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EPISODE 72 -- BOBBY LABONTE PART 3

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EPISODE 72 -- BOBBY LABONTE PART 3

"Hello my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene. Volkov cast your source for all things NASCAR history presented by doc maintain excellence. We ended the year. I'll never forget sitting in the banquet watching him on stage and I'm just angry because I'm like I wanna be there be there. You have a gut feeling of how good you are. How good you are at that time and a good you're team is it was going to drive a car? I was like I am really kind of enjoyed a couple of kids off the they NASCAR and all associated in any way. When that's forget it's passed as today? We don't have any hello. I'm Steve Wade. Komo name is Rick Houston and welcome to the scene vault podcast presented by QR stave. Before we begin I gotta ask you a question. Have you recovered from stocks for tots the House. That signing our buddy I say I have a few cramps there eric. It was well worth. That was a great event and I guess we signed signed pretty consistently for a couple hours. That was a great crowd and very enthusiastic and I thought it was pretty cold because one of the very first. There's people through the line at a briefcase of stuff that he wanted to get signed and everything and he pulls out a copy of brave in life and of course I start giving you a hard time and everything You know went through six brings. Okay is that episode and then he is up and now how's he did something else and he pulled out a copy of second to none so we both signed copies of our books which was pretty cool and then just the enthusiasm Hasim that people had in. We had several people come through the line and tell us that they really enjoyed the podcast. And certainly there were those that might not have heard the podcast but they I certainly remembered saints so that was pretty gratifying. That's right and we gave away commemorative Darlington issues of scene and rick. In the last Persian came through uh-huh we had one copy that my stack was kind of dwindling and as the line kind of thin down and everything and the end of the Sonnen got nearer are Kinda counted people in line and I counted fourteen people line and I counted the number of papers that I had and believe it or not I had fourteen eighteen paper. That's right I guess that was just meant to be well. I'll tell you something. It was a cold wet night. No question about it and you have to admire the dedication of race fans not John Battle that wetter but to come out there from long distances I mean some Missouri and this is up in North Carolina and they did it to get are autographed. You gotTa wear the big draws at stocks. Todd's Steve Steve. This week in our first segment we are going to have the third and final installment of the interview that I did with Bobby Labonte and we discussed his two thousand Winston Cup championship his relationship with Joe Gibbs racing teammate. Tony Stewart the decision to leave Joe Gibbs racing and finally the latter after years of his career and some racing that he did this year at Bowman Gray Stadium. Yes Sir now that's our core and then in our second segment. We are going to tackle some more listener questions and they kind of run the gamut one Bella asked if there were people that we just didn't didn't like which I thought was kind of interesting. Well that one certainly Steve. I don't know that we we'll tell everything that we know in that. One on Patriarch in. We have new support from Jordan turnage and also. We have pay pal support this week. Week from Josh Ward and Robert Layered so guys thank you very much for that support. It means a lot to us. If you could possibly help us out on patron do five dollars a month want and you will receive a copy of the commemorative issue that we did with Darlington and also a classic issue of Winston Cup saying do ten dollars a month and you will receive both of those newspapers and the Steve Wade rookie card. Thank we've got three three or four. Okay good depending on how this goes. We may just have to dig up some more of those cards. Oh my goodness S. stocks were probably ten or fifteen. At least one MM person had a set of a dozen of my cars. I couldn't believe it. I have a feeling I'm going to be buying those on Ebay but seriously seriously. Help us out on Patriot patriotic dot com slash. The same podcast or on pay pal. If you'd rather just do a one time show of support you can do that. Ah Pay Pal dot me slash the same podcast beginning in nineteen ninety six. The team made really steady improvement in the standings. Nineteen Ninety six or eleven. Not Tonight Seven. You were seventh. Nineteen Ninety Eight. You were six nineteen ninety nine. You were second. was that kind of progress. Okay with you or were you wanting to be on top right now. You know I thought I thought for sure that We weren't good enough every track all the tracks to be. You know bill right here right now. we had work to do and we we I think in ninety eight we we showed that in the ninety nine. We were definitely there I I didn't think that it was you know we didn't deserve ninety six hundred seven ninety eight. I thought we were going to get there. I mean Tommy worked out would probably would I thought was right but I didn't think I should have been there before that. I think we with what we were gaining on. And what we're doing. I thought it was you know. Steadily creeping up on it was probably the was working out not ninety nine. Tony Stewart moved up to Winston Cup and became retain. May and. Bobby I gotTa tell you. Your personalities would appear to be almost almost completely opposite and as good as he was on the race track. It seemed like he was always getting into some kind of controversy those first couple years. What was your thinking during all that? Did you ever sit down with him or did you and coach ever sit down with him or was he just going to be Tony to be Tony. You know I think that you know. I'm I think Tony was going to be Tony Coming. It was it was. It was obvious that way with him being hired because he was hard hard to get to he was hard to get. You know you know If you look back at how coach said can I get your number and three days. He's later you know I'm I'm doing it. Yeah it didn't take me months at a time. Of course I didn't have you know I wouldn't an IRA. I wasn't doing this and that so tony was. I mean Tony headed headed. He's just got a different style and So you know as our personalities might be different in some ways I mean you know I got to know him well enough. If that it's I mean what his heart is is full of gold and what you might see at one place is not what you see all the time No No. I didn't sit down and talk to them. You know I mean there was a lot I mean I I'm probably Hopefully lead by example more than telling somebody what they I should be doing Roth I think that You know I think I think Tony Tony was was probably good. Good good is good for us in a way because you know sometimes that differences better than you know when you just do the same thing over and over again But no as far as me you know I I kinda welcomed the fact that I knew that this kid you know was gonna be you know a star superstar and you sometimes you have to take a little bit of a little bit. Yeah okay. That's not something I would we do right but at the same time goodness for anybody for a better person but you know would would I see him do things. That'd be like why wouldn't do that but that's taught me that he's not me so I don't I don't think I'd ever I wouldn't i. I can't change. I don't want to change changed the way I do things but I didn't want. He wants to do it the way he wants to do it. That's fine you finished second to Dale Jarrett in the championship standings in Nineteen Ninety nine. But but you were two hundred points down. What was your outlook going into? Two thousand will again. I think that with the addition of Tony and ninety nine nine It helped you know our elevator. Whole Program It ended up a little bit. Jimmy was getting pulled in different ways. adding Greg but still his responsibilities were more But I knew that going into the two car team and obviously as fast as Tony is going to be you know just just GonNa get better It's dunk that. We were down that far in ninety nine but I can. I can pinpoint you know one race as for sure that we lost a lot. That's that was my bad. I mean I lost at at Cinema going into turn eleven. You know I went to pass Nemechek. It can go right into the tires like okay. You know how to rip it had a good finish and Kylo that was my we were we were then. We within striking distance to a point. You know we're still going to be is still gonNA take a lot but that was like we were put ourselves down Saying that I mean we ended the year. I'll never forget sitting in the banquet. You know watching him on stage and I'm just I'm just anger. Anger is could be. Because I'm like I want to be. They'RE GONNA BE THEY'RE GONNA be there in as much as I love dill jared Meriem and got his autograph when I was. When he's Racing Gra national car and I was race late model stock me? He's my hero but unlike and we were that close. You know we were that we could. We were getting to be that good So you know I thought I thought for sure. Ninety ninety nine are better year but then in two thousand I thought doc in two thousand and we just. We really just didn't do anything wrong. I didn't hit a set of tires. We didn't have anything crazy at finished like teen laps. Like like like the record for laps finished all but seven laps for the whole year. There's a there's a staff that's that's crazy it's it's like Mark Martin was before that at at certain amount but always I finish all but seven ten laps for the whole year like it was one of those things you just like. You're never gonNA finish the top ten. Are Your your top fifteen so saying that I mean we just between Earnhardt and I and you know Who else you know IRT? I guess or somebody who was third fourth. I mean but I you know I mean we were just like my gosh we so fast so consistent and just didn't have anything go wrong you know and Tony there. I mean there's an elevated our whole whole program so I kinda I kinda felt like you know. Ninety nine was a was that two thousand Redemption Year from ninety nine in my mistakes You know just you know just missed it by a little bit and how do we improve Atlanta early. That year you started door with Earnhardt and he beats you officially officially by if I'm looking at the numbers correctly one thousands of a second from the city your car. What are you thinking last? Couple Paul APPS WILL I. I know that You know again. We had a fast car. I think skinner was the fastest car. He blew up with a few laps to go on the restart. We took off and I mean I'll run nearly wide open and three and four. I mean back even back in those days you run wide open could run wide open and So no catch earnhardt is one thing passing is going to be something different and you know. I've caught him off. Return to go down the back straightaway and you know I got to his rear bumper anomaly. And I'm just like all right. I mean I love that fact. Because here's the intimidator right so he'd been running low and I got to bumper and I'm like all right. I don't know which way is going to go. But wherever he goes on we'll go the opposite so he chose high because I was high the lap before so I mean boasted so I dove low and got to the white line and just you know he he had run off that corner and You know I didn't looking back at it. I wish had moved up a little bit sooner. And maybe a momentum would've carried me but it just you know he had more momentum off the corner and I could not believe that I thought I thought we had him. I thought we really had him. And and you know it took quarter the lab for the to kind of get the radio chatter down to. You didn't win frustration and But my gosh I mean that was like I mean again. That was our year. I mean we were just like that was almost like okay. Take Snapshot This is. What's GONNA look like the rest of the year? You two guys. Are you going to be balanced for the most part you know throughout and And I think that that's That was kind of like okay. Here's what you here's what you're GONNA do. You know you're going to do this and it was I of course I blame it on. I think Chevrolet that week before that week. They got a inch and a half extension on their front knows. The kickout was ancient half and I was like saw. I told him I said that's the only reason why you one is because you had that because if you hadn't had that I probably will beat you by that much Chino but yeah that was a that was just awesome to catch him going into three on the last lap. Going all right which way you're going to go and we did it. Without wrecking each other. You know we just. It was a good good. Good Clean Rice Bobby. As good as the year two thousand was for you. It was also on the same hand very difficult for the sport with the losses losses of Adam. Petty and Kenny Irwin and Tony Roper. And there was just a furious debate over safety. Yep The whole year I mean I it it was. I remember that year in it was a tough year in general. Did you make any kind of changes to your car are. What was your thinking during that time? Yeah not not really I mean I think We put we put the the nets in the right side. Left side of the car. You know for your head And I mean you know on top of three people getting killed there. There's a lot what people got hurt. I mean like her bed and mothers broken leg or things like that and I mean you don't I mean I definitely didn't go home at night and go. This is scary. This is unsafe. This is this is this and it was a You know I think what we did to. Our cars is just kind of do what you know. And we put the safety net and the right side and we put one on the left side because the window net wouldn't do enough for us and so there was a smaller net that we put up there that that did that Did you try the hants. Nope I didn't really now not try that I didn't PRY I. I did this I can probably tell you. I don't even know what it was. How can two thousand? I still had when Adam died. You know I was dumb enough for just naive enough that it was a carburetor. It wasn't a you know as you know mentalities talented when thinking that he could survive if he had to say so I think we were working on our throttle cable. I think at that time you know where we got off the drag racing off of the top fuel car Coaches were we had a cable and several Rod. You know because that was what happened to him was Air Cleaner you know. And then we still wasn't the you know fix all. We had a throttle hang wide open. A Darlington crashed That you're so anyway but no I didn't. Yeah I just. It's that was tough because you know we been at the racetrack or seeing this happening. When you're when you're there you know Kenya obviously were in that New Hampshire? I think Tony it was at Texas truck. We were there that weekend. I'm sure neck data. That was the not before earnhardt won his last. Brace Gotcha okay. So we just I mean it was tough because this is our sport and our people you know what I mean. It was definitely you know everybody series has been through things and we were going through that. At that time you did not lead the championship standings from start to finish that year. But you are are pretty doggone close at what point did you allow yourself to actually think that this might happen. You know I'll be honest with you. I mean ah I felt pretty good. You know pretty early on. I don't want to be cocky about it but I felt pretty good early on. I just I just when you you gotTa feel for your Racecar and the you know the competition and you know where people are trying to you know catch up to you. I mean I felt like we're just like we were just one step ahead so early on I felt like we were. You know you have no idea but I felt like we early on you know. Barney thing disastrous were okay. We you know we're good enough. I mean we were. We were now good enough. We weren't quite good enough the year before even though we thought we were but we. Weren't you know this year two thousand I. Oh I thought we were good enough pretty early on you win the Busch Series Championship and Ashbury emotional. You Win Your First Cup race. And that's pretty emotional Indian then. I think you actually clinched the championship in the year. Two thousand at homestead with a rice to go. What's it like to be at the top of the hill like that I'm it was there? There are moments throughout the year. That kind of I go back to you. Know have to reflect back on a few things and so a couple of those times to me is You're one was at India. The brickyard We're racing rusty Wallace for the win and we can't beat him you know In the short run but we can beat him in the long run NAKASHIMA passing pit. He out front. He pulls way I found kind of get on So then at the end of it I'm thinking you know I think finished third second two two years in a row and I'm catching him and I'm like I finally passing and you know we all know I got by him and ended up win the race. And it's it's like you know you you just know you have a gut feeling of how good you are and how good you are at that time. And how good your team is so That was like one of those checkmark things of like you know were were there I think Darlington for the southern and five hundred in practice leaper road go make a qualifying run a window in the back straightaway. Wide Open get turned three. The throttle hangs wide open. Hit The wall. I come down pit road and crashed there on straightaway. Get out getting back car. Make a couple of APPS I told her I said I think I'm GonNa go the Infield Care Center just to make sure I'm okay. I'm not sure so earnhardt sitting right behind beside us. And they're all like all jacked up because they're like we guarding this weekend. We ended up. We win the race K.. Through the most weirdest race of all we won the race and he could want it and he I led the last collapsed under caution. He comes up. Beat my back bumper off after the checkered flag in just shaking his fist. Yeah I know that makes Chad and But those things you know lead up to when you get to homestead so we're running good and Rockingham. We had target down. We'd both finished about the same but we got home stand. We've got got a huge lead US finish like twenty something in Burghardt wins right so we go out there and I think we might have won the poll. Tony and I were first and second and I think finished fourth Tony Windsor race. I'm not mistaken. I think that's how it worked so anyway in just I mean it's just like it just all you know again it's like people ask me said hey you know if you got a lot of pressure on you know. I didn't realize I had pressure on me until after homestead because then it was like I was relieved and I didn't realize I was just lying. Everybody so bad because they're like are you you know. How much pressure do you have your pressure? I convince myself. There's no pressure here we find and there's a ton of pressure and and when you when you win is like I can't believe that I can believe we did that so it's just one of those you know it's it's Emotions of being able to get to that point dislike amazing that we were so good all year ear and I mean just let all year led most of the year and and finish it off with a race to go and we're just you know that that fast car was just that fast that year. And just you know when you've you when you know your car and you know your team that's just I mean you know you're that good and you're at the top of the heap. It's always good when people always you know. WanNa know where you're at in practice right rear end practice and we were always that guy. was you know in the top five of the lists. It seemed like so. There's no better feeling than that when when you're able to do that. Just put it that way a two thousand and one through two thousand and three. You're still winning. Still Win Two or three races a year a couple of races a year then then in two thousand and four shutout victory lane for the first time in ten years. was there ever a point where you went to Joe and said I need some helper burry. What was that period? Live at. Joe Gibbs racing. Yeah for me. It was tough. I mean because Joe Gone Back to football okay. Yeah he identified boss stuff. Jd was air Running the team. You know Jimmy had moved on to a different role We had a number of crew chiefs. You know different Couple different crew chiefs and Just couldn't seem elect good find the Mojo back to where we pat it. You know in two thousand and I remember when Earnhardt died in two thousand and one. I mean that I mean that you know when you're supposed to walk into Daytona which we did you know with your chest out you got to you know the next right Rockingham your chest. Our you know. We're we're defending champions. When earnhardt died you know of this high MIS remember? I'm not really sure you know I'm just didn't you didn't have that much fun. You know quickly so we went to Texas the two thousand one. I was like we. We blew up again. I was like I don't I think we're that good. It took US figure that. I don't think we're that good anymore so anyway it was a struggle and I you know I mean I point my finger at myself a lot for just like you know what could have done differently differently to okay. Rebound this saying turn it around or help be a part of something instead of it but I think joe leaving and going back to football and just kind of that. I had that comfort. I had that that had that going for me. And just you know Jimmy was you know my guy and then when he was now he's a more the manager and I'm like that and it's you know it's funny I had zippy would come over and he'd asked me a question. I'm like Dude I can't can't you ask them. Why can't you be Makuuchi for day? You something so. It's just a lot of things were happening. And you know you wanNA have Yeah you WanNa have that success and it was just getting Kinda hard and so You know I wish now looking back on it which I could have done something differently. I'm not sure what I could have done but Yeah that was getting to be some tough times times in so finally when it came you know I think we should probably dissolve. This is when when we did. How difficult was that is very difficult? I mean in in one hand you wanted a new fresh something fresh because you want to be successful and you want to do good and the other hand it's it's it's tough because you're not You're not doing As well as you think you should difficult time after that you drove for a few you different car owners. You drove for petty enterprises. You drove for Ted Jody Scheckter and Brad Doherty and I guess a couple of others after her being at the top of the heap as I mentioned for as long as you are. What were those years for you? Yeah that was you know. It's you know going to the Pettis ladies you know I was. I thought I thought that was going to be you know when they put robby in there and you know I was. You know this is as you know this thing where you can you. Can you like gibbs what there was a single car team racing against other teams and you. You didn't win right away but you you were able to help be a part of organization that went from one. Two races uses to now. They're win a champion right and so at the time like the Pettis it was like okay. They're this point and they're you know in in their this point today and you believe in yourself and you go I go over there. You put this person there and you put top parrot there and you put so and so there and you put you know few the people in the right places and you have influx of money that you can help build that to the next to what what you experienced that Gibson. For instance right. Could you take what you learn. You take your life lessons. You take your race lessons and racing knowledge and you hope to turn that into a winning formula as well Oh and It seemed like that was going to it was kind of going the right way to the first for the first little bit and then it you know then. It was a became more of a struggle and realization. That we're you know we'RE NOT GONNA we're only gonNA spend so much and we're not going to get any further so it was like. How do you get past that you know? Yeah and and then you know and then at me you know that point time. Then you're like you're you're you know as as that wasn't happening time still passes and you're yeah then you can't how do you get. How do you grab a hold of that? You know it happened to Terry. When recalled him right it was actually the agent because he called I answered the phone? They call it hate speech. Your brother I think we're GONNA tear. You're GONNA do this so but for me. That wasn't there. Wasn't there rekindle that said. Hey come drive my car because we believe in you and your yeah. It was at that point in time. It was like Picking Slam. You know you're looking throughout the garage just like You know things were you know. You're you're chess. You're losing at your chest game. Did you get caught. Maybe in the rest of the young guns so to speak because obviously he did not forget. Forget how to drive a race car right. You don't do that. No no I think that I don't think it was a young gun thing I mean I remember when I came in urban. I hate you because you're take my job one day. You know I'm just kidding around but because I was younger than him so I don't think I got. I don't think I was at that point in time. It wasn't that seemed like that. Big a deal until later. Two two thousand fourteen fifteen sixteen. You just run three or four Rice's year most late Daytona and Talladega kind of like what Terry d At the end of his career was that just for fun Or were you still trying to maybe get on with a more established team. Well I knew that that candle was getting dimmer right right Far As career goes you know I mean I was still doing things behind the scenes that you know I could probably tell you about now but at the time I couldn't tell you about As far as Working in testing and stuff like that for different teams or for actual more for one team but So I was being busy doing stuff in cars minus four. And you know there wasn't I mean you know it's just like your paper. Here's yeah that's that's on its printed in. Its for sure this is. This is really what it is so much opportunity with Josh Comstock and Archie and and Frankie were to drive that you know they asked me drive the cars good for them is good for me to Kinda you know and I mean sure. There was a point in time. It's like I wanna run every erase and then after. I didn't run all the races. Oh went and I had. I had a couple offers. You know that were not you know. They're they're not going to be winning. Cars of course behavioral and drive a car. I was like ham really kind of enjoyed a couple of weekends off here. And they're going to do that. I should go to Atlanta. Beat my head against the wall right so it Kinda uh evil into doing that stuff for Archie. Josh passed away comstock passed away. You know I knew that that was you know that was like okay. This is not going to keep going. Because he sponsored the car is friend of ours from Texas and he held archie out. I mean you think of Archie if he hadn't you know things like that if maybe I terry and I had little influence on what archie that today getting his deal was you know S. HR small granular. Of course yes josh. Comstock did will long with a lot of other people that kind of helped keep him in the sport to the point now where he's got a different opportunity than we have say. Well I can't go to Daytona this year because I don't have enough money or Speier. You know his out the picture so for him to stay there and for us to have that little fun time with him you know. Help hopefully has been something that he's been able to reap but for for me it was you know I. I don't know it was fun. It was still racing racing and I loved it. I love it but at the same time I knew that there wasn't like I mean God forbid something happened to somebody and coach Gibbs. Hey can you do this for us or you know like David Reagan did when Kyle got hurt or somebody you know it's like okay you know you're you you know where you're at so you just Kinda you do what you do what you can't seventeen and eighteen. What was it like being on the sidelines? And not drop it. was that a difficult adjustment for you. was that as two years three. Yeah it was what seventy go by. the Yeah I mean it was in You know so I I mean I wouldn't out of a race car. I still got to do a little bit something here and there but you know so. It's not like ours testing getting Well I raced in Europe last year. Yes so I do once in seventeen and did once this year so So at least I wasn't you know I was always you know I was kind of still doing something and I wouldn't do in the testing stuff as much of course but you know and then the the deal with Fox came about and so you know it's like I'll be honest with you. I was like how in the world did it get stuff done before. I'm busier now than ever. And it's like what in the world am I doing so between the Fox stuff last year and going to Europe and all that I mean that was I mean I love what I'm doing. I'm staying busy because I know that I can't do. I can't do that again but what I'm doing right now. At this point is really exciting is really good and I enjoy that But trust me you know the first race that I didn't go to That was supposed to go to and I didn't go to and I wasn't hurt a man's like wow this is this stinks you know and but then again later and Terry told me. He said it's going to is. It'll it'll stink for a while because then you'll you'll come about later and you'll go more friends ever thought I would you know it's it's like yeah and they really didn't care much about race anyway. They just won't be afraid. You told me I had a coach helped me through this so yes I mean I want to. I'd rather I'd rather drive a race racecar than anything out there but I also enjoy doing doing different things last question. Tell me about running bowman gray this year man. Those guys don't all play out there and I would imagine to be honest with you if I'm at Bowman Gray and I'm beating around there and I've got my little modified defied and I'm wanting to make a name for myself and I got a shot at Bobby Labonte. I'm GONNA take a shot at Bobby Labonte Yeah did you. Experience what went on at Bowman Gray will be honest with you My friend Chris Williams driving a modified up there and like he's he. Can you come over and help me one day. I was like sure so my wife's US at school on a Saturday doing school stuff and so all right so I went up there a paid five dollars to get in they charged. Do you charge chef dollars so paid five dollars. Gate walked in there. Yeah so I helped Chris I like he's he's you drive it. I said all right. I'll drive so I run about ten after fifteen laps. Wow that's good so we you know. I talked to him a little bit. You know what I thought and watch me and I'll watch him. He's coming back tonight. I said I'll probably not yeah probably won't come back night. I'm only eleven miles away so I go home. I was like you know I got through eating dinner. I might go back up there. You got the bug so I pay a Winnie dollars to get in the past. Twenty or twenty five dollars saw three fights and a heck of a race. That's the best bit long all the time so then I went back three two or three more times watched you watched eight. Hundred was up there one night and you know we were just watching from the grandstands and so so went back one night and practice or one day in practice again. So may deal with. Burt Myers and Jason. You know to drive on their cars and so we did that. I did that and I'm telling you what I was like. I ain't qualified car long time. You know it's like we got one lap qualifier. It's GonNa be good right so I was watching Rob Jefferies run and You know. Watch Tim Brown. Danny Bone. Obviously Jason and Bert Frank Fleming number guy freight claiming back race in my late model Yeah just you know was it Randy Butner Know Him so I knew I knew a lot of people there. So so you want Qualified Marin qualified eighth and we had a big night for us because my best friend passed away the week before that so had his kids up there and some other friends and family and they just had a good time. I mean that was fun so anyway it was is. It's it's amaz- it's awesome. Yeah I mean. That's fifteen thousand people in the grants and the you could see them. Yeah I mean you can see their fingers you. Can you see the drinks either shirts or no shirts. You can see it all and I know one guy told me. He said he smelt. He had beer poured on he was. Somebody threw beer on on him like he's on the track and they threw beer from the beer section and he spent like beer afterwards. I mean you know I was pretty funny story but anyway I I enjoyed it I thought it was was great I'm looking forward to going back this year and doing it again because I mean it's just like you know I. I never drove a modified. My life worked at Jay Hitchcock's for a year looked at them like. Why are you doing that onerous car but anyway I it was just a lot of fun and I'm glad I did it and I want to do it again Happy Holidays everyone. And thank you for listening to the scene. UNBOUGHT podcast. This is Eric Quinn the general manager at Qa Accu- where we are extremely excited to be involved with seem ball. PODCAST and everything that Rick Steve or doing to preserve the history of NASCAR accuweather. That's what we do we help you and your business take care of the stuff that you own if you'd like to know more about Q.. Wear and what we can do for your business head over to Q.. WEAR CMS dot com that's Q.. WEAR CMS DOT com from all of us at Q.. Where thank you for listening and we hope you have the happiest of holidays the merriest of Christmases and we hope that twenty twenty is the best year you've ever had so Steve Bobby? Ah Bonnie talked in this segment of the interview. I did with him. He talked about Tony. Stewart coming on board as his teammate. At Joe Gibbs racing the gaining in nineteen ninety. I'm not into things really stood out to me about about what he said number one. He said that in essence. Tony was a good guy behind the saints. That somebody that some of us in the media didn't exactly get to see some well. I agree with that also agree that Tony was a good guy behind the scenes. Because I've built right behind the scenes and I can tell you. Yeah he's racist very competitive and okay. I'll go in line and say that he probably has anger management issues early in his career. But when you got to know him a little bit and he got to the point where he was comfortable with you it was a different person. The second thing that kind of stood out about one talk about what bobby was saying was it was very apparent. That body was trying his best to not say anything that he shouldn't uh he was trying to play it pretty straight I can understand that. And then Steve another thing that really kind of jumped out at me about this interview. He finished second to to Dale Jarrett for the Nineteen Ninety Nine Two cup championship and he talked about sitting at the banquet watching Dj except all of his accolades and and he said that he was very angry. Bread yeah because he wanted to be onstage. He had chased. Dj All year and he talked last week about the relationship that he had with DJ and trading information and when DJ was on. And be leaving. Joe Gibbs Robert Gates dates and DJ was helping him trying to open the door. A little bit. Get his foot in the door with Joe Gibbs and all that and bobby said that they talked every day about what was going on on and what they could do to get the rods that they wanted but not to ninety nine Winston Cup Championship banquet It's a different story. Yeah no I'll know that he's necessarily surly Matt at DJ. I think he was just mad at the fact that he had come up short right. He was frustrated. I think that's the way to put it. Bobby actually said that he hit gotten deals autograph back when DJ was in the Busch series. and Bobby Lewis running late model so I don't think it was again. I don't think it was anything anything in their relationships I should show. It's not personal is professional more or less because when they get on the track but let's face it things whole lot different than they are off. The track. Friends are friends ads away from the race track but on the right track. I don't know that you rice a friend maybe a little bit harder. You see that a lot so the year two thousand rolls around and Bobby Ebony is on point is he ever Steve He finished sixth in the Daytona five hundred that year. He dominates at Rockingham the next week and wins which moved him up to second in the point. Standings it goes to the top of the standings after Las Vegas which was the third race of the year and Steve. That's where he stayed for the rest of the year with the exception of just one week after the first Talladega race where he dropped to second behind Mark Martin was his year no two way it was his. I mean they might as well written him the check. You know sometime around July say but he won four races including the brick yard four hundred and the southern five hundred. Steve here's the one that Kinda blows my mind. Hey finished all but seven laps about that seven laps the entire year and he won the championship by two hundred. Sixty five points over deller now that is consistency. That consistency is exactly great. Winning the championship by that point system was all about over the course never mind. I'M NOT GONNA go. Hey wanted over the course of the full season and yes. He clenched it with a rice to go but that was his championship and he absolutely deserved. It earned it earned it and at Darlington the southern five hundred. There's more to that store than just a number in the win column. He goes out and practice to make a qualifying run on. He gets up to speed going into turn. Three and Steve. The throttle hangs wide open and he plows into the wall. And that's the very same thing that had happened to Adam. Petty and Kenny Jeannie Irwin earlier that year so that was a pretty big story. Absolutely it happened to Adam and Kenny at New Hampshire and tragic results. He told Jimmy Amy my car he said I. I think I'd better go to the Infield Care Center. Just be sure and of course he goes on to win the race. which was the big story? Bobby Bobby said that Dale earnhardt Jr team was like yeah. We got him now. You know they. They saw bobby being kind of ginger around the race car. Kind of banged up a little bit. They thought they might be able to only natural form to feel that way but bobby goes on to win race then. Bobby talked about winning the Winston Cup championship which was obviously the highlight of his career. He was the only driver ever to win both the Busch Series Championship and the Winston Cup Championship. He the and Terry are the only brothers to have won the championship. Is that right. Yeah Okay Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's the case. And then he goes to Daytona one of the next year kind of walking tall chess bowed out a little bit as he should and everything happens on the last lap of the two thousand and one Daytona I. Five hundred and and Steve. Bobby actually made the comment that that took a lot of the fun away from defendant. His wants to cup championship. Well that is certainly understandable and bobby was not the only driver if you will that way and I might add a whole lot of fans felt that way too big earnhardt heart fans just had the wind knocked out of well. I think what happened. Was the questions change from. Hey Bobby what's it like to defend your wish to cup championship. How you think your season's gone there? Were still those kinds of questions but always always always always that year. They're going to be questions about Dell earnhardt questions about safety questions about the device. Soft walls whatever. Yeah all those temp ix that you just mentioned took precedence over almost everything else. Steve if bobby eventually left Joe Gibbs racing after the two thousand and five season and after that he kinda bounced around a little bit did some time with petty enterprises and Jt Jack daugherty racing tad and Jodi and then he did some testing for a tamer to and then stave he kinda got to a place where or he actually enjoyed having a weekend off every now and then rather than having to go to the race track and be head against Walnut being as competitive as he wants had been. I can understand that because I think many drivers reach a point in their career where they think. Hey this crazy I I'm I'm never home I'm always worried about how I'm running. I don't need this grief and take a different turn so two thousand and nineteen. He Goes Bowman Gray Stadium to kind of hang out with a buddy of his. And then the buddy he is Kinda says. Hey do you wanna come back to the race track and then the BUG Kinda hits. It's in he winds up barring a car to run a modified race or two at Bowman Gray stadium leave of his since the Steve. I'm GonNa tell you. Watch the truth fans at Bowman Gray Stadium. They take their racing sears. Yes series now. Let let me ask you this. What is another just overwhelming piece of Trivia about Bowman Gray Stadium? Well I can tell you this. I've only been there one time. Relay that's right. Never had the opportunity to go except for this one time but I think one legend about Bowman Gray that I think is pretty interesting is that there was a young young man there one time who had a job selling peanuts at Bowman Gray Stadium and dreaming aiming about being a racer. Well he became a race driver and then he became a team owner and then he became a championship kinship. Let's see what's that guy's name I can come up. That say you can think of it. Richard childress children children. Children are see Richard childress got his start selling peanuts and popcorn there. But that's not the piece of Trivia that was looking for okay. Okay what you're looking for yours truly for that one Houston. Oh One. Summer drove the pace car at Bowman Bowman Gray Stadium there. I gotTa tell you was a highlight. How did the mock career well? The fact of the matter is great garrison who is the promoter. There Bowman Gray has been in his family since it began. His grandfather was Alvin. Hawkins who basically opened the place and and Greg Garrison went to church with me. Obviously I had asked gray about driving the pace car tomor to end the year before he had actually let me drive it. A couple of races aces and I rode with the regular pace car driver. Mike Norman for wanted the rice is that not and then we switched seats and I drove and Dan. Mike Rode Shotgun and then for the finale the modified races. He got out of the car and said I'm going to beat traffic. I'll see you later. Yeah so I'm driving the car solo. My very first not ever been in the pace car so that was a blast but then the next year I got to grab probably five or six Saturday nights because Mike Norman actually raised a modified and the nights that he would raise. They would call me to you drive the pace car so you talk about some experience. All right I gotTa tell this one story there was one night the track would get. VIP's come in and run the pace car and there is this one night where it was a mom and her daughter and mom was probably in her fifties or so and the daughter was probably in her twenties. Somewhere in their mom wouldn't feel any pain. You mean that mom mom was lit guys you gotta the device so and it was eight atomic year when the do sat on the grass pretty early at night. They called a caution and gun the pace car which was a brand new Camaro so it had a little bit of horsepower. Gun The pace car out from where it sat and when those tires it hit the do on that grass man I did a full on Dukes of hazzard. Slide there the Infield as trying to get onto the racetrack and Mama the whole. Oh time is just so that was one incident and then another time they called a Colin and I got to where I was going to enter the right track and got on the right track and I looked in Rivi mirror and evidently at least some of the drivers had not gotten the word that that there was a caution and they were bearing down on pretty heart gay. So that was that was interesting. I'LL BET but again I've said it before on the show. The pace car driver is the coolest job in recent. Oh that was such a coal summer and and finally Steve the Nascar Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony here in a few weeks. Joe Gibbs racing is going to be well represented with Joe Gibbs with with Tony Stewart and with Bobby Labonte. I don't know of any other induction class where anyone team has been so well represented. I don't think so inserting I. Penny enterprises has several members in. But they were in different here. Yeah it's GonNa be a big big not for that organization and joining joining. The organization will be Buddy Baker the late but he beggar. And why they're Wilson who's been on the show. Yes what L. Wilson. So yeah that's GonNa be a great night. What does it say about? Joe Gibbs racing that they have been able to produce such a phenomenal success. It it says a lot about their town no question about it but also says a lot about Joe's leadership part of being a leader is to acquire the best people to work round. You and for you and with you. I think that's a big big plus for Joe Gibbs bidding coaching all his life he knows how to handle people I mean. He knows how to recognize their talents and put good use. That's what he's done and still doing to this day. Because Joe Gibbs racing is still one of the best organizations in Nascar do this day so I think certainly that something that he dealt with when he was a coach no question the NFL. Because when you have that many people on a roster you're going to have a very very very wide array personnel of personalities of backgrounds sounds of economic backgrounds of upbringings of colleges. And all those different stories you gotta figure out a way to make all those get headed in the right direction. And he he brought that to NASCAR. Because certainly he's had drivers Tony Stewart and Kyle Busch and Denny Hamlin who all ever talking about a wide range of personalities. They're whether they're good better indifferent and weather fans Lacombe or not. You still going to have the right chemistry correct. And he's been. I won't find that for a lot of years now. Steve followed Brian Kale on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot Oetzi Dot Com and again again. This week we had some exchanges between some of our twitter followers and Brian asking about some of the products that he had. I think he posted some Davey. Allison t shirts shirts and some debut and paraphernalia and some different t shirts. Yeah the remarkable inventory so again. I believe that this deal is working out for Bryan. Certainly worked out for US so again. Follow Brian on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot Oetzi Dot Com. Okay Steve John K Osborne at John Osborne one on twitter asked. What driver did each of you personally dislike back over them anyway and then our second question was okay? Okay and you and I have talked about necessarily how to tactfully answer that question. I'm going to say this. I don't know that there was any one driver or personality. Finality in the sport crew chief car owner whatever. I don't know that there was any one person in the sport that I actually got to spend some time with and got to know away from the race track that I didn't like that somewhat of a difficult question to answer because the drivers that I got to know and I got to know play any. Am Yes we're very hard to dislike. I mean personally slightly. Yes they some of them. They made our lives. Hell when it came to trying take the time or brush you often you might say. Wow they just don't like that guy 'cause he just brushed me off well he may yet a the reason. We've talked a lot about Tony Stewart. He's a perfect example of what I'm talking about I had my difficulties with him professionally and one Sunday at cinema. In the back of his hauler we decided we were going to have it out. Tony's real problem was a story that was published in seen ridden in by Jeff. Owens yeah a true professional in which Tony complained about. Being in that star in overtime himself didn't like being bothered by the fans and of course he did later tried to deny all of that and that was the issue that we had basically between the paper and between between Tony and myself included so we decided to have it out in the back of the hall and we talked and talked and exchange views. And after that I had a much different view Tony even when he did things at the track that would totally uncalled for. I still had a different view. So even with Tony Stewart who I think is one of the drivers. The most people think the pressed. I'd want to have anything to do with over the years. I even with him when I got to know him. It was a different view. Found that to be true. So many driver. Yes Sir even Kyle Busch. I've gone to his face as you'd like to wear the black cat. You're the best lunch archer and he said in so many words. I'm loving every minute of it when it comes to Tony Again. I didn't get the chance to know him personally when then he first broke into the division was making some starts in the Busch series his PR team. At Joe Gibbs racing. They put together a media dinner at at Dover one year and we went to dinner but there were several media members there and I sat down the table from him that that was actually a rice. That my wife Jany went to and she went to that dinner with me and so she's talking to the guy across the table and we. He drove away from that dinner that night and she said well Tony Stewart's a great guy. I really enjoyed doing and I was like what are you talking about. Tony Stewart was into the the end of the table. She thought that Tim Sullivan. who was working with NASCAR? Pr At the time. She thought that Tim Sullivan was Tony. Stewart uh-huh what there were other media members sitting closer to him and there was one in particular who who kind of dominated the conversation that I ah that is so I didn't get the chance to know Tony. And there were two or three times where I tried to get up with him after a race after a cup race when I was doing a sidebar on him and it didn't go well where yeah I remember one time in his trial Kikinda he. He made it. He made a comment Alexander to about my size. Yeah and I will say this. I don't know that anybody in that sport has been ask pure a racer as what Tony Stewart. He has to be honest with you. I got the impression from Tony that if he had been able to strap into his rice car. Put his helmet on run the race. Get the checkered flag. Then go to his motor coach and walk away from the race. Track in never deal with the media would have been perfectly content. I think to now also say this in his defense again. I didn't get to know him personally. Those that do know him personally. Say the same thing. They say that he is a wonderful guy and has a heart of gold. Well I hope this answers the question. Both of us are thank gave the same as well. which is it's very hard to dislike drivers that you know personal yes? It's now that hard when it's just on a professional level and we brought up Tony's name I guess because he's easy obvious target here But others have been the same way. We've Benji cowboys and there are a few others now. I'd like to reverse the question. which is yet as a lot over the years who is my favorite driver and again when you know them personally? That's a very difficult question to ask. Absolutely wego professional is a little bit easier. My way of thinking about my favorite driver speaking professionally is the one that takes time time to talk to you. We give me a hard time about trying to talk Angi good solid and yes not just yes or no. We've talked also about Dale earnhardt several times on this show and the relationship that you had with him in the relationship I had with him which wasn't much uh-huh I remember one time. It was after the six hundred at Charlotte and I had been assigned the Dale Earnhardt sidebar. And I gotTa tell you it wasn't was it because I didn't like him of course respected his chievements but after a race del Earnhardt did not make it easy on reporters to talk doing absolutely not and he came out of that trailer and he and Richard childress got on their golf cart and JR roads was driving the golf cart and earnhardt looked at made may dead and in that moment the look on his face at what do you got make it quick and I froze froze in in that moment and when I froze the golf cart took off if I had had my wits about me. I would've jumped on the golf cart with them. I have actually early interviewed Dale on a dead run from Garage K.. Stand to his car outside the Roger he answered all my questions nations. No problem with that. Well those walk and Talks Got Kinda dangerous at times because at Richmond one year. We were doing the walk and talk with Rusty Wallace. Alice and there was a camera guy kind of walking backwards film and the whole thing and as we entered the garage. The cameraman fell over. It was like ten car pileup. We all fell over. And Basically Steve the next question that we had comes from Jeff Markowski Kaczynski at the underscore NASCAR JEFF on twitter. And he wanted to know how big of a cluster was the Tabasco. GO FIASCO Roy Moore. Who how much time do you? How well Steve here is what I was Zabell to clean in a nutshell? There was a ton of hot going into the nineteen. Ninety eight season with a new team owned by Bob Hampshire called international international sports management. That was the name of the rice team. Todd Bodine was going to be the driver and of course Tabasco was going to be the sponsor and this was a pretty good sponsorship. This was of course a very well known company had been around for longtime in there were models made of Todd's car there were dock Hass made of of his car. There was a todd. Bow Down Cookbook. So I wonder if Brian Calvin could come up with one of those todd. Bodine Cookbook and Steve. There was a ton eight-tonne a ton of marketing that went into that operation but but evidently there wasn't a whole lot of attention paid to the actual nuts and bolts hours to the therein. Was the problem. The performance on the track was just just pitiful and that said a lot about how the team was running when it came to competition. Marketing was fine but marketing doesn't win raises the fact of the matter areas. Todd Bodine can drive a race car. He is a good shoe. I believe that todd could have held his own. Against either of his Branca's I on the right attract so he could drive a race car. There's no doubt about that but he did fell to offer the season's first three races they didn't have points to fall back on and then Dan he qualified second and finished tenth in Atlanta but then he started to miss more rice. Yeah and that's that's a real shame because you have this fine sponsor coming in it's basketball product to everybody knows and they are pouring all kinds of money into it and they're doing what a good sponsor should do a good spots. It's a never just gives a team a check and stands around backs it up with marketing and advertising to gain the necessary attention. They really need. That's what Tabasco was doing. But the result they were so bad that all right the the basketball team became a joke. That's the only way I could put it and Dan Dera Walter's team had kinda run. Its course and western auto had gone away and then he was having some trouble with some subsequent sponsors Tim. Beverly Everley wound up buying darrow. Walter's team renamed it Tyler jet motorsports and then Tim Beverly also bought the Tabasco sponsored car from Hatcher and and so maybe this was gonna be. The turnaround thinks that that team needed Well No. Dwi had found some success driving the number one Pinzel car for Dale Earnhardt Inc but then once the park came back from his injuries. Darryl was right back in a pretty bad situation with tyler jet and with Tabasco car and Steve Hey took thirteen champions provisionals in fifteenth starts. That was that was sad. That was saying fifty stars again. I can only stress. SO-CALLED TABASCO FIASCO was not not based on Tabasco it was based on team performance and to see Darryl take thirteen champions perennials in fifteen eighteen races. It was sad at first. And then it became ludicrous so that that reflected very poorly and unfairly on Tabasco. The moral of the story is that Tabasco was a decent spots. Are they pretty much got driven sport by team. That literally wasn't up to speed. The sponsor is important but everything has to be an order absolutely. We've already mentioned this many times. When it came to marketing Tabasco was right on target and offering the money it took to be competitive? They're right on target but they're competitive results. Were just awful and that just did not reflect very well on Tabasco which was gone one year so I have a question when you work in racing like we did for so long you accumulate a lot of stuff and one person's trash winds up being another person's treasure true and I gotTa have a story to tell about milt Heflin who was my co author on the Mission Control Book. I went to Mills House while we were writing the book and everything and visited his his office and he had a lot of knickknacks from his time NASA had a Lotta souvenirs and that kind of thing on top of his bookshelf was a contractor tractor model of the Hubble Space Telescope. It is probably maybe eighteen inches dollars. Pretty good sized model on the outside of it it had were all the lines. The Power Airlines were located and all that had the solar rays e opened up the top of it and there's actually a mirror inside for the telescope and all that well I thought it was pretty cool but it was just sitting on top of milk. Shelf had been sitting there for probably twenty five years since he was the flight director for the mission that service the Hubble Space Telescope and I went out to my car car and I checked on Ebay I was GonNa say if I could get one because I just thought it was neat Steve. I found one auction where this very same contractors model had been auctioned sixteen thousand dollars and I'm amy took a screen capture of that and I sent it back to mill. He was still not impressed. It was just something that he had had for years and years and years collecting dust on bookshelf and so now every once in a while he will send me a picture of is model. He took it out his garage. His unheeded unairconditioned garage garage is junk garage and all that so it was out there for a little while. He actually hung it on his bird theater. Just I guess just to give me a heart attack so milt has a lot of NASA stuff. You and I have a lot of NASCAR stuff of all the stuff that you have. What would you consider considered to be your most treasured memento? Well you're tying to okay and it's probably going surprise you a little bit. I have a framed named five dollar. Bill that was my payment given to me by David Pearson Through have bat really wow dollars and signed it but what he wrote was the following. I did not lose this. He cheated. Well you opened the door. What was the bet? I cannot remember can you remember. Can you not tell on family oriented. Show uh-huh now. The other is going to be a little bit unusual. It is a cigarette ashtray astray trimmed in gold. Porcelain trimmed in gold and in the center of it is a painting of Buddy. Baker's nineteen nineteen seventy three Ford Grande Torino. The drove for Bud Moore. Wow Okay it's never had anything put in it at all all it's in pristine shape and I've been offered a thousand dollars for every really. Yeah wow but I don't know of anybody who can come up with that same ashtray anywhere so as hard. It is to believe an ashtray. Lease the back. Okay so you and I have done a lot of joking about. What's your tracks rookie card and offering them to our patriot? Supporters and it being an official rookie card in your garage are hanging to uncut sheets sheets of that entire set now. I gotTa tell you if I were you. Those cards would be kind of at the top of the heat they are. They are right up and very very proud of having those two uncut sheets cards and there was a time when I would thought that they would put my kids through well. That's a different in store that did happen. That's a different story all right rick. I've gone through my list. What are your most prized NASCAR possessions? Well obviously there's the same ball itself and all those newspapers thirty two years in newspapers every issue of saying ever. That would obviously be my biggest memento but I had the chance to go and cover the very first exhibition race in Japan. That was a momentous trip. Yeah I remember that that. That was an amazing adventure and when we got over there of course everything happened with Elmo and that was very sad and then it's a different things happen while we were over over there but I went into one of the gift shops outside the racetrack and I bought a couple of Sam Bass prints bright for that race from what I remember. They were marked at what would amount to be thirty dollars each but from what I understand they were supposed to be marked at what would have been three hundred dollars so I got him for pre game prize. So I got the two prints and I took them around the garage and got every driver in the field to sign him as a reporter as a journalist you're not supposed to get autographs autographs. That's normally taboo. But that far away from home and being in that kind of situation and staying at the same hotel it just hasn't had a different field so I got every driver in the field to sign that print and to this day. One of those prints is hanging in in my den re release something. So you know Dale earnhardt Jr on that Terry Labonte Jeff. Gordon Rusty Wallace who won the race. All the Japanese happened as drivers one actually signed in Japanese which was kind of cool. So yeah that's my Momento of my time in racing Hi I'm Kirk Shell Medine. You're listening to the scene vault podcast. He'll be careful going home. Use Your turn signal where your seat belts and get the hell out of the Left Lane Steve. 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Ep. 111 | Chocolate Myers

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Ep. 111 | Chocolate Myers

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Sein number billions from front. Row motorsports drivers Michael McDowell. John Hunter Nemechek and Todd Guilland even better one. Lucky winner will be chosen. Receive race tickets to join front row at the championship race in Phoenix later this year. Hey everyone welcome to the racing writers. Podcast I'm your host Kelly crandall today is one of my favorite conversations that I've had on the podcast and really pleased with how it turned out. Chocolate Myers guest and you'll hear chocolate on Sirius. Xm NASCAR radio every day from one to three PM Eastern but for an older generation of Nascar Fan. You might remember chocolate. As a member of the famous number three team with Geller heart they won six championships. And that memorable nine thousand nine hundred eight Daytona. Five hundred while chocolate would become known as NASCAR's most famous Gasman. Chocolate is one of the nicest guys you'll ever interact with. Any always has a story to tell so a few weeks ago. I drove to welcome North Carolina and the Richard childress Racing Museum and sat down with the talk about some of his favorite memories from his days on pit road. Being in the radio business promoting the sport and then we did something really cool by walking and talking through the museum for anyone. Who is Dale Earnhardt Fan? You are going to want to hear the stories and nuggets. The chocolate has from the museum. If you've never been in the museum I highly recommend planning a trip and I think after you hear this interview. You will be very intrigued to want to do that. Enjoy a fun. Conversation with chocolate Myers on the racing writers podcasts. My goodness chocolate almost had me in tears before we started this telling me that great story about those cars you got. Do you want to repeat it again or because it's something that I'm really proud of and not only that but a lot of other things and and look I've been the most blessed human being alive I think because You know people come by they. Bring me things that mean something to me. Everything means something to me. We had a guy that worked here one time. That was the guy that mode alone kept up. The parking lot. Did some things like that. And he's a great brand and a guy that didn't have a whole lot and always tried to happy Matt Christmas. You know. Get him a little something. You know just something that meant something to him and he came to me one time and he said. I got you a Christmas present as man. You don't need to get me a Christmas present. I knew he couldn't afford it right. And he gives me a stick with a ribbon tied around it and he had a little note on it and it said chocolate. This is a yardstick a founded in my yard. He said but you can have hours of enjoyment out of it. He said it works great to check the gas in your lawn. More he said. Heck you can throw it and get your dog to bring it back. That stick is in a showcase right now with the nineteen ninety four Winston Cup trophy because it meant something to me right and I get attached and things like that because I'm a people person but you mentioned the cars go back because and I'll give the whole story here in a minute but you know my childhood which stint at the greatest place in the world. That was Bowman Gray Stadium. It was winston-salem North Carolina. My Dad race there. My Dad was a champion. There we live close to there so after my dad lost his lap. Nineteen fifty seven Darlington. A lot of you know that you know. My Dad was one of the early Pioneers Nascar. We were able to walk to Bowman Gray Stadium. Rather BICYC- get my mom detecting so we grew up Bowman Gray Stadium and by being there I met a lot of the legends of the sport. Heck we used to have cup racing at Bowman Gray Stadium. Yeah they had the Myers Brothers Memorial race at Bowman Gray stadium for many many years Started in nineteen fifty eight And I think it went up to seventy one or seventy two. It was the last race. That Bobby Allison. It's the disputed rice. All the disputed is disputed rice. That was the last Myers Brothers Memorial race at bomb-grade said I'm not for that reason but because they were just Things to be worked out but anyway you know growing up as a kid going to bomb gray stadium when I was twelve years old which has been a long time ago about sixty years ago to be quite honest with you. I went there one night and there was a display for a twelve year. Old Kid to see a display with model cars. It was in. This display was made by Ghana. I've researched all this and I've had him here and I've talked to him. His name was Hilton and Hilton. He's getting up there in age right now. Hilton is in his eighties But Hilton had been to the military came home and decided. Because he was Bobby Myers Fan. He build a model car of every car that that he remembered my dad driving. And unlike today right you went to the race. If your car wouldn't run somebody would say we'll just drive mine right so there was a lot of cars different cars that he drove belong to different people and this is against sixty years ago. All of the technology was not out there. You you didn't get on the Internet in order you some stickers right you had to make it so anyway. They were gone for sixty years and a few months ago. Here I got a phone call from a lady. Her name is Betty Everson and Betty one. If I remembered her sure I did and she won't enough. I knew about her husband. His name was junior Persson. He was a dear friend of my dad is a matter of fact. He Double dated with my dad when they were kids but junior love. My Dad junior ended up with these cars. junior Later on had a car dealership down in eastern barred North Carolina moved down to the coast but he had passed away and she said you know the last thing that he told me was. Make sure that you get these cars and for her to bring these to me meant the world to me. She said all I want you to do is let people know where they came from. And I won't people to be able to see them and I said well if I got them. They're going to see them. Right goes on. I'm there I love the show this stuff off. I don't want to hoard it. I don't want to hide it. But she called me. She said I've got those cars here in once inside Lebanon at work at a meet you and she said she was going by the cemetery and I said what cemetery and she told me so. I met her cemetery in Winston Salem. And she's giving me the cars and I'm getting a little choked up because it was pretty emotional because I told her I said you don't know how appropriate is a because my dad's buried right there my dad and once again when we're talking about this my dad's headstone has a NASCAR insignia. Or the old NASCAR ALMOST GONNA tear up. That's just a wonderful story. Have you done? You mentioned showing them off. Have you done? I know on the show on trading paint. You Do Hump Day. She'll tell. Have you done that yet? With the cars kind of hard to do. I don't remember whether we've done show entail. I try to keep it relevant to what's going on at the racetrack so last week. We're able to do a vowel stem. Right it's getting hard to do and the reason it's getting hard to do and and once again I talk about that I'm a traditionalist but yet I'm a realist. E I love what's going on but we've got so smart and so good these racecourse don't have problems anymore. I don't if that's a problem or not I don't know and once again here we are. We're doing this interview a couple of days after we just left California. But we're doing it like ten days after we went to Vegas at Vegas. We had an unusual amount of cautions there and we talked about how great the race was at. Fontana will hardly had any conscience other than stay head one other than stage breaks. And we're sitting here going like we needed a little bit more. Look I used this for a great example and I don't use this to offend anybody. I just you. This is my opinion. I look at what we're doing today and understand what we're doing today right Because things happen change everything has to change but I go back to my roots. Go back to Bowman Gray Stadium and I've said this for a long time Bowman Gray Stadium Right. Now is the only weekly series racetrack They're still running. It's started in nineteen forty eight. They steal race there on Saturday nights during the season they still pack the grandstands. And I'll look at that and I go shouldn't just be a great example now. The racing is not that good not that good but the excitement and drama is out of this world. I don't know of anybody that goes to Bowman Gray stadium to watch cars go round circle but I know everybody. That goes along gray stadium to see what happens when you're in somebody's way now. My other example of that as I look at Bristol Right. I look at Bristol and I go and I love the folks up there and I think they're doing an awesome job now of trying to manipulate the race track with all the things that they're doing now I think they're doing a good job with it. I think everybody found out and the drivers have gotta take some responsibility. They wanted that racetrack fixed. Nobody went to Bristol to see three wide racing. They went to Bristol to see. Tommy or billy bob or dale or rusty or Jay off move that other guy way to get around him and look. I'm the excitement and drama Guy Right. I love the excitement and drama. So I think that we've got a lot of lessons out there to be learned now going back to what we're seeing now once again. It's Kinda to argue about what we're getting because Vegas was unbe speedway racing as always unbelievable always. I love it Vegas unbelievable last week. Maybe not as much. I still enjoyed it too so I like what we're doing when I came in. I said Hi Chocolate High Chalk. That's what everybody knows you. Chocolate Myers. How often are you called Danny Anymore? Amid a guy this weekend that. Niimi is Danny he said I kinda feel kind of weird no chocolate because I never knew you as chocolate but this was a guy that knew when we were like eight or nine years old seven eight or nine years so anyway. I'll go on and tell the story because I would imagine that's GonNa be next. Where did you get the name you know the story? I don't like asking questions but if you would like to tell it for those who don't know you are more than welcome to greatest man in the world or at least one of them. Henry Ford Not Henry Ford of the Ford Car Guy. His name his name was Henry Ford. He was my my little league football coach. Right where you go out and get those life lessons right you get the fundamentals. You really didn't know how to play football. You just run up and down to feel you had a good time but oh Henry Ford threw the ball to me and I stayed out the sun. All the time had this dark complexion and he said catch the ball chocolate. Drop it and all the other kids out. It was the funniest thing that ever heard so they started calling me chocolate. And here I am. My mom went to the PTA meeting one time at. He'll junior high school and she told the teacher she said. I think my son's in your class and the teacher said what's your son's name and my mother said my sons Danny Meyer's and she said the only Myers has chocolate. Meyer so it. It stuck pretty pretty well stuck around for quite a while so you. It doesn't matter what people call you. You don't it's not. It's not a thing where it bothers you that is it does not bother me. I had a guy come in a museum but met me at the racetrack one day and he walked up to him in there. We are working right. We had our goodrich. Uniforms only walks up and he says. Hey Buddy you guys have a guy on your team named chocolate Myers and I said we do. He said which one is. It was actually me. Hey said you don't remember may no and evidently you don't remember me either so things like that that happen every once in a while people will know you from that three-team of course learn heart. The flying aces junkyard dogs. I'm sure you guys had many nicknames. Over the years and we all know Dale's numbers. We know great. Dale is but for you personally. What are some of your personal highlights from your time going over the wall? So I'll tell you the greatest one really you know as a kid growing up wanted to be a race car driver because my dad was a racecar driver is a kid growing up and having those childhood dreams. I dreamed when they being a great race car driver in going to Darlington where my dad lost his life and went into southern five hundred. I never accomplish that as a racecar driver but when we were able to win the southern five hundred for the first time probably one of the most emotional things ever for me really to be able to do that but then going on and you know one of the things that I you know. I never talked about this for a long time because I never thought about it. We want every qualifying race in the ninety S. We want them all. If you go back to data and look at the record books in the qualifying races at Daytona won all of them in the nineties. That was incredible to win the Daytona five hundred and having my family with me to win at the brickyard and have my family with me pretty cool Daytona and we just talked about this the other day on the radio and I tell everybody daytonas really not that big a deal. It's it's not any different than any other racetrack and to you in it and then it changes everything right because you know you want it but you don't want to tell everybody how bad you want it but to go there so many times and be so close you know. The first time I went there was here in eighty four to go down and race with this group. We went down to eighty four and Dale had come back to archie or and this is a time you went to the racetrack. You Kate every engine and gear that you had and we went there and like always we were pretty good but it was the practice engine then the qualifying engine then the the race motor. Then put the practice motor back. I mean we changed motor. We did everything and we finally felt like we were pretty good and we had that last practice on Saturday. Right happy are they used to call it. We go out and we run that card for the very last time. Now we gotta do after this going to run the car get one more lap in. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA get plugged check and look this spark plugs. And then we'RE GOING TO BE SET. Get ready for the Daytona five hundred. We went out on the racetrack and run that last practice. Del Cuts it clean. You know racing people know what I'm talking about. He shuts it down. Going down the backstretch so that we can get a good read on the spark plugs and he coast around the race track. He pulls it. We put him into the garage area. We raise the hood calls. Now we've got to do a few little things to be ready to go with. Raise the hood and we take the air cleaner off and we look in the carburetor. There's a piece gone if there's a piece gone out of the carburetor it had to go through that engine. It's not coming. The only way that it's out of there goes through and here. We are Saturday before the Daytona five hundred nineteen eighty four and we go to the truck to get one more motor and on top of it says last resort last resort and we put that thing in and won that race. Rent second Behind Carryover Nineteen eighty-four. I WanNa talk more about the L. But I WANNA save because we're going to go in the museum and a little bit so we'll tie that into that so let's talk about the radio show Sirius. Xm What's been the positives of doing that over the years and remind everybody what was the first year you started doing that. Gosh I've been doing it like I think. Twelve years. Now you might Milwaukee Daytona and you know she loves sport as much as I do and it Karen actually went to Daniel Norwood said Daniel. You should give him. He's got some great stories. Give him a try. Right acted as your agent. She did she always does always it but she goes to Daniel nor would he is the guy so she goes to Norwood and and he said well if I get an opportunity. I'll do that so I got a call he says. Hey it's off season you know. We got some of the people taking up. You want to give this a try and I did but I I kind of felt out of place because it was almost like instead of me stepping in. I kind of wait for them to ask me a question. I didn't move forward and it was a little bit awkward but then they needed me again and I went back again and then I was going and back and back and then I got an opportunity to do it. Full time and for me. It's the greatest thing ever because I spent almost twenty years going to the racetrack and not going to the racetrack. Go into the race. Track racing for a championship. That's entirely different. That is so much harder than just going right. I'm just telling you when you go there and everything matters every point matters. It is ten times as hard is just going with. Hey let's go to the racetrack. I don't really care. We did care so it was time to make a change are CR. We Lost Dale. We were moving into a new building. Things were starting to change and Richard came to him and he said hey we need to start looking for the future and know that you can still do this. But you're not gonNA be able to do it that much longer so. I got off the road and my wife said this is going to kill you but I think I was ready for it and then right around the corner. It's like we start building this museum. And then Richard came to me one day and I'm over at the other shop and I've got duties over there. I'm doing what are you doing right now? It doesn't matter what I'm what do you need? Will you go to that museum? There's a few things that don't go up there. Show him what we need. So I came back up and I wanted to put this back the way that it used to be so you actually knew how it used to be in a started doing some things and then it was ready to open in Richardson. Hey Look I need somebody up there to look that museum and I think that you can do that so that I've been here ever since and Been Pretty Awesome broadcast out of here. We're all cast. Yes so I cannot have worked out better so when I started doing this we started out at Maurienne. We were there for a while. I would get up every morning. I would drive here. I'd hang around here for a while. I would go to him. Orien- do radio while I drive back to here then. The next thing that happens they open the Nascar Hall of fame. I would still come here in the morning. I would leave here hour. Drive to the Nascar Hall of fame. I would do the radio show and I would drive back here. We did that for three and a half years and then when we started doing some different things than I had opportunity to come back and I want you know the the museum would be a great place. So I'm here in my old office. We took the door cut a cut wind in it. So you can actually look in if you guys around. We broadcast right here Every day now from one until three-year-old trading paint. It's really awesome and serious for me. His kept me in the game. I go to the racist. WanNa WANNA go but I keep up to everything. I like to be tuned in. I like the little store. We all know the big story. You guys write a story about who won the race but who was running twelve and their shift knob bellow the little stories make big story so I absolutely love being involved in the race fans no race fans no racing and I like to give my opinion. Now I will. I will tell you this one thing. I found out real quick. As if you listen you will get your feelings hurt because everybody don't like me and that's okay you know everybody don't like the morning show or the evening show of the midday show and so they call the next show when they go. I don't even listen anymore because I don't like that when you hear that for a few times right. I don't like chocolate Myers. Yeah you start thinking about it but then you realize everybody's different and Pete Mike. They've been on that morning. Show they do such a great job. Everybody involved. I think we're all one big happy family here on serious and I absolutely. I've been a part of you mentioned there about being honest but do you also feel like it's your job to be positive because I would think that. Sometimes maybe the negative feedback. You Chalk is you is that well. He always positive says he likes what you saw. Do you think it's your job to be positive. Or where is the balance between promoting the sport? Because you want people to watch it but being honest well and that is a really good question to the number one thing is. I'm a positive person. Got Up this morning. I went to the cafe how you doing every holiday. I love life. I love being positive now when it comes to the sport whether things I told you earlier I'm a traditionalist but I'm a realist. I'm a Traditionis when I tell you that I love it the way that it used to be but I'm a realist and I know it can't be like that anymore. So I give you the great example one of the things. I use a lot which is a little bit Corny when the truck driver calls the radio show says I hate change I go so do you are riding down the road in a big rig with an air condition. Maybe an automatic transmission. You're talking to a Satellite Radio Station through a Bluetooth device on your cell phone right. Change may not be as bad as as you think it is but when it comes to the sport. We're getting ready to tackle something today. Because we had a big announcement yesterday. We're going to go to a single lug nut. That's the perfect example of change. It is but I should say traditionalist but bright a realist things change. That's right now. Here's where I think that I would have been a little bit upside down right. If they said we're GONNA do like the indycar guys. Do you guys are going to go out on pit road. You'RE GONNA KNEEL DOWN IN. The car is going to come in and stuff but we're not the guys go steal tech the gun. Carry the TAGS GONNA run around the car instead of having five lug nuts? He's going to have one big league. I personally don't think this is going to change anything at all. I personally don't think you're probably going to notice it now. One good thing. I did hear that there will be no more loose. Lug Nut penalties. And how knowing is that? I'm looking forward to not having to write a crew chief later in the wallet. Well Yeah we're talking about. These guys are ten thousand dollars twenty thousand. I think NASCAR tried to do everything they could when they started this. And for all of my and racing. You don't want to hear what I've got to say you guys screw it up. You guys are the reason that we're we're we're at today because they gave you a rule and you took that rule and you see you made that rule work for you and you changed everything. Then you got outside of the rule. The rule had the change. You did it again. You did it again. Nascar says okay. If wheel comes off you'RE GONNA be in trouble so you guys figured out. You could be faster if you only put three lug nuts on and then you got the drivers that I'll get up and say a bunch of the NASCAR has to do more and so here we are. Look I look at this and have been a part of it for a long time. Thank we got the greatest thing in the world but we don't need to screw it up. Wh Who's doing that and are we doing that? Are we not doing that? Every car that we drive today is nowhere near the car. We drove ten years ago. Nowhere even close to the car. We drove twenty years ago. And you WANNA go back. Forty to fifty six. That's what we're racing today. You take the clothes off of that car in other words the sheet metal you pull the sheet metal racecar that we're going to raise this week and I'll take you out here and show you one in the seventies and you're going to say well it's basically the same thing it is. We have got an antique right now and we need to be racing to modern machine. Because you're not going to go to the Toyota Place Chevy Place Or the Ford Place or maybe the dodge place or the you name it. The Honda play. Whatever comes in the future and Bakar? That's going to be an antique. You're going to go then by modern machine so we gotta keep up with that. I understand that and look I think every once in a while they do something that I don't like I'll tell them I'll make my voice heard you know. I think the one thing that we're doing right now. We don't post anymore. How much these guys make. We all know that they're making good money right. But why don't you put that number? I don't I don't care what they're making in their personal lap on what that race pace for first second third for fortieth so we've kind of hid that from the public. Don't think we need to do that now. On the flip side when it comes to the negativity I know that you get very upset when it seems like people are constantly hammering on the negative and I think your analogy that I've heard before is it's kind of like the supermarket right. Explain why it is that you kind of take issue with your folks who are constantly hammering on the negative of the sport and I'm talking about the people on the inside of the sport not the race fans the media uh Sir Journalism. Yeah I'm not telling me about that. They need to cover up anything but once again what I hate right now and behind me there's a TV in the news zone. Give me the Dang News. Not your opinion. I watched the race last week. I thought it was pretty good. I I don't want somebody else over there on giving me their opinion and tell me how bad it was. So we'll go back to a few years ago we're getting ready to Daytona and we always bring a beaker in here to give a little motivational speech right. Everybody does it so for whatever reason win have a speaker. I don't know whether one cancelled or whatever and Richard said. Hey you I want you to go over and talk to those guys now thought about it a little bit about what I was. GonNa say and I use this example. I said if we on the inside the people that work in racing not not here at RC. Orbit in general. Because I think they're the worst ones if we worked across the street and here in welcome. There's a foodland store across the street. Great Place I love to go over there and this is not about them. This is just a story that I used as it. So if you did not work here and you worked at the grocery store whatever grocery store you wanNA use right and because you worked at the grocery store you bought a new truck and you were working there and you're making your truck payment and you're putting a little something back to send your kids to college and you've got a mortgage right but yet every time somebody walked into the grocery store you went over and said hey look you know the produce. It's not that good or the meats tough. You know what's going to happen. Why are they going to come to your store? Why are they going to buy your product and all of a sudden? They don't need you anymore. You're out of a job and I think and and look. I think the longest time in evidently somebody talk to the drivers were the absolute worst right of giving their opinion and they gave their opinion when they had a bad day when their car didn't run the way they wanted it to. They said everything is awful. You can't pass. These cars are terrible. What are they thinking? And all the thousands of people that listened to them automatically thought that was exactly the way they said now that was their opinion and so I think that if we look at what we're doing with the sport I see both sides. I see upside because with this new car that we're GONNA come out with. Maybe IT GETS MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED. WanNa save more people maybe more manufacturers? Because it's going to be a modern machine. I'm the last guy in the world that probably you ever thought that you would hear this so you go rent a car now. Are you going to get a car? You want electric or you wanNA hybrid and you know my neighbor. That lives down. The street from me owned a Chevrolet dealership and he drives an electric car. And I go. Hey like I absolutely love I. Don't go out of town. I just drive here and it runs as good as any curve ever driven. I started a few years ago around the bicycle and found out real quick. It's doing it for exercise. Found out real quick. It was a little bit difficult for me to do so. I started building. Electric Bicycles. Technology is here and some of the things that we can do. Today are so absolutely unbelievable. I enjoy I enjoy. Look it out and going like you know. They're they're talking about the electrification is coming. Sure it is show you get check the news? They're going to be places in the very near future at least in your laptop that you're not going to be able to buy a car that you're gonNA stop input gasoline in that in your lap. Tom will go away. I was with my daughter the other day and I said in your lap Tom. You will live in a house one day. That will not have any wires. Go into it. You will not have to worry about your electric bill because that power cord coming off. That poll to your house is not going to be there and people go what stupid. That's crazy. Well you don't have a telephone land you don't have a you know you can get TV without a without a land. Power is going to be like that as well. So we've got to look at those things you know Do I love racing like it used to be. Yeah got it. And here's the other thing. I look back at some of the greatest races in the history of the sport and I go. They were great then. That race may not be so great right now of my greatest examples. Another told you this. I don't have the numbers in front of me but I invite anybody out there to go look it up. We always talk about some of the fifty greatest races ever in the history of Nascar Nineteen seventy-six Daytona. Five hundred is one of them. Richard Petty David Pearson come into the land and everybody gets a lot. That race was great. And when you do realize that David Pearson was the only car on the lead lap and again. I know he wasn't. Oh Yeah. Richard didn't make it all the way back. Do you know that the third-place guy was was a lap down? The fourth place guy was two laps down. The fifth place guy was like sick. Look it up the math place guy in the nineteen seventy six Daytona five hundred thirteenth. Once again. I don't have in front of me. Richard childress either finished ninth or tenth and he was either nine or ten laps down so if that happens today nobody goes to next race. So it's a whole lot better today. In my opinion that happens today people would lose their minds. Even though you already do well the other thing and thank you for reminding me of that in a roundabout way. There was a time that we raised on Sunday. I was fortunate. I lived in Winston Salem so the Winston Salem newspaper because RJ Reynolds was here or the Charlotte newspaper. Because it's in the hub of NASCAR. But we got a story Monday morning. If you lived in Omaha probably waited 'til Thursday till the national speed. Sport came to get the racing news today. You get it every sacked and by the way when. I say that you get the knees. Well you get a little bit of knees mixed in with everybody's opinion. I love social media to use it as a tool Because I found out that gives me instant news if you look at it the right way or but you can't just go and go up you know it's like the other day give you a great example. My Wife says. Did you know that coal pearn quit? Now where'd you hear that? She said on twitter he about who right and she said Joe Gibbs and what if this was Tommy? You're Billy Bob. Put that story over. I'm going to do a little research right. So it was social media. Today it has get it. We all basically have a backstage pass when it's used as a tool resource. It's great going back to serious starting on the show you mentioned took a while for you to really kind of jump in and be not wait for your cure so to speak so around one time when you started doing it on a regular basis. Did you really start to feel comfortable in your role? Hang on the radio and saying what you wanted to say and not feeling like a guest. I don't know months into it. Here's the other thing. That's absolutely unbelievable that you have to learn a minute as a long long long time. You think it's only going to be a minute. Look at your clock. Stop what you're doing or even better yet start to make a story and you start and you make. That story lasts for one minute. It's a little bit more difficult than you think. And then to get that Q in your ear one minute or thirty seconds thirty seconds and then you think you first. You'd hear thirty seconds. You've got well folks. Thank you very much for listening. And then you find out. Well wait a minute. I still got twenty eight seconds left so figuring out that America's longtime interviewer you know sometimes most folks will say that's a hard job right always trying to come up with questions and make sure you're not stuttering or you're clearly are asking what you want to say when it comes to when you guys have guests and you know you're going to be talking to the driver crew chief team owner. What's your approach to asking questions and trying to figure out what you really WanNa know. You Know I. I'll do a little research. I found out I if I don't know right. I do a little research. Find Out in what they've done in the past. Find out all the details right and then you want to or at least I wanna have one of those funny stories or something to go along with it to lighten the mood up yesterday. Here on the Channel We had Harrison Burton. And of course we're talking to him. You know I know. Because what's the kid grow up and I know most of and then we get to a point. I said son. I know that your mom and dad did a lot to help you get here but I'm not so sure how much more your mom's going to be able to take now a see her on the pit box. I don't know where Your Dad's Hadden. I don't know whether he's as bad as she is or not. But you know you want it to be personal you want to raise fan. Look the the race fans can look up and see where they finished. But you wanted to how to get there. How did that car handle? What did you tell them to make that car a little bit? Better one last thing before we go in the museum so we're sitting here. Is We mentioned in your office amazing? I've never had a chance until now. Really look at it. What are some cool things you can tell everybody about what you have here in your office? You have race. Poster Area Cardboard cutouts of course trophies. And now you're the cast of your dad's car. What are some other things that stand out mccullers? Twins is of course. I was Grand Marshal bomb-grade Stadium. There's an Obama Graham trophy trophy there. That's really cool. Because it has an. I don't know what happened. But it says Bobby Myers Bobby Myers Curtis Turner in Bobby Myers. I don't know whether it was like whoever won. The most racist got the trophy. I I don't know but that goes back in the day. I used to collect cranked phonograph. Right so that is a victory. That's over one hundred years old. That plays unbelievable. The Gaskin in the corner. That's off color that is supposed to be bronze. The couldn't get bronzed. But when I came to work for Richard childress. Yeah he teased a little. Bit Hiccup Hey man. I may not make you rich. But I'll make you famous so when I got off the road. Richard had that put on the gas. Can I may not make you rich but I'll make you famous. So that's in here and just you know family photos Oma posters. I love the real stuff right and I found these things. A guy called me one day and said Hey Do you remember ankle? I said I absolutely and I was my buddy. I worked with him while while we were clean his house at and we were up in the attic and evidently every time he went to a race. He took a poster down off. The I call them circus posters. But they'd be on the side of the barn on telephone pole so all these posters are probably from nineteen sixty nine and then I saw one the other day on on facebook and I sent a message that I went dude. I've been wanting to Darlington poster forever and so got a southern five hundred poster. The others back here kind of cool to there's one over shelby and that's Kinda Fun because you look at it and it says race directed by Bruton Smith. It's nineteen fifty six so just cool stuff. Just Costa pitchers of Dale of course seventy fifth anniversary Chevrolet clock. You know so. There are over one hundred now. That's been in here for a while every once in a while I'll have to come back indeed debris and of course we've got the raccoon that's hiding behind a berm. Many of these left this was when we had the All Star Race. Few years go and we did the tires with the different Tyre compounds. I kept me on a green lettered. Goodyear yes that was from when we did. You could have the softer that's right. They weren't solved enough. I love the plan but I think that we needed plan a little bit more. Yeah I remember that. That was one of the topics I remember. A few of US discussed. Afterwards it was a great idea but I think what the temperature and just the roads that it just didn't turn out as hope. Alright chocolates. Pause this and wander around the museum and we'll talk about Dale and everything about over here on the campus all of that before we get to the second part of the interview. I have to put in an editor's note when chocolate and I walked museum and started talking. I realized about a minute or two in that I'd hit the wrong button on my recorder and the tape wasn't rolling so what we had started to talk about was whether it was hard chocolate to walk through the museum and be surrounded by all those black number three cars and started that part of the conversation by telling chocolate why the first time I ever came into the museum. It was motion for me to see those cars for those who don't know I became a NASCAR. Fan following EARNHARDT's death. His passing was something that I like. Many others continually heard about and it drew me to the sport. The very first race I watched was the July two thousand one race at Daytona. I've always said that an unfortunate situation. One of the sports darkest days is what brought me to NASCAR and shared that with chocolate when asking him if it was hard to walk into the museum as it was for me are audio and conversation picks up with chocolate talking about that. I look back today. I think about it more today than I did. Then because back then it was just a blur you either racing or testing all the time. You don't have much time for anything but to be able to put this back the way that it used to be your as close as we could get whether it used to be. Intel. The story we have a lot of people come in here that leave in tears. I was one of them brought along time like I said so. We'll show you some of those things but you know to be able to come in and we'll spend around here and look at our centerpiece which is the nineteen ninety eight Daytona five hundred and to go down there and finally win that race and have my family and then to bring this car home. Put it in this building and put victory lane behind it the way that it used to be. That's awesome to look into this race shop. I told you that Richard he said I want you to go up there and kind of show him the way that it needs to be and I'll give you a great example here and this is kind of what I'm talking about. We got a car here. It just regular cards car that we rebuild and right it's jacked up. Don't have an engine in it. Steering box laid right there. And then that's not just laying there for reason it's laying there so somebody can look at it and go. That's the steering box. Look at the back of it. There's a gear. Leeann there so you can see it sprang land there. You can look under but one of the things that I did. That people said you're crazy and I went over to down to the shop. Left headlight decals. And what do you want them for us it? I'm just GONNA put him on the floor so that the race fan can see that. Those are details not headlights and he went. Everybody knows that and I don't know they don't race fan. See these cars. They may think those are real headlights in them. So let them know that they're not. They are DECAF. Little China. Sold anybody's intelligence right but we want them to kind of know how it used to be so the room. We're in now. This was the old the assembly shop right so we put them together. Took them apart so we got it back with sponsors on the wall a six championships at room right here. So that's pretty doug on cool you mentioned the tears is I was just saying I mean it kind of is getting to me right now because again. This unfortunately is passing is what brought me sports to see the actual cars and another point you just made is was really cool for folks that. I learned the first time coming through here as you mentioned. You know it's Kinda laid out. This is the original building. I mean this is where you mentioned. This is the assembly room and you could walk through different parts of this museum and see what it used to well. We put a museum kinda like in three parts right. You come into the old racial. That's where we're at now. Then you walk through our wildlife and conservation area with that has a lot of Richard hunting trophies and a lot of don't understand and I love to tell the story without the people that go out and hunt and fish like Richard and Johnny Morris in the bass pro shop folk Then we lose a lot of that now going to give you a great example. We support for conservation groups here at the museum. Ducks Unlimited National Wild Turkey Federation North Carolina Wildlife Habitat Foundation and the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. Now the reason that I tell you that a lot of people don't know this but you can go now up into the North Carolina Mountains Tennessee mountains and sea ilk for the first time since like seventeen eighty and these groups brought him back in and repopulated and now they're up there. They're not fenced in the roaming wild and I think that a lot of people miss that we got so many people today. They're not going to go out and hunt. They're not going to go out and fish. And it is a way that it's part of what made this country great right now for me. I'm not one hundred either. I'm a looker. I love the outdoors but I also remember without those folks than we. You know. We don't have what we've got and then you go down into the opening of the museum and that kind of gives you the fifty year history of our cr all right to that point you mentioned you know the Wildlife Stuff. What would you say chalker some of the things you recommend when fans come here to really take a look at maybe water your favorite parts of this museum that our must see for fans well of course the Daytona car is special? You go back in the back. We've got a transporter parked in there. And when I say a transporter it's the transport is the way that it used to be. You can walk through that transporter You can look inside the cabinets you see it all the wildlife and conservation area. It's unbelie everything here. You know we really. We don't hardly have one thing highlighted but everything and look. Here's the deal too when you come here. If you come here during the week after you walk through the museum then you can go across the street and go into the ray shop. I tell everybody. Come into the Richard childress racing museum. You see the past present and hopefully the future of NASCAR. Do you WANNA try and walk and talk good. We can walk doth so we were standing by the of course the Daytona five hundred car. You know when it comes to Dale Chocolate. Do you enjoy the fact. That folks probably still whether it's on the radio or if they see you at the race track they still want to talk about. Dale and that's good. Because I know the real story I was there I was part of it and look I. I'm just saying that. What dillard did what Richard? Children's did they could have done it without me. They could have done it with other people but I was a part of it and it was an unbelievable story and I'm not going to get into the debate of the greatest of all time. You'd pick whoever you won't. I'm just telling you. There is no doubt in my mind that Dale Earnhardt was the greatest of all time. Jimmy Johnson. He may be your Richard Petty. Maybe that's not going to get into that. Look it's kind of like Babe Ruth and now you've got guys and I'm going like dude. So Babe Ruth had glove. It looked like he was just trying to keep his hand. Warm and these guys today got a glove. It looks like trash can right. How do you compare the records? How do you compare what Dale Earnhardt did with? What Jimmy Johnson's do it? I told somebody the other day so Richard Petty when the race was over he got in the truck and drove the car. Home Jimmy Johnson. When the race was over he got on the plane with his family and flew home. And I'm not knocking either. One of them to say. How do you compare that? I don't think you can't Dale. Earnhardt was a guy during our time that could take a non winning car in Winter Rice Jimmy Johnson for the past two and a half years his had a non winning car and he was non winning. If you understand what I'm saying I've talked about this for two and a half years when people would call the channel and they go Jimmy. Johnson's done this. And I'm GonNa do you think Jimmy just forgot how to drive a race car. Think so I think you've got to have a fast race car to be able to go fast. I believe it was last month. You were giving an interview. I think it was after the Daytona five hundred and you had made the comment that something along the lines of we still talk about Dale earnhardt today more than we talk about some of the guys who were on the race track. Is that a good thing or bad thing. Well we compare everything in our sport to Dale Earnhardt. And I don't know whether that for me. It's a good thing because I was there and I was a part of it makes me prey on but it no matter. It's like well. What would dale thing? What Dale do so and once again we'll get back to the greatest it's ever been. I don't remember anybody sitting there going. What would jimmy? Or what would Richard Do? What would Kevin to now? It all goes back to Dale EARNHARDT AND IN MY OPINION. Dale earnhardt was the perfect guy at the perfect time. In this sport we sell the sport grow like absolutely unbelievable during that time and he was the guy that grew up next door right he was the meal Hill Town Guy. The guy and people would watch him racing. He can do it. I could do it right. And he got through working on the car then he went to the farm. But I just think that to answer your question. I don't know whether that's good or bad. But if there's any doubt in anybody's mind about look for the longest time it was Richard Petty and I love Richard Petty to create guy when we used to go to California Rice with. Tell them you know we were in Winston Cup. And they'd say what's that and you'd say it's like Richard Petty drives and everybody would know what you're talking about. Well we went from that to its cars like Dale earnhardt drives right and anywhere around the world and you know. I've been pretty fortunate bill to do some pretty cool things. A few years ago I went to Israel and I'm in Israel and I'm an Old Jerusalem and I'm on the via della rose and it's the most one of the most historic places in the world right and you're walking in the footsteps of Jesus Right and I'm walking through there and there's a kid sitting out in front of one of the shops with Adele earnhardt shirt. Really you know so able to do here at childress racing its point. Oh goes back to. We've walked into. What was the engine room? Yeah. There's also a replica. Richard childress his original office. How in the world were you guys able to bring that back to life? We'll the office was pretty cool because you know when we built a new building we built a new office and he didn't need the stuff so we're able leave most evident but we did figure out a way to to cut a door or hallway so the race fans go and look inside the engine room. We actually moved out of this room a couple of years before we quit racing just building when we were racing just Dale. This was big enough to build engines for Dale. So the next thing you know. We're two cartoons. We had Mike Skinner and there was not enough room so we build a new engine chop down the hill and so then this rim became more of what it is. Today it gives a little bit more room. We were putting cars in here But what we've been able to do is put all those old pictures on the wall and let you know what was in the engine room. There's eighty linear there's Danny the LAROSA spinning Kundun. Guys were building engines. Here they're represented. They worked in that room and the next room tear down room. So we we put all of it back the best way we can now before you start laughing. Because I know that it's common because we've got one thing here. That's pretty special as well. Home of the nineteen eighty-five Unocal. Seventy six pit crew race champion. North Carolina Motor speedway marks. The Second Nineteen eighty-five Worl- record twenty eight point. Eight nine eight. That was not the pit stop. That was the time that you were on pit road. I have to tell everybody that because reality the pit stop then was probably eighteen seconds but it wasn't twenty eight seconds so science and technology has got us where we are today. And while we're talking about I'll share this with you. We for the longest time did not have any training or anything we got ready to go to Daytona. Maybe we could go out and do a pitstop practice before we went. Maybe if it wasn't raining and everybody did the same thing so it didn't really matter for anybody that don't know this when it changed was when a group of gas got together and said less make us a pit crew. We're not GONNA do anything. We're not gonNA work on these cars. We'RE GOING TO TRAIN. And we're going to be the best pit crew ever because we're gonNA work at it and a group of guys got together and they did that and they said we're for her. You want highest fit your car and somebody hired him and we started getting beat every time and then every team out there said. Hey we got to do the same thing so we started. Taking guys out of the shop started working out here it. Richard jolts raising this kind of the craziest thing. You can't take any chances at all. We've got an indoor pitstop facility and a lot of the other shops do because think about this and I'll just give an example so you're getting ready to Daytona right and you're gonna go to Daytona in two weeks and you get one of the snowstorms. Snow cleared up. But it's Melton in the parking lot stays wet and here you are you getting ready to go to Daytona. The guys have not had any real time practice so we had to go indoors with it and I think everybody else is doing the same thing and the guys that work on the pit crew. That's what they do. They work on the picture. They don't have to work on. The car is their fresh when the race starts before we move along just to point out some of the cars in here for folks who may come and look. There's the Peter Max car yes there is. Is that the quicksilver. It was that the name of it the that is the first one that is the car that changed and we spent a lot of time talking about that earlier this year. But I'll tell you right now. Ford used to have a commercial on TV. And I know that you're way too young to remember but the guy was right down the road a Ford and the light bulb goes off his head right. He's got a better idea when we opened the truck up and they rolled that car out of the back of that truck. You could see the light bulb going off on everybody's head because if anybody don't know what this is I'm GonNa explain to you so before this car was made. If you're a dock Hass collector you went and bought you a black number three and that was a Martinsville Car Daytona. It didn't matter they were all the same. So if you bought one you were done right so somebody come up with an idea of going like you know what? Let's make it a different color so that started it all from that time on. At least every time we went to the all star race somebody special paint scheme and this room full of special Saints Games as well as the Coca Cola cars. The Olympic car from Atlanta nineteen ninety. Six is beautiful. The wheaties car makes me laugh because so again as I mentioned I come into the sport because of sales passing so from two thousand four until Gosh until I was on a credential the race I went to every year was July Daytona races and we would wander round all around the midway and across the street at hooters they would always have show cars sure and I somehow talked them into letting me sit into a Dale Earnhardt wheaties show car and I have a picture of that. So it's cool to see that car in to see a life size box. Well I got some good news for you. I've got a car that we're going to let you in a few minutes as well. Maybe you need to get a picture made but I WANNA while we're here and you're talking about that. That was one of the things that made. Dale earnhardt really proud Dell was just one of us he was not that super. He was superhero to us right but he still acted like he was just a regular guy. He called us in the truck. One day he went. They're gonNA let me run I-RAQ rice and that meant something to him. He was really excited about it because he was going to be on the level with those other guys and then to be on that wheaties box that right. There was one of those things that made him really really proud. Well I'm GonNa let you lead the way you're it's up to you now talk you take me where you wanna point some things out while we walk. I WANNA ask you this. When it comes to the museum first off tell everybody some details of maybe the hours of the museum they. WanNa come visit and anything they need to know about getting info. We're up here on Monday through Saturday. Excuse me Tuesday through Saturday closed on Mondays. We open from nine till five So come check us out now until three on Saturdays and if you come during the week you're also going to be able to go to the right shop. It is open to the public. Has A fan walk in it? We really try to do everything we can here. We do some special events you can check us out online at our museum dot com to find out because every once in a while throughout the season. We'll do some special deals on Saturday. And they're gonNA be able to come in and have a little breakfast with us and the whole complex. I'll show you personally around the museum so we don't do that all the time But we'll still do it some of the strategies in the year now here while we're here. I wanted to show you this car special cars. Well I told you that I've been around while so it's it's a little bit harder to get into these cars today than it used to be but let me. Oh wait a minute so we do have a car that the door opens so that people that don't WanNa Clo- crawl through the window can actually get in and get their pitch so yep and we would love for you to do that. Come get your pitcher made and thought up there on social media. Let everybody know where you're at because we love to have you. We're in welcome. Welcome to welcome a friendly kind of place. We try to live by. I'll have to do that before I leave after we're done talking here so another thing. I wanted to know. Talk about the museum as you lead. The way here is do things get changed out often or is it what it is or do you change things out. We do chase things out a little bit but this room pretty much stays the way that it is because it represents the way that it was back in. What was the original ratio? Yeah now that being said last year was our fiftieth anniversary. We put up a lot of documentation. They're showing from the beginning. How this all started from back in the days? Nineteen sixty nine. The Grand American racing you know and how Richard got to where he's at today the room we're in now. We just had a birthday party in here Saturday. So we do some events like that we have. And we're we're on the we're in the process of making this a little more interactive for kids to come in. You want him to be involved. But you don't want them to get hurt so some of this stuff is kinda heavy for kids but I wanna the next and we talked about this. Earlier is one of the coolest things we've got here is a transporter that sits inside and this is something. A lot of people never have an opportunity to do is to actually go in one of these transporters in ours is not only is it open still has two cars in you know. I tried to explain to the race. Fans what a transporter is. We don't live in it. We don't sleep in it. Don't have a bathroom in it. But it is a race shop on wheels and when we go to the racetrack we should have everything or anything. We need to fix or repair a car. And if we tear up once a bad that we can't fix it we have the spare up top now. The other thing that you're looking around in here so we had a program one time here and I'm not going to say that it was a bad idea but it was an idea that we had of let the race pants come in. And we're going to let them have sharpie when they walk through the door and we've got an Autograph Wall. We're going to let them sign or leaving note. Well you can see that those up there were down here. It didn't take very long to get those filled up. We had to move them up there. We had to put some more down here and then we finally decided that probably the wrong thing to do is let somebody in a building and give them a pin and tell them they can ride on the wall because you can see that it got kinda out of hand. So we've got them all. That people did which is really cool with thousands and thousands and thousands of people that came in and wrote a little message on the wall. Most of them about Dale and what he meant to them transporter. What can you tell us about? Was this one used. What was it from? What can you tell us about this transporter? Well I'll tell you what we did so we were one of the first teams that got connected therewith feather light when they came into Nascar. Actually I went up to Cresco Allah and spent some time with them kind of showing them what we needed. So we were on a pretty good deal. I think with feather light. They would Bring us a truck and we would use it all year and then we would get another one the next year so this one is one that we had when Dale was here and we used it while Dale was here. We got rid of it and then when we built the Museum. Richard call feather light and said WHO got that trailer. We want to buy it back so we bought the trailer back. That was an original trailer. Now you've been around the racetrack long enough to know that the tractor that hooks to the trailer is a very expensive piece of equipment. Well we had a brand new tractor hooked to it so we could not do that. We could not take that tractor off the road so we bought another tractor. We hooked to this trailer and we pulled it in here and sit in here for over ten years until we managed that tractor out and when we did we back this out and we hooked the original tractor. So this got peterbilt TRACTOR UPFRONT. That tractor trailer. Our original original that Dale Earnhardt used these and we put it back in here the way that it used to be next to the transport. Here there is a video for check out that journey chalk year job as fuel man gas man of the number three team when you were going over the wall. How dangerous was the job then? Compared to what you see on pit now well at the beginning it was a lot more dangerous but you know I was one of the guys that that that was around before we had a pit road speed limit right and then we have terrible tragedy in Atlanta. We lose Mike Rich. We started. Slow these guys down a little bit and then one thing leads to another somebody else gets hurt. We start wearing helmets. I actually wore helmet before that. Not so that I didn't hurt my head for fire protection but we've watched things change a lot and I think one of the biggest changes is what we're talking about a few minutes with people being in better shape now and no one a little bit more about what they were doing. I APPLAUD NASCAR for all the safety. Things they've done we got that catch. Can Man out from behind the car. I mean who thought that was a good idea right now when we we were talking about this yesterday was going like yeah. We're GONNA race last weekend. Pitch limit was fifty five miles an hour. If you don't think that's fast I tell you what go go. Try to cross the road when cars are coming and they're running fifty five. It's it's a lot faster than you think. Yeah yeah so I got one more thing that I like to point out while we back here. Just as a reference for everybody this pitcher and We're showing pitcher of one of the callers or Lumina actually here and it's got about less than twenty people. That's everybody that worked here above. That is another pitcher and that is a pitcher of the wind tunnel at Lockheed and Lockheed is down at Marietta Georgia and its own. The Naval Air Station or at least used to be a naval air station The recent I point that pitcher out and get a little bit choked up talked about it. I drove that truck and a couple of cars down to this one tunnel and I was there in early in the morning and we were doing our test and a military officer walked in and he said gas. We may have a problem. Just hang on little bit. We'll let you know there's been a plane that flew into one of the world trade centers and we don't know at this time whether it's accidental or intentional and we were there we kinda went on about a business. He came back in later and he said gas where under attack. This military base is military lockdown. Which means that you guys can continue. Do Your work but you will not be able to leave and come back on this base so we stayed there a little while then we started to realize what was happening and we started trying to get people back home We had another group. They were tested in Memphis. We were in Atlanta. I couldn't carry everybody back in his truck but we started trying to figure out things that we were going to do. But Richard childress on nine. Eleven was on a hunting trip and the Yukon territory. He was traveling by Bush plane which could not fly anymore or dog sled he fortunately had a sat phone with him where they could get in touch with him and you know. Unfortunately we've got a lot of young people now that don't remember what that was like But we didn't know what was going to happen and we were trying to figure out what we were GONNA do. Where are we going to convert this shop for military use or we were all in or at least Richard was all in but I I like to point that out when we come back year because it was just one of those days in our history that you know if you around you don't forget. Oh Yeah two more questions for your talking some more stories. You WanNa tell the first being again coming back to the museum so Richard comes to you and you told it a little bit earlier. Hey we're putting this museum together. Can you help out when you start putting the museum together and it really starts to take shape into what is today? How much of what fans will see. Any Museum was already here somewhere on campus. And was there things that you all had to track down and maybe have gotten away over the years. No it was mostly here or we had and look a lot of people dillon who was easy on Rice Carson. And I know that you'll that I'm crazy when I say that we didn't terrible auto race cars. You know maybe we tore knows. Offer a tail off. Those were things that were easy to fix so we had a lot of cars are special cars over. The other room are Special events cars see we may we may have had one of these black cars That we said. Hey we're GONNA RUN AT CHARLOTTE LESS painted silver or Peter Max or weeds or whatever. We may have went and ran that car as as a silver car. We may have put back black the next week and raced it some more but we always kept records so we put them back when we did the museum the way that they used to be. And you know we're still adding to the bottom of the museum. It's it's a lot of cars down there as well. You know when we still do some pretty cool things you know Austin with the Daytona five hundred win that cars here Kevin Harvick we've got three Daytona five hundred winners here in the museum We've got the Eldar truck you know and we're still doing some pretty cool things that we get ready to add another tolerant car because he won the championship last year. So we're still able to add cars and things to the museum but it's really a a cool place. I think this Fab shop is a great example of this equipment. That is in. This room was equipment that was in this room right so the things you see are things that we used. When we were working on Dale's car so when we moved into the new building we upgraded. We bought a lot of new things so some of these things we didn't need and I'm going. Oh don't get rid of we keep them. We're good let's keep them. This is the way that it used to be right here. Last question for you talk is because again. We could talk all day but my last question for you being. I think anybody who listens to you on the radio or comes to visit you here on our campus can tell that you love this. This has been this has been your life and you still love doing it. So how long are you going to keep doing it until you can't do it? No more hopefully. I don't know where you live or where you grew up or anybody out there this listening to this here in Lexington North Carolina. Most of the people that lived here worked in a furniture factory. They couldn't wait to get out of that furniture. Factory right up the Road Winston-salem. You probably worked at cigarette factory and you wanted to get out as soon as you could. Well my deals a little bit different. I work at something and I absolutely love to do. I LOVE THE RACE FANS. I love to look. There's that comes through here that I don't say hey. How are you guys from? Thanks for coming. Thanks for been in your time here so hopefully I can do it for a long time to come. I think that with this car that we've got coming next year. We all have high hopes and expectations. I think we've got to give it a chance. You know and and I think that in this society we live in today. That's the one thing we don't do. We don't give anything a chance. I've watched them social media before the race. Not being over with and they're gone is worse race. I've ever seen and then raises overnight. Going that's best race ever right so remember. It only takes something one thing to change everything and so hopefully this new car will be that one thing that we need to get more people involved young folks you know the NASCAR fans the ones that I know. We've been around for a long time and we we've watched something incredible happened here in Nascar with the growth of the sport. I I sit here today. And and and get so mad sometimes that and we started this interview out with the positive negative right. And it's the Dang thing that we can have a race and we can have one hundred thousand people in datum that holds one hundred and two thousand and instead of speaking about one hundred thousand of their. We're more interested in the two thousand. That didn't come there right so I'm gonNA keep up my positive approach because I'm a positive person and I appreciate you coming over here because I want everybody to know what this is really luck. I can't thank you enough chocolate all the time. I'm so glad I got to come back in the museum. I can't believe I've only been here twice so impressive but again you could tell stories all day. I thank you for telling a few of them here and I appreciate. I hope you enjoyed it. Will you know the one thing that we're all guilty of as I mentioned that that had an opportunity to go to a lot of different places but there's places at home I've not been to so we need to spend a little bit more time In our own backyard. I I was going to do that. One time carrying on our talking about doing a book things you can do in your own backyard. Well the Richard childress racing museum is one of them. So if you guys are running down the highway or your local come abound. Check US out a huge. Thank you once again to chocolate for wanting to sit down in his office and talk and then walk around the museum and share some interesting nuggets. I cannot tell you enough. How IMPRESSIVE THE ARE CR. Museum is from seeing many many. Dale Earnhardt cars to the way in which the museum is set up to resemble what the RC. Our shop look like as you heard in the podcast. The museum is housed in. What was the original shop so the way in which chocolate and everyone else have set up the museum for fans to walk through? You are seeing tools and cars and everything else as it once was a thank. You also goes to chocolates wife's Karen who I met at the NPA Hall of fame dinner and then again in Daytona and she was so helpful and scheduling time for me to get with chocolate another thing the museum. It's not just Dale earnhardt cars. A lot of it is Dale earnhardt specific. But there's also a whole section for other drivers who have come through are CR there. Are Kevin Harvick cars? Clint Boyer cars even cars that Dale Earnhardt Jr. one races with when he was entered for our CR there's wildlife you heard about that has also there. It is just an impressive impressive building and I highly recommend you make a trip. I hope you enjoyed today's episode. And of course you can leave a rating and review to acknowledge that you did or if you WanNa send me some feedback on twitter. 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08-21-19 NASCAR America Motormouths

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08-21-19 NASCAR America Motormouths

"<music> hello and welcome to motormouth really good here with dale jarrett in our very special guest longtime nascar race director. David hoots is in the house us. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. We have a good time this afternoon this is i'm afraid i'm going to get called down here sometime today. That's how i feel. I'm i'm just watching what i'm going to say you can say anything. I don't have a tray like okay so nate. Ron did something for me and got this is a copy copy basically of a mass our rules and things in the rule book way get. You've you've read this. I assume at some point at some point in time is really stabile. Tar told me to ask you that by the way i had a limited involvement in a few rules book meeting. Yes sir okay and this is a few steve atar. Probably there's probably a long list that we've had conversations about and if it wasn't testing to find out my heredity or anything chick chick family say anything. This is exciting for me. Let's let's check out our starting grid before i cruise on by. We know that joe gibbs racing has been on a roll this year but can they lock outfit championship for in miami. That's a great question. Plus two races ago can appear bubble drivers battled apple their way back into a playoff spot and we want to hear what you have to say at the hashtag. Let me say this neat. Ryan's gonna be here later to talk about. This and i hope you guys have david. Who's here 'cause you can call and ask those questions that you've always wanted to ask director so give us a call. One eight four four aren't nascar n._b._c. That's eight four four nascar n._b._c. Share your thoughts on jayjay. Are the playoffs a whole lot more or perhaps yourself question. You say david various director. What do you think about this call. I want to know this is the most time i've ever spent with. David hoots officially because i don't typically get invited to the morning meetings. We would all you a lot of times on a golf cart. You always look like you're really working but i'm going to try not to be nervous because if you see david previously at racetrack you thought i hope i'm on the right side of whatever's about half and i invited myself to the meeting on friday dale really well. It did so that being said and <hes> david. Are you still watching the races at home as as close as you used to <hes> yes sir. I don't think i'll ever get out of that. I've i've had this his passion to watch the races over the years from a young child to now so i still enjoy them. I do watch them. Maybe watch more intently now from a different perspective. There's do enjoy them. How many years did you work with nascar. I it was an official for forty. Six years in different capacities started when he was five obviously yeah. When did you me. Oh gosh that would have been and longtime ago. Probably at hickory speedway would have been the first half seventies early eighties. Just i was getting my career. Kind of started. Really is hickory where you started. That's where you got kind of dove in there with with racing started it at the home track and weston at bowman gray and then as i worked my way up <unk> through we started branching out i was fortunate and i started going to different turing races and everything and and worked hickory speedway caraway speedway ryan bowman gray and expanded to more the original races throughout the southeast and at that time it was fairly much a southeasterly bay state store sport sure. Did you know that when you met him at hickory all those years ago that one day he was going to be now. There are two things that no had no idea really with that hat but i think at the time you were. You're working for u._p._s. Also at the time so <hes> then as things have it he goes to work for nascar and then in two thousand and one u._b._s. became my sponsor at robert gates racing so we had that income. I told him i said look at this on the side of my car. Now a few favorable calls on the way would be he didn't buy mine didn't buy into that good. Try by the book that's for sure. We're going to go to the phones. We're going to start. This is crazy. Is it carl carl awesome. I cars at nascar auto guys. What's up buddy. How you doing good <hes> let me just speak for motormouth nation. I know that's been talked a lot but take time to say once again. Dale family graduate okay motormouth nation thinking of yeah and <hes> with that being said said mr roots. Is there a particular race or particular moment from race that was that over your caribbean. Just wow that you'll never forget i think first off i echo the sentiment they'll juniors all right in in knowing what everybody does not just dale and his family but the travel it's it's concerning but i am glad that he's safe and doing well in back on a quick road to not necessarily recovery but settling down and getting his as life going that way i think there's many great moments and as i was trying to recap some things today. If you the different eras eras of the racing you can think through things that are exciting or whatever of some of them are probably a little closer to the action than i wanted to be. One comes comes to mind that when when we were up at martinsville and i was still working on the ground the great finish of geoff bodine dan richey evidence coming to the checkered flag and and don't recall who was up in the fence going just as fast as the driver on the car because at the time my position was on the start finish line and i felt the need to run over to the concession stand just as far away from the race track as these cars were coming to the start finish as line but if it was a great finish to watch that's one that comes to mind real real quickly and then some of the finishes at darlington of watching watching watching dale at michigan i think when his first race there and how close abou was there's so many of them it would be hard to recap them in our show. Oh well i mean obviously it's it's easy to to be a big fan of of dale jarrett's hall of famer and everything he's done and i know that you try to always be impartial now that you're you sit back and watch fan. Are there a couple of drivers that you say like all right. I am a fan of this person. I think fan because i respect what they can do what they're doing. Lord knows i didn't have the tedeschi or the wherewithal to do it or maybe two pragmatic nick to do what they do. A new that growing up i was somewhat white challenged and wade is everything race car but to watch what they could do with race car. You have half to have complete respect for every level of driver out. There doesn't matter the series what they're doing and what they're attempting to. I think those those are the ones. It's good good to see great stories like watching a diabetic detto run at bristol. It's good to see every man into underdog. Get a real good chance and and i'm sure that i was probably rooting more for him saturday night when i was watching that then then then danny and yeah no no it didn't have anything do sponsorship of the cars but watching stuff like that. It's good to see those yeah yeah. I agree used. I mean watching you in victory lane for the record that moment when he came up to the death i watched you and kyle also intently because it was such that respect that was shared in that moment and the way that you guys reached out to matt to me. It was really special. They had that moment with denny but for a hall of famer and for kyle petty to lean over and give a little piece of your heart sailing man that was huge to me. I love that yeah what a great moment that was i mean when when we seen the second place finisher and especially someone that was within eight laps of their first career win after learning just that week that if they weren't going to have that right anymore i mean so many things into that but this is just such a special time between two great competitors and to see you know danny was genuine anyone in everything that he was saying and doing i mean if he could go back and know that he's probably gonna win. Ten twelve more races you never know when that last winds come in and then he's gonna win a lot more but you have to do your job you have to do it but if he could have just he would have if he could adjust held back and say hey a man's hands done a great job here. Just just let him go but that's not what you do as a competitor discount do it but he knows that matt's going to get a something's gonna come his way and he'll be back in that position again. That's for sure. Let's go back to the phones. We're going to take a call from marvin blew up marvin how you doing buddy. I really good what which how how you doing dale and it's too with you goose <hes>. You're a great race director for nascar so it's not a cat with you search well. Thank you very much a appreciate the com but i would i would remind you all. It was not just one person doing this. Job is a team of officials directing race. That still holds true very much today that you're you're here in the race. Direct do a lot of the talking but it's truly a team effort and if they're doing in a good job you don't notice what they're doing and i think that was one of the things that we strive the most for that that we're not the show. The show is the cars and the drivers race. We're out out there to keep it moving on to maintain some low in order for sure martin what's on your mind betty. Women should lose <hes> my question to you is <hes> what do you miss the most about the race directive nascar and do you have a favorite for this weekend's races at road america and most port this weekend. I would say a couple of things. I enjoy doing what i was doing and to relate that was somewhat like my golf game. I it was it was we did a lot of things. During the course of the week that was work that was actually worked but this was this was my golf game <hes> and it was the close that i was ever going to get to compete it was it was somewhat my golfing. The other part of it is that i miss the relationships that you had at the race track whether it be with a competitor or somebody at the race track people that you have worked with and still work with in some cases for over thirty five years. It's one of the examples apples would be like a clay campbell and i still talk to him quite often but i remember when his grandfather had him around and around martinsville speedway at a a young age and these relationships that you don't hit two and then the other thing is to see the excitement of the great fans that follow the racing around there that they truly walk into these these racetracks and all just like. I did the first time that i walked into a big race track or or the first time you drive through the tunnel at daytona. I don't hear who you're you. Get a charge coming up out of that. How tunnel intern for and what in my world was somebody thinking when they built optus right. I think that's how a lot of people feel about this show so we're gonna take more your calls and a lot more david foods but there's news today for both expanding and truck series. That's that's next on motormouth and welcome back racing legend. Mario andretti will be honorary pace car driver for next month's playoff race on the road at charlotte motor speedway. How cool is that. Mario took a test drive on the wroval in two thousand seventeen and gave valuable feedback help make the track what it is today also in the news competition updates for next season in both the expanding and truck series expanding series field will be capped at thirty six cars. I also cup drivers with at least three years. Full-time experience will be capped at five starts in both xfinity and trots. Would we call that like the kyle busch rule or maybe we can come up with it but we can put it there but you know it's just changing that. There's one is for everybody. You know. I'm going to say this about mario. Andretti driving the pace. The field may have a tough time keeping up. That's all i can say. There's no man can still drive today. There's no question here. Are you surprised about a cabinet thirty six now. I think its time with that. You know we're seeing some some smaller fields and things and you know i. I like that idea i i i think it also probably gets in a position where we have <hes> you know where qualifying does matter of for some of that because now we're seeing where the fields are just that you know that number that that is is going to be so we may get worse knockout qualifying with some people going home sure and maybe maybe it means also. Maybe some of those smaller teams can combine actually do better are combining those forces and the other side of it is if we downsized the number of that we keep the person's the same up that then everybody's making a little bit more money with a smaller phil quality over quantity all right well. You guys are so exciting gave it. Hoots is here. We're going to go back to the phones. We've got bob on the line bob. What's on your mind. Hey gossipy got having a good night. <hes> my question is for all three you guys which bubble driver do you think to make the playoffs. I was hoping maybe chris butcher could make chris christophe great. He's been running really really well. I mean that team is performing at a higher level but you know for him to make it. It's obviously going to take a win dan but at this point i think clint boyer is is one even though he's sitting right outside now. I think that boyer for these next two races says even though it's been downhill slide void i think he puts it together and has a good race at darlington and indian finds himself back in the top sixteen david. What do you think you you. You got an eye on anybody. I think boyer gets it if they can eliminate some of their self induced mistakes. I'm leery with jimmy johnson making this crew chief change even though the work's done far out in advance. It's it's gonna be a quick turnaround to make that jail. Away needs to jail to jump into the into the playoffs. You know what i think. Jimmy's going to do it. I think jimmy i think jimmy johnson is going to show us what i just because there's some changes there some other things. I'm still oh a seven time champions right so me personally. I think he's going to go for it. Let's go back to the phones. We got tom on the line. Tom what's on your mind now. Y'all all how y'all doing. We are great buddy. Thank you you bet hang on a question for david hutson dan for you but first david who it's i'm a big fan of yours and and and what do you think about chase elliott's chances of winning the championship no offense i think well when we when we reset and starting to play playoffs. Everybody has the same chance. Some of them are somewhat handicapped but the point differentials if you're relying strictly on points but with the ability ability to win and advance to the next round it's to me pretty much ability to get in just don't wins and i could see that he could get on a hot streak a three or four wins and then the point start taking care of itself. The points are really a more of a safety factor for somebody then if you're really hot and winning in on three or four races that's the ticket that's that's a guaranteed win versus or get into homestead versus just points so and he's uh-huh showed up well in the playoffs. Every year thinks he's one of those big time drivers. Am i think he's i it's funny. When you watch chase there's because he's so kind of calm and cool cool. You can't ever tell like this. He's like more pumped up. He's always kinda just right down the middle. Where did he get that from weird. I don't know maybe and his dad or anything like that. Oh you mean that's the road america last year that philly. I saw rookie bill that we're going to mike on the line next. Mike you wanna talk about magneto yeah. Hey good to see you guys. You guys are awesome. <hes> you know how other series have the the blue flag for lab down cars. I kind of feel that ryan newman cost map padinha begnaud raise. What do you think so. That's a question that anytime people talk walkabout newman they talk about how hard he is to pass but if you phrase it like that i'll ask you dale did matt did did ryan newman cost matt venedetto the with yeah yeah. That's pure speculation. He certainly didn't help his chances. Because anytime you messed up the fenders inspecting the front fenders on these cars ours is going to make a difference in the way that it drives and so matt stated that his car got extremely tight after that contact so you have to think that he would have had a better chance at holding india off but we don't really know that answer. I don't know that newman did that much on. Would you like to see someone late in the race. Give the leader a little more more room than that but he was coming up on a lap car he was trying to not go down there so you know it's racing and it's hard and and you could just as easily say well. Matt could've seen ahead what was ahead of him. He could have backed out and and waited another another corner there but you know he's trying to keep denny hamlin behind him so wall right yeah. That's just unfortunately the way things happen sometimes known as a hard racer and you can't take that of against he's sitting inside the playoffs right now with a race car that really really not capable of being one the top sixteen. I mean if he was five laps down. It's a different call right. Totally i don't i don't don't recall whether he was a lap up down or not but if he was racing to stay in the leap more power to you because typically that's car would never give him the they would show them. The passing flagged but they expect him to race raced to stay in the lead larry and just one caution. He's caught back up his whole race changes. He's not trying to hold up man. He's trying to protect what he had yeah. He's eastern to your point. He's starting to fight for that plus. Here's the other thing about the crazy in speculation. When you look at race so one person could look at and say oh well maybe a cost math to win what we don't ohno's if matt had gotten around him easier and then the car in front of him loses a break in matt's out of the race totally so the weird like sliding doors effective life. Is that what you got sick. It was huge. Who knows what would happen but if i'm paying the driver to get every spotty. Can't we got a shot at the championship. I'd want ryan newman at the wheel and i don't care who's behind him. Coming up. Austin austin syndrich joins us as he gets set to race this weekend at road america. Stay with us <music> zippo. Two hundred austin center offered cetera now to the back of my in this is the first xfinity series wave what a turnaround for austin syndrich the wind last week and the poll this week at mid ohio see what he can do with field today by syndrich that is power so ooh he will not be denied that lee day ross's syndrich austin knife at mid ohio austin syndrich is going to try to make it three in a row on the road courses this saturday at road america here on n._b._c. He is kind enough to pay us a visit today austin. Thanks for joining us guys. Thanks for me so exciting yeah kind of a big deal. It is a huge way to road races in a row. Then then goes to bristol and wins the pole and narrowly escaped bush. I'm having to say that take. I'll take it and then you did one of those jedi mind nine tricks where you had an inch on either side of your car. I was terrifying in threaded needle how to good day to be wearing a white fire suit right totally not at all. I don't so how do you can you explain how it's time. You have to react to some downshift right about here. When i think twenty's going to go inside my race car that was yeah that was terrifying. <hes> thanks spiders. Forget me through that one but now that's that's. That's what happens at bristol. Sometimes there's a lot of good cars that get taken out and glad we weren't one of them. Can you feel that momentum from. I'm your team. When you come out winning two road course races then you go to bristle can can you feel that kind of excitement through them and no doubt it's. It's been really great for for a lot of reasons. Obviously obviously you know be able to win for team penske to be you know obviously locked in the playoffs. We're getting this very important playoff points heading into the head and in the playoffs this year. I'm gonna have more points. I've ever had nascar so no one knowing that we've got that going for it makes our lives easier in the coming months but also there's a lot of guys on that team that not only worked with of mean helped me from from marketing truck series days but there's three or four guys on my team that have never wanted nascar and had been in the sport for awhile and to be able to bring that with for them with my first win in the series you know all that compiled together is is really great for the team really for for obviously our momentum but then come back to the shop and feel that momentum feel everyone working harder to make sure next month's worth it. It's a big deal and we even have callers that are pumped about year. We're going to start with anthony on the line. You've got a question for austin. Go ahead. Yes i do and <hes> so austin. You and i are one must apart in age. There's nothing your next month but with that aside l. road america go for your third straight wealth win yeah i think i think we're gonna have pretty tough competition. Honestly <hes> you got guys okay. Gentlemen dinger obviously come back in the ten car. Matt di benedetto obviously had an amazing weekend last weekend. He'll be in the eighteen which has been great car and not obviously our sees regular. I think bells didn't really good job with the courses and <hes> but but our road course races always have some sort of a curve ball thrown at us. You know you got to be in the top five if you don't runoff the racetrack road america so i'm looking forward to it i it's it's gonna be fun. It's gonna be a dogfight and got got to have a blue-collar day to be there. At the end yeah the challenges orange of road america versus the two road courses that walking slanted mid ohio. What what do you face this weekend. One the tracks a lot longer so i think it plays different roles for the strategies you can play <hes> tired aggregations a lot longer but are a lot more but you can do more with with when you pay versus versus restarts stored in trying to dissipate those things and there's more passing zones american because you have the really big breaks owns a intern five candidates so i think there's more opportunities for a lot a lot of different things but there's fourteen of the racetrack so there's a lot more opportunity to screw it up at the same. Time is such an exciting race to watch. We're going to go back to the phones. Oh happy birthday anthony. Since you're a month apart <hes> james is our next caller james. What's on your mind. Hey good buddy good all right. <hes> i wanted to ask austin <hes> with the cubans watkins glen and mid ohio <hes> there's more confidence going into america's well the play offs for the xfinity yeah. I think it touched on earlier. The fact that we have playoff points in the bank <hes> not only from winning one race for two races ma- makes our playoffs offs a little easier knowing that we can you know have solid days and still but he'll move four but yeah i think i think it gives us momentum but at the same time there's different challenges salinger's between each race track the challenges we had watkins glen. Were you know trying to outrun the eighteen and then when the eighteen was gone. You know who's going to be mean a._j. To the end of the race and figuring out okay what strategy can can we do to to to try and flip things and then mid ohio where we say of a dominant car and we've got to play defense all day so trying to understand what strengths and weaknesses are at <hes> road american. Give it our best so no after you won at watkins land. You did something the next day there's a little bit different than what most drivers do as they enjoyed their first win. I i you actually spotted. Yes father cook right. I spotted for paul menard and the cuff race which was cool cool cool for those guys at least trust me to be able to do that but i promise you the first. It's three restarts of that cup race. I was in the i mean they pop out of the trees at the fastest part of the racetrack. Luckily them in our on the car. So it's the brightest car you can find it easy but i three restarts race for more nerve wracking for me than the last three laps them the xfinity race on the saturday before so it was a lot of fun. I actually had fun. The leader of the race went but it was a good experience for me for sure together for a row seat. A brake check with calvin bar made it a little more exciting. We've got another james on the line james. What's your question. Hey y'all doing <hes> at this is when it's at austin who was his inspiration <hes> starting career career. That's a great question james yes so i've been really lucky to be around a lot of different race car drivers in my life growing up around indycar side of things with my dad grown ronan guys like elio and jill farren and those guys being able to kind of be like like big brothers to me in some sense so in a way i really looked up to those guys and then once we moved to north carolina having someone like sam hornish getting the nascar stuff really got me thinking about oh nascar that'd be that'd be cool thing to try out or do so actually when i started racing i seventy seven all my cars because that was hornish number at the time but it's been really cool to to grow up around that that kind of an environment <hes> have someone like rick mears who goes to all the car races and and and he's been he's been really cool to have him back pocket. If i ever need advice or you know even just him. Send me a text saying good job last weekend. I mean that's that's rick mears sending attack gotcha awesome so to grow up around people like that it's been it's been a great opportunity for me and my career well. Thanks for being humane. Good luck this weekend. No pressure dale dale is going to be calling the race just a hall of famer. I hope so just kicks him but up there but <hes> whoever is there just be gentle when you pick them up on okay like your south south boston centric coming up more tales from the tower with today's guest david stay with a therrien this guy ooh ooh in this sport is built or rivalries and big moments in the twenty four out of his car. He's not happy so how do you make that decision to get involved or not to black flag somebody to penalize somebody in the heat of that battle. You have to look at it. Judge it on its own for that particular event independent on the different call. Summa calls are very much a black white call as far as the black flag goes the skiing carl edwards has been told take your car back to the garage. Put it on the truck and go home some of them that are that are questionable questionable depending on which side of the ledger would be on the body and earnhardt crystal in maine and really turn around made a rat's cage. Oh he never has taken. Anybody just happens that way. The team that's in race control gets together discuss. Is it very quickly and decides it makes the best decision they can. They're tough calls. A lot of them would beat with aggressive driving somewhat behavioral the the twentieth man kids can't take you nascar has said he will be parked where you make that call so that tough call that you know the driver's not gonna like. Do you feel like he gets over it or do you like that feeling lingers like nascar's out to getting i mean i think overtime they get over or they'll they'll. They will approach nascar. Do they completely get over. I doubt it but they have invested so much in that race. I wouldn't expect them to get up. I wouldn't want him. I wanna competitive moves to compete store man dan that helmet toss. Do you remember that like it was yesterday not yesterday but maybe the last week this exact david is here. That was some of whose tails it's it's so cool to see you explain to people how some of these processes work because i so many of us we i at least never had any idea. How things were you know. I would hear your old black. Flag is out and you go why what happened. Who did what it's cool. You guys are taking that time to help. The fans really understand well they. They need to understand their invested into it. As much as anybody sure <hes> and a lot of times over over your career they would just hear or see one part of it and instead instead of trying to convince them that you're wrong. Let's look at all the details then you tell me what you would do. Bastogne this verbiage or that verbiage or this procedure that and a lot of times after you walk them through what you were basing it on they had they had converted your way of thinking probably still not happy because usually involve their favorite driver corredor court or or their most say haiti but the was either move the property and we'll get to help us in a little bit it on proper english but i'll continue use my southern drawl house in that vein before it gets to the phones. I wanna know who came up with the phrase. Put it out. Actually it was in place place before i was in race control. The first one that i recall unit was built gazza way he was vice president of competition and before that he had been the the competition series director and had worked his way up bill was was a former marine and this was very direct put it out and and the way that he would he would say it in and i knew him but he would tell harold kiner all right i'll put it out and it was very slow but it was very delivered and and build a wonderful job doing what he was doing because he was coordinate and a lot of the race activities have now had been divided out. He was not only was he the race director. He was dispatching a safety equipment. Whatever it's not a india's position and it just it was multitasking to another degree yeah right saying that that slow you can run a half lap at bristol so things happened. Think of a few sides wreck happened. What about could you tell us and i know it's tough because there have been a lot of these guys who's the when you think about the biggest the pain in the butt either driver cruelty some of the you felt like i'm gonna have to tangle with this guy who who was it. I would say timber really some some of it may be that we had grown up in the same area and kinda head some of the same mindset which is probably stubborn in one way or another but tim was also very competitive sure and and that's the thing that you have to always go back on on some of these chiefs and they're very competitive and that's that is part of how you can have a passion for the sport that competitive nature. You don't want a a bunch of people out there. That's not intense and in doing what they're doing right. Good way to put it. Yeah exactly so you have like a favorite track that we went into or that you went to for so many years. I think honestly i have really three somewhat there the regional around on the north carolina area but bristol martinsville and darlington i look at darlington very similar to your walking into into a cathedral of racing like if you walked into fenway or lambofield in football or what this this is history you're you're you're not tap dancing around history your history and then the amount of time out spin up at martinsville in bristol. I have a tendency to like the short tracks. It's a little bit more. I think the intensity level is usually ramped up a little bit more and those to come to mind <hes> back in the day of love and even when dale was coup- his we were running four times at martinsville with the to triple headers with the with the modified and extended cars ars and the cane in series that were there along with the cup races there so we're going into march for that is another historical track that i think does a really fine job and when you look at it came on land the same time as darlington in forty eight so it's it's got the history it's it's it just doesn't have the notoriety of the massive tracks and then you you you take in watch how mr mr earls cut. His teeth did things that he was never gonna let it get behind the other tracks. There was a period of time that everybody was leaving the short tracks sure they can't doing everything they need to do to keep that track owned these the senior circuit if you will at the time and it was a show uh-huh place to boot plus the one thing and i hate to say this because i'm from north carolina but it seems to be like fans from virginia or true who true race fans they would come out and go into richmond when it be thirty two degrees right after daytona in what some show up or race their race immortal. They are great fans. They are really and you see that for the record. You still see that today when count our they're doing racing groups who denny hamlin. It's still true coming up our grassroots. Tour across america heads to a place. That's near and dear in my heart. That's right state of georgia state too my track. My roots home track is atlanta motor speedway. Just not the the big track. It's at quarter mile on the front straightaway. That's where iran my first real race so i was eleven years old. My father was going to run the legends car the band leroux series for the state of georgia. I had so many memories at atlanta speedway being race fan watching the nascar races coming into town. I mean that was such a highlight for me. The the best memories of her during the summer month race thirty forty times during that ten or twelve week period while we were out of school so just being around around the racetrack attracted outrace that the most <hes> in the state of georgia wasn't lanier speedway such a perfect three eighths mile short-track. It's got a beautiful grandstand. That's kind of said in a hillside almost than so. It's a really a neat little place. Send racing my legends car there before the late model. Show was always a big thrill. The great state of georgia is next on our fifty states in fifty days. Were visiting race with my old home. Track celebrating its fiftieth fiftieth anniversary this season its biggest race is the showdown. It's snowing in late september which draws over a hundred and fifty cars their local legend legend smith on the world outlaws late malls remember who's always there to help his fellow racer caller. Let's be honest another thing that makes it nice now. It's kaelin hailin. Clay surface makes great side by side action. Thank goodness klay again. We went asphalt. We're back yeah now. The thing about sonora raceway is at i live right by there and we would go and pull our truck up next to the fence and you take your friends out there. Go and watch and it to me. It is like going back in time because you can see truly. This is where all this racing started. Work comes from but you know you just don't get moments like that because raceway is really like that's where that's why people people know who bob apologist and watched him have the success there and take off all over the country and the watch that guy wheel is unbelievable. Have you ever been this raceway. No i haven't no i haven't but we can make a hug may call for the record. We can get you down there. I always loved the if i had it off. We get i could hear them practicing and then go out there because saturday night. You're like well. We ought to just go. I mean if i don't i won't hear the t._v. Anyway let's just go to the racetrack so and so cool to see david ragan. Go there and talk about out racing routes to me. I think is what's so great. Is that for for whoever it is you see that stuff so real for for you bowman gray sa- same thing you could hear the cars run from the house and at that point okay. It's dad give up. You're going to go over. There and both parents were great sports fans and it was convenient. It was a very very nice facility still is and it has these routes tate's carried on for years. I've been lucky this year. I've got up there a couple of times to watch it and and and i i enjoy the the the racing jason in entertainment and something happens. It'll recur this net now. They you'll say this is not supposed to happen. Does so you kind of expect the unexpected when you go into the stadium. I bet you do so for my track. My roots four is a single at bowman gray stadium. Burr myers won his tenth track title in the modified. I five division last weekend. He is a bad man behind the wheel hickory motor speedway where knowing pope competes is in the late model division care way raced speedway in sofia north carolina this saturday the track will celebrate its fifty four th anniversary. How cool is that big deal. I've i've never been there but i've always wanted to go to the careless now. Coming up nate ryan is going to be here with all of your viewer feedback. Let me say this is next. David is here. Don't go anywhere. You're let me say this. I'm gonna say this but i'm going to say this. Just let me say this but i'm gonna tell you but i'm telling you that i'm telling you that i'm telling you something i will. I'll say it forever that lead in david who laugh you guys great news may ryan to you know what that means. It's time for hashtag. Let me say this many questions for our guest david starting with james pickering to david he wants to know what was it like directing the daytona five hundred nineteen ninety eight when dale earnhardt win win when direct a monumental race like that and you're involved with in the official capacity. What's it like for you well you you you take all the races as they are that each one is important but i think the significance of that race is that when he comes down pit road after win it and the respect that the competitor shown this is the man yeah i mean that's the only way to say this. This is is this is a hard bunch to earn respect from but here's a guy that stuck with it through thick and thin won the race ace and then they had the opportunity. That's just never there really to show him that. Respect that that to me was was exciting the race all all rail you get excited about that was the real pinnacle of that race historic moment a lighthearted moment hashtag. Let me hey this is darrel ray. He's a avid listener of yours on the radio he wants to know where did your term jimmy jacking come from sometimes restarts and say stop this jimmy jacking and get these cars in line. We're thinking well. It was an effort for me not to use a several explicatives questioning some people's intelligence when they were trying to line up and whatever so i came up with that and then went back to nassau and said you know we need to put that in the rule book in the rulebook administrator at tama <hes> you're gonna love the definitional come up and it was the act or acts that made nascar race control but i didn't say it quite that way that's let's go ahead and put the the book and he kinda frowned it so that's a great question daryl yeah yeah. Thanks for that from texas motor speedway hashtag. Let me say this format matt coacher. He is i racing player and says that they would love to have you join them for an eye racing event and he any chance of put me out. Put it out <music> at a i racing of actually i got to do the initial one when they were held over charlotte. I was <hes> in the control room with i race into do that. In eighties. It's very simulated esteem simulation to what you're actually watching on the race and these guys are serious about as those that are or strapping in a car i mean they had the game faces own because they they did both types of gain sure i'm i'm not a big gidget gadget gone but they wanted to xbox playstation sure and they were they were into it and i sit there and was fortunate that they asked asked me to direct the first race that we went live on all right well. That's that's cool. That's those are also got one more for you. From at the nascar jeff i notices that the phrase put it out is still heard on nascar broadcasts. So is the inventor of said catchphrase. Do you like still hearing that as the current race director well a lot of times. I don't hear it because i'm not in a position to monitor that yeah i don't i know that there's ways to do that and <hes> <hes> it was it was done as much that semi slain term as to not allow people to the key in the radio network and arbitrarily caution so there was there was a catchphrase put in there that was just put it out instead of somebody getting on the radio back at the time when they weren't encrypted or security pool that they would get only and try to throw the l. put yellow and you knew that what they were trying to do and we stayed with this and it's just it's not like we sit in early piece. I would have to give the credit to bill gas way now. I don't know where he got it from but i would. I would love love half residuals off every time. I said these were really great. Thanks again from the the the viewers david. I'm not a gadget guy either but we've got cody on the line line who has great question cody. What's your question for david well well. I thank you for having me on the cell. I was just wondering how does dave how did you get into nisqually and what's the best piece of advice you've received and now keep in mind. There were about automated half off air. I go. I got into the racing at the stadium bob. Some what happened chance got introduced to a man that knew a man that i had sit there and scored the races in my mind as and a couple of times during the course the're they would have long distance races is and they would be making an announcement over the p._a. We need scores and we we will offset the cost of the ticket. If you'll come do it that got me in contact with the guy and here's a sixteen year old kid that ball rights at that time you couldn't get into the pits offered opportunity to go get into pits see heroes watch something that that he had a great passion for and going never in my wildest dreams that i figured i could make a career doing that and one thing led to another now moved up the ranks. Was it a career move. No it was just got. Get in there and see those guys when you go back look stadium. There's a history of something like sixty some people in the hall of fame. They have come through there and when i was there i was glenwood fan the david thanks for being with us today. This has been so awesome. If you're on the phone stay with us because coming up we've got our youtube show our after show show which is on the n._b._c. motorsports channel right now. It's going to do it for us. Dale jarrett david who's nate ryan hall of fame refresh your we had a great time going next. I was wheel and modified tour action from thomson. Make sure you stay tuned. Hop over to youtube and join us david who hid you get.

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Episode 77 - When Do I get to Drive That

Racing Virginia Podcast

1:19:37 hr | 5 months ago

Episode 77 - When Do I get to Drive That

"You're listening to the West Virginia podcast now hearing your host. And Welcome to the race in Virginia podcast time. Dave. See and I'm Brandon Brown. Not. The. Oh you know I've seen you on a couple of other interviews and. That's What we've done here has become a standing spiel. Des, I have to preface it. Always you're the you the finnity series driven now, but I know him, we've done spiderman meam and stuff together it's a thing but here we go episodes seventy, seven, seventy, seven getting on pair in it it is. It is and we're going to try we talked about him. He's going to try to tie in some kind of racing fact with episode seventy, seven, Justin Haley. One last year Daytona in the infamous lightning shortened. PERSPIRE motorsports yeah see. We get. All kinds of Tian's. Chris only to only two wins. In a number seventy, seven or seventy seven in the cup series Joe Lee Johnson Nineteen fifty-nine nine at Nashville the other one, and then just nailing and then just in Hailey. Because it didn't seem like that's a I. Mean I in short track race I don't think I've seen a Lotta seventy-seven now Connor no connor drives No, he does a seventy. Seven seventy seven Cameron Hall. That's right. There we go. We should only. Did he win. but he did no, he didn't win. No he didn't know head to new winners at Lincoln who was it I can't remember. Thank you pull it up. Your faster and getting operator while it it but we got a great show for everybody. We really do We're GONNA talk with gentle man who is in the wasn't the inaugural class I don't know if you know that but the inaugural class of team racing, Virginia you know we need to do that. We need to get some team racing Virginia stickers made up and get some guys that are when they come on the show. Yeah. We send them a set of stickers. That's really yeah to put on her car budget. Let's get some sponsored gotta do something. Hey, anybody out there wants sponsor the show. I'm sure our bosses would hate to hear. Begging for sponsors on the on the podcast that's we're not begging accident. Disaster. Politely. But we've got a a young gentleman who is young young he is young but he he he represents what drivers should be like he really does I mean this kid from the age of ten has had the composure of a season veteran. And it just it has. It has really amazed me. Yeah. To See this young guys rise to where he is right now. fact this past weekend, he won his first cards tour poll finished third his highest finish in the cars tour for him, and of course, he is many. Timmy Terry I don't know anybody causing him timmy. Everybody I mean that that name has stuck in fact dollars social media and his website or many Terrell. Yeah. So this is real name. Yeah. Didn't even do it in quotation marks. No. I. Did. Again we'RE GONNA have story time with Randy. Hallman. And we're going to have the promoter from Franklin County speedway first time ever on the show and company called moonshine capital promotions love that and they they really came from. Well, Franklin County is the moonshine capital of the world was going to ask him that. Okay. Well, I knew it. I'm from Virginia Yeah. A lot of bootleggers out there. We've got a great show. Really I mean the thing about Frankly County is I I'm so happy that someone has taken over that facility and has given it the amount of attention. It needs okay. for you know it's out there way out in the boonies of Virginia I mean it's way out there on the western part of the state and and what is it callaway Virginia, and of course we'll talk with Langley also about his website that he owns race twenty, two dot com covers late model racing does a very good job at it. But we got a great show. Yeah that's great and we're are a nice mix. Yeah and next week we have a really good show already you know A. With somebody may get moved again. We're we're. Pretty heavy. Yeah and I'm not. GonNa lie. It's been a little harder than I expected it to be but you know. And Waiting is only gonNA make it more awesome. Yeah. Because the build up every get him, it'll be a good score. Absolutely. So for team Racing Virginia. Racing. Because, he's To say, he's one of the founders would be an understatement. So, yeah. His family. So we'll talk to hopefully him next week but if not, we still have a couple of guys that we are have in the hopper for next week, we're going to actually start you know we we've been sticking with that late model driver next week. I've got a a guy that races I think grand stock at Dominion. But he also has a a great guy and to veteran suicide program. Something that I really want to get that message out there for everybody and he's he's got a bunch of drivers coming on that want to run his scheme. from tractor pull, whole mud, bogging dirt racing, and of course, he's now doing some. He's a dirt rate. He's a mud bog about trade. That's how I met him. but He's built a car to race at Dominion. So we'll have him next week So I, mean. Trying to make a couple of weeks ahead. It's a little bit more difficult. You think. It always because because because the one thing is a brand new, you know with racing things change from week to week sometimes something comes up and and. You want to cover it, but you've already got scheduled booked. and. That's what we gotta be careful about you know we want to make sure that we're present. In the in the know and be able to talk about something each week, and but we're trying to keep the podcast within an hour. It's been a little difficult for me and you. We liked it. We like not GonNa lie it's been spending a little difficult. In fact. You, we probably need to get this show on the road. Well, let's do it. It's Tom we're going to head to the WHO's your driver dot org hotline and we're going to talk to one of my favorite drivers not GonNa lie this. As I said in the opening this kid has impressed me. Ever. Since I've known him. Of course he is from Manassas. Virginia. Africa he is a member of the first class of team. Racing Virginia he is many. Timmy. Tyrel. What's up many? Area you doing all the way I gotta ask right off the Bat how many people actually call you timmy. People from my school actually calling me to me. Everybody else's Many I. think it's always talk I mean at school I've always gone by Timmy and You know now that I'm ever since I was little everybody at the racetrack everybody here when I work at all in many many so. It's I alternate but. Now. Now, do you you know somebody's like yells in the background timmy or many you answer to both most of the time? Yeah. But if at the Racetrack Track was definitely probably my father. I. Gotcha. But most most people I know at the racetrack call you many. Yeah. Yeah. No definitely. Shark. Yeah if you ever see an interview with him, Brandon. Usually many I I. You know I'll call you timmy how at that Call in many for the rest of the interview, and then we'll just confused eleven. Man. Man I'm i. have always been impressed with your ability to interact with the media. I mean all the way back to the age at ten. and. Thank you. How, I mean, how did that come about I? Mean how? Why did you become so accustomed to being able to talk with anybody and and do it at a level that is beyond your gears I. Appreciate it. Thank you. I'm not sure it kind of It just come about you know I. I love to talk to people I love talking to the media especially when it's about you know racine doing. Anything. So I think just kind of came about and I've never really taking on a speech class or talking class and you my mother's father and they've raised me so well and and taught me everything and respect in what all that is and just trying to live my life and treat everybody with respect and talk as best as I can. Well you had a success early in fact, by the way, brandon, he is the youngest person in the world to ever win too late model races at the age ten. Ten. That's that's something else and that's that's something I wanted to ask you about. Those races at ten years old a lot of the kids haven't even picked up say what sport they wanted to play yet, and you're beating some of the best late model drivers how how did you do that? Yeah that was amazing. EH I. Nine and a half I got into late model stock cars and it all happens from San Babies. Awesome. Is a dear friend of ours and I'm sure you you've heard. That the racetrack and I was over at saying babies, house I was I. There's a late model, which is eighty, one car the number I run today was sitting in his garage. I was nine years old at the time and I said well, when do I get to drive that and he said it you get a seat me I'll put you in the car so my you know my mother and Father Really Cute thing in you know. He actually drove me to Charlotte, North Carolina with them to Butler shafter Butler seats and we gotta seat mate and put it in the car at Piper Motor sports up in years a fabricator 'cause I was so tiny at the time we had to shove it all the way up and figure out how to modify at all and I went and tested it on the. Friday she international speedway and Kinda just took off from an era. I was you know four tenths slower. My first time out than than the poll was last week So it kind of just took off and then at the age of ten, we were able to Redo that same car rebuild it and go out and actually went two races a year in. And Win a championship you switched from the late models to the cars tour. Switch switching models but you switched to traveling on tour last year in fact, you won the rookie of the year for the cars tour how difficult has it been that change from going from weekly racing to the cars tour? Oh it's a, it's a massive difference especially because. I've traveled around to a few different places when I was, you know obvious below the age four teams and. We as I turned fourteen or I was thirteen at the time the cars one race with a limited late model race and they were they allowed to run at the age of thirteen that was police year twenty at. And Iran Tri County at the beginning of the year and that was a lot of fun I qualified bowls but unfortunately, I, got a wreck out on but Then the next year came along I turned fourteen I really like all right. We're going to go to the car store time in compared to you know the the Saturday night weekly. Series around local racetracks is the competition levels and obviously there's phenomenal racers that race in the weekly series. But all I mean just story series is I mean, it's the best rock drivers. You're ever going to get in the world right now some of these guys are insane Dallas it and they're not a skill that it takes to compete at this level is very high. You I guess you results haven't been I think what you want I mean you've got your you've got your highest finish this past weekend at Hickory with a third and he won the poll. So obviously, things are getting better. Oh. Yeah. Absolutely. We we've just had a series about lot this year with You know we haven't been able to finish your race and it's all hasn't been our fault at all. It's just been mechanical failures unfortunately and You know it's just It's all really good the out there and qualified the poll. You know all the hard work that on my Kurci Brandon, put into this thing and just the countless hours of work and study that he does to and be able to qualify the poll in the car and Salads just got a little loose there at the end we slipped back to third but you know it is what it is and we're very happy to finish in were move onto dominion this weekend. The what I know. I've asked you this before but what is it like having Brandon Butler as your crew chief and not only that your mentor? Brandon Awesome via E N is phenomenal France I was ten years old He's he's walked me through he seemed to grow up and. He's walked me through the stages of racine and he's been with me everywhere. I've been in the soccer and and he's he's a great guy. He's an incredible teacher and I mean, he's he's your guy. If you want to know something about a late model stock, are you know way around one of the? You're talking you. Starting starting your career at ten in late models. But I WANNA know how this love for racing got started a what age were you when you decided to hey I want to jump in any type of thing with four wheels and go fast and take us through. You know how the how that progressed into late models. At the age of four I was I was my dad was a race and I kinda grew up at the racetrack and. He brought me everywhere and an instant and We were Old Dominion speedway at the time was only a mile from my house and Manassas Virginia and It wasn't now in Thornburgh where it is now which I love the new speedway it's great. We're going to raise this weekend and no. Way I kinda grew up at as well and my father always raised their every Saturday night and They had a little go cart series which was run by Michael Diaz southern national. Now, his son is nascent yet and. Know he's like, Hey, you wanna you WANNA try to go. Kart. Now you know dad races you want to race and have a good time and I was like, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and So we we did go karts wrong I think the age of four all the way to the age of nine or ten is when I stopped because I got into late models and I I raised several of race cars Do you know all the way up from go karts to leave models as Mandalay or cars arena cars did a little bit of Usak midget racing you Know, just all kinds of things and finally got into a late model at the age of nine and I've been in a model for five and a half years. Now you talked about going back to dominion this this coming week, the cars tour is going to be there what is it like being able to only have to drive probably most what forty five minutes to get to race because unfortunately, the tar cars tour a lot of races in North Carolina Yeah. No, it's We we just got back from her yesterday was a six and a half hour right back. So It'll be nice to have a little. You know a nice and easy ride their pacts. Definitely will be nice. 'cause we traveled quite diamond dominion will be Nice 'cause it's forty five minutes or not even like an hour but and then next week and we go to Carter at, which is seventy eight hour high. So it's it's quite quite the road chips, but it's definitely worth it. We are so blessed to have the types of tracks we have here in the state of Virginia South Boston. Langley. Dominion when you talk about asphalt for for racing, grow up, you know for folks like that Virginia Motor speedway. Winchester and we have some really good weekly racing tracks and we have a great as we talk every week and we have a great. Group of young drivers I mean I'll look at you know looking at many and he's fifteen Pity you have your driver's license yet. Yeah. Now it's There's incredible short-track around here that run all the time. The demand is definitely one of my favorites. I love that racetrack. It's super fact I've only had one opportunity to run into late model, and this will be my second. This weekend south. Boston is awesome. I've had. Pretty decent decent lock their report defied unsought five there four and run they're pretty well So south, Boston's Great. I'm looking forward to going back to Langley leave at the end of the small. So everything is you know Virginia offers an incredible Options are show check racy as far as philanthropy. Brandon. This kid is a huge philanthropist. You've raised almost a half a million dollars for childhood cancer. It's amazing. I mean. I out of all, your accomplishments for me that probably stands out the most non it. You know yes it's about the young the EU starting young ten but from the very beginning, you have had A. a very strong philanthropy program I mean burn rubber to to save another That's a minis mission. And which which of. Got You to meet Jeff Gordon and you guys kind of struck up a a pretty nice relationship. He is a so I I'm jeff at the age of Eight 'cause I was at the time you know raising money myself and at the time I think I had only I'm not sure if I'm correct. About seven thousand dollars and I was seven years old and the NBC nightly news it had wanted to. Interview. With me they came to my house and and interviewed me it was really cool and went to the racetrack and film and go car. or Jeff happened to see the the the news episode in the he contacted us or his manager contacted us and said, hey, you know we want. We want you to come to Morrinsville speedway this upcoming weekend and meet Jeff and and hang out and have a good time. So we were like you know even real you know average great and Real and. And we we went and Jeff was an incredible Person Jeff Gordon. Probably one of the nicest people you'll ever meet and he spent. Forty five minutes, and at the Racetrack Joe me race cars going through there and match the the seven thousand dollars that I had raised. wrote me a check for that and Super Special and and we partnered with their foundation when I was eight years old and. Continued to raise money for the Jeff Word Children Foundation ever, and that relationship still is blossoming isn't it? Yes sir. How many kids fifteen can say hey, I know Jeff Gordon. Moore Yeah. Hey. I Got Jeff Gordon's number. uh-huh. Or Jeff. Gordon just texted me yeah yeah now. Here it is look at that I'm working with working with Jeff Gordon Right now to help kids with cancer. That's that's something. Pretty incredible. I mean that that above all year accomplishments to me stands out the most many to have the heart and want to give back to others is amazing Oh. Yeah it. Makes you feel good. You know my my father is a big big. Driver on you know we need to help others were in the position to do so and just this past week leaving hickory motor speedway or leaving our hotel. We went out to breakfast and she went back because we were late and she cooked eggs and all kinds of stuff and My father gave her a twenty dollars tip and she she was struggling at the time and. Things were rough of expenses and stuff and couldn't afford some gas. So she started crying and we we had no idea. You know this this lady was was really neat and. Soon back in the room eight or back I came back and. gave her a hundred dollar bill and you know it's it's incredible that I got a place in his position too where I can do that for somebody else. And in the end and help people, and that's the most important part, and that's something that you know you're going to continue to do and continue to to live. I'm going to guess through the rest of your career and the rest of your life. What I wanted to ask you is about the rest of your career and You know you're only fifteen. You get a lifetime of of racing ahead of you What's your career path looking like right now what do you want to accomplish in? Do you want to say take the Jeff Gordon Path and trying to get to the cup series or something else? I love the race stock cars professionally if I could at the gravel if I can make it to ask or or anything in this series, be great I if I can't I can't. You Professional Race car driver I love the work on the cars. I work with my father every week. On in a repair businesses. We work on cars and do tires. So I love working on cars I love being around them and you know if I if I can't make it there as a driver. Motor sports engineer or maybe a chassis designer and and hopefully go up and work on. But ultimate goal the driver that being credit now only fifteen. You want and I'm sure there are few people that have their eye on you. Because you're sponsors dream I mean to be able to talk the way you do many I want to go back to hickory motor speedway this past weekend and we talk about helping out. There at the end of the race. Someone had a health issue and you and your dad from what I hear bringing into action and and went to help. Yeah. If you there was a gentleman in the. Actually crewing for a super late model that we can. You walk across the track, and I had symptoms of us were very similar symptoms of heart attacks in My father was actually the first one to go over there and try to attend to them when they had the the rescue squad show up in my my mom's getting ice and stuff and and you know my mom is is all about. Five feet tall. So she she can't sprint very fast. She's and I'm in tech and I just got changed out of the race car and I'm dripping sweat and she's like he can you run this over in the stands. There's a gentleman over there. I need help and I was like problems. Over there you know try to calm down a little bit but. Let's game he was okay. Got Released by five am the next morning and it had pulled a chest muscle. So now from serious thank God he was okay and Yeah. So we help them out. He was appreciated. He called my mother couldn't couldn't thank or not for or what we did. But you know in anybody's in need. Okay. With it y'all got to help I have a super important question ask you though okay. Is it true that the first time you ever stood next to doc love people thought that you look like big and little Lena's i. have no idea We. Have grinding calls me and my father that sometimes joke. But you know I'm not sure area. People make I I. Haven't heard that one before that's funny. Doc Love is with race twenty, two in a does a lot of the. and. A good friend of mine's he's going to be interviewing you as well. I think tomorrow so. Dhaka's an old friend and he goes I dare you to ask him. So he dare me not. Doctor Guy He I. thought it was fast weekend after the four awardee interviewed these for that. So now Dow Dachshund Austin. Go Dominion Home Turf. What What are you expecting this weekend? you know. I, think we'll have a pretty good car i. know that were coming to track that. I've been very good at last year's my best qualifying round qualified third there ran third all race, and then fell back the fourth in the last twenty laps and then finished fourth. But you know I I'm expecting we'll be able to do just as good I know that you have a car more than capable of winning the race and We've got a crew chief. They can put me in that position and We'll just have to go and get it done for you. What would it mean to get your first win on the cars tour at Dominion. Day credible. It'd be here at my own basically and That'd be that'd be great. So we'll see I love to a lot of like like I say great competitors. Show up and run so will will try and give them around for their money. You know I, it it takes a team it really does. So I'm GonNa give you a chance to thank the folks that help you in all she also your sponsors. Yeah. My entire crew They I've got to Larry's like graph to around my my website and does all kinds of things for me Larry Graph is an amazing person. He's helped us so much this past year. And a half and or two years, and then Larry Lindsey tire guy and he's going on eighty years old and I pray that I can only move as much as I as a as he can at eight years old and then we're in Butler. Obviously, my crew chief everybody comes and supports me Dan given my father. My brother all my sponsors seller carriers, web director, and just mine tire friends and family forget new where I say You've had a great career. You have some great sponsors and we can't thank you enough for taking some time out of your day to spend with us and be stupid and talked us I mean you know. Being. One of the inaugural members of the class of team Racing Virginia as. It is you can only be one you know the first. So that's we are so glad to have you as part of our our team and as our our family and we wish you good luck this coming Saturday dominion, the cars tour man I would love nothing better to see you get your first win there I'll I appreciate it. Thank you so much for having. Me On by the way folks, you can find him at many tyrel, dot, com facebook twitter, and instagram. At many tyrel course he drives the number eighty one he'll be at dominion raceway this weekend for the cars to erase. If you need more information about that, go to Dominion Raceway DOT COM. Thanks so much money. No problem. Thank you guys what an amazing kid. Great Kid. At fifteen there's no way I was. You know that articulate at fifteen I wanna know what the heck was talking about I still don't know what I can. Now, what am I talking about? I have been amazed with that kid since the very beginning only because. They composure he has At the age that he is, may sounds like a guy that's been racing for fifty years. To See him win this week would be amazed. Gosh, that would be that would be so cool for me. Got His first pole. Why am I win? Just move moving up I was to to hear that he won his first late model race at ten years old and to be racing against people who are twenty. You have to go back and look at. Look at some of the photos of him. Yeah. Okay. If you go back and look at some of the photos of him, look. I mean he was. Yeah I mean he's short still but he was short. I mean he was small little kid the they had to do special things with the pedals just so he could get in the car and to see him race ten years old I was like, wow, this kid's going somewhere any he is I think that he's got enough connections hence Blah Blah Blah, you know who I'm talking about. And maybe that he'll get shot when he's when he's old enough, you know what time it is what time is it? storytime. With Randy Hallman. Here another story, Brandon I can't wait. Specially after land after last week's I, like that one. Hey, buddy. Are. You guys good. By the way folks his new column on the race in Virginia Dot. com website is where we are right now kind of a mid year recap. So go go there and do some reading. Yes Well said. A look around and and trying to. figure out who was racing wasn't and I mean you know it's just such a tough time for track owners and fans. So I just ran through it quickly, and and as I said in the column if you if you go, you want to go to the store the it is in an operation. That website. Make that call. Make sure they running. And then. If. You get a chance to get out there go, and if you go where the map I mean it's a pain in the neck. But would just wear it it. It's GonNa. It's GonNa. It's GonNa help racetrack stay open. Yeah. I don't WanNa talk too much about it but I. Mean. There are health department officials going to some tracks and actually cracking down so and and I've had a couple of tracks outside the state of Virginia that have actually been closed because they didn't follow the rules. It's not. It's not that hard. It's not fun but it's not that art. Now I've been two or three races this year kept mask on a whole time it's not that difficult to do. Pain about. So what's what's our story this week? Well it. Through. Knows how people make these connections in their head I've never been to the to the New Hampshire track it. It didn't come into being that particular tracking until after I retired I've never gotten up there maybe I will say. It just made me think about what tractor about venture and So, when I go big. I, I went to. Lamont. In Nineteen, seventy six. When Time Levy took his car there. and. And talk about a fun trip. That was that was great. Enjoyed it. Immensely what happened with? Bill France. Senior. Who had? Visions of of of an international. Circuit either. Either taking NASCAR international or or creating another circuit. And International Circuit would run in Europe and beyond anyway. He, of course, knew everybody racing everywhere and arrange for a two car class. Among the fifty five cars that were injured in the in the Lemoyne's Ray. That's an eight eight and a half mile track. There's plenty of room. And there are fifty cars in the field that year. and. Two of those cars were a NASCAR stock car. Outfitted Doron twenty four hours in in a right. So that's what that's what it was and Jimmy was one of the ones that France taps go. I want you to represent at Lamont. That may the case. my friend L. Tears writer from Newport News L. Pearson I decided we gotta be there. He's going to be there. We're going to be there. So we we we Arrange to go to see the twenty four hours of Lamont. With. Junius car and occur field by Hershel mcgriff. With his son. and. And it was right. We had a good time. The car did not finish. Well Magritte's are they qualified way back pack. On old the. Prototype Sports, cars, and everything else. was out early it had it had a problem with the fuel mix and didn't work and and when early Jenny's guard. DID PRETTY WELL WE WE WE watched it ray deep into the night when about eleven hours went about nine hundred miles. And? And was fun to watch it was You know they're you know come by with a with a portion, this draft, every all the other cars love the draft with Danny's car because cut that's a big hole in the air. That they would They were you know really glad to get behind it and you got. A four mile three and a half mile away straightaway away at the back in and they blew. Down there, if they were if they got the it's a draft. From Genie Scar on they went. What, what was really fun about it was the. The threesome that drove ginny that was Dick Brooks is regular driver. There was a Frenchman Marcel Menu. Who Janney picked up knowing? First of all, he needed somebody to speak French. And second you got better treatment from the officials if you had a Frenchman in your team. Ginny Ginny. was. Picked up Marcel. And and the third driver was Dick Hutcherson. Hutch was. Retired. He had raced in the sixties about four years. He's like one hundred, three races won fourteen of this kind of. Great. That was a great drive. Any also raised in like. Believe it was sixty six. When this was the year that the the movie was made for versus Ferrari. And touch was in the third place of the three fords that one-two-three. He was part of that team. So he had driven the minds before he knew all about what he was doing. Was Great. That's was a great. Right, driving. And I got to meet him in and and be random that really cool guy funny. And I can't say enough about his career besides winning those races. He he retired from racing itself. He was general manager Holman Moody. He was. In, charge of David Pearson. For. into. Fierce. Championship years. And then he and and A friend formed Hutcherson Pagan. which was its own chassis building. company at prepared cars for tons of really good good teams including AJ boy. IN NASCAR for years I mean the guy the guy did it all new at all? He was he was great. And So. I got to be around him and what that team road. Again they went about ten hours and finally yearbook. Play or something that they had. Installed gotten from penske. road, racing outfit, but sales. and. But they they were headed for as far back as they fall back in the fifties. But they were headed for a top twenty because they were. You know they were steady and quick and and you know we're getting the best out of things and other people we're phone out. And they might have made top twenty. In, that right said they had been able to send. They did as I said Go. More than more than they ever way over day eight, hundred miles. In the right. So that was great and also great just to be there. To. I mean the whole thing the whole thing Lemoyne's is a. Carnival. There's a ferris wheel. There's there's reds there's places to go I mean you know you people are camping out it's a twenty four hour race in there for like three days. And all that. And And we were there. Harder to fund was. Well, with the the the. The newspaper didn't send me. They take me like a freelancer which is to say not much at all. So I had also been able to arrange with Chris Automatic. It was the editor of Mantle speech is the right for him that way and really. Maybe the greatest honor of my tire. Careers, reporter was Chris turned over his column fake. To me that we can. I don't know if he did that anybody probably did but. It was extremely rare. So I wrote the editor's notebook column for that week. And I gotta say it was as bad as anything I ever wrote. I did not russ the case in Chris Chris of course, lew everybody and everything he would have written we would have talked to every. American there he would have. He would have talked to all the top people not me. I was trying to write some mood piece about Jimmy, Don Levy and similar. Not Good. I. I'm embarrassed now, Madison Anyway was kind enough to let me do it. Many also iskoe part of this deal he he arranged for you know part of his payment he paid me a little bit. And he arranged to have car. From his friends at Reynaud. And when I got. France in Paris. Went to the Reynaud factory and they handed me the keys to this. Hot. Brand. New Nineteen, seventy, six sporting model. In the car was I mean it was great and I I would say what the Allen couple in a couple of people. And we drove we drove on out the mine was just. A couple hours away. And then. One thing I, remember about their car drove back and we were in a hurry we the race was over. And we all had planes two cats and you know scheduled to me. So we filed in that car you're four of. And we're driving back and. Basically I was just With the with the flow of traffic on that. What A, to the French interstate. Wide and And and pretty. Pretty Straight. and. I was going fast. And I was in the fast, lane. But I was just going with the flow of traffic and here I am you know just? Suffering alone, getting back to Paris to make my plane. and. And there's a car comes up behind me. And the guy this is like a couple of times and I'm thinking okay. Okay. I got you know it's like four or five lanes. Well, I gotta get over here and let this guy go because he really wants to get. And I looked down and I and I'm having to convert. The miles per hour because that's what Dahmer's more. When I look down when I look at it and think about it for a minute, they can this guy wants to pass me And according to my conversion math, I'm doing a hundred and five miles an hour. Like I'm only a little faster than the next lane and I'm not fast. Enough. Nobody, it wasn't. You know nobody was acting crazy. It was just like I WanNa, go hundred twenty. mcnew Bono. But. Later I. Don't think I've ever driven that any other time in my life. Man. You know this is slightly crazy but anyway, we we've made it everybody was like enough when we got back. Over Europe in Europe. They drive really fast and it's amazing. They don't have a whole lot of accidents. It's just that when they have an accident. Is a big one. Yeah look out for the forty car. Pileup. Like yeah. Yeah. Now now you've you went over there with to cover with genie dunlavey. He he probably a Federal Baloney Sandwich I'm sure. Absolutely. Absolutely. It was like. When we arrived at the track we've been we've been in France for better day. ALMANAC 'cause we we we. Flew into Paris. We we got that car we we we had stay overnight to. Get the Reynaud to get the car and all that. And at the time. This is nineteen seventy six are are busting deal you great seventy six and it was you know everybody was aware of America's. you know two hundred year anniversary. And but seventy six. You. In Europe you were not at least in Paris Agreement. You're not likely to find any ice in your drink and it was pretty hot. And of course we Americans we want we want our Coca Cola Ford over thirty four five of ice. So, so forth and and you get these. Lightly, cooler in room temperature. And so just I duNno we Americans we were we were just thirsty and we were thirsty for some cold. So we get to the track. And Has Wonderful Baloney sandwiches radio. and. mcgriff was sponsored by Olympia Beer. And with pulls a cooler out of his haller. And Offers recipe or you know pitches a beer cans and those those beer cans been immersed in ice and they were they were so cold. It was like. Like when you drink a coker or drink out of a cannon and a little bit of slivers of. And man that was the best beer. I. Ever had. Berkeley. Niro. Great. Yeah I don't know if Brandon. Knows it but but Baloney Sandwich was a gourmet meal at and Ginny dunlap he's trailing. Yeah. It's widely known that that's what he s bed everybody now. Did he import the Baloney from America all he probably brought it. He probably he he probably packed it in his suitcase in Tokyo winning. It with winning winning went in and and it was yeah, that was. You know I think about that Nelson so many. Even now when when we not quite a NASCAR. Is Not quite as big of much of a big bucks after the Easter break. Seems are struggling to keep their sponsors and all that but still many of them several of them have the master chefs and in their employees. that are preparing these very helpful very carefully thought out meals and I think and. I'm from a different time a different era when you just. Wonder through than you would say, come on get your Baloney Sandwich. Well. As, always you come you come to the table. Or the microphones speak. With a story that I've never heard before that that that was awesome. I didn't I didn't even know Gondola Mons. Yeah. Absolutely with and and those guys. Enjoyed that you know. They, had they had a great time they they spent a night or two in Paris. They they went to some of the shows there You know and and in. This were were part of the part of the whole scene and the car I gotta say the card. The American cars were a huge hit because of the way founded in the way they look. Different from anything else. And the. The Fan. told. Told those soccer that? Monster, the two months Gary. And and when. Alan I were in the community there that like that Friday Saturday night. We. We were you know just looking for something to do and some of these fans that were there. They found out who we were and where we were from and we we knew these stockard as the old man. We were degrade people in the world and they we barely spoke any France and they didn't speak English but they come on. And they took us to a bar. Not. Not. That weren't as you never heard of anywhere in the month and then and all that sort of thing, but they took their place. l., Allen I, gotTa. either. Drink. And al.. went up to the bar and he saw that they had a newspaper clipping with the do monster. In the photo and Al.. Declared everybody that's us. We're from America. We know Jimmy Died Levy. People were cheering and and L. declared. We shall return. I don't think either one of us. It's been back that barbeque. We should. We go back and and and be there while we were there. This was this was this kind of our. Well, we were there having sucked into their table just laughing and having fun and trying to understand each other we'll. Fight broke out in the back. And and just kind of rolled fast. You know these guys are sort of wailing away. I don't know what they were fighting I have no idea and it. It reminded me of a Beetle Bailey cartoon when you know with the cloud of us with a couple of feet arm sticking out. It was that I think it just kind of roll past and roll back back to the back again and everybody just ignoring it. So I mean we we just had a great time to prove had a great time. It's one of those things that you never forget. really really enjoyed enjoyed being in in rent with Jimmy John. Levy and company. Just. A quick reminder the Racing Virginia website and check out his latest column and of course, as always check in every week for story time with Randy home and thanks randy. Talking to you. Thanks for having me created. Another great story by the way, I can almost bet you. Dick. trickle. If he ran a five hour stint. He probably smoke two packs of cigarettes. Look Dash right there in the car. I don't know if you've ever seen him there's some pictures of him racing and you can see one handed the cigarette the in car camera from Talladega I remember back in the early nineties I think it was I. think that if if AL and Randy go back to France and have a drink, they need to take us with. That'd be nice. Was a French minor in college. Full say play do suck. They're really. Well you know the one thing I always said, you know everybody. WanNa, just take Spanish. Spanish doesn't sound very sexy but but a guy speaking French to a girl. We. Would lay visa day it'll belly. A wobble could be L. Holy Smoke That is something I did not know. At all we've been waiting to have this cat on is a I. Got a tip my hat to him because anybody that will resurrect a racetrack. Is a special kind of guy my in my book, the track is in callaway Virginia it is Franklin. County speedway is the owner of moonshine capital promotions with his wife Kimberly, and of course, not only that but he is the owner and founder of race twenty, two dot com. We're GONNA talk to him about all of that. Mr Langley Austin comes to the hoosier driver, dot? Org Hotline. Buddy. Guy. It's pretty good. It's good to have you on for the first time every. Hates it I haven't been able to connect with you before a bit. Of I can tell you this. You are now our meme well you. I mean you're a promoter so you should be a member of our team Racing Virginia. Our family, right we're inducting new members all the time every day every day. That's you know you. You took over Franklin County speedway. She's jump right in what have been the greatest challenges that you've had with promoting a short-track I mean. That's a that's a long time we. Don't know how long this podcasts can be but probably not long enough to talk about all that. But There's so many things this year obviously, you have the pandemic but there's so many other challenges there especially with the facility that's forty. Fifty years old you know just hasn't hasn't been changed much since nineteen, sixty nine. So you know with just the challenge to make sure that everything works every week more than anything. And then getting employees and you know maintaining them. It's very tough. You know we're you know we're outside of that Charlotte hub of of people and where the racetrack hasn't had any assistance the over the last twenty years You know it's really hard to build a staff and I think that's probably the biggest gallons of had in the one thing that I think that I enjoy. The most is that a lot of your race names are have A. Tip of the hat to the history of Franklin, county with its with the Moonshine I. Love It. Yeah. I mean we're you know we're we're all about the the the county that we're in and and it's heritage and history, and and the same thing for you know short-track racing you know we try to those names in sometimes You know to other events that have happened. You know that no longer take place and and and I also want him to kind of have a you know at Tom have a have a wwe wrestling field you know what I mean not. You know we're we're having wrestling. We do from time to time unfortunately But. You know that that is something that I you know growing up. You know I watched a lot of WWF wrestling. You know hope Hogan those guys and the names of their event you know stand out in my mind and and I want people to remember the names of these events that we try to. Uh, all of that together as. You know you mentioned the pandemic how has the fan count and also I mean I know you're limited but the the car count been this year for Franklin County honestly. I you know. I i. think maybe a few more people that haven't. Hasn't attended race in several years. showed up but honestly, it hasn't affected much of anything you know down not or not better than I anticipated then being they're not worse than just faded in the big you know going into this year Where we're at, you know we're you know we're a a real bouldering You have to get down and down and dirty and get you know get your hands dirty and get up on the wheels to to raise the Franklin young speedway and and there's There's a content of racers especially ones from from nearby you know motormouth and. They're not ready to get up on They don't have to at their home track and they're not ready for that. So they don't feel and race with us are a lot of our lot of are racists come from North Carolina where there are a lot more boring than You know that's that's our biggest That's our biggest hurdle with with the pandemic is we're trying to draw those guys You know sometimes they have restrictions on traveling. You know depending on weather from you know spots all that and we have to kind of pay attention to that too. So that's I think that's been the biggest challenge with. You have a eliminate middle class that is your premier class although this year and you're getting ready to have. The second one. Stadium invasion to. which a lot of the Bowman Gray modified coming up to race at Franklin. County which. Which eight three hates mile and twenty two degree banking holy smoke. Yeah. Yeah. The there's Bowman Gray Stadium. They a lot of them didn't know what they were in for when they got there. You know they they raised around a flat you know tracking. Room and when they got there for last one. there was some some cars at all during practice on Friday and You know they weren't. They weren't prepared for all the things but by the end of the weekend man I, think most of those guys want the racetrack old this war in places Bonaparte, but it's one of the most Incredibly. Bad to the bone racetracks that you will ever attend as a Racer Orban you know I I tell people all the time no matter where they're from because you know I know. You from race he do I knew everybody in in in writing just about and I always tell people man if you've never been to Franklin County, you should experience at least one time whether you're racer fan because there is there's going to be something. You're gonNA enjoy the night in what? How did that partnership are? Come about to get the Bowman Gray modified up to Franklin County. New. Opportunity you know. That's the that's the one thing about the the pandemic it went from. It went from being you know A. A death nail, you know what I mean. Being a gift I mean with with Bowman Gray being shut down and and at the time we were providing the last the last one. Had announced that they were shut down for the year There were still it was still somewhat in limbo and the week of our event. They actually announced that they were shut down for years that forced a few more people come our way and made the event a little bigger than it probably would have been and now that you know they're down I think you know some other guys who like, Hey, you know we're going to get up there and and and go right 'cause they're giving us an opportunity breaks I was getting ready to ask you do expect hire car count than the first one. how do You know and and you know it's always something hard to predict Just based on conversations I do think that we'll have. Three or four more cars than everyone of the division anything There's a there's honestly there's a lot of sponsors of businesses they're involved with racers down there who have reached out to us or we've reached out to them and and trying to put some more money in the in the pot for the racers and You know just trying to do fun things that. Would make them want to come to the racetrack. I mean, they all want to raise but you know a lot of them are has man you go from completely flat track and something that you've known all your life going to the high banks up in the hills where you get lost in you think you've done you made the movie wrong turn. So I mean it's just a different It's just a different thing for those. It's culture shock those guys. So, speaking of A. Fan Getting fans to the race track For. Fans. Of racing maybe over here towards the East Coast not might not experience to track before or people around Who might not even be race fans K- kind of explain the the at track experience for somebody who's never visited Franklin. County. Different for sure You know. It's like I said earlier, you know the place has been unchanged since nineteen, sixty, nine dollars. I'm thinking about things into that but We I. It's just old old concrete bleachers you know An Old Pacific. So so if you're going there for the luxuries of life, you know you're not going to actually I dated. Tonight and we are not but but does the. As, far as watching Ray as far as what you'll see on the track, you know crazy things happen in Frank Yang. It's a lot like bowman gray in the aspect of. a lot of wild things happen. There's fights every now, and then I'm probably a little more than every now and then you know and just you. You're GonNa see good stuff I mean and the holiday you know obviously make the races extremely exciting I mean I've been to Langley speedway you know I think the racist fantastic but the man, the banking at Franklin County just makes everything looked more intense and and I think coming. In now, I would think that just like Bowman Gray Franklin County being that it's you know up in the western part of the state. There are a lot of feuding going on. Yeah Yeah I mean they they talk about. McCoy's up in West Virginia. We got I. Don't know what their names are down here, but we got money one. You need to be you know as as a promoter I. Don't know what your you know. ABC License says you can do but man. I. Don't know if you well I take that back I. Don't know if you WANNA actually serve any fans any moonshine. Well I mean we're we're I say away from that. You fans do do bring their bring their own alcoholic in I'm. Not Saying that I condone that. Happen and they do get a little rowdy I think somebody got body slammed on somebody started this past weekend. So little wwe action going on up there s but it it's. It's it's exciting. It's you know for the most part. It's a good family fun time and you know if you if you like you might say Mark Amer fobbed. I see a moonshine company as a great sponsor for Franklin County The you know the Birthplace of eight shine. I agree one hundred percent deep never been able to walk one and we've worked on several You know there's one that it sponsors you know we forty on them. And finding I'm good friends wouldn't yeah and you know. So we need to get on board for here it'd be it'd be great Su to have them and we could really promote them I. Mean Franklin County Obviously, the you know the moonshine capital of the world and and we can definitely promote their products better than anybody else now. Being a promoter of Franklin Cami. Time job as well. I believe and you also are the only founder of race twenty, two DOT com. How do you juggle all that? Well, I don't know about the full time job part. I. Don't I. I have tried my entire. Why didn't ever have a job I have one for a year working for Michael Ds Southern National. He was the worst boss ever and I was worst employee ever, and now we're really good friends We wanted to kill each other back then but you know the the recently to race only do things are Kinda back a little bit because I've been really busy Franklin, county on the Andy Martini and brandon white and correlate them. They've been and they've been taking the reins and You know really trying to you know make sure it. You know going and it's been really that's probably been a bigger challenge than trying to run a write in in the pandemic you know with all the racing that's down for such a long time you know everything do you trying to spin out content and man that was That was a headache and a half and I'm glad I'm Kinda step back from that at the moment because you know there's still a lot of challenges to go into some of these events and you know the difference different places and and all of that. So but you know it is hard to juggle I. Don't do a good job of it to be honest with. I have a hard time focusing on more than more than one thing at a time and you know I do try to get as much done as possible. But you know right now I'm I'm fully focused on Frankel County. Making it the best we can make them, what are your plans for Franklin County? well, that's hard to say to be honest with you for the rest of the year goes. That's about as far as I can go with. we're we're steadily making improvements We've been working on the scoreboard. Thank you know from nineteen they do believe you know it hasn't worked and twenty sixteen We'll have at work in this weekend. I'm not one hundred percent. Sure we we figured out what's wrong with it got concrete project doing on track right now you know trying to resurface some fit area as well as possibly part of the racetrack not sure gets it this week or not but you know just upgrading bathrooms and doing some other things man you know we've just we're just putting honestly I, love that place I grew up there. You know my my mom lives on the road. Getting into the racetrack. So I grew up their minds, highlights and You know really I love the place in I just WANNA put. My heart and soul into that place and try to make it what it was in the nineteen eighties and we've We've had some you know with the restrictions. We've know we've been capped at at the the numbers there for the pandemic but you know we've we've had good grounds. You know all things considered you know they the track has been drawing. Know you know I ain't gonNA. You know before it was wrong hundred or. Before we took it over and in the stands, and now we've got a pretty decent crowd built up and some of its gift to the pandemic did nothing else to do but a lot of it is raising their fantastic rations have been doing a good job, the show and and we've been trying to. You know say his organizers we can I You know another thing that yes you know earlier about the staff up in. So inconsistent one week you know got one race director next week they got a different one you know everything don't think. That any employee at every right so far this year, and so that's that's that's been a that's been a real hurdle. And of course, you get a lot of help for your wife Kimberly who's big part of it. Yeah for sure and and she does have a fulltime job. So you know that that's another talents because there's several things you know at the racetrack that she's really good at you know they'd has to be done during the week that I'm not good at Either I gotta bring somebody else in or she's gotTa find time to get there You know she handles everything. People people come up talking to me about you know money. This is money that I'm like you've ever seen with money and lines I don't I don't I don't. You know what I mean and same thing goes for me when I race director if you walked up to me and go, hey man, can I do this or what? What was this tall man I ain't got ready on? I. Don't know what you're talking about over and talk you only because if you people in place and you don't let them do their job right then you're never going to be successful. Great Great Statement Ryan there. I mean there's a perfect statement because there are a lot of promoters that liked to micromanage and then it ends up becoming a toxic. Environment and. Not. Only with the your employees, but also with your drivers. So I applaud you for taking off the you know the the the headsets and going around talking to the race fans and shaking their hands thanking them for coming out I mean, that's what a promoter supposed to do. Absolutely. Yeah. Somebody asked me one day said why? Why are you a promoter? Instead of remainder I said general manager they look over everything promoter, take my job and that's what I do. I feel like I'm pretty good at it and and if I'm not, I'll be out of business one day and and I won't have to worry about it but you know that's That's that's my goal going in every week is to try to figure out how to sell the most tickets and and try to make the workforce pandemic has you limited somewhat but you know I, mean, you know to take the racetrack from you know basically nothing You know I feel like we're in a really good spot and I'm just GONNA continue to. It's night work. Well. We can't be more proud to have you as part of the family here at race. In Virginia we want to help as much as we can to to promote the drivers and the and the events there at your speedway. That's that's the goal for this particular podcast and We've been doing it for three years. We're going to continue to grow this thing. We can't thank you enough for taking some time out of your busy schedule to talk with US I do have to ask you though because doc love is. Is like a great. He he he's an old friend I call him the round mound of sound. Pretty good. I've got a picture that I need to send you Abdoulla of Nana. On a spare rib. At Virginia Motor speedway that. Could have his ammunition for him. For. I I'm a doc-. You know he got auto racing there for a little while My wife actually brought him back you know she saw him today sitting in the stands and he didn't even recognize her in This was a couple years ago and got him back going and rice and you know we're glad to have him as part of the race twenty thirteen. He hasn't been able to make it up to Franklin County. But hopefully, you know one weekend is not covering something else. You'd be able to make it up there and He's a good guy and. His his heart's in the right place, and he's trying to do with us before back racing and that's that's kind of people that I want to surround myself where yeah. Because absolutely different isn't gonNA laugh forever we don't link it lasts for now and and you know dot got out because he was frustrated with the industry. As as many as a of us do and the Nice thing is if you can get around people that think the same way as you. The. There's a week and grow the sport I mean that's me like you like to tie things into like a wwe title thing. You know that kind of that appeals not only to old crowd but to the younger generation. and. You know that's what we're losing right now where we've we've lost a younger generation and we need to try to get them to the race track and I think you're doing a great job congratulations. On. I call it a success of what's happening Dan Franklin, county even in endemic. Yeah I mean listen I. I would based on where we started the season. Thinking we would be where we're at at the moment I I'll take it. Oh, considered when we you know tomorrow they they go to face to phase one and we're shut back down I'll take it as victory this season and we long but I'm hoping that doesn't happen and I'm hoping that we're able to you know continue to march on. I. Think. We've got a lot of really really awesome event plans especially over the next three or four weeks and lot more than we're GONNA announce the next few days and you know sponsorships never been coming in. You know it's funny during during the fantastic I would have never believed the sponsorship would come our way more than it would have otherwise it's just it's it's really weird I I feel like we've got a golden opportunity here in I'm not like. Folks have you WanNa see some exciting race in head out to callaway Virginia and go to Franklin County speedway you can find them at the F. C. S. speedway DOT COM and on facebook at Franklin Co speedway. As far as social media, and if you want to know about late models, the head over to raise twenty two dot com, they took job covering late Mama's. Appreciate that man. Yeah. On facebook. It's actually frankly big speedway dash moonshot. Okay. That's. Longer yeah. Just Sir Franklin County speedway it will come up. That's right back. Thanks again, Langley. We look forward to talking to you again. You got thank Y'all you'll have a good day. All right. Man for for for someone to take over a race track. That has been dormant or has been doing extremely bad like it was and try to put as much effort. I understand now why he wants to do it because that's the likes southside for me That was where I grew up I'm went there every Friday night? Franklin county that's that track for him and obviously hurt him his mom Liz, the road heading to the racetrack. So he grew up real I'm sure you could probably even walk to it. So I mean, it's nice to see younger promoters come into the business just like CREIGHTON and at at Langley, we're seeing a younger group of guys come in to help promote racine, and hopefully that will bring some some younger mentality and. To The table that will get up keep. Race fans coming through the front gate absolutely, and not only that it's the you know speaking a different language sometimes like when when you're younger you just you can speak to that generation. You can speak to that audience a little better and have some of those ideas you know blossom into into ticket sales. Yeah. Well another great show. I have to say that and I'm not saying that just because we do it and some really good interviews. Yeah this. Really, nice mix I said earlier in the show but a really, really good mix, and I wasn't expecting Randy's story about About Lemond France. But that was a that was really cool in a really cool racing Virginia connection to Jimmy Don Lemon as well and we found out. Brandon Brown is that speak French? Yes. Probably probably how it got girlfriend. No hundred do that and That is probably not an interview we want to do. On a raise in Virginia, products but you know again, we have another great show for next week's Yup. All right. We're already schedule them. We can't thank you enough for listening and clicking and and. I will I will tell you remember last week I told you you was being it is up. All right. We're going to link to that on social media this week to to have you a nice one stop shop for all of the all of the shows that we've done so far. Yeah. That's between me Brandon Brown. WE'LL PUT WE'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA start putting. No one's own. Yup. Okay. But it's GonNa take a little bit. You know this the export process takes a while to do. And then the end to import it and upload it to Youtube takes some. Some some more time. Yeah. So we'll we'll slowly but surely getting all the shows on there. But it's racing at race in Virginia, on on Youtube and you it's the whole show. Okay. We'll probably have our face to face time video stuff that we do. You know throughout the year we'll have that on there as well, but it's just another platform speaking of other platforms we are in talks on where we're GONNA post this for podcasting because we WANNA make it easy for you guys to get to Yup. We know sometimes going to the website clicking and having to download and. Maybe. A little cumbersome, but you know what? the the Mo on mobile it's still pretty moment. It's mobile friendly. So that's that's a way to look at it but you know we understand you like get notifications and. Play it in the background. Doing on your like me I'm right down the road I. I'm listening to itunes tunes see. All. My podcast through I mean I understand I was I was listening to spotify the Dale Junior download of the Robby Gordon episode if you haven't listened. And it really is a really good one talking about his business and we're off on a little tangent here at the end. But that was a really cool one. But illustrate like you just plug it in and you head up the road and Headed Dominion raceway and listen to some racing while you're getting there that that's what we. AT SPIRE TO BE A show similar to the. Junior download. You're hearing this. You're awesome. Baby they do. You know he's you know his mom lives here in Virginia. I, wonder if we can adopt him into the bracing Virginia. Fan. As they give if you could adopt their junior and any family you're doing pretty good. Is that a challenge for me to get him? Dale's Dale's had a lot of good success here in in Virginia? Yes. Challenge accept it. All right challenge accepted I. Am I am? Is there a timeframe honest like you were giving you a month or give me to my? I'm just. I'm not going to jump in and be a stock or anything, but I am GONNA use my new slide into del Juniors twitter DM. Grandma used my connections that I've built over thirty years and see if I can't get to him. Yeah. Because the funny thing is is when he was coming up late model racing probably interviewed him Twenty thirty times. They you know when he when he come to South Boston race or we you know Hickory or you know it because there's a lot of story I love to talk to him about it because. You know people say. When he was running late models here in the state of Virginia South Boston. That they didn't think he had a much talent. But And I love to ask him about this because I don't think he got a lot of respect yep. Because of his name, everybody wanted to rub on him, give him some bumper spinning him out whatever you know and You know back then to be honest with you if I if I had to think about. A lot of people were saying the best. EARNHARDT. Kit Out of the kids was Kelly. Yeah. That's what everybody says which was Kelly. Most. talented. So which by the way, she has a new book that came out. Very good by the way. but yeah, that's challenges Septa but challenge accept it. You know with his family hand Virginia we can call in Virginia. Whether he's like Harris wants remove. I'll maybe. They all might be twice moisture. Or more. So but six degrees of Racing Virginia absolutely we're going to try we. You know we're going to try that. This this this show is all about is promoting short track racing, and that's the one thing that Dale Earnhardt Jr. loves to do. Absolutely. So our Social Media Guru over here does a great job where can they find it at Racing Virginia on facebook twitter and Instagram, and now you to lose weight and and soon to come to a podcast. Format Of, your choice. I in researching this brandon by the way I want to give too long but there must be a mill. There's at least a hundred. Different places you can go to listen to podcast. 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09-26-19 NASCAR America

NASCAR America

46:37 min | 1 year ago

09-26-19 NASCAR America

"Talk to us we are getting roble ready today on Nascar America here with AJ Almudena and Parker clergyman both of whom are racing this weekend. Aj and the xfinity series Parker in the Cup series so this Thursday shows really just like a warm up act for the main event each other. That's probably we could be nice erased. Were both going to be on victory lap as well so that he's got game. They give me tips. This gives me no not going to happen to watch but you can watch him on Saturday. Yeah Jack. We're GONNA have to on the show today. We have a lot to get to Jimmy. Johnson does miss part to hold local students and also explains the challenges. You of the Charlottesville involved in the big finish facing a must win situation. We go behind the driver. When Eric Jones reveals the biggest influence his racing career and if another edition of his tail time we take a trip to a short back in North Carolina the tax a lot of fun but we are. I still breaking down the big news from yesterday. Ralston racing announced that it will part ways with Ricky stenhouse junior at the end of the two thousand eighteen season and the Chris Buscher will rejoined organization and drive the number Seventeen Ford Mustang next year and I know social media going crazy with everything someone. Aj reached out to you already said they had maybe the answer that you should be. You should be in the car and he responded with this. I mean I had I had my time and yeah and I'm happy here at the NBC. You See sports family. That's not Mr tickle your cat. Okay no posture yes before we do start this discussion. If you do want to try to follow along there's a lot of moving pieces log on to NBC Sports Dot Com Nate Ryan just posting today the latest it kind of helps sort of break everything down and I guess that's what we have to do here Parker because any time time in any sport an athlete changes address moves teams. You always want us. Okay who who wins in this you know what rush fenway racing does this move. They needed to make for the organization. Are they now on the better side of things. I think you need to look at this organization from what they've been trying to achieve the last couple of years to see how they won here how they cheat with maybe they're trying to achieve and therefore for what I go back to is over the last couple of years. We've watched this organization continue be fringe playoff organizations. They've tried to manipulate ways into the playoffs. They have always called them the team. That's it's money bowling their way into the piles whether it's really focusing on the super speedways with Ricky stenhouse junior and putting a lot of resources on those races in trying to get a win to get in the playoffs house or trying to look at points late in the season say okay. What do we need to do. Average finish wise to make sure we're in the playoffs but what Ryan Newman expose this season was that there there's a path for this team outside the top twenty in fastest cars they could point their way into the playoffs and I think this was. Maybe one of the worst things ricky in that. He's not the type of drive. It really buys into that point situation. He wants to just go out there and rates for wins. He's going to go out there and try to get just the absolute best performance out racecar. He's very aggressive driver. Whereas Newman showed there was the path by being maybe a little bit more consistent a little bit more focus on the point situation so when you look at that and you look at what Chris Butcher does and what he's achieved this season at jt with with numerous top twenty s I mean the best in that organization's history you have to think they looked at those numbers and said all right if we're truly looking at this moneyball situation how can we manipulate the system to make sure that were in the playoffs the best chance they have is someone like Bush over Ricky stenhouse junior because what newman showed them this year and call what it it is. If you look at Chris Butcher he's just a younger version of Ryan Newman. I mean I mean that's essentially what you're saying is. He goes out there and does the same thing he maximizes the race car. He never tears up equipment and I saw this firsthand. He doesn't tariff equipment on his own. I think I count on one hand by himself something that he did the couple of years that I raised with them. He didn't tear up any equipment he maybe had three or four wrecked by himself and he goes out there and make sure that he gets all the points possible. which is what he's doing right now? That's how he's got. The thirty seven car inside the top twenty points had sixteen top twenty in a row up until Richmond this past weekend so so he is a version of Newman now the only thing we've never seen Chris Butcher because he hasn't had the equipment in the Cup series is if they get the cars close enough. Can you go out there and win races in my opinion seen it firsthand being with him every weekend seen how he gets everything out of the race car if they get those cars close enough to to go out there and contend for winds. Maybe not a weekend basis but you picked tracks like Bristol certain places like that and there's so many Chris Amazing at Michigan Kansas. You get cars snuff there. He can go win race so I think this is a great move for row fenway and a great move for Chris Butcher himself. I would like to go back to I think a lot of people overlook the fact of okay for Ricky stenhouse one of the things that I love watching him race cars is that he is so aggressive but he is someone who puts it all on the line. It doesn't matter if it's practice qualifying or the race. He's GonNa give it one hundred ten percent. I love that about him. I love watching him drive race cars for what row Ben Racing trying to achieve though he probably has proven not to be the driver for them and what they're trying to do and that's what I believe. Steve Mo- new Mark Really alluded to in his comments insane. They've started to see a path and he just doesn't align with that path but there is an organization out there possibly that his driving style and the ways we can. San How's it goes about driving that would work for them. It just wasn't right for times. He made those cars look faster gas. Ask actually were but we saw time. He just didn't get the finishes because of being a little too aggressive so you guys are saying I mean I liken it to a quarterback with a great arm but you're playing for a team that likes to run. The ball is just not the right strategy major that fit for that team but there's always sides to every story so we're talking if Rao Fenway is a winner in this situation. What does that mean for? NJIT racing and you're saying you know Kristie well. You raised with him. let's go ahead listened before you get into this discussion a little audio clip from Brad daugherty. Ah About everything went down. Yeah totally caught US off guard because we're we were already building stuff the next season. If everybody else does and getting ready and preparing and you know we do our business a little bit different than a few other folks we really drive you know small packets salk talk to package good product placement stuff really really hard with our partners at Kroger and so yeah we were in the full throes trying to put something significant together and thought we had it done on and pretty close to it and things change. It's like this sketches you off. You know really by surprise this late in the year especially you know you're trying to be a professional as you possibly can. about how you handle these situations i. I don't ever blame any athlete if he thinks he's putting himself in the situation. It's going to be better for him. His family got no no problem with that. It's just for us. It's always the timing and and getting this late into the season when you have commitments it makes it very difficult to swallow this easily so listening to that it sounds like Brad Tatton Jody Scheckter. They were blindsided by this move. I really do think they were blindsided by it. But what the Info that I've gathered in enough people I've talked to in wait somewhat knew it worked is there was a deadline and create. He was not a row fenway driver anymore. When it per se the first year he was at the race is team. He was on loan so he was still route fenway driver that they were alone and after that he became a JT driver but there was a clause in the contract that when Chris was having basically to resign or if the team wanted to resign them it had to be done by a certain date if that date passed Chris and his management team. They let routes fenway no hey they don't they didn't sign so that was a couple of months ago. I don't think anything was really happening until about two weeks ago. It sounds like back and then all of a sudden the wheels in motion started happening and Tuesday night sound like the deal was like this is going to happen Wednesday morning. Everybody knew so to be perfectly honest. I think it was almost a mistake in the sense. There's not a Lotta rides out there so maybe they just thought well. We can kind of just delay this. Take our time because we're GONNA go. There's no rides out there. Where's he going to go next to no ride opened up and he's gone and it's a shame for that race team because he's been doing a fantastic fantastic job and he's made that car inside the top twenty in look strong every weekend so it's going to be interesting they find replace it. We you bring up a good point and that's that AH relationship but crispus your has with Russia and I'm glad you explained that because it sort of puts the pieces in motion or the timeline of the fact that oh wait. There's this kind of contingency. Let's see I guess kind of floating out there. I mean he gave fenway their first or their last and most recent extending series championships and he was with them since he was sixteen years old back all the way to the orchestra series wins achieved champion there for the rule of brothers with being around family relevant driver he didn't get to any inexperienced series takes full holdout. Opportu wins the championship you know they invested in Chris Bush Bush or as a driver vested in his career to bring him up through the ranks and teams will do this. We saw this for numerous years over the last ten or fifteen years. I was a penske development driver. They invested in my hi career and one thing you do if you were to leave them a point and I remember this with Penske was always sort of an unwritten thing. Hey if there's ever a chance for us to join back together you look forward to that because this is the team that took you as a young kid and gave you the opportunity and they thought highly enough of you then and they think highly enough of you in the future to say hey. We want you to come back so that's great situation so. I think you look at it and say okay. He's been gone for a little bit from our tramway but he was always there with them in some respects and they did so much for him to get to this point that he almost went into opportunity come back together like this to benefit both parties then it's a no brainer in that sense so I think it's a cool story in that sense to see teams who have invested young talent to be rewarded in in sort of roundabout way to come back and say okay this guy we invested and now he's come back to hopefully help bus continue our march forward to be more in the playoffs and he's far better off being being in that car now that he was he got out of it right out of the extremely series the experience level having what now four years and that he's been in he knows how to get the job. Bob Dunne and you know I'm a huge fan of Chris. I love being his teammate. We got along great and I learned so much from home and I think as I said rush fenway. They're getting in closer. I mean Heck Ryan. Newman's got a chance to make it to the next round of the playoffs so they're getting closer. They just get it close enough. Both those drivers we know can go win races all right. Let's not right off that thirty-seven still that missing domino of what happens next so we look forward to seeing what happens there but you mentioned making that next round of the playoffs we're GonNa talk about. The role gives us a big race coming up this weekend. We're going to talk about that coming up but for today's Nascar America poll question we want to ask you which of the four drivers currently below the cut line will rally to make the next round of the playoffs and you get to pick one. Alex foaming clip voyeurs Kurt Busch or Air Jones. You can make your choice at NBC sports. Dot Com slash mass car vote heart pack even putting all the pressure on me. Yes not going to you racing it so I know you probably say he wanted to do. You had sites strong opinion race. I try to act like no this is going on. That's my thing though so you're gonNA in a door. Everyone evenly elderly. They're all the same to me all right so William. Do you have any answer that you want to give later in the show impartial. Okay all right we're going to have the results is also later on in the show but coming up next. Jimmy Johnson explains why he remains confident heading into the weekend and why the next eight races are important to to the teams rebuilding process. That's coming up. Welcome back. It's time to make as Social Stop Christopher Bell and Kurt Busch took part in a Robo Rally Tuesday at Charlotte Ambi Surp- scoops of rocky road ice cream to fans what that is it salted caramel ice cream with chocolate chunks marshmallows world. Oh an candied. He says a fake Luke Curtin Join Justin all guy or another NASCAR drivers for over the edge edge participants repelled ten stories down a building to raise money for children's causes through both in Nascar Foundation the Nascar Hall of Fame Foundation the idea. I'd like to be one of those windows. It's for the kids so it's always good and on Wednesday. Jimmy Johnson sponsor ally financial hosted a group of local students this on the Hendrick motorsports campus part of ally fuelling futures a program that educates middle and high schoolers about career paths in motor sports as well as the finance finance relief force. Jimmy was involved in last year's memorable finish at the rose bowl by he hopes this time around. He'll be in victory lane peaceful with our gave birth for years. Jimmy Johnson and his wife Sandra had been giving back to public education in today's no different although it has a little bit different spin on Jimmy. What are we doing here today. Yeah this is largely allies initiative where they really want to teach financial responsibility to kids all around the country we're here today at. Hendrick motorsports went a high school. Students are here and not only learn about financial responsibility but also you know the career paths that exist in a place like Hendrick motorsports where you'd think was just racing but when you really break it down there's engineering and marketing and public relations in a variety of different things that hopefully we can inspire here today at in their stem students so they're interested interested in engineering but but to get that financial element obviously allies bank main focus that'll be key for managing your money to me right way to learn that yeah we had to learn the hardware bravo in typical fashion they want to do it right and and it's a big initiative for them and so it's really important to them to teach that financial responsibility and and I'm taking some notes because I have a nine and a a six year old coming along and we're trying to take care of allowance right now notes from them back to you. Perhaps on the road this weekend because there's not a lot of the data. What did someone call it a subset of one. We have right for one race but going back to this place now. What's your forecast this year. I just need to make that last. yeah that'd be a very important part and not crash morten but it it just a really technical and demanding track and then. I think the changes made we're going to add add another layer of that. the garage area smart you know so. I think our cars are just naturally going to be quicker. We're in around there. Faster Pace plus the higher downforce force. We have on issues package. I think the higher downforce should bring some comfort to us. We're really on its last year so I'm hopeful at least that the higher downforce Coleman cars out a little bit and you mentioned the exit that was that last lab. That's where you nailed it right and you had an incite. You're under a lot more pressure last year I would think because it was a transfer race for story this year a little bit more free and easy and maybe that much more dangerous yeah. I think for a couple reasons one. You're absolutely right with the transfer. Although I wasn't thinking of it it was all about a win I could've finished second transferred and moved on but I was thinking of the wind and then you know just in a rebuilding phase right now. We're trying to rebuild the forty forty eight and make it into what it would will be known as from from this point forward clearly. We have a huge history which had canal the helm car. the history of the car is all about but but we're in a building face in two thousand nineteen really has been a building face. I think we're in a good spot now and we're really looking to these final eight races to set aside for two thousand twenty okay so let's go ahead and talk about the fact obviously looking for redemption this year at the Rosebowl. Can it happen. I mean when you're not in the playoffs. Jimmy Johnson I mean he had a shot last year. It was going for that win. You just said I think it really can happen last year at the robot me from the time that they designed the racetrack. When we started testing testing there he was just on it and you know he's got a road course win but you wouldn't consider Jimmy Johnson the best road course driver out there but I mean he showed up. They were quick from the moment. They got in the race track. During the weekend he was fast and and obviously right here. He had an opportunity to go for the win and now I know I know some people at the time when like why didn't you just settle to make it to the next round the let's not Jimmy Johnson style. You don't win seven championships settling he hasn't won for a while so I don't see now this weekend if they have that same type of speed where he's got no pressure trying to make it to the play. He's trying to spoil everybody to go out there and why he can't do that. Yeah well first of well. He sent it in there which I thought was awesome to watch and I think one of the things I remember from last year was how fast he was actress Chicane. We've completely changed that he was just incredible. Bill meth remade made that huge run on Martin tricks junior coming to that final chicane was that batch when he just got an amazing run through it he was so faster through there all day so I think that was was something that's maybe been taken away from them in terms of what was so good there but he mentioned having higher downforce having more security in the car sorts of things. I think all that's just going to play if you had you were comfortable last year. You're probably going to be more in terms of just having more downforce. The cars could be a little bit more underneath us. Hopefully I'm hoping we'll find out and I think it just having that second year of knowing it's not such an unknown all that through winds up and I think there's an air amongst that team and from Jimmy of confidence I sense you know I know they've mentioned to me a couple of times about having good vibes within that race team and I just think that right now they're in a zone of seen like hey we don't have much to lose at this point so everything serval positive and they he mentioned you building towards next season. I absolutely think that race team is in that positioning okay. We're not gonNA give them to the changes that they made to the track layout. That's coming up later in the show but Jimmy did have a quote last week on racing as a non playoff driver he said I saw quite a few situations where drivers in the playoffs took. Some desperate moves out there. It's not having to other drivers. I have a a few make a move on me as well. It's a tricky situation to be and I know they're going after every point they need but I am i. We currently plan to not allow myself to be used up as I was in Vegas a a couple of times so right there shows that aggression I mean you guys have both been there. You know like in the sense of your racing for something to even if you're not in the playoffs I both situations I made the playoffs and I've been the guy that that has been in the playoffs and no driver wants to be that guy that goes out there in REX playoff contender tender but at the same point they the people that are in the playoffs left understand that like hey the people out of the playoffs. They're quite upset. Jimmy Johnson's. He's never been in this position before so he somewhat forgets hey. He is that guy that used to do that. Every year and you know you take somebody like Daniel Suarez where oh he's he's bouncing off his teammate on the I lab where he got into Joey Logano. He's at an organization that has cautioned the playoff set of one races. He says he was at an organization. The previous couple years that headquarters in the playoffs in one reason he hasn't Wanna racing so he has a lot of pressure for him. Whether maybe he's fight for job or just trying to go out there and win his first interest rates the Austin Dillon thing in bowman at Richmond no or CR they've had struggling year. They're not happy so the drivers that aren't in the playoffs or frustrated straighted and I always looked at it is I don't WanNa be that guy that causes an issue with the playoff drivers have a lot more to lose than I do. So how much risk are are they willing to take and there's a fine line there so that's been my point and I find that some really interesting question. I get asked a lot especially this season driving in a part time capacity. You don't Indy. Just a couple of weeks. Ago was really awkward for me. In terms of I know for my race team. I owe it to them. That are out there looks the same to me doesn't matter what situation there and I've got to beat beat him because as a part time team every finish so much to us or not running there for points. It's literally what that finishes the end of the day matters most and I'll tell you though that no matter what when I was racing around gale swerves in Indy I couldn't help but think man. This guy is a lot to lose today. You know this guy is up for. I've gotTA rates. I've just got to be a little bit conscious of the fact that this is some situation he's in so I think you know so we all try to say. We're just GONNA race you all the same no matter what situation but there comes a time where it's only natural that you understand because you're paying attention obviously as a non-playoff driver that playoff drivers are racing for something a little bit bigger right at times but at the same time if you put it they have more to lose so it's a catch twenty return policy find yourself in. I don't think there's any question I think a lot of people outside our sport that don't understand racing how playoff drivers race with non playoff teams and think that must be really odd. It's just something that we've all had to navigate together because of the situation and I will say you know that's like that. Every playoff run now the championship for there. There was something like if I happen to be around them you almost bail out of the way like I mean unless you're battling for the win in the race because that's a different when those four for drivers but yeah I mean it's they're always going to have more to lose than the guys that aren't on the planet mentioned paying attention before we go to break during that maybe the line of the day from AJ talking about financial maintenance saying with his girls. You know they're going to be okay. I think you're they okay but no. It's cool that they're doing that. You know the program manager sure it's great for I mean you're a millennial. You know Michael Financial help campus campus situation. You'll let me in. I don't know that's just a little behind the scenes from Aj for you before we go to break but coming up Jeff Burton and longtime I star Race Director David who share stories about one short-track with big on intensity puts tales is next here on Nascar America When you ask people they often say it's in my blood drivers in these teams and they running people want to be here their weekend getaway? All these all Detroit catches because there's so many fans that come out there every single beginning me the most important things to give him an opportunity to something. That's really what this is all nothing more important than the small palm grassroots. There's nothing more important. Definitely I love racing community. Is Everybody tells the same passion and the bird. I know what or you're thinking. I have to watch drivers dream grassroots racing in America. It debuts this Saturday at one pm but here's what makes it cool. It was all reported on the very same day this summer but at local tracks all over the country Alaska Maine New Mexico Minnesota and North Carolina all on the way gave me goosebumps on on Saturday course one of the tracks featured in the show Bowman Gray Stadium where Longtime Nascar race director David Hoots started his career in the sport and he's got a few hoops tales to tell about about the Matt House so who are some of the great so you remember racing here I remember Richard Petty started history. I remember when Dale Scott Coming Rex wise in that beautiful gold and white are the red number four near jared being here. There is a list that when you look at the whole of things that have come through grace stadium. It's like the WHO's who vast hall of fame racing the final fired so this place is known as a man in exchange. If you've ever been here on a full moon and just see the elements alibaba's fit can come out. You would understand why I remember Bobby Allison. Urge turn in something occurred during the race. Kurdish spun bobby out. Well Bobby was never one to back down from. Anybody and I think that's why is one of the Great Champions Steel Today Steel L. Today well the second time responding out bobby felt like he needed to reminded that he was out there before the race was over there crossing the football field trying to ram each other. This is nineteen sixty six now it would be priceless to watch these two big grand national cars for across a football field trying to rick each other while the race for school and I I think what's great about that is that we saw that happen to your awful. This same thing happened and I think that's what this racetrack often drivers so. It's so small in the grew. That's one group. There's only one place you want to be and everybody fights for that. Group and people get very very frustrated with each other actually racing each other here every week you know had their frustration. Restauration level has to be exceptional. I think that's what adds to the excitement the same token you'll have these fans that are absolutely passionate to watch these cars go around and let's face it you and I both know racing fans or some of the greatest interest and I think Parker are in. Aj agree as we were watching that you said what a love bone-dry guys are talking also by a couple times and it's just an incredible experience atmospheres insane. I remember the first time I went you know I've seen the pictures videos the show at the time I remember thinking well. You know I can get there will later like they don't need to be there that early. We we arrived couldn't find parking getting into I was surprised we were allowed to end because it was show packed and it was just insane experience. I went back time so they thought it was so. I've loved that if you haven't done it as a race fan you gotta go. Check it out just one time because I don't think there's an atmosphere like eight yeah. It's insane like what what you see guys in the infield running into each other. I mean that pretty much happens on a weekend basis. They're like it's it's insanity means called the madhouse for reason and that's probably an understatement well and if you can't make it they're remember to tune in and this Saturday at one PM. You'll see bowman gray for right there. Along with Alaska always going to be really cool driver in dreams you. GotTa check it out well from Bowman Gray to the last frontier now. Let's talk about Alaska's next on our fifty states in fifty days tour revisiting Alaska Raceway Park which I opened a drag strip in one thousand nine hundred sixty four today. It's the only only drag strip in the state each year in post. The Thunder Valley flag drags they Retro Party in the kids that includes vintage dragsters car show up on tests and more looks like a lot of fun in two thousand fifteen addity NASCAR sanctioned short track this one third mile bowl ring features reviews of Pioneer Park. Look at that looms over the finish line one of his up and coming legends tiny lamb the lone female drivers attract. She's a two time champion and baby grand holds. The state's lap records for a spray ktar on asphalt very cool. We have followed Tanya for sure another regular and Alaska Raceway Park is Liam mackey lance four time winner of both the idea rod in the the Yukon Quest sled dog races one of the greatest mushers of all time. Lands took a racing in two thousand fifteen when Steph into a legends car for the first time he's been competing in them ever. Since how about that guy he was like this resource is a lot more here. This is this from your local short track with the Hashtag my track my room season's over at Alaska raceway park but maybe just in time pioneer peaks starting to get some snow yeah. It looks like it'd be it'd be pretty cold. Even the Reagan I'd see a spurt car with snow covered as for Arizona's be right. How about this for whether transition transition. They'll everything through the end of November this weekend. They're going to host the hall of Fame Classic Four Spring Cars. All Right Air Jones began his racing career at age seven today's date he's one of NASCAR's brightest young stars who helped him lead such heights find out in the latest edition of behind the driver when we return garden won his second. NTT Indycar Series Championship last weekend but you'll soon be back behind the wheel tomorrow new garden will make demel run and if he has any car on the road oval at Charlotte Motor speedway and you can see a live during fan Friday that's at five thirty eastern on NBC back for that tomorrow. Era Jones faces a must-win situation this weekend on the Robo. After his harvest disqualified at Richmond he fell forty five points time a hotline but Erica's face much tougher times in his career and it's pushed forward with the help of those who know him best. Lets me one of those in the latest behind the driver Eric Jones approach trying to get the southern five hundred win for his parents gave so much for him to have this opportunity. We all had to have people that kind of were huge influence in our life and help direct and make us you know who we are and get them on my parents number one for me out. My mom got me started racing and then me and my dad. Kinda took it to the next level would have been the things that that she contributed throughout your racing career well. She was first manager. I just say you know me and my dad the racing side of things and she was always the one that was pushing to try to to find sponsorship and get my name out there and we didn't really necessarily know how to do that. In our family and choose actually able to really give me my first couple connections awesome really good people in racing through calls knocking on random doors. She really paved the way for me to move up through the ranks and get connected with the right people to get into NASCAR is always been really competitive since he was a little kid and very much driven to do things the way he wanted to do them. When his dad came home and said Hey we're going to put them in a full size. Don't think so and and they did and obviously things go into place. The youngest winner have history of the NASCAR camping world truck service. Dad rented celebrated victory driving with a heavy heart today Eric Jones placing a decal with his father's name on the park. After Dave Jones lost his brief battle with with cancer on Tuesday Jones the relationship through the years and then obviously things changed with your aspect aspect but how's that continued to build you mode you as a person and as a driver touched. It's been a journey over the last few years of moving into the cup. Series in and growing is driver and as a person in my mom's been there through that whole transition tried to wean myself off from being in every race. It's hard because I missed the first win last year they on Eric Jones has one hundred start in the bond. Strategy Series is GonNa win a center yeah my family. Imam's here for this one. That's great. She's trying to keep things going and Michigan. She's got some chickens dogs all kinds of stuff up there so I don't get always sears much as I want to make a good effort. It's always special when we see these aren't by the behind the driver's series continues this week. We're going to see the people of Influence Bubble Wallace and William Byron but I I know you guys are watching that. It's always special to see for Jones. I know he's in a must-win situation this weekend to yeah. I mean history is pretty incredible. I remember when I came to KBM. I was racing car and here's this young shy kid comes in and then he hops in the truck and his incredibly we fast goes out wins at Phoenix. What did that come from this kid and then he just kept rising to the rank the way he did on a ferocious pace and it's been quite a ride for him and I know how much is families meant to him. How much he was so young and shy when he came down here so not they definitely had to sort of guide him along the way but in terms of this season and what I think it's a tall task. It's a win being a must win musician at the role. I just think that's a very tall task non-road racing background in that sense I think I think there's other cars I would put ahead of him in terms of the speed that they're going to bring that would be his biggest obstacle in terms of winning obviously there his mom needs to show up because that's the good that was a good luck charm in Darlington historic racetrack so but yeah I mean. Is it a tall tall task for sure sure it can't happen though because if you look at this racetrack and we saw last year on the restart anything can happen. Air Jones yeah he's not a road racer per se but he's got enough speed in them that especially the Jj our cars that he qualifies upfront is able to stay up front early in this race then as we've seen anything can happen happen and track position is going to be critical so he can get up front late in the race somehow and he was the finish was what thirty there but he was running inside inside the top ten for most of that ray so he's going to have the speed yeah you look at maybe a Kyle Busch Martin tricks junior out of Gr. They're probably more the favorites but you just can focus on. We don't have to worry about points. We just gotTA. Win The race some of these other guys they have to worry about it. They can just focus on going for the win because that's all that matters was that you just said but you sweet the boat. Poll the pull up. That's what production drivers this. Four drivers below the cut line if you think one of them. I'm just GONNA jump up ahead of it. Who Do you think it'll be right now. How does this wasn't. I think he can have say newish way. They get your vote in. WE'RE GONNA results later on in the show these to continue to argue we'll discuss the back of the rover was challenging enough last year but it may be even more difficult the second time around. Aj and Potter will explain why when absolutely now three laps from the Charlotte ruled tricks judy drive away after that restore. Jimmy really doesn't have to windass race he just as the finish to be able to get into the next round but he's going for the win. How surprised were you to see Jimmy. Make that move on Detroit's you. I was not surprised at all met and try to take the lead. I don't like we come up tecate corner and I knew I didn't get through to Jimmy. Be Johnson knew Jimmy was closed lift and I'm like okay. Just don't get on your right side so I kind of have weight gave Vince their jobs. Jimmy Johns breaks up block was crazy that he spun off behind me. No I wasn't surprised that happened though surprised spun back across the track down in that corner to large how how and honestly in that moment I seen it happening like I looked in my mirror seeing him in the grass coming towards the back of my car and I'm like if I go straight great year. I think you're GONNA take to win for me and I just tried to turn get some of that curve. That's when he clipped me so it's like this is crazy situation where it happened but I I wasn't surprised at the move or what he did. The never had talked to you guys each other out and win the race in any form of my recent not the best way to win race dateable sub-saharan advantage of the opportunity and those wild ones the bare thought about watching after that date tomorrow from Charlotte Starting With Cup series practice at noon. That's GonNa be Parker will also have a number of Nascar America including Fan Friday at five thirty thirty eastern Asia. You're on the track at one and again at three and then Parker at fourth can't go and then Jovan Joseph newborn is gonNA take indycar for a lap around the Robo. You'll see that as part of that Fan Friday coverage at five thirty earlier today the Burton's Jefferson Harrison when their own ride eh role model for a brand new driver never seen before check this track out. It's crazy this artist racetrack nomination st we need all looking straight nuts why eating they can't say only old the button right there goerner you check out the chain so elevated. That's black owner can't even scenery string right there uh-huh oh cameras and now to check out the break at the four way too early in your experience this is our body said to hell with the play also in this race controvery crazing rhyme lady demand aw thanks to Jeff and Harrison for taking us to the right studying a little bit when you get some tips. I'd never been on there either. I WANNA get the free ride around their race. I got a real code. Oh yeah I got a cruel right out front. I can come down there market Smith Charlet. Let me come down after the show. I'll just ask Dr Right on the head on over this would be like what Matt Been Dead. Or did last year his team in tests so we took you so I think Mustang took it out there on the track date. That's great okay so explain the fans at home what we just saw there in terms of the difference any talk about the downforce that Baxter's chicane in is what everyone's going to be talking about so you read last year but the big thing is. It's for slower now so this is a major breaking zone last year. It wasn't quite this abrupt you had it was a lot lot quicker more gradual. Now you come to a very you slow down far more. You're still going to get to about four hundred sixty eight hundred sixty five miles an hour before you break down into the chicane but then it's all the way down the second year through here and then it's about getting the power down. Aj on the exit portion this interesting because this is a very unique design yeah last year chicane was hold your breath as we see on the left side there it was every lab we saw some huge wrecks in practice between Eric Jones bubble wall always so it was a corner that like I mean every lap I literally would go down there and just take a breath and say a prayer and hope I got through the other side of it here. It does is lend itself in two thousand nine hundred nine now into the chicane another passing zone because you get to be heavy on the brakes. The four markers probably not going to happen is probably going to be there was a five marker worker's. Probably there so it's outbreaking zone. It's still going to be critical to get the power on the exit because if you spin the tires and the tires go away that's going to lend itself for a passing opportunities the last Corner Sova what Charlotte has done because we all talked about it. They did what they had to do. Last year to have the chicane there they really really worked on making it safer for all the drivers making a passing opportunities so it's going to be on to go out there and tried to mall carpet cleaned the track all form. We know how to get to break. We get on the radio and watch me go about. I can't help you man break but in one word how easy is still going to be that turn one entry. It's all on the starts. It's insane like starts and restarts which we saw. That's where trump drivers they got there. We asked you to take part in the poll question which is a four playoff drivers below the cut line will advance you think they will advance to the next round on Sunday if you haven't voted go to. NBC Sports Dot Com slash now car vote well now. You'll have a couple of minutes final results or next. The road will awaits after Sunday's wild card race for drivers will be eliminated from the playoffs. Don't let that intimidate you and setting your fantasy teen eighteen. Here's Dan beavers wrote. 'em world cheap for this weekend. His garage picks Denny Hamlin and Jimmy Johnson. It's too solid Hicks right but Dana's red flagging. Joey Logano finished finished twenty third in both road course races this season right ready for the full question. I don't know if I want to reveal picked. Hick around the spot earlier. You gave us nothing so I don't know where we locked this thing yeah. This is which driver below the cutline will make the next route. You guys have more Jones has just been completely dropped in the bottom of your after age as I say what should happen and I'm gonNA. Give my pets now. I'm going to put out there before we finalize this for. If all these four the one that just pick Alex Bowman he ran really well last year. He's very closely. It's true points. He absolutely Louis of these four. Has the best luck pretty much NASCAR. America does not agree with you park right or wrong wrong. They say that's his personality then. This is actual results. Goff results to see what happened and chance Baragan. You're wrong. We don't know if any of the four will make it but I like that. We throwing it out there mixing up. Do you guys have a pick for the race race winner. I mean so I was GonNa go out on a limb here and definitely not pick park mark. What are we gonna go to junior to sweep all three but you know what the first round sweep because just because for allowances in college college money. Jimmy needs the win for his daughter's. I'm going JJ. I'M GONNA say in the country's the fans win because this events awesome watch out proving efforts and in the experience literally anyone other aging think about picking yourself yeah pick myself had a response. I asked the guys in the truck to have boots. He's searching hat. Where's the weirdest. Aj's response to Parker. I don't like the candidate for our coverage. Get started at noon. We've cup series practice farther nation. We'll both be on the track tomorrow. 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10-24-19 NASCAR America Motormouths

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10-24-19 NASCAR America Motormouths

"And now that should be a fun topic we're GONNA get behind the scenes on all that here's how the playoffs red shapes up heading into around eight Kyle Busch just eighteen points and it lends itself there because you're tight quarters you can't hide you can't run away from somebody in even if you're having a bad day they'll catch you then up for grabs this weekend can't wait for Martinsville on Sunday welcome to a special Thursday edition of motormouth two guys who Martinsville's a home track and then there's a jail meager you guys to lot happening on the campus this weekend and we'll talk Martinsville payback a few of those including all the ones you're seeing back on to make it to Miami shot to win the championship so David Best Martinsville payback you ever had to officiate and that she ever saw I think one of the things time that you've really kind of kept it saying you know I'm going to save it for this time and David use you've seen a few times it happened I've seen it in in this round chime in on that she knows pay time Dylan joins us here on the show to discuss our CR's fiftieth anniversary it's a home race above that cop line but Ryan Rainy Kyle Larson all those guys on the bottom of the grid have holes to dig out of and have to work their way open from Miami I think you saw the end and I and I think element that by what happened later later in turning the lights on ramp in the pre show show so yeah so now I know Org APPs and fun hey is it me or has this fall playoff I'm trying to get a lot of fun so is it easier just to say I'm sorry I didn't mean to do that at Martinsville than somewhere else aj there's certain there's certain tracks for sure then let them know that you're still out there and you hadn't forgot what happened a couple of weeks backer I love hate has built up throughout the year so now's your time to repay back right in that you will that you line up on your list like I could definitely pay somebody back there and this Martinsville fall race which has so much on the line that is race at Martinsville really changed things with so much on the line with an automatic ticket did you notice the intensity pick up starting in two thousand fifteen when that ticket became the ticket windows so how his home track the race track now I know I know I love your what's up Marty Schneider Aj allman Inger happened to have our very special guest here excitement of getting race Martinsville but I was nervous because you just knew at all times during the race you're going to be around a race car in Kansas that I have a great deal respect had got past the point of no return that I'm I'm retaliate and he goes in and this car race director formerly in the Tower Mr David who are you doing Dave I'm doing great and I'm like Aj I'm looking forward to going to Martin racist it's got to be a lot of fun you've laughed a lot and Sunglass I was like hey we need we need we need to throw the caution and just throw the Checker we can't see the funny thing was Jeff Gordon is final year trying to raise to make it a homestead uh it was intense it's not physically demanding but mentally it just wears you out you know you can do everything perfect for four hundred ninety nine laps and then you get that last restarted that someone Aj over Morton's race well five hundred laps there's a hundred thousand times there's two separate corner that lasts corner and you can get it all taken away in one split second so just new for a tough long day at Martinsville somebody can happen in something in front of touch the curve I remember laughing at myself thinking it could be so dark you can't even see inside the race call hoots will not thrive the check until the twenty four brake rotors it all the battle four o'clock in the first ticket to Miami and it was very dark and it's a challenging schedule because you race a bunch of extra races and it got started giving very dark and you could look down into turn three and the old well this weekend let's get to your calls eight four four NASCAR NBC. We'll start with frank in New Jersey how you doing frank I'm doing good what about you guys the intensity more it's kind of an optic but it really looked like they're racing a lot harder under the lights remind you they'll Saturday night short-track they're in there so yeah I mean it's a it's a race said I felt like I was pretty good at Martinsville I had good success there and really enjoyed it but I always woke up on race day with title payback. You want you want to sit there and figure was it intentional or not and you could tell back when when a very low key driver who's intense it's Laguna we made it was no question about what his intention his he said he got into deep there you sure his intention was that bright you told us a story of why you can't throw checkered flag well we were up with New Hampshire one year racing truck race slightly dark during that race and I'm not really sure why we did he call the race with like fifty to go we couldn't see and interesting were you you were leading at the time right we're doing great man what's on your mind today oh well when the guy asked me what my question was kind of choked up 'cause I didn't expect to actually get picked difficult is it going to be for those guys to like keep their tempers in check and not ruin their CIA like their their points thing right point yeah aw Unocal Orange Ball illuminate lit up so we were we were using that while we were told the next day to meet and by Mr Hilton did he was the only one that was authorized right now now you're you're you're good frank and I get the same way around David who'd so it's all right man so it's GonNa be like how does they are going to fight tooth and nail because they want to win races and they know that those guys have more to lose that are still in the playoffs agree with the other thing that just because I have a lot more to lose than Brad Keselowski Clint Boyer etc so they have to be a little bit more careful around them I will say if it's a battle for fifth or six when you don't want to be the driver that wreck somebody's chance at winning the championship but at the same token they have those drivers that are still in the championship hunt your shot to do it for the end of the year time for today starting grid around starts Sunday for the Cup series so which driver is feeling the most pressure of eliminated themselves from the championship they're still racing for the final results at the end of the year they've got just as much to earn they can they can end up finishing fifth for the season lighter near because it still a fifth of the field is in the playoffs the other four fifths racing winds and trying to improve what they're doing with their team the job on how they managed it but that has been a topic this year how the playoff drivers have racing non-playoff drivers and then maybe a little bit more of a topic this year than in the past in their own gold so it's not quite at that point yet but they're also they're all professionals they understand the situation they're all in and for the most part they did a place at the end of the race maybe they're a little easier on the guys at their race in just say hey what they need those positions more than I do but if it's a chance to go win the race I don't care so and you were yelling him even though you couldn't talk to them I think it's time to throw the TV make anything right. It has recently been eliminated money to be raised against current playoff drivers and like since I'm looking at the so it worked out Okay Jeff Gordon one so I became I became a fan at that point to see Jeff Gordon winning and make it to a home state it was pretty cool all right there you go that's the intensity we expect it Martin a quick trip put the twentieth we'll see Mitch Okay well that was a pretty easy one then that might have been a hard one I thought no no it it's some of them will borderline some people I don't think anybody in race control head you need out of what was going on that one never questioned that okay so it was it was at that point win it wasn't David Kelton yeah and higher I'm scared of Mike Allen and to all who isn't scared to Michael Right the and if you think about it Brad Kasey not only one the spring race he was dominant and he let four hundred plus lab and the way it comes down to is for those drivers because I've been in the same position and bounce up the Union ruin your day I wanna go back to all this racist changed since the automatic ticket was up for grabs where you and the two Thousand Fifteen Race Jeff Gordon I might have been it was oh and then he was back out and then got back on the last lap so I feel like when stuff like that happens as a race team you start to believe it's meant to be these are happening for a reason Martinsville to me might be as best opportunity to win the race and automatically put himself into homes that otherwise Texas I can be fast Phoenix he's been like decisions on whether it was light enough to continue to go curious you shouldn't be mad at David because you got past with twenty laps to go which is not the goal they started out with and other things they won't win they definitely WanNa win and in most cases they'll win at all costs is this where you start in the drive ah bumbling but I'm really free on how somebody like Brian his last skier like Clint Boyer. We're here from Jack Jack what's on your mind today well I'm a huge Elliott Fan and I've been let go all the way to around you know the of what was going on that you heard the fans and how they were cheering with him and Hamlin well yeah I mean all of the into over the race card there's so many ups and downs so far play we're looking at the role there where he had a dominant car he himself through that race away and then went out and saved it still by going to win okay so we saw last week Kansas he was out the whole race you was not gonNa make it then with about four laps to go he was going to be in and then the caution there's meaning saying to everyone reminding them there are there are eight racing for a championship here is this about the time of the year we start reminding the drivers every week we would start getting if we can and then this preceding at the role come back he knows that he can charge forty up they're going to be interesting to watch chase Elliott for the rest of the we'll go back to the store that two thousand fifteen the Lugano when they wreck like the place exploded I was like okay what just happened so you chase Elliott almost the Dale Jr. now right like chase Elliott takes the lead you hear any rub and then when something happens car like you can hear it so who are some of the greats that you remember racing remember Richard Petty started history here I'll remember when Dale Scott coming in who finance some things but I don't think anybody in Martinsville que they had any doubt what had happened many times in five hundred laps you get mad it's now blaming is eighth so like yeah so I I I'm like Oh star if you've ever been here on a full moon and just see the elements good can come out you would understand why I that is awesome going across the football field to get after you that's that's cool that's pill has been one of the better cars over the last couple years at Martinsville yeah and I really feel like when you go through what that nineteen and chase Elliott himself had went through number Bobby Allison hers turn something occurred during the race courage spun bobby out well bobby was never one to back down house will come up it's one of the most famous short tracks and racing and one that our guest David Hoots knows very well wedding to the madhouse when we come back on Motorman hey but there's drivers I'm going to pick over Marville could be his weekend you were talking about the day that he has a lot of fans of mournful racing last year allegiance actually racing each other here every week you know that had their frustration level has to be exceptionally on I think that's what adds to the excitement the same token the you see teams get momentum like that and then carry it for quite a while in the playoffs and this is a good time to be hidden at strive he it had to be a confidence booster just to make the playoffs actors over lot so they have a history of the two of the top drivers right now they're win totals or somewhere in the eighties nineties they braced that loan I think Bert Myers just recently won his Eleventh Tenth Eleventh Championship Brown his his competitors ten championship you'll have these fans that are absolutely passionate to watch these cars go around and let's face it you and I both know racing fans in some greatest stand rex wife and that beautiful gold and white are the red number four near Jordan here there's a list that you looked at the hall of fame area we did a few weeks ago you can still catch it on our NBC Sports Youtube Channel is thought that if you can make it there you've made it at the toughest short-track in the US anybody I think that's why he's one of the great chief still today still today well the second time he spun him out bobby felt like he needed to remind watch these two big grand national cars who recalls the football field trying to wreck each other while the race is going I think what's great about that is that we saw and I feel that with the attitude that he's got this year is going to take what do you guys think I think certainly a Jay Leno your thoughts this is a great weekend for them and so very short season so the intensity is ramped up there's long time robberies there it doesn't necessarily turn the computer because when I came from indycar racing I'd never really been to true short-track I it's not what I grew up doing in my first year moving here I went to Beaumont L. When Dale Juniors to take lead you could hear it and it's getting like that with chase Elliott now JCL it's the new Dell Junior I it's interesting though good point you bring up David sometimes small in the groove that's one grew there's only one place you wanna be and everybody fights or that group and people get very very freshman acing but just the level of anger that's that place there's a fight every week it's a fight every week but there's a lot of intensity happens today still happens today just a different version of a car but it's a repeated story came across a football field each other across the foot and why it took so whether it's so quick to throw the flag the yellow flag on Ryan Newman when he cracked he was out there before the rice was over there crossing the football field try and Ram beach up this is nineteen sixty six now it would be priceless the first stage when Byron was leading the race okay so walk us through the caution a little bowman gray and let's go back to the phone lines now we'll get a gym in New York Jim how're you doing today I'm doing good yeah much you got the third and fourth generation are sitting there every Saturday night that's their passion of it which which again racing fans on the most passionate fans in the world okay and I was like what is this this is in Santa K. automatic yeah exactly but this is awesome like I love this place so else from Martinsville the racing very similar right the tightness of the racetrack and it's carried over that most of the drivers racing Sunday have gone through a short track all that happened here last few off of this same thing happened and I think that's what this racetrack off dry so it's at the end when that created the second overtime the mechanics of a caution are dependent on the information that Senate race control and what I mean by that is I would say that it's one of the toughest there's there's there's some in each region it is not a technical race track is just a it's I love seeing the racist their videos that go with it because it's true passion and a little bit of craziness next just fifty turnover it's the same passed a character out there racing ever Tom to build up the hate right so the featured that we sell the drivers in dreams document in some point so they go tomorrow tight turns long straightaways a lot of intense teen in tight races going into the turns just as a fan visually looking at it so he's waiting for the information that he takes the information he has to trust his spotters and he makes his decision based off there so he may have not even looking at the other end of the race track but there's a team of people in race control and doing the same thing good point so you're fine with US quick as caution came out in the first overtime it Kansas with how you've been shipping I even think this is a I mean he's put out there on the racetrack does like let me read you know the road and then came back to one but there's also some checks and balances into it that you have to do a certain sequence in any triggers right it's very quick AJ still wants a button for the at at the accident but remember your field of us about half that racetrack and people see stuff on TV that cameras trained on that car will race record it's a one way communication until it gets frayed then you can call in that information and then you react from the person that's making the call race director may not be water has to call in terms of a breathe of hit or whatever and then you have to assess will if the radio is tied up a small race track and the short race adds to the excitement level you want get you a street stock and you can get in the race next year that'd be how like something Yeah Glock wouldn't I'll tell you exactly let's go to Martin in Kentucky Martin how are you on my you know all the videos and social media to get to some bodyguards around me to bring security yeah it was funny our turn to the wall he's depressing the button and it starts the mechanics mechanical process of what's triggering everything the lights caution flag the computer so the race director really seen the contact with the wall he's getting the information and reacting to it so there's there's a tan variation there that's going to be there it doesn't matter how you unless you're rooting the the genie handling made it through I don't understand that I've never heard Dale Earnhardt or some older driver in the past I anything friend Denny is talked about that a couple of times this year at Loudon he could've went out there and and who is he battling RV went up there and moved them out of the way and I said you know what that wasn't the right time I might I made a deposit now let's be honest in the last round before homestead deposits don't really mean anything and has that button right right at his access he can touch it right away touch it right away there's a backup system to that so yes it's supposed to be instantaneous as quick as he can quickly it came out to create the second overtime I don't have any problem because again the the the person it which is the race director been looking straight at it and when he sees the dogs that and also if you think do you think of Guinea is behind chase on the last turn do you think you'll do the same thing made it through so much love there he feel like or maybe politics going on Danny did let in the middle of the race let Jimmy Johnson go and he talked about how making sure I'm making Mike Procedure he's saying early in the race there were some there were some guys who may contact with Wall there wasn't a caution thrown late in the race there was a very quick caution throwing there the withdraw to try to hit each other that's awesome met at the fifty yard line so what is it about we heard you and jeff talk about it there for a moment that creates a great dominating in this place is known as a man our do you go in a fan okay stands awesome sit with France and that's another beautiful part of it is that there's families could flag at Martinsville when it's dark yes yeah it's only a button somebody at night at ut button belly button right don't take a mini clock he did before and spinning it don't seem a lot she would to me the way he's acting towards tastes now since the most popular driver and I'd like say things that have come through Bowman Gray stadium it's like the WHO's who of mass all hall of fame racing the final mark ooh delete no debris okay you're talking Kansas the end of the rights beginning range I I'm doing good how are you good what's going on today hey after the race of the day or during the Hamlin Toda Rutledge Wood but he was happy tiger man you're the low cost Java brother keep up the good work I can't obviously means when Denny said he was he was glad chase backstories to it maybe he feared Brad Keselowski more in the playoffs we don't know that there's reasons drivers want certain guys in and they don't want the next guys org withdrawal would be disappointed if he did but the thing is when it comes to him saying I'm happy chase made it in there might be several the homestead the intensity ratchet is toward the race track is at in the order of the playoffs. Yeah right exactly you're not looking at apples to oranges this week this is the first round it's not the last round yeah right first race of the round of eight so that leads us to wonder which drivers under the most pressure and around eight what do you think David I think cow Bush's even though he yeah he has the ability to come back and double down on the payback is that the example Aj that it's always worth at Martinsville to move some someone ledin interest I don't I haven't seen the performance there I haven't seen the tenacity he usually shows to take an we all would like to reduce something mark may maybe going down that path but page as point the nudging enough last finish of this race at Martinsville pretty good feeling the pressure maybe try and move like this on Sunday we'll talk about who has the most pressure on in the is played out they had bad races and you know in the time being you think I know what Martin was thinking Hey I don't want to rough him up but he just didn't do that and unfortunately led joe to go so I think every driver especially the these drivers will say it's game on we do whatever it takes to get if he would have made it to this round indeed he's been very good at Martinsville over the year yeah we may not seem smart as drivers sometimes but we're very calculated maybe not on the Martin tricks junior on the on location podcasts that was from earlier this summer that's where you can check it out download that conversation and a terrific point I mean when you think about it yup I gave him I I left the window of opportunity name on that last point is I I was wasn't far enough ahead with three or four to go I see he's right if not given Lugano then opportunity he would have won the championship last year yeah without that win joy Lugano doesn't make it to homestead because the way the next two didn't get during the race because that's that's my thinking hey I'm going to race them clean because if you do give them the shove with five to go and you don't get up in the gray bound eight next what's the one that got away the one you would I mean he barely made it in that was really because of his teammate had such a horrible ron so looking at the speed that they've had I feel like away and that's why we've seen it in this advanced to Miami format is it worth it to go first shot to win the championship to do that someone who came here for sure but in-car get it up there could be completely wrong but the last couple weekends it just doesn't look like he's brought his top aide game like you normally Joe is going to turn right back down as drivers we think it's free will he just muscle the way I could go send them the next corner because now it's tit for tat it's even so maybe from US WE WANNA put pressure on them I think they just got so much confidence it doesn't matter all right let's go to the phones and get your thoughts on who you think is the driver they're probably looking at Martinsville is the best chance to win you look at ease plus two but who's right behind him Kevin Harvick Kevin Harvick just been solid yeah they haven't won lately but they've been solid the top three at every stage and at the end of the race to build up those points and they haven't had back to back top fives meaning the twenty two team since the middle of April which is crazy to think about it one of the best race tracks he's the one to be for the championship that's got to add some pressure to eleven team don't you think aj I would think so but they're so confident right now horrible like they just had bad luck whether self-induced or if it was just bad luck went to Kansas that okay speed but it wasn't anything that stood out and then by the end of the race we saw what happened you know I think you can make a case certainly for Kyle Larson Ryan Blaney who are on the bottom maybe must-win scenarios but I would say Denny Hamlin I mean everyone is saying right now going in I feel like those that confidence just takes over like yeah there's no pressure on us because we know what we're capable of doing and we're going to do it at one of our best racetracks and let him get back to me with five ago because it just gives them free will send me in hindsight like you said he'd let him get close to him in the last corner and that's what happened Oh do they pass Kyle Busch when it comes to championship favorites they may not look at it that way they may in their heads feel like their championship favorites that's what's great about Joe Gibbs racing challenging is each driver's going to push they got three drivers that ultimately can win this championship they all might be at homestead so it's more what they feel inside label nudge Yep drew on that we'd want championship the two in a row that was the biggest thing I've ever made do over again if you could I would say Martin last year and that was on me I should have just twenty to the way with five ago drove away so much faster at that point about the driver under the most pressure in the round of eight here I really think it's joy Llegado and team penske because if you look at their around too I mean it was the race that I didn't I didn't engage in that a whole lot I've had some people question my heritage and stuff but okay uh-huh in terms of like being the leader and the championship favourite or what do you mean yeah and and and being the leader the championship what does he does he have to win again he can't move basketball Bush he's GonNa catch points wise but you know well it's we ask or Gino's asking how got chase Elliott that's really strong it at Martinsville so to me this is a race that they would love to go win like last year locked themselves in and if not make sure they run inside gene could have never go and I'll get to the point we were talking about earlier Brad Keselowski dominated the last race so that might have been an automatic ticket for him to go to Miami Yeah well I'm sure your your man on I go Gino's gone so attract some times but everything that happens for a reason so you're all on tabulating it out smart yeah write that down we're not smart well he's already if he would win this weekend he would automatically be in at Miami Not GonNa Pass Kyle Busch in terms of points I don't think Jank get there but and Gino going on listen I own a piece out eleven car so you win what else does he have to do to get by Kyle Busch automatically be advanced to Miami I learned how genomes a piece of the eleven car Kinda ask that detail I'm employees Fedex so what I've been such a fan such a long time I'll never forget seeing the talking to five Robertson in Daytona A hundred years ago I guess it was does pressure here in the round of eight starting at Martinsville this weekend and we're going to Gino in Connecticut that right guys we're going to Gino believe yeah guys Brian Likes it that way I think I think they like flying below the radar for the wealthy it's part of the Blaney family and you look back his grandfather was a great racer enough yeah I'm I'm low key and it's hard to present a persona if you're not if you're in that kind of mindset they're definitely more outspoken plus they have won championships they'd been in the sport a lot longer you know what Ryan is doing quietly is what this playoffs are all and when you get to homestead nothing count but you're finished their points out the door it's all four against each for which is the best way to best way to have it right and you guys ever and and and I and I feel like that he just you know they don't mention it much I mean he's there he's probably one of the best drivers out there I mean he can get it done if he's got there's certain people that love it that way and you're you're spot on yeah the Blaney family they're they're all like that and this year by the way David like team orders you guys listen for that there was a group would be listening I had enough to do during the during the course of the I never went down to the head with your heritage that was just over here from Tom. How're you doing today Tom part of that and talk about a big celebration weekend for Richard childress racing started with twenty I think we picked up some comments from AJ here he confessed to a few months ago about less ability to see I I didn't I never on our crm history as well one of them joins us now tied Dylan via facetime what's happening tie not much just here getting ready hanging about it's not flashy but he's doing enough won at Talladega to get himself to the next round Republican have to win again but it's to your point no I don't think so I think Joey Joey probably I mean if you look at the points and having been there done that but change that by going race and he's camping shipping over one hundred wins in NASCAR's Premier Division and both of Richards's grandsons have certainly played a role I don't think Ryan Blaney gets the respect that he deserves from the amount searching for everybody I just you know I'm not really that great a fan of his but I am a fan there they can all drive race cars any type of them with Kozlovsky out or they eighteen penske's best hope to win the championship right now the twelve team they vaulted above the twenty two team itself so we always like to spend some time on that day and it's no everybody ties speaking of the history I mean you you've been around all right guys thank you for taking my call alone Passer Nascar Fan and first time caller you guys what I you know I get twelve thirty but my wife is going to have her candles on his plate so we're kind of preparing for that and she's really creative so we're GONNA be selling some of those as well what tell us about that so it's a big weekend at our CR right it all starts tomorrow with family day tell us about what's going on this weekend celebrating the Fiftieth Anniversary yes says the wild child and probably knowing all the hardworking people and not knowing any better now where it's a place that means so much dollars and one man's dream now fifty years later Richard childress racing sits among Nascar's all time great organizations are CR's plane six a lot of it is there a memory that really stands out whether it's you having to do with it or just something that you've seen as you've grown up yeah you know I think in my whole life at at that complex I have had so many memories whether it was riding four wheelers dirt bikes around the con- The you know the complex Friday we're going to have a fan day slash family day for all the families that are large main racing and you know for me my Ra shop and Germain racing down the hill yeah we're really pumped for the upcoming Fan Day at our CR actually a big part of it for for me is my wife and I I'm going to be signing autographs down at Germain racing did you grandfather ever take you around and show you how are CR was built from the ground up in a long time Winston resident I could see the movement yeah absolutely I remember I have a lot of memories when it was just the main shop which is now the the museum where you know it was just the three team that was racing out of that building and when I have her Her candle business set of like I said so it's a fun day it's a great day to kind of give back to we have so many loyal fans who are cr and Germain racing and the car you know and and I was just wondering why he didn't really get seem to get the respect and I think he deserves Tom we appreciate the phone call and I would I would argue no and anybody who comes by can combine to our shop CR thirteen gyco Camaro and see all the cars that that have been in action this year also my wife as a little kid just playing around in that building and I remember the day that the big shop got opened up that was a huge moment for our family almost every shop that is there now on the complex ear and my family's career who've never seen such a I guess intimate part of our operation you know behind the scenes of what we do just me and the people that have helped my career go so long so it's a major part of my life and it's cool when we get to bring some of the fan that have followed the journey of my career done that once in the playoffs so he can make an happen again we'll come up so many amazing moments in the fifth year history of our CR next we'll chat what ty dillon life and it was on early Josie just won the Indianapolis five hundred a year but the question I had next to him he turned to him and handed him my book Autograph Book and I was looking on in horror I had no idea who the guy was he said I was a kid you want his autograph the epicenter of our CR yeah it definitely helped us in in a Lotta ways I think just being closer we're not taking an extra day or an extra day and a half transfer information we can literally go a two minute walk up the hill and get information right away I think the way things used to work it was it was a drive for about three the I remember getting opened up and it's grown as as I have grown in my life and what's kind of funny is a lot of the ground that got broken with kind of my dad's doing back to him as a kid eighteen years old headline autograph book and to Him and he asked him to give me an autograph and he did and he told

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Ep. 95 | Austin Dillon (RWP)

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Ep. 95 | Austin Dillon (RWP)

"Everyone welcome to episode ninety five of the racing writers podcast I I'm your host Tele Crandall and we are brought to you by Lionel racing if you're a die cast fan like may be sure to check out our partner Lionel racing dot com all the latest NASCAR die cast cars and trucks tricycle race for a little bit of money five hundred dollar tricycle race I know some of my buddies are entering it here shop no Luke Lambert told me he fared out a what Austin and his team for setting this up I think it's a really engaging conversation so here's Austin Dillon on the Racing Writers podcasts Barn or the small garage two car garage with some race cars out back then you come to a complex like one of these and you walk in and you can Moaner legend Hall of Famer and Champion Richard Childress of course Dad Mike Dillon also works at the company but Austin has an interesting perspective on that so I'm GonNa let ear unfortunately and reputation also we're GonNa talk about how much he puts on his shoulders when it comes to the overall successes and struggles at Richard childress racing again him take that away later on the podcast and of course share his thoughts on how he views that and what people think of him because again it's a large portion of Austin's career recorded this last week before fan day leading into Martinsville speedway so it brought up some memories of and stories for Austin to share and then there's also something fun in there so Austin was great to address all of that and there's also some fun stuff along the way including some memories of things on the Richard childress racing campus because we `bout the silver spoon and what his team did at Martinsville which all we back at the end to talk more about so before we get too long winded here thanks for joining us and let's get to it again appreciate this year so a portion of this podcast is going to be Austin addressing his critics addressing such things as him having a ride because of whose grandfather is and ask our team author and I mentioned that because today's episode is going to address that of course awesome here's those comments and there's also been some of his fellow competitors have thrown out silver spoon comments along the way even the first time for the first time goers I guess fans I feel like some of them think you know especially people that don't know NASCAR race shop like okay they think of a ended his family company so I'm curious how much does he worry about the overall health of our CR and not just what's going on with his three team is he involved in day to day activities off the floor and guys are steadily moving from side to side making these cars come to life it's it's a really cool experience for the first time the show thanks for clicking on us once again or if you're new welcome hope you enjoy and check out the archives today's guest is Austin Dillon driver of the number three Richard childress racing Chevrolet you're gone she's fine setting up she came right over and was like sniffing the microphone so Zim business were the conversations like with his grandfather went sometimes things have to get tough there has to be issues addressed do they fight do they argue no what is that I know when Austin's name is mentioned you're probably going to have one of two reactions either you don't mind or you probably think well it's that kid who has arrived because it was granted data to make the tries to go faster so we'll have to watch that couple autograph sessions and then people just get to kind of go through our shop you know when you go to ray shop turn to the left running there and go see her once I got dropped off from school and she did payroll and Meanti we'd run up and down these halls of the original on and letting people go through the museum always fun we put on put on good pit crew competition down in shop heard tomorrow there is a ratio over there and to keep us busy she would hand us payroll those big stubs that they used to use and stamps and stamp them and I have created here I remember we're having dinner that night and we talked about this I mean Ziam slash shop here walking in as a kid and in buildings different things going on plus museum and I love the fact that as you're talking about that it sounds like everything is still a competition even oh yeah we have competitions around here totally different now it's opened up because you can shop right there as you walk in but they used to be hallways on both sides and I knew my mom worked on the hallways in the left shied turn in Oh yeah maybe she'll be she'll be a good quote something fun Fan Day's coming tomorrow this will is over but I know that's always a cool thing race teams get to do what do you got made the comment so Jackie as we came up here I I love the fact that this is a true genuine campus over here at our many ratings may say that but you guys have what I think it was seventeen really should be are cr competition or something like that when you cross the railroad tracks here like you said Israeli special you know it's remarkable see what my grandfather and the employees of ours ratio right so that's pretty much dale shop that's where all details cars and the number three cars were built when everything happened they turned that into museum in one of my Grandpa you can think of when you were younger for sure it sounds like if I was to keep asking you could come up with just the story of well in this room and I did this yeah Oh yeah there's put us to work but it was fun always coming over here to the the first museum which is the first building you see at our CR when you cross tracks was the original ray shopper they made me we'd eat Assad of a hill now is full monkey grass and are at that age I didn't know anything really just he's like that is cool because I remember when you had certain cars back there when I was coming up in the NASCAR east series I used to steel tungsten out of the lead rails 'cause is get to do up here at our CR and maybe some of the things you like to do with the fans we've had a couple of days have been a part of and done a lot of different activities had had them here most of the ahead so I did tell my dad I think you're a little bit of a disadvantage when you're racing his Harvard 'cause Todd Bayer had a big seventy pound chunk of tungsten and pulled the lead Braille cap off and start pulling lead and whatever was out of there and that's notice that Kevin Harvick's car had all the tungsten and my dad car had all there's a huge piece I mean we had to cut into we couldn't fit the whole thing and in our leadville so is it one of those things Austin where you can probably walk around any part of this campus and there's some memory I wanted to keep all the original three cards he could in there so they're pretty much just like they were after del pass those cars sitting in there it's it's remarkable to see him there bias and he tungsten for our team and my dad said man you oughta go check some of those cars and museum see if you can't get a piece so took a jack up there and lifted up one of the cars right right I believe if you walk through there the way that they did the museum which is amazing for anybody who hasn't been there you can they still have it labeled of what used to be what part of the of his trophies and statues whatnot he received and it's kind of it's like glass walled off in there I need to go walk through it again that is one thing about having you chop down it's still not real pretty and Kinda was uneven at places but it was down and still this day that hill has never been weeded harvick's left front door liberal that he won a championship with I think we stole that one out of there and chopped it up and used it in my car for the rest of the year in the series there's also like he does today in his his office at the new shop so always cool to see the statues in there he's got some really cool things actually still in that office office used to be does that memories assuming you played in their in their wanted their his his office had back entrance so he could get out of there quick as needed I guess if he didn't want to have a meeting that day so he had a back injury I remember always get dropped off on that back entrance some going through his office and running in there and he has he had animals access to museum is walking behind the the gates it kind of the night in the museum was that movie they have night at the museum or something night at the Smithsonian again I'm sure I could ask a million questions about just this campus in general and the stories would be amazing but it seems Kinda crazy to me this is your six year already in the Cup series what a journey it's been hard hey maybe you're just looking to get to the winner hit the reset button and try again next year what are these last few races like as a driver who you're just trying to close it out strong and and just ready I didn't ever get him a lawn mower just was when Charles Weed eater and I think my grandfather especially assign that to me that summer my boss was lane Wilkes at the time and Oh and do what they say and I we needed that thing for literally a day and a half got it done and it was weeded didn't look really good 'cause monkey grass I mean so hopefully we get six more years and hopefully sixty more of those rings we need a lot more I want the I got a lot of desire to win races here for this company and then that comes and goes and now we're in this stretch where all the attentions on the championship is it hard as a driver to like mentally keep yourself going when you're in racer out a main behind the museum there used to be our maintenance guys worked and I had a summer where I worked Weeden out here just doing whatever offs a couple of years and some exciting polls you know but those don't pay like the winds do so we've whereas working hard to to progress feel like a lot of fire left Ns cutler could go hit the race track today just be a little off on the down four side of things that museum really a spectacular I think there is a replica of what your grandfather all three NASCAR I don't WanNa talk too much about this season I know it's been a little bit of a different disappointment obviously but as a driver you go through a season you work so hard to make the playoffs again. I never understood why was sent to do that but now I do because you didn't have to do that I think there was playing a joke on give me a little work let's talk some racing and drivers we we enjoy the fun part of the sport so it is one of those things where you just want another race you want another shot at another chance to go to coming to an end and it's your last three and you just want to end on a solid note and for some reason every time but this time of year you get another like second wind for recent yeah you know I enjoy the last couple of races your competitive juices are always flowing and I think the thing I do enjoy about the last couple is you know that the seasons already on the highlight reel in just six years we've put some tape together I guess for for people to enjoy and over time yeah it's all about the winds when it comes down to we made the you could say that you're like man is it all season long from like after the first ten races from ten to about twenty five you're like man create memories we've had some pretty solid ones over the years but another day we pulled out our rings the Daytona five hundred and the coke six hundred man I need more of these need to win more wholesome better finishes for us you mentioned fun it seems like Your Group of guys in general this is a fun team it seems like you enjoy your group of guys I mean six years at that feels like it's flown by it has you know it's it's pretty cool to have been a part of NASCAR for this long already on just WanNa Creek key I think you're just saying that but that's a real thing sometimes you really do want to keep going what it really is a driver I think most of the teams and guys as far as that they probably need that break as much as anyone and want to go out there and try and win that third championship that's my main goal is to do that and that's what that's when I got in the Cup series that was my goal is still is today is to be the first win funny because you say you know six years you've had so many ups and diming there's been positives like the coq six hundred and the Daytona five hundred years in the crash at Daytona I mean there's been so many things uh-huh Danny Stockman of course has been a big part of this team this year I know you're really pumped up when he came over here has his influence Ben as expected this year just overall with the team it's everybody now knows Paul from V show but in general like if somebody was to follow you on social media you're posting a Lotta pictures with your guys with your friends is it as fun your group Intro also erects we had a lot of wrecks in the mid point of the season where we get finished thirtieth because we get tore up in Iraq or just some things that are out our hand we wish we could have back and kind of we're both were pretty disappointed in the success that we wanted to have and had some things get out of control as far as just blown tires and certain little things out there that were out of our but we love this is why we do it we love to race and loved to be at the track and it's our lifestyle so even though the off season is needed you still think what are we just went on guys this three team as it looks everybody gets along it's a great atmosphere we really have a good time here I mean when you're an election North Carolina you know there's not a whole lot of kicking during the the week another week 'cause it's it's what we do so that is a real thing when some drivers they tell us as we get closer to the end of the year I could keep racing and I think we all kind of look at them like okay this is getting taxing on your body and his long year and then you get down to the annual way I need like ten more and the off seasons fawn you and he working together has that been as good and positive as you had hoped and figured it would be you guide reuniting we had some really good highlights this year is usually went off focused on the driving part and doing my job but I really enjoy the people at our see I really enjoy the employees and I enjoy trying to make one of the things that I wanted to dig into is your overall involvement with our CR of course family atmosphere my grandfather over the years still need to learn a lot more if I was ever thrown into that role it's crazy the amount that he still has on his plate at his age and the bill in a heartbeat because I love employs we have here truly do and I feel like I can bring a lot to the table from the side of the ownership I've learned a lot week but we love our campus here at RC are we we enjoy getting together each other's events that we have a couple of parties throughout the year and and we just stay tight GRANDPA daddy works here how involved are you Austin on a week to week basis on a day to day basis or use just focused on being an RC our driver ride out enjoyed it and needed a place to stay I let them move into my barn same with my Gasman Tyler raiders a lot of people know him and follow him he's actually into the military right now he after we won the the reset on this whole season but either way Danny and is relationship is one of those relationships that I'll carry on forever and it's been fun this year and hopefully the future Kasan driving and when I feel that driving isn't helping this company anymore my abilities behind the wheel aren't where they need to be as far as that comes off I'll switch switch hats ready to keep on going and pushing my dad's learned a lot from him also so I've enjoyed that part and I still do enjoy it but I know at this point I needed ask of all league down here now and that's a lot of fun and it's a good way to show other people that want to come to our CR that we have fun here and try and recruit them and bring them in at this point in your career well it's really tough for me as far as that goes because some days you want to play the just go drive it hard and some days you feel like you can help and help with the decision making on the people side of it and I've done a little bit of all of that and I think the best for me you mentioned the employees do you know a lot of the folks who are under the are CR banner not just race team wise yeah you know this whole complex is full of different people you just overall needing to get down to business not just maybe your race team in general but if you guys are talking about the direction of our CR the season are they hunting activity your competition that we put on and do and really get them involved what are the conversations between you dad and Richard when it comes we're even on the off weekends that we have we're usually together Drill Paul my guys in my pit crew were really close and we're competitive people we always push each other we ever brutally honest conversations are you all able to do that and put the family aspect aside and do what's best for business and maybe not fight are able to have those open brutal conversations at this place a better a better place when I feel that my job is a person would be better useful as helping run this company overdriving I'll flip hats oh from different buildings in that all help this whole system work and I've been fortunate to meet in no a lot of them since I was a baby and states other countries we've had guys from other countries come over here and work and I really try to include them in that family atmosphere that we have and and let them come to the barn come to any kind of this is what's going on this is what we need to do aren't we doing this what is that relationship like when you're kind of getting down to business well it's definitely hard balanced but you're right we do any time and any of the people that we bring in if it's a new engineer or anyone I try and create a relationship with them and make them feel at home and lot of those guys are still here and then we bring in New People all the time and I try to create a relationship with them get them on the feet you know you talked about Paul earlier when he first came into our CR he was at wake forest five hundred had our year last year he decided he wanted to go in the military and twenty nine years old come try and become special forces so both those guys let me at one point feel with the company overall not just worrying about the three teams performance but how much do you feel when it comes to what the eight is because you know I've been blessed had a great family behind me the whole time and and no it'd be hard to put yourself in uncomfortable situation because we we bring in people from all over the united what's going on at our CR yeah you know I've seen the weight my grandfather has had to carry of the amount employees that work at this place I mean you're feeding not just I see he's very open with us and let us say what we think but any in turn he he'll tell us know when it's not the direction he wants to call me to go how much weight do you I'm trying to be a a strength coach continues football career and we had a little combine sheet that went out that we were going to test people out if he could come out and try out or whoever that wanted to try out I can see where you just hey we're gonNA talk about this on Tuesday or Wednesday so we all get cooler heads my grandfather is he's he's smart about the tactics he uses against want to back away from those but anybody if you're hanging around to Dylan's too long me and my dad that heat in fire gets pretty hot quick so I four hundred and fifty I think or so people here you're feeding their families also so when you lose a job or you can't continue to keep him on as get into some heated conversations from time to time and and it's healthy it's part of it I don't think my grandfather likes the heated family conversations he sends to stuff that's kind of old critics when the people that always go for the family part of why you're here I think the family part is is like an uneducated oh spar or how much in all honesty does it stay with you you know I've like the cheap shots just because of the family aspect of it way to come at me like I'm all about trash talk like I'll trash talk with the best of anyone and love to use words to to have fun and cut down because words tried to carry as much burden as I can on my shoulders without letting it get to you you know and but my support system is good my wife my family all been very doing what the program is doing because again it it's more than just your team it's your family it's your company do you feel all of that when it comes to the highs and lows of board of in that aspect you want the whole company to do well and you know that that will be beneficial for everyone all right let's address the elephant in the room and get this out of the way obviously there's always going to be everything he could possibly need to make it to the cup level and took his opportunity and ran with it just like everyone else that's in this in this cup series now there's different roads the Dylan's and he has to be but he's experienced he knows what he wants my grandfather knows what he wants and he's one of those type people that if you say something he might not agree with it right away but he'll go back don't hurt me like those things have never bothered me is kind of laugh it off and if you come at me I'm just gonNA come right back at usually and if someone uses the family critics along the way for every driver of course I feel like sometimes you get a brunt of it just because of who you are in the family aspect of it are you someone that can ignore it for the business the same way I did and if you WANNA say differently you know there might be a little different path but someone helped him along the way no one ever just did it on Shurmur really hilarious at this point it's golden spoon I don't know whether it's over it's kind of like I have multiple comebacks for that one at this point actually this weekend employees her every one of them you know you feel responsible for those people that are putting in a hard day's work for you here and I definitely when I go the track I I want to perform for them and it frustrates me think about it and then come back to you with a solution that might have some of what you said in and he'll change it a little bit and come together and you can find a resolution any problem that way so why not racing is the official Digest Nascar and they produced die cast for all your favorite drivers find them online at Lionel racing dot com so welcome back aspect to come at me it's not even worth my time to respond because they're obviously just use an old dirt that's not even good because they got to the racing they have to get there that some might be bumpier and harder but they took the opportunities that they were given and made the best out of the silver spoon thing is great I think that is her one talent and just got there right I mean I feel like I'm a talented racecar driver that was given the opportunity to have it interesting yeah it's heavier than the silver spoon so some people can't pick it up figure maybe all right maybe it's gold because the gold cars this year Bill Yeah Sport Guy I mean only people that eaten at bojangles would know what that is most the time yeah golden and my motor got gone I was a couple steps out front and I just Kinda coast it in their thinking there was no race and here comes the draft and he gets me at the line I still am really annoying when it comes to competition and competitiveness I'm the most competitive annoying person but I think people just love that about me at this point because they just know that I'm understand that when you say certain things you better be over back them up or you get made fun of on most team sports for stupid stuff that has said Sports L. Probably ten years old eleven years old and then you realize you don't have friends very often run in like that for a while so I grew up and got older I tried to be smiles all the time and he's athlete with Joey I agree no Brad Brad definitely if Brad beat me I would just quit well it stop racing in Nascar Bradley like I would probably go in my room and not come out for a couple of days so that one is stuck with you don't hurt so don't tell too many people keep it between US nobody listens to this anyway and I was really disappointed in that was like that if somebody came at me like that I would be hurt like after racer that yeah I beat him in a sprint like I would be not at the rate you know the biggest ego hurter the biggest ego hurter lately of my career join the Gano beat me a sprint like sprint at a cold me more than what anyone outside of their says because that's just they're outside they don't know me the people here I'd like them to know me and if they have a different opinion about that eh but I joined the Gano beat me in sprint and I've always felt like you know guys not athletic and he's Goofy Love Joey Great Guy I've played sports most most racers haven't played sports some of them have couple I was really fortunate in that aspect to be able to go play team sports some racers don't do whatever it takes if I have to chop arm off to win a game of monopoly it's probably GonNa happen so I was gonna say that and the basketball league we always hear every so often he's really good at Ping Pong he's a great challenge ping pong so I'll give him that he and he he is more athletic people in his legs are super long so that's why I think it'd be very tall that would hurt me like that would be that would affect me more than anyone outside of this complex the the people in this complex what they think about me what that worries me that bother shoot no one knows us and I'm really put myself out here on this podcast because I didn't want anybody know this bubby was founded that his mother's sprinted at the University of Tennessee will reply to everyone I mean that's what she is amazing at that she wants to comment back to everyone but there's that one person that you're never like my wife is so sweet and she literally and to your face so I mean it's a certain teams team sports they've taught me a lot over time period Nari lot there was a time when I was a punk when I was a kid like it's a tough environment right is a really tough environment I mean you you get the run that mouth and they'll just talk crap and tell you every thing that is bad about you is different than what I feel that would hurt but this weekend some of my guys we put together a cal cover that you see on the cars everybody's got cool designs as have we put a big silver don't even care about like what the reply say yeah usually if the reply I mean my wife when she first came to my life shoes fi she's still is super fiery and she earlier so if words hurt just put a book end on this I'm assuming you're probably pretty good at ignoring social media then I know you're active on social media but I'm assuming you then just her like at all and she just wants to sweet person to help in like I've never seen anybody like she's a natural cheerleader like an honest cheerleader in the fact of she depending on the front of mine so this week and we're gonNA roll through tech with a silver spoon on on the product it doesn't know they don't they don't bother me I've heard it all heard it all he's everyone and you do as good a job as anybody out there to do it they're still going to be a hater there's going to say something about you and it's going to bother you like they don't even know but if there's like a competition in any other way she'll rather cheer another person on and she's like Tommy like you gotta be happy for other people when they win and I'm like really I do like will reply to anyone that wants to say something to her and she's like one person says of the main me I'm like yeah it doesn't matter if you please for other people she's not very competitive when it comes to sports she don't care if he wins he's like ha ha mean now if you want she wants the best picture on race day for share that's her competition interest is not going to happen so I was brad the one with the with the viral video from a couple years ago back and play basketball Kinda puts penske is I will say Joey though he I just thought that I wanted to win everything and didn't have to be happy for others when they won but she really has taught me that I've gotten a little bit better at it I'm not as good as her is on my team sees my my guys are who I care about now if they were telling me I'm a butthead or are we allowed to curse on this if I if I was an asshole and they thought that I post on social media if you like I don't care if you do like it that's great and you're one of my people if you don't then I don't know why you'd follow me like that's the other thing is like if someone posts something on twitter and instagram that I don't like and I don't agree with I stopped falling I just don't fall so it is interesting why take the time to tell people you don't like about what you don't like like why are you paying attention are you following me yeah I think that's cool I mean but that was a great example for me and then like if you have the sweetest person that I know trying to displease all these people and they talk crap T. on social media is like it's a joke so might get a finger when I'm in the back of the car waving at people during Intros yeah you get a boo or a finger you suck which is totally fine I'm a huge sports fan I boo- and other teams come out when I panthers play and I get that but I always blow the middle respond they need to meet me in great their own opinion and that is what it is I don't ever have people at the track coming up to me and saying these things I mean that means that they hate they hate you enough that they will follow what you do to talk crap about it yeah like they actually are obsessed with you in the right there with the fans and I started to really just watch particular fans and I was like how they are really passionate about letting somebody know how they feel Oh yeah and see it up close and personal just kind of makes you chuckle yeah for sure Bowman Gray like I grew up going over to Bowman Gray watching raises and people heroes and villains and everything brochure that's what makes it fun getting back to racing obviously coming up the ladder you had really consistent and kind of quick success and it's not me it's funny you say that because this is just kind of a side note is talking about Intros is look we all here you just go outside you can hear the drivers booed you can hear the driver I get cheered you can hear the fans were really loud because they want you to hear whatever they're saying it wasn't until I started going to the press box Martinsville which is in the middle of turn one into and successful do you almost have to change kind of how you manage your expectations and kind of how you manage your mindset when all of a sudden you're not having that instant success that you were you gotta like or you gotTa hate someone in sports for it to be good you know what I mean that's why sports are fun you want to cheer for your team and not the other team and you know what I mean so I don't know I've gotten the book on that stuff I decide either the lead it if it's really rude and nasty or you guys a kiss and it seems like they laugh at that and they're like all right he's played void doesn't bother him I'm not the guy is going to give him the double birds back I mean you gotta you gotta constantly grow as a person and that's what I'm trying to do right now is is trying to make myself better at certain things I know I lack out on the track and you know it's it's a constant when you were doing including obviously trucks and xfinity you mentioned the championships when you get a cup and it takes a little bit longer to build something like that and to be comfortable as any person in a business any kind of job that comfort level eventually you won't be able to be that anymore it pretty much used to coming up ladder for sure your goals and your mindset you have to you have to reset them from time to time you know I mean even my six year this year after being knocked out playoffs you mentioned earlier is like I'm resetting everything and trying to figure out how to get better in the off season to to make run at a championship working out more I love your the Hagia and they let you know that's just part arrays that's a sport I enjoy that I think that's great if our sport wouldn't be what it is today if people didn't have a villain or they didn't lack of effort on the simulator lack of try or effort but I think just putting the whole picture together at one point in time and making some of those places more natural of an uncomfortable positions constantly to get better unbeliever nabbed just listening to other people that are successful you you have to want to be an uncomfortable situations more often if you're just steady doing just trying to change it up do things different you know if your routine isn't working probably need to change it up and even if it's not something that you're comfortable doing you gotta put your Shit braces just when new variables are thrown into racing do you feel like you're able to adapt to them pretty quickly and get up to speed I think Ado it might take me because you got to do it more do you feel like you adapt to changes like weather it's car bodies or rules packages or go into stage the timing of it it depends FM adapting fast or slow. I think I eventually adapt but the sport if you don't adapt quick it can be trouble awesome because they're going to change something else here pretty soon they change we change constantly changes is part of Nascar so keeping up with that can be tough I've adapted to some things well and adapted other a bill and there are certain places I have one hundred percent confidence in and there's certain places that are needed to to grow some and got to put myself in situations to get better at those is not from grind it out until the end and you're not gonna be able to not think about him at some point in time in that race put myself in situations where you're in the conversation at the for person different focus different mindset and then you take the helmet often sometimes I don't even realize what happened during the race is that true for for some drivers you think definitely think for some conversating for me I don't know I don't know if that stands out I'd say my brother knowing him he's lot different than I am and as he's gotten older he's changed his like do things a little slower hadn't been the pace that you like to see so yeah being able to adapt and change your driving style is a key part of that how would you describe your driving Stein and have a chance to win more of those people feel like that describes that's what I'd like to be known for someone that's GonNa Track you're in is it true what they say that when the helmet goes on it's almost like you just become a different person driver sailing I'm calm helmet goes on the way he goes about certain things but as a younger he was real quiet person and when he would get race car just totally different I feel like he was oh like how would you describe your personality behind the wheel constant consistent I try and put myself situation to to get to the races so I was GonNa say you've never looked back on a race or somebody would remind you of something and you'll be likely I did or said that like what I don't remember no no no yeah I've definitely said a simple guy yeah that's it that's pretty much it you know my family an experience some very cool sporting events heck I didn't know there was a life bigger than NASCAR for a long time I thought this was like everything like everyone has been very fortunate to experience a lot at a young age I'm twenty nine now gone to some cool places hunting I've gone collar and kind of more out of control and that was funny to me to see that so I've always believed yeah that certain people put on a helmet and they're different than than they are about Nascar so I started kind of diversifying and learning more going to college in meeting people that didn't know about it and there's a lot out there in this world obviously and then like that feel more things for you you had a really cool thing that you said in response to Jeff looks twelve questions recently about what makes you happy then you

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Episode 86: Aggressiveness Is Required  Levi Crowl

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Episode 86: Aggressiveness Is Required Levi Crowl

"You're listening to the West Virginia podcast. Now hearing your host I'm Dave see and I am Brandon Brown. NOT THE NASCAR driver. We've got a great show for you folks. We got to Randy Hallman storytime with rain home Levi Crown one, thousand, nine year. Old Kid. that. Races up at Winchester speedway. We haven't talked a lot about winchester and we need to. It hasn't been done out of malice. It just seems that the asphalt world right now has been. Almost say fire. Yeah but they've had. I. Mean The national the National Championship for Advanced Auto. Parts weekly series. Has Been in our backyard the whole time. Yeah. Experience. Peyton sellers I mean it come down to that this weekend. They were at Langley. Yes they were and. Dominion was Nice Enough I think to cancel their racing. so that everybody could go because you know saw Dan Danielson factory with his first ever late model race at Langley got to talk to him down there he was he was real. Happy. afforded. Was Awesome Texted me like two days before he. He's like, what are you doing Saturday. Nothing it's like you won't come down and I'm like, yeah let's do it so. Colleges that colleges paying off finally finally Or something. But that was that was a ton of fun getting to go down there and hone my craft. At it and I think that that's what we've you know we've tried to do is cover that the at those tracks right now that are. That are are racing and we should have been talking about winchester proudly more at the beginning of the season but that's my problem has fault. It's okay I don't think I've ever told you this before but winchester speedway Winchester Virginia speedway was my first ever trip to a race track when I was like six or seven years old that's cool a little dirt in your vein I do. Out and started out. Good. He was on the dark side for a little bit I just until I made my first trip to raise away a couple of years. Is that. Is that like surreal to have your I probably cup race be in Richmond, and now you work for Richmond it. This might sound corny but that trip to Richmond raceway basically dictated the rest of my life up to this point I loved it that that is really so cool. Again we talked a lot of great racing. This past weekend. Langley. Phenomenal races joss Berry came out with two wins which may have locked up. Yeah. The National Title I. Don't know I don't know amy because a lot of times they see it can go down to the last few weeks and I'm not sure win the cutoff is. Pretty close and especially with the you had the top two in the national standings peyton sellers and Josh Berry. Josh Berry has lead obviously. Racing against each other at the same time, which is really really cold AC-. You know how? They did it last week at Dominion and? Jasper. Adam cover there, and then he wants at title bands he wants to. Tell you who else wanted his car owner. Yeah Dale Juniors. True. He said he thought that winning the. Martinsville three hundred. Was The pinnacle of coolness. And success in the limited in late milestone. He goes and here we are Josh Perry we could be net he goes we could be national champions that's he is so stoked about it but and that's cool and that's cool to see that that. The predominant voice I would say in the sport of Nascar are, is that stoked about racing at that level and that team which has been great all year long Other than that Franklin County had a great weekend. They had late models there and. And that's not a regular division by the way folks late models, and so they brought them back in the car counts are climbing for this that's fantastic for them to, and they also had the stadium modified. On. That because places fast. And those those stadium modified the we the the wheel I call them the wheel and modified still. Those stadium modifies just frigging awesome I. Don't think I've seen. I don't think I've seen one of those races yet. Person and by the way connection to the those type of cars. Okay. The the the wheeling bonds column because they they normally, they're mostly found up North Connecticut. Those areas of Ryan Priests May yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. He? Made his name in that series connection with that division has a connection with rich win the sawyers owned. Richmond raceway. They sponsor Tommy Baldwin Yup interesting little connection there. So Tommy Ball went senior. So. I mean, they're they're just a great. division to watch race they know those stadium modifies normally race at Bowman Gray. And you got to see him on that track man. Only In Front of twelve thousand fans, everything. That is by far the craziest track. You could ever go to and watch a race because every week for a weekly show twelve, thousand people still that's cool. But it's also attract that is in the dead center of three million people. This bowman gray has done a great job. The hatfields, McCoy, kind of thing. They have some families there bowman graded hate each other they show it on a racetrack and in the pit sometimes so. I've seen a few I've seen seen a few fights in the grandstands and how much do you think? that. Connection to Franklin County out, bring it up for a couple of races hopefully hopefully, that will come to hopefully that will continue the Frank Kennedy still bring them once boming rig. It's back underway. Y-. The social media world is lit right now folks. Because of I saw it. Because of what? TALLADEGA These play races always bring out the the hate. The. CONTROVER- controversy. You're always talking about. So freaking upset that Maddie dating get down man the wood brothers hundred win was right there I. Mean. I thought he was I. thought he was I get it. I thought it was going to tell up until turn three when it all started to go wrong. My still thought that he might get the win because I thought. That they would they were going to rule that Denny Hamlin. Went below the yellow line that he actually drove. But that wasn't the rule. The rule was that he kinda. He got forced down there down that way and they deemed it to be. A. I gotta look at how he was forced. Down their. Happy for Denny Hamlin. Exactly. Are Gutted for the wood brothers and Matt Bennett because at least Virginia driver one that's true. is true and we get To See Matt di come this close once again even though they deemed him to have pushed the twenty four car in and he got twenty first place due penalty. But that's taken spoiler man i. Did Not realize I don't know why like Daytona I did not see how tall it was. They've had that for like two years now but at the top half is lex and so you have to kind of look really close I actually think. This year they put a little black outline around it so that you could actually see it. But so they've done they've done that on the superspeedway races specifically and they've got the Lexin on the high downforce. Low, horsepower package as well. So you can barely see it but but it's A. Little give them a two in spoiler in. Let's say you're. Going back to the low downforce at a bunch of different tax, next Jim, and then bring to bring the car up off the ground and then we'll. See you know well, I think. So so of course, they had to move the new car the next car year, which which sucks because of covid but I think that's one of the things that they're trying to do with that new car is make it. So it's easy to have variable era packages within it without a bunch of different changes. They've got the diffuser on the back that's going to get rid of some dirty air. They've got a tiny spoiler that they can use. It looks like the cars of more off the ground to which is visually pleasing visually pleasing, and that's to be honest with you. That's not the biggest social media conversation or lawn. What could be bigger than that? The two thousand, twenty, one NASCAR schedule. Lots and lots of different changes. Hey, one one one. Made me so happy dirt. Yes. I was at one of those dirt races and Bristol, and we're you now. Yes, and they are that track with there can be bad, ass it's fast for sure I've seen the videos as cars. And the super late models. I was a little taken back by the. Comment. None other than the most. You go back years and years. He's been the most opinionated of all Richard Petty. What he's saying that going back to a dirt race at Bristol that. It's like us becoming unprofessional that dirt racing. That that Dirt racing isn't a professional SPO- isn't professional. Well I will say this, it got the dirt fan base fired up. Because there is that a good thing though getting the dirt dirt fans fired up. About you know what we've been. I'm I really would like to know what Tony Stewart's thanking right now because of having the truck race, he's always lobbied to get INEX- vanity slash. Cup Race and door at outdoor would have rather seen a dirt race at a dirt facility. Yes, Yup. But I also understand what? NASCAR's, car and. Bristol. Is trying to do that that Spring Bristol race. Has Been Declining. In. Attendance. And numbers on TV for a long for quite years. It's not like the night race at the end of the year. Like this last one. For, some reason that night race has always been made, it's never I mean if you had one hundred, eighty, thousand tickets, you'd sell one hundred and eighty thousand tickets. Even in today's climate with their seventh seventieth year of racing the their seventh anniversary twenty, twenty one, they wanted to do something crazy I think that Nascar is really going off the board. and. Try and I like the statement to that you haven't seen anything yet. that. There are going to be even more changes and you know from twenty two on, and now like they have, they have the flexibility coming dinner for obviously California we've talked about a short dress short-track that's going to be wild. What's the chance that some other mile and a half tracks? Twenty two in beyond. Become A short-track man that was It's funny because. Because they are talking of that, they're going to be more emphasis on short-track. Racing. Some twenty twenty, one on which which I think is is good. I mean previously worked at Chicagoland speedway on. Lost, they lost their race and that was the first thing I thought about when I saw this that that brain has got to be Kinda. bummed because because you work there and I have an affinity I will always always loved that place so very much. So it was definitely a bummer to see it off the schedule. Understand you know the switch up stuff but I also attended a race up at Road America. and. If you that's a return from what nine from wisdom nineteen, when's the last time they raised road America race xfinity now they're. Cup? Oh. It's been. It's been. It's been a long time. I remember seeing it but it's been a mini super long time. And that's that is a beautiful track up there. Oh, well, that's my point. Is that Is that if you were to go watch a race in you, WanNa go to a new a new place. Before one of the most beautiful places that I've ever been to watch it watch any type of racing is up there in. At Road, America and to answer your question nineteen, fifty, six, I was. GonNa say fifty, four, the one, and only time they ran a cup race up. There was nineteen fifty-six and Tim Flock was. Ten o'clock by the way E. The other. Schedule Change that kind of caught my eye that I was really pleased with because I think it's GonNa. Offer better racing is indie. Yeah. Going to the road quarter win to the road course saw what type of. XFINITY series produced there and eat with the beyond that track is so huge. And I think that over the last couple, well, probably the last five years it's been one of those things were India's been. Think, for multiple reasons I think just the era package hasn't allowed it to be a race like. The first five years of that race six years seven years the racing was great, close? Yeah. You know. A lot of battling last couple of. Years. been kind of follow later you know somebody makes a mistake. So this is GonNa go because expanded xfinity race there at on that road course when they finish. frigging crazy Briscoe and Austin Syndrich and AJ Almond digger. No Gregson all battling. Meant beaten on each other and chase taking. Any cars are going to be that we can to that's going to be so. Racing they're restored delays. A twin bill. Go. Ahead we are. We are excited here racing, Virginia. The Cup series coming back not only to Richmond raceway twice Martin Martinsville's twice. Wait a minute the other mid-atlantic Trek Darlie toys. Darlington's Darlington's got got an spring race. In south. Carolina. But it's part of our group the mid. Atlantic. With us. And I will say this Nascar thinking about going back to its roots They brought back a second race to Atlanta and they brought back a second race to Darlington Yup. That's that's cool. Fanatic reminds me of when I when I was a kid and Atlanta is potentially bring in the you know a huge casino and some other things for the fans and. They. Even talked about a reconfiguration when they have to repay because I mean, you love the the track surface, the track surfaces, fantastic Atlanta. But at some point you do have to repave it just needs to be repaved. So if they're going to do that, they might go back to their old configuration back pre nineteen ninety-seven, which was. Phenomenal. There's the NASCAR schedule got people talking Yup okay, and the thing for me I mean we have Richmond April eighteenth and September eleventh, right? Correct. Look at Ya and Martinsville, I don't memorize Martinsville April fourteenth under the lights, which will be the potentially the first race under the Lights Cup series there with fans in the stands by. The here's the and I'm was talking with Bill Sawyer about this. When's the last time Martinsville and Bridgeman race where we're back to back? Oh Man, it was like Shui It's been a while it's short-track season in late ninety. Virginia is going to have back to back weekends NASCAR. Yeah. So that's going to be really KUNA spring. Yeah. That's going to be really cool. You gotta get a three hour drive between between Richmond and Martinsville. Okay. I'll go ahead and announcing you know when I. Go for I know a bunch of people have got their schedules about their Langley put their schedule up there. It was great and by the way I'm going to look at their schedule and I am going to book all our big events on top of there's Oh. That's fine. He doesn't go for you then do it by the way. That is sarcasm. Okay. That is just joking around. We love our we love Langley speedway. Is going to. Know because we all have to work together we really do. Dominion, Langley. Virginia Motor. speedway even winchester. We're so close together that we really need to look at each other's schedules, South Boston and not book on a special events. You're going to be head to head on a Saturday night with a bunch of other tracks. You can't get away from that. But if you if we can go all work together, then then are everybody's special events hopefully will be successful. And that includes VP that VR. It's hard. Granted is super hard to do because we've talked about we have such a plethora of great diverse types of racing in in the state of Virginia absolutely out. Looks this this past weekend look like. VIP and another great weekend. Tyler on town cross. No My. May killing him and can't wait to get back down there gay announced with the outlaws. Street race is moving to next year in the spring cold. That's another big event they're going to have got Super Chevy coming up We had one of those our worked at route sixty, six Chevy if oh, my God, the cars. That will be oh my gosh, and then this weekend they had top fuel and funny car. Thank. You all I know is it was a lot of fast cars. Not Top fuel. Funny Car we're in Saint Louis this weekend. So that was the mom have to look it up. I don't know what I tyler I'm I am following talks excited. I am friends with him on social social media now and to see the stuff, he's pumping out man that. Those folks out there are pounding out. Don, Dynamo mullins at Dominion doing a great job at Promoting Dominion speedway and the the Graphics Best Graphics and the best pieces of creative for social media. I'M GONNA have at Dominion Way they do phenomenal job got to step my game up. That's okay. Twenty twenty one. Yeah. That's yeah she gets like. Digital racing posters. That's. Cool I mean and she's doing one of her office walls with posters. And she's done a phenomenal job and I will say this von Kriton has done a great job in his first year at Langley. Oh. Yeah. There was a lot of pressure on a on a kid. Yeah. Okay. To go there and take over the reins from Chuck, Hall who is a conic in this I mean he's you know he he took. Chuck took Langley to another level. He really did and Vaughn is going to bring that young vibrant feel to it. Now, I can see that with the stuff that they're doing on social with the Greg Greg Garner to at. At Winchester doing a great job Langley Austin at. Franklin County, stint agreed job via. Their home killing it. Yep in a pandemic. Killing they're all everybody's made the most of this horrible situation you know whether or not whether or not you're the track decided to race or what? If they are racing. It seems like they they have persevered. I've done a great job doing it. Again like I said, we have a great show. We've got leave rock corral coming up. He'll. He'll be our second guest here today but we might as well get this thing started. Yeah. I WanNa hear a story here story. Yeah. You what time it Is. That It is time. To get a story two. From our man himself guy whose name is upon the deadline room. That's true. Right here Richmond race in the media center Mr Randy home and painted randy. Are you good. How was your trip DC? Well that's. A good thing and it's a good thing. Right? You make it up some backup, ninety, five and nothing. Great. Was was ninety five a better or worse than that The TALLADEGA traffic that we saw yesterday. We'll often simpler but when I went to, it was not as sad and That was that was a mess yesterday. I was a mess Dagan. Keep telling people not of. What I can't turn away. No. I'm the same way. I watched every second of it I the last the last lap I was standing up in the middle of the living room as my girlfriend gets home from her twelve hour shift at the hospital and I'm like screaming and TV she's wanting to sleep of course. So of course, you know that's that's how Talladega is though. Like Oh my God, my God. Gets Wilder and wilder and wilder you go. There you were. Let's laugh is incredible and crazy and and then you know sort of satisfying but not that sign. Yell. An rule just sort of cat took over that rates in a way. Penalties and then wh who gets penalized the car win blur the Larry car the four somebody below the landlord. The. Yup that reminds me you. You were talking on text. There was kind of this kind of a precursor to all this yellow line stuff i. mean you know Dale June first of all Dale Jr. hates it in fact, a lot of people hate that rule if you look at social media but um, there was kind of a precursor this but nineteen eighty was it. Eighty one and there were others there were other to like look. Back I don't know how far he's because he could go way your. Could mention you might want to mention seventy nine when tiny. You know kept coming down coming down Kale off into the. into the dirt on the Baxter Net resulted in Moroccan you know having their played on the. On the field until. The time. I remember I remember that of course, I was there in all that and. While men and In. Eighty one, there was finished qualifying where. The ticks up to me. And one was was Walter. Were established any he wasn't. He wasn't a new guy or anything, but but he He was still sort of a wild young. Rod. And BEEN IN THE QUALIFYING RACES DOT COM. Of course, they took barrel forever and just it did the. Earn our care forever to win cut. Up. But he was he was been Daytona for a long time just like our winning qualified where he's winning sports on racism. And, you know the Bush class and and everything, but the final andy fresh. And So so we're GONNA Nineteen, Eighty, one exhibit qualifying race already want to couple of them and gets gets the last laugh and he's you know there are three or four of them in. In. Walter. Crumbs that come for the Lad Walter. Comes dive into the inside there in the trial. All the way on the And, of course, you got that you got the apron and you can't hold it there you're full. You can't stay on the Agra you're gonNA come back up any bid right in front of Benny Parsons. Anymore the rights you wanted to qualify and I was a thrill it was he didn't hit anybody and and. Got Got Away with it. But after the race. He was condemned. Orient For for move and Richard Petty. Said He said I found a quote. Signed. Richard Petty said. They're done some of a stupidest thing today. I've ever seen in racing if he wants to win races back bad of back off and letting with. Going out there and endangering my life like that. So here's a the king selling selling their Walter if you can't do that. Walter. was. I wanted to write and nobody got I. And He you know. He was he was totally grass and he was jog all the way. But. The thing was he didn't do it. And that was the way it wasn't it was like. Richard Petty and kill Yarborough, and the peercy says you can't do that. You didn't do. That way. That course chain to make. Is that. Is that the the the the aggressiveness now. Is. Is is more widespread and more required. It's like. You got. You don't stand up five or six or seven core that are gonna Kim to win rates after a got. You Got Sixteen you gotta always multiple themes local star themes, cancer. He's got you know three cars in an affiliate and. And and children in Hendricken and Gibbs they've all got multiple guards and all those guys are expected to win. So they're all you know they get to toto and they're not gonNA live they're gonNA, they're going to block they're gonNA push ambler that land they can they're gonNA they're gonNA drive through if you try to block them and and do different it's different and there's nobody out here I mean, Jimmy. Johns. You could say you know. What Chase Elliott thinking he was doing and it wouldn't it wouldn't matter. Nobody nobody cared doesn't. Go. So. I. Think IT'S Something has happened that there's no, there's no self self-policing and going on. And I'm struggling with that rule, I don't want. I'm not sure if the great idea MAC avenue. I write about it in my solemn we can. Probably will and I'm not sure what I'm gonNA write. It it's it's, a quandary. Keep it safe they Talladega it. As. As A. And somebody said at one of the drive safe is the relative were let me go two hundred miles male what How much of that do you think is a product of the package and the style of racing because back in the era where you were just talking about in the? Seventies eighties like you couldn't race like they raced today. If you were hitting each other if you were using the bumpers the way they are today that. Would have wrecked today they are so planted the ground and so much downforce in the bumpers are so flush against each other that that you have like you absolutely just have to race like that in order to be successful. So. That just leads to way more aggression. I mean, let's be honest I. Mean you look into that race it was like four or five wide coming to. Know to the to the checkers data. Crazy. was. Amazing with amazing. And I would. I mean. The whole race and and all of a sudden two of the guys that you're most interested in your from Virginia for her going for it to Benedetto in the would rather. And and Hamlin from Chesterfield and and these other guys, and you can speak my own my gosh. What's going to happen and they were Mel. Really at four wind they. I don't know Yeah. Yeah. The package has something to do with it on the. Another thing is that that happens is. You get you pack racing states so packed so long. That you can go five, hundred mile still have. Cars. You know running back in the lead left even after you've had, you know three or four. Presses back then it would. It would. The field would air itself down. There wouldn't there wouldn't be that many contenders at the end of the five, hundred mile right. There'd be three or four. Well, it's like just like in seventy six when when fear Kenny rectum four coming for the flag of the Daytona five hundred, one of them's still one and the other thing is. Concerned was separate themselves from the field. They. They they'd be playing for twenty four and twenty fifth to everybody was. Exactly, and even even talk to you know ten twelve years ago. You'd see the end of Talladega races in in the late nineties you would have say a four car breakaway that was fifteen twenty seconds ahead of everybody else and with the style racing you have. Now you just do not have that unless the rest of the field rex back in the day. Okay. When they get the air, you're talking about Brandon those guys had those guys that were up front like that and breaking away they had a big set that they carried and wheelbarrow. Nowhere Dynamics you either had to get out the gas if she was breaking loose. Or you just stand on it because that's what I was talking with David. Is it back you back in the late ninety loo the early nineties when I started watching racing and then even through the late nineties and early two thousands. Even at Talladega, you would have cars that would not handle so and push off the corner today. They could just plant that car around the yellow line if they wanted to do, and if you get three cars with three great runs, you might without a yellow line role, you might have them run in three deep on the apron coming to the checkered flag on the backstretch at. Talladega. Right. And here's the other thing you know it's like. All right. So let's get really. Arab. On. The other hand. If you were there and you saw the year that the that Ricky Rudd when when spinning and crashing out four and ended up with his is take within was in the Class A. Clan. and. Ended up a week later with his ask take though for. So. He can run the five hundred and two weeks later he won. Several cars that we can. Went went flying. And they ended exchange of the name of changing the way the those the angle, all out of four Daytona. Because we you. We're lucky that nobody did it. So, but but several cars went flying. needed. That's when they started experimenting and ended up with the roof flaps in the hood flaps and and the and the size of the spoiler and all of that, and I can't say that I don't. That I don't think. The aerodynamics are are good I mean you can have your cars Lionel all over the place you know into the fancy. Whatever. Kurt Busch. He went fine I guarantee something's puckered. But but his he when he went flying, it wasn't necessarily the that the car got he got sent rather than. Getting. Just. This whole thing. Look it still happens for. Asked Ryan Newman, you can get up. Your but. Not as much not as at random I, mean that that particular weekend was it was like. All. The stars alarmed and. Guys were just taking all. Just single the literacy. Sideway and all of a sudden that air was getting in your. Pocket. A few went well now manual roof with up. To give the air gets a chance to get out and It's you know course they'll get up in the air. It's still flip and and all of that but not at not a racist they were. So. You know if you'RE GONNA RAISE The tell they tell them. You got you've got to keep them on the ground at best you can't. And you you can't have them. You can't I don't know if if they're not gonna police themselves, you gotta make a rule. You can't run down below the line on the acreage do I don't know what I don't. I don't know what to say I, don't know what the. I have a problem with the Arab Amex a way that makes. And I have a problem with them. Running on the eighth. But I don't like it was. A one alas. Web I want him to be able to go forward. Acre boy. Yeah and you want him to be able to to race without fear of penalty on that last lap. Maybe that's the solution is suspended on the last lamp but then You introduce a whole other world of craziness to to that too. So I we can't both both in Brandon can't wait I'm sure to read your column in the Richard Dispatch also if. Speak speaking of columns. Raising Virginia Dot Com folks Racing Regina Dot Com Randy. There's a plethora or of stories I mean how they go back three years. Yeah. That is true. There's some really good stories I mean don't just just don't get caught up on the latest one go back and look at some of the other ones there's a lot of. History being told in those columns as well history of Virginia as well. Yeah Yeah I actually. The last one I wrote me. Had had a little a little nugget that I didn't know about until I sort of. With around and founded about respect. and. Donald Robertson out of roanoke own. Time he he was the owner Richard, petty? winning. Right. What? I really don't know much about Don Robinson even now, but I know that he he bought car from petty or Jape Tom and he had bought he bought a car that year in nineteen seventy that that petty used on Thir- trip and there weren't any good truck with hardly less offending enterprises wasn't making track card. But they took the car that that that they bought. Difficult to Don Robinson. Wasted back and ran it under. John. Roberts's name as owner. In Penny won. Two races that year four done including as it turns out this week was found out the last dirt race before the next race at Bristol next year that was at Raleigh in nineteen be seventy laughter rate per owner was on. Rob. Rob Richie that. That's awesome. Very. Definitely Racing Virginia today I. had no idea about What really okay. Yeah. Talks well, as always man, we can't thank you enough for taking some time to spend with us and villainous with some knowledge. She drop some knowledge on his voice always. Look for next week. Buddy. Hey. You got time. Will do thank you. That's storytime when Randy, hallman? That lasts that lasts. We're GONNA have to do a little research on that last a little nugget. Did he said because that's too cool. Last dirt race being owned by guy from Racing Virginia. Has You know I didn't say anything about that. But, yeah, we need to dig into that a little bit. Let's keep this. Let's just. Keep the show rolling. We knew that you know there's no stopping. We got so much stuff baby row on. Well, you know we don't get a chance to talk about. Winchester speedway, we haven't talked about them as much as we should they they have been, they have been one of the dirt tracks in the state along with air rat that has continued to race during the Covid I am. I am trying to get Mr Gunner the owner. To come on he is. From from Virginia. So we'll get Greg Garner on and talk to him and because. Any promoter out there and we've said this before that has tried to stay open during the covid nineteen pandemic. Applaud him absolutely because it's really hard to make money and wanted one of the drivers up at Winchester speedway. He's nineteen year old kid and he is really coming out. I mean. This is kind of as the first year that he's really he's always shown some promise but this year he's winning and he's waiting quite a bit in fact, he comes off a big win up at. Pittsburgh Pennsylvania's motor speedway Was it the bill? Hendron memorial three, thousand dollars it was. His. First rush touring series race when he is leave crowd, how you doing Leva I'm doing well I'm a little tired. So from this week I'm doing good. How are you got? Nineteen come on man. All kinds of energy you gotta be fifty eight late night. Now I'm. Maybe on Friday night I got about three hours of sleep before sleep. Saturday was three hours or three. I didn't get my last night here. On. The and bugging you about stuff by the way Levi drives the number five wrenches and wreckers know-alls, fire protection dragging performance products, TWA vans, trucking high racing products rocket x are one a love given the the because it's not Chevrolet Camaro. It's a rocket are x one. So but may not do twenty twenty as bad as a year has been not been a bad year for Levi crawl. Now it's been really really awesome. It was one of those things where this year we just got an extra one. So a new fascinating of an order rocket it was a two thousand, nine with two, thousand, fifteen updates on the front end and we really just wanted. To get good with the car this year and get it set up where we're comfortable But once we start running frying at winchester, we're able to travel and make shows. We knew we definitely have something really special and Just it's insane with how you know we definitely have great connection that people around us that were able to provide us with the information. You have the ones we got those extra one close and we wear win a couple of Winchester like this past Saturday was unexpected but at the same time with how close we are and how great this extra scouted it really doesn't surprise me as much as it does surprising. For you as a driver at Winchester speedway, what does it mean to you that Greg Garner and his staff have gone out and can Actually. Try to continue racing because it's very difficult. Most of the people most of the track owners might even be in taking a little hidden back pocket. Because without fans, you really can't make a profit. There's just no way and they haven't cut purses They've run quite a few races every week and they got a bunch of divisions for you as a as a driver. What does it mean to you? It means everything and Greg is exceptional guy in the. Sport Neck, and you need people like him to be able I mean just for us to be able to do what we do and do we love I live ten minutes from eggers down speedway and they were open a little bit earlier on this year. But ever since they got shut down after the Be a speed week. It was night collars one Hagerstown. They haven't been able to get back open and for you know obviously, it's different stay different county things like that. But I mean for for Greg keep open because that's really our home track. he him and his entire crew in the whole facility a phenomenal job at not only You know just promoting the races because they bring in as far as you know some per stig and ahead he does a very good job of bringing in yours on the pay good pay wealth throughout the field and he just really continue to do everything right year after year and May I say I would love to see you come out to Virginia must be way granted we didn't raise this year but. You know. I think that you do very if you do well at. The P. PMS you'd I mean? Virginia Motor speedway for sure. Yeah, that was actually an an answer this year everywhere we sit down and kind of plan our schedule. We were GONNA come out there a couple weeks before you know. Before, the fifty grand to win great race just kind of get some test session I was wondering to. Go, and we were just want to try and make the make the feature because that's for fifty thousand. You're getting the best of extra maps or we everywhere and and that's just that's the same going where would we wanna make the feature and then we go from there. But like I, said, we went to Pittsburgh last year year before New York Iran. The non-qualifiers Racer, we barely make it Friday night we started twenty four because we have some mechanical failure finished sixteenth inside I born here so it would take some time. But it definitely in our plans to get up there and just try to get better up there can't be you know you're you're still young And he started racing just think about this brandon five years old. So now we got a got a nineteen year old. So he's got fourteen years of experience fourteen year veteran of racing. Yet nineteen you started out running. Quarter. midgets. Talk a little bit about how you got started in racing and racing quarter midgets because that seems to be. Especially, if you look at some of the NASCAR drivers. Mill Ridge. Down there and Carolina Charlotte runs quarter midgets all time in and Michael Larson's kid. Clam Boyer's Kid. Kash has got a quarter MIDGET SODAS COW BUSHES I mean. That's a great division to start in talk a little bit about it because you had what five national wins. Or five national wins I think we have a close to twelve or thirteen podium finishes but I was Like twelve or thirteen to fifteen. Ran The the USAK. Tour by we I got an coordinated number is five and before I was even born. And Dad mom he lost interest I would get five years. Old I'm going to get a store and I think I don't know where they were at. Yeah Yeah. He was determined. He always loved grace. When he was younger, he never got to do it and. That's one of my favorite things about now to is a lot of these kids on major extremely successful. They have thirty years of experience. Helping them and stuff and I. Kind of had to adjust running a quarter maybe it, which is the size of coffee table and after a full-size late model before I even got my driver's license So I'm Outta love that too but I mean we always run around Hagerstown from quarter makers and from like five about twelve thirteen years old and then we travelled out and we hit some places in Pennsylvania and Ohio. Actually ran track the go kart track right the tour that was always really cool. It's a great place to start and I made some lifelong connections and through that. What, what do you think? I mean, it's not all it can't be all chassis I. Know that a chassis dirt racing means a lot. But what do you think the difference between the last couple of years and this year our confidence really the big one Especially, the people we have around us supporting us knowing that the fact that I have. that if anything and I'm extremely I'm extremely blessed but I'd go out and happen and for. Thank. God I'm fortunate enough but I had the backing kind of help us get out. You know sitting next week if we were to raise the next race and we have quit so I can out there with confidence and put the car where each the and diving in there. Indefinitely my crew has come so much further this year than what it has. Fast and we've got more information. I'm definitely MS shock therapy. On it raise engines I gotta give them a big shout because anytime that eight them gives them a call and they provide the information that we need to kind of goes either just I mean, it's everything. Everything has been also under force. You see you you live about ten minutes from Hagerstown. But what What made you gravitate to Winchester speedway make that your quote unquote home track and what is special about driving at track in particular So the big thing was at the time we gotta have to crate and they were running crates opener I don't believe. Wasn't rush thanks. They just had old and banded up taking him out of the schedule about a year after year two after I started and We were still running at winchester every weekend to that we could almost hagerstown was running because they never really I want I wanted to challenge each other competed against each other. They can run on the same night once they kind of took him out of Hagerstown. We went to winchester everything we can start around for forty points there and we face second point for two thousand, eighteen, twenty seconds. Points does nineteen they're. Really just in my opinion, the northeast or however you WanNa located I think that's where some of the best of the best Craig Racers and really at least on this side of the country are and you know loading over where race behind him and you know I learned so much interest rates behind him awake gesture two and a half three years and Allen Brandon Brandon at look at some of the best local cray racers come from. Definitely made us a whole lot better and it's a rough I mean say rough as in hilly. It's because it gets slicked over and it's it's a different kind of race and you really have to pay attention to the throttle control correct yeah. Hundred percent of that kind of funny. The Cadavers explained her the guy's how a three mile like winchester is really probably the deciding factor what helped us pass the half-mile, Pittsburgh. Yeah because it, it gets like ice. If they if they prepare winchester right, it gets like ice and I've talked to super late model guys that say they can't even use but three-quarter throttle in. that. So I mean. It's a, it's a tough. It can be tough track to get around and get used to drive. But if you can drive there, you can drive anywhere because just about I mean you know if you've got a big. tacky track just about anybody can drive that kind of separates the men from the. Boys so to speak you know. You really have to know how to drive him. 'cause you're all over the place. Yeah. I'm always decorative slick a very extremely like explains like racetrack is there's definitely why you know makes the driver of stand out a lot of people want to. You know if they bashed when tack and I I think they're crazy and the majority of do because. It's one of those tracks where you're set up against the first win. It doesn't matter the person's front. He's taking the bottom line here can't put it at the pedal and stay out of the moisture excitement. And Still Menem, and and get by on the outside But no, it definitely definitely does get extremely slick. They're went just. Nineteen where do you want to racing to go all the way I I started On Saturday night We are extremely big dreamers and I'm a big dreamer of all of them and every. You know I wanted to I raise quarterback. So I wanted I wanted to run you know worry about all spring cards and then once time came and we decided to go with the late model. You know obviously to Bhaskar and stuff like that. But once we got into mile Pretty, sad and stones in my dreams goals when Alec Article. Or something right now she called a goal that's something has been reached. I really do think at the age of nineteen I'm still fairly young. We definitely got to get some more wins it can get better, but it's running to Lucas little tour or the warning Alexandra or whatever to where I. Get in I just gotTA. Keep, doing what I'm doing now and outbreak meet some of the right people because it's one of those things are me and my family we can re definitely could not do it or we could probably couldn't create race on around but the people we have with us. Hopefully, we can meet some. People, and and definitely get on a local tour ornamental outdoor and represent them while I'm brandon I'm I'm GonNa go on and this is not going out on a limb. Here's another nineteen year. Old Kid sounds like he is a grizzled veteran on the on you know on the phone. Interview. The drivers that we are interviewing and it's not it's not like we're picking them handpicking. It's just we're picking them because they're doing well, and you know in the in the place that they're yup but. Then he come on the interview and they're like man they got do they got some some interview skills got their stuff together he knows he knows what he's talking about and the thing. The thing that is the best about about Levi here he knows where he wants to go. Yeah. got. Forget a vision. The vision you know not dream vision. It's the same Levi we can't thank you enough for taking some time out of your schedule to visit with us before we let you go though. Who you think I appreciate you guys I remember talking to guys always. Helped me as be really a precursor prefering that I have would that be? My Dad Birds and foremost I guess because he does everything. So He's definitely put out the money for the car. It's. Money works for you now. Path. Because he kinda got US started whenever I got in two, thousand, sixteen or fifteen or sixteen. According to raise their, you're going to two, thousand, six having it wasn't. Highway swayed back and forth back really got the ball rolling there. Of course. RACECAR lot. You've been a huge help for us, my parents and my sophomore year high school Earl. Mommy I think her because she. No, no I'm. Not We'd come after that, but I had to. This is only for people in the cargo bay really Because, at the wasn't for them, we would not be going to Pittsburgh winds have equipment that we have. So I think Eddie Stanford. Records, the execute order going for two days and knows fire protection. The you know puts the power underneath the her dry D performance products. McRae to an awesome awesome. Awesome company a love, the People Red Devil Barbecue, China's bands and a great guy next The Indy? Auto. Cycling team be services hiring products. Services aren't auto body ingram that shock therapy dirt defender all about rafts Definitely. I. Think. Rocket for making me best task ever very socks that's about it. He got them all he knows. A like a driver that can go just pound out his sponsors and he's he's got a few wins. So He's got you practice and practice, lane. Yeah. Leave again thank you so much. Man Continued success this season and hopefully we'll have you on again. All right. Thanks man what? Kid. By the way dryden performance products, you may not know this, but you are from Virginia. They they are from Virginia they started out in. Ashland. Interesting. See I. Actually, Virginia West Virginia man that's right here from West from West Virginia. West. By God Virginia. Wonderful This been a great you really has. Some the young kids nowadays I don't. Know I'm starting to think I got to think of the e sports guys just like I do the guys that get on the race track. And Race I, mean an and by the way Raja. Raja Bamford guy got a huge victory victories his first his first victory. Danny. Greenville pickens. By the way we talked about Gracie trotter last week. and. I forgot she's part of the diversity program she the. Fourth or fifth or something like that. Got Her first article win and finished fourth behind her but yeah Raja this. Boy. And this that's. I wanted and that's why I wanted to kind of make comparison we talk of everybody says. E. Sports. Trina. Look. Raja got a chance because of that NS car initiative. Him being good on I, racing and them noticing ima tryout with rev racing. And he was good enough. To be able to get a ride. It has nothing to do with any other thing but talent And I'm really digging what NASCAR's doing with that program because there are a lot of. It doesn't matter what? Nash. Race. You come from okay don't have the money. or the ability to go racing in a real car. Sure. You know from a young age. May Be Geographical may be that your parents you know don't have the money and maybe that. You know there's just not an opportunity to do that and this this easy Nascar. Initiative is really cool and and the other thing that I didn't understand I was GONNA talk to you at the beginning in the beginning of the show was. You mentioned one hundred, thousand dollars. For the winner of the Coca Cola. Racing series that is correct. Get this folks. Hundred thousand dollars to be national champion in that. Crate three hundred. I saw the number of this morning when I was doing some research three, hundred, thousand dollar purse Wa up from the winner Zack Novak got forty thousand dollars last year to win the kilowatt it's one hundred thousand dollars understand understands just. Forty thousand dollars a still a lot of money forty thousand to win that series is stupid money and one hundred thousand dollars is crazy stupid money and and to see. Written raceway you look at how this is kind of. Blossomed in, itself okay. Richmond Raceway, you have a denny. Hamlin has a team. William Byron William Byron as Clint Boyer has a team based in dillon has attained. Yeah. They're ton of people that have e- NASCAR teams just crazy Elliott. Sadler joins. Top series. But now he has a technical team that that he has he has drivers on our our our Kotei Garrett maize is joined them technically and. Part of that no, he's not no rogers Rogers got his own team but. He's doing well, he got himself a huge road pro and earlier. Let me tell you something. It's not easy to get to the Coca Cola now series. Now it is the forty bestest oval racers I racing racing. And it's not like you go. Hey, I. Think this year I'm going to join the COCA COLA AND NASCAR series. No. So you have to you have to go through the ranks baby. So let's climb the ladder. So let me use use Maine's local. unleashed. Brandon's faces just lit up. So get means who who drives to Richmond Raceway Sports Coca Cola Development Program, and also raises technically with with Elliott's team. They have what's called the road to pro anybody can can join the road to pro. So you literally racing against hundred do you could you absolutely good looking? I don't know if they. Could start the rugged press. Some of those guys would be cussing me probably eat. You just gotTa get get better like a bull in a China shop. Bay. So Garrett means. It is the erase the truck and The top twenty in points after that series is over goes into the pro series and the top twenty in the pro series goes to the Coca Cola I racing series next year. So how that works is the Coca Cola. Series bottom points have to requalify have to requalify in the pro series. So you get the top twenty of the road to pro series the bottom twenty of the Coca Cola. I would say, then the pro series is racing not racing at the same time that Coca Cola. Happens. It's winter rat. Okay. So wrote a prose over our our buddy gear means he was one of the top twenty. So now he's going to race to be in the Coca Cola racing series next year. So that's going to be really really cool. And You know th that's the there's so much going on it really is I mean we've we've got a lot of great racing going in our. State Langley coming off a really big weekend. That was fun. You know that national title, you know championship shots between Josh, Berry and. peyton sellers. Close. I mean and it. It won't be decided and now granted Josh. Berry won both races. And PEYTON had had mechanical trouble in the second of the twins I mean that could that may have one Josh A. The. The. Chance to win the national title daily even talked about it on L. junior download but you know it's it's just one of those things I mean. This is what's what's great. covid nineteen 'cause a lot of issues South Boston speedway unable to race. You probably would have seen Josh, Berry and peyton sellers racing at South Boston and not Langley F south. Boston had been open Yup Yup. Just did it this way? It is because that's their. That's their track that they would be close to yep so. But now, dominions had them out there. So, now, the the fans from demanding it to see this kind of this kind of national battle and then Langley headed this weekend this. Granted we've had so much trouble with the covert nineteen that. You WanNa pull your hair out. But I. Think this is move. This is pulled me and you both. This is pulled all the. You know the drivers go into different tracks that they probably wouldn't have gone to so. There's exposing fans as a positive out of a negative. Yep. That's what I try to. You. Know we need to we need to close this thing out I know we do. But before we do, we can't again, we can't thank you enough guys four. Either liking our page or following us on twitter and follow us on facebook. INSTAGRAM and Youtube too. And of course, now, the show is on all the major platforms apple podcast, spotify Google podcast those are the three biggies. spreaker. Anchor. Yes you will take those last two and that's the. That's the thing we WANNA do folks we you know a I know it's been. So for the last two years, go into the website and listening that we've made it easy for you now and ask you if you could pick your favorite podcast platform and subscribe to that to that particular platform gives us a review. Hopefully, it's a good one and hopefully you'll give us a five star rating especially on Apple podcast because I think that's the only one that gives the stars. Okay. So, if you could do, that would be greatly appreciated. We we we I know me both me and Brandon Preciado that a ton. And in fact, four brandon I'm Dave see I think you the fan for listening and keep Racing Virginia.

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Episode 10 - Rex White, 1960 NASCAR champion, NASCAR Hall of Fame member

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Episode 10 - Rex White, 1960 NASCAR champion, NASCAR Hall of Fame member

"Racing now man I'm your host and we are very honored and pleased to have with us today. Nascar Hall of fame member and Nascar Premier series champion Rex wide. Welcome rex damn good to be getting interviewed very special. You've got a lot of honors. I mean you're in the not only the Nascar Hall of fame at the National Motorsports Press Association Hall of Fame and the Georgia Hall of fame and living legends of auto racing pioneer war. Did you ever think about all that ever coming your way? When you started racing in the late Nineteen Fifties. No not really had no idea where my career would care me but I started out pretty good and kept gaining on. I A great career over the years. Yes you sure did and I mean even before you started racing. You had a battle with polio. How old were you when that happened in? How did that affect you of ten years old and I wound up with a crippled right leg A little shorter than the other and I had trouble you working at throttling. The cars and most of the time. If I'd hop in the car or make my own I had to pick the throttle to suit my foot instead of just happened in the car. I could not great where I wanted to you. I wound up not crippled all and and wind up having a great career. That's great well. Did you have to go in the long when you were battling polio? Oh you did go into hospital. In Gastonia North Carolina that was built just for polio when he was hundreds of people in there Kennedy who is a bad epidemic? And of course we didn't get a vaccine until the fifties. But does this pandemic that we're going through now remind you of that? The any similarities. To and the only thing is this thing is worldwide but actually I was walking into fields and going down the back steps to house and I got the fall and dad thought I was trying to get out of work really in the fields at all so when I started falling down the steps hurt. Kinda and they've finally took me to the doctor and I can hear him saying to my mother and father. He's got infantile paralysis. They didn't call it. Oh you're then I'm sure that scared your parents considerably. Yeah they didn't come from Stop me from going trimming on the railroad and things like that. That might have caused it. But I don't know if they ever knew how I got started. Not Pay had polio as well. Did you talk about that? No not really was Maurice. I didn't WANNA you said. You came down with polio. At Age ten. But you already started working on your family's model t at age eight. What attracted to that early on? Just enjoy get nothing steering wheel out loud saying driving and of course we had an old truck on the farm and I started driving that before I was ten years old off the road on the farm and all that was in Taylorsville North Carolina. And how your interesting cars and all progress from there? Well I just interested in automobiles and of course There's such thing as food cars in Alexander County Wilkes County. Kinda got interested in that some of that stuff then. It's pretty speedy cars back in those days. You walk on any of those. No I was too young and and I did more. Call Huish cars or anything like that. I bet they fascinated you. Didn't they stole. Yeah so you got your first car in nineteen fifty four. Where did you get the money for it? And how did that come about well? I met a guy that had a pinball machines and view boxes amusement stuff and he put up the money and that's how it got started in and was your first car. The I saw ever drew road on the racetrack was thirty. Five Ford Four Door. I worked at a dealership and one of the mechanics. Air had this car and you wanted to go to Manassas Virginia. A burke track third of mile dirt track and is GonNa race so he said you only go with me not secure go. So he rented in the heat race and of course it was to run hot all kind of problems and so he said you drive into the Constellation and that was my first time to ever said no race car and they collapse on the racetrack. Were Hood then weren't you? Yeah that got me started. That was actually the first race. I wouldn't to at Manassas Virginia. And what was it that attracted you to racing after you drove it that first time ninety speed factored me even on a horse or team of. I always wanted to go fast. That's the biggest thing is Kinda warm up. Pets things Speed. Let's great now when you raise. Debt your first sportsman. Division I believe was that was at last West Lan Ham speedway in Maryland. That's correct that's where I learned my first race in. That was your rookie year and you even won the championship that year for that division. Didn't you know not? I didn't win the championship but I went to a had trouble with the car earlier in the season but kept blowing the engine and finally got fixed and got the car running for thirty good so I went to let them and won the race on Friday night. On Saturday night I raised at Manassas. Virginia only it was paved then instead of dirt and I one race at Manassas. You know that was NASCAR. Friday night was Nascar at Lanham and Saturday. Night was what we call it out long and so I used a different name Johnny Nalen and we're got the name from. Was Johnny Neel Runa Indianapolis car and so I signed in at and the evening star in Washington put on name in the paper and winning race and so I went to Atlanta the next week and the Bill Clegg. That was the NASCAR key Stewart. And he should what name or you go to sign under tonight because you already knew that I wonder racist Manassas and then on Sunday I wanted Malraux Maryland so I won three races. That we can just start off my career and really was a big thing and you never looked back after that for those people who aren't familiar with why you call them outlaw. Races back in the Nineteen Fifties Bill France senior did not like his. Nascar drivers driving a nap. Non Nascar sanctioned events and there was one time in their years he would even take points away from drivers if they ran in non NASCAR sanctioned events. And that's actually how. Tam Flock lost his modified championship after he won it correct. So that's why they call them at law races. I take it since he ran under an assumed name. They didn't take any points from you. Know I didn't didn't take your points and really I wasn't really concerned with points in either really that first year and then my next year. I went to Bowman Gray Stadium Next Virginia North Carolina and ruin the whole season in North Carolina. I say will now. Was that before you got up with. Louis Clinton Spartanburg South Carolina. Oh much before i. I didn't meet her until fifty seven when I grow for Chevrolet. Okay I got you but when you drove for Chevrolet you or part of the first ever Chevrolet factory team. Is that correct correct? How did that come about circuit in nineteen fifty five so that winter decide to go to Florida and run for the winter down there and I was in at been ruined bowling. Great all all summer and Alvin Hawkins. I knew him well. So he's called. The Max wellborn was the owner. A Chevrolet dealer yet bill North Carolina so actual to start the car and go ration- so he went out and Hawkins so Alvin. Hawkins recommended me to him to drive the car and I was in Florida and I went to Daytona beach and met them and that was not I new car or Grand National Car that I've ever read and I came fifty six and I actually want to raise the first year at McCormick steel in Asheville North Carolina and So I had a started off with a pretty good career. Finish Kinda pretty good points and run the whole season and for those who are sitting there thinking. Where have you heard of McCormick Field Report McCormick field and Asheville is actually where the minor league baseball team plays and that particular summer and I think there was another summer to the baseball team moved to a different city and so they turn cormack field into a racetrack and the start finish line was where home plate would be and I believe it was Dickie? Plemmons that Ralph earnhardt booted into the DUGOUT. One night of there during a race at McCormick field A hotdog driver from Ashville there. Yes he ran a few races and even he won quality races. Not Down at the ASHEVILLE. Speedway became new Asheville speedway and then reverted back. Dash speedway on and boy road. Which was Dan by the French river? It's a historic site. Now that you can go to and enjoy and Roger Bicycles Zone. Walk and hear the cars the way they used to be. That's actually where I started covering racist. That's where I started. My journalism career was at third mile. Ashville track at treat race faction Nashville and I wanted to go all three up because we had asked for. Weaverville to win their or paved. No I didn't want national. Reveal under all pavement. Okay because it was paved actually i. It was paid in the late fifties. I think that's when they pay Volkov's jeans sluiter ran that track by than five or six races there. I still got some the trophies. That's neat. I'm glad to do that. Do you remember the pond that was down there in the Infield and turns three and four? That was left over from the dirt. Track yeah now. You raced at on the Beach. Course in nineteen fifty six. What was that like racing on the beach in Daytona? They ran four times on the beach. run modified upto nineteen fifty six even run modified and grand national both in fifty six and fifty seven and eight. The beach course was that I was something else. I'll tell you. I was quite a spectacle in what respect well half of it was paid the other. Russia the beach in the sand and the holes and Sandblast a windshield and couldn't see and a really tough race to win or finish. Even Finish Your I. I never finished any race there until nineteen fifty six in fifty six Chevrolet for Maxwell modified card I transmission out or clutch. Went Up. Didn't know how to preserve the car and get a good finish. Well when you talk about part of the core ban on the sands of the beach in part on the pavement of the highway a one a one a lot of broken axles going from the sand in would hook up on the pavement yeah It was tough on the car and we didn't have brakes. And all you got going fast on Xtra they one day and you had to come to that turns. I'll turn Bush or a turn. Was it because of the speed that you carry it into the South Time? And they put they put Diamond shape put them in the pavement. So you'd you'd hit those times and you know where you got to back off and and and get slowed up to going. That turned. Well I guess then that video of a lot of cars going over the turn on the beach course that would be the south turn. It was because they were carrying too much aid. Would that be pictures of it? They got three and four or five car. They got cars on top of cars. You turn right you know you get to rice and heck you. Don't think about slowing down going into turn like that. You also drove in the convertible division in Nineteen fifty nine. Why did you drive in the convertible division ration- and we take in money through one a convertible race at Hickory ahead a couple of pretty good finishes in convertible I one race at Hickory about six or seven left in the lead? Who went there and rained and it was. The racetrack was just a big gap by nut. So I don't think they qualified what we started in the multiple so bad I just went to the rear the field because everybody weatherly and chartered just blew their car up. Run and the radiator up so I just sat back. I wait until racetrack cleaned up and got good. And I wound up about six or seven option lead. That's something will what were some of. The main adjustments are the things you had to get used to going from racing. A hard top convertible actually chassis wise Didn't change anything but at like the Convertible Daytona. We didn't It costs much wind a new car. It's so you down ten fifteen some our. I didn't realize it would slow you that much. You know there's a lot. You're a drove a car convertible all day. Taylor. So are you talking about? It would slow you down there that much on the beach or where no not own the bitch. Need-we Daytona International speedway would open in nineteen fifty nine when you came in to what was then known as the Grand National Series and now it's referred to the Cup series Premiere series. And you got your first win in nineteen fifty eight in Fayetteville North Carolina. Champion speedway what you remember about that. I win not a Hekla DEB. I I run good all the time and I had my fifty seven. Chevrolet that I got some Chevrolet but I actually wouldn't race in nineteen fifty six for Maxwell's at McCormick steel. Now my first lady go to win in a in a new car okay. Short-track do they got ya so that win at McCormick field. Was that a grand national win or was that no consider trae you had to do they here in Chino back there. Short-track in had champions Jim Reid won the championship for years The story of that is in one thousand nine hundred fifty six. I wound up second in points in the shortcut so the end of the season was coming up and I knew if I had races in California that counted to the Porch Championship so anyway I wind up about third or fourth in the points if I didn't go to California race so Max give me money and I went to California to California to run to racist to nineteen fifty six and I run second at Gardena. The Lloyd Day and run fifth at San Jose California Saturday night On Sunday night and I left San Jose on Monday morning and I raised in Green for Thursday night at Greensboro North Carolina fairgrounds. Oh goodness gracious. I'm sure you slept on the plane. All the way back but oh yeah trip Because you had no interstate at all all all to most to roads so you drunk. You had someone that drive. You didn't fly on an airplane. I didn't know what airplane Don Wood Johnson not to California with me and he not done all the driving all the way out and all the way back holly. How Army as did it take you to make that trip well going now. We we left early and had plenty of time. A lot of sightseeing going west. Never BEEN TO CALIFORNIA BUT COMING BACK. We wrote his harsh. We could get back because we had to run on Thursday night in Greensboro right and you left California. What Day Morning Holy Cow? Yeah and there wasn't any interstates. San Like you said all two lane road just about practically limit of four lanes in Texas in a few places but most all to highways all the way across country. You are an early lightning. Mcqueen just weren't on route sixty six out sixty six went to California And went to Saint Louis got sixty six or went all the way out but I come back on highway eighty which starts in San Diego and goes all the way to Savannah Georgia. He our driving around the clock. Did you drive in twelve hour shifts? Or how did you draw? Not just won't get tired or sleepy and turn it. We've never slowed up hardly at all. We run constantly to make what phase where you're running well back in Fifty five sixty and these little towns and all road which was pretty good at the total race car and the your pick up or slow. Do Parts and everything. You're you were told the rice car. Oh yeah that was quite an adventure was. Did you ever do that again? Yeah do the Fresno and race in nineteen fifty nine and try to win a short track championship and a broken ball Jordan so loud relation missed championship in nineteen fifty nine seven points. Marlins Porter won the championship. Oh my goodness gracious. How many were you running a year? Then well we we worship in the forties and sixty won the championship forty summarizes I and then there were some years. I think that was that after you quit driving. When they were running fifty to sixty roses year I was already out of it. And that's one thing we want to talk about as nineteen sixty. Which was the year that you want your championship and that beautiful gold and white number four. Chevrolet a great caller yeah. It was do own that car. I did okay so you were were you. Based in Spartanburg clements in nineteen fifty seven. He'd come to work for the show raise team him and Crawford clements brother and Anyway. He went to work for cotton and different people and we finally got together. Nineteen fifty nine and we stayed together until nineteen sixty four. So he was your crew chief. Okay so you on your own team. And he was your crew chief. How many people did you have on that team? Well later all one and up and sixty one sixty two sixty three. I had three and four people working for me. Full-time what about the year? You won the championship in nineteen sixty. That was James Joe Louis in me. Three people holy cow unbelievable and gone. I got dame show to hired him from Frankish CIDER in Tampa Florida and I paid him fifty dollars a week to go to work for me. And James worked for me until nineteen sixty three and jared hardy and anyway Take J. gotta get three hundred fifty dollars a week and I was paid him. Fifty ecoed marine should Need is all three hundred fifty dollars a week. I said don't let the door hit you. James. I would go there in the world. Did you win that championship in Nineteen Sixty? Three people do pretty tough. I mean we spent a lot of sleepless nights. That's for sure but in nineteen fifty nine. This is a kind of a good story in nineteen fifty nine. I had run and not born on pretty good doing pretty good city end of the season. Gm RASMI had a owner in Lima Peru. That wanted to get a grand national car breaking over there to drive. Possibly I would drive it so at the end of the season Lewin. I got the car all ready to go and says up to run the road. Course and on the way to New Orleans to put it on the boat to go Dima Peru high or spilling go by myself and Mario Rossi was hanging around. Shot wouldn't didn't have a job and so I asked him if he'd ride. Bush needs to go with me New Orleans and help drive and drop the car off so anyway I drove to Dimopoulos Alabama and it was starting to get dark and so I said Mar you might as well drive. He drove about twenty miles out of Dimopoulos Alabama wreck off the road and rector race cards trump and had time getting out of the trees off the road so I didn't know what it's GonNa do this so we got it towed out to God to a gas station in Cuba Mississippi. That's right on the state flying here of Alabama Mississippi so anyway Spencer had a fifty nine so anyway. I got a C so Jesus got. Dc's car brought it to Mississippi and switched a lot of the stuff off of my car in his car and we finally got it ready to go on the boat and only what we had ways of communicating was a telephone pay telephone pole air but the gestation so I hear the phone ringing Louis Kalish. You're already to go. No he called me and told me said the plane crashed in Lake Pontchartrain at Eastern Airlines and killed everybody on board and owner. That was gonNA pay me for the car It was on that played who got killed so anyway deal all turned around. Would back home. And in the meantime I had got my sixty Chevrolet to start building it but it didn't have any money so anyway. Mungo shook and the manual arcus wanted me to build a car for them so not built. Mangla car in got two thousand dollars to build that car and I built not sixty Chevrolet and went to Daytona on that two thousand dollars. Holy cow unbelievable. And then you say then you parlayed that two thousand dollars in that trip today towner into a championship and indoor championship have no way known figures. But I'll bet you that I won the championship in nineteen sixty with less money than anybody ever wanted to championship. I'm sure you did not believe your championship. Track was thirteen thousand dollars. Yeah did you was at the most money you'd ever received for anything before. Oh you definitely. That should biggest. I one less net when the war in nineteen sixty two. So you didn't come out of that. Nineteen Sixty Championship in the whole in. No okay. Well that's good and not only. Did Rex win that nineteen sixty championship but he also won most popular driver that year and also driver of the year so definitely a banner year for you and you also competed in the inaugural world. Six hundred which is now the Coca Cola. Six hundred which is having its sixtieth year this race in in just a few days will be the sixtieth six hundred. We've heard all types a horror stories about that six hundred so tell us about some of them well. The race tech didn't get fish good. It didn't get one primer coat of asphalt and the rocks come to the asphalt and everybody appeared their cars with all kind of Shaker screens. I put three windshields on and my car got some new rock of Gravel. Hit the windshield. I couldn't see through it but I wound up in pitch the race which was really a great achievement to even finish it. That rice and Jack Smith gassed. I got the leak and he lost the race to Joe Josh. How did you attach through? I mean this wasn't tariffs people. This was actually three windshields full-blown windshields that rex put on his car. And they were were they out a glass. Then directed clash. And how did you attach one or the other one well? We just put one own and taped it and then put the and taped it and free and take her look masking tape. Okay so you just type them together around the edges of the windshield to to hold a mountain. Yeah well did you take any of them off during the race? No didn't race the outer one got so bad. I couldn't see through it from gravel and I wanted to take one off A pitch top or something that. I never did get a chance to do it. But I'm telling you I was blind. From the way the gravel hit the windshield and major all scattered Bokan Ivette. I'm with the sun the way that race track to. I'm sure there was a tremendous glare on that as well with us that pitted windshield. The racetrack had huge holes and trying to doctors. Minis you could and wound up finishing and they started sixty cars in that race fireball. Roberts won the pole for that inaugural six hundred. Then you quit racing in nineteen sixty five sixty four four. I'm not less racer That I drove for but more Mercury in nineteen sixty four. Run for racist for Bud Right. Your last rice was the DIXIE FOUR HUNDRED ATLANTA ON JUNE. Seventh et correct. Why did you decide to stop driving in nineteen sixty four nineteen sixty four? I broke I didn't have a team. dissolving team and Just got out of racing and I built a lake sports and run in nineteen sixty five a one run thirty two races one twenty finish ten seconds and fell out the other two but your record from nineteen fifty nine to nineteen sixty. Three is just phenomenally. Won Twenty eight races more than any other driver during that time. Frame thirty. Six Paul's in this was all in two hundred and thirty three starts and you had one hundred and sixty three top ten finishes in a hundred and ten top five punishes and you're in the top ten in the points six of those nine years in the on the Grand National Circuit. Which like I said is now the Cup series or premiere series is the way it's referred to. That's phenomenal rex. Well I had a top ten finish average for time. I raised you and your own team. For how many of those years? I've made a partner in nineteen sixty two with it. So actually when I got out of Raisin and Louis own together not just me I say I see and now I know a lot of people have said that you resemble the Comedian George Gobel. Did you ever get mistaken for him in public places many places? What was it? I was on the airplane. Go into California one time and the asset next to be kept calling me George Go. I will cut up with him for a long time. He had these sites George Bill. Oh my goodness had a great life. Great Clear de you. Sure did and if anybody wants to read more about rex. He has written an autobiography and the name of it is goal thunder and it is available. I think there's one copy on Amazon right now. If you're willing to pay over one hundred dollars for still have books for sale. If anybody won't run that you probably well that's great. I'm glad to know that and you live. Where in Georgia now? I live in Georgia. Eighty seven rivers wrote lot to twenty two are encourage everyone to get the the Book Golf Thunder and if you missed any of the ADS hopefully didn't promoing the Atlanta Motor speedway race that got postponed because of pandemic that was rex. Wipe that was on your TV screen. So now you know what he looked like and you can make the decision about whether he resembles George Gobel or not but I can. I can honestly say that as a child wrecks that year you won the championship adopted you as my favorite driver that year other people other people. You're welcome and other people in our family pulled for fireball Roberts but I was pulling for you pushes short career. Yes he did. You all made the sport. What it is you form the foundation of it with your blood sweat tears and a lot of busted knuckles and sleepless nights. And we just really appreciate you taking this time to be with us on racing now and then and look forward to seeing you again soon episode of racing on the craft.

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Episode 75 - If I'm In There, I'm Gonna Take It

Racing Virginia Podcast

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Episode 75 - If I'm In There, I'm Gonna Take It

"You're listening to the West Virginia podcast now hearing your host. And Welcome to episode number seventy five. Seventy five I'm pretty sure it's seventy five. I think. So it's like yeah, that's an anniversary episode dinner is. I'm Dave See I'm Brandon Brown, not the NASCAR every. Oh man what a weekend what a weekend, the race it Langley speedway. Yeah. Very controversial seems Oh, by the way the guys, the big modifies from Bowman Gray went to. Franklin Franklin County. And had a race I haven't checked and see what the deal was there but those cars oh yeah. I don't know if you've ever been to Bowman Gray but I've not you have to make a trip to Bowman Gray just for regular week not for special event regularly weekly race now I don't think they're racing right now but I think that's the reason why they went to Franklin yeah but. Man This is some family feuds their baby I ever heard people at Langley. We're talking about the fact that they're having that race there and what to what they were expecting to happen there and I don't know I don't know what happened there this weekend but Entertaining lanes had you know the the big wheel and I still call them waylon modified. Yeah they. They are phenomenal division to watch, and so we need to actually we probably need to get the the promoter or somebody from Franklin County on yeah. Yeah. They've been they've been really do from what kind of under the radar. Yeah. Out there in the western part of the state. and. But they they put on some great races. They have a decent car counts and then of course ended up Greg I had all of them come up pretty much. So yeah yeah, we got. We have we gotta get well one we got to get somebody on and to we gotta make a trip out there it's. At least I the other thing is, is that we really need to have some of those drivers. From the western part of the state. With especially with a mile. Motor motormouth closed this year but speaking of feuds. Hampton. Heat. There were a lot of heat it. Yeah. Individuals at into that thing. Yeah. Yeah well yeah. But you know what I would have taken the same move. I'm sorry Ed and I don't I don't from the videos that I've seen because I wasn't there in person, but from the videos that I saw. It didn't look like Brendan Queen. DID ANYTHING WRONG? He just went on him. He had opening. They let him. If. You leave that bottom open especially at Langley. Take so so I was there I was helping wide. Who Three Y down into turn one at Langley that's that's fine. I was doing social media for for Langley. So I was there standing on the front stretches they go. They go down into turn one and you know they got the safety trucks down there. If you're in the Infield, you can't really see once they dive in the corner exactly. What happened. So I saw I saw Brendan go three wide and I was like all man because he took, he took I mean you're. You at two laps to go to know he was there. Yes so he goes down there and then on the other side of it, he's the only one coming out of it and I was like, Oh man, what just happened but if you go back and look at the video he's got all four tires down on the apron he he doesn't like make a move to come up into them I think I think the heat from them obviously because they got knocked out of the race both Corey. And Connor Hall and Danny Edwards who was the third best car or your second or third best car night the he was coming from the fact that they were the two best cars all night long they were up there battling for the win and Brennan. Hatton run that great. He said in post racy CARVER's real tight. He just couldn't get up there over the course of the last few starts he made some really good moves got us. Into third spot there on that last restart and I mean had to go fort had to go for it and that's what he said in his post race interview and You know he was he was unapologetic for the move that he made but he also said these like you know what I if I get some retaliation down the line I expect it but but they said, you know after the after the the flag drops you can you you can go three wide you can. You can jump out line right there and that's what he did. So they. Leave the bottom open and that's the way it is. You're gonNA expect somebody you have to expect somebody to be down there. That's the way it is yeah and that's what happened in and I mean when you're going this ten thousand dollars yeah and the Hampton. Heat win. As biggest race of the year for Langley. And his his biggest race thus far in his career to that he was going that he was going for he's been running good of late. I mean obviously, we talked to Danny Edwards him and Danny Edwards had a great a great battle for the wind couple of weeks ago. So not like in fact, Danny Edwards and. Brandon were third and fourth right behind these guys. Yeah. So I mean. I know Danny probably was happy either. Danny's car didn't get messed up too bad. But he he got into a position where he lost the stop he stopped. but now at the moment I thought it was just from standing there in the Infield if you saw if you saw it in person you. Know Man that had that had to be a dirty move, but it wasn't it Wa- it. Wasn't. Talk about the. You know the the the feel there but with the fans and with competitors and. Obviously, this is nineteen it wasn't I mean. It lived up to his name, the Hampton. It. Was Hot. Wouldn't how does the last year but it was hot. but talk about the atmosphere there at Langley for this event. It was really really good i. mean you would not You would not think that they were only limiting to so many fans because the crowd, the the people who were there were into it especially at the end of that at the end of the two, hundred man they were, they were vocal they were. You know having a good time. You know had a couple of Baloney burgers in just a the atmosphere. There was really really fun and especially down on down pit road I mean the competitor everybody was into it you you wouldn't. You would have thought that. Were dealing with what we were dealing with because it was a day. It was a great day at the racetrack. So from from all aspects from I, think it looked like it was a good success. Oh, it was. It was a success especially like. I talked on Monday. And he's like got to wait till Tamar. They'll know what what's going to happen when the governor comes on. Talks. So they were a little worried that he was gonna roll things back and that they were not going to be able to have it at all so. So kudos to von. Clinton Chuck Hall. Bill. MOLLAHS. In the in the whole staff at Langley speedway Yup. Really. Think. Quickly getting this thing put the you know promote it. Sure. Yeah. Everybody's known about it. They sold as they sold out they sold as many tickets as they possibly could have excited about that and I was I was happy one to the asked me to come down and be a part of it which was you know really cool. said he was going to be too busy needed somebody somebody social media help give me the keys to the social media car and told me not to Reckitt. And I had a good time doing that and a lot of really good content that came out of it to which people seem to seem to enjoy. I did a I did a grid walk live on the road you know. I know. The. Upset had to well, you did it for Langley anyway but the I was going I even told people to watch the racing Virginia facebook page then I didn't see anything I'm like, oh But that was because I was focused on now Langley. Langley speedway I had I had to pick pick my priorities in in what I was doing. You can't. It's a shame. You can't send it at the same time to to yeah. Yeah. It's just you gotta share just after the shared after it just no way to do that unless you're. Actually doing it through computer and sending it everywhere, and that's hard because then you're going to have it's not the phone. Now, you're having to work with a camera you. Do with what technology you have at the at that point, which was a which. I appreciate that I. I was I look last. Know I need to You do a great job with the social media on racing game facebook and everything I need to take a better role in helping you. That's okay. Share some of this stuff I get a little nervous sometimes to do it even though now, an editor you know we gave we gave him privileges gave the gave me sort of a key. And Brandon definitely doesn't want me to wreck it. Don't. Watch what you say watch what you do yeah. Because because the one thing that you can. Easily post post personal stuff to business page and business stuff to the personal page. Doesn't it? And you could like things for me the one and you don't know which one you're doing sometimes and you. I have found that I'm better off. If I like something or share something I am I actually go to my personal account. And do it because then it doesn't switch over. Even if race, in Virginia, comes up all my time line. Even though I'm an editor, it still doesn't say okay from. Yes. I have to be on the race in Virginia One. X sometimes you playing roulette with it. Trust me I know Lee same thing with the Virginia Motor speedway one Lord have mercy seven years of doing this. I made I haven't made any grave dire mistakes on some media but I've I've shared some I've I've shared business stuff like say from the Richmond page to my personal page I, thought always putting it on Richmond. But I haven't done the other way around which is which is good. Nobody wants to see my airplane. Instagram, well, we do have a great show. For you and we're working on another great show for next week. Already, we're trying to stay ahead of the game where we're doing pretty good. Today show, we have Willie Mullins Arca driver from Fredericksburg Virginia expert Virginia. He is the husband of our bud. Dina Yup Dynamos. Up, in dominion and we're going to talk to him about. How he got into the archer stuff because it sounds like it was an addiction started with one car and then next thing you know you gotta a big Holler and a bunch of cars. Yeah. We're also going to we always going to have storytime with Randy Hohmann. Another great story. Yeah I haven't heard I. AM he he? He's the actually texted me this week and said, Hey, have you have I told the story to you yet I said, no, we need to hear that I don't want to give it away. So we'll. We'll wait until we introducing but leave it to randy and then we have. Edited it drum roll please Butter Brain Brennan Queen on to talk about the Hampton heat talk about his racing career first time we've had him on so it Ought to be an interesting that that's probably going to get a lot of shares with that. Yeah. A few a few I'm interested to see his perspective few days removed from the heat of the moment because I talked to him right after the fact, and now that he's had a couple of days to digest. Not. Only that moment but the fact that he won the Hampton heat so I'm interested to hear about that too. And it's always nice after a couple of days you know and I. I really don't think it's it's GonNa Change that much yeah. I don't think perspective is going to change that much from. From you know from what he thought I like I told you, I. Leave the bottom opening Langley they don't take it in someone's going to take it. Let's go to the WHO's your driver dot org hotline and talk to a driver at a francs per Fredericksburg Virginia. He is a he is one of I think one of the only Arca drivers right now from the state of Virginia which normally have a few you normally see him in the number three but the last two races you've seen him in the number eleven. Crow. Ring Wing recycling bugs, bugs, lease repair, bugs, bugs Z's there you go. Bug Z's repair. Ford. And we've got a lot to talk. He is Willie Mullins, Willie, I'm doing good today. Thank you for having me on today. First of all. I mean had some pretty good runs here this year. Not Too bad. You know it's it's one of the things I'm still learning smile and a half and you know I'm I'm new to that stuff. I'm my racing background things like that, and you know we're learning Unfortunately, car counts aren't the greatest but this is the time for me to learn and try to get better at my. That's the one thing that the ARC. And Kayan. East and West merged. So now we have an Arca East Arca West and Arca. So. and. There's certain events that everybody comes together and there's something some events that are only for Arca West, drivers and artiste drivers. So I figured as it went into this this year Willie that it was probably going to be a little bit of change because a lot of these guys are having to change over cars. Absolutely you know it's it's definitely one of those things couple of rules that were changed. So it's it's hurt some of the smaller teams and you know unfortunately they call us. As you know, goes up every year. The last couple of times. I mean it was a great story and speed sport about a former Arca champion giving you a phone call and the last couple of races you kind of hooked up with Andy Helensburgh talk about that a little bit. Yeah. It was one of the things you know we were after Daytona. We didn't plan on run anymore this year you know with the covid nineteen, it's really hurt our our business. And you know we just haven't had the funds. So unfortunately, the same thing happened with series well, we need to make sure the series lives and Andy Hill and burke gave us a call and we came together to work together. So we didn't have a large cost going to these races and and I get some more experience and that's when it started. Talladega, and then we went to Kentucky and you know we may be one. Or Two more races by the new. Year. I don't know but we're GONNA try to make sure the series lives on and continues to be a good series for people to get feet wet and touring series the a you know I I've only many months but Anne, Hill and burke he seems like such a phenomenal guy. Absolutely you know he he goes out of his way to help people. You know it's one of those. Those guys that's trying to make a buck in racing and not make a million dollars but just make a good living and and that's what he does and he knows and and he's the same way. We are going to have a series to to make sure these guys can can get developed to move up to the top series. The one thing that I have noticed Willie is that you take care of your car. I don't see you. See you in a lot of mix ups. And that's what's taking me longer to your out these mile and a half. If we had unlimited money and unlimited cars, I would just drive down in the corner wide open and figure out where the the edges and back into the fence describe another one but we can't You know we always gotTa have centers on it and we always gotTa make sure we can fix it in house and that's all done these past you know. Ran Arthur I think twelve years now. So you know we may not have the seller finishes, but we're definitely going to try to bring a car home every time we can't. Well you have. A high finish of second at none other than Daytona International speedway. Talk Talk to us about that race in specifically the unlimited green white checker finish is that that you had to maneuver through to get that finish? Well, it's. It's one of those things it's it's hard to explain. But when is your date your? and and just get in the car that they felt like that day I. Don't know why you know and it just everything worked every savage common, the car, the entire time, and and then we had that I really big wreck and you know when we're going through yet cars flying over top of cars and and we're going right down to the middle of it and and I I kinda was waiting for something to come in front of me or hit me but it never did and and that I red flag we were just sitting there on the back straightaway. And at that point and I, think we're going to be okay you know and and like we were we were can't fifteenth with one lap to go You know we were hoping to come out of their the top ten and then we had another another big wreck and I think we were just. Worked our way through on that that that lasts red flag we were seventh coming to to the checkered flag. And then I come out the other side and it's being Michael. South. So it was one of those things that it just all clicked You know I think we had a total like two hours worth of red flags we were sitting there on the back trade or so it was hot in there but it never it never felt out of my reach I felt like we were in the catbird seat that night and it came together you know and it was one of the. Highlights of my racing career. What is it like? For anybody most most people have never done it. What is it like racing at? Daytona. you know the first time you go there and you go through the tunnel and you go up there and and you just look up at the banking on the corners and and the banking sweat three, four stories high you know it's it's definitely takes your breath away. And as you go there every year, it becomes more and more the normal but it's still has that feeling and and then they share it's going to be a complete change for us Race on Saturday the day before the five hundred. So we're running with the nationwide guys and and we're going to be part of the show this year I guess you could call it. So we're definitely looking forward to that. You know I'm this Kobe thing kind of slacks off enough where we can have fans back in. A completely different atmosphere because usually when we're leaving is when the parties are starting and Then you also this year we're giving. You know your background. You would love to have the ARC on the Daytona. Road course. Oh I do and unfortunately financially me and my wife Reno are at terminal trying to make that work but it doesn't look like we're GONNA be able to make that race or. you know it's just unfortunate timing right now and and money but we're definitely you know going to keep working towards racing again this year. Gotcha, that's a that's going to be a new a new thing. Unfortunately, you won't be able to race in it but what do you expect to see in that race? Particularly, I don't have a lot of action You know there's going to be a limited practice if they even have a practice. you know these guys are GonNa be down there down that back straightaways deceiving down chicanes. So you're GONNA see a lot of guys sliding down through their backwards taking people out. You know it's GonNa be very interesting because you're going to be you know a hundred and eighty miles an hour you're going to be as fast on the road course through turn four into the trial as you are in superspeedway race you know. So there's there's definitely a lot of speech still there's that road course. Let's talk about your background in road racing I. Mean I think you're on a board of the V eight road racing series. So. Talk a little background. It's it's one of the things We'd actually I, drag raced my whole life my dad's GonNa drag racer. So my brother and I got to the point I wanted to do something different we work on the car so much drag race let one more seat time. So s she it was a really good way to get into road racing whether you WanNa do Miata or you know advantage for something like that. An OLD NASCAR Cup car Joe Falk Cats. So I bought that car from Joe and and converted into a road course car and we went to our local track at some point got my road racing licensed SEC A and and ran that for eight or nine years just had fun. You know and cost a lot and then you know archea decided. To Go back to New Jersey motorsports park. So at that point, that was are jumping off point to get into big time auto racing and and we ran that for five or six years up their New Jersey Park, and you know had moderate success but you know we're doing good and and that's when we decided to finally get into superspeedway five years. And according to your wife, it's an addiction. Darker stuff is an addiction. It is. It's. It's a love hate relationship. With one car and then next thing you know you got four and a big aller. It's one of those things I've worked. You know these past twelve years to build what we have. You know we own it all and we built it all and and we worked with. The crew chiefs and we got a good crew chief Tony now and and we worked away up to to make sure we have. The equipment we need and things like that. It's been a difficult year for everybody I mean talk about. You talked about earlier that you know business has not been able to afford racing because business. It all goes back to the covert nineteen pandemic. Tell us how you can have been able to. been handling this situation. Well you know it's very scary You know we have employees here and they depend on us. So it's one of those things when the pandemic. We were on a lot of trash trucks and containers things like that. Well, at at first we were okay. But what happens is you know these commercial restaurants and places that are commercial that people can't go to visit have to start setting their trash service off things like that. So then it's a trickle down effect once people can't go to restaurants trashes against their own way and Unfortunately we're on the bottom of that list, and we're one of the first ones to get cut because we're an outside vendor. So you know I, it just hurt us for two months You know we're back to to work in about eighty five percent now. So we're hoping that we can continue to move back up to where we were and get back to normal every day. All right. Now, we all switch gears a little bit because this is the part I- Brandon. He goes man we gotta talk to him about this. You've gotten a ton and I mean a ton of exposure and press for your backyard go kart. Track. Absolutely. So Brain and I'm telling you if you look if you look the. Prepared like you would go to capital city or anywhere I mean or a Amelia back when it was dirt I mean they put some work into this thing. Okay. So tell me how did this idea come about and how you know how did you pulled off and and keep keep going with it I WANNA Slow. Go, back to November right. So in November, we start getting ready for Daytona before that me and my Gary Payton. Free racism modified. So me and him have been kicking around like we should build a a go kart track at your parents like, yeah. Yeah we should. You know. So you know we're in full mode December and January Daytona and it Kinda gets pushed aside so you know no big deal. Well, we get done Daytona this year February well. Then, everybody knows this pandemic starts you know it's starting to happen. You know we go to test at our local track at dominion with our car and Peyton and his modify, and then that Monday we get a call from Arkan says, okay. That was your last test for a while we really don't want anybody out there testing show and then Nascar decides to pull everything back then too. So we're all sitting around and they callahan he just works up street here. he comes in he's like. We need to go. Kart track. Do you mean I got a couple of flat cards. I've been playing in my yard I. said You know me and Darryl talking about or while so let's do it. So, I quit together. We have a good neighbor over here. Next door shop esque truck got the POB Kathy. Let's Floro my parents have a little piece of land cleared a long time ago I was like. All right it's time burn pile cleaned up that out of the way you know let's do that and then then another friend of mine are still journals his daughter races modified also with Peyton he's like, Hey, I, got this other piece of equipment. So it was just one of those big joint efforts all of us got together in this believe it or not from when we started moving dirt to into the that Sunday we were on the go carts in one day. it wasn't perfect by no means but then every can we race eight weeks great. Every weekend we just made it better. Philips Komo or Darrell came. We kept working and working and making it faster and better and Rain turned into what is actually test track. Now a friend of our DJ PAL each coming over this weekend just test. So he can go to the capital city a couple of weeks. It's awesome. I think you call it white when he why? WHY WHITE WHY? Anyway. The away. Yeah. No I think it's it's one of those things in and then I was like you know let's get my wife involved because she had not much to do since there's no racing. So she started on the promoting and making it look good. It was just a group of Kenner twelve racers. They got fun on Saturday. For a little while now, I think I. Think we need to do a racing Virginia podcast video feature this White Oak speedway that you're speaking of right now. Brandon needs a car. You Got, twenty. We actually that's what we have. We have extra cards there for people that just want to show up and and have some fun. You telling me we had We have Sergio Kanye show one weekend we. Invited other people. So we're GONNA have some fun with it over the summer, and especially this fall when racing slows down, we're going to get back at. Yes seat. Brandon had a A. Alternative, motive. Bad. You know having A. Video for for race in Virginia, he wants to be in that video. Absolutely. Yeah you talk about people who just want to show up you're talking to people who just want to show up. Absolutely, by the way, do you notice when? He when he talks about Arca and his road race in he sounds excited. Yeah. But when we switched over to backyard, go Cardi, it went. It went through the roof excitement. I mean and you know I thought it was cool. Because Space Board actually did an article on this on track back. Quality annoyed. Awesome. All article in it. It's just wanted to show because we know a couple of people out Minnesota that had a little backyard track. I. Think Lying from after hours down here in Richmond had one you know and and it was just US racers that WANNA race. Couldn't. figure out a way to race you know, and that's just how it is the apt I'm telling you willing I'm thinking that you could. You I mean I know you got ten or twelve on a regular base, but I bet. Easily with a couple of phone calls the Ryan. Burrow and and and a couple other people you could probably have a field of twenty plus carts. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely you know and we're keeping them to the stock Harbor Freight Motors you know go by hundred bucks voter. Now, we do have to make sure that these motors can stay kind of legal You know how racers are. So you know I'm just as bad I. You know I have a little bit of weight on everybody tried to make sure I carry myself trashy. TV keep up with avian and. Stuff like that. Yeah. A. Little bit more left side wait. That's all. Right. Man We can't thank you enough for taking some time out of your schedule. At work to spend some time with us, you know our goal here is to introduce folks drivers to the to the rest of the world, not just Virginia, but the rest of the world that they might not know of I mean. Yeah You know you've been human race in Arca for twelve years. I had no idea. Yeah, and it's one. Those things were a one to two to three race a year Kinda tune because when we go after, we want to one hundred, ten percents You know that's one of the things to you know and then with my wife into the media side especially with this new tick tock after come out, it's really been able to show the backside of our team and what we're doing and things like that you know. And I. Thank you thank you from for me to your wife to you guys at at Dominion too because she she sent me a facebook message the before their opening night with fans and I came down and and. The hospitality there and the facility there is just phenomenal. So thank Dianna from from me. I think there in person but but yeah, it was just it was just phenomenal the the the action and the in the facility there. What what? What is the Tiktok is it mullen tracing. I can't remember. It's I think it's on. Dinah Mohan. Of her personal? Yep, it's her personal, but it's all behind the scenes put into what we're doing. You know get into the track it's the small team. It's it's a lot simpler to find little simple videos like that. Now with Tiktok so it works great showing these one minute little video I think you're next race card needs to be a dirt late model. I'd love to run anything dirt. I've been on dirt a couple times I got to go to Minnesota one time and. WAS IT Zoo modified it was IMC as little modified is pretty cool. We went and tested. It was actually. So my father in law a vintage dirt car. There turning laps on a Saturday and this guy comes over to me and says, Hey, you WANNA get my dirt modified and I, was like you don't even know. He's like Oh my not worried about it. So this guy was maybe a hundred and fifty pounds soaking wet. So I had to try myself down into a seat, but I wasn't going to turn that down you know. Anything was a motor racing. Folks, you can follow me mullins racing dot net on facebook. He's mullins. Racing on twitter he's at mullins underscore racing I didn't need an instagram. I do more dinosaurs. So you know she moaned racing. Has All that stuff? So usually, if you go to our website, you can link right to all that stuff. So if anybody has any questions or things like that, they can get a hold of Mir dining through our website and. We have cards that we send out all the time. Anybody's welcome to get those so. Hit US off or. Address champion Baloup and we'll get a garum by the way I wanted to say that the that her her tiktok is Dina, the I. N. A. H. M. Moans and yours my friend is he knows it. Already. Got It. On it Willie mullins dot three. And they combine they have over fifteen hundred followers. Or twenty thousand likes and some really cool stuff on there. So. I. Believe it or not our best my best twenty, Darrell putting fuel in the car. We almost have a million views on that one video. So you know we we definitely do stupid videos, but we also have some serious. Well, if anybody knows tiktok it's very stupider. Yes. Very stupid and stupider videos get the most likes. Absolutely thank you so much for taking some time out of your schedule to be with us man and we look forward to talking to you again. All right. Thank you very much. Appreciate you have me on there but. He is. He is who is he? He is Willie mullins. I heard it'd be be. But. I know what that was. That was just I. Don't know it just. It's Monday morning man. Oh No. Actually. He was good. He he is sad. Never talked before he he's a phenomenal guy really is. And it's funny I. Didn't know who he was at the time I would have been rooting for him instead of Michael Self at the end of. You know we we got a lot of guys that are kind of behind the scene and that's the kind of stuff we want to do here. Know that's the same thing you want to do here and promoting drivers that really don't. Look di Diana does a great job of promoting him. But I mean I bet around racing here in the state of Virginia for a long time and over thirty years. And I didn't know you ran ARCA. Yeah I had no idea twelve years. Yeah. Twelve I mean he's been doing for twelve years. But. We I'm telling you what these shows are getting better and better every year. Really I mean every year every week every. Every year to I mean, this is year three. And we need your help folks. You know we tell you at the end all the time. But the one thing you need to always remember is if you have a suggestion, please send it to us at Info at Racing Virginia Dot Com. That's Racine Virginia. Info at Racing Virginia Dot Com. That's unfortunate that he doesn't. He's not GonNa get to run the the Daytona road course that ARC ARC is running it, and he you know obviously on on that type of track. driver with his experience could make a make a better run out of possibly what the car is going to give them on that track and I would have loved to have seen that. Yeah and Opportunity, you know once you know like he does I mean he finished second. But. He's always been that kind of if you look back at some of his videos. And even this last race. For ARCA. He stays at trouble. He, the car comes home in one piece so I mean that's what you need. That's what you build on. As. We so aptly said earlier in the show Mr Brown there is that we're going to have. The. Winner of the twelfth annual. Hampton heat at Larry King Laws Langley speedway. Of course he is from Chesapeake Virginia he is the driver of the number. Oh. Three old school video games and more car covered dot com Ford Mustang. He is Brendan Butterbean Queen. WHAT'S UP BUTTERBEAN? Hey thanks for having me. For a great full, we get talk and we talk Hampton Heat. Let's let's talk nickname because this probably the show I don't I don't know any other buddy engineering. Not Personal as one of my favorite vegetables. Yeah. But how how did you come up with that nickname? Pretty much when I was born. I was fat and Chubby. and had blond hair I look like the boxer Butterbean and. ever since then it And then my friends found out about it and then schools calling me by that in class, and then I ended up putting it on race car and. It's Kinda brand now like you know in the racing world when you think of that name, you know I'm the only one out there so. That makes it nice. The the. As Marketing Guy and I know brand is thinking the same thing and there's so much apparel you could come up with Oh yeah. Oh, it's It's been crazy. We've actually branded a lot of my logo and stuff to it. It looked like bean skoll and a couple of other things. You know let's let's talk a little bit about. Your, your history. You know you started off in, go karts kind of went to the. The Mini Mini Cup cars and you went to legends and then you went into too late models that you know you literally climbed that ladder to get too late models. Her you know I, started running on. Go Kart. And we had a lot of success thing. We ran three seasons and won three championships over thirty races. We didn't move up to winter we went we knew we were going to go to legend cars but in a winter, we had an opportunity to drive an arena car in coliseums around Virginia. And that was. Quite, an experience we had you good run there and get season, and then that's what propelled into legend cars. Eason's where we you know one. bucks races a southside one one at Langley and You know got a championship in a State Championship. And then it was time to go with the big boys after that and when you move up from the little stuff to. The Big Boys you know how that goes. It's a lot lot more money. A lot more time and a lot harder to win. So, we've been running late models since. Two, thousand thirteen. And the six in the model has. I mean you kind of creeped up on this I mean you you start I mean I don't think anybody gets a late model mean most everybody and probably ninety nine point nine percent of the people. You don't win on your first time and you'd probably eat a lot of times. You don't even win and your first season. You've really grown in that late model and I've been able to watch you at Langley and some other tracks around Virginia and even North Carolina. And you know the your success level is starting to to really match I think what you want it to be. Well, I kind of got spoiled my first rate rain You'll never forget your first and. It was eight, hundred, fifty race it Langley. And with new pavement and You know a lot of good cars I qualified third out of our many were there. You know about twenty I would say. And actually finished four and I'm like man. Crates Start and and I mean everybody was. Talking to me and everybody's like. Man You're GonNa win one of these days quick and I'm like. Okay. Well I come back the next week and we run four again and I'm like my. Or Right. There you know and and it went for like weeks of. Wreck in the nose awful. Warn powered up and. Then, the car got not. You know to get not out or something gets back. Then it's like we're trying to make sure everything's right and. We're running horrible running in the back and then. They'll warren comes along at the end of the year and we get paired together and Like I I went in the Martinsville driving for Larry Nelson now to Richmond and finished seventh. My first year at Martinsville was really really awesome just to make race was my only goal. And then you know for Myrtle beach is stuff we got hooked up with so Warren and warned bill ever since premium mold men and what I am now. and. He's been a big part of. You know helping me mature as a driver on and off the track and. I mean, we got that championship at Twenty Sixteen together but you know our biggest downfall is Langley everybody's like. Won So many races crew chief for default, and you know your heart went, and so you know what's the problem and like. Different technologies, different cars, different. I mean competitions gotten really really hard and. You know we're not the biggest seen by any means, but I will say. You know from last year to this year got some newer metal under US and and you're car and. I mean. It makes a difference and I've only ran it twice this year opening night at Langley, and then the heat but I mean already I mean second race in this car and we won the biggest race of the season lane. So it's just amazing. Well, we might as well transition to any. He'd women. One your career. Best. Event I mean in the Hampton heat and I I don't know if I've talked to Brian Brandon about this before but you know Langley's a hard track to get around If you talk to a lot of guys in it, you know it's flat but they it almost feels like it's bank the opposite way. and. It I'M GONNA. Tell you Langley we. We were having this conversation Rodney over there. Saturday morning had some guys that pitched in to help me out this weekend and. I said this is the hardest trat we raised that and I remember riding through the tunnel on the way there I'm like. There's no place like as I was like you go anywhere else and you might not win but I swear it's way easier to drive. Yeah you know if you can pass it. Langley. And another track southside speedway in our backyard. Oh Yeah if you can pass it those tracks most drivers will tell you you can pass anywhere. Because they're probably two of the hardest tracks tags get to the outside or you know then like South Boston, you know that's bank you know the other tracks are fairly easy to get to the outside if you if you got a car setup but south side I, don't care if you got a perfect setup. That outside is tough. Oh, yeah for sure I I. Mean I never ran a late model southbound, I've watched them and I've heard stories. But I even ran a legend Carter and it was still a little boring for them. You know. Well, the Hampton go ahead Brandon I. Know You got you got. He's percolate up there on top I was there I'll i. was there I saw. Well, if if you remember I was the guy that asks you to do that video in victory. Lane? On the cell phone. So I was helping them out with with social media and I WANNA I We'll. We'll get to the we'll get to the move and we'll get to the wind but I want to earlier in the race because you said your car was tight. You couldn't get up there with those top for their quite a quite fast enough to do it but what what changed, and then what helped you get up there into position I looked at actually look at scoring this morning and we go back to nineteen at one point and I seriously thought are shot at it was over. I was telling you big laying we were. Definitely tight but I think. that. I never lost my drive off and drive off important there that even if you're. But you can get the gas down You know when the tires get burn up. That's that's how you win that place. So we actually work. We were GONNA it on that one hundred naked justice it. When I was running nineteen and then we had that caution I think we went from nineteen all the way back in the top ten on the outside by passing them on outside and that kind of changed our race that put us back. Attention. I feel like that. gave me life back in the race card gave the team life. And I'm like. We can't pick is we cannot give up the track position again. So we waited to one fifty made a few small adjustments. 'cause we we didn't really know how much we needed to justice. We passed all those cars but at the same time I'm thanking God do something because we're not good enough but. We went back green and car still wasn't any better was about the same. And just made sure on the restarts I pick the right line and every restart seemed like we would gain a spot or so and eventually we got in the top five and like. It's getting close now. I think tweeted that out because. They're getting about twenty laps to go the caution started coming and then you were six and then you were fists and then you're forced an that's when I tweeted. Hey, Butterbean has joined the party. So where you know? How how were you able? You say you pick the right line but to tell the listeners like what does that mean? Exactly what were you doing to get up there? Well, you can't give up a row on restart. That means is you have to take top. I. Want to like, say you're eight and. It lines up like it. WOULDA. For double file restart instead of saying on the bottom being. And that guy that was running your eight spot even though it's on outside, you just lost the route. So now, basically, if you take a restart. And caution comes out immediately that guy is gonna hit your spot ahead of you because he's already ahead of you at the line. So it's like my father's counting the cars out and it's like we gotta take shortest line every restart ear. Whether it's the top to bottom. And you know the good Lord was on our side I mean can't Wendy's races without him and. He helped Make sure every line win for me and we were in the right spot and gotTa. Have a little luck on your side and it seemed like every restart we would. Nose. Ahead of the guy and cost would come out and we day in that spot and that's kind of how we played out. You know where we went on the region. With about fourteen to go. The top four guys were pretty much under a blanket. Corey hyme and Connor Hall were or battling for first and second. Any Payton. then I mean you had Danny and being you know Brandon Brandon you you were battling if we pay. We peyton sellers that, and then then it was. Danny Edwards. You know with about fourteen to go I mean it felt almost looked like the week to two weeks prior. To Racing but it was first. Third and fourth. But I will tell you this. We've said it at the top of the thing and I know I know for a fact Phil Warn. On that restart where you went three wide. I know Phil warn taken that. Shot. It looked like the bottom was open in with allowed you to get to the inside talk about that. Go ahead. I was I was going to set them up for anybody who didn't see it. So we're going to go We got Connor Hall, and Corey Haim on the front row. Of course, course on the inside there they they had been the two best cars all night long. And odor beans they're sitting in third third place salivating salivating. So And and he you got the perfect restart and you took a shot on the bottom and went three one. Take us from there. You know I've I've done before and gotten a lead and but haven't gone the Ray. I finished second half. Didn't he? So close to win and you could taste it opening night. I'll lose by what a lap lead the white flag and so saw pretty much. I'm going through all these thoughts in my head. Finished, second in the hat and the heat before I've done this move three one before and got the lead but I haven't won have it pulled it off and then I'm thinking tonight came on lap store. So thoughts go through my mind leading up to it and I'm like man, you know we gotta do something here been watching the restarts all night, and in the seventy eight was definitely you know probably classes a field in any seven right there within. But. Coming to the restart every time and seventy eight with slow down and then start rolling back up before we got to the start line, we don't have a box. And I mean he did it every restart he didn't ever change it up. So. They're worried about each other the last three or four restarts I mean they're leaning on each other and I both said, they weren't each other for the win but I mean there was times they were sideways. You know I don't know if you saw that or not. But. So I'm watching it and so. When we take a restart. The seventy eight to me look like he was. Content with worrying about the seventy seven and I don't think any thought I even had a chance. And when we got into the flag stand, it was either run in the back of the seventy eight or. Or duck low and when I do. I'm like, okay. You know if I'm in there and we'll take it if not, I'm okay. Well I look over and we're door to door before we get into corner and I'm like and I'm I'm definitely committed now. and. It's You know we're in there so. We go down to the corner and. Initially. I thought. Maybe, it was more on my end, but I've watched replays now and I don't. I don't feel as bad about it because. When we hit doors, we were dead eating when we doors and. Seventy, seven and. Obviously I would have much rather raise some stop for to win. But at same time man, it's the Hampton he and. I was on the bottom and I definitely. I definitely had position. I, want him get down in there and You know you're talking about bad being on the bottom in door to door I when I look at it from. An is that weren't there. fulltime but looking on different video angles and photo angles and everything else. I just feel like Corey Heim you know. The seventy eight did not expect you to be there. Oh I I think too I think like I said I think he was so worried about seventy seven. That's got to be that he was I wasn't driving his car, but I think he was going to go in there low high though to kind of keep him up and then I'm in the corner. And I mean I know He. Eight as a heck of a spotter spot and forum and I'm sure he knew I was GonNa to I'm sure he called me down there but. It was just like. Maybe when to seventy eight turn back to protect I was already there, and that's when we and and then he bounced off of me and hit the seventy seven and. then. You rest was history really but. I you know. A I got a lot of A. Lot, alone But at the same time. You know. Anybody would have done it at the real want the Windows Racist I. Mean I've Seen I've seen worse. Well, that was the thing with me because I was watching it live standing at the start finish line from the infield and you know as you go down in the corner, you guys past those safety trucks you can't get a real good view from the Infield of exactly what happened so as coming out of the corner, you see the two, the two cars had been upfront all night sitting in sitting over in the corner and you come out of it and the initial reaction from say fans or people who were in infielders all man he dumped him. But when you go back and watch it, you had position. So you can kind of understand the 'cause like I mean Brennan. At at Langley a lot of times you gotta put a little bumper on. Yeah. You know the guy in front of you to try to maybe get him little loose moving track a little bit. You didn't do it i. mean there was no there there. So the initial reaction I can't understand. But after you sit back and watch, you gotta be like he just he made it he made the perfect move look phil worn would have made it move Whitney Butterbean. Oh I'll hundred percent I mean he was coaching me up on radio and And Win, I did when I did it I asked so I said man I said was that dirty he goes. He's like man he's like urine there. Don't worry about it and and and obviously they were mad but I see I think they were more math because. You, know. I was the last card expected. To have anything to do with it. But at the same time, like you said, it's not like I went in there and routed them up the left rear or hit him in the back. I mean, we door to door in it it wasn't like an say bond bottom. I. Didn't enter the corner any harder than I had all night and and you know eventually. Room and We hit on the replay off the door to door and there's a picture getting in the corner connors actually half a car ahead of Corey and Corey and I are dead even Yup that's and then corey and Corey Connor and the left rear and I don't want anybody to think I'm gluten or bashing them interview at all because I'm not but but I never mad at me. And I just. I I don't. They almost got to be mad at at each other 'cause they didn't even. Car took the top on the restart. And put his so you know on the top. And you could've stayed third to you know. I mean I would have the top and I would have been in his position and I know he would have seen him do the three. Million Danny, he he did. He did it the Danny and I last year one night. And You know we've all done it. We've all learned that move but. You know it's not like I went in there and just dump them, and that's why I don't. I don't feel as bad I. Mean they wanted to fight obviously they were mad and they were mad at him get to the rear but I was told you did nothing wrong about officials. They left the bottom. What I told, Brandon About arena up brandon started they said at Langley if you anywhere if you leave the bottom open Someone's GonNa. Take Yeah, and he took it. and. That's like it's like you look back to opening night man I uh. I didn't laid a bumper to Danny and we had a great clean race for it and a lot of respect and. That you know I felt so bad for Danny and that deal because he. He had to stop and lost track position but then he was one of the first people to come down my kids and congratulate me now if I would roughed him up the week before and then this happened that probably wouldn't happen but people are like man we lost a lot of back because you ran so clean the week before and then you did this and I'm like Same time these people never been sitting in a race car for ten grand on the line a Crown Jewel eight mile race that I have added to my resume now. that. Put me in a different legacy of winning that would name the win that race. I will always have that down as a race. I've one now. In Some tracks you know I'd Virginia Motor speedway f you stop to avoid. Hitting somebody in a caution, you're giving your position just it's a rule that is depending on what track you go to laying Langley's the rule they have is if you stop, you're involved, you're in part of the caution. So I mean. I would have liked to have seen hey, you stop to avoid trashing somebody's car and your. Own and you were smart enough to do that to go ahead and give you your spot back. And but but again, that's up to Langley and that's up to other tracks. I mean Virginia Junior speedway where I work fulltime if you stop. And don't hit anything. To avoid caution you get your spot that now. Okay. So you know we talk we talked about this this this move that got you the wind, but there was another restart after that I mean. We've forget I. Forgot, that part. So there's another restart you get a two lap shootout and you're starting I and you got paid sellers who had had one of the best cars all night on your outside and when everybody knows how good he is take us through that you you cleared him pretty pretty well and won by a car length or too. Yeah it's it's actually funny Peyton and I were up each other up getting there and. I was definitely worried because I'm like if he gets. US. and. Already, he had already used up pretty good a couple of months before that. So I'm thinking to myself. That I gotta get a bathroom thought of my life I mean, the hat and heat I taste is now you know we're we're leading and. I. Get through the years. Good. Make sure I don't tires and. Once, we get on the backstretch. Pretty, good gap and then we took the white I had a really really good gap and I ran my fastest lap or lap two or three of the race. That's that's pretty amazing. And You know for me the run. Two three I said man, it's GonNa Clean. Air Is what I thought of Clinton. At the same time, you know when we took the checkered I, mean I had. Five six carling on second they got a racing. That thing was was out front and check out and. Back. And told me no pressure buddy to get back around here. I by are. We really going to win and things like? It's like you know I've dreamed of winning that race for years and then so close then it's like. It just. Didn't feel real and you take the chequered and I'm just trying to soak it in because you know never rush your victory lap because. That's your moment. That's your moment to reflect, and you never know when one's GonNa be and for me to win again at Langley considering my first win, I had a little bit of advantage with pressure. And I wanted to prove everybody that I could win at Langley without an advantage. Without fresh tires and we got it done and. and. We got it done in the biggest race so. We're not too off my bucket list right there. It you know. The one thing that we've been talking with the drivers about is this covid nineteen pandemic this this got to make this when even sweeter because it's it has been really rough on the tracks on the driver's the teams that that race in one race every week but they haven't been able to do it because of the. covid nineteen restrictions so this has got to be maybe even loose wieder. I think I'm the only winner of the big of a big race this year. So that's pretty cool. leading the triple crown standings right now. You know. You know today we unload today and we go back to work and you can't live in the past but there's a regular. We enjoy being the heat winner for another years though that's That's the part about winning a big race. You gotta a whole year. The winner. But. We're not done. We WanNA win. We WanNA win more races. This year we WANNA win. We want to win the championship at Langley back to. Keep the warns record intact. I can't let I cannot let Dania Greg Time. Yeah. It's GonNa be a good battle. You know the one thing i. I enjoy is every year your your new. Paint or decals game because he's got the video. Old School video and Games all the numbers are pixellated or have been. An any he's had I think what you've had Mario on there before had some other game characters. Yeah. That's always fun. Yeah. It's been cool having Mario on the left side and crash bandicoot on the right side of kind of gives the younger generation and then older generation something look at and then we had one year we had. Donkey Kong on the back down barrels competition but. The only. The only bad thing about the need is my new supposed to be here today and asked to have everything on the match to car but I didn't have it in time but old school video game they started sponsor me when I was fifteen. So I was a kid still and probably still a kid at heart but. Having a video game sponsor how cool was that? Good good to promote the kids. It gets kids involved naturally. And what I? What stands out to me is in a I played. When I was five years old and Mario's recognizable to. Everybody in the pits and in the stands and stuff and your car if you just come to your very first race and you're looking for a car to root for that car stands out beyond any other cars that are on the track. So that's what stood out to me the first time I saw your car. Yeah I can't think I call them seeing being being notion. Daughter being banned except Butterbean Butterbean fans are die hard fan i. like being nation you need to make some bean nations. Hashtag be nation on everything you do and you need some nation t shirts. Yeah. I might be get on that especially after y'all said that it's been crazy amount of support from the fans. I've got I mean I messages this week. people like I picked you to win because you're you know my first race ever. I saw your car and you know this amount of people that come down and want t-shirt the racist because they love the car they loved the nickname and the kids love to caller. Definitely. I'm telling you right now but are being which you need is you need to get somebody to cartoon up a Butterbean but a mean looking butterbean you know. Just? All. Yeah. Eggs and Seriously being nation and you ought to have some little facemask done. You know. Be Fun hang nation. Odd to get butter buttery, he does a lot of my design stuff. I'm. Going to have to call and talk to him about it as well because I think you need a little cartoon Butterbean and I'm serious you could you could really talk this into something. No I'm looking you I. I'm telling you. It's we actually have We have butter being coloring book for kids. Let's go free. We have you know. All kinds of like the the coloring book has pictures from Victory Lane pictures of my logos offers and making colored in but. The kids love it and. You get that brand going. It's crazy. You can sell anything as long as it's got your name and logo on it. Well we want to call you kind of you know talk about the Hampton heat a little bit more also congratulations on winning the twelfth annual Hampton Heat. I mean look for for small teams. Ten thousand dollars goes a long way. Help Her Body will ever know. Folks he is your two thousand and twenty covid. Nineteen Hampton heat winner, they should've called the nineteen Hampton. Yeah. He is, of course, Brendan, Butterbean Queen You can find him on facebook at Brendan, Queen, racing on twitter at at over three Butterbean, an instagram at butterbean underscore three. He got it. I. Got them all so. Relations again, my friend and we look forward to talking to you later in the season. I. Thank you all again, man means a lot. See Bob. Man I'm GonNa. Tell you. He's a he's a cool kid. Yeah. Who would have thought get thirty minutes of somebody that was a good area interview. Yeah absolutely. You know there's a lot I'm I'm just GONNA say there's a lot of things you can cut out and make the little things. You could probably get twenty add that. Oh. Yeah. Easily like I wrote down some of the stuff that I wanna hit on later Sam. Gets. It's always good stuff it is really is. This show. Know we get to talk to some some newer drivers that we've never talked to before, and I who are known that he would be that good at an interview really is A. Really good. Interview. So guess who guess who we've got. Who you got I got a text back. Oh Yeah Tell us. And You know what time it is right Brandon. It's story time with Randy Hall Man. Lord I. Love that. Music Oh. I know you do. Now. We just gotTa get something to put on top of it introducing. By the way. Ran A you get a brand new logo coming here real short. I mean we're getting. We're going to decide this week on which which logo we're GONNA use for you. That's what we like. Let's let's have it making look good at. This, week's column folks on the race. In Virginia Dot Com website is catching up with Quinn Quinn Hof health health health have. And, of course. then. He goes and he becomes the conversation in Nascar. Well you. Know Tell me again what what, what? What you're saying, I'm US well, you know there's there's there. You know there's a Brad Kazlauskas saying that you know guys that cause issues on the tracks you know you should be demoted I guess back to. Expand any or Arca or something like that. Yeah. Our our personal. Feeling on that is that if you did that you and have nobody in Nascar. Very subjective on. Thrown into other series. Right, it's It sounds it sounds logical and when we think about. Your now think how many times Gordon, crashed out before before he doing I mean. Yeah. Pretty pretty rough go of his rookie year. And and think about the. The problems that that his laskey because when he was. You know finding way. it's it's a tough judgment call. And look who knows How You know how somebody's GonNa turn out and I? Mean, I, mean, we got this. Running back in a car that runs the back I mean. You know nobody's GonNa Nobody's going to put that car up front. And and. If you. You. You would be causing all the time. And Clinton Clint House is not causing us all the time walking. Racing against. You know other grabbers hearing about trying to run in the way. And he's doing okay he he made a mistake yesterday. No doubt about everybody makes them. Right when he knows evening and That's the way it goes I. mean you know it's. Circumstances real demoting sooner or later if he can't drive right and for and it didn't order to. Yeah. I told Brandon you know. If you don't do well and you a bunch of equipment, you're the person that has their owns the car that you're in unless it's your own family team. Angle. Take but so many times and it's going to be you know somebody else in that car I mean we've seen it before. But we need to hit we I've been waiting this since you we talked we talked earlier in the week. You need to tell us about Baxter price. Well Baxter. Actually it's a very different sort of financial situation Quinn, house counselor comes from a family that owns a trucking business, nothing wires playing Virginia and and there, and sure they will off enough to contribute to the project and all that to to help. Finance the team to some extent although he's also quincy. Shark. Kidding. Sponsors Green. So. So he's got, he's got. Sponsor backing. And and we'll have think without without probably. On social media got on a think firm attack of all people are great. Great long time sponsor for NASCAR. Until Well Baxter Price. With was at the back of the pack and and this is this is back in the seventies and and he was he was. You know he was he was not a young kid with with. Terrific. Social skills. He was just a a mechanic from Monroe North Carolina and he he loved the sport wanting to get in the sport. And owned his own car and. Eat. Book. secondhand and and came up here in Richmond. was his first race in seventh nineteen three. And he came to. Richmond. And he was a field of twenty eight cars so. I'm sure. Glad to have him and everybody else who showed up. And Get started in the race. And September, right. This is the first event ever in copy disturbing a little bit of Of grand national each. And so there he was. and. He made it for. Like three laps on fourth, he's already getting. Lapped. And it gets crossed up. and. Somebody hits him. and. He goes sideways and whoever else go sideways you know they'll Fraser's nowhere to go. We'll. There was literally like nowhere to go because turn four was jammed. Two cars went sideways in the court and in the Richmond half-mile. Was not very wide and it was nowhere to go and here comes the field. and. Bam. Bam. Bam. One car after another crashes in there. And I'm not sure who's WHO's Is, fuel sale went I. Think it was I think it was back prices. And And all of a sudden there's a huge fire. And this is bad. So cars burning up and Baxter's getting out of his car and people are scrambling out of their. SCAR. Baxter. GETS BURNT nobody else got hurt very much at all think maybe Bill Champions Ford got in there and hurt his wrist or something like that but factor got burned. Like second second degree burns. And face and so. But they get him out. And I mean you know? It's funny I read later that they never had actual red flag over. The race because it's anything. But it was like. They didn't red flag so that everybody could work on the cars got some of the cars back in the race or they have already. But. Anyway I actually had to go to the hospital took him over. DMC, the burn year. and. You would have been he would have been hurt but okay except that. Turns out he was allergic to penicillin or whatever they gave him. And done you're killing. He. He. Just. He barely made I mean they they had to scramble. To keep back through. So I went over there. You know just. Just to report you know and back during their he was and I mean, you know they they had. The hand the. Kept him alive by then and but but I you know got discovery of. I want to close at works or Baxter and so on and so forth and that meant to. Talk with him and you know wrote him up and. So on. So. I stayed in touch with them a little bit as time went by because he was he was my baxter he was you know the guy. And then in that and nearly nearly. Illit Richmond. So. Whenever you know he'd show up at the track I talked to him and and NASCAR. You know he was always in some old car member bill. Was the chief at the time. Of One race or some kind of violation and I got all over. Gatherings and what are you doing this? You know wh, why aren't you weren't your? Cooking. Richard Petty's are closely and has always you know these old cars are. Going to is like. honeysuckle thick. You never know what you'll find. And so on and so forth. I was always kind of talking to him and. It took until nineteen seventy, seven Baxter. Took him seventy seven to get back to Richland So, he comes back and seventy seven. and He. Told me was comedy and this just again, the September race. All that time going back and he comes back to the September race in seventy seven. And by then there are other people around me who who know him. And And we? You know we got to talking about it. Will you know here's Baxter who his own car he never has sponsor because. You know if he did it was. Some tiny little. Somebody's garage you know and. We had. Let's let's. Let's. Let's do something and one of my friends said, let's let's just everybody sign up. And I think we I think it was twenty bucks a shot. When we? Write our names on on his own the hood on the on the on the project. And So we're got around. And I think I did a story about that that they were GonNa, do it and I don't know probably. Oh. Probably. Hundred Fifty Two hundred people at twenty bucks a pop. And I don't know twelve gun on it through a hundred bucks or something like that and. So so there was a little bit of money probably the best sponsorship. Baxter to ever had. and. We we just sort of took him under our wing. that weekend. then. Took care of him and and and this was this was I mean he was he was overcome. We couldn't believe that people being selective and yeah, you know back at Richmond. So we're up on you. and. Then ripping was still as long time for became a three quarters, there's still half-mile. and. So. Baxter ball a an extra satire. And so I'm GonNa do you know easily just you know just make the right and take a last life money or close to it He, he gave it everything head. What well, I'd be happy to say. That, you know it was a it was a miracle. He had a top ten and. You. But in fact, he crashed out love mercy. He lasted like three hundred, sixty laps of the four hundred. And land caught a piece of the wall and that was that and and He. He went on to. The race for for several more years. But he you know he never had a top ten I don't think He he was twenty you. At the end is returned to Richmond. And and scroll that. But. Here's here's the fun part. We. We had a picnic a cookout for them. Again it was just you know always people I Howard. what was his name Jesse? Fumes for for Guinea Lady. Was was painted Dunlavey car you know the names and the and the and all the. That was back with. Wraps it's put on a car paint it. And Games was the guy when he could he he painted. Getting got five more names than he would come over and he would. You know that was his contribution doing all the painting. But So we just took care of Baxter. And we had this big cookout on on Saturday night. And it was you know people were just bringing a beings it was. Dish that sort of thing. But all we had was like. Hot Dogs and. The that the day before. I was you know giving a hey, come on out to the to the holly farms. Chicken processing plant on staples mill. Because they were GonNa have a pressing for. Tale Yarborough. Hale was driving for junior Johnson Holly. Farms. Sponsored him. So. He was out there. You know doing a meet and greet with the with the employees and making game and and that was fine when he was there and I went out there and see them and. When they were when they were done, you know had driven around in a in a forklift and. All that had a little fun with such out there. When when they were done with that the the holly farms chief of the plant. Came up to me and handed me. Big Of. Of Chicken breasts. I, mean, you know I could barely carry things along wide box. and. Normally I would have said, oh no, you know. I'm. Thank you very much but you keep you give it to somebody else. But I just thought you know. I. Think I think I've got a use for this. So I think I took it. And I took it to the folks who were having a cookout. And we went and bought us some burkey sauce and we had one terrific cookout compliment junior Johnson our. Wars. S and it was it was luxury I. Mean we we just laid it on the. And Had A had a good time of it. Again Baxter. gave it. All he had. He probably was running. Top fifteen maybe even get close up in which he. Never, got in his in his whole career. I'm not liking it was it was a You know it was beyond. I mean, look, that's what happens with some people. You you. There doesn't mean he was not necessarily all that bad a driver. He. was just never. In a in a position. To to do any more than that I mean you know leap tennis what I'm just looking at twenty I in that Reggie wrecked twenty first of the. Twenty or so that we're in the race. And in in his career. which lasted until like eighty one. He drove ninety races and you never had a top ten. he he made five hundred bucks in in the in the US. You know in in the. Night. An addition to the to the grand or whatever it was that we raise for. But. I mean he he was going to be at the back of the field. Know. That's just the way it is for some people you you were so glad to be able to raise. And that's the way it was back. He just he loved the sport. I think he he's stuck with it and we're still mechanic for many years after that. Live down in Monroe said he was right there with where all the teams are. And and you know it was just it was his wife screen when he when he lived in. So for Baxter. I don't I don't put queen in that category because when top House when House once you go places to. Get better and have a better rod. Make more of this ride and I think you can I if you will. Or. But right now he's he is the. Target. For everybody WHO's got a complaint he's he's. You know he made a mistake. There's no doubt about it. But sometimes you make mistakes everybody does and he's he's he's a rookie. And he's GonNa. Make a few most of the time he doesn't he. You know he's back there racing for twentieth. Any racist hard for for whatever wherever he can race sport but he's not gonNA. You know he's not gonNA. Not GonNA run up front. And the main thing is to. Keep his nose clean stabbed away. and. That's you know that's the way it is and I think one of the if you're a driver, you'll tell you if you got a you know one of the slowest cars in the field, one of the hardest things that you can do is to. Constantly be getting out of the way a of folks who are faster than you. Sure it is. and. because. There you weren't. You really are rising I mean. You can call somebody a stroke all you want to but everybody out there on that track race somebody else you know there there's somebody you WanNa race and somebody you WANNA be in position to get get around and get. into hold. Him Back. And while you're doing that then here comes somebody laughing you and maybe laughing you again and and you can't. You know you know you can't be getting in their well. So so You got to give up whatever advantage you got on the other guys running twenty second. Twenty third. And you might have been writing flashing, but you can't do it like you gotTa let somebody. In. A very hard thing. Yeah. I went to a lot of these bigger teams are are more season drivers I. I don't know if they understand it or not. Maybe I'm sure they do. But the sport. Needs those final. Ten fifteen cars if you don't have those guys that can't don't normally run up front. You won't be I. Mean You don't have a race main there's just not enough cars to do it. I mean it's always been one. Yeah. Yeah. It's always been like that I mean, it doesn't matter what in what time Frame that you're talking about you know even a short tracks. You still need those guys that are F-. Fifteenth on back. Because they're they're the ones, they're the ones that fill the field out and make it. Make it a great race, and they also are the ones that make. That come every once in a while they'll you know they'll get a win? Yeah, and then you gotTa Story. So without those guys, I think some of these guys are I mean they don't realize that they made mistakes coming up through the ranks and. It is what it is. I mean he he apologized he knows you know he knows he made a mistake and he'll learn from that. I mean like to see some of these guys that are fifteenth on back be put in a car. That can win you know that. Some of these guys are racing and equipment that no matter what they do unless the top fifteen breakout they're not winning. Sure sure and and as equally. Make six Gordon took a little while to win it, right? Yeah and he he chewed up a lot of rick equipment. is on the way to. His first race out I think he backed at no facet Atlanta. I mean he he he was he was getting attorneys. And he was fast he was quickey with quicker. You know then couldn't help you quicker than back. Price was relative to the Field Cure. because. We had great equipment. He was queuing it up I mean. You know he was he was not. You know even eating start running top not to finish anyway. And So That's what happens I mean. It takes a while you gotTa, you gotTA learn how to do it. And Doing what he can with the with the equipment and it's You know where where years right now and that's that's a he made web. was well, we want to thank you again but that's a good time at Baxter Price, the Quin how I mean that it was a great in from. In history, you know you know back in the half Mile Richmond as to now current days. That story was a great tie-in folks. If you haven't read the the column you need to go to racing Virginia, dot com, and click on the On the. Article and read all the other ones that rainy puts a lot of time and effort in these things and they're great stories. So go to the website and check them out as as. As, always rainy we can't thank you enough for. You know telling us all these stories. We'll take for him. A kick. Every Weekday Quite. Well folks he is, of course, rainy home and and that was storytime with Randy. So that's. There's always good stories that come out of this. Really are there. I think it's going to be stories to infinity because you'RE NOT GONNA we're not gonna be able to tell all of them. So I'm looking forward to what's ahead. Yes speaking of what's ahead hopefully, cross our fingers went to have a really good show next week. Yeah. Well, really I'm not GonNa say it's going to be really good to show guardless. Yes but it might have a really really famous guy. We see we shall see cross our fingers. Yeah. It's tentative. I hate that word. Tentative That word. Because it means okay we got a schedule, but he might you know might cancel last minute he. Does he does when I don't want to mention his name because if he if we can't get him this week. Look. We will get him at some point. Okay. But we are fingers are crossed because. The the guy we're talking about is tentatively. Coming on on show next week on Monday so. So. I mean. I mean, I'm telling you what really. Willie mullins. Surprised the Hell Outta me yeah. Didn't expect that interview to be like that. And we're GONNA, get your car ride. Coming with me. If, I come I don't know if I'm racing all because I'm telling you right well. Will you go into track by yourself I'm done that before I've just say Before now done that before now now we can talk Willie until like a cookout or something. You food. Now you're talking my language, we'll bring randy and Tyson farms, chicken and some barbecue. And we'll have it up right and then a printing queen better being you know it's just. That that interview I, think way better than I expected it in my head. I mean, he he articulated his side of the story absolutely perfectly for anybody who is still who is still you know mad at him or how can you say it again? And I'll say it one hundred times more. Leave the bottom open. Because, you're worried about the gown outside someone's going to take despot and he did okay, I've seen in a million times. And it not only at Langley. So when you got your shot, you have to take mean. Ten Thousand Dollars Online. Do I want to finish first or do I want to finish third? He finished I I'd rather finish I. Yeah. Okay. So as always we can't thank you enough for taking the time to listen to these interviews I know our podcast have been a little bit more lengthy than we did the previous two years it's making one of our bosses happy because he says that's a real guess. Okay, he likes. The length of it, and then of course, we can't thank you enough going to our social media channels and listening because you know brandon has been very generous. He has cut up some of these interviews and actually place the whole interview in our Social Media Channels Yup. So you know would be doing doing some more of that stuff get more involved on instagram and and just giving you places to be able to. Yeah TV. But. The other thing is, is that we're starting to see our numbers for people that follow the show on our social media starting to see our numbers go up. We can't thank you guys out there enough for that. So us a fall. Yeah. Give us a follow of an. Guy You. Go facebook, twitter, and Instagram at Racing Virginia and Youtube. All. Too is can mean, sweet. Fact. If I can if we can get it all worked out hope to have that channel up and running with with a bunch of new and old. Gal. We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA start with the new content, and then we'll add back the old content From the previous years but that's that's I. Mean we're we're on show number seventy five. That's a lot of shows to put up. So, we'll get it. We'll get it. We'll get it there my heart. We can do. We get somebody to. Lord have mercy as always for Brandon Brown. I'm Dave we say, thank you be kind to everyone stay healthy and most importantly keep race in Virginia.

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178. Documenting with Alison Spittle and special guest Eleanor Church

The Guilty Feminist

43:42 min | 1 year ago

178. Documenting with Alison Spittle and special guest Eleanor Church

"I'm a feminist bont. The other day I saw a picture of myself on stage in banks and I know I've spent three and a half years telling you that I find on spanks on feminist and constructing and I stand by that acceptance addresses and so what happened on the live tour. Is that Jenny eclair. One nine came on in Pants Bra which was passed for bid. That's part something she did in her life show but she thought funny not to tell me so when I introduced her and I said now Jimmy and class she came on and Panna Bra and I was like having that surreal moment of going to she know pop. She was in the dressing room. She heard her name she. She panicked and she run. She came out and did a sort of aerobic dance in Pants Bra. As part who said it was very funny so then I had to come out and sort of tiger out and say thank you very. Well done Jenny. Claire as the compare so I thought funny if I go out now in spanks Bra one thing led to another now. The tools have their own personality. became the only way I knew how to sell merge for Roy Oy I ended up doing a link where I was in this banks and the Bra and I had a teacher on them and I was selling the t shirts with slogans on and the idea was I would take my t shirt off and give it someone if they said they had a feminist enough job and then I would just be inspection. Lebron's that became the thing. What had not reckoned on would be people in the audience would take pictures pictures and put them on twitter? Because I felt it was something for this for us in the room. You know it was a sacred moment between us all that we agreed. I'm in my spanks. This is just for us. It's been like being with your partner. Just you in two thousand other people exact sage. We'd all made a sacred pat. Some people did not feel the impact was a sacred others and took pictures and put them on twitter nicely. They weren't doing it to be mean but I did look at the pictures and this is where my spot comes in. It's been a while coming. I'm a feminist part. When I saw pictures of myself in springs I thought? Do I need some space to go into those spanks amazing. I'm a feminist birth. Want an ardent I was given a jumper. That represents the pro choice movement two Northern Alliance for choice and the jumper has the slogan. I'm alive to across the front of the jumper and then two small the purple hands reaching up. I put it on me and because I'm a bigger lady. I realize this might not look that pro-choice from a distance Might look a bit pro-life because I look a bit pregnant and enough to small hands pointed at my belly gone. I'm alive too so I've decided to wear backwards sir. No I had not on my next Alma feminist bond and I've just just gone out of my head because this is not the one that I wanted you do. Oh so it's just gone out of my head meter. Yeah you do another one and all. We'll let it mind okay. Okay so this is the X.. Ray At one and I'm I'm sorry I remembered my now. Okay sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm a feminist but ninety percent of my career now is answering the question westerly instagram. Where did you get those glasses? Which of these big blue glasses? The answer is release Copa. She's a New Zealand designer and I keep answering cering wall tagging her in hoping because I have shared this information with so many thousands of people now that she will offer me another pair of release keep reading awesome. Because I really haven't them and she really hasn't offered feel like it's an infant of me to think that it's on feminist of her not to have recognized that I'm really doing the Lord's work for her right now and I actually. What I wanted to do is send me the same ones again in case I lose them because I will lose the mall sits on them and then that's my whole identity on now? I'm the opposite of clock end. I'm more of affirmative now where I put these on people recognize me differently. These these basic superpower. Why don't you just send a link to this episode of this? Listen six minutes in you. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Sorry go onto your X.. Rated one okay okay so because the documentary is plastic waste into see. I've got a plastic waste feminist. I'm a feminist book. Okay and have gone very shy. I'm a feminist but I don't know how to dispose of sex toys in an environmentally friendly manner. I just don't like do I hope that. Just drive up up to the recycling plant. Ask A man and he'll say oh. It's just behind a Christmas trees. I've decided to leave it up there and hope nature finds a way. I think gadgets like that are very hard to recycle. Yeah we have those in the ocean because the dolphins have enough to deal they did have someone up until Fionn once it was like a little the penis part right very small. The dolphins feed is. Let's just where the RUB is normally. Are that come up with a dolphin which made it feel Grena toy story. The the film takes there would be very grim if it was like sex toy story rampant on rampant dolphin and some anal beads. I know beads used once and they were all sitting around. Saying how Saturday's grownups don't WanNa play with them anymore because their marriage is broken up. It didn't save the marriage. Will it puts a whole new spin on woody apis. Spit on both lines for the talking talking about. This is the guilty food as the podcast in which we explore moguls twenty-first-century feminists in the hypocrisy new securities trump to mine them. I'm Deborah White with Allison Spitzer. We're talking about documenting. How are you? I'm I'm great. I'm great how are you. I'm very excited about tonight. I'm really excited tonight. Yeah a good day and it's nice to be here in the it's a beautiful building but it's not the Robert Hall so I love being the fine. We do shows they regularly normally. You're listening to this on public transport. Woah while you're driving or ironing something equally feminist. Why do I think wind? I've never I've been for years. I added something wants to hold on. I gave up on that. I don't even know if we have an I think we've got it on but now warning board all right okay. I don't have a hoosier. I just moved into a house and is no hoover what do you do. I just brushed the floor. Occasionally you like him in Victoria. Who for your birthday or is that going to be disappointing birthday present now? Let's they feminists get me a Henry Hoover. Okay but isn't it more feminist to have a man hoover because then the monster. I think it's feminists to have a women who've like with a little the late she's an apron it's eyelashes determine the difference between a male and female hoover shouldn't be eyelashes. Why does she have to have an artificial eyelashes? Because we all know that men don't possess eyelashes when it rains it goes directly into their is very irritating Patriarchy exists they're very jealous of us in our eyelashes. That's what it is they have eyelash equality. All of this will be over. Yeah Yeah we'll get paid just as much as them but only then there's a serum you can use. I'm a feminist bond. I've used a serum no for eyelashes the SARUM. It really works but if you stopped using thing it stops but it so you're saying yes. Yes no I guess they had this conversation today. Tell me more. Tell me more like to have a car taking your. I'm asking yeah. I think it's good information. He's a double agent. You see it on our son. He's clearly drunk. Shouldn't be talking to us now. Just got Puckett's levion. Yeah flashing his pockets which we don't get yeah so have you using the serum and you've stopped using the serum and then the Nashes of stopped growing using the same. No that is not a good advertisement and the Sarah serve the full. I haven't heard anything about this crash. No I'm not using it then. It was my lashes a fine line. I did have some false ones. You know those ones that you can have on put on for months. Because I was touring for months and I thought you know when you're on stage and these big houses we're paying fifteen hundred seaters so I thought if I have the fake ones for months. It'll be fine but I feel like a few on ashes fall out when they fall out. I'm not doing it again. You mean they're taking some with Yes can all me. I'd probably walking in the night. Thank God what was the spot. Eugene in Belfast. I am a feminist but I got my eyelashes at the airports tinted tinted tinted. Yes and I feel twenty percent more worthy of love. I know it's fun but I did. What you mean? Sometimes you just look in the mirror and go yeah. Yeah it's like Henrietta Hoover you know why you WanNa Henrietta. Because she's more deserving of love because of the situation that I'm feminism. You know it's like it's like I think she's more feminists it is have a female hoover. It's more firmness of a male hoover right if the avengers comes out and they got like the toys that's iron and stuff like that you'd like The Scarlett Johansson character feminism. You know sure. But that's not my job that's the makers of who is drudge and having to suck up dust us off the floor. Yeah so I think a woman should have a superior job because of the history of the Patriarchy is what I'm saying. Okay so I'm saying you get Henry Hoover and then you get a female Alexa and you put the Alexa in charge of the again. That's good Yeah Jala guilty. Famous Debra just interrupting a processing to tell you that we are coming to America Rica in January. We're starting in Boston. We've got two nights in New York. WE'RE GONNA CHICAGO. We're GONNA PHILADELPHIA. 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They're the worst thing for the environment. Obviously starbucks paper Com yes. I've never done this in some stand up for what you were looking at me and I can't stop myself go on starbucks. Paper can't will take twenty forty five minutes to degrade a CAPE COP which you every single time you go to anything now. They're gonNA have a FREAKY Cup. fucking one hundred cups from different events and I'm like they're all we're going to degrade but you do feel so smoke when you have to know I'll die of smug we've probably all will die it. Also I read an article that said that day. I found cocaine in every eel in in the Thames breath. Oh my gosh. The environment is fact fact. But how are we going to deal with all these overconfident to use took and Tory leadership conference the political also guys. I have to say that the nineties were a really horrible time when you think about had it right in the nineties I was a kid. And that's not what I know agency but now I do so. I was an environmentalist so and I was a kid I used to be mad into David attenborough. There are still ham Tom. He's still alive if we don't know time of recording he is. I know I'm sorry. Isn't it sad that he will die one day. We're we're all GONNA have to deal with that. I know I know maybe like yeah anyway so I used to get his. I used to buy a Filofax title facts that you have David Amber facts in it and it would have a different species every day and I had the ozone layer as the species ice. Gosh I read that when I was five and I felt depressed and I haven't gotten rid of that since and I watch blue planet and I love Blue Planet planets great but at the forty five minute mark. A dramatic music comes in. And I'm like no David. Don't tell us what we did. I just want to see the dolphins little things but he always tells us he also does. Things like in the nineties inflatable couches. Were we're a very big thing. Remember does playable armchairs. Where are they? Now that's what I WANNA know. Yeah it was all fun and games watching Benny Piper Persson an inflatable chair. But now think of kidding away. That's I mean that's not the best standup go now. Think of a deal. Okay so far I have to do mine. He literally told them all they were going to be dead in twenty years. Now Deborah Francaise White. So I'm not going to the gym. I'm like fuck it environmental. Take care of run-scoring you're kidding yourself. Also my moments like what are you going to have kids right and I just don't want kids and my boyfriend he doesn't get and I'm like I'm never having kids because the environment and that shuts her up but really really you just. Don't you just like brunch uninterrupted. Exactly exactly but I'm GONNA pretend that my reason for not having children is environmental. Can you introduce you speak the podcast. Oh course yeah nobody. Pay Rogan live forever and Will you please give it up permits Deborah the a margin. It's the ET twenty one nineteen hundred years from today I history teacher horrors in front of the class. I'm your retina projections at the wall. She says it's history time and she starts with figures from history children. She says chapter one of your retina projections for today. Jon Hamm Studies Eh. She covers the match bend years the baby. DRIVER BLIP THE THIRTY ROCK HANDSOME BUBBLE TENNIS ABOUT OTHER FIGURES FROM history. Miss the the children ask will next week. We will be considering Justin Trudeau. She says then they go into historical cultural phenomenons. The the guilty feminist podcast. She begins with. What did Deborah dial of the children asked Deborah of being two excellent feminist pass? She died when she saved Michelle Obama from Falling Statue of Mary wollstonecraft that they were unveiling together. Michelle Obama hosted the memorial guilty feminist episode after died with Lizardo and Gloria Steinem did a moving moving reading from diapers book. 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They just thought he'll be following facebook. said they wouldn't do it again and made some adverts on bus stops to that effect and even though everyone knew they would they just said no now. If I could go on my photos it would take gauges and I don't know if I've got those voters anywhere else now and it's quite nice for keeping in touch with my friends in Australia House. I would do that. I probably wouldn't be bothered it and it's quite a good way to share articles on things like Cambridge Analytica. So I think I'll just stay on it. But no the children's say they must have come off when they realised realize how evil it was. They didn't they just went back to sleep and kept scrolling next environmental history. The teacher teaches them all about the history of plastics. And how when they were first invented they were seen to be a phenomenon that will change everybody's life but but then one day since David attenborough showed them how all the plastics that ended up in the ocean and they were killing all of the ocean life and also explained that the ocean was the thing keeping humanity and all of the Earth Alive. What did people do instead of plastic? Then the children asked nothing. The teacher said they kept using plastic. What the children's said but they couldn't have because when they start killing things and killing the very thing that was keeping them alive they definitely definitely would have changed no they didn't? They kept buying the same plastic thing. Saying I'm sure it'll be okay with very good humanity it surviving and one way or another we willsurvive and also. I'm thirsty now and I want a bottle of water and I can't think of any other way of getting water. Even though there's readily available taps all around around me so can't be bothered. I'll just buy more plastic and continue to throw it in the ocean and the children said. That's very disappointing. And the teacher said yes isn't it. That's why we all live on malls now and only ten of US could be awake at any one time that children please get back in your sleep Anita and take you sustain a pill way you will sleep for six months and dream of Jon Hamm the end the weird though isn't it. Yeah but we're just going. Yeah but what else can we we do. We'll stop using plastics. Definitely what we could do immediately. Yeah but people stop to buy sell things so you see we. Just don't put the connection laugh. I've never thrown on my rubbish directly into the sea so therefore I don't feel responsible but it's definitely my rubbish you know it's it's so shocking. Yeah just keep I think we are so good at a species at just. Cognitive dissonance is almost as if a mastermind. Our special subjects should be cognitive dissonance. Thanks for all of us just just able to go. That is true but also thesis here. This is convenient. Our guest today went on an all-female expedition expedition. The Great Pacific Garbage Patch. You made a documentary. Please welcome welcome to the stage telesales now now. That looks incredible. Tell us how it came about. What made you want to do it? How did you get the funding of what propelled you this? Because it looks wonderful but like very hard hard work yeah. It was quite hot but so the expedition was run by ex expedition. which some of you may have heard of emily pen? She's an amazing zing advocate and she runs or women expeditions to different parts of the world. But this is the biggest one that they'd done yet so it's from Hawaii Vancouver. It's three thousand miles for three weeks. we'd never met each other four booths and oh I know I need to meet people. I never actually sailed before tiny bit of sailing but some people really good sailors. There's some people didn't know anything about sailing and we fourteen women and we will all from different professional backgrounds so we had scientists some booed with an engineers to teaches a circular economy experts a recycling and packaging design and various people and I. It was a filmmaker and bullets and say I saw that they needed to filmmakers say. I've filmed in quite extreme situations and see but not on a sailing and so I played and I go and say to explain to bits about the idea. Is that the Great Pacific. Garbage Patch is the densest accumulation aversion plastic in the world. And as you saw that most people think it's like island of huge bits of plastic. You can walk on. That might be palm trees on it and stuff but the thing that's the most frightening about is the plastic spoken down so small that you can't actually see it so there's three weeks we didn't see another boats of human being. I think for quite bits of it. The closest humans were in a space station. It was something like that and anyway we did see some bits of plastic float plus few days of hope. Plastic chair or something like that but as as you saw we had mandatory which is like a sieve that we were ruling the surface of the water to collect data for ten different research projects around the looking at different aspects of micro-plastics which the tiny tiny bits of plastic which is really dangerous. Plastic actually US humans and a the whole ecosystem. The reason the Emily Women on boards is because there are some aspects of plastic pollution that particularly affect women and more than men say toxics in our C. pollutants in our woods chemicals abounded plastic during plastic production as well so these things are in the woods at the micro-plastics acts of Mike Nice to them and say they get absorbed or eaten by things. What's the feed chain and the three accumulation they build up and up and up? Then we them and there's a much higher concentration this is making it. Something really depressing about gets the wild worship because is an amazing event. So why does it affect women I'm so these toxics can act as hormone disruptors. And say that can affect fertility and things like that so presumably that's also true for some non binary people and Trans men but it doesn't work that way insist men. Is that what you're saying that all works that way system in particular. There's been less researched on on how it affects women than it does us on how it affects women. Surely not so it goes into our systems and it's very very very tiny amounts of prostate that we don't know that we're somehow taking in and it's not necessarily the early in the research and say these different studies being done looking at different aspects of things so say some of it you saw the netball where we attach the big white bull that was attracted to it. So that's measuring where I should plastics moving because some of them will have organisms. Attach themselves to these bits of plastic and then arrive in an environment. The no man's been transporting things in the wrong place but the other reason why it was so women as because I see many women in adventure exploration. Isn't it for them to be in a bowman gray hair. Gioia facilities high times weren't like no. Yeah Yeah that's why women had to stowaway dressed as men. Yeah the addresses met with episodes over here but it always on the front of the hour. See on the front of the boat. Yeah but boats. She's but no she's were out of the boat because it was seen as bad luck. And that's why if you. If they found a woman on board they go was going to be a big storm now and then the big storm because they're at sea and then blame the woman causation correlation and so as everyone survived off your yeah just about the pirates were right now. Pirates being in the middle of the sea we had this technologist of we raise very frightening sometimes and Yeah we were like. Oh yeah the grease. When we're leaving this is great and then we hit the ocean literally like what the fuck doing on this boat? I had really smooth chilled. I still have released moved to. I know why I'm doing here. And the film is fifty percents adventure and then you bring in the sciences but basically there was some serious highs is and series series is amazing and by the end of it came like so basically. We went to the Great Pacific Garbage Patch and got a real sense of. This is a fucking fucking horrendous. Awful problem but with all of our amazing professions on booth underrepresented in normal life with this them and and filmmakers because in all these different things we basically sweetly hammered through how different people who voca role in addressing this problem and say this nice over pillet. Yeah we need to ease of plastic bottles things like this you know we need better design. We need more research. We need better policy in these different areas that we can work in and say by the end of it we got to Vancouver like go on go for it and the idea the film you come away from it feeding had this whole experience with us and you're like yeah yeah I can do something about this is brilliant and you know the hilarious thing is that having not seen another human being for three weeks the first contact that we had with with this old old guy he runs with like pleasure thing from the harbor and ensure both President Robert Post. He's like trying to the first round with a very. Let's do it. She didn't have sailing terminology but trying to support and stuff and then he saw that. We were women so that we come all the way from Hawaii. When you're all all women like you you came this way you all women like seriously and then his wife will pass when you're funny? So what can we do about it when we watch this documentary. How are we going to change our behaviors? I feel like there's a boat full of hope. It sounds like a lovely. It's actually really really fun because I'm really into the environment is the most. It's Mayo his film about the environment will all go please. Maybe about environment. So it's actually feel about AGGRIPA amazing women on really epic adventure and then you find on the environment stuff for free exact. We hit shit epic adventure. Insure yeah because people do feed. Oh God I'm going to have to watch this then I'm GonNa feel sad but this is a boat full of hope good alternative name for it and women women on adventure so in this film. We're going to be inspired to change our behaviors. I think even just the fact of watching women on an eventual make us all feel a bit braver and a bit bolder about on how we sell the message with the environment. What prepared today for it? I do admire you because I would have been absolutely terrified. I think you almost have to not know what you're getting yourself into to get yourself into that year. Yeah well the I might just before I went. I said the skipper. I sit them. Said what are the chances of this capsizing because I have a one year old and three year old. It really made myself die doing this. And she said this by has sailed around the world millions of times much for us to Wilco. We went really I the waves some really big they will be rough sailing super calm and then rough sailing is basically rough sailing. The whole time and said no absolutely call it capsized and then when we go thank you can't call. It capsized that way it could have deaf so she told you that to relax she. Well that was. Let's say that was kind but I would have been suspicious of it. Because I've seen titanic and even even on syncopal ship can go down great music countdown style. That was gen- to yeah. Yeah we can't wait to see it with the real music that's GonNa be brilliant. Anthony Anthony wants floating on a door. You can definitely roommate. I've seen the filming mythbusters bus. That may think both could of but you could see that he could fit on the door check. Just wasn't I too. He was like he was just trying to get away from it. Did he goes back then. Assume Freund of Kidman they would rob the time eight grams. I'll definitely the dawn number. I'll definitely give me a call. You get white so definitely definitely and then he just goes today he probably arrived for land. He's probably still alive. Just goes to take on. Another door is fine. I'm just not ready for relationship. I've aimed literally anyway. That's not the point. Where could we see X.? Trillion do you know yet and it will be into the film festivals and we will be doing some special screenings things and then. Hopefully some courses will be snapping up netflixing. Watch it. I really would diked worst. Brilliant affiliates funny drama. uh-huh is what did she do for fun except you saw that Ukulele community but like I love the Ukulele and stuff. But you're picking up plastic going and you'd need more than a Ukulele there any sex toys bobbing around Allison had thoughtlessly dump. So that you missed Komo filming something over there and the holy yes the sex toy patch too great pacific sex type it depends on the density they might have just two. We are all human beings just awful. I mean really the soon to the human race there and yet death how wonderful but I wonder if the species look at us. We're wonderful or they think with the scourge of the Earth it's like Oh they're so hopeful yet. The assholes squirrels just looking at US going. Fuck now I hope they do. Diane Dolphins must wish us dead all the time. They must be I. It does come but they seem. So they're gonna I think that's what they're saying being so intelligent and they're like yes we all we don't feel the ocean with this crop teller. The new the sub two things we won't we won't screenings that we can come to and the we'll put on our channels where you can see it but also if you are a distributor. Could you please pick this up because we need all female documentaries or female-driven documentaries. We don't see enough of them. We constantly saying you know Amman climbing to the mountain and then you could always doing it for any reason. He's just doing it cousteau's mountain amazing and I watched it yet. But he was risking smart for nothing and also couldn't commit. Yeah and I'm just like August. I mean he needs to keep cook. That's just saying I'm just saying I found it a little bit. A tiny bit heart care because Yes it's all amazing I much more care about loads of women trying to go do something at the Great Pacific Garbage Patch and looking at documented and bring it back and share. AH WITH US and say we've actually been there and we can see much interested in that that a man deliberately climbing to the top of the mountain because it's there so that someone can make a documentary about what a great big hero. Here's yeah no disrespect to that. This notice respect to that man's ego which is one. I mean it's sizable box. They get behind trillion. If you're distribute. Aw please please please try and get on board with this contact Ellena church wait can contact you well enough as distributors distinct. Well the easiest way is probably a facebook. We've got an X.. Trillion page carried on on children are going to be mystified one hundred watts. She advertised a documentary about plastics on facebook. But surely she knew oh she didn't she didn't she just went refined. I'm basically I'm still. I'm I'm not judging. You still on sorry. Go on we go. They go to extra lean on facebook. Say On instagram and my production company called clockwise. Pictures Lock right so instagram. That's actually update myself from the documents. You should have done the next trillion instagram place. But then I feel like I'm starting from nothing is easy to go so we're going to lock rise slot grace pictures at Loch rose pictures on instagram. Also where did you get your hair bound with. The way actually bought it for anthropology ability for my duties birthday and then I just decided to keep it on incredible good toys. You Happy List Dot. I forgot reporting on producible Joe on every one of the biggest gaff thing more. Sx Shepherd I E as well. That's quite good sex short sex shop. It's a chopin. Is the Gaelic word for shop. 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Episode 13 - Jerry Cook, Six-time NASCAR Modified champion and NASCAR Hall of Fame member

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Episode 13 - Jerry Cook, Six-time NASCAR Modified champion and NASCAR Hall of Fame member

"It! Racing now I'm your host, Adams, and if you've missed our last two episodes, we wanna make sure you have the hotline number for racing now in the end where you can call and offer suggestions as to who you would like to hear the show and also ask a question, said the number, seven, zero, four, seven, eight, three, six, four to seven, hundred, four, seven, eight, three, six, four, two now, let's move along to this week's guest on the show, and we're very happy and pleased, and honoured all of those great egis to have with US Nascar Hall of fame and six Time modified champion Jerry Cook welcome jared erasing now and then. Here we appreciate you tech in this time, and of course you and Richie Evans I've already been inducted into the Nascar Hall of fame with the announcement for the twenty twenty one class we have mocks Vanik going in, so that gives three modified champions in the Nascar Hall of fame. Tell us your feelings about that. There's more than three okay total of six because Red Byron back. It was modified. Racing was the first in red farmer guy in. He wanted to modify championship least one in Soda. Bobby Allison so those three and top of the three. That we got now makes us a total of six, and all a which is pretty outstanding I. Thanks, so that is that's great, and you're absolutely correct. You know I don't think a lot of people realize that when NASCAR was formed the first series or the series that ran in Nascar's inaugural season was the modified series. The modified are the oldest division in Nascar. That's right, and as you say Red Baron won that championship, and then of course follow it up the next year with the strictly stock, which eventually became what we know today as the Cup series, what makes the modified so special? Their different best thing I can tell you they're different. Especially in my world of today, and when I started, they were not nothing like a full body car, and of course what you got that they is something that is like from a full bodied car from the xfinity or the cop or anything else. It's totally different pretty much. A fabricated car with fire big tires wheels. Engine used to be without unlimited or power in fuelling Jackson and everything else so. It's pound Powell down a little bit during the years, but. The are still different are quick. They get around most racetracks faster than most anything else. There are a lot of fun to drive. The initial modified cars in no way resembled what the modified czar today! What made a lot of fun car in the Nineteen Forty eight season? In nineteen, forty eight I was just a little kid. Believe it or not. I don't even know myself what they can assist up back then. I guess it would have to do some research on that. Well I have to admit of course. The first race cars that I got to see as a child were. You're forty four yards and. COUPES and forty shave. Those were the modified. Is then and I have to admit when I saw what today's modified look like I was still expecting him to look like that, and this would been nineteen seventies or eighties, so it was really an introduction. Yes, the first. Car I had I was only thirteen years old. When I feel the same, it was a thirty seven Chevy Coupe and he ran thirty seven Chevy coupes right up until a late model Falcon body on one, because it paid bonus to run a late model body, and then after that we had a Camaro. In the short lived deal that clay earles came up with and then after that it was the pedal body cars in the fakers, and except draw until you've got the cavaliers and the Pontiac, day two thousand and those are the bodies, even though there have changed a little bit. That's still the body of the modified cars today. That's interesting in really. The modified 's are NASCAR. Siri open wheel series so to speak. open-wheel series in that scarred right and with you being born in Lockport New York. How did you get interested in rising? What attracted you to racing? That's that's a story to. Back Down the road from where I never. Had anything to do with racing. My Dad enjoyed great thing I mean he leads the indy five longer wants, but not to the point of being a racer, but down the road from where I live about a quarter mile was the service station, and it was Gherardi. Brothers service stations in one of the brothers was Cam Artie and he drove stock cars of back in those days all over places. I couldn't even tell you. Fairground strikes off. Civic Stadium was a quarter. Asphalt track. And I think if I remember right, that's. Race I ever want to their I guess you might say I got hooked on it. Because then I build a car and I had a number of different people drove it Katie meal for the longest time, and we won quite a number of events that, but the first time all right had we raised on a dirt track in back of any ORTEZ is garage in ransom bill New York that too many people even know, ask them from their ransom bills speedway. I feel outside town and I raised that was dirt I raised that once in the middle of the week in one, the darn race and Dan Freeze them promoted it and he was a good friend of mine, too, and he was so ugly when I got there because I didn't tell them I was coming in I. All of my says. I'M GONNA. Make a fool out of myself. I didn't like like off. So. That's like something. MERV tricolor. These guys overrun Indian over through yet. And who's the first guy to ad a wheel? My door was murdered. You know. And the features started and in my God I went over the end once, and what were got pushed over finally I just got so mad. I just ram where none of them would run, and I got up the second at Walmart a goal and I says I'm going to get into so so I won their race and that was. Mainly Jealousy Ruin company had a point deal. Love that year for any rates. That was Ryan Yard stay in the points were based on the laps. So that's the reason. I even went there with just gain points in that, because maynard charter was after through, so, but he didn't run the dirt to do it. I ran dirt and ran. Ashley'll one and. That's how that all started in in short you know, so you run endured analysts the fall at the same time Oh. Yeah, back then you ran the same car. You just said you ran slicks. London he grooves select next night so I'll be darned, but at from that, of course like everything else it got farther and farther apart for you had a specific jerk guard in specific ashfall car. The first year that searches ran safer, one hundred I took an asphalt car there in qualified outside pulled even though I think I got the poll. Danley couldn't stand it. And Almost WanNa Race Fuzzy Reutemann. Want it and I finished second in the guys told me you're not catching this fast as I can go without record, so but buzzy was good like he could run dirt or asphalt to, and he was good at both, but he wanted, and I finished second wind a few years and finished in the top ten, but then the cars started getting farther and farther apart many years Digi run render all I didn't run jerk. Oh, I don't know to count them up, but it got to. The point were when we started running more all NASCAR tracks. And, we just didn't have the time to vote to keep a car up for a long with the asphalt guards, and then we started running five nights a week on ashfall. So that didn't leave much time, so we finally decided this. Run asphalt though we'll because of the limited time that you ran dirt. What did it mean to you then in two thousand eleven when you were inducted into the northeast dirt modified hall of fame. I got into that because of what I did. Run on dirt at one time I ran. Find The speedway regularly, which is dirt and still running today. And I wanted to track championship there. In nineteen sixty eight. Running dirt. Car We ran ashphalt with back. Interesting. Why did you make the full-time transition into ashfall from dark? Because time we were running so many ashfall races, and that was the deal that was the NASCAR tracks. Even though find a was back then we did a lot of work to make sure. Our cars Spanish in the came to a point where we just didn't have enough time to maintain a car for dirt and then run ashphalt along with it. You know we were making more money on ashphalt than we were on dirt back that up. Yeah, I understand so when you were running asphalt and deer in the seventies when you on your six championships, and there was the big battles between new and really Evans wanted the season. Look like the in how many races where you run in a year, Iran as many as ninety six races a year. Pal. In that didn't count rain out. That was green flag checkered flag races. We ran somewhere between ninety and that number for quite a number of years we on Wednesday night up in Canada. THAT NASCAR but that's a soup called house money. Chance to buy groceries with eight house bills. Then Thursday we ran cattleman stadium in Milton Vermont and Kevin Squire on backtrack at the time. It would robbing it. And, then Friday we already served Oga speedway that was asphalt, and then Saturday we'll. It's founder that back in those some of those days are both. When the asphalt comment we go to Plattsburgh you name it. You know the big track. The Bay braces were mostly on Saturday. We gotTA Islip we go to all when Grace Stadium because by that time where the point deal, so the championship races wherever they were paid for points. So whenever you came back and ran a weekly tract usually how to start in the back. They usually took your handicapped from three weeks. By one there that I started a new rear, and then suddenly we'd run you girl, which was twenty five miles from home. That was good. In Thompson ran in the beginning of the year. Thomson would run Sunday afternoon in Connecticut and Utica Rome would run Sunday night and I had a friend of mine is in outside. Rome editor airplanes. And fly over. Pick me up for me back to UTICA wrong with another car second car. And then at that time, UTICA Rome had a drag strip and we landed on the drag strip. Mates stop the razors because there wasn't a powered Iran drag strip lights which we needed delay. It was all all gave part of the show after a while. You know Dr Show. Concert, wet the Sunday nights and Somebody asked me once I was leading the points at both tracks. Now which track are you gonNA run and Sunday Sunday night I says well. That's pretty much a no brainer. Because housing is four and a half hours from all in UTICA, all is a half hour. That was an easy decision. Oh Yeah yes awad. After the whole week to be back home, Atwood, the deal you know right, and you mentioned about flying there to the track, but most of all these tracks. When you racing, you drove to get you. Oh Yeah, yeah, most all of them. The only time we flew is if I was trying to run to one day or something. One time we ran eight races in six straight days. Holy Cow Guyer's two. Dozen people in an airplane while and how many states did you go up into Canada during that time just in the northeast all Dr? Do I'll. Maybe Martinsville was in there, but the northeast. Martinsville we ran last speedway one that was hurt and then flew back and ran the next day on asphalt, so we did a lot of crazy stuff like that. We drive him run. We'd run up on Friday night and then drive to. Down South Embrace Bowman Gray on Saturday and turn right around and come back and roundup beautiful girl, my Sunday or some will now you mentioned. Sue Your wife earlier and that the Canada races were house money. was she in your daughter Christie traveling with you during this time? They did that's when the kids David Christie were both younger most of the time. Sue went along. And when the kids were born, they left to what he took down everywhere. We went just about everywhere. We went it all somehow work out because my race shop was at the House. I, add my ray shop right there. So somehow we got through everything we said now wonder how in the world where did it all, but we did. He didn't know any better I guess. That was just something you wanted to do. And that was your passion and united live. That's probably the best way to put it. But now. Met Sue a unit girl speedway really. Yes, at a racetrack, so she knew that I. Did you know wasn't like some of these where you're married somebody and then they. Might should to quit racing and all that while racing as well all. I've done what I was doing. I met her there. We got married in Nineteen Sixty A in. Were still strong while fifty two years worth so. Always been a part of it, too, you know even he drowned and get motors, tires, or whatever it sucks, but she kept attractive the business part of it. Say the money, and that's the only reason we probably have anything left. Now. is she working at the track? Is that how y'all? Go all her. Her father step father worked at the track as a gate guard, and she just went her to the races. Met. Racer well, it was a marriage that was definitely meant to be. Believe so yes, Maine Yes oh, well now when you were going to all those races. How were you transporting the car? Did you have a rollback or truck and trailer? Or what did you have? We had a truck to drive the car up on. Your pull it up on driving whatever and then also if we took two cars which we did. When we're the point thing hiding evie, we'd take two cars just to have a second car. In case, something happened to the first one in nineteen, sixty eight is when Alabama brand trucking came on board in thanks to them. They're the ones. They made it possible for me from a financial standpoint to accomplish everything I did after that. For wasn't for them I. I have no idea you know it might've been. Somebody else might not have if it was coming to the point where I wonder how long I can do this for I gotta get a real job, you know. But I never got a real job. Well, that's one good thing about being an racing is. We're fortunate in that. We have that passion for our job, and of course. If you have that passion, you never work a day in your life and I feel so sorry for these people that have a job that they're not their hearts, not in you know. Exactly exactly. Well now when you were doing all these rices where you camping or were you staying in hotels? How Fun Times? If there? If there was eight time between him, we didn't camp or anything. I had a sleeper on my truck. And I spent quite a few nights sleep within their way to the next race, so, but we stayed in hotels and you name it. You know we didn't do any camping, but we stayed in hotels here and there depends where we're going and whatever you know. When you were sleeping in the sleeper of your truck, he was driving well. George Kala was with me at one point in you went on down south worker, the patties and other people, but whoever my brother-in-law John eat they different by other brother-in-law Mike, Ray. There's different people. I drove it to I. You know I. I was good at driving truck to. Grab the truck. But when you were sleeping, there was somebody else that had to be driving it, so that was. Yeah one of the guys. Tried to teach sue outer. Drive the truck that she wasn't up for that so. when she drove, it made the corner and roll it off to the almost. The actors ain't GonNa work. She wasn't a drunk drivers. You answered that question it. We got hooked up with Hala brand trucking. One day he drove a brand new truck up and the driveway. He says here's your new, always okay. With them with a trucking company, new trucks were easier, you know. So after a sixty eight, we is that we had new trucks every. Two three years. Whatever was yet about three years that again. One now the statistics list you had in three hundred forty one wins. That all asphalt or does that include? Your dirt is well. and. Nettie the all of that Why do you think? The modifying are so popular in the northeast. They then the most day been a division of cars. That's been around up there for well forever. Really now they've taken on different. You know shapes and sizes, and looks and whatever else, but they've always been the top division of race cars in the northeast dislike. They are all great stadium. Down South, but it wasn't. You know they were on Saturday night. And of course with. This year around at all. But up north every track that was Thomson and Stafford and the Martin slow, one Iran and therefore times a year 'cause I've got six blocks from Martinsville's. Yourself, but a lot of different places up. There ran modified. In in. This date I still. Have to stay, make sure they don't mess with the cars because a lot of the weekly tracks up there unmodified. which is basically the same cars a tour car? With you know different engines, lesser tires, and what have you? The same basic car. That that keeps the car call for they call a mess Cape Modified. I think at Stafford. Say Modified car with a different engine and tires the whatever you so that allows people to run more tracks and more races. Allows drivers James of when they WANNA. Move Up to the two or they've got a feel for what it's all about. That's the tours big. Step Up. You know with a race engines, fire, big fires and the whole bit you. Say Well I remember of course when the modifies raced regularly at Martinsville. In fact, wasn't it the name of that the cardinal five hundred? I want. We ran a five hundred lap race there at Martinsville for two or three years and I won one of them. Five, hundred laps in a modified of that vintage, no power steering. It was the Kooks in in the last hundred Latte site is. I didn't want no more cautious about this. Run this out. I had the second place car. Right in front of me, laughing and I just it that way till the end. Wow, I'm sure here. Arms probably felt like Spaghetti by the end of that race. I was in pretty good shape at that time, but yet I would use. You know as popular of course as the modifies, are Bowman Gourmet and then of course. The regular when you race in that regular race at Martinsville I never understood why the Mata. Fads really didn't catch on in the southeast like they did the northeast. Because the late Bibles Dakar's and. Came into play in up North Sea the modifies that was. In the top division and all but a lot of them racetrack. South that kind of went towards the late models stuff. In fact, you know they used to be week came down from the north and run against the guys in the South Max Barrier Perk Brown. The heavily all it was. It was Dr South thing at Martinsville. Everybody wants their. And now the only track left runs modified in the south is bombed gray stadium on a regular basis. There's a couple other hit and miss things that go on. But nothing steady so in one time we tried to run a modified race in Martinsville. This is quite a few years ago. And even brought in lights in. We didn't have enough people there to to pay the light bill really so that Kinda ended that. Sure. Everybody was really looking forward to going to Martinsville. Early this year. Of course because of everything that's gone crazy. That didn't get cancelled, so yeah, I was looking forward to seeing him go. Yeah, yeah I was looking forward to that rice and having the modified back there, that was going to be really cool. Have, been! I don't cry when they decided to do it I. Call Them and I said I'll be there. I'll do whatever you want me to do. That's great well now when you on the track championship in Utica Rome and nineteen sixty nine. Was That Your First Championship? You Know No. It wasn't I one. I ever wanted was the Canandaigua speedway in sixty four. Was Dirt. And that was like the second year I raised. You know wow, and that was the track championship. Right, yeah that that. Will now when you were rice in for a law, championships there became a of legendary rival between Richie. Evans in you. How did that develop? What resulted in development of that? Let's see. Richie was born and raised in Rome New York And he started out drag racing. And what have you late model? And then when I moved there I was running modified in. He saw what I was doing, and he wanted to be part of that, so that's when he started running modified, and then I want a championship and he wanted to be part of that, so the rivalry just started building. Then you know it was between the two of us in Rome. New York was on the map, so it went to jail for a long time. That's interesting. Did you get along off the track or the rivalry? Just on the track, we got along pretty good. Can you know considering we were both after the same thing? But there was times when the pensions kind of heart so got tight when things were so. We we actually got along pretty good most all the time. How did you when the tensions got tied? How did you keep everything in perspective while we just went did our own thing. There was this stories you've heard are all true where we found the car out of town one way and then make trying to go the other way to a different track. and. Of course, everybody was. We're all watching each other. You know, see where word gets the at that point. There was lots of tracks. Running modified is the same night. From tracks would run double point races, some would run a championship race. Championship race paid a lot. More points is then a regular night. It was like if Martinsville there was more points in Martin's going one race then there was that a weekly track. UTICA Rome if you want every race for the whole year. Points for determine how the money was. Say Interesting, so I the reason y'all were trying to see who is going to which races would determine basically the amount of points. Is that why you're watching? which rises each other was going to get our own thing. But it and wasn't. We didn't watch him as much as he watched us. I say well now when you step down the car at the end of the nineteen eighty two season correct. Why did you decide to stop driving at that particular time? The holiday brand trucking sponsorship went away, but I had another one going in. It was getting to that point where I mean. I've done very well at it. But I also and then Nascar needed somebody to work in the northeast, because things were getting pretty big back then and ideas, and after the last race they call the guess away called me. and Bill was in on it, too, but they wanted to talk to me. Only to get on a plane. Come that they told her which wasn't that usual because I done, watch it. There fringed for NASCAR through the years when I was racing. That they what the deal was, is they wanted to? Well? It turned out to be worked for NASCAR and look after things up in the northeast, so I decided one I had that meeting that that was a chance me to put rates and when I was on top in still being racing. Because sewer talked about. What are we going to do after you get all? Tired sell parts you know in I. Build enough car. I really didn't want to do that. And solemn parts didn't really appeal to me. Because that changed so much, you can get stuck with a bunch of stuff. You couldn't do anything with so when I went to work for NASCAR I. Mean that I have. In my mother finally, if I had a paid job to add a paycheck every week to. Never. She never considered. A job. Well even though. Even though she never considered rising a job, you never had to rice under an assumed name when you first started, did you? Know now, but I had to get. My years straightened out for took your. If they're the big Jim, shooter's back then I then trouble. Why is that? Well I because I wasn't old enough oh walked. Back then you had to be older than than what you do today. and I remember sitting with me and Mike Helton about the age of sitting there, looking at each other and not wanting to, but I finally said well you fleet all lower the age, so the younger kids can raise. Somebody else is going to, and we're GONNA lose, them. Now it's down to where you can run a weekly track. I think fourteen or some you know yeah I think that was the last time I checked. The you can run the the light models at Fort Tuning. I finally got old enough. It took a couple of years to get my age straight out again so. That's funny. Yeah, because he used to have to have a driver's license. The I had it what you get her driver's license. When you were sixteen right, but you couldn't race in this car I. So sure wasn't even twenty one or something at that point well. Never Richard Patties lay wouldn't let Richard Rice until he was twenty one yeah. I think that's what it was and I started when I was nineteen, and our might form was twenty one so. Yeah because you racing it thirteen. Now I had a car, but I wasn't racing. Tired built the car I didn't drive it. I hit veteran drivers. Candy meal is wanted to draw for me. The longest in it finally got to the point where well he was wrecking the cars and I was fixed them. I guess I might do all right, and that's when I started driving. That was when you're not paying. Yeah. That's what I was nineteen. And Cam Gherardi. Who got me started and right thing? He drove my car to some. I add more that quite a few people different drivers driving the car back then. But I bet you decided once that you've got that taste of driving. You never wanted to relinquish that will. Got All around the track and I go out and warm ups or something you know. And when Kennedy told me you shouldn't run, the car saw hired. That's what I thought I must be pretty good if the so. Yup. Will when you became modified series director for NASCAR, Nineteen eighty-five. Surprised you about making the switch from being a competitor to being an official. Was Different for sure yet I'll before of course then there was a lot of people and Ritchie albums. Was One of them said. This is in good. He knows too much, you know. And I got them because of my experience. Racing knew how to do what I had to do to straighten things out. And I talked Well Jim. Hotter was in this that and I actually was working. I worked for under GAZ away for a year, and then I was with Jim on her. And I told the all. That is the weekly tracks. It's getting too expensive to run modified weekly. And before? The. Goal away like they did was What do you WANNA call? It was sportsman pack then it was pushed series right. Yeah, before I said before that happens while there's a lot of cars I think we ought to start a tour. And I talked him into doing that. And that's when we started. The L. started out the in the winds to modify tour s right. Now it's one of the it is the oldest division outside of the. Cup sets running consecutive years of nineteen eighty five now because I had forgotten about that, but what was of course, everybody knows it today. Is The xfinity series, but. Will Sportsmen. When they were running all the short tracks and did get so expensive that. When they developed dead, it started out as what model Sportsman Budweiser Budweiser late mall, Sportsman, tour and Then the series and that was what saved dead. S.. The. One down. They agreed to let me do it, so that was very smart on their part. Because it, you know when I hear modified of course I think of the northeast, and the highly competitive nature of the modified in I. Don't know they just bring a different environment and different field to racing than the full cars, though with the COP and guys with the Cup with stay to watch the modified races. The races were always so good. You know right and they still otter. You know I told them Muslim. Cars. I'll be back in. Will now how they was one year that you looked at. But you elected to stay modified. Why did you decide to make your career and modified rather than moving to cup well back in them days, the big money was not there that there is now has been for quite a few years. In the I had was pretty good. We're making good money. And winning, and what have you and we'd look at the end of the year and see who lawn what we were doing as good is about the fourth or fifth place guy in the COP, so in had an established team by that time I was I was married, but I had kids, and to give it all up and move south. Take another shot at. It didn't make any sense us. We stay. Where we weren't Richie did the same thing. But people don't understand it back then. The Cup didn't pay. All that money the billions of dollars that it does today. That's very true. We know when you look at your honors and your wards in addition to the championships in the hall of fame. mentioned. Of course you were named one of Nascar's fiftieth greatest hours nineteen, ninety eight. And you're also a member of the new. York State Stock Car Association Hall of Fame. And the International Motor Sports Hall of fame. Nasserite. Has This surprised your mother? She never considered you having a real job. My mother as the way long time ago, I'm saw in most of this stuff. Except, let's see. They were at the one in nineteen, eighty nine when I got inducted into the national motorsports process ocean all the things. In My mother and Dad came down with that. That was a big deal while they deal for me, because I was running the matter fight tour at that time and Jim Honor told me you'd better get somebody. I got I got a race that day 'cause you better. Get somebody to run the race that day 'cause. You'RE GONNA be in Darlington, so yeah. That was when it used to be on the Saturday night before the southern five hundred on Sunday. That's right. Yes, but a lot of the hall of fame stuff came later on. You know the Roller Sports Hall of fame. New York State Dakar Association Hall of Fame Easter motorsports breadth. Association Hall of fame. The international motorsports hall of fame and the Vert Hall. They just kept coming after that. You know NASCAR holiday. That was the top of the world. There's so. What did that mean to you that day? What were your feelings that day when it was announced that you're going into the Nascar Hall of fame in two thousand sixteen. All. The ultimate. What you WANNA call it award, not award really but. that you could accomplish in racing. Connor. That's right. The also met achieve. That you could get inducted into from motor sports from soccer. And I remember how excited your family was that day as well. For sure everybody, it was unreal I. Mean We were downtown with? It got announced sewage there. My daughter was there. My granddaughter was there that was just that they got an out. You know right well. You've had a very special career. Do you still work on cars? You still have cars well. We gotTA rape. Yes, we have what we call exit replica. Last, modified I. Had we had that, but we got that bill. Inflicted we finally put it together here at our shop. In, that car is up enroll new. York at the Rome. Sports Hall of fame okay, was that the car that was in Morrisville the day that you were inducted into the north. Carolina motorsports I walk of fame. That car belongs to Ray Ram, and that was the coup with the fuel injection and all that island. From way back, that's a that was a replica of a car hat back in nineteen, sixty, eight, sixty nine, and he owns that guard is shots are Mooresville. So that that is the one we brought over there because the other ones up, north. and. There's the Naga one being. The one of the first Pinot Body modified that I got from troyer back in about seventy seven. To be in read and that's Reginald, but that's being put together by a guy named Pat Perello. Got The car from Ray because right in that time. Anymore to put another one together, so pat got it and he's put that car together and he lives over here in Concord. That, on this year, and then my speedway MOMS that Saturn bars for over thirty years up north. Is the guy up at night New York? That's got it. He's redoing that car. That's quite the deal you know that's neat will now. Are you doing anything in racing now? Nothing right thing when Robert Gates started, the robbery eights racing engine shop. And I was working for Nascar when he started that. And that's the SPEC engine. That most all the modifies run to K. N, N cars up in Canada different all in places. The motor prices went out of sight, and that was the way to. You know to bring it back where you could afford to do with something that would last. And I worked with him at Nascar when we got that started with Mike Helton and then when I retired. Wanted Somebody I was still in quality. He wanted somebody that could look at parts brand new parts through microscope and find the cracks in the bad pieces, so he brought in there to do that part time. In because he knew to do it and I told him if I'm going to I'm going to look at each one like it was going to be going in my engine. You know and that's what he wanted. Robert was a perfectionist. Guys that he had worked there didn't do that. They just didn't want. It can't when I go there and do that? They just can't see how I can possibly do that. But I do and now my daughter Christie runs at edited extracts Robert Passed. Away she's worked for the family for twenty years so. Now do you still do the quality control on those parts? Yes, but we haven't been rising so right the doing any work. I had enough stuff ahead that when all this started and I'm getting a little older, you know. They thought they shouldn't be out like that so. I'll be seventy seven. You have to look at it like I do. You're like a fine wine. You're getting older. You're getting better. Through the part where I almost didn't make it so. Yes? Why don't we let our listeners know about that? Because some might hear that and think it was due to a racing accident, but it most certainly was not know it was an infection from a cotton, my arm that they took care of in faction. The doctor did, but it never really went away and the arthritis which I got. The arthritis medication was so strong that the infection took. Over and edit once. I was on an airplane going to Albuquerque New Mexico when I passed out. And that I spent five weeks at Albuquerque in intensive care, and there was points where they didn't think I'd make it, but I think I figured that out that the good Lord looked down and saw was me and said he didn't want me up there yet. I would too much problem. Because, it turns around I'm that brand new but I'm alive and well I just don't get around very fast or very far, and you're still able, even though we've got a pandemic going on, you don't get out that much when it passes, you can still do quality control on race in parts, so you're still involved in the sport. Every place we'd while go. There is nothing to go go-to, so we been anywhere so. We appreciate you taking time and talking with us today it's been in the light and congratulations on a fabulous career, and all the inductions into the hall of fame, and we hope you'll come back with some time. Yeah, THE NASCAR! All, that's the ultimate right there you know and anytime. Of course they are doing nothing either, but they've got me busy going here going there with different appearances. What have you and then we usually went up north in the summer. 'cause in Rome New York, they got what they call. An honor America days in. They have a big parade and the with the wrong sports hall of fame and all that, but they can't believe that this year, too, so we'll. It's always good to see you at the track and at the Nascar Hall of fame appearances. We look forward to seeing you again soon. Racing daughters erasing robbery H. my son words steward is my I kids are doing other things. My grandkids to so, so, what are your grandkids doing well? My oldest grandson worked at Stewart house until he left. There were two machine shop over in Denver. That does spacex work. In seldom parks to go out in outer space now. The last call. So, that's that's pretty good yeah yeah. Well. That's great and again for join us. We were out of. Thirty!

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EPISODE 96 -- BILL GARDNER PART 2

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EPISODE 96 -- BILL GARDNER PART 2

"Hello. My name is Rik, Houston and welcome to the scene Volkov cast your source for all things Nascar history presented by Q.. Wear maintain. Darrel Young. Had these ideas is always. The grass is always on the other side. I think my guys got very conservative in that race. Rick deal there, however, he did. The gods linked to come off. We were much shock and everybody else. carburetors squad with sugar. Somebody Sabotage Star fuel tank. That Bay Nascar and all associated anyway with mascot. Forget to pass today. We don't have any. Hello I'm Steve Wade. And My name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene bought podcast presented by wherein Steve we did it. We did it. We did it with it. But the world or do? I must have missed something here. No, you did not. You did not miss this at all here. On the same ball podcast we have had this goal all along to digitize the same ball. Arklow first and foremost because we have to preserve these thirty two years newspapers because something could happen till sure one, a disaster could take it out and obviously. I don't think about that, but something bad could erase all this archive and then it wouldn't be available, so that's what we've been trying to do. Marcus Ramona's. Is this hugely successful entrepreneur? MOST NASCAR FANS would know him as the chairman and CEO of camping world and Gander Mountain which have sponsored the truck series for several years in. Over the past several months I think basically when all the covid nineteen stuff started. That's one on started noticing it anyway. He's star giving away. RV's on. Giving away are given away. RV's and I'm not talking about like one a week I'm talking about two or three a week for the last two or three months, so he's giving away some RV's. A couple of weeks ago, he tweeted out. He wanted to make sure that people had his email address. If they needed any information about the are vase, he was selling, so I got his email and I emailed him fired off an email about the same ball and what we're trying to accomplish and getting a digitized, and what was going to cost and what we're trying to do with it and never heard back from all right. Well I was on the P.. e., T. M. Racing podcast a couple of weeks ago with our friends, Andrew in rusty. Of course they asked about where things stood with getting it digitized, and I mentioned my mouth Marcus and they said well. You know we just spire off. A tweet is so the next morning. They fired off a tweet. Marcus lagunas. Never heard back from it. Measure. Marcus fits Alava Kinda stuff. That's the thing I can't even begin to imagine the requests, and he gets all the time, but last Wednesday it was hot that morning and I didn't feel like run, and and I wasn't very motivated I laid in bed that more and trying to convince myself to get out of bed and drove to where I, usually start from and was sitting in my car and I was just procrastinate. Because I was. Born to run that morning. And so there I am in my car and before I get out to start running in Walkin. I tweeted Marcus. I, said well. You know what the heck. I'll just give it one last shot. I'll never hear from him. He's got so many people want to pay somebody's time one some money one an RV. Yeah so I tweeted him. I said I'm trying to get to five thousand lifetime miles on the APP that I use I don't WanNa do this. It's warm. The warm weather really's APPs me. So I said how about this and it's motivation. Why don't you meet me at the five thousand mile mark with an offer to digitize all thirty two years, the same Kinda bogue their origin now. Well. You Know Me. Yes I do. I expected absolutely nothing out of it. I tweeted one. My before pictures from when I was heavier I tweeted my mileage at the time, which was forty six. Something Miles and also tweeted a picture of the Saint Paul Archive the papers and everything and again I expected nothing out of it. But later that night probably I don't know is probably nine thirty ten. o'clock before I went to bed, he tweeted back and said explained to me. What I need to know basically, so he wanted to or bad. Right okay. So I'm in. My hands were shaking. As I tweeted him back and told him what the same bought was and `Bout Winston Cup Saints Role in recording. Ask Our history and Steve The truly truly truly amazing. Thank was everybody else's reaction. When they saw Marcus Lhamo respond to May. Want to know more about Winston Cup, saying and what we were trying to accomplish. People came out of the woodworks, and they were tweeting about what Winston Cup saying men Brag Kesse. laskey tweeted. What went up saying men. He actually tweeted and said. That his first win at Talladega did not seem real until he saw it on the cover of the next week's Nascar. Saying how about their now? How cool is that? Great so the next morning. This would have been Thursday morning. Now got up, and that was as close to been involved in something going barrel as anything that we've done. Because people were tweeting about it and eventually I think it was probably around eleven o'clock. Marcus Lamarcus tweeted back and said you've gotTA deal. Really done deal. I. That's great. He said you've gotTA. Deal because you're setting goals and your crush him. That was a watershed moment for us because this is something that you and I have been working towards or more than two years now. And that was all well and good, but then. A couple hours later, the reaction was still coming fast and furious, and he tweets me by just out of the blue and says. Let's get this done by the date of the last race of the year. Which is November eighth. which cuts nearly two? Months off my Tomlin. Well, that's not what you had in mind but you. Know and that's not the original deal that we agreed to, but I wasn't going to point that out to. Say Yes sir. Miles short. Are you a five? Right now as of this morning I am three hundred and thirty eight point seven one miles short. Now. Figure this out I have basically twenty two weeks I've already done to Matt. I also. To average just a little less than sixteen miles a week sixteen miles a week. Had Been in to get to five thousand by the end of the year I have been needed to average about eleven point six or seven. Sixteen, so now is sixteen. The way that I'm looking at it is I need to step it up about half a mile more day. Okay, I, so what I'm GonNa do is I'm GonNa do three miles a day, so for the week I'm GonNa do about eighteen miles a little more than eighteen miles, so I'll try to build a little bit of a cushion, and if there's a day that I don't quite make three miles, I'll still be above my average, so that's been kinda tough especially with the hotter weather. Because in all seriousness, the hot weather really does yeah. Really drains may require to stay in that, so we're. We're talking about eighteen miles over. You're calling for six. Stay right. Yeah, eighteen miles and today I can't even drive eighteen. As getting tired. But good luck, rick now. I don't want to put pressure on you, but thank of all the people. Who are counting on you now? And, Steve You. Know what that's cold because it does give me motivation. Absolutely, it gives me a reason to keep pressing forward. Did you ever think we work together at Sane? Did you ever think that I would be involved in anything like this? I was running to the Chinese buffet. That's true. That's no I never thought it would come to this, but I will say this. Rick when you said go you work for it very very hard, you always have. A total story on your right here, your H. how much you're dedicated to reaching your goals several years ago. You came up with the notion. That you wanted to own every issue of seem and too bad. You did have to spend some money now. I can't do and said look. I got an idea. My. Daughter is in Raleigh in college, and she's coming home for the summer and she has got this sculpture that she's Salon Absalon on the Dragon. Designed guys. I won't you take your car go to Raleigh, pickup. And bringing on back to Charlotte, and for that I'll pay you X. amount of dollars, and I'll give you your lunch. Money and I'll give you your gas money. Jess who did everything I asked him to do and brought everything back. You did to get extra money that you turned around and spent. On acquiring old issues of seeing that is termination. Mentioned lunch money so I was in. Red. Little. When, you said lots of money, you lost money on that deal. Steve this week we're going to share the second installment of our interview with Bill Gardner. And this week he talks about the disappointment of losing out on the nineteen seventy nine, West Cup Championship. The on again off again, relationship with Buddy Parrott and ultimately Darrell watters departure from guard. Then we talked about ricky, Rudd and Bobby Allison and then them finally get into the top of the mountain and went in the nineteen, eighty-three West Cup, championship and sugar in the tank. Riverside. That was not a sweet deal at all. Oh. How long did you work on that one? Obviously not long enough. And Steve then our second segment way. Back to the November, not take. A one Grand National Sane Steve. I got into this issue. Just looking for a dockyard store to kind of connect it to the interview with bill in this issue doesn't cover the nineteen seventy-nine Daytona five hundred doesn't cover del Earnhardt's nineteen, Ninety eight Daytona five hundred win. Is Not the nineteen ninety-two hooters, five hundred in Atlanta, but still an issue like this is exactly why we have worked so hard to get the same archive digitized preserved. This issue is just twenty eight pages, but there is amazing content on just about every single page. Bobby Allison signed drive with daugaard which left Ricky Rudd and kind of big time limbo. Neil Bonnett one Atlanta in front of Ford officials on the same weekend as Ford announced its return to the sport. And Stave there were features on James Hilton Junior tweety. Tweety and also Dale earnhardt senior leaving are CR Richard. childress, racing to go dry for Bud Moore and stayed. There is so much more in this issue. It's absolutely incredible. Well, that would. The job had back then a grand national, saying I mean we had to cover the news, because no one else was doing it and we were very busy as this issue clearly illustrates. And Steve this week. If people could possibly help, support us on patriotic. Patriarch, dot com slash the same podcast, or if they could help support us on a one time basis on pay, pal. They can do that at pay. POW DOT me. Slash the same ballpark. Guests supporters on patriotic and support. Pay Pow support cure our title sponsorship support Bryan Kehl, who has been with us for quite some time now and all the amazing apparel he has. Helped us out. Because those who have supported us have helped us get to the point where we can make this deal with Marcus, the Mona's and he can come in, and he can help us get the same digitized. He can help us make this website possible. So this is what we've been working for ever. Since we started this project, stave and the support that we've gotten on pay pal the support that we've gotten on patriotic and Frahm Q.. Q., where from Bronchail, and from so many other sources, just the encouragement, if it's not been financial support, it's been encouragement to keep us go on and help us get to this point, so Steve I can't even tell people how much I appreciate everything that they've done for us. No I can't either. I Just WanNa say that folks hang in there with us because we see a light at horizon and you want to be there with us. Well, despite what we ve already told us about you know Daryl in their relationship with him at that particular time, and despite everything taking place, say seventy, seventy eight, you go into seventy nine and you. Wins have races. First of all. How was team able to set aside whatever differences as they had? And be in contention for the championship. I Sat I tested your leadership as the good. Well. You get the right people. You have to have qualified people any business I don't care what is whether it's in your industry or whatever? We had. The talent is a matter of of getting that talent to pull the core to pull a cart in one direction. And that's not an easy thing. If people ever especially in racing attitudes and things that each individual ass. Managed to do that and put the team. I can recall we lost thing. I think but the shortest margin in history of NASCAR with eleven, points or something. We lost a championship the Richard. It was interesting because afterwards. And actually planned the big party in Las Vegas for us to fly back and in party. In! The What happened was. We're having a meeting about why we lost the race. And Robert Gates stole. That he he made a decision to use different rear end. Ratio. Being Conservative, not below the engine, and so, what really showed was instead of us. Just going all out, which petty was doing? He had nothing to lose your ad jamming whatever championships? and. I think my guys got very conservative in that race. Wanted to make sure that they didn't fall out everything else and I think that from a horsepower standpoint. It was a lesson for us to learn that. You know you gotTa let it all hang out. It was stuff to take. I'll be honest from everyone's perspective. But didn't happen after that race in Nineteen, seventy nine, you parted ways with Buddy Parrott and then right before the star of the nineteen eighty season. You Buddy. And then about halfway through the nineteen eighty season, you parted ways with him again. What was that situation like from your perspective? Most of that all came from Darrell Walter. Darrell Darrell Waltrip was behind. Working and moderating. Obviously the driver has a lot to say about group and I would say that that that whole situation have been in and out in and out. We've laid back to Darryl in his personality and who he could work with could. You! Talked about the disappointment of Guys. You're analyzed how you guys lost it. So, what was your outlook outlook going into one, thousand, nine, hundred eighty? Let's pull up your BOOT straps. We found out that we were too conservative. We should we shouldn't have. We should have won the race. We had we had the capabilities, and had we not been had we not been so? Petty Petty was going for his. Nothing. Deal him in respect to. It wasn't as I. This was our first both the team and the driver. And I would say that. That will we learn from? That is not not not be so conservative it. As! We were it because we all felt it was a shame. We all looked at each other and. You know. Between between the driver and Darling in my brother and myself and Yates. We just couldn't. Couldn't believe that. We, we just didn't close close out the deal, and but that that's good, because sometimes that that makes you stronger. You know you, you you you, then you. You take more risks next time. At that time, two car teams were not the norm. And into the nineteen eighty season, there was evidently word that you were planning to run don. WHITTINGTON in a second car and Darryl was not happy about that. How did that situation eventually get resolved? Well, I I explained to Daryl. Good would Whittington Whittington up to my brother and. And and I I think they bought. They bought one engines, or they never buying stuff off us. And I really wasn't involved in any of that then. But then. He? He wanted to run a few races. And was willing to pay easy Nora SOPs money. And you know. I kind of told my brother I, said. You guys make the decision as to whether. This affects our main team in any way. Then don't do it you. It's not the end of the world. And they came to the conclusion that. That was just a situation where it was only only a racer. I forget the deal wasn't any long term. Thing was strictly even buying a ride. Basically for one race or whatever it was. and. My team got together and decided because most of the decisions we made. We made informally. you get your business better when you allow people to express their opinions and in blend together with that situation was never a competitive thing against our alert. Or was it even discussed? To. My knowledge was kind of like a one off No, no different than Yates was. Selling engines and you had engines and half the rate at three scars. People didn't know, but. It wasn't usual for us to feel another. We did build cars for AJ point in Rutherford. Back in the early days at Daytona which didn't turn out to be as part of my learning curve. That! That was not a good deal. We need to deal with. It was A. Nothing. Burger I'LL BE WANNA put it. Darryl had tried get out of his contract in nineteen seventy go drive for Harry Ranier. In nineteen eighty. He gets an offer from junior Johnson. You had the whole situation with Buddy Parrott. You had some turnover in the team. was there ever a point where you said okay? That's it I'm done. I'm close up shop I'm going back to Connecticut. Alternately kept you around. Well. First of all Darryl Young. In in in in. You know had these ideas is always. The grass is always greener on the other side. Harrier rear come along throughout, and then when I taught the Harry. Harry you do realize that you cannot talk to my restaurant. In the same conversation with junior. And I said because you. You're going to have a problem legally with me. And they got it because they were. Not so much junior junior got whether his lawyers told them what. NATO, and of course they hold out. Totally they add to or I would assume. But. Darryl was I. Forget the first eight. You gave he was unhappy. In we'd go through his contract. And what is it that Joran happiness in a lot of times? It was ridiculous. And as you know if you went back to the right person you found that. He's continued to drive for us. You know and he. He just was showing every year. He had a whole new deal you know. After a while I just took it. His is Just a bump in the road. You know the grass is greener on the other side situation. Until he decided. How could the grass get any greater than driving a gatorade car? Well I mean. Let's face it. I mean when he and his his. Father in law came to Connecticut I. told me that all along was backing him. Was Not at a position to do it anymore, because of the public company. Couldn't couldn't sponsor and Daryl. You had run up some bills. And he really needed a deal. And the all new drivers run across that me. and. He obviously talented and. I was very happy and I I said that an incident that happened with my brother pulling into a gas station off the highway. Lori and egg twice was fortuitous. It just just mind boggling this day, and that that really set wills motion that I felt to his. Action going on this deal. On Me Nineteen hundred. Did get out of his contract. Did go drive for junior now. We're all her different stores about how that happened. Tell us how it happened. How how he luck, yeah, how he got out of that contract. What did what did they? Thought, he could walk he. He just didn't understand that there. That the contract called, he would have to buy his contract out right. You didn't quite understand all the nuances with respect to that thirty bucks. But you know. Gatorade had spent a whole bunch of money home. They said earlier conversation with with with. Getting Ready for the next year. In what I wanted. What I WANNA was a financial settlement. If I was going to let them go. I needed a financial settlement affair one out of him that made you know these obligations that were set for for next. The follow year is absorbed by him. It just was not a fair deal. So, that's all it was good that. We did that and let them go. Ricky Rudd lasted one year as your driver. Not Eighty one was that because he wasn't able to quite break into victory lane or was that because Bobby Allison became available for eighty two season. I think the team was so used to being very highly competitive with Darrell. And, Ricky. You know we. We gave them the best equipment and again he was in his learning stages. and. I had to make a decision Bobby Bobby made himself available to us. And when you measured up, the two sides didn't take me long to. To figure out. That we should do that, but I went I went a step further. We we are also being approached by Miller was the largest sponsorship in rural racing at the time. And I was under a long term contract Gatorade I also was best friends with the chair. and. Stokely told me I told. The deal had two years left on the contract and built. Take it is there much. They have much more marketing dollars to spend or we. Do you know And I said well. Here's the quid pro quo. Why am I help you? with respect to Ricky Rudd in and. We've helped I forget. One time ago, so I can't remember everything but. We we put our effort behind that situation, so that bill stokely in Gatorade. Would would be as competitive as they could. So we were we were trying to move on ourselves by having the ability of superstar driver like Bobby. And Yet not not injuring. You know the the young fellow. He didn't take it that way. I don't think but. I. Don't even think that his day. He knew what what what what I have done behind the scenes for his benefit. Will Be. Okay nineteen, eighty, two Daytona five hundred. There was a rumor a a legend. Whatever you WANNA. Call it. And from your reaction, you know what I'm going to ask. Bumper. bobbies bumper was somehow rigged to come off now. What did happen? Was Albro Kelly wrote his the back of our car. And it wasn't it was. Not Rigged dealer. However, he it'd. In bumped us it. Caused this link to come off. We were much shock as everybody else. There was no games. There was no I mean you would never do that because that would injure somebody if that bar came off. You know intentionally to gain weight. Situation now, we. We didn't do that. That was. Actually just an incident that was cost. And They've given us an advantage. You know weight wise or whatever I also could have done other things. Not to ninety, two, nineteen, eighty-three, the championship comes down to Darrell. WALTRIP and Bobby Allison. Given your past relationship with Darryl? What was it like to watch all that going on? Well. I like competition so. Junior were formative and. And, we believe we were formative as well you know. We went from the big three to where we were nothing. Now we're down to two teams winning everything. And that of course was my goal, and then ultimately the on top. And was was. What you look for, if you're in a sport and you WanNa, win you WanNa. Be Against the best going against junior and Darryl. Off and we felt we had just as much chance, and we did as as they did. And We gave it our best shot. Came up short. Nineteen eighty-three. Bobby took the lead in the standings after the spring Dover race and he was out front for the rest of the year. and. It's the first championship, not only for Bobby, but also for daugaard. What did that mean to you? After everything that had transpired with your tame, and all the controversies that you've been through. What did it mean to you to be on top? Just a high federal high because. You work so hard to put put together something. And have it reached the pinnacle, and they come close so many times. I mean seventy nine. Eighty eighty two we could have won. We could have free championships. They were that close, and I wouldn't be sitting with one championship, but the records show that we were very very close, but. To win. The championship was was the goal that we set out from the beginning and I was just lad to to. Share that with our entire team? Who worked very hard? And you know with my brother and. Robert Gates who? Go back way. Is just fabulous individuals and in. In Gary, Nelson was just fabulous. And putting putting the three of them with with with bobby together was was. was, fabulous was big high I was very high. There was a story circulated that it riverside. There was some kind of sugar residue found the fuel cell of the car now. What was your reaction to lack? Well. I guess I can say now. I I I was. Those in the hotel and in in New York, with my wife for the awards, thanks. And I got a call from Bill French, Junior. and. The car had gotten back to Charlotte. And I had got a call from my brother from Robert from Gerry. That they knew there was a problem with the car in the. And, They. Obviously saw was all clogged up. carburetors clog with sugar. Which meant somebody sabotage? Our fuel tanks that were supposedly guarded by Union. Oil. NASCAR at the time. Luckily, one we could. When we were discussing it. It was a good thing that we put one gas tank into the car instead of the other. Because if we put the other one in, we probably wouldn't have finished race. So bill called me up. and. He said he sent his cruel up to Charlotte. to look at the. Situation. And he asked me if I would please not. Make this big thing the works. And I agreed I said it's. Just today's knows, but it's something we have to deal with because. Out You know we could have easily walked. lost. The points the number of points. And the interesting part of it was I said to bill French Junior. SCIBELLI. Run if my car, but the other tank in in my car didn't make enough laps to come in I. would. What would you have done or the championship to do? Daryl. And he said Yeah. And I was fellow. said the I said. You know that's kind of. Strange. I said. He said what we have to go by the rules looks bill. Said well then. We obviously have to find out what happened. And try to correct. This never happens again. We were sabotaged. But Luckily. Luckily we. We have enough. Regular fuel to get around the racetrack, the number of laps to complete. It was a mess, but we kept it under wraps because. We felt it wasn't in the best interest so the sport. And that I was given I was given. Bill Junior told me that he would do everything in his power to make sure that. The the controls over that type of situation in the future would be. would be much stricter in controlled, but it did happen. That's the that's the real take. The obvious question is this. What do you think happened? How do you think that sugar got in there? No. We we we couldn't figure out. I had that discussion. Don't Bill Junior and my guys I said who would do this. Who had access to the union? Seventy six tags? Who who has us all work? You know obviously NASCAR takes the tanks in as the responsibility of solar responsibility fell on NASCAR, watch. Somebody would sugar in our tax, so they didn't want us to win. Was it was some worker Bee i? Never found the answer out. Probably? Never find against huck. We weren't accusing anyone so, but my concern was that. NASCAR would take up a much stricter. There's stand. On control over things like that if they're going to take those controls away from us. You know a car owner team. Pretty ugly. And? It could have got worse if you'd had that other take in the car if we talked about our God, we said if you had chosen. You know that of the to tax for listening I we may not have made it around the racetrack. Wind up the. Rare, so this was a situation where it was in two tanks. What. No, the one must have been clean. Because we managed to finish the race. It wasn't until we bought the second tank in that we started the sputter, and in all kinds of things were happening near the end of the race in now. You guys couldn't figure it out, bobby, all kinds of. The aged. What's going on with this car? And the, but it was near the end of the race, so we were able to wherever we finished was very high. enabled us to still win the championship. I think we came in eight. I think or something, but we had a much better car than that, but. The Davis the win for the championship, and and quite frankly I honored my mind deal Bill French junior to. So, leave it leave. A word is they've put him much stronger controls today and You know. Different worlds, but it did happen. Hello Seen Ball podcast listeners. This is Eric Quick from Q. Where again I just want to say. Thank you for listening to the scene ball podcast Rick Steve. The wonderful interviews they've been doing with the folks from Nascar. The drivers crew chiefs, the people that made it all happen over the years that we are very proud to be a part of this podcast being able to bring it to you especially at a time when you have limited entertainment options. We hope that you're. 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What I'm sure was not a little bit of animosity between the two. And they go into the season and they have this amazing year right up to Talladega when they're leading in the standings by two hundred and twenty nine points over Richard. Petty now Steve What do you think allowed them to set aside all that junk? Well to be able to be as competitive as they were early. In that taste of well I think has combination of talent and determination, and what they did was in my opinion was say okay. We got the things going on a little bit of animosity, but we started out the season pretty good and we got something going here. Let's please put this all side and see what we can do. In Nineteen, seventy nine, so I think the combination that obviously the town that was on that team, both behind the wheel, and in preparation for. For the car all that talent and determination mind to have them poised to win a championship, which is exactly what they wanted to do well Steve. We do know that over the last ten races are so of the year that leads slowly, but surely dwindled to the point where there was just two points separating Darrell Waltrip in Richard pay going into the season finale at Ontario Dr, Walter Pass problems in the season finale in finishes eight, which cost him the title badge seven points, and at that time that was the smallest margin ever. I. Don't know how much consolation that will. But the gloves maybe came off just a little bit and one way talk to buddy, Parrott a was filling machi was kinda made out to be the scapegoat, and there were rumors that he had somehow thrown the championship. Daryl, so I don't know what went on, but buddy wound up. Getting fired right after the season finale, and then he was rehired right before. Before the started that next season in nineteen eighty, but then he was fired midway through the nineteen eighty season, and when I talked to him or the podcast, and certainly in the next week's issue Grand National Sane Steve I'm going to be honest with you. He sounded just a little bit relate when we asked Bill Gardner about that situation, he's basically said. That? It was Darrell Waltrip call so Steve. What do you remember about that whole? Sira remember that was very odd. I mean fired at the end of the season was not a great big surprise because they set a goal of winning, a championship fell very very short of that goal and I think there were some hard feelings after that, and but he may be right I mean he may well have been the scapegoat now think about this it'd be was considered the scapegoat at the time. As the next season approach, a public realized that. They weren't going to be anybody better at that particular time and say okay. We may have made a mistake by calling in the scapegoat. Let's bring him back because we know what he can do. I think the end result was buddy left team. In nineteen, eighty and nineteen eighty, Darrell. Waltrip gets this offer to drive four junior Johnson before daugaard and bill. Gardner came law drivers change teams was a relatively simple matter from what I understand. That driver got what he considered to be a better deal, and then that driver went to current team owner, and said that he wanted to move on and Steve Even, though there might have been some hard Valens. There were quite often hard villains, but eventually the driver and the team owner parted ways, so the driver could take the new deal. The saint that way I was that way pretty much and the team owners were action through the driver. One Laborers US League I. Don't want anybody here doesn't want to be. Accurate accurately you go ahead. That was the old school nascar way of doing things now Bill Gardner. Didn't have that kind of background. He was a businessman who went by the letter of the law and the contract, and these were ironclad contract. The likes of which NASCAR had rarely have ever seen before, and when we talked to Darrell, Hey said that he had just signed a three year contract. and. So! That meant that Darryl was going to drive four. DAUGAARD. Next three days right and wanting to build garner that was. Real was not about. Let him have that contract. Not Free. Anyway. That was the way that it was going to be two bills credit. He did explain that. Because of this contract ban in place, Gatorade had proceeded to create advertising. They put all this effort into Darrell, drive inform and nineteen ninety one in would have anyway. Beal said that was his way to maybe compensate gatorade. He said he didn't make any money off the deal. Well the fact that he had a contract with Daryl probably was a good reason for gatorade. Some money and promote heavily Daryl's imaging. The cars imaging anything like that. Because that contract offered them assurances that would would-be with the team, and therefore they felt comfortable spending the money. Had it been a handshake deal? I'm not sure that they would have done what they wanted to do. So if he was get out of that contract, it was gonNa Cost Daryl and it did cost. According to him it caused him three hundred and twenty five thousand dollars hours a lot a lot of money anytime. I was GONNA. Say that. That was pretty steep Steve. What kind of ripples did that in through the garage when that contract had to be bought out, was that a turning point for the way that business was conducted? I think so because more and more after that particular time team driver associations were spelled out with a contract and remarkably use always nearly always a three year contract now every contract with different and I'm sure some had options here and there for the team in a driver to split, but three year deal is based upon the principle they would. Would take a team three years to become championship caliber. That's what they thought at that time. So in nineteen eighty one ricky rudd comes to drive for guard and at the end of the year bobby. Allison comes along and they have an opportunity with him. So that leaves Kinda Ricky Rudd in the Lurch, and they don't know what they're gonNA. Do with him, and he's Kinda on the hook, so that has to be ironed out now. We're GONNA. Talk about that in our second segment. We'll go through the issue of the week, but. But then I I ask Bill Gardner about the nineteen eighty, two Daytona five hundred and Steve as soon as the word started to come out of my mouth, and bill realized what I was going to ask him about. His face broke into this grant. And, so he knew what was coming Oh, yes. According to Bill Hey said that the bumper was not rigged, come off and that they were just as shocked as anybody when it came off and so. I stay I. Don't know I'm just GONNA. Go with a firm, no comment on that one. Nineteen, eighty, two and nineteen, eighty three, the championship comes down to Daryl and Bobby, and certainly that would have been an interesting dynamic with Dwi's pass relationship with Dad Guard and everything that had taken place between the two of them. Because of everything that happened. Do you think that they wanted to be each other? Maybe just even a little bit more than they would have if they had been going up against somebody else like Neil, monitor or whoever where? I think definitely. They wanted to win a little bit more against each other, and why not I mean it was a rivalry that was made up by circumstances that went on, and so when that happened and went elsewhere and Bob came in. Of course is going to be a rivalry. We had the existing rivalry between Darryl and bobby, which was one thing, but then you had the issues that had taken place between Darryl and Daugaard, so this was. Yeah. It must've been pretty fun to be around the sport that time and say what I was going on every week. They're wanted show got daugaard. He made the right move. And Bobby Swift, dot garden. You WANNA show Yeah Dai Guard can win championship and we can beat you finally. Bobby does win the championship and not eighty-three bid even then is not without controversy. At Riverside! The last race of the year. There is sugar residue found in the fuel sale of the car that bobby drove their first of all. What do you think happened where I don't exactly know? I probably never will exactly know but. No mistake about it. There was sugar in fuel. That is a fact. Clearly stunned by tried to sabotage Bobby's car. Everybody laughs and says it was Daryl. Daryl. I would like to think that it was just an overzealous fan now. What kind of access a fan would have to the car? Right I I don't know but. That's what I would like to believe there was anybody directly involved. Yeah, nobody in the garage. Right crack. I sorta agree with you on that. I can't imagine anybody trying to do that to another competitor. That's what we think might have happened second of all. The thing that I find so intriguing is this. There wasn't really that big flap about today. Something like that would break the Internet, but back then it was like yeah. It happened, but there just didn't seem to be a lot of talk about am I missing something there. No I don't remember being a huge controversy for Matt I. Think That was one particular reason for it. Imagine this if bobby had lost the championship. In that race because of the sugar now you're talking major controversy Oh. Yeah, lost that championship taking. The thinking was he had won the championship and I don't think anybody really wanted to make a big deal out of it because he won that championship. Stay follow Brian Caleb on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway T. S J dot oetzi Dot Com Steve this week. I didn't know it existed, but Brian actually posted a Larry mcreynolds and Robert. Yates t shirt I have never seen. I WANNA, Larry Mac, T shirt. That's all there is to it. I gotTa have a Larry mcreynolds. That's all there is to is right. Thing. That wow, he also posted a couple of bill. Elliott t shirts and a Mark Martin t shirt, the folders, six rosh rice and car I loved that pace game asks a good car, and then also stay. He posted a Winston Cup same t shirt. Those I've seen. knee-deep in West to cup saying t shirts at one time, weren't we? So against, follow Brian Cab on instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway T, S, J, dot, Oetzi, dot, com, that's speedway not s j, dot, e., S., Y. dot com. Steve the November Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-one issue of grand national saying. On page three of that issue, there was a story announcing the fact that Bobby Allison had signed a three year contract daugaard another one of those three year deals. That's right. and. Steve that was great for bobby but Ricky Rudd at driven for the team in nineteen, eighty one and he was kind of left in limbo. Absolutely This is a tough situation for him at that kind of you and Jane. Grainger teamed up on this story and it said that Dai Guard, was interested in either fielding a second car for Rakia with gatorade sponsorship, or maybe even obtaining part ownership in another team and moving ricky and Gatorade over there now. Reports were that daugaard was offering other teams ricky's contract and a possible gatorade sponsorship. For price of course, something involve. Shopping that around that one option. The story mentioned was the Bob Rogers team that Larry mcreynolds was working for at the time. The by T shirt of now. Evidently Larry mcreynolds Taser so. And that was the tame. mcreynolds had been working and Tim. Richmond was the driver, the time and Dana Williamson. who was Bob Rogers's daughter who also served as the team manager? She said the only talks that have taken place are about a possible sponsor. For next year we would pursue whichever sponsor hardee's or Gatorade was cut loose, but as for buying Ricky's contract I don't think we are really interested. In anything like that now. Gene wrote a column in the next issue. That? mentioned the fact that daugaard could have. Caused seven. Seven option years? Well that's hard to fathom, but no-one Bill Gardner and the way he did. Business I'm not totally surprised. The Guy could rock contract. Signed that contract I believe Oh would. Read the fine print. But Ricky did say in your story. I'm really in the dark. I knew that they pretty much had worked things out with bobby and that the contract was just waiting to be signed my contract dot guard means that they can pretty much do with me whatever they decided do I, knew it was pretty one-sided, signed it, but I thought they just wanted to go racing. I didn't expect to get this run around. The story listed a handful options that ricky had ricky wanted to get released guard, so he could go dry for another team, or he could accept another ride arranged by daugaard weather. It was in a second car, or with another team with Digordon, Co ownership, or through a contract purchase or Steve, and this was the worst case scenario doubt he could quit driving and accept a possible legal challenge. That was the option that ricky actually preferred if it meant still have anything to do. With driving for Daugaard Yeah I agree at that option, Bud I think the first option is the true one. Ricky one to leave Die Guard in Steve when we you and I talked to bill, he did talk about Ricky and said that he was doing things behind the scenes to help him out so I don't know whose side listeners may come down on, but regardless it did seem to be a pretty difficult situation. Ricky with seven option years. Thing that got my attention I agree and I think that was a catalyst that made ricky to leave the team, but there was something else. It was at this time that Dale Earnhardt ended his relationship with Austin and went and drove Richard, chillers for by eleven races, Nineteen eighty-one, when that season was over Rishard, admitted to me that he didn't have the material to give Dale a winning car at this point. So swindale moved over the bud. More Wrangler sponsorship now measured is looking for a driver for his team. He knows that Ricky Rudd is free, but he doesn't have a sponsor. Here comes Piedmont Airlines based in. Winston, Salem now you know who wells as based in Winston Salem. Rj Reynolds Tobacco copious. Sir I've firmly believe. They had hand and bringing Piedmont to childress, so children could continue racing, and the natural candidate was the guy that wanted leave. Ricky Rudd and that's where he went. and that's where Ricky Rudd won his first race at our CR, and that was also Arshi ours I win at. There's that relationship with Ricky Rudd and are CR that we don't think of a whole lot because of what del Earnhardt came along and eventually accomplished in that car, but I really think that Ricky's relationship with our CR is what started. Put them on the map. Map Yeah Richard told me that without. Ricky Rudd Out, Piedmont, he might well have been at the end of line Steve Neil Bonnett won the Atlanta Journal five hundred and Atlanta the weekend before, and he wound up leading fourteen times for a total of two hundred of the racist, three hundred twenty eight laps, Neil, said in your race late I don't know how much of a few used this car had on it. But I think. I might have used up all of it. I had plenty of car left at the end, but I flat pushed it all the way. I wore it out now. They're actually saved base of truth in that, because with three or four laps to go eight-hour star going flat. Yeah, I, remember that which is never good news for the later. That's what he was able to nurse it to the end, and Neil did win this race, and he was on the cover of the next week's grand national sane with his Mama and Daddy, and his daughter and wife Susan, so that was pretty Cole. Neal said in your rice lead. I noticed the car was a bit loose going in the corners. I also smelled smoke, but I didn't realize it was the tar which went flat. Victory sorry. I guess if you're going to have a flat tire. That's the place to go flat is incre circle. We know they've ride on the way. Victor's happen. Steve. was driving a wood brothers racing forward in front of Edsel Ford, the second and a housed afford executives forehead announced that weekend that it was coming back to the sport after an eleven year absence now what a perfect scenario! Ford announces the return to Nascar Ford executives are at the race, which is won by a Ford not just a Ford, but would brothers Racing Ford. WHAT A perfect scenario! Steve won yesterday's race in Atlanta Kevin Harvick. What kind of car was he driving? Go ahead a forward and. I think it was cool. What edsel Ford. The second had to say I can't say. We are coming back like we did before. We don't have the budget I. Do want to offer my personal. Thanks to the teams who have been running for products without are backing way have been behind them, even though we're not at the tracks now obviously you had to. Would brothers and you also had but more who had been. Running forward so bud Moore said in this issue anything we can get will be a blessing. We need anything we can get judy. Don Levy has one engine block. Bud was building June his engines. It's time so. junie Don, Levy has one engine block I know because I have I have one. I don't know how many Leonard S Stephen the closing stages of this race. Neal had a pre stiff challenge from Darrell. Waltrip who had one, he had won the previous four races. For Five, right and darn near got it Darah got under nail, going down the backstretch with a couple of laps to go, but then Neil got back by him, as that came to the white flag, worth flat tire with a flat tires rise. And was able to hold him off by about a car like Darryl said on the last lap I had a good line going into turn one but Kale Yarborough was on my bumper I couldn't get through turn one the way I wanted to. Also the sun bothered may gone into three. I knew I would have to try him outside, but the son got to me and I'll Austin I couldn't tell where he was and how much I could come down on him, consequently, I gave him too much room and lost my only chance to beatty darrow did finish second, and that moved him to eighty three points ahead of Bobby. Allison going into the season finale, so don't want to say that. The championship was a done deal. But it was, it was a pretty comfortable. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, everybody's certainly certainly more comfortable than two points like. Not a whole lot I sweat with this lead kill Yarbrough was behind Darrell as a mansion, but kill Yarbrough. Bra He was just going to settle on third place. He was like a dog on a bone. Which I'm sure was a huge surprise. That was usually legit. Laid back driver. Where did you get the words laid-back driver so shared with? Kale said I felt I had them set up. Seriously I wasn't running for second I felt I could take both of them on the last lap I knew they would get side by side and I was counting on getting by both of them coming off turn four, so Neil. Bonnett has a tire. Go down, but then coming off turn four Kale blows an engine. GODSE trouble. Steve, there were a ton of driver and team announcements. In this twenty eight page issue there was bobby daugaard that we've already discussed. There was any Parsons signed into draft for Rene. Arising and this story mentioned the fact that Richard. Petty had been in talks with Rene to leave petty enterprises, and possibly bring sap along, but it sounded like SDP wasn't interested in being associate sponsor a steep. He had a lifetime contract. Yeah, with Richard by we have talked about contract earlier, but this this is different. Ralph Salvino who oversaw SAP's pays rice in program said. Is going to honor his contract with us as we knew he would. We never said his cars could not be built by someone other than petty enterprises personnel, but we would carry no associate sponsorships on the car, and we won't intern being associate sponsor for another car with Richard Drive, and so steve the thing that Kinda jumped out to me was the fact that even nineteen eighty one a couple of years before he actually did make the move right. He was considering leaving petty enterprises and leaving it to cal. Yeah I think that's exactly what he was trying to do. But note what rob said. Richard did not say that he would bring SDP along as an associate. Because he knew is DP would do that with that knowledge. I don't think Richard wanted to challenge SDP in any other role as the full sponsor, and therefore it was best not Khalib at that time another story in this you had jd. Stacey signing onto sponsor. Benny Parsons in Rainier rising and Steve this one Harry milling baas Elliott racing team. This is on the same page as a story about for coming back to the sport. And so on this one page of Grand National Scene You have two stories that changed the face of NASCAR throughout the nineteen eighties and that continues. To An possess car forward. Coming back was naturally very very good, but Harry Mellon, buying Elliott racing and taking over. is in the words of Billy Elliot. The best thing that ever happened to this team that was a game changer a it. He approved it. That was a huge story, but then of course nobody knew the impact that would go on to have so that's what made this story. Special and kind of laid off the page then there was also a feature story in this issue about James Hilton junior who everybody called tweety? Tweety how about? My. Dad gave me that name when I was small and I've had it for so long. I don't remember why he ever did it or where he got it, but there's one thing they don't call me and that's junior. Tweet told me the same thing that he didn't know how he got the nickname. Went to James One time and I said. Why do you call your son Tweety? And he said you know I don't remember either where that came from, but I think it has something to do with the fact that he's weird. Okay Let's see SASQUATCH tweety. Tosseh. Now. tweety still lived at home with his parents who also owned a farm that he had worked on at one time. That's how I got to me our neighbors, but it was on unfriendly terms. The cattle get out and end up on their property, so they call me up and tell me to come get them. It was really funny because they were scared of the cattle. For no reason they are really very tame and like people now Steve. I kind of had to wonder they are really very tame, and like people talking about the cattle. Or is he talking about the neighbors? Believe the cattle. Because the neighbors were afraid if the candle. SUSS that out did you okay I? Got You? Then? There was the Tom once there were some escaped convicts in the area when I was at home. Dad wasn't around, and I was in the kitchen and heard about it on the radio I turned around and saw that my mother had let these three guys in the living room. I was just frozen, but what it was it was snowing in. Their car was stuck in a ditch. They wanted me to tow them out. Well I, I. Think I. Believe. We had the right to be a little bit hesitant, right? And Steve. I do share this store on James Hilton Junior tweety Hilton, and back in April two thousand nineteen. James Twee lost their lives in a traffic accident on the way home from rice at Talladega, so to see this story I. Believe is a tribute to twenty. Very appropriate, I think you're a hundred percent right and what are wet tragedy that was for racing for James and tweedy to lose their lives and not accident. Stay finally there was another feature in this issue about Dylan Hartley even Richard shelters to drive a Ford for Bud Moore and Steve Most everybody that listens this podcast. They know the details. They know about right Australian. They know that he sold the team to J. B Stacey Midway through the night today. Once as and Dale drove for jd for a handful of races, but then he went to are cr Richard childress racing. At the end of the day they all went winless and didn't win a pole position in nineteen eighty one. is so he did decide to make a move as you mentioned a few months ago. Dell said in this story I see opportunities with bud tomorrow thinking he's a down to Earth. Hard working man devoted rising, it's what he does for a living I also dry for a living I. Don't do it for fun and I don't do it part time I eat sleep and drink. Racing is better off that I joined bud. Who is on the same wavelength as I am my driving? Driving, contract and salary are secondary to me in terms of my deal. The most important items are competitive cars. hard-working mechanics in management. Now retired chillers did tell Dale that those things were things he needed at at that time. He just couldn't provide them. After joining are CR Dale Finish not than his first grace with the team at Michigan. So that was that was okay short, they crashed at. At Bristol he finished sixth Darlington and Richmond and Fifteenth Dover, but then he blew up Martin's will. He finished fourth at North Wilkspur had an ignition go out at Charlotte finished ninth Rockingham. He blew an engine in Atlanta and then he finished fourth riverside, so stay. That was definitely a rollercoaster Oh yes, by all means send. It wasn't the roller coaster ride Dale. Wanted del continued in this story. Story being with Richard childress. This year has brought me down to Earth. It's open my eyes a little, and I think that it has been good for me. I was a little bit spoiled. Before I had everything I needed or could want to bake competitive. If I didn't have it, someone could get it for me. I just took it for granted that what I needed would be here. But with Richard We've been on a budget. He's had to make money and the teamwork together. He's had to keep it all. On a budget and Steve. That wasn't a criticism. I think that. Are. Say were friends, but he wasn't saying exactly the results that he thought they. Understood Richard position well very well. And when the opportunity dry for bud, which came with the running of sponsorship by the way arose down you, he had to take it and let Richard Continue to expand this program I certainly don't think that there was any animosity. Now. Del concluded and said Arce has been hard working and honest. He's done whatever needed to be done. He's given two hundred percent I. Say joining him when we did was the best way could have done. At the top Deo win and he drove for Bud for two years, and then he returned to Richard Childress, racing, and nineteen, ninety four, and the rest is never the same. The rest is history. Finally. There was a photo spread as always and Delma cowart. Made his Winston, Cup debut at Atlanta. And he started fortieth and finished eighteenth for car owner Haywood grooms now that may be the all time. Greatest car owner named all of NASCAR history Haywood grooms I liked it. But in this issue, there is a picture of Dalma, cowards car in his Winston Cup debut and then Steve a couple of weeks ago. We mentioned Ronnie Sanders and right here. He is in the photo spread, pushing his car out. Qualify and he missed the deadline for less than a minute here on the same podcast. We're already sanders all the time. And finally for fans of Bowman, Gray Stadium and the mad house, television show and my stand as the pace car driver Bowman Gray stadium. Necessary Oh, yeah, it is that was a highlight of my career anyway for fans above and grey? Stadium Junior Miller. Was the Winston Cup spotlight photo this week. So there's junior Miller and then in the InFocus photo at the back of the issue, there is a very hip look in Jim France. I bet you had sideburns right. He did. Speed you're listening to the scene vault podcast. Stay voting day for the Nascar Hall of Fame Tamar. Do you know who you're? GonNa, vote for you. Well. I'm not saying. I'M GONNA keep it under rap, but. It's different. It's different this year we got three guys are going to make the hall of Fame Yeah Yeah Two of them from Kalo, a modern day era at one from the new class, the pioneer class. That's why I played a pretty good row, and I'm going to be very interested to see what happens here. Okay now there's no pressure here. But I put up a poll on our youtube community. About the pioneer class, and who everybody would vote for, and these are the results. Dave Herschel Graph got ten percent of the vote. Jake elder got thirteen percent of the vote. Ralph Moody Got Twenty one percent of the vote. Red Farmer got twenty seven percent of the vote and Banjo. Matthews got twenty eight percent. Yesterday they were tied. At about thirty percent or whatever it was, but red farmer twenty-seven Percent Banjo Matthews Twenty eight percent. I think it's going to come down to those two to be very honest with you. So which one are you gonNa vote for I'm not saying. Okay Let's go. That's fine. We don't discuss politics here. On the same podcast. The net goes right up to and including the NASCAR. Hall of fame. Pioneer ballot evidently. How's it going on your basement? And look at it. Last week and it's GonNa. Cost us about seventy four hundred. With everything going on, if water in our basement is the worst thing we gotta deal with. We'll be okay.

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A 20 Minute Power-Based Field Test

FasCat Cycling Training Tips Podcast

59:28 min | 9 months ago

A 20 Minute Power-Based Field Test

"From coaching I'm Frank Overton and this is our training tips. Podcast being able to get faster is based on being able to you gotta crime the DOJ out to laugh on the battlefield. Shit Kill Them. I always always an advocate that you could accomplish more with sweet spot training the riding alone fall gas as hard as you can. Performance Endurance Nutrition and weight. Loss is all about winning. The kitchen is what would Allah Philippe do? Just feel yourself getting faster. Welcome to the fast cap podcast where we're on a mission to make you faster cycles. Pascal founder head coach Frank. Overton welcome to the fast podcast. I'm your host Frank. Overton some comedy the Big Cat and today we are talking about a twenty minute. Power based field test done done one key question. We ask ourselves as as coaches fast cat is if the athlete is responding to the training. We have prescribed AKA. Are they getting faster? And our favorite experiment to answer. This question is a good old fashioned. Twenty minute powerbase field test which is free and can be conducted anywhere in any time that the athlete is prescribed that in the training plan. And you can't do that with the lactate tests. You can't do that with the ramp test. You don't get that from a power profile test one of the reasons. I like a twenty minute. Power based field tests is because you do it in training as a test but then you also will get a is. You can effort from a race from a training event like a group ride and so then you have a very nice data set of these twenty. Minute efforts littered throughout the year and it helps a coach like myself an athlete. Like yourself monitor your power threshold your functional threshold power. And what is the single greatest determine of cycling? That's right your power at threshold. The higher power threshold is the better. You're going to be doing at your races. Your group rides. You know the faster you'll be and without getting into that. The twenty minute field test is something that we can do in training. That's going to translate out to what you're doing out in the road and that's why like it. It's super simple. It's very easy to perform. And I'm going to tell you about that. And the details behind that in this podcast but first. Let's do some announcements reviews of the week. The first review comes from Brandon about our corona plan which is a four weekend or cycling training plan that we gave away a back win. The Corona virus pandemic hit mid March Brandon. Says FIRST OFF? I just want to say. Thank you for saving my fitness this year. You're welcome when this pandemic started. I had to cut all the luxuries from my life and paying. My monthly fitness bill with my cycling team was the first to go. Luckily with a combination as whipped. I've really enjoyed the plan and I came out faster than I was before with. My only hopeful long-term then being the fills fondaco double down on the sixteen week. Plan to hopefully lineup with Phil's does in October. My only feedback is the plans for the recovery days for me. It made it difficult to process what was quantifiable as success. But I did come away feeling fresher most times all the best. Well thank you brandon and thank you for your feedback and good luck. It fills Pondo. We hope to see you there and I chose to read your review of the week because of what you mentioned about the recovery days and athletes do have trouble Processing what you. What you describe as quantifiable success and to be honest a successful rest day is doing nothing and I mentioned that cause. A lot of cyclists were type. A we're go go go accomplish. -CCOMPLISH accomplish gotta be productive all the time and a recovery. Day doesn't feel like that because you don't do anything and for me. As a coach. Successful Recovery Day is when an athlete lays on. The couch takes a nap. Gets an extra hours. Sleep wins in the kitchen by spending that extra time preparing food or cooking. A nice meal is generally a removing stress physically and psychologically and then waking up the next day and feeling ready to go I can judge successful. Arrestee is if your legs feel fresh the next day kind of like what you described so I would say as Eric Success and we prescribe those on our training plans twice a week. Yeah twice a week in so that Increases the quality of your power output when you are training and then enables you to recover. Balance Life. Most of our listeners are probably parents have a career job. Things are stressful anyway. Right now and recovery days or helped to to balance that so they do serve a purpose. We just don't see that You know with all the training metrics and so forth and then anecdotally when athletes don't take their training plan out take their recovery days. We do notice a decrease in their power output and then though you athletes run the risk of burnout and war over training. And it's just a you don't even want to go there so bottom line take your rest days and we hope to see it fills found out. Okay I tunes. Review of the WEEK COMES FROM J. Rod fifty-three by eleven love that handle. And he leaves a five Star Review and says eight-plus training program a complete training program with all without all the fancy and overcomplicated interval. Design the best out there for those looking for results without the additional cognitive. Load all right. Well thanks Rod fifty three eleven and one thing about that you know look. Training is not that complicated. It doesn't need to be you know you work hard. You go hard. You take your rest days you modulate your training volume you. Bow Onside out with your training load in your recovery. You you have a plan you follow it you commit to the process and I think you know I was just like seeing something on twitter the other day and like Steve Jobs saying you know if you need power point you're not you don't fully understand your what you're talking about and You know if you ever hear people give these long winded complicated. You know explanations. The underlying tone is you really. Don't fully understand what you're talking about until you're able to explain it in simple terms in for me for us. That's kind of like training plan design. We present it to athletes and very simple manner easily to execute. And for that you know they are productive. They produce results in the with the workout. Builder Training Peaks. I mean you can get as complicated as they come down to the second of all these like progressive warm ups and and just a super duper complicated workout that you have to write down like that's the other thing like when athletes have to write down a workout in tape it to their stem or referred to their phone or a piece of paper in order to do their work out in my book. That's just too complicated. I grew up. You know you do three by ten this this and that Watson and always tell athletes. It's a cerebral sport in and you know you need to think during your race plan ahead for what's coming and make an action plan. You need to be able to adapt to the situation at hand and for that when you you know clip into your bike and you leave the house. You kind of need to know what you're doing a mentally you know. Don't rely on a workout builder to dictate what you what you need to be doing in your workout like a lot of athletes use the workout builder feature training peaks and it literally tells them what to do and win on their bike computer and they don't even look at it before they step on the bike. They just let the computer tell them what to do. And then all of a sudden when it saying one hundred and twenty percent there like you know you need to go to bed the night before. No one what you're doing the next day and that's how you prepare mentally and get psyched up for your workouts and it's just a good practice to be in also training doesn't need to be that complicated you you've got to put in your time. You gotta work hard and you got to recover women the kitchen do some sweet spot and do some long rods minerals. Bam. You'll get faster. Thanks for that all right getting back to the twenty minute power based field test. Oh one final thing I want to mention. Excuse me today may seventh. Twenty twenty faithful listeners will recognize this date two years ago Jackson and I record very first podcast. That's right. We are ninety nine episodes in and to commemorate. We're GONNA do an anniversary episode next week. Jackson is off the grid delaying millennial things right now. And so I'm out on the twenty minute powerbase tests and we're going to get our ducks in a row. And we're going to commemorate this momentous occasion the ninety ninth episode two years ago. And if you want a good lesson go back and listen to the. May Seven th two thousand eighteen episode then Jackson and I. We didn't really have a plan. We just started talking into the microphone. We went through fast cats fifteen year history at that point and I thought at that point it would be interesting to tell our listeners where you know how fast cat got started where we've been maybe to give them a glimpse into where we're going. At that time we had not come up with winning in the kitchen. We had not come up with. Ftf We had not developed a lot of the themes that we talk about on a regular basis in our podcast. And we did that during the podcast. So I'm extremely grateful for the listeners. Out there that have given us your feedback asked US questions. Do they ask a fast cat? Podcast in a really helped us. Further develop our philosophy and our mission which is to help you ride the bike faster. And that's that's our goal. That's fast cats goal. We do that through our training plans through our coaching. And through this podcast. And so thank you for listening. We are extremely grateful and so without further ADO. I'm get into the twenty minute. Powerbase Field Test. You can go to fast cat. Coaching DOT COM forward slash tips. And then look at our twenty minute powerbase field test training tip if you want to read along and learn more but without further ado here we go so way back. When before I became a coach I was a research scientist. And I designed experiments to answer questions in the laboratory. I was in biotechnology and academic medical research molecular biologist. I petted a lot of DNA of a tissue culture lab at the Bowman Gray School of medicine at Wake Forest University in Winston Salem North Carolina. I scrubbed in and I ran a sterile environment. I- cultured Spinal cord cells from rats and I grew though cells in a malaria and then we co culture motor neurons on top of that to measure on neuron growth and we conducted all sorts of experiments to see if we could control motor neuron growth in order to figure out how to saw a spinal cord injury and so that was the job. I had right out of college. It was the worst paying job. You possibly could could get. I think I made like I don't even remember. I think it was like nine dollars an hour. I mean I came home with less than a thousand dollars every two weeks when I got out of college but it was extremely valuable into my life experience in a here it was. I got to work in an academic lab with PhD's and post Docs and graduate students. Every morning I met with my Pi and we talked about the experiments and experimental design. And that helped me form scientific philosophy and I bring that up not to humble brag but really to relate that to a field test in when you are performing a field test you are performing a an experiment and you're asking yourself. How fast am I and if you control all the variables like we're going to talk about in this podcast you will be able to answer. The question has my worked and I think that's what is most important. Are you getting faster? And a good twenty minute. Fill tests will answer that and then analysis of similar as hard as you can go twenty minute efforts during races during group ads. We'll also answer that question. And so everyone wants to know if they're getting faster or they're getting slower and a lot of times you know if athletes power threshold from twenty minute test does not go up. That either means. They're not recovering enough. They're not training enough or something else is going on so I do like to do these tests from time to time as a shot across the bow to prevent any basically just to answer that question. 'cause that's why we do what we do and so fast. We perform experiments designed to evaluate. Our Current. Athletes is physiology. There are field tests the beginning and the end of many of our six week training programs for you to do on your own. And it's the most practical most relevant test with the exception of a forty K. Tom Trial and that that's has been the gold standard for a long time. Unfortunately we don't have many K. Tom Travels these days in the United States. But that is the definition of functional threshold. Power SIXTY MINUTE MAXIMAL POWER AND. I'm not going to get into all the different ways that there are to set your FTP because there are a bunch and they're all good. And I think as long as you choose one and repeat it and don't introduce a second test or anything like that you're going to be on the right track. That's going to be your apples to apples. And when you do a twenty minute field tests. That's repeatable which is the biggest a caveat or just advantage to that. You're you're going to get good data back every time and but if you were to do a twenty minute field test or lactate tests. Those are two different results. Same Way with like a ramp test or a power profile. You're measuring different things and those. We'll help you arrive at the same thing. But if you really want to know your twenty minute powers besseges go full gas for twenty minutes. And then it's very apples to apples and informs a nice data. Set in the past fast cat has had a exercise physiology lab in in that lab. I developed a maximal lactates steady state test and the goal. There was to replicate what they athletes. Power threshold is because what I noticed. A lot of athletes who go into lab get a lactate tests they get some power number of what their threshold was but then we would prescribe training that and they would say it's too hard or too easy and whenever an athlete would come in and with endure lactate tests we would still have to go cinema out on the road to do a twenty minute tests and recognizing the limitations of a twenty minute test. We sought to combine the two act take tests and a twenty minute. Test in two maximal steady state tests. And we do. We did pretty good. We even did a small research study where we had athletes go out. And the the purpose of the research study was to measure the reliability and the liberty of our MLS protocol and we had athletes that volunteered that went out north of Boulder and win as hard as they could for sixty minutes and we had them come into the lab. Do the maximum lactate steady state testing. We compared the difference and we did find that athletes do tend to perform A little under Compared to outside which is supported in the literature and that's also supported just in the bio mechanics of 'em indoor cycling and the very common question is should. I have to FTP one door and one for outdoor course he answer is no but that. That's that's what we found out from from that test and so we have investigated that eventually. We did shelved that because it was impractical. You know Cyclists need to test in reality at minimum of two or three times per year and getting back into the lab is cost prohibitive. And it's not practical for many athletes. And plus you have the indoor power. It tends to be less than outdoor power but really a properly conducted field tests cuts to the core. Cycling performance gives a great physiological assessment of an athlete. And as I referenced. That is the the scientific publication Coil and Handy Coggan guest on three weeks ago and it was in the Journal of Applied Physiology from nine hundred ninety eight determinants of endurance and well trained cyclists and your threshold powers widely recognized to be the single greatest determinant of cycling performance. That's why we measure. That's why we use it to say your power based in Harvey base zones and to just answer that question. Our is the training working. Are you getting faster okay? So how do you conduct a field test? It's not as complicated as you would think. In essence a twenty minute powerbase field test. It's riding as fast in hard as you can for exactly twenty minutes. Just stop at twenty minutes right on the dot user. Use Your bicycle computer in absolutely turn yourself inside out. Collapse in the ditch goes hard as you can to exhaustion for twenty minutes. And it's just like a twenty minute time trial so for those of you done at twenty minute time. Trolleys twenty minute hill-climb for mountain bikers. You know it's going as hard as you can write off the line. Same way for cyclocross racers and really all you need to do is record your average power output. It should be very same similar to your normal is power output. And then you can use that number to determine your wattage base zones and when done properly it's a maximal effort that's the in you've controlled for single variable by going hard as you can't and so we're not talking ninety eight percent or ninety percent not in. You can't do anything more than one hundred percent in you can mentally but physiologically hundred percent if you if you do it feel test at one hundred percent every single time you're GonNa get good data back and a lot of athletes comeback. And they'll judge their field test and they'll be like well this and that and I am reminded of what my graduate student graduate. School professor said to me once when? I was presenting the data to him. He said you need to trust your data and listen to what your data is telling you. Do not try to infer what the data isn't presenting saying and so I don't know what I don't recall the exact situation but he was like look. Here's what your data says. You're saying something different. You're bringing your emotions into the experiment. And and that's what I think. What a lot of cyclists do if you go out and do a field test at two hundred and eighty watts and then you're like well. I was really good for three zero five. No no that's not the way it works. Maybe so and I get that but on this day you can only do. Two hundred and eighty watts. If you're ultimately measuring performance go on that particular day your two eighty and then you may want to ask yourself why you think you could do such and such but a lot of people just need to trust their data and it is what it is. And that's why I do like a field test and that's also why I honestly I do not like ramp tests and lactate tests. I mean they just. There's too much interpretation. Twenty minute field test boils right down to it. How fast can you go for twenty minutes? And it's as simple as that. So how do you do a twenty minute fill test? I mean just find a stretcher road. That's free of stop signs defensive possible any section of road that requires the athletes to stop. Pedalling ideally you find it. Two to three percent steady grade hill like we have in left hand. Canyon steeper climbs tend to bug gear cadence down. And then that's going to skew the test results so like there's power ban and so when you start going up a really steep hill you may be good good over eighty. Rpm's for example for the first ten minutes but then as you fatigue cadence drops and then you're mashing and then you don't find the watts come as easy and that's a whole separate podcast but generally avoid climb that's too steep and also one thing that happens with athletes here in boulder so we have flagstaff mountain bikes at fruit. It's it's I mean it's like outdoors level but it's pitchy. It's it's it's not steady grade some at some parts. It's like six seven percent and you can just crush the watts. But in other parts the grade levels out to like one or two percent and everyone's what's plummet and so you're always chasing a number athletes go out too hard and then they go out to easy. It's steep at the beginning and they go they just they overshoot then it's flat and then they can't make the watts and it just makes for a whole frustrating event and down that out just to a win save two hundred power from field tests up flagstaff but analyzed quite a lot including pros who all pros to Joe's flagstaff. His tough you have to be extremely extremely experienced cyclists in even when Phil did his. Komo attempt of flagstaff. If you go back and watch the youtube videos the first attempt we he overshot and then he we analyze the data and then we use that data to come up with a different pacing plan and then he went back and improved upon his time using that data in pacing. But then you gotta go. Watch the video to sue the rest. I digress. Point is steady Great Hill. And then if you don't have a steady great hill a flat road will do. Little dissent are fine. Though small undulations normalized power will take care of that. What you really want to control for is youth physically mentally going as hard as you can for twenty minutes and then if you do one test say here in. May wherever you do it. Just make sure you can go back. Start from the exact same point and then that'll that'll make it apples to apples. And so you don't do it on two different stretches road. Don't use two different power meters. Yeah that that is a big thing these days some white doing it on your time travel by or row by now you know. Different brand power miners tend to produce different numbers. Smart chain owners to your real power meter. Don't get me started. It's just that's why I have gray hair so really apples to apples. Everything the same repeatability repeatability repeat a building So really you're just go out your time-trial pace and you know you just gotta own it and just get down to you. Know as hard as you can. And it's if you you know the pundits out there will say why don't you do a sixty minute field test? I'm in agreement. If you really want to know your power threshold go do a sixty minute field test. That number is your FTP. That is what happens when an athlete does a forty K. Tom Trout and like I said we don't. We don't have those anymore. If you do a sixty minute hill-climb that's that's your threshold. And so the cool thing about doing a twenty minute test or if you happen to do a sixty minute test when you go out and perform which is what field tests measures and then you get further results. This is our previous podcasts. Using normalized power to measure Ftp improvement if you do eight watts. Higher than what your FTP was previously sat. Guess what you're training working. You got faster that is super motivating to me. And that's why like a twenty minute field tests which is what you don't get from ramp test and take tests and so forth so that's why race data is the best data. That's often times when you're going to turn yourself inside out because there's more on the line as the expression goes you have a number on your back you know it means more than extrinsic motivation you your shoulder to shoulder or you know there's bans or there's a real finish line that's good for five to twenty five to ten extra watts as they say and that's the way it goes so when you're choosing the roads for your field test on the bottom of a climb is great your live in a flat area. That's okay just treat it like a time trial and go as as hard as you. Can you know there are different places? In the country where we have like famous climbs Figueroa Mount Tam Flagstaff Outweighs Roca core by it. Then but they all are doing more or less the same thing and they're all repeatable and everyone knows their times especially with Strada these days and that really know speaking travel travel really boils down to performance and if you are using a twenty minute field tests to measure performance strawberry takes it to the next level because it factors in your power to wait you know you can get you know Hello Fast. But if you're a carrying some extra lb's that's going to impact your performance on the other hand. Your power may not go up that much but if you lose a bunch of weight in a healthy sustainable winning in the kitchen way your performance is going. GonNa go up. That's a whole different digression but the the biggest thing is choose when you do your field test. Choose the same conditions every single time. Same the same part of the road. And then also make sure when you do your test that you're trained plan has set you up the same. This goes back to the apples apples. You can't like just you know. Wake up one day and pop off field tests. Because you've done. The previous seven days affects your power and so the way that we prescribe field test. This is what I call a lining the planets and so the first two I have. Athletes performed field tests at the end of arrest week. So we prescribe Every three weeks it's part of a good periods ation so three weeks on one week off and at the end of that week off. Dale do a field test and so that's apples to apples. In terms of training. Load in terms of acute fatigue freshness just motivation Bowman. So the way that looks in on a training plan design on a day to day level. Is Monday Tuesday off Wednesday? They'll do a workout Thursday off Friday. They'll do openers. And then they'll test on Saturday when you do that repeated. You know you do that week. In February do it again in? May for example. Then maybe you race at Tom. Trial or a hill. Climb without as hard as you can't distance for twenty minutes in June maybe do that a similar race like that in August Bam. That's a great set of data. That's four data points all apples to apples getting back to the training week. What that really looks like is this and this goes into the execution of the field tests so Monday Tuesday off Wednesday. I have all athletes go. Do a two by ten as hard as you can go workout only five minutes in between so ten minutes on five minutes off ten minutes on for that workout. The only instructions are to go as hard as you can. And of course it's its own for but by now the athletes is FTP. Hypothetically has increase so if you were doing your workout like on the Erg mode which we discourage in this case or just going by numbers and not by feel which we also discourage technically threshold is ninety. Eight to one hundred four percent but what we find in then by the way. I only prescribed field tests for athletes when I know when my gut when the previous data with how they're training has been going when it's GonNa only have athletes test up so I know they're going to knock it out of the park on setting themselves up and then they got to actually do it. Just you know. Bring some objective data into the puzzle. Because I can tell athlete. You're in past or you're getting faster and be like yeah. I'm feeling great and feeling great and then it's like all right. Well let's see exactly how much faster you are. That's why the field test but getting back to this to tin. That is just as hard as you can go. And so a lot of athletes popoff a ten minute effort. Like hundred six hundred and eight percent. Some threshold was way low and they haven't tested in a while or had really productive six weeks. For example they may be up at like one hundred and ten but guess what technically physiologically impossible. You can't do a ten minute effort at one hundred ten percent of your FTP and then repeat that five minutes later after some recovery. So what that means is a their their. Ftp is set to low. And then be. We're going to use that data to properly pace the field test on Saturday in what I mean by. That is ten on five ten on. I just take the average power from the beginning of the first ten minutes to the end of the second ten minute interval and then Voila. That's how you pace yourself. That is the conservative estimate of what you should do. Your twenty minute field test at because over the past fifteen years the single greatest mistake I see. Athletes Make from performing their twenty minute test. Sam Similarly with Tom Tross just go out. Too hard to an athlete will be super motivated. Drink tons of coffee. They'll be like rage in the machine and go off and just start their test. Three hundred fifty watts feeling great and then four minutes later and then like eight minutes later. They're like at three hundred watts and then fourteen minutes in they're like I wanNA quit cycling. This sucks and that's just the way that works just went too hard the first first two minutes and when we do that too bad ten workout. I analyze that data and give them their wattage to pace the first two minutes and that guarantees. They don't go out too hard after that first two minutes. Then honestly you know. Stop looking at the power meter co as hard as you can do that by feel by. Then there's there's no such thing as is properly pacing it for two minutes and then going as hard as you can and going to hard. I've never seen that. It takes about two minutes. I have noticed for the effort to rise into your body for the athlete to feel what that to hardiest. Three hundred and fifty watts for the first two minutes. When you're well rested and fully motivated does not seem that hard while you're while you're making it but then two minutes later that feazel logical effort catches up. Then you begin to feel and that's when that ono feeling Creeps IN EIGHTEEN MINUTES LEFT. And that's when people think about selling their bikes and quitting the sport. But it doesn't have to be that way so that's why we do the too bad ten. Everyone comes back. They pace it properly. It's very very productive. And that's how we do it after the test. Here's what you WANNA do. Honestly if you just give it for twenty minutes take your average power. It should be the various very similar to the normalize power. And then this is going to get a this might blow your mind but I just us seven and a half percent less and I know some coaches want you to do five minutes. Beforehand is hard as you can to you know tax your anaerobic systems. You're deriving power only from your aerobic system things like that. But then you don't get that repeatability out in your race. Datum that just removes that attempt it comparing that and so you know Most prox- approximate of the twenty minute field tasks will be recognized by coaches and sports scientists and support. And then later that what you can do for sixty minutes is five to ten percent less. So maybe if you're fast twitch you you you know in your deriving a lot of power from your anaerobic system you know maybe you can do ten percent more for twenty minutes than y you could for sixty minutes and I see that with a lot of professional athletes including Phil Phil Got World Class. Twenty minute power. And that's because he's he's good at he's got a good aerobic system you know. He grew up doing well on track and criteriums he can hang he can throw down and then he can derive power watts from his ANAEROBIC system to contribute for twenty minute. That's what makes him world-class in twenty minutes. You extend him out forty more minutes and then he's not quite as world class you know. Now he's he's not you know not near as good and he knows this and you know all the directors over in Europe. No this and that's what we were working on extending that you know that that forty minutes and then but I bring that up to just say you know I asked this with amateur athletes to that really gifted in aerobically. Maybe they're already good cyclocross or criteriums or sprinting. You know they're very explosive. You know they can do a lot of more for twenty minutes and what they could for six minutes. And so I use that what I have Deemed as their strengths and weaknesses. And I've seen it from their previous data and just knowing them and just use that to make a judgment call and for them. I'm saying I'll probably take ten percent less than their their twenty minute power to determine their FTP on the other hand. If this athlete is extremely slow twitch This is where you get into the very good long range endurance athletes. They may not do many anaerobic efforts there. Sport may not require a lot of the ultra endurance or the multi sport athletes. You know they can do more or less just five percent more than their twenty minute effort for for sixty minutes in that five percent came from honestly most of the athletes that we work with at do road racing gravel racing because they do develop an anaerobic system. I just split the difference. Seven and a half percent last so you know a quick calculation if you're If you do a three hundred watts just multiply that by point nine to five. Bam to seventy seven point five round up to to seventy eight and honestly move on. That's what you will set your sweet spot off of two seventy eight eighty four to ninety seven percent of that go do a bunch of training comeback. Repeat that test under the exact same conditions. Hard as you can twenty minutes and then maybe do three ten three twenty. That's that's what I like about the simplicity of Twenty minute tests and let me speak a moment about the repeatability because this is really important. I do have this crop up from time to time. Ever since power meter pricing has come down more and more athletes have more than one power meter. Remember getting back to my molecular biology tissue culture. I mean we would spend months calibrating in instrument run tests after tests to validate in determine if that instrument was measuring what we thought it was measuring. You'd run controls in your DNA. Jails and there would be technicians that whose sole job was to come and service these instruments to verify you know just to make sure that they were measuring accurately and so power meters. You know. They're they should be precision instruments. Unfortunately you don't have the option to run a control when you do an experiment with with a power meter. You know you are the control. The what you had to control is just everything else. All the variables that go into setting you up for the tests like I've just mentioned you know the training load same same position on the road. That is everything out and then motivation giving it one hundred percent all that you have to control that. Because you don't get to do that with in like a scientific setting with with a the control lanes in molecular biology or like I used to do a bunch of liquor. chromatography Just run a control through there with a known amount and then you just if the instrument came back and gave you the results back from that known amount. It's like okay. It's measuring accurate. You don't get to do that with a field test but there are some several things you can do in the biggest one that I use the same power meter. If you WANNA give me more gray hair do the test one time on your smart trainer in the Dude Another time on your real bike power meter and then not tell me because I'll be like what in the heck I power is sensitive. It is extremely sensitive it. May you know you can see fatigue. You can see a lot of progress is what I see. Mostly is if you have one brand of power meter in the test in bring a different power meters test results into your data set. That's going to introduce variability. That has nothing to do with your fitness. And it's going to make your data set complicated. It's going to be difficult to answer the questions. Are you getting faster? So forth so forth so data integrity super duper important generally the same power meter for the two tests or three tests. And then also your race data makes for very clean data set and it prevents me from having grey hair so calibrate your power meter do zero offset back on. 'em was that thing you get off your bike. Put the right crank arm at six o'clock and do the do zero offset anyway. Generally just no different power meters produce different results One thing I haven't mentioned is if you don't have power meter and wink at this question quite what can you do? Field testing and the answer is yes in. This is even simpler than using your field tests simply start at the same spot on the road. Go fast in his heart. You can for twenty minutes and measure how far you travel. Maybe it's a mailbox. Maybe it's a telephone pole. Maybe it's just a specific spot in the road. Just take a mental picture of that. Go do six ten twelve weeks. Training Comeback started the same position of the road. Maybe it's a hill. Climb in the do the same test again. A measure how much further you traveled on that road in the same twenty minutes. That is your improvement that answers. The question is my training working. Have I gotten faster? Yes or no simple as that. That's what a lot of the hill climbs are good for the hill. Climbs are just slightly different in that you not racing to a time duration. You're racing from bottom to top mark and that's why I do like Strada. Travel will introduce into the additional variable of your body weight and then that introduces the additional variable of wind Tire pressure body position on the bike. Different Bike bikeway. You know maybe your race wheels know training wheels all sorts of that. There are those limits of Shraga Hill tests. But generally I do like those are. Those are very very good. And that's why I like a lot. But you know the other thing that will happen on those days is it's windy or if you have a tailwind tailwind doping headwind that will affect your results unless you have a power meter in a pyramid or will just sift through all that noise and just boil it all down to you. Did two hundred ninety watts for example and that's repeatable independent of the wind the temperature so-forth actually temperature is Kay does affect your power up so try not to test like in the winter it like an ideal sixty five degrees and then expect to get the same results when it's like ninety eight outside that's gonna sap your watts that would be an example of not controlling all the variables Make sure your training plan has set you up the same. I just went through the an ideal training week. If you're coming off of like a six week training plan you know I think we have. Athletes tested the beginning of the plan. And at the end that is not necessarily at the end of Of Arrests Week but it is on Tuesday or Wednesday after a couple of days arrests as the next best thing nutritionally. Make sure when you test you come into the the field test. Fueled the same well rested. Good night's sleep if you got three hours of sleep the night before your field test and then the previous time you have been sleeping well seven eight hundred hours asleep you know that's reason that's an additional variable however this is back to my graduate student. Graduate School professor. Listen to what the data tells you on that particular day. That's what your your test results were in. Yes three hours. Asleep will mess you up. But I've also seen plenty of athletes able to deliver a fine performance on their twenty minute tests in races on limited sleep. You need to be flexible. You need to be able to deal with adversity. And that's it. That's why I do like my graduates. Who is professor advice but if you can control it get good night's sleep And I've already you know in terms of warm up. Treat the warm up for a field test just like a time-trial or the start of a cyclocross race or the start of a hard hill climber effort you know thirty minutes and then we give athletes a progressive warm up with a couple of FTP efforts like two. By thirty seconds. On a about ten to fifteen minutes before the effort begins and then being able to compare the tests and controlling all other variables except your physiology or your fitness allows you to interpret the efficacy of your training. The rest of the details may seem picky but there are necessary to draw. Accurate comparisons that is the essence of a twenty. Minute test boils down to everything I mentioned power meter. If you get a new power meter or something like that you know you may need to inch you know just recalibrate. What your your power threshold is to that new power meter. Maybe it's reading differently but when you do go back and test again test on that same power meter unfortunately if you go out too hard you can't really repeat your test at least in my mind. A lot of athletes maybe too hard or something happens. The WanNa go test the next day. And that's okay. But generally this is why I come up with that phrase aligning the planet's because then it truly is when he done the same thing for the six previous days and you test that aligns those planets. So it's very hard to orchestrate the next day or the next week is what happens when we try to do field tests in the winter up canyons when it snows it's like crap there's snow and ice on the road. What do we do then? It's like Oh man. Well let's you know it's GonNa be tough to realign the planets to get an apples apples test. But that's what that's why you know. You have a coach to come up with A Plan B. So How often should you test? I have athletes do field tests twice a year and the reason. Why is because we're going to rely on their race? Data to provide the third fourth maybe the fifth sixth seventh. Data's data point on the reason. Why is field testing as mentally taxing? I only want them to go to the well go to the mat as they say in wrestling twice in training that is. I want to save up their mental energy To have that when it matters the most on race day and so when athletes come out of the weight room in the off season they're gonNA do a field test that's going to be to set their power base zones horizons to That's going to be the limbo high test. Then they're gonNA go do their base training eighteen twenty weeks of basic training and then they're going to test again and that's when we're going to measure their improvement that's going to answer the question. Did they get faster from their base training? Then so that's two tests. Then they're gonNA go do a interval training in they're gonNA start racing and then we're going to start really getting some great data and that is where we're going to look for those twenty minute as hard as they could from the races to compare back to those two previous field tests and I'm never gonNA ask an athlete to do a field test and go to the Mat. Once the season begins. That's not the like what you gleaned from that more than offsets the energy that it takes to do that test which is probably not really relevant to their training at that point in the season anyway. So we that's why we do rely on race data and a lot of athletes. You would be like the back in the power tap days it like you had this power tap like Frankenstein wheel for training that no one wanted to raise on because it was heavy and slow and that was the conundrum. How do we get Ray State? And then then they get the they go to a crank based power meter now said we got ray stated life is good but then now there are time trials. Do you put your power meter on your road bike or your time trial bikes and then if it's on your time trial bike only then you need to do your field test on your time. Trial Bikes so forth. So this is the things you want to look at but regular testing is the best way to track performance and along the way I mean. I think if you're just following your plan if you're going to the process I really discouraged athletes from measuring their performance each and every power workout from their video. Twos to how much T. S. They did in in four hours. I mean I don't think that's sustainable. It's not good for you. Mentally just mega turn green. Follow the training plan. Hang on tight. Just know that you're going to process you. Trust the plan and then measure the real improvement with these formal test formal tests. Not You know. Hey I was feeling good after ten minutes so it opened it up. That's that's different. That's not apples to apples along the way you know there's mean Maximal Power Im- FTP power charts. You know things like that. That's the fun part of the data in. That's what I love and you can infer things that you can use that data to say. Hey it's time to do a formal field test because we have this evidence of that supports it. Your power at threshold has increased. So let's do that. But I would caution you against about comparing you know that. Non Apple to apple data from from training and racing. When you haven't align the planets having controlled for every single variable because I'll have a lotta athletes they'll just get the you know we'll train hard and harden hiring. Oh you'll develop more and more fatigue and it can be kind of a Jeddah online check because you're like. Wow I'm slow. I'm getting dropped on this group on my legs. Don't feel that good but when in fact we just been building like crazy. You're ramp rates are high your is in the pits and then that you do a couple of weeks of that and get your teeth. Kicked in on the group rides on that can be discouraging and so I do consult with athletes a lot on that. But that's why you align the plants with arrest week and then you remove that acute training load your TSP comes up positive in the Bam. Knock out that power and athletes are like. Wow that's awesome. That's an important exercise to go through because it does help. Athletes understand that relationship to fatigue and your power output which is very very important in training and also in racing to come into the racist fresh so in summary goes hard as you can for Twenty minutes upload and analyze your average power output. Take between five and ten percent lasts. If you're just getting started with us just start with seven and a half percent. 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Ep. 173: State of NASCAR 2019 with Jeff Burton, Part II

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Ep. 173: State of NASCAR 2019 with Jeff Burton, Part II

"And. Welcome to NASCAR NBC podcast. I'm your host Nate Ryan. This is part two of our conversation with Jeff Burton on the state of NASCAR in two thousand nineteen hopefully already heard part one. If you didn't go back and listen right now, lots of good feedback for the mayor's thoughts on many things and that continues here in part two. We talk NASCAR economics salary caps and the conundrum of using rules to save money. We also talk about the two thousand nineteen rules package with lower horsepower. And why Jeff thanks it could work and also how he'll know if it doesn't work and we also talk about short tracks and the twenty twenty schedule ambient, two important caveats. Here we tape this a few weeks ago. And that was before this week's big announcement that NASCAR will conduct post race inspection at track and strip winds from drivers this year. I know Jeff has. Many thoughts on that. And maybe I'll see if he graciously will return to discuss that when the inevitable disqualification controversy happens later this year. And also this is recorded before the recent test of the new rules at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, though. I think that's less noticeable because Jeffs analysis is pressure as always, and he actually intimidated some of what drivers and teams would say at that test. So let's get right to it. We'll kick it off. With Jeff's thoughts on the financial state of NASCAR in twenty nineteen there. We talked a little bit about NASCAR being entrance tuition. And obviously a big theme from twenty eighteen and going into twenty nineteen is how it's finding its footing financially both from team business model perspective and the perspective of this new structure of sponsorship that nascar's talking about title sponsor, essentially changing into a multi tiered thing that involved tracks and teams UC Jeff with Harrison getting him funding for a full. Season in a NASCAR national series. You talked earlier about it's still ineffective platform where is the business model where is sponsorship for NASCAR. Do you think heading off Ascom, then we spend too much conversation? Too much time in conversation. Talking about cost coming down publicly right because nobody cares else. Flatley what teams are spending. They just want to see good competition or so, so here's the thing. All the other major sports have salary caps. So we really careful because a long long time ago. I remember probably fill out some articles where I talked about there being a day where they would have to be some type of spending caps. If you found a Mike mo- her story from probably like the mid to late nineties, you could probably find this quote. I was for a few months there. Like, it was scary walk in the garage because I thought might be harmed by crew members by drivers by. But if you didn't have the. Just a vision to look and say, okay, if we are major sport and all the other ones have salary cats to help the owners rain themselves in and to create an opportunity for better competition. We're the only one what does that mean in when you're sitting there looking at cost going up and up and up and up. It didn't take a genius to realise that something would have to give at some point. Now. I quit talking about it because I feared for my wellbeing. But. But but you realize almost two decades ago. This was going to be something come to a head because it's common sense. You have a spending war in every other sport the salary cap is part of the equation fans. Don't think about it and say all these owners, they they're cheap. And and they don't wanna spend money. They just think and they say, okay. Well, let's see we got twenty two million under the cap and Sean Jefferies. He's available and he'd be six billion. He he would get a six million. We could cut this guy. Like, it's part of the puzzle. Putting a team together knowing gets upset if you're Hornets fan. Do they trade Kemba Walker re-sign him because right to me conversations? And you don't wanna see Kemba Walker leave right? Like, he's he's our only guy that's even close to being an all-star. Right. Like, you don't wanna see him leave. But if he leaves then it's part of a grander plan to say, okay, we've gotta fix this. So we can ultimately quit being a five hundred team or you know, or. A five hundred team like there's got to be part of the equation. But we talk about in NASCAR. It's like because it's the it's beginning of it. It's the beginning of trying to get spending under control it turns into a negative conversation. The conversation these haven't behind closed doors fans don't wanna hear about cutting costs. And then there what you don't what you'd never hear. Is it cost me a hundred bucks ago panther game? And there's a salary cap. That's not right. But if you talk about cutting costs and ask are one of the first conversation. Well, they cut costs lower my ticket prices. And I get it like, I get it. I, you know, I pay to go I've paid to go to racist pay to go to football and basketball games. So I understand the conversation. But there has to be some sort of cost containment. There has to be you cannot continue down this path of the spinning war. That's what we're in the midst of is a spending war now. I am in by the way when I first talked about the salary cap. Just to go back twenty something years. I was talking reference to drivers that point never got out. Right. The point what got misconstrued and all that was all all tree members sought. I was talking about them. I was talking about me. Because when I looked at me, I'm I knew it I was making. And I knew it percentage of my contract was for the team. And I'm like the easiest place for that guy to save money is right here right here. So I was talking about salary caps for crew members. I think that there is a real possibility to find a way to lower cost still create opportunities for really good employment in the sport. I'm not talking about into days world with his complicated. It's become I don't know that salary cats or the way forward because I think legally it would be very difficult to do. But there has to be there has to be. And by the way, if you started talking about. Salary caps in NASCAR you're gonna have to restructure how everything is done. I mean everything have to get restructured. But there has to be a spending some type, I'm not saying cat. But you've gotta rain the spending in you have to find a way to do it through has to be a number and a few like I've asked this question fairly often over less ten or fifteen years. I never really get a good answer. Like, what should be the limit ten million fifteen million twenty million? What's complicated about it? Right. So in that so in let's just compare NASCAR to basketball, and I hate doing that because they are different sports. But there's something each learn from the other. So in basketball, there's a salary cap, right? But there's no coach cat. I don't think there's a there's not a cap and how a team can use technology to help them help their basketball players build a better team. There's not a cat, and you know, all kinds of things like algorithms, and right, you there's no. Team's doing spending all this money on extra staff. So the caps are put on the driver's not on technology. So at our sport, we have both the influx technology into our sport. Because of the piece of equipment that the guy is reiver's drive. Every component has to have an engineering study done on it. And there's a better way to do every single part on the race card is a better way to do everything. Everything. How do you cat that? Right. So it's so much more complicated than just saying. Well, it's a salary cap. And I was not twenty some years ago. You know, smart enough to see that part of it. I just looked in several drivers are making up a fair amount of percentage of the money money money that owners are spending that would be an easy place to help the owners, and that's somewhat. I mean, there's been a reset the last five. So where naturally one point drivers are probably making the top ones. A lot of them were making like forty percent of what a team's budget was. And now you look at we're not privy to it. But we know that that's come down. I you know, I can't I'm not going to vote numbers. But I can tell you. There was a time. I may I made the money. I was making driving part time. Spineta car was crazy because the money was there. It was there to pay me. And I was driver that that my car wanna drive it, and I was winning races and doing the things sponsor wanted and made a lot of money doing it. I also honestly say that I didn't do it because I was making the money. I know people don't believe that it's hard to make a fan believe that. Although just doing it for the money. Well, I promise you that. I can speak for myself like I didn't want, you know, drama racecar. One exactly it saves thing in the world. And ill the passion for doing. It is Weill was doing it. And then, you know, at the end of the year, my wife say you made this much money doing that. I'd be like damn that's crazy. You know? I wasn't doing it. Because the money I was doing it. Because I love to race fans. I get it. I understand it's hard for them to understand that. But you know, if you have a passion for something, you know, the fact that matter is out of done it for nothing. I just didn't have to. I was fortunate enough to people want me to do it. But if if the situation was we want you to die that car, but we can't pay you out of done it. I can promise you of done it. So the driver reset has happened somewhat naturally. But how do you rein in technology and defeat? Like, it's tough question. Ask it's completely speculative. But I know that's being worked on. According to reports we've seen here in team owners talk about NASCAR. Are they getting new place where it could happen? So the fact that they're all talking about it. And the fact that they're all willing to have an open conversation, which isn't new they've been working for a while. While trying to figure way to get cost down. But the fact they brought in outside sources and the pract included NASCAR. And all that tells me. Yes, there are some way. There are some real ways that the teams could slash the money out of their budgets in the fans would never know it and the owners have to be willing to do that. It's really hard being a car owner because there's never a day that your phone won't ring with someone asking for something. And that person is asking for is asking for because they believe is go help them win races. It's not checking now his job to not push his car owner to get him more. 'cause check announce knows if I could get more time in the wind tunnel. If I could have another engineer whatever chat things is important for his race team. It's his job. It's his duty to go and try to make it happen. So car owners always. Have this pressure from every angle engines tires springs, shocks era. Namic it goes forever. Driver development goes forever. They're always being pulled. I need more need more need more any more. And it's hard to say, no when you have the people that you've trusted to take your race team to victory lane. And they're telling you have to have this you hire them because you believed him, and it's so hard to have the discipline to say can't do it, man. And by the way, I think the teams that have done that or probably the team's not as being successful today as a mother's. And that's gotta get fixed financial responsibility. I'm not talking about cheapness. I've talking about financial responsibility pay people fairly for their job. They're doing inside an opportunity for growth within a company. Creating a great work environment, creating a place where thought is rewarded where the advancement, and what you're doing is rewarded all those kind of things on talking about getting rid of those things. I'm talking talking about the owners have an opportunity to prioritize if no one is getting an advantage in a particular area. Then there's nothing to lose by not doing it in that particular area in coming up with those things is paramount. Now every rule change that they make to say money always cost teams money. I shouldn't say every but a lot of them a lot of rule changes that are made end up costing two teams money in an effort to save them. There's gotta be a way I mean, I deal with it as a car owner and in late model if they decide that we can run these race cars with cheaper shocks sound great less. You own them. So you're going to say the money because I gotta go by more. Yeah. Now, how did you say money? Now, you save the guy money didn't own any shocks. And you might say me money over three or four year period where if I have to repair or rebuild or whatever that's yet to be determined. But here's a shock because two thousand dollars versus one to one hundred and eighty no rain right by one hundred eighty. Lori habby ones. So that's not saving me money. And that's where when you talk about saving teams money. You know, you gotta be really careful because you can call them a fortune by saving them dollar so much of it is predicated on amateur ising money over certain period of time. I mean that works great. If you're talking about owning a house or something like that doesn't work as well. With the spending arms race in racing competition keeping up detail. You mentioned Chad canals, and certainly he and everybody else right now is thinking about two thousand nineteen talk about rules changes. There are some different rules for twenty nineteen which have been the talk quite a bit throughout last year and heading into this year, lower horsepower. And the hope I think from NASCAR is that. There will be closer racing. You have some thoughts on this. I know that there's been a lot of debate on good thing bad thing. And I think you're council is maybe let's wait and give it a couple of months when I taught some of the best minds in the sport. Okay. And. And I get completely different opinions from one to the other. That tells me no one really knows. I really believe that NASCAR in my opinion had to do something. We cannot continue the narrative that mile and a half raisins boring. There has to be something done. Not know that some of you that are listening today are saying we'll then don't go to mount a half's that sounds simple. But it's not as simple as that. Because when you have corporations that have invested hundreds of millions of dollars to be part of the sport at a time when they were told this is what we won't. Okay. Don't forget that part of the history. When all these Mouna half's were being built. It's what at that time. People thought the fans wanted it's they were sold out. Right, right. You know what I'm saying? So they were Bill they built those racetracks under the belief at this is what the sport needs. This is the best inches of the. Sport. Now that long-term was probably wrong that long term was wrong. It would have been okay to Bill one two mile and a half. But there should have been three quarter mile Bill that's an expensive fix. That's not a wave. The magic wand that problem goes away. So that was a mistake. I think most everyone would be willing to admit that today. I mean, there should have been when there was a mile and a half track in Chicago should have been three quarter mile track in Kansas. And you're right. Like, it's not something they can wave their magic wand, the parallel here every always goes back to is football and baseball multipurpose stadiums and late sixties seventies took thirty years right for all those to be torn down and rebuilt. So here we are. So here we are. So what's NASCAR to do? So here you have. And this is my view of it. Okay. And I'm not here. You know me. I don't that. Just I don't think most people realize is NASCAR doesn't pay me. I never thought that. I would I never would have believed. I understand our for NBC NBC pays NASCAR to cover the races. And NBC phase me not NASCAR NASCAR until me. What to say whatnot say, you know, what I've learned is when you become a commentator people. Thank you worked for the the NFL, whatever. No, I work for NBC. And it's my job to give my opinion as an analyst guy that's been in this sport for a long time. That's what I get paid to do. I don't get paid by NASCAR to tell their story. So in my opinion NASCAR has no choice, but to do something because you're not gonna just say, well, we're not going to Chicago anymore. You know, that would be no more fair to them to do that. And it was we're not going to know Wilkes for all the people that get mad because we don't go to north Wilkes. Murrow. I get it. I get it was probably a mistake. But that mistake happened. Are you going to repeat it? So you have to fix the mile and a half program you have to fix it. So what's? Wrong with it. The only thing is wrong with the mount a half his damn sure not facility a great. Great grand stand's. Great concession stands. Great parking more. People can go all that's good. There's nothing. There's nothing bad about that. They've invested in lights even vested. I mean, the facilities are also it's the modern they're nice. They're the series a good. It's the racing. So if you can fix the racing does that fix the problem? Yes. It fixes the problem. Now, how do you do that? You know what I mean? That's that's where it gets really really difficult. So we have a series that most people seem to like, you know, most people like to truck series. No one ever complains that much slower all in a Cup car. I don't hear that complaint. I don't hear people say truck series. No good because they don't go fast. I've never heard anybody that. I don't think people realize how much slower truck isn't a Cup car. I don't think they realize that. Well, let me tell you something. It's a lot. Back when we used to go to Kentucky to test. I was there. Michael Walter Brayson. I was tested for them during the winter. And there was Trump those like fifteen cars testing those two days I came off turn to off pit road. And there was a truck going into turn one and one and a half laps. I called him a Cup car is way faster than a truck and no one ever complains. So the speed of the race car to a degree isn't the issue here. The issue is a quality racing. If you can give collar arson Marsha ex all the heroes of our sport package similar to the truck program that most people like the racing in the truck for if you can give them something that kind of mimics that what's the result? So if you think about it like that what's wrong what's going on. When you say they put restrictive plates on them. And they're slowing them down there taken out of the driver's saying that sounds really bad that sounds horrible. But if you say they're trying to learn. Learn what they've learned in the truck series and applied the Cup series doesn't that make sense. Now, some people will not like it 'cause it's different mat weavers reporter he and I see completely different on that. He's like, well there's already a truck series. It shouldn't be too. Okay. Let's finish go away. What matters is the quality of racing. And it has to be hard to do. It has to be difficult. It cannot become easy. And that's where the driver grumbling Kyle Busch Larssen they're a little bit worried about if it is it's gotta get fixed. If it takes a way if a driver's ability is negated, then it can't it's not gonna work. It's got to be taken away. Now, I can tell you before we ever before the green flag ever drops in Atlanta. There's gonna be people to like it and people that don't. Kabushiki? I had a great race at Bristol. You know side-by-side battle coming into checkered flag. He wanted to race. I e OT race. And he gets out says this car sucks, right? You know, one of one of Indian of the race and was really really good. Yeah. Perhaps. Yeah. Got it really. Really good. So so, you know, I just believe that there had to be something done. And I am with every driver that says if it's not difficult to do. It's not right. I'm with everyone that says that I also watched Chuck races. And I don't believe that they're easy drive. And nor do I think they should be. I you could go to you could go all the top NASCAR officials and tell you how many times often that trailer and said you need to cut the floor offi strokes. You need to make them harder to drive you need to make them more. They've got to be hard to drive, but at the same time, it's got to be fun to watch. And so what I think's going to happen. I think we're gonna have incredible restarts. I think restarts are going to be really really wild. Because the cars are going to be closer together. Cars are going to be closer to speed. And because being in front is going to be really important because when a tire start to wear out in handling starts to matter, which it will track positions. Go mean. Perhaps more than it did last year. So I think you're going to have this incredible race to get that track position and is credible effort to keep it. And then you'll have twelve cars battling. Then you're gonna have eight then you're gonna have four, and then you're going to have to and then you're going to have one as tire start to wear out and handling starts to matter. So I think it's and by the way, that's what happens if the truck rice, I believe that we're going to see more of what we see a truck race. We're not gonna have Daytona and Talladega at Atlanta, and and Charlotte they are going to go faster than they went in all star race. And by the way, the races are going to be long or we're gonna last longer than all star raise the stages are going to be long and then they weren't as into in the all star race. It's going to get more spread out than it did in the all star race. So as long as handling matters. I'm good with it. If we get to the point where handling doesn't matter. I'm not good with it because handling matters. That means a driver matters. If handling doesn't matter the driver means less and less and less, so. It's all to finding that equation is what's really important. Now. The good thing is NASCAR is never come out. And said we won't Daytona Talladega Charlotte. They've never said that what they've said is they won't close a racing. They don't won't they won't pack race. They don't they've never. They've never stated they wanna Pat Rice. And they've always stated the exact opposite. So I'm in line with what they're saying to me when the door shuts, you know, what I mean where look we want it to matter to drivers we wanted to be. We don't want it to be easy. We wanted to be difficult. We want the best car to have the best chance to win, you know, as long as all that doesn't mess with the integrity of winning races about you. Gotta try something. You gotta have you gotta have races. That people wanna come watch. We all talk about we need more short tracks. And I think we do need more show tracks. But if we need more short tracks, then the problem isn't the personality. The drivers the problem, isn't that the cars don't look like they did in nineteen eighty the problem. Is the quality of the race. So if we if we can give more fans that go to the racist more opportunity to watch good reason. I think that's the smart thing to do and it's a small sample size. But the first test that they had with this package with a few cars on track. I think they had true X llegado swore as at Fontana. I was struck. First of all they're about five seconds off of the poll pace last year. So significant drop off in speed is you're talking about that that Cup truck disparity. I couldn't tell the difference in grant. It was only a couple of cars, but I'm watching on video. I couldn't tell the difference. And watching them make lap after lab. Maybe it was five or ten laps at the time. I was struck by they stayed close together maybe more so than I was expecting. We just looked up the disparity in pole speeds for the March NASCAR weekend last year Las Vegas Motor Speedway. The truck poll was about hard seventy six miles an hour. The coupole is about one hundred ninety one miles an hour. So about fifteen miles an hour. Prince that's a lot. That's what we're getting ready to broadcast the Rolex twenty four if we're going to do that with the NASCAR type environment. I mean, no question Cup would finish. A God knows how many laps Druk over the course of a day, so Utah that fifteen miles per hour that seconds of time difference seconds. No one ever complains about trucks being slow and no one ever. Complains truck's too, easy drive. And no one ever complains. That guys win truck raises can't drive and no one ever. I mean, the speed of the vehicle is not always determine determining factor. Whether or not it's good racing. Slowing everything down doesn't necessarily mean. It's better race in either. I'm not saying it does. I'm just saying that when you had fifteen miles an hour difference between a truck wake up and no one complains about it. It doesn't look slow when you watch it on TV. It really doesn't. I I mean the Cup qualifying for all star race at Charlotte. Looked really slow. Yeah. Well, that's that. They're gonna have to address. That's all fun slow, but they've. Added. They've added over one hundred horsepower since then, you know, that did look slow now grant this everything I'm seeing for qualified says multi vehicle qualified. That's what I was going to ask you about. Because that's a big question. Mark not shocked. I'm shocked that it still is being posted unofficially. Multi-car because when you go to Vegas you going around going around with somebody else. I think at Talladega. They they don't do. Correct. Qualifying for that reason and in trucks. Yeah. Thank about when they run that the go the big tracks in trucks, they single car. Qualifying right now today, everything I'm hearing is they're still planning multi-car coffin now. That might need to be just that might have to have some judgment. But we'll see the only thing I would say about this. I like the idea of track physician mattering and to me can't have a perfect race every week. But to me homestead Miami speedway last year that season finale that to me was essential NASCAR race. You had four championship cars and people probably have complaints about like, you only focused on those four cars. Well, they really four cars at matter. They'll get they were another class because it was the championship race. Because the biggest prize was steak. Hey, and they were they put on a show, you know, what all seriousness if use a driver and a team won't more coverage during that race than just be one of those. Right. That's the solution. I'm I'm pretty sure that during the Super Bowl, we're not talking about the Cleveland Browns. I mean, no offense to the other. I think there are thirty nine cars in that race or other thirty five cars that Sunday. It's about a championship as less you go out and beat those four guys and you win that race or you're in in your in that top four or five unless you're in there. You're just not going to get talked about in that race unless something extraordinary happens. And I and I don't feel bad about that. I'm sorry everybody when they dropped the green flag Daytona news at the final four win a championship would be that race. I'm sorry. You earn your airtime? And let's just how that is. Yeah. Airtime if not those non-championship cars, and you beat them, then deservedly, we'll get a lot more attention for that. But what was great to me about? It was four cars all in kind of varying strategies of long run short run, and it made it really captivating. And when you talk track position, Jeff, and I've heard other people mentioned that I'm a little bit worried. I don't want it to be there have been seasons. Nascar where there's no tire fall off. And suddenly there's fuel mileage game. Different every race. There's gonna be some racetracks that have a lot of grip a lot of hot. There's gonna be some high grip racetracks tires don't wear out track physicians going to be king. There's gonna be other racetracks the tars do wear out, and it, and it's going to be tracked position still going to be king because you still want to be the first gal pit road in the first guy off track was issues, always king. But is gonna matter at some racetracks more than it does others. And it always has it. I mean, that's not a new that's not new but tires need to wear out. Right now, we need fall off. I think that makes I think that does make better racin, and we'll see we'll see this package may allow Goodyear a little more flexibility in what they can do with their tires. I don't know. I I'm speaking out of context. But as a possibility how long should we give it how many months, do you think before the evaluation can happen? Oh, listen to daytonas off lashes rules, so nothing there the Vegas package is different than the than the Atlanta package. And then the Phoenix packages. You know what I mean? So we're going to get four different looks and four races. I think that will learn we'll know a whole lot more. But it will evolve. These teams and drivers are it's crazy how quickly they evolve and how their evolution affects what happens on the racetrack. It's it's gonna take a while. I I think we can take some snapshot views for sure and some immediate this has to be worked on. And this is great. We take some immediate snapshots. And and but but to come off with an overall. Yes, this is great or yes. This is terrible. I think that would be wrong to do because it's the beginning of the process. I guess the beginning of the process was was the all star race. But we've had a major change since then with the amount of horsepower being given to them and the teams have had it for. Yeah. For quite while. So we need to give it some time. Nascar state of two thousand nineteen is what we've been talking about here. But I want to wrap up here and look a little bit ahead last year. When a you on the podcast, we talked about health short-track state of short tracks part of that discussion was maybe all star race at Nashville and south Boston. I wanna give. I thought we couldn't do that. Suddenly I thought that that was like crazy again you were head of your time. Although it's maybe not necessarily south Boston. Maybe another the Nashville. When you and I wrote that we clearly stated that we're using south Boston, is example, but this could happen anywhere across the country and people in the industry or like crazy. You know, we're above that recap. We can't go really. I mean, we really that. I mean, seriously your point was everybody wants to say you can't go back to the past. And you said no we're going to the future by revisiting the past. It's not going back to the past. Yeah. This is the way forward and this and this conversation. I mean, we you and I've been talking about this for many years. I mean when I was driving you, and I were talking about this. And you know, this this is one of those inevitable in my world. Nothing's easy because I know it's complicated. But something that everyone in the sport would like fans, which matter the most would like is runner short-track. Like that to me is it's out that's fruit man, make it happen. And so now, you know, Marcus is out there talking about it. It's public knowledge is effort. And put into Nashville and hail. Yeah. Like, let's do it. This is twenty twenty discussion. Of course, is how things are going to look we're not gonna break any news here. But I do wanna get just your impressions, there's gonna be a lot of talk about it all throughout this year about where things are going for twenty twenty because we know it's gonna look different. And of course, again, this all star race discussion with Nashville being in the in the pitcher here, where do you think NASCAR goes in twenty twenty? And do you think we'll see all star race in a Nashville? I'm going to be really surprised if we don't see. A race on a short track. I think Marcus Smith and his group are committed to making it happen. They NASCAR season wisdom in it. I think that is a general push to to get some more short track racing. So I'm going to be really surprised if something doesn't happen. I I don't know. I don't know in twenty twenty. I'm not, you know, who knows what's going on behind the scenes and the complications and making all that happen. Can't add a race. This is I shouldn't say we can't add race because we do anything. But I believe that the sport, you know, probably more than ever is really listening to what the fans or saying they won't and is really aware of changing needing to be made to enhance competition to make things better for the fans in regard to what they're watching on the racetrack. And I think the I think the schedule will look according to that. I think that we're going to see a mix up in the schedule derive. Front with the ideal of let's make it better. Like, how do we make this better? What what races need to be win. What races should be cut races? What races all that stuff? Right. And I think that I think it is going to look different. I think I mean, the industry leaders. I mean, you, you know, people within NASCAR publicly said everything's on the table. Well, if everything's on the table, and it's not going to say the same. We might see a tiered approach. You know, what I mean, we might see? You know, some changes in twenty and then more changes in twenty one in regard to the schedule that's yet to be played out. But there's a lot of things to consider when looking at a schedule. You know, we talked about cost for the teams. I would make sense to go where win what makes sense with weather would make sense with where they fit in regard to the play offs. What what kind of races? Do you want in these in this round of the playoffs? You know what? I mean, there's a lot to consider the one thing that we all know is finding a way to put short tracks in their gotta do it years ago. Talk about taking a race from martinsville. And you know, I jumped up on my soapbox sort of complaining about that. And everybody thought it was because I was from Virginia. But the truth matter is that's right. That's our connection to the past man like that you know, Darlington martinsville in Daytona. That's our connection to the past. And we can't leave. There would be a huge mistake. I would be really surprised if we don't see an influx of some more short track racing. The fans want. On it. I think NASCAR wanted the we have a track owner openly saying he wants it. So it'd be hard for me to magin. I'm not saying twenty I am. But at some point we're going to see six short track races stands now is probably too few. Well and Julia says are not short-track races. You know, we, you know, he's like hickories short-track man Richmond. Not as track and he's got a point those hickories of real. He's. Has a point when he says that that's a good point. Yeah. So you know, what shore tracks right really matter. And let me get to a point with a Cup car. You're not gonna run Bowman gray with a Cup car. I who knows. But you know, you gotta have a track that's a reasonable size for this type of vehicle making this much power this much weight, you know, attract a great late model race may not be great Cup race. So you got to keep all that in in mind, but a track smaller than you know, smaller than Richmond. Let's say yes, the third half a mile length and gotta have safer barriers. I mean, that's a big part of the discussion with Nashville is just making. Sure, it's yeah. I was gonna need some work. I mean, you know, my son's race in Nashville. And I've been there about every year for the last three years Nashville needs some it needs some updating you know, it needs some fan facilities updated. It needs some updating, but that can happen that all can happen. You know, we talk a lot about we talk a lot about the business about what's going on in the sport. Okay. And the rules package, but if the rules spec edge has the desired effect, we could be in for some of the greatest reysen you've ever seen in NASCAR. And that's something people aren't talking about. When fans talk about the rule changes in the fan say well, nascar's forgot us and NASCAR is doing this because of the money in whatever those generalizations are won't defense understand something I'm going to say, I don't know a number. But by far the majority of changes that have happened in the sport have been done for the interest of the fan now. You that listening today may not agree with what was done. But no one set in a mortem and said, let's piss the fans off. Not intentionally at least. No, I mean, no one some the stakes have been made. But those mistakes were made out of trying to make things better for the fans, not for corporate greed. Not for all the things in NASCAR has been criticized for and I've been critical NASCAR to, but I do think it's important to keep in context that when you when you as a fan heater change the majority of those things man there about the fans they didn't change the playoff format because they thought it would be less fun. Less citing might get it. You might not like it. I understand that. But I don't think that they that you use a fan should realize that those things were done in what was believed to be in your best interest. And I think I think that kids missed on. And I think that's unfortunate. But I do believe man, if this aero package has the desired effect the stated goal of we want it to be difficult for drivers we won't closer racing. We won't more excitement. We won't the best drivers to mean, something if all those goals are attained you could be in for one of the best years ever in NASCAR. Now, I'm not sitting here today saying that's what's going to happen because I've been around long enough to know. I don't one hundred percent know what's going to happen. I have a belief, but I could be wrong. But if things obtained I mean, damn, I mean you. Precisely or sitting on the possibility for having some of the best races you've ever seen. There's a possibility that if all every all the stars align and all in this strategy works at NASCAR is spent millions of dollars investigating and working with the teams to come up with if it works. We could be in for a great year. The mayor has spoken. We appreciate all the insight and time give today. Thanks Jeff for being. Thanks, right. Me Mets fun. So that wraps up our state of NASCAR and twenty nine thousand nine podcast. Jeff burton. Thanks so much for listening. Hope you enjoyed it. And if you did there is much good content to come with speed weeks and the Daytona five hundred just around the corner. Nascar America will return Monday, February eleventh at five pm on NBC S N. We are analysts will have a full recap of the clash and Daytona five hundred qualifying and NASCAR America on Wednesday. February thirteenth at five. PM? We'll have full interviews and coverage from Daytona five hundred me. Today on NBC S N. 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Episode 54 -- Waddell Wilson Part 2

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Episode 54 -- Waddell Wilson Part 2

"Hello my name is rik houston and welcome to the scene bob podcast your source for all things nascar history wind up on a pole boy boy that really did set them on. This is what really hurt we run out of guys coming down the backstretch buddy baker bobby out all guys cookery lamp when you knew exactly what hand sandbox done everything rob the one thing i can fly that day nascar and all associated anyway when nasqad talk forget. It's passed as today. We don't have any hello. I'm steve wade and i'm rick houston. Welcome to fenway park like no no. That's not a welcome to the baseball. No that's not by gettysburg steve. I'll tell you what last week talked about us going on vacation now. I've come back from vacation steve. We drove two thousand miles one thousand nine hundred ninety seven gooby exactly in five days with your wife and two sons scoring with my wife and eighteen year old sons we all survive survive the trip i did not set them out on the side of the road. It was an awesome trip adam. Ah had the best seats i've ever had for a major league ballgame. We were almost rat on the field at fenway size that was pretty cool and then to watch adam go through the tame store man he doc. I wish i'd had a million dollars to just turn him loose in there. I'm fury spin it but i'm telling you that was pretty coal and then after that you know we were on on a more relaxed schedule because we didn't have to get to the ball game. We went to the baseball hall of fame in cooperstown and then after cooperstown. We hit here gettysburg. Oh yes well. I really appreciate the call you gave me from work when you said you're on top up lulu around i did. I called you from favorite spot on the battlefield. There's a rock right next to the statue of in their guvener. Warn born and i was sitting on my favorite rock. They're just kind of taking in that same and it's such a special place. That truly is how a ground recommend the everyone if you've never been pleased go. It's very interesting and i think you'll be moved. What you say yes you will absolutely be moved by what you see and this this week on the episode where you're going to play the second portion of our interview with what al wilson and he talks nineteen eighty daytona five hundred grey ghost rageh buddy baker oh and that was a pretty car then the next year they came back with bobby allison and maybe that ray st turn out quite the way that they would have liked and had quite a bit of controversy with that yeah absolutely they came in with a car. The nascar did not suspect we'll be in the field a pontiac <unk> grand lamar and it was discovered that car and decided hey the shape of this car is aero-dynamics perfect and they went and tested at talladega they found out they had something real good on their hands and then steve he talked about the nineteen eighty-one daytona five hundred being one of the two biggest disappointments much of his career and the second biggest disappointment of his career was kale yarbrough crashing during qualifying for the nineteen eighty three daytona five hundred on two hundred miles an hour and that was really spectacular at the time i think hale was trying to go even faster on his second lap and then he went two hundred miles an hour upside-down trying to best. I beat and got a little bit out of control. He got a whole lot out of control and then what l. kinda concludes and talks about the kind of the dream team with hendrick motorsports wasn't no it was a nightmare and then of course the finish of the nineteen ninety-one race at sears. Here's point that did not go what else way not at all the results of that race on unlike anything i've ever seen that a nascar before or sense can't thank goodness and then in our second segment we're going to talk about the september tenth nineteen ninety-two issue of winston cup saying that kerry very coverage of darrell waltrip very last victory at darlington. Yes it was his last career victory and it's hard art blakey daryl race for eight more years after that season and didn't win another race. Now there was a paragraph in your rice late that i kind of took exception to oh so we'll get to that in that segment okay. You took exception to me. Yes i did buddy. Oh boy oh yeah. You need to stay tuned for that. One and steve on patriarch in we have no support from michael cole sean brennan and josh jargon five dollars a month breath. You will get one kasich issue of winston cup saying ten dollars a month on patriot. You'll get to classic issues and also if you do five dollars is a month or more you will be receiving one of these darlington raceway commemorative issues of grand national saint and you don't want to miss that had you absolutely do not wanna miss that so patriot dot com slash the same vault podcast or if you'd rather just do a one time show of support that would be pay pal dot ni slash the same podcast. Please help us out if you can because your support is what helps us move on down the road <music> whereas it was in nineteen eighty with buddy baker that it at least to me <hes> although why dale wilson was well known in racing nascar circles. This was the race that they aw five hundred in nineteen eighty brought you to the attention to the fans because you came down there with buddy and i think it was an oldsmobile black and gray hoes will colorado gray allies so much behind that story you know it's probably one of the the highlights of my alarm you know to start with it the next in the season you don't want to have some trouble with some guys shop doing different things they shouldn't be doing and and season ended and then they was only three of us left in the shop period <hes> going into nineteen eighty. Is this seven day in the seventy nine so going to eighty season. You know like i said there's only three of us in the shop here. I looked out racecar and i remember it. All i learned about dynamics and rolling resistance in anything. Thanks mike reiss cargo fast science rail. There's a mile to put everything. I'm all in learning about race in the put it into this race car so bob sweet tech. I'd worked home on a mood and he had his own shop at that time so i went to him and i need this oldsmobile. I wanted to take it apart. I won't say exactly what i want you to and and we own on drugs strings down the side and everything and you know i want the body move forward because it was legal. You do the things that that time. It wasn't nothing wrong with that. Magic steel couldn't move so far but i told him i said now when you get phased thing that long template has to fit like a glove but i had a reason for slant but anyway i i knew nascar be all over me. I wouldn't let her favorite people that don't think time but anyway i'd go at at lunchtime and look at it and i said no cutting back off as they was getting the sides messed opponent front fenders back fans can big bubbles on the quarter panels. I'd like that. I wanna darter. Dynamic is just today. Mike is you could possibly might want finally got the car fantas. Take it back to shop in the meantime. I'm working to in christmas and new year. I said i know the only personal working largest but i had so much to do and then i finally got enough people will be have a pickering so we go to daytona and ryan you know right out of the box car was very fast and <hes> i remember that wake you know i'll take a one about everything that week so anyway i remember sunday morning league may to call me karaj office i went in. He run everybody out and he said i'll tell you something he said. There's nobody here wants to run against that race car. Today is addict addict racecar nothing wrong with it. He said we know we've been. We've checked. It ever not answer the accident where you had to cover so funny thing about it. It was almost saturday night before five hundred they on a radio show a welder beach and <hes>. I will tell them out of the race how the leak leak was going and i said come in the morning and bill france collared aiming komo. We don't talk to you more. You mentioned up to show your stinking up your show. I said i'm i'm not doing anything wrong. Deals taking up so anyway. I'm telling your story. I'll look a nerve betty jane and bill france sitting in the front display. I kind of have to that. We become friends because he finally figured out that i was not doing anything oh and go back to john home in which oh i didn't bring us up john home of the ten years. I worked for him. He said l. fair. Catch you cheating on fire you. He told me that you could win race without cheating and not only that i'll let you know that's where i want to do it anyway. I didn't want to look over my shoulder and more about getting caught for this or that. Take my time working on something legal ryan make it go face. I'm not getting trouble rebel but during that race you know that was unbelievable race car how fast it warms and doing practice. I remember the people component. The drivers complained about say coming upon suffice. We can't seem coming right so we've had to paint the bottom of the part of the sort of ah yeah. We did it so so they can see the car but it was. I remember one way started to paint that car. You know i picked out what color that had a corvette of gray on top and then the black bottoming in where i had trouble with the three stripes down the side you know had the yellow and orange orange and red when the match and i remember mobile people come daytona and look at it and his helmet and come up with this race car beautiful rice going buddy had tried for a lot of years at that point to win the daytona five hundred it was almost an early precursor to the winless streak that del earnhardt heart had in the daytona five hundred. What did it mean to you once. He crossed the finish line to be able to give him that daytona five hundred victory well. He told me start art where he said. I'm not gonna win is right for nineteen years and it's it's voted me and our can't figure out how to win the thing and but he tried to give it away. Basically it does come down to the last pitch up. I remember this and i nobody is. He's coming to me. I said now you gotta stop. Stay out. Don't get close to us so you can go straight in straight out and we need six seconds. You sat in here. I get the gas in it and i'm thinking about tad government. Why are we going to get thanks to dump quick enough because i knew how many seconds it took a dump cana- gas benign you the restriction today. It's being amount i said punch knocks on bond that what guys can and will hate. It breathes better so knock some holes but anyway when buddy stopped you know i i wrote tin wind chill wind grab hold on and <hes> and i can tell that he was going only go 'cause he but arena we can in one thousand two. I got up to six and he'd done doppler clerks well. I'm trying to get more mouths began to the gasman here hooked up access point. Stop up and your chromebook got gas canned and you know at christ their own road but anyway go back on a racetrack will. He has a nine second lead. Read code bobby allison bud moore's ford was drafting us but i guess i changed or outside. I'm not sure being away we had an articulate and then he goes ten seconds sega second said buddy slow down he holiday. I can't hear you stretch it out. Thirteen seconds i mean he was going and they will to lapse apps ago. I was a coaching so that helps us but i don't know if we made it all the way or not but anyway went and victor circle and on air detail list but whenever i picked up a car from bob sweet tech he knew he didn't give me a bill at that time emailed it to me ten thousand dollars. Also you buy four race card. I don't get me fired right there without hurt me whole week. All i could think about it that ten thousand dollar bill on that race car and hurry i don't know anything about it so anyway getting victor lane and by the way and he's you know one of the nascar people they've come up tearing donald standing beside him and he said well today you just said a speed speed record for the all time for fights at five hundred mile and not all that you want two hundred and three thousand dollars to know where you were ninety three o._t. And for roy score. I know you come back today. Tana onto the next year with bobby allison and you have the whole controversy with that was that out of two places places that are still today. They're both at daytona and that's one of them but we were dying when when he's running mobiles and then we decided to go stay with those mobile oh baby holy building those mobile went down to test it in december and <hes> so he's going round racetrack warming up. I'm listening to that rice car. You're not told run lick. He said way up to speed. I said nope we get up to speed listen that i said it's like a flag flapping in the wind is beaten eaten against it sale and it didn't so we sent a guy outside tanasugarn get it was legal for that year next year so we come back quinn had a pontiac grand prix in pontiac lamont's lots of lemoyne's so we go. Hey for practice we go to the dealership asked him about lamont. We don't have a lot when you show pitcher fastback yeah. That's it so are called the guy's job to building so they went got the sheet metal. We put it together. We go through talladega halladay and of course they're clock in the car talladega. Tell in daytona how we're willing to naked told them going fast. It was i didn't have it that face for my stop apart so we showed up at daytona with and and your come a whole bunch of them looking the thing and an eight a big lincoln towncar their new. He's edem gets a net towncar. Go out to bring him back. Listen uh well. How did you come up with. This and build gaz waves day night beside him. I said well here's a sheet and then all the media our together around they already seen what was going on. I said it's almost as pontiac grand prix and going by the rules signed by bill galloway before poor bill frasca catch yourself. He doesn't pick jumped all over. Bill gas way for not checking it out so then we had to sit there. They didn't have a car in the state of florida. They found one in georgia. You brought it down might tampa tougher and i'm thinking whether it's one tampa up a bunch of them temple's head and then we plead on race car if if we're built the race card by the template have been a lot faster because it was all in our favor put sheet mail on it it went against us so anyway we finally get to to inspection it was like fifteen for the end the practice next as qualified so we do get couple apps on the racetrack then we're going to talk next day qualifying wind up on a pole and boy that really did set amount like that but they were laid the rice all day a. and then this is what really hurt we run out of gas coming down the backstretch for the last time the gas it cost five hundred now from bat point is i remember. I remember talking to both you and harry about it. Nascar kept changing the specs for that car <hes> almost at the point where you just right well they kept taking a spoiler off of it and then finally we just had to give up the corn quinn you couldn't you couldn't raise so you know without some downforce on it is that a nascar vendetta got caught. I know that bobby was particularly disappointed about that. Races wall and i think that he's mentioned that kinda. Maybe hurt your relationship. Do do you remember anything about that or no. I don't i don't remember any bad of anything that you know it. Just one of liam claims that you know i've always wondered by. What did we do wrong did we did. We don't figure the feel mileage correctly they went. I'll get gas with all we did so many ups and then the next thing he was leading the race all time so that's gonna run burn fuel when your front breaking there yeah so. I don't know anyway what it meant to win. We didn't now. You said that that was one rice. That really disappointed you. What was the other well. You know whenever we would k._o._a. Unwanted flip back card. I tunnel those two things in both of them. Having daytona really heard kale came on board what year now well he came came to the end of <hes> really eighty two in going into two three season okay but i remember that flip but in eighty three and again in eighty four you won the daytona five hundred with kale now eighty three was the year that he qualified at two hundred on the first lap and then wrecked act on and then wrecked on the second well what happened you know was the yearbook <hes> in <hes> eighty two would benny parsons we we both two hundred miles and aren't talented for the first time you know which are the bigger bigger thing than i thought it was at the time i remember going outside and get some tickets guys <hes> <hes> you know bring their wives down to get in and i mean they were jumping up and down impose. I really sold tickets two hundred mile run and then being the first one to do that that was bake exalt then at the end of the seventy eighty two season you know then you know bobby left and <hes> d._n._a. Eight eighty one end starting to come in but it in the start of the same news agencies season i remember k._o. Come to minutes drive at rice car. I thought he was kidding. Me so shunned it off went on but win. Bobby come driving so then then at talladega the second race awesome <hes> he came up to again. Kale said dammit one. L. owned job at race. He never said nothing like that. I can't let you you series. He saw no serious in my life well. I was really shocked he wanted to do that aren't so i'll tell you one thing you've got to ride. I'm near came came the racetrack. I said well. Are you done. What i mean i could tell the look on his face in dollar done it over him any of them. They didn't can understand why done that. He's well okay who jar kale yaba here kit nope. He said good deal but anyway i remember being at detroit and win thome with at the end of that season chile. Come one nope we pay with switched to them so i told him we would so they send us hollow point. We needed to race on so we built that car and we go out the window wintom at g._m. And in the winter when the you know the race track sa- conference in them right here soon then horsepower. I add no dragged number that calculates out to the car to three. You're kidding you. Wait and see saint anyway. We get the daytona and forty five flats two hundred mile air and kim's ruining forty five a._m. New native ninety what is wrong rice car yeah wow well it but i was used to a uh buddy baker and bobby allison all guys two or three laps and you know exactly what chant campbell sandbagging he'd really in haifa laps or whatever he's doing but anyway oy. He's told me he said day poor-quality so we're okay worrying about it. He said let me tell you something. I never been enough in their face. He said insulin go down the backstretch and he said as a couple of bumps that actually spins attire and beneath when i go into turn and to me it's like you know whole needle try and three but he said don't mansa car hits okay okay all right so go to qualify then he goes back here and being spoiler down more our two had it down twenty degrees best. I remember but you might as well take it off because a notchback it had lift start wheel in the rear so he goes out there to qualify thing i lap. He run forty four seventy something as well two hundred mile and down the backstretch him guys in power. There's jumping up and down hollering they. They tell me i afterwards at one guy was timing at different dental. He said you think that's something he's a clip at two or three now and then when he went in turn three you know then he ended up upside yeah so anyway bite you pick me up on pit road and went up to the race cars set up by back on wheels. One of the guy was staying there bidoon alright william firemen. He said only think hey why not break two hundred mile there. We went and infield air center. He was in there and he laid checking him out. I looked up at me so don't everything right but one thing he put controls in flight quiet inside. He's he's our new as well. Is it true that you actually went out and got a show car well or is that legend well looming alright what happened when we come back in the garage to i won grammy with bill france and he said well he said you've got your two hundred miles an air he said in view stay fix that race car so we'll leave somebody where you're where you're twenty four hours a day and you can work until thursday and then start to one twenty over one fifty whichever and run a couple of hours. Come back and finish it an hurry when you walked up to me and say well my jet setting out here. Goffin came at farms at my jet-setting. Let's set out here if you can use it either one of them chevrolet call got in touch with him and said anything you need from detroit. We'll have it down tamar so off the guys and they'll tell you the guys who can kill wanted to bring waiting whenever we come with us and we're not going to work on it right on three hours. We're going to be happier when i go may night race car so i remember leonard. Would it combined. He said well. You're not gonna fix royce gone. He's let me tell you sent. He said you've been on a pole for life for years. Different drivers different cars and now you're gonna gonna break your starting a puzzle well. I wanna fix it. He said let me tell you something. You'll always regret it which he very true a funny thing it said junior johnson by human movies friends he said anything goes out a turnover so basically it was the crew that made the decision said did they didn't wanna fix it. Why not yeah i did well. I didn't want to be in the time. I knew it was gonna be some long hours to get it peeled yeah and <hes> but we can pick stories car could have paid some we bought input into twitter nas hold. It granted cox. Oh really now then then we come. I yeah i called my son greg. He's back in charlotte and i told him bring out <hes> lamont down there might show are rarely and so. He brought it down there him a free meal is free and had a pickup truck and trailer et. He started out race cars on say brought it down there on we'll load it and put it through inspection qualified it. We didn't put a lot of everything but he run one hundred ninety five miles in there but then caitlyn his ability sunday sunday come and <hes> you know he won the daytona five hundred which remarkable absolutely one again and eighty four but i always hated if we do if we'd finished that lap where he flipped it to three win it on the poll but five mile air poll car ended up one hundred ninety eight now now bill france would have been so how did the deal with hendrick motorsports come about. When did you first hear about that. Well uh sad to say you know you know with having trouble paying bills and <hes> the guys in the shop kept saying we need to get us out of here so being honest about it. That's in the same time. What is it daytona win. Racist and ray kennedy would be on a motorhome. Martin extra victory lane hollered at let me said well these days alone you okay. You ended up owning me so you came on board in eighty seven. Eh you were daryl's cruzi starting in eighty seven and that was the drain tame quote unquote. I noticed that smirk. They had their yeah what was wrong. What had well. I get into full details. Part happened but here did a lot of things brought into play you know i they say you know whenever rick in our discuss may come into work pointman so i finally told him i would. It was always just dr william nobody in the middle and then the dan i have to that as other people involved in this went south. I think we can pretty much determine where someone might have gotten in the middle but we don't well yeah. Let's leave that light but anyway you know rick you know. He's a great yard but you know he didn't know so what is going on with his team. He's it's chevrolet. Selling selling cars gets his time at the racetracks. So you became a team manager yeah uh of the hendrick motorsports you started out with daryl and then you became the team manager and then i think you went to be jeff's crew chief well at some point yeah jail jail you know good good relationship about nine jared potter and he's great driving guy got to work with. You know twenty guys it. If if the public knew he met howard different respective of him brian because he was a great guy an anti marijuana ricky rudd ninety and ninety ninety one wound you know we ended up second in points and they took roy away from us at sears point. Oh yeah let's talk about that a oh. He loves baby allison. Anyone baby allison is the leader on the last lap ricky's behind him and things turn in eleven that they made contact nascar assuming at the time that was all roads fall. They shove davey. I ought to track doc and rich come around and he did not get the checkered flag. You got a lemon to the white two white yeah okay well that was that was one horrible deal. You know i remember you know. Dignity was not out there. He was not calling the race on. We media one darlington was leading the points ricky ricky watters and ricky a heck of a road racer coming into that turn and you know you see both of them was on the brakes. It wasn't like ricky. Let go the break. Could you could watch the front end of the cars entail what he was doing with the paddles and he hit him and police him out but before that race you know that's whenever geoff bodine and and <hes> earnhardt and and and <hes> alien and all of us get into wreck in each other and everything and finally they said you keep it straight to lies couple apps then you have added so anyway it was dan come into the white flag in and then they wouldn't give us a lot give it to ricky i mean to davey and anyway they had lap down and then went into the trailer talking meal france and i remember him saying whatever don't get this personal and i who <hes> you know i was so right about that. I mean i never seen them do that. Before i was my next question essentially qualified right well correct yeah and then they finally come back and put a so many seconds back and give a second place but i remember i come back home addict bay okay tacoma and the next day and is what al i never took raceway p._m. So that was not right and bill france had come to me. It's a cerebral time to front me about it because he knew it wasn't a but he you just backed his people. He knew that shouldn't have been done. Nobody tomasa barely don't ever do another team like that again. Because i said you helped us out. You actually wiped us that when you've done and <hes> being that was a you ran second in points grail what could have happened had edgy won that race yeah. It took a moment amount of us. You know i mean what are you going to take it right away from me and you've never seen anything black before in already your long career no but i couldn't. I couldn't get enough to get it chains. They had their mind made up. You know les les richter and hoots. They would hoots with calling the race and they never called race before. How long did it take you to get over that. Never okay. I can imagine there was one time you left hendrick motorsports and then you went to work for after that i went to hedrix larry and then we run a ricky craven and joe nemechek. We run both him with craven. Craven had a good good year with him. We ended up winning rick rookie of the year with the ricky craven okay so you work for larry edrich and then. I believe that you went over to be team manager for rick mast <hes> didn't rain but at nine nine awed you know he was trying to buy kale out and start at team and kill me coming manage right but then i didn't work out you know clinton come up putting money so lead the year two thousand and by then you essentially retired forget to question but did you really wanna do or did you think woah that time. I was pretty well burned out. You know last couple round. I had burnt me out and what have you done in retirement well now. I work for jericho transportation paypal jerry. You know the owner you know i i would looking for work but he wanted to know coming up him. He knew i knew the people on could get in their shops and and it was good because i go i go by aggravate me. It was a good relationship the world do you know the last couple of years. There has been kind of a groundswell of support. When it came to the nascar hall of fame i did an interview you with rarin ham before this year's election and he said we have to get what else into the nascar hall of fame when you hear people like like that speaking in your favor and saying that what needs to be in here. What did that mean to you. Well it means a lot. When you period you know people like him with the reputation it rahab in in saying making comments like that you know it really makes you feel good but did you ever see yourself getting into the hall of fame. No no definitely not because you know all through my years i was in the background right and it was always owners and and drivers not and you know not crew chiefs or engine builders or whatever so to get into this and you know it. Just i just have to thank god for it well once again. We congratulate you and we thank you for talking with us. It's been fascinating bad. Okay you guys. Thank you so much. Both of you <music> at darlington. Raceway tradition comes comes alive. Here's bill elliott out of turnover. Four herald kinder- has the checkered flag in hand elliot takes it and wins the winston million and the southern five hundred seventy years of racing facing the track too tough to tame how come celebrate the nineties with us at darlington raceway on labor they weekend earnhardt will win his second southern five hundred six victory at the darlington raceway in south carolina jeff gordon will win mark. Martin makes it four wins. The role to purchase tickets call eight six six four five nine race aleco at you racist off turned number three back to start finish to take the checkered flag or visit darlington raceway dot com the measure of career winning a stubborn five hundred bring the family and relive the history richmond rich but gets the jacker at richmond wins the southern five hundred south carolina just right so steve. What do you know about the situation at the end of the nineteen seventy eighty nine season where the rainier racing team had three guys left at the shop that really stuck out to me because i really hadn't heard a lot about that. I it was a situation where the team we on certain how much further could go on ebay that gets a situation at that particular time and you know it was a skeleton crew through trying to get ready for the daytona five hundred i loved what he said about kind of misogyny that car i kind of had a vision of harry hog in the i'm gonna give you all over the ground of course they weren't set up an old abandoned bar but he wanted that car the way that he wanted it and he wanted as aerodynamic is he could possibly get in hollywood. I believe that's what he got. He saw the potential in the car. So so what the hell was very careful about making sure that the car was aerodynamically sound as it could be once they got down to daytona and basically won the pole one. They're twenty hundred twenty-five and dick beattie bill france junior came to him and said you're sticking up the show and while they l. said everything's legal yeah i will head to be legal was john home and told him not to cheat and that's because i think that right car at a bullseye on it it was being on be heavily scrutinized by nascar particularly after hit run everything he did win in daytona and stinking up the show you know nascar hat is is square on that car and try to catch anything possibly could and steve the other part of that portion of the interview that we did with what l. i almost laughed out loud when he talked about the bill that he got for that car for ten thousand dollars thousand dollars for the whole car now. I'm sure that didn't include the engine or transmission or anything like that but that's still <hes> money for that time but ten thousand dollars and he was afraid to tell harry room near how much that thing cost i kinda giggled when he talked about how much they won and he said no not quite as we've run this much not that much but we've we've won the purse minus ten thousand now not tina you one daytona five hundred watt. L. said they was one of the two races that hurt him. The most steve wow was that car so controversial well first off it was a pontiac grand lamar and it was on the list of legal cars for nascar but no one one really anticipated what it really was and it was spotted at a car lot by alison yeah and took a look at it and said hey we gotta try this thing out and so he told why they on harry about it. They took the car to talladega before heading the daytona and tested it and when they tested it there here they knew they add something they did very well have something but they got to daytona in. I think nascar was kind of spun out about it. It was something that they didn't expect aspect and certainly the competitors. It was something that they were expecting to have to compete against but did i hear what l. correctly. They only had to fit one long template. What he said one long temple i can remember going to inspection at several races and seeing that they might have had more than one long one but if they did there was only two or three of them and the long one when it's the one that mattered because that was the one that gauge the length of the car and not only that the the era dynamic strength of the car and grandma had that rear window. Let's slope downwards yeah and it gave it that much more downforce on the track and dan nascar during the inspection couldn't do anything about it because it was legal so with a car being legalized that and nascar not being prepared for tells me that nascar pretty much got caught with your pants down so to speak so you don't think that the grand lemond would have been able oh to survive the room of doom today all no i don't think so they get into the race and bobby runs and out of gas and it cost him the daytona five hundred and when i talked to bobby for the podcast that still kind of didn't and sit too well with him and obviously it didn't sit too well with what l. alternate at the end of the year bobby left left the thing that respected about what l. hated not talk bad about anybody he wasn't about to criticize bobby allison no and he wasn't about out to criticize. You know some deals that came later. They will talk about a minute or two. He played those cards pretty close to the vest. Yeah interestingly why what the hell could have been only myself because they may their last stop was for two tires and gas and it took them seventeen seconds to do the next two guys that came in but by the baker and dale earnhardt two seconds quicker and how complex into the race changed when richard petty came in and took on gas ask only for seven seconds yeah he had a ten second lead when the race resumed and that was more than enough not teenager three kiara in qualifying. He turns two hundred miles an hour on the first lap qualifying. He's still building up momentum. It looks like he's going to go. I believe wedel adele said two hundred and three miles an hour and the next closest guy was what one hundred ninety eighty cents yeah so kale goes into turn three three and loses control air gets up under the car and yeah he winds up on the roof. Absolutely the windshield popped out of that car. Yes i remember remember seeing that clearly to this day. You know that's interesting about what kale was trying to do you that he was helping to make nascar history and you can't faulting for trying extra hard to go even faster on his second lap no question he was trying to make nascar history but unfortunately it didn't work out nevertheless it <hes> it says something about kale yarbrough and he stallard driving and there is dick brooks mavra standing next to in the garage here and dick looked at me after he's all that incident. He said you know if they want to castrate that s obese chainsaw okay. There's a new quote to be. That's the quote quote debate for this by guest now steve. Did i hear again. Did i hear what l. correctly when he said that. The crew basically refused to repair the car yeah they did. I said my understanding from what i heard from houses. Nobody really wanted to put the effort into it because it didn't think it was worth it. I yeah but that's a little surprising it is to me too. I would think that he had a car going that fast and you saw it. Go past you. Try everything everything you could to put it back in the race. It sounded to me like there might have been a little bit more than what what al was willing to say could be could be yeah yeah so again not to ninety three daytona five hundred the legend has it that they went back to the shop and what else signed brought down what was essentially a show car and kyle drives it to victory using that just that beautiful slingshot move on the last lap. I believe that one was on was it buddy baker. I think nineteen nineteen eighty three was buddy baker and then eighty four he got around darrell waltrip on the last lap so that show car rampart well for kale in the other segment meant that we kind of talked about that i kind of wanted to know about was what l. and the dream team at hendrick motorsports and darrell waltrip and and the todd sponsorship but what l. he wasn't going to say about that deal out. Here's the situation to wrap it up pretty quickly. He had too many cooks. Six in the kitchen. Deal was used to dealing with the team motor one on one yeah now he had another fellow daryl very opinionated <hes> also looking for that same audience and when the head contracting ideas it it was gonna be a real message to figure out which way we're going to go because the situation was who is going to get his way me why del or you you daryl and that was a very difficult situation. During the course of the year why didn't last the whole year as darrell watters crew chief and then he became aimed geoff bodine's crew chief and kinda was in the pits when jeff was going up against dale earnhardt and some of those heated battles and then in nineteen ninety one on he was the crew chief in the pits at sears point when ricky rudd got ended back davey allison come into the white flag and even now i can see see what el- wilson just fuming yeah after the checkered flag and they had given the race to davey allison and penalized ricky rudd. I guess it was what five up seconds a couple of hours set up the whole situation. Y del said hey come on guys. You know punishes in you you can but don't take this race away from us and that's what they did was at that race in nineteen ninety one. I was totally surprised that nascar did what it did because because always had the philosophy that the fans should see the real winner of the race. Well isn't that what they got but that's it's not what nascar determined in that particular race. If you take the race away from ricky rudd at sears point in nineteen ninety one you take the race away from dale earnhardt at bristol in august of nineteen ninety nine. Can you believe that's been twenty years unreal unbelievable unbelievable people still talk about that bristol finish wayne dale earnhardt and terry labonte so yeah if you take it away from ricky you've gotta take take it away from dale well. How many more cases over the years have we seen where we can say. Hey you've got to take this race from this guy but they haven't done it no to be honest with you at bake. It all goes back to the furious reaction that nascar received. I think that really proved that maybe they didn't do the right thing in that case ace and whatever happened after that i hate to say boys have at it yeah no matter what happens on that have definite change in philosophy from nascar asker after that race and it must be said. I think what they'll point is out. <hes> the crew officiating the race was not aguilar's normal normal dictator was there wasn't there david hoots called the race and hurts your favorite. David went on to call mini any mini races and just recently within. I think this is his first year every time. I don't know it's just some fun to talk about. It's never going to be resolved. Ricky ricky rudd never going to be given the win back but that's the way it goes. Steve followed brian kelp on twitter and instagram at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway t s j a dot oetzi dot com this week we talk about darrell waltrip and basically two phases of his career the tide era and also the western auto. Oh era brian has t shirts has apparel for both of those eras. I'm not surprised he also has a ricky rudd shirt. That's very cool. He also also has a davey allison. Mack tools busch series shirt so you need to check that out on speedway t s j dot oetzi dot com awesome some stuff september tenth nineteen eighteen ninety two issue of winston cup saying kerry coverage of the nineteen ninety two southern five hundred at darlington raceway steve. Tell me about that race. Sir because darrell waltrip fell into that one well yeah. You could say that that race was rain shorten. Yes and they're always the leader. When the caution came out because of the rain right and of course he was later two hours later so he was declared the winner now <hes> admitted at the time that he something to the effect that okay. Maybe this race was somewhat given to me but i'll take it now rick. Every <music> single driver who has won a race under similar conditions earned yes. I'm absolutely no viewer in first place. When the rain starts that means you aren't able to win the race and to win a race. I you must be in position. Just a highly are you listening and this has happened to many many drivers and it doesn't tarnish one thing as far as uh-huh. Oh it does not absolutely does not now in this race lap to eighty five. There's a cycle of green flag. Pit stops that starts davey allison gives up second can place and rusty wallace also comes in lap two eighty eight leader mark martin pitts lap to eighty nine dow jerk comes in and that gives it was ricky rudd the lead with darrell waltrip moving up to second then lap to ninety two rickets and d._w._i.'s the later lap to ninety six. There's a yellow flag for rain nine laptop ninety eight. The red flag comes out with darrell waltrip at the head of the pack. Now wires all bad entire secrets you about darrow's gas mileage. Jake elder was his crew chief so you know there might have been fuel lines packed all the way through those roll bars you know through the firewall you know we might have been buckshot you know somewhere being led out or whatever but they're all trips ahead of the pack when it counts the most and absolutely can't take that away from him daryl had won the week before at bristol so this was two straight wins for him now davey who is going for the winston million bonus after winning the daytona five hundred and at talladega earlier in the year and legend has it that larry mcreynolds a crew member to check out the radar and the guy came back and said it it looks clear to me and so larry brought davian and and and all the grain that gosau he thought that that meant that it was clear oak green means go so i don't know who that guy i was. I don't know how much longer he remained employed by that team but it did cost them a one million dollar bonus last week we talked about david going for the one hundred thousand dollar bonus from winston and having a pop rivet get in the way that's two races or he had a lot of money on the line and for one razor narrow. It didn't work out well. The race had gone green is very very good chance they would have won the race his car. That's wrong and there are leaving said. I guess it's actually go there and apologized today for what happened but i ain't going to stay. Let me read this paragraph to you. Get your reaction action. Okay it was also wall trips eighty four th career victory and that's fun that's accurate. It was his fourth career victory which tied him with bobby allison for third place on nascar's all time list now. What do you have to say for yourself mr wade. I'm following the record book. It's it's in black and white our. I know what you're going to say. You've drank the koolade duly. This was darrell waltrip eighty four th career victory which put him one behind bobby allison for third place on the all-time time list yeah yeah. Where is it bobby one. They didn't get credit for it because he was in a greenwich leash car a grand american cochran close okay that was at bowman gray stadium and not seventy one august of nineteen seventy-one. You can make a good point. That bobby did win a race legally. They didn't recognize it 'cause he was in a grand american car now. My question is how many grand national races in the past were won by convertible given credit winning a grand national race even though it was a convertible tiny had their own series tiny any line one races at hickory. I believe it was north wilkspur in a grand american camaro yada yada yada. He gets credit for those races. This is on his winston cup total or whatever but oh bobby now okay it was also walter eighty four th career victory which tied him with bobby allison third place on nascar's off. I just want you to sit in ruminate on. If you lose sleep over it that's on you man dan i have ruminated and i do agree. There's an issue there with bobby allison's eighty fifth and i'll go along with you you and say he did win eighty-five raises but if you use record book that nascar provide you you got to write what they say oh okay. We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that one okay. 'cause we talk about this for. I don't know how long the day before the nineteen ninety-two southern five hundred michael waltrip won the tracks busch series rice so that was pretty cool. That was a good weekend for the walker fan trips. We've talked about in other podcasts. We've talked about the letters to that intersection and there's a pretty good one in this one this letter they're came from t- wayne robertson who was president of sports marketing enterprises the sports arm of r._j. Reynolds tobacco okay so he's a big week big and in this letter he apologizes to todd vote on because bristol a couple of weeks before tide had gotten gotten into jeff burton with a few laps to go in the butcher's rice at bristol burton spun and bohdan went onto win race now. That's one thing that happens at bristol wrestle but after the race jeff burton kinda came up alongside todd kind of gave him a little shot in the door and then as they came onto pit road. I think jeff kind of ran ran into him again. Kind of nudged alongside him again didn't exactly ramming but of course was alongside him and i'm sure it was expressing his opinion. Yes he was yeah well in all the uproar the winston scoreboard. I believe it was overturned. Two at the time the winstons scoreboard comes comes up with a message and it says boo boda whoops and that's something that she cannot blame on a computer error. Okay that was a loose nut behind. The keyboard is what that was so evidently what happened was the computer operator evidently topped in this message and whether it was by mistake or not hit send and it went to the scoreboard and and that really kind of lift the fire under the whole thing certainly didn't help matters guinea not at all and key wane robertson also said it will not not happen again or you know what that means some computer operas at they're looking for work. Yes absolutely this letter. That editor said the fortunate message. Sage came about as the result of young computer operator getting carried away with the action on the track and i assure you it will not not happen again so yeah it will not happen again. I don't believe that bode too well for that young computer. Somebody got the boot. Yes somebody got a big boot boot and steve in this issue. Also we are recording this on tuesday. August the thirteenth and this is the twenty seventh anniversary of accident that took the life of clifford allison and in this issue the paper ran a poem that was written by a lisa alison clifford's widow just two days after that accident in michigan and i wanted to read because it is kind of powerful he stood very tall and brave beside the tallest of men but yet could unbel- himself to the smallest child. He touches the lives of every person he met for. He always carried a smile his his responsibilities were many and he fulfilled them in every way taking care of his family and working not day clifford racing he took seriously asli to be the best was his goal. He loved and enjoyed the people in the sport more than they will ever know. He knew what it was to struggle alone and he was not not afraid driving was his way to the top gaining more and more respect as he went on his way but finally what seemed to be a very short while clifford reached his rice and goal that god had planned while all the angels waved the checkered flag all with a smile so try not to be sad but proud of clifford for he would want it that way for he stands waiting with the lord in heaven's victory lane an example to all our lives a true champion in every way <music> out newspapers normally do not print poems and we both know that by in this case i remember saying this is something we after pret- right because it's something i think the fans should know and not only that i think it's something the fans would want and so we did it and i think that was was very appropriate and to come so close on the heels of that accident i think that's one of the reasons why it was so powerful and we've talked about it before on this podcast but losing clifford at michigan was the low point of what was such a tumultuous year for debut allison and the whole entire tire robert yates racing team so this is a very special poem for a very special person and he is still remembered to this day absolutely rusty wallace and you're listening to the scene bolt podcast steve on attuned to jordan from tennessee says this podcast is the best it's a living encyclopedia and a snapshot into the glory days of nascar steve wade and rick houston are masters at their lives craft and it's a joy to hear interviews with such celebrated icons of racing that throat us as finance over the past seventy years. Gotta give this a listen jordan. Thank you mommy masters at their lives crat where that's pretty doggone gone impressive right there buddy. If i've been mastered anything take and also brian greene on our tune says as a historian i love hearing steve wade's quote at the beginning of every podcast. I'm moved recently and now have a longer commute so i'm going back one interview interview at a time and love the stories and the reviews of the old issues of sane. Keep up the great work. I'm guessing since there are two thousand plus issues. I can it forward to nineteen hundred and forty plus more episodes. We'll try to measure yeah. We're gonna be here. We're not planning to go anywhere and i tell you one hundred and forty more episodes and on the sincere note brian thank you so levers five star rating and a written review on attuned and once we get to one hundred written reviews will be given away some more books yeah follow us on twitter at the same vault. Thank you to peter cellino and the detainment centaur media. Thank you to joey step for the musical score. Thank you to our patriotism. Pay pal supporters. Thank you brian killed and thank you steve or ric. It's <music> always a pleasure and thank you and you on top little round up. I was on top little round. Did you take josh tra- chamberlain's advice and charged uh-huh. I did straight down now. He'll actor seeing that <music> yeah.

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EPISODE 78 -- KYLE PETTY PART 1

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EPISODE 78 -- KYLE PETTY PART 1

"Hello my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene. Volkov cast your source for all things NASCAR history presented by uh-huh q.. Wire maintain excellence. I'm not sure what you paid. He's got a competitive bone in his body. Compared to my mom I felt really bad for the people that wrote the simply because they had lost somebody Pearson comes by and is loafers with a cigarette. He kind of nuts with his foot and he said Dan. We're going to have to get tougher if you run with us. We refer to it as far Falcon American racing avai NASCAR and all associated in any way. When that's forget it's passed as today? We don't have any hello. I'm Steve Way away and my name is Rik Houston and welcome to the scene vault podcast presented by Q.. Wear Steve I have the final tally for January. Or really yes I do. I did forty five point eight miles last month on foot. Okay okay now. I told you about the goal that I have to get to five two thousand by the end of the year so if I do forty five point eight if I do that every month this year I will have five hundred and forty nine point six six miles bad not bad but that would only give me four thousand nine hundred and sixty six point five miles on my app so that would mean that I would be thirty. Three point five miles short or you're going to have to pick it up. I'm going to have to take it well. You're definitely going to have to do that now. Also we have a pretty big announcement. We are going to start video when the interviews that we do from here on now and making those available over on our youtube channel and we have a really nice camera in hand. And we're going to try to do this the right way now. I will say it is. We are actually video and this now as we speak I think you were making fun of me a little bit for how long it was taken that folks. I WanNa take something we do this on video things are going to get ugly. Things are going to get ugly but then I think we already there. 'cause seriously I did use my cell phone to video our interview with Kyle petty just to kind of test test out what angle to us and everything and the sound actually turned out a whole lot better than what I expected. So what you're going to do way are going to debut are videoed interviews this week in conjunction with this episode and it will release eight. PM on Wednesday. So listeners listened listened to the podcast then head over to youtube and then watch the video interview with cow that Eric Quin Kinda edited and put together so big youtube stars. Are you ready for this kind of stardom or you're on the spot spirit and also be sure to subscribe to our Youtube Channel and once we get to one thousand listen. I've actually picked up another copy of the Winston Cup Sane. Del earnhardt publication that included the scene. Rysley for each of his seventy six points paying wins chance of one copy of that to one of our lucky youtube subscribers. That's fine price. If you are Dale earnhardt everything not this is up. Have now ask what people are going to be here in Ansi and US discuss with Kyle. He actually talked about growing up in the petty family. What it was like to be a part of a family that was so well So many and also he's going to touch on the expectations that both he and Dale Earnhardt Jr. faced being the heirs apparent to two do most successful drivers. The sport has ever known and they were pretty much on the spot rick when having to fill the shoes left by their fathers must have been an awesome awesome burden on. Both of. I think but as I'll discuss later on I think both of them came through it. Fine and then our second segment as S.. Most of our listeners. Already know John. Andretti lost his battle with colon. Cancer on January thirtieth Steve. He was such a good guy he was indeed and dealing with him as a member of the media container that he was very open. Very honest Very pleasant guy There was no question about it just almost too polite for his his own. Good you might say. But that was John and What else John? Lewis is friendliness to everyone. John always had that sly crooked smile mile on her face and Steve. I will say this back before Christmas. I had kind of put out feelers with his sister to see if he could possibly sit down with with us for an interview and she said that she would be glad to pass that long but to not be surprised. If I didn't hear back and I never did hear back so obviously John was going going through a really tough time so I do wish that we could talk to him but John. You're in a better place now absolutely so in our second segment. I actually sat down with our offramp Jamie Bishop. Who was John Gasman? When he won his first Winston Cup race at Daytona? And we talked about some of his memories that he had of working with John. John Andretti. That'll be very very good. Also on Patriots Steve. I don't know what's going on on patriotic but for the first time in January where we actually had more people actually dropped their support for one reason or another not understand that financial situations change and all that but we did lose a little ground over there so if you have been considering doing the patriotic thing please do consider helping us out. This support helps us do what we're doing the support. It helps us do the podcast. The support is going to start helping us do the videos that we're doing over on Youtube. If you appreciate what we do. Please do help us out five five dollars a month ten dollars a month twenty fifty. You guys know the drill. You know what's available. We've got commemorative issues of Grand National Sane. We've got classic issues. He's a Winston Cup. Saying we have three Steve Tracks rookie guards that are autographed and we also have the same podcast jackets jacket. So please do consider helping us out. It would be greatly appreciated over on paper on you can support us at Patriot dot com slash. The same podcast or you would rather just do a one time show of support that would be pay powered that a slash podcast Cow I don't know where to begin. But what is your earliest memory of racing. You know. That's good I don't have an early memory because all my memories are. Do you know what I mean. And and I've said that before I I've jokingly have slash seriously have said in the past they. Tony Beach was the only place I knew the ocean touch the United States. Because that's the only time I resolve the ocean wasn't Daytona Beach. You know what I mean so you grow up in your world is such a small world but our world was arrests track And we started going forever. I was I've said it before I was born June second nineteen sixty and was in Daytona July a fourth nineteen sixty At at a race. Because that's what my wife my family did. And that's what my dad did and that's where my mom took us and we've been every year after that so so it's always they're always there you know I don't. I don't think there was ever a moment. We said we're at a racetrack. This is pretty cool name name now it was just always there. was there any such thing as a petty summer vacation no Daytona Daytona Daytona Daytona. And you gotta go. Let's go all the way back. Where if you go all the way back in the sixties and stuff you're in Daytona for look over three weeks we go down there and when we were in the first second third great And early in in elementary school my sister Sharon and and our teachers would give us all of our work for the next three or four weeks. Ribbon Y- Daytona and we bust our butts and get it done like in a week. He I mean just do all of our spelling and all your math and all your writing everything that you had. Would you get it done. Well just said we got it done. My sister would get into so we were down there in a hotel. We stay at the Royal Beach and you'd get an efficiency. which was you know? He had an adjoining winning room. That Sharon and I will stay in. My Mom and dad had a room. And then you had a kitchenette That the kind of connected him and that's the way all hotels were. You know what I mean and we stayed at Royal Beach And that's just where we would stay three or four weeks in February and two or three probably at least two weeks in In July almost every year cow. You had your mom your dad your three sisters but there are literally thousands of people who considered all of you basically members of their own family. Now I think I've told you about my godmother Sandy Steph yeah You are a member of her family. I don't know that you've ever met face to face. But what's it like to have that kind of devotion from complete strangers. So I'll answer that this way never paid attention to it. Never did you. Not In my whole life. I never paid attention to it And it's funny because that tell people okay. I've always said this people come up and they'll say I'm your third cousin twice removed on your uncle's brother's Dad's side. Wha what and I will look. You're in radio now come straight non. Say here's the way it works. I got I've got a mom and dad and my mom had a brother and sister and my dad had a brother and all the kids that come out of them are they come from that side both sides of those family and my grandparents. That's as as far as my family tree goes. I don't go any farther out. I know those people I don't go any further than that. But here's what happened Sad but fascinating at the same time when Adams accident happened I know right now I can go. You can go to the shop and go to my dad's shop and I have. I don't even know how many boxes of sympathy cards. Yeah and probably we feel half this room. No joke I mean. We're in a big room. I don't have any doubt. Yeah and no doubt and and when I started when I started receiving no sympathy cards and I'd open them. Read them and open a marine them. I felt really bad for the people all that wrote the sympathy card because they had lost somebody. And that's the first time in my life that I ever realized the impact that my Granddad Dad and my dad and that this that that motorsports racing NASCAR had had on people's families you go into. They're living room every Sunday. They come and watch you and you're not it's funny. You're you're not Richard Petty Anymore. You're just Richard I Maine and you're not you're just Richard Son and then Adam was my sense so it was really funny to experience that because it was like it was a paradigm shift shift. It was you saw the world from another side. So you're right I don't I don't think I ever. I didn't pay attention to it right when when I was in the middle of it. I just didn't pay attention to to that part of it. You know what I mean But Adams accident happened. It was it was amazing and and there were other times. uh-huh that it would. It would cross your mind or are you would see it when a guy would come up and he would say he would show you a polaroid in July sixty. They had to print on the bottom of them or or the photos. The Kodak pitchers add that and he would say That's my dad and that's me when I was eight and this is my little boy. And he's eight and I won't his photo taken on you so you look at it and it's like let's three generations of their family. uh-huh you know so. This is now three generations of of our family with their family. So you do become part of their family. Yeah they were on a lighter note. There was a store in Grand Cassim on dumbass. You playing basketball and some guys. Are you a hard time. Yeah and your Mama came out and said Hey care been. We rode home together that night because they threw us out of the gym. As we're rooting for this my mom. Never if you thank my mom my mom never thought Nascar made the right call. So why would she think that. A referee made the record. Let's say she that Mama Really. She was just yes that competitive intense about things. You know what I mean. She was just that she was competitive. I'm not sure Richard Petty's competitive bone in his body compared in my mom and I will say that if you put them side by side because it was totally different but yeah I had found a couple of endless and I was wrong. I know it was wrong. But you gotta got to argue your point whether you're right and she jumped an argument with and next thing I know I think I had technical or something and next thing I know we're asked to leave the GM and then the premises so we just wrote home together that night now along the same do a my right. I seem need to remember that you were good enough basketball player to attract attention now basketball football. That was football so university. The Georgia Right I. I went Georgia Tech Pepper. Pepper Rodgers was the coach there and then that goes back that Far East Carolina. I talked to some guys from East Carolina and and a lot of other schools Taba schools around here But I had already. I'M NOT GONNA say this smart but but I had already established that when at the race track you only hit or hit possibly once a day. Okay okay we're in a football game or might be a series of downs. Got Hit a lot so I chose the one over over the Maltese I was going to be. I wanted to be tried. I want to try to be a race car driver anyhow from when I was younger. Count your first start ever in a race car is it Daytona. Yeah that just doesn't compute in my mind you had never done any short-tracker any thank thank you ever tested anyway. Blue Falcon BLUEF- out right. So you get in the car for the first time ever and that was really should it was it was the Blue Falcon and renamed it. That is a joke because Mike Being Steve Meal and all of us at the shop the the thing was ritchie. And all those it was we referred to it as far Falcon American racing team. That's why we added. That's clever very clever. Probably Yes they would not. Let me listen my dad. When my dad star raced my granddad would not let my dad start until he was twenty one until he was twenty one and And so when I come along that many I always been told is. You're going to be twenty or twenty one. I mean that's and you're not gonna be able to do anything but I was coming to the race track. I mean that's a you guys. I was already coming to the racetrack. had been coming to the race track and shoot men when I was fourteen. Seventy seventy four seventy five right along in there. I carried tires during pitstops Y Sandy and has modern went over the wall. You know what I mean I having pre insurance for you people and So I mean you know I've been I've been been around and stuff but could not drive would never let me set would never let me set in a car even at the race shop and crank it up and drive it through the parking lot or moving around or do anything so once you do that. You're hooked yeah but the NFL thing was the thing was He said I told them they want me to go to school. Yeah when wanted me go to college college when we go to school and parents do. It's what you want your kids So that's what they wanted. My mom had visions of grandeur that I would become come a pharmacist and run the pharmacy and and in downtown random and grew up to resemble multiple drug dealers ever became a farmer. As you said I never become. I've never become a but I told him I said okay. I'll go to night school so I went to Ashburn to business school in Nashville got kicked out there refunded. My Mom's money one of the saddest days of my mom's life because I would come straight from work straight from the garage garage night. Sometimes I would have worked in the body shop so look like I had talcum powder all over me because I had been you know sending Bondo or sometimes sometimes I would smell like lacquer thinner or salt. I just didn't have time to. I'd just went straight from work there. So how do you last. I probably lasted two or three monse. Okay yeah longer than I anticipated. Let me say that but anyhow so that was the deal I would do that and we could get one of those dodgers is ready so we gotta dodge ready and we went to Daytona and tested and Went Back and ran. The race should not have one race. I I will say that gaining fill finish should have won the race You had Billy Hagan was in it. Ron Hutchison had some good guys. Some pretty good guys But feel Finney and yeah I remember you guys will remember the guy. You're in the days when you ran glass windshields. I think feel hit a seagull with about ten or fifteen laps to go on the windshield caved in And that stops you with a big hole in the windshield and windshield cave in so Came down to me and Rezaq Arriba whatever you bought in Vac. Anyhow I ended up winning the race so that was my first choice I was standing next year. Fowler on top of the truck while you were driving that right and he he was nervous. Oh He'd say he'd saying though. Is that move up cow. Move Up and when you did did and maybe lapper to he turned to me and easier. Well there's one thing he knows how to lead a race Zagreb. I didn't know how to follow it. Didn't know how to write. Thought it was the greatest racecar driver in the world wants. I left there but I didn't. I didn't have a clue how to Rice. Well that's exactly my next question after you get the trophy in Victory Lane you're eighteen. You're eighteen years old. You're ten foot tall bullet proof. Yup which is all eighteen year olds are and I just had a little bit extra. Now you've got to resume honestly honestly. What were your expectations having expectations? You know. And and and that's that's a great question because I don't believe did you expect to go set the West. nope sorry not it's ears no no and I'm gonNA tell you this. I don't believe that I ever had. And maybe that's what my biggest vault one of my biggest. I never heading expectations. Listen you're eighteen go to Daytona. You can go out there and run one hundred ninety five miles an hour. You don't give a rat's rear end what anybody thinks about you. You don't care about anything else. You're just having fun. You're eighteen eighteen years old just driving so the thing is there. Were No expectations and understand that I had grown up with and so to this day. I'm still batting a thousand when it comes to Arca because never run another. Arthur never got back in an Arca car period so that is my claim to fame. But I I say this I grew up around Pearson and Baker. I'm Bobby Donnie. Kale and Leroy and Charlie Gladbach and I mean we can go to. You can go through all of them. Okay so I go straight from Arca to run a cop so I'd jump straight out an Arca car and the next thing I'm at come over to Charlotte Test Kazeem won't come to Charlotte and race and I had no clue how to get around Charlotte. I crashed three times in two days. I mean trying to trying to figure out folly. Just wipe the car out so bad. We couldn't put it back together and I couldn't go test so they were like well. We know he can get around a big track. Let's go to Talladega so my first cup race was Talladega. So you know I go Talladega and On the same track with Richard Petty and David Pearson and Kale and those those gas and I'm like Holy Crap and you know these are the guys. These are the guys that I grew up when I was eight and nine hanging out with by the swimming pool in Daytona Beach going when my dad riverside and going out to dinner with them and just hanging out because that's what everybody did. Everybody Hung Long. So it's like it's looking back. It's a little surreal to think about it. You know what I mean. Yeah it's like Hey delivered painter Picasso and now I'm painting with what's the deal was that it was that kind of thing so it was crazy and I'll never forget man when Talladega qualified eighteenth or nineteenth. Because that's when you step two rounds of golf on you know you'd take twenty and then the next day back and take fifteen or twenty or whatever they did. And you were at Talladega Negga from Tuesday on but Qualified and I thought man. I'll qualify bobby allison is going to be big. They dropped the green flag. And I don't know where those guys win. I have no idea where last week you know what I mean and I knew I I. Can't I knew they were. I watched them race my whole life and I knew they were all great everyone of them. But when you're out there you see them. It's different and you know that day I run. I run the top ten. When Day was over with finished in the top hop down? We'll sail run a top ten. Finish the difference in running in the top ten and finishing out. But I'll never forget man I'm out and you know that you had the Talladega and you had to look like an old bridge remember. The garage area looks like it was just barely hanging on. And I get out of that thing and I'm beat I'm beat. I've run an ARC race. I've never run five hundred mile race. My light snow anywhere so I jump in this thing I I get out. And I'm laying on the concrete and just laying there and Pearson comes by a loafers with cigarette and he kind of not the with his foot and he said Damn. You're going to have to get tougher if you run with us. And the the the thing was I don't think honestly early until that moment 'cause that was eighteen man. I'd three months before that I'd been playing football and basketball baseball. I was in shape shape but I don't believe that until that moment that I realized how tough they were they weren't. They were physically tough because they were mentally tough off. It would just strong between their ears. You mean they wouldn't fail because their brain wouldn't let them fail you mean and even when their body gave out and they had broken bones and they were just barely hanging on they were still driving. They were that was the toughest group of guys ever period bar. Not Nobody. That's come after was was like that. That group was so it was it was it was just learning curve. It was different being out there watching. Well I think I know that answer to this but you and maybe one other driver faced monumental and probably probably unrealistic expectation out of you and Dale. Yeah did you think about it. You try to manage it in and you know and and this this is why I say that I was very and I think you've got to go back to my mom to a little bit because the thing thing is listen. I don't it's like if we could pick pick probably out of ten race car drivers you could pick six or seven and I would say okay. Maybe that guy was my dad. I would have different expectations. But you know you're asking me to go one on one with Richard Petty and that's totally different. Yeah that's you're asking junior to go one on one with with his dad and his dad is much reputation and and legend has it is anything else you know what I mean but but and so it's the same with my dad. I mean you you because if we go back ninety percent eighty percent of the racist which paid around one thousand nine hundred and some races and out of that only probably two hundred fifty on TV. You mean you're just hearing here in second hand what people said he did it Wilkspur or what people said he did at Bristol Earnhardt at least came along and you saw it. You mean you you can go back and watch some of that stuff you know what I mean but you know legends are bill from people that we go back to your other question. You know you're you you become part of their family where they're going to Brag on you you know they're not gonNA tell you they're they're they're going to Brag on you man so I didn't. I didn't have any expectation and I go back to that before I started. I just wanted to run races drive. Racecar work on race cars. I liked working on race cars. Still if I could go back and somebody would harm me to work on in cars at work on cars because I enjoyed welding and fabricating and that part of it but you know I never tried to be. I never tried to be Richard and I and I said this before and and there's a couple of pitchers of my Granddad and my dad and myself in an atom if you had an opportunity if we could turn turn back time or go to a place where you could bring my granddad in here and asked him six questions and then bring my dad and ask him the same sex as me the same sex and then ask them. You're going to four different people for totally different people. Not even a little bit close. You know what I mean. My Dad was nothing like my Granddad Granddad and I'm not really anything like my dad and Adam was not like any of us. He was bits and pieces. But it's it's it's a crazy. I don't think any of US looked at being. A clone of Lee petty are being a clone of Richard Petty or Adam looked at being a clone of any of us. That's obviously really something that you've learned to deal with over the years the expectations and everything and I I gotta say on Social Media You you are a master. Ah Clap and back off and people will get on twitter and say you're not your dad and you'll you'll go right back after. Yes that's something that you've had I deal with forever but is that something that you have ever talked to Dell Junior. You know we talked about it very little very little because I have a toe. I just have a different personality. A strange person and when I went to drop for Felix and people would say stuff. Felix's like man you got skin like an Armadillo and I'm like no not really I. It's just that I don't care what that the guy says. I don't know that person and he didn't know me you mean He. He's he's read about me in the paper he's watched me onto. You didn't know me so so and I don't know him I don't know him. You know what I mean. So I can't make the statement he makes for me about me becomes just small small and what the world is so. I've just never paid attention to it. You know what I mean. I honestly from the time I was little have just never pay attention. I think they all I went to a point where things did bother him and he had to get to that place where they didn't bother him and I think he's an a lot better place now and I think amy has been and really really crucial to help him a lot But you can't you can't let that and listen if you're in if you're if you put yourself out there in the public and you're in the public domain and I see this all the time with people that are actors and stuff is like you know we went on privacy. You know what the go to meal and work you mean. Perhaps if you do this that's what you're doing you can't have you can't have just just one side of it. You gotta you gotTa take the whole thing but you gotta be able to You at some point deal with the whole thing right Hello Race Fans and thank you for listening to the scene rainfall. PODCAST Quin with Q.. 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What is your earliest memory of cow? Well when I first saw me was a teenager a bushy hair. He had awesome hair. Yeah had that Petty Grin and he was always around his father at the race track. So that's when I first encountered today but now the first time. I think that I ever spoke together was pretty unusual situation. They was actually at a Winston. Salem Hockey Tame Really Okay Winston Salem used to be part of the old southern Hockey League air special guests for the evening of this game was Richard Panik and of course was he came along at cow was with him about this time eighteen. I'd say okay. Nineteen somewhere in that range and I got to talk to Richard Up at a reception exception. The team had for him and I said to him. You Know I. I saw that Richard Petty movie again. The Petty Story Number Forty Three. Can I ask you what did you think of that kissing scene. You had to do with that girl the plays your wife. Oh here we go enrichment. No AH IN CAL- came up to me and said you don't want to ask that question of Mama that that was the first sentence that does bring up my next question. I had to laugh when he was talking about his mom and how she was. So ultra competitive. How would you like for Linda? Petty to be yelling at you during a bog well. I think that I could stand that more than into petty yelling at me for killing the movie stars playing her. No after Kyle told me about Linda's reaction to that scene scene in the movie. Yeah I couldn't believe she yell at Somebody Ballgame. The image that I had of her was the very matronly racing wife in the Karaj area and we all know the well known story after Richard wrecked in the nineteen eighty eight Daytona. Five hundred her first question to him in the Infield Care Center was are are. We still having fun. You know because evidently he had told her that he would consider retirement when it was it fun anymore. Question was still fun is is it fun now. Who was the Linda Patty that you knew very gracious woman? If you're one of the trump era lady like She would talk to me about things that that she was doing. The had nothing to do with race in the school board and things of that nature just opened up and start talking about and she made a lot of media friends in raising an all of them talked more about Linda talking to them about things away from racing. She was very much interested in very personable. Steve how in the world did cow wind up making his very first taught car racing start ever at Daytona. That just doesn't seem well. Oh for life of a better term. It just doesn't seem very wise. He didn't raise anywhere else. He hadn't even raced. It hadn't raced at Bowman Gray or any of the other tracks around in that area so he starts his racing career at Daytona. But when that happened I didn't really think much about it because I just thought it was a natural progression progression for the sun to join the father at the racetrack where the father had so much excess. Now he was in an Arca car called the blue. Rupaul can dodge the Falcon American racing team. Think about that one otherwise known as far. Just how nervous was Richard during that race. He didn't appear that nervous to me because I was standing there watching. He was all business business as he was watching that race. Steve of all the drivers who have ever drove in Nascar. I believe that the two that have had to deal with the most unrealistic expectations speculations. Would have to be Kyle and Taylor and Hart Jack and we all know the reasons why there's Daddy's won seven championships Richard One two hundred races seven Daytona five hundred hundred. You can go on and on numbers yeah. Let's look at it realistically okay. Of course they came into the race with big expectations. And and you know you you really have to figure that can be very difficult for them to kind of feel that but competition-wise let's be real. They both races they over very popular and they all went to Bush Years Championships. So let's go beyond the racetrack and see what they created. They were multi-talented multifaceted. ACID individuals. College course came up with the charity ride across America and Qala-e-nau in television and does very well in that and in college probably one of the most as we found out as one of the most outspoken individual. That's right yeah and same thing for Dale. Jr. Yes he's the one that most popular driver Award Multiple Times. He has a a media empire dirty mode right. Yes and he's got a a a series of San Jose that clubs and restaurants. I know of some in the Charlotte Airport. Of course. Yeah and other places. Look at the overall picture how much these guys I have done John. The dragon beyond their father to be honest and I think they stabbed themselves as successful NASCAR our personalities Steve Cow Petty is not Richard Petty Dale Earnhardt. Jr. Is Not del Senior Man. The thing is isn't that kind of the point isn't at that. What made Richard In del? Senior Great was the fact that nobody would ever be able to duplicate what they were able to. You're right you're right. But the point being they defend you on would assume that Kyle and Dale Jr. were incomplete. Because they could not match their fathers on the track. That would be a a serious mistake. They have become their own men. Yes and very versatile at highly successful at what they have done something that call said really really did strike me. He said that a lot of people follow Richard Petty Basically on the basis of his reputation because a lot of his biggest successes took place before television. The vision came along through all of his championships. Were won before the nineteen seventy-nine Daytona five hundred except for the the nineteen seventy nine championship. That he want what one hundred and ninety some odd of his wins came before. TV was a big thing week-to-week that was actually a very good good point. Steve when I got to thinking about it I personally have never witnessed Richard Petty finished in the top ten much last winter race. Well I have college right in the sense of you. Look at what. Richardson accomplishments were year. After year in racing and then considering his personality so that transcended transcended the sport to the point where people who didn't know anything about NASCAR had definitely heard of Richard Petty. It's like people never follow baseball ball. They share is headquartered Mickey Mantle. Okay I mean it was Babe Ruth Right. That's right so that type of Guy Athlete. Richard was in that has accomplishment transcended ascended sport and people knew who he was and when they bothered to take an interest in Nascar the first thing they wanted to see or the first person they wanted to hope the meat or the first person they were going to cheer for was Richard Petty Follow Bronchail on Instagram and twitter at speedway screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J DOT Oetzi Dot Dot Com Steve last week. Brian actually posted some cow. Patty shirts he also posted. Some John. Andretti shirt so he can hagan absolutely get you hooked up with what you want to wear to show your support for your favorite driver so again. Follow Brian Caleb on Instagram and twitter at speedway away screens and check out his inventory at speedway T S J dot oetzi Dot Com. Jamie can you remember the first time that you and John Matt was working with him at Kale. Jabre Motor sports the the first time that you had made him no. The first time I met John was in Nineteen ninety-four standing on pit road for qualifying for the world. Six hundred His car was behind my car and I just walked back to him and I said when you win the race when you win the indy. Five hundred are you going to stay. Hey for victory lane and he said you bet I am and Y- that was the first year he did the double. That was the first time anybody's done the double right and yeah and that really put Nascar on the map because this man was doing both races it was great publicity for Nascar and it was he. He wound up finishing tenth. and Andy. Five hundred which I thought was phenomenal but I think he. He broke in six hundred finished in like thirty six or something but the but I'll never forget him. I will go to Victory Lane because I I think truly John wanted to win the Indianapolis five hundred probably more than the Daytona Donna. Five hundred or any of them because that was his background. You and I were talking before we started recording in you trying to remember when John Actually actually came on board at Kiara Motor sports and I think we kind of figured it out that hey and Jeremy Kinda swapped places in September of Nineteen Ninety six. What do you remember about that move? Well I remember that We the most of the guys on the team were really Jeremy Mayfield guys. We Love Jeremy and and when they start talking about John Coming over there were a few of us that we weren't very happy about it and Kale basically told oldest if John's GonNa be our driver and if you don't you don't get on board. Don't turn right onto Dixie river road anymore We weren't running well we. We had a good sponsor. RCA change need to be made and When Jeremy went to coronas and John came to us us like I say there was a few of us? That weren't thrilled with it. Because Andretti we had the big misconception exception of Andretti coming to drive for us and but it didn't take long to really fall in love and you know John and Nancy and the kids Ed's and We we had a really good relationship. John gave us the spark we needed. But we started having some good runs after that and our speedway program was phenomenal. We always knew we had a shot with John At speedways which John Good driver all the way round. You do good at the road courses and the Martinsville Martinsville and Intermediate tracks and speedway's you mentioned the fact that some of the crew guys weren't exactly on board when the switch was made. What had you heard about John? Well I mean Jonah just throwing up a lot of race cars in the past and And I'm not going to say I can't speak for any for all of the guys. I mean there were only like twenty something. Guys that worked at Kale Yarborough motorsports. At that time. There were a few of us that were apprehensive about it. But again I I mean take nothing away from Johnny I guess it was just a misconception that we had was there a specific point or a specific race where you said. Did you know what I think this might work out after all with John Or was that something that just evolved over it evolved over time I can't tell you exactly. When it was uh-huh the good the feedback he could give? Tony for was phenomenal Love the motor program with Bob Fisher and Tony Santana Cola so We knew that we had something Something good you know we went to Daytona to to test and he was extremely fast So so it just evolved over time No one was going to be a good race car driver. Four Kelly Oubre motorsports tell me about his personality. Who was he in the Hauler He's a great guy he Very dry sense of humor If you ask him a question is usually yester- No But away from the race track as a super guy and proud to call him a friend and we still sent Christmas cards stage other until to date till today. What's your best? John Andretti story that you can share my best. John Andretti store about who he was there. I mean there's so like many of them and There was nothing ever bad because he was always a good family man I will say this about his sense of humor. I guess we race in Texas the inaugural Texas race and they didn't have the infrastructure built to bring us all down there so we decided that we were going to stay after after the race until traffic cleared out so we stayed at in John. Motorhome did really well. We didn't spend a night probably midnight and went to the airport and flew home and one of my buddies Jamie Thompson. He he just looked at him and say man. You GotTa Really Nice Camper Camper. John Corrected Him and said That's a motor coach. But that was just a sense of humor home just a super guy and he would. He would make sure you were that the team was taken care of. He would come to the to come to the shop. Take the Gospel to lunch When we were fortunate enough to win in Daytona send us all a bonus out of his personal account Just just a super guy with the android name name and you work in for Kelly are motor sports. You've got to pretty high profile names on this team. Did you get to spend any time with the other Andrey family members burst Aldo. His John's father Mario's twin brother. He would come to the racist with this and It was it was a hoot to hang out with him and John also brought another guy carry. Agile Hainian I probably mispronounced his name but carries dad JC on the nineteen nineteen fifty two winning car for the indy. Five hundred with Troy ruttman allow as well as nineteen sixty three with Parnelli Jones. So that was really really nice to hang out with Kerry and John John Kerry were big buddies and it was always nice to be with those those guys so you go into the nineteen ninety. Seven season preseason testing. We were the fastest down there. really felt like he would win a race I remember mark. Gero was a young reporter at the time he came up and he asked me. He said how are you. How are you guys doing this? somewhere in the early part of the week and I said we're GONNA win a race. I know that was wishful thinking on my apart but We we we start a race. We run we run and really well and five hundred and John says a a broken axle so he goes to the twenty th tells him to go to the garage well as he turned into the garage by the old good you're building building. Daytona Tony Santana Cola. Spotter and engine builder. He goes but you got a flat rear tire. You don't have a broken axle well half of the room. Isn't there pulling the toolbox back to the garage and three quarters of them are down there and there's about about four of us in the pits John Circles or back and comes back to see it in four of us change the tire and uh-huh Jack the car and gas and all this and John Tears out and goes out in any breaks the actual stay site together but we were we were lab down or yellow comes out. Nascar tells us that we could see it. With the leaders it was a quickie yellow and and we put with the leaders will then NASCAR hoses the lap. But John was fast and so we were that point two laps down and that's probably probably where we remained for the rest of the day. So we go tolliday and you know we finished. I think third or fourth sat on pole. Oh finished third or fourth go back to Daytona more qualified third race starts. He's he takes the lead really early running really well and before that race. Tony told me he says you're too conservative on your gas numbers. Because I was doing the gas mileage I wound up running out of gas while it. You really yeah. He ran out of gas. He coasts in and he's fuming but he takes it goes he's back out and he said that's all right guys. I'll get it back so I knew we had we fast. And he actually went out on Apron and turns three and four to pass Rusty Wallace Wallace for the lead. And I just knew that Mama steak was going to cost us because I figured he'd rick. I thought my mistake would cost us. But you know he got up there and he You know wound up. Let one hundred thirteen hundred sixty laps and Went to victory lane for the for the first time in his career career and the first and only time for Kale Yarborough motorsports one of the most outstanding quotes I ever heard about winning at Daytona. Derek Coach said that he can actually steal feel the warmth of the sun on his face in Victory Lane. Can you still feel the warmth of this on that day. That was a lot of warm. I'm from sign because the last time they ran the day race for the Pepsi. Four hundred five cracker four hundred But yes I can still feel it I can walk doc down pit road and I can feel how felt that day. I can remember. They had a big roof down all the way down pit road and we were standing on the pit wall when and When he won the race and holding onto that roof and we all jumped off and hugged as a as a group That that was that was a good feeling but it was even better feeling to outrun. Dale Earnhardt There was a big wreck with about five laps to go and NASCAR did everything in their power to clean that wreck up and have a green flag finish. And so they through the green and white at the same time A one lap shootout and Tony for came on radio and told he says you know what you gotTa do and I was shaking like a leaf and and I told the Guy I was huddled up with Jamie Thompson. And I said he'll records earnhardt records uh-huh so we brought him down for the restart and John Break. Check Darn Heart. He slowed down to a snail's pace and he he hit the brakes. EARNHARDT hit him. John took off comes back around. We win a race. There's a gigantic crash on the backstretch. earnhardt wound up about four. Thank thank Lebron was second starling was third in the Kodak car and and aren't heart was fuming. But that's what I remember about about winning that race and it was the victory lane and you know everybody talks about Dale Earnhardt. Every all the crew's coming out and congratulate and Dale earnhardt earnhardt but not a lot of people remembered that the first time that happened was every crew came out and congratulated John Andretti. It took John Forever to get victory lane. Because every guy lined up to Ha- five John and I remember run into Victory Lane and I'm sitting there I didn't you know what to do. Ran Back out for John ran back in behind the car. And we're in victory lane. Nascar Jimmy Cox. I'll never I forget is pulling on the rear spoiler. Let's go to inspection and Kale turned around and says where you got to be the beach and We wound up get into enjoy victory line for a little while and then we left before the champagne was John had to spray the champagne on the fans that were up against the chain link fence chance for victory lying because we had all left. We didn't know what to do and You know the last time I was on a winning team in Talladega and two thousand seventeen I think that they they were cleaning up victory lane when I finally left. So did they beat you. They victim Richard Lying and Chris carrier boys over there going through tech and and I was still in there soaking it up. Yeah but but you always how you know you always remember your victory lanes and I can still feel the sun on my face just like Derek said Jamie as so often happens in the motorsports community you wind up going. Your separate ways and John goes off to drive for petty enterprises and everything but you remained in touch. You evidently still got a a Christmas card right. John Nazi and the children would always send a Christmas card Always looked forward to that. Every year I was a little bit concerned this year when it became Thanksgiving card and it came early November Deep down. I felt like Tom Short for John. And that was an indication caisson to me but I was hoping beyond hope that that was not the case but But Yeah John and I would stay in touch. We would see each other racetrack I went to an indycar race in Milwaukee one time and was down there with him in the in the garage and we would talk and It's it's funny. We all had a ring made for winning the four four hundred and some of US wanted a trophy. Some people wanted to rink and years later I I emailed John Said who made that Trophy Affi so he may call me up and told me who made it and where to order and all that which I never did but he would always ask me. What do you ever get the Pepsi? Four hundred and I did not John but but we always kept up and just super down to Earth a great great Guy Jamie. What would you like for people to remember about? John Andretti other than just a super family man. He was driver. I mean he drove everything and he won about everything. He Indy. Cars you know. NHRA NASCAR EMC. He he could he could do it and Just because he had AH Andretti name did not That didn't that didn't mean a whole lot to him as far as his credentials but what he did on the race track wreck you could tell he had. The Mario Andretti N.. Him I just want people to remember he was he was just a stand up guy. Hey this is Buckshot Jones. And you're you're listening to the same boat podcast Richt payback's a bitch buckshot. Shot no Steve. You're going to be in Daytona next week. So that meant that I needed to line up somebody as a CO host. Oh no I'm. I'm not sure the world is ready for this. Tony Rambo LIBERATI TAB is going to be our co host next week. Yeah this is Steve. 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Ep. 205: David Hoots

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Ep. 205: David Hoots

"With the NFL playoffs. Just around. The corner now is the time to subscribe to Rutta World Football podcast every Monday morning. Recap every game from the weekend. Tuesday help you on waiver pickups cups then go to game and Matra previews on Thursday and Friday so download the railroad football podcast right now. Hi It's neat so just some background on. This episode was taped on October. Twenty twenty four th two thousand nineteen. That was the Thursday before Martinsville speedway race weekend for the most part. It's not that dated but we do make a few references. A two at what point in the season were at so. Just keep that in. Mind as you're listening and then the second thing is this was taped at the world famous big Oak Table at our NBC Sports Charlotte Office which is adjacent to try on Street in Charlotte and the windows that face that street or directly above the big Oak table and so there's a lot of ambient noise that can be heard throughout the taping. Tryon street can be quite a busy thoroughfare in late afternoon afternoon early evening. which is the timeframe for this episode being taped we did pick up quite a bit of ambient noise at times? So hopefully that wasn't too distracting from this conversation. which happens to be with someone who actually made quite a name for himself by constantly talking over the dean of race cars at two hundred miles an in our so nevertheless enjoy a welcome to the NASCAR? ABC podcast. I'm your host Nate Ryan here at our NBC Sports Charlotte Studios we just wrapped up NASCAR SCAR American motor mouths and one of our guests. Today was David Hoots. Who is a legend in the NASCAR? Officiating World David. David thanks for being here me alleged to be this is the second time you've been on Nascar America and wanted to have you on the podcast as well to talk a little about what you're doing now you called your last aspiration Nascar the twenty thousand nine Daytona five hundred since then. I know you've been doing a lot of work. On the sides business of your own working potentially doing some consulting with race teams on her. You're also working with some rule books and some series. Tell us about what you're doing now. Well the one project started completely one working on others working working with series and taking a different set of eyes in reading the rules. It's interesting that sometimes it's it's like you can't see the forest for the trees and when you read it if you read their rulebook and you'd read it literally than you would read it grammatically and I'm not a grammatical expert by no means but is this what you're really trying to say. And then apply your knowledge and experience with high I race is operated or officiated and try to clean it up and then at the same time. Take your experience. And look for the LUPO was competitor's would look for so you would go through it and read it that way two or three times then you make recommendations and then at that point I let the series decide add. Is this the direction they wanna go or is it a direction over here. They won't go and again. It's just take another set. Is that As you're I'm reading it you really don't know what their whole direction or hurt. Their you know their goal is to run a race but how they're wanting to run the race and is it explained because it's the single source of information that everything that's done around race is evolving around so trying take it and apply that experience to it and is this really what you're wanting to say and it's the best is the best way to say it or have you experienced searched for saying another way may be better and you offer that suggestion then you go through it and and work on it and try to try to consolidate I. I think one of the things that I've learned over time. People have a tendency to over explain. And sometimes it's just a lot more clear and crisper with less words not take them down past that they don't want to let them understand. What do you so trying to plow that and put it together in a package? Remember that okay. This is what you're saying over here and five pages next. You're contradicting yourself. So let's clear up. We want to just where do we want to do it this way. So there's continuity through do it hallway where do you think in terms of rulebook language that auto racing series get themselves in the most trouble with too many words or having confusing contradictory language. Sometimes sometimes just in the style of the writing it needs to be written. I would say take out the legalese. There's words some people use. They're very descriptive but they don't have to be where you need to open up a dictionary and review what the word means a better word is it is a simple not saying anybody. That's out there that's reading it. It's it's is simple minded but the rule book may have to be applied and certain areas in the back garage of a lower series at eleven o'clock at night the inspector or the official doesn't need to have to try to explain what it made. Its it needs to be simple enough that the competitor can understand what the rule is instead of a bunch of garbage. How many series have you been working with? I've I've been working on this the way the second one I've reached out to some different groups to see if they're interested some series is haven't wound up the season. Some seasons are some series half and she don't know when that when their season ends up what's their Tamla Hamlin. Is it a printed book as own line book. If it's a printed book you have to have a bigger lead and it may be by the time. I reached out to him this year. They've already started process signatures rulebook. Well there's always opportunity next year or read it in the start of the season. Sit there and say. Have you thought about this this and this us and if you can't it's not try to say this is right or wrong have you considered Diaz and is better way to say. Are you concerned. Mostly David with just last race procedures in the technical side of the cars and how they're I'm far far more experienced with the race procedure. Right over the the years I started out as an inspector and worked my way up and as you work your way up the short tracks you had to know the inspection part part of it but as you were migrating over to the management of the race you started learning more and more on the procedure side and have watched over over the years in my career at at Nascar for forty six years. How that has evolved? It was. We found a copy of one of the I wrote. It was four pages and the race procedure was probably less than that it. It it describe just the flag rules because the flag rules is back in when racing I started was the only communications that the officials to the competitor. Right have radios half caution lights. You just sit there and the flag was telling the driver what he could do what he couldn't do and it's above and as as the race has involved. The rules have had to expand Dan sometimes One of the things that I I mean experiencing now is that you feel like it's being over officiated with all these little rules. Aw that are put into it and it shouldn't be the competitor doesn't understand and then there's miss applications or they think this is the rule or or this or this is the way the rule is applied at dish track. And not here. So there's this element of confusion in there. I don't think anybody intends to do but it migrates out to the garage in in that In that way you need to try to clean that up on one of the easiest ways is to simplify the rules. The other the thing like in the short track world. The Rue may be addressed in the driver's meat and never addressed in the written word so when the new competitor shows up is he aware of all the rules that are in place and the likelihood is no no. He's not if you can put it out in a simple form in some type of documented deal you know we're we're going away from paper and online stuff and be able to read review it it and its simplified. It'll make it a lot better for the for the competitor and it also makes it a lot more fun for the for the spectator Taylor who as you elevate your way up there you'll see more rules and more rules and more rules and it's because the rules have been written due to situations. Aw and trying to go down that path in in lower series is probably not the wisest things you're writing a rule and you're trying to explain it for one and a five hundred opportunity for to happen short tracks very many very few of race live under a yellow flag. They don't have live pitstops so you don't have to have all the the mechanics that that NASCAR employees on pitstops ops pit road procedures and whatever Just layer upon layer of complexity element. Does that help the race. Now in in those NASCAR NASCAR series. It's important because it's protecting one competitor from taking advantage of another but it seems like also as you as you though Oh the yellow and you pack the competitors up. There's as much competition right there because the race never stops and that's one of the things that's unique about race. It doesn't have a stop it just slows down onto the caution but everybody still advancing to the end goal. which is you're finished position and still can gain and lose so so it's a totally different animal? The any of the type of competition baseball. You have a natural stoppage football basketball and other the other other kind of thing that unique about race is that there's forty competitors or the starting in racing against each other. Were all other sports for the most part is one team against another team or one competitor against another competitor evening football because he had the offense the defense. It's still one on one it's is not multiples against multiples in and then the other part of it is most Stick and ball sports. The field old are the playing field is the same. It doesn't change every week you can you can have. You can have a muddy field or you can have a dry field or a fast west Enfield or a slow infield but both are week-to-week as the different tours go to different tracks. They present challenges with which a lot. The town for address ballrooms. Yeah I think that gets missed a lot. I mean obviously baseball stadiums. That dimensions are different. In terms of how far the walls general shape is the same whereas you can go to amount half track or short-track of course everything is different ended. It all plays into it because in not just the outside of outside sidewalls in the outfield but the foul territory on both sides. It's some places. The catcher takes two steps and he's terminent tumbled over a fence and the next thing I think he's got a forty acre field to catch a fly ball so it's those things they're important and they're addressing ground rule meetings with the referees threes in the managers but erase. This is moving week to week to week. Different different venues. The rules that you race under at Talladega are completely different. Almost complete either. But I'm not allowed borough political tomorrow or vice versa and the car's not the same so there's no yellow line rule as we speak here the race this weekend at margin no yellow thankfully so you hit on something that I think is interesting David in the amount of rules that especially like the major league erasing series have and I feel like this is a discussion. It's come up more and more last few years where you hear it from not just cup but indy-car f. one. They're developing hoping lots of rules to govern how these races are officiated is somewhat of a byproduct of as you go up the ladder. Two major league racing series that you're going to have have more sophistication better teams and they're just going to be better at sort of finding loopholes and finding ways that you need to develop rules to like keep them in a certain box Fox that is legitimate for competitive integrity. I think it is definitely a by product of it If you go back into the early nineties the clothes into the pit road established it was done. Just be able to manage the race. Put the caution car in the fright position in front. The leader that was that was the reason for the by product of it was though all of a sudden it allowed a lap for the cars to catch up and get nose to tail L. to come on pit road and beforehand. It hadn't been it hasn't been that way because you could turn down bit road. At any point. There was a risk versus reward. If if you could pit early get back out and have to wait for it to secrets through. You could gain track physician when you close the pit road. The BIPARTI was is that you shifted the ability not to gain spots a lot easier pit road by the speed of the crew the second compounding factor was when you had a major accident and a fatality on pit road you had incorporate more rules. You had to hidden box because at that time you had a way to manage the speed. We it was it was it was a manual calculation with a stop watch but it wasn't very active so the rule was you had to pit within the box that ruled still there. It was to make the driver half the car under control. We pulled into the box. There was. There's there's been games ship on pit road from the first time he ever came on. Compare where you would leave a tire or were you leave the Jack Everyone. Precipitated created another room that somebody had to manage NASCAR's S. Kars gone through this evolution this year of the control tower that uncontrolled tires been there for years and trying to manage it in a black black and white illustration is. Har- it it. It's it's still has subjective nature to it but I think right now it is as it's managed as well as it can be but it's not black and white and it never will be black and white you have to to me. You have to let the referees have some discretion on on how they're calling it when I when I started working my way up. I felt like every rule. I'll be blacula ever rule ought to be black and white and now I would sit there and say no. It's it's it can't be black and white you've got to trust the people that you put in charge and give them the authority to make judgement calls and they will second guess themselves to the cows come home they they they they wanna be right but if you if you took the famous survey forty nine and a half percent say they're right forty nine and a half percent so the so the official is working at one percent opportunity. He's sitting there on the fence. He's he's kind of damned if he doing. He's damned if he doesn't but he's got to make a call and let's live with it and move on and a lot of times. The Court of public opinion is more to you. Hurt my favorite driver. But you didn't help my favorite and as you're as you're going through the penalty process process. You can't turn your back on a penalty and in the calls if a a violations there and you don't call your penalizing the rest better if there's a pounding you call it you penalize the guy that created the violation. Somebody's GonNa win and somebody's going to lose. So you're better off Colin all your violations. The point being is that there's no way you're GONNA get consensus of opinion every time it's just not there and and you can look at something you can look at the visual optics Thank you go back to New Hampshire this year where it didn't look like when in Forget the car that came on up but it was right to the rule but the optics for term but the rule had been adjusted a couple years prior people. Watch that illustrates great. Well this was the rule five or six years ago. Well that's wrong but it was what it was five or six years ago. Now it's this is what the rules so have it in way that is simplified in numbers that you don't have as many rules as you have and other things make them as crystal-clear hen is is is to officiate as you can Talladega with its position at the start. Finish line is a good place to try to apply room and see if it works. Because the way you're counting the lap to the start finish line. It really challenge a time penalty or lap penalty. Because you're before you get there so the thing you just mentioned about new Hampshire that was Eric Jones had pitted and the controversy around it. Even the team wasn't sure if he was going to get penalized because essentially like it was one of those this he had faked going in and the commitment line rule had changed years. And there's been a lot of instances like that over the last ten or fifteen services over the years and night. That's one of the reasons. I think there's opportunity there to help the race. Teams go through these rules. And and and even though the the rules are put in the rule book and they're highlighted or what's changed if you don't go back and read the rule or for the way to help your memory if you've got some kind of story to go with it it'll it'll ingrained in your mind to how the rule works if it's well this is what the rule lose it. You don't take it as her and and having watched a lot of these rules being developed over years and how it happened in knowing the back story when you share that that makes perfect sense. While you're doing tally. So if you can if you can explain the rule and apply the methodology behind minded. You can help the team and it's to me the the way. The teams are in the competition. One saved violation during the race race because each positions could be forty forty points. I did a analytical study of last year's violations the championship organization had twenty two violations which is over thirty six races in in three cars is. There's really nothing this lagaras number twenty two. I say orders H I did it by pentecostal work and they you know so joy one but used a used that is as the the difference. I looked at another team that has championship contenders this here. That had seventy eight seventy eight times at an average of thirty. How many more passes did they make to have to get to those points with some of do you can't? You can't educate him to stay out of the penalty pitting early if you have a damaged vehicle and you're coming with the flat tax stuff like I. I can't eating. He gets extent speeding. Speeding is one that if somebody was educating the driver I think and a manner you would educate them wins. Is it time to apply at risk to try to gain rewards right and when is it not because tells the worst you WanNa do probably is to positions but if you lose you're GONNA go back fifteen or twenty whatever's in the lead lap so educate them adjusting the digital readouts to give them a little bit more and then the other part of some people you just can't help they'll get caught up in it but those kinds of penalties. You're going to encourage them. I can't teach you other ones. You can avoid them or you can. You can sit there and begins to manage them better. Go back to Atlanta this year when the caution came out during the round greenbacks. Let's use llegado getting if he realizes that the wheels was loose he could have came in owned the next yellow in in lined up one position behind but his goal was to restart on the outside. Because it's such an advantage vantage at Atlanta on the inside row. That was the goal that was the focus. Anita get out. I'M GONNA lineup restart on the front on the outside. I'm I'm Dr Love and you will. But he could he have come back. Gave two positions. How many points did you just gain? He might not have won the race. But how many points we have gained and other than taking the unscheduled pit stop later the same token with a withdrew his car. He's own pit road could he have drove through came out and bid at the end the laugh instead of getting our lap down and having sort of the back. You don't know it. But at that point if if the spotter his educated and skilled and the crew chief has entrusted him to be able to make that split second call or crew chief because true chief. A few is therapy their tear you. Hey you you make oh from finishing tint to steal an erase all above board but you have have to know how it's all applied the the other part of you. I think I can help as you walk through the mechanics of how things are done. Why does it take so along for this cost kilo? This information is being fade into whether it's coming in from the attorney spotter coming into the fire truck and it's being relate aid to the emergency services director and he's telling the race director. There's something over there or the TV camera pans or you actually see you. Don't the time lapse from when it's d'oeuvres to get it to the person that's making this person or persons is reconciliation. It doesn't matter. Yeah so this is what you've been doing this this research and offering to console teams and help them like that. That's advocating the watts. Who Will Book and again I? I'm glad you brought this New Hampshire example. Because I did. I talked to Eric Jones chief. Chris Gayle that day about it. And you know you talk about that difference between Kim. The positions make a difference. I mean he finished third that day And what happened. There was NASCAR had changed the rule. Where in the past they can have to tyrus below and they had to pit? Where and and NASCAR? I changed the rule where only drivers with four tires below the line had to enter the pits so Jones had gone over the box with his left side tires below and the the team and him both the thought he'd screwed up and then realized no we hadn't so he ends up finishing third. I put him in a really good points position down. The stretch helped him win at Darlington. Make the playoffs and all because has or in this case they didn't really know the rules probably situations like that you're talking about that can make a big difference. It make a big difference. The second thing is played at laugh. Laugh out now. They're not sure so. You have stopped. The thought process owned the pit box. Do I pit or do not it. Okay I'll wait another lap and three more hit that are in the lead lap now. We'll start back even further because the race hasn't stopped. The concept also. Goes along the same lines if you watch major league teams in baseball football. I'm sure somebody's paying somebody to come in and explain it in. Welcome through the rules. Whether it's the league whether it's Major League Baseball I note occurs in college football. Especially in the in the scrimmage games that the referees will come in and talk to them this this room is different. This is how we've all agreed that we're going to call holding or or whatever. The penalty is We we won't go down pass. Interference S. seems to be a whole nother different topic but again the player and the coach understanding. It helps because they're making real split real time decisions visions based on that. There may be that that outlaw rule that quirky rule some kind of kickoff for punt on the kickoff that you if you did this you got a free kick or what I mean the free kick rules in football. I haven't kept up football but if you do this you can kick a field goal. I not recently it was the panthers. Yes yes they didn't know it was some sort of situation. Where the punter something and Ron Rivera new? Hey I can have my guy attempt a field goal from this spot spot with just a freak. Basically that's three points that may that's the winter the the difference of winning losing knowing those roofs this. This is what I have been working on. This is what I'm continue work on with the goal hopefully to have it up completely running and being able to communicate with the teams before next season and see if there's any interest in if if they feel like they have a good handle on it fine. I got a feeling though. They won't have the the knowledge of the experience overcome because it seems like it's a younger group coming in. There's a bunch of very smart engineers making decisions they can analyze. I analyse stuff but if they haven't seen it to ingrain in again they're looking at a bunch of computer monitors and they go back on Monday mornings and I'll go back so your days at Nascar you'd be called on your vk. Can you help me through how this happened. We're looking at our data and sometimes the data data is correct but they're applying the wrong application of what it's telling them and they're seeing can you. Can you explain it to me so I think there's a big benefit there I would. I would go. Safar say they would probably be race directors at lower levels. That could help them. Instead of. This is the rue aw hey you understand but the understand. What's behind the room while it's done so it's it's like let's take it a level deeper and see what you can do? All that context helps. So you're very much. It sounds like an early days in this process so cup teams expanded teams truck teams any team. That would wanNA help any team. How also looked not like lower levels with? I don't know I don't offend anybody but let let's say there. Some series is that have rental cars ours and they get the sponsoring father or family or company to come in and rent the car for the weekend. Are they going to try to invest all. They can't into helping that driver his best finish or they sitting there saying uh. Let's hope that vehicle is put back on the trailer and we don't have more work to do and my guess is they're not giving him the absolute. Aw best consultation they can. I don't think it's done deliberately. But that would be there in here. Here's Joe crew chief. This is the first time I've seen San Antonio showed up to shop and we were fitting for the seat and let's get all of it. He's he's mechanically worried about it but the finish physician is really engaged now. The the next level's up. I think it's no question. They're trying to have the best finished but too often kind of see that in in the in the back half so we talked about the the number of rules and that being I think a hot topic often throughout seasons now. Is there anything that could be done. Do you think less than the rules rules. BE AT NASCAR INDYCAR. Any I mean. Is there any guiding principle that you can see that maybe if they were to overhaul a rulebook like here's what you you should do to to strike out some you. Can you can suggest some things but again you gotta think the sanctioning body has to take a look at. What's their angle and eh they don't feel this change is beneficial? They will leave it as I'm sure that over the years I've suggested things to NASS CAR DR. That hadn't been implemented. I think my personal opinion it would it would make it would improve the product. But it's not my decision. My input is. Here's here's my suggestion. You can take a look at it and at the end of the day. You're managing it. I'm just trying to give you advice Pinon Roebuck. You said you found that was four pages without have been the forties or fifties. I WANNA say it was the fifties early fifties early fifties and it was uh very simple very simple. It didn't have no black. Flag would wipe crawls it didn't have anything about stages ages or or freezing the field or are these things it was it was go. Brain turn left comeback which which at the end of the day is what race should really be about two two or three people competing and trying to pass each other again. You've you've got all these parameters unders you're dealing with and all these different stakeholders in the things it affects. Does it help you to go back. And look you said when you sit down with these teams and show them. Here's why this through existing here's what the actual context when you look back. Historically does it help to see how things evolve I mean. Do you ever go back. And look at rule. Books not just fifties or whatever other decades isn't say let's let's figure out the the progression of why we're doing it this way officiating. I've got a collection of all the printed ruled that I had over the years because it was part of of Your membership yeah which takes me back to seventy three and it went from a little it would fit in your back pocket but it would barely hanging out to fit in your back pocket. It was about three eighths inch thick. It half of it would fit in your back pocket and hang out and it went from a handful of pages and it just kept growing but To the defense what's going on. Everything kept getting more sophisticated and had to be detailed in greater detail. I think one of the things that that NASCAR'S NASCAR's doing now You're you're still having to write a written ru. But the USA cad drawings has has evolved I just I think back though of the of the day of the mechanic and some of them were extremely smart. I don't know that smoking unique was given even enough credit because a lot of his information was reading airplane research stuff and applying those kinds of scope so did smoke Heaven Engineering Krino but he was smart enough to read it. Then you look at the next guy and I can't name comes to mind but I do know that there was mechanics antics. That could not read and write but if you sit there and said hey nate what branch dot org if you rest what range dining go over and get a nine sixteenths boxy Dan and and get this and you can take that apart or he would lay up under the car at night and this is where the innovation has been lost and figure out bump steer angles and geometry that he named know what geometry meant he just knew what these two tires for doing and what they were doing when they turn turned in how could he do. It could take. It overheated up bended and repositioning make it work and did it last that innovation I think is somewhat lost. It's even more so now because nobody's taking a part that was from a stock car. It's all specialized part so that innovations gone. I don't know the engineers sitting there doing the same thing the way he's doing he's doing cadrone. These tournament printing them in a plastic. Three D. Printer looking at it so he can touch and feel it but it's not the same and then with that same thought you lost all these characters that racing the head if you if you went back and look at the great engine. Builders there was there was twenty out and now it's three companies three or four companies. Aw and you use a reporter you go talk to this guy or you. You would talk to Dale Senior. Spanish built this great engine down here in the shop name name. He leads by whatever they need here. Robert Gates had been over here grand in for three days up in Kenya shop when he was up there. And it's it's like yeah. All that's goal. Well Yeah so you've lost these characters or somebody out to sit down and record everything that Leonard would ever says. I mean that is that is a Bible eight Z. A.. Hey you got from here to here. There's all this tribal knowledge there that needs to be like you said like smokey scenic didn't have computer animated drawings but he had his own versions of laptops in engineering simulation. It's like you said it was but he could have been on a dirt four four. Yeah or or in Leonard's case what what is it Is it a birch tree the birch tree out in the yard that still there that they were they would work onto the car or you or oh you would remember back when it was a straight axle you would heat the acts love Hook it to a chain and try to bend the axle. It's just as crude is whatever but that's the way it was has done back in the day you look back and I grew up a Glenwood Fan. They were smart enough that they moved the seat back for the white transfer Glenn was never a large man. He was probably one hundred and forty pounds dripping wet but they knew that if they put the weight on the left rear tire that was the drive tire coming off turn it was straight. Asa Car of the cargo through the the Left Front would lift and it would never touch the surface going around the turn so the right front was doing all the work but it was. It was all school or the woods for were very instrumental. Understanding Tire Stagger with with Pearson and that heyday. And it's a simple. It'll take a styrofoam pop and watch what it does when it rolls knowing that succumbs now you're measuring you're you're not missing sconces much year. The spring rates of the sidewalls with a with a tenth of pounds of pressure is does that make for good. Yeah it makes for good racing. But it's it's so how is there any way to recapture sure that innovation that you're talking about as NASCAR's obviously is moving toward a more SPEC type series with this next Gen car. Is there a way to keep some stuff. You're talking doc. You would hope so. But what they'll say. And how do you unring a bail or take a bite provided backing. You can't untrainable the direction that it looks like. They're hidden. I think in one hand. You don't want more inspection but as you bring it closer and closer together to keep the playing plainfield. Even you're GONNA have to have it because you have forty NASCAR inspectors. Helms say competing is not the weren't trying to work but they're trying to keep corralled two hundred engineers. Bright in each engineer has twenty five crew members always outnumbered always outnumbered number two. They're totally outnumbered. It's it's it's like probably the Pinski group with their engineering and probably Stewart Haas. They have a large injury. Sources of engineers and even more so in Stewart Haas with the F.. One on at the engineer. Find something here on the F one car and he's in charge wheels somehow or another. It's going to go over to the cubicle to the next engineer or vice versa. or He's he's just totally focusing on wheels or gidgets religious. So that evolutions go to come when you're when you're measuring something to thousands back in the day when when coach Les Richter had me go do Iraq races i. I went to Michigan one day and it's drizzling. Not Walking around the garage. They're looking at the first time I'd been at Indycar race. They had a platform with a domino effect. And it had rifle cases with micrometres in. Mike's meason the the frame rail heights and this is not a good sign. I was still used to watching the guy pulled out a tape. Measure and a little thin tape and do the circumference of the tires and and the white for probably calculated feed meal scales and now everybody's got these platforms. They do this and their Mike prompter net and yes. They're taking it to them to the NANU inch his. It really improved probably. Yeah Yeah. That's that's a big question. I think a lot of people have to ask. I think there's some of them a lot of people scratching generic about it so you spent thirty one years in the Tower David Thirty Years in the tower eighty eight to nineteen. Yeah Yeah thirty. Yeah Yeah So. How involved were you on the rule side? Obviously everybody knows your voice on the radio and how familiar you were there the word of God when Cam to educating the flow of the races but the rulebook side. Maybe we didn't know about that as much what were you involved with as they may changes procedures intimately with everything they did there. Why tailed asked me to join Nascar? fulltime and I was still driving the ups truck and I needed to get to a certain couple of certain plateaus as far as the benefits retirement stuff but being at ups for twenty some twenty seven years ahead of Breath Bank of days off and as we started adding rules we would start scaling working on everybody. That's it's using the computer now knows the term of cut and paste. We were there with mimeographed sheets back in the day. Cutting out two lines off off one and pasted it in there because you had the now xfinity series and now monster energy were being written by two different directors. The end result was that you probably got there. It was hat was saying you didn't get there so it's like you're reading to different rules now. The end result and so we started working on consolidating. That and simple finding so. If you're saying it over here against again for the continuity for everybody we started work on. This was back in the early nineties that we would schedule a couple of days as and you'd go down to Daytona all site somewhere and work on and we would get locked in in a room And work on on the roofs and it was sticky notes tape paste before you had computers. A vivid memory of the rule book meeting was we were in Richmond but the rich and raise when the nine eleven tragedy happened and one of the girls from the office called me. Are you watching the TV. No what's happening. A plane just crashed in the World Trade Center so we stopped taking breaks. What's going on the next one? Crashes but we were there we worked on it the next day and then some some of them left and went back to Daytona. We stayed extra and said okay. We're going to. We're going to drive breath by this time. They've grounded all therefore we're going to try to New Hampshire so group office right up We leave Richmond we get about to scranton spend the night scranton drive and get within our of New Hampshire racist been off so instead of having some of the dental sees that you have out of New Hampshire. I'm sure with the with the the lobsters. Whatever or sitting there eating lunch at the Wendy's turn around and drive back to Scranton at the same motel? We just checked Out about twelve hours ago then came on the Dick State but that evolved and they would be sessions that you sit there one of them. It was quite boring but you had to describe all the bars of the cage. A BAR B Bar. I mean this is a lot a fun and everyone of you'd have to you'd have to right. It's got a convex shape and it's made out. FCS Industry Standard Ninety Right Three forty-seven Bluetooth whatever whatever medal. And then you'd go to the next McCall's the bars were not named. And you were getting different pilot Salman mm-hmm and whatever to to standardize so some of them were were quite intense. Some of them redundant and painful. But you also could talk about things that would happen during the course you'd take your rulebook and you'd make a note. We need to work on this or we need to work on that. And then you you would work on it. Then you'd move forward in. Some major procedure would change Aka like racing back to the flag black. So we have the race again New Hampshire. We make the decision to go down the road of freezing the field were sitting there. John Darby that Adorn D. Center at a couple of others. Can we put this procedure together and Friday Eddie. We rolled it out at dove shooting from the hip to try to figure out all the nuances. Yup We do a pretty decent job until we get to Rockingham the next spring bring because we hadn't accounted enough for the pit rope. have some issues with that. We go back to the drawing board at work so we knew that anytime. You make these kind of changes. Amy's there would be at abolition. There would be some painful growth to try to get it right. It's pretty doggone close the next step would be toward calculations could be should be generated by. GPS and not back the better part of the of track. And I know that NASCAR is working. It would be the that would be the next steps. Something had happened back in some tracks quarter mile back and others. It's two one hundred fifty yards. If you have a real time freezing of the field where you know where every car is every moment of every lap then wade loops it would be a lot easier it it would be a lot and if you had that you would never had to institute to root of clothes in the pit wrote because you always knew the leader. Well yeah I mean so. It's there's nationalist analyst Eight Thousand Nine Hundred Twenty nine years down the road so it's it's an evolutionary process. I remember that that that meeting since September. Two thousand. Three the New Hampshire races where you guys made that decision and after Dale Jarrett was almost in a really unfortunate situation racing back to the yellow almost got hit. You guys made that decision. We're GONNA start praising in the field we're changing the way no more racing back to the caution remember Dover you guys had a meeting. Reporters weren't allowed but we stood back about one hundred feet and there must gone for like a half hour and I don't know probably two or three dozen questions drivers about it going. That was that when you look back on major decisions you were involved in in terms of rules changing aging in the way Nascar races were running that probably the biggest ones was changing. I would think that would have to be down because it has to be because it changed all the dynamic she. She went from something that was. It's very simple race back. It's it's not subjective too subjective system and then all all the off shoots of that again it magnifies. What's being done on? Pit Road at allows movement of safety equipment. Devolution of of the all the safety initiatives justice and those type things. It was funny in in that meeting. Brian France was in attendance drivers. Me and I had at work with Brian But I. I can't say that do the next day. I got a phone call. And he left me a voicemail telling me thanking me for doing a really good job because it it was. You're right it was about twenty five minutes of I won't say all the cuff questions but to be fair about it. Mike Helton John Darby. All of us were working working on we. We came up with all these questions that we had we brought in our scoring team for the y'all thing to try to get it all worked out no no really different then what we did. We went double file shootout restarts and worked on that. We figured out what we wanted to do. I think as much which is a bigger project here in Mason Cup. Who handles our training had to put it up and making movable powerpoint to illustrated and what she had to do sit down? Sit and everything and I'm still not sure that it was. It was painful week the we had like a week to put together. Because we'RE GONNA show this ad hoc had another meeting I think Saturday Morning Post. Here's what we're getting ready to. You'll see the same thing. Yep Right now it's kind kinda it's it's not a double throwdown closed-door meeting but ask questions and here's the illustration but the illustration and we'll tell you more than trying to have a long own brown out explanation of what what you're doing and to this day. The rule book says this is the order that you line up. It doesn't tell you the nuances of it because you can't explain you get here and you get there so the only way to do is a workshop. And that's that's amazing. Because he had double file Restarts Institute in two thousand nine and and goes against basically what NASCAR was founded in nineteen forty eight. So you're talking about sixty years of history and racing back to precaution two thousand three fifty five years of love. This is the way it's been done. In both those instances you're basically changing five or six decades of way competitors are used to and it's like we had the support of the whole Daytona team in the team working on both projects. We're going down a path that pretty dramatic. Yeah Antillean precedent and and at the same time. We quit freezing the field. We had no technology to help us know technology to help us. We we brought in so we changed I don't remember the order but four or five races later. We're going to tell you so we come up with this plan that we're going to bring in extra help. We're going position them around the race tracking the idea. was that the help around the race track would line score the segment that they see in. which in theory makes all the sense in the world? A say up that at Talladega while you're three wide fifteen sixteen and there's no human can do this. It's all you can do to take the video camera. Yeah so everybody's got an assignment to do what in on the second channel they were to college polity and and Mr Hilton volunteers to be the one cool eight data. I don't remember if the pencil went across the room or whatever he comes up sometimes dirty racist money you get down and you figure out what we got to get to get So no expense. I'm not doing this. We knew it wouldn't work. You could I won't say you could bluff love your way through it but you had a pretty good idea on some tracks but not there we kind of move forward. We have a wreck. We have a big on the back straightaway and I don't remember if it was Elliott Sadler or Dale Jarrett that we flipped the car on the back elmo Langley. Driving to college and car we blown back racetrack racetrack. We've cleaned it all up. We're still with about ten to go trying to get the order right. We're looking at video and what we got. And let's just like we're pushing pushing rock up a flat rock and also we'll track elmo. I think we need to blow it one more time. I just do the the figure out how to try to get is now is good as all you can do is go down and tells a competitive. This is what we're doing. Yeah nobody nobody sit there and said you know and and they understood. They understood exactly what we're getting up to or and in two years later we put a pit road speeding and that was another project that we had to go out and install the equipment. We had a good team. That did it and we get there. Were announced or go ahead. We're going to monitor pit road speed and remember Martin saying this and the clash drivers me or we're going to practice it today. He said. Can we reconsider this. I don't know this I said Mark Sometime. y'All need to be careful what you wish for because you might get you got this. Because he hit you know he had figured out. This is not going to be India. It'll be good in the long run but in short haul it's going to be hard so I'm okay with stop watches. Yeah so I got one more freedom as we sit here. Four races left in the twenty thousand season. What's it been like for you watching NASCAR in a different way of and you had the past thirty one years I still find myself? Officiating appreciating and I still find myself because of the of the other projects that I'm working on trump stay in Kern on the rules and I may notice things that maybe the General Fan Dutton. It's not because I'm any smarter but I knew how going to officiate. It or what I was looking for when I was officiate. So you'd see something happened or you knew that this didn't happen in the right sequence. I don't know that I necessarily missed the travel. I do miss the relationships I had with a bunch of people racetracks. Some of them. I have worked with more than forty years. Clay Campbell comes the mind since we're going to march for this weekend. One of the things I did up there in the first couple of years that I worked up there I worked in the PR department and his granddaddy Clay Earles Haddish. Unique way of teaching him he would sit down and say I want you to draft on this person which meant he followed you all all five days to see what you were doing and I think that's one of the biggest things that helps clay with his understanding a promotion operation of a race track. What the fans won't mournful is is is a historical racetrack trek? People don't think about it. was there the first year. How many racetracks can you name quickly? That have been running since the forties Indianapolis Annapolis Motor speedway. If they're still racing at the Milwaukee Mile there's there's just a short list is very shortly and with the way the growth has came over the years for it to remain and be there and be really one of the jewels because a lot of times. It's one of the best races of the year and be able to modernize something. That's that's got a lot of space. Have Garages or the Garages Fancy. No they're they're not as fancy as some of these new venues but but they're very functional and you're putting you're putting the four forty dollars the fans don't have you obstruction. which was one of the things that Mr earls would fight against? He'd he wanted his fans if they were sitting on the bottom of to see across that racetrack because they were there to see the whole thing. And that's that's the beauty one of the beauties of a short track race. You you can see everything walking out this spring from March. I left early. I'm go to stop right here. I'M GONNA stand in term one. Aw I watched the fans and they were having just absolute who similar to what you'd see in some video clips that was put in from Bowman gray they were having a ball. That's what we're here for the entertain those folks and to have a good race and when you you see that double file restart coming taking the green. And they're driving off in term one it's something to behold it now. Same thing can be said if you're sitting in the trial of Daytona Daytona watching him. Come over the ashes and watched it at. We'll kick up. It's still enjoyed and I will. I don't have. I miss some of the things that I did. That was I look at it this way. That was my golf golf game on Sunday and it wasn't work Monday. Through Saturday was work some of was tedious. Some of it was painful. Staring at roll gauges that was working charitable caters right and rules. That was work. Yeah but the word got me to be able to do this other thing that I enjoyed and I enjoyed it because I worked at that craft to pride to be as good as I can be. I wasn't perfect. And there's there's a lot of help in that position because one person can't he's no way you can see it all but he's taking information from five and six sources and he's trying to process process it and push it out just as quick as you can take an extra lap takes away from the fan. It may take away. The ability of the competitor to use a new set of Tires Aka Eric Amarillo at at at the road course as whatever taking so long to that long but he lost about two laps his tires for losing the good and other guys tired for probably getting rid the bad and then when it was time to go all of a sudden he loves seventeen terms that he made. It could advance them now. Now you can say that one race didn't cost him and it's it's the body of work is the body of work and steal a racer doesn't think of it that way and did you call me this and that was i. It's nobody's intention. They ever has directed or officiated rates never to cost anybody but the the percentages were against you at some point. You're not going to be perfect and you weren't but never job. I never never never thought I just wanted voted to try not to make the same mistake and be humble about it. If I'll tell you I made mistake and go out and try to fix it. There's there's some mistakes that are made in a race that you cannot equitably correct you can try to correct but you can't it back perfectly and you have to accept it but then you won't take that don't don't discount it. Try they improve on it so you don't make the same mistake voice. Are you going to work with NASCAR. And I don't think I'd chance the series you're working with now are. Are they lower their little. Okay Laura Okay any chance that you would work with the series we've heard of in the future or I'm open for anything. I'm sitting in over the summer. I went through a list of things that I needed to catch up around the house else and now all those are done. We're we're getting pretty close to the wind. Storm came through the night. And there's two more trees to get cut up. Okay I'm getting there ear and the Nice thing is it's not anything that you know. I'm not getting the pressure from my wife to do them. These are things that that I wanted to get done. So there's there's time available. Hopefully we can find avenues to only eat. I won't continue to use my knowledge and whether it's helping helping the broadcast because I think sometimes like Sunday's race at Kansas. The guys respond on their explanation. Now there's other times that I think it could help them. If you pointed out something that they didn't recognize not not to call anybody out or say somebody made a mistake but it everything about race is cause and effect and and if this doesn't go right this is affecting this this is affecting that or whatever. There's an opportunity there. I don't necessarily care about traveling again. It's went somewhere this summer and did some work at a racetrack on the airplane. Sit there it was four good flights four good flight. What am I doing? Initially I did miss that at all. Well I'm certainly glad to hear you are up for sharing your knowledge because we'd like to keep seeing at the racetrack can we. We love to have you on the show here today and appreciate you spend so much time sitting down on Antonio these stories David and I could probably tell you a few. Yeah all right well. Maybe we'll do it again sometime all right all right. Thanks thank you are. Thanks again to David suits for all of his insight and time after thirty one years of virtually running the show in the NASCAR scoring tower. The man has a lot of stories. We we appreciate that. He shared some of them with us and also interesting to hear about his post NASCAR career in consulting with ray series and teams on how to write and interpret rulebook language. As you heard David who is a fount of knowledge when it comes to race procedures so he has a lot to offer on those fronts. I I hope. Continue to see him involved in the industry and if so I hope he comes back to join us against some time on the NASCAR ON NBC. podcast tell us more of those stories so speaking of the podcast think of this episode as my off season end of the year holiday gift. I don't know when we return with another episode or whether it'll be narrative over conversational style but I promise we will be back and as always I appreciate everyone's support and I hope everyone has a good holiday season and a happy new year at any feedback. I'm always listening on twitter by the hat. Nate Ryan thanks again for listening to NASCAR AN NBC podcast.

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Episode 89: Straight To The Top Sean Kelly, Patrick Parizo & Mason Diaz

"You're listening to the west virginia. Podcast now hearing your host. Dave and i am brandon brown. Still nascar driver brandon brown folks. We got a great show. We got a. We got a great show. You we do. Let's tell them right off the bat before we start talking about martinsville we have the co inventor and co founder and owner of draft up along with a co owner partner. We're going to have sean. Kelly and patrick paraiso resou- on the show to talk about draft up. What it's all about. It's it's a cool deal. Man is really cool. The company that sponsored the expenditure series race at martinsville. I just wanted to. I just wanted to be you know partner. Yeah and so. That's going to be cool interview. Because i always love interviewing people at right after they've sponsored an event whether it be short tracker nascar yup for the very first time their experience how it went it is total. It was about now. It's totally different than just go into the race. And then we have a twenty year old mason d gas mesa. ds from manassas. Virginia young racer. He's been he's been racing and all sorts of different series for for years. But he is a fulltime driver for Venturi vitamin venturini motorsports. I know them. Because i lived in illinois vin tarini motorsports affected drives the number twenty. Five hundred camera does a part time in the arca menards series and he does part time arca menard series west where he got his career best. Arca finish finished second Not this past weekend but the weekend before at out in california yes came real close to get into win. So and he joined with sam hunt for the martinsville. The martinsburg the draft top fifty draft up to fifty and a nice run. The phoenix race. We're gonna talk to him about that and we got a great story from randy home the message just last night. It was like listen to this. I got. I got a good one for you today. So we are looking forward to that one definitely not gonna give it away definitely not going to give it away but we have a phenomenal show for you. And what what better way to kick it off than talk about martinsville all my gosh fantasy bill now that it is the last race and this last race in twenty twenty one to if it can only had a packed house. Next trucks xfinity cup. All three races were fantastic and brace was the best of all. Yeah yep and you don't always say that never weekend. If the the cup race was the best but the cup race was the best by far. You had all of the drama of the playoffs. You had all the drama of the caught off the action on track was fantastic to you. Had oh man. where do we even star brandon. How much money would you have bet. Before the playoffs started kevin harvick was automatically going to be in. Let's see here. I don't have a lot of money. But if i did i would've man i probably. I don't have a lot in my bank account every diamond. My bank your your way more bold than i am. I fifty percent fifty percent of everybody. Everybody that was talking about the playoffs. Head kevin harvick as one of the final four and and and to be honest. Believe they the prognosticators really a had him winning the whole thing. He good fiend. Because he's so good at phoenix and that team. That team has has risen to the hasian every single time. He has a bad luck. Last say last week last wednesday at texas when they finally got the race and hit the wall finish sixteenth. And then what happened at martinsville happened at martinsville and chase elliott. Yep man talking about a walk off home run. It's not even that karma you know it's cost him a championship run martinsville yup yup before when denny we remember we remember that one and and good young driver. I think you have to put him in lugano right up there. And he's really good at phoenix. Denny's really looked at kazlauskas. I think that thi while he has lagana one in the spring at phoenix could weather. Conditions are going to be totally different. It's going to be cooler. it's going to be getting dark earlier but I i think that the eleven team is going to come prepared. Especially after last year the mistake they made with the tape on the front end of the car. At homestead i think the future hall of famer denny hamlin. I think he's gonna take it home at phoenix finally set up for denny. Yes he was so good. There and phoenix automatically sets up for parbat typically yep. He's so good there. Yup i'm just and then. I saw a text not attacks but a tweet tweet by buddy rick mast said. Here's an idea. why don't the. What isn't the regular season. Champion get a provisional sodas leak a pass through the championship and then they they settle it. See i would put it as a provisional the have to run. you can't just start in part you know you. You have to run all the laps. You can but for some reason that regular season because that to be honest with that would make the regular season championship. Just like short tracks relevant. Yeah it would. It would elevate it to another level who cares really the fan base who the regular season champions interminable about the cia. The final champion. Yup absolutely i think I think i saw dave moody came back to record like. Hey so the regular season shaping could could potentially you run al-absi you know you can. Never you know legislate. oh well. The car ran bad so he was. He was lagging but You could potentially run fortieth every single week and still make it in the championship. Four so dave was like hey. Can we make it the most consistent driver throughout the whole entire season which made more sense to me. Because then you. You don't have a regular season champion. That just puts all his eggs in the in the championship race basket. That's what that was i. I like that compromise. Rick was like we can tweak the tweak but again if you just do the most consistent regular season champion means nothing true. I'm sure i'm sure there's a check for that. The dollar amount for that and they get some it probably playoff points to and they get a trophy But personally. I don't go into the playoffs number. One seed kind of like kind of like march mad. Maybe yeah but in november but in november. Oh man it is. November eight is daylight savings. Time happened ear. I hate it even though we got an extra hour sleep. I don't i don't care about the extra hours sleep when it's dark at five o'clock it just. I can't wait when you drive home in the dark. it's talks yeah. I can't move move to arizona. Don't do it don't do they don't do it. I think in the inner illinois. So so south. Bend indiana like that area in indiana doesn't do it like we're notre dame usc there's a couple places that don't do just like we're not going here for me. Here's here's a prime example. Why they need to change it. We form our own land. Yeah at the racetrack. Now you have to run the lights on a whole lot. Yeah so now. It's shortens your day because you can't really get in the field until noon because of the cold this from the night before because i don't wanna get into talking about daylight savings that it. It sucks we don't like a but but is darker langley langley. Had a great final point. Raise the show on blu. One hundred mod mod tober And had a good car. Cal had a great race from account. Yeah absolutely murphy. Look funny nominal net net together as a huge trophy and oh and the polar was pretty cool that flag that has That flew over on the ships. There really. I didn't even see that it had been flown on a ship. And they put it in a in a case that you can see. They folded it up. Yup and that was kind of cool. That's neat that's really neat. Kind of a melding. The military stuff. That's around the speedway mark words and we won the race and the championship. And and you know. I think that the race itself getting that trophy and because i believe if i'm not mistaken on the pace laps he carried the ashes of sean blue around the track before the before. The green flag flew so that race itself had to mean the world to mark to win that race it was. I think anybody that would have won. That race would have held that trophy and high regard. Absolutely that was bad. Probably good three feet tall. Yeah yeah looked looked. Awesome sean signature on it and it was just eight ninety miles kupa. Kudos to Kudos to our friends at langley for doing that. That was that's fantastic. Racing is is winding down in the state of virginia. This year generally unfortunately arafat out in the western part of the snake getting ready to have their their banquet. This time of year couple of their drivers in the six zero two class six to modify class actually went down to charlotte for the short track. World finals yep and one were first and second really. Yeah and then i think one of the guys one of the guys in the ucar also one as promised a brandon. We need to head to the phone lines. We need to talk to some really cool debt. Cats and i am i really after chatting with them on the video call i wanna i really wanna know how this all came about because it is a cool invention when they say it's the ultimate bar tool. They aren't lying okay. They're not of course we're on the phone line. We have sean. Kelly is the co inventor co founder owner and patrick paraiso also. A co owner partner. Hello guys how you doing in unison. Of course folks. If you don't already know an hadn't heard already you're living under a rock because they sponsor the finnity race at martinsville which turned out to be a phenomenal event. And not only that. A virginia driver came home. The winner burton and broke his. He broke his dad's record for the youngest expenditure driver to win a race there. So it's pretty cool. I gotta know. Let's start with sean sean. What was your experience like this weekend at martinsville. Incredible i mean martinsville definitely a of attract that you have to get to It's super cool. Short-track awesome I was lucky enough. That they let me do the command to start the race So that was really fun to get out on the track and then have to jump over the wall and run past the cars. So i could get out Definitely nerve racking for sure being on national television doing that but You know little practice help and it was. It was so much fun. Everyone was amazing. Drivers are great news. The weather was awesome moore super happy to have a great rate. What about you patrick. Yeah it was just. It was just a black fan even though they thousand fanfare but you know all utah solid like miles on. Everybody was really excited to get out to the race I've never been to martinsville. I had a lot of friend. How many how excited they work for me to go there to get to experience that track there were one hundred percent right. also wanted Big thing is a hot dog and they were a brand flame. That was one of my questions after our suggestions interest after we talked to the video since said this is the way you need to get it. You need to get the at martinsville all all the way now. That is my question to both of you. did you get it. Did you both get at least one all the way. And what was the experience like. Well i think we had about forty in our three and they were gone within like an hour. I mean people have gone back man. They're all gone We we had to get more. They were often. Yeah all the way. I you know. I spent a lotta times chicago so i love hotdogs and these were definitely. These were different. They were unique. And i i. I enjoyed them a lot on. Really glad you guys made that suggestion. They made a point to go. Seek them out And it was worth the definitely. Grab one of those ever. Go there it when you when you bid into for the first time and saw the color. Was it surprising at all to you. Yeah yeah yeah yeah i. It's it's funny. Because i've actually In maine. I think. They have similar color hotdogs as well and i was like. Oh this looks like main so it wasn't super surprising to me but it definitely was like shocking I you know. I i was warned by you so i was kind of looking for what it was gonna be like so happy. Yeah i am so that you actually took us. Yeah absolutely like that that my first experience was your experience like you hear them talk about it on tv for like years and years and you finally make it to martinsville and you bite into one for the first time and you're like oh this is what they're talking about. Yeah so yeah. We had more than that. You know what goes really good with hot dogs beer beer beer and and that's kind of what you guys are all about you know for anyone. Hold on to sodas soda beer covers. You take this guy. The ultimate barton take the cut to the top office a soda and poor your favorite liquor into okay. All right a forgive. Forgive me for leaving out the soda any canned. But that was my attempted at a segue into your product draft top that that you guys put your name on the martin's books series race. My first question is what was the conversation like you know. I love drinking conversations in his. This is is that how this product came to be that yeah Well back in. We did. Crowdfunding and december Just this past december and one of the people that back our product on there they were part of I racing league racing leagues. They live over in Norfolk virginia which is close to where i'm at and And he had mentioned about the racing league and they're looking for a sponsor for it. So you know we came up with a unique way to help those guys out and And then with cova common. You know the racing league got Popular during the time when the racing was kinda cut off show awhile and You know song for over math car caught the league because we were we were kinda like the bush or the league it was just. It was the draft top league and and cars had draft all over. I mean they really welcoming from that. And how the door open when that car from your mouth and you know we had the conversations From there and then and then to answer your question which is how did this. Come about Our other founder armand Someone in college talking how to open their top off again with teeth and so that is true. I'm not making it up as a bottle. Top off of glass. yeah. I'd never heard of it either. And then he showed me video from doing it and we utterly shocked But that he noticed the hearing of it was so much better And so he felt there was definitely gotta be a better way to do this without requiring a lot of dental work So that's how we started the project of him and i started two years ago and About pat now run and You know now. We're sponsoring now races so it's been a lot of fun in the wild ride share. Well this is. This is where this comes in. I mean we everybody's always said drinking out of a can whether it'd be wine beer even even soda doesn't taste as good as a fountain or tap and it's it's all based off. Smell your senses. Your your sense of smell is what says. Hey that's a damn. It talks to the taste buzzes. Hey for you get it. It's going to be really good Yeah so You know so now. You have this tool and it's pretty cool. You just take you hold the can near the top and he take about a half a turn or something like that comes along and cuts top off but it also smooths the edge. Yeah yeah so so now. If it's a beer you can f- it's a corona put a lime in if it's a blue moon lounge in it that's my jam and for single guys after your finish wash it. Put it up on the shelf. You got yourself a cup forever. i tell you You know especially with the rate more so many people come camping. Go camping all the time. And you know you don't wanna have glass in the camper and using classic cup all the time so we we do. Keep the cans for the weekend and we've reuse on if we're gonna make drinks and stuff like that so there's there's a lot of He uses for the cam after. Were typically one you You know drinking beer the traditional way some urban planner avenue and penholder be good for your your kid's science project type of if you go to the beach nowadays. Yeah if you're caught with bottles you're asked to take them and put them back in your car so this this is perfect now because you know you take a can my wife. She hates it because she can't stuff that lime her corona and you guys came along and change her world. Yes you're going to make my life. What what i want to know is as you had the conversations to get into racing and you were. you were doing I racing during this. The stoppage of the pandemic and stuff but In your mind. Why racing like why. Why why did you want your Your product to be racing. Now we we have a lot of these conversation and you know where. Where can we go out. And and and see people that really could resonate with With the mission that we're trying to trying to you know show and you know we're We're an american made product or an american made brand and You know what it's just to me. You know nasty. American story where revolved around drinking. Having a good time you listen to the race. Cars growing their engines. It's just i dunno. It's craig ranch if you've never been to the track and And even with just thousand people there it was. You can still feel the energy at at that racetrack. And i would. I would also add to that that like you know so. It's kind of a match made in heaven. I mean they're the difference between going to a race and watching the race on tv. Right like you feel the engines vibrates in your chest. You smell the rubber burning off the tires. Like you know that. That's kind of how we project well is like until you have gone to an experienced for your first time like you're never gonna get your first plan and once you want your experiences like you're hooked so We kind of equate that our products experience with the racing experience is is very very much parallel And likes in the stands and walkington people race and drink cans like you know. It's the best in the world no summer day. Like if you go to the ballpark a lot of times you can get a draft. It's not it's not in a can or you know some ballparks use aluminum bottles or something but this makes perfect sense. It really does a i. Personally i mean this made in the usa. I wanna point out to all the folks out there. There are people selling copies that come from china overseas. Don't be fooled. It's not sold by draft top. It's not the original and probably not going to work the same rate we've put a lot of effort and we have. We have a robotic in year. That design this thing So he knows what he's doing and we're always trying to improve the product so if it doesn't say american may have on merit handmade made on our tool as well as rdm on it and it's not sold a draft dot com or sold by draft top llc on amazon. Then probably not real. So i would definitely be looking out for that. That's absolutely awesome. What else is awesome is that you are signed on to sponsor next year's martinsville expanding series races at as well it'll be the draft top two fifty again and i want to know what What went into making it a a two year deal. And what do you guys have planned to you know. Once hopefully next november. October november there are fans in the stands How do you plan on activating with with a with a full house next year which will be fantastic. Yeah so you know. I think the conversation was. We wanted to make the A long relationship. You know wanted to really build something here that you know we could appreciate math Appreciate and the fans could appreciate and to be a part of something and next year Not the number one is. I'm i'm bringing my camper. So i'm gonna be there for automobiles we're to be out England with with the people that are campaign hanging out there. 'cause i i got a little opportunity to be able to go out there this weekend and you know even though they're the covid researchers and you know people were kind of keeping their distance. Everyone's there are still good amount of people having fun out there so It's a different awesome here. So i'm i'm I'm excited for a packed out in the future with without. You guys need to be commended because to come on board and sponsor an event where you can't have fans or the lack of a full house one thousand but not being able to activate a sponsorship at a at an event where they have ten twenty thirty forty fifty thousand people. That goes a long way to say everybody. I know the whole race community. Says thank you to you and and i'm gonna tell you i folks the best way to say thank you to these folks go to draft dot com and by one of the ultimate bar tool dave on a payroll. Thank you. I've done here timer to. Yeah yeah i could tell we. We've heard we've heard. Thank you from a lotta people In the recent year when we there you know the the few that we did get to talk to very appreciative of our sponsors stuff. And i was like right-thinking me. I should be thinking you guys because to come to this thing and hang out with all the great racing fans and see great event and be part of the now spark communities. is a blessing for us So we're we're really happy to be part of it and and we're looking forward to building on For years to come brennan. I got idea right now in my head if we go if the covert stuff gets it goes away and we have a full house at martinsville. Next year we take the show on the road. We do a live show and we do with these guys at martinsville at martin love it. Yeah i'm down. I'm sure. I'm sure we can get some guys actually come up and do some interviews with us. If we're there on the property we'll have harrison and jeb burton. Come come hang out jeff. All the racing virginia got man. We can't think again. Sean patrick for joining us here on the race in virginia podcast and we can't thank you enough for sponsoring the finnity race at martinsville in means a lot to because that's part of our family so for us and brandon that means a tremendous amount to us and i know it does to all the fans by the way don't sleep on the college and nfl. Football season is you need these ultimate bar tools for for four ball. I mean i'm looking. I'm looking at west. Virginia university up more than my wbz. Footballs his foot different. Virginia who but we can't take enough and we hope to be able to talk to you again here shortly guys. Thank you thank you. Thanks ever go wrong man. What some great guys. Great guy you know. I'm gonna do this week. Because i i gotta get mine in the mail. Well here's the thing i would. I didn't get to go to martinsville this weekend but So i went hiking and camping with my girlfriend and she doesn't like me to watch. The you know wants me to be paying attention to everything else. But i had to bring up the races on my phone. Even when we were in the woods we went out drinking. Yeah we went out drinking. I'm going to get me a draft top for just these occasions this week. Yeah get it in got it and folks you need to go there to support the sponsors that support our sport. You know if it wasn't for sponsors we would have a rough time running a any race anywhere. It's all symbiotic. Fans sponsors racers everything you know in the you to have them sponsor because like one of a local boy in gloucester road. Patrick's number was a seven number. And so i mean we have a local connection mayor and as always we had we forgot to talk about it too and expanding race hairs and burton win and jeb finishing fourth. Yeah god i hope he gets a ride next year. Yeah because based on his tweet he's not going to be back at a junior motor sports next year. He deserves a shot in a car. That's able to win races. He is at his at talent that because the eight got get. Josh mayor is so deserves who also deserves is going to be in that car for the first half of the season next year so kind of took that opportunity away We got a. We got to keep this show rolling speaking of young talented racers from virginia. If there was any guy that was busier than this guy. I don't know who it is. Because not only is he racing late model stock. When he's when he's not racing menards east fulltime with venturini motorsports. And he he. He drives that number. Twenty four solid rock carriers toyota in late model stock wanting second championship at southern national motorsports park and he finished fifth in the arca. Menards east series. He is mr mason d as from manassas. Virginia how you doing buddy good man. We here talking a little while ago. And i can't her schedule. I mean your full-time student at old. Dominion studying business and marketing at the same time running late model stock and running the arca stuff all over the place and now you throw in some more xfinity stuff. It's not your first xfinity rides. But you've added two more races with sam racing. Talk about how you have navigated. The covert nineteen pandemic. We've talked to a lot of drivers about. I want to hear your take on it. Well copay nineteen definitely changed everything. It definitely schedule or from a a year long. Basic to running every weekend from the king and june to mid november so instead of running races throughout Six seven months doing in five months four months so it just changed it. To the fact of it's a oriented the full swing of being ole time so the biggest thing for me is all classes now or online. I have personally costs up to go to but most of them are aligned. Sexy and so. I can just do my schoolwork monday. Through wednesday and thursday and friday travel days for race on the weekends you started on and go-carts did very did very well in that. Then you went to mandalay. Rose again did very well that and you get your first go kart four. How many guys gotten their first. Go kart at four brandon and then you went into legends and you and you became a virginia state. Champion in legends went to limited late models in raced at south boston speedway and then in two thousand sixteen. You really opened up a lot of people's eyes because in your first snowball derby you finished tenth. Talk a little bit about that. Yeah i mean be curtsy young age and just move forward just like any other path We only we only read our local tracks so we they travel to places like a done line nassar championship or anything like that. We just stay close to home My sister was playing hockey and everything. We were staying close so we can be everything plus schools important back. Then it's still is now and And then we moved up. And let irish the i think four or five mile races and then we went pro late model so i made my first bullet most start rows fourteen in the past series and We had carried with that point sixteen irate so national football we had A series there back. Finish second cold james and points Shouldn't have won won but we did not that year we came back upon here and we moved on late loss. And that's what gave us. Oh shortens arca eat snowball. Derby is an event that someone just goes there and makes but yet you went for the first time at a very young age and then may the event and finished tenth. That problem that that catapulted you to venturini motorsports coming up. I'm sure and offer you a ride in two thousand nine hundred and you were going to do a part time but ended up being fulltime. Talk about what it felt like to have a team like vin tarini motorsports. Everybody knows that name all actually Actually ran the stuff. Like i finished there. My first time We did go for a derby run one year. Think there's twenty eighteen and motorists us so we never made the show this year. I'm going from my first time for a second time for the derby but for the first time this year But all my solid run by things put on the on the show for wintering you see in me. And my potential Somehow came across their desks name and it wasn't just because of the theory was probably because majority of which i'm thankful for it was. It's been a rough entering. A lot of we had out a few times. We had a couple of your wasn't a year that we all expected but we went out west and we finished We should have won the friday night roseville. But we didn't we got down to that one and then We we had a fast far for taylor gray for current but is a great season with learned a lot about what we do what i do what i need to prove on and it was a great learning experience you know. There's such an iconic fixture in arca racing. They've they've launched the careers of drivers so for you to be racing with them that that means something. It does definitely when you look at the list. Drivers that have passed through. Been arranged solicits huge. That have made it to cup. It's be dropped. They've made through all the series allow them are in full time right now and be part of that is special Be able to say that. I raised that when they want to develop drivers into cup drivers. It's amazing feeling to have. And i will never take that for granted because it's small step like the second date. Get a better opportunity. Not better up change dipper opportunities to increase your career at a faster pace I want to go back to what david mentioned earlier and getting your first go. Kart at four You know a lot. It might get get a go kart or something. But it doesn't manifest into a racing career When did you know as a kid. I wanna do this as a career or i wanna do this As a life goal. Well i mean honestly sad to say i don't remember my first joker those or okay. I remember the concept. But i don't remember physical day i remember. I got it i. It was jet for and go start. But i don't remember many of the races through there because it's such a young age Remember joe pede all the time. But i just don't you remember one specific phrase that like nowadays i wanna raise. I can tell you everything about it. four my have turned me because you still enjoy it so when i read standards and everything i was playing soccer too so i played high school. I played high school sophomore year. And then i i stopped it because all the games are on fridays ratio And then my dad just kept asking me. Do you enjoy it. I was like yes. I enjoy it and we just continued going forward and and alien something right to get the names of people who will be looking at me. You you partnered with sam hunt for to xfinity races and not your first xfinity race and in fact brandon. It's not you that gave him a race for but in two thousand seventeen mason. You did run at martinsville but it was in the trucks. With brand browns brandon built motorsports team. And and then you also made your debut that richman. I love that and a fall race of two thousand eighteen again with brandon browns team. Talk a little about partner with him to kinda get your feet wet in both the truck and the xfinity series. Well it really without you have to go back to what. I was a kid for any serious in that old way and so he was originally all saw. I was racing in players. And i would go and talk to them. He would teach me things to help me with anything. He region bandwidth back then. So it really wasn't a concept car handling is more concept of being on the wheel and stuff like that but he don't get their man as when they made their dave We went in went the national news. Time there and then We all just kept falling in love improving during the legends and limb late malls and stuff. Tom i got the ball is he was making careers and like and trucks but But we always had a family connection with them and it's always been a fun time with them. sometimes they always have disagreements. I mean everyone is but It's always. They gave me my first start with a great crew. Needs them that they've been working on developing or is able to fill the seats for sometimes with them and twenty seventeen. We decided to make her. Chuck start at martinsville because old enough to great year and so we'd figure every time to do it and then at some point they stopped racing trucks i think twenty eight teams when they went to trinity and we wanted to help them out and they won't help us out without getting more ride so we parted back together and made her debut compact. Be a part of sam hunt for these tim rate for two races. And you raised at martinsville this past weekend draft top fifty and you ended up finishing twentieth talk about that race and what it felt like to get back at an extended car. I know you race arca. But they are two different animals. They are if you were to compare architectures to anything mass tort be probably similar to trade cars which is the best thing for me But everyone will say unscrew amazing They all work in great. They all have a great relationship together and just being able to run for the team as as ing definitely they are small time team just like majority of the teams was. They are team. They've they've put everything to affect in being able to track. I like i love being part of that kind of stuff Because we can race with on a box and jesse on the on the roof. I thought we did a great a great job this weekend. I don't think are finishing spot shows of what we should accomplished on that last caution i think about thirty to go. It was either we Tradition or come for tires and we decided to track session or way we were hoping for some late race. Cautions to kill from those laughs but We asked you. Green lied to the end so they kinda hurt us there but sometimes doesn't really show what what the speed of the car you had versus. What could could've had Talking back in one piece. And i made all hundred. I never went a lap down so short-track that's pretty cool cool to say it was overall really good weekend of to do it again. This weekend with them. It was really impressive. Just because you started thirty eighth you got absolutely no practice. You didn't know what the car was really gonna feel like is one of the toughest tracks. There are two two to navigate. Were you impressed at all with yourself. And how you handled handled getting up through the field not going a lap down and bringing it home with a with a successful finish. I would say so. I never really judge myself so to say I always just want to form the best i can. And there's always stuff you can work on Struggling porn i think is at link only have so truck start in extending starts with lane stops and locked itself so that was going to be an issue saudi and screen tony there so that made my day little bit easier or better to me just to be able to say that we started at one point. We restarted twelve so we made it to the front of the field. End up that way but It there's so much tragedy in tunes races. Which i'm just starting to figure ox only have a few starts with strategy you can do to gain track position which is very important in the top three series and arca check dishes everything and There's just so much. Continue to learn. That i i do not know about so for me to be out there since this weekend. I think it was running. Phoenix the final race of the season in the xfinity series. But what Looking onto thousand twenty one and beyond. What's what's next for mason ds We're still working on. That always going to be running track stuff late model stock somewhere I love it Always wanted to be in that series. That's what i grew up in. it's always. It's just much to go on the weekends with your friends and be racing close to home or going short tracks around the so fun but other than that. I don't really know what we are doing next year. We have some cool plans in the works. I think but We still busy season this year. Still have this race this weekend. Phoenix racing and then derby in the derby. That's a long race as long as we can. Almost a week's worth of time so still this year until we go next year now. The family loves racing. Not just you. Southern national motorsports park has a close relationship to you. Yes does a lot closer than what people think. my dad and honestly here Branstad daring and one of the first thing. They went and imported onto To in two thousand eleven purchaser nationals worth park. And we were all hands on for a while there before Brand went sixteen years. The truck racing daring and brandon concept away from national and we carry it forward. My family really That works on there and we run lotteries throughout the season. I work fulltime there on top of doing all this stuff and say i would want a different way. I enjoy it. I know it's in north carolina. Okay but you're you're dead in the folks that they rescued it. it was. it was going to be dorming. It was it was not going to be racing until they decide that they want they were going to purchase it yeah. They went down for an auction in decided to jerry. Never she went my dad someone else and and they flew down there and they looked at it and flew back home and one guy that wanted to be part of it so my dad really wanted to be part of it so he talked to the people in the one of them was jerry brown and decided to go. Go go for with my family's full on there my sister. She's a huge on there. My mom is my dad of four run the race track with the other Charles a huge down there. But it's mainly us that lift three and a half four hours away the thing on traffic and even longer and and we shows on for people mean i love it. It's the factor bringing people together. Do they enjoy and short-track side that a lot of people my age irt in raking alone. Don't really get to see or be a part of understandable concept it's a great track it's Got a lot of banking like bristol. I mean it's and it's a fast racetrack. So i had the of being able to announce some of the bigger races like the thanksgiving race that unfortunately because of the covid stuff had had to be cancelled down there but It's a great facility and you can't think you're dead and the rest of that took part in rescuing it because no matter if it's north carolina track virginia track south carolina west. Virginia it all plays into because sponsors see stuff tracks closing and for for tracks to stay open or you know be saved it. It rescues the whole sport and can't think can't thank them enough. That's a lot of work. Trust me it's a two hour drive from richmond and it's it's not the most fun drive. It's kind of boring. Be honest with you. I've done sure cat. It was fun the first couple of times a good thing and then the next year comes along with this deal and now it's like well shots the second place we have to go and it's always three hour drive and i really faster. Everything always be slower and slower. Because we've been it's been ten our time get down there. Yeah air well. We ricken jacket. Yeah i mean he says richmond drive going through the city. So it's almost better if you jump onto ninety five in it but over by kings dominion area does not burden. It's terrible it's brutal. it's back man. We can't thank you enough for taking some time out of your schedule. Visit with us man it you know we talk about it all the time. What what an amazing group of drivers we have here in our state and the amount of different types of racing we have in the state. And that's our job. Here at racing. Virginia is to promote you guys. The virginia drivers that are make making a name for themselves and promote the tracks and the races. I mean this. This state has something that a lot of a lot of places a lot of states. Don't have we have to do nascar tracks now. We have to go back. I know that's going to be good. That's again someone saving motormeile. Yes but Can't thank you enough man for taking the time to visit with us and we hope to talk to you again soon. Good luck this weekend at phoenix make make us proud. That thought i'm gonna try it. You a lot of not come out yet. But i think we're going be starting a little bit little girl towards the front Help tremendously. And i have never been there before but I have some time and i'm watching film and parents much can get ready for it and i can't thank everyone in plain marina thought. Iraq carriers flow coding. Everyone is part of the deal the being put together. It's huge opportunity for myself and trying to make the best of them. You married cool. You made brandon smile dude. I racing so but thank you again and we look forward to talk to you but thank you. Good luck man. What a great young kid. Great young kim one hundred talent another only he is. He's got it. I mean for venturini to come and talk to you. Talk to you About joining their team. Not you go into them and say hey what do i gotta do to get a seat. Because they are near the patriarch of arca menards series teams like they are the you wanna make it to the next level. And that's the ladder rung that you're gonna take on. You can't get a better race team. He just kept exactly but again brandon. It's one of those things where we have such a great amount of talented drivers. I mean we keep stumbling on home just crazy as if by accident. We found these. You know you just don't realize it a lot of absolutely not like the fact that you can see over and over and over. All this guy's from geneva this person's from virginia over and over and over again will you are stay up against All of them take our guys against any of them any day any day. Haven't gone all star race you. Hey there we go pick your drivers from your state. Get them all coming. You know maybe two or bad we gotta have at least five because we have so many drivers from this state. We have at least five in the in the ring. I think we. I think we got speaking of stumbled upon something. I think we stumbled on something really cool. I think we did too. But you know what time it is. Yeah i do do i. Do you know what time it is. Time to hear story rainy hall. He gave us a little insight into what it might be. today. I absolutely inside and we saw picture. Yeah so we'll let him explain it. Hey randy what's going on. Hey are you doing before we get to that story though. What were you thought about martinsville this weekend. We'll complained forever about playoffs. I i i'm willing to notice was coming. Yeah yeah you know. I'm an old guy from regine. i'm willing. I'm willing for there to be playoff that they wanted. They just gotta have the playoffs. Okay okay okay. And i preferred it when when the playoffs were a small season. I mean you just you ran for you guys. Even in they ran ten races or whatever it was and and you've won that season was the champ. Okay and i can. I can stand it to have to have it broken into you. Know into segments eliminates people but coming down to two one right never been a good idea for me and and the way the way it's set up now even with even with the playoff points that they and all that you still run the risk of the thing. I've always hard if you're gonna get somebody in the for. He doesn't deserve the champion than there. And they'll get lucky and win it but the other end of it is. You won't get the guy in there who who of all the drivers deserves the most. And that's are you gonna have. You're gonna have a final four without your best one. And i think that's the same on shows the weakness of the playoffs. Well well we. We've had a discussion at the beginning of the show. Okay because rick mass made made a tweet and said how about we tweak. The play offs and the regular season champion gets a provisional. If he doesn't make an into the top four. yeah. I saw that totally agree i saw this week. You know. that's a good start at it anyway. that's Well i mean has got good. So dave moody came back with So technically if they did that the regular season champion could essentially come to the track. Run a couple of apps and take the nine races of the playoffs off and focus all their attention on the championship race. And that they could do that. I'm not sure that they would do that but they could do that if they wanted to. And that would go completely against the spirit of of racing in general right. Who which. I would reply. You're right. They need to the playoffs altogether. Good idea so. Here's my point. And i'm a i'm an old curmudgeon as well in a younger guy i guess you can quote unquote younger guys. Body Who i like. The i like the winston cup system if you will But carbon went in harvick and his team went into this situation knowing what they had to do. It wasn't like it surprised them but they weren't surprised by by anything that went on in that and they didn't deliver so do they deserve to be cut out knowing knowing the rolls when they went in there. I think that's just the system that we got and they failed to deliver not anybody that anything that didn't belong at the doesn't belong in the system it's written everybody knows the rules etc etc. It's just the rules are bad. You're bad if you don't have or we're gonna come down to the end you're gonna drop downs to the interest. We're gonna come to the end of this race with denny hamlin and kevin harvick side-by-side bang bang fenders come into the land and it ought to be for the championship but it will be well. I mean i mean we almost had the top two drivers heading into the playoffs. Not making it was close denny in fallen out to your which would have been even even word it could happen but you know you're one of them being outed. This is ridiculous to say. Do you think it's going to. Here's what's gonna happen. One guy's gonna win the now say this. All four guys are good and and and have had because seasons. And you know it's not going to be like oh my gosh you know. Somebody comes in slips in there with a one win or no wins or whatever but for a casual fan and there still are some. They're gonna look at this bigger. Look this is what happened. This guy when non-racist dot com. We wasn't champion. Well no well was. He was second right well. No he wants. Couldn't win. And i'm going to have to explain that i hate to see that's a i. I was fantas. Simplicity some you you could talk You could explain the the old championship system in about five seconds. You're your race personally. Wins the race gets the most points they have thirty. Seven races accumulates most points at the end of seasons champion. All right gotcha. Levion need exam. And here's another thing that i don't mind it. If if a got dominates the season and with races to go or three he is the champion plant he deserved. I don't have any problem with it now. You know nascar's deal championship that they they think the maybe they're right that they think it's the only thing that keeps fans watching on television for me. It's always been more than the championship. I like the. I wanna know how that guy does on that day with that car. I'm of the opinion that each race. It's is its own individual championship. that's why say daytona five hundred champion because it kind of is because unlike any other sport you race the entire league every weekend at the same time. You don't have match races. Where chase elliott racist against any hamlin for ten laps. And then you know like blake say that the nfl would do where. The eagles eagles are playing the cowboys last night. In the next week they play the giants. They all play each other once every race. Has its own champion. And that's what. That's what interests me because if rusty wallace who i was a huge fan of his a kid he was out of the championship chase most races when i was watching as a kid but i can tune in every single week. And we'll see if he was going to be the entire field that day. Well we we agree completely. And as a as a as a major for instance you know. It's it's david pearson. Winning eleven of eighteen racist. He wasn't even thinking about the championship. But oh my gosh. He wanted to be there when he was there. You know it was the race again. It was the right. And i. And i think What i grew up on. I'm so brandon. i just got the. I can't be helped. i will say to to to bring in a conversely point. I was at the championship race in two thousand seventeen when when martin true x. beat kabushiki championship and i went there as a fan. Not as a nascar or track employee hours. They're strictly as a fan. And i was pulling for martin that weekend and i will say that. The excitement that the end of that race brought because of that system the winner take all type system. My face was known. For how excited i will and i'm not joking. My face was numb. Those last five laps when kyle was catching martin for the championship. So there's argument to be made on both sides for exciting racing for special racing. But you've got a story about a certain special race at martinsville. The jesus did one. So i want to hear that story from you rainey. Well here we go the seventies and i can't remember i don't know what it's amazing that can ever remember that it happened. I think because Anyway it was halloween weekend and then most halloween weekend. That was the the weekend for The dog who had five hundred at martinsville that was the when they flip a fleet race split event with modifies running two hundred fifty and late models like most four fifty and and it was huge. They had they had probably one hundred dollars for each series to make that race. And you know you gotta you. You brought your car from wherever and trying to make the field and it was you end up with a great deal of Thirty six cars or whatever it was and so it was. it was a big big event. It was not quite as big as their cup races. But it was pretty close to it because this is the seventies and always went to the that race and they had one in the spring. The cardinals five hundred which compared to fifty and one in in in october usually halloween weekend. Just a dogwood. So i'm going to the dogwood right and i grew up in league which is about. Oh thirty forty miles from martinsville up in the mountains just above and my sister lived there. And i went to her house to hallowe'en party the night before and i i was a pirate or some ridiculous thing and and they're going with her house is just full of people and we were having a very good time and as the as pirate c. had plenty of drug and I mean you know it was lots of people great fun. We had a good time. And i woke up in the morning. And and the place is littered with people who pretty much passed out and nobody else does. Nobody else is awake. And one of the one of the guys that come with a huge pumpkin on his head when he was the great pumpkin and he was he was over there. Passed out and and I whispered hey months. I take this with me. Knowing that he was not answering. And i took the pumpkin and look at martinsville so drove down there. Working burglar got out of the car opened the drunk. Put the pumpkin on my head over my over my head on my shoulders and Walked in i went into the to sign up for my credential and you know everybody got a kick out of that and then i walked walked into the to the racetrack and there was ray hendrick the great the one and only i think he won. I think he went too late model race at your if be seventy four but anyway ray was there and one of them missed the winston Women is brinkley was there and And the photographer for the track. Got us together and ray was right was on one side. I put my arms around while one side one. The other and ray was like ray was not a publicity you but he was. He was A lot of fun and he was having pretty good time without any didn't what right i knew he tells us pretty well but he couldn't he didn't know any funny looking at the cut out the jackal an-and cut out for the mouth. This is what i was looking through. He could see n. and he looked and he saw who it was and he said i can randy. I always see your pumpkin. Yeah so that was my. That was my halloween. That was my best selling moment. Ever i think certainly my best at a race threat My question is how long did you keep that thing on the race track. Did you take it off shortly thereafter dude or did you scare the hell out of a few more people along the way well it was it was it was look in and i were on after the press box. I probably had it on for. Oh better part of an hour before they go in and war on up to the press walk. I don't know was. I was always gained for a fellow ford. Oh man i can imagine that the person in my head. The person at the office was like this quite doesn't match. The id that you've given us i don't i don't miss a great in requests won't the thing is it's a great photo with you in the reagan. We'll we'll posted. I will post it with the story here later on this week. This it's pretty phenomenal. Could be quite that bold at the racetrack putting at home. My gosh that makes thing on my head way didn't in his pick mart dress up for some. Yeah so rainy. You have some competition because we We had our our track and treat event last week. Here richmond raceway. I was dressed as a pit crew member. But dennis. Meyer was the red eminem and that to see him in that like see what he looked like. Afterwards pretty impressive. I did where i bar. Funny leandra remember when years later borrowed the racing uniform. Farces roy hendrick and wore that for halloween when when is the right racer so yeah. Kind of generation connected now with the With the access and the security you guess you could call it Back in those days. Do you think you. Could've you could've been an impostor and gotten an embedded yourself with the crew. Oh i don't know if the once he went out on track yeah like he can't change tires. That's fantastic randy. We can't think enough man Another great story. Just an awesome story really is and thank you so much. Glad to stop in jordan. Go as usual. Maybe we can create out the playoff system somewhere that man. That's a pretty good story you know. We should've talked about in the beginning. Because i totally forgot that because i saw that dennis's tweet. He said i've wore a lot of hats around. But this one nothing quite like like it. And he Man he was a trooper out there. Because if you've ever been a mascot if you've ever been in a mascot outfit if matt no matter what temperature is it outside it is hot. it is humid. there's no error in their whatsoever. And he was out there handing out candy to all the kids. I bet you is two hundred and fifty cars to three or four kids a piece in his cars for three hours and it was cool to have mars involved. Yup mars and eminem's gave us all of this candy to hand out to the the kids. Because obviously you with dacoven stuff. Nobody really got a normal normal halloween and environmental miles and through four bags. My did you man. They were everywhere. Well interesting. I generous till either way. We we had this great event At richmond last week and it was really really cool. That was my my friend. Charlotte courtney mcgarry. She gave me as a gift a few years ago. Some name co motorsports pit crew stuff. So i've worn that for halloween. I want around the cars and was like all right four tires candy. Let's go to cars. Yup yup and candy and the kids bags and stuff. They were having a ball. So that was that was cool to do. This is another example that that day. It's another example of sponsors stepping up and doing it just for the sheer yup and no one. It's the right thing to do. Yeah they didn't have to do that now. they didn't know it was. It was just cost money. Yes spent sixty seventy dollars worth of candy. Well we'll think about that times like two hundred for all these kids and that's how much they donated to just just to make these kids as a free event they didn't pay pay to get in and all that love. It just gave away by the way. When i walk when i came in i was a little nervous that we had traveled back to the stone. Age here on the property because scare me a little bit. A t. rex out there. We got we get the jurassic quest out there at the at richmond. Raceway here in the area which we've had before which really really cool stuff things come alive. Yeah you know you got gotta do. It didn't things are if you didn't know better. We scare the gbs out i. I'm not easily scared especially at night. If they do it once it gets dark. Those things look cool in the dark beady red eyes. yeah smoke kansas. I mean it's it's a cool thing if you if you know if you're in if you want something to do with kids how long. How long does it here next week. Next week links pretty time then make camp out there. Good time though timing with halloween halloween. It's always perfect. absolutely perfect. Richmond does a lot of things of the race. Yup we got the amphitheater concerts next year. Cross my fingers. Tons of trade shows and events here to property. We're the i. I would dare to say the most diverse property of all the nascar tracks speaking of a little racing diversity. We're having mods back ready to say the modified they're coming back here at richmond raceway for the The september weekend. So we're going to have a racing an xfinity cup double header on september eleventh. Which is also the twentieth anniversary of september of september eleventh. Two thousand and one But the day before that Expanded show with the modified coming back. That's going to be phenomenal race Then they always wore fini's going to be the same day as cup that made you talking about making a good ticket. Yup modified race. We've got a concert that weekend to we're we've got cody jinx. He's scheduled for that weekend the next day. We've got modified and we've got a double header explicity afternoon. Race cup series knight playoff. What a weekend going to be great. And i'm gonna tell you what the modified get around richmond show. I would dare to say they're not gonna put a limiter on them because back when the sawyers owned the modified used to run here on a regular basis they end to put what a what is it restrictor plate to slow down the hall hollering. Look they got big tires and things huge. Yeah what what. What's the line from days thunder. The car is half as lamb. Gonna miss the hell. He's talking about indycar. But it's the same with the modifies a half half the size and the tires are twice as wide like. that's that's a modified. You're going to be quick around here. It's going to be a great show. It really is going to be great. And and they're also coming back to martinsville on what you didn't know coming back to martinsville april eight this spring weekend at martin's for the first time in ten years they are coming back in april on april eighth. Twenty twenty one as part of martinsville's spring rican. I am just above excited about this. Because the modified 's therefore kind of like the forgotten child. They raced especially up north. They have a southern division down at bowman gray but they were kind of the forgotton racing any of the big most of the big track. They do race. It in new hampshire. That's a staple up there. That's that on asphalt up in one of their races. Yeah and they were kind of like the forgotten child and to see them coming back to martinsville in richmond. And i know. I'm partial because of the racing connection absolutely and they put on a phenomenal show. It's great that they're going to put them in the spotlight again. Because let's be honest. That's kind of the original car right. It's morphed a little bit but that's the that's the division that the ray hendrickson. Those guys drove in the modified division. And this date. Virginia has a just a phenomenal history. When it comes to modified divers and how we did you know especially our drivers going up north and kicking a exactly. Yeah the the show that they're going to put on his is fantastic. Were excited about it because it just brings you know we talk about the bridging. The gap clean grassroots racing and the dogs isn't askar next. Year is seventy fifth anniversary. Seventy fifth anniversary of richmond raceway. We've got a lot of fantastic stuff in store for that. I know please please no covert please no covert. I'm saying look very yeah absolutely. Put your hands. My hands are together can get on my knees right now. Would we are. We've got a lot of great stuff in store for that I'm already working on some stuff with randy hallman. I can't yeah for the seventy fifth anniversary so we don't want to. We don't want to give it away. Give it away at but it's going to be really good content and it's going to involve the fans it's going to involve the fans no matter if we have god forbid zero fans here a packed house a fifty five thousand at richmond. All the fans are gonna be involved in the seventy fifth anniversary raceway. And i'd like to try to figure out how to get some older drivers from seventy five years to all in here and talk richmond. The the history here is just phenomenal. And i'm like. I thought i was a history. Buff g like loads and legs of being being the age that i am. I am so excited to talk to people. Like morandi and al peers about all of the stuff that i missed from the fifty six from dirt track. Yeah half mile to three quarter mile. There's you know there's like three chapters. Absolutely that's that's one of the things we're gonna try to tell me that story it's going to be. It's going to be a good year folks. Twenty twenty one is going to be a good year. Kobe was speak in to existence. Speak it into get into existence and when you hear this this week but i will regardless of party affiliation k. regardless of your party affiliation if you haven't already gone vote because i know you have voted got my got my sticker and i'm going to i got to. I made him give me to stick. So i can wear my sticker again tomorrow. You know this is this country his especial the citizens play a huge part. And how it shapes so use your vote. Yeah okay go at. Don't sit on the sidelines. I don't care republican democrat. I don't care wherever you are. Whatever you are what makes that's one of the things that makes us equal exactly. Is we all got that voice. I don't wanna get on a soapbox but as an american public service announcement well as an american duty absolutely. That's the founding fathers. That's the way they set this all up so please you know it would be honest with you. There was a lot of ways the vote this year. Yeah i mean you have to get up on tuesday. That was the thing like like and the thing was. I think it was communicated better than it ever has before like i. I always vote on election day this year. I went just because i knew see usually your early voting in the past years hasn't been that early so because a covert there was some things that changed and and i will tell you this i was in and out in ten minutes has good. Look all you can do is go on a tuesday. It's like you go in to go because they haven't yet go vote. Speak and i'm going to try. Ucs stole my thunder. I was going to say. 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