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Ep. 289: Katrina Julia - How To Take Aligned Action

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34:53 min | 4 months ago

Ep. 289: Katrina Julia - How To Take Aligned Action

"Welcome to the run your day podcast a show dedicated to helping you expand your capacity take your life in every area to an entirely new level and creating a day and a life by design. Here's your host Dan Hafner. Hello everyone welcome back to another episode of the run Your Day podcast as always your hosts Dan. Hafner here I want to thank you guys for joining a special guest for you. Today we've been having a lot of guests recently just kind of go through one of those phases. I. Guess. But today I have with me Julia who is a multi passionate entrepreneur, a lifestyle transformation expert. She's an influence or marketing and Digital Marketing Guru, which is always exciting and she is the creator. Of Fit life creation which is interesting type of business. Here we're GONNA talk a little bit about with her. But Hey Katrina how you doing welcome into the show. Thank you so much, Dan for having me and love what you're doing with running your day and so much of what I've listened to you already which I'll definitely share. I appreciate that as always as always so. Yes. So I guess to start off tell us a little bit about you and your background and what you do. So well. I love to say that I've lived a thousand lives because I feel like this. Ever since I was a little kid and never ending adventure in life and that started with me being conceived in Bulgaria born in Paulin in refugee camp in Italy and the US by the time I was to an every single part of my life kind of follows that that sort of an adventurous. Eve you know from the start of my life in two shifts with my mind into shifts with. With wellness into shifts with marketing with money with business and travel it's it's this never ending theme of transformation reinvention things ally new leaving. Route seven years ago things like traveling twenty seven countries, things like figuring out what my calling is and figuring out a lifestyle brand. So in every sense of that, I always say also that never ending student. That's awesome. That's very awesome. I I know how it goes with all that figuring out stuff like it's Almost never ends right. In silence you said you were born in Poland right. I was awesome I'm Polish. So yes. Polish people you. To ask you to your last name because I recognized yet but I wasn't so sure because there's no accident. But yeah, I was born in Katowice when I in nineteen, seventy eight. We'll hefner's German but we do have a lot of Polish in there. Do we make progress every year for? Christmas. Time. So that's that we had our first Christmas actually last year were me my parents, my brother and his wife niece nephew were all together for the first time in twenty five years in Bulgaria. So Yeah, oh. That's. Off. All the things Boesky Borsch if you're familiar with. Nice I love those Polish stakes to anyway too much too much Polish talk on here. Not that everyone doesn't love to talk about that stuff, but let some. So I had a question for you. I saw I did a little research on your end. I saw that you went through weight loss transformation you said that you lost fifty five pounds. Yes. Absolutely. So fifty five pounds they view over now five years ago a between twenty thirteen in two thousand fourteen what I really WANNA point out is number one, it took a year and a half. Number two for years before then I had tried so many different things. And I always made it about the short term as opposed to which leads. Third Point making a lifestyle and really really setting up myself for success, but also setting up other people. So developing a system of tips of tools of technology and you know constantly like you run so like you get it, there's a constant challenge and you're never you've never arrived. SORT. Of thing, and through that it involved you know healthy habits and still does aid involved giving up alcohol now haven't drank for over five years. It involved herbalife nutrition and still does neo bags competing fitness shows so many different segments and even now know we're in the middle obviously of. Global. Pandemic. I clearly, some keyboards choosing to compete and do different things because some you know organizations are still competitions, but because of safety and travel and different things I'm choosing not to so I realized okay. Well, how can I still hold a new level of accountability? How can I still try to myself in a new way? I made the decision being in Atlanta not go to the gym. And I discovered Peleton, and I've been on the Digital Act Now the last sixty days and the game of flying the recognition. Tying into those human drives, those milestones. So I just believe in really really hacking into your own self awareness and what motivates you, and that's ultimately what I was able to do along with my faith because like you said like every day is not easy and it was over a year and a half and it never ends like just because it's now five years later and you know running a miler ten miles or whatever it is like just because you've been doing it for years just everytime easy. One hundred percent and you kinda remind me of a quote I. It doesn't really a it applies to this but. It's this quote I read the Other Day said motivation is like bathing. Recommended daily. Right and and I think that applies here right like just because you go for one ron or you do one workout one day on Monday that doesn't pay for Friday's toll right that that's interesting. That's very interesting. I like that. So that's really cool. So you did also mention something else that I kind of wanted to pick your brain about it's called this. this six pack of wealth. I could wealth concept. Can you tell me what about that? What does that? Absolutely? So you're like many of us a lot of times people talk about a six pack of APPS, right? Through my own transformation and shockingly when I got my own six pack of APPS and I have a big part. Of My story and my background's related to money as a CPA serving with seven industries. A lot of things. So that side of my brain is also always on. and. So when I was walking through, not only my health transformation, but I started to walk massively through money transformation. In every way. So for years a lot of people I'm sure relate to this. I sacrificed my own desires, passion and purpose for other people, and that's usually when a lot of assauge growing up. So it was normal right. But at the same time that led knee like many of us to develop a lot of scarcity mindsets. Lack thinking you know not aligned to faith not align to abundance, and so as I was walking through my own transformation money I, developed what I call the six pack a well, and it ties to sixty h-have yours in money. And through several years, it's almost like my brain is being rewired and reordered in the way that we approach money and it's also never ending in the same sense that help us. So number one is creating. That, we all have the power to create well, but not all of us believe that. And so we don't take the necessary actions to do that like even deuteronomy eighteen says that but a lot of times church they don't talk about that. We're so again that ties to cultural. That, are not necessarily in our best interest. Then the second component is giving. So when you give no matter what you believe that's saying to the world that Hey, I believe I am enough and I believe I have more than enough and I believe it's not just about me. That I want to give to help others whether it's money whether it's time you know all that. So that's number two. The third component is saving. So a lot of times also were driven by cultural influences especially in the United States spends fence meant keep up with the Joneses get debt you need it now you can't wait. For me now, thankfully, the Air Sea mindset of this is your sales going to be over. You're never going to get this item. You don't buy that doesn't work on me more because I'm not it's twenty twenty. Maybe. Maybe it's a global pandemic. Maybe I had to wait a couple of times for toilet paper, but it's twenty twenty. Like it's. The deals going to get like you know whatever. So creating giving saving and saving to take care of yourself saving to have you know a month three months six months of savings so that when a pandemic happens it. Oh, I bought seven cars in true story I had seven cars by the time I'm thirty. So I don't share any of this from a space of judgment I, share this from I lived it. I exceeded the consequences in the mistakes that it costs me along the way. So creating big savings. Then the fourth component is investing. So many people have this mindset whether they're working for someone are entrepreneurs or whatever the case is. They think they're just GONNA figure it out without vesting and I'm sorry like whether you invest your time your money in in resources in community and tools like you have to invest. Hello like I. would school or like whenever any of US went to school whether it was elementary Middle School High School College, whatever you invested that time to learn even it's three resources on Youtube. It's still a concept of investment like even though I'm a coach and you know I help create communities I always a minimum of three to four communities myself. To constantly keep my brain being up level and I always say a lot of remember who I said this. But if you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong route like I want to be like one of those people. Like that. Or maybe not the stupid because I, believe like we all have value no matter what stage you're but I WANNA be an estate Arrow in a stage of humility like I think that's another thing that many of us have lost and I also walk through that. You know you have this I really easy. You have these results you have his accomplishments you have this degree you have this title and you start to develop. It's really easy to become proud or aggregate. It's really easy. So creating. Giving saving investing leverage, which includes leveraging tips, leveraging tools and let leveraging teams. So. Same thing whether it's virtual assistant whether it's technology whether it's a coach like it's leveraging technology like technology like automating your social report indignant goes so many different ways and in the sixth one is spending. Still years ago what I realized, you know being developing self awareness and so much like revelations was that I used to spending i. Like I would spend. Before I even had the money but then when I was managing other people's money are helping you know companies create well I, could easily help them create you know six, seven eight figures and so when I started really diving deep into. What is wrong with my brain and my sense of self worth. So a lot of that as you can hear. has been a ton of personal transformation and sharing along the way through those six behaviors and so I tied it to like six pack of Apps, but you can see how the you know the six pack or well. It ends. Yeah. Yeah. Like that. So just to sum up everyone that was creating, giving, saving, investing, leveraging in spending and like you said, spendings at the bottom of that list. Yeah I've. I've gone I'm starting to go through that phase myself. So that's that's good I think that's very, very useful. Yeah. Thank you for that so. Now you do talk a lot about all these different transformations you've been through and you know if anyone looks you up, they can definitely see a lot of the different things that you've had going on that you're doing. So one thing I like to share with with my audience on here least is. Like actual tips, right like actual practical things which so many people get lost in the theory and the concept things. But like what what actionable tips you know would you give someone to maybe stay on track with like a a morning routine or you know a a goal or short or long term goal what what what are like some actionable tips? So I'M GONNA, make it I really simple and then I'm going to dive into some themes of like how I break it down to really give people the practical application of what it looks like. So, number one is start the same way you say in your episode don't ever fucking quit like start. With the paralysis of analysis stop with the start tomorrow no start like do something. Because our brains are wired to change our beliefs or when we take action, it rewires our beliefs are ultimately it happens to align all the above including our feelings and number. One is start number two is simplicity. Number three developed a strategy meaning like this strategy that works for me like is a framework. But like what you apply and how you apply it like you might run more are you may do more shows on a podcast or you might. Kill instagram like the half. How does it matter? It's it's setting up the strategy and tying at your ultimate vision for your life. So many people don't have vision. They don't know where they're going. They're like, Oh, I want a billion followers on instagram. Okay. Why why? Like what do you want the impact to me like I think a lot of that is where we've got lost. Number four is structure like structured your day which I'm going to dive into that. The details at number five is systems because when you have systems at start to like programming your brain like. More or less my morning routine the same it becomes easier like even when I don't feel like it like I'm not going to sit here and say I feel like all the time because sometimes I wake up not in a great mood. Like. Right, and then the I know that it's a system and it's designed to help me instead of the self sabotage. Do you questions on that part before I dive in deeper? No I'm just sitting here smiling and agreeing with all of this, please please continue. Because I like to honor like it is your show. This second with that and is also goes through my own crazy transformation is number one jumpstart. Because Gemstar in this, I talk about this in my fourteen challenge. It's on the blog. It's on the show, but jumpstart has new start like pick something is at your health. Is it your money? Is Your Business Take some sort of aligned action with what you say you actually what you, WanNa lose weight wools stop buying the stuff that's causing you to gain like gain weight like that's where I started. It was the practical. You say you want to have more money was stopped shopping on Amazon. Like get real with yourself. The second thing is unleash inspiration which that has to do with vision like it really clear on why you want something you're really clear on like how you WanNa. Feel get clear on the vision like obviously you guys can't see but dance able to see. You can see my vision board right here next to. Every single day I. See like okay like the. Creator at the center of all vision I want like my health, my money, my business, my marriage like it's in my face, and then I have literally like scriptures or like sayings on the wall like. To keep my brain focus now. Is Pandemic projects. But I still had that but I literally said. More a need to like focus on the environment. The third thing is cluttered clarity I journal like crazy as one example, but clarity can be your house can be your closet your home now clean out because that shows up literally what's going on in your brain because if you have clutter that's also a practical answer, two years ago I had cluttered in my closet I had cluttered in my car. Exciting. I haven't had a Harker two years I started clearing the clutter like do I really need this? And like noticing, that's a direct correlation to the brain. The fourth thing is time to transform. which ties in to talk about the second, the seven steps to success. which ties in to actually just talk about it. Now, it ties into spiritual mental, emotional, relational, playful, physical, and financial, and keep in mind for anyone listening I didn't get your overnight I'm talking about a seven to ten year journey. And the actions I take now are radically different than last year. The year before the year before its growth, it never stops. The fifth thing smart social, which goes into how much time I spent on social media wear where do I automate where do I delegate? Where do I get da Va's Because again, I'm not trying to get my by life sucked into social media podcast. Great. They're great. Long form content. INSTAGRAM's great. Pinterest is great but I have zero desire for me or anyone I, connect with to live on social platform. That's what they're designed to do the creators of Instagram want want instagram. Pinterest wants Hewlett interest. But, is that the best use of your terrain, but you can still accomplish whatever you want without like. Your life on the bath for this six components moneymaker because now you can see all the foundational components going into Horn war. Okay. Now from the face of clarity of abundance of action. Now, let's dive into money in the packer. Well, then it goes into the business, the boss brand that than slows into websites like what are your websites look like the site wonder whether you are you delegated then it goes into scaling. Are you simplifying? Are you automating? Are you delegating like I love the job? That's one of our biggest tools I use all the time anger anchors great tool. We just talked about that beforehand that's another scale and simplified, and then it goes into community like never ever ever losing sight of inspiring influence and that you don't do this for yourself. I? Mean sometimes I feel like I'm talking to myself obviously I'm sure you do. You're like to go listen to my own episode because like sometimes you're the only one there. But then you know eventually people should a lot and that's another thing a lot of people think. Going to do this and I'm going to be an instant like sensation overnight like, yes, you have something valuable to give and some of you may you know all of a sudden have you know start doing something and all of a sudden you know everyone has a different journey things start happening but a lot of depending on your vision you have to walk through a lot of stuff. To build your character to build your persistence and then the last component. and. This is where I get into ninety plans and things like this, and that's also my show. The blog is momentum maker like how do you make momentum's? So I give 'em giving you all this. So a lot of times like you said people might be like, okay. Where do I start you start? Then the second thing is, is you think about what is your morning look? Do you have things that are feeding you. You have a structure on your morning. I, what I call a sacred seven. Then I follow my seven steps to success throughout the day. Am I doing at least three actions that are aligned in those seven years? Then I have a create seven with my business that are seven things like media like series, etc, and then I have a goal seven meaning like what are focused Wayne's in is what I'm taking action on a line. Because I'M SQUIRREL IF I don't have structure I'll go ten thousand different directions because I get excited by so much. So it's knowing your own mind and then I closed the day with okay gratitude. What went really well like my celebrates because nothing like ultimately when you see people at a pinnacle point in the top one percent of our world, there are billions of actions that it took to get them there. And that's what we forget because we want arrive and we think on arrive here in my life is GonNa. Be Peaches and cream. First of all, like nothing is ever peaches and cream because. There's there's stuff to deal with at different levels of growth. Even when you're a certain success points, there's a lot of responsibility and a lot of accountability apeople that rest upon you do you have the character in these questions I asked myself. Do you have the character and uphold that? and. That's what the crappy times or for like you said in your like don't quit like you're gonNa go through hard. Just there's there's so much I could add to that but I think one thing that stuck. Stuck out to me as I heard that was. Just telling you closed there like this this whole concept of vision right because. That's what gets you through the crap like that's. You know in. Honestly I've I've said this maybe I haven't said it explicitly when I started my show right like when I started this whole process to be like an entrepreneurs like I'm GonNa make money I'm going to do to make money. And then that quickly fades. Right that quickly quickly fades and that's what I'd trying. That's what I'm trying to talk more about as I go through this and that's just kind of been my personal journey lately is the spin this deeper search for that purpose and getting at least getting back to it in cause any anyone I that I talk to people all time I'm doing this for money linked. Good luck so. I'm glad. No, that's. A lot information but that was very, very good. I love that you said that I was sitting here like cheering you guys because it's one of those things like to repeat for the people to back because people think you're GonNa get to this point. Obviously. You've probably been there in different segments of your life I was there and when you get there if it's not aligned to who you are, you realize the passionate purposes air is empty. It is it is heal your soul sucked. It is and I've been there. I've been there. I know what it is so. Okay. So Great. So let's let's talk. Let's kind of tie this into your business. Right. So let's talk a little bit about Tell about fit life creation in you know, how did how did you grow that? What what what tell us about it? Absolutely. So a couple things so similar to your point. I. Lost Weight. My I was still at the time in straddling corporate. So to speak I was straddling corporate doing projects, and at at the time I ended up sharing my story on facebook of my before and after my weight loss. And about how I had lost into the fifty five, plant fifty, five plus pounds how I was competing in all the sudden that year my Business Duke started blowing up twenty five times. And so disclaimer not typical the possible and I was like, okay, I can do this. I can keep going on the same trajectory and focusing solely on the wellness component. There's nothing wrong with that. A lot of people do that. And I really started to DIG D. And I was like Okay God like what is my purpose? What am I here on the planet four and was all history of what I've walked through a lot of people in the global pandemic right now have lost jobs have lost their income and they're facing a lot of these same questions was that always did. And I felt a resounding. No, you walk through the the the whilst journey you've walked through this business journey you've traveled all these countries all this is a foundation for what is going to happen with this business and what's happening next. So I realized through my journey, I was going through all these programs in coaches I. See you know what I would really love if there was an all them when my stubborn. That I could go to one place and get get tons of creators. From Know Aspects of business. If I could get the help the money, the business all in one online in live. With you know the online courses with the blog with the show with the retreats normally not right now. And if I could do things with influencers because I recognize that. That success from story sharing that I said, well, wait a minute. If I can do this on facebook and he's doing this on instagram. What if we create a whole community of creators in long short to long term collaborations? They're doing the same thing. We had influence now for over a year in in the programs. So I started envisioning this and obviously back in twenty fourteen fifteen. In look nothing like the clarity UC today it was like a tiny tiny tiny mustard see there were like, Hey. I see vision like it was super simple all when lifestyle. And with time it developed experiences, influencers fundraisers. The automation, the delegation, figuring out all the things. So been. Quite the journey as you can imagine, Oh, I can. I can then that's that's a cool thing I'm glad that you hit on because. That's one thing I've found out on my own personal journey and things that I think a lot of people try to shortcut like you said, the people want to have that like I could just make this like super awesome cool lifestyle brand. It could do this and I could delegate this like it'd be for this but you're putting the car eighty, seven thousand steps in front of the Horse. Right. Done this. To like I'm guilty of that. But in I think in like you said earlier kind of ties back to humility and being like, okay. Like kind of going back to the start and being like okay like. What's I right and then just starting in that's That's the biggest piece I like to always give people's just to just start one thing in in builds in momentum on there. So that's that's great. So Once I like you said, and then also being humble enough to give it like this year is the year of pivoting like no one had twenty twenty the way it looks on their vision board like at this point. I. Imagine twenty twenty as is none of us did yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent. So well, that's awesome. So I mean that kind of answered my next question honestly was you know how does it all tie together with health wealth fitness the travel So that's that's really cool. So I guess before we wrap up you know is, is there any anything you'd like to ask me I usually give people one question to ask me So give you give you shot. Absolutely. So I was reading an article that actually got posted by you know you on medium. And one of the things you talked about which I absolutely love is fear is not real. and. Consistency is difficult. And you've obviously you've got runway age run your day. You've got several different things going on as well on your hands in several things. So how do you? Frame your mind about around fear is not real and then staying consistent. Even win especially when it is difficult. Dive in however you want to dive into that because. That's a good question. That's a good question. So I really like I really like what you said earlier about kind of how you structure Your Day with your sacred seven or. Your seven goals and things like that. and. It's funny reference that because that had to be a long time ago. But you know in terms of that like I do I start every almost every day I wake up like There is fear there is there is doubt there's tons of worthiness issues. Like What's the purpose? What? Why am I doing what I'm doing and I think just. Honestly over time, maybe I don't have the right structures or things in place for before me you know over time. I think it's IT'S A it's a mental muscle of being able to push through that and compartmentalize that into. Okay. No, that's not real. That's just the thoughts in a lot of it comes back to my morning routine right I do think through program I'm I'm part of called wake-up Warrior that's called the core four right in for me. That's my morning routine in that. In itself like purges everything that is ever going on in my mind about that, right. So then the cool part about that is what that ties to is this idea of production of actually doing the things that you need to do right and it's impossible. I find it impossible on a daily basis to be able to actually produce things I, need to produce to. To do this podcast even Sundays, right. If I'm not in a place of power if I'm just like. Man I didn't go for run today I didn't do my meditation. I didn't really do anything and just disgruntled So like it gets to this point where. For me you know staying consistent comes through the systems in your life like the the. Getting very clear on that y getting very clear on that vision which I'm still working through to be honest with you and compartmentalizing and kind of just. Comes back to what you said earlier. Just taking action just and you know everything started to change. Me started to blow a big time when I just took him I took imperfect action when I started doing stuff like I just started emailing people and I just started doing this podcast and I just started like honestly in there was so much fear around well. This isn't going to be good or people are GonNa Laugh at me or it's not GonNa work get made fun of or whatever, and once I was just like screw that shit like I don't need time for that and just did it like, yeah, I got mixed results but then eventually it was like those people go away and then you just have your true fans you know So for me, that's that's my that's a very, very good question. That's a very question. Well, it goes back to you. I think a lot of times you know Dan People Focus too much on the destination. And they don't enjoy the journey and not realize there's a lot of stuff that's net and you mentioned in that same episode that you said, there are things that happened in the journey that you need. You know in that and I love what you said with that with the power that you're coming from a place of power. Versus victimhood right and you also obviously have a morning routine with. Warrior. And I also heard and I think it's really important for people to realize. Even amazed at the time that I take it sounds like you are to to some degree of like self love compared to like ten years ago. And I'm amazed that actually way more productive and I feel much better because of that foundation and when you think about it, school doesn't teach us that most of our parents didn't grow up like that. This is a relatively new thing. And then the the last the last two components you talked about the imperfect action, which is really perfect because veiling your next stabs, but it's like school and culture. A lot of ways will say, Oh, you get an F. on this because you didn't memorize this. Are you F- on this because you didn't like you didn't write the essay exactly how I wanted or your boss tells you Oh, well, we're not going to promote you because ABC one-two-three when really it has to do with their own budget and their own issues internally that you have no idea what's going on now granted some of us all got promotions along the way though my point and all that is we have so much conditioning. Does Not Serve in the journey of entrepreneurship and I think like you were really really highlighting not and that's definitely like that's what I was looking for. Cool good. I'm glad that I'm glad that was that was a good question. I might have to go back and listen to that one because that's that's some deep stuff. So okay, I guess we'll just wrap up the show then. So just tell everyone you know how they can. Connect with you or find out more about what you have to offer absolutely can generally, you can find me at felt like, Chretien dot com on social it's either at Katrina, Julia fit or at that like Chretien. So that's fit life creation dot com. Yes. Okay. Cool. All right. So. Yeah. We'll go ahead and add that here in the show notes for you guys. So you can check out everything that trains got going on Katrina. Thank you very much for coming on I. Really appreciate you. Hopefully we can do this again some time it'd be really awesome. Definitely be following you and everything that you have on because. You guys need to go over and check out that off it life creation dot com. It's really really cool. She gets really cool stuff going on. So again, thank you very much. Katrina really appreciate it and thank you all for joining this episode that's going to be a rap for it As always stand hefner sign off make it a great rest of your day.

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115 The Facts in the Ratcliff Case by Edward Page Mitchell

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115 The Facts in the Ratcliff Case by Edward Page Mitchell

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Send it to my horrible dream at G MAIL DOT COM love to hear it and now for our features story a doctor meets a young girl whose magical is a minute trance. He cannot escape. I hope you enjoy the backs in the rack. Case Sir Edward Page Mitchell. I I I met Mrs Borsch Tea Party in the town of aw were I was attending medical lectures. She was tall girl not for him her base would have been in sip but for accuser restlessness of her is they were neither bright nor expressive yet. Yet she kept them so constantly in motion that they seem to catch and reflect light from a thousand sources whenever as rarely happen she fix them even for a few seconds upon an object the factitious brilliant disappeared and they became doll in somnolent. I am unable to say what was the color Amiss. BERGERES IS AFTER T. I was one of a group of people whom our our host the Reverend Mr Tinker sought to entertain with a portfolio of photographs of places in the Holy Land while the endeavouring endeavouring to appear interested in his descriptions and explanations. All of which I had heard before I became aware that Mrs Borsch was honoring. Honoring me with a steady regard. My Gaze encountered hers and I found that I could not for the life of me. Withdraw my Own is from the encounter then I had a singular experience the phenomena of which I noted with professional accuracy. I felt a slight constriction of the muscles of my face. The numbness of the nerves that precedes physical stupor induced by narcotic agency. Although I was a blind to struggle against the physical sense of drowsiness my mental faculties Michael. -ties were more than ordinarily active. Her eyes seemed to Torp my body while they stimulated my mind as opium does Entirely conscious of my present surroundings and particularly alert to the Reverend Mr tinkers narrative of the ride from JOPPA. I had accompanied him on that journey. Not As one who listens to a traveler's tale but as one who himself travels the road when finally we reached the point where the Reverend Mr tinkers donkey makes the last sharp turn around the rock that had been cutting off the view ahead and the Reverend Mr Tinker behold with amazement and joy the glorious panorama of Jerusalem spread out for him. I saw with remarkable vividness. I saw Jerusalem Salon in miss or sugars is I- tacitly thanked fortune when her eyes resume their habitual dance around the room room releasing me from what had become a rather humiliating captivity. Once free from their strange influence. I laughed at my weakness. Are Shaw I said to myself. You are a fine subject for our young woman. As Mary talents to practice upon. Who is Miss Borger? I demanded of the Reverend Mr Tinkers wife at the first opportunity why she is deakin can boys yours daughter replied that good person with some surprise and who is Deacon border a most. I xe man one of the pillars of my husband's congregation. The young people laugh at what they call his torpedo eighty and say that he has been walking about town in his sleep for twenty years. But I assure you that there is not a sincere more fervent Chris. I turned abruptly around leaving Miss Tinker more astonished than ever for I knew that the subject of my enquiries the race was looking at me again. She sat in one corner of the room. Apart from the rest of the company I straightaway went and seated myself. I self at her side that has right. She said I wished to come. Did you enjoy your journey to Jerusalem. Alum yes thanks to you. Perhaps you can repay the obligation. I'm told that you are Dr. d'Or Max Assistant in surgery at the Cali. There is a clinic tomorrow. I want to attend it. As has a patient I enquired. She laughed. No as a spectator you must find a way to gratify. Hi My curiosity. I expressed as politely as possible my astonishment that so extraordinarily a fancy on the part part of a young lady and hinted at the scandal which her appearance in the amphitheater would create. She immediately offered to disguise herself. Delve in male attire. I explained that the nature of the relations between the medical college and the patients who consented to submit to surgical treatment before the class were such that it would be a dishonorable thing for me to connive live at the admission of any outsider male or female. The argument made no impression upon her and I was forced to decline peremptorily to serve her in the affair very well she said I must find another other way at the clinic. The next day I took pains to satisfy myself that misbehavior had not syrup. Tissue slee intruded. The students have the class came in at the our noisy and careless as usual and seated themselves in the lower tiers of chairs around around the operating table. They produced their notebooks and began to sharpen lead pencils. Miss Measure was certainly not among them. Every reface in the lecture room was familiar to me. I locked the door that opened into the hallway and then searched the any room on the other side of the amphitheater. The theater there were a dozen or more patients nervous and dejected waiting for treatment and attended by friends. Hard blade less frightened than themselves. But neither Miss Boris Your nor anybody resembling Miss More Scher was of the number Dr Dr McNamara briskly entered by his private door he glances sharply at the table on which is instruments were arranged ready for for youths and having assured himself that everything was in its place began the clinical lecture. There were the usual minor operations operations. Two or three Stra business one for cataract the excision of several cysts and tumors large and and small and the amputation of a railway brakeman's crushed thumb as the cases were disposed of I attended the patients back to the anteroom and place them in the care of their friends. Last came a poor old lady. Name Wilson whose leg leg had been drawn up for years by rheumatic affection. So that the joint of the knee had ossified. It was one of those cases where the necessary treatment is almost brutal in its simplicity. The limb had to be straightened by the application of main force Mrs Wilson Obstinately. Obstinately refused to take advantage of anesthesia. She was placed on her back upon the operating table with a pillow beneath her head. The genetic limb so day Deflection of twenty or twenty five degrees from a right line as already remarked this deflection had to be corrected by direct forcible pressure downward upon the knee with the assistance of a young on surgeon of great physical strength. Doctor Mac proceeded to apply this pressure. The operation is one of the most host excruciating. That can be imagine. I was stationed at the head of the patient and order to hold her shoulders. Should she struggle Michael but I observed that a march change had come over her since we established her on the table. Very much agitated needed I. She had become perfectly calm as she passively lay there. Her is directed upward with a fixed. Gays the eyelids heavy as if with approaching slumber the face tranquil. It was hard to realize that this this woman had already crossed the threshold of an experience. A cruel pain. I had no time however to give more than a thought to her wonderful courage. The harsh operation had begun the surgeon and his assistant were steadily and with increasing force bearing down upon the rigid knee. Perhaps the Spanish inquisition never devised a method of inflicting physical physical torture more intense than which this lady was now. Undergoing yet not a muscle of her face quivered she breathed easily and regularly her features retain their placid expression and at the moment when her sufferings must must have been the most agonizing. I saw her eyes close as if in peace pole sleep at at the same instant. The tremendous force exerted on the knee produced. It's natural effect. The FAI joint yielded and with a a sickening noise. The indescribable sound of the crunching gritting of bones of a living person. A sound on so frightful that I have seen old surgeons with sensibilities hardened by long experience term Pale. At hearing hiring is the crooked Lim became as straight as its mate closely following this horrible sound I heard a ringing appeal of laughter. The operating table in the middle of the of the amphitheater was lighted from overhead directly. Kalihi above the table a shaft five or six feet square and closely boarded on its four sides lead up through the attic addict story of the building to a skylight in the roof. The shaft was so deep and so narrow that its upper. orifice was visible from no part of the room except a limited space immediately around the table the laughter which startled me. He seemed to come from overhead. If heard by any other person present it was probably a scribe to a hysterical utterance on the part of the patient I was in a position to know better instinctively. I glanced upward in and the direction. In which the Aisa Mrs Wilson had been so fix it only been there framed in a quadrangle a blue-sky blue sky. I saw the head and neck of Miss Borger. The sash of the skylight had been removed to afford ventilation nation. The young woman was evidently lying at full length upon the flat roof. She commanded a perfect view of all that was done on the operating table. Her face was flushed with eager interest and war expression of innocent wonder not co mingled with the light. She nodded merrily to me when I looked up and laid a finger against her lips as if to warn. Warn me to silence disgusted. I drew my eyes hastily from hers in Deed. After my experience of the previous this evening I did not care to trust myself control under the influence of her gaze as Dr Mac with his sharp scissors cut the end of a Linden Bandage. He whispered to me. This is without parallel. Not a sign of syncope no trace trace of functional disorder. She has dropped quietly into healthy. Sleep during infliction of pain. That would drive a strong strong man mad as soon as released from my duties and lecture room. I made my way to the roof of the building as I emerged through the scuttle way. Miss Borger scrambled tour feet advanced to me without manifesting the slightest discomposure her face fairly fairly beamed with pleasure. Why sent it beautiful? She asked with a smile extending her hand. I heard the bones slowly grinding and crushing. I did not take her hand. How came you here? I demand avoiding her glance. Oh she said with a silvery laugh. I came early about sunrise. The janitor left the door Ajar Ajar and I slept in well. He was in the cellar all the morning. I spent the place where they dissect and win. The students began to come in downstairs stairs. I escape here to the roof. Are you aware misbehavior. I asked Berry gravely that so you have committed a serious and discretion and must be gotten out of the building as quickly and as privately as possible. She did not appear to you understand very well she said I suppose there is nothing more to see. I May as well go. I led her down through the Garrett covered boxes and barrels of unarticulated human bones through the medical library on occupied at that our by a back stairway into and across the great vacant Chemical Lecture Room through the anatomical cabinet full of objects appalling to the imagination of her sex I was silent and she said nothing but her eyes were everywhere. Air Drinking in the strange surroundings with an avidity which I could feel without once looking at her. Finally we came to a basement corridor at the end of which adore not often used gave egress by an alleyway to the street. It was through this door that subjects explore dissection were brought into the building. I took a bunch of keys from my pocket and turned the lock your way. He is clear now. I said to my immense astonishment Missouri as we stood there together at the end of the dark corridor door through both arms around my neck and kissed me goodbye. She said as she disappeared through the half open couldn't door when I woke the next morning after sleeping for more than fifteen hours I found that I could not raise my head from the pillow without Nausea Mazia. The symptoms were exactly like those which marked the effects of an overdose of laudanum. I have thought it to myself delve into my professional reputation to recount these facts before briefly speaking of my recent testimony as an expert in the ratcliff murder trial the character of my relations with the accused having been persistently misrepresented the circumstances of vet celebrated case are no doubt still fresh in the recollection of the public. Mr John L. Rack with a wealthy middle-aged merchant of Boston came to Saint Louis with his young bride on their wedding journey his sudden death at the planters. Tour's hotel followed by the arrest of his wife who was entirely without friends or acquaintances in the city. Her indictment for murder by poisoning reasoning the conflict of medical testimony at the trial and the purely circumstantial nature of the evidence against the prisoner attracted general attention and excited public interest to a degree. That was quite extraordinary. It will be remembered that the state prove move that the relations of Mr Mrs Radcliff as observed by guests and servants of the hotel where not felicitous that he rarely early spoke to her at table. Habitually averting his face in her presence that he wandered aimlessly about the hotel for several days. He's previous to his illness. Apparently half stupefied as if by the oppression of some heavy mental burden and that when a costed by anyone connected with the house he started as if from a dream answered incoherently. If at aw it was also shown that by her husband's death Mrs Radcliff became the sole mistress of a large fortune. In the evidence bearing directly upon the circumstances. Mr Reckless death was very clear for twenty four hours before physician was summoned. No one had access to him. Save his wife at dinner that day in response to a polite inquiry of a lady neighbor at Table Mrs Radcliff announced with great self possession that her husband was seriously indisposed indisposed soon after eleven o'clock at night. Mrs Radcliff rang her bell and without the least agitation manner remarked that her husband appeared to be dying and that it might well be to send for physician. Dr Colbert who arrived within a very few minutes found Mr Ratcliffe in a profound stupor breathing Sturdier Asli. He swore at the trial that when he first entered the room the prisoner pointing to the bed. Cooley Cooley said. I suppose that I have killed him. Dr Colbert's testimony seemed to point I mistakenly to poisoning by I lawton them or morphine. The unconscious man's pulse was full but slow his skin cold and Pallid the expression of his continents continents placid yet ghastly Pale lips livid coma had already supervent and it was impossible to rouse him. The ordinary expedients were tried in vain. Flagellation of the poems of his hands and soles of his feet electricity versity applied to the head and spine failed to make any impression on his. Lethargy the eyelids being forcibly opened the pupils bulls were seen to be contracted to the size of pinheads and violently turned inward later. The sturdiest breathing developed into to the ominously loud rattle of Mucus in the trachea. There were convulsions. Attended by copious froth things at the mouth the under draw fell upon the breast and paralysis and death followed four hours. After Dr Colbert's arrival several of the most eminent practitioners of the city. Put up on the stand by. The prosecution swore that in their opinion. The symptons tins noted by Dr Coburn not only indicated opium poisoning but could have resulted from no other cause on the other hand Dan. The state absolutely failed to show either that opium in any form had been purchased by Mrs Radcliff in Saint Louis or or that traces of opium in any form or found in the room after the event it is true that the prosecuting attorney in his his closing argument sought to make the latter circumstance. Tell against the prisoner. He argued that the disappearance of any vessel containing containing or having contained laudanum in view of the positive evidence that laudanum had been employed serve to establish a deliberate intention of murder and to demolish any theory of accidental poisoning that the defense might attempt to build and he pro founded a half a dozen hypothetical methods by which Mrs Wreck might have disposed in advance of this evidence of her crime crime the court of course in summing up cautioned the jury against attaching wait to this hypothesis of the prosecuting building. Attorney the court however put much emphasis on the medical testimony for the prosecution and on the Com- Declaration of Mrs Radcliff to Dr Colbert. I suppose that I have killed him. Having conducted the autopsy and afterward made a qualitative analysis analysis of the content of the dead man stomach. I was put on the stand as witness for the defense then. I saw the prisoner for the first time in more than five years when I had taken the oath answered the preliminary questions. Mrs Radcliff raised the Vale which she had worn since the trial began and look to me in the face with the well remembered is a amidst border. I confess that my behavior during the first few moments of surprise afforded some ground for the reports that were afterward current concerning my relations with the prisoner. Her is chained not only mine but my tongue also so I saw Jerusalem again and the face frame in blue sky peering down into the amphitheater of the old medical college. It was only after a struggle which attracted the attention of judge. Jury Bar and spectators that I was able to proceed. Proceed with my testimony. That testimony was strong for the accused. My knowledge of the case was wholly post mortem mm-hmm it began with the autopsy. Nothing had been found that indicated poise name. Buy laudanum or any other agent. There was no morbid appearance in sub the intestinal canal. No fullness of the cerebral vessels no serious fusion every appearance that would have resulted from death by poison was wanting in the subject that of course was merely negative evidence but furthermore my chemical analysis had proved the absence of the poison in the system the opium odor could not be detected. Did I had tested for morphine. With nitric acid permeate of iron chrome eight the potash and most of all I- attic acid. Did I had tested again for Makoni acid with the permeate of iron. I had tested by LA signs process by do blane's and by Flanigan's as far as the resources of organic chemistry could avail. I had proved that notwithstanding the symptoms of Mr Mr Ratcliffe case before death death had not resulted from lodden or any other poison known to science the questions by the prosecuting counsel. As to my previous acquaintance with the prisoner I was able to answer truthfully in a manner that did not shake the force of my medical testimony and it was chiefly on the strength of this testimony that the jury after a short deliberation returned a verdict league of not guilty. Did I swear falsely no for science more me out in every assertion I I knew that. Not a drop of laudanum or green of morphine had passed through radcliff slips. Ought I to have declared my belief regarding the true because of the man's death and told the story of my previous observations of Miss Bourges case. No for no court of Justice would would've listened to that story for a single moment. I knew that the woman did not murder her husband yet. I believed in new as surely as as we can know anything where the basis of ascertained fact is slender and the laws obscure that she poisoned him poisoned him. I'm to death with her. Is I think that it will be generally conceded by the profession that I am neither a sensationalist. Then sation Royce nor prone to Lose Myself Command in the mazes of physio psychological speculation. I make the foregoing. We're going assertion deliberately fully conscious of all that it implies what was the mystery of the noxious influence which this this woman exerted through her is. What was the record of her ancestry? The secret predisposition in her case by what occult process of evolution did her glance derive the toxic effect. A puff haver some niffer room. How did she come to be a woman poppy? I cannot yet answer these questions perhaps I shall never be the able to answer them but if there is need of further proof of the sincerity of my denial of any sentiment on my part which might have led me to shield Mrs Radcliff by perjury. I may say that I have now in my possession a letter from her written after after her acquittal proposing to endow me with her fortune and herself as well as a copy of my reply respectfully respectfully declining the you've been listening to do the facts and the reckless case by Edward Page Mitchell. I've enjoyed being with you and now I must go but I hope hoped to be with you again soon. Please be well we care and be great. Thank you for listening to me

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117: VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL Our trade future with guest Dmitry Grozoubinski

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117: VOYAGE TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BARREL Our trade future with guest Dmitry Grozoubinski

"The Starlight lounge presents an evening with the progressive box. Let's you go tickling the ivories. He just saved by bundling home and auto progressive gonna finally by ring for that gal of yours. Hugo, send my condolences. This next one freed, there's. In my all, thank you. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Discounts on able in all states or situations. Hello and welcome to the last minute remaining acts night before the elections edition like a student, who's wasted the entire year on call of duty and delivery for frantically cramming. And trying to understand what's going to happen with luck, you'll be hearing this late on Wednesday night or early Thursday morning so we can give you last minute guidance on who to vote for, if not. Well, it's too late. Now I. I'm rose Taylor. And I've got two of our regulars here, Nina, Schick, writes and broadcasts on politics, Brexit, and disinformation for Bloomberg sky in the BBC and she's the one who coined the new name for post Brexit, Brinson reverse Turkey. What was leaving never quite managing it. Hina. If we get another vote he refers Turkey voting for Christmas. I think once were verse Turkey, we might be, you know, heading into dark places, so maybe we'll have a vote on whether or not to bring capital, punishment back, that seems like the kind of thing, reverse Turkey would want to vote on. Yeah. It's been a big week for on off the docks party funding. We'll talk about the Brexit party and pay pow later. But this week the Australian far right populist party, F, B, O got busted for planning to accept Russian dark money. What happened there? Well, this was a sting and the, the leader of the F peo-, the actually, vice chancellor of Austria got busted in a villa in a beatha willing to accept money from who we thought was a Russian oligarch billionaire. Now, find this was a staying, and it was investigative journalism at its finest, but this party has been accepting money from Russia pretty openly for the loss, you know, five or six well decade. They have a five-year cooperation agreement with leading party in Russia, where they get money. So it's not surprising. Really? There is Russian money all over this party. So as what you might cool competences supply, but it's even more crop office. Yeah. Also with us is, Ian dont editor of politics, stockholder, UK, who is basking in the glow of a successful Romania acts live in London last night. Palo in high was alive show. Apparently, there's power card, and you had to go totally unplugged. That's true. You know it was quite the boat. The cut was actually great attorney was less the square or something. But it was really nice because, as soon as it happened, which has soon the front of the stage and hosted of atmosphere, sort of change because suddenly people would just talking whenever they felt like can shouting questions and making jokes. And you're like well as soon as the technology fails, it becomes sort of joint endeavor. So actually, to build us the half where the power had gone was favorite Hof. Don't even go the audience to indicate their voting preferences by cheering. How did that go, but it was extremely scientific, and we can confirm now the way that the European actions gonna work out. It's going to be a landslide for dens and no one's gonna vote for labor or the Brexit body. You'd never have guessed interesting. Apparently you made a powerful case for prime minister Boris Johnson being good for remain why. That's frankly, a very cynical misquote from offered so forcedly case. Presenting. Bush. And I think I did a very job of making that proposition. Vaguely sort of convincing good. We have to mention milkshake week, even the words in the week was milk flake, which has like some kind of very Sochi coup. Flight in it. What do you say when people claim this is political violence, and don't complain? What do you do? They do. They have point tool. I, I didn't think it's first of all, we need to be clear about the things that we are discussing never seen so many pose clutched with, with such strength. And so, brutally, let's be clear if you assault someone. It's not. Okay if someone feels intimidated, by the things that you would doing to the point where they won't be able to make that statement with us at a protest or a speech. That's not. Okay. That is a separate thing to the tradition of humiliation, and disdain as expressed by throwing shits at politicians now, that is was rotten fruit. It was Inc. Edgewood heath, it was eggs for pretty much almost every prominent member of their labor party at some point loss. Before. Press go. It's not as if this is some everyone being oh my God. What has happened to our discourse on the phase nothing is happening. This is basically on the soft end. And this brother cynical attempt to sort of try and pretend that, that is a form of actual sews, or violence, or at its very worst. You've mentioned it even in the same fucking sentences. Joe cox. How dare they and that actually comes from a strategy. It is the strategy is used by the Brexit parties would have gone pain, and sort of the Royal tears, a whole, which is this sort of game of the ratio of sensitivity when it comes to anything to against then the demand is that they have to be extremely sensitive about the manner in which it has done, if you ask them, tough questions on Andrew more, that is the establishment coming down. If you have an investigation by an electoral commission that is nights of conspiracy. If you throw anything you do is not tolerable, but in terms of what they can fucking do they get to do whatever the hell they done. Well, please Najjar for goes around took my he's going to pick up his rifle he plays. This extrordinary game app thing as if he's warning about violence. What actually encouraging it, which is an almost instantly reflected by the treatment, predominantly towards women outside of parliament by extremely aggressive men who will clearly to stop their rights of free speech. So this whole game, I think Laura liberals aboard into oh, how terror we had a milk shake thrown. I've just got out any baffling from the star. It's a very exciting week, especially for trade, not and because our special guests is Dimitri grows. Wenski Australian trade negotiator at the WTO and founder of explain trae dot com which does what it says on the tin. It explains negotiations and trade policy. Liam folks, please add to your bookmarks. Dmitri is the man who told Marshall plan fantasist Daniel Kucharski MP that the EU is being very ungrateful, given the UK defeated, the Nazis at Stalingrad the Persians, Mythili and Saruman is healthy. Dimitri, unwelcome see remain the axe. Thank you. And let me say, I have never saved more pushback than not film Appalachia comment, because like the Persians one, but I didn't think that was the point of people were very, very passionate about it. The persian. They're angry. Absolutely. I got the everybody cracked open the copy of the three hundred. Comex. Face. He killed a giant, but they still lost. We don't hear much about trade anymore from the Brexit is, do we white ways that, sir? I mean, this is the thing you do when you don't. So what, what this effect drives me mental. So at some point, I will begin melting this microphone with she'll frustration. But what you get is you get. They will talk about trade right up until a minute. You push back in a way that they con- talk around by just blasting out vague platitudes will scientific terms at that point, they will take office that back and say, listen, the referendum wasn't about trade, which look I mean, people voted leaving remain for all sorts of different things. I've been very clear since I got into this hell scape that I'm off judgment on anything outside of my lane. I'm not a UK citizen. Not even any us citizen. Monique resident I'm essentially an alien sent from alpha centauri to be baffled by political. And so, and so they that, that is kind of fair enough. But it always begs the question if it's not about trade while you constantly on TV lying about the trade elements of them, and again I without waiting into the politics. It wasn't a ninety ten referendum where you could go. Yeah. Okay. Some wild promises were made about economics, but, you know, he was such a little. It was so close that to help people turn around and go, well, if we've been honest about the fact that from a trade perspective. This is one hundred percent downsides and has no upsides of any kind except ones we've imagined. And it'll be usually disruptive the idea that, that couldn't possibly have swayed enough people and therefore justifies like that lying doesn't matter is insufferable. But to answer, your question directly the reason you don't hear about it is that they've gotten to this point where the fact that the referee. Andom happened now justifies, the referendum, we no longer, even discuss whether Brexit is objectively, a good idea. That's not on the Brexit party's platform. Whether have one, but if they did it doesn't appear to be on it. What's on it is there was a referendum. We have to honor the verb the people, and so the trade elements, the national security elements the geopolitical elements. None of that matters anymore to them to the kind of mean they're placing because what they're trying to put front and center as people voted do you on that or not? That's why you don't hear about trade. Plus, we keep making fun of them. A very handy guide for journalists on how to interview people about trade, we will cherries on social media. And in the introduction, you say the field is packed with very confident, but utterly clueless chances who prey on the technical nature of the subject matters, despite a to nonsense lane with enough impressive-sounding terminology to appear credible. Did you have anybody in mind? Not in mine. I mean, this is this is kind of the, the whole Brexit trade debate in the Nacho, isn't it way? It's inevitably somebody out that talking about article twenty four of the GATT, an interview is sitting in front them going. Well, God I've read that. That's not right. But I mean, I don't know the nineteen forty seven Gat down to the sub paragraph, and I don't wanna look silly or bias by challenging this person getting dunked live on air. So I'm just gonna Fara my brow, and gnawed thoughtfully. Well, looking the slightest bit Julius to give me cover on the YouTube video, and then move right, pasta. It's you see it over and over again. I was in an interview with the leading intellectual of the pro Brexit trade movement. Shanka sangam we'll being interviewed and we love him. He's apparently very personable managed never been anything but lovely to me, but he was out that and he was he was asked the question a very direct question about a what? Cutting tariffs to zero on textiles would do to a very specific industry that the channel four I think it was had run a kind of second on before and he pivots to talking about trade defence and anti-dumping measures. And he's strings kind of these Sobel's again. And it's all I mean, what he was saying was broadly, factual, correct factually. Correct. It wasn't had nothing to do with the question. But it allows them to defuse this question into the aether of willow. Loud sounds hod an economist this agree about it. Let's just move right along. So I mean, no, no one tickle. We're going to return to our school twenty four later because I know. Dimitri is going to help us on pick. The elections maze loss. Try with the so-called lab was it WIP web, I think websites, better city. Therefore's more purpose. Yeah. Absolutely. And the latest in this information and astroturf thing, but first, a quick message from Nina, we debuted are very stylish and on trend ultra remainder range of mugs and t shirts at remain axed live in London last night. And we'll be making them available to existing patriot bekker's and new supporters very soon to sign up to support us on patriot. 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By Monday twenty-seventh of me. Yes, we've given you an extension just like Donald tusk. Thanks, nina. Okay. The deal is back except it's not the deal anymore. It's the web on Tuesday night. Theresa May made a big new offer in the withdrawal agreement, Bill and already everyone is briefing. That is definitely going to fail in wants new in the web. Is it definitely going to fail? Zuma Sunni unify went and fat. I think it's, it's looking increasingly not do that. We'll ever see it actually go through vote. It's going so badly right now. And so it wasn't you in it. There's, there's two parts of that. The first part is she got from his, his, she'd made various people in stock moon in there. So as you did the problem is the, the Brady prominence, which is, you know, the alternative things on the Buddha of law. Everyone's flying unicorns so chucks that in that with, with this sentence of and would have done it by the end of twenty twenty. And then when you look at the sentence crisis, we will seek to have done it by the end the twenties ego seek money. Maybe she's not actually going to chief this in reality. Lisa Nandy us on the labour benches. Who's this sort of real reconciled with Brexit sort of figure most of what she was demanding, which Komen's vote. Outlining the objectives of the feature trade negotiation, and having a vote on, on the outcome of it, it's pretty much international. There's a good thing to have charted in there. And, and then there were a couple of new bits. The new bits were some sort of customs something. Now, we saw the four options that it had milling around in labor, what we thought they were which streaming the confusing collection of belly articulated ideas, there were rumors that she was going to bring back the sort of customs partnership idea. She wasn't that explicit quite yesterday. It seemed like that's what she was talking about. She said look, we've got this we've had it for a while. We're gonna put it phone with they're going to be great because wasn't quite explicit about what it entailed. She is talking in the Coens as we record this, by the way. So she may have been more explicit by now. The ShinMaywa fucking have been and the second Paul them was the people's based stuff and the people who vote stuff. It's the classic sort of thing where she says the word that you wanna have room. And then when you look at what the broom and Vos you like if it was a part in your hands. In this case, it was, you know, on the Bill, I will put for us to have a vote on whether we have a referendum later. So you'll know the Bill does not enact a referendum. It's not a complementary, you know, measure anything that it is basically just saying, if you do this. We might be able to hundred days. Now, of course, it's worth remembering anyone can put down amendments a committee stage on do so the government isn't saying he's going to do this thing anyone pecan just put vote in the movement. This is where we want to refer. So she hasn't given them anything that they don't already have. He's like offering me more fingers, I have many things in the world that I want, but I didn't need any more fucking fingers market Bubby fund used to them. It's just community mean so that's basically what she gave him as a classic strategic error. She always makes she gets just a teeny bit over here, but not enough to get people on side. But more. So the says you news is people from the other side, because the so alienated, and they rotated by what she's done. Yeah. Because I thought Labor's position on a second referendum was shall we say nuanced? But. If you feel it seems to me that she's learning from from Jimmy Kuban, and who knows. Maybe that's a good thing Meena. She's also pledged a commitment to work as an environmental protection. Why would anyone trust that when her successor gold, he might be Boris Johnson? Can rip it up. Yeah. I mean why would anyone trust that? When her potential successors, have literally said they would on. On the they, you know, potential conservative PM's have talked about this ready and so it's meaningless. In fact, her entire statement yesterday was meaningless, I didn't even follow it to the extent that Ian didn't because I already. Well, we already knew what the top line would be. She's gonna make this appeal it's going to go down badly. And we are essentially in the same position, we have been since we finished the negotiations with the EU in November last year Dmitri if the sticking point is a fool MU customs union that the Tory right won't accept a, we have going to see solid proposals that they will accept or is it just no point now in trying to feed the beast, we'll just kind of unclear what the Tories will the hard, right? Tories one tout of this. Because if the position is we want absolute full control over UK trade policy forever. Then in addition to not being clear how they have a plan to sign free trade agreements, which are all about. Out binding, you'll control of elements of your trade policy. A customs union doesn't do that. But his fundamentally irreconcilable with what I think, layby by is trying to do which is to maintain kind of as close as they can possibly get it to friction less tower free goods trade with the continent. I think the bigger issue than can they find the votes for does, it's just not that good, Nigeria. I mean both of what they're looking at is just not great ideas from a trade perspective. So there really is nothing if there's nothing she can do to keep the on board. There isn't even the smallest chard said a few of them will come over and that's enough labor and peas will come over that she might push it through. Or do we thinking that will be that's out of the question in the beginning, the exact otherwise that sort of fleeing? I'm I don't see any movement from labor guys at see any movement from, you know, people vote labor types of people's very put out an Email shortly afterwards going point-by-point reputation. You're not going anywhere here Jimmy from the sort of Brexit reconciled labor. I also think that there's a stage here now where it even if it was a better proposition than it is a nurture it can work by virtue of it being her putting it folds. And that's really what you just think even though I have my sort of stasis instincts, or just thinking, constantly, the end result of which have been at school. We could is, we'll be the most boring possible thing that could happen, which is why she keeps on surviving and guiding, but she has to be an end point to that on it today this week. It started to feel like that this must be engaged now. And it's, it's the loyalist the traditional made Louis story, but is starting to the whispers. They're probably this nonsense thing to say, but it's I think it's fifty fifty whether she's prime minister by the time that we next recording upset. Wow. So seeming Boris Johnson takes over. And it looks more more likely will are we just going to slide along to know deal? Always he gonna turn everything around and through sheer force of will and personality and general Britishness bring us. Bring us to a deal that simultaneously, such as FIS, the G, the labor party, the and anybody else. Negotiated. That's exactly how it always works. Irreconcilable red lines and then somebody with a degree from Oxford, and the kind of accent, you automatically defense into the room comes in sees notched, an Infinity gauntlet, and the reality just reshapes around the toughness. Well recorded. That's one of the US China trade was going so well, because I mean Trump just through sheer art of the deal and toughness is just pushing it through, you guys will see I really goes, I'm worried about. Let's move onto those European elections. Voting opens. Tomorrow Thursday twenty first inmate I know about you. But I'm excited. I'm always excited. Even when it's going to be dreadful. I just love elections. We did. Excited when I see the car. We did it surprise hustings podcast last week with the key national remain parties. We had some feedback from listeners say, why did you have labor on? They're not remain party. Do think they had a point in. We can say that. I mean the labor is appealing for remain very way the Brexit while the pros. Najjar frogs pays lip service to it. But, you know, there's nothing that is not there is an argument about what neighbors policy is exactly. And though, I you know, I don't agree with this idea of its policy is I know obviously objectively literally is policy is Brexit. But the reality is that David doesn't exist as a unified organization. So it's at any one time, it's a sort of artificial time stamp who've wherever the internal struggle is, and the internal struggle has lots remains, and then you've got the candidates for loads of remains in lots of siege. You're going to sit there thinking, well who, who is it exactly that I want if there's going to be the Brexit guy or it's going to be enemies, towed, or Andrew donors? You're going to be night, well pretty United labor fest. What the thing comes down to. So whether that's not mine tension. I know that's not actually technically really what I think people should be doing. Do you think maybe needs to be towards a lesson in this election? Nevertheless, there are lots of people who are very credible who a hugely admired who do think that new be crazy. I think not to include them in the discussion, and then they have to be able to stand up and say why it is that remains should vote for them despite. Their leader. And whether policy is run out the Brexit's have lost people that have Brexit any cost remain as people that are remain. But here our milder Lewis he's here. The other concerns that I need that was playing because the two things that happened to quite close together that was playing on my mind when that exchange took place, except I mean, this is like if the Titanic had hit the ice bag, and I will running an election for captain. And one of the candidates refused to take a position on lifeboats really passionate about what the band plans. Passion for the band lie. Tombs sick of swing classics. We're sinking you need to make a decision about whether it's women and children fast will trade experts and I have a strong. The most recent polling from yougov puts the Brexit party on thirty seven percent. The lithium second on nineteen percents labor third thirteen percent and the conservatives fifth at seven percent below the greens. What should remain as be saying on Monday when the results come out and narrow Naito fraud is crawling all over the place. So I don't think you should be disheartened if the Brexit party comes first because they likely will we all know that Farraj is a bit of a, you know, it's the cult of firearms. So the fact that he's founded, this new self promotion vehicle. Look at it in the historical context how you did in two thousand fourteen they go twenty seven percent of the vote. And I think that, you know, they'll get a few points more this time around, but it is broadly in line with how he has performed in the past. Maybe a bit better that isn't enough to be this revolution that he's claiming is happening in middle in England like gardens and pups across middle England. Right now, the second point to make is that I hope that it sends a message to both labor as we've discussed in-depth on this podcast. And I think he'll send a message to the conservatives as well. Admittedly. It'll be the wrong message that they take from, you know, the wreckage they'll take that as an, you know, a signal for them to out pharaohs far. So why they have to become more. No dealey. They have to amp up the rhetoric on no deal. And the next prime minister is gonna be really throw Shas on his new deal rhetoric whilst I believe. So let's say we have a new prime minister pm Boris or rob. I don't think they actually want to trigger no deal, right? So they're just going to amp up the rhetoric whilst hoping that parliament in the end will save them from having to go there. But if that happens, then the chances of, you know, reverse Turkey or potentially even remain increase, maybe in the long run was the same sort of boat with with most of the figures. I mean, there's two ways of splitting remain leave or one of them is, you just get rid of labour, and the Tories together and just say, we don't know what these votes mean because this fucking with other took him though, so let's just ignore them. Green's plight us in P change. You. And on that basis, you get, I mean for comrades and yougov you get pretty much neck and neck, the remain parties, vessels Brexit, both for opinion, which is oppose his name that I just despise saying I wish they would quit. So just quit fucking opinion, rather than this anyway. That would give Brexit of seven point eight, according to today's, however, an interesting thing because if we'd have another a friend in that actual thing of excluding, the Tories and labour, doesn't actually really work. The truth is guys won't be voting. So if you put them in, and you treat the conservative voters as, as a toots, and with the labor voters as Romania's, which is not quite true for about one in four investors wouldn't about that. But it's generally sorta true the picture changes quite a bit. So then opinion puts them neck and neck, yougov gives a five point lead to remain and comrades gives him massive thirteen point lead to remain now, I know that this is digging down to try and find a time and then the rough of the I, I get that. But nevertheless, in terms of the it's very easy to sit watching TV. And just stop by those most to take on this. Idea that the country is just biting at the bit. You know for Brexit Brenton birth. But the truth is in the country, nothing has changed in this situation. What has happened is that we have seen the sheer extent of remains political leaders inability to work together and to construct an emotionally articulate effective message. And we've seen just how good they are at it. So in the next morning, the thing you should be asking yourself. What is it that we can do, if there is a second referendum to stop that shit from replaying? Speaking of the conservatives, which he would doing Nina. We'll talk about defecting Tory voters centered on Brexit betrayal. But Joan Harris retina interesting thing about disaffected Tory remains in the guardian this week. And he said it feels to me as if something is afoot akin to the mast waking up to the state of the country. The happened in nineteen Ninety-seven, only this time there is no universally popular political force that can mow Poppel. The exile is Tony Blair's Labour party did and we have seen, you know, we've seen a bit of a fightback from Tory remain as this week with Michael Hesseltine standing up again. And then, Matthew Perez said that he would vote lip Devon, and he thought any Tori remained should vote lip them. And this is John Harris. Roy are that really that many of these people, do you think I think there are many? I think was it. The words of one cabinet minister recently where he said, if you go anywhere whereas, you know, a potential voter has books on their shelves and they're. Don't go to. They're not going to be voting for us. But I do think the conservatives will pivot more towards the Brexit party. And I think that this is a mistake that labor is making as well. Right. So that the conventional wisdom that it's working class labor who like really support the Brexit vote. And therefore they, they can't become more of a party over Mainers. I think the data shows that that is factually incorrect. It's actually kind of the upper middle class kind of Tory voters who are more Brexit t- than the lower working classes, and is just to follow on the point of what in just said, you know, there's I don't think the country has seismically changed when it comes to public opinion on Brexit, if anything were split right down the middle. And the question is, how do you mop up the remain vote in a current and successful way? And these elections are very much going to be a demonstration of the fact that, that doesn't currently exist post Olsen pivoted a little bit too, not quite remains, but certainly the less extreme wing of the Tory party. This week that feeling that amber Rudd in particular might be falling into line behind him. You know almost almost as if they were accepting the inevitable and just trying to change his mind, rather than anything else. But you you're not you're not convinced that Boris would definitely go for not law. You. I'm not convinced of that. I mean Boris is ultimately out for himself and despite all the bravado of, you know, weaken stomach on odeal Brexit. And then the you will come back negotiating to us. I mean Dmitri is the. Once we're on fire. They'll be out. Exactly. It's amazing. How cavalier politicians are about this fine. But I think the realities of what actually happens if we go into deal. Brexit archery and borsch Johnson and the other cabinet ministers will have been briefed on this extensively. Not only by the treasury, but also in terms of, like national security, you know, it could be uttered Sastre I mean I'd love to, I don't think he would really be willing to take us there, because I think then that is a conservative party finished. And he, he will be finished after that we go into such on chartered political territory is very difficult to see how PM Boras who takes us over the cliff into no deal. Brexit, emerges, victorious as Churchillian candidate that he's always imagined himself to be what do you think would happen in the event of a note? He'll look I mean obviously, you're GDP would increase by about twelve percents of God. Patrick men for the article about. And he's very confident. I think let's focus on the negotiations with the EU because I think that's a really important question. Why now the base advantage. The UK actually has in negotiations with the EU is that the EU has a preference for smooth off ramp. The UK and a you a traveling on a bus in the highway, the UK has decided to get off this highway and the EU wants to minimize this reaction to themselves in that businesses when that happens if answer, there's an inclination anything that the negotiating is detracting from a status core, there a way things work. Now there's a way things will work in the future. That way will be more limited. And so you kind of pulling away from something that exists, once you go over the cliff edge. And the AU is under trade law on just what they will do is review, you back to cheer rules and take away that status core. Then negotiations begin not from a place of where you guys are today, but where you'll be on that day, which is bloody nowhere. So there's all of these assumptions of light. Well, we'll do. Yeah, we'll do this FTA and we'll immediately. Well, of course, we'll get tariff complete tower free access. If I'm an Asian ago, she had on I'm sitting across the table. I'm going why it's one thing to continue existing arrangements, and roll them smoothly from one thing to another nothing's changed. But if you yank that steering wheel left crash off the little railing on the highway and their plummeting into the undergrowth the idea that they will just begin the Goshi actions as if you'll still cruising along by that side is very optimistic. Sir. You know, on people keep inviting me for meetings, and they leave more depressed when they sat down a swear. I'm a fun person. Everyone in the room just loft. And then this. And a single tier is rolling slowly down my cheek. But as what will happen in Niger, I think if you look it Theresa May's plot, and it's very hard to describe like, if she was a character on, like, game of thrones and had survived, as many travails that she had you'd be like they're really moving away from Georgia, Amman's you sneeze, and you get something head kind of ethos. But on this whole time is that none of these people, especially in the but including boss Johnson, whose somewhere in the middle wants to be driving this bus, jarring note, nobody wants to be responsible for Brexit day. Because it'll either be not as good as they promised or really, really bad. And like Anzani ends, right? To say it could be fifty fifty chance on any given day at some point that runs out. And then some point one of them goes, you know what I'm gonna roll the dice on this and hope hope I've built up enough raisins to blame her that. I can survive being the one at the wheel before we move on. Let's go back to the Brexit parties fundraising, and it's interesting social. Media behavior for a minute. The electoral commission has rated sorry visited the party's age accu- after Gordon Brand raise concerns over the legality of the party's funding. It's been receiving gifts of under the legal notification fresh holder, five hundred pounds via paper, which critics claim is fishy. Brown also said the European parliament should look at the disclosures last week. The fraud should received about four hundred and fifty thousand pounds from Aaron banks when he was supposedly skinned and earlier this week BuzzFeed noted the Brexit. Potus Twitter behavior is old to say the least with brand new accounts, pumping out high volumes of messaging about nothing but Brexit. It's strained for hours of the day this matters because unless you tell Twitter twenty show you tweets in Dato order from the people who follow it will throw Nigel Farage and the Brexit parties atop, your feet based on the number of re tweets and likes they post get I switched this week. And it was just such a relief suddenly Niger fraudulent Brexit party went away and yeah, it was a huge relief. And if you look at those retweets that they're making an amazing number seemed to be from. Count that want to make America great again. Who arguably don't have a law invested in Brexit? So does the Brexit parties funding dodgy because lots of campaign is take pay Powell on all sides of the argument, does the Brexit parties funding, look Geneina, because lots of campaign is take PayPal, if it's definitely dodgy anything, the European Commission is looking into a given that the electoral commission doesn't have the resources or the time to look into it. Yeah, I just got to finish myths to fill that it is dodgy. I'm going to go out there and say it looks dodgy Russia has formed for this across Europe, what sort of evidence is there of them interfering in Britain. There's those of evidence that Russia into feared, not only in Britain, but across the world, we know that Russia interfered heavily in the twenty sixteen referendum, they interfere by not only by pushing so at the time, they wouldn't have just pushed for Brexit, but they push for maximum confusion. Right. So you so. Dischord they fund for right? Parties, far left parties, all across Europe. This is known documented it's been going on for years. And that's because it's not like it's a huge secret in twenty twelve. Ladimir Putin publicly came out, made a huge speech and said that the e u was an existential threat to Russia and tears idea of Eurasian customs union. So Russia has when Russia funds parties in Europe, again, it's important to remember that it's across the political spectrum, and they do this, in many ways, either through business loans, Bank loans, think tanks only guards who you meet, and villas in a beatha, etc. Etc. And what's the background to is maintenance payments from banks? Could he be in breach of your you parliament roles so okay? First of all the European parliamentary president, Johnny since it to this advisory committee, which is sort of watchdog the kind of payments that any peace, get they declared as the transport declared to events. I don't know the details beyond that of how those rules Oprah it seems that it would be on the face of it pertinence to those questions. But then maybe details that escaped me are thought the figures in channel four's viscous, we're extraordinary. Which is the scale and I knew this is an obvious point. But especially when you spend three is being cooling, elitist by these guys, and it turns out that you just being all my mates. Give me thirteen grand a month to live in Chelsea thirteen crowds of fucking water now because it extrordinary his driver and car in these, these trips to the US. It's a scared of it. I was genuinely surprised by just how much money was being sent to him by banks auto Veritas day. You know, it's just makes payments because I was trying to sort of, and you think or this is on top of his one hundred I think too euro thousand year. Oh, any peace Alary, which I think has been slashed in half because he was breaking the rules, do it spending. And, and he I think he made seven hundred grand over the course of a thing for years in terms of media repair Ince's dinner. How much you getting paid more by the fucking BBC than I am. Many of the guys go taking lots of money. And of course, by general four doing this thing, going Britian, the fussing the Brexit party did was just banned them from attending their events, this classic Trump sort of schoolbook thing. And I think quite a dispiriting spent scoff twins of not many other media outlet showing enough, sorta Dougherty and still covering the events despite the fat, but one of their colleagues have been excluded. I think they've now let's channel fullback and channel four very kind again, to interfere rich Thais tonight. So we we're going to looking forward to. Yeah. Nina our listeners a probably adept to this by now. But was he tells for dodgy propaganda account on Twitter? A dog picture string of Niro's or hashtag MAGA. Yeah. All of those, but so they, they can often tell with these accounts, depending on when they were created, and if they are obsessed with certain topics, so those are often kind of troll account. I mean, maybe we would count as well tweeting about Brexit. But, you know, when it's twenty one thousand tweets in account that was basically founded just when the Brexit party launch convenient and all of those twenty one thousand tweets since then has been about pro Brexit propaganda than you're probably looking at a false account. They're pretty easy to setup. And for all of kind of Twitter's. For all of Twitter's mea culpas saying we're cracking down on the stuff. It's actually really hard for them to do it. You know what you location. You can't tell what people are base where these account, so it's, it's super super easy to say setup fake Twitter accounts. And I think that we all need to be aware that this exists than exists massively. You can buy them you can buy followers. You can wait. What? So this kind of a to, I mean, if you just want to look at it from a really cynical marketing kind of angle, you know, kudos to them in some kind of awful way because they know how to position themselves as this kind of life force of British politics and oldest astroturf ING is definitely old hype around the Brexit parties working in because of a lot of the kind of wall just marketing ploys that they're doing that. The other political parties aren't. They definitely have lots of the just human beings behind some of this counts, because I've been at the bottom of one of their parlance for the last two days, and they are so magnificently fucking stupid that I can guarantee they on Milton machine. This week's show comes with the sport for way, creators of first class luggage at standard clause. Prices away was founded by two friends who found themselves stuck at JFK with dead phones delayed flights, but it gave him an idea for luggage with power. 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The do they the WTO has a director, general and some deputy director generals. But then not in charge of the rules that are in charge of the institution and taught to the secretariat, and this certainly not in the business of expressing opinions on legal matters of kind of domestic substance inside the UK, that's actually, the loss thing from them mines. But what is the current state at the WTO that we will be relying on when we go for no deal? Has Donald Trump, succeeded in, in deep powering it, or is it still a fairly fairly influential world organisation. I think it certainly an influential organization in what it's actually four, which is to maintain the status quo of the agreed rules, while the Trump administration has started diverging from the more and more. They are at least trying to rely on the rules of the organization that self even without twisting them in order to do, sir. They're not just kind of saying up yours and going their own way they are using legal loopholes. And ju- Bs national security findings to say, look, yes, where diverging from the spirit of the roles and the letter of the roles and some would say the rules, but we are doing so in a way that is at least considering without legal obligations. So from that affect, I mean is the UK joining an organization, the absolute fundamentals of which, which is to lock in tariffs at broadly grade levels to trade completely falling apart. Nor is that going to be really shop drop from the world's most integrated regional trade agreement. Yes. The Brexit problem in Britain is that we put complex trade issues in front of an audience sword. Ordinary voters who couldn't be expected to understand them. But now insists that they did understand them. Is there a concise way to sum up, what Brexit would mean British trade? The listeners can use in the power or over Sunday lunch. With their parents, one that doesn't rely on saying you don't understand this. No. I don't think people should be throwing you don't understand this in, in anybody's face. There's frankly, no reason people should understand this. It's incredibly complicated the way, I tend to fall back on describing it is that picture? You are trying to sell insurance or even sell apply to someone in Venezuela from London. Imagine the paperwork requirement. Imagine the costs. Imagine the logistics. Imagine all of the bureaucracy around that. And how hard that is to navigate the EU project on from a trade perspective has. Has been to chip away at that nightmare over the course of many years until it is, as easy to sell all products and many, many services, far more than any free-trade agreement has ever done to somebody in Paris, or Lisbon from London, leaving the U revert back, it might not revert all the way back to Venezuela. If you guys can avoid no deal that, frankly, the way you're going. Buy canned goods, but whatever it is, it'll full significantly significantly short of that and for the UK that's, especially problematic for two reasons, so many of your businesses rely on their business models for this integration into Europe. If you go back and look at the way the UK was promoting itself as a business centre like a week ago, you look at every page of the brochure and it's like we speak English. We have a legal system that kind of make sense. Our government's pro business before we let Boris Johnson front of a microphone. And we aren't into Europe on every single page. We are you doing to Europe? We go at into Europe European Europe and you'll dismantling and that's a huge problem. And your second problem is that your services economy, and you're increasing their services. Call me you might be the first major economy on for him services as an export become larger than goods among like major industrialized economies. That's crazy. And that's really problematic. Because free trade agreements and services a garbage you never get. Any access the four freedoms, so ridiculously unique and incredible to have been changed, and everything else has so far short of that unity, yourselves, real damage to really the hot of your future prosperity. So no, there's no it. Just to deal, China and Australia in India. Right. Right. They'll be. Can we talk about article twenty four just very briefly? This magic. This magical article of the WGN boroughs is it's seventy back on the agenda. Thanks, the Brexit party. We've mentioned this before. But can you remind our listeners what it is? And why it's nonsense because they keep on talking about it. Sure, sir article twenty four of the general agreements on tariffs and trade GATT to us. Try nuts. You can't say it, but I'm flashing gang signs at an as most bonding having more. Having a more man. He's actually in the crypt walking up and down is the part of trade law, that lets you have free trade agreements, I'm customs unions or narrowly, the whole point of the WTO was that you treat everyone the same you treat every country every country's goods the same way, as you do every other country bought article twenty four allows you to have a kind of exceptions to that. If you have a full and comprehensive free-trade again, like a serious one. The reason Brexit tears Cape bringing it up. Is there a provision in there that says, look, if your on your way to a free trade agreement like most of the way Don, you know what it's going to look like, but you're not quite ready to implement it, yet you can come to WGN membership and say, look, here is the free trade agreement. I'm going to have. Here's my schedule for implementing it I would like to put it into place bits of it now. So, for example, a lot of the tariff reductions now, and then we will tell you about our four free trade agreement when that's done. So. Have somehow transpose that into if the U K and a you have no deal then depending on your level of crazy as a kind of hard, right? Brexit Tia that even means the UK can invoke this magical article like a scroll of compel person to force the issue, not a charge tariffs on UK goods, or it means that somehow the AU will do what it has constantly underpaid. Lee said it won't Dir, which is to then go, okay? Well, in that case, we instantly put in place, an interim trade agreement that eliminates all towers. I mean it's stupid because festively the is not going to do it. And Secondly as trade. Nuts have tried to explain for now two years across every single medium, except interpretive dance. Because trust me. You don't wanna see. The tariffs on not like of all of your problems stemming from Brexit. And Lord knows there are a few. Many of them are on my website. Viteri are part of it. But in fact, they just one component that happens hit some industries hot and others the paperwork, the loss of services access. All of these other things are huge and article twenty four dozen cover them and it can't cover them. So we're services based economy, and that's gonna make things difficult under at WTO rules. So what would our economy have to look like to prosper under WTO roles? How would our industrial base have to change? It's a cer-. In the side where you'll you have wer. You've reverted back to wwl roles with your. Yeah. No deal. Having new not all happened. And let's kind of ignore the fast say, however long it takes to like, you know, the water stops running, because it turns out that the filtration liquid required is made in a in a factory in Portugal, and its stock in a queue in Calais that runs for sixteen miles. Let's kind of set that nightmare aside and say it's three years from now you've got an economy. Ideally, what you would want to do is then try to rebuild as much of what you have in the u as possible, and try to create an industrial base where it still makes sense. If you are assembling a complex piece of machinery, like say medical equipment. And you wanna source a bit of it from Germany, and a bit of it from Portugal, and then say assembled the whole thing in the UK you, you wanna create conditions with where you can do that. That's going to be really hard because fastly the issue's always going to have more frictional. Straight internally than it will with a free trade agreement or customs union partner, and Secondly, day frankly, don't have a lot of incentive to help you. You're the second thing you want to do is look, London's always going to be a financial hub. It's always going to be, it's always going to be a big center financial services legal services. The EU has every incentive to start bleeding off some of that into its own centers by making it. Incrementally more difficult for you to provide the savage says into Europe to ensure things in Europe to provide banking services into Europe. What have you legal services into Europe? But London as a huge financial sector can still thrive just to a lesser extent. By continuing to offer those services to those who want to trade into the UK to the big economy, but also to the rest of the world since it's not. I mean, this is this is it's, it's I mean this is Romania axe. So I know I'm supposed to pretend that the island will sink into the say the in a way. It's a problem with the debate that we've gotten there that we're talking about the. Orlands in into the say they issue is this is going to make things worse for the UK on every single trade. Mecham. You can still prosper like you're calling me will still grow just more, slowly. And with a huge amount of disruption for ordinary people who, frankly, don't deserve it. Speaking of, of the economy, a British still went into liquidation today, partly because of a slump in orders from the EU, and Niger for is immediately claim that the emissions trading scheme was to blame and Britain could bail out the company anyway, if it weren't for EU state-aid rules, other than that's quite true. But you can tell is there anything in at all in that argument on not an expert on British Steel or the EU emissions trading scheme. Neither is he. What I would say is, whether you're in the AG will not the AU has an emissions trading scheme. And if that determined, what depreciated their demand for steel. I mean, this is this is kind of this is the whole issue behind Brexit. Right. Whereas if you find a U regulations annoying, then post Brexit you will still have to deal with them because you're in the heart of Europe and Europe is the center of gravity of this continent in this region. But now you will no longer be in the room to veto the most kind of out their demands. All of the so if his point is, yeah, the emissions trading scheme killed British Steel while I don't necessarily buy that. But now the next e u emissions trading scheme, you steals representatives weren't, even being the room to say. Hey guys, do you wanna maybe think about what this is going to do to our community? Is there a way we can shape this that gives us a smoother all on? What are you talking about? State aid rules. I mean nice just making it up as far as I can tell. I think that's the case because plenty of European countries, protect their companies companies, they want to protect in that way. How likely do you think the no delays right now in sort of give it can you give it a percentage? Would you like to do that? Or would you. Oh, god. I'm not sure addictions. Business. I've been getting everything wrong. Directly away from minds thing. My concern is always think there's a Lou transit happens on Pappas, but a worryingly high chance, it happens by accident or it happens not as a hybrid of the two where for example, you could imagine a scenario where future prime minister wants to have no dealers okay with having their deal, but doesn't want to be the one to push the button. So what they do. Let's just to pick a name. Let's just call him be Johnson. Are that's obvious Boris. Jay, what they do is, for example when it comes to October and where the UK's inevitably often for another extension. He could just make utterly unrealistic demands. He could say condition it on the a you dropping the backstop or something, the EU internally bulks at that request says nor and he can turn around to the public. I look, I didn't want no deal house for Panton ingratiate bought the didn't wanna come to the table that is my current nightmare scenario where it kind of happens without it being anybody stated. Active by as David Andre would site by automatic application of law. Well Dmitri, what's most important aspect of the trade issue that people should take away? It's hard. You're. When you guys doing. You're maniacs shots. If you want to subbranch, try just print out across on birth sides. You're playing with decades long agreements that underpin aspect of the economy. Nobody's even thought about, there was a story a couple of months ago where one of the Brexit planning departments. And as I understand it ninety percent of UK citizens are currently working for Brexit planning department, discovered that the pellets that you K export is used the wooden boxes that they use weren't going to be compliant with a you law anymore and nobody could ship anything. I mean, this is the kind of things where like I'm at I'm at traffic's. But I'm paid to think about this stuff. It would have it didn't academy at eight occurred to others who work in that specialized area. It's literally like you've got the finest Swiss watch, and you just truck on rocks at its mechanism without knowing what's going to happen, next. So. The biggest thing to understand is firstly. There are no easy answers to this. None of this stuff is magic, and as a general rule, the fundamental principle of trade negotiations integration is that you want to be integrating to make things together. That is why NAFTA exists that is why the African content of free trade area grit exists. That's why mex- swipe the EU exists, if you think of the, the capacity is us, if you think about the economic strength of the US why they so powerful comically was a bunch of reasons. But one of them is that you can combine New York capital with California IT with manufacturing in the mid west, and you can pull all of those, and you can create products that are able to draw on all of those sorts of comparative advantage and compete globally in a way that say, Wyoming by itself, couldn't or even California by itself would struggle to that, that massive strength is an. Asset the EU does that by merging UK know-how with Portuguese Portuguese know-how with German manufacturing techniques, moving away from that runs directly, contrary to everything. We have learnt about what you can do with trade policy to make people's to make countries more prosperous, and to create better jobs. That is the fundamental issue. There's no getting around that fact. That's pretty. Thank you. I was yesterday. That's true for pm. Consummate what? The end of the show is here, and that means something else for the Brexit time capsule. Dmitri grows of Inskeep whispering into our blast proof chamber of stuff will need if we ever leave the. I think you should stick in this someone that can take the issues role as the cause of all of your problems, especially the ones you felt. In other words, this fairy animal that yeah, yeah. And now here's Keith brand without closing European language clip in German Ville, Nate dusted Brexit. So Einem end the calmed, father's done, kind of remain yaks Meg Eben fit that means I don't want Brexit to end because then there will be no more 'Romania axe, long Keith do owned a hats and we have an IMF addicts design Guinot, vian friends, we need your European language clips record something short, and moderately clean on your phone, and send it to us at info at Romania extra com will use the best ones, and that's the end of the show. Dmitri goes, Vince ski, thanks for coming on Romania. Are you looking forward to an exciting summer of trade negotiation starts? If it ever starts. 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NPR News: 07-30-2019 1AM ET

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04:56 min | 1 year ago

NPR News: 07-30-2019 1AM ET

"Support for this podcast and the following message come from American pest open your doors who a healthy pest free home with American pest offering safe environmentally friendly pest control solutions throughout the D._m._v. for over ninety years learn more at American American past dot net live from N._p._R.. News in Washington. I'm Giles Snyder Northern California. Police are still trying to determine what caused a nineteen year old gunman to kill three people and wounded dozen some others at the popular Gilroy garlic festival. The shooter was killed by police imperiously. La Bottle has the latest on the investigation then men killed a thirteen year old girl a man in his twenties and a six year old boy Gilroy town some thirty miles. Hails from San Jose is still reeling from the attack and there are few answers as to why Gilroy police chief Scott Smith he said in a news conference that the investigation would take a long time that this was a roundabout but again. We've got a long way to go before we can come to a determination Asian. What is what is motivational shooter nineteen year old from Gilroy Purchasing S. K. S. an assault style rifle from neighboring Nevada on July ninth? We're gun. Laws are much less restrictive than California. Police are still trying to determine if a second person breath involved Leyla N._p._R.. News Gilroy president trump is offering his condolences to the victims of the shooting at the garlic festival will continue to work together as communities and as citizens to stop evil prevent. Prevent violence and protect the safety of all American President Trump speaking Monday in the Rose Garden as he signed a bill ensuring nine eleven compensation on never runs out of money he appeared with first repealing purse responders by aside Congress passed the bill after delays by some Republicans exposed lawmakers to criticism from activists including Comedian Jon Stewart The C._e._o.. Of capital one is apologizing for the data breach that exposed personal information for more than one hundred million cap one credit applications C._E._O.. Richard Fairbanks says he's committed to making it right and grateful. The alleged hacker has been caught. Authorities have charged a Seattle area woman named Page Thompson. She's been charged with a single count of computer fraud and abuse capital. One says it will offer free credit monitoring services to those affected U._S.. Trade negotiators will be in Shanghai this week for talks with their Chinese counterparts. N._P._R.'s Scott horsely reports. These are the first face to face negotiations since the two countries agreed to restart talks last month. The ongoing trade war between the U._S. and China has depressed commerce between the countries U._S.. Exports to China were down more than thirty percent last month compared to a year ago while imports from China were down nearly eight percent U._S. U._S.. Negotiators are angling for big changes in China's behavior but last week president trump here to play down expectations. I don't know if they're gonNA make a deal. Maybe they will maybe they will. I don't care because we're take it in tens of billions of dollars worth of tariffs trump boosted. Boosted tariffs on some two hundred billion dollars worth of Chinese imports after talks broke down in May economists say the bulk of the tariff cost is paid by American businesses and consumers Scott Horsely N._p._R.. News Washington and you're listening to N._P._R.. N._P._R.. News a big storm in the Pacific has become a hurricane. The National Hurricane Center is upgraded Eric to hurricane saying it has maximum sustained winds of seventy five miles per hour forecasters. I say the Hawaiian Islands can expect a rough surfin stronger rip currents by the middle of the week but that the storm appears likely to weaken when it passes south of the islands forecasts are also keeping an eye on tropical storm flossie which could approach Hawaii. Early next week British Prime Minister Boris Johnson says he's confident he can talk European Union leaders in Brussels into giving Britain a new withdrawal agreement but imperious Joanna Kakissis reports from London that e you leaders are refusing to negotiate a new brexit deal during a visit to Scotland Borsch Johnson told reporters that he would do everything possible to get a new deal. I won't us to engage to hold out the hand to go the extra mile each one thousand miles but many don't trust him in Scotland which voted to remain in the E._U.. He was booed. Nicholas Sturgeon who leads Scotland's semi-autonomous government told reporters that despite Johnson's conciliatory words in reality he's really pursuing.

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 4/30/20--Guest Alan Denkenson

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

52:12 min | 9 months ago

Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 4/30/20--Guest Alan Denkenson

"Maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the Jason Beam. Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host. Jason Be Iran at a good Thursday morning. You are welcome into the Jason Morris Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires happy to be with you here on this Thursday final day of April as we head to the first Saturday in May which this year is just The first Saturday in. May It's IT'S THE ARKANSAS. Derby Card is a pretty welcome alternative to the lack of Kentucky Derby and of course there was big news out of Churchill. We'll talk about that in. Just a second seemed like was a lot of racing news coming out yesterday In terms of places returning including couple of the biggest circuits and so we'll touch up on all of that towards player. Thursday we're walking Alan Dickinson who We've had on the show before back on the bed. America show but it's been like three years or so I think we had Alanon and I thought it would be kind of fun. I've been Allen's on Zoom Chat group that I'm on every basically every night. I usually take Sunday Monday off. Because those are my busy days and nights prepping for interviews and doing stuff for the show but during the week hours and finishing up you know at dinner time and then I can do the chat at night so it works out good and You know we a lot of lot of Sharon stories. A lot of talking about the news a lot of just You know having someone to hang out with and and digs telling all these great gambling stories and said well. Why don't we? Why don't we do a LO- interviewer? We share some old Gambling stories meeting spent a professional better for decades. And I thought you guys might enjoy that and like I said a little change of pace I mean we. We could sit and talk about exact a ticket structure every week. But I figured it'd be fun to do a little a little storytime I will. I will say I was thinking about. Exact ticket structures. I watched a race at will rogers and I think that you know we always we talk a lot about betting structure and I think that you know the cost of your ticket versus how much you're getting and you know your odds to one on each ticket is always something important to think about. But I feel like with exact sometimes even more so because you have the will pays and you have to utilize those I think to strengthen your wagers that what got me. Thinking about it was there was a race at will rogers. I think it was Tuesday where there was a big favourite and I thought kind of logical second choice and they looked on paper. I thought pretty a lot better than everybody else and I thought about like what this would be an easy race to just box these two and they're going to run one too so I looked at the whale pays the favorites four to five or even money in the second choices like three two one maybe maybe seven to two and then there was like one of their horse at six to one and then just a ton of horses tend to one to twenty one and a few big big bombs so I look at the wheel pays twinspires.com which of course they give you the probables I should say and It was paying eight bucks for a two dollar combination If it came in favorite second choice and I think it was paying eleven dollars if it came in second choice over favourite for two dollar bets. So you're getting three to one and ninety two for those various exact accommodations and so I thought about it. I'm like Oh okay but I said my initial thought was while these two. You got a box it right and then I realized that a box if it comes in favorite over second choice a box now gets me even money which is basically what. The favourite is to win anyways. So I'm getting the same amount back for just having that horse win but also needing a second horse to run second if that Combo comes in obviously if the other one comes in now I'm getting eleven dollars for four dollars some getting you know what three two two little more than that to five and it just it brought me back to that all important point of being aware of you know. Sometimes simpler is better. Sometimes a win bet ends up being better than the way you structure your exact and with exact is the minute you start adding more than a couple of horses underneath. Even if it's a you know a single on top or you know you start getting to where you know you have a twelve dollar ticket which is like a four horse box. You have a twelve dollar ticket. That say pays fifty bucks or something. I mean that's still three and a half to one and you needed to horses to run one two and and you know again. Don't on the field don't know the prices and all that but just giving an example of you know exotic wagers post to be more difficult to hit. You're supposed to get rewarded more for when you hit him. And I just I think at all important lesson to remember. It was just something that came up. Yesterday we talked about it all the time. I'm sure some of you out there rolling your eyes like Oh come on talk about. Barbara's birthday talk about something else. I did think about Barbara. Yesterday at his birthday I remembered watching his Kentucky Derby from my booth at river downs my first year over there. Two thousand six and We had finished. It was so weird being on the east coast. Because I've always I've watched every derby of my life on the West Coast until that point and it was always like three in the afternoon and this time it was six thirty or whatever it is Audi so we were already done with the day's races. Everybody was waiting around for the Big Derby and borrow mix that big move on the terror takes off her home. I was listening to Luke. Cripe BAAS CAL. Bairo ed bed that by three Ad Barbaro wins. It has Bairo top super bowl performance but It was an awesome performance at Barbara story was part of that for Saturday in May documentary Wasn't a huge part of it. Which is a great documentary. If you haven't watched that I highly recommended. I believe the Hennigan brothers or the gentleman who made it the kind of follow it around four or five different groups on that Derby trail. Sharp humor was one You know I I. It's been a while since I've seen it but I it's really a neat following of the path and the ups and downs and the heartbreaks that are the derby trail and you know Barbara was obviously heartbreak in the preakness and in in the subsequent months but man was he impressive on that day in in two thousand six when he won the Kentucky Derby and he just took off like a rocket on the turn and the minute they strayed away. It's like he just put them away with just he just looked so good coming through the stretch would've loved and seeing you know what a healthy Barbara with that preakness would have been like? Well obviously never get to know that history is what it is but but barbro very very cool in in my book. I think he's just one of the the neater horses we've had in the sport in the last many years so as I said we're going to talk to Al Dixon Tomorrow. We'RE GOING TO BE. Very Arkansas. Derby centric with our weekend preview. Each of the guys. The jury are GonNa Preview one of the bigger three races with me The undercard is massive. I'm going to do a whole special Friday afternoon Saturday preview. Show for that I'll talk a little bit about some of those racist tomorrow but it's It's all Arche Derby all day tomorrow very much looking forward to that so announcements in the world of racing Sure a lot of people know and this is all just coming out an hour or so before I was recording but according to Darren Rogers who was the Churchill downs? Pr Andy Bashir has come forward and said that he is You know part of their An openings or whatever you WANNA call it is is the fact that Churchill is going to be allowed to open the back side on May eleventh. There was some talk that it might been May fourth which is coming up this money but it'll be a week from Monday may eleventh Obviously everything is subject to change given news or trends or anything like that but You know the the the news I think additionally looked like everybody was like Oh. We're to be racing may eleventh. I think that's not the case. It's the backside it's going to be opening may eleventh. A lot of horses will be coming into Churchhill. Pretty fit whether they're running at Arkansas or other places or if they've just been training somewhere else but I would still think there will be a few weeks of a gap between when racing starts. I I don't know that I'm guessing. Would think that they would probably love to have a memorial day opening weekend but does Memorial Day. You know as far as the holiday weekend I mean. Does it carry the same racing schedule importance that maybe it would normally because so many people aren't at work or working from home and I I don't know I I don't know I don't know what a holiday is in the world of you know post quarantine so We'll see you just normally. You would think that would be a good weekend. That they would shoot for for a reopening. But we'll certainly hear more about that in the coming days and weeks but I think for a lot of people. It was just excitement that there was some kind of a positive news moving forward about the resumption of horse racing at some of our major circuits. Of course naira I mean maybe an hour beforehand had released a statement governor. Cuomo on Friday and I know if somebody you hate any kind of Cova talk but this racing covert talks palm down out there but Governor. Cuomo had come out and said that he doesn't see how you're going to have live people torch track at Saratoga. And what have you and. I don't know I'm surprised. People have even been thinking that live events with big crowds is going to happen this year. At all I've said that I don't think it will. I think it might vary from state to state. I think some places might open up certain events. I mean racing as an outdoor live attendance sport. If there's a moderate crowd leaden it's kind of easy to space out. Generally the grounds are very expansive. Generally places fee stand on the Apron and I mean if you talk about a Saratoga you let in three or four thousand people I think people can coexist with a six feet barrier. But you know anything more than that. It's going to be pretty tough. If that's social distancing we're still doing later in the summer which I would guess that. We are naira kind of their press release. They gave Governor Cuomo his props and talked about what they're trying to do. In terms of continuing racing it says naira seeking to resume live racing at Belmont Park in the absence of fans so racing with no fans and they've prepared operating plans follow the same model Saratoga so it sounds like their plan. Going forward is just no fans. I don't know why the move to Saratoga if you're not doing fans other than because I mean it's obviously not going to have the same economic benefit to go up there with nobody there but I mean from a race. Watch your standpoint. I mean a simulcast watcher. Mike will help great. I love watching racing. Saratoga you know maybe there is still some economic benefit to go up there. Maybe Belmont needs arrest for a little while. I mean you don't want to be running seven straight months. Belmont you eat up the turf. Course what have you so it sounds like they're making plans to to run Belmont and to go to Saratoga whether it's the same exact dates of course we'll find out but and then Santa Anita was the final one to note that they are releasing their condition book today for a probable or actually. I shouldn't say problem for a hopeful may fifteenth opening. They don't have any confirmation or at least they didn't announce any that that was Okay by local health authorities but Aidan Butler of Santa Anita kind of made it sound as though. Hey look if we're going to you know be open. We have to be planning and ready. And since they are a retraining it makes sense to have a book in place and I suppose that you could always push a book back a week or two and keep it somewhat. You know honest. That book obviously trainers who were training to have a horse. Peaking at a certain date Are are thrown off a little bit if that is the case but You know I think I think it was a good day in terms of hearing and seeing about racing resuming sometime in the near future and as I've kind of said I think late May is going to be a target for a lot of folks and I think Kinda standing by that comment and I even Daiei called Jill burn with colonial yesterday and said you know jobs wanted to check yet and you know. She's optimistic about racing. Returning Virginian said they have plans to To run with fans or without fans in and they've taken proper precautions and made plans for both situations so it was nice to hear that I mean. I'm I'm certainly itching for to get back to announcing and to get back to you know seeing live racing and obviously if there's no fans I mean I'm that I'm going to spoil situation because I'll actually get to see live racing but you know. Hopefully it's something where the fans can't come out be it at colonial or wherever by the time we're getting to July and August but I'm I'm a little pessimistic. That's going to happen anytime soon. But I'm all for being heavy my opinion and having it not be the case because Sports are meant to be enjoyed with an audience and so But I mean I've caught plenty of races with no out of Portland and some rain as at river and even some rainy days of monmouth there was There was nobody there so Certainly not first time. I'd be doing that but It was it was it was it was nice to see some movement being made forward and and I think I think everybody wants things to get back to normal. It's just a matter where I think a lot of people differ on when that's going to be and how we do that but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't perked up the idea of hearing about horses moving back to Churchill and racing starting there sometime soon and naira resuming in Santa Anita getting back on. I honestly would think you know because of new. York has been a hotbed for this. Naira might be a little further away California at seems like The Los Angeles County folks are not the most on the side of Racing Site. I worry about the ambitiousness of May Fifteenth. But I hope they're right but we shall see. Let's take a short time out. We Come Back Ellen. Dickinson will join us for a horse player. Thursday conversation be right after the short Tabata. Jason Borsch Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin. Spires is your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world sign up today and take advantage of our one hundred dollars signing bonus when you wage. Your five hundred dollars has a twin spires player. You'll receive free Brisbane at past performances. Live video race replays. Realtime racing information and much more plus you can now split tickets with other players using bet share a program on twin spires that allows players to switch their vets with other members for more information visit twin spires dot com the Jason Beam worst. Bracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires is your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation. Join host Jason Bean. Has He discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires DOT COM or on. Itunes spreaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason Beam. Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires all right back here on the J. B. Morse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires pleased to welcome in our next guest is a longtime professional gambler to welcome back our friend Allen dig into the show dig Houria Good Jason. How are you doing good? We were on twitter today. David Aragona from New York was showing the program that had zippy chippy. Debut in it. And then you re tweeted it and I noticed there was a horse named Stinky Dinky in there. You ever heard of that horse before today. I did not and that caught me off guard because I was already living in San Diego but that time so that I saw the The Hor- I wouldn't looked him up. He won eleven races and made one hundred thirty grand. And you know he here just keep. It wasn't so stinky. Dinky that he was up at Finger Lakes. It seemed like most of his career was spent. Okay so so. What are the The sports in the world doing during the quarantine time with no sports. Well that's finer if you wanted to change her focus I I I'm looking at horses a little but I'm considering that like a vacation from When you work every day forever. It's not so bad to get a month or two awful though. I'm definitely ready to get back to watching and thinking about sports that a lot of my stay at it's gone and I fill it up with kind of like wrestling podcast. And so he things that don't help me any which way but as simple pleasure things but I'm running out of my endurance for wrestling podcasts. I guess I've been avoiding putting out that voiding putting on any. Hbo Series In case. It goes on and a lot more Then I'll be more prepared than everybody else seems to be out of ideas about what to watch so tiny got you. There's a second wave. I'm going to be ready for this. Let's watch tiger king yet again. You haven't watched the tiger king yet. I watched two and a half episodes and I throw the town. Yeah I liked it but I liked it in that trashy kind away and then when it was over. I don't need to hear from these people ever again. Yeah really I mean depressing times. I don't WanNa see people have. It was like everybody on that show. I had no respect for. It wasn't even like kind of likable character bunch. They told that that like crazy or they were just just white trash I get. I mean there was. Yeah or a bad intention tonight. Didn't get really care. I was up to the part where her husband was dead. And I call it outside anymore so you you mentioned that your day is being filled with with. The sports stuff is most of that. Preparation is at number crunching. Is just getting information well. What does your day consist of win when your sports are in? Full swing pretty much. You know I'm betting that day. Sports that handicapped the day before. And then when I'm done taking some numbers and you know I'm always constantly looking at Bloggers or tweet anything. Twitter information about the teams that is in public knowledge and then about two games often up. Finishing the offense started dating the day before the lights come out and make some adjustments during the day if I learned about any injuries or players coming back just the opposite of injuries. That's important to people seem to forget that and They don't always publicize the players coming back unless it's an important player. So sometimes you'll get little tidbits. Make sure the goal is go that I thought it was maybe make an adjustment or two and then I'll make a last second decision on if aligns move far enough away from where it started and I didn't have that on it too. I have a pet on that game now and I'll make those decisions right coast time Kinda out. The Games on in the background and stop making online sips the next day which two lines might have come out already but making making some adjustments to those two if I had met them then looking at totals for the next day which usually move that much from the you know the original lines. I have time for that the games I have to be kind of ready three. Pm Pacific assessment. They'll come out usually so I'm doing everything at once and they overlap and I'm looking at my don best screen and I'm also looking at another. Sport might find something that's moving or talk to a college basketball and the copper and I'm looking for something there. There's a lot of a Lotta little things to do. It's very You know it never really stops. You have to decide when to walk away for a little while So that's my regular day. If it really is from the time I wake up to the end of the gains. I'll watch more of this seven o'clock game because I'm still betting until they start but also you know I'll also watch one four if I came usually Pacific Time Spend a lot. I like. I love hockey and I like baseball so I don't mind doing so. Watch part of the work day either probably like a twelve hour day and of course your big racing fan and and I know that you. I've got the sense. That racing was kind of a fun way of gambling for you and maybe less of a business way. Am I correct in that? Or is your approach debating racing similar to sports? Now it's A. It's a fun way if I have a half hour at night looked at the race. That's up seeing if I could play just to this fellow racer win that or something. I don't have time in the old days raising with my priority and sports with that was something that I would do for entertainment but the small pools. And the you know the information and the trainers that you're handicapping the horse now yeah That's something that wasn't that way like thirty years ago. I was betting courses. It seems to be when I talked to longtime betters. There's a lot of discussion about that. About just how how difficult it is now to get any kind of separation advantage edge and how back in the day that was not necessarily as much the case. Too much information Behind the scenes and on the form because we will see private purchases from really good train this to really bad or vice versa and the prices wouldn't deviate that much and favorites. Were really over bad. And they You see horses. That aren't that anyone there. Oh my God is too good a price. That never came into my equation. Always too good of price thirty years ago it was like. Wow this is a great price. But now it's like okay. This trainer doesn't win win. Sources who a morning line three to one another good and now they're ninety two to one minute. I almost have to start looking for an alternative because I know that I will not be good and it's never it's not perfect so nothing works perfectly but more more so than the horses and under like certain trainers they do better and they'd sometimes becoming underlay last so it's another issue. You're never really safe to call off at nine to five anymore. Alan Davidson joining us We were you and I do a little chat group every so often during the covert and we were talking the other day the name Billy Walters came up and I read today that the that he's getting out this week or at least it's looking like that and he kind of I would say one of the more famous sports bettors of recent generations you ever crossed paths with him. I did Suit Times once it was an interview for a job which I wasn't really interested and I don't think he was that interested in hiring me. I think he's just wanted. It gathers information by asking you questions and you know and thinking I'd WanNa work but I was a little bit controlled about giving up some of the stuff that I realize. He didn't have that I had and he much more stuff than I had so I was but I was getting nothing from him So he offered me a job. That was so ridiculous. In terms of acceptance was. I'd be responsible for the people he gave me. The WHO've been a bad and I would be controlling the vegas scene and I wasn't that interested in taking being that higher profile Guy. Already had a felony when he was interviewing me and I wasn't looking for a second one I have no regrets because everybody who works for Billy. Waltzes eventually didn't work for billy. Wells didn't have that many kind things to say about him but there was one unbelievable. Billy Wolfe asserted that came on after that I was working in a small office and I had people strip who I would give money to and I would. If they had a line at that time line could be out. Of flack wasn't it wasn't like it was ten years before that when you can have. Caesar's Palace having six on a game on a basketball game and Marashi haven't gotten eight and a half. Well you have to ask point middle if you had people who call you on pay phones because they already know cell phones at the time and it was dedicated work constantly getting calls. They did that for six months and then drove me crazy so it was so hard everybody and people got lazy. I I it. It got me good news but it also got away from the betting part because it's never ending you do that in the morning when lines come out to win the game start and it was hard work without a computer back then. Nobody had anything except There was no time. That's which was changed everything and it changed it for the worst because shopping became like extremely difficult. Now everybody's win and half a point each other on every game but that was the wild west of middles and I kind it was after the end of it because I lived in New York and you really have to be Vegas hooked up with a partner in his name is Marty And his better known as Marty the Jew which is kind of PA- name. That wouldn't go well now but back. Then it was totally accepted You know he was a hardcore midler and It wasn't fun. It wasn't fun you we were moving game so people in that CO author and everybody wants to other things and I you know my way of doing things different than his. I WOULD WANNA lean on a number where we got the best of it. He'd want to close every middle to be exact on every middle and I think you know trying to explain to them that value on what side of no value on the other side with value. But you didn't WanNa do that. So we parted ways amiably. I still see him around. Sometimes but the story was when things were getting a little more organized and you basically had radios with earpieces in them and were lines that you can see on. That's also a lot of sports. Sports show weren't undone by so it required a lot of work to have people in the casinos and people Bush. You know calling off. Sure out over and over again and getting what was called rundown then but now every offshore you can see their line somewhere if you happen to so anyway Billy best the game. He bet it's either it was Arizona and USC. And I think I had the order would say USC plus seven and a half four eight. So I saw a lot of seven and a half moving to seven and even a couple of six and a half so I quickly called. You have a radio but that calls everybody and I said okay. Try TO GET ME. Seven and a half. They know it's GonNa be hard. The almost never got a billy. Walters came because he's he's everywhere and has every place covered so the guy I had it the MGM. I Called me back and said I got plus seven and a half and USC for five thousand dollars and like oh I think so. Yeah I said look to your ticket again because I know billy has a guy at the MGM and he's not GonNa miss his own game so he looked into sticky said us. Seven after five. Thousand I don't you know don't don't think I could make a mistake. Santa important of it back. That's pretty much the high end if you could get a time. It's more than I ever expected together if I if I got five hundred more place. Yeah he's telling the story because we betting it though you know the story but I'm GonNa tell Jas Okay so So I you know I say okay. Great so I planned on keeping this because you know I know disability office game. I'll keep an eye on it. Maybe it's a phony but nobody else got it. Everybody else was calling in. Its sixth half an hour a couple of sevens and okay so I got this bad that I knew I was lucky to get all of a sudden. My phone rings the office. I'm telling you there's only two people in the off in the business or outside the business my wife and somebody that I deal with you know. Business lies at the time. Who had this number so I picked up the phone knowing? It's either my wife or somebody I I was going to ask me about the Billy. Walsh's billy authors on the phone and he says you got that game at the MGM. How do you know whom I runner is? How do you know I got the game? And why are you calling me anyway? Say Well. That's my game. I'm doing a bad southern house. That's my game and I want that ticket back and I go. I didn't steal the game from you. Why did your guy got it? Oh he was in the John at the time That's my game and I'm entitled to that ticket and like a billion not entitled to this ticket you know. I got it fair and square. I I did rob your radio. The runner and those fair and square. Well I think you should give it back and I said I'm sorry I'm not give it back up the phone and I don't think he thought he can get it back. But the first question was high tech. If you've got my number house. My runner identified as they don't wear a tag that say who they work for. And how and how did he know what I got is for something to do with the people I guess but whatever he got my office number somehow and so all right so I got the best of this game now? Usd is winning by seven with like two minutes. Left and this is great. You know and plus seven half fourteen and a half fishing So of course I was and I believe those are the right seat. So almost one hundred percent. Sure Arizona's scores a touchdown ties the game in the last minute. Okay so now I'm paying overtime. And as long as Arizona goes I they can't and even if USC goes. I know as long as you're seagulls. I can't lose because the most I could lose by then six. I don't score. And Their Score. A touchdown of the game is over by this parizot. Usc Go second. Actually I could lose if Arizona's go touchstone. Usc TURNS The ball. Over for a touchdown. How and if there's three overtimes the bigger problem is you have to go for two so maybe Arizona will go score first and then go for two so the whole contingent with USC went first. So of course Arizona. Goes I they score a touchdown. Usc gets three plays. It's like the fourth down and nine from twenty four ten. They throw a pick six now. The why the guy was running back anyway was just the only thing bad that it can happen. That matters because he somehow the boy. I've been running back for that sound. If he takes a neither game is over by seven the lease scored a touchdown and then a week later. They changed the rules that the ball would be death. Happens again. It was the last the of a touchdown in overtime. An pick six or fumble six in overtime that we'd get spread over seven feet so now he does a miracle. I got the number and the bat but it was even a big America that I lost man. That's that couldn't really well Cestari. He didn't call back after the game was over. I would've loved to call them and say okay. You can have that bad now. Decided you can have that fast but I. I can't imagine what he little. So that game so yeah. That was my story on that came. I'll never forget when that's my bill. I didn't have a problem with him. He was very very conniving Most of the time people were for him he would get that off the games he would give a wrong game or two just to get them off the Hudson case. They're giving it out at best friends are keeping too much. Wow Yeah seems entitled to. I mean that that seems like an titled Call to make but I guess I mean he was. He was kind of the man right. Yeah Yeah Everybody wanted to follow him and made sure that no one could because he would screw around with people and I worked for a little while and somebody named tiger that time tiger was very shop getting billy stuff but not that much and now. I'm friends with somebody make. Spanky is pretty big midler in his own right now and a lot of people who workability so billy let spanky was like the end. I mean. They'll public enemy number one for his stuff and That's just the customers. How good spanky was gathering information you know? I'd be curious to hear you mentioned the kind of being out in New York and I know you grew up there and what. How old are you when you figure out that you can make live and in gambling and how do you I kind of get into it? I mean I know I know you kind of started on the bookmaking side right. I started up on the bookmaking side with a chic. 'cause I fifteen some of the older kid by play basketball took me to Roosevelt raceway and I met a man named l. e. who I thought was the biggest better ever because he was spotting like four to five shots. Betting hundreds of win a couple of nights elliot. I became friends. You in the neighborhood. THE GARDENS. I lived in Forest Hills and he would come watch. Us play basketball because he was a sports guy and He offered me 'cause he saw a Lotta friends around and he said I need of your friends. Bet they said yeah that sports you know. They don't bet horses but they bet sports. You know a couple of friends I go to the track with their small betters and he said you know if you guarantee the money I'll give you twenty five percent of what was just seemed like a good deal because I knew my friends basically honorable And I had a quarter sheet which leads me to another funny story. I was still living with my parents at the time and I had. I had the phone in the best in the bedroom where I my bedroom. And they have no phone and they only had another phone in the kitchen so if I was home for bookmaking hours when I decided to do this on my own and booking either in my bedroom which was the phone that I had in my bedroom. Parents had a phone in the kitchen so I would always be able to answer the phone. I because I was always in my room. And they didn't care because ninety five percent of the calls for me anyway so I had one customer and he made a big on the jets and what he did. You know. That name wasn't GonNa play that game and the line was very low because of that now everybody kind of knew that but him so he thought I was giving made a bad line. So He'd better thousand dollars on the chips and off. I went to Roosevelt raceway. At seven o'clock. Which is when I closed. 'cause I preferred track over the book making and they only had like five customers anyway at the time So when I got home from Roosevelt that night I got a message blue equal. He says the jet as off. Because there's no Joe Name. This is a little bit of a problem and I called me the next day since. Listen my mother's not part of this is this. You can't cancel or make bets with her. And he's I didn't know name wasn't paying. I said I don't care if you want. You gotta get paid and eventually on the pay me. But I don't think many bookmakers had festivus cancel best with that. Mom I did WANNA try. I imagine it was. It had to have been less formal as far as taking bets and stuff back then because it was all over the phone and it was all kind of you know on credit and stuff right. Yeah there. Wasn't you know there was a this paper in the New York close to God. I forgot his name. columnist. Steve Serbie maybe who would talk about his bookmaker. You know like a casual thing. He was the original bad the guy and he gained that took the bad beat. He would write about then. People talk about their bookmaker like they talked about their barber. It wasn't like you really learn a criminal when I first started doing this at worst you would get a five hundred dollar fine and a night in jail and you know you go to the bottom of the list and another seven years. Go by and that could happen again. The rules changed in the mid eighties. To where it could get a little bad but even then it was like as long as you're not connected bookmaker you shouldn't have. I get high and somehow and I got back the it was. You know misinterpreted that I was feeling with somebody who was involved in organized crime in Detroit. Which was the case to some extent but even just a customer of mine. I was bookmaker. I had no idea who he was. You came in as an agent from an agent so he could have been the mayor. As far as I do as long as you know the guy for him I would never have to see him but it turned out he was a customization ever took and and getting felony some time in a work release program where I was out every day but still was a draining year. It's I always wonder now which is worse corona virus problem or or the year I had in jail and I think this is worse. Actually because if I get sick I die In Jail I knew what the day was over here. We don't know much about anything. That's the scariest part what was what was your situation when you finally made it out to Vegas where you were you betting fulltime at that point. I mean did you. Did you had you kind of bankrolled up? I know you talked about you. Know I mean. I'm sure a lot of gamblers. When they're young you know go busted. What was kind of your situation when you went to Vegas for the first time when I got in trouble I had the most money I've ever had and I didn't WanNa say New York. I didn't get in trouble right away. I got the. Fbi came into my office and they let us go and that was Kinda bad because that means they might be something down the road. So I just I moved to San Diego. I've gone there for like a couple of weeks each summer and I loved it and I love del Mar so I moved in with a friend of mine. Who was a research biologist and San Diego had had nothing to do with? Gambling is one of the last cuts on the miracle on ice hockey team and the Olympics. Yeah he's still plays to this day found and That was just so I won't get in trouble again until this close over four and a half years later I got excited and I have a cold higher. A lawyer from Detroit and go to sentencing which turned out to be worse than I thought it would be. I thought I'd get probation for sure but I didn't. I had to do time in San Diego with work release. I work seven days a week. I think I was only in jail. Twenty four hours straight wants one day before I got permission to work seven days a week so I was out and but it was sleeping in jail and I think at the last two months I had mono so it was really hard but I got through it but I knew it was gonna be over. This is different but I had the most money out of a hat then. I decided well it's time to start betting correal's you know to get the horses. It's too hard and I just never was good at California racing except the Hollywood park. For some reason I ended up becoming a better and I over bat lost a bunch of my money back because I was trying to be like the people who beat me. I had a lot of people and I tried to what they do. But I couldn't quite grasp so I lost a bunch of money back when I and then I guess when I got to kind of an offer like if you bet for me we win. Every year you can keep twenty five percent of the profits. You make we just need somebody responsible and honest to run. Say for us so I did that. Those guys immediately lost everything every week. Kinda quit really early on my own and I learned the hard way You know basically. I probably didn't win two three years camping and then I turned around and figure that out. it was getting harder. It's always harder every year gets harder. Or a Lotta math models now. I can't do that too sophisticated for me to do it right. I kinda model on paper. You know had a couple of cents for that. Take away that you come up with a line so fats when I switched teams you know and I talked to a lot of people who were winning but they WANNA do in. Hockey hockey was only the only sport. I basically one that for about three or four years. Yeah I I always hear whenever people introduce you or you know you're always listed kind of as a hockey better and was it was because you're that big of a fan of it or was that was just kind of where you're was because there wasn't as much maybe sharp competition figure. The combination of both lines were different than They didn't just do the half ties for a while. And that was a benefit and when the ties went away they overtime they were still overtime ties. And still is a benefit to take plus a half a goal So the lines that weaker. I was a big Fan. I enjoyed watching embedding hockey. I always that's thirty seven percent winter skipping college and pro but mostly I try pro and that didn't work football always about getting a good number for me so I probably stayed above water and football and baseball. Was you know the challenge of real bad year? Some real good year some your back and forth with no rhyme or reason except what I worked at times what I what I also did seem to go bad at times so I used pressure for tolerance. And now every gambler everything big successful. Gamblers doing podcasts. And going how barometric pressure is used to work at what we can do that anymore. Because everybody's aware of it kind of kind of funny that I found something that everybody else found male but It was good for a while. You know things are good for awhile and these sports that too bad seasons in the last five and they were you know mostly because my overtime racket is atrocious. But they weren't that good anyway. I've had two good seasons last five and one break. How do you even so the last five years of hockey been very small profit on the long run You're part of your life was documented of course in the movie lay the favourite. Nebr- Bruce Willis portrayed you know. Movies sometimes embellish or exaggerate. How things are better. But we're things kind of crazy and hectic as they looked in the film for a time little exaggeration. The Second Catholic movie was kind of course but that wasn't merely involving me so It was definitely based on truth but exaggerated times five baby. Yeah Yeah I feel like. That's a standard for the movie stuff. I've had a few friends that have written stuff and they've all said that the studio's end up taking it and kind of running with it. How they how they will In terms of horse racing and stuff we were talking a few weeks ago about a place called the sport of kings and I thought our listeners might get a kick about hearing about that place and kind of. It's it's short term existence. What do you remember about that in Las Vegas? Sport of kings are down on a corner parallel to the Hilton. It was opened based on the English. Bookmakers they were under the last people to not go para mutual and I in ninety two. I sat down with them and spoke to them About what their philosophies were and they said we can never win betting horses. So nobody's GonNa win. Which is GONNA make money? I think this I said this is a bad idea. Because everybody sharp guy in the world is going to come in that stuff none para mutual they would take Tai they would use their own thick sides and I mean it was like if you ever wanted to get the worst of it. They they did the best way they can get the worst of it some races. Why aren't on the UP AND UP? Some racist would just bet fixed odds and some races just people just could handicappers with beating the racist so they were losing all three ways. You can possibly lose. And they didn't cultivate a big sucker better business because suckers don't care upset para mutual or not only the white guys who care that they're not that funny into the pool. So boy did they have a bad right. They also had a sports look at operate and they were giving too much away. Shop editors it was just a mess. And unfortunately for me. It was good for two months before I went to jail. And then that year maybe the first eight months they got annihilated. I had nothing to do with it. Because I was in San Diego working at a sub shop. What Any any favorite horror stories of yours from over the years Happy Tyler was Kinda sports that I had that didn't really well and I gave it to my friend. Michael WHO'S LOOKING TO GET OUT OF VEGAS? Because he wasn't doing well here so he went to Florida and I said Okay by a horse. Well I have three. Two other partners will split it three ways and he said I like this happy tyler founded up in Ocala I think and from William pop singer and training and on his own. I'm asking he's how's he doing? He's doing really good. Let's take a nice force you know. I think we'll get our money back at least on the source and that was nice because Michael usually things everything is going to be wonderful. It was nice to hear him say something conservative and I went to Florida to the nickel and spend some time with some friends there and he said well happy titles ready to race at the meadowlands. I think he'll do good but we can give him another race. I we give another qualifier if you wants. He made time in his last so yeah. I'm sure I make time again if you think he's doing well he's doing really well so just okay. Let's let's run to old four. Which is you know now. It's like you know that's like slowest. We'll be well for that. Has the five eight smile tracks so he was in a race won very good steak horse. And for God's horses and the the stake or got to lead and opened up five months of calling to the half and we were like third we were going to have to go I over and we were just waiting for the halftime. Come up you know not to be too slow because if it's really slow we may not make time and we'd have to go to the another qualify before we get to the metal so the half time was unbelievably slow. Michael turned to me and said you know this is a bad idea how we're GONNA have to qualify for the horse pulled around the horse. Second got right by really fast and he was heading to stake silly and maybe I'll make time I close. It's GonNa be hard. He always went right by the states. Philly like she was standing still came home and like twenty three Made Time and just obliviated. That's one of the really good horses. So the next thing Michael turned around and said that goes on betting opportunities. We didn't know that so Two weeks later the horse was Was running at the Elliott. It was written by Tina who was who some personal demons could have been a really the hard strike but You know he was friends with Michael. And this is an opportunity on a good horse and I was booking in New York at the time and and I must have got ten calls that for people who bet packhorses. I would go no. You can't awesome. Oh Oh you like to know. That's silly by anyone. Invade six forty in like ten to one morning light or something and became a good horse became a very nice horse and then got her. That was the end of happy but it was a really nice story in a really good horse. Yeah all right cool. Well they always love getting to catch up with you. Appreciate you coming on the show and I'll talk to you very soon. I sure will I`ll. I'm always happy to help yet. And they always look forward to talking to all right. We'll be right back after a short time out of Jason Moore Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. This is the Jason Beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires thanks to our Dickinson for joining us. Hope you guys enjoyed that. I did I love talking to date. We will be back tomorrow with our full Arkansas Derby stakes race preview between me and the jury and then I will put out my full card Discussion on Friday. I'll probably get it out Friday morning Friday mid morning. I sleep in on Fridays. So look forward to that. If you guys have comments questions concerns any of that you can always email me. Jason Charles. Bima gmail.com appreciate the feedback on the race. I love segment mostly positive and if people seem to joy might be something we stick with for the next couple of weeks until racing really starts heating up at some of the other tracks. But we'll still try to get You know three interviews a week. I like I like doing the interviews. It's it really is A lot of fun for me so anyways we will wrap up this edition of the program. guys. I can't thank you enough for joining us. We had a another record month in terms of downloads. I think we've broken it four straight months now and I just. I'm so flattered that you guys continue to listen to the program continued. Interact and engage with. It means a lot to me and I just want to convey that. Thank you because You know I'm feeling very grateful that I've been able to keep working throughout this. And that's a big part because of you guys in a big part because of Churchill downs so shout out to you both and we will see guys back tomorrow. 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Is the government underpromising on the vaccine rollout?

"Get twelve weeks of the spectator in print and online for just twelve pounds. And we'll give you a twenty pound amazon gift voucher absolutely free. Go to spectator dot co dot uk food slash voucher. Hello and modern to coffee has shot. Suspect ages daily politics podcast. I'm katie balls and andrew by phrasing alison and james o'keefe so a better story to be told in the current one on the case vaccination fan. Today's times white. Who sources predicting all over. Fifty s can be vaccinated by the end of march. This comes after biggest accidentally published by the scottish government this week. So that's the uk would have capacity for free point eight million jobs next week and a five point. Four million a week by the end of february. James was going on here. Is it the case that we actually have some very good news and vaccines and even the government has been saying that we're on track. The is even better. The dogs were put up and then withdraw government suggests that next week the. Uk's we the newest as many people as vaccinated so far in program. It's just a dramatic ramping up. And i think it does suggest that maybe these vaccines government wishes to say. There's been a lot of talk about. How many doses there are. Countries suggests the a large number of doses in the country. The government's concern. Is that if you read. Very good story in. The school headed today. How boris private sexually ryan. Michael surgeons private secretary to basically say this document down. I don't think the government's concern is by. It doesn't help the. Uk's negotiations with pharmaceutical companies are making these vaccines to reveal how much the uk house because other countries. Then start saying well high on a second. We want some of that tension. But i think the interesting question is whether this round pop in the vaccine program happen i mean we all got very used to the government saying that some dramatically good thing is going to the game and then it not being quite as good as i advertised so that we will ever be watching hawks next week to see whether the vaccination program can keep up with the schedules adjusted and not scottish. Government document fraser. If the vaccination program does proceed as as ministers hype g think. There is a risk that we could be cut off. We could be told liquidating right while you do not have the knee eat on humanitarian grounds which some of the to get vaccines have to wait. Yes that's a risk nauseous for britain but for any country that manages to vaccinate the people who are likely to die. that is the over-sixties because at that points say if you're a belgian manufacturer okay britain you've now am eliminations your threat of mortality from covid or virtually eliminated it. I won't vaccinating. Just stop people getting sick. it's other countries. Have a greater need. France is behind in this vaccination schedule so is germany. They've of orders with this pfizer jab here in the same belgian plant. So we're going to ship. Its to france and not to the uk now. This might sound farfetched. Bits i understand. These conversations are already happening. It's there's a kind of global race on for a relatively short supply of vaccines and even the oxford vaccine. Strange politicians would tell you that because of a deal that we did with oxford's and astrazeneca the deal the government brokered that means the british government can be guaranteed to get every shots coming out of the factory and wrexham. I'm hearing conflicting reports on that that this might not be quite so assured if we start to be guessing devastates vaccinating people between the age of fifty and sixty. And that's what the was the story times today saying we're going to be doing that by the end of march vernet is where we might be facing stiffer. Global competition after all astrazeneca is a global company with global obligations and global clients. So this is certainly from the offset. Mrs been one of the reasons for secrecy. Now we're used to katy having what's matt's hand coke described as a big hairy target. So he'll say that we're going to tests save one hundred thousand people a day to wrap it up and the government was almost embarrassed anxious because it set itself. This davis goal. We used to the government aiming high and then not hitting it every time. Boris johnson has said something. We're going to be done by november done by christmas. Then it tended not to happen so we're used to expecting whatever the government says is gonna do expect government to do less than that because that's been the pattern but on this from the offset. The government has understated for two reasons. One you want to repeat the cycle of disappointment where people think going to be ready by vaccinated by april and in fact aren't but the other thing is sharing your hand in this global vaccine game james in a way if we get to that point and he today's predictions back hanging t the fifties that a nice problem for the government to have this me a sign of success. Yes it is clearly. The government will without the neal of i think has you rose about yesterday katie. What will do is. It will intensify debate on the tory benches about when to ease. Restrictions of freedom is a very interesting point in his telegraph quality today. Poison how benjamin netanyahu and israel essentially you. Look we're tightening restrictions right now to aid the vaccination program because the vaccination program is the root of freedom so slightly tighter restrictions to help. That out is worth it. I think it'd be interesting choice. Boris johnson gave. Does he say look. I'm keeping restrictions tight because even after mid fab in these thursday and a half minutes. We'll important people being vaccinated given that. I shot ozzy sailor. Or i'm going to do now is reopen schools because the biggest frat the success of the vaccination program is another crisis that puts hospitals under pressure again. I makes it harder to get to get up to three million plus a week that would enable you to have done all over fifty s by the end of march. Which if you can do that. Then having you are looking at possibly or restrictions going sometime in april phrase when it comes to that debate on when restrictions to go. What's your sense for us payers the mood within the government but to even the parliamentary because ministers in very tight lipped. You have matt hancock to- south and you're going to have a great summer but beyond that we haven't got much in the way of wedding. Saudi restrictions go borsch in talks about mid-february as a review. But if anything. I think that promise concerned quite a of his colleagues because they just stayed in the mid february is when things are going change until well yes of course. Mid february we might have hit the target in terms of people vaccinated. But we won't be seeing the results. The results will have come follow. That's why allies in israel right now. Israel's now vaccinated a quarter of its population. And only this morning. We've heard some of the results amongst those vaccinated even after fourteen days infection levels or one third below those who hadn't been vaccinated. Now this is a funny of course in a way. This is exactly as you'd expect. This is what they've manufacturers told us. But i took this to be hugely heartening news because right now it's still a theory. We think that the vaccine program will cut deaths by eighty percents in britain by the end of march. But that's if all goes according to plan that vaccines behaving the way that they're expected to and the figures the efficacy figures from the vaccines are off from trials. But in israel you've got a massive real world experiment going on and right now it really does seem to be going. According to plan now. If israel manages to this off it thinks it can eliminate the vast majority of covid deaths by march and netanyahu saying to his cabinet a few days ago that we are the great goal awaiting us as to be the first country in the world to emerge fully from a national coronavirus crisis and he's rights but is also the case. The prison be the second country that if he is really project it will be in the path of the world will want to follow out of this crisis but in britain you want to see the results. You want to see the hospitalization figures going down. The deaths will be the sharpest decrease because we'll vaccinated twenty percent of the population account for ninety percent of covid death so you can cover them quite quickly but it won't be really until the middle of march that we will start to see serious vaccine dividend and then we can have a difficult conversation about whether it's time to unlock immediately. What the purpose of lockdown is is it to stop death or is it stop people getting infected because covid still gives you pretty cannot leave out in bed for ten days that's not nice brick and also give you a resources talk about long. Covert people having debilitating symptoms after three or four months. So we'll matt hancock willing to let the virus rip to use some of his own language amongst the young just because he's vaccinated the old and eliminated or greatly reduced the mortality risk. So that is going to be of a dilemma and that will be facing the government in march. So the conversation about lockdown. I think is about to change radically whom we see the israeli figures full and the british figures fuller james. What do you think the answer to that is so so. That'll be a distinct series of political positions on special. I've think there is going to be the covid. Recovery group tori. mp position the centrally. Be two to three weeks. After the thirty one million most vulnerable people who've had that i that's where i'm restrictions. Should i go for that. The second place which is sung roughly where the government will probably end up is once everyone in phase ones about twenty eight million people and that might now be by. The end of march had their first shot two to three weeks after back. That's the moment. When restrictions go then as a physician. George nashua the labor show houseboats and seem to be moving labor to which is look. We don't know enough about long but we know it's unpleasant and nasty and debilitating so we can't let the restrictions go until essentially vaccinate the whole population. You can't let it rip among the young. I mean those are going to be the free distinct political positions. And i don is one of the all union is going to be isis. Theft for the government will end up around that not middle position. Which would suggest they're going to a big easing op and opening up in mid to late april and fraser just on that finally looking at that third position which is perhaps what lay of might lean towards but we don't have sure that form position is going to be that you need restrictions until all of our relations vaccinated because you can't let young people some get long covert even if there's a very very low death rate how'd you can practice. Because a lot of the messaging in terms of young people is gay. Might not be harmed by this. We got to be careful because you got to protect your elderly relatives. Adherence is already in a tricky place to is going to get quite hard if he took that prayers to get young. People did hits that when at that point is really yourself at risk. Would you might think about like that. The government is quite good at changing messages. They've changed from you know hands face space and protect. Nhs we change the whole time. And i was struck by something. You rose going has a couple of days ago. But they're planning a message of along. The lines of coffee can kill or something. What was it yes. So what are the things. We're in enforcement week still guys. It's the final day at the government's enforcement wig instead of changing the rosato that tough messaging and they're drafting up new advocates. And one of the ones. I knew they were considering that if they actually do put. It is ready to go back. Nash along lines of grabbing a coffee can kill seen a bit. On takeaway coffee's ready in terms of how the government has suggested that if you have a coffee of here could be a picnic right back on that venus in trouble for that. It's an extension a you get into prototypical territory there because if you start to cigarette star. Health warnings on coffee cups then. People aren't going to take seriously the it will be controversial. There's no doubt about it. Only in the last year we had that notion introduced to us that the government ought to shutdown society to stop a virus. Circulating is a new tool and governments kits. We're not sure. This rule applies to leave a virus but not to a debilitating virus and labor party is going to take the position that the government should keep looking down while viruses still in circulation invest. What jonathan ashworth said when he stood up in the comments and that will be for lasting for quite some time yet throughout the summer. The interestingly governor cuomo in new york has changed his chin now he used to be the most pru lockdown governor in america pretty much but now he switched he saying. I want to unlock now. Because if we wait any longer there won't be anything left to unlock. So it seems that he thinks you looking ahead to an an era where the virus has protected people and the political debate switches from concern about people dying from covid to concern about the economic destitution with loss of jobs the harm to education and then the politicians will be trying to come up with a different message. And you can see that in matt hancocks interview with them. James ni- a couple of weeks ago. I was struck by how somebody who had been quite closely. Associated of lockdown was using reasons like cry. freedom. That was his words so it seems to me as if he is now preparing to go from mr strict lockdown to mr quick reopening. And that's not a contradiction because netanyahu told his cabinet. Were cracking down. Now's who can be the first to reopen. So he wants to present himself booth as look down prime minister and the reopen prime minister ahead of his election on march twenty third. I think we can expect to see more political pivoting as people get more prepared for the post vaccine environment. Recovered has lost. Its deadly sting. An a very new compensation can take place. Thank you phrase that. Thank you james. And thank you for listening anti max jeffrey. For producing this podcast.

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#177 Terry Hershey: Finding Grace in Crisis

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#177 Terry Hershey: Finding Grace in Crisis

"Johar jarl's so here we go again buddy And we find ourselves down. Deep into the muck of national hopelessness memoir title among national hopelessness. Not a bad title could be an article. At least go actually. That's a great title. Yeah okay so that could be the title of the show folks who hate. Terry i just read this morning in the new source of you turned me onto that. I like so much access and there. A trustworthy poll those conducted by axis and emphasis and one week after the discussing attack on the capital. It showed that. Seventy nine percent of americans say america's falling apart. I saw that very troubling politics economics and the pandemic. You talk about a A perfect storm. That's what we have going right now. You're not gonna get me to disagree with that. I'm sure i'll disagree with something. There's got to be something if not. Rt's you up to that payment. You know what i want to talk about today. Is i've been having inclinations that there is a possibility for what i feel may become a rising need for some sort of spiritual hope in greece in the hearts of people in america. Now we typically don't talk in depth about on the show we talk about god but not in depth. I want today to be an exception. And i'm gonna talk to you about. How can people find. Hope in the god that you and i know not the god that is ever so destructive in the eyes of some people. Wow so just so you know that subject is never one. You start with at copy. Our after church is really there and kenny. Doing her thing or another worse. Yeah In other words you don't start with. Let's have coffee. Can we talk about the real stuff. The other words you don't begin their emmers. Ariza hard wreak charlie. It was a hard week as a pastor. How the start there. Because what i do is pastoral care. That's what i do for ministry and minister of grace. That word is actually the premise of everything. I talk about grace and sanctuary. And i'll be honest with you chari. Here's what i thought his for. All the years i taught that so. Why wasn't it enough. Then what are we mri that that didn't take root. You mean as population at large what is missing or what about. You're talking about your audience. Well i mean i start there but I did i ask is is that enough. I'm literally at the mercy. Something right now you and not knowing. I feel precisely the same way and and yet i feel. There is a need for those of us who have been granted grace. All people are granted groups but those of us that have recognize the grace god in our life. I think it is income incumbent upon us to try to help people who are feeling deeply lost and feeling no place to turn no no help anywhere. We have to try to come up with something tear. If we i don i start with the reality of grace is that we do a disservice if we start by trying to define god before we accept the grace of god. Because i'll give you an australian. One of my favorite stories is a no garrison. Keeler store is a couple that remember the lutheran church there right in in the town they global gun lake all the gun and so the couple Had a kid grew up and like all gone. who church can of course and then he went to minneapolis. Go the university of course and and what happens in university is the kids. Quit on god you know how it is of. They give up what they were taught in church and so they were worried because their son quit. Believe in god. So they went to went to the pastor there. What was his name. Sorry cash bed and they said we're worried about our son less that because he doesn't blame god from the pastor said this to them he said that's okay god's still believes in your son grace has to start there me. Yeah before i make this an issue where i have to decide what goes where i have to start with the fundamental reality that there is a god who of all else cares and that the imago day the image of that god is inside and do i abuse it s do i not understand it. Yes but i've got to start there. You know you're speaking my language now terry very much because you know I've mentioned on the show. You've four new and i have talked that i'm i'm studying. And and and my spiritual practice is of the mystical traditions and I'm reading my star at meister eckhart right now. And he is known as the most un-systematic of systematic theologians by can talk about fancy fancy terms of apathetic and catastrophic and one is about one of those fancy terms is about taking god literally defining god and and defunct finding the situation the the person of god the way to follow god and and that's what we find in most churches today both both catholic and protestant The mystic tradition is experiential. It is not knowledge based is super passing. it is take you through the knowledge. Learning the knowledge rest inside you and then transcending the knowledge to the mystery of and that is where we we understand. God is through mystery and through an unknowing nece and two so through that creates an even greater dependency on god did did any of that make any sense. Yeah and i wholeheartedly. Because we the soon as i make it a cerebral issue then my wellbeing is predicated on whether i can create the right theology shoes. My well being is predicated on that. It's not ungracefully wash predicated on. Do i believe the right thing. If i believe the right thing than you believe the wrong and the next thing. I know we're fighting about that. I believe the right guard. You believe the wrong. Because i've not started with grace and as is i'm very strongly into his at a. I'm very very trinitaria in these days. And the trinity the essence janta logical essence of trinity. The of god. The being of god is love it is love and goodness it is not wrath it is not vengeance it is not not. I'm going to get you. That is the whole beauty of the new covenant. And the whole beauty. Of a the incarnation of the christ of jesus son of god coming to earth to change that whole wrathful situation and to and to reconciles and and redeem us into brings back into the presence of god in a beautiful and a wonderful not in a moralistic or legalistic. Way but in an experiential way that god is got his present within us and works within us and and oliver moralism not to get the grace of god but are moralism is a fruit of having that experience with god that god comes in and intervenes and leads us. One hundred percent hoping about grace grace and humility go hand in hand in other words. I don't need to be right to be loved by god. I don't need to be in first place to be loved by god. I don't need to have the correct religion to be loved by god and the remarkable thing about being loved by god. Even if you're turner -tarian as you talk about. I don't even have to understand the trinity no to know that i'm loved by god. See that's the marvellous thing about it. But i grew up in a world. Where but as soon as you don't believe you're secure in that if i'm not secure in that loved by god part if i'm insecure and then i need something other than god for my security for the next thing you know. I'm beating the crap out of people who are different than the it becomes. Richard roar talks a lot about it becomes a very dualistic us versus them right wrong and and rather rather than than a transcendent truth that rises above and transformed Right or wrong. Or or moral or immoral and we go to the infinite presence of god that god is god his. I like the way that i've read that. God is not a god is being. I'm getting very philosophical right now. You try to make god a being and if you try to make the way you were raised that you can define god you and you believe in serpent characteristics and and certain Characteristics of is called the nature of god. As soon as you do that you move into this. You move into a dualistic us and them's right away in that belief the words you believe are actually more important. Then and the love that inhabits us well and and then it's not just the love that inhabits us but you're talking about what what spills from that in other words but spills from that love is i mean you know justice mercy Humility i mean that spills from that in other words if if i don't know certain is the right word but if i have to have closure there's no space for mercy you melody. There's no space. Yeah i and i. I am not a problem. I don't have a problem with certainty. I think i think uncertain tea is good. Because that's what. I like to call god room. Uncertainty uncertainty is room for for god to invade us and let god determine the truce. Ns once i am certain. Then it's not god it's not you know. There's one of my one of my favorite car. Karl bart was my theologian read. I moms young. That i the and one of my favorite books he wrote was is I think i might have been wrong. I think that's the title of his His commentary on romans. Yeah yeah i. I actually didn't know that was the title. I read the book. But i didn't know that was the title. Well yeah but he has another book the as commentary and then he has another book that he wrote getting to that. This you know i read the commentary. I didn't read that one. Yeah yeah that he had talked about. I had to admit i was wrong. Irony about saying that you're wrong with that. Somehow the reality is shifted. If you say you're wrong about something. That's the craziest of all this. You know once again betrays our friendship that we Leave the same essentials. And that i have written in my blogs several times about the value of being wrong and i like to say never believe what i say today because i could change my mind tomorrow because i could be wrong And you know you and paul stories. Let me tell you a story. When i first left the conservative church a minister when i say the conservative the conservative really wasn't that conservative evangelical church and i moved to maine line. I moved to the anglo catholic church of the anglican episcopal church. The visiting preach preacher was the bishop of los angeles and orange county. Fred borsch was his name and he said something about. Oh he was praying with you. Know an ecumenical prayer prayer group with people of other religion. That's heresy in the conservative church. Is that a christian would be not only conversing with people of other religions but actually praying with them hit a chord with me at that at that time because i was very new to the tradition. So i i met with the same day after during coffee hour i met with bishop borsch and ask them i said. Tell me bishop you you. I don't understand the theology that you're using here it. It doesn't make sense into that. Christians you know we need to be so distinct from everyone else in bishop borsch replied to me charlie. I get what you're saying. But the one thing i believe is that while i do believe the scripture is inherent and the truth of scripture is infallible. He said the problem is is that while the scripture is not me as a human being. I am prone to be wrong. He says. I must admit. I my faith with humility and modesty always knowing that i could be wrong now if we all had faith like that faith that saying i believe it's like i believe it was jerry. I'm not sure jerry's in the bible said i believe but help my belief every great to believe that it's wonderful. Believe but all police believe with a sense that god could correct cook. Correct my thoughts. Sa- yeah and yes because that goes back to the thing that the anchor for my identity and my value and my work is not predicated on how right or wrong i am. It's predicated on the grace of god period. That was good. That was because i. I charlie i had to do. I had to do in seminary. I had to do a class. Proving the existence of god. And i was graded on that charlie graded on i arguing for something i saw with that and and i think that that those notions propel some people in our political spectrum too too deep beliefs that they are right and that god is on their side and only on their side and not at the side of others which really gets us into a lot of trouble. I think we saw the fruits of some of that trouble A week ago wednesday right. But that's interesting thing about god beaner my side because that's fascinating god. Giving god's grace creating value for me is that is just simply a certain phenomenon. And i say yes and our be yes for everyone but as soon as i need to them therefore say that we have to take sides with then. I haven't been. I don't believe the first premise. Well there you know. That's a pro. That's a whole problem theologically with understanding god. If we're taking sides we a have to assume that we understand what side were taking and that assumes then the second assumption is that we understand god. And then i go to three. That's stupid because once i understand once i understand god i think i understand god i have limited god i have no well spring of hope and growth and civil practice spiritual practice the kind of practice that jesus did when he roamed a lands of of israel right. I don't disagree with that. So so let's let's let's talk you know. We've we've given everybody sort of our theology. But i'd like to. I'd like to move to practice. I'd like to try to attempt to give help in understanding. How might a theology of grace impact a nation that is lost in feeling that america is falling apart. And i think that's such a deep question. We should probably take a break and then come back to that question but that question is how mike. How might we inherit and apply disgrace. This is charlie hedges. You're listening to the next chapter with charlie and we're listening and we're doing a A very difficult podcast today. She and i are doing a very difficult podcast because we are. We're trying to be candid and open and raw which is going to create controversy is going to create disagreement and and i try not to have a controversial show but i think the times are calling for a speaking from the heart and Terry and i are talking about the despair in america and is a resolution any resolution in the grace of god in this now before we get to that question during the break my producer as asked me a question terry and this is for you. What is grace gracious. The the realization that. My identity is not predicated on anything. I need to earn leverage. That you don't have to go any further this beautiful then. My wellbeing values nothing to do with what i- earner leverage. So what is your well or value. Based on. I agree with you still less containing with what is it. Based on the theological termite say as the the image of god that inside of you is that image and that's my wellbeing that i as a child of god. That's good warfare surfing to prove ironing. Is that if. I have something to prove then. My identity is predicated on that proving. And that's an interesting kind of way to do it. In other words okay. So so so i wanna be a a giving person or a compassionate for sure whatever wherever my identities predicated on proving then. I'm doing all those things in other words to be somebody. Well no hit in fact. I'm already secure in. Who i am in that grace part then all of the endeavors that i have good endeavors spill from that. They're not meant to make me someone i'm not. They're not meant to impress you. You you know what you're sounding like terrassa you sounding like a Mystical theologian. i'm glad you said chart. I glad you didn't say you're sounding like a preacher. No that would have been. I'm sorry sorry. My my my fellow beloved ministers but there would be an insult to terry hershey. Read a handful of the people that take this way of not dogmatic theology but experiential theology that is based on imago. Day on the image of god on the incarnation. Jesus coming on on on the son of god becoming human and imparting a love and a whole value system that is not based on performance or based on being able to prove god. And you could say for our people. Great theologians to read our saint theresa the las in john of the cross. Thomas merton meister eckhart. Bonaventure those at saint bonaventure. Those have been my my reading resources for the last year. And do you know when all that changed. Terry you know when you you know. We've always had this very. You've you know sort of moral legalistic tradition. But but that mystical tradition tradition existed and then disappeared for a while. And you know what brought about. His disappearance was the was the age of rationalism the age of reason well the reason yes correct science with taking over religion and people were believe in science more than they were believing in religion so the religious and instead of depending on this wonderful relationship with god one a to prove it scientifically wanted to prove god scientifically and so that's where we came with systematic theology. Which you know all through seminary. When i have my three years in seminary i thought systematic theology like crazy because it it just it it was all about defining god improving god and that began with the age of reason and we. We are now entering a newer age. And i don't mean new wage an h. h we are in an age of no reason but but it is a rage an age of experience. I'm really yeah. I'm i keep saying that word. I'm realizing this a very strong word for me. Is it's experiential in my heart that i am. I am union. i'm at union with the divine and the divine his guiding me deep within my soul and i don't have to worry about proofs and that yeah you know what's the good news of courses that Now when you have when you read. Einstein you realize that what you just said and science or actually in the same page true because 'cause sock is is The truth of science is really about mystery and awe and The science you are referring to bag nature reasons. We we somehow. As a species human species wanted to somehow find confinement enclosure on everything which incurred god was just like the algae is one of the one of the strangers wins things we did but trying to learn about god. I mean really weird and systematic. Theology really began like in the nineteenth century. Didn't it was such a thing as systematic theology theology g before the nineteenth century. I think it started with some people who are really messed up emotionally and they decided i. Let's just fill this down to seminarians for decades to come. I think that's they're having they're having beers and that's what we didn't have a good life. Let's make it messed up for everybody Well i super that. One of the one of the conundrums is this long. I belong to this thing where i have to be quote on. That's the irony of this. I mean this is what we're seeing now with. What's going on is stepping someone side. I'm thinking wait a minute. Wait owners what is mercy have to do with a side. Yes what i don't get. That part is justice have to do with a side. I don't get that art. That's why i'm so. When you. And i mean you you and i have disagreed on many many things theologically and even socially and and we have conversations. We'll have conversations but i don't ever remember us having a an even sort of fights verbally not per se but i don't remember either one of us having to say one side that we we know we didn't go there yet. Just that that seems like side seems like such a anti-god notion that it is a it is a very ellison. So the working yeah. It was actually work into this. Because i was thinking about the rotor. The thing about rosa parks not rosa parks but Lady martin luther king's church and and now her name escapes me that she wanted to march and and martin luther king said no. You can't march or this you know you're old and she said she said Yet my feet is tired but my soul is rested and then i wrote that that she because she wasn't a victim and this was the sentence because she was a victim she was able to engage in care about like. Now i love. That sentence is great because if my identity is not at rest this when our back to grace then i feel like i'm a victim of something or someone see there. Were onsides again. We're victims no. There are true victims of violence or sexual assault. But that aside. I am not a victim of the discomfort of life and as soon as my identity is that way. And that's life. I have the capacity now to enter into the fray. And it's like me and you enter your into the fray because the disagreement is not the end dolon beal graces the end all and be all and we can be at the same table will actually. I would go so far as to say that the disagreement is healthy in that in that it it. It approaches to that idea. We were talking about taking sides and bean right and wrong and and and and assumed lean assuming the role of always thinking always knowing that i could be wrong at so. Our disagreements give me insight. I could be wrong. You know what terry could be right on this or a right or cherry. Could be have a good point on this that i need to. I need to pray about about research. and if i don't charlotte i couldn't hear that sentence again. You say that sentence again herring could be what was right about this. I did didn't i see. Look at the final. gosh it is just. We're so ingrained in it. Are we not czars like here. We're talking against at nine. And i'm using it as a definition i know but i but my my point is. I didn't know there had to be a person right or wrong about it. I didn't get that part. But i having said that taking a look at some of the things that happened in the last last week you have to speak out about something right right in. Yes yes i you know. I'm i'm i'm i'm very careful about as you know about politics and i think the things that have occurred in the last week it is essential to ignore the politics it. It's it's it's it's ignoring the ferry. Life existence of people structure of our democracy is at risk. You know this is these are these are very very troubling times and it does have to be it. Is you nailed a terrier. It is all about being right or wrong or less more than that sides. My side or your side. I mean when. I when i did some things earlier in this twenty well from for the last few years is one of the first times i've been invited to do con conversations with groups about. How do you talk to people in your family who are completely different others. This is the first time in all in my forty years of doing ministry. That i've actually had been invited to talk about that for just curious to me because there's always been different parties and so that's an irony to me however politics is not a dirty word of politics is simply about how we engage as human beings together. That's politics yes now. Political for record choices decisions strategies. That's a whole. That's a different kind of thing. That's that's how you that's how you manage that. Politics itself is a neutral word. That's how you get along. Well that means you have to start with the fact that there's a re in that sense not an is if there's a ring then the question is what does it mean for us to be a community. What is that look like. And and and can we be honest about things that break that community. What's the fracking that goes on that messes with that community and i have to answer that question without being a sort of taking sides thing. Does that make sense. Yes i have to say. There's things fracture the community that break the community without saying it's me versus. You knew you're going to happen helping with one word means. I know it's an cracking tracking. Is the the what we did to get oil out of the out of the earth by breaking different layers of the earth. No i see okay. So reagan layers breaking up breaking cracking. I have to. I have in this conversation. And we're talking about taking side you know. What is a big driver in that. But what's what's driving the vehement oppositions it is it is a a culprit on both sides are also is not two sides or many sides now But it's fair. Terry and and what are we afraid of. What are we afraid of. That is it is afraid of power. It is but it's what is the fear that's going on. Because i think the fear is what's driving and i. I think it's a fear of of everyone it's not one particular group Political affiliation the lost on that one. The fear part did i. You don't think it's about fair you don't think it's afraid about trade of lose. Zine of losing something of losing influence control our power position or prestige. You don't think those are drivers in there and that's why that's why people react. The way they do. Yes yes i don't know. Oh literally don't know charlotte. Okay i know. I don't see i don't see that yeah. I'm pretty strong. I mean when. I mean the fear part. I get the fear part in the sense. That is my identity is not in a good place then yes. I'll be driven by here. There's no doubt about that. Three things are very important to me that it will will define my party and that's freedom especially freedom of speech meritocracy and and while i said three woods. The third one meritocracy freedom and individualism and afraid of losing those. I am deeply afraid of losing those. But i'm not going to I'm not going to are you going to beat. Are you going to beat somebody up over. That was exactly what i was saying. I'm not going to be violent over it. i'm not. I'm not gonna have the tree all over it. I think the only thing is the only solution is Is dialogue and is trying to understand that our our back to the we in that sense of the we the community. If i start with that fundamental reality in grace exists in our identities intact because of grace we start with a week that means we come to the table and and if we start with we politics is we. The politics is week now. The political ramifications those are the those are the nuancing quote laws etc past. Now let's fight it out about what individualism looks like well. That's a whole different deal then putting the cart before the horse and saying my ideas right idea. You're wrong because because there's something that's inadequate and my identity and so i wasn't seen as fear so much as the fact that i i i don't have grounding the standoff therefore to hate you before we even get to deciding what that looks like no now. You're now you're now you're getting to the now. You're getting to the heart of it when you started in about now. Now i i have to hate you in or in order to justify or verify my beliefs. See the point. Is charlie if. I don't if i don't start with. Grace begins with a sunset if grace's real grace israel for you that means we start with we. If we don't start with we the only thing that links us his hostility kosh. That's very strong. You know what. I'd like to close with. I'd like to close with pretend. I have a flip chart and were brainstorming. And so we're not coming up with a p- redesigned list of things. People should follow but brainstorming. How can and we'd america as individuals and anna we. How can we as in as an individual. How can we incorporate that. Kind of grace compassion. Understanding with the knowledge of that is who our god is that is how we are created. We're career created to be that way. What are things we might apply in our personal life or or seek in our personal life in order to imitate those those beliefs I how can how can i How can i have firm and realized gracious alive and well with me today and therefore how can i then therefore not be a victim and so step into life into the quote fray knowing the gracious alive and well there but not everyone sees it. And so it's it's a cacophony. How can i do that. And so how. Can i carry that message of grace and wellbeing and community and therefore mercy and justice. How can carry that. And how can we do that even because we can. Now do that at the places where we can disagree without killing jar. You just restated my question that much better way within i asked how let's let's just think of you know what are what are you know. I'll start it. And i'm just going to quote you. We begin with we. We the people not merely it begins with a week. What else would you add. I mean i. It's almost it's it's. It's an interesting thing that almost has to happen. You know where i can. An individual relationships fine with people who are because the sides are so. How can i hear or listen to tell me i want to just. I wanna know what's going on. How can i listen. how can i hear. This is a story that has nothing to do with the current situation per se. But here's what's interesting charlie. Back in the day back in the day. I told this to back when i was a pastor. Cared about church said we were going to be honest. I yeah i used to do comps as you know. Big conference about single people in church and and these pastors lots of pastors game these big conferences. And they ask but what do you do homosexuals. They didn't own gay homosexuals back in the day and of course my answer was you know we. We hate to send love the center. Which was the communist. That was asked to say things and that was that. Is you say it because you just. Here's the thing is. Because i didn't believe in grace and fried to say the right thing to prove that i was somebody see. I didn't believe in grace. So i had to say something to prove that my side was right so i said that and so i had a couple of pastors. Who happened to be. They happen to be gay but they were at the conference. That came to my office. Because they've known me and they'd known about the a little bit. And they said terry. I know you said that police say that again. I said they said because you don't believe it. That's not who you are. In other words. I was saying stuff. That wasn't me. And i know i'm trying to say that about today's stuff too. I don't need to say stuff to impress somebody. I needed to say stuff to make us better we. What do i say to make us a better week. I love that you know. I've been to several of your conferences. And you you know you. And i talked but i watched the way you you engage with your audiences and you have always talk to message of hope a message of grace a message of the goodness god expressed through the goodness of individuals that that god. And and and this message of non-judgmental ism openness acceptance of acceptance of the god of grace you have such a powerful following. Why why is it that people want it so so many people want to come and listen to you. What what is it that you are. I think i think that's the quiet question question we close with. But what is it you offer in this. That makes god attractive to people at the century. Give when when. I'm hired People say it's not always religious hired for right health care Education center people. Say what will they get from their time with you and other words. What's the take away. Yeah but were they walk home. They wanna know. What are we paying for right. And my honest answer is simply this if it's ninety minutes two hours whatever i'm with it at the end of that time they'll be glad to be alive. You almost brings tears to my eyes terry. You know that that at the end of the time with you there will be glad to be alive and what my hope is. Is that the handful of people that think like you. And i and it's more than a handful you know. There's a number of people to think that that we could offer that message to people that are saying that we america's falling apart that we could help them say see. I'm glad to be alive. This is a catastrophic horrible situation that we're in but that we are. We are glad to be alive and and and we are glad to an to for me that we could somehow help people to understand. That is the goal of god that we are glad to be alive in the presence of divinity now and amen and because of that that is true within now we care now we really care i could ramble on in this conversation forever. But i'm not going to. I'm going to close it up. Thank our audience for participating in this emotional and a bit unguarded conversation that we didn't know where it was to end which is not unlike us. But i want to thank you for sharing For enlightening us with your wisdom your compassion and what i like to look at is your offering alternatives for a life of peace. A life of hope and involved in the life of grace. Thank you terry. Nelson wanna think our listeners for tuning into the next chapter with charlie. You could check us out on our website. But i'd rather you just ponder the thoughts and think how can you be a part of grace and love and compassion and care for your sake if not for the sake of our country. This is charlie hedges said signing off by for now.

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257. Recomendaciones de pies y brazos de micrfono en @elrecuento

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05:52 min | 2 months ago

257. Recomendaciones de pies y brazos de micrfono en @elrecuento

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Pickled Watermelon and Pigs' Ears: Ukraines Summer Kitchens

Christopher Kimball's Milk Street Radio

52:11 min | 5 months ago

Pickled Watermelon and Pigs' Ears: Ukraines Summer Kitchens

"Hi, this is Christopher Kimball thanks for listening to Milk Street radio. You can go to our website one, seven, seven street dot Com to get recipes to stream or a television show or to get our latest cookbooks. Here's this week show. This is mostly radio from I'm your host Christopher Kimball. For her new book only. Traveled to every corner of Ukraine from the Carpathian mountains to the Black Sea to explore the food of summer kitchens. Today Hercules shares, her memories of these kitchens, her love of pickled watermelon pigs, ears, and why she believes in growing your own food. There was a point where I thought Oh. What if they do run out of things so what if you know and then just suddenly thought Oh maybe we should dig up a little bit more of that lawn you know put more soil in and and start growing in Ukraine it's definitely a very important part of people's lives I don't know and also it's such a Joy Also coming up Dan Pashmina tells us about his favorite snacks for the beach in later we share a recipe for Taiwanese. Grilled core but first we hear from Dr Howard Conyers. He's a NASA rocket scientists whole hog pit master and former host at the PBS digital series nourish. Doctor. Conyers welcome to, milk. Thanks for having me I've never spoken to a rocket scientist especially one who can do a whole hog, but this is the first time for everything up. Let's start with your first time you barbecued a hog. Age Eleven you learn. I guess from your father among other people How did they do it? The first time I cook a whole hog. For and then we actually butchered and do we get ready to do to barbecue we? We butterflied open had a burger barrel and we had would ready to go and a burned embers down all night in. Kohl's throughout the cooking process until it was dud and my family came over to particular who? In Vermont they often use refrigerators for smoking, but you said that I think sometimes you take a refrigerator and take the top off and turn that into a barbecue pit, right? Yes. So we take the frigerator, take the installation refrigerator and we lay down horizontal. And within that frigerator, we will actually put racks just to cut a hole, two pieces of fence wire, and so those pieces a fence wire was sandwiched hall. When we flip it at the very end of the cooking process and we have a door, we'll cut another little door on basically wanted to side wall so we can put underneath the Hamson shoulders. So one hundred and thirty pound pigs in a take all day, right? Yeah. We we barely have anywhere from ten to thirteen or fourteen hours of cooking time with also is a function of the outdoor temperature. So the wintertime's nearly take a little bit longer to cook. And just sometimes, some animals are just a little stubborn. Alive, and dead. So. who gets to actually take the meat off the bone. Once you're finished cookies that a bunch of people show up to do that. Sometimes people will eat it off to within another time. We will bringing a whole hog in on a pan and into the house and we'll work it up like dat. At Up, we want to get all the bones and stuff out of like shoulder blades. hipbones the ribs could you wanna mix the long meet with the red meat and the show doesn't a hams because each those sections have different textures the different flavor. and. So when you hall you WanNa have a mixture land desk series of why I believe whole hog is the holy grail of barbecue because when you could like just a Boston butter pork shoulder is not the same experience. You said that cooking whole hog was a tradition that was getting lost and that's one reason you wanted to go start it up again. Why was there move away from whole hog cooking? Barbecue is being lost in my community because the of black farmers cook whole hog was gone away and as those farmers went away from the land so that the whole barbecue tradition. And what I realized was Donna I could really sita's tradition care for it in a really authentic way was. If I continued on in a way I was taught I mean I. I like a good steak like a good hambur. Good ribs but I think also for me cooking the whole animal was more is also about fellowship coming together. To me when I Cook Barbecue. Generally away to show a lot of love to the people we really cared a lot about. You talk about engineering because a scientists and cooking a whole hog. What is your engineering background help you with when it comes to cooking a pig. I was say the techniques I use cooking barbecue are- traditional, but what went to cook a whole cow about two years ago? I probably could've brute force it, but I said why not use an engineering approach to actually bid to handle maneuver lows of a whole cal See. If a five hundred pound cow, what did you do to be able to move it around probably about how we had a little when probably about three hundred and thirty pounds and that was plenty big enough. I'd never cooked the whole cow in my life but. I knew from Reading Literature Oh historic leave literature did a I would need to kinda rotate the cow not like a Rotisserie, but periodically through the cooking process. And so I wanted to be able to turn that animal with ease every three or four hours. It would almost attorney a finger. See You put this on a big metal pole and then wrapped it up with wire or something, and then yes, we had a big poll. We had basically built like a cage in the center of it and we sandwich it together lock it in. So we rotated in fall out and how long jeff to cook at three hundred, thirty pound cow. Cal. To about twenty four hours twenty to twenty four hours. And other thing you said really caught my attention was you said I never knew the word pitmasters growing up, he wanted to talk about. Growing up when we cook Barbecue I never heard a were pit master pitmasters was something I heard in the past, maybe ten years or so and and what I will say about that is the people who call themselves pitmasters today. A lot of them. I don't think truly pitmasters and why see that it was because the individuals who I learned from, they learn to Cook Hall to Ho Animals in the ground. Dan Transition the blocks refrigerator's old fuel tanks. And they'd never use Mama Tres. I have seen some cooking equipment today that if you set it up right and you you almost walk away from it and I don't really consider that a barbecue pit master and a pit masturbate cook any whole Ataman particularly 'cause part of the barbecue thing is what people is farming. Didn't kill a whole animal just for a brisket killed the whole animal for the whole animal. So, how did you end up one hand being a rocket scientist on the other hand? DOING HOG cooking I I guess there's no reason they shouldn't go together growing up where I grew up in the area soccer lana whole hog barbecue was all around me. So was just one of those days people in my community did but the whole thing about becoming a rocket scientist I could definitely say de so very rare today. But what I, what I would say. My love of math and science came from growing on the far. Had like a laboratory every time I work father farm. The peeling thing about engineering and science to me. Is the ability to solve complex problems. You're given a set of constraints or factors and Beta put them together in A. Unimaginable way that is what keeps me a about engineering and it also shows you the beauty of the human mind. If we want to do something if we think we can almost do it. So I, don't know if you can answer this question or allowed to but. Whereas NASA. In terms of the kinds of things is trying to do in achieve. After that but I mean I know that we're working on Nassar's working also large system. Is Going to moon going to Mars well, it'd be really cool if you go to Mars and do the first whole hog barbecue. You'd have to figure out how to do that in. An environment with no oxygen but maybe you'd figure they get a lot of likes on instagram is going to go nuts lots of shuttered things. Gotcha kayakers it's been a real pleasure, whole hog cooking for the twenty-first century. Thank you. Thank you for having me. A rocket scientist in Pitt master. Dr Howard. COPS. Side. To take some of your calls and my co host Sara Moulton Sarah is of course the star of Sara's meals public television also author of home cooking. So Chris, before we get started to ask you a question, have you ever had a complete disaster like when everybody else is waiting in the next room for dinner and you just completely mess something up It dropped at something like that. How long is this show an hour? I don't think we have enough to if it was innate our show I could go into the highlights I. Think the worst was I had a magazine group editor, photographer, etc coming up. To the farm, I made an impromptu sort of blueberry peach tar. Well I did a great job. I have say with a PUTT, sue cray and everything else and in the pan into the oven. And it's slid off into the back of the oven down to the bottom and I said to everybody we want you go outside for a minute. You know bring out some drinks in ten minutes literally or even I think it was less six or seven minutes made the dough from scratch. Put It in the Pan I? Didn't have peaches. BLUEBERRIES got back in the oven was a record and then when we serve lunch. I think the editor from the magazine said wasn't that a blueberry peach tart. And I said it was blueberry turn. Didn't say I did rescue that. But I've had plenty of times when it was just the disaster ended up just being disaster. All right time to take some calls. Welcome, to St who's calling this, Jason. Hi Jason, where are you calling from? I'm in Dallas how can we help you today? Well. Having trouble with my stallion pancakes they they look good and they taste good. But I can't get them. Chris. Be All the way through. Well let's just pause for half a second actually explain to people what these are. It's a Korean pancake with lightish batter that you pour overs vegetables in a skillet and your vegetables cooked in Karma is very thin and then you cut it into wedges. Does that sound about like what you're doing? Yep. Exactly and you're just using scallions. That's put in their scions, not regular steely Dan or is the batter thick or are they? May Be eight an inch thick. Seems Right I. could see it being frisked on the outside but moist on the inside and I sort of think should be but clear Lucas. Had it first of all the way through somewhere? Yeah. When I go to a restaurant really Chris Ball, there. Yeah. Crisp all the way through mine are Kinda wet and Say Bushy. Little crisper all the way through is the pan good in hot. Are you using some oil and making sure it's hot before you put the battery in the Pan? Yeah. On doing that now, when I go to flip it though courses no oil. Put, a little bit on second side. no I generally don't do that. I would. Okay, that might help right there and maybe even the temperature slightly to get a little crispy on the outside I've also heard data is very cold, and then you put it in a very hot pan that helps. So maybe put the in the freezer for debt and you put it in a very hot pan that will help to make it be even crispier. Now, I'm going to see what Chris says to say he's feels rising quiet. Because I've never made a Korean scully bank. That's probably why I wasn't Taiwan a couple years ago and they have skelly pancakes too i. do know the hallmark of those pancakes are inside they had this wonderful stretchy texture. Really liked the two kinds, the batter kind which sounds like what you're doing, and then they also kind that was the hallmark of that style but it wasn't soft inside he was sort of stretched pulled apart. That was the kind I really liked. I agree with Sarah that. I just think if you have a hotter pan and maybe colder batter and Cook it enough is this a nonstick skillet you're using your. Concept I would suggest, but it's problematic using a big carbon steel pan like a twelve inch carbon steel. That's well season because that will really give you the right kind of heat. But you got really season it well, because the batter will stick to it probably. But yeah, I would go with Sarah suggestion and add on for when you flip it it's going to need that oil will help to Brown in the second side, bont I'll give dot. Okay. Well, thank you. Okay. Thank you. Take Care Okay Bye. Welcome to mill street. WHO's calling? Chris from Woodbury New Jersey. Are you? I'm doing well, how are you guys? Pretty good. How can we help you? I actually had a question about spice rooms. Okay. I make this special. It's mostly consisting brown sugar and my issue is it tends to clump after about a day and like a sealed container tends to. that. More. Is there something I could do to stop that from happening? Is there something added to it? You can be like me and cheat you can buy these white plastic containers and on the inside of the top, it has a little pottery disc. And you so that in water for twenty minutes and then inserted into the top. And I keep brown sugar which sounds pretty much most of which were spicer is in those containers in the fridge and that stuff stays without clumping for very long time. That would be one thing you could do other people suggests putting slices of white Britain to absorb. Excess. Moisture found that doesn't work as well. So those little containers they're also called sugar bears you can buy them separately online against soaked them and put them in with the sugar you could use a different kind of sugar a drier sugar like a palm sugar coconut sugar some of that coconut sugars very very. It's almost like little pearls. My guess is that wouldn't clump up as much but I would just buy one of those containers they're six or seven bucks. I don't know I. Think they do a pretty good job Sarah I have had success actually with the bread situation. I've also done apples also, there's instructions on the back of the package about how you can microwave it to soften it up to get it more smooth again, but you could also try turban auto sugars and other like Chris said a different kind of sugar but also the problem with Brown sugars it doesn't distribute very well. So in that case, but maybe a different sugar would work better in your ropes. I was just thinking the opposite though that if he wants spices to mix in with brown sugar. which is very moist it would make sin but a very granulated. You know hard little bits in may be that the spices and the sugar donati mix very well. My guess is just get a cheap container that keeps it moist with these other sugar. Substitutes will actually change the flavor. Since not exactly brown sugar them you using palm sugar and coconut sugar different. Yeah. A TURBAN NADO. Not so much absolute. We'll try those but I think even destroying brown sugar you need to get those things anyway or some method for keeping it moist. I. Mean the Sandwich Bread slices do work but you have to keep replacing them. Okay Gotcha. Thank you very much. Take care. Thanks for calling Chris. You're much of. This is most street radio. If you have a cooking question, we're here to help give us a call eight, five, five, four to six, ninety, four, three, one, more time, eight, five, five, four, two, six, nine, eight, four, three or email us at questions at mill street radio DOT COM. Welcome to milk street WHO's calling? Hey, it's we where are you calling from Oakland California. How can we help you? I've been backpacking quite a bit recently and I've been struggling to find food that tastes good. Is Lightweight and his homemade. Cooking books that I've seen used to hydrate her and I don't really want to get one because I live in a small apartment. Do you have any recommendations? Yeah. Here's some things that won't spoil. It probably are worth doing tomato paste and a tube. Is a great way to start cooking. That's a ton of flavor. You can actually make make tomato sauce using nothing, but tomato paste and some spices in water really grains FRAGO free as great. It cooks fairly quickly in water or lentils do as well get a jar of. pesto or saul severity or something obviously that's going to keep and that a lot of ton of flavor. Good canned fish also works well, but I think grains rice and some flavoring basis. Some. Spices or spice blends like Sitar Bergara, something like that. Those are the kinds of things like pantry ingredients that you keep at home you can take on the road would be good Sarah. I was thinking why not cured meats like Salami or thought a little bit of that goes a long way you could add that to a pasta dish or green dish to really make it exciting. Then I agree with everything else that Chris said. There's this thing called Backpacker magazine. Female. I've read a lot of like books with different recommendations and recipes. I found that I wanted more of a gourmet mind like type recipe. There are there any like circle examples or meals that people would travel with back in the day that might work? I was thinking like Silk Road would definitely be back in the day. No I mean back in the day everything was preserved right Because they didn't have refrigeration. So most of the food you ate whether it was Kimchi or cabbage or pickles or pickled vegetables everything was preserved fermented. So that would be the solution to that but that's not. Lightweight? Leaning on pantry ingredients, you can make terrific dishes out of all those dry things like pasta trunk apartment, Shelby. Good. Chaka of Parmesan would be great. Don't forget the grey acoustic again, it has very little I would think really interesting pepper like around low pepper. Of Pepper one of those ads a lot of flavor and obviously keeps forever. Give that a shot in this recall Aman. Yes. Thank you. Take care. Welcome to milk street WHO's calling. It just. Susan. Where are you calling from? I'm calling from some city Arizona. How can we help you? years ago eighty two. So it's quite a few years ago. My mom always made a called plum pudding but I think she then changed to Suet pudding for the holiday like Thanksgiving and Christmas and she used to it that she ground up and then use that in in the batter. I can't find suet and I wonder if what I could use as a replacement. Well okay first of all, let me just say that I also had a plum pudding when I grew up my grandmother who'd gone to the Garland School of Cookery in Boston. That was one of the learned how to make for people who don't know it's British thing and you get this tin mold and you pack the battery into it, and then you put it in down steamer and you steam it for hours and there are no plumps in it. It's a lot of spices and then it's got yellow. It is an important ingredient in what's Suet is the fact that you find around the kidneys in beef and It's a little hard to get but. Nigel Lawson. WHO's a famous British CHEF TV personality has suggested substituting shortening and clean grading it on the side of greater and putting it into the freezer to chill it. What I remember the most about it was that we would bring to the table lighted, and of course, I thought that was fantastic and now. With hard sauce, which is water in. Over. Your Head, but I really loved it enter it. Cristiano. At anything I used to make plum pudding I have a little. You Know Little Tin Mold. You put a partial paper over the top and put the top on clip. It put in a big pot with water on Iraq and steam it for a few hours I used to it you could also use leave Florida which. Is from a pig it's around the kidneys as well. Rendered Leaf Florida. The vegetable shortening I don't think that would add the flavor though, but there's also about the things you know the the dried fruits and stuff you can put in alcohol I put in the pudding itself allegations. Yeah it's. It's not a hard recipe. No I have some flavored with cinnamon Paul than molasses. Accent. Dried, fruits like currency that would be nice. I would throw some alcohol on that as well because it should be. Richly flavored. Right who's it sounds like you're doing it right so yeah, I appreciate it and I love your show. Thanks for calling. We enjoy your call. Thank you. Take Care bye-bye. You're listening to next radio. AB- next chatting with only. About summer kitchens and cooking of Ukraine. That more just among. This is most your radio I'm your host Christopher. Kimball. It's my interview with Oli Hercules for her new book she travelled around Ukraine exploring summer kitchens. OLEA welcome back to milk street. Thank you. Thank you crucify having me back. Let's start with a really simple slash stupid question. Where is Ukraine? And and just describe a little bit about it because I think most people you have never been there and a little fuzzy on geography yeah. Ukraine is the second largest country in Europe, actually the second biggest up to Russia and it kind of its sandwiched between Russia on the East and then you've got Turkey kind of across the Black Sea at the bottom. So gets really hot in the south actually, and then you've got Poland Hungary. Moldova. Number I'd geography. Borders. So yeah, it's it's kind of like eastern Central Europe but very, very big. So you grew up in. I don't know if I pronounced that. Thank you I've never been there. A small town on the river in the southern part of Ukraine could you just describe the landscape what it was like as a child they're just to give us a sense of you know maybe it was no different than growing up outside of new. York City, I don't know but will what was alike. Now the landscape is definitely different to New York City. So I'm from the south of Ukraine and. It's you know it's that huge. Swath of steps. Steps are A. Really, flat plains basically that Ron all through from Central Asia kind of finishing in Hungary. So super super flat. When I when I go back to Ukraine a from England I always say, Oh, the sky is so big. So huge here we've got clouds hanging over our eyebrows as my mom says in London but in Ukraine, where I grew up, it's Yeah golden kind of like expanse of fields and yes, I live by I used to live by NAPA. River. So you know the town itself is a little bit kind of like Soviet industrial and can look very gray in winter but in the summer when all of the Agreed to me and the trees and things are blooming becomes really quite beautiful and you said to me before the soil is really amazing. You actually written about sometimes you know people have picked up the soil, moved it to other countries it so good. So that means of course, the produce especially in the south I guess is particularly terrific. Yes. You're. You're right the soil in Ukraine of school Chernow's Am and it's black ernest basically just. Yet, really entrant in rich soil and combined with that son. The south of Ukraine is actually not that far away from Turkey. So if you mentioned how hot Turkey is south of Ukraine gets really really hot. So made Tober, it's just Scorching Sun and combined with that really black rich. Yeah. The produce is just out of this world. Really. And because it's so hot people often had summer kitchens, right? So so what what is summer kitchen? So a somewhat kitchen is a separate little building. It looks like a miniature version of the of your main house and it's situated maybe a few steps away from your front door kind of thing within your smallholding if you're living somewhere rurally, but they also exist in small towns. It looks it just looks like a house. It's GONNA roof. It's got a couple of windows and a porch and a door. But as you come in is just one room is just the kitchen that. Disguising itself as a mini. House. And this is where people cook in the summer. The reason why I think they also look like houses is because that's the first thing that a young couple would build say in the in the fifties especially, this kind of tradition developed a young couple Ukraine would get married and they'd get their land with some luck and then they build the small structure and live there for the warmer months and Then, they'd a bigger house and they would plant the vegetables and the Orchard, etc, and then once all of that was over, they would just use this initial structure that they built as a summer kitchen. So to cook an all summer and also to preserve come September ferment and pickle and make jams, etc hundreds and hundreds of jaws to be used all throughout winter. Fermentation. The hot topic these days. I some of the recipes you talk about in your book are fascinated to really struck me was. fermented whole watermelons. And you use watermelon juice. As one of the liquids and you said, I didn't understand this use. Ri- TO KICK START THE FERMENTATION I don't quite understand that. Yes. So Ripe Berries and also rice flour. They especially, of course, if you using organic stuff, it already has yeasts kind of clinging onto it. That's why when you, for example, Sour Dough Starter just mixing your eye flour and water, but there's already some yeasts present in the Rye. So we'd just kicks thoughts the fermentation. Naturally. The other thing I noticed was fermented tomato pulp and that sounded really good it is. It's fantastic. So we either like blitz it up and then add a little bit of soul to it and then let it ferment and it's It's called Moss or you can do this other techniques that have gotten some kitchens where you literally just smush it with a fork really ripe tomatoes and you sprinkle them with salt and then you kind of have to keep an eye on them a little bit. But then it starts fermenting and it's just the most incredible thing is so delicious Abeysinghe addition to Borsch. Glad you mentioned Borsch. A friend of mine actually is. From the Ukraine he moved here many years ago and his wife cooked for me once and it was really much more of a meat soup. Thank. My guess is they're hundreds of variations on that theme, but you talk about a lot in your book which traditionally. What was Borsch? I. Think you mentioned Hog we'd goose foot a very light orange color all these things I know nothing about. So what's the history of Borsch? Well. As you mentioned like Bush is so regional, it varies from. Area to area in Ukraine and also released in Europe because Ukrainians are not the ones that make it. Beetroot you put. We put in but not necessarily, it's not. You don't have to pretend patriots to make it Borsch, we put three and then actually the regional. Bush. From the south of. Ukraine. Where I'm from, we actually use pink Beatriz that don't give off the red color. All of the color in abortion comes from these massive tomatoes that we grow. So it's kind of pink in color you know. So I grew up kind of thinking this is the correct Bush, and then I started doing this research and it's so varied. So when people say Ukrainian cuisine is that just a ridiculous idea because there's I mean there must be what a dozen or I don't know how many. Different regions of Ukraine of a totally different approach to cooking as you said as the second largest. country. After Russia. So, is there such a thing as Ukrainian cuisine? Is there something that everyone makes? It's pretty similar or read different? No I think there is such a thing. There are kind of common themes going throughout the regions everybody will have their own version of Borsch, even fit varies it's still Bush. Then they would, of course, be some kind of cabbage rolls. You know all the stereotypes maybe of Ukrainian cuisine that you know that you've heard of the. Everybody's got their version dumplings etcetera. But what would vary is, of course, there are some regional dishes that completely do not repeat. For example, I've been to the south west of Ukraine and I went to the village historically Bulgarian actually and there are dishes that are very Turkic. Such an interesting picture that I saw. Once we were sitting in the summer kitchen with this beautiful woman with. The head scarf on and she sitting almost on the floor and this really small bench and she's got this really large table in front of her and a really long rolling and she's rolling out this though you know she looked Turkish. But behind her you know you've got the Ukrainian embroidered cloth that her mother was made. So it's the. Mixture of interweaving of cultures is is really interesting. You went into this thing about spelt you driven six hours. Someone was GonNa Cook Spelt dumplings for you and they told you look you're not gonNa feel heavy like after usual dish of dumplings you're gonNA feel enlivened energetic, and in fact you were. So did you get converted to the spelt? Express here you know what I was so dubious because I love my white flour and my dumplings that I'm really used to yet because. The within the realize Asian people have stopped using wholemeal flour and the same in Ukraine, Soviet Union. Of course, it was the super industrialized. But in the past as this man told me, we did use a lot of wholemeal even to make dumplings and I was still like, Oh, no I'm going to hate this belt but dumplings, it's not going to be good and then. They made them his wife made them. You have to work really quickly because The dough changes texture. and. You won't be able to kind of like a stick together very easily if you if you dawdle around too much. So she made them very simple spell dose spelled flour and water, and then you've got your Sauerkraut and a little bit of mushroom inside maybe some cameras onions she boiled them and she gave it to us with loads of homemade sour cream and they were delicious. But I did have ten and I did I did feel light an ascetic it was the end of the day and I thought I'll just be sleeping in the car because we had a really long journey to leave afterwards but I did I felt really good and yes, I am convert I still make the wide dumplings but. My husband really loves the spelt wants. So yeah, we make them a lot. In the book, you have some unusual ingredients, pig, Xerox, tongue, etc in Soom like any rural cuisine people using every part of the pig, for example, the animal because you just talk about those ingredients, some some of the ones you really like a lot. So pigs ears fantastic. They don't have much flavor but I love the kind of Crunchy cartilages if you if you have to grow up with it to really love it but I do enjoy it and luckily my eight year old son really likes it as well and the recipe. Good. Because you you coached them I. In a nice story can be just water, and then afterwards you can fry them or you can leave them as they are, but then you make this really. Powerful paste with. Hot, Paprika and salt and garlic, and then you kind of dress them in that and it goes really well with. A couple of things I noticed this idea of fat. Sallow Salo. With maybe garlic in it or something, but the idea of fat on bread. Especially, a dark Brenner Rye bread is just one of those things. It's part of the culture especially if you have a little vodka with it or something. Y- is that true? Is that something? That's just is a common dish to have yes, it is In fact, my freezer is always stocked with it because my mom brings from Ukraine every time she makes it and brings it over. It's like it's very similar to Italian Lardo. And Yeah you just slice it really really thinly and you put it on a slice of Rye bread is he said, is just one of the most delicious things you have a really good quality meat. Of course, the fat is going to be so tasty I mean I don't know I'm just a big lover of animal fats. And the sallow is particularly good. So let's step back a second. What is it like being in a Ukrainian kitchen because it's very different than the kitchen I grew up in I'm sure could you just give us some sense of what that's like? Yes. I'll tell you how it was when I was growing up. So everything was extremely seasonal. So in winter, you just get root vegetables bega your carrots onions. Whatever at in the summer Again you'd get whatever was growing in your garden or that you picked up in the market and we didn't have convenient foods in the way we didn't. Cook out of a packet in a way you know everything was handmade and actually thinking back some of it was pretty amazing and technical. Some of the phyllo pastry mom would just knock up by hand. On the sets a day after noon. Growing up, it just seemed so regular and now thinking back I'm thinking, Wow, I was really lucky kid and of course, this whole culture of preserving was. Also. Very prevalent and something that we grew up with. So you know if especially if mom was making a huge VAT of raspberry jam. Really. Ronnie. One though the foam kind of rising to the top and we knew that a treat was coming in and she'd just skimmed off, put it in a bowl and that was our treat thinking about it. It's probably quite restaurant vibe foam or something you know Raspberry Foam. But it was amazing and. They'll have really warm memories of picking stuff that we would have grown in the garden and then helping with some menial jobs like taking. Taking Cherry. Stones. Out of the cherries or something like that or sorting your. Thirty. Kilos of cucumbers for pickling whatever you had to have the perfect specimens. So yeah, it was thinking back was actually pretty magical. Do you think the self sufficiency, which maybe is more prevalent among people a little bit older is that really important to you? You think the the ability to grow your own food and feed yourself even in hard times. Oh, absolutely. Yes it's. It's one of the most important things and you know the past couple of months I know we were nowhere near obviously starvation or anything like that Oh my God, I couldn't get my. Online shopping slot I know what it sounds like. But there was a there was a point where thought what if they do run out of things if you know and then just suddenly thought Oh maybe we should. Dig Up a little bit more of that lawn put more soil in and start growing in Ukraine. It's definitely a very important part of people's lives. In, all sorts such joy. All. Thank you so much. I have to say that the Romanticism inherent in the summer kitchen is just lovely I just want to be there right now. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me. That was all your curriculum. Our new book is called. Summer Kitchens. A. Time to chat with Catherine Smart about this week's recipe Taiwanese grilled corn. Catherine Area I'm fine. Thanks. How are you? I was in Taipei in Taiwan and I went to rally night market I got off the plane went to the hotel, and then immediately went to the market. The had to be at least one, hundred food stalls there, and one of them was a rotisserie corn. Now, each individual years rotating over the fire and we find out later they used a combination of Lard, is a base. And a lot of fermented sausage, the unique to Taiwan. But he had a great color in a terrific outer coating and a lot of flavor. So we brought that back to most street and we don't have richest remorse and we don't have some of those commented pace like shrimp paste they use. So your job is to figure out how to translate this recipes we liked to law. Made it really easy for US Chris? Find. Food made on equipment we don't have. Can't find me. But Hey. We figured it out what we ended up with was something really delicious that had those same flavor profiles, same kind of texture and smokiness. So what we did was instead of using the Rotisserie, we just used a backyard grill and you can use charcoal or you can use gas the key is We're going to cook the corn in the Husk. So rather than based at Wallet Cooks, we based it towards the ends to prevent that based from burning. So this is over a high heat as a medium. Yes. Chris it's high heat the whole time you have the corn directly over the coals over the flame once it's cool enough to handle you husky, you put it back on the grill and that's when we based it. So Chris, we didn't have those dried shrimp that you talked about and we decided not to use Lard, but we were able to make a really flavorful sauce ct with similar flavor profile using waste, your sauce and rice. Vinegar. Sure and then also go to Jiang, which is a fermented chili paste from Korea, and even though it's a fermented chili paste, it's not particularly hot. It's more sweet and salty with just a little bit of heat and what are you going to say all the listeners he just said go through Chang. What they've never heard of it before and they don't think they can get it I will say go to your local grocer. Of course, you can always order this online, but you'd be surprised to Jiang is everywhere now we're seeing it in all kinds of grocery stores release the next Raja by go Chang potato chips you can. So it's. Not a dessert topping yet, but it's on everything else. So you base it and just cook it a few minutes to finish. That's right Chris. So it's only going to take another five to seven minutes and then transferred to a platter, and then to dress it up a little bit, we did add some fresh salon tro and sesame seeds not something they do by the way in Taipei. But I think it adds a little bit of flair to it. Catherine. Thank you very much time grill corn brought home from Taipei. You can do it on your backyard grill. Thanks. Thanks Chris. You can find this recipe and all the recipes at one seven, seven extreme dot com. You're listening to milk. STREET RADIO COMING UP Pashmina. tells us how to achieve snacking perfection at the beach. We'll be right back. 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As a milk street listener you get fifteen percent off an annual membership go to masterclass dot com slash milk that's masterclass dot com slash m I. L K, for fifteen percent off masterclass. Most radio I'm Christopher Kimball. Now, it's time for some culinary wisdom from one of our listeners. This is Sheila from Oregon Wisconsin and here's my. The ever find great. At a garage sale or take sale find them. I find they're useless for great foods, but I, feel. Avocados and. That's it. If you'd like to share your own cooking tap on milk street radio. Please go to one seven, seven, Milk Street, dot com slash radio tips. Next up, it's the unpredictable Dan Passion. Dan Cashman, how are you? I'm doing all right Chris. Have you been been? Okay. been looking forward to chatting with you I'm sure you'll have a different take on the world and. I think I could use a different take well, yeah, and you know. This time of year. Hopefully, folks are having the opportunity to get to the beach a little bit. Do you go to the Beach Chris? Never. Under no circumstances and go to the I, don't think I could even picture you insurance well I have this thing about shorts I. Think if you're over twenty five, you shouldn't be allowed to buy shorts I, think it should be just illegal. So No, I don't wear shorts either. T shirts, right. So this segment may not resonate deeply with you. Spoil but. Here's the thing. I think you know when I go to the Beach I WANNA. Bring snacks and I think that we all need to think a little bit more carefully about pairing our snacks with the beach because the beaches a unique culinary environment Chris. On the few vacations Ben I which included the beach I. Think you're absolutely right I. Think doing anything on a beach reading eating drinking. Has To be customized experience that's an exact with you, its own ecosystem and in particular with regard to the way that it affects your Palette. You have salt air and salt water. So they're they're you enter the beach environment and there's already a baseline of salinity but does not exist in other environments and this is going to be on your tongue. It's going to be in your nose. If you go in the water, I was even be enhanced. You know I think we talked years ago, Chris about the research around eating on an airplane, which shows that because it's so dry in an airplane, your taste perception is decreased and so they designed airplane food with more salt. Right, I think the because of the high salinity in the beach environment, you must go in one of two directions either lean into the salt, and if you're GonNa do that, you need extra salt because there's already salt everywhere. She's not going to taste mild salt because there's mild salt in the air. Or you can go to the other extreme and go like extreme juicy sweet I well. Okay. So so you're saying that there's a baseline of salt. So if you WANNA notice salt, you have to double down. That's right. Salty chips, salted pretzels all those kinds of things are great at the beach I think that enhanced by the salty environment but I also will recommend salting your fruit, your salting and Banana I mean what? What you think salted watermelon remind my top choice. Okay. Okay. Again in the same way, you might add a salty cheese like fettuccini watermelon. Yeah. just bring your Mauldin salt to the beach get fancy breakout your watermelon and you sprinkle salt on it right there you don't. WanNa let it sit in the salt. Bring the salt and apply at the beach visits in the salt it'll bring out all the water won't be as good. But a little bit of salt and that watermelon takes it to a whole other level. But but to be fair Dan that would be true if you're sitting inside and sixty five degrees out of the sun I mean salt on watermelon is a good idea or even a little chilly right something spicy that would work at the beach or not right? Yes. Salt on watermelon is good all the time but I believe the experience is enhanced. At the beach because of the salty air. It's sort of like brings the experience of your external environment and your palate altogether as one, and you get that salt that brings forth the flavor you get the juice and I will actually go so far. This is another one Chris where I think yeah, it's delicious anytime especially in hot weather but especially at the beach salt your beer really yes, you take. A can of beer crack it open squeezed some lime juice in there, and then sprinkle salt on the top not a lot. Just a pinch. It'll be gone by the time you're half with the can and the the watermelon going and the salty air and the breeze and the ocean, and it is absolutely divine. So you're Margarita Ville, really right with the Margarita. An all time. Great hot weather drink perfect example of a situation where salt and fruit come together with alcohol and the Ocean to create a three hundred, sixty degree taste experience. So the family gets out of its mini van or whatever at the beach parking lot. And you you have the picnic basket historical and fins and other measurable. Right have to bring their whatever, and then you bring a large bag with beer and watermelon. Correct. You've got your loaded down to go to the yes and then I pull out my little box of Mauldin salt and I started lecturing people on the importance of. It and they start rolling their eyes in tuning me out pretty quickly but then they stop complaining when they started eating the watermelon. Okay. So salt it a salty environment add more salt that's right and I love the I. Love the watermelon and the beer that's Yeah if I have to go to the beach I will bring a six pack molten salt and watermelon. Dan? Great. Advice for beachgoers. Thank you so much jeers Chris. That was Dan passionate host of the sport food podcast. Dan. Says that salty snacks fair best was salty site air to question of overcompensation for a higher ambient level of salt. And that does sound like basic food science and someone's probably done the study but I wouldn't laugh in the nineteen sixty scientists studied the reaction of students. When told that they had to limit their alcohol intake, the answer was the got mad and simply drank more. So maybe we don't need scientists to explain basic human behavior potato chips tastes good on the beach no matter what the science tells us. That's it for today if you tuned into later WANNA. Listen again you can download and subscribe to milk. 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Will Boris really cut immigration?

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Will Boris really cut immigration?

"Just before we start listening to this podcast reminded that we have a special subscription offer. He can at twelve issues with the spectator for twelve pounds as well as the twenty pound Amazon voucher the go-to You spectator dot com forward slash voucher. If you'd like to get his offer and welcome to special Saturday edition of coffee has shots. I'm cables nine. Joined by Andrew Suspect haters economics correspondent and Policy Exchanges David Goodhart. So what will the. UK's post brexit immigration system. Look like is a topic of hot debate right now. We're expecting Migration Advisory Commission report in the coming weeks but it will give us guidance what that should mean in terms of who gets to work in were they must meet and one of the big topics of discussion is have exactly on. Australian style points base to stifle what what. The government seems to be leaning towards K.. You can kick us off at Flosi of just hurt. The Tam Australian Radian points based system several times and political debates elections over the past couple years. What do they actually mean. So a points based system and immigration is is in a very basic way of explaining it. One in which certain characteristics are allotted a certain number of points. And if you can add up enough points to get past the country's threshold old then you may well be able to migrate there to work and to live. So if we look specifically to Australia they show points for a whole host of things ranging from in your age your skill set your level of qualifications in education. What job you might be applying for in Australia. They even consider things like whether or not your partner. Owner is a high skelter low skilled worker or able to contribute to the workforce. You've got certain points for your proficiency in language and so in Australia you know. They are more centralized. The government puts more weight on bringing in the jobs in the skill sets at the government thinks. Australia's going to need in the future. But there lots of points systems around the world. I think the UK actually has a points based system which is more employer lead at the moment but certainly a points system for non EU migrants. If you want to come to the UK from anywhere outside of the the moment you are also using essentially points based system so arguably we already have one. The question is how might how might it change going into the future. Yes David thing that is changing here is clearly government has been very clear that freedom of movement is going to end says what rose again in fact. Ease it in the future. He wanted to come and and live here and work here. Given the kate suggesting we already have in some ways a points based system when it comes to countries is going to be a fatty simple process G. You think who is actually very complicated. Well obviously we hope. It's going to be relatively straightforward. I think what matters is is that for skilled workers who particularly the people who we will be most interested in coming in possibly quite large numbers after brexit's perhaps particularly people from European Union countries. Who in the past would have just come here on the free movement rules. You want to a simple system you want something like touch and an easy to manage you do will say they want you know what what voted for in the brexit referendum was was for control and. I think for a modest decline in numbers. Nothing very extreme. I think one of the reasons why the government loves the this phrase Australian points based system as Kate. It says we already have a points based system actually a better one than Australians. Because at least through the work stream it requires employers to actually want to employ the particular person so we have a as it were employer-based point system and I and I hope that we will continue with that. But I think one of the reasons why that phrase Australian points system some have gone into the political lexicon is because what he plays very well in focus groups. People don't necessarily know exactly what it means but what it implies is control. Plus plus we're not going to have no immigration control plus a sort of set numbers coming as we know in anxiety I immigration has declined since the brexit referendum partly because of the brexit referendum as. He's not because suddenly everybody. WHO's turned into sort of feel very very pro immigration. People have nothing. Probably the same proportion of people about two thirds as the population thing that immigration is being either too high or much too high in the last twenty as long as change but people's level of the level of. Salience of these has gone down. So there is some room for maneuver. I think the government has but I think they should. The real argument is about low skill. Immigration I mean. That's where where the politics it's really starts to get heavy before we just got to land. I think some things we have been discussed this week. Just what you were saying that David. Join the election action the broadcast interviews politicians with immigration up or down now in a points based system. There's no reason reason to think that is intrinsic decanting immigration goes down does it help intrinsically now on quotas and mm-hmm but. I hope it doesn't go down. I'm Gonna I think is partly what people voted for. They didn't want no immigration but we have had immigration at historic unprecedented levels levels for twenty twenty five years and people wanted to slow down. So it's not just about control. I'd say also partly about numbers. Kate wondering I believe the government's going to hear this big push on skills and it seems that's the metric that the government wanted to test the system on so rather than looking looking at that in terms of I suppose finance so there's a lot of debate right now but whether the thirty thousand hand salary cap threshold is going to go there hints. There is and the government's GonNa you too Skills Vegas instead. Do you think that is what is coming down the track. Is that good idea. I think it's great that they're indicating that they will scrap the thirty thousand pound on threshold if you want young people talented people in all kinds of high skilled sectors including tech to come to the UK to work. A lot of those people aren't going to be able to come in at thirty thousand pounds a year. It doesn't mean they won't come in as net contributors but they might have to start slightly lower as well is in line with Borscht. Johnson's rollback of of trees. May's policy of making graduates foreign graduates leave the UK very soon after they've graduated he's giving them now a two year buffer to get a job. Bob And I think that policy is in line with helping them to to secure a visa get on the working ladder and stay in the UK. So I think from all those perspectives. It makes a lot of sense. My concern is that by the government focusing on high-skilled workers. It is going to decide that it knows best about what the UK economy will need. You'd not just this year but down the line and start making exceptions were sort of adding points. Certain skill sets that centrally at. Thanks good idea but may actually not be what business business needs at all. I mean how many examples do we need of the government not having its finger on the pulse when it comes to immigration policy in particular in the number of scandals. We've seen there to think that on talk of that they're going to be able to know what the tech sector the business sectors really. Need Five your time better than business. itself is quite farcical so there are aspects of the of the Australian system in particular that I think are relatively liberal that the UK could bring. I mean Australia actually does have a pathway on. Its points based system to move to Australia without Ajab in line in the UK is very very difficult to do without some kind of polar exception for a non U. worker at the moment so they could import some good stuff. But I'm worry. They're going to import this attitude towards centralization that I don't think it might be this is just crazy. Liberalism's precisely just what we have voted against in general election in an referendum. I mean to have a more liberal system than we had before we absolutely crazy Australia by the way has double the per capita immigration rate is the UK do not. I don't want that kind of Australian system and I am worried about the the what is being said about the thirty thousand threshold being chucked. I mean in other words. Ed's we will can have continued to have quite high levels of people coming into midland even low skill jobs. I mean we have four million people in this country three who are underemployed. We have nine hundred thousand young people who are not you know needs neither in employment educational training we have high youth unemployment than Germany does does. The truth is employee of a free lunch on immigration for the last twenty five years or so. And we've seen a collapse in the level of training the British employers. Do we also don't want to do stupid economic things we you know. We need quotas in some of these. Low Skill Larry's food manufacturing for example has a lot of sectors become very the very dependent on on foreign labour various kinds. And we do not want to crucify these industries. Obviously we have to be careful but it's a balancing act so you so you give quotas you too you give. Even fellow workers there may be necessity for quotas in agricultural horticulture. But you're also trying to encourage the employers to behave better so you constantly give them these free free quotas for low skill workers from broad. They will take them so you got to try and get. I get a better balance on. That is highly government should approach various sectors. And we know opt out Sir so Phan it comes to fitting thing in the system but the but having Eddie signs perhaps the government on taking an approach. David would be happy with in the sense. That may have promised Mr temporary extension of the current rules until twenty twenty free have at. This government has at the not planning to do that. And this is again this friction between big business. What they record low skilled migrants and then the other side saying she she employing from this country. So how do we work. I when someone is low skilled perhaps across the way of putting it and some dozen an a mulan. Thatch decay but is high-skilled. Well I suppose a lot of that will come down to the sector actor at which is why. I think that a lot of this will be employment lead in an employer. Latte because it's a very important question you pose Katie. How can the government just decide that somebody the salary totally represents their their skill set. It doesn't mean you have lots of caused graduates. Who Don't necessarily want right away to to go in to a sector. That's is going to make them loads of money because they have other priorities if you decide to go into journalism if you decide to go into the charity sector you may be high-skilled but your salary may not be all that height doesn't mean that the work you're doing unimportant. I would fly up a few things. I think that the UK certainly voted to take control of its immigration. But if you voted for Boris Johnson and you had any the knowledge of his previous record as mayor of London. His attitudes towards immigration. Then I don't think you were voting to necessarily lower immigration well we look at the public's Blix attitude towards migrants. It really depends on who they are. They are very pro students coming over to the UK to study in staying there very pro certain levels of high skilled immigration and so. I don't think the number itself is what matters here so much and we're talking about immigration the context of a country that has record on employment. It's three point eight percent David. You mentioned that there are thousands of young people who who don't have employment yet but we have excellent unemployment records compared to the rest of Europe. Right now a lot of people who are in unstable employment people who are on the zero hours contracts. That people often blame for bringing in cheap labor. Majority of them are actually quite happy with their situation and and the last thing I would a lot of them are are quite happy with their situations aren't necessarily looking for that fulltime work for many reasons and as well it has always always been illegal to pay migrants less the same job that a native might de. This is a very complex issue. and to simply say specially looking at Borsch Johnson's record that people who voted for him are anti migration altogether. I don't think it didn't saint people around him on almost become. I think I think that's a stretch. I think saying thing they wanted to take control is absolutely correct. Katie we have a low productivity low wage economy. I'm one of the reasons we have. That is because there has been this huge supply of relatively high quality foreign labor. I mean this is. This is the if you're in manufacturing wherever you know you you get a pretty good worker from Slovenia Slovakia. For of course people aren't allowed to pay them less. But you get you get more bang for your buck as it were because because you're comparing like with unlike you're comparing people towards the bottom end of our social system as it were with people from the middle or even the higher end in countries people who come here took three years to improve their English and they're working finger factory or whatever so you can see why employers want to employ them but we have a national social contract with our own. Nine hundred thousand needs an an. I worry more about them than I do about the kids from last year and I think that is what politicians British politicians should. I do have one in my bonnet on it. Which is that? There's a kind of missed opportunity somewhere where something on the we too might agree on. I think we should have special antisocial antisocial hours visas because I think a lot of the jobs were talking about. We'll be nightshift will be can work. And I think that is where your average British person acknowledges most British people who have often have family responsibilities after all. Really don't want to do those jobs. You really have to be bribed bribed to do those antisocial jobs and people would sort of see it as is reasonably fair. Because they know that they don't want to do those jobs that you know you. You bring people in on on special antisocial hours visas for for a limited period of time two or three years or whatever you know a lot of people from abroad of young and unattached in their here simply to earn in money and have a bit of adventure. And they're happy to do that kind of thing so it's a sort of win win situation. I think that'd be much less resentment against people coming in on antisocial hours visas because a little bit like agriculture and horticulture very very few British. People want to do those jobs unless absolutely have to now just to bring this focus too choice. I want to ask you very briefly you clearly. I think come from different approaches in terms of how the numbers should fact you into positive immigration system but if we fast fast forward and think once this immigration system is up and running. What do you think it'd be the metric that we should judge success by K.. I will say whether or not migrants screens are contributing to the UK economy if you are in net contributor than it was strike me that you know. You're not a burden on the taxpayer. You are playing oftentimes a a vital role in the economy. I think David's point about antisocial hours visas is interesting but I would actually argue that a lot of the jobs that we need right right now in the service industry in the beauty industry are jobs that actually natives don't really want to do. I think a lot of these migrants are contributing. So I think the number should matter less and sort of the net contributing factor more. I would take his mind is my judgment. I think you know what's happening to those nine hundred thousand needs You know whether employers starting to take their responsibilities to pull towards the bottom of the pile in this country by actually training them in in ways that they haven't they haven't been doing historically and that you know that will help but not any of the the the kind of wellbeing of people towards the bottom end of the Pompidou also improve roof the the the the productivity we have this famously can a long tail economy. We've lost some brilliant companies and Berlin highschool workers and then we got a lot of people at the bottom and and and the and they have been bypassed in many ways both sort of economic hand culturally in the last twenty five years by people coming in from broad and can elite program. I I think we want. We want employees. Want those people to get back into the mainstream. Thank you David. Thank you kate. And thank you for listening and we have an event rent. I'm going to plug which he may have heard of before and having next month on the twenty fifth of February the Emmanuel Center. Is it time to offer the amnesty to Britain's illegal immigrants trying to answer. That question will be Kate and David to offer of road to somewhere and they will also be joined by other gas including the spectators. Eight is editor Fraser Nelson to get tickets for that event. Just go to. WWW DOT specht hated. CODA eqe forward slash amnesty focused.

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Dr. Jessica Borushok | The Art of Rebooting Your Busy Mind

The Art of Charm

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Dr. Jessica Borushok | The Art of Rebooting Your Busy Mind

"I actually think this is a great place to be in and I actually encourage everyone to pause at different times in their life and ask themselves like who am I instead of just defaulting to who we've always been because we are changes, it's not static. It doesn't stay the same over time and the best way is to go out and try things. Welcome back to the and podcast I'm Jay I'm Johnny. If you're new to the show, thank you for checking us out hits subscribe and get the best social skills training on the planet every week, the art of charm were driven introverts win at work love in life by developing the right social skills. Are you struggling with Awkward Silences? Having. Difficulty connecting with people. Tired of boring small. Talk. 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It usually solves my problem. So we're super excited to be talking to Jessica about how to do that with our busy minds. Welcome to the show Jessica. Or so excited to have you on to talk about how to calm are busy mind and i. feel now more than ever. My mind is going crazy johnny actually as a move coming up. So He's been stressed a little bit. His mind is racing. So we're so excited to actually dig into how to call down these thoughts that are keeping us up at night. Oh. Yes I'm so excited and Hey I've done those moves before I know how stressful they are absolutely. So when It comes to obviously a busy mind in your mind is racing. Your mind is running. Why is it that we find ourselves in these situations for me personally oftentimes I have trouble falling asleep because my mind is racing so much and we were a little earlier johnny going through all the logistics of a move has now sped up his mind is racing what's the evolutionary reason behind this and why do our minds race like this? So your mind's a threat detection system we don't. Like to think about that because we're like, oh, it's creative and innovative and all this wonderful beautiful stuff, which is definitely the case but at its core, our mind is a threat detection system. Its entire job is to look for threats and to keep you alive and surviving is very different from thriving. So what ends up happening is if we don't have anything going on right in this moment rate there no like Lions and tigers and bears strange sounds outside of our door our minds. Hey you know it's not important to pay attention to this conversation. I'm having a friend I'm going to go pay attention to all the things that could go wrong. And while our while we are tied to things like time and space and reality our mind isn't. So it can time travel to the future. It can time travel to the past I mean I've lived out maybe one hundred different lives in my mind. And I imagine you the exact same experience. Yes and I remember the first time that I had noticed my mind racing and it was probably my mid twenties. I. Remember at the time. I was a little bit of was going through some transitions and I decided to see a therapist and I remember coming in after staring at the ceiling mind racing and trying to find any sort of reasons that I could get this the stop and it was the first time that I had noticed that and I would also say that during this time. Social Media and computers are now being more widely used than had been and specifically talking about there was my space. In France, turn all these the blossoming of social media. Social media wasn't even a thing fully blown open yet. It was just the idea of what was going on and I remember seeing a lot of advertising and a lot of culture seemingly slipping through my fingers at this moment whereas like is this just me getting older where I can't keep up with the changes but also we had this bust of blooming technology that was. Little did we know about the speed up everything? Absolutely so I had my space and I remember trying to buy. I'm old enough to remember. I don't mind speech account. We'll I remember when I first discovered that my phone had email on it, which sounds absurd now, but I'd had like my stock mom's old blackberry Pearl she gave it to me she'd gotten a new phone I was in college and it took me like four months to even realized that it had an e mail on it, and now I have to set intentions to specifically not check my email like a million times a day, and that actually goes back to that evolutionary reason that our minds race in our minds go hunting for problems. In today's society, we don't have a lot of things that are kind of external threats for the most part. Obviously, there's still stuff that goes on don't go walking down dark alleys or anything like that. But for the most part, we're a lot safer from Lions and tigers and bears, and so our biggest threat to survival is social exclusion we need other. People survive not unlike our caveman ancestors, we need other people, and so your mind is going to be looking out for all the reasons that you could be embarrassed that people will think you're boring you could mess up something or hurt someone, and so it it tries to find all of these ways to make you as kind of average boring as possible. So that, you fit in because fitting in the best way to survive, but it's not really conducive to actually thriving and being your authentic self and having the kind of life that you want. You know it's interesting. The it should say that because the thing that I remember there was sort of pushing in that direction with the new technology that was coming out was. I had a lot of friends who were. Experiencing, using it and enjoying it, and there had now have been a split where I had a group of friends who are carrying on different lives and different social activities that were online and so there was this part of m missing out on something and what's the big deal? Why can't we just do these things in real life and of course Anyone who has tried to stop technology has been rolled over by it and when you see it. Of course through the years I've learned that have to allow these things to take their course and adapt to them rather than trying to control them. Yeah. I always tell people actually got two points to that. So the first in terms of social media is. It depends how we use social media. So there's a difference between using social media to compare or ud using social media to connect. So the people who really thrive like on facebook are joining facebook groups there joining communities or or they're connecting with people on instagram around a shared purpose, and they're using it to connect and to bring people together and create this kind of digital community or family as opposed to going on social media and comparing yourself. Oh, you know that person's life look so great how come there's it's so easy for them to get up an exercise or for them to reach out and say something to someone. Pain. Attention. It's not just like social media is good or bad right or wrong I hate using any kind of like good or bad right or wrong label for anything because unfortunately the answer is it depends and we don't like that answer but the truth is as you're saying depends on the environment. 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Think is certainly a tool and we're still adjusting to this new tool and technology that's evolving, and I think a big part of would johnny was talking about and what I've sensed over time as new growing up that social exclusion was really the people you knew in real life. Now, there is social exclusion happening virtually. So you can be cut out of groups online because of your online behavior and it's created a new layer for our mind to worry about to stay up at night was that photo liked why wasn't it liked why did my friend in real life not like it and we have all these other inputs. Now that are stimulating our mind to worry about that social exclusion whereas I remember as a kid before I was on my phone I just had to worry about my best friend across the street and maybe the neighbor who I was arguing with a few doors down but it feels like now the world is watching us. Out Content and everyone has an opinion about it, and of course, then our mind starts racing did I do it right? What did I do wrong? Can I improve? Why does this person not like me and I think those inputs have certainly led to a bit more of the things id that were feeling. Do you think this has changed in recent history? Do you think technology is made reminds busier the honestly it's a perfect example that there are so many opportunities for our minds to be interrupted for us to get dragged into thinking about what happened later, what we post something on social media and our mind thinks about it all day are people going to respond well to? All will I used this word or this phrase? Maybe someone's going to interpret at their own way and? The more input we have the more our world expands the more chances for problems. Now, the more chances opportunities as well, but our mind doesn't really stay focused on that. It likes focusing on all the things that could go wrong if we're in a tiny little community and we're going to school with. Thirty other kids and we never leave that little bubble will they're only so many social opportunities for us to mess up. And chances are not going to mess up all of them. But when you add in the entire world and you add in the entire world who has different beliefs different opinions. Definitely, someone out there who hates. Stand for not not just like doesn't agree. With you. And so that's scary and that's why a lot of the Times my focus is the less on. Having a certain number of followers or having having external validation instead turning to yourself than saying who do I want to be? What are the characteristics or qualities that I want to be about, and if I can continue to be authentic and be true to that? Well, yes, I'M GONNA get negative feedback still, but I always fall back and think you know what I stand by what I said instead of always trying to like police everyone like new would like me all the time that's never gonNA work out at our favor. Is there a nature nurture component to this because I feel like I? Got The worry gene every my family worries about things that are completely out of their control and I often find myself late at night not being able to sleep worrying about these same things. But then I have other friends who have a lot more chill and would not worry about the same things I'm worrying about and I wonder how much of it is genetic and how much is it the way your family raises you to react to these stimuli. So it is a little bit of both not to get too nerdy on the science, but it can be hard to parse that out because. Often, times, you are growing up in the same environment as the person who gave you your genetic makeup. We need to to take you out of your environment and be raised in a different one in order to kind of Parse that out. But absolutely think about it. This way if our ancestors needed to survive, they were the warriors they were the ones who out and we're like, Oh my God, is that a sound is that Lyon what's happening over there? Those are the ones who didn't get eaten by lions. Those are the ones who didn't get eaten by rival groups or killed by rival groups maybe eaten. And so over generations, the people who kind of were a little bit more anxious or who worried or who analyzed planned and use all of these greats powerful skills that are mind has. Who survived so honestly, we are today probably weighed more anxious, paranoid and all that kind of stuff. Just. Naturally, then not even counting our environment but yet there are some people like I come from a a worrying family and I think of it more not so much that we have a tendency to worry but that we have a tendency to go search for solutions. People who tend to have strength in problem solving, which is a great skill to have that tends to be their default. So if you have a worry, your default is okay this is the problem. Now, let's go find a solution. The issue is though that that's not really how our minds work. We can't problem solve our way out of a future situation. Johnny might be moved in a couple of days and he might be running through his head about like, okay. To pack this, I have to set up the Internet I have to do all of these things. And figuring that out one time. Super Helpful. It allows him to have a smoother move less chance of things to happen though sorry, Johnny things will definitely show up at her unexpected. That moves work. But the tenth time you spend staying up at night worrying about it doesn't actually help you solve the problem it just helps you feel comforted or feel safe but all it's doing is draining your energy and draining your time and attention. So I think it's less a worry issue and more people who tend to problem solve as their default. Interesting. Well, I would certainly say, I, fall into the problem solving camp and I spend a lot of time thinking about problems that don't exist in trying to solve the. So it's almost like the cart before the horse. So let me ask you this Aj when you have a problem and you think about it, let's say more than once de ever come up with new information that helps you solve the problem better rarely. Okay. Certainly not on my own, I feel like that tends to happen with interaction with someone else who asking me to talk through it or or bounce ideas off of, but I find like rarely I will if I just ruminate on it and ruminate on it and ruminate on it, come up with a second or third. Option to. SOLVE IT I kinda end up falling in the same camp every single time I worry. So that's a great test. If you're asking yourself, Lake Will super-efficient and a great analyzer problem-solver or is this a problem is pause and ask yourself am I coming up with any new information or any new solutions or am I just going through the motions over and over and over again I would say like ninety nine percent of the time you're just going through the motions and all it's doing is making yourself feel more stressed out, but it's not actually helping you in anyway. It's fascinating. The one other problem that I'm hoping that you could help me solve here since we're talking about problem solving is as an introvert I find myself exhausted after long periods of socialization. But at the same time I find my mind is often racing especially in today's environment where my opportunities for socialization are so few and far between. So for example, I had a friend over that hadn't seen in a while and we were sitting outside having. A drink and after he left, I found myself just like bursts of energy and I could not quiet my mind even fall asleep and I thought it was a little ironic because I find myself to be typically physically drained but not mentally drained after socializing as an introvert and I was wondering how is it that I don't really enjoy going out into big crowds and socializing dozen energize me but I can't turn my mind off afterwards. So. It sounds like an what are your former guest Adam grant who I love used the term social introvert which is exactly what I am and it sounds like a little bit of what you are as well and if we think of introversion stimulation so introversion extroversion we'd like to think of it as like shy versus outgoing but at its core introverts have a lot of internal stimulation they tend to have busier minds. Usually extroverts tend not have as much internal stimulation so they go and seek it out. All humans need connection and so even if you don't like being in big crowds because it feels overwhelming. Having the conversation with someone can be very stimulating a lot of introverts get stimulation because they're in their head thinking thoughts. So if you can have that kind of connection with a friend, it's one on one or it's a very small group and you're in a low stimulation environment. What comes out of that is a lot of excitement because you're giving your brain more fuel for thinking thoughts like stimulation isn't just interacting with other people. It's also the environment. So I get very over stimulated going to concerts, for example, or even being in a space that's very visually stimulating I like a kind of more clean minimalistic space because if there's stuff all over the place, it's it's very overwhelming to my senses and so. If you're in your home which you're comfortable with you know what it looks like you're you're used to it you're able to be at a level of stimulation where you can really take in that great information and be stimulated by that conversation and then like run with it as opposed to the two of you went out. So brunch or something which I don't think people are doing right now but if you did in a faraway land. You might have come back from it more drained without being able to think through all those great thoughts as so fascinating and I definitely think that rings true. I feel socializing right now because it happens in these like short bursts, you know a long periods of time here in in quarantine and stay at home or is in California, and then all of a sudden I'm having a great conversation with a friend that I haven't seen in a while and ours disappear and then I just can't sleep by find my mind is racing so. What can we do I? Know we can't turn it off I. Wish at times there was an off switch or an off button. But what can we do to calm are busy mind and give them a bit of a reboot 'cause I also feel at the uncertainty going on many of us could use that reboot. Absolutely. So first of all, thank you for pointing outs that we cannot delete all of our thoughts because that's everyone always comes to me and they're like, how do I make sure? I'm never stressed out ever again unlike. Die Like I don't know. Actually. Medical Advice. Don't listen to be on that like literally that's the only way that we kind of shut off our mind and so what we're actually looking for is a way that we don't get as entangled with all of the stuff that's going on in our head I like to think of it as kind of like if we're just setting aside physics for a moment, the difference between being in the. Middle. Of a tornado versus being just outside of it if we're in the middle of Tornado, it's you know it's always see feeling the full impact of it were trapped. We can't go anywhere. If we're ten feet outside of the Tornado, we can still see it it still impacting us but we're able to notice that there's the US who's observing are experienced observing the tornado and it gives us more. Options for what to do next a lot of times. Our mind is so loud and so strong, and so overwhelming that our immediate reaction issues to get away from that. So we do things that in the short term help. So age you're saying like you got so many thoughts in your head you're staying up at night. What do you find yourself doing in those moments when you're feeling overwhelmed? With your mind well, what I try to do is put in my air pods and listen to some music or something to distract my mind from all those thoughts that are racing and I'll be honest I don't often win that battle. Yeah. Of course, not because it's kind of trying to plug your ears and being like la La la I can't hear you accept your thoughts are inside your head. Certainly the problem. So it's not going to be that effective. and honestly, that is completely normal. When we experienced something uncomfortable, it is natural to want to move away from it whether it's you know we're afraid of spiders and we see a spider we want to run in the other direction if we had the thought that's uncomfortable or feeling that's uncomfortable. You WanNa get away from it. So often we do things to try to distract ourselves. We go on social media. which generally ramps it up we go to sleep. We eat we watch Netflix, we work we take substances to Kinda try to doll or or make those thoughts go away and those things work in the short term and I think it's really important that we recognize that because what ends up happening is. Aj, it's super pumped up. He's got a billion thoughts running through his head. He's overwhelmed. He puts his his air pods and you try to distract himself and he's like, Oh, it's not working everything I try to do doesn't work and you get more sucked into it and you blame yourself that you're not doing the right thing. You're not trying hard enough. There's something wrong with you win your mind is operating perfectly normally. You remind is. Not, affect. It's not effective to try to stop something from feeling or thinking a certain way and your mind is doing this behavior or you're doing this behavior because it works in the short term to escape for a little bit. Salah, why are we punish in ourselves over all this? So I know I've gone over like what not to do so what do we do this moment? The first thing is we have to notice that thoughts are there and I know that sounds silly. But oftentimes, we don't notice until things get super overwhelmed bainer super over stimulating and at that point like we don't have a lot of impacts were fighting against a much bigger opponent. So the first step is just get better at being aware and I don't mean get more mindful. You don't have to listen to the mindfulness meditations or anything like that. Just pay attention. Notice what your mind says notice how thoughts pop into your head. So Aj. Example when you have thoughts racing in your head. Are they words that you can see? Are they like your own voice in your head? Is just like a swarm of bees? What how do you experience racing thoughts? I would say swarm of bees is probably a very. Metaphor for what even me up at night and it's bouncing back between you know past events which I obviously can't control and then trying to foresee the future. So I find it's like this constant pinball of over that happened and then Oh this might happen and what's happening in that moment is you come to this end point of, let's go to the past and you come to this resting point of like this isn't helpful I can't do anything about it. But. You're still very stressed out and so you're laying there in your minds like. Well, let's go to the future that those are thank you might be able to impact. So. So you're noticing a little bit where your mind's going, but it's like it's buzzing so fast the only kind of get maybe impressions of it right right. So the first thing that we wanted to do is is pause and recognize that like they're still us who's experiencing that and I know it sounds a little odd or little Meta but it's this realization that like there's a me was thinking thoughts. I'm thinking thanks, and if we can recognize that we're not our thoughts and our thoughts don't have control over us will become a little bit less threatening. They still feel a bit overwhelming. But in the same way that leg if we had giant like us have any pets. I do and he's quietly moping around in the bathroom right now to keep from barking is he a big dog or a tiny dog? He's a little cockatiel. He's okay. Okay. So let's let's say we gave him a magic spell and he was a little bit bigger than he is if he came over and curled up on your chest and he was weighing you down sometimes, that's what it feels like we're overwhelmed by our thoughts. We get this like pressure this weight on us. Now, we can pick him up and move him up with our chest, but we don't get to like throw him out the window. Very. True. He's still our dog. We still love him, but we just don't want him that close to us. We don't want him sleeping on our face. I used to have a cat that would like in the middle of the night try to climb onto my actual face. And I'm like this I love you gotTa have some boundaries. So we try to set those same boundaries with our minds and what that looks like is noticing what the shape of our mind is when we have those thoughts, what sensations are showing up in our body, where is our minds going? So it was going to the past is the going to the future? Is it this buzzing sound? Can we get certain images from it can be get certain thoughts and I don't mean wrap yourself in it. Right. This isn't like we're taking a sad blanket and we're burrito ourselves and this is simply not. But if we can begin to see it for what it is well, then then we can say, okay, this thought is really juicy right I just want to like bite into it. But I know that when I do that I get super distracted and it only winds me a worse and my goal right now is to sleep so that. I can help good friend Johnny move and a couple of days. and. I can't do that if I've had no sleep at all. So we can acknowledge what our mind wants us to do where it's trying to pull us and we can say, Hey, you know what? Not? Super helpful thanks mind I get. You're trying to protect me I. Get your trying to help me like look out for all the dangers that come. But this is not actually helping me in the moment and then redirecting to something that is important to you in the moment. So a lot of times it sounds like distraction, but it's it's slightly different than that. Okay. I'm actually trying to think my way through this. I feel at times when I have calmed it I've probably stumbled into that solution without even realizing it. And the issue is we can't have all the time distinguished what happens and so we're like, okay I know I can do it. Why is it working this time? So. Let's say you're laying in bed. Got Your pods in your mind is racing. You're trying to listen to something I would turn that off. And just lay there notice what are the thoughts feel like what do they look like give them a shape, a color if they if you feel them in your body, right? If they feel like you're you're cute little pup lying on your chest, right? What does that actually feel like and then notice like those are thoughts that I have I like to call them hooks. So hooks are things that when we bite when we bite them, they pull off in a direction that we wouldn't otherwise have chosen for ourselves. We don't get to choose whether we have hooks. We all got hooks. But. We do get to choose whether we bite them or not, and so the distinction can often be. There's an initial thought that happens when that be storm happens and like what would that I thought be for you? Yeah. I think that I thought for me is I didn't get enough done. Okay. So it's a productivity fear that then leads to the whole rabbit hole. Let me guess you're person who has eighteen million things on their to do list. They do seventeen million things of those those things and at the end of the day you call yourself a failure for not getting enough done. Extra one million is really killing me. Absolutely absolutely, which makes sense. Our mind is going to focus on the problems instead of focusing on the solutions I actually at the end of every night, I have a gratitude practice that I do in my journal but I also write down three things. I'm proud of myself four at the end of the day and I'm not allowed to repeat it for thirty. Days and it really helps you recognize all the things you do during the day and it could be like I'm proud I. Put away my laundry. It doesn't have to be profound, but it helps you kind of balance out the skills a little bit. So you had this initial thought it didn't get enough done today right? What do you feel after having that thought? So the first feeling is regret. Because I can't get those hours back and then immediately I zip to the future and start to feel -iety because I don't know how I'm going to then be productive the next day because now have these carryovers. Yeah. Despite the fact that I imagine you've never liked gotten. So behind that, you've just like failed miserably life. Without the accurate not yet. John. Is. Not yet see what your mind just did. It went like but what if tomorrow, right? Triggered me. Okay. So we have this thought, and then immediately afterwards, this regret shows up and then your mind this regrets like wasted this time today what if I waste this time tomorrow and just keep wasting time and I don't get things done correct. Okay. How does that feel the best way to describe it as kind of the sinking sensation? It's definitely feels sort of waited like a heavy blankets when put on me. So. You feel it over your whole body or like your chest stomach like a gravity blanket just thrown over top of me. Yeah. Those make me anxious but yeah. I know they're supposed to help with anxiety exactly. Feel I feel like I'm trapped I feel the same way because that sensation is tied to my anxiety, I can't imagine wanting it for comfort at night. So as soon as that weighted blanket gets thrown on you, where does your mind go next will then it reaches that panic state Oh what is tomorrow going to be I'm johnny down and I'm not fully prepared as I wanna be for this great interview jazz and all of a sudden you know seven thousand things pop. I had a feeling. So what happens is you're able to it almost sounds like kinda process those initial thoughts I imagine their thoughts that you've had for a really long time. I'm taking wild guess here but to go with that, you are professional that weighted blanket comes over you and that's what triggers all of these racing thoughts and I would recommend to you is practice when that weighted blanket thought or when that weighted blanket feeling shows up. It's uncomfortable to your mind immediately wants to get away from it, and because your mind tends to problem solve, that's where it goes and that's when you get caught up in all the thoughts. So the way around this isn't to like solve the problem better or isn't to distract ourselves from the weighted blanket feel. The purpose is to sit with that weighted blanket feeling and really get to know it and prove to yourself that Wallace is uncomfortable. It's not a thing to be afraid of I. think that's very helpful. Now, I'm excited to experience worries. But this practice will end. That's a lot of times what I do therapy is we're creating these connections that's a new connection. All of a sudden that weighted blanket feel is now connected to an opportunity to practice. How cool is that? Unlike geeking out about it over here? Let's take another one that I know a lot of our listeners and clients feel at times and with conversation walking to strangers, and especially now with what's going on in the world there's a lot of anxiety around that and what I talk to with a lot of our clients what we hear from listeners as their mind goes blank in social situations and that for them leads to not being able to follow along in the conversation, not hear the other person saying and not even find the words themselves. So if I was laying on your couch struggling with this problem, my mind actually going blank in social situations, how could I work through that become more confident? Excellent question also I have no couch in my office. We're not laid down. Just a funny image I. Think Again, we want to understand what the function of this is because a lot of times we're like my mind's against me it's trying to like hurt me it's trying help me be normal and fitted, and why is it messing with me right now? The first step is just noticing what's important to you about this moment and it might not be like. I'm hoping to make a profound connection with this person. It might be I'm just practicing I, WanNa practice introducing myself to people so that when it really counts and I'm using air quotes here that we're prepared. Right preparations aborted. So that's the first one. Aware of why it's important to you. This second is learning a couple of skills to help. Just bring yourself down a little bit. And that might be a breathing exercise. I tend to not like using breathing exercises because some people they focus on their breath too much. They end up actually inducing panic attacks because they try to do not try to breathe deep and slowly when you're stressed out. It increases the CO two levels in your brain and you actually start to hyperventilate. Little. Counter intuitive. But good tip absolutely. But if you're breathing in really deep like if you guys paid attention right now to how you're breathing. How much air you stuck in? Do you think? Like are you like filling your lungs all the way? No that's only in various class. Johnny, are you are you like filling it to capacity? I've being musician and also taken singing lessons in working with my voice breathing techniques. I've noticed that I am a for the most part default a labor either. But if he told me to think about it, order pay attention to it. Now, all of a sudden I'm taking. Longer. Full. Brass and I would say that the the lighter quicker by default breathing is certainly goes along with the pace of which I'm thinking and trying to do things in go through thought and of course, when I do spend some time to have a five minute meditations. Session where I am going to be focusing on breath how much better I feel as a whole for for a lowering that happen, and of course, wanting to get my default. Closer to that than then where it's at at the moment. The important part in that is the default rate. If you were default, it's not taking slow deep breath. I'm the same way. I'm like kind of a I'm a shallow slow breeder. But if your default is not taking these deep breaths will as you start doing that to try to calm yourself down in a stressful situation, it's GonNa work against you. So it's kind of like learning your body knowing what your body is like at rest how tensor your muscles how do you position your body? What is your breath like and if you get to know what that's like in rest, if you can mimic that in social situations and it's GonNa take practice this isn't like a one and done kind of thing. Than it can help you slow down and not have that brain blinking experience. The third thing is recognizing like it's To have your mind blank and I know it's not pleasant. It's never gonNA be uncomfortable. But it's okay. Hey, and honestly the more that we create space for the fact that like, yeah, my mind might blink out the less likely it's going to happen because you're not like fighting with your mind over it. So kind of coming to the conclusion that not only it's okay it may even happen and then you're less worried about it happening exactly and go out and practice like go out and practice and I know you guys are all about this but like glowed in practice when you're in like different types of stressful situations. And practice like I'm GonNa Make My. mind. Blink. See what happens try to make it like yeah exactly. Right. I'm going to try to be so stressed out and so freaked out the my mind just completely blanks and see what happens I mean don't do this only a big job interview. On my tax talk, I'm going to try to to draw mind blank. I will say that this was your advice. Well, what do you do for tax talk? You practice you practice on your own practice in front of your friends you practice in front of people you don't know to create that anxiety to get the experience of it, and then you go out and do it. I always say like you're not going to try like a new move during the championship game you're GonNa, practice that during practice and mess up a lot. So the by the time you get there, you don't have to use your brain your body just does it and your mouth does it the same way? Most importantly is getting comfortable with practice. You've mentioned it so many times and I think it's easy to get into a mindset of just consuming all the time because the technology at a hand allows for such easy consuming when in actuality to be practicing things is to be creating and creating an anyway that you were able to express yourself whether it's doing podcasts whether it's making memes whether it's performing in taking the opportunity to find ways to express yourself through many different mediums. We'll get you more comfortable with with that process and getting better and seeing your progress. Yeah and I think the the last pieces being authentic and let's talk about authenticity and calling it out and saying just. Because it's so relatable, we've all been there every single one of us have experienced our mind going blank and it's typically in situations where we care about something we care about the outcome and. In that experience that shared that vulnerability leads to authenticity which leads to people feel more connected to you. And the best way to make connections to be yourself. You need to be genuine in order to connect with another person you need to be willing to be vulnerable and I don't mean disclosing whole life. The first time you interact with them, but maybe just a little bit of it. Or to say. My mind I totally lost that train of thought you know my thoughts flew away and people get that back absolutely. Now I feel that we hear that advice be yourself be authentic and many of us may struggle to know what are authentic self is especially our younger audience members and I've heard that advice for my own family and it hasn't always helped me and I know even now listening to it that people are GonNa go duh I know that but how? Can I let that authentic self out if I don't even know what my authentic self is I love that question I don't know if you saw me i. did like a little jump out very excited to answer this one I am at my core what I like to call like incurably curious person. It's one of the things I value most about myself that balance out with empathy but I actually think this is a great place to be in and I actually encouraged. To pause at different times in their life and ask themselves like who am I instead of defaulting to who we've always been because we are changes it's not static. It doesn't say the same over time. and. So the best way to go out and try things go shopping at a store that you've never been to before and try on clothes and just I mean you don't the by all closed, which is like try on the things that draw your eye or draw your attention. Try. New Hobbies. Go listen to music that you've never listened to before read a book that someone recommends that you don't think you're going to like. And then also pay attention to what the outcome is. You might notice your mind making comments about it. So let's say a friend invites you to I'm played Dnd with them to play dungeons and dragons and you go. You don't tell anyone and you're like I had so much fun. But then you're like I can't be like a person who plays dungeons and dragons. That's like super uncomfortable screw that that's not that's like our mind listening to that nonsense you notice it and then like. Crumble it up into a little ball and throw that stuff in the garbage. All the you should be this or should be that anytime. I. Should shows up I want you to pick it out of your brain crumbled up into a ball thrown in the garbage. But if we can practice and go out and try different things and then pay attention to the result. You find out. What you like, you find out what your styles are, what kind of environment you like being in. That's why when people go away to university it. So transformative because you're no longer around the people that you grew up with. So you're allowed to take on any identity. It's white teenagers go through like you know I'd like my Mofaz and like it's like teenagers go through so many different phases outfits they're trying on different personalities until they find the one that sticks and I think adults should continue to do this one of the interesting. Things that we've encountered I see a lot with our clients where they're in this space they're trying to discover who they are and what their with their legs are with their legs are when I ring up. We'll go investigate be curious go to a concert. There is this wager of well I know I can just been just movie that I've seen five hundred times a Netflix. And and I'll be satisfied rather than risk the money and the time that I would waste going to see this concert that I don't know if I were in or not, and like let's break that down because thinking of it in that matters. So flawed because what exactly is entertainment and can entertainment be something that you don't like or you're critiquing where you found fall with or did not hit you emotionally in the way that you wanted to be but that is still entertain. It was just what you were expecting and now you have something to discuss that you've experienced and you could say it wasn't for me. Here's why. And now you've learned something about yourself that you don't lake, which is even that much more valuable than the things that you do like what you already have a good beat on your ass treated like an experiment. Yes right. We can go out and we can test these things theory you can go on and tested. And I would ask yourself in that moment because what's happening with those clients is they're scared they're nervous. They're like I don't know what this crowd is like. I'm not sure i. last year went through a really dark depressive episode. I'm struggling with PTSD and music the same to me anymore, and that was heartbreaking because music is, is this thing that I love I love sounds of I love words I don't know how to describe it but it just it fills my body and it brings me joy and so I went out there looking for different music and I found machine gun Kelly. If you go look up what I look like. If you look at me a picture of me, you would not be like Oh this is an MG K. Fan I. Don't know at that is A. Machine Gun Kelly is he's like a mix between blink one, eighty, two and EMINEM. Go is that actually why I don't know? John I think you have to take your own advice here I Go to a machine gun Kelly show and tell us why you didn't enjoy it. Know in my risk cody. What I'd like to wage you`re What I don't and one of the. You know how you know that because you've put yourself out there and you've experienced those things before and so now when you experience when you come in contact with new things, you can use that past experience that past memory vault to go like. This is like ninety ten. I'm not gonNA live like it. Which is okay. You're not supposed to like everything that's that's not a stance. But what's happening with those those individuals is we all fall into this is we don't want to be uncomfortable. We don't want to be in an uncertain situation. We don't want to waste time quote unquote and and so they hesitate and they fall back into something that feels. Safe but growth never happens in comfort growth never happens in safety and that's a hard realization to have because like our little safety blanket, it feels good and we can always go back to it like you could go out to that concert and you can come right back to your couch and you're not flex. You don't have to give it up forever. But but be willing to pause and notice and learn how to sit with her knowledge that discomfort, and then ask yourself what am I doing tonight? Is this going to serve me a year from now ten years from now because in the short term saying home watch Netflix that's a sure win in the long term. Are you any closer to being the best version of yourself that you want to be probably not or what adds? That as well is a lot of our influences in the things we like for a lot of those things were handed to us by our parents or by our friends we didn't particularly find them for myself. I love. There's a festival that I go to in Vegas every year. I may know it's a very fringe music festival. So I might know ten percent of the artists that are playing the rest no idea but I go. Because it's going to be a discovery. It's a full week at him and this this music discovery process. There's lots of don't like but the ones that I have discovered the ones that hit, he wasn't a friend Beta, check them out or are the record it was I went I put myself in front of this act this band and I've been exposed to 'em. My body has taken over emotionally now this was a find that. I have scraped through the and found the needle in the haystack infected me this much and so I would guess much like machine. Gun, Kelly is this sacred thing now because it's mine, I found it in their my favorite bed and have brings out it just makes it that much more special. Yeah. You reach out in your like mine. This is mine. This is my thing I like. You know I'm going to buy merchandise through. Whatever. Showing, your pride for your groups is absolutely and that's why they think adult should continue to go out and test new things because you've only been exposed to a small part of the world. Everyone grows up in a bubble and your bubble may be a little bit bigger than the bubble that I grew up in probably was. And yet if we step outside of that bubble, we might find we might find our people. Like our people might be out there and everyone's got people if you're if you're listening to this and you're like I don't have any people, you ever put yourself out there to go find them and they're trying to find you. And you haven't authentically shared what you truly enjoy. A lot of people who would say, Oh, I don't have my people have been afraid to be vulnerable about what they truly enjoy what inspires them, what their values are, what excites them you can have two people interact. They could be like the best of friends in the entire world if they both were just willing to open up a little bit and share a little bit of their true selves. But they're both, put it on this front and being this like average boring person and as a result, neither of them will probably even remember that interaction a year from now. But if they open themselves up a little bit, they had the opportunity to connect. I'm very loud and excitable person if you haven't figured that out yet. And growing up and especially even through my early twenties, I got a lot of messages of like you need to be quiet or like not overreacting a dramatic way but like you're too excitable about things. And it never made any sense to me because I was like, no I love these things all of the excited about them felt sad for people who felt like they had to suppress their hide or dimmer dull. The thing is that they love and the things that you love might not be the things that I love. But I am definitely going to connect with you over how much we both love things. Exactly that emotion that shared emotion is more important than the fact that Janis nodded mg mgk fan and the fact that he wouldn't go to that concert with you. Exactly. Yeah and you know what the more excited he is about the band's that he listens to the more curious. I'm going to be to learn that because I might have never been exposed to it before. But if he's excited, he opens up and he's like, yeah, you have to listen to this like you'll either love it or hate it like I love things that you either like you love or you hate because they're great. Things that you? Can listen to this. I call those ten friend testers. How cool you are. After this Johnny is going to send me a bunch of youtube videos that he's going to be like. Well, we're GonNa see what Jessica, thanks of these and either I'm going to tell them where I live in Vegas Move A. I left the country. And then police said him. In Kelly. That would make my day Santana but I'm telling you after this, you're gonna get an email. With at least like what our deal now, we love having a challenge for our audience to improve each and every week and a little birdie. told me that you have a really cool tool, all the life map that you personally use, and you also use it their clients I love if you could share that with the audience and we could map out our. Lives absolutely. So the life map is a great tool for stepping back and seeing the patterns that show up. So in all of these examples, we gave like this, these are just one or two examples, but they represent a larger pattern of how we respond to things, and sometimes we get stuck in the details that we miss. We miss these behaviors, the shopper these. Are these reactions that show up over and over and over again and keep a stuck and keep us away from the life that we wanna live. So the life map is the worksheet, but it's very similar to the things that we were doing here It's it's literally just a sheet of paper with a horizontal I always get these wrong a horizontal light on it. I'm like vertical horizontal see I can mess up in it's totally okay. A horizontal line on it and the stuff on the right are the things you're moving towards the things to make you happy excited all that good stuff and at the things on the left are the things that you That are painful or uncomfortable or a scary. So if I could could I use one of you as an example to briefly walk through it? Yeah. I. Think it's time to put Johnny under the. Sounds. Good Okay. So. Can we use your move as an example short? I'll try to follow on okay. Well, if you have something else that's popping up in your head and you're like, no, let's do this. Throw it at me looks focus on the move seeing hug guys or mind. Okay. So you're getting ready to move. What is important to you about this move for me all the anxiety and all the insanity will will calm down once I am in the new place in. There and I can begin to put it in Organiz and get settled. Okay. So let's fast forward through the steadily and all of that kind of stuff because you're not moving to Vegas simply to not be anxious about moving to Vegas. So what do you hope that your life looks like once you're there considering everything else that is going on I am one settled to slowly get social again I haven't been able to do that as much as I would like to here in Los Angeles after talking to a few people that I know in Vegas. They've been going out they've been having dinners. and. Cautious. But they've been more social than I have been here considering I live on Hollywood boulevard is things have just been a little crazy. So I'm looking to get back to having somewhat of a functioning social effingham okay and what's important to you about social life like is it deep conversations going to concerts with someone and like doing fun activities together is getting out of the house like what about social connection do you really love when everything was normal? It was concerts was my vegas favorite social. Now to be able to be with people, friends having dinner having a connection and having regular in person conversation is incredibly important me right now. So we were looking at the life map the bottom rate is who and what are important to us what are the kind of qualities or characteristics we want to be about. So just from that brief piece, I got concerts are important a connecting with friends being able to go out maybe try new restaurants to kind of be a little bit adventurous that connection being heard listening to other people sharing stories, and then how would you want to show up in those moments like you want to be distracted? Do you WanNa be a kind. What kind of adjectives would you use president and that's It's one of my favorite things. To practice, considering where we're at with technology and just fully engaged because it's so rare nowadays people instantly notice it and they comment on it, and that's very fun for me. Also, we do a lot of work at the charm with emotional bids and when you're president, you're able to pick out plenty of emotional bids and pick the Fred's and where you would like conversation ago when you're aware of those things and you're using that tool once again, people take notice why? Because the conversation is spirited it's fine. There it's. There's a lot of engagement whereas. Without that knowledge without having an understanding of those tools we all know it's superficial small talk looks like an yeah and it's it's humdrum. You're holding a drink. You're just kind of aimlessly like looking around. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's Oh. Cool. You do a thing like you can hear the dullness in my voice like the I would rather be anywhere else but I need to be polite. Quality. Okay. So being engaged. Being present awesome. What thoughts, feelings, memories or physical sensations show up and make it difficult for you to be your present engaged connect itself. The square brock that is in my pocket that we all carry everywhere that we go. That is actually making noises buzzing wanting to me answer tweets and instagram messages. Expensive rock that told her out you got this rock that might as well be surgically attached to your. Nuts an external thing right when it makes a sound or it's been awhile since you've checked it what is your mind say? You got to check your messages. You can't believe who's probably trying to get in touch with you right now and what is blowing up on twitter you're going to miss out on the latest political scandal. Okay. Non. Run through your head and how did they make you feel incredibly anxious of wrapped up and Upset because I, find it very easy to get consumed by it because we all know that the political marketing now is so incredibly adapted to human psychology that they know exactly what buttons and Levers. Now. Yes psychology for evil. Absolutely. Absolutely. Well so that's interesting. Right. So you haven't there's this thought. Oh, I need to check my phone I might be missing something it makes you feel anxious and you have that self awareness to then be pissed off about that because you're like it. They got me again job you. Okay. Okay. So that's the bottom left rates. So this is the stuff that's getting in the way of being connected with what's matters to us, and so then we moved. To the top left and top left are the ways that we try to avoid or escape those feelings or thoughts. So like going back to AJ's example before it's putting in the air buds and you know trying to think different thoughts or trying to analyze or plan or problem solve. So can be stuff that happens at our heads or stuff that we do with our body. So when you're feeling really anxious when you're thinking about this movie that's coming in a couple of days. What would I see you doing in response to that? Policing, sweeping my floor. Okay. Awesome. So you're productive procrastinator. Okay. Okay. So I'm a productive procrastinator I. Love It. Like all this floor really needed to be swept right now. So you know I need to clean out my fridge. Yeah. Okay. So in response to the stress anxiety, you start doing this kind of like busy work because your body's full of energy and it just needs to like do something. Yes. Okay. Do you find yourself making to do lists in your head repeating like plans in your head or analyzing staff anything that's the happening up there I have gotten in the habit of the. Put My phone is writing down the thoughts that I'm having I have an open pages scroll. That is that is conscious stream of consciousness, and which is an opportunity that I can go back later and flesh out if I'm interested in or just till right out and get rid of it and never have to deal with again I also have a war board which. those ideas, go on my war board. So they could be fleshed out or negated also I'll pick up my guitar and I started playing a noodling. See, you have some kind of functionally adaptive ways of responding to this you kind of developed over the years of leg. Yes. I know if this thought stays in my head, I'm going to be worried I'M GONNA, lose it. So I'm just plucking it out dropping it somewhere and then moving on also not only to I might lose it but in order to get it to shut up because of now that I I've written it out and I've looked at it and then I it is now somewhere else and I can come back to it when I'm more ready to. Eat the flesh it out or to just get rid of it. So this is the true test. Does, it actually leave you alone afterwards most of the time but when it's written out because it is is especially if it's on my ward because I see it all day and I'll look at it and then I'll start expanding on it warlick those silly move on to something else. So what I imagine is happening so you have this thought you take it, you put it on a notebook and then whenever it comes up again in being consumed by you know it's in the notebook I'm going to look at it later or I'll go over to the notebook into start fleshing. Okay. Awesome. So what that is right in that moment is your interrupting getting hooked. So, if you were to get hooked, you would bite that thought you'd spend time thinking about it, and then you'd get frustrated with yourself because like Kramer with this whole system to write things down so I would keep doing this. So that behavior would go in the top right and so the top rate are steps that we're taking to move towards the things that matter to us right. So you have developed a method, a strategy to not get sucked in because you have a million different ideas you get curious about them they're very enticing, and so it helps you be like, okay. I could be distracted by ideas left right center all day long. This is how choosing to respond to them and what's great about it is those ideas they get fleshed out, and then they end up I go live every morning weekday morning at A. Am Pacific, just a half an hour and those thoughts are what goes in the show. So they get written down, they get talked about and then I get you discuss them with the little audience who tunes in the here what daily musings are going on In my mind, which is pretty interesting but that's that's making use of technology for good. Oh, that's wonderful. You're taking something that otherwise would have been a distraction and you're saying I'm going to set boundaries around this so that I get to control how I respond to it, and now I'm using it to actually connect with people or amusing it to share around the passion to be engaged in present, which are the things that are important to you. I imagine in the past what would happen is thought would pop ups that'd be in the bottom left and in the top left, you would go off into your head down a little rabbit hole and you'd think about it and whatever you're supposed to be doing was just forgotten. Yes and then whenever you came out of this rabbit hole, you poke your head up for air you would be pissed off or frustrated with yourself because maybe you wasted the whole day maybe you're like Aj and you have those thoughts of like manning get anything done. And that's how we get stuck in that cycle because then we beat ourselves up. So we start back at the bottom left and then we feel bad. So we do something to make ourselves feel better. Maybe we watch. TV or eat something. Delicious and then we get stuck in that cycle and so what the life map helps us do is take a step back and go okay. What I'm doing to try to get this immediate relief to try to escape avoid. Hide from this stuff. That's uncomfortable isn't actually serving me in the long term. In the short term, it helps pull the covers over my head plug my ears. Sting a little tune in escape. But it always comes back and so we WANNA be able to do is develop some of these strategies so that I can feel uncomfortable I can feel that that heavy-weighted blanket on myself I can feel anxious I can feel my phone in my pocket pressing against my leg and I think, oh my God, how many emails do I have right now what am I missing? What's what's trending right now I can be in a social situation and my mind just goes blank and I just start thinking Oh, my God, my mind's blank Oh my God my mind's blank which thoughts in your head but that's a whole other story. And I can notice all of those things. and. I can choose to do one small behavior that's in line with what's important to me, and that's why that awareness piece too. So important and I know it might be a little hard to follow along with the life map while I'm talking outs If. Folks want to go over too busy MIND PSYCHOLOGIST DOT COM sign up for my mailing lists you can get. The worksheet, it's available PDF it has the questions to to walk through. I think I'm going to be thrown up some video soon about that but it helps you take a step back and notice okay. What am I doing? That's getting me stuck and what are the thoughts and feelings and sensations it I have to learn to come a little bit more contact with. So that when they show up, they don't shut me down. So when they show up, they don't keep me stuck when they show up, I can acknowledge them and say like I don't like you. and. Ask myself what's important to me in this moment? What can I do in this moment? One teeny tiny step that moves towards what matters to me. And then I can go and do that. So for Johnny, it's I'm just going to write this down on my war board. I'm just going to write this down in my notebook and I know I can come back to it or up that thought popped in again you know what I've already written that down what's important for me to do what has to be done next so that I can pack and move and be connected to the people that matter to me. And that's what that process looks like. It's been. i-love-you beautiful exercise and one more time for audience. Where can they find that in your amazing podcast? Yes. So my website is busy mind psychologists dot com. You can sign up there get worksheets, videos, all great tools and tips, and then I most on instagram at busy nine psychologists. So busy mind psychologist all around super easy to remember. Yeah. Excellent. Thank you for joining us and helping both Johnny and myself Taymor busy minds. We really appreciate it. Thank you. It's my pleasure and good luck on your move i. hope it goes well Johnny. And I'll be sending you energy G K just just heads up. 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She didn't know us watching foreign why she was laying ula. And that's regular behavioral israel listened. I am going back down my red rabbit hole man. I need to come back out getting bad man. I discovered that my son watches point. Now how does he. He's thirteen so what you do. I mean you. Coup last mile so We had a conversation about it like what happened. Wise i have his He has like parental guidelines on his phone. So if he wants to A new app. It sends me like a request. And i approve it or see where this is going. Well he also has like a time like after nine pm. Can't get on certain stuff. So i still have my old phones and if i turn like oeland on it'll give me like oh notifications. I started on a pitch is like my cousins supposed for her birthday. And i got a notification and they say that it was a safari requests. But i don't think he realized that it sends me like the website that he's looking matt so it was like eat them wants to and it was like porn. Uh damn it phase so technically he a real man because he had to get the request and he didn't get permission and he don't have to get it before nine pm. It just had to be after nine pm. Do wasn't poor her four. Pm axum like that same day like two days or something i was like he was my shadow they all. Can i ask you something. What's up. I was like way to say how about four. Like that's tough and i was like real and he was like i know app so i can't tell you. Come to find out my nephew be watching for younger. Names like damn but which is definitely told you find all old cassettes. I told that story. About what i snuck when i was eight. Nigga whoa what was going on milk coming off. Have you ever tried to watch. I tried to watch. I couldn't get into it. The laci bite because character on there. His dad has like Extensive porn collection but the only point that he watches. It's like men on men or men fucking transgender. I wanted to apportion bounded when he was very young. Like six to a ahead on gay porn. Any i don read porn failed auto trying to appeal to everybody. Man accused watching too old fat dude white dude back into my life. Is i think a lot of borsch colonizers fill like a sexualities as she says man opened said anything below back back to ethan no metaphor bad for him. 'cause 'cause his mom would like he really you know she gave it but she works from home action. That no horrible. Okay so we gotta go gotta just invite all nippon holiday labor on the pie man coming apart she going to be on home. The pa the crib surf about thirteen. Youngest give them some years two years. I don't think my son is gonna be busing. Monday fifteen do you how you feel about him watching for now i mean now you know because the thing because before you let me ask you this too and then dan hansen. Do you agree with me in knowing that you can't keep it from me. Yeah i never was going. Try to okay. So i didn't. I didn't feel any way about. I just wanted to rian. Reassure him that is normal right. I want him to know he wasn't in trouble. That's why i waited to say something. Because i was still dealing with my emotions behind this i was like i'm gonna wait a few days. We'll be talking about regular conversation. It's good that he talked to you about instead of like kind of like shutting down to assist in washington. You feel you. There isn't he was like nah. Just my friend sent it to me one time and then it was so my cousin about is he was curious but i do think that when my son is ready like even if it's like he told me at the moment i think once he has his face time he'll tell me a better parent than i am. I'm going on myself. Something don't happen to me this week. Man i found out. I was shitty so so so right. I ain't got. I ain't got the bit fleshed out. I'm working on it but this is this is true so my logic. I'm thinking if i allow my kids because then the novelty will be gone and it wouldn't be anything to take the desire for them to cuss away from him It should blew up in my face. Say one skating entire found over the summer I took the boys want to some ice cream and some happen going into back into the car. I said something crazy and they was like. Aw i was like manny. is it a bad word. This a bad word. can we say it by head. I'm thinking get it out like get it out of your system so now it's nothing to you right man. He's naked go over the grandmom house while my house and some slang us on fortnight where they say that you a sled or something like that. I don't know what that means. But but his grandmother told him not to say it firm and firm. Lets us cuts. Mayor came home at toby. And that's why i'll let us. They both winning a detail. Yeah told us we could but you say keep it a secret off understand the logic but i think it only works a certain stuff lake. I always taught my son. He doesn't even get as far as cursing because certain stuff is occurs even though not occur late he doesn't say stupi he doesn't say nigga This certain stuff like he can't all you stupid like this family. And that's what we've always taught them like money's mondays. We always tell them this family so they stay away from it but he also knows. This stuff is an adult drink. So he's at my sister's for thanksgiving and i don't drink but they were drinking. We were about to leave out. And he says something. But i noticed that he acts is about adult drinks more now and it was hard liquor like you hassle. Burn this shit out of his shazam. Probably never gonna touch at least one very long time so to actually. It's nasty. yeah he was. I high. I haven't. I wouldn't wouldn't like that but i just drunk some curic out of curiosity i spy light eleven s. It was discussing key. You can't get kids. eat broccoli. Neither projectile vomiting going to be. Oh mike is career. When i was drinking straight so i had i said duty smell. This speaks a year old. And you're gonna have a drink. But he's i okay but i do think i fucked it up but i do think it's important to to go ahead and get the get the dumb shit out of the way with the kids like like like you know. Help them. Because i remember when i was like i'll probably say fifth grade probably browse cussing like at school like on the basketball court but as everybody else's considered byles house cussing. Yeah so just think it back on this now like when i just i just know it was going to be was was go be. I got a girl without sixteen will. Yeah i'm ari no mama behind for what an daughters live with her and it'll help you but they wanted to come on explain six year old daughter. Somebody's gonna be busting minds none of these young. Yes vacations every year. That me. they can't do it. She says she rented a little bit like my son. I see yes. I even look like. He's sixteen already anyway. That's what i thought he was. You watch porn. I was like so damn man thirteen. That's when lime wire was downloading some. Were pouring on my mom's computer. The secret photo. I was watching porn last month. A little girls fillet have a dad who does like a really good job by giving them attention everything they need. They still run into guys. Who is the mystique about them. Now my god like he so you won't say he will almost liquid you soon as again. The he braille. And i'm just. Because i'm a woman i'm like i know razz him. Be starting a nice smell. Good evening ethan. I always say he's like a child but he has like a old man soul sh he likes to have deep conversations and he's thoughtful like we've been in a pandemic saudis and a new girl during the pandemic so he lake. He will pick a movie for them to watch. They watch at the same time on face. We'll do a zoom call. Not you. I take credit for it. I mean i have planning with his mom saying but like games. He's req- way more than he's with his i. He'll go like for us. I'm sure it's possible as key relate two hundred outta the three sixty five or so even more than that. But you know what i'm saying. So that's why you're y'all take credit for take credit. I think that i planted some seeds. I think it's an him to certain stuff. That i'd be like latin american eagle koenigsberg. He'd be modeling it worth seeing. She got him a page shit. Well i feel like one hundred on his instagram. he won't reply. Signed me his hair better than the girls. Hair shit there for sure. Dan what are you going to do. What's what's what's his daylight. Plan the young kilometer raise them. Well i'm not going to have to do much i do. I do think that he's gonna be honest. So that'll work in his favor. A cold negative could be honest. Man co nicotine is he's he's also very loyal he gets that from his that he's fired. I i remember when he was day his last girlfriend. Little girl. dm wanna take time and she was asked like do you like me. I'm not gonna tell. I'm not about cheat on. That's how he replied to like any Let me see his even the conversation sometime like myself in that situation e okay all right dear man see hollick speaking at that full man well telling telling he need hang on. This is another one straight off. Haji go said black women married for love or should black women married for resource. Why specifics of black women. I mean i don't know some black page. I'll be checking out on. She just nigga shit love or resources what the fuck out think. That's one is very specific to women and so it shouldn't be specific. Let's break you should ottaway. Merry men marry for love research. Do you marry for anything. China love if you do you personally. But i think people do saying in abroad. Do you definitely people. I knew people do fucked up. That's why i got. I got mad at somebody other day. Man marriage really social construct. I can't explain birth so you got to explain it's a it's a manmade thing For like it's the same thing as when you like you date a girl you go today. Funding we go to a family house for the first time. Where'd you go to college. Where you work would he do. Where do you know what i'm saying. It's a social construct. so it's business is business. yes yes sir. Sometimes i think i think it's business everything behind it is like it's definitely gotta sign a contract to give. Everything's like it's weird. Yeah do you want to be married sometimes. do sometimes. Sometimes you know me better than i know myself very fat. No no. And that's what i was getting into. Somebody asked me the other day so far and we're going to get married because i pictures of my kids on my desk and shit so so somebody come by and talk about the kids. That's the next question. So when are you going to get married. Get married because kids mega. You engage new. I know but what. If i wasn't what if i wasn't. I gotta get married. 'cause i gotta have a date set because i got kids. I don't think it has anything to do with having kids. I think it does though. I think i think we don don't have children at all trace question like doesn't down know what i'm saying because it's because it's a social construct. Apparently which is what people think you supposed to be doing. People think you're supposed to get may. How old are you Thirty three when you don't get married. How many kids thirty two. Yes you you ain't got a house yet. But why i hope you get a woman so i can have some grandbabies s s when my mom was on. He's asking for a different reason now. Not not the social construct aspect but the point but he was still though she likes sees people in their life. How friend's sons and daughters married. You know what i'm saying. And that's oh yes. My closest sibling lake. She got four siblings but her closest one. I've got two cousins on their side and they got more got four kids and the other one kid. You know what i'm saying. And then my mom and grandma. She's older than mine. Yeah like eight years older than mine. And that's what i'm saying just though that's why what is the social contract i. It's it's when you compare your situation to the ideal situation and if it's not the ideal situation then why not and if and then when you're gonna make it the ideal situation for fucking what. Why why why do i need. I wouldn't mind make an honest woman out somebody one day but he just gets my pregnant. Makes you think you mega honest woman. Idaho though she might make honest man out of you gotta do is fucking fucking tattoos flashing. Give you fucking soup feminism She's fucking charging up. Thank you feel like somebody needs to make honest. W of you get the i. Am you know what what what is what does make an honest woman me. Because that's the that's the thing What does that mean like house. I don't know. I don't know what it means. Because lot of women who are like they might meet the guy end up with at a club and they might before they get together. They might be somebody who parties every weekend. Go for drinks on wednesday night. Happy hours yeah so you don't eight bigger every sunday night. At eight biggers honest man and a woman out of you eliminate the other seven. What the fuck. I in the aspect that makes sense stieg make honest woman that anybody though because he don't go out like it. Not a shot steve. I think make an honest woman out of somebody though. That's probably like yeah man. Yeah you'll need to find them of. That's what i'm saying. I mean this isn't hopefully. We do women at the table for real. Want me and was like facing this woman. Seattle and i'm looking at the cheese and he's standing right next. He was so Cooking tonight and obviously he has bake some macaroni and cheese. I want to go a pitcher. Dale she says she was making some. What'd you barbecue. Chicken dirt habits and movie of american pie should be called macaroni and cheese. My cousin he was over yesterday and he was like he was like hungary. And i was like i could take something i i honestly don't know if you top that mill. Because he was there. When i made it anyway like you gotta bring some place when you had a little party i. She may food dan. What you eight for me. What what what. What is she a nice election. I told me. I reds got now so you gotta burn for party when you see writing me. Come on with the you. If i knew we got to promote you gotta do you remember that episode. I was playing was him. Feel like the closer no. We sat down in the group. And we play together you there. Why are you doing this. Wanted them to know that was given nigga side of the holidays at the grocery store. If i was interested would you give a colonizer shot ever four. And then he would you. Would you give now. Derek and another one. His name was patrick interesting with interesting about it. I know a patrick. I can't take. I can't say no you don't notice okay. Cool good that's anyway. So would you give away due to sign at the grocery store. Yeah just not him dan. What was wrong weeding. He's just like he is black women. Oh what's wrong with that. though. I i wanna be. Fetishizes is creepy. Almost he looked like the concrete. Your souls let me see. See me a picture at also like the bottom of your feet. Yeah he wants you to the bottom of your feet and call you like inward be while. He's doing whatever cool. I wanted to experience something like a red headed white a really had a ginger on my bucket list before I didn't. I didn't make it. No but i definitely thought the same thing and we keep going back to the reds. But i follow a celebrity. Lots i was thoroughly disgusted. Because they think just because you wanted to celebrate it for the red haired girl did you just want to see a bunch of red bush's shit man. I just started asking for a guy he was. He was gorgeous offering. He was wanted the ones who knew he was good. That's why they had a part. Did you have a fucking nazi part with the comb over thing now. He didn't now. He had more this shaggy long and it was. It was beautiful. It was beautiful. He was one of the white guys who you know on the colonizers who likes. She's just trying to let you know that she knows what they did. The ones who lake way to wines and like not unknown flies. I hate to be flying way. Doc is linked to the rest of this steve cure Djidjov a bucket list gender was a racial slur now. See just like movado. Yeah she is she will not. I'm just not big lotto. Money clearly is because she came out with statements or somebody new who management. Somebody thinks he's the big lotto she. Sexiest walked oh. He's got like did he ran from p. Diddy diddy house thinking like teddy boys and two chains. I thought you make a change like that. But big lotto makes a lot more sense eat then he pretty much likes clean cut girls but he loves lada and i was like even i don't what's wholesome sweat. Shirts sweater. like mitt knitted sweater girls. You know what i'm saying. I think women are going to be in their future. Some that you can tell that they're cute but you know lake. They're like get the braces off except like four shots cool. He's that's dope. He loves them a lot of. But you know. I got a theory on these now. Now that like female rap is like at the forefront dakota right now i i see like i understand why women females auditory tour female rap. Is that bad. I mean the grammy say it female the words or so say like best woman. The breath today say should the grammy say best woman rap artists. But they don't say best guy they say now male and female okay. so that's why coached member. I remember you got coaching but took. But you won't hear me say female. Outside of saying i was saying. Was you circle female yearbook application. Because sometimes when men say they use it like they wanna say bitch but they say female day and let me tell you about this female. Would they really mean. Let me tell you about this big. I feel like don't even. I won't even give them. I feel like bitches to is is is less degraded and how they actually use. Female is like the change in your pocket. You know what. I'm saying like the way me and talk about females eight says it sounds more. It sounds possessive to me. You know what i mean. It's possessive is. So i am and i had this one female over the other night. I had a ten. Ps you know what i mean. I think that's so many women's share that mean that i was looking at the news. One all men doing social media how to be women if you'd have to say that used to the database though and is far as like without straying too far away from what we talked about the they just don't really they are done though but they love to tell you what they like. As far as the problem with that though. But i'm looking at it in those specific foot. You bet the piss me off my girl drug chains it kind of draws wore what she changed the kind of draws or two years in brief i am now. That's a good choice it is it is. I was wearing boxes but she changed the kind of make you anymore. Did she buy you some briefs and you like the more bottom. She brought me song. I like them. Yeah and then. She just kept fucking by the lake down. But what i'm saying is she changed. Don't tell me don't tell me that. I can't say i like your her certain way. You could tell me what draws the last thing you had like so you know. Put them on me tell you my last like of course. He did phone jesse jones. Well it's not the same No it is the you this fucking olympics. Donate bracing you say. I ain't felonies. Is she win a bunch more. But you've said so what's wrong with me take an asylum saying hey i like your hair. Short was wrong with that roy episode where he said girls only today her. They're going through something. That sounds very vain did they do. They says a midlife crisis when they broke his is fucking stressed out. Fuck and i. I know i know for a fact that it's a fact. Come round like fucking tweety bird out of sudden because of negative and broke your heart them biggest you to washington myself and how. Y'all say you seem to be. I say call them often me myself and i fucking says she cut off all. It's the fact have come on now. You're on versus beyond say because you don't want me to be right you're not right okay. We we was watching a homecoming last night or they had at home. You win watching it. But this berge against i said the only person that can go against his riyan anything. I don't they riyan round win vs i judge versus this shocking this shack which one which one i prefer to hear more but some people just versus by you know actually watching it like who has the better energy like the others but like i was saying that like because it was like i don't know have enough and i was like a complete a whole anti album. That's it and it goes into my point of no matter how you judge the verses what how is it judge overall. What's what's kind of. I don't think there is overall like like like ashanti kisha the bill wash chicago. But it's going to be close. I think i think i think it's judgment on the track lists late. Yup depends on what you play against. Certain shit too. Like fair was trash way better than when he played. His fat was fashion at one. In my opinion he just didn't play the right tracks. Mommy won it though. Because he got more his kiss he has over. Howard says the songs jaded play gucci. Doozy should like. I just feel against lopsided by jesus you just had more hits. I mean here more his but even the fbi sashes way bigger like travelled out. That's not really a single. That was a straight single. That was a tape joint. Jay one but i did like. She's energy only. I mean he was just there to antagonize bullshit knows he started off with the bush. This is round one like he. He started off on the bullshit. But i aside. I liked that he actually performed songs. Like jay z was performed. You could sit like obviously. He doesn't like them saying his just to keep the energy. You know what i'm saying. Yeah i'm kudo saying oh then ain't gonna sit down and have a civil cordial meeting. They had like i just not on that no more. You know what i'm saying. Let's say he said he's old he's just not own it. No more. but you. But i'll i'll go by what i'm going by when own these verses is is like you know what you see the most who like you go on social media and see most people say are saying this because i mean for real. It's a popularity contest is going to be those stuff that people's most familiar with down. We've seen a little huntin. If three little boys who did a youtube way about the jisi and gucci battle like fake artist everything that happens like vale do some shit like is cuando. Rondo wrong for this. And then they had those three little boys right there. Now have like a youtube title no contest from the standpoint of the of a versus that was a popularity contest which will discount stores mercer menu. Fresh like yeah cure you kinda grew up in new york and louisville but a little fresh shoots scores got he hits though so it was like. I remember seeing meek millionaire. He was too young for this. Or whatever you saying this is like you say me. Burlington maine is eleven light. I'll jupiter the whole cash. Money ship is a regional shitty. He's north he's up north. Es we know many things like hot boys like in middle school like. Has you know what i'm saying. Hot boys all cash money. I mean i was like before middle school. I was up no limit heavy. Yeah and when. I got in middle. School like hong was hot boy. Guerrilla war tradition kind of happened. It was a low wayne. Fucking baucus hide and juvenile four hundred dollars shit. Yeah so yeah. It's popularity contest whoever who have saw own now the so. We got a battle coming up next weekend. Next saturday of ashanti. Kiko think that's going to be a popular. I just think ashanti's better than not have you ever heard of kisha co album. High school kishan has the better albums period. Like she has the better ashanti was good for her mainstream hits but her overall albums maybe two good ones so so the first one is foolish south foolish foolish and other scrabble. Yes that's a classic but kisha has like five classic albums the first one the first one the second one the third hand four points. You're listening to call again. I went back in the day when the ballot now but he got the. I mean. that's the only thing like when it come to. That battle is a shot to get them hooks. Gyro records the home and songs state they. She's only on the husband's ashes only joined us. She got like a little versed in mesmerize. You don on classes though on the little fake Playlists that was gone around. I have kisha cold last night. Beaten mesmerized like. I would prefer to hear diddy and kisha call last night before i listened to us posted so i didn't know a lot of a lot of the kucher on on this is going to have some besides beaten ashanti wade key chicago leg like i said her albums are really good. So it's a lot of like songs that she could play. There was never even like a mainstream hit that is still a hit and if you know how music and you know johnson's music you prefer to see i wanna make is. Is that another thing with this i. It's it's it's all opinion based like look what's love classic but what's it against. I'm giving. I'm giving slow also love always on time. The kisha chicago has said the song crabby. That would beat. What's love off the muscle. Knows she's gonna be all right now. No you can't read. She got into you come on You know our list rain on me rain on me. Oh my god remember the videos drink more player. But she got the new joint with tori on chick state she episode. She does mckee chicago. Fire down for you. Don't even go into the so many says on john rules albums assigned. Yeah but if you only with features side that's just because like Kiko is like agassi. See her column in the battle at you know what i'm saying. You you is the hook on their song. I can see her. Ashanti get classic hooks stomack classic hooks law up played out a way to the crew. Cab i got. I got one for damage. That's worth a banger. Negga lance classic. I'm gonna tell you some. John rule that one fucking album. I can't remember which one it was ending. I'm coming out of this shit. Look the same time on. This song. Called carter jaru ashanti and lloyd listened. I it ain't popular it ain't the it wasn't a single. That fucking song is fire was a fire focus on and they just had shit like that does just out there that you don't really pay no attention to but that's what i'm saying. Kishan has albums. But i don't care you know how this shit works like we we've seen enough versus to know how it works just because you got something that's dope on the album. It doesn't mean it's going to beat something from A like a single. You know what i'm saying now to you it might. But but that's that's the fucked up thing about the versus thing is is all popularity has a big fan base. Oh kisha co shanty today. Generally kiko got a bigger fan base and ashanti overall overall. I feel like one at one point in time. Ashanti had a bigger fan base thing. Is elmo. the name was came up by gyro today and on on his. it must be marine. Gummer song on jerusalem He knew got killed Thank god let him. Is this with nicotine. Listen john rule no more nicotine. Listen jerusalem more. That's all i'm saying roy is on or you. Are you ellie that album. I go into my back. Can't even. I never listened to listen to listen to steve and let me tell you something i do. You consider you like you like hip hop you a hip hop historian you. Dan listen to collect. Because you like fifty childish at that point challenges. I do. I listen to listen to his out if his good and it was good. It was not won't listen. Drake was drake was steve. Martin wrap dark cloud demo tapes. Never got play after. I played through draper steven drake saucy today. Drink steve spotify wrapped. I'd me brown. 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All right listen please. Listening to fifty lease. Listen this the curtis please. Listen are you l. E. album is fucking fire died. I promise you is fire. You ever seen glory with little slave moving movie your balance fifteen and watched them slave movies. Wow man i can't sorry. They had dinsdale. During the prayer nichols was saying that. No my law lord lord long. Okay no listen. Are you elliott. You'll see one time okay. So all right. I got music. The evidence oblast to who blasts do the b. b. o. X. s hardest job. Now what's he talking about b. o. x. Mike waste rub. I'll others blixt offer chapstick listening a blake's man. He's co okay. So what are we listening to. No love lost album. The album right there on the way home news shooting in eighteen minutes make small inside neiman. Marcus new issue. When i went to lennon's ma seen him naked four go intitiative will come out with an earring. Bag is i. This is not the place for me. And i can't People be talking to me a better linda. I just have no interest in movements atlanta dog. would you have what. What if a backs in new york. What's the bag was waiting on you. So what so. What do you been allowed As to me. Atlanta is like a town. When new yorkers wanna leave new york and go down south dakota atlanta where anybody if invited zone lives at buffalo fucking of a of a bag was waiting for you in idaho. You may move in idaho. I think i could get a bag anywhere. Okay anywhere chasing bread. I apply for another job or atlanta position and high school is just like all this drama. Really petty shit. If if that was a city it would be atlanta's like go down there and makes it happen though that's great i wouldn't just go visit. I never been been nowhere. I wanna move here vacation. Wise like I mean i guess. I guess i have but like not innocent whereas like let me start looking you know what i mean. I've definitely been some places. Like i could liver no real desire to. I've been places couldn't live here. Like i couldn't live in miami. Do expensive now. I grew up in new york. It's not you need some snow. Tim's disrespect magazine. I don't know like this coming outside to that. All the time coincided what song became ings is just always a hard cold but hole behind. I'm behind the town joining. Like i know what i am. I could picture today but you see you know and don't ever say illness by more people on twitter talking about it now. I know there's still some kind of exclusivity about it to where are you. You owner Oh okay i i about three is called asshole by i'm subscribing. I look at. It is already just but hosts a little piece of cloth behind. That's too thin. That's like gee. I really don to bar. I knew what it was though balloon now a little piece of cloth right over it. You know what i'm saying. The balloon could the balloon. Thank y'all we do like if i like. I wouldn't be judged about as far as plastic surgery or get some dick extension roof ragged funk flex by. 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I remember i had turned awesome. Oh who jada stevens. Yeah turtles jacob plug in the in. The air was fucking black and milds and out of here. Put yourself somewhere else. Why i like it though. I i don't want unsolicited. Dick pic semi a video. He put some coco went on the tip of issue. What the fuck god. Dammit specific free free posts home about If i send you a picture. But if i'm faced with you and i'll show you my pussy like either something innocent. The world is the most the wants to do is still. you'll be here. Look at history bakery. Hey i love that. He'd be posted applies. See probably go. Listen definitely and gonna to eat the screen and say damn nigger. If i'm showing my put she said damn. I hate a more negative functional my pussy on facetime egg like licking or something. The for i'm definitely nah nigga for over. You wanna lick lick my phone screen mega festival girl wanted me to do it. It too are you are you. Should not have any limits would girl. You should not have any limits which um live fucking making the talk myself into it. So what what is it that you wouldn't tra- why are you against pegging mega to accent in. If he gets his ass eight right he said yes. I said oh okay. So what are your limits. As far as you know as plays concern and he said probably pagan tangoing as that's not going in your ass going on around somebody teach me going on rim. Teach me two ways. That's supposed to be put my tongue in there. So you know my tongue in toby to solve and what do they do both boot do. Both you don't were type. can't sometimes. They eat around the with negative. Get inside with to war. I thought i was doing something they hang on. I'm hanging on blake shag. Scooby burn one drunk. I would write down this title hanging on room way shack now. Pakistan swish is pegging dislike sky. But what makes a gay monet. Say anything gay because when i was on wild homophobic because i said i would not suck dick for main dollars. Homophobe you can't say gay dow why think. Why would you not get paid in. 'cause i'm not i i'm not fucking put nothing i'm not gonna break out the i'm not bending over. And then she put in my aspirin. Why you gotta say it like ed does. Mis adds up by your knees were. I've noticed that i'd never go get no koto brutal. So you noticed. I'm i'm i never go get what i want with this. Go get my sheet. Waxed neighbors ashes. Hurry the only one eight. I would say he loved me. Girl on azima grow hair scape and ask window a. She's not say my nuts. I don't i don't like her pussies lang have a to though it is. I'm not been in over full amount. Not holding my legs to say my girlhood legs ever komo also flip you over and do myself again. Get his legs up like rotisserie chicken three ways to do as lay on your stomach legs open mic and just spread your cheeks. St imagine they flew over. Yeah when i get a brazilian. Yeah meg meg today. Tell her turn around. One time. I told you she. She listens to the show my coworker but she was saying she got a little. She had a laser hair removal from from groupon. And she said she got she got the box part. Done issues like yeah. They told a turnover and she was so confused. She the older white lady but she's like she's goofy too. She apologizes and she like. I'm so sorry yet to see this. But i think she had been laser well. She's apologizing for because he was embarrassed out they were. You know okay but okay one of the topics we had. Now you might like now our half. Yeah we dare now shower before sex. I think as a pass the thought that tagging this game they might i liked. Who wouldn't get they ass. Eight in girl girls gave but what i'm saying. His bending over eight masculine and then putting your fucking ankles your earlobes masking so everything you do has to be masculine. Why would a masculine year. Less of a masculine man. Because you've done one thing that's not masculine quote unquote during the act out. Break up with me naked. Ankles earners ankles editors and fucking he's gay dams. He likes she. Damn what's he gonna do video. Drop what you do you break up with you in the video. What's video anytime you come onto prior you're out. She's i guess. I'm for his ass and then she you see dropped the video. Earning nobody out on the pot she said. But you enjoy episode and even called me out with steve right now. We listen to him. He was on episode channel to my ex. Now tell you delete that day. We get messages from harbor. None none our our salary and gotta we don't want it to bring it out of problems. We talked about it before. Like how sensitive the giant is and how you can really fuck it up by bringing some say that dirty. And i'm not that dirty if i sweat that'll mean like i'm gonna fucking zambo. Now lets you for this long. But his growth dirty to worse said do shouldn't have to. I think it's drake say that. I don't think as you say. I should shower before. Says you said. I feel like addition to do can get away with it. She cannot from like the fucking fish mark. And that's the problem mega think they could get away with it. We can smell sweat on your massey. I've dick's to saying deathly or no scratching. I took a shower tonight before. Not smell no. Mush is fucked the next day here but just because you didn't smell it doesn't mean wasn't there it just means you you see body saying I don't think it matviyenko. I think the answer the answer should hold on. Let me go was that Gee we're talking on technical has not subject before we gave we saw about something but she was like well. Maybe they get. It was somehow posed browning yup posted at me. I am drunk. No excuse me. But i posted that mean to say i like it was due texan. Little texan joint. She said what are you. What are you about me. And they do angry either this bitch. I you just different q. I wanna know what you were. I wanna know how love this too much about that. Though that's an income out of my. I didn't go out of my way to tell you i like you you day like me. You should also which you say should be like. But that's my point that day i say he's actually he'd be like i like you would you like about you. Don't even know me. I like the fact that you about the back out of this threat. Delete threat competition. Not the fact that you get waxes from showers. What you like about man it puts just back handle smell to it. I was a fan of it. Still i am. Why don't why can't you just take your deal compliment. Why why you need it Capitalized what you like about me. Bro come on just like ethnic this bitch phone just open it up and close it. I see red compliment about. That's not a compliment though. That's also interesting. You just going around the ear hair. that's a compliment. i like. I like the statement now likely so what the ford humane you. What about you. What do you mean what do you like. I feel like even as a man like me. I feel like somebody say. I like you to me. I know what the fuck they talking belt. They like my personality or shit. You know me. I'm not going dig deep into about me because ain't too much to like about but typical for most men to yesterday layers but women do. So what do you like about me. So the nigga tell you that we like you and the moment i can't stand she's right me right but at the same time she answered on and you answered your own question though. Because i ain't got a lot of layers so you ask me what i like about you fuck. I don't fuck that. I ain't got no layers. Okay go deeper simple. We could really just you know what i'm saying like talking to you. Yeah why not look like talking to do. What kind of conversations do you like to that own. Okay this is real world. Shoot man i say no. Fucking classroom Time talking to you. They're not going to say. Why do you like token stay. Like he wants. It wasn't on the podcast. You gotta represent all women like this is one time you don't have to do trust me. They will definitely he actually that though. I feel like it's only because they feel like you capping and if you owe compliment fishing. They complement fishing. Hate a fucking. Why like everything is. Why do you do that. What is that i hate. That is just curious. No shane me. Ask me why everything. God damn shit. I said thank who make you saying to fly. You gotta feedback thing serious brothers. Go to compensation. No i i like. I like number you. But that's so is what i said in an essay. If you don't like me what a foot have your phone number and true but you can't tell from that mean if it's a phone conversation. She says she would say. I say technical. Now you're getting texan was taking to twitter deal. I hate that the down about the bring something to the table so we can argue. Some even day was sexy. Everything who got number they can get it from you soon. Somebody conducts business. I swear to you they are negatives who will take a number from a business page all along a thirsty gonna go through the. Llc's scroll down to the bottom west contact and that's a fact. I have an ex from high school. Who's currently emailing me. But he emails my business email. And i'm like how did you get this email. He said i will do Damn i ain't going to hikes like that then. He deserves a shot now. He doesn't why don't he he was his baby. Mother okay. does he want to. Nobody has a kid. The answer was no. There's is no. He don't wanna live with his baby mother but if they break up he going to be homeless house personal and like i can help with these. So you telling me biggest k Find their next. No it was. It was not i mean. It was a threat on twitter. But some girl she had posted room has story on instagram. And they say. I love kids so much. How many of you have kids. And it was like a poll What he do like trash. Our ingenious rushing the fall. Dubs like who got kids because i am news. Be taking a kid trying to base something baby all that. So they definitely. I can see that this is dumb. Like definitely by dumbass definitely will fall for sure mike. Okay i got it okay. Got something else steve. And and. I know we'll wrap up here soon but talking to like so so since curious in the mood to defend women so much here we go to russia. No no no. No no no no. It's never watched that linear. I've seen people talking about it on twitter about. I never watch rigo now. No i think. I think you may a lapsed for for our conversation but this right here where i got right. This is clearly a text rate. You see this. I'm marie to read it to you. You see that this is this is clearly. It's extra so so money gets guys suited up straighten themselves. I'm gonna tell you what happened monday. You guys suited up and put on his watching belt. Buckle to the bathroom into the southeast and he sent to this girl obviously he got a phone number somehow right with us. That's the part that get. We'll get hit with the with the selfie and then he blocked out something. I'm assuming that's his name. And then he asked to. Was your favorite restaurant. No reply next day. You want to go to dinner no reply. And then our later. He says congrats. You just got deleted by seven fig nigg you miss your blessing in life with a true with the true rich nigger are usually. Don't date outside of my tax bracket. But since i ran into you twice back to back i thought he was smarter than the average broke ho. But you're not enjoy your average life. Okay now the nigger went in. He's goofiest work for the last comedy. I'm giving you all of that. How to fuck less less less. Be less assumes is. She's averaging this is an asha got an old businesses and nothing like that. How did he get a phone. He could have got it from a friend. He said. I seen you out twice right. They can have mutual friends. that's why he's got a number of the second time or he got it from somebody who she came with. That's not far fetched. I don't leaguers. Begin six numbers from yes france. Maybe getting checks numbers from the girls. The girls france who's using. I'll never have to ask. Six ran for her phone number. And then give it to me. Yeah but just because you haven't done it doesn't is done often. I'll sure but. I just don't get wider chick with if you're hunger while she will give this random megaphone didn't handle shoes he might be hard to get to like swiss. If i'm cool with you. And i'm cool with her and i feel like it might be a good match up and you tell me like you enter us it. You'll can i get her number decided to you. I might tell her after the fact like you're not you're not giving you girls know nobody's fucking number two. Nobody you are not. It depends who it is. This is what. I'm saying like like if his steed you they want to your home. Girls no steve. This diagnose and stieg asked for the phone number. You giving it to stieg. I have a cousin who i'm close in age and wear close. I feel like my cousin is a standup guy. If i have a close friend that's not the same. If i have a close friend miyahara friends close friends now. The first time she seen him she was like a. Who's that she's not looking. It's not like i said to highlight. Y'all got a cousin you might be interested. That's looking up. But she asked me about him. I just sent her the contact. And then i let him know late girl now now to people you extremely close to and the girl. That's not many layers to niggers so you who get a number two. who's number. Did you give to who. And i gave my cousin his his come on. You give these number two. I'm sure am. I see what was he saying. She gave a do her home girls number now. Now it's not what we talking about. What are we talking about can. would you give you wanna. How homegirl numbers to do. Yes i'm saying it depends on who it is. Okay my cap. Drop this cat please. No side big cap. I don't believe it for good reasons. Because she gave him her number and then ignored she. First of all. Listen women love to out men. I don't understand why. I don't wanna sound women to men so i'll i'm about to Exposed this nigga for being thirsty data the given okay. The nigga was very disrespectful at the end of his message. Now i'm not gonna. I'm not on either side of this argument but let me tell you why you should be on one hundred. Let me tell you why. I'm not because how it looks. I'm going to ignore this. I'm gonna give you my number. And then i'm gonna let him do all this crazy shitting nor and then i'm a blacksmith. Right time both of these things where come from the message is the message on. The message wasn't on the right side of the screen. Posted girl stop his messages on the left side. He was sending them guy. This ring. blue right yes. Yeah he was sending up so she in him but how he gets it like like i. I know that women who will. I've seen where women get number away. I said like. I just out of negga for being thirsty all i because negga keep accion. Why what what he number. Yeah keep it's like. Do i send you the other day. No we're gonna say. I can't magazine door. Wish it like especially if it. Let's say we all got mutual friends. You've been interested. You've been on my body and everybody having a good time and you in my let me let me let me get your number. I might just wait just to shut you up for the rest of the night. 'cause i'm trying to enjoy myself boho dragon. I don't drink shit now wrong number. Yeah that no more because they'll call it over right. They're dangerous for the wrong is dangerous for you to not give your number if you a woman but this is what i'm saying that's why you should be on other side because we don't know even if she did her number we don't know why nigga all pressure you into giving early on hostile your number seen an early on story. She hadn't mega saved as boring man. Like you and no. I kinda lame. Because she went like that wasn't the point of what she was posted. The point of where she po- was posting. It was like some other. She posted a picture his home screen the notifications but it was like the top notification and it wasn't even a text message it was on some fucking maybe passing. I'll know it was some shit but the next notification said born man and it was like had smashed into whatever now like you know what you're doing. Yeah i if if any follow us by dams is emmy talking saints. More man is weaker swell. That's we it'll be hurt w breaking hearts we get to harness. Stink is a nigga scorn. Okay you think thing he he thinks is lane that women do but when men do the same shit is cool. I never heard because we salute. Somebody both know right. He was like. I used to think she was bad but she wanted me now. I said why she cohen he sect shit like this. He sent me video high in a car unless you say she showed what kind of car it was negative. Just disagree that all the time. What is corner that he was saying. That about steve doesn't go in. Pass my phone around we. We i was mike last night by phoning me in an offer me me irking jamie said this nigga right here is two lane to me. Cue you follow. Do not follow him. Because he's gonna need me. Look exactly it is you know. Hey man started my shoes. Big means burglar this dark skinned again back like hey may with him. That's why like i went. I went on went out on a date with his ex. Oh okay man you doing. She told me. I was considering way we pungent took about her. But you talk about who i talk about. We see this as you say. If you say you say somebody's boozy then. Obviously how do you put up with somebody who's full themselves. Not any clearly fool to getting tattoos being fully yourself exceeds busey to me like if if i got something against boozy than i definitely got something against fulham. Some people like that like sounds like supreme confidence the like some some people how you think future gingrich is some some people like the fact that he's just like super cocky future bitches back him getting bitches. I feel. I really feel like his record. You don't think confidence is attractive to some people. I'm attracted to supreme confidence but we're talking about like over the top though was over the top. Come on what makes us No no no no no no no no no you don't have. You can have can have supreme confidence without without it being over the time you don't okay. That's right but but back to the future point. I just like. I feel like people i want to say women. I feel i people will want they want to know what the fuck is about. This person deware to where they've dealt with so many people and so many people continued to deal with future can have nine ten baby miles and still get the next rich. Can't that fucking baby while. Live here with my baby mamas. He's not rich but it's still somebody who's probably be the nag's rich man vegas. I think it's the missed leaves rick's assessment take it from there to lauri harvey right. Who has future. Who's gonna continue to date me in that. You know of like because wants to know what the hell was going on over aside from the fact okay. Yeah she's gorgeous or whatever. What else years light because for me a normally if like hypothetically speaking if i was single and there was a girl who was gorgeous but i know ten different like i know them. I'm not going. I'm not going to have dealings with the girl. No matter how good you look but there are some people who like you know they see like damn this one this one this one like. It's gotta be something so now wanna see myself. You see what i'm saying. I don't so i feel like this. That's separate from the supreme confidence thing already go now. What he's exam sold allows koon-ko now in but i. He's still on the first topic. Free spouse we do. Cure is wrong. What did we say wrong. What did we do appointments. Am i to appointment on thursday man. Look g carry together. Let me do now. I know young young young at the malls an extra for you. Now painted bro. You put me branch had signed. Ballsy should should be different. Lace snowflake bosque idea bosque out of neal's Now now what you gonna do still young you commit curb your pay. You ain't going nowhere abu. I don't wanna black paint nikola marilyn manson and then. But that's all i would do. I can't do no. I'm not about arbat. 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You're definitely a hobby. And i wanna be non-regular i don't nothing if they wanted if in a heat s corny now and i'm trying it out of it forces we it was class always going. It's corny having preferences in coining. I don't know how might be pseudo hype. Shit i i wish everybody could admit the fact that they are high bs. If if you hit sneakers up every fucking time that you win win for something you'd be happiest but it wouldn't exist but there's a there's like a goddamn personality as a personality that comes with a high bs new shit like i got from calabasas calabasas through twenty seven. I mean my mother new battles his his limited casablanca. You ain't taking them out of the box and showing them off talking about damn you need. Get the like these characteristics story. Did you ought to me all that. I see none of i'll even pose pigeons auto police. You know i do. I mean i mean as for me but for me. I g like my pages. Where with them into low. Yeah i i'd like to. I just feel. I just feel in disagreement. That what i'm saying is is corny to somebody. We all need somebody like me personally. I out homeboy. We debate about this all the time. I like to buy designers ship. But i hate when my designers say shit all over it so he thinks that's corny corny. But i think if corny that he by the very shit it's loudest for loudest gucci. Shit this loudest spotlight now. I want my son gucci loafers. The only way you know is gucci is because i told you not because it says it on the box. Yeah hey goosing say gucci. Gucci bag is all agree with best is but it's not an opinion to me because he plays quickest was having on facing going. I was having a conversation with somebody at work that was. It's the older. She's an older lady. She's ten years older than me. Maybe fifteen years older than me. She's like yeah. I was out here running street selling drugs. Shit like that like you know and i got all this two hundred fifty dollar cudi like this that nigga go and spend the money on less loudest fuck that that instantly plays. There's literally the one day you can wear the very next day. You can't wear that shit one and to me that's always been corny like branding has always been coined to me but there are like me personally. I always say if. I buy like a really expensive bag is going to have to be timeless piece because if ever need to sell this bitch i need to be able to sell it whether it's two thousand and twenty or two thousand two hundred twenty one hundred two thousand and she don't drink but some people just by you know. Shake this trendy. At the moment. I saw that fucking shit. What the fuck is that. He was in atlanta. It's on nigga jada ari remodeling those game. Two pieces were they called. They corny without war. She by the pull them up podcast listeners. 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Almost like you don't even have the time falsely if you don't get you off of their normal behavior for the hopes so permanent sitting on the couch watching movie with just a t shirt. Oh listen to you sleep. I'm tired of them. You still say no. I was never gonna suck. I'm going to bear gotta work into have a friend who's like really into it so it is like a delicacy in her household. Brace yourself of misery. I feel like hunting is one in the same. He's not really late. Sleep standing up not he. She says that he performs or heart but like she'd be wanting to try other shit as far as like. Just wanna do sorry here. She comes with fuck strap on straggler dick but put but me this again on question for you if you go children girl and you have high follow each other and then you see. She tweeted is thirty minutes after she left. You could damn. Is this what this name me. How you feel about that. I like you. Don't give a fuck noted story rogo texts me. Tomasi me. But i think listened. You just make sure before you buy any kind of comments like you guys those together. I don't become lovely house and you'll shit. Ain't you know together like you ain't prepared to complain about the day's performance. Don't don't don't complain about it because she was just talking because she was mad. My separated from us please. Especially if she listens from you see listed some negatives dooby thirsty the fucking oud. Don't even know how to fuck thirsty to five. Did the before. The thirst is all in the performance. I mean i now let me get another sutton out. I'm not as thirsty but behind the flexible noodle yeah some there and it'd be the new one in first round. That's what i'm saying is your performance. You've you floyd off. Just wait till you get used to whatever how is your second round they like immediately or is it like go. Get a glass of water. The slum do eighteen eighteen surprised. Okay all right. Yeah i get your nails done pretty much. That was to twenty twenty report days. We had the outside me having my taxes. Fucking with trump. No no no no fucking right on. Fuck with trump wait. That was a little way. No ceilings three. I asked my ways basically full podcast page all. Social media's new pablo score pot twitter. do tyson's podcast reminding gossiping. While we go ahead and plug center says last tax play bad we got pay on new powerful dot com slash shop. Autos western find out big. We need this money. Basically so you like subscribe follow rate review alec. This you know all the dsp's spotify itunes stitcher youtube iheart heart media all that good shit we everywhere and then as always make sure you do too low as work yes. That's right dude. Laws work listened to a podcast on where to go plug nigga and ask and then the suggestion. You know what i'm saying. It's not the lowest lewis work without saying. I don't i told him to tell you that. Listen listen let me tell you. Let me tell you something society. 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What To Watch For In The All-Virtual Democratic Convention This Week

Radio Boston

06:48 min | 5 months ago

What To Watch For In The All-Virtual Democratic Convention This Week

"Tonight is the start of a Democrat convention unlike any other. Now starting tonight Joe Biden and the Democrats to center stage of what will happen will the seize the moment and what will this convention even look like? That is a brief moment from an ABC news promoting up four nights of a physically distanced all virtual convention. So here to set it all up for us is wbz wears Kalemba Cam welcome back. Great to be here and I've got my block of Wisconsin Cheddar right here so I can pretend them in. Milwaukee even though I'm right here at my house. Which is where we should clarify. Everybody is that you randomly loving Milwaukee Right? That's exactly right. It was supposed to be a milwaukee. So, what's IT GONNA look like now that it's not in Milwaukee You know it might look sort of like one of those TV control rooms. TCI. Where you've got a million tiny screens and this is basically going to be an all remote. Production here, there is a very limited physical presence in Milwaukee. Some Party officials are they're holding meetings, but the speakers aren't there the delegates aren't they're not even Joe Biden is going. To sort of mimic the interactive element, you know the DNC has created what it's calling its stories page on its website. So it's asking voters to record show videos with prompts like why are you voting for? Joe, Biden and what's your American dream? So they're going to try to create the comradery that comes with the convention TC on, but it's just inherently difficult to do a course. So tonight's the first big night who's on the docket where the big speakers. Tonight. The sub head could be what could have been. You Know Michelle Obama the former first lady is speaking Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont is speaking. So of course, they were folks who wanted to draft Michelle Obama into this race. She stayed out a lot of democratic voters hope that Bernie Sanders might be the nominee in his second go round that didn't quite happen. So that's one thing to watch for. Tonight. I think another big theme is the Democratic Party. Trying to emphasize the broad appeal of its ticket Senator Doug Jones of Alabama. Alabama. Democratic senator from Alabama speaking tonight. Of course, he defeated Roy Moore a couple of years ago but they've also got former Ohio governor John Casick speaking tonight and he's a Republican. So they're trying to show that that breadth I think and the last theme I'm looking for. Is really sort of needling president trump right out of the gate. Speakers Tonight, including New York's Governor Andrew Cuomo and Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer who've both generally been praised for their corona virus responses in contrast to the president, and of course, you've also got the Washington DC Mayor Muriel Bowser who painted that big black lives matter on the street in the plaza right near the white. House. So there's several ways this sort of sticking it to the president tonight. And briefly before we move on to local politics compare and contrast th- There has been a traditional purpose of the convention is that the same purpose this time in? Can it be done this way? Yea I mean most of US focus on the primetime speakers at a convention typically though a lot of the business happens earlier in the day out of the spotlight and I think you've actually can do a lot of that remotely. We've all learned how to work in that way in in recent months for example, the Black Caucus, Virgil meeting happening as we speak right now. But those sort of memorable moments maybe a little bit harder to replicate and I think a lot of us remember because your. Copy of the Constitution at the Democratic Convention for years ago or trump's a dramatic entrance with the back lighting and the sort of foggy affected four years ago you're not going to get kind of those and I wonder whether either candidate will get the triple a typical convention bounce that you sometimes see in the week afterward and the polling. Well. That'd be interesting to watch. I. Do want to talk to you about something else you've been following an important Democratic primary race here in the Commonwealth between longtime congressman. Richard. Neal and his upstart challenger Holyoke Mayor Alex Morris. So briefly, Morris has been accused of having inappropriate physical relationships with students from U Mass Amherst while he was a guest lecturer there he says, these relationships were consensual and some of his supporters are suggesting the story was planted. There are now also questions about what role the state Democratic Party may have played in the situation. So I, this is a complicated story is that enough summary? That's a pretty good summary. died you know we're seeing a lot of the same questions that routinely come up when there's a sexual misconduct allegation you know what? What's the motive? Why now I will say one additional layer here of course is that Morris is gay and he's been saying that he's being held to a different standard than a straight candid it would be. So that's another dynamic in this particular case. Okay. So what is the latest on this controversy now? What you know the very latest is that Morris in neo have a debate airing tonight on TV and radio, but the actually taped that debate at noon today. So it's happened and we're all sort of suspense to see how did Morris respond to questions on a live debate stage what did Ritchie Neil say in response I think when you step back I mean the the central thing that's not in dispute is that Alex Morris who's thirty one now had sexual relationships with college students who were adults, and so umass has hired an outside lawyer to probe the nature of those relationships and so I think the central question there is whether. Morris. Did or did not misuse the power that he had as an adjunct professor, a local mayor and a congressional candidate You mentioned the Democratic Party at the state level TC on and doing its own review the some officials within the party reportedly connected students with attorneys who could help them right the complete against Moore's, and so the question there is whether that was inappropriate because. The party is supposed to be neutral in the primary and then the last thing there's also been some document rich reporting in recent days by the intercept showing that a leader of the student group that complained about Morris was hoping to land an internship with Ritchie Neil. So a question there is whether the concerned about more conduct was genuine or political or perhaps some of both. So can we have a minute left? So briefly on this, what impact? Is it having on the race? Have we seen anything? It's hard because there's a lack of polling on this race TC on what we are seeing is that it's been a a fundraising boon for the Moore's campaign. In fact, he says he's raised more than two hundred and fifty thousand dollars in the week since he was accused of misconduct, which is more than double his previous best week of the campaign I will say one thing to keep in mind though is that some voters are casting ballots right now because of the mail in voting process that we have in Massachusetts this year and you know so that's something that people have in their hands probably before you get a conclusion to other one of these investigations. Okay before I. Let you go I want to note the WB are is co hosting the final Kennedy Marquee Senate debate tomorrow night live at seven. One thing that you're looking for in that matchup tomorrow night. Great Moderating Bob Oaks. No seriousness I think that what you're going to see us these candidates getting increasingly personal mark. He's been hitting harder at Kennedy's families wealth and privilege particularly SUPERPAC that's in his corner, and I think candy will probably keep going after Marquis on racial justice particularly the DJ Henry Case. That's WBRC Callum Borsch. Thanks. Callum. Glad to be with you as always.

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Monday 9 December

Monocle 24: The Globalist

58:57 min | 1 year ago

Monday 9 December

"You're listening to the globalist. First broadcast on the ninth of December two thousand nineteen on monocle. Twenty four the globalist in association with UBS the DOC. Hello this is the globalist coming to you. Live from Duri House in London. I'm Emma Nelson and very warm welcome to today's program ahead in the next sixty minutes. If we believe even the rule of law they have every right to appeal the judgement under point. Todd why the judgment is wrong. Considered Wrong Aung Sang Suu chief faces the UN's ends highest court in The Hague over claimed her country carried out. Genocide will examine the full of wants. The woman once heralded as a savior of men. Mar also coming up France Russia and Ukraine or meet with the Russian Ukrainian leaders set to go face to face. What could possibly happen next? Plus we brace ourselves for the final stages of the British general general election and we go through the Monday newspapers to. That's all ahead right here. Only globalist from London plus a quick summary of some other news stories making the headlines. Today several people feared dead following a volcano eruption in New Zealand. The thirty four year old is to become come. The world's youngest leader Santomero and will head a coalition led by five women in Finland and Russia could be banned for major sporting events up to four years later of acclaimed. It interfered with laboratory data on doping the Nobel Peace Prize winner Aung Sang. Suu will personally appear this week to defend me and my against accusations musicians of genocide before the UN's highest court the icy J. in The Hague. It'll hear evidence at the men. Mara authorities carried out mass murder rape keep and the destruction of the reindeer Muslims in Rakhine state to tell us what lies ahead. I'm joined by Dr Ronan Lee. WHO's visiting scholar at the International State Crime Initiative at Queen Queen Mary's with a focus on Myanmar the hanger genocide and hate speech? Welcome back to the programmer and explained how we've got to this point that unsung cheese in Hague. What we've got to this point because of the crimes against humanity and other atrocity crimes that were committed in Myanmar during twenty six and twenty eighty seventeen as many listeners will know there was a what the me and my military described as a clearance operation in the western part me and mountain reclined state? It focused on the kingdom Muslim community. And at that time. More than seven hundred thousand. Regina fled me and my on on foot for Bangladesh. It's it's the largest Peace Time Movement of people in that region It's the largest movement of people in that region. Since the Second World War was characterized by The burning of villages four hundred villages destroyed It's been it was characterized arised by Six crimes The United Nations has documented appalling Victimization of women and girls by Myanmar's military the tree and the targeting of them with sexual violence as as a as a weapon of war. It's been described by senior U in figures as as having the hallmarks of genocide it was described as a textbook example of ethnic cleansing. That's the issues that are at the center of what's happening at the International Court of Justice this week The Gambia has taken issue with me. and Ma both are signatories to the Genocide Convention. The Gambia says that Myanmar is not living up to its responsibilities disabilities as a signatory The two countries will square off in court this week and On Sense Achie- as me and Mars defacto civilian leader has decided that she will act as her country's agent throughout the preceding midst. I Tyler who decision. It's not a it's not a role that you would necessarily expect or think. It was wise politician to fill. You'd think that a A highly trained international lawyer would be would be a better person to represent each side's case but in this instance on sense it. She has decided that it's in her. And her country's interest that she defends the country's image against the accusation of genocide and of course the issue here is that the problem Lem for Myanmar is not that it's being described as genocide the problem for me and Murray's not the label. The problem for me and Ma is the actions. Nations that were undertaken against civilians. Tell us a little bit more about why the Gambia has brought this action. This is apparently the first time that the IC Jay has heard a case between two countries which are not name neighbors because when it comes to genocide because on paper the Gambia should have absolutely no connection action to manual will increasingly. We're living in a globalized world and Gambia and me. And Mara boats signatories to the Genocide Convention I think it. There's a lot of frustration Internationally at the lack of accountability for the appalling crimes that were committed against the Ringa into the Gambia's case. Though it's it's interesting in that the Gambia's attorney general Of A car temper doors is a is a veteran of of the Rwandan tribunal. He's an international lawyer. He's worked internationally on genocide issues. He's visited the camps in Bagladesh. He's talked to ring victims of crimes there and he formed view that what he was saying among the community was very similar in its in. Its nightshirt what he'd seen in his work with Rwanda and he puts he pursued this. He's the Gambia is leading. Ah a case on behalf of the Organization for Islamic cooperation but it's now been supported by some other countries as well but this is this is I think a reflection of of two things one it's a reflection of international frustration that the has simply been no accountability for the perpetrators of upholding hauling crimes against civilians and two. It's a reflection that we are living in a globalized world so I think increasingly will see opportunities for the crimes associated with Things that genocide that have been that have been Not addressed in the past. This is an opportunity to address them through The I- CJ. He mentioned the the fact. That UNSUNG SUCCI has decided willingly to go to The Hague and that she will be representing men Ma. Why do you think she's made that decision? Would domestic politics plays a big role in this this perception in me and my among the majority of the country's at Buddhist community and and I mean me and my country that's that's in Incredibly diverse in in terms of ethnicity. But it's a Buddhist majority there's a perception among the Buddhist majority of Myanmar that the international communities trying to do them down that the international community is not understanding what's going on within Myanmar and that the military reacted to provocation and by a militant group. And that what we're seeing in terms of crimes committed against the Ringa misunderstood internationally and that they're not crimes against humanity and that we're not seeing genocide but what we've seen is simply a proportionate military response and as a result me and my has been made to to look bad that is completely at odds with the evidence I mean it's just simply not the case the issue here is that people misunderstand what Myanmar's military has done to civilians. The issues that they know wall to well what Myanmar's military of civilians the sad thing is that on censored she has has felt the need to defend me and mass military actions in this case and rather than going to her people who who have immense respect for her still so rather than going to them and saying listen the military's got this wrong and we need. We need to walk this back and we need to address this in a way that writes some of the wrongs that have been occurred that have taken place against Ringa civilians rather than doing that. She's going and decided that she will will defend the actions of the military now. What's interesting is that each each party to the dispute the Gambia and me and my gets to appoint an ad hoc judge the I.? C. J. for the for the duration of the proceedings. Not Neither has I as a national judge as part of the I. C. J. ME and my chosen and international legal scholar a German professor Clubs Chris his scholarships interesting. Because some of it has argued that the gene that the definition of genocide has seemingly widened over time. And he's argued that just because a terrible crimes have been committed and just because atrocities have been committed that that may not meet the criteria to be considered genocide. And I think that's what we're going to see me. And my argue at the International Court of Justice there will say yes they might. Well be a terrible crimes that have been committed. And they'll say that they were by accident and that they were by rogue agents of the military rather than orchestrated you started and then they'll say but it's not genocide and try to move on from there so there will be an acceptance that crimes will be will have been committed but it will not actually fit the category of genocide. Do you think sending Sung Succi is part of that strategy given the fact that she arguably present a much softer side of of Myanmar to the public world. I mean it's not long. Since she was heralded as the Voice of democracy that she wasn't under house arrest that she was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize fries and to send her. Does that possibly make it a little bit easier for us to accept her argument this me and my putting its best face forward with me and my to present the people who are actually responsible on the ground for making decisions that led to to these crimes. They'd be sending military figures. They'd be sending Minho online the commander in chief. He turned up as he does all the time wearing military uniform. And that would not be image that me and my wants to portray to the world. What what I think she's going to try to do is show suggests that there's been some minimal and unintentional crimes potentially committed but nothing that goes so far as to be considered genocide that there's no genocidal intent and destroy despite the seven hundred thousand people forced from their homes? Despite the four hundred villages destroyed I mean destroyed utterly gone and and they're still being those villages still being destroyed and despite the one hundred within twenty thousand Ringa who are in concentration camps within me and my today the argument will be that that does not reach the criteria to be considered incident genocide briefly. What can the cook do? You mentioned that. There's been an international outcry. There's been an outcry about the lack of the international community. Being able to do anything to stop what happened in the hands of the ICJ what what can will it can tell me to stop the the initial proceedings can tell me and my to stop committing eating crimes that genocide. It can do that and then he can. It'll have further. Hearing an editor will decide on the merits of the case but ultimately a CJ decisions of passed on to the to the UN and it will be in the hands of the UN whether or not the will be action taken to force me and modest dopamine as it is me and my doesn't seem to have a view that it needs to stop doing anything. These crimes are ongoing U. N.. Investigators are just a couple of months ago. Said these crimes crimes are ongoing within me and my that there are hundreds of thousands of renew within Myanmar today who are at imminent risk of genocide to earn and thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle twenty four you're listening to the globalist. Eight twelve in Zurich. Eric Eight twelve seven twelve here in London. Ukraine has played a central role in the impeachment inquiry into Donald Trump. But it's president and it's people have so far managed to avoid being dragged into the spotlight since faded phone call on July the twenty fifth between the US president and his Ukrainian counterpart so one can imagine the arrival of President President. Trump's reservoir wayward lawyer Rudy Giuliani in. Kiev may not have been the most welcome sight. Not least because of meeting sheduled this week between the Russians Ukrainians and the French to try to end the war in eastern Ukraine. Well to tell us more I'm joined by. Christopher Miller is a journalist based in Kiev welcome to monocle twenty four Christopher just expenses before we move onto this enormous meeting between the Ukrainians and the Russians care is trying to focus on. That meeting is trying to focus on the peace talks. and and then Rudy Giuliani turns up and explodes all the headlines. That's right you know. Since since the impeachment inquiry really they began and the whole thing in Washington kind of blew up and dragged Ukraine into the mix Ukraine was was preparing for this big meetings. So it's done everything it possibly can to try to stay out of this impeachment Inquiry or or scandal handle he will there has been essentially a gag order placed over everyone within these alinsky administration. That's that's Ukrainian president residents Alinsky of course and Himself has tried to distance himself from from all of this so when Giuliani surprisingly arrived late Wednesday in Kiev as as Ukraine was gearing up for this meeting which everyone just kind of there was essentially this this collective grown roane and and people kind of went into this. What is he doing mode and trying to seek out you know just what he was doing and trying to figure out who he was meeting with and of course we would come to find out sooner or later that He was meeting with several roll disgraced former prosecutors and some current politicians Who are viewed by Ukrainians as being pro Russian due due to their connections with Russian businessmen and politicians and their past in being part of the KGB which is now today a day Russia's FSB federal security service so Giuliani kind of came in here surprisingly swooped in met with a bunch of really dubious characters to continue his backchannel Ukraine campaign and digging up dirt on a democratic political rivals of His client President Donald Trump trump and then zipped out on Friday afternoon saying that it was necessary because there were security concerns and all this distracts rex numerously from the meeting this week in Paris between the Ukrainians and the Russians does right as I said that Ukrainians have been ever since Zilenski was elected president in April Really pushing for a meeting with the Russians and specifically with Russian President Vladimir Putin Zielinski President of Vitamin Dolinsky was elected. Basically on two key things one was was ending debt corruption and the other was ending the war in eastern Ukraine rain which has been grinding on for more than five years. Now more than thirteen thousand people have been killed and these peace talks between the U Between Putin and and and Ukrainian leader Florida's Alinsky. It was President Petro Puerto Rico have been stalled since October. Two Thousand Sixteen so the fact that this meeting eating is even taking taking place is considered a small victory by the Ukrainians Zilenski You know sort of laid the groundwork for this meeting by by communicating with Putin on on several issues and agreeing with several several things ahead of this summit One of those was a prisoner exchange. That took place in September. The other was disengagement or essentially the withdrawal withdrawal of troops from three key points at the frontline in eastern Ukraine. So now within several hours the two of them were going to meet in Paris and try right to make a little bit more progress on ending the war. But nobody is really expecting a major breakthrough and that's ultimately because because it is Vladimir Putin who really holds the cards in this many saying that this is the first opportunity that the two sides will have to size each other up with the Russians Russians trying to work out if he can be pushed around. I think that's absolutely right Zilenski is a former comedian. Who became president sort sort of in the accidental manner? Almost that he became president in the comedy series That that made him really popular for Putin. This has been and it's been difficult to sort of size him up he is not President Petro Pachinko Lindsay's predecessor Who who was seen as a a season as an statesman and so this is really going to be the first opportunity for them to really look each other in the is communicate directly and they're actually possibly going to meet both sides have said they plan on holding a very short one on one meeting Outside of this Normandy four our structure that includes Zielinski and Putin but also the German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President Emmanuel Macron and. So you know it's going to be very interesting to see how to interact with each other and we might see a little bit of that as they arrive and leave and we're we're unclear at this point whether or not there will be a joint press conference. I don't really see that happening. But it's possible that each could have their own so we'll see what they have to say about each other And and it will be interesting to see if there is any any tangible progress or agreement. That comes out of this as I said before. Just the meeting along is considered sittard a small victory in this conflict which has been stalemated for several years. Now indeed I mean. There is a slim hope of anything being really done at this this meeting but if you are stuck in eastern Ukraine in fourteen thousand people have now died since this conflict began. Moscow is still denying denying being actually actively positively involved in the conflict. What progress can be made if any at this meeting while the two who sides are really hoping to make more progress on the withdrawal of troops from the front line and that is essentially to try to stop the shooting? The intensity of the conflict has waned since Agreements known as the Minsk accords were signed in February two thousand fifteen that that really stopped heavy artillery from being used on a daily basis but the fighting has continued since then and there are two or three Ukrainian soldiers that die every week. There are civilian a civilian casualties on a weekly basis and life is still hell for people who are living at or very near the front front line and so one of the tangible things that could come out of. This is an agreement to possibly withdraw troops from more than just these three points already agreed breed and You know four four people at the front line right now. That's that's really what they're hoping for is just for the shooting to stop and for them to be able oh to to live some semblance of normal life while politicians continue to to try to settle the or find a solution to the political to a political settlement. Christopher Miller thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle twenty four still to come on. Today's globalist we look ahead to the final week of campaigning. Before the pressure action. Because this is fun I could see everybody on the Labor frontbench is campaigning remain apart from mystical. Who's WHO's neutral? What he will do is walk walkout of a relationship with you you into a relationship with nobody? That was the aftermath of the debate between the Labour leader. Jeremy Corbyn and and Boris Johnson. The man who is prime minister and would like to stay that way. You're listening to the globalist. UBS has over nine hundred investment analysts from over one hundred different countries over nine hundred of the sharpest moins and freshest thinkers in the world of finance today find out how we can help you contact us at UBS DOT com. We're now four days until the United Kingdom goes to vote in the second general election in two years. Can you hear the fatigue in my voice. The opinion polls which ought to be taken with very generous pinch of salt suggest. The Conservative Party led by. Boris Johnson stands to be elected. Well one of those sprinkling salt. Is Vince Samakuva his. UK's correspondent fear news following every twist and turn. And if I sound fatigued Vincent you must be exhausted. It's been a long campaign going around the country. I mean this campaign started in August. It's been quite strange for UK election which normally short five week one but this effectively began in August. And it's yeah are. There is definitely a sense of weariness around the country and we all three days before he goes to the elections on Thursday and just looking at the headlines this this morning and the and the headlines over the weekend it seems to be still such a messy scene. There's no one great winner. I mean many suggestion that the Conservatives services are ahead in the opinion polls but the unpredictability of this I think is perhaps what is confusing and exhausting so many people. Yeah it is and I think that's going to be some really interesting factors in play coming up so one thing which any partial tally. The big thing is the weather so looking ahead of the weather here in London Thursday. It's wet all all day but it isn't that cold. The cold is the thing that many parties were worried about because who are the most reliable bank voters anywhere in the world the elderly and the colder it is and the more difficult it is for them to vote the more the less likely arts turn out one caveat on that is that they normally they have their own vehicles so they can drive themselves to the polls young people as well often deterred by whether and if it's very wet and they've got to get public transport they might not bother and I think something that I'm noticing around the country is. I think we might have a slightly lower turnout and there is a sense of fatigue and inevitability creeping in about Boris Johnson. Getting a majority. Ah I mean you said it's going to be hold. I've taken the liberty of looking up the weather forecast while you were saying that I mean if you're in hull which is in the northeast of England. It's going to be raining and four all day. I mean that's that's it's an indoor play day for me. As far as I can gather could be worse. I mean thinking about recent winters you dave. We could be a lot worse but yeah it. It isn't it isn't going to be pleasant and I think that's going to have a really interesting impacts on the get out the vote campaign get out the vote but also who is likely to. which way is that lately says suspending voices if you're going to get The weather actually having an impact on on the way that people whether people go out and who they decide to vote for it it definitely is a test of how well the policies ground games are running running because when you work in these parties a big thing they do is when they going door to door they own just asking you how you're voting. They're often asking how you get into the polls and they will do community bus round so if they go down the street and they find that Ethel number sixty five and Tommy number sixty four want to go and vote. But they don't don't have their own vehicle transport they will sort out within the local association that the bus will go down that street to certain time pick up all those people take them to the polls and drop them back. So it's an interesting thing is a massive logistical operation to get people out. That's the logistical side. Let's turn onto the political side. What is the state of play with three days to go? So the Tories have they firm and solid ten point lead in the national polls which would give them a majority between forty to fifty seats if they are to be believed. That is the largest since is Margaret Thatcher in one thousand nine hundred seven one caveat to that is the first election referendum this election debate on a couple of weeks ago Borsch Johnson won by fifty fifty one percent to forty nine percent on Fridays. Pretty Dire Debate those down in maidstone. The Paula came out of that said the Washington won by fifty two percent and Jeremy Corbyn won by forty eight percent. This is a country which is split right down the middle as with the same figures for the brexit referendum. The problem is that U K calculation relation of seats is so difficult because of our first-past-the-post-system every seat has different dynamics working in it. Now the problem for the Tories is that they might worry that their vote is complacent and they might not turn out and deliver that majority that they're being predicted by intention because people think well it sorted and there is still the room for major gas. Now Boris Johnson is as we speak in grimsby at a fish market. He is doing tour of the so-called red wool so he is hitting labor. ABC's in the Midlands in Yorkshire in the Northeast in North Wales and the north west of the next three days in an absolute blitz. Because he thinks now because because the brexit party stepped down which I think is the defining moment of this general election in the three hundred and seventeen seats to theresa may one in two thousand seventeen. They are now taking most of those as banked and they're taking the fight out to labor even in Scotland where look like at the beginning of the election the SNP could take almost all the seats but one one they are now looking at holding on at about eight supports Johnson citing signs. Take the fights to the Labor Party and Jeremy Corbyn on the other side is going to be doing a campaign like the last one where he's trying to have big rallies all up and down the country but really. I mean Jeremy Corbyn has not broken through in this general election and the people. I'm speaking to the past couple of weeks. Weeks Germany Corbin's brand was was kind of very is kind of selective taste in twenty seventeen. It didn't win the sensor Eh but it pulled in people from around the left who previously haven't voted Labour because it wasn't left enough for them and then he got Jerry Evans brand in the past two years has been severely. I mean this issue of antisemitism has not gone away his handling of it. This election has been poor even last week. You know when he was on this morning With Julianne with Juliette. TV TV. He just he's not he's getting angry about it. And that's not helping and the public obsolete confused and baffled by his brexit position the accusations that emerged over the weekend that the the way that the media has actually handcuffed handled this campaign has not been ideal given the fact that before the election. Everybody said that party politics no longer really work in the way that they used to that. Everybody somebody who's now not Labour or conservative Liberal Democrat but they were remain or leave but the way that the election coverage has been played out has reverted to the type and you get the other party such as Liberal Democrats the Greens and Indeed Brexit party being marginalized although some might suggest that the Brexit potties and a very nice the amount of coverage this this season. What would you say to that? I mean. It's very tricky. I mean the media navel-gazing at itself Alpha's how is covering the election. The problem is that in twenty ten because we haven't ever had TV debates for in this country and they've been talked about for decades. The three remained broadcast this guy that we've seen ICN worked solidly together in Lockstep to secure the debates and it was. You can't sign up for one you have to sign up for all three and that is where Nick Clegg. The Liberal Democrat got his big break in in terms of publicity but didn't translate into any more seats in fact lost two seats because of the way our system system works now in every election since then the cool after that was that there should be some kind of independent authority like the electoral commission which determines the structure Russia and the setting and the dates of each of those debates. That hasn't worked. It's basically now being the parties have played the broadcasters off each other and I think they in this election action you know it's really descended chaos. Sky Didn't even get a debates and very quietly backed away from it is TV and the BBC's got their first ever to lead head to head debate. Who will be the prime minister? And then there's been a bit of a smorgasbord of other debates and it. has you know an and politicians say that it takes. It's the kind of the prep work for it. It can take the steam out of the campaigning and it's not a traditional campaign the alternative that is actually more people. Get to see what you're about. And if you're just popping about each constituency constituency but the real question is you know apart from the normal media which you know kind of will sort itself out and there'll be lots of picking out the thing that is still going under the radar is the social media side. We do not you do. There hasn't used in past elections in two thousand fifteen seventeen you'd get an op note. That said our our new Election Billboard will be unveiled. Come and see on a bus and you'd get a random member cabinet standing in front of it pulling a curtain them but that isn't happening anymore and so on on the dry hair. I saw the first few billboards on electronic billboards from the conservatives who gonNA spend basically big in this final week absolutely blitz. And every time I went on youtube the weekend the pre roll advert was one from the Conservatives. The danger in this election and this kind of new age is we. Don't get to see anymore anymore. What everyone else does you? And I are being targeted by different adverts to what the conservative done. And it's very much the vote leave playbook the campaign campaign two thousand sixteen that Dominic Cummings masterminded is they have in the in the in the long campaign tested out different adds to see what get the most reaction and then in the final few days whatever has done and best of the thousands that they were putting out of different variations of adverts mycotoxin whatever's done best then becomes the big national. One of the next three days are going to be the moment when we see how the campaigns are really pushed then yeah it will be. It will be the kind of headline messages from Boston so I think just WanNa pick out what he said yesterday. Today on on Sky News into this is this could be a line from two thousand sixteen and this is the vote leave playbook he was saying we want to bed down in migration particularly unskilled work is You've seen a large number of people coming from the whole of the EU. Five hundred eighty million population trying to dredge up scary figure of all these people could suddenly rock up at David Tomorrow and saying in this line I was really struck. Me As pretty Pretty appalling really is that too long. y-y-you migrants have treated the UK. As their own country Vincent mckinney. Thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle. Twenty four in a moment. Today's globalist we hear from the composer. Yann tillerson talks about his latest work and we go through. Monday's newspapers too. But I for the time seven thirty two here in London a quick summary of some of the other world news headlines Several people are feared that following volcano eruption in New Zealand tourists seen walking inside the rim of the white island crater just moments before hand while Thailand. Then there's one of New Zealand's most active volcanoes associate for your oldest to become the world's youngest Prime Minister San Marin his transport minister will had coalition the five parties all led by women. She was picked. Following the resignation of the previous Prime Minister. Antigua and Russia could be banned from major sporting events for up to four years years later over claims it interfered with laboratory data on doping the World Anti Doping Agency will meet to decide whether Russian sports men and women should be barred from competing being in next year's Olympics in Tokyo the Beijing Winter Olympics in twenty twenty two on the football World Cup in Qatar in twenty twenty two this is a globalist. Stay June and became a household name when his soundtrack to emily touched audiences dances around the world. But as he's told Monaco's Augustine Match Laurie. It's hardly representative of what his about. His new album called portrait sees him. Revisit is it songs from his back catalogue with new range of collaborators. And it's entirely recorded on analog Yan explained to Augustine how the album came about am somewhat analog has to offer that digital doesn't thing to know any plus my face dignity looks everything is The records start when we We are seeing the last tour after my album all was out. We were Foreign Stage Eleven year cups and stops in Emily my wife and me and he really kind of stripped down versions and radiator early. I had the feeling like we went straight to to the point to reach candy essence of the of the songs and that would be like so good to to recall that And we were rehearsing in my studio which is all also avenue and then I thought okay. Let's just book a period in next summer where we can like recalled. And let's do it back because we can recall lots of notes of life and I got those machine that is the is it. It's kind of. It's not the first album that because you built the studio which is an analog recording studio. Joe Yeah but it's like yeah with vintage gears and and I got those beautiful default machine so I can go back to analog if you want to and I want to because sicher there is the sound you know. I think it's it's not a matter to be better or not that it's just like analog stay in the real world because even if you get like a high definition samples or I definition pixels if for photography it's still like numbers Zero and and and one and its individual world. It's not the same. I don't know there is something organic in. It's it's good to stay in the reality. I liked the process the way you work when you stand and look as well because you have to choose everything because everything matters and that creates maybe more tension but in a good way and you involve in every every single state of the of the regarding of the mixing of everything and you have to choose and their thing. This Knicks Knicks. Good records in the face of this kind of infinite options of digital confines doolittle more successful sort of creative endeavors often and I mean. Is that something that you've found our swear music writing. I think mutation is always something good We've Garris like it's something something else but we were talking about like since like you know we used to. I did the vocals and we were thinking. Oh how did they do in the best and the answer was just like you know for the most noises kind of set. Now you just skip them and you take your vehicle. Caesar's there's an and the answer is like the singer just like we're trying not to have mouth noises and sing better. which is yeah yeah okay? That's the analog way to solve the problem which is the best way for sure Off In the studio for sure change because the acoustic is of the studios magical. It's a bit by chance because we did it with the architect but We were thinking okay. Later we change the acoustic with treatment and everything but we it was perfect already. Like really like reverberate deepened too much and it's an old disco so it's it's Full of good vibrations and the island. The I don't know how it affects the the music but I know that like for instance neck. We've collaboration Stephen Coming in the studio to play guitars. Ars like the the good thing about this. Is that when you invite people I if you stay you need to have them in those to do and in den coming on the island is already something and you have like graph for Stephen were there and then you you share something something thing else that recording. Because then you're leaving altogether kind of like for one two days or whatever and so it's it's an experience and it's like a good and Any change Is Changing the music. That was talking to Monaco's Augusta match. Larry if you'd like to hear more of that talk check out yesterday's editions the monocle weekly at Monaco dot com slash radio. Or wherever you get your podcasts intestines portrait is out now. Let's have a look at today's newspaper. Joining me. In the studio is a journalist Broadcast Juliette foster welcome bacteria. Ain't you very my mom. Let's begin with something which actually hasn't made it onto paper yet but is getting widespread coverage that is the eruption of a volcano in New Zealand. Yeah that's why I'm taking the details of this from news services in fact courtesy of my trustee phone but basically what has happened is that There's you've had this This irruption out the white island crater. What's very disturbing so fault? One person has been reported dead. Twenty seven bizarre on accounted for so this was a a tourist area with disruption occurred and It's actually quite terrifying because why is known as what were Cari and it's one of new. Ez most active volcanoes and yes rescue attempts are being mounted. But it's very difficult because given the size of this explosion you've got clouds of ash and smoked goodness knows what else so imagine how difficult it is trying to cut through that to actually track people down so it's actually very very scary as I said one person has been killed. She killed so far but the theories is that that death toll could rise because apparently minutes before it exploded. You have people tourists who are wandering around the crater greater I think there was something like fifty people on the island so they tried to control the numbers who were there again. Reports that earlier in the month Geological she logical surveys had pointed toward some activity but the question is. You don't know what's going to happen yes it's it's not really a precise science when you start volcano okay and you can tell if if it if it's going to be fairly at two terms of when it's likely to explode the time the hour of the day etcetera It's not that precise turn. This is an ongoing operation just into art in the Prime Minister of New Zealand is also on her way. And it's been holding press conferences to brief her countrymen and indeed the world as to what is going on because taurus unlikely to be involved in this there are reports that you had a cruise line which was not doctrinaire Bhai so the warriors that some of those missing could have been People on that boat it came off to actually explore the crater but certainly the Australian government has expressed his concern that some of its own nationals may be involved in this as well so a story. I'm sure you guys will the following in keeping an eye on okay. Let's move onto the New York Times Soak it in New York Times. It gives you a different view on everything. It's wonderful take take on Donald Trump and his loyalty to Saudi Arabia. Yes the starting point is a dreadful gun incident involving thing the naval base in Pensacola. What happened was that you had an air force officer Saudi Air Force officer who killed three of his classmates and wounded eight other? People in the thrust of this article is that it really exposes the relationship between the trump administration and the Saudi Arabians. Because what happened. and was that as they said hours after the shooting. Mr Trump took to twitter to say that he'd received a condolence call from King Salman of Saudi Arabia. But when you look at the chronology of this for example the next state leaving the White House for trip to Fort Lauderdale for Republican funded fundraiser. Mr Trump told reporters that quote. They are devastated in Saudi Arabia. But then as they go on to point out what was missing was any assurance at the Saudis would aid in the investigation. This is important because we need to know what motivated the individual at the central this to do what he did was he. Radicalized have any connections with terrorist outfits like Islamic Islamic state or indeed Al Qaeda number that is most but also as well Mr trump step back from describing this as a terrorist incident. I think that in the evolution of this story I think that the F. B. I. will certainly the intelligence agencies. I do believe but please correct me if I'm wrong that they have achieved identified it as a terrorist incident but he's he's basically held back from doing this. What this article is basically saying? Is that look in in some respects. He's kind of bound by his own perception of Saudi Arabia because he sees Saudi Arabia's very important bulwark against Iranian influence in the Middle East area. There is also an ethical strand to this. Because you've got Saudi military personnel. Who being trained in the United States? They in turn are involved in operations in Yemen and the real concerns about how the Saudis awaiting not campaign their complaints about human rights violations. Also some of the hardware that's used in the campaign the casualties it's causing on the ground. And the fact that America is implicated located in this because of its support the Saudis not just diplomatically but also in terms of giving them the the the the means to train to be effective active on the ground so to speak. I use that expression very very guarded. These are some serious questions for Mr Trump to answer. Careless move onto the Financial Times front page and alarming wing story about The Chinese authorities It ordering the removal of foreign. PC's and software. So if you you are in a in a Chinese government office and you have a product by HP Dell Microsoft you have to take it out absolutely but you do have to ask yourself who is going to it be more worried. The users of this technology all the companies which supply them and in some respects. This is an extension of tit-for-tat trade war that we've had between China and and the United States because there has been economic data which came out. Today will certainly in the early hours of the morning which appear to suggest that China was hurting in the trade war because the number of Chinese exports to the United States is is falling. Don't forget as well that turned. The American government has issued before technology. And they've actually tried to to to try to pressure there. There is especially in Europe not to use technology so what the Chinese are doing is that they're that they're going for the doctrine if you like of self sufficiency agency according to this article. What they're doing is that they've ordered government offices and bodies to remove foreign computer equipment and software within three years is and you've got the the article is actually quoted Amina's China securities this is broker it estimates at twenty to thirty million pieces of hard? We will need to be swapped town. As a result of this directive and the substitutions will take place at a pace of thirty percent in two thousand twenty fifty percent twenty twenty one and twenty percent the year off the policies nicknamed three five two. That gives you an idea of the timeline. But the thing about it is that it's not really a sort of thing but you can just be dismissive off because the Chinese have the capability to do this and again the irony of ironies is that Donald Trump has said look. I've had to implement this trade with the Chinese to protect American industries. But of course is not going against that. If you've got something big players in technology who would likely to be hit by this and let's not forget as well that the likes of Apple. If they lose sales in Europe they tried to atone for this elsewhere in China. So it'll be interesting to see how that plays out Juliette Foster. Thank you very much for joining us on on the program you're listening to the globalist on medical twenty-four. UPS is a global financial services. The system with over one hundred fifty years of heritage built on the unique dedication of all people we bring fresh thinking on perspective to our walk walk. We know that it takes a marriage of intelligence and heart to create lasting value for all clients. It's about having the right ideas of of course but also about one of the most accomplished systems and unrivaled network of global experts. That's why at. UBS as we pride ourselves on thinking smarter to make a real difference to named the bulletin with UBS every week for the latest insights and opinions opinions from UBS all around the world time to talk tech check business now with Monaco's technology correspondent David Phelan. Welcome back to the Studio Davis. Thank you lots of travel regarding with With with the likes of apple in and What our previous guest foster was talking about in terms of its involvement in China but It's starting new service. Isn't it now with APPS and games being the the fact that yes. They've been around for a long time but suddenly realized that the future is going to be services based rather than hardware glad baseball not exclusively obviously hardware T- to use them on but the the days of the iphone being the exclusive cash cow to the company are Rove and each year. They announce what they're our best apps and games of the year but last week this year for the first time they took possession. Session of a huge lavish TRIBECA multi-storey apartment where dozens of developers took up residence and demonstrated demonstrated that APPS and they had a big party to celebrate the APPS and Games of the year and it was an interesting change. The focus now is very much on how they can get you using your gadgets. They wouldn't say For longer time but for More time in a in a more qualitative way and the new things is it actually. It's funny that we already see apple carry other people's APPs and games and now rick so it will require a little bit of a shift on our part in terms of what we identify apple as in terms of affirm short but the companies that it's getting involved in that will make try and make that happen are who they working with working with all the major companies and some surprising ones. The one with the APPs of the year was flow by Mo skin who obviously is very much an analog analog brand but But they have come up with Something that is a beautiful drawing and painting. Game that is very delicate very feature-packed and I even have my portrait done twice. I have to say is well two different artistes Manila. I didn't like it and I wasn't. That might about the second one but th they they showed the capabilities of the APP. For sure What are the capabilities is looking at the the the the dissatisfaction you express David with it with the with the thing to do is the quality of the artistry of the Colo qualitatively the artist? Well the APP or the I'm going. I think I'm going to be showing this late. Yes you are his his number one very quick right. Oh Oh yes. It's sort of fun and that's number two. which is sort of like an android version of me if I if I was a robot little cool there aren't new skin? Yes it might be but I I do younger so there is that going. You have much more slender neck in real life really much more than that. You've correct book saying that one right okay. Fine so the technology's great we've just got to learn a little bit more about it and now one thing that I always smile. What what Riley about is augmented reality? Glasses I always think that someone's tease me for embracing them. But but apparently I'm all right with this. No you're you're quite right to be all right with augmented reality where What we see is overlaid with an image from the Internet Google glasses a famous example. Flip this didn't do well and indeed after one final software update is not going to have g mail and other things on it from next year. Not many people have them anymore but Still it's a sign that it's not working and Magic leap. It is a company that had its own a headset for granted reality and magic leap. One aim to sell a million then they said all right we'll sell one hundred thousand one Reporting the information said that they've only sold six thousand while the company's disputed out and they aren't making the next strong but it means that it's not a great environment for apple to be launching as his rumors and more than room Its own augmented reality. Glasses losses next year. Why is it that we just don't go for this particular kind of product? I think it's just confusing thing. I'm wearing glasses at the moment. And I I'm enjoying looking at the real world and although I recognized that it is useful to be able to get extra information I can get it on my watch on my phone or my tablets indeed but To have it around you distracting you all the time from The real world I think can be confused. I have enough trouble making sense of what's going on right in front of my nose less than so and trying to help me. Finally Smart Mapping. I mean most of the time that we find ourselves walking around the streets on notice are buried in offense trying to work out where we yeah looking at street signs this is. This is a huge world for apple and for everybody else isn't it. Yeah well there are lots of new developments Most recently on the watch the latest Apple Watch has a compass built in so that you can wait th the. It's the last hundred yards. That always Fox. Should I be turning left or right in the street to get to this restaurant. There are apps now on the watch like yelp which show little compass say no go left before and now Google maps has got a street lighting feature chest so that you can see if you're going around late at night you only want to go and brightly lit streets in city not not backstreets. This will guide you with a bright yellow line to show you. That's in Beatriz. No auto yet David feeding. Thank you very much indeed for joining us on monocle. Twenty four you with the globalist. Finally a little little corner of London transformed into Christmas wonder this weekend as we held the annual Monaco. Christmas market here at Midori House. One of the traditions has been a festive petting zoo due to reindeer and absolute beauties at that set themselves up next to the monocle. Twenty four broadcasting cut this weekend one of the reindeer's handlers James from Jay Z potty. Auty pets escaped the pen to come and tell me more. I very very early star especially when we're coming into central London How five this morning? I'm sorry fairly early. Still Dark Yeah started booking finish working welcome to winter welcoming now where we will turn up. We will together out to the reindeer. Get them get the trailer ready to make. Sure it's nice and clean. Now go onto the trailer saw arrive for them. They'll they'll lay down mostly travel. I I like busta drive London arriving here around about ten this morning and then they come out like I mean does the idea the idea of prepping for arrange for a day as a reindeer or when you're a reindeer prepping for a day on show where why are these reindeer sleeping at the time when again find them layouts and asked him fails yes out in the fields and they live on forex land on our lovely farming Chumsford initially said that must be quite fun. I'm trying to find them at five hundred club. During the season drew winton play all corralled in a slightly smaller paddock early rises. So they will wake up around about a father clock in the morning. Okay fine so you're not having to wait them up with a couple of tears going no cups tonight so you load up Products are in Dasha in May come mm-hmm and then they just literally become the star of the show then absolutely everyone loves Brian. Rooney amount of people on meet the COMTE believed that are actually real. So many People Ping reindeers are a mythical creature. Goodness me goodness we've also quite love UNICORNS last year years. Oh but reindeer these. They do new Mexico characteristic about what what is the general characteristic of a reindeer Jimmy quite laid-back animals and they can have moments the things you watch out for all the all the endless that grow from the Hague because they will occasionally lunch on use those especially this time of the year when the undesired shedding. I should've Ofek in preparation for the House as the drop off so anything. That is a potential scratching diced. They will draw new sits. It's an eight chain. Business is your velvet itchy shedding. UNLV author analysts. It's not there are still very pretty is it. Based he's not very very natural and you you you can try and talk to them out by trying to do that as a very pleasant experience for the reindeer because you altron hold them down and sort of try and clean them so if we leave it is not possible fan. We can educate them about so. You'll helping people to educate people the reindeer so if you Let five years old and I've disrupt at the reindeer. What are you gonNa tell me about the rain de t to educate me what I'm going to transfer and Basha? Of course I'm GonNa ask you a question. I'm going to ask you who you think. They belong to the Christmas Clinton. Of course thank you say. And that's the correct answer there is and I tell them all of the magical information they want to the most common question. How can they single especially from children? He's ways Rudo Christmas right back with Father Christmas Novo looking off the music schools in the elves. Absolutely what does he do around the house. Well he's factory can around like you show the means cosby and might properly insurance shelves checking the letters making sure the Lisa correct correct also see what are the catering hygiene requirements for reindeer. Making men's pays very different than the North Pole. Why just by my own rules really get health and Safety Guy Around Essex County Council health and safety expect inspectors having up to lapland heading heading up to that line? Maybe who knows cook way. You're absolutely top diet. What do they love for lunch? Very good question. So Lichen Moss natural food that I would be in Scandinavia and the North Pole where they come from a place in the world where it grows always and I are the only animals in the world that can that talk of me. That's really rainy. Hard to get out of the house. So how do you keep these beautiful creatures in in accustomed to the lovely diet that they use so the Larkin. Most we imported from Scandinavia estroyed inbox and that comes across to US soaked in water. I'm not as thin the space food. Isn't it every hunter. Let's say later like most doesn't arrive in delivery is is. Is there anything that they can be substituted a reindeer pellet right now. He's made by a company in Scandinavia cannot give them all of the nutrients that they would require. I almost got the home market tied up on this one haven't learned. That was James from Jhansi. Party pets in charge of the reindeer at this weekend's Monaco Christmas Christmas market. If you came along I hope you had as much fun as we altered. That's all we have time for today's program however many thanks produces augustine match. Laura and Daniel are such a nick. Tim and our studio manager. Kenya scarlet with editing assistance. From Sean Hickey. 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Timbers break the bank on Liga MX star! Winners and losers from MLS Wk 10

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Timbers break the bank on Liga MX star! Winners and losers from MLS Wk 10

"You're listening to extra time riven by continental. Oh my goodness. I mean, what are we doing here? His foot. It's great that everyone can give their union. Absolutely ridiculous. Five me five me. I don't care more to drain my Bank account. Everybody up here. Every single day goes into the office into the laboratory, try to cook them, some great stuff you guys. That's why he's here from New York. New york. You are listening to extra-time driven by continental from the AT and T MLS studios in midtown Manhattan. I am Andrew we be with my partners. And soccer, Charlie. Davies is here. We're nice blush sweater here. Charlie this is soft. I thank you. Bobby borsch here. I won't touch you Dave. Yeah. Please thanks for on my left. Dave smell is. Mattdoyle. Wow. We're good mood today. We've had a little bit of a rip roaring debate going on before this about any number of things are on the show multiple haters on this panel right now. I don't know. I call it a panel. Yeah. I don't know either Doyle's not among them. No, Doyle's doll doesn't troll. Right. Correct. He's pulling his Bobby news. All right. Look, we're gonna talk about him last week ten. That's what we do on. Mondays. We talk soccer. And let's just get going winner for the weekend. That was Charlie. What do you go who won? There were some great winners. I'm going to have to go with Barca Zito Barco for the United one goal. One assist. When like point point three assists on the shot that was pushed back into Joseph Martinez path. But when you look at how he played last year and his influence last year and going through some tough times in the locker room last year. Now this year he comes in as a substitute on April thirteenth against the revs in the first half due to injury to Romy scores. Two goals. And then you start seeing them play more ninety minutes, eighty three minutes ninety minutes. And now he looks like he's he's the player that they were hoping to get he looks fit. I think last year if you wash them play he struggled to get around the pitch. He struggled to to have an identity on the field. Now this year looks comfortable. He looks like the guys look like they can trust them. They believe in him. And it's it's always great to see when a player has success. It's not just Barker that. The winner here. It's a land United three oh in Kansas City. What fifteen sixteen players available for Peter for Mason. This one missing a bunch of starters. He says we just got highly your it out. All the case chime pick you up for the weekend. No, her Tato. Todd gets injured is the first call. Yeah. I mean, I think there's a couple of teams that can can use. How many minutes you got in your? Yeah. I probably got if a team called me was like I need you to play this weekend. And I need honest assessment of how long have you give me I think I would tell them. I could give you a solid fifteen minutes. Fifteen. Yeah. But if they play the ball only directly to your feet, can you get maybe you don't have to run ever. Just get into the box. Channel runs. See that. Then we're pushing. If you if you need me to get into the channels, we're talking ten minutes. Barca's good though, he's making recovery. Runs late in the game to cut off sporting Kansas City players. He's really the only player last night where I thought. Wow, he's direct. He has an idea and the final third which has big his going to go. But we've talked about a lot that's been his biggest problem is just okay. Maybe one of few. He's never been goal dangerous. He's never been aggressive. It's always been I'll beat a guy or two, but I'm just connecting play which is Nagy does. And what remained? He does. Sometimes Lorenzo it says. And now you see like just taking the shot for Joseph skull was like a victory. Yeah. And then I think his confidence has grown based upon having that strong performance in New England. And yet, I think one or two games in Seattle. Well, so it's been sporadic. But it's it's the sporadic part is happening a little more with a little more regularity. He was really good Lee. He he he looked the part. I still have some questions about what his best position is does he pass well enough to be a playmaker because he still not a chance creator in that sense. He does the Nagy thing. Right. He'll he'll beat two guys. And it'll have the defense backpedaling than rather than, you know, the the killer-pass just kind of lays it off and that creates shots, but it doesn't create the types of chances that you wanna see from fifteen million dollar player, but he's got a cannon and he's got breakaway speed. And he's putting those two things together. And you could see why he got called in for the Argentine you twenties. It's going to be of real use for the Argentine adieu twenty the road Cup. He's gone. You left this morning Monday. Yeah. So my question is is if you could have chosen as Frank de Boer for Zeke, you'll Barco to have that match or for pity Martinez to have that match. What would you have chosen? I get that. They're happy. It's a fifty million dollar player that they brought in last year. And now he's starting to come good for goals. One assist. So far still on board for the twenty goals, assists, Parenti that I made. But I mean, I think you would've taken it from pity because still another game without the box score production from pity and an early exit. I think you would've swapped them take the result. I mean at some point put he's got to have a coming out moment. Yeah. But the way the season's gone. They'll take anything right now. Whatever comes. Yeah. I mean, if a player on your team plays, well, and you win for Lanny United way twenty nineteen has gone. That's one three or four. The question is how real is that because New England, Colorado and sporting Kansas City team who are just terrible right now. I I understand winning. It sporting Casey's is always nice in its way. This team is winless and seven they've given up twenty four goals in there. Last seven games. You can only beat the teams in front of you. And they've mostly done that. But in even the stretch, the only really good team. They flayed is up see Dallas and they did not with the game. So like things are better than they were a month ago for land United. Salt. That's all part of the process is right is catching teams at the right time. When teams are missing players due to injury or suspension and your team's fully fit or you're playing a team. That's not so great. But you guys you have injuries and your team can still cope because you're playing a bad team or a team that's low on confidence. So throughout these victories. It's only going to help strengthen this locker and get guys inform. So you you might not think these these victories are important, but any win is good for locker room because winning solves a lot of problems. What about the possession play? We talked about this game being teams that wanted to do similar things. They're still a sort of are you are you not? But in our Atlanta Baden are the results coming because of this system shift by Frank bore or in spite of you know, they got three goals. But it wasn't always. Yeah, wasn't always. It wasn't always like the high volume chance creation the big chance creation that we've been accustomed to sing. I think what what I saw in particular is in the second half. There was a play where? Atlanta could've broke out and they're on a counterattack. But instead of pushing Martinez came back just Martinez came back took a touch and played backwards. It was like calm down. Let's keep the possession. And I thought, wow, that's quite different from last year where soon as that break happens. Joe Joseph Martinez in the back back shoulder of the centerback, and he's looking to get behind or he's already an offside position. Because he knows L Maroons is going to break through the wing. And then by the time he crosses it. He'll be on side. So for me to see Joseph Martinez. Take that step and say, you know, what this is the time where divorce wants us to keep the ball wants us to keep possession. Let's slow to slow down the game. Let's dictate the tempo. I thought that was a huge step forward for the team in kind of figuring out the identity of of Elaine. I going for that we want to change the way we play with results come belief a big win for Atlanta three nothing for them in this one other winners anybody out there. I'll say Jim curtain. Part and parcel of what the union did this week. And granted they had an easy schedule this week. They had two home games that they should have won. It did come after a road game last weekend all the way in Vancouver. So you could've had dead legs. Then you add injuries on top of that. They're doing this without Marco Fabio, and they only got Sergio Santos back for the second half. In the New England game. Brennan Aaronson goes off injured. Mark McKenzie's been missing basically all year through loss of form. And then, you know, an appendectomy yet to play his backup left back for the first game this week the two nil against SCC insanity. You know, he had to mix and match at right back and Biza gave him good ninety minutes on and on and on and on. They've just adapt adopted this next man up philosophy for the Philadelphia union. It's not just having a better roster. It's having a a deeper bag of tricks in terms of how they play. And you see in term like they wanna be more of a pressing team this year, not just possession. They are more for pressing team. The create goals off of that. However, they've all also shown against Montreal when they need to still be a possession team that knocks the ball around and pulls a part of bunker. They can do that as well. And then okay, we're going to be a four four two diamond team while they were in the first thirty five minutes against the revolution. But they've also played a four to three one. They've also played a four three. And then the last about our against the revs, we know senior came on. They went to a flat midfield for to stretch the revs out because the revs had actually been playing pretty good for the first half hour so curtain every year for the last five years, we've come into you know, we tend to do this off the air. It's like, okay who which coaches are on the hottest seat and like every year for less five years. Jim Kerr has been like one two or three on this list. And they started off out to in one this year. Really man, there's going to be at for Jim. And they've been. One of the two or three best teams in the league since then despite missing so many games to injuries suspensions on down the list, the top of the east twenty points. I hope that Jim Carney has has us at the top of his deal or podcasts straight show. He's getting the love from you. If I could get that emotional booths every once a week. Shoutouts whereas shadow Susanna gave him the love on Thursday. Doyle on Sunday. We got the mail on this. What up Jim anonymous, please give us your names that makes it a lot better here the union or fun to watch all caps. I've been waiting my whole life eleven that about three minutes after they went a fun. We're we're a lot of fun last year. I think in some ways we're more fun last year. Just because they were that flowing possession style come hell or high water. I mean, they scored eight goals in two games. That's all that's been players have scored goals dividend com has four casper should bilko has three senior has to burqas done with the Santos has to has to has to Monteiro has one Elliott has one which by the way was like eight or crouch esque bang foot. Take it down spin knocking home that man is not a centreback PICO Aaronson. I mean, they're they're spreading the wealth. Crouched the great centre forward that we just went with. Well, I mean because. Yeah. He's similar look for sure. Good moment beat across more in that goal, though. He's English up, and it's clicky Clack in brings it, Dan. I just don't Bullock. Yeah. They've they've washed one time in their last nine games. Charlie. You played for Jim Kerr. Yep. He's like he's come a long way. He has come a long way. I think Jim's biggest asset is his ability to be the nicest guy on earth because he literally is such a nice, genuine guy. At sometimes you guys are like I need you to have a little bit more fire and be angry sometimes, and that's just not in gyms DNA. But fortunately, four Jim right now, but Doria and harassment in our two guys in the locker room that can hold everyone accountable. Everybody respects in. They do all the yelling. They are the guys that that yell at guys get guys motivated. And so as a coach it's perfect because he's had this roster for a long time to shape mold have guys in have guys out, and they're all bought into. And this is a group that that is together you when they score goals. You can see these guys all like each other. They all like the direction that this team's going. Yeah. The celebrations were there, by the way, there was also celebration to honor Cory Burke, because he's going to be stuck in Jamaica for three months. It sounds like going to miss the Gold Cup. Gonna miss a stretch around here in the summer with the Philadelphia union busy has visa issues. There are some which is very ambiguous. There are some rumors going around about what those might be. It's a legal issue. I don't personally feel comfortable comedy. When I don't know what it is. But there are a lot of people that you could go read and see what what those rumors are Corey Brooks really good, though, she bilko has. Very well. You saw the after the score this week, and they had the jurors out the draft. That's that's also pretty cool to see what you Bill goes filled in for what he brings not as fast. But when you watch him, he moves, quite oddly, but he seems understand how to pull defenders around and help the rest of his teammates. And he's finished the chances. He's got which is striker coming in new. That's what you wanna see just to get confidence from the rest of your team being like if we work hard for this guy, he will reward us. So there were questions about where the goals we come from. And that's why went and looked and eleven players have scored them like last year. That was the question. You know, the years was the one year than it was down who was going to be the scores. Two goals. They're getting it from Alzheimer's. I still think is a question and they've done a good job of spreading the love. I think in order to be a top team in the conference you need to have. You know, you need to have a guy who steps up and it was like I'm the fifteen goal score. It could be a com-. It could be of all of the names. We're talking about he's the most likely one. And obviously, we'll see you. Games like spring on senior six one every they went out and got Sergio Santos guy. That's why they brought him in. He was one of their not their biggest offseason signing the other couple the Marco fob ins. Well. Yeah. His fair, but like up top, but like his his ability to sort of do a little bit of everything in the final third. I think they're expecting him to be like that fifteen to eighteen gold number nine. We're far on ends up playing a little more recessed in the the pure playmaker role. And we the fact that they're getting we're quarter the way third of the way through the year. And we've barely seen. This team's I eleven play. And here they are topped the east. Congratulations the union. It's going pretty well right now other winners here don't be haters. Don't be hater worse. Dials. Okay. Doyle safe. Good job. Doyle, obviously, Derek Tian with a huge goal to beat the LA galaxy for the New York red bulls at red bull arena in front of Cam. We clearly his favorite player ever now. Because the first game winner he's ever seen. I don't want to jinx anything like that. On have out two more games. Yeah, potentially. I mean, I'm I'm I'm just saying it's like his have him one. Oh, enough got planes landing at Newark. So about every four minutes the little guys extremely engaged. The rest of the time. He just stared at the field and yelled ball ball ball. And so, you know, he's he's picking it up. Really? That's better than a lot of youth. Soccer coaches. I see my nephew play. Unreal. Toils just posted up in the corner. Just send it there's there's no just yell send it I haven't heard that one the long time game. I'm more partial to boot it like Senate has some nuance booted. I feel a little bit more just brute. I fifteen minutes were were back to the rebels of old. They were there pressing doing. Yeah. They didn't have beat WP. They didn't have Kaku, of course for suspension and they had big win. Then they zero pressure up top and Diego polenta is arguably the best passer Major League Soccer as right now that outside of the foot through-ball first goal. Defended by the way, he was just hanging out riding horses for six months because he was like, I think this might be it for me. I'm gonna play soccer anymore. I think I'd rather just ride horses at hey with my family have been Rica though. And just had like the tire swing on Argentina just banging balls from like five yards out outside through what he's erg line thought. He played in Argentina he did. But he's going say policies. He's not allowed to go to Argentina horse go. But yeah. So then damn comes off the bench. And obviously scores the game winner for New York. Red Adams was all about it. You saw he pushed it on social. Yeah. Yeah. Those two are holding the whole the whole little group is is all into it. So that was Brian white. Was in an offside position. Not affecting the play during the goal. That's one way of putting it. I don't know if I think that was I think if enacted the goalkeeper I get that he wasn't directly blocking the line of sight was directly making raw Fletch Fleischer Fletcher Fletcher. So what is it go shell? Just just everyone be quite Rolf fell -ture. I would have earned. We threw us off get that. That's not a convincing win for for me to see rebel and say they're back on. But that's a win that helps that locker room and brings together. Also, huge moment Fernandez came off the bench and looked really good. I agree Hakuna trout. So you need someone to bring some crazy. Yeah. Yet is a trend 'cause he's good. And he also fills he normally comes on for Moyal. And there's a clear difference in how they play the game. Is that a fair way to put it? That's pretty fair. Okay. Congratulations. The roadside in York. Dirk eighteen goal for them. Three to win. Really nice day fun time a rebel arena. I'm gonna go blue side of New York for the winner. Here. We were bagging on them early in the season. It's around doesn't know what he's doing. He doesn't have this thing figured out. He's making too many changes. He's still making some changes that's still happening. But they go to Montreal get a to win they've lost. Just once that's the fewest in these conference. Now, they do have six draws which is the most in Major League Soccer slips away. Wasted opportunities there. But bear looks good. Like, it was easy to doubt that signing. I think because sometimes you know, you look at Tam moves or DP moves this league. And it's like, oh, you know, coming from Croatia or Slovenia or smaller leagues. You don't know how it's gonna work. Sometimes it does. And in this case, it really looks like it's working, so congratulations. I mean city football group have that scouting apparatus that is probably the most robust in the world. And see can take advantage of it with signings like a bear. And if you look at their signings over the last three years, nobody nobody else working was going to be this good. Anton, Tinder home really good player came from Scandinavia. Most players would come from Scandinavia MLS these days fail and a lot of those MoMA players that came with him did not stick, correct. And it goes on down the list. So they're they're like give credit to city football groups scouting apparatus and give credit to aver ended domain because he said, he still make some changes, but not a lot. It's not like it was from August of last year up until you know, basically, April fifteenth of this year. Why do you think that the Swedish skin navien player that comes to molest? Traditionally doesn't do. Well. Well, I think traditionally up until the last couple years they had. I think just MLS is a better faster more physical league than it was, you know, even in twenty fifteen sixteen the the tamra, it leaks changed. They see now has taken ten of the last twelve points three wins and a draw in their last four games. It's not a coincidence. That a bear has started each of those four games, you know, he didn't get on the scoreboard this time. Yeah. He didn't get on the scoreboard this time. But he's still he just affects the game with his movement. If you look at everything that NY CFC do he's out ahead of the play making diagonal runs across the centrebacks to open up space underneath and when you have players like the jury Shruti and maximizes still so good, you know, in even Totta Cassiano has come into his own over the past month as well. When you have players like that, you're gonna score some goals, and that's the story right now, by the way, they would have five straight wins. If not for a ninety deflections and John John redirecting the ball into his own in Minnesota. So look there's been some you wanna call it, bad luck. You wanna call it? You know, moments of losing focus, whatever it might be in. Why CFC's starting to have some some shiny bright points here. It's time for losers. And I'm gonna make a rule you cannot take either the Colorado Rapids because they have yet to win a game. And that remains the same after losing three two at home on Friday to Vancouver Whitecaps the bench after that game winning goal by Andy rose logically made oils face of the week. Jack price getting up sitting back down like raking his hands through his hair was basically a summation of the season so far for the Rapids. He can't take them. And you definitely cannot take the New England Revolution after six one loss to Philly. So I'm gonna make there's twenty four teams a Major League Soccer almost half of them win every week. And you're going to eliminate the two I am you can find somebody get creative here. I'm going to go with Ted uncle referee. Ted uncle he was the target of Kayla Porter's rant after a three one loss for the crew in DC. He had a tough week last week. We know that you might have been paying attention Christian role don's red card rescinded that issue at the end of the game where there's a penalty call, but it's clearly outside the box. And it goes the video review wasn't happy. You could see on the broadcast about that one and killed Puerto was not happy about his goal being taken off the board. This was the opener until it was not basically to summarize what happened here. There's a. Ball in the mid field. Ted uncle comes steaming in which Costa come steam in will trap, come steaming. And they all meet in one spot, which goes down off goes we'll trap he connects past Pederson tos Peterson to- scores. A goal. They go to video review. They say that's a foul. We see contact there. We'll trap on Lucho. It's in the attacking phase of play bring that one back. Here's a Caleb bed to say quote. It's a fair goal. One hundred percent referee gets in the way, referee files a costs, and then the referee goes and looks television to bail himself out. I've never in my life seen anything like that ever continues. The fact that he's looking at VR and trying to himself out there should be massive ramifications for that he'll Puerto also went on to say that basically his team doesn't get any respect. He likes video of you. He thinks it's great. He's a huge proponent of it. He thinks calls are right. But this one is completely botched. All right says we the pool reporter what we figured he would say, which I think watching the replays, you'd expect him to say the trap commits a tripping foul against Costa. It's missed by the referee crew starts attacking phase. And the goal is off. We debated it last night on matchday central. So I'm curious right now, your takes Doyle, and Bob sees me almost called you, Bobby. You're sitting in this chair, actually. Yeah. You call him oil. You know, hey, didn't older actually when you're not here on Thursday. I actually just go by Doyle, that's fine. That's good for your brand. It is good. I was up till three. I'm watching game of thrones. So that's my only excuse. I haven't watched it yet. No, no spoilers. You gotta too. Yeah. Stayed up. I don't know what to think of this play. Because I haven't watched instant replay that exact form all of my opinions about parody. She aiding from these two wonderful experts. See every Monday, it sounds possibly like trolling more. Maybe a little bit of mockery who appreciate so much the hard job that these officials do and how difficult the role sign. That's what we do on Twitter. Every I do I don't I I would say the goal should have stood. I would understand him wanting to go look at it. Because he physically has no idea what happened because it happened on top of him. So from that point of view, I have no problem going to review it, even if the VR tells him, you don't need to Kerry junior. Obviously said there's a clear obvious era. Here you need to go. Take a look at Kevin Terry juniors the video system referee in this game. I thought it was a foul. I didn't think it was clear obvious. So we'll see if you look if you look frame for him. We'll trap catches Lucho Costa in the back. Of his left foot. Now, you then have to parse it apart. Like, okay, he's only kind of following him in that situation because Ted uncles there in which reporters point. Just like like there was a foul you supposed to act like well, the the ref is like by the by the rules by the book. He's he's part of the field. He's a gust of wind. That's that's that's. That one. Win. So I get that. I didn't think it was clear. Not that's the challenge for me right here because I agree with you. That's a that's a foul to me. But I don't know. It's hard for me to understand. How you go back and reverse it when you're just not sure the angles not perfect. You it might be Ted uncle hip check in. But again, you're right. But if he's a part of the field, then Costa has no complaint can't make a complaint, right? Shouldn't be going to VAR like a situation like that. Should not be going VAR in my opinion. The game is supposed to be continuous. And only if there's something like a grievous like a penalty decision a handball a goal. Don't think this. Okay. If you just in the sense well down, and then it's will trap in acres of space x one just going to say do not Bill him each at a made the save. You can't get heat in your post like that. So that was that was brutal. We shouldn't even be having this conversation. I understand like Charlie understand what you're saying. Don't take away from the game to make these decisions, especially when the ref boxed out a player, and it was part of the foul. Like just take it on the on yourself and say, you know, what that's on me. Like this is this is a goal. And it's me my bad. There's been some complications video review. I stand with Caleb. I think it's I think it's really good and the processes still imperfect and that needs to instate him. I think there's work to do because it rebel Riina had no idea what was being looked at or going on at any point planes. I was mostly you're right. You're right. We were pointing at the we now know where the sky is. So that's a really big big learning point. But I think the clear and obvious side is confusing just for people at home or people like us who watch and talk about it. But I think kind of for the referees to there's some sort of gray area where like the intent how it's being. Called and the execution. It's confusing. But one of the things we all everyone complain about. When this started was, well, you can't take the human element out. Boom, you've still got human element there still mistakes and takes long it's still personal it just takes a little longer. And you gotta watch replace while it happens. So everyone complained at the start about how you're going to take away the human element of referee controlling a game deciding game making mistakes, blah, blah, blah. And then you go in maybe not mistakes just making calls through his Lind's as opposed to. I think we all agree on overall. It's helped because there are super obvious agree just mistakes that just get fixed that shouldn't even they shouldn't even have to go to our behind. It should have been like seen by the ref in the first place, but it's going to have to go to like the NFL kind of situation where you're like all right guys everyone in the stadium. We're going to have to look at this play for this. And then the referee goes and does his early Charlie's on the verge of saying something mean? The first time in like the three years that I've known you you like your rights just put it on the don't even need to tell me just put it on the board. Tell me what you reviewing offside. They are testing microphones for referees to do that able to tell you and notify afterwards sort of communication, I think it would be a positive thing. I think it's been good. So far, they're always going to be moments like this where people are upset Kayla. Puerto also did a very good job of distracting us with shiny things in incendiary quotes from the fact that the crew have lost five in a row. So that was also a very well done of public relations by Kayla porter. Well, yes against the world. How is there a fix here? We keep saying they need more. They need more from patriots way scores. A goal gets taken off the board. What about artists I mean, yet the service? Yeah. Right. Right. But that's my point is Gregg Berhalter in his system. Czar was always getting opportunities and service. And then everyone said oh KO going gonna stick with with the system. It's going to be easy smooth transition. And now we're seeing what happens when you don't have Berhalter basically coaching the side to tell them. All right, guys. This is how we have to play. This is how we have to get art as the ball. And because ours is not a player who's gonna just come check in half field. Turn and run at guys score goals. No, he needs to have that service to get in the box. Make those near post runs get at the penalty. Spot get the services that's not happening. Is it as simple as this always going to happen? Because this isn't a new coach of the new group. It's a new coach with the same. So the first month, I think, I think everybody felt like, oh, he's not changing rush. It's it's letting it roll it roll. If you look at it in the past month, month and a half. Now, it's it's changed the the the I'm not sure awful doesn't that? Right. Doesn't that? For sure. If you wanna conceptualize that we've been talking about the red bull off like bad start. Well, no Kemar Lawrence. Not Tyler Adams WP kind of you know, like the personnel plays a big factor in a lot of this and not having those two guys were essentially DP caliber fullbacks, and we're so integral to everything that the crew Dade the last, you know, last year, and then the really less five if you wanna look at how they played, but they're not playing like that at all. Like, we'll trap is not dropping between the centrebacks to split them and hit those long diagonals anymore. They're changing how they're playing from the back. And maybe that is like, okay. We don't have an awful we can't do this. And they're just trying to find a new path forward. But they haven't they are one of the low scoring teams in the league. So far, it looks like that's not gonna change. Just the idea though, that Caleb porter a different coach. They different background different skill sets and different soccer philosophy is going to step in and have the ability at a high level to coach. Someone else's system without them there over the course of year or two seems unrealistic. So you're saying it was always going to change it had to look at the board and Tut them or Tino same thing. Coach comes in essentially the same squad. I mean, you lose Marrone, but you you bring in the rating South American player of the year. And guys are look lost for for the most part of the season until you know, very late, but the same thing and if divorce or Kayla, they their ideas are not the same ideas as coach. So then if they try to do it it's not going to be at the same level as what it was. So now, you're probably worse off in the anyway at some point you have to transition. The problem is it is the group Gregg Berhalter built. So it's built for his system. Correct. Question for Kayla. Porter's? How does he get the best out of them in what he wants to do? Or how does he move pieces around to make fit what he's good at? And what he's able to bring you could also maybe say that Gregg Berhalter left at the back end of the window. Would that be fair with Mira was santarpio's Artur and trapper young? You would've thought Valenzuela and tour an awful excuse me, had a couple more Mensa was coming into his own Athens about to leave. Yeah. It's a transition time for the crew we knew that FC Cincinnati have scored as many goals from the run a play in the last month and a half as this panel. I've been scorned goal. I been banging. Putting them on frame. Yeah. Yeah. The twins the twins are putting it into. I know how much everyone out. There loves this ice scored the greatest goal in my life in card soccer on Monday. I swear like dipping shot from midfield over the goalie's head of court hound. That came after a radio yellow got a yellow car that game for kicking the ball away petulantly and then almost got sent off on Tuesday night for basically starting. I was in the right on Tuesday on Monday, you gotta know how to manage the moment. People don't understand what a psychopath. David Gaza's, San Jose one pick up with Bobby. I'm a miniature compared truly we actually should do like a full video. Let's go in win. Bobby says one goal is bigger words. Trigger words for the press like, Bobby. I'm hung over zoom zoom zoom afraid to get in these type of games come go for an extra day. Get like, I hit my temper with someone coming in with a cheap shot, or you know, it's going to get. So that's the thing is I'm the same though. I don't come in on cheap shots. I get mad at people for being stupid. That's the only word difference big difference as we were saying San Jose one one against Cincinnati than fidelity after the game. He kinda witted quote, wait, wait. Wait. Wait got a contextual. Quote, quote, I there were two sets of quotes that came out of this game. And Alan Kacha had been getting. A little bit of stick for playing ultra defensively in terms of his lineup and tactical choices specifically playing three defensive midfielders, and he played three defensive Michele's from the start in this game and kept three defensive midfielders in there. Even after they were down a goal in up a man like at some point you have to make an attacking sub. And he was asked about that after the game. And he said, let's not get caught up in where you typecast player in terms of playing we all know, an very where we have a lot of defensive midfield players, but we're not going out and playing with everybody is defensive midfielders, obviously, we're moving players around playing them, and it's hack minded positions terror financial today, right? Made by a bear you saw that or not. But into Audie said, this is Cincinnati inquirer. Quote. We just need to have an identity. We don't have an shows the wrong quo there I'm going to get there. We have quality players. Good players enough says Audie, obviously, we're playing a lot of players out of position. This is something we need to identify. Well, it's been identified. Now, we can't play guys out of position expect them to be actually in those positions where they don't play. Yeah. Here's the other part of it. We're new team and a bunch new players, but we changed formation. And you know, it's no good. We just have to have identity, and that's what is missing right now. And that's probably being polite for ATI. He's out there. Well, he says that he's told Alan Koch all of these. I mean, he's being in in the spheres yet in different way. I've always any match in the private sphere things are not going to. Well, can you say also share all of that? With finality was suspended for all for sure. So he wasn't super helpful to the halls. Yeah. Yeah. He wasn't around for that hard to play him in position. Yeah. But we've talked we talked about it on last week. Oh, you guys wearing here. So you guys don't even know. But this was the whole conversation was just identity and like Bobby was chafing at the idea that the roster wasn't good enough to make the playoffs. And honestly when you look at the players on the field and the players on the roster yet, you could get an an MLS playoff appearance out of those players in Major League Soccer in twenty thousand eighteen but I'm with Doyle here shaking his head. I'm not sure about disagree with definitely get better than this. You get definitely wanted all scored one goal in eleven hours on the competitive. They can be competitive with this team playoff teams. Make the point competitive of the east probably means that you're at least yes nipping around. I mean like give fair point with that. But to have quote unquote, eight defensive midfielders on team, and I'm going to put one of them up top and put one of them on the wing. That's not gonna help your team at all. When you have Kenny safe is your striker in. In certain games. How's that helping your team like so as a former player and a guy that has relationships with with players on that team? I can understand the frustration coming out of that out of that franchise because a lot of the players are upset they want to be put in a position to succeed. And you're not going to be put in a position to succeed. If you have defenders or defensive on players in attack it attacking roles because you know, at the end of the day when you're when you're on a break or you're trying to go get that goal. The ball's gonna come backwards because defensive players tend to play backwards because they wanna pay that safe ball the not used to running guys or creating chances. That's not what they do. So when you're putting players out there as a as a striker, how the hell am I gonna get service? I'm upset this is ATI showing AM frustrated, and obviously he's he's been gone. He hasn't been there. But you could say the same for Khuda money. You could say the same for Darren mattocks. They're not getting service. They're not being put in a position to go out there and score goals. And and and be this team be the players that the team needs to be Jimmy save says he doesn't know if he'll stick around the is on loan the quote here from him. If I don't have a good feeling. I'm not staying if I do have a good feeling. I'll stay I enjoy that quote from Kimmy safe. It sounds like he does not have a good feeling at the moment. That's for sure right now. More from week ten here. Minnesota Seattle played a pretty darn good one one draw at all eons feel that really enjoyed watching this one. It is not a good sign for Minnesota or at least not a super positive one that in four home games, the new venue. They've just got one win three draws in that time. But the defense definitely looks better. I co- para with a nice header on this one criminal Don with the banger big question for the Sounders, which was the bigger Russ loss. Excuse me, railroad or Gustaf's fence, and we're going to find that one out 'cause Vincent turned out to be a much bigger piece than a lot of people though, very was on the bench for this came on came on. It changes changes for them changes things for them. But mid. 'field mixes rolled onset on this very show. Was extremely good was fencing there. I wanna talk Francisco California, just real quick role. Dons hit. Yeah. Go for walks. No gets me pumped up. I said on the show if he played shortstop or like free safety on the team. I think he can make it like he's just has a battle mentality. He's got good technique. He covers a ton of ground. And he figures everything out he's played what four positions now at the pro level, and he's figured it out and all those positions. And so that's the type of guy he is. And I think part of win we'll talk about spending over the next few weeks if he's his I Don will once again figure something out of just how to be at his best based on the situation around him. But when you're that type of player, and you have clean technique, and you have good stamina. So you're never like dragging around the field ball pops out. So you drill one. And he's probably wasn't even playing this game. Yeah. Nice little Pugh. Those little hit. I'm roll down. I'm show. I'm a fan of a big fan of him as well. Because of his character. He's he's a great kid. He's always looking to learn. He's humble. Those are the guys who wanna play with a great flower box really really criminal done to Francisco Calvo was wearing the captain's armband when I was in Minnesota for the home opener. He is not wearing a loons jersey anymore because they flipped him to the Chicago fire for four hundred K and total location money. They also get a cell on. If they happen to move him on here down the line. I won't go into the breakdowns here. But it's one hundred fifty in twenty nine thousand nine hundred fifty in twenty twenty in that math on that goes up to three hundred. So I don't know where I got those figures one hundred overall that's what you know here where the fire gonna play him. Why did this happen? I mean, I get why it happened is not a natural leftback back for. But he's still better than anybody that they have at that spot. But I think in crates. Palton Auriol for tweeting this as well in Paul has. I think good sources within the fire that it's probably gonna end up being a back five is probably gonna end up being like a five three two or, you know, five four one type of thing and. It's he's gonna calbos gonna play as a left centreback, which is the position that he's been playing primarily for Costa Rica over the years, and he's been much better for custody than he ever was for Minnesota United. So he's gotta like it. It's a little bit of a it's a fresh start for four hundred thousand dollars is not a lot of allocation money. It's not it's not. So if you get a guy who, you know has been a starter for a team that the customer is a top twenty national team in the world in maybe Calvo's, a type of guy who the armband wait a little bit too much for him. You know, where if he had to be the leader he couldn't quite do that. And we saw his last appearance with the loons where he got that totally unnecessary red card. But now, he's not the leader. Bashing shrines Tigers leader Dax McCarty is the leader. So he can just be a follower, and maybe that'll suit him. And he the talents there. He was bizarre -ly upset about playing left back, but wasn't good at centerback. And you got in this weird. Where it's like you're unhappy when you're playing better, and you're happy when you're not playing as well. So I think the five-man backline fits him. And if it's the team because it just it eliminates some of the individual issues for players who struggled defensively because you just have more numbers back there. And if you have someone of the intelligence of swinestein to really move the pieces around like the quarterback sitting in the middle of all of that. I think it makes everyone's role easier. It also might fit for in cows here. One of those guys in as wingbacks rather than fullback zoom showed over hime as well. And then you can find a role for Qatar guy Thanh as that second guy in three five three two off of nNcholas and finding space so it seems to fit everything and like say talent at some point sometimes someone's better at soccer than someone else in whether it's the right fit or not if it's a good move. I'm pumped about this because there's Pajaro so as Martinez pajama so was quote unquote traded from DC. Quite but just in general, I think there's a lot of players in Major League Soccer that are useful. That can be a good part of a roster, and they're just in the wrong place behind someone and rather than just sit on it because you're scared. Other teams are going to be good move those pieces as a family gets better as a neutral the league gets better. But we're talking about FC Cincinnati. How many teams MLS needed defensive midfielder? You've got eight of them. You can go out. Maybe you're not going to get as much bang for your buck as you wanted to or exactly what you spent on them. But you're gonna get useful pieces and another team gets a player fine. Whatever that's not your problem. Your problem is to improve your roster. And there's moves like this out there in Major League Soccer. You went through twenty four. There's there's a lot so many am not even going to get into it. But there are plenty may seventh is the close of this transfer window. You can make up to that point, by the way, memo show and the fire there might be connection there. He's free in the summer. It's been rumored for a long time. I just wanna say demerits Doyle Cinna home on Saturday night. And like stay up, really. Chicago and does out here tweeting about how it's going to be a goal. I and the firearm plan in the natural defending the person in say it was gonna be a goal. You really implied. You really think you inferred maybe a little bit of both you push me over the edge. And then I had to Kate. I came in the studio yesterday we use like I'm so heated toil told me to stay up late because he's going to be an unbelievable game of the year. It was a pretty hard game. It was exciting. The TV out on my back porch. Entertaining. I guess on the back of TV gave me for free. That's your representation at the event. You don't get to actually come as. Well, we did not give winter satis the timbers. But they absolutely should have got it. It just became official Brian Fernandez signing from the Cox, a huge huge club record fee. We've been talking about him for a while also big for the timbers three straight wins. They be our salvia Sebastian Blanco. And dig of Larry goals that dig of Larry got him to seventy and seventy seventy goals, seventy six imager league soccer. He's the ninth all time to do it cover already gave you the rundown. I was going to quiz you. But you have in front of you Landon. Donovan basically covers your own. Share? Landon. Donovan Steve Ralston Cobi Jones cranky Dwayne de research, Jason Kreis. Jeff Cunningham Hymie Marino that is a who's who of 'em A-List legends. Congratulations to Diego Valeri. Let's talk though, Brian Fernandez. He's twenty four years old. He's Argentines had some bumps in his career. That's putting it unintentionally. He did have a in two thousand fifteen as suspension for the use of cocaine moved on from that had restarted his career, then he is also suspended right now Liam Mex because he spit it some fans, it was his first red card ever in that instance, still TVD whether that suspension will carry over if it does I believe he will miss two more games the reporting by same letter because that he will be available for selection this weekend that could then potentially depending on the head of that suspension. Be his first game that counts toward that. But there's a big fee. Mexico is saying the reports on their ten to twelve million dollars. Which would put it up in the top five all time for analyst Jeff Carlisle says it's not at the twelve million dollar range. But there's still some murkiness. They're primarily has played right wing this season of the class Ceuta twelve goals. He's also played center striker he can do both. He played mostly center striker in that era. He's only been in for a year. What a nice move for them. This is big money on the wick flip. He wasn't even there for a full year. This is a good signing that can play both. It seems like a guy that this is a guy that the timbers have been trying to get a game changing attacking player. Yeah. They've they've been going after that all off season long and get it. I still question whether that defense is going to be enough because we know they they danced on the knife edge all throughout last year's playoffs. But so far early in the season, they figured out ways to improve that. And they're still getting production out of Diego. Valeri outta Sebastian blonde. Go out of Jeremy Boba see who has to game winners in the previous two weeks. The question I have is ok does Fernandes come in in slot into that. And like a four to three one because that would seem to be natural. He's been much more productive as a right winger or do they use him as kind of a line running center forward up top jobs? He goes to the bench and also just gives you options. They haven't been it gives you options. You haven't been able to move because you don't have a full complement of dangerous players, and it's a lot of money disrespect, Lucas Milano like that. He was the previous club-record, but. Well, I mean Fernandez should be twice as good. But, but but you bring this piece in and it's like you've got a ticking time with with Valeri. It's not forever and Blanco's thirty or thirty one. He's on the on that. So I like the investment in a guy at this age where he can help you maybe push while they're still playing well and then carry the mantel as the star player once they're gone. He's he's twenty six years old. You're only four he's turned thirty three. Like, he's got a good couple years left. You serious. Oh, yeah. He's thirty three definitely the way he plays. It's not like a guy that depends on speed and athleticism. He's he's fleet on his feet. He's he's agile. He's it's his brain. It's his movement. And he's got a great I touch. So that's not going away. He's got another option now in Brian Fernandez, supposedly a lot of money here. And that's a big move for them. They also move Daniel goose Mon to Chrissy twenty twenty international spot comes the other way sounds like it's probably got AVI Daniel and couldn't figure out who got traded reading was like that makes it does make sense timbers also made another move they've been here since then is shaken they acquired what let's see one hundred seventy five K and location for another international spot. So that must have been that that national spot. But then they got a good one. Then there's this mother MLS traits here or petrosa did not get traded. No, he did not Dallas did acquire. They acquired a bunch of. Allocation money here. So Martinez draft zero. So was signed. He was signed originally using discretionary jam discretionary ten is not tradeable. And it turns out players that you signed with discretionary tem are thus not tradeable. So that he had to be waived and there had to be gentlemen's agreement with the other clubs that they would not pick him off the waiver wire which allow DC to pick him up in the process DC sent their first round pick. There you go and they got one hundred K and GAM back. So to completely. Yeah. So the d send the draft pick DC DC gets marquee Martinez. Pro gets him and one hundred thousand dollars of game. And the reason Dallas paid one hundred thousand dollars of GAM is because they wanted the cap room to like. Dc United now has says entire salary hitting their books. Dallas don't have to absorb that. Which is about three hundred fifty thousand dollars, and obviously more simple insurance forward Maclear there. L E going out here flipping damn for Tam as well. So they sent to two hundred twenty five K and GAM for three twenty five K and game with Minnesota. Then they did the same for three hundred K Tam with Columbus. They've been linked with Alvarez twenty six year old Argentine let it go to them on right now. He's like a sinner midfield attacking player could play on the wing. We'll see what happens as close as they do wanna get an attacker over the line before this may seventh that is Tuesday deadline also says everyone knows it is imperative to trade GAM for Tam as we look to remain competitive in the global market as everyone knows Dennis actually followed him on Instagram. Great follow seriously. Yeah. Party like private jets, the whole thing party. Yes. Quality follow champagne player. Oh, you're saying. Okay. Every time four one two zero six zero IMO, less extra soccer dot com. Question for Charlie. Because I wanted to ask your first choice. We have a five five tournament. Let's just say we're put it on a Brooklyn Bridge park. We're gonna kick you the entire time. You won't get mad. But your first choice will be who you can can only be somebody that you could actually call right now, he could pick up the phone, and they would answer who would you take for your team or this is this is a prime. Yeah. In their prime. Not right now, not not like Stewart. Hold him pick up the phone calling Stu, and Stu I need you on my five five five aside team because I know you defend you will work hard for the team. And you love feeding the beast. On the right? And he's gonna get joy out of scoring goals. And celebrate in five five minutes. Yeah. Anytime score don't a celebration. It can be to be to it doesn't matter. What if you could only pick one person off this panel off this panel? I haven't seen Yvonne. You put you know in your heart. You're going to pick us. Nice. Definitely I would take me to Garrett. Here clearly been watching the LA clippers melas had a super sub award. The NBA has a sixth man award will senior be the front runner making such an impact off the bench who would be your front runner. And what would be like what's the qualifications because I think you can't start a certain amount of game in the NBA. I wanna say obviously, you'll senior. But I was I was thinking that we just like clone senior we give him to every team in Major League Soccer. And we say once you're up to goals. You are contractually obligated to play your clone. Ill senior you must play him. And he will go out and just snake people snake fest just make just snakes chips from two yards away. Just you know, all the giving goes on the edge of the box. When he does that. I'm like follow and follow him bump him do something. He always gets to go. Always. Alan Gordon's, gone. So you don't have Gordo anymore. Trying to think who else has made that impact could super cents at God pillow fee. Deb pillow feats, not really around much all five year old Adam he's in Phoenix hasn't been in less than two years. Still remember, very fondly. Jordan Hamilton has had a little bit here. Senior he's not on that level though. But I'm just saying these how to run. Yeah. Yeah. Minnesota's gave him getting starts in there too. That's almost I think you have to you have to come off the bench for more than half your game, Chris Pontius starter. But was he could he's still fall in that? But that's the thing when he was coming off the bench. He wasn't impacting the game. He's he's been much more impactful this year when he's been starting. I think we've seen that a lot. I would love to see one team that subs. Like a demon every time they win. And that guy went it. And it's like well every time I come in. We went down to be the guy that locked down Toronto. Duck wants court of the season gone pick your favorite surprise player of the season. So far. Latif Lessing with Tiv blessing. The jitterbug who scored a bunch of goals. They're not a bunch of good number goals in Kansas City between open Cup in the league. But was like maybe nine when he got there. Then he was on the wing, but he was always around the box is like a one b one player now, he's just like, Mr. tackle in the midfield. He's kante. Yeah. He's he's just hitting clearly just he just covers ground breaks up place. And then gets rid of it. There's no dribbling there's no Latif blessing. Taking guys won't be one is just take it and get it off your feet and just be ready for the next guy. I think he should be on your five five team that team's going to celebrate Latif and Charlie it's almost two almost two. I same team. I'm going out to esta at west I didn't think much of last year. Not that. He I didn't think he was a good player. But this year he's really getting on the ball controlling tempo. Finding the right pass making the right decisions being in the right spots in the field. I think he's made a huge jump from from compared to last year. I love the two of the three of them it filled field. Mark Anthony k and what teeth blessing guys that you probably like two years ago. Nobody would have called nobody who got Edwin surreal eighteen year old homegrown mid for for Dallas. Nobody knew about him. Like, I'm part of the soccer dark web of people who are like really into. You know, youth soccer in this country and follow every US. Are you? Imagine that I do I get to this. You don't you? Don't wanna shout out Joey from the scuff slack. But Edwin surreal about. No. Like we talked about him in preseason because he was starting to get minutes in preseason. And we're all going back and forth like surreal because he maybe he's going to earn himself like survivor that was yeah. We were thinking like so real is gonna earn himself North Texas contract. And then he gets the contract and we're like good for him. And then he's a starter for one of the better teams in the league. And he's like a right Amon Penn starter at this point like this past weekend Allah's needed to take off one of his defensive midfielders. He took off Carlos grays. Oh, who's twenty four year old Ecuador international World Cup veteran and left surreal on. Instead. This kid is probably played his way into the US you twenty team for ram. He's been really good. Let's finish out with Texas. I wanted. So you wanna meet saying no idea when I'm hosting? Menton airs up there and Monteiro for Phillies been good because Eric in Fort Worth. He said there's a lot of doubt around the dynamo base on the Lisa's probable. Impending move discussions are handicapping their chances based on that. But should include mention of a replacement acquisition as well. At least sells for ten plus million in the team brings in two three million dollar players. We potentially get better not worse dynamo. Just picked up an international spot match Ordonez been out of the country shopping. How do they get the most out of this Albert a lease is no easy? You can't find a replacement player just because you have the money like he's he's very very dominant because of his pace is speed and his athleticism. He's not it's not an easy place player to replace. And it gave him time to get settled, which you're gonna have to give anybody time if you're bringing them in from outside especially season, and it's not just L Bertha lease moral a notice sale outsail out. I mean, they get the right? They might have to wholesome fill and their their gigantic devastating holes. Because we talked about the union at the start of this show. They've had eleven different scores dynamo had four Minolta. That's five goals Elise. In memel Rodriguez each have four almost Martinez says to that's it. That's that's the sum total their attack. If they sell these guys, look, everybody's got a price if they get a ten million dollar offer. I think you probably have to sell. They're going to have to scramble. I'm sure they have a whole list of targets. They're going to have. Spend, but just spending it as Charlie said, it doesn't guarantee you're going to get that type of player that effective a player. So we're talking about the future there for the dynamo of the president's pretty good two point three points per game. That leads Major League Soccer six wins one loss. One draw another six games at home of those eight so dynamo fans when you hear people saying, oh, maybe not completely sold yet. That's why it's because the front end of that schedule has been very very friendly to the boys and orange so far. So it's Seattle tough Portland at home, tough DC at home tough at Minnesota home to sporting. It doesn't get it doesn't. They're going to be tested is a great start. It's a great start that pacifist. By any means just yet. Did you wanna read Tyler from Kentucky? No, I was gonna finish out on David for make David for making Georgia not me who wanna talk about. We was excitement for LA rebels. He said that matchup, but not the one you talked about the first Beckham game pulled him into the black hole of molasses where he feels once you get in. You can't get out. The first game. I watched was on red bull's verse. Donovan and Beckham's galaxy no clue what the score was. But who cares? The game was beautiful on retaking LA school. Literally juggling down the sideline Beckham hitting inch. Perfect. I Don of setting them in strive thing of beauty here. Sin joying that game with your son. Cam a Saturday first half. He was all about it. Like, I said little bit more variable in the second half. But he's eighteen months. We'll get them into it. He was wearing his rebel jersey. Shout up everybody who said high at the game. I also wanna throw out that that rivalry. Also, brought us Rafa Marquez vs. Landon Donovan in the playoffs. So it delivers. It's a good one. All right, folks. That's it for us. Thanks, charlie. Dave Doyle, Andrew will see on Thursday. Everybody.

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Monday 25 November

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Monday 25 November

"You're listening to Molecules House view first broadcast on the twenty fifth of November. Two Thousand Nineteen on monocle twenty four. This is molecules house view coming up today. It's genuinely sort of impressive. Quite how boringness manifesto is when the Institute of Fiscal Studies is saying. Hang on this it. It's a good sign that there's really not much the. UK's Conservative Party manifesto has been released and to the surprise of no one would even the most fleeting acquaintance with Boris. Johnson's methods. It seems was to reflect new beliefs at all my guests tested covets. And James Ball will discuss flat and the days of the news including Frankenstein writes a contract for his monster. Install but we'll let curtail its rapacious appetite for human souls and Wolves in Europe Not Russian biker gangs actual wolves plus Ma. No one is above the law. All in theory the reality is that the Justice Department states that the president cannot be tried in a criminal court while in office is the. US presidential impeachment process fit Vol- purpose. I'm Andrew Malone Nichols House few stocks. Now welcome welcome to the show and joined by TESCO vits. UK correspondent for Profile Magazine and James Bull Global Editor at the Bureau and author of Post Truth and bluff or crecy among of titles. Let's start in the UK now two weeks and a bit from the general election which will likely t up the general election after that probably in about much. The more or less incumbent Conservative Party have lashed their campaign to the slogan get Brexit Don which while a nonsensical reiteration of the fantasy that brexit will be easy easy and straightforward a proposition now into its fourth year of debunking has at least cut through as a slogan should but is there anything more to the Tories and the Alito Boris Johnson than this James First of all is this bluff or crecy in action or is there actually any sign of any ideological underpinnings. We could describe as Johnson ISM. I mean it's genuinely sort of impressive. Quite how boring. This manifesto is genuinely genuinely when the institute. Ah Fiscal Studies is saying hang on his. They say this is a dull deal. timet sort of calm responsible. Stewards of government technocrat types going. And really this it It's a good sign that there's really not much and it. Is that problem in Boris Johnson. You are pretty show a little bit like David Cameron. He'd fulfilled all of his ambitions For what he wanted to do with number ten when he moved in he might want to change the courtesy said Zico. He needs to to not be short his staff already like to win majority but he doesn't really want to do anything he's not there because he's sort of got some vision for Britain these that because he wanted to be because that it was the biggest Bulbul Tessa do you. Discern as a doubtless bemused outside into this process any articulation as yet from Boris Johnson. Any coherent view as to the kind of country he would like the United Kingdom should at last to be well. The manifesto see it more. As a technical voting device device wants to break into the northern Red Wall of the Labor seats that he needs in order to his majority. If you would now come with a heavy heavy neo-thatcherite wrist Manifesto they would not vote for him. I mean he gets them on the brexit issue because he can deliver the Brexit if they vote for him by at the end of January first the first stage but the second important issue for people is inequality and after ten years of austerity of government of the Conservatives. -servative this country. The last thing they need is more of that and this is why this manifesto sounds like a soft version of Of what Angela Merkel would Of a you know a kind of more centrist idea of putting money bag also into social care and putting not a lot not as much as labor obviously but this is why he's doing it. I think joins us this recognition possibly on the part of Johnson and Dora. Whoever actually drafted the conservative? Party's manifesto that. The party. alty is so split and fractured and rancorous that they can't really start articulating any grand principles because the party will then just pull itself to pieces again now. I suspect it's the opposite. I think if Johnson's actually does pull off a majority from this Tories will fall into line. They like a winner What this this is is a do not throw away your lead? This is a this is. I am not a sports analogies and I'm going to try while Nicole. This'll this is going to be a high wire. ACT This is one niller eighteen minutes and what you do is you keep everyone the back you know you. Don't try anything bold Yo. Don't try anything interesting. so-someone said this isn't a manifest day. This is a bunch of focus. Great cheap stuff say that you can not really commit yourself to very much not lock yourself into anything unpopular. So much of it was. What did Theresa may screw up in two thousand seventeen? How can I fix it? And so it's the safest steadiest one nation nation kind of manifesto. You could have. Except it's weirdly latched onto this completely chaotic very hard Brexit And Otley that's probably quite popular pilla combination. The very strange thing is it's Brexit NHS law and order and on some polls. The Tories have that she come out ahead of labor as most trusted on the NHS dot is baffling especially given huge sums labor offering to put into tests on that that point and it is a reasonable one theresa may in the previous election. which on the one hand wasn't that long ago and yet feels like could happened in the mid seventeen hundreds? She did actually attempt to articulate some policies of the van just brexit. These obviously proved monstrously unpopular which is why Despite leading one nil at about eight hundred at about eighty minutes she managed to lose. Well release kind of humid draw. Draw what you should have a win. Exactly last minute winner for the opposition is what's basically going on here that they're hoping that nobody is worried about anything else. This is a conservative just was trying to make everything about brexit. Because they know that's all they've got well in a deeper sense. I think Britain is so overwhelmed by populism that it's really difficult for anyone now to Come up with a sincere political program Because the the way labor is spending money in ahead of the polls is. It's also astonishing discipline not exactly add up to anything and And Boris Johnson's biggest problem. As you both set before I mean he does not take a political vision presents his own career and that he got latch onto a hard brexit. And now to make sense of that is really quite difficult. I mean I think that these two years since two thousand seventeen elections so much happened and people the country is so desperate for investment in social care ending the image as ending education. I mean after ten years. These cracks in the slides have to be fixed on the playgrounds. And this is why if Borsch Johnson gets a large enough majority that he can actually keep Jacob breeze mark locked up in his house in Somerset northern have to bring him back into into on the front bench. Then he made also move A real kind of more centrist policies of the Tory party into the into to the government declaration for the next four years if he stays in power. I mean we will see about that but as it's not completely completely out of the question joins is. Is it stress to suggest that there's been a bit of a reversal in the in the dynamics of the two major parties because for years the Conservatives whole thing was you know like us or hate us we are party of principle and conviction. We know what we stand for this thing. They kept beating during the sort of triangulating Blair Brown years. Sort of Hawking back to Margaret Margaret Thatcher. Okay fine she was divisive but she had principals she stood for something whereas now we have a Labor Party. That very much does stand for something whether you like it or agree with it or not and conservatives just appear to have given up on even frightening any impression of being a party underpinned by any ideological coherence. I think it's absolutely fair to to say that. The Tories had a phase in the thousands of trying that. But that's when they were losing heavily I mean. Sacha run as multi seventy-nine by Tori standards. She had a very very wet first cabinet. She run against a very left wing Labour Party and eighty-three which let her go far. More extreme then just rolled off a lasting popularity Aligarh ty- Cameron moderated the hell out of the Tories and got them Soloviev for the line made very odd thing of actually running a quite moderate platform but she was so confident of winning the election. Her manifesto about getting through a five year government and being able to do sensible responsible big things which is why it had so many really unpopular. Things it it was to go to Tori. MP's No you folks on this manifesto you've opposed me. Doing this thing so so may was trying to get through. Five years ignored the six weeks. Boris Johnson's manifestos only to get him. Through until the thirteenth of December I think really could probably disregard anything in it because it doesn't really roll very Chino routes If he doesn't get the side as ever. Boris Johnson is the unknown quantity tate. He could moderate ride up and try and be a popular leader or we could really just guy full rights meet to this other story right now will Nice Tessa Shishkov vits and James Bull back with more from both in just a moment but first his monocle Ben Ryland with some of the other stories. We're following today. Thanks Andrew. Hong Kong's leader Carrie Lam says the government will listen to the public after Pro Beijing candidates with thrashed in the city's local elections reports suggest that seventeen of Hong Kong's eighteen councils a now controlled by pro democracy politicians. The election saw unprecedented. Voter turnout the front. To lead. Germany's Social Democrats are left Schultz else. Says he's optimistic that he's Party's coalition. With Chancellor Angela Merkel's conservatives will hold after next weekend's leadership contest Schultz is being challenged by two candidates from the party's left wing branch as being confirmed the world's biggest luxury goods company. Lv and H is buying the US. Julia Tiffany and Company for Bolden. Sixteen billion dollars. Tiffany has become something of a New York institution since it was founded in eighteen thirty seven and end it now employs around fourteen thousand people across the world and the minute reports that commercial operators of services such as airbnb packing their bags in Toronto. It follows decision to uphold city halls ruling that restrictions should be placed on short term rentals. I'm Ben then Ryland. That's what's been making news back to you. Andrew Thank you Ben. This is molecules house view. I'm Andrew He James Bowl and Tessa Cisco vets. Let's move along onto a story which may be related to Al.. I one if one accepts the proposition that the online realm has done for the public discourse. Roughly what turning chimpanzees loosener restaurant kitchen shen would do for the food. So Tim Burners Lee develop of the worldwide web appears to be having something of an Alfred Nobel moment attempting to ameliorate the damage done by his invention invention. Bona's Lee has unveiled what he calls his contract for the web. It is backed by many big tech outfits and in very general terms it's nine central tenets tenets urge governments corporations and individuals to behave less terribly online. Tessa did Tim Burners Lee make the mistake of overestimating humanity from from the beginning. Well I think we should still thank him for helping to lounge our internet world for all of us because fundamentally I still think this is a really really good idea. The question is only how we regulated and we have to get used every time on these big big changes in the world to the fact that we have to invent legal framework for what is happening. I'm astonished for example that I don't know if you saw the speech beach. All of you of Sasha Baron Cohen the diffamation league on Friday and he was spot on with so many things. He said that he says you know. Hitler could have posted political ads on facebook and facebook would have allowed it. And how astonishing that is in a destroyed because we all have to adhere to certain rules in our professions in the media as if if we journalists or if we are The politicians we cannot do anything in in newspapers and radio stations and television stations. Just like that. So why why should social media not be put under the same regulations and that's something that can be done and I'm quite Glad that people like Timber Leeann now on board that Celebrities like Sasha Cohen. Come out in favor of regulation. Because that's something. Think I think you know expert of course James's Derek expert on this Calling for already for years joins. Is there something in this particular contract contract for the web that burdens Lee has unveiled that does look like a framework four away Ford or or is he attempting to insert toothpaste back in the tube. I I don't think it's quite either I think very well meaning high-minded cozy sort of Idea as he can probably tell by those words. I think it's got to do absolutely nothing We along pass the time while Nice little. Wouldn't it be nice if everyone was nice. it's going to do anything about this The Internet has sort of build the ultimate governance problem. We don't really have any actual functioning system of international older in the real world and then we've built a network that's half the world's population nets a surge of the world's population just using some single companies. When you start looking facebook and Google and so we've joined the things together on the scale? That was pretty much imaginable and left ourselves. Wave headache after headache after headache And that scale L. OF technological change needs legal changes to these institutional changes. It needs to kind of changes that take decades to get yeast to they saw the belt and new world old setting out what some of the principles should be in getting a lot of people to sign up to them to at least guy. Hey we like these. Rough ideas is nice. But they'll find it a lot easier to get people sign up to it while it has no teeth to at the ever word. If there was any sort of sanction to already southern specificity to it tested there was always angry populism before the Internet of course but is there something about the nature of how it operates which amplifies that strain of politics above any others and I guess the follow up question to that would be. Is there any amount of regulation. That's going in Detroit Vert. I'm not sure how to answer that question because it is really incredible. How difficult it has become for people to not be so viciously attacked and as you can see here in Britain that about fifty mostly female? MP Sort of decided not Toronto and because it's just too incredible difficult to step out in this Public Sphere of social media after. You've been so viciously attacked day in day out but I think we have to confronted. There's no other way we will not get rid of it as no point in saying like there is no Social media all election campaigns are driven. Better it makes the Internet. The Internet makes us also very straightforward with a lot of things. Send a lot of people unfortunately take it For their personal their personal anger out at the world which might also have an effect that they are not so so angry at home. Maybe if they can do it on but I think it's a hopeful novels but I think we have to sort of confront each aspect aspect of this is James assisted. We get regulations in that. Make it a bit more regulated. It will not go away anymore quite right that I'm sure companies pennies assigning up to these Happy let's all join hands. I'd like to teach the world to sing variety initiatives as a way of full stalling any ultimate regulation of what they do. It is the point of this going to be that people tell organizations like facebook unlike twitter which has not as yet signed up to this that you are responsible for everything that gets published onto onto your mouth. Ted just like any given newspaper or magazine I think we had she starts on some quite tricky territory because when no actually angry at the social media media companies were angry at each other. It's people expressing opinions. What we're often asking is for people to not be allowed to express their opinion now if thoughts it's abusive? If that's racist if that's out there they already have some responsibility for it and have to do. We actually want to start having that level of control and especially corporate control troll of what people say. I don't think we can ever want facebook or twitter to have the same amount of responsibilities newspaper. It's a house for what appears in there. They need to the band more responsibility. They need to have something resembling. They'd have standards where they could be found to be negligent all day responsible Custodian Tanf these public debate platforms. Is that the same as saying they have to pre moderate every message. No I don't think we want to end up hitting that point because part of this is just structural to the Internet. Let's imagine it. You have a niche one in a thousand feet that you are very angry about. Aliens are real and every three Welsh person is all. You need to know this. If you'll just in your village and you start saying it in the supermarket. It's going to be go away. I know actually you know you're saying in your pub- No one no degree city. Say Go away you know. Honestly if you keep going on about I said Bob you might just shut up a bad start getting on with the rest of your life online online. If you've got a one in one thousand feet are seventy thousand people in the UK who Sharon. Here's really sort of normal. Every every other person in the pub believes the same thing but more radically wind each other up. That's not twitter's full. That's just the fact that the Internet finds lonely mainly in marginalized people and connects them softened. A great thing if you're a queer community if y'all some struggling in so many ways could be great support network if you have rarely fringe are unpleasant. Views means you'll find thousands of other people with and doubts about the media and we have to work out handling that and just going mark Zuckerberg's a nasty and we it's manned doesn't actually fix that problem okay. Well let's look finally at France where it would be pleasant to think that one of Egypt's best-known protagonists is at lost. Getting a chance to say see I told you so. Wolf has been spotted in the Charente maritime region of the west of the country the first such sighting of such a creature in the wild wildaid nearly thirty years a photo was taken which confirm the wolves presence an actual unarguable InFocus picture as opposed to the blurry evidence traditionally advanced in similar similar circumstances. While this is debatable. Good news for sheep. It is a result for the wolf which was hunted to extinction in France in the nineteen thirties. Tessa Festival people. Are you thrilled excited. Overjoyed by the prospect of Wild Wolves in Western fronts will should be part you know. We should not be so scared that they'd take over. You're not standing alone in the forest surrounded by At one with the chocolate to feed them leg in this ad that we see in cinemas here now and then they will be peaceful but I think in general all this debate about extinction of all these these different kinds of animals. The wolves part has been part of our mountain's forever. It's okay if it's there can sort of controlled it and I looked at the list most of extinction threatened Animals and there's so many that I've never even heard about so it's really worth looking at did for example in Australia on the list is one that is called in English a turncoat which we in in the German expression of vendors who used especially attorney after the Second World War a lot of people turn to call us quickly so this is what this bird can do so I would really wish that we can prevent him from extinction. Joined what is going on here is a thing called re wilding and there. There's various ideas advanced about that. Some pretty benign the Eurasian beaver will be reintroduced to Somerset and Surrey next spring. Bring the idea being that. It's it's Damn building into prize. We'll help naturally. Regulate River flows and so forth. The Scottish Wildlife. Trust wants to bring the links back to Scotland Oakland Which I'm a big fan of but then I don't live in Scotland I don't own? Afam is the problem with all of these things that they tend to be most the the people they tend to most excited the ones who have to deal with the consequences. Sir I mean I was Gonna say I think Wolves being back in France. What people voted for and they voted for breakfast? So so I had to say I just like the idea of this. It's nice to have a bit of magic in the world to get a little bit medicine here that I grew up the ship was I loved the idea that might be wolf it at what I walk around there. I am quite happy to take the risk of being eaten by a wolf for the light magic of knowing that possibility ability so bring all the animals back like any of them that could survive the AK a no ball and what not people. Yeah I'M UP FOR VOLUNTEERS TRIP TO CHICAGO. Vitz and James Bull. Thank you both in a moment we will hear a little bit more about the complexities of putting a president on trial royal. You're listening to Molecules House view. Do Stay tuned. This says Molecules House view. I'm Andrew and finally today as impeachment proceedings rumble on in the United States. Monaco's affairs editor. Chris show Mac asks if the procedure is fit for purpose. It's a strange notion. A trial held in political courtroom if Donald Trump is impeached by the US House of Representatives which seems increasingly increasingly likely given that it is controlled by Democrats the trial that determines his fate will be held in the Republican controlled Senate as if to emphasize the sham nature of all of this a group of Republican senators the would be jurors huddled openly with the White House the defendant last week to discuss their strategy such such an event is currently the only option the US has for trying presidents while no one is above the law in theory the reality is that the Justice Department states that president cannot not be tried in a criminal court will office hence Robert Moore's decision not to issue a recommendation one way or the other on whether trump obstructed justice during an investigation Shen Hence Moi's decision not to issue a recommendation one way or the other on whether trump obstructed justice during an investigation into Russian interference appearance in the two thousand sixteen election charges must come from lawmakers a jury of his political peers voted in by the electorate rather than a courtroom contrast is that with Israel where against the backdrop of a similarly polarized electorate the attorney general decided to file corruption charges against Benjamin Netanyahu last last week. The prime minister predictably called the decision and attempted coup. Unlike trump. His fate lies in the hands of the courts. Unless Netanyahu's allies in parliament. Succeed succeed in passing laws that would make him immune to prosecution so which system is better. Who should be charged with removing a leader from office the courts lawmakers who where the electorate all we can hope is that both camps? Remember that impartiality and a fair hearing the hallmarks of any judicial system should lie at the center of the process. Our democracies depend on it that was Christian and that is all for today's show monocle spouse view was research by Augustine much Larry Research by yawning goffin and San Johannes. A studio managers were Steph. Chungu and David Steven's coming up at twenty hundred brand new edition of monocle on culture. Mongols House fee returns at eighteen hundred London time. Tomorrow I'm Andrea Andrew Millet. Thanks for listening.

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Will the von der Leyen dinner see a Brexit breakthrough?

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Will the von der Leyen dinner see a Brexit breakthrough?

"The spectator magazine combines incisive political analysis with books and reviews of unrivalled authority subscribed today for just twelve pounds. I'm receiver twelve weeks subscription in print and online plus a twenty pound amazon gift voucher. Absolutely free go to spectator dot co dot. Uk forward slash. Hello coffeehouse shots spectators. Daily politics pocus. I'm katie bulls. And i'm delighted to be joined by guest james for saif but who say the london answered irish times data. Staunton try and make sense of what is going on in the brexit talks. We finally have a date. We know that this evening. Johnson will sit down with e european commission. President s should've underlying for dinner but in terms of what's at stake really depends who you ask dennis. You've been speaking to figures. Tim's the irish government but will say the brussels viewpoint in the best case scenario. What could this break attempts to the debt. I think in the best case scenario they will agree that their negotiators should go back. Carry on it. Looks like we've narrowed down from the three issues which were fisheries the level playing field and how to enforce the agreement. It's they seemed to be focusing now on a very specific part of level playing field. Which is this what they call the ratchet close so in other words both sides will start off at the same standards in terms of employment rights environmental all the rest of it and then the idea is real. The britain has agreed that it won't regret from those but the question is what happens if one side improves their standards and so if they have better environmental sensor labor standards what is the other side do does the have to shadow all of that or if for example say let's say the europeans make the employment law a little bit better for the workers and the uk doesn't say to do that. What can the you can. Europe do if it feels that this is going to give britain at competitive advantage and that appears to be. They're talking about it if they can find some way that they see a way through that even if they haven't actually worked it out in detail tonight i think. Then we're we're kind of on a path to a deal james. What do you expect to happen this evening. Not suggest for your hostage to fourteen was lightly outcome tonight is the woman abortions off stated michelle on. Go round the track. One more time in the question is whether they can give them enough of creativity to get over the precise huddle. Dennis was very talented promises. Questions boris johnson chose to ally old. This is the main issue. He said he mentioned fish. But this was the first thing you mention how to use it to particular issue with the automatic over the fact that it was going to happen straightaway with operation to when he took people in case. There's an issue here. Which is you could say. Look what you're basing. His tariffs in future. Why pay taras tomorrow on the from the first of january on woods when you could just gonna pump this issue down across the uk. Government don't like to particular things one. They feel that this looks like the uk will begin drying throng in the eu slipstream. And secondly they don't why the unpredictability for business. So i think we have to look at is some kind of independent operation mechanism which also applies to both sides resolve. We know things that the uk won't see straightaway. It wants to buy animal. Exports should be able to say. Well we've done this. We would like to examine whether european qodra is getting a competitive advantage. That is distorting trade. And i think if you could find a way to do back to make this a bit more predictable a bit more buzzed. The look the way the answer markle express herself in the palm in this morning. Updates them out of your being counsel and you saw some language. But i think he's less. Light is less of a red rag to the brexit tier said that that's the question. Obviously there is the issue of fish. And i think in some ways harder because fish is a more binary question you does the have control of who accesses versus waters and now has to be something might yes you k- the eu has acknowledged that uk does have back control. He's all uk waters decides. But you better place. A series of mechanisms that provide in the same way that british business will certain teachers. Don't wanna be slapped tires. Unexpectedly european fishermen will then suddenly gonna find out who the fishing ground but they were. They had been expecting to keep access to and one of the things. That's making it harder. This time seems to be the fact that it's not just as case of the first stage the fact that it was clearly at the border issue that would affect the irish government. The most you could see where the political intervention would come from this time while borsch fields movie speaking to ashton lyon we have had he tried to get to situation where he can also talk to macron america. The same time. That's harder to do with this. Is these issues that all member states will opinions on depending. So what do you think. The most important conversations does underlying. It may seem to have the authority to make all knowing that people will go on with that. She doesn't have as much authority as someone like john jonker. Who was kind of a bit of a joke here in a the british media in many ways but actually the fact was he was very experienced european politician he he he knew european going back to helmut kohl and mitterrand and so he did understand how the system works and he also just because he knew everybody and he was that kind of person it was. He was the kind of person who was better in a situation. Like this. the north lafond alive. She's she's fairly new job most of the time she's been there. You've had the coronavirus problem which meant that. Even if she was the schmoozing type. She's not she didn't have much of an opportunity so it is more difficult for her. Having said that the system is very much geared towards the commission. Being the lead on this. And i'm not sure that a phone call say between boris johnson and emmanuel macron who regarded as the most difficult customer would actually do that much more than negotiations between us lafont align macron and while there's a complexity about this in that for most of the issues like say the level playing field is straightforward and negotiation between the eu and the united kingdom fisheries is different because there are different interests in different countries. And it also means that say in the case of the level plainfield. It's just a question of what. The u k gives in the case of fisheries. If we talk about the things that james was talking about the europeans can do a certain amount to help the french fishermen if the frenchman must triumph in all of this so that if for example were to get a deal on the level playing field then there are things the europeans can do to cushion the blow to the french fishermen. If britain gets more of its fish. Back james deadlines come. And i were hearing again about the idea that this could be pushed past christmas. Gino's any chance of at she things moving quicker than expected because what is negative music. It does feel a few things happening which suggests there is actually some progress so having sunday night monday morning was a deadline came and went with no deal with that. Still okay. I both always very keen to stress but now as the deadline now is in the you saw yesterday's remiss addressing that you could not extend the transition period but you would just carry on negotiating off. I think that is rav over-optimistic the akron that would be caused by no deal and even a few months trading on wto tubs will make it very hard to just simply restore negotiations. Where where they currently are. I think the. I think the choreography probably is unless it only goes disasters. Took good is also see one in the basically bars based on and say you've to move like i call any further which point i would be no point in going around. We'll lightning is. They both sound quite kobe dating but without definitive offering anything unfrosted body. I said to have another go on friday. Also european council. Then i think once it goes on your into questions of how can you get to something so you need to get so political compromise which then needs to turn into legal taxed and so i think we all probably get a rapid that i won the weather next week next week if music is still very negative about what suggestion that nothing's gonna get fixed but i think it it becomes more positive. You could be looking at something. And i think realistically not saying this because to pray i mean this to be. You'd have to at least have agreed the deal for christmas. You could reservoir for christmas. But the idea. On boxing day they could be sitting for another round negotiations. Dozens roy municipal trash vacation. We've had a lot about tomorrow's e cancer some of which was seen as the point where brakes had to be agreed by what situation in terms of when it can be agreed by leaders presents itself after that passes. Will you member as we fatty. Chill laxed about nearing christmas. Do they have to physically do could be has actually much more virtue of the fact they can do it virtually if they want to know and then the other questions and there are two questions one is if it's what they call it a mixed agreement then you'd have to get national parliaments agreed to it i think they're going to contrive away that it's not so you just have to have the european parliament. The european parliament always says needs an awful lot of time but in the end they can do things pretty quickly and they could even sit in between christmas and the new year or all kinds of creative ways where they could ratified later as james said. It's all about getting the deal right now. Agreeing know these issues. And i think in a funny way that actually the closer you get to the twentieth so the thirty first the more the two sides are going to become about the consequences of not getting to you and so in some ways this thing going on into next week. It's not a bad thing. Thank you dennis. Thank you james. And thank you for listening

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And you might know him from the g folk classic regulate or from ludicrous single area codes are maybe from his role in fabulous can't deny it. Or from the infamous. Smoke weed every day, Dr Drey chronic two thousand one album Nate Dogg helped to make these tunes and more popular hits of the time. So and in order to measure the impact of Nate dogs hooks. We must first define what a cook is okay hook. It's a musical ideal short rift or passage or phrase that is used in popular music to make a song appealing and to catch. The air of the listener Nate Dogg is the undisputed king. Let's go into a couple of more songs, take it. Was. Probably. Spout. People. Still. Title. Pale next wishes. Got some needed mcadoo host cable. You could tell them. This thing. Seats. Forty. She pushed him what you think. Cardi? Cohen. Well, well, y'all hurt snoop on Elka next up. Joe? Trai? Right. Thank god. It's Friday now. Check. The plane. Stay. Pick. Took. Click. Fluck apply. Cook. Tech. Lexi. With with. Fritz chicken fair. Kick kitty cats. Experts play. Take a hike Kazakh rep. Flip. Sports. The fuck. Competition fish in. We play. Three having fun stuff. Flick shakes. Just the plot. The fucking. You're listening. With Robin Levin. That's me. And we are right. Smack dab in the middle of Nate Dogg tribute Oriel Nate Dogg died on March fifteenth two thousand eleven after having a couple of strokes. Yeah. That was a pretty tough right there. Now Nate dogs career started. When. Warren, g snoop Dogg and himself formed the group to thirteen now they wouldn't release fall project until two thousand four. But three of them can be heard on the chronic or doggy style, and to thirteen was one of the early adapters of the g funk style that's a mix of eighties, funk and hip, hop, and Nate's voice. He's got that soulful voice, man. He's really smooth. It's perfect over those kind of beets. And there is no doubt that he had a huge role in the sub genres impact early on his debut was on the chronic which just shows goes to show, you how bad of a legend. He was mad. He's tough man down that same album that launched the careers. That's the same album excuse me that launched the careers of snoop dot corrupt das- Dillinger and Warren g and also. It also launched Nate Dogg as well. Ah-ha? Yes. So let's go in and listen to interview with Nate Dogg and snoop. Have no image. I'm just giving people who I. Does after stuff we went through the past years. Kind of like it was kinda time. Somebody say is we we family dog. I love. Know how wrapping his all about ballot that you can do all that still gotta have some point where you can be. You got love for people. You know, we party we can go forward, and we can do our music. We can do this. We can eat him battling can shop head. What you know? After the end of the day, we can still had fees. I love the hip hop in general people while they're trying to make trying to take kids trying to live off of our music. That's come. You. See me from on the east coast know, doing ludicrous DAL sound JD all the way back to where I live on the west. Thing. People categorize music thing. What I feel my shock you one day and do a country. Music. Hopefully, my musical explain who I am people. His like releasing. He was. Matt mecca song the mad on tape for sad or happy wanted das- wanna do whatever I can make. Keeps me from. I kinda wanted to come fresh because there was a new beginning on new store. Like, always I got my word, I'm boost hand people. And I'm just really excited to see what I. All right now. Now, Nate Dogg wouldn't emerge as all clinch solo artist until nineteen ninety eight when he released the double album, g fo- classics volume. Volume ones about that. Go volume one and shoe with his debut. You get exactly that g funk classics Ah-ha, his smooth delivery was soft enough for the ladies but hard enough for the fellas at the same time. The mix of hip pop tendencies with classic are MB and sold delivery fell alongside this funky new sound and when paired up with an MC, you bet it was a force to be reckoned with. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I got to say Amen on that. All right. So let's go into a couple more song said P right back. Prodding. For saving. Which is. To the window. God, that's. We talk. Plato plato. The acid rock in the special thought. Cranky when we have charging. With the polish on. All the ladies. Twenty. Chicken. If this. Like. Russia. Field. This to me too. Feel that life was come. Nights. Close. Well, she. This. Hold on. Floor. All. See you. To like. You're not. Excuse me cross. Three. Escapes me. Pulsating? Crossed in stole. Weaken. Three. Warned against fake news during a visit to the United Arab Emirates the first people trip ever to the Arabian peninsula. 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This Week in Nerd November 25 2018

Talk Nerdy to Me

22:18 min | 2 years ago

This Week in Nerd November 25 2018

"Do you want to keep up on all the pop culture events? Do you want to impress all your friends with your nerdy knowledge when sit down get comfortable unless watch this week in nerd? Let them. Not with me. Okay. I'm a little excited about this one. I'm big in the musicals. They are making a nother adaption of cats the one you saw out in the nineties was just basically them filming one of the performances on Broadway. It's one of the longer running plays on Broadway, actually, got a chance to see it there in New York before it got pulled. I loved it. I don't know why. I just I love cats. This one is going to be star studded man, Tom Huber's cats musical adaption, they designed Jason Derulo. You know? He's only been here along with. Let's see some more names here. Aegis Elba is going to be in there. Jennifer Hudson Taylor swift, James corden, I believe that is signed rebel Wilson is is just star studded. And it's one of the executive producers spill bird gotta be good. If it's got spill Berg attached to it. Looks like for formative nineteen Eighty-one if you haven't seen cats. If you don't like musicals don't bother. I kind of really do like musicals. This one centers around the Jellicoe cats and one time of year, they come in perform for their their big leader kinda to determine which one is going to ascend to the heavy side layer, it'd be reborn and come back. It's kind of far farfetched, but it man, it's a play you guys watch movies with guys flying around. So just pushed the I believe, but in the gel cats exist. This is hit it scheduled a hit toward the end of December in twenty nineteen. So we gotta wait about a year for this. But with all these names man is based on a book from T S Eliot called old Possum's book of practical cats. I think the musicals much better than the book. But that's just me. Can't wait for this, man. I can't tell you how much I I I'm a sucker for cats. I in in real life. I prefer dogs. So I don't know why I like this. Blake cat so much. It's a is going to be good. Can't go wrong with all these big names and spill bird waiting to see cats December twentieth. Twenty nine thousand nine okay. I told you guys about the big YouTube thing on the last update YouTube has partnered with MGM they're going to be showing for Burri to the viewers. Anyway, a bunch of 'em GM's library, you know, they're going to have movies like Terminator the rocky series legally blonde Pink Panther. And it's going to be totally free for you guys to stream off you to now how they're getting around that is is going to have ads. They're going to be charging for ads. So if your company that typically runs ads on YouTube, and you want your say your dick sports, and you want your ad to run for boxing gloves during rocky you pay YouTube. They got Nunes of millions of subscribers that are probably going to wash this stuff for free your ad. It's going to be placed perfectly in near great ad placement. If you don't want to see the ads, I believe you can opt for their their nine ninety nine ad free. Experience leave you to bread, and it should take all of the ads out. But you know, this is a YouTube skirting another opportunity for people to advertise. They're giving you movies for free. But it's going to be just like TV is going to have commercials in it and they're getting that add money to justify their. I'm sure they had to pay 'em GM a little bit of cash to get these movies streaming for free. I think it's a great partnership for both is going to get interest back in some of these older movies that people can watch on YouTube for free. Plus you getting you know, having to pay 'em GM so GM's coming out low top on that one says here is going to have over a hundred titles just from MGM. They're still working on partnering with other studios. Can't wait. Some of the studios already have their own streaming. Don't hold your breath. I doubt you're going to see Disney on their none of the marvel stuff goes those guys have their own Disney play service and DC with Warner Brothers same deal. They've got their own streaming service. Probably won't see those guys on her. But some of the other ones, you know, you you might see them. They dropped the trailer for the live action lion. King this past week. Huge is the second largest trailer debut ever ever is used. It's. Second only to another Disney title, the adventures affinity award their trailer debuted to just a little more the lion. King got two hundred and twenty four almost two hundred twenty five million views, and I believe the avengers got around two hundred thirty eight so not a big difference. But still it wasn't real close. I watched the trailer. I there was a couple the moments near that would just like odd. Then he had the all the cute moments. No when key holds up Simba to all the. Subjects of his kingdom. It was just I I'm really really looking forward to this. Now, I more so than Dumbo. I saw the preview or the trailer for Dumbo their day. I'm still on the fence with that one. I don't know it looks like they're changing up the Dumbo story a little bit. But the number one does have quite a bit of big names in it. So especially with Tim Burton directing in got day to veto, Michael Keane? Call feral in Dumbo man has such a sad melancholy story. Benny way back to Lion King. It looks like the first twenty four hours of its premier. If that's any indication is going to kill it in the box office. Let's see. Oh ninety four. Yeah. It's been awhile since lion. King came out. I mean, they've had an a Broadway play which I've seen there in New York. And it was it was pretty amazing. They're traveling around now different areas. If you get a chance at comes to your town. I'd suggest see it, man. The the sense in the costume pieces are amazing, and it's a pretty good adaption of the animated film lion. King. I told you double had a lot of big names, lying kings Ness slasher. Neither man it's directed by John Fabbro. And he believe he directed the jungle book with another big live-action one for Disney, which I thought was done perfect. You also have the focal talents of Donald Glover. Seth Rogan Tweedle Asia four. I'm probably mispronouncing due to play back panther John Oliver, Keegan Michael key beyond say, and Mr James Earl Jones, it's coming out in the middle of next year July nineteenth twenty nineteen. I want to see if maybe we can do a movie review for this one. I'm a sucker for for Disney stuff in the live action. I'm coming around to them. I'm actually starting to like him a lot check out the trailer. If you don't believe me looks really good and can't wait to July, man. Jon favreau. Do me. Right. Okay. I then then them venom. Venom mixed reviews on that one man seems like most of the people enjoyed venom except for the hardcore. But people which I'm not usually in that crowd. But there was something about the venom. I didn't like the characterization of venom or Eddie. I just didn't think that they caught the true tone of those characters from the comic book it. I mean, it wasn't a bad movie. Don't get me wrong. CGI was alright storyline wasn't bad. It just. For me. It was not a then a movie it was them in name only. I. But I guess I'm in the minority because it killed it at the box office, and they are pumping out tie ins and bleed the working on a sequel, they're going to have to marvel Taez, I believe July, tenth and October. Second. The July date is probably going to be more Bs would Jared Lido. I don't believe that's been canceled yet more visit the living vampire, if you don't know he was created during the whole comics code, the asko when people were saying comics were a bad influence on people, and they had all this bad stuff in it. In the comics said, hey, you know, what will police ourself, and they didn't allow you know, like undimmed Inaba sambas. So they created zoo bees, they didn't want vampire, so the created Morbus the living vampires. So he wasn't really a vampire. He was created in a he kind of created himself in a lab by accident. So they had a lot of low work arounds for for these things which really win against the whole spirit of the code anyway. So if you're going to do that, why even bother having the comics code, but they did it was a weird time back then so anyway. Yeah. Morbus living vampire, Jared Lido? I think he can pull the roll off. I'm not a huge Lido fan. He does make good movies. I think he'll be a good Moebius. I guess we'll find out in July, if they don't cancel it in October second the that slot that they've got we don't know what filmed they're thrown in there. I mean, they've already cancelled the black and silver with black cat and silver sable. Maybe it'd be another venom. I don't know if they have time to shoot that. I don't know what they're actually working on right now. But it's gonna supposedly going to be a Spiderman Tien movie, I would love to see that be craven the hunter. It's another great character. If you guys haven't read Craven's last hunt, one of the better Spiderman stories out there. So yeah, I guess we'll find out October second what they're throwing in that. We'll find out before. Then goes there will be showing all kinds of previews for it. But we're gonna have to wait a while to find out that October second twenty twenty date. What's he going to get thrown in there? But rest assured the July tenth day ninety nine percents year that's going to be the Jared Lido Morbus living vampire movie. Star Wars guys. Okay. We don't know if this is just some politician flapping his gums run his mouth trying to, you know, use current pop culture things to get attention, but former UK foreign secretary Boris Johnson. And if you if you seen Boris Johnson, you, you know, you can probably believe he would do something dumb like that. Anyway, he kind of intimated that the new OBI wan kanobi film going to be filmed in Ireland. So he says, I'm along the effects here we go. What was the biggest grossing movie last year Star Wars? And where does George Lucas proposed to make a follow up about OBI wan kanobi Northern Ireland? Okay. We've already had you immigration kind of say, no, that's not gonna happen. And I'm not sure after the whole solo debacle where the didn't make as much as they thought they were going to than they kind of canceled all the and Cillari movies are not cancelled with put him on hold indefinitely. Maybe borsch Johnson. Just doesn't know what's going on. Currently. I'm sure that that one point it was slated to film in Northern Ireland. But you know, they're pulling back the reins on a lot of the Star Wars stuff. Now, they don't want to over saturate. I'm not saying we won't get a we won't kanobi story. I would be happy to watch that solo was a good movie. I don't care what anybody says. It was good. Critics were wrong. Go watch it. So. Yeah. We may or may not get nobody one movie the Northern Ireland Boris Johnson seems to think so, but you know. Politicians have been wrong on more than one occasion. But one thing we do know is the next one episode nine is going to be coming out next year December twentieth. Two thousand nineteen Mark your calendar. Episode nine into the third trilogy. Will they start another trilogy? I don't know. I haven't heard anything I kind of think maybe they should leave the trilogy's alone and just start doing these standalone movies. You know? I think OBI wan standalone after his trilogies done will be great. I would love to see more backstory on law. These other characters may be some of the more unsung characters. Hey, how about a boss how about an eighty eight any of those other cool characters who were just kind of just under the radar people know about them, but not everybody. There's an idea for Disney. I just made you some money follow my ideas, you can Email me for more ideas. Anyway. Probably won't see you'll McGregor. Obi wan kanobi? I'm betting against that. I'm saying Bush Johnson's probably full of it. And we won't see anything until after the trilogy the third show jeans. Okay. If you don't know who Thanos is by now, you live under a rock the adventures of entity war and him making cameos and all the movies leading up to that. You gotta know Thanos says man, they did such a good media blitz with him. So well that they have discovered a new dinosaur in Brazil, and they have named it after. Panos? Yeah. In two thousand fourteen this dude named Sergio Louise Simmons. Uh-huh. And his team discovered. Evidence of a newly uncovered dinosaur species. They I guess they finally went through all the process of proving. It was a new dinosaur. They have named this new dinosaur Thanos after you know, if Dana's not Simone Simon Nado, someone toy after the dude who discovered it, so, you know, in the due to discover to get second billing to Thanos. So yeah, that's kind of cool. So you know, if anybody ever asked you if you can they may dinosaurs. There's one right there. So yeah. Thanos Thanasis a dinosaur now. Drop that autumn trivial pursuit. Yeah. Thanos semina- toy. I'm L. I'm butchering that name don't care. Look it up yourself. You tell me how to pronounce it. Let me know in the comments. It's interesting thing that's not the first combat character named dinosaurs been named after they named after a hill. Boy, guess back in twenty fifteen some version. Triceratops was a a cousin a triceratops named after hell boy because of the horns ahead some horns, it looked very much like hell boys horns. That being said the new hell boys coming out, David harbour. Can't wait to see that. I think he's going to do a bang-up job as as hell boy. And yeah, all the is such a good time to be a nerd right now. Everything is coming up nerd can't wait. So. Yeah. Fan knows is a dinosaur. Little off the beaten path here, valiant comics, they put out a a glass Buryat. Yes. I said that correctly a variant with a glass cover for bloodshot rising spirit number one. It's it was pretty difficult to get comics doors had to order at least two hundred fifty of the normal comic cover to get this bloodshot rising number one glass Beriot looking online typically on these variants, however, many you have to order to get the variant is usually a good indicator. How much it's going to cost, you know, the ad or two hundred fifty than that various probably going to have to sell around two hundred and fifty bucks to. To make it justified. And of course, if you look on EBay bloodshot rising spirit number one glass berry is going anywhere from two to three hundred. So that's that's about right? Considering his valiant to there's not a huge, call for valiant comics. Unfortunately, they have great stories and bloodshot is a Greek character. So yeah, those variants I don't know a lot of stores that could afford to to buy two hundred and fifty copies of bloodshot because we don't we haven't sold two hundred fifty copies of bloodshot since I've owned my store. It's it's not a very called for tidal. I'm hoping that's going to stay with the movie coming out to VIN diesel. Does it Justice? Maybe that'll help. They are coming out with another glass Buryat. It's right livewire. She's one of their more unsung heroes. Deals a lot with technology her glass variant, though, they're taking it a step past. What they did was rising spirit. You know, bloodshot had the first glass cover. They didn't they weren't happy with just add. So they decided that they're livewire was going to glow in the dark. That's right. They ordered a while under black light. I'm sorry. Not in the dark. So under black light. They use this special ultraviolet ink on the cover. I'm looking at a picture of a here. I posted over here saying see it. Yeah. This cover under black light all the circuitry and stuff on you know, the kind of hidden in the cover glows as a really nice touch. I like it. Scott to be the same deal with this man, you're going to have to order two hundred and fifty of the normal cover to get the one livewire glass. Variant can't do it. I just can't bring myself to do it. Two hundred and fifty of those at a bout Mike cost dollar fifty give or take. To get one glass variant that I can sell and break even now man sorry. I can't I can't do it. I understand that. They've got to justify all this extra stuff. They're doing to to produce these glass covers. But man, I just I can't bring myself. Do there's there's the bigger stores will do it in some of the smaller stores will probably overextend themselves. So they can get one. I'm not I just I can't I can't I'd love to. But then again, I don't there's not a big market for valiant. The least night here where I'm at. So. Yeah. Anyway, look it up livewire number one the glass variant with the UV ink in it were glows under black light. It's it's it's really cool valiant stepping up their game. And they're they're doing all the right things. They just they just haven't turned the corner yet man that they're making the movie with Sony movies. I believe it's a five picture deal. They're doing the glass variance, man. They're out there. They sponsored vans warped tour. They're they're trying to do all the right things to to break through, and, you know, hit marvel and DC level sales. They're just not quite there. I'm not sure what it's going to take for him because they had the characters man, they had the titles or storylines are just amazing. They just need that notoriety. And I'm hoping VIN diesel will bring that to them. That is all I have you guys day. I hope your thanksgiving was great. You didn't eat too much Turkey. Easy. I know I did getting ready to go out after this and walks him off with my poker mongo as always subscribe to this YouTube channel mash that Bill icon. So you get notified whenever I put up a new video for my auditory. Only friends. 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The Bastard Manifesto

Behind the Bastards

1:06:29 hr | 1 year ago

The Bastard Manifesto

"You Start Your own iconic business. Do you have to meet when you were kids like Ben and Jerry. What have you all end up hating each other like the founders of tinder what if one partner wants to hit the road and the other wants to stay home what do Tinder Ben and Jerry's and Wells Fargo have in common their all iconic businesses founded by regular people so how do it. Where did they go wrong. Where did they go right and how can you rotarians and the possibilities of the human race and stuff <hes> so this is like a it's not a half ass but it's maybe in the room to tear me down if <hes> if what. I'm saying nonsense Anderson this abuse Anderson this'll be really fun. If your conclusions were actually I was being kind now I read about primarily dictators and terrible unethical political leaders and corporate leaders people who abuse power <hes> basically as well. That's actually totally fair <hes> but that introduction <hes> does tie in yeah slightly with with I I've become a stalinist. Oh God I just WanNa hear you refer to yourself. As a bit of a drama Queen Turns out this three quarters of an asked attempt at meet putting some of that together and explaining some of the conclusions I've drawn <hes> from all of this research and is a more than full time job and having done that for a year and Change Ya you start to have some ideas about the nature of power and the nature of authoritarianism. I'm an optimist. I'm not <hes> I'm not well. I don't know I am a mix of both I guess <hes> so today. Normally this is a show where I talk about the very worst people in all of history but today we're doing something a little bit different. We are getting very much behind the bastards because we're going into some prehistory about where authoritarianism Rian Ism comes from where fascism comes from how might be kind of programmed into our brains to an extent <hes> this is kind of a weird one and it's based on you and <hes> it's not ready for public consumption but I'm going to put it out there anyway because I'm a hack and a fraud so that's where we are. I've got <hes> Sophie Jamie. It was by the standards of my recent introductions one of the best ones I've done. I just don't like cracks against potatoes in the INTRO. People requested that Intro soapy. I don't need to hear your about it. I with today's episode <hes> so you know I I've Jamie Loftus your our guest today. How you doing Jamie Costa the Bechtel cast <hes> Edinburgh really optimistic for you to even mention twenty twenty two as a possibility as a time period that will exist well. I'm Hussein rant circle. SOBEVA and McCain leaves. I odd casts dickens caters. I'm Robert Evans hosted behind the bastards and that so I learned from Mary Kay and Ashley Everything's fine as long as long as you lie to your weight. Mary Kay <hes> the the creative mind behind boss whom is girl which is going to be an Edinburgh probably by the time. This episode drops entertaining show. I've been to in the <hes> in demand that they take her back like what happened. There Yeah Twenty twenty two west Yeah Yeah Yeah Force it upon the town fathers of Edinburgh the last ten years thanks Flight Edinburgh. I've seen times you should listen to this years. Later in Jimmy Hoffa's not in Edinburgh Flight Edinburgh sure I've just been a bit of a drama Queen and things are actually fine. He's like I just went binging Mary. Kay Nationally that's my new life as Home Henry Wells and William Fargo. I'm Dana Barrett host of the new IHEART podcast bizarre graffiti. Listen and subscribe on Apple podcast the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts kind of dramatic before power is actually really good and I'm going door for Cook Industries by by this this ends on a on a pro Saddam. I do want people's feedback but I don't need go Oakland <music> buddy buddy one isn't that what I thought is. Isn't that a parent trap he can actually not actually twins that's Double Bilo Hand Yeah and as I miss. Where was that Lindsay Lohan that wasn't even Medicaid National God damn it I <music>. I was too busy trying to remember exactly what had happened. In <hes> in that movie were they trick their parents into both getting on a cruise ship with them to make the divorced mom and dad get back hidden. Maybe a full ten seconds by being like I don't know who you're actually bring that up thinking about once a week. I bring it up constantly with sales people when they ask you why I think I tried to mention Arianna Guerande in casual conversation last year and you Wayne Agronomy see this is frustrating because I feel like if you if you add up the number of words that I read every week on this show I have above ninety nine percent pronunciation close to an outright dictatorship. The elections of Bolsonaro in Brazil and Rodrigo detail in the Philippines hardly bowed any better but the situation is actually even worse than authoritarianism and inequality in those societies. They found that roughly one billion more people live under dictatorships now than did fifteen years ago nineteen. Fukuyama theories have not aged well <hes> rather than living at the end of history. We now seem to be living through a period where these once invulnerable liberal democracies as a new epoch in human society was dawning one in which the great historical shifts between Empires and modes of government that had persisted for eons would cease because mankind had clearly economy and the leadership of some one hundred twenty nine nations the US put together what they called a transformation index that roughly analyzed the overall levels of freedom authoritarianism McCreevy's faster than fat beats a warehouse Rave. Thank you thank you for that. Jamie proud of that one in liberal democracy is the final form of human government so a bit of a bold claim to make <hes> a little less than thirty years later in the Year of our Lord Twenty not just the passing of a particular period of postwar history but the industry is such that is the point of mankind's ideological evolution and the universal ization of Western Essay into a book in Nineteen ninety-two after the fall of the U._S._S._R. When he looked like he'd basically read the future <hes> in the industry he wrote that humanity was witnessing quote not uh-huh or pronounce the name wrong. This actually will tie in with something we talk about later in the episode. I didn't plan that ahead of time and it totally does and I'm very genzyme not a dictatorship fan bold stance to take. I mean considering honestly brave of you. I mean we can add to that because I feel like our clearly arrived at the perfect system liberal democracy so that's Fukuyama is thinking and like nineteen eighty nine now. He turned his the INDIV- history looking forward just a little bit he was able to see the fall of the Soviet Union was on the very near horizon to Fukuyama and too many at the dawn of the nineteen nineties. It looked as proud of myself now so let's get into it in one thousand nine hundred and nine Francis Fukuyama a political scientist and author wrote an essay titled the My philosophizing here because I'm going to do an episode where I unload of a half baked philosophy. Somebody should be there to like point out. When I've made a huge logical error wild that's insane. Yes not a great statistic. I don't like that <hes>. That's my only comment. Knowledge Okay so fiennes arm under Viktor Orban's Hungary has transitioned to what he calls and Illiberal Democracy under tight oppressive Erdo gone. <hes> Turkey has moved very ernest. Why did you let us come on the show together. We're not GONNA get anything I needed. I needed some shit talking of my my. It looks based on all that researchers with a German Institute Bertelsmann Stiftung published a study back in March of two thousand eighteen than analyze the quality of democracy the market four point two billion between two thousand and three and two thousand seventeen. They also found that three point three billion people lived under dictatorship last year compared to two point three billion in two thousand three Robert can't pronounce normal words and give them the explanation that he can pronounce some crazy Russian ships but cannot pronounce Arianna. Let's see Asian rate. Someone crunched numbers. We're talking about ten thousand words a week. You know you get a couple wrong. Mistakes are okay now than where fifteen years ago I had a write up of this study in the local which is a German newspaper quote while the researchers concluded that the number of people living in democracies rose from four billion to literally throw oranges at me and make me watch cowboy movies while you drink. I've seen yeah absolutely I've seen it. One hundred percent I hate and I see it yeah cool so <hes> yeah so these guys look into the number of people living in dictatorships and how that's changed and they find out that there's a billion more people living under such regimes now you are. I mean if you wear my son and I accept you for who you are yeah except for when I don't WanNa watch cowboy movies yeah not acceptable then that's not acceptable okay but usually those are like tree. That's a look we I love tries and I pronounced relationship. Robert is a dictatorship and I am not tater. Yes uh-huh Direction. Nothing would surprise me and the like Stalin you regularly so the trends aren't good <hes> it is said that the number of countries classified as having exemplary standards of free and fair elections had dropped from one in six in two thousand six next to one in fourteen last year and while seventeen of one hundred twenty nine countries considered to have completely unrestricted freedom of press and opinion in two thousand six that was the case for just ten countries their world order would persist for all time and now that mankind seems to be sinking into a darker and more authoritarian era. A new philosopher has arrived to praise the righteousness. It's making it harder to climb back up the ladder. According to Peterson hierarchies in humans work in a similar way we are wired to live in them so that's Dr Peterson <music> for me. What would you say ninety. Two Francis Fukuyama was that man cheering the victors of the Cold War on and assuring them that in study shows the research this article and others like disgust was based on a study conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health Using F._M. aride measure the brain activity of seventy two people playing a computer game with financial rewards on the line. According to the press release quote there were assigned a status that they were told was based on their playing skill in fact the game outcomes were predetermined and by the other players simulated by computer participants intermittently saw pictures and scores of an inferior in a superior player they thought simultaneously playing the rooms although they knew the perceived receive player scores would not affect their own outcomes or award and were instructed to ignore them. Participants brain activity and behavior were highly influenced by their position in the implied hierarchy. Now I found a more detailed breakdown of that study by an actual scientist Dr Kobe's Kimani writing on anthropology dot net and he notes quote overall against source. I just don't like his. We've got other sources and yeah. Unfortunately we have other sources. <hes> there's a distressing amount of data that reinforces the idea that strict hierarchy may be more natural to humankind than the Galateri in future those of us who grew up watching star trek the next generation might prefer in two thousand eight extent according to a write up in the conversation quote to prove his point. Peterson uses the example of lobsters which humans share a common evolutionary ancestor with Peterson argues that like acumen lobsters exist in hierarchies and heavy nervous system attuned to status which runs on Serotonin a brain chemical often associated with feelings of happiness the higher up a hierarchy a lobster motives of others and emotion processing areas deep in the brain activated when the hierarchy became unstable allowing for upward mobility that it is the prefrontal cortex also ties into authoritarianism because in his best selling book twelve rules for life and antidote to chaos Dr Peterson argues that strict hierarchies are natural and healthy at least to some in every era there are philosophers purpose seems to be to reinforce in the minds of the great and good that whatever systems put them in their lofty place right and decent perfect that someone say Latina base it climbs. This brain mechanism helps to more serotonin available the more defeat it suffers the more restricted the serotonin supply lower. Serotonin is intern associated with more negative emotions. Perhaps unquote an area near the front of the brain that appears to size people up making interpersonal judgments in assessing social status a circuit involving the mid front part of the brain that processes the intentions in most motives eight a scientific study and hierarchy in the human brain started making the rounds online websites like P._B._S. Newshour summarize it with headlines like this social status is hard wired into the brain really a trap saw. I'll you know like lure in like sword guys and option mark Zuckerberg yeah exactly like Eric in brain functions are reduced to something as simple as gaining money another interesting observation involved subjects that were presented a superior competitor in the game when that happened at triggered activity and as much as I may personally find him frustrating disagreeable. He's not the only person making arguments like this have an ugliest person second overall. This observation implies that social status is highly valued in our subconscious minds. Even as much is money. The press is gorging itself on the sound bite. They just love it when something is complex social hierarchy entries last year so we're not we're not on a great trend line. If you want to look at history that way now the guys who owned swords and then it's really kind of like a reeducation kind of thing and the doors snap and then I teach this guy's a thing or two about a thing or two H. snus of this shift his name is Dr Jordan Peterson. Hey own while I was having a perfectly lovely conversation robbery. We were having conversation while two and then they they leave mentally healthier. I can respect that back to Jordan. Peterson speaking sword guys he kinda ties in there but he also like it would be mostly. I don't even know not not a very good consumer words so yeah I would shop for okay. No it's supposed to be a shop at it's actually how would you solve all sorts of Shit. I mean it would be and also none of it would be it would be. I think probably a front for something else. You were talking. I got the Jordan Peterson memo and I just had a sharp pain but before we get into that sharp pain. What would what would what would you sell. The lofty place shows that our brains hierarchical consciousness seems to be ingrained in the human brain so much so that there are distinct circuits activated by concerns over social rank so like so like what is the Judgy Bitch Cortex so call us Spain Dr Come Ronnie goes on to write these results to thwart in a utopian anarchists out there this data primate ancestors or at least many of our primate ancestors would have been beings with strict social hierarchies scientists think this is plausible because many of our modern ape and monkey relatives show evidence of this specifically like maybe led to think about their rank in a hierarchy and they're also measuring their brains at the same time and they're finding that like because we sort of evolved with this this like structures in our brain that kind of function the same way as like an addiction to hierarchy and at some point in our past we got <hes> ancestors <hes> which kind of suggests that tens of thousands of years in our past at some point you know we've -Tarian communities which is the conclusion that scientists increasingly make as study ancient man in modern hunter gatherers who sort of are seen as kind of a standing for our ascended from would have behaved in similar ways which is probably why we have brains that are to some extent hardwired for hierarchy <hes> now this gets because of the way the people's brains react in these studies suggest that parts of our brains are hard-wired <hes> to view ourselves in part of a social hierarchy <hes> <hes> as opposed to like human beings inherently being a gala -Tarian and social hierarchy being something that's falsely imposed on us from outside like the structure of our brain has to gibbons are strictly monogamous chimpanzees have elaborate sexual hierarchies silverback gorillas don't exactly work out their differences in mutual self criticism sessions but it is kind of a bummer to read stuff like that <hes> because it yeah it it would seem to push the conclusion that we are to some extent at least irrevocably more complicated when you also slot in the fact that an increasing body of anthropological research suggests that many of our hunter gatherer ancestors would have lived in a gala sort of strain of research and there's a couple of other studies in it that talk about <hes> hierarchy and stuff so it's not. I'm not trying to visit present. This is like the end all be all <hes>. I'm trying not to be too absolutist with anything here but I think it's fair to say based on a lot of anthropological research that many of the pre human primates we descended revocable chained to hierarchy systems of inequality in other words to a world dominated by bastards and while that would mean eternal job security for Sophie and I. It's not not a worry that a world that I want to live in particularly so I did a little bit deeper with a little bit of desperation to it <hes> and I found evidence to suggest that our futures writing for the Journal of Human Nature published the results of a study into a sample of fifty three human society in which Paulie Andrus unions were common <hes> quotes. Is it going over it for a period of thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago yeah yeah that's interesting to me and two thousand twelve researchers group that he did yeah this one. I think is seventy. Two persons study this most recent one here <hes> but there's like this. This is like sort of emblematic of one sort Mary. Perspective our analysis reveals that it may be predictable response. Okay here's the thing it's a predictable response to a high operational sex ratio favoring. That's not what it is it because men in ancient societies would have died so often. It didn't make sense for people to be strictly monogamous so you should if you're going to have men dying at a higher rate. Because what kind of a study is this like how many it's an F. M._R._I. Studies so they're doing these sort of things to try to make put people in situations where they would be specifically. Is there out hunting stuff. It makes sense. If everyone in the tribe raises all of the kids and if people don't have strong bonds of monogamy. That's what they're saying. <hes> ancient people weren't polly going here. Robert. I this is a little bit but not for the most parts Robert Sneaky Bat is just a little little bit just a little bit life yeah now we demonstrate that although polly Andrey is rare it is not as rare as commonly believed is favoring males and may also be a response to high rates of male mortality and possibly male absentees Ovalles in other words to live longer it makes no no no is found worldwide and as in most common Galateri and societies we also argue that Paulie Andris lightning during early human history and should be examined from an evolutionary seems to reinforce hierarchy and doing is they're like oh a are we pulling a wide group of yeah sample damp samples if this is just one study <hes> but there are other studies that have found similar things say the sample size of the group the Andrus because they were making an ethical choice about it being more ethical than monogamy. It's just if there's one hundred and fifty of you and your tribe and people are dropping all the time 'cause they're out fucking can hunting wolves and shit. It doesn't make sense to like have her his your. Her husband died so now her kids don't get food like that's not a great way to if there's not clearly a lot of Latin American tribal societies is they have these beliefs about sperm that once a woman gets pregnant every guy she has sex with after the pregnancy ignores that there are a lot of monogamous species as well so it's it's entirely possible that like we descend more from monogamous types of primates than we do from pollyannas types of primates and makes sense to me because like I'm poly-amorous and I'm I'm familiar with a lot of frustrating people in that community who will make claims that like Oh. It's more natural <hes> it's more ethical because and if that's the case then this period of time in which most human beings were poly-amorous isn't a return to wasn't like natural for them. It was something that they evolved in here. Is that if we're talking about like this book sex at dawn which is really interesting book focuses a lot on one of the pollyannas species of monkeys Bonobos but which just fits right into what we're talking about. Oh God Damn Cook Industries Fuck Fox News right yeah right book like monkeys. He's thanks to Dick Pills. Let's what do Tinder Ben started contribute sperm that helps build the child and so kids have multiple fathers in the tribe and that means that like if two or three of them died. He's still got three or world that they lived in. That's fine yeah. It's it's when it's just something to tweet about. I love when I see my poly-amorous friends and I and <hes> connick business. Do you have to meet when you were kids like Ben and Jerry what if you all end up hating each other like the founders of tinder or what if one partner wants to hit the road and the other wants to stay home like Henry Wells what I'm getting to hear it point than Paulie Andrew Robert. You know what else can increase your chances of survival. You episodes each week. Listen end subscribe on Apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts we're back and I'm <hes> I. They asked me how my monogamous relationship is going and I'm like Oh. It's good and they're like well well. You're missing out over here in as gesture that men and women in pre agricultural human societies likely lived in relative equality Mark Dibble lead author and the study said sexual equality is one of the important changes that distinguishes extinguishes humans. It hasn't really been highlighted before so again. This guy saying this is a change it was. It's not a thing that came naturally to us something that we adapted to for specific benefits of my career. I've interacted with interviewed and reported on thousands of businesses. I've seen bright beginnings that fizzled out and rocky starts that turned into shining stars so has our ancestors did it and it's important that our ancestors to the extent that they were polly. Andress didn't do it for ethical reasons. They did it because it made logical sense for the that many of you. You just can't live that way. You GotTa Stay Harney. Stay frothy all the time yeah or it's more that like <hes> like one of the things that's really common in particularly. Ben and Jerry's and Wells Fargo have in common their all iconic businesses founded by regular people so how they do it. Where did they go wrong. Where did they go right. And how can you start your own iconic. We're talking sugar. Daddy Culture in which case has many daddy's well. I think you guys and your reaction. When I started talking about. Poly Andris does make and William Fargo. I'm Dana very host of the new IHEART podcast bizarre graffiti. I'm a former. Tech EXEC turned serial entrepreneur turned T._v. and radio host and over the course of continuing to build to my larger point which is going to keep going on so there is a two thousand fifteen study by the University College of London <hes> which put forward the suggestion as I okay gang. Let's just play the board game this France just wallace backfill of each other and the other thing that is important moved to do in no more natural than like a cell phone and like a cell phone was essentially like an adaptation people developed over time in order to increase the odds of survival which is okay so these two studies are part of an surprisingly large to me pretty convincing body of research which makes the case both at the now standard nuclear family has not been the join me and my producer new Guy Nick as we dive into the decisions that led to greatness and the regular people who were able to spin straw into gold bizarre. We'll have new object. I've never found more daddy's to be. I'd effective. I don't need there to be like girls that have or boys that have like more than one dad and he's almost facilities. GonNa break absurd. Damn okay they will especially if it's Dick Pills which for dads and like they're all responsible for teaching the kids certain things I've which is a really logical way to have a society. If there's if you're a hunter gatherer tribe it makes sense. I sat logic just for reasons of the kind of sexual bonds people had. I'm going to quote from Guardian Report on the matter. The first real splash in this arena came from the anthropologist Lewis Morgan and his book ancient society norm for much of human history and that human society in the days when life was nasty brutish and short was also a lot more equal less exploitative than it does today not forty percent of murderers get away with their crimes and I probably don't need to point out to this audience that the number of rapists who don't punished for their crimes is way higher than forty percent. A quality is enforced and that's the key part here enforced in our society rules are enforced unevenly an imperfectly by law when there's hundreds of millions of you and there's way more food than everyone needs to eat and the margins of survival for our social groups are pretty wide common sixty still really old then but people aren't. It's not the norm to die at thirty. It's the norm to dice baby day like I mean thirty based on poly-amorous relationships in which men and women lived in general equality Morgan's work hit a broader audience when it was taken up by Friedrich Engels most famous for being the CO author of the Communist Manifesto in his book the origin of family private property in the state ingels drew on Morgan's data as well as evidence from around the world to argue prehistoric societies lived in what he called primitive communism enforcement of varying stripes but we all accept that most of the things we consider crimes will not be punished. Most drug users won't be busted. Most men who beat their wives won't go to jail roughly forty awesome other anthropologists now call this fierce egalitarianism societies where families were based on poly-amorous in which in which people lived in active equality. I E in which the margins of life and death were much thinner. Their tribes could not survive people stealing food from each other or committing multiple murders. This is one of the reasons why some scientists primitive hunter gatherer humans however lived in small bands of several dozen to perhaps a hundred and fifty or so at the large end of things they lived in a world and a time in <hes> although there would not have been a lot of bastards back then because society's couldn't survive them which is the point on building too so yeah <hes> <music> so ancient tribal people had a huge number of what are called leveling mechanisms. That's the the anthropological term to defend themselves against dangerous members of the group ear on a fucking role in terms of being alive. Yes you're probably a pretty tough son of a bitch. If you make it to thirty in that kind of world or daughter of a bastard <hes> the suspect poly-amorous was so common among humans in this period <hes> or did they miss it. Did you say the average life span around this time unconnected world but the rhythms of their lives tactics of their societies are seen by anthropologists as sort of a window into the human past <hes> studying them is not a perfect look at our ancestors. Lee is a Canadian anthropologist who has spent a huge amount of time living with and studying and writing about modern hunter gatherer peoples like the and the Juhani both of which I'm group and this is where I get to tell you guys one of my very very very very very favorite stories. Have you ever heard of the shaming of the meat. No I ah we're gotta so we can understand that and that's you can you can you can have a society that more or less functions with those statistics in the book. Morgan presented the results of his study of the Iroquois a native American Hunter Gatherer Society in upstate New York the Iroquois Morgan observed lived in large family units based with Christmas and out of a sense of festivity in a desire to express his gratitude towards the tribe for hosting him Richard. Lee bought a gigantic ox to present them so that everybody could have a sweet sisters but it's about as good as we can get in the nineteen seventies. Richard spent time living with the ECON and near the end of this period embedded with them. It just happened to coincide. That's not a super useful statistic because of infant mortality like one of the mistakes. A lot of people make when they think about the past is like the average life span was thirty five that means that thirty year old man no if you make it to thirty you're probably gonNA live to fifty or sixty at least and seventy wouldn't even be crazy. It's just that so many fucking babies die in back then that it drops the average a lot that you wrote about this experience which is a basically an article titled Eating Christmas in the Kalahari which you can find online. It'll be in the source. It's a great read quote. The next like this is fucking awesome. I made this is going to be a great. Gift is a great way to show my gratitude to them. They're gonNA love this shit so I'm going to quote now from what he sweet ass feast now the oxy picked weighed twelve hundred pounds which meant that it was enough meat for every man woman and child among the tribes with to get like four pounds of meat so he's you do a lot more sense yeah yeah. It's not at all weird for people who make it to thirty to live to like sixty even back then you know maybe fifty would be a lot more common. I'm sure I've mispronounced the names of the you have to do like a weird. I can't I just am I gonNA be able to be there. The people <hes> these are people who exist today in our modern. I heard about it nothing to do with sex it has something to do with gender but nothing to do with sex all right whatever Richard Borsch a noon I received the first delegation been a- An outspoken sixty year old mother of five came to the point slowly. Where were you planning to eat Christmas right here. I replied alone next morning. Word spread among the people that the big solid black one was <hes> was the ox chosen by my Bushman name. It means roughly Whitey for the Christmas feast that afternoon is to believe it until we heard it from yourself well. It's the black one. I replied expansively although wondering what she was driving at Oh no bene- groaned turning to her group. They were right turning turning back to me she asked. Do you expect us to eat that bag of bones bag of bones. It's the biggest ox here big yes but old and thin. Everybody knows there's no meat on that ocean every use of a sense of humor or at least one of them. If being good at <hes> insults is just not attacking someone. I'm a you know fucking to attack them without physically fighting and getting into a physical battle where people die in her injured so that sort of the theory that like maybe this is kind of the evolutionary. Samarai won't yeah I mean there's a reason why in so many cultures around the world like it's pretty common for people's Apple's grandma's to be like both kind of in charge of the family and also talking shit about everybody all the time now there are some scientists who theorized that sarcasm and humor itself in human culture as a leveling mechanism as a way to cool the hearts of refuse one who boasts for someday pride will make him kill somebody so we always speak of his meat is worthless this way we cool his heart and make him gentle so this is is like the meat version of like humility yeah. This is how you enforce humility among Hunter Gatherer tribe. This is how you attack and and eventually some of his good friends among the tribe explained to him that this was common behavior particularly from other members of the tribe towards their young hunters. You just make fun of people for the Shitty. You keep harping on him. Dozens and dozens of like everyone in the tribe is making fun of him for days about this so he starts to get frustrated and even angry. This goes on yes. When a young man kills much meat he comes to think of himself as a chief or a big man and he thinks of the rest of us as his servants or inferiors. We can't accept this we tomorrow after he has gone to all that trouble to track and kill an animal and when he is going to share the meet with you so that your children will have something to eat. Arrogance was his cryptic answer arrogance a hug. I think it really speaks to your point and also fuck that shirt and anyone that's ever worn it. It's gotten out of hand in the modern era but we can fight the male ego when you can't afford to let it go out of control. He gets to do in our society. Wow yeah yeah that's kind of beautiful. I mean yes. You'RE GONNA fucking. You're GONNA fuck it. Love it great over the next several days. Tribesmen and women and children would make repeated mocking against it on the way down. This is kind of Jerry. I any means necessary. I like really Texas. This story is Robert. Wow all sort of dude what you'd expect from an anthropologist who spent his whole life like living among different tribal groups around the world started meet story frustrate they the initial purpose is to allow us to for deadpool. 'cause like humor is making fun of somebody insulting. Somebody is a way mocking jibes to Richard about the scrawny size of the enormous ox that he'd bought them. No I don't know leave but reading his writing you get the feeling he's a very openminded Fridley in a hard to rattle arrogant young men before they went mad with power so that's why we have humor pulls away to why we have deadpool as aling things have gotten mutated shadiness of whatever they want. Regardless of how big is when it's time to like help them clean and cook it so in frustration and confusion. Lee asked one of his friends. Why insult <hes> sarcasm is what what a what a dark to go down the other day said sarcasm? It's how at owner with others I expect to invite all the people to eat Christmas with me. Eat what I have purchased. You have as blackhawks and I am going to slaughter and cook it. That's what we were told at the well but refuse. It is also funny that it's like okay. How do we get through to the men. It's like okay. Let's just rob immoral and a bunch of meat and maybe they won't tasted talks. What did you expect us to eat off the horns. Everybody chuckled. It been as one liner as they walk away but all I could manage was a week grin you wondering where this is going mean. You like to text me all the time telling me that you're embarrassed by your gender which I just wanted to bring up for. No reason I get frustrated a lot. That's nice. I mean I do think see where it started. Yeah Robert. The mistakes are made. I guess mistakes so there's there's a body of scientific research. That suggests possessing power impacts the brain in manners similar to brain damage <hes> docker feltner psychology professor at U._C. Berkeley is one of the scientists scientists on the forefront of this field of study from the Atlantic quote subjects under the influence of power he found in study spanning two decades acted as if they had suffered a traumatic brain injury becoming that power was bad for people and it made them more dangerous to themselves and others and that they needed to be like egalitarianism was hunter. Gatherers seems to support at least the conclusion that a lot of people who live on like traditional more hunter gatherer societies kind of understood then again not an ethical decision. It's a defensive reaction to the dangers of power so I find that interesting. I Yeah a world in which Donald Trump never had twitter but also still got elected president. My suspicion is that he'd suck less like power. Priming studies have real flaws when we try to apply their lessons outside of a research context but I think the lived experience of the echo and other getting to observe it and having people volunteer that information to you is fascinating. I I suspect I don't know this but like if we can imagine you can just see in real time the brain rot forming with like over famous people yeah yeah. I mean just like influential people who have too much money share the work of an artist you like you should add their name to it. He'd been like Oh yeah of course that makes total sense yeah but because of the way social media works describe something similar unlike Keller who studies behaviors opie studies brains in when he put the heads of the powerful and the not-so-powerful under a trans cranial magnetic stimulation machine he favor during the election and then his presidency. It's just like a giant yeah yeah. You're welcome for that sound effect this research in the extent to which you can tell us anything about the real world event an interesting eurosceptic article that points out that power priming which the kind of studies that were conducted to get these results extremely interesting as you can see the rot on the edges of their brain and like even like trump aside. There's there's so many examples of just like you yeah that that definitely <hes> tracks with a lot of that's part of what I do think that like powerful people using social media is so he found that power in fact impairs the specific neural process mirroring that may be a cornerstone of empathy now before we take too much out of this. There's a lot of debate about the validity of organization or more natural healthier than the supremely hierarchical societies we live in today but I tend to think the evolution of leveling mechanisms like the shaming of the meat <music> suggests kind of the opposite well at least not about the healthy thing but about it being natural hierarchy is natural for human beings. It's something our brains slide into without careful. I've seen recently as Elon Musk's crusade against crediting artists which is like if you had sat down with him if he'd never gotten on twitter and you just sat down with me like Oh if you coming more impulsive less risk aware in crucially less adept at seeing things from other people's point of view <hes> Soup Vendor O._B. neuroscientist Master University in Ontario recently Rangers Power and this presents perhaps a less utopian view of man's inherent nature but I think it also posits a more optimistic picture of our future because of Homo Sapiens beat vigilence our ancestors were not Galateri in because it felt natural they evolved to enforce egalitarian as and with great vigilance as a defense mechanism against the dangers. It is yeah like an seeing and I'm sure that that's an extension of things that have been going on since the beginning of time but like actually eight the problems of ingrained hierarchy once then we can fucking well do it again true that yeah thank you and that leads pretty naturally to my next question so there's a tendency in progressive thought and it's something that I fight against a lot to look at groups like the Iroquois and other research into our military ancestors and make the point that such forms of social money for your own good like you can social media influencers you corrosion welfare chaotic evil. I don't even include them but like I think the best example of that <unk>. Somebody says that on twitter and he just immediately attacks them. It's like this. Why are you having this fight. Elon musk his entire online presence like back to my <hes> my theory here still building towards there's a lot <hes> like I'm taking you on the journey of just shit. I've been thinking about for the last year and a half they without know yeah never with that twitter but yeah. I I think it's been bad for him. Yeah I think his favor it should be. There should be a thesis paper on it because it's like you. You can just see his brain turning to dust after his kind of like the pattern. My brain has brain. Ri- yeah as best as I can recreate my brain rot. That's what we're tour in. Our ancestors once lived free fucking gala -Tarian lives sleeping under the stars probably taking Hella Mushrooms and not enforcing strict gender hierarchy Louis what went wrong well. How did we go from all that to the last you know ten thousand years or whatever of human history which you know has kind of been <music> outright dominance at the group level argues aunt argue anthropologist. Peter Richardson and Robert Boyd Improved Coordination and Division of Labor allowed more complex societies to outcompete the simpler to drop the ball yet again and be like what do you mean. I said Provia Robert. Thank you brought up. They're more equal societies from mechanistic perspective. Others argued that once inequality took hold as when uneven resource distribution benefited one family more than others. It simply became casts. We're back so we're talking about. Why this egalitarian one thousand nine hundred and nine listen to hell and gone that's h. E. L. L. and gone on Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts awesome he notes inequality did not spread because it is a better system for our survival so why then did inequality eat the world well. That's a question that's gala -Tarian you know of the human race that seems to have existed at a point in the distant past what made it fall apart <hes> and I found a good by dint of their evolutionary success but this thinking has continued to evolve in the twentieth century according to Deborah Rogers quote by the Mid Twentieth Century get a lot of emails co- case all the time and usually when I look at a story I can tell in the first five minutes with probably happened but this when troll resources and needed to venture ever further afield to seek them out this expansion bread conflict conquest with a concord becoming the underclass the more recent explanations have expanded <music> been posed by a number of histories great thinkers Jean Jacques Rousseau theorized in seventeen fifty four that inequality started with the idea of private property social darwinist. It's hierarchies of our primate ancestors was quote central adaptation of human evolution bone thinks we would not have spread across the world without the adaptation of Egalitarian it on these ideas one line of reasoning suggests that self aggrandizing individuals who lived in lands of plenty ascended the social ranks by exploiting their surplus. I threw feast or gift giving and later by entry in theory began to dominate anthropologist including Julian Stuart Leslie White and Robert Carneiro. <hes> offered a slightly different versions of the following story population growth. We needed right up on this subject. In New Scientist Magazine <hes> by a researcher named Deborah Rogers she cites social anthropologist Christopher Boehm who believes the suppression of the dominance ever-more entrenched the advent of agriculture and trade resulted in private property inheritance in larger trade networks which perpetuated and compounded economic advantages so it's we've got a sheriff's Office James Dan no explanation. Janey Ward was sixteen years old when she died under mysterious circumstances. It's like when you're in college and you have to do a group project and you have some people that are either like not available or like order would be today. I'm heading back to Arkansas on a new case to find out what happened to Jamie. Ward on September nine in the eighteen hundreds thought that inequality was the inevitable result of the struggle of survival of the fittest will in which the more fit in almost inevitably white people formed a natural aristocracy shit show but but is not a shit show shit the products and services that support the show I was I was about she was at a party at a cabin in the woods in the small town of Marshall Arkansas story that fell off my door mm-hmm. I'm Katherine Townsend host of the true crime podcast Helen going in an hour's asking people what's wrong what's wrong and more food so he turned to agriculture which led to surplus and the need for managers and specialized roles which in turn lead to corresponding social classes meanwhile we begin to use up natural bad or of any of the people that are busy bodies and want to do everything <hes> and then you have the people that you know have this special shooter so they know how to do everything because they have or it's like college and that the people who didn't go wound up without tens of thousands of dollars in debt so wind up a lot have help and then you people get a better grade and then things people get jaws people. Don't it's like college psychology. She's a group college. You leave leave sad and and your mayor probably are not getting a job in the thing you studied lot wealthier again the thing so they benefit from the fruits of labour of others and then the higher okay natural order of things but more like a virus one that was forcibly beaten down almost wiped out for thousands of years but persisted in some isolated corners until the development of agriculture <music>. It's college. It's like college now. If we find this new school of thought credible hierarchy authoritarianism itself seem not like the natural toward hierarchy in authoritarianism program into our brains and for a long time we fought in these tiny societies but once we started building these larger societies it sort of escapes. I've never heard that comparison before. We talk about veracity a lot when we talk about ideas but yeah I I think of looking at authoritarianism verily <hes> and kind of runs wild. It's almost like how measles was nearly wiped out by vaccines until enough dumb people stopped vaccinating their kids that it was able to spread and get a toehold again authoritarianism hit its peak. It's probably more apt to say that it ebbed and flowed in different places across distance and time and every now and then individuals societies would evolve like ancient Athens or the Jessica Biel thank you some people might argue that hierarchy authoritarianism and Jessica Biel make for feels more like this comparison. I keep making to a virus because like the way viruses spread. They're not <hes> viruses aren't sustainable. They're not stable they stronger and more competitive societies and that's why he's right across the globe that's certainly an arguable point. Deborah Rogers family wealth and so had to go make their fortune elsewhere so like this seems like a really strongly arguable point to me and it also it also they need to continually like destroy populations of of living things and need to spread to new populations in order to stay alive so like I think era Quoi who established cultures that were more egalitarian than those around them but in a global sense strict hierarchy authoritarian means of rule where the order of the day for the of the Europeans who sailed to the new world as they called it <hes> were there were a lot of second and third and fourth sons of wealthier families who like weren't going to inherit the family other researchers however have found in their research some data that would seem to argue against that point quote in a demographic simulation that own car dish Bondi Marcus Feldman cadmium dictatorship right yeah so <hes> obviously like you know we could try to like argue at which points in history. He's exactly what we see. As we look back in history in other words inequality did not spread from group to group because it is an inherently better system for survival but because it creates demographic authoress -Tarian ISM comparing it to virus. I think there's a lot of <hes> <hes> I mean. It's a useful way to look at it. <hes> yeah yeah so it's it's kind of where the yeah you don't really hear like. Social movements are trends ever referred to as a virus. I I've group extinction in stable environments. This was true whether we modeled inequality as a multi tiered class society or would economists call a PARETO wealth distribution in which as with the one percent as the rules in our simulation not allow for migration to already occupied locations but it was clear that this would have happened in the Real World Leena conquest of the more stable egalitarian societies the majority of people across the last several thousand years and again. I'm I'm going to oversimplify here because I'm not a historian and like this is not a historic like an unacademic paper but I think it's fair to say broadly that the last eight hundred years or so have seen a major push back towards gala -Tarian. ISM and against authoritarian means of control the minute I conducted at Stanford University California. We found that rather than imparting advantages to the group unequal access to resources inherently stabilizing in greatly raises the chance of group the rich get the lion's share Kenner intuitively the fact that inequality was so to stabilize and caused the societies to spread by creating an incentive to migrate in search of further resources ethic instability which drives migration and conflict in leads to the cultural or physical extinction of gala -tarian societies and it's interesting if you look into like who a lot in the evolution into larger more organized societies provided with a chance to escape and replicate on a mass scale once more so we always had these sort of tendencies toward all across the globe and if you're going to pick an arbitrary start point for this you might choose the signing of the Magna Carta in June of Twelve fifteen and there would be a variety of other dates that would be important can't there yup and my dates picked are very western centric because I don't know much about like Chinese history Japanese history but you know I think nineteen seventeen the Russian <hes> can spread much like me. I'm of a cat. Yes it does it spreads just like a cat meme. Yeah Fascist dictatorships spread like a cat gordon seventy seventeen seventy six <hes> like eighteen sixty five nineteen really patriotic for a second revolution would be another point in that <hes> and of course nineteen forty five would be another big moments in the sort of <hes> eight hundred year or so push back back against authoritarianism <hes> and if we're going to keep rolling with my viral authoritarianism analogy we might look at the global defeat of the Axis in World War Two is equivalent authoritarian regime changes in Latin America to the Anti Vaccine Like Jessica Biel. <hes> people who saw socialism yeah so Jessica Biel in Allen Dulles at the same here is in its molecular and supple segment Taraji with flows capable of fusing every cell what makes fascism dangerous is it's molecular or micro political from places like Guatemala and El Salvador will the U._S. supported and trained death squads and assassinated democratically elected leaders <hes> you could also make a point about our failure to intervene intervene in Syria all the refugees who fled from Bouchara Assads fascistic campaign of extermination and how that fueled the fire reiten Europe and in the United States <hes> such a narcissist with a podcast <hes> but instead he fucking he's become a dictatorship. You must put your Shane my meat fucking guy. Yeah I would read that piece on medium dot com. Thank you thank you medium. Dot Com is where he would put this if I weren't in similar to this when I was doing my final research for the war on everyone the audiobook that I swear is coming out soon <hes> reading it. It's being edited yeah. It's <hes> yeah it's <hes>. Fascism isn't something that's imposed from the top down. It's something that bubbles up from within groups of human beings and if you're going to stop it requires. I don't know <hes> I came across the study of how fascists we're using the Internet back in the late nineties and early two thousand to keep their movement alive. The study study was written yeah so you've got like this <hes> so yeah the last several decades of creeping authoritarianism <hes> in our own society have been driven in large part by the fact that decades of American K. border patrols in the nineteen seventies ending with concentration camps in Texas and Donald Trump in the White House now. I'm not the only person thinking along line <hes> so the plight of those refugees and their decision to flee the safety of the U._S. has invigorated a right wing movement that is stronger and more dangerous over the decades starting with K._K._k. Erkin leaders have supported dictators and strong across places like Latin America the crisis of the border which provided such feel to the American right has been driven largely by refugees fleeing from political power for it is a mass movement of cancerous body rather than to tallaght -tarian organism yeah all argument to the one I've been making albeit with a slightly different analogy quote delusion guitar argue that part of the Nature Fascism is a proliferation of molecular luke focuses in interaction which skipped from point to point before beginning to resonate together this comment might well have been made about the lateral connectedness found in cyberspace rather than Tari and I don't pretend to understand the overall thrust of the text because I am so bad at reading political theory but black sites a piece of that book that seems to be making a similar argument than Sing Fascism enshrined in a -tarian bureaucracy the argue that fascism was in his manifest in the micro organization of everyday life the power of fascist culture being edited right now by the Audio people so Danell Yeah. It is coming out. I came across a hey Danell. This actually might be up at the time people listen to this episode. I I'm calling H._R. Face <hes> Anderson up by a researcher named less black and in it he cites a book called a thousand plateaus capitalism and schizophrenia from nineteen eighty six now the book was written by a pair philosophers delus- and guitarist here's constant vigilance like the vigilance of say a group of ECON who make sure to keep an eye out for a young man who gets too big of an idea of his own importance because brought down a fucking gazelle. It presented your worldviews various. This was like Roberts ideology on life more or less I didn't I only had so much time to get cutters comprehensive. That is a little bit of it so like one one lesson we can take out oh and like a virus can move and change and go away but young comeback. I mean you can you can basically erase the metaphor at that point went to AMAC's backs and mass vaccination campaign <hes> and if we want to extend the analogy even further we can compare people like C._I._A. Director Allen Dulles in his pin shot for authoritarian. It's like how like fascism spreading like a virus now because it's spreading like a virus in the Internet sense to like it is truly one in the same. I okay so so Robert <hes> how do how we fix it yeah. Oh and the answers will you know right. I really WanNa comment on that. I think it's it's deep yeah yeah anyway. That's what I got so far in our daily lives. It's something we fight not just by keeping an eye out on other people but by fighting the fascists within our own self by fighting like those authoritarian out of human prehistory in terms of how we fight fascism is that it's not something we fight by voting for the right person. It's something we fight on a day to day basis and persist in if there isn't discipline at every level of society to watch against it it will come back terrifying okay so so <hes> the calls coming from inside the House the whole time call the fascism has been coming from inside your brain this old time yeah okay good cake by bolt cutters the presidential then I'd be really excited about some of the people who have been in trump's cabinet because I would love to see Stephen Miller and Steve Bannon fighting with homemade. It's incredible. It's one tool that you can use against ashes. Pull your brain out. I think that really a good answer yeah. If we just adjudge bitch I try not to be but I will admit that I think when Kurt Vonnegut was a judgy bit. She was right to be judgy bitch. I mean yeah choose your moment's. It's like a thorough -Tarian Azam. It's not always the wrong fit like we have it like. It's useful in certain situations. <hes> you know if you've got well if you've got like a wildfire being smart is not worth it. I don't happen to hold of that idea but I'm willing to admit that Kurt Vonnegut was way smarter than I will ever be. He might have been right so it's I <hes> I. I don't think it's useful nearly as often as we use it but it's not useless elements but it has to be carefully controlled yeah okay yeah so like maybe if we're going to keep having presidents we execute every president after they finish their term of office and that way only people who are truly selfless into the void the hunger games if you're just killing the person at the top true true true still not still not <hes>. I've always seen Jahnke out the judgy bitch cortex from our brain aging tatters. That's you're pretty close to some things. Kurt vonnegut was theorizing about stint. There are certain kinds of hierarchy that you want in a military like our podcast like our podcast or like that's about it <hes> yeah I. I don't have more detailed solutions than that but <hes> the where my thinkings gone in the last eighteen months. Let's I'm cops. Yeah I mean constant suppression of the Judgy Bitch within is necessary. I keep up yeah caper taming base level. I haven't revisited that phase of Kurt vonnegut in a wild but sounds fun. You wouldn't agree with that because you are not keeper locked up until necessary yeah but there are moments where it's like oh there. She is just coming out where in that outfit sometimes right in doing that superheroes. The takeaways are dire but yeah. I've never heard it puts a simply like that well. I don't know if I'd call it succinctly. Evan talking fire. You need one person being like okay. You go here you go here. You go here like this is what we're going to try to do like our podcast like our podcast or like a military unit where to some extent homemade spears over a pit of lava blast that would be the fucking great scared petitioner would hide the whole time and then somehow win with a high in answer so of doing this podcast now you you all have to deal with it to sorry. I think it's good I think pull not the the got some game children. It's like members of the cabinet sick love it great now that would be amazing if at the end of for fifty nine minutes or so but I did my best. It was only one heart yeah. It was only one part only one part well. I would not about near the end of his life. He was like if we were just dumber. This would work so much better to just get a light lobotomy. Yeah yeah being oppose. Rate is save the fucking day well yeah. It's it's like she has balked news. She's got bolt cutters. Yeah they can be used for good or evil much Syrian impulses and urges that we all have because it's coded into our brain <hes> it's it's a constant battle that starts at the bottom and if it doesn't take the job now we're now. We're out into crazy crazy town. We're just getting herbs or something. Yeah that that that's fun. That's fun to think scarf referred the graphic novel <hes> story boarded I the whole time five feet beneath the ground which Zombie out yeah and just bonkers trump betsy devos just throttling each other with like fucking scarves taste. When does it end well. That's right are the hunger games. A good idea for society is the conclusion shot should give it a shot you too because this is just a whole new experience. I've never had where we can just make eye rolls to each other directly and then say what that is Robert Evans. I know agree to do two parts. Jamie wow yeah no. I was forced into doing this one part well. I'm glad that you were on Mike People. Listen to hell and gone. That's H. E. L. L. and gone on Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts uh-huh we would have gone out onto the <hes> the poisonous Belka sure the poison room cracked it open with my podcasting machete can't in instagram behind the bastards dot com for the sources for this pod <hes> he public. We have t shirts. We have totes. We have phone cases. Keep an eye out for creeping authoritarianism in your own daily life and try to shame some meat on your way home. If you'd like to humble Robert Please find me on Instagram Sophie assure you can listen to the Bekdil cast every Thursday feminists movie podcast or follow me on twitter at Jamie Loftus help or comes Michaud at Edinburgh fringe on twitter at at bastards pod because she runs a twitter so if you want to tell her to be less or more mean to me you can let her know but unreality the fight against the the the monster coded into our brains. Hitler's almost inevitable yeah. Oh those things in that in order. Please have the enters on my desk by Monday <hes> if there's a better symbol for creeping authoritarianism in the human spirit than the television show frazier I what if frazier were part of the fantastic four. That's the very question this t shirt explorers. Everyone think about that and also how do we it don't do that. Don't do that but do maybe a bolt. Cutters certainly keep eight. Okay thank you didn't create disgust in your voice is selling. I just think we could've titled it better at Bastards Pot on twitter and I found it yeah alright Jamie you WanNa plug. You Plug ables. We've couple of new new designs up there so check it out good stuff and they have sales like all the time <hes> yeah and <hes> you can find sophie hand. Yeah you do have a machete. That's that has says podcasting on the blade. I am wearing my throwing bagels aw and we have the same podcast. I didn't agree to that in my contracts but follow Robert on twitter. I radio sites of his. I don't WanNa say to me this instagram or shame shame shame. I don't Wanna I just don't enjoy the phrase size of meat and no I think that a meat shaming t shirt is called for at this point yeah. There's this Roberts yeah yeah serious influences here. The Meat Shaming story really is is GONNA so Texas. It's fucking amazing yeah enj- fest in Scotland. All I guess Yeah Right Yeah and <hes> Sophie you WanNa. Plug my plug ables because you're wrong. Underscore Ray underscore up underscores sunshine and let me know your opinions on Robert so I can tell it to him to face and make that's great that he doesn't know the sites right meet big. Please tell me how cute my dog all right well. This has been a rambling enough. The episode done go eagles behind the basket t shirt right now. I need to get one of those. I have one for you. Oh Yeah I'm wearing my what frazier were part of the fantastic four t shirt today <hes> what's that what's that curious chimpanzee. He seems like the right character. Yeah George Might Ellen gone and I'm heading back to Arkansas on a new case to find out what happened to Jamie Ward on September ninth nineteen eighty nine when there's no justice done it hurts a lot of how can you measure of Robert was here. I'd be I'd be. I rolled into a coma by their conscious. You just be tied up yeah. Yeah I love you. I would much rather story that you tell it to my daughter. would-be Katharine Townsend hosted the true crime podcast Helen as we have <hes> not bolt cutters but soon to be bolt cutters yeah we'd hire we have we have we ever couple not one of the things. I read a while back and have stuck with me ever since she turned into a challenge the shaming of the meet with <hes>.

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