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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 10/22/18

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 10/22/18

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So call me at one eight hundred seventy three CBC or tweet me at Jim. Cramer, welcome to the end of October. While at the end of October, we got a million reasons to settle sell. So not a lot of reasons. Which is why this market is so darn choppy douse. The hundred twenty seven point, say as it be was point four, three percents. But then as they gained point, you six percent, this is the time of year when a us percentage of mutual funds like the dump, their losers, so they won't like any. It's when they had to disclose their holdings. Now, those losses are substantial. If you own anything connected to housing or to China to problems that I regard is entirely manmade. Housing's being crushed by an overzealous, Federal Reserve, and China's getting slammed by the president's tray world. Now, I believe only defense going to Blake. There's just so much damage being dumped killed by the surgeon mortgage rates. If they bother to look at the data, I wouldn't be surprised if they were my yes, this little bullish, but one in done being the fed, tightens one more time in December, and then says, well, let's get data dependent. Let's wait and see what happens. But the Chinese situation I've got to tell you that seems to escalate by the week. We've gone from tiff to skirmish, outright economic warfare against China with the presence chief economic adviser. My old partner, Larry cudlow. Now telling the financial times that China's intransigence on trade is so harsh that he's never seen anything like it as Kudlow explains. The problem with the story is that they don't respond. Nothing not. He went on to say that are detailed lists of ask, basically hasn't changed for five or six months. So then at this wasn't the progress cutlasses it's really the president and the Chinese. Communist party. They have to make a decision. And so far they have not, or they have made a decision not to do anything. Wow. Of course, you could argue that this is just tough. Talk ahead of potential negotiations where you could say, this is an emphatic end to the talks. If there were any and we better get used to some serious collateral damage because of this, you know, Myers always pick up when I see Chinese communist party because it reminds me that the President Trump is not a big fan of doing businessman communists. And in the back of his mind, I sometimes get the sense that he wouldn't mind if we stopped trading with China entirely. In other words, I think the president wants the economic equivalent of regime change yet not an economic war, but a Cold War with the Chinese once again, playing the pre Nixon role of worldwide, nemesis news say that is not what Wall Street wants to see. So which stocks have been hammered and which ones could potentially have more downside. I one I'm most worried about at this very moment. It's walk. Well Collins. It's a fantastic aerospace companies being what by the inkling. Fantastic. United Technologies which reports tomorrow morning. A little more than a year ago. Rockwell-collins agreed to sell self the United Technologies for about thirty billion dollars. It's really the last standalone maker of aircraft components of any size of any scale. If the do closes, it could allow United Technologies to break itself up. Into three separate companies. Otis, elevators, control, climate controls, business, and airspace, which includes the gym that has Pratt and Whitney member. We visited them a couple years ago really terrific company, but the opera Termine that sentences, if because the Chinese have the ability to block the deal on antitrust grounds, remember that's exactly what China did. When Qualcomm tried to buy annex p. semi even though the weren't Vigliotti I felt legitimate anti trust issues. Well, calls had high hopes that steal my close by the end of September. So United Technologies, which is why Rothwell calls the stock shot up to one hundred forty two. That was up from one hundred six when we first got wind of position last year, but China has an approved and the stock has shed a quick twelve points indicating that there's a tremendous amount of angst among the arbitrage community that are in this deal makes sense in the wake of the failed quantum and ex Pete deal. Get this annex piece stock plunged from one hundred twenty seven dollars and fifty cents with deals supposed to close. Well, it it never got to write to their about one twenty-seven all the way down the seventy six dollars. Oh, man. Most that week is coming because China blocked Qualcomm from acquiring. I don't think about what causal full that hard, but I've gotta tell you it will not be a picnic at the same time, United Technologies taking on the chin because of the hold up and this transaction. And as long as the Chinese drag their feet, it makes the company's eventual break-up less likely. That's unfortunate as the break-up unlocked. So much value in Greg Hayes is doing such a good job. He's the now if China decides to play ball, it would be the easiest thing in the world for them to approve this deal, kind of as a show of good faith. Lots of smart people betting will do precisely that because there's no good reason. No justification block this transaction, accepting use it as a bargaining chip in the trade war, but we thought the deal will be closed for weeks ago. So the consternation, I'm calling legitimate what else? How 'bout might front. Here's a commodity semiconductor company that gets about half of its sales from China right now. Micron trades. Just less than four times earnings. Wait a second that insanely low price earnings moldable tells you that people are very worried that the company won't be able to make its numbers. Does have genuine weakness in this flash memory division, and it's very much boomer bus business, but are rocky relations with China. Sure. Don't help here. Maybe the Chinese communist party wants to shut down their business in China. Maybe they wanna make it harder to do business. Whatever's happened. It sent the stock into freefall and that's putting pressure on the entire chip co work including Applied Materials. Dr capital makes a lot of this China. Some stocks get clocked at the mere mention of China. The f. Corp, the fabulous apparel company behind vans, and we're face coughed up that it sources eleven percent of its merchandise from China last week in the stock, meanwhile, ten percent of its value on Friday, even though the report a pretty solid quarter more on that. Later, Kimberly Clark said this morning that it's business in China was down high teens, horrendous stock, took a three dollars eighty. Three sent hit PVA. The parent of Tommy hilfiger and Calvin Klein having making huge progress in China, given us strongest US sales are and how you're been very good. I wonder if China's upset must be capped. I can't think of another reason why PVA stock has fallen from one or sixty nine to one hundred twenty one. Now we know that there are companies with such good relationships in China that they'll probably do just fine. No matter how heated the trade war gets. Apple's got tremendous ties in the People's Republic. They manufacture so much stuff over there that any sanctions on apple would be really like China cutting off its nose to spite. It's fix. The Chinese stock market rallied, heartless list. I don't talk of China advocating what is basically whatever means necessary stance on the economy, presumably including stock market in the past is part is very good at bolstering growth. I think Starbucks which had a sharp shortfall in China has reversed that decline there, which is why this has had such a good run. There's a lot to like about Starbucks overseas. Domestic business hasn't quite turn yet world program to quite well still. You have to be cognizant that the strongest talks today where the texts that have no meaningful exposure to China, namely Amazon alphabet and Facebook. All the stocks were doing much better until the last fifteen minutes was really today, and it's coming in loud and clear that those are the ones that people like going into the next quarter bottom line as mutual funds, dump stocks of companies that trade with the enemy as part of the end of your selling, they decided to swap that cash into the highest growth tech stocks with no Chinese exposure, and therefore there's a whole lot of FANG going on. Let's go to Brian in Florida. Brian. Jim, how're you doing? I am. Good. How about you? Brian? Jim, I really need some help here. Sure. Reasons. I first of all, amid a lot of pain is in New York Giants fan. Technically, I'm long fifteen hundred shares of US concrete in the seventies. I bought a full position and have an average down when it ran up to eighty thick them sold off the seventy. I thought I had an opportunity. Now the fuck is that thirty dollars a share and my mailbox literally read the house of pain built Stanbrook the CEO who you've had on your show multiple times on auto sell for an army guy. He doesn't seem to be supporting his company or shareholders at all. I understand that the FEC I understand that the sector is a whole has sold off including some ex- book Martin Marietta, but nothing like how you concrete has. It looks like the Democrats will take the house and the Republicans will keep the Senate. If so, do I might position here? Do you think now now they have to come up with an explanation about why it's come down. I mean, I know there's no infrastructure Bill, but this this there's something this talk is in free fall and I can't tell you to catch a falling. We've asked several times we've been saying over and over. Without an infrastructure Bill, you can't own the stock and that unfortunate view been borne out by the action in US or right book. The losses are substantial stocks that were up today, art of texts that have no exposure to China, and that's a whole lot of FANG going on, oh man, money tonight. Trouble in Toyland has to tumble today's. It's still working through the toys. R. us denies. I'm sitting down with the after earnings to see what it means for the we maker. Then the pair come. You vans and Gorth fish reported better than expected. Earnings stocks took a hit under breakdown. This intriguing move. And even though the stock market might seem a lot less welcoming over the past few weeks, there's still some opportunity had I'm going off the charts to save his time to buy them one of the most unlikely places. So stay with framer. Don't miss a second of mad money follow at Jim. Cramer on Twitter. A question tweet Gramer hashtag mad tweaks, send Jimmy mail to mad money at CNBC dot com or give us a call at one eight hundred seven, four, three CNBC miss something Ed to mad money Dutt CNBC dot com. How long will take for Hasbro the toymaker to get past this. Collapse of poyser us which finally shuttered all of its US locations a few months ago. This point has reported pretty suboptimal quarter company earned. Only a dollar ninety. Three cents per share. Streep is looking for to twenty three thirty cent. Miss sales also came in. We can then expect it down seven percent year over year toys r. us did a lot of damage, but the Cup, those have got hurt by overseas, strong dollar, a lot of inventory that had to move. It seems pretty clean. Well, has some lucrative partnerships with Disney, including both Star Wars and marvel comics. Those businesses declined dramatically because we're no major releases and that's why the stock I think should free percent. On the other hand, the company announced a major restructuring helped contain clause. As I mentioned, they told us that inventories down -nificant in US and Europe, which is exactly what we want to hear as we head into the holidays because tight inventories translate into stronger pricing. So as the Twizere related weakness been baked into Hasbro here, is it safe to start buying the stock. At these levels. Let's check them and Brian golden, the chairman CEO of Hasbro, get better sensitive border where the companies headed mister gold. Welcome back to make money. Hey, Jim surprised that there's a lot of fear at the beginning, but then I think you've been saying to us, look, they're still going to be some noise at what point will the noise go away and you will go back to what I think was some of the great forecasting that you've always done before toys r. us. Well, toys r. us for us last year. This was our largest quarter q three followed by q. four. So as we get through the holidays and into two thousand nine hundred and we've said, we'll return to growth and profitable growth as we expand operating profit margins, absent one time costs. And again, as we go forward, we'll be beyond the toys r. us issue. So he had to get through two thousand eighteen. Okay. So let's talk about some of the things that are going to that really stood out because I think that everyone knows about the negatives already, but we'll go, we'll go back Plato something good with Plato. Yeah, Plato's grown quite well. In fact, using a lot of social media listening in scraping we're really looking at how the audience is playing with the brand. It gives us a lot of insight and we move very quickly. It's a brand that's expanded across this expanded channel strategy that we're employing. So all kinds of retailers can get involved in that creative product. And it also goes global. So we have a team leading the innovation here and we're very excited about where we go with the brand, latest. Okay. Also, it mean when you say that the inventories are lean, I really want people to understand there had been a lot of toys so-called in the channel. It looks like. I know you can't just say, listen, we're done with toys r. us, but things are better than they were three months ago. Oh, no question. In fact, in the US our retail inventories down seventeen percent in Europe are in retail inventories are down more than twenty percent. And really the next quarter is the last quarter where toys r. us has a meaningful impact or waiting for some resolution to toys r. US Asia as the two partners work out a new arrangement in China, and then we move forward without toys r. us, but a ground the world where adding so many new retail channels are US team is added ten thousand doors in the last year and twenty one thousand doors in the last three years. These are all kinds of new retailers that are out there worshiping all kinds of new product based on a product development strategy that allows us to make great product at every price point for any consumer. And that's where we'll going. This holiday season is with a lot of new kinds of retailers as as we continue to build the business and they want to capture the share that toys r. us left behind. Do we have to be concerned? We're a little bit. Let's just say we're fl. By one company source a lot in China, whether there's big issues up ahead, how do you feel? Can you give us some comfort that China's not a terrible place to have toys base? Well, first and foremost, we also produced twenty five percent of the revenues we do in the United States in the United States. We just brought Plato production back to the US overall, we produce about seventy percent of our product in China, but we've been moving production out of China. In fact, in the next two years, we should be down to about sixty percent out of China, and I does far have heard in working with the administration that we are being a good actor and a good player, and we expect that the business will be. Fine. Coming out of China go forward. We don't expect to see any major tariff situation. That's good to know. Now partner brands declined thirty, seven percent is that this kind of just a hole in the lineup, because nothing you was introduced. What we do have year, we're just comparing two year ago. We had the Star Wars movie. We also had a lot of entertainment around Disney, Princess beauty and the beast Moana, and other brands in the Princess and frozen lineup. So you're just comparing your on your that you don't have those entertainment initiatives this year. Okay. Now I went on. Google transformers, Bumblebee. It sent me right to Amazon, and it was basically looked like an Amazon product so to speak. But it's yours. Now, do you make good money when I buy something on Amazon like that. Absolutely. Our cost a business with Amazon. Another retailer is quite good and we're very agnostic about how we grow. I'm glad to see that you went online and what we're doing increasingly as we become more modern in agile as a toy and game company and a modern play companies were doing those shop, -able social pieces of content. So when you go online, you find a product or you might find a short video. You can click right on that video and buy the product that your favorite retailer in one or two clicks. Now, I want to be sure that people understand that you become very much an entertainment company. One of the ways I look at that is when I look at what you guys are doing fortnight, what you're doing, you're Frank overwatch, you speak to that. People understand this is not the Hasbro that we had five years ago as much as I liked it, then this is better. Well, we're first launching a monopoly fortnight thus far. Was the number one new item in the games category just in the first week of the fourth quarter. And then for the spring, we have Nerf overwatch coming where you get to play the game for. Real live, obviously making great blasters and role play. So you can play as your favorite character. And then that will follow with ner fortnight, which comes both in the first half of two thousand nineteen. So it's very exciting. He get the jump out of the game and play for real people lost a lot of people when it was this conference call me to me. This was the most pertinent thing because what I've seen what it's done to activism blizzard, obviously, we know take two with Strahl Zelenik. No one puts Hasbro in that category. After I read this conference call, I started thinking that used to be considered as part of that group. Well, in particular, as you look at what we're doing with magic, the gathering in our new arena product which has gone into open beta, what we're really offering that audience and that consumer and that gamer is the opportunity to play in the digital space. We built that product ourselves. We're publishing it in open beta. It's really exceeding. Our expectations were getting great feedback from our gamers, and we'll roll to an official launch early in two thousand nineteen. And as we go forward, you're going to see a suite of mobile and PC based games for magic. The gathering as well as dungeons and dragons, and wizards of the coast is really activating our whole activity in that space. And the other thing about magic, the gathering that's fantastic is it's been a competitive card game for so many years in tournament based game, and that allows us to go into east sports. It really gives us an opportunity and you'll see in announcement for us shortly talking about how we're going to enter into east sports in a major way. That is excellent. I know the stock act it much better than I think a lot of people thought it would. That's because a lot of us knew that it was going to be a tough Carter quarterback better. Things are head. Thank you, Brian. Goater chairman, CEO of Hasbro. Great to see you, sir. Thanks, Jim. I remain convinced this is the best. It really steal. One of the one left the whole darn thing. I think the Pels got real issues has broke out. Great balance sheet. Got a great future for twenty nine hundred nine. Everyone's back. Even the week for most of the market was breaking down some stand out, take the f. Corp, the apparel tighten my vans, north face timberland, a host of other brands that you're familiar with. This is a company I adore with the stock that I've recommended repeatedly over the years. So in via for reported on Friday in the stock went into freefall plunging nearly eleven percent of single you better believe. I notice first of all before you anything else I need to eat some crow here. Well, I told you to expect that the stock might come under pressure. My game plan the week before I didn't expect a mail telling this, however, market made a big mistake here at the end of an emotional panic. Phil week investors saw an imperfect quarter from Corp, so that aside to shoot first and ask questions later, but because they dumped a high quality stock, I think you now getting a chance to buy it at discount towards urge to betray the. I'm not saying that everything was right here me out, but I think it's too low. So to help you understand what Tatton's here I wanna put under the microscope before we hit to the quarter, though. You need to remember why we liked the stock so much in the first. Last month. We did a deep dive into corporate explained that there are two big things happening. I the company spinning off its slower grow growing denim business early next year. And second once that happens, VF will be a much more focused company with an incredible lifestyle brand. And that brand is known as vans. They take them what was once a niche sneaker brand for us. Skippers turn to a charge gross store. Maybe one of the best out there. That's why we liked the f. Corp. When I recommended the stock a month ago, I told you to be prepared by the weakest. Granted. I didn't expect this much, but there's no doubt that the long way to go back has indeed arrived. So what happened to crush the stock when via Friday, device Corp reporter, big sales. Did they slashed guidance? No, not at all. In fact, if you look at the headline numbers really complicated, but if you look at the headline numbers, there was a lot to like about the f.. The revenue from continuing operations came in higher than expected. Fifteen percent year veer organic revenue was up six percent while the company's gross margins, what it makes it costs a good sold was flat for the quarter. It did increase by seventy basis points from organic basis, meaning without the impact of acquisitions as for the earnings VF made a buck forty, three per share whilst she was only looking for buck thirty three so far, so good, right. How about the guidance will be of Corp actually raised its full-year revenue forecast lately, and they tighten their earnings forecasts. Both numbers were pretty much in line with expectations, so so far we got a good opportunity to buy. Right. We got good one. What about the individual brands? The two largest vans which we told you. We really like and north face vans is up twenty six percent. That's patacula. The north is up five percent more than that in a second timber, Liam down two percent not great Wrangler in lead to big jeans company that I'm so worried about them. Glad that they're leaving. Let's call them awful. Okay. Wrangler down five lead down nine. But remember if gore is spinning off this stuff, it's going away. Yeah, and that's going to happen early next year, precisely because they don't want to be in the Denham business anymore. And moving into Denver the route trying to break away from this old image. Okay. Oh, and of corpse direct to consumer business Bubis nineteen percent, and your fueled by red hot digital division, which coup by food, eight percent. That's quick number. We love wanna Powell makers cut out that middleman because the mortars online sales are much higher than the margins when they sell the merchandise to a department store. If you're thinking number sound pretty good and scratch your head about why the heck the core stock crumble on Friday. I do not blame you. It's one of the mysteries of our business. It's so confusing drives people way. Let's explain the darn thing opened. Three point, six percent. Then it got worse as the session went on all fishing down ten point, seven percents someone went out of this stock real bad three weeks ago. This was a ninety three dollar stock. Now it's a seventy seven. So what went wrong? First and foremost Corp was victim of great expectations to Kensington issue here as Bank titled the role their note after the storm quarter. I love this strong gains advance, but investors were looking for more second. There were plenty of real negatives in there, especially in the conference call which was not a good call. Frankly, in particular v Corp sources. A lot of its version dies from China. As I said, the top of the show eleven percent at the moment and that has people very worried because of all the trade dispute that, you know, I'm taking very seriously. I've seen more seriously than most people because I see no sign of being resolved anytime soon. And in this prepared remarks at the start of the call CEO Steve rent Rendell whose real good said they could position global sourcing footprint to mitigate the impact of any additional tariffs. However, VF bosses sell some products in China. Continued expansion, the People's Republic. It's kind of great long-term theme that I like for peril rental. Notice it, their Chinese business as being, let's say, and you quoted thus far unfazed by geopolitical rhetoric. But and then the far is, let's say, well, it's doing a lot of work in the sense right thus far to me means, well, who knows next still Charlie Castro for little over two percent, of course sales. So it's not as part of the mix. So I'm not going to hold that against. Now. You could argue that Renos was merely doing the responsible thing laying out the potential Chinese risk. He sought to reassure vespers that so far from the is fine. But the problem with doing the responsible thing in this market is that it gives the bears a lot of. Immediately the analysts. The question for question the question about how bad John is gonna get get you believe that in so far this is doing fine. Unfortunately, investors have been turning on anything with Chinese exposure to percent of the business on top of the trumped up China woes, not a joke trumped up the numbers from facing timberland their second and third largest brands. They were disappointed. Okay. This disappointing numbers while north face is still growing at a decent clip. This was a slowdown in all regions outside the Americas. Now, communica response to that saying that they said a lot of the orders from their biggest customers got pushed out into the next quarter part of a broader shift. In the way we tillers time their orders. I dunno as Scott row, the CFO explain once you realize for that shift, they're seeing quote, even greater strength looking forward and quote, he continued quote, we have at this point really visibility to the orderbook end quote. So you know what? I'm not worried. I think he's guy should get the benefit. Obviously the market didn't feel that way, Tim. Oh, no, no. Benefit of the doubt. This was just real problem here, Thursday quarter of bed, numbers that said right now timberlands working like crazy to diversify beyond its core old school boots and into new categories. Rental told us that they're seeing a lot of momentum in their women's business, especially women's professional footwear while timberland was down. Two percent thinks that long-term. It can be a mid single digit grower. Again, when imagine team as seasoned, as this says something, unlike the analysts and the brokers on onboard. Finally, there was the hideous weakness in that Denham business, the Wrangler leans jeans. Now you never want to see numbers like that, but I don't think these were particularly relevant since the corpse get rid of the division with the next few months. So what did you do with the stock of now? This was not a lose ten percent of your value in a single day quarter. I think the stock is a bargain, your trading at less than one thousand nine hundred dentures assessments. The core of the growth story, the strength of vans and direct to consumer is still very much intact. In fact this morning piper Jaffray fantastic. Retail team released the results of their annual full teen survey. And van scored so well that the is fingers could triple North America. The bottom line via Corp reported eight good, but not perfect quarter. It just had the misfortune of reporting during a panic. So the stock just got a Blida rate. I bar down here as I think this has become a steal at these levels. Certainly return to excellent growth. Once it says the genes position goes on in the rapidly expanding businesses that we like so much. Let's go to leak in Melita. You wanted display and love your show. You're smart intelligent person. You bring creativity and fun illustration. And regarding your talk about the market. I just got into investing a little over a year ago and here's old and most of the stock joint by have our retail in. And in Cairns have medic. Okay. What are your thoughts regarding rouse more and I know due to the and download the market you last week, I had five hundred shares and they fell to fifty. And like today it went up like four dollars and the fifteen cents. So what you recommend, this is what you really locate every day because it trades so crazily. But the up four is a lot better than I think this is now very well run company. I always thought Mr. Lawrenson absolutely terrific. But this new CEO is just great. I want to. I want you to hold onto that stock. I think it's terrific. All right. Let's go to Jim in South Carolina, Jim. We are grammar Jinping South Carolina here. All right, what's up? My question is with the massive decline, stitch fix but percents in the last thirty days. Is there any chance for recovering back to the fifty level? Where should I? I, I'll tell you I really respect and like Katrina light, but that was not a good quarter. And in this business, honestly, when you report a not good quarter that early on in your public existence, there's no forgiveness. You have to have a couple of good. She's got to have a couple of quarters before anyone comes back to that one. Hey, that's the way it is to not all sell offs or creating Corp, had the sports reporting during a quarter panic. I think it's a by level, but money. This might be ugly, but there's still some opportunities right now. I'm old line tech company that could be worth picking up our Bill the name when I tackle the technicals, then ignore at your own risk doctor trying to tell something and Jay, pow really does want here. I'll tell you why. It's got me shook and oracles right in front of the night in round. So stay with Kramer. Tomorrow kickoff. The trading day was squawk on the street. Live from post nine at the NYSE on craziest box right now. It's the five whole the world partner. A ton of information. It all starts at ninety m eastern. Anyone for feeling dispirited here. This stock bunkers become a lot less welcoming over the past few weeks or house. That define action downright worrisome more on that later. But even when things get really ugly, even when you just want to sell everything and stick your head in the sand. So you don't need to watch the carnage. I'm telling you to keep your eyes open for opportunities, and that's really the mad money credo. I think it's we're searching for these kinds of opportunities even on ugly days. Like when the Dow goes down, NASDAQ did go Har. Granted, it requires a lot of intestinal fortitude to hold your nose and to buy something here. A lot of times I wanna put some hot sauce in the names I wanna buy. Maybe I'd like them more. So let's talk about finding touchstones in a very tough environment where it's really difficult to try to make money. Regular viewers know that I find the market's recent action disconcerting. I try to listen to what companies are telling us right in with the stocks or showing us more importantly right now feels like they're saying, well, we got to have a slowdown, courtesy of the fed and trae board as Louis new fed chief. Jerome Powell very good man, six to guns and keeps insisting when he three more rate hikes next year on top of the upcoming rate hike in December, I'm gonna have a hard time feeling sanguine about this market, but you know what? There are the ways to valuate stocks. Maybe Powell changes. Maybe there's something the fundamentals just aren't capturing. And that's why every week we go off the charts, checking in with some of the best technicians on earth, see what they had to say. Because sometimes the charts tell it different story. And while the charts are far from perfect and tough point, they become extra valuable because they're emotionless emotionless touchstones the charts. Don't panic when we go down. They don't get you four when we have a temporary best. Which is a Halla Thon if you recall last week, but Mark Sebastian predicted that the market would have another leg. Damn, we spoke to him last Tuesday after that big rally for few people felt like that. But Mark, Sebastian, read it right emotions get in the way, so we'll keep the technicals can be very helpful and tough market. And that's why tonight we're doing while a doozy regarding off the charts with the help of Larry Williams, the semi mythical technician who's been trading futures commodities and stocks more than fifty years and has made us a lot of money. We Ames's the legend. He's written nearly a dozen books created a bunch of textile indicators, many which are named after him, and he's got his own website where he teaches people to become better traders. I really trade dot com. That's right. I really trade dot com. When we makes a prediction, you do well to listen, especially when his calls him to go against the conventional wisdom and, oh boy, we're going against the now, for example, at this moment he really likes. I've you have IBM of all things that's very ibn. He thinks his poise rally or even though the stock has been a total house of pain. Remember m just reported last week. Okay. And the results were widely viewed as being very disappointing. The company spent years trying to embrace new faster, growing businesses, the cloud, Watson, artificial intelligence, and the would offset the long term decline. The old IBM called the incumbent IBM. But in this last quarter, Tim workout couples have overall revenue slow by two percent, even the faster growing parts for weaker than expected. But man, I b m the stock. It has come down a lot with it bouncing along at levels. We haven't seen since January twenty. Sixteen member of the stock market is much lower. So why does Williams think the stock is ready to rebound what did you look at this weekly chart which shows a couple of very important things you got the action IBM in black. Okay, that's easy enough to understand. And then in red, you've got a combination of two cycles. We always look at how stocks trade in the past. Victor future direction in the case of IBM there too dominant cycles. Okay. This is very interesting stuff, and I learned a lot here when it comes to every three hundred and twenty five days and another one hundred and forty five days when you combine them, which is what he thought and you get the red light. Okay. Look at this. This is really cool in terms of being a head of the curve. Now these cycles would have predicted the recent declines in IBM stock, right? You would have gotten that one see before it went down. Got that. Okay. More importantly, when you project them forward, they suggest the stock could be ready to roar hire, not just go our but rule. I don't know what's good occur to make it happen. But let's just let's just take the charter and its word next up. Check out this charter by bam, which is the typical seasonal pattern. The stock in red Williams wants to see all the stock trades in an average year and Getty finds it. You usually get a terrific rally started in the last week of October. Well, Hello. If you IBM in late October of last year or in two thousand sixteen you a very nice trade. All right. It's worked. Member. This is the IBM seasonal pattern. This is the reality. Okay, but how reliable is this pattern? I mean, this is fanciful or is it fact I sometimes joke the technical analysis. He was a little like strategy you're looking for on Aquarius. They tell me you're looking for all sorts of formations, but there's no guarantee that having the right sign, we'll actually give you the results you want. However, even if we don't necessarily understand why it works, some of these patterns are lot were bankable than others. When Williams ran the numbers. Just again, I love this guy. He found that buying IBM on the nineteenth trading day of October nineteenth. Okay, nineteen. Dave Tober has produced forty eight winning trades over the last forty, eight years as low as using dollar stop, and then you hold it for five days and sell. Once you get up day after that forty eight out of forty eight. I don't know. I mean as things go pretty good, right. Of course, the thing about that go now says it works until. Maybe this year the pattern doesn't hold. It becomes forty eight, four out forty nine, but at the very least Williams has good reason to think that IBM maybe poised for least short-term bouncier. So maybe this is one of those that you'd go for. If you think that that tech rally today spreads finally and most important. I'm watching ticket gate at this daily charter vibe, which includes one of Williams's proprietary indicators stuff that he created. This is the Williams Cotsee UT as high a tool that helps us figure out whether big institutional money managers are buying or selling think of the blue line, right? As the measure of informed buying at high levels for meeting, they've got money and they've done a lot of work right now. This chart suggests that the big boys are buying. I'd m. hand over fist. Pretty interesting. Maybe they're attracted IBM's value stock at these levels. Got good. You're right. Maybe they believe the federal relent things will be able to balance. Maybe they think that the tech rally today is for real. It is included IBM no matter what. The one thing we know about institutional bias at tends to send stocks higher. There's so much look at this. They can close that gap without a problem. Now, here's the bottom on this market has gotten pretty ugly. I'm not tonight I hated the late last ten minutes. We had a real rally going. I said it on Twitter. I thought that they could finish. They only finish on the NASDAQ, but sometimes the charts can point you to opportunities, unlikely places right now, the charts as interpreted by the lender. Larry Williams suggests that IBM. I mean, I've been buying your. Membranes back into the break. The earnings over Linda's, but Kramer has burned the midnight oil and he's ready to run the Gumbo all week. Kramer sits down with some of the markets. Most influential see sweet players join that money from must see interviews. You can't afford to miss. Is time. And then the lightning rounds ever. Are you ready? Big data cover the light around Giorgio in Illinois Giorgio, but pup up. Mr. Kramer swayed. I'm a young investor and I would like to take for all they can do it is truly appreciate. Hi, you're very tight. Thank you very much with tech backed by Dodie up and down and earnings. Just a few weeks away and its recent partnership with doom video is dropback currently a by. I think dropbox seems to have settled down to a level where I think a lot of people feel comfortable with it. It's it's doing quite well. When we sat down with the company, we felt pretty good about it in the stock just kept going more. I think he's trying to bottom your. Let's go to David in Texas. David. Protect your first time caller. Oh, excellent. Good. Have first timers, what's going on. Going about ticker j. k. h. y.. Fintech Comey's. Nobody's ever heard of. I like it. Let's go to kneel in Georgia, Neil. Hey, Jim, I thought the euro tied own that her man, you could beat a lot of NFL teams what's up. Okay. Company is the trade debt. All man, this one's hot as a pistol, but you know what the market is turned on. Big momentum's stocks. I will say it's diverging from the content of the businesses. Great, but the stock could be under pressure because of supplementing tough things that are going on in the NASDAQ right now, let's go to Pete in Maine, Pete. Jim Boulia from the great state of Maine, honoring an Kerbala to speak with you what's up. I have a question for you. I choir myself. I bought myself Albermarle ninety five April and it's been hovering there little little down. Is that a stock I should keep right now create opportunities. There's just a lot of good chemicals within that one, and it's held up much better than everybody else. Let's go to Joe in New York. Joe. Jim, Joe from Long Island. All right, not tonight is cloud era. I've been a holder the IPO, but announced the merger with fort works. If you weeks back, I. Ted's it. They've been going at it to to now. Now there's actual chance for the combined coming things could make a lot of money. I liked yet with this in very much. Let's go to j in New York king Williams decrane we aren't. You give me a pitch out advisor TD from Atlantic City, and I had a question on Palo Alto networks come down a bit. And what do you think of the company for action alerts? Why? Because if there was an article today about Facebook when you get into into security, I think everybody wants kids during Powell out the best shorts, bad enough Verdy although mad when we thank you for telling me the driver's door awhile and that way. Other round. Round is sponsored by TD Ameritrade. I knew the averages look relatively placid today at least compared to the hideous milk counts from last week. But in the beginning, Caesar, masking some tremendous weakness. We something. That we have so many breakdowns of so many groups last week that it was. Worst than was going down as what's going up. The best performing stocks here are the ones you reach for when you fear that we're going into abra Sam. When I heard the charts this weekend, the only winners last week when utilities the recession stocks, you could have thrown a darts at the stocks and you would make money the worship until they have followed. I energy actually performed the best. How bad is that? Put it this way you to or the worst leadership group imaginable. It's like being led by general Custer. You know, that's something well, other than that through a handful of health insurance to put up some points. Another recession, proof group as well as Dollar General WalMart and Ross stores. In other words, the recession retailers plain and simple. The individual carnage is instructive because while many investors are beginning to realize that most stocks can't possibly handle being stuck between the tariffs fed rate hikes, the vast majority of pundits keep insisting that the fed is right. Why? Because the employment numbers are so strong people. This is crazy talk. First of all employment rate, it's a, it's an historic lagging indicator. If you want to make a forecast about the future, which is all really that matters. It's the last thing you should be looking at, but you know what's great. Poor kissing machine, the stock market, and if you wanna believe that the fed is right to tighten four more times, you need to lure the fact that the home builders like toll brothers, k, b homes d. r. Horton, Luna mar have seen their stocks just get a Visser rated. I scrutinize the torture, say, warehouse, your volka materials, Martin Marietta materials, US concrete homedepot Terex United rentals, mo- p. p. and g. dozens of others that are in the construction and construction of housing in particular. It scream slowdown yet. I honestly believed that fed chief. Jerome Powell looked at these stocks. It might mean nothing to him. He's becoming like a racehorse with blinkers on what is the action means so much to me because historically, these kinds of breakdown bit arbiters of some really severe economic downturns. Now, there are many other charts scream out in the tech world, including any cloud stocks in the data center stocks and the internet of things stocks and they've been pummeled, you'll get a respite when say, Lam research ports, good quarter that's symmetric Whitman company, but then the selling begins new while Facebook, Amazon alphabet rally today, the fact remains textile problem. You know what it is. There's too much stock supply protect. We have way too many clouds socks have been created, which makes it very difficult for anything in this category to find its footing. Then there's a sending conductor stocks, Mike, your best talent uninvested group at it's awful. However, if it's it's the housing related stocks like Mascow fortune brands, home and security that lead me really. They're both got about thirty five percent from their highs. Those hideous moves justed five percent. Mortgage rates are an anathema to people wanna remodel by taking out expensive home equity loans, proxy Los ingredients performers last super the industrials. The perfect bookends to the collapse of housing because they're under attack from both the trae more fed. Can you imagine how can the fed get even more hawkish when it seems like the president has passed when the president has passed the point of no return when it comes to go them with China, it's not a trade war, just full stop. Sure. The Chinese market rally, four percent last night, but you know what? Thanks to the trade War. I don't see that helping our companies. Let the be screwed it from any turn in China's economy because of politics. That doesn't seem to matter pal either, but maybe these stocks are all wrong, everyone. Maybe the fact that CSX went Dan into that fantastic quarter means nothing possibly shouldn't even care about people g Wabash national. Maybe the fed things that the action, the stock market is arbitrary, capricious, and random. If that's what pal believes, then he's not gonna blink, but he's more in touch with reality. This would be great time to say, we'll reassess after the December rate hike. Those words would send us soaring higher, but whether or not will hear them. That's an. Tonight, Margaritas to episodes starting at a special time, nine o'clock. I afford to masterminds at thirty seven million dollars insurance foot and lives. 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Game Plan, Micron CEO, Quantumscape CEO & Hyzon Motors CEO

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This morning's jobless claims number came in disappointingly. High fat is terrible. If you look for work but it's fabulous for wall street because it means the federal reserve won't feel compelled to raise interest rates anytime soon. See cheap j. pal wants to keep fighting unemployment rather than inflation and this data makes it easier for to stick to his guns for gross doc buyers to khumalo work and by their face again. And that's how the market could rally with the s. p. jumping one point one eight percent new all time high gallup one hundred and seventy two points and the nasdaq or all those once. Four loan super gross stocks surged one point seven six percent. Now i know it sounds counterintuitive if you want to higher stock prices. Do you need to things though you need. Better than expected. Earnings and bed non inflationary news about the economy so that the fed doesn't see the need to today. Jay got a terrific excuse to keep easy money flowing. And you know what that's exactly what's needed after. President biden rollout out a mass of two point two five trillion dollar jobs program yesterday. Which brings us to our game plan now tomorrow. We get the labor department's monthly non payroll report in the day off for having with the still do that now. It might be softer than expected. Given today's suboptimal jobless claims remember. That's what kind of got. Don't the market's close for good friday. But when we come in on monday we're gonna be reacting all right. We're going to be reacting to the number that comes out tomorrow. Eight thirty and once again bad news is good. News wouldn't shock me if it's weaker than expected on tuesday. We have an analyst with one of the strongest stocks in this market applied materials. I think the semiconductor equipment maker may use that meeting to raise numbers perhaps substantially because of that worldwide chip shortage. We talked so much about so demand for manufacturing equipment is just off the charts. Don't last night. Taiwan semiconductor one of those four companies on earth committed to spending off hundred billion dollars an equipment of the next three years. That's an increased one. It's been talking about no wonder materials in its peers. Koa and lam research have all been red hot later in the show. We're going to hear from mike. Crime the commodity chipmaker really deserves to be called proprietary chipmaker these days there reporter stunningly. Good quarter last night. They told a story of incredible demand. I expect the prices keep soaring so chipmakers. We'll keep needing more capacity which means a stock like applied materials up at astonishing sixty four percent. This year should actually amazingly have more room to run. We also hear from paychecks. I expected to trade down no matter what the company has to say. Why is that because come to post earnings pattern incredibly system payroll processor. Human resource consultant has had to deal with this simply for years. Now see there. A bunch of negative analysts urban-rural. All the way up they'll most likely stay raw giving you a chance to buy paychecks. Some weakness even reports a great quarter. Hey speaking of weakness. I have clear something up right. He's got to get this off my chest and start this morning. I was dead wrong about cormac just last week during the game plan. I figured this used car dealer was almost a can't miss situation. I thought they reported great quarter. Ti said that to you because there is such a huge demand for vehicles right. Now we just heard cortana. That was magnificent. Lithium motors is right is just incredible. But there's been not enough new ought not new cars. Thanks to the chip short. So i figured how could cor- max blow it but they gift giving us a disappointing top and bottom line miss. The stock plunged seven percent today. At the tell you when. I read to the conference call as sick as i was because of client. It did make me feel. There was a bit of an overreaction. I think cormac stock is very attractive. Coming out of the pandemic but the call rub the analysts the wrong way because they're like we all figured they had to do a good number in other words. Today's pullback might be a good opportunity to buy. The stock future will be brighter than the results. Lead you to believe but they and yes. I should have done better. Feel for the open wednesday we get the weekly mortgage application numbers. We need to seek and kenya momentum housing because been one of the strongest teams in this market. I think it remains a great story as long as interest rates stay low or at least relatively low because so many people are moving from the cities to the suburbs and the country They actually literally go around the country. That's why that tractor supply in response to the pandemic economy opens. It looks like remote work is here to stay. Lots of big companies are adopting. What's called a hybrid schedule. Some days in the office some days working from home and that's to keep boosting the housing market for a long time. A world where you can work from home is where we can tolerate a long commute if it means you get more space which is exactly why so. Many people are being their apartments next up on thursday. We've got a plethora big names reporting. I from constellation brands. Conagra and levi. Strauss close now constantly. Negative research pieces the other day that suggested beer the beer and liquor company which is fantastic grower might deliver light quarter thanks to weakness in texas the devastation from the superstorm jury. Which again i keep pointing out about or talked about enough may actually hurt the earnings text big market for them. Now you know constellations grown and miguel. It's been responsible for all the growth in its category and long term. I think betting against his company is a mugs. Gave sustained close. Remember also if washing ever legalize marijuana nationwide constellation setup. The best candidates company can't be growth. Because they already under you chunk of what a kicker that could be. How about this conagra. It's been able to put up some good numbers. Thanks to some excellent brand extensions positions its dominance in the frozen food aisle. Now i do worry as with all the other food. Companies that conagra. My tempers forecast because of concerns about reopening. But this has been one of the standouts in a pretty ni. Group asked for levi. Strauss we've been used supported this one while others fled the stock on nassar's the pandemic wash over the market last year. We urge you to stick with it. And i'm glad we did. Because it's come mooring back so many. Investors were worried about retail and genuine powell in particular. But now they're beloved displays. great reopening. I just wish levi. Strauss is doc. Had so much we know. Pva train abused its results and then the stock got blasts. It fairly good number. So why don't we see how levi behaves going into the earnings finally get some insight into a number that i never used to care about but into the producer price index. See this is the big fear right now that one you know the i see the inflation in lumber. I see it in plastics metals. Semiconductors i think this ppi number could run hot so should you be nervous about it. Remember when j pal vowed to keep rates low. Last time he also added that the inflation would spike knows. He even saying this is going to be number. Next friday we get the spike in the market. Should prepare for it because he told us to be prepared. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's totally baked in the bottom on was still one more record. Gain in the s p. Five hundred. you'd think would press in our bets here to stay long. Yesterday i suggested that the katrin rally in tech who continue for a few more days so far that forecast dance but without a coup employment number. Tomorrow i expect the reopening stocks through the banks need to come back invoke on the wall street fashion show sometime next week. Let's go to ezekiel in. new york. Ezekiel boulia appreciate what you do. For the people of all ages thank you aku critical like to give a shot that belly family and my fiance some here to talk about kindle do with a ticker pdd chinese e com commerce company. I saw all the way to two hundred from fifty last year. Subaru might pull back here. Do you think the by considering all the bad news. Getting some chinese names you. So i know it's a growth. Etf favourite. I totally get that. I have endorsed alibaba. And i liked by do i think j. d.'s very good. I could add this company. But i've really. I'm really out there with three stocks. That's how much. I dislike the shanghai market. I'm gonna stick with my three. I understand that this is a ban growth. Save check in ohio jack. Thanks for taking my call jimmy. Of course check what's up with people. Starting to get out more work. Seems like for the past month. Every time you drive by their drive through lines are always very busy with the recent run-up of the stock. Do you think it's too late to add more to my already holdings of starbucks boy. I own this stock by chapel transaction say for actual as plus dot com. You can join the club. Find out more about it. I would not come in at this level. Because i think you could get a quick trade and get a better chance but you're absolutely right. They are now hitting on all cylinders. United states is coming dot com for them and My congratulations to kevin johnson from negotiating burr difficult period. They're taking up a lot of lease banning. I want you to keep an eye on the reopening stocks. I think they're gonna come back into the wall street fashion show if this number okay. We get a hot number. We'll look out. Those are the only ones that are gonna go up money tonight. I'm sitting down with the co micron fresh report to find out what the chip maker's sydney for the future. Now there's an industrial. It's that's red hot then. Quantum scape led the. Ev plays hard. Today is why it added another hundred million dollars. Suits investments company the ceo to get an update and the damage has shifted greatly in the world us of specs right the mergers as investors have become somewhat apathetic in the space so could the recent accident in a very speculative stock highs. Art be red or a buying up on talking to the stay with kramer. Don't miss a second of mad money. Follow at jim cramer on twitter. I have a question. Tweet gramer hashtag mad tweets send jimmy mail to mad money at cnbc dot com or give us a call at one eight hundred seven. Four three cnbc. Miss something. ed tha mad money dot. Cnbc dot com. Cnbc's workforce executive council is the premier group. We'll see swede human resources executives from leading companies across the country it offers a members only portland chat plus exclusive industry contact with access to breaking news calls and digital networking experiences the network and resources. Hr leaders need now. Apply to the workforce executive council at cnbc councils dot com slash w. e. c. whole tech sector came roaring back today. I'm not sure how much staying power all the stocks will had. But i know one group. That is incredible. I am talking about the booming semiconductor business right. Now we've got a huge chip. Being chipmakers have incredible pricing power case in point last we got some fantastic results from micron commodity chipmaker. This really not much of a commodity chipmaker anymore. T rams flash memory amazing volumes. Good quarter. i mean by chrome pre-announced trump numbers getting march but the full rundown beat even these elevator expectations even better management gave you a terrific forecast for the next quarter. Commentary was incredibly. Bush microns seeing strength across the virtual virtually every single market with excellent pricing power both flash and d-rams and they see this continuing through the rest of your port was some stores numbers. Don't even matter. let's take. Don't take this from me. Let's check him sanjay maroteaux. He's the president and ceo of fight crime at one of my absolute favorite. Ceo's the learn about the quarter. And what's next. Mr barocco back to van buddy. Hi jim good to be unusual again. Sunday when the stock was it forties and fifties. You had a premonition. basically but of course things aren't a theater like that you saw the booming end markets coming. But even you sir. You've got to be surprised at the strength of so many different markets. We are very excited. Jim about the strength in multiple end markets from cloud data sent enterprise data center to the intelligent edge. Pc's smartphones automotives in. All of these are driving. Strong growth in demand for our products and micron is executing well on the technology and product front as well to the pandemic jim we have really emerged stronger with solid execution with technology and product leadership without one for denote in one hundred. Seventy six this that board for the first time in the history of the company both of these i in the industry simultaneously so excited about the portrait is well. That's why i take candidly. I i would hope you to double down by buying coke yet which is a japanese chipmaker that may or may not be for sale. The wall street journal mentioned it. I'm sure it's hard to talk about whether you'll make a bid you have to admit that nance strong enough flashes strata. They might be worth doing so that we don't really comment on industry rumors or speculation with respect to nand what i can tell you is as i mentioned. Are one hundred seventy six nine. We're the first ones in the industry already starting to shape this product and this will drive our growth of nand business in terms of revenue as well as in terms of profitability. Not only through the rest of the year in twenty twenty one but also will be course of technology in twenty two timeframe so we have a solid plan and to strengthen the return on investments and at the same time d. Damn just seventy five percent of our business micron is executing well and the demand drivers are strong in this age of your data every application needs more. Memory in micron well-poised. I believe to drive stellar financial results. Over the course of next several quarters. We are very confident. In our demand outlook through twenty twenty one as well as in twenty two as the world economy's rebound from the pandemic. Now i thought of you. Last night i listened to the president and i said look they want to do something to help build foundries in this country and then i said to myself well if i were sawn jay i say hey. That's not fair. I've been building foundries we we. We've done everything you're supposed to do. I mean there is some kind of an inequity here. don't you think so. First of all let me tell you that. We are really very appreciative of the us government. The congress and the administration in terms of falcons focusing on the need for driving innovation competitiveness in global leadership for the us semiconductor industry. This is clearly important. Because the semiconductors form the backbone of everything today in the economy's micron of course has been as you noted we have been manufacturers fab in manassas virginia headquarters out of boise idaho and the world's best memory. Rnd center driven out of boise. Idaho and having a global footprint of manufacturing in taiwan in singapore in japan malaysia china. So we are very very diversified. Which today we consider as a competitive advantage. But we really appreciate that mistreats efforts and we of course continue to monitor a look at these trends because as the only company in the us that semiconductor memory and storage which by the way semiconductor memory and storage makes up nearly thirty percent of the worldwide semiconductor production so we are really leader in memory and storage the only us company. You're definitely excited about the prospects of driving greater leadership in research technology and products through. Us as well as the worldwide basis for driving innovation agenda offer customers worldwide. Now i wanted to ask you because you've been one these putting up things but a lot of others haven't are we running risk hours. Listen to your call that we're going to do something we used to do. Which is the people. The cac sin increase that much volumes went up. The price went up and then suddenly everybody came out with with with more cap. Bax in the we a bust again. 'cause you know under your stewardship. I thought that era was over. I thought we just had the big secular game never started getting worried. Oh boy when people go to start chasing price and we could have a boss that possible. So jim via of course extremely disciplined in terms of investing in cap ix and making sure that our supply bit growth is aligned with demand growth expectations nor just from quarter to quarter burt. On a multiple year kager cumulative average growth rate basis. This is important discipline to drive. Supply growth through technology transitions which provide highly turn on investments and keeping that supply growth align with the expectations of the demand growth. And if you look at the industry through the cycle from the last off in two thousand sixteen to i mean to the one in two thousand eight hundred twenty. The dm industry profitability actually has been very healthy strong margins. Strongly turns on return on investments and industry has shown cap ex discipline which is important and micron through the twenty sixteen through twenty twenty timeframe actually has driven revenue growth of seventy percent we have driven ebitda margins fifty percent gross margins of forty percent on an average through the cycle return on investment of twenty percent. So i think you can see this. New micron is very different. Driving for technology and product leadership and financial strength and of course disciplined growth. So we are not just about cycle. It really is the growth story. Here you really are and those margins versus what i remember micron times in my life are very different and you are just precisely on point with that with those predictions happen multiple years john. J wrote to president. Ceo micron congratulations on the best of the group. Great to see you sir to be here sanjay just gave you an outlook that is so different from the white that i used to trade in the ninety nine hundred ninety s by hedge fund. Two thousand always been boom bust not anymore. I think it's secular growth and that makes the stock go higher these levels man. But he's back bringing coming non with the stock. That's burning rubber. Over a major investment from another motive icon. Is this company ready to take a quantum leap above the competition. Charge up those batteries kramer steps into the accelerator for an interview. You can't afford the next. Cnbc's workforce executive council is the premier group sweet human resources executives from leading companies across the country. It offers a members. Only portal and chat plus exclusive industry contact with access to breaking news calls and digital networking experiences the networking resources. Hr leaders need now. Apply to the workforce executive council at cnbc councils dot com slash wnyc. Is it nice to see it. Electric vehicle spach deliver on his promises. So many of these stores have gone up smoke lately. I don't wanna accuse anyone of any sort of malfeasance or anything but let's just say the people running some of these electric backs. we're way way to promotional. I mean just just say romeo power battery technology play slashes guys roughly eighty percent. They only made that forecast six months ago. What the heck this background keeps taking. Its cue from cole porter. Anything goes but there are still some goldberg with all that. Spectra us last night kramer. Faith quantum scape the company. That's trying to reinvent electric vehicle. Batteries now say successfully major technical milestone that will allow them to get an additional one million investment from maybe the most important vehicle company on earth volkswagen. And that's why quantum's a rally more than ten percent today. It made a lot of sense for to do that now. The stock has been hammer like a lot of other companies for over sixty four dollars a week and a half go two hundred fifty day because it's exactly kind of high flying growth stock mortgage turn against but this is a real companies real technology fabulous partnership with a major automaker if rallies temporary and it keeps getting hit by that spyglass goes lower. So that's why we got dig deeper with jagdeesh singh the co founder chairman. Ceo of quantum escape in a real business person. A scientist get better. Says while so means mr seeing welcome back to buddy all right. So this is a major accomplishment by a company that is so committed. Maybe the most committed in the world of large manufacturers to clean skies feels. So why don't you explain to people how important it is that they gave you this hundred million dollars. Yeah great point really about your hitting expectations. We've been pretty careful about that. We've tried to say what we're going to do and then do always going to do. And you obviously. In december we announced the performance data from ourselves which was pretty pretty amazing Data life which is ourselves very exciting for the industry all that up always in february earnings call with a multi layer results which was a big milestone. I don't think alex for expecting at that early. And then yesterday we announced that we had met this milestone that we had set up with be w when we entered into our elastic them over a year ago and the maas basically involved testing a specific cells that were designed to their specific gut dimensions at a specified of power and temperature conditions specified number recycles cycles and the cells hitting all those milestones and as a result of unlawful hundred billion dollar investment. So up so far so good. I think about what we aren't feeling this positions as well to continue to execute in. Well i thought of you. Last night i listened to the president. The president is saying a lot of people are saying. We got a jumpstart this industry. It's way too expensive. The average corsi ten thousand dollars more than a regular car. But when i listened to what you said for instance at this battery seminar series which i was a little tough for me. I was a lot of words. You are talking about a battery. That is safer that is faster conceivably cheaper charges in short period of time. And it's all in here. You've talked to you about something. Most importantly that's not incremental. This is not an incremental change. It's a seismic you've explained to our people why you're not just tinkering. This is dick absolutely. I think this is a great observation. There jimothy here. There's a few key things that are that have been missing of that have kept these from being competitive with the combustion engine and you mentioned all of them. We need greater density long range. We need faster. Charts times tower tendency. We need save operations. We need all life. All five of those things turns out that we deliver all five thing things not by bolting together five different solutions but by making one key change which is replace the carbon monoxide with lithium metal entered. Which is in turn enabled by the solid state electrolytes that we have in our cell. That's the force this material that took us ten years to develop the once. You have that that material you can. You can enable that lithium metal entered and hit all five of those benefits in one swoop so It's it's very exciting. We mean it's great that the administration is so supportive of this electrified. Transition that is critical for two missions but our view is the day Government policy is not enough. You've got to have a product that people want to buy and we think that people wanna buy warning vs once they're more competitive with combustion engines. That's really the promise of doing. You're actually right. If i live of those things as key points to close that narrow that gap believes in transition phase. I don't wanna put you out on a limb because you are removed. The one of the few companies in this space that has not over promised but i think people may not know how big volkswagen is and what we need is scale. I keep hearing about these projects. It's five hundred. Here's one thousand there but if you develop something for vw tell people how big really i mean. These guys are staggeringly big. I mean they're selling north of ten million cars a year. They're consistently among the top. You know home. Two or three largest economies in the world and their commitment electric vacation is right now. Second did not going all in to electric powertrains and there was some talk about them being renamed two volts bag and. I don't know how real but the point is they're they're all in if other power always ago outlandish very big commitment Mentioned quantum state as sort of the end game for for batteries Can play a role there but really you know if they and chief their goals of of getting a few million cars electrified five amid decade. That would be on the order of a few tens of billions of cells of ours billions of sellers tens of billions of dollars in revenue. So it's a staggeringly big numbers to be candid. We're not gonna be able to build factories acid after willing address that entire demand that one customer has but what we're trying to do is build factories as fast as we can to address really as much of a fraction of that as we can in the form of in over the coming decade. We think we can you know. Really rapid production to really high levels in the near term. We are going to try and address much as we can achieve the okay. One of your biggest backers is a guy who's actually pretty creative thinker. Adam jonasson morgan stanley. He called you the biotech. I like that. What do you call it. But he says now. You've got more financial breathing room because you got the money from vw. And you also did the the equity offering but you also have to spend a lot of money to to ramp the way you'd like. Are you okay for saves three or four quarters at this pace in terms of money actually the money that we have in the back we now have approximately one point five billion dollars in the balance sheet and if you listen to on february skull call. We said that we expect to spend a net of more castles in the air will be between zero sixty million less than it was in the last year so overall would end the year with a very strong balance sheet the kassab we have in the bag right now enough to fund our pre pilot Recall two zero in fact. It's not the funding a doubling of capacity that line. It's enough to find a us. Most of the way through our twenty gigawatt hour expansion facility with volkswagen. That'll be the twenty four twenty five timeframe so we feel very good about what we are cash wise. I think we know we ran into. What i don't wanna did are offering the last week but very happy. We raised up the order of half a billion dollars. Add that to the billion doll- joining the daljeet. That takes you to one point. Five billion a which really is is is a lot of capital for us to be able to execute on the russian plans that we have here wall. Look that's terrific. And i think people have to understand that when you hit that milestone. It's a very big task dated and give it to you. They did not have to give jag deep the money they could have said no but they said yes. And i think that the most important client on earth when it comes to to clean skies so jagdeesh. Singh co founder chairman. Ceo quaters gave his such light to see you again. That you so much things in everybody's back into the break. High hopes for hydrogen highs in motors feeling up to come public and kramer's finding out what sets them apart from the pack next the markets lost interest in spac murders. We can finally think about buying some of these things as long as we do the homework. And we like what we see. Which brings me to highs motors. This is a company makes hydrogen fuel cells for heavy duty vehicles. like class. eight trucks and buses. That's probably the best way to use hydrogen now. This is not some pines guys backstory with plans to start marking something. Maybe in twenty twenty four twenty five got fuel cells in production right now in february. We learned that high zones effectively coming by merging with an outfit called decarbonization plus acquisition corp. Although the store is a little complicated high. Some of the privately held horizon fuel cell technologies at the time. The announced the stock surged from ten dollars. Just under twenty bucks but thanks to this recent backlash we keep talking about. Its pulled back to ten bucks in change now. Few bucks below where it was trading before the deal was announced. So can this be a buying opportunity. Where's the stock selling for. Good reason let's take a closer local craig night. He's the co founder and ceo of highs motors for more about his business. And its prospects. Mr welcome to may have money jamie. It's nice to be here all right so we had a tough week with some of these the stocks in your group. They shouldn't all be lumped together. They're all very different companies. But i want you to tell our viewers about this is not one of those pine this guys. You actually have vehicles that work and are in some ways economic. So you're right. Jim highs and has wrigley recently started assembling trucks and buses and truck in the virtual ride along with in europe racing lane was powered by the same fuel cell designs that have been supplied by the parent. Company for commercial vehicles deployed mostly in asia previously so with governments and corporations by these increasingly mandate to reduce dependence on fossil fuels while heavy transport is tough sector to address. It's really well. Suited to hydrogen fuel cells and hudson brings substantial capability and real world experience to accelerate the energy transitioning commissioner mobility. Okay when i look at the president's program last night a lot of people thought it was going to be out. I really about roads. I heard is being that evi evi truck every bus. Mvp core did you think that the president's focus could mean good things for hydrogen so obviously hundred trucks. Electric trucks layer fuel cell electric trucks so That is often a term that is coin for battery only electric vehicles but in many cases in some many use cases Payload is important. Where range is important. And where vehicles are expected to be driven by multiple. Dr she sent a twenty four hour period. These applications are really far better suited to hydrogen than battery only electric. So we see great potential for those kind of back to buy operations with high utilization to move towards hydrogen and we think that they kind of catch all of ad and really does include fuel cell electric and will increasingly be recognized to include. You'll sell electric because today. Probably not so ready though. It's not. I mean. I what i liked about what the president was. He understood that sometimes the government has to get the private sector boost. We saw that in south korea with plug power also with china but how about this new zealand deal for fifteen hundred trucks. Is that just straight out a good deal for highs on look obviously that that deal for new zealand to deliver fifteen hundred tracks within the next cs. Five to six years for young company is a challenge right. But it's a challenge. Wake welcome with open arms and this is a deal that's also supported by the new zealand government. By the way. Jim you mentioned how it helps when governments provide some frameworks in some incentive for some of as early movers. And that's another example where that's the case but we have the major trucking operators within new zealand behind this deal so we were with the hearing energy. His deploying the hydrogen infrastructure. But it's really the flare up writers that are behind the the deal and underpinning the demand for the trucks so the flea except times you want because is it somehow cheaper. I'm sure they'd never really worried about being clean. They all they are very much worried about being plainridge jalen so jim jim new zealand markets itself is actually very proud of its pristine environment for tourism but even their whole national identity around this one hundred percent pure new zealand thinking process in marketing campaign for music. So we're looking at competitive one hundred pure h two from a commercial mobility standpoint and while the economics today are a challenge to get today's parity there are pathways to get to diesel parenthood with zero emissions in the next two to three years in any scenario not only in new zealand but also in australia. We say the same pathway in california and they'll be more more jurisdictions where we can bring that to fruition in the next three days. That's that's a terrific story. I look we all want it to be true. We all wanna be. We all want wanted to be new zealand. Because then we really would beat this whole climate change craig night co founder. Ceo of highs in a very exciting story. Thank you for coming on money. Thank you very much be you know. I'm a believer in green hydrogen. I know it's far off. But after listening to mr night. Maybe it's not a sparse. I thought if money's backing stick around man making suggestion i would stay within the lightning round is coming up next opening up the lines to hear from you the voices kramer's because it's an uncertain time. I wanna talk to you. I just want to tell you you absolutely positively fantastic thing for helping us not panic in times like this the average investor which we all know and love you cater to us and we appreciate that keith. I am not going anywhere you should neither. We will get through this together. Kramer has your back. Call one eight hundred seven point three. Cnbc and let's take it on the market together. We figured this out puzzled over and we'll make it so that we're all smarter as it may sound and then the lady is over. Are you ready scheme. Rail myself carrying georgia kerry. Jim thank you so much for what you're doing. Young repealed invest time. Trying to get a lot of work to do. People want us as jay. Clayton is the guy who used to run. The sec said today well people want more education. And that's what i intend to provide. What's going on. I would love to hear your thoughts on a charging station. Company that strategically placed a surgeon stations and metro cities and with the biden infrastructure plan announced in a good opportunity The name of the company called voltage charging right tortoise. The tortoiseshell okay. I look i think this is There are so many of these electric vehicle stocks. These days that. I just you know. I gotta have the morning. Frankly 'cause i like quantum scape there's a bunch of others that are good but let's let's let's have the more because these are really blowing up. And i don't wanna hurt anybody. Let's go to eric in wisconsin. Eric My company has been up about thirty percent year to date of was more room to run for cats. Oh my i mean you know. My hat is off to jim. Will the ceo why because when the stock was a hundred points ago he was saying i got buy stock. Now got to buy a new ceo in terms of his outlook of the company. He's done a great job. It's the premier infrastructure play. It's a china play. They don't even to. Actually the united states cats go. What can i say. Let's go to john in new york. John originally from jersey millburn deli is fantastic. Yeah good sandwich but you gotta know mealy if you if you even hesitate promote tramp leader. What's always the guy father now for the talk about both extremes automotive. The growing market care batteries autonomous driving software services services to drive margin for years to come energy which kathy would didn't even account for why is not the best investment a five year time rising and look your intestines not going up. Because he's up so much. But look i agree with you tesla and i think that one of the reasons why the stock stop going because tesla stopped going up. But you know what it's a recent owning we're probably getting a cheaper than nine hundred. I rarely get deal. So i'm fine with tests. Let's go to larry in florida. Larry jim thank you very much for taking my call by. Walk out there listening to you for fifteen years. Greek show thank you. I just signed up for auction. Lobsters pays thing greek greek information. Thank you one thing when you're on vacation you got to. We expect it seems like financial markets. Stop for me. Please stay safe. Try it earlier this year. People don't really set me back. But i'm i'm doing my best to pt. Wow it hurts. i'm gonna help yoke chip. You always said there's room in your portfolio for spec stock. I bought one. I thought i did my homework but it wasn't good enough stone thirty five percent. The stock symbols are c. A n no. You didn't get the here's the problem you know i. I recommend a couple of chinese stocks. But i i do bless speculation but that one no. I'm not a goer there. I mean why. Stick the y. Go taiwan semi. You don't need those guys and that conference and that leisure conclusion of the lighting lightning round is sponsored by td ameritrade coming up for cinema stocks. The pandemic has been less. Welcome than a godfather remain. So why should home. Gamers be giving the ceo of amc a standing ovation. Kramer makes sense and some moving magic next marron. The turnaround order. Ceo of amc is indeed a modern. Day harry houdini. He's rescued his ailing movie. Theater chain from banks five times since the pandemic roy. You know what i think he's about to do it again. Six and hopefully final rescue by asking shareholders to prove his plan to issue five hundred million new shares. Which would be about four point. Seven billion dollars fundraiser. These levels it's not going to happen. Judging by the stocks relatively muted reaction. There's only done eight percent. I think he can sell every share and use the proceeds to cleanup amc's balancing and possibly acquired speeding down competitors to become what i call the last man standing in the industry but then again the market has been expecting new stock and arends more likely to dribble it out slowly rather than one big chunk so as not to hurt his car. Shareholders the alma believer because orange. Done a fantastic job for shareholders. Wherever he's gone region male resorts starwood hotels. He's not afraid to break a few eggs the makes and delicious either kind of done. Some wild things gooding's pre crazy commercials. So is there. If there's anyone who could handle the pressure of trying to stop a heavily-indebted movie theater from going it was adamant hence the nickname. Houdini giving him by rich guelph. Ceo i max and a bit of escape artist himself all right with this. Five hundred million shares getting dribbled out offering aaron showing you. How real professional uses the capital markets to his company's vange just three months ago. Amc was trading below two dollars. I mean that's just incredible when you look at just ahead look at this because this is the pandemic right and then it comes down to here with the company on the ropes. Because they can't do much business thanks to cove as he described it this morning on squawk on the street shortsellers leaning all over his stock right here hoping to pressure down to zero. I mean literally they would that of course would have made it much harder for the company raise money in stocks or more importantly in the bond market it would have been lethal because amc desperately need the money right here but then the wall street bets crowd started hunting for short sellers who pressed their bets in huge volume and press them too far so they swooped in right here and busted the hedge funds that were gun in frame. See just like they with game. Stop aggressive buying created a short squeeze in. Okay bomb taking this talk from two dollars to twenty dollars in a matter of days that we it's incredible. It quickly did them retreat to five dollars if the squeeze ended but it wasn't long before the buyer circle backing boosting the stock to a nice good level and allowed. Amc to completed earlier stock still program at really fabulous prices and the buyers are still so aaron's coming back for more even if he can sell even a fraction of those five hundred million shares. He'll be able to start retiree. Some of amc's expensive corporate debt at a substantial discount. The where we're it's trading. I mean i gotta take this toughest trading now. There's he's got some bonds. This is the compass bonds trading in the third that are due in twenty twenty four meaning the reflecting almost certain banks usually be probably around ninety five through the theories but that will not happen to certain fashion will not happen if he can sell stock. Where here is the stock in. Take some problems away at farakhan by back those bonds and get this this offering as voluminous as it is would be actually additive. Amc's earns additive despite his size plus they so all that stock agency will be able to negotiate with the brush and comes from positions straight. Remember the major players in the movie industry had their own streaming services now. They want to release their films. Earliest possible and their online pro. Platforms like disney's krill and black widow. That's bad news. For the theorist who wanna show these movies exclusively for as long as possible and amc with deep pockets can push for a longer window. This offering could give aaron some the koshi hitting power. Now i know in game surged at three hundred. I wanted management to sell mass amounts stock. So they can have a war chest to reinvent business. I still think it's nuts that they hadn't done a secondary offering appear but you'll look they. They're getting a chance of a lifetime for that. Listen to me came stop. Why are they not listening to me. Because they don't have a gun to their head they don't need to raise money. Other hand has been on wife support at capital markets so the key to their survival. Oddly enough the wall street pets people created virtuous cycle. They pushed the stock price up allowing him. Cedar raise more money within us to pay down debt which makes the company itself even more valuable. It's a game changer. And it is adam. Aaron working with wall street pets. Of course not really but they are pretty synergistic. I like to say there's always a market summer. 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Tom Ford

Vogue Podcast

38:01 min | 4 years ago

Tom Ford

"Taste. Hello. My name is Andre Leon Talley, the host of oak spot cats and today, I am thrilled to have my dear friend, the legendary. And I caught it Mr. Tom Ford on the phone with me from Los Angeles talking about his latest film nocturnal animals, Tom. Thank you for calling it at tedium, but the boarding power. You. I'm in Los Angeles living you the school year. Oh, because your son is going to preschool in Los Angeles is oh, that's great. I needed a year of sun after seventeen years in England. But I'm going to London on. So in London now he can spec today. So good, we take we take turns towards well. That's lovely. So I'm cutting right to the chase girls questions. How did you? Find these incredible women that opened the scene. Those incredible women doing those extraordinary dances in a nude in costumes sort of epaulettes. Imple- casting call. I had a wonderful wonderful background casting. You know, it's not called extra casting anymore. It's called background casting. And I described exactly what I wanted. And I met the most incredible women in those women were so joyful, and so happy and so- Terrific's. It's interesting that hold part of the film because I started it by think do you want me to tell you about it. Yes. Please. Please. I started it because all of the art in the film was created by artist to very very well known who gave us permission to use their work. I hate movies about art where the artists fake, and it has no soul, and it doesn't feel like anything. But that particular piece to open the film that supposedly in Susan's gallery, I had to create so decided to put myself inside the head of fictitious artist that created enough lived in Europe for the last twenty seven years. So I thought okay, I'm a European, and I'm creating a work that says to me what America. Is. And when you think or when you're opinions often think of America, they think of our faucet in her red swimsuit with a perfect teeth and our big care, or they think of Baywatch, I think of sexy, they think of these tanned beautiful people. Okay. We'll the European perspective of America right now. What's happening America might be aging saggy over fed? Oh, good rich too, much and. And that's one of those women are wearing bits and pieces of Americana. However, once I shot them, I fell in love with these women, I found them so beautiful so joyful, so comfortable because what they've done is. They've all of them have let go of what society thinks they should be. And they're very happy with themselves. They looked so happy and in a way that exact opposite of Susan the character miserable. But trying so hard what she thinks society is supposed to be. So it actually sets the film up because those women are liberated in a sense. And I found the very beautiful. So it was a it was interesting. The development of even my own perspective of beauty as as shot that in as I edited it, you know, as you say the main characters eating a a leaf of lettuce for lunch. But these characters these dances in bits of. America and full on nudity. Have let go to the point of excessive that silhouettes almost. And I don't mean it's a very cruel fat shaming way their elephant chine. I thought it was beautiful. They're beautiful Jenny Saville painting. You know, they're just beautiful beautiful the different, you know. It's funny. It challenges our notions of beauty, and we we have to realize that our our notions of beauty or are something that our culture, you know, we're conditioned to think things are beautiful. But if we look things around us that we think maybe are not so beautiful that I can become incredibly beautiful and those women that their souls were beautiful, and I had so much fun shooting that because I was on the other side of the camera dancing for them. I was just saying copy me and some of them hadn't seen goriest once and in. In Sunset Boulevard. But at the end, I said, okay, I want your I'm ready for close up Mr. demille, and I sort of acted that out for them while we were shooting, and they were on the other side of the camera doing the same thing. It was so much fun. We are here with Tom for talking about his latest fill his second Phil turtle animals, which I think was greatly received. A film festival was not was it. Facing the jury won the grand jury prize. So we have that to look forward to in America. I think you kinda conveyed this absurd beauty because it's a kind of you that people do sometimes comfortable looking at was very very briefly done. Now. Let me ask you do you find do your direct women differently than you direct men? I don't at all. I think that I'm I'm good with actors. I think I understand the process. I think that with great actors you need to give them space to perform. They all want to give you the best performance they can possibly do. And I think I'm very good with actors, but I direct men in the same way that I direct women and I care about the beauty in both. I'm old fashioned believe movie stars should be more beautiful than everyone else. I think that you know, we have enough reality. So enhanced reality is is like, and I'm actually learning about my own style. Now that I have to films to look at and realizing. Oh, yeah. This is my style's filmmaker because. Do it in. What are you know, you do things intuitively? Sometimes if someone says, what is your style? You don't know what it is? Because you just react intuitively. Now, I can look at the two films and see certain similarities and choices I made. And I realize I actually like things that are quite framed or set up or you know, -ality I love how you used the polish stainless steel recessed gate to your whole as a. I have a memory. I have a great memory driving my car by. I pull up to that gate. It does that. And I put my hand because it just blinds me. But you know, when you're writing a screenplay or you're writing anything, you take bits and pieces of your own life. I mean, so much of that you, you know, and then I ran upstairs, and I thought okay, that's a great way to open. It around stairs. I wrote that down to her stainless steel gate, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and bits and pieces of your own life work their way into all the characters and into the store. This is a great segue. Do you start with a full on storyboards from beginning to end? Organic because because the two films that I've made I've written myself. I write them in story board. Meaning I'm visualizing the shot as I'm writing. And I even write it into the script. You know, our camera pushes in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, I'm writing it as I go. Then what I do is. I sit down with the the DP on the film, and I go shot by shot and we make shot list. So I don't actually have to draw it up. The only thing that we did have drawn up. Now, by the way, it's all done on computer was the chase scene because quite technical to get the stunt men to be in the cars at the right place into crash here and to do that and figure out our cameras, and whether we were swinging the cameras off of a side arm, whether we you know, how we were gonna shoot it and that had to be story boarded, but the rest of it. I I and then when you get onset you also have to keep an open mind because you have to look through that lens. And. Yep. Say okay. This is not a good shot. We that's moved the camera where we're going to put it. How are we going to do it? So you have to keep the pressure. I while you shooting. Yes. I felt that. Had I felt fear in the great chase scene with two cars crashing into each other with the family, and I really edge of my seat. I notice what you wanted to convey. And what he's trying to convey is because of course, the inner story is his message to her saying, this is what you did to me. This is how you made me feel so that visceral feeling of loss, and and fear and upset and devastation is what she clearly made him hill. Like when she left him. That's what he's trying to say to her. This is how you made me feel so yes fear is is part of it at the beginning. But it also just loss and disbelief disbelief in this dog dog Texas highway, you know, the stock middle of the line. This median line yellow line in the middle of the way and the doctor's not going not knowing where they're going with end up. They don't know where they will end up. The you don't know what they're gonna die raped choke give it away. This story, by the way, remember fictitious story written by him. And then it is being we're seeing it to her is. So it is not necessarily to always meant to always be completely real it isn't melodrama factors shot where she walks into her hallway, and she looks at a beautiful photograph that hangs in my house by an artist Richard MS wreck, and it's one man pointing gun at the other and they're in a field of dried grass, so when she magin his death. It's the exact same field replicated it and he dies. There are lots of little things like that if you detail carefully that, you know, her her perspective of it is what we're really seeing. So was the actual highway in Texas was it in Los Angeles outside of Los Angeles. We shot everything in California healthily. But you know, it does have the sense of the dry arid landscapes of Texas where you grew up. You know, does it's it actually looks just like in part of of California. Where we shot. Remember, California is a desert. It's just that Los Angeles tests are it's just been watered for a hundred years. Well, I think that that was very brilliant moment with the cars just going down the road. And then he ends up in a desert and the next one he wakes up at it. Does it he's running away from the the Salem and all of that, it's brilliant? Now, let me ask you the actor who sits the new on the front porch make it with Aaron Keller Johnson who is a big tackler. Actor Coursey is Tom. Yeah. But you know, some actors you cast and and some actors exceed your expectations, and he just exceeded my expectations. He was brilliant onset. He was terrific was the direct very very easy because he was incredibly professional incredibly serious. He's a friend. He's married to Sam Taylor Johnson. Who's been a friend for twenty years, and I was a little hesitant to cast of friends, but have to say he was he was incredible to give anything away. But was he eases to direct in that scene where you had to have? Absolutely. He was completely ready prepared hook you. Hook you. We hear talking to Tom Ford. Conic film director got the jury price of Venice film festival and a great designer. So Tom about films who do you think is one of the greatest inspiration in terms of your work? One of the great directors that you love well in terms of a film like this. I have to say offered cock Q break clockwork, orange, Brian depalma who also liked very sort of slick polish artifice. Yes. But that's the show. I would have to say one of my favorite all time. Directors would be George Cooper. And I know you're working up to a question of my favorite film. Mater now. Well, that's a hard one. I had to really think about that. Because I like so many films. It's almost I mean, it is impossible to say what you fill but one that is one of my favorites. Impossibly my favorite is a film called dinner date from nineteen thirty three Q. And the thing that I love about it is that it is so modern it is absolutely completely modern. It has not dated at all. Except of course in today's world except for people some people on. You know, people don't talk quite that way, any more most people don't have such elegant dinner parties. But the things that are happening the young daughter who's having the affair with eighty. Himself in the middle of the film. And you know, it's a comedy drama. That's and it doesn't necessarily have a happy ending it just stops. They go into dinner. That's very modern everything, you know. I think in that period. It was rare that you didn't tie up with a neat little bow that you had laughs, you had tears. You had that's life. Life is happy. It's sad. It's up. It's down it only stops where we stop the story in a happy ending is only if you stop the story at a happy moment because VO costumes of Jean Harlow in film. Well, she's wonderful. She was an incredible actor. Twenty seven. Good, Lionel Barrymore, John Barrymore, Billie Burke. Is that incredible lady Louis Tressler? It's her name the la- redress. I mean the gestures in face of her face only, which is amazing. It's incredible. I after say I watched that movie probably once a month. A lot of old movies. Like that. I watched the women I think I was. Watching hundreds of death, George George gluco with the great great. Great. Great. Great. And he was especially great with women. Yes. No. Do you like Antonioni? I love it. On course. Of course. And I mean Antonio incredible blowups incredible movie. Wonderful, but Tony was great Europeans. It's interesting. Because of course, for example, spender, I mean built, you know, Bill collections around fos. Don dark to documents, but visually quite incredible. And I it's funny because occasionally I run into people in Los Angeles who say, oh, my God, you know, I was talking to so and so's in the fashion business, and they know so much about film, and I explained, of course, we know about fellers because we're inspired and every season we have to new collection, and we have such a sense of film history because visually we've gone over all these films in at some point. They've inspired our collections walls are distilled with images of fell. Yes. Yes. I think we probably have a greater understanding film and film history than most people realize realize, no one of my favorite films is a sweet bird of youth Geraldine page. There is no other leading page in those or Kelly dresses as prince's cost plus the broken down. Actress about to have a comeback though. She has a comeback is that what favorite sweet bird of you. It's a very good film say it's one of your favorite. It's my face. Do you like it's just not one of the ones I just watch over Jobe page as a basic. As an actress navy as toys attic, I mean, Jodi page and Wendy, Hiller toys, an addict Dean, Martin just amazing Tennessee sort of film. I think I'm not sure. Toys in the attic. Things happen in that field. Like the way things happening tonal animals thinking about I'll have to rewatch toys, please. We watch toys attic, it's very very beautiful film extraordinary film. Now, we like we like to do love you. Let me ask you, do you. Absolutely love the seventies. Is this your favorite period for everything? You know? I think that well first of all, yes. Chinatowns great movie too. By the way, we're talking about. That is true. That is true. Amazing. Amazing amazing. But I think that everyone is a victim is the wrong thing, but heavily influenced by the era in which they grew up, and they I discovered beauty or music or art, and I was born more sex or sex. But I was born in the early sixties. I grew up in the seventies. So for me that era, I think, you know, it's kind of permanently imprinted in my heart. Dr let's say and by the way, the seventies were very much all about the thirties. Thanks to our friend, Mr Solana that. Very good. This seventies were about the thirties. And by the way, if I grew up in the nineteen thirties. So he entered our money that thirties and the forties, which are also very much about their work. Alway Nikola scares always going to be about the eighties. So I think people are very much influenced by their period. If I were to choose a period out of you know, any period, I could live in I would have chosen thirties, which for me is one of the most beautiful elegant periods ever. And so many citing things happen. I mean, I love where we are. Now, very happy living today's world if I were going to pick another period other than medical care because of course, if you got sick, then you just dot. Harlow like the manners like the politeness like the clothes. I like still there's a leftover formality from the previous century. But it's modern we have cars we have planes. We have telephones sleek cars, you have sleek apartments you have hit. Happening with design and architecture, you know, twenties becoming modern and machine age. And so I think was a beautiful beautiful period. At least looking back at it. But you did not have fifty four in the thirties. No. And I don't think people's teeth. Probably looked as good as they do today. Well, we hear what's hope for change the lanes of bit and go into faster it would aids you realize that you wanted to be was going to be a great faster designer. What did you realize? Thank you for the word grave. Yes. Great great. I didn't honestly realize that. This sounds very silly. And this is a little bit of a silly story. I was studying architecture Parsons, and it was probably nineteen eighty four eighty five and I had gone on a trip oddly to Moscow, and I think we might have even been in Leningrad, which was then called it was called grad now called Saint Peter's. And I I gotten sick on something, which is very rare, and I stayed in that night, and I had been quite depressed because I was close to graduating degree in undergraduate architecture, and it just didn't feel right. And I realized that I always tried to work some sort of fashion into my projects that I would take more care dressing, the people in the models of the house. I was in designing that house, and I just all of a sudden it was literally like piffle, and I thought well, of course, I should be fashion designer I absolutely should be a fashion designer. It was a terrific revelation. So you know, I don't like to be second best. So I started down that path and determined to succeed did succeed, and you are succeeding. Now was your projects a success to season with show now by now by Foale? I noted all stores have the fall clothes in the windows has it works which day. Marshal's standpoint is absolutely worked. We saw spike in sales, which has continued. And so I plan on continuing to do it. I think, you know, the reaction I think in New York in the room and reviews were were were strong. What's interesting about it? I had one reviewer who was very positive first of all almost all of them were positive, but very positive. But then she said perhaps the clothes were a bit tame for Ford. Now, what's going to happen is close are going to become more tame, they are going to go back to an era when women sat in the audience and imagine no I want that I want to order that. No, I can wear that. Because you no longer designing aditorial because there is no at a total for the customer, and you want them to go into the store and buy. So the close work, I think very much me or what become known for my taste. But yes, they were wearable clothes that. The woman in that audience. I wanted them to say I would look good in that I want that. I'm going to go by that. And it's very different because often when you're putting together a collection you say, oh, we've only might sell three or four this. But it's gonna look great on the pages of hope because it's colorful pop off the page, and it's going to work with, you know, they're shooting for bohemian, whatever whatever you thinking about aditorial at the same time when you're designing season out. Whereas when you designing for the season where people are going to see it and buy it or even click and buy it thinking about sales. You felt very good you show that night in New York in September in the four seasons. You felt very good about the success of the whole thing. The way. Good looks windows in Los Angeles. I see the windows medicine avenue. But I did see them in Los Angeles in LA. They looked great. But I particularly love the boots. I love a person that makes a provocation of shoe and you're wearing a boot. And really it's kind of absurd thing to have the he'll out exposing the boot on shades, Shanghai, it prosciutto what inspired that great boot. That was shown. Well, we pur- star spur started working on all those belt, and I had those belt flying around. And I was struggling struggling struggling God. What is the shoe? What is she what is the shoot? Which is for me one of the most important, that's every collection. And I always love that. He'll did that Hillary death Ford for a love that. He'll so I actually pulled out a shoot that I had done my own company about five years ago. And I just took all those belts relying around just wrap them around and strapped it up and cut them up and down and put it on the model's leg at first I had to put her foot in a leather glove because I didn't have the rest of the things so cut the glove off. An old long evening glove lying in the in the sample room, and slip that down in piece it all together with bunch of tape and thought, okay. This is great love this and took pictures and send it to the factory, and and send someone to the factory to put it together and bring it back, and that's how I ended up without shape. So tall for giving us a great process. A secretive process of a boot designed glove tape at boot tape and a leather glove. I think you have to you have to do on the foot. You have to do it on the girl you have to do it with the clothes. You just picked things up you cut them. Sometimes I look around my office. Like right in front of me is sitting, you know, a pen holder made it of dark abalone, and you know, that could turn into a shoe heel. If i'm. Yeah. You can turn into evening clutch or something it could absolutely turn into an evening class. Yes. Just look around and keep your eyes. That's beautiful Tom you had the most beautiful black coat for. And it had gold us reminded me of the diamond dust paintings of Mr. hall in your home cheer her once in LA, but I really have those diamond dust paintings of two. Yeah. And so was printed with gold actual goal. So it was a coat and then printed with gold. Well, I actually thought that it was goal us to speak on it looks like it was shimmering on there. On over printed. They just put the for down, and they just overprint with gold gold just printed on the for. Wow. So let me ask you when you have these wonderful fashion shows the presentations, you always fall back on superstars from the past. Carolyn Murphy, Qadhafi, all of these girls. I mean, had the most beautiful top minerals and defer the skirt was slim pencil skirt that looked like it had ostrich and sparkle the minerals top sparkle the contrast, and then calorific comes on this gorgeous black, no Valetta, gorgeous black velvet velvet. Yes. With the big. Big rapper jewels attached to the bag right now. Why did you feel that these girls are still very viable incredible today on the runway lia's younger than the other two? But these women are in their forties. They have children I left that. I love an adult woman. And I'm not gonna say that. I don't love really beautiful twenty year old. Of course, they are physical perfection their brand new the fresh. They're like a beautiful young pony. There's a beauty to you. I think all of us are no matter what. But I also love an adult. There's something different that happens with all that experience in the way, you carry yourself the way you walk. And you know, I think adults are great on the runway is very read. We see the very rare that we see adults who very well your show I show. I I show beyond say, Lauren Hutton Marley. Berenson these are women who by the way have taken care of themselves. Who are still you know in great shape. They also have great minds. They're doing things. It's I think that's exciting. When you see, you know, woman of of any age who's who's caught with one of your best sales. Will you ever have like the first show in your medicine evidence stalk where you announced the the models and you had everybody be from build say. To learn Hutton to lease is two bottles of that moment. Who Leah who were the great man Lia had actually a quite a lot of up and coming young girl girl to that. But you had the great mix of the great the great superstars. Oh, yes. Super horses, the superheroes. You will have. I'm sure will at some point point. Okay. No. I I believe in kind of feeling the season and changing a little bit each season. Based on what kind of mood were all in culturally, and what kind of mood we are in in fashion. And whether we're tired of certain things or so Cal probably show and quite a few different ways. We in the mood for Tom Ford today Vokes podcast. We're happy to have rare for him to sit down for talk a conversation. Like this Mr. Tom I'd like to ask you one question. What do you think? The worst thing it fascinates today, decorated nails nudity. The worst thing is when you see, unfortunately, quite insecure people completely decked out in a look from the runway head to toe because you can't see any of their own character or personality coming through. And it actually usually makes me sad because I feel I want to go over and talk to those people make sure they're okay because they don't have a strong sense of identity in their insecure. Not that makes me sad. What makes me excited as when I see a piece of my clothing, strong, powerful potent piece, that's put together by a woman or man who you know, has a good sense of self, and they really take that and make it their own. That's a little sad to me about fashion today. What is your favorite accomplice fast collection? Either it's Gucci Tom for it. Or what is your favorite piece that you've ever designed can you quickly after say the seller on Chinese collection that I did right at the end of my. Show seller. Still those pieces are to me incredibly beautiful the one that I did that impacted fashion and my career the most was a show that I did I think in nineteen ninety five or six with white dresses at Gucci Gucci. And the first one with velvet, hip huggers was strong in that one launched my career. But the one that was my favorite from that period where these beautiful long, simple, white dresses, cutouts and and metal on a hip, and I'm still playing with that. I did you know something's not at all similar. But yet you could tell by the same person in this collection. You know, you get to give the world you taste once. Yes. Once you give the world, you taste? It's there, and you continue working on that developing that, but but that is your taste, and I gave the world might taste in the nineties, and it hasn't changed. It's transformed as we were now living. But it's involved in our, you know, the person dress has evolved in its maybe in some ways grown up a bit. But you know, you give the world who taste once it's product. I love each I love, you know, any pick any designer that has a strong point of view their work. And you see a continuous theme hand, you know, that it's the same person designed. Yes, now, I do remember that Chinese clicks seller on what am I friends bought? An extraordinary still souls coat in leopard that was saved almost it had a Goethe shape. Do you remember that of course, a leopard coat? It was very expensive at Neiman, Marcus. But expensive now too. I just paid ninety thousand dollars for one of those dresses because I'm in the process of building. Yeah. My own archives. And so I'm buying clothes back. It's. Very explicit very worth it. Now. What advice would you give to an intern of do you have in terms? What is the best vice give to a young caught work hard? Do whatever it takes sweep the floor pick up pins. Never say, no bequeath ba- fast. You not gonna just jump in designing a collection. You've got to be around. It. You've got to pick up. You. Gotta learn I think people have lost that a little bit today. They expect to come in out of school and go right to the top. And that's not what it's like, you know, I hear that. Sometimes complaining, oh, I'm going out to get his lunch and doing this on doing that not even necessarily about me, maybe someone else in the studio, and, you know, say look my job, I got lunch, and I babysit dogs though. We can't that's just life. So get over it. No, you have to work hard work, hard, work hard. So that we have way to take away is Tom Ford's this work hard to young interns. Now, would you live to pilot own plane, John Travolta, no, I don't want my own plane. I didn't want my plane. I think. You can rent a plane if you need a plane, but there's an old adage that you should always rent Inaba. Floats. One of those rules, but the other two I'm going to continue to the phone wonderful wonderful now, listen what I'm going to say what where do you feel Fania? No, not disasters. No, snakes, spiders will. I don't like snakes very much, but we have wonderful make wonderful. Knicks usually just shoot them. Shoot them. What do you do? Tail off and Richard keeps a bowl on his desk where we throw all the rattlesnake tales. Oh, lovely. That's very unique with Tom for a game revealing wonderful things mostly. I'm I'm very much. Yes, important thing is when you shoot them you've got to remember to put on your blouses because you know, shooting them with a shotgun. In the gravel flies back in your face. Glasses on get you're gonna go out and shoot realm. But it's not a reality. I just have a cousin North Carolina who tells me his tractor and shoots to the copperheads. He takes a gun and shoots. But I. Prisoners. You don't want them around the house rattlesnakes? But I don't want them around, of course. But then I say what do you do after what he says? I just pick them up and drove over the woods dead. You know, a bird elite. No, right. Okay. Going to waste. All right now. What did you do in your last birthday? What what was your last birthday? Like birthday was in Los Angeles, August twenty seven I don't love birthday. So I stayed home with Richard jock my mother. My sister came over. We all Keiko is very quiet family celebration. Good good good. Good Twitter, by the way. My mother lives in Los Angeles. Wonderful and my sister. That's great. So you have a family. That's really cool. I do jackets to see these few said. So he yeah. We have a good family disciplined person. I'd so admire that, so what do you eat for breakfast and lunch for breakfast this morning? I had some raisin brand. But I got up to thirty. I worked out. I just get on a treadmill usually stretching exercise than I had some raising Brown and a gigantic coffee to Beth got Jack up drinking gigantic iced coffee right now for lunch. Sushi pretty much every day for dinner, officiant vegetables, and some sort. And in between that by the way. I'll eat a doughnut or two or. A couple of cheap candy bars. Absolutely. Create based diet, but then a little bit of Joe. Okay. We're gonna go to Woodward's, and you try to answer it when word if you can't. Oh my God. One word is really hard for me to talk. All right glamour. It's funny. Somebody asked me about that word one word. So I'll have to come back to that the other day, and it's worth that. I don't use very much. So I'll just say, gene, Tierney sexy. Oh, that's a hard one. Do these in one word a sentence? A sentence. Sexy. No someone who's comfortable with themselves. Good good Jagua, the animal, not the car. But that e type from the sixties one of those beautiful cars ever can't. We talk about that. Instead. Yes. Yes. Okay. Talk about that a black Jaguar you like the most beautiful cars, ever invented. It's so damned tiny though. And of course, the mechanics aren't what they are today. But it's so beautiful. Okay. I think it has to be actually my favorite car at the entire world seats, cotton linen. I don't like Lenin sheets. They they make your elbows red, scratchy. I don't understand Lennon sheets at all. Okay. Elephants. Something I just think about all the time on day. I have no idea L offense. I don't think about Alvis. There's a story. I reject about a purple elephant. I guess maybe that's the purple elephant ball the story above other Fritz? Well, there is that story about purple elephant come to stay vulgar. Vulgarity? Wow. Arrogance. I think is great. That's great tightness as time. This the strangest from Tennessee kindness is something we all should have. And something I always try to have. I think empathy is is kindness for me. I mean, you have to empathize with people to be truly kind Betty true. Sheikh love. Thin longed. What were just giving us through? I love Betty ca true. That's hard hard breath. Hard that is brilliant golf goal. Golfo eight used to have such good clothes. When I was young. And then I was going to play golf again about ten years ago. And I went out to buy, you know, new golf shoes and everything I was just was appalled at what all looks like now. Yeah. Golf while golfing? A while. I think it's a great sport, actually, especially good older because you can walk. You can talk and think I mean when I was young I used to walk talk thinking drink, but now I don't drink anymore. Bianca Jagger, white and suit Beja marvelous. Marvelous buoy bays soup. Boulia is, yuck. I hate to rebrand the great tooth polish. Jeff koons. Balloon dog. Thank you lovely. That was a wonderful wonderful. This is fascinating with Tom for it. And it's the most fascinating conversation of having a longtime invokes podcast. I'm realtime that you call today. Thank you so much a few final questions, yet dream fashion or do you dream scenes? Do you dream fashion end things? Do you go to? I often just have nightmares. Hits hits sort of you know, because even when it's something insignificant in my dreams they turned into nightmares. Now, my last question is, and I thank you for this wonderful conversation. What do you hope for your son, Jack when he becomes eighteen? That I just Mabel to help him fulfill his destiny, I have no preconceived notion as to what Jack should be do. We all have our undetonated, and I certainly don't want to live vicariously through him. So as all I hope is that he's happy and that he is fulfilling his destiny, whatever that destiny might be is he taking lessons as ease for. And of course, now, he swims and he plays tennis and the play soccer, and he's very sporty. And yeah, he takes our class and a little French class and teach all this things at school. And it's it's good. So what is the rest of your day? Like, what are you gonna do day to day on a Friday? Don't worry. I have plenty of work to do. I talking to you is like talking to George Kuku. I would've imagined that. I would have a conversation with Mr. George Kuka. It would run like this. I thank you for the beautiful work. You do always. And it's a great privilege and president talk to you for vote podcasts. Thank you. Thank you. Have a great day, Tom. Thanks caller. Okay. Bye. Bye. The vote podcast is for Duchesne of vogue magazine recorded here at one World Trade Center and produced by Nagaa Hammadi, and he'll be Couric sound engineering by David Lauren's and hosted by me.

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22.22  MU Podcast

Mysterious Universe

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22.22 MU Podcast

"And Wilkin a mysterious universe. See Twenty two episode twenty two coming up on the show got rocket powered avions the navy's top secret hybrid croff and don't me as joins us to discusses new documentary Australian Skies Three. I'm Benjamin Grundy joining me as our and writes it was so great to have gone back in the fact that he's the first person who's been now shipping and tennis. Yeah and it was so great to speak to him. If you call spoke to don about four or five years ago I think he's I documented Australian skies which was really well done and this new one which focuses on the min lights is really fascinating. Because it's the topic Ben that I'm particularly interesting because this is a phenomenon which has been terrifying strains for at least one hundred years but it also Uffizi with a wider world wide phenomenon. Yeah you're right. It's something that we've covered on the show a number of times but we always try and incorporate as you said the worldwide nature of this is the fact that people see strange go slides everywhere. You've got the Jackie Lynton. Mafa lots in Texas Willow wisp in the UK all sorts of different names full them and and I think you don did an excellent job of covering the unique situation. We have in Australia. Especially since it seems to be centered around a particular location Asian. Let's play a little bit of the trial from Australian Scott's three such for them inman and it'll give you a sense of what we're going to be talking about on this episode. Let's take a listen. Hello my name is don means. I'm the Director of restrain skies. Won a road trip to the outback. Australian early in town of Julia where I'll be investigating sightings of a strange go slots that has been terrifying the area for well over one hundred years. This has been a lot of speculation as to what these mysterious lights could be. From the scientific to spiritual and even the extraterrestrial mm-hmm similar lights have been saying around the world and been called many names. Jacqueline fairies willow wisps fatal Ghanem but in Australia. Cold amending could a pot of all this whole minimum situation vase something a little. We'll get more exotic than environmental conditions. Show I honestly believe. I've found that there were many stories coming from the rail system on her train drove his toe auto and ready to ditch their trains. That no it because I felt another train was coming toward someone. Newly head head on tune into beaming laws are saying Lord had one time Matt Barkley tied Blaine and I don't think able to be hundred kilometers because it was so affected by the boy the downed and and and the noise woke up to the Raleigh Bridge climbed up onto it and it came towards me at first I to bear Tanno cy maters as a white but when kept caught and said nothing had come. Roll it up to me. It just kept out of marriage cast Damore. Hr just kept staring at it. I just had a second over just there and a and a third off could probably you'll mice touchy and backed Roy off to bed number ten meters away a we're talking about one phenomena or are we talking about like a tough way to a massive lodge the series of a domus phenomena. Look the the fact there are things out of exploring this definitely the population of these things. Something's happening and they're always probably happened. So this seems to be I connection with with the U. of you read their God proposal them then extra Trista. He put his differently possibility. I feel like that trailer has old. Good highlights of the witnesses because it's the eye witnesses that make this And you're going to hear some of those stories interview coming out with Don now al we also have to thank don sending a bunch of directions. Full the rest of this show We're going to speak in the plus extension about Australian Scott's to the second film he did which totally Flew under our right. We didn't end up covering it and it's the case of an Australian man who Had some very bizarre encounters captured some incredible footage and then was threatened because he was about to speak about the footage to follow up on that story and led me Caan Robert Hall us off to noon looking at Classified -an navy patents and hybrid military via this. We'd Hib- brewed aquatic aerospace vehicle. That the navy has a painful. That's been revealed so it could be a USO slash UFO people could be saying and it's apparently operational if the documents that have been that have emerged are to be believed. So we're GONNA go into some interesting Avenues on the rest of this show and understand. You've been digging up some further women. Yeah well what I wanted to talk about and there are a few keywords so that you heard in that trial such as exotic and a population of these things I think and it might become apparent in the interview that one of the theories that people tend to lean towards that. This is Fatima Ghana that this is some type of Mirage and I think that may explain some of the cases that people have interactions with these things but there are so many more thousands of cases that are far more exotic audio and suggests that people are actually interacting with some type of leaving all psychic entity. And that's all going to become apparent once we've finished our interview we'll have a chat with dawn and we'll come back and we'll describe some of these crazy cases. Okay let's get don't in the studio. We'll have a chat about Australian skies three search for them in minutes available now on options tunes and Amazon. And all the platforms such for it any way you watch stuff and it'll come up Surroundings caused three. Let's take domino's And welcoming back to the show don on me is. He's the director of the new film Australian skies three search for the minimum. Welcome back. Good have you thank you for having me good to see you guys again. Absolutely absolutely you'll have first guest in the studio container as well Very privileged. I love it a lot. The container cozy isn't it's very cozy. We gave you the good chair. I if I'm sitting on. It looks like a midget. He's in the little children's share that people don't know what you've got the kids table for Christmas. Well it's been four years since we spoke to who we loved you first film Stanley and skies of course featured one of our good friends Damian Naughton a wonderful film and we for some reason we missed the second one so all surprised prize one Aronson. Don's got a third film out and it's just fantastic to see that you've you've had this success and you keeping on with these films become a bit of a a Get Together for the team. Every couple of years. Put One out and I think just because the first one was big. And we had a big breakthrough with and we managed to get distribution the sites and that helped us a lot so the second one was. I think we just got it out. Then just send it to the to the state straightaway and this one would just kind of been able to recoup a little bit and had a bit of fun with it and doing it very low sort of case of walk around and chat and showing the film. It's still with dodger. Oh Joe Media. That's the company and is the paranormal themed content. Kind of like the passion side of what you do full this. I mean we do lots of. We're going to to learn a lot of different stuff in the future but this strand skies and it started off with the UFO SORTA but it's it has moved with the second film that went into the hypnotism and re regression of abductees and contact as and all this other stuff and this one is obviously the mainland. So we're kind of progressing across try and cover the we'd expanses of Australia. Not we I mean but just the unusual so things and folklore as will differently. Well the the second film focused on was it Liam Franey lay was featured in the first Australian is and we found his story fascinating. He talked about men in black and white customers intelligence. Yeah he he had an amazing story and actually part of the reason why we had to lower K that one was certain times he had a family regardless of what we all believe what we all think his getting affected by things outside thought yet influences and stuff like that and the more that we saw him to push a film or something like that in the more attention he seemed wanted attention to get from different sources and shall shall we just put it right denim book with him to the level that he wanted to work with a couple of times and was like what we need to stop right now have a break. Wow yeah got it got pretty heavy will maybe later on. If you don't mind we might be able to talk about the second film. Might be an a-plus extension going to that a little bit because on recently on the show we've been in talking about just how destructive very the whole kind of UFO winning Condone Hillary and angels. Yeah we've got some stories to tell you then from the second film there what can talk. Okay let's come back to that because the new film on Amendment Lott said. Why did you choose the MIDLIFE looked amendment lights? I grew up in a country town. I'd heard about them mm-hmm I think we'd finish the second film having a long break and we put a Posts were doing posts as you. Do you know like pine gap and all the different things to do with a strange skies and the genre and we put up a post on the minimum inlet and it just went ballistic. We were we. It might get about forty comments or something three hundred bucks or something like that this thing Hafa me and hits. Wow three thousand comments or three week period it just skyrocketed from people that have seen it became a gathering point and there's either three thousand comments like three thousand experiences of people running these long experiences you you and we were just flawed and we start getting private messages and so we started going through them and We just gathered so much information with a lot. There's something really here. That is touching a nerve and something that we're all interested in the only thought. Let's look at further one of the guys. We actually who right through his was a railway worker from the Clung John Kerry area and he wrote through saying look. I hadn't experienced ninety-seven with two other railway workers. While we're on duty at concurring station. It was at night and it lasted mm for an hour and we got within a major one of these while and I had to write a report about it because apparently we didn't know this railway because direct reports about min lots because Una trying think that it's another train that's county and the type regardless of what we believe. They take it very seriously. So he had this report that he'd saved because it confounded him so much that he kept and he sent it to us so it was five pages very methodically written and very calm. There's nothing exaggerated and we're blown away by the encounter and we said No. Where are you and he was about now and a half away so he went and this is before we started filming went and met him and said look we interview and he was great he was living? He was working as a farmer had his own farm down to Earth Guy presented. Well was normal and we did the interview Eh and he was just like love to know. And you'll find that so many people want to know what these lots on and we went. Okay let's see. We can find because in the documentary. this is Matthew Colorado's Colorado's that he's yes. I must say he came across as very down to Earth very easygoing guy who has had an experience and something that he said that really grabbed. My attention was that once he had his experience it was almost like he was then part of the group because then other people started coming to him talking about what they'd seen and what was it that he saw. What was his experience hearings? Hey what happened was they decided to have a break at night was a summer. It was like coming up to Christmas and the guys wanted to look at the Christmas lights. They didn't break so him and another work might lift in a vehicle of the left one of the guys back at the station I start driving and they saw this on the outskirts town and this is in the outback and they brought lot and I thought it was like a helicopter base. And it's not a helicopter but it has to be helicopter but it wasn't and they you know they both got out of the car and they had stuff on that and this kind of followed them and lead them down to the riverbank thank area and it went down there and win without flesh the car. Lots and stuff like that it would dim and hawed and then it kind of went across the water down to ground level I would to the other side of the river and he'd and camouflage itself like the Predator sort of camouflage who went dark so it's almost intelligence until activity so they got they. They drive them that were falling. It and I saw it contract and hawed and They turn the car off good and they had tortured them realize it. When they flush the torch it would come shrink it back and Sean hardman that comeback and luckily lamble? If they just come down didn't flashlight didn't make any lead noises. This lot would kind of like a screw or something we kinda creep back over to them and to the point it was getting curious. Came Iva so eventually came over across the water back to where they were parked in the car because they couldn't get across any he kind of knew that there was water there that Ross and so they many got out of the car. The other guy was freaking out and slight what came up to him and he got within a couple of meters of it and put his hand out to it to try and touch it but it would move back and say who's this is weird so I started take a game like I'm GonNa go to the right. I'm going to get the left in and the thing would follow as well hit actually called her. The third guy from the station patients come and witness as well because I wanted to try and get it so that could almost have one hundred ninety degree viewing of it. I WANNA be very sure. Many was very curious as to what it was and the brought another guy in hey came in the light conflict out one. Another person came in but then eventually it did appear and perform said speak and Got To give him credit to because the guys that were with him in the recreation you've done for the film they certainly portrayed as terrified The guy the third guy that came in he he was thinking crap and then when they stunned say this lighten sought to interact with them. Yeah he was bonding site and all. Let's go hey really. He had a hard time with it. But it goes to show how You know this is some type of possible entity it's the way that it's interacting with people the fact that they fearful it's obviously causing them to have such a significant reaction to something like this and with Matthew I think he broke away from this two Gosden and he went up to the railroad. Yeah he was really Really interested in and he went up to it and the final encounter was this thing really came up quite close to him and he put his hand out to try and get it and he's very close with and to describe it. I mean he goes into his report award. And we're probably going to do. Another at on edited sort of thing of his whole interview in the film is only like three minutes of it. You know it's very hot but we're going to really slow hour of it on Youtube Channel. He said it was just like a star. It looked like a star from the sky and it was Didn't cost a shadow which is kind of weird read reports. Yeah and There's common as effect to the whole thing where everything went just a bit odd and a bit. We'd and then after a after being there for a couple of seconds looking at him them looking at each other or whatever it is it just search disappeared. You can tell white. WanNa follow up and do a full film on these kinds. Contin counters and opening in the film. We find you in bully in the arse end of Noah. That's IT Ground Zero for the minimum in lots. Why is considered such a hotspot? It's been really because Minh Minh is obscene indigenous term and a lot of the names of our suburbs say for instance Sir Colin Gadara. Will you know places in Bala Bow. Bow Gal you're not Gallon probably most of the probably the nine of them and we will think that well this must just adopted. That will be given that. But it's true boys but it was actually named after a hotel allegedly called the Min Min Hotel and this women hotel like On that bullying run in the middle of the outback. They used to have about seven pubs spicy about four hundred kilometers apart and the mile. Drop off points for the locals back in the dialogue. We're talking like nine. Seven thousand nine hundred on that and yet drivers would come through true. They have a beer there. And they whiskey and they'd sell ever priced and this different stories. One place one side say it was a really rough place where people get killed and buried him out back in these little graveyards and stuff like that the other side is just a family trying to make a buck. And of course it's GonNa be expensive 'cause tale back but you had all these really despite Dispersed sort of pubs and The Senate points and nothing else around and This one particular pub- The movement had a particular reputation apparently burnt down Gibbs somewhere between nine hundred seventy nine twenty one and the story says how the meaning Goldstein story guys. That are driving coming through the ruins. Were still smouldering. It was at night. He's gone through and it was all that was left of the pub. Is this little graveyard out the back and then out of the graveyard. He saw this. What big goslar is being both? Come out and this goes lot proceeded to chase him until he got to. The next station. Might report laughed at him. Thought he was eighty but then a couple of weeks later someone else went past and chase by the light and then it became such thing that anyone who in past the ruins of the mean hotel would get chased by this light so eventually he coat. oh wow that's fascinating it can be traced back at least in this story to an actual place and actual place. That was down on. Iowa's thought its origins. More of the indigenous side was an indigenous name for lots. Yeah well I mean the main main hotel. I think it's on part of there's a creek. They could mean main Craig's that took named after the Craig's still is an indigenous term but It's just interesting to see how pinpointed they got it. You're right you you think catch just been called that because like amiable or something like that. Speaking of Emus I heard that the life is actually the one theory with a taught showed Goss- choices people at night. Now I'm just talk. Do you give into this amy rumor. Well I get chased by a couple of emus which is it was in the daytime. Ben Couldn't tell so still an open theory. I didn't stop to look. You actually go choicepoint. Oh Yeah you get by easy to show wishes wishes not me. So I'll take you out the street gangs of the outback and this town. I mean we're talking population of five hundred face a tiny tiny place. And what is it like going out there in the middle of Beckham and give us a sense of the scale of nothing. That's the thing that's really weird. The first first thing that freaks me out his night trees the end. When you stop to have the trays it becomes you realize how much we play stock in reference points and so when you get out they realize that you reference points get very screwed up? Kazan have those Telegraph Poles Telegraph. Paul there was nothing that it's just read it's and it's beautiful and it's Sometimes very windy at in the daytime and then at night it goes so quiet. You can hear hot. They and end sets all backed front and a lot of light phenomenon. There's a lot of Mirages that you can say in the day that he's Mirages start to well. This is in fact. This is something I noticed when you were speaking with the locals and films full of all these interviews. I spoke to Remember surname now. But he was running the local hotel on John. Hammond Hammond drive. And and he told the story of He's inciting And how many people have come through looking for the lights and who have seen the lights but at the end of telling his story he said Oh you know people say that it's gas and this is something we heard for multiple eye-witnesses just kind of tack this on as some kind of known almost explanation for the whole thing thinking it's Oh it's an atmospheric effect just gas. Where does this come from? Why do people keep mentioning this gasol atmospheric effect? This is the thing that so many different areas you can go into this but in that area it used to be a bit. I mean those notion out that one stays in still to this day. There is seen land. Say there's still so many prehistoric sort of remnant remnant some bonds and stuff out that out there the atmospheric side of it as in the film we actually when you start research fund bully on you find all these different things way. We found that there was a A professor who Lisa Sohn's paper in two thousand three who reckons that he had solved the mainland. Moore's and that Jack Pedicure is Jack Pettigrew and that was the other side of the argument that you have there's always three sides to it there's the spiritual saw at all a UFO sought all the paranormal paranormal paranormal. As one side you've got the geological aspect of it and then there's also the mirage effect as well and all of them perhaps very valid in there around y. Yeah he had written payback having experiences himself out in that area with a lot. Because you do get that Mirage effect and you show that in the film and one thing I really enjoyed about. This film was actually the imagery like you guys have done such great work in conveying the imagery of this this space and I don't even think I don't think it's an easy thing to do but you show this image of what you can see to be like mountains appearing distance but they're floating So there's some type of atmospheric phenomena associated with this region so it kind of makes sense that if you've got a mountain appearing perhaps a lot could appear will he calls a temperature inversion. That's right. Yeah you remember the technical not all. The technicality gist of what he's trying to say. What's his hypothesis offices? Yeah the temperature inversion I mean. That's what causes a fatal Ghana and Fatima Ghana's Meraj and it's basically a liar of wool may arresting above a layer of cool rule in the atmosphere and the effect of it is if you have a lot source on the ground. It almost like a periscope effect where it will shoot this it is a campfire will headlights it. Projects it up through the atmosphere and sometimes invert. And so you've something like something sitting up in the sky that shaw the upside down cities that people upset and season NBA. We saw them years ago. what I didn't know that these Fatima Ghana's the temperature inversions can also go. What horizontal as well off? And so they. Apart from vertical they can go horizontal and be thrown hundreds of kilometers like almost almost made above the ground in a horizontal fashion as well. I remember that's one of the eye. Witnesses was saying in the film that out there you look at these hills on in in the distance and you think there are a couple of miles away they start driving towards them in. You realize we're not getting any closer. It makes them appear as if the just there is that Isis affect in the desert and Look it's it. We sorted ourselves and at not. We had a similar sort of a thing with headlights at one stage. We were like wow. We've had them in light. But we were actually able when I'm on that particular time. To debunk it is being a head. Lots but that would terrify you. Let's talk about that because early in the documentary you have you WanNa Tila Kelly out don on this Production work with you the filming work and you're out camping quite close to the remains of them in hotels and Attila Ciller is sitting there and all of a sudden jumps up uses light lot. You can see this lot. I've actually got some audio you. Let's take a listen. Uh I I look fracking. That's a that's actually grabbed. Does this mean to. Let's say now at the grave might that is gripe to the great in fact okay. Let's give so USTRALIAN. I'm I might a lot when they're scared that's true. It's amazing what we do is scared. We laugh my things. I laugh like not laugh but I just sir I just still like a nervous chuckle. It's incredulous and almost because I've been doing this wall now I actually got right. Something's about to happen lesser all for. I love what they're saying. You guys had just heard from an eyewitness on how any search for the movement lights any quest for the mid lights ends up in disaster and you you WanNa Tiller in your crew Basically saying well let's go on a quest for the mid mid life said. Don't tell us where you work because those mentioned of a gripe site in that audio their year. Ah that is they have actually land Mont where the ruins of the Women Hotel is the image of all the broken glossy falls. That's when you say the drone image we took it up so you can actually see the child reminds and it's how they left the bottles are still there burkan bottles everywhere from non. Take the old one hundred years old nine twenty you know and The weird thing was is that that first time when we saw that we thought I. It's coming from it's coming from there. We didn't know that we were camping just behind us. There was a second greiff and that was when we later in the film when we were flying the drones or again the shots twin. What the hell over there and that will be like headed the second gripe? Well let's come back to the second gripe but what was the first graders at a drove. It's called the travellers gripe and that is at the main hotel location. The story goes is a blank. Gripe where I would just throw bodies like they would rip people off and and drivers come through and I would say that they would get rid of people and get their money and stuff like that and the stock and then throwing bodies out the back into this little grave and announced you anticipated. No one would know Especially back then you do that now. You can disappear at the like you know. Nothing's imagine that nine twelve of just disappeared so that is called the travellers gripe because it's unmarked or nine exactly. WHO's the speculate? There's a lot of people buried in this little Congratu- yeah so how did you because obviously at that scene at first when I was watching this I must say I was even getting goosebumps and getting a little bit freaked out by which takes a lot these days but then how did you guys work out. That this wasn't what you think of maiming. Lots old it was some type of natural phenomenon. Well we were camped away from the globe I sought of it and then so we were them. And that's that's where we thought we saw the lot appear and so we grabbed her tortures edges and we walked over to it but the light kept moving away so we would sit there and go. We're getting close to the ground but it's moving on and on and on so eventually standing at the grave and we cable this lots now way on on the other horizon was always kind of moving around you know I mean I can this Madad so we went back to L. Kemp sought and the lot was following us and it was getting really close. And when you watch the film you can see sitting. Becton your see. I'll camp chairs and you'll say these two lots. The camera doesn't do it justice but we thought that were twenty fadeaway and there were two lights coming in and what we are actually afraid of the dark Russia's and they're going to take a shot at us and you have to be very careful was loaded shooting and so we will well I okay we might. Someone might take shot because we do not Russia's sometimes take a pot shot at minimum lots in a while so you got what we make sure we didn't know what was going on. We thought I say they're gonNA be route. Should or could be done. Hold up the torch and start wiping it. Yeah done is so we kind of went back and cut huddled around this by God and then it just changes because the Para Alexa effect starts to happen and a lot so shifts and then you go hand this twenty feet away. And it's more like three days four ks and it moves and then you go actually. That's Qasem convoy and then you go is that is that there was like. Yeah and depending on where you're sitting and where your head is it moves and you got what's going unhinged stock to really get very strange until eventually that will perspective start to move and shift and then you go okay. This is an effect on from headlights in the distance. Austin so you were able to confirm that it was causing that instance on that first instance. We definitely were able to to work it out that was caused and that we had experienced this. This kind of strange sort of Mirage fo- paralyzing failed why this Theory put forward by Jack. Pettigrew would gain traction describing this palic's affect the The way things interact with the horizon. But then you have some of the tiles that coming through that that make you question this this idea. I wanted to play a bit of audio from one of our mutual friends. Jamie Leonardo. He's speaking about truck drivers on the nullarbor who encountered these lots. And there's a great piece of audio you got from Tony Shepherd and will hear his wife freaking out at one of these Mirages. Let's take listen. I spent time doing program in the early nineties. ABC Radio Radio Cold to catch a flying style. And I ain't viewed many truck drivers the highway the nullarbor this for toleman amount of a cancer mean light there. Those truck drivers Woodside that They will witness allied in the rear view mirror for wallet. Begin to realize this slide is actually is this is motorbike behind me. Getting too close but delight is actually the level that that means that it's actually up off the road and they start to get worried in that light might travel with them. Foolishly minutes will be hours weaving DOT keet driving with north stopping. And it's GonNa get it's GonNa get shipped from really freaked out. It's gone guideway release kid hi. Icing is definitely go back again. A second goal whereas around the background were copied. It went up in the sky. said they don't want to see a chase us if action. You don't want a truck. Stop Lights Pool. I have both because I wanted to say if a defense UH -ducted historically it dates back before European settlement in this called but also at the height of European settlement. Many people were having in Canas in this very famous stories at the turn of the twentieth century of drivers that actually witnessed men lights and might equate speed their life to capture mean light and a it being just two completely futile. Clarity's Jamie sang that. It's a dog. Oh yes you can eat the again. The nervous reaction the I.. Witnesses I love how the dads just pull ever and take a look even with the mother you can hear it as well but she's fearful but this is something that I find with most people to interact with women lights. Is that the terrified but at the same time. There's that intrigue she wanted to pull over and still work at what it was. There's a great book by an author Call Mooring Hezekiah. And she's a research. She got a government grant again research them in mainland and she's really the only author of the book out there with any sort of scientific sort of credit to it and they were trying to track it down the loss on Amazon last night we can get them. If you the minute encounter. They have been water than they so they had to get mine from the states or something like that as well till I go down there and went. Oh you've got folks But she says goes right into the mid Ming in hell now. There's never been a report of anyone being injured by the made me. It's not an aggressive sort of lot and I can understand that it's not but it is unnatural and when you say it it's terrifying and it just moves and even professor pedigree say how how unusual does move and terrifying. You can be you know. lighter when you went was at the same location when a Tila got freaked out the second time we camped at the same sauce. But this second assaulting and this one we want to verify we tried everything to try. And debunk this one. But we weren't able to. This happened behind where the first I graveyard is. And we'd only just discovered it through it's the second grabbing happened on the other side. The Minimum Creek. That for us was quite freaky. Because all the accounts of these lots coming out of a grave and this thing by all accounts look like out of a garage and just sat there and it was that was a really freaking on that one that was very different Attila because he wasn't looking through the viewfinder he seemed to have like he's not vision was a little bit better adjusted than yours and it seemed as though he may have seen something that you couldn't see of got a little audio here for Tila again freaking out. Let's take a listen to something. Even I've been is this something big meeting day really way over the past. You serious thought. All frigging bombs might a goosebumps. Kiki that large sums of yea to flood it out you flooded uh law law law law law kidding. He's going on you. Can you say that I can see that very around here. Supernova sudden of careful is something I've been I'm telling it is something that it's gone. He see where the shrubs go down. Meet the horizon yes okay way that shrubberies about halfway between the horizon the shrubs rush this thing it was like a frigging it was it was like an elongated. Whatever it was it just moved you here Tila describing something that doesn't sound like a lot and before the lot of he was concerned in the film because he heard something walking around yeah it was creeping and we saw ooh a lot coming from the creek which is behind us so weighs about campaign we were facing the original Madman Hotel to back was a creek bed it of dry creek bed? which was I think called men creek and then on the other side of that? Was this new grave that we discovered through footage prescribe. was that because you found out who it was. Yes it was The original one of the original build is all I know is of the Hudson. Mary Liliane through that first night we we started so even also also we until in particular result of lot in the creek bid and he was very on edge and the atmosphere is very very different to the other nights that we stayed at the several. Have four five months. Whatever but this not very very different just vibe wise a he was he's very sensitive all this stuff they just? WHO's the and even I saw some of these flea lots in this creek bed my game? I of course I'm going to have. That's where the second and lot of pain which we actually managed to film the testing. And you Kinda got your bollocks. You did but we've with cameras everywhere and we've been out there for five knots and with it film where they're all not and sleeping through the Diet. Sounds like we're ready to roll and we got camera game. We've got the right camera gear for it and it was just one of those really freaky things. We couldn't believe it so I wasn't sure what I was interpreting it but did you guys see two things so was there a light and also a black mass or was the lights. I didn't say black mass but we both saw the lot that we filmed but the black mass and the reason site in the actual thing is like. I'm looking to review sir. My perspective is completely shot whereas the till is not he is actually GonNa move around this particular encounter. I found to be Contradictory contradictory to the whole Mirage concepts. Because if it was a mirage The concept of there being this black mass and being something else I mean you have reports of other people were these these lots actually will come down and get into 'cause people and you know if you want to step back from America a little bit more wild Jamie raises. It's only briefly in the movie but I wanNA talk about it. Was this idea that often matthew how does experience with the light on the railroad track it took all foot. I think one hundred now something like that. That Jamie mentions there's reports of before the railroads electrified that there was steam trains the goal and they would be God's it will be on these trains that would actually disappear while the train is moving moving after me and suggesting missing time Donald Phenomenon. What do you think of that? We actually got a lot of stories from the railway about about men men lots which crossed into your phone phenomenal and we actually we do go into the UFO salvo with the historian lots and all these things and the Mafa lots lots in Texas the railway workers there's a lot of UFO stories. As well with Roy workers out in that cone Carey Carey which is near enough enough to Boolean but clung Kerry seems to be another hot spot like a really weird old area that has a lot of strange things going on and some of these stories were yet guys. Disappearing trains. them to stop and search for them and then reappearing sometime later. One story that we had was the guys were on this train lawn gangs in the middle of the outback which has done properly a hundred times and they noticed this massive in the distance is massive massive structure sitting. There wasn't there yesterday or the day before. Never been there at all cost structure. They said it was massive like a football field. There was in the distance but it must have been big because it was a long way but it was big and it looked like rust. It looked like rusts ready. Heller of yes. That was almost who knows. But that's what they said like a big rusted steel mill. Something like that or a big factory. That was out there and they watched it for a walk wall and then he shot off. Yeah and it showed up. We didn't we didn't flu OP. Shot off like just at night. I mean that's what they're into the sky. We didn't put that in the film films called Australian Scott But there was a lot of stories that a lot of strange ones. That's the thing you get a lot of these strange stories. The trick for us is to try and create a narrative that you can have people listened to and obviously enjoying hopefully educate but also make it an entertaining sort of thing but some of them are just so out there. You go well I mean what do we do that. You know. WE'RE GONNA make mysterious universe. It's mischievous what is one of the most outrageous that you've heard I mean that's pretty out registered so things like I think the guy's disappearing on the train is outrageous for mates ramifications. Yeah I mean I think about the follow through effect of of someone disappearing on trying lawn and then reappearing lighter. Not knowing what's happening at missing time and memory I mean and conducted. It seems like our abducted you know we know I mean we WanNa Sean Fund. The and that's the thing is I think with amendment lots. Everyone guys is it real time you silly. It's real. It exists. These lights will see them. Say What is it. That's what we should be sort of arguing about arguing. But I think that what amendment lot has become. Tom Is almost a title. And it's got a hold of subcategories and what people and I think for us because we get this question all the time. What is what is it? I think it's something that has to be looked looked at investigated on a case by case. Because I think at the moment everyone who sees a lot that's at ground level in the outback amendment lot. If you see a lot somewhere in the sky so you have thought and differences altitude so some of them obviously going to be offset percentage of these things are going to be Mirages. Yes because it's proven you can same yourself you know. But this percentage of them and a substantial percentage that don't fall within the Mirage hypothesis things and the other things as well. Oh it's great to save things and Mirage but even the doctor he didn't put this in the film either but even the professor will admit that these temperature inversions have to happen in UINTA NTA all really three months a year and because of climate change the heping listen less and yet the sightings still continuing Medicare assaulting was Christmas time Noni nine ninety seven so hot boiling hot yet. Clung Kerry forty forty one degrees forty two degrees. What do you do with that? We did a good job of including these encounters that simply just atmospheric Mr Reconversion of temperature inversion econ account for some of these encounters. My Car's encounters won- where he could almost reach out and touch it. Count reach out and touch a mirage yet and also who Claire Britain's encounter was fascinating as well because she said it came up into the car into the car with higher as well and she described what it was like in the car when what happened with her she just you know so. She was waiting for her grandfather. Come home she saw all that screened coming back from bringing in the cattle thought and she thought I think he was on an old bike. And she's all maybe all pick him up or something by the single life. Yeah and then this lot. I just zoomed right in. Came into the car with her and then disappeared. You know and that's the thing when you're dealing with different people and people from the country and stuff. They're not going to elaborate. Thank you can ask them ten times. This is going to tell you it. Just disappeared might be the guy was. I can't remember his name Right what what a typical are the character you're gonNA find in the outback was down to Earth because he was also saying well. Look you know. I've heard some scientists say that temperature inversion or it's a natural phenomenon but I don't think it's that. And he describes this case of he's I don't know if it was his experience with people that he knows but I saw a lot and they got someone to dry out there the next day. Yeah man there was gonna track so something is nothing is nothing and towards the end of the film. You certainly alluded to the fact that you couldn't cover all the aspects of disgust lot phenomenon because obviously as you mentioned it's it's seen all over the world but there's also cultural aspects to it which are interesting the the aboriginal styling explanations for what's going on so what some of the other areas that you know if you had unlimited. It's a time that you would have packed in there. You would have loved to have done the indigence aspect of it. The people of Australia data what we have with that one though is that there's not a unified view you sure so different. Different areas of indigenous culture have different beliefs to do this lot. And that's that's a film on. Its own really fast and the geological genucel as well that was something that just earth lots and things like that really need to be looked into specially that it's an old say Beta out there and things like that you could have really gone into but there and then obviously would have been good to actually if looked at some of the more ridiculous sort of claims that they think these are some of the ridiculous ones were that were swamp gas swim clumps of firefly's flying to get a five flow bugs that that there was something we I'm trying to recall a CAL tech Saddam and it's got some methane or something and then these bugs jumping and it's it's iridescent and they can fly at one hundred forty kilometers now to get a series of time and the amy with the talk shop is a very valid alad number one suspect where are they getting. Tortuous at how. We're GONNA ask one thing that we did last week before You'll coming on the show is is that I addressed This possibility of reports that are around the world because he's light says he say you even wanted everywhere the all around the world And of course it could be natural phenomena but I don't think that there's one answer for all the sidings but one thing we touched on and I wanted to ask you about this. I'm GONNA throw you a bit of a curve. Ball is that there are some really crazy theories out there that these are actually the luminescence bio luminescent bond els overt. But they're birds actually. Have you heard stories about I. Have I think this probably. I'm trying to remember Mooring Hezekiah. Actually that did actually find one case where there was a Bonao that had some of these luminescent sort of things on the problem is with it some of these things stay stay around for forty minutes following cars and trucks and things like that which travelling at one hundred kilometers. Now I mean that's a pretty damn fast Al Short look again that all these different sort of far fetched so little things could be a one off and someone's just picked up on it and they're focusing on it but like I said I think we need to look at these things things Things on the one by one to really try and get an end not shut ourselves off and quickly just got it's all Mirage or it's all swamp gas coal whatever again. This is another fantastic installment in the Australian skies series. Do you think you'll come back to the mainland lights and do a follow up. You're going to evolve something else for Australian Scott Four. He's he's there in Australia's Gospel we know at this stage. What we were just having a break now moving on with other projects and we never say never and anything that we do we we? We always have a door open to come back and revisit would be lovely to come back and be able to do more of a follow up on the women. Lighten probably we will. But there's still so much weed stuff out there that we would also like to cover as well. I'd love to see you guys cover Black Mountain in Queensland Mountain Black Mountain is this A strange collection of bald is a huge boulders and science doesn't know how they got there but the jet black and they're all piled up and this story is going back to it's very similar with me in lots of the drivers that would go and take cattle and drive them through and just disappeared because I would wander inside but one thing that connects with the beaming lots is lots would originate from within in Black Mountain and would come out and as crazy remorse of the lots engulfing people and sucking back into the mountain just mad mad stories but the aboriginals. You know the night of people of Australia side. I do not go there. Don't go anywhere near it. Because of the fact that is there's a spirits they show and it's not a good cash go also plays on the author of the book. What's her name again? Mooring CASSICA her other book. You can see listed in Amazon is on Black Mountain which is like a ten thousand dollars. uh-huh probably only two copies in the world. Probably when you see the sounds like it could be a bit of a mysterious universe kind of road trip as sort of your. That's true I'll stay here. We can put the container truck and we'll just go okay. We will use Aaron's the CANARIAN. Thank you AH getting sucked into obviously horror movie version of mysterious universe. You'll be the first to die. That's right yeah we'll put you to Tila together main bit obey together it. They don thank you so much for your time and we're hoping you can stick around for our plus extension on this show and we'll discuss the the UFO phenomenon perhaps APPs the darkest side of the UFO phenomenon and how to fix eye witnesses and maybe talk about your second film as well. Thanks for coming on the show. Australian skies Three search for the movement is available. Now it's choose. Google play Amazon xbox playstation all the platforms are congratulations on an excellent film. And it's great to have you back. Thanks for having. He's got some push up Each thanks again don for appearing on the shore. Australians God's three is available now again just search anywhere you watch movies or rent movies. You'll find it listed And after the break we're GONNA come back with some information errands dug up today. Some Classic Madman cases some involving old friends. Old Harry friends I believe perhaps perhaps yes they may be involved some lodged lumbering stupid. Old Friends might be some rocket pallid. Avian Soak Up. I'm not going to give it away. But they maybe we'll the whole thing which gave it away and of course coming up in a moment we're going to go into a strange rabbit hole with the Australian skies three and Liam Free Free Ni as well. That's all coming up on mysterious universe. 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Because there's just so many different oh absolutely and I don really did address this well when we were talking to him and also in the movie as well as they actually got so much that they had to be very careful about what they curated curated and presented in this documentary and I agree with that because after I spent today looking for these stories about the encounters that people have these lots they really do range from the very banal and I saw a lot in the distance or way up to the extremes of what could be considered wou it does feel a reserved in a way it's presented in that. I feel like I know that you're GonNa go to the extreme well part of me. I know you're GONNA take it to eleven with some of the stories. I I want to go there. I Want Donna and a strongly and skies to just go no identity crazy noisy. I don't like it when he steps back in. And he says on the film that he thinks it's a mirage gosh. I won't dawn to just drink the KOOL aid seriously. No I don't because I think what dawn is doing is is excellent in regards to presenting the information into the public because even today I mean I think the opinion about paranormal phenomena is slightly changing. I know in the ten years or longer you know. I've been doing this in the past. If I ever mentioned to someone that I did this podcast. Most people are like Oh. You're talking about scary spooky things in our economy just wrote it off today but we are. Today I've noticed that if I'm speaking uh-huh meet someone you and I talked about those all all I've had this experience all article. I saw something they know so they're more willing to come forward so I think people are being more open open about it but he can't go full crazy just yet and I think that's what he's doing. Have you heard how show. That's that's true but dawn is presenting this to a much wider audience. I believe and so you really can't go crazy but I've actually got a couple of pieces of audio from some aboriginal elders that have it's only very a short but back in the nineteen seventies describing Their encounters with women. But more. So what they believe they are and it again. It's something that's quite varied it's it's very wide. Some of them believed that they're devils. Others of them believed that the spirits of Pasta ancestors that are returning and also because of the aboriginal belief systems It's very difficult to to broadcast that Kostov as well. And when I said jokingly in the interview that it's amy with a torture toss now you being serious being serious because when you go to the museum there is a painting a mural of name you with a torch in its US like it's coming at the official Boulia meaning counter museums. We didn't talk about that but that was something that was part of the documentary. Where and this is another great thing that Don does actually goes out to these locations? Early speaks to the people but trust to fund the phenomenon as well. And that's why really enjoyed about that. Human Tila out there in the tower experiencing these pigs is is mind blowing because it shows you that there is something that's happening out there. These are genuine genuine experiences. How we don't know yet but things are having to people have been happening to people for over one hundred years but yeah he goes out to this? It's this tiny five hundred person town and I've got a million dollar animatronic in mainland encounter facility. What people can walk through and speak to animatronic the figures speak to them but they describe their encounters it's like it's really just proportionate Epcot Center in the middle of Yeah and it really is I mean this is what Donald Highlighting? AWW This season the middle but it is. If you've ever been out there just imagine just read dust as far as the can see with no trees nothing into the distance and it's a very during the day and extremely called it. You just described my driveway right now. It's a mess. Well the red dots that comes out of your car is is pretty much worse out there. So what I did is I did want to go through and just find some all Australian reports from this region and I found something that was quite fascinating from the nineteen seventies in fact it comes from a nineteen seventy eight documentary that was put together by a paranormal researcher. who very much stood on the side or on the side of caution and you know so I understand why researchers that are presenting this stuff do that? They don't want to be seen to be crazy easy. Because this is something that potentially could be crazy and you know what we see in the documentary with a Tila that he's probably more inclined to be like okay. This is something that's exotic. Yes this update that's crazy crazy and really jumping to the more extreme ideas as to what they could be. But I fall into that category as well. I'm not so sure about you. I mean how do you feel about it. Do you think that this it's a mirage. Showed you think that there's possibly more exotic Don's credit he always points out. We could be dealing with more than one thing. Yes and obviously the conditions in the atmosphere out there. Play tricks on your mind. I mean that sure that without question but also the behavior of the light and you know the the reliability ability of the eye witnesses. I don't think is in question. There's no reason for them to make up these stories. It makes you think that the the activity has since it has some kind of intelligence to to it. Yes and that's something that I found today is that yes. Of course there are plenty of cases of people seeing these lights bobbing about on the plateaus. And you can see them. In the distance and in those cases I think a lot of the may be able to be attributed to Mirages that makes sense but it's the encounter people have what they're up. Close the lesson a major away from this thing and it will move with you it will pace you. It will engage with able to chase you. It will act in a way that you would not expect a mirage to act and I know it can be unusual and people because we're not familiar with this things. We don't see it all the time that you might all that we know this is beyond it because you have. Scientists cited looking today a day for some scientific journals that have also addressed some of this phenomenon and Jack Pettigrew was one. Of course he is. He Stars in Don's documentary or as part out of the documentary and he's got some very reasonable explanations. Any does actually recreate the phenomenon to a point but not the way that so many people up described it with the up close encounters and in fact in the late nineteen seventies. That was another scientist. Who went out to Boulia and it was known as the bully triangle because this region was already associated? Oh shut with other high strangers other we'd activity. UFO's being seen Ghost being seen walking around actual physical forms of ghost like figures walking around. So it's it's not just the midnights the mainland so these lights in the distance a just a small pot of a higher incidence or Ohio or wider variety. I'm sorry apparel firm Chroma. That's happening in this location and one one of these scientists who was an optical scientists and apparently what he was saying. If it's a mirage when you look at these things and do see some type of optical inversion or apply something to it some type of optical effect if it's a mirage it will react to it whereas with the Mingming Lights when you apply apply the same effect it doesn't react to it. It does the opposite of what you'd expect it to do for Mirage right so in those circumstances they were able to actually rule out that this isn't a mirage. This isn't a fire in the distance. This isn't a headline and in fact one witness that I was listening to today actually started back in the nineteen fifties. There was a huge flap activity. That was taking place and in fact. This comes from a Queensland researcher. Her name is performing have two pages. I've got so many crazy scientists. It's all up on my pin board. This Cheryl got Shell and she's a Queensland. You will find a researcher. And she said the back of the nineteen fifties. There was a huge flap of activity. Liberty Offman Moonlights specifically in the region. So it is an area. That's all that but many people were saying that all will this college but back in the nineteen fifties there with three cars in the entire region for two hundred fifty kilometers really three cars so for all those cars to be causing so many sightings. It just doesn't make sense that may have caused one or two. But not all of the sudden the flaps that people were having in not in seventy there was a woman by the name of her to Siato. And I'm like what Don was describing about. How the all Carbon Co used to move the mail? So they would have those POB Zola's hotels it will be along the Ron Battery four hundred kilometers and they would deliver the mail. So this was her job even back in the nineteen seventies and. She said that as she was doing a mile run to a cattle station she had one of these women lights appear out of nowhere behind her as she spun around to have a look at this thing it blinked out of existence and she kind of went. Oh that was strange then looked Ford so she spun back around and when she spun back around it was directly in front of her so that seemingly had teleported from behind her to in front of her as it was to go away slotnick does she was just shocked by it and yelled and when she yelled the thing took off always was just out of distance it took off and she was terrified by this so she went running to the next time. Stay wishy washy. Remain there for quite a while but because the homestead had seen this before that don't worry we say that all the time you'll be okay. She for the sun to come up. She was too scared to to move but during the next day she decided that well. If I'm going to say one of these things again because I was saying these these things are quite common. I'm going to have a camera with me. And she did so. She took a camera with our nothing happened for quite a while was a couple of weeks. This thing came back or another one was this. She took a photograph so that she got two photographs of this being less than a major away possibly two meters away from her and she was really excited. Because I have the photos in the socio looking at yes they did and so what happened was is it. The camera actually was just like what used to be with this. All roll of Film on enough is twenty. Four thirty six prints and printed out in every single photograph came out perfectly every single one except for the two that she took the women lot that came out completely black so that were exposed but if our expose slot you'd see a huge amount of light but this was completely black the tool them so what happened she actually got quite angry about it and took a twenty two so rather than taking a photograph. She took a gun with her next shot. A shooting at these things and all it did every time she shot it. It would just blink and then just fly off into the night sky. Don mentioned this in the documentary St that interview. Sorry that the lot cost from them doesn't necessarily shadows and of course you mentioned that this is similar. UFO phenomenon so many people have described robbed the physics defying nature of the lot emitted from these objects. Yeah exactly well actually let me skip forward because now that you mentioned that this fits in with another phenomenon. Don't WanNa which is known as Patty's Linton and a briefly mentioned this in the past people encountering patties Atlanta and you may recall the story it was of a of a homestead earner who one evening had seen a strange bright lights in the distance. And what he thought. This was actually a shed that had on his property. And when I say properties these I huge judge hundreds of hectares properties. It's a huge distance away so you can understand why he would look at it and say this a lot and think. Oh Yeah. So he goes rushing he drives out there and when he drives out that he realizes that it's not the shed. It's some type of bobbing light that starts heading directly towards him it drives towards him a flies towards him at the very least east and as he gets closer to this thing takes off and disappears up over this mountain range that was behind his property. So when this thing flies away he thinks okay. This is kind of odd and he takes his car back because he thinks that he's vehicle has somehow disturbed this thing because he knows that this is not natural phenomena. There's something about about this. He he's sense as an intelligence about this so he parks his car. He sits on his verandah waiting for this thing to come back and dots and when it comes back he starts making his way on foot put through the Bush so move through the Bush and the thing is as well. Is that one of the skeptical things that people say about countering the moonlights is that well. It's obviously I see a mirage and it's a reflection and it's coming through The trees and it must be a car but the thing about that is that in many of these reports that you get is that wall bully of for example. There's no trees the brushes very thick. It's thick and so to drive a car through e couldn't drive a car through it and yet somehow if it was reflecting the coward have to off the road and driving through it so again it's not consistent with what is common sense for. These things are but going back to the encounter of this. This ranch I know is that when he started walking through he said the thinks heading towards him once again and came to an abandoned vehicle that he had on his property and it was kind of bogged down into the dirt and the mob at dried and so he thought for some reason that had gone and was looking inside the car like it was curious about the car so the thing had flown back up into the sky and it was just sitting about the cost so he opens the car door to see what's inside it and he swears that like what you would expect if it was a normal light in the Sky Alaya whatever it was being generated by helicopter. The light coming through would not light up underneath the dashboard and underneath in the foothills. And we'd that he said the foothills when lit up it's somehow he said the light was bending it was like it was pulling. Yeah it's like the lot was liquid and it was pouring over the dashboard and down in and bending all through the wheel wells all through the foothills. He didn't know how that was possible so he made it shut the door and took off and didn't want to engage in this thing any further but the following morning he went and spoke to Ooh the neighbor and the neighbor said. Oh Yeah we saw something really weird lost and we actually went out looking for it and he said well what was it. They said this mountain range with this thing had disappeared to before they thought it was much smaller than what the lot was that he saw but they thought that someone had a pressure lamp. So an old kind of lab and they were climbing down the she she cliff face in the middle of the night he says but why would they do that but it was the same thing that he had seen had gone back up over this hill so there was some validation that his experience since one isn't some type of hallucination he actually had witnessed some type of weed mainland one of the more extreme reports as well and this fits in with what Attila the word that until us which was exotic and the other reports of being a population is at one witness claims that when she saw one of these women. Let's she said that it wasn't shining bright. She she says it wasn't like when you would think that could be a meteorite tour abroad Mooch said when you could look it didn't have this effective holding your is. It was just this call like glow that was coming from this this ball but she said below the bowl with two beams like legs that it was walking on. Oh that's we'd is tele- Tiller was say had footprint. Yeah Footsteps Steps Well Attila in the documentary and you can see it. In in the image is that he describes that it's kind of walking creeping and stopping for a couple of seconds and then walking again. So then you have this other report from the nineteen seventies of someone seeing. It woke a ball of light but walking onto beams again. Maybe this is some type of actual life form as opposed to being Mirage. This something that's an entity something that's intelligent so I've got some audio here from some of the documentaries that have gone through today people who have had encounters or have heard stories about encounters with the million lights and again the reason why won't apply this is because that idea ear but being a mirage doesn't it's not consistent with these particular stories for example this audio I'm GonNa play here for describes that it's not just a singular entity entity sometimes that can be thousands of them take a listen people have been chase them. I've heard stories of station. Owners that ADIGA head literally thousands of them dancing around in the Bush you know putting on a show from while they sit there and they front grander at the homestead. It's incredible this this this copying illusion or Mirage when this thousands of these things in the darkness Tall Ring Around People's homes and reported I've heard of these things looking inside people's pulls windows and I might actually apply some audio a little bit light of it. There is a woman who actually wakes up to find one. He actually in her bedroom and it's happening to interact with her. But one thing which is consistent assistant with global reports of these bowls of lot known as balls. I think the I can't recall the research that rudder a full book on this called balls but this is the thing where people will see some type of ball of of lot associated with a graveyard or associated with a travel way said whether it's a road or railroad it seems like there could be a spiritual aspect of spirit but also they could be some type of anger or aggression with these things. Because what the rule some aboriginals Austria say the very nonchalant about it. They they kind of say that we don't want to know about them that there we just don't want to deal with them but the reason for that is because yes some say the devils but other suggests that they can lead you to danger. Aw and they say they have legends. That if you follow one of these things it will lead you to your death. Tackle into this would tell you the stories how they go along with their wagon. It's a pull up for the note Law Too big for water their horses and then take them to feed and then they had the fire to come back to endure often. Tell you know I'd have to know that guy to come back and discover. They were lost because they'd be following Min Lord instead of calling the fire or like Lord and sleep in the Bush will know it and get ethnic some morning and get the directions so some people actually become disoriented by following these things. You can hear that audio. The only option they have is to stop lie down for the night and hope that the sunlight Mike will approach quickly. It's like some missing foreign one year. Witnesses who have been let out to the middle of nowhere exactly and this is what Don said. I mean if you even today if if someone was killed and buried out there. It's pretty unlikely that you're gonNA find them. I mean even that that horrible incident of Paedophile Konia who was Murdered he was driving. I think from Adelaide Darwin through this desolate location. Or there's nothing around and I think this was like the origin of the idea of Wolf Creek but this poll British backpacker was murdered By somebody and we still haven't found his body in the guy even though he was caught and was sent to jail for his murder. We don't know where his buddies and there's no because that's just how desolate this places. It's almost impossible to find anything. So if they're women lights out there that alluring people away. It might provide an explanation for some missing persons in that region. But let's take a look at some the more exotic cases and this is a case where a report were a crash of the women was involved. It was trying to lead somebody into into a deadly accident. If you can imagine not much like tonight without a full moon Huston's around and it's very doc reflected light from CDs or towns no street lighting anything like that. I'd driven that road if not wants wants it must have been a thousand times. I close my eyes and just below the ride. I I knew the whole area. You know like the back of my head. You've got to light like they're on high being really bright and I wanted. I couldn't see and I'm just driving the road from memory hallucination and at the last moment I just swung the wheel and as I did. The lights didn't move that kept on coming and we hit and I hit them with the founded by vehicle. And as I did they disappeared. They just vaporized Barisal and where that bank was. WHO's a great be gum trait? The lights had gone. Eat The side of the Gab. trae straighten so that was period Craig. He's an outback tour operator. And this is back in the nineties that he was was driving people around and had this experience at twelve people. A dozen people were inside the vehicle in this happened but what's not included in the Audio Day is that they could see these lights communist domino's he said it came passed the tree where it stopped. How do you continue to drive and not smack into these things? He would have smashed into the tree and potentially kill them. Also it was almost Diverting them from danger possibly yeah possibly so other it was leading them or it was actually preventing them from going into a crash or some type of accident. So Ah again. There seems to be some type of intelligence behind these things. They're interacting Mirages. Don't do that. They don't behave in that fashion. But what could these things be. And I've actually got some audio here of two men who have actually spoken with the owner. The little boys the time but I've heard stories from the owner of the Amendment Hotel before burnt down so going back. Nineteen twenty nine twenty nine hundred seventeen eighteen. Maybe nineteen twelve in some cases but these men are actually quite elderly. Now and this is in nineteen seventy eight when they describe what take a listen. Have you any idea. The life was first seen well there. Oh man really built hotel. I heard him as a boy Kevin in people that they own respect for Aboriginal Reaction Eight sword when he was a little boy so it goes back a long way the average look. What did they say about it? Bill the devil one Alpha lease to tell us where the kid did he wants to say. Well he just said he's used to come Moran where he came to come around to see this Lord coming you see smacked And puts a billion. I think one came over. What do they call it? They stay cool. Then call me telling me not to tell the fried so these things have been around that region for a long time because some of the suggestions have been that well. It's only since European settlement had occurred but the originals. Even though they don't know what they are there have been many many stories going back into the deep legends of these lots hanging around. So it's not something that originated from hotel bunning down. No but the thing is is is that it's fascinating that it comes up and out of the graves. It seems that the lights come out of the graves because the aboriginals believed that the spirits of their ancestors the when I say ancestors. It's not like oh no. It's the spirit of the ancestors assist like in the traditional kind of folkloric sense. No it's actually people all Bob who died in two weeks ago. He's angry and so his spirit is coming back as a light and you go go to avoid it because it can be very bad for you can take down a very bad possible devils devil devil's exactly but I will play for you the audio actually all of a woman who was up in northern Queensland and so this is this is in northern Queens heading back towards the coast and she awoke one evening to find one of these lights actually inside her room so this is the story of Faye. A flustered old woman. Who doesn't know what happens in fried with a lot and showing you you really gotTa Prot because it was so it was silent teens in on me and then it started moving around the room? What's what what's what's the Good Surfing Pool? What do you want and just like a full moon hall? Country Solid was leap up. I can say the tree three tops and the famous and the mansion back home and then it seemed to float as whole much-desired child headed on a string and floated away from behind. So it's definitely not a mirage. These things coming inside people's homes they seemingly interacting with people that has to be more than just a simple explanation for being a mirage. It may still be natural phenomena and maybe some type of life form that we don't fully understand that is specific or endemic to a certain location. Maybe it's it's endemic to Queensland. Maybe that's why people seeing these things for so long and that's why it goes all the way back into aboriginal legends. But look I don't WanNa go to level eleven. I don't WanNa make it oldest crayon not even at a five basically a lot comes in and then flaws way. This is the extremist stories. But I do want to engage in the possibility that this could just be something. That's as simple explainable phenomena such as reports of being some form of static electricity such as bulletin While it's not bulletin itself we've heard reports of ball lightning acting seemingly with some type of intelligence behind it. There was a report ahead of one stockman where he describes he was out in the Bouillon region. And you'd have you swag Can you swagger of wool or material and. He said the unrolled at one nine. When he enrolled there was all sparks flying off and they also rolling up and down his arm? Swag is a sleeping bag. Sorry a mistrial term but yeah so he had that that was going on There's other reports which we've addressed recently on a plus episode. I spoke to don about it. Could it be some type of bioluminescence bird you we hear many of these reports but then of course people say well look I mean. Does this bird. Can it possibly travel at the speed that some people driving I mean people driving EMU but wars low mu that's terr- you should wait out to the ocean and Johnny Salt. That's awful but yet this reports of people think that these are birds but the birds have to be traveling. What one hundred hundred now? One hundred fifty kilometers now. This had the speeds that people go it. Well there's one scientist who wants to err on the side of caution and he thinks thinks that there's a very logical explanation for what these things are. He's tells us what it isn't and what he believes. It is take a listen the puzzling everything is that so many people say that it seems to have a mind of its It follows them or it goes away from now it certainly not marsh gas certainly not the cloud of luminous insects. I don't think it could be a mirage. It could be a psychic phenomenon. That'd be very love to accept that and I'd be betty loves to accept any of the more fanciful explanations. All I know is that it could be a get propelled the way. He said that I would be to believe any of the more exotic reasons for these things are it must be a jet propelled some kind of rocket emu he search effort that has been injected with nitroglycerine and then propelled by some kind of rocket fuel across the desert. And that's where I'm going to leave it you know. I'm not admitting to anything you can hear it here. It's original it's completely clean. It doesn't sound like that at all. The it has not been edited and that is the conclusion episode of men ran lights by a scientist. This declared Rocard hang on a second. You've been teasing with me all day. Some kind of heavy head have been giant. briant footed friend of having some connection with amendment lives and now you just going to the policy extension. What is using it to the barnacles and some kind of body co cocktails? Yeah absolutely it's going to plus well I've got More coming out from don means after the break. We're going to be talking about Australian skies to extend and that interview He promised to stay back and talk about Liam Franey and his experiences and I walked a straight laced too and before we go into that extension. I gotTA gotTa say some of the footage that guy got walls incredible Like he'd is undeniably anomalous stuff going on in the sky Any really does have a UNMARKED black helicopter hovering over him. And you can clearly looked on says Coming up you can clearly say the pilot pointing some device Aslam and this is after. He's started to witness all this. UFO activity eighties absolutely bizarre and way. This goes Ah. Don't give too much away but it's almost going into the area of Nick Pope's Excellent book on the hunt for zero point This is kind of interwoven in it. Somehow on how we're going to go into that off of the Bright Win Don returns for PAS extension and find out. What's behind your T.'s? Is there some explanation Jon Allen behind the amendment. Lot that you've left out that is exclusive to poss- Memphis. It actually is the answer. It explains what really is going on. I mean I'm GonNa leave you. The barnacles rooker powered birds. SASQUATCH's catching AL's holding them in exam bombs of EMU getting some kind of fireworks stolen from somewhere and just shoving it in the Alpha. I can well now. You're making it more exotic. I mean this is one of those moments where a wild goes up against a bird just to scrape off some of the bottles of what's going on okay so all will be revealed in the plus. Okay if you WANNA get access to that head to mysterious universe all full. It's possible the details of the IT gets he the big extensions. We do every single Friday. And if you're a member you get an exclusive show on Tuesday as well. You're giving more than double the content if you sign up plus do it now. 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NBA Offseason Winners and Losers, James Harden and Trade Candidates to Monitor, and Awards Predictions with Bobby Marks

"What's up everybody. It's michael scotto sites nba writer and host of the hoops hype. Podcast getting closer towards the start of the nba season. Couple of weeks away now so i figured what better time to bring on our next guest. He's espn's nba front office insider and he previously spent twenty years with the brooklyn nets organization splitting time in brooklyn and new jersey. It's bobby marks of espn. Bobby appreciate you hopping on the line with me. How you doing brother. I'm good mike. How're you you know. Just the as you can tell by the tone of my voice. I'm excited for the start of the season coming up soon. It's a rapid turnaround for us. Coming off this off season the draft in free agency. You and i have a ton to look at as we preview what. I hope to be exciting season ahead. And i think it certainly will be you know better than anybody being in a front office for multiple decades that a lot of your season shaped in the off season with the moves you make and from your standpoint. I was curious some of the winners that you saw from this offseason. So a lot of moves. Couple of big trades chris. Paul gallen to the signs. The hawks made a ton of signings in the off season. When you look at the nba landscape and who won the off season thus far. Who your favorite teams. Why i like i. I wanna start in portland. And i've been a pretty up front as far as Shoot i even said it on national. Tv on sportscenter. When i thought that the trailblazers have the second best team in the in the western conference right now and I i really like what they were able to do with building their bench. Depth Started with that. Robert covington Trade when they sent up future one and trevor rees it to the rockets. And then they're able to get in a canter Resigned rodney hood for a back. There jones carmelo anthony Signed harry giles. And i really liked what they did. And i think why i looked at it and i probably look at it a little bit differently. This year is because of how the season is going to go and how condensed it's gonna do. We're gonna cram seventy two games over the next. You know five plus months here in depth is going to be key here And then when you have damian lillard. Cj mccollum and you've got llosa merkich see the health zach collins. What happens to him I i really I like did in portland. Especially with when i don't wanna say it's easier mike when you have tax base and you can kind of shake your roster but when you really are just dealing with your non taxmen level which is nine point three and your biannual To be able to kind of construct it they basically hit on all different facets trade You know in free agency I i do like what the the the trailblazers did. One of the things. You mentioned that you felt. They were the second best team in the west right now. Are you putting the lakers ahead of them. Right now Being that they were defense. Yeah with separation. I think there's more separation. Wear the lakers are This year you know going into the garage. You know a couple of weeks before the regular season compared to where we talked about them a year ago We talked the everyone had. The majority of people had the clippers as the number one team. And i think we're lakers are what they were able to do. Of course you know with a coming back on five year deal. The lebron were. Those players are You know from a high level to franchise level popeye players and then basically go out and remake your roster which is rare when you're coming off a championship when you've kind of is used them a new blood with Dennis schreuder for danny green trade. you went out and got mantras harrell for the nine three mid level. Marcus soul Wes matthews brought back markeith morris Really like with the With the lakers were able to do. I'm i'm a little bit gun. Shy on I think the clippers save their off season with The serge ibaka signing. I think that was huge for them. We'll see what nicotine has left in the tank. Reggie jackson really wasn't a factor During the playoffs and enter denver. You know team that was in a western conference finals You lose jeremy grant mason plumlee you bring in michael green. You bring back You bring back. Paul millsap So we'll see jamal. Murray can be Verbal jamal murray can be regular season. Jamal murray here so Those teams will certainly be in the thick of it. Utah to i think will be up there. Dallas certainly But i do think we're this laker team right now. is there is some separation and if you're a laker fan out there and you can get off this start. Don't worry we know what this team can do in the in the playoffs and I'm sure that vogel volvo head coach is going to be cautious as far as minute standpoint. Certainly in the early part of the season diary. Which bobby when i look at the lakers they certainly upgraded on on paper and getting mantras harold to switch locker rooms within the staple center from the clippers to the lakers was nice addition for them certainly among the other moves that they made. I think also you touched on the nuggets. And you touched on jamal murray. Jamal was a guy that we wrote about on hoops hype. During the playoffs. We pulled a couple of executives and scouts and asked them if they felt that he could carry that type of level into this upcoming season. The prevailing sense was there was no reason why this couldn't be an all star caliber year for him which would be his first He'll be an x factor. There another guy. I wanna touch on later. As we go through certain topics we preview the season for potential awards. I think michael porter. Jr. is a guy that is going to be a most improved player of the year candidate will touch on that later for sure You touched on the clippers. I love the aback. Assigning for them considering a some of the bags that they have to face in the west his shot blocking ability in pick and pop ability beyond the three point arc is going to be crucial for them So yeah you touched on portland being a team that you definitely felt like was a winner for me. I thought the phoenix suns getting chris. Paul was a huge edition for them. Because as this team is trying to develop those young guys in show them what a winning culture looks like and make the playoffs For devon booker. Andre in getting a guy crispell in my opinion is going to move the needle for them. You saw what he did with an oklahoma city thunder team that was projected by many people to be larry team. Going into last season A lot of that had to do with. Chris paul's leadership and play on the court You know even as he's passed mid thirties into his mid thirties at this point chris. Paul is still sean ability to play in an elite level. So for me when. I looked at phoenix That was a great a great addition for them and they added a bunch of shooting as well. anybody else in the west. Stick out to you as far as a winner in this offseason. Yeah mean i. I agree with you. What you just said about phoenix especially where you and it's funny. When we talk about chris paul might because it was like two years ago when we were saying like. Oh my god this contract right and toxic contract you know two hundred and thirty million. He's been injury. Prone and alvis unlike chris ball like hey good value right. I mean is still to two years. Eighty million dollars left. But when you put him with devon booker and any bring back dario authorities and you signed jae crowder for the mid level exception and there's a lot of hope with that team especially how they played in a bubble but as you know that western conference is certainly Certainly a bear. But i think like one team that we don't talk about is utah enough And i know it wasn't a you know big flashy free agent period but when i got derrick favors They resigned Jordan clarkson donovan mitchell's back on that rookie extension here and As much as six denver had in the orlando in utah team was up. Three one. With a mike. Conley shot away from going to a conference. Semifinals without boy on bogdonovich and I think this utah team is going to be up there in the top. Four top. five you know. I do like the favors. Addition you know certainly clarkson we saw when they added him around christmas time last year. How much impact. He had So i think utah from in that under the radar point that maybe nobody's really talking about disparate. Some you know. I i call them singles and doubles type around signing. Now it's funny. You brought up the boy. Bogdonovich used to have him brooklyn nets. Time always remember. I don't know if you've ever heard the story. But when we go talk to him in a post game locker room maybe he would have a big game you know we asked him what was the difference. He'd always say like It was confidence boulia. He he was a funny guy. Always enjoyed You know right story funny boy. Bogdonovich story is not what he did on the court is that And when we acquired them in the trade the dry the night of the draft believe with two thousand ten Trade didn't actually happen until The next day. And i miss oh shoot i think my more my now fourteen-year-old i think he might have been four and he had his preschool graduation. And i remember missing it. Because i had to sit in my car during the trade call because it had been delayed like five o'clock at night and that friday after the after the draft. So that's my my my boy on bogdonovich story in how i miss my My dad guess four five year olds preschool graduation. Unfortunately that's part of the life of an mba executive. Sometimes those things happen. But now i liked boy on. He was always a good dude and certainly he'll be a key figure in. Utah's chances next season as we look ahead and donovan mitchell. We also take a step in the playoffs. Really elevated. Elevate his game from an all star caliber guy to superstar at least in the playoffs. We'll see if he can continue that through this upcoming season. Is there any other teams that you felt like had a good off season in the west. Maybe the pelicans for the drew holiday hall that they had. Yeah i mean it. I i do like the new orleans did because we all thought. Hey off your holiday that you're you're basically kind of really retooling it. I don't think i. They kind of just restructure the roster a little bit and it took advantage of milwaukee team that you know is looking to add pieces different pieces. I guess around jaanus where you can turn your three first round. Pick in into Pick swaps one of those picks eventually turns into stephen adams In you still. Have you know you bring in standing in gunning a veteran coach Eric bledsoe is there. So we'll see how that bledsoe lonzo ball bearing goes the williamson adams. Pairing will be intriguing and then brandon ingram kind of it comes back on a on a mac contract. So that's another team that you know when we're talking about potentially being in that top eight or i guess top ten now with the plan that the you can certainly put pennsylvania's pencil the pelicans in there but what you're seeing and we're talking about the west right now is like this is a deep conference. I mean is a really deep conference and dallas in the world Golden state. Who knows what happens with that roster who knows what happens in houston with james harden and. We're how did john wall demarcus cousins come back the help employ and then the you know the top four teams that we talked about at at the top of the show and houston also added christian would dissolve season. A guy who had a breakout year last year. It is definitely intriguing for sure. memphis grizzlies. Another year of john. Mirant who's only gonna get better on paper As the floor general for that team as well they were in the thick of it at the end of the year. Somehow someway san antonio spurs always find the way to be competitive. Yeah the the west is deep and you know the sky is blue. It's it's it's. It's an incredible conference for shore in the nba Top to bottom and switching over to the east. I touched on a little bit as we began the topic. But i felt that The atlanta hawks. This year on paper travis slang put them in a position to be a playoff team with the free agent. Additions that he had and danilo gallinari bogdan bogdonovich not to be confused with boy on Cristiana and rajon rondo To me that was a team. That was a clear winner. Yes you touch on the bucks. Getting a drew holiday. I think getting bogged down. Bogdonovich would have certainly helped them further but they were able to disperse the his money elsewhere and at a couple of players as well Toronto losing a bacha. Ingersoll i do think is going to hurt. I know they got baynes and You know they re signed chris boucher. But it's gonna be interesting to see how they fare this year. They may take step back from that second seed as they were last year. But yeah for me. I you know what i don't think any traditional sense that people would say the brooklyn nets won the offseason. But anytime you get a healthy kevin durant and kyrie irving back into the fold that that's a that's a win in a sense. I'm curious steve. Nashes gonna star that pot With all those ingredients that he has to work with but yeah for me in the east. The clear winner was The atlanta hawks and obviously washington getting russell westbrook after not having john wall should upgrade them on paper but atlanta really stuck out to me When you look at the landscape of the east who were your winners. Yeah been we start with the with atlanta You know they basically the last years of of rented out caps bay take back Know some undesirable contract and then they've gotten draft picks to come with it. The allan crab contract year ago Jeremy lin before that tamao crawford And believe in either two thousand seventeen eighteen this year. They basically said. Hey we've got 'em forty four forty five million dollars. Catfish trae young's entering year three of his rookie contract. We need to you know. Put players around him kip to pieces around him When you look at you know with down the now gone aren bogdonovich. I really like chris done signing for two years. Basically ten million dollars at a really good value their rondo for you for fifteen and then you got quinta palace on the back who they acquired in the at the trade deadline in he hadn't played at all. So you basically have player that That you can kind of lump in there They're going to be interesting. Because the go in kind of as i say. Accelerate the rebuild around. You know trae young and The andre hunter and cam tish big things going to be. What happens with john holland He's extension eligible up until december twenty first where he mentioned eligible If there's no deal how to handle it. How to own handle it You've got got galadari. Likely coming off the bench here But it's all good problems or lloyd pierce their their head coach. Not absolutely. I think this is certainly the best team. Lloyd's add on paper For them to compete and coming off a season which they finished second worst in the east. I think i think they are a playoff team on paper at this point or at the worst games Do you see it that way as well i do. I think they're probably right at eight right now in. Its we talk about the west is. Dvd's is getting You know when you when you kind of just go through it. And who were those nine. You know who that. I guess at eight. Nine and ten grouping is that you know. Atlanta washington talking about charlotte. Maybe chicago takes a step in orlando cloud team the last couple years. But i do think they are. I think they're in that i would be. I'd be stunned at the worst. They're not playing in in that plane game. Next you know in may and washington. I think certainly gave themselves a chance to the playoff team again. From from what. I've heard within their organization. They think they can be a playoff team. Certainly with the westbrook charade and maybe even go higher than that somewhere around the six range in the east depending on how that shakes out Shaw getting gordon hayward in lamelo ball To pair with the backward that they already had in terry rozier devante. Ram is going to be interesting Eventually they're going to have to upgrade that Front court a little bit more with To pair with guys like pj washington miles bridges if they really wanna take step but They should be improved as well. So the is going to be interesting and You know philadelphia. Moving al horford. A lot of people thought that would be a tough task but he didn't fit with that team. I think now it's going to be interesting to see how they fare with really tobias playing more than four and if they can get ben simmons and joel embiid to help them take the next step in advance further in the playoffs Now with data mommy talk about the winners of the all season we talk about the loses every off season every off season we have. There's some teams that make some moves that we don't necessarily get or maybe we see it differently than they do You know assault with the west for me sacramento leading bogged down by walk for nothing. Surprised me because i felt and this is a philosophical thing and we saw this even with portland when they kept down crab years ago when The nets made the offer sheet. Generally you see teams matched those type of offers and try to flip a guy later on because it's an asset we've been not see that with sacramento at this point. They obviously have to monitor the buddy healed situation as well. Another guy who's come up in in trade rumors but for me really when i look at the the west that was it's one move but it was a move that i didn't necessarily understand what we thoughts on. What sacramento did with that situation and any other teams that you felt Didn't have as good of an off season they could have in the west. Yeah i mean. I think we're sacrimento and i agree with you there. If you can argument argument From both sides you know. They've got a brand new front office with Money-making who is in houston and based in the said. I'm going to shape this roster. How i see it And you saw with the you know with not matching the the seventy million dollar offer sheet on on bogdonovich I would probably have done it. It was a four year. Seventy two million dollar deal and a trade bonus in there but each one million dollars for a player in prime Coming off a good year. I think there still value to flip either at the trade deadline or are in the off season So let let him go So i see it. From money's perspective. I i totally i totally understand but on the other end you know if you knew that was coming in the navy act to have a little bit of some hindsight and maybe worked out a signing trade with You know with the hawks where you can lease the value back You know the the an fox rookie extension. It's similar to what Enver did with on samal murray You know you know where. Mitchell and tatum and bam have basically been on center stage. Have been You know big game certainly playoff games. You'll fox is a good player. Is the impact player. We're gonna to see you know we're gonna we're gonna see if he's one hundred sixty three million million dollar players so But it's hard for me to for loser Tag on that when it is a new office that is coming in And is looking to basically reshape it. As i said the their own vision I think we could certainly put a young questionable tag and we'll revisit it. You know a year from now or two years from now how. 'bout in these when you look at some teams that instead of if you don't wanna save Tag usually yeah. Is there any any teams in the background. That works that works for me. When you look at the infusing tag when you look at the east. I mean yeah i'm not going to say any other teams in the west. I think i know. I think the west it kind of speaks for itself but i think in the east mike. It's like i feel like detroit. Kind of took their what they did in a condensed off season. And turn it into a science experiment right like we don't know what is going to happen with this roster this year or going forward i mean three years sixty million dollars for jeremy grant. Who's a powerful already. Not a small forward or you've got all you've already. Oh you have seventy six on the hook to blake griffin here I thought three years twenty five million dollars for mason plumlee was a huge reach especially considering where Senators were on the market. And then you've got us on whiteside basically going for the minimum aron baynes. Went four two years with a non non-guaranteed in in in in year two So i think you know josh jackson for two years ten million. Okay for for the minimum. What he did at the draft You know. I thought they were In the teens was was a reach. day picking at nineteen moving off. Luke kennard You know who. Is you know a a lottery. Pick but it's another team where it's a It's a new front office with troy weaver You wanna give him the The betterment of the judgment here that He is going to reshape the roster wear how he sees it You know really you know. We'll see what happens with derrick rose. Who's on an expiring contract. But yeah probably the most. i guess. Questionable flash confusing is kind of how how the distance in recent reshape the roster as far as detroit goes my thing which were weaver is he's shown at least as part of the oklahoma city thunder regime that does have an eye for talent in the draft. So i'm curious to see how those picks shake out. But i'll give him the benefit of the doubt there as far as the signings you mentioned Yeah they certainly took the phrase go bigger. Go home to a whole new level this offseason. He kinda replaced vlady. Divac is the guy who loves centers for whatever reason in a league where we're trending more towards small ball. But yeah i you mentioned derrick rose to. I do think they're gonna eventually look to flip. Derrick rose at the trade deadline and get an asset back for him. It's been already determined that killian hayes. There are rookie draft pick is going to be the point guard of the president and the future But that doesn't mean that a guy like their growth doesn't have value to team contending. I do look for him to be their most sought after asset as we get into the season and looking at a possible trade candidate looking into the season. Other than that i touched on it earlier would have been nice if milwaukee could have ultimately landed bogged on by. But it didn't happen so we'll see now how those other guys that they added fill that void in a sense when they thought that they were going to get him when you look at the other teams in the east. I know people will say gordon hayward was probably overpaid and they had wave in stretch. Nicolas batum so you're talking about a guy who essentially cost them. Thirty nine million dollars but gordon hayward first of all in a situation like that if you're sure all you have to overpay to get that guy because he's not gonna go to that situation and be a lead dog there if he's not getting more compensated than if he was gone to you know whether it was resigning with the celtics are going to indiana or or other teams that had interest so For charlotte yet. They had overpaid again. But on the other hand they're also trying to to make to get better. Thank the interesting thing was. They paid him ultimately instead of kemba walker Campbell was asked about that at media. Day or mediaweek. It is now and he didn't have and better and that's that's actually looking better for him right now based on campus knees i i mean as much as as much as hayward has been somewhat injury prone with two out of three years. I mean it's like who rather have right now. Would you rather have One hundred million plus on kemba walker and a guy. Who's on the shell for. You know gordon hayward and i mean it's that's one you can throw up for debate for sure. And i think he's just going to be interesting to see how hayward and lamelo ball clicked with some of those guys they have in the back court. They already made a big commitment previously. Two zero zero in the back horde devante. Graham is a guy that's extension eligible. We'll see how that shakes out now for Charlotte but we also touched on. I mentioned about. Derrick rose being a guy that i could see us a trade candidate going into the year Certainly there's a big fish out there. The big cahuna. James harden that everybody's talking about right now is a guy that could be a trade candidate When i look at the houston rockets. Right now and hard in not being camp yet. It kind of reminds me of the. This is fine me with the fire around. It's obviously a bit of a hectic situation right now there for you when you look at some guys that could be trade candidates going into the year ho sticks out to you and and what do you make the james harden situation currently right now yeah harden and we'll wait and see what he has to say but from the from the outside looking in It is probably the worst case of player empowerment. I've ever seen in my years in the net and five years in the immediate. Here where you have. A player has got three years left on his contract. As basically had an opinion on how that roster Was put together when you look at dwight. Howard chris paul Russell westbrook john wall. Basically how How they've built at that roster in it's it's different than what. Anthony davis went through in in new orleans. Were eighty air for seven or eight years. I'd gone to a one to a conference semi-final one time in his career in basically said like i want out. I want to go somewhere where i can win on office. Hasn't done enough job but you let you can get something for me in value here. And he was on an experience expiring contract here in the hardest situation He's got three years left on his contract right. I mean everyone says it's too. But i still say free because it's forty seven million in year three and who knows where we're going to be in in three years from now here so it's a tough situation for working head coach steven stiles rookie. Gm in raphael stone as far as what direction they go with I'm interested to see if he when he shows up. Is there going to be any discipline or any fine or suspension here. I think if you if you suspend these still still has trade value based on what he can do on the court and what's left on that that That contract here and You know the they do holiday trade to milwaukee. I think least set the bar. On the draft standpoint when you're getting three one from to pick slops and get replied so in george hill so if you're if you're houston you're saying wait a minute. I've got hard on the context three years. All it could be afraid next offseason. I'm getting double of that. You know and the brooklyn have double that offer. I don't think they do Is it philadelphia you know. This is the ben. Simmons become made available here. Is that appeal to To the rockets here. So yeah. I mean i think. The hardest situation is fascinating. I've always said mike players You can get more value out of a player mature as the point win. This season gets going because let's face it. Teams are not in a honeymoon period anymore wins and losses mean things losing streak happen What happens if brooklyn gets off to a slow start here are they may be forced to do something that they wouldn't have done Three weeks ago. Yeah and if you're brooklyn you add kyrie irving into that trade. A guy that wanted to come to the nets organization grew up a fan of the team. Has that look from and off the court perspective. You know in previous years. The nets had been a major free agent destination for all star caliber players You guys had obviously acquired garnett pearson. Those guys through trades. So it's interesting to see how that would shake out. You touched on philadelphia. I think ben simmons would be possibly the best player they can get right now on the market if they were going to do a trade. We know daryl morey as an affinity and a love for james harden like probably no other and it would be an interesting pairing with joel embiid for shore other than that. You know how. We touched on hard. And i mentioned derrick. Rose you look at san antonio you look at lamarcus aldridge Dhamar rose is some guys that i could see being on the trade black because to me san antonio on the cusp of rebuild with their young team out in the west. Would you make those two guys. Yeah i mean you could probably put routing gain there too. I mean three really big largest firing contract Demar had kind of a taste of what the spurs are. Probably heading toward in the bubble When they really made any other lamarcus didn't play To injured And they really made a concerted effort to play with yanti. Marion derek. Whyte calvin johnson lying walker. Knock a total know some of those players here. How much of a buy-in aldridge going to have going forward. So i think those three players are interesting is because that's the team probably on the outside looking in probably any outside looking at the top ten when it comes to You know in the western conference. I think an interesting name mike. Pd tucker in houston. I think that's gonna be fascinating because tucker is on an expiring contract. He wants an extension. I mean this guy is an iron man. he doesn't miss game. He plays multiple positions. He is a team i player. You know he's not a really good Not a really good number at right. Close to eight million eight million dollars. So i think he's in a name to keep an eye on. I think spencer dinwiddie and brooklyn is certainly going to keep an eye on him just because He's on i caught. He is on an expiring contract. Apply auction for twelve million next year. But and this brooklyn team of ford you know keeping dinwiddie on a high number when you've already got the kyri making you know thirty three thirty four million dollars You know they had brought back to your harris your luxury tax bill for twenty one twenty two would go through the roof like it is Right now so. I think he's an interesting nemeth tucker's and interesting name. I'm not gonna throw bradley deal in that. Mix that that's kind of the easy way out. I think i think the west portrayed bought them some time there. I can feel you know. We'll probably revisit the bill discussion next offseason based on where that roster is Certainly what happens in indiana's would victor depot if that team gets off to a slow start with os depot You know on an expiring contract and miles. Turner as wells and another guy would indiana that His name had been floated out there a little bit. They've got a ton of big men in Gogo batat as so another guy. I would keep an eye out In the east for sure You touched on. Spencer dinwiddie agai. That absolutely is going to opt out of his player option. barring a catastrophic injury Which we hope does not happen for him But he has a chance to make a ton more money the summer Had a great year last year for the nets. yeah it's interesting with spencer. Because he's the best insurance policy you can have forgot. I kyrie irving who has shown in his career. I think i forget exactly. What the numbers but i want to say. He's played more than sixty five games three times in his career. I'd have to double check that. But something along those lines. And that's a full eighty two game. Season steve. Nash's already said he does not expect Career cade play the full seventy two game season. They're going to have a periodic Time so that's something. Keep an eye on. I don't know if you saw. This is wild but dinwiddie was asked The other day During a media session if he had requested a trade and he he responded to the reporters that he responded to. The report is question. I'm a little caught off guard. You're not a god takes less than market value to sign an extension the making a a trade request. I don't know about that one. He said But at that one i thought was interesting And i think pretty much touched on a lot of the guys that certainly i could see is trade candidates just because as you touched on as you get into the season losing streaks happen. Expect changes expectations are not met by certain teams. I agree with you especially on brad beal you know. I think bread build the trade talks. There's like everybody's trying to speak it into existence. The kinda pull on a lavar ball. They're they're just want to speak into existence and hey for lavar worked Currently he's got all three of his sons in the league with the liangelo getting a deal with the detroit to compete for a spot Obviously we know lamelo charlotte in lonzo in new orleans Other than that. I would say in orlando. I think aaron gordon guy certainly keep an eye on a lot of teams have checked in on him he's shown to be a versatile forward that in today's nba. As a four man could be an intriguing option It's just interesting to see what happens with them. Because jonathan isaac is going to be out for this year so maybe that makes them hold onto him because they don't have other frontcourt options they are at the four but obviously john hammon and jeff. Weltman love jonathan isaac. It'll be interesting to see how things shape up there Touched on miles turner I think we pretty much it on all the guys other than that as i'm looking through the east I think andre drummond maybe like the point On the last year of his deal. Yeah he's done an expiring How does he fit in With that that roster they had really had a a an eleven gained ample before You know the season was postponed in in mid No mid mark. I think it's interesting. What happens in denver right. Like if we guys like gary hires will barton in you know if the if the nuggets are on. That cusp birthday. Ms struggling can you know. They turned us through players. Turn into something there yet. They they've been dangled at the trade deadline before And other than that of one of the guy would see in the east to keep an eye on julius randle with the next they just got be topping. They've got to clear some playing time for him. And other than that you touched on in the west will barton gary harris. I completely agree with you. There you know houston happens. Would eric gordon. You could see a fire sale. If excuse me with james. If he gets moved. You can see our gordon getting moved as well in my opinion and then they were tear it down. Would be a totally different rebuild phase At that point is that we could be moved now. Wanna get your predictions. Now not gonna set these in stone tablet but i i. It's always people like those right funny like we do And now i gonna do it. Next year is when we have to predict Though in the playoffs right playoff series. And you pick you know. Like i tell you what people take that personal you know with you say. Hey the lakers are gonna lose six nuggets man or the celtics and losing five the heat. He knows celtic fan. They say they'll forget they take they take it like a personal. It just something. They asked me to do. Sit at my computer. I don't spend four hours analyzing the Different series and stuff like that but yeah people have Memories as far as when you do predictive Yeah and they always little screen shot them too so But at least in this case ron the pod it's audio little different Assad mvp most valuable player in the league for me. Anthony davis is a guy that certainly sticks out i know. Jared dudley has been kind of pushing that train. a little. Bit is the lakers teammate. If he stays healthy. I could say lebrons going need a little bit of time to Get his legs on him after. Just playing along playoff run in winning that championship Who do you see as your mvp for this season are you. Are you looking at my notes here. Down in florida mike. You have a camera in my in my office that you can see that i have. Add next to the mvp there and And i stayed. Because i want. I want to go the bron- but i just i'm concerned. As far as were his minutes. You're going to be in from a management Point i guess you could put in that category two. But i think he is going to have I think he's gonna have a monster year. I mean he might get this the honest double double were. Mvp defensive defensive player of the year here and so yeah. That's who i have down as my mvp. I think the interesting thing. Mike with jaanus is what happens if this guy has a monster year right like better than what we saw. The last two years will the voters have like that m bt right like are we going just like you know what. I can't do it again. I can't vote for him for years in a row year even though if you may be warranted that You know to be in that discussion here. So i think it's jaanus is gonna be interesting. I think what happens in goes day. We'll see a healthy. Hopefully we could see a healthy steph. Curry will be interesting Joel embiid and philly. Playing sadako rivers yokich in denver. A luca i mean luca in in dallas No windows Porzingas come back Can you kind of put that team on his shoulders like he like. He did during the last year in in a good portion of those playoffs there. But for me right now. I got the as ours my mvp. You know it's interesting at all those guys. You've touched on luca danni which is the guy that could probably be the closest to averaging triple double so you definitely have a a great case for him. I don't know if that dallas mavericks team is going to be high enough in the west given porzingas injury But hey to your point if he can carry them and make them a top four team in the west and poisoning his out for prolonged period of time that that could way with voters You know what you touched on if that guy puts up even better numbers than he has. Ads just remarkable i. That would be a great debate to have for sure and be you touched on. Yuck can stay healthy. The is got the talent to do it. Certainly and i think all those guys certainly make sense. Obviously you'd be remiss defeat mention a guy like hawaii or harden but it will be interesting to see But yeah if he stays healthy. I it just feels like eighties entering the real prime of his career and I think luka has obviously knock on wood a long career out of him Where he's going to be competing for that award. I get your thought process on janas so Seemed like were agreement with that on a d. For now you touched on. Ad is a possible defensive player of the year. The first guy. I think of when i think of this award. Obviously he's up there. I could see rudy. Gobert having a defensive player of the year season for utah just Coming off the year that he had last year. I think he's motivated along with donovan mitchell to take this team as far as they can so he's a guy. I don't even want to say to keep an eye on. Because we know that the type of impact he brings. But i think he's a prime contender with d for the award What say you my friend. Yeah i mean. I had or Defensive player year co is going to be fascinating. Just because of we've kind of i don't wanna say written quite often but you know certainly have. They lost last year. A lot of people on of this clipper team. This actually this could be this good and There's only question mark there You know how many games as he plays another another guy to watch go. bear in. utah is interesting You know because we you know. He's he had earned player of the year before he's been on defense he's another kind and expiring contract. We'll see over the next couple of weeks weeks if there's an extension that That could be worked out. Were had his dream on about draymond. Green in golden state now You know three months and come back healthy. I think he probably had certainly a little bit of an edge coming into this year because everybody is written his golden state team off with with with klay injury but yeah those are Those are probably from means he wa. Keep your eye on absolutely as we go through the other awards We'll go from. Mvp and defensive player to moscow a rookie of the year for me. I think i'll give you. I guess to me alcohol asleep. Repick killian hayes asleep repick because it seems like he's gonna have an ample opportunity to play get minutes and put up stats With detroit touched on it earlier. About derrick rose kind of being there to mentor him now. obviously james weisman steps into a great situation Lamelo ball being the pick. He was for charlotte. He's gonna get a chance and anthony edwards but killian hayes to me is is asleep or pick. I think for rookie of the year Which and be a freshman. Do you see coming away with hardware this year. Well i think the guys that pop. They're certainly going to be a learning curve when you're looking at With the anthea words games wiseman lamelo ball just getting from a game standpoint. Coming off last year You know two to three years players you know in the employees full full year as far as the eligibility issue wise men and then lamelo was her I like obi in new york. I think he can come in right now. Play twenty five thirty minutes Put up fifteen sixteen points. And i think that would be good enough for You know for rookie of the year One of those rare older players that was drafted in in the top ten. We always talk about eighteen. Nineteen year old pirates halliburton and in sacramento is going to be A name to keep an eye out. We've talked about Not matching the offer sheet on bogdanich Halliburton's going to have a lot of time. You know he'll he'll get some extended minutes here him but he'll the earn fox. You know we go with three court backcourt Of of guards here so those would be my Those would be. My two guys are as humbling to put one to Rookie of the year. I don't know if there's a person in the league that has a greater love for tires halliburton than you. My now i had the mentioned it. I just like we. We started with the show. And i talked about my locker. Portland did the offseason. That i people would be thinking. I was contradicted myself. I didn't talk about the trailblazers. Retirees halliburton you know. As far as what. I think he can do. But hey i talked about sars what i thought about him off the court for we're this is. This is a basketball discussion about on the court right now. Now absolutely i just got a kick when you're talking about him and he was one of the better interviews that you had in all your years doing the pre-draft interviews so i just teasing on that one. But obviously you're a fan of him on and off the court other than that you look at guys. Look at some six men of the year candidates with danilo gallinari coming off the bench in atlanta. I think he's still going to have a chance to play big minutes in the contributor on on a team. That should be the playoff. So i don't know if people looking at him as a guy that could compete for the award. But i'll be honest with you. I am not here to say all lou williams every year or you know the same guy is it. I always try to bring somebody different to the fall that maybe people aren't looking at So he's a guy. I would keep an eye on out in the east when you look at guys that are going to be studs off the bench who sticks out to you. I got two names. Aurea Hyler hero and i say tyler. He'll come off the bench and miami goes dragen. Jimmy butler duncan robinson You know a combination of hark list olympic At the ford and bam. So i think tyler will probably. They'll probably come off the bench book finished. Probably all these games here and then steph curry in philadelphia. I think i think how the sixers play And how they went about improving their shooting. I think steph is going to have a huge opportunity You know get you know to get fourteen to sixteen point night down in down in philadelphia. So i'm taking two shooters With hurry with Heroin incurs mona league where shoot. And it's a bit of a small bo- ball era. i can certainly see those picks Most improved. I touched on it earlier at the very start when we talked about. And you talked about. Paul millsap coming back to me michael porter jr. after what we saw on the playoffs. If this guy can stay healthy to me is absolutely going to be. The league's most improved player. This kid has star potential written all over him in terms of the skill set. If this kid can just stay healthy his award to lose what do you think while we can't like we can't vote for like a player that was elected in the top tier. Three right like we can't vote for luca again or brandon ingram again bike. You know that that's one of the big things. That kind of is my pet peeve. As far as you know and i think those two players are heck paca players and hundred years last year. But how do we vote for branding. Or for most improved the top three pitch. I was with the same. I think this qualifies those guys right off the bat same on the team if these guys are most improved than year three or four. But i am going to actually agree with on michael porter. Jr. as most improve and i think this this stage is is there for him to get. This award did not play his rookie year. We saw last year. I'm really scratching the surface and then come into the into the playoffs and Had some high moment certainly a work in progress in this manner. Just get his get his feet. Wet here but Mike malone has been pretty up front as far as saying. Hey i know who my star point guard is with with mary. I know my starting big is with Nicole yokich everything else is up for grabs here. You know Between jerry harris and we'll barring and With quarter and paul millsap. Here that This this starting job. Is there for porter cake in if he doesn't take it You're going to see you're going to see his minutes at a at a really good clip This year i agree glue. Glossy i on that and the last war that we have to predict coach of the year. Now for me. I always look at this for me. I look at it a couple of ways. Yeah you could have the best team in the best record. Biles look for guys that can make a big turn around with their teams young curious to see what stan van gundy does with the pelicans being where they finished more towards the bottom of the west i think they can if they can become a playoff team in the west. I think you'd have to look at him as a guy that could be a candidate again. These are all hypotheticals. Same thing with a guy like lloyd pearson the east given where atlanta finished second worst team in the east last year if they can become a playoff team. I think that's a guy that's gonna deserve some consideration and also sticking in the east steve nash. Here's my thing with that. Maybe you look at that and say while it how much of that is xs and os. But as we've seen with a guy. Like steve in golden state when you do have stars. It's about managing those collective personalities and when you're managing guys like durant and kyrie and getting that all to mesh with the players that they have with the trade rooms that are swirling around james harden. I think he's a name To watch as well a coach the year i think is the hardest award to Pick by the. Why because it's all based on team success and you don't know injuries and things like that but with that said who do you look at it as a potential coach of the year candidate or candidates. All right. i've got re down here in the first one is. I'm going to throw you a terrible dwight. Gooden nineteen eighty four. New york met her ball right now. And i'm gonna say nate bjorkman in indiana. I'll have things stages set ornate. And we don't i mean we like where we pooh-poohing we'll see it at the sixty right. I think i think if if the meals don't fall in the old depot situations doesn't go haywire here in bra you know. There's a lot of their mocking. Broadening can stay healthy and tony and He jay warned to play like warren in orlando heading. Indiana team can jump into the top four top five eastern conference. I really do. And i think the bonus and turner will see what happens there. And i think we're gonna be hearing about rookie coach. Nick york his name being mentioned For coach of the year as far as what he can do their by second analyst. Is james break go in charlotte. We've talked about the The hey the hayward signing lamelo ball You've got devante grand terry rozier year You still have your peter. Washington miles british. I think And we can talk about that hayward contact forever years three and four But hayward is gonna make seem a lot better and i think You know if they can get into that that eight nine range i think brady goes going to get some votes for For for coach of a couple coach of the year and my third one is you know maybe a little more obvious is probably monty. Williams and phoenix Especially for team. That's been dormant for making the playoffs here that If they can get. And i'm not saying if money gets into eight. He should be coach of the year. But i think if they can make a big jump in maybe sneak into that internet. Six range Maybe five six range Then he should be up there for as one of these guys being Popped back coaching year. I certainly agree with them. I agree with jira picks on that is going to be an interesting season to see which teams meet expectations. Which seems rise. Above which teams falter. You know bobby. We pretty much preview the league from top to bottom as always a love talking with you. Appreciate your insight was a pleasure my man. Thank you for those tune in. And if you want to follow bobby on twitter keep up with his instant salary cap. Updates in front office moves around. The league can follow him on twitter. At bobby marks forty two and make sure you check out his work on. Espn dot com. Everybody thanks for tuning in as always if you wanna hear. More episodes of hoops hype podcast with players coaches media personalities. And people like bobby marks make sure you can subscribe to it on spotify apple podcasts and anywhere else that you listen to podcast you can also keep up with my tweets on twitter at mike. Gay scotto until next time. I'm your host. Michael scotto wishing yours all the best.

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S2 Ep 22: International Draft Prospects

Chad Ford's NBA Big Board

41:24 min | Last week

S2 Ep 22: International Draft Prospects

"It's the lock on podcast network team every day aloha. You're listening to chat. Ford's big board on the lockdown podcasts. That work today's guest is raphael barlow from nba draft junkies dot com and one of our new host on locked on nba draft. He host The podcast on monday and thursday. Our new podcast on the locked on podcast network. This episode is brought to you by locker room locker room app from the app store and find one of our locked on rooms locker room changing the way we talk sports. It's great to have you on board. Welcome to the lockdown podcast network family and welcome to the big board podcast. Thank you for having me. I've worked for years so i will. You reached out to males kinda like looking at my phone like this. Is the real chad for reaching out to me. So it's always cool to talk basketball with someone. Like i said i've been following your work for a while. I've been really impressed with both the podcast. If you're doing and for our listeners. What more nba draft that that podcast runs runs daily Monday through friday Rafael's the host on mondays and thursdays and wanted to start with your background. Your journey of becoming a draft analyst and an expert in the draft and And especially something that. I think you've been known for lately and frankly where i got my start. Many years ago is on scouting international draft prospects. Yes the how. I got my start with say i guess you can say started with the texas legends. I was with the texas legends and the g. league was the d. league at the time but actually before that i had a quick stint with like the fort worth flyers and that was i don't know maybe two thousand and four thousand five ish and then i kinda got out the you know just working sports as tough and i ended up you know getting regular job but i wanted to get back into it and then from the legends. I knew that. I wanted to work in scouting but i knew that i needed to do something a little bit different so i ended up doing video. Projects learn how to be videography. Learn how to end up doing some skills training for for different guys just kind of look my way into that but the big break for me was i was actually in paris with my parents and i tweet. It was just a tweet. That says man i love living. I love being abroad. I would love the experience to live in europe. And i got a text. Maybe like ten minutes later from a good friend of mine brandon greer. who is a nba agent. He says you really like to do that. And i say yeah so. That might have something for you. That was in june fast forward to september. I was living in istanbul turkey. I was doing some video. Projects for epa yudo. And at the time i had just started the website and i wanted to figure out a way to make myself a little bit different and i had opportunity to live in europe and watch different Prospects like scotty like the adidas next generation tournament and then that was two thousand sixteen. So that was the They had some issues in turkey. They end up having the fiba under eighteen in december and i went to that tournament. It was my first time travelling within turkey by myself and i went to that tournament and that was determinant. Where frank ntilikina coon boulia as their hearts nine. A genre mussa played net inside. Remember taking notes from there. And i thought like you know what i may have a niche ben this american that knows the international prospects in and out so i just kind of went from there. It's really interesting when i was just starting at. Espn one of my ideas and this is this is way back. This is like in two thousand and two was to as a journalist travel with international scouts around the world and and see these prospects it used to be the case that for the most part you know when international prospects were drafted in the draft. See a little bit of grainy footage. You'd have really very basic sort of scouting report each year on draft night. We didn't know a lot about him. And i just cited. We should know more about them and Eight year turned out. The first guy that i scouted a nikoloz tskitishvili turned out to not be much immigration. Be a player Though it did end up developing a great relationship with mike d'antoni who was a coach At the time at benetton in interviews oh and and then made his move back to the nba but the next year was the darko. Milicic draft and You know going over and scouting him right alongside and be scouts. I fell in love with the international game as well. It's difficult i found to. I've always found this to be the case to always accurately project international players in the nba. I've i've been doing this a while and have a handful of massive bus and a handful of massive surprises on on my hands with this and so as we approach this year's draft which i think in general and the team say is the strongest international draft but there are some intriguing prospects. I thought it'd be worth having a conversation with you today. I just wrote a story about it on my website. Www dot nba big board dot com international. But y'all start with this idea that three of the season's top four nba players and wind shares. And that's a stat that measures. How many wins the player. Produces are nicola yokich. I've really bay and yana satoko. They're all international. Players not play college ball. Yokich was drafted in the second round. Gobert was drafted in the late. First round authentic Just outside of the lottery. And so i mean. These are massive mrs for nba teams. When you think about how predicted these players aren't even look dodge Was passed by three teams. Was the hawks who who traded down. And now he's already two time all star but then on the other hand you've got drug bender dante. Xm till akina yawn. Vassily mario has Darko milicic we could go on and on and on of players that were drafted really highly in the draft but turned out to really not be productive the invasive so this is this is hard and i'm curious what your perspective is on why it seems to be a bit harder in translating what we see from the international players who don't come over and play college ball or don't come over and play in the. Us i why is it so hard to get this right well. I think it's hard to get the draft period true. If you look at derrick williams he was the second pick and he's out of the league right now he's he's planning europe he looked at 'em hushing the b. e. I mean you can look at different guys that the nba scouts had thirty to fifty games of college basketball to watch them and they still weren't able to get right. So i guess my biggest issue is is that you know. The darko draft hurt all international prospects. Highly rated prospects because everyone is going to on mattie just kinda soon you know his name sticks it. It's you know you heard often when luker was you know being highly regarded even rubio. I feel like rubio has had a great nba career. He's been a starter for almost ten years. Which is very hard to do. But a lot of people generally don't think that he's lived up to the hype that he had coming in to his draft year. But i just think it's it's hit or miss regardless whether the prospect is born in serbia born in chicago it's a great point And i think it it's exacerbated by the lack of exposure. I mean and this year is particularly challenging because many of the main decision makers in the nba were not cleared to travel over to europe because of the strict pro cova protocols that the nba put in place this season until just recently and so everything is based off of game film which we have a lot more today than we have forever. But i think for a lot of teams. It's it's seen guys in person Watching practice being able to collect information as well about these prospects in and trying to understand how not just their games but does their personality and everything else translate over to the us and so it's going to be interesting draft this year because i think at least the field that i get from talking to scouts and especially higher level decision makers in the nba. Is that there. there's some concern about just. What kind of handle that they have on these prospects and then we're going to top it off because we're gonna talk about these prospects in in a minute. They all are really in their own ways. Unique prospects with some really high ceiling stuff to their game and some really scary floor stuff to their game. There's no sure thing. I think at least say that In this in this year's draft with international do you agree with that. Yeah i agree. I agree a hundred percent. But you know even with luca. There was a lot of people that had doubts. And i feel like i had an advantage because i was living over there at the time. I had a chance to watch him play. Then i was there at the Euro basket where he really put on a show. So i did not have any doubts but as you remember getting close to draft time you know you saw. He was too slow. You know he. And so i think you know. I think if people doubted him with a great body of work that he had. Then you know everyone's going to have some concerns. That was crazy. I was i was on my. Espn hiatus during that time but that one was a hard one for me to understand. I get you know he. He doesn't have the greatest lateral quickness in the world but but as far as like elite. Basketball prospects go. It's he was incredible. I loved him with ati should have been the first pick in the draft will look when we when we come back. We're gonna talk about Our top international prospect for the two thousand and twenty one. Nba draft years. Chad ford's nba. Big board on the lockdown podcast network. This episode is brought to you by locker. Room locker room. Is the first. Social media platform made for sports fans. The app is free to download. And once you're in you can talk with fans athletes and insiders real time about your favorite team or sport. Locker room is the perfect place to start or joined conversations about the league. You'll find fans just like you unlock room for watch. Parties debates postgame breakdowns of course reacting to big news or rumors. You can even find lockdown host across the nba mlb nhl. Go download the free locker room app now. Currently available on all ios devices be sure to create a profile link your twitter and joined the group for the latest league updates. I know you will find a ton of incredible rooms around your favorite teams and leagues download. The locker room app today. Locker room changing the way we talk about sports and we are back with raphael barlow from nba draft junkies dot com has a new podcast locked on nba draft. He hosted on monday and thursday. We got his back story in the first segment talked a little bit about scouting national prospects overall. We're going to dive into the twenty twenty one. Nba draft and some of the top international prospects. Here and i'm just curious. I'll let you lead here. Who's your favorite international prospect in this draft. This is tough because it switches every other day. It's between mongol ruler. Real madrid I like our pension gone from bench attached at a turkey and then josh giddy is the name also needs to be mentioned there as of today. I think i'll go with garuba. He started off as as my number one. At the beginning of the season. I think that best case scenario he could be like a paul millsaps type player. I think that he's are ready. A high level defender. I think that he's going to be able to defend multiple positions in the nba hitting under-sized. That six eight. But he has a long wingspan think. He's a pretty good athlete but the fact that he's able to play minutes and they trust him at real madrid. Plan the yearly such a young age to me that that's really impresses you look at past nba International prospects a lot of them. I shouldn't even say a lot of them. A few of them were on your league teams but there are some that weren't actually rotation players. He's actually in their rotation he's playing and and i think that should translate well for him and at such a unique thing when you're talking the level of a real madrid and it was one of the things people were pointing to a dodges. Well it's it's not just that they're getting minutes but they're getting minutes on an elite club in europe meaningful minutes and dodges. Casey was dominating. And you know garuba's nineteen years old right now and he got minutes last season as well for them and this is not normally the case especially with these league clubs because they're not ended developing young players. They're into a winning winning championships because they know when these young players developed there. It's not like it's not like an nba team developing rookie. Who's going to be with them. A long term contract leaving for the nba. They know that they're developing them for somebody else. And so it says something about him that he's able to get on the four he's undersized but has reported seven to wingspan. That's gonna make up for some of that. I see all the defensive potential there to be a defensive monster in the nba. what about his offensive game. I think that he has athleticism. I think that he he could have a role as just like this energy guy gets a lot of junk baskets off a dump offs. He has shown some ability to knock down corner threes and he's also had a few plays that. I've been impressed away. Put the ball on. The floor made a couple of quick decisions. I really like him as a pasco. I really like the his passing instincts and phil. I don't think he's going to be like a superstar. But i think he's going to be like this ideal role player glue guy that plays winning basketball has the intangibles to just kinda fill up the stat sheet. I think he'll rebound. I think you'll make winning. Plays i think he'll he'll pass the ball he'll wanna floor. So that's why. I'm high on him just because i think that his game and skillset will translate to any system because at project him to be a high level role player. Where would you draft him right now. As far as the draft range goes like what's appropriate given given this draft. And i know you're scouting a lot more than just the international prospects so given this draft. Where's the appropriate range. Where does he like. Sit on your board. I have in mid to late mid first round at best case scenario late lottery but i have them somewhere between about thirteen through twenty. But i feel like with this draft. Six through twenty is all over the place so it's not learn much of a hot take it definitely after you get past that first five though. I think there's i think there's some players that starting to solidify themselves as top ten picks. You're right there's a lot of variability there. I've a little bit lower on my board is talking to you. I expect that we'll see some shift as they get over to europe and really get a better feel. I think everybody's a little bit gun shy from the nba perspective right now and international prospects. I think they feel more familiar. And more confident with the american prospects right now but that that you may see some significant shift upwards as we get closer to the draft and they get some time over in europe Let's talk about singling out of turkey is he. Is he your number two guy or or is he. Yeah he's he's my number two right now as of today like i said it's been changing and fluctuating the past few weeks. What's interesting is i saw him and guru play head to head in the two thousand nineteen i think it was the under eighteens and when i saw him at that time i thought man. This guy is good. I did not see the progression. I did not see him as a potential. I've seen him on the lottery. And in some mock drafts. I just did not see i thought he was. You know the touch was there. You know the the wide-body frame thirty good footwork. But he slimmed down a little bit and the season that he's having right now is i mean. It is really remarkable. Because i feel like as far as domestic leagues in europe. I think that the acb's the best. And then i feel like maybe the the turkish league is the second best league and you can make a case right now and say. He is the best player in the turkish league. The best big so I may just far as like the touch. The passing the footwork. Unfortunately for him he was born in the wrong era. I think if this were two thousand one instead of two thousand and twenty one. He'd be considered a top five. Pick but i really like him and i i really think that if he can and expand his range and become a more reliable outside shooter which he may be able to do probably won't get a chance to see him. Do that for bishop tash right now. But i'm i'm really high on him. Yeah those those historic numbers that you're talking about Nearly twenty points a game For a player who is Eighteen years old right now. he's not. He hasn't returned. Nineteen while the youngest players draft near a nine rebounds. A game to nfl assists the game a block and a half a game shooting sixty four percent as effective field. Goal percentage right now. And you can't deny it's like something you have to watch really carefully. When young players produce at this level in europe you have to pay attention to them. Because they're against men every night they're playing against professionals are playing against americans on these teams enable to put up these numbers. But when you know when you watch him. I think you made the point right. If this was two thousand and one i get it but in in two thousand and twenty one. He's he's a tough translation for me because he's kind of gets everything around the rim. He's he's he's amazing when he's in the pain But he shooting seventy seventeen percent from three That's red flag. one His free throw percentage is better which is which is is good. I'm he doesn't have the athleticism like we normally think of our guys to be able to go out. Guard of people in the perimeter doesn't have the quick feed the explosive athleticism. What's his best case. Scenario given what we know about the nba today like who does he compared to that. You can look at and say okay. He could have a career like this given how skilled he is but given his lack of a lead athleticism elite size for position. You know maybe if he's seven two or seven three this. This plays out a little differently for him. Where do you. What's a good cop for him. I kinda don't like the lazy comparison of european to european. But i think that if you said ditch can be starting center on a quality. Nba team. I can have a role similar to that. They're both good touch round. They both have touch around the room. White frame footwork and then So yeah i mean. I think that could be a decent comparison affiliate. Well i'm blazers fan. I feel like if merkich was able to stretch the floor. A little more would help the blazers offense out also but he's only eighteen and he'll still be eighteen on draft day at as last time. I checked the free throw percentages in seventy eight percent. Yeah he has the touch especially around the room. The shot he makes remers requires a lot of touch. I think that he has the touch to what he should be able to expand. Its range and i think that will help them out a lot as far as being a a center in the modern nba. Being what. I think we have to be careful with with him is. I've heard some people go. In my opinion too far and say will look you know people said the same thing about the color yokich comey now like not a great athlete. You know kind of lumbering big man. You know how he's gonna. How's he going to translate weather reasons. He slides into the second round. But yokich was a wizard as a passer His his basketball skill set even in europe before he came over was extensive everywhere on the floor. And that's just not the case with with single. I i don't. I don't see the same level of like basketball. Savant is probably one way to call your yokich that that you see in good so i don't think it's fair to say. Hey look at who who may very well win. Mvp in the league this year and say you know if he can make it so concerned single. Because i think there's something different there. Yes i agree. I mean that's why. I didn't want to throw the comparison. Now because it's it's tough to compare kid to an mvp. But i feel like if you compare them at the same stages you know it. It's obvious like singapore and is has had a better career europe as far as at the same stage. But i think that his passing is good. I mean not on yoga just level but there's a play that comes to mind where he was driven the ball up the court. I want to save on the left side and transition and he turns back and whipped behind the back pass to a to a cutter for layup in. Just the one the confidence to pull off that passed and the creativity and so he's had a few other passes where it made me realize locating that his potential as a as a guy that you can give the ball to an opposed to win double teams. Come he can make place. Others is pretty high so and i also think that he can make plays in the middle of the floor. Like if he's on a team where they're trapped in the point guard you can give him the ball at the at the free throw line and he able to possibly put the ball on. The floor may be able to find her from cutters. Also i i like his upside as a playmaker comparing him to yokich. Who's i mean you can make a case and say outside of arvydas already the best passing big man in nba history there. That's a stretch for me. Where would you where. Where's your draft range for him. Right now i think that like will you mentioned that with. Nba scouts been able to go over there. Now i think his stock could rise and fortunately for him angle rubel by them playing and turkey and spain though seasons last pretty long allied sometimes june late june so they have a few months to go scout them but also feel that he's in the same range. I think that he could also you know in the bente lottery. Pick so for example. If you're the oklahoma city thunder. I think you if you end up with a lottery. Pick which more likely they will Feel of them. I think take a chance him regardless of what you're making all right. Let's talk about the guy who's number one on my Single was number two on my board of international prospects. The number one guy. My board josh giddy the six say wing point guard depending on what you wanna call him out of australia. Another really young prospect just doesn't turn nineteen until october Is having a big year in australia. right now. for the adelaide thirty six sixers. What do you think about him and his draft prospects. I you know coming into the season. I thought that he was a player that was going to get a lot of. Nba looks but because of his age. I thought he will return for another year but the way he's been playing lately i it's it's a no for him to interest name an nba draft. He's had a great year and really you can say it's comparable to lamelo year last year in australia. He's a great passer fun to watch at at the very minimum. He's he's fun to watch He's just a wizard with the basketball. He's i had a chance to to watch him at the basketball at our borders at the nba nba all star weekend last year. And you know one of the first things that stood out to me was he was really really slow lack ideal athleticism but he was able to just make everyone around him better in those games and at the end of the day. That's that's really the most important thing i feel like for point guard. Are you making everyone better. Are you making the game easier for your teammates. S something that he does. He seems like he's a triple triple double threat every night player. Who's going to rebound pass. The ball can score in multiple ways Jump shot seems to be the swing skill for him right in what he can become at the next level. He's also not a super explosive athlete though it his size. Some of that gets mitigated What do you think what do you think he needs to do to to become an elite prospect in the nba. Well like you mentioned the swing skills. The shooting. I don't think he's going to be able to do much about like the lack of bursts and You know athleticism. But i feel like he needs to speed up his shot. I think it's like a a slower shot. That makes it a little bit even more difficult to shoot a higher percent especially if you know Because a shot so slow. I think sometimes it can turn somewhat of an open look into a contested shot And then i feel like they're also are times where he's not looking to score where he's driving to pass and teams are going to be able to to sit on that and understand that he's not really looking to attack the rim obviously getting stronger but if of course you can say that because he's only eighteen years old so i think once he gets stronger he'll be able to be better at finishing through contacts and You know just become better shooter which will open everything up because affleck in today's nba if you're not a threat to shoot it kind of limits what you can do as a point guard because teams are going to go under your screens and You know. I feel like the best passers in the nba from your lebron james. Hard into luca. The reason why they're so dangerous as passers this because there are also a threat to score. So i think for him best the extent for him. I find him really intriguing Maybe he's the prospect that you see like this guy this crazy upside sort of everything clicks for him a certain way i have a. I haven't as a potential lottery pick. I think he's going to get drafted somewhere. Between eight and fifteen. Where were you comfortable having them drafted. Oh my last. Mock had him down to twenty one and it's not because i'm holding anything against him. I just feel like with the shooting that it's a big concern like as of now the last one was i saw about thirty one percent. Three the free throw percentages and great. Also it's in the mid sixties. Last time i checked so i think that is potentially an issue because like i mentioned in if you're a point guard if you're not a real threat to score i think it just kinda limits your your potential as a as a playmaker all right when we come back we'll talk about other international prospects that could be a drafted in the two thousand twenty one nba draft. 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I'm swinging for the fences here. But i'm going friends. Blind from belgian. I think that he has a tremendous upside. He's six ten he can handle. He can shoot a little bit. He moves very well. He's fluid. And i think that he is like a wild card if he pans out then i think team has a a a big time still but i i just really love the fact that he's a sixteen playmaker plays a little bit of flash and flair to his game and i just think that he has the versatility that that Nba teams covid. Where would you be comfortable. Drafting him. I have him probably late first round early second. I do believe that he's a guy that wants. Team start to get a chance to watch him a scout more that his name could start to skyrocket as we get closer to draft time any any a player make a comp with him on who. That's a tough one. I think maybe at his best he could be like chandler. Parsons type player. And i feel like what chandler parsons. He was just a few years away from being gay. Know a really really high level. Nba player. He was thinking like six. I sixteen could handle the ball. You could plan pick and roll. He can shoot. Unfortunately injuries robbed him of his prime. But i think there are some similarities between him in france. Alright who's your next guy After him anybody else that you think should be cracking. The first route first round is tough. I don't have anybody else in the fresh. Maybe and i may butcher this name. roko khatun from savona. He his name is. I've seen him as a mid first round pick and some boards. And i've seen them you know mid second round But i i like him a lot. I think that he has an interesting skill set. I mean he won he. Can you know serve as energy. I think that he has some upside as shooter complain. A post a little bit But i think that he's one of the more intriguing prospects in draft or the international class. Also he he's interesting too because he's actually putting up some significant numbers As well i in croatia right now and whenever you're thinking about six ten guy Again very very young doesn't nineteen until november twenty six just to kind of put him in perspective And came off a huge game the other night. Thirty eight points. Ten rebounds Six rate shooting from three against Dr is what's what's the downside. When you're talking about a player like him is. It is his lack of lead. Athleticism or quickness is streaky. His shootings been streaky. But he certainly doesn't seem to be afraid to let it fly. it's funny. You said that. When i looked at my notes that was one of the first things i said is that he doesn't lack confidence and there was a game where he their team was leaving him open and he missed a lot of shots but he still was shooting you letting it fly like he was fired for five But yeah i mean. I think he's a fairly good athlete. Will i should say he looks to finish everything around the rim with dunk when he gets the opportunity He may not be like super-quick twitch. I mean he's not like greg brown or anything like that. But i do think that he's a pretty good athlete and has a game for the modern nba. He can face up. He has decent full work. He runs the floor Said i like the upside has shooter and Especially as i think. He's a pretty good pass out of the high postal. Let's talk about another another prospect that seems to have varying degrees of buy in from mba teams. Right now Rocus yoko by the point guard out of lithuania. Who seems to be the consummate european floor. Leader point guard but some questions about his shooting in his athleticism at the next level. At by you should came out last year at He had a very hot streak towards the end of last season and You know. I just thought that. Especially last year's draft was considered a little bit weaker. And i thought that if you came last year he would have been drafted but i like him six four. I'm biased a little bit. Because i'm left handed but i think he has a high q. Steady likes to play under control. I've been watching him for man. I want to say like four years now for four years now so I think the first time i saw him play was at one of the maybe adidas next generation tournament during a final four. And two thousand. I guess it was two thousand sixteen so maybe five years now and then i felt like he kind of really made a name for himself when you went head to head with lamelo ball. I felt like he outplayed them as far as like his weaknesses. Yeah the the lack of athleticism. He doesn't have a right hand at all. I thought chilean was left. Hand dominant but he might even more left hand dominant than killian hayes. Of course like he doesn't have the vertebral pop and not for him to get to the rim he. He needs a screen. And i think that he's it's tough because i think that he has nba potential. But i wouldn't be shocked to see him just end up being like a very very high level garden year league for the rest of his career. Anybody else that were were sleeping on right now that we should be taking a closer look at the out of france and you a big the garen think that he had i should say he has the the sized athleticism. He has all the physical tools that nba teams look for. I don't think he's as skilled as the other players that we've mentioned. But just with his athleticism. He's six five at think he's more of a a two than a one. I think that he has a shot. Just because he's he just has some things that you can't teach so. I think a team with a good development program with what will take a risk on him to see if they can modem into italy. Nba player. Alright overall where would you rank this international draft class among the ones that you scouted. Last year's this is this good is mediocre Worry underrated where would you put it. Kinda tough to say I think it's a good class. it doesn't have at least in my opinion it. It doesn't have like your your luka doncic but i. I think it's a good classroom like i said i think the route will be a pretty good role player. I think she'd gone if he i think he's an mba starter. So i think you should be able to get at least four guys. I i believe that should be able to maybe play four or five in the nba. This class. I know you don't just draft or discount. International prospects are just gonna put you on the spot the end. Who's your number one. Pick in this draft hem. It's a i think he's gonna tear by himself. Oh really okay. This is a no brainer for you. Kate cottingham every team no matter who gets the number one pick they're taking k cunningham. I i believe so. I think if minnesota has the number one pick they have some. They have some tough decisions to make. Because there's a lot of redundancy there with with the gaza on the roster. But yeah. I mean i'm taking kate whether in detroit or orlando oklahoma city. Cleveland sacramento orlando. Yeah even like toronto. Take kate number one. And then who's your second guy off. You're bored then after kit cutting now i think i'll go with mobely even though there's a lot of concerns or questions about whether or not you know a big if you can build around a big. But i'm looking at the two top. Vp candidates this year are. I'm against both of them. Weren't even born in the united states but are big. So i think what yokich and beat i think mobely is their skilled. I think he has the potential to be a a very impactful to a player. So i i would take him number two but then again if you're minnesota i think he's more of a center than a four and i've seen some people say as a force. I think it'd be interesting fit with cat. But outside of minnesota take number two. 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124: Wine Clubs, Wine Finds & Tasting Tips with Paul K - Part 1

Unreserved Wine Talk

43:39 min | 3 weeks ago

124: Wine Clubs, Wine Finds & Tasting Tips with Paul K - Part 1

"My specialty is fifteen to twenty five dollars. That's where most wine is particularly now during covid there's so many winds coming at that pressuring the way we tasted not like spectator or the wait one enthusiasts might taste. I'm the guy that's going into the wine shop with you into the supermarket. I see twenty twenty dollars cabernet. So i've tasted them. All and i can tell you that this was really worth forty bucks based on the other things that are forty dollars and the one over here is really like ten. And there's a lot of those in our job is weed those out. Yeah see you kiss a lot of venus frogs defined the bottles. So what would you say is your sort of ratio for tasting rejects. Like i taste ten. And i pick one or whatever i know it will vary but on average. How many are you tasting versus. How many do you offer to your wine club members. If i've tasted wines in a month i will probably reject two hundred fifty of them most. Do you have a thirst to learn about wine. D love stories about wonderfully obsessive people. Ponting lee beautiful places and amusingly social situations. That's the blend here on the unreserved. Wine talk podcast. i'm your host natalie maclean and each week i share with you unfiltered conversations with celebrities in the wine world as well as confessions from my own tipsy journey as i write my third book on this subject. I'm so glad you're here now. Pass that bottle please. and let's get started. Welcome to episode one hundred and twenty four which regions rates and styles are undervalued. And worth trying. Should you be skeptical of celebrity endorsed lines. How can you choose a good wine club. And what simple strategy can you use to improve your tasting cabriolet our guest. This week has answers for you. Plus lots of great wine tips and stories. And i've got a bonus for you. In addition to this podcast. I'd love free to join me for the premiere. Watch party of the video of this conversation. That i'll be live streaming for the very first time zoom instagram facebook and youtube tonight at seven pm. Eastern all include a link where you can sign up for this doom tasting and future zoom tastings and chats for free in the show notes at natalie maclean dot com forward slash. One two four. The video will show you the pictures and other visual elements that we discussed in the podcast. I'll also be jumping into the comments on all four platforms as we watch together. So i can answer your questions in real time. It's like the netflix version of the podcast. Plus you can talk to me and ask me questions as we watch together you can also see what other people thought of this conversation and get the answers to their questions. Plus you can win a personally signed copy of rex pickett's novel sideways which was made into the hit movie as well as a bottle of sideways pinot noir. All you need to do is comment on the social media post that i create about the contest. Just pick your favorite platform. Instagram facebook or twitter and comment on the post. I created before seven pm on april twenty first in the show notes. You'll find a link to these posts a full transcript of our conversation how you can join me in a free online wine and food pairing class and where you can find me on. Zoom of facebook and youtube live on video every wednesday at seven pm. That's all in the show notes at natalie. Maclean dot com forward slash. One two four now on a personal note before we dive into the show. Her mom shared a story with me. From when i was about a year and a half old. She used to take me for walks in my stroller every day and we followed the same route. Often that passed by a small toy store in the window was a little plastic dog on wheels. And i point to it every time. And we'd stop and we'd look at it and so for christmas that year. She got me that little dog. But apparently i didn't play with it much. I wasn't even interested in it however on our next walk as we're approaching the store i started pointing at the window and looking at her. She says puzzle disappointed. Apparently i wanted that doggie in the window to stay right where he was. This really reminds me now. The difference between wanting and getting mothers to vacation shoes were wind. Sometimes the wanting of the anticipation is better than the getting in having it. What do you think. Let me know okay on with. The show is the host of lying pox. With paul k which entered his wine industry royalty and michelin starred chefs. He also is the owner of the original wine of the month club which sends wines directly to consumers all over. The united states is expertise spans thirty years and it was actually his father who came up with the idea of sending wine through the mail. Back in nineteen seventy two. And i'm so pleased you're here with us this evening. Welcome go thank. You have to be on the show. How great great background. I was just commenting on that before we got going. Is this your studio or is this your home. Where are you joining us from. Well we didn't have a studio here at the office for southern california and we're working with this lighted sign was not litter right now. The technical difficulties of course. But we're actually going to do something kinda cool we're gonna paint back here in black and white. What was my father's store. Oh really well. that's a storefront. Yes in it'll be it'll be like kind of new color color but the store will be black and white like it's vintage. Oh i love that this new again all right. So let's just kick it off before we get into. Why did a month in different lines to try that we should be looking for. Tell us a little bit from your wine career. Maybe take kind of to the lowest moment of your career. And then we'll go to happy endings. The highest point so far. So can you recall a situation. Anything that's happened in your career wise. That was kind of a bit of a low point. Or maybe something you learned from g. That's a wind business kevin. Low points right. This is really. This is a pretty fun business to be had a. I had a conversation with eric. Asimov new york times wine critics. He's like anybody that tells you you're a bad business What do you do what we do. Every day is lying. So was there a couple of interesting events that occurred in my business. Because we're such a monthly cycle at every month. They were doing the same thing over and over again. We're trying to find good wines and make sure they get delivered on time. And i got a wine from italy a multiple chino and it landed here pretty reputable guy as a frenchman who brings wind small of the world and i let them just land the wine and they took off the truck and i brought in and they stuck a corkscrew and it and released gas. Now you and. I know that a red wine should not release gas. That's not a good thing. Particularly it smells like eggs. So that was a huge problem. I had four hundred cases. You know almost five thousand bottles of this completely horrible wind. I've never had it since. I've never had a problem like that. I've never tasted wine with same problem. Was it sulfur dioxide. You must've been sulfur dioxide. But i don't know it. Was you remember that time wind. There was this whole. The italians were putting antifreeze in their weinstein. Sending it to america. Well i don't know but seeing the bachelor enlarging the batch. If you will yes it was bad so you know. My problem is with with a monthly cycle. And i can't be laid a day or two or as i'm in big trouble so i had to call the rapid. It's happened twice over the years once with american wine to a without low right here right though. There aren't a lot of low points in this business. Take a highlight for you. Something that has stood out so far your mind lying related what i liked about our business and how we can help people understand the value of great wine and a great bottle and a great glass in a great moment so our governors famous for heading head to the french laundry in napa during covid. Right and oddly. We had just been there it is. It's really expensive to this one of the most expensive in the holes states but also like it's also been named the best restaurant in the state. So i guess you get what you pay for well if you can't afford it and you want to splurge and your nap but it's a must thing to do used to be impossible to reservation but anyway they're covered as little easier. All of our seats are outside though. The government decided to get the room inside which my wife wanted to do which was eight hundred dollars seats. Those rumors are drew very expensive in particularly cova to get an interior room. But anyway the point was we're with two had a couple good friends of ours just built themselves nice wine cellars and they just had nothing else. But napa cabinet which is a gorgeous wind and they're wonderful to experiment and to taste but that's all they could break out. They could break out of this scenario so i asked the psalm for a burgundy cooked we something ground crew something around for nausea bottle and us really expensive and he brought this show-me bell machine and our friends flipped over it and the reason i call it a great moment is because it from that moment on as we've begin together the last months we've been able to try new things particularly burgis now that the experienced them but super tuscan zinn wise from the south of italy and winds from other parts of france has been great experience for me to take to the next level for them. That's what's good for me. that's great. Got them out of their rut. And so how do you advise those of us who are here with us tonight. Or on the podcast. How did they get out of their rut. When you're going back to the same old wine all the time. What are your tips other than. Just get out of it but there any well. That is a good question. It's not easy. Because if you did what i do which is around three hundred wines. A month very expensive and you would taste a lot. I really benched along the way you want to try. Avoid that so you wanna taste things that are considered by some people whether you know a rating which can talk about that tuna minute. But that's respect as let's say we're talking about new to have lot from sicily. We wanna make sure that it's considered a decent one so that when we tasted we can determine whether we like it or whether our palate is for it so you need good quality curator your local wind shop who learns your palate as you go in and out can help you guide you. Because there's so many varieties and so many different grapes and parts of the world to experience wine from that. It's hard to say. Go to group on a buy something for three dollars and see if you like because you really don't know if it's any good in the first place and that's the problem right. Yeah in canada. We don't have groupon available to us but there's still lots of options. There's why clubs in their spine directly from the winery and so on but definitely we have lots of american listeners. And so i guess that's one way to get out of debt but before we move onto some other tips. What do you think you'd be doing if you weren't running this wine. Club and making the podcast. Is there something else you do. I'm still stuck on. Have group on a canada discounts. But we don't get wine offers because the provinces legislate so much be only the lcd. Oh which is the biggest purchaser of wind the world that can basically sell wine. There's a few exceptions. But we don't get the sort of groupon deals like you might but we do have wine clubs so was funny. Pennsylvania the state of pennsylvania was the largest retailer of wine in america now. They've opened their doors. Channels too loud wind relationship there change a little bit but the other government intervention is a problem. I'd actually try to ship something to ontario. i think or was it montreal. I can't remember but it got stuck at the l. c. b. o. And they had one hundred percent tariff so we had picked up brought him back. Yep yep a lot tax and a lot of regulation so. I know a lot of wine. Lovers are hoping for that to privatize. Yes you asked me what i would be doing yeah. I don't know what has happened now. Particularly industry in most industries is that media's become quite important part of any marketing effort anything to do with social networking or internet marketing. Seo is media. And i've always wanted to create. i get fascinated by it. Frustrated cinema student from usc got him. But i never went. I went to business school and sort of regretted that just because i would have loved the creation part of it but i'm enjoying thinking through ideas to get people to try wine to be interested in wine to be inspired by wine and using media to do that. I think it's i don't maybe i'll just do this permanently. I gotta be enough studio anyway studio serious studio. Yeah that's right. We share that. Paul i didn't mba. But i didn't have the confidence to write. But now it's the joy in my life creating and whatever so in terms of the winds. You've sold just some highlights. What's been the most expensive wine you ever sold through the club. I sold a drc. Romney conti work two thousand seven. Charge them twenty five hundred dollars twenty five. That's a deal. It was a few years ago. Have four more bottles. They have some l'otage those around five thousand well. I had a customer by thirteen thousand dollars worth of burgundy a few weeks ago for twenty eight bottles. That's amazing that's pretty good order. But that took some more. He was looking to round out his cellar at a beautiful. Sally invited me to go. See biometric entrance. Put your thumb against the pad their and mostly napa absent. I growth bordeaux's. Like i don't know where i can help you. You have things. I probably can't even get. I said you don't have good burgundy and let's let me help you with that so a lot of research and he's very happy with that part of his seller. Now you know. My specialty is fifteen to twenty five dollars. And that's where most wine is particularly now during covid there's so many winds coming at that pressuring the way we taste is not like what the spectator or the way. James suckling might taste our way through. This might taste. I'm the guy that's going into like the wine shop with your into the supermarket. I see twenty twenty dollars cabernet. But i've tasted them. All and i can tell you that this one is really worth forty bucks based on the other things that are forty dollars and the one over. Here's really like ten. There's a lot of those in our job. Is weed those out. So you kiss a lot of venus frogs to find the prince. So what would you say is your sort of for. Tasting like rejects. Like i taste ten. And i pick one or whatever i know it will vary but on average. How many are you tasting versus. How many do you offer to your wine club members. Well i don't even know what i buy now. I think i by about twenty different wines. Because i have a napa club bordeaux club. I have a sweet rosettes center okay but if i tasted wines in a month i will probably reject two hundred seventy of them. No two hundred fifty of them. And i reject them for a variety of reasons and this is kind of colloquial because my father had a three point system when he started tasting wine in the seventies now is one can't use it so my vendors thing is they see a one of my computer because i log everything that they got one of the guys. It's actually the worst day. I think i could use it the way it is for the price and what it is and what is this trying to be. That's a good one and three is. The wind was very good but overpriced. For what is the price came down to where i think it's more valuable than because a good one. So that's what we do. It's very interesting because any way you can buy wine in america i've done it. We've bought. Grapes crushed them. We brought twenty thousand liter tetra tanks in from argentina and bottled at napa. All those kinds of things. Okay if a vendor is legitimate distributor of wine who actually curates their own book rejection rate is much lower because they've already been through the process. But i have a lot of bottom fishing brokers that go around the country in the world and find odd lots of things and they find some really good values once in a while but the rejection rate is much higher because they just don't care. There's maybe paul lakers like the life. Sarah pile exit. Because sometimes i think wine clubs get a reputation other clubs course as a dumping ground for bad wines. It's like in the caribbean. I think all the bad vintages go there to die and caribbean vintages. How interesting if you're a consumer looking for a good wine club. How do you know that you're not getting offloaded. Some stuff that was just the buyer happened to get a great deal. It's not a great wine. You don't you down okay. Like i said it goes back to like trusting the wind buyer at well if you go to supermarket by wine which candidate can do that. I at montreal. When i was a teenager trying to buy beer so we can. We can go to restore these. The automated french to the way wine works as sort of disillusioning for a lot of people because so much wind is just farmers most wineries really just farmers just growing grapes. Sell the grapes of somebody else. Very small percentage of wine is actually bottled by the grower estate bottling so our vision as a consumer of a winery like napa big shadow and the french chateau is the smallest percentage of the real thing of wine. And if you make a wine and it's not very good you can make a mistake. Can't make good from bad graves. You make bad white from good grapes. Go somewhere. It ends up somewhere. Somebody's gonna bottle it. Somebody's sell it to another winery. To blend with something else as maybe better and try to just move through it just the way the business is and so you need to trust the purveyor of the wines in. It doesn't really matter if you get the end of vintage may be better years ago. Napa had a great year nineteen ninety-one great year. I mean a border had a great year. Eighty nine was a little tough. Well i'm sorry back in that ninety. Eight hundred tough so. The nineties came out before the nines. So now the winery can't bring back the eighty nine because the ninety s on the shelf but they've got pallets of these winds sitting in their warehouse so the ninety nine starting to come around. I mean after a few years there. Good and there's some great deals to be had so you might call that a close out or something probably was was really good so i don't have a problem with the timing of certain things. It's that the wind has been properly curated and determined to be a good example of what is supposed to be. That's really the key right. And when you're tasting like what are tasting. Tips can pass onto those who are listening watching right now. I mean you've developed a palette. You know what you're looking for on that one two or three scale but what else are you looking for. When you taste the primaries you know the three pieces of taste is the beginning the middle and the end. How about that story didn't it. I wrote a book the beginning a middle and an end look for variety correct exposure to those three pieces. So what does that mean. Variety correct wreck means if it's cabinet. Do we have the cassisi. Do we have the spice. We have the firm acids in the back of his merlot is a more approachable. They're a little bit more black cherry those kinds of characters. I think the question that you're asking me more like well. How i know black cherry taste like or how do i know you want. Somebody says it smells like herbs. That's what you do if you're cooking. You're squishing rosemary. Your hands smell your fingers. Take a bite of an apple. Smell the apple. If you're working with eggs take a moment to savor that egg because the memory of smell is like one of those memorable things you have. It's that sense is very time insensitive paris a few years ago and we went to local view of the eiffel tower local Terse restaurant and they serve the quiche in took me back like forty five or fifty years. My mom made the same quiche. And i had the same ingredients and i told my wife. I said i can't believe with the smell is how far it's taking me back. Like smell end or even radically. He goes back. Yeah so that's here at the moment so it's all about just experiencing taking a minute to use your senses during everyday things mowing the lawn. If you if you do that kind of thing pruning the bushes like. I say when you're cooking particular fruit senses. Bite the apple and sort of g tasting. The green apples taste different than fuji apples. And that's how you start to develop a vocabulary for this. Absolutely i also tell my online course students like do exactly what you're suggesting because you'll develop that vocabulary and now that i'm writing my third book which is a memoir the way i access my memories is to remember i. What did it smell like. And then everything else comes back. Just close my eyes. I'm not trying to remember what it looked like what it smell like. I am not even just wine but the whole situation. There's a row. Have you heard of the aroma wheel. Yes by an noble. Uc davis professor. Yeah right so she sold it to is a bell the sheriff and she's back doing it and she's refining it and she's created courses around it and i had forgotten about it. I remember i was a copy like ten years ago. I've told this this is just copying it and just copyright infringement. It's a great tool. It's a great tool because it sort of allows the basic component to come out and then oh yeah i really sense this and then the last most granular ring. Exactly cause for those not familiar. It starts with broad categories like flowers or wood. Or whatever and then it'll go deeper and deeper like violets and you know wet stems of those violets or whatever yeah that's great idea not the copyright infringement but it's not do that what's the weirdest or most obscure wine you've ever sold you know it's funny essay question and i've been talking about this for the last week. It was recently. It was two weeks ago tasting. Somebody me and i brought it in for myself. It's not on my website yet. it's from the canary islands. I'll really yeah. And when i log my computer what i'm tasting. I do that every tuesday. I put an advantage that they put everything in there. The grapes the grapes already been tasted which you can't imagine after thirty years that does not a grape in there. I don't have tasted. But i start typing in lisbon negro and it didn't come up. Which means that never tasted a great wine for that group and of course canary islands has never come up before and because of its volcanic soil. It's fabulous wine. And i really kinda love canucks soil wines. Anyway i'm not to be canucks soil. Do for that one. You really understand the morality to get a little bit. It's not smoke ash in their Their little leaner they. They don't get so voluptuous because the water flows through them does accumulated clogging. Yeah right now. and so. winds from boulia around the base of the mound down there have that same character with the canary islands known cels where's canary islands. Roughly geographically canary islands council. Do you know anything about that. Like how much wine they make or like. I guess that's probably the league right. There's a good question. I usually when i tasted one like that. I usually go right to google earth or something and i'll start looking at just understand it. I didn't have time that day from the vendor and the wind just came in yesterday. I mean on friday so i'm going to probably have to do my homework now. You've made me curious now. So is there anything that stands out for you like kind of a stranger unusual situation when you've been out either researching or trying to buy wines or anything related to the wine club or just generally well. You know it's kind of fun. Things have changed a lot in the business through covert a lot. We used to go to big trade tastings and you know when i do three hundred a month. It used to be a hundred or two hundred off premise at some other venue premise meetings. Sorry let's say. The local distributor wine warehouse was having their annual tasting twice a year right. And there's a whole bunch of retailers. How distributors in los angeles. These would be going on all the time at least twice a month. I'd be out of the office tasting somewhere else. Cova stopped all that of course and so now those three hundred dollars a month and more coming through the door here so it's a lot of work but back in the old days and i found this fascinating back in the old days. Hey the day myself because not that old. But i'm talking about the late eighties when you would go to big tasting and there'd be a thousand wines to be two hundred tables ten winds each never do them all right but people like fess parker. We'll be pouring his wine Daniel boone californian winemaker. Yeah that pulse. Great comedian would be pouring his own wines. Dick sanford who's a became an icon in the world is santa barbara wines. Pouring his own wines dickie smothers the great comedian part of the half. The team of the smothers brothers points. The point that is they weren't celebrities then. They were celebrities in their public persona but in the wine world there were winemakers winery owners. It completely approachable pretense. We're talking wine hair. We're not talking about my celebrity status and that was always really fun just talking to them about one pet refrigerator white. This of course the irs. Their harris took his winery. But whatever you will too bad for that anti the fridge these folks back in the day when they're pouring how has it changed with today's celebrity endorsed or named wines. That's a really good segue. Those guys were winery owners. Like i said you know. Pat paulsen's was absorbed by the irs. I mean he had to own it to take it right. Fess parker became a huge enterprise. It santa barbara dispose brothers. I believe they're still around. I'm not sure but there was. Mci dick sanford of course sold the winery. Those were real people making real wine it real investment in the wine. I haven't seen that. Except for greg norman's wines in the celebrity world so typically said they don't typically work as you're paying a percentage off the top for the celebrity status what is the value of those obscure sample big ange. The the sort of verbose woman that was in the house of atlanta she had a whole line of sparkling with scotto. They're horrible and nobody really cared. They just wanted the name on the bottle just for whatever a gag gift or whatever bottle years ago i won the right to be the professional golf association. Wine club long story. Why didn't never came to fruition at that time there were sixteen golfers professional golfers had headlines couples. Allison the aren't colorado. But dean arnold palmer had nothing to do with it. It was just his name. Greg norman has something to do with it. None of those brands exists anymore. And so seems the only ones that have worked his meribel. Brad pitt angelina. Jolie did one or the other of them take custody of the wind. Good question discipline up. I haven't heard about what happened to the wine. But you know i think to your point. That is a great wine. But it's made by the people who do shadow what is it about bo. Castel in the rhone valujet focused serious winemakers behind the me and they don't have their names on it. The label branch lean is not on the label anywhere. Yeah that is one difference now. Snoop dogg's in the wine business now and we're at the market here locally. And the first time i saw it's called kelly read. I think it's made by the guys that do the nineteen criminals but it was right at eye level. The middle the middle shelf of the wind at the supermarket game. So best spot you can have and that means been paid for toothpaste procter and gamble or not free so i i want to do so well because the next time we went in about a month later it was in the bottom shelf. He's heading try using the. That shows you that. I personally think i've brought this example of before spending fifty dollars on a bottle of wine or forty or twenty or ten and i know what i like. Why would i buy that version of because fred couples name is on it. I don't understand that. If i'm a real wind drake and i really enjoy what i do. What value does it bring to the bottle. Absolutely you know. And as i tell my students the first sale might be based on the label but the second sale is always based on. What's inside so that's correct. Fool me once or whatever. The article had punched drink which is a great online blog for anything alcohol. She sat with me for three hours. And watch me taste during the tasting. There was a break in the action. So i had a bunch of samples that were sent to me. Oddly in weirdly us competitor said some of their wives from you to buy and one of the beaujolais two thousand sixteen. This is about two years ago. It was current vintage. I said let's taste this. That'd be fun so we opened it up but it's really quite bad. You drink it and she goes. This is really horrible. I said i labeled over a wine was from saturday night. Live tv show. Okay thank myself. Some poor person who loves satellite alive. Who saw this bottle somewhere or side. And at ford than i can. I'll drinks saturday. Night live beaujolais watching the show and this is no way you could have gone. This is really good. Just you couldn't do it. so well. Those games and endorsements only go so far so sort of conversely what do you think are the most undervalued regions and grapes and styles that we all should be trying right now. Well the canary islands. Get it or find it if we know where the heck it is in the world but yes. I can hear island short. You know. it's funny right now. The industry's in a weird position. There's a lot of great wines and they're very inexpensive so you can find good values just about anywhere because covid did was if you and i started winery tomorrow we would want to go to a restaurant for the sales because we got our name on the list and they just keep buying. We don't have to go there again because printed on the list so it's like a permanent salesman all that got dried up for nine months no restaurants for buying anything. So there's a lotta great winds coming out of the woodwork. Some of the value. Some of the ones that you like typically are going to be less money and if you have somebody you trust to point you in the right direction. There'll be a lot of really good values regionally though still the chilean argentinian. Things are really good values. It's some really fun things. Come out of there. You know. australia's back in the game. a little bit they've come to our shores again. They been flow through over the years as prices. Go out and come back for a little while. But they're kind of coming back into the fray there's some caucus wines that very interesting. I'm armenian descent. I have a little bit of a bent toward the but when they became free that technology showed up at their doorstep and there are some pretty bright winemakers michelle relaunched been out there. Paul hobson out there flying winemakers. Yeah yeah right since he's been around been around doing this stuff so the defined. They're reasonable though. I just unfortunately. During the war the words arts war a friend of mine winery was commandeered by the soldiers and he had a great wine called. Aubrey's it was made from a grave kasit any which we don't grow here was like fifteen dollars. It was class a wine made from real winemaker with quality equipment. So but i would either chile and argentina. It's just the go-to value. There's some great values really values. Is that because the cost of production is lower. Natural conditions are better all of those contributing policies together. Yeah just less money to do. Well i had this conversation with an armenian. Winemaker instance i think cabernet grape you'll premium cabernet grape in two thousand eighteen. Where eight thousand dollars. A tonne okay. So that puts like one hundred twenty five dollars worth of juice. It needs bottle just for the juice. Not the glass and you can buy grapes in most countries like that for like five hundred dollars a tonne so you can see this considerably less less money. Just the cost and with armenia minds. Do they share any similarities with georgian wines. Which are really in vogue now with the very the orange winds in the ancient winemaking methods. Actually they're not as to to that. I think part of it's because when the soviets were running the show they had told their means. You're making the brandy and that's why listen church a loved armenian brandy and the georgia's were told to make the wine. That's basically what the rules were. So armee didn't have a chance to cultivates to see the age of their vines grow to get the benefit of old grapes old vine grape. So they didn't have these interesting techniques. Georgia's do there's no quality difference but they're totally deficit any not any the main redgrave's they make more. I can't even this cool about wine. I can't even reference another great. That i taste maybe sanjay. Ac two little like a sanjay surat. Bland which is kinda weird right to equate the regular digits red wise romulus the georgia wiser heavy and robust and have used the micro oxidation going through the museum. Four underground totally different totally different process. What is your opinion. Just segue into that on georgian wines and orange lines and i don't know what those that are in four i and pet nat and all the rest of it. We just did. My first georgia says i've been here. Called last edens it's got a little residual sugar natural residuals figure is done very well. People really like it so really cool bottle. Sometimes it's hard to know whether these things are trends certainly jordan wise on trend. Because it's been around for thousands of years but things like pat. Which is you know. As naturally petty winds some of them even have like beers cap closures petula natural or something they ancestoral methods likely frizzy or whatever. Not as fully sparkling. Biodynamic wines are becoming popular organic wiser popular. But here's my opinion of them. I don't want to suffer through a glass of wine. Because i think i'm doing myself a favor because biodynamic there's no reason the world and by the nabet means are ganic farming but it also includes cycles cycles of the sun and the moon for planting and picking and storage and other things. But i don't want to have it tastes like hey because it's so natural i want to taste good. There's a reason why it shouldn't taste good. I personally have not read any more anything valuable health wise necessarily accept that. Maybe it aligns our bodies with you know. The molecules of the earth kind of the attitude is in the one defense of that thing that i've ever heard shapiro and sends of in patagonia from shock grow and he said this once he goes you know if the moon can move the bodies of the ocean. Which man could never do and your body is ninety percent water. Imagine what that gravitational pull is doing to your health. I thought that was thought. Provoking and poetic. His wines are great there by the namic. They have a wonderful liveliness about them. And i will say organic true organic wines not winds just made from organic grapes but organic throughout the process. Have a liveliest about them. I want them to taste. Good though i mean i don't want to do so many. Don't their freaky or funky or whatever and like even natural and raw lines. I mean they're hot and trendy and on restaurant lists but often they're just so not good. Hey yeah why is. Because of lack of preservatives like sulfites. Or what's going on with these. No organic wines. In america you can add sulfites canton. You're but you can hear fight your natural to. I don't buy that argument. Most conventional winemakers them right and so one of the things typically here too but when y makes us to come to america before covid one of the most important things told me it was by valentino. Valentini mentioned that nameless should be in the movies. Right cast valentino announcing. He was the mayor of multiple. Alco grow sabatino and he says you know. My kids are playing that vineyard. I don't want them dusted with pesticides in the thing. And i think that's pretty normal actually in most parts of the world. We just didn't take time to worry about certifying them as organic many wines. I get in here. Organic by trade but not certified. They'll go through the legal bureaucratic process to call it organic. But they only do it because they want to do it. And i don't know the reason you know. It takes three years certify. Your winery is organic about the namic. And then i think you start over learning what that soil is gonna do and producing grapes and it takes time and to highlight that michelle rolando a friend of mine and armenia. Because okay i agree with you. You can grow grapes here. You can make wonderful wine but it's gonna take you one hundred users to figure it out one hundred years. I'm only thirty five resort optimistic in the long term. Though the point of that is to learn how all the different seasons and all the different things that impact out a grape grows and how deep the roots are going to go and all the rest of the things that go into making. A glass of wine are unknown. Yeah well and you only get one chance. Every year to accumulate all that learning with beer. You know you're making a batch every six weeks or whatever but with wine it's like once a year and then you document and you learn but it is a slow process. That's right there you have it. I hope you enjoyed my chat with hall k. Here my takeaways number. One offered some great tips on how to choose a wine club as well as a good local wine retailer. Both of these can help you with the curation process in choosing great wines and getting to know your palate to. I agree with paul in how to develop your wind vocabulary smell and taste everything. Well almost everything and three. It's interesting to see how it has. Dramatically changed the wind business from the volume of business done online. These days to what's changing in terms of popular styles region price also like two suggestions for undervalued regions in vintages. You can win personally. Signed copy of rex pickett's novels sideways. That was made into the hit movie as well as a bottle of sideways pinot noir. If you comment on the social media post i created but the contest just pick your favorite platform insta facebook or twitter and comment on the post. I created before seven pm on april twenty. First i'll select the winner randomly from those of you participate it get a bonus entry of tag wine loving friend. Marie shared in your stories in the show notes. You'll find a link to these posts. The full transcript of our conversation how you can join me in a free online wine preparing class where you can find me on zoom instead. Facebook and youtube live on video every wednesday at seven including evening next week. That's all in the show notes at natalie maclean dot com forward slash one. Two four. you won't want to miss next week. When i continue is fascinating conversation with paul k in the meantime if you missed the last two episodes about wine in the white house go back and take a listen to. There's lots of wind tips in there. As i talk with fred ryan publisher of the washington post. He's got some great stories on the intersection between wine and politics share short clip with you now to wet your appetite in nineteen eighty seven and the prime minister of france. Jacques chirac and his wife had come to the white house. Dirac and reagan had been friends for many years in the mayor of paris. And reagan's governor of california so they knew each other well and they shared wine together and now here they are. The respective leaders of their two countries and dirac is coming to the white house. Here's france the world's wind superpower coming. Still you had to do something that balance. That with the desire of american presidents to showcase the best in american wine so ronald reagan came over the very diplomatic solution. He served opitz one. The joint venture between felipe. Dirac of jon rothschild and robert mondavi joint franco american venture and it was a perfect wine and it was very well received that evening. Perfect blend blended diplomacy very nice. If you like this episode. Please tell one friend about it this week. Especially someone you know. Who'd be interested in the tips that paul shared. Thank you for taking the time to join me here. I hope something great is in your glass this week. You don't wanna miss one juicy episode of this podcast especially the secret full body. Bonus episodes that. I don't announce on social media so subscribe for free now natalie maclean dot com forward slash subscribe. He'd be here next week jeers.

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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 09/16/19

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

45:48 min | 1 year ago

Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 09/16/19

"Brought to you by fidelity where decisions are clear and costs are lower than ever learn more about our industry leading value and open an account today at fidelity dot com slash trading reading the brokerage services. LLC MEMBER NYSE. My mission is simple to make you money I'm here to level the playing field investors. There's always work at summer and I promised to help you find money starts out crater. Well can have money what can the America. I'll be. One make France under trying to make some money. My job is not just entertainment. Educate teach you put it in context. Call me one hundred and seventy three. CBC tweet me at a few years ago. If I told you that a Dromey was about to take gap half of Saudi Arabia's production at our stock market would barely blink. You would have called me absolutely crazy it yet. That's exactly what just had them. The Dow something one hundred forty three points the SNP declining went through the Nasdaq backsliding a meager a two eight percent even though the price of crude by more than ten percent gigantic gigantic game how impossible how could we have so many stocks had actually sleep. Raleigh news simple were changed country. We have so much oil in this country and we have a lot of stocks now do better with higher oil prices and as well. We have a lot of stocks to thrive. Higher oil causes economy to slow. United States have today looks a lot different from the United States of even ten years ago first. Let's understand it looks like Iran. Launch drone strikes that wiped out a chunk of Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure and other biggest export or petroleum a world that sent the price of crude story the biggest gain eleven years and higher oil translates into higher gasoline which means consumers have less money to spend on this going out out to shop so we had a base all from retail make perfect sense especially since they've had an humungous run and we were looking for a reason and take province remember last week. I told you that might proprietary Osler. That's put out by standard and Poor's when I pay for what was too high at plus eight anything nor for five me so you should be doing some self celso and that made this market vulnerable. I said that we were due for so off. Even if I couldn't tell you the reason why that's might happen member. The two shows on this oil shock is exactly the kind of out of the field incident. I was talking about and of course a lot of carnage. Even if it wasn't obvious from the averages beyond reach you which didn't get pummeled except for the value place like a macy's the big package could stocks just got slammed. I want you to think clorox proctor doctrine gamble estee lauder. They're all regard as having a big reliance on plastic for the packaging plastics me from well and they've also got substantial freight costs again those go higher with we'll but but in practice been a monster sock estee lauder. It's been incredible again. All you got was profiting. Naturally the airlines get into American can United Delta or posted outside losses so the where wheel areas of weakness but the truth is this park hill up incredibly well in the old days. The averages would have plunged on this kind of oil shock doc. I know because I've lived through a bunch of them. Starting nineteen seventy-three we'd be freaking out about surging inflation and gas lines and huge declining consumer spending now though Saudi Arabia losing half of its output. It's just not a big deal. Remember the United States is going from Preussen five million barrels of oil per day gigantic importer reporter to a twelve million barrels per day and we do a lot of exporting over the same period we put policies in place that make our nation a lot more energy efficient who needs Saudi Arabia listen to Scott Sheffield when he came here not that long pioneer natural resources and by the way Tina the patch he said it won't be long to a person seventeen eighteen million barrels a day if the Saudis can't pump basically get this gives American producers a much-needed spike in profits lawyer to pay down debt and take control their finances but in the end though our producers are going to sow the seeds of their own destruction destruction member one Mandy Brazil smart dot com came and said that that they keep spending and they turt- themselves because whenever the price of cougars up they just started drilling again the new supply pushes prices right back down. There are only three things that keep a lid on American oil. Oh production currently I. We don't have enough pipelines in the Permian Basin. There are two about to open. That's the incredibly cheap well rich region Texas second. We don't have big ports awards to handle this gigantic tankers that can hold two million barrels and third until the recent roll back. The government didn't allow excessive flaring meaning burning off of natural gas byproducts. I products that comes when you drill for oil because it's terrible for the environment before today's spike natural guest was so cheap that it wasn't even worth keeping if you couldn't flare it off. It was an impediment into truly oil. I don't expect anything but a short termer preview on any of these issues. Although some oil companies have started taking advantage of the pro flaring position the President has staked out recently however most of the larger producers are reluctant to embrace the new world because they don't want to ruin natural gas is reputation is cleaner fuel than coal members taken last year from Kobe utilities either. The price of crude oil stocks are with it today. They were up so much that they boyd the entire five hundred rally an Exxon Chevron help prop up the Dow without them. We would have been a lot lower that said my chapel. Trust was a big seller of the oil today. I don't think this move is sustainable. Obviously we left some but time to go these imagine. They don't want any resource stocks. Now I WANNA take another whole situation by goodwill means for us but for a trade your partner China the People's Republic has a lot going forward economically. He said what you will about the Chinese Communist Party. You create a million jobs short period time. Even I know a lot of it was taken Josh Moss but there's one thing that they don't have natural resources for China and your trump's oil supplies very bad news their government is slap slap tariffs on US soil but you know what they're still using about a million thousand day that originates in our borders national international commodity and now the price of crude has surged making a real slow down there far far more likely beyond the oils else rallied today. Let's say we saw strength in the secular growth stocks that don't need a strong global economy make their numbers think the cloud kings like service now workday. VM VM where Dobie. That's an amazing resilience in itself and if you stay tuned we'll tell you which ones are still worth snapping up not longer the clouds sucks. We're getting hammered hammered now. They're benefiting from fresh rotation out of the consumer packaged goods stocks into the stock some companies that are unaffected by well. They can still grow. That's why I think it's entirely possible possible. We could shrug off this news. Maybe the next thing you know the Saudi oil facilities we back online however it is also possible that we have a brand new world of worry and I'm talking about how those ten Jones used to smash Saudi Arabia's infrastructure demonstrate a serious vulnerability for the Saudis and really any country you WANNA. Stop these drone attacks. You need to have vastly expanded radar scrape for Lockheed Martin Raytheon in L. Three Harris technologies of these L. three houses my favorite but I don't like to chase the stock. That's up more than six bucks in a single single session. Honestly I think the military side of things is the most worrisome especially as the president tweeted that we are and I quote locked and loaded ready to retaliate palliate presumably against Iran the moment disorders check off on. We really don't need a war with Iran right now but who knows what that tweet what that tweet even means and by the way just you know if you could have solar powered drones will think about it. It could go the world over. That's a worry I'm worried about the bottom line. I know the stock market's resilience silliest could melt if the White House decides to make an all out strike against Iran but man I got to tell you it's amazing how the just pretty much shrugged off such a major decline something that would have been totally impossible to even think about a decade ago and that's worth keeping in mind what I'm calling today a victory for the a bowls in Florida Patty. I can't think for taking my call and you do for us. My question is about OCTA. I I bought it at one fifteen and I'm in the House of pays. I WanNa know what your opinion is on the price drop in. Where do you see it going okay. I think OCTA is just terrific company. I think that you have to take a long long. Term View that management does it is really yes. They rotated out of these stocks. I have total won't faith todd mckinney. You taught appeared on US squawk box the other day besides besides from hurting my feelings. I think he did a very good job but maybe star could robin. VN appeared on mad money. I think you're fine avenue in California Avin Kramer. I'm pro American living in the United States of America. My question is about the Stock Ticker C. Y. B. R. Cyber Ark couple of weeks ago. You said it was a great guy but it's actually gone down a a bit fifteen percent. I was wondering if you're considering this. Maybe even a better by now or should we wait Evan. I mean remember. I've liked cyborg since the thirty so I can't be a trader. I can't say you know at one forty. I hate it at one ten. I like it at one on one. I Hate I mean to me Sabra Same Sabra data great quarter and and I even though the chart looks bad people dumping all over it's good. I mean if I were starting to position in cyber. I'd started right here okay. Let's go to Chris Simas Concept Chris. Jim Boulia crass pigeon. I I'd like to hear your thoughts on the stock. Camping world all depend getting hit and hit hard recently and curious to hear your thoughts and also if you made any progress on getting Merck's moments on the show well marcus has been one quarter. Wasn't that good. It started snapping back lists. We put the IT. It just isn't doing that. Well and I think that et Marcus Lemoyne's is a friend of the show but to stop the company hasn't been doing that. Well and I think that's pair. Look neither store the camping world business so to speak is not not doing that well and a lot of that may be interest rates but a lot of it just might be that they're out of favor okay. How the heck did we not tank in the wake of the Saudi Arabia oil that you know how we are not the old United States victory for the Bulls maybe tonight the club group is taking a beating over the past few months but which stocks the group could see their forecast clearing up and which must be of boy. I'm going to be my take then this year is slow oh by. Peos and tech space but his cloudflare stands out. I'm minding the new company came public and it's a companies hoping ushering a brand new gold rush don't miss my I sit down with an ethical paxos the find out about its move to offer physical gold on the watching and stay with Kramer don't miss a second of mad money follow at Jim Cramer on twitter a question tweet Gramer Hashtag mad tweets send Jiminy mail to mad money at CNBC DOT COM or give us a call at one eight hundred seven four three CNBC. We see something Ed to mad money dot. CNBC DOT COM at fidelity you get value. 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It's now it's up twenty one percent for the year the cloud cakes adobe salesforce service now spunk twilly VM ware workday. They're down on average. Eighteen percent from the highs of those only adobe and salesforce have shed less than ten percent now. I love many of these software service companies. You know that but this is why I tell you that you have to take some prophets Schnitzel. I caught in your biggest winners while you still have them. Momentum stocks can go from heroes to Zeros overnight especially because they all tend to trade together many abated together by should never been crafted as I told you before. I think there are two things going on your first. Many of these clouds sucks simply called way too expensive. That's that's why kept telling you to let them pull back for you. pull the trigger second. This market gut hit with a powerful rotation as money managers started feeling we're Bush about the economy they they sold the clouds stocks and they swapped in claims that can deliver gigantic earnings beat went commerce is strong the cloud. Hor can deliver great numbers even during a slow now now hit but if there's not gonna be a slowdown that makes their stocks less attractive in the eyes of Wall Street hence the hideous multi. We breakdown many of which stocks you've comment on in twitter quitter. I know you're depressed by it but maybe we can shed some light on which brings me the big question now that this has been bludgeoned half to death. What are we supposed to do? You got to remember with a few exceptions. The fundamentals really haven't changed at all. Our favorite cloud companies are still pretty up excellent numbers. The markets are starting to judge these numbers for much. It's more punishing prison which means we need to be more selective so tonight. We'll help you figure out which cloud stocks double down tweet this and which ones will maybe you gotta cut loose. Some of we know this. Cole Group has gotten a lot cheaper over the past six weeks but we need a way to distinguish between the high quality names that have been dragged down by the rotation and the lower quality names. That never should have been up in the first place when you make these decisions. You need to be ruthlessly logical. Not Emotional always check. The emotions sewer were in triage mode right now and that means. We need to be this objective as possible. That's why we put together a simple screener for the software as a service docs. We're GonNa run our whole cloud universe through through these filters wonders fundaments evaluation ending passes both filters my blessing to buy down down here after the big sell off basically doing a quick and dirty analysis cloud stocks to separate the wheat from the chaff and this is done by real portfolio managers every single day. I WANNA teach you ought to do it at home. It's a quick and dirty rule of thumb that Wall Street's been using to assess the enterprise software stocks for ages. No one's called. I've only heard once among our guests. It's called the rule of forty and it's quite simple. If you're running a software as a service company the rule of forty your distant forty says it's your revenue growth plus your profit. Margin should be greater than forty percent if it's blow forty year you're in trouble again. We're in motor. We want a simple rule. It tells us which of these clouds. SOx needs to be a potato from our portfolios. I like this will of forty because it recognizes that there are two ways to win win. The healthiest clouds socks read the growing very rapidly. Losing money or the growth is slowing but they've got increasingly strong earnings. If a company has a thirty percent revenue growth at a twenty percent improv emerge it passes the test if it's seventy percent revenue growth and in native twenty percent profit margin that also pass US however if you're only growing at a fifty eighty percent clip and you got a negative fifteen percent margin well wait a second. That's thirty five percent combined. It falls below are forty threshold like. I said it's a quick. It's quick and dirty way to look at this but this venture capital firms and hedge funds and companies themselves to assess the trade off between growth and profitability that we talk about every night here you're now. Let's put it into practice. Revenue Growth is straightforward member. That's just the sales lead but there are a lot of ways you can measure margins somewhat generous than others because we wanna to keep it simple. We're using the Ernie's for interest taxes depreciation amortization or ebitda margin so who passes a new fails all seven seven cloud kings past mostly the flying colors twitter. Leo How much should be like Twila twila highest scores companies has been to grow at a seventy two percent clip this year further bolstered by a ten percent Ebitda so this is our winner okay really terrific adobe. He comes in second with only a twenty four percent growth weight because this much more profitable with a forty four percent ebitda margin reports this week. I think it could be very very very good and it's Thursday now. After the cloud kings quality really starts to drop off our cloud princess lasting kupa software hub spot new relic out. They don't fares well. Neither new relic OCTA makes cut even before new relic disappointing forecast kissed this morning. They're slowing growth problem. Opt On the other hand is going to forty one percent cloud but it's negative nine percent ebitda margin drags it down so it doesn't is in deserve the praise at least on this method. Hey how about the rest of the cloud stocks. We've talked about pay com. Viva Systems speak ringcentral condensed. We've had them on five nine. Z scaler Mongo. DB SMART Cheat and a plan but we have happy less than half the make the cut using this year's analysts estimates pay com Viva Alter X. ringcentral and send dispatches POB Nine Keeler would pass on last year's numbers but they four little short on this year's estimates. Call out a pass to everything else. Were Cutting Hay. What about the cloud. IPO Smith Class Twenty nineteen soon soon video crowd strike Dina. Trae slack technologies pays your duty Free Zia tooth and software and cloud fair. We looked at thirty into stocks for this analysis and zoom video has the best score a zoom which helps explain why it's been such a great performance with them on this week. Even it's pulled back of late. Crowd Strike Passes Dinosaurs Dinah traced failed last year but it passes on this year's forecasts thanks to accelerating revenue growth or Argh. Everything else must go which brings us to the second discrete valuation again. We want to keep the simple so I'm I'm failing. Anything trades it more than ten times sales unless incompetent very good. Excuse ten times sales by the way very expensive is looking at the cloud kings adobe service now are both over the line of ten point four and eleven times next year's earnings next year sales and and I'll tell you I don't know if you saw but we saw some big moves of all the stocks but service now had the biggest but not cheap. I'm willing uh-huh Dobie a pass because it's so profitable sells for less than thirty times centers earnings estimates and that's fine by me. I like service now but there are no extenuating circumstances. You're traits sixty one times earnings not gonNA make it twenty hours a borderline case trading right at ten times earnings but giving his fabulous ruled forty square. I say we let let it stay in this group. As for the cloud princes of the remaining names both Atlassian and coupon sulfur both trade it well more than fifteen times sales lose hub spot is the only prince pissed both tests hub spot well okay. How can the cloud commoner's only five nine ringcentral Zendehdel traded less than ten times. It's actually your sales so we've got to be careful with the rest of them finally got remaining the IPO's crowd straight zoom video dinosaurs but crowd straight consumers still ultra expensive tritium more than twenty times since your sales. I don't feel comfortable wrecking recommending that to you at this environment bottom line when you try to be objective about the cloud socks the ones that you want to keep or Adobe salesforce spunk Twi- Leo VM ware Workday hub spot five nine rain central Zen desk and Dina trace everything else. What can I say need to be a lot more cautious. Perhaps more subjective reactive and that's not the best way to invest. Hey got your list. Stay Crame at Matthews Asia we uncover unique companies across Asia prime to benefit from consumer trends that brought her international funds miss find out what a dedicated allocation to Asia cannot add to your portfolio at Matthews Asia. Dot Com slash opportunity. The dust is central in the turmoil in the cloud space with many stocks bouncing today. Go back to the group or this show. I gave you Mike Triage analysis of all the cloud cover which ones you can double down on. Schwantz seemed little risky to me and now I WANNA come back to another software. Company is a service that the one that you've asked me over and over again since it came public last Friday. I got this so we can cloudflare. Clear is a cloud based web infrastructure play and it managed to rack up a decent. IPO price at fifteen then surging to eighteen at the open and staying there for climbing over three point five percent today strong strong stock so this face clouds stock be worth owning. I think we need to be very careful here about approaching new names frankly if cloud line if cloudflare had come public say just six months ago when cloud sucks red hot and it seemed to be no price investors wouldn't pay for these things. Maybe I would have felt a little more comfortable about recommending blatantly. This market's gotten a lot less hospitable court JAS. We accept it in the current environment. I think you need to steer clear of something like cloud flair and I know a a lot of like it don't get on the company has intriguing concept cloud platform basically helps businesses run their websites making them more secure enhancing the performance and the lamenting the cost and complexity of managing lots of individual pieces of hardware and the old days you get all these services from separate one premises software providers cloudflare Bunsen Mussa them all together into one easy to use platform that seamlessly allows you adopt additional solutions that so as the company sees it. They're aren't disrupting multiple large enterprise offer markets with the bungle approach the going after virtual private networks. VPN's internal and external firewalls web security distributed it denial of service prevention intrusion detection application delivery controls content delivery networks domain name systems advance swept prevent and wide area networking think of cloudflare's one stop shop is going for a parts of the cybersecurity and content delivery software industries. Put it all together. Management argues detect detect got a three thirty one point six billion dollar total addressable market. Tam that scoring forty seven billion by two thousand twenty two and that's without counting new new areas cloudflare's trying to expand into like storage five jeep the Internet of things. I mean say it does feel like it's got everything going forward now. They don't sell user data. They don't try to compete with their customers. They just give them a simple easy to use platform that can work with any major public cloud. Albinger cloudflare's neutral like Switzerland in fact someone say their little to neutral last month. This is preparing for type. They quote a lot of flack for providing infrastructure structure in security services for some of the ugliest destinations on the web including the site were number of recent mass shooters radicalized cloudflare drop them as a client right after the El Paso shooting but this wasn't the first time they'd gotten in trouble for doing business with the most hated parts of en- hateful parts the web so when I said they're Switzerland I mean that both the positive senses that concept works for me but what about financial okay cloudflare posted forty three percent sales those quote last year. That's a deceleration twenty seventeen although in the first issue that number reaccelerate forty-eight percent that's not bad how about the margins there's some moisture we'd like to see. Nia smooth trend but instead closer huge across the board improvement twenty seventeen better gross margin better pretty margin better free cash flow margin Paul by. It's a major deterioration last year in the first half of twenty nine thousand nine wardens have improved modestly so they seem to be back on the right track for the moment all the other thing. It's tough to get a read on cloudflare's free cash flow which appears to be going in the wrong direction after falling from negative twenty three million to negative seventy eight million last year. It worsened again down thirty eight thirty nine million in the first half of this year. That's decline versus the first half in two thousand eighteen. That's bad that said there are some real passes. CLOUDFLARE's paying customers grew by thirty eight percent last year and thirty three percent so far this year solid better still the number of customers paying them more than one hundred thousand dollars a year as going much faster up seventy percent in the first half mic sense part of cloud. Thurs pitches the easily scale help their business so if customers want to spend more. It's extremely easy for the company to give them exactly what they need but there's the problem when you compare cloud. Therre to the rest of the group it does indeed come up short. Remember that rule forty that I talked about. I mentioned earlier in the show. The Eddie here is that if you're a software as a service company your revenue quoth plus your profit margin should exceed forty percent anything you think below that threshold is suspect. The rule forty gives you two ways to win. You can lose a lot of money as long as you have. Rapid revenue growth or you can have slow revenue growth as long as you. You mean making a lot of money but you can't pass nibbling growth in not so at margin. I've already told you about the company passes tests but cloudflare it eight one of the company's going into forty eight percent clip but it's operating marshes negative twenty seven percent at the two together and you get twenty one percent we will get all the claus talks have gone public. cloudflare actually has the worst rule of forty score ensure cloud for may have a solid concept but in terms of his financial it lags behind the rest of the co- word now that would be fine if the stock at a sensible valuation but Jeez Clo- Clever sales for twenty eight times last S. cheers sales either. We assume it will keep growing roughly the same pace that means it's trading at fifteen times next year's back in the envelope sales forecasts that may they say pointing darn expensive stock. All our kings are cheaper salesforce adobe. VM where workday twitter spunk in service now so I I can't recommend cloudflare a pair bottom line if you got on got in on this cloudflare IPO and made a nice profit take good for you. I hope these guys can deliver spectacular numbers going forward that justify the stocks stratospheric valuation yes power lap Parabola but based on cloud thirst. I inconsistent results over the past eighteen months stocks just too risky for me especially in the market no longer worships at the altar of the cloud. Let's go to Jackie in New York Jackie. Jim Thank you for your recommendation over rising until people maybe over ten percents that's nice. Thank you well listen. The question tonight is chewing so I got an on. IPO Day at thirty eight August stock has been trading down there. It said Yeah with earnings coming out post markets tomorrow. Do you think I should cut my law so we'll wait for earnings rescue the stock well look we we think chewy is a great concept okay and so therefore you don't. WanNa trait in now in flint and when it comes to Chewy do I note this quarter is going to be good or bad. I have no idea but I do like the concept very much. Let's go to Jerry in L. Annoyed Jerry Jim Bouillabaisse Jer as a former marine. We say who are so who is to you and your team the fine show and dedication to the small investor well. Thank you and thank you for serving. Thank you very much great early. August you recommended health help. Catalyst Brian recently launched them feel. She's happy off your very high on their strategic plan to provide a complex analytic ah to the healthcare industry which sounded very promising to me as well so after doing some of my own research and after the stock dropped nine percent from its high of forty the united forty nine dollars. I took a minimal position of forty fi ten okay but early in August stock dropped thirty the thirty three dollars twenty seven hundred twenty seven percents client since it's me back up about thirty seven dollars today but it's still it's eighteen not for me onto right okay. Jerry look. I think this is a really good company. I think these stocks really got hammered all them. It's just like a giant group move but that said I think I'm reiterating. I think south catalyst is a terrific company. I think you'll do just fine no me to buy anymore more and let's see breaks that low that it ten of thirty two dollars thirty seven now if you meet some money on on cloud fair. I say good for you but these guys are just too inconsistent for my liking. There's money had looking for an easy way to access the nine trillion dollar gold market. I'm talking to an under the radar copy hoping to help then there are two deal staring us in the face and they are worrisome to the entire market the point them out. Tell you how to coach and all your calls rapid fire tonight's edition the lightning rounds so stay with Kramer and tomorrow kickoff the trading day was squawk on the street live from post nine at the NYSE. What is this on a podcast when you do this podcasts is doing with being now. I was just be out with ow fun Monday morning. Thing it all starts ninety m eastern unnerving weekend. Kim were somebody bond. Saudi Arabia's oil infrastructure send the price of crude Sorek knocking down the averages into appreciate the value having some gold in your portfolio. I've been pushing for precious. Metal's for months. Now isn't sure against economic chaos. Hey It's worth from thirteen hundred dollars. You're just under fifteen hundred right now. Regular viewers know I like Barrick Gold Old Nico Equal minds or the G. O. D. and that's an ETF that mirrors the action physical commodity but tonight. I've got a new more modern way to play it. I'm talking about a privately L. Company called Passos at Holes and safeguards both physical and digital assets passes created a product packs goal which is a token is version of precious metal digital digital asset that represents real fiscal gold Helton's triplication but with all the portability of digital preschool the world crypto currencies and digital assets but taxes seems going about this the what they're listening this legitimate vendors to take custody of their physical gold and price of that gold is the the basis for the tokens value. It's not the crypto currency trading trading sentiment so let's take a closer look Charles guerrilla. He's the CO founder. Sheila Paxos get a better sense of how this whole thing works Mr Griller. Welcome the MED money. Good soocer have a seat. Thank you so much all right so I tell people buy gold stocks. I tell people by the G. O. D. Why is your method of versus. Say The ged. Let's say maybe more true to the price of gold yeah so it's really important to realize with gold and really almost any commodity that either you can make really tradeable or you can own the underlying right but it's hard to have both so futures gold. ETF's you're not actually owning the underlying gold and that's not a problem as liquid equities tradeable but at the same time if you want to have the real thing you're gonNA have to go buried in your backyard and then when it comes time to unbearable because you WANNA spend it. You don't know if that's real gold so we've tried to solve solve that problem. Square that fundamental contradiction so packs gold is real unique. One token equals one ounce of gold and relates to a bar in brinks in London all way down to the serial numbers so you actually have real gold able to move around just like the G. L. D. or the futures market but yet you have the underlying actual well. How do you guys make bunny well. Well we make money and actually we don't make money from custody fees so actually that's really cool. There's no minimum to buy it. You can hold it with us. We make when you buy yourself okay because that's important important people with someone at my high school you this week in buried in the backyard said look you. That's the safest place I said wait. A second. Someone could steal that they might see word is but I said why not a safety deposit box. This is less expensive than safety deposit back exactly so we have a really great rate with brink's. It's really credible credible walt everyone's heard of ranks but there's only six volts in London that you store golden and eighty percent of the golden the world trade in the spot market so this is institutional grade vault that everyone in this world uses and it's opened a retail so that's really cool. We tried to build it so that's institutional grade but available for retail and for institutions so let's let's say. I know that I tried to buy some gold and it's a lot per per ounce at a lot of people balked at that. What's the small amount that you can buy. We use paxos yeah so we we go down to really. There's no minimum but we recommend you buy like a tenth of an ounce. Okay so that's basically you know one hundred fifty dollars minimum at today's prices and so anyone can get in by now hadn't been others have tried this and failed yeah. I mean I think what's really unique about Paxos is that were a trust company so we're regulated just like a bank and the reason that's important is you're not just trusting. Ask because we say you should trust us because we're regulated. We have oversight and so unlike anyone else. This actual token itself is regulated was approved by the New York Department of Financial Services. which is the banking regulator in New York so you're not just trusting us? We have regulatory oversight. We have an independent board auditor. We try to take all the boxes so this isn't just something that safer retail safer institutions to okay so we're the terms crypto and blockchain. We start thinking well. Wait a second. That was something that got everyone excited and people lost money on Crypto what is crypto and blockchain when it comes to taxes yeah. I mean I think if you think about blockchain. It's everyone talks about of recklessly. It's like this you know super short topic but it's really just a database and so when you say hey we put gold on a blockchain what we did is we put it on a distributed database and the beauty of distributed databases. Anybody can access it so you're not reliant on on paxos or anyone else to be able to move your gold around once. You're on the blockchain you send anybody else who's on that same blockchain with. You and that's what we're trying to do is use the power of database upgrade if you will as opposed to crypto which is a little bit different. I like you too but it's a completely different thing altogether because you're just owning the database okay so let's say Jamie Dimon. I'm watching the show and I say you know that guy cast grill. He's got a real good idea. I'm going to go do paxos. I'm going to do the same thing. What's keeping someone else from doing what you're doing. Well really there's nothing. There's no reason anyone else couldn't go do it. It's just a question of can you do it meaning. Do you have the engineers. Do you have the technology. Have you thought about how to create innovative products and so anybody can do that but I think what's native about. paxos is one word trust company so a regulated bank but to you know half. Our Company is product doc nearing. We're really a technology firm at heart and so we're trying to give you the confidence of a bank but the innovation of Silicon Valley and that's just different from I think most institutions that in the banking world today well look. I'm pro goal this another way to buy gold people to think about it and stop worrying that it's over fourteen hundred dollars. That's too expensive. Here's another way to play fled. Charles cast guerrillas the packs of sense of privately traded company but obviously you can buy Golden. What I think is a very secure way. They have monies back into the ring. It is premature talking and then the leg wounds over. Are you ready scheme with Bob Bob Hi Jim from her Sunny Hermosa Beach California how you doing I love Hermosa Beach. Hey Jim two weeks ago. ULTA beauty had disappointing earnings in the stock bill over one hundred dollars a share since then. It has lost another ten dollars a share. Is it safe to buy it now Kebab. The problem was the data analyst that Cole had a lot of analyst very angry and a lot of people given up on the company I have not I think it's within ten percent of a bottom. I've been wanting to wait. I wanted to wait until we see the next quarter but I'm okay with another twenty points and I'm fine with it. It's going to bill in Florida the bill. Hey Jim this is bill from Saint Augustine Florida Arial on a city around what's going on. Hey I I've got a question about a DVD Davita the large one of the largest dialysis providers in the United States and sex cover strong by John however they're down from their fifty two week high however today they were up a point a quarter right your oppression about the he gets very very good company. You know it is it's Dan a lot from its high but it's profitable. It's not expensive. I'm going to say bye to beat Tyler Texas Tyler her big Jim Cramer from Houston Texas. How you doing buddy all right. How about you. I'm doing well though on on my way to work this morning. I stop McDonald's to give me a make griddle stuff that we're about six percent off of. Those time is back in August. I JUST WANNA know. What are you think about it? I saved by Scott down a little bit last week accounting issue that wasn't really bad and now before saying doesn't do well in a higher gasoline. That's crazy. It's exactly you go. I think you by McDonald's how about Matt in Texas Mac big. Jim Amount well all right. Hey what do you think about the company at Kupa. Stuff were were around town a couple of weeks boy. Did they tell a great story expensive stock in his Cohen. How are we going to Joe in New Jersey Joe. Hello Kramer always a pleasure and the author could spark thank you what's going on recommended. Valley National Bank about two years ago yeah so own. It Shit got a hold on just four percent yield. I know it's not doing much but I'll tell you when they curve gets back again. You're going to feel good about a very well run bag kid. I like it okay. Let's go to John Pierre Kim Jong Pierre Mister Kramer caller big buoy. Oh yeah from me and my friend Photo Cody Gee I think about Cleveland Clinic too risky here worldwide slowdown I do not I want to go to Cleveland cliffs and whose life is sponsored by to deal mirror drew yeah. Sometimes I wish there was such such a thing as a buyer strike. I wish we could reach a point of Volgin with IPO's with the underwriters. Just say sorry. We aren't going to do this. Deal the savvy. That almost never happens because there's just too much money above the say. No the fees are great right now. We're staring down the barrel of two hideous deals that could be damaging to the entire hire Morgan the first we work or the week company or whatever the call themselves right now. Here's the company that is quite simply desperate for money they can raise three billion in European. They could also perhaps score a sixteen dollar loan. We worked needs all the caching get because they are losing money hand over fist. Unfortunately this is one of those deals that let's just say raise eyebrows the corporate governance stinks to high with some truly outrageous examples to self-dealing the most egregious the flamboyant CEO Adam Newman who's who's actually quite fun to be US got. We worked to pay spy point nine million in stock partnership control in exchange for the trademark the new name the week company I can't I believe we work with a great need changes to something much worse. The we copy sounds like it was coined by five zero say found a way to profit from it on the side. Fortunately Newman returned the compensation but that kind of behavior really makes me wonder about the ship style. There are words to describe this kind of thing. I just can't say them on basic cable worse some of the Wall Street Journal reported that new minute already cashed out at least seven hundred million dollars by selling shares or borrowing against them can't believe this okay see you as a cold or stocks book both after the IPO is maybe even by some and even know what seventy Yo sell stock before the IPO and word financial seem kind of crazed numbers are supposed to be straightforward but they're using bizarre metrics. They adjusted earnings before interest taxes depreciation amortization increase investments. There's a real estate company for Heaven's sake if they're growing fast. How can that be included. Are Pretty expensive now. Wonder we work the ultimate ultimate Unicorn a company got a forty seven billion dollar valuations last round of private fundraising is now talking about doing ten to twelve billion dollars valuation for the IPO incredibly incredibly the company's trying to fix some of these issues on the fly and the company has fabulous revenue growth. I will give it that so it could be attracted. Real growth hounds out there however I don't really care about we work itself. What bothers me. Is the investment bankers trying to jam this deal down. The throat feels like mutual funds hedge funds and the individual investors are helpless to stop it. That's a problem we work could hurt the entire market if it bombs what about the other potentially damaging. IPO Saudi Aramco the stories to express an interest in floating shares of the National Oil Company and what would be the largest initial public offering ever tax. I can't think of a worse opportunity. I'd expect evaluation in excess of a trillion dollars. That's what they're talking about which would flood the market with new stock. Even if only they floated a sliver outer. That's not what we need right now but the best we can hope for forced postponement at the end of the day. If you want the averages to go higher then it would be great if the investment because we just started doing these crummy deals of course that won't happen because they I don't want to give up. Their underwriting fees greed the going to do these. Unattractive deals hope they at least price them low levels enough to make the stocks enticing throat hurt the market get but even that won't happen unless big accounts pass when either piece of merchandise looked every bit of merchandise out. There has a level where it's worth by. I I just think the levels for we work in Saudi Aramco actually are much lower than either so we're unlikely to get reasonable prices for the buyers. If these deals aren't priced just a cheap levels I expect the market to get hammered on the days. They come public. What can you do have. We stopped participating low quality or high risk pews. How about we including you big money manage out there. Tell them we don't want these deals at any price that's about the only thing that will put a stop these extremely sub optimal the bowl and ill advised IPO stick with credit tonight order all new American greed said thirty million dollar house flipping scam run by a reality TV star but when his lies only unravel esteemed gets cancelled old and unwitting partner winds up dead don't miss it tonight at ten only on CNBC okay. We got some equity offerings tonight. Bunko which is no this this of cool when we liked that and shop another we like but we don't like to seem big epilogue breaks. That's often a sign of too much supply and I regard that is quite worrisome. Even though I liked Bunko I like shopping. 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Mattel CEO, Dominion Energy CEO, & Processing Colgate-Palmolive

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Mattel CEO, Dominion Energy CEO, & Processing Colgate-Palmolive

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Any Day can be colored by reports out of China on the number of people hospitalized. The number release the number who died. That's why the markets seem so whistles today delving tipping twenty five points. Spf Wendy percent. Now it's important to percents which is good a place as Eddie to roll out our game plan for next week. I as know. We're closed Monday for Presidents Day but China's very much open. I fear another awful set of statistics use antiquated Chinese authorities. But I don't know why more people though says they don't know what to do. They want people to go back to work. They want the GDP up. They don't want to let people down so the toll key to discouraging but the whole world is hang on these numbers because if this operate goes Pale he could turn to an existential crisis for the globe. If it gets there you'll have executives fearing not just for the coverage but for the laws that's right the very laws. I think the new infections will keep climbing. And it'll colored Tuesday's trading but again remember what I said from the very beginning. No one listened to me. Trust no numbers out of China Gold Trust them. What else Madison Tuesday Walmart reports? This also comes with an analysts beating. This now earns a bunch of people predict analysts. Predict this week that the quarter might be week. Although that's not clear to me at all I think much of their worrying goes back to targets disappointing results but if anything. I'm betting Walmart gain market share from target as lots of good things to say. We want to know how much they'll be hurt by the China's slow down and pick through their supply team we disrupt the important foods domestic. They've got a huge amount of business. That's that is from domestic source. But they have a lot of China now. Maybe you don't WanNa bet something something. So how about now case you bet on Mitch. Chronic medtronic member the medical device maker. We see them. We got to San Francisco. Now this is going to be the last conference call for the legendary. Ceo Omar Schroeck. And I expect it to be real. Good he's made shareholders a ton of money. In his time Wednesday. We might learn what this network plans to do with the assis buying for next to nothing from sprint. T. Mobile now I. They pledged to build out a wireless Debra can. I think we need some partners to make that happen. Or maybe we'll just tell us about the quarter in teasers about the future that could be now. We also hear from balanced health. And that's a company forming on his values and they come in all the time and this things become a reliable fixture in the growth stock community ever since Joe. Papa came in the CEO to fix the now. He's developed the habit of making the numbers. So unless bash reports are real bad day for the corona virus. I think the stock can go higher. Now we've seen some incredible moves in the semi stocks. Haven't we haven't witnessed invidia boring today? If you're amazing quarter we're going to spend more time talking about in video later this show how about analog devices. Api while it's nowhere near as is video. It's been consistent winner thanks to its Internet of things exposure kind of the manufacturing industrial semi. Then there's a Longo Alma health and I've been a big fan of wet as you know it's another animal health play but it's had been moved along on the other hand not as good as lettuce right but it's been a bit of a of a spun off and I like the odds on this one at this point. I'm not fan of oil to put it mildly. The stocks have been abysmal performers. Both because there's glide but also be his. Wall Street now cares about sustainability. Nearly every day that goes by we hear more stories about divestments and that block is gaining steam. The fossil fuel stocks tend to have no grow dicey balances especially for natural gas horrific fundamentals pressure naturalist. Kim Look at it. But there's one growth oil company. I actually want to listen to you. And that's pioneer not buying natural resources. We should push close now. These guys are always played straight. They'll give us the real skinny where the industry is headed. I trust them. I know lots of people are bonded about this negative stance when fossil fuels if you own stocks so if you hate hearing bad things about the industry well put your hands over your ears is. I'm doubling down right now. From energy transfer partners eating the giant pipeline company a same day. And I think you'll be able to figure out that we simply have too much pipe for ATP's own good. Now I also want to make further point says a very high yield and yet I worry about the size of that you'll given what's been going on in the AMMO situation. Avoid the stock well Thursday Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings reports. I think it said to say that the past is not prologue cruise industry right now. This whole industry is in crisis. You got a cruise ship quantity off the coast of Japan. It's filled with people to me. The Japanese you're making human guinea pigs for the krona virus number allowed off. Another ship was stranded. Asian wars didn't even have the virus. It was rejected by five ports until Cambodia. Generously allowed them in. I'm wondering just how many reservations have been canceled because the Disease Chapman crucible DEMOC. So how can you this Norwegian your? I think it's too risky. You know before the Corona I did like this very much but I want them to make the case. We also get results from one of the worst performers in my travel. Trust the embarrassing Viacom. Cbs Viacom finally merged with CBS. Reuniting after fifteen years separation I never would have guessed we had a first class ticket shareholder hale is incredible how this company has done when it said it set out to do to everything. It's it's it said emerged of the wall. Street considered impossible but it stock is probably the most hated the S. and P. Five hundred will why. Because it's all about cord cutting and people cutting the court that combination is. What attracted me to the but these days Viacom CBS. What more to entice other shareholders? Until then I'm talking about a broken stock you want consistency vote for American. Let you power con Ed which important warning respectively. These are two of the three best utility stocks along with Dominion Energy. Who we're going to hear from very night. I kinda napier absolutely worth owning ahead of the quarter but those talks have been smoke in all right. We hear from dominance to it. I want to know if the company still under pressure from these cheap on online delivery platforms. I'm talking about posts. Door DASH to privately held companies can afford to burn through cash because they're playing with venture capital money. The competitions hurt them but the action in the stock. Typically today for Domino's tells me that maybe there's some good things happening. It has traded incredibly wellness week. Now here's one that you know I've been behind. It's been struggling of late. Then toss booth and be able to pull out its tailspin. This was my favorite healthcare real estate investment. Trust re come under Farley. Because as MRS own forecasts thanks to an oversupply of nursing homes at least on the APP. Listen we missed it. I'm betting your deb. Cafaro gets the story back on track. She's historically been a bankable chief executive plus ventanas pay you a five point three percent yield to wait for the turn that I think deb is going on in gym. Cyber-security security stocks have become a little problematic plate now one of my favorite Z scaler reports after the close and its stock has been sneaking back up after some real turbulence makes sense to me. This killer does cloud scurry and I think that remains a hot area I think the Z. Scaler is going to be fine. I really do. I know I was cyber was a bummer. And didn't didn't that that well but I think this was finally. Friday brings us to deer and regular viewers know that I'm partial to the former equipment maker. Worries me though is that the corona virus has the whole agricultural complex. Stole who've been doing terribly but never fear. This is an election year and in election years. Farmers tend to get big handouts even bigger than these little subsidies bottom line as we head into next week. Remember every night. China puts out new corona virus numbers. They may be fiction. They may be fact. Probably something in between but the Rossi doesn't matter until the outbreak burns itself out the corona statistics and not earnings will continue to control the day to day action. I need to go to Bob in Michigan Bob. Jim Thanks for taking my call. I'm a longtime investor but only a recent convert to Jimmy Kill. But I'm wondering about Merck. It's been such a good performer for two three years now but they recently announced a spin off of some of their products or new company their stock prices off the coast of ten dollars from their fifty. Two Week is but fails forty five percent. So I'm unsure. What's next is this a buying opportunity or I have said Bob that it was not a buying opportunity and I'M GONNA change my mind right here when it got to three percent yield. That was enough for me by Merck at three point. Spying Saint Murky three percent with fourteen audible. I am ready to position now. The world is hang on these a grown virus numbers. That's really what people talk about. Expect those to color all of next week screen trouble in Toyland. Well I gotTa tell you. We've got Mattel. Wanted and Tomlin after earnings is a red flag or is it a buying opportunity. But then there's plenty of unknowns in this barking so which defensive plays could be worse circling back to you know themselves the group. 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Llc MEMBER NYSE SIPC gotten to the ICONIC toymaker Barbie Hot Wheels Fisher Price Puerta seemingly solid quarter last night while they're salesmen tad light down three percent year over year. They still delivered a terrific eight cents. Earnings beat all three phases nationals full year forecast looked impressive. Initially mattel stock soared in after hours. It was up. Five percent of one point makes sense but then the enthusiasm faded stock coping flat and then by ten thirty editor negative and fish. They down three percent of the problem. According to some analysts this was a low quality. Most of the gains here are coming from Costco's now from any strength in the toy business which is in rough shape. My you look tells you turn yourself around if they can generate much better than expected. Profitability was slightly subpar sales. Well who knows I will do when the revenues go up. So could it be worth buying into this this? Let's start with being on cry. Mattel get more incentives confusing. Where TURNAROUND MR CHRIST? Welcome back to money. Thank you Jim. It's great to be here okay. So here's I'm GonNa Pause it something you take it. I think people misunderstanding. What's happening. You cleaned up everything including costs in twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty beginning with the net flicks mattel deal you are now playing offense absolutely right. Two Thousand Nineteen was an inflection. Point in our turnaround we stabilize topline. After five years of consecutive decline we manage to significantly improve profitability and became positive free cash flow for the first time in three years. So the turnaround is working and when it comes to our revenue performance. We actually grew revenue in every geographical region and in five out of the six categories where we operate so. We're very happy with the performance. We grew market share in the fourth quarter and retain our global leadership position for the year. Now you have what I would describe as being a very attractive entertainments slate when I first met you. You were saying that. Michelle is going to be a platform when I see for instance a masters of the universe series coming. I'm thinking this is what's going to spur. Demand for Mattel twenty twenty absolutely. Our strategy is to transform a tale into an IP driven high-performing. Roy Company will in one of the strongest catalogue of children and Family and determined franchises in the world. And what you're seeing now with masters of the universe as well as movies in total that we announced between two thousand and eight thousand eight hundred nine hundred is a perfect example for his coming. Masters of the Universe is a great franchise. One of the Great. We thought Aji Superhero mythology to shows with Netflix. Another movie coming. Expect more to arrive now. In the meantime reenergize Barbie. I have to point out and people have to understand how important this is ninth consecutive quarter of growth. Where can franchise go if it grew nine percent to one point two billion highest for your gross sales list six years exactly the our purpose as a company is to empower the next generation to explore the wonder of childhood enrich the full potential? And you couldn't have a better flag-carrier than Barbie to promote diversity and inclusion and inspire bureaus to fulfil their potential. And be anything they want. Bobby is on Iran as you said it would just achieved our highest year of sales of the six years. Barbie has been the number one fashion property globally for each of the last four years and the best is yet to come. We have some great product innovation that we're introducing this year. Just can't wait to show you more. Speaking can't wait. I can't wait to hear what you're going to talk about with American girl at the food at the festival and I have to believe that. You've got a plan because that does that. The turnaround exactly American girl isn't turnaround. It is one of the most iconic cherish browns in the industry it has great legacy great heritage and deep engage fan base. We're now in the first year of a turnaround. We're launching a new strategy under a new leadership with enhancing the retail experience where launching new content new product architecture. Great experience in the stores again. It's a turnaround. It will take time but we are very firm believers in the potential and the future of the brand. I I know you as a total no nonsense guy. I needed truth on the ground appraisal of a very dynamic fluid situation which is China and the krone of ours. I have to believe that you've checked this out. You've made some decisions about how to handle it. Tell me what's really going on so I I should say that are Thoughts are with the people affected. Are People on the ground. Where taking all the necessary actions to protect their well. Being the health and safety we have a team of experts in the region that are looking to minimize disruption. We have the ability to mobilize some resources. Shift inventories leveraging our production capabilities and relationship with third parties. And so far. We're okay if this lingers it will have it will have an impact just take it will On the rest of the world but we believe we have relatively speaking A good standing in a better position than the rest of the industry because of our size our liquidity the where we design our manufacturing footprint which is now becoming a competitive advantage. And we hope that we'll be able to mitigate the disruption of course this lingers it would be tougher but for the time being we just have to wait and see and react as things evolve. I know you took over. You said you're going asset light your again completely true to your word last question. Where is the best place to build a toy? If China's off-line capitalizes key part of our strategy We as of now reduced three of the factories we consolidated or closed in China Mexico and Indonesia. We recently announced that we closing another factory in Canada. And this is all part of a campaign to achieve. More efficiency is higher performance and better output from our manufacturing footprint we are also in the process of reducing the number of items manufactured by thirty percent by the end of two thousand twenty. This is all part of our structures simplification effort which has been a headline driver for our cost. cost savings and really designing a company that is more progressive more than I make more flexible that is able to progress and cuts your value from our incredible acid base. This this is really part of a journey. We're not done this year. There's more calming. We expect to achieve fifty million dollars of savings in two thousand twenty from our capitalized project. And this is on top of the eight hundred and seventy five million dollars of savings rate savings that we achieved as of the end of two thousand nineteen so a lot of efficiency to capture dropping the bottom line and helping us drive growth in the long term. Alright well look. The story is just gets better and better. Every time I talk to you completely true to your word about what you said you do. And I think you'll do the same in two thousand twenty booths for shareholders. Thank you to eat on Christ sir. Thank you Jim. Man of his word. Toby is going to do everything that he's ended up doing. I think the story is a good one. Do have some corona virus risk. Obviously Christ he said Chairman and CEO of Battelle in my backyard down days for the Dow Jones Industrial Average. This is still a remarkable run so therefore what I do I get worried that it might not be sustainable. It only takes one bad set of coronavirus numbers. Maybe something from this weekend. To send the average into a tailspin. That's why I keep circling back to the classic defensive stocks because this outbreaks putting a real dent global economy and when the world slows will. You GotTa have some safety your performance. Why keep trying to expose you to these names. For instance last week we spoke to cross us. You know I think. That's the perfect corona virus play. We own it for the travelers. Don't forget bleach can kill everything including the grown virus because the surface does matter. It's a lot of is transmitted tonight. I've got another one for you. It's a long suffering consumer packaged goods. Name it used to be the best in the Group. It suddenly got screwed back again. It's called Colgate palmolive. Here's a company that makes toothpaste soap laundry detergent. All sorts of personal care products. Think Irish spring speed stick Ajax. Tom's of Maine. I mean. Think about it. Doesn't this look like what's in your bathroom. If I open the cabinet half the stuff is going to fall out. Unless you have it secured the colgate-palmolive for the last couple of years it's been dicey operator inconsistent was an inconsistent earner like Tony Soprano stock market. Prefers good earners as a result. The stock is under performance bouncing between the high fifty s and the mid Seventies. The better part of five five years in the last six weeks so come alive is up eleven percent for the year with most of that. Move Coming after the company reported a blowout quarter to SCO and stocks. That do that rarely stop at that percentage they go higher. And you know what? If you're spending years lost in the Wilderness. I think the future is looking bright for colgate. And I think it's a by what makes me believe in this turn consider where the company's coming from caucus main problem. It's been a lack of growth. Something that often happens to these big consumer packaged goods place from twenty fourteenth. Two Thousand Sixteen. The country experienced three straight years of declining sales. And that's thanks in part to a sprawling military restructuring effort by the twenty seventeen. It seemed like they had their house. Were but then. The business stalled out with another contraction the second after twenty eighteen. What went wrong. Okay first off. Colgate is a truly global company. This one even though you've seen all the time in the store only twenty one percent of his business. North America has very little for these kinds of companies forty hips income for emerging markets. Now that's a great source of growth but it also carries some unique risk when you get the vast bulk of your sales from overseas. Well guess what you're at the mercy of one of the worst markets in the world the currency mortgage getting a strong dollar in two thousand eighteen and declining currencies in Latin America. The most important regally colgate numbers just took a real hit remember. Strong dollar means they're foreign sales translate into fewer greenbacks and South America's put in wave greenback. Second thanks in part to these foreign exchange fluctuations raw cost inflation higher transportation costs. We've talked about a lot. Colgate had forced through some substantial price increases. Especially in countries devalue the currency's they had to do it to protect mortgages but obviously price hikes. Well you took the economy class. Probably they drive away customers. Put it altogether and these problems translated into a series of very weak numbers from two thousand. Eighteen and weak. Numbers gives you a stock. Of course colgate managed to rebound the first half of last year. Nice relief rally some of. That's because foliage chase me dividend dragged him. Although it currently yields only two point two percent but some of it was company-specific in April colgate delivered a modest beat that was good enough. Wall Street with management forecasting two to four percent organic growth. That's exactly what investors wanted to see companies able to raise prices without sacrificing vibe. That has changed now fast. Forward to July. You got another robust quarter. This time management told us that organic growth will come at the high end of the previous forecast. Stock China to seventy five however Wall Street started feeling more bullish about the economy landfalls. I've told you over and over again. So investors rotated they swapped out a defensive sock like colgate and they put their money into more cyclical names. It didn't help that when the company report November numbers were just okay. While the headline results were basically in line and management raised their organic growth forecasts slightly bunch of analysts took issue with the software than expected margin still stuck bottomed in a few days later. But it was in the mid sixties. Now you got a little bit of levitation. The run up to the end of the year and the first couple of weeks January but Kobe can really come roaring back until it reported. Its most recent end stunning screaming stunning results two weeks ago. Oh boy. This quarter was different while the line. The sales hotline much expected of five point five year over year price. It was up one point. Five percent global unify a five point five percent the organic sales rising and outstanding five percent. And you've got some nice margin expansion. Because that's the holy grail vegetable matter gave me very bullish forecast for two thousand twenty. No Wallace not met the new. Ceo Guided for three to five percent gaining sales. But this year. I think he's the only one in this whole. Sumer Package Group that I have not met Abe bricks more gross margin expansion two and mid to high single digit earnings will furry impressive. How did they pull it off? If you're struggling to generate growth colgate became a much more consistent opera it's a good earner get. They made that happen by investing in the brands and forcing price increases to maintain their margins. Wasn't doesn't hurt. Guess what the weekly which gives them a lot more breathing than the rest of the world. This is the ultimate weak dollar. Play right here. There are two more factors work since this fellow Wallace took over. Ceo last year the companies made a series of acquisitions. They brought this to Largo for large. I'll get it right for Laura's skincare business. Won't I really love the skincare business because I follow US water? This is a piece of it. This is the premium tight aging brand. And it's part of a broader strategy. We're doubling down on higher margin products. Florida deals already giving their sales a nice boost. It was really smart then last month. They NASA sport transaction pip hello products. That's rattling going. Toothpaste mouthwash brand. They're really getting a lot of toothpaste business. I used to use this sense and I know these really good. This is a real good book. The second factor Kobe's long been a leader in sustainability frears. No one on Wall Street really cared about this stuff. Think water conservation reducing plastic packaging. Now though there's a lot of money floating around that specifically earmarked for sustainable investments and so matters so. Can The stock continue to climb? Let me give you the bottom line. You're I the stocks feels little fully. I E trading twenty four times next year's estimates. But we're going to get some bad days in this market. This is want to buy a market white. Pullback the yard pounds coit exactly the kind of defensive name that could be worth buying into the teeth of a panic that. I expect now because the corona virus outbreak. And I've gotTa tell you panic possibility and when it happens colgate colgate colgate palmolive so fifty-six sixty five you know what I mean. It's got to wear them in Tennessee. William Jimmy Chill. Oh Man. I've been feeling what's up calling in regards to Yeti ticker symbol lights yes? I'm surprised that stock is back over. Five points despite Positive beat on earnings and a good twenty twenty outlook Followed you're successful guidance. To pick this up slowly as it sells off in the past in other time Yes ben Sterile and I my research record over and over and we feel exact same way. This talks being pushed down. It shouldn't be it is it had a brilliant quarter and there's been lean on thing from day one. They've got a good product. I think they do a good job and I thought the stock should have been out there for that. Were all right colgate palmolive. Yes holgate of all things is exactly. The pits name to buy the best doctor recommended for years eighties nineties. I think it's back. I think you should pal six hundred back now. Much money exclusive with. Maybe one of the foreign look totally companies in the country dominion dividend stocks suddenly back and styles at ten onto circle. Back to that company. I've got to see you then. The stock beat goes on. But is this sustainable? I'm giving my take and what it means for your portfolio of course oil on your calls rapid fire nights addition of light with fine yields plunging dividend stocks back in style in the Wall Street fashion show especially utilities which are red hot. Are Any of them. Still worth buying it. This move consider dominion energy. That's the Big East Coast Utility. It's got a little bit of everything. Regulated electrical and Gas Gas Pipeline look natural gas export terminal in Maryland. Oh and they're even a major player in renewables now reporter strong quarter earlier this week and talks been on a tear lately made new highs today but even appeared still sports abound four point three percent yield could have more upset. Let's take a close look with Tom. Foul the chairman president. Ceo Million Energy better in the quarter and where his company is headed. Hey Don we'll come back to make money. Jim Great to be with you happy. Valentine's Day same to you. You gave facebook terrific. Valentine's Day president yesterday with renewable energy partners. And I want you to talk about it because what this is about is when a forward thinking utility. Does something terrific to get business in where everybody wins? So you've got the floor. Thanks Jim you're referring of course to our Contract we entered into with facebook to build solar farm with them. We also done one with Arlington County. We have others with Microsoft. Amazon is moving eastern headquarters to northern Virginia in Arlington County. We've been working with them on that we have other. They have a lot of data centers. Here we've been working for that whole community for years now to help them meet their needs and desires to go to all renewable if they can get there and as quickly as they can and we're looking at trying to do the same thing if we can with the offshore wind farm we plan on building. Well one of the things when we went out to see Saudi Adele at Microsoft. I know he wants to have. Is these different scopes where he thinks that he can help. Change Really SA- food chain of energy so to speak. Most of the energy companies have are trying. Why are you so forehead? Why are you able to do these things when others keep saying trying? Well we've got a thoughtful about it. I think probably half a decade ago and started trying to instead of just saying hey. It's difficult to do that. Because of the way the regulation works or whatever we said. Let's work with them. Let's work with regulators to see if we can come up with methods that are worked for them making sure that the extra cost if there is any a lot of it can be done without any extra cost. Make sure that whatever extra costs are don't filter through to the rest of our customer base. So that's what we've been working on for. You know most of about five or six years. I wish others would listen. Because you're coming in you'll gross rate is still above the whole industry. Yes it is we you know just even five years ago Jim. We had a very little solar on our system. We wanted to make sure the cost got to a place where it was effective and cost efficient for our customers. Before we started deploying it in large quantities we brought from having none to the fourth largest utility holding company for solar in the country in just four years. Five Years Adulation for doing that. You've also put out a goal that I think is very hard for a lot of energy companies to do but I bet you beat. It introduced a Niro Net zero emissions by twenty fifty target carbon methane emissions. I mean these are very difficult for utilities. Meet they are and where you know where you have even more complicated for us than most because we also have a very large. We have a lot of local gas distribution companies in our company. We have a large gas transmission. Storage business. You Mentioned Co Point Allergy Export Facility Import and export facility a few minutes ago so we worked very hard on this. We'd had a goal to reduce methane emissions by fifty percent by twenty thirty and our carbon. We'd already reduce carbon by fifty percent twice the industry average. By the time I got this year to reduce it all the to eighty by twenty fifty but we worked hard on that over the last most of the year because I want to announce a target of net zero without seeing a way to get there and we became convinced that we can do it through a number of programs. We're already the largest investor renewable natural gas with some of our partners in the United States. And there are other things we're going to do. We are going to need a research and development to help with this in public policy support but we see a path to getting their good you Mrs Features Velvet. I think when you first this when you talk with the plastics companies. You're not hoping that they recycle more. You're hoping is that. Come up with a new technology that allows it to biodegrade you when you need if we wouldn't be able to give someone in science. Let's say five billion dollars to develop something. What do you really want to make it so that your footprints more? I think the two things that I would ask them to concentrate on would be a cracking the code on effective storage for electricity at fast scale. Americans we use electricity at an enormous scale and the storage for now is really see bits and pieces other than pumped storage which we on the largest one in the world. Actually in operated in the Virginia Mountains and the other would be and this will be controversy for some is coming up with modular nuclear reactors much smaller safer quicker to install one. That's good have you ever spoken to? Eli Musk have not been at a conference with him. But I haven't spoken to them closely. He was proposed at a dinner party. Is that the first one that you mentioned of the two things. He said it's going to happen and he said he would do it. Come kind of tell you this guy when he puts his mind to it. Maybe he's got some ideas and you can share with the industry. That would be great this what he's what he has worked on through. One of his companies is what they call candidates a wall. I can't remember exactly the name they use for it. It's a it's a standard set of lithium batteries that you can use for short term storage. What worked what I'm talking about. Is Longterm hours and hours and hours at a very very large scale not just for a house or Business and the other thing. We really need help with his carbon capture and storage. That's another that's part of the the international organizations looking at climate change of said we really got to crack the code on that too. Well terrific and thank you for all you doing -gratulations on your on your your all time high. And you deserve it. I WANNA thank Tom. Farrell the chair in presidency of Dominion Energy. I know if he's out there. You can challenge me. But I think he's the most forward thinking when it comes to utilize and carbon footprint for that. He's backing. It is time what is that. That's the pattern and then the lightning round is over. Are you ready? Steve Data with Michael in Florida. 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The Future of Food: Denver & Birmingham

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The Future of Food: Denver & Birmingham

"You're listening to heritage radio network were member supported food radio network. Broadcasting over thirty five weekly shows live from Bushwick Brooklyn. Join our hosts as they lead you through the world of craft brewing behind the scenes of the restaurant industry inside the battle over school, food and beyond. Find us at heritage radio network dot org. Hi bomb squad. Welcome to the future of food a radio cherry bomb miniseries. I'm your host carry diamond. Cherry bomb team toward America last year, and travelled from Detroit to Portland to Atlanta and lots of places in between to ask women what the future of food means to them throughout the series. You're going to hear talks and panels that we recorded on each stop. You'll hear from women ruling the wine world top chefs, turning the tables and farmers making the world a greener place. These members of the bomb squad shared their vision for what's next in their world and the world around them. I hope this series inspires you to stop and think about your future. Thank you to carry gold for supporting our tour and this miniseries. Carry gold is the iconic Irish brand known for its award winning butter and cheese made with milk from grass fed cows. For this episode were spotlighting two very different cities. Denver and Birmingham. Denver known as the mile. High city is the capital of Colorado Birmingham is the biggest city in the state of Alabama and was a significant set. Thing in the civil rights movement on this episode. We're checking in with women in each of these bustling places before we get the show on the road. Let's check in with our sponsor. There are so many things you can do with cheese beyond just making a cheese board. And who knows that better than cheesemaker? We checked back in with Sarah for no the farmhouse cheesemaker whose family created the famous carry gold cash L blue Irish farmhouse cheese. We ask Sarah for some of her favorite ways to cook. With Kerry gold cheese. If ways if I'm with my kids, we might be making pizza with. Formante GIO with maybe some, you know, some aged carry go shatter, our Sorolla, or I might pop it into a resort show and like making inverted baggers for friends if the come over inverted burger, I've never heard of that. Stay tuned to hear Sarah, explain exactly how she makes this inventive burger with Kerry. Gold Cashel blue Irish farmhouse cheese interested in putting your own spin on dishes with Carrie goals. Award winning butter and cheese. Visit Carey gold USA dot com for recipes and inspiration. That's carry gold. USA dot com. Let's welcome. Our first speaker, Jen Griggs Sebastian from rebel girl bakery in Denver. Jen was super inspired by the riot girl movement of the nineties when it came to creating her business here. She explains the concept of girls to the front. Everything I've done the past few years have been about being fearless taking a leap and having no regrets. So here we go. I believe the future of food is rebelling. The name of my businesses rebel girl bakery, and the mission is to rebel against the status quo as well as make yummy treats. But let me take a step back and gave you some insight into the inspiration for the business riot girl was an underground feminist punk movement. Start in the nineteen ninety s out of it emerged music genre and movement that was inspired by the punk scene in which women could express themselves in the same way men had been doing. There was a strong emphasis on building all inclusive environment in community from the beginning. And they had to fight for many of the basic rights such as safety riot girl. Had a manifesto, and I want to read a few excerpts from it to kind of give you an idea of what the movement was all about because I need laughter, and I need girl. Love we need to build lines of communication. So we can be more open inaccessible to each other because we are divided by our labels in philosophy. These and we need to accept and support each other as girls acknowledging are different approaches to life and accepting all of them as valid because a safe space needs to be created for girls where we can open our eyes and reach out to each other without feeling threatened by the sexist society and our day to day bullshit because we need to talk to each other communication and inclusion is key. We will never know if we don't break the code of silence because every time we pick up a pen or an instrument or get anything done. We are creating the revolution. We are the revolution. I really think that there's a strong correlation between the riot girl movement, and what the metoo movement in the cherry bomb community. The bomb squad are trying to do for women and food and beyond the riot girl movement as well as the music of many of the bands associated with it was some of the inspiration for the name and mission of rebel girl bakery. I the name Kathleen Hanna was one of the founders and leaders of the riot girl movement as well as the front woman of the ban bikini, kill they have a song entitled rebel girl, which is where the bakery named comes from as well as the whisk guitar logo that I created and tattooed on my arm. I also named one of my bread starters after Kathleen Hanna. In the song. She sings about a girl who is the Queen of the neighborhood. And is starting a revolution. Second the mission in story. I started rebel girl bakery earlier this year, but the journey here. Started back in January twenty seventeen when I decided to make a career change and go to culinary school. This is the first time that I was truly fearless and took the leap without a real plan. It was the first of many fearless leaves that. I would take in my culinary food adventure. I learned a lot in culinary school. In addition to kitchen skills. I also learned about myself. I learned that I love the pastry kitchen and bringing people together through food after graduating. I started thinking about the next step. And I knew that it had to involve baking. There was no going back. I had to push fearlessly forward after tons of research. I found that I could do baking business out of my home under the cottage food act. This allowed me to start the business my way on my terms. I wanted to challenge. Enj break and change the rules of baking business and build a community through food. I started telling my goods at a pop bakery that I set up in my enclosed front porch of my house. I got the word out old school by plastering flyers around the neighborhood, but also use social media, especially Instagram in next door to reach out to the community and it worked people came and came back again. And again, I also sell it. Indie artists in markets around Denver and every Monday, I set up a table with other cottage food vendors at a neighborhood brewery. I love meeting and creating relationships with my customers and the community that is being created there right now, I'm thinking and dreaming about what is next. I'm not sure where the baking adventure will go from here. But I feel that the possibilities are endless and just now enjoying the journey for now and continue to feed and grow my community. I believe that. If you follow your passion, you will find a way to make it happen. So I know that the future of food is bright. As long as you're willing to rebel be. Fearless. Take the leap you will have no regrets. And it is a future of food that will build community use local and seasonal ingredients. Encourage inclusion acceptance inaccessibility as the original riot girl, Kathleen, Hanna would say girls to the front at rebel girl bakery. I like to say baker's to the front. Thank you. Rock on gen we hope that now Kathleen Hanna and bikini kill are back on tour. They had your way and get to try your baked goods next, Sarah Brito of good food media joins us to share her truth. Her talk was recorded shortly after the death of Anthony bourdain last year, and Sarah does talk about how suicide affected her family. My idea of the future of food in truth is more of a wish and hope and to begin. I'd like to share three truths with you truth one. I was abandoned at birth being abandoned at birth. I was essentially born into a lifelong journey of seeking the truth to two basic questions who is my mother, and where did I come from? In the absence of this primal connection growing up food became my substitute for love and nurturing and restaurants, my substitute for family and connection. Don't even get me. Started about my love of dairy products and cheese in ice cream truth to I was adopted at six months old being adopted I've tended to identify as an outsider with so-called others. And for most of my life have found it much easier to speak out for an advocate on behalf of others in college. This was African Americans and Latinos today. Day. It's farmers. Chefs restaurants and restaurant workers truth three suicide. I lost. The mother who raised me to suicide in my twenties. And I can tell you from firsthand experience that there is nothing quite like a suicide wakeup call to remind you or me at twenty eight that life is short to be doing anything other than what you love. I have since found in been reunited with my true mother. I'm still advocating for farmers, and chefs and restaurants, and I'm doing what I love. So because of this as well of years of therapy because I think we're allowed to talk about therapy openly, these days, I feel more whole than I ever have in my entire life. But still these are my troops and truth is why I believe that Anthony bourdain touched so many people so deeply last week and article in the New Yorker by Helen Rosner led with the headline Anthony. Ordain and the power of telling the truth, Pete wells of the New York Times said Anthony bourdain was teller of often unappetizing truths and in reporting on his death nation's restaurant news wrote that Anthony bourdain was a truth teller who cut through what he identified as bullshit. Today inspired by him. I want to call bullshit on the way mainstream media, and our culture and by mainstream media, I'm not including Jerry Baum. Means stream media, and our culture have this stork -ly over the past twenty to thirty years viewed and valued farmers food. Chefs restaurants and restaurant workers I want to call bullshit on it. Because I believe it's doing a disservice to our humanity. The truth is that food is about much more than what's on our plates and good food is about much more than just taste service and ambience good food is about stories. No, one knew this better than Anthony bourdain teast is just the beginning of the story or the end depending on how you look at stories of where in when our food is grown raised and produced help ground us in space in time in physical space and time also known as. Arale or in real life. Stories of who is growing cooking and serving our food and washing dishes and cleaning the bathrooms in scrubbing the toilets. Connect us to each other as fellow characters in the human experience and human history. Stories of how our food is grown cooked and eaten connect us through tradition to past present and future generations. This is why I co-founded the good food one hundred restaurants, a new annual list in rating system that challenges the status quo in tries to tell the stories behind what we're being served in restaurants. It celebrates the restaurants and chefs that are being transparent with their business practices. What's really happening in the back of the house from their food purchases and their labor practices, while also highlighting the economic, social and environmental impact that they're having on the food system. And when we honor these true stories food, I believe we have the power to make ourselves and each other feel whole in human. In the end food and stories were not enough to save Anthony bourdain, but in seeking and sharing the true in whole stories of food his life was a generous offering to us a lifeline to our own and others humanity. We can honor his life every time we eat every time we buy food every time. We choose a restaurant by doing what Anthony would do seek the truth and call bullshit as you see it. Thank you. Thank you, Sarah for being so open and honest about her life. If you or someone you love needs help or just to talk to someone please call the national suicide life prevention hotline at one eight hundred two seven three eight two five five that's the national suicide prevention hotline now, we're traveling down to Birmingham, Alabama. This panel was held at the Birmingham. Essential. And we loved getting to meet the Alabama members of the bomb squad. Our panelists included Kristen farmer hall. Co owner of the essential Courtney pig herd of honeycreeper chocolate Celeste pillow, owner of Odette restaurant in Florence Alabama digital content director, Stacy Rivera, formerly of food and wine and Shefa Masha Boulia of urban ministry for me, especially being in the craft chocolate movement versus big chocolate when you think in those terms consumer education around food, and I think it's important. We all have some understanding of where you're. Foods coming from what sort of processing it's been through Thani. What extent of processing what's in it? What the contents are ingredients and just more education for consumers understanding that. So they can make more informed decisions around their purchasing choices for themselves for their families. It's super important in terms of chocolate. I can go on and on about that for days. But I won't Celeste truly just educating people's to what they're putting in their body. And what? Can be gained from that. There's health benefits from different ingredients and vegetables and fruits and just understanding where it's coming from what it can do for you. And. Understanding that that's sort of a health insurance at the same time. I think people get really attached to fads, and while all of these things can work when I came to the fruition after I had done a lot of fads. Understanding what I was actually eating is the most positive thing that you can do for yourself. And I think that and I hope that that's something that our community in our country and world continues to do because if you know that then you already are back to where it started Kristen future food for you. I mean, I would also echo a lot about where your food is coming from. And you know, one of the things that I think is really important is that especially at this point in life. Ignorance is not really an excuse for not really knowing where your food comes from. And we all sort of support a system knowingly or unknowingly when we purchase things when we go to the store and buy products, or we are like we go to different restaurants. We are sort of saying as consumers, and as humans with big hearts, I support the people that make this food that grow this food that pick this food. So I think it's a really interesting time because we have so much information right now. So I would definitely echo sort of consumer education when I've thought about sort of future, if honestly like the president of food a couple of words, come to mind for me, which one is honesty. I mean, I think that echoes a lot of what we've been talking about is being honest with ourselves that maybe our food system isn't where we'd like it to be an honest with ourselves that we again knowingly or unknowingly or choosing to support those systems, and then kindness, the restaurant industry has not been kind to people at all a lot of females, of course. But just people in general, I'm again, we've talked about like lots of screaming and lots of ego, and lots of arrogance and a lot of aggression, actually, both from servers service industry professionals and honestly from guests it's been a lot of animosity into. So lot of sort of. It's been an interesting industry and has changed so much. Much really in the last five years and certainly in the last two years. So I think for me the future of food is creating a system where we are very well aware of who we are as people as professionals as in the service industry, but as consumers, and that we are just really kind like food is not really been a kind of industry, and I think for us moving forward our vision for the essential was to be a place where where we were honest about where food comes from again, we love our farmers very much, and there is such a relationship that can happen between the industry, the actual people who serve food and the people who grow the food. And I think that that's a really important connection that we should all be asking those questions. Right. Like, we ourselves have such a powerful voice food is the largest industry in the entire world. Right. So we have such a huge voice both as industry professionals and as consumers to say. We do or do not support these things. So like learning about where your food comes from who picked it. How it got here? I love that. We can often say Jesse down the street. I think the future food is really shortening that gap between a person who grows our food and the person who serves our food so curious to to hear what you have to say about all that because you've got a very different constituency that doesn't always have a choice in where they got their food what they can afford all of that sort of if you want to weigh in on that, or if that's tied into what you think the future food is it very much. I think the ultimate vision for me understanding that food is a human right? The food ain't happening. Ain't nothing happen. Of course. If you never been without foods, you may not fully understand that. So I would really like to see a circumstance where you know. I fully Tate a community. Cafe this pays you can no one's denied them meal because they don't have money we serve the best food that we can source scratch made organic when possible all natural ama-, chef a chef. And I am a gardener as well facilitate to programs community garden and a community. Cafe one world everybody eats? It was a really cool beautiful funky place with vegetarian food that was just exquisite and the thought that one world everybody can eat God knows how much food we throw away. So one of the visions could. Be whatever the eatery is that there was at least an option to pay as you can I visited such a place in Berkeley, California. Cafe gratitude and high in food really good vegetarian food, really beautiful atmosphere. But there was an option on there. If we could just at lease internalize, the concept on that level as a beginning, and that food is not elitist. Sorry, exclusive that you don't have to be a foodie to not only have access to good food, but good food experiences. The menus for your cafe aren't that different from menus from nice restaurants. I was really struck by the thought and the ingredients and the sourcing that goes into what you serve their me. And my chef partner are foodies after I said. So we did start off with what you want to cook. What you want to cook just over the top with the charge of preparing it in a way and sharing it with people who may not be familiar with that particular food. So tenuous space that we occupy between was familiar, and what's not familiar and always pushing that, but always prepared with the best ingredients in the best ways that we know how and infused with the cultural understanding based on the community that we work in. And I think what undergirds that to expound upon what you were saying about kind is we love feeding people. It's not a soup kitchen. We love experience a feeding people, and it's a beautiful thing to look out and see not only the west income unity. But people from downtown people from over the mountain and everyone's sitting together in that moment at in that space and time if the person happens to be homeless, they're insulin place, this warm and comfortable and beautiful, and they are well-served served. And if you are a business executive, you can kind of just experienced something different and to sit at the table, and and just be present with one another so. Absolutely. And hoping we come back to Birmingham. We can come. Visit. Are there plans to expand it beyond two days a week? It is as you can. So we have to be creative. We do catering. And then another aspect of what we do is we hire young people from the West End community, and we train them. We don't look for the culinary ins, and we don't look for the polish young person. So that is a process can you show can you show up on time? Can you show it without an all time without a attitude? You know, and then we slowly share with them what we know. And so in two years time, they've gone from no skills to actually pretty much facilitating all the food preparation. So that's the long answer to say it will take time. We don't have trained chefs that do what we do. Do you get a lot of cooperation from the local food world to the extent that we are known? This is the very new experiment is a very intimate experiment. And I think. When we started. We were very mindful of being in conversation with the community. So that there would not be a day lose coming from the outsides. We wanted the community to know that this was their cafe. And then it was so new we are trying to have been trying to figure out what we're doing. So we didn't want to put ourselves on blast like that for better or for worse. All right, Stacy your turn future of food. What do you think of? Less for good. And for bad. I think I see a media person who does strategy and works with edit teams and the sales teams I spent a lot of time with our advertisers. There is a genuine commitment for right or wrong towards less ingredients. Let's packaging, it's just happening. It is they don't have a choice. I'm not saying they're doing it altruistic Lee. But it is happening and pretty quickly. I think I see a lot of chefs especially the past year so thinking one restaurant done, right? Not twelve done spread thin, right? And I think I've heard a lot of regret about that spread thin part. I think I see less inflated video views and bullshit traffic, which frankly, I really happy to see we all sort of suffered from the like about three seconds after food got, bro. It got huge and so much food. So much content. So many of you know, and it was hard to tell honestly, what was resonating, and what's not resonating, and what's really helping people on a daily basis, and what's not. You know, I see that pulling back every day. And it doesn't scare me. It actually makes me feel really good. Because at least then we'll understand what our user wants as opposed to what someone is inflating. Right. The last thing is going to have its moments that are going to not be as awesome as well. You know, obviously, we just close cooking light, which was really hard. And in the bigness of food media came a lot of food media. You know, and I'm not sure that all of its going to survive. I'm not sure all of it should survive. Honestly, I know some of it should most of its in this room. But yeah, I mean, I think I see less for more. Right. You know, I think about I have hired a lot of very smart young women those at my time at time Inc. And when I was in the Conde at bone up, and they are a different breed of people. They are smart and quiet and like just Rockstars. But they don't have to take up so much space. They don't have to announce where they are every time. They're they're they don't have to be followed. And yet they're doing all of this incredible smart, really thoughtful writing. And so to me that's the place where I see less as a bad word. But a good thing makes them. All right. So we're going to jump ahead to the twenty Twenty-eight question. I've asked each of these women to think about what she will be doing in the years ahead where she hopes she is her business the industry one of those things all of those things Courtney again, you're in the unlucky seat. Right. Next to me sorry. And this is the one this was the last question on the list. So I was like. No, I think in terms of my business and honeycreeper chocolate since we're very new right now, that's big. But for me, it would be a lot more partnerships and collaborations at origin with farmers and then with makers and just facilitating more things for them. And how we can be a part of it and be supporting them because the farmers at origin or what and the makers or what it's all about in craft chocolate. So personally, I have no idea in ten years. Our kids will be like both graduated college. And maybe will be just like travelling the world and finding great chocolate. I have no idea of Celeste ten years as a business we've been open for five years and a week in a couple of days, which is a pretty big deal for restaurant. And we are expanding our catering, and we are going to open a fast casual concept in line with being able to expand the catering. And with that said what I really thought about was. One that will still be in business in ten years because that's double the time. We've been in business and opening another one that gives it an padding and genuinely what popped into my head is that I am vacationing and not looking at my cameras on my phone. And not having to be their day to day and still being in business and successful and giving people what they want. Alright Kristen how about for you while that's kind of a loaded question. Gosh, so ten years from now, a hope that Victor, and I have continued honestly to open a couple of other ventures that we believe really add to Birmingham. The city is is one that I'm not from Birmingham. But I chose it. Right. And I've been here for a really long time and have seen Birmingham, go through such an evolution of personality and of a place. And so I think for me personally, I want to continue to invest in our community in a way that makes it better and not just because we like to open restaurants because honestly, this is a really hard business, right? This is not something that people who are saying really do. And it makes you even more crazy when you open these places, but. I know it sounds kind of kitschy and kind of contrived, but for us in for me every single face that comes through our door, and sort of our goal is to just bring life back to the space and ten years from now hope we have another couple of places that were really thoughtfully created and have revived a specific part of food. Maybe obviously pastry is my heart. And so I think we definitely want to continue to sort of grow in a pastry sort of bakery since if things, but just for us just to continue to create places, I know a lot of you know, about the essential. But what's really fascinating about this place is that we opened it just a few months ago, but we've been working on it for a couple of years, and where we're sitting right now was a thank drive through so two years ago when we looked at this space where the bakery is in majority of that kitchen was underground K. And so it takes a lot. To be able to sort of see past honestly Birmingham history. And a lot of the things that we have sort of stood behind and supported or not supported, and I think for us to be able to be a community that continues to sort of see where we can go right because. Yeah. Like, I said we dug fourteen feet down from the back here. So it's really quite an honor to be able to make pastries back there knowing that this building which was built in eighteen eighty seven. I'm had really been buried so ten years from now you'll hopefully still see face and a bunch of restaurants among twenty twenty eight. I am living on ten twenty acres and a little cottage with garden and granddaughters hanging out with me in the garden and in the kitchen, but that's not what to talk about. We all want. Yeah. Visiting we have our third generation of Prentiss that have been trained by the train apprentice, we are open five days a week. The idea of page. You can is a common concept. We have a line of product because we do have some really good products that we have not packets. So we have a line of packaged products. We have cookbooks mostly we have a community that is happy that we are there. There are no stranger to food. And we've seen that happening with things like blue grits serving that Swiss chard into Ladas we serve organic is t- every week. And so, and then there's a children's program that we feed and people come through in the extra particular things. And it's the inside joke like y'all in real boozy. So. Yeah. Just but mainly that the young people that we have trained are able to train other young people to carry on the work. All right. I have to ask I don't know what blew grits are. Grits are I don't know a blue grits are. Yeah. That's just me. With blue corn. I heard someone else. Exclaim does everyone know blue grits are thank you for being honest back there. I didn't till I came here if that helps. Okay. That does help. Yes. Alright. Stacey your turn. Well, if I've done my now, right working two to three days a week for a lot of money on the beach being hired by one of these women I've been pulling along because I love them and they're smarter than me at any of my previous publications. I hate Tanzer the future of media question because the truth matter is is that it's really I am one hundred and fifty percents or there's always going to be pictures and words giving food service to people what platform they're going to be doing it in almost doesn't matter to me. I've worked print I've worked social network digital. I've done video something also come and people will still because since the caveman days people need to see words and pictures to tell them how to do something. So I think it's going to be thriving. And I think I know the generation of people who are going to make it through. Five and I can't wait to see what they do with it to be honest. But like am I going to hold it might wanna listen to it? I'm not gonna watch it. I'm not sure I don't think right now, we could be this has been such an unprecedented time of consolidation and change. And there's a lot of things to shake out to see what happens, but good food service from a content perspective. That's always going to be people. Always need it, storytelling and people. Yup. Yeah. Those two things will never go with literally since like capes. Oh, I need to know. What thing? Okay. I'm going to get someone who's better at it to write it down and tell me that's never gonna change. Right. And so, but but it's it's mechanism has constantly evolving. And that's like not a thing to be scared of. That's great, right? That I know it's going to evolve. And then I feel confident I know that generation of people who are gonna evolve it, so maybe the cave of twenty twenty eight will be the cave again, maybe the cable. Yeah. So all right. We'll thank you for your very thoughtful answers. We're going to turn it over to you now. And if anyone has like, I said common questions statement. Hi, my name's Mary Clayton, like my voice Asari loud enough going back to the original thing we start talking education with it. Obviously all of us who are here are already in this world in some capacity and care about it greatly and care about, you know, making sure food has always been a way to have a community and that kind of stuff, but for these people who are out in these food desserts. How do we educate them? I mean, a legitimately don't know. Because I I've which ends valley we're trying to do this feet on the ground. But what what are your opinions on this because I don't know? So obviously, I think people like me bear, huge responsibility for this because they do have access to content, and we need to let them know. What's better? And it's cheap to do what I do ultimately and to consume what idea? So I think we have a huge responsibility from the media side to make it clear which things are good and to help them close their knowledge gap, because if we're going to publish thirteen pieces of content a day, which a lot of food sites do some do more. It's our responsibility to be service journalists and to make sure providing service at the same time put a ton of pressure on CPT companies and big food to understand from a financial perspective. They're not going to survive and less. Their products are better for the same price. And then it'll happen. To some degree without struggle. But that's because we have to hit them an this happening. It's totally happening. Their their businesses are also in distress and they have to turn around. But I think we bear a tremendous responsibility to make sure we're not just putting out words for word sick. You mentioned Johns valley, and I think in terms of larger scale I would love to see in every state in every city a program like Jones valley in the schools beginning at kindergarten not just feeding them, but educating them about food and having farms onsite at schools. I think what Jones valley has done here is huge and could is a model that could work all over the country. And I think if it was replicated multiple times over you know, that could start to make a dent of some sort. So we've talked a lot about the future of food what food trend do you hope as gone in ten years? Alright speed round candy that this meant that they call chocolate, but is not chocolate. It is candy. I wish it would go away. I would hope one day when people hear chocolate they think chocolate not a vehicle for sugar that has really very little chocolate in it at all. Matchup foods. I'm over it. Anything with the word Kito. Thirty. I think for me it's not really a trend. But so often pastry means sweet, right? It means cupcakes and sprinkles and icing and sugar and sugar and some more sugar. And so for me, I'm hoping that like pastry means croissant. And gosh, man, Danish and a seasonal cake right something, that's really highlighting ingredients that in fact are naturally sweet versus like there's a whole bunch of icing on this thing or a cupcake that's just covered. So for me, I wouldn't necessarily say it's a trend, although in the south bakery, always been sweet things. So I'm hoping to rage against that machine. In that. I don't dislike cupcakes there so many amazing beautiful options for pastry that does not include sprinkles, although or rainbows or rainbows over that one two or fun Feddie or those kinds of things don't get me wrong. I mean, we have pop tarts here in this case every single. Day, and I love them. But just there's so much depth to pastry that is not iced. I'm in a room of friends, right? I would say so-called fast foods, I was they would just go. All right one more question. Hey, my name is Sarah since we're in the south are food has a lot of history to it. And we're talking about the future food, but I feel like learning about our history is important. Do you see learning about the history of our food playing a part in the future of it? And if you do how we might see that evolving or what place it might play. I guess I'll to that just a little bit. I do think it plays a huge part in understanding where food comes from. And I think that so often southern food has become sort of the meeting three which again props to Johnny is like there's such a comfort in that sort of type of food, but that isn't southern food food that is southern food that's grown in the south, right? And our climate is specific to certain ingredients, which is why we have certain like meeting three necessarily. So I think for us like it's just learning what vegetables grow here and grow really well here, and why that is and that that really is southern food. And I think that just becoming aware of that connection to the earth really like this is southern soil that we like live and breathe every day is really southern food. And so I'm hoping that that plays that that has a voice in terms of what we do here in the south. We have such an incredible. History that is full of very bittersweet moments. And I think that while honoring our past and really sort of understanding where we are for the future. That's really understanding. What does it mean to be in the south? And what is food actually mean? I'm going to know we spoke about southern food ways. Alliance was huge educator and historic sort of historians of food. So I think that we should be asking ourselves questions of what does what does southern food mean to me? Like, what does it mean to live in the south and be in the south and choose Alabama, or obviously, we're all choosing to live here now and just being proud of where we live, and where we work I think is really important and understanding like what grows here what doesn't grow here in. Why doesn't it? And I think that's an interesting sort of dynamic to start asking ourselves our own questions. All right. We are going to stop there. But all of you round of applause for the panel. Thank you to the panel. And to our audience members for such a great discussion will share all the wonderful places, we visited in both cities after this word from Kerry gold. I know you're all eager to hear more about this inverted burger. I certainly am. You're definitely going to make this recipe this weekend. So be sure to take notes here's farmhouse cheesemakers, Sarah for no describing her Goto recipe that includes carry gold Cashel, blue Irish farmhouse cheese. I thought some good quality round statements. I will special smooth amount of diced onion on snakes that in with grand mints, and then take a small amount of cheese on on a hole in the in the burger patchy pump it into the center and just lose it back up. And then us the burgers cooking, of course, the blue cheese melts incentives when you buy into a beggar you've got a little source. It will surprise and who doesn't want that captures. The flavor of the cheese. Very well. I'm just odds complementary element the burger so it works. Well, it's good very easy as well. Want to make your own inverted Birkir with Kerry gold Cashel blue Irish farmhouse cheese, or maybe some carry gold aged cheddar cheese. Visit Carey gold USA dot com to find out where you can purchase their award winning, butter and cheese. That's carry gold USA dot com before we go. I want to give a shoutout to some of the great places we ate and drank on tour. Let's start with Birmingham. We snuck over to the honeycreeper chocolate boutique, of course, before our event began and snapped up somewhere Tizzano chocolate bars as well as some bon-bons from eat chic one of my favorite chocolate brands. And of course, we had a lovely lunch at the essential. We also made sure to stop by the Alabama biscuit company for a quick breakfast before we left town in Denver. We had drinks at the rhino yacht club and a truly beautiful meal. Jeff, Kristen Glover's a net a farm-to-table restaurant in Aurora, Colorado. Our show was produced by just Seidman and supported by carry gold. Thank you to the teams at the essential Birmingham and the source and Denver for hosting us. And thank you to all of our speakers. And to the amazing members of the bomb squad who joined us for these tapings. Thank you for listening to the future of food miniseries. Here's to a delicious tomorrow.

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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 07/25/19

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

46:02 min | 1 year ago

Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 07/25/19

"<music> Asia remains the fastest growing region in the world and we'll make up two thirds of global middle class consumption by the year twenty fifty at Matthews Asia. We've been investing in Asia for over twenty five years and our mission is to champion Asia focused investment vestment solutions that may profit from this growth and build wealth for our global clients over the long term find out what a dedicated allocation to Asia cannot to your portfolio at Matthews Asia Dot com slash opportunity the mission simple to make you money. I'm here to level the playing field all investors. There's always work at summer and I promised to help you find mad. Money starts out. Hey I'M CRAMER WALL mighty welcome Ukraine America fans of trying to make some money. My job is to entertain educate teach and put it in context so call me at one eight hundred seventy three or tweet me catch camera. This earning season has suddenly gone completely schizophrenic. which is how you get daily today with the Dow Lost One hundred twenty nine points as we say point five three percent Nasdaq nosedive used one percent for the first two weeks Bernie season? Things were pretty straightforward sure this society coty might be let's say slowing down but the consumer was doing so great backed by strong job market higher stock prices and they were Gonna I tell you there's offsetting any industrial week this this week. It's a totally different story. The markets no longer when it's mids while two-thirds of our economy is consumer oriented indeed the other third has gotten so bad so fast that is crying out for some kind of government intervention. That's what cost today's we just because the non-consumer economy is just plain worrisome later tonight. We're speaking to American Electric Power and you know that's the Lord is Power Transmission Company in the whole country yeah. They just reported this morning. If you're trying to get a really communist nothing better than talkative then getting power so it took my breath away when I heard Nick Ache. It's comment say the biggest economic headwind we have at this point is the impact of the trade war on the businesses as an A._p.. Service territory inquiry he continues quote the increasing of tariffs on goods beyond steel aluminum have impacted export manufacturers in our service territory. Certainly the trade wars have weakened the world economy and caused a strengthening U._S. dollar which adds even more more Berlin quit. I'm going to ask about this change when he comes on the show. I mean you need to know it. It costs a dramatic four point six percent Klein for the companies in his area that are non non guests would that story. I mean these will disappear companies. What was the recent decline of power us? Hey Do you know that the steals down one percent power US sometimes to the test I protect. I sure hope that Jay pal are fed. Chair recognizes that what he needs to do is what I'm doing. He needs to check him without it's like A._D._p.. The largest Trent transmitter in the country if he talks to them Hunterston the tariffs are really decking part of the country again. I you know I've been supportive of the trade war with China. It is time this is still the best this moment to crack down on their deeply unfair practices and I knew there would be some short term pain but holy cow sern real doozy of industrial doubter needs fed help now while the consumer still in good shape the moment you've got to wonder how long that can last if the industrial economies experienced severe Slota of course it takes two to have trade war and having listened to most of the conference calls for big industrial companies. I think China is getting hit much harder than we are. The conventional media will not cover this story. I want you to look at three this morning. When the company reported the headlines Look good the stock pop in pre-market trading some eight points at one point what's a cough school suggested though it shed all those gains and then some why I think seems to be experiencing an appalling slowdown in China which had been there savior for so many years I'm used to hearing Ben and Wet then as Wales Been Big drag on the Argentine Turkey? I never thought that China would be the source of such week this yet. It's almost become actually my it's a given listen with three M. C._F._o.. Nicholas Gangsta had to say he matter of factly told US quote for the year are we now expect organic growth in China to be down low to mid single digits versus a prior expectation flat as we continue experience challenging end market conditions particularly in China and automotive industries in quote low to mid single China China China that was the sceviour Merkin industry electronics removed wait. Isn't that what or companies moved their sell it wasn't his coffee right was just talking fried chicken. This feels bizarre here that Brazil Canada and Mexico role much better than China Brazil Mexico. Here's the thing about the slow. If it pressures the Chinese government too big a deal that's great for companies but if China just digs in and takes the pay that's a real problem for the rest of the world. They're paying is not arguing. We see this across the board yesterday. Caterpillar disappointed management maintained for your projections which allows us to bounce back today. One reason I thought can have released Larry though we're value. Is it try it has now become less than ten percent of their book of Business God's in key imagine machinery intercompany then there's the L. Chemical used to recommend the stock in part because of the exposure to China's fast-growing economy the need for plastics in China and while they had some decent items in the P._r.. See that they sold polyester salty you pal C._E._O.. Jim Fairly made it clear that the Chinese economy is and I quote having some big pressuring Gal inquiry fortunately doused U._S.. Business actually offset the Chinese weakness allowing them to make the numbers but the stock got pummeled anyway because not so great forecast in short China's in terrible shape how Ktar we can get this later tonight. I didn't set the show up like this but it sure seems like I did. We're GONNA talk to align technology. That's the Nigger of Islam embraces its stock plummeted seventy four bucks twenty-seven percent now U._S. businesses cool but the real source. We're supposed to wait this tougher consumer environment in China. It fell off a cliff. You your job and tell you that China fell not straighten forever sake. Nothing gets richer faints. You have real grid. He's all similar story about the foreign Chinese consumer when it comes. What's the coolest lines? I wonder how long the Chinese can ignore it. Of course. It's not just the train board. That's got me worried for years. Aerospace has been one of the greatest secular quo themes that our manufacturing but we just heard from Boeing and if the delay from the seven thirty seven Max problem continues they may need stopped production that used to be the number one plane Boeing's making up a huge chunk of American manufacturing capacity. Why should say remaining capacity if that's all production because shave half a percent of gross domestic product that's a tailwind turning into a headwind Edwin and there's nothing in the president where the Fed can do to stop it tests that having today thirteen percent weaker sales conference call was otherworldly given the demand story that you must trace doubt and the five billion dollar word Chessy sitting on you would have been up thirty six bucks not thirty six but I have to wonder how much confidence comes from potential sell sales in China? I don't know if you can still count on all right. Tesla's not afford still car though and the Chinese numbers we got them for this tro. She's these days. You can't come the People's Republic up to buy anything except perhaps coffee. We're starbucks Musuem same store sales this downing six percent well. That's good sense of priorities Chinese. Here's the what was the star of the whole day including after hours no. No this is like being favor. Do this favor like he's looking at his thing. I ask them. Questions Does so David it's Alphabet alphabet which is soaring after hours trading because of a gigantic earnings beat you know what the greatest part alphabet is they. They are not in China many years. We have to hear that not being China hurt them. This time is a charm now we know their pockets of strengths and Liikanen retail spending big-box gifted spending continues unabated although Amazon after big better than spending quarters took breathe tonight because of heavy spending cycle that I told you it's going to kick him when we did our game plan in the most recent mortgage application data shows Klein low single digits house is pretty good but the industrial economy is so weak that Jay pal now has plenty of ammo to justify cutting interest rates and present rolls out new tariffs on Chinese imports and that three hundred billion if oil goes down than one rate cut will not be enough. Here's the bottom line people as I've been saying since this earning season begin. We have two economies in this country. We have the manufacturing economy and the consumer economy for the moment they are very out of step with each other the former doing badly the ladder doing well. This industrial weakness is a serious problem. It will not go away unless the Fed's steps on the accelerator and does so suit only to offset the week this being expert here of course along with their air pollution from China Jeffrey in Washington Jeffrey Boulia Nettle Jim J. W. N.. That's right. It's that thing is doing blow us. I gotta get a new address. What's up? It's Internet sales open a New York Gawk at the end of the year in the dividend over five percent right now but I need to buy the thing and hold onto it look by Chapel Trust owns Kohl's and that is also and you are talking about a complete housing complex pain. I'm GonNa say stay away from that is look at the days of Nordstroms. Greatness may be waning. Maybe get a little pop up to thirty six but that's not what rebel no all right now. WE'RE GONNA go to Kevin California Kevin. I Jim I'm Bonnie. My son on Kevin has a question for you sure Hello Jimbo Yacht taking my small of course we're big fans of you and your show ten years old and I'm from Burbank California and looking for another stuff sure my for portfolio for college. So what do you think of Dunkin donut after deal with <hes> but beyond me I think Dunkin donuts is doing quite well. I happen to like that new C._O.. Very much tells a pretty good story beyond meat deals. It's just a little bit. I had the sausage I tell you this killer. I really really like it not enough to move the needle but for ten year old has got a long time frame long time horizon I think Dunkin donuts will do just fine beyond me a little too hot for me but I understand the those and I bet you one day. Kevin is going to say you know what give me a burger of beyond cheaper. There were certain beyond me hot dogs in front of the exchange. Today I took a passing. Let's go to Amy Michigan any Kramer. Yes thank you so much for helping women to invest yes yes. I am two months new to the market and about ten days ago I picked up snap. It was a tip from the younger generation my <hes> ex millennial boyfriend. I like the concept I like the chart and it filled two of my criteria management. I was impressed that Evans people walked away from a three billion dollar offer from facebook and innovation. I only want to be involved with highly innovative companies. The question for you is should hold it. Will the run continue. What do you think of the stock came? Completely Greasy would absolutely everything you said it was innovation was innovation around on that Com- school is true. I'M GONNA go see Evan Spiegel now. Of course he has invited me so it's probably going to be like media stalker. I've had those so I know how to do it but that was a great quarter. You're absolutely right. I was kind of blown away that the stock didn't go right to twenty as it should and as it will. You're doing real good work. How about our course how smarter they they make me feel such idiot? Wind technology comes up of line visible line. I should've known need it. We would work as finally not working see that by its tail to Khartoum's consumer economy and then faddish economy and instead of Dickens economy and now they are divided. We'll stand. We know what happens. A house divided right Royal Caribbean Puerto Puzzling Quarter for the second consecutive year in a row. What's up with that? I got to see you then Yikes. They make our salon just mentioned plunged on June thirty percent of juries. I got the top thanks going on there and don't vote just yet. I've got the sealed A._D._p.. Up More than twenty percent for the year what is going on stick recruitment and don't miss a second of mad money follow at Jim Cramer on twitter. I have a question tweet Gramer Hashtag mad tweets send Jimmy Mail to mad money at C._N._B._C. dot com or give give us a call at one eight hundred seven four three C._n._B._C. Miss. Something Ed to Mad Money Dutt C._N._B._C. dot com sci fi wires behind the panel is far from just another podcast about comics. It's an audio documentary series where your favorite comic creators give you the full story on how they make their art subscribed to behind the panel now from your favorite podcast provider and we'll see you at the comic shop. The battle for vacation dollars is as intense as the summer some when the whole world is possible destination this cruise company bringing up passengers aboard to keep their stock sailing go to these cruise newsline stocks rulership. You got what I call puzzling quarter from Royal Caribbean second largest player in the space and it's the second puzzle in a row the last time the Cup reported the results came in substantially better than expected but management cut their full year earnings forecasts then this morning for the second consecutive quarter will be the same thing they they posted a nine hundred Marines beat two hundred and forty five cent basis was slightly higher than expected sales up twenty percent year over year net yields with the making of each pasture came in higher than expected. It was a strong quarter. Get once again match would cut the full your earnings forecast bring the mid point of the range down from nineteen seventy five to nine sixty despite the fact that Royal Caribbeans Book Position For the remainder of twenty nine thousand continue to sit and records so what gives wise imagine being so cautious especially given the stock spoon the fifteen percent game for the year. Let's go straight to the source with Richard Fain the Chairman M._C._i.. Royal Caribbean get a better on the quarter and this confusing Mr famous actor Made Money Hi Nice to see thank you for having me back of course Richard. I was a little confused. I mean this is I think pretty fabulous. You weren't doing everything we'll talk about Cuba to say go start talking about the R. Word. You're talking about recession. Of course he could adapt but I thought that you were more downbeat than your business this time and I'm trying to figure out whether I should be more cautious about about Royal Caribbean. <hes> you know we have trouble understanding too because our business is just doing fantastic. Our brands are knocking it out of the park. We raised our guidance. We raised our actual. 's I think somebody needs to take a cruise well. I think you're right. I think they ought to go. They ought to go to the Galapagos. Which I thought was unbelievable? Whatever perfect day these are two brilliant ideas? I want people to know what you're doing because it's very advanced well. <hes> innovation is part of our D._N._A.. And I'm really proud of our people who keep innovating and the results is we every year for the last ten years. We've raised our guest satisfaction. We keep raising our yield expectations. We keep producing better earnings. I'm not sure what the street did today but I think the company is going to keep doing the right thing and it'll pay off well. I know that you were joke. Even in your commentary about how there's a ball bearing manufacturer who's talking about experiential -perience but my wife went on to the Galapagos crews favourite crews ever she added select cruises this to me is the kind of thing that Gen X.. millennials parents grandparents must be taken together because my wife said this Galapagos is the most exciting crews in the world it really is I mean you know. Are we actually got there. Originally my daughter lived in the Galapagos for a couple of years. It's such an amazing place in it changes. Everybody's lives but it's just one of the many kinds of itineraries we offer and people loving well. Let me ask you about the oddest one I know. Many people took a cruise to Cuba and everyone told me you better do it now because something's going to happen. I never thought it was going to happen meaning. I thought it was GONNA be open to everybody. Just wake up one day and learn like June five that June six. She couldn't go well technically yes in point effect. The administration had telegraph that they were considering it. We thought that if they did something with some lead time and unfortunately they didn't they just said on June five th that you can't go there on June six and of course we had to abide by that so that was a big hit but it was a bump in the road. If I gotTa Tale you really wonderful road now you didn't you make good for everybody telling people just were willing to go to other places. It wasn't like anybody seemed very angry. World Caribbean know we took proper care of our guests. I think that's very important to us. The reason that we're doing so well is because we keep wowing our guest we keep exceeding their expectations and when something does go wrong we do our best to mitigate that and here we did the same thing we've repositioned the ships. We've moved people to different. I tend to be compensated them when they had to make some changes in their schedule and so yeah the reaction from our guest was actually in terms of what we did was very positive still disappointing to them into us but at least we did it the best we could well. You've also I think been at the forefront of the of ecology and environment and I want everyone to know that you use you have new ships are Ellen g talk about what you're doing. Single use plastic zero-emission fuels these are obviously important to millennials important gen-x and import deal well and they're important to our people and that's why I think we've been so successful and by the way the whole industry is working hard to do a better job on the environment and very very proud of what the industry's doing. I'm very proud of what our people are doing so adding Ellen Jeez ship the elimination of single use plastics is a real a real challenge but it's it's one that we've undertaken and we're well on the way of also it's not just on the ships. It's sustainable food sourcing sustainable tourism we really you know this is an important time. In Our world's history. We're faced with really a challenge of of epic proportions with climate change and I'm really glad to see so many people taking so many actions to try and move this in the right way. You go contrary to a lot of was doing that. I think that's terrific good example. You say China the respect back to the C._D.'s people would say normally you shouldn't be there right avenues but you are not. You're a pretty bold guy. How's that working well? You know it turns out. It's working beautifully. Remember as you well know. We're very long term business. It's a highly capital capital-intensive business. We need to always think three or four years out and right now the the Chinese economy is suffering but starting really four or five years ago we really ramped up our efforts to get the message out better to get the distribution bution system to understand better how to sell our product and the result is that even though the China's economy is obviously faltering. We're not we're having a record year there. It's it's much better than last year. It continues to improve we brought don't more capacity. We're filling the extra capacity and we're filling all of it at better pricing. That's a pretty good to me or I know rich. I know it's a new show. It's an economic but I do have to point out. I know in light the recent tragic events said O-on of your ships where a toddler fell from a terrible thing. Tell it toddler ships changes emplo to call. What are you trying to do? How do you make sure that doesn't happen so that is just so heartbreaking? It's just an amazing event but I think that we take this very seriously. We have amazing protocols in place. We have a very strong process for doing it and I think we have acted properly and we will continue to do so in terms of what happened there actually <hes> we are working with the prosecutors in in San Juan and they will be completing their investigation. We hope fairly soon so they're we're looking into the parents just because you have to. That's what they must do. In a suspicious death situation. I think the authorities quite rightly investigating everything and our job is to support them but not to comment. Absolutely I understand exactly what you have to do. I WanNa thank you for coming. Show that's Richard Fain Chairman of Royal Caribbean excellent quarter are don't understand stock by sticking graver brought to you by fidelity where decisions are clear and costs are lower than ever learn more about our industry leading value and open an account today at fidelity dot com slash trading fidelity brokerage services l._l._C. member N._y._S._e.. S._I._P._C. Sometimes it can feel like an individual stocks just helped get six months ago. I told you stay away from the line technology viz line incredible seafood braces as much as I love the product that was worried about newfound competition. I thought the stock was too risky. Then I watched with horror as slight shares they caught fire for the mid forties to a peak of three thirty four a couple of months ago. That was what I meant a second mistake. I gave up on my so called. I told you I've been wrong. I Apologize Wow jinks snake bit but maybe we were just early. When a line reports latest results last night the company delivers seemingly strong quarter big Ernie speed paired with a more modest revenue beat however management's guidance for the next quarter was far lower than expected and therefore your commentary was even more discouraging they previously predicted twenty to thirty percent revenue growth this year now say could come in the low end of that target because this is a high flying stock one of the best performers from when the S._p.? Went from two thousand three thousand got obliterated down seventy dollars twenty seven percent. So what do we do with a line. Here is broken stocktake bounce back whereas a booking company. Let's check in with Joe Hogan. He's the presidency of technologies learn more about the border and why he's now fighting for a slowdown the second half Mister Hogan welcome back to bed money hi Jim thanks for having me back. I appreciate all right Joe and I see a stock at clock like this and I haven't executive one. I give you the floor to tell us why the stock might be wrong. I think it is I think to you. The Gym I broadly say this is about China. Remember we had to if you look at the quarter we had terrific growth. We had overall international growth in Europe of thirty nine percent in a pack about thirty four percent overall but China's our second biggest country in world we were expecting about seventy percent growth out of China. We cheat about twenty to thirty percent and that was broadly the missed from an airliner standpoint and a quarter and it's not a competitive issue Jim. It's not an operational issue at all <hes>. It's just basically a consumer backlash right. Now we feel from a standpoint of making decisions on going ahead with the lines. Were not so broadly a China Miss. I'm still optimistic about the market in general and what's in front of us from a growth standpoint. Let me thrown that estee. Lauder has got a gigantic Chinese business. Obviously that involves looking good okay align involves with their Chinese numbers were extraordinarily strong so is there. I know you dismiss the competition but there isn't outfit a competitive south China Angel Line. Are they taking share. You know I talk. I was just over in Asia last week so I was with my sales team there Jim we don't feel that there's any share shift changes between angel and US it continues to be good competition but no movement either way from overall share. We feel worth a higher into the marketplace higher end consumer side in specific areas of China's where we felt this okay now you did say in the call. You kinda showed some leg that July might be a little bit better. I was wondering whether that's U._S.. And China or just U._S.. No it's actually U._S.. And China Jim so as we roll it into July we've seen stronger orders out of China. We've also seen stronger orders out of North America ca to <hes> you know Jim were broadly going into teen season so it's team season in China and team season also in North America and that demographics a little different we think it's less price elective <hes> because these kids are slated or teams are slated needed to have these treatments and the parents want meat that timeframe well. Let's talk about price selected. We went onto the web and take a look at small direct club competitive you know better than anybody and they had some pretty well pricing eighteen hundred five thousand seventy five or eighty five dollars a month and when I read this I started thinking jeeze. Maybe these direct direct to the consumer competitors have tipped tipping point where they are now much more powerful than they used to be gymnast a different part of the marketplace Jason. It's a different model altogether. Remember we're only ten percent penetration in a broader orthodontic market which is broadly teens or whatever we have huge amount of growth there smile club competes into low end. You know they have a viable product line or whatever but it's not it's an an area where we have product and we can compete through our Dr Channel so you know overall Jim. I feel like I feel like we have a good position versus them in our Dr Model in treating patients rather than going direct jab at these dental service organizations the bears on your stock of told me that between say Dan Hurst shine three m they all come in and they get these dental service organizations to compete again. Do you bargain and then you get hurt phone call. You don't think that they're a bad influence on pricing no we don't you know what we do is we don't we don't sell but what I call comprehensive products to <hes> to our partners and we work really closely with them on certain product lines fit in that area and and honestly those dental service organizations I call him force multipliers for us. We have a unique product line and unique package. It's hard to duplicate in that sense and the hygienic chairs where you see a lot of these patients and where we want to be able to use our visualization technology technology Tarot scanners that were up eighty percent and a quarter to be able to show patience. You know how their teeth look. After after the ORTHODONTIC procedure okay so joe up listen to every single one of the things you say and now I come back and I say this all right you got a seven hundred sixty five million dollars of cash and cash equivalents Margaret whiskers. You've got one hundred eighty threes overseas but there's five hundred eighty two million. That's right here you back only one hundred sixty one thousand shares in the last quarter why not take two wondering eighty take half of it and just go into the open market and buy one on which allies doing and to knowing that the Chinese can't possibly stay away from this for too long given the fact that they are fascinated by eh well Jim. You know we positioned well right now. We have four hundred million dollars left on what we're allocated right now mistake by a buyback standpoint. We're certainly take advantage of that so you will be happy you personally Gel. I mean you're you're an aggressive guy but you on your product I know you do is this. The opportunity that someone like Joe Hogan says I know this is an overreaction. I'm in yeah. I think you'll see that. Also you do because you know Jim. I just want to emphasize a few things. Look at this business overall. We grew thirty nine percent in Europe. You know fifty percent in France fifty percent in Spain thirty five in the U._k.. Japan we grew. We grew fifty percent Taiwan. Seventy Brazil were double over one hundred percent. I mean there's a broad based growth story here that I have to do a better job in the company has to do a better job of getting out. It's not necessarily a competitive story. It's an opportunity story force overall and it remains something that the dentists no they need in order to be able to make a good living doesn't absolutely I mean the idea that a dentist aren't straightening teeth. It's some manner is kind of difficult to believe but the dentist and orthodontist can survive together by orthodontist doing the difficult patients and and dentists doing the less severe cases. It's just it's the way I think it works really well you well. I'm so glad you came on this show. You don't show anything to be other executives to say you know what this is a bad day to come out. You know it's a good day to come out. I WANNA thank Joe Hogan Presidency of Technology Sir Great to see you thank you I like the guy says he's buying power hints about it but certainly Bondoc stock and <hes> baby buying stock himself new open market. Maybe this one comes back. I was long last time on jinx. You got to make the decision Biblis back in the brain you oh you're the Utah is putting up some tremendous performance. Even though this is the ultimate slow and steady co work. There's talks have caught fire because they paid big dividends at a time when bond yields a plummeted if you're looking for income doesn't get much better than utilities right now. I gotta take them the tenure you're looking for but we've arrived at a weird place on the one hand. This is exactly kind of group to own if you're worried about at an economic slowdown on the other hand when the Fed starts cutting rates going to breathe new life into the economy and that may cause rotation away from the slow and steady utilities and into cyclicals and we talked about at the top of the show which brings me to American electric power the Midwestern utility totally that owns the largest power distribution network in America with a bunch of power generation asses this one A._p.. Reported Mix quarter weaker than expected revenue with Nice three cents earnings beat over ninety seven seven basis while the stock pullback about a half a percent that it sorta incredibly year get this utility Plainville of nineteen percent for twenty nineteen and it remains my favorite one because of its diversified book business so can A._p.. Maintained it's Mojo. Let's dig deeper with Nick Aching. She's the chairman CEO of power learn more about the quarter and whereas companies headed headed Mr Incas. Welcome back to be with you Jim all right nick. I gotTa tell you this was the quarter that I think really did personify America right now. It seems like the consumers really doing well but when I look at drilled down to your industrial sales growth. It does look like the things are happening. Underneath are quite weak well. I think there's no doubt that the tariff wars that are going on her starting to have an impact from an industrial standpoint and you look at our service territory. It does have an impact but there again yeah. That's not the only catalyst for growth ep so we have to consider that as well. I mean if we put oil and gas back in. We said we get a different picture. I know that caterpillars very were yesterday and they're call about whether oil and gas spend. I'm just GONNA continue to go up. You Talk About Pipelines Ben. You talk about a pretty much. An aggressive part of the economy isn't strong enough to offset what's going on with the tariff related businesses. Oh I think it is <hes> there's no question we did report for this quarter lower lower load <hes> as a result for the quarter but we also said the second half of the year we expect further expansion <hes> in the industry particularly with new facilities and expansions <hes> that make up for a majority any of that loss during the rest of the year so and we know of those expansions coming online so that work continues all process remain reasonable and certainly natural gas infrastructure <hes> continues to get built so <hes> those are true positives for our service territory Tori. I think our our viewers who are not familiar with how much electric used there is from a big factor big say plastics plant need to hear from you when they when American industry bills gigantic I have natural gas liquids well they call them trains but gigantic export facility that uses a lot more energy than say ten thousand homes right. No absolutely there's no question it does and actually you see what's going on in the Gulf area <hes> particularly as it relates to Texas on the Gulf coast where we serve <hes> we had yesterday a large medals manufacturer announced an expansion and a new facility just near Corpus Christi so you're seeing those kinds of things being done near the coast coastal areas but also you're seeing growth in Texas and Oklahoma from a substantial standpoint with these new facilities so they are consuming energy and and we'll be there to serve them definitely indicia about that up. My power went out three times in the last two weeks how much how many just because it was hot 'cause it was rainy. Mine was not atypical. I only mention because I follow it on New Jersey Dot Com. There's a great map that shows all all the allergist how often in power I mean. I don't think they spend enough frankly. I think there's gotta be something like that. You are talking in your quarter every single quarter how much money you spend just a maintain your network how much how how much turn light on it goes on. Do we have an A._p.. Absolutely the industry and certainly A._p.. Is No exception we're in we're in the massive effort to rehabilitate and refurbish the grid <hes> particularly likely to take care of Tom's like <hes> the just last week with <hes> high low deer in high temperature periods and cold temperature periods. We have to make sure the system is prepared for that and certainly as we look at contingencies on the system where we can have outages we have to be able to respond and respond quickly so <hes> that is an effort and actually that's one of the catalysts the major catalyst for growth in the utility industry if you want resiliency reliability and certainly from a cyber and physical standpoint those those kinds of investments have to be made and that's what it's going on around the country at this point in time but a obviously benefits from that because we have the largest system in the U._S.. What are the things he also said? I thought this was the best line I've seen putting music quotes in this this one that I could see maybe you snuck some in but you said we are also moving forward with the clean energy investments that our customers have told us they expect from their energy provider they expect how do you hear it. How how do you know it and what does it mean for your budget? We certainly do deliberative polling of our customers we obviously here from investors as well not only the E._s. g community but but certainly in terms of investors looking for de risking the company going forward so as you look toward the future moving to a clean energy economy isn't it sparked move for any regulated utility particularly as it relates to clean up the environment and of course the emission so that's an opportunity see for us to continue to invest and that's why you're seeing the investments being made particularly in renewables <hes> where we followed additional <hes> notices for the building of new capacity in several areas and we also have have <hes> acquired <hes> wind-powered resources and Sola resources around the country well. Let's do you say last week for regulatory approval you file to acquire no one thousand four hundred eighty five megawatts of new wind energy which provide significant savings Arkansas Louisiana Oklahoma Texas just what is there a time nick when that would actually be a huge burden and be very expensive and it's the prices come down because of the American technology yeah there's no question prices are coming down and also because there is a moderation and that's why I talk about optimization a lot in our business. We don't need as much capacity but if you can put <hes> capital investment to work to reduce energy prices for consumers they wind up being a positive across the board so it winds up being a win win for war not only our customers shareholders as well and renewables obviously provides that benefit. We'll okay as always you've been giving your shareholders have fantastic and turn. That's why we've been sick with you for years and years now Nick WanNa thank you so much for coming on Monday great to see you sir absolutely great Segio okay. That's stick Aitken's chairman presidency over mercantile papper. I know look I try to make it exciting because I want you to be interesting because I want you to own that darn. Stop Monies back. It is time the light of God and the lightning rounds over. Are you ready critic Cress telematics aquarium. How are you need your advice? Is Europe your company moving forward. Should I buy more. Oh you know how to hold for now the white wise in the penalty box because they missed the quarter so badly last time that I just think that you have to the worse if they can get together the subscription businesses. Let's go to betsy in California bet say hey Jimmy <music>. I'm second time caller very long time listener. Thank you so much for everything you taught me how to do. I haven't stocked said actually SORTA proves what you've been saying about auto accept. It doesn't my stuff. Jim is a seventeen point two percent grower with an eleven point one nine p. e. and it's up over seventy five percents this year. It's Lithium L. A. D. Care you know it's party. Consider my daughter lives in near Medford in this is located at Oregon and win more bold as we've done business how great they're doing. You're right. It's a total at lar- they are fantastic company fantastic people. This stock goes higher. Let's go to nick etiquette neck. Jim How are you. I'm good thank you. I called you about four months ago about F._M.. Sisters do some more all mark and I had a small position and after listening to you and doing homework I war and I'm very happy about all of that excellent but the reason why call tonight is another company. I don't think I've heard mention either. <hes> the ability pronounce it out directed alien sly ex we had him on this spring. I have to imagine call. I was hanging out with Carter last weekend. Carter and we were talking about how amazing this company is in as Wipe Down Excel. I WANNA learn how to Alor since software you KINDA. That's ducks done ongoing higher. It reminds me of Kramer Family Bang Da. Let's go to Lamont. He's Tennessee Vermont jail. It is your number one fan in Nashville eleven everything you're doing. You are the big J. C. and that's not Jesus Christ this time but you're still a big guy and <hes> and need to come down to Nashville talk and show you around you can stay at my airbnb. We could get some princess hot chicken and I'll take a blake shelton or Jason Aldean's. We'll just go for my retirement thirteen. I'm heading right to Nashville right now Brian Jordan from the first arrive you guys mind finish faces. Okay I'll pay but the titans to remember the titans member coach what's up member. Hey Mom why east Sharon and I are putting a five G.. Play Tara retirement plan and we KINDA WANNA know a little bit more about marble technology with our chairman of his is is hill made all land in a memory sold the Bell Selanne and I've got to tell you that is the number one team play on her better than Zylicz. I want to challenge comes been buying. It and I wish we were Beihai Scott Florida Scott Hey good evening. Mr Cramer's how are you. I'm well. I'm well. Hey love your resume and your dedication mango one question for you to what's going on with crystal biotech in my first my position you know honestly I had to that. I do not know crystal biotech. I'm like Oh pinal Krystal Burger more. I can find them crystal plow gig. I gotTa do some work on that. Hey Dan on that negative. Nope but what can I do. I gotTa do some work and that would <music> round is sponsored by T._D.. Ameritrade in a wildly how we consistent earning season this big bright spot giving her name right now. I'm calling B. T. F. better than feared when -CCOMPLISH import numbers that are even slightly better than most analysts were afraid of their stocks. Jump like like mad this morning for some Mars Kluber to B._T._f.. Court the stock had been under pressure while she worried that still sell G. might be a bus copies key catch drug up deebo losing share to Murkowski true but today Bristol's numbers came in better than feared up he was not as bad as expected still growing and Elvis huge blood thinners taking share all over the world. Those sales were off the charts and that's why that stock doc ruled five percent today. This was all about B. T. F. to put it another way. I don't know a soul of the myself who believe that Myers when you meet yes there's little beat them and raised forecast yet. That's exactly what they did today this evening. We got a fabulous B.. T. F. from Alva- the parent of Google which after multiple shortfalls just washed it the clouding youtube chronic underperformance totally shine mass B._t._f.. Well I'm glad I got that one for the game plan and I thank you to all the Nice twitter's who say thank you so much for alphabet now. Yesterday we saw the same B._T._f.. Happened from Texas instruments on Tuesday night reported as far as he was concerned. There was no way this chipmaker could possibly be numbers because it's so heavily lever to the industrial economy. The bad part of the economy but Texan is because delivered a B._t._f.. Quarter and the Stock Rally eight points yesterday. Their senior is all B. T. F. sometimes it's a fine line in three and reported this morning. It looked on the surface and the stock jumped eight bucks pre market trading but once it got going Kim clear fears were justified and it's talk came right back down you can never judge B._T._f.. By its cover or the headlights because the headlines Never tell the whole story peps the best bt of course so far came from places Goldman Sachs the prior quarter was disappointing actually lastly timber disappointing frankly and also was worried about a slowdown and trading combined with that said I personally had a bunch of good ones but really wall. She's been worried about a slowdown with these guys. The earnings have become too episodic good fall by not so good fall by terrible bowel by okay and that's why it was one of the cheapest of the big bags on the price juries basis even as the stock doc in run-up substantially over the previous six however when golden reported this time the numbers were better than feared thanks to a much more stable earnings stream recurring so even though it wasn't as good as Jake Bank of Bergen terms about the billy while the stock is caught fire is not done the flipside decided b._t._f.. U. T. E. Uglier than expected. Frankly there haven't been many of these this earning season because of Wall Street or the expected results. There's not necessarily a lot of gradation. I was expecting ugly quarter from the Dow Chemical It was U._T._d.. So the thing today down three percent putting category now other than expected is not the same as plain old disappointment. A disappointment is what happens when Wall Street looking for Sisley good number and instead you get a bad number for example line technology maker Villon we heard from earlier in the show that company even doing well but today reported imperfectly Dalby commentary about the second half giving it the stock was priced for perfection. It got annihilated losing twenty seven percent of its value in one day. That's a big disappointment and I'm not so sure how fast C._E._O.. Hogan can turn things around. Although I was encouraged by that same thing went with pay pal we come to expect consistency here consistently great results than the company cut the sales forecast brutal and that's why I got clobbered five percent. This is not U._T.. This is just D. as in disappointing with the economy slowing with the industrials doing poor you need to add B._T._f.. In U._T. to your lexicon if you want to understand why stocks behave the way they do in this environment yes we're here so you got to judge the action relative to that fear otherwise it makes no sense and I can tell you what I've been. It's GonNa drive you nuts stick lucrative alphabet for ages. I always get it together. They could do rate in the cloud to great new tube and what you would see is an explosion of earnings and hadn't been able to do it but this quarter it did and you're not an explosion of the stock because of that combination the cloud this through quite well like I said it's always we'll market summer. 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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 12/31/18

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 12/31/18

"This podcast is brought to you by TD Ameritrade when it comes to investing education, one size doesn't fit all TD Ameritrade helps you learn. Whether you're just starting out or an elite trader choose from articles, videos, webcast and more. Visit TD Ameritrade dot com slash education, member SIPC. Mission is simple to make you money. I'm here to level the playing field, all investors. There's always more work in summer. And I promised help you find it may have money starts now. Kramer, well, money, welcome. You Kramer, are the people to make friends. I'm just trying to save some money. My job said just entertain you. But did you get into so call me one eight hundred seven three CBC or tweet me at Jim Cramer every night. I come out here for two big reasons. The first is obviously I liked the attention. But the second and more important reasons that want to help you build and preserve your wealth. We live in a world where it's increasingly difficult to become rich. If you weren't born that way and love it or hate it. I believe that the stock market is the best ladder. We have in this country for social mobility through our millions upon millions of people in this country. But there simply aren't that many jobs that pay you a salary fat enough taxi? Make you rich even if you're total chief skate and save nearly every single penny. You were the truth is if you want to become really wealthy in this country, unless you're a silver spoon in your mouth. That means planning your financial strategy for an entire lifetime. Even if you don't have a super high paying job as long as you can save decent chunk of your paycheck. And then invest it wisely year fear, you can make your wealth grow to the point where you become if not filthy rich, then at least the very least financially independent. Meaning you don't need to worry about your job security, or where your next paycheck is going to come from. And you'll be able to retire easily without the need to rely on social security, which for all we know might not even be around when some of our younger viewers hit retirement age. That's why tonight. Tonight at want to help you figure out the best way to manage your money. In order to help achieve real financial independence house of pleasure. But in order to do that, we need to talk about the concept of generational vesting because the kinds of strategies that makes sense when you're young and in your twenty s are very different from the sort of things you should be doing when you're middle age where senior citizen for that matter. We don't talk enough about that on may money tonight's different. But there's one constant when it comes to managing your finances. No matter how old you are. And that's the fact that you will never get a better opportunity to make your money where you then by investing in the stock market, even when we're in a bear market. When the action is treacherous involved when it feels like stocks, go down every single day when you take a long-term view. It's easy to see. The stock market is by far the most effective method of wealth creation out there. Sure might go down for weeks for months running do that for years, it might crash like it doesn't pawn Cajun. But if you take the long view, the very long view stocks ten. Stocks tend to go higher, and I don't say that at some sort of pollyanna when I got started in the business early nineteen hundred s the Dow Jones industrial average was trading in the eight hundred. And despite multiple bear markets between then. And now the Dow currently stands what you might call well above that, Mark, right? That represents a pretty fantastic amount of wealth creation. And that's why I'm so automated, no matter how old you are. No matter how wealthy you are you really should have some of your money socked away in this in the stock market. And for those of you were concerned that the market's rigged that it's dangerous that it's simply to win reliable or unsafe a place to trust your savings. Can I give you some perspective right now? If you go all the way back to nineteen twenty eight that's right before the great stock market crash that preceded the great depression really end of twenty four team the average annual return for the S and P five hundred including dividends is about ten percent. Show me an asset class with a better average return. You can't do it. Stocks aren't just the best game in town. They're the only game in town. If your goals to grow your well now for some of you want to get rich quick rather than Gingrich carefully. See what it did there that ten percent average annual return for the owner? I know may not see my such an impressive number somebody probably symbol. Thanks for nothing. Wait a second. You're wrong. You're just wrong. Forget the fact that it's more than double which can even get expect from a thirty year treasury or stiff deposited. I mean, they earn the next enough. Let's examine that ten percent. Figure nap salute terms when you're taking a long-term view, which is what we're doing tonight meaning planning for your entire lifetime. Racking up ten percent return from a simple inexpensive S and P five hundred index fund, which you know, I prefer starts to seem pretty darn impressive. Sure. The market is going to have it's up yours in. It's Dan years. But over a long enough timeframe that ten percent figure including. Evidence is held pretty steady. But to really understand the value of an asset class that tends to give you a ten percent return, the average here you need to view this number through the lens of what's known as compound interest. Sometimes I'll talk about this as the magic of compounding think of it like this. If you invest one hundred dollars, and yes and be five hundred and it gains ten percent in the first year. Then you've got one hundred ten dollars after another year of ten percent gains. You've got one hundred twenty one dollars a third year of the same gives you one hundred thirty three dollars the canes keep getting larger and larger because each year, you're making a digital money off the previous year's profits. Eventually with ten percent. Average return you'll double your money in roughly seven years now for those of you who are really young right out of college waiting seven years w money. I seems like turn and listen, I've got more risky ways of growing your capital faster. Stay tune. However, the truth is that is you get older and investment they can pretty consistently. Take your money up in seven years time in doublet what tell ya. It just becomes pretty incredible. That's in the magic of compounding works. Best the younger, you are. Because that means you have more time for your money you grow yet. Sadly, young people are the least likely to be impressed by that kind of steady capital preciado. That's why claimed a communist George Bernard Shaw famous. It said that youth is wasted on the young k wasn't consequent writer though. So let me do my best to make east numbers. Sound more? Impressive to walk you through it suppose, you're twenty two years old. And you're just entering the workforce. You've got more than forty years before you're expected to retire. So let's say you invest ten thousand dollars in s and p five hundred index fund right now, and let's also suppose that the next forty years, aren't you different from the last forty years net case if the average is termed from the five hundred hold steady at around ten percent, then in four decades, your ten thousand dollars investment were will turn out to be worth more than. Then. Hundred and fifty thousand dollars that's up to symbolical children through college. Grad school by nice house. Most parts of the country pay for you chunk of a pretty ritzy retirement and that monster Motiur game. It didn't require any kind of stock picking. It doesn't require you to trade or time the market or even do any sort of research into individual companies, which I know is hard for most of you. You just need to invest your money in a low cost estimate hundred index fund or ETF commissions there. And then you wait granted you're waiting forty years, but four hundred eighty thousand dollars when you're pushing the age many people tire, it seems a lot more valuable than the initial ten thousand dollars investment you made when you were young and had your entire work. Life ahead of you to make money the regular way. So please, I'm begging you think of it like this a little money saved impassively invested in the stock market is the easiest way possible when you're young to turn can turn into a massive fortune when you're old and all sorts of additional costs responsibilities, and all you have to do if you initially save that money is let it sit on the sidelines. Ideally in a 4._0._1._K planner IRA, so that you don't. Have to pay capital gains or dividend taxes on your gates, the same logic applies if you're thirty or forty or even fifty but you get a lot more bang for your buck. If you start younger, which brings me to the bottom line, even if you don't have time to do homework. The stock market is still the best tool out there for growing your wealth. And thanks to the magic of compounding. The earlier in your life you start investing in the market, the bigger, your long term, capital kings can be and of course, it's just. Not just capital gains dividends. Everything gets reinvested. Let's go to Brenton in New Mexico. Bring Jim Cramer big Boulia from the land of enchantment. How are you, sir? I'm good. How about you? I'm doing fine. Thank you. Hey, Geno, question mutual funds index funds claim minimizing single stock risk of but inherently those fair to say that mutual funds index funds have other risks that you would avoid with a single stock portfolio so lonely, and I think that that's why I always suggest that there'd be two portfolios. There should be that capital preservation and somewhat appreciation fund that is going to be we put that aside for tyrant and that should be in a diversify fund. Preferred to be an index fund and the rest should be mad money. A sliver of it though. Man money we pick into. Stocks. That's why we call the show man money. I don't want the bulk of your portfolio in individual stocks. There's too much single stock risk. But I want you to be able to pick stocks. And I know you want to do it or you wouldn't be watching the show brought Brian in Oklahoma Brian forever. When I come investor, how do you? How do you value a company, Jill one company versus another measure their value? Well, we spent a lot of time and get rich carefully talking about that. And what you really trying to do is measure the future earnings stream. And if you can measure the future and extreme you can figure out what you'll pay fed or extreme now. And what really matters is that if you take a longer term view, you can get a feel for what that stock might be able to give you forgive ins and capital gains dividends tend to be for capital, preservation. And then the capital gains is cap is for the appreciation stream. I want you to have a little bit of both. But you've got to be thinking about what a company can in the future. That's what. Date. Stop this show is about helping you build and preserve your wealth. 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Tonight, we're talking generational investing mini, how to handle your finances, depending on whether you're older young or somewhere in between as much as many of us might not want to admit it the rules in this game can be totally different. Depending on what age you are. Nobody would suggest that a retiree poor all of his or her money into high risk speculative stocks that could either have enormous upside potential or go all the way to zero and absolately wreck your portfolio. Just because some of this may sound straightforward doesn't necessarily mean that it's obvious or standard. Which is why I'm taking the time to go over the really important differences, depending on where you are in your life cycle. Now, I always tell you you need to have to discreet piles of cash, your retirement portfolio, which is more conservative and should be invested through tax favored vehicles like four one K IRA, and then you're discretionary mad money portfolio, hence with an income from where you can start taking a few more risk of your money. Once you've already topped out your retirement fund. No matter how old you are retirement objectives must always come first. I love the play with the discretionary may have money side of things. That's why this show's about. But the truth is that a bettering your retirement is a bet on your own longevity. You wanna live for a long time, and you shouldn't have to work your fingers to the boat that means planning for retirement from the moment, you get your first paycheck regular viewers here. No rules. No matter who you are the first ten thousand dollars you invest in the mortgage. She goes straight. Into a low cost index fund or ATF that mirrors the S and P five hundred index funds fabulous way to get exposure to the stock market's gains without putting in the kind of time or effort that's necessary that like what we do around here picking individual stocks. And hey, if you don't have the time inclination, pick individual stocks, then all of your stock book exposure can come via the index fund that Miers yesterday twelve hundred I'm fine with that. There's no reason this he's been credibly complicated. But like I mentioned earlier tonight. It's very important that you actually get yourself some exposure to the market because no other asset class can grow your wealth. The way equities do once you save more than ten thousand dollars. That means you have enough money to start a diversified portfolio of five stocks. Remember, anything less than five stocks and five this thing sectors. You aren't really diversified? You take that money and you invest in individual companies for your time portfolio. It's only once you save the large enough amount of money for retirement. Once you've maxed out on all the benefits of your IRA 4._0._1._K plan. If you have one that we start talking about that. Question portfolio where you can afford to take more risks. I really want to make this point. Because a lot of people feel that all I want you to be as an individual stocks. That's just wrong. Index funds and then individual stocks now when you're younger, your retirement portfolio, and discretionary portfolio might not look all that different younger. Investors can afford to take all sorts of risks with their money that we guy simply can't that's true for a host of reasons when you're still in your twenties or even your thirties. If you invest in something risky, and it crushes your portfolio. Well, you cut your still got a lot of time to make the money back. You've lost your whole working life. Basically, you got the whole rest ears and years and years of paychecks. However, if you're pushing approaching retirement, and you lose a fortune the stock market that's a real problem, and you're going to have very little time to fix it. Which brings me to my first rule of generational investing, not only can younger people Ford to take risks with their money that older folks can't. But for those of you who are in the younger demographic, it's imperative that you take those risks nation go crazy and speculate with all of your your savings their retirement portfolios absolutely off limits, but you should absolutely devote some part of your discretionary mad money portfolio to Betty on these high risk Wong shots. I know him out there saying stuff, but I believe in this. I'm talking about smaller less well-known companies with massive upside potential Cup with enormous downside risk if things go wrong member. This is for the younger part younger co worker, the classic examples here the development stage biotech stocks which can fly through the roof is to get a big drug approval or even. Just a piece of positive data on a drug that years away from hitting the market. Of course, by the same token, these smaller biotechs, they will get slammed. There's any negative news and their stocks can be very difficult to own more negative markets because they don't have any kind of dividend protection or even earnings protection. However, we're talking about long term investing here. Looking for good opportunities that can work regardless of whether we're in a bull or a bear market. And they're plenty of speculative companies that have nothing to do with the drug business. Why do I insist that younger investors speculate take risks that might scare older people because the gains? Here's can be absolutely stunning. And it will be downright forced to pass up the opportunity to own the winters infant means pick. You some losers along the way when you're in. You're twenties and thirties, you should be investing like a young person can old man that means taking at least a few kinds of Rhys. Let me give you an example that sheds light on the situation. When man money initially came on the air way back in two thousand five are very I see you interview was with Dr Lynch lifer. From what was then a tiny biotech company? Few had heard of it was called regeneration. It's trading around five dollars share at the time. General was about dick that have been kicking around for seventeen years seventeen years without ever really developing anything noteworthy that could move the needle since then though this companies become a powerhouse with the stock. Take you off into the stratosphere based on the surprising strength of club Leah. It's blockbuster macular degeneration formula and continuing to roared number of other breakthrough therapies that regenerates pipeline generated fast forward ten years this summer twenty fifteen Emmer general in stock had traded all the way up to five hundred ninety two. Dollars before getting slammed by market, white self. But for the sake of using round numbers in this example. Let's just call it five hundred bucks ten years ago. Could've bought regeneration speculation five bucks. Okay. What were the what would happen that five hundred bucks for buying it five? How about this? A gain of roughly nine thousand nine hundred percent, not a double not a triple not a quadruple. No regenerates at ten Bagger. But you never could have gotten in on that gigantic gain. If you hadn't taken a little risk in two thousand five and bought a company with no profits. No products in the market and only the promises of the CEO that things will work out. Of course, general worked out in a major way, but many similar small-cap techs have done nothing or lost your enormous sums over a period of time or longer periods kicking around. You won't always be able to identify who's the winners in this kind of space. But that's okay. As long as you cast a wide net speculate using a basket if you take an small. Missions intended. These little specula- biotechs. Let's say none of them going zero as long as the tenth one was regeneration. You still would have made a monster gate. This should only be one small part of your diversified may have money portfolio. But absolutely belongs there because the risk reward of trying to find these Beckett of winners absolutely makes sense when you're young for older investors those speculations much risky game. And I only recommend play it with excess cash that you absolutely can afford to lose. Here's the bottom line. Remember to speculate while you're still young enough to be able to take the hit if something goes wrong as long as you're discipline. And only makes a small part of your discretion in portfolio, not your time for foil, then it's absolutely worth hunting for the next Jeter on without hesitation. But for mad ahead. I've got the answer to the question top of investors mind stocks bonds, he as all wisdom you've heard his. And I'm about to rewrite script plus the game plan you need to fall when the bear more. And it's the most important piece of advice about financial help like every give you then you will have to take action tomorrow. Don't miss this stick with Kramer. It's time to address a major issue that I have I don't spend enough time discussing hero have money. I'm talking about the question of stocks versus bonds. Now, there's good reason why you don't hear me recommending that you invest in bonds, very often. And it's not just because this show is about stocks. The fact is ever since the great recession interest rates have been held down to incredibly low levels and therefore bond yields like the return gift from owning say US treasuries. I've been absolutely poultry both by Stoorikhel standards and versus what you can get from safe dividend paying stocks in general for the last few years, even when the stock market has been getting absolutely past. Bond. Simply haven't represented very good values versus equities. That's why I've so often castigated you about the idea that excessive prudence can be the most requis strategy of all because if you invest too much of your money in safe virtually risk for US treasury bonds, you face been ensuring that you'll get a very low return on your investment for many years to come all in all if you want to grow your capital. And after all, that's what's investing is supposed to be about than like, I've said before stocks are still really the only game in town. Even after what can I say so many years? However, I don't want to make it sound like, I'm poo pooing bonds altogether. There's absolutely a place for bonds in your portfolio essential place, especially as you get older. Here's the crux of the issue. Even though I believe that stocks are the best way for you to grow your capital over the long term even in moments. When US treasury yields artists directly levels. At the end the day stock investing bond vesting or about two entirely different things. Stocks are the to use for capital appreciation meeting, turn your money into more money, but bonds are all about capital preservation, they protect your money and give you a nice and steady albeit small return that still big enough to offset the impact of inflation for the most part you invest in stocks. So that you can risked your wealth. You have to generate even greater wealth. Okay. That's what it is you invest in bonds to protect whatever part of your wealth. You simply can't afford to lose their it is which brings me to the generational investing aspect of this question. Depending on how old you are. There's a huge difference in how you should approach the very idea of putting your money into bonds when you're young investing is all about taking Bristol. You can get better returns. I've already explained how people in the twenties and thirties can get away with that attitude because you cut the rest of your working life to make bake back any potential losses. But as you get older, you'll have more and more wealth that he simply can't. Afford to lose it, especially in your retirement accounts. Now Bonsor staple of saving for retirement because US treasuries of the closest thing to risk free investment out there. But most financial experts will tell you that you need to own a lot more Bond's a lot earlier in your lifetime that I think is truly necessary you'll never get rich moaning treasuries, though, if you invest in thirty or US treasuries are governments longest data bonds with the highest yields their lower turn simply don't produce much in the way of capital preciado. Let's say simply for the sake of this example, that thirty year treasury bonds, let's say they're yielding three point five percent relatively low level first oracle standards that is much higher than the two point five to three point two five percent range. We saw in the first nine months to twenty fifteen with that three point five percent yield as long as you reinvest your coupon payments back in treasury, your might double your money in twenty years member the average historical return for the S and P five hundred the benchmark for US stocks is ten percent annually, which will let you double your money in a little more than seven years. So if you're under the age of thirty five. You own a bunch of bonds with the idea that the slowly but steadily make money. See I think you're being way too cautious. I know puts me out there. But you know, what I've been around. That's how I feel even in your 4._0._1._K, your IRA, you want to be very heavily weighted towards stocks while you're young particularly because these tax advantaged retirement fuels while you to avoid paying capital gains taxes dividend taxes lawyer compound tax for year to year fear. I told you how great compound the is. But as you get older owning treasuries, especially retirement fund becomes absolutely essential. Because unlike the stock market where you can lose enormous amounts of money in the blink of an eye bonds really are sick. Once you've used the stock market to make yourself financially independent you do wanna funnel more of your money into US treasuries. We're, you know, your investment won't somehow vanish overnight. I do you do that by putting your cash in a cheap bond fund that Miers the you'd you get from long-term churches, so let's get down to brass tacks. Precisely how much of your time portfolios to keep him bonds versus stocks again that depends on how. Old. You are going to give you my rule of thumb though. I don't think your retirement fund should have anybody exposure whatsoever until you turn thirty. If you own bonds at the age of twenty five you're wasting your. Youth. It's better put your capital to work in the stock market working actually grow in your thirties. I'm gonna let you keep ten percent of your time and funding bonds or twenty percent if you're on the conservative side. Once you're in your forties. I think you can go up to twenty or thirty percent bonds in your fifties. I say thirty to forty percent and in your sixties as you approach retirement age. All right. Take it up to forty to fifty percent. That's right. Forty fifty percent bonds. Now, even if you're retired. Oh, you know, what I still think you should keep his substantial chunk of your portfolio in the stock market. Post retirement, my recommendation is that you increase your bond exposure to sixty to seventy percent because once you stop working you really can't afford to take bidding losses with your investments. Especially since you're going to need to start spending the money in your retirement accounts. Excuse me. But that said, I still think keeping roughly a third of your money in stocks makes sense even for retiree. That's because you're going to be living off your investment for the rest of your life. So some part of your portfolio should always be trying to create more wealth in case you live longer than you expect and even more money your support yourself. In other words, going all in on bonds. Once you've retired is a bet against your own long jetty who the heck wants to take that kind of bed. Here's the bottom line for younger investors, putting your money in bonds is a fool's game. But as you get older, you should gradually increase your time and funds bonds exposure to the point where forty fifty percent of your money is in US treasuries by the time, you're in your sixties because that part of your wealth will then be protected against the volatility of the stock market. But even if you retire, you should keep owning some stocks. So that some piece of your capital continue to appreciate over the long term best case, you live a very long time and that extra money. It comes in handy. Let's take. Questions about Naseer in Pennsylvania Naseer. James? How are you? Good a big fan of the show. Thanks for taking my call. Of course. I love your book, get fully. Thank you. Looking for advice today on how to determine an entry price for a stock, especially if I'm looking for position, given how important cost basis averaging is all right? I think this is great question. And the reason why it's a great question is that a lot of people feel like they want to draw a line in the sand. They wanna make what I call statement by or they just want to be in a position where they kind of got rid of it. They bought it. And they put it away. That's why I say take into account human frailty, the most I ever liked to buy one point is half of my position. I prefer to buy a quarter if the stock goes higher what what a terrible high quality problem if it goes lower, you got room to buy I like to buy in stages in all my books that talk about stage by because I don't want to be overconfident. Don't you be overconfident? Do it in stages Brian in New York, Brian? Him. How are you? I'm fine. How are you doing? I have a 4._0._1._K plan from a previous employer trying to decide whether to put it in an annuity account managed by an insurance company, or if I just put it in a traditional IRA wants you to run it yourself. I mean, you watch this show. I think you can do it yourself the annuities have fees. Now, look, I'm not against anything that makes it so that people can build wealth. But my experience has been that a lot of annuities have fees the things up. Maybe there's someone that don't, but I believe in self directed investing. When it comes for that. And if you have to put it in next fun if you don't have time, but I do like to take control of my investments and IRA let's listen investing in stocks. Investing in bonds are two very different things as you get older. You congratulate added exposure to bonds, but gung investors, it just don't belong in bonds still much more man buddy clean the playbook for what a bear market takes a plate of your money. Plus, I'm not kidding around about this. If you want to ensure strong retirement going. To went to listen to my advice and take action tomorrow morning. Don't miss it. And I mentioned the questions you've been sending me on Twitter. So why don't you stay with Kramer? Tonight, rather than focusing on the day-to-day vicissitudes in the stock market. I wanna help you take a longer view out how you can invest for a lifetime that means taking much longer time rise. And then we usually discuss them money when I say water, I'm talking about taking twenty thirty forty or even fifty year view. Of course, there's this thing as the stock you can just buy and hold for the next decade or two doesn't work like that. I wish it were that easy. It's not regular viewers know my mantra, it's by and homework, not by whole, which means that no matter how confident you are in a company you need to keep checking up on it and regular basis. Nothing's going wrong with the story. However, just because you can't pick a few stocks, and nor them for the next couple of decades that doesn't mean it's impossible take a truly long-term view simply need to zoom out a pit. And when you start examining stocks over multi decade time, horizon, one thing becomes readily apparent if you know what you're doing a bear market. Can simply be a different kind of opportunity. That's right. When stocks are getting slammed when they're getting hit everywhere. You look when it seems like the losses will be endless when the shares of individual comes came even significant rallies in the face of incredibly, positive news definition of a bear market. Frankly, you have to recognize the you could be getting a terrific opportunity to pick up some high quality stocks for the long run into the weakness. Now understand I'm not giving license to buy stocks indiscriminately into any kind of. But what I am saying is that when you're faced with a bear market. Meaning when the average you're down by more than ten percent, let's use that as as the parlance in the show from their highs. And they seem like they could go even lower than probably makes more sense to start buying those stocks rather than selling them as long as you willing to take some short term pain for long-term gain. Of course, whenever you buy during a bear market needs to be very careful that means you never by position all at once. That's pure areas. You know, I say that all the time. And you just ask yourself to look like a moron. If that's dot keeps going. Lower instead, gradually leg into your favorite. Stocks buying small chunks your position incrementally on the way down you military, please in a bear market. You probably wouldn't use even wider scales. Meeting after you make a purchase you gotta wait for that stock to go down pretty meaningfully and substantially before you buy more over the very long term. You'll probably find that you've taken advantage of a terrific opportunity. Most people were too afraid to pass on. But I need you to think longer term something we didn't do it the beginning the show, but we're way past that. Now, aren't we you don't believe me? Just look at this chart of the S and P five hundred over the ten year starting in the fall two thousand five look at those hideous declined during the financial crisis in two thousand two thousand nine if you use that we just very gradually build a position in a cheap S and P five hundred mutual fund on the way down then within a couple of years you made a killing or how about that nasty bear of two thousand eleven we step back from those losses even more rapidly. By the way, this is why Warren Buffett always seems so sanguine when the market getting crushed. He is incredible. Longtime horizon and enough money that he can afford to take virtually any level short short-term pain in order to get his hands on some long-term gates. Don't get me wrong. If you have a shorter time horizon, for example, if your hedge fund manager absolutely needs to be up for the year or for the day for that matter because investors will flee your business, then you cannot afford to put bear market is a long-term buying opportunity. If a head from managers keeps buying gradually into week this difficult varmint you'll lose enough money short enough period of time that the fund will likely go undergo ring confessions of St. act with things tough for me, although we ever pull out of the tailspin, but the vast majority of you are not running hedge funds. You don't need to make money every day or even every every month or year. What you need is a long term strategy. Let you rake in massive multi year gains over the rest of your lifetime. So that you have enough money to retire comfortably send your kids to college. And that means you don't need to be so concerned with short-term performance. Can this is not an excuse to hang onto loser. Stocks of loser companies simply because you hope that one day eventually they'll turn around my point is that the. Ugliest was vicious markets that send everything down the good with the bad. They will always create opportunities for smart investors. As long as your patient enough to take advantage of them, slowly because if you pants too quickly, you wind up by way, too close to the top the other caveat, if you're not simply playing with an S and P five hundred index fund, then you have to be careful about what stocks you pick during a bear market. Do the homework. Make sure you own the stocks of companies that are actually doing well good balance sheets, or at least the companies that are doing. Okay, but could you better stronger environment during a bear market? You must absolutely not buy the stocks that are right in the blast radius of whatever's causing the client think the banks two thousand eight thousand oil natural gas resource plays that led the started going down and literally in the fall of twenty fourteen. You don't wanna own the companies that are causing the weakness instead, you should search for collateral damage stocks that are going down similar is everything is being taken by the S and P five hundred futures and the entire sectors. And if you own anything in the blast on. Please don't hesitate to sell sell sell and swap into something. That's safer. Oh, one more very important point. If you wanna take advantage of a monster declined to do some buying you absolutely need to have some cash on the sidelines in order to make your move. Otherwise, just shuffling money between different stocks all what you're going lower. That's why I'm so out of it that you always have some cashier portfolio and the better the market's doing the bigger cap your cash position should be. That's right. The better the bigger that way when things never go wrong. You'll be able to use the weakness to buy the stocks of companies you like it bargain basement prices. So here's the bottom line when you produce the stock market with the truly long term time horizon, you have to remember the big bear market declines can actually turn out to be excellent buying as we've seen since we started the show as always you only purchase high quality merchandise in small increments on the way down spit with freemen. All night. I've been telling you about the best way to approach investing from a long life wall, generational perspective. How to manage your money when you're young when you're middle age. Hey, when you haven't you heard sixty is the new fifty and even when she retired, but there's another aspect generally investing that really got stress your, and that's a need to get your kids. Interested managing their own money, more generally and learning about the stock market particular. I say this to parents with children vol- ages while I love the public school system. You simply cannot rely on the public schools or even these Ritchie private schools for that matter. The teacher kids about money. Okay. They can do a bang-up job with English history. Biology chemistry physics calculus, whatever you want your kids to become fluent a foreign language. The typical is school can teach you French-Spanish more these fancy ones that the Chinese. However, if you want your children to become fluent in the language of finance, you're going to do it yourself. I get the sense of personal fans viewed as being too simple to quotidian so to speak for most educators, even bother with like beneath them, your typical high school health class will help kids. Learn how to put a economy banana, but nobody's going to explain why it's dangerous to maintain an outstanding balance in their future credit card bills and believe me, you can't wait until after your kids go to college. The teach him to stuff because it most institutions of higher education students get bombarded with credit card offers that can seem irs's irresistible. If they don't know any better, I took down five of them throwing thousands of dollars credit card debt on top of the student loans, and they could be in the whole for decades. Which in many cases, means you the parents will need to pale them out. We don't want that yet praising financially responsible children isn't just about being good. Parents. It's about not getting hit up for cash every month. Even when your kids are well into their thirties. That's why if you want your children learn about money, and what parent doesn't want financial responsible children. Then at this point. Any do it yourself? That means you need more boring conversations about the dangers of higher interest rate debt, what the kind anyone can easily rack up on a credit card and the need to save money coupled with the power of compound interest for generating wealth like we talked about earlier, but in my view the best way to make all this dole personal finance medicine. Go down is with the spoonful of stock picking sugar. In other words, starting at a fairly early age. I recommend giving your children give some stock in high quality companies that resonate with young people might classic example. I've been using since the show starters Disney give them a couple of shares year for the holiday starting when they're old enough depreciate, the big movie fan frozen Star Wars whatever and because is so much going for so many blockbuster films planned up over many many years in the future. Not to mention a terrific theme park visits and Saul tellers and properties by the time. Your kids are teenagers. I think Disney odors will show nice game. There's no better way to. Strate the power saving money and investing in stocks that having your children actually make money in the stock market themselves and follow it along. And look as much like dizzy, you don't have to go with that Mickey mass it could be quality company resonate with somebody who still in elementary school. Here's the bottom line. The point of getting your kids interested in stocks early is simply that you need to teach him a better way to think about money rather than doing cash is something to be spending. You want your children to learn that money is something that can be saved and invested gate still more money at the earliest possible age, and if you don't want to do this for your children do for yourself because kids who can manage their own finances are kids who won't be begging you for move off, even if you've gone into retired stick with Craig. Okay. Kramer. It's time for me to check out the Twitter sphere. And take a look at some of the tweets you sent Jim Cramer. Let's catch up with our viewers at home and see what's trending in their portfolios. First up. We have at fridge ninety three who says action, Kramer, you talking your book about research for new investor. What are few piece of information, we should look for when stock picking the first thing is I want you to know the product I want, you know, what it does and want you to like it. The reason why is because a lot of time stocks go down if you're buying and if you like the product, you'll be more inclined not to panic and get out then it to that you can read and get rich carefully. Do comparisons takes athlete how to rate a stock. But you can do it on a number basis and just figure out where should stand versus others. But you've got to like the company I or I promise you in the first big sell-off, you'll become a seller, not abide. I don't want that. Okay. The next question is from Patrick it's a suit Tara at Pat suit, Tara at Jim Cramer, Jim for retirement is best dollar cost average index funds or wait and by market downturn slash mad tweets. This is really important. Here's the way. I do it. Okay. I try to do it at one twelve month if I can okay each month to win twelve but if there's a big break in the stock market. I excel rate some that I would do later near and put them to work in that break even up to a third of it. So I like to take advantage of declines. And excel or what I put in and done that for years and years, and it's really worked from me. Otherwise by by one twelve next up is Larry bloom in at Kim Kramer this morning. My wife said what would they do without Kramer? It's my wife said the same thing. Now, look. Look, I'm a teacher got some books. I've tried to commander every night. But it's really important for people to know is what you need to do. What would you do with that yourself? This is about empowering you it's not about giving you ideas, it's about how to look at them. A lot of people look at the show who haven't watched it over the evolution and say all he does. He's tells you trade it out of this or that I hope that you know, that it's the opposite longer term. Investing is the way to make money index funds, and then mad money and doing homework and trying to figure out how to do it yourself last is Jeffrey hope Jim Cramer, Jim would you mind sharing your Sunday stock routine, please? All right. I have I get this thing from the essence from standard and Poor's. It's pushed me Email. It's it's it's hundreds and hundreds of charts. I go over each one. I do I have a file as good bad question. Mark. Try figure out why that went up and then store. The idea for show, and I write down each one, and where they are and where they fit and then when I'm done I tend to peace for real money. A long piece that's the paid side of the street where I look at what trends, I see. And then for the rest of the week. I send my staff, which stocks, I don't understand. And why and some theories about why we should be doing certain pieces, and it takes up almost all Sunday except for when the eagles play. Great. I like to say there's always someone I promised to find a just for you right here on mad money. I'm Jim Cramer. And I'll see next time.

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QUEEN Loretta Devine Drops A Word On Fame And Family

"Good Morning Good morning tired appeared in the morning in the morning. I will be honest. I stayed up late writing <hes> our necks cover story about like bows out but I'm above a certain age and as much as I used to live to pull all nighters bank feeling it. It's not cute anymore I telling you I feel like I'm walking improved but like not getting any sleeping to my knees today. Nobody Chesney with the car now after Dr Not on highway. My family will be like who's driving new nope. Even if it's a caravan. They'll be like who's driving for Charlie like it's bad. They won't let you drive eighty ray. I Am Charlie Pad. I am Corey Murray. Yes girl who's our guest this week child the One and only Loretta Devine. I cannot believe we got Loretta Devine Straight Amazing Queen Mother Queen every eight. I realize walking away. I've thought about it. She doesn't really give a lot of interviews. No I thought really special. She has receipts for days. I love that we got to tell her what receipts me Yes athlet. She's going to take that with I think she is. I think the next time she talked someone like my received. You forgot one of my because she was really like she was like <hes>. Tell me more call whole Emmy Award yes yes. It's so many oscar-nominated Films Oscar winning film excuse me because she corrected us because she said et that she has been an Oscar nominated film crash but the beauty of that moment was that at the time crash was I believe the seventy fifth film to be one of the best pictures because you know at the time the Oscars the only been around for seventy five years and she is in one of those films when you kind of looked at your directory of cinema yeah she was amazing doing this for a long time along dreamgirls Hallo starting debut and now she is in a series call family reunion which Jillian labs right million lows. I was GonNa say put on actually I kind of knew about fenris before but Jillian I came home. One day and Julia was like mom we have a new show to watch. We have a new show to watch ch and she pulled it up and we sat there and watched <hes> which is the beauty of of these types of shows. We watch like maybe five back to back. SHEERA watched all ten. She went to watch them again yeah but it's <hes> Loretta devised stars asthma dear tear. Mary Hardwick Hardwick sonnet. <hes> three lovely rising actors are playing her kids and she has a wonderful husband play by anthony a lobby who actually know from Ravens home so I'm getting all of my stars from it's all connected. I just know everybody loving family reunion. Yes people will not talking about it. I'm glad that we were able to have her. Come on the show and talk about it and we asked her about black family moments. Yes we did now Charles Pam yes green green. You tell me what has been some of your favorite cookout family dinner foods girl echo straight to the MAC and cheese okay <hes>. I don't know why <hes> that's just house built. That's what remarried is. I am aside person so I put all the sides on my plate I MAC and cheese potato salad <hes> if there are Collard Greens even though that's not always summer appropriate so it may be some corn on the okay you you know what I mean. They Mansi <hes> but I get all my sides. I'll have mad potato salad and MAC and cheese on my plate and then I'll go grab a protein like fried chicken fish. GotTa Be Fried. Don't want anything I realized I don't think ever been to family reunion or cookout with fish number. I I know Whitey do in Texas will would use guns. I was GONNA say I'm not done. Hold on I'll go ahead and you ask him about my preference. Would I don't go to also are the hotdogs hamburgers one or the grilled chicken. I don't really love Barbecue <hes> so I still need my soul food and I kind of like that about a blackmailing cookout 'cause sometimes they'll call it a barbecue <hes> but there's the grill stuff stuff and then the non grill staples like the Mac and cheese and the potatoes outlet so I'll go to vodka down cookout 'cause I know I'm still giving things see. I am the complete opposite. I am going to judge you based this on your meat and the levels of your barbecuing okay well. I will admit I don't like to go to quote unquote barbecues in his own hotdogs and chicken Fago 'cause then I'm like where you ribs oh so you this is Texas. I need the ribs oops okay and I prefer the beef ribs. Everybody does pork okay. If you do beef ribs. You have won a space in my heart. I will taste your meat first and then I will go to your sides and I will down across also about this potato. Salad should be yellow and if your potato salad is not yellow. I'm not eating it. Wait a minute. You know what I never thought about what color I was should be but I know a color. mccheese should be late if it's not like a cheesy cheesy yellow kind of almost orange yellow. I could see that yeah. I'm concerned Yeah. I don't know what you use ingredients. I can't make myself but I sure eat it yet. If that potato yeah I I'm I judged the color blue you and me also forgot my other favorite eggs boom mess up some deviled. Oh my God allowed you. I will grab Ford at once. Oh yeah which is to a whole ex I forgot would've been I went to a not too long ago and double eggs was the appetizer and I went in. I go and my cousin shadow to my cousin carries. Oh my God and also color. I like my potato salad to be. Let me think about it because I'm like. I guess I'm feeling you 'cause I know I love it. Yeah Scabby Nice and yellow with Africa. Yes girl girl now another thing <hes> that I would like your opinion on about related to family reunions or debates that happen a debate eight that you know Ashley are co-producer has been bringing Bush brought to our attention. Is this debate on twitter that argues who's the better entertainer Jamie Foxx Glover <hes>. What are your thoughts stroke sheer confusion? When I saw that I was like wait any serious I mean I'm sure I'm not alone in this? I'm GONNA say Jamie Foxx Hands Down Hands Down and I like Donald Glover a lot. I I run with him and his singles goals and Atlanta you know overall but Jamie Fox has been making me laugh so hard I cried and sway and snap and all the things musically comedic -ly artistically for so long. I feel like we're talking about night and day. Jamie Fox can literally do anything he can dance comedy. I give you that Oh but raised me but I will raise you. Donald Glover's cover cover of two MIA so into you make not seen it go google people epic. It's good it is life changing. Also I am a childish Gambino Fan okay. One of my favorite songs by him is three thousand five. I know a lot of people have been introduced him because of this is America if you go back to those other albums they're really strong crime. Not I'll admit when you look at Jamie Fox does when he doesn't impression because Jamie Jamie hands down is spot on but if Jamie is a ten Donald Glover in my opinion is like eight point five see I'm GonNa this is more. I need Donald Glover to give me unless he gave it to me and I missed it for example and did you see guava island. Guava Island was Q.. Q. Q. U. With the Lower K._c.. Oh my God it was killed. ooh I loved it and all but Jamie Fox gave us a whole Sitcom. Okay wasn't living color community. He was supporting sign. Okay Jamie Foxx show. Wasn't he unlimited yeah he would hilarity classic. Okay sings plays the piano dances comedy Donald Glint Dances Yeah but donald giving you like choreographed. The choreographer taught me this and I'm rocking it. Jamie was giving you break out early like how this how this conversation's going. I mean I liked Donald Okay. Let me listen people I don't I don't I don't like this. I don't like this corey. I I let me just be clear the lion king I really liked childish Gambino Okay as an artist seriously like the first time I her even like this is America his last one <hes> feels like summer yet. I enjoy his music. They makes my playlist. I appreciate his artistry but I think there are levels and I was bringing down. Jamie Fox's receipts then he had a whole underrated album. Okay in like two thousand five there was epic. He turned Mary Mary quite contrary the Lullaby into a sexy nineties rb song on the fly and let's not even get started on when he was on fallon and he could do those impersonation with the celebrity impersonations Alan wheel this is random but again speaks to to my life right now so in the movie Rio he played one of the birds and his rendition of fly. Love is actually really beautiful. James Fax it is not child is going to be but I think childish Gambino is having a moment right now. I think Jamie Foxx never left. You know what I mean and I think like this valley. We talked about WHO's the greater time spent matters. No no seriously it's like they. That's why people don't like when you say things like Oh will like beyond say is the greatest entertainer of all time right now but that doesn't mean that there weren't greater entertainers from back in the day so I think things can be mutually exclusive to say so I think how can be now can be an excellent entertainer but Jamie Fox okay booty car. Let me back Ray Corey. How many I know fine you one Jamie the company one y'all she has to you? I mean y'all get him on. The podcast. Fun Changed My life that we have to see if you know he in Katie <hes> homes are busy in love right now but if we can get them to take a moment come on the show if he could come. I would love that what he's I mean. He's boot up. He is Buddha. I we haven't seen we haven't using Jamie well. He's on the show the ZAM show that's where uh-huh this the show does with the song lyrics. His daughter is on it as well. I am APP yeah. I need to see that I love the I'm serious whole show the Sunday. I thought this really why he started to he started turning. Things walks now. Okay well. Let me ask you do you. Do you know about beyond see that when the gift disgrace I'm leaving you. Ask You have to go corey disrespected me. I will not be disrespected respectively majorly I will not be of course I listened to the gifts. Okay okay as a fellow behind member yes well. I was everything it was everything I love it. The the song I really love on the album are jealous me. <hes> what Jimmy I laid Mr Easy Techno. I Love Burner Boys Song Gre. I do love the beyond saying Kendrick Lamar actually realize I really vibe up to the sound of Kendrick Lamar's voice like it's like a lullaby. Today it really is a Lullaby this a wag yes the he brings yes every song yes whether he's angry. High <hes> woke all of the Aboul of it it jazz and there's something about it's like <hes> okay if rap style could be alibi like so smooth yes yes I almost yes like really just help you by that. I know this totally is the thing also <hes> <hes> I love move forever and speaking of going back to childish Gambino because he's on it but what I also love is the background music on him which sounds a lot like a amalean artists that I love but the song. Along the has been given the most attention has been browse going girl because his sparked a challenge absolutely and I love that we have a new and them <hes> for loving are beautiful brown skin. Yes thank you beyond Ver- and can we to shut out. These lyrics works for a moment yes. She's like pose like a trophy when Naomi while I'm does not beyonce's Voice Lemme stock no but I mean you feel but these are. The lyrics are most people are responding to pose like trophy when Naomi walks in shinnied an Oscar for that pretty dark skin pretty like Lupita when the cameras close and drip broke the levy when the my Kelly rose in I think tonight she might break a some kind. Let me stop. This is why I'm not outta singer a wrapper or would you do that. I was by the way I think tonight she might braid. Oh okay. I'm sorry sorry fiance. I think tonight she might break her Braids Melanin to Dr throw his shade. She minds business wants her ways. Gold like twenty four K.. Okay <hes> Texas would be proud. Texas would be proud. Come on core bars. I'm sorry beyond but seriously I said this one or the other day I was the opinions with our Boulia oboe talking about millennial Mary's but we're also talking about all the things happen this week <hes> and we were saying like think we have to think beyond save for always artistically speaking yes thinking of the dope is new in addition to this base collaborations Huda partner way just what the people need and it's album is obviously with people need to right now into it and you know one thing I mean this may be very insider but what I truly my heart-to-heart really really love about the album is as you know <hes> the great thing and you want to go any you know a former broadcaster <hes> Co host said this longtime ago how great it is being an African in America that <hes> African music is now being played readily on radio yet and he but when you look at some time is very male heavy but what beyond say his done on the gift she's really given a spotlight to African female artists and in fact we one of our <hes> Naoto Nairobi reporters is going to be doing a piece deep dive on these women so I really just my entertainment heart is this is stays really bursting <hes> so thank you beyond say I noticed as crazy as transition but you know what broke my heart what McCarthy this man. I talk about it. I just I've been talking about for the last three days and I have to say my B.'s. We talk about it go ahead. Did you see what happened. I do so someone caught <hes> captured the images I'll say of Nicole Murphy Kissing <hes> director Antoine Fuqua <hes> which would have been really romantic and beautiful in Italy yeah if it weren't for the fact that he is married Ho married whole Mary to one of her. I thought good friends later actress Deliver Sean and I'm GonNa tell you when I I saw the photos you know everybody around. The office was like Oh my God oh my God and they were like well. Maybe I say y'all that looks like a Verandah. We Sevilla a patio at a nice resort and they know they're on camera private access right and if someone was like well maybe they just you know is a group thing but I saw bathrobes and coffee mugs that hoops in coffee mugs and and I was like I don't know guys and later <hes> Nicole Murphy came out and said that they were to friends who run in the same circles who have bumped into each other in Italy and quickly friendly kiss and mass when I knew all house brought to break because if there's one thing this Mary woman nosema friendly about that kiss nope nope nope nope or do you kiss your friends husbands on the lip. No I don't I would never <hes> that hasn't happened. How'd it limb by his <hes> somebody hello today and we were cheek-to-cheek but as we're parting thought the lips got to close and I thought Oh shit a hope? This doesn't go the wrong way yeah yeah you actually like impact. When I'm kissing a month has been? I think I make the kiss sound. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yes yeah just lean into the Rangel but I'm not actually making contact. You know what I do and <hes> because something I've been started to accept more. I realize how much of a Tomboy I still am even in my forties so when I use them when I see my friends husbands I give him a gap. Get Real. That's eight sixteen years old about it but we'll talk the reason I do it. I just feel safer and I over emphasized. I'll be like hey bro. Yeah like we my brother Yeah. That's my husband. You're my sister. Everybody were clear I I do. I do ahead yeah yeah. There's so many of these you do but it broke my heart because I mean I have to really look this but I could've sworn that they were truly in the same circles lying you know we've seen them all back when she was with Michael Strahan or Eddie Murphy and all of that because you know Leyla Zana Antoine Ucar as far as we know are still married and had been for over twenty years of okay and Y'all know Leyla you know the actress I mean beautiful. They have two teenage children <hes> but what cory this is where it really really went for me when she came out and say we're just friends. We bumped into each other. I said Oh says you know you're strong wrong right now but you're not admitting it no like this whole. We're just Francis was a little bit week and everybody was like <hes> try and go back to go. They do not collect two hundred dollars and try this again ago so a few hours later she tells T._M._z.. You know what I just deeply apologize. I was under the impression they were separated by part says ooh that's your friend. Why don't you call and ask her how it took what two seconds attacks message of Facetime Marco Polo D._M.? There's this are you so with your husband circle. Yes or no I mean I don't eat. I understand that things happen. We are are imagine getting like hey girl. How how you and your man how you how you also good do the ink dry? The divorce is still west how no but seriously like it is complicated and I get that we are all grown and I have heard of friends getting together for second marriages later on in light because the connection was real clear so it can happen the eight Gavin like this and it won't happen like this and this is my message to women all over the world if you're unsure if your friend has been is still with our Askar call her send a pigeon something I mean do the works. This is not okay and this is a public service announcement because I I mean Nicole. Murphy was married before and as Mary woman I think I expected more from her and I know a lot of people say will. Why are you just blaming a colon I am I blame both of them? Yeah equally I absolutely and I am disappointed. You know that they did get caught cheating and obviously may have hurt their family but Nicole's the went out here <hes> explaining poorly so my comments are directed to her at the moment because she put herself out there he said nothing which is also very typical of what happens. The man stays quiet and the women are left to fall on the sore <hes> they were both very happy kissing on that port. Are you going to <hes> dwelled into this more on the solve. You know no way I might just do that. I think you should how to deal with your friends getting with your egg. Yes I hope united listening to the solve Hashtag. This all guys my spinoff. Thank you for that transition gory <hes>. I appreciate Abbas guy so much. Go check me out over there a two so quiet we covered all most everything happen but I do have one thing. I know you went away in on raise your hand. If you want heart girl summer to be over because some of the folks have ruined ruined it appropriated a ruined misused overused it. I mean that was fine for like four weeks but it's over he has done. I mean you got what hot topics was. What's the name of the company Pacific Son who <hes> they've they've marketed lake? You have white brands using hot girl summer for commerce. I I'll admit are slack channel US talking about it was hilarious. Somebody floor fan summer. Yes as broken eight see something to wrap but that's how it feels it does it was special and and I'm not it's not a race thing but it was special but I'm now convinced when I look on twitter that eighty percent of the brands using hot girl summer don't even know the definition which is why I was really happy that <hes> that may put put it up. Did you see the definition no I do. I'm GONNA find it. She was like for clarity. This is the definition of hot girl summer cold on Y'all got pull it up because I think is important that if we're all GONNA use an abuser we should we need to fire defects. You know what I mean. We should be clear what it means. Okay everybody ready <hes> she says being a hot girl is about about being unapologetically you having fun being confident living your truth and being the life of the party etc and I was offered that we talked about it. Outfits are playing everything all the things so internet internet leave harmful summer alone so we still have only July. Can we just have a little like I wanted to yet. Let's put together because we're talking to a Queen Mother. Get into this interview with the One in Only Loretta Devine Charlton Corey you know it is a cloudy day. We have a ray of sunshine here. CONNICK GOSH ICONIC ICONIC. I have chose. Oh my God who's here Gory Miss Loretta Devine Hallo Alka here. We're happy to have you you so we're GonNa read receipts. Do you know what receipts arms by no school so when you go to like a drugstore and you get that really long print out all that stuff so receipts all the things you've done and we like to say Oh women highlight so we give highlights of your receipts. Okay okay. Oh my God people know just in case their mind reminder of the greatness. Yes we have this so you were the one the original cast members of dreamgirls Broadway along with Shirley Ralph and Jennifer Holliday. You Played Stevie Ray Lynn the dorm director on a different world the first few seasons you want an Emmy Emmy which the category was outstanding guests actress in a drama series in twenty eleven for your role is Dr as Adele Dr Wherever his wife on Grey's anatomy your your stage career you began in nineteen seventy eight your film current eighty-one Your T._v.. Current eighty seven and clearly it's still going because now you here talking with us about family reunion longevity yes long jet petit. You have a be a from the University of Houston a masters and fine art from Brandeis. You are in Aka respect and you are now also in one of my favorite scenes on black lady sketch show the Oh yes we did. We gave away to the people we'll talk about that little but you are one of our greatest stage performance stage H. and screen performance. Thank you and is just something so I put a little image from your twitter feed and I want you to tell us about this moment. Oh my God it's a picture of Ms Ms Loretta Devine Miss Shirley Ralph and forgive me. I don't remember his name Michael Peter's Mica choreographer yes so tell me I clearly all rehearsing but this this moment felt I had no idea we with that cute sweating armpits. I am just oh my goodness. y'All work was when we were creating the show. We were working <hes> down at eight ninety. That's what we used to call it which was Michael Bennett's <hes> <hes> workspace and we did six we did four six week workshops in the Improv and creating the dance moves in the songs and all of that and that was Shirley and I you know going the moves with <hes> Michael Pitas and that was a lifetime ago. Oh my goodness. I bet you have so many photo gems like the moment capture live the moment they're probably in the thing somewhere. Take a little cubby years. I'm thinking somewhere. There was no cloud real. I know we had more of them. No yeah goodness so another thing. That's really interesting because. Charleena I we've been introduced to you through your film work but my daughter WHO's nine has also been introduced to you found through your work because she was a big Fan of Doc Mick Stephen's when you rally here. Let let me know it they go mom. Is that here for US watching do they hear your voice and they say you're my voice and they know who I am and so I used to make these little tapes when I would meet a mom who said her kid did it. I would make her a little hippo tape things. I should have been selling those things. I don't know what I was. No you should especially for birthday party although their MOMS love them in the kids do too so I I saw actually. I think I've seen a site where celebrities are selling messages for birthday. Oh Oh wow okay. I've been really blessed. I don't have to go to manage your money yeah. I've been working along time so I say book and busy yes and the other way. My daughter has discovered you. She came home and said Mommy. Have you heard about this. Show famer union so good she she sat there and has watched it the first ten episodes. I believe back to back now three times as oh good loves. It loves it to the point. She's now say okay everybody. We're watching it together. We're watching it together she. She's nine now. That was demographically. I think who they really like created. The whole excitement of four was for the younger kids because the babies in the show are the stars more. I mean they are just so talented talented. They danced they sing they act and they went a little boot camp right before we went in they boot kids still explain to them. What Bonani what you know what angles on the stage mean how they should stand and and so they're very <hes> their parents are always their grandparents are the parents who whoever is not working <hes> but to Leah Jackson she's and then there's a is A._O._l.? <hes> Russell Bay lead in there's Jordan James and then there's also Cameron J. Right right so those are the four babies and I just fell in love with them. They made it so wonderful to come to work but I'm began in love with <hes> t._m._R._e.. And so I should I can't even say how Britain she she has a little that I love Lucy Accounting and there's so funny and I think she's <hes> the I think these four kids are going to be the stars with the future because they have so much salad so if everything goes correct and we don't blow up or become a whatever's going to happen to us if the aliens don't get hit the sky's the limit for them in the way everything is going in the business now being so many places to showcase so many new young creative writers. I just have the the highest hopes for them. So I'm so glad they like hit because it's doing what we wanted to do. They can talk to their parents about what they see and they can watch it with their parents and so that's good. I think that's really great now. I really love it. I really enjoy it. I love here you say how much you love and at my ex here because I love what she recently suddenly said about you owe interviewed have I don't know if you saw it and she was saying that until she got to work and watch you work. We're she really understood what confidence is onset and really that you can respectfully beautifully a tell people. Hey No no I don't like this. I don't agree are give your feedback feel comfortable doing that as an actor. That's she learned that from you. Oh I learnt so much from all of them. All of the time I just she has no reason not to ever be but I just admire so much about her person in the way she <hes> she mothers our relationship with her husband and her and she's so active. I think she has five million six million dollars. She likes you only has five. Oh my God. It's just always working doing she does so much and it's just so incredible and just so I I don't know if it was a girl crusher. Whether you call it I just think how these so proud and then anthony he is just is Anthony Alive. He is his so gorgeous and the Conatel he has just he he can let itself goofy. He can let us be lanky and funny and do all kinds of crazy stuff. I and I think he has a new commercial. He's been work. Everybody's GonNa win in every since the show kind of like hit you know hidden net flicks in July but I just hope we come together and get a chance to do more episodes because he was really great family feeling until committed to get to get the <hes> the pattern of the show and how would go down. I mean because this is a dream of Mick. <hes> Oga make the loach pillow that last name always kicked me in the button and I guess may say you can't say my name all right so it's the girl whatever but this is a dream hers and with and she felt that <hes> with an all black right as writers and as many black on the crew when she you so you were surrounded by familiarity as you worked who but baby that was sometimes I'll be like hundreds of people like we should go from a wedding right into the reunion and and people are always trying to keep up. Are you know so there was a lot of changing and who's doing what initially as far as the crew and stuff was concerned. We hold on bad jobs by and did you report in front of a live audience. Yeah we also had a live on and so we would have day with alive but that was two stages so one stage was devoted to stuff that coulda been on locations anywhere so the crews were always building. There was constantly building going on so there was a lot of stuff that was having an Richard roundtree plays my husband and and my sister was telling my hopkins and I have to other kids they wanted enough seeing some media remember but Warren was one of the plane one of my sons and I think Erica who came from another show that was on survivors remorse or something like that I think oh <hes> <hes> Erica Ash Yeah Larry Daughter and Warren. I don't know what warrant is famous for. He's funny. I haven't seen episode Eric Funding that will seeing that you've got to get on. I know I I've seen more when he comes in and takes all the food but that was Charlie. Charlie Wilson is on Mon.. Oh my gosh so when Charlie you came on we were my daughter was all blake. Who is his last name Wilson and then immediately he said the line so Charlie was a Medina's old boyfriend rigid is jealous? Yes we had a oh conversations about my dear. Yes has corey calls her grandma big Mama <hes> we call is we scars Mama Doug and my something whatever from Virginia Western enquiries from Texas we were trying to figure out if his regional with black people say my idea from certain regions. I'm 'cause I come big big Mama Mama but Houston Texas thing the down South Georgia is my dear yeah. The one thing that does threw me off about the show and she goes my dear my dear my whole as I've never known anyone really say it except for Tyler Perry Tyler Perry movies was the first time I heard yeah. I've heard a deal. I guess I'm so used a unit Talavera shows apart and in Virginia it's Savane West Virginia where my feelings member so interesting how we have like different terms of endearment yes black. We just do everything so special than we yes. Do you get back to Houston a lot not a Latin you know since my mom passed <hes> I I went more when my mom was alive live and my my siblings are getting on me because it's been awhile but they said we knew going to do that you right. I don't have to come home but I promise my babies is. I was coming home this charisma because I do feel bad I miss everybody know life. Yep Yep and you busy like you booked and busy yeah. It ain't doing none. Tell him come to visit time. I gave A. B.. Steel alone black family moments are everything we'd love to show and just some of them are favorites and some of our not so favorites cookout season so I'm feeling all the black family for you. Mr Von is the worst part about family. Get together got the worst. I guess depend on how much of the work you have to do. You know the women do most of the work they do all the preparation of the food <hes> and like I have a husband that doesn't like to is barbecue and stuff and I just can't believe it because I mean that's like part of your like putting the trash at you suppose the barbecue. That's true so at least barbecue yeah so you know I think the worst part I guess would begin stuck with all the word <hes> Madda getting the chance to have <hes> some of the fun because the fellow user a lot of fun especially the one of this show is so much much fun and a whole family knows the electric slat or whatever the dance is going to be and everybody's eating in you know holding everybody else's babies and this is the wonderful time but you know even my reminds me of our Christmases are like then have always been like that from the time I was very young too old and I had a very loud family. Everybody tried to tell loud it in the other person next to them and hours at a very tiny voice and so a lot of times. I felt like no one would ever know hear me what I was saying so that reminds me of of what the family reunions logic Christmas time. I like that scene <hes> in the show where I forgot what you guys. Were you cooking but it found out that you bought wanted to patty pies. They had a good explanation for but I also like the fact that they should they be no because I think mad was talking about in creating the character mother how we think our grandmothers and our mothers know everything and so that that she was turning Medina in the show whose name is Amelia. That's my name in the show. mccullum's were the mccullers. <hes> is almost like a superstar. She got me jumping over fences APPs playing basketball. She had me doing all kinds honest stuff. I could hear through walls. I could see to take your Boomerang Boomerang shoe every episode she was doing some soup at least one superpower per show and and that she was saying it's because a a lotta times we feel like our mothers. Not Grandma's do have these files when they actually they do they not hearing you talk about. Roles guy can tell that you love which you do I in case. We didn't know that Shannon Dan well thank you I do. I really love acting is asking you to pick a favorite roll like asking you to pick it favorite child. I mean that's like you have so. Many role is always the one I'm working on at the time in which is why she constantly is working working. Oh yeah yeah that's my favorite role is that I got so many things that I've done that. I really I guess against you could say that you proud stuff that you really proud up <hes> <hes> and it's something different reason like <hes> the role idea in crash. I'm really proud because they're only seventy five Oscar. Winning movies in the world uses all been seventy-five Oscars and I'm in one of them so in a moment in my route. That's something at receipt. Okay <hes> aspect. I love the the role I played in this Christmas because it was the first time that a movie like that was ever made I think where it was a black family and you saw the they started shooting on Africa. They started shooting that movie <hes> we went over to the grow which is a place in Los Angeles put up all the declaration and they had me walk around. We wasn't doing no movie yet. They had a cameraman just follow me walking fill <music> so it looked like I was out shopping for Christmas decoration and they used all footage in the movie but there was ideal where all the black kids that would were grown came home and that was all this family relationship and everything and it was beautifully done and everybody from that I became my children. They're all famous now. Idris in pain Lorillard is it was fabulous and then of course Chris Brown my baby ah baby so I'm so proud of C._c.. And being married Jane because all my God you different. Oh my girls like bad. Dan Lives down. 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Lakers Fast Break- Lakers Championship Free Agency Follow-Up with Rafael Barlowe!

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Lakers Fast Break- Lakers Championship Free Agency Follow-Up with Rafael Barlowe!

"All right we're back for another episode of the lakers fast-break podcast. It's gerald lasts for coming right back to hear from pop culture cosmos laker's fastbreak inside sports fantasy football game source. We truly appreciate everyone out there to solve agreed shows. And if you can can can can can can please like support share or do whatever you can to help us out here at the lakers break and also the best place to go for twenty twenty one nba draft news and information and profiles nba draft chunkys on youtube nba. Draft turkeys dot com. His great podcast. Well run the floor and nba draft junkies. It is my good friend indeed. He's the man behind. Nba draft trunk. East it is raphael barlow raphael. We're talk some nba free agency. Some contract extensions possibly even some kate cunningham as well. It seemed like it's been a while. Was i thought. I thought i'd give you some time off to relax but lawn. Behold you're still doing videos. I told you to relax get some sleep. Get some rest. Take some time off. You know five thousand videos as far as prep beforehand that you did in in the if you want to check it out still if your team out there. You're not sure who they got in the draft. You're not sure who just about the guy said. They picked up best place to goes. Nba draft chuck is because you will see time and time and time again. Some great profiles. And now you're up to your draft. I think you're up to your draft grades right now for both. The eastern conference phipps the east and just have the west. Then i'll be done with. I'm just ready to get twenty twenty over and start focusing on twenty one. I've already done are the stuff idealist. Far light rebranding as far as updating the logos in changing the site over so once. I finished off the western conference grades. I'll be done of. That's awesome but yes you gotta check out what he's today at. Nba draft cookies and mba. Drought donkeys dot. Com is twenty twenty. One it's knocking on. The door is right around the corner and you just actually less than a year. It's going to be the nba draft once again. So we're looking forward to that. Actually lot quicker turnaround were expecting this time around. Not the extended stay that we had it for twenty twenty. So my friend. There's a lot going on in the nba. Because it was possibly the what. Probably the busiest eight or nine days in league history think this past with the trades first off the draft and then the free agency and the contract extensions that were laid out. I guess it was hard to keep up with it all so i mean it usually the draft is. I mean. it's not like two day difference but usually the draft and free agency is within a week. Yeah and you know before like as soon as it hit midnight. Each saw like forty deals coming through so at least we needed. They spaced it out. I mean those tampering rules for kennedy. Say bogdonovich vich. Maybe that might have been the cause of you. Definitely think so but even then though i mean i remember that was the last year two thousand nineteen i remember. I was out of the country. And i was actually at one of these scouting and i'm standing up to like first thing in the morning and is just wo jin shams just not like free agency is only four minutes long. How's everybody agreed to this. They awaited even though everything might have been set before what was an easter. You know kinda like waited an hour and then it started trickling out. And they're like two three hours later boom then you saw it but you know these deals for the most part. Were set up already. But the monday before had win the the floodgates start opening on the trades. We saw chris. Paul dennis schreuder. We saw a lot of other traits. Go through and you know at that time. The flurry of draft picks later in the first round. And then you see again later. On this part of the week you saw the contract extension. That were signed once things kind of the dust kind of settled a little bit for the most part. You saw the contract extension. That were signed. So i wanna hit first off with nba. Free agency my friend. I know that something that you're keeping a close eye on because you as a portland trail blazers fan gotta be excited. So i'm gonna go and star of instead of starting off with the lakers. Because everybody's been talking about the lakers for good and for bad mostly for good talk about how they want. Free agency whatnot now. Hear your thoughts on that in a sec. I want to go ahead as our guest. And someone who i know loves the portland trailblazers as much as i love the lakers. I wanna go ahead and give you props for portland. Thoughts on portland's free agency period. I know you've been saying a lot of twitter. But i want to go ahead. Tell everybody out there which were thoughts on the blazers and how they You know how they did in free agency. Portland did okay. I like robert covington trade. Even though i was hoping that they would draft sadique bay. I have been campaigning for that. For months. like to covington. Try cutting trade as far as free agency coming back. I mean he ended up coming back for more money but having him the achilles injury yep yep so having ham comes back helps them with. Trent should be able to Just help out. He showed in the bubble that he's an mba rotational player. So having those two wings helps. As far as i like the harry giles signing this so do i like that and i just don't know how much play because cantor. Their cantered anzac collins is still there. They brought mellow back. So i mean to me. The the blazers free agency was mega. Some pieces but to me. The biggest thing is health just overall health midday. They went to the conference finals the year before. Think this team is actually better so But it just just been healthy. I still like to see them. Add another backup point guard that will be without like to see the matt. Maybe evan turner on a cheap deal. He still available and he was. He was on the team a couple years ago. So that'll be my final day. I wanted i wanted to blazers to add like a four that can pass and make plays for others a little bit. James johnson was another target. That i want to make a trade for what i think harry. Giles is the most underrated passing big in the league. So it's good to see the maximum. Bob bob movers. Because portland was last in the league in assists last year maybe like second to last a two seasons prior so just want to see them. Get some bomb overs. You gotta root for a kid. Like harry giles. Because he's had the two devastating knee injuries and we weren't even sure if he was going to go ahead. Able to play ten extent was sacramento and to see him now to position where he might get a chance of borland. It would be nice but again right. It's the stack. It's a very stack front court for portland right now. Yeah i mean collins. I hope they don't starting him at the floor. Is the answer this year. No that was the plan last year. Though so i hope that's not the case but he could easily beat a bird big. I don't think he's better than kanter. I mean he's better defensively. Better defensively but if kanter if collins becomes a good corner three shooter then i think it helps them but if he's not then i just don't see how he can beat out cantor for the backup center but with but with the portland trailblazers. I wanna ask one thing at the all the editions. I thought they were pretty good. Obviously bring me back as well. Defense is still going to be an issue for your team. And this the something i might get back to with the lakers when it comes to them. What are your thoughts on as far as these additions helping your defense. Because i didn't see much in the way of doing that. You got tom points. They're going to score a lot of points coming to helps a lot. I mean he's a shot blocker even though he's a win he played at three and four. He'll be able to defend other teams best wing. So that's something that they didn't have it all last year rely on arm To guard lebron. So also haven't wind up is is also going to be key so yeah defensively better but you know it's impossible to be good defensive team in. Nba a wink. A switching three four. they address tax. Defense should be a little bit better than dan. What would a deeper roster. The guy shouldn't be gassed. We saw in. The playoffs dies Gas because only we're going like six weaning winning gabriel so you only had like five or maybe six legitimate rotation players so Leah debt to help out defensively and then just having to go wing defender. Well like i said hope so. It's always better than when portland is kind of given the lakers and clippers and everybody in the in the western conference Some noise so it's always good to see them competitive in the league. I think there's going to be a lot of points. Scored there in portland. Do you think at some point in time. They're going to have to move off the cj mccollum contract. Do you think they're going to have to move them. Maybe if if it goes okay but it doesn't go quite the way that they plan you. Do you see them. Moving off of him read the trade deadline. Nope as to what trade can they make for. Caesar that's going to make them better by what i can't think of a possible scenario where it's gonna make them better because if you take. Cj away right now. Who is your second option so even if you get to each trade him for two good defensive players you still don't have a legitimate second option on the team that can create their own shining. Get a basket okay. I'm just. That's why i'm asking. Because i hear cj's name you. And i both here. Cj name all the time when it comes to the rumors and things of that nature as far as being traded and whatnot. So that's the only reason why i'm saying so I mean they. Yeah i mean portland doesn't have another guy that can create his shot outside of dang that can just issue a basket late in shot clock so not. I think trading. Cj would be a mistake. I think it would be easier to to find another defensive. Three four that can defend multiple positions than it will be replaced. Cj fair enough indeed again. I speak in rossio ball from nba draft. Junkies got check out all the great things that he's going to be doing for the upcoming twenty twenty one draft nba draft donkeys plus also his draft grades. Richard there right now. Please check it out today. Nba draft junkies. So my friend we will again. Talk about the lakers here in a few minutes but when it comes to nba free agency out there. Let me know some of the teams that you've been watching that you said you know those are some pretty nice moves some winners. I'm gonna tell you the first office far as players are concerned. The winners are anybody who could make three three-point shot because shooters really one out with joe harris dallas bertrand's. Those guys got bag because they can hit mary pointer but are there any teams that really stick out to you. As far as being a success this regency season. Obviously the lakers atlanta's the biggest winner. Free agency i mean. They've pretty much reshuffle their team around now. They may have too much depth because all the young guys other young worst basque perspective back. I read today that they're still going to start. Collins at the foreign are going to bring nari off the bench so if they bring out a nari off the bench. Then i'm as either a cappella or congo was coming off the bench. Also then as you got reddish all of those guys so i still think and this is my opinion. I've mentioned it on twitter. I think it's going to be similar to what the lakers do. Anthony davis and i think it's going to be a similar tray with the hawks and the books for jaanus. Ooh very nice. Because we have not seen a yana signing do an extension as of yet so he hasn't said yes. That's i know that's been the the rumor. Ville is is going wild when come see johnson that whole him not signing as of yet as we get closer and closer to the start of training camp so that becomes louder and louder and louder uber talking about dallas and miami and all the other teams that are in. Play possibly even the lakers for genres Apple so it's going to be very interesting to see how that plays out. Atlanta like you said could be a key as well. John collins He's not had. He's not been given an extension offer as of yet. So that's also something to bear in mind because i know he's up for one this year if i'm not mistaken. Yeah and that's why. I think it might be a possible. Move because you can't really get a janas deal done less colin signs in extension. I think he will be a valuable piece. in that. Trae ago. I was thinking it could be some type of package of reddish colon's any the capello com. Woo one of those guys for for janas. Because i don't know. Did you hear the wolves part the yana story Not as of yet. I know i see a plot plastered. It's got pinned on his twitter page. I am going to take some time to check it out. I was basically going back and forth between all the different draft pods and the agency bonds. But yeah i got to read a little bit. The story on espn. Then i know he has the wash pod that goes into detail on giving a whole story jaanus thought he was going to the hawks coming into the draft atlanta traded up and they were planning on taking him and number sixteen and his agents had they had a they didn't discloses medical information or his records to a bunch of teams because they thought atlanta was to fit. That was the first city that he flew into in the states. He just knew that he was going to atlanta. And milwaukee took amax fifteen so even though the front office has different like. Danny ferry is not there anymore but is coaching in milwaukee. As you're still think it makes it makes sense. Because if he goes to atlanta play with a much better team than what they can put together. Milwaukee and i think this bucks team the way it's constructed. They're kind of stuck as far as flexibility. And so you think if he gets traded to atlanta. I wanna get this cleared. You think him playing with trae young and some of the young stars there although a lot of them would be traded back. Let's say milwaukee is a better option for him playing right now middleton and holiday yes simply because i think you'd have you'd have trae young whoever's twenty nine again and who is a better distributor then holiday- holidays a much better defender. They you'd have bogdonovich to their close so there are rumors that vijn and janas wanna play together. I don't think atlanta goes after bogdan. Die without thinking that they can possibly make some type of move for jaanus because bogdanor redundant to the three wings at draft. In the last two years. Dan gallon ari. Does he really agree to come off the bench. That's my opinion this. He really agree. Okay i'm gonna come off the bench in atlanta. Because i remember his words during the season that he was going to go ahead and not take the money and go toward lean towards a continuum. Yeah tha contender to win. And being winning the eighth playoff seed. Which atlanta's now favoured to do or be right there on the cusp of it is not exactly what i had mine. He did take the money. Yeah so to me. Something is cooking. Fine like i mean. I know they're sending eighty has an assigned because he possibly be waiting jaanus. But like i mean jaanus knows. I don't know if you really want to sign your content. Then you go. Milwaukee can't really make any more moves at this point so what's the what's the hold up. So that's just my opinion. I could be wrong but i. I thought it was very interesting. When i listened to the lowest part about his draft process that he thought he was going to be a hawk and in all of that and so then they. Just i see all of this stuff go down and atlanta like they have assets now with with the guys that they drafted they should be able to return a lot for reddish. I thought like boston will be possible. Trade partner but if you offer like let's say you offer reddish collins capello or reddish collins and o'connell a team would take that if they're going to lose a star now. I know a lot of people. Would i know a lot of teams would. That's for sure like you said if they're going to lose their superstar throw in a lot of atlanta has a nice plethora of these nice cash of draft picks at this point in time. So that's something that they could go ahead and offer to the box if it goes south between on us and the milwaukee bucks raphael from nba draft junkie dot com and. You are listening to the lakers last. Check out what's been going on with the pop culture cosmos shell and the pc multi the better at these marvel films. Do the higher standards are going to be for. Not just other films in general but other marvel films also. I think it's really hard to end a show with this many fans in the satisfying way. That's the pop. Culture cost show and the pcc multi-diverse playing worldwide on radio seven days a week. And wherever you get your podcasts. I want to ask you this before. We hit the losers. The new york knicks always a source of fun and information out there. But i kind of like the fact that they didn't do anything truly outlandish like this year. I kind of like the fact that they know what they're going to keep some money on the books they'll take some bad trades but they'll get a lot of assets and picks and return if you wanna throw at them so i'm thinking that was probably a good move right now for leon rose to you know we're not going to overpay for a lot of free agency. That will never work out. Yeah and i thought. That didn't make a splash. i feel like they. They had a good summer innocence because next year is a strong draft. They got a coach. That i think is going to make them better whether or not he's patients that for the long haul at that's to be determined but i think that they're they're in arranged with they'll be bad where they should have a lottery pick next year and have cap space. So you got to kiss kentucky that are projected lottery picks. We already know there was a connection between kentucky and the knicks. And then i just saw jalen. Green signed with ca so Yeah and i think that'd be bad enough to wear even if you don't get the number one pick. I think this draft next year is good enough to where you get a top five guy. Top eight guy that they should be able to You know you have a nice future to build around so they would have their toppin mitchell robinson than a thing they have to first round picks have the maps pick so yeah i thought they played a smarter. The porzingas trade. I think if. I'm not mistaken then and kate hunt kid cunningham who. We saw earlier today in a play for his first game for oklahoma state. Look pretty good. I mean i mean it's a freshman first game. I'm not expecting the world. Didn't bust the world over against ut arlington but looked okay they won. They didn't win big or anything like that but he looked. Okay not too bad. I think he added nine to ten rebounds. Twenty one points. Ten rebounds three assists you and i like the way. He pushed the ball up the floor. His head was up. He was going to looking for long passes to go ahead and find teammates. I liked his unselfishness rebounding. He was there rebounding. He really look physically and athletically better than anyone else on. The floor is shot looked. Okay i something you can work on. But i see some signs out there. I wish she would try a little bit harder. Defense but some science. I see some deputy signs. Yeah i think in college. He's gonna be match up nightmare because he can play. One through four amish. They showed him. He posted up a little bit a tough in transition. He's a he's a special talent. He's a special talent so for some reason. I think that he's thunder going to be so bad they're going to have so many ping pong balls. They're going to be able to keep him in state. I have a feeling that might be the case as well. But it's interesting to see i know k. Cunningham in the slam dunk number. One for you like it has been with so many other individuals in fact. Espn was promoting him as such already. I think he's a potential number one. I think he's very good and i think obviously that's assigned but es to keep developing and we'll again we'll see but very good start for guy for freshman first game in college at say was a pretty good start so yeah he. He's my number one i think. Espn had jalen green as number one. Did i thought it was the other way coke. 'cause now they're advertising under you take the school but they had a all year ahead jalen. Greens their number one. Okay they flip flopped as the. Espn now has them as they were billing today on their youtube page at the one in the nba draft. But yes. it's so funny how that works. But they had him as their number one recruit. Okay the number one recruit in the nation but now i think they have kate as the number one draft pick so even saw graphic today where they had. They had k listed as their number to recruit in twenty twenty one class but they had a mess. The number one pick orton. Yeah there's still a lot a lot of great talent there. So i mean it's a good start and it's a good start at so we'll go and see how it works out from there but you're right there's going to be a lot of draft assets for the city but it'd be great to see him on the knicks possibly light that city up. But you're right. The odds are with the five thousand draft picks. Oklahoma city has over the next five years seemingly that they have the best shot of getting either them or new orleans. Yeah but i just wonder like. As far as the thunder franchise has been spoilt from day. One oklahoma city s at kevin durant jammed hardin westbrook then when katie left. They still have paul. George mellow excuse me last year. They still had chris paul but they won so the fan base has been spoilt now. I'm curious to see how they'll come out and support the team. You know if it were a normal situation if we all could go to games but how much fan support they would get without assure. Fire like Marketable star. I think you'll just alexander's close to ban that. But he's not a household name like that and so he just wonder how the franchise survives if they don't have bat that guy what they're going around every game. Yeah well if they get anywhere near rebel irrelevance as far as maybe even break five hundred or get close to it. It's going to be because of shakeel. Alexander is going to because he's going to take the team on their back on back and he's going to carry it to a decent record if that's the case if they get that point they don't want to win win. I'm just saying that if they do if they manage to go ahead of winter season get any type of decent record you. yeah obviously. That's not the goal they want to go ahead do the at maybe a tanking that even sam hinkie would be proud of but i guess This point in time if they are anywhere near closest going to because a shy shake just alexander and if that's the case You know that would be kind of at detrimental to what they're trying to build in oklahoma city. But you know like i said. We'll see how that pans out. But kate cunningham was pretty good in his first time. Yeah yeah but as far as bender. I think in order for them to get high lottery picks i think they need their own picks to be bad because the clippers aren't going to be bad anytime soon though so those picks are gonna be late first round and then i'm confused. They had so many deals six sixteen or seventy at thanking seventeen next like six years. But i know like i felt like a lot of them before this trade. You know this whole trading sees. But i felt like a lot of them. Were coming from the clippers. Which are going to be low picks. I felt like they need their own picks to be bad in order to give them a high lottery rains with even then i just wonder like let's say they end up with a k. Cunningham and then the next year they end up with like imani bates or chat home grin. Rei so you end up with these guys the gonna pay the luxury tax if these guys ended up panning out at you know when their contracts are back to back to back. This is an reo. Again he'll be deja-vu. It'll be david david because you'll see the same thing all over again so you're right in that marketplace. They can only handle so much success. And then the owner will tell sam prestige to go ahead and trade them away again to like. He did the first time. Oh yeah so interesting to see how these next few years next six years. Play out bender so all the time will tell indeed but before you had on my friend. I do wanna go ahead on t touch on one last team as far as the winners. You mentioned the lakers with all their additions. Obviously heading from entrees herald. Wesley matthews markelle saul. Now there was a nice list they resign. Casey p a lot of good moves there. I'm not as ki. Sold is a lot of the analysts out. There who already giving away the championship to the lakers just similar. it's actually kind of weird is exactly one year ago. They were giving everything away to the clippers and remarking how wonderful it is now. One year later they're remarking about the same thing they're saying. The same exact things about the lakers. The clippers which for me is kind of like makes me even more nervous. I think they're better as overall town. I still think there are some issues that concern. I think their defense. On the defensive end it might not have been as good. It might not be as good defensively. I think offensively especially coming off the bench. That's a lot better. But i want to hear your thoughts on. What the lakers did the season before we get to the losers of ridge pm and it was shocking to see mantra herro by our unique do not understand why mantras hero will take that deal. I will be a better fit there personally. Yeah thank you definitely better fit but you know the connection that runs. The lakers is the reason. Because it's crazy. Because i know his value drops another stock plummeted during the the bubble but i thought he was at least get three twenty or something like that at least twenty million dollars a year he never get that over two years and for him to sign a low deal like that. So fast is really strange to me. I could see if the money dried up like in the case of a tristan thompson or something like that where they won a lot wasn't a lot of money left in he had settle for celtics to nineteen but he signed for to nineteen fast. I'm just like risk say. Hey it's better to be a laker with nineteen million. A clipper for fifty or sixty. I don't know what he did to convince. Take that deal but to me. It just makes absolutely zero sense because herro is not like he's coming off a max deal and he's looking to win a championship. I think the most he's ever made before this season was six million while he's only going to keep it for the one year. 'cause you and i both know he's going to opt out after the after you know because he's got that opt-out option next year. Yeah but to me. It still doesn't make sense. I don't think rich. Paul would have him signed this type of contract. If it wasn't the lakers go even if you look at the case ep. He turned down five. Eighty with the pistons to go to the lakers. And after five years with the lakers he'd have only made sixty eight so he's twelve million dollars. People say oh you know l. a. championship. I don't think casey. Ps made up twelve million dollars off the court endorsement deals so when they were when agent anonymously came out a few weeks ago and was saying that rich paul has caused his clients a lot of money. Everybody sees the big deals which you know. I think there is some jealousy there that comment but this kind of proves his point in a sense that hey you know i. It seems like this guys that are his starters you know that he takes care of that morale. Brian tristan was one remember. I think he turned down. Like fifty seven million to end up getting eighty. A lot of people felt like jr got overpaid and his his contract at. He's just finishing cleveland. Even though casey peace deal was high to some. I feel like it was really fair value because he shot thirty eight percent from three so i don't think there was a lot of home cooking there but i mean there's no on i just feel like because it was the lakers because he kind of benefits in a sense with the lakers winning. There's no way you would have told me that jordan carson. We'd get like thirty million dollars more than macho or macho. Theros contract would be around the same ballpark. Give or take a million or so as mason plumlee bertone's bertans eighty million or i mean the biggest ones. Yeah the moore's four for sixty four yes. Is there a sixty two million dollar difference between them. And that's crazy. One takes one million dollars. One takes sixty four. So that's crazy It is what it is my friend. But you're i'm very very curious to see how this plays out. But i'm a little concerned about the defense that they're not going to be able to play that same level defense that got them the championship. I understand that they've now got an offensive punch coming off the bench that they didn't have before and then some but i'm still concerned about the defense going forward because again like i said it's it's something that the lakers i think. That was the third man to me that was the third man was their defense their way. They came together as a team. So i'm concerned about that. Going forward it do. I have a right to be concerned. Because i just that's just from what i'm doing long as you got. Anthony davis lebron james. If you if you if you beat your man off the dribble those guys are waiting for you at the rim. The have a black party above the square much of a block party. Because you don't have mcgee and and Howard there but they're still like you said play in the playoffs. I mean during the regular season. Yeah maybe the defense is gonna slip a little bit but in the playoffs like how. How much of an impact. Mcgee half ghazal still there to give you five fouls against yokich or any type of big. Let's say in bead philadelphia. They piece everything together with their all their acquisitions and maybe they go far. But i yeah. I'm just saying if if gestalt can give you anything. It's gonna work out if wesley matthews can still give you something in the tank. That's going to work out schroeder. I really like i like that. Move above any of the others. I think that's really going to be something that i think i know a lot of people. Rhonda's rondos gone is really going to hurt the team in leadership it will but i think schroeder and his attitude will will pick up some of that slack. Least the key is you. Add it to younger guys. That are on paper. They were a lot better but you just kind of wonder about the chemistry is with the Remember correctly schroeder. Said he didn't want to be in. La did you see that quote though. Like rob yeah. He made a comment that he told his agent. I don't wanna be a laker. Or clipper i'm not interested in either of those teams regarding. I saw it on social media and you know social media sometimes pictures and words good. Yeah but nah i mean. Dennis is very very confident guy. And i know he rubs some people the wrong way. Because he's he's very confident bra arrogant and he he i think it is. What makes them so good but it also he. He's in a situation now where he's expected to win. He's been on winning teams. Don't don't get me wrong. It's not like he's put up numbers on these bad teams but in la you with this team. You can't be concerned about getting your eighteen or nineteen and night. I absolutely i just. I just like during the season. You might see their defense slip a little bit. And that's something that i think is going to be expected because harrell and i dunno schroeder depends on who you talk to not that great or is great defensively. I mean laker. This is where laker. Tom pulls out his analytics. That are his. I call it his jaded analytics because they always seem to slide towards one way or the other. You'll be talking about a bacha for two straight weeks about how he should be on the lakers. Then as soon as he's not on the lakers you'll throw out the statistics for kosau to be on a message on twitter. So it's funny how that works out. But what can i think the lakers defense is gonna slip regardless. Because at just just in the season i mean they're coming off a long postseason run in a short break. Lebron's ada gonna arrest a little bit more. Yeah so i. I don't which kind of you know having heralded. I think that hamid showed are gonna be like ll will and herro last year. They're going to probably carry a lot of the offensive load during the season because a magistrate lebron is gonna take some games or he's just kinda coast in the stadium. Turn it up late. So yeah i mean. It's it's tough to to get by the lakers. It's tough to say that another team had a better off season atlanta atlanta because they came from from nothing like one of the worst records to have an expectation. But nobody expected to lakers the lakers. To retool the way they did. And i think they did a great job and kudos to rob on that said tweak i would make is i would bring you know a back over here instead of you know a herald at because i think defensively in the playoffs. I think it's a better fit. I'm not talking during the season. During the season. I think heralds gonna get you more but i think in the defensive side of the ball during playoff series. I think a bacha would have been a better choice for me either. I think he's just a better fit. When you have those type of matchups in the playoffs. Yeah and i really wanna see how it plays out. Because on one hand i could see how trans has a big road in a regular season and it diminishes during the playoffs because we know and money time eighty is going to play five and likely going to have more my good signing resigning him. Yes right for sixty dollars less. Yeah they got them for pennies but with trez being clutch client and sinus. Such a short deal where he gave them a discount. I wonder how much of a role does that play. Because you don't wanna mess up his money after. He gave you a wink wink deal and he had a big load in the regular season and then all of a sudden during the playoffs. You can't really do him like you did avail where he starts and then in the playoffs he won't get his role won't be exactly like develo but you know if he's playing twenty eight minutes a game during the regular season and then you come down to fifteen during the playoffs when he's looking for contract after he gave you a discount. That's why i think chemistry could be a little bit of an issue. If you got lebron on a team then at least you know you have the leader that that can fix that. So i'm just ready to get this season started in and and more so for like the playoffs. Just kinda see the how these teams that have a lot of depth right now. How their their rotations are going to be because right now it seems like there's a few teams that are there. Rotations are going to be hard to figure them out because they have so many guys that are very similar. We're signalling the rep for a quick timeout. But we'll be back with more of the lakers fast-break bog meeting an edge for your fantasy. Football team listened to the guys at sports. Benny football for insight. That will help you reach your league championship. That's less force fantasy football. Check it out today on your favorite podcast out any quick thoughts on some losers for this. Nba free agency seal at denver got weaker at denver got weaker but as far as like another team i wanted to mention i thought dallas had a very very strong season thought. They had a good draft. They had three guys. That i thought were first rounders. They got them with with the you know with their picks and then they added toughness. they added size. Josh richardson trade. Wing-size added another wing defender. And then they were able to save money for next year. So if you think about they gave up only players gave up was really like seth curry out of their rotation players. And they got tyrel. Terry you got josh green. You got tyler bay josh. Richardson and james johnson and they only lost location player. So i like the dallas mate as far as losers i think denver is the biggest loser. They lost the they lost Grant made a lot of money for himself in the bubble the law. Somebody else to up. craig torrey craig sewing. They lost two of their stronger. Defenders melts app is a year older. They i'm going to add another gar camp puzo from the argentinian from a real madrid. He is going to be fun to watch him and yokich together. You're going to see a lot of giving go highlight. No look crazy passes so i thought that was a pickup. Even though i didn't necessarily think that they needed another guard. I thought monte morris was was good there wonder. Is there another move. That's going to be made which another theory. It's not like i made it up. But for whatever reasons the pit the moves that the pistons made saying like they were done with thinking. You know another move to be made at the somehow blake. Griffin's frayed is going to be in the works. But i guess it might be too late for that if they've had the conference but i don't know a detroit is done either so to me. They were loser also because they signed like all guys that play the same position. A bunch of centers and a bunch of hybrid. Three four yet. I don't like choice moves at all. You don't know what they're like circa new york knicks. Twenty nineteen played. Rafted isaiah stewart. They sign okeafor. Grant plays the same position as that hybrid three four position as who boulia sadique bay who they drafted. They signed josh jackson. Yeah i just don't know what they're doing. I mean. I think gambling on josh jackson. I'm sure that was very low risk on david's contract but they they waived him as i correct. Yeah yup they waived him so he's under. I suggested him for the lakers. That's just my thought. Oh i'm should do. I love that he lives in l. a. Yeah i spent the week with him. A couple of weeks ago But yeah he he lives in l. a. So i'm sure he would like to say home. I think the best fit for him. That makes the most sensitive news. I'm not sure about the zion. An stephen adams. I mean they're going to be good for. Jj i mean. They gave him an extension to yet. Oh my gosh. If not even seeing them together they already had an extension. And if you dwayne deadman can give you what he did. Give you two years ago. I mean that that would be really cool. Address zionist paired with floor. Spacer though a guy that can knock constrasting lozano operating the paint. Just wanna see house. I mean i didn't think in favors look too good together. Sharing the court is far from a spacing perspective. So yeah that's what i would. I would add a shooter but it probably helps j. right because i mean you get screened bhai zion on one and then next play you get screened by stephen adams he should get a lotta open. Looks should should if he's not traded first so we'll see if that's the case because he could be traded for so for some assets to as well because he's still valued individual that's admired by a lot of people in the league so we'll see if he sticks before the trade deadline and whatnot but my friend has been a great conversation but before we head on out and before we give you the i guess the the great pitch on why people need to check out. Nba draft junkies where any of the big recent contracts ascensions In were they were justified. I mean we had quite a few with jaylen brown. Jason tatum tatum in boston. We had darren fox. We had bam a bio brandon ingram. I talked about my kinda questioning. The stephen adams extension not was kind of weird and out of place. I thought they should just go ahead and see how it works. Zion first before they did that. But you see any extensions that were just you know. Do you see them all as being justified any debt. Were you mentioned mitchell. Donovan mitchell yob. He was there five years one five. Yeah as well yep so. We a- i mean the big one is collins. That's the one that that will see one if it happens this summer and to what money does he get because i read. He wants a max but he's not on their level as far as like as far as production and then also he missed twenty five games. So it's kinda hard to reward him after that to me. That was the big one like lonzo gets extended. Those are the two months from markkanen. Those are the ones. I'm looking forward to because i figured the guys that you mentioned. It was a no brainer. They were all going to get a max deal but it's the other ones that that You just wonder what they get funny. How that that's going to play out yet. It's gonna be interesting to see and john wall about john. Wall wanted to leave me. Gets the achilles. Injury gets another injury. On of that the team helps them rehabilitate. The injury and dishes show his appreciation for the actual team that that helped him get to that process and get him back on the court once again. Know once a trae interest good luck. This isn't like one hundred and thirty eight million dollars left on his contract for years about four years left. I think on it. Yeah about forty million years considered by many to the nba's word towards contract. It's it's it's still. It's a big deal. i mean yup. And that's why they haven't done the Westbrook for wall trade because westbrook actually has less years then wall so and it doesn't make sense either way so not think john. Wallace stuck there there for us. New york takes on. But i don't even know if that makes any sense so yeah john wall stuck there i think so as well but before we head out my friends you gotta give the hard sell. It's that time l. Everybody why everybody needs to take out the nba draft. I'm bias. i think it's a good site. I put in a lot of work so the cotton is going to be consistent. I think i just november that got as of yesterday put like nine videos in the last fourteen days or something like that. I'm ready get twenty. One started so. I have two more videos or or three for the division west in the western conference after those have a couple of players that already have in mind i saw with some returning players for the twenty twenty one draft and yeah man i'm just gonna put out contact consistently what they won't see for me is like a mock won't do a mock attack january and i'm not a real fan of coming out with the mock drafts so when it happened player college game yet so you know 'cause i mean you think about last year nico manion was projected lottery. Pick so was cold anthony Stewart tyrel terry wasn't on anybody's draft. Boards neither was o'connell mcdaniels mcdaniels. Exactly so yeah won't do mock until at least january but hopefully we have enough games by them. Because you know today's the first day. I think it might be the first official day of the first big college basketball season. We've already seen quite a few games castle. So and then you know what this thanksgiving holiday at the is gonna be a superspreader. All for the season can go on and get cancelled again so but yeah. I mean as far as nba draft junkies the contents just going to be consistent. Apply doesn't also somewhat of a rebrand as far as like the logo and just kind of the overall design of the side and the in the video. So i've been working on that the last couple of days. I'm looking forward to getting started. And once again you can on over to nba drunk on youtube where there's over thirteen thousand subscribers enjoying it and then you got. Nba donkeys dot com and of course his podcast nba draft junkies which you can also catch on dash radio and of. Moore's run the floor podcast. Yes now the back. It'd be more general basketball topics pm on dash radio every monday at nine. Am eastern ten pm. Sorry ten am central and eight am pacific every monday at eight. Am your time. that's good. I can't wait. I said it's it's such a great time for you to go ahead and seeing all do as far as nba draft. Dunkin's you've got so much again on the plate. I've never known you otherwise not have so much on your plate but i wish you continued success my friend. I know you're headed back your soon. I know i've got the laker hollick's on tap. I wanted to save you from them. We're going to go in and discuss more free agency. Because i know. I'm going to hear more from laker tom on that coming up here in a few. But i wanted to wish you and your entire family. A truly blessed and happy thanksgiving. My friend says it's gonna post tonight. And i wish you a safe and happy holiday season and i will beginning with you soon before the season starts. I want to hear more of your thoughts. We're going to go into deep. I would like to invite you back together as always going to go into the hardcore as far as before the season starts coming up here next month and talk ended up on some of the teams in the eastern western conference an really get a low down on who might have the advantage tech season. If you wanna come back sounds good. Sounds good all right there. it is again. he's coming back. I gotta guarantees sweet right there while. He's probably rolling his eyes as we speak. But it is. My good friend in need is raphael barlow. You want to check out everything that he's doing today at nba draft well. My friend is been great talking to you once again. I look forward to our conversations here in just a short amount of time where we'll be going ahead and previewing the nba season. I look forward to that and so much more right here with you at the lakers fast-break cod guest.

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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 11/15/18

MAD MONEY W/ JIM CRAMER

46:03 min | 2 years ago

Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 11/15/18

"The fact of the matter was he this is story that is not well now, let stuck in my mind about it is this was in the White House, but it really should be especially maybe now. Oh my God. Rachel, Maddow and MSNBC present bagman. Listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Why mission is simple to make you money. I'm here to level the playing field, all investors. There's always a work at summer, and I promised to help you. Find mad money starts now. Welcome money. Welcome to Kramer, one make friends. I'm just trying to save you some money. My job not just entertain. But to educate teach put it in context. So call me at one eight hundred seven for three CBC or tweet me at you Kramer. I know the glass half full glass hip empty motif has become a cliche. But right now, the facts are being bent by the prison, you use to judge this market and the perception of most investors of the big institutional kind at this moment is actually quite negative. Even day where the average is managed to rebound. Dow gaining two hundred nine points as some becoming one point six percent. And it has been two point one one point seven two percent. So I want to spend some time tonight explaining why events that would normally be viewed as positives. Don't come off that way, because I know that's causing a lot of confusion out there. I let me give you the prevailing negative zeitgeist Benz. The prisons light into a dark forboding spector case that wasn't dispelled by today's actions. At least I believe the specter. That's haunting this market can be summed up into words late cycle as in. We're in the last part of an economic expansion the latte made us part of the cycle. See might as well just forget about the possibility of next year's earnings will be lower disappointing who determines these summits by rope. When the fed I starts tightening economy can handle it, especially this time because rates were so low to begin with eight quarter pro point ice ago, but as rates go higher and higher and higher. It becomes obvious that the Konami has to sputter it's been a long time since the economy sputtered, but it's clearly doing so and even fed chair. Jay. Gal admitted last night that he's concerned business might be slowing as recently as six weeks ago. He was seeing it different tomb one of a totally robust environment adding fuel to the fire European Asia slowing to the former because maybe Brexit, not to mention instability in tying government. And of course, we demand from their biggest trading partner, China, the fall from China's obvious the economic reports on the PR seawall strong, by the standards of any other country are much weaker than the Chinese authorities. But like why because the tires that's why so many of our companies are working diligently to move manufacturing out of China or mitigate as they call it in their conference calls, and that panic has now become palpable. It's not all that hard to judge. There's a thing called the freight index which shows worldwide shipping data that's heavily tied the Chinese trade, and it's been plummeting. Like a stone. Periodically here that one of these two major chords that are driving the bearish. Tune might actually go. Today. We were doing our usual. Midday swoon, for instance, when we got word from press reports that there might be a truce with China over the limitation of the automatic twenty five percent tariff on January big jump from ten percent right now, it would lend some credence to the belief that the damage is reversible. But who knows if it's even true dependence to trade issue is just the tip of a much larger iceberg between these two countries, which is that this ministration is a policy of containment towards China. And the White House is happy to stop trading with them unless they were tale the geopolitical ambitions, or at least that was vice president Pence his plan out one at the Hudson institute, a little more than a month ago, if his view reflects Trump's thinking that any kind of truce tariffs, but be suckers bed prison can also be bent toward the white out by any talk that Jay pal may be willing to put through one more rate hike in December. And then stop or at least wait until it's prudent for putting through another three. So so far that to those suckers bet if you believe that you've. Lost a lot of money. However, a potential change in pals hard line and anti empirical position certainly seems possible. If you listen to pal last night on that later in the show for now, let's just say, I know from harsh persons periods that the fed is capable of change you Don, but let's presume that both rays of hope failed to pan out for whatever reason, let's presume that neither President Trump nor Jay pal worries about the end of the cycle because Trump cares. More about starving. China to prevent it from cheating. Great power status, and pal cares. More about taming inflation than maintaining strong Konami. Well, how does that prison? Tin our worldview. Well, let's start with this earnings because that's really what the terms a lot of places. Let's talk about WalMart. Okay. Now. I didn't look at the action the stock of WalMart and WalMart reported portent very early in the morning. I looked at the numbers which actually excellent excellent everyone. It was staggering to behold what they're doing in Bentonville. Honestly. And this is the stock was up just like the stock of home people or the stock basis before them they reported, but I knew that was the suckers play to and sure enough. The stock got hit. Why? Because of the late cycle prison, I rd instantly not that anything was wrong with WalMart. Just the opposite. Everything was good. So good that it can't ever be better. Because we're at the end of the cycle late cycle. It's become almost circular reasoning. The stock can't go higher because it's the end of the cycle, and it's the end of the cycle because the stocks down. And that's exactly what happened. I've over the Macy's cops call a couple of times. There was nothing woman. I take JC Penney. Puertas some miserable numbers. So the end of cycle maniacs have decided pennies finished and its competitors. We banged down by Texas merchandise memo, the appel maker's row Ford and VF court TV h were literate tonight. Nordstrom power company. Right williamson. They've sell a lot of stuff including well. Let's just say they sell a lot of house goods. Well, they reported widely panned Endo cycle numbers. Tomorrow could be another tough retail day. We see this all the time in housing. Here's a group that's been on the business end of the Fed's Howard search for some time. The home builder's themselves have been blasted to smithereens, or at least we thought so in a bear market. It's never enough. Even though you. They have to have your head buried in the sand like an ostrich. It's not know that housing is slowed in this country. These stocks got way this laid the way today again when the see of Katie Holmes yesterday said there's been a pause in housing in the last five or six weeks a year over year decline in orders that crushed the whole group gave me homes plunged fifteen percent told what six percent Lanark up piper said that's the end of cycle talking again. It was so brutal. That also pulled down a home, a Home Depot, which in bad times is regarded as a retailer, but as a company whose fortunes riser full with home sales that makes Home Depot a housing play. So therefore, it's good quarter. Just reported was the last good quarter. At least according to the late cycle prison. And right now, that's the only person that the market cares about. So this talk of own depot goes to lower doesn't matter. What a company says anymore. Frankly, I mean Cisco ROY reported literally its best quarter since the nineties and its stock went from being up a dollar to being flat after the press. Release came out. Now's it happens. Cisco CEO Chuck Robbins came on the show, he explained the positives which then chased off the bay. Bears. But I regard that stuck is an outlier now this end of cycle. Logic raises had everywhere apple stock has been pummeled seemingly just Aven for Gad's appoint because it's the end of the telco cycle coinciding with coming recession. Then we'll make it too expensive to buy thousand phones. That's why so many vessels bleed apples. No orders cozy. It's unit sales. I think Abbas got so much verse revenue going forward that there's not nearly as much cyclicality involved here. But obviously other than days like today where you get a little snapback rally stocking United very quickly the bearish narrative tends to dominate. Oh. And then tonight. Well, let's let's put it out there. Invidia severely supported zeitgeist. What we part execution part e guessed it late cycle. Now says bottom on look at the fed changes course, and says no more rate hikes until next year unless the data gets more positive or President Trump gets a trade deal with China, or even does this kind of truce, then the end the psycho proponents may have to change their tune in the market can rocket higher, otherwise, though rallies. Like today are going to be used to reposition for folios because the bears have the late cycle. Film, and they just will not let it go. Sandy and Kansas City. Jimmy, big Berea from Topeka, Kansas. Nice Advil on the show. Thank you for taking my call been holding onto the G for quite a while. Now with the mid terms over wanted to get your take on whether I should keep holding it or fold it. Okay. Well, my thing was he said that ceiling when you can really own you got to sell the rest, see why. Because it's got the big position with constellation. If you believe over the long term that cannabis is going to be good. I think constellations good, and I think canopies good. It's got the best balancing that matters. A great deal to me. Tom in Texas, Tom. Hi, Jim won't watch your first time caller by companies International Paper, ticker right p. Plus, it's so bad company. A no, no, it's an excellent company. Excellent. Here's the problem a lot of Mr. Sutton student. Good shot a lot of companies expanded attic, capacity. There's too much supply. And that's what's pressuring it. I think International Paper you're buying back stock doing a great job of my sevens. West rocket has been severely disappointing. But I think the company self is doing a good job. It's just that. There's too much supply. And there's not much you can do even with good demand. Let's go to David in Alabama. David. Claim Adnan not much how about you. A little bit. But not walk hall. All your. Love about eighteen with physical year. About the same at two on a day moving average. I don't know going to go up or down straight with congress being locked up. Like, it is I don't see in its way and being put out chain foam sales. I agree with you that I don't think any will happen. I do know that the best moments to buy the gun stocks. So to speak are when people fear that there will be legislation. They buy a lot of guns stocks go higher. I start ruger's a fine company. I have you know, my family has guns. It's not, you know, not pro NRA. I'm not not in a I think it's a good company. It's not my Cup of tea, but understand that it's part. It's the prison that determines how stocks trade right now. And unfortunately, they're still have the microphone Omay money tonight. Jay pal may have reversed on his position. So what does that mean for the home gamer on getting my thoughts, then news of GE, partying speaker you stake? Initially sent the stock soaring for it came back down. What happened here what what's going on with cheap? I'm gonna help you. And I've got these who's one of the few profitable companies in the cannabis industry 'em ardine as it begins trading in canon spic with Kramer. Don't miss a second of that money. Follow at Jim Cramer on Twitter. I have a question. Tweet graver hashtag mad tweets sin Jimmy mail to mad money at CNBC dot com or give us a call at one eight hundred seven four three CNBC miss something bed. Tha mad money dot C. B C dot com. Brought to you by fidelity where decisions are clear and costs are lower than ever. Learn more about our industry leading value and open an account today at fidelity dot com slash trading. Fidelity brokerage services LLC member NYSE SIPC. Thank you. Dallas fed President Robert Kaplan for all you have done to avert. The coming end of cycle slowdown that the stock market so often singles these days, of course, so loud that it's now including the credit markets to Altay we heard it back and forth debate about whether in last night's conversation that six PM thing with Kaplan fed chief Jerome Powell that whether has pout grown more dovish versus his previously hawkish stand on the economy talk about a false dichotomy involving irrelevant birds of a feather. What matters is that rather than general journalism practitioner like Judy Woodruff Eskin Jerome Powell in a long winded and totally unscripted talk about the economy. The fabled October third interview that started the slow motion train wreck of a bear market. This time we had a thoughtful discussion between two rigors people about the hazards of raising the federal funds rate rapidly minute. If you parse every word of what you're. Own pal said last towels convent YouTube will miss the big picture, which is the context of the questioning Kaplan did not ask about runaway inflation he cannot ask about how the economy how to how to ensure that the economy doesn't overheat. He did not ask let rising wages his questions will almost all designed to show the palace growing very concern about the worldwide slowdown that's coming here. And now he's cognizant that the rate hikes in the bond off are causing a tightening that could be more powerful than any previously thought Catholics questions allow power walk back. His sadly intemperate comments from October. Commonsense seem to be almost blindly oblivious to some of the more worrisome data out there. So many years have told me about how quickly things have cooled. So many of them are baffled that we could find ourselves in this late cycle dilemma that wasn't supposed to curse Osun that come onto told me that to say something please warn like we got yesterday from KP homes where the CEO said home sales just slowed dramatically. Now, let me go back eleven years for one moment eleven years ago. I'd be. Get in here. The same kind of talk about how pathetic seemed to be out of such out of safe. What was happening this time? With Wall Street. My sources were so darn good back. Then it was part was part of the diaster of Goldman Sachs alums who had sources pretty much everywhere. And I'd grown up with people who were now running very joints. We'd started at twenty years before they came to me one after another to say something toward I did unfortunate. Nothing. I was laughed at for bid a lunatic, Israel, Cassandra Beaumont. It was mortifying. But I was right. I did my best. And that time I made a resolution if I thought we would ever get back into one of these situations again, I promise myself. I'd be vocal about what could go wrong. Even if I knew wouldn't be as serious as the great recession after all the art of slowdowns that nonetheless can cause an awful lot of havoc in cost a lot of jobs, and that's what we're on the verge of here. That's what the markets are saying. That's what the see worry about off line at Gillette. Stunning OJ pal gets to he has. Want to be part of the late cycle. Man is keep hearing about he wants people know that he now understands that there's another side the slowing side the side with cracks the side that Robert Kaplan was telling you about with the questions. Yes is a two eight. Yes. Get four more hikes. Absolutely. No. We only get one that we wait Palino's now that normalizing interest rates isn't the goal. No one knows what normal is these days. Anyway, he recognizes that his goal is not to hasten the so-called Endo cycle talk that pretty much everyone here from accepts as the gospel as the outcome of his rate hikes and the president's autopilot tariff increases. So thank you opera. Kaplan for drug really forgiving pal the opportunity to walk us back from the precipice about ever directly contradicting himself or looking foolish. We know pals now concern that we actually could be at the end of the economic expansion. That's a soft reversal of his earlier position from just one month ago when he was so wedded the explosive quoth conceit that he talked about. Overshooting with rate hikes to stay about inflation. The guy's clearly paying attention did it date at now, you know, what that's all you can ask for. And by the way, big reason why we were able to rally today. At fidelity, you get value. You won't find anywhere else decisions. They're clear costs they're lower than ever and account fees. 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It's down seventy five percent from its highs little over two years ago rather than going over cheese relentless decline yet and can tonight I wanna focus on one particular aspect of the story because the funny thing happened on the way to the eight dollar forum a pair of analyst took control the companies to the point where they're commentary now carries a lot more weight than management's, even as you just put in the highly qualified new CEO Larry cope, does it matter. Cope is not the guy. Investors are looking to hear for guidance to the firm's future. See this stock has steadily stumbled bore for the past couple of years to very bearish analysts have emerged his GE's main detractors, I'm talking about Stephen Tusa J P Morgan and John who was originally toy back, but now works with the boutique research firm, coordin- Haskett, these two people have been Negga. On Cini for ages now and they have been relentlessly and painfully right? The price targets consistently lower than the stock price or the price targets of the rest of the analyst community. But every time GE approaches those levels, what do they do to sit inch fine. A new reason to lower their targets yet. Again, some would say they're like Lucy pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown. But the point here is that Tueson inch have nailed every step of the way to the point where I don't think this stock will be able to rebound until east to bear sign off on its turnaround plans, and they sure haven't done so yet. So how the heck to be get to a place where a pair of Barish analysts seem to hold the fate of one of the most important companies in the world General Electric, or at least General Electric stock in their hands. Okay. It all started may of twenty sixteen when Stephen to resume coverage of one General Electric with an underweight rating and at twenty seven dollars price target at the time the stock. Doc was trading. Just thirty in a massive two hundred and thirty five page note. Tusa the earnings and cash flow forecast into question. Now, I want to emphasize just how bolt gutsy and looney this call was when to resume coverage on g with an underway at Jp Morgan, no less. He was the only analyst with the equivalent of a sell rating on the stock and no one would join him in the cell camp for about a year, the more jaundiced view out there. Please keep in mind something that I think's important g always has the ton of investment banking to do. Right. And it was obvious the two so out to help you his research clients, even it was at the expense of the investment banking side of P Morgan. It's equally obvious that you Jamie diamond wasn't going to rain this guy in you know, what I say good for Tusa. Good for J P Morgan the integrity. Here has been a roic the whole way like captain Ahab going after Moby Dick to sit never wavers by Tober twenty sixteen. He's talking about the risk of possible caught for the secrecy dividend cut. If. The free cash flow gets even worse than General Electric announces plans emerged the oil and gas business with Baker Hughes. Big oil service, play Tusa unmoved. He was also growing weary of the core. Industrial segment something I asked Jeff Immelt when he was on the set with me on February of twenty seventeen take a listen to this. J P Morgan Stephen Tuesday, who you know as a cell on your stock. He saying that the industrial segments profits ended one point five billion dollars lower than initial guidance. This was a missed one already dramatically lowered barred, Jeff I mean, this is cool and you back out to number last year. Overall segment earnings with both verticals industrial roughly flat with two thousand fifteen we're forecasting three or five percent organic growth hundred basis points improvement could backlog good momentum. I take the strong two thousand seventeen position in two thousand seventeen. Like, we're. March of last year. The stock was still hanging tough at thirty dollars. That's been to begin his so called cash series where he put east free cash flow outlook stuff. I just referenced metal clip under microscope. He argued that the bulls were being wildly optimistic, including of course, CEO about the company's cash situation and earnings prospects for twenty seventeen especially since you seem to be using divestitures to fund its dividend payments, which is never good position to be finally after g reported another not so hot quarter to sit got some company may have twenty seventeen when John edge. Then if your Bank, downgraded the stock toy sale and cut his price targets twenty four. He made many of the same arguments like overvaluation, ugly cashflow situation, but he also rolled out a new one, even if you got rid of its then you Jeff Immelt inch claimed it would be native because male successor would have to come clean and lower expectations month later, we learned that John Flynn or would be taking over from effective August one and while the stock initially rally inches view would be vindicated. Frequently sure up when she reported. Next quarter. They lowered the boom when you talking about serious weakness in their power business, something to said been harping about for ages John rim before you back was also getting increasingly negative slashing his earnings. Forecasts raising serious doubts about the dividend. Which is another thing that I asked him out about blank during that faded that worry twenty seventeen interview. Through the bears. There's a lot of credit shaped him, we're gonna throw your Bank credit. Dutch Bank says are we should be concerned that maybe perhaps that you can't do bigger dividend increases. What you know? Why love we talked about on the show all the time. Thirty billion dollars back to investors air saying that the free cash flow of thirty billion dollars back last year. Okay. So you're you're playing forecast we twenty billion dollars plus this year. So what you say the past situation could become serious. They don't just wrong. He's just won't Jim thirty billion dollars and buyback and dividends in two thousand and sixteen. Okay. Another twenty billion dollars by back independence in two thousand seventeen. That's pretty strong. Of course, they wished they had every penny of that back because reality when you clued up coming chargers, they were bleeding money from the eyeballs, and this is when things really started to snowball for genie company port or some downright horrible results than in November of last year Flannery held an analyst meeting where he did indeed cut the dividend revealed some disturbing details about the core business quitting. The fact that Jesus dividend had been larger than its dust. You'll cash flow for years cutting turns out the bears were right all along. Now is twenty eighteen rolled around these two bears. Oracle's started writing about g much more regularly and the company kept reinforcing their arguments by reporting more and more negative facts. Like, the twenty one point two billion dollars in charges for an obscure long term care insurance product can fifteen years ago that seemed to come out of nowhere as Tueson inch dug deeper new General Electric, they found even more problems with seriously impaired power business. The underfunded pitch diabilities and more which led to them. Continually lowering the price targets in January. And she even predicted that it would be removed from the Dell. Industrial average now John Flannery tried to turn things around the announced a restructuring, including the merger of GE's transportation with wab tech and spin off of the healthcare business. But we just kept finding out more new negatives negatives that we really should have known about a long time before for awhile GE's stock stayed stuck between twelve and fourteen twelve and thirteen and I think a big reason for this is that Tusa took his price target till eleven in March. And then he left it differ months. That's how influential heap become when he finally cut its forecast. Ten bucks in September, the stock plunged more than twelve percent over the next four days finally at the beginning of October g fire Flannery. I guess he was too much of an insider fix the company's deep-seated problems. I mean who knows they don't tell you. And they brought it in the great Larry cope with Danner Tusa wondered if there might be more serious issues at play predicted another dividend cut, then about a month ago, John inch left to at your Bank, resurfacing coordin- Haskett. He published some negative thoughts on General Electric say it would take a very long time for the company turn around regardless of who's at the helm, then I'll cover twenty fifth too. So warns the may be double counting. Twelve to eighteen billion dollars worth of assets. Which is a big deal when you're talking about a company with trouble, balancing, then at St John inside, the company could end up owing billions more for the horrific won't term care insurance policies, then the company reported at the end of October, and it proved it to century GAO, but eliminates dividend tricky to penny per share. They said they'd be organized the power division taking a twenty two billion dollar. Goodwill impairment charge for that business. Quitting part of the just what? Oh, and we learn at the SEC expanded the scope of their investigation to the company, that's when the stock plunged to the single digit the two inches. They just kept hammering it two weeks ago. Instead, he could potentially see the stocks raking five bucks. Sumita cheeky capital doesn't audibly become insolvent out. Now he's talking about escalating liquidity risk then last week to cut his price story at two sex. You really think he thinks real problem? Here is the fundamentals are deteriorating. But here's the bottom line Stephen to sin John inch have done incredible brave and amazingly rigorous work on General Electric. They nailed. The story every step of the way. Even when the company itself seemed to be totally clueless. Perhaps something even worse about its own prospects. Which is why you do need to take you from these two gentlemen, and wait until the real problems. They say are saw before you get bullish. And they sure aren't there yet? Oh, one last idea you want to put the past behind you clean up the past. How about a cope Steve Tusa townhall to clear the air? Get some much needed truth and reconciliation Jimmy in California. Jimmy, hey, thank you for taking my call. My pleasure. My rubs you walk in you since mad money on CNBC may maybe fan to to thank you. I recently bought shares of synchrony S Y F and now WalMart's any their contract with that's by of. Risky lending practices. And that been followed by class action lawsuits. Investors also, alleging risky lending practices. You may know why claims WalMart just suing because they don't wanna deal at the end of the contract night. I mean, that's why it still has contracts with Amazon. I'm trying to hold on to ask. Why? Not too. We've got we've got Warren Buffett buying gigantic state. Thirty five million shares in J P in the best of the best. Why don't swap out of the second rate and go right to the best. There's no reason not to own them. Best of breed by I don't want you to think about buying, gene. I'm Tilson people change their minds. John Stephen Coosa badge. Listen guys for really being hirola in having such pain taken to go one on one with the top brass and heart. That's the largest cannabis cultivator North America today. What's ahead for the company as it hits the tape in Canada? I'm finding out then in a volatile market like this one the best defense is a good offense. That's why we play 'em I diversified. So call me or tweet and don't miss tonight. Addition of the lightning round state with. Always trying to get a read on the kid abyss business, especially now is flu Cana and Jeff Sessions the old drug warrior is out at the Justice department. These talks aren't always worth investing in at the moment, as I think many of them are way too hot in some of them too small, but someday this is going to be industry. It's absolutely we're following which brings me to 'em. Harding group, professional management company with partners partners with marijuana growers and retailers to help them set up shop and run their facilities. Officially now, we introduce you to this company a couple of months ago, but there's been so many changes since then 'em ardine just came public in cannon v a reverse takeover, and now trades under the symbol and J A R in town, and that's all today. More data announce it will be merging with grow force. That's a Canadian cannabis producer. That's long had a close relationship with this company. It's all very sunny, but it's also kind of actually little confusing. So why did sort things out by checking him with where she got him? He is the chairman and CEO of 'em hor gaming, and this ego. Get a better sense of what this all means. Mr. got him. Welcome back to Matt money. Thank you. Jim. Great to be here. Okay. So can you just for our viewers talk about what these events due to for your company? What it now looks like versus when you were on. And what the prospects are. Absolutely. So MR dean is elevating the conversation today. We are a multi country operator with the announcement of acquiring grow force. Grow force as we talked about last time outside the US focused on Canada and federally legal markets and our dean decided to take that business and create the largest operator in the global canvas base combined forty-nine facilities cultivation extraction, retail largest operator. Jim we produce and sell more legal cannabis until Ray and can't be combined. We're very excited with this opportunity. I think a lot of our viewers will say, well, wait a second. Those companies are valued in the multiple billion ten billion dollars. Why is it that M Ordine does not have a similar valuation, and I'm not a assault? I'm just saying what the confusion for people would just started training today. We always placed our business as a business with EBITDA multiple not as a business that happens to be in the candidate space. So he's been attractively value for institutions about thirty five percent of our company. Taste owned by long only institutions long only money. So we got this most. Most of the smartest capital as we built our business over time. And we're we just started trading today and we're off to the races. So I've always priced business. Very rationally. Okay. So the two companies as one what is the ratio between a growing and being the say that the pick said more so so to speak of of helping other companies. So right now, we have a hybrid approach in some markets. We act as agent like you mentioned where management company, we manage assets in long term contracts and certain key markets. We wanna take ownership economic so in Massachusetts in Canada in Nevada in certain key markets, we want to take ownership more flagship opportunity. So right now, we're about seventy five twenty five between seventy five agent. Twenty five is principal over time. As we expand our business. We intend to make apple injections and key markets and really get to a fifty fifty between managing assets. And owning assets. That's terrific now. Kinda what it's like up in Canada right now. Yeah, we had the hoopla. And now, we're just kind of every day. Managing are the state's getting together. It seems like each places a little bit different. It's hard to navigate just give me the lay of land. It's great to be an operator. Frankly, we have produced and sold more legal cannabis over one hundred twenty five thousand kilos, we know the market has an operator not in that. And now with capital where also a smart capital allocators. So we're looking at markets like Canada, we've seen the capital markets really run ahead of the advancements operationally. We know what it takes to grow the cannabis extract it and sell it into the markets. Now, it's about being an asset manager before is being an acid owner who owned what licenses and what markets now it's about monetize those assets. And that's where the operational excellence of 'em really gonna shine going into these assets operating these assets, really creating real revenue real EBA. So right now we see in Canada the first way from a capital market standpoint is done. Now the second wave which we thrive in the second wave. We can come in optimize assets form better faster, more efficient than our first pover- competitors. That's what we see right now in Canada. That's what we see in other key markets in the US. Are there some analysts estimates that I could? Find out about when about EBA positive when what are the the total just more for your business and whether revenue say protections out there because I don't have them. That's right. We just started trading today. Jim we expect to have research. I had all this coverage very soon here. But just to give you a backdrop we were positive heap Othello last year positive with other show real revenue, really. But the and we're going into new markets as the most achieved capital allocators most operators. So we intend to grow that base into more and more casual more and more as we as we expand into new markets. We'll be coming. When I hear that kind of thing. I think about I was with a very large liquor cut the other day, and they said, you know, what we have to be in cannabis. I was with a major food company the other day, and they said, you know, what we have to be in cannabis. What are you here about the big players saying, you know, what it's now legal? We have to be in. They definitely should be in it. We talked to strategic all the time. We are educating and discussing very interesting opportunities right now, it's important for the alcoholic, the tobacco and other strategic cosmetics to come into this market and really partner with an operator. It's very efficient to look at Martinez. An operator we can help teach the six we can help them expand with our vast footprint in a very scalable way. We think this is the right time for digital strategic that come in. So when you get a decision a vote like we had just last week with the new state. Do you suddenly like bring people down to that state and say, we'll miss here's what we're looking at it. I mean like you mentioned Massachusetts they really haven't gotten going yet. Massachusetts will turn on soon. Michigan is another great state. We have a playbook of certain markets. We wanna be a capital allocators in and take flagship or principal positions. Michigan Massachusetts being one of the the two examples of of those states. We we have been operating or consulting over thirteen states as our history over nine years being in the legal cannabis space. We know the markets really, well, we have a very substantive playbook of where we want to be. So this is this is all falling within our strategy as he states are opening up, medical, and then medical and recreational. So it's all working out very well for us. We have a very very nice tailwind here to move forward. Well, thank you so much for coming on explaining all very exciting developments at Martine group that I got him. You've heard him before. Now, you just heard even positive I like that chairman CEO of ama- heart Pardee now, just you know, it's M J A R D. I N lot people spend their money back into the brain. It is. Are you ready? Let's start with that. Mike in Michigan. Mike all. Hey, mike. Yes. Fan with her while now, and I I know they're in a buyout deal with Paolo. Wondering if you think a good time arbitrageurs, let's just take the prophet run reaping, frankly, because we don't know how that kills gonna work out Tyler Tyler crammer what's up man from Philly. Good deal, man. What's up? What's up Joe ball? Calm and. Three down cannot because you got by five key coming by the three down might be. I let's go to Eric in New York. Our Big Apple Boulia stuck too. Eric. I know you're not interested to hear. Fintech has been getting specially loft financial, but they have a revenue. The trading at of credit now, I mean after I gotta tell ya. Days copies come every day, the Chinese cubby brings so many of their copies being but very few of them actually work and just when I don't want to. Steve in Florida state. Thank you for taking my call. Of course, the vice you always give freely. Thank you. Mccalls Golding stock portfolio FC you the best automakers, but I don't really care for the automakers. So I'm gonna say. Take some off the table. It's to Arctic group kind of Mike and North Carolina. Mike, my bike jambo bigger better. Burlington North Carolina fantastic. What's up my sons? David Alton, David Harrison, all Clemson university watcher show. Religiously what you did. Educate. Not I lock AM. Oh, great company ninety. Cat company run. And clearly, well, that's my kind of company fist environment. Let's go to Glen in Indiana. Glenn? How are you? I'm good. How about you? Thank you for taking my phone. Call calling about games dot guy had to raise to risking. The only thing that it'd be like is take two interactive group is making comeback. It's been brutal. Let's go to Martin cowboy Mark. Hey, kramer. Blind with finally get some respect. Well, I mean, look, I think the visit one of those teachers I mean, you know, if you want to spec it now what I'm not gonna fight. You don't fight against the specs in that area. Let's go to Kevin in New York. Kevin. How are you? Kremlin. My my thought that has a thicker ec- econo-. Know. And we had to buy the highest quality oils now because the patches so dicey Encana is one of those. Let's go to Cameron in Washington cameras. Third. Hey, go a good game tonight. What's up? Weight watchers. You know, what's been beat up lately? Like many Christmas terrific, but they didn't make the quarter. So it just show me situation. They take a pass on. Let's go to Nancy in Virginia. Nancy? Hi there. Good to talk to you. Ask you with the price of oil tanking role the wide. I'd like to know if you feel that the pick for dividend faith, and are you still positive on? And would you be a fire of British Petroleum? The answer is p p absolutely just raised the dividend. The cash flows amazing doing a lot of things. Right. It's absurdly bad. Which is why the chapel trust you search? You can follow along as excellent plus dot com. Club is buying it right here. And that plays a foot. The crown is sponsored by TD Ameritrade. Tomorrow kickoff. The trading day was squawk on the street. From post nine at the NYSE. Yeah. You'd probably say we have enough paint in a bear market. David. Goes again is on the floor on my cuts. My Brioni Kacic. It all starts at nine AM eastern. Okay. Dokey bears are making it clear that except for daily today daring control. And when the market is topsy turvy is this one it's important to make sure that you are diversified be able to handle whatever the bears throw at you. Or even the bulls. And that is why we play 'em diversify this. We you call me, you told me your top five holdings, and I tell you if you put folio is diversified enough different sectors. Maybe need to mix. It up though. I up we have a tweet from at Dan Vermont, and he says hi, Dan from Vermont here back bar, FireEye, analii square and jet blow. Okay. Bank of America largest Bank. Okay. Fire. I we had them on this week man at thirty very good job. So that's a nice cybersecurity squares payments company, it's actually different from Bank of America analii is a company that is invest in different different bonds, but very opaque and jet blues aerospace, I'm going to get rid of anti union. It's been needs healthy, I'm going to give him work. Okay. So we got we had a drug company, we got a payments company. We've got a tech a cybersecurity company a Bank an airline. And that is what yet to do. An only goes it just goes. All right. I need Charles in Maryland, Charles. Good afternoon. How're you doing today? This is the best day ever. How about you? Okay. Hanging in hanging in there. Good listen. My my stock star. Comcast Home Depot. At sun mobile by your and Intel. Here is someone who likes high quality cop. Exxon Mobil art, so a company world fantastic bounty in the yield dividend is good Pfizer really good dividend. Excellent quarter. I got hit then drug company. Nice home. Keep post stock was shelled today. Remember today's day if you buy it you made money in the last thirty three years. Thank you, Larry Williams, Intel cream of the crop semiconductor company. And Comcast I worked for Comcast by Calvin Tussaud and the stock is hopping. So we got cable we got semi we got oil. We got retail. We got drug. This is. Perfection now, he's gotta go to Mark in California. Mark. Right back. Catch ya. Thank you for your show. And all that you do for us home game. What's up? I five stocks, and I like to play am I diversified? Okay. My first one is alliance resource partners A R L P. Thank of America. Right. See Macy's him Lydia in the DA and to hovers TWA. Oh, Jim am. I diversify. Sometimes there's diversification times. There's just I eight we have to do some first aid versus Caja, America's largest Bank lions partners. I mean, you know, that is I mean, I forgot that they still had that Cole. I rest in peace coal situation. We are not going to endorse that company even for just playing 'em. I diversify. Let me see AARP. But we will do this. We will do this. We will Cape. And video. It's just reported. Semiconductor? Macy's wasn't nearly as bad pine rivers. Another one. I can't really figure out what they own. We went at Bank of America. We had a Macy's. We have been video, and we need again, we need healthcare. So we're picking Merck tonight and we needed a diversified industrial. We're getting picking United Technologies because what we don't want to do is have too many of these companies that we really don't know what they don't Tom Pennsylvania. Please, tom. Hey, Jim, thanks for taking my call. I wanna know what you think of my five or holding. Okay. Honeywell apple bowling, WalMart and take two. On screen portfolio here Honeywell. Yes, chapel trust name, and we know Darius pm ticking. Katie Mathie com. Just just going right there to the next level. What tape Cody pill? I take two fouls. Zelenika fantastic Comey's held up much penalty. Other gaming companies Boeing Boeing is unparalleled manufacture the fed into the end apple award. I can say it's best days can still be in WalMart that wasn't good quarter. Stop reacting it tape retail tax aerospace, purse, Biden industrial gaming, that's what I want to say. Some quarter tonight. We got yes. Truly disappointing numbers from Invidia with an inventory issue. I think it'll clear out not anytime soon, we got truly disappointing forecast. Five aerials a great American company. It doesn't have the kind of seven doctor orders they're necessarily could be happening right now. Nordstroms did not deliver good quarter. The last quarter was exceptional. So that somewhat surprising Williams Sonoma did not believe quarter people like the last quarter was amazing. Incredible. Like say, there's always a bull market summer. I've com plan just for you right here. Mid money. I'm Jim Cramer. I will see you to Morrow.

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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 07/29/19

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Mad Money w/Jim Cramer 07/29/19

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There's the real world and then there's the stock market world. Those are two very different animals and that's how we get every day like today where the Nasdaq cuts back down point four percent yes some five hundred backslid point one percent the Dow L. Jones Industrial Average valley twenty nine points in anticipation of the feds upcoming rate cut the first in ten years allow me to set the stage on Wednesday fed chief shape how we'll give us his read on the economy and hopefully announced a core point rate cut to breathe new life into what has become a more business situation for many different industries now. I know there'll be some sticklers who say that with unemployment employment this lowest level since the nineteen sixties it is ridiculous for the Fed to even think about cutting rates others like president trump at twenty five basis point cut isn't enough the president's N._F._C. tweeted that the Federal Reserve Sway Way too tight monetary policy has been holding back the economy. Did it again today and he's wrong when you're trying to hire currency get stronger versus the rest of the world right now our rates are much higher than the other developed countries so the dollar is very strong strong and that makes her internationally oriented companies far less competitive we also know could hurt the auto industry when you have higher short term rates and housing industry both of which are weak wait now pals no dope to his credit realizes that the last rate hike in December was a rate hike to four. It's shocked the business community of course the mini bear market and stocks. They took six months to recover so pal wants to cut rates and he has all the justification he needs. Thanks to the uncertainty caused by yes. The person's trade war we know trump's towers have slowed the economy. We've heard consequential constable. We're executives. Keep complaining at the tariffs of fruits and expansion last week we spoke to Nick Ache and see see over recollection power neutral but the largest power transmission company in the country and he told us about the slowdown in power consumption. It's real it's not something that is is fungible or political okay. Normally the Fed might be reluctant to start cutting so soon after the last thing because nobody likes to admit when they've made a mistake. It's kind of what's happening but pal can just blame trump is to take responsibility for that makes it easier for you to do the right thing now. It's not just the tariffs and Boeing may need to haul production the 737 Max and if that happens did you know could knock a half a percentage point offer G._D._p.. Growth yes. That's how important Boeing is the economy plus. There are tons of ailey retailers. I would mention them. Their stocks traded a dollar less. We can't talk about but they're going to be some major major layoffs as we get closer. Maybe they make it to the holiday season. Maybe they don't in short. We looked landscape. I think it's clear that we actually do near. The Fed doesn't deliver. It'll be very bad for the economy because of the confidence shock but how about stocks what does this upcoming quarter-point would appoint rate cut mean for this market for your portfolio now. The numbers of quarter-point doesn't do too much right but when you beyond the numbers it's a very big deal. Let me tell you why for starters pisses people are going to be more gutsy about spending been enterprises wants to know the Fed is on their side. That's how does work also emboldened by the possibility destroying dog and finally start to cool down and it's been a major theme in every quarter every conference call. That's internationals like the dollar the dollar that of course dollar it will be gigantic win for our expert or something that translates directly into higher earnings warm Portland quarter-point rate cut will have a much larger impact on the market than it doesn't respond economy. That's because money managers have seen this movie before they have what I call a playbook the playbook for what to do in the Fed stars easy you sell high growth stocks that can thrive in any economic environment and you by the cyclicals the industrial companies that can deliver big earnings beat when the economy salaries because the Fed cuts now. Here's the thing here's the thing but the playbook it could be wrong. Maybe rate cut won't auto sales so you shouldn't by industrial auto exposure like three emory works lear. Maybe it won't trigger more construction. She should avoid caterpillar united. Rentals are Union Pacific but and this is the world's biggest but it doesn't matter right now play books wrong. Money measures know that you don't fight the Fed you don't fight the tape which means you don't go against the playbook that says by every one of those. What does it mean for you okay last week? Caterpillar reported a sub par quarter. When many people including myself mea culpa bought the numbers will come in better than fear or B._T._f.? It didn't work out that way and the stock got slammed point from one thirty eight hundred thirty one. However cat is exactly the kind of stock the playbook says you must buy in your eyes closed because the rate cut and now it's making a comeback book and change today as cat goes by the way so go the other industrials cat has more pin action than any stock? I follow the super grow stocks. They got pummeled again today. Something has become a common theme ever since service. Now Pay Pell reported numbers that Wall Street did like I actually put service delivered a good quarter we were from C._E._O.. John Donna last on the show he told the compelling story. I went back over to get into that. Is What maybe I missed something. I said Okay let me just reread the transcript. Let me read the speed. No it was great. However the playbook is spoken and that's why the stocks walks down a quick twelve bucks pay pal and the ad she deserves to go down economy as a company cut guidance but the pin action needs to has been extreme and it's all thanks to the Fed interest rotation? Don't believe it when people say the stocks must mean stocks going down must mean companies or slowing. It's not it's the rotation speaking. So what should you do about this rotation. Honestly while I I want you to be aware of what's going on hence what I've just been talking about. I think it's mistake for you to try the trade this kind of rotation of your home game then in fact I'll go. I'll go into this stocks. Now that are going down are the highest quality companies in this in this entire mortgage cloud case salesforce Workday V._M.. Ware Spunk Tulio Adobe these are excellent excellent companies but their stocks rarely and give you any kind of Bible pullback when you see a fed and use rotation like this one it means you can finally by the cloud case at a discount but remember there's no hurry we split the whole rate. Cut Trauma play out. There are always late the party managers who only figure out what I just told you add to the Fed takes action on Wednesday. Maybe that's when you make moot and the singles look cheap. They might see better business. There's a typical scarce yet. They're just not enough stocks but you have to deal with the endless trade talks with China and I don't necessarily think he'll be fruitful at the negotiating blob that will stop the industrial rally in attracts regardless of the Fed but the turbocharged growth things come on they'll do fine no matter what because they're riding the greatest secular trend out there the the digitisation of all business more Matt Leader Bottomline unique to accept that this rotation is happening. It's what's driving these stocks. The feds rate couple push money out of the cloud gains it into the industrials but your job is not to trade around rotations to find high quality stocks and stick with them for as long as the airline business. Stay strong so in this kind of rotation gives you a pullback in a group like the cloud kings. That's a long term buying up to just remember that you can afford to take your time again. There is no hurry but you have to start sometime and as it goes on. I don't think rotations -tations over this rotation we will be the best time to buy the stocks that we like so much emad money. Let's go to miles in Virginia miles. Hey Cream mcraven big band yours in the show. Thank thank you quick quick shout out to my investment team over Christopher Newport University in Virginia. My question is about enterprise chronics partners speed up since amounts in their dividend increase last month that I was wondering your thoughts on them for the WHOA directive warning like eating now wait until after earning or stay out I think could be excellent. I'm Brian on Russia Brazil Smart Vienne. Here's DOT com. Here's the deal. This is the only one the entire group discredit any real growth. That's why it's up twenty percent and why the dividend can keep this keep going higher. It is the company that's doing the most with the natural gas out there. All the other companies should be watching EP does because they're the best addict I liked the call all Ashwin in California as win. Jim Thank you so much for taking my call of course question is on planet fitness yet. They have a partnership with Kohl's look. I think appears this story with planet fitness. A lot of people feel the growth is run out. That's why they're going to places like Kohl's. I think that's nonsense. We like Chris Rondo. We like his story. We like how we got there. We look what he's saying. As far as I'm concerned turn this decline is a by opportunity planet fitness the world The stock world. They're very different times but no matter what you never fight the pet in you do not fight that paid tonight a rat stop in the eighty percent this year earlier today humbled announced he deal then the stock recovery. Should you be concerned about the initial reaction or the later reaction. I'm talking to you of exact sciences. We've long long bitten fans. You get the facts that are the stocks have Amazon and Google telling different stories. You'll want to go off the charts planet what is happening with tax and time to go for the goal. I've got an exclusive with the C._O.. Back Nico Eagle minds as long my favorite growth bowl stick requirement. Don't miss a second of mad money follow at Jim. Cramer on twitter have a question tweet graver Hashtag mad tweets Sir Jimmy Mail to mad money C._N._B._C. dot com or give us a call at one eight hundred seven four three C._n._B._C.. Something Ed Tha Mad Money Dot C._N._B._C. Dot Com in Asia remains the fastest growing region in the world and will wake up two thirds of global middle class consumption by the year twenty fifty at Matthews Asia. We've been investing in Asia for over twenty five years and our mission is to champion. Champion Asia focused investment solutions may profit from this growth and build wealth for global clients over the long term find out. What a dedicated allocation to Asia cannot your portfolio at Matthews Asia Dot com slash opportunity going on crave exact science company behind Color Guard? That's a non invasive way to screen for one of the most terrible cancers colon cancer using the stool sample rather than a colonoscopy this read out stock up more than eighty percent for the year hat kind of see so day. I'd say Down Sixteen Bucks at one point and then making up for all those losses in a fantastic late late afternoon rally. Why did the stock usually get pancakes? It's not that exact sizes Puerto Big quarterback comfy posted some really terrific numbers in this morning on the earnings front. They lost just thirty cents while she was thinking they lose fifty six cents their sales were much spent ninety ninety. Four percent your rear fantasy celebration versus the previous quarter call now controls five point seven percent of the colon cancer screening market magic please. They can get forty percent long-term best of all exact scientists dramatically raises for your forecast. They've been guiding for seven hundred thousand five hundred forty million now. They're saying eight hundred eight hundred ten million. That's us so what made the action so crazy that it was the other being news story exact sciences bind to know McKell two point eight billion in cash and stock. This is a company. Does there's different kinds of cancer screening. They use D._N._A.. Sequencing something that's essential for personalized medicine while they're not even paying a big premium. Many investors seem skeptical hints the wild trading I think the sellers made a big mistake and the latest new buyers were right but don't take it for me. Let's think deeply April. Kevin Conroy is the bankable chairman exact scientists for more about the deal and what it means further copies future. Yes Mr Conroy. Welcome back to money hi Jim Great to be here. Thank you so much for <hes> having us on and <hes> you know we had a great day today. Announcing this tremendous news and it's really two pieces of News as you noted we had a tremendous quarter of growth with Colo Guard the team really you did a great job of educating physicians and patients and we screen four hundred fifteen thousand people with Colo Guard <hes> generating two hundred million in revenue for the quarter. We couldn't be happier about that and the combination with genomic health is one that we think is going to really pay off in the near mid and long-term so happy to talk about it to this you know I think there's a great you have a fabulous godless deck. You've always been incredibly transparent. Pays nine talks about the annual total addressable market by indications U._S. Breasts International Rest U._S. prostate other colorectal. I mean you've got a gigantic diagnostic. Think machine going now for one of the most terrible diseases ever known to man Genomic Health is an incredible company at really innovated with the innovator in this field and they have delivered tests. They make a huge impact on how patients are treated their breast cancer. Test is a groundbreaking test which is the standard of care foretelling women with early stage breast cancer whether they will benefit from chemotherapy therapy or not and <hes> an a prostate cancer tests and a colon cancer tests that helps to guide the right therapy so we hit there are multiple avenues of growth plus. They have an incredible full commercial organization outside the U._S. and that global organization is something that is going to be incredibly helpful as these two great strong companies come together. Now I hope you do you can't talk talk about all the cancer companies that the drug companies are doing cancer that I know they're oncological. Portfolio almost always boutique now. It's about targeted cancer. Immunised immunotherapy isn't that that genomic health sweet spot it really is if you look at the new tests that they launched in the prostate cancer space to help guide therapy to a certain class of patients with prostate cancer it genomic health has done a tremendous job not only identifying the right markers to test. They've done an amazing job of developing the evidence that convinces physicians these the right test order on the right patients wants to get those tests into guidelines and to get a broad insurance coverage <hes>. I just can't speak highly enough for Kim Popovich it's C._E._O.. Of Genome Calvin the entire team there and our team can't wait it to get to work so let's talk about that prostate does that. There's a case score. There's the P._S._A.. And then there's the obviously there's the biopsy where does that U._S.. Where's that six hundred million dollars in prostate diagnosis? Come in there are two different tests. One is if you're diagnosed with prostate cancer and the question is is it aggressive or is it. INDOLENT is not likely to proceed so there's an important decision as you know that needs to be made. Do you go to surgery or not and do you do watchful waiting and now there's a test that genomic health has a prostate test is called the archetype deacs prostate test that helps guide physicians and patients patients in that really important decision what further treatment is required and a separate test that for a certain class of more advanced prostate cancers whether they should go on or not go on a particular advanced therapy saving the patient but also saving the healthcare system money well. I mean I've gotTa tell you when I hear about people here all these Democrats talking about the healthcare system and how cost too much. I understand why they don't sit down with you. I mean you're doing is saving the system of fortune making money because you come in underneath but does anyone clinically ever call you and say thank you or I see. You're keeping the costs down. I can say one thing it's fun coming into work work every day. Be because people are not throwing darts at you that people across the political spectrum are doing everything they can to help address. What is the number to cancer killer or? I'm sorry the number two killer in the U._S.. In the health system is cancer and it seems to be an area of galvanizing support across the spectrum. We can't wait to bring some of the pipeline wind tests that we have in development through our partnership with the male clinic across the top fifteen cancers and introduce them to this tremendous commercial organization at Genomic Healthy Oncology team the global bowl team. It's really exciting Jim what what happened. You think today Cowan came out at three thirty and said this is a good combination but if you got done a deal honestly I think you're stock would have been a thirty dollars because just alone alone. What am I want deal you know I think it feels great but I mean that quarter that you announce this? Morning was the biggest blow out of the year. Well thanks Jim. The team did an amazing job and we as you know <hes> we have never been focused on one quarter. We're trying to get <hes> eighty six million Americans between the age of fifty and eighty-five screen for colon cancer and the truth is at least a third of them. Don't get screened so we're about six percent. <hes> penetrated into this large market as you know a year ago when I was on the show we were three percent <hes> adopted and the team is doing remarkable work to get more people screen and the team at Pfizer. That is our CO promotion partner. We can't think them enough for their efforts well. We we're going to lever the strength to well. No I mean this is a great theo. I didn't understand why the stock was down at all. Frankly I should have been up and that's what will happen tomorrow Kevin Conroy Exact Sciences Chairman C._E._O.. Thank you so much. Sir Jim Thank you. This company continues to club Auburn. It's targets and I love this acquisition. It's been tasked Kevin Conroy who is doing such a good job at exact science sticky at Matthews Asia we uncover unique companies across Asia. <hes> prime to benefit from consumer trends that brought her international funds myths find out what a dedicated allocation to Asia cannot to your portfolio at Matthews Asia Dot com slash opportunity what the heck is happening with tech on the one end. The Nasdaq searched who knew all time high last week many tech stocks including alphabet the parent of Google have exploded Har- but on the other hand there's also been big breakdowns like like the poster and he sell off in Amazon and the Public Cloud Kingston. I talked about at the top of the show well. We want to decipher this action. It's never going off the charts. We WanNA be emotional so we're using calendar road to help us that brilliant technician who runs <hes> Pity Naci Queen Dot com website also calling it real money dot com her we track record is phenomenal so maybe she can says some light on it very difficult subject. Why don't we start with the daily chart of Amazon which I guess you call an imperfect quarter last week a revenue beat but some people felt that the weaker earnings were an arbiter of things to come they win week this on the expensive building out one day shipping although the Amazon Web Services Division door was also a little bits off now giving the strength in Microsoft's azure suddenly only Google cloud? Maybe the competition getting more fierce. I don't know what people said so. What can the short tell us? First of all broken says that the larger pattern here is still bullish putting too much higher prices down the road much higher at the restocked recent pullback. She thinks you're a rare buying opportunity in Amazon. I couldn't agree more in fact roden bricks at the car so off will likely terminate somewhere above Amazon's June lows so we don't have to worry about this. Take yet then here okay. She wouldn't be surprised at the paint substance very weak member methodology she measures pass swings in the stock then runs in through the prism of FIBONACCI numbers. That's a key series of ratios discovered by Lin or FIBONACCI his Medieval Godfather Mathematics these vicious repeat over and over and over again in A._H._l.. which is the snail shells pie goes flowers and for some crazy reason they also tend to show up in charge of stocks by doing this Broden finds important levels where stock is more likely to change trajectory especially when you see a cluster of these fibonacci relationships roughly the same area now when it comes to Amazon she knows that the stock has a cluster support levels in the eighties and eighteen nineties? You can see all these clusters. Okay that remember. This is where bottom today at the share price can hold above this for sewn. Broden Ways Amazon could rebound twenty seventy three alright ensure order however if the stock falls below its current for their key levels eighteen fifty three hundred sixty six and then another one eighteen a lot of support again. She says the stocks long-term uptrend is intact and and I agree based on Parsons Broden could see Amazon turning around and climbing to two thousand one hundred forty five or two thousand two hundred fifty two or even twenty five hundred if everything goes right wouldn't that be something at the moment to stock because holding above both its long-term two hundred day moving average and short-term fifty movie average employees that positive it helped us levels even though it was pretty hideous last week that said before Amazon can make its way debris higher priced lawyers. She wants to see the stocks five day exponential moving average average cross above its thirteen day. That's the blue in the red on the same daily chart that's not happening at crossover is FIBONACCI Queens by trigger beuys. It tells you WanNa stock has gotten his grew back so that's what we're looking at could happen very soon of course Amazon awesome breaks down below Bruins last floor of sport eighteen ten that mean she's wrong and she says you gotTa throw him in the town. I think she's right now. On the day that Amazon broke down outfit reported wheel smoking quarter. I loved it and Stock Fire. So what can we learn from alphabets. Daily Chart. Not is pretty will tell you that much okay Rodas alphabets remains bullish posture although the stock may have gotten a little head of itself last we still there's a lack of like your outfits made. A series of higher highs is okay and it's trending above all of all of Borodin's key moving averages at the moment. The FIBONACCI queen is watching for pullbacks to give her a better entry point. We got started one today all right but I really even more week for she recommends buying this remember did and it is unbelievable move so I totally get that. People don't like to come in on top of that kind of move right now but trading one to four one Brune thinks that needs to cool off of it best case scenario. This doctrine holds about one thousand two hundred fifteen and then rebounds if that happened she thinks alphabet could have a lot more upside her first meaningful price target falls at one thousand three hundred seventy. That's up ten percent of these levels if the stock and then clear that girl she she wouldn't spies traveled a one thousand four and sixty three or even one thousand four hundred eighty five. If you believe in the chart alphabet could potentially run another ten to twenty percent again creaming wants you to wait for pullback. She thinks the profit taking we'll be brief and the stock will quickly get back on track but she's calling you get a better than right here. I got a job as my thinking just like with Amazon. I gotTa Tell You I'm in agreement. I went back over all her calls before I asked her about these two. She's been red hot. Remember my child Richardson's both these but she has been so good that it's worth it to go with their finally. Let's consider the Nasdaq one hundred which is tech heavy index contains the hundred largest nonfinancial companies in the Nasdaq about when you look at the weekly chart paints a pretty positive picture Nasdaq Nasdaq one hundred means an upturn rodent headed so hard she gets she could see going to a hundreds and then it clears that all good eight one four seventy here penalties sorry eight four one seven see I keep saying these levels they could blowing away through it. Maybe even eight one six. She's talking again anywhere. Between Ten and twenty percent return when bro them looks at this chart. She's less concerned about placement concern about time. Don't forget this method less identify. If I keep price levels it also lets her key moments when a stock or index is likely to change trajectory changes that means it's inflection and with the Nasdaq one hundred she sees a series of FIBONACCI. Tommy cycles that come do in August okay so if you take a look we're almost there while these times says don't always trigger a reverse. She's a whole bunch of them hitting between late August and MID-SEPTEMBER I it makes it a little more cautious if the Nasdaq one hundred is going to sell off there's a good chance that's what will happen. Plus Bruhns also concerned what's known as symmetry the last big run the Nasdaq one hundred well. It lasted thirty four weeks okay. We're now in thirty weeks of it up trip in the current rally in late August thirty four weeks. Why is that had a problem because for whatever reason when you look at the charts you tend to see a lot of moves that are similar duration that doesn't necessarily mean at this rally has an expiration date in four weeks but when you throw in the FIBONACCI time cycles coming due at the same time you can understand by the hip watching queen wants to proceed with a little questionnaire what would make this go from a yellow light to a red light situation bruins washing again the five day thirteen day exponential moving average? She watched them with a hawk. If the five day causes blow to thirteen day that's when she'll stop being bullish and short she thinks the Nasdaq one hundred is more room to run for the next month but after that it may pay to be a little paranoid well here's the bottom line the charges interpreted by cow Umbro telling encouraging story while Amazon still getting shelled she she thinks he can bottom. Perhaps as soon as this week make a fabulous comeback I agree outlets going strong hoping for a pullback all users a lot more upside and as for the broader tech sector. She likes the Nasdaq one hundred for now although in four weeks time you may want to exercise more caution Mike in New York might big Boulia Professor Kramer from Staten Island New York lobby. Could you have on a show what's up. Thank you for everything unit team. Does for the Everyday Na aw thank you. That's why we do. It gets hard we do it. We always do it. What's up now? I WanNa talk about S._C.. Yeah I think there are solid company would a solid cashflow. They make it very easy for the buyer and the seller to do business I would each other recently. The thought has hit a fifty two week high. Should I buy or should I hope I think that's he's a good stock. I think that it's a great long-term situation. I don't WANNA be nitpicking down above seventy four today you know what I say tail and if it comes in by some later but this is a good level to get started I agree with you and thank you for the kind comments Paul and Virginia Paul Jerem I bow Ya what's up well aw I just started buying stopped recently and <hes> we're going to start at a long time ago but anyway never look. We're looking at some. <hes> crowd crowd strike but third tell you the ball few weeks. Go on over at anyway I bought it I bought them shares of it and it was doing pretty good. Today is kind of took a dive so I bought some more. I just I'm over. I'm doing the right thing but it but you wanNA leave your some MHM room. Don't get aggressive here. We're in Nasdaq sell off that includes that Z. scale or down Kramer FA family fave Octa down these traded together got to leave some room particularly with Octa okay charts telling encouraging story when it comes to Tech Rosen like Amazon Abbott and the Nasdaq one hundred for how much money it is it a golden up to you by some goal. I'm sitting down with the C._E._O.. Of Nico Eagle minds lines to find out then I'm on the grind to help fuel your portfolio domus might take starbucks latest route and all your calls rapid fire. It's nights edition of the lightning round so stay with Kramer. Ma'am always telling you have some gold exposure. If only is insurance against economic turmoil or inflation for years that insurance just sat there but now twenty nineteen gold is caught not far with the precious metal trading at his highest level roughly six years and I think I'm the only guy talking about it. That's not a great time for the stock market typically. It's just many veterans may have one foot out the door but it's been fantastic for the gophers. Take a look at Niko equal mindsets lines. It's IAN which operates in Canada Exco in Finland with new mines underdevelopment in the U._S. in Sweden after bonding thirty two dollars and change this September at an Eagle Eagle has soared hired climbing the fifty four dollars changes of today do that's one of the highest levels is heading in three years when the company Puerto E._S._p.. delivered a terrific top bottom line beat and it's not just higher prices management's also aiming for record production this year so can the stock keep climbing. Let's check in with someone boy. He's Shawn's Vice Chairman and C._E._O.. Of legal minds get a better says vows companies. He's doing whereas headed Mr boy welcome back to made money thank you so. I am excited to see you because a couple years ago you came on in everything was crypto. CRYPTO CRYPTO and you said goal was much lower and you said you know what that's fine. That's all well and good but won't last you were the only one who said it and you said the goal would be back as the reserve that people want. How did you know take victory lap because you're the only one I was thinking well? We knew because we get out and we talked to a lot of investors. We've got a broad range of shareholders older outside of our home base in Canada and we saw the big smart money starting to do homework earlier and we were just taking our cue from that but we've learned over time that this goes in cycles and it starts from pessimism almost disrespect for gold it takes a while for things to start to move but what we solve the last six years was goal setting higher lows grinding in the face of record equity markets and here we are. We're just getting started now people need. We know that it's it's. I know this is gonNA sound a little oxymoron but it's not easy to find gold. It's not easy and I think that's the beauty so even if gold goes up the industry is going to have a hard time <hes> making us apply response because the lead times to build mines are extra-long now but there hasn't been major discoveries industry-wide. The pipeline is not full for new deposits three you. You've got some really this million dine mind three point queen eat me see a toilet. You've got some gigantic prospects that are just now kicking in with your gold of for your actual what you pull it out really much much below where the bicycle is now now why because that period between two thousand twelve two thousand fifteen when most gold companies stopped doing business we kept doing business. We were the ones that were investing juniors vying minds expanding our drill programs we made a heavy commitment to none of it and Canada's Arctic and as you mentioned we just opened me L. eating. We're about to open Amrou up there in two weeks for the opening so our production profile continues to grow record production just opened in May that's been the number shit right. It's in May we hit commercial production mid May so we've only only got about six weeks and are few two numbers so we're ramping up that mind. We'll open up Amrou none of it as well. <hes> in August hit commercial production probably late September <hes> that will impact this year will set record a gold production but then we can continue to grow but grow steady pace. It's all about managing risk in this business because you're dealing with nature. Nature can throw your curve balls. We gotta be careful it. You awesome managed just the way other stone every single place that you have minds. I don't mind living and I mean that seriously that you have no political risk that's by design what I was hired by the founder in Nineteen eighty-five as I said before he said we don't go where they don't wear overcoats in the winter. We manage that risk and mining hard enough and that's what we say when. You start layering on other wrists. It just gets much more difficult. It seems like you also embraced technology in in this you talk about autonomous mining. What is that well? That's the way the future that's when you get vehicles and equipment running on their own and <hes> that makes the mind safer makes it more efficient keeps the costs down where mining right now at a mine about five hundred kilometers north of Montreal were down below three kilometers <hes> so as we go deeper some of our best <hes> drill holes are below three kilometers that minds been running since one thousand nine hundred eight so that's where we're working on Thomas Equipment to make it safer but also more productive as okay. That's important because I know the Caterpillar was telling me about that and I didn't know whether it's actual that it's test pilot or whether someone's really using it yeah yeah what testing it now but what we do we run those <hes> mobile equipments remotely from the surface now <hes> and between the <hes> the shift Jane we're we're down without that equipment running for an hour. We can keep that equipment moving much more more productive in an underground line. Now one of the reasons people always had me Jimmy. Are you like these stocks in your growth stock. We'll say what there's these outages that occur. Nobody's ready for them. We're turns out that the or is in is good. I know that it various times you've had to dude. You've had a mine down for what for sixty seventy days but that's you with your pastiche of minds. It's never going to hurt your quarter while I think that's the key. is you run it like a portfolio right and <hes> you ensure that you set expectations and so that you can deliver and as we said you're dealing with nature and the mind you referred to we had some instability issues we closed it but we didn't give up that mine <hes> where mining one point six grams of gold grade underground one of the lowest grade aid underground mines in the world and we're making good profit that might had a record quarter so we reopened after those issues. We stayed away from that area but it's about your technical skill but it's also what understanding risks but it's also vote thinking long term. It's a long-term visit. You have to make the investments when others are not making them during those periods when Gold's quiet okay now on Wednesday the Fed is going to pronounce a cut. I believe in one of the reasons why Jay Powell do that is because inflation's running below the feds Ed's target. Is it not a uncharacteristic to have inflation below a target and Gold Serie while I think yes it is but I think what we see now as we see negative of real interest rates so we see a substantial amount of money that's paying a negative return and what we're hearing in the last few weeks from our connections in Europe. The gold funds are getting inflows. It starts there. They understand gold the understand risks <hes> mm so we're in a period now. Were goal blossoms when you have low real interest rates and negative goal does well and then the inability of the industry to respond to a higher gold price. Is I think the key to get it going forward. We we also have a situation now where <hes> we've been grinding for six years. We've built the base. It's broke through that technical resistance at thirteen sixty. It's starting from a higher base. It will hit the all-time highs of nineteen hundred or two thousand because we're starting from a higher base than we did back in the late nineties. Oh you've dead right on this in a lot of people doubted you when you came on a not me goal to be part of everybody's portfolio that Sean boys the vice chairman steel by NICO GO Equal Gold Mine Company they have money's backing it is time with the proper and then the leading writers over are you ready Ska- cause was Larry Larry all right Jim. Tom Caller longtime listener your thoughts on Newmont Goldcorp. We don't want new mob. We went egg Migo. 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We know nobody likes the acquisition. Tell me what to do. I don't like the acquisition and and I six point eight on these stocks that are doing six plus our stocks that have no growth. We're growth buyers. I don't see the growth opportunity at be even with that acquisition. I'm sorry I wish I believe that's got a marketing mark. Hey Jen learnt from Pittsburgh P._A.. Boy I knew investor. What do you think F._A._A.? I like us. I actually I liked the yield. It's got some easy growth. It's bigger than comeback a stall for a little bit. I'm willing to bring out yes the terrible towel this say yes to six okay. Let's go to John and Texas John Kramer. Thanks for taking my call my question for you. Today is sicker. Di Di di EXC- does not have growth. That's what I'm looking for. It exceeds he just swap. I'd swap out of that and just the Tim Reuters is changing the culture and that other big around is sponsored by T._D.. Ameritrade how does the stock of a gigantic hundred burden twenty billion Dollars Cup like starbucks Mash rallying your nine percent session like normally you only get that kind of moving. There's a takeover bid but starbucks made it happen simply by reporting some spectacular numbers it was truly toward force quarter. Were how they do it. Okay get your head around the story. We need to go back here to the quarter. starbucks put posted twelve months ago the way they slapped your though the company gave you some truly not so hot number same-store sales coup by one percent and China the biggest weakest growth market was down an astounding two percent. It was enough to make you feel that this once great companies that best days were indeed behind at the time I just under shoot at Bluestone win. That's more privately of coffee shop chain with its irrepressible founder and C._E._o.. Nicholas Stone we shot the segment brand new gorgeous up recite store in commemoration of their fifth year in the Coffee Business Nick and I spent a lot of time talking about analogies between the beer industry. We're the old all-time brewers were in decline by smaller faster-growing Craft Breweries and coffee shop space starbucks versus Bluestone. The interview was simultaneously a high five chest bumping affair for craft copying. Yes indeed a funeral dirge for starbucks but man starbucks did not get the memo at the exact same time that the coffee colossus was supposed to be dead and buried then rookie CEO Kevin Johnson was making moves under the Rick of growth at scale that would only allow him delivered the breathtaking numbers we saw last week first and foremost Johnson was his own man. You can't envy anyone who comes in on the heels of the now retired founder Howard Schultz within the institutional revere figure who knew how is former miniatures respond to a quiet low key almost anonymous successor Johnson especially one who came in from tack from Telco Tech. I mean the choice for starbucks practically wrote themselves when a juniper executive took over but Johnson it had a few cards of sleep in the spring twenty eighteen offloaded the companies consumer packaged goods division to Nestle for seven point one five billion dollars then use the proceeds for one of the largest most aggressive by X.. I have ever seen in my career when starbucks reported the subpar parcells a year ago and the stock got hammered Johnson unleashed that by back on the stock was so having that I worried that the by back would have no impact initially batons didn't care you know why because he was hatching a comeback fueled by technology and convenience and that's why starbucks putting your C._e._o.. From Tech from Juror Places K._J._M._C.'s known on the street recognized that if you can improve digital ordering if he could solve the throughput problem it'd be could make delivery happen. He could then orchestrate of magnificent turnaround regardless of what the competition was up to Oh and it didn't hurt the starbucks also rolling US terrific new products day like about these specialized coffees nitro which is a millennial. Sorry Gen Z.. Favorite I know many data John's at the time I didn't I believe him though because I love them at Uber and because he explained that the real issues plaguing starbucks had to do with making the stores more convenient and hospitable they had kind of Yogi Berra problem as nobody goes there anymore. It's it's too crowded Johnson roll all sorts of new technology. Make it easier for you to buy coffee. The result Dole came together Chris delivery better throughput faster lines all with the same personalization reuse to from starbucks company delivered seven percents since U._S._A.. Store sales growth and to those points came from digitisation plus that addition the night show is coffee. If did reignite the sleepy afternoon day part that's big money and burning more traffic your own bluestone look I think there's more than a fruit mm for the Bluestone of the world and for starbucks and everyone else in the coffee business for that matter the seasonal coffee versus a corporate coffee setup always a false dichotomy starbucks just needed better technology to orchestrate a fantastic global same-store sales acceleration from from one percent to six percent in senior. Fortunately starbucks put in Tech Guys C._E._O.. And he is delivered and you know what even at this move with Kevin Johnson at the helm I think the stocks got more room to run. Although it did get downgraded by a couple of firms today after settles down I would take the other side of those sellers stick with Bremer meets US a secondary and the stock falls bow-to-bow time. Let it come in you do not need to hurry up when it comes to beyond me like say there's always a market summer. 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RHAP Rewind | Blind Date

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RHAP Rewind | Blind Date

"Everybody what's going on. Robs the stream back here for another episode of the are. Hp rewind today. we're talking about not the syndicated reality dating series blind date hosted by roger lodge and i'm very excited to have a back with me. My co host going back through the history of reality. Tv is to create chapelle show. How are you rob. I am a the greatest. Move right now. Yes i know. The listeners can probably hear me smiling ear. But i don't think i've been this excited to talk about anything like all week like this is. This is the peak of my week for sure. I'm so ready to get into this week. Share the biggest blind date. Stand there is probably. I might have to fight roger lodge. The i'm pretty close to like the big is blind dates and and for good reason. This is not something that most children should have been watching in the late nineties. Even now i think it's in syndication currently and this is not something that your kid should be watching but your boys appeal had found his home here at blind date would roger lodge and this is definitively. My shit okay. How many of the fourteen hundred fifty plus episodes of the series. That's not a fair question. More questions is how many how many have it i. That's probably like easier to count. I could probably count all that. You know a couple of hands and feet the episodes. I haven't seen the blind dates. Yeah yeah i saw. When i was down for all of them bad blind date i wanted to watch it. There's a good one. I wanted to watch it. I don't know if this was coloring. My vision of what. I thought dates. We're going to be like when i was h. I own but i definitely was into it. And i've seen the majority of these episodes for sure we're gonna talk about an episode and a half that we found on youtube the links are going to be in the show notes. If you want to check out the episodes to follow along last week talk about mtv cribs had a lot of fun with asia wealth and jump off jason. Yes my two buddies we. We're on good terms now that we've podcast it together. I think we're more like a loving family me asia and jason. Okay rob yes you know i love nostalgia yes and this week i have brought to you my good friends over at the shit ninety shows touch you. Podcast just sterling and sarah ferguson. Yes excited talk to him okay. Let's welcome in sarah and jess. How are you allow. Hello hi my name. Is sarah thirty to my passion is trader. Joe's can't wine my turn. Offs are suspicious. Looking facial hair took the bit. I was going to do the do it. Jessica twenty nine loves talking about. The nineties hates people who chew with their mouth open. Okay all right. Welcome aboard blind date. Started airing in nineteen ninety nine aired through two thousand six in. Its original incarnation. That's the one we're gonna talk about. This is actually a reboot hosted by nikki. Glaser which we did not get the chance to look at. But i will check it out after we talk about it here today and see what's going on with the nikki. Glaser version. But i am very excited to have just sarah here with us to talk about some blind date. We're either of you big blind date people and definitely not seen as much as chapelle has show. I'm remembered this show along with the cheesy graphics like the awful awful dates that people go on. I definitely remember watching the show. I'm a new appreciator of blind date. I've seen probably like thirty dates in the last week. Honors yeah i was. I was on the other side of upn. The america's next top model side. Well i think that started off on. Eps right chapelle. It makes them move so yeah like transitions. The cw and the blind date just kind of outlasted all like a cockroach syndicated. This wasn't a primetime. Show it probably aired on different networks depending on where you live that makes sense that makes sense Yeah i i had. I been dying to talk to jess sarah for very long time. Every now and then they let me poppy and talk about television with them on their podcast. So i needed to find something that i felt like. They could sink their teeth into and so this is a show that started the nineties. Which is their specialty. A majority of it is the two thousands but also what they're good at talking about on their podcast is for one alcohol. That's a big part of super also. This this is who you wanna talk about about the dating because they cover a couple of shows on their podcast that i mean they go through so many dates iconic couples like panga and gory less iconic couples like a dawson and we. Yeah yeah eric and desert you know they give you like the less iconic people the dating that go through and ninety shows they talk about it and so i felt like this was the perfect avenue to talk to them. Okay well very excited to talk about blind. We'll talk about these specific episodes that we looked at. But i guess we should talk about the format of blind date for anybody who's listening who either does not remember the show or has not ever seen it spelt Could you give us a quick synopsis of how blind date works. yes so there. There was a blind date hotline. Yeah okay and. I don't know how much that actually played into getting. Cast it onto on the show. But let's just say. I our arguments. You call the hotline. And then they say oh. We'll send you on a blind date. And they match up to people who may or may not have shared interests and they send them on the date and normally starts off with the people they like the guy or the other girl goes and picks up the other person and they get in the car and they talk and then they stop it like the first day in a give back in the car and then they go to like a restaurant they get back in the car one time and they go for drinks and then they don't get the same car because normally blind date will send them a car at that point because they've been drinking you know we have to drink responsibly. And then we get to see them go home into where we get a good night kiss and or not a good night kiss who knows. And then we get the recap the couples at the end. Get to tell us how they felt about each other. It's very formulaic. But it's a good time. Yeah i think the biggest draw is the narration. the captions. yeah yeah Can you explain how that works. Yeah it's kind of like papa. Video your remember papa people of the nineties. Yeah if it was a reality. Tv show i'd force it into these conversations as well. It's one it's where they put like little captions and little thought bubbles around people kind of making it almost comic strip of like funny commentary and things that you might be thinking while watching it and it just makes the show more enjoyable because watching to people on a blind date could be relatively entertaining but having some snarky comments behind. It makes it even better and so. That's what like their bread and butter was just wants to my dream. The like it'd be great to be a writer on blind date. I'd like to write the things that pop up on the screen. I'm glad that you have exceeded that dream. It's really good job. I felt like yeah. It's very much reminds me of like he from like microsoft word hopping up and lake saying something and they're very like themed as well so like first theme was like home renovations because they take the ball and literally run six miles down. The road on. This show is too far for them. Yeah they're going to really just like beat one thing into the ground and go with it so there's like cartoons pop ups on the screen. There's like all sorts of the very mean comments like You go on blind date and you spell. Prepare to be roasted. Yeah they're gonna tear you apart. I feel personally attacked by making the job that you thought about being a writer on the show because you know that was my like career goal. Joe i talked about this. Yeah because you know middle schools are was like you know. How do i like. What do i do just a letter. Look making snarky commentary piling on and beating horses. I mean those are the three things in my and the chapelle doctrine. If you if you wanna get a taste of that look at my tweets. I can go on and on and on so i thought that was going to be like the next step for me but here i am talking to you guys. I guess i might have missed the mark a little bit. Yeah truthfully the real stars of this entire thing is the writers slash producers. Because they're keeping this show move in and going so if it wasn't for this i don't know if blind date would be as entertaining as this today. Do you feel like is this format. And there's a reboot of the show but it is weird that i feel like that we have so much more like video and so much more access to these types of tools like Does this exist in any other. Form like on tiktok or you know what this on youtube. I and not so much with the little clip are but i feel like modern day. Youtubers love to like zoom in on their own faces when they're getting to like a specific point in their story or you know what i mean. They use not as like overt editing tools as as blind date. But i do think you can see hints of it and a lot of modern day. Youtube videos chapelle blind. It was an influential show. Yeah first of all it created who i am today. Chevelle it paved the way for these tiktokers. I think sarah you're a tiktoker right. You like to peruse the tactile. Gosh i mean. I would like to say no. I'm not by literally spend like five hours of my day. Just scrolling through tiktok. You gotta take talker. When you literally watched a guy move bricks on. Take all my god talk. That's what do you do on brick. Talk okay so the thing about brick talk is that this guy's job is to move bricks from one from a mealy stacked pile breaks to a haphazard heil of bricks. But he doesn't know why he does it and he asked his boss and his boss said you get paid to move the bricks to ask questions. Are you sure you won't watching toughest neighborhoods. Maybe somebody posting tough sales clips on tiktok. I think sometimes. I mean i mean if bats what it tastes if phil wants me to move bricks to win toughest nails. I'm all in The toughest now stick talkers. Have the making such appearance on rj. This year yes. i think. That's what's going on all right. Well let's let's talk about this episode of of blind data. We were chapelle. did you go through. Ever all of the blind date episodes that were on youtube. How do we end up on this. So sarah and i are kinda in the same old of like you know we. We dove in we. Just watch the two cliffs. I watched several. And i was just trying to find an episode was complete. Because there's a lot of like we'll take this day and this day because you wanna show the good ones really really bad ones but you you really want to show the bad ones right like that's what you keep going. Watch these so. I just wanted to find an episode that was fully balanced so we can give the listeners like a foretaste of what a typical episode of blind date is like and so we landed on doug and rachel. That's what we go with. Yeah as far as the casting goes on blind date like. I do think that this show set in los angeles. I thought they get a lot of people who are sort of like wanna be actors models who the chance to appear on television. I think is a real part of the appeal. Like i think it would be tough to do this in any other city. Maybe outside of a new york. And i feel like the even new york. I think it'd be a struggle to cast the show and get at least two dates in peru episode. Sarah did you think that these people look like what is it matters though the model actors. I think that he are the type of people that are just desperate for attention whether that be. I don't know as they love sorority girls on this show us so ucla graduates. I think they just hang out at the quad. ucla and just say hey. You're somewhat attractive. Come on the show. Sort of felt like rachel actually seemed more normal. Yeah of the people we watched. She seemed like an army compared to the rest of these people. But i wouldn't be you know you know the trick is there like Let's find someone who calls himself a neat freak and like set them up with someone who's an absolute disaster. The matchmaker zoo behind the scenes on blind date for sure. Chapelle do you do. They get any money to appear on blind date. Oh i don't know matter honestly. They should've if they did it. Because this is the quickest way to get dunked on for thirty minutes in front of all your friends. Yeah like the odds that the producers come in and say you know what you're really attractive. You seem nice. And we're just gonna put that in our little comic strips and everyone's gonna love you tonight like they are coming in to make fun of you. If you say you bought a home. They are going to like drive that case into into the ground like just was saying they're gonna take the ball and run with it. If you say oh. I like my mustache now. You're the mustache guy episode. Like there're almost elementary like the juvenile the way they like. They're like little kids. They just pick on you. Pick on you pick are you. So there's a cash you know some type of stipend or whatever but at the very least you get a free day. I'm sure what you're thing be. If you were on the dates chapelle. He watches a lot of trash. Tv tweets alive. Every time i look away the bubble would say like. I should tweet about this splitter quitter like a little twitter bird like following around the screaming girls like how do i block this guy. You'll see pills burner. Says it is going great go. I just sterling response tonight so the first pair that we are going to watch the case of doug and rachel. Rachel is a new homeowner. She has recently bought a fixer upper and doug lives in. I can't even call it a studio apartment. Doug lives in a closet catch in does he. I don't appear to have any sort of like the apartment later on is one room of that. He has utensils in a drawer. And it doesn't appear to be a sink anywhere. Does he basically like wash dishes in the bathroom in less. Be show yeah. I pressed that. He gets his own bathroom. This type of setup seems as though that there'd be a communal bathroom hall Maybe hostile thing. Yeah maybe give hostile. It was for sure. I look like we talked about is very formulaic right. Like they've found their theme for episode. And it's almost like house hunters right. We know she has a house. It's going to be her like whole personality and this episode and then we do a slow build until we finally gets to see his house and doug houses exactly how you described it like a one. Now i won't even say roped one closet with a bathrobe and that's it and so we slow. We talk a lot about hers. But we're getting to the build up to his and that's the big reveal why this is so juicy. Yeah how did she agree to let them inside his apartment. Sc because he nasty is a fixer. Upper is what they say damaged but structurally sound is how they described this guy. Seeing he leaves lag- us boxers just like chilling on top of his dresser. The if there's a we know that they were used. Oh good bit unfolded. I hope not because she touched on with their bare hands. There were flies but they were putting in. Cgi silly what the native of doug's laundry is but the is party. Got but doug is. He is used to being the center of attention. that He's i mean he's drinking scotch and mountain dew. We're going to see later. Here is like a party guy that i do not suspect that doug ever became a homeowner. Yeah he lost me a students. He said that he is like peter pan and he acts like he's twelve. I mean that's the number one red flag in dating. It's like. If i heard that i would just be running anyway. Lost me before that moment. He lost me when he claimed that he tries too hard and relationships. Anybody who says that is like the quote unquote nice guy. Oh i'm just as scared that tries to hard like no bro. Clean up your apartment and then we'll talk honestly. Rachel agreed that he was a nice guy. She said he was a gentleman at the end of that date. She she's on tv. We all know if she's not on tv she's like i'm never out with that loser again. Here and the truth be told. Is that her whole motivation. For going on blind date is to find somebody that can help. Help her fix up. Her house is looking for a handyman tools. By the way. I state question have you ever. Have you ever installed back splash kitchen. No okay sorry. We all need a second date. They start their date off. Every blind date date has multiple locations. chapelle was this an unrealistic expectation that said in your mind that every day needs to be going to like four different spots. No not unrealistic Do you have you met me is more in. Moore's more more is more or less less not an option. Let's go to seventeenth spots one day. I don't care as long as the answered. This is not a normal way to go on a date with any so. I like to have a good time. Now what i'm saying but no no seriously. Yeah this is the amount of money if you had to take someone on three different dates at one time the absurd and then also i mean. There's you wanna do stuff where you can talk. Were you can interact and some of these. Send you on blind date like. Are you really getting to know that person. Are you in turmoil. We wonder if these even there like ours. Any date worth it. If you don't actually get to know the other person. So i think they kind of like pick a date or to pick one day. Maybe like dinner. So you've watched a lot of these blind dates now. The formula is okay for pick up then go someplace wacky for something unusual then dinner then off to like dive bar right. Yes so you're absolutely going. Gain the tour of la You have to go on ten different spots and the goal is each place you go. You'll get and munger until the end just stumbling out the bar door gotta problem. That's not how look everyone on this call except me is mary. Maybe i should just be quiet and learn. No i mean. I don't want to go on a i don't need an itinerary to have a good day like i don't want to have like a full lake tour of the world. I want to go to places the most too much too much especially on a first date. My my role was always get coffee on a first date. Because it's a short enough thing where it's not like dinner dessert. A whole thing if you hate the person but it's and it's also like you can get out of it if you need to like. Oh i have like plans later. I have to run so halftime if you wanna go to other places like oh. Let's go mini golfing after we coffee. If you like the person but this would be my nightmare. Like four different places with one. That so i know i could tell some of these locations are and they're not all on the same street like sometimes in one of these as they're down by the lax. Then they're in the valley. It's like forty five minutes away. Like i think there's a lot of time spent like around. Make these blind date episodes based on where they were able to shoot. And that's the impressive part about some of these days though because you think for the amount of time that they're driving that you'd run out of things to talk about one date right and some of these. It doesn't seem like they miss a beat at all and we'll talk about some of the other ones later but you know it's kind of hard to keep conversation going for that long and you don't know we haven't yeah but you know who wants to talk about survivor all stars for four hours. You know travel. We all right doug and rachel. They start things off. Just could you describe this first place that they go on the snapple. Diehard tour manic mardi with snapple. He had the craziest hair. It's straight up down there. Getting manic panic makeovers which believe manic panic as a hair dye brand. God was not topic in early. Two thousands it was all the rage getting your hair dyed with manic panic. Hair dye And why. I don't know if doug chose green or green was chosen for him but honestly of all of the callers to choose to die. Your hair green is probably very low on my list Rachel definitely hates it. She's not into that at all. She already looks like she wants to leave. Because i feel like rachel is not the type that would like crazy hair dye color. He seems to land for that She's not into it. And doug looks like he also hates it but is willing to like go with the flow of the day. I guess yeah you're not a rebellious teenager in the early twenty. S if you don't drag yourself to the hot topic and by hot. Pink manic panic hair dye and then like sneakily. Die your ends in your bathroom while your mom's calling for dinner. i think i've just got a flashback. Bright that's gonna civic yeah snapple. Manic panic is definitely a thing and the green was not a an somehow. It magically disappeared within the next state. It's like a wash out type. Situation is that was high works. it's yes intended to be permanent. So it'll wash. i'll not after the first us. You know okay and sarah. You dyed your hair different colors. I definitely died it at one. Point with manic panic. Yeah in two thousand and five definitely went to the hot topic and dyed my hair and it washes out in within five times so that was definitely a thing that you dead. And then you've got your like samir todd shirt also remember the rubber bracelets to where you'd have like twenty of them stacked on your wrist. No no can't silly bands like you can't necessarily ban was not silly bans no way. Too old for cilivans. No thing was the rubber ones that had the spikes on them and the so the robbery and weird looking. Yeah that was like a rock thing. Anyway yeah go put on your shoes. The the ds not dsw. That's a store. The gosh. I can't remember the name of them. Relics skater shoes. And you go too hot and fans and you got your vans. Go to the topic. You gotta get your poster for your wall yet channeling nothing. Nothing good memories all really run memories. yup you know. she's definitely not into rachel. She's a respectable homeowner. She is not into the green hair dye to the restaurant. And they're talking about the she's looking for somebody who can help with the work around our house. Doug that he's willing to. He doesn't have tools but he knows how to get his hands on tools. Doug seems like he has the right idea here. Look i might. I could go get whatever you whatever you want. This man is ready to cater to. This woman identified that she might be too good for me. And i need to like her. No well okay. Well if you are. I've caught you. I will do whatever it takes. And so if you want to go and build a sink from scratch. That's what i'll do. I don't know but i can find them. I'm sure there's a home depot around here is something. I don't i'm not mad. He's trying you guys ever now. He's definitely trying. She's a master manipulator. She's like i'm so sore from working in ripping up title. I'm so exhausted my mom and my mom's boyfriend over for hours working on then in here with a clear plan and we'd love the woman with your honesty. I'd rather have nobody helping me than someone completely. Inexperienced with tool robbing need work on my house right. I think that that's a tell if somebody is borrowing the tools from somebody. They do not know what they're doing. Yeah you don't want them whereas house yeah not at all. Doug can't even organiz dresser. I don't want him at my house with scr screws nails that and this man is desperate enough to fake that he knows what he's doing and he is going to f. up her house i it doesn't stand install that yeah sure no problem. Look he's trying she's like i what he's like. Oh what are your interests like my home. My house my things in my house and the walls. The door like the backyard like these. Are this gets my juices going. And he's like okay. That's fine. I i can get a hammer and you know. Come do stuff. And she's like but he's also laying it on thick as the producers reminded us with their big graphic of him laying it on thick. He saying here so beautiful you those beautiful grow like oh my god. I'm so i'm so to be on this day with you. He's telling her all the things that she wants to know except can use power tools does have asked so they're going to go to another spot called the canal club and they're having some good conversation like i felt like that. Sarah i thought this was It's going okay at this point was looking like we're on the up and up like tons of compliments. She's totally buying it. They talk about how they're too old for mind games than they. Somehow they agreed that mind games are east. Coast thing You're an east coaster. Rob original eight our mind games east coast specific. I don't think so. I don't think so either either but there i think at this point of the day. I'm starting to realize that this could be working out for doug. I don't look. I can't say mind games east coast specific but being from the south i can say i don't know anything about those so i i don't know jeeze. Are you a mind game person. No i don't have time for that for my game. Run into mind games. Slide into my d- ends. I got power tools. Help you with your home renovations. I have a hammer. I feel like this was all going like and then we get the. Oh let me go. Show you my bachelor pad. And we'll get a preview out. Let's say yes. They wanted to see it. I felt bad for him. Because okay you're on a date. You think it's going with this woman of your dreams. So you say she says. Take me to your home. You can't you say no. No no i would be like. Oh no like lost mike. She out club gotta la. Here's what i think is going on. Also that he lives near where all the action is going on. Her per home is an hour away from home. I it is not like anywhere in like the major los angeles Thirty mile zone and it is a long ride back because if there was any way to go to her place. I think that doug would have been all over it. Yeah i would have flipped it. Our this is like no but you could show me your new house. And i can grab some tools that we can come over that way. At least we get attention off of my quote unquote apartment. Yeah we're not. Quite sure is the halfway house if he is. I hope he gets whatever he's looking for. But it was just one of those moments. Where if you could avoid this situation really strongly producer the producer. The punch line for this segment is when rachel. The homeowner walks into this one bedroom. Sell the four. Even that happens. I can feel like rachel's not feeling it to begin with. And we're in the car and doug leans over very very far from where he sitting for a kiss and she she gives him that sheikh man there was no way that was nowhere near her lips and she hated it down and he regrets it immediately then. The conversation gets awkward is like a stumbling over his words. like like you can see like the. He's regretting it. The baubles are popping up like everywhere unquote pathetic slow mo. Read it on the screen. They go with the pathetic slo mo replay where they slow this thing down to like you are watching this to second a reach over for a kiss play out over the course of like thirty seconds and every second and the replay is completely unbearable. I love one has been personally attacked by blind date the dating show. You may be entitled to compensation people go there to find love and get trashed by the producers and the writers. And so yeah. I hated watching them for their kids. Because everything on her face out there. I if i if i run. Maybe he won't come. Install the drywall owner. I guess i get through this. He says he can get power tools. Oh and it just said instantly. It's yeah it's overnight over happened. the kiss came after. She promised that she wouldn't laugh at his bachelor pads so that that was when you went in for the kiss after that great diversion for doug. He could've have just said hey. For fifth part of the day. Let's just go to home depot. I think that she would have loved is home depot. I can get some landscaping done Yeah there would have been better than what happened because doug's apartment Labor is doug's entire entire. It's so bad that i don't even know how he opens his dresser drawers because the bed is pretty much right up against them. She had to climb over the bed to look out the window It was awful. And here's the thing if you think there's like a one percent chance that you'll be having somebody over at least in my mind i'm going to tidy up. That's how he lives. He tried just the kyw brian. He put all this stuff amid closet. He cleans up like a teenager. he really is twelve. At least he's honest. Honest look at kind of honesty. Oh but if. I clean up my house that i'm not being honest with my guests. No no listen. He had no business showing her that home. He has no business living like that. And i hope he's doing well wherever he is today. But yeah he. He walks into his home aka a bed with some dresses. Immediate there is. I'm gonna go to the little boys room. And he goes to the restroom and leaves her city. They're on edge of the bed and his filthy room. And of course like a crazy person. Rachel decides to go through his stuff. Now i've been pro. Rachel this let me tell you you. Don't just dig people sell because you might find something that you don't like us there. Do you have anything to comment on about this. Considering we just talked about going to other people's things well I'm a big advocate for going into other people's things. When i go back i enjoy seeing. How people organized their things. And i like having a school tour of a home so i might open up a drawer. My hope cabinet bedside one hundred percent off limits. I'm not a monster okay. Can you give us an example of this. So okay so we have sarah over and are we giving you the tore and you just walk into a room and then are like also like opening a closet or like Linen closet then you do it in front of the host pop song and then what about medicine cabinet medicine cabinets almost like the bedside table. If it's a close friend. I will look at the medicine cabinet. I wanted to be their skin. Care skin care. Will you give any feedback or tips. Like are you of presenting yourself like marie kondo where it's like. Hey i noticed this drawer or this closet. I have some tips for you. I would say it is thirty percent. Tips seventy percent and it was But i do. I do love and organization project. My home is berry organized. I've completely marie kondo d- my home. And i love it so yes. I do like a sneaky peek in a drawer So i would be rachel. I be poking around the jurors. It might be like horrible. But look if i need to see if there's utensils in the underwear drawer. No i need to be the one that discovers that. This was actionable information chapelle. Yeah we should call the police on about those come. Yeah so watching rachel. Go through this and now picturing sarah. I wonder i'm starting to wonder how many women have gone through stuff but people do it. Here's the thing on and blame rachel in this situation. Especially because she even asks she's like what about this closet. She liked yells as she opens. He's like he's in the bathroom very long time. Also log in the closet. And don't you. Louis abbey did not open the closet now. Oh yeah so. Sarah pointed out that he had his silverware in underwear drawer and his underwear. We're laying on top of the on the jurists and then rob pointed out that he didn't have a kitchen and this is the first time i'm noticing that he did not have a kitchen. Just want to know why he needs to silverware if he has nothing to do. Threw like a hot pot like with in that sitting in the bathroom. But how helpful is it to have one in the sock drawer. Not very i got an awful. I have those like a crazy person. Like i have. Those like a honeycomb organizers for my sock drawer you gotta get yourself some of those meteorite nicer. It's like marie kondo sile you basically instead of balling your socks which isn't good for the elastic. You blame them flat on each other and you roll them up in the new stuff him. A new one honeycomb Sox really not much more work than when you bought them to organize mine for you know. Winter socks than thin long socks and then thin small stocks short socks. Okay my attention you got. Yeah i might have to look at some of the. Yeah and this is why someone like doug's apartment would make me vomit. It looks and he drinks scotching mountain dew. Go to ask so for the bigger drinkers on the panel. Is this a drink. do this disgusting. This sounds like something a college age kid would do with. They're like oh the only things i have. Scotching vodka do kilo and then take a margarita vodka and mountain dew. Yeah i would just drink. Drink scotch on its own. You don't need to need color. Like i feel like that. You wouldn't wanna mic something. That's lime green with scotch right. Yeah i taken color theory. That's not a good color combination so as you ask that question this is the right pan. Afford on the top podcast. They have the nineties nightcap. Where every week they talk about what they're drinking record and next time if i'm ever blessed to be on the show might consider us to shots off the first time i was on there. We did snoop dogg line and it has become nineteen has become a staple of the podcast guests. Yes nineteen crimes. They've dug wine is always staple is actually a name for scotch in mountain dew. What's called the mountain jack allen. Now there's more than one person besides diagnose whiskey look for the record. I just want to defend a little bit. Because we could be in. His home is indefensible. But he never said this was scotch amount do. The producers dumped on by putting the graphics screen but he wasn't like a little sky around. And do you know he didn't do that so for all we know he was just drinking some red. You know random nightcap. I don't know Some other spirits with mountain dew. Right like i dunno. Surge in sake i don't know when they may live like that seriously sake. Get worse than scotching mountain dew but surging sake i try. And that's it she's gonna she's gonna leave and then when come back we'll find out how it went and see are you. Of course our first impression was you. Don't invite people to your filthy home. How dare you. She's this was the scariest apartment that she's ever been in in our life. Yeah that's a very very very damming situations one. Another day with him. Yes she leads with a badge. She says he was absolutely gentlemen and she doesn't know why he asked her out again. She would definitely go and get into doug. He said he will walk through broken glass for this woman. Yes well in fairness walking through broken glass happens. Every time that doug walks in his bed to the bathroom getting out of bed in the morning used to have to do that with her home renovations lots around. And then he gives the producer's like big props like thank you so much for introducing her to me like i've been looking coast to coast like he's very appreciative of the blind date young on a date in a while. Actually so the best thing about youtube is that people love to go on and be like y'all know that guy you can get updates in the comments. Yes as doug still single. And i'm somebody commented back to the new seat but doug is officially off the market. He got married in two thousand eighteen. So because this was in two thousand and two this list twenty nine eight data for a long time. You just want to be sure you know. Here's the thing if he he was twelve in this episode off. I'd like sixteen years then. He's an appropriate age to get married and another another thing. Although he's married from this to this girl he chooses to wear his. Nfl ring from the tampa bay buccaneers on his ring finger. Instead of a wedding ring. What do you mean. He is an nfl ring from the tampa bay buccaneers. This is like a superfood. He probably just got like a replica from amazon and he chooses to wear on his ring finger instead of his wedding ring. I don't know he probably works for the organization like he's probably like oh like like like i was the custodian at the place. You know the everybody on the team gets the actually do that. Because i have again keys rang in writing there. Everybody on the everybody. In organization gets gets the perks. If you made the championship happened even if it were a small contributor i guess then you get your ring but i wanna know who his wife is i just i just want on his. She's okay yeah talents. Like what does he do for the tampa. Bay buccaneers likes gulf. Are you asking. Is there a reason why he would have gotten his ring. Working for the organization. Look what does he do. We'll we know he doesn't keep a tidy home organized. We know that much. Yeah so not part of the janitorial staff. Yeah that's not his bag. He could be a mascot. he's acts like he's twelve. Yeah he gives me mascot vibes. Yeah for sure. He had no problem painting his hair. You know it seems like he's a like you said he's a party guy so yeah mass guys probably like. I don't know do this book and nears have a good non-problematic mascot are they. Like you know ritz. I would drink scotch and mountain dew. Wrong pirate moundou dew. Maybe he's like bronx catty or something like that. Yeah probably yeah. But i think rob. I think that covers our i. Yeah i blind date. Okay all right. We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back. We're going to talk about our second couple. Steve and francesca and hear all about their date. When we get back fe there rob cicirino. It's a brand new month end. May i suggest it's great times if a patron of robs a podcast in addition supporting great shows like the one. You're listening to our patrons get multiple weekly patriot on podcasts. 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And i just feel like that might have been tim. I not that getting into what you do your job or for what you do for money like is private. Don't wanna scare anyone. Think funeral homes. There's more conversation to have on a date. It's totally pressured to bring this up by producers because all we saw after that was the clip art of the funerals like the basket the life and death of the party we hold on. Am i o weirdo. Because i would be like totally asking so many questions about this. I feel like this is an interesting conversation. Starter gathered is that you're very nosy. Soon would say inquisitive miami. You would like to say nosy that fine. I also did a deep dive trying to look for steve. The funeral accountant. And what i've discovered is that steve is not the only funeral exclusive or funeral. Home exclusive accountant in the united states. Apparently there's people that specialize in this and they're proud to admit that yeah is there. There's a community. There's more than one steve. Because steve the account sounds like common name. So i would guess that steve actually doesn't have any interesting stories about what he does like. He's all in quickbooks. He's not at the funeral homes. He's just getting like you know itemized list and he's just like putting things into the system like. I think that steve has any cool stories about the funeral home And even if steve doesn't seem like he's so interested in talking either we'll see throughout this date that he gets he clams up a few times and he's with one of the most talkative people who've ever lived this is coming from one of those people and he's he's he she wants to talk and the best he has like. Oh i do like accountants for some funeral homes but let's not get into that too much. She's like okay. Let's talk about me. Yeah the rest of the like the rest of the episode and the date is struggling to make conversation. Yeah let's be honest. The real the real. Get for. Steve is the fact that he has these like giant sideburns and that he liked does something to do with funeral homes. That's the draw him on the show and then he gets upside burned midway through the date. So what's he gonna do this thing you now. That's his thing. Yeah and now that. I know that there's a whole community of counting. You know graveyard accountants. Then he doesn't have thing. Yeah and now. He's just like winning a million now doesn't even have a good draw So steve has like these epic. Sideburns were sideburns. Having a moment in two thousand. And two that i missed. I know definitely dated. A guy in must've been around the mid now mid to late early two thousand early audits and he had really big mutton chops so it was definitely a thing But this guy wasn't quite muttonchop enough for me. They were like they're not like wide enough. He was gonna do aside. Burn thing but then like chicken now halfway through and again if that's the most interesting thing about this guy. In my opinion like the the draw here was francesca. It was not steve. Who's pretty boring. Yeah he's also twenty-six dating the twenty one year old and not to say that that's a huge age difference but she just turned twenty one so he's like let's go drink. I like you know. I'm not at twenty six. I wouldn't a twenty one year old like just not someone feels like to fresh like you. Gotta you gotta go to more bars and do stuff. Even though she doesn't seem like she's had a problem getting into bars and things she got a few times. People buy me drinks here. People buy me drinks. I'm like you know maybe he. He seemed like he was looking to have a good time and she might have been looking for someone to date. I'll say that well she doesn't date anybody under twenty five. So you know people are going to have to the sacrifice and date this young woman who is also a sorority girl by the way which is apparently her occupation soon we. We'd never learned anything else about her. All we know is that she went to college. Did we find out that. Apparently she's from colorado and guys are not shy about buying drinks and colorado real tough time about a here right buying an underage woman. She just her twenty one friday she. She was on the day need for people to buy her. The drinks settled. This date. Kicks off with some belly. Dancing lessons. Okay you know very on brand for blind date okay Learn how to belly dance my favorite line from this. Partisan she says you know. I'm kind of a natural britney. What does that mean. I thought about it. She's talking about britney spears someone tells you that just was talking about red flags earlier. You put this on the list of red flags. I'm a natural. Britney britney britney like okay okay perils tweets pop up at the bottom of the screen like. I feel like even if someone today said. I'm kind of a britney. I feel like i would. Yeah yeah no. I think that is a good. You don't think it's good for. I think like it's great international. Our now maybe not so much of a good thing. You know to be a natural belly dancer. I feel like that's a true talent. All right steve is not not good at no. No he's definitely like putting out all in the but duncan dunk. That's for sure. It's a lot of hip. Not a lot of billy going on with steve stars stability dance. What's what's worse being a natural brittany or a full on mini or modi. I think that it's worse being a full day. Yeah yeah cafaro way. It looks good but up close to the big all. I was attribute today. But what so we get into then dinner and we hear the story about the difference between how in colorado guys baiju drinks so that they can talk to you in. La guys talk to you and then buy you drinks. Isn't that interesting. Oh interesting now. We know why they need the clip art because otherwise these are the conversations that we're listening to. How did he even get in this conversation. The first place like how did francesca get to this point where she had to tell the story. I think she was loud talking. You know like she saw who show the johnny with the sideburn throw it. She's like you know what someone bob theory dip. It is symbiosis that she was going to have this conversation the way she's alluding to please somebody guy buy me a drink. But that's what happens when you date a twenty one year old. That's all they think about because they just started doing their. Yeah she's like just this week sense and he's like yeah. It makes sense like us but still boring to talk about The thing is is this. Just one little snippet of their conversation as rob said. They're traveling like forty five minutes between locations guaranteed franchesca talked about fifty other topics in between those in between those car. Rides this girl. Because honestly i probably was this this poor man. Steve has nothing to give on these on these talks like she's talking and he just nodding his halio again. I don't think he's here to date her. I think he's got like a little bit more fun on the on the horizon or that's it he said he doesn't look for anything serious so it looks like he's back laid back they go to dublin's irish pub and she asks him so like a. What kind of guy are you was you mean. What are you steve. If i want to ask you that you have like if you're a horrible person you have to live this. There's no right answer to this question because if you're telling the truth then okay that like everyone's going to say i'm a good guy or i'm honest i'm loyal or whatever no one in that moment is gonna say i live in the house. Like what kind of guy are you this. Yeah i'm a fixer. Of what was it officials. Fixer upper good foundation. He's russia downed guy. I'm structurally sound. You know who sets boring. And but here's the thing. Sivas an accountant for funeral homes and his turnoff is missing teeth. Like obviously there's no what who's turned off as like no one likes missing teeth. There has every right is turn off. Right is louie exactly. So what is he what. What is he supposed to say here when you ask. What kind of guy are you. What's the right answer. I think the issue is beds there. Five hours into the state. They already had a two hour car ride from one side of away to the other side of ally and she has to ask this question I would turn it around. What kind of girl are you Eventual talk for another twenty minutes in that would be great for For steve who doesn't wanna talk at all all right so now things take a turn when all the sudden the guy from across the room with even bigger sideburns. The jess alluded to where. Okay so steve. The account has sideburns. This man just has like. I don't even know how i would describe as chops include but very thin margin shops like a straight line. You basically like velcro like in a racer like onto the sides of his face. This is the most disgusting fraser era. My life yeah. this man. Sideburns are so offensive first of all but they given him the confidence that i aspire to have because this man watches the date right he sees steve and francesca and the cameras. He sees it there on a date and he decides to buy her drink in the middle of their date then invites himself over to just have a conversation and introduce yourself in the middle of the day. Yeah i party in the middle of the day. Go away letty. Jobs go away chapelle. How do you handle this. If you are steve the accountant on a first date with this woman and now here comes johnny sideburns. He ascended rink to this woman. You're on a date with donny. Button shows up all right so first of all when the waiter comes over and says hey. Here's a drink for for you drink. I am order the mountain. Doing scott for the lighting and and one more drink from johnny buttons over there. That's when you tell her don't worry about it. I'll buy your drink and reach over and you drink the one that johnny is a power move move. Yeah her your drink. Usually i'll get you another one. You drink that one. I think in the country. Now i contact to when you look at him. You have to look at him as you drink it. And then thank him. Wave yale if that happened. Francesca her whole attitude towards steve. With turnaround right the. I'm not saying it's something similar to this happened to me. But i was maybe at a steakhouse with a friend. Maybe and when i went to the restroom i came back and she. She likes attention. I'm an attention giver. We wish i come sit down. And she says oh. The waiter tried to hit on me. And so i said oh. Do you want me to get him fired. And she was like no. My god was today. She was like well he must really like. He's gonna get away to firebombing. I was like. I never intended on getting fired but at the same time. So don't play me. Tim you should we choose violence. He's i should. I have a conversation with me. Should i get fired chugging on fire. I mean 'cause you obviously want meeting some attention should you told him no. He went away if he comes back over here. I will dismiss him. Because you're on the clock and don't be unprofessional. But johnny muddies. You've gotta flex on johnny buttons. You gotta take the drink and you have to look him or you have to pour it out you know. What if you made contacting just went off. Yeah no sideburns. Yes take but that's just the first part of this interaction. Because now johnny is gonna come sit down and park at the table and now start up a conversation with francesca and by the way the handle things in any way shape or form the way that chapell described. He sat there and then here comes. Here comes johnny was the hey So what's going on. I'm having a party tomorrow night. You wanna come visit. This party is like i'm like a business card. Also it's tiny. Why is it just small flyer for a party. I feel like the thing about steve is. Steve loves assertive women and so by proxy. I assume that steve is just a super laid back guy so he doesn't know how to handle this interaction. Meanwhile johnny mines is like super assertive dude. Who's like let me buy you a shot and invites you to a party while you're already on a date. He does not give an enough that. Steve is on this date with virtual. Absolutely not yeah. An francesca lakes more laid back guy. She i don't know if she's into the jani mutton i thought that she was into. I mean it very very happy like she. She was her face lit up in a way that it did not with steve absolutely she that was forward but it wasn't like a dismissive. That was forward. It was like i'm really into this. And i was thinking that she was all aboard the johnny train Yeah i thought she just wanted the free trade. I do wonder that. I mean johnny thunder that being like a dj or something like he's johnny like night. Basically this is his move of. He's buying he's buying drinks for different young women and then giving the flyer to them and saying hey tomorrow night. I'm having this party where i'm a. Dj and then basically like this is what he's not dating any of these people he's just inviting young women to his. Dj thing tomorrow night. Like a promoter. Yeah like okay. Here's my card. Makes you ticks me so that you can get in for free. I can help you skip the line. He's a creep. I them the i hate. Johnny mudan people like that deserve nothing nice in life. You know interrupt. Someone's day televised. Because now i have to embarrass myself on television by embarrassing you. 'cause i'm already getting dunked on on tv. You know. if i'm blind date. I'm imagining the whole time. What the captions are saying like. Look at this schmuck like like. It's a win. Johnny walks up. I'm imagining the caption. Alive looking at sideburns. Like he's out he's gonna outside burn you and so of course i'm gonna puff my chest out a little bit. I'm going to cloud him on television. I would have. I would have various my whole family and every friend. That i know they would have been like. Have you talked to appeal in the damn fool because johnny button showed up at the sun. You know absolutely not. This was not okay. Francesca has a special place for janis. Business card now just and sarah is this sort of like garter bell Wallet is this a new invention. I think this is an invention as old as time i think. Probably from the fifteen hundreds. I think that this is like honestly the system bridgeton stuff. Yeah you get the gardell own wallet and you put any necessities in there. You've got your lipstick. You've got your keys. Got your credit card. This is blake a classic thing. Yeah i think this totally makes sense in the age before cell phones. This makes so much sense because nowadays we have the cell phones that have like a credit card slot. And all of that. You know the cell phone case has that in. It makes more sense but pre cell phone. This is genius. You can wear a tight dress. No one can see it. It's up your legs. So i i mean i feel like i doubt someone would mug you in that area usually. It's a genius idea now. It's kind of obsolete back in the day. That was really cool. I would think there's a chance that you're gonna lose everything is that is that crazy lawf- yet they feel like that again. I don't really understand like how it's not just like you put one too many things in here and this thing is going to to care. There's a lot of drinking that goes on. i feel like for the wearer of this realistically. I think you're either putting it in your garden or wallet or you're putting it in your bra like where if you're wearing a tight dress. Where else are you putting your cash. Honestly might rash. Bring a fanny pack. I thinking that this is a better move. Then the fanny. Pack and dan in the bra A garter holster. Like she's like annie oakley like she just whips out the gun from mike car. Which is this. Is this like the woman with the gap on the go. You know to keep things because if your leg rubbing together. I don't think this is a good time. I don't think you wanna wear this now. What else did she have in their cash lipstick that she could put lipstick in there if she felt like wearing lipstick like okay. I guess you don't really wearing lipstick tonight. And that's kind of a bad spot for lipstick personally especially if it's a bullet lipstick maybe like a liquid lip would work in that area. But i feel like like on your thigh could get pretty warm and a bullet lipstick something you wanna put in there and personally they are going to have the taxi ride home. And steve is going to the request a kiss and it is not really gonna happen this to wa- no dice. Yeah they have been connecting. He has the no this. This man just interrupted your day. Which i think any woman would probably look a little bit differently if you just let that happen. And so now in the car kind of awkwardly he says hey can advocates nope. Oh what why to the first days is that just like a rule of thumb or is this or have you ever done the double handhold the end of a date. Gosh no yes. I have done monster. No not like i know but the thing is it's like the i d it's like asking to kiss at the first day is just terrible like guys like take the initiative just Kissed the first state go in though he didn't want to risk the cheek. Oh that's true. Doug did get the cheek. But still i think like take the shot for the kiss. Rest the cheek on. Don't ask 'cause that loot reuther over mandic aspect of it Oh gosh it was hard to watch the no look. I'd much rather you give me the teak then. Give me the double hands like if i see you. Don't touch me i like. I don't know what's worse the double hand told or like the awkward hug with like your butts out what's worth the two but they're both really cringing. I'll tell you what's worse. A one handed a one armed hug. Oh you're with the gamblers space. It's like you pows sixth grade that's the bottom tier of The hugs could have been worse for him worse. Then we get the roger lodge because like so what they really think about all this. They're going to go on another date. Let's let's find out. And we find out Francesca was big fat. Now it take him romantically. That's a nice way of saying it was. It was fun. Yeah it was fun But she she is going to go with them as steve if he gets the zone from friend right but she does want to go to a party but he says want like him like that but yeah which party party party. Twenty one line. That's what they do They do my favorite part of this episode. And it's my favorite part of most blind date. Episodes is the very end. They'd like to insert random like mismatch. Yeah this time. It was blood they mismatch. Sometimes it's other things you just have to watch episodes. I have you get to see them all. But the blind date mismatch was very entertaining. You had yvonne and jason and they went to dinner and in the midst mask portion. They always jumped to the bad part right. They don't wanna get the. Hey let's let's yada yada all the meet and greet the hair segments all that stuff. Let's jump right into where it all goes the hill. And i mean she. Yvonne seems like a really nice lady. She's like you know what. I'm from across the pond in from overseas. Whether from and you seem like you're a bit hesitant with that but now it feels like you're listening losing up and he says no. Actually i want to get something. You might have leave you here at the bar. I don't want to new day dinner. He just leaves her. There was like this is the content that i come here for finished the bread basket. Yeah yeah to see you ve on. That may might have been jason like not being happy with the blind date production just in general like. I don't look. I've seen the show. I don't like this. this is going through trajectory. I'm pulling the ripcord on out what i like that. They basically followed von to another bar. The ken fiddle and it was like. Hey you seem like you're we just you around the rest of the night and you know she probably told him to. The guys like kenya go and she looks at the producer's like hang out there like shirt wherever. Let's go do something. I'm gonna go get started. Yeah yeah she goes to the cat and fiddle and it looks like very quickly. She meets a what we think might be guy. And he's kissing all over looking yvonne yvonne yvonne yvonne so going to last for fifteen minutes. That's for sure. Yeah right the blind date mismatch It seems like smart on the producers. Part where it's like. I guess that they have sort of like these. Not fully formed episodes of blind date where it's like whatever they they didn't get to three segments but they're going to figure out some way how to use this footage and not have it be a total waste to yeah. This is a reality. Tv kind of trope as well where reality tv shows always liked to have like the goofy outtakes right so it might be the auditions on american idol. Or something like this where you have like a compilation of the things that you that brought you here to watch this show. There are some very good things you can take from. Show like blind date like you can watch people find true love. I'm sure i don't know if i've ever seen in my thousands of episodes watching it. I'm sure it's a possibility. But you're always gonna get a trainwreck. We're gonna try to make sure we get one of those in each episode and that's what keeps people coming back Yeah so i think. That's what the the mismatch four but they have other segments to. They'll do like like they might do like if someone goes on a second day. Maybe they'll i do a follow with them. Yeah they drafted they try to make it interesting especially if it's an interesting couple you know or they'll like just highlight at the very like. Oh this happened. Sometimes because they want to publicize the hotline the blind highlight. It's like a one eight hundred number. You call and i guess you talked to roger lodge on the phone either way. Talking about the blind date hotline is not a commercial for that so i took the liberties of calling the blind date line and Good news good news. It's still up and running. Just i'm not quite sure if it's blind date exclusive but a it's definitely you call the number and it's still a dating hotline rod. That's up and running so you press one if you wanna talk to sexy singles that are men you press two if you wanna talk to women so it's still hot hot running and god and your next podcast series. Yeah from. I get charged. Fifteen dollars can be really awkward to talk about why i been calling. The blind date hotline. No no no pro tips as you hang up before you put your credit card. Information rodriguez before jeeze. If russia is on social media that he is the host of the sports lodge is the los angeles angels of anaheim pre game show. Wow on english. Am eight thirty. you can check out. Roger lodge is roger lodge on twitter. He is yes a chapelle. He is verified and had seventeen thousand followers. Do you think roger lodge would say hi to me. If i told him i was a big fan elmich oh either ten percent well. I don't know the this comes up like with mark l walberg on The temptation island podcasts. That i think mark l walberg follows every single thing about you love it. I'm not sure if roger lodge is trying to distance himself from the blind date at this point okay. Well a mom was killed constructing my tweet. I'll let you know what he said. Maybe we have a day. Because i am definitely reaching roger. Lie he needs to know that this shows shaked me As a human being and as a person all the things aspects so that was all one episode but also another clip which was titled on youtube. The most epic episode of blind date ever thought that i could not submit it in you know as as Content for us to talk about. You have to know what the most epic episode of it you know. Yeah and this was pretty epic. It was happy. But i. I feel like that. They may have oversold this particularly blind date clip episode. Like i mean that. The i mean there are many many episodes of blind date ended hot tubs and like most end up with a razor in a drunk person like this fine. Would you say this was the most epic ever blind date. No but by no means was is the most epic and i've i've seen a lot of them and i mean they're the people have done some wild stuff on this show. There have been people who've come in and join the date like like sideburns guy non leave there are dates where these things turned out really really good. Thanks for great. Tv we signed. This one turned out really bad. There were coming attractions for episodes where people were getting like. Buck naked on these Blind date so you know these dates get wild. Yeah this was pretty tame for the blind date audience but for youtube. I think this is. This was a pretty date. Oh yes Best word yeah. Epic is almost not the best word for this disastrous ago. messy drunk. Yeah all right. Lauren and bill so he's our we've paired up to. Ucla college students who loves to drink match made it has go. Yeah yet both third years which is amazing Lauren loves You know she's loves talking also she's never been in love she says being is key or else it won't work and he likes intimate encounters in public places. So just justin sweating over. I hated this. I hated this. The minute i heard this i was like Excuse me sorry just famously. Likes going on dates in public with her teachers in her family there as well to watch he loves. Pda type thing. Yeah thanksgiving days. But the yardstick seeing that bills turn on with smooth skin and i was like foreshadowing for later in the day. This this day wasn't absolute miss. It didn't have to be no. It did not have to be. I think you had two people who are on the same wavelength i. We're just trying to have a good time. I'm twenty one year twenty two. let's go drake. let's go like fun. They called me wild. They called me inhibited. They got they're doing all the edges. Everything's matching up. You know the the alcohol said i. I wanna some pre alcohol They hit over to the four points. Sheridan which is which is a right outside of lax. It's basically like what if you were going to like. Basically have a layover in los angeles for the night. This is a place that you would go and that this. He's just giving her a massage in the four point sheridan. Did it anybody quite understand what this part of the date is. Yeah what's brady to the airport sheridan and then you give her a massage. Yeah the only good thing is that they both got Four points sheridan robes got to go home with. So that's a plus there. Would you ever let a person massage you on your first date with them. Both was pre covid. Hey maybe pre pre covid. Maybe anything's possible. Berlet somebody that we're sunglasses on the back of their head. Give me a massage. That's probably the beer. That's the bigger point of all of this. Why are you wearing those on the back of your head. Say how dare you love yourself. Why do you have a chin. Strap so many questions. Yeah let's get back to the chinstrap anyway right so we've talked about facial hair a little bit again we know just as a big fan fairs. She likes beard right. Yeah but this is an obnoxious chinstrap. And i don't even know if it would be obnoxious if the producers weren't letting us know every three seconds that this chinstrap is a problem because the cartoon images that are popping up are just the chinstrap just go into town ducking on everyone and like talking about how important to chinstrap is to this date and you really kinda lose sight of the day because the chinstrap is distracting. And kind of think she had the same. I think after awhile learn is only like well. Let's talk about that. You know like she could not address it anymore but those are his personality traits. It's alcohol and i like chinstraps. My question for y'all is do you think that they got to have any say so in the dates they go on like. Do you think this was his i like. Hey let's go give each other massages or do the producers say no. That's not we don't want to do that like what happens. If you just completely against the date. I think most people like well. This is not my thing you think doug wanted to go into the snapple. Yes they in fact they try to find something that you're purposely not gonna like. Yeah they want you to put you in uncomfortable situations. Yeah to air day seemed relatively comfortable and they had deep conversation about their longest relationships now. Twenty one and twenty two year old talk about so. What's your log is relationship. It doesn't matter if you had a relationship before you twenty one and you're still not and it it doesn't count sorry Yeah when you're twenty one in your say your longest relationship is two and a half years. Then that's a high school relationship. It's not that impressive Yeah and hers was four months and i felt seen They're gonna go to dinner now and with dinner comes drinks and this a sushi restaurant. What kind of restaurant was this. This is a tie rush high restaurant. Look this up on. Larch mallets a thai restaurant on large mouth. It's known for its Hot tiger waitresses. It's essentially the hooters of thai restaurants. Okay so who it is. It's chance okay. i did notice there. Waitress had like a pink t shirt with like a fake tie on it. And i was like that is very early like levin who. They actually got in a little bit of trouble for their treatment of the hooter girls of time john. So what trouble did they get into way. You would expect get shots with dinner. I'm sorry who orders shots with dinner with dinner. And i believe it was shot of yeager doing shots of yeager and also eating Margaritas during this mayor vera landau. Yeah long island. Iced teas like we totally. We got the whole heap of drinks on this day. Blended margaritas love. Ya love ya. Did we see like a different part of bills personality. Come out as he's starting to drink a tin. Can anybody describe how bill gets once he starts drinking. He's allowed douche. The scientific term is probably like sloppy. Sloppy mess he. Yeah he sucks. I mean he gives superdrug. I'm not even gonna talk about the state of his close. We can get on that later. But he gets superdrug and he's he's kind of like either party drunk so he wants to talk. I was shot. He wants to dance. he's doing the things he's very entertaining to watch. But you can see her kind of losing interest i. she's with him and then she started realize like oh no he can't hold his liquor like our can and then he's like falling over a little bit his speeches learn he. Is this before or after they know this is when he there's another location to get. Here's here's a coolest thing about them. They get drunk before they go to the dive bar rock and then they move on. Yeah thaddeus yeah. She was feeling at this point a little bit but he kind of screws that blow this popsicle stand so we see all the md glassware from all the drinks. And then they head off to the sagebrush cantina which i mean you can look this up on the map there in like central los angeles and saved first game easily. Forty forty five minute car. Ride to get ways in the valley to get to the same brush cantina and now the subject of the chinstrap is sarah. What can you tell us about the sagebrush cantina mature. You've looked it up. I you know. I just was so flora. They're gonna rob spots. Okay tell us about it. Now it's a place in calabasas where they have a big like outdoor bar area. So you know it's a decent place to go very very far away from where they were on the last spot and on day and did you order a raise. Your with your doing. So this is definitely like like. She's she must have been complaining about the chinstrap and like the producers. Tell like all right. You get over to rite aid. Go buy a pack razors and whip cream and because they they shave with whipped cream me maybe the sagebrush cantina gave them the whip cream but they definitely sent some out to go. Buy disposable razors. This was this was the survivor amazon moment or like get us some chocolate and peanut butter like whip cream and razor the garage schick. Yeah i believe he said. Bring me a margarita in a in a razor and they did and this woman began to. Okay well here's the he's like. can i save it. Please cannot chinstrap away from my date. Yeah he goes. I mean if let me kiss you then yeah sure. She's like fine. i don't care. Thanks against the razor issue. The work that point. I think he feels like i've done it. Like geez. likes me you know. She's saving facial hair. She says she's gonna kiss me. We're having a good time. She's been drinking. I'm wasted. This is working. everything's fine chapelle. Things to last week's. Rj p rewind. That recently talked about Therese i feel like had an incident like this. Yeah therese was doing some shaving as it went viral. I wouldn't look it up if you're you know kind of thing but it definitely it might be trapped. Just show boom. Yeah yeah yeah so. I think he's drunk enough to where he's like. You know i'm winning. I think i'm here. He's like you'll love it. you'll love it. you love it. And then he does the thing where he reaches over she kissed him kissed him sloppily a he thought he had it buoy. Ah he kept saying he saying anytime. Bu bing what do you think what do you think. What do you think the operator singing the song. You got the jump on a patron karaoke. Sing operator shop not even like a recent hit in two thousand and two i thinking smooth operator holiday because i think if the i think he thinks if he says you love it enough times that she actually will indeed love it But it's just there's no going no she ler. She didn't love it. He spills a drink full on in her lap in her lap. It looked rink was like a white russian or something that he spilled. It was whatever they've been. Dipping was the word tanks. were monster. Could've had some of his blood in it. Because i have a question for sarah so you have a significant other. Who has facial hair or ken. Grow facial hair i should say. Have you ever shaved his face. Terrified i've never shaved his spy. Do think that she did lauren. Really good job. Shaving his face to really small expressive considering. She's been drinking as well. Yeah never never shaved but somehow my fiance still consistently cuts himself every single time. He shaves even doing this. For goodness knows how long so i fully expect there to be some droplets in there Especially because she used they whipped cream like it will be effective in a situation like this. Why like if they're going to get him a razor. They might as well get him shaving gel. Because i'm like what is the producers thinking when they're like are they going to she. Maybe she'll lick the whipped cream off. I'm sure that i mean. She did seem like she was into it until the razor juice fell on like once that happened wants to why russia in wasted on her. It was over those there in life. We have very sobering moments right where you want. This one thing happens. That's no coming back. Yeah it's over. and this was it and he. He doesn't even notice right like it happens and she completely breaks. She's done over and he's still like yeah. you like. It started to make eleven in the backseat. He's he's like no. Are you mad at me. He says he says it's going to be like hell. Yes season do you. You are you love it. Do we need to bring it back. Just brought it back. Yeah one hunch bought. It rarely our back. Yeah also you know. Because he's so drunk. He's basically having a party for himself in the back seat of the car they like go get them dropped off at their destination and she wants nothing to do with him he goes in for the kiss gives me. She denies them. She kissed the cheek. You loved it hurt. Did you just miss that part. Where she doesn't love it because he really doesn't and that's the end of their day follow up. She confirmed she did not love it. He's still i love it. Yeah you look mood. This man is man she called me also a dumb ass also leads to get on his boat and meet a girl who doesn't realize what so. She's so beautiful. She sell high. She loved it. Did you loved it. I really did love it. I mean i ever since. I watched this episode. I have been quoting him constantly. It's all i think about. I love it. I love it. Yeah i'll just boulia what do you think what do you think i'm blended blended blended man oviedo. Follow up on bill. Have you been able to track him down. So no no follow bump bill really really really hoping that he got the second day But maybe i need to continue my deep dives and get a final answer on. Where bill is today. Maybe it's more of the listeners. Knows bill yeah. I would hope so. Yeah guy. please blended margarita gel. My gosh interested. Let me know if you know if you know. Please information i will look we. Do you loved it. you loved it. That's what i'm gonna ask. Roger lied when he and i write girl girl guy broke down to lose. One was in all cads wound man good times of their that covers the required reading for the week however there was some other good stuff that happened. Of course. Sarah is as we were just watching a bunch of clips. She sent me a good clip of harley and christina a punt couple that their aesthetic was punked they were meant to be they have similar kinks and fetishes that we find out about. He likes wedgies and she likes cross. Dressing man it worked out. It was a she does he lies she capable or giving wedge receding reggie. He likes receive in receiving job. Each other a play each other Couple to the they're biting. She's like oh baby harder. It was the date from heaven for these. Two people like a match made in heaven. They do it. All they give each other wedgies they go and they give each other makeovers like they. He legit cuts her hair tips. The ocean yeah. Yeah take shots skinny. Dip in the ocean ship john of like blind date episode. Where it's like. These people are so weird and they're perfect for each other. Yeah get that once in a while. Honestly my favorite genre. I will like i like to see all the you know slightly left of center. People meet their significant others involved in love. And i hope this to these people hope they have a loving marriage and plenty of kids right now. Sarah yeah i heard that couple actually moved into gather and ben Were dating for a while. And then they got engaged. But then i heard that they broke up star social construct. They're probably still happy together. We just we just. Can't you know societal norms. All the time. I i wish you the best of luck i would like to know if any couple worked out from the show at all. I was curious because there's so many episodes of blind date. I'm like i wonder what their success ratio is like compared to like the bachelor better not been the same better for yeah Yeah rob yes. You got something about this date. I was not going to add about the the date. Ooh what you got you say that. In these episodes that we watched there were a lot of the baked in commercials. That was gonna see if anybody had any anything interesting from the two thousand and two year commercials that we saw in this youtube video serious flashbacks. All att america's next top model commercial looked at that every wide essen designer. I really enjoyed watching the interior design school from the puck punk couple episode. I was like oh. I got to get there. I gotta go to interior design school. I gotta learn loved the eight miles commercial. It was road releasing friday eight mile Episode for wrestling with the rock on it. Yeah yeah there is a carney asada taco bell. Gotta love that lever. Two thousand soap. I don't think that's the thing anymore right. I didn't know what that was here. I think it's still. I think they've dropped the two thousand. They have rebranded a twenty first century. Fox thing so long it used to be the thing to be the commercial. I remember it so vividly and now did you mention it. Just it's almost like they just stopped advertising. Because i've seen a lever commercial sola or maybe i stopped watching supermarket sweep. Maybe that's one kind of the reality show because if so stay tuned select whatever rob one of the things. The ladies of the ninety show taught me crew do every segment of boy meets world. Is they talk about The fashion in the episode. Sarah do you have any clip. i i do. I am going to share my screen and we're going to have. We called this fashion. Our over at ninety shows taught me. And i had some nominee ends and you guys are going to help me. Decide who the ultimate fashion winner is first up we have francesca and her initial date outfit. Francesca is wearing a pook necklaced. Which on over by our podcast beer always very bothered by. You're not a fan of the pook necklace trout right now. He black cami at a terry cloth mini skirt which is so early two thousands nineties it is such a look and then she also has these really really small sunglasses which her really a big thing small glasses for the longest time. I thought i was terrible. At wearing sunglasses turns out in. I'm just don't look good in small sunglasses on the most people. Do some people twenty people do next up. We have Mister wolverine himself johnny. Minds of a conspiracy theory about johnny mountains last week or the other week on america's next top model we learned about facial hair weaves chapelle. What's the likelihood that this is a facial hair. We definitely giving you lakefront vibes here. Yeah this is i'm not. It's like he went to the store. And said i i'm thinking pony boy curtis you know give you a lot of outsiders it. This is disgusting facial hair all the listeners to go in and how low these trump's go down because it's almost like his clavicle these damn hair. This is lake though that they don't even look real hair is coming out of parts that like are all get janek. Your sideburns are growing only down his face and then growing lower than his face. I'm this is a a. We might be they might be. Yeah so so. We don't think the carbon mentioned. I'm surprised he's not wearing like a weight. Ribbed tank top to be honest. Or how about this all right do you think. Is it possible. Chapelle like shenanigans on blind date blind date producers. They've got they've got this date going on. And they they have steve and they have. Francesca date super boring. Steve has has big sideburns and the most boring date ever like. Okay we know how like all right. Call in johnny johnny. Go pick up tape on sideburns. You need to come in and have bigger sideburns in this guy and then hit on the girl right in front of steve. That'll be great. You know alot shenanigans. This adds a whole different layer to the to my viewing experience. And i have to watch all these episodes now because now. I'm starting to think that all of this shenanigans. Among the producers of blind date they just trying to get a segment. Yeah that's true really you know. Oh my gosh. I can just imagine them. Live like bringing chop sky because we we have to like fixes. We have to add some excitement to this day guy. He's like the sexy. Decoy from mari in the green room. You think of your wife and like the woman walks like do you want to cheat with me. This is c. decoy. Also like this happens or right after. They're at the dinner where she's talking about. How oh in denver is by you issue by a drink and now they've got the super boring date going on like all right all right. Here's the on the fly all right. Let's get a guy in here. Get him long sideburns. he'll come in order to send a drink to her. Let's see what happens. They already got the planned out. That's wild this. I'm going to add this to my list of things i'm gonna ask roger lodge day doing on these like forty five minute car ride. Like how do we make this interesting. Finding bigger sideburns. Drink the f stop by the costume shop by like a big fake moustache tape it on like sideburns and then get down here. It's so cleanly shaven otherwise. Yeah you know. My biggest issue isn't even the sideburns. I thought this was a muscle shirt. It is not their looks like a pillowcase. With arms in it what does he wear tight. It's so tight though. Tie like look at the crease beneath his armpit like that shirt is screaming. Please help me god. He leaves off. He locked himself. You did it look. Also we haven't pointed out the awful awful bracelet. He's wearing which is a thick black bikes on it. It's hot topics. Do manic panic. Next up back to out. We got lauren out with her margarita and wearing a off the shoulder read. Sure this like big statement necklace. We've got some who some black pants robbed. What do you think of lawrence scher ion. Jump out to me as anything. That is that bad. Do you feel like this is a major fashion. Don't i just i honestly. I like the shirt. I think i have the same shirt but in black off the shoulder shirts were really big and i think they've made a comeback she yeah she managed to look like a normal human being in the early two thousands and left off last. We are to francesca. She is worrying number one. She has put the drink umbrella in her hair. Which is something that you didn't do at your friend's bar mitzvah than i don't know what you're doing. She is wearing a floral dress. That is a white and red print and She's wearing her garter belt wallet. Chapelle what do you think of her entire symbol. I think she looks like a twenty one year old. You know she actually having a good time. The garter belt a wallet type situation is still. It's concerning but you know she seems to make it work so i'm not mad at it. What about you guys. Just where it's going to fall off. I think it's a cool thing. I mean i totally could see being drunk enough to not notice it sliding down your leg though. Like that's the concern. I think you need to double holster it or something to any to garters one around the top. One around the bottom yes genus. Okay so now we oh for our winner robs you have a winner out of our voting for the best of the worst. It's hard oftentimes. The best is the for johnny sideburns. I'm overruling you might vote offensive. He's wearing that eight. like dobby. the house get another jessica. Who wants your vote. I feel like i have to go from kgo franny. She has the cool. His little bursts gardner bell thing. I seen. It's innovative and again. I was definitely the girl as when i was twenty one. That would put the umbrella in my hair. I connect with franny. I get her. I understand her her effect. And then chapelle. Do you have your finals though. To dictate the winner got to a second votes affair. Francesca you know he's either like i mean. It's a nifty contraption. And i've never seen it before and i hope that wherever she is today she still wearing one. Congratulations thank you pat billion dollars if i can buy one of so i mean the only time that you can possibly look for one is during work hours so you're gonna have to wait tomorrow. She said that's where she surfs the web. When was the last time you surf. The web branch called stash bans with the z with z. And these sell them on amazon for twenty dollars rod. This might make you feel better. There are bigger now. there are a bit wider. And you can also your cell phone and they have a photo of someone with their passport. Totally gone out of business during covid where we're not leaving the house. Didn't they need the the garter a flask in there it hides a sixth lisk. Another calling it. A running belt also holds an insulin pump. If that's to think as you hide it or show it off. Yes we might need to look for a sponsorship. 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But yes i really question for. Roger lodge ask him that. Will there be any blind date and that you can invest in. He probably would sell it to me instantly. He would be like. Oh thank god. I thought you'd never have Like i didn't see the point of them but now did you put it into terms that i can understand. We talk about blind date. Whatever clips of this epic date. If i could only do. I don't get royalties though if people watch it. I don't get anything right now because somebody else we'll think about it. Put a pin in it. We'll come back all right well. This was so much fun. It wasn't a love blind date free. Dvr past for the the new one this out and the nikki glaser one can be found on pluto tv. I believe And so you can watch them. But they're also pretty much full episodes on youtube as well but like i said i didn't want to get into the new because i don't know that show very well. The one i know is the one that was not for kids. That had me glued to the television literally everyday. Yeah every yeah well so much fun All right so justin sarah. What's going on the shite. Ninety shows Taught me podcast scotto So we do weekly boy meets world and dawson's creek content so pure into either their shows definitely check out. We also do bonus content so for the month of may. You're doing baseball may so we're starting off hiring baseball. 'cause we're sports podcasts. Yes obviously yeah. Yeah so we are covering a league of their own with the great grace leader. We are recording that this sunday on so definitely keep us in mind in. Check that out. You can finest at s. h. I t. nineties pod on twitter and instagram And you can find me at sarah ferguson. Yes i am. The just. And i'm also on the community building. Podcast over at post. Show recaps rewatching show community which are schwager who has never seen it before so give that a. Listen if you like that show chapelle. What's coming up for. You know just hanging out. I'll probably be popping in on sarah when she hosts her weekly pop culture. Update on clubhouse. Rj yes yes on definitely check us out on clubhouse behind the weekly our pop culture are happening Every friday at six o'clock It might be a dying dying dynasty but definitely check us out there. It's a lotta fun you feel like the clubhouse is slowing down no sabina iot bringing it back. Yeah sound chapelle william. What's your take on clubhouse. I think if you find the rooms and you're always going to have some. I've i've found a lot of stuff. I think people are looking for you to make contact with them and that's the hard part if you're looking for someone to make content for you the yeah. You might be struggling but if you can gather the people that you have like interest with you can always talk about. Sarah doesn't really good job of doing that. With the pop culture happenings. I love the poppy in. Yeah yeah as the baseball says. If you build it they will come and is my con- that's that's that's my theory on the clubhouse if we build it they will. I still love it. I just had a hard time getting on there. I feel like that. I'm been like grow. I'm either watching something. Some other. Like nineteen our season of survivor or again lot stuff going on trying to pack up my house to move. It's been it's been hard like i. I enjoy listening in. But then i feel like a lot of pressure to them to like jump on the clubhouse and talk. Yeah i hear you. I hear you. That's why i think it's best that if you wanna just be a person on the clubhouse then We shall not call you out. Make you feel pressured to come on like yesterday. I had to start to just Sarah didn't want to jump on the call. Because i had i only had a couple of minutes. I didn't want to join the call and then leave. Yeah that's why. I was like you know if you have the answers my question than just the me. And that's i think. That's the right approach. 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448 - Napoleon Hill

The Dollop with Dave Anthony and Gareth Reynolds

1:35:31 hr | 8 months ago

448 - Napoleon Hill

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Then I'll be doing a little meet-and-greet thing after their and then join me this week because we're doing the on Thursday Wednesday for gifts live on instagram and go to subscribe to my youtube, which is Gareth Rentals TV, and then I also want to Santa Ctober third I will be doing a fundraiser for. Ian Dent in. Richmond Indiana. Who IAN is trying to become the first trans coroner and is running for the position of coroner which actually is. An important role. So I'll be doing a fundraiser talked tober third. You can go to the socials I'll post about that in the next couple of days but Is it down I? Is it the first Trans Corner anywhere I believe? So I believe so and then there is like. There's like. There's progress made obviously in many ways with the trains community but. One being I think it's called named Ed, which is basically you know the idea that when you pass away being able to have the name that you want on your death certificate versus the name you were born with and so I I didn't know that was a fucking thing. Turn around there's more bullshit Oh. Yeah. Never ended I. mean the I mean. And imagined a magical. The freedom country. Like yeah, I mean it's just fucking garbage like the fuck off. So anyway. So yeah. Yeah. So so yeah join me for that will post but that's my buddy rivers. Langley's doing that as a good dude. October twenty sixth eighteen eighty three year our Lord Jesus Christ. Do you remember? That's right. Now. That's my hair look. It looks better than that. INSTAGRAM. Exchange. That was a good one. What happened that day I I had a hat on I took it. Away. Friend I was like he had a hat on. Not Fair. Oliver Napoleon Hill was born in pound Virginia. What other who'd Middle Name Napoleon as yeah we wanted to be a little prick I mean it's really a weird name in eighteen, eighty three. So his father James was a dentist you know in that dentist that's definitely. You mean tooth surgeon. Gum Murderer on the sign, he his dad dabbled in Moonshine. Sure Job When you're I think back then they called it aside dabble. That's right. So his mom Sara died when Oliver was just nine years old and his dad took a whole year to find a new lady and remarry. What would you guess the percentage of these start with a parent dying the first three sentences thirty five or or a kid I mean if you WanNa, get into a parent or a kid, and then I go if a kid or a parent dies is about fifty sixty More but. I figure it's like eighty gets very. All, right. So. So he married Martha and Martha kept Oliver on the quote straight and narrow. Okay. All quotes are from. This entire episode is based on Matt. Novak's American Hester. The American huckster on Paleo Future. Matt Novak is Great Writer I follow him on twitter also. So, Martha pushed him to get an education and she wanted to focus on writing. He was having a hard time after his mom died he. He called it a life of solitude frustration. So she is she pushing for this at like age ten. She's like come on. Yeah. Yeah. Well, she doesn't want to write a book she wants to write. She wants him to use his machination. So. He starts getting into trouble. By twelve carrying a revolver. Sure. Must Writers Armed at twelve? Yeah. It's a ninety ninety percent. A Hemingway thing. Yeah. It's either you have that and a pen. That's right. Martha then bought him a typewriter hoping he would go in the other direction and she told him quote if you become as good with a typewriter as you are with that gun, you may become rich and famous and known throughout the world. Okay. So what's becoming clear to me is that Martha has no idea how to parent. Because I think my own position like that is something. I could totally see my mother doing like finding pot in my bedroom and being like have you tried Pepsi. It just like get out of here like you have a gun. I mean I mean I'm not saying you should have a gun, but if you have a gun. Who's WHO's getting walked back by a typewriter mean look guns are far more fun than typewriters. You know what he should have done. It's just shot the typewriter. Let her know who's boss. Let her know it's up latter her know letter know who's bought. Typewriters have a lot of noise I gotta I was at. That moment I thought maybe a froze, but you didn't face. Sadness. I was reevaluating my life and the choices. Up but come on, let's let's talk off. Air I feel the same way. So all starts writing. He wrote for a small newsletter and then once in a while that the stories that were in there were get picked up and printed in Virginia newspapers. And he starts writing and more and more, and he's writing stories. So this worked. So she gave us okay. He's not a Gareth. He had a really big imagination. When there wasn't a lot going on and he didn't have true life stories to pick from, he would just start making stuff up. Interesting At fifteen, he got a young lady in the area pregnant. and. Demanded, he demanded that they get married. This is I mean I love when someone makes a bad decision Sunday. Like you just like you know what else it needs. Do you need to be married? It's like no, that will help. So. He gets married and advance. He's Back then that's not a crazy. Whatever it's not great. So but then after they get married just a little while after she, she confesses that the kids not his. Oh Shit. Wow. So. He gets the marriage annulled. And he he's still in high school and after high school. What's? What's the matter Oliver? Just stressed over my annulment. Nightmare. After high school after high school, he gets job working for a coal magnate. Rufus airs. Now. There are some biographies that have been written about all over the years. So every once in a while, I'll just say from biography, of Oliver. So, from a biography of Oliver, he quote compensated for his youth. And five foot six stature by adopting the appearance of a serious young executive, ramrod-straight posture impeccable double-breasted suits immaculately pressed white shirts, conservative bow ties and white handkerchiefs neatly posed in the breast pocket. Okay. So he just started dressing the part. is a tiny fancy guy. He's a tiny he started dressing in part. You're correct. It's amazing as middle names, the polio. So he starts. Writing Stories in which he he's writing stories about himself doing stuff and and in the story is he's always very incredibly honest and very trustworthy. And these are not. Writings of fiction these are. Okay. Sure. Sure. I'm not one to judge. Okay I've never judged anyone. So I'M NOT GONNA. Start. Now. Judged me on this show today. So. I'm going to ignore that nonsense. Airs is impressed with Oliver and he promotes him after six months to clerk in a coal mine in Richmond. Can. Then one day. A cashier at a local bank, which is owned by airs. Quote went on a bender one weekend. So the. Cashier. Is plowed and he takes his gun out. He's at a hotel. He takes his gun out. And the he drops and the gun goes off. And it. Shoots and kills a a black bellboy in the hotel. So all the Russia's over and. He says he interviewed the only eyewitness who was there Who set? That's what happened the gun. And then all goes to the bank because the guy was a cashier. which is weird move. So sorry. So the man is back at the bank on Monday like men did I have a hell of a weekend. killed now when I dropped no. No no oliver goes to the shooting. Okay. Here's what happened and then goes to the bank. Right. So it's an interesting. Move usually if there's a shooting, you don't go I got check the bank. Right. Okay And for some reason, the cashier left, the doors unlocked as well as the vault unlocked. All wrote that the bank was a mess inside quote the money scattered around as if a cyclone hit. Okay What's going on? So the bay I mean, are we just in the middle of like a banker meltdown worse than two thousand eight? Well he tells airs what went down but that no money was stolen. Wait. So Sorry. Sorry. Just three clear. Sorry. So Oliver goes to the bank. The bank is totally open. The vault is open. There's money all over the place and the bank is not there. The Bank of shot, the guy not. Right. So okay. So there's just no one at the bank. That's right. and. It's just and there's nobody there. Yeah. Okay so there's just okay I just want to make sure I'm very clear. There is open vaulted open bank. That's right. Okay. Gotcha. Thank you so much. Everything seems fine. So he he wires airs and he tells them what happened and that no money was stolen. and Oliver's offers would write quote. He faithfully counted the money, bounced the books and discovered that not a cent was missing. And then he made sure everybody knew he didn't take any money. And then airs was like man this guy's awesome. Any promoted him to be a manager of a coal mine and his operation. Okay. Because He. allegedly. Went into the bank balanced bad books I guess. which there's money all over the floor. And he just he reorganized it just. Had A montage at the Bank of fixing it. That's right. Now, The New York Times reviewed. BIOGRAPHY, which story was in and concluded Oliver had. A murder. And he he had told the corner it was accidental and he he paid for the bellboys burial. And then and he apparently did to a job promotion. Okay I been very baffled for a second, right okay. So he just again like you were sorting alluded to sort of alluded to earlier he just kind of inflates himself. Yeah and he and he He's doing his own benefit, right? Right? Right. He was like his way of getting a job promotion that was his way of showing that he was a good good guy. Good character employees, right. And he's only nineteen years old sure right? Of course not he's been an old twice. Oliver's biography then says he kicked around for a while doing different jobs but he actually. Married someone at this time. So he leaves that out of his biography and he married Edith Whitman on June seventeenth nineteen three. New Newspapers reported. He was married in Tazewell. They have a daughter in one, thousand, nine, five, the family moved to Alabama for a few months. Intel Oliver sent the family back to Virginia to live with the. down. So He's down in Alabama loan he he gets into the lumber business. And then in his spare time, he would just. Fuck sex workers. Quote, throughout the south. While so he just loved would. It's a hobby situation. Yeah right? Yeah. Of course. Yeah. I like to build and fuck. Marriages. It's. A bad marriage. At one point he went to Virginia took the daughter without the mom knowing. Left the daughter with his mom and then told his wife that she'd never see her daughter again. Well. There's I mean there's some flags emerging here. have. You. Ever I mean that's just A. Classic fight. So. That's a good tactic. Yeah I. Remember. You. I remember you told me a couple of times that you told heather that was missing and she'd never see him again just to get. Well I want. Yeah. I. Was like I wanted to go to a ball game and she was Kinda WanNa. Go to a ball game well, and then there was the other one where you told me she wouldn't let you order off the kids menu that's right and then so you said you went away for about a week and you look People are married. Don't get this. Marriage is hard as kids 'cause 'cause 'cause I'll say as an outsider who's never been married it just sounds crazy. No, it's hard work. It's just to put in the work. Yeah, I know and it just sorta seems it just sorta seems like this is outside of the work because it's like. You know you're sort of. Your insinuating that I just think that's so much stress and pain free you know no, it's the work of marriage. It's the kind of stuff that actually brings you closer. Right okay. Yeah. I guess I just again I've never been married so I don't want to. You don't know because like if I did that I was dating a girl who had a kid and I did that I think that would be bad. But but again, I've never dating is not the same it's different. It's it's different. It's different one hundred. I can't you eighty percent of our listeners, do fake kidnappings with their with their wives and Her husband's. Okay. Okay. So. He also on a January twenty, four, th ninety eight he wrote Edith, a letter quote. I am leaving the country where you'll never bother me. You can only communicate with me through my father and not unless he thinks best. He wasn't leaving the country that was that was sister letter he wrote to his wife. But also who I mean I know he's like nineteen. But like you know you have the appearance of Grownup, you know your letter big love you WanNa talk to me you've gotta go daddy has that for being a grown Got It's not great. He is nineteen, but this is even for a nineteen year old. This is not I would say knock raping an annulment. Yeah. So Edith. Somehow got the child actually files her doors on what she says. She says that he's violent. Full and win war. WHO Yeah. She they she goes. To Divorce Court, he doesn't show up. His friends and his coworkers calm and just describe how he's just having sex with sex workers down Alabama. That's still like to testify your honor. So she gets divorced granted. He didn't come because he was super busy because no, Dave, I believe I believe he did come. So so. He's got kind of Iraqi gone. So he's got this lumber business that he started with another guy. And he starts going around and getting lumber on credit from suppliers, and it's about twenty thousand dollars worth of lumber, and then he goes and he sells the lumber for any prices offered. So even if it's way below what he paid, he just sells it. But Davis he is he creating a lumber bubble? That's that was. Yeah. This kind of a lumber bubble he's making a level. Okay. So he he's not paying back any the suppliers. So he he's just he's basically just taking would from people and selling it and keeping the money right? He's like Robin would. That's right and the other lumber companies are just taking because no one's buying their lumber. Partner freaked out and and sells his shares and bales on the company. And then word. Gets out. That Oliver is committing. I guess lumber fraud. Is. Sure. Sure. It's called a lumber racket. And now every competing lumber man area wants a piece of Oliver. So in September goes on the run. And now newspapers is old partner was named Cree. So newspapers are reporting and they're calling the search the CREE Hill. Sensation. Okay I'm sure it was like, thank you including me in the headline. It sounds like a great band. Yeah. So. It really does. Arrest warrants go out the postal service starts investigating him for mail fraud. And he just fucking hit the road and he ends up in Washington D C. Start trying new name. He's got a whole new life story. He is going to play great in DC. You can do the. He's going to be the president. So he is now a car expert and a car salesman. Okay He starts going by his middle name. So now he's Napoleon Hill. Offer. Hill. And the Polian was not too far removed from this time, right? The POLIAN. Yeah. No, that's that's why he was named Napoleon. As. Is that. Weird. Depends what you're allegiances are you know a? Isn't it? Weird American well, if you don't like the English why not or if you don't you know what I mean. Yes Sure, but there's other like. How about John Wayne? That's the middle name. It's a really good middle name that racist old. Article get over it. The, natty humanitarian. So He He would later say this is the time. That he met Andrew Carnegie. Oh Shit here we kill. He met, he met Andrew in He said he'd been in in his New York mansion he went there and Carnegie invited him in. And Carney. Sat Him. And told him. His principles of achievement, his masters, her his mastermind. Carnegie told him his principles of achievement, his mastermind alliance, his alternate secrets to financial success. Okay and this is again, this is all from our boy Napoleon Hill. Yet. Okay. This polian version. So, then Carnegie, after he he tells them all who secrets of how his all of his. Trade secrets of how to a there's got to be a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So then he introduces Napoleon to all the most powerful rich guys in the country. So Napoleon could interview them to learn how they become successful. Is this for as he I I. Understand that we're potentially on a leap here but are we saying that this is because he's This has nothing to do with writing I mean he's a car guy. or He's this. Is the right. This is so he can learn. Okay. He just carnegie showing him the ropes. So he just again just very simply met up with our Andrew Carnegie and Carnegie was just like let me impart all the things that I've learned and why don't you meet everyone else who's rich and successful and pick their brains my little car friend. He's he's giving him the keys to the castle, the secrets. All of the skills. Okay. Okay. So so yeah, he's going to. He's going to introduce them to those powerful rich guys in the world who then he would interview. And discuss and Napoleon. Car. Sorry Carnegie told Napoleon Take Him twenty years to learn all the secrets? Of how to become a successful businessman. So it's a long term venture that he share. Now he's now really in it shares. So he travels the country and he goes around meeting people like Thomas Edison and Henry. Ford. K. Now. At one point in his book. The point said he asked Carnegie how people could control their wheel of fortune. Get Pets Age. Pretty Standard question as sure. How does one control their wheel of fortune? And Carnegie said quote first of all to control the wheel of Fortune One must understand master and apply the seventeen principles of achievement silence. These principles. And I might hear suggests that these if properly applied, we'll carry one a long way on the road toward success in any. Carnegie sounds just very. Very, good list listed seventeen things because that's what Carnegie did. He came up with a list seventy. Yeah. That's why we know the Carnegie Seventeen. So obviously none of this is true. Cuts Napoleon did he point did not make? He did not Carnegie. Washington DC go to work. He was just hiding in Washington DC. From Other people who wanted them. But in December, he joined the Automobile Club of Washington, and then a couple of months. Later, he started the Automobile College of Washington. And made himself. He made himself. Well Dave is he I understand that the ascension to president now does it matter and any sequence of? Experience but. Is Is it strange to immerse yourself in the world of cars for roughly two months and then decide that you can open car university? I mean, it's interesting. It's an interesting choice back then how rudimentary cars were but I imagine a couple of months you could learn how to party together. There were still people who knew more. Sure most. Okay. Okay. So so Napoleon Hill has started car university. That's right. He puts ads and papers saying that one could become an expert in assembling cars, six weeks and a graduate of his college could make up to two hundred, which is about five thousand dollars a week. Okay. Sounds. Pretty good. Sounds a little too good. So he started with two other partners but very quickly, the other partners bailed. That they're called part cartner in that business correct that's right. Thinking it turned out to not be so much of college. What happened was Napoleon had made a deal with the Carter Motor Corporation to build their cars. So students were actually look he's like Nathan, for Ewing this. So stint actually just unpaid laborers actually they're paying to be laborers to build cars For. S Four company that's then selling him and he's taking all the money. He's taking money from people from students to to learn how to build cars to build cars for him. Then he's taking and and getting money for the cars being built and the people getting these cars. Are you sure this is built properly a lot of these. The rear view mirrors in the engine, the tail pipes in the back seat, the Mufflers, the steering wheel looks our cars a car. Yeah. I mean it's really fucking crazy. You get pretty mad at me for a guy who hasn't really taught me how to do this yet I've just telling you. We have fucking deadlines on your diploma I want to help you. Reach you. This is like a dangerous minds but with cars nobody's going home tonight, we got fifteen cars to build what the fuck are you talking about? There's nine of us. Oh sorry. Did, not, want to learn how to build cars. Did you not come here to learn is sick classroom the I said to me when I met you why isn't that car done I'm trying to learn. Yeah. That's why you're a college. Yeah, we'll someone needs to teach me and stop yelling at me for not building cars fast enough. Isn't this a program? Okay. Every else want to listen to me right now. Over here Frank Frank has a D.. Now Learn D. For bad attitude for car building. For. Having a bad attitude about car building. Sorry Sir a lot of us are having a lot of us are having trouble building cars that does speak up for be rude but it just doesn't seem like we know what we're doing yet. At subway should teach us. Okay. So you you got the directions with the car right in the box there was directions. Yeah but it's like a causal little guy the guy was screwdriver. And the. Screw to us. But a lot of these screws look the exact same I, just saying I mean. Couldn't I do this at home I guess? Okay Bill has a D-. What? Those guys Frank Scott D. Who wants to third? Who Else? -Ther I'm having a fantastic time. This guy. This guy. You know who I want to call him I call him straight eight Jimmy and you know why strata Jimmy comes here and he builds cars and he shuts his mouth. My name is actually my name actually pat though. Strata Jimmy. Sheds got him out and he built cars. and. That's a really good student does the rest of you guys? Why don't you go to Complain College you know why you didn't go to Complain College because you already have a degree in that. That's why. Maybe. Somebody could teach us like it'd be a complaint university maybe someone teaches you how to complain. You know. But you don't just lose walk into a college and learn how to build a car you asshole. Frank. Yeah. I'm aware it's frank. Frank is an ex student here at the college in Washington. Well Dude I would ask for a ride home but it looks like you don't have any fucking clue how to build a car. So I'm out of here who's coming with me. I'm coming with you. It's me from before to. It. And the weird guy from before I was the second. What's your? What's your name you? Might the name that I have. I don't WanNa tell you anymore I think as a teacher you should know that. Now, and then I'm ready to go to. To be clear my name is pat that's for sure. I said that, and then you told me that I should leave or no. You that I was something Jimmy Strata Jimmy thought you wanted to let you wanted really good transcript but I guess not. Going, and get out of here I. Got I got an a class coming in tomorrow I don't you guys. Just, call the car just tell the car company the card. Companies. Don't worry about it. This is what do you mean don't worry about it. Teacher Talk. Are you making built cars for God deb. Company. I'm GonNa Teachers Lounge. Right now, I appreciate it if you guys took off and got tears room in this building. That's supposed to be in the lounge. Thank you, gentlemen. So. Maybe, the longest thing we've ever done. Now. So Napoleon meets. Florence Horner in one, thousand ten, she's in high school she's from a wealthy family. Remarks later. They get married Dokey the week after she gets out of high school. As, you're supposed to do boy not create move at all right. They don't make a Lotta graduation nuptial cards. A gentleman waits until this lady graduates before he marries yeah a week well, now that she's firm in the world of adulthood I think it's right if I take. So He's twenty seven. This is third marriage. And while Napoleon is on his honeymoon, his business partners and suppliers start bailing on him. The Washington Post. Reported One business partner was accusing Napoleon of stealing a car and wanting the college put into receivership. What is receivership meet? Bankruptcy okay. Yeah. Okay. So so the Carter the Carter car company then goes bankrupt in one, thousand, nine, twelve. and. The writer of the article is based on a Matt Novak. Think this could have something to do with the way. The cars are being built by people who don't know how to bill I don't think that's true. That's impossible. Just like every cars the Chitty Chitty Bang Bang car. But the point is not shut down the college. Now, of course, he just changes the focus. So instead of teaching students, how to build cars there now taught how to sell them. Okay Are you. There is a car salesman college. Well now. What is Live here what is that like? I can't even imagine the negotiate the constant negotiation. It's really bad. Yeah. So I want you guys to get that in by Thursday at one PM sir. If I may I was thinking that it might make more sense if we were to maybe split that over three days, just three installments of giving you a little bit of each paper Sir I can actually do that and I can do that in two papers. I can do that over Wednesday and Thursday guys it's non-negotiable. I'm liking what I'm here. What's your credit like sir? It's fantastic. We'll do you mind if I. Run it. Now I'm not crazy about it coming to this office real quick. Let me she introduce you to Barbara. Hi. Thanks so much. They call me the closer I don't know why come on I'm the teacher this God damn school. So what we're looking for is to give you five different installments of getting this paper by Thursday five. You got just sit to someone else at one. No listen. This is what we're after. That's right now can I just get a credit card or some family history from you real quick. On April Eleventh Nineteen twelve. Motor World Magazine published an article about the Automobile College. It was titled Pointing the Easy Route to get rich quick land. Broke hit broke down the ways the college was The plan for students to make five k year was that the students were Kate we agents? They were just considered sales agent. So that's like that's how you can make five hills to actually sell cars. Right or you know I made a lot of money and make it a fake college. That's another route you guys can go. They also would get three bucks a head for every student new student they brought in. So the. Amway's yeah I mean yeah. I'm with the college. On. November Eleventh Nineteen Twelve and point in Florence had a baby. He was a baby boy. He was Daphne had no ears. Oh my God. You could've gone in just that. You could have gone with the first one would have assumed. From Napoleon's official biography quote in the years to come despite intense fighting with both family and schoolteachers Napoleon would never allow the boy to learn sign language. He was determined to singlehandedly teaches deaf son to speak and even to hear see now, that's what happens when you're able to open a bullshit car college where eventually you're teaching car salesmanship you just believe too much and you should you have every right to believe that you walk on water but the idea that you're going to like. Essentially obviously removes the child's ability to communicate completely, which is cool. So cool. Dad Check. So my boys going to have the biggest ears this town's ever seen that right son. Baby steps. The automobile college and its doors in one, thousand, nine hundred, and soon after Napoleon decided he wanted more in Chicago is the place to go. So Florence's family actually got him work at Lasalle Extension University through a connection, and after arriving, he quickly prenup stationary stationary quote Napoleon Hill Attorney at law. Twenty seven fifteen Michigan Avenue Chicago now he's obviously never going to law school sure he has no legal experience, right but he was just like this. I'm here might as well do this. Yeah. But Davey had letterhead and a lot of ways isn't that everything So. Is it just the beginning of a bunch of nonsense? He buys a candy store with some other people that falls apart he opens the George Washington. Institute which is a college to teach students in the principles of success and self-confidence. He's the guy he's one hundred percent the guy. He is one hundred percent the guy teach self confidence. He was soon accused of fraud though. Nineteen. Yeah I know in nineteen seventeen, he told the newspaper he was going to sue a railroad because lighting in passenger cars was harming his eyesight. Quote. I haven't using the IC train less than two months yet been compelled US glasses for the first time in my life. So this is the sort of person who wants into a walgreens without a mask and wants to fight right. Yes exactly sort of person I know you don't understand. I am unable I get corona from the mask like I. Literally have a doctor who says that I will get corona if I wear a mask. So. Investigators looked into the George Washington. Institute Institute for Selling Bullshit stock it turns out he had way overvalued the school when he starts selling or giving out stock and so arrest warrants are issued for him and basically he said the schools wrote one hundred grand but it's only worth twelve hundred. So, it's a big difference difference bit of a difference. So nothing he's arrested. Sorry. Arrest warrants issued form nothing is known about the result of charges or if you had to pay back the students or just a lot of cases that happen here where. He's arrested and then it just kind of drifts away. Florence has their kid in October, and this is when Napoleon would later report that president. Woodrow. Wilson came to him to ask for help with World War One. Okay wait and. I mean I. Know It's bullshit but even in his bullshit, it's based on what that he's. Just in. Get stuff. He runs the college goods. Sure. Yeah okay. Wilson offered to pay him a lot of money but Napoleon refuse any payment who was. This. Guy Does he's not after money. This is not a guy who after this, he doesn't do this for cash. To be honest, it's a little offensive that President Woodrow Wilson would even try to give money I mean this is a man whose heart bleeds red white and blue I mean the the the pulse in his vein is that of the Star spangled banner I mean he is he is patriotism personified. So. Now. What is Wilson want? What is he doing? Well, we don't really know sure we know that he wanted Napoleon involved in his administration so and again went winners like winners. That's right. So the point. said, he made propaganda for Wilson to fire Americans working to make. Weapons for the war. and. And then he was there. In the Oval Office the day when President Wilson got word that the Germans were surrendering. The Germans, a sprinting Napoleon. What's a good battle plan? So? What else president of the United States of America. Then asked appointed for some tips on what to put in the terms and World War One and the polling told him quote I would ask whether the request for an armistice has band made on behalf of the people or the German warlords and President Wilson said quote of course. Of course, Bingo there we go. Why not also just. Tell a bunch of guys that they're just going to go to soldier camp and then drop them off in the war. Obviously. None of this happened what? Key came up with it for future biography. Now, the problem with this account is that Napoleon had already written about what he did on Armistice Day. In in something called Napoleon's hills magazine. Quality he's gotTa be careful. Like most other people I became as drunk with enthusiasm and joy that day as any man ever did on wine I was practically penniless but I was happy to know that the slaughter is over and the reason about. To spread its. beneficient wings over the Earth once more. Well right. So I like, this can be two places. Yep. And Nine hundred eighteen appoints started hills golden rule magazine he got he got involved in a stock selling scheme for an oil company that was owned by Texas couple. So he was almost like a time traveling Lenny dykstra. It feels like. So he would. He would put ads in his magazine to boost their stock and get people to buy their stock and this legend a bowling being charged with fraudulent advertising. Turns out. He'd started a bunch of magazines over the years and he used them to get word out about whatever he wanted shouldn't have given him that typewriter. Let them stick. So he's done. He's like a due to start at a bunch of blocks. Much twitter accounts right or no he start exactly. Yeah. He starts a ton of profiles yeah yeah. And then he talks and then he writes himself and he's like dude, everything you're doing is unbelievable and he's like thanks man but I don't do it for the accolades. On someone's like both people. Now, the Golden Rule of Golden Rule magazine was something. He was always gonNA preach. Loosely version of it. It's a Karma type thing where if you help others good stuff comes back to you a lot of times I step money. Sure. And that's that's the code that's the code he's lived by. The point soon realized he could get his name in the press by giving awards for the Golden Rule. Golden rule metal the golden rule. Award. Churn in nineteen, twenty, two, he gave a golden metal golden rule metal to a chiropractor who Just beat out. Woodrow Wilson. After After one hundred fifty, thousand magazine subscribers voted. So, but that's pretty common. There's one hundred and fifty thousand. Magazine subscribers around the country, and there's some names on there, but they choose a local chiropractor over the president of the United States. Yeah sure. and Dave was the chiropractor close to impract- symmetry to wear Napoleon was yes he was in the same. Same thing Oh that's interesting. That's interesting because I wouldn't have guessed that. So I mean and for a chiropractor that has to be really exciting. Here you are a chiropractor and you've beaten out the president I mean. Big Huge Yeah Yeah. You could almost like frame that and put it up in your office and tell. Yeah I mean I mean but again, I guess nobody's going to need that. No I don't think so. So press fell for it and ran with the story. It was operated all over the US. there. Are pictures of Napoleon. Handing out the golden rule awards that keep happening over and over again. In one thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, point nine in another Shit Willy Wonka Yes. In nineteen twenty two point another man started the intra. Wall correspondence school. So it's a charity. Sharon shirt. It's it's to educate prisoners in Ohio prison to help them live a decent life when they get out. Right of course. He also pushed to get one specific. Ohio Ohio inmate released. He was a check forger and it worked and the inmate got out and then quickly began running the charity. Turns out the charity was the forgers idea. Pal Okay. But it's weird I. Mean it is. It's. It's curious for that to be your first higher. Oh, by the way, can we get that forgery guy that you have locked for forgery? I wanted to be involved in my business. So I mean Napoleon's runs with in late nineteen twenty, the articles were written about Napoleon, his debts and all the people who are trying to find him. Using the charity to fill his pockets was covering in the articles. At the time he was touring the country seeking charity donations. Novak wrote quote his constant movement around the country was not necessarily out of Wanderlust, of course, but rather to stay one step ahead of the law write. An article about him bilking churches and even getting kids to pitch in was written. Wow this but he? Like he's learned no lessons. So there's no bottom. There's no listen learn, and then I mean he's going to church is getting a thousand dollars to the church and then just living off it. Right Like it's just free money. Yeah. I I'd rather look at it like God's money. If that's okay because he needs. That's right. He does because it's a guy, it's a guy he lives. But right. So. He's doing this all of the country another article covered how the prison had not received a penny. and. So and that comes out Napoleon. Then says it's not me the warden and the prison chaplain are corrupt. And he also blamed it on the check forger. Just, who's running it in Ohio and the Czech forager is set back to jail no allegiance alliance in any way. Bus Tossing little warmonger. So. Now. He's also this whole time he's he's he's doing the interviews that Carnegie set up. and. He says these are ongoing. There's no evidence that any art interview ever happened except there's one photo of Napoleon with Thomas Edison. Oh okay, we heard in Edison is Edison's looking at the camera and. The point is turned sideways looking at exit. So like they were having a good conversation like mid mid. Natural. Chat. It looks like it looks like they were talking for a second and then someone yelled. Hey Edison and isn't turned and looked, and then someone's not. I can I relate it to a Vonda whenever she goes to any head of state thing is like, Hey, can I be in the picture while I pretend to talk we're pretending to tonal watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon by Angela Merkel Watermelon Justin Trudeau watermelon watermelon. In December nineteen twenty-three, these specialties, salesman magazine learned how the photo would happened. Well sent a press. Hill sent a press agent over to announce that Mr Hill. One of the leading magazine writers wish to attend the Edison Convention of dealers. Of course, he was he allowed because he was a magazine writer. And then when he's there, he asked me Edison deposed with him a request. He could hardly refuse at that point. He handed Edison a golden rule metal and quote Edison return the metal without comment. Finally how you're supposed to react. Mr Edison, I know you've won many things have had more patents granted than anyone in history but Here's your golden diploma from the School of course cock. Now had a photo that he could use. He sends it out with. With that is like. GonNa prove anything. As you can see clearly, I met with Carnegie and I'm on the investigative path of Seventeen like-minded geniuses. Here's a picture of being exit. He built the whole story around it and he would send it out with the the leading line the to. The lead to of America's most famous men so How much would he of crushed instagram? Oh I mean this dude would have slaughtered instagram. Oh, he's fat Ju- all the way he's. Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Just steals and Fox people over ten just is like in places where it's like I like where I am. Yeah. Big Hashtag. Right guests. So he had no other photos, a proof of any other men that he met because he said, they were all burn fire. Yes. I understand they burned in the great fire of Bullshit. And my girlfriend is in Canada I tell you, I have a girlfriend in Canada. She's great. I've been in her come on look at the letters. It's not me writing left-handed. So the nine hundred, twenty, eight, appoint tracks down publisher Andrew Helton now Pelton published self help books from the New Thought Movement, which is what Napoleon was part of. The main idea of the new thought movement was that quote ideas and thoughts have direct and material actions upon the world. Shurmur. So thoughts have meaning I guess is the way you could turn your thoughts into. Words. Using your mind you could become successful. Right I like how this was not a known fact. So. Potent said he would publish the book. Okay Law of success was released into the world. It contained all the interviews with famous Man Napoleon had conducted. He's got all this stuff about how he hangs out and talks is great man and then and then how he did it and how they did it and it's just all wrapped up in this. This sort of? Theory of you can make what you want. Look at me I made it all I. Mean I made it I made it. So it sells. Royalty money starts coming in and then it really starts coming in one, thousand, nine, hundred, and nine. He starts making around thirty, five, thousand a month in today's. He buys a Rolls Royce a huge house was six hundred acres in the catskills. He's spending more money than his royalties well, in one thousand, nine, twenty nine is a great time to be on a spencer. That's right. He bought an estate with a bunch of other investors with the idea that they would turn it into the quote. Worlds First University sized success school. The what what I mean it it's like it is true. The more words the harder to track but I still know there's no substance. What is the what is this nonsense called? So Great. World's? First. University. Sized. Success School. So. It's. That's right. Okay We're other institutions like excuse me that feels like infringing upon what we do know what we're going to breed success. We do that. We're harbor we do. Know this is I understand but this is different. We're going to preach it and we want people to have a success. We don't say it but that's exactly you don't say it. That's the thing you don't say it. You don't say it, but we said it It's weird how Harvard's full of all these smart people and yet you guys didn't say it. And Gosh I, did say it. So Gosh. What does that make me I guess that makes me smarter than Harvard doesn't it because I set it stupid. By the way I just wanted to give you A. Golden rule diploma. This one, hundred percent bouillon. Thank you. This is one hundred percent but what we call. Bendable Boulia. So new product working on. A way to make Bouillon bendable and we figured out a way to make silver in two water parks. So Oh yeah that's what we're doing. I know Harvard does a lot of cool stuff to. We've got a lot of stuff cooking here. We made the cake. Flies doesn't sound like a successful. This sort of stuff that again Harvard I'm not asking you decor idea but it sounds like you're just not willing to keep up. I, mean, do you guys even have floating toilets? No I if if someone dies on your campus, they did forever. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. So that's again another difference. We don't have that at our school. If someone passes away at our school, we've just bring them back to life. So we're we're shutting down Harvard concerned this conversation. it's interesting. Nobody likes a quitter. Well. If you're not doing anything, you come over to my school and learn how to note an actual university. Yeah. Good. Thanks. We have dolphin man and we also now have no we do. We do and where the first school that has made fingernails four police cars. Now they have nail fingernail human fingernails on them. So it's easier to get into places at barricades and whatnot, but anyway love what you guys are doing so. All right see later Oh, I got to have a little something for you my pocket. It's my middle finger. Yes. I also invented that the other day when I was just sitting around I decided a new thing. I want to do is tell people have one more thing to show up my middle finger and? Look. I did face. All right. It's a Ta I stole a bunch of pencils by. So, Francis the boys To the university and so Napoleon goes on tour. Of course accents and then Wall Street crashes. Great Depression comes. A few months later, the house weird how the stock market used to reflect the economy. That's strange thing. A few months later, the house is in foreclosure Florence moves back to West Virginia and Napoleon has an office in New York, and he stays there working on his next book, which is called the magic ladder to success. Oh God. And that comes out his biography. His biographers called it quote still born. Hopefully. Term, for book now inside I've never heard it. So. Then the point is, is to get into movies he tried. Here's an idea he wants to get high school kids to come up with a way to adapt the law of success into film. Right, he's looking for a free crew. Well what he wants is actually to all these kids to compete for. The prize. Of. Whoever has the best idea? But what it really is is trying to figure out a way to get all the kids to buys book. Oh Wow. Even weirder honestly like what are weird little. Yes. He ends up producing a Mormon movie and when the more movie production heat weight is he's still born again. When the movies in production, the investors were asking for the production company to put into receivership. So shooting it people like shut it down. Right. Yeah Manichean this film. This film is about climbing the ladder to success in some way. Not, all more pure. Climbing the ladder to God? Okay. And it's a huge Utah but nowhere else obviously. So, he goes back to he starts doing different magazines and finding people to invest going from city to city doing scheme after scheme. Now. Later, he claimed this is when FDR asked him to. Help get Americans. More confident about the economy again. Sure. He's the guy. Yeah. Well, I mean Wilson Prior recommended him. Now, this is weird because Napoleon is actually a huge conservative, but he said his ideas made their way to empty into FDR's new deal. Sure sh SH. And he also said he came up with the phrase we have nothing to fear but fear itself Oh my God, this guy and by the way that. I mean I just I said it and someone wrote it down I. don't even remember really saying it but I definitely set up. And in a way Dave? He's lived his life by that might. Come up with. That's right. So nineteen thirty, five Florence had finally had it and she filed for divorce. He still goes out and he's doing touring and speaking, and the next year he speaking in Knoxville, and after words Rosa Lee Beland introduced herself to him. They chatted and then they agreed to meet again the next day and Rosalie describes the magic quote when I arrived, he met me at the elevator escorted me to study and without inviting me to be seated started immediately to tell me his story. We talked for more than five hours. We compared notes in spoke very plainly and frankly before I left. We were engaged. Oh. My God. What the fuck? Honest Guide. This is the guy to open a car selling university. Really is she was like so if I just pay who fifteen a month and down payment, then I can be with you for the rest of my life. Wow Is this your new girl I'm Lee Singer. So. They do a pre nup and the idea was to protect the royalty money from people. He had swindled over the years and Florence so he in the pre-nup signs over all of his book royalties to Rosalie. Okay. They get married very quickly and together they start working on his next book. which would be called think and grow rich. They have no money. So they go to New York has you read his book? All his books. So they have no money. So they go to live with one of his sons the only son who will talk to Blair and his wife who live in Hell's kitchen in New York. Okay. But while there he's verbally abusive to his daughter-in-law so. If you're in Hell's kitchen, you're supposed to be verbally abusive I agree. It's the premise of the show. So she leaves and goes back to West Virginia, and then a few days later, Blair follows her down there. But before Blair goes, he loans his dad three hundred dollars. Okay So, Napoleon and Rosa Lee are now free to work. Money to get by without the annoying couple who actually lives in the apartment bothering them right. Great. Perfect. So. She's really good at organizing his thoughts and stuff into a book form. And then health in publishes it in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, seven now people it's the middle of depression people are really hurting. And here comes this book telling them. They can get rich using just their thoughts. Probably pretty enticing. Yeah books huge success people wanted a way out of their desperate state during the Great Depression. And he's saying it would just take positive thinking visualization and hard work. And that's it. Good. Luck everybody. So. He's making money again because the real the's he start spending money again, he's buying fancy cars expensive clothes. He buys a huge Florida estate. Rosa's buying clothes jewelry. They have a staff at the house they're spending again money faster than it comes right? and. then. Together a taste of WHO Rosa Leah's out of nowhere she sends a letter to Blair. Taunting him. Detailing the rich life they're living. And then Blair responds and demands us three hundred dollars and no one replied. It's called family. Yeah. That's how you're supposed to do it. That's how that's a good. That's a good dad. Now I'm going out for cigarettes. By one, thousand, nine, hundred, nine, they're broke creditors sniffing around. She's writing a book on her own called, how to attract men and money. While, Napoleon Tours. I can you ban someone from writing a book? It is time it is one hundred percent time. To get attention. To rekindle. Book Sales. They make an announcement. They say they're going to adopt fifteen children. And would raise them without the terrible parenting that was currently plaguing America. God No. This is this is this is this is terrible. I mean. This is like this is like Tiger King Shit. Tiger King I can't watch stuff like that. Dave you really if you like watching animals beat tortured it as good. Actually Watch I don't. You should bring my book. So. The Kansas City Star was given an interview and The Star said, basically, they had a housekeeper with a young daughter Jean. and. Jean. Wasn't getting quote a proper upbringing so they took her in. Then after that they decided let's keep doing this and that they that's how they came up the idea to adopt fifteen kids between two and five years old Oh God. What? What is like? What if you were? If you were to paint a nightmare for me I think you just did it. Like. Even in the world of bullshit. Pick another. Angle. Yeah. So. Besides gene, they're all supposed to be orphans but. The one rule is that they could not have been living in an orphanage. That is going to make it. Okay what? What are you? Are you just like flipping over boxes on the street? It's free range babies. Right exactly. Know they're free range you can eat their eggs. So. So the plan is basically to. Get Okay. So obviously, they're looking for more polished children. While they really just want attention, they never follow through. There's usually telling this story out there, and of course, everybody reads it. They're just want people to remember that there to celebrate. Okay right since. James B. Shaffer. Born in eighteen, thirty, six in. Michigan and he moved to New York around nineteen. Thirty. And then he founded the Royal Fraternity of the Master Meta physicians. which is also part of the new thought movement. Okay great name. Yeah. What is the New Thought Movement? So the basic idea was the mind could change. If you could imagine it. It could become real. God. So We just written a secret thirty five times. By the Mid Nineteen Thirties Schaffer had a huge following and was packing Carnegie Hall every Sunday morning. He had her on ten thousand followers. Wow. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, eight, the cult bought a hundred room mansion on Long Island which that got a lot of attention. But people didn't seem that freaked out because they're really not harmful. Then, nine, hundred, thirty, nine, the cult announced they wanted to raise and immortal. All Right? I'm good. I. Think. I think we've found our moment so. So, they're just gonNA live the plot ghostbusters to essentially. They unofficially. Adopted a baby girl who was five months old out this poor poor child they're just gonNa Dalai Lama. This gets a Shitload of national tension. This lie. Dave. What about this is huge. We raise the morale. It's a five month old. She's a charge now. They plan to raise the girl with a vegetarian diet and only positive thoughts which would turn her immortal. About. Mom. That's. Possible that can help. Basically the way this was anyone could actually become immortal if they just thought hard enough, but they were going to start with the baby and work from there, we'll just to be safe making a lock. Not this out there a writer Ejei Khan junior went to the colts mansion in Nineteen Forty and spent twenty four hours there to write an article for the New Yorker. He wrote that thinking get rich was one of their main. Texts quote the most revered tax which was written by a member named Napoleon, Hill and many manifestations regard as gospel. The book is actually called think and grow rich, but they got it wrong and then. You got. That was it I don't remember. He reported Sheffer went to the nineteen thirty nine forty world's fair in New York and demanded officials dig up the Westinghouse time capsule. So he could put a paper of baby Jesus. Sorry. Baby genes footprints in. This had to be done because baby gene would be the only humid alive when it was opened in sixty nine forty. Well I mean that part might be true. That yeah. That's hard to argue with a yeah. That's a mean that dates way off. I did did they made twenty ninety? Sixty, nine, four, I mean they're they're pretty on the day. Okay I'm pretty sure. Okay. Shaefer also film baby gene with a movie camera while the reporter watched and they had the baby in the baby's crib posing with a copy of think and grow rich. My God. It's a baby like the book just be called. Or grow or Grow. Shaver Schafer's a guy who believed what he was saying, but he was also super into money and women within the Colt. There is a secret society named the storks. God I don't even want WanNa fucking. No. Co Well, then a call. The storks took care of young unmarried women and their babies A. Local archivist in the area quote for an extra five hundred and you had to be male and you had to wear a diaper pin on your lapel, what you could make lights and full diapers for unwed mothers. I don't even want to say what? Well he sort of made a diaper party situation within. He made a diaper department. And there's a diaper department who? Have Special Lapel Pin You had to pay. and. And you pay you pay five hundred or you get five. Hundred to go change diapers. Yeah. You you become a diaper boy for five hundred dollars. There's something more nefarious. There must be. What's. The Angle. The angle is it's fucking hot. Oh my God look at that. Boy Really had to go he's eating a lot of carrots. All right. All right. Well, I paid for this. So cool to see. I mean, that would be like nine nine thousand dollars today is about what that is to hang out and. Put diapers on. Full diapers. Anyway those are the storks so Those guys are this. Killing children. Now, the cult also ran schemes. Shaffer sold stock options between one hundred and four hundred rich people who came seeking some life secret would have valuables go missing while they were there weird one woman one woman had to rings worth five, thousand go missing and she told, Shaffer and he said quote nothing is lost in the infinite you can think back in your experience. Oh thank God. So now, Napoleon and Roselli's marriages collapsing. He's never home. She thought he was cheating and hired a private investigator. Now soon after book how to attract money and men was published she hired a divorce lawyer. And the Pi confirmed it. While he was traveling she sold everything they owned in so. Now. Napoleon has nothing again. Okay. She then went and married the divorce lawyer Oh good Lord that guy was like and. Also if you WANNA come over later, we can kind of get over some of the finer detail points I really just WanNa. I know how hard it is right now. I'm and some really really small shorts I. think that's probably shorts oh gosh. Divorce I call them divorce shorts. That's what I call but yeah. I I mean I would love to come over but I just I'm so raw emotionally got a i. got a big Tub. It's called the worst tablets where you can relax your divorce. This is purely just you getting me through my divorce. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No this is actually what divorce it would seem predatory otherwise no, no no. This is completely one hundred percent. What divorce lawyer is part of our job I've never been divorced before so I can't. Massage is. A massage tubs hot tubs I didn't know the top was hot. Take off your clothes just whatever whatever take off take off your. Okay. So yeah every interest if I if I go to another attorney, this is the same. This divorce is going to happen with any any divorce attorney this standard. Florida. Okay. Well, I'll get you the retainer money for the hot tub. Okay great great great. Just. Some of the phrasing seems SORTA. Legal. Jargon legal it's Charles Jargon. That make sense. Okay. All right. Well, everything feels like it's on the up and up here. YEP JUST GONNA. Motorboat your titties. Legally speaking. Yes. Okay, because otherwise what but. Know I wouldn't just say that if I wasn't your attorney I would never say that, right? Okay. All right. Well, good I get I get a bad feeling. So I'll be I'll see you later. Bye later say about by. ALP. Nervous. Because of you I'm not I'm Jay I'm freaked out over the whole thing it's just a lot. Can Be, hard, dad's so it's very confusing. Okay. Thank you so much. Bye. Weird by. So. So the point. With no money and nothing, he decides what to do. So he goes to Florence's house and asks is ex wife for money. Oh Jesus, Christ look we're not getting back together. Tried to climb the money ladder. I. Don't need money. Give it to me. She's watched him get rich from afar, right? Now, he's A. May. So. You came back to give us some money finally money. So for some reason, she didn't give it to him might have been because he took three hundred from Blair but anyway whatever. And Nineteen, forty, one, the mother of Baby Jean said she had been coerced into giving up her baby and she wanted her baby back and she went to the press. So now the two year old immortal. Had to be returned to its mother. Dave shall lose Oliver Goddamn powers forty-one. She's going to all the powers her magic immortals have power I. Think once you're immortal you're mortal I don't think reverses well I. Guess The question is at what age is immortalize. conceived. True. It's a good question. See. Now, a lot of people would think removing. Two year old while in the state of immortality. is taking a life that's why I'm fro- immortal. I am right I'm pro immortal I. believe that I believe that immoral I believe that immortality starts at the conception. Of. The idea of immortality that's right and I believe anything besides a lot of people. A lot of these wing lunatics thinks that immortality doesn't set until about ten or eleven years old. But no. That's not what's in the Bible it does not. Know it in the Bible. It clearly states what I'm saying I don't even need to reveal the passage. WHAT'S THE PASSAGE Exactly. So. The baby coming to the cult in the first place was sort of the end of the cold. It kind of freaked out a lot of members share. We have a baby. So No. Let's all I. Don't know fuck it. I. Don't know who's got milk. What's going on here? Even shapers strongest followers that point where like I don't know we just jumping. The money had already started driving out up. Turns Napoleon Schaffer had actually known each other for quite a while. Napoleon had come to him in December nineteen, thirty nine. He wanted to go in on buying psychology magazine for two point five, thousand each. So Schafer then turn to a rich cult member for the money. And three years later in nineteen forty to the rich cult member realized that she had been swindled. And she charged Shafer with Grand Larceny. And of course, and they looked into it, it turns out the tune-ups shaper just kept the money and not bought the magazine and he ended up pleading guilty. Okay. He was given a five year sentence. The judge called him quote a thief a next clansman. Zone organization a spiritual faker, a religious hypocrite who's been a loose Prang on misguided women for too long. That's I. Meant that felt like a five year sentence. But it's interesting. So. They both have the same idea. So I the point had the I'll I'll just get kids idea and then shaffer does it. They're both named gene might clearly they were just working together on this whole thing. Yeah. They just went solo from. Napoleon moved to South Carolina and fell in love with. Sorry and fell in. The Poli- Napoleon moved to South Carolina and fell in with a guy who was still really angry about losing the civil war. He Ran Presbyterian college so if he ran into every guy. He met his next wife, Anne Lou Norman and then he published another book called Mental Dynamite. Finally finally it's getting weird. Push it. Mental. Dynamite also failed, but he did say Gandhi had ordered copies of it. And that Gandhi hired investigators to watch him and find out if he was the real deal because the book was going to be distributed all across India. That at. At some point, you do get a little. Worried, that. You know maybe there's some psychosis like maybe. Like A it's it's still all genuinely like he's just out doing himself. Really. I. Don't think they're psychosis I. Just think he is a world class bullshitter maybe there's some narcissistic shit going on. Yeah. But I'm saying like he does he's not like Gandhi but I, don't think keeps lease it. Okay. Yeah it's just to push his. Shit right. So he moved to California, he has a radio show. He kicks try and more schemes. One point hooked up with the Richard Sherman guy in nineteen, fifty two. And then Donald Trump's former pastor nor Vincent Appeal published his popular book, the power of positive thinking. And he credit and credited Napoleon and the insurance guy with helping him, write it Oh my God. It's funny. I. Mean It's not funny. It's terrible but it is like the whole. All you can keep thinking is like in today's world this guy would one hundred percent government and be doing pretty well. Those him in the insurance guys started a fake charity and they started a new magazine called. Excess. Unlimited. Poland he tried to take it outside the US. It goes Australia New Zealand other countries. It's not really catching on. We'll surely Gandhi wanted to distribute it. That's right. You would think. So I mean he hired the Pi's Yeah So Shaffer. Got Out of the president tried to his followers back by lecturing and writing but just not happening. And in nineteen fifty, five Schaeffer and his wife found dead in their car in. New York it was a double suicide. It's crazy. The journalist to read this article this is based. This podcast is based on. Matt, Novak filed a Freedom of Information Act request for files on Shafer on December twenty, nine, th two, thousand, fourteen. And, then he gets a letter. Stating all records relating to the request were destroyed on December twenty ninth two thousand. So. They. Felt the need to. Once. I mean I. Guess That's how you man. That's how you say no to using the freedom of Information Act. Yeah. There's not anymore but when was it destroyed? Yes. Second you ask we burned it. So there's nothing. That's how the NFL has handled spy gate. Everyone's like where's the tapes like we burned them? It's like what it's like Jari. Sorry we've fucked up now what are you GonNa do look clearly the FBI whoever the fuck it is knows how to make immortals that's what this is. That's what this means. That would be terrible. In Nine Nineteen Sixty Napoleon published a new book written with his Insurance Buddy called success through a positive mental attitude Soon after split from the insurance guy and tried to sell the science. Of Success, course by licensing them for other people to teach. But mostly he just really struggled to get by. He died in Greenville South Carolina on November eighth in one, thousand, nine, hundred seventy, and then his wife had to fight with a charity. He had set up the Napoleon Hill Foundation. Over control of his estate. Wow. So even when he's gone like. Like, his estate is just like now we're still we're working on a scheme I mean he set up at gripped and then the. Set it up with their like Oh. That's fuck. This woman whatever like just right. Right. They've learned back. Novak Foundation Managers Were Building The supposedly nonprofit organization out of money and had squeezed hill out after Napoleon dive. So the legal battles with that and and the wife that organization the wife would go on until the eighty S. Napoleon Hill still has followers and most believe he was just a self help guy. So Matt Matt Novak quote moderators are probably familiar with the two thousand and six sensation the secret. But the concepts in that book where essentially plagiarized from Napoleon Hill's nineteen, thirty, seven loss is same show Rick Sanchez same ship. which he has reportedly sold over fifteen million copies to. Date. So the the only source of this is the untold story of Napoleon Hill, the greatest self-help scammer of all time on Paleo future which I think is on Gizmodo I can't but. Written by Matt Novak. You can also follow him on twitter. He's a good writer over a few of US thinks. It's great I mean it's also always amazing to me like. Because you see like I always remember that when I would watch infomercials when I was a kid and it would always be like the secret of success or like you know how to make a ton of money you're you know how to be like and I was always even from that age I was like the way to make the money is to be the person like I'll make your money like. That's Like that's So. It's always to any funny, but it's always a little disturbing when. I mean. Like. I mean. There's so many other stories I've had friends sign up for pyramid schemes before and Shit like. Herbalife and like it's just it is what it is. It's like I think the only difference in that story. Truly. Is that someone like that? I really think would end up in government you know All right cats. Oh. Sorry. I didn't realize I was recording an ad. Hi everybody. This is Gareth from the DOLLOP. I just wanted to let you know that tickets are now up for sale. For. 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2811 - Mary Holland

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2811 - Mary Holland

"Mark zuckerberg told the new yorker. The new source he definitely follows is tech name so listen to the tech. Neem ride home. Podcast the podcast anyone. Who's anyone in. Silicon valley listens to every day in just fifteen to twenty minutes. You get a rundown of what happened. In the world of tech with all the headlines context commentaries and tweets from all the biggest players new episodes every day at five pm eastern. Search your favorite podcast app for ride home and subscribe to the tech meam. Ride home podcast. Please don't take this person to go down those. Who is jimmy. pardo guess again. Mary is i do the heart. You're the one yelling jimmy hall. Maple syrup van. See i don't want it. I know how to catch it. Live on it's the fastest our in podcasting. This is never not funny. Now here's your host jimmy pardo. Welcome to the program episode boy. Twenty eight eleven is what i want to say. Yeah and we welcome you in a soom. everybody is waking up from the common oscars that were on sunday nights. Good lord what a snooze fest those were maybe the maybe people have differing. Opinions earned the program but emmy in a year where nobody saw any of the movies. For god's sake don't show any clips please. Thank you for the love of god. Do not show any of the movies you're talking about. Please tell me about how the costumer wants. Cut out a sears. Catalog add to come up with an hostile and forty five years later please do that and finally mastered that. They finally got it right. They finally said you know what let's leave in all the long winded speeches here. Let's get rid of anything fun. Nobody wants that during a pandemic all fucked in years how about a- monologue at the top with some comedy jesus. Yeah that's why that that little royale thing which may be a middling premise. At least it brought a little bit of something to the something. Having some happened. Something is happening. That's not just a speech. But and i. I haven't read anything about this but my suspicion is a there was a produce oriel decision to make the speeches longer they were like. Hey the speeches. Those people don't get enough time to say their thing. Let's give them twice as much time because every single one not every single one because some people just say their thing and leave but people were going on and on way past the point where a normal ward show they would have gotten the red light and it would have said something about the red light. But there's a dude standing in front of the eiffel tower for five minutes just rambling on to not only just rambling on stops show. Then dude yeah and like god bless the woman from anare. She's funny and great night. I didn't have a problem with their speech but we all know from doing our show in front of audiences. She had three or four perfect joke outs that she could have walked away on and then just kept going and like god damn it. Just leave on the left. You had the lafley. Yeah but But i welcome her speech in a in a sea of hollywood taking itself way too seriously and boy oh boy was it ever just the the corny schick that people will do occasionally when they come out you know when they talk to each other that stuff. I never thought. I'd say i miss that. Also that is. I missed that of familiarity. Like you tune in for these things not because you actually care. It's because it's a warm blanket in a time where you're just looking for a distraction. You need the familiarity of that weird broken down structure that is a very viable in twenty twenty one. But it's still reminiscent of what you grew up on. Basically i feel like that's that's what was missing it. Is that go ahead elliott. I'm sorry. I was gonna say i what i bet happened. Was this that they you know everything in in the academy is like look. We've gotta be more diverse. We've got to give people more of a chance. We bring in new blood into the voting and all this sort of stuff so when these new folks come up we don't want there to be. We don't want there to be a moment where the music plays off one of our new diverse people and then they don't get the finish their thought But then when you do that you gotta do that for everybody. Because you're gonna get the heat if somebody else who already has influence gets gets wider the other person even though they're not realizing the diversity because they're old or whatever it is. Yeah well let me question for you to repeat all of that. Farther from your microphone suffering. I turn my mic down because your mic is low. And we can't do anything about it. And so i turn my mic down. I see all right very good. But they're thank you. Yes you're right now. Lee suspiciously quiet. I i watched i. There was some genuinely head-scratching shocking moments. That i don't think the oscars to recover from anytime soon especially that ending. I agree with put a lot of weight and In chadwick boseman winning they put like. Hey let awaiting that man. Let's not let's not end with the best picture. Let's end with best actor. Won't that be a special moment when the guy who wins literally isn't there and you just see a picture of him and we wrap it up. More of that was literally. That could embarrassing. If hollywood can't engineer a hollywood ending than what the fuck retain nicholas wing book. I don't. I don't disagree that the idea of not. Nobody gave a shit. What the best picture was this. Your nobody. that's very literally they. All were a shrug and he could have won. Any of them could not have one who cares. And so i understand you know what let's move on from that. Maybe the best actor once more but but this isn't the sag awards that's the other thing this is. This is yes. You honor the actor and actress but at the end of the day. It's about the movie it's movies so you end with movie. Yes even if it is gonna be nomad line okay. Great by but at least you have a stage full of people. Yes and there are some people sour puss. That is francis. mcdermott up. There you get that at least you have that but even chadwick boseman ahead one. Then you want to end on a tear field tear filled speech that would have just been heart wrenching. That's what you want to end. It was not. It was a half baked premise. Even if you accept that they thought they knew what they were getting choice. But i it it very much. Felt like we're shaking it up. I mean it's a good year to shake it up because they had to do it a different way. They're in a different location Things are weird in general. So i get the instinct to be like. Let's be different. And i guess i haven't been paying any attention it normally. I think i would be more aware of the the backstory of everything. But i gathered that steven soderbergh produced it. Which is he's a filmmaker. he's a he's a director and they wanted this to feel like a movie matt night. Feel like a movie. And i get it. I mean there were the cameras. Were set to twenty four frames that they nailed it down. That front good job is that that is the flickering that my brain recognizes as film but It's it was still awkward. I mean it's like if you're trying to like engineer. The awkwardness out of it. They failed i mean. Every when they had presenters introducing the actors and then like giving some weird commentary like to carey mulligan. They're like congratulations on having such a brave important perform. Or whatever else she said. I literally was created what is happening. And it's also because why is it so laura dern now standing over here and everyone's like this like while they're receiving their awkward compliments from her just like that's how they do in the movies a movie matt behind you. That's why i yelled to the tv. There's a reason why people stand on stages it's because so everyone can be facing the same direction to listen to them. Let me tell you something as a guy that did warm up for the tonight. Show than conan o'brien and and when i was when i first started doing warm up for the job i've talked about this at length before but it plays into what you just said. I was doing the traditional warm-up you're in the audience you walk through the audience blah blah blah but the room for the tonight. Show is so huge. If i was on the left side of the audience the right side had no idea where i was and they couldn't see me so then i made a decision. I'll stand on the spot where conan stands and does his monologue. And all of a sudden my warm-up became great so how about that when everybody's facing the same direction on a raised area or a lower area new there razia then people can see you you dumb shoulder berry and also it's not it's for the for the is one thing for the room to be uncomfortable physically and emotionally with it but it's also about how does it plan television and when you have a camera shot of someone's body completely twisted and contorted in a one hundred and eighty degree position so that they can nod and smile at someone telling them how great they are. It doesn't make good television. it just makes you. It makes you uncomfortable looking at them. Being uncomfortable Well i had my best ballot ever. So that's all i care about. How many did you get. Here's what happened. I'm going to blow up the spot right now She like you normally season an oscar pool at her office and so she researches which i fully support. I would do the same thing. I'm competitive. I want to win. So she's researching and then we're doing about the house. I'll look at a couple of things just to get a sense of what's going on. This is a year. I i looked at nothing. I knew nothing. I barely saw any of these movies. And she's not an oscar pool. So i assume we're all just going to have fun guessing. Completely blind she read one new york times article and got the. I sixteen things correct and i was like. Oh this is fucking bullshit. Why i'm against the new york times. I'm not even competing against you. You're not gonna listen. I saw your wife's post on facebook that she did like to beat matt. Your children is supposed to go. You know this is fun at home. During the pandemic we circle adobe winning money right and and then it was was. She did make me laugh though like she finally got one wrong and she goes there. You go the failing new york times like it was crazy. How how long she went before there is even one incorrect thing and then i think she ended up maybe deviating on a couple of the major categories But they were wrong about best actress. They i think they picked Viola davis and frances mcdormand won which. I picked frances mcdormand. Having been one of the only things i saw here i was like well. I bet that's gonna win and sure enough after all of the attempts at inclusively and everything it's like you got anthony hopkins and frances mcdormand. Take off the table. How what people's performances were because i still contend that really doesn't mean anything to the voters like it's all subjective anyway and a lot of people voting don't know they don't see things they just go. Yeah that old guys really good. Let's give him one and it's just terrible. The optics are terrible like again. I i heard nothing but oh he was great in in the father. But it's just optically awful when a lead like a guy who died in his prime and is one was one of the greatest actors of his generation can't win for that performance which was universally praised and the whole show is structured to celebrate him at the culmination of the entire broadcast. That looks fucking terrible but you know what but that said. I don't know who you're voting for. You don't voting for one is not in a room together in a room where you go you know what hopkins is the way to go and then went no. Let's not do that because of this. And then but doesn't it it smacks of people over the age of seventy being like. That's what's good. Because i relate to an old man's struggling with dementia yeah By a guy even seen it but he's he's always good everything. I know i agree. He did harrison. Ford do a better job. Portraying a man with dementia digital delivery these. Yes he kinda showed. Up anthony hopkins without realizing video jones alone. How is that guys play jones. He's plugging thirty years. Past is the ability to do that. It's just a professor through the entire movie. It's all about his professor theory. Very quiet drama. About died of action star henry jones junior professor at large. And haven't they done that before where they read the notes from something and then i feel like it was from a successful movie and i love blade runner but i that was not the mic. Drop any who. They thought it was because runner his kind of a mess of a movie. Like yes. the studio fucked it up and then the director's cut is better. But it's still like. I mean we're not we're not talking about casablanca here guys. It's fucking weird movie right well. It was a good time my son and wife. They tied on their ballot. I got just destroyed. I did not. I didn't zero other than that article. I read worth the the anonymous director giving their views. That was the only thing. I am not again. I'm not going to research to beat my son. I got i got with zero research and zero knowledge. I got eleven right. That's what i got. I got eleven. Yeah that's so that's what you get when you don't know anything they got Not get eleven yeah. I think that's what i got. And they got. They got sixteen or something like that. They didn't much better than me to me. The most is good. Go ahead man. I was just gonna say that the most exciting moment for me was. I did not know he was nominated. And so when former ear wolf host and acquaintance of ours trayvon free won an oscar. I was like holy shit. that's on free. I know that guy crazy right incredible That was awesome. And that's congratulations to him. But i want to see that movie now. I want to know what's what what's up with. Was that his the. You remember the name of it. Something similar to that. Want to say something. Well i was going to ask if you guys had like a favorite standout moment at sounds like matt just had his i mean but yeah mine actually was when that the woman from monari stage brad pitt was desperately trying to maintain social distance right up. It's still trying to walk her to the place you need to go. It's so cute and charming. i love the cheapest. She's fantastic in that movie though. Let's We saw yesterday right before the we watched it yesterday afternoon. And it was over. Just like you know She's just phenomenal. Everybody in that movie great. It's like it's such good performance and a really good movie kind of Sad it's a sad movie. It's hard to watch some ways. now agreed So so here's the question. Was this entire awards. Ceremony worth shutting down the main artery of los angeles public transport. A elliott. i what. I understand with several weeks. Not just a couple of days as you might expect. Is that right. They shut down for at least a week. Maybe two or three. We'll have to look at bill. I mean that that that area doesn't normally have tiered whatever those tables the room. That's got married. I believe that is the that room and there is some sort of tearing but not not like we saw. It seemed like they built a lot to they built a stage and they built some pla-. What's the baxter doing it. At union station just Seething was high and the ventilation would today assumed. Is that a sort of like the next best thing outside. Okay yeah. I wanna say Doug benson or no. Maybe it's part of tompkins. Who is like the shame. We don't have someplace that's shaped like a bowl in hollywood where you can have good point. I don't know why it wasn't outside. I mean i guess because they can't count on that not raining but that would have been cold. Look at it ended up getting a little chilly last night around that time. What's So i don't know the i i've been union station twice in twenty something years. So they they shut did they. Shut down the entire union station so there is no connection if that was your hub. Your your sol. For a week. I don't think that's what it was. I think what it was is that the main the main way to get to the hub was closed off. So you had to go all the way around to cesar chavez like if you if you didn't if you were taking public transportation because you didn't wanna walk you were sol. Because you're definitely going to be walking. I like like way way. You can still get to trains and trains. Were not shut down but like the pathway to go from one thing to another which was you were diverted basically diverted and and and far and again. I put to what end to to what looked cool. Did look cool but you can't. We could build on that giant stage next to conan. I'm warner brothers bill. The stage you know. We're the ones that you know. That huge wanna brother. Lot where you know. They've got the swimming pool. Bits of titanic. What the hell was in the movie. Dunkirk right yeah. I mean they could have gone back to that room. They used to do at that hotel again. I mean i guess it's indoors probably win but while that but that's where the that's where they do the same place they do the golden globes now the beverly hilton the where we did our show. They used to do the oscars in that room. Oh right hot fast right. What was what was that place called. Oh is that right where we did. Our show that time at the At the roosevelt original home the oscars. Yeah interesting and then we shut it down right but we book ended up by talking about jisr is thirty minutes. The the barrymore's must be very proud. They to share a room with never not funny I did not know that that wasn't make room. That was. Let's that was too big of a room for any podcast to be quite frankly History it certainly for our podcast And then and then to be told we were the most successful show of the festival got a good term. It was it was wide that that was the very wide. It's a ballroom the ballroom blitz. When it was time to go because we didn't wanna say hello to any advance. So we just in the the the blitz we got out of there The blitzed blitz the ballroom blitz bane the ballroom blitz ballroom blitz. ready steve. And all right fellas own. I don't know what you're talking about. The only version of that song recognizes the tia carreira version from. I don't know that version. I know the original and another one by crocus. But i don't know that i. I'm sure i've heard the tia. Carrere up what you saw. The world's right. I did see the first world. Yes i don't know if it was the first of the second. Now that you mention it but i love song her version of the two. I would listen to that like daily. I like watching. I was once on her. Porch was once on the porch for a You couldn't get you couldn't get past the front door. And i was with somebody dropping something off and knocked on the door. No answer left thing on the porch. That's the story once on tijuca. That's it that's the end of story. Nothing exciting happens. Yeah nothing there was a swing. We played the packers was placed on the swing on the porch. Well i've i've stood on ozzy osbourne's driveway so i guess we're We're tied then. It's very similar. It's very originally. Did you really go visit the osborne house. I think someone at some point someone was visiting from out of town and we drove around and we found the this was when the the the whatever that show is called was on was that show called the osbournes osbournes the osbournes the osbournes They can come up with a better name than just serving the osbournes Yeah anyway Maybe call it ozzie. And harriet and then just renamed sharon. Harriet seems like a great person. Anyway yeah we went by that house. And i was like there. It is and There's a big gate you can stand in front of the gate and go your i am. We did that. My brother is a huge ozzy fan. So when i was driving them to the airport the day or two after daniel and i got married i was driving them. The airport. my mom and my brother and my brother's like hey. Can we go by ozzy's house yes. Sure of course but ever and then there it is and then you just keep moving out there waving. You're looking at a big crazy gothic gate. that's right. Which makes it even more amazing when you re when you hear the story of how. Richard simmons literally used to stand and wave to the the tour buses house like when he when he was still like in the public eye. Or you know. Listen to imagine that those tours back in the sixties seventies when it wasn't what it is today where you may you. Maybe you do see lee majors out on his front lawn. Getting you know getting a paper or you see tom. Selleck get walking from door to his car. But you don't anymore because everything is so. The bushes are so high. None of it. Yeah so many guana house tour. Okay but you and you go there it is. Oh you know you're going on a celebrity tour is what you're going on right skate. A good one. it's all about what is and what if there's a thing then people talk about it. I've never seen tatum o'neill's gates. That's a great her gate. You have to date amazing. I saw jackson's game all. That's a gate. If you wanna see wrought iron just a twisted into just beautiful shapes than you gotta see this game. I was surprised at johnny. Carson had a wooden gate. is very understated for the king of late night. It's unbelievable strikes and of course as the brass are nice looking gates and this could be a real conversation somewhere there could be four nerds really talking about this on the gate. Cast is probably likely i. I've been watching some youtube videos where there are people who are obsessed with certain kinds of furniture like Some kind of child furniture that you can also have sex on or something. I remember what it's called. I think it's called nugget at the google that and then And then People are obsessed with. Have you ever seen those. They're they're professionally made but they look like they're not that have scraggly letters on them like says like you looks like coffee and it's like lynn thing but it's kind of like rough-hewn apparently there are people who are obsessed with those and they collect every single one and when they come out at homegoods their people waiting sometimes in some places in the morning because they no one's gonna come out and they just grab all of them up his christ. I mean there's there's some sad sack things even the zoom. There's probably people who have collected some bullshit you didn't need to collect i speak for myself And animal. So when usually said jack zoom you mean the four of us. I'm saying at least two of the people in the zoom right now have bought worthless plastic and kept in a in a box. Minimum box highlighted knows all right. Let's take a break. Mary holland is joining us. Mary in the you recognized mary from everything but she's a new movie. Called golden arm comes out this friday. Do want to point out that we had a great livestream. Yesterday we had a wonderful livestream yesterday with our tier two and three folks. There's another Another time to remember that we do those on a monthly basis and then in addition to the monthly shows once a quarter replay bingo and have a good time there as well. So if you are not part of the platinum level House a good time to jump in good times any ca jump in anytime you want to tear tier two and three get the monthly livestream tier three only get the quarterly bingo nights and speaking of tears. We were all in tier. I think as you and i at least jimmy were in tears laughing. It was one of those. Never not funny moments where jimmy was falling out of his chair laughing and i had tears in my because you just insulted him was fake. It was ridiculous i know. I don't think i knew i was insulting. Quite frankly what i said at the i. I don't think that was doing it. Didn't stop me from calling it back three times. Yeah that's i always a show you you know what i mean that to me. That is the top level of. That's what that's what i live for is is those moments on this show where we're both is like crying laughing and it's usually at someone else's expense of course actually said What what were you laughing at so hard that you were pounding on your desk. We heard you pounding. Something had to happen. Yeah so join him down that you guys watch if you are a but again we welcome everybody to listen to it on the either on the free feed or even at that five dollar level will be certainly appreciate that we appreciate anybody Who listens to this program and supports it. But there's a lot more fun to be had by joining a cool kids. Oh and if you miss out like if you are a subscriber already and you use couldn't make it yesterday. 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Here had never not funny quip the good habits company. Hey welcome to the program episode. Twenty eight eleven. We are joined by a young lady. Who's in the upcoming movie. The golden arm comes out this friday. Her name is mary holland. But of course if you're if you ever seen that movie which you have it because it hasn't come out yet you've recognized her from every single situation comedy that's out in the last four years right. Mary is the one sitcom that said. You know what no most of them said. That's not true. Everytime i might. My son is at the age now where he's watching everything we watch veep and curb your enthusiasm. And he's loving all these things and he's also obsessed with. at commercials so he allow a lot. That's a really specific thing to be obsessed with. He loves commercial. He loves your story arc on those. Oh he is he understands it. You know i will say this. It is the. At and t. Right we're you. It's you in the african-american gentlemen walking and then you see the perfect people isn't that that yes and deliver a line that i'm not kidding. Mary i think it may be the best delivered line in hollywood history. That's how much i love it. You have you have just a wonderful throwaway right. Yes and it's gonna be isolated and and flowing overhead football games. Jimmy get so great. I think delivery on that line is so great. That's it jimmy. I don't know if you noticed this. Because i'm sure you didn't look at the imdb page like i am. Were you aware that our guest is also part of something that your son was a part of. Wait a minute. I don't know if i am aware of that What what We talked what are we talking about. My son has done total of one thing in show business. And that's show biz. What was that one thing. What was that one thing. He was a contestant on a challenge. Challenge from member. This i remember when we were shooting that it was told to me that jimmy pardo son is is participating. Oh my god. And he was your favorite contest into all. I'm not supposed to select favorites because you know they're all they're all great. He was my favorite. I was the voice of the droid. Eighty-three ahmed best the little wise cracking sidekick. And you're you're there. I guess you'd have to be there on right. You couldn't do that after the after the fact you'd have to react to what the kids are doing stuff right. Yes i was. It was a really interesting. Set up. Because gordon tarpley. Who built eighty-three built the the costume. He was actually in the droid outfit. And then i was in the control room on a on a mike that had a speaker attached to his back. And so i would be like a riffing with ahmed at like watching him on the monitor's riffing with him and my voice would come out of gordon's back. I'm sure it was very strange for all the children there. I can tell you that he did not come home and say yeah. The ones reuters at a mouth good okay. Great great service felt normal exciting. I'm gonna tell him to tell young oliver that the food that you are on the show today because again he. I'm not kidding. He thought he does think you were great on veep and he thought you were a great on curb your enthusiasm along. Richardson and he. He gets it he say it all the time. Thank god he likes great comedy. So i don't have to lie and pretend somebody that sucks. Oh yeah they're good to son. I don't have to do any of that. Well i'm very flattered. Please tom i say hello. And thank you for the support. I have a quick question about that. Eighty three any talk at all of having. You put the costume on instead of incredibly calm. But gordon is kind of a. He has built. So many of these droid costumes. He played a c. Three delayed Has a c. three. Po costing that he takes to star wars events so he's very knowledgeable and in building those things and i think it was just easier to have him millet for himself than for me to come in for droid. Fittings can only imagine would be strange and uncomfortable. Probably i don't know who's to say today. Mary zoom was that my friend. I thought you were done. And i think i don. I am done iran bolt or. I guess they were coming to. Oh wow look. I know we do. It's very quick. It's okay wanted to know about the star wars thing. Now we're moving on. We talked about the thing that i make my kid happy. And that's all. I talk done by done now mary. Here's what interesting you and i. We basically run in the same circles. We have the exact same friends. I don't think you and i have had a conversation more than hello. Hello and that's about it. Right on that i agree on that. Is that because you don't care for me. Yeah okay well we got it. I don't know how. I don't know how that has happened. Because yes we have. We have circled each other. We've orbited each other. yes. And i don't know how that's happened but i feel like that's very true of comedy shows a when we were doing them. Yeah those days are you doing any zoom shows. Are you a person. That's trying to improv. via zoom. yes yes my team. Wild horses with stephanie. Allen and lauren laptops and erin whitehead we have done a few of these virtual virtual shows which are So fun and it's been great to have that have an ability to like to do some kind of show but boy is it weird. You can't there's no. I mean the oh the live comedy with audience. And you're there and you're like sharing this experience together. And you're feeding off them and their funeral It's just you know you're dismay you. You make a joke. And then it's it's met with silence. It's just weird right we. We've been doing it now for over a year. I'll just show that we're not used to doing a show in a studio where you don't get the media last but when i'm doing my the game show that i'm doing now called pot cultured. Yeah say something funny and it's just really nobody. Nobody heard you so. You can't be mad. That number two reacted. Es or the people who heard you are not miked and so. They're not getting that feedback. Yeah but i but a comedy shows like that's part of what i love so much about. The the comedy community is that you would just see people out in about an if you didn't have lengthy conversations. There was this real awareness of community and like. Oh yeah we're all like we're all buddies. They're all friends here So anyway but i am at you okay. I don't know what i did or said and i'll never tell you you have to figure it out. I am i definitely and i'm out. I'm not before we get any further. Tell us about this gold. I don't want. I don't want to miss the second of talk about before we get into our usual. Grab assery on this show. Tell me about golden arm. And what's happening in this program. Yes the golden arm is a buddy comedy. A sports movie that takes place in the world of women's arm wrestling and The buddy part of it is me and betsy sadahro sh and Who is a genius and we play. Best friends who i play Her best friend who's a baker. Who has this this gift. That she's unaware of That where she has an incredibly strong arm. And it's it's a golden arm and the the story of the movie is is my character being encouraged and supported by betsy character to to embrace that that golden arm and all the courage and confidence that comes with that and did you film this during covid or was it the film pre covert and then it's getting finally released now after post production so on this was filmed preko it. I can't imagine how we would have done it. Okay in cove at times. You the best thing i spent a whole day in the cab of a big rig with no air conditioning. Just see in our director. Maureen by richa in dr photography chris messina. They were like on the mattress behind us in the cab of this big rig we were breathing each other's air boy twelve hours. Do you think mary. And maybe i'm misunderstanding. What you're getting. You think the four of you costco bid. That is what i'm saying. Because i initially thought the whole thing was a hoax and i know jimmy. No matt gaetz. Everything's phony so oh god listen to him he he gets. That guy got married Yes but the and also like all the tournament scenes. Like we're really everybody's in it together. And i mean are people people shooting things like people have figured out a way to do production during cova did and it's that's very encouraging and exciting. But i i don't know how he would have done it and obviously it's arm wrestling so there's probably a lot of just the position of being like this with another human being is probably not not covert friendly mountain but luckily we did shoot it before covid hit so so we got it got done it available on demand this friday. Is that where i could see. It can also go to go to now that it's safe to go to a movie theater. You absolutely can. You can go see it in a movie theater. How exciting is that Let you can also Yes you can. It's available to to rent digitally on itunes and yet theaters in digital digital now. I i'm getting the same thing. Works out guys cedar and to see this film Has it nobody. We talked about it last week. Mary have you gone to the movie theater yet of. When will you do that. You think. I mean i'm doing that for for this movie. I i will be there in a movie theater this weekend which i can't tell you how excited scared nervous. I am to do that. I miss going to the movies so much and it. It really is Gonna be quite a shock to the system for the first movie to see back in a movie. Theater is one where my face will be. That giant i premier setting or you just going to go see it there yes it is a it is a premier studying and then we're doing a qna at the north. Hollywood lamley seattle that complex boom. I'm doing a and at the i. Five nights in a row at the local arclights This guy starting. Friday co have had bad news jimmy. I'm also getting just the same person that just told me it's theaters and digital just also told me the unfortunately the arc light is closing and when he says the means the tire chain who will ask and who will. I answer if i'm not going to be. I don't think it's happening jimmy. I think it's i think it's probably canceled this book a long time ago. Then i say go to. Mary holland kunai. Then don't come to my arclight. Guess i guess what we're doing. What movie were you What movie were you queuing about. It was really qaeda in about my life. But i thought that i would rent out discuss arc lights and do them. They're just like the theater setting. Okay yeah that's nice. That'd be nice. Have you been doing movie theater. Oh heavens no heavens. No story yes. Original west side story might be one of the best movies ever made. And maybe we don't need to see a second version of that. We can all agree. It's a tough one to take on. If you're going to remake a movie. I don't know why you want to take a shot at one of the best thing of a couple of reasons why some people might wanna see that remained but yes good movie but if something went wins best picture. I don't know that we need to redo Well you can do like what size story did which was a re a reimagining of Romeo and juliet and reimagine west side story with perhaps a different title and some different people. That's not what's happening i will. I will see it though. I have to see it. I'll be there opening night. Are you kidding me. So i'll see. Amc in the heights at At one pm that'll be my back. Toback competing outlet. A day will be very fitting musicals. Mary's that's something you're into yes. I love musicals. I love them all time. Oh my gosh so hard to pick the first. The first play i ever saw was cats abu. Now we know that was my first. I loved it. And i'll tell you this i remember seeing i must have been seven or eight or something and it was. It was a production in a regional theatre northern virginia. I thought it was. It was the most incredible thing i've ever seen and at intermission. This is how i thought theater worked live theater. I was like at intermission. What they're going to do is they're gonna scan the audience for eager children who clearly want to be actors and then be able to pull those children onto the stage and they will become a part of the show. And so i was like this. Is it my chance at intermission is just stared at the stage looking so excited and eager and i. It's so strange. How as a child you just make up rules of how the world works. That wasn't what happened. i didn't get scouted. Yes but cats was the first musical as i loved it. Phantom of the opera i loved ragtime ragtime was really Out with a one of the first musicals. I saw two. Yeah i i love them. And i went to a theater school where they did. A lot of musicals has ever cast in them. But i got to be around it. And i just love emoting and singing and dancing. I love being around all that. What what food or school did you go to. I went to my last years of high school. I went to a an arts. Boarding school in michigan called interlocken and Which is primarily a Most renowned as a music school people for singing and instruments and all of that. But then they they have a great theater program to and they had a lot of Great budget to put on these amazing production. So i went there and then i went to northern illinois university for college where they had a. Bfa acting program there and we didn't do any musicals there. That was strictly checkoff. Oh i know a lot of folks from from northern. of course. you can't throw a rock in this town without being something from from northern. Tell you what right right So be careful. Don't open that door to door in iraq came first northern illinois that everyone's throwing rocks at them. It doesn't sound good other than mary. I've ever met anybody from northern. You want the first thing i want to do is to a rock at the only person i want to throw a right. Now is the person who won't stop calling it northern. What am i saying. You're saying northern as we all know northern that's what it's called like You okay look. Don't throw your lingo around me dude. I'm just saying regular guy off the street johnny campus. You know that figure north lifestyle being that guy. That's my bag guy. That couldn't get away from college. Fast enough you know. that's me man. The fret lives. Oh yeah. I was all up in that same. That was you who writes he can. That was me. No i wasn't i wasn't around any of that but But yes and i had a great theater program and so that that was we did a lot of a lot of dramas That's the important comedies are for weak people dramas are for the folks that understand the theater. Non speaking of understanding dramas married. Did you Did you watch the we talked about it. Bad before you joined. Did you watch the oscars last night. And i shared in. Yeah what a your thoughts. What are you married. Mary's actually in show business unlike us. Jimmy boy she might be a little more tax polaner. it was. i mean it was. I love watching the oscars every year and this was a really. It was a new take on it. Which was you know exciting. Honestly like i. I missed the sort of the the the bigness of the ceremony of the kodak theater of like all these people they're like it feels like such an event but something that i thought was nice was how intimate this one felt and sitting around tables and chatting and it felt very yeah. I felt very intimate details like that. The camera was on diane warren when she didn't win for the eleventh time and she literally didn't move a muscle like her whole body is just decided. Like i'm just gonna stare forward. Because i don't know what else to do because what the f. does it take for me to win one of these. Damn things like stirred and luckily the camera captured all that luckily warrant a trophy. It'd be done with it for crying out loud. Not that hurt deserve. I'm not suggesting that. I'm just saying that sharing diane warren What what what you gotta do. Also the cameras were so in the cameras were really moving. And we even people in a way that they they. They just can't in epic space like the you. Just you get a strong close up or you get like a shot of the row or something but unless it's like oh. They're in people's laps on of their behind. People every angle cameras were sneaky. That cameras are seeking. I heard some people. Some of those people didn't know they were on television. I think that was unfair. So that's that's the that's the downside. Right i'm going to say diane warren camera. She froze up at just stare forward with just nothing but bio building up through. Hey does anyone know what those little things on every table. They looked like tweezers or i. We had a theory that they were. Maybe many air purifiers interstate makes more sense. Can we thought they were a little lamps. That they went to those that they would just illuminate if they went to that table but it never lived anything. So right like purifier. I thought it was a speaker so that they could hear what's up person talking with saying because there's no loudspeaker i don't think in that theatre. Maybe there wasn't maybe they put stuff up for that but in union station a train station through jazz it. That was really. That was fun. I liked that it was in union station. I thought those cool. I be beautiful. Venue a there's something about a train jimmy. i don't know what is magic matt. Okay thank you party. I like the intimacy because it reminds me of the does remind me in the same way that i liked the embassy of like the democratic convention. Here it down. It's more although again some of these speeches along and maybe it was a little again coma. Inducing but i do like that. Tear down pared down and And i missed bill. Live orchestra your spouse. I did miss that. Even though i know that that music it plays people off when they're in the middle of their speeches and that's always an uncomfortable moment. There's the sweeping like that. The eh thickness of bat live worker. Stresses so so i shall. I liked when i liked that Quest love who was like you know the music director you know from someone who would give a speech and then he would just be like nine to five. What a way to make. A great job is really fun. I love his choices. Yeah he's he's like. I think my age roughly a little older and so like all of his reference like he played. Let's hear it for the boy. At one point. I was like yes. Great he He played the The air horn after I never say pronounce the name properly from a black messiah that gentleman who speech and he did it. So don't think my thirteen year. Old son didn't do that after everybody speech for the rest of and it was funny every time paying pero just ridiculous just redo all right. Listen speaking of my son. Let's get to oliver's trivia question. Matt do we have any sort of indication of that. That's coming we do we do. This is what it sounds like. When just looking for here we go Wait check which one do. I wanna play more. You did surprise me. Quick only quiz. He stay booby snack. That's just remember. Why don't play that one anymore. Because i haven't gotten one right in six months. Oh wow so that means. You have a chance. Mary he now. I like my chances okay. Here's your topic. Here's your topic. Topic is feels like the first time feels like the first time I feel like maybe we didn't did. We say the betting part four mary. Okay yeah absolutely adb. -solutely all right. I'm gonna make that garin that. I hope i'm eligible to make. I finally wrote it down. Are you don mary up. Whatever you have feels like the first time. Just start reading off. What numbers i've used. Garin police quickly four six seven nine eleven fourteen seventeen eighteen twenty one. Twenty three are thank you. I'm in. I finally wrote my dad jamie. That's that i have now. I have a key. You have a little key. I i have a keyboard it's on it's what i call a spreadsheet and that seems to be Problematic enough going on my screen. I'm trying to engage with a human being and then i don't want to have to start looking at numbers opening up that file. Because you know clunky old manpower does not gonna be able to do that. Without computer crashing All right listen all right so everybody ever bets mary. You made your bed. Maria you comfortable saying what part of town you live fascinated by everything about your personal life. Oh my gosh. I live in frock town. I don't know what that means i. I'm not familiar with that phrase. It is a neighborhood is just south of atwater village right on the banks of the la river where it's is. There's a lot of stuff going on over here. A lot of great restaurants and there's a wonderful bakery called just what i needed that frog town that i highly recommend checking out. They make the most incredible cinnamon rolls. Good alright alright. For picking that just what. I need a needed with a k. Baker in this movie. I do talk to this bakery and ask them for tips prior and how to use a rolling pin. And so on i. I wasn't aware of this bakery before we shot the movie. But i did try baking a lot of things before we shot the movie. I did i did. I rolled out some dough. I in was a good. No you're not. You're not happy with what you what was your special. What are the things you. what was your best. Oh i made an olive oil cake. That was so bad. Have you ever had an olive oil cakes. Not have i know everybody. Here's olive oil. Everybody here's all the oil. And they daybreak. They think that's what you saw tay with. And that's true but you can also use it to make an extremely moist and flavorful cake and so if you if you ever come across a slice of olive oil cake do yourself a favor and give it a try. Don't marry i speaking of baking on. You seem like somebody that would be. I would have made it apparent on this. But i don't remember you being on there. So maybe you're coming up or maybe you're not gonna be there at all but nailed it. It seems like you would have been on me. I would love to be. I would love to be on that. I haven't had the chance yet. But i'm hoping i'm hoping i can bribe nicole buyer into getting me. Yeah i mean with this whole with this whole baking thing that you're doing on a feature film. I slammed slam dunk. Bring it up or whatever they say in wrestling when you when you win flash so they call a flash flashes. We wouldn't immediately yes. Yeah wasn't i feel like betsy. Sadahro was on that once was she might making that up. I picturing her being on there. I'll probably picturing that too now. That you've said so it seems like you're very close. You're you're you're so i'm right there. This is yours. It