whole, there's still that looming DOJ investigation that a lot of folks in DC are waiting for that shoe to drop. Again, there's various rumors of why that DOJ lawsuit hasn't dropped. There have been confirmation reports of central sanction evasion violations, as well as money laundering violations by Binance and the parent company, not Binance US to my knowledge, but Binance. What is the relationship though between Binance US and Binance? Is that there much cohesion there or is there actually a pretty separate line between those two entities? So one thing's for sure though, a lot of folks in DC or in the early of 2023 are hearing a lot more from Binance. They were definitely hitting DC a lot more, trying to get their narrative out. And I think the mounting allegations are pretty damning. And we've seen a lot of folks who were in DC for Binance trying to deliver that message. They're not here anymore. It was a very short stint for them. So whether that be for the company having financial problems, whether it be more of the regulatory issues, that's unclear at the moment. I would lean more to the regulatory issues, but I think it's all going to come more to light as time goes on, but it's pretty bad. So we'll see exactly how Binance recovers from this, if at all. But at least here in DC, the folks that they had speaking, they largely aren't here anymore. Wow. And final item here, obviously you got the Gensler hearing tomorrow with the House Financial Services Committee. Is there any other major hearings for the remainder of the year that we should be aware of? Not at the moment, at least in terms of big ones. We are seeing some small hearings, rumors coming up right now for more of Senate banking. Again, if they do consider crypto legislation, they've only had one major crypto hearing so far this year, whereas the House has had over 13. But again, like I mentioned earlier, that's just two separate priorities for two separate chairs. But if this trade were to happen, I think I'd just keep an eye on Senate banking. They just had their first AI hearing last week. And as they kind of get more into the AI issues and tech issues in finance, that's going to eventually loop in crypto more and more. So I think we'll keep an eye on Senate banking. And then finally, if we are looking for those votes happening on the House floor for the stablecoin bill, as well as the market structure bill, I probably keep a little eye on the House as well. I guess I think lastly, I'll say now, too, is tax issues. We've been talking a lot about securities law, commodities law for quite some time. But tax issues are really percolating to the surface here. Senate Finance, which is Ron Wyden, who's a big champion for crypto, Democrat side, as well as Mike Crapo from Idaho, they actually put a request out to the industry and another stakeholder saying, look, what does taxation for crypto look like? Please help us. Who should be reporting 1099s? Who should be doing various filings and such? So that's just a request ended in early September. And so we potentially could see some action or at least some legislative hearings on what does crypto taxation look like. And I think it's a very important issue with the broker definition coming out from Treasury. There's a lot of comments going through that system right now. So we'll see where that lines up by keeping an eye on tax issues. That's going to be a major fight for quite some time. And I think it's going to be really important. It's a little nitty gritty, but it's very important for any business to operate in the United States. Yeah, absolutely. That's a big one. And I know there's been some other things happening. I think the FASB rule and with corporations being able to hold Bitcoin and things like that on their balance sheet, I believe there were some updates there. Don't have the full details, but there's certainly a need for further clarity and for individuals and institutions. Ron, always great information, man. Thank you so much. Happy to help. Thanks for having me.
How Pinole Is Thinking Outside the Box for Economic Development
"I do a lot of economic development consulting, helping a number of cities, a number of business improvement districts grow, and a lot of the conversation around business attraction is, how do we help a city sort of make the permit process easier? It's still got to be there, you still got to conform to certain regulations, but I'll give you an example. Last week in the paper, Vacaville attracted a new science business, and their city manager was in the paper and said, we will have everything permanent and approved within 90 days, and we will bring in the utilities and the water and the sewer to help them start their process. Knowing that PG &E and I forget which is their sewer company, they can't move that fast as 90 days, but at least starting the conversation and getting the city's approval done. And I was like, that's why they're landing the larger life science company that's going to deploy 10 ,000 people. So I'm a big advocate for embracing new technology, embracing that change. And another thought that I had on what you said, I was talking to a community development director in a mid -sized city along 880 yesterday, and he said, there's a lot of people in their town that distrust government, but they have some entrepreneurs who have great ideas, some small business owners that could expand and could benefit. And we talked a lot about how to outreach to them. And I said, you got to go to who do they trust? They do trust somebody unless they're a hermit. It might be at their church. It might be, you know, which might be in Chinese or Vietnamese or in Spanish, as well as in English. It's getting in front of who do they trust and using them as a middle partner to provide those resources. And that's not easy for government to do, especially at a time when a lot of cities are short -staffed. I like that you're at least thinking about that in panel on both of those issues, fast -tracking permits or automating systems, as well as doing that community outreach to a diverse town. Well, we're thinking about that, we being the councils that I've served on since 2018, a bit with a bit more attention to that, given that we may come from different backgrounds, not necessarily economic development ourselves. And so we rely, at least I know that I rely on the expertise of the staff, as few of them as there may be, who are there full time to bring to us as council members the current best practices, if you will, or within the trends in economic development relative to cities our size. And not only as they exist here in the Bay Area, but throughout the country, throughout the world, you know, we're not unique necessarily. We'd like to believe in some regards we are, but we're not unique when it comes to environmental issues, psychosocial issues, political issues necessarily. And so borrowing from the good lessons learned from others and doing as best as we can, given our circumstances is one approach. And also even admitting to, and I was having this conversation with someone recently, admitting to the fact that some approaches have not worked and revisiting those and being willing to do that and to discuss the possibility of seeing something in a different light. You know, getting back to the size that we are and how we're a relatively small city with the population that covers around 19 ,000 and with population increases in the next 10 years or so, not being regarded as high. And then after that, really just on a moderate level compared to other parts of the East Bay and our neighbors, San Francisco, is that we have been pretty much built out. So the constraint then is also what available land space we have. And in my opinion, my interest is absolutely necessary to balance what gets developed, whether it's commercial or housing development, with the natural amenities that exist. And it gets back to what is quality of life. And there may be different perspectives about that, but overall, and I think since we have experienced the pandemic, we have generally gotten a greater appreciation for the importance of having available to anyone. And that means public space, not private areas, but public space where families and anyone, the bodies of babies, can access and enjoy. We're fortunate that East Bay Park District is a neighbor to us and a partner to us in maintaining those open spaces. And we can avail ourselves of those and can know their number of walking trails. And I'm pleased and so happy to know that we have a creek, a watershed, that traverses the town for about 10 miles. So it's beyond the land, the land size of Pinellas, about five miles. And that creek gives character, as well as life, to the town.
"boxing" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Well, by the way, if you've been watching the Tyson Fury Netflix documentary, Tyson Fury, I don't think he's ever going to retire, ever. He's going to say he's retiring until we're all dead, probably, but yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Fury-Usyk negotiations fell apart over rematch clause, right? They were okay on the initial, I guess there was some back and forth because Saudi Arabia first, and then it's in the UK, but it was more towards the end, it was about a rematch clause. It's a long way of saying, I think this fight can be resuscitated. And I agree with you, if you're Tyson Fury and you're watching Usyk Dubois, you're thinking to yourself, look, Daniel Dubois gave himself a shot to win with a decent borderline body shot there, I'm better than Daniel Dubois. I should be able to handle that version of Usyk. At least that's got to be what you're telling yourself if you're Tyson Fury in that fight. I have no interest whatsoever in Herjavec versus Usyk. I mean, Herjavec, the shine's really come off him over the last couple of fights. The Zhili Zhang fight could have gone either way. His last fight, Dempsey McKeon, whatever, that wasn't all that, it was just a ho-hum kind of performance. Guys like Herjavec, if you get in line and you put yourself in a mandatory position, sure, you should get an opportunity to fight for a world title. But I would definitely like to see the IBF, see everybody allow some negotiations to take place so we can potentially get Usyk versus Fury in the first quarter of 2024. All right, I want to talk about Terence Crawford, who has been on a victory tour since his knockout win over Errol Spence Jr. last month. And while we wait to see if Spence plans to exercise his rematch clause, Crawford has been openly talking about the possibility of facing Canelo Alvarez in his next fight. Here's Crawford discussing it on the three-knockdown rule this week. That would be my opportunity to show everybody how great Terence Crawford really is. If Canelo win that fight and accept my challenge and I come up to 168 and challenge him for undisputed in his weight and that fight happened, then, you know, man, I'm going to just show everybody, you know, that his skills pay the bills and I got the skills to do it all in that ring. So, Keith, I love this fight. I love it so much. I have no interest in, you know, beating up on the Charlo brothers tour. I have no interest in, I really have no interest in a rematch between Crawford and Spence. I do have great interest in seeing if Crawford can move up to 168 and beat Canelo Alvarez if Canelo gets through Jermell Charlo later on in September. I guess let's phrase the question this way. Do you think this fight's realistic? I mean, Crawford is aligned with PBC now. Canelo is aligned with PBC now. We still don't know who Canelo would face in the second fight of his deal. We know Eddie Reynoso has been saying Jermell Charlo is the target, but Jermell Charlo, who the hell knows what's going on with him? Is Crawford Canelo realistic for some time in the first half of 2024? It depends on who you ask. If you ask Terence Crawford, it absolutely is. If you ask Canelo Alvarez, it absolutely isn't. So Canelo feels like if he fights Crawford and he wins the fight, he'll get no credit because he'll have fought a guy who moved up three weight classes because he said unequivocally he is not moving down to 160 to 162 to 160. He's not moving down. So the fight would have to be at 168, which Crawford says that he is okay with doing. And that takes a lot of balls. I mean, not that I didn't think Terence Crawford didn't have that to begin with, but that's really saying something to move up three weight classes. I guess you could look at it this way, Chris. There was a time, now the fight was offered to Canelo to fight Errol Spence at once. I think it was 164, I believe. And that fight was offered to him and he didn't do it. And I think I remember him saying also, well, I'm not really going to get credit because he's a welterweight moving up and all that kind of, but he didn't completely dismiss it, I guess. I mean, it was something that, oh, who knows what could happen in the future. So I guess if you look at it that way, well, if he could have fought Errol Spence, he could fight the guy who beat up Errol Spence, you would think. But Canelo has been pretty adamant about this, that he is not going to fight Crawford because he just thinks that it's a bridge too far for Crawford and he's not going to get credit for doing it and kind of what is the purpose of him doing it because he can make a lot of money fighting other guys. Maybe he's got his heart set on us because of course he feels like beating Jermell Charlo, no questions asked, who that second opponent would be. Maybe he's got his mind made up as it relates to that. Of course, he's not sharing that with us, but maybe he feels he knows who that second opponent is and he's not going to entertain Crawford. And then Crawford could be bound to this rematch with Spence anyway, which could take you through the beginning of 2024 and then, you know, Canelo is probably not going to fight until May anyway, so it would align that way. I would like to be more positive about it, Chris, because, you know, just for the sake of history, I'd love to see if Terrence Crawford could pull that off. I mean, every time they say Terrence Crawford can't do something, he goes and does it. I mean, this is a big ask. I mean, to move up 21 pounds to go beat Canelo is a big ask, but he might have another. What if Jermell Charlo wins? I know that you feel that he has zero chance to win. I understand that. Let's just say he wins. Well, then you have the guy who beat Canelo who has this rivalry with Crawford and is a stable mate of Errol Spence. Well, then you've really got some drama there, right? And Jermell Charlo, I would think, wouldn't demand that he comes up to 168 pounds and then Crawford only has to come up how much of a weight they decide on, he would come up. Well, then you have Canelo still the biggest star in boxing. I'm not discounting that as it relates to who Crawford could fight, and it would be a much bigger fight if he fought Canelo because Canelo, again, the biggest star in American boxing. But imagine if Charlo wins, well, he'd have to beat Canelo twice because there's a rematch clause in the contract, so let's start with that. He's got to beat him twice. So Crawford will have to fight someone in between if that were to happen. But I don't think that if Canelo, the favorite fighter, does win, I don't think that Terence Crawford is going to be Canelo's next opponent as part of his three-fight deal with PBC. Well, thanks for throwing some cold water on that, Keith. Good to talk to you. I'm here to bring reality to the podcast, my friend. Come on. Well, hey, speaking of reality, I don't believe Jermell Charlo can win. I've said this before. I'll say it again. I see no pathway to victory for him. I saw a guy that got beat up pretty good by Bryan Castano. I think Canelo is levels better than Bryan Castano, and I think Canelo is going to do to him what Castano couldn't, and I think he's going to finish him off in that fight. You make a good point about the rematch clause, so we'd have to wait until summer fall of 2024 to potentially get Crawford against Charlo. But if Canelo wins, use the word credit. Does Canelo get more credit for fighting Jermell Charlo in his next fight versus fighting Terence Crawford? Because we'd be talking about a Jermell Charlo that would be at that point close to three years removed from his last fight, if you fast forward to May of 2024, who has not looked impressive in the previous fights he's had. Would he really get less credit for fighting Terence Crawford than he would Jermell Charlo? It's a good point, Chris, but one, I don't think that if Jermell Charlo fights him next, he will go directly into that fight. I think they will find some sort of tune up for him on Showtime or something. He can't go, you know, he can't come off what would be, like you said, almost three full years out of the ring and fight Canelo. Of course, you would have the grudge. Let's say he beats Jermell. You have the grudge match aspect. He's coming to avenge his brother's loss, but if you hear Jermell talk, they're not even on speaking terms now, so I don't know what matters exactly. I mean, things aren't good between them. His girlfriend and his wife got into a fight that they spent outside of the arena. When Jermell was doing the two-city press tour and he was doing a whole bunch of interviews and stuff, he said he at that point had not spoken to Jermell since that happened. I think maybe two or three weeks had gone by from that point. He hadn't spoken to his brother. Regardless, I don't think that Jermell Charlo would go into the Canelo fight if Canelo beats Jermell Charlo and is looking to fight Jermell next. Having said that, who knows how he's going to look in that fight because he didn't look particularly good against Juan Macias Montiel, who was blown out by Carlos Adamas, so I don't know how anyone could say with any certainty what to make of Jermell Charlo at this point in his career. If he comes back and he scores an impressive knockout, at least he would establish some sort of momentum going into that fight, but if it's not him and it's not Crawford, I mean, I don't know who Canelo would fight in that second fight because it's not going to be Benavidez or the winner of the Benavidez-Andrade fight, and it's certainly not going to be David But yeah, I see what you're saying, though, because no one knows what's left of Jermell Charlo at this point, so how could you say you would get more credit for that than beating, who I believe is the number one pound-for-pound fighter in boxing, and I think most people should believe that at this point. It's a good point, but he, again, would have to come up 21 pounds in weight, so that's a huge factor. Canelo, he's a very hard puncher, and he's used to absorbing punches at that weight, and he fought at light heavyweight twice and didn't budge, so again, it's a huge ask of Terrence Crawford, but it would be a fascinating event, a fascinating fight to see if Crawford could do it, but based on the way Canelo is talking about it, I just don't see it happen. You know, I think we, and just speaking abroad, we have to come off the idea that Crawford, you know, would be, everybody would downplay a win over Crawford. Maybe people would after the fact, but I just, I can't get excited about a Jermell Charlo fight, even if Charlo is coming off a win over a Maciej Sileski type. I can't get excited about that. Of the available opponents out there, and I'm excluding Benavidez and excluding Morrell because, as you point out, he's probably not going to fight them in May of 2024. Terrence Crawford, I think, is the most marketable opponent, and I think the opponent that he'd probably get the most credit for, because Terrence Crawford is the number one pound-for-pound guy now, and Canelo Alvarez, he could be sold as former number one pound-for-pound, still believes he's at the top, now fighting the guy who is at the top. I just think there's so many ways to market it, so many ways to sell it, and if Crawford really is willing to do what he says he's willing to do, and I have no reason to doubt him, then that to me is just a phenomenal fight to make. I'm interested to see what happens in the aftermath of the Jermell versus Canelo fight and exactly how the pieces kind of fall into place. I guess the other thing we have to ask is, you know, is Spence going to exercise that rematch clause? Because if he does, this is an entirely moot point, right? Like, do you believe Spence is going to exercise that immediate rematch clause for either later this year or early next year? Well, I've been hearing conflicting things, I would say. I mean, he wants it from a pride standpoint, obviously. He wants his get-back, and there are people that I've spoken to, fighters, managers, trainers, that think that it would be a more competitive fight at 154 pounds. Who knows? Of course, it took a lot out of him to get down to 147 pounds, but I don't think that's wrong for him on 29. I agree. That's what he's going to tell himself, obviously, as a competitor and as someone who's never been in this predicament before, having to come off a devastating lopsided loss like that. Of course, he's going to say that. I don't know that it would be all that different, to be honest with you, but Chris, I just want to circle back to one thing you said related to Canelo, because I agree with a lot of what you said about marketing the fight and the former pound for pound king against the current pound for pound king, and that all makes perfect sense. But let's just say the Canelo-Charlow fight goes the way that you expect it to go, and Canelo wins convincingly. Okay, he just beat a 54-pounder. His next fight's going to be against a 47-pounder, and then let's just say he beats him. Who's he going to fight next, Tank? At a certain point, people are going to say, well, why do you keep fighting guys who are all these weight classes below you? Now, Terrence Crawford, in my opinion, is better than Jarmel Charlo, but you're not going to keep going down. And also, if you're Al Heyman and Showtime and you're trying to maximize this multi-fight deal with Canelo, I mean, continually having him fight guys with lower weight classes, I don't think is the way to really captivate the public. The Crawford fight is an anomaly for obvious reasons, right? But coming off, let's just say he beat Charlo convincingly, then go to the undisputed champion in the lower weight class. I don't know if you can sell that. It's 21 pounds. If they fought at 160 pounds, if they fought at 160, I might buy it more, but 21 pounds, I mean, oof. But you think a Jarmel Charlo fight is more marketable then? You think that's the case? No, I honestly don't want to... Like I said earlier, no one could conceivably say that they know what to make of Jarmel Charlo at this point. I'm not saying that's what you want. I'm just saying that it would be fascinating. I'm not saying I wouldn't want to see it. I'm just saying, does it make sense from a business standpoint for them to do that next? Particularly if he beats Charlo in a way that you and some other people seem to think that he will. I'm not saying he's going to lose. I'm not saying Canelo's going to lose, but I think that's a real fight. So I'll say this, if you're rooting, not you specifically, wants to see Crawford fight Canelo, you really should root for the Charlo-Canelo fight to be competitive. Because if it isn't, I don't see how you sell against a smaller guy. What do you do to maximize? Danny DuBois just fought Oleksandr Usyk in front of 50,000 people. I mean, you could do whatever you want, I guess. You talk about maximize though, Keith, like what does maximize that second fight? I mean, if we kind of assume that Benavidez could be there as the third fight of that deal, what is an ideal situation for PBC and your attainment? I don't see it out there. You'd almost have to enlist like Jaime Munguia from Golden Boy or somebody outside the PBC universe because inside, cross your fingers, nope Demetrius, Android wins. I don't know. I don't know what the opponent is for him there. That's been a problem for months now. We've been talking about this for a while, whether it's going to be Jermall Charlo or somebody else. That second slot has been something of a mystery since Canelo announced this deal. I don't know exactly where he goes in there. Even though there's a 21-pound weight gap, I would get really excited to see Canelo versus Crawford. I think a lot of people out there would too. Now, after the fact, we may say, oh, you beat up on a smaller guy. But going into that fight, I think there would more interest in Canelo versus Crawford than there would be in Canelo versus anyone else, including David Benavidez, I think. Now, we might sit there and agree that Benavidez is a tougher fight. But in terms of marketability, I don't think Benavidez Canelo does better than Canelo versus Crawford. I just think it's on two different levels marketing-wise. I'm not sure about the Benavidez one, Chris, because there's nothing to disparage the Benavidez-Canelo fight. Benavidez is actually bigger. Obviously, they're in the same weight class, but he's the bigger guy. He's the younger guy. But in terms of known commodities, right? People know Crawford now. Of course. Yeah. But again, I don't think you can discount the 21-pound weight advantage that Canelo would have, whereas Benavidez would be viewed as the young killer, the bigger... Now, I'm not saying Benavidez wins that fight. I'm just saying he's a naturally taller guy who's on the come up. He's been fighting as a professional for a very long time for someone who's 26 years old, but he's 26 years old. That's a good question. I think Crawford, because of, like you said, where his marketability is coming off this incredible win and the surge he has enjoyed over the last few weeks, it would do good business. There's business, right? And it would do much better business than most with Crawford involved. And so you make a good point. But I don't know if it would... The Benavidez fight, people really want to see that. And you know how it goes on both sides of it. People build up all this nonsense that doesn't exist, like Canelo's running from Benavidez. He's like, yeah, I mean, the guys want everybody. And I think he'll eventually wind up fighting Benavidez. I mean, it's a good narrative for Benavidez's camp to play off of while you're waiting for this fight. But Demetrius Andrade's not an easy fight, you know? Look out for Demetrius Andrade. I'm quitting this podcast if Andrade beats Benavidez. Jesus Christ. Oh, look out for my guy, Demetrius Andrade. Live dog in that fight against Benavidez. He's going to do some things in that fight that I think will make Benavidez look bad. May not win, but I think he's going to acquit himself well in that fight. That's a conversation for when we get closer to that fight actually being finalized. I want to ask you, Keith, about Jared Anderson, what we saw from him this past weekend. Picked up his second win in the last two months, stopping Andrade Rudenko. Anderson, one of the best heavyweight prospects in all of boxing, maybe the best heavyweight prospect in boxing. He's ranked in the top 10 by three of the four sanctioning bodies, being moved pretty well, and being moved pretty fast by top rank. When you look at his future, we mentioned FA Iqagba. I think that'd be a pretty interesting fight for Jared Anderson. But how close are we getting to Jared Anderson getting a significant fight? Well, I guess we'd have to define significant fight because Usyk and Fury are off the table, right? I mean, those guys, he's not, I don't think he's ready for that necessarily. And I don't think he's in position to make that happen right now based on what they have going on. So yeah, then who does he fight who's not too dangerous? Because look, he can tell you all he wants that he wasn't hurt by Charles Martin. He was hurt not once. He was hurt twice by Charles Martin in the fifth round. The middle minute of the fifth round, he was buzzed by the left hand and he responded very well to it. And maybe it was a little lack of focus toward the end of the 10th round. But he got rocked with another left hand where if Charles Martin had another 20 or 30 seconds to try to follow up on that, the conclusion might have been different. So he was hurt twice by and there's no shame in getting hurt by Charles. Charles Martin is a huge puncher. I mean, he's, you know, people think what they think about Charles Martin based on the Anthony Joshua fight, but he's a huge puncher. Big guy, almost had Luis Ortiz out and has been a solid heavyweight. So it was a good comeback win for Jared Anderson. You know, he did what he was supposed to do with Rodaico who had never really been stopped, stopped. You know what I mean? So it was a good win for Jared Anderson and exactly what he needed. And he came back on only seven weeks, you know, only seven weeks after he fought the toughest fight of his career and went 10 rounds for the first time. So give him credit for that. So who does he fight, Chris? Really? I mean, because they were, look from the top rank perspective, they were at, if it wasn't next, it was going to be the following fight. He was going to fight Zon Kasabutski if Kasabutski beat FA Jogba. Now, obviously people would say, well, then why can't you just make FA Jogba against Jared Anderson? Well, because they have the same management team they're friendly. And I know people hate hearing the friendship stuff because you know, that's the boxing business basically, right? And a lot of friends have fought each other, but they do have the same management team looking out for their interests and everything. And they both have kind of said that they're not going to fight each other. So the fact that Kasabutski did just utterly baffling things on Saturday night and through his career down the drain for the most part. So they don't have that built-in guy with top rank for Jared Anderson to fight right now. So it's going to be interesting to see who, because he's going to fight probably one more time before the end of the year. And if he does that, it's going to be interesting to see because Kasabutski is no longer available to him. And FA Jogba is not for the reasons I just mentioned. Where do you go? Right? Do you bring a British heavyweight over? I don't know. I don't know who you bring over to fight him. Probably have to. I mean, you probably have to, you have to look overseas where there are some heavyweight options. I mean, I don't know if he's ready for like a Joseph Parker. I'd love to see that fight. Maybe a little bit too far at this point for Jared Anderson. That's a really good, I think, heavyweight fight. Here's one for you, Chris, how about this? Okay. Jalee Zhang beats Joe Joyce again on September 23rd, which well could happen. Frank Warren is Jalee Zhang's promoter who works with Bob Aaron. Would they put, would they put after what happened with another strong southpaw, another older strong southpaw, would they put Jared Anderson in the ring for an opportunity to win one of the interim titles and then become a mandatory? And would they pay Jalee Zhang enough money to make that happen? I would like to see that. Let me tell you something. Do respect that Jared Anderson, but if Jalee Zhang beats Joe Joyce again, I wouldn't make Jared Anderson a favorite in that fight. I think Jalee Zhang wins. I think he's too strong and you can't knock Jalee Zhang out. Like he's just too big and he's got too good a chance. I know this is talk for a few weeks down the road because the fight's September 23rd, but guy's been training in New Jersey for 10 years and Lou Duva told me a very long time ago, there's something special about this guy and he's going to speak any English, but he does. And, uh, he, you know, he knows that he's not a real, real world champion, but he's on the cusp of making something pretty special happen. Um, and you know, people think negative things about him because of what happened in the Jerry forest fight. And they feel that he faded against her garbage when he probably could have won that fight and everything. But look, the top ranked matchmakers are entirely too smart from that. For that, I'm not saying that they're going to sign off on Jared Anderson fighting Jalee Zhang, even though he's 40 years old at this point, I don't understand they're going to do that. I'm just saying it would be an appealing option if we're looking for appealing options. I agree. I'd love to see that fight and Jared Anderson would have to box in that fight because you're not putting Jalee Zhang down. I mean, I was there for the forest fight where it was not to rehash it, but that was a whole confluence of bad events for Jalee Zhang that led to him looking as bad as he did. Uh, I thought he won the Hargovitch fight. It was close. I thought he lefts on Joe Joyce and busting up his face. That's who Jalee Zhang is. He has got blunt power with that left hand and he has got a good chin. So that would be an incredibly appealing fight. And you know, good for top rank, good for Jared Anderson if they did go in that direction. But that certainly is one to watch after the Joyce Zhang fight later on in September. Last thing for you, Keith, I want to just, we saw the WBC order something recently. I want to drop this on you real quick. Um, Shakur Stevenson, Frank Martin, when I saw that, I, you know, I, I don't want to get excited about a potential big fight when two fighters are promoted by rival entities and fight on opposing platforms. But correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's a purse bid schedule for what next week. And I'm dying to see if who goes through with it. I mean, I've checked in with a few people on both sides. I don't think there's any certainty on if this comes to a purse bid, if we'll get, you know, both sides going through with that purse bid. But of course, Stevenson, Frank Martin on paper, tremendous fight. What are the chances you think we get that fight for the WBC right way title? Well, I really hope we do Chris, because it's a look, it's it's in terms of what's available. It's about as good as Shakur Stevenson is going to do next, right? Because Devin Haney's moving up to 140. Excuse me, the tank fight is not going to obviously not going to happen next. It's a pretty good fight, right? Martin didn't look good, particularly let me backtrack. He didn't look as good in his last fight, as he did in his in his previous fight against Michelle Rivera. And he was in with a guy who had a lot of experience, a lot of Olympic experience and amateur experience and everything. And he learned something from it. The shine is a little off of him, maybe, you know, based on how good he looked against Michelle Rivera, but he'll give Shakur Stevenson a real fight. Now, Shakur, I think is on another level and would win but I would much rather see that than see Shakur fight an in house guy and Jermaine Ortiz is very good, but you know, just had all this trouble making weight and everything and probably shouldn't be rewarded for that by fighting Shakur Stevenson next. But I would rather see that than an in house top rank fight. So let's see how they go about it. It's a very costly fight for whoever wins that purse bid. You have to pay a lot of money because Shakur Stevenson's minimums are high. And it was my understanding that they were when they were negotiating before the WBC ordered the the purse bid, which is scheduled for September 5, the Tuesday after Labor Day, they were far enough apart on money to necessitate a purse bid, I guess, for what to satisfy Frank Martin side of it. The fight would be if top rank promotes the fight, it would be on ESPN. The on a Thursday night of all nights on a Thursday night in November, before the Formula One Grand Prix race in Vegas, the next two days or three days after that, I believe it is. It's an interesting fight. I would favor Shakur and I would favor Shakur Stevenson against, you know, most lightweights. I'd love to see him fight Tank Davis at some point. That really, that's a pick of it to me. But I would favor Shakur against most anybody else in the lightweight division, including Frank Martin, but it's a very good fight. Yeah, as far as lightweight opponents go, Frank Martin would be, you know, the best that Shakur has faced up until this point. It would just be a really compelling match up of two undefeated young 135 pounders. This is the kind of cross promotional fight that boxing needs to make more of. It's one of those situations too, Keith, where it's like, you know, if that purse bid happens, and there is a result, somebody wins. If you walk away from that fight, the other guy has a chance to call you a ducker, the guy can say you're ducking. Like there was a purse bid, your promoter had a chance to put up a bunch of money to win that purse bid. I believe, is the split 50-50 for something like that? That's a good question because I'm trying to remember where Martin is. I forgot. But either way, they'd make a boatload of money. You get to be in a marquee fight. I'd love to see it. I think that's a terrific fight between two top guys at 135. Undefeated. I love what I've seen from Frank Martin. That last fight, notwithstanding, I think that was, I don't think that was an example of the real Frank Martin. I think the Michelle Rivera fight was probably more a look at the real Frank Martin, where Shakur has been great every single time he's been out. So I'm all in. No, it's an excellent fight, Chris. And like you said, we could use more. And top rank has shown, and when necessary, you see us in fighters over there as well as opponents and such. And in this case, Frank Martin would have to be considered the opponent. I mean, Shakur is the star and Frank Martin would be the underdog in the fight. So it could be worth PBC's while because they want a big fight for Frank Martin and they wouldn't have to pay for it if it goes, if it went on the ESPN side. From top ranks perspective, they would have to bid a lot of money because they could not afford from a public relations standpoint to lose Shakur Stevenson even for a fight to PBC if they were to get outbid by Al Heyman and TGB, which would represent Al at the purse bid. You don't think it's worth it? I mean, not that it's the same thing, but I remember when, well, I mean, for one fight, like I remember when Lomachenko fought Gary Russell. I know it's not the same thing. That was very early in Lomachenko's career, but that fight was on Showtime. And that was at the time kind of the marquee win of Lomachenko's career. I just, I don't think the top rank, I don't think it's catastrophic. If for one fight Shakur Stevenson goes over, you know, gets a win, then comes back to ESPN and top rank. I just don't know that it's so damaging to their brand. Maybe not catastrophic, but they will not want that to happen, obviously, because they have the financial wherewithal to make sure that it stays on ESPN. So I think they would do everything in their power to make that happen. But then it's like, you don't know how much the other, in this case, you don't know how much the other side is willing to bid because it would be a coup, a minor coup, I guess, for the PBC Showtime side of it to steal Shakur Stevenson away from top ranking ESPN for one fight.
"boxing" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"Audience. It won't surprise you, but I mean, in the last couple of months, I've heard from a number of different HBO people who said, wow, this reminds me of kind of what happened with us back in 2017 in 2018. Do you see a difference a specific difference in kind of what HBO went through that led to the elimination of boxing over there and the restructuring that you're going through now? I could see how someone could draw that conclusion. I think the difference is I think what we saw HBO was not really a sudden end. It seemed to be a little prolonged. So it sort of wound down over a period of two to three years. That's not what we're experiencing here. I think last year was one of our biggest years in terms of content spending this year is going to be bigger than that. So from that perspective, we're not really winding down. Who knows what the future of the media business is and all that, but that is that's something that is there every day. But in terms of this company itself, we haven't seen anything that hints to us that things are winding down. Do you think there's an obvious, I'm always fascinated by what is the future of boxing broadcasting, like where is it on what platform? Because showtime right now going through every structuring to zone just had a price increase that was extremely significant. ESPN is still putting on fights, but ESPN also has to pay the NBA in a couple of years. They have to pay UFC in a couple of years. I don't know how that's going to affect their boxing programming. I just doesn't seem like you can point to something that absolutely positively works. Do you think there is something out there, a model that absolutely positively works that can be sustainable, that can be successful that can be something boxing can hold on to. I mean, it is a really great question. And a question that I think that the two boxing events should be asking, we know that there have been challenges with ad supported purely ad supported boxing and I think we can get a better job. We should do and can do a better job attracting sponsors to the sport, but that's one of the challenges. I think it's got to be a combination of a broad potentially ad based platform as well as subscription because I don't think either one by itself is enough to support the entire sport. And I think you point out to another dynamic sort of implicitly. Which is, you know, as all these other sports become exponentially more expensive. And at a time where there are economic pressures. Some of the niche sports may be squeezed out. And that is a risk not just for boxing, but for everything else. The big sports rights are just continuing to explode in cost. Now, having said all of that, you know, we've been here for nearly 40 years. And we weathered a lot of storms, a lot of transitions in the market. And I'd like to thank you and we are confident, in fact, that we'll figure it out. We'll figure it out. We figured out the transition to streaming. We're still a market leader. We'll continue to figure out and adjust as the market changes. Steven, I appreciate your time, man. The showtime schedule pretty strong all went through June and day. We've got a bunch of more fights to announce over the next couple of months. And Sergio and I have decided we're going to do a pirate broadcast on the parking lot of Garcia Davis. We'll get you in the arena. We're going to handle that. No, we're going to do a post fight interview with Sean Garcia afterwards. And we're going to do our own version with like a banner and a couple of folding chairs in the park. I know a guy Gary Davis that you can also interview if you'd like to do that. By the way, last thing, are you no venues been announced yet? I mean, Vegas has a lot of different options out there. Is there one more likely than other at the moment as we tape this on March 1st? I think we're probably looking at the sort of default is MGM T mobile and potentially legion. I would say just because of the size and the demand of the fight, probably that would lean toward a T mobile or legion. And we've had conversations with both. There are some challenges going to football stating because sort of novel and exciting as that would be. But I think it comes out to one of those two videos. Yeah, everybody kind of wants that football stadium experience. I'll say this. I know it's cool kind of from a television perspective. You remember those cowboy stadium fights? Like, they weren't very good. People were watching the fight on the big screen and not 55,000 is great. I mean, we just did, I was part of the one at AT&T Stadium, 76,000, but you're watching fights on the screen. You're on TV, paying high price for beer, sitting in your seat. Yeah, you know, there are ups and downs and the reality, obviously once you get to the risers, you're much further away from the brain than you would be if you were in the risers in your arena, obviously. So there's some downsides. And those are all the kinds of things that are being discussed. Everything from the cost of being the arena, some of the upgrades that would be necessary because look, in AT&T Stadium, we've got the advantage of that huge center hung scoreboard. Allegiant doesn't have those. They just have hands on. So you don't want to set up a scenario where everybody who's at the fight is constantly looking this way. And that way, rather than at least you can, with the center home. Now there's obviously solutions, but those are the types of challenges that you encounter. Well, either way, it's going to be a massive event, two guys that draw big crowd. It can be with you. You can always get me, Chris. 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"boxing" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"That movie could not go on without my presence. So I just put off the docks appointment till Tuesday, knowing that whatever the news was going to be, it wasn't going to be good. Put on my shoe, took a bunch of Tylenol, muscled through it, and yesterday or Tuesday I should say, got the bad news that I'll be in a boot for 6 weeks, so when I am on air on March 18th, for the Gabe rosado Gilberto Ramirez tilt in Southern California, from the feet down, I will be in or from the knee down, I'll be with a boot on my left foot, so. I just watched this is my dedication, Jake to this podcast that I am playing hurt, playing through pain in this one. I gotta say, listen, I have experience in this realm. I have called a fight several fights with a boot on before, and my first date with my now wife was also in a boot. So there's hope for you, Chris. Some good things can come out of this era. That's very, very descriptive Corey. I appreciate that. All right, well, a lot to get into, guys. I do want to talk about a couple of events of this past week and a couple of other things coming up. Plus the future of PBC, Stephen espinoza, the president of the showtime sports. He joins me a little bit later in the show and we address some of those topics, but I want to start with the topic that makes the boxing purist cry. Jake Paul, the now once beaten professional boxer, 6 and one after his decision defeat to Tommy Fury over in Saudi Arabia. Close fight, competitive fight, not to criticize any of my fellow broadcasting peers, but I don't think it was a high level fight by any stretch that was sloppy and the one knocked down had as much to do with the ring apron being slippery in that one spot as it did a power punch from Jake Paul. So Jake Donovan, we'll start with you. Your impression of the fight did it go how you expected that anything surprised you, what were your takeaways from Paul fury part one? Part one, exactly. Well, I will say, look, I was on record saying, I thought Jake Paul was going to win. So people were clowning Tommy Fury for celebrating as he won, you know, he matched Tyson Fury's achievement winning the heavyweight championship. This is his heavyweight championship. This is the biggest fight he is ever going to win. Maybe he goes on to beat KSI or another YouTuber. This is his level. So that's really the only aspect that surprised me. I don't know if Tommy was at his best. I don't know. To me, it kind of looked like Jake was at his worst. So that did surprise me a little bit. I always said, even I was ringside. I think all three of us were ringside for his pro debut, three years ago. And I always said that he was going to evolve to be far among the best YouTubers that he couldn't compete on that circuit because he was too good. So this was like the first time we saw him take a step backwards, I thought. Maybe with the first Tyron Woodley fight, but this one in particular, it was still competitive though. So, you know, the dare was go fight a pro boxer. He fought a pro boxer. I don't think there's a case for him to have won the fight. I was a little surprised that it was a split decision, but not really, because it's boxing. I thought Tommy Fury did clearly win. But it was competitive. So I didn't think he disgraced himself in any regard. I think all three of us can it just wasn't, I guess it was entertaining in its own way, just not in the sense of an entertaining boxing match. Corey, what'd you think? Yeah, I thought that this was a good competitive club level boxing match, which is not coming from me, that is not a pejorative in any way. As I wrote about on Fox and Steve dot com, this is like Jake Paul is probably in, I would say like the top 50% of active boxers globally, right? Like the boxing that we tend to see on the major broadcast outlets here is like the top 5% of boxers globally. You know, maybe 10%. And some guys will kind of slip in here and there on the undercards. But for Jake Paul to have taken up the sport three years ago and to be able to compete with someone like Tommy Fury who has boxed his entire life is, as I wrote, probably at this point, kind of like a UK area level title contender type guy right now. He probably wouldn't win a European title today, but maybe that's kind of like a ceiling, but he could aim for. Might even be too high. But even for Paul to compete with someone like that, is still impressive. Now, people don't want to talk about that too much because it's a lot more fun to clown Jake Paul. And quite frankly, there's probably more currency in clowning Jake Paul. But for what this boxing match was, it was a competitive club level boxing match on the biggest possible stage that you could put something like that. Jake, does the outcome of a fight usually dictates whether or not there'll be a rematch. Now Jake Paul does have a rematch clause. I don't know what the appetite would be for country like Saudi Arabia or another Middle Eastern location to put on our rematch. Let's be real. That's where most of the money came from for this flight. The big purse is both of them got. It obviously generates some money on pay per view. Probably a lot more money on pay per view with the UK than it did in the U.S. given the timing of it. 50 bucks is pretty expensive for like a 5 o'clock Eastern Time main event. So are you expect there to be a rematch? Jake Paul said, we're going to run it back and if there is a is there a chance the outcome could be different and B is there going to be do you think an appetite for it? I do think the upcome can be different. The appetite that depends. Maybe there will be one there's an audience that wants to see if Jake Paul can overcome, you know, adversity. To me, I always felt like he was playing with house money anyway. I don't think maybe we'll get into this later, but I don't think the loss necessarily hurts him. Most people tend to why he has deployed by their effect, except on a much lower, lower level where people just kind of watch to see him lose. They pay to, you know, he always gets booed everywhere he goes. So I think there's always going to be that interest in his career. Tommy Fury, I don't see why he wouldn't take it. You know, I mean, if he's enforced, my curiosity is where it lands, it obviously can't take place in the U.S., you know, the fury family has a lot to figure out in that regard. So it takes a good fight wherever he wants Tommy is limited. And outside of a Jake Paul rematch, he's not going to make a lot of money unless he fights someone like KSI. So he's going to have to push all in for that. I just don't know. Everyone was certainly watching on Sunday, you know? So, you know, people do pay attention when Jake Paul fights, but we kind of seen it. It's like, I don't know, even with Paul and woodley. I thought the rematch was far less watchable, up until that sensational knockout. That saved it. Up until then, that fight was, in my opinion, horrible. So I just don't know if anything could change from the first fight. Other than, you know, a better condition, Jake Paul, which obviously, you know, probably
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At the theater at Madison Square Garden, she's also one half of what I think is the best rivalry in all of boxing men's or women's the blood feud with Michaela Mayer and Alicia kind enough to join me here on the show. Is that fair? The best rivalry in boxing. I don't know if this is even close right now. I would say in boxing period, yes. It's men's are women's. Like, are you surprised it's risen? Like it's a combination of events, right? It was the build up to the last fight, the cancellation, the build up again, and then how close the fight was. It's just become a monster in boxing. Yes, it tells a story. And if you go back and like you mentioned, you know, having the fight in London, the cancellation, the comeback, the more animosity between us too, and then obviously me becoming unified. It tells a whole story and it's great for boxing. Well, the last event you two were at together in Arizona where props got involved. It was great too. And that's just perfect social media content. Yeah, yeah, that was great too. Do you savor kind of being in, you know, you are now, you were the hunter back then going after her and now you are squarely the hunted at this point and you kind of have a lot of the power in this situation. Yeah, you know, I just feel like eventually the roles we're going to switch. I was going to be the one being hunted and I knew that that was coming. But I'm well prepared though. And I like that somebody wants to fight me. Somebody wants to challenge me because that's who I am. I'm a competitor and I love a challenge. How was the last year or so kind of changed your life? Because you've been boxing for a while, but you really burst on the scene with the Terry Harper knockout that went viral because of how spectacular it was. And then, you know, you win a fight against mikaela, fight that I think as many people, at least in the U.S., we're looking forward to as much as they were shields Marshall. How much has that changed your entire career, your entire life? Yeah, I would say just within a year, it's changed tremendously just with boxing outside of boxing, just to recognition that women's boxing is getting and how much eyes we have put on the sport. I tell everybody, this is a movement. This is a movement that I'm part of that every woman who stepped in the ring as a part of. And so it's not just what is it doing for my career, but what am I doing for the sport? What am I doing to be an inspiration to young girls and just the younger generation to look up to? How much do you see that? Because at a lot of women's fights where top women are on the card, you do see a lot of young girls in the crowd wearing a T-shirt with your name on it or running up to get a picture. How much are you seeing that more and more over the last couple of years? Yeah, I've seen it so much. I was actually when I was in Arizona, I trained with two amateur girls and we went for a run and I thought it was just awesome just seeing these young girls like I was at that age, you know, striving to be great at something and I think it's just it reminds me of who I was as a young girl. I'm like, wow, I'm just seeing it more and more now and because of the women in front of us in front of me has given me that platform that inspiration now I'm able to give that back and that's what it's about. Could you imagine when you were young and coming up that this would be not the endgame for you because you got a lot more years to go, but fighting at the garden in co main event type of situation for an undisputed championship even in your best case scenario was this up there on it or was this there? I've never seen this. Like everything that I'm witnessing and experiencing is something so new and something I would never even thought of, but I think that's what's great about just the journey and the process that what you think you want God has something better and I'm just like, I see the bigger picture now. It's always, what is the bigger picture? You talk about the journey and I was watching some video of your story and I was looking at the on your fridge. You have a bunch of notes up there. Tell me about that. Tell me about how that started and how many notes eventually wound up on your fridge. Yeah, so I actually write, I have been journaling for years. Just as a young girl and I just know smart turned that into a book someday. Yeah, yeah. And I just know how important it is to speak about it right about it and really visualize your life-changing in those times. And I've had written so many things that have came to fruition and I'm just blessed and so as I was preparing for this fight with Michaela, you know, I would write on a stick, you know, unify world champion, Michaela Mayer is getting knocked out just to remind me why I am here and what that reason is. And it motivates me every day. And it just makes me read it, visualize it and just put it out there. Is this fight feel this fight coming up for undisputed? Just feel like everything you've worked for to be in something like this? Yes, it feels like I can take a deep breath. Okay, got past that level, this level, now I'm here, here's another level, another challenge. What are we going to do different, how are we going to be better and how can we make a statement? What brought you to Detroit? I mean, you train out of there, Tony's gym, Tony Harris, and your trainer, again, as I told you, one of my favorite fighters of all time, great guy. What brought you to that gym? Yeah, so just coming from a small town in Ohio, I had to know I had to move. I had to get out of this small town to make something on myself. And the next big city was Detroit. And so I knew that Detroit was a place for opportunity, a place of grit that I've already had and so I made my way through Detroit went to a few gyms and ended up at superbad and just really made my mark there and a home there. It's rare that a fighter is trained by another active fighter. I mean, Tony's gonna fight for an interim title in a couple of months in Australia. Do you see that? What are the benefits of that, I guess, having someone close to your age who's active in your corner? Many benefits, you know, I would have never thought that I would have, you know, a fighter as my trainer as well, but it works perfectly. And I think because as a fighter, we have a different type of mentality, a different mindset when we're going into a fight, even when we're sparring and what we're seeing, what Tony seeing. He has, you know, a trainer's eye just like his father did. And I think that helps him as well as it helps me. And so it just matches. It just works. And as long as it works in the corner, he's giving me instructions. I listen and I can go do it.
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"System play out. And if they let this fight continue there, enabling them. And this is what happens with bad boys, not only in boxing, but in any sport. You know, you get these kids from urban areas that make millions and millions of dollars and then when they get in trouble, they don't get the book thrown at them. Like a normal kid off the street, they get protected by fancy attorneys by networks by lawyers by their team, their management, their PR and good for them.
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"And that almost turned into just as an aside. That almost turned into the main story for the romanenko would have lost. I mean, and you could argue even he didn't lose and it still might have been the most noteworthy story of the night that a 25 to one underdog gave him such a tough fight. Anyway, I would say to the boxing fans, you might not like it, and I understand why they don't like it. It's annoying. They don't consider it real boxing. We hear all of the arguments against it, Chris, but it is gaining a lot of attention. I would say that Jake Paul is really committed to being a boxer. Now I don't we don't know how far he can go. We don't know, you know, he's, I don't know, do you even consider him a real? I don't know what to call him, to be honest with you, because again, he's not fighting. I consider, I consider him a real boxer only because. No, I meant a real, of course, he's a real. No, no, no, not a problem. Not a problem. No, that's right. He's got a ceiling. He knows he has a ceiling too. Like he wants to go out of the sport at age like 29, and he wants to make a bunch of money, fight these guys. And then as I said earlier, test himself wants at a really high level and which makes sense see what happens. So I don't see him as a prospect, but to your point, he does drive traffic, you know, people are interested in Jake Paul a lot more than they're interested in a lot of other things in boxing. And to your point, Chris, if they hate him, like Floyd Mayweather would always say, I don't care why they're buying it. If they're buying it to see me get knocked out eventually, well, fine, but they're still he played the villain and Jake Paul's listen. Whatever you think of Jake Paul is a boxer. There is absolutely no disputing that this kid is smart, savvy, and they've done something here that no one would have foreseen 5 years ago.
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"We're 20 years removed from the same rockman pulling off one of the biggest upsets in heavyweight history. And he has seen rockman June of course as the son of a former heavyweight champion, which means something, but again, he's been a guy who hasn't taken his own father, said he hasn't taken training seriously. He's underachieved. His dad said that during the press conference for their fight. So it's not somewhat while he is a quote unquote real boxer. He's not a high level. He's not even considered a real prospect after losing back in April. So yeah, he's in a tricky position, Chris, because if they can make the Nate Diaz fight, that will be the next fight for him because Nate Diaz is a very popular former UFC fighter. From the boxing fan's perspective, they're going to say, all right, well, you already beat a 47 year old, you form a UFC fighter. All right, so now you're fighting a 37 year old former UFC fighter who's a worse boxer, but ten years younger. The point is we've already seen you beat multiple former UFC fighters, but again, there is a demand for this. You know, I saw it. I was there or the other. Now, the reason that he has to go to former UFC fighters in UFC, you know, the most popular, you know, Ben Askren was not a popular UFC fighter that was a little different, but Tyron Woodley was popular, but Anderson Silva is a legend. And Nate Diaz, well, not as successful or good as Anderson Silva, either an MMA or probably boxing, is a very, very popular figure. When Nate Diaz walked into the building on Saturday night, people erupted, and that's the other thing need that other faction of fans to make these events successful because I gotta be honest when Jake Paul got as far as I could tell, you're not doing a headcount, of course while you're on deadline just sitting there. But as far as I can tell, Jake Paul got booed on Saturday night, a lot more than he got cheered because there were a lot of MMA while you and I are not big MMA fans or supporters or whatever.
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"I thought Jake fought a pretty smart fight against Anderson Silva. I guess the question I have for you and you've watched the most the recent Jake Paul fights, the woodley fights and the stuff before it. Are you seeing improvements in the guy you're seeing in the ring beyond just the conditioning? Certainly, I mean, certainly see technical improvements, like you said, some defensive improvements. A couple of the things that I did not love in the fight, Chris. He held a lot. He initiated a lot of clinches. He does have a good chin because Anderson Silva can crack a little bit. He's a big, strong guy. And he did clip him with flush punches several times and Jake Paul took those shots well. But almost every time he got hit clean, he initiated a clinch that gets a little tough to watch sometimes when a guy's doing that. All part of a sport, of course, and it's a defensive tactic that many guys employ effectively. And the woodley fight wasn't the woodley fight wasn't all that appealing either. Like the woodley fight had a great finish, but it was a slog for most of it up until that one punch knockout. Absolutely. You know, the fight was, I thought the fight was reasonably entertaining. I mean, you know, he fought off his back foot almost exclusively, silver pressed the action for the most part, but it was a reasonably entertaining fight I thought, you know, a step forward for a guy who only has 6 fights. You almost don't know how to fairly assess what he's doing because this is unprecedented. A guy doesn't come in out of nowhere with no boxing background and headline pay per view events and it makes it maybe frustrating and annoying for hardcore boxing fans because there's a level of attention that is paid to this that they would prefer not to have happened and they prefer people just to ignore him, but you can't ignore it because it's a, it's a business model that I didn't think could have existed several years ago, but it is successful and they are making money off of it and that's why showtime is in the Jake Paul business. That's why there is a Jake Paul business. So until someone knocks him off and maybe Nate Diaz will be that guy, you know, maybe someone else will be that guy, but you know, the other thing I would say, Kris, as it relates to him fighting Anderson Silva, there was a lot of talk about him fighting a quote
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"Corner. This is boxing with Chris Manning. Now somebody punch him in the face. Anthony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. Watch this. Hosted by SI's Chris mannix. That was my moment. Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris mannix. All right, bonus podcast time. It was a busy weekend in boxing that was highlighted by Jake Paul. The novice boxer taking on Anderson Silva in Arizona. Jake Paul wins a
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"Make every moment more this season with FanDuel, the official sportsbook partner of the NBA. And just to give you something else, don't bet in the Lakers this year, it's not a good bet. Time now for this week's picks brought to you by FanDuel and I am locked in this week on the pay per view in Arizona. Jake Paul against Anderson Silva, the problem child against the spider, the odds for this fight right now are pretty close. Jake Paul is at minus one 90 to win. Anderson Silva, a plus one 52 underdog. I like Jake Paul. I think Jake for all his critics is becoming a pretty good boxer. And even though Anderson Silva has that win over Julio César Chávez junior. I just don't like a 47 year old Anderson Silva against a 25 year old Jake Paul. I just think there's too many physical factors in the column of Jake Paul. And I think he wins the spy to take Jake Paul to win at minus one night. If you want to get a little bit of money out of this, if you want to up your odds, look at Jake Paul by knockout. Jay Paul has shown some fantastic power throughout his boxing career. He stopped Tyron Woodley with a one punch knockout in their last flight. Silva, again, has been a durable guy in MMA, but he's 47 years old. And this is an 8 round fight. I don't know if this fight ends with one punch in the way that Jake has stopped woodley and Ben Askren and Nate Robinson. It could also end with Jake just wearing down an older silver, but either way, I think this fight ends with a Jake Paul knockout.
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"This is boxing with Chris Manning. Now somebody punch him in the face. Anthony Joshua is a composed and ferocious finisher. Watch this. Hosted by SI's Chris mannix. That was my moment. Now with interviews, analysis and everything going on in the world of boxing. When you have talent, you are given another chance. Here's Chris mannix. All right. I'm gonna be in a bad. Kevin, I only this year. Yahoo sports, jamel herring, the former 130 pound champion ESPN broadcaster. There's a lot of good things I want to talk about in boxing fellows, but I've had one of those days and we're recording this on Thursday afternoon. And my optimism for arrow Spence Terrence Crawford has never been lower. My optimism for tank Davis against Ryan García has never been lower. We're just back on that endless hamster wheel of boxing where we get excited about stuff and then we're back down once again. I hate it. I hate it. I mean, actually jamelle let me put this to you first. You had you've been close with Terrence for a number of years. You used to be in his camp. What do you think of all this? This is a fight obviously, not going to happen in November. And February, even though that's kind of a penciled end date, still not etched in stone at this point. Are you surprised that we're here right now? No, I mean, no, like I said, I'm actually close to both arrow and bud and all this, but as a fight fan, I will say that it's definitely disappointing. It was definitely disappointing because this fight is one of the first. It's probably one of the most intense but the fights, but it's like one of the most never happened in vice ever when every time every time we think we're getting close, we get pushed back ten, you know, ten steps backwards. So it is frustrating, but hopefully it was no guarantee in February, but we shall see. Kevin, you know what's interesting is that, like, guaranteed money, which often holds up big fights, is not the issue here. Like from what I understand, neither one of these guys is taking a guarantee. They're just taking the big percentages of the purse split. It's something else. There's other ancillary issues that seem to be holding this thing up.
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"I do use my reach a lot of times I'm in the mix on inside. It's just how being confident in what you're doing. Whether it's the inside or the outside. Is there a particularly difficult type of fighter or an opponent that, you know, when you have that kind of height, it's just difficult to fight against, whether it's a much smaller guy or a nimble guy or what's the most difficult kind of opponent for you. I don't really have a difficult point. Just how I'm going to fight that fight. How am I going to use to win the fight? For you, what's happened for you the last few years? Because I watched you coming up the pro ranks. I remember watching the draw that you had back in 2019. You're obviously good, but after watching that fight and some fights for it, I don't know where this guy is going to go. And then in the last year or so, you know, you've showcased incredible power that went over Ericsson lubin was as impressive as they get. One of the best fights that we've seen in the year. What's changed for you the last couple of years, if anything? Rheumatoid. We're still 20 years old when we fuck Clark. You know, I still think I won that fight, of course. But we were still young, you know? A lot of these kids are at 20 years old. They're still fighting people calling three or one in three barely having any fights. Fairly fighting a 6 rounder. And we were already finding a ten rounder. So we're growing. When we're turning more, we're now at 25, we're ready to fight for a title. Everything's lining up now. You mentioned your sister is a pro boxer. She's fighting on this card as well. Do you like that? Does it give you something else to worry about? How do you feel about having your sister fight in your card? I'm excited. I'm excited, you know? She works every camp with me. You know, she's working just as hard, so for her to have this platform to fight on it. It's something she deserves. How does it work there? Do you watch her fight beforehand? Do you have to focus on yours? How does that work for you? I could do both. I could do both. Of course I want to see it. I want to see her fight. It's like watching a good movie and then not seeing the ending. I have to see the ending. I can understand that. I think it'd be impossible to not watch at that point. You are the interim title holder at one 54, the WBC belt. Obviously jamel Charlotte has all the titles at one 54. I mean, do you think he's ever going to fight you? Are you anticipating fighting for a vacant belt someday? Will you wait for a world title shot or go up to one 60? What's kind of your plan over the next year? Well, we'll see what he does after this fight, but hopefully we do get tough fight with them, you know? But I'm not him because the business part of boxing. But we do want to fight him because he's right now he's considered the best one 54. And I like to have that title for myself. If you were him, would you fight him? Would you fight you, I should say. I don't know. You know, 6 foot 6 guys pretty, pretty crazy in the wake class, but you know what? With my mentality, yeah. I like to fire everybody. All right, Sebastian, I want to hit you with some rapid fire questions for a new segment on the show that we are calling the standing 8 count. And the first question is the greatest fighter of all time is who?
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"5, 5, 5, 6, and then all of a sudden I grew up to like 6, 6 feet. Were you an athlete at that point? I mean, I know your parents were boxers. It runs in the family, but were you playing other sports around then? No, only boxing. I was only doing boxing this whole time. So it was cool. It was pretty cool to learn everybody else told them teachers already so. When I would get in trouble, they were probably looked up to me and nagged me from that way. But you must have had a basketball coach come up to you and be like, let's go. Let's play. Every school, every square went to middle school, high school, they always always told me. So, but you know, I never really cared for a sports stuff. So you never even wanted to try it and everyone to go in that direction. I can't even dribble a basketball. So what was it about boxing them? I mean, was it just that your father did it, your mother did it? Obviously your siblings are involved in it, was it just that it's the family business? Well, I saw that they're having fun with it. They're having fun with that. And I was like, well, I want to try. I want to do something fun as well. So that's how it all started. You know, watching them do it wanting to be like them and you look up to them, you want to get them as well. So that's what came from it, you know? And then I started enjoying myself and started winning, you know? At like 13, 14, or I knew I wanted to do it as a career. And we just continue to do it. And this is what came out of it. How good were your parents in the boxing ranks? Well, my mother only competed at amateur. She had a couple of 5 amateur, she won every 5 though. I'll tell you that. And then my father, he got to the professionals, but then he had my older brother, so that's I think the real bit his career. But he was also very talented from I remember. What your mother must love the way women's boxing is taking off now.
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"Hondura is here undefeated junior middleweight contender on October 8th. He will be back facing former title challenger Carlos ocampo in Southern California that's a fight you can see on showtime and the towering inferno joins me on the show. First of all, one of the best nicknames in all of boxing, I think. Tell me about where the nickname came from. My nickname came from a movie, but it came from the idea of my promoter Samson the script. What did you think when he branded you that? I don't really care for it. I was like, eh, whatever. It's kind of making fun of me, but you know, later on in my career, I figured out it did fit well because the towing because the height and then the furniture is the way we fight. You thought that would was like making fun of you in a way? A little bit a little bit. Samson likes to joke a lot, so. Yeah, I took it as a ticket and offense. He does like the joke a lot. That's for sure. All right, scale of one to ten, one being incredibly easy, ten being the hardest thing you have ever done. How difficult is it for you to make weight for every fight? One, and so one. That's the one. That's incredible. I can just wait. It's not a problem. That's wild, man. You're 6 foot 6, and you're making one 54 at a level of one. That easy. That easy. Apparently easy, all I have to do is do a workout. I'm fine. I'll be solid on my weight. So like a week or so before your fight, how close are you to one 54? Probably walking out like one 6th straight up, four pounds off, 6 months off. 5, maybe. If you had to squeeze down to welterweight again, could you do it? Of course. Of course. But right now, I want a champ, I want to take my chance to win a belt at one 54 because that's how I've been doing my hair career. I mean, does it surprise you that it's that easy? For some athletes, it's incredibly easy, right? Like I work with Sergio Moro, who tells me all the time. Like, I can't keep weight on. I can't keep weight on. I've been retired for 5 years. I'm like at one 75 right now. Does it? I mean, is it surprised you at all? How easy it is to get down to that one 54? I think it's just the metabolism, you know? And then the training on top of that, you know, we're always sweating, but our metabolism is a priority fast. That's probably why. So how much do you pay attention
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"That I mean, he certainly was worth every single penny they paid him and probably more. And probably more. And it was, you know, for me, when lamps went, you know, off the grid, so to speak at HBO and HBO boxing, it was a real loss because he was just he was just as important to that night as the two fighters. You know, you couldn't wait to see him. He set the table at the beginning and the other thing was, again, like we were talking about commercials after the fight's over. The networks would be running to a commercial. After the flight's over at HBO, you go to the center of the ring. And merchant and lampley are there. And merchant may be doing as crazy thing with, you know, who knows who, but why is there and he is deconstructing that fight with a scalpel? I mean, he is exacting in his analysis of it. And it's a pretty it's pretty formidable. You really can't find a lot of people who can do that back then like he did. They built some talented boxers over the years, but I say this as a broadcaster as well, but their broadcasting crew was excellent. Whether it was lampley all throughout Larry for many years, max taking over. I thought Emmanuel Stewart turned into one of in addition to one of the great trainers of all time, became I thought one of the great broadcasts of all time. I mean, he was tremendous. I don't know how much you got into his life and time at HBO, but I thought he before his passing had he was probably as good a broadcast versus it was a trainer at that point. Well, I think the other thing that that shows, I agree with you. And I think the other thing that shows is that HPO was constantly trying to figure out new ways to cover the sport and new ways to create a narrative for the sport, both for the fight and for the larger context of boxing. I think they really cared about boxing as an institution, not just, you know, okay, let's throw this fight on. They were a big part of it. Some went might argue too big a part of it. But I think their dedication loyalty to sport was particularly in the late 70s in the 80s and early 90s was without beer. No question. Before I let you go, we talked about the beginning of HBO, the middle of HBO. The end was for lack of a better word kind of sad where they were relatively inactive over the last couple of years and they kind of quietly go off the air in December of 2018. What did you learn about kind of the end of HBO and what prompted them to get out of the business? Well, you know, the current leadership at HBO will always be correcting me because HBO sports technically hasn't died. There's real sports. There's hard knocks and there's still HBO sports documentaries. But I think that the HBO that you and I grew up around, I think that we started to see the warning signs at the end of last century because they had Wimbledon. They gave up Wimbledon, which was really painful for their employees of HBO sports. We talked about what happened with boxing. And they didn't have look when you're spending a $140 million on band of brothers and a season of Sopranos or let alone Game of Thrones. My gosh, the most expensive series HBO has ever done..
"boxing" Discussed on SI Boxing with Chris Mannix
"The oscars. I don't know i really don't i couldn't answer. I mean you'd have to ask oscar. Because i don't know what's going on oscar's head like i i mean i'll say asper tonight in alaska but i don't know i mean what i see is oscar as oscar de la. Hoya is a potential good promotional partner. What i mean promotional partner. I don't mean in the sense of a boxing promoter. I mean someone that is an ambassador and promoted sport and someone that has star power more than other maybe more than some other fighters that have gone on to be more involved in the sport on the business side. So but i. But i can't say what i mean i think part of it is let's see let's see what july looks like and and i think i think it certainly would be a case by case it's like saying if holyfield you know looks good against kevin mcbride. Does mike tyson circle back. And is there a third holyfield-tyson so you have this job. You are also a boxing manager. Are you going to be able to continue on in dual roles. Yeah i am and what people asking that question and the truth of the matter. The bottom line is this. This isn't a venture of in company. There are no fighters under contract. It's really like working for an event company. That does one off events like i said it would be very hard pressed other than the jake paul's than some of these anchors. Right that are that are in a different place. You're not going to see the traditional boxing. Promotional model and look most of my fighters are signed in long-term deals with other promoters. In fact where you right now. I'm in boston. Headed to florida though on friday morning. Right so you'll see one of my up and coming prospects erin. The alien king. Aponte fighting on dmitri is android williams card. I saw on the canal. Show right that's right a couple of months ago. that's right february twenty seventh so look. He's on the matching show match. Has has been killing it. Throughout this pandemic i mean. They started off slow but they've come on. Strong in zone has been between matchroom domestically and in the uk now in his own being worldwide and golden boy shows. I mean you've had ryan garcia january second you've had to cannella shows the third canola shows may as so to answer your question as a manager. I can easily flip into that mode. Where i'm excited. That eddie hearn's giving and aponte the opportunity to showcase himself on on zone in front of that core boxing audience you know. It's very important for errands. Development and i have sanders is the following week on. Espn plus on top rank..