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Episode 192: Different or better with Evan & Katelyn

Making It With Jimmy Diresta, Bob Clagett and David Picciuto

1:00:54 hr | 3 years ago

Episode 192: Different or better with Evan & Katelyn

"David. There's people there's people by you. I apologize. Big time. But Evan Caitlyn are here. Hello. Oh, long time. No, see. Right. Thinking we made all kinds of cool stuff. They've been here for this. Is they four day four morning for and we made four videos. Holy guacamole. Yeah. They they taught me everything they know about resin foreign which is very little. And it was really fun tried some new things for the first time and towards the end of the day. We have two main working days and yesterday, we were mostly done with the first two videos, and we're like, hey, let's start to more. It was like two pm. Yeah. So the the main project that we wanted to do was resin colorful, Christmas ornaments, and then the other fun one was going to the anti mall. Find something that's not christmasy and turn it into something christmasy and in in our heads. This is going to be super easy. We are so confident a huge antique. Lol it was like, certainly we will find something. And it was almost like you're paralyzed by choice because there's too many things. And then you're paralyzed by like is my idea too complex is it too simple because you could just take anything through Santa hat on it. And all of a sudden, it's christmasy. Video. Yeah. But is in put is in sunglasses on it's cool, but Santa hat on Christmas. Right. Well, so to add a little bit more of a role for our selves. It was that we couldn't add anything that was already christmasy to the thing to make christmasy. So we couldn't just put a Santa hat on it or stick a snowman on it. And then it became really. I'm not going to reveal what we made just yet. But we. Yes. Did you buy a ping pong table? In cutting this mistrial. We both were you here with us to king giant trees. Let's give me we we kind of made it like a almost like a couples competition, but it wasn't really a competition. But it would kinda was and we ended up with the same idea that we found different materials to execute. The same idea. It's very different. Yeah. He's going gonna be fun videos. It will be several moments of panic. Both both of us. Bob, you're in an interesting places weekend. Where did you go? I was in Huntsville, Alabama. There was a thing called thinker Khan, and it was at the space and rocket center, and it was super cool. I'd never been there before, but they have really really big rockets. They're like really big rockets. And there was a great guest list there. I mean, I wasn't there. But there was a lot of. The reason I say that three places I was supposed to be this weekend. Thinker con good land fest and where I was in New York at the event. So you guys both events had the tremendous amount of you to present. I would love to hang out with. So it was my big losses weekend. But ahead of what I did was also very fun. But tells more about thinker. The super cool. I mean, it was kind of geared towards educational content creators so that spanned from some makers, but I think the majority of it was more science and education, really straightforward education stuff. So there are a lot of people there that, you know, we've watched do all sorts of gosh, I'm trying to think of like the list of people. There was a whole bunch of a bunch of like. Astrophysicists I happened to notice. I kinda was my voyeur. My voyeurism was through APRIL's channel April. So I saw. Animal trades. Of course there so USO Frank hall worth as Bobby do Imbaba Duke had a whole host the guys his Instagram of of who he was a lot of guys ended. No. But now, I know the guy with the middle face from the nose down. What's his in the Kevin disillusion? Yeah. Yeah. I saw him there. And. Yeah. I was just a lot of folks there that would have loved to have hung out with. Yeah. It was it was super cool. And they were like, I think there were one hundred comington creators, and may be nine hundred thousand just public that came to the event, and it was all in the space rocket center and dinner, and it mostly it was just like hanging out. Just wondering around talking to people there were two stages on the opposite ends. And so we had panels going on different ones twenty five minute panel. It was really quick. And so I'm moderated a panel with an. April Martin from winter garden. Oh, yeah. Cool guy. I regret not in. It will hang with them. And then a guy named Djibril who does programming and he was really cool guy to. So that was that was pretty cool, and it was quick. So the rest of the time we just kind of hung out, and then they had a big firework show side, and it was it was pretty awesome degree weekend to go to space camp to space camp. And I saw some fun communal like getting to know you things you guys had solve problems quickly in the beginning. It seemed like the first time you guys got their first minute. You got. Yeah. Yeah. Like before the public thing we had some time to do some stuff together in they they set up like these little maker space challenges and so like make vortex cannon. And so they had all the supplies there. And you just came and made a little more text. Can they had cups set up on a table, and you would shoot the air from the text cannon, which if you don't know is just a little it's like a canister with a meme. Brain in it, plastic membrane, and you pull that back with under tension and it pushes air forward. See can't see what shooting, but it's basically shooting a little ring of air out in the water, not air guess, which one of us does that. Caitlyn? Survey. So there's like challenges like that where you you work together to make a little thing and see who could knock down the most Cup. So the furthest distance, and we had a marble as we had to make and stuff like that. It was school one thing I'm curious about do you see more cross collaboration between the making community education at a science community KB coming from this meet up. Oh, yeah. Definitely I, and I think from 'cause you to was one of the sponsors of that event. I think they see that as well, which is incurring because I talked to some people from YouTube, and and they definitely are looking at education, not as as the very specific like school curriculum education, but more I think they kinda look at it from how did they say it like exploration? There is another word that they used for ba-basically exploring something curiosity, the sort it was so they mixed curiosity and straight education together in the same group in you know, we are a good crossover between those two things. So yeah, I can totally see more awareness of the two types of content creators more awareness of each other and probably more collaboration and crossover and stuff in a future. Really, cool, really? That's really cool. It was a great event, and it was put together by it was it was the brainchild of destined from smarter every day, but he had a team of I think they were five people on kind of an advisory board that figured out how to do the whole thing and work together, really hard, and they had tons of own tears who helped to run it in. I mean, I've been to a lot of conferences and a lot of like get togethers around content, and this was by far the most professionally handled one it was amazing. They I didn't see any problems. Like anytime, you get a bunch people like that. There's like logistics. You know, somebody forgets to print the thing that everybody needs to get into the thing or whatever there was nothing like that that I saw anyway, super smooth. And yeah, they did good for it being the first time they're doing it. That's even extra has. Yeah. Exactly. Do you know if they're already talking about twenty nineteen I don't know. I didn't hear anything I kind of soon they will. But I didn't. I don't think they've made decisions yet. Just like people soom there'd be making it two hundred. Exactly the time for that. Thinking speaking of since you brought it up. I realized did I tell you guys this through text on our member I realized that the date that we kinda tentatively picked is during my kids spring break. So there's a good chance of that going gonna change. It's the we'll keep you posted on the we're also setting up. We haven't locked anything, but was setting ten classes for next spring to fall here at the barn. Nice. Oh, awesome. So when some of the states, and that stuff, we gotta talk about because you guys are involved in one of those begins. Yeah. So some of them are together. And some of the spread apart is do you have an idea of how those are going to be split as far as what they're covering or is that still well, we tentatively have knife making welding. Lacks nothing leather working and non linear woodwork, and we say non linear, it's not like at the table. Saw the chops arts draw knife. So blacksmith might be three different classes. We're still working it out with the teachers and welding will be tick welding with Jody Jody's committed to doing it. But we have a nail the date. So that could be you know, that might that might complicate things. But you know, it's still early on. Leatherwork with Taylor's fomer boot making teacher. Lisa sorell. She's committed to come on knife making depose Lino and said a couple of perhaps accent making class with some guys from England. And so we're working out the details. We we've the experiment has gone on less couple of years and it works. It's gonna be always it seems like no matter what we do. We always have a good turn out in a group of people. That are always happy. They leave happy. They come open minded lead, happier, and smarter and more open to new ideas. And that's really what it's about visits about learning. But the experience of the entire weekend wanna try and make it. Thing will you leave inspired to be opened in new people and new nobody new ideas and so everything's working. So now, we're working with little bit of investor behind the scenes, we're gonna try and nail ten classes. We'll see how that goes. You know involves catering and lodging so tell amazing with logistics and all that. She's working out without a friend. Look pretty I'm curious to know, a new talk about this. If you don't want to. But why would there need to be an investor seems like everything is already in place? Oh, you know, how to say he's not really investing is more just consulting with us in Lincoln shredded like the. You know, the PNL's right profits losses in that. We do this going into this obviously to to educate inspire, but we need to make a little bit of money and make sure older costs covered. And he's the one who liked what about this? What about that? Don't forget to do this and had that he also is is my business partner is is Howard. So Howard is just in a fire under a butts Michelle we don't get lacksadaiscious about he's putting dates in place, making sure we we hit certain guidelines the certain milestones. And if it was up to us. We'd both be like let's talk about tomorrow. Let's talk about how it's like a on. Both of us show we delivered to him and to us. So that's really more about what it's about. But yeah. So we work in that out and this weekend. I went to the Filton store which was supposed to be in September. Which is why I was committed to thinker Khan and then. Good of the land fest. Also took place in inland. Dell Texas this weekend, and that was supposed to be in the beginning of November. So. Sometime in like August. I was committed to doing three things the Filton event thinker con in the good land event and through logistics in circumstances. They all ended up on the same weekend until I could only go to the one that I had to be at which was the one where I needed to show up with my canoe and the canoe to the store this weekend. It was great great turnout. Amid a lot of new people a lot of old people in a lot of fans that have wanted to meet me in tri-state area. And it was really good. The store is super crowded and the store gave away stuff. They had led the work of air. They had a bootmaker there. They head attend type crew there. And I didn't get the hang out with any of those guys that much because I was busy with the canoe, and I was supposed to be doing a demo. But there really wasn't any room for it. So I just hung out and talk to new details. A lot of people that curious. It was fun. It was a real fun weekend than at the end of the weekend. They said we really don't have rain for this thing here. We're gonna put it on Boston store. But in the meantime. Can you take it home? And maybe we'll arrange something to you to go to Boston with it. And you know, a demo in Boston store. So I promise everybody was gonna live in the New York store. The funny thing was is they obviously seem to have. It's a big corporation. Right. It's getting bigger and they opened up to stores Boston in New York at the same time big stores kind of flagship stores. Much more prominently placed in the city and bigger footprint. And they had like a a team that comes in decorates the place like a, you know, like the Fridays. And so the whole place is like Decca cooled antiques. And it's. It's hard. Everybody walking around has flare on the vest. And so the place is completely decked out, and my my get this. So we had a party this week. So it was Filton all week long for me because I had a party to go to there at the opening of the opening for the press in the that was a private party Tuesday over the weekend. Was talking with the in the people that was open to the public. But the point I'm making this as I walked into the store the first time that I had seen. It knows ten canoes hanging from the ceiling, and I said, oh, that's really cool. It another. We're gonna have ten other canoes. And when I like, I said, where's my gonna go? She's like, I'm not sure how big is said. It's as big as that fifteen foot canoe. Hang in sealants. Oh, my God is really that big right there. And then we realized that probably wasn't room in the store. Anyway, we we made room for the event that I was at and then I took it home. It's outside right now. It's up to the roof of my car is gonna like three in the morning, and I will put it back in the barn. Hopefully, we get a weather break could take it out in the in a creek somewhere in here. So I have it back to be able to use it. And time will bring it over to the Boston store. And so that's that's my canoe saga which wasn't a saga. It was all good enough lifting, and I'm very happy to still have it. So. Sweet very cool. Well, I didn't really talk about what I've been making. But I honestly cannot even think. What I was working on before left last week. So we can just skip it. I don't know. What did I talk about? My tips videos before the before we started. Or after remember, I don't know. But I watched two of them this morning on the treadmill. Oh, thank you, tastic your. You're you're the jokes the delivery the pace of it like. The cat. This is so good. Excellent. Thank you very much. And the reason I bring it up is because I don't know how many new listeners in new fans that we will have ongoing basis, but there are people suggesting that I do this on a regular basis in the comments section, and the reason I'm saying this most people don't need to hear this. But I've been doing video for like almost the last five years I took a two year break just about two years since the last one I made 'cause I was in the old shop in the last one. So I have fourteen different tips videos. I think I have a viewer lists have to check in double check that I've listened left at the mall together. So I've done fourteen different tips videos in if lows wants to keep sponsoring this Michelle keep moving quicker, obviously, they put the incentive to get these three done before black Friday, which is why did so many so fast, and I'll do more a I've always had the intention of doing Marwan do a CNC tips video which I don't think will be sponsored by Lowe's because it doesn't correlate with their product line. But I do wanna do CNC tips. Video even though must still considered an amateur. I consider myself amateur CNC guy picked up lots of tips that have never seen. Anybody else do over the us? So I'm gonna do a CNC tips. Video welding tips video which I have foot 'age or a shot. Just never put it together. Now, the the fire going maybe I'll do that. So anyway, so it's to bring it up to the people that I have done it in the past. And spike is in everyone of. Of course. And the way that started a lot of people wanna know what you here's wide the cat thing. I bought a workshop from a couple of guys in Brooklyn. And I got all the wood. And all the tools, I bought everything they will move to California. They wanted everything out. And the last day. I went David the shops. Do you want my cat? We can't take him a California with us. He's all we don't want to deal with and he opened the door. And spike was in the big giant room all by himself like waiting for somebody to come and save. And and so I sent a picture to Taylor. Tell us bring him we'll find someone to take him. And so I brought a well I didn't bring him that day because he wanted to make sure his kids got a chance to say goodbye. And so he brought him to the shop about a week later. With food and a carrier in his bed and everything. And that was the day. I started to shoot my first tips video was which was hot glue. So in the beginning of the day me in welder, they've welder we're gonna be gonna make tips video concept. We gotta start tonight. And then the cat showed up, and I didn't even know spike. It was the very first. So like if you see the hotly tips video that was I got spike like an hour before that. And so I just said, oh, let's to at the workshop. Let's keep him. He he went right inside. The saw the first day we opened the base of the old saw. And it was all full does. He went right in there lay down that might even be in the video. So that's that's how the cat got involved. He just it was just a matter of timing. And it was it was fate worth that. Really? Well. Hearing you talk about this last of us, Ed, but like going into the low store and having to explain like, I'm like, what do you say? Like when you're the YouTube present because we have the same thing. Oh, yeah. And they keep wanting us to get employees interactions like us interacting with employees, which is even more awkward because we're like can you be on video with us? Talking with the lose advertising team. Oh, yeah. They're like, it's funny. I walk it in like now when they see me like three of them kinda going pretend the busy. Shuffle. The same jury papers around like this guy. I don't know how to handle him and then pause. Built the guy it own. That's the speaker than someone shows up ten minutes later, like as if they've been in a incubator. I think the manager goes into a secret hut underneath the store. That's like football fields away as the manage was never nearby. They liked common. Like a so explain to me. I know I got the Email three weeks ago in read it, let me try and find it. Then they go back into the secret bunker. So it's it is what it is. But I'm happy that the being adventurous letting me play. So that was really nice. I I sent over the first tips video with spike involved in. They never said all the cats. Cute. We like it, and it was no changes in. So I did the next two. I had them in the Ken last week. I sent them over for when they were proved right away. So it's nice that they're delete willing to create of an open mind. Yeah. There is probably the UPS, man. So anyway, that's my tips videos, and they'll be more soon with without the support of of lows. We'll see how goes. Cool. Well, you had a really interesting topic that you wanted to talk about. Oh, yeah. Well, you know, it's funny. I've been. Over the years just to give a little background on me. I before you too. But I used to be in the toy business, and I did a lot of product design consulting. So I would make my own inventions. And most recently, I talked about my gurgling guts product, which is being relaunched. The the idea of designing developing inventing products, is is a complicated one. But I have just to give some background before people. What it you know, I have twenty five patents in the toy business. None of which are active Costa role expired. They're all from the nineties in the in the early two thousand so patents. Really only good to exploit the seventeen years in product will come onto the market. And then you could that's why this copies of certain drugs as this copies of certain products. You see like, oh, this is not the original brand version, but it's the same as I think I can do that those patents expire after seventeen eighteen years. And then you could just then it's free for everybody to expect that intellectual property, but I wanted to bring up a thing in all YouTube world borough trying to split hairs trying figure out new ways of skinning, the cat for various things. Maybe it's a tape holder of maybe it's a chair or maybe it's a bench or maybe it's a the way to approach something. And I just wanted to bring up. Have a discussion on the concept of different versus different and better. 'cause in my world of patent consulting invention consulting, I met with a lot of guys that would say oh helped me develop this product in amateur inventors in a mine's different than the one. That's on the market. And I said yet, it might be different. But it's not necessarily better. And that's a question that you gotta develop an ask yourself is it better different? It is different because maybe it's a different shape. But is it better? A good example. I get suggested videos all time in a really interesting video popped up last night. And it was new internal combustion engines like done completely in ways that you'd never seen and one of them was this rotary engine where the cylinder and the piston that causes the compression in the explosion, which is how engine works when the explosion happens. The piston is retracted in causes the crankshaft to turn. And if you have eight of those in a row going intermittently, that's what the crankshaft going its own certain direction. And that's what you get power from the big of the piston the big flow Shen, the big of the horse power. So to speak. But this one combustion engine that I saw an I'm gonna have to find the video. So that we could up to my history on all be able to find it. I was impressed with this one engine where the piston and the cylinder came completely apart. And they rotated in to circle some like using both of my hands that kinda come together at the bottom in far apart at the top. And as they come together in the bottom, it's the piston in the Cup and they come together explode on the upward stroke in atop explode apart. And at the same exact time that things happening on the opposite side. So it's two cups to pistons, and they interact they bump, and I was blown away like, it's really different. But is it better? Because now that the piston in the cylinder completely disengaged. If another piece of the engine might come disengaged, you have catastrophic failure, let's say the piston in the cylinder completely apart. Now is their need for oil wet is oil coming. I mean things are gonna get hot. So it was a real interesting concept in maybe maybe I only. Saw version of the engine, and maybe there's much better much better flushed out concept, but it's definitely different. What are the advantages disadvantages? I'm not involved in that production development. So I don't really know. But it is just was such an amazing thing to see a internal combustion engine done differently. But then you really got ask yourself. That's really cool. It's super different. So, but is it better is it better than the engine? That's been out for a hundred twenty five years the turtle combustion engine. I think the one item that everybody can relate to that. We can see change really fast as the cellphone Sony just entered or not Sony, but Samsung introduced the foldable phone which might be available in the next year to that's completely different. But is it better? Because now you have this weird seem in between two screens in Ben's, and it's different. But is is it better? And there's so many things that were trying to jam in the cell phones. Because there's like three or four companies that are just trying to outdo each other all time. So they're just in things a good good example that is the phone that has the screen wraps around the edge. Is it called the edge? It's called the. Yeah. I mean, that's I think that I know me, and I to me I'm like, yeah. That's different. But it seems to be more vulnerable a teams every phone will break eventually somehow some way and to have that exposed edge, naked just imagine me. I would drop it right at every time it fell out of my head would fall right on that age is who should be called the broken edge. That's what my phone. So is it is definitely different. I know they have some advantages. I think my brother has one because I've seen a little side screen pops up, but the little edge folder thing. Pops up. And is it better for me? No is different. Yeah. It's cool. It looks cool in pictures in its marketing defendant, and they get that there's million dollar corporations asking themselves. It's different is a better and the NFL like it they'll justify all the reasons why it's better. That's why they have market team a might not necessarily be true. But they'll make you believe that it's true. And that's what car companies have been doing for years. It's different. Is it better? You know, what's better for each individual is different answer. But as YouTubers designers, inventors we also have to really be sure to ask ourselves of my shelf is definitely different. But is it better or just different to the sake of being visually different from the pack. So these type of things that you should ask yourself on on on the regular basis. It's different but is different better. So I think another thing though, and doesn't necessarily apply apply product design when it's going out in the world. But but what we do. I think the entertainment factor of YouTube videos is something that sometimes can make it if it's different not necessarily better. It can still be a positive thing. Just because it might be more entertaining to be done in a different way. This surely it's like it's like hearing a copy of a song or or cover of a song that we're always so used to hearing. And then you hear somebody else doing like office is different. And then here to times like I really liked this version. And here third time. And then you forget the original version that's happened with with with entertainers that I that I like and respect he added like sometimes sometimes we'll try something just a little different in weird just to see how it works that we might not necessarily try if the goal is just to make it better. Like recently, we used a potato to make a mold, and we just cut it up and use that actually ended up working really well, but if but our goal for that was to just do something different. And we ended up finding something that actually I think did work well for something that that was quick if you don't have a bunch of materials. No. That's really cool. Yeah. So they go different and better. Yeah. It all depends on circumstance up. I think sometimes that that experiment of that were the first step is not necessarily better can also be a gateway into a whole new line of thinking or a whole new, you know, like take back to the cell phone thing. You're talking about with the F. That in and of itself that particular product may be a bad choice. Right. Because you're holding it you drop it on its edge whatever, but the idea of having a screen that can Vicsal excuse me. Busy around something could be applied in to some other pieces or piece of technology in the future. That makes more sense. You know, maybe it wraps on. I don't know. This is not a good idea. But just for instance, may be wraps around the side of your refrigerator. So that the edges of the refrigerator, which don't take the same type of abuse have some other function that becomes more useful in the kitchen or something. But so like sometimes those things the first rations not better. But it leads to technology or to experimentation that will eventually be better. You know, that was really maybe. But maybe not like, Nick, maybe they're gonna use potatoes for everything. So when you guys are making videos, how much of the different embitter scenario are you applying to your video? So does it not matter to you? I I do it almost every time. Like, I think was telling. And I was telling somebody that this weekend. I will look at funny to make some shelves. I can't just make shelves. It's gotta have thing. Right. So like, even when we I did a ping pong table. It needed thing could just be a ping pong table. And we actually ended up adding a bunch of things to it. And it's still a ping pong table. So maybe it's not better. But I do that with just about everything if for no other reason than to force myself to not take the easiest possible route down in design like it. I can make shelves in my sleep. So if they do something else, I can't do that in my sleep and have to work a little bit harder to brainstorm, cool Brig who fled. I can make shelves must leap, man. I should do that. It'd be so much more productive image. You're you're builder asleep. Mink. I find myself in my in my videos because in certain times, my videos are more important than the thing that I'm making because of the videos is the thing that is my business. And so I'm always trying to make the not necessarily the content. But the edit the feel the flow of my videos, different and better. And sometimes the projects I make are not new at all. I mean, I made a box showing Jake recently. And I got so many comments saying yet, you did not invent that this has been done ten times before my dad. This jig is probably been used for two hundred years. You know, I'm not trying to reinvent jigs. I'm just trying to introduce people to something new. But what is different is? Maybe how I made the video because I made the video the video six minutes long instead of watching that twenty minute long video trying to get through all that information. You get. Right away. Toot my own for second. When it's when I kept back into when I got back into the tip city. Oh, I wrote down what I wanted to do. I thought about for a second. I said these are the footsteps, and when I wrote them down at myself, I should go and make sure that I'm not gonna do the same tips at somebody else's doing. So I go for instance, reciprocating saw and I found a guy who had a series of tips that similar to mine. I mean, I still wanna to them from him. But one thing that I personally as somebody with attention deficit disorder in seven other examples of different things that are wrong with people. I couldn't watch video because it was just one long conversation with a saw in the video was the next thing you can do with it. So for me, I've already established the the setup for me to break up the tip. So you could look at the cat and think about what you just saw easier for me, the guy I always tell people only tell me information that I need to know right now, don't give me everything. At once. Just tell me what I need to know right now for the next hour. You know, like I'll go in the work on TV set or TV show said or. And people throw all the information at you at once. I even tell my agent about some marketing stuff only just tell me what I need to know for the first part of the obligation because I have something coming up. And I it's in it's a tweet. And it's a they tell me everything is please tell me what I need to know for the very next milestone, don't tell me anything else is that just clouds my mind that I can't stay focus can't stay paying attention. And so that's why tips videos are the way they are. Because when people throw seven things that you and is no break to breathe in between those seven things. I only have one loud noise. I don't hear seven different things. And so that's why my tip videos are different. And I believe better. I mean, of course, it's me. I think it's better. But it works for me, and my my attention deficit problems. So is a good example of different and in my opinion better. So where the break you need the break to stop think. And you get a little glimpse of the cat. About the cat. So some interesting so what we're doing this? We are making the product we're making a video, and we're trying to be entertaining for the people watching. So each one of those could have a different but better aspect to it. Yeah. We've talked about a few of them here. Going back to the product side of things. I wonder if any of you guys have faced this only have three patents. I know. Weird flex. But. Okay. Patents are in what minor in the toy business where it's like, I'm working for a client. And I put like a little dimple on something like great put what's panted. So nobody else puts the temple on business. So like of my twenty five patents to them. Like, really, we're only like potent the rest of them were very vague in kind of silly. What are your patents are earn? I think I know, but you could sit minor in like new types of pumps new types of tools that you can use their big fancy expensive things. I'm just one of the inventors on them. But this is in the oil industry where you yeah. Yeah. So one thing that we ran into though is sometimes we would find the best most optimal solution. But it was too simple and people could really easily look at it. Take it apart and make it their own. And that's one thing that has a big corporation people want to you. You wanna protect your your intellectual property. So we might wanna make it a little bit more complex to make it harder to reverse engineer. And as as an engineer on like, no, let's keep it. Simple. Durable long lasting. But you have to balance. I guess those two aspects I'm not sure if you guys have run into anything I've never heard of this before. But it makes sense. Well, they've in moments in the type business where me and whoever else might be working with the come up with an idea that so simple that you can't even the patent it. But it's you figured out an interesting way to use it, and it's kind of fun to play with. And then you just go. Well, what can I do about this that decide an example of this is it just comes to mind, I date this gurgling jets thing which happens. Here on my desk. It's this thing which wishing. Wait. Let me get the product that wasn't at those now stomach. I came up with this Kirkland guts thing with the ball inside of a skin. What happens is the patent is based on the idea that this liquid is in between the two things makes a noise. A few weeks later, I came up with a different version of this which was a gross terminal these gross things and took a silicone ball. No PVC ball, and I filled it with ballistic gel, and then I cut a bunch of holes in it. And when you squeeze it the ballistic gel pops out of it. That's a product that everybody in their mother has seen through the nineties into the early two thousands because it got knocked off sixty thousand times, and I wasn't ever able to go and fight the fight because it was kinda pointless. It was just such a simple idea. I may have even come up with it and got it patented at the same exact time somebody in China thought of it at the same time. So I I'm not even I'm not sitting here saying everybody copied me, I'm saying it's an idea that just kinda was there, but I did get the patents on it. But all the knockoffs came from all these companies that nobody knew all these little party favor making companies in about the same time after my product came out. There was the pig doesn't remember those a pig with gel that came out of its but. Commercial spot where these squeeze the pig the gel came out of its, but that was my Pat, although I wasn't going to sue MTV. They just had a quick little video progress of video segments should say. And so I'm. Choi see Jill came out of a pigs. But and that was a toy see I have one of those mine was a cow the. Yeah, it was like a dad bunch of little like really cartoonish farm animals. Serving you probably I probably Google the segment on YouTube. No, it was the deficit gel. So it comes in all colors, like bright, white and green and yellow and blue and orange, and it's inside of PVC toy which could be any little squeezy toy and we made them with gross faces. So the eyeballs when we had like sit holes and stuff, but when you squeeze them all that stuff pops out. And then when you let go it goes right back that product I started out as a balloon inside of a PVC ball. I made that product when you squeeze the balloon would pop through all the holes. But then those balloons pop because it would overstretch holiday break. And so the next logical step was to put I said what we need in here is some kind of gel. That's what we need. And then I found that you can get ballistic gel and melted like wax poured into molds. And then when it cools that ballistic jelly yet. And so that's that was the product that I made so we had gurgling guts in gushers. We will calling them bushes. It was a different line of products came out a year later and knows didn't do. Well. But they got knocked off so many ways, we just whatever is on that we do we just stuck with your ritual product, which wasn't getting knocked off nearly as much and that's. Colonel. So there's an idea of as it doesn't example of a concept or an invention. That was just so easily top. It was just copied so much that there was nothing. I could do about it. And some of the like when somebody made the pig with the, but that was different. And I believe better than mine because it was one simple thing. Everybody likes poop. And as I pulled when I made this like wait is that a monster whose zits like early in the stand that it's a monster? And he like. And he is like this. And then when they did the peg was like, oh my God. It's peg in its pooping. I love it. So. Struck a nerve that. I didn't I didn't see, you know, like, I think if we would have saw the pink with we would sort made like an animal that poops. And then the poop goes back inside. We would have been like that's really funny, but that's not marketable. Let's come up with something else. Let's come up with monsters that have zits. So I don't think we would have mailed it the way somebody else did in. I believe it was different in believe this from a marketing point, it was better than the month. If this is your first time listening to making it we don't normally talk about who. We after show. But Jimmy was does that always. Well, do we have anything else around the the kind of central topic of different better? I mean. Where's this lazy thing that? Well, yeah. I was gonna say do you have any like I was going to go the other direction? Do you have any like really specific instances outside of the patent into things? But McGinn the video into things where you've done something. We've put out the video thinking like this was going to be the better option. But then it just turned out to be like Phil flat with people watching the video your idea. Didn't really catch the way that you thought it would I have a great example when I made the wooden box with only utility knife where the entire box was made out of that that foam core board for neared with wood veneer, and I thought and the box I made I thought came out really cool. It was a beautiful looking would box that anybody could make with a knife. And I'd like this video is gonna take off and people can make beautiful wooden things with limited tools, and then nobody watched the video and that could be because maybe only I think it's a creative thing or maybe I didn't title. Or user, right, thumbnail, whatever there's many reasons that it could not have taken off I blame myself. But that's one thing that I thought this is gonna take the craft in world by storm, and everybody's gonna make these wooden boxes with a knife. The world by storm. That's very funny. The craftily. Yeah, we have another. And I think it might have been the case of being trying to be too different from our normal stuff. But recently, we did a club ration- with Bill in Brit from punish props and Joel from thirty printing nerd, and we did a prop off challenge, and it was totally different format because we made it almost like a game show parody kind of thing where the two of us enjoy each made a prop in two hours Bill Brit judge debt, and it was really funny is a lot of like, non linear editing. It was one of our more complicated videos to edit and it just did not perform well. Like we thought. Oh, yeah. We thought, you know, it's a big club ration-, there's you know, three different channels involved. It's really fun is something different. But I don't know. Maybe it was from my attention deficit disorder Maury like okay, wait sent him. This. Was my squeaky more. Props? Everybody hit mute three kids. I'm trying to get prepared to watch video game show. Okay. What do I hit play? Even Bob kind of made it appearance as guest judge on Ned at least, right, Bob. See my wife off circles in hours pointing all the. A big our it's play. So the world wasn't ready for videos. What you're saying? But what was interesting is if each of these were being judged by impartial audience of viewers, we might get results. But each time we release a video it's being judged by the audience that we currently have our subscribers and how our subscribers and engage that video. That's how YouTube rinks it and gives it a grade to show to more people. So what are videos are doing aren't necessarily grading them between good and bad? It's putting them through a filter, and then pushing them to audiences that you might think will enjoy it amount shrimp saying this, right, but what are video performances doing isn't necessarily judging whether the video is good or not, right? All right. Feel better. That's actually one of the hard things about YouTube is that you don't really have a sense. It's hard to really get a sense of whether something that you put out is good or not for that very reason because you can put out something bad that happens to hit the keywords in time requirement in those things that you know, YouTube is going to pick up serve to a lot of people. A lot of people may watch it in hate it. But they've watched it. So that's our metric of like it was good because it was watched. But the opposite can totally be true. Like, your example. I don't know how this happened. But there's this time lapse of a guy who like it's like a nest camera pointing out at his driveway, and someone is refinishing the driveway, and it has twenty million views and all of the comments are like wise YouTube suggesting this why is YouTube suggesting this are you watching this and this year, you're watching this and this year, and it just keeps on going 'cause people fee like why is this on my homepage? They click it how does this twenty million views the click it how does this thirty million views. Clicking contributing. Case know, something that's not great. But is doing amazingly where something could be performing really low. But it's just because you haven't found that audience that enjoy time lapse. Thing. I it brings me to a concept that I was a little nervous about. But unpleasantly surprised is my canoe video when I was putting together the canoe video. I knew I had a full edit of at least thirty five minutes, and I asked that through Instagram it, should I break it up. I I hate doing chapter videos. I don't think I've ever done part one and part two ever my life because I know I'll always to see one of those parts and just we like, okay? I got it. I could see the middle park and be like, okay. I see where this is going. I don't need to find part soon three. And I personally never liked following a series because I have no attention to detail in IMI when it comes to. I just don't follow it. So I said I'm going to do different than in. This is opposite of what I said about the tips videos with the tips video Smeal little potato chips that just that it's not like a tremendous meal. So when McMahon foaming sense bonds with him phrase? Perfect. So it's like a can of Pringles. So let me gather my thoughts. So when I decide what I was going to do I actually did watch a lot of canoe videos at helped me in the process of building. My canoe when I watched guys who chapter is one guy did a really beautiful canoe with an inlaid side after I saw that I was done with my lap. And I was like I wish I would have thought to do that earlier, and it was this beautiful sort of like south western styled pattern in the side of his canoe strips, but I watched all his chapters in and. And when it came time for mine, I'm like what's going to fit on my channel just like fast forward through six months worth of work jammed into his short period of time as I could. And I put it out there. Not no one how it was gonna be received n it's done. Really? Well, it's been like my it's been really good performing video for me. Despite the fact that thirty five minutes long, and I don't know what my retention is. I haven't watched yet. But there's some clues throughout the video that people are seeing that reminded me like, for instance, our pops up at annot air when I was working on the canoe at about twelve minutes. I was working on the kidney when Eric from Hansel rescue is here in I had the camera and tripod, and he stuck up behind me in popped his head up. And I didn't know that was in the attic because at the end of the day. I just closed the cameras just downloaded the footage. Never reviewed the footage. I was building up. My canoe footage till I got more. That was nervous. So I gave. Rhett. Hard drive with hours of leashes. Do the first half woman in inbred knocked down to like a twenty minute cut. And I tweaked it after that. But he handed me and goes, it's Eric at super funny. Ikea what he ended me the harder Erickson, it's really funny. I left them in there. What do you mean? He goes. Oh, you don't know as I will you'll see it. And when I completely forgot so now it's like three four days later when I finally review the footage, and Eric pops up at I'm here alone in the in the computer, laughing so hard Eric pops up in pops back away makes it crazy face. And it was such a funny surprise. So I left that in the at it. So that's like one of the Easter eggs that people noticing. So I know that they'll watching at least twelve minutes in in a couple of small things at the end with people saying, oh, so I know that people are watching through at least a few people that comment. Long explanation. Short. I'm surprised that people watching it thirty five minute video versus me rolling out five chapters over the course of a month. I've run into that as well. I mean, I had I think my longest video is twenty six minutes or something like that. And I was really a bit anxious. I don't usually worry about the time. But that was that seemed excessive with the same time. Neither one of those videos if I'd split into two parts would have been complete enough to be alone. You know? Yeah. In that one actually has done really really, well, especially for the the subject matter. It was like making a closet, which doesn't seem terribly interesting to people. But I mean, I wouldn't think it would be interesting to people. But I know how I long video sue. I just watch it until I can't watch it anymore than I get back to it later. I mean, just like reading chapter in a book that's gets later. I'll I'll watch until certain point. I get a phone call get interrupted a month. Something else. Few hours later. I'm like, let me see whether video goes in history and find it. So that's what I assumed people with do with the long video like canoe Bill. In. So it just goes right because people watching it, and there is a YouTube section now like jump back in where it's trying to get you to finish those long videos. Oh, yeah. Will you go back to it and to go? Yeah. Yeah. It goes. That's very that's really a that's very helpful. I don't think I, but that that is pretty cool. Sweet. Well. Wanna go onto what we're what we've been watching? I think our patriot supporters two of which are with us right now. If you think we should should we give them like a discount or like a credit on their patriots. Maybe we should big things to kaitlin for being here. But also for being patriot supporters. Also, thanks to Wiesel. Dow Corey ward works by solo Chad from an crafting Nick Ryan Kayla. Paris. Who was at the thing in think, that's what it was. He was there super cool maker in training, fun kiss artistic creations Blondie hacks and make build modify. I almost got it better than usual. But anyway, thanks to them all of them and everybody that helps us out over there in if you want to help out the show in any way, go to patriot dot com slash making it and even a dollar any level gets you the after show. Thank you. Yes. All right. What you've been watching? I'll go first with this really cool channel Andy mation because no mation. No, no. I popped up. My suggested in washed. About ten of his videos. He makes flip books. Any describes it easy way to make flip books in his last video from last week. It's got seven million Jews the video before that from weeks. Go get eight million views. He's got three million one million two million. But will be a little he's got a lot of millions of us Scott when he makes little flip book. So he he'll by basically works with index cards, but he's a he's a professional animator. But this is a great example of someone that has tremendous amount of information to share makes it simple for the masses. It makes it simple, obviously, automation is a complicated thing. But he shows you how anybody could. Take a flip book make a flip book out of a pack of index cards and do something extremely interesting in his last one is the line challenge. Is it? I'm going to try and do something with a simple line. How could I make simple? I'd be interesting in in have some character. And he has the line bouncing around inside. The thing goes into a coil than its substrate. Again, really really really amazing editor shows how anybody could do a flip. And it's a good thing. If you have kids make give a kid the the ability to make a flip book up heavily flip books in busy flowers. Yeah. We we've actually done it before they didn't have the patience at the time till like really carry through it. But they did think it was pretty awesome. That is really cool. Great unbelievable shows like he'll drop a stick in real life. See how it moves and translate that. That's really go up. So for me. I am going with somebody that I just learned a group of people that had just learned about yesterday through these two here. Caitlyn and it's called the Tri guys. And it's it's really cool. So there's there's four of them, right? And so I'm learning that their YouTube channels kind of all over the place. It's like the one time they'll try this in the try that. So there's not like a set format with their videos. We watched one. They used to be with BuzzFeed, they broke apart done their own thing now, but the video that we watched yesterday was when they were still with BuzzFeed, and they were challenged to make bread with out looking at a recipe only by what you know in your head, and it was really fun. And you guys wanted to show me because the edit was amazing, but the content of it was also just equally amazing. And then we watched another one of where they would go. They went to a plastic surgeon and to get a consultation and then based on that consultation. They had Photoshop expert make those adjustments to their faces. And so that one was a little bit more deep in a little bit more like is this acceptable type thing, and it was just a really fun channel recommend it goes from fun and silly to emotional and everywhere in between bench all of. The non linear editing style that they have is so interesting that that's actually their bread video is the one that we after seeing that. That's when we decided to do our prop off video because we have to try something like this where it's like a challenge parody. And there is in the moment interviews intermixed with what's happening live and the it's their illegal channel. Sweet will mine is one that you've probably all seen before is such a guy that was on tested. They did a feature on hymns names, Barnaby Dixon, and he does puppetry in. I'd seen like short videos of these little puppets that he made in. Don't think I ever watched the tested stuff on it. But it was like interesting in the periphery rate. It was like, oh, wow. It looks pretty cool. And that was about it. Well, he was at thinker con in getting to sit down and talk to him. And then having him pull these tiny little puppets out and put them on and walk around. I saw heavy like glow in the dark win jump on people's shoulder those. Yeah. So he does this different type of puppetry where he uses both hands in their attached these publisher tach to his fingers, so they'll put his hands together in some weird little configuration in he can move these little creatures in ways that just don't really make sense like in. It's all very natural to him. Like, we were sitting there at a table talking. And he didn't have these things on he would just pull his hands up and stick them together. And you could see even with no puppet, you could see the movement. You could see what parts were being moved. Just the way he was doing his hands. Anyone really amazing stuff from talking to him and talking about his history. He used to do stop motion in mission. I just had a very different appreciation for seeing close and super cool. So did you did you see the one where he attached and Elliott scream to his puppet? Those alive feed of his mouth those go pro attached to his face. As you moves his face round. It's Dodig and he can move the puppet around and talk and the. Talking. It's so cool. Really cool. Yeah. I I saw video of that one. It was pretty amazing, but they're super cool because he's got a bunch of different types. Maybe not a bunch, but a few different types of types of creatures like, I don't even know how to say that. But you know, there's a bipedal to where he's controlling one hand is the do feet the two legs in the other is two arms. But then he has like a bird in. I think there's a four or six legged creature. Don't remember, exactly. But you know, so it's not the same thing with different skins on. He has a bunch of different types of things that require different types of motion. So anyway, very cool go check amount. Anything else? Jimmy. Doing. Yeah. I'm sure you guys have seen Fench guy. Cooking. Yeah. We've been watching a lot of his videos, recently, and the way he problems halls and tells a story at the same time is really fascinating. And has a book out is book just came out. Yeah. Yeah. Has just came out. But he's also like, you know, I don't know if all the audiences watched his videos because if you think I'm not into cooking videos. You may not watch it. But he's like a very maker each channel like half, the videos, we watch of his are where he's making something, and it might be for the kitchen, but he will go on this adventure on trying to figure out how to make the best thing. Like the best knife tool. Sharpen are the best like bag for bringing groceries in. And it's like, he's they're all very very well done. He's written a cooking book. But he's about to. I'm not sure when he's going to do this. But he is going to release a Kickstarter for a wifi or bluetooth connected angle. Gauge that you magnetically snap onto a knife to sharpen it. A precise angle. The the problems that tackles are just so interesting. That's cool. He came to my shop in New York before I moved out about three years ago when they the pizza cutter at a to sort of push sauce. So you could find he has his version. I buy version I use it as a log segment where we cut a pizza. We welded to saucy other cuts could push down like a rocker. NFL also has no the channel the modern rogue. Yeah. Just through you guys. It's another one I think like not all not everyone make community know about them. But they do a lot of really really cool stuff. And some of it is making like we just hung out with them and made some improvised weapons, which is really the one. That's out right now is we made a pneumatic cannon Abba. We have a few more that that will be released. But so they do a lot of improvise weaponry. They do like, I guess how'd you describe their channel? It's like their their goal is to become the ultimate like, gentlemen and scoundrel. And so they have a lot of like like how to pick a lock how to do cry like, they'll get trained in Kratie. They'll get chained in how to cook the ultimate steak or sometimes they'll just try crazy things like candidate cooking egg on a light bulb. Could can't hang they have a lot of fun of really fun stuff bad. Their channels highly entertaining. Sweet. Awesome. Awesome. Well, I guess that was probably for the main show. Thank you. Evan Kaelin for hanging out with this having thanks for having us again. Of course, you're probably the first like w we haven't had very many guests anyway. But pretty sure you're the first double ghost guest host. Could you just keep all of your houses? Kimmy you're next. Many. Quick way to clean, your house is the have guests over 'cause you everything. No, the rent the house, we had a house cleaner. We do have house cleaner now. But when we when house rented, it's spotless. And then when everybody leaves places it gets its zest. That's everybody's house. Cool. Well, I guess that's it for this one onto the after show. Thank you everybody. Thank next. Listen. Thank you for listening. I love you too. Jimmy.

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Ministry of Supply's Gihan Amarasiriwardena: 'The importance of comfort has been elevated'

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Ministry of Supply's Gihan Amarasiriwardena: 'The importance of comfort has been elevated'

"Things for tuning into the glossy podcast. I'm your host and jill off. In today i sit down with john. Amara siriwardena co founder and president of ministry of supply. When i think of ministry of supply i think of work wear comfortable work. Where but work. Where so i wanted to ask keyhan. How ships to work from home has impacted the business. Plus i wanted to dig into. How the brand's tech focus has evolved. Welcome key hunt traveling so much for being here for those who don't know the brand. Did i summit up. well Work where with a i guess. Comfortable slant how would you describe it as it was shaped at the beginning. Yeah yeah absolutely you know when we started out almost almost ten years ago. We were just witnessing ourselves just the explosion of performance materials. And how those made such a big difference in you know athletic. Wear right yeah moisture making fabrics etc and as we entered our professionalized we wanted to see that same comfort. Right of being able to be dry during the day being able to move with four stretch fabrics but also not having to go to the dry cleaner so we we designed an entire line of machine washable for way stretch suiting in including four of the office. You're traveling commute. And i think what's been interesting has been that in the past year while people aren't wearing dress shirts nearly as much as they used to northern wearing suits. This idea of the importance of comfort has just been elevated right of like. How can we be more comfortable while. We're working right and the fact that our days are so integrated Both in terms of where we are. But also you know we have to. We have the context switch. All the time and our clothes should be designed to do that absolutely. So when you're talking about we this was when you were developing the brand. This was you amman. Is that correct. Yup yup mit like this is like going back was how the the idea came about. Yeah it's it's a funny story. My co-founder i we were. We were both. We're both engineers bhai background. But we were at mit peddling are prototypes of moisture. Making dress shirts. I was cutting up running shirts and making dress shirts out of them and it turns out a man was former consultant. Cutting up his his nikki. Dry dry it sox cutting the bottoms of them and selling them to gold hosts dress socks and we were both hacking apparel. And you know the. The joke goes our our friends. Were were hacking code. And we were hacking clothes so one of our professors introduced us because we were just both really interested in how these novel materials could really affect our productivity in our comfort. You know for for the other eight hours you know. We're not at the gym during the day. So this was the brand the ground in two thousand twelve. What was the first thing i would say. I hear a lot of brands saying that. You know we're really a tech company. But i feel like you guys have more so Yes would you say that you are tech is at the at the focus of all you do. Yeah i think one of our voices is empathetic invention. It's how can we invent products that solve low moments in people's days and largely through clothing But makes makes our daily lives a lot easier and a up apparel company but we really think of our price through the lens of science frail. Like how can we make our daily experience of wearing clothes. A lot. More comfortable and allows to be president what we're doing so for for all of our garments We start off at kind of the fundamentals which is looking at the human body. How do we has our body move. How do we we look at. How skin stretches how do we expel heat and moisture for example in us that in conjunction with novel materials facing materials like nazis in their space suits to new construction techniques like three print net which is like computerized knitting process combining all these together to solve daily new Nuisances love like having to go to the dry cleaners right. You know or having pit stains and what's interesting. Is this approach we we. We found that there was a lot of you know challenges in informal dress where but that desire for comfort hasn't changed and and that's what's been exciting. It's more about about process of designing a than it is about making dress shirts and suits the. How would you describe the shift. So it was more. So i know you used to have a lot of talk about travel in your in your marketing. Maybe from work to a business. Or i don't know what the truth was. You tell me but then how would you describe this shift where more so it's work from home. Go from home to wear anyway talk me. Yeah yeah. I mean what's interesting. We've been tracking kind of these different spheres that we used to have different clothing for right. We use of our workloads. We used to have our active clothing. casual clothes right and When we saw when mos was being developed it was really the intersection of active and work. Apparel right it's bring four way. Stretch machine washable machine. Washable clothes Work well in an office environment for example right and at the same time you know athletes or took off right the intersection of of active wear and and leisure and that was kind of the genesis of of athletes. And most recently though. There's been this new intersection of where. Leisure and work can intersect right now. This new category called work leisure and in some cases. We've we've been developing close for work leisure since it's just all of a sudden people start devalue comfort right the they want waistbands for example that stretch while they're sitting down your interesting fact is that like you're wasting your waist actually expands about five to seven percent when you're sitting down and typical belts. Don't stretch right and so You know as we're all sitting at home these days Were wing more conscious of this. And so we're designing clothes at stretch of the waistband for example that are designed to fit with sneakers for example over traditional brown leather shoes. For example. it's it's it's designed to be soft stretching comfortable but still look presentable and sharp. That is like the fact of the day. I did not know that i was expanding. Here says wild so this about making tweaks to your current assortment. And or just i guess adding onto the assortment with more comfortable option. Yeah yeah it's interesting. We thought we were going to have to design entirely new category line but we found more and more was that actually it was about tweaking or products we always been using performance functional fabrics that are really soft and stretchy in machine washable so that it was actually about adjusting the silhouette in one of the things that we realized you know halfway through the pandemic or around august when it was clear that we weren't returning back to the office to kind of traditional life in in the fall Was was the modifier inventory. You know there's been massive fluctuations in the supply chain over the past year So we have. We had a lot of chino's pants for example in our warehouse. You're just boston. And we send it to a factory in new jersey were actually had the legs taper down a little bit so that their crops and tapered so that they worked with sneakers right and that was a shift in aesthetic but at the end the day was the same great for stretch fabric. That people loved just in a different select. We actually put a inserted a drawstring waistband into so you could wear it without a belt so no belts. No brown shoes is kind of in our line recently. But we found that you can actually take a lot of the garments that you have an an modify them. In fact a lot dress shirts. We changed a couple of details on them. Short them so they'd be worn untucked and doing these modifications actually helped our customers understand. Like i've actually got a lot of stuff in my wardrobe already that i can wear with. Just you know. Some tailoring adjustments even. They're perfect from for for work from home and beyond. Yeah how did you message that. I know that when i was talking with sarah from 'em leflore. She was saying you know she. I don't even know if they changed anything. They just changed. The name of a pair of pants to. Joggers flew off the shelves like of. What are you messing these changes. Yeah i think a lot of it has to do with with presentation kind of photography like that's been the most helpful part is we actually reshot our entire website Back in september of last year of you know if you look at our state before then yeah. There's a lot of suits salon tucked in dress shirts a lot of nutritional leather shoes and you're just reinventing the same product but with sneakers. Right with an untouchable or a t shirt layered with a blazer or sweater even right That helping our customers understand. Like hey. I've got a lot of these pieces of my wardrobe already. How can i. How can i wear them today. And also what are the one or two pieces suddenly just makes outfit come together. So in some cases it's modifying inventory and other cases it's about helping people understand how to how to what these new outfits could look like. Yes let's talk other challenges in the last year obviously product. I dunno challenges shifts Do you still believe in the direct to consumer model. I think of you guys as a direct to consumer brand. I think maybe you had a presence. Maybe unstitched fix or maybe on some sites But yeah talk to me about that. Challenge or change. Yeah i think like simultaneously right there is. There is both a shift in aesthetic in wardrobe in that same time. Channel strategy right we. We had six stores across the country right now. They're closed and you know we're reevaluating. Our strategy for for opening them. We are piloting reopening. Our store here in boston In the next couple of weeks. And that's something that we're really excited about. But thinking about through the lens of if if we reopen or stores how we had we open them for kind of this this post pandemic role right which is what what are people looking for when they come into a store for an in person experience We don't wanna go back to where we were encamped traditional retail because our expectations have changed right We've invested a lot in our digital presence in ecommerce and Optimizing the experience for distribution there but then using the the in person experience Really about your education for example of trying the private on and and really about you know touching feel which is something. We're still trying to figure out. How do you bring that to the digital experience. Yes does the shoppers. So when i go to physical store do you think that maybe just one i guess flagship. Your boston store will suffice. Yea we'll see. I think one thing that are stores have have done well within the past has been areas with a significant amount of both domestic and international tourism. And i think that's the trend that we want to track in. It may not necessarily happen this year. That we're seeing domestic tourism take off but for international tourism to to really kind of rebound. We didn't happen until next year. Yes so for for the product shifts. Is this the new norm. Do you think will you be going back to more formal. I guess style silhouettes What's your expectation. There the the transit looking at in terms of how wardrobes are changing is is really interested in in the evolution of the morning routine. We've seen that people have become so much more conscious about their mornings right. Like how do they go through. you know. they're they've only had many cases half an hour an extra hour in the morning that they've utilized and they found it to be a very powerful our or time with their families for for themselves etcetera. But that's an opportunity for for clothing to play a role to which is. How can they be comfortable in that the morning time at my home and also how can i be prepared for the rest of the day kick could it. Could it be one piece that takes you through multiple multiple different scenarios. Another thing that we're seeing is you know while there's you know a return to normal in terms of like people being outside that there's some hesitation around Taking public transit for example and so we actually anticipate that the active commute is going to be something that we see take off at hopefully a long-term macro trend. That's something that you know. We see our Serving really well in right. Because they've got great for a stretch. They're they're gonna come into the office. You know looking sharp when they do go in and people hybrid work style. Which is you know. Maybe we'll come in for the middle of the day for meeting in a work from home somewhere else that there's going to be a lot more transitions and that's where a practice best. And then lastly. I think what's been interesting. Has been the the the like mari condo purge of everyone's closets that's happened over the past couple of months and so people are really investigating like i haven't touched these clothes for a year and i've gone away with much more edited collection of clothes in so that. Same regard like as people rebuild their wardrobes. They're gonna want you know you're better price at the take them across multiple instances right so you don't have to. Do you know three outfit. Changes day if you're going through seven transitions Of the day. So i think that's. That's something that we're real. Interest is active commu morning routines and then also kind of consolidated wardrobe. Yeah it's on the same note. Aside from i guess the active worker person i think of your clothes and being a tech forward In their sustainability and yet your efforts there you guys carbon carbon neutral correct. And yeah yeah. What's the evolution there. I know you guys are trying some new things. Tell me about the new program with circularity. First of all which. I think is exciting. Yeah for our san sustainability has always been how can we reduce our footprint of our production particularly through the lens of of product and materials. Our strength is in is in materials. May factoring and we want to go. That layer deeper With fundamental understand. How can we reduce the carbon footprint in particular of our supply chain so we spent the past two years investigating kind of every step of our supply chain starting with actually are are are high volume products like our dresses or suits and pants and doing a complete carbon accounting analysis of that and what we found is for example that there there are certain things that we can do like you know we. We've made pretty much. All air shipping from our supply chain We've actually increased the recycled material content to. We're getting close to nearly over fifty percent for all new products and reducing the virgin material. content has a big impact. Because you don't have to take you know crude oil and refined it and then tracked refining and then turn into polyester for example. You can actually search for something that's already been preliminary And that cuts carbon emissions by half just that alone reduce you going from arizona. Shipping reduces your carbon for shipping by by almost ninety percent. And it's these a couple of these things that really make a big impact but the last elm is is again going back to this idea of circularity is at the end of the life of the garment. How do we use utilize those materials so that we don't have to extract refine them again so the infinity program is our our our technique. I've actually taking our old era zero shirts when customers are ready to retire them We'll take them back and working with our partners. Shinkon textiles in taiwan. Were actually able to free them up. And actually re extreme back into fibers that we can make our dress shirts out of so cool. Does the customer an incentive to do so are they or do they care just that much yeah yeah. They've got a great credit. So that if you actually exchange your you'll get a fifty dollars. Credit towards the purchase of a new era. Drescher very cool. Well is your customer. I guess pressuring you for answers to sustainability for that transparency. To know what you're doing in every capacity but yeah did this come from the consumer. I think it's a little bit of both. You know we when when you're manufacturing design price in your spare time At the country manufacturer at the mills you realize how energy-intensive manufacturing is right like we only see the tip of the iceberg when we when we purchase a product but there are layers and layers of of supply chain that go behind that and i think that was a personal motivator is that we go deep into our supply chain and that was again like a personal motivation for us but at the same time our customers have been been asking us to really To to think through a couple different lenses but at the end of the day it really came to climate action. That was the one that our customers care. The most about And i think you know given the past year. The our community has really rallied around how to recover from this pandemic ripe but the next global challenge for us to tackle is is climate change and There's a window of opportunity right now for for impactful change to change the course of of our emissions in climate change right now so we are really focused on how can we accelerate that through new manufacturing new materials and also be a voice for that so. Mls is a part of climate neutral Construction of brands that have gone through measurement reduction in offsetting techniques for their entire brand entire supply chain so You know we're we're really excited about that as a way for us to continue reducing our footprint would you say there are sacrifices in the name of sustainability that you make whether you're paying more to produce you are like you said shipping by ship. I am sure can't be fast How would you describe that that I guess yeah exchange or that that sacrifice. I think what's helpful the knows like how. How can we make a economically viable. You know a model for sustainable products and to some extent that does require investment in these new factoring techniques so that we can overcome kind of the initial capital costs for machinery etc. You know. I think what gives Seeing that for example over the past decade the cost of solar panels have come down ninety percent there is cheaper to build a new solar plant than is the surname coal power plant and the fact that happens in the course of ten years is is something that means that like that investment was worth it so we we think there are some instances where we're you know we're we're essentially campaign our own carbon tax but we believe that that isn't just a a recurring fee we have to pay. That's an investment right So when when we pay you usually about ten fifteen percent extra for are recycled fibres And it's not. We think sometimes recycled materials. You're getting them for free. But it's actually there's a there's still a bit of refining that needs to happen for for for that to have the same structure integrity for the customer right so Yeah at the end of the day. I think it's our lenses. There are negative. Externalities costs That aren't accounted for in the when you do count for them. It actually works out right And and we actually see that for example with using recycled materials. We pay less than carbon offsets. So great. that's how we've been able to make an economic argument for it for sure. Let's circle back to your store. Your boston store because i know that you received a lot of press for this three d. printing where three d. printing machine. What am i saying anyway. it's printing it's in store it's experiential. Do you guys still believe in that. Is that still. Is that like old news now. You've you've moved on to a better technology more advanced processes. It's been interesting. I think we're we've especially now when we look at like what is what is what's these fears people are looking for. I think there's an element of This idea called the endowment effect which is basically you know when when customers are part of the creation of something they feel inherently connected to it. It's the same feeling we have. When we we sit at a bar and you see a cocktail being made right in front of you you appreciate it a lot more and i think that's kind of the same mentality that we want to bring with. Our prices is show how it's how it's being made. that's debt. That was the impetus for putting machines in our stories. We've shifted towards has been doing a lot more. Rnd development in store so we can develop prototypes if people can see it in person Over the course of the past year. We've been making masks on our machines. So we're we're yeah. We were finding a new use for that but Very much something. Where i think was exciting ways. Utilizing computerized manufacturing or computerized knitting in this case it really proved itself during the pandemic. Because you within ten days of the who declaring this a pandemic we had a a massive could manufacturer at scale that we were running twenty four seven essentially on on these machines for for healthcare workers in and you can only do that with this type of manufacturing techniques to do design development production of something at scale. That quickly is where this proved itself out. And agility i think is whatever's looking for in their supply chain and this fills that void. Yeah let's going to ask about that. Any sort of hurdles in your supply chain. I know you're very open about the factories you work with. It seems that they're all over the world. Did that did this. Force any changes there. Yeah i think you know in the the perils supply chain. Were seeing you the kind of bullet now. That's happening right now. Which is your pre march. We received some slowdowns coming out of the factories in a wad of apparel companies experience. There's a rush to get your production out of out of the factories pre march twenty twenty and and then there is a glut of inventory that happened right and so there's a slowdown production. Factories had to recalibrate and then now is opening backup. We're seeing some slowdowns again. in production so this is probably maybe like the second or third wave of you know it's it's switches from supply demand supply demand But they're they're flattening out which is good the other one that we're seeing some issues that you know we we make Some garments with wearable at try them like mercury jacket for example and the global chip. Shortage is something that's been challenging for kind of development of our products Just as as you know simple things that that you take for granted like led's and transistors are out of stock you know and i think it's important to think of like you know as apparel and and electric's merge more and more of an the years east to supply chains are gonna become more entrenched with each other flip topics really quickly your approach to fundraising. Was this a part of a big piece of the pie early on and Yeah are you guys still looking to raise more money we've We've raised capital over the past couple of years largely from single family offices and private equity and that's been something that's been a allowing us take a longer term horizon. How we build our brands at this point. You know we see some light at the end of the tunnel and our or seeing some some kind of recovery happening. So we're we're we're in a good spot but Yeah i think our number one goal is is really the fuel growth from here on out through our own operations and I think what's been interesting that the this past year has really allowed us to focus on on operational efficiency and and really making sure we have the right products and manufacturing them locations That that can can grow with us over the last couple of years. I don't know if this is new. But i saw this one on one virtual shop along on your side. I saw the offering. They are offering yourself up as to kind of a silent of source. Is that new in the last year and yeah our customers taken to that. We actually have usually a couple of customers. Engaging with this between drafts are designed rector myself. We love hopping on you. Know on video calls with our customers in helping them navigate our site. You know figure out what pieces fit there there were. I think we wanna learn uses as a learning opportunity right we. We've a lot of our new designs of come from this experience where we're seeing. Actually what our customers closets actually look like right. You know seeing how people organiz their closets seeing which shirts are at the front of the rack for example and which things have been sitting in the back for for the past year has been really good insight as well in terms of what. What should we be creating for them. So i think you know for for any designer or any price of It's important to be really grounded in like what's the use case of your product And and as much as we're trying to see what is the world look like in next nine to twelve months The behaviors that people have right now or giving some indications and so yeah these shop lines have been fantastic for that. Are you guys. Did you try any other. i guess. Bells and whistles. Whether it's instagram live like you said a lot of the customers went. Tv have that connection with the brand. That they're supporting. How does your marketing change in this other kind of connection opportunities. We we've done a lot of Live live chat live video. Chat personally high high-volume periods for example our whole teams available for that when we're for black friday for example We focus a lot a recently on a lot of what we call our soul initiatives. These are Through the lens of happy you science to improve people's daily lives mission of our company That's included giving away over a quarter million dollars worth of product in because starter kits which are outfits help people get back into the workforce You know it's been a challenging. You're in terms of the economy so are closer designed to help people during the workday And so we were really excited about the starter kits program on that went out. We also created actually A series of of of science education kiss all about clothing and fabric science with a group here in boston called. But gca and they're called are sold 'em labs ministry labs and it's all about learning how to house die work free how to stretch fabrics actually work at a fiber level and helping students who haven't had access to their science labs over the past year dent access to science education at home with this box rise at their house. And we've been done aimed at to boston. Public schools in particularly in areas where students haven't had access to a design. Education So yeah it's those are those are the ways we've been trying to engage socially And i know it's not you know through social media but it's really about like that's that's where we feel like we're south. South is is sharing our love for science and we hope it's contagious. It's so i love the idea of the starter kit and that was more like folks could apply to to have access were job. that's great. how many did you guys send out over thousand over awesome. Well tell me guest looking back at the year. I think at the start of twenty twenty. It was kind of like growth mode and you were gogo. How would you describe. Guess when do you expect the curve to return to a normal state. yeah. I think We we've been. We saw alive our growth in in pre-20 field by store growth for example and suits and treasures. Kind of like you know that being our base for our product line. There's this idea and in evolution called punctuated equilibrium in space late. You know things grow. Stay rate this a sudden to the environment and then it reaches a new equilibrium. And that's kind of how we see things you know. The past year is certainly. It's changed. what people are expecting out of their their clothes particularly their clothes while they're working and while there is a moment while we might not necessarily have had the joggers that everyone was looking for at that moment. We we think that we actually have. The price of people are looking for for the next decade as they return back to the to their place of work that can be at home. That can be the office. That could be somewhere in between right. And that's what we've really tried to focus on this. This recovery is. It's actually we're seeing some some rebound right now which is largely people getting out of out of the house. That's what we're seeing right now. Allow travel driven a purchases. Which is yup Going prefer scientist to see family to to go to leisure locations right and come this fall. This is generally when we're hearing from her customers that they are returning back to the office in in some form so we we anticipated happening in two waves wants happening right now and we anticipate another one in another like three four months. Yeah yes you are. You're going to await your moment. It's just amazing. What would you say is what is selling now is working to acquire customers now. A lot of it's kind of focused on. How can i have comfort but in something that looks presentable because i think the last year has really been about optimize comfort at all cost raising. Any sweatpants will do if we. Interestingly we saw our short sales go up three x last year as an indication that a lot of people would probably wearing shorts on zoom calls right and and it's not saying that people can't be we're going to go back to the wearing shorts a lot more right But whatever it is that people have optimized for comfort. But when you're in a social environment when you're either seeing friends you're seeing family or your office up environment you're probably you care more about being presentable right and i think that's it's when there's a tension there between you know comfort in in sharp aesthetic. That's our opportunity so We're we're we're excited about it. Are you guys going back to the office. Yeah you know it's interesting we've We've adopted a model who ask Scrum which is the sprint methodology. Where every other week we we had no meetings and we just work work on these as synchronous projects and it's how tech companies work in software development But it's something that we've found has really helped create some punctuation during our our our work time but also break away from the zoo monotony hiding else with that but then the other weeks of what we call operate week so we actually have our meetings in in in those weeks and it's been fantastic because i think You know it allows people to get their deep work done But at the same time you know the other weeks These are the ones we intend to be in office in person So we're actually planning to actually go every other week in office and then the other we can be at work wherever you need to work but but kind of figuring that right balance you know. I think it would be the wrong move to say a word and go back to exactly how things were before We we we should have learned in adapted to this this new environment and that's where of scrum agile team. Methodology has been really really helpful on my gosh. I'm like taking mental notes of this. No zoom week. One billion brilliant of what would you say. Where are you going to land at the end of. Twenty twenty one. What do you expect. And what are you planning for the rest of the year if you had a kind of summit up yeah i think what. We're really focused on is is not just recovering to where were but Being a leader in this new category of work leisure. We've we've set the foundation for Both in terms of customer awareness rent comfort And sharpness and. That's what we're really focused on for. The rest of the year is is get people ready for the next. You know the rest of the decade and get ready for for the closer they need for this new working style. The models on your side can be wearing a button down and some sweatshirts we. We have made some pro types of stuff that like we just loved. You know to wear around the past year and it's been good you know. I think we wanted to test the array of stuff that the people are wearing right now but Yeah we were said to kind of lead the charge here nine on this was so fun. Thanks so much for being here. Also this episode. Our theme music is by otis mcdonald. Give us a rating on apple podcasts. Or wherever you're listening to the glossy podcast see you next week.

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Mark Twain's complicated relationship with the typewriter

Retropod

05:22 min | 2 years ago

Mark Twain's complicated relationship with the typewriter

"I love and hate the protagonist is mark twain the object of his desire and then resentment hey history lovers I'm Mike Rosen with retro pod show about the past rediscovered this is a story about whose corresponding letter was magically stamped to paper this new technology did not emerge with the speed ah without the typewriter in his life my morals began to improve it's worth noting here that Twain was a bit of a fibber what infrequent punctuation Twain wrote the machine has several virtues I believe it will print faster than I can write one may Lee Twain recognized its utility as a writing tool almost immediately in a letter typed to his brother that contained some was by then on his way to becoming the world's most famous writer in humorous Huck Finn Tom Sawyer at the same time L. D. typewriter like the ones we no longer use today was stymied early on when the only key could get to work was W at least according to salesman twain and a friend were given a demonstration twain later recalled the salesman explained to us showed full of caprices full of defects devilish ones Twain gave his machine to his Rider Pal William Dean House Twain said Tour's block and unfortunately performed with about the same delicacy Christopher Leith scholes who was ultimately the first American and we timed her by the watch she actually did the fifty seven sixty seconds we were partly convinced but said it probably couldn't happen again even when telling stories intended to be true anyway Twain said House sent the machine back to him after just six months it did we time the girl over and over again with the same result always she won out the tools of writing were undergoing a profound transformation from fountain pens with their leaking and smudging inc the pleasant sound of tapping a key back in his chair and work it it piles an awful stack of words on one page it don't must things or scatter inc lots around found that was degrading my character twain leader wrote via dictation in his autobiography instead of virtues he found the machine to be the tweet according to an IBM history of the typewriter one of the first American attempts at producing such machine looked very much like a book of course it saves paper but Twain fell out of love with me after a year or two I examples of its work and set it could do fifty seven words a minute a statement which we frankly confessed we did not believe so he put his type girl to work even away twice after that point said but it wouldn't stay twain tried to figure out who to unloaded on next he settled as Twain told the coachman eventually traded it to heretic but by eighteen seventy one when twain laid eyes on Remington in a Boston store the machines were somewhat reliable twain asked for a price one hundred and twenty five dollars he was told it's like twenty five hundred bucks today he bought it on the spot twain with ultimately come back to the typewriter he's eighteen eighty three book life on the Mississippi was the first literary work to be completed on the sheen according to scholars still twain thoughts about typewriters remained some of his most quoted lines especially a letter he appeared mkx train coachman who said was very grateful because he did not know the animal and I was trying to make him wiser and better twain wrote I don't want people to know I own this curiosity breeding little joker we sent Remington asking the company to cease and desist from using his name has an endorsement please do not use my name in any way for more forgotten stories from history visit Washington Post Dot com slash retro pot. I'm Mike Rosenwasser thanks for listening and special thanks to endlessly for making this podcast so successful it's the typewriter Twain I laid eyes on a newfangled typing machine as he called it sometime in the early eighteen seventies he.

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Mark Twain's complicated relationship with the typewriter

Retropod

05:40 min | 3 years ago

Mark Twain's complicated relationship with the typewriter

"The retro pod podcast is sponsored by United concordia at concordia is proud to welcome newly eligible military retirees into the two thousand nineteen fed VIP program. We're unique because United concordia has military retirees who can help you throughout the fed VIP enrollment process. United concordia dental our mission, healthy mouths. Hey history lovers. A Mike Rosen mauled with retro pod show about the past rediscovered. This is a story about love and hate the protagonist is Mark Twain the object of his desire, and then resentment it's the typewriter. Twain, I laid eyes on a new fangled typing machine as she called it sometime in the early eighteen seventies. He was by then on his weights becoming the world's most famous writer in humorous Huck Finn. Tom sawyer? At the same time. The tools of writing were undergoing a profound transformation from fountain pens with their leaking and smudging Inc. To the pleasant sound of tapping a key whose corresponding letter was magically stamped to paper. This new technology did not emerge with the speed of a tweet, according to an IBM history of the typewriter one of the first American attempts at producing such machine looked very much like a butcher's block. And unfortunately, performed with about the same delicacy. Christopher Latham Scholes who was ultimately the first American to build typewriter like the ones we no longer use today was stymied early on. When the only key. He could get to work was w. But by eighteen seventy one when twain laid eyes on Remington in a Boston store the machines were somewhat reliable at least, according to salesman twain, and a friend were given a demonstration twain later recalled the salesman explained it to us showed us examples of its work and set it could do fifty seven words a minute. A statement, which we frankly confessed we did not believe so he put his type girl to work, and we timed her by the watch. She actually did the fifty seven sixty seconds. We were partly convinced. But said it probably couldn't happen again. But it did we time the girl over and over again with the same result. Always she won out. Twain asked for a price one hundred twenty five dollars. He was told that's like twenty five hundred bucks today. He bought it on the spot. Twain recognized its utility as a writing tool almost immediately in a letter he typed to his brother that contained somewhat. Infrequent punctuation twain wrote the machine has several virtues I believe it will print faster than I can write one may lean back in his chair and work. It it piles an awful stack of words on one page. It don't must things or scatter Inc. Lots around. Of course, it saves paper. But twain fell out of love rather swiftly after a year or two I found that it was degrading. My character twain leader wrote via dictation in his autobiography instead of virtues. He found the machine to be full of caprices full of defects devilish ones twain, gave his machine to his writer pal. William dean house twain said that without the typewriter in his life. My morals began to improve it's worth noting here that twain was a bit of a fibber even when telling stories intended to be true anyway, twain, said house sent the machine back to him after just six months, I gave it away twice after that twin said, but it wouldn't stay twain tried to figure out who to unloaded on nets. He settled on a train Coachman who twin said. It was very grateful because he did not know the animal and fought I was trying to make him wiser. And better as twain told it the Coachman eventually traded it to a heretic. Twain with alternately come back to the typewriter. He's eighteen eighty three book life on the Mississippi was the first literary work to be completed on the machine, according to scholars still twain thoughts about typewriters remain some of his most quoted lines, especially a letter he apparently sent Remington asking the company to cease and desist from using. His name has an endorsement please do not use my name in any way twain wrote. I don't want people to know I own this curiosity. Breeding little joker. A Mike Rosen walled. Thanks for listening and special. Thanks to end Lee for making this podcast so successful for more forgotten stories from history. Visit Washington Post dot com slash retro pot.

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The I-70 Strangler

Murder Minute

22:59 min | 1 year ago

The I-70 Strangler

"Look let's go ahead and when people say that God is back God bread it is back. We're taking questions about my upcoming album. I'm a musician now. Please subscribe to call Chelsea Peretti. The podcast you can call and now I've got to get back to playing piano Welcome to murder minutes today. You'll hear the story of the I seventy strangler but I your true crime headlines a twenty seven year old New Zealand man has been found guilty of the murder murder of grace. Milan a British woman. Who is visiting the country as part of a year long trip around the World Milan and the man whose identity is protected by court order met on the dating App Tinder and spent the night of December first the night before her twenty? Second Birthday visiting bars around Auckland together before before. Going to the man's hotel room where he alleges that her death was the result of consensual. Rough sex gone wrong after her death her killer posed posed her body for lewd. Photographs watched pornography and searched the Internet for the location where he would eventually bury her body the next day he left beyonce dead bodies stuffed in a suitcase in his hotel room as he went on tinder date with different woman he then took me lawns body to a nature preserve twelve of miles. Outside of Auckland where it would be found nine days later during the murder trial the defense offered up salacious details about the victims sex sex life which garnered international headlines Victims Rights advocates expressed their outrage at the way that Miss Milan was portrayed during the trial Gal with one calling it quote the ultimate victim blaming the identity of Grace Milan's murderer cannot be disclosed due to a court suppression order that bans media from naming picturing him. The purpose of this law is to protect people not yet proven guilty but also to have a fair are trial by ensuring the jury is not prejudiced by media coverage but the judge in this case has ordered that the convicted killers identity will remain suppressed indefinitely indefinitely. A Boston store. Security Guard has been indicted on charges of assault and battery on a child under the age fourteen and civil rights violations after a June incident involving an eleven year old girl who was suspected of shoplifting. Thirty six year old Mohammad Khan who stands six feet one inch tall and weighs two hundred and twenty five pounds. According to authorities allegedly grabbed the girl and pulled her back into the store as she attempted to leave he then threw her to the ground punched in the face while straddling her and attacked her again. After Boston police separated needed them. The incident was recorded by eye witnesses and shared to facebook. Khan who was at the time of the incident under explicit orders not not to touch any customer including suspected shoplifters is believed to have been reprimanded on four previous occasions for using excessive force and violating protocol protocol his employer securities security services. USA has also been named in the indictment. The girl roll admitted to stealing merchandise valued at approximately one hundred and seventy five dollars from the store because of her age she is too young to be charged with shoplifting. Uh Con is scheduled to be arraigned December seventeenth in Suffolk Superior Court in Orange County. California murder trial is underway for the murder of a twenty two year old engineering students. who was killed at a bar and the goon any gal more than four years ago? The September two thousand fifteen murder occurred as a result of a fight over a game of pool at Laguna Niguel Bar thirty eight year. Old Elizabeth Thornburgh got into an altercation with victim twenty two year old Cheyenne misery hurling racial slurs at the man and spitting on him repeatedly Thornburgh then boyfriend forty year old. Craig Matthews Timbre Punched Mazari and stabbed him in the chest and shoulder. He collapsed in the a bar and was transported to a local hospital. Where he was pronounced? Dead Tamper was charged with murder and his trial has faced. Numerous delays as his attorneys argued misconduct by Orange County deputies including allegations that they've provided heroin to a confidential informant to help find timbre and they questioned him while he was high drugs and Incoherent Timbre unknown white supremacist. Gang member was free on parole at the time if the murderer having pled guilty to voluntary manslaughter and other related charges for the two thousand and four beating death of a twenty six year old man in Huntington beach which for which he received a thirteen year sentence. This time around. Tabora faces seventy six years to life in prison if he's convicted. Those were your true crime. Headlines next the story of the I seventy strangler but first a quick break nick. Welcome back to murder minutes today. The story of the I seventy strangler when Roger Alan good that was born in Indiana in July of nineteen sixty homosexual activity was against the law in the state. You go to prison for to to fourteen years if you are caught say making out with someone of your same sex. It wasn't until nineteen ninety ninety four the year Roger was murdered at age thirty four that the American Medical Association declared its opposition to Treatments designed to cure gayness this growing up gay in small town. Indiana back then couldn't have been easy for Roger but he had loved ones who accepted him for who he was no matter who he loved he met his longtime partner Rick His teens and remained close to his mother Katherine who he visited the Hot July Day that would end in his murder after leaving her home. Rogers stopped at a gay bar. He planned plan to return to her home afterward. But never showed up concerned Catherine called Rick. He hadn't seen or heard from Roger either in a desperate flurry. Rick searched bars and other places he knew Roger Frequented and reached out to people who knew him but no one had seen or heard from his boyfriend which was so unusual. When Rogers still hadn't turned up the following day Katherine filed a missing person? Report it according to Indiana law though police can't take action on such a report until they meet certain criteria such as obvious abduction by a stranger. Your mental impairment inherently dangerous circumstances or having been missing for at least thirty days. Roger didn't meet any of those except the dangerous bit but there was no evidence of that as of yet so Catherine Rick and others who cared about Roger would simply you have to wait their hopes dwindling as time passed. That wasn't okay with Catherine. No way which. She waits several weeks for help finding her son. So she hired a private investigator who specialized in Missing Persons Virgil van De graff. A few days after after he heard from Catherine Vander received another eerily similar phone call a woman called him seeking help finding her son. Twenty eight ear old Alan Wayne Broussard. Who like Roger was gay and at a gay bar the last time anyone saw him he and Roger even shared a similar height and weight back? Then there were no cellphones to track and credit and debit cards weren't as common as they are today. So neither man had one onto trace vander griff and his team printed up flyers about the two missing men and canvassed the area speaking to customers at the bars where they were last last seen as word spread along with fear tips poured in the last time anyone reportedly saw Roger He. He was getting into a light blue car with Ohio license plates near the bar he had left. No more leads came about for several weeks. which were no doubt painstaking? Taking for loved ones of Roger Allen then founder Gra received a phone call that would add life of death urgency to his investigation. Publishers of gay magazines reached out to him. Alerting him to other missing game man in the Indianapolis area. This news gave the detective a gut feeling. He couldn't deny this wasn't just a missing person case but that of a serial killer one who seemed to know how to cover his tracks ax and lure in marginalized people who wouldn't be diligently searched for. But he got that wrong when it came to his latest victims. Roger and Allen's loved ones refused to give up once the needed thirty days had passed the Indianapolis Police Department including Lieutenant. Tom Green took the case on working closely with Dandruff. They were able to find several similar cases from the previous two years for a total of eight missing men. Dan Three of the men had had relationships with the same man. Who became there? I suspect but they searched the man's home and found nothing nothing else that seems suspicious. He was quickly ruled out as a suspect what happened next was another game changer. In the case a man named Mark Goodyear told investigators he had had a bizarre and terrifying experience with a man he believed to be the guy they were searching for after after meeting the man at a gay bar. Mark went with him to a large house a bit north of the city. The House had a long driveway. A sign that read farm and a pool which seemed pretty normal except for the fact that many mannequins were placed around it. The two had a few more drinks than took a dip in the pool. That's when the man suggested auto erotic fixation a very risky practice of cutting off your air supply to make orgasms has more intense. Something mark had never tried once. The man looped hose around marks neck. He sensed that he had no plan of easing up. Was He the killer. Police have been searching for fearing for his life. He faked passing out. The man seem stunned when mark opened his eyes before thankfully making it away from the House alive the following week the man reached out to mark by phone. Investigators tracked the call to a payphone and convinced mark to arrange to meet the man at a particular location that they would stake out but the man must of cotton because he never showed in his statement to the police. Mark described. The man's Car as light blue with Ohio plates now now the team new they had to look into the Ohio connection and soon realized there was much much more to this case. Police officer David Lindelof and laugh spoke of several unsolved cases in Ohio that seems similar to the spree in Indiana. They were murder cases dating back to the nineteen eighties. His team called them. The I seventy murders because numerous bodies were found dumped in a ditch off of interstate. Seventy the cause of death. In at least four of the cases strangulation convinced the case had crossed State Lines Indiana and Ohio investigators contacted contacted the FBI who sent out specialist to formulate a profile for the killer which included these characteristics. That seemed likely he was probably in his mid forties. He may have started killing in his late twenties or early thirties. And he was likely married. Frustrated about his gayness or bisexuality following up what mark the survivor turn to witness had said about the large home. Indiana investigators were able to find the home that fit the description perfectly. Situated in a wealthy conservative area called Hamilton County. A bit north of Indianapolis. It was called Fox hollow farm said on eighteen acres of land and had a long driveway and a sign that read farm. It belonged to Herbert. Sort bouwmeester up standing business owner and family man but the Hamilton County police thought the story seemed to outrageous. And that the evidence this was too sparse to justify a search warrant so investigators on the case couldn't search then. Mark helps them even more while he was at a local okay bar. He's spotted the suspect. That may seem unlikely but remember. This was a small town area not especially known for plentiful gay bars mark state hidden than ask a friend of his to follow the guy he did and was able to get a license. Plate number police traced the plate to the owner of the light blue vehicle. Herbert Bow Meister the businessman and family guy who owned the House. They hadn't been able to search search remarkably Hamilton County. Police still wouldn't pursue him. These still felt evidence was lacking but others others have speculated that they just couldn't fathom that a successful upstanding citizen a husband and father and their rich area could even be suspected of such a thing. Being a common photo of Bauermeister shows a clean cut man wearing a suit and tie he has a neutral maybe warm expression he she looks like someone who might sell you insurance or car. Investigators outside of Hamilton County continued searching for hard evidence and dug into bow meisters past fast. Yes he had a successful business. A chain of stores called save a lot. He was married to a woman named Julie with whom he had the three kids but underneath all of that they found some peculiar history. Meister seemed to have a fairly normal childhood until adolescence adolescence when he started obsessing over grotesque things and lost his moral compass seeming unable to determine rights from wrong. Rumor had it that he wants placed a dead crow. He found on his teacher's desk. He also reportedly peed on her desk and at a certain point placed a slice of cake in drawer just so he could monitor its decay in his mid twenties. He started working for the bureau of motor vehicles. He was fired after urinating on a letter addressed to the governor even though Investigators Indiana and Ohio confident bow meister was as their guy. Months went by with no new evidence and without search warrants from Hamilton County. They felt a bit stock then. They learned that bow meister and his wife. Julie were separating. She had moved out so they approached her letting her know that they believed her husband. It might be connected somehow to the spree of murders of gay men. Julie didn't feel comfortable talking with them. Even though inexperienced came to her mind immediately when they said the word homicide so she told her attorney. What happened instead? She said that a few months earlier her son had been playing outside Hyde and came upon a skull when Julie mentioned it to her husband he claimed it was from his father's medical practice and they left it at that as their separation and then divorce proceedings grew messier. Though bow meister attempted to get custody of their children. This prompted Julie to want to talk to the police. She feared that he would take and keep their kids putting their welfare in jeopardy so she gave investigators permission mission to search their property that search revealed many many more bones in total the located fragments from at least I eleven people since no more skulls were found though the bodies couldn't be identified. Julia also shared that when she took the kids to the lake for vacations her husband stayed home using his need to work as an excuse comparing her calendar Tate's of missing men. Police confirmed that bow meister had been home alone every time. One of the missing game vanished. She also confirmed that that he had done business in Ohio and frequented I seventy in the early eighties even with these findings and after learning that Bow Meister had had requested a funds. Transfer to a location Michigan. Very close to the Canadian border assign he was probably planning to flee. Hamilton County refused to arrest him claiming again that they lacked evidence that he had actually killed anybody only later. Would they admit to errors of judgment on their part another lapse involved bow meisters light blue car. No one had forensically analysed it at that point when it finally was tested investigators. Investigators found that the interior of the trunk had been completely removed. The only spot of blood they located too small for testing by this time it had been three years since Roger and Alan had gone missing the killer too had been missing for a week when investigators finally had the chance to fully search his property. Pretty one day later on July. Fourth Nineteen ninety-six Campers discovered bow meisters body on the ground by a car in Ontario Ontario. He had died from a self imposed gunshot to the head just before shortly after he made it into Canada. A police officer had found him asleep on the side of the road and entered his information into the system. He must have known he was about to get caught and to him. That seemed worse than anything even death. A lengthy suicide note was found in the car he'd been driving raising raising. Investigators hopes maybe they would get a confession and more information posthumously but no such luck in the note the killer only mentioned mentioned troubles with his work and his marriage. Numerous people have speculated about Obama's childhood possible motivations for his crimes during his adolescence when he began acting out in those bizarre ways. His parents brought him in for medical testing where he was diagnosed with schizophrenia and multiple personality disorder which is now known as dissociate identity disorder or D I D. One hallmark of schizophrenia is a loss of touch with reality Andy. ID is usually brought on by trauma as a way to escape troubling memories personality. Basically basically splits into at least two both conditions are treatable more so today than back then typically through medication and therapy but it appears bow meister. I stor didn't receive much of any treatment. It's also a lot more common for people with schizophrenia to be victimized by violence than to be perpetrators themselves house. A study published in schizophrenia. Bulletin showed people with the disorder or fourteen times more likely to be victimized than to be arrested for violence even so a lack of mental health care might have been one factor of many in this killers makeup feeling feeling ashamed of his sexual orientation was probably another. No matter the reason many lives would have been saved. Had he been caught early on in all almost five thousand bones were found connection to the case. No one really knows how many men he murdered. Modern modern forensic testing has helped identify some of the bodies based on bone particles that they found one of those bodies belonged to Roger. Alan good lit the thirty two year. Old Man who was loved until the very end in the documentary her bouwmeester secret life of a serial killer rick. His partner of seventeen years said it's like part of my heart is gone because he was my love. My friend. My family Roger's mother Catherine said she'd been suicidal at times because of the deep heartache from losing her son that she can only manage at times by attempting to push it. All the way attribute on a memorial site for Roger Features a note with a signature reading mark. Goodyear the name of the survivor. Who helped put investigators on the right track? It reads I think of you daily. I've been back to Fox Hollow Farm in two thousand sixteen and in two thousand seventeen searching for answers mostly finding peace in your memory. I want you to know that I said your name often to HP. I insisted that he remember you. This has been murder minute for true crime anytime. Download the murder minute APP or follow us on Instagram at murder minute for for exclusive content and early access find the show on Himalayas.

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#45  Tim Keane On Golden Angels Investors Funding Philosophy

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#45 Tim Keane On Golden Angels Investors Funding Philosophy

"Welcome to ethical alpha podcast series, your source for actionable insights into making money and food. I'm Tara Johnson, the tears weighty, and we're here to talk to a wide range of stakeholders about what it really takes to grow financially, viable food business. Well, hey, thanks for joining us today. Oh, you're welcome pled beer, and you're you're calling in from warmer climates ear. Well, yes, I'm down in Phoenix for the week. But it's not that much warmer. It's forty four degrees. Isn't that crazy? Why don't you? When we start by having you just introduce yourself to our audience. Yeah. So I'm Tim Kaine. I'm the founder and director of golden angels investors in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Yeah. So anyway, I met you when I did was raising money for tears way. And that was one would've that of ban or is probably two thousand eight something like that. So you've been. Yeah. So you've been doing this for a while. Two thousand and two. Wow. So. Did you did you have your own business that you sold in that? How you got? The brief answer is I left General Electric in nineteen eighty four good with a couple of guys in what became a data analytics company that turned into a thing called retail target marketing system and in nineteen ninety nine we sold that for about twenty five billion dollars. And and I I I don't know what I was going to do. Done all this data analytic stuff and got asked to teach in an MBA program, and one thing led to another and all of a sudden, I was the entrepreneur in residence in the head of the colour center at Marquette and. And while doing that we thought we might start an angel group as an idea to help students with their businesses. We did help one faculty member with the business quite successful. We believe but we still own preventive pharmaceutical. But we got bigger and bigger and bigger and as I stopped teaching and. Did other things including this. We're now a hundred and ten investors than about seventy people. We call golden angels advisers, which is a nifty program for folks who are not yet investors, but wanna see how it all work. And when we opened that up we thought we'd get ten or twelve people in short order hit fifty today. I think we have seventy task. Yeah. So it's very nice. It helps people understand what we do. And how we do it. And they might think about wanting to do it and all that right, right? Because I think people are used to I mean, entre preneurs are puzzled enough about about angel investors. But then angel investors perspective ones are puzzled about the whole thing too. So it sounds like you're hitting both sides of the equation. Well, no, one should feel like the lone rancher on that one. I mean, I wish I had a dollar for everything. I know when I started doing this myself nineteen eighty four. It is it's it's it's a subtle and interesting topic. So so now right now Wisconsin golden angels. Your maybe can talk about kind of how you worked. So if you're if you're entre veneer, who's looking for at raising some equity would they approach Wisconsin golden angels. And then what happens, you know? Well, the way our process works is mechanically. We have a website golden angels. Investors dot com. And there's a place to put an application for consideration. So we get a lot of those come back to that. But to we look at every single one of them, and we have committee that meets once a month on a Friday that looks at all the applications that have been either in technology or healthcare, then we respond to everyone who's applications. We have looked at sometimes we invite them to if there's interest to come to the next meeting, and if there's then more interest, we go through a process where we get ready to present to our entire membership at a dinner that we usually hold about four to six times a year and from that dinner people make decisions about investments individual people do not on. And then we then we invest just closed one yesterday. So that that's the kind of defining difference right between and angel group of venture fund right because it's really up to individuals to decide what they want to invest in. What they don't. The it is in some angel groups of not many anymore each individual person makes a separate deal with the company. That that just really really burdensome right cumbersome for everybody, not really practical. So what we do is. Our members say say there are thirty people that say will invest in this company and total of to be a million dollars. Can we sit down with a company and work out the deal and the investors come in as a single group? So to the entrepreneur, the investment is only one investor that you have to more not at thirty. And there aren't thirty pieces of paper. And all well, that's a big advantage for the for the entrepreneurs. Well. It is. I mean angel groups can be slower than venture guys. You know, if the venture capital company decides they like an investment, they'll take it to their committee. And sometimes they could make a decision in a couple of week or maybe even faster we tend to be longer than that. Because of the process also tend to be earlier stay, and in general terms, we don't invest as much money capital company might although that's not always true. Well, yeah. So just for for entrepreneurs out there when they're trying to think about this it it is more likely. Correct me if I'm wrong about this. But more likely that the first equity you're gonna bring in after friends and family is going to be an angel investor and not a fund probably pretty safe. Maybe not on one hundred percent true, pretty safe. And you guys you kind of specialize. If you want to call it that Intech and and biotech medical stuff Saturday here. We do a lot of technology. So we've had been tech event at tech event egg events to have company showcase themselves to our membership. But then we do a lot of healthcare also because a bunch of our g healthcare we have a lot of healthcare 'expertise in the room. We've also done a lot of. Healthcare. It seems to me that that's one of the things about angel investors in general is that they tend to invest in things they know. You know what I mean? Do. Yeah. So that, you know, my our audience to be around food in a, and I think one of the things that we run into in trying to raise equity is especially in a place like Madison, there's a lot of expertise in comfort in investing in say biotech and software companies and maybe apps, right? But this whole food nag thing is pretty alien. Well, yes, I hear what you're saying. And and of course, when we decided that it was a topic. We wanted to learn more about what we did is first of all we went out, and and became investors ourselves in a thing called open prairie egg tech fund because that would give us intellectual leadership we didn't necessarily have. And then we had an egg tech event last October. And we had twelve twelve companies in fifteen and listen to all. Their presentation, and and I think are gonna wind up investing in two or three. But it's because we got an overview of the industry by listening to people and talking to them and beginning understand how all lays out, and then you begin we hope to know what you do know. And what you don't know. So that you can begin to bring people out. Yeah. Says open prairie or they Michigan Saint Louis, Missouri Lewis. That's right. Epping Hamill annoy, I think. A Saint Louis. Well, that's interesting. So you got the technical expertise by by basically becoming part of open prairie at least investor in. The fund is is open prairie of fund. I think. Venture capital fund. Yeah. So somebody like open prairie would participate. I mean, they are they looking for bigger deals, then you this is one of those bigger longer conversations. But venture capitalists tend to want to invest a certain size amount of money in some people say three to ten million. Of course, great big firms. Don't wanna do anything under fifty open prairie. And then they and then they do this at stages someone being the professional venture. And some wanna be the last before the company successfully exits goes public and open prairie tends to be in the second category, Lehnert stage investors, so they're looking for companies that have significant traction remedy. Yeah. So so that trajectory plays out in food. Yeah. Kind of the same. I mean, the what I see happening right now for food. Anyway is the brands are being bought when they're smaller spice strategic buyers, which is kind of interesting, right? You don't have to be up and running and growing as much anymore. Even from the time. I did tears way it's changed. But that's not true for TEK. I think tech is still tracking in a similar way. There are buyers emerging, of course. We've seen you know, a fair amount of and it's yeah. And you know, so so the opportunity for in entrepreneur who wants to have a successful exit. And of course, there are perfectly good reasons. Not to want to do that. Those that do want to do that in. It's it's not too difficult to know or learn what the buyers are looking for. And if if you know that then you have to be able to decide that you can do that or not, and if you can do that, then that becomes the focus of the company, of course, you know, the customer who buys your product. It's always your first concern. Right. And the other important customer is where the the money is gonna come from to run the company until you get to the goal you want to get to. And so making sure that the method, and the, you know, the sales process in or whatever it is that the investors what is in place to to make it more possible for you to. So when just it because you are doing what you're doing at Wisconsin golden angels. I think it would be useful for to hear you talk a bit about like what you look for because how many people how many applications do you get? Well, I hear from. Two or three people a day. I suppose I other to co-directors probably hear from two or three a day. So that's that's a lot. That is a lot. You know, a lot of that is somebody who's got a question or they're doing a non high-tech healthcare sort of startup looking for advice or their later stage, and they're really looking more for private equity or sometime they have good cash flow, and they need a Bank loan. You know, one of our hallmarks I hope off although it's up to to your listeners, but one of our hallmark. I hope is that we talked to everybody. Somebody asked him the question we try to give them a respectful answer. And we never say disadvantage 'cause it's not our position to judge. When we say is this works for us doesn't work for us. We didn't have focused in Syria. Teens really do like this a lot coming onto or whatever. But we probably see three hundred applications the year, and we wind up investing in in new companies probably for five year all although as a group we last year made thirty eight investments. Well, that's follow on rounds of current company, sir. Sure. Well, one of the great things about that. Is here we are in Wisconsin where everybody's always complaining about not having of investor capital here. And the fact that you're doing that much investing as a really good thing. You know, I think it's probably true that there are certainly classifications of startups that will do better in places that are higher. Hot more highly concentrated in there at area of expertise. You're if you're gonna start maybe the terrible example, I only say it illustrate geography. But if you're gonna start a wine company, probably Napa Valley or Saddam valley, or at least northern California is more likely placed and here, right? But but that having been said I can name a couple of pretty good wineries. You know, it's not an ironclad rule. It's just an it's probably easier to find investors who understand what you're talking about. Where there are concentrations of them in one play. Yeah. One of the things that I I've served around here is we tend to have investors around here who understand manufacturing. Maybe it's not food. But it's manufacturing something, and that is less likely to happen on the coasts in my experience just interacting with clients. So it's interesting because I think in a way it's a comparative advantage for us. I think that's right. Clearly, there's lots of that around. Right. And and you know, an intruder nag there tends to be stainless steel somewhere in the business. And it does seem to it. I think it helps the investors feel comfortable in investing in these companies. Yeah. In the west coast. Everybody's like, oh, let somebody else manufacturer. This is all about the brand. And you know, that that can only go so far in food. So I think we do have an advantage here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and this tech thing that you did was a new thing for for our state. That was pretty exciting. Well, yeah, I think I you know, we try to be conveners. Amongst the whole world of conveners. I mean, it's not what one of the things about the angel investment. Business, but the angel investments thing is you have to be collaborative. You have to be willing to sit around the table with everybody. That you you're going to need other investors. You're certainly looking for more expertise. You wanna be wanna make sure when you're talking about something that you are giving good advice instead of bad advice. I mean, the worst thing and entrepreneur can do is get an investor who turns out to be the sales prevention department. Mansion department. I love it. And you know, that has happened has happened. So we try to we, you know, we we try to be a really cooperative. And and I think that helps. I think the other the other part is there's a lot of as I said, I think in some ways angel investors have as many questions about this as the entrepreneurs do, and it's gotta be helpful to the investors to have a group like that. Well, we think so I mean, just from the investors point of view, I well, the entrepreneurs twice both the tax laws and the complexity of the tax laws are substantial. I mean, we looked the other day I'm going to get the name of this wrong. But in Wisconsin in in the federal tax. There's something called qualified small business twelve forty four which exempts you from capital gain in a successful sale up to a certain limit and under certain conditions with certain kind of docket and so forth. In in the state, Wisconsin, there's similar legislation but to qualify in Wisconsin, you need to be on this registry for the year before you sell the company, and if you look at the registry, which is public there are very few companies. I know many people aren't aware of it. And so they sell the company, and they miss out on this tax benefit because they weren't aware that that that rule there. In addition, the the federal legislation, and this is one of those important things about angel. Investing federal legislation allows the investor to take the first million dollars of a law as a ordinary income loss offset, which is really really important. If you think about it what's going on. Here is many of the companies were investing in our either pre revenue or have, you know, tens of thousands of dollars of revenue is awful lot of loss. 'execution ribs. No. I mean, you know, it how it works. And and I can name all the good reasons why companies fail, you know, it. It's almost not never that the bad idea. So one of the things that the federal tax code says we understand how risky that early stage investment is. So if you invest a hundred thousand dollars, and you lose it all. You can deduct that against your income, which is which is an unheard of tax. But I mean. Capital losses figure limited to three thousand dollars a year deduction. So if you lose thirty thousand dollars, it's ten years before you can write it. All right, right. And to that, you know, we keep track of all that all we manage all the all the state of Wisconsin tax credit work for our members the twenty five percent tax credit for angel investing again under there. In the state of Wisconsin. But really what we're about. Is trying to make sure that the entrepreneur is getting either getting good information from us or having us tell him that we just don't know anything, and we're we're we try really really hard to make sure that we're we're we're doing that. Which we think is as important part how this process works. I mean, there's a degree of transparency to what you do. That is probably not done all the time. Right. And I yeah, I also know from, you know, my experience raising money for tears way, I was pitching to individual investors. And that's that's say are juice thing to do. Right for for entrepreneurs because. Yeah, you talking to all people, and so the other benefit that you bring to this whole picture is not having to do that one at one at a time. Well, we hope you get a better answer. I mean, the the second best answer to an entrepreneur is a fast. No. The worst answer is. Let's talk about this for a year. Right. Exactly. And you know, I it's almost impossible. Not to get your hopes up almost impossible. Not to go Pitt somebody enthusiastically while at the same time understanding that the odds of his working aren't very good, right? Right. And the chances to getting kind of stalled and put off are higher than this should be. So, you know, we're very cognizant. I am very cognizant of the fact that entrepreneurs are completely undiversified. You know, when I had when I had my startup I came home one day and said, you know, I've signed enormous personal guarantee for braces little later, we got some money from the Bank guarantee. And and it didn't matter because I didn't have it anyway. But everything I had was in that company every single day. And we understand that entrepreneurs are that way. And that they are. Single-minded and the good ones are very visionary. And we can name a lot of them are on here. And so, you know, they deserve our respect and support. Because if it weren't for them, you know, we certainly wouldn't be doing that. Right. Right. Well, and I think that that, you know, just having said Ben through that process. The other thing that I think you do is give people a bit of feedback because I think one on one pitching, you get kind of like, well, no one dizzy arm. You know, there's sort of a call it wiffle waffly stuff like you're not really getting feedback about what they didn't like about the things. So you leave those those interactions like Tam, I don't even know what I could do to make this better. You know, what I mean to be more successful with somebody else which? Yeah. And then and so then you're kinda like, well, I'm going to kind of keep pitching the whole the same thing the way it was. And maybe maybe there is something that could have been, you know, something about the. Business model that could have been worked on to make it more compelling. What are the vast overstatement, I suppose that I've guilty of making frequently that sales are are really the number one thing now for some companies that are developments that you have to do the development before you can do the sale. But I think that one of the things that we try to get people to do is to get as much potential customer feedback. They possibly can as early as they can in. They're risking less when they start to build something sometimes that's not possible. But oftentimes it, you know, if you remember Agra biosciences, Tom Roeber went on figured out that there was going to be a need for antibiotic free chicken. Well, the on the system producing capacity United States and therefore went out and invented a probiotic that would knew that. And and was really successful because he understood not so much. Well, I'm sure you understood the chemistry. That process. But it was that wasn't where he started where he started was. Here's a need in the market and to hear him tell the story. It was a watched a McDonald's commercial during a football game. And realized that they were. End up bionic, free chicken. There wasn't enough chicken the world fulfill any Sean opportunity. So we start opportunity based on something he knew really really well couldn't even name scientists in the food business and took advantage of it in a way that was a fishing and effective and got him to sales quickly, and and had a very nice exit. What a year ago may. So you know, to the extent that everybody can do that. It's great. Some sometimes, of course, we have a we have a pharmaceutical company that I I don't think we'll ever have a dollar of revenue we own it. Because that's what they do. Yeah. Of course, most of the time you're building for a customer who says if you can do that I'll buy it. Where we're trying to go. Right. Right. So you're looking for things that that if possible there's some sort of proof of the commercial vite are I know that somebody's going to actually buy it put it that way. I mean that that would. The market, right? Why are we doing this? We talked guys from New York who were doing a a good a good way to coat fresh produce to keep it fresher long. And so you you doesn't take very long to figure out if that's important or not. 'cause you begin to understand the supply chain. I see if those apples and bananas on whatever can stay on the shelf for or could spend five days longer between being picked and being sold and they fresher less waste. That's where you start. Okay. I get that. Now, you ask well who else is doing? And really I would like it if somebody else for doing it because it sort of says, there's a market here. But so who else might be doing this? What's the customer say? And what are the what are the issues that the customer might have that? I'm not thinking about like, you know, is this an FDA required clearance. If you're putting something on something somebody's gonna eat. How does that get taken care of our they're going to be artificial food concerns or whatever? So you ask all those questions, and then you assess the risk of execution, and then you begin to move down the line of trying to make a decision. And most of the people by the time they're talking to do. They actually have some sales already look in food. I would think they would maybe not technology related to food, but food they probably would I would see some, but that's not a requirement. Right. Right. Wanna know what people are doing the food coating guys did not have any revenue? They were pretty. They were they were pretty we're. Well, they were pre approval. Right. So all those things that you are ticketed. I mean, I use the word business model for it. I think what one of the things that. I see a lot is a lot of focus about on their product at this time and not really realizing that when they're pitching investors. They really need to be pitching their entire business model. Right. I mean, but I'm fond of saying to people, you know, the guy with the fruit coating. But I'm saying is, hey, look, I I have to assume that what you're telling me going to work after -ssume that the so keep a banana fresh for a week, and that there aren't any health and safety issues, and you've talked about all that. So let's just that aside from it and tell me how much you're going to get paid. I whom in win under what circumstances and water. The what are the cash issues if any, you know, we have a not a food business, but we have a business that makes sensors for school bus, and they have you know, they have to install the boss if the by the the pay somebody go, install if to test it make it work, and if the run it down the road, and it's ninety days before they any money, basically. So you have to time all that out. Right other businesses. I mean, the great insight of Dell computer was that they sell a computer. Right. Right. My big board. I Ben you built it. Then you send it to me agreement. But what ki- cash flow and managing how that's all going to work and explaining the thinking, helpful no, I wouldn't expect somebody to know all of that before they sold anything because nothing changes plan more than contact with reality. But I get that. That's okay. I mean, we're just in on the other thing we're trying to do is you know, we can't see around corners. I mean, we're trying to do is just bring short of diagnostic experience, you know, sort of pattern matching. Well, in cases, where there's a ninety day lag in the cash flow. If you don't have three times sales in the Bank robbery, you know, that kind of stuff I mean, I'm very insightful. But that's kind of how we begin to think of. But it's, but it's on thinking about the financial life of the company more than you know, what I'm saying more than just the product and dad that is. It is a lead by think for a lot of people when they start. There's I in food in particular. We're all in love with our products because we love food, and then you realize oh my God. I have to make money at this. And I have to have a business model and the home. Yeah. No stuff. Get in. In a package in it takes forever for the distributors pay you and all that that stuff. Payroll landlord, one rent, and again, none of that is none of that is hard to early. You know, I always say of entrepreneurship would were hardwood all have to be here. But. Oh, don't say that. But it it's noble. Sometimes it feels like a detail, but it can make or break the whole game. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds like in your process, you do some feedback about those things even if people aren't even if you're not investing. Maybe it's just a little bit. But it's not just like, oh, you know. No not interested today. Right. Well, that's right. I mean, we try very hard not to do that. Yeah. No, that's such a it's such a great resource on what you do is amazing. So all right. So you've done. It sounds like you've got quite a lot of investments out there. Now. Oh, yeah. Probably in on investments where we've been eating the lead investor or the follow on investor. I think we're in eighty five like that. That's fantastic over you know, but seventeen year. We had some nice successes. We've had a couple of not not so nice success. Yeah. But you know, the odds are are would say that that was true. Right. Of course. I mean, we're very early stage, and we're taking a fair amount of risk there. We are. And are your people exiting to like venture funds or the ventures funds coming in and then there's a bigger exit or how does that usually play out for for you? We've had. I would say play we've never had an appeal. I don't know if we ever will. But we've had a sale to a private equity buyer twice sale to a public company wants three three times we've had another private equity sale recently last month before. And then we sold the company to another strategic buyer earlier this year. So it to the big to are, you know, you may have seen this. We sell the company called dynamos to a big insurance. Brokerage firm Atlanta that wanted the capability so that's one message. And then sometime there's a private equity firm that building a bigger company out of a bunch of other than we've sold to them. But those are really they're kind of two big one. We once did a recapitalisation with an owner where the owner paid us. But that was because the company was failing. So do you when when you when it company that is getting ready for transaction? Like that are are you helping them with the sale or is that something that you leave up to the company. Well, somebody's helping them with sale all the time. Sometimes it's not right. The. The dynasty was a we were at the lead investor and had people on their board of directors. Involved in a transaction. Other times it's somebody else. But almost always. There's there's some investor involved in the. And and those so it sounds like you've got a portfolio. I'm just thinking renting the numbers in my head. So you're holding companies for while. It sounds like yeah, we are. I mean, we are in this is just a philosophy comment. We are multi round investors know me if we like the company, and we think that they're great. We continue to invest as all the time. There are other people who are one check investors who say that up front, regardless of what happens next we only doing one investment because our investment strategy is to we'd rather be in forty companies than fifteen doing two or three rounds. Frankly, when you look at the results hits equivocal, it kind of works either way. But we we feel like, you know, we wanna give the entrepreneurs who were aligned with the the the benefit of the doubt. We've also helped companies that we've invested in bigger investors to come in in bigger around. Yeah. See that's another real benefit of working with a group like yours because individual investors that they I don't know it does this doesn't tend to be what they do right there. Just investing, and they maybe they have their own company or whatever. And they don't know any of those people. Those being the bigger funds. That's not what they do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you mentioned something about a board of directors. We should talk about that too. So usually. You know, when when I was raising money with tears way, one of the issues that came up was you know, what kind of board representation would I have. Or would are investors have? And it sounds like you guys tend to like to have a board seat is that fair. Well. So abortive director has the fiduciary responsibility stock hold. Not to the angel investor. Putting the money right except except in so far as that person is stockholder, but we take that pretty seriously. So if one of our people is going to be on a board, they have to attend a board training session that we run once a year because we just you know, I've been to meetings where somebody walks in and says, well, I'm here representing the ABC angel group. No, you're really not. And and the lens through which you're making decisions has to be what's good for the company. Plus, we try to make sure that we're only putting people on boards that have something to add. Add sometimes, that's, you know, financial experience at the company doesn't have or sometimes it's sales experience of time industry experience. And if we don't have somebody that fits those patterns, we won't we won't probably will probably look for somebody else to be on the board. Also might a third party. So it depends. But but that's a pretty important category of activity for a company, and we we. We again, that's probably the main channel through which we think we can be helpful in situations where were leading the invested in for us. That's probably currently twelve company. Yeah. I I mean, I think you could you know, I it is symbol aboard. I kind of tried to look at having investors that had on some kind of Indian industry experience, or or their, you know, a CPA on the own accounting firm that would be good or legal or something one of the things that I I looking back would do differently. Would I didn't have any outside board members on my board? And I think you get some different perspective. If everybody is in in investor on the board. Yeah. Yeah. And you're kind of limited to you know, you're limited the people who are your investors and right? So it. Yeah. It's just one of these things too. I think when people are I looking at raising equity from angel investors. That's they probably didn't even have aboard before. And this is the time than they really need to be thinking about that. And they probably don't. I think they do. I mean, if you're taking it off funny people are going to have. Yeah. Exactly. And I'm come my perspective about this is it's one of those things that you know, you don't you don't even realize part of the reason people aren't investing in you as you data. You don't have a board. Right. So I I encourage people when they're getting to this phase that they just they need to set up a board. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. So is there anything else that you can think of we talked about a lot of stuff, but anything else, you can think of about just equity investing in general or working with investors that you'd like to share with folks? Well, the best investment is sale. Right. The first software company started after General Electric had had a customer who's Boston store. And we started the company around that customer's demand or interest in what we were doing, and they paid us every month. And I'd go down to the Boston store on payables day and sit in the lobby till they gave me the check posited on the way home. That's the best investment. You know, you don't you don't have to paint back to right second best. If you can get it Bank. When that company started to grow and we were eating cash. I borrowed money Mugniyah might and it wasn't until it got to be much bigger, and it really needed some growth capital beyond what the Bank would put in equity investment. So, you know, the first thing is take as little money as. Rationally make sense. But don't take so little that you're gonna die. And then make sure that when you do that you're doing it on. Terms that will make sense for the next round. We see companies that have raised money in ways that you know, we're great when they did it. But no one else will come come here. And then that gets really painful, and in fact, one of the things that I don't think we've actually done seventeen years is say to a company where we like the company like you. But the price you sold the stock for a year ago is too high. So we're only going to buy it if we can cut the price now. We just don't do that. Because it's so painful for the entrepreneur and the guys that invested the before, right, right? You know, we'd had that done to us want. You know, people don't forget. And so we just walk away from of getting in the middle of that. So you have to you know, you have to be careful about that. And I would say that it's not too hard, especially in the mid west to get really really bad advice when you're raising. You get advice says, well, let's do this funky. Let's do this or do that. You know, you often the start up entrepreneurs with a great idea that have spent thousands of dollars what's called a private placement memorandum, which is sort of a stock offering documents and most I don't think we've ever invested in a company that a private place early stage. It just isn't worth the effort. No, my by attorney friends are gonna Yup. But I really think. Do you? Do you guys ever do convertible notes at all or? Sarah. Now, the problem with a convertible note is you don't get any of the tax benefits that go with an invest. Intel it can right and the and the yeah. And and terms that are what you convert get to be a bit controversial Cordoba note and years ago or two pages. I saw one last year that was thirty five now. So it's like negotiating a deal. Right. Right. So why would I do that? Yeah. Takes away. If you're in a situation where the company needs to money, and there's a there's a milestone event, six months out, or well that makes perfect sense to do that. We've done a bunch of them. I'm not impose. Yeah. Early you'd like the clock to start on the tax benefit and you'd like to not have to have you'd like for everybody to be on the same page. Right. So the good reason convertible note is you know, you have a new product launching in the spring and use need six months worth of cash there. But a bad reason is, you know, I'm gonna finance company for three or four years with several million dollars on a convertible note because that way I don't have to figure out what the pricing really ought to be. And that's gotten to be less in favour than it used to be Okay. Well, that's interesting. So what what other kinds of things can entrepreneurs do that make it hard later other than sending share prices too high. Well, I used to get beat up. I can remember I I would go on sales calls with one of our product managers. And of course, I was in love with my. Product do anything. Right. And we'd sit in the meeting, and he's trying to get an order, and the customer would say, well, you know, I buy this. If it were you know, if it were pink, right Lou. And I'd say, okay, we could make. And he kicked me in the shed out car, and it was like could you please not be the sales prevention guys, you know, you don't have to make them authorioty. The guy wanted to bicycle let's deliver what the customer wants. Which is why I think minimally viable product is such an interesting concept that you hear people say which things which is let's sell what works, and what will satisfy the demand we see? And then let's build version two three Of course that concerts capital as well. It's easy to say. It sounds just but it's really hard for entrepreneurs not to want to make the pink one because they know they can make the customer happy. Right. Right. It. It makes me nervous when people call me and they're talking about. Well, we do this thing. And then we're going to do this thing. And then we have four more things we're going to do. And it's like, yeah. Too much right brochure. Yeah. I mean, other other things we had we had somebody who did a it actually worked out grade. But on, you know, Henry from OB crafted, I cra- funds, you know, did that crab funding thing and it ended up working great because he ended up being able to do is second round through Bank debt, and and the sale of distribution rights, but but bringing in all those people he had like, I don't know sixty individual investors. And it's like, I don't know who's going to want to come in next. If you have sixty people before you, you know, what I mean in a real start. I mean, that's to me. That's an example of things that you sounds like a great idea in the beginning. But then it comes back to haunt you later. Well, crowdfunding is still not a very popular Bassett for having to come in afterward. And right. Maybe it'll work itself out over time. I'm not sure, but. But yeah, we we've never done anything that's had crowd funded equity in from. Yeah. It's just a who wants to deal with sixty people are whatever the number is. It's too much. So yeah. Yeah. Well, I anything else. We haven't talked about her. I think we've we've run the gambit here. I think I'm good. Yeah. Well, I appreciate you joining us. I mean, I as I said when I talked you originally I could talk to individual ADL investors away to help people understand what angels do. But then I thought of you because you have been doing all the work you've been doing to sort of, cultivate, the the EKO an ecosystem of angel investors. And you see so much because you your, you know, your perspective is so much broader because of that. So thank you for joining us today. It's been great to talk. Yeah. Take care. Okay. All right. Thanks for listening. You can get more podcasts by subscribing on I tunes or your favorite podcast app. And you can learn more about it while alpha by visiting our website at edible alpha dot org.

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Food For Thought: The Julia Child Episode

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Food For Thought: The Julia Child Episode

"Hi Everyone this is carrie diamond. I know all of you are facing very difficult times right now. Cherry bomb working hard to gather resources and information for our community of small business owners and service workers. Please visit Cherry bomb. Dot Com backslash resources were adding information for each city and state. As we hear of it. We love you and we will continue to fight for you as long as we can. High Bomb Squad. Welcome to food for thought. A Radio Cherry bomb miniseries. I'm Kerry diamond founder of Cherry Bomb magazine. We wanted to know what's on the minds of food Across the country so we went on tour to eat drink and talk with hundreds of you and recorded the whole thing live. Once we finished our tour we realized that three of our talks centered around one very iconic person in the Food World Julia Child. We know Julius pioneering spirit culinary talent and sheer joy in the kitchen inspires everyone in the bomb squad and we wanted to share these stories with you. Thank you to carry gold for supporting our food for thought tour Carey. Gold is the Irish brand known for its award. Winning butter and cheese made with milk from grass fed cows from family farms. All over Ireland will be hearing more about their amazing products later so stay tuned first up. We'll hear from Dianne. Roca a retired schoolteacher an enthusiastic amateur Baker in California. Who happens to have a very special connection to Julia? Yes I taught English in history in Vista California for twenty two years damn near killed me but this young woman here Emily Myers. He came down here with me. Was My student fifteen years ago and I was a big grammar teacher because I went to Catholic school right. So we're doing this grammar exercising. It said Julia Child Comma the French Chef Comma and whatever else to sentence said and so I said to the students this is what two thousand four ish and I said so Julia. You all know who Julia. Child is the seventh grade. I got these blank. Looks let me tell you about Julia. Child told them the whole story about who she was and the French chef and how she was fifty years old when she first started. I was forty when I was became a teacher. And so this that and the other and then I told them the story about how nineteen eighty nine. I was a stay at home. Mom I had my two kids Cayden Matthew who were six and four. No six and two and Julia child came to town to the to Warwick's books to her book signing of the the way to cook her last book that she wrote on her own and I said I have to go see her. I have to meet her. I just have to do this. In the meantime as the stay at home mom was getting bored so I started making English muffins and if local but you know the Panikin isolating the Sh- muffins to the panicking because the guy who used to own the Panikin road motorcycles with my then husband and one day he came over for what they called the Prince of Norton Prints of darkness motorcycle. Ride and Chili Cook Up. You can tell which part I was in that and and I said Hey bob you wanNA try some English Muffins. And Hey say. He had one with my homemade strawberry jam on it. And he's these are great and I said good. Do you want to buy some because I need to do something out of the home and make some money and he said so to gross a week from my little kitchen when I was living by San Diego State. It was hilarious so this is when I was still doing that so I got the babysitter for the baby. Matthew because he was too he would never have known the difference and I took Kate with me now. Kate was six and so she'd been watching with videotapes at that point Julia. Did something called the way to cook. She did a series of videotapes. Kate and I would watch them. Kate's birthday cake. Every year was the classical. Jen was with the whip cream and the strawberries on it and so I took with me because I walked in Julia. I know by the way I made her a dozen English. Muffins packed them up in a box wrote her. A letter. Dear Julia. You are the one who taught me how to cook. My mother thought she did but she didn't. You're the one who really did with your show. Julia Child and company and Julia Child and more company. I've learned everything I've known from. You saw there. She is. She walks in. Cates going. Momma and I know I know she's here so we get in the line in the line and the you know they always have the helpers with them when they're big like that I don't mean in stature I mean you know and so the lady and I said I said here's a spock's English muffins in it. I made them pro. Have this little business so she. It's my turn. She hands the box. Julia is working out. She did this. She took her. She's she. I was looking in her eyes and she was sitting down because she really was too. She's banging on the box. Oh goody goody gumdrops homemade English muffins she's really did say that it was so funny and I said yes and she's and I told her that I was making them. Well I guess profession getting paid for it so I guess that makes it a profession right and she said I'm so she got very serious. I'm so glad you're doing this. We need more cottage industry like this. She said English muffins she said to me. How do you get them to cook so that they're cooked all the way through and not burn on the outside? I'm going Julia. Child is asking me how to do this. And then I remembered her recipe didn't work. This was not her recipe. This was from a jam book called Jam. Shame or something like that and I said Yeah. That is the secret. Isn't it and I told her how I did it. And it was all about rolling it around in a bowl of corn meal and I said like you had taught me on one of your shows about cornmeal being like a ball bearing and she said I never really thought about that and she was unbelievable. I couldn't believe it. So we're in the store and she signs the book and she didn't sign much of anything. Good luck or whatever and then. Kate neier lurking around the store watching her some more and she oh and you should have seen you know how mom's right so this kid of mine is six years old. She's just standing there looking at her and Julia said some things to. I can't remember what it was but it was really cute. So okay fast forward. It's two thousand ten. I'm on what I called my odyssey because I decided being teacher. I need to take some time off during the summer. Actually do something and not stand at the Xerox Machine. Getting Ready for the next school year. Merola grammar packets. Remember those and I took off. I went on this Odyssey. I went up to Portland just to go to Powell's books because I needed more cookbooks. Right to add to that four thousand collection and so I'm coming back. It's twenty in my little. Volkswagen Cabriolet with the top down and Bonnie Raitt blasting. Having a great time end. The car dies on the side on the side of the road. I got I two tires off the road. That was it and I'm talking about on this very near. Oh I was four miles north of point arena which is two hundred and fifty miles north of San Francisco on the one and not the one. Oh one the one the one the ones the one that goes like this and you can only drive twenty five miles an hour thankfully so I've got my two tires off on the side of the road and some guy comes turns around takes his truck and pushes me the rest of the way off the road and I was a little nervous about that. Call whoever the tow truck comes. I'm taking pictures of the tow truck. Taking my car away they take me down to point arena. I was on my way to that. Lighthouse also lighthouses and now. I'm stuck there for a week because I don't know if I can say this. But what does the industry in Humboldt county growing exactly so the town of point arena about five blocks long? The entire town is stoned. Looks like you can see smoke through the whole thing so he kept my car for a week. Never fixed it. Charge me a thousand dollars. Never fixed it he he had it towed to Healdsburg where his brother fixed it for another thousand dollars. That's another story anyway. So I put it up on facebook. The picture of my car being towed and one of my friends called and he said. I love point arena. You have to meet the Jam Lady. I said okay. Well I'll meet the family so I walk a mile down the road because I don't have a car turn right and there's a sign the Jam Lady. Her real name is Lisa Joa committees. She calls herself Jam Lady. She makes jam in point arena. Sends it all over the place? I went inches a full kitchen like that. One all stainless steel really professional. That we start talking Blah Blah Blah. She Says Yeah. I used to work for Barbara Tropic. China Moon Cafe and I said Oh my God I love her. She figured she'd Cook. My dinner sometime before I was like. Oh my God. This is amazing. She says I told her the Julia Child Story. Oh I forgot to tell you part of it. She wrote me a letter. She answered my little note that I had scrawled on a little tiny legal piece of paper. She wrote me a letter. Julia Child wrote Miller. I have evidence and so I read. I wrote back to her. She wrote me again. I still owe a letter. I don't know why I never finished that. So I'm telling this story to Lisa The lady. She says wait right here. Okay what's going on here? I mean this really weird place she disappeared. Disappears upstairs comes down with a box opens the box? She has a dozen flutes. Champagne flutes. Julius ninetieth birthday party she says you need. These gave me two of them. Doesn't that amazing I just went? I'm a total stranger and you she said we're not strangers. She said you have to have these. They have to be yours and size. Okay thank you thank you. We wrapped in very carefully. They got home even through the bumpy. Healdsburg thing and so then on her hundredth birthday. And I'm not sure what I think that was. I don't remember what year it was on her hundredth birthday. I was home from school that day. I think in August I was home legally and I cooked everything just all Julia Child and I called one of my friends. I said come on over. We use the Julia Child flutes. We had a little split of champagne. We toasted her. I put it all up on facebook. It was amazing and now it's so funny. I have those glasses there in my glass cabinet. But they're hidden in the back and my son in law was here in February and he went to reach for that to put for his champagne. I said Oh no look what that says on it. He says Julia Child's ninetieth birthday. I said you don't use those. You don't appreciate that. This is Julia Child. I mean come on so that is my Julia Child Story. I Love Her love her the day that she died. My daughter was about twenty. I think she called me just limit on her own. She called me says mom have really bad news. What does this in an accident? She says Julia died today and it was as if her her grandmother had. My mother had died. You know we were so cried on the phone and you know who's better than Julia Child Right. Well now we have Aina but Julia Child in my heart. Thank you Diane and thank you for bringing me English Muffins. When we were in San Diego next will be traveling to Kansas City to hear from Christina Corvino. The CO owner general manager of Corvino Restaurant Cristina's journey has had its ups and downs. But one person always encouraged her all right. Good evening. I'm Christina Corvino. Welcome I'm the CO owner? Gm of coffee. No Supper club and tasting room in a certified Stanley. And I'm all these things because I failed everything else I tried to do when I was young after school. I'd sit crisscrossing in front of the TV. And had watched Julia Child. I loved her. She looked like someone who invites you to her house. And give you like a big Bouza me hug when you walked in the door into a really good cook too but I never wanted to be a cook. I just really wanted to be Julia Child. She during one show was making potato pancake and while trying to flip it in the Pan fell apart all over the stove top and she said see when I flipped it. I didn't have the courage to do it the way I should have. But you can always pick it up. If you're alone in the kitchen who's GonNa see but the only way you learn to flip things is just flip them. Isn't that a kind and graceful way to address of mistake? I WanNa talk to you about failure today because our intensive need for perfection is driving us into anxiety addiction depression withdrawal. We're not taught how to confront failure. And then how to move past it in a positive manner. I wanted a little company called red dirt in short. It was a retail. Line that collaborated with artisans in developing communities worn out of my humanitarian work in West Africa also in short it was a heartbreaking failure but I kept repeating entrepreneurial cliches in my head never accept failure. Keep grinding you'll succeed but that's not always true. All of us can picture someone who worked their heart out to the best of their ability with a great plan and they just didn't succeed. Maybe it was a bakery that you loved and they just never made money. Maybe it was an actress. That never caught a break. Or maybe it's you and your dream. I refused to accept the failure and stayed on a sinking ship when I should have grabbed a life raft on jumped off. I lost all the investment and pushed it even further losing my own personal life savings and my friendship with my partner. Failure affected my mental health. Because I believe that meant that I was also failure as a human being. I was depressed in that really working on anything and I was so crushed with anxiety that I felt it physically. I shook my fist a garden crowd. Why we have moments in life but like most of life tragedies that question will never have an answer in our lifetime. Why couldn't I accept an appropriate amount of responsibility? Feel my feelings. Note the lessons and move on before so much destruction was done because we are hard wired to avoid failure there's astounding research that indicates that failure hurts. Us twice as much as success makes us happy thus it explains why we as humans will go to great lengths to avoid Lahser failure to the point of even squelching your desire to build and create and lead as a research more about failure. I learned that our brains automatically focus on the negative instead of positive so I kind of wondered about that if it was true case in point one restaurant so of course we have reviews on platforms like yelp and Google. What are we spend the most time discussing the random one-star reviews how about when we meet up for drinks with friends? How often do we over analyze something bad? That happened or maybe even just could happen or GEL. Do what I do when I get dressed in the morning. I kind of make a mental list of what I wish was different. I'M NOT GONNA lie. It's a difficult paradigm shift to change your thoughts and conversations to focus on the good but tomorrow. I'm going to look in the mirror and say to myself. Nice boobs you did. Do you know how who Oprah told us all to keep a gratitude journal because when we train our brain to focus on the positive we feel happier and more fulfiled make a list reminder self of how awesome you are it will nourish your soul to help you move on to your next big thing which you need to do because if we're not growing we're rotting so one day my sort of masochistic husband said let's open a restaurant and I had to dig down real deep to find a spark of courage to pull me into a new adventure in a world. I also knew little about our nurse. My curiosity back an intern at inspired me to learn how to run a restaurant and how to study to become us on the. I've come to understand that it is beautiful that in your failure to achieve something and what you do instead makes you uniquely you. Honor that story because it's your story. Julia Child Finish up her commentary on that broken potato pancakes saying anytime that anything like this happens. You haven't lost anything because you can always turn it into something else. So in this case would put a little bit of cheese on it and we'll pretend this was supposed to be a baked potato dish. You Are Complicated. Evolving adoptable human beings capable of harnessing all of life's simple and complex. Joy is put that curious spirit to work for you. Thank you thank you Christina. We'll be right back with our next piece of wisdom after we hear a word from Kerry gold carry. Gold is delicious all natural butter and cheese made with milk from Irish grass fed cows. Our farming families past their craft and knowledge from generation to generation fifth generation. Goes back over? Two hundred fifty s this traditional approach is the reason for the rich taste of carry gold enjoy delicious new sliced shredded carrot gold cheddar cheese available in mild or savory flavors at a retailer near you find your nearest store if Kerry Goad USA DOT com. Welcome back. Now we're heading to Baltimore Maryland to hear from Dietitian and recipe developer. Jessica Grossman about her moment with Julia. Child did evening. I'm Jessica Grossman or registered dietitian recipe. Developer in culinary instructor am also wife. My husband's sitting right there. A mother a home cook at a paper. Love it just love of paper what it represents in the kitchen. That brings me here tonight. How many of you grew up with a box of recipe cards on your kitchen counter hand written in often grease-stained. I used to shuffle through my mom's box when I was barely tall enough to see over the kitchen counter as an ambitious eight year. Old To inpatient and too lazy to look for a recipe. A nearly burned my house down trying to cook pancakes recipe cards. Were my first entrance. Point into the Food World. But they lack the visuals. That are key for any great recipe while my friends were reading. Sweet Valley High Books. I was reading my Mom's good housekeeping magazines always on the search for visually appealing recipe. That I could make with my ever increasing skills and confidence in the kitchen. I used to watch Julia Child on. Pbs and I often imitated her voice. As I cooked. My sister preferred the sweetest chef on the muppet show. But I knew that Julia Child was the real deal by early adolescent years. I became obsessed with food and cooking. Besides my mom's recipe box and magazine. Clippings. There wasn't a collection of cookbooks in our house. Just a few synagogue. Sisterhood cooked bus all picture. `Less Today. I have a cookbook collection. That constantly inspires excites me back when I was a teenager. My favorite reading material was the Williams sonoma catalog. I'd read every page every product description. I asked my mom to replace her. Trustee revere where copper bottom pots with all clad stainless steel. She still has the revere where I dreamed of having a big kitchen. Someday to fill with all the GIZMOS and gadgets sold on the pages of the catalog the paper those recipe cards good housekeeping magazines and williams-sonoma Catalogs. Where my first teachers? When it came to food and cooking there was no internet. Just an infinite amount of paper full of inspiration. I studied nutrition in college taking a rigorous course load to prepare me for becoming a registered Dietitian. I took lots of science classes psychology nutrition and my all time favorite college course of food lab one time. I had to make eight different pie crust using eight different types of fat. It's no wonder that my first job was a Williams sonoma store you know. I loved those catalogs and they needed seasonal help at my local store. I knew inventory so well already and I even knew the parking lot. I'd learned to drive my mom's car in that parking lot so I balance. My nutrition studies selling all clad pie plates and lemons esters then head back in the nutrition lab where? I'd continue to play with when I moved to Boston to pursue my master's degree. I was hired into the managerial team at the flagship Williams. Sonoma store there. Everything was a little bigger a little better. And they had an amazing chef program which brought chefs like Lydia Shire Joanne Chang. Jody Adams Barbara Lynch among others to the store to demo recipe signed cookbooks and pose for photographs in November nineteen ninety nine just two years after I was initially hired a seasonal employees in my small Cleveland store. I one of the most memorable days of my life. My Boston store was Julia Child. Home store the closest location to her house in Cambridge Mass. By this point she was living full time in Santa Barbara County but she occasionally returned to Boston to teach Jacques Papa and to appear at a yearly in store event on the day of hundreds or maybe thousands of eager customers lined up hours before the ten. Am store opening. They carried their tattered. Mastering the art of French cooking cookbooks to get signed oftentimes hauling tote bags full of Julius cookbooks. These lifelong fans carried cameras. This was well before the days of iphones and social media sharing the services zoo on day we had books piled up to be purchasing autographed customers grabbed whatever they could have signed wooden spoons potholders dish towels anything that was able to get the imprint of Julia's pen. I was assigned to sit at the table with Julia. As you saw the photo to manage the crowd and keep the personal comments brief. She was nearly eighty seven years old by then but still as gregarious as I remembered from her. Pbs shows. Julia was an imposing. Figure over six feet. Tall plus a pile of quaffed hair. She wore a heavy strand of pearls. So classically elegant omos Regal. She sipped tea from a delicate cup between her. Brief interactions with her loyal fans all wanting more than a small piece of attention. They were granted. Her comments were short. Indirect this was not a woman who made small talk on November Seventeenth Nineteen Ninety nine. I met Julia. Child my culinary hero a hero to so many others I think she resonated with so many because she was magnanimous passionate and funny and because she found her calling relatively late in life. How inspirational is that? It's not too late for any of us to find our voice through food. I think the secret is to stay connected to what resonates within for me. It's paper this physical connection to recipes. They're like a map a journal. Ah Gentle Guide to where we've been where we are and where we might go reflecting back nearly twenty years since that Fateful Day and in my twenty years nearly twenty years as a registered Dietitian I ultimately believe. That Julia's message was simple. Cook the Food. You love for those you love surround yourself with good food good wine and good people and you'll always have a good time. She touched my life innumerable ways. There's no comparison for this culinary giant. Julia was the icon of all icons. Thank you Jessica. That's it for today. Show a big thank you to carry gold for supporting our tour and providing us with beautiful butter and cheese at each stop our show as always was produced by just seidman. Thanks for listening everyone. You're the bomb.

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Dart Against Humanity Ep. 63: Winter Is Coming

Dart Against Humanity

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Dart Against Humanity Ep. 63: Winter Is Coming

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This is Dr Adams and this episode. Sixty three DART against humanity. The weather uh his dipped The temperature is dropped to almost freezing levels. Right now would sit thirty eight It was thirty two Couple of nights ago when I went out went to the store had to like Bondo Lob had discolor on one had to get a new hoodie visited mile. Boy Sean For Boston store there was a ten percent chance of snow and I happen to see my first snow of the winter. Two Thousand Nineteen Two thousand twenty was quite hilarious and it just hammered home that it is officially winter and winter is coming now with that being said uh today is also November Fifteenth Two Thousand Nineteen which means twenty five years ago today Method man's to cow was released by Def Jam. Now here's was crazy Method man's album Was the first of the wolves. Solo records to be released was started an epic run of Rizza produced boost albums all classics that first-wave What's even more interesting is His album would have sounded much different. Had the flood will. This is the case for several albums. Had the flood never happened and Rizza studio while this album did extremely well for Def jam sold quick resulted in big hit singles. I believe on mathematics won a grammy for all the biggest single off this album especially the remix There's the joint to he did with Mary. J. Blige all I need the remix the remix video this is the one did really really really blew up the albumin. Like made it go platinum as opposed to just gold doing gold for gold quickly but moreover than his success and all the other stuff to me. This was one of the Landmark quintessential winter albums of the early to mid nineties. I think the quintessential winter album of the nineties of course is Cypress Hill Cypress Hill but. This album is a landmark. Of course being the first album of the the into the solar woo joints but also because this one marked the I release from DEF JAM's month of the main campaign for nineteen ninety-four November fifteenth. They released mathematics as to cal. November twenty second was red. Man's dares dark side there aren't a whole lot of people that remember. Remember the month of the man and that roll out. The DEF jam executed that right in space right now. They just don't when the month of the man happened. Twenty five years ago I was nineteen. I just have to tell you. I couldn't tell you how many people who are still in the space was still right. Women moved on to do other endeavors. There's that actually you know are on somebody's retainer and actually get paid by these sites to write about as music. There are my age who were nineteen when this campaign happened. It can write about it the way I could. I of course haven't because because I've been doing the things and quite frankly the rate did they would be paying me to write about it when I got other shit going on even worth it by. That's couch cushion. Cows couch cushion. Money it is. I'M NOT GONNA lie. Now let's talk about to cal itself off when the album came out in nineteen ninety-four my brother and I would've bought the cassette tape not to see gutsy later. A with cassette tape that changes everything 'cause To cow it was like it was less than forty five minutes. I believe and it was inside. Be So side a was open to cal to cow to cow Then goes the the biscuits. Then bring the pain. All I need the original. Not The version two blew up later. Then what the blood clot metaverse. Chef were very Quan. Am going them going back and forth talking about who. Who set it off for the wool better? Because you know chef chef had to single mom can it all be so simple with all goes face and you know like his verses would once they're like really blew up blew it up thus his argument but methods like your who sparked shit. Oh azide Chinky Chinky Eye Chiba Hawk from New York. Like he saying that my shit method man is what really blew up the clan so so the whole meth vs chef back and forth thing is interesting. I remember being at Morgan State University In nineteen ninety six is winter. Were snowed in because I showed up Morgan state again. January nineteen ninety six and a lot of people were snowed in there was nowhere to go and cats would come to the dorm. Come to the dorm. Classes weren't gonNA start full while because they'll push back so we had nowhere to go and nothing to do but stay in Dole images learn about each other so we would be in the lobby. 'cause nobody really had like everything set up. Few people actually live there before had their cable. And everything setup but for the most part if you didn't have any of the amenities or anything like that you weren't settled into your spot yet union avenue. Your roommate wasn't hadn't come into town yet everybody was ending lobby where they had the big TV for then the big TV whit cable so we were watching all the basketball games all the football games any TV shows like community and one of the things we did. Was We discussed rap. Because what's it's a bunch of Negroes from all over the country GonNa do and rediscussed among many albums this one and doses a big debate raging over what members chef what they were actually saying membership. And that's how I know these things because we're going back and forth like breaking down the bars ars in math. I Jeff that what do actually talking about is it was really interesting. Me then sub crazy again closes out dom the far side so it's Seven songs on the far side six songs on a second side Side be opens up with release. Sure Delph then we got pilo style. I get my thang inaction Mister Sandman stimulation method man remix now. The method man has gone on record as saying he believed his album was the weakest of the first wave of Wu Tang class on Tang album wooten clan of releases even though it's a classic which I guess he's right but but this album is a quintessential winter album. I listen to joints like Like earls Doris this you know and is like other stuff even though I will say that my least favorite early release is the last joining just put out. Does like my least favorite favorite earl project ever but like when you if it's cold weather if it's raining out if it's knowing this album Tom puts you in the perfect mindset and I think some people kind of complain because they wanted some more upbeat stuff they wanted more but it was really brooding it was like really like the vibe of it was dark and sinister and that was lent a lot to the fact that some original tracks that were all created. Couldn't be used so you know. They had to kind of rework the album but it worked out and in this album. Aesthetically from top to bottom is fire even though like the big singles or what blew it up as a body media work. I love this album from top to bottom. I don't think that there's a thing on here just like Yo. This is the joint like blows everything else out the water. Bring the pain works. With what the blood clot would a sub crazy a stimulation. I get my thing in action. Mr Salmon is the Posse track Sub Crazy I think is one of the most underrated joints the method man. remix is dope. That later released. You're dealt remix kind of blew up in the UK is another thing Kinda like gave this album a whole nother life but but when you factor in the month of the man and how the next week Redman drops another dark album on top of that and then when it gets it didn't when we pass Thanksgiving and then when it starts snowing get to Christmas and then we're past like the first of the year the New Year's New Year's eve New Year's Day and then we get in a February DASS win this year really gets popping however and a life of this album. What really blew up again mentioned is all I need the marriage a blinds remix which comes out after the fall happens so now we're getting into the spring and gives this album poll new life and I feel like with the success of that song that kind of Obscured that feeling about this album. Also another factor method man's appeal now. Of course when like the Wolf I came out. You have the single which I posted on on one of the original not the original the og of the like one got this sold ten thousand copies before allowed released. But I have like one on a original joints that came out may nineteen ninety-three released by loud. Did I put on instagram along with the the Promo Homo. VHS Tape that loud loud RCA put out on method. Man's appeal which I didn't I was completely oblivious to was. Did women thought he was high. I catch that at all. I have no fucking clue. Oh so when method man started like blowing up. You know what I'm saying. I songs really dope. It's nice did like girls. Girls appreciate appreciate that again. I mean highschool. Nice to girls like Katrina to this like they really liked the song dumb ass. I don't catch it. They think he didn't. They didn't think he'd find until what happens. Is I think there's a picture of a magazine and these girls starts squealing and I'm like what the fuck is going on on like an squealing what he's squealing like. Who's in this magazine? Saint you lay calendar and I look over and this method man. I'm like why does Dave they think method method man is really and I just think it's a isolated incident. I'm like all these is girl. Just really think method as cute fast forward to this an episode of Rap City and his big lays and she's in-depth jams alm a adept jams offices and she's talking to and Def Jam had the most beautiful women working there. I should've should've been a red flag understood something about Russell. Missile Simmons. I just figured it Russell. Simmons recognized that women you know were the right people to hire because they seem to have their ear into the street and they seem to understand what moved and who was going to sell and who had you know appeal so if you WanNa win I mean anybody knew this. If you growing up anybody knew this if the girls liked it if they responded to it that's where you went if they love the heavy d and the boys you better fuck heavy and the boys daylight guy you you better fuck with guy. They like enjoy to see you. fucking with Jodie They have to solve comes on and makes them WANNA dance. That's what we're GONNA do. That's just common common sense for anybody who grew up in industry or the business so you hire these women because they know they know what's going on at the club they know you know what styles a pop in person is appealing to a wide swath a wide audience that being said I'm Dave Jim She's there with like Tracy labels and like all these other women did like noted on homegirl who Uh have plenty is about who I believe actually accused Russell Simmons of like harassment in and sexual assault and something hoping to that effect. I think But all of these women that worked at DEF JAM and she's talking to them us like Oh oh in method man's here and she's like Oh girl method man year girl. I know Yeah Yeah girl he's so fine And I'm like lightbulb goes off. Oh it's not just the girls at school. He got signed to Def Jam. Because of this partly because of this like it's part of his appeal and the other thing was that I found out later which made made sense to me. The method man will go out his way to try to make to try to play this down. You know. He'd put in that context or Hill Hill. He'll do something and it will have the fangs in He'll wear his where certain like a mix of clothes will have the receivers gloves with this on but what ends up happening. The blind under the under the under the under the like the headband. Or what have you. But he would try to like roll up the eyelid some shit but what would end up happening is that would not take away or detract from his sex symbol status. And this again I didn't realize was a factor I do because again I'm dude and I'm just going by the music but again in the music industry all of this is a factor which is why why when Ghost face killer finally shows US face and it can it all be so simple. That changed everything because ghost face killers appeal went from just being his lyrics and has bars to await. There's a new way to market market. This guy now so goes face went from just being ghost face killer you know dude with the with the murderers. The murderers versus is to we can sell market. This dude is a you know. A sex symbol an appeal to the ladies even if he does these grimy as joints so like Rizza was really relishing. This in his position is advocated a Wu Tang clan because he's like I have more leverage in terms of what I can do my groups and method man was the guy who set it off and was the first Viable guy to be. You know we want this this dude. Even though there's several artists like Dante Ross wanted on old dirty bastard you know. He ended up getting him signed. Electoral method man signed with Def Jam. Tracy wearables INS and Some other women a deaf. GM your we need to get him get him get him You know Jessica ended up signing his deal and he did well for himself and then it was just a matter of like where else as everybody else going. But meth man against set everything off by having the successful album out the gate the brain to pain you. You know it did what it did. released showed dealth. Did it wasn't a huge single but but you know it it did enough to like. Have the album keep moving. But then all I need blows up goes crazy. Enters the rotation on MTV ATV the videos everywhere the songs everywhere it crosses over it ends up in commercials wins awards and there we go. We're off to the races now when you think about method man's to cal right and where where it existed in nineteen ninety-four more like the week before is the week did Pete Rockets Y'all's move released the main ingredient. You know so when you think about what was going on at the time is crazy because there were so many excellent albums out at the time a believe vom artifacts between a rock and a hard place was out already dead There was just a gang albums homes that I remember like having like going to hang out with people and like hearing in their cars or in their walkmans. Stuff like that. It like what was out around and Common head dropped resurrection. digman planners had blowout comb overseas word. Life keep Maurice Most beautiful thing in this world was out What else was out? I already said artifacts on Tom. Brand Nubian Brand Nubian. Everything is everything and I'm trying to remember because I have tapes and CDs tapes. The CDs occasionally we will get the CDs and we were getting promos too. So what else was out on. What else we listened to around in I remember people people were listening to? The murder was the case soundtrack without thug life without same time to What the hell else was out I mean if it's nineteen ninety-four that means we're coming off of ALM biggie. Ready to die which again biggies ready to die. came out and then like really really started to blow up right around Thanksgiving and after Thanksgiving and then like into Christmas and and I think around that time it's a Christmas. I mentioned on previous episode. The that's when the one more chance remix came out and that gave that album more life breath so as soon as it got cold again is. I'm talking about like cold weather albums notorious. AIG's rated. I of course is one of those other great cold weather albums and as is especially crazy when X right cold weather albums come out right win. The weather's changing as opposed to like Cypress Hill. It came out in the summer and it took until I started getting cold for the really catch that John. And how could I just kill a man What else was out stressed? The extension agenda came out that summer. But it's funny because video for stress there in Snow Oh gravediggaz six feet. Deep came out debt summer but it had a whole new life when it got cold old. So is crazy when you think about that And then of course next week. I'm going to talk about on red man's dares a dark side which to me is one of the all-time Great Redman albums. But of course Redmond doesn't really enjoyed that record for reasons that I'll get into. I'm for the next week. Now what's funny about me talking about Tang clan and Method man has album. Is that one of the things that happened recently. Which always happens with twitter is that there was a discussion on? Twitter are about The most iconic logo in hip hop history now being the historian Dan and the words words mean different things to me. I had a different take than most of the people. The consensus which makes sense the consensus is that the most iconic local in hip hop history read. I stressed that was the Wu Tang logo because of its reach because you can find it tattooed on people because because it can be changed switched and altered to fit Any WARF ILIAD and because it's on so many products and it's so diverse. Because you know there was will wear and the Wu Tang store store and then there was the home the branding deal to. Tang did not too long ago with that With that company so there was just like everything everywhere and you know it's international was worldwide and I was like. Yeah it absolutely is. It's very prominent. Now it's easily the most recognizable one now as the one that sticks with people's memories now because you know there was the documentary Wu Tang of Mike some men and then there's the Hulu show about the Wu Tang clan and they've been routine games they've been routine comic books. Denying rings at a Wu Tang you know and who who have been in several documentaries you know that was the one with the dude on Chang Wiseman With his damage. Remember what the name of his is concert series was but like there was a documentary to one like the last the last thing that old dirty bastard showed up to. You know what I'm saying it's like there's a whole bunch of things there were there. Were in the dam. Is it really not nineteen ninety-five will be when it comes up the show we'll Tang clans has a prominent spot in the show the entire clan. Dan Def jam documentary. But do you tell your clan. You know it's crazy. They weren't even on the label. Look at the answers that you you've and again. The person that was big and prominent on issue was notorious. B I G wasn't even in it because now Zaydan Blown Columbia go figure but the point I'm making is that the Wu Tang logo to this generation ration- to this era is far more prominent. Therefore they think it's the most iconic not realizing what the word iconic means meet and what that entails so I say no the routine local is very is extremely prominent now and yes for now. It seems that way but in actuality the most iconic knowing the definition of the word logo in hip hop history. It is also something that you have to stress hip hop history has to be either the Def Jam logo which is international and global and was a a brand stamp of authenticity and a stamp stamp of quality to the point where if people saw the DEF Jam logo they bought whatever was on the Def Jam logo the Def Jam logo local was on just because it had def jam logo on it and when hip hop I went overseas and international between eighty three eighty four with the first New York rap. And like you know what they called the kitchen kitchen show because of the the the club the kitchen and everybody who was pretty much and there was A. We're gonNA round you up. We're GONNA GO OVERSEAS WE'RE GONNA go to the UK. WE'RE GONNA go to Europe. We're going to go to Japan with this entire show and there was also around the time that Star Wars and on wall style had come out between eighty three and eighty four and then later beat street and breaking came out eighty four but like the thing was. This is when Def jam. I made a stamp. Def Jam made us Dan. Would you know it's yours. They may distant because they were the people actually behind run run DMC blowing up in eighty four. Def Jam is really the people behind the fresh best. Even though everybody on the tour wasn't on DEF jam they will on rush rush but rush was again. AH DEF JAM thing. So run. DMC starts touring and and blowing up and run. DMC is pretty much headlining Def jam tours. Because they're rush tours so the DEF Jam logo and run DMC. AMC becomes synonymous and pretty much in the same and they are the official brands of hip hop culture going globally when those wrap APP tours goal to the UK when they go to Japan when they go to Europe and you have to remember the was a time where we had something called the Cold War when there was a division and there were certain things that Warren allowed for people to have and what was the USSR. Soviet block East Germany. If you had something that was American like Bluejeans or certain things that they didn't allow Banda communist country. They were considered contraband. One of the things that they had there there were contraband. Were rock t shirts and and and merch from music bands when Herat groups were finally allowed food to go over and perform in Russia freely and in certain parts of the USSR and the Soviet via block and and East Germany. When the wall was down what they discovered was a lot of those people had Def jam t shirts which would have been contraband because they were not available to sell their? And that doesn't explain to you. The reach of the Def Jam logo then nothing will also have to factor in the fact that on Def Jam. UK and DEF Jam. Japan exist and they've been around for a while they didn't just pop up recently and I was going back and forth with people like you're wrong. You're wrong was the last time you've seen the DEF jam logo I was like it's not about the last time I've seen a Def Jam logo Tattoo I was like. It's not about the last time. I seen a Def Jam Logo Tattoo. It's about the fact that how we're seeing them in one thousand nine thousand six hundred ninety seven thousand nine hundred eighty eight on people. Do I see them now. Absolutely not why. Would you have a jam logo. It doesn't make sense now. When's the last time you saw run? DMC logo the last time. I saw one nineteen ninety in line. We're we're not was buying a random sees back from hell was a white guy have I seen Mundi. Mc Logos on people yes. I've I've seen Adidas Tattoos on people. Yes I live in Boston. That's not a hard find enough. People pass a certain age who were still alive and lower roxbury southend and Dorchester. I'm gonNA find some tattoos. I'M GONNA find some run DMC tattoos they were synonymous with the fucking brand and they all were synonymous on a miss with with DEF JAM and another iconic logo My argument was was on public. Enemy's logo public enemy's logo. I was extremely iconic. What was the reach of public enemy's logo To the point where rock fans and white kids even more public enemy t shirts how what was the height of it nineteen ninety-one. There's a blockbuster film called Terminator Two Judgment Day and the main character actor who plays the man who's going to grow up and be savior of humanity against the war against the machines. John Connor Teenage John Connor. who was already? A hacker is wearing a publican in me. fucking t shirt. I can't tell you how many kids who loved aerosmith and METALLICA and guns and roses porno for Pyros fucking. Jane's addiction or or fucking megadeath metallica band band insert band name here. Anthrax fucking loved loved public enemy and had public enemy t shirts and another thing I have to stress is that this is before hip hop fashion as we. We know it really blew up post like ninety one ninety two when it became like a big thing where became normalized because before that was just merch was just banned merch and ban merchants. We knew it wasn't super popular and also tattoos were not not as normalized back then as they are now. The culture was completely different so that multiple people moguls tattooed on back in those days it counts for triple then it being widely normalized now and and these are the type of things in a type of nuance that you can't get across the people who didn't live a certain time and can't have conversations like this an art historians on real time social sure media and it's unfortunate but that's that's what I have to deal with so a lot of people You can't admit you're wrong. Did it. No actually know what I'm talking about and me sticking to my guns actually know what I'm talking about and I'm right and I'm using facts and bringing up history and I'm bringing up a time line because it's important to what I do I could deal with people saying you just can't you're wrong your own. You're on your own because I know for affected I'm dealing with people don't understand the full scope of what I'm talking about in terms of the ward iconic because he's another thing that happens And in the era real time social media and what happens with language now is do words their meanings get diluted worst worst like legendary or legend. Don't mean what they did fifteen twenty years ago words like iconic onic. Don't mean what they meant fifteen twenty years ago. Wars like exclusive. Don't even mean what they meant. Fifteen fifteen twenty years ago. The word mixed tape doesn't even mean what the fuck it used to mean ten years ago and these are one of the one of the things they somebody who writes for a living thing. WHO's a historian who deals with language? Who's been studying English? And the changing language going back to the days of old old English understands. And you can't have these type A nuanced discussions with everybody because everybody ain't thinking on that level and everybody's everybody's considering history because they don't have to. I have to. I do it for living here. I am ranting into a fucking iphone. Now what I also WanNa talk about. Is that one of the funny things that I talked about. Last week was the. There's a lot of research really done. People just run with whatever whatever information so yesterday. A lot of people were saying which I kind of predicted was going to happen. We're saying that Yesterday was the thirtieth anniversary of vom home bases the CACTUS album being released. And it's funny because on the tenth. None other than Pete Nice himself was like yeah. Today's the thirtieth anniversary of mild being real and being released the CACTUS album and it was like I check check with Dart atoms and I'm like Yep but was released Friday November tenth nineteen eighty-nine. It didn't crack the charge until December you know December the second December second in one hundred fiftieth on two on the billboard. Two hundred and then the next week it entered December ninth you know oh on the black music charts. Same thing happened with the beastie boys whereas like a they're white rappers and we don't know if they belong to black music charts and not take it away so that was really interesting and of course. Last week I broke down. The whole confusion region about you know the Queen Latifah album All hail the queen and when it actually came out versus when it says it came out the twenty eighth when actually debuted on the billboard hot black albums charts on the twenty fifth now. Now here's crazy to next Sunday or Sunday next Sunday. The last episode of the first are season of Quest love and black thoughts amazing series Hip Hop songs. That shook America is Queen Latifah. Mony loves LADIES FIRST AND I don't know if they time that just right because it's going to be damn near thirty years to win. That single was released thirty years years so I was fourteen fourteen when they first came out. Dance for me came. Aim Out just as I turn. Fourteen came out August like August. Nineteen are donut. the BOOP boop boop like that song was so fucking fire. That album was amazing. And what's crazy is that I would have written about these. Things wasn't for the fact. I'm doing all this stuff and it's funny because I can't even getting a detail by executive what I'm writing. Just say that it's going to be worth it and is worth it going to be worth it for me and my life in going forward and changing it shit like that but I wanted to write about you know certain albums but the thing is they. They didn't do well commercially. When you think about rap you're going to hear that that's me focus my beard When you think about classic rap albums and I don't know how many of you really the understand this? How many classic rap albums albums also was seminal classics? Didn't sell well. I think they pretty much damn near most of the albums I talked about last week from Nineteen eighty-nine didn't didn't sell well. I'm pretty sure Jungle Brothers Done by a force of nature didn't smell gold. I know four fat Queen Latifah Queen Latifah's all hail. The Queen shows out go gold. I know for fact that Bad sister by Roxanne Sean. Todd didn't come close to smelling gold. I know that in this corner was the worst. I album of all of them sold. But it's still flopped because the last album came out double platinum ahead again a singles and I think I think it could beat Mike. Tyson was went gold but like that song was even trash like that was easily. I think wanted. Ll Cool J. and Jazzy Jeff. The fresh prince's those albums came out in nineteen eighty nine were result bolt of them being so up off the success of their last album that they kind of felt like it could do anything we could do anything we're invincible. We got the Super Mario Brothers Star Star. Dentist Incident Intent Tantawi invincible. We could whatever and Windham joints came out people like Nah no fucking with it. Matter of fact I think I talked about this article that I found. Where did I just record in on deleted because I came by I found an article and billboard talking about how? Ll Cool J.. showed up to invent and everybody boom in nineteen eighty nine and his album head like just just gone platinum and people just blowing this man. Can you imagine it because things the levels of different and also one of the things about like doing research into space is really hard. If I want to find out what was going on with like Chill Rob g's album ride the rhythm. It's super hard to find a release date because I can see some ads in like a billboard or aw old source but none of them really mentioned release date solid and if I if go look at billboard to try to find any indication of this fucking album. It's not they're just the same. The same thing happened with gang. Starr Gang Starr's album didn't sell enough to show up and billboard and so after jesting came out and then people went back started buying the album. No more Mister Nice guy to the point where where nobody knows when albums dropped and I mentioned this in the previous episode the March Eleventh ninety-nine issue billboard there's an ad for no more Mister Nice Guy Right there you know but they say the album in came out in the summer. I'm like no was already out. It'd been out for months. Matter of fact the reason people think album came out in the summers. Because that's when the single manifest best when a single manifest drops and it's on your TV Rats and dinner another ad for that single and Mike People you have to do all all this fucking research you have to really put in all this work all this Labor which may not be worth it when it comes down to like how much the rate is you'll get paid for it that being the case man If you're you're someone who wasn't around and wasn't of age when the album dropped upped initially then I gotTa tell you I'm you should really go back and listen to it or not go back because there's this is when you actually be listening to it again. Album is under forty five minutes. Thirteen songs EVERYB- you you might know. Bring the pain video on the bus. You know is pretty much. Just just a arisen fourth disciple album you got to slow plotting sinister almost almost a dirges that like you here but like you think about this album and how differently this album would have turned out. Had there not been the flood and risen studio versus. The album actually was made or think about this. This is another key thing that I've been mention inge. It I feel like method man was running away from this album and always wanted to make another album. The people regarded higher than this one or like one day. He was more proud of and I think that that kind of really fucked up his future albums like to cal two thousand Judgment Day. I think was a pretty good album but he always wanted to make an album like better better better and he always seemed to like four short to cows zero the prequel which was God. Awful like God awful quite literally. I think the only song I really really he liked on that album was probably like the show and it was like the short joint day he did and they did a video for it always like the flow on that one. One approach to that shit was fire because he like he was like Daddy's house fucking with puffy and stuff like that to try to make the album and and he had a whole bunch of people on the record. It didn't make sense. It was just all over the places two thousand four album two zero and then like four twenty one day after it was okay. It was okay but the thing who were members. I fucking album. Nobody eighty nobody remembers that album so always felt like he was trying to chase something yet. Another math that did he comes after that. The meth lab I don't remember any of them shits. I'm sorry but I always felt that Redman was trying to read. Man always felt the method man was trying to chase something he was trying to create a new. Do something different with that album. Like he was trying to like make the album that makes everybody forget about to cal. What ends up happening? It just makes everybody remember to cal more and also I think I'm Kinda far removed because I don't one hundred percent know how everyone else feels about to cal. I don't know if everybody feels about the cow the same way I do because I recognized that being the weakest I agree with him. The the weakest of the first wave of home routine classic albums. But it's still a classic. I'll put it like this. I think of the four world series wins by the Red Sox. Okay two two thousand four one has a special place in my heart. The two thousand seven teams better than a two thousand fourteen to two thousand thirteen teams better than the two thousand seven fourteen. Two thousand eighteen team is better than all the others but I still love that two thousand fourteen. I still love the two thousand and four bestsellers saying with the exception of Schilling to Dick. I kind of equate that to how feel about To cal it's the weakest of them but I still love it and there's a reason why I love it because it was the first and even though they're better more concise better put together probably better sequenced all much better sounding but for when it came out and when it happened it was perfect and what it needed to be and also I think this this 'cause I group it with the red man's album. There is a dark side which came right after it in a month of the man. I'm going to talk about Altima demand more next week. I'm going to talk about red. Man's Denver's dockside a more in depth. which is a album this like parallel L. to this one because well read man? I felt while method man felt like tried to make people forget about this album and and and do better than it I think red man also wanted people to forget about Derozan dark side because it was dark and it was somber and he was going bad shit in his life. And I'M GONNA get into that in detail next week one.

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Food For Thought: Baltimore

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Food For Thought: Baltimore

"Hi Bomb Squad. Welcome to food for thought. A Radio Cherry bomb miniseries. I'm Carrie diamond founder of Cherry bomb to know what's on the minds of food folk across the country so he went on tour to eat drink and talk with hundreds of you and recorded the whole thing live. Today's stop brings us to Baltimore Maryland. Where we recorded this episode at the Beautiful Bar Vazquez. Thank you to carry gold for supporting our food for thought tour carry. Gold is the Irish brand known for its award. Winning butter and cheese made with milk from grass fed cows from family farms. Oliver Ireland will be hearing more about their amazing products later. So stay tuned. Also thank you to visit Baltimore for making this event possible I up. We'll hear from Dietitian and recipe developer Jessica Grossman about how her love for recipes led to her meeting with someone very special good evening. I'm Jessica Grossman a registered dietitian recipe. Developer in culinary instructor am also wife. My husband's sitting right there. A mother a home cook at a paper lover. It's this love of paper what it represents in the kitchen. That brings me here tonight. How many of you grew up with a box of recipe cards on your kitchen counter? Handwritten and often grease-stained. I used to shuffle through my mom's box when I was barely tall. Enough to see over the kitchen counter as an ambitious eight-year-old too impatient and too lazy to look for a recipe. I nearly burned my house down trying to cook pancakes recipe. Cards were my first entrance. Point into the food world. But they lacked the visuals that are key for any great recipe while my friends were reading. Sweet Valley High Books. I was reading my Mom's good housekeeping magazines always on the search for visually appealing recipe. That I could make with my ever increasing skills and confidence in the kitchen. I used to watch Julia Child on. Pbs and I often imitated her voice. As I cooked. My sister preferred the Swedish chef on the muppet show. But I knew that Julia Child was the real deal by early adolescent years. I became obsessed with food and cooking. Besides my mom's recipe box magazine clippings. There wasn't a collection of cookbooks in our house. Just a few synagogue. Sisterhood Cooked Bus. All picture lists today. I've cookbook collection. That constantly inspires excites me back when I was a teenager. My favorite reading material was the Williams sonoma catalog. I'd read every page every product description. I asked my mom to replace her. Trustee revere where copper bottom pots with all clad stainless steel. She still has revere where I dreamed of. Having a big kitchen someday to fill with all the GIZMOS and gadgets sold on the pages of the catalog the paper those respite cards good housekeeping magazines and williams-sonoma catalogs where my first teachers. When it came to food and cooking there was no internet. Just an infinite amount of paper full of inspiration. I studied nutrition college taking a rigorous course. Load to prepare me for becoming a registered. Dietitian took lots of science classes psychology nutrition and my all time favorite college course of food lab one time. I had to make eight different pie crust using eight different types of fat. It's no wonder that my first job was a Williams sonoma store you know. I love those catalogs and they needed seasonal help at my local store. I knew inventory so well already and I even knew the parking lot. I'd learned to drive my mom's car in that parking lot so I balance. My nutrition studies selling all clad pie plates. Lemons esters then would head back to the nutrition lab where? I'd continue to play with food when I moved to Boston to pursue my master's degree. I was hired into the managerial team at the flagship Williams. Sonoma store there. Everything was a little bigger a little better and they had an amazing chef program. Which brought shops like Lydia Shire Joanne? Chang Jody Adams Barbara Lynch among others to the store to demo. A recipe signed cookbooks and pose for photographs in November nineteen ninety nine just two years after I was initially hired as a seasonal employees in my small Cleveland store. I add one of the most memorable days of my life. My Boston store was Julia Child. Homestore the closest location to her house in Cambridge Mass. By this point she was living full time in Santa Barbara County but she occasionally returned to Boston to teach Jacques Pepin and to appear yearly in store event on the day of hundreds or maybe thousands of eager customers lined up hours before the ten. Am store opening. They carried their tattered. Mastering the art of French cooking cookbooks to get signed oftentimes hauling tote bags full of Julius cookbooks. These lifelong fans carried cameras. This was well before the days of iphones in social media. Sharing the store was zoo. Julia Day we had books piled up to be purchased. An autographed customers grabbed whatever they could to have signed wooden spoons potholders dish towels anything that was able to get the imprint of Julia's pen. I was assigned to sit at the table with Julia. As you saw on the photo to manage the crowd and keep the personal comments brief. She was nearly eighty seven years old by then but still as gregarious is I remembered from PBS shows. Julia was an imposing figure over six feet tall plus a pile of cloth tear. She wore a heavy strand of pearls. So classically elegant and almost regal. She sipped tea from a delicate cup between her. Brief interactions with her loyal fans all wanting more than a small piece of attention. They were granted. Her comments were short. Indirect this was not a woman who made small talk on November seventeen. Th One thousand nine hundred ninety nine. I met Julia. Child my culinary hero and a hero to so many others I think she resonated with so many because she was magnanimous passionate and funny and because she found her calling relatively late in life. How inspirational is that? It's not too late for any of us to find our voice through food. I think the secret is to stay connected to what resonates within for me. It's paper this physical connection to recipes. They're like a map a journal a gentle guide to where we've been where we are and where we might go reflecting back nearly twenty years since that Fateful Day and in my twenty years nearly twenty years as a registered Dietitian I ultimately believe. That Julia's message was simple. Cook the Food. You love for those you love surround yourself with good food good wine and good people and you'll always have a good time. She touched my life innumerable ways. There's no comparison for this culinary giant. Julia was the icon of all icons. Thank you Jessica couldn't agree more. Julia child is an icon and such an inspiration to everyone in the bomb squad. Next will hear from Katina Smith who tells us about her project. Just call me chef. Hello My name is Katina Smith and I'm the founder of just call me chef JAS. Emc came about as a passion project to highlight. Black women chefs after diving. A little deeper. I noticed that there were. There was a need for an organization to shine light on the disparity between white male chefs chefs color and black female chefs in the culinary arena. Black women have been cooking since the beginning yet in the industry the numbers. Just don't add up. There is a severe lack of representation and opportunity in higher level kitchen positions. Jc EMC IS A SISTERHOOD. Led by black women chefs to support black women chefs. We are growing alliance of women of color promoting diversity and inclusion in professional culinary arts and hospitality. Fostering opportunity exposure and support providing mentorship scholarships and grants that. Just call me chef. City tour is a platform to showcase. Black women owned food establishments. So yeah that's just a little something about what Jaycee. Amc is about. So I'm it's pretty new. I started. I launched it around June of last year a day to me as the idea of just a calendar and then I figured hey this can be so much more than just in calendar. This can connect black women chefs in. We can utilize each other almost as a sisterhood. In a hub to help one another out so right now we're still in the growing phases of everything so. I had been traveling to a couple of cities so so far. I've been to Philly and I've been to Chicago and there is a need for it. I'm finding that women are emailing me saying that. They wish they had a hub to plug into for the help. Some thinking and not only. Can we help each other out but we can holiday each other. We can help each of those brands. Hey if you need a jump in you need some hands. We have found that we've been able to do that for another no. Amanda over there. She's in mcallen. She's called me. Can you come over? Can you cut this offer me? I'm like absolutely so just being able to have that sort of sisterhood. In connection so that's what just calling me. Chef is all about. Thank you for so excited. About how just call me chef grown and we're thrilled that you're organizing adjust. Call Me Chef Conference for Twenty. Twenty one for folks who would like to get involved checkout. Just call me chef on instagram. Our final speaker is Cindy Wolf. Cindy tells us why she loves being a CHEF. Understand up the one of the we we talked about carrying. I talked about What I wanted to talk about and she said you know I. I love being a chef. So that's what I'm going to talk about. My great grandfather and grandfather were butchers in Pennsylvania. My father was in the food business all of his life. Here's one of the first people to import from New Zealand into the United States. So just you know grew up with a bunch of women that were great cooks on both sides of my family. And it's just in my blood and we were talking a little bit earlier. I originally gone to college to Study Restaurant Hotel Management to become a a restaurant owner and business manager and eventually decided. The college wasn't for me and that I wanted to go to culinary school and then the moment I set foot on an culinary school I I was just so excited and it was so amazing and I loved every moment of it but to me we were talking about. I told Carrie that I love every day that I'm in the kitchen. I love what I do. I sometimes I just stand there and say to myself. I believe I get to do this. This is my work. This is amazing and and it is such a great joy to get to work with great food product and where we live is a very very concentrated farming community and we pulled from Virginia Pennsylvania. I mean well we pull from the the the sea coast all the way down to Florida but I mean it. The farming is so important and just it just gives us such a great great possibilities. There's so much inspiration in what's in the market and that's for everyone to enjoy now. Thankfully our markets in this area are much better than they used to be. When I moved here twenty four years ago there you know there were not that many markets and they were. They were not very popular. They were not being supported by the community and now they really are which is great. It's great for the farmer. It's great for us and it's great for the person that can't buy from a purveyor like we can. We can get anything we want. But but for you to have that opportunity and for you to be inspired and you're cooking by what's growing in your local area and having this great fresh product so for me. The greatest joy of what I do is is to teach to work with people that I love. I have staff that have worked for me since the day. We opened the restaurant. A lot of my guys have been with me for many many years and I have a couple of different families working for me as a matter of fact and they are my family and so. That's the other great joy of what I get to do is to work with food and I get to work with people that I really really love and we also know those of us that are in our industry that we work very very hard and the people that are family really. Don't see us that much so it does your restaurant family. It's like being in theater or anything where your you know. Your lifestyle is just so different from everyone else's you know it it it becomes your world and everything centers around it and we were talking about some of the some of the negatives in the industry. I think that the positive of being in our field is that anyone can do this. You don't have to go to culinary school. You don't have to go to college. And that's very inspirational. And that means that I was also having dinner the other night and we were talking about how our country needs more traits people and this is one of our problems. We are losing all of our carpenters and all we need to think that being a cook or being a waiter or being traits person is is a great job that it's it that that you should be proud to be in these positions. I remember when I first started cooking and people would look down on me for becoming a cook and you know. Of course. That didn't bother me at all. But now it's there's so much celebrity potential for chefs. It's a little bit different but all the other traits need to have this. You know there should people should be proud and we need. We need good carpenters and all the traits people so I think that's one of the things that needs to change in. Our country is an emphasis on making people. Feel good about doing good hard work like that but anyway I love to cook one of the greatest things is to make guest happy and when I know they're happy and they come up and say things that I I almost can't digest. Which is you know. This is one of the best meals I've ever eaten in my life and it just makes me so happy but I also kind of say no not really. That can't be possible. Are you kidding seriously? And then because they often say I've eaten all over the world and then they say that I'm like come on but I the greatest joy that is the greatest joy and knowing that people are happy. That's what we do as we say. We're not doing rocket science. We're here to make people happy. We are preparing food products and serving it to them so it is really something that should be full of joy. Was that five minutes. I don't WanNa talk to you log eurocom. Thank you Cindy. If you'd like to experience some of Cindy's incredible food be sure to check out foreman. Wolf Dot Com to learn about all her restaurants before we get to our panel. Let's hear a word from Kerry gold carry. Gold is delicious. All natural buttering cheese made with milk from Irish grass fed cows. Our Farming Families Pass their craft and knowledge from generation to generation farm. Fifth-generation goes back over two hundred fifty years. This traditional approach is the reason for the rich taste of carry gold enjoy delicious new sliced or shredded carrot gold cheddar cheese available in mild or savory flavors at a retailer near you find your near store carry code. Usa DOT COM. Are you ready to hear from our panel? Please welcome Jasmine Norton of the Urban Oyster Chef. Donna Creveld of Kohima and chef Amanda Mack of crust by Mac Bakery. One update since we recorded this episode amandus plans have changed slightly. She's opening in a different location but her crushed by MAC. Concept is set to open this month at Whitehall market in Baltimore I question Donna. We will start with you if you had to describe what you do or yourself in one word. What would that word be? Well one word. I guess I connect with people every day I connect with my staff will first of all at home. My family come to work the staff and then most importantly connecting with customers as Cindy said earlier. You know it's to make people happy what we do we do because we have a connection with people they come to your place and they you feed them and and that's a that's an initial connection and then I I spend most of my time walking around talking to people you know. How is everything? How are you and they want to tell me stories and you know we we have? It's it's very important if they don't if they like something they tell me if they don't like something they tell me. But it's it's very it's very much a connection so I feel like it's it's connecting interacting but really connecting. So you are conductor. I'm an expert title. We're giving you all right. Jasmine your turn. One word one word for me I would say relentless. Were just based off of the premise. Of how I started my business. You know being mobile setting up basically a kitchen everywhere that we went. The Isaiah came against us. The new ones that I inherited on a daily basis. You know with having a brick and mortar I'd say relentless because in it may sound cliche to a lot of people but I say all the time because I mean it when it comes to my business I look at it as much out in so there's nothing that I know. My parents other parents who are out here in the audience that they wouldn't do for their child in. There's not one thing that I wouldn't do. You know for the the success of my business. If that means I get two minutes of sleep or two hours of sleep if that means that I get blisters across my stomach which just happened. This past Sunday from standing in front of a grill at the farmer's market. That's just what I'm GONNA do because it's important that my business is successful in that. Put a smile on my customers face in that I'm consistent and that people are happy in that they continue to enjoy what I have to offer so I would say relentless Manda the word that I would best used to describe myself would probably be authentic and I say that is because growing up. I grew up in the projects. Just a few blocks up the street. We have this Beautiful Harbor East. Everything so glamorous everything so pretty but when. I was growing up as a child. I actually lived in the projects. I lived in a food desert. There was really little to no access to fresh veggies. You know good quality clean food so for me being authentic and my story being authentic where came from people who've inspired me and helped me along the way is really just translated into my business and into my business model. So if you see me out if you follow me online. I'm the exact same person that you meet on the Graham. I love being around people. I just love hearing about people's story and just being a part of people's story so for me being on their tickets something that I carry with me and my personal life and my business because I understand what it's like to have nothing to start something from Ground Zero and also to be successful and also to to come up from a place where you might not have a lot of influence and a lot of inspiration but you go out into the world and you meet authentic people and you connect with people who are inspired by what you're doing. Who wants to support what you're doing so for me. Relationships authentic relationships authentic food. You know sharing things about yourself that translate into your product is really important to me so a lot of times when I'm cooking the meal or making a big good. It comes from a very special place for me. It comes to my very specialised story I like to my grandmother taught me how to Cook. Taught me how to Bake so when Jessica talked about the recipe cards. Oh my goodness I know. All about the rest of our. That's what I grew up on so watching the Food Network. Taking notes writing them down. There was no rewind back then we did not have dvr so you had to be quick for me. I'm really authentic in my story and my grandmother is the beginning of my story so I try to carry a lot of my recipes and a lot of the things that I make today. It's very close to my family. So be an uptick in Hawaii. I'm my story and then translate in that to my customers in my friends It's really important to me. So let's beautiful man's thank you. What was your grandmother's name her name. She's Tusa yes she is her name is Yvonne Roy. She was actually a chef here in Baltimore. She worked for some of the earliest. Eat In this abolitionists here. So she was like work in relentless. You know like raising kids coming home in the stories. We're here you think is tough for women now back then. Oh my goodness so we would. Just I would just sit and just watch her hours recipe testing and a tiny project kitchen hot. Okay if you cannot stand the heat I know first hand so so yeah my grandmother. She's amazing my mom she owns a catering company for the year. So food is you know. Food is important. Food is a part of my story. So should've brought your grandma. I should look for the opening. Yeah yeah she will meet my. How did you make the leap professionally is so funny actually went to college and I was like you're going to go to college? I'm going to be a marketing and communications and I was. I did that. I was in to publish arena. Magazine did a whole bunch of creative consulting but then I just realized like that work is good work. I'm helping other people but for me community is very important to me. I come from a really big family and I just wanted to be more in tune with the people around me and I wanted to share my story with the world through food and my family food is how we say I love. You is how we say. I'm sorry is how we say. Congratulations so for me. I wanted to be closer to food and working in my mom's catering company by force because it was not it was not like Oh application it was like get over here cleanness case a chicken so it was one of those things that I really enjoy doing. I will be hours in the kitchen with her with my grandmother just catering and weddings and small events. So doing that with her for years added like you know what I'm going to step out on my own and do small catering because it was fancy you know it was intimate. I'm all about my friend Carleen ear. She's my soul sister. I'm all about like the fancy intimate gatherings so I did a small place catering company for a few years and then I did a lot of work community work in farms. I did a lot of work for John Hopkins School of Public Health to do like food deserts increase in access and then I also want from there and I started working at a local cafe. Where actually the pleasure of working with chef cat and it was a sister. It was something that I just could not get away from. It was contagious energy. Something that I just always wanted to be around all the time. I had the pleasure of working in female dominated. Kitchens you know so. My story is just like sister sister sister so it was one of those things where it was just like. I want to do this all the time. Being around people who are so passionate being in the kitchen where I grew up it was important to me. I continue the story and it was just a legacy passed my grandmother from my mom and it was something that was in me and I wanted to just. I knew at that moment that that's how I wanted to spend the rest of my life in the kitchen. I have three children and hungry husbands so there was just it was just. I was all the time so I just wanted to live a life that I didn't have to carry online or offline. It was just something that I will wake up and say this is what I'm doing. If his work it was worked at that I knew I would love to do every day so I made the transition. I said forget this magazine. Forget this Pr. Like I'm in the kitchen where I belong and it was something that I just enjoy. You know making people happy through food so avenue. I was here to stay and I'm like excited. I get to open this bakery cafe in two thousand eight hundred twenty. It was a lot of people who have supported me supported my campaign so I'm just humbly. Grateful would see Baltimore to my sister hit he year and so organizations like Cherry bomb who are carrying out stories and carrying voices all over the world. So this is the place that I need to be and I think you guys what coming here really are remarkable community so they happy being here as you were talking. I was like everybody talks about living their best life. I was like you really are living your authentically thing. You hear one word that you chose all right jasmine so tell us how your baby was born. Essentially referred to urban moisturizer child definitely well I can relate to Sheffield men and a lot of ways but mine lie dormant for a while. I also have a background in communications. My degrees in broadcast journalism so I worked for six years for a an audiovisual corporation called. Psa actually worked at the four seasons. Call it Murree. Tirmizi retired from the four seasons Two years ago prior to that I lived in New York for a short while in like I said. This idea of the urban oyster had been lying dormant for some time in. It wasn't until I landed in New York that kind of pushed me to actually conceive and birth it in so I left Baltimore at a time where the rights please and things like that and I lost a lot of hope in Baltimore. You know to be quite honest was concerned about you. Know just walking down the street and you know what that would look like in what could happen to me in so like I said lost a lot of hope in Baltimore and so you know uprooted transport my position and I worked in Times Square and lived in bedside all in. It just was not the life that I thought it would be like. It was like this is not what is like one. Saturday's like when I come here on the week. It's not like this. This is horrible so I also had a lot of takeaways living there as well and so what I learnt living in New York for my six months was that is so much culture in New York to be such a huge city. They celebrate everything I mean. I went to a parade for Halloween. Like what what is this in? There was amazing thing that I love close mortgage Berg. I would go there every Saturday and Sunday in it was like these self taught chef. Who had these amazing concepts and I was just like it. Looked like this room like people from different walks of life. You know music good food like they have Rahman burgers like what I was just blown away and I was like this. Is it like I need to bring back this culture to Baltimore like things that we can look forward to on the weekends or you know not just an annual celebration like art scape and things like that things? We can look forward to on a regular basis and so. I transferred my position. Came back ahead a little halt in my my pursuit with that. I had to have surgery for major fibroid that I had but in the midst of that I was able to kind of take my my public relations background and my parents cook the Menus and recipes. That are prepared and created. And I would take pictures and build up the anticipation. As soon as my doctor gave me the closer you know to come out of recovery. I launched my very first in the sense in like small little Bistro in two thousand and it was well received in and so the premise of everywhere. That we go. Whether it's in the restaurant weather is at a farmers market. Were Festival is good food. Good music because those are the things that I saw in New York that brought everybody together so like anytime you up. Pass our standard festival or a farmer's market I have my jbl Bluetooth Speaker were jamming. Were partying. We're serving good food even in the restaurant because those are the things that I see could change the narrative so that was my small way of you know contributing to change in the narrative. And so what? I have ran away from a family embroidered bay. And so that's basically how I it by being in a very uncomfortable place well. New York's loss obviously Baltimore's gain associate. Donna a real hot were. These days is pivot. Everybody talks about pivoting. You pivoted activity years ago into food. Can you tell us about your pivot? Years ago. I'd say and Well I've always been interested in food. From the time I was very young. I was surrounded by my grandmother. Costa and my mother who was great cook and still was cooking tonight. When I called her she was getting dinner. Ready and so I came to Baltimore in Nineteen eighty-four to work at the Baltimore Sun. I'd been working at the Boston Globe and I Came as a designer art director food stylist which I love the FA- my favorite part of that was was food. Styling in the early eighty or the mid to late eighties. I went to Sicily for the first time and saw where my grandmother had lived and was inspired by by being Sisley for the first time and and I thought about writing a Sicilian cookbook. Because at the time there were no Sicilian. Cookbooks never did that. But wrote articles and kind of had all this kind of going on the back of my mind worked at the son loved being there loved food styling and bringing the paper to a level that had great visuals and raid people at the Sun. But as as I got to do more I was going to more meetings and I wasn't doing designing and it wasn't very creative and computers came if you can imagine there were no real. Computers at the time and page design became not sketching and designing but sitting at a computer and they offered to buy out. And at the time I had a small catering business on the side with a friend and I was it a big meeting where they were talking about the buyout and my friend. Elizabeth Large who was the food critic at the time tapped me on the shoulder and said you should take it looking at me. I can't take it weeks. Went by and she had a dinner and introduced me to my longtime partner. Alan Hirsch who actually was the city paper founder and he and I both loved coffee food. Everything that we felt. Baltimore didn't have at the time and we said Yeah we're going to do something like this something with coffee. Something with you know something with where you sit down and you get a sandwich on really good bread or a salad with really good. Greens and believe it or not. This predated starbucks. This predated everything that I had seen. You know at the time and One day I just kind of had enough of the sun with whatever was going on and I said I'm taking the buyout and I took the Biot- at the end of ninety one and Alan. I got together and really came up with our ideas and we opened the first on his cafe and nine hundred ninety two and had more than you know I could manage at the time but we did and they all were doing great and we had highs and lows and then about four or five years ago the developer of mill number one came to me at cross keys. He was having dinner and he said. I'm developing this space and it would be a great place for an Italian restaurant so we went to look at it and you walk. You drive down the driveway and its cobblestone and it feels like you're transported to Sicily. We got other people involved. Judy Golding is actually the owner. And a wonderful woman who I wish could have been here tonight. But she's Taking a couple of days off and now she saw the beauty and the space and we together you know came up with the idea and when we were thinking of names for it we said well. What was your grandmother's name and I said that's it. You know so we we So now years later those recipes and the ideas that I had when we were in Sicily and I was back about four times since are now on the menu and part of Cosa. So we don't have done is anymore but you know we're realizing these you know this great woman and other great women like your grandmother and everybody's mother or anybody who kind of touched them with food you know we're seeing now through this so yeah it was a transition but it seems like you know there've been lots of transitions but I think you still have that core of you know something. Something is creative something touches you and and you feel like you're you know you're touching other people with that when you mentioned that you had a catering business on the side so he also had a side. Hustle before anybody. That's right before anybody called the design house. Yeah I'm too old. I think so since. This is the food for thought tour. As I mentioned earlier we wanted to find out what was on. Everyone's minds Amanda. We're going to toss this question to you. What is foremost on your mind right now in terms of the food world like where do you consumed with? What are you thinking about? Where do you want to make change so for me? I think that the place that I really am really set to make change especially since my bakery cafe is going into Cherry Hill Baltimore. It really brings me back to my roots about living in a food. Desert having access to fresh healthy produce So with Chris by MAC WE JU- seasonal pastries pies cakes It's really important to me is really important to me. Especially because when I grew up a lot of my who came in cans. You know we didn't really have a lot of accidents and now that and I've done a lot of work with foods as Erz local farms community garden. Csa's so when. I heard about the opportunity to open up my bakery in Cherry Hill. I was just like I I was like. Oh my goodness. There's nothing in Cherry Hill and then I was like. Oh my goodness. There is nothing in Cherry Hill. They don't have any in no coffee. I mean they have a seven eleven but there's so much business there and the people living in the community have to travel outside of the committee have to go across the bridge for food for coffee for the market. There's not even a real market there so it was just for me. It was like God was giving me the very thing that I was working so hard to to change so here in Baltimore so for me. Create an opportunity for the people inside of that neighborhood to come to a place that is understanding of their situation. Who's been there? I WANNA bring all of my foodie friends to talk about access and opportunity. I'm bringing in different Growers Gardeners and just having fresh produce on display. I know that it'll be something. That's kind of like new. It'll be something like what we're used to the chicken boxes and the cheese steaks ups. I love a chicken box and I love cheesecake so we have to start being better from the inside out and just having access to fresh produce supporting your local local economy. It just does so much for Baltimore does so much with the people in the community. Feel like you're actually a part of the solution so for me. I'm right now. I'm tasked with figuring out a way to bring fresh seasonal foods to Cherry Hill but then also getting them to understand the importance of that and then also understanding how much we can change the community and change the narrative around access and opportunity in the area and Baltimore as a whole so for me. It's just I've just been sitting with like I cannot believe this is happening that I'm being in a polices similar so we I grew up and I'm actually. I have the power to help someone. Superpowers a change in one's life the power to change someone's health It's really amazing and I'm just in a meeting last week with met star health. Who have come on as partners to sponsor me for any nutritional education classes that I want to host an a space. So we're already just thinking of ways to bring program into that area to bring access to the area so. I'm just really excited to be able to do that. I not even like baking cakes pies but just showing people that there is more and you don't have to travel far to get it and also that you don't have to be a product of your environment like I know what it's like to live below the poverty line. I know what it's like to have to travel to another zip code to get food and so go into the area like Oh my God what is what is this Harris Teeter. What is this whole foods? What is this cheese bar like? You know what I'm saying like so bringing those opportunities and bring the access to people especially people who don't really know that it exists is is something that's really humbling for me and I'm also really excited and just looking forward to being that change being being that vehicle For people who are just like me. You know so. That's that's that's really what I think about all the time. Oh my goodness how am I going to do this? Only going to bring an end to the space going to make this work people So yeah I dream about it you are. You're doing so much more than opening a brick and mortar. Like you have a mission. I do I do. Do you have a mission? It's it's like I said like being authentic person knowing that you started from a place and you don't have to you. Don't have to in your life here. There can be more. There is opportunity. There are people out here willing to help you like I'm like with cast starting the just call me chef calendar. It was just something that was like I met so many people would just through cat like so. Many people are my closest friends just from heaven and sisterhood of you know of community having someone to call and say like. Oh my God I need help. You know. In the way that we show up for each other is so important. Like it's one of those things that you cannot trade for anything for money not for anything just having a sister of people and just having someone who has your back who understands which you've gone through and knows that I don't have it but I need I don't have it but I need help and you show up. You're willing to do the work so for me. That's how I WANNA show up in Cherry Hill and wanted to be that person. Listen I need help. I don't know how I need to get there. I don't know the steps to take but someone that's willing to to show people the way you know like. I'm glad that I can. I can be that person. Jasmine you get to follow that up so food for thought. What IS ON YOUR MIND? Jasmine on my mind a very much like Cindy Wolf You know just making a stronger presence as a woman building an empire my mind is constantly running like some people may think that I'm doing too much you know it's such a short amount of time you know most people with they've gotten to where. I am right now with you know finally getting to that point where I have a brick and mortar and things like that like oh you've made it But it's never enough for me. You know I'm always striving for more. I'm always looking for the next thing to do In so what's on my mind like I said is is establishing a stronger presence. As a woman in the culinary industry you know establishing an empire Another thing that's on my mind is you know is so many people in this room who also have contributed to my success. Along the way in it's important to me to carry all of them in whatever way I can you know along the road like my designer is right here? My photographer Kate. Amanda supplies are limited. Pell Kagan our restaurant. I mean cance. Calendar so Carleen son is why employees in. We also make many network pressure of so. It's important to me like it's such like a tribe like seriously being in Baltimore. My partner in so many ways is back there with me. Who Helps me cook and keep me from strangling people with also? So it's just it's so it's such a huge huge tribe in his always important that I have them on my back and figure out ways that we move forward together in this empire that I'm struggling so hard you to bill Donna. What is on your mind? Well you know I think that it goes all of us. Think back to our early days are education and You know what did we ever know about food did we? Did we learn about food? We learn about healthy food and I actually used to be a teacher years and years ago. But I'm teaching kids and teaching people about food Not just cooking classes and not just to people who can pay a lot of money for classes but you know getting into the schools in teaching and teaching kids about making a salad. There's a program Through the AI. Wf The American Institute of Wine and food. Which Julia Child and Robert Mondavi started And they have local chapter here in Baltimore which brought Julia Child to Baltimore years ago and and they go into the schools. And you know you do. If you're chef they invite you and you do a three week program where you talk about taste and then you talk about You go to a farm and one-stroke farm is one of the local farms that they go to another farms and they show kids of. Here's where the lettuce comes from. It just doesn't come in plastic bag. And here's where the carrots. You know the Real Carrots. Yes you can eat those and then the next week you go back and you make a salad you know you make your farmhouse salad and they. They are not getting re ranch dressing out of a jar. But they're eating you're making lemon vinaigrette. And they're tossing his salary and the reading yoursel in those sort of things that are always a part of what we need to do is educate people educate kids. Educate everybody about you know real good natural food food that they can. I think more and more people are getting aware of it when they go to the farmer's market but not a lot of people go to the farmers market. I think that a lot of people don't have access to that a lot of the kids who are in public schools right now still. Don't see where food comes from. So I think education in educating children about how to eat and what to eat is is sort of always on my mind to and. I think you'd be doing that with what you're doing. You're that's amazing. Thing that will you doing is bringing bringing real food to people. And they're not just buying cans of stuff off a shelf. Yeah that's really great. I would love to see the return of home. Yeah why did that ever leave schools? Well they probably didn't have enough teachers. Misguided FEMINISM yeah. Yeah Yeah Yeah yeah sure because it was just for women right all right we are. We Talk. We can unpack all that for a while. I'll save that can be a conversation starter for the networking downstairs. So we're going to jump to a little speed round that we're GonNa do and then we'll open it up to questions from everyone so all right. Jeff Donahue is your culinary hero. Well I know Jessica talked about Julia. But I'm probably one of the only people who actually saw her on TV when she first started back in the sixties and In by grew up in Boston too. And so W H and we watch. Julian Love Julia and I learned how to cook from her early cookbooks and so when she came to Baltimore I think it was in had to be in the mid to late nineties for this this program and I got to meet her It was just great header. Saimaa cookbook and later got to Do a couple of dinners and made the salad for her dinner and made something else for another dinner so it was just an amazing You know time to to be to be a chef in and to be with her and also what I remember is that she was happy to see women chefs It's good to see a woman in the kitchen. You know that was Julia and you know she just. She wanted more women to be professional chefs and while she was in her. If you've ever read or listen to any of her biographies Some people that she wasn't legitimate chef. Because she you know wasn't like the men who went to culinary school but she. She made her way into culinary school and she made her way to the top of what we thought was the best one of the best chefs. Because she she was so caring about what she did. And she really truly cared about people She would talk to you when she would say so. How are you doing? So what do you do you know she was? She didn't act like a superstar like a very normal person and cared about people. That's you know and I think that's why she was more of a a star than anything else is that she was a very honest and genuine person. Chef Jasmine. Who's your culinary hero? Michael Hero is shift here. Be of spice but just females in general. I'm to put it all in a in a general statement of a woman who is a mother who carries so many things on their. You know their daily please. You know to be able to put as much care as you are. I have a child with the closest thing is the urban noise But I can only imagine that daily struggle looks like you know heavens you spin and make time and covered Tom for the in Colorado Tom for your passion and things like that and it's like you'd never complain. No one would ever know what you've gone through to get that plea to them to get whatever it is your servants to them and I have the utmost respect so yes thank you for taking care of Jasmine crack. Making sure. She didn't strangle anybody she did that. You you're the one that would be people that call out in my life very difficult. All right chef Amanda. Who is your culinary culinary? Hero is of course my grandmother. Of course I remember her talking about not just because she made all kinds of things for me But because she told me the story one time about I don't WanNa get emotional so it's so funny so I get my water. Hold on let me pause hold on. I'll sing a song for a man. Gets her water line you could. I only had a sip of that. You can have my water so my grandmother is so funny she all where mothers him so many stories right you can just. I mean that's the talk they talk they talk my grandma. There's no difference so I had my son when I was nineteen. I was in college. I was like gambling to go to school. Everybody was so disappointed that I got pregnant and my grandmother was just like Oh Mandy. You're going to be fine. You know like you were going to land on your feet and I was like. I don't know what to do this so it was funny. I moved when I had my son my husband. He got US apartment. All we white marsh. It was like the Nice area to be in. I was just like ob still used to like. My grandmother actually still lives in projects. So I'm like she doesn't want to move now because she can't it's just like I'm not going nowhere Mandy. That's her so I would. I was so far away from her at the time. White Marsh is not far but to me nineteen. I'm like Oh my God. I can't believe I'm like okay so I will call her every day. Like how do I make this? How do I make that? And she would literally talk me through recipes over the phone like allerton how to make a rue. I learn how to make so many things just with her talking to me over the phone and it was one of those things that was very therapeutic. Just here have voice while the baby's crying I'm trying to make him some food and she just walked me through and just one time. She told me the story about how she was working in the kitchen because she was like back then when she started being a chef there were a whole bunch of like Delis and just like a whole bunch of new places that people could go to for quick fluids but they still wanted like they work butchers and all those kinds of things so she told me about this story where she worked and she literally got paid like two dollars and twelve cents an hour and I'm just like and she had four kids and fed them. She Fed us like I was so amazed I was like I don't know how won't raise this kid. You know I'm only making ten dollars and fifty cents and she's like. Oh you can do it like I'll make two dollars and I'm like no. There's no way you could have made to Davos and twelve. But she made two thousand twelve cents. She failed her four kids. She Fed her four kids kids and it was just like and just didn't even think about. It was one of those things where she was like. That's what you have to do. You GotTa do it and you do it and don't complain and even now sometimes when I'm overwhelmed with my three kids and my husband and my little Mount Vernon apartment. I'm like how am I going to do this? And I remember the things that she told me. I remember about the resilience about it does not matter about how much you make. You have enough to take care of your family. As long as it's food on the table and close on air bags. They are happy and they are fine. And that's that's the mentality I take with me and to my life. I'm having a hard days when I feel like the invoices aren't coming in fast enough. The work is coming in fast enough. I remember the things that are important to me in my life. That made me happy. And it just always translate smacks of the kitchen. Every time I go in the kitchen and cook is the time that I'd that's myself care. I calmed down. You know I think about the things that I'm grateful for and I'm just excited to be a strong black woman. Who has these kids? It was taken care of them because if she can do it back then for two dollars and twelve cents anything. Not Wait to meet your grandmother. Twenty twenty all right. We're going to end there. I cannot thank you enough and our speakers earlier so many beautiful memories so many of the memories and thank you to the folks that visit Baltimore Inspiring us to come here. Thank you thank you to our speakers. Our ten DIS and to chef Cindy Wolf and her team at Bar Vasquez for hosting us. Also thank you to the folks at visit Baltimore for their support. We Love Your City and big. Thank you to carry gold for supporting our tour and providing us with beautiful butter and cheese at each stop. Our show is produced and edited by Seidman. Thanks for listening everyone. You are the bomb.

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Hour 2: Best Fit For LA

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Hour 2: Best Fit For LA

"All right. The clock is ticking. We are less than three days away from NBA free agency, and it might just be the most loaded in league history. Stephen, what could be the biggest surprise. Would you say free agency? I want max to go first on this because I want to hear his response, please knacks, if the sorry, Knicks get a single elite free agent to sign with them. That would be the big surprise of free agency. I sat in this seat and listened when they traded Kristaps Porzingis. I went on Twitter rant that night next day I come in and sat and listened to people bend over backwards to explain the stupidity of this idea as though it was a good one. Kristaps Porzingis on his rookie contract. Seven foot three every single thing, you'd want a guy to do a unicorn don't ever done it like him before play defense like that space by the rim can can shoot the three pure can take it could take you off the dribble that Christopher traded him to free up cap space that you created. Well it was a new regime. No mill signed Tim Hardaway junior. Well, it's because Christopher porzingas wanted out. Will which team did he want out from mixed their fault you traded? Did all that because here we go. Katie's coming. And then Katie gets hurt, but even if he didn't you think he's going to the sorry Knicks. That would be the biggest surprise places dysfunctional. Everyone knows it. If Steven that's changing, they're going to have to demonstrate that to the league overtime not going to happen like this. They're silly misguided plan is about a blow up in their face, and I will sit here laughing if I'm wrong, I will be very surprised. Well, you know what? Nobody can beat that because that obviously has to be a huge huge surprise MAC. But I would tell you, if Kawhi Leonard ends up going to the Lakers, that would be shocking. I mean, I'm stunned as over what I've had to report this morning in terms of them saying that the Lakers have become major players in the whole coagulant, sweepstakes is not a two-horse race with Rondo and the clippers it's now a three horse race with Toronto clippers and the lake is with the clippers potentially losing out to the Lakers. I'd never -ticipant in my wildest dreams that all knows that I heard about a while lended that he would consider being an LA LeBron and a D. I know he and LeBron Tech's one another. I know they communicate their friends and what have you. But and they worked out together last summer as well. A so it wasn't like they were enemies anything like that. I'm just saying that I thought that could wild lent. It would be the guy that would want to be someplace away from the sizzle play with the clippers compete with the Lakers in the Staples. Center for surpremacy within the NBA, and that would be that to think about Kuwata Linnet, potentially joining forces with LeBron. And a dean would be Oltra shocking to me. No question about, you know what Stephen I think about I understand what you mean. I, I agree, everything that we've been hearing, that would be a huge shock. But now, think about it in another way. Is it really shocking? Think about the history of the Knicks their biggest acquisitions in free agency, like Chris Childs Amari Stottlemyre on an uninsurable, contracts dot Meyer. The year everyone was banned for LeBron or Wade, or Bosh, Pat Riley wasn't thinking, LeBron waiter. Bosch, Pat Riley was from the Lakers. He was thinking LeBron Wade, and Bush, and the Knicks mound up with uninsurable Amari Stottlemyre. No one else wanted thing about back in the day, we just had Tim Hardaway senior on the show. He's a free agent. The Knicks wind up with Chris Childs. Those are the kind of moves. They make while the Lakers are signed. Shaquille, O'Neal and LeBron James, the Lakers. Always get their man. The Knicks never do. It's par for the you gotta remember you're looking at it from a basketball perspective, zip pertains to the history of the Los Angeles Lakers. What we've seen throughout NBA history, etc. I'm just looking at the personality that is let it you got you're talking about a God. Do you understand it? If this guy decides to leave Toronto and go to LA Mexico amid he would have walked away from eighty million dollars with two moves the move to from San Antonio Toronto, where he's not for the supermax, and then obviously the max dollars Toronto can offer him over five years, considerably more than he could get over four years with anybody else in about about fifty million dollars difference, who are, you know, max tell me and all your years of watching basketball, it all your years of watching sports. Tell me one person that you can point to that lives early walked away from eighty million dollars. Blanket, who was that? I'm talking about losing eighty million. I'm not talking about all I can make it up somewhere else, and I understand off the off the court issues endorsement deals all, but I'm just talking about in terms of their respective sport, their salary no matter what it is knowing that you can't get that back. Who do you know that walked away from eighty million? No, you're right Stephen, but I'll also say this about Kawai and I'll you can relate to this. I think if you could make neither no two hundred million dollars in your career. And you get after six or seven years to live in LA for the rest of your career in life, or you can make two eighty but you gotta spend the next six seven years in San Antonio Toronto. Maybe that puts it in a little bit of a different light, especially those from LA. That's home for co why. Well, I'm saying this. I'm saying I'm not disagreeing with you. But, you know, we're on the same page just here's the difference. You're looking at the Lakers and basketball and I'm looking at the personality. That is linen. And I'm saying even with that being said, it's still made more sets everything about him say clippers the talk of personality that literally, the team, I'm just talking about now, one of pop rotties, the sizzle of Tinseltown and a purple and gold and all even. Even though he grew up a Lakers fan. The fact of the matter is you never got any indication that Kowa Linnet was the kind of dude that would join that kind of atmosphere. I mean I like it. But you never got that impression that that was who he was. And so to hear that the possibility of him arguably the best of the world is people's eyes, like yourself, a champion, two time champion now NBA finals MVP all the things that he has gone from a country at as mercy, a city of franchise, the sane and to be able to walk away from all of that, to go to join the Lakers. It's quite shocking. It really is purple and gold Kawai. Well, you said it seems a quiet just wants to be happy. So maybe that's just what's going to make him happy. We'll find out but still to come here on I take, I'm glad that you can, let's go non-party people. I'm only caring listening to the first take podcast if you don't know numbers. You don't know your business folks, but the problem growing businesses have that keeps them from knowing their numbers. Is there hodgepodge of business systems? They've one system for counting another for sales, another inventory, and so on. 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Car, my breaking. Really stand. For more coverage state farm dot com. All right. Welcome on back to. I take we're coming to you live from above the Heineken rubber duck at pier seventeen. Now let's welcome in the air river so charismatic, Drake's well dressed, Bomani Jones, one half of high noon, which can be seen every day at four pm on ESPN. Welcome on my brother was, was my brother. You, you don't look into the camera and say what's up to your board? My chair. Supposed to be looking at. That was going off. Stephen that's no skews that you are pro TV every day his questions know what can, we ain't got to come to work to do the show. I got come to work to do to show. That's what I wanna know. Dan, you know. Yeah. New, that's high eleven to. These are not the Airdrie do not wear them. Because you found out they were air Drake's after you bought him. And now you won't wear them. Yeah. That's basically. Okay. Walk around with signups said too many things to be out here, like rock rocket Samir. Drake's I will humble myself before Michael Jordan. I'm not humble myself before. No drake. Fair enough. Fair. Stephen, would you mind reiterating. The news revealed at the show right now. Your money at the top of the show. You know, I had a bunch of phone calls from last night, and this morning. Apparently Kowal Leonard has become a serious threat with, you know, the land with the Los Angeles Lakers. He strongly considering that, you know, his college coach has been somebody that it's talked to rob link on numerous occasions. His right hand man, there's somebody to talk to Magic Johnson on numerous occasions. He's cool with LeBron. He's worked out with Koby. He grew up a Lakers fan. He wants to be back in LA, supposedly, even though he hasn't made a final decision as of yet. And for what I'm being told the clippers are very, very nervous that the Lakers, have really, really come into the picture and benefit -nificant player in all of this. So it's gonna come down to the raptors the Lakers of the clippers with the lake is seemingly having the edge over the clippers to acquire him. I don't know how true it is what they saying though, if that happens, though, if it ends up going to the Lakers, day, you gotta wonder what katie's gonna do? We've talked about the Knicks. We've talked about the nets well Bob, my as general manager for the Golden State Warriors is going to be on the east coast this weekend. The minute the clock strikes, six PM eastern. Standard time. K D is going to get offered to two hundred twenty one million dollars super max by the Golden State Warriors to remain with the warriors, you know. So if you're K D in light of AD, LeBron, potentially Kowah being in LA, do you still go to new you wanted to New York teams? Or do you go back to Golden State because you think about the next three years, and you go compete for title then to get to your boys and Houston, right? You've got a situation where for Tita and Darryl Maureen. Those boys have been pursuing Jimmy Butler. Do you still do that knowing that LeBron AD and potentially Kawai are in LA, or do or do you stand stamp, Pat, and just let Jimmy Butler, stay in Philadelphia without trying to bring him to Houston? Syncing -ticipant. It's not gonna make much of a. Difference in terms of your ability to beat LA or not only that, you got kyri you got Kimber, all of this stuff is going on. Koa Linnet right now is the king of free agency because whatever move he makes may very well dictate what a multitude of teams elect to do which is what makes all of this, so interesting. That's what I've been told. And that's where we are here reaction by money. I just can't see who I let go of being on top of the basketball world to then, being LeBron James psychic because there's really only room to be in the broadside kick, that's the only if you're going to be on the team with him. You go to be the sack. And then that means Anthony Davis is going to be the number three guys. Linda go be the number three guy. I expect him to go back to Toronto. My guess he sounds a two year deal the ten years in the league, then it comes on the back end of that inside, like the supermax extension that you can get for being a ten year veteran. That's the only thing that I can see having his him doing that because I just don't think for him, personally, it makes sense to play for lakes seem to the clippers. First of all, I'm not. So sure, when you say sidekick, Kawai. Lead that team in scoring LeBron could use it. Lebron basically, the point guard Kawai is like the one part of his game. It's not up to snuff with the rest of his game, his passing which is only okay. It's not all other worldly. He's really a two guard. He has that kind of scores mentality LeBron as the point forward uses AD as the big and Kawais is the two who I could lead that team in scoring. Yeah but here's the thing though if you own a team with a broad bus opposed to leave go from the hotel to the game. The bus leaves will abroad gets there. No matter what time that happens to be. That's when the bus is gonna leave your letter that you worked up to that place in life. You're not trying to be the other guys waiting for this other due to show. What? Right. Like those are the things that think about being the second players, not just second player on the court is the second player in the building. And after being the number one guy did so much might not be going for that. Yeah. I don't mean I don't think was present. Let me let me present this to both y'all. First of all, the Monte from what I hear about Kawai. He don't care about any of that. He's cut from a different cloth. He could give a damn about that. Whether we believe that or not, we may be seated depends on what he elects to do. But I'll throw this at both y'all. I'm also thinking about the money, and here's why as I explained earlier, you leave San Antonio. So the supermax is out the window you go to Toronto. They got your rights, but they can't off you super Mexico. You haven't been with that team for these four years. So you have a situation where they can give you one hundred eighty nine point seven million, the one eighty seven point nine and one eighty nine point seven one of the forget, but either way it's going to cost you close to fifty million dollars to leave Toronto to go to another team. So you could have had to twenty one s out the window. Now you can have close to one ninety that would be out the window. If you decided to go to LA, so go into the clippers or the Lakers, doesn't make a diff. Guys, if he elects to go to the Lakers because in terms of cash shea, if what they say is true. It's LA's a Lakers town, even though the clippers have their own fan base and all of this other stuff. If you talk about money that you could make off the court with new balance envy on is it possible that being a Laker is exponentially. More beneficial to him financially than being a clipper. I'm asking, I don't know. I wanted to get your response to that now I think it could be beneficial to be Allegra. But the question is, is being a Laker and the number two guy on the team. More beneficial than being on any other team being the number one guy. Right. I mean, we saw James harden, and get that try played in Houston. So like for me if I'm kuwa- I wanna be the man on that team. If I've already been the man, he might be the best player in the NBA right now. I don't want to be the best player in the NBA and the number two doodo, my, I would say that the strongest move for Leonard, including staying in Toronto. I think clearly is going. To the clippers my honest opinion, I'm Lakers fan. I wish he would go to the Lakers. But if he goes to the clippers, I'm telling you right now, the clippers will surely win the title next year. They just took the Golden State Warriors, a healthy K D six games. If you add to a team that's already formed, and playing well together you don't have to take anything away. And by the way, you still have cap space to add someone else that team is going to be better than the depleted warriors or the rockets who can't get over the hump or whatever Utah Denver's. They're not going to be as good as that team. And the Lakers AD and LeBron two years from now. Yes. But they had to strip it all down to get there, then they're throwing it together. It's gonna take a year for them to figure out the details. Kowal win the chip the clippers host the second best plot. That for one second Jimmy Butler on there. Oh, so you take, I see, so you're saying, max, you believe let me be very clear, because see you confused us now we're talking about Kawagoe into the clippers you believe that if Jimmy Butler doesn't end up in Houston, that Jimmy Butler is gonna leave the sixes to go to the clippers. I think it's possible, of course, is there. But I'm saying even without Jimmy Butler guys who was the second best player on Toronto now. Yes. Well, there's certain things in the east that made it opened it up for quiet. I'm claiming that's the same situation in the west. This is a clippers team again with a healthy Cade beat them, two games. But now, Katy and Clare at there. The Lakers are without a roster around their two stars who else is in the west, it's going to stop Kawai on a on a team on, they're not just doing this together. It's a team already. And now you add a finals MVP the best player in the game to that team without taking anything away. It's like it's Toronto Rita. I'm not I'm not I'm not sold on that. I, I think Houston could take, I think. Houston could take that particular clippers team. I think Portland would nurture back could take that particular clippers team. I'm not a fan of the canal gala Nadi. I'm not a fan of. I know he can play a little bit. But I just consider him relatively soft. Montrose, heralds, a rough rider, but from a skill standpoint in terms of the ability to hit perimeter shots, and what have you like PASCAL Seok could I don't see him as dot mom. Step away from the basket hit outside shots. I don't see that, you know. So when you look when you look at Toronto, I think you're underestimating how skilled Toronto is Patrick. Beverley, you gotta keep it. Remember nine million dollars? You gotta bring him back. You gotta find a way to get if you if you go out the match, you gotta find a way to make sure that you keep him as well. Don't underestimate. It's reality, too. So we don't know that about Patrick Bev. Good news miss. I'm not sure championship side of Hawaii, though. I mean, if they get Jimmy Butler, okay then you got like a number two option. But Kyle Lowry is a better to option than what the clippers would have right now, the other thing that clip these raptors head those big long, do not show. Money you're going to be lowering more lowering. Later on the show on god-like lowering. I like I like I like Larry but Lou Williams, I would argue is a better option. Six three. We haven't even mentioned about that. We have a lot more things to mention coming up in this show. And max also coming up, you're taking us to your ingenious. Tell us how. Ingenious bar have any in arches. I held the golden art. And now what do you say we get some free agency education from maxes ingenious bar max, take it away seem to be having problems with your free agency predictions. Let me see if I can't help figure this out for you. First of all, if Kawai Leonard goes to the Lakers. They obviously win a championship. Can we all agree on that no one's gonna be Kawai Leonard and eighty and LeBron? Right. Steven A and Bomani or me, or whomever, Charlie could be the other two people on the team. It wouldn't matter. Okay. So we're really talking about Toronto or the clippers and I am here to tell you that Leonard is the balance of power wherever he goes that team will win the championship this year. Let's start with Toronto. That's where he is. They are the best in the east and likely getting better Siaka is an ascending player, and an OB should be a sense. Player he was hurt. But this guy can do a lot of things. There'd be a lot of interest in and OBI, were he available, for example, in a trade. These are young ascending multi multidimensional players who are getting better, not to mention Kyle Lowry who seems to have gotten over the playoff gifts and had a maybe the best player in the final game of the season. Okay. The rest of the conference is running in place. What's going on in the east Philadelphia just hoping keep that thing together as much as possible? Can they keep Butler and Tobias Harris? Can they even just keep one of them? What's the difference in Milwaukee? It's the same thing Middleton and brogden. Can they simply keep it together and the Celtics that alludes our hor- for that lose kyri candidate can Kemba Walker be guy? Good enough to keep us at least treading water in Boston. Right. So as Toronto's getting better just won the chip the rest of the east. Is descending? The have the clippers. Speaking of team on the rise versus other teams in the conference going down. They just took eight Kevin Durant, led warriors. He wasn't hurt. He didn't have an achilles or a calf. He was fully healthy six games, was the MVP on the clippers who was their best player. They didn't have one. They were deep. They were good. They had a lot of average daughters, but who was the MVP now? You mean to tell me without taking anything away, you're going to drop Kowa Leonard into that situation. And just as the clippers are improving the rest of the west is wide open. No, Katie or clay in Golden State. The rockets are into, if you say, are they ascending or descending, you would say descending the Denver Nuggets in the Utah Jazz got a little bit better? But they don't look like beaters and the Lakers just got thrown together. Let see what they even do the rest of their space, and how they all play together Kawagoe to win the chip wherever he goes. He stays. Toronto. You're champs. He goes to the clippers their your chance agree with us. I just have not all on the clippers you and I appreciate that. They won those two games. That's fantastic. They won those two gains to eight seed, right? So they had their best two weeks at the time you probably have your best two weeks at a year. So I think you ain't why, and they become a contender but still played in San Antonio. Do you think that, that team take the Marta rose and out put away Leonard today and green bed, you think that team would be a contender now to win the west because I don't think it would be contended to win the west. So I definitely don't think this clippers team will be contended with the west just because he's on answer's yes, I do think with Kawhi on the San Antonio Spurs right now instead of the Rosen, I think they would be a contender. But I don't think as much of the Spurs, as I do of the clippers at the moment, four Coa seven what are you saying? Well, let me ask you this question max, albeit rhetorical, what the hell was so ingenious about what you said. All we all know. No, no, no, no. I do understand that if cogos to the Lakers, they're going to win the they're going to be the favorites to win the championship. We disagree on the part of the clippers I stand there with Bomani. All right. And if he stays with the raptors good chance that they're the team that comes out of the east, and obviously that puts them in play to win another championship when we talk about Jesus we talk about clever. We talk about brilliant. We talk about it being something will you spending alone, essentially, there's nobody that excuse me, excuse me? We listened to you speak. I'm talking directly to you list, what I said is, is that we listened to you talk. We heard what you were saying you pretty much what most people would could see what is it? That was genius about what you says the genius bar right genius. Genius, balling with where into the going into the season. I told you Toronto was good come out of the east, you told me is going to be Boston going into the finals. I told you Toronto is going to win in six games. I told you Toronto is gonna win. I the road team would win games four five and six. Now you're sitting all the time. Now you're stealing the cliff. They would you're leaving something out. First of all, you don't know what this genius because we don't know what's going to happen until next season arrive. That's more importantly, after the raw after two rob after the rafters got swept a team that you picked to beat LeBron last year. You started the preseason saying they will win this year you jumped off the bandwagon, and set Milwaukee is going to be there done, and you're wrote them off. I thought that walkie would beat Toronto going into that series to start the season. I picked Toronto out of the Boston store with others, such money. John, his enjoying the show. Guys to keep like a chalkboard back here. So, you know. If you're gonna have a ball if you're gonna have a ball. All right. And needs in these live up to it live. Clinical wins the shabby. Right. I give you a list when I give you a list what I'm doing is I'm touching on a fresh topic. I'm not saying the same thing that I've been saying for a week the fact that the matter is, is that if we know what's going to happen. We know Toronto. They're going to be. Stephen as list. I'll even be talking Pablo got you. I got you. I got you. I'm trying to I'm trying to find something that you've been right about. Was right. Why? Because he's right all the time. But failed this out salty about quite a few things with the show. You be right. Ain't one of them. All right. So here's the thing, though. Right. I agree that if you put Hawaii on the Lakers what they got now. That's a championship favourite. But can you think of a time ever in the NBA that it is wide open as feels like it is, at least on this day, it'll probably still feel wide open after the first week of July? Right. Like many interesting teams this is it. They wanna parody, right? The league decided they wanted to redo this at thought this league was better with three or four great teams. And everybody else given us exhibitions. This is balanced league is ever been. Right. And so, you know, credit to you guessing. Right. You did good. Because we all guessing at this point with the NBA is really that close. Listen, it's called the genius bar. Don't don't pull back the curtain. All right. I. Title come on another title. I don't mind the segments nights. I, I need another title other than the ball, you got to come up with a different. You got to come up with some better than I think the gingy works. Now. Another name. It gets this reaction. Now I'm positive. June som- Brady on high known Radi. Made it a point address officiate trying to get I'm trying to plug it. That's a good look receive name. But I got got a plug my man right here loop. And with that introduction. Not welcome in rapper. Actor producer in co-founder of the big three basketball league ice cube. All right. You're overcharged. Good to see you man to man. It's good to see. A lot to talk about today. You know, your Lakers now have cap space assign a max player or even build around LeBron eighty. So what would you like to see them do with all that money? Well, you know, course, put a great team around them. Everybody's forgetting about Calcutta's MMA. You know who's a great player too, so, you know, I don't think we need another max player. But we need some great pieces. It'd be nice. But, you know, I think with the right combination Anthony Davis can get his real deep and then LeBron. Just take us over the hump. Ice cube. First of all, congrats congrats. We'll get into the big three and a few minutes 'cause I definitely got something I want to ask you about that. But sticking with the Lakers for second. What has happened to you, my brother? I remember when we were sitting right next to each other, and you were talking about I don't need stars. We don't Bill for what we don't need we don't need the bro. We don't need it superstars now you sitting there, like, hey, the broad A D. I like it. Could you explain yourself, sir? I don't run a Laker. So I got roll with what we got. You know, sometimes you gotta play with cars that you don't. So that's what I'm doing playing with the cards that I'm dealt when we had a young team without in the Brian, I thought, you know, maybe one superstar will come in and be enough. And I thought that was going to be what we need it. It didn't work out last year with injuries trade rumors a lot of things you know, brought down our team. So. So here we go. You know, in the summer, now, we got AD, common, and we gotta put a team around what we got which is the man, I don't hear all the jokes. Now, you know, I heard heard a lot of jokes just a few weeks ago. And now I hear you know, people really wondering if we're gonna get Kawai wondering if we're gonna get kyri. Will we get a Cambe you know? So that's what I like is the fact that everybody's you know, got sensors about themselves. I said, laugh now cry later and get the tissue because here we come. They're gonna have to decide Cuba do. They hate the Lakers. Again, they're trying to laugh at the Lakers. They're gonna have to decide but can't nobody laugh at as the guy who runs the big three your TV now saying, we don't need a big three and LSU. We Lakers fan, as you know, but LeBron AD should be enough. If you put the right pieces around them, right? Yeah. Cal coups. Okay. But there's a little drop-off between the Brown, and Kyle coups McCue. Let's be real about this. So I get that. But if Kawais available you have to get Kawai. I think I think I kyri also fits that my question to you is where does it drop off, like those Kemba qualify as a guy you'd say, right? Forget all the pieces we need. Kemba Jimmy Butler qualified a you where, where do you say? No, not that guy. What's the cutoff? Well, I think you know, we need to a point guard. I mean, it's only a few max guys out there. And this couple supermax guys, I guess, but we only got so much so you know, somebody's going to have to sacrifice a little big to come and be a part of this. And if they don't I'm saying it's not the end up a world. I'm saying that doesn't kill our chances to go all the way to the top. You know, just takes a little more and it takes takes everybody knowing they roll, no matter if you a big part of the big three or not. Let me transition to the big three because I want you to talk about your league. How's it doing, you know, what's the chance of surviving, because I love, I love what I see you trying to do for former players, giving them some shine cats. Still wanna play just don't want to run up and down the court for eighty two nights during the regular season. Retired plays things of that nature. Want you to talk to me about that. The kind of support you're getting, and how you feel what you feel the league standing is right now we've got a great league you know. And we would love a little more support from sports media. But if we don't get it, you know, we know we got to earn our stripes. We don't mind doing that. We got great games on all weekend, hardnosed players, you know, playing the game you love, you know, three on threes in America's sport on Vinnie right here in America. So, you know, we wanna make sure that, you know, you know, promoted and pushed in the right way and it you know, I don't have chopped liver got some of the greatest guys who ever touch basketball. So I would want to sports media not to treat these guys like you know, some, some of the pass teams they was on, you know, when playing in the NBA and get a little love for, for playing great basketball at a high level, who's the best big three in the big three that you've ever seen cube. Wow. Man. You know I've seen some great players but I mean you look at. You know, core, Magaji you look at a Katina Mobely, and you look at it, I guess, big baby, you know then three they wanna championship last year. So they got to be the favorites. Sorry, what do you think the players can do themselves to help promote the league? I know obviously when she played pro ball, you know, everything else is going to be looked upon as secondary. But is there anything specific that they can do to help us what we see you a lot, but we don't see them talking a lot. What do you think they need to do? They gotta get there. But out there and promote you know, this is their league if they wanted to continue and keep growing gotta get out to promote the league. You can't take it for granted. You know. We're only author year, you know, we still got to introduce a lot of people to the big three and it's great. We plan all weekend give you something to do. You know you wake up early, especially on the west coast gives something to watch and checkout, and it's just a great league in, you know win the summer. What else are you gonna watch baseball? Who's the who's the best big three in the in the NBA right now? Obviously if Kawai went to the Lakers the cake who's, who's the best big three in the league right now. While you know, you got I guess you would have to, you know, start with Janice as one of them, he just won the MVP Rog than Middleton who are the other two on that you have a lot of a lot of options. Yeah. Without a doubt. I guess you gotta go with, you know, me who's gonna leave out of the blind. You know when you really wanna do it can't nobody stop that. And you know as a point guard, there's a lot of options, you know, but I still like, Damian Lillard you know, he he's still to me. You know, between him and Steph. That would be my big three. I got a question for you. What do you think about AB joining your raiders? Oh man. You know he was he looked like a pirate. So he was born to be a raider. You know. So I'm extremely happy that we got some personality back in the locker room. Let's get some of this Reiter, mystique going again, and have some fun. You're not. I don't mind guys that come in. That's a little, you know volatile ready to go and know what he can do wanna do it, and khaki witty, why not. How do you think they're gonna fair this season? They're gonna do pretty good. You know, I think Jon Gruden has really had a chance to put the team together, you know, in the way he he see fit. And. You know, I, I have confident that they're going to do better than they did last year. So you know, they ain't got really Bill right now is gonna be who do you got you? Got you got hope you got hope or you got confidence real confidence. I mean you confident that they're going to be this. I got hope I got hope for real. I don't know. I gotta sing this wait and see thing with me. You know, I'm not going to sit here and sugar coated if when the raiders go to Vegas fine. Let me they're not in southern California when they go to Vegas. You're going to switch over to the Rams, or is it still going to be the Rams right there in LA? Not a Rams as my side piece I got I got raiders. I got to writers chargers insurance who show up anywhere. Charges. Look it Cletus. This, this people feel in LA. It's unbelievable. The chargers. This cousin that, you know that you don't want to come over, and it won't go home. We all know that. I think he's much for joining us, everybody be sure to check out the big three this summer. Because like the man said, what else are you gonna watch Tom breeze? Just about done it could be his next game. He plays. It could be a year from now. He is going to fall off a cliff. I can't believe what I just heard this year, including this postseason left in front of him. And then he ain't gonna be Tom Brady anymore. You come up with different stipulations to the cliff, every time we speak about it. This is now. Tom Brady's age forty one season. He will not be Tom Brady. That's my claim all along. Brady turns forty one today. Max forty one big birthday. I do not think he will be a great quarterback this year. If he is proven me wrong. Hey max, the goat is listening. Tom Brady had this Instagram post yesterday picture of a radar gun show and TB, twelve throwing balls at sixty one miles per hour and the caption, he's gonna fall off a cliff. All right. Here's a little bit of context here. Some notable quarterbacks in how hard they threw at the combine before entering the NFL Patrick Mahomes, sixty miles per hour. Faker Mayfield at sixty one Carson Wentz at fifty seven Cam at fifty six deck at fifty four that's pretty numbers, right there. We'll Kane joining us here in studio now I'm not a mathematician. You're not. No, I know you have a ingenious boss. I don't know if you guys solve math problems there at the genius bar. But whatever you need sixty one higher than sixty. What radar gun us? I, I. I they marry up to three of in other words, the strongest arm. Max. Are you gonna reach your statements now not? In fact, Mike -tainer had sorry, ten-year had this Bleacher report in January of this year. If you look into the numbers for the eyeball test tells you, he's not the same. Secondly, if you look into the numbers verifies highest interception total lowest TD rate since two thousand thirteen lowest passer rating since two thousand fourteen in a year of record passing thinking and Dunkin compared not just to, you know. He always kind of digging the note compared to the last two seasons. He's thinking Duggan completion and I down rates on third and four plus down from the last two seasons down from his career below league average. This is just what it is now. He's playing for two things of conspired to make it look, as though he hasn't fallen off a cliff. One he's playing for the greatest coach who ever lived and to and they've compensated with run game cetera. And two they've changed the rules in the NFL where you can't touch the quarterback. So I'll refer you to early in the seas earlier in the season when Kansas City who was the linebacker who had them in his grips had him in his grasp. Let Tom Brady walk into the end zone. That's how the patriots one. You're not allowed to touch the quarterback anymore. Favoring old quarterbacks. Tom Brady, still great under pressure. I never expected that the change and I don't mean under pressure because those numbers are down to when he's actually facing pressure. But in big situations. He's still Tom Brady still has the clutch gene, and all those things for sure. But he is much more of a game manager now than he's been at any point, see what since young. And by the way to get a high reading on a radar gun, you can muscle it. That's why quarterbacks Brady's age are not as accurate down the field anymore. That's why you overthrow receivers because you're muscling. What do you think about that? Steven take this. You wanna you wanna go. You know, I'll go first world because I'm not going to be law with this is max Kellerman. All I have to say about this. You did not say there would be a drop off. You said he would fall off a cliff. That's what Tom Brady is replying to. That's what he's reacting to now. You did take back the word bum. Because you thought it was disrespectful, and kids will watching fun. But you made the argument you didn't sit up the say he wouldn't be the same and leave it at that you said he would fall off our cliff, which basically meant you know what he's not going to be anywhere near what he was going to be a shell of himself and don't even bring Super Bowl championships into the equation, essentially utter. Those words he been to a Super Bowl each year. He's one two two n VP's go ahead will why I think you stole the thunder there at the end. But it seems to be the only argument needs to be made. That's listen to me. I'm talking to you. I've sat across for going on three years now. We have a nice before. I don't know that I'd call it a friendship, but we definitely have some mutual respect. I know you place, a high value on being right. Should be ashamed of yourself max, you should be very, very ashamed of yourself. You should go home and really give some thought to this because Stephen, I said, at the end, is the end you made that prediction two thousand sixteen max since that time, Tom Brady has been to three Super Bowls. He has one two and that Stephen eight points out. He's won two Super Bowl in MVP's. There's nothing left to discuss. You are the guy you are buddy. We all have this, buddy, you're sitting around, you had a party you're single at the time. So let's make that clear and there's a beautiful beautiful woman in the room and everybody is astounded and you're over there, picking out the smallest of flaws on the Mona Lisa. You are over here. Looking through stats doing your best to find things to explain away. Your take you're talking about muscling radar gun. I don't know what you're. Through. But I know what you're gonna dig past. You're digging pass three Super Bowls and two wins. It was the lowest scoring Super Bowl in the history of Super Bowls this year. They did they couldn't get the offense going. And the reason they want is because they have a better coach than the other team that is protected. Tom Brady's fall. Now. Stephen understand what you mean about the cliff, I said, it would be like this, and it's been more like that, that is true. And I'm here to tell you that has something to do with Tom Brady, of course. And also a lot to do with rules changes. I had no way of predicting at the time that they would change the roughing the passer rules to the point where you can't touch the quarterback. And so that is also preserved him. All right. Well, what do you say we talk about the Lakers for a little bit right now? You know it has been a great couple of weeks for the purple and gold. Anthony Davis is now a Laker and they've opened up enough salary cap space for another max player will had a message for rob linka haters on his radio show yesterday. You could line them up outside this studio down and out the door up the street and around the country you can line up the people that need to bend over and kiss. Rob Pelinka's but. Apologies are and you can start with where the sun doesn't shine. All right. Well, Lenka you say he's Jess. I have to confess that, that kissing of that made me very uncomfortable. I. Explain the top just say, just taking it. Uncomfortable, Stephen a microphone, you know, we have our. Microphoning listen, rob Pelinka was not just maligned. He was made fun of he was called a moron. It was said he didn't know what he's doing. I want to be clear about something very quickly. I'm not giving him the entire credit for finding thirty two million dollars in cap space for the Lakers yesterday, obviously a ton goes to clutch sports. Obviously a ton goes to LeBron James but win the trade for Anthony Davis was made. There was an assumption that rob Pelinka had put the Lakers behind the eight ball. They wouldn't get a max free agent. And in that time in that we can have we have seen several moves made now where the Lakers are in contention to we're having a serious discussion. Stephen a Smith is out here saying, Leonard is now seriously considering the Lakers. We need to give Palinka the credit and I believe with our initial reaction. Some of your little, you're a little bit early. If Pelinka lands, amac's free agent who's like an MVP like if. Forgive Kemba Walker Amax contract. I don't necessarily think that's a good idea for the Lakers. If they get Colli Leonard or let's say, Kyrie Irving or maybe even Jimmy Butler. Okay. Okay Pelinka, you're right in that case he's Oded apology by people like me, but so far, what I've seen happen. The only difference is magic SATA town because anyone like the reason they couldn't get a D when they first tried they didn't have the fourth pick in the draft. The only changes they got the fourth pick in the draft. Magic would've made the same trade. Okay. Now, click sports helps arrange it so they also have cap space. Here's another thing. I don't like LeBron doesn't have as coach. You've a weird coaching situation where you have a guy coming in who looks like a lame duck because Jason Kidd's underneath them coach sports. It was an inside job. All you had to do is don't botch the inside job. And so far they've kind of botched the inside job. Lebron doesn't have is coach there seems to be an issue there, if they get a wire kyri, then the apologies are owed, but not before then. Both of you are wrong under no circumstances is rob Pelinka and apology. Unless one thing happens and one thing only. We find out that his suppose it hell legend be trail of Magic Johnson is, is proven to be patently false because that is the biggest reason rob Pelinka to criticism. I've certainly never sat up there and said he was an idiot or incompetent or anything like that. And I know you're not accusing me of that will cause we spoke about this yesterday. But you know other people may have done that. But I didn't do that. What I'm saying to you is the biggest issue the biggest reason why rob Pelinka within a pup was in the midst of a public storm was because Magic Johnson abruptly resigned. We had heard reports that rob Pelinka had something to do with it because he was stabbing. Magic Johnson in the back and betraying maj. Johnson. And then when there was a question, Mark about that. Magic Johnson came on national television with the cameras rolling, not once but twice I, I take and then on my special on the end to join the NBA finals and said it in the camera that when he was talking about betrayal. He was talking about rob Pelinka. So the fact of the matter is all of this stuff that anybody wants to talk about rob Pelinka getting Davis. We knew that Anthony Davis. Hold on a news eventually come. We didn't know anything. We didn't know win the biggest issue. Rob Pelinka was the relationship with Magic Johnson. That is the most review. He has Steven A and you're right. We ran into each other in the hallway yesterday, and that's the biggest issue for you. Listen very simple question for both of you. But let me say this what I'm talking about. Stephen is the improvement that Pelinka made for the Lakers situation in the past twenty four hours. I am not questioning the reporting of our great reporters like yourself Adrian were now ski. Ramona shelbert, Bobby Marx, who have said that, rob. Pulling did not have this lined up that cap space was compromised. That's what they've all told us. But he has recouped it in the past week and a half putting them on a footing max to maybe if it's the right answer. Bring in Kawai or a kyri, or perhaps break it up and bring in a Pat Beverley or or a you know, another player probably not Malcolm Brogdon because he's restricted but two nice players. Here's my simple question. Both of you. Hold on. Here's my simple questions. Dave nee if the Lakers in a year's time land, Anthony Davis. Another superstar or two less than a level superstars and become the Caesar's odds favors to win it all are. We're not talking about twenty twenty executive year. You might well you can. Could say that you might you hold out that you could say that? But remember when it first went down, we will, like excuse me. I set it right here on I take there's no reason over react. You have to deal you have until July six to get a deal done. There was a debate as to whether or not he should have closed the deal July, July sick, right? The four. All the free agency news right here on I take on Monday. We'll see you then.

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Ep 143: The Owner of DCs Nubian Hueman Boutique is Revolutionizing What it Means to Buy Black (w/Anika Hobbs)

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Ep 143: The Owner of DCs Nubian Hueman Boutique is Revolutionizing What it Means to Buy Black (w/Anika Hobbs)

"So we wanna make sure that we have something that's unique. And reflects as culture words, ideas ingredients and patterns that really reflects us as people of color or black people is really important for us things that you will not find at urban outfitters or anthropology or h. Into side-hustle. Pro the podcast that teaches you to build and grow your side hustle from passion project to profitable business, and I'm your host Kayla. Matthews Akot may salons get started. Hey, guys. Welcome. Welcome back to the show to say indicates chair. We have a Nika hops, the founder of Nubian, human Nubian human is a social enterprise that specializes in sourcing, unique goods fashion and art by designers, representing the global task FRA it has become a catalyst for culture community and the development of the creative economy by connecting the consumer to independent artists from across the world and serving as a means to promote collective interaction, community development and global responsibility through a fresh and artistic brick and mortar platform Nubian humid has worked with over four hundred artists in thirty countries across six different continents to date, and it has also received recognition from our forever. President Barack Obama the Washington Post NPR and most recently Forbes, welcome to the guest chair nica. Thank. Thank you. Thank you so much for having me. I am so happy to have you here. Now, first things first gave us a peek in your own words into the life of a nica. What would you like everyone to know? And when were you bitten by the entrepeneurship bug? Oh, man. So I guess some things about me is that I had a crazy background my background is not actually in retail. So where I started was pretty much. I went to school for interior architecture graduated from Syracuse university a while ago and. And when I got out of school. My mom was like, you know, these bills are coming in you need to be able to pay these loans. So I started working for H M as a sales associate, you know, which for me was already like I have this big degree from Syracuse. But I didn't have a portfolio. I didn't have a resume. I didn't have the connections. So I started working with age really really when they were really really young in the US when you say interior architecture. What was when you majored in that what what was it that you wanted to do? I wanted to become a non I still want to become an architect. But I wanted to become I was going to school for architecture. So it's technically environmental design. So we pretty much learn how to build in design the interior of spaces. Right. So you started working at H AM. And I know that had to like you said it was not what you expected to do after you graduate from visa recuse university. So how long did you work for H them? And how. How were you navigate your career as he worked for them where you're trying to get out or were you just rising within the company I worked for them for a let with eleven years, and they were so new to the USO. It was kind of like a different company than it is now so it was so much smaller that we really close to see owes corporate all of that is based in Sweden, and you know, when they used to open stores, they would bring over people from Germany, Sweden, Allport Europe, New York because the store that opened in Boston was like the ace store, and they have well over three hundred stores at this point. So one thing that I didn't really know about at the time was because my background wasn't in retail was visual merchandising, and because I had designed degree. I was really really interested in visual merchandising, so not long after being a sales associate. Did. I become a visual merchandiser. What exactly was what is visual merchandiser? So pretty much. We're the ones that make the store look. Pretty so all of that like, you know, how the clothing is laid out by color combinations. Styling mannequins all the floor layout of the fixtures and things like that. That's what we're responsible for. So that the high look vision of the company were supposed to implement in our individual stores, isn't it funny. How your background in architecture? You might not have wanted to be visual merchandiser. But I'm sure that also kind of came into play as you were doing that it did. And that was one of the things that allowed me to actually grow in the company. So I spent probably two and a half years as a visual merchandiser opening stores. So I would every two weeks I would be in another state. So I would be like in San Francisco than I'll be in. Chicago been Toronto opened their first store in China. And it was just like a lot of traveling in using my skills that I didn't think that I could use to apply to my new career. So that was really really awesome. That does sound awesome. One other thing about that, you know, because I don't wanna gloss over this. And I think it's so important to your broader story is that this visual merchandising, it is so important like they're literally h names that are my favorite chimps because I know go in there, and there's something about the experience. But what it is the store has been merchandise that I want to shop. But if it's too crowded or cluttered, or I can't immediately. See a look presented to me. Then it's like, okay. I'm just I'm overwhelmed. I'm leaving. So it's so to getting people to shop to have a good visual merchandiser. Yeah. A lot of people don't know that especially coming into a brick and mortar retail space. So like one of the people that we studied in college was Papua Underhill. He wrote a few books on basically the psychology of people in space. So how color the sound smells, even like the thickness of your carpet. Like what that does for people coming in and out of your space. Does it turn? In their feet to the left in does that make them feel uncomfortable? I've just always been fascinated by that process people in space. So luckily that fifty thousand dollars a year did pay off. Agreer? Yes now when did the seeds for Nubian human start taking Rupe? You know? It's really interesting because when I graduated and I started working agent in. There was myself and one of my best friends were still really really close now and a sore of mine sh we we would come together we were just all like we want to start businesses. So it was probably really early out of college that was like working at agent, and I'm like coming into the stores, and I'm like, you know, we're always dealing with, you know, pencil skirts in blouses and pants, but in my travels, I would find like amazing amazing, jewelry and fashion by all of these independent artists. And my thing was, you know, when I try to find them again, I wouldn't be able to in this before you know, when everybody had their own website. So it was kind of like, how do I find everyone? And I was like I'm gonna make my own store all these beautiful things that I really. I really love that everybody keeps asking about. So really early on. I would say I started to get that bug. Like, we would start to read business books together like black enterprise business book that was like the first one we read, and we just kind of kept telling each other accountable to our dreams. That's so awesome to have that. So it was kind of like a little mastermind guys. We're keeping each other countable now when that seed start to take root what plan did you start to put into action? What pieces did you know you wanted to have together before you started this? I think for me was was I was, you know, heavy on the creative design side because I was right at a school. That was you know, because I was basically dealing with artists visual merchandisers. But as a business person, I didn't really have an understanding of that process. So even as I grew with agent know, once I became, you know, like store manager like visual manager of a store in the district. I just really focus. On learning the business side, you know, like how many units per transactions? Should we have was the average dollar sales? How do we measure success in? How do we create business goals in? So I would take classes I did like score which they didn't really understand, you know, it's kind of like old white men who didn't. Can you break down? What score stands for again. I know we've a few guests I've mentioned, but I always like to remind. I actually I'm not sure what score what the acronym of score. Is here. Look it up while you speak you guys. So, you know, real time real time action right now share what it provides each city. Yes. A wet there. There is a location city. So basically, they're more. So like retired business people who who dedicate their time to those at wanna get into business. So they help with like your business plan your marketing plan if you don't understand counting. How to understand a profit and loss statement balance sheet? So basically, they kind of help you build your business. They give you resources and things like that. Okay. I don't think stands for anything you guys. But yes. Courthouse. Small businesses and provides all these resources and right now, you know, actually, no friends who volunteer for score work with score. So it's not just old people anymore. I mean in the early. So that's good. What kind you took some classes with score? Yeah. And I would just, you know, basically, it was it was a huge conflict of interest was taking these classes in getting this advice at night because I was in retail. It was it was a conflict of interest. But you know, you gotta do what you gotta do. But yet, and I mean anything throughout the business. I would just Bank that information. So with agent immuno were sitting in our meetings in you know, we go over with a country level teams. We would go over information. I was just pretty much learning like process, you know, like you learn what how they work through their season. How do they work with old stock? How do they come up with new brands would do they need to activate a campaign? Like, I said because of the time it was so small you were able to see so much in learned a lot from the entire team there from store level to corporate level because we were so close and also with the company also relocated. So I knew that I wanted to be where newbie human is focused on people of colors. I wanted to be. I was located in Boston. That's where I'm from. And I wanted to be further down south, my family is from Alabama. So they're further down south end. I wanted. To be in a community that looked like me. I wanted basically, you know athlete that the store the mission in everything is sit surrounded south with people of color. Yeah. So they were to relocate me to Atlanta or DC, and I chose DC. So that's how I ended up there for H relocated. You in a as you were you mentioned that you open the Boston store as you were doing that where you'll see also making note of what it takes the real estate side of brick and mortar what it takes to choose a location. Make sure it's a prime location in all of that. Yeah. That was a huge part of the process. I was looking at retail spaces in Boston in that time knew at that point that I wanted to be further down south because in Boston there really wasn't the space that I was looking for within the communities that I wanted to be in though. I just figured like down south would have a larger basically impact of what you know, what why was trying to do. So now about how long did it take you from the time you relocated to DC to actually physically open newbie human? So I came to DC in two thousand at the end two thousand nine in. I opened Nubian human stop working for in two thousand twelve I took a year off in the opened in two thousand thirteen so it took about four years, but it was a great opportunity to learn the retail market here. So it's it's different in every state. You know, so I was able to really learn through eight and a half dollars. You know, how staff works in the DC area the DMV area, which I didn't know before. So DC Virginia Maryland stores with stores that I had once I moved down here is the district manager and just learning. They're hiring process in how people work. I was used to Boston. I was used to New York, which is quick fast. You know, like get it done. But it's further south. So it's a little bit different. So I got to learn that while I was you know, since I've been here. So I took that. And then I elected twenty twelve I would you do you mentioned you take a year old? So how did you prepare for your leave? Did you have a lot in savings at that time and then to support yourself while you the store wasn't bringing income. It didn't even was fully developed yet. And then you still working for for each nominee more. Right. So pretty much. My dad was really really good acceding. So he taught me how to to save money like basically live below your means. So because I was traveling so much I would get paid per diem. You know, so they would feed me pretty much for lunch breakfast dinner, and then any type of transportation needs. And you know, I mean, I don't eat like a hundred dollars a day while traveling. So I would save it. So. Oh for pretty much. I would say for about eight years out of the eleven years that I was there. I was saving and because I became a district manager. I was a district manager for about four five years. We had a company car we had a company cell phone. So there was just things that I could just I wasn't driving my personal car. I could have the most basic cell phone plan because I had company foam though, I was able to just save a lot. So when I left I had about forty thousand dollars in cash savings how and when did you know, it was time to pull that trigger and leave? My goodness. I'm you know, it was it was it was a really pivotal point for me. So my dad lived in New Mexico at the time, and he was really really sick. So I had to move him to Maryland. Which is where I live in. That was a huge process for me because I was out of work for about a month in a half getting him set up and getting him back. Well, and when I. Returned had a new had a new boss, and he was pretty much like I need you to give one hundred twenty five percent. And after coming off with a, you know time that I had with my dad, and then we also had the biggest district at the time. So we had the most doors. It was close to thirty stores that we were managing. It was kind of like, I just don't have it. And I told him the best I can give you a hundred percent, but anything past that I can't do. And I just knew that. This was a new manager who came in with fire, and I just didn't have it. And I kinda felt that way before you know, I've been a district manager for a while in the next position that they wanted me in was in New York, and I couldn't move to New York because I had just moved my dad, so which would have been the perfect job because it was basically laying out the it was doing the interior architecture. You know, the drawings and stuff for new stores, which is like what I went to school for. But I wasn't able to take that job in kind of felt like I was at a dead. End in my energy was tired salves. Like next day. I came in and I gave him my letter you while and when you say your energy was tired, but you still had this fire for your business idea. Oh, yeah. I mean that was new, you know, and I always felt like I had fire for the mice staff in my team. They worked really hard for me at HMO, you know, some of them I actually hired for new being human. But look at that. But. You know, I just I did have a fire for that. I knew that. There was a market. I knew that there was an opportunity for. So I didn't see it around me at the time. It wasn't as popular as it is now. So that's labs like need to get on this. And you know, I would talk with my controller who basically is the accountant for your district. So we would work hand in hand. So I'd be like can I go now in so he would basically break down. The math remains like I think it's a good time in. I'm like, I'm out a right foot. Speaking of breaking down the math in a good time. Now, what was always interesting to me is okay. It's one thing to save. But was there stress when she left and you're saving starts to dwindle. You know? What did you do? How did you feel as you're starting this new business concept and its depleting the savings? Yeah. Good question. I so for little bit outside. I think maybe three or four months out of the year. I actually started working for restoration hardware. Okay. Because I got so nervous seeing. The account go down that I was like, oh, man. I need to do something because I'm still paying rent. I still have to eat. I still have car insurance. So I started working for them for like four months, which was really really great because I got to learn about hard goods. I got to learn about basically luxury because I was so used to fast fashion, and they have a really great culture, really really great culture that it's really really inspiring. So I learned a laughing in that short amount of time. But yet I had to work. I was like I need to to work quick. So I mean, the forty thousand obviously wasn't all gone, but I needed still start up money. And, you know, one of the one thing I love about this fact that you worked for retail and initially as someone who graduates from, you know, private university or just college in general, it's almost it's looked down upon but these are businesses that were founded by people like this. This is another place where you can be on the ground learning. There is no job. That is beneath anyone like there's something to learn from that. And now look at you starting would could be the next H M restoration hardware. You know what I mean? And so kudos to you girl. Now, let's talk about the early days. So you quit your working your you keeping up the cash flow. What were you doing to start new being human where you sourcing? You know, researching locations where you starting to source artists at that point. Yes, all of that. So I was pretty much like scouring everything I could I was going to you know, a bunch of events learning about artists I was going to university. So, you know, spend time at Howard University that time it area from beads Bharti. She was our first I ever and. Yeah, I was pretty much working on getting the name out there and a built had a website built which was like probably not this martis thing to do. 'cause I spent close. Lsa like a thousand dollars on a logo and a website and the website couldn't even take like online orders. This makes. And then I learned shop by when you thirty dollars a month. I mean, you living learner. Yes. Exactly. So you were online first. So when did you decide to open a brick and mortar? So, you know, actually, I wanted a brick and mortar before online and everybody was like, no, you gotta have a website. So I was like, okay. But but yet so not long at probably about seven eight months after I became online is when opened the brick and mortar, but I spent a lot of time like hustling like I was pretty much. I was making my own jewelry, which was not good at all. Like, it's not good people still wear it. I'm like, I can't believe those airings still held together. They're not falling apart L Y. Gosh, I started with one was like a feather earing, and they were just kinda like hot glued together. And if it rain it was like goodbyes, he of Iran like it was bad. But you know, some of them were pretty good. But what was the original concept? This is a marketplace for goods and artists across Africa's, bro. Yeah. I mean, I would go to bam. Every summer in Brooklyn. Bam is. It's the Brooklyn arts museum. They have a dance festival is African dance festival every year. And I would go to like their marketplace. Every summer, I think it might be in July. Maybe and back then it was so huge and people were doing the contemporary looks on car like fifteen years ago, you know, twenty years ago. Nobody really knows that. But because it wasn't as huge here in the states over Instagram was like big. Yeah. Yeah. It was before all of that. So I would see brands like, Harry, it's our to ego. She was doing you know, pieces that were already like that. And I'm like man, like, how do I get this to the masses? That was my thing is like how to how do we get people to know though, you know, my thing was just like being out there. Talking to these artists getting their information, even in because social media became the internet. Help the world to kinda. Become small. It was like, you know, reach out to artists like Tina, LA Bondi. She's located in the UK in London. You know, she was one of the first designers that we had in the store, and it was just like can I buy your stuff and she's like okay in in? That was it. You know, there was no real process to it at the time. And how does it work as far as the process of actually fulfilling the goods to the customer? Are you the middle person? Or is it strictly you're connecting them to artists in it? Then it's happening and they're responsible for fulfillment. Yeah. I mean before before I had a buyer on my team. It was pretty much me reaching out to artists speaking directly to them, and then them sending a line sheet or pictures of whatever they had and then I'm just straight buying from them. But you know, as we've gotten bigger now that I have a buyer. You know, we talk about we negoti were able to negotiate pricing about working on shipping international shipping, which is huge for us. So it's a little bit of a diff-. Process. Now, we actually have a purchasing agreement that might turn is created. So this is a real process, and as you were starting out the online process and people started buying things like that. Were you ever intimidated by the whole brick and mortar aspect of it because that takes a chunk out of the revenue? Yeah. I mean, it was huge. You didn't. He really can't don't realize how quickly money goes when to start buying inventory. But opening a store was not scary part because I had spent all those years with agent him opening stores. Also, I knew that process. The scary part was like, okay. So how do we stay open? You know, how do we stay relevant? Oh, I literally would be out in the streets out be at the store all day in if there were events at Howard University. If it's homecoming, I was that girl that was at the lead out passing out fliers. I don't care if it was cold any party that new was happening any event, I was there passing out flyers or I was bending, and I was bending like anywhere that I could just so people knew the name that was like the biggest thing for me anywhere in the DMV. I needed people to know the name of Nubian human, especially before I even opened it was kind of like a big ramp up. Like, we're opening a store opening a store. So when we did over. The doors. We had a really great turnout. Tell us about this face because this is this is not your average space. This ain't no h nem. This is no restoration hardware. So walk the listeners through like give them a visual and just the aroma and the aura of when they step through the doors of Nubian human. Yes. A we tried to basically make space of black excellence. So from the smell you smell soaps from buying soaps, which you know, I said on radio it, smells like happen. So you fighting mango grapefruit black so you can smell the shape butters, you can smell everything. And you know, we make sure that we have music that we can all connect to you know. So it's awesome to see people singing afro beads, or, you know, singing, do it's you know, we really make sure that we connect people on the the sonic part of it too. And then just visually. It's we really liked to have order. We like to have things where they're supposed to. Be a lot of our stores by color combinations departments. And we'd like for people on average people spend about twenty five minutes in the store because we want you to stay pick up. Turn it around smell it. Read the label ask questions, let's talk about with that print came from. Let's talk about the ingredients in this product in how it can help you. So for us customer services, huge we know that as people of color, we kinda have this, you know, label of not providing good customer service. So we want you to feel like you're at home. You have a conversation with the sister brother, and we're here to support you in connect you, and you know, basically make you feel good about where you're voting your dollar to be. So that's our big. Did you utilize any funding resources to open up the space? I didn't actually so that all of that was basically from my father did lend me a few thousand dollars, which I had to pay back. See that is the difference between us and some other entrepreneurship show. Right. We got we got to give that back. But then just pretty much use my savings than anything that the store brought in put right back into the company. So I didn't start paying myself until like probably a year or so ago we've been in business for five years. So yeah. But I am at this point looking into other options because we're opening a storm Baltimore. What would you say are your biggest categories, and how do you manage the inventory? Now, you have a buyer you mentioned that, but how do you make it? So that your customers know what to expect? So we do a lot of study in research. So we look at our numbers a lot. You know, we try to understand the customer journey as much as possible. We try to understand what they like when they buy it. So you know for us. It was like I would buy all this clothing in the holiday season thinking that people wanna buy clothing, but during that time people are looking for gifts. So then, you know, we kind of altered shifted how we do our buying during the seasons our peak season for a lot of people when it comes to apparel. You know is the holidays, but for us it's the summer because when people think about African fabric on crowd. I think summer they think spring or summer so for us, we have increased apparel. Purchasing in the summer. So a lot of it is just really thinking about how does our customer by. And then online we realized you know, like clothing a little bit harder for us to sell a line. So we really focused on having more of the beauty products and a gifts online. So any of the homeware candles things. Like that we ended up turning a lot better on online stores, and when did you incorporate the events. Honestly, we opened in September. October was our first it was our first trunk show. You know, just as you as soon as you get in you realize if nobody's coming in the new kind of have dead space. Right. No. You can't just look at your physical space is just for this one thing it has to be a multi stream space. So I was like, okay. We'll let start having shrunk shows. And then let's start having private events and then book readings and things like that. So what could we continuously do to get people in the store? So literally the for the month after I opened our first trunk shown. I think that is so smart because foot traffic is something that Oprah can mortars a struggle with right now. And if you're not giving a compelling reason for people to come into your store. It's like they won't know that any of those things are there. Now once they're there. They'll happily buy stuff because they're like, oh, I didn't know this was here. But how do you get them there? Especially with the challenge of you know, were already east of the river, which is, you know, not the heart of DC in across the river. But we're still in DC, and they were inside of a building east of the river. So they are couple barriers to entry that were completely aware of. So that's why events became really huge for us to when you were thinking of when you're looking for a location. What made you settle in that location and the neighborhood itself was important to you to be in that specific neighborhood. You know, I was looking in different. So actually, I was looking in Maryland for a little while in that was looking in another part of DC for a very long time in there was nowhere that kinda was like, okay. This is where I feel really really good at that. I didn't have to do a lot of work in. And so my mentor was like will want to try the anacostia art centers. I said, okay. I'll try there which is totally interesting thing because about a year and a half before I had actually signed. My least there I had done a vending event inside that space had no idea that it will end up going to be. But they had totally renovated. It was turn key. And it was just really really great opportunity for someone who was just learning brick and mortar. So it was it was a perfect opportunity. So yet, so since then we've we've expanded we've doubled the size of our space through a grant that we received, but was definitely like a good opportunity. Okay. And was that grant the those something you apply for was it through another organization like score? No, it was actually through DC DC government. So we applied for the grant it's called the great DC grey streets grant, which is four brick and mortar stores and we received fifty thousand dollars to make some capital improvements. So that's awesome. Yeah. It helped allot it helps a lot the face any mental or physical roadblock through this whole process. You know, you sound. Very resilient and also very determined. Like, you were just one track mind tunnel vision. Let's get this open. But were there any roadblocks that made you ever just feel like quitting or like it wouldn't happen? Not so much on this side of the opening part. I think some of the mental roadblocks as far as like once I was opened was you know, like, how do I stay cool in? How do I manage all of this? How do I manage so much? So, you know, you're the sales associate your the store manager. You're the customer service person managing online. I think a lot of times like for me for a while. I didn't really realize like your online store is actually a store, and you also have your brick and mortar stores you have to stores, and I didn't look at it like that. So it was kind of like I was stretched in a lot of different places. And from me is just a lot of mental fatigue. You know, learning your accounting like math is so huge in retail that you know, it was like bookkeeping I was falling behind on taxes. I was falling behind on especially in DC when you have a brick and mortar there so many diffe-. Different taxes that come throughout the year Utah. You're like, oh my gosh. How to keep up? So I think for me it was a mental fatigue of like, just handling everything, you know. And I think also because I'm an only child, and I'm you know, there's a certain way of how I like things instead of hiring people. I would just do it all myself. That really burns me out it continues to sometimes but burn me out, really bad. Now would point. Did you change that trying to do everything yourself? I would say probably about a year end I hired a sales associate and she worked there part time which allowed me to not be at the desk all the time. And so I was able to have like, you know, breakouts. Lots of time that I didn't have you know, to to be interrupted uninterrupted time to work on the things like the books in the research and things like that that helped me a lot. I think also once I started having a buyer as well because that negotiation that talking process with independent artists is completely different than when you're buying from somebody who's really well established. So tell us a little bit more about what the buyer does for the business. And would you recommend it for other boutique owners? So what are buyer does? She pretty much research is what is out there. And she handles the congress the conversation person liaison between myself in that artist in so she also filters through because we get a lot of people wanting to be a newbie human in. We probably only take about thirty percent of those at actually applied was so she kinda filters through all of all of the applications and things like that. She also supports with working with artists on like what we need in. What will also help them to scale? So, you know, a lot of don't know what a line sheet is. So we have a conversation about what that looks like or even figuring out their cost of goods and wholesale pricing. We talk through that process as well. So she helps with that part of it. And then like I said we do a lot with our numbers. So we break down our numbers. How much does it cost for shipping per item? What is taxes on this? You know, any type of that anything like that? We have. Pay. She does that process for us. That's such an important point because we won't get into. I mean, I mean we could into the breaking down of. How do you price for wholesale? How do you figure out what your cost of goods sold is? And the thing that I love about what you're doing with new being human. You know, I've heard you say that it's kind of like, you were focused on building wealth through the creative economy, and one of the things that we need to know in order to build wealth is what it takes us to produce a product what is actually profit, you know, like every single thing we spend money on in the process, and then we need to know how to scale that. Right. So how do you look at Newby inhuman in the larger scheme of helping with building wealth through the creative economy? I think for me, it's it's figuring out where the holes are when it when it comes to certain things, I think you know in the beginning. It was like I just wanna have a store. And you know, now, it's become like I want to build out an incubator because I understand that there's a need a specific type of incubators there's a lot of incubators out there. But I wanna be very specific in intentional with what happens through that. And then after that, how do we support them in that scaling process with getting access to other batiks that may be interested in holding their product. So I think it's for me. It's about seeing the gaps building the pipelines in order for us to to keep it going beyond just the small moments of interactions between each other. I think that's what's important for me like building that long wealth is not just about having this one quick moment of me buying your goods in. But how to build a relationship that we grow and you eat do that with everyone. But at least if you will get a good amount than you've done, your part and on that same topic. A lot of people lose money. In the first few years of their business. What it what was your experience, especially as you started to hire? You know, that was always a really scary thing. You know, like if I spend the money can actually buy more inventory, but then maybe this person could actually bring in you know, it was a hard balance. But you know, for the first couple of years, we were very very lean. I was very very lean on how I built my business. And then I would. So the profitability was actually pretty decent which is not normal for a new business or new store, we actually did have minimal, but we have profit. And then I would say between years three and four we lost a bit because I started hiring more people. But then also when we went through the construction phase, which is something I didn't account for you know, the store had closed with still was dusty or we didn't have as much inventories with that kinda hurt us a bit. So with the you know, it's it's been up and down thing. But you know, as of now, we are profitable business, which is really important, otherwise I can't keep doing it. But. Congratulations. Thank you. But I think a lot of it is is just, you know, knowing your audience knowing what people like knowing how lonely like it for. I think also for us. It's like not being scared to have product that was made by us that has our brand on it. I don't wanna be a designer at do any of that. But if the cost is low, and you create it do it like, Jill, fill the gap is what's important ios. And speaking of products, what do you look for you mentioned a lot of people pitch, Nubian, humid. So what are you looking for? What is the criteria? How do you pass the tests? So we really obviously, you know, we try to make sure that, you know, the founder or at least fifty percent is black owned or minority owned, and then we also look for quality goods. So basically if you were to look at us allow people categorizes as luxury retailer because of our price point. So we wanna make sure that we have quality that matches our price point also something that unique in reflected in reflects us as. Culture. So things that we can relate to words in in ideas, and ingredients and patterns that really reflect us as people of color or black people is really important for us things that you will not find at urban outfitters or at the policy or agent them, and what's next for Nubian human. So we're opening like a so we're opening our second store in Baltimore, which is really exciting at the end of the summer. You're actually the first no so son appro exclusively. Zoa really excited about that. You know, we've got some great artists in Baltimore. So we're glad to would just excited to be able to bring artists up there in partner with artists. There were also working on a non-profit side of the work that we do the we already kinda do everybody keeps saying you do the work. You just need to be a nonprofit. So we're actually building out the nonprofit arm in order to really really hone in on supporting businesses of color were also working on a couple like apps and things like that to kind of help artists with getting bigger reach to a bigger audience. So I love that. Now one thing I want to touch on before we jump into the lightning round is personal sacrifice. So you have a physical location. You basically have to businesses as you said because of the online the physical location nine you're opening a nonprofit and a new location and. And I'm all for it. Because like I said, I want us to be, you know, the the next great big retail brand owned by a black woman. But when do you get to network? Yeah. We're still working on that. So you know, what the interesting is is like you have for me. It's like I have to realize the I'm still working. Sometimes, you know, I'll go places, and I'm like will let me go here because it inspires me. I just really wanna like or I'll pick up things at a new type of store like we just had our biggest event, which is the black love experience on like let me go to restaurant depot, which is so exciting for me. Just to see stuff in bulk. I don't know why. But you know, that was still business. Even though I'm so I do think it's really important that you do have that work life harmony. I dunno if a balance is necessarily possible, but some sort of harmony with it, I would say the most time that I really don't work during sleep. But I love what I do. I genuinely love what God has shown me to do here in. So, you know, very rarely does it actually feel like work. I get tired. I do get burnt out. But I still love it. You know, my purpose is greater than just like opening doors selling clothes. So it is something that I do need to work on you. Do you do sacrifice? You know, I told my girlfriend's like I need to be better a better front to you. So that something that I'm focusing on you know, my dad passed away. So my mom, you know, I'm like, I need to be a better daughter to my mom, you know, like honorable each out. So I really do focus on try to be a better person to those than I am close to because that's important. They they're, you know, they're my rock. They support me. But we're not going to end this question with you be down on yourself because kit. Well, do the best we can. And I, you know, I feel that one hundred percent sometimes it's looking up be like, I wanna be better at X and something my husband tells me, which is helpful is that, you know, you don't need to be a plus it everything like the go getter in us will sometimes field so terrible. If we're be minus b plus in some areas, but it is, you know, it's maybe an in in high school and college. There's times when you can get straight as but in life is more important than the strays in. I think it's also important to get away. So like, you know in next week, I'll be Jamaica for about a week in half. And I'm just like, you know, you do need to vacate you do need to stop because you will have done it. Like, you will burn out at some point. If you're just always always doing any. You're no good to your business. If you're burnt out. You know, like, they need you. So yeah. Yeah. I'm glad already so now Trump into the mining around. You just answer the very first thing that comes to mind, you ready ready? All right, number one, would is a resource that has helped you in your business that you can share with the side hustle pro audience. I would say one thing for me was reading reading helps a lot. So like I read retail math very early in the game. And that completely helped me understand my business. That was huge. See I was gonna next question was been the best business book or podcast episode. That you've consumed this year. How I built this is my favorite this. It's an NPR podcast one one of my favorites. Yeah. People mentioned that. And that's the one I was saying like you don't hear about people giving back the money on how I felt. How I felt. Do you never knew? All right. Number three. What is a non negotiable part of your morning routine? You know, I don't really have the greatest morning routine. But I would say the Nanako Chaba for me is rest like have to sleep like at all. You gotta get your seventy hours of rest. I did that whole like no rest grind to you know, salt in it doesn't work. So rest is non-negotiable for me. Number four would is a personal habit. That has helped you significantly in your business. I would say asking for feedback. So when because you're the business owner, or the CEO whatever a lot of times, there's nobody to give you feedback you're giving everybody else feedback. But for me, it's like feedback for is really important from those you work with those in and outside of your business like that. And finally would is your party advice for fellow women entrepreneurs who want to be their own boss, but are worried about losing the steady paycheck. I would say try small try lean. I think that's really important like you don't have to like leave your fulltime job. If you can find a way to do what you're doing a small level. And then do it enough to grow it? So that it becomes profitable. And then leave your job like it doesn't have to be this big leap that everybody thinks you have to do. It doesn't have to work like that. I have -solutely. And so with that any co working people connect with you connect with Nubian human after the show. Yes. So we're located online Nubian human dot com in its H U E M A N dot com were also located in southeast DC at twelve thirty one Good Hope road inside the anacostia art center in soon coming to west Reed street in Baltimore, Maryland. So look out for that Ararat in with that guys there you have it. Maybe I'll see you there. If you're a DC. Lease. Thank you so much for being in the guest here. Having me. Guys. Thanks for listening to side, hustle pro. If you wanna hear more from me head on over to side-hustle pro Desi force last side-hustle corner to get my weekly side-hustle diaries chronicles about my own journey from passion project profitable business that if you wanna find me online at side-hustle pro on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook, no forget to join the site house of pro Facebook community, put aside hustle protests. See oh, four slash mastermind. And as always if you have the show to me a favor and subscribe rate and review on I tunes. Thanks, guys. Talk to you next week.

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Ep. 301: Talking Body Acceptance & Beauty with Megababes Katie Sturino

Fat Mascara

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Ep. 301: Talking Body Acceptance & Beauty with Megababes Katie Sturino

"Welcome fat mascara. Everyone it's jen. Hi just we'll be here for this episode. I know she's moving this week but she found time to squirrel away because she did not wanna miss this guest katie story. No i was going to do the interview without her and she was like you can't you can't we had too much fun all three of us And we're so excited to bring this interview to you so let me tell you about katie. She's a podcast host author style influence. Or you may be familiar with her blog which was called twelve style. Still call that. She's also the founder of the be brand mega. Babe probably does a million other things Why knows some other things she did. She's a former fashion publicist. She was a dog. A juror to the world's first supermodel dog toast. We miss toast dearly. And as we'll learn or you could learn from her mega babe website. She's a woman. News thighs chafe whose boobs get sweaty and who has body odor issues. She's not to talk about them. Which is why we love katie story. Now we're also having her on the podcast right now because her new book comes out and about a week. It's called body talk how to embrace your body and start living. Your best life comes out may twenty fifth to be exact but you can pre order it online now. We'll put linked to that will also put on our blog Fat mascara dot com. We'll also put a link to her site where you can find out all the things. She does more about her. She'd probably about to launch like five other. Things started another podcast. Write another book. She's just that kind of person cannot wait for you to meet cutie sereno. Here's the interview. I am so excited that you're here. Katie i have to say your account is one of my favorite things to come up with my feet. It's very if you don't already follow her. You start you can pause come back and then you get into it. It's full of great at fashion spo. No matter what your vibe is what size you are. It's really just like for everybody. It's really funny is very warm. It makes me feel good. So check it out for an artery fam- But i want you go back to like the moment that you know really kind of all began for you so you were kind of a handler for your late. Great dog toast. Okay so i remember toast style. Remember was the hottest thing such a sweetie Toast is really to the. Og influence your dogs and you were coming. Sweet joking know. I know group but just hearing it out. Loud is amazing. No no one ever i. Can i just say that. No one talks about toast like everyone wants to get into begged obey or talk about like big mice is but i just wanna talk about dog dodging. So that's it. I'm really happy you asked me. Yes toast was really toast kind of created the mold for a lotta. Then we could really get into influencers. But i know that's not really where jen wants to take scenario as as a real like cat influence or person. I really feel toes. Pave the way for a lot of great Animals and dill dill lot for also a lot of like shelter. Pets and everything. But you know let's go move on from toast but you are company toast to a man. Repel shoe if i understand things correctly and you were there on set and you told the editor like hey like i want to get involved right like i wanna be. I wanna be on the other. End the camera. I want to be photographed. And when you got the. I think you were like a little kind of like if you're like a little trepidation. Is that a word but Award right you felt that way but you got the shots and people went wild on yes. They lost their minds. Yes like i like chose was getting photograph earned rs okay. Let will let it sit in like let it sink in that she was at like a beauty shoot for nour's via propeller like it was like a whole campaign as make sense the salt tracks. Yes and i- amelia diamond. Who comes back into our story of a little bit later. I was like chiding her. She loved my love. My outfit and i had so many secret dreams of wanting to be on the other side of the camera but like obviously was not in a mental position. To really think that i was like you know what what if i just ask and as i would love for you to do a style profile on me and i might help people get dressed like that are curvier find shorts movie girls and she said yes and i couldn't believe it and then like as soon as the article went live i read the comments from girls and i was like. Oh my god. This is something this is like this is. This is what people want and it was. It was a real life changing moment for something that you said in the. Tell the story in the book. You know this the anecdote that i just shared you said thing you're like i realized my body is not the problem and that is such a simple way to say it but it's like i think so many of us ito who those of us who are not like you know born with those kind of perfect supermodel jeans and so few are You kind of think will i. There's something wrong with me. There's something wrong with me. You go into a store or you get a magazine or you know whatever. Look at instagram now. And you think like it. Oh what's wrong with my thighs. What's wrong with my waist. Or like i have short legged whatever it is that everyone has their thing and you don't fit like you just mentioned shorts. I'll pick that light. I don't fit that or like. I don't fit that like you. Don't you literally feel like there's something wrong with you. Yes and but with that idea that such a simple thing my body is not the problem. It was like a reading it. You know. i'd felt like it just hit me like it was the first time i i thought you know really. It's not that branson the novel idea but it was just like it just felt fresh. You're not the problem when we go into the gym. We go into like you know the doctor's office whatever is there's something wrong with me but you just like actually no. It's the clothes that are the problem and that sort of the foundation of your whole platform. The clothes needs to fit better or we need more options. So that moment inspired you to start of the twelve s style. So yes talk about that name. 'cause i i i was like the twelve style and then like will you tell the story because i i. I'm getting excited. Because i read the book already in on bike. I tell me that something that i am telling you that you're so i have john and i have done zero interviews about the book in a with someone who has read the book. Are you kidding. No mourned you're lost shot. Put career you gotta book. Because i because seriously. I'm had this stupid look on my face because i talking to people outside of like my internal little world who have read. The book is so incredible. That i'm having like a whole reaction over your so. Thank you very much. And i i did i. I realized my body was not the problem but that that is after twelve years of geeling show bad about myself and walking into every single meeting with this like no matter what i had done to prepare for the meeting or my whole outfit like i i had just i was like you're still just this fat girl that no one really thinks is cool like i just had such a negative south self image and it was all brought on by feeling like jim belong in that in that business so when i did see girls saying wow. It's so exciting to see my body on fashion blog. I really my brain broke open. And i was way i don't have like a giant store body. I've just been in the craziest industry ever like a really wise. The clothes and the people in the industry in the whole white trickle-down mindset. That comes from ninety s. Fashion editors who are like eating cigarettes. I wanted to ask you Is it when you said you know you thought that there was something wrong with you. What i was going to say was in your head or did people really make you feel like there was something wrong with you because i wanna know like. Did you really have that devil whereas product experience You you did spend time in in fashion You walk the walk You spent time in the industry. So did you actually experience like nastiness or was it like a had. No experience nastiness now. Bigger bill person so i always felt bigger than other people and i had issues with that growing up my whole life but i i. I don't know what my i don't know what i was expecting to bring that body into a world where why i couldn't fit into the i couldn't a close at couldn't fit into my feet confident to the shoes. I really literally couldn't fit into the industry. And yes i had. I had many many. Many comments made me over the years that that stuff. Just kind of Builds up inside of you and After a while you just come to accept the it's all true and explain the name the twelve style. sorry going oh yeah. The the twelve is style was meant to speak to you. I used call it size purgatory because at the time everything has changed since i started that platform so nothing is the same now but when i started it it really was like plus size close. So maybe you're starting at like a size sixteen eighteen. There were five close. Which really big really wanna stop at a ten like those designers really. Don't want to sign for twelve or fourteen or sixteen so it's that it was the middle space that really. I was trying to get into like you. Have you sometimes have to shop in the men's department. And like you're just trying to find hacks for how to exist. So that's it spoke to the size fluctuation in the size range really but that changed so much and do you think that for the better. I should ask for us. I mean question. I mean i think that the the who. I was speaking to change because i realized that will wind. I put on a significant amount of weight. When i was going through a life change and so i was like of that. Twelve this category then. I was really with like how to get dressed man and then also. I realized that i wasn't talking to a certain size of woman. I was talking to everyone. Size double zero to turn size twenty six because every woman fields these insecurities ambassador like i have like a size. Four women talking amazing saying that she feels comfortable on a beach because she thinks of me when she puts on a bikini or like. You know what i mean. I don't people don't say that to me. In that wonderful feeling amazing it is a wonderful yes and so clearly you were in fashion and beauty industry were just have worked but before you even got into your career and what was your relationship with your body like growing up you talk about the book how you are taller than everybody but was there. Was there a hatred love. How did you feel about your body. I was i was taller and bigger than everybody so i couldn't fit into a lot of like the cool like when i was like can i couldn't wear like whatever the trend like the trend. Wise a teen store like i just didn't fit into those little close So that was always really hard. I have like a full woman's body Which means. I had to go to the women's department at boston store and get things that were like. Not cute but So i had. I had that relationship with myself and i think that carried on through college where it was the same thing it was like those stories shorts. Like were you like had like your sorority on the bot like the bands. Roll down your like a sports bra. Like i just was. I was like i was. I was an athlete in college. And i was so fucking that but i just didn't have that shaped by never dead. What sports did you play in college. I was on the curtain. Okay i should say. I should reference now why said shop put in the book. Katie talks about how she's in the ninety nine th percentile for upper body strength too. She should have gone on to be a shot-putter but did not enjoy her. First day at the track meet. And i was like maybe you could have been a world famous i under. That's what i'm saying. I could've been a contender. And i i still think about it. I could've added an olympic medal on this long. Clearly you've done you've done other mazing banks including the blob which we should. We should come full circle that the twelve inch style. When you put this out everybody was used to seeing you in this. Pr role or you know working in fashion and beauty. What was the response from the fashion crowd. I'll put that in quotes. And you know who. I'm talking about the ones that eat cigarettes honestly it was. I got such a major reaction in as as someone who works in. Pr for so long. You can tell when something is like not gonna hit and you can tell when there's interest around something and right away. There was interest right away. People were like we love what you're doing brands. Were contacting me. It was like it was like an instant thing. And i would say that there are still places in people that chuckle at the whole plus is movement body inclusivity and those people. I don't think have shifted but for people who fell out badly or insecure or had been made to feel like shitty in the fashion industry. I think that they immediately were like ohio. Like we see a chance here and we are going to help push this. So i was like instant support from those people and felt very strange to go from pitching to like where if anyone ever worked in pr. I mean media is your whole. That's your whole job at your whole like those contacts. Are everything you so to have them. Contacting me versus. Maybe like i can. I like guy pitcher. This thing like i just felt like it was such a huge shift from you know talking about media. We know anyone listening to this. Listens to our show. We talk a lot about brands. Who have new spokes people who are talking body inclusivity. The whole body positivity conversation in fashion even near definitely in beauty. That's a very big. Pr story how do you think it's going in terms of how fashion and beauty are dealing with that topic. Well beauty is ahead. Beauties been ahead of fashion for a long time. I think in terms of inclusivity. And i think Even what was that like two years ago glossy did about like all naked campaign with coloma Beauty has been ahead and fashion is catching up. Very slowly catching look like it. Looks like la- johnson launching a two xl and it looks like i mean these are small steps but it's like a consideration that they might not have even thought of before goop carrying a size. Fourteen out can we push them to a size sixteen. We get them into a double. Xl like it's it's it's expanding the mindset where people didn't even think about it in our like wool socks that are twelve with stops at fourteen and now to like realize an open. Your eyes realize full world of women that are desperate to wear close. But it's complicated. It's not so it's not. It's not like our straight shot into success when you when you launch your extended sizes so yeah i wanted to ask you when you know you go to a famous italian designer or are famous american designer young. Say abc katie's torino. You know who i am. I have so much cloud like you know you talk to you. Your your your friends you know in in this business and you say jesus you guys are only up to a size ten twelve you. You know you know that you know women with money. Wanna buy your clothes like what are you like. You guys are crazy. And they say katie. You know we can't do that. What what did they say to you kind of like over cocktails or like behind closed door. But whatever they just they can't move the product or they can't they can't invest in in cutting the whole separate set of fabric and invest in. That is. That is what i'm always told. Now if you listened to a designer china taylor who like is very transparent. She always she lays out the whole fan. She's like were not a big brand. Is this how cheap are sizes inclusive. This is how i do it. The the money thing is just an. I think it's just an excuse for people not wanting to take it on. We visit make sense to me though because of were saying and i'm the economist here but like if we're saying like most of the american women are like a size fourteen or something like sixteen host of their customers. They're saying oh no like are a two and r mo we're going to move more than sixteen like how do they know that for real they don't. It's just that like so either. You've got like old fashioned. People who are who are making the decisions for like. We don't want to deal with these franchises. Here's the thing. Is that ben when a company does decide to reluctantly bring on more sizes A separate set of sample The cutting they had to redo everything they don't put anyone in the marketing and they do two seasons of extended sizes with no one in the marketing known in the social and like no be. They don't tell anyone and then we did it work. Do they never put like a size sixteen in their social media. Yeah they hired a sample model to sixteen and spent the money to re cut all of so the shot themselves in the foot and they said it sucked it was a bust. Yes and i could. I mean i won't but i could name five brands. Will john matt so far. Who are like we did. A try to wasn't didn't moves. And i'm like kay also you have to think about psycologically a brand who liked say Who loved zimmerman. Like zimmerman girls are wanting the client to where zimmerman and zimmerman basically stops at like ted if you expand your sizes in Open the door come in now. You can spend money with me. You need to invite those women in make them feel it. You're actually investing in a business that that wants to support them. Yeah absolutely they haven't been able to shop your stuff for you okay. Happy spring everyone. Are you looking for a whole new skin care routine while i can guarantee you're not looking to spend a whole lot of money but you want a fantastic tastic routine. Don't you okay. I totally feel you. I'm so excited to introduce you to flare. And be our new sponsor you don't have to do any guesswork has everything you need. Flooring be really focuses on natural ingredients botanical ingredients. It is vegan. It is cruelty free. It is speaking my language. And i know a lot of you really have very very very stringent requirements when it comes to know power bands. No no no kind of like artificial ingredients no sulfates. This is going to fit the bill. Here what is in the kent. You're going to have cleanser a rosewater. Toner a vitamin c serum and moisturizer an ice cream. 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They have diverse casting on their website. They have like two different model imagers like on on all their pages. Yes i noticed that mannequins of change to yes. Yes these are. These are the little things they just. They just did it. Yeah atlanta has new mannequins yup. Yeah it's a mate and they just did it really suddenly to. It's just like yeah. This is just target to china's yet target showed like a love shack fancy dress on like three different types of bus stop but love shack fancy gets back out in the real world has obviously had that education around like what it's like to dress larger women and and maybe they had like a pattern may somewhere along the line base day at asides jan. This is really interesting and you know it just feels like yet. We all come in so many different shapes and sizes. And you know i feel like i just. I wish i was not in any way like a perfect society right now but i would have killed to see when i was younger ito. Oh you can wear little shorts you know with your size twelve size twelve. Most of my life you know. And i would love to know. Hey i can wear little shorts you know and not going to wear elastic clam-diggers in yeah. Yes that no representation role models. Yeah right is so so important. It's so important God there's so much to talk about the part of your book that i loved. Was this little either short chapter by the way the book. So many great little parts. You could just kind of dive in dive out with said the amount of time that i waisted thinking negative thoughts on my body and then you list like all these different kind of hyperbolic. Like eight jillian minutes. You know wishing. I had somebody else's like ankles backs of the arms whatever and then the next is you know. Forty five ba gillian. Hours wanting you know thinking that people were like laughing at you and the quarter like all of these crazies narrows that like you know. Very likely did not happen. Where would just you know in your mind A du and the saddest thing for me but though it was the amount of i gotta tell you opportunities that you think that you. Are you know that you missed out on. Because you're too busy kind of like tripping out on your looks. Yeah i completely relate to that. I think of things that i was like. I can't go to that. Or i just feel thought tonight or i saw that tonight. Yes you know. I'm not gonna go to that party. I'm gonna feel uncomfortable next to this personal. I think gwyneth paltrow like this is like demented dementia dogging I wish i had this book when i was younger. Do you feel like. Is there a fast tip. You can give our listeners to just kind of like get out of that negative state besides you know. Just go hourly forget about them like what's it. What's a way we can no. It's it's certainly isn't like an overnight saying and you're certainly going to have those moments where you're like. I'm not going to that. I can't stand next the people. I don't have anything to wear bubba about like bat. Won't stop immediately the the easy not easy but the first thing i can tell people that have to pay attention to what you're saying to yourself and all you need to do is notice it. You just need to say. Wow i talk about my stomach a lot. Oh okay. I just talked about this a lot. Yep are like so you just need to start logging the negative stuff that you say to yourself so that you're aware of it and that's like step one. Okay you're curious about step you want. Wanna buy the book. Santa to buy body talk by katie's three now eighty katie. I'm thinking i talk a lot about like you know the. I have a lot of problems when i was younger. And i'm still carrying that stuff. That's what i'm thinking about. I'm like out of the woods. No way no way jose. I know because that. I mean my. I cried reading this audio book. I had to step out of the recording studio. And i had to start over. Because i was like the i mean obviously like i've done a work worker myself and i thrill out of stuff and i wrote this book and then reading it out loud. I just like it. Just i was like ooh this is. This is still a little in there. This is really. I wish i could go back and get those hours in those days and those jasmine and it's a who knows what what could be achieved by not those our those minutes. No seconds that you that you waited so yeah so yeah i mean this like. She's pointing at her line to talk about the line. Don't work out. Yeah but go go to step two okay so you logged to use your thinking okay. This notice it after noticing it. What does one do. You gotta stop at so the next thing you do is when you when you start to hear yourself. Get into that pattern. He needs to stop. You need to say nope not gonna say about nope not gonna do it. Nope like you have to. You have to police yourself like it's almost like you have to become your own defender because ultimately this is where this is touched on what you just said ultimately you need to find. This is where it's so raw and painful. Is you need to find the little girl that once in her life that at one point in time did not think these things about her body and did not like notice that her knees were shaped weird or that light ears were to smaller to beg or to whatever. She didn't notice that stuff because she was just too busy. Living life and we all collectively willow but like we all collectively. We need to find bat girl and we need to rescue her and bring her on the right path so that she like we and her and just live our fucking wives india. Stop wasting so much time on his body merry go round. That doesn't actually do anything other than she. Bus out. when you first told yourself stop it don't think like that. Did you feel like you were faking. It is yeah totally. You're like okay. Cool didn't do anything. Or when. I like i really hate also when people are like no like you should find good things about your face or your body that you buy your clothes and i was like. That's lame but actually it works like it's it works to be like a browser mazing. But you just start to you. Just start to talk more about the good things than bad things in end like it. I don't know how to describe it. It just kind of falls away. Yeah i hope. I wish that for everybody who's listening. Who's going through this. I want that to happen for them. Yes there's other there's other shit you have to do this man. These are like to like two things and then you go into the rules you have for yourself and you say like okay. I don't wear sleeveless shirts. Because i don't like my there. So there you go. You've catch yourself in like a riddle brisbane Whereas leave a short around your house wear a sleeveless shirt around the block wear sleeveless short to the store like once you once you get out and you realize like no one is looking at you crazy and that way no one cares and that your arm is our and like it's okay. I feel like it just starts to snowball and you start to like actually wait. There are no roots year. Like i can we. Can we talk about how this pertains to beauty because it really does apply to beauty stuff too and i look at your line. Mega babe and think oh. These are the products for all those stupid rules. That like you've just broken open for example chafing. now. I'm wearing shorts and like no beauty person ever thought about this clearly so many times i've written in magazines. People have been like talk about like thi- chafe like athletes have it all the time they were not talking about it. Tell us about the product. Mix that you came up with for megabyte like clearly. You were very targeted. I you know. I really like the thing is. We launched with di rescue in two thousand seventeen. And i it. It's so crazy that i had to make that product right by people still. I remember like there was like a vaginal product. Actress stat like no shade but like these like really embarrassing brands. Like the embarrassing or you could use like. What's my favorite one. it's It's some balls for her. It's like the craziest name. It's not future like not q. Yet really cheesy growth scariest up that clean. And so. When i did decide to that i was going to look into like making a an anti chafe stick i. I was shocked at how many he said. That wasn't a real business. Not enough people have changed to make it a real business sephora told me it was not a category there were looking to get into which i love talking about it. How safari jacket me five. It's my pretty woman you know like but ultimately we did we. We decided that we wanted a brand that was going to tackle those quote unquote taboo issues. That no one was talking about and we were gonna make cute and clean solutions that worked in that. You didn't feel embarrassed about i'm dying to make hemorrhoids. Don't take my idea but like this is the kind of stuff that like. i think women like. We need this kind of support. Because we're made to nearly of idea. But i actually think that's brilliant because i have to say to putter. Hose be ohio. I feel like they have ramen hawks about that but like the secret is secret is secretive dark. Yup yup and i was like non-tax. I can you call me like don't podcast which is like inclusive about all byu matters when i have talked about my but for like you this we get from listeners. You're like i don't want to write about pimples again. Jen and i do want to say that in a fan of your mask. It's la la But the rubbing of fabric against your took even just sweating when you're working out like i don't guess some people are prone to these are your tackling these. Tell some of the other products that we don't miss out on that tackle these very specific problems. What i actually find funny is that chafe is something i in our first several years. I think things may be a little easier. Now talk about it but like media. It was very hard to speak with. Beauty editors about by chaves. When we weren't even we weren't we were still like far behind in the body. Inclusivity kind of movement in media. So you're talking about. And i actually i remember like i just i feel like people spoke about it and they just didn't They didn't understand. Actually what it was. They must've been very very skinny for. They've never ridden a bike later. I don't know like that's what i mean like. It just was very it was and i was like no. That's not what it is for. We went to think thigh chafing was we end. Should we tell people like do. People still not know when your thighs are up together. You can get a rash between your legs. Yes you get like a rash. But people i got like i got a lot of. Do you put this on like under your genes which people can do. But that's not the main place that people are chasing her like it like. Is it going to help you get in japan. I don't know that it was only was without aluminum. Ham loop to get into a skinny jeans. This is not like your leather Lube so you could use it for. I think a might get massey. My point is that it was like having to explain what it's like not to have a thigh gap was like humiliating over and over to to have those guests that appointments where i'm just like sitting there That's not the one but this is like so It was it was funny. And you've also expanded into underarm stuff there. Oh i'm confused a little bit like. Does that pertain to body. Inclusivity for you or is that just like here's the problem. I saw that. I'm trying to fix. Now here's the problem is audit trying to okay. My my mom had my mom had breast cancer twice and aluminum in the in the armpits was not an option for me and for my sister anymore so we went through everything and we. I mean we. We could not find something that both of us liked worked for both of us so we were like well. Fuck we have a beauty company outlets make deodorant and then we really had no end. I promise you. I thought will make this yoder because it works for both of us and than like nolan will buy it. Because they're here for our chafes jack. Our bus bustos for boobs him. Like no one's gonna want our deodorant. And i cannot tell you how successful rosie pets wise when we first launched an still. It's one of our top skews And we actually just got into To to new deodorants that are totally different formulations for people who like what have realized with deodorant. I don't wanna talk about so long but is that it actually so many. Everyone's armpits are different and By what works for someone may make someone else just like absolutely breakout or like have total -bio or like all of our armpits are so different so we are aiming to make a deodorant for everyone. Yeah it's like fashion right like why. Why would there be one deodorant. If there's there's not one size of glass when i mean okay so it does make sense with your original ethos actually you. You just ride it full circle for me. I've never even thought about that. But you're correct in that. Like every armed is different. And we want to be your want so we actually have two more formulas coming out so that you will have four different formulas to choose from on in our line and then we're not talking about fragrance people like actual formula right. This is an actual hormones. Yes we have other fragrances anderson. Yep like a whole day and then we supplement with our space bar which is our charcoal bar. So that us under your arms which i swear to god i hate bar so i thought this was a really lame product and my sister was like an telling you. It's good and i. I use it every time i shower a we love bar. Soap at fat mass. So fucking i hate. Barshop gets gross. But it never even gets bronx because i go through them so quickly. I don't know and do you use that under the boobs which we didn't even talk about your podcast We're going to both stressed either. We're going to do Or two different things but similar Book bus just with our second product. Launch Free powder on natural that i wanted in a hands free application. It's so funny. When i think people want and then like people are like can you put it in a regular bottle that we can shake out. The whole point is they. Don't have to shake it out of the bottle and put it everywhere you can just pump it in rescue touch your hands but people wanted it in in a regular so yes to the gesture they call it in the beauty biz the gesture of how. What does that lamb like. People are used to with blush back in the day. they're used to the gesture of like swiping it on your cheeks with a little brush. It's just like mommy marketing. People terminology of like how they explain their reasoning when it doesn't make sense that's so funny that's so true. Yeah listen. I mean my sister is always like that product socks is not going to do well and i'm like you just wait a second. What i'm trying to say that. I'm always thinking of ways to do things a little differently and it doesn't always work like i. We made a beach formulas. mma like where you like a blue mustache or a rose gold mustache on and guess what women are not willing to do that you tried. I did but they they put zits tickers on. Though are we there yet. I know we're just not. It's a mahesh as french too far now. it's just. They're not there yet. But it's it's very funny 'cause we've given it. We've given it to summers but i think we'll probably have to just continue. Alas r.i.p think it's the mustache that people don't wanna do. I know but let me ask you a question. Would you rather walk around with an actual dark stain. Much mustache during your regular life like. That's what that those are choice it. Yeah i know. But i think like i think people are kind of like not logical. They're just not logical you're correct. I'm just saying that. I can't believe people rather get like asthma but i hear you will. You're lying so your line is tight at it but clearly your beauty and fashion girl regardless of your line. Outside of mega be. Can we ask you about some of your favorite beauty products. Yes i the browse. Because you said that i thought facetiously but i was like you do have the greatest brow i think i own our lying browse. I using this bike so brush thing oh louie od yeah yeah. That's grinder has a mono brow that yes. That's her stick. Yeah yes so. I've been using that and a really really like it a lot. a man. I'm trying out these trying out the the what's her gentle lions eyelashes today to natural for me which varies tunnel. I didn't know you're wearing lash out. Okay i need. I guess i think i need a little bit more energy in my lashes. Less she has other ones is she has a a lot of different types may be used more. Just got the wrong one yeah. She has a lot of different varieties. Oh good thank you. For telling me i would have given up on the brand Try another time. And i m o. Oh i am using a st la. That's right glitter. i shadow go on. Ooh yeah and i they won't they won't pay attention to me. I post about it about twice a week. It's like my most jammed question. Educate yours letters. And it's it's sheila. Look i'm plugging on your podcast. And they're still gonna be like Work with you but yeah. I love their stuff i use clay depo- dry conceal her. I'm just going to my whole face now. No that's what we want to do an mascara where you're on fat mascara like what's your go to mascara. Still looking. she her faces telling me. Yeah yeah you and everyone else. She's looking she's using wander beauty right now and The attila west west mitchell That big gold's scheck. Oh fancy nice win a fragrance would fragrance you like i've ever really. I have a hard time. Because i'm a sensitive nose but i wear lebow must twenty five or twenty six. It's it's that's what it is. And i wear it like once a year. Oh okay hans hanso. Because i hate the race soak smells on my hand like i really am very sensitive to smells. Okay okay okay. Yeah we'll back off we'll back off. Let's let's get to the fastest five. Okay this is a quick lightning round. Okay don't think like word association. What beauty product. Your unseeded really weird. What duty is do. I remember falling in love with. Oh covergirl shimmering pearl Lips check it sounded like you were making it up like up a product name at for shang shimmering murray was discontinued at that i bought like ten jerks i used to have like the latest icing lips at all time. Prophecy frosty let. Yeah yeah. I like that okay Which quality do admire most in others of shiro. That's yeah i. It should be something better. But i i like funny people. If there were one rule you wish everyone would follow. What would it be. The first thing that popped in my head was just be nice. So i think that that is that should be ed but i guess that if you go allaire deeper it should be. Don't suck your fingers at restaurants. Are we seeing you. That is what you're talking finger. Yeah like you've got an yeah like you're you've got jam on your hand and instead of his napkin. You're gonna you're gonna do that. Eighty who's sitting at the next booth can hear it. Yes and then. I have to be like his skin kidding with this finger which this is you have never noticed that goes along with. Don't clip your nails on the subway. It's joan clippers. Just don't yet. John clip your nails anywhere. But your bathroom. I feel like clipping. The now's is worse than the finger. Licking you're right you're correct. I'm just i. I'm giving you where where my brain came at now. That's all i'm gonna notice at restaurants you know you look around and i'm just gonna see like everyone. Is he dead so nasty. look out for. What is the most played song on your favorites playlist. Right now sucks attack by leroux. Is i the only. I only know the verse. Otherwise more adult. This came on mike. Some sort of like spotify mix. And i was like what is this. And it's just it's just been on. Okay i'm gonna go check it out because no one's talking about it's not hot we are now. I love sex attack sex attack. No sex attack okay. And if they're to be a movie made of your life who would narrate it who would narrate it. Yeah your podcast the importance of voice. I would say. I guess it has to be meryl streep back. That's a good course joint. You wanna hear her talk. Like i was gonna say who is going to play me and i think it would be drew barrymore but i i think it's Talking because she's just so dry and should be so funny a goody allow it was great. Is that katy. Qbr like third fat mascara host. I feel like she didn't so well and i've had miscarried. Child me to it. When she said is that it that made me feel like it was underwhelming. No it just it just. I don't wanna stop. And i just feels like we got to the end. 'cause you did your five questions and now here. Now it's that means it's over but as a third host. It just like a natural yet. We need to. Then you'll have down that. Do a apart to congratulate your hemorrhoids green. When your screen comes out coming idea it's gonna get stolen was the run. 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232: Beats & Eats Previews Martin Scorsese's "The Irishman"

Beats and Eats

56:01 min | 2 years ago

232: Beats & Eats Previews Martin Scorsese's "The Irishman"

"Live from the Virtual Lounge in cyberspace. It's beats and eat a happy hour for the mind featuring the best in conversation and pop culture food music movies comedy you name it and you'll never know we'll be dropping by to visit <hes> my kingdom for a host. Hey I've got a two and Nick Gel the virtual open it's tyrod and Nick Gel so it's beats it eats decorah talk and movies today and telephones <music> who use the telephone more back in the day than probably the mobster all I can think of Jimmy Conway Conway in the scene from goodfellas where where we find yeah the telephone booth over right outside the cafe when they were forced to use it pay forms because everything was tapped. My father still thinks his phones are tapped tie. I doubt if there's ones are still tapped. Nobody's been listening for forty two years. Dad Table. I'll go to say dad. I smoked pot. ooh. Dad Come on no one. You really think those old those those. Those guys who are listening back in the sixties are now ninety stolen van listening come on school. What are you GonNa do absolutely but you know it's fun to think back on the pay the phone and using payphones I remember using phones getting to the gangsters man. All I can think of is is is Jimmy Conway knocking over the booth breath. When Tommy gets hit he thinks he's GonNa go get paid and he gets hit and these guys are back. Nick these guys yet again so we've got Al Pacino. We've got Joe Patchy any Robert Greenlee. No she's not screaming and I was watching casino the the other day again. I can't never get old to me casino but Scorsese is doing the Irishman a story that honestly Disley Nick. It's coming out when is coming out in November two weeks two weeks have the industry on Netflix. I'm trying to figure out if it's I think it might be in cinemas tie. It's just a netflix production. I think you're right. I was going to be in cinemas. You people are considered considering the Oscar contender but you got these three Pacino Deniro and patchy together power forget. I tell who people forget was in Scorsese's first mob yeah magic mean streets Yup Yup. He plays <hes> plays a person from I think either Philadelphia Crime family. Many doesn't have a lot of ease in the movie a lot but I don't think he has a lot of dialogue to. We always with you but it's interesting that I like a lot yeah I do too. He's been in a Lotta a Lotta great films and just to just a great <hes> just a great character character actor. I loved him in Cop. Land in that movie was I love cop land but yeah this is about this is about Frank Sheeran who worked for for the Buffalo Crime family correct <hes> yes liberal. You've heard over the years. We've made a lot of references to Piston Pennsylvania Lavinia to right hand <hes>. I don't know if in in the book they will certainly referenced it often. I don't know if they if they changed the name of the town however ever they did do a lot of filming in Piston <hes> I didn't go that I know Deniro. Was There Scorsese. I don't believe Pacino was PECI. Definitely was was zero. Definitely was well. She was from my town so is Russ Buffalo no show of course I know the story was it I believe it and it was Buffalo Lino Nido. Was it not that introduced Sharon to Jimmy Hoffa correct that throw yes yeah very true and I remember Sheeran at the Kit I remember of course we didn't know a bad guy. You know you grow up and we're talking about small count. Go up from the small town. <hes> it's not like it is today where were <hes> and. I'm trying to say this in a way but if someone's gangster it's a different kind of gangster today. You know immediately a AH kind of penetrates personalized. Let's put it that way. Where as these guys granted I was young but they were around town. I mean it was a small town. Think think about a bronx tale when they're walking outside into bronx the Bronx and there's the cluster of Mafiosi on on the street corner what was what like that so he would always grab a tenuous grabbing a quarter out of the back of your ear and you know are taking any right so these are the the things they do. You didn't think twice about it. <hes> now years later obviously. I know what what cheering had <hes> at least what he has claimed to have done which is murder Jimmy Hoffa and that's that's that's the premise of of the movie is is <hes> Patino you don't play Hoffa shearing ends up killing Hoffa at the order of of <hes> Russ Felino so the thing is if you remember the Sopranos Tony goes off into the woods and they the all the mobsters go to this house in the woods and they have a meeting the raided by the FBI and and they're all running through the woods. I do okay so that's based upon Appalachian which is an area in New York. <hes> not city in the in the <hes>. The wilderness of York where <hes> they had a meeting of the Godfather to meeting of the five families well. This was the summit for the Mafia and it was rated and they ran to the woods and many many many many people went to jail. I don't think any of the charges doc because they weren't doing anything wrong. At that point. They were having a meeting but the point is you grew up around. You never felt unsafe. Save I can tell you that. We'll let me ask you this with a bronx tale. Remember see would go down to the lounge and work with boy. What was Chazz Palminteri Harry's character. I sorta got my family me. You know what I'm talking about. Minus two exactly middle face there was yeah there a lounge on just like in your city yeah there was a billiard yeah like <hes>. Russell had a on Main Street and Pitt Ston so when I was growing up they wanted to deport 'em. That was the way that that the. FBI was going out through these guys because you've got to realize this was not the John dotty generation. This was the it was probably between. Let's say Luchino Oh and <hes> the hell is <hes> <hes> Castellano past the Llano right so it was like in between those two. That era says very hush hush that was not you you didn't talk. I mean we saw in the eighties. Now is growing up. I remember that they were all over the news and the papers and <hes> that they were trying to deport him Russell Buff Cellino for think tax tax evasion <hes>. I know try to put them in jail. I don't know why they were trying to deport him to be honest with you but they were trying to deport him and he added a social club downtown pits in there it was attached to billiard and in the the windows were signs <hes> protesting that that movement to to deport him. I also I remember one time coming in so I went to school how God probably a half a mile from main street so we would walk down to me Taco so it wasn't that long ago high school so tenure thirteen years ago. You walked down to wait a minute now. I'm sorry twenty. I'm older than I think twenty so you walk down. Walk down the hill and you'd it'd be right there on the street. So you know kids especially in that time. When goodfellas was how you know you you didn't realize that these were really bad guy yeah in reality and and you found it to be romantic right so you heard rumors and stuff so me and my buddy. I won't his name but another pies on another Italian. Oh you kid we go down there. Let's go play pool because you'd be able to go in there and play pool again. They would be in the other room. You don't playing cards or whatever so we go down and I'll never forget it. <hes> the door was locked so anthony the kid. I was with bangs on the door and I won't mention the name but big big type zone tanning comes. The doors were closed smash. The door was shut since thought what the hell was going on. Now Hassle was already dad so it wasn't that but what was going on in there. I don't know but they didn't every other time. It was okay to go in there <hes> but yeah I mean there was a world l. Billiards so <hes> there's a guy named Steven Latour who is an Santo Volpi who they were like the head of that crying and not a mafia expert like just literally grew up in this town so they were the head of that family prior to Buffalo and they had right on means pits in there was Latour's and Volpi billiards pulls you know and it was like throwback back then I mean it was like going back in time. It's Sunni. I would not think of Pennsylvania so I'm kind of learning this as I go while an owner. We're going to do the show I just did not know. Pennsylvania was a a big very area but it makes sense right a lot of trucking to coal mines union only trucking coalmines union well my great grandfather he owned owned and five on the biggest coal mine in the coalmines nobody on the biggest coal mine in the biggest vein of answer sir shape in the country which was running through northeastern. Pennsylvania and so you know unfortunately that that billion dollars didn't trickle down to my generation but there was a time when they were very very wealthy so yeah he was a union buster right down to <hes> Hollywood. I mean he did stuff out in Hollywood for for the actors unions where you know. Let's yeah so that was he was union breaker mansard. That's pretty much what he did in <hes> but he owned coalmines so I'm trying to Parse. My words built <hes> but it was very very very well first of all. There's a heavy heavy concentration of emigrant immigrants because the coal industry I started out with the Irish where our area in northeastern APA was also really known for the Molly Maguire's tires which was like the the Irish mafia prior to the Sicilians coming over a very very large group of of immigrants Greece from Sicily settled in a section of Piston called Oregon will now. There's no Italians living there. It's mainly <hes> still immigrants. I don't know if they're legal or not but there's there's mainly immigrants living there now but they're just not Italian but growing up you because as you as the families that group that <music> settled in the Oregon Section Piston as they moved out mente made a big write off. They're moving out so when I was a kid head like my grandparents generation. When you go to toast at a holiday you would always extend origin? Tondo which is like you know years. See your wish your one hundred years of good success we also say Oregon your toasting to was and where you were where you now are <hes> and that section of Pinson Hinson was probably a mile away from Russell's lounge office slash lounge crazy crazy crazy crazy. Do you know of Sharon spent spent time there at that lounge oh he did yeah. What do you think of the idea of casting Deniro is Sharon considering. I guess he's GonNa Play Sherwood from age twenty four to eighty. Yes doing the I I think I I've only recently start to. We'll investigate the movie. <hes> this movie had been talked about for decades and <hes> really I. I knew it was going to happen when somebody sent me a so like I texted maybe a a year and a half ago pictures of Russell and they were obviously stock photos from the movie promos so they had the real luxeuil and then they had petchey next on the real Pacino are the real hot button and Pacino next one right okay so I know it's going to happen so now. I'm like how the hell are. They going to do this if it ends around Hopper's death which I don't know if that's the case or not I would assume it ends things around Sheeran staff because she on his deathbed is when he he's he he he said I'm. I'm not saying that he did it but he said that he killed Jimmy off the command of a bus so <hes> I'm GonNa do this. It'd be doing a lot of research on that so I found out that it's literally. The budget is the largest ever for a film of that genre. It's like hundreds hundred of millions of dollars mainly because they use CGI so the interesting thing was scorsese. Obviously we know his style of directing his pictures has always seemed to have that same <hes> non-digital Greenie visuals rate and they're beautiful and and I'm thinking how Scorsese GonNa Handle CGI well. I I watch with I mean. He said that's his only reason donald trump. That's the only concern he has is will the CDI become distracting to the viewer because because you're GonNa see Deniro at twenty two years old. He's GonNa look like he did in taxi driver or whatever it was you know our boulder. What was it oh well. He was in mean streets remember. He was yeah raging bull bridging poll so yeah <hes> they're gonNA put right back to that era so I would imagine that it's go back to the one thousand nine hundred fifty s I would think <hes> I know and also what surprised me worthy you watch the trailer type I did. Did you know that the references to Kennedy right where you know you know how much I love John Kennedy and the Kennedy family in so nope I guess fracture and said he had intimate knowledge or actually because Ruby corden well no. I said that that I think in a book he said while I was doing some digging for this right helps me mentioned while he was dying that he transported rifles offals used in the Kennedy assassination well. I don't know that it's true but that's what I said yes he so the name of the movie is the Irishman is named after a book called <hes> paint houses. Are they paint houses. Yeah I heard you paint houses. Yeah I urge you pay now so that that that book which I skimmed I I didn't read the whole thing but that book is about sharing and that was the code word they all had code words like was Mr Magoo so when you're referring to him you save Dave Mr Magoo now. I was too young but that's they would take. He looked like Mr Magoo a little bit so <hes> fearing was the Irishman but when they talked about taking care of things business they said we heard you paint houses so <hes> when he was on his deathbed he he <hes>. I can't find the word I'm looking for. He says that he I'm trying to say he. I don't know I can't i. Let's put it this way. I speculate on whether it's true or not. Not I really question it. I don't know north. Think shearing actually did these things zooey you what he says that about the good the rifles with Kennedy ready and he says that about God if I can only tell you who he says he says it about <hes> the rifles and he says it about Hafa offer while he's dying on his death in the trailer in the trailer of the film the Irishman I think he calls offer offer. Our HOFFA calls him and offices. I hear you paint houses right. I heard you saying like yeah. So Patchy. Introduces <music> enhance the phone so russell a hands on over half now of course. We don't know if that's what happened but I do. I will give little spoiler and I'm not one hundred percent. An accurate are <hes> accurate. I may be a hundred percent accurate. I mean not because I'm speculating but did you notice through the trailer how you hear that in the beginning yeah right and throughout there's like the meat and <hes> which kind of sounds funny when I listened back Tom <hes> it. Almost sounds is like a machine machinery. I think it's foreshadowing to wear Hafa ended up interesting. I have my thoughts sell. It's that we could talk about off air so in Detroit. I believe he claims meaning. Sharon claims that he shot khaw in house. There were blood stains in the house. I think those have been touted the the body right and those have been tested and they didn't turn out to be HOFFA's now. It was inconclusive my understanding because some of this blood soup outdated our our own rather but but with the testing showed was wasn't Hoffa's blood in that house now that doesn't mean it didn't happen there but my question to you is is do you knowing what you know about Sharon the reading you've done. Do you think this is his way of trying to be famous when when he was done dead well right right right right. That's why I we took it yeah when we all heard that he had said that I mean I can again. It's keeping my small town. Everybody knows everybody somebody unlike Sheeran who was not someone that would walk in Greek restaurant and everybody would know he was a quiet guy but somebody like him. WHO's was connected to somebody like like Mr Buff lean all says he killed Hoffa and assisted in the Kennedy Assassination Asian? Everybody in town knows right so <hes> yeah I mean when we heard that the thought was from some people he was on his deathbed making reconciliation for the crime that he committed because he didn't want to go to hell no I don't. I don't know I mean I wasn't isn't there. I know people were there but I was not there and <hes> it wasn't a call for for being famous because yes he was pretty much. All those guys were the absolute opposite of John Gotti and the braggadocious. I WANNA be a mafia fios so <hes> who actually pretty much ended the mafia because they were these guys like if you saw Russell Buffalo knows house and to be honest honest one of my very close friends his father I call uncle he's not my uncle but I call him my cousin he now lives in Russell and carries house in Kingston Pennsylvania Lavinia grownup nicer than their house and yet they had a whole basement was probably evolved of cash. I don't know so but I I to I would see Mrs Buffalo only died. Maybe ten years ago I would see Kerry at the cemetery. I used to go to the cemetery <hes> so so they're buried right next to my mic grandparents and aunts crazy green aunts and uncles etc so I would go there to Kinda meditate when things were getting tough in the restaurant business and when I was in the restroom night see her and she was such a a little little little sweet lady. It's all I can say just would not assume it you know so but truthfully like most most people who are trying to ah trying to figure out you can tell I'm struggling with words. You're just hesitant hesitant yeah. I'm hesitant because I don't want to say anything out of turn. I mean it's a bit as much as it's bringing publicity. I don't know that it's the right kind of publicity to our area on something. That is questionable that there's no proof. Is that your did this and the Kennedy stalls really there's no proof <hes> so I mean but everybody was a faction of people who said you know he's looking mm for for <hes> fame and there's an any line so that were the people who said he's a liar the people who believe him. I would say he was giving penance for his sins as he was dying. We don't know what really happened. I do know People Juno but I've I'm not you're not allowed to ask those questions. Yano and and what's ironic is there's still there's still people back in northeast. PA lives what's that were that were intimately involved in that in that are in the movie and I think a lot of the the living characters which combined and made you know fictitious characters out of three or four people so but if you remember Jimmy Hoffa with Jack Jack Nicholson which was a it was a very simple movie. It wasn't complex but it was a good movie. Do you remember that movie of course would veto and Devito was a a made up characters a combination of guys but anyway if you notice the last seating were. Hof is going to a restaurant and it's where he gets murdered. <hes> they make a very distinct point of zooming the camera in on the license plate of the vehicle. Hafa is put into and it is Pennsylvania plates and it's in and when I was growing up <hes> I don't want to stay with running dog because because you don't make joke over someone getting murdered but it was you know I'm afraid to go in the basement. What do you think Jimmy Hoffa's buried down there. Get down there break so yeah. I mean this isn't it was like growing up. He didn't know any different. I remember when that when that movie Hoffa came out and they had the license play <hes> people that I was watching with then that was when I kind of putting two and two together that there was this this rumor for that because I don't I was not born in my day so I don't think I was I think it was like the mid seventies seventy five seniors the Nixon Pardon hilarious and Nixon pardon two sites so it is a weird feeling tie hi because if you if you if you've seen the trailer they show basically what is portrayed to be mainstream. Princeton yeah yeah and it's <hes> Russell Pennsylvania northeastern was so entrenched that organized crime culture her that they created a commission call the Pennsylvania Crime Commission which was solely devoted to trying to break the Buffalo. We owe crime family and BUFFA Lino people. There's a book and I suggest you read it. There's an e book called the Quiet d'arme. It's a really really easy read <hes> and it's it's very good <hes> but he was the most powerful Mafia boss crime in boss on in the whole east down to Florida out stretching to the mid west and I know they were expanding the Vegas at one point. I'm sure went that far. He was very connected with Hollywood. I mean Ferguson entrees to come to my town all the time and if do you watch the the Godfather Martino who <hes> portrays the character is supposed to be similar to Sinatra of course Al Martino had had had hits of his own <hes> he was in a lot of people he was the singer and a lot of people's wedding wasn't the gods in my own home town and he used to come to my restaurant often <hes> Al Martino. I have a pig pictures with him. <hes> great singer is like Tony Bennett's singer and so a lot of them used to come Jackie. gleason used to come quite often <hes> entre yeah. I was thinking about that. An Al Martino Martino of course passed away about ten years ago ten years ten years. That's recent recent be great and do a show on him and maybe get a guest people yeah. I could get a lot of people I mean I get family members for crime uh-huh snack around a lot from what I hear stories get fabricated but supposedly his character Johnny Fontaine in the Godfather wasn't far off from from what out Roy Right. He's a philly boy philly boy yeah <hes> yeah he's. Philly boy and I believe that Russell is the one that that brought him to to North Eastern. PA and he was there he would come off and you team at the country club <hes> like. I said he was at my restaurant. God Dozen Times. Maybe a really very old nice at that point Roy. <hes> you know it. I I don't know how I'm going to watch this movie type. This episode of beats in each brought to you by post meets when you need red wine at four. PM Sushi at nine pm a breakfast Burrito at eight am or Ashford a ten. You can post made post meets. 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I don't know it depends on on how how sensationalistic it is from the the the trailer to me looks very dark and if they portray as very dark I'm going to be pleased because no matter if the that area it was safe for back then which most definitely was <hes> that was not a <hes> something for Italian American and to be trout off now. Maybe when I was in high school you go through that phase where you kind of think it's cool and romantic but if they portray it like goodfellas which I don't think they're going to based trauma trailers but if they do I might be a little uncomfortable with that because it was like. Let's be real about it right. Let's be real about what it was. You you know what it was was good people who did bad things that originally were to protect their families real family's not mafia families families against Irish Irish gangs that were trying to take over the coal mines these and in that case you did what you had to protect your family. I don't have an issue with that. I mean you don't WanNa. Have Anybody Kill anybody but you know I I know stories as of that time and you know it was different era so if they go into and make it very very romantic in you know Goodfellas issue her godfather one ish I and also how accurate is it going to be in regards to the people and how they behaved. I mean a lot of those people that are going to be in this movie. You know we knew we knew them from around town. So at that depends you know. I think I'm going to have a very big pit in my stomach. I'm going to be Bama. Gavilan who's not real pleased with with the the publicity that that the the the the area is getting <hes> because that was what it was when he was growing up he was involved in that but it was publicity came for bad things and these were people who did bad things to protect their family and then they became bad people who did bad things to get rich and that's where it changed right and they will ruthless. I mean you look at a guy like Russell. He was scary but he was pretty. It was really nice. It was quiet. He was lovable then that you know you find out that he was an animal then there was a was not going to mention names but his is and I don't think he's in the movie. I don't think must be probably accommodated characters because he was a pivotal character in real life in in that family and I'm not gonNA mention his name in but you know this this man was I mean when I say night like Robin Hood robbed from the rich give to the poor and <hes> <hes> but he also cut off people's arms if they didn't hi. It's that's amazing. You know this one thing that Scorsese has done in his films and I and I think you would agree with this. Were both fans ends of Casino. Gut Godfather goodfellas about like there's a scene in casino right where you see she doing these these horrible acts of violence and killing the people and the kid and then he goes to little league or he makes pancakes the ability of these guys to compartmentalize their their their lives. Yeah I mean you would go to church on Sunday and see these guys in the front row with their hands in the prayer position and and you didn't think anything of it as a kid now looking back on it you think they do last night and yeah I mean they'd be in the front row Q. Church they they were the biggest donors donate <hes> to charities and and they were very good to African Americans and gay people believe it or not I I mean the mafia invented gay bars. If you knew that off yeah I mean that's that's a known fact that the mafia recognize the fact that these people had to go so they created the first gay bars back in the forties and fifties that were like openly marketed as us as gay <hes> but yeah and they were very good to African American. I'm sure certain part of them weren't but so was your right you you described it perfectly in saying compartmentalize because how they did that is beyond me I could ever. I'm lying awaited his MOM. We Oh man you know. I just don't know how how they did that. Think about an I know runs in my family and I wonder or if it's a genetic trait from from back then not saying that they were involved in that but that was I mean railroad street in pits and it's now called Columbus ads. They changed the name of the Ernie because it was on jeopardy for the most unsolved murders in organized crime history Surrey simply by believe you. I was called Real Breton. They do to Colome south to really not what is one of the Nice aspects of this is piston my generation <hes> not me in particular although I've been a opponent of it but my generation so friends of mine have taken can over leadership in the community of Piston and Piston is blowing away cities four times their size in Scranton Scranton wilkes-barre in regards to business development lack of crime. You Know Infrastructure Community Events Events Piston is what it was when Russ was alive because it was a very very booming wealthy coal-mining main street. USA and after the coal mines flooded because of the Mafia the coal mines flooded they they actually did they he dug into the <hes> they got stingy and they robbed the pillars that were holding up the Susquehanna river and it collapsed and aren't ruined my life because that's why I'm not a billionaire right now because our coal mine was first to get flooded but it was raining for retail and he was I don't know who he he was connected to but you could google him <hes> youtube him and you'll see him on the Crime Commission hearings they had afterwards talking he pleats cleats offense and the whole thing and he's really really set my grandfather hated him for obvious reasons <hes> so won't on SAPS flooded it destroyed the industry the work work everything and and and and the city became a mainstream of boarded up buildings what it was like when I was in high school was that the Knox Coalmine master the Knox Coleman's fairly while no because I think there was like we did a show on oh who did a couple of shows we did. There's a guy from west. Pinson named David Brock who I went to <hes> actually I didn't go to school with them at all. We play basketball together with age and he's doing. He's a film maker and he's doing a feature film documentary on the Knox Mine Disaster. My my uncles in it my family's in it <hes> because they were obviously key to that industry and but anyway so when I was growing up it was stabbed pit. St- and you know you're going to get the leftovers. That's they called like the bums leftovers from the the good days right <hes> there was it. It was like <hes> think of the worst worst depressed area. That's how it was when I was in high school and today it is mainstream. USA again and I'm so proud say that so when I say something good would meaning if they do call Piston Piston in the movie and they don't make up a name for the town it is publicity when people come to see it because of the movie. Maybe they're going to see something really really nice that my generation has their fingerprints all over the I'm super proud and that's great man and you like going back. I know I'm going back. No I said you'd like going back going back home. It was hard for you to I mean I do not really. I like ah I don't like going. It is not the same place tie when I was home. Last time I was home for five days. <hes> <hes> you know and I and I can't stress enough how much I love to go home to see my family <hes> but I was hoping for five days and my my mom's and there was a two severed legs found in the Susquehanna river was all the time span that I'm home and these are not mafia prints people so these are <hes> gang crimes so there were two two legs found in the Hannah there were <hes> there was a <hes> an attempted murderer litter early a half a mile from my mom's house which is a very high end area of that that region <hes> and there was a shooting in Wolfsburg so while I was home there was a murder while I was home. There were more murders in a four day span than we have in Boston and a week so you so you could imagine and I don't want to bring him up but this is how donald trump massaged the <hes> got of Pennsylvania's in particular that area because that was such a booming cultural <hes> <hes> epicenter of <hes> and as the years went by because of coal mines yes because the economy but also because of I mean I'm I'm not being pretty saying it <hes> the mayor of Hazleton which is eight miles from my house is the one who started the whole illegal immigrant <hes> movement and <hes> you at Phnom of. I can't remember his name right now. It'll come to me but anyway <hes> he's close with all the Republicans and the in Hazleton Street signs learn Spanish at one point. Now that's ridiculous. That's ridiculous so when you look at my mom's generation my dad's aspiration my grandparents nation and then you look at even what we've talked about today my grown up to what it is just a short twenty eighty five thirty years later night and day like my uncle. Charlie will come in from Maryland souls father <hes> he grew up here and he just cannot believe you've how bad it is. It's unsafe and now the people who were alive back in Russell's Day. They will say when Russ was was year. You didn't have this going on sure you had people getting thrown in the river chopped up or whatever they were bad guys they deserved. It rained right and maybe they did. I don't know what I don't play God so but so the point is <hes> a lot of that comes out. I would assume that's a lot of the feeling I'm GonNa get if they do portray pitched in his pits and I know like I said I know they quite a bit there so and it still has that look like that's the thing when when an Michael Lombardo and a lot of my friends that have been a big part of the rebirth in the development of the town they wanted and I I believe they hope this but I believe they have it written in that. If you're going to take community development money you have to restore your building to or if you're building a building bill to a certain style that represents what it was when it was boomtown means for USA and it was tight. I mean they had the first Kmart. Okay was originally kresge which started in mainstream pits present. He's an store on just the tail end of the Boston store was there there was macy's. JC Penney's there was I mean every sears was a sears I mean it was it was like legitimately and then by the time I got in high school. What was all blurted up burnt down and probably burnt down on purpose those guys you know there are bad guys yeah yeah? This is this is good. This is all good stuff. It's great historical historical perspective for the Irishman Irishman and a lot of background so I can actually see the film and look at it in a different way than just somebody who's not familiar with the story so this is great stuff. So what we need to do is following its release. which is I believe later this month? Weenie tink Yeah Yeah. We need to follow up podcast on it now that we've done. Anna a little preview. This is great. It's a preview of the movie but it's also a preview of just how you know. Things really went down yeah and also I. I think it's a it's indicative of how Culture Has Changed Society and culture has changed <hes> there were always bad guys were always criminals but the one thing that those guys did have love and the lines got blurred after Russell's generation got older and either went to prison died or nursing homes and the new wave generation took over but back in that day there were rule. Yes you know and those rules right as a code of conduct right right you followed and it was you know you didn't sell drugs to kids you. Didn't you didn't ever take vendetta out on family members. It never got personal. It was always it's really to business and all this doesn't make it right but today weren't allolice. That area is Lalas. Thus the word so we're organized crime right organized organized crime law. I mean and what do you do like if you're Rudy Giuliani. You go after them because you have to. You don't know what it's like the devil you know maybe better than the WTO and I think in in in our case so I don't know about New York but in northeastern Pennsylvania I think that rings true not that I'm condoning anything that that those that Russell and crew did it very difficult conversation we we know people and and I and me being only a little boy on the peripheral on the outside you know it. It's awkward to discuss I get and I don't get I don't hold goes my father-in-law as me not to not to. Romanticize it and and I- trying very very hard not to in this conversation as really caught up in hype by the way. I don't get that from our conversation yeah. I don't think we're hyping it at all and I just think we're talking about it. That's all I just think it's a part of history and and part of history. That's coming to the big screen. That'll be interesting for us to analyze and talk about and it was part of our lives for your rap. Yeah Yeah I mean before you wrap and I and I WANNA leave it with this at and yes yes. We will do a follow up. I'll be in Europe going to Europe type. <hes> I'll be in Europe when the movie's release so it'll have to be you know mid October when we do it the follow up but or I could do it from Europe. Whatever n one thing I will leave what this Russell was dead. I think since like nineteen ninety three we I remember when he died. It was front page news every newspaper and he prior to that. I was in a federal nursing home so he was in jail but he was in a Nursing Home Susan nursing community so he had been out and he had been out of love control air quote for probably five years prior to die today thirty years later. There's not one visit home and I go home probably five or six times a year that his name doesn't come up once and that's no word of a liked his reference to him in some capacity whether positive negative or <unk> storytelling pops into our lives every single basis where kids and once a day but quite often is kids and I think that's what makes this almost. I'm wolf feels a little bit violating but at the same time I'm interested to see what Scorsese does with it because if he does it like I said in a way that's I think of <hes>. What was that movie? Donnie BRASCO I guess whoever whoever directed that movie portrayed the underbelly of the Mafia really really well and if they come off that way then I think I I'll walk away away from it and say that was a good portrayal of what I know to be passed out and <hes> so not via. They pumped up something that the warrant to sell movies yeah yeah what I loved about Diet. Yeah what I loved about. Donnie BRASCO is the first time the the mob didn't look glamorous. I thought on screen it looked like a job thankless thankless blue collar job that paid nothing absolutely you know you look at the Pacino in that movie he's looking for pennies and and I know when when that will be came out that was the only mafia movie my Father Watch and said that was accurate not that he was involved in it but you know grow up around around like a small town. Where it's you know this is more what it what it was because even the like. I said even the rich guys Russell you know a lot of those guys seeing this movie. They're going to be dressed up and glamorous suits. I mean just did that but we didn't see them in that way as kids we we saw them in the early eighties plaid pants and you know <hes> you know the the the old <hes> buttoned down short sleeved rush dirt with top eastern on big. I mean that's that's what you saw the due date they fit right in with everybody else and it <hes> interest just and I'm also curious to see what restaurant that is in the the trailer. I don't will fix creek. Goes brutal does or if they're gonNA portray to something else but he frequented did Greek goes where I worked and Bert Echoes and old forge. It's about five miles from Griego. Both actually I think broncos different restaurants. That's right now. Greek freak goes is still there and the standing joke growing up. I told you <hes> what are you afraid to act. Rico's carried over there the owner the restaurant used to always say don't spend too much time down there because that's where Jimmy is right so and you didn't think anything of bow there it was a joke. It was like you were left on the doorstep by Gypsies. You know what I mean like so and now here it is twenty thirty years later and and we're gonNA see what at least Mr Sharon says that he did dal see it'll be it'll be interesting eighteen and and you bring a unique perspective to the whole thing that that makes it makes it fun for me so we'll make a plan to do a follow up. Edition of Beets needs around around the Irishman and I think it's out later this month. I want to say it's like September twenty seven so we'll play doing something in October as a follow all of maybe we'll just do A. I don't know maybe we can do a whole lot to do an L. Martino Mafia yeah that would be Kinda. Martina would be good. I mean I do the people who tell my father. I mean I know people who knew him. Well intimately so <hes> the the Al Martino thing would be great. I mean I I challenge whether you're an older demo for the show which is kind of Nice <hes> so those that are listening <hes>. If you've not heard of Al L. Martinez go he's probably Shirley's on spotify. Some really really really glad yeah. I mean some really he was Godfather. Three things that that Song <hes> I could sing it but I'm not. GonNa Improve One's an Italian. The other is just a love ballad and it's it's beautiful whole yet a voice very similar to Tony Bennett in his youth when twenty now that he's older. He's a little raspy here but <hes> and still going. That's it baby. Let's wrap this up till going with lady. Gaga Man Tony Bend. I met him too so that was one of the things growing up in a small town that was kind of ran by organized crime. Crime was a rocky Marciano alll Martino Franks and entre these. Were you know whether they were around when I was growing up or there were at least stories of them being around Jackie gleason I mean they were visiting our Air Benny Goodman. I keep going. I like so many so many John F. Kennedy drove right down main street in in <hes> pitched in when he was running for president in sixty or fifty nine. Whatever it was US <hes> so yeah I mean there's a lot of a lot of history there and <hes>. I'm anxious to see how Scorsese doesn't and I hope I leave the movie with us with more respect for Scorsese than I had going in which is a tremendous amount to begin with and I'm just take away the <hes> the the coincidental nature of the closeness of the subject matter. I'm so happy to see these guys pests in particular who looks fantastic does for his age and but to seep Patchy Deniro course as even K. Tell Pacino was never ever really in the Scorsese world but having him in that movie I mean it. We're actually GONNA see real acting type. Yeah Pacino has never been directed. He's he's never been directed by Scorsese until now which I find amazing. That's fascinating so I mean and let's face it. These guys are old. We don't realize it because we've grown I at least have grown up with every one of those guys. This is the last time you're going to see them all together so they had to beg PESCHICI. Come out of retirement and this is like an all star game. It's great yeah. I mean to see those guys together again. For one last time is priceless so just just remember what. I'm saying about that back to the trailer. It sounds to me like a car lift of some sort or or a machinery. Maybe some sort of assembly line machinery sounds like I like and I I really. I don't know I have no proof. It's complete speculation soon but it popped into me like a cannonball like this is foreshadowing to where the where the where his body went went after Sharon shot him unbelievable yeah too bad. Google doesn't have liking for songs. They need a fire for sound there you go. It sounds to me like you hear those like. I don't know if they're <hes> if they're you hear them. In garage is for cars slot machine factories were they make ammunitions sounds like to me no no proo. It's no no I don't know anything at all. I'm speculating is just I. I run and I challenge you tie after we hang up. Go back and watch the trailer and listen for that and tell me what you I'm GonNa. Ask you in ten minutes. It's what you think that sound is it was. I think it has something to do with his death. Okay sorry so let's do it. Let's close this lounge and today it is we're serving San Buca and and <hes> Gagliano and all the Italian cocktails for for <hes> Charlie Mitchell who's opportunity to sterling Mitchell Okay Okay I. It's been so long mouthful what it's been a long time and he's serving it. He knows how to make that great. Jerry does all right buddy so open the lounge care lounges closed the virtual lounges now closed for beaten AIDS. I'm your bartender. Scott Mitchell job until next week. Stay cool <music> the <music> it the they yeah yeah it.

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EP422: Trial by Media, Wine Hero, & Whitey Bulger

The Brain Candy Podcast

1:23:04 hr | 1 year ago

EP422: Trial by Media, Wine Hero, & Whitey Bulger

"Hi Sarah or hundred and doing to how low everyone at why night just spent about forty five minutes shit talking a bunch of people before we the word I mean. Not You guys not you. No no no not. No not any of you guys just like everybody else. Yeah no me mostly like the van that has parked outside of my apartment where there used to be just one hour parkin and now it's it's now it's it's parking garages and parking garage people and it really. It really is funny. How all rules have gone out the window. I mean people park. There's an ATM and a grocery store. Right across the street from me and people park park in the Meridian people park like right in the whatever you call them at the moment of the median. Median median the median. I full disclosure. I've had to most of one and a half but we'll call it a meridian cares whatevs. That sounds good. Yes so they're like parking in the middle you know. There's somebody else was like rolling up on a Harley and they just parked right on the sidewalk like that wouldn't have cares when and I'm like what else so now. This this van has parked and now they live right underneath me living invade outside. Yeah they have a full reclining chair in the van. It's like a sliding one of van like an Astro van and inside is a recliner. So do you telling me they're homeless will? I wouldn't call them homeless. They have a van. Gotcha and some debate it to fight and then you said there was some sort of graffiti on the van. Now yes there was a yelling match between The owner of Sullivan and then what I later from. The fight was his lady friend of six years but not. Maybe they've hooked up but they're not together but just friends and she's very upset because he has a lot of bicycles she won't even give her one of the bicycles and she even turned down a date with the firemen to hang out with him. Or I guess I don't know. Somehow there was there was a sacrifice may also would have loved to see that going down that night the fire truck pulled up to our house rather than worrying about what they were doing when she met him. Must've been I mean. The fire trucks are here. Save so I like it. That just happened so I'm not kidding. I totally do I. I was just saying this to rent them. This is exciting. Who Needs Television and I was just reading this article in psychology today about how. There's this desire to return to like simple things. Yes you know which which and I think that is when when we get when the the I don't know not so simple things aren't available to us. Maybe it's just this this biological. I don't defense mechanism or something called gardening with chickens. So get chickens yet. I think we're going to get a farm what everybody's getting chickens except me. I need some land. I know I still feel like you will have it though I will one day goals and by everybody I mean you and one other person I know right now. My world is small. Susie well Adam grew up with chickens in his backyard so alles very familiar with the protocol. So that is a simpler time. Make sure you get the egg-laying kind. My mom made the mistake of not getting those. And then he's not there is and she had ten chick and she couldn't get rid of it and she was named them and Henny Penny didn't WanNa live outside. Why didn't they definitely talked about this? There I don't know she just got ten chickens and they just didn't maybe it was because she's never rooster or something. I don't know I don't even know how it works. Or maybe you're not supposed to have a rooster because then you get a chicken right. All right I actually don't know how we're learning. Thanks we need. Here's twenty episode but boards were. Oh gone hilarious. Okay huddles yes slur. Going back to their sort of this simpler lifestyles. Baking bread and get in chickens Oh my gosh. I can't look at how those Sarah Yes suzie. I love the hear tipsy. This is great. I know and it happened accidentally. I'm not even kidding. I have had one and a half glasses. I think it's time for two and you know so and I even had breakfast. I had waffles because we just bought a waffle happy about it tipsy. Sarah's my favorites. Oh and she is fun and Champagne. See Whistle better. I would've insert whistle right there. I wanted to encourage people. I watched a Docu series on Netflix. If you haven't seen it yet it's called trial by media would highly recommend it. What is out? It's a multi. It's a series so it each episode deals with the different high profile trial that always influenced by the media and the first episode is essential viewing for us because it deals with the now famous. Jenny Jones murder. Are you familiar with the story show? No she's not murdered this they call at because it was with people on the show. Oh I don't know this okay. Here's the back. I love this right now. So this scoop. Is that Jenny Jones. If you aren't familiar with the talk show who was very playful and a lot of times they would have like you know reveals on the show like so and so has a crush on you or I had a baby and I wanted the dad like Maury povich style but not so serious more playful and they did a call for audience to call in if they had a crush on somebody of the same sex so this guy comes on this show and the he has a crush and his friend. This other guy and They reveal it on the at the time. The person that was being quote ambushed. Or whatever you WANNA call it Surprised he was very good about it. And you know embarrassed and was just like I'm straight and not interested kind of thing. Thanks thanks. Yeah in. Jenny was actually. I fought during the episode. She was sort of like just reasonable. She was like how we would be where she's like. You know this is flattering. Anyway even if you're not interested it was just sort of lighthearted while you know cut to a couple of weeks later episode hadn't even aired yet and the ambush e went to the guy's house and shot him Oh and killed him and called nine one one and said I killed this guy because he basically did me dirty on Jenny Jones so now here we hold the police himself. Yeah wow lease instead. I killed him and they said why and he said because he had this on Jenny Jones so then they have a trial of course and it becomes a big media sensation and so the DOCU series trial by media explores the weird world of a talk shows be sort of reality. Tv and making people lie people's lives entertainment and the consequences of that. God and then it I really loved how it unpacked the problem of now it's gavel to gavel coverage on court TV which is owned by Warner Brothers. Which is the same company that owns Jenny Jones? And it's like even in deck are still exploiting people and using people's terrible moments for our entertainment. Of course we all do this and we all we all are. I mean I. We know I feel like that when they do sometimes when they do tributes does people on hug so awful words like. Do you really care you. Just selling advertising. Yeah I mean everything is commodified and that includes people's lives people's tragedies and this is certainly not new but the OJ trial and reality TV sort of ushered in this new era where literally every part of our lives can be monetize or at least public and how you know. When these people came on the show short it was meant to be fun and not violent or upsetting but if somebody has an underlying mental health issue or You know some sort of personal shame. Maybe the guy was gay and didn't WanNa come out of the closet and that is what I think. That's my I mean I don't know but that was my a lot. Because they said on the show. There was a girlfriend of both of them there and she said Jenny said to do you think this guy's gay. She's like no but he has said that his family wonders if he is oh. You can't say that can't do that so then you think. Well maybe he was closeted. How sad for everybody will now. I've been funnily enough. I've been trying to reach him because of my work studying and He had just gotten out of jail right when I was starting to write my letters so I I can only really find them when they're in jail because I'm not going to people at home but I never got in touch with him but it was really interesting and it does make you think about this shows that we watch and the people's lives that were using his entertainment and maybe just think a little bit more about that so it's really great that you practice what you preach o q that you know. Talk to them when they're in a place maybe. They need a little bit of companionship and little human interaction and be. Kinda scene and maybe a different way. Yeah and have their story told but then when it's their time that you wouldn't contact them. I think that's really like admirable and I didn't even think about that and so like you know up to my friend. Sheriff Hugh Yeah I feel like a different type of thing when you bother somebody in their own home But so like in this case Jenny Jones actually took the stand at one point and this lawyer said to her you know. How are you doing today? And she's like I'm okay and he said you know you're smiling right now choose like well. I'm I'm uncomfortable. And she said he goes. Oh you mean like John was on the stage when he smiled but really. It was like a fuck like well the ice to. That's a good point. It is because that's what in have reactions that don't match incongruent affect absolutely. It's a real thing and I always talk about that in my presentations on sexual abuse and trauma response because that happened to me when I was sexually assaulted by daycare worker in when I was interviewed about the by the COP I started laughing. And they said do you think something's funny and I was like No. I don't know I didn't know what was happening to me. That's my I was seven eight. Do you remember them asking you them yes. I remember where I was sitting on the couch. I remember how I been. Put my hands over my mouth. I remember how it then stuck my hand under my seat be rubbed kept rubbing the fabric. I remember the fabric feels like under because it's those. What are they called peripheral details that I remember? 'cause that was re traumatizing to have somebody basically told me. I don't believe you. We're getting their God. So you know. Wow Yeah and that's everyone's been in a situation where they feel uncomfortable and they laugh. I mean hell it's called nervous laughter And when you smile when you're upset I mean this is just basic human defense mechanisms but anyway it. Do you think in your opinion based on what I've told you that she should be held accountable that the producers should be held accountable or or none. Gosh I mean no they're they I feel like it's so unfortunate that we have to go through something like this. It's kind of like we have seat belts in car because people had to die in the car accident. Yeah and get thrown through. I mean it's so awful to think of it like that and to think that there's somebody that's like in a way like I don't want say a sacrifice 'cause that's not what I mean but that it takes something like this to then sure bring awareness to a problem to then create change in the people who benefit from that change. Come after it but unfortunately there's like you know yeah no no justice because the rules are set against it because it says it's like what are you going. What are the what are the rules? What does the law? There's a contract that contract I've signed. I know what say that I always joke that decapitation is written in there and that I always go. Well just let them gave them the right to decapitate me. I would always joke about that like the it's like I'm joking but that's the fucking truth like you're signing away and there's that did to protect them for any and all things but is that right like no and now now we have the now they do those psychological screenings after What DOES IT MAKE BILLIONAIRE? Whatever that show was where the Guy Bird? The winner finalist murdered his girlfriend. And so now they're like maybe we should give them some psychological evaluations before. We put them on there and so they changed that so. I think it's just a matter of time but I I I agree with you. I don't think the producers or Jenny should be held accountable In when they called the the murderer guy when they called him and said you know somebody has a crush on you and they want to tell you on Jenny Jones. It might be a man might be a woman So I feel like he had enough information to know this is going be. It could be embarrassing or somebody. You don't like back so I don't think it was their job to sort of Make it easier but there are some ethical questions about the ambush television in general. That's the thing is it's a matter of ethics Yeah and the only when I researched this the only other study that I was able to say it was a media. Ethics steady on is it ethical to put people on through reality television and the he concluded no my God not only one other one and it was done in the Netherlands are like Finland or something well around there. Yeah again people's lives as entertainment in whatever form be it a talk show or documentary or reality show. There are ethical questions and it's not black and white. It's very hard to know what is exploitation. And what isn't but I found it really fascinating to look at the and unlike the analysis of this particular incident. I'm surprised there's not more of them to be honest with you because being on television and having something revealed about you traumatic or it can actually when it comes down to like matters of identity like that. Yeah onto shame to Yup Yup Yup Yup but the the series has other. That's the SPLASHY EST episode. It's the first one and then after that they do are the two that I've seen are dealing with like murderers where there's a racial issue and how the media informed the public opinion stuff. It's very good. Yeah you would love it. Yes oh I can't wait. Yeah do you watch What's The basketball won? The last yeah. I don't have the ESPN but when it comes out on Netflix Watch. Yeah ooh. That's good. I can't wait. I hear it's really good. It is but you know it's interesting that I feel like it's good. If you don't know a lot about basketball will then I'm in luck right? 'cause I loved it ran was like Garrity. This old news and my aunt loves it like all. These people right likes to walk. Those thirty for thirty documentaries So good no those are so those are on another level I love but I guess yeah if you were like a big fan of whatever that specific you would already know it. It'd be like yeah. This is why I'm a fan. Why we love them. Why do you think I have the Jersey and I'm like? Oh my God I should definitely get a jersey. Another thing you should definitely get is liquid ivy You gotta stay hydrated. You gotta help your immune system. Be Healthy am liquid. Iv these little pouches with flavored powder that you can pour into your water. That help hydrate you at two to three times as fast as water and they're packed with vitamins. B Three B Five B six B. Twelve all the bs and you can take them. You can keep them in your purse. You can keep them in the car. You can use them After you've had a little too much to drink yeah definitely with. I was just thinking about that. I was like okay. I know just where they are. Which flavor am I going to go with? I think I'll do a see it's very handy. Liquid IV's available. Nationwide target whole foods and Costco. Or you can get twenty five percent off when you get a liquid. Iv Dot Com and Use Code Candy at checkout will sent anything you order when you use Promo Code Candy at liquid. Iv DOT COM. Get better hydration. Today at Liquid Dot Com Promo Code Candy. You can also find them. Nationwide target whole foods Costco Yemen. Okay twenty five percent off I know. Don't you love it deal I do? It's like pretty much my favorite thing. I also watched this was on Netflix. As well the documentary about divine the I guess you'd call a drag queen. Remember from like the John Waters Movies hairspray. Oh yes. Pink Flamingos Yeah. Yeah Yeah let me look up the big big Big Lady With the eyebrows like drawn on super high and real winged eyeliner. I'll put it on instagram. Because you guys all know yet when you see her. But the documentary was great. Because I had seen images of divine in memes and stuff and I've seen hairspray but I didn't know her story and I sneeze. Okay never happens on the air for us and you're listening to everyone. Oh yes I know her. Total out of biggest eyebrows ever were real character. Yeah my goodness I'm forgetting her name now. Her real name Harris Glen Mills Glen. Yeah Glen. He went by and he did not identify as trans and he did not. He didn't really identify as transvestite. Because this was just a performance persona for like movies and stuff. It wasn't something he did in his real life. Also he's just like He. What a like straight heterosexual male like. Well he is gay says gender always gay. Yeah he's gay but he wasn't trans in like didn't ever wear drag I. I see finally got your career. Yeah and I find it really interesting to learn about people especially during that time where they probably were closeted for most of their life and then and their reaction to coming out of the closet is to have a persona may be or Performance as an outlet. And it's it's just fascinating it's so cool to John Waters and divine grew up a few doors away from each other so they were that life and isn't that cool that these to counter cultural icons. It's like Paul McCartney so thank God they found each other because they created this crazy I don't know what you call it called Classic Movie Situation Fun Fun to hear the history of it. Do you think the like independently would have had their own? I mean yes away but reach that level if there wasn't like another person there to kind of like a little bit. That's kind of cool to think about. Sarah exist without suzy. Are we totally co-defendant right? Well I think in the case of divine that John Waters sort of gave divine permission to be that wild. It gives you courage you know when you have someone saying yeah. Just do it. Because at the end of the movie. I think it's called Pink Flamingos divine. Has this famous scene where a dog poops and divine eats it on camera and really did it in real life and it just came out of a doll. Oh my God stops off south real and so I didn't bring candy episode without having without a poop Combo but I don't really understand why that was important to do but it's like performance art that we talk about like right. This was a way of saying like they're doing things bit society would deem as Taboo Anyway. It's great you should watch it but you know what I'm all about the listen you're talking to road Carbonaro Ver- here. Nobody knows the power of Betsy. Wait we what is your prison was black. Oh that was my. That was my a instagram. What no what is it called? Aol Instant Messenger name with when my superhero alter ego. Which is the password for our. I shouldn't give it out loud. Oh my gosh believe that. That's what happened. I won't say what does the Password for. You'll never know what it's like to our secret club home. I wrote Carbonaro row. Carbon are is the internal superhero alter ego created when I was like doing challenges or trying to do tough stuff like has that to Sasha fears. Yes Oh my God. I didn't even think of it. Oh God anything that you can do your fiance of something alike common day. Whoa yes I can't think of anything else but yes there you go so important so I think we and then what happens is like you can take the two parts of you. If there's one part of you that feels like really weak and like you can't do it and then you have this one side of you that's like divine or Carbonara and you're like whatevs. That reason can do it and then eventually when you start strengthening that voice that can do it you can like bring the two together and realized that. Oh my gosh. We're like the same person. And then you like that powers with the new all the time and Blah Blah Blah scream. So well you're so right even in the case of divine they were saying that divine in as Glenn it was quite soft spoken in a bit and divine was brassy in bold and aggressive. One thing that surprised me was that she felt typecast and very limited by the character and was really trying to get the mainstream like become an actor as Glenn and finally got a job as a guest star on married with children and then died the day before of heart attack. If if Atlanta's Told me that that was her inspiration for the Song Ironic. I would believe it so sad that since that is insane I did. I know but it could be related. You know how like sometimes if like you're so excited about something sometimes it can do crazy stuff to your body. Yeah and Glenn Daryl. Care of himself well like more a higher risk of heart attack when there's daylight savings or something like that. Yeah catches you off guard or like. I have that problem with Migraines. I'm like feeling really good. Sometimes that's when it triggers it. I Dunno it must be a hormone thing or something but go ahead interesting but I feel bad for divine. She never dropped to Glen. Well you know what if you think about that? And we were to put a positive spin on that like could there be another way to look at that who knows what the future could have held. What if when he went on there and performed as Glenn He was terrible and got very bad reviews and then became more known for being like this. Somebody who like my hobbies timing lot. Yes a failure you know. Maybe he was spared so like he was spared of that. And instead got to be like immortalized as this. I get sick of your positively machine probably but I'm gonNA keep it running. So Oh my God I meant to tell you this I so anyhow club. I was saying I'm having trouble reading during Anti God. Yes yeah it's just can't in fact for the first time in probably fifteen years. I haven't read anything in the last two weeks. And it's like Freeing but temporary but anyway my point is what I've been doing with my fun leisure time playing best fiends. You that's right like you gotta head start in you. You're on level fifty million zillion catch you because I am having so much fun because I'm so glad that you welcome. Thank you judged with link to because all he'll love love games like this. It's just a nice. Yeah fine break. It has little challenges. It's has all kinds of levels. They're always adding characters and it's it's playful and it keeps you stimulated. I think you go with love it because people are tagging me in like screen shots of. They're like Oh Sarah Suzy but mostly Sarah now maybe Susie you. You got me with this. It is so good and they are thanking me. It's so fun best. Means they have thousands of levels already with new levels events and characters at at every month hours of fun right at your fingertips and you can even play off line with over one hundred million downloads and tons of five star reviews. Best fiends is a must play download. Best fiends free on apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best fiends. There you go Let's talk about a hero and let me tell you about him There was a fella driving down the highway. And he's spotted a tanker truck and he motioned for the tanker truck pullover and then he got out of his car. No Shankar truck like the ones that carry gas kind of yes liquid of some kind like what if someone got it got it. Got Sean shoeless and shirtless climbs onto the truck opens a valve and starts drinking the wine. That's in this jock and this truck doesn't know that the guys on their out drives away and this guy is trying to pound wine whilst this truck is barreling down the highway. What kind of cheap ass wine comes in a wine tasting and did a tanker truck? I don't know but he's spilled out one thousand gallons all of the highway that's alcohol abuse abuse liquid. Iv later my God. No yes so he act ended up the only way the trucker even knew was they have a gauge. That says like you're losing liquid and it's started alerting the driver like we're losing product and then that's when they called the cops and the came in this and I need in the shape of snow angel. That's what they said. Oh my God okay okay. So let's run through this guy's driving. He was driving a car driving a car. He goes why they're there on the highway. Any emotion so there are those like symbols on cars where it's like symbols like like nitrous oxide or Ogden. There's probably one that is Klein. Burble I love it okay? So I assume he sees the winds symbol on the back of the truck and so then he then what is at a red light he pulls our. When does he proceed? Is he driving? No yes and he motions for the truck pullover in the truck thought. Oh I must have some sort of mechanical problem. So then he pulls over they both pullover and then nothing happens as far as the truckers concerned. So he's like I that's was false alarm. I'll carry on in the meantime. The guy had hidden his view mirror and see this guy's car dislike parked outside and go. What the fuck up into the dude. I guess not. I would feel like Miami horror movie where he's GonNa kill me right now like That would be. I would have some questions. The driver also been drinking from Ha maybe he just thought maybe he thought he misunderstood the right. He's like Oh maybe he was just flawed swiping. Yachting out fly. Yeah Okay and so then. The Guy hops up on their like. He's like Vin diesel or something action movie. He's like yeah. I assume wind blowing through his hair and holding onto like this tanker and then let like a valve on top. I believe familiar with tankers. He was on the bottom under underneath holding on like they said it was like a snowy. Gosh okay like Oh my God. I totally had this. Like you know like like runaway train rational. You're like this on top. He was like clinging he was spiderman to like get going himself to the bottom and I have to admire that commitment. Wow I mean I like wine but I mean I don't like one that much because like that combines some of your favorite things Yes it makes the element of danger. right sorry with love that. Oh my gosh please. That's where she goes on a Friday. That think she goes to the bar like a regular person own and why she's also looking for that symbol on the back of the tanker can please photoshop that and make one of those with a grape bunch on please. That's love it. Oh it's so funny. Oh my gosh and so then I would well okay also if you were to design a tanker would you put the nice show on the fucking bottom where we're reason but I get it when you need to actually empty it then? That was what I was thinking. But you should be able to turn it. Do we have a new invention things like truck but for like it like rotates? Yeah and you can. Yes now. This must be because you know how when they deliver petroleum gas than they have to put it in the ground. Maybe that's why hose. Yeah Yeah it goes below. What the hell do I know right and I always thought wine just what was like barrel and then you bottle it and then those bottles go on. The trump is going on in his truck right. You know. It's like McDonald's scrooge there dive in delivering this to our feel box right property of brain candy. Oh God that's funny. Yeah I wonder what the crime is for that. Or what the what the. Oh my God. What the probably a big one. Because somebody could get hurt for sure. Yeah but you know. It's like one of those things where there's like really yes like nobody's ever done like fuck. What even charges guy with where you hear these crazy crimes? And then what? They ended up getting arrested for mail. Fraud or something like that her. Hey thank happens all the time right. Tax Evasion Yeah. It's like something like that where it's like. It's going get like a jaywalking charge or something. I know I know. I don't even know what he ended up getting like in terms of jail time or penalty or whatever but I just definitely hangover. Yes and that's why I said he needs like what Ibiza. Oh by the way I have this What do you think about this idea? I've been listening to a lot of disco lately which let me give you a question. A prompt and then when. I'm done with my story you can answer. I love are ever going. I what do you think of this idea? I've been listening to a lot of disco and you're asking me for advice. This is going to be good. Verse Question Is My friends and I have been debating this what I wanna know what you think would be. The Quintessential Disco Song. Don't answer yet. Okay got it. Some of the ones that are up for obviously would be like that Staying alive i was yes cleaner. There's like the hustle. There's lots of ones that you might choose. Think over. I know yeah I got it okay. On Time I because I'm listening to disco. I was reminded about how the lead singer of the village people used to be married to. Felicia Rashad the mom on the cosby show. And I thought how strange that must be to be an abandoned synonymous with gay culture and Cruzan and stuff like that and be a straight man so I wanted to like find out more and there have been so many Iterations of the lineup of the village. People so I was telling him about A. He was a founding member. He wrote all the songs which is crazy because all the songs are about gay culture. Oh come the hundred percent they are. Do you think he's gay? Well you're telling me he's either. Oh he like maybe he was around gay people when he would hear their stories. And be like Oh. I got to write a song about that. They were in costume in every it does. Make me think that may be? I need more evidence I need and I need more info and is like at. I wanted more no more. I need to interview these people when he goes. No you need to make a documentary and you need to call it. It takes a village people. Just didn't we talk about a previous episode? The titles half the battle. They're on make it now. You have to make it. It's already done. We've put into motion. This is fantastic. I believe I was having a conversation with Ren I think it was ran where it was somebody or was my little brother because somebody who is like like younger enough where like. I have more of a memory of the village. People like then and whoever was was like oh they were gay songs and I was like. Oh let me. Just pull up these costumes and show you think it was. I think it was because we were talking about. How like we always sing the Ymca camp and I was like. Isn't that funny that we yeah? That's gotTA BE IT I. It's it's maybe that does it like people miss the gay references. Yes I do. I do Because if you're not in that subculture then you might not think it means what it does. Is it funny that I wear it like a badge of honor that I get? I know them. And we're case the premises established Gary. Well we're on the documentary anyway. I love that so your vote would be for staying alive. Is that what you're saying? No My vote for is for Yeah a house. That song called that Donna Summer and I think it is the new. I'm going look. What the Hell is that song called? I don't know but it's a great one. Don't leave me this way. Yes done live music way. Yeah that song is so good. I can't and you'd be surprised. How many great tunes there? Because we've got such a bad rap and I was asking Matinee Rooney. Do you think it was like homophobia that made people react to disco by doing the like disco socks. Steamroller baseball game. Do you remember that. Yeah I mean a boycott anti disco disco thing. Because you think it was homophobia or something else Oh. I didn't even think about it. As being homophobic like homophobic I almost see it as being more like anti yes Yes and my kind of being like I'm trying to think if there's like a more modern I kind of like boy bands like leads like what I'd say. You use a home capitalist and musical elitist and being like all your sell out like it's like that Kinda I think though there might be more to it in terms of because I think you're right love it are women and gay people. I never even thought about that. And it was this battle between classic rock and roll is like so straight male like white white that like discos more people of color to yes hordley. Yeah come on the Hong telling you it people. Suzy documentary is his my time. And I I want you to make it just for the soundtrack alone I know. Can you imagine how great that would be? I listen to disco fever on Alexa because that station is a laugh. A minute and such good bangers on Gonna I'm GonNa totally listen to that and kind of Also have you seen the movie Detroit Rock City? No you need to see that tonight. Why because it's just great and so funny and also talk about that. It's like the battle between there's like a whole book the battle between and and like and rock and roll and you'll just love the movie and I think it's a movie it was like is people missed out on how great this movie was. It's hilarious the opening scene alone. The end the okay Anyway Dahlia do a poll where we find out what other people think is the quintessential disco disco tune of all time. Yeah not not even best but just like what quintessentially representative of the genre. Because that's why I picked my son because I feel like it encompasses the whole like. It's yeah yeah yeah. Oh yes okay. I have guests on today. Did a great book called Hunting Whitey. The inside story of the capture and killing of America's most wanted crime boss about Whitey Bolger. Oh Wow do you remember when they found Whitey in Santa Monica? Are you privy to this? It rings a bell. But it's so like I don't know any of the details. Yeah no well. Why is this notorious Boston? Crime boss Guy who was sort of the last of that era. Where you know a Goodfellas type stuff. Yeah and he went on the run and was on the run for years and years and years and most people were like is he. Dead is he just like never going to be caught. And then eventually he was caught in Santa Monica in little apartment with his girlfriend and Went to jail and then was killed in jail Not surprisingly but when he was I think he was ninety or something. Whoa he was an old man by the time he was in prison. And then they like beat him with a roll of quarters in an old man and not like. I don't know why you're like excluded from like you. Know right off limits their offline but come on I know but he had a lot of enemies of course and when he was caught it came to light that all that time he had been an informant to the FBI. Oh no wonder he. Yeah okay yeah sounds and he had killed people for doing that so oh you know ooh or not happy and it's just crazy that yeah want to hear all these stories right like that. This guy was doing the very thing that he claimed was against his. Moral Code it was. I loved the book because it describes sort of like how he like his undoing and they talks about how a lot for a lot of Male criminals on the run the way to find them is through the the women. I was totally going to guess that they can't resist. Yeah and he like put on this whole show all these years like both while he was still in Boston and when he was on the run of like being a super nice guy like vein Berry Charitable. You know how. Sometimes they do that where it's like. They Murder People. But then they like have these other morals where it's like you help people that are poor or somehow balancing upscale like a will. I can do this but I did. All this good stuff over here. Yeah wow interesting but the craziest part about the book. The thing that kind of made headlines before I read it was that when he was he was originally in prison in years prior in Alcatraz and during that time the government performed experiments on prisoners soul my God and they gave him does after dose after dose of LSD. All my God. This story keeps getting more and the consequences of that are that for the rest of his life. He had insomnia paranoia all this stuff and it was never been really brought up at his trial. Wouldn't you use that if you defense attorneys saw I mean? I don't know if it had any impact rain. Scans and all. Oh my God. This is fascinating interesting anyway. Rate Book if you like. True crime If you just like a page Turner Hunting Whitey by Casey Sherman and Dave Wedge The inside story of the capturing killing of America's most wanted crime boss. It's such a great read. They do a wonderful job of unpacking the complexities of human condition relationships morality. All this stuff. That it's my motor running. And I think you guys will love it and I loved interviewing so. Let's welcome them to the show. Casey and Dave sellers so freaking. Love Your Book for starters hunting why it was so fun to read and I guess I wanted to start with how you're feeling about promoting a book of this weird moment and if you're sad at all are you feel good about. It's still feel really good about it because we're very proud of the book and this is the way to reach our audiences right now. Virtually in Bayreuth while we don't feel good about his not having that direct connection to our readers right there. Yeah I mean for each of our books especially this one it would be nice to have a big launch event. You know we. We had some plans like New York Boston one. La We may still do that. No as time goes on. But it's it's tough to not be able to meet and greet people talk to them face to face but I think we're all experiencing that in our lives everywhere. Soak thankfully we have zone. I mean it's better than nothing for sure. I just always feel bad when I interview authors now because they toil away so long and now supposed to be the fun part where people are consuming it and enjoying it and you can interact. So it's sort of a letdown. Shore you know everybody's either binge watching their favorite television show or they're reading so you know there is a benefit there all right. We'll focus on this the silver linings and I do hope people check out your book now since we all have a little more time in hopefully are consuming more books hunting Whitey. The inside story of being killing of America's most wanted crime boss. What the heck do you think is so A fascinating about Whitey in particular that. He's he captured our imagination for such a long period of time. What was it about this guy? I think he was the last of a dying breed. Roy The last American Godfather in that you know classic sense and is a great air of mystery. Amas well because For several years before the final finally tracked him out. And we're you guys sort of Following the story all along before he was even found or did this come into your mind after he was captured notification. I'm report is in Boston for twenty years and Casey was at the CBS affiliate Air Moss. And I was at the Boston Herald. So we both had covered the Whitey bulger case off and on for twenty years and like I said it's just captured the imagination. I think no one ever thought he was going to be caught in the fact that he was caught in California Santa Monica Kind. Hiding in plain sight only added to his mystique and it made everyone. Think what you've been doing for sixteen years you know and it also brought the story to the entire country where you know. It's not just the Boston store. You know. He lived in New Orleans. He was in Chicago. He was in Las Vegas and he lived in Santa Monica for a long time. And I think all of that together coupled with the The corruption in the FBI was involved in the early days the investigation all the police corruption. All mistakes made it just a fantastic mystery and we really took the time to unravel it. Tell the story in how he really came to meet his justice. When you guys were covering at during those years what did you think was going on. Did you think he was dead? Do you think is high certainly been Vicky was dead but it was almost like chasing big foot. He was there was a body out there somewhere. Then then it would have eventually turned up. You know as Dave mentioned you know we covered what you bulbs or the Nineteen Ninety s at the height of his our before he vanished but our college student at Boston University. I lived in South Boston. Right in the heart of Whitey. Bulger's territory right down the street from many of the people who in his gang. I met Whitey Bulger on occasion so there was this early fascination with this figure but then that that kind of law and the was destroyed because we realized what a real violent sophisticate criminal whiting balls. Early was yeah. What was your impression of him before he ran off to think this guy's evil or do you think it was just sort of like that. They had a different understanding of morality. Will I covered many of the cases that he was involved in before he went on the run and I just always thought he was. It was just complete mythology that he was this been. Evelyn gangster which was the image that was projected of him including by some members of the media. Boston he somehow protected Austin. It was good to the poor people and it was almost like a Robin Hood figure. I always knew as a reporter from covering that it was. It was not true at all. That was terrible. Human being that he had this reputation of assaulting women very very violent person no Koto morals whatsoever contrary to the public image of him. So do you think the the romanticizing of his charitable behavior was because is there was corruption or because they just like the idea that this guy wasn't as bad as some might say a good movie you know it was. It was a little both you know what? Baltimore is taking a patriotic. The deponent's playbook really doing things publicly for his community because it have to count on people to keep quiet when he needed when we covered him. Obviously there was again. It was a deconstruction of the myth of Whitey. Bolger this gentleman gangster and we really broke down who he was one of the parts. Susie that really fascinated us and I think it fascinates a public as well as that didn't work alone is brother Billy. Bulger was most powerful politician in Massachusetts. At the time so as Billy's a star began to rise at the Massachusetts State House Whitey Bulger Star also began to rise in Boston. Underworld something else interesting. Susie that he that he did to kind of keep that neighborhood quiet case you mentioned his. He was famous for sending money to gangsters and thugs and criminals canteens a prison so guys that would get in trouble pulling jobs related to Whitey money to their family. He would put money in their prison. Canteen basically a to be silent so as a result of that he got this reputation of being like a good guy in the neighborhood but really it was only selfish just to keep his own his own throne intact and it worked for a long time. Didn't it your good Do So do you believe that the this the brothers are like this. It's not a situation of like biblical scenario where there's so bad one though you know. I mean if you read the FBI interviews that. We conduct it for hunting Whitey. They were so focused on billy. Bolger and Billy Bolger's awareness of where Whitey Bolger was hiding at different points of his time as a fugitive it really frustrated the FBI that you had this officer of the court because bill was an attorney withholding evidence That would eventually lead to his capture. One of the most hardened and vicious edlund criminals in American history. I do you think that the people of Boston see that way now. Do you think that's clear? Yeah I think so. I think part of the benefit of doing this book at the time we did it. Is that a lot of the people that were afraid of retribution. Are No longer afraid because white? He's dead and be all the people around him have no more allegiance to 'em so it really freed people up to speak to us that might not have otherwise we also have the benefit of You know the FBI case. The case is closed now so the FBI opened up their files to allow us into their world to really get to the root of how he was caught. And what happened so? I think you know again the mythology. If whitey bulger is really deconstructed generally but I think we really finish it off and put the nail in the coffin with this book. Yes I think Dave touches on a great point. Because you know there's been much written about Whitey bulger been movies about Whitey. Bulger whether it would you know as fictionalized with the Department of or a bio pic starring. Johnny Depp called Mass. You know we didn't want to cover that old ground because other journalists had done that we were really focused on was what was his life like as a fugitive in this gangsters lion in winter savings of his life as his body is beginning to break down around. Nobody still asked be crafty. He's still ask to be violent odd occasion and he still has to be whatever again to stay one step ahead of his captors. Do you think there was something about him? That enjoyed that that life on the run most game. Certainly I mean he always loved the pool wall over specially the FBI's odds and you know he never considered himself as an informer to the FBI. Which is the ultimate Dishonor as a gangster be called a rat. We know he certainly was that. Alger created his own myth. If you will. And there's a part in the book where he's being interviewed by the FBI after he was captured. And he's telling them that if he felt like he was about that if he was really all than embarrassed sick and he would have thrown himself down a mineshaft in Arizona somewhere so that his body would never have been found and that it would always be a black eye on the via so he cared more about do you think that it was about screwing the FBI though or do you think it's like he really loved the narrative of his own myth and legend I think it's the latter I think you know he did love to stick it to the FBI however could in in all armfuls really. But I think he was in ultimate narcissist. Any really just wanted to prove to everyone that he was the ultimate gangster. He was the ultimate criminal. Mind in could never you know he was always a step ahead of everyone else and I think he thought of that in his criminal. He also thought of it with this game of cat-and-mouse Casey. I just described where he never wanted to Be outsmarted by the FBI. Casey you said that you don't think why he thought he was. A rat is that did I understand. You're thinking new down in his in his core that he was a rat but he tried to project an image that he was the one getting information from the FBI. Not the other way around. Meanwhile was you know ratting on just about everybody in new including the people that were closest to him. And it's interesting that you know one of the things that we deconstruct. The book is Whitey's hatred toward women. Two of the murders that e Committed were against women that may have known too much about his gang and these are really brutal violent killing Suzie as you know reading the book and I love the fact that it was a female. Fbi `age that came along and said screw. Everybody thinks that the Boston FBI office is corrupt. And everybody thinks that we're out trying to find bigfoot and that we're never going to find him but dammit we're gonNA find big foot and she. During the whole case around and nail was S. Kind of there was also subscribe sweet. Arnie injustice in the acted the judge in his case was a was a black female and not only did he have this problem with abusing women and used a misogynist officed and we also learn later on that. Us also in arch conservative in areas. The fate of his life is in the hands will black liberal female judge in Massachusetts so it was pretty sweet irony in that in that trial. Yeah I freaking love that. So how be kidding? The book you mentioned how with male criminals often the women that they find companionship with our their undoing. Would you say that that's true in cases well? You're Victor Noreen Blizzard. Who's the special agent that took over the What he boulter Task Force. That was a direct quote from her. She said she's a woman but unfortunately over another female in a relationship is ultimately going to lead to the gangsters demise an for almost sixteen years the FBI have been hunting Whitey. Bulger in his name in his face were plastered all over the planet. Basically especially on the show. America's most wanted in it did trigger. You know hundreds if not thousands of tips or elderly. You Know Caucasian men wearing sunglasses and in baseball caps while I can walk down the street today and find five so that I think stymie the investigations for several years. And she said finally told her man hunters fugitive hunters working for the wrong person. We shouldn't be looking for hint him. We should be looking for her. And when they flip the switch on the investigation it was only a matter of time before they found him. Does it surprise you guys that he? He seemed to be loyal to his girlfriend even after his capture really wanted people to believe that she was just an innocent victim as well no. I spent some time with his brother. Billy for this book. And also with Catherine Griggs sister Margaret her twin sister. Kathleen Greg being the woman. That was on the run with him sixteen years and honestly they both described as a true love story which is kind of another theme in this book where he really was in love with Catherine Greg. That was the love of his life. Shoot he was the love of her life. It was a twisted love affair because certainly he was abusive to her. He manipulated her. He controlled her and he used her to to. You know she was really imprompt for him to continue. Its FLIGHT ADJUSTS DESPITE AGAIN. Deconstruct the myth. He's not as noble gangster. He brought this woman woman with him because he didn't want to be alone on the road for sixteen years and he used her for everything she was worth. But that said at the end when he was finally cau- He did try to negotiate with federal prosecutors to get her freedom which ultimately wasn't successful in doing and that low. Suzy was expressed several times in his his letters. We were able to gain access to seventy letters that what he bowls are written behind bars in in the majority of them are talking about his is love of Catherine in our. She got railroaded by prosecutors and he said he would. He was willing to be executed tomorrow as long as she could be freed today. Wow well she has some questionable taste in men but throws who hasn't made that mistake. You know Marion a mobster. Whatever okay so do you find it strange. You guys have been doing this work for so long and you kind of become these true crime writers and not kind of Baffle you or intrigue you that the public has becomes increasingly obsessed with true crime. I'm intrigued GRAMMAS. The hottest genre television the hottest John Roan publishing right now David. I'd just like the toll road with stories and we don't necessarily chase after you know the killer in the neighborhood or or the bad people you know when we decided to write about what he bulge your. We wanted excellent positive Stewart. A positive story about her severence in terms of that small unit of FBI fugitive hunters that that just got absolutely crapped up years and years and years and they never ever gave up. Oh that they were gonNA find this guy and finally they get the vindication that they so You know deservingly needed also one of the prosecutors. Brian Kelly who's Part of the team that ultimately put Whitey in jail he had been threatened he worked on the mob cases for years and he was an investigator in the US Attorney's office in he got threatened by received death threats to the point where the FBI had to quit foot protection protectionist. All sweet his house that sort of thing so these guys were up against a lot to there are against corrupt public officials corrupt agents corrupt police officers in they had elderly build this case. Put this guy away and again with the FBI. Folks the case you just described it was really a a pretty heroic effort to finally put the exclamation point on this incredible crime. Saga do you think that they got mistreated at all by their colleagues for sort of exposing some of that corruption The FBI or prosecution the FBI. I think that you know their colleagues felt a vindication Whitey Bolger was caught because he was a stain on the National Bureau and and there are many people out there you know even the world of journalism that believed at the FBI didn't want him caught that they wanted him to stay out Nicole because he had so many alleged secrets even reveal. There's a a certain chapter in the book. Where San Diego Sheriff's deputy spots wedding bulbs you're at a movie screening of all things the department at back in the early two thousand and tries to capture him on a trolley in San Diego and then you know Bolger gives them the slip. And this sheriff's deputy reaches out to the FBI and tells him what he knows and the FBI was onces. What was Whitey Bulger's? We don't even know who we is. And that was the tip line for all Whitey bulger tips on the West Coast so there is a bit of. Why didn't they find him so quickly and I think I don't think that that's corruption that they wanted to keep them out there. I think it was negligence. And I think it was incompetence by some of the people that worked on this case very early on. That was such a great passage to read. You guys did such a good job of creating that suspense and in general just about your book. You're so good at storytelling. That you say you love to do and just painting the picture of of his life in the circumstances in your you elevate the true crime genre so I just love at the kitchen I we. We like to write books that we would want to read our style and I think that's what every great writers should do like. I love to read books but I. I love to read books to make me. WanNa keep breeding every page so we try to make sure every page has new information something interesting exciting something that gets an emotional response in. We're lucky that we've had some good stories to tell them you know this. This book was was really exciting to it was so excited to share with everybody. Yeah you do such a good job at the you know. People are complicated. Relationships are complicated. Morality is complicated. And you know it can be difficult to describe all that while being concise in and you know we try to focus on literary storytelling and treat each person. You know these real like able characters and get under their skin and find out what their motivations are and what what drives them. Whether it's leg. Bolger trying to stay elusive. As he's getting older and older or exploring gleason or Tommy Mac in the fugitive manhunter. That has been trying to find off fresh pictures of white his girlfriend. Catherine Greg to unlock the key to this case and finally does you know via a a plastic surgeon in Boston. And You. So you know the raider gets these victories with with characters as the one thing that you mentioned in the book that I was like wait I need to know more about that was that he ran away to the circus. Love Point in his childhood was like go on. Do we know anything more about that case? You know more about that situation. I mean he was. He was a kid who grew up obviously in a very troubled environment in life in in South Boston comic books true crime comic books under his bed. On implied were is biggest. Eros as a as a young boy in the circus was just a an adventure. Whitey Bulger I think you know his whole life especially early on it was all about being adventurous and getting out of his little neighborhood in South Boston and exploring the world whether it was pulling off back or doing something more nefarious and I think eventually it really became part his DNA that criminality. That changed him from a fun. Unloving young kid to a real hardened gangster in know gave chock to as you mentioned. Billy Bulger Whitey's brother and a lot of Bulger's Whitey's harkness came from the nonstop police. V8's that he was subject to as a teenager men right. Yeah and I also think you know Whitey was a bit of an escapist and a narcissist as I said before but if you ever been to South Boston it's literally a peninsula and it can be very isolating place and it's not uncommon for a poor kids that grow up. Never leave South Boston so I think Whitey was one of those poor kids it was you know World War Two era. There was a lot of poverty that Austin the very wealthy place to live but back then was completely blue collar a lot. There's a lot of poverty including Whitey's so I think he and his brother did whatever they could. They used what they were given to get out of that neighborhood in. Whitey went to the circus and then he became. You know the the crime boss that he was that took them all over. The world is brother. Went the other way you know went to college and became one of the most powerful politicians in the state. Actually at one point had after been considered one of the most powerful alterations in the country the Massachusetts Senate. Why do you think Whitey nostalgic for his time in Alcatraz because he always called Alcatraz his harbor you know that was his alma mater and walked around with a big Alcatraz a belt buckle because he was so proud of of where it come from and you know when when he gets thrown into federal prison in Arizona rafters conviction in two different world You know in the modern era where you know. Criminals don't have this of honor than wedding bulger. Allegedly ad in in Alcatraz always waxed Aleta about his time on the rock was a it was a historian about his time on the rock as well. And it's interesting that he just you know he looks at Alcatraz almost like somebody that graduated from an Ivy League college leafy campus that he had left behind know forty years ago and You know what's wrong with this world and it's all about those damn you know kids that don't have any respect for anybody. I think that was what he boulder's kind of motive and understanding bonkers and then when your book was first being discussed in the press. I kept reading about the Experiments that were done on Whitey. That was making a big splash. Why do you think that the LSD experiments that were done in prison weren't than used in the defence When he was captured but doug. That's a good question. A I mean that's always been part of his story but I don't. I don't think that you know he didn't do an insanity plea so had. He pleaded insanity. Maybe it would have been relevant. But under the circumstances he was just trying to fight. The case seems actually is defense was actually that. He had complete immunity to do everything he did. That was defense. He claimed that he caught a devil's deal with the US Attorney's office a former us. Attorney named Jeremiah Sullivan. Who was passed away on? He claims he literally cut a back alley. Deal with him that you keep feeding me information about the Italian Mafia. We'll take them down. You do whatever you want will turn the other way. And that was his defense in court and ultimately it got defense itself got rejected. And then you know the evidence. Obviously it's too overwhelming. Which is it's interesting that you know when he was on the Ron and this is really where we take the ball from the fifty yard line which is walk where a lot of the other books about balls have ended up and we bring it right into the end zone because you cannot be subject to more than a thousand LSD experiments without your brain being alter and his brain was certainly altered a he was a he was a bad guy and after the LSD experiments guy on steroids and he He could never sleep at night when the FBI raided is apartment in Santa. Monica found candles in his room because he always needed a lick on his room. Just for that to get his mind off of some of the hallucinations that he was still experiencing well into his aides. Say he was in fact sort of set up to go to prison in which he was pretty much guaranteed to be harmed so it it looks to me from the evidence that we gathered in all the people we interviewed for this book. It looks like a combination of of negligence and perhaps corruption. Really my opinion is that the the warden's at both prisons the prison in Florida and the prison in West Virginia where ultimately was killed both dropped the ball and the bureau of prisons dropped the ball. He transferred to that. Prison never should have been approved but certainly the warden there at Hazelton bears responsibility because it's his call when it when it comes in where the where the place and he allow. Whitey bulger's be placed into general population when the lieutenants on duty that I white he was brought in flagged Alder. They saw that. He was an organized crime figures. He had informed status and they notified the warden in and said you know what we do at the sky. Just put him in general population. So I think that you know. There's lot of questions the answer there. Do you feel bad for the way that he perished at all no nervous the FBI. I mean you know. We followed one of the old. Fbi agents age named Charlie Jan Turco who we write about extensively in the book and he was frustrated because he was in the early. What balls your investigation and never never land you know his man and when I interviewed him after Bolger was murdered. He said well. You live by the sword in your diabetes or and then he shook his head and he said bleak that he goes you know what that makes warning. Boulter sound balance. Whitey Bolger was scumbag Whitey. He was Predator of women. Leading Bolger was Women so imagine when justice comes for Bolger that he may have had zero results that he may have stopped the same pain that is victim victims at felt so many years before the wedding bolger told one of his inmates in made friends in Arizona. We write about this in the book. You know if I get it. I want a quick because I gave it quick and which was kind of a lie because bolger liked to really torture many of his victims and I think you know the killers of Whitey bulger's certainly it is the law time. They spent enough time where he knew what was happening him and he knew where he was gone which was to help. I will say one thing I while I have no sympathy for Whitey Bolger. I do have a problem with Negligence and obviously corruption and I think that if they were avoidable mistakes air that were made or over corruption and put him in harm's way on purpose. That shouldn't be allowed to go on. I mean we're we're civilized society. You know we don't give the death penalty lightly in this country and people should not give defacto death penalties if they're running prisons in expect better from our from our prison administrators. They really their job was to try to prevent sort of stuff not enable it so if there's any evidence that that's exactly what happened. I hope that those people are held accountable. Is there anything in your book that you really love to talk about? But not many people are asking about your personal. I think that what what you know. Bolger's time You know imprisoned again we. We take take his story from the streets of Santa Monica to the courthouse and eventually behind prison walls. So we get to see a part of a Whitey Bolger. That not a lot of other people have seen before before bulger was murdered at Hazelton. It was actually attacked and stabbed in the head early on in his prison sentence. And now that store has never been out there before. And so the fact that you know. Buzzer was a target the moment that he got into prison. It's is a pretty interesting part of a stories. Airs Big Bad ass and boss who again is getting older and more feeble and losing his motor skills and eventually it comes to a point where prisoners trying to still sneakers in the prison now. You wouldn't imagine that anybody would even breathe in Whitey bulger's direction. Boston South Boston but these guys at the end of his life rarely treated him. Like you know feeble man that they were going to Get one overall so not only was bald. You're a murder in a very heinous way. He was also incredibly humiliated by fellow. Windex that's you story. It was just pitiful supposed to be all happened. Your Grandfather Susan. I'm much now ray. Not Sympathetic I mean like. Oh that's just string. Bean is to what I was saying where you know again. No sympathy for Whitey Bulger. The Guy was stabbed in prison. He's clearly a target the prison. He's going to build with a giant lobsters. Oh and by the way some from Massachusetts. Oh and by the way some that actually had ties to whiting's criminal and you're putting them into that situation as an eighty nine year old man. They reduced his Healthcare level someone changed that document. He was ever of care level when he was at a Coleman Down in Florida and that was changed so that he could be moved. That's many answer for that. I mean his guy that's had multiple heart attacks. He can barely walk at this point. He's eighty nine years old and they the general population so again no sympathy. He gets what he deserves there. But that's not really responsible inmate control to say the least so do you guys just continue on the same path or do you feel like you need levity and you're going to write about like you know something adorable puppies next. I didn't see say we're GONNA write about puppies next. Yeah he didn't mean we've written some craft stores but we also ridden stories of hope and inspiration. Europa STORY ABOUT PETE. Frady's was the LS hero that inspired the ice bucket. Challenge in. That was an incredible story. That was also very emotional for us to get ball with because we got very close to Pete in his family Brady's passed away at the age of thirty five back in December But EMMER SEWRI and every book stays with us all the people that we've written about whether it's the Boston marathon bombings that eventually became the movie Patriots Day we got embedded with the survivor community for well over a year And all those stories and a very honest way and we're still you know indebted to those survivors in friends with them to this day in when we start to think about how we get past the hunting Whitey story. It's all about not necessarily keeping wedding bolger with US. Is We don't want to do that. It's about keeping the idea of as I said perseverance some of these FBI agents some of these prosecutors that that did the right thing at the end of the day. Those are the stories that will continue to stay with us in inspire us. In whatever Fra Project. We go to next. I love that and I really love the book. I'll show everyone again hunting whitey. It's phenomenal now. I have to read all your other stuff. I gotta get caught up But I thank you for all the work that you're doing because it's important and helpful and we're all grateful. Thank you bread gadgets. Thanks for us. Get the word out about the book and we're glad you enjoyed it. Yeah yes we'll spread the word. We'll make sure everybody enjoys it. And and you guys can keep on writing because we need you and now your thank you so much. You guys are delight.

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2165: Laundry Snake

The Black Guy Who Tips Podcast

1:46:32 hr | 1 year ago

2165: Laundry Snake

"I listened to the black. Guy Who tips podcast because Rawdon Karen Hans while almost no one used the language of micro entrepreneur quite a few saw platforms is the route to independence autonomy and freedom. Some even went furthest platforms is the antidote to big corporations or even to capitalism itself. Heine who was active on many platforms explained her preference for AIRBNB IF I took A. Hotel say Marietta in Texas right? It's fine. But Mary has got a board of directors sitting somewhere in a million dollar house. But this lady is a photographer who owns this house and as a photographer maybe she's not earning that much. It'll help her house payment if I was supporting the local business, the Marriott guys don't really need it. They have a lot of money. Like many of the people we interviews honey prefers to keep money into local economy. So that was my idea support, local Natasha, a Toro Renter, an airbnb customer summed up the rhetoric. We're putting money right in the pocket of the community we were visiting skin the middleman so that felt good participants in the nonprofit also saw their activities as an alternative to capitalism. Especially, those in the time bank across both types of sites are informed criticized global supply chains, corporate conformity, and exploitative, and alienating social relations. We've found an inchoate inquiry into our. We'll look that back up in a second but powerful nostalgia. Sharing, economy was envisioned as household space where we the time domestic imaginary production takes place within the home social relations are familiar and aesthetic is cozy. The aesthetic is cozy in contrast to the Code Impersonal Corporation. This new market operates like a family rooted impasse place in time overall the platforms and their boosters did a good job of convincing early users that there was nothing head but win wins their rhetoric tapped into common sense. So effectively that few apply basic critical thinking to recognize that the future health far more complexity than the cheerleading allow. This was less true of platform employees who were more aware of problems, researchers who from the beginning, debating the pros and cons of sharing platforms especially their economics. Welcome to the blackout to his podcast. I'm your host Reid joined US always by my co host caring and we're live on a Monday radio podcast and find us on itunes stitcher Potter Matic searched the blackout says levers five star reviews appreciate everybody takes the time out to do. The official weapon of the show is. An unofficial sport. Bullets. And listen. Today Is from a book that I just started reading I'm actually going to interview this author. So I'm kind of excited about that, but it's called after the GIG. By Juliet Shore and it talks about the GIG economy and the pros and cons and the effects that has had and some of the things that people kinda doubt about it and the things that. People thought were, and then the things that actually happened and all that stuff and. I just started a Mike On no twelve percent through and. I'm really enjoying it so far because is kind of talking about. You know, I, don't know if people remember when this all started, but all they do all these ads. A lot of them were like kind of pitch to us as solutions to. A bunch of stuff is like a response to occupy Wall Street and like kind of put power back in the common persons hands time to defined. The Wall Street, these big corporations and capitalism, and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. You know make charity APPs. The APPS are going to be about you know you don't even charge people for some of this stuff and some of the stuff are. Charity APPs that are for profit. You know some of the like is not a nonprofit business, but the idea what they're doing is based on this idea of sharing economy. You know obviously ridesharing and we're GONNA drive taxi companies out of business because no one cares about them. Anyway we ate them and then Uber becomes the place where you're like wait there's. Not Enough Regulation people are getting paid enough AIRBNB. You know we're going to take the money from the big hotels and then you go away people are pricing out neighborhoods. They're buying up smaller spaces in in quote unquote bad. Black neighborhoods driving up the property value and then now there's this leading the gentrification and shit like that. So it was just kind of interesting because so many people bought into the pitch because everything that that that makes the APP sound like a solution is the pitch, right? It's what Silicon Valley wants to have in our brains. When we talk about when we talk about, Uber, they want us to think ridesharing taken away from the big taxi company monopoly, and now anyone can earn money in a car and I love how she she points out that a lot of the people who use the platforms were the ones who kind of quote unquote for for lack of a better term. But the people who are workers on the platforms were the ones who like not there's a bunch of sheet round with this lie there. There's a bunch of loopholes for exploitation. There's a bunch of way. This is not a real job I don't get health insurance. They called me a private contractor. I'm not protected if something happens to me in a car. People don't have strong enough. Background checks something happened to the person who gets in the car with me or the consumer, and they're not really protected. They don't understand. So it was I just kind of enjoyed this this breakdown of it and I can't wait to finish this book and interview her. And I remember probably about ten maybe fifteen years ago up about ten. Ten fifteen when an AIRBNB I came to market You don't see him anymore. But AIRBNB commercials for a time when they first started with every fucking where and I can't speak about other countries. But here in America they pushed Airbnb as a chance for people to travel around the world around the country for cheap. Now. But the whole thing they used to have commercials where people will be like these villages and you know some nominee white person would be like I got travel to such I would have never been able to afford it if it wouldn't Airbnb and the people that we open up our home to this stranger and allow them to live here for a fraction of the price like like I remember that's how it was pushed. To implem- EMOJI and they indulged commercials were everywhere. They don't have they don't. They basically stopped showing commercials but for wow, you really could turn on your TV without some sweeping. You'll each of you of a village of you of somewhere where you know did this is quote unquote the future the the thing is for mean. No matter how quote unquote much people complained about corporations corporations have a place corporations have rules and regulations that they must follow certain things they must protect certain standards they have to have in certain certain things they are responsible for the fuck up you can sue them. It's a lot of things that are laid down in a foundation of these corporations that these new places that are popping up that will have the same rules. You know nobody talks about what happened if I get raped in in a uber until somebody raped a, you know nobody talks about what happened. If I'M GONNA AIRBNB and somebody steals my shit to own. Shit keep in mind the idea was pitched as. These things will not happen to you. The reason that bad things happen because big corporate bag is. The Meat Corporations. They only care about profits. They don't care about people, and that's why back things continue to happen. That's why racism happened in a hotel. That's why racism it would never happen. If you had a AIRBNB, go wait airbnb, there's less regulation and individual can simply be racist and there's nothing that can really be done by about it like they can just go every time a black person wants to. Rent I'm going to say no, you know and so we LE- You Li like I've never had to hide that I was black to rent a hotel room but for airbnb people routinely commonly I I'm GonNa, just let them know my race until I show up because I don't want to give them that chance to be like, oh no, I can't I forgot we can't we're book that weekend. And people have known to do that. But if I go to a Marriott bitch I show up and you tell me you not seven because I'm black is a mother fucking problem is the problem and they're held accountable and responsible for that right and so another thing they they see the the idea that these weren't corporations. It was the people doing people by people. Going person to person that also turned out to be bullshit they are corporations million dollar billion dollar corporations, skewed start-up fund capitalism venture capitalism to get these ideas off the ground, and then they become the bloodthirsty strangulation of capitalism on people's next one it's like we're going to price gouge. You know one of the ideas for either lift or uber was a, and well I couldn't get a cab in this town during the celebration on new years and you know just shut down and there was terrible experience I. Say, what if we got a place that could do this? It's like y'all charge surcharge pricing and people talk about it all the time. Dollars or more depending on the time depending on the date and because algorithms aren't Aren't emotional, right? They is not even just dependent on the time of day is a set of predetermined factors. So if a lot of people are wanting to use uber on any point in time right now, we all hit the button on. Are we WANNA over it then calculates everybody wants Uber Charge more right? Well, then you having things like there'd be a terrorist attack people over prowse got price-gouging essentially algorithm doesn't fucking no, you know. Okay, it's flooding. We don't know that what we know is everyone wants Uber you know so. You know these things that were pitched as like. They won't. Be Biased. Absolutely. Lead to other problems that you know the idea that they won't be is led to the the. Lack of planning four bias means when you go live AIRBNB, we're not going to have to worry about racism because you ranch hall to another person. Blah and they go. Yeah. But people can be racist come on so. While it might not be the policy of Howard Johnson to say black stance leave here someone could be named Howard Johnson and say I have airbnb you can't sleep here but find out your play you know so. It is interesting. How was all pitched and created as like this message? And what what essentially happened from there yeah, and also I'm not trying to be funny. It was a utopia that a lot of white people built lilly pitched other white people with the idea that they would know racism which was flawed from the beginning like literally it was flawed from the beginning because a lot of these pitches were actually never towards us because a lot of times they didn't expect us to actually supersede. Misses, out of Renton away from racism and then we get in there we fuck up the mix and then the racism poise out then I no, no, no no we didn't expect niggers to come. We expect these Brown people to come. We didn't spend LGBTQ people to actually use these services what the web was promoted to. Me was supposed to be the White Lily White, other white, and this is. Problem also who comes up with the idea who goes to silicon valley who gets approved for venture capitalists investment white men normally right. So the White Man's experience of the world normally leaves to these huge gaping issues that they don't see come in because their privileges covered up over that. So they're like, Hey. We you know why would you have an issue with someone not giving you a room and it's cost less than the hotels like because you might be black. You know will, why wouldn't you feel safe in someone else's house I might be a woman what if I'm traveling by myself? What if the person answers doors creepy I don't know like what you know who's checking the background person's a criminal. WHO's checking the background and see if I'm a criminal you know stuff that kind of might be important when you're talking about someone's personal boat are their guns in the house? Is someone filming me right to make sure I'm like they might say to make sure I'm not stealing something they might or they might just some creep filming mean to the C whatever like if it was a hotel room, I know exactly who to sue are all this shit you know. But in in real re regular life you know in someone's house, those are legal issues that may or may not even be covered. Yeah, and also the thing is. I understand that for a lot of people price is things like that is the big thing and I'm not knocking price but there are some situations where it is better to pay a higher cost for your safety, a higher cost for your sanity, a higher costs for the right to sue a higher costs knowing that the L. C. or whoever is behind this. So if something motherfucking goes roll, my family has the right to sue I have the right to sue you know because if something happens at McDonalds, I don't give a fuck of his corporation or or franchise your mother fucking McDonalds even if you show in the franchise person. McDonald's the them on the right of McDonalds, McDonalds, his motherfucking accountable right and I think that's the part that people kinda. Miss. They don't. You know they just missed in the entire thing is corporate responsibility because regardless of how you feel about capitalism corporations over motherfucking capitalist corporation Yes. Like it's just it's just your phone. It's. Like, they don't own a Lotta assets, but they're still they still count. So yeah, I think that was a big thing for people. That you know, and I can't wait to finish his book because I think so much of it and it doesn't mean. That these things can be made better or they can't be a better alternative to what we have is just that we know they're now we've done this is all the test. And we not getting results back from our test. Now, we know what works and what doesn't work and what the new pitfalls are how do we adjusted that? Yeah, and also for me. You know the services, the way that they're structured does nothing wrong with that the problem is that now there corporation. So they need to follow the same rules and regulations. You have all these hundreds and thousands of people on if you fucking employees dot this contract bullshit to cut cost. Did. You see what happened where Uber in them. Yeah. They lost that lawsuit that said, you have to treat these people's employees and not. And not just a contractors and they shut down the S. yes. Why? Because they're assholes they want to hold people hostage and the consumers now are complaining which I completely understand. If you're dependent on these services that get you around you, you should be mad but don't get mad at the people force them to do what they were supposed to do them the one think it should say a lot about their business plan. The way they pitched it right? Yes and how is the solution? We're GONNA WE'RE GONNA make it cheaper for people to get rise da Damon would say stuff like we're going to cut back on pollution and carbon emissions because people have to own less cars and you know not thinking of the full thing and all the way through which people might start buying a car. So they can be over drivers but whatever people are GonNa do lead that not. That's how this solution, right? And the one thing they never factored in was actually paying people a living wage. Taking care taken care of their health insurance stuff like that giving a one 401k's and benefits that was the one thing that causing entire company to set the fuck down like making billions of dollars though right the bare minimum. The bare minimum for any other company right they this this supposedly ethical solution didn't even consider the ethics of not employing people right? Because that was concerned it was like would just treat everybody contracts make money hand over fist, keep your truck, and then finally like you say, these years have passed by and I'll decide lotteries communities have seen what has happened. Once you get these GIG economies in your economy, how it riffles and fucked up other economies, how it messes with moms and pops how it messes with. You know independent people there might not be how how it how it. Impacts the economy we've had long enough for these places due to do these studies and in cities and states. Okay. This is the tax base, but they've done all these. Can't afford this pay people right. So yeah I I. Think it's one of those things where. Because they it, it's even more of a slap in the face because they pitched themselves as the ethical solution. So that's that's the extra part of it. That's like Oh wait this is even worse. You know you don't own any assets really because you don't own a car you don't you don't pay employees. As employees, payments, contractors, you have no fiscal responsibility. No legal responsibility when people get sexually assaulted and Shit Ev like this is actually like you don't even less than a taxi company and making money while claiming to be better than though. I can go. Take a look. Book. Anyway. From the? No. A reading rain. Book Reading Rainbow. We do have today. All. Los exa jazz where everybody. Do you like for Easter. I like free stuff myself. Big Big Council of free stuff and Adam and Eve is trying to help you get some free stuff right now. 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Negative be alright it just nego it didn't feel complete like you didn't roll off the tongue smooth like somebody said it a million times. To carries his thing my Nigga. Tires. got a real I can't get this shit vibe to it. Seriously The Black Blackburn non-american I like this breakdown corona by A. You know as blackbox we just like the yellow sheet. Talk. Part series. Now. Is Serious. Serious. Was Good. Very. Offbeat. I think he may have layered a few too many melodies on top of each other but it was busy. It was on point. Okay. It was on topic. They don't ask you that to Khurana virus very seriously like I'm on. Corona virus mcgahan. Good job the job buddy. All. Right Khurana Bar Songs Kentucky Fried Chicken is the latest victim of Corona virus paid him. KFC. They have removed finger licking good slogan from the buckets and ads. Because coronavirus. Select. Suspended, the use of the slogan that to sixty four years said, it doesn't feel quite right given the current climate. They blurred the slogan on his buckets of chicken in the UK and Ireland including completely instead of completely removing it well. Yeah. I mean they might not have had a brand new designing it. A, the team hasn't got together yet. You know everybody's you know social distancing. So yeah might not have got to squad together yet. Come up with a new slogan that fast. Thing is you know you gotta keep it because you know sooner or later people will be fingerling. Again I mean and you'd under race this Logan I biggest I, know somebody that has To say about this. Yes. She me. Disappointed yes the little girl she was. KFC. Don't be changing. I know. Easy I'll be disappointed they. All love is not being licking. Good. Health officials in multiple states report corona virus cases have been linked to the Sturgis more motorcycle rally. That was the rally of the white people refused to wear masks and South Dakota for ten days even though the city was like we actually don't whoa child like the citizens alive. We won't heal the government was like sure come on hundreds of thousands of people convened in western South Dakota for over ten days and. South Dakota Department of Health Officials say if you were twenty five people had so far tested positive after attending a rally which ended on Sunday, which means nothing because it takes between two weeks to. Yeah, it takes about two weeks they really know, and if it just ended I mean that's one of the problems with corona virus is that. People make decisions and it's not until two weeks later which they probably infected other people and Shit along the way on but two weeks later when we find out how bad decision that was he come home like that like everyone in the news is trying to be first and they keep rushing to do this I don't blame them necessarily and it's hard to keep people's attention spans in this. Environment, but the truth is. One person tests positive for coronavirus on the opening day at school is not actually the news yet. The new. There's two weeks later, right? When is I find out five hundred students. Got It. When you're like, well, God Damn didn't they? Almost jump. Yes. The normal job because. People that had it spread it now dull people. Got It. Now within weekdays walking around guess what now those people on the clock and then eventually that number going to jump again, right so. Anyway thank God Corona virus income for Bojangles Papa is a chick-fil-a. Trojan. Well, Charlie throughout find a guy corrupt corona. Corona virus outbreak linked to a wedding has led to one dead and dozens more affected. About Sixty five people tended to wedding reception in early August flat in the state fifty person limit on indoor gatherings about to beat it though, right. To. On people. It was a big move in and millinocket August seven. The main CDC said this main you know what would the people have been wrong if they'd have been counting heads but I? Oh JATTA reached out number they probably would have had a fucking fit. But you know what I don't know about I think about that sheet to that to the fat yeah. Basically capacity and the people, and that's the thing about enforcing employees to to do this how of what you can and cannot do because no people knew that too many people invited. But I. Just if they didn't people came, they went on a list. I mean, they know they're over fifty up. So I? Just think people listen. No one thinks is going to happen to them. Yes. They banded exception to the rule the virus no one thinks is going to happen to them, and that's the thing that everyone acts accordingly you know 'cause I like this one I feel like the Weirdo me no I I don't go see my parents and shit because I'm like this is real and this is what they're saying to avoid doing everything is kind of a risk and everything you want to be like you know. I think I've been careful. My parents have been careful fairly make careful, but it only takes one person. And every time I, read a story like this. It just gives me the resolve to be like, no, we can wait this out. Hopefully. It'll be a vaccine or something at some point, and then we can go back to normal. But as of right now, no, I'm not willing to be in one of these stories where I you know they already had to win plan. What else go like yeah. That's up. Yeah this is this is the new reality. Yes, and I and my thing is like I said I had to learn how to solve them a heart because people are GonNa be people and I understand people miss people, people conjugation, and like you said, he's calculated risk that people take and this is the end result of that calculated risk, which is fine. You know. It's like you can't act shocked and surprised when should happen. But this is the part of the calculated risk that nobody cares until happens at. But these are the calculations did nobody cares because they calculate they're not going to be impacted by the part that feels fake to me is how much people scorn these folks that that? Have situations like this. Because unlike y'all participate in similar sheet. You just didn't get corona virus it's. Like it's really just a lucky people aren't social distancing there. Now, people aren't wearing masks at all times. Aren't you know not touching stuff in Washington? Has You know you see these pictures people go out and do shit and like it's human to WanNa do shit. Yes. Human to take the risk because you WANNA take the risk is just weird that we didn't come down on people like, wow, I went to awareness Manetti you went to some shit on your you went to the mall hang out or you went to you went out to eat like all this shit is the. Same, Kinda. Shit. You know everyone has a different level of tolerance for everybody has has a different level of thing with the alliance they're willing across, and the thing is like you said, people make you through a widow. When you go I am choosing not to cross any other lines and people would act. Right there's something wrong with you for saying yes, I would love to see my Momma Rogers parents there my knees I would absolutely love to sit in a room and have a conversation with them and hug on Amick kiss on them and shit like that and laughing jokes but. For me personally I'm like I I, haven't been tested I. Don't know if I got it I don't know of any been tested and for me the the and that's the it's a personal decision thing and I'm not judging you if you if you feel like, okay, this is going long enough. I've had enough I've go through a crazy that's cold like but you know you also take calculated risks and I'll take calculated risks to just by going to the grocery store and just doing simple shit you know like once you walk outside your house you looney taken a calculated risk. Yeah you really don't know until later if you've got. You know there's been very few instances of people getting at the grocery store stuff like that. It's been very low. But what if you're one of those isn't is and you feel like, but I've been social business in our safe at the grocery store. You don't actually know that shift for two weeks you literally will have to completely social isolate for two weeks to. Be Sure you don't fucking have it and you're not contagious, and that's really a lot to ask of any individual person period and ask of all of society and not GonNa get that. So I think when people wanting lean like flouted. I think that bothers people more but I mean, shit, these restaurants are open yesterday like people have decided that they're they're going to. Think that this stuff is eight people the government and the people who run things I've decided. Hey, this is safe enough I don't expect no one to go out to eat that's to meet. That would be me driving myself crazy I can just choose not to do it for me. Yeah. But it's not about what I've for other people and I used to be willing people. I'm not lie I used to just judge the fuck arium you know and one of those things I had to let their anger go because it it it was like really Me Like to the extreme. because. I'm like motherfucker. Got Down I can't you. But then I was like Oh people oh, people are gonNA people like once you understood that it may just be like you know what? I I can't control you but I get your me I. Don't want it. So I'm GonNa do everything I cannot get. Everybody and that's the thing. I can't trust people because everyone thinks they're being safe correct. I haven't met one person that's like, oh no, I'm being risky as. Everyone no matter what lights out of what they behave for you from day to day week to week even when their behavioral changes they never go. Okay I am being a bit more riskier than I was always like, no, it's just the safest when I used to stay in my house and not do anything. Okay but now you're going to the club that's different. Now, I will save I will say for the club it's like I saw the video more focus was. Known each other no mask or you had a mass other people didn't have a mass y'all hugged up. Like, you're not being you're not following the guidelines. No I'm saying I have massed. Okay. All right. Like it's is that kind of thing. So you just have to be like I can't trust you to tell the truth on your cell. I don't know how to force people are dating 'cause I. Don't I couldn't trust the person because no, one thinks they're doing a bad job like, right you almost need somebody. Oh No no no actually I was somewhere and somebody. I went to the gym so I can be like, Okay Coco. So we don't see each other this week move maybe next week. You know like some people I don't think honest, and then we throw on these other incentives. You know loneliness sex drive of companionship out of stuff house people got a reason to lie. Because the thing is is human nature, and now it's almost like a stigma to have grown virus regardless of how you caught it because some people are like I'm. There are percentage of people who I'm doing the best. I cannot call it but then there are more people that are like. I'm doing what I can. I'm still doing this risky behavior, but I'm doing what I can it kind of the middle and then you have the people at the extreme just like fuck virus and those people actually feel like they're following the room to so was lying a we all can't be following the rules on the same level and the thing is nobody. Expected to last that long you know is one of those things. If you go cold, we're going to be here for you know a few months and now turned into six months, and now you know eventually it might be a four year and a few months and people did not expect this and is not human nature to actually just be away from people. So. Thomas Resto. Bar. Club. Crush kills thirteen as Peru police say party that was violating the lockdown. So. What a crush is because I didn't know the crush was until I read this and care and love to tell you when she doesn't know things go ahead care off that you know I don't know. I am uncle is that our? Yard. Go further. I don't know what to hear that he is the. Young people they made were talking about. The crush happened has revelers tried to lead Thomas Resto Bar Club in Lima's lost all evolves distract some eyewitnesses said, tear-gas Jews. So crush is literally when people get crushed to death trying to exit a place. So fifteen of three arrested had tested positive for corona virus. So. People in Club. Coruna. Virus. Mass partying. Mass or not, but they got Khurana vars. Department. Today got question. Peru has been among the Latin American countries hardest hit by covid nineteen. It has accorded more than five hundred, seventy, six, thousand cases of Corona Virus and more than twenty seven thousand fatalities. A nighttime crew has been in place by the way because we're in America I'm like is that a lot That's fucked up shit right. A nighttime curfew has been in place since March in a in a ban on large gatherings was reimposed as month. Peru's interior minister said around one hundred and twenty people had attended the illegal birthday gathering on Saturday. At the police raided, the club partygoers tried to escape through the single exit trampoline each other getting trapped in the stairways, eleven, men, and two women Asia Twenties and Thirties Died O. O. Wonder why we have like safety codes and fire marshal's they'd be like they can be so many. It's the reason why we had these but I look you need to exit exit and the Bet X. Zone decides yeah. When the police raided impossibly tear gas being used it doesn't matter what the rules are. That's true even if you follow and everything people are going to panic and you could get killed it didn't say this violating the fire code there. No know that but but. Like yeah I mean because think about it. That means the police will probably coming in through another entrance. So maybe there's three eggs I don't know if okay obviously were wherever to police coming in. That direction yeah. Appears the police and threw tear gas canisters at them boxer man. said that someone on a local radio a resident said that but the police say they didn't use to guys the club honors a married couple were also detained. Six people were injured including three police officers president. Vizcaya. Said large gatherings comment posing a serious threat to public health. I. This is another country that mentality is real people going people. Springfield police are looking for a suspect who gave out. Kobe hug at Walmart. And identify man sought after by sought after by Springfield police is flanders out there acting the food. This. I don't think so okay. Hey. Neighbor given her come out. No somebody. Walk through the story I don't amass and he would just come up to people use wearing a black t-shirt with Arrow printed on the Fran and camouflage shorts. He would just embrace several strangers before telling them that they were infected with corona virus and nobody his ass. For one person in particular the unidentified man walked up to another man in the Boston store took an item from the man's hand and then hugged them. He told the victim just giving you a bit her you now have covert. They. Encounter was a poor family don't know. If. I think New Jersey. Passed a law was a felony. Everywhere. Don't do that bullshit I don't give a fuck if you've got it or not. Not I, think a hopes are not well as a person believes in restorative justice Karen I would just simply you know enter into restorative justice. Act with the offender in the Kobe gone over there and and Y'all hash that out. I would say, Oh, people are just hug him back and say listen. You have hard the community. And we need to now enter into transformative justice right now. My fist to your face through a series of emails and correspondence we will work on something loosens I will give you an outline on how to you know restore the harm that you have calls. And as we restore your, you'll face wants it hits the ground we start at Bitch, and then when my you know Kobe kills me in two weeks. You know then I guess if he choose to opt out at that point of the restorative justice, that's just what will happen. because. That's how it works. No, we ain't. You wait on same age go to jail. Again I'm Kamala. According to the city's cities law, a person who communicates a threat either directly indirectly orally or in writing about or other means can be charged with making terroristic threats. Whether or not the suspect has the coronavirus. A Nice dating that he does Cook does could be considered a threat. South got a picture of the person and they looking for so we'll see but he got a mask on his shades or something so. They might not find. NYC. Here, restaurant to restaurant tours voiced concerns about vehicles smashing into outdoor dining areas. So. Because they've now been like a saver to eat outside right which it is. Now, what are they gonNa do the tiffany drops. Yeah I mean. What are they going to talk right now anyway. So what are you GonNa do when the temperature goes up it don't. Drop going to be outside fucking freezing. Yes Oh. New York Trying to be inside with the coronavirus can't really fucking matter. It could be Arctic temperatures or could be fucking. Hot as the fucking mercury it don't matter point choice on or go home code I'm good on that. Go outside to go home. That's it like we eat up in here. So I always call it. I. Guess I could come inside and get the coronavirus dont know right so these choices don't eat outside or eat outside. So. You know and now you take a chance of getting hit by vehicles. Right now, that's the thing they're eating and because eating, they've had to basically make seeding into the street. Oh. Okay. Okay. Trying to accommodate. We'll people would normally eat inside right and now been at least four instance vehicles smashing and the restaurants outdoors setups injuring diners as a result says, outdoor dining started wasiyu in. Hey I'm eating here. That's my new. York. the most recent surprise bike ride is the bikes don't hear them either. I don't know I'll look up that article next the maybe they are hitting them I'm assuming today ours eaten on bikes to the most recent it took place last month when a van slammed into a cafe, the corner of First Avenue. East. Seventy four story though no injuries were reported several other alarming crashes to the place in July. As well as. Including the SUV slammed into a Queens restaurant twelve covers as. Zones. which injured for our people and truck smashed into the outdoor dining area sunset park bar lorraine, which led to three injuries. That's a new thing to watch out for on the menu. Also, watch out for them cars. Can we get a seat by not by the? Cross while is that okay is that okay I wait on the table closer to the door Away from the sidewalk I don't WanNa. Okay. If I'm near the bathroom this time. And lastly, Corona virus what are the risk of catching it from food packaging? I'll just go ahead and help you US very low. Pay Real. Traces Okay Ron buyers will reportedly found on Pakistan and China recently seimas the frozen shrimp and frozen chicken wings from South America, and then that raise questions like wake can it be transmitted through food packaging? Well, in theory might be possible but we have zero cases of that. Be How people got it. So it has been months now since pandemic started we literally have. Just want millions of people who have gotten it. We have zero cases of I went to whole foods picked up some chicken wings and Aga- Corona virus, which is one of the reasons that I keep stressing restaurants, businesses and schools telling you we wipe things down doesn't really bucking Matt, does take your temperature no matter air is is people are breathing it yes. Other Shit. Listening boy is good. Almost be relevant if somebody's going. Basically. The only way you can really get it from a surface they think is someone sneezing or coughing directly onto that surface. I, mean you touching it within a couple of hours of someone doing that, and then you touching your face is is knows So it seems that that is actually the least likely way. People are GonNa get it not that you should stop being cleaned. You know, I know black people you know we love being clean. Okay. We we will let you know how clean we are whether you ask us or not right in all of clean at all times. It don't matter. We pretend like we just. Link Black, people I get. A lot of. Slavery. Yes. Sir We call dirty and nasty all lives, and now we gotta every day. We gotta fuck have the Clean Olympians on like. Nigga you don't fuck in. Shampoo moisturizer condition your your pubic here look disgusting. Your legs day I, you know I don't particularly being at home. Stuff like that. Okay. To blacks to judgment of the black to judgmental. House someone just emailed us right now cares nasty and dirty. She don't even show lotion her legs every single day. So don't. Don't you know I don't I don't want to deal with that smoke. So please don't say stuff like that on the air I was being how to react on twitter to anyone saying anything that is less than fucking hospital level clean at all times. Okay. So let's just let's just nip that in the bud because I don't need these negative staten on me or my wife. But yeah, that is the. That that's how you get it is through people breathing it. So basically, what they're saying is to be safe and it's been the same for a while now. Just. To come home, you don't need a disaffected food packaging. Speaking of people overly being cleaned care. Oh we do that right. We don't need to know right but I mean I say we can stop at any time. I. Mean Washing your legs which you will take out that car wife and go to town on groceries. Yes. Exactly because those lotion an coronavirus. So a neither is gonNA step down, but it don't matter you. I'm not as logical. Okay. So basically, what they said is you don't need to do all that. You don't need those fucking microwave everything. You don't need any of that. You just need to wash hands thoroughly at the pack of your groceries and Shit. Just at you after you buy your groceries a shake, you WANNA wash hands on a pack on their wash hands. That's basically what the guidelines saying now. So say if you get a delivered as well, wash your hands that Kinda shit the only way you will get into the person that's delivering. It has grown Avars sneezes directly. You'll share in the hands it to you I. mean you protect your face so You know and also because it's not lab. Standards or whatever we're. Not Talking my lab like. Environment. Corona vars most viruses do not last very unstable environments where there's temperature changes when movement stuff like that the odds of it lasting for long periods of time, it's just a lot lower so Are we gonNA Fight GonNA fight with knowledge. Okay. That's what we do at the blackout here we're going to have. This information arm you guys. So you don't feel paranoid or scared out of time. Okay. I. Watched it. Do be afraid to go to a win. You don't be to go to the store that's all I'm saying where mask anyway they're both of them stay away from people everywhere. If you had to stand up show hey, I'm a standard show six away from ass I always ask who going to be there. You know that's the number. One thing because you know you know your people and you will. BE A. Around buyers. Also, still say six feet away from people and. Your mask. Okay. Let's see. Go out and in. That's the thing. I think people just want some form enormously Salah I don't blame them. But yeah, just cover your face social distance. Ohio becomes a four state to remove west from the presidential ballot. Toe Joh- does she it was nothing to worry about if you're going to be worried, be worried about his mental health? But as far as being worry day, he's gone win presidency a win something living portion of the vote. No, and if you think if you really think black people gonNA, come out in droves West you. Need to come to grips with the fact that you all races. Only arises person would think that we are going to both Kinda us because we're black I don't even like when people say, oh Chris et Michelle canceled but not. His concerts are full of fucking white people come home. By I don't even know why going to eat a fucking boogeyman. He just a negative. We don't fuck with like that. No more. To has some dope as albums. Okay. But that's it you listen to. Vote for this man. Come on now. cure for herpes future. Morte million Americans It is good. What a ten million Americans suffer from oral herpes of is it causes painful doors but a cure because it'd be around the corner. I wonder if they was working. Corona by she knows like, ooh how? Does anybody or herpes your that's normally what happened like they working on. It's not run across something else. Yeah. Scientists and Seattle. They have found a cure and they discover also paid away to eradicating genital herpes to go out that'll be dealt. Man A lot of people have harpies man. And that's what else was against stigma type thing as. Or you're not dirty. Hygienic Millions of people have the all form of herpes. People you know movies as. Jokes and she it's very much like a year dirty your nasty the donate pop up around like a cold tour. Yeah and something we have cold toward people just assume that that's what it is. When you go nods you got a cold. So yeah, they might be. They might be able to cure it which I hope they. Can you know saying? Over is making Election Day holiday her company own what is this doing? This some black capitalism. How I got mood I'll. Cover this later. Over there Give black capitalist flowers here. Let's see. absolut absolutely repugnant Biden's campaign fortunately disavows endorsement for neo. Nausea Richard Spencer. Richard Spencer is endorsing Joe Biden. Interesting. Richard Spencer is endorsing Joe Biden and then I don't know could be trying to do it to to diss Joe Joe Biden to like sabotage Joe Wow. Why is the premises agrees with them and I'm sure the people on the left and Rayleigh Do you call them read? Were the right wing and The fucking oils people off. The. Like Russia and mother motherfuckers I'm sure that they are going to be down. Where we're being like Oh. This is evidence that Joe by Shit but. Here's my vein. What you're supposed to do This leadership. When Joe Rogan invited had. When Joe Rogan who I think either. May Have had Richard on his show I'll believe or he keeps courting Richard Vincent on his show and stuff like that when. When Joe Rogan to play around in the sandbox of the outright people when he endorsed Bernie Bernie became defenders of Joe. Rogan. Which I thought it was disgusting because you could have accepted the endorsement and been like. Birdie doesn't have any technology and phase of buried day -nology but they celebrated and I thought you have no principles. You Rail and you talk about morals and you talk about integrity, you can't be a moral person and and apply dish shit. You can't this righteous person and excuse the things that you know he said or whatever the case it with. Now you could listen you could just I'm not that fucking moral in which case you now don't have as much of an argument against the candidates but at least be true like I just WanNa win I really don't give a fuck how we do it and he's cool with me I know I've been saying I'm against all the shit that he you know kind of plays around in the sandbox up but actually, I am not really against it that much help us win. Totally. reasonable. I understand you. You Know No, you don't get to slam everybody from more horse now but hey. At least you're being an honest, right another thing That that I think is interesting here is that Biden comes out immediately his campaign like, no, we don't fuck what you what are you doing? Like we don't want you to endorsement fuck you. That's the right thing to do. That's actually integrity. That's what I you know. I would rather seem. Bernie. Say Some Shit like that and I'm not saying Joe Rogan in Richardson all the fucking same I don't think they were saying I think is a big difference but I do think it's interesting like The lies he will have. You know what I mean where you couldn't be like, yeah I don't really fuck him and he endorsed me but I don't need acknowledge that. So anyway, I say Joe Biden meal like now we don't really focus on the fuck away from us. Michigan we'll pay six, hundred, million dollars, the flint water victims. But this madness. According to people now don't matter six, hundred, million dollar settlement said to be announced this week. Residents of were left ill had to allow bottled water. But what was most was damaging effects on the children? Therefore, the money will largely be designated for children who were poisoned by the lead tainted tap water. So you've already messed up some of these children's health for life. And then basically, the solution is to be lie. Here's the money. Is Not enough. I don't know what that is. But unless shock on but we're GONNA fix these pipes we're going to go in. Fixed all the. People home and actually truth be told the children there that are actually the children that have passed and producers. Some have passed the pass different needs to be paid. Children are living the action medical care for the rest of their lives or the water was switched back Lake Huron but the damage had already been done on top of that. There is still a distrust city officials flint residents, which is. From residents which is why it's common for residents use bottled water for cooking drinking bay. So some people ain't gonNA be like fucking. I'm never going to go and that's why I said unless you. We're all this shit. We're going to just go in and just Redo it unless you do that I think what people are like no this is still the same fucking pipes I don't trust you. Is Not the pipes is where they got the water from. Okay. Nowadays switch to water back to late here on his the word water used to come from when it was clean and near like we don't trust you. Why would they yeah they? Yeah. They abuse try so yeah. Last year data nestled attorney general says she was dropping pending criminal charges against government officials were involved with the scandal. She also vowed to continue the investigation, but there's been no news charges, fouls thousands. Of course not yeah. They not going to know there are thousands of lawsuits people. So yet a pause in those people where there are thousands of lawsuits filed by residents against State Court appointed officials help residents reached settlement agreements. If you live in flint between two, thousand, Fourteen and twenty sixteen, you may be eligible for settlement claim which is said to be disbursed twenty twenty one. So Yep. We'll see what happens with that, but a judge to decide who gets what money and stuff like that. So. Yeah. Your help is on the up and up you help people get you know fully taken care of, but who knows? All right. Let's see. What else do we want to talk about? Jeremy smollet. Who you now from underground and now a lovecraft country. The thirty three actress WHO's been acting says I want to say es by you maybe. I'll think that was the movie she was originally on when she was a kid who was like twelve. And she said that she has been sexually harassed almost every set says she was twelve. Assault she spoke with Hollywood reporter she talked about pay disparities subliminal over efforts to raise blackness and sexual harass. She's experienced. Career. She told reporter lazy roles their upcoming HBO series lovecraft country was wondering a few productions in which she did not experienced sexual harassment from the time she was a child. I don't know that I can confidently say that I worked on work. Sorry. I can't I don't know that I can confidently say that I worked on one job prior to love craff from the time I was twelve on where I hadn't been sexually harassed whether was buying assistant, Director Co Star director producer she said. She later clarified there were a number of other film and TV sets where she did endure this kind of abuse blah. Emphasize it was quite common like a guy saying before we're about to do this love saying, Hey, you take going to be hanging in the wind is not okay. She said before revealing she has stepped away from project because the misconduct was so bad and they let me out. A small let's say she has learned how to navigate the industry never hesitate to make a voice her she told hr at decided on a lovecraft country taught it produces all sexual banter would be off limits and I don't apologize I'll be listening this fake aspects harassment mean we're having I'm going to raise my hand now and let you guys noted the standards that they're setting are the bare minimum. So. Yeah I mean I believe it takes a while for. People to kind of. Like people look at it like the me too movement and Shit like that. But it's like it takes a long time for women. They matter agency to power positions to to really poor rank. It'd be like rolling your learning you're finding your voice all why getting harassed. Yeah and we'll just in general like not just this one woman but women taking a long time for women to even be able to move into positions and socially had the right to say I don't want this and it had to be indefinite of their career right now she's a pitch I hate working for her it was like why not? One time trying to cobble minorities and she just got a big attitude and Oh my God I'm like, how are we gonNa do this love thinking of I can't talk about this ridiculous you know. And I think a lot of these workplaces that are inform like that. They're just land mines for Shit uh-huh. Like I'm sure she just happening all the time 'cause. Is Not it like stuff happens informal work places already but once you take the light office setting the HR department. All. That type of Shit and now becomes a movie set where there is a HR department somewhere. But it's not like you working opposite you walk down the hall and they're they're ranked You know and when you do things where you're gonNA be naked today for part of your job? You know maybe it's going to be comedy in this next scene. Someone's GonNa cry but it's acting someone who's GonNa fight but acting I can see how people blurred alive and take advantage of those blurry lines. It'd be like I'm GonNa say or do some some just fucked up shit has nothing nobody can do stop me. and I can just be like we'll work you know. All right. Let's see what else we got here. Florida woman FIS python an her laundry machine. Oh How did this happen? I don't know she came back to her highrise apartment from Iran was she decided check on her laundry when she saw two snake, she initially water. If it was a snake print clothing, she decided to reach nothing she is it was a living snake in her laundry machine. Yes you call. ME. She powered apartment maintenance to remove the snake. She has no idea how it got in her larger room. Acted food of a one SUCATO. So No. Thank you. Yeah, you know what amazing thing is. This could be idea for the sequel to tell us make come on Grog? Larger snake okay. We could do a washing machines make. Dryer snake. Main we gotta whole franchise. Complete sets into shared toilets make universe come on shared. You know they get into high rise apartments. Now, they don't give a fuck Guy Wash snakes May. Let's see what else is happening. After like talking about. You know what? Let's get into some fucking black people. That's what we should do next. All right. How about that? People, which is what does laxed. Sra Child, Tom play the game. We all hate the play. It's fucking black people. Again, it goes all around. The glow makes us feel fucked with. Read articles megadeal will deal signed point scores, zero two, hundred, twenty, five. Contestants, everybody. A fucking with us today I'll. Let's see. Apparently. The TV show all rise which I believe stars my girl. Soma sink haven't seen it but I heard nothing but good things about it. Oh, you have heard nothing but good thing. Oh Allow me to change that for you tonight. Okay. Multiple writers from the CBS courtroom drama all rise have walked out the show over mistreatment by series show runner Greg spottiswoode isn't that good. According to The New York Times report, which will publish on Thursday five of the seven original writers of the one Bros television produced series including three of his highest rank writers of color quit. That's not good. who was wiped reportedly ignored attempts to have the show accurately reflect the experiences of people. Even, the CO show runners the Neal Nair. An Indian American man made his exit from the show following clashing. Over the script and cooling one isn't it was. Attempted to remove a scene where the main character discuss racist policing with a black bailiff at the he had been wrongfully stopped by while jogging. And a main character I believe is the moment a black woman sold have been a black woman judge talking to the black bailiff about cops races and he wanted out of the show it is what CBS Yes. Okay. Yes and this this aimed station when supergirl was over there was like we don't want super go to fly. Right you like the is. Girl. The scene which was written by Nair Nair was ultimately kept in the show. Yeah. But the even the fight to get something like that initial take something out of you and unless you know where the other guys I shouldn't have to I could see creative differences but I shouldn't have to fight you tooth and nail just to get it there. Right the fact that still be asked that question tells me that there are people on the show who are incapable of writing for people. Of Color, as should not be writing for people to color air wrote in an email to the shells producer according to the Times one or brothers issued a statement on the toxic work environment saying that they could not find enough evidence to get rid of spots woods yet. However, they did side of corporate coach to advise him. Talk about your corporate coach. Doing high him to do the job full reason. As, soon, as we became aware of the concerns of the arise writer's room, we took steps to conduct a review of the work environment. The fines not reveal conduct that will warrant removed. From executive producer Oh. Yes. Well, the other thing too is you can't proved that is raises. Him saying I just didn't think the scene belonged show is not an overt like I hate black people moment is just a away. Agreement between two riders and you know in other he's Indian. American he's not even black. So this isn't me saying you know I'm projecting black people. I just think this idea is. And so yeah, you don't have a formal way to get him out of the room but when five out of seven people be like Disney races that raises flags company, you've like the fuck are you doing over there for this many of the writers to leave a show that has good ratings what are you doing Sir Right? And that's the only reason why they care because they riders left. and. It don't sound like they sound non-serbs closeness today talking. that. Well, that's the thing. No like. I'm not sure they cuarto care is only so much. They can do correct like the rules are ridden in soda you can't just like you need a smoking gun. and. If it he wouldn't put certain plotlines in show. That's not the smoking gun that we might think why people. But to the people that determine when are we firing somebody? WHO's GonNa quit who's going to be able to sue US and win a quarter law. I can see how they will be life. Not Enough he has a chance of winning these writers like this is not enough. And, the riders don't appear to be so and they just quit they like fuck this guy right which muffler quitting in a pandemic you know serious own. When it appeared the riders room struggling to function as a fake Eliza Shit. I recognize that I needed to change house work voluntarily sought Management Training and leadership coaching and knowledge that I have had I can have a rhetorical professor professorial tone in the room that can be perceived by some as condescending. That means you're fucking. you talking to him got crazy and that I can be the physical and creative conversations. Debase show runners went when the show runner went on to add remained strongly committed to improve my communication style and skill and being a more inclusive leader. Sure and the writers and artists are not just her feel listen to respect to save value. Okay. Okay. Okay. I. Mean Not to get off topic this Nigga basically says I'm an as. He say it right and thereby cooling keep your job. Now Ellen. She's she's mean she did she that. In she lose her job but this nick and come out and say I swing my Dick at the meetings and tell everybody kiss my ass motherfucker day. But Oh yeah I'm going to go and take some social training and she ended be all right. Ellen whole show gotta go right she this dude. Listen I admit I can be a bit defensive. Okay. Sometimes I get passionate like the thing I keep thinking is the rules are different for white men because the rules are written by white men correct and that's why you'll never see them touched in the same way. You know what I mean like it take it would take him probably physically doing something to somebody. or or saying racial slur before it was like, okay we do think he needs to leave right bios gets a string they sales up. Yeah. Being mean is not going to be enough to get him out of the pay. That's my whole. Home of the fucking point even with it being raised and I know people get lost in this new is and think that also Ya defending ellen like, no, we're just saying Ellen's a victim of a double standard while also. While also probably begin mean people right like both one of them is a me. You know what it is a maybe they can relate to this example is Serena, Williams yelling at the lodge. Where you're like, well, technically anyone can get fucking like kicked out for yell reprimanded for yelling at a line judge anyone that can happen to any player period you're not supposed to do that. Is the dental that Serena. The one I is very rare situation where she ends up losing appoint because of this shit like. Other people have gone co ballistic. Destroyed, they racket cuss them people Samak out on lap television and some even our beloved before four that's their thing. Like macaroni Kerry caregiver also have you pronounce houses name and so it's like A double standard that these focus benefit pro 'cause Serena's not allowed to be angry So they're LAN judge making judgment call is like fuck that you outta line data is subliminal yes. Like you gotTa pay you got Outta Line. You're not. You don't have a right to get out of line in that way. So you know it's interesting that this happened at there's really nothing is going to be done and now you got five writers that have walked out of the job and I think when people quit that way, the hope is to raise attention. So they fired the person in charge and that ain't gonNA happen. I guess they'll hire new writers and keep it pushing and it's GonNa be interesting to see how to ride and changes. Not. Just that. The concept of the show. It tells you a lot that they thought a show about a black woman judge. Was this man thought that? It's not about race. You know what I mean like Whoo Yeah we have a black woman judge like Bela, but why would they be talking about police racism? They work in criminal justice system. What does that have to do with anything? Test shows to his disconnect from the beginning right. So what the fuck was the show about then in the beginning like you have a black judge, why did you promote it as the black woman judge show and because they won't the black views is without the racism. Interesting. MIAMI. Racism about talking about racier. Zero, to one hundred. Oh did this right here is a one hundred I don't know what's going to happen but allowed times when you have some of their highest ranking writers, which means somebody probably most diverse writers who would have push certain topics that talked about certain things. They're room no longer have a voice and times you know they're going to replace people that aren't GonNa. Fight against the grain, they're going to replace people not funny I'm just glad I got a job type of people I'm going to get into feeding. Ever, plays those people with and so it wouldn't surprise me if the ratings go down and eventually show gets canceled because we're gonNA like his boring. Now, this issue, this is like the judge show Gile been touting earth for the past five years and everything won't bitches got cancelled delivers goddamn boring I. Remember every year we get one or two shows with a woman with a white woman. All or another woman of color them shits get canceled I. Remember CBS. Anybody else but I remember that's got them bitches boring. Yeah. I, give it a hundred because this is how it works. You have people that work their whole lives to be writers in situations like this they go through all the loopholes, channels and programs they get a job they didn't get basically disrespected because. She there for your opinion even though it's a fucking writer's room like we're here for you to go along to get along, we're here for you to basically shut the fuck up be black in the room and leave it at that. But a room writer's room is mostly just con- conceptual ideas. So to have black people on a show with a black lead, go be told your ideas on race are not wanted your ideas on how black people will react are not valid i. Of Man who has the highest position in the room have decided that Mr professorial condescending tone that your blackness is not valid here and it did not determine how this character was the world and they just can't even imagine a what is like to be black what is like to be informed by blackness and how race does inform former decision making and how racism informed decision making the I did it. There will be a fucking black judge who is working in the criminal justice system. Of her life and she wouldn't notice police have systemic racist issues is insane to me. You know even if you unless you unless the show was just she's a coon. There what? The puck the shelby about now I give it a hundred I don't like it. Surprised many black trump supporter social media accounts are fake. No Shit mostly the counselor fake that's why he don't want them to give you A. facebook reportedly removed dozens of accounts on a black trump supporters in quotes discovered to be generated by troll farm in Romania. The social media. Company says, the farm of accounts violated his policies against coordinated it authentic behavior. July. Enforcement Activity reports stays facebook removed thirty five personnel, cows, three pages, an ADA instagram accounts for violating policy against foreign affairs, which is core data inauthentic behaviour on behalf of foreign entity. You know what I fi-. Interested in is I bet things that those accounts were asking black people to do. Very very similar to the things that. A lot of black people are doing now. Yeah without help Dongpo Joe Biden is the same as trump. We come Cop Milo we sit this one out and I'm supposed to you know have respect for these fuckers that say stupid shit and you're just like them butts activity by the pro-trump network originated in Romania. Out according to the report with. Some of the Hashtag on instagram being hashtag black people vote for trump the paid has had about sixteen hundred followers on facebook and around seventy two hundred people. Follow Council is the people behind this network use fake accounts some of which had already been detected disabled by automated systems to poses Americans amplify comment on their own content and manage pages included Tom. Posing, as president trump fan pages, facebook said of the farm. In this report, this network posted about US domestic news and events including the upcoming November election, the trump campaign and support for the campaign by African Americans. Every conservative. Christian beliefs and you a nine. they also frequently reposted stories by American conservative news networks and the trump campaign. facebook already also removed hundreds of fake accounts connected to e Park Media Group, which is like seven of media operation. Organization Wichita says whereas conspiracy theories about the coronavirus pandemic that network consisted of three hundred and three facebook accounts one, hundred, eighty pages forty four groups thirty one instagram accounts combined these troll accounts had two million followers. Why are they doing that? What is what is a? What is the benefit of a corporation that is spreading conspiracy theories about the fucking corona. vars. What is the? Where's the you know what I'm saying like? What's the the thing that they're getting from that? I don't know I'm I'm asking legitimately. I don't know. Like what's the money in it for them like I don't get it. Yeah. Yeah. Somebody's gotta be paying these people doing this for nothing right and then who's paying them and why? Like you know what I'm saying because you got to follow the money People really do because you the money you find out a real purpose behind it and a lot of raise a Lotta Times is. Connected, to trump because these people are pushing trump agendas Arkansas begin like. We'll tell them. It's no big deal because they already like trump when he says it's no big deal. They'll be like facebook. told me. You know I I. Guess Anyway. zero to one hundred. Oh On. As where you Kinda knew that these accounts fake, right you know because. I wouldn't say a blacks for trump. You know right? It's so things you go. Oh. These these the council they can't be real. You know you do have some real live people that fall for this shit but you know there's a small percentage of the population. Yup. Trump claims low black turnout in two thousand sixteen helped him in the office and. Leaked fish leaked audio it was great. He says no shit voter suppression and you know. Read. You know redistricting area. Changing laws you know voting down Parsa the voting. Rights Act. Yes. Like that should matters dumb. Asses out here talking about your vote don't matter and and and and. You know voting a enough. Yes. Why can't I vote in March? Why I got the pick like that that is very stupid idiotic people. There's like you know I'm so morally high grounded that I feel like I'm going to vote third party but what about our emails I go down to home of the fucking list of things that add it contributed to this and one these things were no. As a toto. Black people were not. Edna. Totality we were not like the reason racism is why he won but the thing is you have a percentage of people that played a role into other black people not voting and I feel like they don't WanNa take responsibility and so to kind of get away from that they would i. it's not it's not our fault, but you contributed to it and that's the problem you contributed to the Arezzo of less black people voting. You're no and a Lotta Times begins groups as guineas clicks in internet. Make you think you right at all times? Yeah that's pretty much all of it. You say so. A Group of civil rights, leaders, dirt meeting at trump towers days before his inauguration many blacks, they can go out to vote for Hillary because they liked me that was almost as good as getting the vote trump's an audio, the meaning that was a political it was great. The meeting was held on Martin Luther King Junior day in two thousand seventeen. With leaders from the drum major institute of voting. Rights group founded by Dr King Harry Watch. Watch. Tail in regards to proposal to put photo identification on social security card combat voter ID laws the meeting was attended by Martin Luther. King the third William Tale James Fours Johnny Mac and Scott Richler. Tessie Warhol Wash tells the chief of staff recorded the meeting from his iphone and shared it with political warhol born Teddy Mook Mall provided audio as part of his process of transitioning from a lawyer to an artist and activist having left is law firm back in November. The first thing I can never forget is how when you walk and trump name drives, all these black celebrities try to give the illusion they're his friends. Yeah and thank Nigger, we know this. Don't take. Over there because it's all a political stunt is about images about photo op you know because his whole thing is the blacks like. You know we don't even call ourselves the motherfucking blacks that shows you how racist sees the also bragged about winning eleven percent of the black vote in two thousand sixteen of which he actually one eight percent of the vote because he can't help himself. And criticize stay of the country's intercity saying they're in bad shape. As all black. Trump claims to those who attended to mean that he will work on Ernest his presidency presidency. Own Destroying them now zero two hundred. Oh apartment hijackings him. Yeah. That's a highlander shout up to the black people that. Agree with them and you know, and that's why you know are. Now. All the time you know 'cause I could be to an extent but that's why a lot of vokes get on my mother fucking nerves y'all I just. So goddamn won't to till. You're stupid. He's not even like a clever super villain to which we can be like well. The hatred. These black people how could they know like the the trick the trick so obvious. You know why? It's just one of those things where like when I see people who fall over this, I'd question everything about. I question you and you don't like what are you do? You only take it on the on the twitter do you not know black people in real life? It's like the black people that make their whole personality I hit Obama. You like. So the ninety seven percent of US fuck with Obama fuck us. Right because you because you walk around like you're talking for all of us in you're not. A. You got these white people who'd barely fucking pay attention walking around in that black people believed that she just you and a handful of people. The vast majority was a light yet. President. You know wasn't perfect. He did everything gets the presidency. No, one can do it right. Like what? Yes my whole point nobody nobody's perfect nobody can do it. Right needs. People that won't is perfect candidate Y'all go motherfucker nurse to. Jeffrey Star Goes Instagram official with international basketball player. Jeffrey Star has a new. Eight months after this fluid as long time boyfriend Nathan Swat the Youtuber shared a photo of himself sitting on the mystery man's lap on August twenty third making an instagram officials two days later, the males identify on instagram. Thankful for the blessings God has to my life this year star capturing the photo as fans speculated the man's identity. now, Jeffrey Star, you may remember it was a makeup a very famous. I believe make up artists. Okay. do a gay. Dude. And also has their some racist shit on. he's been in fucking black before because he's got a history of race shit okay. Is He? He's he's he's one. Won Them youtubers that actually you know go on in? TAK-. Take. That type of thing. Yeah. No very, very famous. Lot of people. Support like even after he fell out with. In racism she came out like people still of kick it with him you see people on this s around with them all the time I believe the man would be could be Josie rose who proves recorded video star for Youtube however at recognized. Tattoo. Social Media Link the ink to international basketball player Andrei Mar, hold start. Wow. He's how holding his feet in the pool. has made his paid provinces just all came out. Yes he's dating a black. Man. It don't. COME THE RACISM UP I don't know why people think I got a black person. So now I gotTa, I gotTA blanket against Bush it. I do know you see you might be racist. Yeah. Of course, they think that and I, don't know this black. Dude. maybe he knew he will be revealed away or 'cause I mean. I mean. They. Tattoo. ooh. ooh, man enhanced. Enhanced began. Zalmay while. Progress crossovers images. What have we seen before? Andrei lift. Why come out okay and in about you be international find your ass to international basketball player Yemen Is always willing to date these these mafia and raises. What's, the do. Yogurt Japan nobelists. Yannopoulos Margot Yuban Amal Malo Yeah. God I wasn't trying to be saying I forgot the name. Wow. What happened to him? Anyway, he made a black man. Tommy. Lauren Dana Black Man. Like I don't know what the fuck is these news. I'm not even looking at them I'm looking at you. What the fuck are you As a black person. How you respect yourself. To do that you don't owe me. They don't get into Baio people money off of anti-black news. Crowd of it and you're you are being light. Yeah. But I love them. SWAPS CRAZY CRAZY I can't came faked it. Grope leaves. All, right, let's movement to something else we got a late start tonight. So we're going to some guests, the race. Okay. we'll try to do so white people news tomorrow if I can get to it and maybe some LGBTQ news now try to spread segments around. But You guys know you'll be here the way the show, the show. Now, that it's time for some Gusto raise that's right. It's. Time now that is. A. Guest race time. That's right. It's time for. The race, the more games across all podcast. When we read the news articles from all over the globe, we asked how contested today Karen and the chat route two guests. Race and of course, everyone playing is a stone cold. All right. Let's talk about it. New Jersey eighteen-year-old allegedly murdered neighbor to go viral. Throughout the pandemic, we ever seen aspiring TIKTOK post take talkers, post a series of attention seeking tactics to go viral. We we we talked about this today how a going viral is currency An eighteen year old Zachary Latam repeatedly stabbed his fifth fifty one year old neighbor. William Durham senior to death. During an ongoing family feud. The families that have. Yeah Steve Harvey one host and his family. You know he was not the family say they believe that late them Lord them into the House. It was housed at the multiplications which he felt for his TIKTOK. It was noted that one la domes videos we'll see more than three million views and a video posted in April Durham's wife Catherine who laid them repeatedly calls Karen confronted the teen about his driving at the towards seventeen year old son riding a bike it another video latam. Yeah. Knife do to germs twenty one year old son William at the young man attempted to open the car door while he was driving. According to the magazine lawyers on the family side claim that there's additional video now deleted of late them holding a gun saying this handle neighbors. Following multiple disputes, Mr Determine confronted late them, which led to the daily encountered that left LatAm stabbed and tailored several times. Contrary to the team self defense claims the family's lawyers said late wife Sarah recorded the slaying adding and adding that the to intended the posted videos to take the become tick tock famous. Prosecutors are now seeking an upgrade to upgrade lethal charges from aggravated manslaughter and assault to first degree murder. Additionally, there are requested drop the criminal trespassing and assault charges against the Family Karen. Guess the race of what was his first name Acharya them white cares going with. Wi- let's check the chat room. See what they believe. White Says Carol. White White and Carol, would know she killed her husband Taika cage. Take Talk Algorithms races only a white man can get three million views why? I. Why do for divine why I heard Zachary and dude white white why talk a? You don't start White Newark though black why RNC keynote speaker. So. That's why. The. Correct. The correct answer is mostly you white care went white and you all got it correct. Song went black and got it wrong. 'cause you know what sometimes I'm wrong but not funny I consider tick Taco white person because most of the shoot over there that goes viral and popular than the majority of time is white people she it was also been proven to be racist but I I see a lot of black popular ship I'm not on Tiktok I just need on twitter and stuff, but also follow a lot of black people. So I don't know what's getting the most views I just no way. What comes to twitter and gets a lot of US I normally see black people. That one that always talking about reality TV he all he real good. Especially this on Larry as I was like. he's like the disrespect. Jumped out of the car and choked me like this is the best. All right. Let's do another one. sinek drive in employee allegedly shoes co worker in the place gunman arrested although places the name of the place lovelace. Karen yes. Okay. I just wanted to be sure. a quarrel between Co Workers L. Place Sonic drive in ended with gunfire that left one man wounded a night the St John. The Baptist parish shares office said Saint John the Baptist right. Is that by the AM Ziying say John the Baptist on Sycamore Dow about Iraq. CAMONTE lemond Robinson twenty-three. Baton Rouge was arrested and booked with attempted second degree murder after investigators say he shot fellow employees twenty-six, the victim was in stable condition shooting occurred around nine pm at dishonest restaurant earlier in their worship Robinson and the victim heatedly exchanged words though the sheriff did not say what the man arguing about at the restaurant closed. The victim was talking was taking trash out to a dumpster when Roberson walked up and shot him several times is the man was airlifted to a hospital in new? Orleans for Treatment Roberson. Ran Out through the Strip mall parking lot. Is located deputies who responded to the shooting began searching the area and spotted Robinson nearby. He was taken into custody and booked at Saint. Job Jail. Robinson's being held there Thursday. Lieu of one hundred, thousand dollars on. Karen Guess the rice. Go Black in I'm going to say either they were arguing about where roller-skates then like I'm not going out there. No got roller skates. Camacho. Garage, taste black is a black all three of his name's mad nigger ish his man he got too many syllables. Black Watermelon slush would jolly ranchers and slash of Cherry. Sir Black definitely held a gun. Kim. Kim Ulama oldest boy black wiki doll. Whole gotta Hoe cakes black hole got into. described. As A. At the Hurricane Katrina Negotiate Negotiate Nigga Shit Yeah Black Mega Super Black nigger that a clause with cages wacko black little. Busey. People Black Nigger like ASS Nigga. Hollywood Scheffer. y'All racist hope you I. Hope he whites. So, Shea Will White Marlene says black decorate answer is. Black. White is really. Be The white Camacho of all time among going against all the trends. I guess you miss a high percentage shoot don't shoot I know you understand why he won't he can't find a job he walked in there they're gonNA. Yep. All right let's go to the next session. Yes. He did IT Let's go to the bonus round here. Hand. That's what I dealt. Point is in a bottom surrounded guest away so far Karen is to for to. But can't she finish this hot streak? All right. Let's find out. New York. City assault suspect Mrs Court date because she was allegedly stabbing a woman. Oh Oh. Okay. You a busy busy stay ready. Don't have to get ready to come on a woman who was set to for mental health treatment instead of prison for a pair of a sauce failed to appear in court for a status update this week because she was allegedly stabbing someone to death. The daily turn of events came as. Kayla Armand Twenty. was also facing prosecution in a violent robbery earlier this year. How many times can you give parts of they realized jail is the only solution that outrage cop told the Post maybe if the judge would have figured this out the victim in this case would still be alive. We know aside the cops. Are Manned was busted Tuesday and charged with second-degree murder of the team of Boston. Twenty Inspire Armand's Washington Heights Department police cops say the motive allegedly voted dispute but didn't elaborate are man to Boston the mother two boys ages one and three previously lived together in a group home. The victim's family said though they didn't know what she was doing Armand's home are man's criminal record dates back to twenty six teen an attack. Attack by residents of a youth mental health facility on a staffer there during the incident are man and at least two other teams bashed to work with an Ottoman. Damn Ottoman Jesus according to eight. Autumn and wait L. Autumn is Kinda can be Kinda heavy teamwork makes the dream or. Toyota do that according to an eight count indictment they're charged. With first degree gang a related charges are man was insight into rikers island where she was later charged to tax correction officer in two thousand eighteen may have pleaded guilty of both cases in December prosecutor thought to have her since two to one three years in prison. But State Supreme Court. Justice. April neubauer held off imposing sentence in his day order are man to mental health treatment and check in periodically court. Miss. Our man has since failed at several programs and each instance in Ada recommended the jail alternative be imposed but it was not the officer in statement she was due back in court August eighteenth for an update but did not show a bench warrant was ordered meanwhile she was busted in Queens on May thirtieth she was chartered a robbery that left the victim injured to Kahlo. Boston. A cousin of the stabbing victim was outraged Armand or man's Lee lenient treatment by the criminal. Justice system. If she wasn't allowed to walk free my cousin was still be here with US said Kayla Sixteen. If you all are going to claims, she's crazy put her in a nut house well, not using the most woke terms, but we get the. Yeah gone through a lot and art to Shana Boston her knees was a victim of domestic violence who are temporarily lost custody kids and was living in a shelter for battered women. Buffer teamer had recently got a job arrange to move into an apartment and was about to get children back from foster care. She was getting a life together a spokesman for the state sister of course, system defended new buyers handling of arms case judge Neubauer based on the facts and circumstances charges felt that a supervisor least program with both be beneficial to the finisher her return to court. Hey Karen guest, the race. Black. CAIRN is going black. All right. Let's check the chat rooms. They believe Kayla are Armand's races see See. Where you okay. White Pass in Dominica. She had mutuel. Chances, Black White Pass Hispanic because she keeps getting chances black. Baseball player. Okay. That's not a race Mac she hurt. Because a lot of baseball players lightly no. Okay. Herbie's on the list black black were NYC. NATO's got weird rules about staying our she had point she had a point to make periods black Dominican she had she lost average sale Mason jail is Roberta robot from. My futurama talk black she's black trapped in the system Hispanic black on the Latin spectrum black people in New York allow her say nigger Latin Kings Princes baseball. Player Okay Blatty Knicks Dominica's Love Baseball Dominica Lynch's Dominican. The correct answer is. Black. Can't you got it? does look stab you in this picture. I'm. Not GonNA lie. And I. Thing to where you know he would Iraq in and out of the system. Like this is what the system does the folsom saying. I'm sure. that. Girl wants her back and her cousin back or whatever. So I don't really. Is No good answers in situation like that not because you want a system that's fair and is lenient and gives people a second chance. But then when that second chances used to derive in stab and kill people like fucking sake a chance you know so. Why Kamal hairs is wrong about everything. Me To stop driven. Anyway let's get to the last. Police. Mayor Welding Samurai sword breaks into brockway residents. White this story. Story. All Right Oh anyway the court documents indicate that a man named. Christopher Christopher Eugene Nolan. Broken of somebody's home would sort. The chargers they're from a pair isn't it? Happened in early July so he's breaking quarantine. Coordinate. Criminal complaint around nine. Oh Two am July seven. The P. Dewa on know what does that this New Orleans okay? So maybe it's the boys maybe it's Dubois. Were dispatched to a report of a person, a suspicious personnel Greco road after a collar reported an unknown man in black trenchcoat jeans and boots coming out of the woods near residents and entered the residence without permission of the owner of the man who was reportedly carrying a sword allegedly walked into the house and closed and locked the door behind himself. The mandate went women to the back bedroom open two windows pushed out the window screen and jumped out before fleeing Oh. Yes. The complies as around nine forty five am so about forty five minutes later, this thing man was aborted that entered resumes on clay plant row without permission the homeowner, the homeowner reported in unknown male who fit the description from the previous the walked into a residence from the front door, shut it behind him. Then told her to call now one because someone was trying to kill him. He then walked back the hallway into a bedroom and locked himself inside police responded saying the founder man trying to escape the residents to a bedroom window, the mandate nor verbal commands when troopers. Taken into custody transported to pin highland. Wa. For treatment or devore's black seven or I saw was also recovered I gotta be black from the backyard. Resident the man was later identified as Christopher Eugene, not based on his driver license the complaint knows. Yeah yes he was. Yes, he was. All. Right. All that's it. For Today we'll be back tomorrow until then. make sure you gotTa Adam, and Eve. Wt Do. It then I love you let me too.

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MBW 703: Greek the Tim-Tams!

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MBW 703: Greek the Tim-Tams!

"It's time for Mac. Break weekly coming up. Our weekly Corona Virus Update conferences cancelled and Steve Wozniak as patient zero. We'll tell you why bad guys are not allowed to use iphones and apple accused of using slave labor. It's all coming up next a macrey quickly. Back break. Weekly comes to you from. Twits last pass studios. Stay in control. When it comes to your company's access points and authentication last pass makes enterprise level security simple check out last past dot com slash twit. So where more podcasts? You love from people you trust. This is this is Mac. Break weekly episode seven hundred three recorded Tuesday march third twenty twenty Greek the temptations. This episode of mcbrayer weekly is brought to you by Capterra the website millions of people use monthly to find software for their team or business. Visit CAPTERRA's free website CAPTERRA DOT com slash. Mac Break Ambae Ziprecruiter. Hiring is challenging. But there's one place you can go. 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I'm more DOT COM riddick. We have no such elections today Sir. No them randomly whenever the Queen feels like. I Know I love that about you. Guys you crazy. What else is great? The voting no-confidence anytime a government. Bill doesn't pass. You can have an election. It's just fantastic. Cleans up all the COBWEBS. Mr Alex Lindsay is also here sands. I voted sticker. But you're going to vote later in the day not are you an anarchist. I'm not an anarchist. Okay Alex is a nihilist nihilists. Somebody who's not doesn't vote is a nihilist can you? I don't think there's anybody Zero Nine Zero Dot Media News Streaming Media Guy meet director at Alex Lindsay at twitter and Andy and that goes also hear from Baston where I believe. They're also voting. Some of US are voting. Some of US are drinking. Go St Patty's Day's coming up so you know the anti annual time in which you don't want to read the Boston Herald defined with what group and third grade. Yes Google keeps getting band. I don't know why I don't know why So I just want to let the word go forth that Steve. Wozniak is not patient zero. Don't play don't Steve. Now Steve. You know what? Steve is a big hearted bear of a guy. Who doesn't I think he's not? He has no filter. He has no playful nature. Yeah and so he kinda got some attention tweeting yesterday. Checking out Janet's bad cough. They came back from Asia. January fourth Just came back from China. This is what got him in a little trouble may have both been patient zero in the US curse. All of all of WOZNIAK's tweets come from swarm because maybe he forgot that he connected his four square to his twitter. I Dunno but you're always check ins so he's at the West Coast supports instituted. Santa Clara He was interviewed later and said Yeah. Both John and I were really sick when we came back. He said I hardly move for a week. He had he had engagement Las Vegas and he Stayed home but I think it's safe to say Janet. Later was diagnosed with a sinus infection. I think it's safe to say that. Steve Wozniak is not patients zero. Yeah Yeah I think is is how does she go? Two months without getting checked with a with a sinus infection. That must've been awful painful. Had that before it's very painful takes me days. I can't handle this confusion drugs right. Yeah so My best friend is actually a lot like the was. I would assume that he is constantly sending me messages of things that he wants to tweet. And I'm constantly saying big humor exactly. He's got that sense of humor is like do you think people think this is funny. I think your friends will think this is funny but people on the Internet. Not so much. Don't tweet it in quarters of my tweets. Yeah he needs a filter. Yeah Yeah but I had. I had twenty seventy this morning and I thought I'd pressed the post button but I didn't know twice. I suddenly thought that would be such a great feature for every APP in which you are going to post anything anywhere that it won't post to you. Click at the second time and L. You won't be a warning just say. Oh Oh God there was a Typo in that thank God in post. That of course. Usa Today being the newspaper of record followed it up called was took. A great picture took a great picture. He says Both wasn't Janet Heads Sore throats and coughs when they returned from Southeast Asia. He was scheduled to make a handful of appearances in Las Vegas right after the trip only made a couple. I couldn't speak because he lost his voice. We cancelled everything else to head home. I couldn't move out of bed for two days. I did tell everyone I was sick. Stayed away from almost all in Las Vegas was said it was the worst flu of our lives. Janet was coughing up blood that does not sound science. No that's not good to the hospital. They said it was no American flu. We've not been able to get tested. That's the problem right now at our return from Southeast Asia today we certainly have been tested in quarantine with symptoms. We had. It wasn't treated as important January fourth. He noticed know. This is the sad state of our country right now. He notified the Centers for disease. Control received a form letter advising him to wash his hands. Okay also that's a good thing to do. Yeah little late might have said something like and don't go out in public for fourteen days. I don't know this seems like they're could've tweet. And whatever you say your patient zero I just had to bring that up He's fine he's calling it was. I do wonder what I do. I do wonder where the line is between Being forthright about your travel to make sure that if you did pick up something that you can be quarantined or at least be observed and not wanting to put your entire community in a panic just because you've been in an airport outside of the United States anytime in the last two months. Yeah we're we're starting to tip the regarding to start a tip over into that. That thick border between being well advised being well informed being well prepared and suddenly like now the now restaurants in Chinatown are having trouble booking titles right which is just stupid. We are You know south by southwest will continue in a couple of weeks but already twitter and facebook announced. They won't be going. I think because quitting everything now as well and if our the boss and I am the boss of this company if our the boss I would say look. Don't don't take any chances Known necessary travel. We're flying Leeson are flying saint. I listened for An event on Thursday at Worldwide Technology. One of our sponsors. We're doing a meet up at Tr- The train wreck saloon Tomorrow Night Trainwreck in Saint Louis. Oh yes they are. Alex is on the panel. Forgot Mary Jo. Foley Alexander on the panel. We'll be talking about the tech and thought I the panel will be broadcast will a video of it and send it to your send you a vhs tape but In the in the meanwhile you have to be a wwe customer to attend. The event live So I'm hoping that will cut back really actually a just opened it up They just opened it up to advanced tells you so if you are not sick and if you are willing to greet Leo at Elbow I'll do elbow bumps opposed the football helmet but I but also we are looking at And I think it's prudent to look at work at home. options We are announcing. Now that we're going to close the studio for for a foreseeable future a number of employees of expressed concern about Studio guests so I apologize if you had tickets to come see any of the shows but we're going to turn that off at least until the coast is clear so I apologize but Again this is. This is something you do for employees. I'm not actually personally concerned if I die. So what but it would be terrible on but you know phone calls. Keep coming in but So I know actually the Johnny Carson Joke is when you die phone calls taper off but you keep growing doug to so. I wish I hadn't said that rapidly turning into the Nevermind hero fiddling. Companies are companies canceling though I mean salesforce has cancelled a lot of big cat scale and I think no travel get if you have employees. It's a hard thing to say. No no you gotta go do this. This is your job. It's very hard thing to say. Unfortunately a lot of people don't have sick time. They don't have sick leave. See people coming to work. That's worse so we've already told our employees and we're looking at ways we can do most of these shows via skype Somebody would have to be patient zero and come in and run the board. Sorry but no I. We're we're looking at things but at least for a timing. I do WANNA mention We're going to. We're going to turn off studio visitors From for the next whatever I don't know. How long is this going to go on? I don't know but it's a but isn't that a terrible situation is terrible. Sign of how. These problems tend to mound up that we've created at least in the United States. We've create a situation in which the people who earn the least are always the people who were the frontlines who are in contact with people. Also the people who are not being paid so little. They can't afford to take one of their sick days also. They're being paid so little that they can't afford health insurance so that good health insurance so they can't. They're not going to be treated for this sort of stuff. And so when we when when the when when the bees in a million years and replaced us at the dominant species decides to do the paleontology and figure out what doomed to humans. It could possibly be that all this fight about a minimum wage perhaps shortsighted in the human brain capacity outside. America's very weird when you're a kid watching TV and you hear like socialism and liberalism being used as like insults when it's like the political parties tire rest of the world. Yeah I know so well. We'll www seagoing FA. It's been a vase get classes. We haven't we haven't heard of it Google. That's three months off. Google yeah Google has already been announced in already. Been ticketed but The apple has not yet Announced WC as usual so they can still sort of wouldn't even be calling an off right. Which is yeah exactly. Yeah I mean I think that this sounds like a joke and maybe halfway it is but I really think that this situation is going to. It's going to be like delete. It's going to be like deleting the phone Jack The for the headphone Jack from telephones of from from phones. Because it's a whole bunch of these companies are going to do it and realize that. Wow We got away with it. There's a lot of complaints about having these conferences. Just simply absolutely just just a a virtual audience worldwide and not having it at a physical location anymore but we got by and maybe we try it again next year and the people who complain are going to be complaining less and less and less and then they realized that. Why are we putting together while we building like a temporary theme park that lasts only three or four days once a year when it seems as though we can do this a lot more efficiently and have much greater penetration if we simply make sure that they say that no there is no audience for anybody anywhere this is always going to be a virtual thing and and the only reason we do at once a year is because it's so hard to do physically if if we were doing it if if we decided that we were going to do a studio and put it together and and and run those kinds of things and put the same effort into it that we put into a physical and Event and the same budget that we put physical event. You gotta realize like an event one of those big events in Mosconi that covers all of the halls and takes over you know that's a fifteen hundred dollar investment in one for one for one week The if we put all of that energy into something online we do it every week. Every month would wouldn't people meeting face to face what those conferences really are. All about. It's not the products is not the information it's meeting face to face isn't it? It is the way we have done. Networking in the past doesn't need to be the only way. When I was a was a training organization in the early two thousands. We had two thousand members in forty countries. No one saw each other in person and they still feel connected. They built whole companies together without ever meeting each other. So it's not that it's just that you have to do different things to get people to you know it it's a different kind of networking You can't it can't be casual Or as casual and it's not something we know but I think that there's a lot of opportunities to To do that and I think there's a lot of downward pressure on large events in general there's Terrorist THREATS PANDEMICS. There's carbon footprint. There's all these things that are you know that. That are pushing against having large conferences. Yeah well I wonder what the future holds their GDP. The game developers conference called off. And this could be one of those moments you know. Do you think though I think honestly they won't be they call them off because the big tent pole Companies aren't going or do they call them off because they genuinely worried. Regulation is saying you can't have large groups in some countries over one thousand some countries over four thousand five thousand. They've closed the Liuw. You can't go see them only in Paris because France you have a gathering auto show and I think I think this is hard for people to move around the planet now this year. It's the people are thinking about it. I think next year if if the virus comes back up next winter I think you're going to have a seismic shift in how people do Get togethers and that's where we're really going to see kind of an expansion there. The you know we when In in I don't know if I talked about this before on the show but we had an issue where HD CAM had an Arctic Deck. And tell everything on. Tv was recorded and when the earthquake was to replicate for the SR deck there was one in La and one in Japan in once a year they moved to Japan. Calibrate it and while it was there was a big. Japanese earthquake and it killed it. Killed Sony's ability to replicate us our tapes and I funded like half a little studio selling my tapes for a thousand dollars each because everyone was desperate. They couldn't record their shows and that was the end. A tape like like that was like literally within within a year. There was no more tape like everyone went to solid state and so the the question is always when you have this like shock mixed with You know is are the tools out there to actually do it and I would argue that. The tools may not be there to actually do a really good Large-scale online event. There's a lot of pieces of them. Someone could piece them together. But they're not just hire Alex. I've done a couple. So but but but the But overall I think that right now it's still something someone has to piece together and I think that there's some real opportunities for for people to Put together the tools to create great great. Online apple did have its shareholders meeting on Wednesday Tim Cook Addressed Corona Virus. Said it was a quote challenge when he's talking about it Han Hi which you know. Foxconn which makes the IPHONE says. We're going to reopen at the end of March. But I think there's a lot of big like maybe or who knows That conceivably have some problem with the iphone the iphone nine or the iphone. Se to or whatever you WANNA call it. The IPHONE SE successor which supposedly will be announced this month. They also say they've reopened thirty of their forty two stores. In China suppliers and mass assembly partners are slowly coming back up to speed and some analysts have said the fallout could spill into the quarter ending in June. That's Mark Gherman Reporting and the Bloomberg that all conditional on what I think people thought a little while ago. Which is that. It was getting better in China but I see that the numbers are going back up so The Diagnostics Change. They went from like Kinda SORTA WE NOTE. And now they're doing genome level detection and it's much more accurate and yeah we're GONNA accurately and the number went up then and it's continuing to go up and so In other words it's not. It's not going away So Cook said Annual revenue from wearables air pods and Apple. Watch comp- compares with that. I don't know why you would say this. But he did with Co compares with that of Mary International Plus Visa Comparison. Yeah of course. That's what I think when I that's what I use as a metric apple report ten billion dollars in fiscal first quarter revenue for its wearables So it's ten billion quarter. I guess is forty billion. Bad Business Cook said for the first time apple will open its online store in India this year with the first retail stores opening in two thousand twenty one so you can buy online this year and Can actually walk into a store in India in two thousand twenty one. He also talked about the company's rejection of the government's request to unlock phones in the attack. At the Pensacola Naval Air Station. Don't think he said we have something. We're not giving. Don't think we have something that we're not giving other words we've given them everything that we have Apple won't create a back door to break into its devices their hearts. That's an that's an interesting way of putting it. Don't think we have something we're not giving we're not holding out on the government of course apple's building a new door but that's what an apples goal is to give is to have less and less right. We we only want to give them what we can give them. And that's why End To end encryption and things like that are important. Presumably think renee. You've you're the one who explain this to me. Apple can give my cloud backups including nightclub. Backups things like what's APP and other encrypted messaging I see that's that's encrypted but apple has the key so they apparently are giving that to. Yeah that's the hard part is like apple. There's certain things that apple believes in the best interest of the customer if they can help them in case the customer gets locked out themselves but the minute they do that those things then become subject to subpoena so apple has kind of carefully parse through. Everything they think is. Sacrosanct has better if the customer loses it than anyone else ever gets access to it and the things where they think that. It's it's safer for the customer to keep it even if it means somebody else could theoretically get access to it and they keep. There's those things have changed. Slightly changed a lot actually over time. That will keep changing over time. But it's sad that we have to make those sorts of choose between customers safety and customer security all the time you know what apple you know who can't get apple iphones. Bad Guys Ryan Johnson. The director of knives out in an interview said Apple Lettuce do product placement. If it's a villain I was in a movie a movie where that ten years ago. I mean that's rising new star wars from me to take the rest of the movies from me as well. It wasn't the case in twenty four that the bad guys all had android phones and the good guys all head on windows and MAC windows. Oh that's what it was but that was is that was a bad track. Bad guys drove. Chevy's really twenty four so if a guy was driving. Chevy you knew he was a bad Guy Yup and then they had faked computers. They had faked Microsoft computers long before service surface using Microsoft logos in the back of their computers. Nobody makes that computer. So this is the wild world of product placement is apple paying nine on TV plus because on. Tv PLUS EVERYBODY HAS APPLE PRODUCTS THERE. No bad guys on TV. Plus that's wrong with it. Shades of Gray. It's only raise the bad guy on TV. Plus it was the bad guy. Even Steve Carell was he a bad guy. He had an iphone. They were all the heroes of their own stories. Leo That's right as we all are. That's all it does product placement makes for weird situations one of the weirdest things about About Pontiac Indiana in parks and recreation. It was the one city in the entire world where everybody was using a windows phone. It was the most amazing thing. That's that's the worst movie those those giant phones that no one really uses. And there's a certain shot you can see. There's a there's a shot that you see and you go. Oh they paid for that You know like like it was immediately when they pick up the phone go. I gotta check something and they like you see them like typing on it. It's always it's always like a Samsung or something like that. You're like they paid for. They paid for. It was so bad is that they would not only do the placement they would. They would like tell you about the product in the product place. Where like my new windows phone? I can easily search for context to catch the bad guy. That's got even like superfast shift. Let's get the other driver if you look at. If you look at like. Let's get it started by black-eyed peas the the I think they're using to Sheba owner or something but it was so clear I was like date probably paid for the whole video for this for this question. Did I didn't read the interview. Did Ryan Johnson say? That apple paid them for the good guys. You WanNa you WANNA use it in the if you WanNa do apple placement. They don't pay. They will give you equipment. They don't pay for it over the phone. I give a bad guy the cover the logo you have to yeah family used to you have to no no no. You can't have any product you see a commercial media. Product can't use a logo we we. That's why Greek everything right. It's a commercial. You don't want to have a commercial if you're selling the movements greeting agree. King is Turned into Greek. No it's funny so we Greek. A lot of things like a regular broadcast you. You grab onto a soda bottle or a water bottle or whatever and you use a pen literally connect things. Yeah so that yeah connected out you either. Take off the logo or you. A lot of I mean so thank you I. I'm watching a show. Actually a movie and I see a brand in the movie. They had to get permission for those clear everything. That's in the movie. Yeah there's some there's a whole team that just sits there and clears have. We reached all the brands in here. We haven't showtime. We need a Greek. All the brands appleton. GimMe this phone. It's for this kind of this. This is a great news right in the news. You're giving you're giving it away. Also also it's also it's about leverage realized that any company who realizes that if there's if there's a trailer for a four hundred million dollars blockbuster and an apple an apple iphone is being used as a trigger device on a on a weapon up. I'm saying let's let's let's use that. As an example they can basically say hi. We're going to stop this. We'RE GONNA file injunctions to stop your four hundred million dollar movie with its three hundred billion dollar marketing budget from being released or would you like to cover up that logo digitally in post or research trademark on an interesting. I didn't know that the US military if you WANNA do a movie they they have all kinds of rules about like you. WanNa shoot off of a carrier they want. I understand that but I'm saying that trespassing on government government property that's different but but but there's but there's always releases if you're using something we worry about all the time like we're hiding logos and when we're doing productions for commercial Media products like. If you're doing something. Free on youtube or a podcast. I don't think we've ever had to worry about that really but but on large Any anything that is being sold or uses advertising so is usually something we have to test so that's interesting because in other words if it's not product placement after Greek it so there may be incentive not merely to get the free phones but just so I don't have to make everything looks so funky to have these phones onset. Get Apple to give it to me then I can use them. It's yeah they don't have to pay me but at least it's where you have a hundred million dollars a square one hundred million dollar movie. The one could afford to buy ten iphones. But that's not the issue if you look at like aliens have you watch. Tv show areas. You'll always have little circle that was stuck on the almost the same color as the as the laptop and just on the back. Ns because they didn't get the approval. And here I am eating Tim. Tam's all the time on the show. They could take are are they approved are they? Are they cleared no? I didn't clear the Tim. Tam Neither Greek nor cleared them. Watching your shows when in the you know ten years ago or whatever were It'd be sort of a production. Tv show but there would be random people intimate and they'd have their hat logo would be blurt out or their t shirt logo would be blurred out So there yeah. There's sometimes or the t shirt says something horrible on an logo explore so okay. We're going down the rabbit hole. I got another question on the radio show. People are always asking when they call in. I had a real problem with this computer. Can I say the name and say of course I wanNA know what name typically should? I not do that typically on a news or News News. I you know or vice stuff like that. That's not usually an issue. It's it's when you're selling tickets to God that it becomes selling tickets are using his. Advertising is usually coverage and there's whole sides of the you know like someone who does production like you look at James Bond. James Bond is driving that car company. No they paid a lot of money for that. They paid a lot of money for him to drive or the wristwatch wearing all of that stuff. That's all and so like James Bond is a perfect example of. I think they pay for a huge chunk of the movie is a big deal in Dr Martin's and started driving or afford James Bond. Visit drive a Ford you did. It was in It was in Casino Royale I think when he ran in the car or something like that I remember seeing. Would you try this Mustang? It was like I saw it. I was like W I think was. W How's the weather a lot of AMC cars and like you only live twice or something in the winter. Whichever one where he was partnered up with James James by doing crappy backseat of AMC Jane Fonda the final shot. You know what I mean. Oh my God Wow I'm learning a lot here. Yeah I didn't know you did feature film production I Yeah it's a little thing I did on the side once twice. A couple of somebody said Alex Lindsay could not possibly worked on the empire strikes back he would have been eight. I did not work on the empire strikes. You did Princess Leia ship for episode one one. Which is the fourth movie worth? Clean Rommedahl Alex thank. You was the queen's ship Queen Dollars Not Prince Basically Even I'm not that is basically a shiny Fifty s styling of seventy one without fans home without the fans. Yeah bothered me. Every time I saw it I was like it doesn't have. The full is a blackbird. My once I tried to. It did look like a blackbird. Shiny blackbird is. I didn't even when I was modeling. The previous one. I I called I. I contact the PR for Lockheed. And I said hey how about you guys have your engineers up here. I'll give you a tour of the ranch down. No no come down and visit the skunkworks as they were like. This is a top secret. Said so is this facility. And she goes. We worked for the United States government. I'm like we worked for George Data. She sent me a great. She sent me a Great Lakes Document and drawings of extra drawings of seventy one so that I could build the model. It's this stealth fighter well. It wasn't stealth by then it was. It was near retirement. Whatever that is Erin Space Museum? They have one. They have a couple of them there. There's one of the aerospace museums early in the Pima Air Force Museum had one earliest had one. And there's one in Florida Thanks to chat room. I have a list of all the James Bond vehicles in every James Bond movie In Ford Motor Company. There was yeah okay. Octopussy was Alpha Mayo. Quantum of Solace Specter owned radio casino royale. Amc The man with the Golden Gun. No wonder I didn't see that movie. Matador Oh my God moon raker. He was driving a concord or GD Jeep Cherokee and kill sees car. That's a good vehicle. There's the Aston Martin's that I remember from the Real James Bond car Owen Sky Fall. They came back. They brought it back. Wow Yeah they're doing a lot of nostalgia stuff latest bonds and Audi and some of the more recent. Expect me to talk on. Expect you to die all right. There see see when he's on the clip. How did you find that so fast? Because I'm is that Dr no no. This is our casino randomly driving a Ford Ford rental. Yeah it's kind of embarrassing here. Giving me here no no. You can't go full screen but you know you actually can show this as long as you don't go full Oh we can't. Karston is is now the algorithm. The Algorithm won't see that you know that right is looking at me. Very men are just an algorithm just an algorithm karston machine. Oh the SL. Seventy one is not a fighter. It was a stealth bomber This is a this is called the SR seventy one. The fastest plane ever that will start. Was it no no? It's not even close but it was the sneaky EST plane ever in some in some ways some ways. It's a spy plane. Sorry SS for spy for fighter for bomber. 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Scared me so don't don't worry. I made sure that. This The Seltzer water is safe to go. That brand I don't if I'm a good guy or a bad guy so you know little little gaffer tape assault rhymes with the iphone. That's the question are using android phone. Actually I'm using a palm. Thanks to a new licensing agreement that the Dollar Review Ken Choosy Geeks. Choose POM POM. Pre has turned turned everything. Now I think we did the Krona Virus. Okay moving along. Did you see Patrick wardle's presentation at our as a Patrick who is a former NSA hacker? We've mentioned many times. He's also a really good utility programmer. for For Max He works at Jamf. He's there I- Os Mac Os. Enterprise Manage Manager Security Researcher at the IRS and enterprise management firm JAMF former sponsored by the way He says he if you're if you're a bad guy you know. Cool take take take advanced nation. Malware designed for the MAC and repurpose it. They are incredibly well. Funded by the way. This was in his talk re purposed malware dark side of recycling. They are incredibly well funded. Well resourced very motivated hacker groups in three letter agencies. That are creating amazing. Mauer that's fully featured also fully tested. So if you're a hacker why not let these groups create malware and repurpose it for your own mission. So he jerks. I think he's okay. He's not he's not really telling people how to hack he's just pointing out. You know the issue here is that this stuff gets out in the while. He took four pieces of Mac. Malware that has been that have been used in in the wild over the purse for past several years and repurpose them to report to command. Servers belonging to him from there ward had full control over the recycled malware. This feat allowed him to use well-developed fully featured applications to install his own malicious payloads. Staying obtained screen shots and other sensitive data. Obviously he's not telling you how to do this. He's just mentioning. This is an issue. Yeah and this is all I mean. That's most of the ransomware that we've seen are all based on our own. Nsa Yeah right not pets you the one of the worst and WanNa cry one of the worst Our worms was based on internal blew a windows exploit Stolen from the National Security Agency. Allwood is organized into families. And it's all about this. One was super super effective before they managed to find the the good people manage to find this one one weakness that could exploit to shut it down. So let's fix that weakness and released version two point. Oh yeah and it's also why a lot of times we don't retaliate for like Russian intervention stuff like that is because we'd have to give up you know show what we're what we can do so. I think if I'm going to draw moral from his talk is These nation states are creating malware. They are. It's impossible for them to keep a lid on it and by doing so. They're empowering all of the secure many of the security problems we're all suffering brain right now and it's not just Max. Obviously this is from Dan. Gooden's article in ice technical by the way let's give credit to Danny's one of the best security writers out there Wardell said the IDEAS. Let those with more time money and resources do all the hard work. Wow he used to work at the. Nsa that's the funny thing you knows you knows. There's a lot of really smart people making really good code. I think when someone saw the stuxnet data immediately we're like this is the United States because no one writes code like like. That's not there's nothing sloppy is Israel and the United States working in tandem and it's terrifying because what it can do is get into your USB system makes it almost seems. I figured out how to See like see if it's there but it's it's very hard to extract Reliable you pretty much. Just throw the machine away. Yeah there was. That story and the other depressing story was the vulnerability in Google's tighten security system that the researchers spent like six months getting them to fix and he's like your project zero deadline. What ninety days and you. Give me the runaround for six months. I use you not project Titan keys kind of for that reason project Titan keys I was always a little never. They're made in China. But I as anybody found anything with UBAD bad with because I have the new one that the five. Ci that has the I love it has a lightning port on one side and type C on the other. That's kind of Kurdi. Yeah but as I hope get your and your US P. Yeah you'll get US jacked. All over again can only make it harder. It's like washing your hands. New Report for Mingji Quo Let's give this a confidence. Rating apple is working on six. Count them six It's a half dozen six of one. Half dozen of the other m many led products including a new a new fourteen point one inch macbook pro and refreshed. I MAC pro. Many led is a screen technology. That I thought wasn't yet ready for primetime that's micro. Led the confusing micro led. Oh this is a little bigger. It's many Oh yeah. Thank you for clarifying many. Led is out and differences micro led is a direct view product with micro led's that you can mix and match to make a screen of any arbitrary size. Many led is about the back light only giving a small tiles and telling us to mix and match so that it won't look like it's a billion dollars allocation so the the mini led is a very very small. I think very very small reverend in blue. Led's back lights and more discreet back leading zone. So there's less like the detrimental effects with led is that you have a lot of back like glare minimize that by having different zones. Yeah yeah so that would be that would make sense right as many led. I think it's in widespread production. We saw lot of mini. Led TV's CBS It's just announced CD. Technologies a new form of backlight basically So that would make sense if apple's GonNa make new products that they would use that in their screens. Yes Oh he's supposed to be well. The rumor has it that that's what they were using the PROTAS play X. Dr But it turned out there was just using L L with really small discrete not not known but just really yeah well. It was mostly the zone day. But they're rumors that apple has been investing in both this and micro. Led for a long time and it it makes sense it will be the next displayed technology. All Ed is a wonderful but incredibly floor. A flawed technology that apple and every other company has to work super. Hard to mitigate like I was watching some of the videos with the new galaxy s twenty. Which has the best led display on the market and when people are shifting Refresh rates the white point literally changes like. Just it's just th all. It makes it so hard that everybody is desperate to find something that is as easy as led lcd but that gives you the contrast ratio in dynamic range and everything else that makes it so good. And maybe they're getting they're actually the buried the lead because the thing that's most interesting in this note is the fourteen point one inch macbook pro right. Now there's thirteen's and sixteens and the old fittings Fourteen is a sweet spot. I think that's a nice size. Same size blessed Basil. Just like the fifteen sixteen thirteen with a smaller vessel. So you'd get fourteen inches. Which is I think a perfect thirteen cents a little too small for just a little too big I think fourteen. Goldilocks goldilocks point. I want an eighteen with no just like you want the seventeen inch macbook. But I but I don't want you to make it smaller. I want you to just fill out that way and that would be. Do I have to say I love my seventeen inch laptop Brennan because it really is a nice It's too big the reasons my breakfast computer system make daft around. Just plop it down at the breakfast nook and that's it lives there but it's really nice it's really and it's five years old A system seventy six but that size is nice like you're using most. What's what's what's the case against having a USB lightning based I'm sorry a USB SPEC- based external external Screens and something. That is about the size and form of an IPAD but isn't going to be a slow as using mirroring on an IPAD Will Give you extra extra real estate on your desktop. Even if you can't necessarily have the big big sprain screen so have your laptop plus a USB screen yeah. I've always wondered why that hasn't really taken off their. You can get them but they're not. They're very once you I I I used to. I had a couple of months to to try out and every time like I'd set up with like a second display next to me. There'd be so many people there at the starbucks or the Panetta's I what is that it's like. It's like a tiny tiny tiny little second monitors like. What is this like? It's something that you can get. Probably dial up Alibaba for like a hundred and ten bucks for even heard about it. I've done that It's like display port over you SPEC-. I'm sorry. That's the word I was looking for. Yeah I'm definitely I've I've I've had. Us Yeah you regular. Uspa is fast enough to get a second screen. We have screens that are USB just USB USB screens there will bring that over touchscreens. Father Robert was the one who showed us this At first and John Uses all the time this is An A seuss. Usb. It's type C right no it's regular USB USB too. But it's a nice and he uses that with his laptop. It's almost like they took the little basis laptop right and and there it is and it's not it wasn't expensive. How much hundred twenty bucks and so you get the value of a second screen. I think it's fast enough but you're right. If you had type C better that'll be. You could have a nice screen if you want. Lots of people make those. You're right I know. I wonder why we don't see more of those and does have a stand is that you do the cover. It has a cover like type pad cover for the IPAD but it turns into a stand. So that's a nice and they make some of them with the really only worked with PC's really well That are touchscreen so you. Can you know it's it's the old kind of capacity it's touchscreen so it's not great but? I'm not sure I'd want that. One HUNDRED HUNDRED WORDS USEFUL. Really if you want to have something where you're what we would use it for us connected to a computer where we want to control we put interface. That's big buttons that you hit things while you're working here in a suit. This is the most recent I think is the MVP since agree nine. Yeah and it does auto rotation see there it is in your Holiday Inn Room. You See. That's why I use the IPAD and it's I don't use do it anymore I use. What did they? What does Apple Call it? The ghost display SIDECAR talker. I should remember which is kind of like what Alex was describing as a touchscreen interface. That's your second screen. That's kind of what the IPAD Sidecar does now for MAC MAC book an IPAD as you kind of have that second screen. That's touch touch sensitive for certain programs that it's kind of NEAT and works really well not needed most of the time but for sometimes it's Kinda a seuss does make a type C but it's a lot more expensive. It's like fifty bucks more for the type C and here's one with a built in battery. What would you want I? I would have to imagine that the reason a second screen for your laptop in a portable capacity isn't more popular is that it's it's just one extra thing that you have to unfold and fit on a table whereas if you have one seventeen inch laptop for example it's one screen. It's one takes up one spot on your desk or your your coffee table or whatever in even though. It's there the the portable screens like that are lightweight. And they're very thin they can just like slip into your backpack but once you actually set them up. You're taking up twice as much computer space on your on your tiny little coffee table. And that's probably why they're not that popular. They're intended to be portable but they don't really fit in a portable life plus the other having a seventeen inches. That if you if you were making the chassis itself bigger you have a bigger battery but we have a lot of situations. Where like Leo was saying where I have this big wonderful laptop but I don't actually take it out of the out of the office because it's it's it's too big and I mean this might pick of the week is kind of related to this conversation that bought a new bag and part of it was how I if I'm buying this bag which is really buy it for life type of bag. I have to commit to never buying a laptop that is going to be going used for trips. That's going to be above a certain size. I was very confident about that. Because the they're making screens bigger by making a vessel smaller. Like Rene said but there is A. I have a friend who was using the the that that prison Cafeteria PLATE SIZED MAC book will wasn't seventeen inch was it ninety S. I wanted it was it was and I had a and he was. He was still using it. When I was reviewing the original Mac book nothing and I had to like. Get a picture of the macbook. Nothing like the smallest map ever made on top of this and it looks like it. Looks like an ipad not talking about like ipad pro. It looked it was just like so it looks like something other Mac. Powerbook would eat. I snack and so I I love the fact that you having this kind of power inside something. That doesn't require you to take something that looks like. I'm taking a piece of big luggage with me. Just be just to go to starbucks to get a couple of robbers emailed on. I do have to say since I do carry an IPAD with along with my macbook. Sidecar is kind of the best both worlds. I'm not nothing extra Ryan and I will say I use the seven inch for years and just loved it and and on a plane if I if I get into the Exit row opened a feed. You saw what happened. Cassidy. Well the Barstool sports host Heart factor news. Here's his tweet Delta small note for this gesture box. Maybe have a little warning sign or some way to prevent my laptop from being destroyed when the person in front of me reclines literally. When I open the laptop. The way I got it is I. I look at the seat and I look at where it's going to catch again. I I suppose it gets hit. It's going to go down. I've had this happen. I've I've I've I crushed a seventeen seventeen inch T. died because of this because the seat reclines with the trade table does not exactly catches it if it catches the lucky I Yang. I didn't think out from under as it was going back had I not I would've loved. That was the end of my seventeen inch. Was this. This is why those those three hundred sixty degree Screen just are such a godsend. Every time I fly I rank of that problem myself but it means that you can actually hold it the other way so that if someone does recline although he backed there's just no way for it to catch it it it. It decreases the overall depth of the user experience. And if I know them going to have to work on the plane I will just take a portable. Bluetooth keyboard with me rechargeable with me and it really is far far more comfortable. I liked your reaction though Laurie because that was exactly what I what I react. I look at this approach Mac book pro. I think it's the new sixteen squashed and the broken and I just can't imagine how sad I would be watching that happen like that. Like I would probably just like a a a remake. Haiti make I had a airbag hit one of my My titanium was attaining was airbag and made a great stunt computer so true. Yeah at least you got something because you're GonNa have fun with you. Could bring this tablet prepared Alex more information on this and if an airbag what happened tickets thrown into the face of somebody knows me. So what happens is you're not dead to verify DR driving. I was in the passenger seat preparing a presentation And the guy that was driving just bumped the person in front of not very hard and the airbag popped out. It didn't evidently pushed it up against my chest and and screen But otherwise it looked fine which made it much more useful like a month later when I had to speak in front of people and I I looked like I accidentally tripped in through fifteen feet on stage which I felt was necessary because it was a morning seminar morning session for two and a half hours on the second day is the worst time to get a session so I bought probably going to break Alex. You may want to run to the phone. I think we have a payphone right outside because Google just announced that they are canceling Google. Show At least the in person avert part of Google. I O due to concerns. This is the email from Google due to concerns about the krona virus in accordance with health guidance from the CDC who and other health authorities. We've decided to cancel the physical rule. I O event at the shoreline amphitheatre those who purchase tickets will be fully refunded by March thirteenth while registered guests. This year will automatically be able to purchase. I owe twenty twenty one pass so I went to the Google. I O front page and it doesn't say that yet but this according to nine five google email has been sent out to attendees of Google or other people reporting to high wonder how long before apple makes says something as you point out. They don't need to say anything because they haven't sold tickets so and they haven't even announced it as a virtual event like they would probably just announced virtual event from start to finish this also. This also puts a lot of exactly. Also this put prudent but this puts a lot of pressure on apple to simply say well. Google canceled Microsoft. Cancel facebook canceled. But you decided that it was safe to go ahead okay. Let's see how well and if and if there's blowback from that they're gonNA have a blowback that overshadow anything. They announced in June so it. It almost seems like if you had don't buy non-refundable tickets to see if you if you're in the habit of saying it's usually a couple of weeks It's usually at the same time I'm usually there for two weeks anyway. All buy tickets in advance yet. Don't buy tickets in advance the thing well I mean. A lot of people bought their tickets. Last that became the whole trick is dub dub was so expensive. People bought a year early because they were fairly confident. What would happen but you know like this to me. Hurts us in some ways more than apple or Google because they can they apple can fill Steve Jobs theater with employees and have an incredibly rows won't be the same but I have an incredibly rousing? Product reveal event. Almost like a regular keynote they can fedex out product. They can do all those things but it was just so much more efficient for them to briefing after briefing especially with international press because either they have to bring international press to Cupertino or they have to go on a road show and both of those are very resource-intensive but at least if you're in Cupertino and everybody's there you can talk to all like last year. Wdc We didn't get to see in your privacy features. We talk all the privacy engineers. It was a huge difference in the quality and depth of of the information. Now he got back and you shared all information on the show and total where software developers not just the sessions because like there are people who even though sessions almost real time. Now it's amazing. Compared to waiting for the labs labs when you go in and get design critiques. And but you get to talk to the guy who made the framework and he says Oh. You're getting this bug because of this and you're like you save me a year and Google does. I mean the thing is is that that can be done online. Google does Office hours or whatever where they bring in the teams and they livestream for their developers and they talk through. You're talking to guys and they're showing you things and here's how to take your theory. You could do all you can you? Can you can do it for a lot. More people at the same time than having around just a matter of building you know. It's matter of exercising tools. That are already there and applying them to this we. It's not. There's an opportunity to start to stop doing something that's crazy and do something. Is that just a hands on area? Like what you'd have to mail out so many more products than you'd have to just put on a stand everybody's milling around though. I mean honestly I I agree with you on the briefings. I agree with you and all that but the hands on I mean you get twenty. You get the hands on video immediately. Yeah no I understand. It's good for you to but but do you really get I? Guess you you've now seen it I don't know how that is. Is it worth getting corona virus but the You can also localizing until we really shut everything down. You can also localize a lot of these things where you're doing an event where you might be doing in all the major cities and then you. Microsoft people done that. They had satellite events because Montreal's never major city. So we've done a bunch of events because we've had clients that are worried about carbon footprint you know so we've done ones across four four to six cities that are all tied together in the back end and the speakers are coming from every different city. That people are on every different city. They're talking to each other and it works. No one had to travel and again. This wasn't a pandemic issue. This was a climate issue. Yeah I WANNA go to Montreal Bagel West could well. Let's do it. Yeah I really do now that I know that you're practically Miramonte the food. The Food and Food Montreal's I'm using. 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So apple has had a a rule for more than a year that. If you're a Chinese game developer you have to have a license from the Chinese government for apple puts you in the APP store but they haven't been enforcing it. Apparently according to some publication called I'm more The apple scalawags those scalawags of at a time. All Apple tells Chinese game developers. No you know what you gotta get a license. I mean I can't believe this. The there's like the law in China right the ministration of Press and publication of China. That was just a law that they had in place in that apple hadn't been enforcing that for while you think apple kind of knowingly didn't enforce it like L. Let's see if they notice could be could be maybe it's maybe they were given a certain amount of time that they had to to kind of build the the the system in place to make sure that they're checking it now. They've that deadline has hit now. They have to do it even if they were going to. Put PUTTING OFF. You know making the switch. The Chinese government really lock staffing. They just passed a new law. That says you can't say anything that would in any way to scare. People run a virus or disparage the regime. They're not the only government they're the only one doing it fairly openly. They got a law. F- There was a report today about not being able to prep military troops or something because they didn't want people to actually know that we were taking it. Seriously things gasping it's too bad They do They did block plague inc. But yeah but in the rest of the world. Everybody's downloading it the publishers of this great game which has been around for it seems like almost a decade a long time place to say this is just a came and it's not modeling the spread of any actual viruses. You'RE NOT GONNA learn anything from this. Nevertheless I notice people are downloading it. They're also Watching contagion that's like the number one now came out five or six years ago Because we want to learn who was a good movie it. Yeah you know. It wasn't a great movie but apparently was science was good. Yeah it was. Yeah it was okay. It's good it's good to have. It's good to watch it home. It wasn't wanted to go out and see. There's often a trade off between good science entertaining. Fiction interesting considered the science fiction and the scary part is always like Zombie. Plague or bowl lies like the ones that are very visually dynamic but real-life was always like now we're the flu. We're fine tainted view. Remember but it was. That's where I learned what are not meant right right exactly. Yeah full also also made the point that you will never know how this absolute horrific pandemic started because it's a complex interaction between human species on human species. And it's if we knew how to purdue Frederick we could prevent anything from happening and you know the whole. Don't touch your face wash your hands by the way I know safety. Things were in their exactly as I was starting to. Stress started touching my face. I want somebody to make an IPHONE APP that Honk set you when you put it in your apple. Watch and Apple. Watch apple uses the location of your wear. Your wrist is or just you put the camera. No I do not do it. I don't know why he couldn't do do do. I know I know that. That's that's hard not to touch your face I was. I was thinking about running marriage before the show. And I'm out but I definitely have to do something like after the show to drop off something for Fedex and I'm like do I really want to have to wash my hands when I get back. Get back here before the show and not to be able to touch my face for another hour or or do I want to just do all those errands at once and I have to do all the handwashing and all the other non non face touching at once. It's it's an abrogation man We last week we had the story That apple is going to that. The Supreme Court rejected. Apple's appeal and apple is going to have to pay a patent troll Almost half a billion dollars apple has to pay half billion dollars to somebody else man. That's other people. If you have one billion dollars pretty soon everybody comes after you apple will be paying half a billion and a lawsuit claiming it didn't understand him. I'm not happy about this claiming I love when they take a picture that has to do with the they they take a picture that exudes something that has nothing to do with the article like he wasn't there working at this other picture congress. They do it all the time. It's actually this. Is Tim. Standing behind the president when he was announcing that he just opened this factory. Texas running for Congress is having. Tim Cook. Doesn't want you to buy an iphone. Tim Cook has got billions of dollars. What is he doing with a Tim? Cook says that he has an Adam's apple Tim This is A class action lawsuit. Yes so it'd be a lot of people who'd be paying saying apple claimed Eric that claimed apple capped performance on older iphones. Well it did. We know that there's not been a secret about that. It's really the intent that reason why in dispute The lawsuit said because they want him to force people to Upgrade Apple. Said is because your crappy old battery is GonNa crash the phone if you try to route. If it came out he processed a man would call Brown. I believe apple did that intentionally nevertheless The lawsuit is being settled. It was disclosed on Friday. Twenty five dollars per iphone and a minimum of three million dollars although it still needs to be approved by a judge the lawyers get ninety million. And if you're a named member of the class action you get like thousand thousand bucks in the rest of US getting chick apple in all these class actions. Just remember that. It's really just lawyers doing lawyer things. Ninety million doesn't it's not helping anything and it's it's one point two five days of apple revenue. Yeah so the one thing. I hope we get from this though. Is Apple eventually did like I think did the right thing because I think it's better for people's iphones not to shut down unintentionally? But they didn't they didn't do it the right way. They didn't fully explain what was happening and they did later. Once all this Brouhaha came out they gave you know a page that explain what their battery health was and the ability to opt out in between brownouts if they really wanted to and that all of those things if they had just done that up front would have obviated that any of these and I defeat. Conspiracy theories is also super discounted the cost of Of Battery placements which was bad for every roof which was great. Everybody twenty nine dollars. Eleven million people last year two thousand eighteen. I guess took advantage of that. That's twice the normal or ten times. The reality is that apple does like the people say like Apple Force you to buy a new iphone and apple actual plan is way more fiendish than that. They don't want you to buy another iphone. They want you to be so happy with your iphone that you won't even consider a Samsung or anything else when you go to buy but then your old iphone will still be good enough that you'll give it to like a family member or sell it or trade it in so apple can resell it thereby increasing the overall number of iphones in the market because if you remember the earnings report they don't even talk about. How many fold anymore it talk about the absolute platform size now and any iphone that times out of being still useful anymore it gets dropped from the platforms is which is not what they want. So they want those things to keep going secondary and tertiary hands if you had an iphone six seven s e You have to apply and then you could get as much as twenty five dollars depending. It's the same thing we saw this success though. I think they have that wrong. Success he said this is business insider so they may have dropped something there So you'll get a note you'll get some in the mail and you could fill it out or maybe you'll have to go to a form online. I got one for Quebec. We had the similar law student. Quebec and I was getting three bucks five bucks in the mail or you filled it out. No I just said Hey. You're a resident Quebec. And we're getting. We're you're part of this. I wish they would just send us a coupon to the apple store. Give me ten bucks. What what can you buy for five dollars at the apple store? Alex especially? You can't count on something that you were going to buy anyway. It's a one hundred twenty fifth of an Alex here. Here's one hundred twenty fifth of and Alex. I will find something by yourself. Something cavs inmates have some bins and an apple store. It'd probably be ten dollars from the six ninety five. I'm a little disturbed by this and we talked about it on. Iowa's Today and Mike and I were kind of disheartened This is a report by the Australian Strategic Policy Institute WE -GARS for sale I don't know who the Australian Strategic Policy Institute is so I don't know the facts on this but they say and we know this that the Muslim minority in China the weaker minority has been incarcerated by the millions in concentration camps. The report says that many of them are then sent To get reeducated and then brought to two factories under conditions quote that strongly suggest forced labor factories that are in the supply chain of at least eighty three well known global brands including Apple. Bmw GAP WA WAY. Nike Samsung Sony and Volkswagen. They eighty thousand acres. Were transferred out of their homes in Xinjiang to work in factories between two thousand seventeen and twenty nineteen some sent directly from detention camps I obviously Tim Cook is GonNa make that face again. When he sees this they did. I think Apple's done a lot to improve. Conditions for workers in their primary assembly plants the Foxconn plants and the peg of trump plants. But I these are mostly going to factories that are suppliers to apple suppliers of L. L. led screens or the camera modules. And things like that. Your thoughts Sandy Honey it's I don't think apple is to blame. I don't think most of the companies are being named are to blame It's part of how complicated the supply chain is. And if you're going to be have the if you're going to have the hiring power in the commercial power company like like Samsung like apple like like while way like anybody you have to take responsibility for the fact that sometimes your suppliers going to do things that you don't approve of and possibly if they have if they have to do some more work part of that is going to have to be W- if we are negotiating for the best. We can possibly have in terms of bringing Unicorn down. Bring things in on the timeline that we demand and not on what they think they can. They can extra provide. What are these contractors going to do? In order to make sure that they can produce this component the price we want and and at the time frame that we want it. Labor is such a complicated thing and there's so many knock on effects that we are going to figure out For the next ten twenty years it really is like climate change like a social version of climate change. We don't know that we've fundamentally screwed up a thing that makes the global society work until we see all these weaknesses happens. This is the first The first crack in that in that scenario we are seeing slave labor. Will again the the we we are no doubt about it? It is slave labor being used to produce components that are going into an iphone and again not with the knowledge and not with the consent of Apple. They'RE GONNA they're gonNA probably. Pbb beating a few beating if you managers about this but nonetheless. That's what happens when you drive costs little as low as possible. The people who are going to get it right in the neck are usually the people doing the assembly. The people who are being paid an hourly wage S. P. I reached out to the eighty three brands by the way all the big brands are in here including many clothing and sneaker manufacturers cars You know all kinds of manufacturers and And asked about the suppliers some of the companies For Instance Adidas Bosch Panasonic said and. I bet you apple is in this boat to we. Don't have any direct contractual relationships with those suppliers. Those suppliers make products that are then sent to other factories that we do have a relationship with. Yeah and and I think that's been part of the problem with the supply chain. Is You know the batteries A lot of these parts are made in in questionable circumstances. But if you don't deal directly with those factories then you don't have any leverage such a complicated. It's very calm. I mean the thing is it would be like. I just know that you know I've worked with a bunch of these companies. I have to sign all kinds of you know if I'm working for a large corporation. I have to sign all kinds of agreements forced labor. I know I know but but but the thing is is when we're hiring freelancers. I have to do background checks on folks and and and you have you. There's all these stacks but it's like at some point. I don't know what they did. You know like you know. I don't know what the person that they bought stuff from being used in the you know this is like this is not like someone directly. Give something what happens so I I do have to say this is what happens when you say and I think he right Andy. The price pressure maybe drove them to it. We'RE GONNA manufacturing China If they were being manufactured in the US with US made parts it would be done in. Prisons I may be off your license plate right and of course you're not suggesting and equivalency there but you're you are right that occurred in the the work that we outsource to prisons in the United States is in this stuff maybe not sitting right next to them but it's in the same room. Yeah now there's a lot of stuff that's made in prisons. I I would. I would say though Alex kind of drifting off of what you were talking about that you know the difficulty of kind of you can't you can't know what every part is being made for your phone for example in this case but I think that corporations do have the ability to put pressure on all the way down the supply chain of especially after having the knowledge so before they had the knowledge of some something for some forced labor happening down Wednesday. Learn that I think this report within a year none of these guys are going to be using anything that's connected to that so if they can't there's well there's another big issue there in which this is the Chinese government that are rounding up Muslims putting them into camps that they are claiming to be employment retraining camps but are actually not only it's it's re education reeducation camps and not only that he being then moved and forced into this labor situation but also they are treated like third or fourth class citizens within that Labor community? Where even then they're being monitored. They are being forbidden from practicing their religion. Their being sussman. They're being suspected. This is not A. It's it's it really does raise once again. That that consistent drumbeat of what is going to be the cost of dealing with countries that treat their own people in deplorable ways. And there's never an easy answer a lot of these things. Well Yeah Yeah. But but again we're not rounding up people putting the WHO are certain religion plenty of them in camps and then force it if it away from their families Canadians what's happening with Canada? And the natives in with America and the borders and I honestly don't know how far away we are from anything anymore terribly terribly in human. What we're doing to each other to learn screw. You sent me this link from the state of California since nineteen forty seven inmates at folsom state prison manufactured. California's license plates for the Department of motor vehicles. Originally the factory was located in a surplus airplane hangar near the original granite quarry. So now we know what else. The inmates are doing in one thousand nine hundred fifty three. The entire operation was dismantled and reassembled in the new factory located in the upper yard. The first license plates were made of steel today license plates are manufactured from Aluminium with reflective sheeting over the years license plates. Have undergone many changes Blah Blah Blah through the license plates prisoners? Doing all kinds owns folks. Don't want to conflate the two but I feel like we would have a much better moral platform with outraged if we weren't being just so terrible in our own way but my my my big my big issue is is more with the shift towards privately owned prisons as opposed. It's one thing it's one thing when you have federal and state owned prisons where a lot of the part of a lot of the reasons why you have prisoners stamping license plates because it gives them something to do other than getting into severe forms of mischief gives them a basically gives them a part of a rehabilitation training. It's when you have a private prison that is trying to be run for profit when the corporation that owns that prison sees that the prisoners as a Labor unit that then can be rented out and then you have them lobbying for certain get tough on crime incentives to make sure that those private prisons get filled with people who can do that contracted work. That's when you start to be like Oh for F. Sake come on. This is what put what country. What country are we do we have do? We have a right to judge anybody on anything. If if the it's it's one thing if it's a if a government is Is saying that a group has ideologically unsound for inclusion into the regular workforce And be trusted of our society. But it's not. It's not as bad. But it's certainly in the same sort of category when you basically say that corporations are allowed to withdraw human beings from the general population to be able to provide cheap labor at pay. It's anyway I'm about to get on tear so I'm going to stop. Yeah I got you and ESPN. That's why I voted today. That's all we get to do Thirteen point four Beta his out. Nine to five Mac digging through the code Looks like they said they found evidence at apple might be working on an Internet recovery for IOS. Does this mean the end of the D. F? The End Leo are just the EDF on the Cloud D. F. You D- I'm GONNA. I'm GONNA sound like a broken record on this. But there was a huge rumor that Google was going to make a one of the pixel phone with no ports and they ended up doing it because they could not get remote execution one hundred percent stable and it has to be We've had a quote unquote Portland devices. Like the the Apple. Watch and the the apple. Tv. Don't have user accessible points you can break them open and dig round inside and get a USB port but they're just not user accessible and you have to take them to an apple store and they opened up seals port and they plug into it but it would make everyone's lives much easier whether we keep the port or not if you didn't have to go 'cause like my. I don't think most of my family knows how to connect to itunes or finder now anymore as they. They're so used to living in the age of cloud. It would make it so much easier that if any update went wrong instead of breaking device and having to go find a way to plug it in you could just do an internet recovery. It would just be one more step towards making these things really truly pc free. That's why when I did a Ask The tech guy on the DFW. I sent people to your video at. I'm more DOT COM. Because timing is so critical. Yeah you know that you got to watch a video while you're pressing a button and doing the button in a dance. She wanted to be. Because you don't want it to happen by accident Well let's see my my issue is that how many times have you had a problem with the device And you go you go into you do a google search for. How do I solve this problem? And then you'll find a really beautifully produced support document on apple or Google or whatever that explains here's how you do the reset and then wait for it to blink four times that for Prince. Four TIMES BLINKS AGAIN. It'll turn orange and go into recovery mode but there's nothing of that document says okay. Let's say hypothetically that I do all that and the light never does turn orange. Are you gonNa tell me exactly what to do? Then that and then there's no documentation for that and The two I've I've said this time and time again. Because this really is a core belief for me if you're gonNA take away a feature from From a device you have to give the consumer something in return. You can't just do it because you're designers are offended but there's a hole in this thing you can't do it because oh well it's inconvenient to have to design around having this This other mechanical structure inside the device. I would be okay with it. I'm okay with it on the Apple. Watch for obviously. You can't have a thirty pin port on on this device. It's it's just crazy. I'm okay with it on the Apple. Tv because it really isn't a device. Where do anything but simply plug it in plug it into a TV and watch television and it's also cost but you know two hundred dollars one hundred fifty dollars when you're when you're when you're giving me eight when I'm giving you eight hundred dollars for a phone. I really want to make sure that anything that I want to do with the phone. I don't care about the majority of people. Do I WanNa make sure that what my possibilities aren't being limited by the fact that you made an arbitrary. Excuse me you made is selfish decision as a designer and decided that well people don't use ports anyway we're going to simply delete it. I'll be with you. I won't even notice. It's gone until that first time where I'm totally totally screwed. But I would have had an out if I had an actual place. I can plug in a cable on this device which is exactly where this Os Recovery is. It's sort of like the first step in into that world and I actually. I don't think it's a good idea for apple to us to make a Portland phone. I'm on your side with Andy but I think this evidence and the Beta that there may be some kind of cloud based recovery. This to me is an example of apple testing the waters whether or not this is something that could implement because I don't think they will get rid of the ports until they're sure that they can allow people at home to access Recovery for their phone or ordeal for their phone through the cloud. And it's seamless and smooth and it works really well because that is so important to us before you know before making the steps no. I agree completely. The other issues are always going to be just glossing over the fact that there are a lot of people that don't have easy access to an apple store either because there just simply isn't one air by four because they don't have a car they can get into and drive to a mall But the but the other thing is that Wireless I think this is a this is a line that is I keep stealing from Rene and I usually credit but because it's a cold left a lot of things I already knew but failed to put into a simple phrase. That wireless charging does not come for free that you're going to have to deal with the fact that it's going to it causes heat. It causes stress on the battery. It's not typically as fast It's not as it's not as easy to take a last night charged my phone and once again. I've had this phone for years but I was shocked to find out that I was. I was at like zero at like. You're about to go go south. This phone is about to go home to Jesus temporarily until Until if you don't plug it in and looked at it again fifteen minutes later and it was up to sixty percent and like my God. I love fast charging and I don't WanNA trade away the ability to fast charger. Basically just to. By the time I finished the by the time I not that I ordered at starbucks has gotten even slightly warmer. My phone is one hundred percent and I go on with my life again. Show me give me a reason why you remove that port and it can't be. We didn't like the we didn't like the the slot in there. We didn't like the fact that we can't make we couldn't put this component here because we have put in a lightning porter or USB port. That's just my philosophy. My hope is that one of the things that go ahead I was going to. My my feeling is that mechanical things are still failure. Points and hardware companies hate that but if they can just mitigated a little bit so for example like a water resistance is fine but if you plug immediately in after it's wet. You should never do that. That causes shorts or it causes corrosion and also people again. I don't think any of my family knows how to plug into itunes. And that becomes a whole stress thing and they've they've gotta find more and thank goodness. Lord is such a great job with all that stuff they can find it and they can do it but if they don't have to if if the port is an option for them even if it reduces usage by fifty percent wear and tear by fifty percent. That's huge savings. It means those ports will last longer. The phones last longer. They'll be less errors. They can fast charge if they want to. But they have wireless if they need it. That's my favorite. So far is because they didn't take away anything they just gave us the convenience of wireless charging so like one day. I'm assuming everything will be gone. Even the phone will just be virtual whatever in our brains but until then like just let us keep those things for as long as possible so that we get the convenience and can work our way off of the The speed consider the fact that some people don't have computers in their house anymore. I I've said this before. My mom is an example of that. She doesn't own a computer. She has an iphone and IPAD. But she can't go into recovery mode if she needs to do something to either ever devised she has to take it into an apple store so this is also At you know helping people who have kind of transitioned out of computers entirely and the better. Our mobile devices are the more people aren't going to have full computers in their home. Excellent point with Mac. That was one of the best things ever did with the Mac you could. You can install the operating system from the Internet Zappia. Yeah and you can. Also he ran that scene. And that's where the that's where the frog absolutely has to leap out of the boiling water. I I'm kind of a I. I will still say that I think that phone with the headphone Jack is better than one without one. But I accept that especially three years later. it's no. No one has died because of this as far as but because they're no longer being strangled in their sleep because they went to fell asleep and then they twisted or how about the people who are trying to see emergency. Cpr But like they're on the phone till nine one one but then they get disconnected because a Bluetooth. But if they had okay. There's a problem that we're all have to us now. Battery powered Air Pods are had phones that then ended up in the landfill. Because you can't replace the battery in the airports. I don't know if that's a net gain. Yeah I have phones work forever. It's I. I have a lot of difficulty with the fact that these are. This is not isolated to To Apple two hundred and fifty dollars two hundred seventy five dollars loop. I was here butts everywhere. I have a big problem with personally. Spending two hundred fifty to seventy five dollars on on a device that has an absolute date on it. Yeah until until somebody figures out how to how to swap out these batteries and given how precisely these things are put together as well as how so tariff. These batteries are going to be. That's not going to be the case. we've gotta find. You gotta be creative in thinking about people who can't afford it. That's fine but for me. That is such a hard no that I can't imagine that's not a big deal for everybody else. We just have to figure out how to create art. Art Art work with it. I know I had a monitor monitor. That wasn't working so I gave it to my son. He turned it into a lamp. Perfect you know. He came back and gave it to my wife for birthday. It was like he gave her a lab. Where did you get the lamp? And he's like I made it from the Monitor little earlier today. I fired up by EERO APP during IOS today. And Lo and behold your. Eero now works with Apple Home Kit. That's actually a big deal. Used to be if you wanted to put your iot devices if you wanted to secure the network from them because they often become a gateway for bad guys into your network. He had used the Steve Gibson Three router system which is impracticable to say the least especially since now. You can't reach your teeth devices so you can't you can't use them This is a really good solution. Isolating Home Kit. Iot devices on your Eero Network. I I imagine apple's going to extend this to other networks at some point but this is something now available right now in your Eero. Leo I have to ask you a question about this especially because you were talking with Mike about it. And he's also a home kit expert on a smartphone expert. What about the that? You're supposed to Reset all of your smart device. Go back into the okay read. That's the only reason that we talked about this last week. Didn't we did repeating the story? I am because nope no okay. Somebody else crazy. Obviously you have to re talking about it. Because it was rumored to move forward and then and now now it has you have to. Do you have to reset it? Is that what Apple Sing reset the devices? I think they're saying they recommend it. And it's it's I I haven't tried it yet because I don't want to find out that I have to go reset every single one of my home kit. Or what's your what it does is it makes a firewall basically around every device and then opens justice ports that are necessary for that device to either communicate to the outside world. Although you can say if there's no reason for a device to connect to the outside world you can't your local network only but the firewalls great. Because it says this port only this device only and prevents. I mean. I'm going to have to say it might be unnecessary because anything. That's home. Kit is probably has over the air updates and it's probably pretty secure it by itself. It's the weird off brand Chinese cameras. I'm more worried about and they're not home kit but still this is a this is exactly the in my opinion. The right thing to do and going forward it'll just be when you get a new home kit device you just attitude network right so if you put it off like me. Then you're yeah it does it. It says Do you have three three levels of security restrict to home which means devices can interact with home kit through your apple devices. No access to the Internet at all. The default option is automatic which allows limited Internet access to the home kit and connection quote connections recommended by its manufacturer and then no restriction. It's just like it is already which is I think I would set my phasers to definitely restrict a home logging from external and right and killing people some devices though. I need to get the time from time server and things like that so you can't necessarily do that. I think this is a good thing to do anything. I just saw that. It is available now when Mike You Mentioned. I fired up my hero APP and there it is so if you've got Niro and I presume other home kit routers will do the same thing at some point Pressures on now right. Let's take a break and then shall we come back to our picks of the week all right. We'll do that. I just want to reiterate what we said earlier the WW T- panel is now open to all so. Please don't come a few sick. But all without sniffles know sniffles allowed but if you go to W. W. T. dot com slash twit dash live dash podcast Then we will let you in and you can join our live broadcast. Alex Lindsay's on the panel Mary Jo Foley is on the panel. 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I think we're going to see more of I don't know if it's it's all there yet but it's worth checking out it's called network Or the network and what these guys do is they have live streams and they've dropped new products and they do these little these little videos doing work for them. What I'm not doing work okay. So the but it's it's more of an interesting Weird stuff weird stuff And again what? So what? So is it the person who's making this device? No no this is a this is you can just you can buy. You can literally ECOMMERCE. What's the live stream it? Well it's not. It's it's hard to see on the home shopping network with we're going to see more of this. This is more of a less. You should go look at it. I mean you should use it. It's more of you go. Look at it There sixty thousand livestream being done to sell products in China. Not here but the point is that is that this is the there's a this is a glimpse of the future of I think that that there is a where we're going to see me always been saying this brand's should do their own. Revised cast their own streams their own videos. And what they do is. They merged it of buying ads on our fine network. Still by on your network to talk about the their launch products you know like you know that you and so they pay you to the product by so so tomorrow there's going to be a G. Shock Twenty fifth anniversary so they'll show on stream at five. Pm On there that you can watch on your on your phone and then you can but the purchasing is right in the phone sources more for people who like to spend money no people like me who do production you just want to pay attention to this market because I think this market is going to be a really next big thing. I really interesting market. That's going to Pick up speed so this is less of a recommendation of. Oh you should go. You know use this all the time and go buy stuff because it could get expensive It's more of a just worth researching this market. Because I think it's going to keep growing the youngs you think. The young kids the utes. That's who this is for. Think so feels like it is. Doesn't it like it's are you a ute? John necessarily pay you well enough to is the first one I've seen. This is the first one that I've seen with purchasing like really well put you know. Oh I really want this. What is this? What is this freaky? That's it's like a skeletal you'll get to know on six run English collectibles so a birthday present for the birthday present so Again I I. I'm just interested in it from a perspective of young younger people right Yeah Yeah Yeah and you're right. It might be the future. Young people have no taste again on their think about that. All it could be done to begin with. Why would they watch a stream? That's okay but but it might. We watched the apple streams. Don't we we watch the news because we're interested in those products or if if black magic is releasing a new camera? People would love to have a livestream where someone's like. Let's show you the camera. Let's talk about the experts talking about now. That's not what this is doing necessarily right now. But I think that when people were launched neurotic there's a lot of people who are interested in that product. And right now you know. I was I configuring A clear calm device and and it was like there's no documentation for the best parts of it. You know people under thirty go to Youtube immediately. If they have a question they don't read a manual of I go to YouTube. Everybody like I go to Youtube and then I you know it's it's not there. I'm like Oh man what's so. Here's Joan Hill plus Adidas and a stream and show off his sneaks. I'm sorry what do they call them? They don't call them sneakers just trying to keep. I'm just trying to keep up with the kids. That's only saying just may the fourth a very special very special stream on May the fourth there. You Go I still can't see that bloody handprint on the stormtrooper held that. Not Think Wilson from cast what I thought. That was a bad choice in the first or was it on purpose. Woo tried to lure. Thome eggs into the franchise. Would-be why interlocking out. By BINDRA Day Laura Gill pick of the week. What am I buying this week Anything except for maybe some food so I just and I'm I'm I know there's going to be a lot of people who said this has been around forever. You're so behind the Times but I just discovered yes I know I know I know but I just discovered it so bingeing with Fabisch. Who's You I am? I'm so new to this that I'm not sure what his history is in the culinary world. I recognize those tattoos could do. My son watches watches. Okay yeah so it. It's it's really just nicely put together Youtube Channel and it has recipes for For for for things for foods but what is so cool to me as that. He uses foods that are referenced or eaten in other movies. There's sandwich from birds of prey right and the one that caught my eye was Ramdan from Paris. I wanted to make this one watching the movie she saying. Get some make me Rahm done. And what is that I want it? Yes any not only does he make it the with the in this particular episode of. He makes it with the store bought prepackaged stuff he also makes his own version from scratch six. I WANNA make the real deal. Yeah so it's it's really cool and I've only just started getting into watching his his stuff but I've just been really impressed with delicious food making techniques and I don't Cook at home or anything I'd just like to watch videos of people cooking food. How come he can play parasite on his Youtube Channel? And I can't even play his youtube channel playing Peres. What's the deal man? He paid the money. Think he paid parasite no no four million views in one month less than a month in two weeks yeah. He's a big channel on Beijing with Babouche Romden from parasite four million views. Lots of people making Ramadan menam. I'm not making anything with a key. Ingredient called CHAPA getty. Good this is a good pick. I'm GONNA try this. This looks good. I don't know why he doesn't get the sponsored. A killer sponsor spot right there. Oh well I'm just no one's paid yet but he's got he's working on it. I'm sure I'm sure he's working. There's a big Mac. I don't know what a big Mac Donald's this parasite truffles Bob's burgers. Sorry he's explaining the juxtaposition of cheap food with really fancy engages on one hundred fifty dollars truffles on it. Three dollar big Mac. Right yes delicious. Ruined the big Mac All right cool. Do you ever see his face or you. Just see as you do. It usually what happens at the very end of the episode? He leans down and takes a bite of the food and then you kind of see him leaning down in eating so you do get to see his face but almost always it's from the chest douses. Henry's hero this is who Henry my son wants to be and like on Brooklyn nine. You Save a few of the Rama noodles crunchy and you put them on the top afterwards. A really great is that. Is that a special thing though? That's a joke from Brooklyn nine. When character got sent to prison and he made his fame in prison by recommending that they keep some dried Rama noodles to crush on top and at first they were angry. That an interloper with dairy. Tell them how to eat their. Rahman then they tried it and it was delicious and he got his prison so good courses lunchtime. But I'm just saying this looks so good. Yeah yeah it does. And this is the one with the prepackaged stuff so if you host the toward the end and you see him. He makes the noodles from scratch. He makes the The Broth in ten minutes It looks pretty good. Looks exactly like the one in Paris it by the way right? Yeah Rene Ritchie your pick of the week so I. I'll say if you like if you like him. There's also a channel called pickup lines With an M. that's a Canadian Vegan nutritionist living in the Netherlands who does very similar but very healthy trendy sort of good foods. You can check that out too but my pick is an APP. Called Tot from a little company called the ICON. Filers wondering if anybody would pick this. Maybe you've heard of Craig and Berry and get may here. I don't know you know they've been around for their young. Some some kid named Gruber. Yeah well he tested it but it's it's really interesting. It's not a full on notes happen. It's not meant to be and it's not a clipboard. Multilevel clipboard manager. It's something that just lets you record seven. Bits of random text you WANNA record. It's a single street interface. You've got different colors to identify the different tabs. You Swipe between them and just put down any texts that you want to save something. That's not important to you enough to be a note that you want to keep you know. Virtually forever but something that you don't want to forget about either. It's like a little scratch pad and the the business model is so interesting. The MAC APP is absolutely free. You can download it and you can run it on your Mac for free but if not the companion. Ios APP which runs on Iphone and IPAD is twenty bucks well for an Iowa. Five bucks a note. Total totally is but again like the MAC APP. Which is what they really want to make is free and they weren't you know the the IOS APP is going to take them a lot more to support it and it wasn't really their first in line use case but they said if anybody actually wants it's available it's just. It's twenty bucks no subscription. No up sell no anything else. Just a one time twenty bucks and you can have your notes lickety-split sink everywhere expect. Let's see how the people react to that when they complain so hard that they want to pay for subscriptions. Well here you go. I ain't GonNa buy this prediction. No yes you know what? I would suggest. This would be a good programming exercise. You could write this weekend. You'd learn a little bit. You'd have it just the way you wanted. It seems like a trivial APP. The concept is trivial. Everything is the execution like it's it's Berry Amiga and the icon factories ability to get a thing but like a beautiful thing that you're paying for. Yeah it's pretty pretty I was you know I meant to talk about this because I thought this is the strangest thing ever. What is it? It's literally four different notes. That's it I think. Seventy seven okay. Yeah yes seven one. Two three four five six seven I it. So it's seven notes like you already have apple notes which is unlimited. You already could use Google for free. It's let's see these don't just grow like you don't write something down and they never looked at it again. Now you have three thousand things and see. This is the benefit one is. If you want to add something new you've gotta sacrifice something else. You never have more than seven pages. Okay Twenty Bucks. I always said I would pay cultured code so much more for an APP called thing that only let me have one thing semantics focus would use machine learning to subtly. Drop out the things that knows. I'm never going to do like just save me. The mental hassle of admitting defeat every day. Just like we need never does this. We're going to use a better about himself machine language and machine learning to to look at what you constantly say you're going to do and never do and then just quietly have disappeared but it can't it can't do a flash it just takes takes it out like you just you just put it in their day. It's just gone. So Alex. Glad Alex you've accidentally created a brilliant idea for a pro for productivity up. Where all of your projects are like Tamagotchi? That they need if they are going to pay attention to the way they die and you know better than all them footprints in the sand. But what happens what happens. Is that if you don't if you don't tend to them if you ignore them for a while they don't die. What what the APP does is an encrypted with an encryption key that you can't access until you donate fifty dollars to a charity that you've already designated i. I just think they disappear. And if you don't really look for them for a while then they die then they just this just this no I. I use apple notes. Yeah I my whole life is a curious how this could be. This could be whole range of intentionally Spartan APPs this. This is exactly the sort of APP that I love to support where it is definitely not going to become a name in culture anywhere. It is a a weird idea that a few people got so captivated by that they had to wish they had to build it into reality rather than just let it. Go back to the of ghosts and wins And it's the sort of APP where most people are going to be like but they're going to be a few people that Oh my God. This changed my life but not not a baby but certainly my first kitten after after your product. I definitely respect constrained resources. You know like I think that part of what I love about twitter is that it's an art via you know it is a. It's an true. I why the sonnet is a great poetic for tweets. Most of them are almost like there's like seventy nine character. Yeah they're they're always like in an and I 'cause I write them in there about three hundred and then I cut it down. I move things around and I- restate things and I get rid of my passive verbs and I do all the things that need to do to get to get down and I like that. I like I like that that that process so I get. I get the constraints but I just do so many notes per day so I go back and look at it. I wasn't GonNa make this a pick but I've been using something called notion. Are you familiar with notions? I love notion so this is the exact opposite of tot. This is kind of an endless notebook for anything that you want. What's cool about it? Is that any note can be shared. It can become a a webpage a public web. Page or a private webpage There's there's graphics there's images it uses. Markdown I think it's beautiful but it's completely free form fact it's a little challenging because at first you open it up and I don't know what does it do. I don't under- I felt like it was more like a development platform for personal productivity. Meaning that once you get if after four or five or six months of of developing this thing for your job or your needs you'd get something that is absolutely custom-tailored but out of the box it's going to be a bit of a Slob but when you when you see but I agree once you see what other people have done with it. You're like I WANNA make that slug. I want a Antionette go focused productivity. I have started using this a few weeks ago. And it's become my absolute number one. I just keep it running. It has an APP for IOS android. Mac Windows it's a web interface continue to show John It's got a web interface This is my Mac. Os Setup so. What's Nice about this? When I get a new machine I can Immediately Open the web. Because you know I I know memorize the password and I can set up the new machine With all of the commands and everything that I need I have to say this is incredibly useful. It could be you know when I went car shopping. I put all the things that I needed in a car and then once I mean this is. This is so easy to do. I don't know I'm really a fan. Now it's free for a thousand blocks here. I've put together my Kovic. Nineteen pages with instructions on how to wash your hands Prep for the corona virus. You could put web pages in here. he could put tweets. You could put maps I feel like it's This is the exact opposite of taught and I think it's actually insanely useful. So there we got two picks one for one for the minimalist one for the maximalist notion. Yes installed tot on my Mac just now and I immediately know that I'm going to be using it a lot. It's puts a menu bar icon for you. I love and I just need to sometimes just like oh I gotta remember to call somebody later to put that in there and you know maybe it's also something that I wanna kind of plan out what. I'm going to do for work for the next week but I don't need to open notes for. I just need to do something really quickly. Yeah it's going to be useful for me for sure. Just if for no other reason than it's got a menu bar icon that lets me just jump in and look at it really quickly so with notebook. Yeah Yeah Yeah see I like wicky wicky whereas you just keep on. Keep on going and keep. And it's not adobe frame acres pages Leo like there's some there's room in between both. Yeah no I agree and to documenting battleships. Yeah there's maximalist vs minimalist. That's the that's the idea here. So Yeah Andy. Nocco your pick of the week My pick is something that I've been looking for for about five years and specifically thinking hard about for the past four months before pulling the trigger because it was kind of Spendy for me But this is all right is the Philipson meaning bag. I've looking for years for years to get a bite for life type of like everyday. Carry sort of bag solving. It's better than the nylon bags that usually get. I wear out after two or three years But wouldn't be so open. This is made out of one hundred percent ox blood leather and just not being practical. It really took me a long time to find one. That had all the earmarks that I liked meeting built really really well also really really classy. Has A lifetime. Warranty are also lifetime repair for things that fall outside of the warranty but also fit everything that I need or I want this sort of everyday carry bag to be. I'm I'm talking about the the the carry on bag. You stick under your seat not the not the role away you put in fifty bucks so it's a little bit spendy but It's it's very very thick. The twelve like a canvas It's reinforced at the bottom. Really Nice Leather. For All the fittings of all if Allah fixtures really really nice like leather strap all the fixtures are real brass. They're not some sort of like weird cheap pot metal or something like that but what I really like about. It is that it might not. It also has a needed for me. It needs to have a carrying handle at the top so that if you're just grabbing something from from the concierge at the hotel or you need something just to fix it to the topic rollaway. it's not saying this is necessarily the best bag for everybody. This is just the best. But this had all the features I liked out of every previous bag that I've been using for the past five or six years. Just walk you through a few of them like I need to have like the I like. The kind of has what's called a weather. Weather flap on the top for a couple of reasons one of which being that often too if oftentimes but not always the the straps that hold it down. We'll have like a little bit of like Like a bulge here. So if you have an umbrella or tripod can stick it up there. The other nice thing about having the storm flap. Is that if you're in a casual situation? You could just leave. The flap open like did and keep growing growing into it and like spring is coming and so the addressing layers. So I'll have my jacket and the jacket you can simply you don't have to even stuff it inside the bag even just laid across this. Put the flap over it and then carry it around that way has to have a magazine flab at the back for first order retrievability usually of things like my ipad or things that I'm reading At really like to have these little pockets on the edges like one four. My water bottle usually the other one has my super high capacity. Recharging battery The other thing the other thing is kind of controversial firm number of people. I know I don't like bags. Have Lots and lots of dividers little pockets inside them because now in very I just don't have stuff that fits into those pockets specifically so what I prefer to do is just like sort my own gear a little bundles like this It's big enough to hold really any thirteen inch and maybe fourteen inch laptops. The only like this is my thirteen inch macbook that I usually keep in this kind of asleep One thing that's kind of a warning sign for certain people I like this. I should say It's actually has like sort of a team that makes the the top of it narrower. So if you have a larger laptop you might have to sort of put one in first and then the other end as opposed to sliding it all the way down. I like that because when you have the flap in it protects the contents from the rain and also protected from fingers. Just being able to jump in people people behind you on the subway and grab things But again a lot of people are going to want organization. That's fine I should it only has as far as a pockets go. It only has two but they are big pockets and if you WANNA know how big they are. It is actually big enough to carry. Not only because he is he having his pockets. Not only my my Sony disc man oh pocket also has eter. That's how they're not. They're not chintzy little pockets If you pull vinyl out of they're not gonNA have words you'll get you can fit. You can fit in Alpine here now so like I said it's not it's not cheap. It's three hundred fifty bucks a available colors and get a smaller version of this. If you're just using it with an IPAD and that costs a little bit less if you sign up for the newsletter you can get ten percent off immediately And that's what I that's. Why would I engage with? Their policy is once again if if anything ever goes wrong with it because of defect if they didn't close a stitch rather properly and something POPs off Senate. They'll fix it for free. If just wear and tear happens they will charge you for it. But they've been around for about one hundred years and they will. I like the idea of fifteen years from now having like patches on this thing and I've seen videos of people who've had them for ten years showing off after ten years they look very nice beaten and and positive I will get. I'll give one little warning though and this kind of I had to navigate this to three hundred fifty bucks. I tried to say that. I'm frugal rather than cheap. So this is why it took me four months after discovering this to really decide if this is absolutely going to be the thing that was going to work for me despite the fact that there is a thirty day return policy so you can faucets and resale will condition. You can buy check it out with your own stuff in your office and then send it back. You don't like it but now there is a weird weird and suspicious thing Filton if you if you're live in Seattle. They have a filter. Filton factory store where you can buy seconds really cheap. That's fine but if you look online if you go to Ebay you'll find lots of sellers that have the same bag for two hundred fifty dollars. And it's not as though and their brand new with tags they say and they say oh well it's not like a limited number. They only have to. They seem to have as much as you can possibly get and for the life of me cannot figure out any answer to how are they able to get an unlimited supply of these bags for one hundred very very famous bags for one hundred dollars off retail unless they were absolutely counterfeit And so that's and I'm pretty sure that they there are a lot of conflict bags over there. Because I've seen like online reviews. I said Oh. The the the the so-called brass handle broke off after about a month or the stitching came undone like almost immediately and also most suspiciously. This is why I was so cautious that it won't I can't get my thirteen inch macbook pro in here and it's like wait a minute. I act- I didn't actually buy it until I went to the Boston store locally pro in their maximum my fifteen fifteen inch macbook pro inside my goodness slip. Base works fine. That's my age and I thought it was. That's nice so a and again if this were packed to the absolute gills. I think I would have problems getting it out because once again Sort of like a lip Kind of would have to make Shimmy out but so I would say make sure you're buying directly from Filton Because that was the big warning sign with people. I was concerned that. Oh well gee if it doesn't fit my macbook pro. I don't always leave the house with a Mac book. It really is more about the IPAD. But that would be kind of a deal breaker. So that's why actually made a trip. I filled my backpack with all the stuff they would I would Even even potentially carry everyday carry bag and went and actually took to the store for a test fitting and fifth grade so I think that there are knockoffs. That are a little bit too small. Oh the old one last feature that really liked and again. These are things that I have. I have to abuse these things for a while before I realized is what like the bottom of this. The bottom of the bag is wider than the top. Which means that when you are in that mode of. I'M CHECK OUT OF THIS HOTEL. I need to get out of here to get the right to the airport and you're just stuffing things in your bag. The death of me is when I'm I'm using a conventional bag where it's the same with from bottom to top so I'll get nice and stuff stuff stuff but then I can't close the top because I've overstuffed it. The thing is all the stuff is at the bottom and the narrow part of the top you will almost always be able to flip it over and actually seal it up anyway. So I've had this for about a week now I've taken it out on a couple of different excursions really really like it is. It's it's the has the hallmark of any for me for any like major purchase. That I will definitely be worried on my guy. My really gonNA spend three hundred dollars on a bag and then like a first time actually use it. I completely forget about how much spent on it because it is. It's the right size. The right functions the right features and I think it looks. Damn Nice and and I'm of the age where I'm going to enjoy having like the same bag my Ford Prefect bag that I've been fantasizing about since I was born with thirteen years old if I were going to a stringer for the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy. This is probably the bag that I'd have with me all the time. Should I have a bag Jones as yeah many people know? Oh and I've never heard of Filton before I've been looking at all their stuff man. This is gorgeous since eighteen ninety seven. Yeah and they have. They have backpacks they have. They have briefcases. I didn't some people are like. Oh I I want to zipper top that I could secure well. They do have briefcases and other bag's Zipper tops to them. I want something big enough. That could actually not only have by laptop but also have a couple of days worth of likes stuff for a trip. They have also a small double. They have lots and lots of different stuff. That's of that same thing. They have only three or four stores. nationwide others flagship store in New York. Whether instance. There's one in Boston teen cloth I believe. It's like fine Corinthian leather. That's the name that they came up with. Its eye briefcase. Yeah it's it's see the thing is a it's it's definitely stronger than nylon because my the fault of every bag that I've loved that I bought for like fifty or sixty bucks has always been after a couple of years. There will be something wearing through. There'll be a hole somewhere usually on the bottom of it And so hopefully my I've experienced with With bags made of this kind of material that I've seen invented shops. That are just like fifty sixty years old. This kind of heavy canvas tends to stand up and once again even if I do wear a hole in it they will send it back with a very very Sunday. Look at what it is. It's a tightly woven canvas duck saturated with a liquefied paraffin wax oil mixture under high heat and high pressure to protect against thorns. And briers I I'm not going to be dragging my laptop back through a lot of thorns briars but still yes. Oh moly Oh man. I'm GonNa just put this aside and tonight when I have free time I'm going to put on my jammies. Put a fire in the fireplace. I'm trying to look away 'cause glass of brandy and browse not making very quiet. I'm just look look my backpacks me to Messenger. But I've yet to find spin around and they present you with your bag of the day a giant. I have a lot of pockets and so going from one to another is surgery. There's like a lot but it's like a purse for a woman. It's a you. Don't want to merce immerse. This is my bag right now but it's not excavations enough to satisfy my needs but the this is why this is why put things into like little sub bag so that when. I do switch from this. I can just grab accurate here. 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"Support for boston. Public radio comes from quest diagnostics. Many people put off routine checkups during the pandemic which could lead to greater health concerns. Lab testing can provide the insights needed to help manage your health. Quest returned to care dot com ahead on boston. Public radio star with your thoughts on a widening. Divide geographically and politically over vaccinations. Covert infections. Then the corona virus also laid bare massachusetts social inequities wykeham as had high rates of cases debts because of disparity baking or institutions. Health equity taskforce's boston's state have released plans for more equitable kobe recovery. That goes well beyond just healthcare. Mike mccurry sits on both fast forces will join us. Why gras is old so second. That's because the ducks and geese. It comes from our offense force fed to fatten up their livers but the latest move to address. Animal cruelty are culinary habits cars from parisian startup which cultivates that flavor for tries to in a laugh. No fatty ducts required. Only does it benefit. The birds also uses less land and water resources. Who a corby kummer will join us to discuss. All that and more ahead boston. Public radio eighty nine seven. Gp gbh much. Can you're listening to the radio. Eighty nine seven. Gp h good. Monday morning to jim me too and you know if i wasn't driven nuts by people commenting on the weather. I would comment on. The weather's luckily i am so. I won't today's to america today to america's oranges defined by the have nots. They're delineated by those who've been vaccinated and those who have not the death rate from cova. Do you know this is rising steadily for the first time in months with a resurgence of cases. That's being called a pandemic of the unvaccinated. According to the cdc crowbars cases are up nearly seventy percent in a week marjorie hospitalizations up thirty six percent about fifty. Six percent of the us population has received at least one dose of the vaccine but in many counties that numbers under twenty percent despite the fact the vaccine is free and widely available and now with the delta variants spreading quickly health officials are advising people to mask up and places where cases are on the rise. We're taking your calls asking you. Is it not time to intervene. Should all states do away with for example religious exemptions as is being contemplated on beacon hill. Is it time for all businesses the mandate vaccines how about state and local governments to if you're among the vaccine hesitant as the rising death toll among the unvaccinated. Have you rethinking your reluctance. I sure as hell hope it does. Eight seven seven three zero one eight hundred nine seven. I don't know what people need to hear to say that a mandate is necessary. Nfc's right wing. Politicians are worried. It's going upset. Donald trump if they mandate vaccine like. What are the cnn. Just said alabama's thirty three point seven percent vaccinate florida slaney roof now to any business. Why any business corporation. Whatever it is is not mandating every employee. Can you explain to me. Why joe biden is not saying every federal employees and the jury. Why charlie baker is not saying every public facing stadium. It's ridiculous and the only people that have excuses for this those very very small numbers of people who have such compromised health conditions. That's it that's it but says always trashing fox news. Let me celebrate them. Aden colony or staff members keeps track of the right wingers reporting and fox news in the morning. Fox and friends Steve doocy his dismissed the anti vaccine conspiracy theories and is urging of yours of fox and friends get the covert next vaccine because it will save your life so kudos to the morning show. Unfortunately evening shows of scott tucker. Carlson laura ingraham have not been so clear about that but between them and facebook. There was this really upsetting story about a family of seven mother. Father and five kids on the mother was pregnant she was she lost the baby because she covers a pregnant woman which is really a disaster and she was on ventilator and her husband was interviewed and he said well we thought it was just experimental so the entire family get cova mother father and all five of the kids and they lost the unborn child and and he said well. We thought it was experiment. Where'd you relevant facebook. so incredibly. You know it would really help if we get. These things finally approved all the way so people can stop talking about them in beyond the emergency. Use authors is an catechism. It's just an excuse at is just an standing is standing. Got away with mandating. Vaccines remember about a month ago. Doing this thing with eastern is northeastern mandating. Everything the colleges or eight seven seven three zero one. Eight hundred seventy two questions on the table even if you're against vaccine mandates a few months ago when you thought things were under control of his delta very with his to america's thing are you at least open to changing your position on it and number two. How about this religious exemption. There is a great globe editorial this morning about it and it mentions connecticut removed it's religious exemption earlier this year maine. Voters upheld the repeal of that state exemption york got rid of it in two thousand nine and they also go on to say that a decent percentage of people who claim a religious exemption. Don't have religious reasons at all because there is no religious exemption as capitalist pointed out to us many many times no religion. I mean vaccines have come much later than than the three major religions and even some other religious christian science which is not clean keen on medical intervention makes exceptions and and it is fine. Just like it's fine to go to the dentist to get a toothache if you and scientists it there's no legitimacy this religious claiming i don't know why the legislature massachusetts is letting people get away with this by the way we had terrible outbreak. My kids elementary school a few years. Back of chickenpox. Because is this story points out. We can talk about her immunity massachusetts in massachusetts done very. But this doesn't mean that there's immunity in school districts or individual towns and in my town of brookline with a lot of people who i guess for. Whatever reason think they're above getting vaccines caused a chicken box. And it's one thing to get chicken pox when you're a baby or you're a little kid. It is a much more serious thing to get chicken pox when you're older and the scarring and That can happen to your skin and really dire consequences so it was outrageous so the numbers eight seven seven three zero one eight hundred nine seven and i know you guys are saying you and marjorie have been on this mandate bandwagon for ever. We have but things have changed and i really. I just other than sort of stubborn political stupidity. I don't get this not also repeat what you say. All the time in art caplan says all the time it's not like this that thing is revolutionary like on the school front. They've been mandating certain vaccines forever. Why can't all the schools mandate. I'm not talking about higher ed. By the way that to. Why can't all the k. Through twelve mandate that. These kids have vaccine. Well it's it's just. It's it's just disgraceful. I don't understand it at all but listen listen to. This is email from dennis all capital letters. I guess he's worked up. No job no mask. No mandates no problem. No government scare tactics. My body not yours dennis. The problem is is not about your body. You don't have a right to give other people a fatal illness. That is the bottom line. Dennis you do not have right kind. Ross hills other people or put them in the hospital or cause women to lose babies because they are infected by you. You're dennis if you wouldn't mind. Just please call us at eight. Seven seven three zero one. Eight hundred seventy. Because i mean. This is disrespectfully as it sounds. But maybe i do. No one can be this stupid this far into this pandemic to believe it's all about you. It is not by it if you want to die from the damn thing and by the way as long as i don't have to pay more because what the cost is going to be on your health insurance. I'm fine with that. That's your decision. But as marjorie said the question is what. An unvaccinated no mass. No vaccination is no job is going to do to somebody else. Do you not understand that. I just don't i don't get it anyway. Get back to the basic founding here of the country. You're you you don't have a right. You're not you're not free to hurt somebody else there's boundaries there and and you're not say yes you are not free to cause someone else to get a possibly lethal disease that is not what the constitution or anything else around here is supposed to be people just scared. I mean why. Charlie baker doesn't say that that no just fear. You're so wrong. What is it that it is political. Libertarian stuff runamuck. It's fear of blowback from people like dennis era physical. Yeah no we. State cops don't have mandates regular cops. Donald managed people in nursing homes as mandates prison. Garth is just insane. Tina from texas. Thank you welcome her you so i live in a town. Like hundred people in wichita falls texas and my. I'm going to be a senior in high foe to. That's usually talk by voice. Tell us tell us the name of the town one more time. Tena wichita falls great to hear from you. I'm sorry go ahead. Tina owning your sign. Yeah so in my town. My school district has basically said that they're going to encourage vaccinations but not mandate it and then and they said that if people like if students who are vaccinated are exposed to a covert nineteen positive case then. They won't have to be quarantined but students who are not vaccinated will have to be quarantined and parents and my town kind of blew up at that. They fed then. Why are you giving more benefits to those people who are vaccinated unfair. This was equal. And they're saying that they're going to home school their kids because unfair like inequity or whatever and so basically anything that we definitely need mandate action nations but especially when people like in my town who were only like thirty percents accident. It and i'm surrounded by people. Yeah and i'm surrounded by people who are saying that p Have you heard of sudden death. Aviv from the vaccine. They don't know where it's coming from from people who just don't believe in maxim nations. I believe that they're going to riot. And like i just don't think it's reasonable or even inconceivable and and pounds like mine. We love hearing from you. Stay in touch. And i'm really glad and as almost every time you call you're on the right side of a really important issue. Tina thanks eight seven seven. Three zero one eighty nine seventy. I'm also almost having a physical reaction to this. I mentioned to you and chelsea this morning. I was listening to sports radio a on friday. And you know i sorta should take back the comment. I i made to the email. Or how stupid can you be. I was listening to a couple of the sports. Talk show host and these. They're conservative leaning but not rabid. You know they're not tucker carlson types talking about how the science is unresolved. And what are they cite. Whenever any person wants to say the sciences unresolved well fouled. She was against my before he was easy because he was against mass at one stage of the virus and then he realized that was necessarily later. Things changed the sciences. Not if you get the vaccine. The likelihood of you dying is close to zero. Almost every single person who is dying is an unvaccinated. Getting seriously ill is an unvaccinated per act wrecked but we are seeing these breakthrough contagious province. Them like in providence. From dying from it. But i think most of us would like to avoid getting covert so the idea that you. It's no problem. I mean i get these emails to it. What are you worried about your vaccinate. You don't have to worry about anything. well you do. Your chances are that you are not going to get. The chances are almost certain that you will not die or get seriously ill. But i don't think you have a right to infect me. I guess or my children or anybody else is just like i said just crazy peter. Harwich pay good morning. How do you i'm a political moderate. I believe in ecology and pro choice. And it's interesting to see a political reconciliation here and really any loss of life is a to all of us on earth. I a firm believer however that there is a political act going on here between the right and the left where where we're really trying to fit ourselves into a particular mold and you know if if one is pro choice once pro choice right. No no actually not right. Actually peter not right. Being pro choice is the same thing. We talked about two minutes ago when your choice affects you and b doesn't go beyond that is perfectly fine say affects you and your fetus. If we're talking about abortion but this in your body and there will be no one else affected and the and the fetus choice. Doesn't you can't make a choice for me or somebody else. And you are making that choice by being pro-choice so it's i mean really peter i mean you really believe. It is the choice of an injury individual to decide whether they're going to potentially affect another human being. Peter can make that choice and never come out of this house. what's up. I'm sorry. Peter god if i have a choice to for example not vaccinate and indeed wear a mask and expose myself or not expose myself or expose others to myself. That is my choice. I if if i don't wanna get the this awful disease i'm gonna vaccinate. I did vaccinate. However i is it up to me to mandate what other people do for their medical care. If it's going to affect you if it's peter if you wanna drive a hundred miles down the main street in harwich and you say listen. I'm willing to pay a parking ticket. If if i am a speeding ticket. I'm to pay the two hundred and fifty dollars or whatever it is so it's my choice while the problem is i may be on that street. Somebody with a kid may be on that street. And so you know respectfully peter. It's this this is not what in my opinion. What choices about. Peter thank you though saying before. Is that if people like peter vaccinated so it's not relevant to him but if people don't want to get vaccinated jeff stay in their house but even stand their house if they got children or parents or grandparents mean if you want to live like a hermit never go to the grocery store and never go to. Cvs never go to the park with anybody. Your house right and have no contact with another human being. Then do what you want by the way when you when you and i were both mentioning a minute ago that if you're vaccinated the worse that happens is get you know. Minor illness or you don't even array symptomatic. Probably we should say while. The numbers are incredibly low. I don't want this to discourage anybody from getting vaccinated. Did we just read last week. That seventy nine a breakthrough infections lead to death in massachusetts meeting some people who've vaccinated do die from the vaccine so you're putting us in far fewer numbers but even us at risk. Well i'm sure if you have if you've been vaccinated but you have other health conditions or some fluke of nature something. I mean there's nothing there's no guarantee there's nothing perfect here. The vaccine is ninety. Five percents effective There's the five percent that are that are out there nicole rockport. Thank you for calling nicole. Hi jim marjorie. Calling talked to me So i was calling. Because i waited fourteen hours to testify before the joint committee on public health last week to talk about. I know you talk about religious exemptions for vaccines and even tracking vaccine exemptions in massachusetts which. We don't do a good job of doing. And i'm just decide myself that our legislature and our governor are allowing these kind of sharing I have a child who had a heart transplant in and he's been multiple times chickenpox from unvaccinated The why is what marjorie was saying about this break. Jerry scary nicole. Why did you wait four. Wait fourteen hours just because the sign up sheet was so long because one of the things more than i've talked about through the years is one of the great things if you've never testified at a state house hearing at the legislature. You could be first in line if you're a real person and even when you're about to go testify every single legislature. Who comes to you. So why do we pass. That's my understanding right. Coal hundreds of people showed up. The anti vaccine. Folks are very organized huge social media presence stacked hearing so i listen to fourteen hours of garbage sorry And i was it was. It was awful. And i waited last year when he came before the committee. Before it got put out the pastor's study we waited in the state house for about ten hours. The one feel so strongly about this that you're willing to wait half a day to testify. Turn had a heart transplant. And that means that you can't receive. Why vaccines so he can't receive anamar. He can't redo the chicken pox vaccine. And i would like for him to be safe at his of course So he's been exposed a couple of times in chicken pox that means going into children's getting iv's for our waiting to see if he gets it and it just doesn't seem fair that people should be able to be used a religious exemption has just say just can say hey it's against my religion that's it and people admitted in the hearing that they didn't ever religious state that didn't want to call. I think we have to just be honest here. These people are jerks. I mean that's all there is to it. Listen to what you just said that because people won't get the chicken pox vaccine your son who who has a serious health condition has gone and i've been in the hospital and can't live a life because the one hundreds of people who showed up at the state house to testify against us. That's what they are. They're selfish and they're jerks. I mean i think we have to stop dancing around. This finally goes out to you nicole. That's a really difficult situation to be in and good luck to your son. We're talking about a resurgence across the virus on the unvaccinated. We're taking your calls asking what it will take to win over the vaccine resistant. That conversation continues on eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. Looking back to boston. Public radio. Jim brady and marjorie again. If you're sitting in we're talking about the krona virus backslide cases of tripled over the last three weeks hospitalizations and deaths arising among unvaccinated people. We're taking your calls assing. What's going to take to encourage the vaccine resistant to get their shots. If you're among the unvaccinated why holding back is access. Is it simply hesitancy. And how about these mandates at margin. I've been talking about forever even if you were against them early on. Is it not ten time to at least entertain the notion. You'll even charlie baker's against them told us a couple of months ago. When you talked about people in congregate care marjorie s question about that. He did say. I don't have as precise words in front of me at this time. Meaning let's see how that goes so your mother or father grandparents. Whoever it is in a nursing home has to wait until we. It's the right time we haven't spoken a few weeks. So i don't know by the way in a spirit of full disclosure. I think we have to say we work at a place that is not mandating vaccines for its workers so disagree with the. I'm stanton i just think it's important for people to hear that. Eight seven seven three zero one nine seven. My head is gonna pop mary ellen. Just just email. This survey from san of santa fe. Wow she says do these people not remember that. They were arrested convictions. If you purposely infected someone with as i guess we could crack down on the gay guys. We couldn't crackdown on everybody out by the way speaking of and funding somebody else the correct something. We said the trendy last week vis-a-vis cova following all the stories about the olympics. The american olympic gymnasts. We don't know yet which who's who dropped out but in addition there's some piece of good news. Despite the krona virus remember we mentioned no free condoms. Time in fact. I was wrong. I read this morning hundred and sixty thousand free condoms. so it's not quite as dire as can have kind of a full body mask but certain areas could be left open so you can use soup but it's got a little slugging it. That's what that's right. That's what they're saying audrey in boston. You're next on. That's quite an image. The boston public radio audrey. Thank you for calling. We appreciate hi. I'm just very upset that you're taking this. One sided stance. I would like to see that. You report People who have died from the vaccine people who have had miscarriages Because of the vaccine and people who've gotten sick and a not getting to the court financially from the vaccination as volunteers and module be mentioned. Fuck new audrey. We lost you. Pick up where you said. Marjorie mentioned fox news please. We lost your contact order. I hope you didn't lose you. Andre the lines are full but please call back. We like to talk to you. Since you're we're gonna put you on hold and try to grab you. Let me just say audrey response. We can report what you want us to report. Even though you're not gonna like the outcome is the science. The facts are that while of course there are. Some people have gotten sick from not aware of miscarriages linked to by the way i'm linked to women who have gotten extremely sick because it's more dangerous to get cova when you're pregnant but the the reality ordering is that almost everybody who's dying now. Almost everybody is unvaccinated in fact the mantra from the feds. This is great because it's really bumper sticker like here's the latest kobe. Catchphrase from the biden administration. I you'll hear the president himself than the head of the cdc alinsky from mass general and white house press secretary. Jen psaki only have is among unvaccinated. There is a clear message that is coming through this is becoming. A pandemic of the unvaccinated doctor lansky sat on an earlier briefing. Today this is really becoming a pandemic of the unvaccinated. It's very clever. I hope it affects somebody. It's totally agra new. Audrey again we urge you to call back. Lines are full but we hope you get through. We'd love to continue the commerce point out that there's been some clever mixing of numbers Where there are people nursing homes who were quite elderly in quite ill Who got the vaccine and then died a few weeks later. It wasn't necessarily because of the vaccine it was because they were in dire health straits to begin with. But there's been some Some clever accounting. I guess to make the argument and the other direction david car. Thank you for calling. Hello dave hey good morning guys longtime many time. This is a very touchy situation for me. A buddy and i grew up in california and buddy and i were going to the gym and the next day we were supposed to go. 'cause i said hey i'm not feeling so good and he says yeah. I know we have chicken pox so we both got chicken pox from the gym people sweating on the on the equipment. Now that i'm over fifty. I'm getting shingles pretty much every other year. And i know there's a vaccination for it and i'm gonna get down As my doctor has told me but what the piggyback on it what really bugs me is. I have some friends I was in the restaurant. Business the chef for for many years and I've got friends that are servers. That are you know. Trump lovers dump the vaccine. Not you know same thing that the guy said earlier. You know my body choice. I'm not going to do it that it up. But they're going to work in restaurants and busy restaurants not wearing masks and it just blows my mind it absolutely just shakes my soul to the core. I just can't believe that people as you said earlier. They're just that stupid. And i don't get it. I really don't understand how selfish people are that. They don't care that they could be killing. People even know it. You dave wipe the one amendment. If i can make years obviously we only know a limited number of chefs and restaurateurs particularly. Those people have been kind enough to come on our show while not all the mer mandating vaccines for customers. I know very few who were not mandating vaccines and even after vaccines in many cases masking for servers and cooks and others who work in restaurants. I'm not denying that. What you said is true in some limited cases but i think most restaurant tours are acting pretty responsibly. Dave thank you for your call. We really appreciate it. Listen to this. From jeff i have to weigh in on this anti vaccines and their selfishness if these attitudes the inability to do the right thing and not to galvanize for the common good if they prevail during world war two of the west would be speaking japanese from the east peace. East coast would be speaking german to live in a functioning society. There are certain obligation sacrifices that need to be practice for the benefit of everyone. So can i repeat the thing that i mentioned that you and art say all the time about school vaccines so in light of the fact that that you can't go to most public k. Through twelve without vaccine against accent. Why are the people whose kids are in k. Through twelve who were against this particular vaccine but have done the others gonna say. I'm not going to send my kid to school. If schools did the right thing which a lot of them most of them are not and mandate the vaccines. Is this one different from all the ones that came out. I think the reason we're talking about chicken. Pox is a lot of people in there and they're generally Upper middle class white people. I guess they think that their kids shouldn't have to do it. Everybody else's kids do because of the tiny tiny chance that you might become sick for the vaccine from the vaccine. So they're trying to get away with that. Not do i mean we had and also have certain religious groups remember. The big breakout in brooklyn among acidic jews. Because they were not big on the the copen vaccines member. That i do so i. I guess there's certain people listening christian. Before you go into last. Kobe of time for i want to get back to audrey for a second because we lost her audrey few send us and email to be pr w gbh dot org and tell us what facts. We are failing to disclose. If you're right. I promise you source it them. By the end of the show we will read your email again Not made up things but facts that you believe. We are not fairly retelling liz. I'm sorry to interrupt you. Welcome to the show taking my call. Sure so i am eight months pregnant and not vaccinated and i feel horribly. Guilty very conflicted about it The cases are pretty low. Where i live right now. so monitoring them very carefully. My husband's vaccinated all my we have a two year old. All of her grandparents are vaccinated. We're very careful Double mask whenever i go out i be as careful possibly can My only only hesitancy is just. We don't have any real information for what comes after Like the delivery you know I don't believe that it causes miscarriage or infertility or anything like that. That's all just conspiracy But i'm just worried that you know somewhere you know a year down the line. They're going they. Oh well also if you got vaccinate while you're pregnant something you know. I have no idea just something. I've got bad health things eighty clearly. What's your doctor was. What's your doctor. Say because we're in a you know relatively low low case area right now It's they didn't tell me not to get it at all They didn't say it was totally completely necessary. right now and i was also just diagnosed with just asian diabetes as well which i feel like is now going to put me at even higher risk. So my plan is to just keep an eye on the cases and if and when they start to go up again where i live we'll probably get vaccinated but that's just my reason for not being vaccinated yet and i do. I'm very with people about it and we see them like you know. I'm not just going to keep my five masks on and stay six feet away. Just 'cause i'm you know. I am careful i do care about it obviously Just if embarrassing. We'd have to talk about honestly. I wish everybody would get vaccinated and i feel really selfish for not doing it but i feel like my selfishness is slightly more justified venison. Understand because i think a lot of pregnant women were concerned. Just like just like you were liz. I hope everything goes well. What is that the dangerous much more not getting vaccinated vaccinated but obviously. I hope everything goes well with you and just be careful and good luck. We we have to break marjorie. Okay thank you very much. Remind me that coming up. Coming up boston's covered. Recovery taskforce caused the city and resonance to increase racism awareness. Mike mccurry joints of that conversation and more. He's next on eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. Welcome back moslem publicradio. Jim brady and marjorie and boston. And massachusetts own covered nineteen health inequities. Taskforce's have released their pandemic recovery plans urging the city and the state identifying dismantle the root causes of inequity in order to eliminate health disparities in our communities. Michael curry chairs the state task force. He sits on the city force. He's online talking about this. And related matters. Michael courses president and ceo of the masters as league of community. Health centers is also a member of the national lacey pe- board of directors and chair of the board advocacy and policy committee. Michael good to talk to you as always to be back. Hey michael we've talked a lot about vaccines and mandating vaccines. And i think you're not in favor talked a lot. How but because of years of racist treatment in the medical community that many people are very suspicious of this vaccination but as we watch the cases rise around the country. We're lucky are here. In massachusetts most of us are vaccinated. Isn't it getting out when we reached the enough is enough phase and say if you're a nursing home worker year front phase worker. You're putting other people in danger. You can't go to work if you're not going to be vaccinated. Yeah i mean it's a tough question is before any employer and any employee right now And i think just even representing the state's fifty two health centers. They're dealing with this as well. You know from a healthcare perspective if you are healthcare's tusha hospital mintel facility Health center you know. There's a a rational basis upon which you may decide to mandate that your employees Get vaccinated because of course implications are bigger than just you. It's about the patients who walk in your door and they'll figure that piece out but there's this stuff to figure out in terms of whether you can mandate the salon report that they've been vaccinated right whether they communicate that to you as their employer. And then there's the other legal issues around whether you can mandate that people actually get a vaccine So a lot of that stuff is being discussed. We exactly a quite frankly even here at the mass leaking is we're convening all the health centers in the state for a illegal training on sort of what the implications are that being said. I do believe we. We run the same risk. We ran in testing right when people are thinking about mandating testing and now mandating vaccines whether you can terminate someone if they don't get a vaccine there's data that shows that does disparately impact communities of color. Just the disease. It's disparately impact community color in terms of economics the the downturn in the economy the live furloughs layoffs. We don't need to now compound that with Making people situation's worse because they are distrustful legitimately so and therefore not at the point that they want to take back in. And now you're gonna lose your job now. You are also going to be disadvantaged. Because of it i understand i mean. This is a lot to balance But we don't want to make those who've been closest to the disease even worse in their conditions by terminating people in well i hear that michael the flip side which. I'm sure you can appreciate is. We do make things worse for them. In another way when we don't mandate vaccines cause they may be standing next to working next to in line next to somebody who is chosen to get unvaccinated and they may be put at risk so i mean this is the no way to discount what you're saying but there is a with plateaued. Essentially i mean we're doing great comparatively speaking at least overall we'll talk about some of the details in massachusetts but essentially we've plateaued in this country and what we're gonna end up having to america's no yeah. I think that's the wrist. But again i don't want to blame the victims right and if we do think about victims is historical victims are abuse and neglect. And not even not even just talking just gigi and henrietta lacks and all these other stories that people have now come to understand about our history and how black and brown people been mistreated on health care system but current day examples. Right you don't you don't have to look far and why to get a black brown for immigrant. People to tell you stories about our healthcare system. Failed him so we've lost. Entrust so i think one we have to embrace the fact that Folks distrust for reasoning to its risks that each individual person accepts which is i don't get vaccinated and there's a variant like the delta or future variants right because that's a likelihood of possibility that i may be one who gets sick and potentially gets infected is hospitalized and potentially dis And then also means that if i get infected opened me infecting other people who've also chosen not to get the vaccine It is not new. I just came from new york this weekend. And i was by how much the new york media radio television is all about messaging. It's about latinos but african americans about russians about all those communities. Be having a voice to say. Hey i got it. I was hesitant. Here's why got it. And here's what i can now feel some comfort in protecting my family members. Let's find a way to message it right. Instead of penalize people does that mean. We're not messaging right here in your mission. No i think we are in a in the direction of doing that. Just was in was impressed. You know and of course some here. I'm in the meeting. Listening to medium on with you all the time and marjorie and i don't know if i've been that inundated by messaging as i was in new york in two days i was actually example mike without quoting verbatim. Give us a feel about what they're doing that we could do more of. Yes so you know. i'm a. I'm a hip hop radio person. So you know. I'm listening to the ls in hot ninety seven while i'm in new york soon as i got cross connecticut and i can tune in to ls hot ninety seven. I'm on radio and then god You know We lost bismarckian a hip hop artists. This weekend so there's a lot of people listening to it. Tributes to bismarck he but i say that to say they had common folks like my cousins and my uncles folks who just don't have these amazing careers or they may not always speak the king's english but they got on. They said hey. I was hesitant. I didn't trust it. And i decided to do it. And now i feel like i'm i'm i'm gonna live you know i'll survive or protecting my mom or my dad or my grandma and i just those messages resonated with me weekend. I was extremely impressed with the new. Messaging doesn't mean we're not doing it here. It just means that for me. Those messages were were penetrating. When i heard him in new york. Are we talking about here for a minute. And people of color. As i know we crossed the fifty percent threshold with black residents of the state and latino residents of the state obviously far below white vaccination numbers but far above the vaccination numbers for people of color around the rest of the country were ranking quite well. But you know ranking is not the end of the story actual numbers of the end of the story. Are we plateauing in that piece of our population as well here in massachusetts. I mean we're we're we're in that period where it's becoming more difficult Which is why think h department where the health health services through the secretary of really tried to put some resources on the ground. You know an end to your point jim. I think you know we tend to tout ourselves being arrested head to head of the rest of the country. Fifty three percent plus black residents fifty percent of hispanic residents. And if you go across the country that number can dip as low as twenty six percent and thirty two percent respectively that should concern us nationally that we're not their initiative concern as locally. That means that as you said earlier with one of your earlier caller's ninety seven percent of the infections and in in in The impact diseases now borne by people have not been vaccinated and the messaging from a Rachelle linski and e and all of those echoed that So this disease is now being worn by those who are not taking we have to then confront that and many of them are black and brown. And that's why it's become my drive and for fredrika williams at whittier street. Who's been champing this issue in south and liz walker and gloria white ham. And there's a whole caravan of us were beating the drums and hitting the streets to try to get this messaging out. you know. Michael are you don't of your great qualities is if i may Step back for a second. You don't miss an opportunity to credit other people doing good work. I don't think we've ever had you on through the years re didn't praise others. I could use a little bit of that quality marjorie. Michael has inspired you. Because i've noticed maybe much better. Maybe we can thank michael kirk for that. Hey one less thing about mandates. Michael kara we we talk with our listeners. Really about religious exemptions in the schools and that there's several hundred people most of them against vaccines were up at the state house. Lobbying if you waited at all on that because it does seem that they weren't vaccines around the time of Jesus christ as far as i know or even the you know the muslims or the lao church laude states you know saints. Rather the mormons or christian scientists even give exemptions is up bogus we. That's a tough question. You know i try to not wait too much into the religious waters But i will say this. I think you know all this comes down to education right. There was some things in our historical With real history historically were religion. You know black folks weren't equal religion. That's people practice. inequities right. They were gods mandate that some people were superior to others. So i think we gotta be careful. What religion religion sometimes can keep us from care and ultimately we need to penetrate into those communities that are resistant whether it's because of historical abuse and neglect or because of race or faith and say hey. This is about saving lives in until we do that. Then we'll see even more people and this is all historic man. You go back to the spanish full in one thousand nine hundred thousand. People were resistant to disease as well. So it is maybe human nature but we can do something about that education. So michael kara. You and i spoke on television last week with one of your colleagues from the north shore about this health equity state health equity taskforce that you co-chaired and we didn't touch on. I know there's a boston sort of companion to this that you sit on as well as i said in the lead to the show the the recommendations out of this group you co-chaired for health equity go well beyond healthcare care to get there. Could you give a summary of what your findings were and how hopeful you are some. If not all of them become reality. Yes so you know jim. And margie after digress recitation. There real quick. And so i was out about two weeks ago at a restaurant bar in boston. I was just really reconnecting with friends. Hadn't in a year and someone tapped me on the shoulder and said hey. I want to introduce you to somebody. Who's a friend of mine. She nicole earlier and she said i wanted to to his miki corbett now. If the two of you remember who gives miki corbett is. She's the woman who found was one of the team that found the maternal vaccine. Young african american woman just moved to boston to teach it the harvard school of public health. Now his story. I was a groupie like you would think. I just met a momma though. I told her. I said i always tell you. Story does a young black girl somewhere in roxbury your south side of chicago e saint louis. That's meant to find a cure for cancer. But we'll never know her and that's how interconnected and interdependent. We are because we don't invest in our children in terms of the pipeline education and opportunity and she epitomizes that when a young black girl becomes a black woman that she can actually solve some of the deepest darkest challenges of our time. I stayed out to say these health equity reports are essentially about that that we have a history in this country that It's no surprise that whether it's a natural disaster or a terrorism attack it will be born differently by people who are poor who are black and brown. Why because they're poor because they're essential workers because they're financially unstable because they're undereducated because they're incarcerated all those underlying issues new accident there are embedded in our history and they are the reality for many across country so these reports both the state equity report. Shoutout to dr ceo from the cambridge health alliance co-chaired the state report along with many members of the task force. Who really dug in for a year doing this work a year with the legislative members and produced a blueprint for health equity and talk about building a cabinet level secretary of equity somebody who is accountable accountable for ensuring equity across all the secretary is calling the governor calling the legislature the house and senate to really advance that because we need an equity. Bill jim you i think about. And you've been around and you talked about chapter fifty eight health reform in massachusetts. We talked about the many iterations to eighty eight three zero five to twenty four. We now need the next iteration to be a health equity bill. That really moves the needle on all the underlying food insecurity housing and education equity all contributing disparate health outcomes and the city's report health equity now report released on july twelve echo. That state report mike. When i was asking about this the other night. I felt like i had a gum moment. I said when i was reading Summaries of your state report about halfway through all of a sudden said. This is sort of a prescription for reparations for lack of better expression and you didn't use the word but you laughed when i a responded not derisively. But you laughed. It is is it not as just reparations by another name no yet yeah. I do a presentation or reparations. Jim that's why. I kind of laughed is because i do that. Presentation one of our jewish temples was weighing in on the sheila jackson. Bill reparations bill in congress lashing asked me do presentation and in that presentation i talked about homestead act. What was slavery. what is the homestead act. The southern homestead act was the new deal of the raw deal. Is i call. It would have been these economic investments in communities that move white americans from the lower class the middle class the upper class those trains that quite frankly did not invite black and brown folks onto those trains and therefore didn't get that opportunity. I say that to say up out. This is not directly that these health equity bills are really about how to reposition. Mr americans in a way that will make them healthier. And some of those are reparations. Type proposals right is about economic insecurity. How you invest in businesses in black and brown communities that then hire and promote and then built other entrepreneurs how do you deal with food insecurity and housing insecurity home ownership of yes. There is very much implications for reparations. But i actually would love a massachusetts boston. National real focus in on. What is reparations. Because people didn't just pull themselves up by their bootstraps government. Pull them up whether you're white black or other. It is our history that if people invest in you or the gi bill was an investment in. G is that screened off african americans and many of them were dishonorably discharged. The new deal was a raw deal. Because that's where we born out of those policies were redlining where millions of americans got repositions with homeownership and opportunity in education. Too many black folks did not have that opportunity because the systems barred them from access to those opportunities. We need to have an honest conversation. I just think we're ready to do it. You know one thing know michael. So many of the of the schools in urban centers are in. America say are majority kids collar. Boston is certainly one of them and boston. Spends a lot of money in the schools Budget goes up dramatically. You know from year to year. It seems like the schools could really change everything if there were if kids coming out of the public schools and inner cities were really better better educated. But it's not gonna be tinkering around the edges is going to be almost a total total but a real revolution how we teach kids and i don't think we ever talk about that now. I mean we have a lot of systems in this country that we're tethered to at our criminal justice system. We're tethered to our education system. We're tethered to it. So what happens is when you need real systemic change when you need to be transformational. We can't do it because we're so tied to the wind do things. Our education systems a great example. You know i'm a. I'm a fan of our organized labor in in education with the boston teacher's union mass teachers association and the rest of those folks a fan of the education and quality education advocates. Were walking across this country really demanding more for my educational systems. Whether they'd be private public quasi-public whatever you wanna call Some of those other entities but the reality is we need to do better. And the way we've done it is not providing an opportunity for black and brown youth and it disadvantages kids across this country. I have three boys. It is the thing that keeps me up often thinking that i'm giving them an education but it's not going to get them into harvard. It's not going to get them into some prestigious schools. And we know that you know if you get into a prestigious prep school then you get into a prestigious college. Then you get into prestigious grad school then you get into the c. suite. Unfortunately that's our pathway even though that's a flawed pathway is been the pathway that really is barred black and brown boys and girls from those places michael. Thank you for your time as always appreciate it anytime. Thank you michael. 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So we're all freaking out or at least i'm freaking out about what's going on the west coast and the rain in the east coast and what happened in europe etc. Some good news on food waste and climate change from hannaford supermarkets. Well first of all hannaford had its guiding stars program. They have been a leader in nutrition. What is guiding stars. It's a whole bunch of attributes of what goes into your food and whether it's healthy or not so they launched a whole series of national supermarkets grind to give shoppers the same kind of guidance and now states are taking this into their own hands and they are saying If if the feds are doing enough on food waste we're gonna help ourselves. And they are passing bills who four restaurants and big food service institutions to donate food rather than throwing it away long overdue and a great idea to pass these bills state-by-state so so tell people why food waste to deal with. Climate change has the methane. I think right that's right. I forgot the league. Like the second or third of most of contributing we know about how burks remember the burbs marjorie. It's that end up. As being huge methane reducers and very bad beef is bad. We are constantly told because of a cattle-raising that's true but food waste itself when it goes into landfills emit all kinds of methane you producer largest amount of methane emissions in the us seventeen percent after petroleum production. An animal gas those burks and manure so it's hugely important also doesn't it make intuitive sense to donate rather than throwing it away. Did you just disappear. Oh there you are. Hi corby nice. See you hear corby is the guess. This may be obvious. But is the reason why hannaford is an outlier in that industry is because it costs a lot more to do with. They're doing or no. You know. I did a whole report about the different. Buying guide systems and supermarkets have in place. I have never come to a good explanation of why and avert better and ahead of others accepted. It's a good new england company with good values. And i think we should claim credit for our new england influence. But i don't know why other supermarkets. I do know that when you have a rating system on the shelf as to what you are saying to. Your customers is good for their health you will. The manufacturers will raise holy. Hell if you're implying that something is bad for them and so the way everybody does. These is good better best. you know. There's no bad in all of these systems but the idea that a supermarket chain heiress enough. Say we really want to help nudge you to the better for you products. Which is what a consumer packaged. Good companies call these the better for you. Products is already really progressive. So we're going to give you an opportunity because you don't have nearly enough to talk about the tufts university free to friedman school of nutrition science and policy because it appears the dean is on advisory council for report that we wanna talk about which shows that the total health and climate consequences. No surprise but i hadn't thought about it. Much of the american food system is three times as much as the food itself so inbetween praising the dean and your school could you tell us what the underlying reporters or do not have time for the. I see your little player ham off okay. The dita's doriot was a ferried. He is one of the principal. Authors of this report. Funded by the rockefeller dacian. And so so. It's a long circulating idea in the right minded food world of which we are the heads and that is true cost accounting a guy patrick. I can't remember his last name. In england started the whole institute about cost accounting. It has caught on here and rockefeller has given it real heft by studying. What is through cost accounting. So what does it mean. It means if you look at the cost of mcdonald's burger and you add in the healthcare costs of treating diabetes and other obesity linked chronic food illnesses. You'd start get an idea of what it costs. The healthcare system and environmental pollution and waste from all that food waste and methane emissions. We were just talking about if you factor all of these external costs into the actual cost of mcdonald's burger or a fast food meal. You start to understand the cheap subsidized food is not cheap. And that we're the ones subsidizing it with these elevated healthcare costs and then a great line in here about the layers of subsidies in a sugary beverage but no subsidies for the apple. Guess maybe there's some apps subsidies for the apple but will maybe there aren't but that is one of the great ironies that corn. If i may interrupt as one of the big five crops that receive. Us food subsidies but that every single piece of edible produce is called specialty through all already. It's you know the. Usda hives it off into this weird. This is for those who and tarragon eaters. Yeah i we're off track and so many areas here it's fairly upsetting but here's another piece of good news. I guess for those who feast on foie gras on a regular basis or light that delicacy when they're guarded some snazzy dinner there's there's movement climate wise for grotto and animal cruelty wise to and i can i piggyback on. Jim's little plan to ask you. And jim have a rob pronunciation competition. A no she. She got it absolutely right. John jim challenge. Could you also put out. i can. We'll give me one second. Let me just take a deep breath now. I really can let me start again for gua. Gras across this is pathetic. I know how to pronounce this now. Have i've times fast. Walker off wa- gras. Is that kind of you. Know been humiliated. Explain how you get for gras to begin with. And then tell us what they're doing here so let's go into silk culture meat so we talk all the time about plant mate beyond me impossible foods. Those are made of various kinds of plants. Not animal protein at the same time But but much lower of the development and to market curve very fast on the venture capital curve slow in getting to the market. are these spell. Culture means in which you take a couple of cells of the actual mate you provide lots of growing media really ideal five ways to raise his strong healthy cell media. And you get A a little a wad of me. So there's lots of movement on the burger front. There's movement on the chicken fronts. Singapore has already licensed to sell cultured chicken. But the reason that flog raw is so well suited to this cell. Culturing is it has no texture. It's just g- wishy paid. And why do. I put it so on appetizing. But that's the big challenge of growing cells and culturing it. Trying to get anything like the texture muscle thin us that gnawing at the bone that is so many years off but just being able to grow out a bunch of these. it's usually soft and squishy. That's why it would be in burgers. That's why i've been some kind of pat hatay but this is a had tae it's meant to be solved. So they're doing this with goose livers. Also it's a great first product to try to win customer acceptance and general regulator approval because animal rights activists have successfully blocked the raising and selling flog raw. I in california then it was passed in two thousand nineteen in new york state. New york happens to be a big The chief u. s. producer farmed flog raw. So they are in big trouble. Because as of next year new year's it will be illegal in both new york and california and the european union might be outlawing it and so did you describe yet how they what they do to the goose or the duck or whatever. It is to get them to be foie gras already. Did you say that are running. They put a funnel into their gullit's or down grain. When i say that it is very discussing his animal rights. They're such a lively debate about you know whether sort of like rape accusations the gates really like it seriously. There are a lot of farmers who say you know. This is good for the goose. They developed this capacity to be able to store excess. Fat unbelievable yeah. It is unbelievable but there are these arguments against nonetheless. It is you know a sensibly a cruel thing to stick this thing down and animals all this food down. it's illegal in massachusetts yet to say that. I know you mentioned yours. No not that. I know of it. The only ones. I know that were passed for california new york but those were the two biggest states that produced at a consumer and by the way that they liked it. But this do you know stefan shambaugh. Who's the chef of la ponta. Something in michelin-starred restaurant in france says it also it the criticism for mammals rights groups. He says is misguided. Because maybe this is a variation what you're saying before this over fee feeding is essentially a mimicking of a natural reality centuries ago. He said geese and ducks crossed the mediterranean from egypt. I can't even read. I'm not even gonna read it. It's so ridiculous okay talking to corby kummer by the way. I violate a margin i talked. At least we're honest which is not much about being hypocrites on a variety of front. I would not eat flaw gratin. I have when. I was younger based on the cruelty thing. If they paid me. I mean it is so savage. It is unbelievable but you know we have to think. Where do you draw the line. Because for example the chef dan barber in his third play he's medley and blanche of blue hill He with a food writer. Based in denmark. American went down to Lisa ob and went to a farm in spain that was very good about a raising corn and the best kind of feed for these. Ducks did not or i feed them but gave them very good lavour producing a grain and then lots of it but they got to eat as much as they wanted and then sold delivers what she says could you. The the question is do you believe in eating meat. The you believe in raising animals just for me. It's funny you say that. He says that that goes. I am actually on my way right now to go to eleven madison to go have a three hundred and thirty five dollar for myself of course planting maize because we don't say vegan anymore because planned paces the euphemism for those of us who don't like the term vegan. You know we talked about eleven madison a couple of weeks ago which many people think is the best restaurant in america. I said to you. Three hundred and thirty five dollars is an embarrassment or disgrace. And i have to say you did a fairly good job gorby of convincing me. I think you said something like well. Would you spend three hundred dollars on a great experience doing silence zone. I said yes. How about three hundred and the answer is it's an experience. However is america. Ready on numb. Going up settle the vegan slash plant plant based people. Is america ready for this restaurant. Essentially not partially plant based this. They're going one hundred percent or are they. Not they're going one hundred percent. And it is a gimmick that has won eleven madison park and daniel home. It chef international blissett. This is very hard. It's very hard to get a lot of of liberty as a white male shift period in a fine dining restaurant which is really going out of fashion at all. Never i it very thoughtful. Very good column. No surprise in the globe about wien restaurants in which she talks about chefs in the boston area. Who are doing this. And who would like to do it and douglas williams in of who actually daja meaning. He was an apprentice for wild ten years ago at eleven madison park. Said sure i would do it. I would be interested. I think that an. I think that the could the moment has changed. There's lots of consumer acceptance of this. There's a national chef named matthew kenney who has been doing this for years and is opening up to restaurants in boston. Included anew pizzeria double zero in cambridge. Which jamie you're going to be the first. Try if you haven't already so we had the douglas's with a couple of weeks ago. And i did that. Maggio monday thing here. I think that's what he calls it. Get five different pastas. At least two if not three of which had meat in it and i think what. I hope what douglas is talking about. I am totally. Ullianna is in there too with Tune and they have this. I don't know if it's called a buffet. But they have a a a a vegetarian. Sampler it's on a sampler what's up think flight. Whatever it's called stigma. Thank you very much. I'm sorry i got so upset because i couldn't pronounce fog before i still can't pronounce it. Say thank you so okay. I understand that as a as an alternative and by the way. I'm trying to eat healthier. I'm trying to more plant based kinds of things but i i just don't get the sense that the market as a whole is ready at fine dining kinds of places to do the meatless. Only kind all turn. But i would assume if this guy who is about as high profile as yet in america in the good food area is willing to do it. It's going to trickle down. I mean not just the few examples you picked. You're echoing the great boston. Chef jamie bissonnette of copa who said To deborah it's a great idea but a lot of my unnamed fancy share friends are saying justify to a customer on multi hundred dollar menu that doesn't include protein because protein often denotes luxury. I would say that Venture tech people at an tech people who now have all the money to spend on these absurdly expensive tasting menus. Which we don't call buffets but you know in their way there before him so right go right at and call them. Buffets don't no no buffets. It's a whole language thing. They now believe in vegan they believe in plant-based believe in doing things assembly for the climate. I think among of you people who are willing to pay these stratospheric prices. There will probably be a growing market for these vegan menu by the way. I'm so the reason we're talking about this. I don't know pre said this before you ever. I wrote this great piece in the ball which we meant to credit and and failed to by the way. Doesn't she make the point. That when jamie is jamie business quoted that copa means. Isn't that ham or some such thing. It's colder it's kind. It's kind of caught of poor. That comes from. I think the neck on the shoulder and they'll immediately correct me on this. Yes indeed it is me but he claims and boy. Do i want to go in and try this now. That it's very easy to have a meatless menu at copa. It wasn't when they first open. But this gets to the whole idea of what. We're why we're talking about this. Because daniel home is going to set trends for other restaurants and it is going to trickle down the idea that he's made this a fashionable luxury item. That people want that means douglas williams. Who's you know a fashionable luxury guy and a leader in boston. Now he'll do it then. Jamie incredibly influential will increase the offerings. And it will become much more widespread by the way we're gonna take kohl's in a little while from people about whether or not they are ready for the meatless dining. I just wanted corby if you've investigated whether or not the guy from the what's the what's the name of the guy daniel. What's his name. He's still dating powell. With steve jobs he was yes. Oh oh yes corby. Investigated public is on the record. Yes on the well. Isn't that good. Okay so let's this stunned me. This next story from the counter counter does such great stomachs dot org bank. You that we had some non compete things in brookline recently at a yoga studio of all places. Because you don't make much money yoga studio. This story is talking about biden. As president biden going after non compete clauses which impact even fast food workers. So some poor guy. That was the infamous story about a jimmy. John's non compete controversy. That's fast food joint. I guess where the person couldn't couldn't work within three miles of the jimmy. John's location for two years after leaving the company and is talking about chefs and brewers and other people that are these non compete clauses. I didn't know these even existed in the food business. There's one underlying truth of the entire so-called worker shortage pay people more ryan. These non compete. Clauses are a way of employers not having to pay people more because they essentially this is like Antitrust mcdonald and other large franchises would make their franchisees sino poach agreements so no coach meaning. I'm not going to hire somebody away from three miles or a certain radius who works in the same location by like incentivizing the with better benefits and more money so this is a way of like channel it slave labor. It's completely immoral and should not be allowed and finally the biden administration in cracking down on this and saying no more no poach and no more non compete because all it's doing is allowing employers to depress wages and keep them out by the way. This is a great story. I forget where. I read it yesterday. They're mclovin the new york times it talking about the widespread notion that that people aren't coming back too lazy they want to stay at home and collect. Unemployment is not proven to be true. It is true in a small number of cases but it's a very small number of cases by the way they just disagree with one piece of what your your statement was marjorie even for those people who are staying home because of the high level of laziness not attached to that in many cases doing well and because they're making more money to support their family and to a difficult period cows not about legs into. Okay that's right okay. We they get better wages and they get treated better. They don't need to be treated badly. So okay corby. It's nice talk to you. Everything's aggravating today the lack of mandates on vaccines aggravate me the frog gras crack about how this is the animals like it. Kind of thing is aggravated me. But you're not so. It's really nice to see i wanted bid away so i'll just say saliva great to talk to you and see you actually corby. Kummer joins us regularly. He's the executive director of the food and society. Policy program with the aspen institute is senior editor. At the atlantic. And a senior lecturer. Tufts friedman school nutrition science and policy. Coming up travel grew. Rick steed here to talk about what the opening of europeans for globetrotters whether you can go and assume what to expect. Keep your down eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio a to boston. Public radio margery eagan. Jim geraghty time for another edition of day-tripping with rick. Steves virtual travel our corona virus world. Rick joins us every month to keep our travel dreams alive including a little bit later in our discussion by describing his time with a stalin era soviet tractor driving. Masseuse finish spa. Rick steves as an author television and radio host than the owner. Rick steves europe tour group. You can catch. Rick steves your weeknights at seven thirty and gmbh to and his radio show travel with. Rick steves. Sundays at gbh. Rick great to talk to you as always always good to connect with you guys well. Rick gyms controlling himself to way to get seuss masseuse. But but i i 'cause you spent so much time there and seen so many of these places that suffered these devastating floods and germany's rheinland in belgium. And all this tell us What you know and what. We're what we've lost. Well it's it's happening all over the world of course and in some places that when the rain comes in a torrent instead of sprinkling down over several weeks it overwhelms the terrain and the surrounding hills pro. Serve as kind of funnel. And i'm i know in love little villages on the italian riviera that have been inundated dislike. These towns are being inundated now in germany where you get six inches of rain in just a few hours. And in so many cases and old towns they have a little creek going through the middle and in the middle ages that was where they gathered and then over time they realized we should pave over the creek and make that the main drag and that's where they have their nice pedestrian stroll in their markets. And so on. And they have a a pipe underneath that serves as a drainage that used to be the creek and the ravine and suddenly you get this water. Inundating and all through the countryside the hill funneling into that ravine. It overwhelms thing and in the case of the practica examples in germany and belgium and austria You get twenty feet of water. In what used to be a few inches of water and cars get flooded into the ravine and they block it and and It it kills people. I was in town in italy. That have the same thing that happens in germany this week and the entire ground floor of the town is is wiped out Towns that used to be so charming and so delightful with their patina of age now have all new furniture all new decoration and signs on the wall of loved ones who died in the flood. So it's it's a tragic thing but it's it's nothing new. I've been going to germany for years and in the last decade boy every in the summer. It's in the nineties and muggy every day for thirty days in a row and you have late afternoon. Torrential monsoons that i've never had before and in the new ritualised to grab your your pretzels and your sauerkraut and your sausage and run for cover. When you're in one of these wonderful chestnut covered beer gardens and i've missed a couple of planes in the last few years and frankfurt airport. Not because i was late but because the airport had to close because of under storms. So this is new stuff. Of course it's part of climate. Change it hitting the rich world and it's hitting the poor world and in the poor world. It washes away the topsoil and it ruins the agriculture and it has horrible ramifications. Am i just imagining things. Or our european leaders. I don't mean to create. Treat them as a monolith but i sort of am. They seem to be much more willing to talk about. The climate change causes of what we're seeing then at least the significance swath of our leaders in this country but accurate or no. I don't. I don't think it's a politicized issue over there. It's just a practice. I was just in hamburg. The greatest port in germany and they've raised the levy. I don't know six or like six feet higher than it was before all along the river and they've landscaping so you know it's it's it's a kind of a park a bike reuss and so on. But they've had to raise their levees because the river. The town straddles a river. And you look around and albany. Buildings are really designed so the ground floor is a garage is a is a parking open. Parking area in the houses are on stilts. I was in the netherlands in the netherlands are notoriously filled with frugal people. There's all sorts of jokes. About how cheap the dutch art they're spending billions of euros bolstering. Their dykes and and you see these. Massive projects i was in rotterdam where there's a storm surge barrier that protects more than a million people and it's as big as to eiffel towers on their side on wheels and when you have a perfect storm of high tide and wind and whatever that drives them storm surge you have to eiffel towers that rolled together and block off the rabin. So they don't get inundated like we've seen in in many cities around the world that happened to be at sea level. You know what i wonder. Steve's cause climate change has become so politicized i mean. The republican party seems to want to do nothing about it as is where you live out in. The west coast is just suffering horribly. In the rainiest season. We've ever had in july ranged live ever had in here in new england. How did they avoid this and treated as a practical crisis that we have to deal with even though they have as many divisions on other issues by the way as we do. That's a great point you know. I'm really concerned lately about dumbing down of our education. We are be funding critical thinking. We're defunding the liberal arts and everybody is just being trained to be workers You know it could be fancy workers but we're just becoming producer consumers without any ability to think critically and then you've got people who are hell bent on not investing in the long term sustainable future of their communities and A good example is a condominium group. That can't can't take the truth that they need to renovate it so it doesn't collapse in climate change. It's the same thing think of the expenses we're going to endure in the future because we can't stop We can't change a small industry like fossil fuels We could pay the people in fossil fuels we can just. We can just pay them. It'd be smarter than putting up with the expenses. We're going to incur down the road in europe. They do that in europe. Kohl is in the museum's now. I was just an open air folk museum in northern england. That's can't pick called. Newcastle call was the middle name of northern england. And today it is totally completely in the museums and they realized that they've got to do something serious because they care about their future in their honest about the economics of it. All here in the united states it's quarterly profits and it's it's con artists for politicians that that have an electric bass that is not well educated. And we're going to. Maybe we're going to get through it now with more sunscreen and and more air conditioning but down the road. We're going to suffer. And more importantly the developing half the world is going to suffer. And we're just blind to that so i'm embarrassed about a powerful wealthy countries that are defending critical thinking in their education and now going to be taking from the future to get through the immediate consequences of climate change. Let's move from one crisis through another from flooding the pandemic and marjorie also one difference. What macron last week. All of a sudden is saying. You don't get vaccinated. You're not coming in to all the places you wanna go rick. I read somewhere a few days ago. Well you told us last month you're holding off till early twenty. Twenty two for your tours. Though i did read that when you opened up. I think i read this reservations. Were overwhelmed in about three and a half minutes. We're just sort of exciting doubt. But but for those who are choosing to go this summer or in the fall individually. What kind of advice you give them considering the state. Yeah obviously they don't want unless you've got your vaccination and if you get in you still need to have a vaccination card. They're working on finding universal vaccination card in europe. And that's something we all got to get figured out and it's hard to predict down the road because we're seeing things spike right now and in europe. They've got their empire vaxxers just like we do. And they're having some stumbling. I've been interviewing my guides in europe. And i've got one hundred freelance guidance all over europe we just at zoom meeting in had reports from all the different countries and they're very confident that those countries are taking it serious and people are getting in the trajectory is really good for them to get back stated and i think it's a pretty simple equation if you get vaccinated the pandemic becomes history and What you gotta do though is recognized that each country will have a different story and it's easier to fly into one country sometimes than to go to a series of countries. And you need to know what the situation is. And you don't need to know now you need to know it just before you're going. Also i just booked a trip to go to shamin planning to geneva and in hike around montblanc in about six weeks and i'm counting on things to the trajectory to stay good but things are open. The only difference thing in the in the mountains right now is they won't provide you with sheets and bedding in the youth hostels up in the mountains. You gotta bring your own sleeping bag because there have some you know safeguards for the hygiene but things are opening up things looking good. It's just pockets where people don't get back stated are going to have their own private pandemic and that's of their own choosing. We decided to be confident enough. As you mentioned. Open up our tourists not for this year but starting in february of next year. And we're we're very confident that it'll be okay by then but we have to be diligent and You know Rich country rich country travel is going to be open a lot longer. Lot lot sooner than rich country poor country travel and traveling into the developing world Will need to wait. Until a for for casual travel i think until they get a chance to get vaccinated and thankfully our country is going to take a leadership role and sure that after the privileged people get backs needed then. The rest of them will get back needed. Also we're talking with rick. Steves of rick steves europe rick. You have Olympics of course is starting the end of the week and over in tokyo. But you've visited the places in the place in greece where this all began the olympic games. I guess it was seven seventy six bc with that one ebony. Six years before christ started people are lining up in that starting blocks and reading that they were naked but other than that it was pretty much like what we do one time ago anyway but so so tell us what. What is it like in in olympia. I love going to olympia. It's just four hour drive from athens and peloponnese peninsula and it's sort of evocative because they had these is a religious site it's one of the top sanctuaries in greece so a very important place for worship and every four years throughout the greek world which was notorious for be for bickering and having wars they would declare pan greek peace. And everybody would you know. Put down their swords and they all come there and they would participate Anybody who competed honorably was a winner. There were no real losers unless you cheated one way to cheat by the way was drinking animal blood. You couldn't do that. That was kind of the ancient of the dan and they wouldn't allow that but today has travelers. We can line up on those original starting blocks and we can walk among the the columns remember those great greek columns columns. They're actually a bunch of drums. That are stacked on top of each other with little plugs in the middle of them and during earthquakes centuries later they would fall and they looked like these evocative domino piles kind of strange strewn across the landscape and All over greece when you have a great insight like that you also have a fine little museum where they've taken all the treasures. All the carved marble and so on out of the acidic. Aaron put it there with a nice sort of explanation and makes it a very informative experience and again this is just four hours away from athens in the north of the peleponnesian peninsula. And many people go to olympia. But i would remind you. That's a springboard for all sorts of interesting exploring a bet peninsula. And when you get down to the south coast of the peloponnesian peninsula you feel like you're on a greek island boat anywhere so you're not susceptible to the storms and ferry schedules and the of that pick up a rental car in athens. Go to olympia and then head down to the south coast. The mani peninsula is one of the most remote and rugged corners and it's depopulated because of hard economic times but in its day it was sort of a pirate and pirate headquarters in some all that kind of fun and then you got them what they call the the gibraltar of greece this amazing fortified ancient town on the hill. Norman and my favorite town and olive. Greece was just netflix. On and two wonderful headquarters for getting out and seeing epidhavros and ancient mycenaean. You say you said avoid sparta. Is it a real dumpted poor spot. There's a lot of places that are famous in our minds because we hear about sparta. Yes and there's big almost nothing to see. So i don't i don't lay in bed. Hating sparta I just think americans have the shortest vacations and the rich world and you wouldn't wanna spend time in sparta neglected eight or ten other places so be careful when you're traveling anywhere you don't find yourself going to a place because it's famous you know the most famous jordan norway for a lot of people's gearing or not because it's good but because we're the cruise ships like to go you know the most famous town in germany for romantic. Little town is heidelberg. Because there's a song about. I left my heart in heidelberg but the town itself is nowhere near as good as many other towns. So there's a lot of famous places that don't deserve a spot on your eighteen array. Rick steves you just mentioned how pathetically shorter vacations are here. One of my pet causes is the four day workweek and right behind that is longer vacations next month. Let's revisit that whole topic wyatt. Americans are so don't do vacations as they should. But you mentioned naked at the original olympics. The difference the difference between commercial radio were margin. I used to work in public radio where we now do. we did. Whole shows on people being naked ridge olympics there. We can't there but we can. We can talk about being naked at a helsinki sauna. Rick for those. Who don't know. Rick got this great collection of essays called for love of europe. Which if you need something of get you through to when you can actually do it. And you read the helsinki one until over the weekend. This q. describe your sauna experiences other worldly great. I wrote that essay. Jim because i couldn't i didn't know the language knows in a working class neighborhood. Sauna and there was nothing in english. And i felt like i kind of like a naked. Mr magoo sitting there. Not knowing where to get it. Hal or anything and i hope i had to air dry and i thought well i'm going to spend this time jotting down notes on everything i experienced during the sun and it came together into one of my favorite articles i've ever written but when you go to. When you go to helsinki as a tourist you wanna take us on and he looked from the rooftop of your hotel at the next building and on it through pop. It's got us on and there's a bunch of bankers businessmen and they're rotund people with a towel around the new look like pool balls to me and i just okay. The tourists can go to the sun in the hotel that the local business people have their own business every wealthy person as a son in their home. If you wanna really have actual experience you gotta go to a working class neighborhood. Where they don't have their own private son is and then you've got the neighborhood. See go there and you go inside and i'll never forget sitting in that sauna. There was like three colors. there was great concrete. There is a beautiful wood and ready flesh and the people next to me were naked with blonde hair pasted to their faces. They sweat and i just had. I don't know. I don't know what century in but for some reason i know it is finland and then they would the dip their birch twigs in their their buckets of cold water and it would spank themselves with their british twigs. And then the lady who does the saunas are the massage. It's her turn. And i paid extra for the massage. And she had all the grace of it like a soviet tractor-driver think it'd be attracted my thought and she looks at me and she goes. She goes upward down. No i say up or down and of course she says up and then i'm supposed to with my belly up and she's got this brillo pad underhand. She looks at me like a minute. Brillo pad now. I wash you twice and i never forget. I felt like a salmon being gutted on the field Trae and she worked me over. And i was just laying there thinking i was surrounded by hardscrabble people and i just came off a cruise ship and i just saw this. This whole experience is the great equalizer. I just absolutely loved it and afterwards i'm sitting there having a beer with it with the bantu. The neighborhood gang on cheap plastic chairs on the lawn in front of the on thinking. This is good travel and these are the experiences that we have to find and you got to take the initiative. You gotta leave the hotel you gotta leave the the touristy little marketplace in the famous sites and you gotta take a bus out into the working class neighborhood. And that's where you meet people and you have these beautiful beautiful memories but you did talk about this part of the whole cultural thing there and so i wonder if people think this is very healthy or people think it's going to lower their blood pressure or what's going on i go. I think it's a social thing. Social thing okay. Roman times in roman times. They had their bags and it was the big social get together. That's where people went to be relaxed. And i find in europe. They really enjoy a place where where people all different walks of life to get together and they don't talk about the real estate market so much and they don't talk about what you're doing at work. They just talk about being neighbors. And i mean i don't know there's something coming together that way and you find it in the piazza's you painted in the pubs you of course in the saunas. Every country's got that way where the people can come together. And i suppose it might be part of the climate but up in finland. It's dark and it's cold and they get together an asana. And that's where they commune commune with people. It's it's smoking a big Shower in this ball It's it's going to the piazza and the passage arte in some traffic free boulevard in rome I can think of every country the place where you commune and in scandinavia. I believe you commune in asana. You know before we leave this topic. I have to say that in my travel. Experience the thing that you did in. Helsinki is appealing as anything. You've written about to me but it's also the most intimidating to me as a traveler. I'm fine where there are people who speak a little english and or use the tourists. I like the you know. I'd like as best. I can the out of the way places. I don't know if i have it in me. Do what you did. i'm serious. How do you advise people to break through that sort of psychological barrier. That i have. That's a big deal. Jim and i'm the same way but i'm doing this. I'm supposed to be a leader travel writer. I'd apparently exclusive comfortable. And i just you make mistakes. You know i really find getting out of your comfort. Zone is the initiative. Now a lot of people try to avoid culture shock. They say it in a negative way for me. Culture shock is a constructive thing. It's a beautiful thing. It's the growing pains of a broader perspective. And i seek out culture shock. And you know you mentioned by book for the love of europe. That's one hundred essays and i combed out of there any practical. What is the hours. How do you make a reservation and the practical tips and it is just these examples of how we find cultural experiences and when you read the whole story as you did jimmy you know how frustrating it was at the door. There was no english. And i was. I didn't know assist the men's directness women's direction. Do i sit here. Is my towel for hygiene is it for. Modesty is for drying up. I didn't know what the what the hell was for. But i fumbled through that and it was a highlight of that trip. Other people were spending. I would imagine five or ten times per day. What i was spending in helsinki and i was having a better experience. Because i got on the public bus and went onto that sun and i spent eight dollars soak with the locals. Well you know you talk about these in these essays for love. Europe is how it seems. Mostly i'm sure there were exceptions. But mostly your your obscene american. You're not a part of the people. Accept these in these settings you. You're pretty much accepted or are there are so impressed. When they see somebody. i mean. This is an example. You know the american stumbling into the neighborhood center. That's never seen a tourist. There's not a scrap of english anywhere. There why would there be. And they're very impressed. And and they respect that and they take care of you and they they. They're english probably is not very good in most of finland. You'd have no problem speaking english because you'll be dealing with well educated people who are in tourism and young people but if you get a different crowd you're going to have a language barrier but i don't avoid language barrier i kinda revel in the language barrier. Well that that gives me courage for my next trip. When i can get out there and mixing it always get a newborn to your hotel and turn our and your back at your hotel. Thanks so much as always. It's so nice to visit with you guys. I really look forward to this and see next month and Happy travels in pelham. Thanks rick rick. Steves an author television radio host. He's the owner of exceed europe. Tour group you can catch. Rick steves your weeknights at seven thirty right after jim. Gbh to and his radio show travel. With rick steves. Sundays at four o'clock and gbh. Thanks so much for joining us up. Next it is time for all revved up with reverence iron munro and emmett price their next one eighty nine seven h. austin public radio. Welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brady and margery eagan join us a line to take on some of the moral dilemmas day. One in particular actually a reverend's irene monroe and amateur price. The third amateur price third is the founding passer of the community of love christian fellowship allston reverend irene monroe's syndicated religion columnist also visiting researcher in the religion and conflict transformation program at bu school of theology. Reverend's monroe and price of the host of the all revved up podcast irene. Emmett welcome good to talk to you as always. Thanks for having us back here. Thank you both for joining us so enterprise. I opened up the globe yesterday. Above the metro section is a big story about an outcry at gordon. Conwell theological seminary. Were you used to work. And the person at the center of the outcries other than the reverend emmett price didn't talk to the glow about this but what is going on. Well i can't necessarily share. I guess i won't necessarily share what's going on. But i would take the opportunity to thank so many who are standing with me solidarity and sending notes of encouragement and inspiration with this interesting situation. That the that. I guess i found myself in At the seminary But yet there's not much more that i will add it this moment. Other than us absolute as irene would say assume nominee of banks of for those who have been sending notes and kind messages in support and solidarity with me. Well then let me just tell our listeners and emmett thank you for that What are the globe reported is that they were budget cuts at the gordon. Conwell theological seminary and enterprise. These schools loan black full-time for the program. Exactly was one of the people that was eliminated in this budget cut. So i i knew irene. We my have something to say about. He'll be how reno say one thing about the globe story on emmett was amazing is almost every time something like this happens and it happens far too frequently blown personal colored loan. Black person just happens to be. The person who goes is somebody's quoted there. I think a graduate of Gordon conwell A let's get to the black guy i think was Paraphrase of quote. There was nothing but to use your word Emmett assu nami of praise for the difference. You made not just in the diversity of the school. But in the lives of the people who've taught mentored i have to say was overwhelming to me and i i'm guessing it was to youtube was not absolutely. I'm just so touched You know this boston globe piece follows a piece. That was In the washington post a week or so ago and You know a number of broadcasters around town are are mentioning this and i. I just thought that people care enough to carry this story into to to raise it I'm so touched and moved in my family so gracious. Who have made they've washed me. Were very hard over the last five or six years at the seminary and just to think that people care enough to say you know that with me. I'm moved by it absolutely and i'm sure iran. You have nothing to say about it. Is that correct court. Of course absolutely here in you know immigrants very humble about it but the thing is this has really helped. Highlight boston store. Black churches not just here in massachusetts but really across the country. I think the thing that really also just upset me when he said to me and i was so glad he said to me when he called me he said irene sit down it was is that he's an alum of the institution and yes we see of ground swell of support not just here in massachusetts but across the country. I think thing that really bothers me. Is that when you go into gordon. Conwell theological seminaries you know Statement around diversity inclusion and equity says that that it's learning i'm reading. It's learning outcomes related to racism change hiring patents and develop new models a partnership within the communities Here and abroad. And i think that what troubles me. Most about it. Im- it has worked his butt building this institution and it's a million dollar institution here. The it's a pox on the institution on so many ways because given its theology of diversity inclusion and equity. It has reneged on his social justice. Commitment is compassionate around pastoral care. I think that what we see here. Also and i have to say this is that this is really a up pattern of behavior and predominantly white institutions where they suck up drain and exploit black labor and then just discarded when either. They're sick of the person They've used it up. Or the person brings some new i new and creative ideas to make the institution flourish as a marketplace of ideas. I mean and listen. This is another thing here that bothers me. You know this whole notion and it always happens to minorities last highest and i fire it is so troubling this padding here because we see it with cornel west here not getting tenure we see it with you know hannah nicole jones and the thing about this. I m it is tenured you know i. It's it's really quite badly as night. Even listen he's not even crawling for that. You know for that wrong. So i just find it that you know they. They need to not only work on racism. And this is my dig here. They need to work on their homophobia while they added to go. You know actually. It's an institution in need of some series appear more so than money. Well you know. We should mention that that at least two hundred people more than that sinus open letter to the college. I love this line from a woman. A name denise radley on who has two master's degree from the seminary there and director religious and spiritual life at babson college. She talked about. Um it bringing hearten light to the campus and how the place shine brighter with you. There and i thought among the accolades you got including. I guess that you commented on people's papers as you were correcting them. I thought that's what everybody did. Apparently stood out for one of the people that actually commented on that. So i tell you it was it was just a salami is as jim said before of praise for you and my home. I hope something happens. Here i would think gordon comma would be humiliated by this kind of then Than not you know why because this highlights very much what's going on in these evangelical white churches even in those charges. We're beginning to see where there is. This exodus of black worshipers were or work were worshipers as well as clergy leaving it because again it does not want to address the kind of diversity and the kind of life and the demographic group that that that black and brown people would bring to the church in order for it to really flourish. I always thought considering money. Trump's even even theology indies evangelical particularly. You know prosperous churches here with their bling. Bling theology That they would be open to diversity on that alone. You know emmy gotta a million dollar grant from from The lowest foundation. That's that's something. Speak light up emmett. I know you don't want to talk about the merits of this. So let me just ask you one more thing or are you planning on contesting this or you moving on. I mean what's the deal here. Well you know taking time to really heal from you know from from the news which kind of caught me by surprise to be front and so you know we're always thinking through and talk with my family and we'll make a decision in terms of what we're doing but for now we're just kind of sit in steel and and again just so grateful so many people who have who care about this and who care about me and who are reaching out in sharing their concerns and i'm just so grateful for for for everyone who's standing with them as you one last question then about your feelings you talk about how grateful for the outpouring of support and there has been a huge outpouring when you are the founder of place when you are so instrumental to its growth. It's diversity it's it and what does this feel like when this happens to you. Well you know the the personal part of this gym. And i will share. This is before the the reverend. Dr michael haynes passed away. He was a mentor of mine. He was kind of a spiritual grandfather to me in the ministry and he shared with me his vision that he was trying to manifest seminary going back to the nineteen nineties and many ways what i built as the institute for the study the christian experience was the manifestation of his vision. And so for me. Personally i feel like. I achieved what i promised after hanes. Abbas wanna do. I built back. I can't be responsible for anything other than that. I did build it at the seminary. We were doing phenomenal work We were thriving in so many different ways and a decision was made and now where we are so so. I'm proud of the work that i did on proud of those who work beside me proud of those who supported the institute and supported me. And i'm so proud of the various churches who we work with both in boston outside of boston and beyond who who trusted the who trust in my leadership and so i'm thankful for that. You know again. I i sleep well at night because i've done what i was supposed to do. Even though others may feel that it was not beneficial to their calls. Let me just say one last thing. If you're hiring a lawyer or not. But i would hire irene. Monroe of fire spent. That's what we were. It's a shock shockwave. Though i need to just tell you because when the news came out. And i can't tell you what yes they was like and i thought i was shocked when he first told me. And then the read the paper. And everybody's calling. What does this may. I mean black ministers from across the country but black richness upset in his church outside of his church. You know. I think what they don't realize and maybe maybe a lot of folks just how significant he is in building not only institute but helping blacks the thrive beyond the ambit of just the walls of the church. I am bringing in a younger. Jim and vibrant and creative generation. The way he is it. It is appalling. It is a pox on the institution but also on white evangelical on that note. We wish you huge amount of luck and please keep us apprised as you can amit and we join with all the people who have praised your work we only see it from afar but i know what we get to see is beyond exemplary so we wish thank you so much. Thank you well. Here's some good news. I think We always struggle with what to say or do after these fatal mass shootings which seemed to be happening almost all the time now Several denominations have come up with ideas about a special prayer basically to say after after the shootings in this one particular prayer from episcopal john nation. I believe begins got a piece. Remember all those who have died in incidents of mass gun violence nations public and private spaces and then it has a three line section the same structure over and over again where it mentions for example. Six that wisconsin sikh temple and then the congregation Gets to reply gives the department eternal rest. Let light perpetual shine upon them. You're both reverend's what do you think it's all over with you. go on. i read. No i asked. I absolutely was appalled. And not at now. That litany but the idea of having to do lynch when i read it you know i said to myself. This is not normal. Please god help us. I think really highlights the horror of not having gun control in this country. It shows that we are imploding. And i felt like my god when you read this the lines here and stuff i mean in. Of course i'd like the thing about a litany is that you are forced to Repeat it so it's forcing the kind a memory of it instead. It was almost like saying the rosary margin really. And so it's like. I mean you get to this cleese here. And it said like six people dead in wisconsin sikh temple. Okay give to the department eternal rest you you have to. I don't know how you get to the second sentence because it is just that horrible but the point is is that there are those moments. I have realized that the only thing that you can do in chaos and when something seems this token as as this moment is just praying. That's the only thing you can do. This is this is a strange situation because it shows duality the church where the church clearly clearly as the first responder and those who are in charge needs to be prepared and having a template or having some structured litany that can be recited and lead is very helpful the challenges that the other role of the charges to be the leader to be the moral leader within society. And we're playing so much defense that there's not enough offense really talking about in terms of what is our you know suggestion terms of legislation in terms of policies in terms of really getting situation to a place where we can actually not have to use. This look like this is the perfect assignment that you never wanna use your right the thing but you never want to have to say i do macab. It is but i do like as you said. I'm reading through the just to give it some know they go on listing the number of dead people twenty eight dead at sandy hook and the people that were killed in the. I think it was forty nine and the pulse nightclub because on you'd go down the list. It reminds me a little bit of when you look at the names and the vietnam war individuals and individual mass shootings. And i don't know it just seems like it some way to you. Know to wish piece on the on the dead but also to remember in each individual case. You know what i mean. It is but irene's basic underlying point that you have to have something ready for the next mass at. Yeah and i mean but think about this. If so macabre i swear to you it's like fifty twelve dead in a rock colorado movie theater give to the depart eternal read let light let light perpetually shine upon them. I mean you've gotta say there's a kind of disconnect here. I mean you have to experience some form of of cognitive dissidence. He is like oh my god we so out of control. We can't control this impulse around gun. Yeah well i think we are out of control and able to. I mean it's just it's just that we giving in. Okay okay. i sort of agree with. Yeah you fold up your hands and you're giving in. I mean whatever happened to your no righteous outrage to the point that you listen. When we saw an insurrection on on january i want i want clergy. Become out in those numbers not not attacked the the institution but to come fantastic distant up i think if anybody can do clergy can do it because it is always lifted up the moral consciousness of a nation. Sorry a lot of white white evangelical churches very much against gun control. I mean we had that went from disney. The disney lay that used to the movie about the one guy who right who the one evangelical leader who was a an outlier to say the least thank who campaign around against guns. They're about they about resurrection and life. See my point is if you're if you're so concerned about the life of a fetus or or you know why you about gun why. Why are you not about gun control. Why you about the death penalty. I think that sometimes the best way to help people wake up. It's the so look. How you holding this. And i've even creative tension and just in contradiction to each other to make a parallel by the way the disney thing. I should've been clear. This one wight jellicoe pastor says he can't be pro-life and pro gun at the same time as but he's a lone voice it getting back to your theme of irene that even if it's good however it's sort of giving in a variation that theme is i'm reading this morning that the black national anthem is gonna play at all. Nfl games before the sars spangled banner to which my response was really. You know it is here. One more word of praise for roger goodell until he calls colin kaepernick to a personal meeting and gets down on his knees and apologizes for destroying. This guy's career and attentive destroys reputation. It is unbelievable higher jay z. You can play the black national anthem. But the original sin for roger goodell starting with rain really is still. There is not yeah. Yeah absolutely this symbolism at at at at it's worst here i mean the real question is if he wants to make change you know higher You know colin kaepernick here. I think we we ask questions. Like the two out of seven head coaches Were were were even got us a slot spot this year. I think melby icing melting in general Sports nationalism is very dangerous it up. Hold to me a very. I think in our particular case right now. It will exacerbate the already polarized society that that we live in. I think it creates a kind of patriotism and a and a cult one that that brings in a kind of singular. You know ramping up of re inside and outside but the whole idea. I think they missed the point of you know Colin cabinet taken a need. Because it was. It was sort of holding america's ideals of life liberty and a of justice. I mean that was the purpose of it. So i just think in general i was hoping that would be announcement that they would be no flag-raising no star spangled banner. Nothing around nationalism. So i mean put in black national. Last i mean that's that's a crazy won't even know they. It in the black national anthem was used. Stop watching nfl. james years ago. Anyway right jim. It's been five years. I was sitting true. Yeah i have not watched. Nfl game Since that initial moment will come cabinet and sit here thinking about. What would it take for me to actually turn the nfl back on and wash again. And i think true to form is what you said. I actually wanna see roger de the dale in a meeting with colin kaepernick. And i wanna see a public apology then. I think that that would get me to consider. Otherwise i don't miss and so yes i will not be able to hear This phenomenal song by the way Song every nfl a game. Because i feel but emmett though. Don't you think bastardize the whole the whole idea of black national anthem. What james you know weldon johnson and his brother had it intended for i mean i think that's another thing is that you know you will certainly here. You know if in churches. But i think it desecrates. The whole ethos of the song ended up itself to throw it into a sports arena. You use the word vapid. I would use the word. Token this is a clear. I'll taken isn't a cultural legacy and an icon that that has different meaning in would it will be used for at these. Nfl game so we even say it's lift every voice in saying for the few people who don't know what i'm wondering i don't know this and maybe Maybe three do win this all mixing of patriotism and was this a post nine eleven thing and i don't know but they are. Fdr would muscular christianity and his whole idea. Football was a manly sport. A manly man only played football and been then all of this stuff kind of sped into more stuff about patriotism. How do we become more patriotism and never wa- was about the truth but all of a sudden they see that's the thing about melting patriotism with sports and you begin to throw in other stuff here and you and if anything with the whole notion of trying to bring a country together you in many ways divided more and more because many more people not only are outside of that construct a patriotism but it doesn't allow you your first amendment right to protest which is part of being a democratic society vervins iron munro emmett price the third. Thank you again as always good luck. We'll be thinking really appreciate it. Thanks to high him. I will work for irene for sure a ever growing but you price the third. Join us every week for all up. Msg pricers the founding pastor of community of love christian fellowship in austin revenue iron munro syndicated religion columnist the boston voice for detours african american heritage trail of visiting in the religion and conflict transformation program at school theology and the course of the host of the all wrapped up podcast. Which you can get on apple podcast spotify wherever you get your podcast. We're tell your smart speaker to play all revved up podcast coming up running the lines and asking you ready to pay fine dining prices for meat free meals conversations next an eighty nine seven hundred. Boston public radio. Welcome back to boston. Publicradio margie regan and jim braddock tuning in. We were talking a food writer. Corby kummer about the rise of vegetarian and vegan. Otherwise known as plant-based fair when the high an restaurant eleven madison park announced. It would no longer be serving meet at opened up a new way of thinking about food at least in the high profile ways when you pay three hundred thirty five bucks for a vegetarian tasting menu. You're paying a lot of money for japanese seeds. The looked like caviar. Or you're paying a lot of money for the pleasure of knowing that a living creature didn't suffer on your behalf. Taking your calls asking you. Are you part of this plant based movement. does it help the cause. If more high end restaurants adopt meat free menus then you open to spending hotel cuisine prices for vegan fare. Or you still trying to get on board with. I dunno soy milk. Eight seven seven three zero one. Eight hundred nine seven. Is it setting. You know a lot of people say we didn't if you weren't listening before there are many critics. I've never been there. Who say this is. Maybe the best restaurant in america right the highest profile restaurants in america by definition So you would assume as goes daniel brown whom hum h. m. the owner this place so may go lots of places after him and i. I am ready as i say for leading a far more hybrid like eating existence than i've lead in the past but i'm not ready to go the whole nine yards particularly if it's causing a lot of money you know. Yeah well i. I don't know i. I don't think i miss it that much. I mean i'm not a vegetarian. But i never got. Everybody saw to ask about steak so i. I don't think i mind by the way this piece out that resulted meat and steak by the way for over. That's words yeah no there. There are since take. That's true but the boston vegetarian guide to plant based restaurants which grew from thirty listings in two thousand nine to fifty seven and two thousand seventeen day includes hundred nineteen businesses. That's according to denver first piece in the globe. And they mentioned some this vegetarian pizzaria double zero in the back bay mediterranean vegan bunking central square. That are packed to the gills donut. Diner and cambridge have not driven by an on. Prospect street looks spectacular from the outside. But i haven't been inside yet. I'm going to go sooner. i'm going to try it out. I'm just not ready for every time we discussed this a lot of people call and say you're behind the times. And and this whole. I mean the corby mentioned my biggest problem about doing a conversion because i'd like to feel more ethical principle. My eating for a whole variety of reasons. I'm still not there on the texture thing when if they could get that i could get that but it's just not you know it's just not i'm just not there yet. Eight seven seven three zero one. Eight hundred nine seventy but we know the tons of you are and i assume a lot of you celebrating this eleven madison thing. I assume you've been there a number of times maury hugging. I have not been there. Jim but three hundred thirty five dollars a little. It's a lot of money. Seven seven three zero one. Eighty nine seventy. I've gone to places that not places like this. But i went to a place couple of weeks ago that had a grain bowl. I was surprised to see four an entree for dinner and it was really good. So what do you say you went to place. Almost everybody's got vegan vegetarian options. The issue is not options. The issue is like eleven madison. Where you're gone one hundred percent all income. I just haven't seen that many places with entrees. I guess there are closer i was. I was just noticing that. I never seen the grain bowl. Maybe maybe you've never seen a greater at certain places like the place across street. Miss down the library. What's it called the place. Everybody goes sweet. Those complexes hands by the way. Yeah but i hadn't seen it on a menu at a dinner place for an entree. But maybe i'm just call in and say whether or not a person who had never seen a grain bowl should participate in discussion like this. I would say no. I mean i've never seen a grain ball much as you. Jim kind of boring. God sonia in clinton your first on boston public radio. Welcome to the show. Hi hi my favorite male bus in second but just behind steven tyler but you know you some sometimes what does he. Wow only kidding enjoy. I think we lose his. Sonia puts on your on hold. Hope he didn't want here. Okay so make your case. Lesson fat chic. Well i'm calling out in the boonies here and we just opened the vegan nest not me personally but the owners. They just opened this weekend or last week's or something. My daughter went with her boyfriend because he visits from boston. You know come see the woods and stuff. So they went there and they raved about over a hundred bucks. Yup young people don't mind spending extra money if it means helping you know the environment not hurting animals that they have that mindset much more than the older folks i think. What's the name of the place in clinton sonia The vegan nest. They just oh okay and then and then catch this. Last week we had a pot shop open three blocks down the road to clinton. Now let me tell you on you. It's good to hear from you. Thank you very much for the call. Eight seven seven three zero one eighty nine. I'm sorry i'm laughing. I'm still laughing at the grain bowl comment. Lauren and belmont. You're let's see. It was an ancient grain bowl. What does that mean ancient. I dunno it tasted fine and it was a lot of great vegetables and things are ancient ancient old rice. Maybe around the show i really. I don't think i was surprised. It was very good night from west. Bridgewater says he's not even ready to pay mcdonald's prices for meat free meals never mind fine dining prices which had benched best include. One really awesome stake. There are plenty people that will pay that though. The world is full of pretentious self anger. Dicing people who would just love to put up instagram themselves. Spending one hundred bucks for two hundred seventy five to two dollars five cents worth of vegetables. Seven seven three zero one eight nine seven. There's an art that goes into it. I should say it's not just. I'm not talking about spending three hundred thirty dollars. But obviously there's an art that is added to the raw product. Lauren in belmont. You're next on boston. Public radio welcome. Hi thank you so much I just wanted to tell a funny story. I just got in the car and heard you talking about double zero and my husband and i are. Kids are away and we decided to go out last night and i had heard about it was coming from. Newark was as great restaurant. We had no idea. It was vegan restaurant. We sit down. we get salad with pepperoni. Ah chops out it delicious. I declared it was the best pepperoni i'd ever eaten. We had a delicious pepperoni pizza. I hadn't looked at the menu. I let my husband ordering and he was like maybe like a little more traditional. But she's a little bit different than i like. Neither of us had any idea. It was a vegan restaurant until we got home. And i pulled up the menu like i know that is one of the stories. So what was the pepperoni plant pays pepperoni. It's like beyond meter impossible. Whatever right. i really like collaboration. Chilly maybe with nato they. We had talked to the waitress brownies brave. And she said i think they make it with a pasta machine and they roll at thin and crumble it. It was delicious. that is how so lauren. But but had you known in advance that it was a vegan restaurant. would you have gone. I would have my husband now. I love this. I think he might not have but he said it was. You know he said it was really good. I think i like a little more traditional laura. Now that you're an expert. Let me ask you a question before you go in all your travels you ever heard of anything is unusual as a grain ball of you ever heard of a crane bald account or not. Okay lawrence thank thank brain bowl. Yeah i'm not a woke teenager. But i love green balls lauren. Thank you for the call by the way. That's the best call. We'll get because you know we talked about it before if you don't know we've had this discussion when corby. What did corey bringing some beyond me or tried and possible meat actually and a cheeseburger. Well yeah because you because you can't you don't know you can't really tell all stuff on top of the cheeseburgers lowest cheese mustard. You know all the other stuff on it. So it conscious guises it a little bit but did have the texture of hemberger. But isn't that a great story. Though by the way and it was great. She was one hundred percent in her husband. Like ninety percent in lauren. Thanks for the call. We appreciate it. Eight seven seven three zero one. Eight hundred nine seventy. I think it is. I think she's so right. The anticipation is what's the problem for me. Not the thing itself. In a lot of cases i'd understand the texture difference or feel the texture difference if it hadn't come to expect it. You know the go. Peace picture at this very snazzy new york city restaurant mass in park of something called seed. Caviar just mentioned now. I don't know jim other japanese seeds. Did you look at it. Yeah well. I mean it. Well if i spent three hundred dollars. Tablecloth i mean what are you talking about. -tising to me carrying by the way looks even though presentation. I believe somebody say. I do care how food looks but i really don't care i i really don't care that much i really care about is how it tastes and feels feels right then go for carrying watertown high. Hey so. I can't stop that story. That just happened Yeah that was. That was incredible. And when they think that's the problem is people. Don't wanna try vegan restaurants. Something there's some scariness about via an I've been speaking for two and a half years and it's super easy. I don't. I don't miss anything. Meet like there's just a stigma about vegans. But it it's still just dude. It's better for the environment. I think now is a really good time to be talking about this. With all the flooding and the fires growing plants takes a lot less a lot less land than growing animals. And i think everyone to try it and not be afraid of it and you know they don't have to do it every day like once a week would be great But you know a good fines. I xining so you can pay a lot for it or you can buy some lentils and some vegetables and make a really great and some grain gets an ancient grains and make yourself a really nice grain bowl by the way when you said ancient grain a friend of ours who we knew who is listener for years who actually moved away for years and just came back last week said ancient grains or things like king was that we're talking about curry. How do i mean i. I'm not an expert like at keeneland barrel and stuff like that curry. I want you to be honest. You sound like too nice answer this question. Honestly when you hear people like me and marjorie nonstop about climate change and Humane treatment of animals and then whine about a vegan menus or vegetarian menus. Do you feel like you're going to pull your hair out. I could but. I think you're aware of what you're doing right. Now is the flow as easily that on air. That's wonderful as geico want do we'll give us a couple of now shingles recommendation. Let's hear okay go ahead Eating eating animals by What is his name. Jonathan i gotta google good by jonathan safran for me are and then you watch The end of me. You could watch kao spiracy Those are great sherry on Like netflix thinker prime video. Just like if you read that. You need animals book. Sorry it goes over all the lake. Everything from like what happens to the animals especially what's happening to the planet floods and these fires. Unlike if we could just talk plowing down the amazon grow grain girl cows. do you know make burgers. Everything would be so much. What about the The bread and the pastry is is getting bad. People say oh. It's it's not like you can do x. substitute you could be like flax meal folks in water you could do With that not keen weather. Cfc's you begin. Butter is great for baking. I made the mineral completely vegan. Oh curry since you have all the answers. Speaking chia seeds when they get stuck between every single tooth. Do you have a other than floating in front of your friends will actually forget curry. Thank you for another great call actually We appreciate it. Eight seven seven three zero one. Eighty nine seventy. We're having a green rainbow debate on the imagine rick from iowa. Thank you for a grain bowl. What's the what's the debate. While beena says she's never heard of grain bowls. Rebecca tells me there's been grain balls and some menu at the kitchen the pru and assembly square for years and years and years. So she's with you boy. We're gonna have a huge contentious grain bowl debate on the show that should be really electric for listeners. Let's go to rick you're calling from west moines iowa's that right. That is correct. I'm in town for my nephew's wedding which was beautiful. Great side in miami beach and this is my fourth time on air. Oh that is raising gray tabby rick. What's up well. My most romantic date ever was Sending a friend of mine. And i to san francisco from miami to a fine restaurant called greens which was founded by deborah madison. Back in the late eighties. Or late seventies rather. She was a student at san francisco. Zen center and i have to say this is the most exquisite most delicious finest dining experience. I've ever had. I go back whenever i can. But boys at romantic rio de well elaborate a little bit. Rick tossed but the food and us about the atmosphere. Well so first of all when you enter there's this beautiful wooden environments With these old dead trees hey Took out from from fallen trees instead of cut trees that make up this environment where every table looks different. And you're looking out over the golden gate bridge. Every plate has loving it. The chef sat at our table when she heard that we flew out from Miami just to have dinner oh and it was just. It was a great night. Now rick foods what's it called greens again greens. Yeah it was founded by deborah madison. She's pretty famous. She's a big deal. Well so. I used to cook out of a cookbook. When i was in college and then i believe any somerville took over the kitchen and she was the one who sat with us at the table. The only thing. I've heard by the way that criticism i've heard of greens and marjory. I'm sure you've heard to is the limited selection of grain bowls is that is that true. Or is that yeah. I did not see a single grain bowl. Orange bowl plates of beautiful vegetables. Were well prepared and lovingly presented in a beautiful environment. You should check it out. I love it kind of every one of these callers has been the best sales people for the movement. Rick thank you very much. Another beautiful phone call just email. She hadn't heard of grain bowl either chats. They're trying to make. I don't need to look the bills. Nobody who've listened nobody listens show is not grain bowl except for. You never heard of one. I were surprised to see it on a entrees expensive restaurants. Anyway coming up. How big. A threat is the gop to our democracy. That conversation has nexen eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio walston publicradio mar dragon and jim brown a harvard professor steven levitsky and daniels. Ziblonki are experts. In what makes democracy healthy and what leads to their collapse in two thousand eighteen. Th last time we spoke to them. They warned that american democracy was in trouble in their book how democracies di was look at the parallels between donald trump's rise in the fall of other democracies. What they did not anticipate. Was that the republican party. Would become a collaborator an anti democratic party. This is the subject of recent peace. They both wrote in the atlantic. It's called the biggest threat to democracy is the gop stealing the next election. They join us along. Talk about it levinsky daniels. If it's great to speak to you again. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you both for for being. Let's start with you. Stephen you argue in this. In this piece in the atlantic vict- the gop seems willing to steal the next election so elaborate on that. Well you can look at this several fronts. First of all there was a clear. Willingness bias rising number of ovens to the very least go through the motions. Trying to overturn the twenty twenty lunch even though The vast majority new joe biden at one a second look at republican public opinion. And i think. I haven't seen data on the activists but i think is even more pronounced among republican activists. There is a widespread belief also about seventy percent of republicans leaves that the election was stolen open overturned those but most concrete both dangerous though we've seen steps taken across in states across the country or efforts to change the way that our elections are minister and to empower republicans election boards republican state legislature to bypass or or sports shove. Aside mogul election in say democratic song-pil county georgia virgin america county arizona and either change the way let's administer were overturned results and there i for the life cannot think of another goal of objective other than positioning themselves to do what was unable to do point twenty which overturned and clear if these laws continued to be passed and the supreme court takes the same position at took her. I don't know several weeks ago in the arizona case in terms of other state all call it voter suppression. They didn't for lack of a better word than technically. What is being done would be legal is so i think it's important to distinguish between two kinds of things that are going on right now. Number one are voter suppression efforts and that is to change the various rules to make it more difficult to vote. And there's been a lot of attention on that so whether that means poor causing polling stations earlier shortening the mail and changing requirements in order to vote. What kinds of issues which are which all have the pushed with the argument. We're trying to clean up the election whether you take people at their word or not. They have the effect of suppressing the vote. Meaning fewer people. So that's one kind of thing we call these voter suppression. But there's a second kind of new challenge which i think really has only emerged since january and that is what we think of as voter subversion elections version and that is changing the rules by which votes are counted changing who has authority over deciding who has won the election. And this is what this is stuff. That's harder to kind of get a grip on because it's newer and it's also taking place at the kind of level of state legislatures and seems to be kind of harder to understand and all of these are to change law so in effect making it possible to change the results of an election that are anti-democratic but nonetheless. Legal and that's what's so frightening and one of the points. stephen. I made in our book. How democracies elected democracy died today not through military coups but much more often the ballot box legally. And that's why it's so often hard to recognize it. It's really important to call in us on a pick up in the last point that daniel made. I don't want to delve deeply into your solutions or fixes for this yet. But i'm sure i'm going to touch on one here. We were speaking of the chuck. Todd from meet the press last thursday or the week before whenever he was here two times ago about the the for the people. Act this this bill that can't at the moment get enough votes because it would need to the need to bust the filibuster at least mansion and maybe cinema senators are not willing to do it and he said even for the people act and i assume that's what dana was speaking about a minute ago. It wouldn't address. What chuck coles the referees meaning even if you made the the even if you undid the voter suppression part of what. They're doing the fact that a lot of these laws allow them to and you've talked about democratic strongholds in republican states. That are swing states. They'd still be able to pervert the results even if the suppression part of this was undone. That's what you're saying. Correct stephen yes. This is a this is a pretty rapid evolving phenomenon. As daniel mentioned this is only really become an issue since january. Twenty twenty one so For the people act legislation that democrats are pushing pushing or they have been developing for several years in response to a wave of voter suppression efforts that began of about a decade ago. And so in some sense. The democrats are fighting the last battle. The latest rat in a serious threat is an effort to tinker with or politicize. The the referees and it's only literal only in the last months that democratic strategist in boca white house and the legislature have come begun to come become the problem and Turns out i mean. I'm not an expert on on american electoral law but solutions are not so obvious. We're talking to stephen. Vicky in daniel zip latte their article that we're talking about atlantic assault. The biggest threat to democracy is the gop still in the next election. I think a lot of daniel had a little bit complacent here thinking we've been around for a long time. The united states in america institutions have very strong on. But but you point you just said that that not only do. Democracy often died the ballot box legally. But we're kind of oddly following the gop anyway. Following the examples of terrible dictators authoritarian. So tell us what you were talking about there. So the first thing i should say is that american democracy is pretty robust. Our institutions are pretty strong. We've our institutions have been around for a couple of centuries as we all know. Our constitution remained intact. This lasted centuries one thing to note that american democracy is not as old as we often say. We have to say that the oldest democracy in the world i think a lot of ways since american democracy really has been a full democracy since nineteen sixty five in the past the voting rights actual act which extended voting rights to all americans or relatively new democracy nonetheless worse pretty stable democracy. But what's clear that when you look around. The world. Think of cases like turkey hungary venezuela. There's a kind of pattern emerge which is as elections have become more widespread around the world. It's much more common. For for elected officials come into power who seemed dubiously committed to democratic also then once in power try to undermine democratic institutions entrench themselves to me gets harder and harder to vote them out of office so the idea that this would not come to the united states. Maybe was a was a bit naive. This is a tendency that exists everywhere. I think donald trump fits that model thankfully i would say our institutions have as evidenced by the results of the november election of work. The opposition party was able to win. But i would definitely not be complacent looking forward. Because the underlying causes that gave rise to trump still are with us and in fact in many ways have gotten worse and that is polarization above all their willingness to violate basic democratic norms. And the kind of sense at least from the side of the republican party that they're sort electoral survivals stanchly threatened by democracy given those the presence of those factors. We continue be at grave risk. You know one of the things you write about stephen. I'm a quote align as we argued in how democracies i our constitutional system relies heavily on forbearance. Barons and. I almost laughed when i read that. Not at you but a bout. It one party still believes in forebearance in this country. Obviously the democrats because they seem to play by totally different set of rules at least in congress than the republicans do and the republicans have completely rejected that notion this this this this rejection of forbearance or restrain that's not just a trumpian era phenomenon is it or or did it begin supreme court. Well where did it begin. I would think the simplest laced to date is newt gingrich. I think he's the first major republican ardy leader who raced sir the abandonment of forbearance in style office in green dominant since world war. Two so in our view was is bulgarian. Style begins our with with english. But gingrich didn't just invent this out of thin air he was e was one of the first republicans sort of sense the changing winds sense the groin organization and sense the growing the sort of constituency or extremism in the republican party so begins with gingrich Republicans Really the the the entire republican ardy playing hardball In the legislature started at the tea party congress starting in two thousand and so much of the obama period the republican thing pretty hard ball in congress way before from announces presence. This is this fronts. Deeper than trump gone before him. And it's definitely going with this after ten. I want to stay on for barons. Just for a second. And i know you're right about this near atlantic piece but i i don't understand the mindset. Well i guess. Joe biden is partially of this mindset to for those in my opinion who appears so naive on this forbearance front applies to one party and not another. We just lived through What was done on merit garland and what was done Following the death of ruth bader ginsburg by the republicans and now the democrats at least joe biden and mansion at minimum. Don't wanna mess with the filibuster. And i read. Somebody's tweet the other day. Some prominent political type saying does anybody doubt the fact that the second the republicans take over the senate mitch. Mcconnell is going to get rid of the filibuster to do whatever a house elsie chooses to do. Why is there such reluctance. On the part of the democrats to play by the same rules that that the republicans have been playing by so successfully daniel. I think it's really important to distinguish between two kinds of behavior. So you know. Politicians always act in their self interest. I mean we don't want to be naive about this. They act in their partisans open. Just they wanna get reelected. They put they push hard but our democracy in all democracies require that people act with self restraint now. There's this dilemma. Exactly that you've highlighted wins. One side abandoned self restraint. What should the other side do. And i think my view. I think steve's you as well is not that we should abandon forbearance but that we should fight hard but act in ways that can are consistent with democracy so in other words you know. It's one thing that abandoned forbearance to try to restrict the right to vote because banning forbearance and embracing non-democratic behaviour principle if you abandon forbearance in the sense that you push hard to get rid of filibuster reform affect what you're arguing for is let majorities rule you're pushing for a democratic reform. And so we shouldn't simply say our people are banding forbearance or not abandon for the questions. Are you pushing democratic agenda and anti-democratic agenda in principle. No political party has a monopoly. on democracy. Both parties should be able to behave in ways that are democratic or not democratic but at the current woman at least when democrats pushed hard for things like band getting rid of the filibuster really what they're pushing for is to allow majorities do which is the democratic principle and just one final note on this filibuster. It's no longer the of your mother and father generation you philip to act with a forbearance has already abandoned abandoned with the guards filibuster and it's massive use. I mean he used to be used once a year throughout the twentieth century. Now it's an every piece of legislation so it's already been abandoned. What we're calling for is simple for anybody who's pushing for reform the filibuster simply to allow majorities govern which is a purely neurotic principal. Well as you point out. Stephen nali. Republicans not won the popular vote. Or they've only one at once since one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. They're also on the wrong side of so many issues from where the majority of american people are whether it's climate change or guns or a taxes lowering taxes on wealthy people etcetera etcetera etcetera. I just read yesterday where the. Gop doesn't wanna give more money to the irs. Because they don't want them to look into really wealthy corporations that may be cheating on their taxes or wealth. Wealthy people that are cheating jackson's so it it. It's depressing to think about that. That were in such trouble in so many areas. We're not going to be getting done if this continues. We're not going to be able to get anything done with the current mix of very very or as and our current constitutional structure which reads strong controversy jar guarantee solutions our constitutional system. Designed the founders. Didn't anticipate political parties at all but it worked to the extent that the system worked for much of our first call centers of our republic it worked in the context of very internally divided heterogeneous authorities that contain factions that could work easily and often with with the other sides. We've never only in rare periods prior to the civil war just after the civil war have we had Newly discipline polarized arguments in our our of madison system does not work becomes utterly dysfunctional in a context. Or we're trying to steven. Levitsky in daniels ziblonki their piece in the atlantic. Which you should read it unless you don't want to be depressed as the biggest threat to democracy is the gop stealing the next election. I mentioned the beginning. We're talking about the fixes. You mentioned we only have a couple minutes left you talked about you know restoring equal which in great part is for the people lack which is going nowhere the filibuster at least in part doing away with which is probably going nowhere But returning to majority rule. Those first two things i mentioned Need congressional approval. This return to majority rule. Marjorie mentioned that i think it was. W george w bush in two thousand and four zero one since aviators Republican president. Who's won the popular. Vote the only one that state legislatures could do from wrong. Gentlemen is this. I think it's called the national popular voter compact or something which allow states like massachusetts to vote that all their electoral votes are gonna go. Whoever wins the national popular vote. And i think we're about three quarters. And obviously as soon as he got states with two hundred and seventy electoral votes you'd be directly electing the president without amending the constitution or needing congress's approval. Do you agree based upon political realities that that is the only one of these reforms that has a decent chance in the foreseeable future. Starting with you daniel. Well i you know the one word of caution point out on that on that the voter this kind of state compact is that if only democratic states agree to do this kind of an uneven game and that so far i think that there is that risk that this democratic states say that they'll provide their votes to whoever wins the national popular vote and republican states. Don't open this is a kind of a problem right so although that is that is one pathway of reforming electoral college. I do think that allowing popular majority select. The president makes sense in a democracy. Yeah just but just. I would add to your listeners that this is not a fight. That's going to be determined before the next midterm elections. I mean we need to start thinking about these things. We need to start working on them now. But this is. This is the struggle for the next decade agenda. Democratic change comes but it comes slowly and it requires a lot of work and so we shouldn't expect change overnight and a lot of people because we don't have a lot of time. I understand that but on the other hand this requires a full generation of work to be engaged with this. You know we only have thirty seconds. They've been bought. I find to be interesting in your list of fixes you talk about. Legislative changes either in congress are a wall legislative changes. You never talk about fixing the gop's perverted status. Is that because you've given up hope on it quickly if again i. I don't think it's likely i don't see in the. Md leads a renovation of the republican party. A party that it's willing to the hang out. Lose chain to to dry and provides greater support for marjorie taylor greenman. Those cheney's not one that around soon. So we think this study break fixed but reading more majoritarian electoral system where the republicans need to win. Plus percent of the vote actually cheap power that will create a stronger incentive for the party to moderate. Can't be marjorie. Taylor means party and win. Fifty percent of the us from your lips gentlemen. Great piece in the atlantic. Thank you so much for your time. We appreciate it. Thank you thank you. Thank you very much for joining us. Dental ziplock is the each professor of the of science and government at harvard university. Steven levinsky is the director of david rockefeller center for latin american studies. Harvard university authors of how democracy democracy die and they've just written this great piece in the atlantic which everybody Should recall the biggest threat to democracy is the gop stealing the next election. 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6/30/20 - Community organizer Vaun Mayes was arrested for a warrant violation, now released

"And. CARE. Good afternoon Milwaukee. This is the mark belling late after ill and Xiao on newstalk. Seven thirty W I S. As I'm saying now just about every day. Just because you see something just because you don't hear. Something doesn't mean that it isn't there. This is becoming tour and tour because of the double standards that exists in our society and also. Accommodation to the follow in two factors. There's that unwillingness on the part of many people on the right. To Express themselves at all right now. Because of the incredible backlash that they get. We just did a story about the harassment of an incoming Marquette University student for daring to put together a small tick tock video in support of president trump. where? Others are threatening to beat her if she actually gets the campus. So, there's that many people simply are keeping their mouths shut for fear of the kind of retaliation. That will occur to them if they simply speak out. And secondly. The ability of other people to engage in speech and conduct that simply breaks all the rules, but goes unpunished. Nobody is a basic example here. To illustrate this point whereas as to where I'm going. Let's imagine. Nine people decide today. They want to March down the straight. Because, they're appalled that. We still have abortion clinics in Milwaukee. Could be anything but I'll just grab that as a cause. Could be anything. March down the street because they're hacked off that the police cited forcing traffic laws. Maybe march down the street because you have. People should have fireworks all night. Who Does whatever the causes? They decide to take it of March down the street night of. Everybody knows they're not going to be allowed to do that. Everyone knows that. Imagine for example if nine pro-lifers, let's go to the affiliated butcher shop on fire. Well, what are the bigger abortion clinics in Milwaukee? Let's imagine the pro-lifers just decided to stand on the street and block the traffic and proud on fire well, and there are nine of them. Everyone knows they wouldn't be allowed to do it. It's just common knowledge. You would not be allowed to do that. But if Baden maze grabs one of his megaphones and Frank Nettie grabs. What of megapode? And Koetter, fifteen or twenty people hold up black lives. Matter signs. They decide to walk down the middle of fire. Well, everybody knows nobody will do anything to stop them. Everybody knows that. And everybody also knows that there's almost no limits to how far you can go it uttering utterly vile, hateful and threatening things. If you come at it from a leftist perspective right now, whereas if you say anything from the right like all lives matter, your life is essentially over, and you have no public future at all. So, it's a combination of the too. Many people don't want to put up the backlash and secondly lefties just more much more emboldened right now to speak out. This can create a misperception. Particularly given as I talked about all the time people react. Fire were strongly to that what they say. And that what they hear, especially what they say that if somebody simply tells you, something is going God. So because you're only seeing and hearing one kind of expression. It can lead people to believe that that's the only attitude that exists anymore. And that's why. The parallels between today's liberals at historical fascists are very very strong. There's very little to differentiate the brown shirts. The youthful in more enforcers, the youthful goon squads of the past from what we have now with liberals. Young Liberal. Here's anyone say something that they believe is not particularly politically correct at all. They will threatened with physical violence and they say that they will shut them up and they say they have no right to speak. But the fascist. That's what the Brown shirts dead that that's the entire point of the movement. If you want to win an argument when you don't have any good facts at your side, what you do, is you simply bar? The other side for making gets case. And where that occurs. Let me, use as an example. No one really knows because. We didn't do any polling and who was going to say the wrong side of this public opinion question. Nobody really knows how much support Hitler had among the Germans. Would World War Two was going know what really knows. We know that anybody who objected to Hitler so much for him. Did many simply keep quiet. That many tried to get out in. Many tried to leave especially if they were part of the targeted or oppressed groups before the rate of terror began. Almost, every brutal inhumane apple regime history. has outlawed descend and targeted by jail or murder. It's political entities. And that's certainly the case right tap to what including today Saudi Arabia. China! Iran and North Korea. By the way people are still speculating whether or not fat basis laying on a beach up there somewhere. If he's croaked off dead, nobody really knows. You could try dot body doubles the him. I mean for Heaven's sakes. They all dress exactly the same at. The whole north. Korean situation that you're talking about the back burner. I may be different. You'd need a different part of the stole to talk about. Korea is given all the things that we're focused on right now. Remember when the fear that there are th- Koreans we're. GonNa Nukus was the biggest inserted that Americans had. That's way down there on the list right now. Anyway. The point that I was baking. Every inhumane brutal repressive regime that you could have imagined. Silences speech and by silencing literally billy the lock up of the Qilya. Castro in Cuba, all of them. They can't have descent. This is what's flummoxed. Now about Hong Kong. There's essentially no real descent in mainland, China the most populous country in the world. Because nobody has the guts to express eddie descend because they know what would happen to them. Last real public uprising we saw. We. Know How that worked out. The bad guys, what? In Hong Kong people have tried to express dissent bought the combination of covid nineteen, which the Chinese gave to the rest of the world which empowered them to. Lock down their own society, and the world, being distracted has allowed the Chinese to more and more restrict the activities, and apparently the protesters in Hong Kong are dispirited because they realized that push comes to shove. They're not GONNA win. They're just GONNA. Get killed. STELLE! The Chinese have not been able to use the same brute force that they would be able to use to put down any other kind of public dissent that they would anywhere else in the nation because Hong Kong. is so modern it so visible. Everybody's got an Internet connection. The entire world would see it, but still they won't be deterred. Bad Public Relations is less important to them than shutting up descent, which is true of all awful regimes. There is no awful regime that has allowed open dialogue during the time that they were doing there up this it doesn't exist. And we see here in the United States. I would say. The only parallel. We have an American history was in the very earliest days of our country where you see such attempts right now to simply shut down to sent. This is worse than it was during the so called McCarthyism period with a blacklist. We're going on the red scare. Scare was going on at which people who were left of center felt as though they were being tired with. The allegation that they were communists. This is worse. The only thing I can compare this to his in the earliest days of the country John. Adams is trying to hold everything together and he put in place essentially. Shut, down free speech the alien. It's addition accident all that stuff, but that was short. Live did the next thing you know his rival Jefferson in was was president of the United States said. They all kissed that made up and then croaked on the same day. which is still the most amazing coincidence in American history. That would be Anniversary of that would be of course Saturday. We mentioned this all the time. It's amazing that people don't know of because it's talked about all the time. John Thomas Jefferson both died of the same day exactly fifty years to the day after they bought side the declaration of independence. July Fourth, eighteen twenty, six very very bizarre. It's very what. Well I know, but these guys died on the same day the same day. Bizarre Anyway I digress. Because I, can't help myself. But we are really ever sense that you could say the civil war Lincoln suspended Habeas Corpus. The nation was at war with itself I? Guess that we really worry but a country during that period of time because half the country was it in the country, but certainly in any kind of modern period. The repression of speech is worse now. than it has ever bet. You now, even seeing major corporations trying to get facebook to do more to slapdown speech. Companies are boycotting facebook because they say facebook isn't doing enough to slapdown so-called racist speech. And we know how the lefties define racist anything they don't like. Thus when someone says all lives matter. He's deemed to be a racist that he's lost his thirty two year job as a basketball broadcaster. Saying all lives matter is not racist, but by saying it. It was deemed to be racist. Because right now you have people simply declare anything that they disagree with anything they don't like. They simply deem it to be racist and so much for that. So this is creating tremendous. Emboldening of those on the left appeal is though they can do anything. and has rendered many people on the right, utterly silent because they're afraid of doing anything. But again that does it make. that. They're not out there. It doesn't mean that they don't have these attitudes. You pick up on a few things why you hear. Some comments that people make that they kind of here just generally in society. For instance, a number of public officials especially Republicans out of the suburbs. have been mentioning that they have been told generally not in writing, told by their constituents. How appalled they were! The same authorities that were cracking down so aggressively copay nine, thousand, nine hundred. And breaking into people's houses, because thought. That there was a kid from next door playing inside. decided to ignore all of the rules on social, distancing good health practices, and so on the protests and riots got. They hacked off people. Look at for example how menominee falls, which has a number of residents that supported these crackdowns. Look the other way and allowed. And not disruptive protests where people just decided to start urinating all over the site of a gas station just because they closed their bathroom. There one any criticism of that, but people see this edit hacks them off. But. They're being hacked off silently. But it sits there and they have this opinion. Because first of all, it's not fair, and secondly it's not American. It's very very interesting that people are claiming. That our society has been biased against African Americans at others. Out abandoning their own bias, in which other people be treated unequally. Certain people are allowed to be disruptive certain people that are allowed to violate the law. Certain people are allowed to do whatever they want. But in the meantime let's pass an ordinance requiring people to wear masks the big story of the day. Numerous Milwaukee businesses that are manning the Tom Barrett required the marrying of masks in all public places in the city. Including quite a few bars. That's a really weird. would bars and restaurants demanding the wearing of masks? How do they expect people to consume their products? Well they. They say well, you can pull it out in order to have a drake, which every health expert that I've seen says that if you have the mascot, and you shouldn't be pulling up and down, because all you're doing is getting the thing dirty. which just spreads even more germs that if you didn't have it out of the first place? So the people who will demand compliance with this will be those that will go crazy if the police go and try to arrest anybody for throwing all these fireworks that are landing on people's roofs in the middle of the night. You see the point that I think. And this sit there and many people will still on this, and they know it's not right and they know that. American and they know it's not fair that some people just get to break laws at other people. Can't even do things that are still legal. I mentioned yesterday's program. That stuff like this doesn't end at its own. Find for example. A fascist, but in which the fascist just decided on their own. You don't what we're being to me. We think we're GONNA. Loose it the whole damn thing up. No, that's that what happens. The way you get rid of fascist the way get right. They got rid of BUSA. aliti hanging upside down his I recall. You know that they hang upside down. UPSIDE DOWN TO. Remember, the Mussalini part. I guess that marriage didn't work out for. US was working well when he was in charge of his power and all of that stuff, but when they said to hang upside and then. She probably but I i. You know I tried to tell him. This stuff was all hook up with Hitler I I was against it all. The point that I make that fascists don't suddenly get religion and decide. You don't want we this fascist thing. We're taking it a little, too. Pilots Lucid it all up and bring a bill writes back in and allow freedom of expression to have an open society and let even the people disagree with us. Express themselves, and let's go back to letting people put whatever they want on social media and reading the books of their choice and so odd. It's not how it works. Unfortunately, fascist have only been stopped through force in our society, which is why we can't allow them to get any more power than they have. Because they're not gonNA, let let loose that I could allow let it lows. In fact some people are wondering if the fascist actually let's imagine biden gets elected president. He quits three weeks later. Kabbalah becomes the president of the Democrats have the Senate and the House. How are they going to enforce the real crackdown? They want our rights when they've gotten rid of all of the police. What's going to be the actual? Arm of authority that they'll use. It's an interesting question. The lefties wanted to span the police right now because they think that the police had out of their side because the police are out there, trying to enforce all laws, whereas liberals only wanted forcement the laws that they believe in the things that they feel very strongly about lake shopping the rest of us, route. Now, all of this brings me to blonde maze. You might be wondering how the Yellow Brick road got to him, but if it has. I would say Vaughn. Maze and Khalid's up there, too, but bottom as in Frank. Daddy are probably the two biggest best thawed Milwaukee protesters at the moment. As got himself arrested yesterday. And All sorts of people went out of the jail demanding blonde be freed. One gets arrested a lot. Vons fat one was under Federal Investigation replaced on probation. He's got a fence the date back a number of years. He had nitty were among those that went out on the freeway and they got arrested. One of them got stopped by the police then where they were trying to block the bridge and so on anyway. Bond as was arrested yesterday for a burglary. And the back story, and this is quite fascinating. It's an indication of what happens when we actually let the anarchists being charge. They're the ones that keeps saying. We don't need the police. We can take care of it on our own. We see how well that worked in the CHAZ zone out there in Seattle. Anyway there was this bizarre incident that occurred last week. In Which? A bunch of people on their own apparently came up with this idea. That there was some sort of sex abduction dungeon right in the heart of the central city of Milwaukee. There were reports that some young girls were missing. And then somehow the thing took out a life of its own and. Because of social media and other roamers. Many in the black community were convinced that the girls are being held against their will. At a house near the Washington Park neighborhood right around fortieth and Lloyd. The whole situation became surreal and bizarre. First of all. There is no truth daddy of it. The girls weren't there. There was no sex dungeon and play. There's nothing. But enormous hordes of people showed up here, and they were screaming and ranting, and they were convinced that one of the residents of one of these houses. was abducting these girls and using them for sexual trade, or what whatever the police kept going in there trying to figure out. Is there anything to this other girl? There's nothing out of the police went in numerous times. Nothing ever what's happening in the crowds kept getting larger and people were agitated at agitating agitating. Fascinating because the people who argued that the police are always violating our rights, these people just decided on their own to be judge and jury of residents of two houses, and they determined out of their own that these are terrible, awful people. Imagine if the police behave this way. Anyway a woman from next door. Was the way had a baby that burned her house down. The whole thing was just bizarre. What are the people that broke into one of the houses according to Milwaukee, police was bodmer as that one of these guys. That's leading all of these protests, so they picked up a burglary charge yesterday. and His supporters say reprieve on free on free bottle, the demanding that the district attorney not charge him. This is the point I make about the rules not apply to everyone. I can't just decide I'm going to be my own Kappen. Go into some house in the middle of some neighborhood of why. I'm just GONNA go in I, decided that there's some sex perverts in here and I'm just GonNa bust into their house me myself I can't do that so why? Is. But this is what happens when you start down this path of saying some people can break the rules that others cannot. And it isn't just in cities like Milwaukee. GotTa Make Fun of Cedar. Berg Cedar Berg is kind of easy to make fun of. If you know what I'm saying, actually, every community is easy to make fun of I. I could have filled in that play naval city that you couldn't make fun of you just can't. There isn't one, is there? You'll Berlet. Oh I could come up with something. I I mean I could come up with something I mean. New Berlet. Isn't that easy to well? They elected doofus mayor, who escaped on to become the the world's most Dulles talked I. Guess That's not their fault. Berlin is New Berlin is just. You're suggesting that? It's so boring that you can't make any of it. Right now boring is about the biggest thing that city could. Go On for it by the way I. Maybe I'm going to get to this a little bit later on their. This is again. The media will pick up this one numbers. Come out a month later. There is an. Bizarre I just pick up all this anecdote only. There is. An unbelievable explosion of homes being sold this week. Real estate activity. Just it's. It's nuts. that. Apparently. Ad It's anecdotes and it doesn't mean the is distributed geographically all over the board, but. I'm just hearing that. There were real estate agents that right now are. They're running around like crazy. Just you know writing offers and. There's a lot of reasons for that. That's going out his well anyway. And it's generally the communities that you call boring. That are seeing all of the activity and I think that that's again a reflection from some of the things that you don't actually hear anyone say, but the action's then start manifesting itself. But if the world seems to be going crazy, a lot of people are going to gravitate toward places that they don't think are crazy. Anyway, as I say could make fun of just about anywhere so I'll make fun of Cedar Gray Dow. Seeburg is having its July fourth fireworks. On, you would say. July fourth, but as we know, there are numerous communities that don't have the fireworks in July fourth. They had them on July third, so always been Milwaukee's deal in other communities have. Copied it but most communities have canceled the fireworks this year. Cedar Being Cedar Berg. Where the residents have not exactly gone all in on, let's lock everything down. because. We're scared to death of the COVID. They decided they're going to have their fireworks, but. This is as I say. This is just so perfectly Cedar Bird. Rather than actually say anybody who's afraid of it just goes. Stay in your house, said. Put fifteen masks over your head. Put aluminum, boil over that and close the curtains. And anybody who wants to go to the fireworks come on down to do it now. Cedar Burgers say we're GONNA shoot. Amapa we are not allowed you to help. It gets better. That only not allowing you to come. They're not saying whether shooting them off. Now. I've conflicted on this I'm convinced I could find out. First of all. All you'd have to do? Is Pilot Open records? Request Ed see what the planning documents state you care. There's no nothing in the open records law that would allow them to conceal information like this, secondly I think. That there could even be public safety concerns in not telling people at advance for something like this is going to go on. And thirdly, there's a limited number of places that you've got. Obviously you've gotTA. Shoot the fireworks somewhere. Land landed everybody's house, so it narrows down somewhat, but they're not telling anybody where they're gonNA shoot 'em off. And the reason they're not telling anybody so that nobody can gather at advance now. Knowing how social media works all you're GONNA. Need to see is five or six trucks are going to start. pull it up a bunch of people. Cops are going to start standing in a certain place in all somebody has to do is post that on facebook at everybody's GonNa find. Find out about it I. Don't know what the police are supposed to do about that. Chase everybody because they happen to figure out. Hey, this is where they're gonNA shoot off the fireworks, but that's Cedar approach so we'll have fireworks, but you got to watch him from your own house and you can't come to where they are not gonNA. Tell you where they are. But. And they do this in the name of social distancing. Corona, virus. Etc.. They had a couple of protests up there in Cedar Berg. They didn't make anybody do any social distancing on that. Now from what I tell, it wasn't much of a protest, but they had one. But none of the rules that they're applying to not let people go see the fireworks Applied Ben. If this afternoon fifty to seventy five teenagers decided that they were going to have a march for black lives matter a racial justice or Equality in society, or whatever terminology would WANNA put out? I doubt Cedar Berg would stop them. But if the same fifty to seventy five people tried to show up and watch fireworks, going off I'm guessing that they're cops are tattoo. Tell them to leave. Likewise. There are people who think that Broadway should be able to break into somebody's house. But the rest of his cat. This kite disparity where liberal activists. And Persons of Color now get a pass on breaking laws while others can't. Create just as much resentment as occurred in our country when the tables were turned other ways. Would African Americans were wrongly punished for crimes that they did not committed. and. Whites were given a free pass if they're victims of their crime were black. Both are equally American at both. Create the kind of resentment. The takes generations decades. Look at us here in the United States now. Really perhaps never get overcome. On base and his supporters apparently think because bought is leading protests that blonde, therefore immune from every law, and maybe he is a beautiful every law he he could walk with a protest side, and a megaphone down in the middle of the street and obstruct traffic and lead a march, which other people can't do so if you can do that whether he probably thinks to himself, why can't I walk in the Home Bridge? If I could walk on Center Street, why can't I walk old bridge a block traffic and if I could do that, why can't I just busted to somebody's house? Because I've decided that somebody in here is abusing children. Nobody actually was. In the meantime we've rendered our police apparently incapable of maintaining order and Milwaukee's police. As Milwaukee, police have done as good a job as at America in keeping the protests on nonviolent, a lot of cities have had far worse problems than we've had during these protests bought. People were throwing rocks and objects at police officers at that incident in fortieth and Lloyd with the police officers were tried to keep people away from a scene that turned out to be a pair of houses where nothing wrong was going God. We use the term lynch mob to describe. What happened primarily in the southern part of the United States? Where people would get riled up and become convinced that some African American that some black person had done something. In some cases they did. In some cases they were totally innocent of the mob got it rock. And they would decide to take matters into their own hands, though arrests though trial though anything they were just going to go hang them themselves. So the term Lynch mob come some no justice where the mob justice sides what they're going to do. That almost seems to be a perfect description of what was happening at fortieth and Lloyd where the mob was deciding. That you've had a bunch of children that were used as sex slaves. What again turned out to be untrue? The two girls that were involved. That were mad. Nothing to do with that other. There's nothing to it. which is wild Internet rumor. But the police in Milwaukee seem to be incapable of doing anything about it. They couldn't disperse the crowd. And so far is that Oh the other person got himself busted his Vaughn maze to break it into the house and now when they do that. People that whole, you can't arrest Bod. What would, I'd have to do to get himself arrested right now that people would be okay with literally nothing. People are aware of this. They're aware that in menominee falls. If you attack the police officers and carry signs saying that you're cops are awful. And you take. Your urinate in public play urinate on the street. Nothing will happen to you, but if you criticize the protesters, people will demand that you lose your public office like happened to Taggart. People are aware that if you're on the wrong side in a community, like avenue falls empowered, liberals will turn I'd you? But they're also aware. The menominee falls is setting itself up as a community in which people use violate all sorts of other laws, Salah they're on the correct side the left side. Now my own deal at all of this is you know. I'm kind of a free for all sorts of guy. I believe that you have to have order in society, but I believe my definition of order is a lot looser than some people who wanna live in the solitude of Montana. I believe that our strength comes in our messages. I for example think a lot of these suburbs tried to ban people from putting a political sides. All of that stuff. That's terrible. I think if you see good out a stray, you see six sides at one guy's yard. The guy next door has five signs for opera dipper. cadidate said they've all got their stuff. I think that's great. I think Oregon is peaceful. Rallying is good. I. Don't think it's good that three thirty in the morning. You honk their horns in front of somebody's house. But I think that. If you follow the laws, follow the rules. Walk it up and down the street, yelling and screaming and advocating your causing and carrying signs that that's a sign. Of A healthy democracy. I think that even people with vile points of you should be able to express them. Back when the Nazis in the clad were around, just as the LIBERACE's were around dead people at every possible side of the spectrum. Radical Leftist Atticus. Salah is killing anyone. The OUGHTA be allowed to have their say. On the other hand, the rest of US had every right to condemn their say and say you're a rotten human being for saying what you said. Free speech doesn't mean that you're not immune from criticism, free speech cuts both ways. Yeah, you could say what you want, but I can say exactly what I think about you, too. That's kind of my view of things. Pretty much has to be my ideal given. How much I shoot off my own big fat mouth here on this program. I fire away. People fire back at me. I think that law and order it should be a broad large box. But. The box does have was on the side of it. Their sides of the box there aside there are levels to which you can't go. But? Clearly, it's gotta be enforced equally. We're tearing down all of our statues in our society, which is unfortunate because many of these statues and many of these monuments. Carry with the powerful symbols that we always live up to them, no, of course not, but the point is. These were our goals what we believe it? The scales of justice. Ever see that statue in front of both I. Don't know whether any statues left bad back before they all got toward out. Just about every courthouse has them. In which the scales are being balanced and Lady Justice is blindfolded. Blindfold because the law is not supposed to apply on the basis of who it is, that's in front of you. Frank the. Is over here. Or Joe the. Homeless guy is over there. They should be judged that what they did. Not on who they are, Joe? The homeless guy should be given the same justices frank the billionaire. Have we lived up to this all the time of the United States no of course that. We've been riddled with injustice, but the point is is that. Most of us. Understand that that's wrong. Now. You have people who simply want to take the blindfold off. They want to use the power of government to repressive. Shut up anybody that they don't like. It is remarkable. That we're only four years. You're move from the left. He's having the coexist signs and the stickers on their car. Coexist that all they want to ban. Now, we all know what precipitated this. We all know what the only thing is. That's keeping everything from falling apart is trump. The left is just can't stand that they're all for coexisting. Would they had all the power? Yes coexist with us. We read everything. Then trump totted. Saluting all the power that they thought that the addity Warren suddenly they're all angry and they're hacked off. They couldn't believe that here. This guy is a beat beetle. It. Is What set it all off? I also think the thing that set most of this off was. The fact that most of trump was doing was working at just graded on people on the left. The trump was gaining African Americans support because of the record levels of African American employment that we had we actually were finally achieving the promise of moving toward racial equality by having more blacks working at port a path of developing wealth so that they wouldn't have beyond. Depend they wouldn't have to be dependent on government programs. Trump was advocating getting them out of the rotten public schools that liberals run. The piece of crap. Public Schools in Chicago and Detroit Milwaukee. The garbage dumps that we call schools. Tried to get them to quality schools where African Americans and Latinos and other poor people would develop the opportunity to get an education to get a had. This was all. To. People in their power and trump advocated all of it so. Yeah. I think a lot of its. This motivates a lot of what we're seeing right now. Nonetheless whether it does motivate it or not, the fact of the matter is is that we have a situation in which there is a desperate attempt to slapped out at every level. People who are liberals to the point that? In most communities UK P. Walkie. You can't go watch the fireworks because they don't have them. Better Milwaukee you can. Busted the people's houses and claim that their sexual perverts in their when they're not and expected. Everybody's GonNa say that it's okay. Now as I said, while that is the reality. It doesn't mean that people like it. It also. And, this is where I'm going to transition into the next segment. We do not right now, have A. Means of measuring this. What does that mean well? Just explain it. All sorts of Houston people for my brief description missed in the TV show Laurel. You didn't mention any of the good bands that are I only talked about it for forty seconds, and there's Zillion of under were down there. Eagles, the Mamas and Papas erm is basically the seat in Los Angeles Sixty Five, seventy five. They all just decided to live. That's for crosby. Stills and Nash were joining Mitchell was hanging around up there anyway. It was a show that was on epic sent all these networks. I have no idea who has what on the services that they have I. Mean I have direct TV and then like I know a couple of people who have slaying. And took me forever to even figure out what that was, and they said well. Yeah, we can watch this that we could watch that, but then they can't watch the other that nobody knows what. Who has water how you get water whatever? But I have direct TV and epochs is on their ad. I heard Laura caregivers good to watch him so to part they get. So if you have that and it's one of those things that they do on demand, I would suggest that you watch it. Pretty, good documented, but no I didn't cover every single ban. Because if I de be talking for three hours because that's the thing was. Let me! Give you the weather. It's just simple. It's going to be very warm all week highs in the upper eighties and a few degrees cooler at the lake, when the Windsor off these the lakes, beginning to warm up, so it isn't as much as it is earlier in the year for tonight, a few clouds with lows bottoming out of the mid sixty s tomorrow partly sunny very much like today mid. Mid To upper eighties inland eighty three to the lake Thursday partly sunny, slight chance for thunderstorms again operates inland a little bit closer to the lake, Friday partly sunny, slight chance for thunderstorms, Friday would be the day. There would have been a ninety trillion people out for the fireworks on the third of July, but instead we just have people shooting off fireworks their own neighborhood all. eighty six at the lake. Idiot and Linda Saturday, which is the fourth of July partly sunny. Might get to ninety on Sunday partly sunny skies, so that's the forecast the next several days very warm. Weather. I was discussing at some length. The fact that everybody knows right now that we have all sorts of rules that apply to some people, but not to others. We have gone farther than we ever have really in American history in restricting the activities of people with regard to you know sports shutdown school shutdown. Churches Shutdown Civic Celebrations Shutdown County Fair shutdown state, fair shutdown concerts because of the Kuroda virus and anybody who dares defy any of these things. The wrath that they have to face. We'd probably still the under Tony. Eras locked out. Orders had the state Supreme Court not take it away as authorities so on the one hand we have that and on the other hand. We have people just running amok? Apparently feeling that they can say and do whatever they want and break whatever law they want. And the reason that they feel that way as they cad. There's a reason people running right to the stop. Slight Stop Lights Stop Signs of the city of walking running for the Red Lights. They know they can. It's the same reason that half the people, and that's my guess I don't know what it is. There's no good way of figuring I believe that about half the people but driving in Milwaukee don't have valid driver's licenses. That's my guess. Why don't they get a driver that they don't have to? Get pulled over for driving without a license. They get their license suspended for even lager. What do. So you had that the Tim Place and with regard to the speech and the kind of sanction that's in place, not just locking people down. We are ruining their lives if they saved the wrong thing. Got Another one here you know. Anybody that does anything with a rope right now runs the risk of being accused of doing something with lynching and hanging. You. For Heaven's sakes don't try to joke about any of it on the other hand, you can say at literally anything. About a conservative, and there's no trouble you will get anything. Anything! There's no limit as lie about and claim that their child will addy thing. and. Other than the people that are still dumb enough to tell the rope jokes and say things you're not supposed to say. Everybody's pretty much figured that out. Therefore. We have a phenomenon that's in place right now that I don't think many people in the media, not even people on the right hand picked up on. But. The reason I'm here is I'm supposed to pick up then things before other people do otherwise if I pick it up on things after everybody else does. Why would you be listening to be? You'd be listening to what other backward thinking like the mayor of Creek or whatever. Who Do they have over there? What I might I don't even know what you know who? John Mercure. I mean I could make fun of it and say I don't listen to you, but but stating the obvious. How could I listen to him where they got all these Fridays? You know what I'm doing I. Literally have nothing to do everything. Shut down and I'm not doing anything, but I'm not GonNa sit home on the days I'm not working at Friday. G. Let's listen to WTMJ. What's his name. John Mercure. Somebody, told me he was doing on his show like a few days ago. What was he like? What? What's your favorite cookie or something or another? I. What! I. What? I understand I don't know. Adequate. Now that I've done patting myself on the back, because no one else will, my job is to pick up on things before others do. I believe. that. We have right now. In an impossible task for pollsters. Polling is always hard. And a lot of his I don't believe the polls. Well, in some cases, pulls are biased. The way you ask, a question will affect the response. We've demonstrated this again and again and again with abortion, you could ask the same abortion question, but where to two different ways to get very contradictory answers because people. Despite the fact, the abortion issue has been around for quite some time. A lot of people have not decided. What they think about abortion. For, example, if you stay to the government ban abortions after the six months. Many people will say no. They don't like the notion of government panic. But if you ask should would be allowed to have an abortion for whatever reason she wants. Seven months into pregnancy. The saint people will say no well. If you're. Not Allowing to do it your batting, you see what I'm saying, but then just demonstrated on the abortion question that the way you phrase the question, so that always has a problem with polling in which there could be. Misleading responses because of the way you ask the question, we see this in politician. Approval ratings depending on the words that you use. For instance if you're asked, the grade say. Our mayor or president whomever it is, and you put out the greatest fair. natively, there are a lot of people people do not agree on what fair is is fair. Let's suppose you're right. The person is fair. Is that approval disapproval? Well I know but let me what category would you put it in approval or disapproval? What? You say I guess you guess approval well if the responses are. Excellent good. Fair poor. That's how a lot of approval rating surveys go, and they lump the poor and the together on the other hand if you say. Excellent average below average or poor will. That's a better way of measuring. Always been that problem. But. Let's take that part the way you were the questions aside for above it. What are the challenges for pollsters is always building the sample. I won't get too technical here, but obviously you want to get a cross section of the public. They don't just call up the first one hundred people that they fight. They WanNa have a sample that is representative of the general population. So you have to construct the model for the sample. For instance. If you believe that in a certain states, there's thirty seven percent Democrats thirty two percent Republicans. You'RE GONNA have a survey and the other thirty percent undecided. You'RE GONNA. WanNa have sampled. It's thirty seven percent of the people that are answer, Democrats thirty two percent of Republicans at thirty percent or the middle, also if the state is eighty one percent white. Ten percent, black and nine percent Latino. Your response rate to be that, and if the state is fifty one percent female at forty nine percent male, and the same thing with age in other words, you want to construct a sample. That works out to be what the population of the group that you're surveying is. So, therefore in order to do this, you wait irresponsive. Let's imagine for example you don't get as many. Democrats as you need to get thirty seven percent, you just count the ones that you have more. That's how the policies come up and do this. I believe right now. It is impossible to accurately Paul. We saw. The train wreck that occurred in polling in twenty-six. Trump. Only two surveys came close. Raspy said was what of them there was another. Almost. All of the others had Hillary Clinton winning anywhere between two and six points. And not just the popular vote, which arguably one, but the electoral vote is well when they sampled by. For example in Wisconsin even the best polls. and. The Marquette Law Paul, his general regarded as the best of the State Head Hillary Wedding Wisconsin. The policies were wrong virtually everywhere, almost all of bad. We're ride. I'm convinced I know why. I believe that there was a segment of the trump supporters. That would not admit. Either they wouldn't talk to the pollster. Split up the sample. Or they lied. Supporting Donald Trump in twenty six hundred. was very politically unacceptable in many quarters. There for instance. Let's a badging. You're in Hollywood. You to tell some stranger on the phone. You don't know who it is. You supported Donald Trump. Again I'm not saying that's most trump supporters. Many were proud. They are the bag assured sided all of this stuff. We're talking maybe two three percent out of one hundred. But that's all. It took for those polls to be wrong. and. The sample got screwed up. Because I believe trump got the boats of at least some not many, but some people who would describe themselves as Democrats. We saw this for example in the voting patterns here I don't want it to play this forever because I want to get to the point about the polls being Ryan now. The Fox valley and Central, North Central Wisconsin. Went for trump in numbers. They've never gone for any Republican for any office before ever. That's a lot of people who normally vote for Democrats. The polling miss that I think because a percentage not many but enough to screw through off the polls. Did Not want to admit. That they were going to vote for trump, or they just decided. They're not going to cooperate. They don't trust these people. They got off the phone. Denial that's what happened. Either that or collectively all over the country. Millions of people change their mind on election day, but that doesn't make any sense because in many states, the vast majority of people early vote. Now, let's go to now. Everyone understands the speech codes. That are in place in this country. You're racist. Your Life. If you say all sorts of things that would seem to be normal things to say. There are more people this year. Who Will Not admit that they support trump that in sixteen? Remember in sixteen. Trump was controversial when he was running, but nobody thought he was going to win. The left didn't hate him. As much as they hate the hate him way more after he got any dishes, everything back, et Cetera. Pollster asked. Do you support black lives matter? WHO's GonNa say now. Now. Some people very strong in their convection. Many of you, perhaps maybe you will. Those numbers are skilled. There are people who are right now afraid to say what they think. And I don't take any Paul can correct for it. The great great great breakthrough for liberals will be when they get rid of the secret ballot when they could actually see how people voted, so they can go at bullied. Intimidate us because they see. Wow, we are nowhere near that yet. Thank God. So long as the one thing that you can do that, nobody knows who did what is voting. You will be saying. Republicans undercounted in polling right now at it is going to get worse because is. I want you to think about it. The father way. In fact, let me finish off. This is a very important point. I don't WanNa rush it. Finish it up in the next segment. News Talk, eleven thirty wins. Lane after started this by talking about the double standards that exist the video now that everybody's talking about from Saint Louis protesters. They're all carrying guns when they get back some carrying guns including. AK47 was spotted in their. Broke into a house threatened a couple that was involved. You mentioned bunch conservatives just behaving like that. And where all the gun batting lefties? In Milwaukee, you saw these clowns that are part of bigalow. Marching along with the so-called peaceful nonviolent protesters. bootle fed into this. Equality for African American movement. But again, nobody ask these questions because everybody's afraid to ask them. We live in a world that's filled with speech codes NS I state. It's affecting the ability of people to express themselves in polls, and you can't even measure what actual American attitudes are because many people will not honestly tell a pollster what they think they understand what's happening right now. To people who have the wrong opinions quote Unquote Rog. So, let's imagine. And this is the part I was GONNA. Make before the break. You get put in the booth. And nobody does. The next thing you get album to the boss. NOBODY DOES ANYTHING ABOUT IT Third Day you get album of the Bob. Nobody does anything about it. You get about every day for four months. And then comes a day. In which get to strike back and nobody can find out what you did. Well that's election day. In my opinion, I just think that what you're seeing here is an overplaying of the had. That is infuriating. Many people who won't even say at allowed. When you hear people saying how disgusted disgusted they are, the communities openly embraced protesters arm an arm, marching down the streets, but then turn around and say that they can't have a county fair because that's a health risk. I'm looking here at Fox sixes website. They shamed some poor woman for going into a trader. Joe's without wearing a mask shaved all over social media right next to the as a picture of von Maze of three of his supporters, standing right next to each other all the microphones. Inches what another nobody's wearing a mask. That will there be any shaving them now. People understand what crap that is. And the more you shove them the more likely. The OUTTA Lash back in the only way that they're left allowed to do so. So, be shocked to get if the polls are completely wrong and trump gets reelected just. At if that happens, maybe it will be at one. There's a lot of stuff that's going to happen between now dead. Just. Don't be shocked by it because it will have been obvious after it occurs. If that's what happened, maybe vote. But if the polls are right, Gan trump has just as well as he did in two thousand sixteen. And in some parts of the country might even do better. who'll how come nobody saw this coming? How come nobody's others coming because you terrified? People into not even ever be able to speak. To for example, menominee falls. Call out the people who just decided to. squirt urine all over the community when we had their so called peaceful protests. You'll be called racist. Don't. TAGGART entitled complained and I'm not gonNA defend everything that they said. The resignations are demanded. Look at some of the comments that have been made by Milwaukee politicians. Nobody's calling for their resignations. Don't think people don't see this. Watch as the school curriculum start injecting all this ideology ising in now rather a moving farther and farther away. This is assuming they ever resume school. Another thing that is sticking in people's craw. Kids can go protest, but they can't go to school. People aren't going to call the school district up say I. Object to all of this black lives matter curricula being put into the schools, and being told that all of our leaders are racist. That were a terrible country. The just get matter and matter about it. Ever the only thing that you can do is vote. Don't be shocked if they vote in a way that some of you didn't see coming. Up Walking this is the mark belling late afternoon show on news. Talk Eleven thirty W Wa. We have a major and important and groundbreaking federal court ruling, dealing with elections in Wisconsin. Now I know. That sometimes people have a hard time. Keeping Track of what's what with regard to election laws because things keep changing. For example, I have been asked repeatedly. During my many calls to try to get many of the Lazy City and village clerks that we have it was constant, not all but many are. To offer. In person early voting. At the same extent that is offered in the cities that Milwaukee and Madison and another liberal strongholds where they understand the more opportunity, you get people to vote the war. People are going to vote. And people have asked me again and again and again. Why can Milwaukee have all these extended hours? Why are they allowed to do so? Why don't we simply have a mandatory? Hours for everybody in the state like we do election. They have way to get it. Get it again because it's been blocked by the courts. Oh. Well. That's turned. The United States District Court of Appeals that's one level below the United States Supreme Court. In a case that they took three years to rule on. Late yesterday. Overturned a lower court ruling and reinstated the State Law. That requires communities. They have uniform early voting hours. This is a major development. Added a certain to be an effect for the twenty twenty general election. Theoretically. Liberals could appeal to the United States Supreme Court, but there's no way they would get that case heard before November at I think there is very little chance. The United States Supreme Court particularly. The Way Roberts seems to be conducting himself right now. Would overturn the ruling. So. What we have here is the original state law that was passed several years ago by the Wisconsin legislature and signed by then governor. Scott Walker. They're put in place. A limited to win early voting can start. And made it uniform and statewide. That law is back in place. So. Milwaukee and Madison won't be able to start six or seven weeks before the election. They will under that law be able to? That perhaps run longer in the evening and so on, but the date by which the voting would start is going to be uniform and the State of Wisconsin. This is a significant victory. Furthermore, it's significant that the court of Appeals Remember. When the Federal Court of Appeals rules, they have panels. There are a number of judges that are the Court of appeals and cases are signed a three judge panels. In this case, the three judges of the Federal Court of Appeals for the Midwest. It's district seven. That's the district based in Chicago ruled unanimously. They ruled at a number of different election law cases in Wisconsin but the most important ruling. Is the one that goes back and reaffirms. That we have consisted dates for the early voting period in the state. Now. One of the things that will water all of this down. Is the fact that so many people chose to vote by mail. In the April election is we established the yesterday's program. Once you vote by mail. They're gonNA. Keep sending you ballots. So more people will be voting by mail that in the past. It is unclear to me as to whether or not. The mail out ballots will be sent during the same exact period in the same window as the in person early voting. But prior to the April election of Wisconsin, hardly anybody voted by the mail. And then tons of people did because of the concern over the Kuroda virus. Almost everybody in Wisconsin prior to this past April elected voted in person either election day, or in the early voting period by showing up at their city hall of the village and voting in person early. President trump rightly believes that the mail in voting things so susceptible to fraud benefits, Democrats. So by having so many people moving over to early voting and something that's being pushed so much by the my mail in voting rather that obviously is a benefit to them but reestablishing. That, we can't have the absurd. We had just these absurd situations here. During the early voting given the April election where you could vote in person in Appleton for like three afternoons the week before the election. That was it at a Milwaukee and Madison Fair way since. We have some well. We just opened up two weeks before there has been walkie and Madison four weeks before with locations all over the Seti. At least we will move to some uniformity with that. Again that ruling came down late yesterday afternoon, and into the early evening, actually from the United States this record of appeals of Chicago, and as I said it was unanimous. A federal district judge in Madison had struck down the law, but the Federal Court of Appeals overturned and reinstated the entire law. As I, said the court of Appeals did rule in a couple of other areas, pertaining to election laws in the state of Wisconsin is well. One of the requirements legislature put in place that was reinstated by the Federal Appellate Court. You have to live in the state for at least a month in order to voted Wisconsin. That was another one of the reforms that the Republicans passed several years ago. It was the stop. This business of people moving to Wisconsin right before the election. Establishing residents had voted here now. Some of you may wonder. Why would anybody want to do that? What's the point lead. Voting in Oklahoma. Or for that matter. What's the point of voting in Illinois? Illinois is clearly going to go for the Democrats. Oklahoma's clearly going to go for the Republicans. Both sates are heavily weighted in that side, so if you want to make a difference if you live in one of those states, you moved to a swing state where your vote matters. What's a resident? What's not a resident well? That's never been actually clearly defined. As it is right now. That's an issue that there. Many of you that listen to be right now are. You're obsessed with that entire issue. There's lot of people who try very very hard to prove that they are. Residents of Florida had not Wisconsin. You're a retiree. And, you spend part of the year in Florida and part of the Urine Wisconsin Trust me. You're trying to prove that you live in Florida. But it doesn't have an income taxes. So! Let's suppose you're in a lot of money on your fixed income investments, you know and so on. You want that to be Florida income. You don't pay income taxes to the state of Florida added as opposed to Wisconsin. And proving which state you're resited of. That's something that's been a big deal for a lot of people and. You can't just live in Florida three days and claim your resident of Florida three hundred sixty two days. It was constant, but for voting. All the states have had different rules as to what makes you a resident? What does not? And Wisconsin's law has quirks. If you're a college student. You have your choice. You can vote in your hometown where you're family lives. If we agree with, you can vote in the college, says the city that you go to college it. Let's imagine your. Somebody like John Wyatt who made the decision to go to platform, because no one else would accept him. He. went to Platt Bill now. He could voted Platt Villa. Rica voted Wa Tosa. You'll be his choice. Likewise for somebody who grew up in the state of Illinois, but it's going to school in Madison. They can voted Madison. They're considered a legal resident of Wisconsin. But this problem that we have faced in recent years. Of, people coming up to Wisconsin right before the election, claiming there Wisconsin residents then voted here. The legislature passed a law that said you have to live here for at least a month. You got prove that that means you lived here. The federal. Appellate Court reinstated that. That's another victory. The biggest win for the left east from the Federal Court of Appeals was. They ruled that an expired student. Id can still be a valid form of identification. Now in mark. belling perfect world, no student ID could be could be considered identification for voting because I've seen. How many fake student ID's that are that are out there? There's fake every kind of ideas but the student. ID's apparently are easier to fake. Maybe the colleges have got better at that, but everybody who's ever tried to drink the when they're under the age of twenty, one knows about all the fake ID's. That are out there so anyway. But thing with regard, unexpired idea is many people have argued that not allowing it expired. ID is unfair because you know there's suppose a kid drops out of college or whatever maybe this is the only form of ID you had so. The Federal Appellate Court ruled. That is still a valid form of identification for showing photo ID for boating but unbalanced. The big one is getting the uniform dates. For early voting reestablish than that one. Our side idea win. I? Don't know if that will take effect immediately for the August. Primary this coming up in a few weeks, I would assume that it would obviously the early voting for that isn't anywhere near as big a deal as it will be for the presidential election. In November. So this is the final word on this unless it's a an appeal to the United States Supreme Court added is say a significant victory. The biggest threat we have in terms of voting is, and it's the one that president trump is on and many republicans. Simply are not mail in voting is a recipe for massive fraud, and unless we can get a court ruling of the state affirming valid ballot harvesting illegal in Wisconsin. That's an opportunity. The combination of the two ballot harvesting add mail in voting for massive fraud here in the state of Wisconsin. So that is something that Republicans conservatives laugh to be focusing on aggressively. Aggressively to watch abuses that may be going odd with people filling out mailing and ballots for other people who made had even known that they were voting in other words, old Uncle Charlie. He never votes or Maybe. He is with it anymore. Somebody just grabs his ballot fills it and signs, the witness signature and sends it in and suddenly Charlie who had no intention of voter didn't even know who he was voting for has voted. One of the real problems of having election. Furthermore, there's no ballot security at all with this. In fact I'll share this story now. I as you know, we'll move, you know. I am a shareholder of the Green Bay packers. I Made Fun of it until of course I became what? Who would you know it's the most stupid thing to be a shareholder of you? Get nobody out of it. It is just a piece of paper. That I had a complete change, if thanking God that I, said that the packers are a nonprofit organization that have contributed so much the quality of life buying share you don't really make a donation to the packers by buying shares is the one way that if you can't buy, you know you can't get season tickets because there's a waiting list, and so you can support the team in that fashion and I. I completely changed my view I felt the packer pants had an obligation if they could afford to to buy stocks, Y bought stock and for Christmas Christmas present. I by Paula Scher of stocks, honest shareholder for the Green Bay packers the only actual privilege you get. Is You get to vote for? The board of directors said it's the most preposterous election you think. The elections we have. It was canceled are corrupt. The only candidates that could win the ones they put on the ballot. It's not. Born directors say the NRA or Eddie cut a group that you have to say okay. There's eleven director slats and sixteen people will run. The packers they have the exact same number of candidates is there are slots available and you can't write anybody. And the executive committee decides who's going to be on the slate for the board of directors, and that's the only thing the public actually votes. So, your vote is literally worthless. Still I can that you should do it. It's the only responsibility you have as a shareholder. You can withhold your vote. You can't for exotic I. Forget how many around there. maybe thirteen fifteen seventeen and you didn't have to vote for all of them, but if you withhold your vote. Like almost everybody would have to withhold their vote for somebody to be looked to lose, and then they'd have to put somebody else up supplemental. It just would not occur. Almost everybody votes for all of them. I I. Did withhold my vote. I withheld my vote from a guy that I withhold my vote for every time I. Vote. I won't name it now. I don't need to fight that it again, but I've got my reasons that I withheld by both Mark Murphy. The president of the TV all this crap about yet. All we've gotta let go with genuflecting of the whole thing, so I held my book for Murphy with my for somebody else. The impact of all of this is absolutely diddley. Squat I can really be happy with myself for having the two things. Still the point of it is this. Because it was a shareholder election. And they do need to make sure. That I as a shareholder vote again, not just weasel like Dave. MICHAELS is producing for us today. You're not a shareholder, right, yes. I'm an owner of the packers your dot. And but that's where it is. I have my piece of paper you tote. That's body it. You don't get any other privilege well. Think they let you actually go to the meeting this year. The meeting is virtual used to be able to go to the beach, but that even let it take like four guests. I've never gone to the beating, but I told people go up. There have a good time because a lot of tour the stadium. They yeah, they do the hall of fame tour. I've told the Hall of fame packed that. You can't even do that this year. It's all virtual anyway. because. He is a shareholder election in the same way that I'm a shareholder of a bunch of publicly traded companies shareholder mutual I'm a shareholder and Microsoft and Michelle holder and other companies also. When you have shareholder elections is treated the same way as the packers shareholder elected. When you get your ballot, you get a specific unique control number. And almost everybody who bought sideline. You can mail it back yet, but hardly anybody does that anymore. The Mail it back in older people who don't have the Internet. But the way you do almost every shareholder election for any companies you get your control number. At unless you're literally your Mailo stolen nobody. Has that control number other than me? And once I vote I the only person again. That can change that bolt and I would have to have my control number order to do it. We don't do that with ballots that were sending out to people that male in votes in Wisconsin we set about. There is far more safeguards in place for the Goofy Packer Board of directors election than there is president of the United States. Now, if I chose and they don't have. The option this year. There's no impersonating in for people who are outside of Wisconsin. The packers ever shareholder meeting every year, and they hold it in Lambofield Ed. Thousands of people show up. I forget how many thousands of people packers shareholders, but it's in. It's kind of this leading because the people who owned shares way before they did these new shareholder things they've got like a thousand shares ten thousand shares for all the dislike ones of those of us who came on in the last minute, but so the number of leading shares is not equal to the shareholders. Yet three, hundred sixty one thousand people, but it's like five million shares so I only have one share, but there's some people who might have ten thousand because they you know. They have them from decades ago, but if you want to vote at the meeting. You still have to present your control number. You can't just come in and say I'm mark belling I'm a shareholder. JUST ACID WISCONSIN? We have to show a photo identification to vote, but for the mail in. Voting. The, only all the place at all is you sign the sign the outside envelope, not your ballot and you have a witnessed side, the outside and beloved. Saying that this this person is otherwise anybody can claim that there's somebody else cast the boat for them. And proving who did it? It's very very hard to do. There's not even a control number that you put in place that could be uniquely coded to coincide with the ballot now obviously. It started giant secret. How shareholder vote said an election? It is a secret. How at American citizen votes for President of the United? States said it should be. But every company that holds shareholder election does more safeguard the sanctity of their election. The government does the same thing to insure the sanctity of elections. We hold in our country, and that's because Democrats believe in shading. If it was only Republicans that cheated. Trust me. You Photo I. D.'S DNA checks. They be put the temperature scan there. They'd be sending through the MRI machine everything imaginable to verify your vote, but because everybody knows that almost all the cheating done by the other side. Of those safeguards, anyway, the court ruling was a major step forward by having now uniform t to the dates, not the hours committed. Milwaukee could still start earlier in the day and run into the evening, but the dates will the uniform in the coming election. Thanks to the Federal Appellate Court, I really by the way former Wisconsin Supreme Court justice, and now Federal Appeals Court Judge Diane. Sites was one of the three judges who ruled in that case on the panel, and obviously since it was three Oh, she voted the right way for forty five news talk eleven thirty W I. It's time for rapid traffic I ninety four westbound. You Make Fun of. Me for becoming a packer shareholder. Somebody did but I. don't remember if that was you, but you probably don't remember if you did either. But Yeah I guess I. Always just look. Paul I actually could. If Paul would make ignore. He's all in on that. I mean he didn't even have to pay for. The I thought that was like the greatest gift you know that is your packer fat. The people who think it's stupid and I admit I changed my opinion. It's the people at I, knew a guy that bought in the round public offering. Before mine, there was one maybe. Eighty nine, ninety, one or so. There was one ninety seven, and then there was another one there about three rounds other than the wins that they had way back when they're raising money, you know at the beginning of the team, and then in the thirties, forties, fifties, and so on You know the whatever. Brown I was in whatever whoever did it before. Then the guy had the thing up the wallet I Made Fun of it now. Wow, what did you do, and so on that? Of course I became the. Does, but I that was in my case, legitimate change of opinion, in which if you have? The packers are to charity? It's not the right word, but it is a nonprofit organization, and if you believe in a nonprofit just as I believe in many other nonprofits I give to you. Ben What better way to support it. Than doing this, and I believe that since the packers are here solely because people of Wisconsin in the country, but mostly Wisconsin, it's years. Put up their money to get nothing in return just so we would have it I can afford to do it so I. Get a dead. Pretty sure Paul like that gift more than. Like whatever you gave him. which is nothing. You want to keep going. And you know what the problem is. The exchange gifts with someone. There's no end to it right. Okay, give somebody something for their birthday one year. Okay next. Should we have to do that? In both people just decide. We'd both be happier if we weren't getting anybody either said anything. Spouse kids. If you don't have kids, nieces and nephews. That's body right. I'd like to cut this off with Paul. I bet he went to my except. You understand this. He's married. It's a lot easier to buy gifts. What version of getting the gift is telling your spouse that? Go get it and that rap the damn thing besides. If that's what he's doing. That is serious cheating well. You don't. You don't think that's ninety seven percent of American meals. Do maybe doesn't work that way in my house. If you ask your wife to go get. Good just would refused. To say the least. You wouldn't think this knowing knowing the both of them, but Paul Swipe. It's apparently work compliant. Also, probably the concerned that she has not wanting him to make a fool of himself at my is the thing. And Maybe Maybe if that's what it was, it would be. A little bit of self, preservation and the whole. You're giving them hat. You're not doing that your worm. I'm a bad rapper. Rapper I'm very good. I worked in retail so I had to wrap things. I got very good at that. I that businesses the folding all of that stuff I mean. I'm bad at it. What I have noticed his nobody particularly cares no. Did. All they want to know is what I. If the choice is between a well, wrap gift that somebody doesn't like and a gift. It's wrapped by dope. Say Me, but they liked the gift. I know which way people are GonNa go? They're not going to be all. That's badly wrapped. Yeah. They'll only say that if you know they really just want to. Make you feel bad about the whole now. I do have this whole gift etiquette. They're Seinfeld's in all of this I don't think people should return gifts, and that's a minority opinion I just don't I think we did argue that once and I think you're on the side of returning the gifts, no. Or You? You don't believe guest should be returned. No I think the only scenario would be the exact same item, but a different size. Oh, yeah. Saying lately, different shirt or something like that Moore yet, okay? They bought me these plates. And I'M GONNA FRY but no use the plates to gift. And just and just live with got duplicates given otherwise just let's just ask everybody. Give each other buddy if you're asking turns his stuff back yet. I mean plus nobody ever admits this. I think you hurt people's feelings your return. They're gifted. You like people will ask them such and such. Like their gifts that I have maybe I. Don't use it then you gotta remember who that he is still like. Bring that out and set it out on the personal coming over, but but still not using it as better than returning it for something that you will I just think that. At least if they see it on a shelf or something, they'll know that you didn't just trash it. Got a sister that gave me an that Alexis. I want. I don't want. What's his name from Amazon of the basis? I don't want Bazo cities. goons listening to what's that? Things always odd I. I don't even think it's paranoid. We know they're listening. It's you know they say per quality control reasons. Where have we some have people who listen to make sure that Alexis hearing things correctly? And So I mean but I told her that I even said I'll give it back if you want, but I'm not trying to get out. I'M NOT GONNA use. Eddie of my I can do the apple one because you have to at you, do something to activate it, but the Alexes just always listening. For instance right now if I say. Alexa Turnoff wtmj anybody that's got wtmj other hosts will they wouldn't. How would they have MIATA WTMJ and he goes? To the both of them what? Alexa tell the guy in wtmj to become interesting. What's his name? Mercure. Oh suffice to say he's Jonathan Green who. Know think I made fun of Jonathan. Who would have known that that was? Those are the years of having actual competition all right? What's your traffic there? So a crash on ninety four eastbound still on. All he would ever do. Tell people where he would go on his motorcycle trips. Oh, yes. Yeah, he had a geographic memory. It seemed like yeah. There are some people in Radio Iran to traveling and if they are, they feel the need to. There's a lot of people that he could describe you know who or what business is on every corner that he ever drought traveled. That's I guess I. Remember It'd see you know what the advantage to that is. Though that chewed up a lot of air time a lot less time to after just as right now. I have chewed up a lot of airtime. Unfortunately, by case, it's at the expense of actually interesting and noteworthy things as opposed to prattling poor Jonathan in the past. They've maybe they could bring joe well. How will this Jonathan One? Hundred and thirty big break? He's you know that. He is, he still got to be better than the mayor all creek. I would think so. On the other hand you know. If they signed off during the time the Mayor Creek was on with their ratings. Go Up! Thirty. Gallons. Very, good chance the walkies bit of your required masks in all public places Marina DIMITRIJEVIC. A member of the City Council is proposing an ordinance requiring requiring the wearing masks in all public spaces, indoor and outdoor. in the city of Milwaukee, a bunch of buyer odors. Lefty bars. Put together by the PABST theater are calling on the mayor to mandate this as well. The mayor's caught in the middle on this thing because he's got the Democratic convention reduced as it is coming in the middle of August. How they're gonNA, enforce that if Biden does give the speech in Milwaukee I think it'll make a wear a mask during the speech you battle. Joe Tried to talk for fifty minutes with a mask over his face. The other thing is. The impact that this is going to have odd businesses in the city where people have the option. Of going to the suburbs, obviously, some people prefer to wear masks. Other people hate putting them on and. If for example you have to wear a mask at a grocery store in Milwaukee, but not one in shorewood or not one in. Tulsa not wanted West. Alice. You can see that a lot of people especially those who live near the line. They're gonNA. Make the decision as to where they're GONNA go. The thing that's really were to sing. Bars and restaurants supported because. Unless they're allowed to take off the mask I don't know how bar and restaurant is able to sell anything given the fact that the point of going to a bar and restaurant is to put things into your mouth. It's another one of those issues where the people that are opposed have tended to be very silent in their opposition, but once you do put these things in place. Tell them that they have no choice. It will infuriate people because you know Dogwood well that Milwaukee. Police are going to be loathed. Given. The allegations that they already are facing that. They're harassing African Americans to start arresting a lot of black people for not wearing masks. But. They're going to be under incredible to enforce the rules of regard to everybody else. You Watch. These protests may maybe one out of twenty people have a mass God. And then you see the same people that are supporters of the protests GonNa jump all over somebody because they're driving around in their car without what? Anyway that Ordinance Before Common Coastal, committee and it's going to be supported by the leftwingers in so what if they pass this thing? I trust me the people that are pushy. Get they better. Have that mascot everywhere? They are because a lot of people are going to be out there with their cell phones to see. When marine see when some of the other busy bodies see Brian wards favorite. I, just did his restaurant the other, if a few weeks ago, and now he wants to require the masks. It didn't make you put a mask on what I was paid for my dinner in there. The zillion up. That are behind this thing and a lot of this is just virtue signaling. Yeah, where for safety this that and the other thing? Again a lot of people I gotTA. Remember this and. We'll be all that hard for me to avoid do after patronized again. The places that are trying to take away my rights in my freedoms for something that doesn't have anything to do with virus prevention. We all know why well I should say. We all know why anybody WHO's paying. Attention knows that the outbreaks that we're seeing right now are very very rigid. Lead I think have a lot to do with the fact that the virus is simply surging in. Mexico and Latin America. So therefore the places that are closest to the border are seeing a significant increase there. There is still no indication that I've seen that mask wearing. Wearing has anything to do with this. In the same way that there has not been any relationship at all between states that under are under lockdown, and those that are not Illinois, which remains under pretty significant lack down still has a much higher case rate that we do here in Wisconsin where we'd had virtually nod and in the areas that have had outbreaks. It's those that have a lot of seasonal employees that come in. We've seen this even in Canada Canada's finally beginning to show some numbers, and they believe it's because of seasonal workers have come in in some cases that come in from areas in which the Bible was rather. Prevalent, Anyway the Kuroda virus thing is just GonNa, out there, and it's going to take out a life of its own, with regard to the political agendas of a lot of people in the big one is going to be when the decision is made not to reopen the schools in the fall, which I think the hidden story on that is the teachers don't want to go back. The teachers have berry sweet deal in drawing. They have laid off Eddie of them yet. That's GONNA have to start because of the budgetary problems they have at the teachers have this. In which they don't have to come to work there preparing very brief. On by lesson plan, so they bring a full salary. So. The political part of this is an element of the story. Just isn't going to go away. The point that I have been stressing as this endgame associated with this going to do this forever. What becomes in Wisconsin are virus numbers are hospitalization? Numbers remained miniscule were still under two hundred fifty. I believe I death rate continues to flatland at a very very low level. We don't have much of an issue with this virus. Here in Wisconsin at all yet. We want to go put. Ourselves dowd one. More point on this. I do not believe a mask ordinance issued in Milwaukee would be legal. It's possible they could be legislatively approved by the city council, but I'm not sure that it would be another problem that they had with regard to the state legislature. The state rule that twenty overs put in place is that it wasn't legislated now this if the city council approves it and Barrett Signs It, you could say it's legislated, but anyway. That thing is out there and it will be one more reason to create this surge of housing being sold like crazy in the suburbs you with the media will pick up on that story in about seven weeks when they notice the fact that there is an epic real estate boom going on right now. Especially in the suburbs now I'm not saying it's everybody just leaving the city of Milwaukee because. Those people would have to sell their houses, and if nobody wants to live in the city, selling your very hard to buy a house without selling the one that you already have but I just getting anecdotally from John Wyatt was one of them. The people are involved in real estate are just say all we're doing is writing operas right now, and it has surged in the last week and a half. It's just an epic thing. No real estate's everywhere in the United. States, but there's gotta be. There's gotTa be a virus component to this said. Maybe nothing more than if people feel as though they're going to be locked out in their homes for the rest of their lives. They want to be on a higher quality home dead. They cared about before, but. There's just an incredible amount of real estate activity going on, and I just picked this up. anecdotally of people sharing things be go out Eddie the poor sales sites ready to the websites that have housing listings right now. It is remarkable Hamady of them. Now offer or offer accepted in other words. The got all these pictures, but most of the houses already haven't accepted offer item. That's not a common thing, but it would indicate a tremendous surgeon activity just over the last. Several days, the more you shout, people around the less likely they are going to want. To stay with you, and as long as the virus remains primarily an urban thing, if becomes more, and we'll have a reason for people to live in the suburbs or farther out joy the excellence. Wins Mark belling late afternoon show home very few people. Question, the sincerity of the black lives matter. Don't when you have a movement that means you have a lot of people that are involved it. What I will question it is the sincerity of Mattie in the black lives matter will. Not all. The reason that that question is valid. Is Twenty twenty is shaping up. As being one of the deadliest years for African Americans particularly Young African Americans. In, the United States in a long time. And that story. You talked about low profile stories. You're making butter earlier about Howard, but he's forgotten about pace. North Korea. Try to find any coverage. Of the explosion in murders. Violent crimes and shooting deaths. It predominantly African American communities in the United States yet. We're not talking a blip it is. Roy Gary. How much the numbers have got up now I've suggested that the corona virus lockdowns are one of the things that's driving this combined with any of use of drugs, which is fueling the drug trade. Which always leads the violence, but there are many that are pointing out that this was starting the beginning of the year. In today's edition of the newspaper. Story by Sophie Carson she goes through just the number of teenagers that have been shot in Milwaukee in the last two weeks. Some bystanders, the latest thirteen year old boy. Injured in a shooting. A bystander of a shooting that occurred. One, thirty of August twenty, two hundred block of North Twelve Street, why a thirteen year old is out at that hour is I suppose a separate question? But there was a shootout and bothering a couple of people. He's hit in the crossfire. Now, the story is not broken down by race, but it is certainly a fair assumption that a significant number of the victims of these cases are African American, given the neighborhoods in which they occurred. The story goes on to say. The boy is the seventh teenager in two weeks to be shot in Milwaukee as gun violence spikes. About six PM Sunday, a sixteen year, old girl was shot at the thirty editor lack of south twenty seventh street about five thirty PM Tuesday. A boy and a girl with fourteen were shot during the unrest near Washington Park home in the fourth thousand block of West Lloyd Street. That's the situation in which we apparently can't hold one of maze accountable for anything about what? What Am June twenty second or fourteen year old boy was shot the eight hundred block of West Atkins at eight thirty PM June eighteenth, a fifteen year, old boy, was shot in the in the twenty one hundred block of North Thirty, fourth. Street around four thirty am June seventeenth a fifteen year old boy was shot in the thirty one hundred block of North Achilles straight. As I said. This is going on all over the United States. People have cited the explosion in new. York City. The numbers in Washington DC ARE ASTONISHING CHICAGO BAD. Is having a much worse year than normal edible walkie. Our murder rate has doubled. Over doubled. It is over twice the rate that it was last year. We have a very good chance of setting a record for the most killings of Eddie Urine Milwaukee history. This year. Add the majority of these victims are African American in all of these cities. Those are all black lives, but no one seems thanks they better. The fact that most of the killers are themselves black. Has To be the reason that no one wants to draw attention to this problem. Police, officers shooting African Americans and killing them remains a rare phenomenon at least in comparison to the overall universe. Of, African Americans who are being shot or shot and killed in this country. This is a real life. Terrible problem particularly when the victims are bystanders not even involved in two people shooting at one another. Edit is certainly a greater public health concern. Than, the off chance that somebody socially distancing himself from somebody else in a drugstore is going to get Kuroda virus. Yet it gets virtually no attention because. It's not a problem that you can blame about white racism. It's a problem that has a lot of other causes. And it's one that may have exits best way of being addressed. To have more aggressive law enforcement, of course, that's not the agenda at all. We're at a defunding police. Get rid of the cops environment. Now it would be easy for me to say well. We're telling the COPS to get hands-off. Stay out of central cities, and so on. That's how the verdict rate is going up, but that would be a false argument on my part if the number spiked from mid May that we could make that case, these numbers are for the entire year and they've been all year. They were up what it was cold and the red celebrating when it's warm. And as I say it is a national trend, it's manifesting itself really badly here in Milwaukee, but we're not alone. And for the people who claimed that black lives matter if that was truly, they're concerned. You would think that there would be at least some concern being expressed by DAB. About all these black lives that are being lost. And no one seems to think they matter. And no one seems to be even bothered by it. And there's been scared media coverage of it. Instead the unusual circumstance, a police officer, shooting an African American suspect. Those stories are highlighted. But the actual common occurrence, the real problem, the phenomena that is not only every day, but in every hour currence. We Ignore So, yes, I think it is legitimate to question the sincerity of those who claim black lives matter. Whether the predominant that is taking right now, so many black lives. Isn't being addressed at all. Having a march in Sussex isn't quite to address the fact that we have children. That are being shot and in some cases killed. Because they get between two guys that are shooting at out in Milwaukee. It would be