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Madame Rachel Pt. 1: The Beauty of Lies

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48:40 min | 11 months ago

Madame Rachel Pt. 1: The Beauty of Lies

"Mary Tucker Borodino was not a happy woman she was old and she was alone her husband of twenty two years hand up and died on her yes he'd left his fortune but what was money with it Madam Rachel Down for good welcome to Con Artists Apar- cost original I'm your host Alistair Murdoch every week we peel back the layers of history's greatest deceptions until the stories of the hustlers swindlers and Fraud Jack. Mary recognized immediately that this heralded woman was Madame Rachel and she knew in eighteen sixties Victorian London. The pursuit of beauty was as potent as it is today however cosmetics were deemed improper and unseemly only to be used by actresses and sex workers still the desire for eternal youth remained selling exorbitantly priced bogus cosmetics to the very women she aimed to befriend next week we'll follow Matt and Rachel it Made Mary feel like a fool but today Mary might have discovered a solution in the west end of London she quickly to avoid any scandal women sought out beauty treatments in secret which made cosmetics the perfect hunting ground for on review wherever you're listening it really does help us this week we'll track the life and lies of the notorious Madam Rachel con artist like Madame Rachel women wouldn't dare to admit they paid for her services whether the products worked or not the shop was dimly lit silk scarves wrapped over the lamps giving them a mystical glow the air was perfumed Wynberg on a two year path that would leave her blackmailed bankrupt and broken and it would all be at the hands of the acclaimed with sandalwood and spices behind the counter stood and imposing woman dressed all in black a crystal talisman around her neck especially the dancers who wanted to partner with a sixty four year old widow when there were so many other beautiful young girls to choose from Boso known as Sarah Rachel Russell we'll look at how a woman from humble beginnings conned her way into the world of High Society by does the orchestrated them I'll dive into their psychology breakdown that tricks and explain why anyone might fool for con- you can find chance on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at Parkas network and if you enjoyed today's episode the best way to help is to leave a fight L. to transform women how to make them beautiful forever Merry Tucker Bora Dale was about as she moves on from just selling fake products to blackmail and how the victim of her biggest carnival would ultimately be the one to take Kassian golden hair wash of course such exclusive products came at a cost a high cost radiance that she claimed to have imported from Arabia she sold things like magnetic rock do water and so high society women the finest beauty treatments money could buy she won over client off to clients by rattling off rare and exotic purveyor of cosmetics to Her Majesty the Queen Herself Madame Personality Rachel was able to con rich gullible women into paying obscene amounts of money for her poisonous creations that matter Rachel's exotic cosmetics were for the most part bunk some of the more innocuous ingredients included sand and brand but she also regularly employed cyanide and even arsenic still with her infectious and mysterious associates of CON ARTISTS AND OLADIPO CAS originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream con artists for free on spotify just open stepped out of her carriage and into the shop at number forty seven a new bone street taking care that no one in the street so her face damp and tight cornutus in the search bar at podcast with grateful view our listeners you allow us to do what we love let us know how a doing re in the eighteen sixties and seventies Matt and Rachel discreetly operated a shop in the west end of London offering it was exploiting in her clients beauty long before she was known as Madame Rachel she was Sarah Rachel a sexual functions that Nineteenth Century Society came to regard them as the sex therefore if marriage and her neck for promotion her trusting demeanor and her lavish shop all made Rachel the face of the very thing spearation for eternal youth and attractiveness Madame Rachel provided just the kill also she promised era gender and Empire Bod by law and custom from entering trades and professions by which they could support themselves and restricted in the aw in Victorian England gender roles were completely divided as Susan Kingsley Kent described in her book Victorian Russell Rachel was born in eighteen fourteen and grew up on London's east end her father was described as a man much respect however this might have been an anti Semitic characterization added on later wants her criminal activity was revealed by his neighbors being of a very congenial turn of mind and a great humorist while we don't have many details on Rachel's family it's role is unclear in some accounts she was a sex worker herself eventually leading to a brief prison sentence but other accounts eminently was the only way for women to get ahead in the world it behoove them to be as beautiful as possible in that Chester England but he died shortly after in eighteen forty four Rachel married Jacob Moses a sailor but this Russian property women had only one means of livelihood thought of marriage women were so exclusively identified likely that they were Jewish there was an increase in Jewish immigrants in London's east end at the turn of the nineteenth century and her family was likely among them layment Rachel also went through a series of husbands in quick succession while she was still a teenager Rachel married a chemist assistant in men markets then moved on to selling secondhand clothes after that she set up a fried fish and potato shop in clam market she later had a brief edged Rachel was more akin to a pimp in these stories Rachel scouted out young theatre actresses and brought them to work at a nearby Rachel went through a number of jobs in her preteens through her early twenties she started out selling rabbit skins and glass bottles in St Brothel for each girl she received a finders fee Rachel tried anything she could do to make some money attempting to lift has self and her family out of a life of poverty but nothing proved all that profitable in addition to revolving door of employees union also dissolved some reports state that Moses was lost at sea in eighteen fifty nine while traveling home from Australia others claim that he deserted but the two never legally married this might have been an attempt to avoid judgments from their neighbors as they cohabitated because stint as a fortune teller telling fortunes in exchange for pennies she's also rumored to have been involved in the sex work industry though her exact is also likely that Rachel grow extremely poor and without a formal education illiterate and in need of money to help support her family her after Moses she moved in with a gentleman named Philip Levinson soon after they started living together Rachel took his last name income and fast in eighteen sixty an illness gave her the idea for a new business venture allegedly Rachel if these children have never been made clear by the late eighteen fifties in addition to losing to husbands Rachel had also given birth the fever Rachel likely would have felt self conscious about her cropped appearance however again the doctor came to her of turning it to account her shaved head made Rachel feel ugly and embarrassed now she was the most beautiful I needed Rachel Adult Levinson's last name but so did her seven children while the identities the fathers of each thick hair that reached down their backs in some cases even reaching the floor therefore once she was cured from whatever eight as described in the extraordinary life and trial if Madame Rachel quote the medical man to pacify her under the glossier and Kearlier than it was before she let her dog shiny waves of hair flow loosely down her back for all to see ahead this would have been somewhat demoralizing and traumatizing for Rachel as long hairs a staple of Victorian beauty seven children six girls and a boy even with Levinson's help she needed a more reliable showing off her thick gleaming locks she claimed that after just a few weeks not only had her hair returned but it grew in thicker formula and some of the knowledge she learned from her first husband the chemist's assistant Rachel replicated the hair south and bottled it for sale severe loss told her not to minded that he would give her something that should make her hair grow rapidly and be more beautiful than ever beautiful and they could be to of course the story was a complete fabrication Rachel's Head I was never shaved her hair wasn't magic the south didn't work but it didn't matter when she recovered from the fever strange to say nature was so bountiful that her had grew most wonderfully fast at lustrous Madame Rachel Purveyor of cosmetics to Her Majesty the Queen was born King Down with a terrible fever that lost it several weeks to treat it or perhaps just to make more comfortable the doctor shaved now back to the story in eighteen sixty one forty which she was so delighted that she asked the doctor for the recipe which he gave her and now she like a worldly woman began to think Rachel styled herself as a cosmetic evangelist compelled to share the good news of her miracle with the women of London she was she'd ever been in her life she realized that she had to share this wonder cure with the world using the Doctors Richard Kuklinski and the Co ed killer Ed Kemper along the way we'll highlight the psychological political and emotional factors hi it's alistair I wanted to take a moment to tell you about my new show called villains while the fashion of the time had women style their hair up twisting braiding and pinning it on top of the head most women had long business venture came a new name she started calling herself Madame Rachel this wasn't just a reshuffling of her Rachel made a killing and it opened the door to an entirely new business venture less than a year later the coming up Madam Rachel opens her I shop and attracts high society clients with her knockoff cosmetics the names it was another layer of the con- Elizabeth Felix was a popular French actress at the time better known by her stage name name Mademoiselle Rachelle she was a staple figure in French high society and widely regarded as the best actress of her time incredibly excited about it every Friday villains focuses on a different real or fictional bad guy for fictional villains we'll discuss the social described powder in three variations `blanche for feskens natural for dark complexions and Rachelle who influences that led to the character's creation for real villains we'll tell the true story of that dark deeds and explain what drove them to evil mm-hmm Rachel set up a booth in an outdoor market in London's covent garden she told everyone who stopped by about her triumph over her shame open about her own struggles with beauty Rachel was able to quickly connect with women on the street zeroing in on their personal insecurities she was so notorious that French cosmetic companies named a shade of foundation powder after her an advertisement in a French beauty magazine member Rachel never had any formal education. She was completely illiterate when she needed to write a letter or advertisement she was forced eighty seven year old. Sarah Rachel Russell Levinson opened a cosmetic shop offering exotic products to the women of London with this new you'll hear episodes on characters like Don Vito Corleone and no country for old man's Anton sugar as well as real life villains like the ice man these synonymous with makeup and Beauty Rachel exaggerated her backstory as Madame Rachel she now claimed she was a member of high society that spawned both real and fictional villains give it a listen and follow villains for free on spotify and anyway you listen to podcasts thank you dictate the words to one of her children but while we wouldn't call Rachel Book Smart She was certainly street-smart growing up hustle eventually she claimed to invent the ointment has self not giving the doctor any credit whatsoever and the more outrageous the story Rachel realized how immense desire for beauty was the world opened up to her she realized she could sell pretty much anything has she perfected her story Rachel's fever transformed into an illness that brought her and her entire family to the brink of Death Ranan was far from the humble life sever Rachel Levinson was actually leading this gave her legitimacy in the salesperson people kept buying sensing the potential to appeal to a broader audience. Rachel was a promise beautiful forever however during her reign Queen Victoria pronounced cosmetics to be bottles of every sort of essence homemade and cosmetic were ranged on shelves within gloss stores interspersed with mosques boxes for use by artificial light like under the gas lights in a theater in addition to aligning herself with someone who has already so long as the story behind it was compelling enough she stole this over and over again in the first year of selling the hair south vulgar and unladylike fit only for the theater or the brothel this didn't so much dampen women's desire to us is of her clients how she was already rubbing shoulders with the elite that meant she was already sharing beauty secrets with them if her right show with then offer them the solution to all of their problems in the form of a lotion cream ornament once impersonal and letting them in on the most powerful secret there is how to achieve beauty by being vulnerable and tea and friends with those at the upper echelon of the elite she boasted about her friendships with wealthier aristocrats the circle Madam Rate Mayfair in eighteen sixty to forty eight year old Matt and Rachel opened up her own salon on London's Bond Street in the heart of Mayfair it was the shopping district for royalty and the aristocracy deepening her mythos as the beautician to the elite name the more of an absolute miracle her luscious flowing locks appeared to be she was such a skilled rouge or blush cold or eyeliner and foundation powder except for the most high quality and expensive brands makeup but it encourage them to do it in secret makeup in the Victorian era was pretty crude there were really only three product in retail culture catering to their needs and desires advertisements women's magazines and proliferation of shops brought the message to women decided to set her sights beyond covent garden if she really wanted to profit off of beauty there's only one place in London to be in being in the west end gave her a formidable education she had a knack for reading people drawing them in with her charm and warm then men that fashion was attainable and affordable to those who had not been able to worship at its altar before Madame Rachel Hill Madame Rachel and beauty west synonymous one advertisement that ran in London's morning post read quote in kind of product instead of selling makeup to cover up ugliness Matt and Rachel Offered Revolutionary Treatments guaranteed to enhance makeup had the tendency to look Gordy and fake British women were better served pinching their cheeks or biting their lips to add a touch of color to their face windows shaded by screens they wore heavy cloaks and scarves disguising themselves so as not to be recognized once inside description lists for the supply of costly Arabian preparations for the restoration and preservation of female loveliness admit to using cosmetics that trips to bond street were conducted in absolute secrecy women arrived in covered carriages the woman's natural beauty and ensure that it lasted forever notes only did Matt and Rachel offer a unique service block explained in her article Madame Rachel in the Victorian review quote the decade of the eighteen sixties was a high point in the material is for patches bunches of false hair powder puffs curling irons and wrath emblazoned atop the door of her salon companionship. Mary tried to be social attending balls in theater but they just made her feel more lonely most of the time Israel and commercial culture of this consumption oriented century despite rhetoric about the safety of the domestic sphere Middle Class Women Beautiful Women Matter Rachel begs to inform her lady patronises -bility the aristocracy that she has opened her annual fee is to cater to insisting that products that were once thought to be luxury items were now actually staple commodities as Tammy is if they also wanted to adhere to the Victorian directive of subtlety this covert approach cosmetics led to the advent of a difference literate herself she likely realized that a picture could still communicate plenty it didn't take long for the wealthy the more middle class customers wanted to look like they're high class counterparts Madame Rachel was the woman who could give it to them put her store on Bond Street was described as quote a little cupboard differ room sent it with a compound of every imaginable perfume this but she opened her shop at a time when advertising was in its infancy with the emergence of a new middle class capitalism found a new audience worked and now they finally had an answer to their problems in Madame Rachel because none of these women would ever publicly Joel was one of the first aestheticians to wage a steady ad campaign filling London newspapers with bulletins about her shop and not women she called upon to begin showing up in holds these high society women will desperate for beauty products that were she even advertised in the form of cartoons depicting the miraculous change that women could experience from her services seeing that Rachel was Madam Rachel shop they were greeted by overwhelming beauty. Modern Rachel shop on Bond Street was as lush last VICI- and luxurious as the women catered to the smell of incense flow through the Air Middle Eastern decorations doors the walls evoking the faraway lands where Madame Rachel's ingredients had traveled from the proprietor herself greeted each customer in Colossus was by her attractiveness as women's bodies were slowly ravaged by the disease it caused a number of symptoms it was seen as the standard of beauty such as thinness and Pale skin it also gave some women naturally rosy cheeks red list many beauty standards emulated or highlighted these effects among the upper class one of the ways people judged a women's predisposition to Madam Rachel capitalized on the style of consumptive chic with enamelling providing women with the Pale porcelain look they desired ups and sparkling is but these were actually symptoms of a chronic low grade fever caused by illness all had extravagant names most linked in some way to the region they were allegedly from there was the Armenian beauty wash the facsimile of which is used by the Royal European brides the cost one hundred to one thousand Guineas Kim Rachel offered a miracle cure that could improve the appearance of both the more expensive the products the more outland possessed she offered over sixty different treatments and products grouped into seven categories washes for the complexion enamelling in the Victorian era women tried to mimic a Pale Horse Lynn white complexion this standard of beauty was influenced aw making people believe the products were legitimate. Perhaps Madam Rachel's most famous treatment was a high price service she called were reflective of the rare ingredients that made up the cosmetics Rachel was able to help keep her con hidden by charging more not shillings at a pound and beginning referred to one pound and one shilling one pound in eighteen sixty four had the buying power of approximately N- dish the name for example one of her perfumes the Royal Arabian toilets of beauty as arranged by Madame Rachel for the Sultan of Turkey wants to face was smooth she doused it with an alkaline wash this was followed by a slathering a thick white paste filling in any wrinkle powders for the complexion dente forces and mouthwashes have preparation creams for the face Royal Arabians nope and perfumes they ranged in price from five shillings to several hundred Guineas for reference there at twenty assist and Victorian fashion the Victorians Romanticize the disease and the effects it caused in the gradual build to death for decades up to a year second she used fear mongering implying that a woman's beauty could be forever tarnished if they left it in you of the Sahara said to have been brought straight from the African desert this product would not only bring color back to head that a turn gray wrong hands only Madame Rachel on Bond Street could handle this treatment correctly it was an effective campaign nick and skillful treatment her words and messaging were highly effective when Rachel spoke people listened one hundred twenty six pounds or one hundred fifty five dollars today to make the product seem worthy of their high price tag they she became synonymous with beauty and with her endearing personality she was quick to make any customer loyal to her the prices for these products were steep but many people in the early eighteen sixties in Mayfair believes that the high prices in town offering the service but her marketing materials clearly implied that her method was the best one she used a combination of for those that followed her expert advice the pamphlet Promised Eternal Youth and beauty of course every step of the tree rush and Voila good is new it only cost you twenty guineas or roughly one thousand five hundred pounds today the process was as follows first Rachel use different caustic lotions to remove any Velez hes- from the face but it would also promote a more youthful appearance to those who are aging with hair being both a symbol of beauty and of Status Matt Tactics to get her message across I she over promised alleging that her enamelling treatments would last much longer than her competitors lead coming up Madam Rachel moves from hustling beauty products to blackmail the crevices or lines on a person's face once everything was filled in she covered her work with a quick powder at a hint of Empress Eugenie the wife of Emperor Napoleon the third she was highly regarded as one of the most beautiful women of the era she regaled and Madam Rachel was soon renowned for her enamelling work allegedly wealthy women traveled all the way from America to receive how the clientele was stories about have friendships with famous actresses and royalty Rachel also frequently lied about her age Ella people were in all of Madame Rachel and as her reputation grew so did her specifically mayfair the unspoken purpose of the London season was for young women to meet and marry young wealthy for any woman who took their future seriously. If you weren't going to see Madame Rachel it implied that you just weren't interested. She kept them coming back for treatment after treatment her busiest time of year was undoubtedly the London season this claiming she was in her sixties instead of her fifties this was a subtle tactic to demonstrate just how effective her products were best beauty treatments money could buy of course most of these treatments were no more effective than snake oil but Madame Rachel new for Life Madame Rachel impressed her customers with her connections telling them that she worked as a perfume supplier for the Queen as well as the use of her cosmetic services was as unspoken as the courtship she quickly became a clandestine destination a twenty four page pamphlet entitled Beautiful Forever It provided an overview of recommended regimen and tips on beauty bill now back to the story by eighteen sixty four fifty rolled matt and Rachel was running a small cosmetic Royal Arabian face cream the honey of mount high mattis so one of her most popular products was magnetic rock uh for an additional fee Rachel started making house calls for certain clients with the help of her eldest daughter she created implant required one of her 'cause medic products and the pamphlet could only be purchased at Madame Rachel Shaw it was a best Ut was even higher Madame Rachel was there to help the many young women look their best during the season of course Tula's because of the intense pressure young women were under to compete with one another and earned the affections of a potential suitor the value placed on children that she hadn't had in her youth she spent top Dolla to send her children to the best schools her only son David in competing with the elite money poured in from eighteen sixty two to eighteen sixty eight ostad from February to August it signaled the time of year when members of high society left their states in the country and traveled to London Eh it was with the enamelling process that advertising was particularly successful for Madame Rachel she wasn't the only shot Madam Rachel was said to have been bringing in thousands of pounds a week this afforded her enough money to purchase a box at Coventry by one of the most common illnesses of the age consumption or Tequila as Emily Mullen described in her article on tobacco compiler thanks to a savvy marketing campaign high class women from all over the world flocked to her shop on Bond Street in London to receive the Auden a carriage and some horses most importantly to Rachel it offered her an opportunity to provide an education to her how to play 'em Victorian women's immense desire to be beautiful and stay that way forever once she hooked to customer enjoying a life unlike any she could have dreamed of in her youth by now she was more than just a shopkeeper in mayfair she was and as we've established the things they were buying came with high price tags ironically women purchase these lotions and creams in an F. in shopping madame Rachel's didn't have any money or property of their own it all belonged to the husband in accordance with the customs of the era I went to a highly regarded medical school in London Ellen one of her daughter's studied opera in England and Italy other worldly possessions things women could give away without their husbands noticing Rachel told customers that she would hold onto the item worth but Madame Rachel ever the cunning entrepreneurship created a way around these obstacles she offered her the lives that had children lead and the education they received was a far cry from the upbringing Madame Rachel had and Rachel has self was now became more of a reality all thanks to her magical cosmetics it's important to note that the Wind Madam Rachel knew full well that her request to be paid back in full wouldn't be possible but that wasn't the point Madam Rachel Regimen became too much for their husbands to maintain they were effectively cut off this would have been aliens unlimited credit at her store all she required a small deposit as collateral if a customer couldn't pay incredibly distressing to them without Rachel's products how could they maintain their beauty without their beauty how could they maintain their aren't of Mayfair society she met all the young women and mothers who came to London each year for the season has successful the women that came into her shop where buying large spending their husbands money many without his knowledge or permission metrics operation allowed her to live a life that was now quite similar to the lives of their clientele the grandiose lifestyle she would boast about public shaming of being exposed for purchasing cosmetics which was still very much taboo with her meticulous accounting notes matter collateral items had disappeared the jewels were long gone a distant memory she the entire some for their French blossom cream and alabaster powder Rachel opened a tab for them while this seems common practice today Siklie no recourse they couldn't go to their husbands without admitting they continue to purchase items behind his back they also risk the natual had all the black males she needed to expose these women making certain their reputations would never recover and in exchange for the rest she asked them to provide an item of collateral this was often in the form of expensive jewels ever the understanding woman Rachel gave these customers another option they could pay as much as they were able to their outstanding ballots show making her seem generous and only engendered more loyalty from Clients Hell Rachel kept meticulous accounting notes of you never had any intention of returning the collateral items to customers and the women she scammed had it to remain attractive to their spouses but at a huge cost to them for some women the cost of them and Rachel New This instead most women quietly accepted the false bill and paid up not wanting to risk in an era of credit cards operating on credit wasn't typical of business owners in the early eighteen sixty's this reflected positively on rate fulfil that vanity seeing another money making opportunity she allegedly cut out holes in the walls of the bathing rooms allowing provided along with her silence the box also provided Rachel with another revenue stream anyone who scheduled to see ultra-conservative society women paid hush money to keep Rachel from revealing that they used her cosmetic services they'd pay Austin till they were able to pay the rest of what they owed her however when her customers finally paid off their account oftentimes you're to her beauty shop in many ways the baths functioned like a modern day spahn designed to promote health and beauty benefits fostered by the minerals and everything once a customer had racked up a hefty amount of debts in her ledger. Rachel asked the woman to make a payment if she wanted to keep her credit who's in the ultra conservative Victorian era Madame Rachel offer women the same discretion to have their sexual desires met as she did tests shady tactics didn't stop there in addition to black mailing her customers Madame Rachel sent falsified bills to clients beauty grace and loveliness Mary saw an opportunity to cure the loneliness she

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Napoleon's Invasion of Russia

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39:54 min | 3 months ago

Napoleon's Invasion of Russia

"Have you ever seen him in the same room? Coup Jeffrey Epstein and Jamal Kashogi. They don't even look alike. Yeah, exactly strange coincidence read was that they don't even look alike. They're both dead. Both interesting! Is it not no, it's the least interesting thing I've ever heard. Oh Hey guys. You are just in time to see me win this game of access in allies. Napoleonic, addition I wold eleven, Tom. You lose fourteen infantry hand three Canaan guys game socks you got. You got to play a game. Yeah, he hates fun things yeah, well. He's trying to get me to throw out that script. I was writing for the trust campus owed for a long time, so he offered to play a game with me. If I took a break from it, are you? Are you sure the pieces aren't edible? If he charge not at double screens Arc's gall, so he's playing the Napoleon game with you access knowledge Napoleon. Nobody cares boop what? Was it your idea for him to wear the Napoleon outfit as part of this. No, no, he actually he just came into the studio in that it's not a Polian. It's captain crunch. from the crunch Berry wars. Read a book whatever? Hello and welcome to citation needed the podcast where we a subject read a single article about it on Wikipedia and pretend we're experts, because this is the Internet, and that's how it works now I'm no illusions and I'm going to be leading this expedition this week, but I'll need somebody to carry me once the frostbite sets in, so I'm excited to welcome the three men that I would most like to. Climb into like at Taunton in that order seat so. I'm like third row seating Tonton. Just. Holding. That's a couple years. I'M NOT GONNA. Make any jokes about stuffing my Gash because I'm too classy are waves. Good to know that you're too classy for. Quick before we get any further, I want to remind you that allies not here this week because he's at home taking care of his brand new adorable, little baby, who sued future of is almost entirely dependent on the continued viability of podcasting for a living during the Great Depression level economic downturn. Pay For this show if you want to. He's like. Of the shell that out of the way, tell us heath, what person place thing concept phenomenon or abet? We'll be talking about today. We're GONNA. Be Talking about Napoleon's invasion of Russia. And seasonal. You seem pretty confident. You can take a topic this big. Are you ready to set off underprepared overconfident? It's how we roll on citation needed. Are we also invading Russia, I have my kids this weekend time to invade Russia. Time for an impromptu livestream, little owner. WHO's got impromptu? Alright so I guess depending on what angle you want to take with the intro. Who Was Napoleon. What is an invasion of where is? A. The police and the police apart was the emperor of France and the only French emperor to get exiled the two different islands. There! They were only three and one of rain for fifteen days. Okay, that's okay, so I could I could certainly go on about how interesting this guy was, and the changes that he brought about I mean the Napoleonic code is the foundation of the French legal system, but this is citation needed, and and one the Polian advocating his throne and getting exile pretty much on brand. The reason why all that took place is the real juicy morsel. This story is about how the most feared military leader of the time basically got rope adoped by a smaller army. Me Let. It's Shitty. Terrain and climate do the heavy lifting of kicking Napoleon's ass. It's about how you can really use someone strengths against them. Actually Steven Seagal worked with the Russian army while he was. Yeah. Huge like this would remain Russia's most lopsided victory until November of two thousand sixteen. And now too soon too soon. Oh! I love the idea Stevenson Confirm Napoleon's army just runs. It runs at Russia with their arm, sticking straight up. There is flipping wildly in every direction, so let's set the stage. Napoleon is doing pretty well as far as emperor does. He's kicked the shit out of Prussia and Austria, and he made a deal with the Spanish to secretly let him move troops through Spain to invade Portugal the Portuguese royalty had to flee to Rio de Janeiro to escape him then since he already. Already had a bunch of troops in Spain, decided to overthrow that country as well in eighteen, hundred Napoleon appointed his brother, Joseph Bonaparte as King of Spain, and that didn't sit too well with the Spanish, so they revolted qual. Yeah, but like no one of the Spanish, it's entirely possible. They had already scheduled that revolt before to pull. It took over as you. Say, Anyway! To be entirely fair season to overthrow Spain you just have to wait until like. Two thirty in the afternoon. You can tell the napping. That's the best added. A national. I love that we make fun of it, but it's a seriously the greatest. Make Fun because I'm jealous. Shell? built-in it's fucking great. So I, WanNa take a second here to talk about the tactics that Napoleon us on the battlefield, and in organizing his army and Planning Battles Napoleon had an amazingly large army. He called it. The Grand Army and Grand French means fucking big. I'm a linguist like Steven, seagal the first. Thing! He did is to make smaller cores large army. These units could fight and command on their own, because they had regiments from each combat arm, the cores had artillery infantry and cavalry, and could act like a smaller army, allowing it to move faster and with autonomy. Okay, so it sounds a lot like a subway franchise with like a less deplorable spokes. By the way every time you wrote. Grind are may I saw our Miana `grande. This led to two other things that the Napoleonic armies did the first is that they lived off the land instead of trying to maintain supply lines. Most armies, especially army's this is required pretty formidable supply lines to keep the troops fed well. Napoleon would live off the land as much as he could. Thereby eliminating the lifelines how there that was often highly vulnerable this tactic as well as breaking his army up into smaller pieces, a lot of another advantage, his army was more mobile and quicker than other armies, this a lot in the maneuver, and take advantage in this quick speed, allowed him to move past armies, and take their supply lines, putting them in a rock and hard place situation. It must have been awkward. The first time both armies figure this out to. Switch sides all of a sudden without realizing. Hey, you guys don't have a supply linebacker. Again me. Regular fight marching in circles for a while like dogs sniffing each other out. I'm like nearby I'm looking. Nepali was also a genius with mathematics and artillery hugh smaller, more mobile field guns instead of large cannons during battle this again made us force more mobile and Agile. He used his artillery for a cluster effect. He would point a lot of guns at one area, decimating it instead of pointing his cannon at the whole field in spreading it out this helped with flanking and splitting his enemy apart, which were his preferred form of battlefield tactics. Okay, that's good. I feel like they're stretching the term math genius. Z. Cannons in the Middle Imogene. Getting, it's like. Okay weapons messes low unwieldy and credibly inaccurate. We should probably not read them like enormous sniper. Until. Let's get back to the Spanish in our story about the French invasion of okay. Okay I never do that to you by the way. Always I was crossed. Sit Cross legged at your feet. On. Napoleon goes in takes over the country pretty much without bloodshed, and then seeing it's enhanced. He leaves well when they revolted, they started a guerrilla war, and that's is not playing the tactics. That I described before Napoleon's used to kick in the shit out huge armies, not having his troops get their throats slit in the night, so Spanish started winning battles against his armies, and he wasn't there. He eventually had enough gathered a quarter million troops in March through Spain and took it back over, but the damage to his reputation was done countries in his forced alliance thought that he looked vulnerable. Paintings he was. What a massive occupying force completely demoralized by a rag tag group of personally invested local militants. I'm glad we study history and hate to have. That egg on our face again. Again. And again. Russia at this point. Has a peace treaty with France, but they're struggling financially. The system of trade that Napoleon institutes basically forbids countries to trade with Britain. Russia disregards this order in trades with them, and there are some other territory disputes, but the real reason for the invasion is for one big tough guy to show the other big tough guy who's. So on. twenty-fourth, Eighteen, twelve, two hundred and eight years ago. Today Napoleon starts his invasion. Okay, all right. Does anyone else just think we should have to say history out loud a few times a year? As we all. Get getting. Square to recite it. Start to finish every year yeah. All wrap voting. A. Now, there's lots of different numbers for the size of the French forces. It varies between half a million to six hundred, thousand of seen even seven, hundred and fifty thousand. A this grand army is it's called. It was stocked up to last about thirty days with provisions, and as I mentioned before. That's really not much of a problem. When Napoleon conducted this kind of military activity in central Europe is, horses could live off the land. He's in for just a slight surprise in Russia though. You don't when we think of Russian president picture a fat Guy No. Such a dumb move going to Russia right away like that. Everybody knows you start with Australia there. There's another. And then you move over to Africa South America. Risk. The bridge. Army, the size is also an ecological disaster. I mean you have a military force of the population? This is a modern day Atlanta marching across the land. The lack of clean water pretty much immediately creates a dysentery epidemic. In fact, it wasn't the only illness that would wreak havoc on the French forces. They had to contend with typhus, influenza and Diptheria Oh and the elements and the lack of supplies, but we'll get there. Yeah, no to be clear. The guys who like died from Diptheria right up front the lucky ones. and. See so when I read your essay the first time I thought you, said elephants, instead of elements and I got like. Rose. Do Hannibal next week for you. I was I was pretty jazzed. Only time we've read an elephant. We killed it on this show. Right I don't think. We murdered at send. You know what that's what they did. To to have elephants anymore that guy from Brooklyn Brooklyn. Can't talk about it even though it's right in the room. And The rose army. The Russian armies led by Michael Andreas Barclay to totally now in the things I've read. They've shortened his name down to Barklay. So that's home and refer to him. He's in charge of one hundred, thousand, one, hundred thirty thousand Russian soldiers, so he's outnumbered about four to five to one and it at at a certain point, he's replaced by the czar, but really he's the reason that Napoleon fails that overconfidence and under planning and the fact Napoleon is French, but. One of the reason because he knew how to minimize disadvantages and maximizes advantages and the biggest advantage had was that. Russia is not terribly hospitable. Well I right, but like French rudeness didn't slow down the Nazis. Not Terribly hospitable. That is the nicest way to say shit whole country. I think. So the grand army. Starts this expedition in summer, so they're packed for hot weather, but they weren't prepared for how ungodly hot it was going to get. The heat on the trail was oppressive. They never give an exact temperature, but they use words like stifling an intense. The troops also weren't ready for the temperature swing between night and day the temperature drop like a rock when the sun went down in the army wasn't prepared for that the also not happy. Again. You know when that Sun goes down. Just a Russian. The temperature swings I guess were really dramatic. Like yeah, yeah, so it's really it's a dramatic swing. They also weren't expecting the thunderstorms that soaked the road and turned in a muck. Because a half, a million people walked over, so it might at this point actually saved us some trouble. If you just narrowed this down to what they were expecting owner. Who's just like what if it rains shut up? What Shoe Shara Pierre I saw? The thing was seven sunny. Smiley faces on. The. What do I wear? APP and it doesn't say anyth- coming like a long sleeved T. Forecast not even accurate. Now I'm going to bring one. I don't WANNA pack two Layers? Layers? Room for a second pair of shoes anyway, so here's a quote from historian Richard Ryan. Quote the thunderstorms of the twenty fourth turned into other downpours, turning the tracks some dire claim, there were no roads in Lithuania into bottomless Myers wagons sunk up to their hubs. Horses drop from exhaustion. Men lost their boots as soon as it was autumn. All the wagons became obstacles that forced men around them and stop supply wagons and artillery columns, then came the sun, which would bake deep ruts into canyons of concrete, were horses would break their legs and wagons, their wheels and quote go. You're making wars sound like a huge bummer. Alright well I guess while we pause for a moment of remembrance for all the lost boots that somehow made it into the. Little Apropos of nothing. His Eye Napoleon, Bonaparte. Emperor false and soon to be conqueror of A. Company telling them. Lucid Goose Yeah. Yeah yeah about that. Who Are you? I'm you I'm Napoleon like you, but without the accent from the. Is Ozzy future okay. Tell me. ME. What gloves await me after my. Inevitable and swift defeat of. You're right, so that's why I'm here. You Might WanNA rethink. A few things. Really like what okay so you know, we're French and we basically invented food. We like took over Spain, and the topics were just terrific. We mixing it up. To take cluster little. Z. Ham in Spain is worth it just for them. Yeah, yeah, so have you. Have you ever said these words? Hey, there's a great new Russian place that just opened up. No no I have not. Not Necessarily Jira. Well! You're saying you're. You're planning to feed your army on Russian land scraps. You might want to look at the menu. Men Are. The best sell. Just France has to offer I. got eat there frogs if we have to go without butter will lead a bag even if they are A. Day Old and starting to get. The to. Currency. We re not afraid of a little hardship, even playing. Yeah, right, you might want to. Pack an extra lunch on? Scoff at you at me. I scoff it. US. FOR NEVER SURRENDER! Launch Shantonu motto. But. Nothing. And we're back. We last left off. The Earth had literally opened up to swallow the bottom half of Napoleon's army. and. Backing up some more. You pick up the threat from. Pretty. quickly, band story no. The Russian general new outnumbered, and he also knew that he didn't have the quick artillery or the modern weapons of the grand army, so he did not rush up to face off against them. Instead he retreated to villainous with an eye to continue retreat to another town called Drissa. The entire way they employed scorched earth techniques, burning down structures and chasing away livestock. They basically took away Napoleon's ability to thrive off the land in the fridge. Show up to burn our cities revealed. Surprise. Guy. Sh-. Ruin our country to save it. Would you look at all this? This looks like a swamp. Did we move to Lithuania? Should we just let him have? Napoleon thought he'd catch the army of villainous, and he'd have one quick decisive battle, and if he beat the Russians bad enough, and they would sue for peace, allowing to get the spoils of war and finish the campaign quickly his march there through the countryside Lithuania was not pleasant. Still True. Today your. The country bucket list. The country was inhospitable marshy and sparsely populated tracks. Yeah, on your bucket list, so look at so when his troops arrived in villainous, they were tired, hungry and road worry guys. What do they even trading with Britain like cold mud? Dan. Talking about. Napoleon arrives in villainous on June twenty eighth, and it's deserted, so he sets up a depot for supplies, but while the major Russians departs to Drissa another contingent heads in the other direction, this smaller force behind and basically disrupts Napoleon supply lines using his own tactic against him when Napoleon would at time send forces after each of these armies. And when he dedicated trips to them, they would attack in Harry in the other direction, right? It's like monkey in the middle, but with death. It's very low stakes monkey in the middle. Dude. Fuck I did. So, while Barklay was effective, depriving Napoleon of any supplies, and encouraging him to exhaust and his troops, he was not popular as you can imagine the brave Sir Robin tactics employing. We're not going over well with the Russian nobility. All of whom thought he was doing an absolute shit job in. Even though they were outnumbered, they should fight like men had on Barclay Barclay after this is all over. We'll be known as a hero by a lot of Russians, but when it's happening, everyone was begging the czar to replace him. Okay, what's happening that care so much like French people making fun of the Russians on, twitter. Other playing field other getting phone chat. Barclay's forces retreat to dress up by July tenth. He leaves a rearguard dangling hate that so. Toilet paper a okay, all right getting into photo that stopped. Trying to get Napoleon to take the bait and follow him. He thinks stress is a good place to make a stand put Napoleon's not stupid and I can see that Barclays trying to set the hook, so he ignores Barclay and he heads towards Moscow now this whole time his troops are starving. People are literally keeling over on the side of the trail from a forced march. Okay, we need you to March until you're half dead, but remember you're GonNa have to March back when we're. A. The crazy thing is that Napoleon focused on victory that he ignores the fact that is supply chain is literally doing its job. They're placing within a few miles of the route tons of food for his troops, but he ignores it, or it doesn't occur to him, or he's so focused on moving forward. He doesn't want want to slow up. Whatever the reason he neglects the food and his troops die because of it. How like crime on this giant Palette of canned food? So you could see the enemy. Bush then. Now Wallace troops are dying from starvation. There is enough grazing land for the horses, but the horses are actually eating types of grass. They're not accustomed to eating, so they're getting digestion issues and. Digestion issues for a horse or a little complicated. But they have like this real easy fix you see you. Stick your whole arm up to the shoulder in the horse's ass. Out The blind. Yacht. Up to the shoulder, horse's ass, pull out the blocks. The length of your arm again, I! Guess, it's just you know. What if you have a short arm? What do you do? Get a guy with a longer arm over here? Your horse is going to be matched to the length of your legs. This makes sense guys. So one time I fuck it, t rex arms would come in. Guy He. Region. Reach something for? something. Embarrassing, that I can't get the bulls down from the top shelf. At least you have to stick my arm up this horse. So I'm not sure how tight fit it is, but but after a few times it's probably pretty apple Lusa off right in. APPALOOSAS Kinda horse audience. Biscuit. Your? Your hands are so colt. Here's the thing. Somebody had to figure that out for the first time. Somebody was like. Oh, the horses are having digestion problems. I'M GONNA. Try some. Plan I've tried to eight animals. It hasn't worked yet, but Dan. It's good. You know what I'm buying. March behind party horse. Now that I think. I think. In your head up to your solution, we were still infringe. That's your solution a lot. Big Arm Steve. Barkley sees that Napoleon is heading in a different direction. The pulling Napoleon is heading to a town, called Smolensk so Barkley heads there first and sets up some fortifications. The orders from above are basically begging Barklay to engage, so he digs in any weights, but when Napoleon does show up Barclay fights for a bit. Artillery barrage kills about five thousand charging Frenchman, and then issues a controlled retreat. He abandoned the city, which the French had already burned to the ground with an artillery barrage, and he crossed the river, destroying the bridges to the French couldn't easily follow the losses for this battle range, but authors put them as high as twenty thousand for each side. Damn and he's just like man I can't wait to defeat those Russians and all these burnt out. Of starving, villagers will become French burnt out hus- starving. Villagers we will know the sweet taste. We wait I don't know. Now Oh. We trade mud with Britain trade. Back to square one. Napoleon stops in Smolensk. He holds a meeting with his generals to talk about the plan. Almost all of them WANNA wait there. The battle took place in mid August, so they figured that they would wait for the supplies to catch up to them. Resupply restock dig in for the long Russian winner and resume the invasion in the Spring Napoleon decides instead that he wants to pursue the Russians and abandoned. Smolensk heading for Moscow the generals. They're like I don't want to take a gap year. Right I want to be red-shirted. Maybe a backpack around. Brecker, What could go wrong with a major leader doesn't listen to his general. It's actually one one general. I didn't put this in but one general one, Polish general was wanted to finish, so he could become like some kind of barren or king of some area, and so he was really pushing Napoleon and I guess he had his ear, and he twisted enough and I. Think the point. Yeah. It was one Polish guy really who sort of twisted it all up. Now until this point, there's lots of little battles that took place and I've skipped over them I. Mean I call him little battles? But these skirmishes were one side loses under ten thousand men, six, thousand, here, three thousand there, but at Borodino the army's would clash in their full might well dude. I have heard such a cavalier dismissal of thousands of deaths in. Jesus camp announced Georgia's timeline of reopening. Since Georgia's bowling schedule got released. Exactly. To be tirelessly fair Noah like Russia. Losing ten thousand lives is like it's not even noteworthy. It's like if this is like a WHO cares less about Russian lives, contests between the Russians and. Anyone, ever in all of history, Russia's win and. Many of those contracts. That's solution. Now I, said earlier, the full might the armies, and I say for my at Borodino Napoleon and already lost two hundred twenty thousand troops to hunger disease in conflict, so his phone force at this point is much smaller than when he entered Russia. Also before the battle, the czar replace. Barklay with another General Mikhail could've could've basically does the same thing Barkley does fortifies position waits for Napoleon to March. At the Battle Board Dino. There's a lot of back and forth. I could go into the tax, but there's there's placing of troops encountering charging and dying you are. A little bit, not much I was GONNA. Talk about how they use this one line of tree anyway so the. I don't want to get into England. TWIT! Okay, it was macbeth. Burns! Exactly Ninety used as a dream us to to make sure that they could anyway so the initial setup by the Russians tried to learn Polian to have him perform a tactic of the lie to employ, and thus fall into a trap Napoleon avoids it Napoleon, and could also guest wrong about where the other place their troops, cavalry and artillery. Like, okay, you guys are nowhere near the Big Red X. Most standing there and to safes fall right, DEX. At the end of the day there were seventy thousand, and this is one day seventy thousand casualties for both sides was the bloodiest day in the Napoleonic wars, and you know the funny thing about seventy thousand casualties in a single day is. The kind of sentence opening. It's my job to finish this journey. I'm going to say. This job started with the holiday more I just want. Now, the Russians lost more troops, but since they were on Russian soil, it would take a lot more casualties for them to like technically lose, they could replenish a lot easier than the French okay, but to be clear. It's not replenished their supplies. Just you know. Replenish their Russian the. Working. At one point in this battle, historians think Napoleon could have won if he deployed his reserve troops, but he didn't thinking he could win the battle without them. Kutuzov, realizing that he's just. GonNa lose more troops does what Barklay dead, and he calls her retreat to Moscow promising his troops and his staff that they can collect more soldiers and guard. Moscow, Okay Reserve troops are just like standing there. Being like well, we're not called in. They were like his his like real. His personal guard reserve. Jurors. Jamil races. That's. I know there is personal guarded I. Think he just didn't? He didn't send them because he thought he had the battle in hand, and he didn't, and he probably could have won. Because of. At least that's what. I'm on my fifteen still. They, were they were. They were protecting him I guess. Anyway the Russians were treat, but they leave a rearguard so fierce that the French can't actually advance to follow the fleeing army for two full days, the Russians that were left there were basically sacrificed, but they prevented the entire army from being overrun, Moscow, at this point, pretty much abandoned the city, and the Russian plans for defending it really never materialized, and they march right past it. Okay I. Mean I know that they're winning and all and that they do, but it still feels like the fucking Russians cheating. Right? Quitting at risk by like pondering over your next move until I have to go home. This this actually to me. This feels like beating yourself up I to save your bully. Does Take the Polian five days to get to the gates, a Moscow, and he finds it burning and abandoned, and he of course is disappointed, thinking either job. Voice thinking, he's either gonNA crush rush the remaining forces there or at least receive an unconditional surrender, and he doesn't get either what is also customary, is that the city leaders who basically feed and house the invading troops in exchange for sparing the city? Well, no one's there with a hot plate orders in the warm tower points this man. This is the mood there's nobody to plunder from. I didn't even want to plunder now this is. So, there's a fire in Moscow that night. It could actually be its own citation needed, and it's not certain how it starts. It rages for a few days until the entire city is pretty much ash. The capital Russia at the time. Saint Petersburg and even though the city is called the second capital, it's basically worth about tree fifty, so Napoleon did not receive a lengthy surrender agreement from the czar instead. He looked around at zero assets snow and he couldn't push forward anymore and he left for home. It's not that easy just picking up and living Russia it's coming up on winner. The troops at this point are starving. The road is totally burnt. And if you think the Russians were just going to let them walk away, think again they basically harass Harry the army, the entire March, the horses have nothing to eat, and they're either left to die or eaten for food, and this means all the cavalry men just got. Got To motor infantry and all those heavy cannons are just left behind Napoleon came to Russia with half a million men, and he left with legend. Has It twenty two thousand man? Wow, now now there there may have been as many as one hundred thousand prisoners of war, so it isn't as bad as it sounds, but it's still pretty fucking. Do I'm sure the PUCK? In Russian war preserves made it out just fine. That's fair. Somehow in this thing, the real winners were like the guys who poop themselves to death in the first six hours. Fuck it. They knew how get it done. Yeah! Man God, Damn Napoleon's forces one really. Whole ends armies never the same after that I mean he had to rebuild the whole thing, and he did a pretty good job getting it back to four hundred thousand men. But a lot of his veterans were gone, and he had lost a tremendous amount of horses and cannon. Russia was pretty obvious that he could be beaten and then the next few years he would be beaten a few times until finally loses it all and gets to that I. Island I think the story is such a great tale of overconfidence, incompetence and French failure. It's just a shame Eli missed it. You know it's all it's all. Getting yourself to death. Interesting Horses Yeah Yeah. All right so if you had to summarize what you learned in one sentence, what would it be as Polian era soldier, sticking your entire arm up a horses. Ass is probably the best thing that happened on trips. Warm warm in here, guys! Elephants excess. Also. Worse! Goals. We gotta make a chain. It's actually a lot. Tug of the role three times. Okay we got. This isn't working. It's like shooting pool with a rope got. To. Ourselves All right in. Are you ready for the Quiz so God nothing I'm asleep. Seasonal which of the following is the best asp porn about the French army? He's out. Here. This is my favorite part of everything. Thank you so much for. All right, which is the best born a? Black booty. He always a good choice actually I'm Russia with glove. The Derby Sanchez. To phillies one copy. or Deep, dish impact. I gotta go with a secret answer APP. All of the above. They're all amazing. There's no best you cannot rank one better than the other. That is absolutely correct. Yeah, so good so good all right see so. Napoleon probably should have known that. Russia would never gill to a foreign power. What clues to Russian fortitude might have tipped. Russians drink vodka like hikers sipping camelback. A meteor blew up the sky. In Russia. Many of the locals stood up to fight it. See. Common Street scam in Russia to purposely throw yourself in front of a car, and then either sue or fight the driver that is after I fighting the. ZANGARI's got his start in St. Russian sports all seem to involve enormously STOIC men taking massive amounts of punishment in extreme competitions to see who drops I. This is not a war strategy. This is recreation in Russia. Actually called it a Poli- auto war the big French tickle fight. I. Again trying to throw me off, you want me to pick one, but it's not. It's all the above. It's easy. Bit Is that he probably should. Olympic. Team is called collection of countries. have. You ever seen the Russian slap fighting. Each Other, just slap each other until someone does are want to. Were they crying because they knock each other. Slapping all right so I've got I got one. That can stump be here seasonal? If Eli had been on this episode, How would he have avoided the work of actually writing one of these question bits for the end? Do that hilarious. He's just so bad at puns. Classic be totally weird metal thing that ignores the show subject matter entirely and instead relies on the fictitious personas who crafted for the purposes of this program. That is not what I'm doing right now. That's what you're doing right now. You Have A kid. I'M GONNA. Go with the grossest answer. D. Have A kid. That's the most disgusting. Because that's what he did all right well, it was. Nobody was able to stop you this week. So see so you on the episode. You can choose to host next week. That is a perfectly sensible dynamic ties each episode together wonderfully. Downstairs to be next week to listen to this next week. It's totally ruined I. Don't I can't listen. I'm going to choose Tom to go next at. You're perfectly sane, system. PROCEDURE HE TOM and to a lesser extent ally is. Taking. Today, we'll be back next week by then. Tom We'll be an expert something else between now and then you can hear more from Thomson. Sean cognitive dissonance and the sexiest crab species it. You can hear more from than me on the scaling atheist got off his the skeptical at DVD, minus and probably some other fucking show by now, too, and if you'd like to help, keep this show going per episode donation at Patriotair Dot, com citation or leave a five star review anywhere. You can only get in touch with us. Check out past episodes connect with social media or check the show notes. BE SURE TO CHECK OUT CITATION POD DOT COM.

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Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov 3: Russian Operas

Classics for Kids

05:59 min | 4 months ago

Nikolai Rimsky-Korsakov 3: Russian Operas

"Hello I'm Naomi Lewin. Welcome to classics for kids. The flight of the Bumblebee has become much more famous than the opera for which Nikolai Ski Korsakov routed today. Bits of other Russian operas that have become better known in the concert hall then on the Opera Stage they call Me Kyle. Glinka the father of Russian classical music you hardly ever see Glinka opera Muslim and Ludmilla but you hear the overture. All the time well at least loosely. Ludmila has been performed. That's more than you can say for some operas. Lada flopped twice the first time a Russian theatre asked four different composers to collaborate writing combination. Opera Ballet. That Malaysia was never performed. Then rimsky-korsakov who was one of the four composers recycled the music he'd written into a melodic of own. That Lotte lasted all of six performances. Malaga is a funny title. Sergei PROKOFIEV program called the love for three oranges. The love for three oranges is about a prince who finds the princess? He loves inside. An orange one of three oranges. Love is a big problem for the title character in an opera by Tchaikovsky. Called Eugene on Yagan. A girl named Tatyana falls in love with gene on Yagan. But he doesn't fall in love with her until it's too late and she's married to someone else. The two of them always seemed to be meeting up at a ball. So Tchaikovsky put plenty of dance music including this waltz into his office part of Modesto Missouri Skis Opera. Boris good enough takes place in a Polish court where they do a Polish Vance the pullen his another Russian opera with famous dances in it is by Alexander Barra. Dean. Borodino was a professor of chemistry. Who only got to write music in his spare time. His only opera was prince eager in which the prince eager gets captured. While fighting the pile-up Ziems the best known. Part of the opera is when the Pelosi enslaves entertain prints e core by singing. Dancing Borodino died before he could finish prince eager but two of his friends who knew how he wanted it to sound finished it for him. One of those friends was Nikolai. Rimsky-korsakov whose flight of the Bumblebee is far more famous than the tale of our Sultan. The opera for which he wrote it You can definitely hear a flying insect in the flight of the Bumblebee Next Week. On classics for kids other musical things with wings. I'm Naomi Lewin. I write classics for kids and produce it with Tim. Lander WG UC Cincinnati. Please join me again next. Time for classics for kids.

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News in Brief 7 October 2019

UN News

03:07 min | 1 year ago

News in Brief 7 October 2019

"This is the news in brief from the United Nations following reports that the United States is withdrawing troops from northeast Syria the UN on Monday against further displacement of civilians from the Turin Region Regional Humanitarian Coordinator panels moon says reportedly told correspondents in Geneva the UN had made contingency plans to assist civilians forced to flee Sir need for concord the need for discussion the need for multi-lateralism the need for Dialogue Between Different Cultures Matt Wells U._N. News off if Turkish forces advance on Kurdish positions following the US policy shift he said any military operation had to take the effects on civilians into account a number of children the La led by General Khalifa after mounted an offensive to try and take the capital from the UN recognized government last April hundreds of full cooperation by all prioritizing protection of civilians ensuring that the basic principles of humanity will be respected on the ground the UN support mission in adding that the UN is hoping for the best but preparing for the worst according to news reports US allies the Syrian Kurdish militia or why PG are considered a terrorist first time in its history precious pages from tolstoy's epic war and peace of gone on show in Geneva to highlight a hundred years of Solidarity Among Nations the manuscript which has never been out of Russia until now depicts the period just before the battle of Borodino in September eighteen twelve which led to heavy casualties among Napoleon's troops and there are defy the targeted site which had confirmed at a fighter jet dropped four and guided bombs on the Equestrian Club a civilian facility and that neither military assets nor military infants violation of international law onset it would share its evidence with the Security Council the panel of experts on Libya and other relevant international bodies and finally for the via UNFIL- has said it supported by an airstrike carried out by the forces of the self-styled Libyan national army in the suburbs of the capital Tripoli which hit an equestrian club injury Shen counterparts although the encana cleared the way for the French to march on Moscow it proven ultimately fruitless campaign they were forced to withdraw tolstoy was always against did not worked in the past referencing Lee massacre of Bosnian Muslims at the hands of Bosnian Serbs in Srebrenica in nineteen ninety five he told reporters he hoped there would be the world of Tolstoy's oversee radically different to ours said PIA has on human rights expert in one of the driving forces behind exhibition but what's at stake is the same. He added the organization by Turkey with anchor arguing for the creation of a so-called safe zone for civilians along the Syrian border under its control Mr Moses said that the concept Russia were observed at the site the mission condemns in the strongest possible terms this horrific attack said the statement from UN's will not that attacks against civilians constituted grade fighters and civilians have been killed more than one hundred thousand forced to flee their homes UN's Mel said it had dispatched a team to the Riding Club in the Johnson neighborhood of Tripoli to ident- war said an additional Petrova vice director of the tolstoy museum in Moscow she added the pacifist author believed problems should be solved by peaceful means through negotiations.

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4. George Clooney, un Tauro con mucho encanto

AstroC�bala C�smica

49:03 min | 6 months ago

4. George Clooney, un Tauro con mucho encanto

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Ep 6 - Suzanna Swims ... wild in the Lake District

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Ep 6 - Suzanna Swims ... wild in the Lake District

"Welcome to the inspiring event to podcasts from Vets Break Publishing Kasich. You the great doors through literature. Welcome to website. Six inspiring adventure podcast. I'm your host Ray. And this week I'm joined by. Opie water and wild seven Susannah Suzanna move to Cumbria in two thousand eight and soon caught the bug. Swimming afterwards in twenty-six eighty sets up susannah swims to help others access wild places by missing themselves in open water whether you want to dip Utopian Thanh float down the river. Swim across the SUZANNAH's your woman. Susanna is currently putting the finishing touches to her book swimming wild in the Lake district in which she vividly describes have wild threatening. Experiences brings the characteristics of each lake to life with a urine experience while swimmer or just toes in the water. Definitely intended. You'll find plenty to inspire your next adventure. Thanks for joining. It may read king to hear what you say on this exciting topic. I W I want on reporter's not had any hope me off but what struck me as load myself into the water as you buy guns. Take this incredibly seriously. Just throw it all covering with quite a sense of humor sensibly K. and Helen. It's been going through the notes of the book. And she said she can hear that all the way through the book that there was. Yeah you have to take it seriously because you taking yourself out of what most people would consider normal if you walk. This path is of people. There's equipment you can go and buy and signposts tell you where to go if you get assuming there's people that are the people that lifeguards and things and to go and get into a Lake. I it's just not normal for lots of people and yeah and dealing with the cold at ten find. A sense of humor does help with that. We did the VERSI those a lot of singing very loud. Yeah to scream and yell plunged into Cold War. What is it that persuaded you into the water so regularly like you say it's it's a normal something Cobo to you? When I first moved to come here I came here because at one in love with the hills. It wasn't the water even though it's called Lake district it's just all about mountains and I had this very suburban bringing where it props puddle in the say on holiday but the I wouldn't even thought of getting into a lake. Some first few swims in the Lake district were more puddles dips because looking around thinking. There's somebody watching me. Is this the right thing to do? I'm allowed to do this because if you walk into any shop in because they gamble we'll these place late district. You can buy everything to go for a walk or a bike ride or climb and you can buy a book to tell you where to go but does nothing to say. Yes or no on the swimming so for quite a few years. Just go for a walk at the end of the walk parts or whatever just little puddle and then I was living with a friend Jude in Keswick and she swam indoor water every day and when I was living with her. She's got this big townhouse and she's to make so much noise in the mornings and this is early start. They were out before six o'clock and it was a case of if you can't be joined awake and those of no escaping the nice that was going on in the house at that time of morning but what really struck me about. It was that she set off with such purpose when she came back. She was like a different person. She was ready to face the day. She just felt she was just full of excitement and enthusiasm and it really did. Pique my curiosity that she'd go out don't necessarily feeling down or anything like that but half asleep and then come back and just be like and you doing all and she was doing all of that before. The rest of the world really woken up and yeah and the first time she taught me that was it. It was it was straight away for me. It's the things that I didn't realize was missing in my life and then suddenly as a while. We're has this thing in my life so I think I swam every day for the next two weeks after the hour on of wetsuit break and that was it I was completely sold is not stopped at that. Two weeks you've been doing this for I try to think about when it was. It's it's definitely more than five years in business. It was a very end of two thousand sixteen. So let's start the business so yeah definitely more than five years of consider myself to be a proper outdoor swimmer rather than just about that's amazing also benefits to what sports in general and to mainly what feet sculpted in your career space as well as your hobby. One of the great things that I love about swimming is that you you have to leave everything behind. You can't take something into the water with you and I think that's why a lot of people find it very good. I find it very good for all aspects of my health but a lot of people do get mental health benefits from. It's nothing that I come from a hill walking background. That was when I first came to Cumbria so I'm used to that feeling of dragging yourself amounting with a backpack and but when you get into the water you have to leave well. That can't take your clothes your phone with you because you can't mortar. So you get that massive sense of freedom that you're not burdened by anything and you'll floating entirely supported in the water so I find it very reassuring being out in the middle of a lake. Some people find it scary the idea that the shore receive far away but for me. It's just this huge sense of freedom. Econ capture anywhere else. Just sounds. Wonderful is is accompanied. My plan hundred. Put me off. Slightly is cold. Something a Thailand. Summer actually going into the water very after run and then coming out and was called say tomato but the sun was seen some what time it deletes circumstances when the. I'm not sure being on yet November December this all year round d have a particular favorite spot that you say. I've got several. I always try because people like to know you. Top Ten Bentley. It changes all the time but I always say don't waters I love because it's the first place that I did swim properly. West from more than hundred meters for example. And I just never get tired. It's most boring mundane place in terms of late district swimming. It's just a boat jetty that we swim from and we go down this little channel this the shore on one side in Ireland on the when you get to the end of of that channel the lake just opens up in front of you and I did not practice every day and I never got bored of it because the seasons change the light changes. And it's just magical. I if if I could only ever swim one place again. I'm not quite sure where it probably a ton or something and I love criminal. Water is probably worse when most often. Because it's most most convenient and it's quiet clean and no one else around. You haven't swum yet that you have on your wish. They are still a couple of times to swim in the Lake district. That's that's another project that I'm working on and basically I haven't got round all towns just because they take longer to get to businesses. Taking a Paloma time when I was caring for my dad juries during his illness I just got time to get out and walk for miles. So Y- I'd love to to do all the towns of the Lake district and couple of my friends. They've done a two hundred over two hundred projects. So I tell you whether US fatal meters. I should probably check that. They've they've done that some keen to emulate. But the things like. I'd like to swim in Ice Mile. I'm training to do that. I'd like to get back to the world championships. Swim a bit more around the coast. And we've got in the UK so lots also says something about swimming then compared to say he'll walking and other outdoor activities. That seems really special or different offices here. I think it's the instant hit that you get from. It's like saying how eager in colds trae away. It's I describe it as my my top of the mountain failing but in a lake and you can achieve it so much quicker. It's not the speed is of the essence but I came to swimming more when my hill walking activities with tyrod so I was looking at my dad's and we used to walk a lot together when he couldn't walk anymore. I I couldn't do it without him. I just felt bad anyway and he needed me more at home so I couldn't trek to the top of capitals Grizedale. Piker any being to just drop of the hat so I was looking for that feeling a lot quicker and stripping off and getting in the water. That's it's the same feeling. It just happens a lot quicker than being in the middle of the lake that perspective that you get. I'm seeing all the familiar hills. I knew the back of my hand. Be Looking at them from the water. You just come to appreciate them differently. It's quite a different perspective. You Hang on. I love completely. I love over here with sea level. Is it way yeah? I'm looking up quite different matter and look at it made me wonder how I climbed. Some of them. Yeah Yeah when you see the height and the angles from the water sounds incredible. Wild swing often seems to be quite focused. A very quiet secluded isolated spaces a lot of them have got the rain ecologically-sensitive cheese on shaving. This is something that you're quite familiar with spending so much time in these places got tips fit for the swimmers. Perhaps people were coming to this. Quite knew about how to really respect. Those areas after them in biosecurity in lakes is a massive issue because we've got very invasive species and some of them are ones that were not present a few years ago and now they are water is classic example is New Zealand. Pick me Wade's and as fast as the National Trust and frontiers and things tried to remove it again to get rid of it so it completely take saver and it displaces speed species. That should be there naturally and something. That's not just swimmers all lake users whether you're paddling whether your dog's going in there for a little bit of a dip you've got to be so careful that when you leave that water you taking everything either leaving older. If you've got anything touch to you a little bit of weeds and stuff illegally there even better you go home and dispose fair at home so by letting dry out on hard standing just say the tick transferred of the areas. So when I'm planning walks swims and things are try and move with. The water flows. Start talk with catchment. For example book demands a good one expert Smith flows into crook so wouldn't necessarily swimming chromatic and then go into Butler because you're moving back against the water if I was going to if there's no way around it depending on my roof told the group I've got with me. I use fresh swimwear in but Smith to avoid the spread but generally just look at your map before you go workout where the water stars and move it and try not to go from one catchment to another catchment. It's really simple and easy to do this. And this there is a chapter on that in the book and you could look online in this very spitzer formation about the rivers trust is really good one and Cumbria career nonnative invasive species They've got project helping to eradicate it. So if you go either of those you can get information online. Safeties being thing obviously as well like you saying at the start. This is something. That's up slightly more alien than going for a wall or certainly from Selena poll of things that people need very mind if they're wanting to try to silence and having a starting place. We'll see you saying how it was cold when you when you look at accidents to sticks the world. Life sincerity very good collecting that information and and the most susceptible group men age fifteen thirty five and the peak of those incidents usually July August. So that is when we've got the hottest temperatures usually the warmest temperatures but the lake's warm and they might be milder. I mean they can. They can be warm when they're very shallow. But what you have to remember. Is that if it's say. Twenty degrees temperature. The lake might still be ten fifteen. There's a massive difference between getting in so Doesn't matter how hot you are. Don't pin just nice and slowly and acclimatize because that shock of going from one extreme to another so a try where possible just to get people to just get a nice and steadily and slowly. That's the best thing you can do any time of year. It's tempting when you can jump in what she acclimatize. Obviously but I think that's probably the biggest thing is getting people to appreciate how much colder it can be. It's lovely once you're in and you've got going and also at the lakes because they glacial the way they've been created they've got very steep sides and it's good e can't always tell whether they're going to be and you can take a couple of steps of what is a Nice beach officers and you swimming in the grounds from beneath you so it's knowing that if that does happen you've got the wherewithal to start. Swimming treading water. Ought to just find some better to get in and you can do that by doing research with them. Up knowing a little bit about the area known which is a lake and places like crossbeam writer for example they don't have these really steep edges whereas water but smear. You can take a couple of steps and you win in swimming. And especially if you've got kids in your puddle and having a picnic and things little things that to be aware of I seen there's also something about not going on rain especially if you're just starting out every safety and definitely. Yeah I mean I do for a living and I quit my own but within reason I don't push it too. Far perhaps stay parallel to the shore. Think if you are just starting out definitely go with a friend. Everything's more fun when you got from like I. I was swimming with my friend Ali. The other day we were going somewhere. That was remote. It got no phone. Signal is sheltered is is say so we go together because we look out for each other. It is some other. I whisper mom. Am I'm fully aware of the risk and know if something went wrong? It's totally on me so I would always say. Have somebody with these you back and even if that person in the water with you this things you can do. Have someone on the shore the prompts throw line or just to reassure you. I am to say how long you've been in for saying you. Don't get too carried away. That wasn't my. He's so easy to do though. I think that's one of the biggest learning points that people can take from their first couple of swims aim low. Yeah have some energy when you get out because if you find yourself middle of Lake thing I want to get out now you still going to show up by. No more. Are Your top tips? Your do's and don'ts for people are wanting to get into a more swimming or perhaps if people started a month to take a bit more serious probably the top one sem to find a really reputable guide as possibly God book coming out next year. That's the only thing you can do when you want to get into else for me. Yeah do do Co. Book a guide all go with friends. Let when I first started. I went with a really experienced friend who she's just like a machine she taught me how to. She's phenomenal swimmer. And she taught me how to do. Kroll and covered safety aspects. And things with me. And then I've been done courses myself to improve my my skills and safety considerations and things so it definitely pays to have that Little Bay of professional guidance but this lot of grapes in late district Various places around the country legalzoom in societies. Really good place to start. Their website is go features on skills way confined group. Obviously if you go with the grape and is just peers rather than somebody. That's that's leading it professionally. Be aware that there might not necessarily be there. Somebody there that's going to have you back if something goes wrong. But Safety in numbers definitely. I'm is there any particular so equipment that you need this apartment? 'cause later you know. Essentially the only times. I've ever run into trouble swimming enough. Not had anything on. I like how swimsuit. I've had a dog walker. That wouldn't leave me alone when I was trying to get out say and if I'd had a swimsuit just got out but I was very conscious that handgun on and I stayed in the same class. Made me very comfortable. Yeah thank you doc Walker on Phantom Beach I am a big believer in just getting in 'em with the because when we were kids we tend to have where we just ran into. See when we didn't have all this equipment. I think protecting your feet is a good one. I do Olympic wherever swim. I've picked up broken bottles cans stuff. The EGAN FETA permit. And when if you are a little bit cold you might not realize and that could have repercussions later on specially. Fear is less likely to happen when he somewhere remote. But you could could you for open on Iraq and not realize that you've yourself and see us trying wear pair of shoes but if you're worried about wetsuit it's fine people get quite militant about it so the only way you can swim outdoors in the swimsuit nothing. I don't like to stop people having the experience. If they WANNA wear everything they want to have. Bollock lava and a five mil wetsuit. That's fine by me. If that's the way they can enjoy it upside personally. I don't enjoy it. What do late. Sometimes it's nice to have the wall in the buoyancy from and he's a key factor in a wet suit. You can usually spend a little bit longer but for me. I just love the sensation of the WARTA almost skin wherever the temperature is. I've had lots of things like Thai flight. Is that something needs recommend. Yes tow fleets there for visibility and also if you get tired or you have crappy can hold onto them. People do call them buoyancy AIDS which is broadened they. They don't keep you afloat just float behind. You might toefl. Always got a whistle attached to it. In case I did gained trouble needed. Someone's attention people away. Stop for a whistle. Shall I think everybody starts when you hear whistleblowing so it's just nice distress call in the outdoors and lakes have boats on them so toefl? Thai flight is absolutely k. Because you practically invisible as a swimmer and I think it's our responsibility to make ourselves visible as possible but also not to swim in in the path of boats. Because there's so many places we can swim and the boats quite limited in where they can go so. I think the onus is on a suspended to aid to avoid those places and beef. You can't avoid them. Need you brightly. Colored Hat Utah Flight. You whistle sometimes go out with a with a peddler either Kayak or something just to to keep so they've got the full visibility. The to- flights as well you can get them as back so you can put you clydes in them. Say Yeah you done to leave you stiff on the show you can do. I mean this wouldn't be a publishing podcast but didn't ask you about books. Say Your book coming out at any of the books that you've read that have been spied venture view perhaps on your reading lists. I'm really pleased to be going home with the Scottish backing up. Been wanting that well since she advertised it and John. Did Promise me copy. I finished my script. I'm taking home now. Because the books multi-purpose. It might be walking book or just the General Guidebook but I'm always look at it thinking right. Where can I swim but I think the one that recently was? There's no muffin. Hell this deeper and chill because I have got absolutely no aspirations to be a felon. I love watching though and I really really love rating about felony and obsolete landscapes. I know really well. I've got no no intention of taking up felony a for every person that calls me nuts forgetting in cold water. That's how I feel. 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EP 39 - ROBERTO BENIGNI'S PINOCCIO with Tad Yagi

Shut Up I Love It

1:22:00 hr | 6 months ago

EP 39 - ROBERTO BENIGNI'S PINOCCIO with Tad Yagi

"Hello this is. Stephen and this is shut up. I love it a podcast where we invite our guests onto champion and aspect of popular culture. That they feel is underrated or under appreciated joining us. Today he is an L. A. based actor and comedian clowns slash sketch performer originally from Berkeley California. He currently performs with the cloud based comedy projects Zebra and the Electric House. Welcome Tad Yagi. Hey maury first name right todd. More your Maria Aggie but I've always known you tad and Tad also means a little bit. You Always Been Tad. Yeah pretty much. Yeah actually you're not a tad. We guy you're tall dude could be considered a tad of a man. We are here to talk about a Tad. Aman tattered boy. Oh my God perfect transition. I this this this top everything you've ever done for me. This is the highlight of past thirty five episodes however many Tad. What are we here to talk about today? Today we're here to talk about the two thousand two version of the movie. Pinocchio starring Roberto Benigni. Yeah sure who would all Roberta Benigno of mostly known to the rest of the world? Life is beautiful. Yeah this is. The movie he made after life is beautiful. This was his big followup this the next masterpiece he made life beautiful movie that took the world by storm. He crawled on the seats at the Academy Awards and then he said but yeah I mean. There's I found out in the researching of this seeing this movie watching it yesterday and researching it. There's been just so many Pinocchio in history of cinema that's like obscene like just literally every country mainly six in Okeyo movies. Yeah I mean obviously the Disney cartoon is probably the most famous live rare one hundred percent on rotten tomatoes not bound with. Yeah I think that is I roger. Ebert had a column. That was the great movies where he would write about the great movies and I think like Snow White and Nokia where maybe the only to. Disney animated movies that he wrote about in that column Roberto Bernini was like let me top. Danka crack at it. You're right. There are so many versions. I was While when. I was watching this last night. I was texting with some friends Alert Stephen has friends not me. I was not part of that. It's true I saw. This was a group text. Us More frenemies And I found a picture of a version of the story where Drew Carey played. Japan toe and Julia. Louis Dreyfuss was the blue fairy. Oh did you see that? No no I didn't even know about. Have you seen any other? Pinocchio Films or cartoons or anything Are Probably saw the Disney version when I was a little kid but I really don't remember much of it and make quite an impact on. You seem because you don't recall. No no actually like for me. My first introduction was actually the original Italian book not an Italian of course as a young boy in Berkeley California traditional Italian name. I actually was very pleased to hear the constant Borodino Borodino because Britain is a Russian version of inaugural and I think just stole it and they just made like a book written in Nineteen Thirties. I WANNA say called the little golden key and Buddha Tino Martinez was like a rip off Nokia because I remember knowing not story really well and then as a little girl and then later finding out there's Pinocchio To Story and the Pinocchio Book that I read was a lot darker than put our team because no kill book is really dark for kids like if you really if you don't do it the way this movie did it but actually follow the dark journey. Pinocchio gives really skier He. Although this movie gets a little older never felt really dark enough for me. There's one murder and also a boy dies. Well okay so so many spoilers coming in Yeah Yeah. Sorry guys yeah. Let's let's let's see what happens Tad Tell us. How did you fall in love with this film? Let's see it must've been around the time when When it came out I saw on Netflix? Wow early days. I got the DVD in the law. Pretend you lost the not that one. I wish I was wishing I did though because I was looking around. It's been like fifteen years since I've seen the movie but so I was looking for online and I couldn't find the Italian version so I I watched before I came over here. I watched the English dubbed version. Oh now tad specifically when this topic enthroned not too so you guys were able to find the Steve Ed were. It's on which is not Hoopla is a digital platform. I've talked about before we provide. We had nothing platform. You have access to through your local library. And so yeah. The Italian subtitled version. Very very pleased to find it there but I was also pleased to find that Google was wrong when it said it was two and a half hours long. That's true it was an hour and fifty minutes. Long pretty tight. So eleven percent on rotten. Tomatoes is eleven percent percent. Let's pray down. I looked it up yesterday. It was zero serious. I think that is specifically about the dubbed version. So I did not. Maybe the subtitled version has a different page but again metacritic. Oh medical metacritic gives it eleven percent which is still pretty rough very right. Yeah but what is the zero percent that means no critic gave it a positive review except Tad- Tadpoles and stand by even the English version? I watch it was still like did you hold up. It wasn't going in not expecting that. Oh it's going to be not as good of a experience Still like it's still got me. I was definitely curious about that version because character. Pinocchio is voiced by Sasha. Your colleague Brechin Meyer. Absolutely I was supposed you know I mean you know. He is one of the writers on the season of robot. Chicken Loosen Yolo is voiced by topher. Grace correct your girlfriend's easy. No no but her favorite movies Right The star of take me home tonight. I'll kinds of connections are happening But I ended up. She ended up sending me like one short clip of the DUB and seems alright. Surreal Okay. They did not do agree usually dubs take such great pains to try and match. Yeah they didn't bother. It doesn't seem like they put much effort into geology. And that's nice when they don't grow up with everything dubbed everything. I mean you know because they weren't subtitles when I was growing up and everything was just dubbed and you hear a little bit of voice in the back. So that's why it was like effortless right because it's like well you hear the enough but on on the top Russian voice. Doing you know. It's usually one person dubbing everything he writes. This person was not chosen. This person was never chosen for their performance skills chosen because they were translating as they were listening to it so they're always like online by below. I been adopted. I've been a momma while it's it's not good but they can hear the voice the Voice of the character in the background that I'm happy. That's my experience was dubbing. That's so that it was just like a lack of resources. It sounds like to be produced Probably I'm guessing it was like one guy like everybody knew and made fun of him was a nasal nerdy guy who was terrible. Doing voices like listening to an audio book but but that bad like nobody. You know that it's almost like he's on purpose was trying to be lifeless. Was the same guy for every movie for for like a period of time. Oh Lucky Guy. Yeah. He's pretty good Gig. So yeah w. This weird. I love subtitles. I watch everything was subtitles including American movies Russian movies. I don't care like I just like to have battles there for safety. I used to be. I watched some anime and a big thing listeners. I watch them anime thing. Anime is the debate. The subs verse Dubs Debate. And you get a lot of purus out there who are saying if you're not watching subs. You're not watching the show and I used to be one of those people when I was young and foolish but now as I age A good absolute the best one I I. I'm kind of given up on that fight and I prefer a dub at this point What about you I mean I know the answer I? I tend to prefer the subtitles. Although like watching this one yeah. I didn't notice like when I watched the DUB version. You can pay more attention to like the visuals. Yeah and so from that. You get a lot of information that you might miss if you're if you're reading English or whatever your name is go down to upset someone. I'm like doing at if I'm researching somebody acting or something like well. I'm not paying attention. They're acting in this detailed level. If I'm reading title so I can see that. That's why I sometimes when I'm watching a British show. I will put on subtitles that I try not to just because even if I know what they're saying my is automatically get drawn down to that text at the bottom of the screen and we know how good at British actors are saying. Whoa Chevrolet. Oh Gosh so ted. You saw this movie around when it came out. Thanks to the magic of Netflix. Yeah that's right and you weren't a child. No I was Like probably taught in my mid twenty mid to late twenties. How'd you see young looking person? Then pay good wine reverse had you seen. Life is beautiful. Did you have any with Roberto? Bernini Yeah I saw. Life is beautiful in the theaters. And then also I grew up watching on on public television like Johnny Sticky Known Monster. I also saw What else The coffee and cigarettes Jim John. Yeah Nice reference. Very happy here he's That put the taxicab one. Call night on earth. Yeah Yeah shout out to I know writer shoutout. I said some negative things about in the past. But we love you and I'm a thank you for being unfaithful. Thank you for your financial support. Reveal the only reason we go so you side and you were like. Oh my God. This is as good as life is beautiful if not better. Yeah and I was trying to think about it because like I was wondering it could be just because I grew up with the with the story book. I mean like when I really small like five this talk in Nineteen Sixty S. Oh Yeah Yeah Yeah No. Yeah like my dad would read it to us for bedtime. Yeah and so Those in the eighties I guess and then really going like Steven like a little a little sperm man. Imagine a little a little Berman. Whatever that evokes in your mind that's mostly what I look like today. I have a I want to ask you guys because it sounds like you might know. How AN SASHA? You mentioned that the traditional stories dark how darker we talking it. I think it's not so much the plot points that you'd be describing like okay. He is almost turns into a donkey. But it's the tone right so I remember reading that story and being paralyzed with fear and just the because you see the story of Pinocchio is written not the from perspective original nineteenth century story being okay and it was not written from the perspective of. He's a fun loving guy people misunderstand or you know child like Worley wrong and he better learn or horrible things will happen to him because he deserves them and part of it is like black magic stuff that happens to him right that he almost becomes a Dunkin. Oh he does and and then you'll must dies and so it's just the tone of it is a lot more Like a horrific like a horror horror story like off crafty. And maybe in some ways. Yeah I'm I mean. Is this child like you get shiver. Shivers like remembering like how like nauseating it would be the story written on a page and so it is in memory and so compared to the more frivolous vibe that. I'm getting from this film and so there's no point. I am was scared even if I imagined myself being a kid or maybe it's hard to imagine my kid watching this film. It always felt safe for him. And that's not a sign of storytelling for me. Sokaia issue with tone like to me interesting but it is a children's is a children's film. I think I kind of have I take this perspective. That the film is really more meant for adults. To look at what? It's like to be a kid. I don't I mean it is while being middle aged man the yeah yeah receding hairline and looks way older. Yeah I don't know how Bernini was in two thousand and two looks. He looked much older than TATA's now. Thank you Roberta. Boninni was born in the year of fifty to fifty wins which is yet. He looks thirty years older than Tad but he looks pretty. Good for fifty absolutely says yeah and Tad you're sixty years. I just turned sixty two right now as soon as he looks. Good for fifty but he does not look like a little wooden boy nor nor are they claiming he does. I guess it's Kinda like have either. Have you seen the movie? Clifford starring Martin Short. Yeah I I was thinking of that movie when I was thinking about this because it's like I like I like watching films where adults playing children. I think I. I just think it's so funny. I know some people get weird or like we did the amandas strangers with candy. Yeah no yeah where. What's her name is playing. A grown woman is playing. Well Guess What? She is supposed to be an adult. You know what I'll cut this out. Get rid of this. I'll get you there but like no but like The summer was this summer camp movie or like what Americans sure? Yeah those actors were all in their late twenties when they made that movie and they specifically named check themselves as being sixteen years old. Yeah and that's what Clifford Clifford for USA is Martin. Short is playing the child. Nephew of Charles Grodin. Yeah Charles Grodin. Yeah I love him. He's playing like a ten year. Old Kid comes into Charles Gardens life and makes it a living. Hell the have the end. The E- Eh. It. I also thinking about that pretty much the whole time. I was watching this yet. You love that movie both of you. I like to see. That's the thing like I think. Maybe it's just my personal taste but I like or that Mexican TV show. Have you seen it? El Chapo dilatot is the same guy who does that that bumblebee character that they spoof on the simpsons. All the time you're saying well Tad Why don't you tell us broad strokes what you do like about? Pinocchio also tells in detail of the film and riding with the plot. Who des with using. I liked the film. 'cause well one thing is like just a story in general. I think it's like it's kind of like a guidebook for children or like also but also I think for basically like people who are like sociopaths or psychopaths on how to function in society. Is the EEL like weird? I'm like trying to tell me you're a psychopath and I need to know that. No no no I pretty setting present a little bit. Yeah I do have a little bit at least what people tell me like wonder and not really but sometimes I can come across a little naive. But I don't know I think young so this dude right. What happens to him? Oh you mean the OCHIA. Oh so he's Yeah in Roberto Okay. So that this film I like it because I think the underlying message is like all like adults. It's all it's all cast. A adults are playing children throughout the entire film. And so to me. It's like the idea that know. It doesn't matter how grownup you are at a person's heart. They're still like a little kid. And you know you you go through life and you experience all of this like trauma or bad things heartbreak. Whatever and so you put up all these walls. And so that's why I enjoy watching like films or comedies where adults are playing children. Because it's like you get to see like an adult but the like inside their true. Yeah it comes out to play and to me. It's like really funny and it's also like people you know especially Nah I mean Jeez. Everyone's like acting like a little child. You know well you also are spending a lot of time in clown communities so I think you do spend a long time around people who chose to be infantile and which is the ultimate thing like what he's doing. I think in this film. Benin he's been idiot right like being a total idiot. You're lovable idia dummy that's child precautious but also completely clueless about how the world works knows. The question I had from news is what Roberto Bin Yunis doing in this movie. Would you consider that like clowning? Yeah I would definitely I mean. I'm not like an expert at all on clowning But it's something that I've been A. I guess you could say studying and just being around it a lot and so yeah I would consider him a clown as much as like see him doing a show house all right. Do you think he he wants to come. Perform on our show. The Roberta Caravan listening every second and fourth Thursday. You call you can come to a two man set. Oh would kill so for the most part of the story though is very like the same right the same story points that Pinocchio who has no matter what rank nation it is going from adventure to adventure often get tricked or doing tricks? Yeah and others is the is the the the the Disney version though is not similar to the the book version or well. I haven't read the book so I'm not sure. The Disney version is pretty similar in plot to this one. I I don't think it has as much with the Fox and the cat although I do think they are in it does this show Jiminy Cricket Jiminy Cricket's in there. Yes but does does Pinocchio Kill Him in the Digital version? No okay the Disney. Pinocchio is much less of a shit you know. He's he's a shitty little kid but he's not like a monster the way that Nokia is so the most disturbing character though of this film is cricket very disturbed by like physically or well. I didn't like I didn't care if we scared to for his moral telling like he's like the voice of like adult right. Yeah but I also hate it but the the guy the cast with these face. What did you think of the antenna on Yeah I hated. I hated the antenna on his head. He jumped around the screen when I hated was like okay. They're doing something interesting with the way. Don't put this guy with child molesters face on this like more than I if you're listening. Sir. I'm sorry does look like you molested children. I just didn't like him. I didn't like every time he came on. I had the like one of those gut feelings of rare unsafe. I felt unsafe. It was one of those things like. Why do I dislike Leonardo Dicaprio? Like no no reason except I don't like him and that was the same thing I'm like. I don't want to see this thing again the thing because he's a thing like he's jumping around. He's doing the the bug stuff. How did you feel about the cat and the Fox? I was okay with it. I wasn't like I felt like they weren't villainous enough to me. That was kind of having problem with that. Were there were there any other characters that you had of this reaction like this. No no no not this more like I was just judging everything heavily. Which is our purview. Here here let's can we go through the the episodes quote unquote better in this movie? Like how do we were first introduced? Pinocchio was a log grand opening I really. I really enjoyed the jumping log and for some reason Stephen. I don't know what's going on but I was Washington. Thinking would split Stephen say what would I say I felt like? I would be judged by you for loving that sequence Emma and you were just I. It's not that I necessarily disagree with you. I'm just surprised that you had such A. I was actually joyful reaction fever part of the movie. I think because he's like happy to be alive. It's just a log log and they're doing pretty good work with I don't know what are they. What are they do? They have computers twenty. Yeah but it was. This is like after the first spiderman movies. Come out this house know generally CGI. In other countries I feel like the US as usually on the forefront of that technology and the foreign firms that we hire that workout but yeah they definitely had it. And that's why you know I think if you had bouncing log in like Spiderman two would probably look a little better than that bouncing log dead. I was watching it with the eyes of a person who thought it was all getting. It's all police and almost killed the goose bounce right over the kind of goose family passing vinyl log files throughout the movie while almost like hitting bunch actually hitting a bunch of people. It's a lot of people a lot of people but spares goose very happy about that. Yeah it seems like this log is Kinda brought to life because One one of the Blue fairies butterflies touches. It do now are y what I took to be because the the first scene of the movie is the Blue Fairy and the night kind of like bringing day into the story date the sunlight. And then there's this butterfly that kind of follows her around and it knocks this log off of a cart and that's when the log starts bouncing over the city. I took that to be like. That's the infusion of I the magic because this in the in the Disney movie is the Blue Fairy who brings this puppet to life so djupedal can have a son and so I assume that must be some sort of essential part of the story. Is that the blue fairy is connected the giving life Japan and then sell. That's interesting is kind of grumpy. I mean so there's more to insult and just not having sex because you can be can be involuntarily celebrate without being a quote unquote in cell. Right that's engines day so once you put those together there's other stuff happening connotation wise. I think there's there's more there's the anger right societas. Would she's nine. He's very calm. Yeah it seems like mostly djupedal probably not until Nokia seemed like. He's living a pretty chill life until he made the mistake of carving this wooden fifty year old man which everybody is by the way knows. He's a boating. I like everybody in town immediately and this is one of those log people which apparently there are a lot this puppet show okay so djupedal cars. This puppet puppet starts talking to better doesn't react to it for good five minutes until he suddenly decides to react is not talking to a law for the last ten minutes is really lonely in his mind. Talking to Beautiful it was just a little unclear when they did it he cars Pinocchio and Roberto Benigni immediately goes crazy. All over this town Creating quite a Ruckus and so then is the I like big story. Point Point is he's supposed to go to school and instead he goes to a puppet show so very vain. Emitted very vague. Want for this character. What does he driven by like? Because it's almost like he's a hedonist much like a toddler and does what he wants because the world wants him to school right and because his dad is poor and he sold his last jacket in this cold weather to buy the ABC. Sort of book for Pinocchio to learn in school by you know he feels. He feels grateful for his his data for buying this book and selling his jacket but he still doesn't go to school because instead he wants to go to puppet show he's abject yes and they are there and they recognize him so all the puppets are sentient right. All but like they're not lose. They're all employed accept. Him is interesting. 'cause he bertos character has he doesn't have any strings. Yeah then all the puppets they have strings right which raises the question are do they have free will. Yeah us because we then meet the man who runs this puppet show whose agent man He eats puppets every day. Puppets not very smart. He employs the pop puppets but he eats them. Yeah I mean the head a lot of puppets. Though you did not need that he was getting. Yeah just coming in no real explanation of why this man is so big. He is like the size. You would expect someone compared to a puppet to be but everyone else. In the town is the size of the puppets. It doesn't matter. I guess that kind of internal logic is not really important to this. Now we'll never know is the answer. I'm GONNA find out. Okay I'M GONNA call Roberto Has His number and so he Pinocchio kind of tricks this large man into not eating him easily leaves go ahead on that. That's like because I I view this story as like sort of like a story about like how people learn like how do they learn to be bad quote unquote or whatever and so like for Pinocchio? He doesn't really lie. Intil or learn how to lie. I don't think until he has to lie his way out of Getting eaten by Stromboli. So like other other I think. So that's good. And all the other puppets they're telling him. Oh you've got to make him feel feel like like emotional empathy for and then he starts lying his ass off died. His father can't pay for the yeah. Yeah and it's like a coping strategy so it's Kinda like you see how you know in real life someone who is like a sociopath or whenever is on so they learn to lie because they're trying to escape there's choose time he lied in the film right and so there's little points throughout the movie? Where which is I think is really cool like where you see sort of how this person develops into how their their self image and stuff gets turned into The quote bad track. And then how? He's able to reform himself which I haven't thought about it enough to know if it's actually either thinking about it right now. It's already been very the very impressive to me. Oh Yeah No. It's a great story. Great story he gets off the right track and reforms himself. I'd say six or seven times throughout the. Yeah yeah it happens over and over yet so you runs away from your puppeteer very easily. Almost like it's almost like okay. He's done that yet. Challenging actually take take those goal five dollar golden doll five dollars here in five golden coins. Which immediately she wants to use for what for go to buy the jacket for the Dad. He has good intentions. That I guess is even led astray by those good intentions because he meets the Fox and the cat and they see he has these gold coins and they WANNA steal them. So they're like here. We'll get more more gold coins and that kind of leads to the next episode of the movie. I would say which is like his adventure with the Fox and the cat where they they trick him into like. If you bury them there would be like a tree with two thousand coins growing on it right and and they also tried to assassinate him. Did you and steal the gold. And they stream up lynch him they did you lynch him. I'd also say that we'd just skip the cricket thing we also cricket one of crickets shows later as a ghost but then also shows up after that again. Five again internal logic not concerned about go. You can suspend your logic for the movie then. It's okay but if you like stick to. Oh this doesn't make sense. This doesn't make executives in Hollywood work but this is the world record. Hollywood cool with it. So he is Seemingly killed by these guys in their attempt to get his money and and it's at this point that he meets the blue fairy issue was kind of do like Juliet thing on her balcony hanging. That's another thing it's like at first. He sees her and then she doesn't talk to him. I always wondered like what is that. Because that's sort of like a it's like. She's kind of emotionally distant distant. Says there's no one home? Yeah Yeah now the big question is do you think. She's going to like motherly figure. Oh definitely or does he have would for her? I think both I think both how will do we think Pinocchio is supposed to be eight eight years old. Eighteen years old going to get it can get a boner at an eight like yeah. I think so right. Probably can't wild. I don't think most boys do. I heard of a three year old having a Boehner the other day. Oh there's there's like coal reaction I don't know how many eight getting a boner out of sexual. I'll do an informal survey. I'm glad I'm glad you talked about it last night when I was working I was approached by some teens outside the whole foods asking me to buy them alcohol. I should've asked. Then that's your connection to the and that's how I know. Those I think those Zimmer still was Andrew Hayworth Zuma I we have we have this conversation and sometimes he's not he's like a young millennial is like the Zumur. Cutoff is like the end of the nineties and his birthdays. I think he's ninety five. Yeah I did not buy alcohol for them because I was working but I did wish them luck and I think they did eventually find someone but it was when I was a teenager and we want we needed someone to buy US alcohol. We inches like approach someone in the parking function. Iro they should be on. Read it asking people to buy them alcohol online and have them like mail it. Yeah that's it. Yeah the the he definitely has a boner for his mother figure. It's not a physical one. At least an emotional emotional Boehner. He's Boehner in himself like he's his very nature a hard on so she saves him right she by him and this is the first time his nose. We have the nose at forty minutes looked at the mark. All Pinocchio is known for three things is made of wood. Great number to his father makes him. He's nose grows the three so he knows where he's lies and so I was like why is it a forty minute mark. For the first time we see his nose grow right only late. It only happens when he's in her house. What happens in this and left? Exactly what happens in their original so I said well you know what that's because that's what the guy wrote or whatever the time so here I go executives with Hollywood. Wouldn't like it okay. Yeah but eighteenth century perfect and I would say this is the first time he promises to be good right. Yeah he's like okay. I've learned from my mistakes. I'll be good and then immediately goes out and tries to bury his money in the ground to grow money tree the Fox and the cat of course steele that money. We never see them again. Which I was surprised by no because they were never really scary enough. They were just like they were like a musical cats. You know I was looking at the actors. 'cause they're all like all the actors are like Clown People That's cool and this interaction. Where his money gets stolen ultimately leads to Pinocchio going to jail where he meets a hot boy awfully early schoolboy mov probably twenty eight years old yeah twenty eight years of also one of the one of the youngest actors in the movie one of the youngest character. Yeah he's a very handsome Neronha and he's a bad boy yeah And because we're told solves sure. Although he presents he likes to be seen in that light. I think like he gets that he has a boner for it. I really love how that actor portrayed that particular character Because like you really get the sense that he. He's basically a rebel. He doesn't like being told what to do. But you get a lot of the actors in the movie. They do this but you see like they're adults but then when they they speaker they talk about something. They suddenly transformed into little children in their the their delivery in the way. And so with this this actor. Hugh is really good. I thought like he's like someone who maybe he is told what to do at home all the time and he he loves. He can't even believe that he's able to be bad and he gets a kick out of it. It's tragic because he has won the tragic endings and like at his heart. He's just this kid who just wants to have fun and he's been told by whatever adult or whoever abuse or whatever it is. You can't do this or like you know. Fuck and like. He is a standout of how yeah totally. Yeah so it's like in the world of like we like the the extras everybody's just like peasant people. He's like the the hot like Hollywood type even think like he as the character should get some good stuff happened to him but nobody gives a shit. He's a fucking just like spent five years in prison. The teacher has written him off ready to fail. Mass Jealous of him. That's share everybody's because he's so good looking all the lollipops. Oh no what. Grown man eat then lollipops together. Yeah I mean I. It's like this is representative of this movie. Two grown men playing two young schoolboys just licking lollipops back and forth. And this is what this movie. I'll remember twenty years from now. I love that exchange actually quick. He's like he's he tells like Roberto. Pinocchio like an ICE. I stole all the lollipops and they thought they had me but they thought it was like twenty seven but it's like twenty eight and then pulled up and they loose senior low will lick one side. Pinocchio will look the other and they really do go to town on. That long comes back. The touchstone for their relationship is tangerine flavored lally flavors para diso cinema parodies shut out the Fellini Pinocchio. No it's like a Fellini Marge but we need to not make it. Yeah that's more. That's I think that was probably test. Everybody who was offended by my mistake. Especially the world's foremost Fellini Scholar. Read my journal above leaning. Pinocchio spends four months in jail During which the ferry dies and we don't home in Japan Tokyo I was rose sad. I cried earlier this morning. Multiple points in the movie and that was like the. That's the first like emotional life where I don't know what it is but like that when he discovers the grave It just like it always plays right. This heightened character to me his performances. The highlight of the Phil. Because he's so committed to this that even you know like he doesn't he's intensity doesn't go down like motions change of course but he's intensities always like a nine or ten and he's really going for it. It's pretty cool to watch. He's released from prison. Because the king has a baby boy baby boy and so all the prisoners super important in this world. We know that a couple of women really the blue fairy. He is that it. I mean there's a couple of like extra ladies. Yeah Oh right. Some of the puppets are women. Yeah they're they have no guys yeah and he discovers that the blue fairy has seemingly died almost immediately after his father seemingly. Yeah so that's the mid point of the movie right. Always every movie has big mid point when everything just fucking like. It's just like the we're going into the next gear like we're going. We're not strolling. Were king running like we're not swimming. We're like torpedoing like this. Amid point of the movie and I think that point of this movie is his father runs parents. Both as your mom and dad pretty much died and he becomes an orphan but not for long. Yeah not almost this this very great quote Unquote Very Far Away. Stunt shot him dropping out so funny. I love that. Were trying to make dropped into water. Delay Notes stunk man. It's very far away. You can't tell the human teachers but almost immediately we find the blueberries not dead. No I feel. She failed her death to chemo. Ya I know that's why it's like. It is kind of like a whole like trying to get kids to be wholesome. Then everyone's manipulating everyone and and it seems like it's working. He wants again. Promises is going to be good now? And he's going to go to school and he goes to school and finds that the other school children have his hat and they kind of are playing. Keep away won't give him his hat back. And then there's a bullying starts. There's some bullying he they but then they get. They're all involved in a playful scuffle kind of he sees the kids fighting these like fun and in the course of this fight boys murdered well. I don't think it's martyrdom because if you go into hospitality. Why did you ever see him again? It seems like it's a pretty serious head wound some sort of subdural hematoma some sort and I like to think that he's made it Lynn Slam. Do we see that kid at the birthday party. Yeah I was looking for when I was watching early. And you don't see him but you see the kid who murdered and I was like. Why is nobody talking? But they're all the good kids. Nokia is falsely there so those fuckers alike Kylie leading all the other boys around away and Pinocchio is arrested for the murder But he gets away he just runs it. The only thing that like is like Oh bummer. He's still has and he gets caught in a bear trap and a man forces him to become his dog which by no means he should be inspired to think that this boy can become an attack. Dog like he distinct. He Closes Walis trading in any way useful as a guard dog and in fact when an unknown presence enters onto this man's Property Pinocchio does it. I go wolf. Ooh But then immediately says ams just pretend to be a dog voice at the heart unruly men he frees Pinocchio from the eat some lollipops probably everytime POPs. I felt like they would be like an lollipops a metaphor for but there was no matter for the religious into lollipop. I'd be like me is you did show people. Jalen nod to the corruption initials. They rather when they took the evidence away from the they themselves. Remember what happens after all? This thing happens which is a very another molesting looking character. You know there's not a character that makes me just throw up. A bald guy would also like blond hair who is writing the horse carriage of the guy who kind of takes them to like pleasure to a loving land or something that but that doesn't happen immediately so Pinocchio gets rescued and then he goes back home again. So yeah and again. He promises the blue fairy that he's going to be a good boy now. His nose grows again and this is when she is so easily convinced every time because this time she's like okay. I really believe you this. I'm going to turn into a real boy that that's doesn't express the desire to become a real boy until she tells him she'll granted to him because in the book it's like he always wanted to be the real aesthetically. He's a minority. Is doesn't look wooden. Everybody thinks he's a team but he wants it. He wants it. Wants you mentioned. He decided that that is his want. And all of the students are invited to this real boy party except the one who died and and accept Lou Senior Fellow Centerpiece Placements but Pinocchio Wants Lucina Law to be there and the blue fairy agrees. She's like yes this is. You're showing a good part of your character that you want your friend to be here but In reuniting with these Lucina low he does get seduced by Jeffrey Jones. Looking Guy who takes them to pleasure town yeah of course it should have been alarms over at like Red Flag. Tau like there's just a carriage drawn by like a ballistic looking man whose like old drooling lower himself to the Blair or l and old boys hanging off like we'll grown man but also men boys Greg just like off of this carriage ready to go. What is he thinking? Why was this the one thing he ever wanted to do? Not Benigno because we know he doesn't but the the handsome boy. Yeah Yeah. That's all he wanted to have fun and boy do they and boy does he Go to pleasure town and it's a lot of pleasure. I oh yeah. They're having a great time so does seem fun for an eight year old boy. Yeah a lot of intensity. It's a fair taken to like ten like if affairs at six like pump it up to like one percent more. Yeah I really. That scene is interesting that whole exchange after the party is like or when when Baena comes home to the blue fairy like what I noticed is like the relationship between Bernini and the ferry changes because before it was like more like mother son. Sort of like she. She's his save it and she's still a savior but it's like. I feel like at that point in the film it changes more to like. Maybe a husband wife dynamic because he's coming home after doing some bad stuff whatever and so. He's like sneaking home in like a mon. Just go to bed honey. And then she runs back then like when he goes to rescue lamp or go invite his friend to come over to the party. Then they have this exchange in. It's kind of like he's saying like I'm GonNa go to Vegas and I'm a party like like do drugs and you know and like it's going to be so great you should come and then he's like no. I'm not going to go. And then he comes back around and then he's like so is so it's like it's like he's being tempted away from his 'cause 'cause beneath says something like oh. I have to go back to my ferry but basically my wife and so he's trying to be like a good husband Then he ends up being taken to this like pleasure like like Vegas kind of like this. He's always got the measure. You know resented. Also whatever the hell they're called pleasure receptacles Kutner receptors. But they're fighting. You know the the frontal cortex I mean I just visualized that. It looks great what he wants versus what he needs. Yeah and what he needs is to become good lovin from that fairy the blue fairy. It's so then we'll have this whole thing with the cricket and it's almost his whole sequences shot cricket cricket at the at the pleasure island and you know freaking out and jumping around and almost getting killed but it's a live cricket. It's not a ghost of the cricket anymore. He's live now again and so he's jumping around and Looking militias And he dies because a symbol gets thrown on top of him. Yeah but he's able to use his fine gap but then he lifts yeah he is not able to get Pinocchio and time to warn him that he'll become a donkey. If he continues to indulge in this way and he does. Pinocchio becomes a donkey in kind of the band. The cricket kind of just like Oh you're donkey now see you later. The crooked C Harry put upon and Jimmy and the cartoon. He's more committed to his charge. This guy's like but honestly I feel like if you had to deal with Roberto Benigno. You've probably have the same slash. Maybe Kill and Pinocchio and Lou. Oh both become become don. Who's Finocchio is sold to a circus Where he's didn't sequence of shooting of animals kind of making animals suffer. Yeah there is a lot of questionable treatment of animals with whips and Stepping on them you know I I assume law the law Italy at the time was more On the side of the I want to go back like that whole transformations that was so. It's so to me it's really emotional in like a scary scary. No not really crying exactly but actually. Kinda because like to me. It's kind of a metaphor for like because every when I watches film I always think of like what is the equivalent in the real world or the adult world. Okay and so like this is about like people growing up so like I think that whole pleasure island is like that like just go into excess on things like maybe like like partying or doing drugs or something and so to me that whole where lamb quick becomes like the donkey. It's kind of like it's almost like when I didn't do this but like Like this idea of like you party really hard when you're young and then like some people like they end up like you know od ing or or dying or fucking their lives up and then some people like Pinocchio survived lamps kind of like one of those people who he when you see him on the ground. It's like he's he's like just physically. He's hit his rock bottom. Your he's like about till I die almost like Oh dear. He's like a casualty of that. Whole lifestyle yeah. You don't know what's going to happen to your. Yeah he always calls him like the was it like noble or majestic noble spirit. Nothing noble about him. He's not he's kind of fucked up. Conoco is not a very good circus donkey and he gets thrown into the ocean because he's not Performing to satisfaction and the Blue Fairy Turns Him Back Into Pinocchio but just in time to be eaten by a shark slash wail. Yeah and this is. This is an essential part of the story. This is in the Disney cartoon because this is where he's finally reunited with his father Peto. I did enjoy the part where Benigno pretends to be tuna tuna. I did like that. That's all no author questioning. Okay here's the story of my life. Preference pref prefaces every statement going Blah Blah. Yeah sounds like a total idiot stuff. I mean a lot of the scenes in this movie in general maybe even this one too they feel like they exist so that the characters can do bits. It's all just games and it's really it's not for the story. They get sneezed out of monster pro. And this is the point in the movie where Pinocchio Finally Buckles. Down and be comes a good boy though. I don't really know why these books no reason. Yeah it's unclear to me why this is the time that finally takes. Pinocchio gets a job so that he can earn milk for Japan. Such a pedal can get stronger and in doing so he. We do see the death of Lucille or Islamic. What they call him and the net. I think that's what it is in known in the DUB it's Leonardo in the Disney version is low. Okay Okay L. Guy. Very handsome boy. He is still a donkey and he's been worded almost unto death and Pinocchio Sip like he was sick inside. There was a sickness inside him up this excess but his but also society down. He grabbed the teachers and everyone the police they all that he was a bad guy and so he became a bad boy in fucking. He's straight up dies he does. I was surprised that there was no time. They were going to bring him back as a ghost and that is a real donkey again but there was no time the movie ended covered him up with a blanket and I thought the blanket was going to come down and it would be the handsome boy again but none died. Cut that out because they wanted to space specifically me and that was that I would buy as being the thing that finally Turns Pinocchio around but he's already turned around. I think what it was. I think what it is is that he actually started to work to save his dad. What turns them around. And I think that's sort of the moral the story because here's a person basically who has like basically it's a toddler who doesn't have any empathy. He's kind of like a sociopath. Narcissus psychopath kind of person. And so it's like how do you how do you if you're if you're that kind of person? How do you become good? You know what's the secret because you're always just going? You might have good intentions. But you don't know what to do and then so it's like you have to find a way to have empathy and to work do something instead of for yourself for other people And I think it's a little SIP honestly. I think it's a little bit of a simplified idea because kids. Yeah there's this whole also like okay. If you start doing things for other people then you kind of blue you could in the real world you can run the risk of losing yourself in who you are but I think that's at least the story way it's fine. You can do stuff I tell you. It's okay but it's interesting because to me. The best part of this film if not the only good part of this film is River to Benin's performance and I was very curious how he's going to act as a real boy compared to the Borodino and we don't really get a chance to know we do a little bit and there's a couple of scenes I noticed. There's very subtle change that he does. You know I mean this whole changes subtle but I did like what he did because he just added a little bit of like vulnerability to his acting like all of a sudden like he was like internalizing things because he was talking to his father and I was a key still totally that character who was in the previous scenes but I really liked how he just became a little bit. More open to suggestions of like being affected by another person can see things from other wiser. It's almost like how do you do some a little bit wiser like like that's a pretty like how detail performance other was pretty cool like that and so then the movie and yeah that's it And then nobody. Nobody writes a review about. It is changed forever so want to read some of the reviews from that time just to hear a reaction from you. The azure to see what you think of the things. These critics thought One that we can look at Owen Glieberman who wrote for entertainment weekly for a long time And he is specifically talking about the dubbed version. Which you just watch He says would Benin's Italian. Pinocchio have been any easier to sit through than this hastily dubbed disaster. Yeah so there's a story behind that. So apparently Benin had originally like done the English version two and so but because of his English skills like he and the production crew were like. Oh this is not working so they. They literally like slapped together Like a dubbed version with other actors. So I mean I thought going back like listening to the the DUB version I thought given the the actors were good at what they're doing but I really feel like like for one the person who dubbed Your Friend Who Dub Pinocchio I feel like you say he's my friend is my colleague Brechin Meyer. I feel like because it sounded like. He's he sounded his. He must have been really young back then because his voice. I think he's probably in the seventeen or something. Yeah Yeah it sounded like a fourteen year old I think in the two thousands he was probably in his twenties. Okay okay but it sounded very useful and so it doesn't match. He's a wheel is small guy and it doesn't match like Benin is visually what he's doing and so that's clearly not a child and and to me kind of missed the the casting kind of missed the whole point of what. This particular film is trying to do which is show adults acting like kids. Not showing adults as kids but as acting like children being being immature history deep thought it. Because it's it's almost like on the surface this choice. That was made looks like a mistake. Almost like it's like what are they forecasting. Think like we're going to look at it and be like look past it. No there's done so the you. Embrace it with the graders with the people who made that creative choice you know. They're not trying to trick. You know point. Do they think they're getting away with it that so it must be yes. He gave it an f. The last one. We could look at his rex reed. Who's kind of a crazy guy? Now but in two thousand and two he said lethal for kids and unspeakable insult to adults. This unreleased fiasco is torture for all. Did it come out in theaters Yeah Yeah I did. Yeah I think flying releasable as Brung already. I think he meant it in a way like they should I they were. He was so worried about what they do. When one thing I think also is the timing of when that movie came out it was released in two thousand and two and it's a movie about being like youthful like being childlike adult post. Nine Yard. Exactly. I do like the nine. Eleven context That's interesting that it wasn't anything about that because I mean when do you think it was written like the only green lit in Italy? I don't know how long things get. Green lit in the production. Like was it approved before nine. Eleven on our after. We'll never know but it's it's likely that it was going for sure to happen. After the horrible thing it was released in October. Two thousand tune Italy and so that's over year after nine. Eleven probably like started proper production. After was that the reason nine eleven happened like Osama Bin Laden saw that this movie was going into production. He was not a fan of life is beautiful and he said it's pure evil force. He hated life earful to be evil to dislike that movie. But we can talk about that. I do remember all right. Any final thoughts were arguments. You WanNa make on its behalf year. Oh one thing is like people who take this movie to be like a real like a like a modern movie or something with like no pot holes or you know just things supposed to make sense implying too. Much logic to yeah. They're not GonNa like this movie because this movie is really about. It's it's it's about like child like even the Character Pinocchio. His psychology is just very childlike. And so he just take things as they come to him. So there's no real logic to it. Yeah and so you kind of have to enter into that world with that mindset otherwise yet it's not literal. It's very realistic. If I was going to rate it I'm thinking a comparison point movie that I could make would be like pee. Wee's big adventure are Paul. Reubens is playing this very specific character who can be quite grading Intentionally so who goes out into the world a an experienced life? I like that movie a lot. I would put that at probably a nine. This movie Sasha's ensuring that you say that Roberto Benin's performances the thing that works for you because for me that is nothing where it did not work. I think he. He clearly played so many roles in the production of this movie. He directed it and everything. There are a lot of great ideas in this movie. I I really like some of the smaller moments where. He's just reacting to things the when he finally reunites with the blue fairy like the second or third time She's in disguise is an old woman and he's like carrying her water and when he finds out it's her he drops her water jug on the ground and it breaks and she has another want any picks that up. Yeah and then he ends up dropping that one to those small moments. I are really good. And he's clearly a funny guy very talented but he when he is unleashed to whatever extent he wants to go. It is too much for me. You know when when you're getting pure unadulterated Roberto Bernini. I kinda he kind of loses me. That's also the way I feel about. Life is beautiful. I'm not a fan of life is beautiful I saw that movie when it came out in theaters but I was like seven years old and I don't I didn't know was a holocaust movie. I don't know how much I knew about the holocaust of the time. I mean certainly knew about it because I'm Jewish. I grew up with that being part of my cultural awareness. But at that movie has never struck the right tone for me what it's doing Your description of the movie as kind of travelogue of maturity is pretty interesting. I like that approach to it And I like what you're saying about this. Being experience of looking at what being a child means to an adult like that too. I wish I had felt it more when watching the movie and I think for me. This movie is like a four. Ooh Yeah Yeah it was not I I have to say I thought I was going to hate it. I was kind of dreading watching. You know we onto it partly because I thought was going to be two and a half hours. 'cause uncle said it was. I ended up liking it more than I thought I would okay. That's good Sasha how much you I'm yeah I think is great. Adventure is a great comparison because it is a little bit more for like teens. Were like other lessons or even an adult film compared to this. That's the only thing I'm like because I wanted to be as fair as possible to this film and even though it's very comparable to be great adventure. I almost feel like it's unfair for me to take that spooks such a great film and compared to this one because it's much more mature that Film Pee. Wee's film so that I almost feel like maybe it's just better to because I'm trying to look at this film and see it as a child like would I think about it as a child and I. I think I can't do it like as much as they can. I can imagine watching this film as a child to be like. Would I find this interesting? And the answer is no I as much as I enjoyed the clown performance like how big this performances from Roberta Benin and he's reactions. They're both very specific but they're like at ten like a really liked that but I feel like it's grown adult the performance as really enjoying him so as an adult. I would give it a four but as a kid. I think I would not be watching this movie. I'll give it to. It never really feels like Pinocchio is hit hard enough to learn the lesson that he ultimately learns by the end of the movie. The good news is that inside out is at one and this film is that for and again I refused to accept your rating. Because you didn't watch the whole movie walked out of inside out after. What do you think thirty minutes? Probably it's famously. You've one of the most disputed like walkouts that I've done on the Phil by France. If I may call them up way frenemies what about you. Todd this is not important talking about this. Is that how you feel and compare it to well? Okay so I think. There's two ways to compare it one is like other of psychoanalysis been doing. I'm really into that other Benin movies and then also Like fantasy type movies like I. I'm a big fan of the baron Munchausen which is also another Box Office just saying select books books again. Your Big Gilliam head. Yeah I like those. Yeah definitely definitely and so like I would say And I get. I'm probably pretty biased too. Because I grew up with the story as a kid. So that's why I was trying to figure out like Oh am I getting emotional because it? It's is it part partly like due to like some childhood and I mean aren't we all wired that way totally to be you know explanatory about. Yeah I guess like from Benin standpoint like I think his other movies. They're more grounded in reality so like this project Lips Nokia. I feel like because he does come from. I think like a clown background. He's playing this puppet character. Just the whole production is very stylized and he plays with the suspension of reality that you get with live theatre and live Especially the clown ascetic. I I really like this movie because of that and so I I would say. It's one of my favorites of his. I would give it in that respect. Maybe seven or eight and then in terms of the fantasy type films like Y'all like never ending story or Baron von Munchausen time bandits those I would say The I love the production quality like like the sets and everything I think the it's not as polished as some of those other films Non Exempts No. Exactly no no. No no no. Nobody is trying to rewrite the first draft nobody was even trying to rein in Roberto Bernini on this movie. Yeah and that way. I do like it because it's like such an artistic. It's obviously this guy he has this vision and it's like a national like story and like you can tell like. Pinocchio is like really important to him because he's actually in this new version of tonight ed or I don't know if it came out but I think it came out in Italy last year but now he's playing to Peta Right. He's he's aged into the role and so it's like seven like I'm conflicted here too. Because to me he captured the to me. What the essence of Pinocchio is. There's if you look at the scenes and really break it down. There's a lot of symbolism in stuff that he really paid attention to So it's hard I don't know I'll give it. I'll give this seven on that all right seven or eight certainly better than any of the rise of US Thank you thank you. Thank you for sure does would've never seen another way. Was there anything over the course of last week? That caught your attention. Do you WanNa talk about because it's underrated in talking about. I don't know if this is not underrated but it's probably something most people haven't seen and in talking about adults playing kids like approaching this this idea. I want to recommend the musical. The fifth annual Putnam County. Spelling Bee The premises it's a spelling bee And You're following the kids who are competing in the spelling bee and on Broadway and in Gen traditionally community theater productions. They're all played by adults. I'm sure it's performed at high schools a lot too but the ideas that you have adults playing children competing in a spelling bee and you kind of learn you get to see their insecurities and all that through the course of the show. It's really fun show I did it. I performed it at one time. It was a great experience. One of my favorite shows that I've done as It's recommending a musical so it's not like easy to find but honestly this is pretty easy musical to put up so chances are if you live in an area where people do community theater you can probably find a production going up Sometime Soon so you know. Google Twenty Fifth Annual Putnam County Spelling. Bee and your town name. You'll probably get some sort of result but even if not the cast recording is really fun to listen to and you can find you could probably find a bootleg version online of the original cast. But it's a great show. Sasha how about you since we're talking about kids stuff. I'll recommend an animated show on ethics. That's not for kids it's Call Toco Birdie and it's about Two birds that are very millennial wild ladies and they're roommates and best friends and all kinds of adventures to get into and the fact that they're birds makes it just better shelter to former guest. Lorraine degrom right worked on that show Nice. Do you have anything like plugs? I'm currently involved in two projects that I enjoyed doing One is a group of three person. Group called the Zebra. It's consists of myself Meg Chang and Zach remers and so we a hilarious team. Yeah Yeah it's a lot of fun. We have loved sexually charged like your performance. Is You like other? GonNa fuck on stage like in the very loving way much like the scenes between Pinocchio and the Blue Fairy Insurance hot. I mean they talk about chemistry on the Improv teams but the team of a clowns like just grinding against each other. It's odd thing. Yeah I can't imagine are Improv team. Grinding against each other only fans God grinding guests. If you WANNA check out zebra We have a residency at the second or no excuse me the fourth Sunday of the month at The show the variety show cats be which is run by Chad Damiani. And so that's at the clubhouse What's the other one the electric house? That's another clown was more like a clown company headed by a Jack and Chad Damiani. And so basically yeah we take Like classical plays or classical literature and we make clown version. That's fine I really. So that's really cool. Big Thank you to salute for our album artwork. Thank you Andrew. Heyward for the Interim Outra music thank you Carlton. Gillespie for video. Thank you Jay hundred productions of war and the thank you.

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Sept. 12, 2019: 3rd Democratic Debate; Irish Ambassador On Brexit

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Sept. 12, 2019: 3rd Democratic Debate; Irish Ambassador On Brexit

"This message comes from here and now sponsor indeed if you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes set up screener questions than zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast from NPR and WB are i'm jeremy armie hobson i'm robin young it's here and now and tonight the third democratic presidential debate will take place in houston texas ten candidates qualified elizabeth warren comes to houston ascending sending in popularity but joe biden still leads in polling the two will share a stage tonight for the first time the third front runner bernie sanders will be there as well NPR political correspondent aswell holidays in houston osma what will you be looking for you hit the nail on the head right there i mean this is the first time that massachusetts senator elizabeth warren and and former vice president joe biden will be on the same debate stage and that dynamic will be fascinating to watch a new the two of them have had a long history they have clashed before four on bankruptcy legislation and even in this campaign they're both fundamentally running different styles of campaign elizabeth warren talks often on the stump about the need for a big structural change and your biden is sort of talked a lot more about the need for a continuation of the obama administration's legacy i get the hunch that they will not this is libby direct attacks on joe biden from elizabeth warren because she knows that that did not necessarily bode well for some of the candidates who did hit joe biden more directly in the previous estimates well and i'm remembering in a previous debate she was standing right next to bernie sanders they share a lot of the same thinking it was almost as if they went back to back together as a team you know taking on the other candidates it'll be interesting to see what happens here also on the stage of senators cory booker of new jersey kamala harris california amy klobuchar of minnesota bernie sanders south bend indiana mayor pete buttigieg obama housing secretary julio castro former representative a better aerobic of texas and tech investor andrew yang and that's all the time we have first segment the point is that there's a lot of people still on the stage what are you looking for for any any of them you know when you talk to campaign some of them have made this point that it's still a really congested debate stage is going to be crowded the actual number of candidates is still on par what we had in the first two debates and so some of them are trying to downplay expectations saying like look you know we just sort of have to grin and bear it get through this but we don't anticipate that it's going to lead to sort of a bump and momentum for anybody one campaign told me something i think rather interesting they actually think in some ways the debates have become somewhat more of a liability they say some candidates it's have actually seen their prospects dim after having a really viral moment in a dippy and and they'll point to someone like california senator tacoma harris who in the first debate clash ask directly with joe biden on the issue of busing she got an immediate bump but then over time we haven't seen her fortunes rise in the polls and anecdotally when i've gone out and talk to african american voters i did hear from some folks who felt like they did not appreciate what kamala harris did in that debate and in some cases they had been considering both her and biden and then and leaned more toward biden as a result of what they saw between the two of them in that debate so a cautionary note i mentioned the ceasefire between bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and other other debates do you think he's been slipping a little in the polls while she's been surging according to some impure reporting more democrats say they like her than any other candidate although in when they're actually polled biden still continues to lead in almost all of the polls do you think that their ceasefire though oh may end tonight if he really needs to get ahead i i don't think so i spoke with sanders campaign manager the other day and you oh he made it clear that they don't find it effective to attack an ally who is on the same page is them around public policy that being said they do want to make some differentiations between themselves and warren and so even to us on the phone he made the point that that sanders has run this grass roots focused campaign in for a long time and they feel like that makes him unique that he's been saying very consistently the same message for years overall the split tonight seems to be between biden the more moderate seen by midday progressives as just not wanting to do enough in this moment seen by his supporters as just the person may be whoo some former trump supporters orders in two thousand twenty how much you will see that split tonight we'll some progresses maybe listen to what others have been saying others within the party saying it's it's too soon to go as far as let's say medicare for all the major argument that a lot of carrots are gonna be trying to make onstage is around this notion of collectability when you look at why voters often support joe biden it will come down to the idea that they want a candidate who will beat donald trump but the biden campaign disagrees with this being sort of the main reason folks is supporting the former vice president but i think that will likely see some other candidates because we've already seen kind of precursors of this i was at the new hampshire democratic state party convention the other day and we saw so many candidates make the argument that you cannot choose a candidate right now in this moment just because it's the quote unquote safe option you we need to choose the person that you genuinely believe in when it comes to joe biden though in terms of moderates and progressives look the biden campaign has told us pretty bluntly that they i do anticipate biden will defend and continue to defend the obama administration's record and we saw some candidates hit that record whether it was around health care or immigration in previous as debates so whether some folks interpret that is being too moderate or not we'll see but his campaign did tell us that he will do that NPR political correspondent asthma holly thank you you're welcome well in addition to the presidential race next year there will be house races and senate races and one of the most vulnerable sitting senators is in the state of maine republican susan collins collins who long political career is built on reputation as a centrist but that image is under threat both by controversial votes collins has taken and polarizing trump presidency agency that has enraged and energize democrats and aligned activists main public radio steve mesler reports senator collins hasn't officially announced whether social seek reelection next year but she's acting in talking as if it's a near certainty i m laying the groundwork and certainly would run an aggressive campaign pain should i decide to run collins as long political career has been constructed on a reputation that she's not too right not to left she's in the middle oh like most mainers in voters here have rewarded her for it sending her back to congress with landslide victories in each of her three reelection bids but her image image is under siege and so the sixty six year old collins has been trying to bolster it my hope is that both parties can get back to the medal i think the middle is where most americans are on a recent main public radio call in show collins was asked whether donald trump encapsulates the values of the republican party three years ago collins contemplate a similar question after trump won the republican nomination for president she responded with a column in the washington post which he later discussed in an interview with PBS newshour he lacks the temperament the judgment the knowledge college and the self restraint to be our next president the contrast and collins's responses help illustrate part of the reelection challenge she faces now the president may be a polarizing figure but polls show he's popular with republican voters in the aftermath of surprising win which included a historic victory in mainz more more rural second congressional district were collins lives spurred questions about the senator's political future i think so the cons is done in maine i take her decision to go against the wishes of the main republicans really goose that was former maine republican governor pala page speaking on conservative radio station asian WGN shortly after trump's two thousand sixteen election victory la- page frequently described as a trump prototype has since backed off as political obituary jewelry for collins and he's praised her for a vote could have electoral consequences for the senator in two thousand twenty mr president i will vote took confirm judge cabinet and i am so furious at our senator i miss rational republicans tenth voters like gale foss were upset collins is vote to confirm supreme court judge brad kavanagh last october many saw it as a betrayal of a pro choice stance on abortion russian activists had previously viewed as persuadable and sometimes they're pressure campaigns and protests seem to work in two thousand seventeen collins oppose the GOP attempt to repeal the affordable care act and she was greeted by a spontaneous standing ovation at the bangor airport it really what sawicki high warming and firming but in two thousand seventeen collins voted for GOP tax law that repeal the affordable care act mandate that individuals have health insurance or pay a penalty that vote touched touched off an acceleration in the break between collins and liberal activists in the persuasion protests have largely faded and now been replaced with ads like this now i voted for but now she's taken all this big corporate money and voted to give them one hundred billion dollars in tax breaks it's not fair liberal groups are also so highlighting collinses campaign donors which include billionaires like robert diana mercer who fund breitbart news and are among the president's biggest financial backers an members of the federalist society who advised the president on judicial nominees like cavanaugh meanwhile the cavenaugh vote spawn crowd funding campaigns that generated more than four four million dollars money that will go to collins democratic challenger among the contenders is main house speaker sarah gideon who attacked collins as much discuss independence in her campaign launch video getting things done for mainers is what were reluctant to do not falling in line behind the demands of someone else it doesn't matter if that person is paula page mitch mcconnell or donald trump university of maine political science professor mark brewer says gideon and democratic hopefuls like betsy sweet have a tough path to defeat collins brewer believes that despite a morning console polls showing a sixteen point drop in her favorability to forty five percent collins collins in her brand are still formidable he says she'll have to navigate the steady chaos of a trump presidency but how that's the million dollar question right and i and i don't know that anybody he has the answer to that including the senator herself and her reelection campaign staff i mean it's an incredibly difficult needle she's trying to thread here collins will decide if she's up to the task the formal reelection announcement october for here and now i'm steve mesler in portland maine there there are new calls today for the british parliament to reconvene after a couple of major developments i a scottish court ruled that prime minister boris johnson shutdown of parliament was unlawful all implying that he had lied to the queen about why he wanted to shut down parliament second a secret document outlining the worst fears of the government in the case of a no deal brexit was released i and it isn't pretty it warns of food and medicine shortages and protests and road blockages on the border between northern ireland which is part of the UK and ireland which is part of the EU we're joined now by the irish ambassador to the united states daniel mulhall in washington ambassador welcome thank you to talk to you well what are your biggest concerns or what are the biggest concerns of the irish government at this point about a possible no deal breaks it but the problem is that this is an unprecedented situation i don't think any country has ever left left a free trade area as advanced as the european union and put nothing in its place for example imagine if the united states were to leave nafta and put nothing in its place place think of the disruption that would cause i mean the US is is has replaced nafta with the US MCA and that's currently undergoing ratification him but meanwhile the nafta agreement remains in place so that you have continuity the problem is that if britain leaves the european union on the thirty first of october without a deal it goes from having a completely smooth and i and clear trading relationship with its nearest neighbours to having nothing to having to start afresh and this is nobody is quite sure how will work out but the the documents produced by the british government this week we're certainly alarming but the problem is that there's uncertainty factor in that nobody can be sure because this kind of thing has never happened before or are you worried about violence on the border between northern ireland and ireland i don't like to to talk about it's violence we have two concerns the first is that we have a major trading relationship with the united kingdom which has been operating within the single market for the last twenty years completely free of any restrictions if you introduce a situation where britain is no longer in the customs union no longer the single market no longer in the european union our trade with britain is bound to be affected to a negative degree and that would be economically damaging for us but the more serious political problem is that there will be a great deal of uncertainty on the border between ireland northern ireland because if the UK's outside the customs union aren't will be obliged to protect the european single single market so at the problem would be how do we maintain an open border in those circumstances governments determined to maintain bar because we think that having any kind of border controls news on the island of ireland would be risky it would be politically risky we economically disruptive of course that's one thing that's that's important too but the political risk at that would entail is is the one that we are really concerned about because peace in northern ireland has saved so many lives or the last twenty one years the united states played a big role in bringing about the good friday agreement through the chairmanship of senator george mitchell but that peace is fragile because there hasn't been a government in northern ireland now for two and a half years more and this means that there's a bit of a political vacuum cume and if you toss into that political vacuum the disruptions created by brexit's it just ratchets up the political atmosphere northern ireland in an on a happy way and unwelcome way and that's what we fear but these are fears that have been around now for three years since the brexit referendum and it doesn't seem like any plan has been put into place of what's actually actually gonna happen as soon as the end of next month wh why do you think that hasn't happened yet nobody's come to an agreement about what to do about the irish border because it's easy to say leaving the EU but after forty five years of european union membership leaving turned out to be far trickier prospect anybody imagined when the referendum was taking place when the referendum was on embassador in the UK and there was very little attention paid to the bar the assumption was everything will be fine to worry no no problems i did try to warn people back time that there would be difficulties those difficulties have become the crux of the issue between the UK and the european union because ireland is the only place in europe where there's a land border between the european union and the united kingdom and and the problem is that we had an agreement by the way between the previous government and the european union on withdrawal agreements which included a backstop that would guarantee that would never be border controls in the environment the current british government wants to scrap scrap that backstop it says it has all of ideas that could achieve the same end but we are still awaiting proposals and our prime minister the of radka said publicly that we would welcome alternative proposals but they have to be legally watertight the conscious be political promises we have at the moment a backstop which gives us legal certainty if there was to be an alternative it has to achieve the same certainty rather than just being a political promise do you think that the government of the UK is is going to come up with a new deal before the end of october they've been told by the british parliament that they cannot crash out at the end of october without the deal and they're supposed to go to brussels in mid october and try to reach a new agreement you think that that will happen well we certainly hope so because i would be country apart from from the UK that will be most affected by disastrous brexit of the kind that no deal would bring about so we earnestly hope that we will be able to find solutions but ultimately we had an agreement the british government says it's unable to adhere to that agreement therefore it's really up to them to come up with new proposals as to how they think that agreement can be replaced and then for us how negotiations and hopefully reach a solution i take some comfort in the fact that my experience and i've been forty years now in the irish monaco's i spent a lot of time in brussels at meetings and the european union has a great capacity far achieving agreements even when you think it's not gonna be possible to do so oh and therefore if the government is genuine in seeking deal i would have some hope that we would be able to find some solutions but it really does require the british government's to specify clearly what it wants and how it hopes to achieve the outcome the EU have said we have two concerns ends one is to protect the european single market and the second is to protect peace in northern ireland and the good friday agreement those two aims would have been achieved by the withdrawal withdrawal agreement and the backstop without those aims being achieved no agreement can be reached in my view do you think there's a possibility that there will be a second referendum for the british people to decide whether they really wanna breaks it i couldn't possibly spec on that i mean i resent the irish government look we have benefited greatly partly from your membership over the last forty five years our country has been transformed and part of that transformation has been that it is led to much better relations between britain and harland because we've been partners around that table in brussels over the last forty five years which is allow us to come together to deliver a piece around so we like the status quo we like to see britain either where if it wishes to remain in the we'd be lighted but he leaves the EU we want to see britain as closely aligned as possible to the european union so as to minimize the disruption to relations within europe onto relations between britain and ireland and on the island of ireland those are i mean how exactly those AM's are to be achieved twelve really that's a matter for the british people the british parliament and the british government determine of all the hypotheticals that are out there have to ask you about another one is it possible at any point in the future that ireland would just all be one that that that that's a solution to this problem is for northern ireland ireland to just be part of ireland instead of part of the UK well the good friday agreement of nineteen ninety eight provides far the prospect of a referendum in the future when there is evidence that the might be a majority not in northern ireland that would favor united and both governments have agreed to respect any decision by the people of northern ireland other constitutional future not prospect is there and and we have to wait and see what happens in the years ahead obviously the way breaks at works out will have an effect on thinking in northern but for for me and for our government that is an issue for the future you're not an issue for today the issue for today is how to avoid damage being done by brexit to the precious piece we've developed develop in northern ireland and to the very close relationship that has developed between the UK because those relations for both countries wanna ask you one more thing ambassador that has has nothing to do with brexit which is you're the ambassador in the united states obviously ireland and the US are very close however the recent polls that have come come out of ireland show that president trump has something like a thirteen percent approval rating in your country has that made your job at all difficult that that our leaders are not popular are in your country the java embassador is to deal with the situation as you find it we don't determine who the president of the united states is you don't determine who the who the prime minister is or the president what we have to do is to deal with the administration and the congress as we find it and i have um good relations with people in the administration i talked to them on a regular basis i tried to make sure that they understand our sinking when it comes to a range of issues on trade on brexit and on northern and so forth i have not found my job to be in any way impossible because of the fact that there are clear clear political divisions those divisions exist in all countries after all i was the ambassador to the united kingdom joined the brexit referendum that was by which one more difficult i used i used to so i'm used to dealing with situations where not everyone in the political spectrum agrees with each other look that's just part of it's part of life you know you deal with the field of players you find it and not as you might i want to design it yourself is being the the irish ambassador to the UK right now considered a hardship assignment because i know i it's it's obviously challenging challenging when i was there challenging now it's always challenging you know it's our nearest neighbour and my colleague there does an extremely good job but obviously it's a time when things are going through a certain a state of flux but i think there's a commitment determination on our part of the part of the british government that whatever happens we have to have the closest possible relations with our nearest neighbour because after all the two countries co-guarantors of a very important peace process in northern ireland and whatever happens we have to make sure that peace process preserved and in that we enjoy the support of US administrations over the last twenty five thirty years nobody wants to see the clock turn back in northern out and so that's something that i i think is vitally important and we will remain important whatever happens to brexit in the next six weeks that is irish ambassador to the US annual mulhall ambassador thank you so much for joining us josh de l. o. riddle and bashir salahudeen are african american TV industry veterans a writing and performing team who worked at major outlets like NBC and HBO now they've created two different shows for two different cable channels airing on the same ignite NPR tv critic arrogance caught up with them to talk about them their sherman's showcase on IFC and southside on comedy central one-series series sherman showcase depicts a fictional forty year old soul train style music program or even the opening credits are filled with jokes this episode is brought to you by VHS HSA movies in your own house for just two hundred dollars the other series southside centers on two friends who graduated from community college but are stuck working dead end jobs and a rent to own business in chicago i was supposed to be congratulated my brother and simon last week graduating but then simon they had to go into a bed only it was only NFL like ten hours the jury that was that was more than the rest of the cea so anyway salmon k. good job you did take him eight years to finish community college it was going to point to give it up i'm stupid both shows were co created by writing performing partners diablo riddle and bashir shear salahudeen and both shows air on the same night wednesdays within a half hour of each other in prime time at a time when diversity and TV remains a hot topic the fact that two african american writers have pulled off this feat feels like a lottery win and even riddle can't say for sure how it worked out this way we lucked out i mean in the sense that we found to networks that were willing to both trust us and follow through on their end so houdini who plays host sherman airman mcdaniel on sherman showcase has a different perspective in some ways you make your own luck part of it is us being advanced enough in our careers to demand that were considered a certain way each program minds comedy from a different part of black life i have see sherman showcases sort of a sketch sketch comedy show in disguise the other shows southside on comedy central minds comedy from an eccentric group of characters in an offense stereotype community salahudeen houdini was born and raised in chicago riddled grew up in atlanta they met at harvard university and became writing partners eventually landing writing jobs on NBC's late night with jimmy fallon the to earn emmy nominations but they've had setbacks including show they spent years developing an HBO which never aired salahudeen says their current success success and the triumphs of other comedy creators of color is far from an overnight thing is a great moment but i think it's a moment this worked really hard on while a lot of different people from a different places there were a lot of knows a lot of doors were knocked on a lot of people told no and then people just kept knocking into kept getting better these days the range of comedy shows created aided by and starring people of color significant from FX is atlanta to HBO's insecure random acts of flatness and a black lady sketch show these shows are more more adventurous even absurdist than the traditional comedies many black performers have been allowed to create in the past riddle hopes it's a moment that will last longer than the nineteen ninety s tayeb black center shows like fox's in living color even though there are a lot more of us i think the personalities of the individual creators comes shining through on each of these projects and you know i again i always say i don't know how long this lasts but i do feel like right now we're we're in a very good place hopefully hopefully maybe this time it'll stick around for a little that'd be longer i'm eric day well let's take a break from the news now for a classical edition of the here now DJ sessions joining us today is victory geronimo the host of classic mornings at w. i l. in urbana illinois my hometown hi vic jeremy it's great to have you back and you've got something a little more interesting than i guess a pumpkin spice latte for us this is a special september selection of classical music you know we're the transition here between late summer and in early autumn and i think this musical go real well with the transition time okay with the first one which listeners will certainly recognize is autumn from antonio vivaldi's the four seasons in mm-hmm i know this so well because i played it on the cello when i was young put together a little chamber music group and we put this on and i remember that we had to to bring in one of our music teachers as violinist and somebody said to me afterwards well she did a great job tell us about this one well what you're hearing hiring is the sound of the hunt and that's how vivaldi concludes the concerto he has three pictures the first one is the the merriment that goes along with with the harvest and with the celebration of autumn the second movement from perhaps too much celebrating is sleep and then the third movement is the hunt and you hear just but the use of string instruments you hear the dogs and you hear the horses when you hear the hunting horns and it's pretty exciting finale for the hunt and for autumn okay well the next one that you have brought us is called the last rose of summer this this version is by friedrich von floto from his opera marta and that's soprano that you hear there is renee fleming what is she singing about this is a poem that was written by the irish poet singer songwriter thomas more and it is is indeed about the last rose of summer but it's more of a a metaphor for someone who is the last of their family their circle of friends but indeed it is about the autumn even though it's a metaphor and it's probably one of the greatest hits of the early nineteenth century you was written during beethoven's lifetime beethoven used the tune twice contemporaries of beethoven used the tune tune mendelssohn wrote on it phoenix mendelssohn mikan glinka the russian composer wrote variations on it and then comes the opera the marta in eighteen forty seven by floto and he just incorporated into the opera as kind of show stopper for one of his singers and we we have the opportunity to hear a supremos singing it in the middle of an opera which is what renee fleming does here with the last rooms of summer with such a beautiful voice the next one that you brought us is in italians take on fall this is autumn from giuseppi verdi's opera this assyrian vespers it sounds more like spring autumn to me well ah autumn is the finale of this ballet with an opera if that's some strange to you very was writing this for the parasol pro and the parisians silence of always asked for aboulaye as part of their opera this is a grand ballet the four seasons and it concludes with autumn it's serve serve a lighter moment if you will in a very dramatic and very intense opera of the sicilian vespers look at the next one is from alexander alexander glazunov ballet the seasons this is also called autumn winter uh-huh i guess it reminds you that when when you are done with this summer and you get into autumn you're moving very quickly things have to get done you're back to work well again this is the the some tori autumn and glazunov just like verity concludes the bali with autumn rather than with winter we interesting all the does does and alexander glazunov was known for being a great orchestrator not only of his music but he orchestrated music of trajkovski and borodino at one point and so here's this grand orchestra sala breeding autumn in all of its festivities are so many festivals and there's so much merrymaking celebrating that goes on in autumn around the world and and year it's a part of that celebration in the in the music of glasses off okay well last but not least we have a modern piece this is also called autumn this is by stephen reynolds who wrote it in the nineteen eighty s you can almost picture that last yellow leaf floating downstream this this is a piece that i understand is uncharacteristic of stephen reynolds who writes salat of experimental music nets according to the pianist steven huff and what he was trying to do i understand this is one of our called two poems in homage just to foray caprio for late nineteenth early twentieth century french composer was used the language of foreign in writing a piece the song of autumn and it reminds me of the the film from the nineteen eighties by bertrand tavernier nia sunday in the country about a french painter which which takes place in late summer early autumn and you could just sort of see the colors of a of a still life in sort of reflecting on the autumn in this piece by stephen reynolds what are you here as the main difference as over the centuries these composers have tried to make sense it's of autumn i think there there are more similarities than differences and they're looking at the harvest and they're looking at festivals and they're looking at celebration as the warm weather in that portion of the year comes to an end before them anticipated winter and not that that doesn't have a beauty to it but i think musically speaking let's enjoy this let's celebrate it if we haven't done enough let's make we make up for lost time but just be happy that the classical composers that we admire didn't grow up in southern california where they wouldn't have had to to write about geronimo who hosts classic mornings at wwl inner bana illinois thanks so much for joining us once again always a pleasure thank you jeremy today is the public launch of the maryland lynching truth and reconciliation commission the first such commission the country established by a bipartisan bill earlier this this year empowered to find out the truth about the state's lynching history and then address it sherline ifo will be the keynote speaker tonight's event she's president and director counsel hassle of the n. double ACP legal defense fund author of the seminal book on lynchings on the courthouse lawn and her name is familiar she is cousin to the late PBS anchor gwen eiffel sherline i feel sorry for your loss oh absolutely is really a an an american treasure yeah and talk about your work work when the commission was created maryland acknowledged at least forty african americans were lynched in that state from the mid nineteenth century through nineteen thirty three the commission is is going to have a staff member from the office of the attorney general authorized to issue subpoenas for documents and witnesses but this is a long time ago so who might need to be called forth to talk about this well it's an excellent question you know where is the mystery buried and actually actually it's hiding in plain sight you know the name of my book on the courthouse lawn with designed to expose the truth about lynching particularly in maryland but in many places in the country they very often have on the courthouse lawn and so a kind of silence fell within the white community in the days following the lynchings and even even to the point of denying that some of these events happened law enforcement would essentially say that they couldn't find any witnesses and so part of the uncovering in the subpoenaing is to find the information and it could be information held in archives and documents it could be the burial place of lynching victims who were often buried in obscure graveyards it's not so long ago that there's not documentation or other information artifacts irrelevant to piecing together the story we we know the coroner's often just said that victims of lynching died at the hands of parties unknown when everyone knew who the parties were and we're hearing from people already carla win who went to a public meeting that's already been held at harford community college she's as an academic adviser at that school and she talks about how there are families for whom this is still unspoken of and yet very present grandma told mom who told the children pain and loss and horror but you can't talk about it well there was silence in both the black community and the white community the silence and the black community community was this is not something that you speak about but we're going to tell you what happened because it's also a cautionary tale about the danger that you are in if you walk outside outside the bounds of citizenship that the white community has set for black people and then in the white community there was also a silence silence was made up of some fear sure i suppose of being caught a little bit of shame i think for some but it became a bond between people and when i was doing my research in in the late nineteen ninety s and early 'oughts that silence was still quite sick and we're losing the last physical eye witnesses to some of these events but it's it's not too late while so there's the truth part of the commission for the healing powers we know that has not only for those whose families were victims but those whose families were the perpetrators but no we get to the reconciliation part do we do we know what that looks like from this commission is it reparations what what is reconciliation mean well all the charge of the commission doesn't quite get us there the commissioners charged with submitting a report with findings and recommendations by december twenty twenty twenty-one what you should be thinking about is how can the breach and the harm be repaired and some of that is about the families of victims but let you know lynching were meant to terrorize whole communities so the repair that has to happen actually is community repair it and there are many ways to do that there it can be apologies from local law enforcement that failed to do their job to county sheriffs our jailers allowed the mogs to take the men from jail jail yeah the newspapers that in some instances refused to report about lynching events that happened very close to their publishing offices these are the kinds of things that should be really revealed golden unearthed and then finally there has to be repair in the public space and that may mean putting markers at the unmarked graves of lynching victims that describes events that happened that stand in such sharp contrast to the courthouse represents in terms of justice we know that bryan stevenson is already the running the equal justice initiative just a wonderful nonprofit that's memorializing lynching sites i'm not gonna ask why is this needed because obviously it has as much as possible as needed but what does it mean that this is a state run truth and reconciliation commission it is really vital that this not happy seed as some private effort and the state has to take responsibility for its own history that is not pleasant and so to have the imprimatur of the state of maryland behind the effort to learn more about these events and to propose an adopt recommendations on how we address what we've learned is hugely the powerful and important and historic sherline ifo president director council oh the end of lacy p. legal defense fund also she'll be the keynote speaker at the public public launch of the maryland lynching truth and reconciliation commission the first state run commission of its kind charlotte thanks so much for speaking with us thanks for having me and here now is productive NPR and WVU are

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Transgender representation in SFF with Cheryl Morgan

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Transgender representation in SFF with Cheryl Morgan

"Welcome to breaking the glass slipper. I'm Lucy handsome. I'm Charlotte bummed, and I'm Megan Lee. So transgender representation is a subject we really wanted to cover for while. Now on this podcast, historically, speaking, trans and non binary people. Have broadly been absent from speculative fiction or if not absent than poorly represented why is this and what can be done to improve the situation. Hopefully, tonight's guest, Cheryl, Morgan can help shed some light on trans issues and awareness. Would you like to introduce yourself, Cheryl and tell us a little bit about your work or Hello of funkier much for having me on the show listening to you episode started. So cool stuff. I'm delighted to be with you in terms of in producing my fell. I guess push decided if I'm old went to my first fund fiction convention in nineteen eighty four on I've been going to roleplaying conventions before then and in nineteen ninety five. I started fanzine called emerald city which because I was living in Melbourne time. I decided to distribute 'electronic cly mouth of on paper. And this apparently was a terrible thing. But it never been done before. And if droid everything that from the health dare, and I got rather notorious because of its and ended up winning a couple of heat as through its which was very nice date. I I then went home to what the clocks will magazine, which is still going strong and the wonderful, and I've now running my own publishing company, which it's talent. So we do let us which maybe we can talk about later if if you're interested that you have to have my input coffee, kellyn Futura as well. So there's there's fat. So that's that's the funk fiction stuff that idea. Let's not go into all of the other things. And so I thought we'd kickoff with the Luna price publication gender identity and sexuality in current fantasy and science fiction because that was a it's a fantastic fantastic. Because of kind of articles essays the I think just lost year won a British fantasy award oversee you're one of the contributing authors to to the analogy. So I wondered if you could just tell us a little bit about it. And and why John Reynolds to engage with the discussions surrounding at gender. More often almost nobody knows more about why it's needed new free because you do this podcast up. It's why we have that book. From Triscuit rubbing knew who edited wanted to talk about issues around gender and sexuality in fun fiction and fantasy. So she got a whole bunch of people in new stuff to to do it on their fifth of white writing show of different essays in their monthly which are not talking about Trump stuff at all. It's just mind what these servicemen transition, for example, is of wonderful essay by Juliet McKenna, which talks about the position of of women in the publishing industry, and how of every stage along the process, I mean, not discriminated against. So that that was the inspiration than for the vote can dodge much hope that that's also why it ended up getting out of his front this report because people realize that it was necessary. And don't be the of course, because he is in a really good. Yes. Especially on Julius was was up for British front the British shots such inside award. Netflix them. Yes. It was not fetching young. So clearly about is the yonder stand our piece. I mean is it a great little book as well. Because it's not a massive tome. Is you can kind of pop it in Hamburg and carry it around and just read one essay on the train to work or something. It's really it's really well thought out some book I felt in. Yeah. I'm in. Luna oppressor, a great little company on some of small presser revel friends together, particularly the female run ones, and it's absolutely delightful to to fee one of my fellow publishing companies doing so well, and so shall we talk a bit about your own essay, which has got the best title tipping, the fantastic of. And that I say six whether spectra to fiction has a trans problem. So what do you feel the major issues with how transp-? People are represented in speculative fiction. Fifth people. That. The main problem with representation in all transpeople is at we only make up somewhat in the region of a half of one percent of the population. And consequently, the fouth majority will will written by people. But like, so this is different from issue affects the rate of all because women make up half of the population. Non white people make up more than half of the population. So you can just go out. Get more women to write books. More people of color to write books and you'll get balance in the market. You can't do that. With Trump's people. So firstly a whole load of books are going to be written without any trends people in it because you know, where a relatively small part of the population. But also of the vast majority of people writing books on not trans and many of them really don't have much idea of what being Trump's is all about. Now, some of them because of the re good, and they will go out get sensitivity readers and so on so that making try to get things, right? But many of them don't and particularly in the early days people were writing stories about Trump's people having never knowingly met or spoken to transfer Siman and back previously caused a few issues on a particular issue with fist people is that they do tend to focus on this question of the process of transition because for them. It's really interesting about the transportation, these somebody changes for my mind into a woman. It's my kick in but from our point of view firstly. That's really know. What happens we just changed? I would staff and Secondly that really not terribly interesting. They it might be a rather painful and distressing here in our lives. But it's not what we see is interesting about ourselves as of. People. So having all the books about us being about this horrible thing of the transition process is not the best thing in gyms all representation, I'm so tempted to say can you take inputs where it's been done really badly. But that isn't really run for cows. But can you think him any books? Also is hey, either a transam selves and resonated with the members who are trans all someone who is says, but has managed to do enough researching and capture the whole character. How transparent really well, can you think of any books that you could recommend the people want to read more about this kind of thing? Only the FAA in the depressed, Boca course, covers a whole load of examples. Some of them who do really badly. But we weren't mentioned memo neck there are some remarkably good examples as well. One of my absolute favorites in terms of Trump's righteous is I Daniels who's written a couple about Trump superhero dreadnought nowadays. I think speak more to trends or particularly come feminine audience on on just about anything in speculative fiction. Though, you do have to be trans to get all of the jokes that dumb. I put in there. So I mean, this this plenty of that stuff about their plenty of people who have tried to to do the job of clearly. We are in a nitric. But the great thing is that there are not not of young trance writers around these days for I mean, not that essay is only a couple of years old. And yet there's an enormous number of people now, but I could have mentioned in it at that. I hadn't because they they haven't thought onto my radio by that time. Can I play devil's advocate a little bit? So you mentioned how transpeople make up something like one percent of the population of very small percentage. Now, obviously as you say part of the puck us, we think that we need divest representation when we think that's important. But on the other hand could we say that the lack of representation is then somehow reflective of the kind of makeup of society in terms of the the percentages. Yeah. I think that will continue to be the case for Trump's Reuters will continue to put Trump's writers in their book. I six writer writers, some of the will will transpeople in books occasionally abo-, maybe just you know, one of people or something like that. But it we will still be many books. Do not have Trump people in them for a whole variety recent amount, but fo- K of Lomas when they do appear. That they're actually done recently. Well, I'm, but there are some books there with those do have transpeople in them. I mean, that's that's an interesting thing. So would would you rather see terrible representation on? None us all on. That's that's probably a terrible way to look at it. But I'd rob a female genital. Because some of the terrible has been really terrible. And they there is so much misinformation out the particulier in certain national newspapers, which we don't mention because to give many publicity. I think for me, I it was really kind of I because when I started going to nine worlds, I had never heard the term SIS before which is terrifying. Because you know, I was twenty six twenty seven, and it's just I was kind of really ashamed of myself for not even being aware of that terminology because it just had never come up. And when someone at nine wells said, oh, will you don't understand because you'll SIS, and I was I don't even know what that means. And I just I it was a real kind of shock, and I had to go away and covering evaluate what I knew what I didn't know and really make an effort at that point. Because I felt so I did feel really guilty that I just had a no awareness of the I was so oblivious, and so since then I've I've really tried to make enough to understand more about these issues. What part of it grocery threatful state of the education. Fifteen eight people with taught Latin like they were when I was a kid, then everybody would know what fifth meant. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, it's classic diversity practice. But when when you talking about a minority group in population, there has to be a term to describe them. And it's an important part of all diversity practice to make sure that there is all Switzer so described the majority I so you come talk about like people without also talking about white people. You can't talk about disabled people without also told him that able bodied people, and you can't talk about transpeople without also talking about fifty people. And that's the reason why anti-trumps extremists get so heated out. It's like this is because they want to describe themselves as scare quotes normal and described us as. As a weird thing. I am doing put Christie practice, and you don't allow people to do that. Just building on that that statement we will thinking about, you know, the lack of transparency and trans characters in fiction would the act of normalizing trans non binary people. Be the best way to improve representation to say that you know, to include them as part of a diverse cost characters because that reflects the diversity of our society. I can't remember things that need to happen. But certainly a star as the official Deion is concerned the most important thing is to simply have Trump's characters in. They're being ornery people the term, normalizing if is slightly problematic. But it it suggests that people are at mobile, otherwise and see to founded who the woman who founded the school's out in OBT history. Mom, uses the word, usual ising, which is busy clumsy on the tongue. But I think it has gets the message over it. But it's just usual for for people to to be that, of course, for transpeople people themselves, they won't 'Presentation. And that might mean something brought the difference. But the replace your trance writers out there. Now who can give them that in just the same way he of the they will be books that will appeal primarily to people color, for example of. Of different ethnicities because then all all the same ethnicity. So that might be stories that will appeal particularly say to people of Chinese extraction, or there might be story that would appeal particularly to people who have particularly disabilities. But those could be read by everybody else as well. They just wouldn't mean quite so much, and there will be stories that will mean an awful lot to transpeople won't mean as much to everybody else. But hopefully, they can be read by everybody else's. Well, I remember previously on a puck Cossack says we were talking about character Ambrosio. It was a gay character. I who is a soldier. He just turned one point and once. Yeah, I'm gay and that was and that was the subtitle of dwelling on this particular attribute to this character. Not until this point, you didn't know and then after that it wasn't reference to toll. So just thinking about what you were saying there about you know, transp- would like to be within a novel, but within a normal kind of character. So would you be? Be happy to see someone who is exactly the same. As everyone else. Say I said the book Sunday goes, by the way, I'm trans character one dollar. She gets. Hello metron. Carry tween gives it away. Mom, put particular element. And then just carries on fighting the zone bees or running away from the mad serial killer or whatever. Or would you like to see, you know, being explored more? Do you think this capacities have characters who are literally just, you know, another blonde girl or another bloke in part of the as part of the protagonists on very happy to defeat that. I'll give you a couple of Tom with fat while miserable cool roots by on Gobert to the whom I hope I pronounced that correctly. An Emba one of the characters introduced perfect normal as a male person, and you Joel famous person presumably of fifth male person up until the point where that person is sparring with somebody else in the gym. Gets kicked in the the body of spot of martial arts training, and is hurt very severely by this on the other person inspiring said, well, what went wrong? What did I do that wasn't? You know, a source, but was it and the concert yet testosterone injection and not say. But that they just go on from there. There's never any mention again that character being a trans man. Another example in the wrong stars by Tim prance where for various recently it. It's one of these stories where people go out on a generation ship. And then later technology improves some people are able to get where they were going for them. So you've got eventually sort of time travel type encounter where we've go people from now meeting people from very long ago who've been in cryogenic suspension for, you know, a hundred years or so and at one point there that that brief mentioned of a conversation where one of the characters eaves is saying how much how different it was to undergo gender transition when she was before she took flight on this generation ship as compared to what his now. And again, it's never mentioned again, or at least not in that book haven't been sequel yet. So you know, the. There are definitely ways in which do these. Now, I think from my point of view that that was very very, well, I can imagine though that if you are a a non-binding Trump's person, then obviously your transmitter is much more obvious in the world, and you might want something that is is more involved than that. And every transportation probably would appreciate books which actually address Trump's experiences in in some debt, although croissant that can't be quite difficult. When we we've been having compensation today on Twitter about the stuff, you asked people to to recommend books and one of the books with mentioned was armed in her fashion by K Hartfield now, but has a trans man character in it. But it set in medieval Europe and life there as a trans man really is quite difficult. So though, I think Katie done that he very good job in joined me sympathetic. It with the character and portray him well, nevertheless because of the society, which he lives he has a pretty hard time. If it has a lotta trim phobic behavior by of characters in the story, but you know, you might wanna put content warnings or map of Trump's people reading it. Because of that even though the representation in the end. Patrick. Say I mean on this show. We talk a lot about objectify women and how that comes across in fiction, but did deterrence people suffer from a similar kind of objectification in fiction. Well, I think with hope estrogen of what I tend to call fifth gays. It is a form of objective. She so the focus on transition that we've been talking about. Yeah. That's definitely a form of objectification. But also, of course, we we get the whole gamut of what trends people are scared quotes, really like so a lot of objectification simply baffles in people into stereotypical central roles and stuff. So you'll get people portraying Trump swim in and bear expected to be sex workers, and so on and so forth, and to to deceive men, or at least, that's let's ten with tend to be what you got in a a known positive story written by men. Of course, we also get objectification by women, which tends to be subtly difference with Goodson quest. Slide up 'til while people coming to rather more detail, not I'm I'm thinking about when I was back in my high school days, but learning about orientalist instead of how it was always representatives near the other in this exotic nece, and I feel like that kind you can draw a lot of similarities to that kind of what you were talking about like the six gays. I feel this kind of an analogy though, you totally I mean, it's very much of the ring thing among other Asian can be a an exotic vacation or it can be demonization, I'm transpeople to to get both. Sometimes both trying time. I remember going to a panel. I think he was at nine wells actually about disabled characters or less able characters in fiction, and they were all at least paper trope wolves on the war. Quite a lot of them said, you know, when the disability turns out to be magical or to be magic. He removed or something like that. And obviously less able bodied characters worse. Something we discussed in the previous podcast. But I was just wondering is there a particular trope on images of of sex workers? Just now is there. A particular trait is generally applied to a trans characters from sort of general media, and you just roll your eyes go God, not again, or are they sort of objectified in very different ways. Normally. I think one of the most common things particularly in peers and people getting better now if the shock reveal so that you you have a character at is supposedly a scare quotes normal fifth woman, and you can't run for number chances. And then suddenly she is revealed to be Trump's person. And then everything changes. I'm suddenly everybody can see how she's really a man in disguise scare quotes. So that that's that's a very common trope that. So people very fed up. I mean, the the classic of of that. Of course, Steve's there the film reclined game yet, I have not seen. Oh, that was that was what I was thinking of and that one also it frustrates me. Because I feel like the I mean, this is slightly off topic. But the whole taboo of seeing full frontal male nudity in kind of mainstream, film and television. You know, it's still such a kind of tabu. And yet, you know, the one thing that people tend to think of is still the crying game full that like the only time we really sort of see it in any kind of ordinary sensor is not ordinary, but we see it. So few times at the one time we see it was used just for shock value. That's I find that really grating to humiliated. Trump's woman. We note the note the best use of it. So Cheryl, you describe yourself as a trans history. Geek, she's awesome. We've exchanged a few emails about history in the past, but transpeople rarely seem to make into historical fiction. So could you tell us a bit more about trans history and any notable figures while important thing if they got Trump's people have always been here. You can look any tribal culture around the planet. I'm you will find a have accommodation or transpeople and presumably that culture stitches that file sense of years of the original people of Australia have transpeople and snow bear culture was isolated for tens of thousands of years before white people came in stole the country. So, you know, if they have Trump people than I think, we can assume, but it's a standard part of human identity in terms of actual historical stuff. The earliest example, I've come across is somebody hold the Sliema polluter who lived in Suma about four and a half years ago, and who was described possibly describe themselves as a man woman, you know, that's just sort of stuffing to get the two words to make a portmanteau the they. Do that in connection say birds as well as doing it now? So that's the clear reference to somebody who is somehow outside of the gender binary. Of course, we're all familiar with the history of India, and they've been around for at least two years because we've got records stretching back about far, but they're very similar groups of people who lifted ancient Rome, for example, and indeed in the empire. And again, you know, the you're not going to feel every danika you're not going to be making suggestions somehow the Incas influenced by the Romans or or engine India. So you have to assume that that something that has grown up entirely separately because it's a natural policies on human identity. We can unbelievable to modern times where we've had he goats record of discrete individuals. And now the photographs in in many cases, one of the famous ones is character cold or Sheesh who is a member of the crow tribe of native Americans OTC, and she in the in the crow language means finds them and kills them, which is a really cool name. But ostrich was also a warrior I under Trump's woman. So I mean, the majority of native American cultures and the broker hunger different ethnic groups in North America. I've most of which are still in existence though, some of them still hanging on by threat. So all of them have different ways in which they incorporated Trump's into their their culture in terms slow some Europe on we've got some. Fabulous examples. Shambles shah. I mean, I'm going to use some people's at names here that name is being the names they were given at birth. I'm generally, no, no for for Trump's people. But the reason I give them is because these are people who live long ago that we don't necessarily know what their preferred name was in the any what we define them in places like Kapadia is to know their that does names. So we have for example, Catalina gera- so who ran away from another e edged Iran sixteen I think took ship for the Americas became famous convinced at all and eventually when his secret was discovered and Piquet they'll say all over Spain back back home. He went back to Spain and was given special dispensation by the pope to wear men's clothing. Symbol fold thing with the Chevallier diem who has French. And according to the story, we have worked of spy French government now dome was was assigned male birth. But she worked at the court of the Russian empress posing as a lady in whiting, which not I mean, it's scary enough just being Trump's woman in the world. But securely now before there's any medicine or anything like to do that as a spy at a foreign cold posing as a lady waiting to the empress as could take a certain amount of courage. I think. She later ended up living in London. The the king of France with a lightly barest by her I this point. And she applied for permission to carry on living as a woman and French king said yet. Okay. As long as you stay in London where could do barris be any further and as a result of which they support whatever in the National Gallery. Oh, well, the the other really great example is let's just the Rover. He was rushing had been married relatively young. But when the Polian invaded Russia, he ran away and joined the cavalry unfold against Napoleon at the Bucknell. Borodino I am in other battles swell was eventually given a medal personally by our Alexander. Again, the the fight with he was a trans man became. Down in the all, the the it was widely celebrated because of this a bit of a giveaway because if the and polyphonic armies you really have moustache it was part of the uniform. So there was that. But again, you know, he lifted the amount of the rest of his life. He got into out to beyond the after having been hit by countable carry on living as a man later became a famous writer rotate memoirs at school, but the cavalry maiden them. So he'd also only Trump's I my know who has statue erected in his owner in these town oriented anywhere else for that matter. Right. The only trans person to have stepped you. There are people Hickman's go portrayed spur. But drove if the only one I know how to statue that Sorolla depressing act. Well, I mean, you know, generally, Trump's people don't get to be famous. I don't. Yeah. We don't we don't get to be politics or kings or anything. Those are the people who use stunt chooser to them one day. I'm sure there'll be statues of Trump's people who are famous scientists. So writers we would ever think people in the past. You've got to have a statue. If you were a king, or politician, or explorer or of a soldier or something like that and journals because he was a famous. Okay. Let's not you sue they way we talk about we have space in the past about an in context of women not hearing in certain historical, periods or inserting, fantastical re-creations historical periods. And that those offers us the kind of convenient whitewashing excuse of well, you know, these women did not have a certain role in this -ociety. Therefore, I have not depicted them. And we know that this is just rubbish as she needed this. There's a lot of this a lot of evidence to say that women did. Do certain roles and did take on certain jobs throughout different periods of history to do you feel it? There is a similar issue with trans people in trans representation in history. Is there is there a possibility that people have kind of just used whitewashing to excuse a lack of research or just assuming the one thing was the case. When actually you know, it was something else entirely. I mean, the information is out there, but people just don't him to border. They're trying to recreate historical period. It's easier just to say, oh, well this. This was the way it was a an an leave it at that. I think Trump's people also bef- enters population makes it easy for people to say, I mean why I didn't even know existed. And when I think back to my own childhood, I really have no idea, but Trump's people existed until we came out with welcome load side. Because it just wasn't talked about on. This is Chris pre internet or anything like that. The only way you could find out transparently trysted is to go to a library. And know the right words to use to try and look up a book about Trump's people. And if you didn't know the word, you you couldn't find it. So from that point of view, the this the whole generation of writers who simply didn't know that transpeople existed. And then there's a question of will do a near really need to transfer in when Jeremy such a small number. But on top of that you've go people do come across transpeople, and who then choose to raise them in various ways. So for example, when you go people writing about she. Happen. There's a lot of gender play is on in Roman society. But always tends to be portrayed as Michael. But a bunch of ten minutes. I was just about to say actually, if this is going to be any depravity in history is going to be assigned to the Raymond's. And Greeks really, isn't it. Yeah. On a match because you know, they they were openly had same sex relationships that was was an entirely commonplace in society for people do that. And they were transpeople as well. But, you know, people who don't understand friends who will give the, oh, it's it's a gay Mandra, fingers woman, or whatever. So you you have that sort of stuff and menu. Have the whole thing of trans men were certain trans men in history. And you know, if you do research, you encounter them, but there are women writers who insist on raising them and saying, oh, it's just a woman who's dressed up as a man in order to have a career and whatever again completely erasing the potential transmitter. Keep you on the same of talking about the assumption that if a woman dresses up the man that clearly she's doing it for career prospects. I'm does being a recent control see on social media around new book that betrays the nineteenth century surgeon James, Barry as a woman Rothman trans man nine myself did not go missing. I was I was reading about him affectively, they are claiming him and his achievements for feminist cools. I mean, what do you think about that? Because when I researched into James berry, an in my article itself, I refer to James as him. I never referred to is what you said the dead name of his vision. I think was Margaret because at the very end he was very very clear that he wanted to remain as a man than he had all these things in place about oh, well, you know, I don't want my body examined and let just want to be buried in my clothes and things like that. And then for whatever reason it was discovered the he actually theoretically had a female gender. But. They believe the doctor also wrote and said, well, you know, he might have been unheard Aphrodite. So it was impossible to tell why this person decided to James, Barry, and some people said it was full reasons of because they just couldn't get a job as a woman, but you know, that's that's a really big as option. Well, when you're doing Trump history, you have to be very careful about how you look at people from the past because you cannot fit them down and ask them pretty Principe did because they are in the past particularly in the nineteenth century where the possibilities of being Trump's have to raised in western Europe. They wouldn't even have the idea themselves that it was something to do. So you don't know how they feel about themselves. There are also issues in terms of biological examination. Because. Imos days people were much less clued up about interfaith fish shoes on by all today. So somebody examining a dead body and saying this person is female may in fact been looking at an intersex body on not known what they were looking at. So there is not possibility as well. So all of this stuff is unclear as a historian all you can do if say how did this personally beleive, I'm Barra some people. I mean, a good example would be somebody called Mary Fritz who's known as roaring deal who lived in to district Stuart England. It was unclear a play written about her was was still in your twenties. I mean, she she had a career in in crime starting off of pick of it will work in your way up to be a highwayman amend retiring and becoming a prime Lord in. London. And she addresses a minor motor the time. The ritual manuscript the play has a federal grand at the adoring Fairbrother when I stretch across spent original manuscript of the play has drawing of her Inman, clothing smoking pipe, but she was quite up front about the fact that she was a woman who women's clothing begins convenience because it it helped her rule have criminal empire and so on and so forth. Now, James Barry's, a very different person. James Barry lived, holy as a man for the majority of his life. He was always referred to as a man by everybody who knew him at the people who knew him all soon put he was a man apart from one or two who were in on the the story. So that that's a very different type of person. I think if somebody has lived all their life as a man, they you refer to them as a man if somebody they've salivas a womanizer to those were met, but. A strategy that you can take as a historian which I think give you the minimum possibility of disrespecting people from past. We talk about the need for intersectional. Feminism what are your thoughts concerning the relationship between trans women and the feminist movement? Have you know, but have you personally encountered any negativity from feminists quarter? Okay. So I wanna stop like quitting Flavia design. The if you'll tremen- this is not intersection when it for chick, so good. I like it. Medalists? There are many people out there who claim to be -firmative and who are vehemently if not violently on trans. Now, I also claim to be a feminist. I'm a a member of the women's equality policy. Now, I like you I'm from the feminist. I'm paying them on the internet and Sarah in blog, posts, whatever. So there's plenty divide here. And it's really quite interesting to find from historical points of view in. I'm Christopher Trump's women to Bill with being volts in feminism, you can trace Adkins of nineteen th century, but in the mid twentieth century nineteen seventy th actually there was this rise of of cool gender critical. Feminism in the the radical feminist movements on both sides of the Atlantic in America. It seems to be more to do with feminists who came from our conflict grants people everyday, leeann Jonah Simond jumpstartmd, I believe was among before she became a professional Trump Citre. So that full to one side of it, which you you can feed the sort of religious view of gold made men and women, and and so in the UK and possibly Australia as well. Strays? Thanks to breed unto transmitters, which is really strange, but in the UK on think more to do with the reaction to be issues. We but feminism had here with the later party in thirstiest feminist tended to go along with the the standard next week mantra that the only struggle important is the cough struggle. So that this is a very non intersectional view of feminism. And it's to a large extent it was imposed upon them by men in the labor movement in the men fit. Your Mark says only struggle. It's important cloth struggle FM from not important if you wanted to be part of our party that you have to beat that. And people would would go along with it in favour, guess feminism? Fine. Some it's a thing. But once once we have our perfect communist society, then clearly sexism, ungracious simple away, of course, AL simple. That once you had the perfect communist society by an homosexuality in Trump's people will go away because those those products of capitalism knots, human nature, so you you you help a fishing start getting back in the nineteen seventies in in the UK in left wing politics. The radical feminist movement hear Sukh from that and came up with this idea that in fact, the only struggle that was important was sexism. And once you got to patriarchy than racism and everything else with naturally fall away. I'm they became fixated on the male versus female thing. And once you'll political philosophy is rooted in that idea of of biology of men bad women good, then it's almost impossible to accept anybody. Who moves the across Saddam, right? So I the. Interesting historical reasons for why out of happens beefed youth. The vast majority of so-called transacting feminists are really not radical feminists to toll. They certainly not radical. I'm not sure that that many of them are really terribly feminist. I knew you scratch them and they turn out to be racist. Islam phobic anti-abortion. Homophobic, in some cases. But it be young the outright in America and evangelical Christian movement have made a big thing about being anti trans. They see it as a means of dividing the left. So that it's what we call a wedge issue. So they've they've put a lot of money into promoting people. Whoever the world who are anti-trumps, and they are getting these people to claim to be feminist on to make a big fuss about Trump's thing, and you can tell these organizers are easily because they claim to be feminist organisations. But if you look at their website, they don't talk about abortion. They don't talk about violence against women. They didn't talk about gender Perry gap. They didn't about any of the the usual feminist talking points. All they talk about is how awful Trump's women. Now, I kind of feel like t many people have jumped on the feminist bandwagon. And we kinda need a new. Tom that is is more more modern like equality still something like that just kinda guys. Hey, we will really cool. We're all in this together. Neighbor is better than anybody else. Reluctant forty sexual feminism Johnson. It certainly, you know, women's quality policy policy that kayak RAI music quality. That's frippery one fans puppet. I had thought well you talking Cheryl, but I feel probably going backwards. But just when we were pre you previously talking about James, Barry, and how he lived his life as a man and then thinking again back to you were saying about the obsession with SIS this escape as looking at the kind of only the transition period, and it seems like the kind of the technology, and in the medical science that has allowed for a a medical physical transition has somehow in in a modern gays usurped, the, you know, being transparent because I see myself as this identity. Eighty it's kind of become that where obsessed. I I wonder if you could have someone like James berry as a character or as a person now and call them trans if he hadn't have gone through it, you know, the the medical transition, and I wonder if that's sort of part of that obsession, maybe I'm completely completely missing the point here. But it it does seem like an interesting when you look at a historical pass in that way. I think the molten meteoroid very much obsessed with the medical side. But there are a number of things to Tibet remind here, the first one is at medical transition is only available. If you think we'll wide to a very small percentage of the transportation here in the UK, we have national health service. So in theory, people are able to get back medical transition for free in practice. It's much more difficult for Matt. But I'm buffets. Be there's so much demaim d- yet. I probably have to wait, you know, one and a half two years before you get a first appointments to gender clinic, a member there will be years, then of of waiting of having subsequent appointments, and then if you want to have surgery of waiting for surgeons to be available. If you live in the United States where you don't have enough. Shing felt Johnson if you'll be able to afford that medical treatment is really quite low end up buying hormones on the black market and touching the same will happen in in Brazil or India or any other heavily populated country. Where there's lots of numbers of Trump's people in national outside of it. Some there. There there. There are lots more Trump's people around the world who have no medical intervention and to have to live lives, very similar to that all James berry, but equally there were times where there were things that could be done in for example in Roman times. Castration was a very common procedure. They used to do a lot simply to to catch filters. But you know, you you invade Britain you captured a bunch of British men. They look if they'll make good slaves. You put them to work in the fields and sour dough using the bodyguards. But you take them back home. They've was reputation of being for Russia's worry is say, yes, straight them and say the safe now, so the Romans would do so this'll be with very good at striking people. The, you know, I mean, you you you read male historians. These days when they talk back station. The listen. Anybody who is concentrating Donnelly immediately firstly not because they assume that that they take everything off down the just take off testicles in both cases, which is a much safer operation. But also coast because they did it so much. They were actually very good at it. And I'm you you don't want the flavor die in any in the process because they cost you money, and he's lost prophet. So you know, they castration is a form of medical intervention in that you are removing the testosterone from the Bobby and unit from people who no longer have. Still struggling in their bodies. Yeah. Yeah. It's really interesting that I'd say this is again where it says like, I'm I'm always open to learning, and I never ever claim to know everything. So this to me an what I know of what I've seen represented is to say that a transparent would be someone going through that transition. So I guess I I am a. Victim of of reading the Cisco as view of transpeople, which is quite sure. But I'm here. Here's some thing to think about so in the presumption empire on the Romans had become Christianized, whatever the there were many many monasteries around, and there were launched numbers of unit who were monks, and that's partly because the the Christians would go take into their heads that Jesus would say that you you will more holy if pure unit, which I think was something of a misreading of things they go. It was there. So people who wanted to enter a monastery would often undergo castration to become more wholly. So he has nothing about sex the sex with achey the results of that is the we understand that there were a number of trans men who lived of monks in monasteries claiming to be Unix because. It's gonna know you're not gonna lift up that council can check that would be there. So again, there's there's not big bathroom for trans men Omni, in fact, in June McKenna's, Russian, compass, the there's actually a character who is a female magician who poses as a unit in visiting our another society for for various, espionage purposes. So that's the example, he story of exactly that that sort of thing. Can I jump in? And just ask a bit about the feminist obligation. Because it's it's something that we talked about in a previous episode. We hopelessly discuss the lack of representation of feminine issues and female characters in infancy in science fiction. Does that mean the female writer or creator has a has an obligation to then talk about feminine issues or lead with a female character. Is there a transportation? First of all will it. It's my job. It wasn't always my job. But now when I I wanna Hugo with an outfit on Wikipedia, Rick became, you know, an obligation to a certain extent, the very few public Trump's people in the science fiction community at the time. But since then have actually become literally my job. I work part time as trans awareness trenice. I go and stand in front of audiences and talk about what it's like to be trends. Now, I don't necessarily need to do that in pitching. You know as far as I'm concerned as as a writer. You know, I I've been living full time as a woman for twenty years, and I will have gotten what it's like to have to pretend to be a man, I, you know, I know that pasta's if the Whitney, but on a day-to-day basis, I'm very comfortable, you know, operating in the world as a woman when I write about people, and I. Feel I have to pour Trump's characters in there all the time that is not necessarily the case for everybody. So I've I've been some stories which have Trump's characters in. But I think now the stories which do not. I think if I were somebody who was going through the transition process at the moment, much more likely to write stories about Trump's people because I still depressing the whole thing in my head. And I think also if I were a non binary person, I would be much more won't thing to put Trump's carrot because so little representation of non binary people in the fact that number three people on neither male female, and I need to be seen as such is much more important in terms of representation, but you should get a non binary piss mumps Toca, Pat. And say show your publisher as well as a writer, and could you tell us a little bit about wizards tower press, and the kind of what that it publishes? Okay. So wizard tower began that I nine hundred years ago, I lose track immediately of people e books were still a new thing. But then most people didn't know about them. The the big publishers went very good doing them on a lot of my friends were Middle East writers who were finding themselves getting dropped by their publishes back in the day. It was perfectly possible to have a career you get taken on by publisher. You've you you write profit of folks, they don't get published, and you know, those still trucking along in felling they carry on nowadays. It's very much if you get a contract with a publisher it's for two books, and if those two books don't do well, then you're going to get dropped even if that means third book neutral when she doesn't get published. So it was a bit of a sea change in publishing and a lot of mid list writers were finding themselves of getting dropped their books. Were disappearing from backwards to their publishers, and they weren't on the show. They couldn't get it couldn't sell anymore and epochs was away around that that you know, you could produce any book relatively cheaply if you have the right technical skills, and you could get it out there and people could buy your work again. So I offered this service to all my friends, and it was taken up by Judy McKenna, and GPS and light more has. So I I had this staple than of righteous where I was publishing they're not quest. The publishes lead troll. Then of course, I coating folks in Bristol calm and with Bristol com. We have this whole writing community around Bristol, which Lucius familiar with and of part of what we wanted to do on. But y by we I mean people like Colin Harvey and Joe whole rose Clark of wells myself. We wanted to help local people become heterogenous. So I started that the very fifth book published was an anthology by the righteous which called an edited at school dunks. Fires and Gareth Powell it's got a story in that one. That was his first published stories a meme we went on to produce there shipshape and Bristol fashion, which is also an anthology. I would just on really very well with mobile anthology where we're gonna be publishing a second volume of that hopefully sometime this year, and I'm Rawson Joe were doing editing for it. So I know think tightly show what? But I know that there are going to be at least three trans women. Napa quick father. Please me the other thing that's been happening. Is that? Some of my visiting writers are been having difficulty getting new books into mainstream publishing, and so Jillian particular went through fairly difficult time with agents and publishers and eventually said look Chevrolet this book. I think it's good. But can't get one to check. You do it. The people you're great, and we publish agreed man's air. And it is a really really good book and it started selling well through word of mouth. Yeah. I I mean, I've had nothing but good things about it say. And I believe if you check the BFS, you will find my review for it saying how excellent today's very kind of you do remember when aboard safe incomes. Oh, so it would it was selling very well in the, you know, typically, I see a even with Julius famous books would show maybe one or two copies a month. And this was selling like ten copies amount, which was fabulous it, really pleased that we got an Email from Amazon, and he it being I'm an of course, it it's this impenetrable coporate gobbledygook written by lawyers, which said mumble mumble something promotion mumble mumble, not telling you anything about mumble mumble. Yes, will no mumble mumble, and I sent the mail to Juliet. What we got? No fishy. Asta around a few of her friends. And they said, yeah, we say good things about that. You you should say. Yes. So we did. And as a result of that. We were featured in the I'm daily day of which is thing where for just one day. They put the book on sale for ninety nine p. And by promote heavily to a large number of customers. I'm yeah. I'm sure that there are people who have signed up for daily deal Email. So they as, you know, hundreds of people kinds of people who get this Email saying today's daily deal is, and you know, people who probably by it every day because it's a pound. So why not? And we sold over four thousand copies in a day. Oh, wow. Let's tastic. We win number one in fiction and fantasy member to with nineteen Eighty-four number three was Harry Potter and the philosopher's stone. Take that j k. Still have to screen shots. Excellent. That that's one printout put on your woes. Absolutely. Unloaded that by the way. I mean, I it's stopping this book. But also, I should give credit to ban bowling is covered is just amazing. And I'm sure that that that cover highs sold it of it as a an e book in particular because it is so striking and it will be sequel Juliette swigging on the fateful moment. So when say it's ready to go we will stop in the publicity on too. I feel like this is still an issue with the big publishers, and this kind of reluctance to publish anything that is the fools remotely outside. You know that stuff that sells already so I feel like we're going towards this kind of homogenization of the book trade has you've just explained it small presses that are really leading the way especially in terms of diversity. Do you think this is ever going to change is it anything readers can do to support? These creators may be held at work be Mewa circulated. Books vote for Finn awards. Now. The the big publishers there aren't very many of them these days somebody whole power toll huge multinational organizations who run by accountants it failed on by being counting. If a book fells, then they will want to do more books like that. And you can see that with remain calm Fe anything much about what's happening with Julius career at the moment. But I do know that the publishing industry in the UK noticed what happens with sales of the remains air and her agent was getting colds immediately after that that daily deal promotion. So if stuff sells the Bank stream publishes will take notice of it. And I think they have kind of a message in terms of diversity with people of color the way of we're seeing people lie Cam are if gang and tertiary intact home. And obviously at is has been around for a long time too. So with seeing people of color now being taken on too bright books, which are about people of color. That's a good thing perhaps not someone getting transpeople and disabled people whatever taken onto this thing. But you never know if enough stuff sells in small prices than the big publishers. We will get the message, and they will look for things like that concept. Clear then that go out on support. The small press says by files is books. You know, I have to say that suspect. There's not a lot of money in in Trump's fiction, but I will keep on hoping that you folks out there will buy books have better by trans. Because we're wonderful, particularly, Charlie Jane, who's is an absolute genius. But also rose cave ni and hidden Kiernan on Shim Eun Harley is rigging. So lots and lots of stuff out there plead spoiled books, and then we'll be right more. Breaking the glass LIPA is written and produced by Megan Lee, Lucy, handsome, and Charlotte bond. If you like what you hear please show us a little love. Subscribe lever of you and follow us on Twitter and Facebook, we won't keep creating excellent content for you to do that we need help. Please consider supporting us on pay. We believe it is important to have conversations about women and issues of intersectional feminism within science fiction fantasy and horror to continue to do. So we need your help. Please consider supporting us on patriot.

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Episode #1511: The New Phil Hendrie Show

The World of Phil Hendrie

49:02 min | 1 year ago

Episode #1511: The New Phil Hendrie Show

"Are I welcome to today's show the world fantasy fill ratio for September the eleventh two thousand nineteen and this is a show that we're going to be encore from some Tober the September the eleven th two thousand eighteen one year ago. Is We like to do with our encore shows because it's interesting to me to see how much weight I've lost from year to year something like that anyway on the show. Today we feature Jay Santos for the Citizens Auxiliary police laying down quote unquote. He's there to save lives but more importantly says Jay. He's there to show how physically physically prepared he is that ought to be funny. Also Don Mix interviews a first responder an eats. All of the slim jims and Dave tries to figure out wind speed that it also ought to be funny. Although I don't know anything about wind speed either Dave wherever you may be so here it is and by the way for those of you who are backstage pass subscribers you know that capricious this week should all be BSP audio only files so you can listen to us from the Maldives telling you what it are all about and that'd be beautiful beautiful and when we get back from vacation we'll have exclusive content on our website home movies and stuff for our backstage pass subscribers as well so we wanted to bring you something from the Maldives. I don't know man I mean we might be able to upload some daily video but I doubt at the last time we tried to do that. You guys have heard me bitch odd nauseam we were in the Saint Vincent and the Grenadines and it took three hours to upload video of course back in those days. They didn't have Wifi so let's do this before we lose our minds from the eleventh of September 2018 on Today's eleventh of September twenty one thousand nine show. It's the world famous fill every show. This is the not yet been kicked in you sort of have to wait to kick in general do here. We go. You're watching. I'm swinging my hips big. Wow again. I'm dancing. Get get out of the way of my aspirin cowgirl and forget it up. I swing is look at films. When I swing my hips I know but you know but what do we introduce the show? I WANNA revisit this world famous Hillary show. I'm Margaret Great Eight minutes world-famous Help Basilica Southern California thank you I want want to revisit the whole thing I was dancing and when I dance I do a hip thing I do. You know what let's say anything but you hello crawling on the floor again for Christ's sake he puts the news. Oh I forgot you. Put The news there because we're too cheap to buy no. We're not too cheap to buy table. You just haven't bought the table yet to meet a by table talking about that. When you get a microphone before I flipped by Lynn I look at the news? This is all balled up. You know you might as well wipe with. It's not going to do that. This is my news. Aren't you proud of that. Lady's Phil Injury has he doesn't have news in his hand. He has a wad of something. Wow God is great. Let's talk a little bit about but wouldn't one dances. You put my arms in the air. Yes and I go Lou. Swing your hips. I swing the hips now. When I swing in my hips I take up a Lotta space all right we have to you almost ran into bud so I ran into a big deal if the worst first thing that happens to you but in life is that you get hit by sluts hit by someone's ass yes if you get hit by someone's ass you know what getting a little you know? I'm I'm getting a little deep for you clowns. That's the difference Margaret All we saw. was you get up and start yeah. You're you're but hit bud it hit me it yeah you're but but it is a part of me as you can see she. I refer to your buddies. She all right never vermont she hit but no say it it hit but it hit me almost hit me the sound of it glanced glanced by face it yeah damn your your ass did you but you knew that was coming. Found a lot of ways glass face what glanced your face both chicks s because I was betting on time I soon just this woo just both cheeks. Are you going to let this stand or do. I do something about Margaret. You're not GONNA do anything about it. You brought the topic up. You're the one that got up dancing and everybody was nobody was complaining. SIP swing your ass around the room to the point where you not but out of his chair you hit the general. Let's go through it again. Margaret's ASS is so big that I did what I did. I didn't say that now did I well. What does it mean when my ass this is being you said you said your ass takes up the room? My ass takes up the room you did your ass takes up the space of this room I did not I said when I when I dance I don't care for that. That's kind of what she was saying. Okay now dance yes so but what I resent violently. Is You Robert who expect much more from you saying that you bet down six again down the timer shoe and as the bent down my nose down and both cheeks slid both cheeks. What does that mean because you're wearing tighter skirt? What are these days? I'm GonNa the beach you guys and you'll all be alone one at a time. Look at him laugh like an APE Margaret. You know what those are threatening words but at the same time time rather abusing let's get into the show we it's the world famous Phil Hendrie show really what's amusing about Margaret. If you want to threaten people do it later okay just as I said one of these days as I'll meet each one of you guys and you'll be loan. We'll be together though you'll be alone. What all right so we'll individually be alone? Yes and then Mama's GonNa have some fun. What are you GONNA do jumping in a parking lot? Maybe okay go ahead Phil Hendrie show here on the world famous well Phil Hendrie show off the show got Margaret alumnae fulfilling ratio here on the world famous Phil Emery show and today's Monday wild wild weekend again Jack Down there in south Florida booking all the news coverage. Will you know we've got friends in Naples. We have friends Naples. I've got friends. You've got friends in Orlando and Miami I I I got friends all over the state of Florida I got friends and listeners and fans and wonderful people that we've met down to the years all over the state of Florida and I've been watching these places cases that I know that my old stumping grounds Miami Beach looking at Brevard county now what near Melbourne and Titusville places like that Orlando Orange Orange County. There's twenty six people as of the viewing of the information that we got on Sunday night. Twenty six people lost their lives in the Caribbean and it's a brutal storm brutality of the storm is that it turned right straight smack down up the middle of the middle bit glanced off the East Coast and I think I think people were expecting more a westerly swing. Isn't that right yeah. If it glances off the eastern I understand that but I think it was a bit of a surprise ninth well. I don't know if it was. I think they were very well prepared. I gotta say I saw the governor he was on a tube constantly talking about what they need what they got what they have what they don't have here's where you so. Here's what you don't go. I mean these cats. Were were all over at you. GotTa figure that ever since Hurricane Andrew they're going to be on top of that like white on rice and it's that's true Donna kind of hurricane. The Andrew Everything Andrew was a category that was a five I mean that was a big one but it only went across the state. Hurricane Andrew went across in the State of Florida at the southernmost end homestead is the the town that got hit the hardest south of Miami and then went into the Gulf this is one that has come in from the Caribbean and then turns north and then northwest and so it is up the Western Coast Florida and we saw it over Naples we saw it over. I don't know what other couple of Naples and there was point port St Lucie but said Ed towns and there was Marco Arlen. All those places I used to hang out on Marco Island is to go over there and the weekends when I worked in Miami just so I could Kinda you. You don't blow the cobwebs out of my head. I get in the car and drive across alligator alley alligator alley. It's a highway across the state of Florida Larry Calm debt because it goes through the everglades glades all right but man. It doesn't your drive to the bridge love it yeah. There's a bridge over the everglades but that you drive your car on. What about an air boat sure? That's it man I stopped my car. Get an air boat. Go across the everglades and then walk good. No so I could not man I wouldn't do that. If even if I had your brains I wouldn't do that. No one of the things that happened in the everglades that was just brutal is the crash of that jet- valujet you remember that Oh my God that was back in the late night you would just arrived here in California right yeah and that was a that I had flown out of Miami and they had a fire and the jet went down in the everglades that this has anything to do with Hurricane Irma quite as long as you're talking about disasters. Yes sure that's it. No that isn't it. I just wanted I wanted to make note sort of the the everglades being a place where just everything gets swallowed up. It's deep it's thick and that jet went in and it was gone. Man a whole jet gone yeah they will dig probably saw the fin of it no matter the news not one thing they didn't they didn't. I don't know you know to this day. I don't know if they ever brought that chat up or did you hear anything about their general. I guess we could Google it technically. It's not googly for the nine hundred times. Go Google it. If you can bud but don't worry about googling it Google it anyway. world-famous Phil Hendrie Show Phil Hendrie show dot com here so today we have what we're GONNA have on the line with us John Nixon who is going to be with Carl Bowman at the Gherkins Center in Canterburg Florida where they're putting together the putting together a hurricane survival survival packages you know the the the packages where they have the food and flashlights and so forth right that'll be done and then J. Santa's we'll be talking about you know you know standing actually in the store because the big controversy about the reporters that were standing in the hurricane were they was it safe and Jay was talking with us a little a bit about that last week and then we if we have timetable of who will be talking with us from the site of the the hurricanes in Florida so it looks to me like you know Tampa Tampa and Orlando Central the whole state's getting nailed by the talking about the the eye of the storm. That's the whole thing the eye of the storm and you know there's a wonderful song in the eyes of a child. Did you hear that General No. I never heard that one looking like. Why are you looking as if you're smelling effort is my voice that bad had no it as much so Margaret? It's not that bad but you want is you were warming up or something in the eyes of Chuck. I happen to have stay a New York Broadway stage quality voice. I'm Margaret Gray all right Margaret. You've got such a great voice. What are you asking me about whether I looked like I I I? I asked you if you smelled an Fart. Not if you smell like one Dan all right Margaret Know Your Voice Margaret. Your Voice sounded a little also there will excuse the hell out of me. I was trying to sing that song but what about it. We're talking about a high of a hurricane I was going to get to that in the eye of the hurricanes are the change. The words is a child is a Moody Blues Song. You know what what am I wasting my breath. Aw I'm sorry Oh all right Margaret Knock it off. Hey Margaret knock it off all right well. You guys do it. No we don't do that Phil Hendrie show. Oh I'M GONNA get up and go over there in a second. How dare you would you do mind Phil Hendrie show and Phil and reshow dot com going to take a look balanced c with the traffic is like here in big trouble? You might think right now. We gotTA hang probably the next thirty five minutes twenty minutes trying to get down there pedro. 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She might even believe it she might even by Arts Buns Rhino Powder Kelly Clarkson drugs the world famous fill every show Pacifico in southern California Robert Lennon and join us Jay Santos from the citizens police arrived down his in south Florida and Jay has been out there you know what the people from CNN and all the people from like go J. J. Robert We've been talking with people here from the weather channel and people from you know. MSNBC she and it's jeopardy exciting but you can tell behind me is the rain and the wind that continues to pound South Florida breath. Things are come of being in an offhand situation like wetter reports such as Mike but I saw Anderson Cooper yesterday aspen a good amount of time wash answer cooper did you did you. Did you talk to them did you. Did you talk to him. Did you talk to him. Yes I talked to him. They're very nice man. I asked him out different methods and everything and he said Yeah you just gotTa hang on you. Make sure you know what you're doing. I I interesting. How do you feel about repeatedly? Shayna phrases phrases pounding South Florida and he showed me why and I said well. I was kind of surprising to me that he had asked me about that the other thing that I was mentioning earlier talking about I'm sorry about pounding South Florida I I was Sa- suggestive I pencil gifted kidding me knowing that you gave it. A storm is pounding away on Florida's Lord as like Yeah Yeah Yeah. That's what I was trying to see Mr. I'm not sure what a foul or anything trying to keep things clean. I know you asked us to do that yeah. I know I asked you to do that Jay. I'm just I'm telling you because you've been very very difficult very stressful. It continue to be standing out here way in a way that rain now. Let me just say something here before we get a little too far along. You said to me that as a member of the citizens police you are trained to stand there in the middle of hurricanes and storms yeah absolutely am all right so you're not telling me you WANNA come in. No No. I'm not saying I WANNA get tough and because I do a lot of leg lifts because I do a lot of labor work and that is come in handy now why why leg work. I'm sorry why let work well because when you're doing the legwork you can stand sort of with your feet wide apart a have a microphone and with people like they're looking at you. You know your legs wide apart and you look you know like you know what you're doing and plush getting blown over by the wind. You won't get blown away by the win exactly right. I think a lot of problems search news reporters would have in which they were gonNA get blowed over by the win 'cause they don't do Labor Work Jason the Citizens Auxiliary Police Jalen. Can I ask a question go ahead Jerry. You're out there and I've noticed in a lot of these reporters have had to dodge debris and so forth at very dangerous I a lot of this flying debris Street Signs Palm Fronts you name it man shards of glass brick. This wind is so strong that he can essentially start flying and the next thing you know you've that's it it's over and we were shocked. just about six hours ago myself and Ludwig Baumann who's with me. Here is my producer. We saw a guy walking along the street and he had brick. brick was was sorta wedged in his neck while he's straight bricks good God yeah it was like a piece of tile and he was just walking down the street. I said are you okay didn't answer didn't say anything he just stagger taggart down the street and they finally got him into an ambulance and so that was you're kidding me walking along guy it was during a period where there wasn't listen to much wind and rain in anything he was just staggering along. They got him an ambulance okay but what happened was later on they. Ambulance came back back and they showed me that it was a fake brick that they put us in movies or something and they had a kind of a band that goes around the neck so he was pretending that he got a break in the neck and he was doing shooting a movie now they weren't they were actually one of the other news crews and they were messing with me because I said I said what about the flying debris. Wait wait a minute. What are these guys doing anything to do with you? Apparently I said hey what about the flying debris and I saw a couple of them. Talking among themselves and I saw him disappeared the next thing I know she this guy coming down the street with a breaking his back and you recognize him. I recognize him okay. Okay tell me about what's happening related to the storm and not what these crews are doing with each other. I mean the whole reason why that village dench. What would you you? That's what you look like. You would look like if a brick down the street. What was what you would look like? Would you would look like that's what you would look like if yeah if breaking down the street decided to wedge itself in your neck okay and to try ways yourself and your neck. Aj Look there's a little bit more alert. Don't let these news crews screw around with you. There's a number of here all right there. Don't let them screw with you. Guy Comes stay. I thank you know I I was offended by it. When they told me later it was a big brick and they were just messing with me? I went okay. You know you know 'cause I figure by going to be bygone now. Have you seen any members of the of the Gator Brigade Yeah I saw Jack Cooley and the bill and both those guys come down from Orlando guys coming down from Jacksonville with a gator brigade I those guys for years and they came down with the hat cooler with sandwiches and they had some coffee and soda pop too two so we're shut up here we're. Where are you right now? We're in Miami right now in my own call Collins Avenue. I know that later on we'RE GOING TO GO TO ORLANDO. WE'RE UP CLOSE TO ORLANDO WITH DON mix. Who's going to be like Carl Bowman but I the thing that I want people to know is if you're out here in a storm you know there's only a few of us that can stand upright in the storm and report on a couple of MON TV? All I gotta say Salaam. Don't look they look Kinda like they'd have been arms but if you see me on TV which you won't because you're not on TV or doing a radio report here if you did you'd see that I got pretty good sized thighs and calves and I can can stand with my legs spread apart as the wind blows blown against me Jason The citizens auxiliary police a Volunteer Police Agency from southern California that you're all the way out there Jay and not back in California so it's testament. I think it's a testament to the way that people are helping people and the other thing keep keep in mind. This isn't just about me you know being sweet and you know cozy and Kissing Kissy Poo with the people of Florida 'cause this storm could change directions take time and if this storm changes directions and immediate goes well. Let's see the storm decides go wes now. We're talking real possibility could in danger of west coast. Don't I wanNA keep my aunt what he'd be contained to the West Coast to go across Mexico that correct yes it would okay okay and that would effectively destroy. The force of the storm storm is so powerful. This is a one thousand year storm. There's a category five. You understand that yes but it hasn't been a category for a couple of days. Though it has slowed down considerably buddy will gain steam tours laugh it can game st it can games wait up to a level a level five. Maybe on level six hundred you can't have a level six who can hear that from the guy said it's all the same. It's total destruction so it's sort of a category five well. Sh I heard yeah category. We're going to stick with five Jay. We want to go with what the experts say all right so it becomes a category five that goes tearing across the Gulf in Mexico and then make sure right turn up in a California we are sitting ducks and so I wanNA measure it and I keep doing measurements and you want to keep doing measurements on this hurricane came in case it speak goes across. Aj what makes you think it's going to maintain its power going across. Mexico has a category Pie got a tape measure here and we're looking at a chart and this is a chart that shows they don't do that. Tommy Okay 'cause he's GonNa get pistola. That is your truck what you doing. It's nothing is he doing. He's taking a tape measure and pretended like he's measuring is. Oh for God's sake what. How did you hire some professionals and I am a professional? Tommy don't do it. Tommy Okay sorry so I felt I take the tape measure. Okay great good for you night into. It pecan tape measure list list Margaret do you mind take a tape measure and I measured the winter storm now goes across Mexico. If whatever chance this thing hangs he's a right turn and goes up in southern California and just goes and goes and goes every southern California. We're big trouble Jay this storm and Hurricane Harry. I'm Gary Right in the middle of it right now. I know you are I got it but do we clearwater Florida at then. We're doing our show here on a Sunday night so we're watching the the action as it is unfolding here on Semantic clearwater Florida is you know getting pounded. That's why are you yes. I'm all right with that word. You know it's not as if we're saying it's getting pounded from behind or anything like that six eight what should all right so. I'm just going to say it's it's piling telling Florida with violent winds and torrential rains but anyway yeah so I I think you have our stanfield Jay. You need to understand that no no hurricane is going to go across the country of Mexico and maintain his category five strength and then make a right turn up into California and still will be a a hurricane beat in it wouldn't be anything it'd be. It'd be a stiff breeze or it'd be a bunch of hot air like you for instance. Oh my God. That's like that J. It's been like that for a long time between you and me. I think you're more hotter than anything else Jarrell even you I I would protect gentlemen delmon please. I would just I would want to say even General Shaw are protect from being you know out here in a storm mm-hmm if somebody tried to attack sexually or any other way if somebody tried to be sexually you know Jay the only guy that would do that would be you. You and I think I know how to handle you. All My head might go pick her dad. Get Out of your tummy and quit measuring your penis. Yeah we have the citizens auxiliary police here on the world famous Phil Emery show get together with that guy. Would you please me get it together with him We're going to be right back here. We do have done mixing coming up. Done is going to tell us all about the the packaging of these survival kits Gherkins Center and Canterburg Kurkin Center after Guy Mr Churkin that is filth famous fill ratio. Oh ancillary show dot com. I'm Mike Brown owner of Mike Brown Cadillac. When you come into Mike Brown Cadillac you'll see cadillacs? You'll see me. You'll see our sales people but what you won't see our high prices. That's because it Mike Brown Cadillac we sell our CADILLACS for guaranteed lowest price cadillacs battle-axe anywhere in the United States of America with one little small itsy-bitsy detail. They don't have steering wheels. I didn't say that don't have Seattle say they don't have engines. They don't have steering during wheels. 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They changed my lie emergency toenail clippers. They will keep you from strife you know ever since I purchased the Mergen toenail clipper. My toenails have been tight polished gorgeous. Looking Frank looks put my feet and literally false face first onto them in fact. This is a cute story fake frank pay me ten dollars one night to sit on my feet mrgins Oregon's toenail clippers they do it right for youth are good gray likes them. You Will Mrgins toenail clippers and his frank gray. I actually paid eight my wife ten dollars not five. I've paid him ten dollars so I could southern his feet. That's how good is feet. Look little tiny dany feet from mrgins toenail clippers Ayaan world-famous Phil emery Shirley Pacifico here in southern California well we got done mixing. Who's going to join us by way of our newsmaker line here? Don is a right now reporting from Orlando Florida up there not Gherkins Center in Canterburg Don how're you doing. I'm doing very well general are you. I'm good so tell me what you're doing and and what the efforts are there at the at the garden center now. I know that Orlando a Vegan the central part of the state has done exactly felt the brunt the storm the way that is actually right and I'm standing right now with Carl bown men Carl is ahead of relief supplies here for the center and a girl is packaging some items here and let me ask you garlic use was talking to my colleague back in California General Gaming Shut Him. Oh No I don't general was saying well. the Gavin here in Orlando felt the brunt of this storm. Do you really feel you know what you need to the pack in terms of supplies since you haven't felt the brunt of the storm well yes I think we do. I think we know what people need. I guess I don't understand and your question with general thing. I'm not as I'm just asking. What does this gentleman's name? You're right. It's girl grown men general show so you're packaging these ZAP supplies for people survived. The Hurricane Has Orlando. I've been hit with much wind and rain. Oh well. That's that was your question. I didn't know it was it was yeah right. not we've been we've been hit with quite a bit of a wind and rain but not as much as the rest of the state and we don't anticipate that and we're very grateful for that but we are helping all areas of Florida we're located here at the center because it's centrally located but we have these relief supplies. Basically there's a kiss would food. They have have gloves clothing some clothing. There's a blankets flashlights usual things at one would think of are these for one person or families families. These are generally for for parties of three or four that would be a families the family size and I noticed that you've had this beef Jerky Rickie which I have been availing myself thank you you're welcome and the beef jerky sale of this. This is a good quick energy and it is good quick energy. There's beef jerky. We have dehydrated milk and things but for very quick energy we have beef jerky. We have apples the dried meats though are and right here we have this slim jims which you've also been the eating right. I have a problem with slim. jims dietrich is that the meat gets jammed in your teeth and I I'm on day two of eating these slim jims and I don't you didn't bring a toothbrush. Did you know I don't know I'm I'm joking around. I can tell by the smell of my breath. Yes I can tell that some of the meat has now rotted in your teeth and I'm making the best that I can't. This is Margaret Grey Mister Durkin. How are you fine don't mind he is a little shy on on personal hygiene? That's not it's not fair. I I look I shave I bathe. Do you do the other things I I can't What are the things some things that if you don't brush your teeth if you don't flaws you yes he does he want? I believe you do don't you done. That's an insulting question. Wipe General Shaw all right. That was the very insulting statement for make simply anticipating the man's question. You have to blame me. I was wondering I really was do you wipe since if you don't let's move on showy if you don't mind girl I'm with Carl bown money here at the Center in Canterbury Florida as we are setting up these. He's a survival kits now. Here's something here rubber gloves now. When would you have any kind of When would you ever have a situation what you need to give someone a prostate exam? I'm only get Do you want me to take the form of course they have first aid. In case someone is injured. You put put on the rubber gloves for make sure that the the wounds cleaned to make sure that you're not infected with anything that may be in the blood. This is a very standard thing now wearing rubber gloves so it isn't for doing dishes. No it's not for doing this yourself. How you don't put your finger up? Someone's rectum all right very the okay done. It's Phil Hendrie Mr Bowman. How are you Sir Edmund Studio People? Yes Sir John Boehner Mr your bones until Henry. We do have a crew here of five people but I wanted to ask you as you put together these these supplies are the people coming individually to get them. Are you at a shelter shelter here. We've got about six thousand people are here and they need the package then they can come and get one two. We do have to stop eating beef jerky though Oh I'm sorry I felt a beef jerky. They have been by been plowing through it. Those are relief leave supplies don. I understand I understand I will stop because we've had to go out and get another case of it. between eating the beef jerky and not brushing or flushing. I understand then Carl. I'm GonNa floss and brush just as soon as we're off the air because your breath is a another guy with a hang hang up about breath because so we're going to be off the air they're gonNA hang up about brand well. I don't know what you do Dickman because I've taken a with a year is I. I don't know what that is a little bit a little bit of garlic remind what your breath smells like. Thank you Mr Bowman. I just wanted to let everyone know that we're here at the CANTERBURG. We are a shelter we do have supplies. We did have beef jerky but Mr Mixer here. I'm awfully sorry I can run out well. I can't run. Don't get me 'cause I don't. I'm not allowed to drive. I might get arrested don that that's just the most thoughtless thing I can think of don't you. What do you mean you can't drive? You might get arrested because because there's a kind of curfew one. We're going to have to send some of our people who worked for the county out to get some more beef. Jerky Slim Jims are gone to the swim. You I Apologize College is for that I really really do okay. We sent my apologies. I just please don't back away we'll you will you please Oh man get away from me. Yes accent thank you. I had to breathe on this guy fell so he'd accept my apologies but I can tell you that the place is very very well. Run the fact that you ate all the beef jerky Turkey there is very concerning very concerning D. You have to understand indeed indeed you gotta understand that those are relief supplies for people really need them. I get it I'm beef jerky man. You know I mean you can go out and are you trying to tell me some guy's GonNa Starve to death because you get a slim jim today hey hey. I'm sorry to Slim Jim as he dies as he lays there dying in front of me is that what's going to happen. Is that what you're going to hang on me general. Yes you clear in that. Now you're going to hang. You're gonNa tell me as a man lays. They're starving to death. I walk over. I ate your Slim Jim. That's why you're dying yes. That's what I'd like you to do. Let me just go through this again never mind. I'm done. Thank you very much. I heard that he was going wasn't did I just hear him. Drop the F bomb. I'm GonNa talk to him Mex- getting out of control like a lot of people in the show. I think that when you send out rank amateurs that's what you get you get a rank amateur effort. I Margaret Grey. What the hell was that Margaret by the way? What does that toenail clipper ad you did? It's a couple of lousy bucks all right. We're going to be back in the world. FAMOUS FILL Henry Show with Borodino Boulevard is in south Florida this year. I guess you could say this is our kind of our hurricane special. hurricane being special show famous Phil Hendrie Show Hillary Still Dot Com. This is General Caitlyn shop the road famous Ms Phil Hendrie show backstage pass pick one up and be happier than anyone picking slump happier than a fat man birthday cake cake factory woman a birthday cake factory. 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He's got a great. He's he's got a great new. Sense is a great reporter. His breath stinks the guy is eating slim jims and not forcing fill that is enough that should get you arrested yeah yeah. That's GonNa Happen All right. Dave all of joining us as well. You know being above people have asked me fill. Were you ever in a hurricane yourself still lived in Florida for six years. The answer's there's no I was in a tropical storm going to tell us about tropical storm Gordon Akin good loaded this was I ah I mean I have heard the story Misteri you tell me well. I'm not gonNA tell US gotta get Dave Olivo on as an as an entree into having Dave on the show I was going to mention tropical storm wins as opposed to tropical storm winds as opposed to hurricane strength winds and there's there's there's a big difference in terms of wind speed Dave. Thanks for being with us here Phil and the gang here from Los Angeles. Where are you man? I'm in Daytona Beach. Where's that they told a beach and what's the wind like there right now? we have a roundabout speed and all about like forty thirty five miles an hour thirty five miles an hour well. I'm just guessing because I had I had a wind speed indicator here and did say thirty five miles an hour to forty five miles an hour and then it said fifty five miles an hour so now you're saying it's thirty five miles an hour. We'll yeah because I'm just trying to find. I'm trying to find an average to it. I'm just guessing right now until they bring me back that wing window meter. We've never put batteries in it. Reporting they gotta put back. Go ahead. Go ahead back batteries in it reporting from Daytona beach where is not yet fully arrived. What we'll we'll be here pretty pretty soon right now? Erm has been pounding away and ponding and pounded unstated Florida and if sorta and I know what the Mr the Republicans want me to put it this way but I think there is a way of saying it misery mine if Florida was like a dude in jail and Burma. I don't WanNa hear that comparison when you try to pull anyway all right. Sorry something I could walk out fill that I mean if you're about to say that Florida was a guy in Jalen was another guy in jail counting him from behind. I was going to get really angry. I was thank thank God. You didn't know I won't say it till you won't say that. Irma is a guy in jail and another Guy Jalen. You guys off because it's not funny. I don't think it's funny but you know the State of Florida yeah you think it's funny you bring up all night. Would he be new cloned. Everybody everybody man from Santos to you to mix it to some of the people in this room. I only brought it up because they've been saying that rumors pounding away on it. They haven't seen date Mr Henry and that's why I'm trying to use you know. I'm trying to use what I got. I'm trying to use I'D WANNA lose. I WANNA use a few stools you lose but if you don't snooze you use meaning use drugs what it means you use. Do you use what's at hand man. That's what I'm trying to see. I'm looking here Irma pounding again see a pattern short again so you can't get away from it so you have to use it and he would. Let's see like almost pound in Florida and Florida's all back not enjoying it. Usually you would enjoy tonight Florida's cutting Irma. Id Nervous so much fun with Debbie Cooler but no IRMA's putting Florida which sounds sorta off what else is happening down air or up there where I'm in Florida what else is happening besides Irma pounding Florida where like I said Daytona Beach Getting Ready there are three million people without power across the state of Florida tonight that I pulled is roughly half of their they don't see three million. We're the people they say three million households without power so that represents a lot more people yes sir that's about a half the people power that get their power from Florida power light or Florida light and power forget which it probably doesn't matter it's floating tower so three million households yes sir and so that represents quite a significant group of people now when we talk about tropical storm winds pass. We're talking about forty five fifty fifty five mile an hour. You're a category one. Hurricane is like seventy miles an hour. I think a Category Two hurricane I duNno gets up to like one hundred miles an hour her a category three of this kind of just guessing guessing stuff you'll get an expert. I mean you dude who'd on here. I totally do here now. They don't guess they have a chart that tells them what a category one is. When a category two is because I just looked at the chart they haven't man that guy got it for me? They got credit. Category Two is like a hundred dollars world I mean I don't know a hundred miles. An hour and then category three is like one hundred thirty thirty fifty category three hundred thirty. Let's say it's one hundred fifty well you well. It sounds about right category four is that you know one hundred native miles an hour or something like that but I was talking to Mayor Bob Buckhorn and off Tampa earlier today and I said well. How do you go what category it is and he goes what you know and it was really busy there? I WANNA category wasn't then he got taken away by a motorcade or something Dave Dave Ladies Gentleman who is an aspiring police officer goes to La Kenyon College studying law enforcement so for tonight. You're guessing at the wind speed of tropical storm guessing at the wind speed have category one. What else are you doing down there luxury him to do? That's just Jason was talking about how to stand up in a hurricane and you thought makes interviewed some due to survival survival center so I told you to figure out what the wind speed was what I wanted to find out about the power lines being down. I I got a call in to the guys at Florida power light again you know but the lines busy you gotta call Dave you just find a representative of the company and ask him. He's going to give me a ballpark figure. In that instance a ballpark figure would be relevant because they don't have any hard and fast S. number yet. There is no hard and fast number as to how many power lines is supposed to be down in a hurricane. Keep that in mind. It's good to know anyway clearwater Florida order right now. It's got some real high winds. Tampa has got the whole I it's I di- both going through the eye of the hurricane. Mr You understand as you probably know in the middle of it is like no screened or anything. It's called the sun's out birds Chirping bitching and then the next thing you know it's a hell of a reporting debut in central Florida. They're just tell me what I don't know. There's a whole lot yeah. We'll Davis telling us about the wind speed. He was actually in Daytona beach so stay safe Dave is they say which I'm sure that that's exactly what you doing. Dude haven't ventured out very far couldn't get batteries for your window meter. He has the window meter and he has the what else do we have. The head of five batteries for their horn is something what do you mean an Air Horn Casey. Tell the world famous film show from the Pacific and Southern California is executive produced by me Phil Hendrie for Emperor Incorporated. All rights reserved on

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Steven Lee Myers' Putin Primer

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Steven Lee Myers' Putin Primer

"Approach. Listener support W in Weiss e studios. This is Alec Baldwin. And you're listening to here's the thing. Russia has glittering towers and a jet set elite, but grinding rural poverty to it has one of the world's great literary traditions, but throws dissenters in jail for a blog post Russia's the size of Spain economically speaking, but isn't aggressive resurgent actor on the world stage now in defense, not of communism, but of tyrants, and theocrat s-. Who is that? Amir putin. The man who created this new world power through force of will my guest today. Putin's foremost biographer, Stephen Lee Myers begins to unravel that question in his book. The news are. Myers is a longtime correspondent for the New York Times. I in Moscow now in Beijing. And he's met Putin more than once when I shook his hand I felt this immense coldness and determination. It wasn't scary. Wasn't mean or anything, but it was just we were there to do business. The news are tells the complicated history of a man who values stability above all else who truly believes along with his constituents that he quote got Russia up off her knees. He's created that impression in part by dedicating a higher and higher percent of GDP to military. It was that money that allowed Putin and two thousand fourteen to invade Crimea. We join the borders of Europe by violence for the first time since World War Two in his Wall Street Journal review of the book, Stephen cut can describes the man who emerges from Myers pages as a. Quote, snarling stuntman playing global poker with a wretched hand and presiding over a country in decline put those words to Myers because that's not a full picture of the Putin. You beat about in the news, are I think you can come away from what I wrote and come to the conclusion that caught can did I think you can read it and see Kootenai as pathetic figure. I wouldn't disagree with some of what he said, but I wouldn't agree with all of it either. Because it's it always seems like it's about to teeter in fall apart like Putin can't just keep this going, you know, and after the events with Ukraine when we put on all these sanctions the sanctions really hurt and people are like he won't survive. One of the wheels are gonna fall and. Yeah. And and yet there's a certain resilience and Stephen Kotkin, I respect mentally. But, you know, people see Putin in different ways. He's almost like were shark test of of your views of the world of Russia itself. U S Russian relations and so forth when you went to Moscow to start the job there that job you wanted. It is and but it's not something that I expected or I worked for I didn't study Russian history or mileage how does happen. You know, I covered the Pentagon for a number of years in Washington. And this was in the nineties and the Pentagon was busy though, it was before the the war on terror era, and the Pentagon correspondent did a lot of the reporting on arms control which for the Soviet period. Was the big story, really? And so I think there was a bit of a Cold War hangover that people who covered the Pentagon understood arms control. So they went to Moscow as their next posting their first posting, you know, Bill Keller executive editor the times, he he followed that path. Michael, gordon? Great correspondent now with Wall Street Journal. He did that. So it was it was something it was kind of beaten. Well, well, beaten path. And so I followed along with it though. At that time, I went and it was the beginning of the Bush administration. This was a new era and Bush talked about trying to establish a new relationship with Russia that would get beyond the Cold War for something happened. Right. Oh, lots half. But the but in the beginning, at least if you remember. Putin reached out to Bush and vice versa. Call laments nine eleven he made the first phone call first foreign leader, he didn't get through that night, by the way. But the next morning Bush did call him back and Putin authorized an immense amount of cooperation with the United States at the beginning of the war on Afghantistan intelligence sharing in a very concrete way. I think at that moment there was a feeling that we had entered this common cause with Russia in those months right after the nine eleven attacks. When when you arrive there to do the job. It's what year you beginning. Here. I was I was studying Russian when nine eleven happened in preparation for the job. Exactly. I was still in DC when the attacks happened, and I went back to work that day in the Pentagon, which had left a few months before to start my studies and went to Afghantistan, and then came back picked up my studies and then summer of two thousand and two started in Moscow. Or would you describe was? Relationship between the US and the Russians then was this the period as well. When Putin was like some comedy made about. However, you want to describe it Russia potentially entering NATO. He was asked to television interview. I believe it was BBC. It was it was even earlier it was it was when he first emerged on the scene as prime minister president elect. And he said that it was something they wouldn't rule out. It's hard to think back at that period. When I think Putin was looking towards the United States NATO, the west generally for a different kind of arrangement and new a new security infrastructure architecture. And there were people will say that there were missed opportunities on both sides in that case. So when you got there, how would you describe the US Russian relations? They were still at that point fairly good. And there is quite a bit of cooperation Putin came to the ranch in Crawford, Texas, if you remember, you know, appeared with Bush at the high school there, so I do think that there is still a fair bit of goodwill. Even there were a lot of business deal starting there was a lot of American companies eagerly investing in the oil and gas industry in Russia. And so it seemed like there was a lot of tension. Yeah. Potential, and then what happened is the Bush administration was very eager to build missile defenses. This is always been a Republican pipe going back to Reagan and Star Wars. So with very little notice after all of this help that Russia had given the United States in Afghanistan. Bush announced that we were going to pull out of the antiballistic missile treaty and gave Putin notice only a few days before he went ahead and did it publicly and that really. Embittered Putin and gave him pause about. What is really the American intentions here? You know, they act nice Bush's chummy. But you know, at the end of the day, the US's itself as the hegemony, and is is really going to control the world. And and and from there shortly after if you remember they went into the build up to the war in Iraq, which Russia was very much opposed to the idea of overthrowing another country by military force is something that he fears and so he he was pushing back hard against that. I remember when we had an interview with New York Times had an interview with him in two thousand and three a few months after the invasion. He talked about the consequences, and how we didn't foresee how bad this was going to go and he was largely right? When you arrive at a job like that. I'm sure you're briefed about how to go about the job who are your contacts. And it might not be as much as you would think they did give me the time off to study that time was shortened because of nine eleven. And the work. I did Neff ghanistan, but beyond that, it's more of a collegial process. I mean, I turn to the correspondents who'd been there before ask them for advice. There were. Different. You know, different ones said different things. They should you should know this person you should eat at this restaurant. The best advice. I got was from Joe Lally belt who was the executive editor at the time who told me not to bother reading the books by journalists. He said read the literature understand the books that people are going to be referring to Putin himself refers to a lot. It's great advice. And I'm doing that now in China reading novels. Did you feel that you were being watched or you're being so I remember when the bureau manager, I asked her this question, and she said, they don't come around anymore. First of all when the Soviet Union collapse. So did the KGB, and then it was disbanded, and then it was reconstituted in different forms, but under Putin. It's clear the security services under new names have reasserted their privacy. Whether or not we were tapped, I assume yes. But I also don't think they really cared that much. I mean, they could they could read everything we did it wasn't. They like in the old days where they were policing, which dissidents were talking to the foreign media, which by the way, they do in China. Now, they watch that very closely whose quoted but poured the end again when I went it was a hopeful period. And it it it Russia's seemed like it was opening up there were there debates in parliament they were going on as a reporter it felt wide open. And there was obviously the war in Chechnya, which is extreme. Controversial and very sensitive. There were restrictions on reporting there and so forth, but it didn't feel oppressive the way did in the Soviet times. And now, it seems to be much more hostile environment to work in you read a little bit about Putin and not a great student of poor family. How does he get that job? What happens in that country that he rises to this position will first of all he wasn't. He wasn't a poor student. He he seemed in fact to be quite smart and quite clever, and he is, but you can go to the best schools percents. Yeah. No. I mean, he was not part of the elite. That's the thing about him. His parents were survivors of the siege of Leningrad during World War Two. He grew up in a city that was still living with the effects of that the damage literally from it. His father worked in a train factory and his mother held odd jobs. They were good Soviet citizens. But they weren't you know, any part of the intelligence he grew up in a pretty typical. So vita experience it was poverty, by our standards. Even then in the in the fifties and sixties when he was young not somebody. You would see the the onset was going to be primed for this job. He did sort of find a purpose in school through the martial art. You know, you wanted to take up judo into to stick with. He was a young teenager and. So he would have been are equivalent of junior high school or middle school. And you know, he he took he took back quite seriously. So when he put his mind to something he could do discipline and discipline is what he shows when he's committed to something the reverse the book, and then a movie that came out that inspired him to join the KGB is called the sword and the shield, and it's a pretty propagandistic novel about a spy who infiltrates the Nazi army and rises through the ranks from a pretty low position and helps win the war with serialized on TV, and this enchanted Putin as he tells it, and he tells the story of wanting to volunteer, even when he was still a teenager, and the, you know, the KGB doesn't take pollen tears. They they come in volunteer you, and you know, there's obviously screening process to work in the intelligence agencies. But he understood. That he had to show some discipline in a gun into university, and he got into Leningrad state university, which was a prestigious school, maybe not the top one. He didn't go to Moscow. But. Law. Do they have a similar system law degree attorney? It's more you study law, and you become a police officer, or you know, maybe a court officer or something like that. It's not a law degree that you do after you complete your undergraduate program so system there is a little bit different. But the you know, he studied that with the goal in mind joining the security services, and when he was in his fourth year, they came to him. And and said, yes, are you interested? And so he he signed up then what happens? He spends how many years in the intelligence services there from nineteen seventy five to nineteen ninety or ninety one. There's a little bit gray area about when he finally resigned several years. Yeah. No. It was fifteen years of his early life and research that what kind of work was he doing he worked at home for the first part for ten years. He claims counter intelligence chasing, foreign spies. He claims he never worked for the domestic KGB, which was. Oppressing its own people. He held kind of bureaucratic jobs mostly in lending grant. And then after a number of years, he was finally assigned to the, you know, advanced training courses that would put you into the pipeline to go overseas. But he got into a fight this first year that he was in this program, and this is the finishing school. When you when you're a spy fascinating the Soviet spies. Could be tripped up on basic things like not knowing what a mortgage was because no such thing. And so I mean, we've all seen the Americans. Now, you have to really be immersed in the culture to pass Putin had studied German when he was younger. So when he went to the school the assumption was he would be in, you know, Berlin Bonn or he would get one of the premier assignments. But because he washed out early after one year, he ends up in east Germany, which was an ally of Soviet Union. Any wasn't even in the east German capital east Berlin, he was sent to Dresden which was kind of seen as an outpost. It was a small office in. Gauged mostly in cooperating with the east German secret police, it was really just pushing papers and reports back to Moscow. It wasn't a glamorous spying job at all Hemi wasn't even undercover which is you know, like the movie that inspired him. You know, he wasn't doing any James von stuff as as he put himself on. How would you describe his political sentiment? He gets to become prime minister. I have some of their office before prime minister. So what happened is the Soviet Union fell apart? He was in east Germany when the Berlin Wall came down, and this was very searing experience for him because he watched the Warsaw Pact nations. Crumble topple they're communist regimes and then lurch into the west he like, many others than retreated back to the Soviet Union out of work essentially and the Soviet army to remember the hundreds of thousands of Soviet troops in east Germany. They all had to go back married him children at the time. Yes, he did. It was married before he went which was a requirement of being a spy of working for the KGB. I should say overseas. You had to be married. They didn't want single officers who could be tempted into liaisons by other. Exactly. So it's second daughter was born in east Germany, so they were quite young and the whole thing comes toppling down. And he has to go back to to Russia goes back to Leningrad at the time and took KGB job at the university overseeing students and foreigners who came to the university not might be a comfortable job. But it certainly wasn't a prestigious one he was at this point only Lieutenant Colonel he had an advanced very far in rank he just in its throughout his career. He didn't seem to show a great deal of them. Bishen going back to your question earlier. You know, it's not that he wasn't smarter wasn't capable. But he just didn't seem to have a burning drive to to move George Bush, and at some point through his job at the university comes in contact with man who was one of the leaders in the democratic movement and in Russia when the Soviet Union still existed guy name, Anna, totally Sobchak who eventually became the governor of. Saint petersburg. And then after the collapse of the Soviet Union served for six years until nineteen Ninety-six and Hooton served as his deputy. And that's where he began to get political experience. I mean, he he wasn't a politician by nature never has been. But he worked as a very efficient bureaucrat essentially for subject he was in because of his German and his experience in east, Germany. He was a liaison for the city and trying to get new investments to come in. I mean, remember the communist system clapsed and Russia had nothing. They didn't have banks. They didn't know how to do basic stuff. It was a it was you know, he was putting charges sensually of attracting foreign business to Saint Petersburg and do. Well, apparently he did. And some people will tell you. He did you know, it was a tough time. And there were there assassinations there were there there was a lot of you know, mafia type activity what years were this. This is in the early nineties, a friend of mine, an actress she was going to be starting. Some kind of business over there. They were there because of that opening because that cleaning of of that economy in that market, my friend was gonna head over there and over book a skin care line for rushing women's who it was a Hollywood actress, and we helped her only reached out to different people who knew the business realities over there on the also don't do it. And they they said, you know, half the products you're going to send over there. More of an fall off a truck, and they said in transactions and credit cards and money and all the nightmare over there at the beginning certainly wasn't nightmare in the beginning. Wh-a? It was interesting. How many came and big companies in the way octane gamble is there, and you know, Otis elevator. I mean, there was this real heady period when they made this transition and became a capitalist country. You know, it was painful for a lot of Russians involved and the system was certainly not well equipped for it, and it was exploited by by crept actors both in government. And in the private sector, and the the criminality that, you know, is is always lurking around that said a lot of people became quite wealthy. And you know, people who are willing to take that plunge became quite rich. He become quite wealthy. That's an interesting story. And it's key to the question about him. Even today early on he was known for not taking bribes. He was seen as an enforcer who is very loyal to the city. He was the guy you went to to get things done. And so people that knew him got things done if you could get to him. You know, it helped you succeed, you know, did people give him gifts. I I'm I'm sure things like that happen he acquired an apart and as part of his job, which is kind of what is that corruption or as a perk, you know, and as part of the salary, and they acquired some other land perhaps that was loaned him from people who were he was helping out for those people who suggest that Putin. Stolen billions. They don't hesitate to use the word with be billions of dollars from the Russian treasury over the last several years of its economic ascension. You think that's true? The I don't doubt at all that people around him, including people related to him became very wealthy because of their access to the decision making in in contracts. You know, is is he lopping twenty percent off every contract that signed by the government and putting it in in a Bank in Switzerland or somewhere else. No. I don't think. So I think it's more complicated than that. And you know, there's a famous stories that came out of the Panama papers of his childhood friend who I interviewed whose name was on offshore companies worth billions of dollars. And I had a chance before the Panama papers came out to interview him. And and I was struck because I was writing about a Bank that's run by a bunch of people very close to Putin. It's become now one of the. Largest banks and in in Russia, and it's an operating banks. It's it's not a fake. It's not an offshore. I mean, they they're wealthy, you know, asset now and his childhood friend has three percent share and three point six and at the time. I remember looking at and it was more or less worth three hundred million dollars. And he's a cellist a very accomplished musician and do chills, and he no he's I mean, he's traveled the world. He's also the godfather of Putin's oldest daughter. And now he runs a conservatory music school in Petersburg. That's in this beautifully renovated imperial palace in the city. So I asked him like how did you end up with the shares in this Bank, and I was working on a separate story on them. But also wanted to know for for the book, and you know, he he seemed quite absent minded about it or actively was he's he said, oh, it was a complicated business. It was involved. A lot of lawyers. It's like he didn't quite know. And I mean, I would remember how I. I bought shares worth three hundred million dollars. But then it turned out. We learned in the Panama papers do a lot of other off-shores that we didn't know about similar things. And so is that just because they all had the same accountant, and they got great deals on these investments is he holding it for Putin. That's certainly the implication that people like him if not him, you know, hold assets for Putin or his or his family and Putin each year under Russian law has to declare his income, and it's quite modest. I've heard people say he doesn't need a lot of money. I mean, he has the assets of the state, and you know, he has several homes he can live in, you know, he declares a couple of parts, including the one that he acquired when he was deputy mayor dodger near Finland, but you know, claims to have a pretty. Modest lifestyle. Yeah. Now when you're there what is the lifestyle for you. Are you married, and you have kids did you raise your kids? I was there with my with my family the first time I went for five years, and I'd been to Russia before I moved there. But the. The bread lines and the shortages in in supermarkets. You know, could I get fresh tomatoes? I mean, these are the things I was thinking contemplating moving there. And the fact is is that you could by then and that was two thousand and two. So the Russia's still has a lot of dire poverty, especially outside of the cities. But the the the cities have really become transformed. They've really become capitalistic, and I was just in Moscow last for the World Cup last summer, and which was a dream of mine to see the World Cup and to see it in Moscow, and the city is just was glistening, and it it's probably in its thousand year history. Never been a better place to live than it is right now when you send on the judge did you take your wife to her favorite restaurant? And you said Honey, we're going to Moscow. The I think it was a it was. It was an adventure. You know to be honest. They were signed on they were and the for my kids. It's the really their first memories. And you know, they learned some Russian I didn't put them in a Russian school. I wouldn't go that far but it's made my two daughters. Very internationally minded. I think when you left after seven years who's decision was, Well, I I went for five years the first time, and then I went back actually when I was starting to write the book, I was almost 'bout halfway through the book when they had an opening that they had they just needed somebody to fill in for a while. And so it was I was free, and it was an obvious choice for me to go. So that's when I went back, and I was there almost two years that time when you stop the there was your decision just want to do more. You know, we rotate read, you know, foreign posts don't last forever. So you usually go for the times three to five years, depending on on the location on your expertise availability of other places. I quite liked it. I would have happily stayed. And you know, at at one point they decided in today standard me from four years to fifth year. And I said, yes. And then you know, they've found a new correspondent to come. And it was my time to to rotate out and at which point I went back to Washington and covered the end of the Bush ministry in the way that Trump supporters who regardless of what is revealed in the news, but his behavior and his dealings. They've you that it's an expression of love for their country stand by the presence of two they have that over there as well. Does he enjoy some popularity among some critical mass of people he has an enormous base of popularity and there are a lot of reasons for that from the beginning. I think a lot of people saw him as dynamic young leader. If you remember Yeltsin was quite sick, and and drunk at the end of his presidency, you know, Gorbachev who was a younger leader we've seen as ineffective and let Soviet Union. Fall apart before that there is a string of leaders who died after a few months in office Brezhnev was there forever. And then here's this young guy who comes in. He's quite dynamic. He's white decisive and forceful women found him attractive, and you know, he he played that up. He was the macho guy wasn't a drinker. You know flying airplanes went skiing. You know, he's a sportsman that from the very beginning. You saw that that that media portrayal of him. I mean, even before it became a propaganda camps was ready to deal, but he was also acting forcefully. Because at the time the war in Chechnya had erupted again to erupted with his rise to the prime minister prime minister's office, which led some people see that the war is somehow linked to his rise or even orchestrated in order to let him rise. But he responded, quite forcefully and the firm. Chechen war in the nineties had ended more or less in in a technically a ceasefire, but it was a humiliating defeat for the Russians, and you know, Chechnya descended into the kind of lawlessness, and you know, he intervened and said, we're not gonna tolerate this. We're not gonna tolerate Chechen independence and intervened, quite forcefully. Bloodily lot of fighters were killed. But so we're a lot of civilians in indiscriminate bombing of the capital there, but the Russian people most people in the political leat and in nineteen ninety nine feared having another civil war. But he said, no, we're going to we're going to nine only have one we're going to fight it hard. And we're going to win it, and that proved to be really popular to people. And then he broke on top of that. I mean in his early years of office and the oil, boom prices rose. He did a lot of macroeconomic things correctly. People will say built up reserves of the state, and then that minimize some of the you know, harsh cuts. Swings. And and services and stuff byu economy picked up and then became quite wealthy. And then people started to float up as well. And you know, the middle middle class consumer class began to grow. I mean, it was there before but the nineties were so chaotic with the instability in the in the ruble into the black market, nobody trusted rubles, everybody used dollars, you know. And he he revived the economy in a way that built him a huge foundation. I think to rule on even when things went badly. And you know, he he continues to rely on that and part of the propaganda that he has an and the propaganda machine is really strong. Now, they will constantly remind Russians don't forget how bad it was in the nineties, you know, and don't forget, we have enemies all around us. And you know, NATO is gonna come and take our freedoms away. They're trying to to off a piece of our country said he never quite says who they is. But you know, it's the outsiders. It's the west it's foreigners. How dangerous is the military threat from the Russians in meeting their immediate area in terms of this concept of Russkoe near that all Russian speaking. Territories should be part of Russia Jing, that's his active agenda. Now. I don't think that he intends to incorporate all Russian speaking areas back into the Russian federation. But I do think he wants to assert a special right to influence or have influence over those regions. And that's particularly true with Ukraine, the Russian military like the country itself was flat on its back for a lot of years. And and it's it's made progress and becoming a more modern force again. And they've obviously kept up this strategic arsenal. They had from the Soviet times that makes Russia a potential military rival or threat at least. I mean, I think they've fallen way behind the American military, but nonetheless. Yes, they're they're still capable fighting force. I think that there's an enormous potential for a clash there was a conflict in Syria where we were bombing Russian mercenaries, and and bum them pretty badly. They lost by some counts several hundred people, which of course, had to be hushed up. And I think Putin is smart to not want to have this go into a hot conflict. I mean, no one's gonna win that and one of my old friends who was a diplomat for many years on the Russia desk in the State Department said, you know, we avoided war with Soviet Union. For decades, we can do it again with Russia. And I thought that was very wise point. But he's shown now with intervening in Syria that he's willing to project force beyond the borders, which they they hadn't done a long time with the exception of Georgia and people rally behind that. And there are people definitely who look at him. And they see the corruption. In the system, they feel it day to day there. But people I think so court him, and you know, that goes up and down over over the years. I don't believe that. It's eighty percent, which it's been reported to be at some point when you get that phone call from pollster saying, you know, do you support the president? I'm surprised that anybody says, no. But nonetheless, I think the popularity is is quite genuine, and when I was doing the book I really wanted to try to show how that was that it wasn't. It isn't just fake constituency. He does people who want to build like anywhere else. Yeah. And there are also people who are invested in the system, you know, a lot of his close friends and acquaintances from when he was young his judo partners are now to the richest men in Russia too. You know, the system that he's built on a certain level is functioning I always joke. That Putin always wins. That's Putin biographer and New York Times reporter, Steven Lee Myers Myers old job as Moscow correspondent was once held by New Yorker editor in chief David remnant who arrived in nineteen eighty eight right before the Soviet Union began falling apart food shops said really attractive things like bread. That's what the shop would say. And there was no bread in it. Or productive meaning groceries. And there were none of those either. It was really stark I loved it. People wanted to talk to us for the first time in decades us meeting the tribe of journalists. They wanted to talk to hear more from New Yorker editor David Ramnik checkout our archive at here's the thing dot org. I'm Alec Baldwin. And you're listening to here's the thing. Stephen Lee Myers wrote the definitive Putin biography. The news are Putin's presidency was teed up by Boris Yeltsin post Soviet Russia's first leader Yeltsin was coming to the end of his second term when he was looking around for somebody. He could hand pick. But when he picked hooting the first time that election was open, Putin only one fifty percent of the vote, and you know, it wasn't a slam dunk. And since then Putin made sure that the ways elections are managed there's no uncertainty in the voting. He strip them of the competitive uncertainty that makes them truly democratic either in terms of who can run and then the actual voting itself could transitions in Russia have never gone well, even during the empire. It was always tumultuous now in this country, you turn around one day and Vladamir Putin is working on behalf of Trump. Again. These are my words, and my gonna glib way of framing this is that Putin is the president-elect's can't pay manager, correct? During the summer of twenty sixteen. I was back in Washington at that point night. I'd finish the book the book had come out and partly because of my expertise in Russia. They asked me to help in that coverage of what seemed to be abundant ties between the exactly and and and Russia, and so we worked vigorously on that I wrote several stories that summer about his odd personal affection towards Putin who at that point he'd never met. So it was a virtual affection, and I was involved in the reporting on Paul Manafort, his ties to the Ukrainian president and also one of the oligarchs through that that he had done business with and with my colleague Eric lick. We worked vigorously on what appeared to be some kind of communication. System with a Bank from Russia, and the Trump organization there were a lot of pieces out there, and we worked very hard to confirm them all and I can say now, I guess we were quite familiar with the dossier and its various forms as it was being circulated around Washington. And I don't wanna get too much into the sourcing on all this. But we worked very hard. And this ended up becoming a story which unfortunately had a headline that said almost the opposite of what the story said if I remember exactly right? It was FBI sees no Trump ties to Russia. When in fact, the whole summer of our reporting, we showing that there were all kinds of connections. We just hadn't pieced together yet. And that's you know, that's what's going on right now. And I think even now there are people still trying to figure out what the all the connections add up to but. For me to get this. Right. You were saying wasn't necessarily electing Trump specifically, but disrupting the US electoral process, people still debate this on and honestly debate this was there an elaborate campaign our instruction our operation codename to elect Donald Trump. And there are people think that and there are people both in this country and in in Russia's especially who think that's ludicrous that there's there's no way that they could have done that. Which of course, then you're conspiracy minded people will tell you. Well, that's because they're so good at it. But others will tell you FSB's just really not that good. Look at the assassination the poisoning in London recently with scruple, and the you know that was a GRU the military intelligence agency is just completely botched almost amateur -cially botched. So there are skeptics of the view that Trump has been installed like entering candidate and an honor. Honestly, I will say I don't see the evidence for that yet. But what is clear, and there's been some good reporting on this. Then Putin had personal disdain for Hillary. And blamed her for the protests that erupted in Moscow when he did this announcement that he was coming back as president and the elections the parliamentary and then presidential elections around that time, and I was covering Hillary secretary of state, I was coming State Department at the time it's conceivable there is a secret US plan to overthrow Russia that I didn't come across. But I'm pretty confident that they weren't actually orchestrating the protests in the street. They were pretty genuine expressions of of the unhappiness in the Russian electorate, especially in the elite in the cities, the hipsters, you know, the young people today in Russia who are quite dynamic and Putin blamed her for this. And he blamed hers for the Panama papers that that was then to embarrass. Him after the events in in Ukraine. But another thing you read is Putin did all he could to help Trump in exchange for the elimination of the sanctions, do you think there's some veracity to that? I don't think you're gonna find a quid pro quo, and then I will tell you that it was absolutely the number one issue for the Russian ambassador to the United States. It's absolutely not surprising that that would have been the thing that he his first task was to get these sanctions lifted because they're hurting the Russian if they are how so it dried up the capital. I mean, it's almost the secondary effect of banks overseas no longer willing to underwrite Russian investments in dollars. So it it really constrain the economy in a lot of ways and the economy went into negative growth for a few quarters on his slowly coming out of it. But it's involved having to spend a lot more money internally. But also finding new access to capital which they've done through China and some internally as well, but they pinch and people in in Russia. Especially the elite love to come to New York. They love to party in in in London and other European capitals. They don't want to live behind an iron curtain again inside of Russia. And so these sanctions, you know, the ones against people close to him that judo partners that I mentioned already sanctioned under these they can't do business now with the United States or with the United States -ffiliated companies. And you know, it can you can see it stings. He was surprised by the extent of the sanctions that were imposed after Crimea. And he was prized by the union amity that they had in with the Europeans and Japan, by the way, this isn't just a solely US operation to punish them. And so it's been a priority of there is to get these lifted, and they they clearly wanted outrage, and you know, they've followed the election the way we all did. And they saw Trump praising Putin and eager. It seemed to make a deal and Mike Flynn. Lynn who is the first national security advisor had already had some contacts with Russians as well. So it was obvious that they would have reached out to him to see what kind of can we move quickly on getting these sanctions lifted? What could it take do? They do everything they could to elect Trump. So that they can lift these sanctions, I think is more of indirect consequence of it. As as the intent, I think the original intent, and I was told this on good authority at least the perception of some people was that Putin wanted to embarrass the United States up through the summer. They like everybody else in the United States. I think believe Trump had no chance of winning and they saw that under Clinton. There was not going to be any chance of an improvement in relations, which I'm not sure was true. I think she might have been more pragmatic and dealing with them once in office. I agree, but they clearly wanted to harm her as much as they can. And when you look at what the the operation is involved the hacking really the leaks to win. Leaks. The, you know, the the emails embarrassing stuff about Sanders about Clinton. What is it all add up to, you know, and and it's it's really meant to discredit democracy itself. Tweet accounts and Facebook accounts and all them generating. This is new only because it's social media. They did this in the sixties. If you go back and look at the propaganda. They put out during the Vietnam, it was leaflets whose books posters, they supported civil rights organizations that were challenging the government, you know, anti-war move on. Exactly. And you know, what they were doing is essentially an old playbook on Facebook. And one of the things I've wrestled with is that they were pushing on an open door, right? If they created these fake websites to push fake news. You know, they they found a receptive audience to it. And a lot of those reposting things going viral. We're done on American soil muscle. Was there? They just gave it a steroid. And they were sort of you know, they were exploiting the existing divisions that are out there. And I think they did it quite effective. I don't know how much they relish this victory of theirs because I'm not sure it turned out quite. The way they imagined one of the political advisors very close to the Kremlin. Just the other day was talking about the supremacy of the Russian system. You know, why it's a better form of government than, you know, liberal democracies of the west trying to pretend that it was a pure form of democracy because it wasn't cynical which is ridiculous because there's no political leader more cynical than vitamin Putin. But nonetheless idea that we have this veneer of we're all equal, you know, and every vote counts, and you know, our system is full of checks and balances, and you know, this is the model that everybody should adopt. You know, they they hate that. And to the extent that they can show that no it's actually a glee, and it's you know, it's big business running things invested interest, and there are these seething racial tensions, and you know, the system's rigged against people like Bernie they play on and going back to your question about what the intent was. I think that was the intent was to show that democracy, isn't some shine was. Yeah. It's it's flawed as any other systems. So who are you Americans to tell us that our system is wrong. And and I think there was a sense of personal vengeance in it because of the way in his view Clinton and the United States the above administration broadly discredited, his triumphant return to the presidency personal. I think interesting how it's Obama taunting Trump at the White House correspondence to leverage his his presidency. And so bombing taunting Putin, the leverages Putin to aid Trump, but I want to ask you in the way leaders in this country often model themselves after someone else they'll say, someone's a Kennedy democrat or a Reagan Republican in Russian history Putin model himself after anybody's whereas you can say. That's an excellent question. People will say, you know, he's a new stolen. They'll say he's a new Gorbachev because he's reform-minded Andropov. I mean, people have made comparisons the one obvious one. And it was the reason I titled the book the way I did is he's clearly reaching back to some sort of imperial greatness. You know, people say oh, Putin's trying to recreate communism Soviet Union. He's not. I mean, he he's been saying that for years, you know, he obviously sees and saw the failures of the Soviet system. End of communism. What he wants to recreate his sense of greatness of his country pride in his country. Which when he was a young boy was putting a man in space the first country put a man in space. It was defeating the Nazis in World War Two and that resonates in Russia much more than more to does in our country for the obvious reason than lost the scale of loss, twenty seven million people, and the destruction. On the homeland in a way that we didn't experience except for Pearl Harbor. But I often think that he's not modeling himself to be Peter the great or, you know, czar nNcholas, but I think he he looks at history is a sort of Schwartz board. You know, a buffet where he will dabble a little bit depending on his mood. You know, what his taste is that any given day. What the situation is. So he might need a little Soviet nostalgia. Which you whip up with the the war in particular? Maybe a little bit of the imperial greatness. The restoration of the church, you know, Russia's exceptional place in world history. As the third Rome, he like professes to be a believer and practices though, somewhat loosely. It seems but he wants to be seen as a religious believer. He wants to be a tough guy, and you know, with the military greatness, you know, which can evoke, you know, Borodino and the war of eighteen. Twelve or were too. So he picks and chooses as as is necessary. But they come a nation is what makes him so intriguing because I think that there's this cartoon version of Putin as the super villain. But in fact, it's a more complicated history there, and I think that he believes that he's created this this new Russia. They really came out of this. You know, horrible experience. I mean, what he called the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the twentieth century the collapse of the Soviet Union. They always say Russia's up offer knees. You know, there was a sense that she was down and he's made her great again make Russia. Great again, exactly. And it's the same. When you're looking at at rising, China and a more aggressive to you know, a country that's willing to project power. How do you deal with that mistake in the China is more anxious to protect their power than the Russians? No, I don't think that's true. I mean, I think that the Chinese are are very anxious to project power. In the areas that really matter to them, which is Taiwan and the South China Sea, though, they have opened a base in Djibouti their first overseas base. And I know that the United States has now under the Trump administration declared both of these potential rivals if you were president, which would you be more worried about there's no question that the biggest challenge for the United States. Now is China? It's the economic challenge. It's the military challenge. It's the trade challenge. I mean, it's it's the issues that you're seeing this this administration deal with and Obama administration dealing with it as well, and whoever comes next going to be dealing it because China's country that really Burnley believes in its skinny, and and it's a system that is even more thirteen million than Russia is and more efficiently. Authoritarian than Russia's and that makes them more powerful economy is working better. I was just up on the the border on both sides of of Russia and China looking at the trade, and it's staggering to see the differences on the Chinese side. Versus a Russian. I mean, it's Russian Siberia. So it's always been a forgotten region. But in air coots, for example, now you see signs in Chinese. There's a lot of Chinese trade. There's a lot of timber coming in from Russia natural resources, and the Chinese market is just so big that it's devouring these resources, and they're happy to have them, and, you know, in the old days in the Chinese used to sing these songs about the big brother, the Soviet Union, helping the little brother and the roles reversed by and, you know, Russia and Putin are now a junior partner to China, and that's going to be a very hard pill for them to swallow. I think when did you get the call the you're going to Beijing? They asked me actually, right before the election and under still there now, and I'm still here. Yeah. I've been almost two years. Now, would you in the bubbling what you to learn Chinese? I did try to learn Chinese, and I'm still trying and I will be trying for many years to come the difference in terms of the bureau and the work. That's their Beijing now is much bigger. It's our. Biggest foreign bureau outside of the two editing hubs in London Hong Kong, they're seven of correspondence in in Beijing, two more and Shanghai three in Hong Kong. And how's the job different for you? People. Ask me this. And I'll say again that China is a much more authoritarian place in terms of politics. There is no opposition person. You can go talk to who will tell you. Oh, yeah. The president's wrong. That was a terrible decision. Are we should be doing this? I'm not even talking about people trying to overthrow the government. But just people who will disagree. So you have this almost conformity in the in the system, and people are very afraid to speak out against that even on seemingly non-controversial issues demographic issues environmental issues, not the core engine. I mean, like Tibet or Taiwan tenement square. Those are the three TS. They say you're never supposed to talk about their heavily censored we have to work with virtue. Private networks, even to get on the internet New York Times has banned there, but so is g mail Facebook. I mean, the things that we all rely on for communicating and for work, and you know, I was detained when I went to Tabet and region of Sichuan and basically driven by the police out of the area and then put on a plane back to the regional capital because they just didn't want me there. And this happens to everybody was unique. And you know, the regent. We can't go to Tabet the sin John region, which we still can go to is heavily police now almost to Tallaght -tarian surveillance and in Russia. You can still talk to people who tell you Putin's crazy his driving us into the ground. You know, I was in Irkutsk in October on a trip up to Lake Baikal. I just happen to walk by the headquarters of this opposition anti-corruption fighter. Name Alexia only a very impressive figure and his just almost daily bashing the government for its corruption. And you know, he's been sentenced to short terms in jail. Brother got a three year sentence in jail. But he's still speaking out. He's still hold rallies and his campaign office can openly exist in this provincial town in Siberia, inconceivable in China that somebody could exist again as even as loyal opposition. I remember reading an article talked about the high speed train being built there. And they told these people, you know, here's the time line, and you've got to build this train over this enormous breadth of space and the men that were charged with this contracting. They did it. They did exactly what they were asked to do. And they did it on time on budget, really emphasizing the Chinese disciplined that way. And then there was a derailment of the train soon thereafter, some people were killed and they took a couple of the engineers, and they executed them that donated the let's bring those guys over the MTA. They we get some results here on the second subway. I hope it doesn't take that extreme to get the ways to earn core. Amtrak to be more efficient, you know that the Chinese system works that way. And it is it does make it incredibly efficient. They don't have to worry about even economic things that would stymie us. And so, you know, you see this incredible network being built their new airports even small towns. This town on the border. I went to really glistening new airport town of three hundred thousand people. The high speed trains are great there. There has been there was at one really terrible accident. But by and large, it's it's an economy. That's booming. And that's that's why I think it's posing such a threat in Moscow is glistening as the city, you know, the rest of the rest of the of of Russia's still struggling in a way that China, you can feel it. Leaping forward. That was New York Times Beijing correspondent and biographer Vladimir Putin, Stephen Lee Myers. I'm Alec Baldwin. 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S1E123: The Shawn Harvey Morning Show 05/01/20

The Shawn Harvey Morning Show Podcast

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S1E123: The Shawn Harvey Morning Show 05/01/20

"Third Arcor with me on the hung up. Apologize All that it was. It is a good affil- Good Friday this Friday meeting. I twenty twenty nine minutes after the hour. Welcome to Shawn one show featured Where where you get your morning started right wing place on earth. We get some more to start only at morning. Love a chat room is wide. Open cleats all the love or want to call the number spot seven zero nine eight hundred six five zero. A broadcasting live on iheartradio radio DOT com our Sohag him on the show DOT COM. Worldnet radio in our cars on soccer right here on facebook live. Selectmen shared his show we appreciation. Cj on good. Friday good morning city j s to the double. And you can't deny how are you sitting? I'm doing great good morning. Everyone feel Good Friday. Get Great Show for you today. We're going to get started with front page news Sunny Day where I will let you know what's going on locally and nationally. You don't WanNa Miss Good Morning Barbie. 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This is a project that one building city jail to three on this thousands of folks over their car capital right like a compound responsibility responsible. You should turn rockets if they call their actual good equipment actor picture that as I'm shipping records. Can you give me? That's that's a huge responsibility. And how many times me today and action meetings is job at the at the meeting with his son planes music at the meeting a black club and it took us at all in the intrusions. Nancy's days just to you know. Ask for this guy because you have to be paid out to give it up. Dance and on this Imperil you know so. I try to Charlotte Eternal. Took it at work for free? Yes of course Burton. He's awesome. Do No question you know for the community. Unconditional and why he will always be Stevens. Blesses you a eric? Erickson one for some kind of political office seizure. Yeah do they have like council stimulating men like an assembly person in a congress person or wouldn't think about that. Look Action Center on the Avenue or take a lot of the problems and Ara Product. Angell Hansen respected. You so I did not me. I like to be behind in an alert and snow headed to Chicago. Respect about that you should. I think you should run for I think you should reconsider. And I think you should with some type of office because you can take the Which you know laying Wooden houses and spread it throughout the community. Even though like you said the politicians I want you maybe we consider Eric. Split these lessons out the community of the forest of McKinley area. I get picture that that's how a lot of people you know. We've been speaking to a lot of like you know politicians lately and stuff like that but a lot of them say they get into it. Do to public need like they get so upset over. How things are being done. People not participating that they decided to get involved at the highest rate in doing this from kind to your heart. You're not talking wellness right. Some people have resistance communities so pissed off. You're not that's not too eric. I'm not talking. Bothers People Christopher titled It. Obviously but you know if you become you know about. That's incredible were fettes stronger. I kissed them itself. Chronic traffic had experience are very little ram route tonight. Better family. Chris Berman ultimate infant yard. So we talk conclusion of steps to having a good China split when the other than that? And I I he. He loves his hood and not only is Odyssey's also council dirk some of these folks in the Jennifer southbound actually run for Russia in gathered. I'm certified a people way footing people together but if I run up anything all the skeletons. Come out the closet and did got. It's not going to be good. I'll stay on this The the baby mamas come out in is not gonNa be good. Erica you so focused on the community. Are you currently dating somebody? What's up with your love. Life Rabbit Rabbit out there so you would. You do have nine. You will get you get you get your smash on Knocker channing optical Canton attacks type in time right right Bay yes so right so you move out you move the chair out the way and you could miss the star bus and ass. How did you feel? He was so much as he asks female. Bring the chair back. She's like no. I'm leaving habits as laying in the bed but as nick every bit of new down or King Rockford ask follow up cable because you know Joe came out there with his. Can't remember what it was. We were all dressed up and his son played music. We were at the club and in Joe came with his lovely wife and and Joe had on his patent leather shoes. He looked very comfortable with his patent number shoes. Danny job with the whole life. Not What's next book on doing the full covert the cocoa the hand sanitizers in a massive? She given out of a preventative measures. Are you sharing with the community? And also how difficult is it to practice a social distance in in in the looked like that don't do they wanted to give it back in order to swing is a lot and they start sneezing and then they got his offspring in terms of spring? Kirk but would it rain? It took side with other tough talking. We give crocodiles begun leaking Dash J sweepers appointed every time you want the has the purpose. Thank whatever when we go. Let's let's once again once once again. There's notes US Senate J. Broadcom I say every day Chris Cox Blackhawks the honorable. He's in the wheelchair well and he works twice as hard as all of us. And that also would eric And my whole thing is this That's why get on some your some time because you're sitting there crying over things that are just not even in like that lead to get your ass out there and get on. Frontlines held up. Because that's what Eric's don't last say you're Kogo in Erica's out then frontlines. Every morning. He gets up Eric. My question to you is how the hell why get one of those fly out to patrol. Jackets walked window. Cratering five hundred or so when you call us to see you know what man you know what I miss the most. I was dating this jake back in the McKinley houses right across the street right in front of the bus. Stop on the second floor. This chick was sitting just to check on a section eight. I was telling you about all the benefits that have all the benefits. I was with this woman for a year. I had twenty seven. His sneakers three cars. I was given a hundred twenty dollars a month. We were living. You'll see had a big she had. She had a shock. Ten Real Ashok in the house and in the bag on my dumb ass with the print chicken Westchester County will hurt wet was like two thousand dollars and and I left McKinley. The goal with this chick. I ran back to McKinley. Somebody that man was in out. Orrin Hatch you. Lamb takes US passion away truck. Twenty isn't it? Isn't it refreshing Eric? Lizzy says he's president. He knows every every damn. It's too late for me. I'm already relationship. But he does know all ladies and Gentlemen. I WanNa like with error. He knows exclusively. All the single ladies in the products. Nj that'll on section eight was clever that I mean if you're in that now now now that's that's very powerful information. Wicked wicked my folks. Finally before we take a break man we appreciate. What can he find? Wickham folks find US Eric on social media with any find yourself you have grown B- bad drug traffickers breath bad. 'cause day you go in this is this is real man no saying if you locally you in the neighborhood where and if you don't have anything to eat or there's something going on lease math remand. Don't listen there's no shame in my game and there's something going on I'm GonNa let you know what it is so the thanked me understand for you if you're in the area. Y- walls wherever you are in New York City link up with Arab former job but if you need something the heat and these these good men will accommodate man you know the world is such a better place with folks like you Eric. In the in the world from the story that she came with the accident coming back to the hood selling all that loud all that we use but I was I was a crack smoker personal. Then you went for all of that and and they now serve the community manage the story. Let's let's applaud him. This turn around in that way to now arguing folks that separate nuts on each of your yo you you. You are inspiration. No this is Phil. Good Friday in this sharing what you but it should be motivation. Monday with Murph calling there but on this kilger Friday. I'll for sure everyone echoes the same sentiment as me like Mu just making us. You're really good and you're such an inspiration to the community bro. Not Perfect in Erica. The next time you smash call because we want details can we really can't of our platform missy. This is what I'm talking about. No excuse me. Excuse nine this no everybody get out of your life. Forty cut us off. I really hurts. Good morning everyone. Show cine bogging. This is showing you a mess commodities platform. Generalize won't Chat Room Number. We know that are known for forty years. Cj We used to play basketball together for the chat room that don't know I was one of those ghetto superstar basketball players by now. I right now I was like I was the best basketball player on my block. You know what I mean. What would mess used to come outside every day? I use the A playground within the buses ass on a regular base. The story right before this story. Right up from Sean and basketball fallen now. Now we go back and Eric wanted best will play art. So we WANNA talk fast. That's GONNA give Eric Wedge to have taken over the my game and just WANNA call it and it becomes a brother Herod particularly when I went to North Carolina Opera cited as basketball niven forest and my son was one of those crazy. And I didn't even know around here In the Barry Trial that was my son started talking to my son him for that and I have a because I wasn't there and it wasn't Eric had to know years in jail. Recovers Good Chunk out my son a lot off your weather data. Talk to calm down. Get into other states and you got to show the sons pro on Sunday. He he called my son. Now Your Dad knock crop. I have respect for call them. You said Eric Page that would be the life would not have a black man. Give praise with other black men for saving his own going appropriate anyway also obtain five complete change with a play. Thank God you about. These are but it's a way of anyway. Not that is true. Brother way everything he's doing now he does it for the community. I'll get the quake brother. Okay so Joe Joe they brother been hold that C- in like this is such a blessing right now. The U to share honestly. That's one thing about showing you a tyke shares. He says honestly about what he's going through on for you to even just shared his story is this is wishing to me. And and and Eric to connect with just someone do they. Even what was going on and took your son underneath his wings is a story that needs to be told me heatedly for all these young men that are out there now. Blessed brother in God bless Eric. You know for doing this and being there for your son and this is what this is all about especially with men. They'll take the village. It takes your bills you know especially with men you don't hear. I mean women a with their daughters. And and this this this sisterly love in here in real time in a real experience with men and young men so to hear the story of also very refreshing and and for Eric to basically save your son live and for him to now bowl on after all. It's all things at the window and be appropriate. Member of society is nothing but a like I said. Look there for him. We need seventy one. You Bet I have y'all at Eric. You know saying he gets all the brothers. That's the day they come back. You have bigger. We have a big cavalry us day into each other. Visually by play. Does something like that for all of us two years old. He's still win over the Czech and you write your office just well. I don't will move back to New York the US relationship now. Whoa WHOA wait. We'll speak up son well. He Acts Excellency. Currently relationship with God won't be honest. I'm currently dating dating. Someone in the chat will not city again on the massive bringing people literally at this. Everybody has a path out. And I ain't gonNA test back late so sure I'd be happy. Congratulations inbound. Sean inbox. We will you talking to if you don't mind if there's anyone should be called by island now so you know they don't WanNa know know about. This is the new I all you know. We really only been out once we get all. We hope you know it was a good thing for your. After we call every night we were once they do earn wow shine. Hey y'all now Finney kill it. Now we gotta run all up and down that chat room on the thing is how do you enter? Sure who see a so a song chat room number two week? Gon? You're quite guy go. Oh Hey everybody breaking news as anybody in the Chat Room. I want to say something to me. You missed this. You missed it. They always missing some connection type. Look Gandhi by. How it was back row is easily be fed air show on day they stay existed girl speaking right now right now. I ain't over trying to potential down there. My kids are GonNa be besides yet overseeing. Hey oversee here he way? But you a Master Sean Walker was chatting and wanting to come to Pennsylvania or Pity or whatever the woman calls I ooh Nice. I will first of all of a look at the oversee yesterday paws. But he's a very good look. He's tall you are you. Are you Jada overseas very attractive? Young man winnable right. That's why that's why I WANNA lay hands on them and then by Paolo Christ's compel you. We appreciate your enthusiasm started. Set up the one that nonni singer. Jason hasn't she hasn't she didn't she hasn't had any painting the calendar year. Two Thousand and nineteen going. She achieved built a housewife used to be a housewife back off. Right and yes. Lovely beautiful very intelligent smart a she has a loving family again. She prefers the the light skinned man. She liked light skin now. I don't get too far. You know Massachusetts as far and kind of meaty era goes along with this chicken Texas back in the day. Counting work out like flop four. She flew up here close to be a bit much. Cost me a thousand flights yesterday. Things were asked to relocate. Oh Jar Eighty. Well walk them. Well it's also it's also a settled with the oversee. He brings the young up the down here then they set up another church down. Right Bible Way Church down yet. They will interrupt community and beloved. You'll be the first lady of grand new shirts girls not skinny not not saying. Check this out. If this young man is qualified. That's a that's a stat will be a good move for Houston J. in your standing in the community as well you're sending a radio of first lady or nothing wrong first lady. Mom will. I mean the word packers scares me of. I think that this of something of you brand new friends like like You give you get friends like like the Queen and you get a bunch of friends like that despite this man. He's the call in now. Sir I don't heirs would likely to matter of fact overseas overseas. God bless you brother way the way he might be one Senate you never know he might be. I think he did. Send me a message last night. Oh wait wait wait you do. Wawrinka do anything since you a missiles last night. Yeah pitcher view and with Roy and he's very handsome. I've seen the pitcher. He's asked young fellow. Yeah thanks you got to look at it here right now working city. Yeah anything. It was just like Class he was like I'm glad we connected and I hope that all is well with you with you know with everything. I do. Right now Now sitting he might wait a minute. Wait a minute city. The might have an unnamed oversee a cheesy cannot become oversee about what I want to always say is. How did you over civil technically? I'm kind of oversee anyway. Yeah you are radio. Yeah I want to. I want you to train me on overseas. Behold before we get back to that now J. Logos on India for about twelve hours. Yeah she was in love for fifteen hours. In the guy was big money graph. So cine you go from that to this accident. I had without the nineteen hours a day hours love with eighteen hours. He got mad as hell. This you kind of ran on. Yeah you know A. New York New York. You're skinny of the young man says is everything workout like. Might BE WILLING TO RELOCATE. Pocono area just to give you the Pocono area. This isn't this wasteland. There's not really going on valley I live there. I don't care if they get mad at me in the days. If I say this about the Poconos I lived there from two thousand five. It's a two thousand thirteen. I'm qualified to talk about now. There's really nothing going on down there. But if he's willing to come down here synergetic. That's something no melody. The Flexibility is nice. 'cause that was gave opportunity for other things I mean. Hopefully you know. If he's working. Is he just like immature? Know is very ratcheting little bit hard on 'em expired Avenue Berry again away wouldn't want to get away from the hustle and bustle of his. Yeah come out here and all the listen. All the resorts are owned by the Babylonians and the Babylonians. They come by here on the weekend. Some black folks that Baloney. They ski and they will watch the is in the black folks and Latinos. They get drunk in the hawk. All you could bring your wife whatever the school but is there the full experience of enjoyed by the Babylonians the blackhawks come out there to go shopping? A little bit and then go back to the start drinking now. I think that this is a possibility obviously has made calling call them on right now. We gotta take a break having call them right. I'm like little in Syria. You God this Sydney Sydney as in everyone. No I love you to death city. I love barbies. Well W you like a daughter to meet my. My oldest son is older than us. Is Sean Notching? I'm Kinda like Kinda like almost like a fall figure to you right now. Senior U three occupied my Fath-. My phone was dead. You've been there for a long time. So I kind of take you underneath with Barbie colonialism on all planning on now now not necessarily here's from Newark Planet. A you know and you. Dan Willing listening to you up so I just want to be there. Just at for supported. I need to advocate and I need to know what this young man is all about. Cj because unqualified. We'll be right back art institute hard said Ladies and Gentlemen Periods Join Channel for real for real damage. What did you mean? I didn't mean that? Yeah he's Stating Brown saying he got questions. That's where he's got to play the big brother role. GotTa do your vetting process breath. I know that's right. He's L. Dare I say thirty five yesterday. I'm GonNa Kim Do yes I do. When I saw it. Come across more Iringa. Otherwise works out will definitely give them our takes. Us Embassy for your address French Q. Often theme I own that Friday. 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Nationwide over a million city Coco Vandeweghe. Dutton the mess couldn't say nothing else. Would I team? Pandemic experts have said that about sixty to seventy percent of the. Us population will be contracting the virus. Now where there's a devastating second wave or a series of smaller ones depends on the country's preparedness which we all know. We're not the experts behind the reports. The virus will stop by achieving herd immunity But that is not a university a universally shared view Germany German scientists say herd immunity. There would be nearly impossible to cheat. Instead they recommend bringing infections down to manageable levels that implementing contact tracing to track and stop the spread of the virus. I heard about this contact tracing supposedly. There's APPS that are coming up so where you can lie. You can find out if you've been in contact with somebody who has been infected so it's like basically people that are infected like saying where they're staying if they were infected and where they set and like people can like logging anywhere near of our game but that's what contact tracing is so. I guess it's kind of a way to kind of get everybody to know like what's going on As far as reopening the CDC has put together a a series of guide to help stay safely reopen. It's a seventeen page document and it has guideline or childcare programs schools day camps communities fe employers with vulnerable workers restaurants bar and Mass Transit. They still saying to limit. Large gatherings encouraging limited capacities in schools at removing students are encouraged to stay six feet apart but none of the damn near impossible when the classrooms overcrowded anyway majority out of school but not to mention they also found that air conditioning moves around so if there is like especially in hot areas like Florida California Texas things like that. What if they're sitting speech apart was somebody's infected and the air conditioner just moving it around right? Something has airborne. It really doesn't matter anybody. Six feet apart and to me they need to get this below a million cases like a million recovering before they send kids back to school and that is Niagara to worry about the second way because everybody knows as soon as school starts this sicknesses com exactly automatic. So we'll exactly a distinct that again again. The disrespected the cocoa. Forget about the schools. That's all I said before. Events everybody to the next grade stopover schooling things Swinging the schools. Everyone has to get off even the kids and then they could go back to school in September August in August September. This disrespecting his base that has no cure yet in no vaccine unnoticed. So in the mass. That's the old school technique in his working. Slowing it down. But there's no way you can have people who people are going to be some way to need it opening things list. Yeah or at least have I don't know I don't even know I was so I guess we'll see because I think that once everything opens you know back up which is going to happen the next couple of weeks you know because the because as you all know the federal mandate the federal social distancing ended yesterday and of course the trump administration is not reinstating it on a federal level. So now's up everybody else and I just feel like once everybody starts getting out. Then they're going to I don't know I what I think. People are GonNA stop being loud. Start being lax with blacks baby wearing by that so So we'll see And I have some ill. Good foothold on. Was Lego City or below. Your enemy ghetto me yesterday. Ray in a hole for everybody chat rule and I said an advocate for the closing of the New York City subway station. Your said I was out of my mind Sean again and I'M OUTTA my mind you're out of your mind because you're listening to this. Show Cindy J. Guess what they did yesterday Dip Clothing Look City subway from one pm to five am indefinitely. I Know Sean. I reported that yesterday. Yeah so three listening was yesterday and you have to the last. Ten ten trades on everything closed them from one of five overnight for cleaning. Well you know what we'll be continuing to do that is Sydney. I think it should. I think the expand that a Obu one hundred ten in the morning then that just means I'm like shut down the whole thing. They they should stop the subway for two weeks. We probably can stay fifty thousand people but nobody wants to do that because they have to get a rational there is excuse me there is good. Did you just got wait? Wait wait wait I get called. I love my throat right right city out okay. Continue your around. Do not at home. Tom Hanks this is a little study. Says and some feel good. Tom Hanks and read a Wilson are offering up their antibodies to help research corona buyers treatment had tested positive for parole virus back mid-march while they were in Australia they quarantine there and upon recovering from the virus active April. I'm Tom Hanks has been using his recovery. As a source of hope at amusement for social media he appeared. Npr's comedic radio show and asked him whether he was now immune to the virus and not only did confirm that his blood now carries antibodies against coke in Nineteen Roy. Wilson will be donating their blood for further research on. He says we have not only been approached about donating our blood. We have said. Do you want our blood. Can we give plasma and in fact we will be getting it now to the places that hope to work on what I would call that. What seen the hanging by the facts? Yeah so yeah and you know. Basically saying hospitals across the country are now searching for recovered cove in nineteen patients to donate plasma several NBA player for also now coopering volunteer donor and You know they're just urging people recovered from it to donate their plasma. You know of course a lot of people have you know their own views about that but if you But you know it's a it's a great thing to help make these vaccines that could be coming out later this year or early and all that with thank you so much and I heard everywhere said I was listening to you. God bless yeah operating any sports sports. I'm we December quick Nascar IS PLANNING ON OPENING UP A on. May Seventeen the actor to my hiatus but In Darlington raceway and South Carolina. 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Ep. 577: Dry Sub with Aimee Mann

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Ep. 577: Dry Sub with Aimee Mann

"Give little time for the child within you don't be afraid to be young and free onto the lock central away, the keys and take coffee shows and sex and run you it's Jordan Jesse go. I'm Jesse thorn, America's radio sweetheart, Jordan Morris Baloi detective, oh boy detect. We just ended weird for civil. So I thought I would did I really it was a little weird. Do you think? That's just be. I did not do it on purpose. Do you think? It's because I'm so pumped up on Sudafed. That's one explanation. Are you pumped on the fed? Oh, yeah. Like, I was fucking Issan old Trump at the presidential debate. He Soudan what do they call? What do they call being blast on Sudafed getting ready getting ready? Yeah. I like the cupcakes. You got it, man. I am. So I'm completely out of my mind. Wow. Taking some etc. Today. Taking a number of Sudafed had to go through that sad ritual where you don't mix baby come on to the you know, where you go to the pharmacist, and you have to convince your meth dealer. Come on. You know, the old, you know, the old rhyme Sudafed before excedrin you'll hurt your head in. That situation. Yeah. And of course, etc. Before Sudafed, you'll be dead. Oh, jeez. Yeah. Well, I guess that gives the light of that old wives tale because here I am baby. Wow. Podcasting and better than ever alive. Well, messing up syllables, and those you know, what fuck those old wives in their tails. They're never true. Sorry. I don't mean to come out against old wives. Look if I wanted to tail I'd ask Ganji. The sale of Ganji. I don't know. What that is the first Japanese Malval. Oh, yeah. Kenji on the line unless he somebody's wife, then I don't want to hear from him. Well, if he's a young wife the ad here from a young a truly elderly wife. Right. Yeah. But not an old wife, no old wives are the ones spreading those tale. A wife in a coma. Sure. Absolutely my favorite Smith song. Should we introduce our guests? I'd love to of course, she's an award-winning singer songwriter. She's a gifted actor a lot of people don't know that. She's the host core. Co host of the art of processes and band brand new smash hit maximum fun podcast. She is much too. Good for this, Amy, man. Thank you for that fabulous introduction. I completely object to the I'm a terrible actor, but thank you. I've I've stumbled my way through a couple of things it's very don't love to stumble. My way. So it was we were talking about this a little bit before, Mike. But a friend was gushing to me when because we were eating gushers love live, a friend gush. Yeah. God. Yeah. And my friends are just gushing friend, and I were just fruit by the foot and glue. Gushing to me about how great you were on the the Gianni Versace. She show. Thank you. I just you know, saying song to version of the song. I had already sung before. So it wasn't really. Was it like one of those tending to sing? Oh, what is it called lip synching? What was it? Like one of those things where a band plays at the peach pit for the cast of nine. Oh, two one. Oh. Or they go to the max to perform for the what's that show called save. I think max only had close up magic. Never played Harry Anderson come to the max, no. There was a budget. Harry Anderson on saved by the bell who performed close up magic for the kids. But it would have some sort of like symbolism to what they were going on. What was going on with him that week? Really? I think so I watched a lot of saved by the bell. I don't remember Eddie magical metaphor, not at all. Yeah. I remember at time on out of this world where ABRAHAM LINCOLN put EV's cashmere sweater into what he called the makes small machine turns out. It was the dryer. Oh boy. Where's that reboot? Yeah. Come on. I've watched none no saved by the bell. But the magic metaphor segment intrigues me now. Yeah. What? So what would you? So you. Okay. So you were on the research you program. You were very funny on Portland. Yeah. I got Fred and carry there and my instructions to them were please tell me exactly what to do. I am funny and don't embarrass you. I think it's it's a hilarious episode one of my Amy you would never embarrass them you'd embarrass yourself, and by sociation, they would be embarrassed. So they have a stake in it is not as big as my steak and the entire independent film channel. Yeah. Exactly. I think I think based on our experience hosting a television program for the independent film channel they're running barrier. Sibal? That's true there without shame. Yeah. You'd bears yourself barris the rerun if Lake Placid that comes on after you. Anyway, that's what's on. I have see these days. I think are pretty much who knows doesn't tell you. Do you have a favorite acting role? Do you have a like a time? When you think like, oh, man nailed it on this. I've really haven't done that much. I mean think that Portland thing was pretty good. Yeah. It's really unfairly proud of that. Do you have a dream role? Drew like a role to play. I'll give you an example, Hugh, Jackman just tweeted and a lot of people share this information with me, Hugh Jackman just tweeted that he will be playing professor Harold hill in the music man on Broadway. Oh, that's right now. I'm I'm no murderer. But you'd like to murder him for doing that. Is that the sentence should? Look, do you think he could take Jackman murderer hind? He's a man I could take him. If he didn't see me coming. Hewitt a sneak up on Jackman, hypothetically. Now, I wouldn't ever rubber is and you're in I wanted to hear I'm no murder. And. Plan tonight. I do own a black turtleneck so black pants, right? Some black. Let's say kids black kids sneaking shoes those are sneaking. Yeah. Yeah. I like to I like to speak in my shape ups. Oh, how is my bottom as I sure sneak up. That's how Joe Montana does all his murdering. You're murdering thing going to tie back to Hugh Jackman. Yeah. So that's what you're going to murder if I can take out Jackman and granted his Jackman and international treasure. Sure. Nothing wrong with Jackman per se other than the fact that as far as I can tell and I haven't looked at the depth charts recently. But as far as I can tell he's the only thing standing between me and being professor Harold hill on Broadway. Is that your goal is that a goal of yours? Yeah. That's why I got into the entertainment industry. Would you like to end by the industry? I guess I mean PR I feel like that calls for you singing, something from the music, man. Trouble little trouble. Yeah. I have my pipe. I don't think that's things. Darrelle is hard to get. Hey poopie. Show poopie too hard to say, it's not the Harold hill. Character I'm not what's the herald is gone. Do you get to seventy six trombones? What I do, you know songs from seventy six trombones. That's hill music, man. What's it Marian the librarian? That's a great one. Yeah. Just to bars. Are you really want me to sing? Yeah. We're we're you hetero. Production housing evening. Lovely blow in my pitch pipe again. Oh, you brought one two. We all have pitch. I'm not seeing occupied six Trump bows. Four. Followed by rows and rows of the finest virtuosos and drums of every shape inside into it sued it, huge step aside. Yeah. Man. Fluttering adamant. Well, this is a great German now has. Wait, hold on. Do you think the greatest show was about wolfberry? Pretty sure that was an art Hugh Jackman, he's not wolverine and all of his movies. No. He wasn't the one. I saw. Well, that's one. Yeah. There are other one hundred per cent. Yeah. No, you're right. I think he right. I think every movie and now boy does I gotta mean implications for the X men universe is. Now is. Now is the music man, part of the X men universe. Yeah. -solutely? Wow. Yeah. He's a mutant his his mutant power is salesmanship. Suddenly that show makes a lot more sense sell anything. Oh, yeah. And of course, the townspeople their mutant power is Iowa stubborn. What's the Wells Fargo wagons? Mutant power coming down. Hey, I wanted to because you know, it's the max fund drive. Yeah. That's true. Where we're we're talking. We're talking about we're talking about the fans how much we appreciate the fan. We've got some fans right here. Whereas as we record this is not what we normally do. But we decided this week. We would live stream this week's record on Facebook. So we've got fans some watching loaded up this around the world six eight nine of them. Wow. Nine. Bye. Mom. Yeah. Mom nine. Went down to eight. I think your mom's step away from the screen. Oh, yeah. Right. My mom, my mom just turned on Pudi pot. I'm mom loves PD, by the know why she's a crypto Nazi? Oh, yeah. PD pies. Pat, anyway, sorry to sorry to bandy about the name Pudi pie casually. Yeah. It's fun to say. Yeah. But I tell you I won't say it anymore. I was on Twitter and some were little I know. Well, I'm not bragging my curls logging by lifestyle. And someone at mentioned me, and they said, hey, I'm just tweeting at random people can you give a shout out to Putin pie. Oh, gosh. Support independent performers. What? And so I don't really know about PD by except that he was accused of being a crypto, not Satan. However. What I found myself. Wishing was that. We on Jordan Jesse go, right? The con- ending frustrating, and ultimately disappointing podcasts that we host. Had. People who cared so much about our program that they would be tweeting at Pudi pie to say. Hey, can you just give shout out to Jordan Jesse go? That would be nice. What's Pudi by doing that? We're not streaming. I guess I guess he's little stream having various views. Yeah. Views. I wanted to because we're talking about we're talking. We're talking about the fans this week, and I want I had a really nice interaction with a fan. And I just wanted to shout them out personally. And I just wanted to take this space in the show to create some space. I love spaces. She wanted to create a space to say just a high and a shoutout to Alex the bartender at the Hollywood and Highland. David busters while who looked at my ID. And I'm glad he checked my ID. Yeah. Of course. Let's because I mean, do I look under twenty one. Okay. I mean, I get so I'm flattered you know, what I said. Thank you. That's what I centered. Thank you to be yet to be at my age. Right. I that was thrill one. Yeah. To be. Yeah. Thrilled to is to be inside. David bus. You didn't even have your face on. When they I know many looked at the idea and he's right from the gym. He's like Jordan Morris says I listened to your podcast every day. Now, should you? Listen to the show every day. I mean, maybe not I mean, I guess you could probably divert your life NIA from towards a more dissolute path. It's an hour. I guess I just wonder at what you're listening to at that point. Are you re listening to the state because we only do an hour and a half a week, right? And the daily show doesn't the daily doesn't just, but you know, maybe it's aced out and segments now. Yeah. Maybe maybe ten minutes. I don't know. What is now? If you ask three days right there. You know? So okay. Maybe there's a backlog. Yeah. Maybe came late to the game. Could we could be he's just but he's I've been listening to every day for two weeks every week. There's ninety minutes of the regular show ninety minutes or. So you've got the gas. You got the band or you've got the different segments. And then there's the Doboy double. If you're a member of the patriotic side still boys, you're thinking, oh, this is not Doboy. I wish it was a dream. God that would be amazing to be under. What's anyway? But he said a honestly thought I did a great job on the show. I don't know. Why haven't been back? I I get it. Nicole is available. Sure. She's fun. She's great. Never. She is. Can she does the show? Amy. Do you want to do a podcast? The Nicole buyer is pitcher she's a delight you'll ever enjoy much better than Jesse. Yeah. Well, you know, can't be everything. So you can't sing the music man and be delightful. That's true. I'm not saying you're not delightful. Will I think I think jesse's what we call a single threat? And I got about a half threat by single thread is talk singing. Yeah. A little bit of a threat. I'm a regular Rex Harrison. Good suspender hook when you said that you so he checks my ideas, I've listened to your podcast every day, which which was the thrill to hear. I mean that's confused by it, but also thrilled. And then he said, hey, I also love NewsRadio. I love to get all kinds of you point. Sure, your podcast is a real experience. Joe Rogan said a first round on me, which was a thrill. I mean that is rates. Wow. And I hope I'm not getting him in trouble with Dave and Buster's corporate by saying that I don't know if he was. You know allowed to do that. If that's part of the I can help with this. Dave does listen a few weeks ago? Buster kind of sent me a really mean Email. We said something that I've sat him. Yeah. You don't wanna piss off BUSTER about BWI three. Yeah. And. He said all he listens to now. It's never not funny. Well. You like stop podcasting yourself because they're nicer than we are. That's true Canadian. And then he in the first round on me. And then he's like, you know, I I was thinking I was going to run into you here. And I am I that predictable. My that predictable. Do. I like to think of myself as an enigma. You don't know whether I'm coming or going. Anyway, you must've left a lot of clues. I'm listening. Yes. Dropped he got together. A crack team of our nation's greatest scientists and cracked your code keys. Right. I imagine he has a you know, he has a bulletin board in his room with red string tight various newspaper articles this way that way up. See Dow do I run into Jordan? He thought work at Dave and Buster's and sure enough. I mean, you never talked about Dave and busters on the show before. I think I have actually have you. Yeah. I don't really pay attention. You get Nicole in here with the fire. Go pyre replacing everyone that is a really beautiful experience was experience despite despite it being spite mean, not feeling like as much of an enigma as I thought I was because I assumed I was one. But yeah, it was really really nice when we have a shadow to Alex, thanks for that cocktail. It was great. I had a lovely time at the Hollywood and Highland. Did what was your drink tequila and club soda? Nice. You know, it's kind of a romance drink eat, right. Yes. Right. Just a just a masculine dude hanging out at David investors to real straight. Right. But in yet refreshing, my dad, drank it, my Granddad drinking tequila Spitzer like I should call it a sprint lighten it up. A little do you ever regular drink? What are you? What's your? I like Campari and soda which could not be more of a ladies drink. Yeah. But I met her now, I think I think a lot of like international gents like Campari like a well-traveled Gent. It's an appeared Tif. Yeah. Sure. When you ordered your tequila in soda what shelf. Did he go to? Just. Rail. Yeah. Hey, alex. Fuck you. I know it told the nice store. Hey Gabba about how about middle shelf. How at George Clooney's tequila. No. Wiki? Look, you please turtle entourage equa- Renta tequila multiple celebrity to kilos he could afford. But he chose Alex claims that he listens. Yeah. We'll see. We'll see about that. I had a really nice experience with a fan. Oh, yeah. Totally to tell probably a lot of our listeners. Don't know. But when I'm not working at maximum fine. I have a job as a private detective. I have just real quick today. Right. God that's a Coen brothers movie coming up, you know, it hold on. Just real quick. Is this story real? Okay. Go ahead. Yeah. So I worked downtown in an office as a private detective. And who sings it was it was the golden hour, and I had the shades. I have like louvred shades, you know, like Venetian blinds or whatever on my on, my windows, and I had them open somewhat. So little some light in. But also there were shadows. And honestly when I do that it gets hot. And so I went ahead and turn on the ceiling fan. Boy. Oh boy. Is that where you were going the whole time? I guess. Cool here called on. I had a great experience with the fan. The the other day. Okay. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, I wanted to watch a lesser Robert deniro movie. Sure. Yeah. So. Yeah. Borodino and Wesley Snipes in that one. Yeah. I think Wesley Snipes wasn't that. I feel like the only thing I've never seen the movie, but I remember being excited because I think Robert deniro war. San Francisco Giants had in that movie. Oh, and that was like just as with you know, how I married an axe murderer or something little shot of your hometown. Sure. You get a real thrill out of this light real slice of life. I mean, it's not a rail tequila level thrill now, but there's this show. This is before your time, but a show TV show called Mannix that I remember watching as a kid in late sixties early seventies detective private detective, and there was a shot of him running down the street a block away, and I was so unreasonably excited block where I live. This is the streets. And so exciting where was it? What what part of town. It's in Los villas. Okay. But also, the idea of television shows shooting in Las villas seem I don't know why that seems ridiculous. But we've been watching a lot of a lot of those early seventies. Like cannon is is one. Okay. And it's just this boy the standards the the locations or so junkie feel like they just like pulled, you know, like drove around and pulled to the side of the street and was like, I guess this'll do like it just seemed so wildly unplanned. This shows good. No. The man I remember loving Mexican. And it's it's terrible. The writing is terrible. It's it's worse than it. Like if we just came up with with a plot right now and transcribed. Just exactly what I came to our minds in terms of dialogue. It would be like thousand presents better a mutant with an adamantine skeleton has to unload a bunch of a musical instruments on another respecting town off the top. That already is is better. But also just like the dialogue of so weirdly, still like it was almost like you have to try to make it not flow. It was real. It's really kind of amazing cannon is slightly better. But it's Lucas, it's all like parking lot parking lots and it's shot at night. And there's no light. So this is like murky shapes poor whenever I would like encounter a seventies rerun. As a kid chips. I think my mom likes ships rerun. I think she might ever watch. She might have had an Eric Estrada thing. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's usually the cause of jobs. I saw Estrada one time here in Los Angeles that go very, shiny, man. Yeah. Chinese rining sweating at a shine on him. No, natural the natural oil. Yeah. Like a seal he was healed up characterize him as taught. Not muscular, but talk good. Time off of gone flinging diamond Estrada, guess a light translucence, right? Yeah. I always remember as a kid being upset watching a seventies rerun by how Brown everything was so Brown much Brown. Everything is Brennan seventies Brown. It's from things were orange and others avocado. Green true, mostly was Brown Brown. And. Yeah, let let if things that were very close to Brown. Well, my dad's car when I was like Afghans going to say ten to fourteen he inherited it from a friend who died. It was a seventy seven Nova. It was metallic Brown. Oh, yeah. Give it a little Jewish. Yeah. Exactly. That brown. Brown the Brown Brown, baby. So you don't want a flat. It's actually a line in my personal ad for somebody to shows the Brown. Know what I mean? It's really really hot in here. I'm going to remove my sweater. Let's take a quick break. So maybe man can remove her sweater. We'll be back in just a second under Jessica. One. Jordan, Jesse go. I'm Jesse thorn off that fatty Jordan Moore's boy detective, Amen, nickname Lewis, come on name. The naked mean that could be the name of the hardboiled singing detective, Nick nameless. Jordan nameless punch punch. Why do we bring these dignified people onto our show? These people with a sense of self. Yeah. Keep fair bags in here. Dance dance Fairbanks. Hints into him in an alley. We wanna hear you bumble. Yeah. Did you integrate Fairbanks now? Yeah, we were both in tallied walk it at each other. The Dow was great he lives near there. Like in the dumpster. He lives in a house now. Anyway, it was really fun. Same day. I met Alex the guy who gave me the drink at Dave and Buster's elevate hot. It was great. Great. Why fest drinking in wandering the alley? I have a question for you. Okay. It is. So you're a you're a music icon. Thank you. You're not. You're not. Your fame has more depth than breadth. You are deeply meaningful to many people. But you are not very slightly meaningful to spike in billion, right? Take like, I know cameras into the ground. She was she kept super cool about it. But Jennifer marmer, the producer of judge John Hodgman when Amy came on came on judge John hodgman's live show here in Los Angeles. I could see anytime. Jen had finished talking to Amy and then walked far enough away that Amy couldn't see her anymore. She was basically doing like a. Because I think she had so admires Amy, man. I will be doing it at the car all the way home. I do. Thank you for your exaggerated response. I'll be doing the same thing. Dude is flattering. I appreciate it except your flatter. However, I think that is certainly I'm sure I'm sure it can be burdensome at times, but it's a nice kind of fame. And I wonder what the best thing you've ever gotten was and what kind of drink. It was at Dave and Buster's. For free gotten a ton of free things. Let me think about it during the course of this of this evening, maybe could be a homemade if I don't know if anybody's Sony likeness into a pillow, there was a there's a placement that someone painted a picture of of a cat that I sang about goose I have a song called goose no cone, and it's it was essentially about a cat, and they painted a place mat, which is like so bizarre that it was awesome. I don't know. I didn't know that song about a cat. It was kind of inspired by a cat. Just totally miss. It was actually about being it is not obvious. And it requires explanation. Every time I play which is just you know, makes me feel like an idiot. My radar is up for cat contact. So I'm like I've listened to that so many times I didn't get the. It's not it's not it's not obvious. It was so I was in. I was on tour. I was in Ireland. It was very cold and snowy, and it was one of the like I was feeling homesick and kind of depressed until I started writing the song. But I was also kind of at the same time looking on Instagram, and there is a cat who's who's owners? I follow the cat's name is goose. And it was a picture of for looking like little snow cone because she has had a cone like a white face in a cone on. Stitches or something? Yeah. So it was just like a sad. Nieto's like one of those like meow. Thanks. So I was using this phrase goose snow cone, kind of as a placeholder accept it. Just like it. I don't like it made sense because it was snowy, and like, I don't like it made sense of my mind. And I was like I'm going to replace this because I don't have to explain to retirement put song. And then of course, I say this exact story like, Yup. I don't have to explain it. But I'm going to hurt is. Yeah. So I never I never replaced it. I just couldn't come up with anything that made sense. And I was like fuck it. It's fine. I like it more. Now, Jordan has Jordan has certain standards sort of like how in Canada and the radio you have to play twenty percent Canadian. Yes. Uh-huh. Or whatever in Jordan's car. It's twenty percent of what they call cat. Con can't really take on basically. I just have to play that one. I told her I approve this. And I will write a song. I will. Right. A complete old cat an all cats on just for you. Buckling. Absolutely. Wow. I'll do it my life. It's complete. Would you like to give me the specs for your your cat? Like, what kind of cats on would you? What's your ideal cats? Oh my gosh. Wow. Can I get you some new? Describe your ideal hat. No, my ideal. Well, I would like to be about my cat. That would be nice. What's your cat's name? He was bug bug. And she's nice. She likes to sleep Shays the laser pointer it, no. And yes, she'd never gotten much into laser pointers, a rubber bands that she enjoys this is this is she's just got her own thing. Like, every cat says the laser pointer. It's rare cat will chase a rubber band. Yeah. Yes. Stands out of the pack. Right. Very hacked. She's very unique. Yes. So, you know, she likes to get a hug she she'll stand on the coffee. We got bug and hug already. We got like a rhyme scale wrenches. Rubberband? We have many things. We'll figure that's an easy one. Zone dot com. Could just go all bug hug drugs. Not now. Yeah. So rug cure. Ugh. About making coffee will you have to kind of weaker than you'd like right Cup of coffee of the cure rug. Yes. Yes. Personalized cats on just for you. Thank you. That would be amazing. Yeah. Put it in the hopper. Thanks. Yeah. That's what they call the Arctic process. Jordan. Podcasts. Right. We just processed a cat song. It is max fund drive time. All right. Let's max fun- fund drive. It maximum fun dot org. All of our shows are supported by you, the audience a little bit of our money. A little bit of our money comes from advertising, we have a couple of other things that a little bit of our money comes from. But especially for a show like Jordan, Jesse go almost all of our funding comes from you directly from you who are listening right now, all of the thousands of people who become maximum fund members and elect to support Jordan Jesse go. Yeah. Can I can I bring it back to Alex Dave and busters for a second? Yeah. Please do Alex bought around a drinks right to stand up, dude. Of course, be better believe I lifted tip. Oh, yeah. You. No piker. No. But so I I would like to encourage the listener to think about the pledge drive. You know, if you're not somebody who donates to NPR PBS or something maybe the donation concept can be a little hard to get your brain around. And I like to think about it like, this don't don't don't think of it as, you know, paying for something free. Think about it as a just just given a tip to somebody who's providing something you like, I think, you know, if you're out there, and you're listening, you probably don't think twice about drone down a tip for a bartender. Throwing something throwing something to the barista. Maybe they got a cute either. Or thing they're doing with the tips marvel or DC, I don't know those are fun. So, you know. Yeah. If you if you tip those people if you will over in and the music man right there the same guy at the same guy now. Yeah. If you if you if you're out there, and you're in your Tipper, and you should be. Yeah. Just think of this is throwing your favorite podcasters, you know, a bucket show if you wanna make it more than a bucket show. That's great. But a bucket show goes a long long way, you're getting hardy drink to hardy drink. Yes of podcast to filling potent drinks podcast. Yes, toes the tip out. There was a free drink. He just got and I love, and I love talking about it in this in these terms because you know, I think it does help people kind of kind of wrap their brain around it. And also when I make this analogy, I get to hear from the beautiful people of the I don't tip community. I love all your so far. I love you. And I love hearing from you at this time of year. You're so logical data system, Jordan. Yeah. Anyway, I do not want to hear from you. And they just finished the fountainhead finished the Fouts. Ed, they want me to at puberty by. This texted you a spreadsheet they made Amy. Yeah. Or podcast, the art of the process it unlike the show, which is a goof around stuff goes into it you and Ted kind of record. You're kind of bicoastal. You know, you have guests whom you research in order to talk about the process, Ted sits there and edits the show himself toes is a literal riots scar. No, he's unbelievable he. Yeah. He added himself. And and he's you know, he's got a good ear. He's great at it. But I'm I've been interested in this. I'll tell you when I got interested in unless we are still talking about. No, let's yeah. We're talking about podcasts. I did a thing. Okay. This requires me to brags. I'm just gonna get that over with do it. I was asked to in the to do a poetry thing at the death poetry jam the after Saturday Night Live at the Obama White House. That's the good White House. And that was the good one. And that was just it was so awesome. And I don't really know why was including the poetry thing. But God bless them. And so there was you know, poets and there there were a couple of other music musicians. But but I got to sort of see these poets not only performed, but there was a seminar that they did in the afternoon for high school poetry students are English students, and they answer questions and the PLO Billy Collins was he spoke particularly eloquently about he was asked about not really about process. But he somebody said, you know, how do you find your own voice in in poetry? And he said study the form because people who are interested in poetry will will come for the form. And if you perfect the form and inhabit the form your voice will emerge, and I just thought that there was. Something. So interesting about that, you know that. Because I, you know, people think that that an art form is about like, oh, I gotta have something to say like, no, you you have it's more. Like, you have to have something to do have already. Like, I have a no Pat here in just hearing those words from the former poet laureate of the United States. I've already got a line there. Once was a man from name. Oh. Studying the form. Okay. Mature. Damn it. That's the only rhyme. I meant to sit in. So. Yeah. So you guys interview creative people about how they put their thing to get out their process because what I'm interested in is not the sort of, you know, moments of inspiration because like who can control that. But I feel like there is, you know, they're like practical things that people do that that that bring you to the creative, you know, like being being organized, and how do you practice, and what what initially influenced you, what would you imitate? And how did those things that you imitated how that end up merging into what you do. Now. I feel like you your relationship with Ted in part is a is grows from process that like the two of you were like, hey, we should try writing songs together. Yeah. And see if that's anything. Yeah. Yeah. And then was really interesting because it was we both had to write in tow. An. Different kind of way, you know, it is really interesting to collaborate with somebody that you're you know, when you're used to just doing it on your own have to tell me, Jordan. I mean Jordan's been working within the coal buyer. Maze. Ing. Yeah. Amazing show coming out recalled the both. And I think people really like it. Here's the thing. Seventy Jordan somebody the other day. Yes. I did. Because it's a max von drive. I did a livestream on Facebook. And somebody asked me, hey, do advertisers ever not advertise on Jordan Jesse go because they don't get it. And the answer to that question is mostly advertisers. Don't advertise Jordan Jesse go because we don't have enough listeners. But yes, the answer to that is. Yes. But there's also a second answer to that. And I was glad they asked that question, which is when you are making media that is primarily supported by advertising. Your job is to create an environment that is conducive to sales. And that is at the end of the day. Bottom line. No matter how far. Are you are separated from the advertising sales team or whatever how many firewalls? There are your goal is. And always will be to do stuff that puts people in the mood to be receptive to advertising and that for that advertising to convert them to buy something. And I think that's fine. And it works great for some things of for a show like Amy show or for a show like our show. I'm very grateful that we have a different model like when we have advertisers on the show, and we've had some really great advertisers on the show. I'm always grateful for that. But we know that we are not relying on them. We ultimately our end consumer is the end consumer the audience is who pays for this show? And that's why I'm very grateful that we can do shows like we do because of people who become members of maximum fun. Yeah. Totally am. I mean. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of reasons people do podcasts. These days, you know, they're, you know, it's it's kind of a it's kind of a hot medium, you know, it can be turned into TV and books and things like that. Which which is very cool. If that happens to a show that will never happen to this show. Yes. So basically the only old format overseas. Yeah. There's Jordan Jesse go. But everything has an loud over it. Yeah. Scandinavia? I don't know if that's where much or from probably not. It's like your dirty beat the beauty power but plug. Yeah. That's that's our show in Scandinavia. But yeah. Because this this show has gone on for as long as it does because people support it because people go to maximum fun dot org slash donate. It's yeah. It's it's the reason we do this like we, you know, show up and do the show it is not helping our careers. It is actively hurting actively her. But enough people go to that website. And, you know, throw us a couple of bucks every month because they like the show and they want him to keep coming and. Yeah. 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We stopped down our first segment because Amy hot and take off her sweater. Yeah. It's very fun poodles poodle Cois headed so this wetter because it's a poodle with like, human hair and eyes. And it's way weirdly disturbing. Yeah. Kind of it. It definitely is delightful and upsetting at the same time. If you were watching the livestream. You could see but sorry, it's why you got to them holding it up to computer. Yeah. It is. Yes, it has an uncanny valley type appeal, but also repulsion. Yeah. Those are humanize, and it's got kind of a mullet, but and with soft the sweater underneath a sweater owl t shirts, so many animal layers. It's probably a pun says never sleep on it. That's not a pun. Does. It say I'll be seeing you. That's just I'm telling you that's to to make it three Jordan that could be that could be your new nickname, Amy to puns, man. Jordan. I don't know. I don't know if you notice this. It's very hot in here. That's why Amy took off that sweater. I don't know if you noticed, but I've kept my second layer on. Yes. Wearing a blue banded collared shirt. And then over it. I'm wearing what Amy when she arrived described as syrupy. Yeah. But because I've never heard the term that you used. What did I use? I call it a poncho drug a drug rutta drug. I don't think you will. You're wearing a drug. Okay. Like, it's made of linen. I feel like it needs to be a heavier. We act kind of I mean at seventy had some qualities. But I think the thing the thing we're specifically talking about with drugs is a it is the shape of a hoodie. Okay. But it has that blanket quality. I think it's called a Bah. I think the official the name is a Baja fresh. Yeah. So I wore this today is for your benefit Amy and for the benefit of our of our listeners who aren't who don't pay attention while the show is on. This actually mostly white noise to put babies to sleep. While from crown. This is good. Audience. I like it just a Sally just said her first word. It was throw. I do not teach your kids to talk with this. We have had a l-. We've we've kind of initiated a series of challenges here on Jordan. Jessica. It started with what was the first thing ending jeopardy. Contestants was jeopardy contestants. We learned that. We had a stunning volume of jeopardy contestants on the program. Then we asked whether there were more jeopardy contestants or people who owned real fezzes. No costume store. Bullshit. It turns out that one of the doctor who's wears a fess. So phase one walking away. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Completely bitten. Yeah. I have really. Where'd you get your feds probably some thrift store somewhere? See she. But my husband is a cool gen-x it. So that's what I was saying cool gen Xers and actual north African people were the two categories that I hear what you're saying. Your husband. My husband collects knights Templar stuff. So he has has with like knights Templar insignia and plumes where like like the Tri corner or whatever like assure holy excitement. Try co-ord-. Yeah. Where did that hobby start? You know, I think there's a certain point in your thirties where you just collect like you land on a thing and finished. And then you collect some other things he like if you know him it's makes a lot of sense, he quits masonic stuff, and I think he's like out of his collecting phase. And now we're just like desperately trying to get rid of the. Backlog of junk, we does it does it invade this the knights Templar stuff invade the house where we did it just bunch of construction on the house, so everything packed away. And so I'm I'm not going to mention those hats and hopefully. In a box child rearing. So at this point anyway fezzes back defenses, you have one do you wear it out? No, it's nowhere. It's not aware. It's not a weird type of thing wouldn't wear that you wouldn't wear that to show. Get up there on stage. Looking looking sharp display only it would be a skew? You know looks good in a fezzet alone. Along gates the head in a way that is not flattering drawn angle. So Ryan sunny D Brian Fernandez. Our producer has his has his microphone over there. Brian what is this week's competition because fezzes so thoroughly destroyed drug runs which were the the next one of these. So this week we're talking bowling shoes. People who've learned bowling shoes outside of a bowling alley. And I I want to say that the the drug people apropos of their style really came in strong in the second. They forgot to call people were like, I finally got my shit together and called all man, I space. Yeah. Honestly, there were a couple of those. Okay. So we got twelve drugs this week, which is one third of what we got last. Okay. Doesn't doesn't bring it up defense level a little higher than we thought little higher? Okay. And beat fezzes on the fed sick second week of fezzes trying to beat fezzes. Now, we are trying to beat. Right. As of right now with we did get a couple more fezzes this week. So Amy is actually are one hundred fifty. Congratulate me this is huge for Dr. So this week was bowling shoes. And bowling shoes brought the heat. Okay. Almost all stolen. Okay. And a couple bought from like a rummage sale at a church. Okay. Sixty seven bowling shoe people. Show very strong. I thought it was going to be phys week was eighty five. So it was it was it was close. I came very close to buying bowling shoes. During the peak of bowling shoes, which I would put it. What would you say ninety seven that sounds about right? There was an eighties bowling shoe run to the thirty six around. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you gotta figure like the sparks wore bowling shoes at some point share. Yeah. And then. Yeah. Like, maybe at some point Logan, Paul will start wearing them. And then a new generation of kids. It's a shoe you think you look at it. And you're like, it's kinda style, and it's sort of already, but like none and a typical way. And then you put it on your like either goes with nothing. A lot of people talked about wearing the scarf shows. Like, it would be a good skanky. You have a big skanky audience. I think so. Yeah, I think I think probably a big part of our audience was probably involved in some way in the third wave. Scott revival. Maybe even the second wave Scott revive over talking about say people would you say somebody from madness listening to this show right now? I would hope so fingers crossed. Yeah. Come on a special shirt. Are you actually ended? My second wife Scott now, are you Dave Wakeling our talking now, we're aiming have you ever had only shoes? I think I'm sure I did. But because I do recall that that like I liked them. And then I could never make them work with any kind like, they don't really go with just jeans, and it just it was very it's a hard sell. It was something I did in high school in my I'm going to be a high school goof-ball period. Yes. And I definitely I also had like the thrift store bowl. Alling shirt with like somebody else's name. And I carry my books in a bowling bag while so I re- bowling for like, that's was your thing. Like a couple months. Yeah. That is very funny. I'm going to pitch you guys something. Okay. Here we go. And I want I don't be afraid to be harsh because I need constructive feedback. This okay. But my first thought is I wanna get away from clothing items. And I have so many naturalists listening. Yeah. People don't even wear clothes. I am thinking and this is a first traffic. So don't don't tear me apart. But I do need your Frank opinion. How many people have been in a submarine being in a submarine worse zero. Yeah. Well, Jameh Hamrin listened. So well, let's people own a summary. I mean, unless you're talking about the Disneyland submarine, and what about like a submarine in like, San Diego, or whatever no-one that you go on a tour of San Diego submarine. I've definitely been on a tour of a submarine really in San Diego was might have been in San Diego might have been somewhere else. But I've definitely been on a submarine. A why what about a submarine what you have been sand with have you been inside a giant saying, maybe four sexual reasons? Sandwich. Fetish? What about aboard a naval vessel? That's probably pretty good. That's probably why did you go on a submarine though to going to her? Let's just labor when we did a show on a battleship. Yeah. There submarines like that. You got to go on a submarine. And what was I doing? I don't know. We weren't married at the time. We were out of. Oh, man. Fucking all kinds of other people probably often the co by or somewhere. Yeah. That's true. Couple of people in the chatter confirming they've been on a sub really that's already more than I would have thought. So it's like, you know, when you go to Hawaii, I know you could take a helicopter up. Yeah. This is that but underwater so just a guy owns a summer drive you around. No, you don't get to go around in it. It's like it's whore of docked old submarine submarine from World War Two I, but that limits you to people who live in port towns, right? Kotal by Texas real coastal by. I just feel like the submarine is a very if you're trying to get your numbers up. We are trying to be I think it's a good trying to beat bullying and fezzes. Does anything come to mind immediately? Amy. Do you have something that's rare? But maybe not so rare. It's you're looking for real sweet spot. We are looking for a sweet spot because you, you know, I mean, there's all sorts of ways you could beat Fez's. But that's true. Yeah. I mean, how many people have listened to dumb fucking podcast. Destroy with that would destroy. Let's see how many okay, how many people have been in a cover band. You think that's going to be more than they've been in the summer? Yes. Yeah. But we're talking about a cover band is John a show where they got paid. I don't know. Maybe. Start getting paid and beer. I'm talking about free drinks drinks, calf Friedrich. Yeah. They have you know, you played the fit your family reunion, just talking about that counts. If you play a family event. I'm yeah. Band that has played in front of people. Yeah. Like, a wedding counts. Leading counts house party doesn't count unless you get paid though. Oh, that's what have you in the movie people have been in bands. You get many. Okay. So either you got paid to do the house party. Or if it's in a club, free drinks counts. But free drinks at a house party does not count all drinks at a house party or basically a rehearsal with your dumb friends. Okay. But if you got paid a house party is a house concert. I accept your strictures. Yeah. I okay. I think even with that even with that week because I think we have a lot of musicians. Yeah. I think we have a lot of creative people right creatives. We call them. Creatives who make contact? Hey, love con. Love critic did just wrote a musical about Pringles. Really cool. That's gonna do it live on Facebook since really good shit. I would watch that contact from it. Pretty good content. Do we do what we wanna go over your with your? I like this. I've Jordan because I feel like I'm ready to be like to play his show. Yeah. To play an instrument. Well, enough that you're playing in a band, you're rehearsing entire set of material. That's not that easy. Taking on both of you. This is a tripartite fight. Okay. This is the three way a threat if you will I will not thank you continue. You'll never recapture. Are you upping the I've got I've got I've got have been in a submarine. Wait. What what I've got have been in a submarine. You you I don't understand. What are you guys have banned? He played a gig in a submarine. I think is what he's saying. Oh, cool band. On the sex in there. Got. The click track was weird. It was more of a ping ping track. Oh, that's the sonar. Probably the Sono. Are we doing are we doing some marine and cover band? We're seeing what wins next week. We're going to head. We're gonna win win man and more remember cover band. You have to have been paid. Okay. Okay. I I've tickets Countess payment. But only if you would otherwise pay for the drinks, you're you have to play in a public place, or if it's for friends and family, you have to have gotten paid. So like talent shows the rules for friends and family, you have to have gotten paid. What about like a battle of the bands type situation you have to have one. So that you got one. All right won or placed. Okay. You know, you have to have earned money from the show if you lost, and you've got went home and nothing, but you're still in a band, even if you. Yeah. Viewing. I'm saying it doesn't count call summary saying it has to go somewhere. Fine. Mine is how many people have been in a fucking boat. You you were constricting art to that. Which gets hey. Yeah. Well, you're constricting submarines to that. Which is not at Disneyland. Yes. That's right. It's true question about what he brought up that. There's a submarine enemies in Chicago that does it's not in the water count sit to that have -solutely one hundred percent counts. But dry up the ones. So so his sex act. So once landed up just a dry sub the ones that Disneyland don't count. Okay. I'm a dry sub looking for a wet Dom. And there's probably it. There's probably wanna DisneyWorld. Yeah. It to count. If it's a theme park. It can't be on like they can't be on like a track Jesse an actual meals had to be in use at some point. There's some sort of military or exploratory mission. Yeah. That's been on a mission. Let's say that. Yeah. And this is only only cover bands, not regular bands. Of course, not regular Bank. All right, you're doing and I'm not talking about a mix of originals and company originals just ruled in cover band cummerbunds originals. They play the hits of the eighties. Disag- you throw in a couple of originals primarily be known for your cover maximum to originally if you are my very first of the gimme gimme outs. You must provide your list. Yeah. Right. The set class rules set list must be provided. I think we're gonna have a great horse race here. I think this is going to be very exciting JJ, go at maximum fund dot org. We've already confused everybody on the cover band rules. The rules are simple. You have to have gotten paid either through drinks that would otherwise cost money or happy money or. Yes. No. We're joy to creative. Fulfillment. Camaraderie, away filled yourself. I have something I'd like to address with our friend, Amy, man. Yes. Oh boy. Amy came on the judge, John Hodgman, podcast and. Sister show here at maximum dot org and declared that the worst song of all time we go come on. I lean it's pretty bad by Dexia midnight runners, which is a fucking awesome song like too. Bull. Now, I happen to go rampant. He do that. No, you're making your cat. I don't know. I don't know. What that Ted Leo? Just this last week at a midnight runners band stewed over this Jordan, I feel betrayed. No. Because he probably improved it. And he looks good in overalls. Overall, I stood over it for six weeks from when we recorded to win the episode was released when the episode was released in combination of venting and self promotion, I mentioned that Amy had denigrated this song one of my favorite songs, and that I had been stewing over it for six weeks, which was true because obviously. While I am a professional culture critic. I I have no claim to authority relative to Aimee Mann, miss subject. And so I felt backed into a corner. Was that was it appropriate for me to take that public? Maybe not. I don't know. You know, it's hard to say, but I had big feelings as they say and I needed to get them out. A lot of people are on your side, someone immediately said there's only one person who can decide this at Ted, Leo. Ted, Leo immediately. Replied, I'm playing in a cover band this weekend? That was pretty great not to Ted could call in and be a point four cover best. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Cover bands, two zero six nine eight four four fund or JJ, go at maximum dot org. People who have been in submarines JJ, go at maximum fun dot org. Two zero six nine eight four four fun. We'll be back in just a second Jordan. Jessica. It's Jordan Jesse go. I'm Jesse thorn, America's radio Sweden. Moore's boy detective, Amy men nickname Lous so far thus far Amy Manns in here. This is our woman who can take off one hip layer. And all it does is highlight her handsome neckerchiefs shift. It's a nice shirt like a scarf. Hey, we talked about the pledge drive. Why you should donate morally? Yeah. Now here talking about the stu- stu-. Yeah. All right, P, director of the stuff this weekend. Check out the stuff. Great movie about yogurt. Check out. This is that the one that had our old co host jeans day dad is in the stuff. Yeah. Anyway. Hey, so for five bucks a month. If you go to maximum fund dot org slash donate. We you can get. And I think we confirm this on the last episode over two hundred hours of bonus content, including a we did all Q and A episode this this year with Sarah Morgan. Yeah. Coot and undefined you can hear the show that we recorded on MacArthur park lake and a paddle bone. And then we said, well, Brian cut that down as much as possible because it's hard to podcast on a pilot blowed. Amy, you guys recorded and episode of of your podcast that is specifically for donors tesla. What about that? It's a with rehabilitator. We also have we did a bonus content. We have a song that Ted. And I wrote and recorded we did it a while back, and we never released it called getting gray. So we just said let's let's toss it in for perk or the fund drive yet serious. Yeah. That is a very good perk. Yeah. Hot dang. Yeah. Let's not talk about any of the recipes. Yeah. I do love those those Manlio collaborations. We're the newbies. So we have to try harder. Yeah. That's true way. Five bucks a month bonus content. Any donor can get that at any time easy to do. But there's also some other some other good stuff. If you wanna give a little bit more at ten dollars a month. You get one of our enamel pins. There's one for every maximum fund program. Ours features destroy the west robot. And of course, our classic catchphrase Gluck Gluck Gluck, which is short for Gluck Gluck that high yellow sure is sorry. Amy. Oh, there's a there's a bubble pen this laser Deng on. Oh, it's so cool. Very cool. Is really cool. Yeah. And and if we hit our donation goal our membership goal of twenty five thousand new and upgrading donors. We will make those pins available to all ten dollar a month and up members for purchase with all. The proceeds going to charity. Hey, that's awesome. Yeah. Over one hundred thousand dollars doing that last year was absolutely incredible. Wow. So let's see four. What are we get for twenty bucks a month? We've got some there for twenty bucks a month ago. Yeah. We have his view t full custom puzzle. Designed by Geoffrey Thais. It features a loan podcast listener gazing out across the view from our office. It is the real view from our office made even more beautiful by Jeffrey, and I have gotten so much feedback specifically about how genuinely gorgeous this picture is. And and, you know, five hundred fifty. That's the perfect family project. Absolutely. For thirty five bucks a month. You get a beautiful glass coffee mug with the max von rocket logo. Plus, of course, the puzzle and the pin and own this content. All these are humulus mean to tell me that if you if you donate at a higher level, you get everything below that level as well. Yeah. For some reason you do. Fifty bucks a month? You get a medal in grave max fun membership card personalized with your name, and they are more levels. If you wanna go hire a lot of really cool stuff over one hundred bucks a month membership in the inner circle where you get a cool piece of pop culture of from a max fun host. I just actually pick something out for the inner circle members. I picked out a movie called soul power, which is a documentary of the concert that went along with the rumble in the jungle in Zaire in the nineteen seventies that features absolutely unbelievable performance from Celje crews and the all stars and totally gorgeous performance from Bill withers and a breathtaking stunning punched in the face of performance from a very moustachioed James Brown within enormous belt buckle on his jumpsuit that says G F O S for godfather of it is a. It is like what's great about. It is it's like right at the end of James brands, like nineteen seventy four something seventy five. It's like right at the end of his relevance. I mean, obviously, he will forever be relevant. But right at the end of his peak. But what's great about that? Is you get to enjoy the fact that he's a little husky and has a giant mustache. But you still get all the hits everything that you wish James round with play. He can play because he recalled like except for living in America. But like all of his songs are in the catalog by then, and it is just like a mind blowing performance. So yeah. Lots of good stuff. If you go to maximum, fun dot org slash donate. A quick word about the bonus content. One of the things you can listen to the Boko the Boko one of the things you can listen to in that donor feed is is a special one time only podcast that John Hodgman. And I recorded last year, it's called shooting the breeze B R E S, and it is uh talking about our time working in the cheese industry. Something we did. Well. Well, we actually both worked in cheese shot cynically, you both monger the past. Yes. Where a couple of former cheeser 's current crackers, coincidentally you also both played for the Green Bay Packers. Yeah. It was a lot of weird parallels with me and Hodgman. Yeah. I was a spokesman for coleco vision. Oh, wow. So we're basically the same guy. No. So kind of you know, that was a big hit of the bonus content. It's the one I hear about the most. And you know, we kind of looked at the outcry, and we're like, well, we said we were do this once, but it was so popular maybe we'll do it. Again. We said if we got twenty five hundred new Jordan, Jesse go subscribers would record another episode of shooting the breeze episode two maybe we would reach out to people who had cheese based last name's John Hodgman did some preliminary work trying to book a certain captain that everybody enjoys maybe she has a cat that was has the same name as one mentioned earlier in the show. And I think a lot of people have been excited about that prospect. And if we can't book, the captain, we will book to kneel we will deal get to kneel adhere to kneel Greer. So we've had a lot of great support this. Dr love hearing from the fans love people upgrading, you know, it's been successful. But as far as that goal of twenty five hundred for the new episode. We ain't even close. Really? Yeah. Not even close. It's sad. Maximum fun dot org slash donate. Live. We got this happen. I need to see your extra cheese material. Please bribe Amy of our extra cheese material. Need additional cheese material from you and Osmin? I well, I mean get out. I mean, like, let's just encourage people to get out there and maximum fun dot org slash donate. And just have a stronger showing this week. I don't know what to say. I mean, we're not going to do it for the heck of it. We need people to to get out there and support this thing she's thing. This might come right down to the wire, you're hosting a live streaming show at maximum dot org on Friday night Friday from four to six PM Pacific along with Helen Hong and dozens of max von owes including myself. And I think we might find out then whether we make that whether we make that goal. I don't know people just got to get out there. I'm excited about the drive. It's been going great. But this particular aspect could use a little work, you, you know, what I just saw our friend Elliot Kaelin, one of the hosts of the plop house, and our friend John Hodgman, host of judge. John Hodgman have made a packing. We hit our goal of twenty five thousand new and upgrading donors. They will make a donors only Minnie's. Series where they watch the seventies miniseries. I Claudius together. Wow. Yeah. That's the dream. That's how you motivate people is absolutely the dream. Yeah. I mean from here where well upstairs downstairs, aiming how many soldiers spy the BBC version. Amy how much of the how many donors are we have to get free to go through all of Mannix. Is rough ride. I will go through all of cannon all all on my own. Okay. Okay. Man watches cannon man on canon. What would it take for you to go through the rough riders cannon? So that would be like stopped role. What else would we would be a top? Big rough rough riders hit. Listen, I will write a song about your cat for. I don't know name name an amount. Chinese is anybody else? Besides the two of us want this cat's. No, I think the list. Listen, if you want this man's put the cats on the table, I want it you want it get out there. So let's say let's let's do this. Let's fly. We'll find a goal for this. And if we hit a certain amount of subscribers, we'll do the cat song. Yeah. I can all come in and do harmonies or gang vocal have a cat sewing by the end of the week. Great done. This is both this is both of our shows collaborating together. So I say let's make this the overall goal. Okay. If we're able to get twenty five thousand new. Upgrading max fun donors. Aimee Mann will write a song about Jordan's cat at record. Absolutely, okay. This is incredible here for thrill. It would be a thrill. This is a momentous occasion. Should we? I Jordan Jesse go. This is I go, and I was calling you and because of the police discussion. Because the Pali discussion, you know, on all your episodes. I thought maybe he had polyps. Know worried for the guy. No, he's probably poly-amorous. Okay. Yeah. Almost all of our listeners. We're pretty sure I've. At this point. Or poly-amorous aspirin. I am not technically in triple year. My boyfriend are probably though, and you total number of people in our public. You'll which is what you call like. The. Everybody who's dating everybody sweetie team. Thirteen. I'm only Christly dating one of them Lavoix prince dating out for I think. But yeah. Always a lot of people to play board games. Pretty cool. There are a lot of shared calendars. That seems to be the main thing. Who counters shared anyway love the show. What's that thing called like a bumble where you send somebody and they Mark their availability? I don't know if you're trying to have a meeting you send it to them, and they Mark their availability. Yeah. Sounds like they all live in one house. No. I don't think. So. I bet everybody hard. But this is boyfriend cohabitate. Yeah. I don't know if everybody in the Polly all lives in some sort of Polly crash pad. I'm glad that they use Google calendars. Because honestly before that I was imagining that thing with the with the Polaroid's in the cork board and the red yarn. Oh, right. Exactly. It was a magic everyone keeping track of it. Amy. How many how many listeners to the art of process? Do you think are poly-amorous God? I I don't know. It's I have not it's hard to speculate on our audience. Do we have an audience center? No Jesse would have to tell us that. Honestly, I haven't heard any other podcasts before really. Yeah. No. You should try them out there. Great for your commute. I don't know. I'm mostly in disturned. Sure. So he got XM Mahboob. Oh, you got us. You got us point thirteen that is a lot a lot a lot of dating. That's like when I think about like when I think about the act of dating, you know, it's not this isn't someone you like go, you know, you. You slip it on the late night. Right. Like this is like, oh, we go. We go to dinner. We, you know, and every other one you got to do something a little bit fun, so many golf, or, you know, oh, there's a there's a, you know skating race downtown outdoor movie sounds like a fulltime job. Yeah. It's a full-time job. A lot of teenage all these datings yet to be naive needs to be passionate about data too much. I think it's too much. What we're talking about a lot of energy. I don't think it's juggling. And I don't even juggle on there. It's all actual juggling. Around with clinic friend with four partners definitely knows how to juggle. He definitely knows how to juggle do juggling fool. Yeah. Boykin juggle. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, get you a man joke. Right. Do you think? Well, do you think? Wow. Do you think this is a clown? Polly huel. Dates in one little car. I don't know. Did he say where he was calling from? Did I hear Washington DC? Okay. Yeah. It was the southern accent's probably the deep south somewhere, maybe in at the deep south or maybe the show is out. That's Washington DC. All right enough of your political commentary there incendiary satirists and like Borowitz the Borowitz report or John steps from the capitol steps. Hey way. I I don't countenance these Greece, painted fools. All right. All right in our nation's enough enough enough scorching he satire these flap. Shooed Yoohoo, flip shoot. Yeah, clown. There's the come out maybe put down the seltzer bottle checkup a legislative fan to write legislation with who. Can I take off my t shirt? We should have brought more layers than to take on. I know if you have an altitude underneath we got one more call. Let's take one more call. Call. A Jordan GST, and I'm guessing aging, I guess, this is a momentous occasion. It was almost moment death. I just lit up my grill to fire up some brats that I had purchased and. Groping. Thank God on fire. White yelled out. Sure the grill out so at the grill and grabbed my dog and fucking rand and we're both alive. The fires thing wish. So but. Anyway. Hard rock in. What is it river, I suppose thinks but unfortunately, five members of his Pollock you'll. The explosion gotta brought in the eye, man. This happened one time when I was grilling with my dad and my dad had too many beans for lines. So okay. All right. All right world's largest source of natural gas. If you know what I do. I do know. Yeah. Do now we know we know. You know, we've been in this room with your dad before your dad have podcast together. Oh, wow. Go buyer drops by sometimes shit, everything. Good everything, you know, he's kind of honor. Scott Netflix show doing great. Yep. Real funny. A lot of energy tons of energy helps 'cause my dad is pretty teen. Favor over that. Now. I love you, dad. He's not listening. Nah doesn't care. Well, if you have something momentous happen to you two zero six nine eight four four fund is the number to call or Email us at JJ, go at maximum fun dot org. Send voice memo to send us a voice meme it, just send us a voice memo. And if you're not already a member of maximum, fun dot org. It's easy. Maximum fun dot org slash donate. Is where you go. And here's the thing. Jordan don't fuck around with this. No, don't please. Don't this is like a propane tank. Yeah. Fucker blow up in your fucking around. That's why you have that. Paulie Q? Yeah. Fuck around there around the cool here. Get up in that you'll get up killed guts. All right. Maximum fun dot org slash donate. Jordan. Jesse go. I'm Jesse thorn. America's radio sweetheart Morris boy detective, man, still nickname 'less. You man. Do you know what I play the piano, I play a little bit. I'm I'm trying to write songs on piano in. It's it's very frustrating. Because I I'm terrible at it. But I'm I'm sitting there hammer hammering away. If there was somebody who knew how to play piano, good enough to to be accompanist. And I would sing a song from the music man for donors allow we're getting donors a lot of cool stuff on this episode two. We know Frewin down yet throwing down would have to have in the studio, you'd have to have a piano. Are you saying if somebody comes to the livestream on Friday with the piano, you'll sing something from the music, man? Wait just like off the fucking dome with no practice while between now. And then. Yeah, you have time if a couple of days if they bring a piano to the livestream. Yeah. I'll do it. Okay. But a key keytar. Oh, yeah. Totally bring a keytar. Now, you have to have a key, please. We could probably do if we're looking to beat fez. We could probably has a keytar. Probably run away. B's those in your cover band, right anyway, I feel like you can't really play this song for the music man on the guitar mean. He's a gifted guitar. Absolutely. Would be weird. It'd be tough to arrange it for good. Tar keytar could be an interesting twist and could be Amy if you could if you got if you had to kill Hugh Jackman to be in one Broadway musical do you have one off the top of your head, assassins. Befitting? How fitting? I like my favorite musicals are cabaret and Chicago like musicals that start with c. And book of Mormon also was very good. Yeah. Bees close to see. It's very close very close. But it's none of them are murder -able. I think because I don't really have that urge to act sure there's a bit of acting and singing onstage. I don't know. I don't have the pipes. I I don't have the projection Jordan Amy gets hired to act even though she doesn't really want to that should be our career goal. You gotta say, yes. To stuff you gotta say, yes. Yeah. The dress see say to the dress being in the for sake show. You gotta say, yes. To that have to say, yes. And when Portland comes Colin anyway, these are the things you gotta say, yes. To one two three. Yes. Oh, I thought we were all going to say, yes. At the same time. Yeah. I was counting the number of things you have to say, yes. That we were all going in unison say yes to life to love to wine food. Look, I am. Look, I am Higham. Amy. Yes. The art of the process is now a maximum fun dot org. It is people should listen to it. They really should. I feel like you could get something out of it. We mentioned the rea- butcher bonus episode. Yes. That was a good one who else who'd who'd he got in the made feed there in the what are the main? Been some of your favorite guests who who who who we already had? Yes. Started my mind suddenly going his it's too hot in here. It's not working shoot is making me forget who's been on this show to my brain has to be chilled like a computer rock Obama valley. You call him berry. Of course, Nelson Mandela ghost. PD pie PD pie. He's good in everything creative process is really revelatory straight, right? Strange one. Yeah. Play Minecraft and have views. You and you intead are two of my favorite, creative people think, and the fact that you guys have a podcast talking about creativity is is a real thrill. I have to look at my list. I literally can't remember my mind has gone blank. Br Brian you can chime in who who have been some people on the show why it cynic Rebecca sugar. Dan Wilson looks like the most recent one no recall the Mariners catcher, Dan Wilson was in a semi sonic. And he also he's one of those guys who writes who is like a co writer like one of those like hit writer guys that, you know, artists are put with with him to write these gigantic hit songs with four courses in a row, and he has a really fantastic. Melody, and I've known him since we were in bands together in Boston like in the eighties. And I just always thought he was so good. And so head of his time. Told many originals did you play in the band. All right. Two or more always played originals. I'm not good enough to cover band. You have to that's like chop chops thing. He's good enough to chop got chop. So you plan to like a already punk band. You just literally do whatever kind of garbage you. And nobody's the wiser. That's why I liked it. Maximum fund dot org to get that podcast. Maximum fun dot org slash donate. Donate to all of the shows. So let's let's go over what what's been thrown down here. Twenty twenty five thousand new members Amy will write about my cat book twenty five hundred new Jordan, Jesse go subscribers Hodgman, and I will talk about cheese on a new episode of shooting the breeze. It's not looking good. But I believe in Jessica people right now, we'll come through. Look we put out a whole extra episode during the max fund drive, and it was a fucking good ones a banger that was fucking dope. Want? Somebody tweeted at me. This is this is just for people who only listen to Jordan Jesse go on Monday, and they haven't gone back to listen to the one we put out on Friday. But somebody tweeted me that it was the best live podcast episode ever. Yeah. No fucking shit. Tony hale. John Roderick great episode. Just for you on the mex- fund drive. Yeah. The livestream on Friday, right? Friday. Four to six PM for PM Pacific to six PM Pacific or seven pm eastern to ten PM eastern. You can find it at maximum fun dot org. It's going to be a hoot and a half. I don't want to interrupt. Your thing. John roderick. I guarantee you has been in a submarine. Yeah. There's no doubt. Right. John, john. Let us know one might live in one. I see your guarantee John Roderick. I guarantee you has never listened to a podcast. That's probably true. That sounds very much. Like, hey, hit us up on Twitter. If you're John Roderick Resto, if you've been in a submarine can text him right now, we find out what you please. Please techs John Roberts. This question answered find out if he's ever been in a submarine, God, we need to know the answer to this question. We got it. I mean, he certainly podcast about submarines on friendly. Fire. Oh, yeah. One would imagine. They've that's their favorite John. Ben Ben Harrison, I years before friendly fire even existed shared deep conversations about how by far the best Johner of movie is submarine. Sure. You five seven one you've even you five seven one seem Linus movie at best is a is a BB plus movie because it's in a submarine. Yeah. Very enjoyable film. Very enjoyable film. A good film in a submarine dos. Boot what are the all time greats? Okay. Dust boot. Well, let us know your favorite submarine. Up on Twitter Fehmi gets an answer to this Roderick shimmering question. Maybe we'll we'll we'll break back in and let you know the answer. But yeah, until then should we say good night. Yeah. Maximum fun dot org slash donate. 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Jesse go there and hit like joined the maximum fund group there and OSHA Jordan. We have one last announcement to me what you're pregnant. I was about to wrap this thing up, but we have one. Last announcement to me is it two thousand nineteen is the year of the summer boys of summer tour. That's right. We're going on tour. We're going on tour baby starting in June. That some point right? Yeah. We're going on tour in June. We're going to New York City. We're going to Washington DC. Oh, yeah. We're going to Portland Seattle. Austin Austin, Texas. We'll go into Chicago, Illinois. We're going to Minneapolis Minnesota, come check us out. It's going to be a lot of fun loss Angeles, California, Boston, Massachusetts the summer. Boys of summer are coming your way, America. This is our first tour in over a hundred years. Yes. That's right. Jordan is no longer has a lucrative and inflexible employment in the field of television. 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Exploring The Mortal Realms w. 2+ Tough

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Exploring The Mortal Realms w. 2+ Tough

"Get I folks. Welcome heat to a very exciting episode. Something that I'd like to be doing more and more more of And I thought there's no better way to keep these off and with a hoagie hero. A war hero the Lower Mazda himself a man of many armies most that exceed quits. Them doesn't need any introduction. It is dog from two plus. Tough how are you good sir? Hey everybody I'm doing really well. Thanks for having me. It's an honor and a privilege. Sign my screen at some point And imagine that I've got that is like a memorable moment east. You want to do a better introduction to yourself the NAT botched attempt. I thought it was. Yeah I yeah so I'm Doug I have a channel call too tough on Youtube. We talk all about Mostly Games Workshop Games lower but dipping my toe in some of the stuff to Mostly most famously around Asia Sigmar started when most folks aged the game and didn't think there was lower and just kind of kept going for a number of years now very successful If you all watching is video and you haven't subscribed to doug yet do yourself a favor and hit that subscribe button eating secured so that some of the videos on I just seek my and in other games as well and at that point you just made was perfect in that. He's around the purpose of today in the focus. And he's very much to be around the lore of agency Borodino Doug Yourself you've probably in addressing similar situation where we're hearing a lot of things. Life is not a lot of Lauren Agency. Mom I'm a fantasy you know has all the Laura I seek Mars principles and bees. Or it's it's not as interesting bits. A lot has happened over the last few years. Right entering almost eighty five of agency Marta. What has happened so I thought this would be great discussion that we could have around the the well. Let's explore the well. Let me understand. Like if I'm coming back from an fantasy environ someone who's like low. I've just got I just apply. Auden read the books. How do I don't understand? The world is really what today for sure. Yeah that's a fantastic way to start and actually get frequently. What say is. There's two ways to approach it. You can either like try to go backwards in time and catch up with all the developments or you can just Canon ball into where we are now in the story and there's no real wrong answer to that one I have a a playlist on my channel. That directs if you go to my main channel it's literally says start here and this is just stuff to get you caught up with the main story ARC But as far as like your question as far as like where does someone start? I would definitely say if you want to start from the beginning The wrong gate wars was really cool series. That really fleshed out a lot of stuff. And then if you want to jump right in Seoul wars by Josh Reynolds is a killer book like just straight up. There's also books get through a bit more at resources in the area real good. Start in guys. If you'll google food is not that strong after show is over. I will link that linguist. Argosy costs can start getting across Having get studying the moral roles because Certainly if if if if it wasn't as robust losses full five years daily bites on literally nothing because each day it is a now is a great time to get involved whether it is With the stories that you make yourself or just getting a pot of the existing storage tanks gangs workshops in front of us for sure. Yeah IT'S A. It's a good time because we're kind of in this This is like good breeding period between chapters. The kind of Internet you guys ever watch like Dragon Ball Z. What the Hell is big sagas where it's like. This is the main arc for this year. Basically the next one so horse. So we're kind of in the middle of one of those which is awesome because it makes it really easy to onboard. Yeah so let's let's stop very high level let's imagine I'm getting into of Sigma or maybe I'm a fantasy player. Who is now thinking about dipping? My toes into the new world agency is that high level overview story like what is the agency ball wants at high level understanding. I need to get before cutting people. Yeah so the way I have explained to. People is that at the in the end times when there was a huge campaign for fantasy battles chaos one and what ages Sigmar is is fundamentally Fell last refugees remnants of light Of ANYTHING THAT'S NOT. Chaos pushing back The high level story is that Chaos came into the the moral rumours basically around for each wind of magic Games rejected a great video. Kind of explaining those and Chaos just swept through all of them. I mean it was just a wildfire and so all the guys went and retreated in one room zero which has a magic of heavens and where Sigmar himself lives and so the story arc is they come out of his ear with the with the point being to retake the realms back for the good guys One thing that is really interesting. Perspective is and it was in the slaves to darkness battle. Thome is that we're seeing his books. Come out for order. Army's good guys in there can tail and they're all amazing and then the perspective is from that we get from that battle to him like but those are just pinpricks of light in a sea of darkness like all intents and purposes chaos is still winning But the story is us just pushing back a little bit and so the first year of was a campaign series called the Rumgay wars which was the the re entry of the good guys back into all the other rooms and it was cool. That's awesome characters There is some cool stuff that frankly I didn't see fantasy battles do a lot and by that I mean. There's a specific character named tour gloves. Who's a Nergal leader who finds redemption and becomes a good guy and stuff like that like there's character development in in that kind of thing And then the the series that were kind of in right now It's called it. Goes by a few names but malign sorcery or soul or something like that It's not just good guys and bad guys fighting for the realms there's also two other factions there's destruction which is all ORCS and goblins and Ogres and all these things that just want to not have any masters so the hey chaos but they also hate the good guys because they wanna tell them how to live their lives and in their death which is a neighbor who just thinks that he should be in charge and so The current arc were in right now is So the first year was good guys bad guys order versus chaos and then second year is negative. Saying I don't want either of you in charge. And so he makes a power play has big implications on the realms. And so that's that's the current thing right now is death is ascendant And everybody else all the other three ones order cast destruction are all on the back foot trying to realize what nick ashes doing. It's interesting because you know when you start reading the stories in the early days of agency mile when everyone was fighting back against chaos. You probably imagine that Negoti the Lord of death would be on the side of chaos and try to fight you know seek Marin Alario an older different good guys will first of all it is or is not good. It's fascinating when you start reading stories. I'll never forget the story In those little little kind of seasonal campaign coaltiion. The malign portions are what's quit Laid a bit on that story where there was these two generic humans a free guilt generic humans. I think it was like a dad son at the age of fighting age. Nothing maybe it will. That was a bit sick and I remember to stay. You know they are trying to find a house labels against Being Notable Corruption Minute Avenue. Crossbow defending their little house and the storm came in. You'd imagine the stone costs would come in and help the humans you'd actually came in destroy the The the father and son because I had been cursed by Added in the minds of the storm cost getting rid of that disease. But if you go would you probably would've tried to save as many humans as possible. Nedal what they stance walls and I think for me. That was roundly. Storm Casa Good. It's just an eye of the beholder. Which Vincent in Charlotte hates by the way? I'M GONNA throw that out there all. He hates the moral Greg. Yeah this fascinating records. I did come from other fantasy days and the employer at least for me was good. I got the chaos at the top of the basemen trying to attach his leg off empires that lost Defenders are and if they break for the implants they're going to turn The wills have always good But it's really great now. Nick Ashby Guy at some justifications you probably looking at yeah you know what you can screwdriver little bits and sequels. Actually the bad guys. So it's it's I think. That's what makes the narrative surf fascinating and we all bring a different perception two rounds and yeah there's a lot There's a lot going on faction faction so like yeah. Order does not mean good. It basically means you are against chaos which is kind of unifying thing for some of these actions One thing I like is Actually talking to my friend shoe. Who's on rolling ones? You're talking about the different factions. Where on one end order on the other end chaos but then you have death and destruction and death is fundamentally it is an order faction if you think about it. It's just the new gashes order like it's just one mind who wants to have total from top down control domination and has his vision so it is ordered very structured. It's just you know. Single management whereas destruction as a grand alliance it does teeter towards the chaos side by throwing down kings and emperors and all kinds of stuff and being wild but they don't Wanna be dominated like chaos wants to dominate things. And so everyone kind of has these different shades of other factions. That are really really interesting. an how some of those individual armies play within. That is actually quite. It's it's awesome. It's just really cool stuff fascinating. I think that's why I wanted to these video. It's it's life it is rich entails You know if you all watching this live you watch it. Very early in many of us are spending time in the house right now so this is a good time to be going out and exploring the will you know enough about time in looking for stories. Pingyao an audio oak and there's a lot really understand that narrative. Okay that's that's the high level story we can kinda deep deep into a lot more of it and yeah that's great because because again you know I a lot of people who who asked me about the coming from total war and they want to understand of what is different like how how come out there are some similar characters and some of the very different So I guess the next question I wanted to ask was around He's like well. We've talked very deep breadth Stuff that happened. What's the Emol Stein's I might WANNA learn about As a generic human frigging player. Now one that was very important to me was something wall. Which was these slack. Global Fighting Narrative that we will participating and the The results full bomb dictated the narrative. And we actually got. What is now the cities of seek because off one and Ribald on clay? The clay the holds and build cities without chaos. Kind of stopping sir. That's just one stories. A Lot said what some of the other most beginning to know about we'll Piggybacking off that I want. They want to touch on is when we think of this season's of war campaign a lot of people are like. Oh this is like cities of Sigmar. Because it's the cities that were in that campaign which is true At the same time the however like the I think the clearest one to one result of that campaign was that zinc gained ascendancy because the idea was city our cities order was triumphant and because they stood the test of time instead of frontal assaults like corn. It was the insidious stuff that got into the cities from the bottom up and so it was actually In their battle told me it was it was the it was the kind of direct follow up to that campaign which was Super Ed As far as Seasons OF WAR. That was a big one. Because that's when Alario came back Her she came back in and then the campaign series started. Or You could use her. Which was awesome Beyond that they a other big ones me important was a huge one. Where basically negotiate power play that we talked about before where he didn't want to be owned by anybody was to build a giant black pyramid made out of like solidified death magic and he was basically? GonNa Kill Everyone. And then resurrect them under his will at once and so he would just have this instant amazing army and be able to fight. Chaos and push them back. 'cause demons wouldn't be affected and so that was his plan. It kind of backfired because Stephen Got Involved and it only kind of worked to where it didn't kill everybody but it did raise a bunch of Ghost cheese and Sambas and skeletons all over the rum's everywhere and so people who were like the furthest possible distance from the Gash still felt the effects of it air. It's kind of the unifying thing every battle. Tom Now has what nashes actions did to them specifically and that's kind of a cool narrative device dominance second. But that's how we got the night haunt that the entire army came up at once because nothing is not a full of that particular story. Naipaul didn't have battle time. They would just. They had like the spirit hose they had some generic unit. We had no characters no leaned that they brought out full models one unique model for a great allies. You know he had the the Funding Cave. Shaua and you had a lawyer or native storm costs. You know you had NOCCO Walk Wayne. Chaos mom and it was the NATA shrouds though. It was just awesome We've got to play through stories in campaigns and that was an under appreciated campaign book and has thrown out there. I think it was the coolest thing Because at the Times at there's so many factions did not have battles like it wasn't until the following year where Gw. I Dunno went on a cocaine bender and then pumped out every every CODEX FOR FORTY K. And every battle tone for Asia's segment but It is campaign book allowed armies that don't have a faction abilities to be able to do stuff like that which was really neat evaders mechanics about screen the future and how you can use. Did you ever play that one of my very close friends date? I am known him since a primary school. We've been playing war since then. He is a death in his little Odessa mate. He's at twenty thousand points the death He's been painting deaths in the nineties. We got to play some of those stories and it was really really cool to to play at the stories. It was the first introduction of a pseudo command point army but there's also very very interesting. A battle plans could play through joy. Quit if they still sell it anymore. But it's very very very good. It is it's it's Especially if if you WanNa have a fun weekend just have everyone bring like a grand alliance. Whatever army took whatever you want brings him fo cool models use that and you can also have cool abilities. One of my favorite I call it a favourite with an asterisk next to moments memorable moments in gaming is that we were playing that With going guys and I was playing at the time I use my. Destiny's is like a twelve inch charge turn one and then Jack made me roll it with one of those ports. So you have a soul-crushing so not only the note to six is in my destiny dice pool. Thanks sorry yeah now welfare coming. Yeah yeah this is. This is not the time to look for genes. Pity I suppose but armies ago for me so I don't really worry about you know you've had the floor you've had your malign Poyton obviously We almost coming out of the. Some soul was kind of narrative as well which has unlocked always amazing artifacts from alive. Slow Sirri. There's always stuff that's happened by unlocking the soul wasn't Mom feels like we kind of come out of that now. Always get Kaelin is now becoming the bad guys Nagai. She's taking a back seat. Maybe has to read these next approach. I I honestly I hope so because we spent maybe a year with like death being ascendant and it gets kind of repetitive. A little bit. Sometimes sometimes it does You know 'cause when he comes into an area everything's just dead baron and there's no life happening whatsoever so it's like well you can only describe bets times before like okay. Hd He's trying to take over the weekend of Gash we've had the report raw egg with Lynn Daren. Yea and now he's gotten really Super Cranky That seek mouthpiece stealing he's souls man he's now that's the guys on bring out the yacht. Bakaray is mind for the cost. And so must like. This doesn't work maybe a back step in rethink your plan Yeah actually that's Forbidden Power was another story. Beat that was really important. Where Basically after gashes failed spell it accidentally revealed the fact that Sigmar had like weapons in weapon caches in artifacts hidden everywhere and in one of them he had imprisoned the soul of WanNa gashes favorite generals so the Forbidden Power Story ARC is basically a military campaign led by the night haunt to go get him. They broke him out and then all of a sudden. That's when we got the awesome bone That's their leader is get gross and your so many so many stories he but I think you know just highlighting just some of the few lodge narratives that have happened and maintain a player as well. You know we started to see the bad moon rising and you know we started using. That was cool. That was my favorite army release. It was amazing right but the moon coniston tapping into slash mob Issue has been previously being bound and now kind of free at which is now leading into the release. And you know this in your morale has her early story about stealing some of the souls off more than her share the Elles. We've obviously got the kin so they're Going deeper and deeper as Story that you cannot look for sure. Then what's what's cool is a in all the battle tomes and the the main publications black. Labor has often throughout these little threads of lower that they circle back to later And it makes it really interesting because what they're doing a seeding the ground for like directions. They can go which is really great in. Its smart so they did the same thing for forty k. Forever ago doing same thing now shop that that's awesome so we've we've talked a little bit about the realm so united Shimon you've got Ghairat. You got this loss. There's a lot going on there and as of tonight. Seven a playable. So you all playing a ready. You've got malign sorcery neither there are artifacts instills sieff an off the eight realms and one is off limits. Esotique Mall where he lives. You very guaranteed community. It's Cuny's I know you love it. Falls are off limits your allergy best described the mortal realms as different particular on a planet's Abel's of energy so the way it's best describes games were trapped video their own with with Phil Kelly talking about. He's like their lead Lord nerd there and all around Avatar Doug so basically what? It is is If you're familiar with What Additional Dandy was were? There was like a disc brown earth. Yeah so it's like discworld plaguing the life three point five dainty okay so honestly it's the same idea where each realm represents a wind of magic They all have every buyum meaning. They're everyone of them has forests and snowy mountaintops in lakes in all kinds of stuff. But there are all kinds of perceived differently to those different iterations of what is a mountain. Look like in there on the fire. You know. It's not just lavin volcanoes kind of stuff so like I mentioned I for example in the room of Mitchell. Does that mean Sylvan. It's not end. I my my my reputation of that is maybe they metallic maybe initiatives lupus shops box and made of gold and silver as opposed to Bach and natural kind of cases yet. And there's actually a in some of the economy at little hints of what each of these rooms like. If you read the little fluff blurb for the rump scape features so for example like in the room of metal there is trees that can cut you as you move through them so if you move through during you can get hurt and that kind of stuff. the same regulatory copy fair enough. Yeah you know walk out. It's more of a user error than the room trying to kill you though off So yeah let's what they fundamentally are now they are like I said a disk and what it is is in the center. Things are extremely stable. And that's where most of the story things happen is frankly that the fat center that Sucker Because as you get towards the edge things get much more wild and crazy. Magic starts to come apart at the scenes. It's less Refined out there so for example. If you're in their own fire and you start walking towards the edge to get far enough you can burst into flames. you can. There's like gold statues of people in Japan because literally just turned them into a different metal All kinds of stuff so and that's a cool setting because it's first of all each of them is massive like beyond their each one of those supposed to be like a whole old world unto itself The maps that we have in the core book Account basically for one continent in each of the rounds. So we don't have a full picture of every single one of them. Which is it's I think it's a great compromise between abstract and Too much detail to limit yourself. And so yeah. That's that's what it is. And so each one of them has unique artifacts that really represent or her supposed to represent other from there from in in addition to veterans. Thank and that's why the just going back to the early discussion that we had around the room gaping holes. That was that was one of the reasons. Why very story was all of that? Fighting Roy Gates. Because that is how you are able to transport between the different realms add British successes of capturing Rome Gates Trade was able to be created. And that's why places like how a whole which is known as trading city has a wrong gay which allows them to be actually as well as garters. So that's why. When he played the army do have the selection of from both because The city using and by by being in that room allows you to access so much and do so many. Yeah and it was Lee. It was really fleshed out well in the carriage and overlords book. I think it would make more book but basically what each realm offers so for example if you are having a massive war effort you need raw metal there metal. You also need to feed your troops and people go to curb because there's lots of wildlife to kill and then bring the meat in and so they all kind of work together. There's a reason to be everyone of them And of course. You're someone who doesn't like that concept you can just say you're from the center of the room where things are just chill where it's a very stable in just pick your environment basically. That's actually a really good point spell just back. We talked about the age of chaos. Chaos would really take over the realms until seek. Marin crew for the whole region Over laws came into our rose is because they were leaving the scars and the Scott Going. Three guys come down until it's safe and we want to trade and then once once the realms in the cities and become a k. like Kuwait coming down now just like they saw much story in so many different things and I think to kind of touch on that we've kind of talked around it a little bit in the various things we've mentioned but what it took them quite a while frankly Maybe two three years. They created this really abstract setting with the rooms and it was largely rejected. I got put out there too crazy. It's too much of a sandbox game based in I always I understand that the thing is that they've done a really good job of about a year in going forward is the rump. Start to make a lot more sense. The more you learn about the various factions. Because when you have this huge stage it's putting characters on that stage that give it context and so like having all these different realms doesn't matter until you realize oh the gates are important because we need things from each one of them or how society functions when you have transportation like he said In Hammer Hollick. They can go between two rooms. That's huge Certainly another example that comes to my mind is The stolen cost there was a particular chamber in legit Yasser. My step much must own cost lorries. Not that strong athletes that punish me but I know that there was this particular chamber or pot in stone calls when at scouting in the realm of base United Roma and they lost. I seek my was listening today. Coles advocate imagine. As a moral timing. They became more will be steel so he started to see. It is a fixed coming to play Yup amidst that's been a recurring theme in a couple of mostly battle. Toms and I've seen a black lab right novel that I feel like really drives it home but the longer you stay in around the more it changes you So dear in actually you become very hot tempered in aggressive Yeah became feral like you said in Gurin. It's it's mental changes but also physical so like my favorite is the fleshy records who grow like huge Maine's in for in that kind of stuff if they're in girl for too long There's an arc bone reaper. Lady who like Goes Hog. Wild people go nuts when we fight the every host or something like that. And I'm Doug said Yes yes exactly. Yep it's point so Yeah so the rooms are really cool. They they allow you to do A lot of story telling because you can make whatever you want there are because the story arc is that things were really groovy and we had this technological civilization peak right before chaos came in. There's tons of ruins to explore. Which is my favorite like twilight. More time really crawling through the ruins of the city all that kind of stuff and setting of under walls. Really which some of the some of these ruins season one was around Shades I O which was yeah this seven layers under under sheesh trash very so. That's why we speaking on unlocking different things you have your stories and just never-ending it just keeps going and is currently just toss the typically also yeah and it's a very quick overview but he's only five years of stories right like we're right thirty minutes so. I think we're doing a pretty good job because again much story you know. The the the reason that slash was being bound was obviously because full elven gods at the time had kind of bound slash in between light and shadow of really to that. And you know this more and more and more and more and more shells. So it's a very tangled web but For people who said there's no Laura it's like the second you pull one of these threads and you're like what happened is you takes you down this like super long rabbit hole that you're like now. We have the deep Ken now. We have snake ladies for daughters a cane. Now we have luminary which are coming out here. Theoretically soon assuming that the world epidemic doesn't slow things down for them. You know all these things that like if you just pick one thread which is my suggestion. The new folks. If you're coming back into it just pick one thing and ask about it and L. Lead on the ultimate rabbit hole If you're coming back to the game and you're like what the hell are. Storm Cast. Just look up. Storm cast in. You'll learn about Sigmar and Greg Ni and zero in and all kinds of the one thing that really benefited was cutting through all well to this new age of seek Ma is that the the ice realms obsessively the wings of magic now being an employer player. I would I would always have resits and in my CD which also at the time is also off it had the college of Magic and they will always studying the winds of magic at eighty s Ish Shimon Olim those issue the same thing. But it's it's really. Is that a kind of understand. It magic is coming from some way. They've really notes that at and built and this is sorry much rich reaching this that Bertram on a Toki next about the cast. Gods like they're gods. The gods out the old gods gets even more convoluted in tangles. Yeah that's a hard one because I don't so for folks who don't know me. I played fancy battles for about eight months before ages. Sigmar launched so like. I was reading books about my house but I didn't know anything about like all the old world gods and so. I'm seeing these names in these books in like I don't know who that is. I only know the ages Sigmar ones but what was your question about the other gods we can. We can jump into that before I moved into really quickly. Walser question as Public Sean. Now go to that question and he was talking about. He believes that he's seen a lot of influence from From from around every Asian themed kind of aesthetic He was wondering. What do you believe that may be easy? Might look like he is a particular look for the realms or do you think that's coming out from Lucca about timer on point cynical side says that. Sinn Sigmar runs the whole thing. It's probably going to be like a historic Germantown. You know it's going to use got everything's just like Duesseldorf or whatever just picked shing's exactly where I wanted a phase. Yeah I know but as far I would definitely think it would be yet Not Too far off from that but I guess like maybe like a classic European theme because the stuff that came out of there well it's kind of melting pot because all the races went there when things hit the fan was Chiasso. I don't know if it would be like you know Germantown with like kind of how exactly where like New York City has Chinatown. Maybe the default is like a German theme or European theme thing with like Elvin town where it's like you know that little bit of Asian influence that kind of stuff in that area because like do hitch but yeah so I don't know that'd be did say we did see that kind of coming to play with with death. Recreating lomb Ya. As New Lama start. She came from the world that was the role of myth and they had long thought she wanted to recreate her vision. Of what Lama look like the ball and that is new lobbyists who knows that could be you. That's that's my while. Guess is probably something pretty classic to Empire. Well well in the spirit of community. I'd like people in me The channel description of the channel comments to tell us what they think of what he shoots like Z. Sorry what Ziab apply. What was the personal zoo? Your interesting just just a giant cod piece manufacturing plant in his. They'll that whole realm is just equity every free guild guy crush guard I be dealt with projects. Yes we've got a bunch of e kind of kind of nine some of Moradi so we've got sitting up which is ninety nine right. Yeah Yeah Ages like Mars began when he decided to go out and reclaim the realms So to make it really brief It during the campaign many of the prominent characters like checklists and Sigmar Sigmar but Carl friends with Sigmar in his soul. I don't know All tied themselves to wins a magic and then they became God's in a Os and so yeah signatories got heavens alarios God of life so life. Magic's in growth in that kind of stuff. We have malghuth who is kind of the copy. Non Copyright Infringing version of Malik Thirty. Yeah Malecki is the old one. Malaria is not right. Okay got that backwards and then Who else they're tearing in Texas. We don't know too much about them But they are. They're both around they Have some relationship to being gods of light magic whether they they kind of twin that one. Or if one is more dominant works luminescence coming out to figure it out soon and then Who Else is there? There's the gods of Greg Nie and grim near Corker Marco. Yep who can split into Gordon and Marc and then recombine to Gorka when he argues with himself Who else is there yet. L'oreal yes her. I think that's the main players that we see now. The the cast of the same as they were so corner goals. Nash's each they kind of elevated great horned rat ever always forget the great horned rat because Greg Horn rap was never a chaos God and as soon as slash kind of bound up in eight els and got really fat and got captured. We don't want to be a threesome. Pro The rats and then the rat has used the last couple of years ago. I'm still look on. I'm still had gone about the pool. Right Horn wraps this. You could probably argue is that it is not a god but you got that. Pay At the end of of chaos. Well speaking of of that question is not the one thing. I do think that I would love to see from games. Workshop is some kind of clarification on what makes someone a got because all those people we just mentioned have achieved deity status. But then there's this next year of people who are trying to become them where you have like arche on but when you see arche on it is like the power of a God brought to the battlefield. It is insanity Another one is Marathi. His Malka th Meridian. His mum from the old world did survive but she got twisted up in the in the pursuit of life and so now she is deterring to attain God hood herself so that kind of like we don't really know what the distinction is because they're such movers and shakers that it's not really clear but There's different here deities when I'm calling demigods and then a lot of people below them like us this Exac Rafi demi-god. It's not enough. I'm hot on her tail. That's worse when it came out of my mouth here. You put that as a sound clip Maranatha dogs hundred zero okay. It's not your mom right for me. What I love about. This is when I pick up on a games workshop and a peak of bunching models up literally malls pieces of plastic men and women that I need particular and I'm GONNA pay subscription. They are toy but the moment you start putting story he can stop to sit in a little bit more of a a different life. A different context colors come to mind conversion. Keep bashing comes to mind that I often get asked about is. How do you come up with ideas to keep bashing convert your hobbies in the Lord of the story and the narrative and the purpose of your plastic men and women soldiers creates kind of? I don't paint doors box to Rome of possibility. And you look little general and this is how the January comes about. But what if that general come from the realm of death? Would it look different? How I make it. Reflect the realm of guests And all the sudden Johar economies surrounded by spirits from the The common thrown. You have this many different things you can do it just by one different. Lens on your army so I for you is how important other ongoing narratives and stories to gaming and you're in the gaming community Europol. Yeah I so you'll hear people say stuff sometimes like I've had people message. Being you know the the Laura is secondary doesn't really matter. It's it's just kind of a bolt on thing to the game Myra my shot back to. That is simply that we all know games where the story is just crap like there's just nothing it's like paper thin But those games are not as interesting and the reason is because story. I'M GONNA get all philosophically. I believe that humans are storytellers by nature. Even if you are a hard core competitive person when you win you go in a podcast and you talk about how you want which is itself a story you make a story like it's all it is When it comes to you these kinds of games adding personalization your own touch your own vision to a greater story. Arc is super rewarding in a way that no other hobby does which is why I think or gaming is around. You know. I think it's why it exists And a lot of like different lenses with that with that to like list building competitive. It doesn't matter but with factors use these these narrative tools. These huge sandboxes that you get in terms of the realms and where people come from meaning your example of your general who's from the realm of death but also where he is now. So how does someone who was grown up in the darkness of the world of deaths act when he is now in the realm of life? You know with everything. Being flush in net creates internal conflicts with him Many to use this new environment to his advantage when he fights in that kind of stuff so it has drama to these little plastic soldiers in Kinda gets US attached to them in love at end. you know you at the start of the Ukraine little story competition and unfortunately Geeta life. I didn't get to actually Why final result one I wanted to focus on to a degree was at the time of your launch. You had set it up when we were playing at Cancun can't is the wills lash and clete. Mallett who is the CEO of Cancun had said it in the realm of Ghairat so so I thought to myself you know being at the time of playing. Hallo Hawk is my Heller hot on ME COMING TO DIE WRONG. And what was the purpose? What am I trying to do? And when I looked at my list and thinking bout worldwide general is going to be an anointed on foot a little Elf and leading. A bunch of wizards and wizards is the Phoenix. God and his whole bunch of other things. But I'm like personal narrative and I'm thinking about will wear my basie myself and You're looking at book. I decided to pick a point in the map of You know I'm happy to share my more with anyone who has lost to summarize where I got through. I recognize realized that basically my hobby was a research army that we're going into the kingdoms. It's Phoenix God. With protecting these researches that will hopefully bringing back on effects full. Hallo hot shoe to research to explore the role of Byron. Better in the Rome of actually artfully through quest I was able to do x Y and Z and as I reflect on my games I can put that into context Whether I want whether I lost whether it was arrayed whether it was an ambush weather is a fight All of a sudden I'm like mytalk ornament performance while foreign to add so much will fly because I now have attached to it not just I went to a tournament in and I think that that that background that you made is is a perfect example of what I would encourage most folks to do. You don't need to have every single frigging Have a name and a background and you know family tree but saying I mean I like your example of having a research team and people who guard them because that's a super practical very easy to mentally grasp thing In kinda helps you ground yourself in. What could be very abstract setting because when I came out people I think they kinda overly heavy into the super weird like yeah exactly and and they kinda thought that that was kind of the norm was like no. I think it started when cities of secrets came out like another still. Some very grounded storytelling. That's very much like the old world fantasy battles. If that's what you're into that it just makes sense. Like if societies existed here we would have research teams just like we have research teams now. That kind of stuff yet. Everyone duties that I think for me like picking appointed mortal realms and thinking about why. I'm doing what I'm doing is a much more. Kalat and variety and enjoyment my games also wanting to win but it contextualized the losses as well for sure. Yeah and. That's some of the entries that I got for that competition where we're really just people saying like Hey I recorded all the games I did for the month of October. And this is the story around it and so they started with this. Here's a character. Here's my army. And it's and then we went out to fight and oh. We were swamped by flesh-eater courts. And they just talked about their battle with Russia courts in so win or lose you are crafting narratives and he just go the extra step in defined some characters and that kind of stuff and you can have a really great time. It has a lot of the game and and Most obvious if not all these are across all the different roads. Now probably the army armies. That are locked into rail. Odyssey's of sequel Particular cities but not to sign that you couldn't use the rules as the CD somewhere else but each of these armies. Sylvan can be found everywhere. Not Record. Obviously Armies have preference the way they want to be bit You can put your own spin on your own army and just because Again Guy. Ron Is all about notable and Sylvia's doesn't name that you you have to play from Garland has to be in that same. Absolutely yeah So one of the things. They've done a really great job of if you look at if you want ideas on where your army could from if you have your book. Your batum I would definitely say just breezed through those like little story blurbs. They have like usually they call it like at our know orcs over time or something like that like little like maybe four Cents Story. Bits and they have things from all over every room for every book And they're all over the place. Sometimes they have sub factions. That are kind of tied narrative lead to specific rooms. I like doing that personally. And then some armies are so big that they are just everywhere Iron Jaws every will or congenital. Glands are everywhere Storm cast can. They're such a large faction that they can break down into divisions in like this chamber will send a division here and then the rest of the divisions will go there so you can create whatever you want. Yeah I think that's the beauty as well. I'll talking to someone just the other day when the liking Mommy and I want them to focus on the modal enemy. Whose who is the mortal enemy talking about different Binghamton one could be the secretary? Chimo from stone costs another one revengeful appear on and the chaos win when they invaded and they took over the role of Death. A bench cash for for period time. So let's create like these revengeful send in What does An anti chaos not look like and you just unlocked so many tool of the Chinese and they knew crater story you crater hills and the cool thing talking about battle-torn is at all of the battle. Times have cost to battle plans for you to play About your Romney. So it's like it one has one around. The bad moon is not like a general sample. Its own unique stores. Lawrence Explore the postal narrative the ID suggest Everyone take a good hard look. I mean I'll be honest. Some of those missions are better than others All of them are are meant to really drive home like the theme of the Army. That of what's in the book basically So like my favorite one is the beasts of chaos where everyone's just trying to tear down the herds down which is just like a really cool thing and then so it puts the the main army as sort of a ambusher but the defending their watching the other army. Come at them. And so there's some really cool stuff there but yeah. Those missions are kind of glory thing. Most people just skip right past like there's some cool stuff in there for sure speaking of stories One of my my favorite stories. You just mentioned. Elliott was a series of secrets which was not all all of that 's inch signed to corrupt one particular free city and it was the fight back off a which which hunter in a warrior priest those little band of brothers. Your trialing like who is the cult. Whose corrupting kind of find it off from the realms he have any particular favorite stories or any particular books that you really enjoyed the recommend they sure so if someone is coming from fancy battles and they are really apprehensive about abstract crazy heroic fantasy stuff Cities of secrets by as things Nicole. Who wrote that one He that is my Go-to book for people. Because it is a very understandable story. It doesn't From cast in it. But he's not one of the main characters. Everyone's very understandable three Ikea old worldly. Because it's too concrete setting so that's definitely it's high on my recommendation lists by the way they look to stole. 'cause he's not Monday they say. Is it like stone cost associated with all the glory? That would make hockey my help. And I'm going to protect the night them. Feel like the good guys right out right there this other thing. You know it's kind of like I think if you're forty K. Player like I think the best stories of Space Marines of the ones that kind of highlight how not human they are and do the same thing with storm. Cast in in that one where it's like. Nobody wants to talk to them because they're scary like they're different and That's not cool Other books that are really standouts My personal favorite of all the Black Library. Nooks book is Nikki undying king by Josh Reynolds. It is a book where as you mentioned before. An agache got taken out of action by archaeology. Got Struck down but not destroyed and so He's kind of like in a whole resting somewhere and was his name. Arcand the black and Virata are doing their best to keep him kind of hidden and safe but inaugural army which is full of character. Like it's one of the most fun things to read if you like Nergal or just. Chaos and General. is marching towards that hidden place. And so they're trying to scramble all the human defenders to come together in a I won't spoil the ending but it's is beyond read. It's everything you've ever wanted to see in a gash do so Beyond that that's my biggest recommendation. A limitations is a great series as well. I get a rental. Josh Reynolds is probably my favorite thumbs. Sorry the other interesting mob. Josh Reynolds Writing Style is just. He does a great job of you know how like. I've only heard a cold boulter porn forty K. where it just action action action action but not for the sake of anything. I feel like Josh Anything by him as a fantastic read because he does a great job especially with dialogue of just making things seem important and lake Adding importance to thing. When I say add importance I mean like it's the violence has never just for violence sake. It's always moving a very important and interesting story along so I definitely recommend anything by him. what else there are a Lotta cool books? No checkout at libraries is glimpse by one which is also debt. There is chaos swans as ma. I haven't read yet which is around the talk of budding which is a a short little story about phone with is But the the the great thing for me is I'm not the biggest Renault by I read a lot of business folks that I'm all about my business overeating. The what I love to do. Is I love to listen to the Orioles. And the great thing is a lot of these books are falls. You well when. I'm walking the gym on the train. I can consume these books. I'M CATCH UP. Oris as well as three. Why is this reading? So if you're more of an auditory type person things like the The guard trek series is well. He's awesome Yes also the The call of Arche on series is actually one of my favorite things they put together. It's a bunch of short stories But it's from various lords of chaos. Who are all being pulled into service by Arken and like how they have to fight against each other That's definitely a good one hammer hall and other stories is fantastic if you want to storm cast is just a glimpse. It's a bunch of short stories that are glimpses at what they are like Trying to think of a good destruction one there's gloom spite is probably the best one they have not really leaned heavily into destruction as for characters and that kind of stuff as much They kind of get short changed. And that's that's a real bummer. By the way the book that I really enjoyed from eight limited series was the. It's cold stare of shadow was like a combination of a radio. It was van pie and it was a translator. It was awesome. It's just franken's really cool Again you would likewise by working with Easter Wells. Algae to break the mold of the game and crates wonderful story. Yeah there's some real cool stuff term trend. I'm actually a black library. Because for some reason have interest in absolute brain for it right now about different. Titles of books There are quite a few And what I normally tell people is if you about the current story arc pickup source with what's going on right now if you WANNA learn about The opening stuff. I like war storm. Personally the start of the wrong awards. there's some really great dialogue in there about why. Rome Gates are important in house. The realms feel weird indifferent to people who are first coming to them And then from there just pick army and then just find books about it that's always my suggestion And that she e plot that I'm gonNA putting as well as its own heating on this channel. He's actually recorded a whole bunch of Venus as well. So even if he doesn't have cured the button split as a curious about What is wise OCCA- on kind of rising to power in Watts? He's all about in a What's the deal with the rest of the chosen in there? Somebody stop me. Maybe. It's you jog. Whose graded these videos to dip your towing the water to learn enough and if it sells like Saeed interest here than you can drive into the black library you can read more from the battle turns and yeah I I think. That's that's the one thing is that I don't own every battle type by through through the likes of your videos You can learn a little bit of everything and then who knows your alike. May sometimes you listen to your stuff. Maybe I should start a naked Begi. Five Chrysler on actually say why they're running around naked and why they have roots. That makes actual. Ted's yeah and so for folks who don't watch channel Basically I I really focus on battle thome lower specifically talking about the factions. I don't do a ton of actual black library book reading and the reason for that and it is a very intentional things because I don't want to spoil things for folks but what's Nice. Is that if you were to go to my channel and learn about Silvana if you were to pick up black talent. I mark Which is a book that I did do review of but when they meet some Sylvan as you'll have some kind of context for what they're like and that kind of stuff so that's that's always my goal. I don't want to be a spoiler and I encourage people to go. Read these books bodies battle tomes but it's more about getting people understanding the characters at play rather than spoiling everything. If it's thinking Finney seek my has been around almost five years and you know we had just keeping the of the discussion and hopefully sorry fog. You know it's gotten a little bit curious about the the the roll gate was whether it's about the faced by important Feist Omay Appreciation 'cause sometimes when we get that you battle time. We run stretch the points we run to the will of the Talibans. And there's this whole half of the book. Ma is so rich in detail law. That's even gives you secrets on how to play the AVI. I know you know when I when i read the stories about Manfred Phone Cock Stein. Who known as a his son? Who WIPED Warford lawn? He plays the same way as the stories. Remain the battle widen front. That's the that's the role of Anti Lotos. Let me dragging. He's about being a calculated decision. Might go is about striking. The opponent is weak and the law tells me how to do us reflected not just manfred but as I look at my different obvious around how a free fueled the city's Rachel moments and supporting each other as opposed to these little little wanted to mankind of units at just Richard The similarly my my Meghan of Nergal is based around the drowned been which has led by route spoon. Who's got NERGAL PIRATE GUY and Because he has ships that traversed basically land He's all about like lightning. Strike a fast attack so gut rot allows black kings teleport into the battlefield His drama and stuff that we got in Rathi ever chosen is all about making the big fat fly. Boys really fast. So it's like lightning strike. Nergal I love it a favorite. Yeah those story thinks playwright into it and you know coming as well. We've got the giants of the sons of Abraham also. Who knows what s going to lock. You know. We can only imagine that you know. We're seeing one part of the limit Does the how the Sidhathan? They often brought his bridge the table. But it also you know what was formerly the documents On the story is constantly and rapidly evolving. And the way that people interacting and being impacted by the rise of slash impacts off yon and all the different little cases. We can think about what that means to you in your false. Absolutely yeah in. I'm interested It's really cool about learning how Like learning about action one of the best things. If you're someone who likes short on time not big fan of reading. Read the specific section in your battle thome now that they'll have it about how they responded to the Negro quake which is like nashes big thing because they've created this one unifying event that every faction has response to because it affected everybody and in that you will find like the rich personality of your army. And how how they handle problems. Basically in how we handle problems defines us a lot of time Yeah that'd be definitely my suggestion to you know. I'm sorry. I guess one thing that I'd love to hear from you. What advice would you give somebody who is now getting across the Laureate Mall technically more share of the narrative in the stories and then they want to incorporate into their luck? You just giving us a wonderful example of you and your drowned men. Had you get to that point. And how could I stop doing that? If I'm not there just yet sure what I would say is start big and then work your way smaller by that. I mean my my drown man started with I want Nergal pirates because I think pirates are cool and I think Nergal is cool Mainly just because I am someone who likes to move as few models as possible time for these sixty blocks garage or whatever So I wanted something more elite and I was like okay but I want this nautical scene because I don't see it a whole lot outside of deep. Ken Really So I wanted to do that. And so you start looking around like okay. What are some things that that would add nautical flavor? So you can look at bits. So if you're a prominent Kit Bashar look at some of the nautical stuff go to the deep kin site or bit stuff and then pull off some of their fishy. Bits if you will And just start. Crafting narratives what I would say a lot of the army's if you define the character of your general everything else can reflect him if he if. Your hero is Brash and impulsive. They're gonNa want things that focus on lightning strikes cavalry in fast moving aggressive stuff If there are more reserved in Mecca Steffi. My focus on being defensive. That's a great way to just kind of play into it almost a slight bit of role. Play I definitely start there and then you can either go the route of Because you know some some folks really value like how they plan a tabletop so you can choose rules that really lean into that so say you wanted to make Okay we'll pick on you for a bit right. So let's say you wanted to play these Maher Mar. And you're like I wanted these guys to be like rugged outdoorsy guys on the forefront the frontier of a city's boundaries. Kind of defending things And they're like in fast. Okay so you can either go with Choosing a city based on rules that supplement that concept or you can say no no we're going to be Hallo heart because that's where I wanna be and then choose units that are specific to that concept you know and you can kinda work from there I'd say like pick a theme build a character and then what would that character logically take to achieve their goal. You've you've nailed the thinking patent. I've had like when you just hope to the I. Over two stories of my early building when she caught I built it and I put my mind in the mindset of dungeons and dragons optimal pain do my general and my general at the time Because this was before the second battle-torn so no autrey agent But I built a goal king on foot and what I done was unlike well. Reading the story of the flesh-eating courts they think they unknowable. They think they are essentially attorney of the not. So pretty much you win on bought a white King King on foot head off so I had the crown. All I wanted was on ice cream on top of Autrey Jn my heart and I made him thinking and I also did some other to kind of make more but I I put in that mindset. Now let cool had going to create my terry glass in my Zombie. Drive ins mole like my mom my royal dragons like a like a breastplate of the freaky Griffin sits in heraldry in my ghouls have a better musician goal and I abandoned era gle. I've got like little helmets that I've been able to steal from the fifth edition skeletons. On ending like my. My flight is I was able to create little standards and try to make it more like nights that that that are starting with the General Kulikov by General to be more nightly Howley then on the other side was looking at my. Cd's of seek bobby. And I'm like how do I how do I own my own place in season? Seek Ma Looking. I was drawing. Hallo hop and how it was in the army. I really liked and a peanut. Tenths die today. The two armies are really lock. I'm looking at the map and I'm like. Oh the bathroom actually. Oh actually in math is little. I'll cold the Opel I'll and it sits in between Both of those cities. But it's interesting the entry point into the the plantar some like a black heavily duties cry earn little. Cd THAT SEATS. Kind of in the middle on that pull. I'll that can be a trading pot both those cities. It could be a research of our hot a good thing it plays. It's two two tenths tie and then it just kinda formulates and just by pointing something. I can now start to that. Narrative and main idols become garages. Lovie trees and it means stuff on for sure. Yeah it It's a great way to do it. Absolutely yeah star with your general And then it just kind of assume that their personality trickles down into everything that they would bring which serving makes sense and the other trip that I I really enjoy is like go on and find generators so I seek. Bob is a gentleman our Jamie Digest. But I think he's Amy's who's been putting up in creating these different generators the dungeons and dragons. The whole bunches will use for unlike fantasy name generate. You can find anything so on putting a name on your on your mulas submission and at night. Yeah absolutely. I think that's a great idea. Naming stuff is awesome. And it's kind of a. It's really fun when You you use naming people as a reward for like ridiculous things like I have a named storm gas guy that I kept from the storm. Cast army that it's old. Where because he was I use them in warcry now but he was a busy vanguard diving hunter. That like took out a macho boss with his little gun. Nine inches is like yes. You get a name an awesome gentleman. Mike Game Club Very very well gave him play by the name of Jane. Buruah WHO LOVES TO RUN CLAN RATS? And what he does eat all his opponents. He'll right under the base that name so like we're all clan rats Ole if we've obviously got like hundreds of Klan respite. It's very cold orient a little one little soldier who pulled down a Russia wants so funny is like the last guy to die. Even if he's like you should he shouldn't be the first he shouldn't be. I know he's he's the hero. Free Gill to insult Christians in China's well. I think one of cool things on that even though cities seek not only really focused on two of the essentially seven playable realms There are stories in Rome of where the humans are working in partnership with the spirits of their ancestors. So while there's no rule said the free gilded CDs could How does that interact? But then how does it based type based Mobile Berry News more of the The ACOLYTE type bodies. Yeah I mean. There's this this idea that like because you're from someplace you're stuck there like why would you have any reason to to not fight in? Actually it's like one. I mean I'm from America. We gotta have our fist up every country in the world so you find a way exactly which is not really a segue into politics talking but you know what I mean like. There's just there's reasons come up with one. L. There's perfectly good reasons that country's interact with each other. I think again going back to the hall posted the shirt is. We've got a whole bunch of books that again inspired you to find that narrative. Sorry Even if he darned whites in a guy yet on your knee looking for some stories There are written stories as much as you can write your own. Sadly destruction players generally have to. Because there's just not allow stories involve them but I feel like those are also some of the easier factions to to have reasons to travel. 'cause it is looking for a fight. Right is travel around right. Angles are out there looking for five. Your options are ethic Hungry yeah exactly looking for food a couple of listener questions. I wanted to speak fire at you. Please I'm very curious to see how you go. These said he's one counselor. Redhead jars as question is around the religion of the ball round. So HE GRA RELIGIONS. Very fluid in the mortar rounds. He the law behind chaos kind of insinuates that people worship chaos in various ways And on the Internet and some people may not even aware of Worshiping. Hails your Worshiping Gash in etc CETERA. Do you think there are ways that people might seek worshiping? Sigma Cohen all another. God E. S. So there's a difference between Who you think you're worshiping in what your actions with that worship really do like bolster so for example you can worship like you you know our warrior. God Sigmar but if you're if you're method of worship is going out and shedding blood the actor shedding blood is empowers corn Does that make sense? 'cause like so yeah so it's it's not just a matter of like who you think you're shooting but also what those actions lead to do so by the way for example You got the worshiping of Merafhe Right. Now Muratovic everything because she was trying to justify the the what she actually she was siphoning that power to become not just one example but That's that's an extra point around. The actions is actually generating favor to God's or you getting enough from someone else lifeblood totally and it's it's interesting because the I guess there's kind of two different kinds of guidry if God's chaos and then pretty much everybody else right. The Pantheon is typically what I call them It seems as though the Gods of chaos get their energy from things that happen that mortals do right. You kill somebody. Corn gets power but the other gods the chaos as are the Pantheon. The good guys. They don't get their power from those things like lightning strikes. Don't make Sigmar stronger they. It doesn't matter And so it's interesting where their power is tied more to the realms specifically then any actions that happen to them so I mean I guess in one sense. The best thing to do is just pray. Because you don't know who you're paying too Because the the good guys don't need it and the bad gods take everything they can get so. It's kind of an interesting thing with worship. It's probably not even a gated community. I know yeah. It's a very exclusive club. He's a part of which cutting that note so that Vinson trouble when he watches this later and Kinda grind his teeth while he paints. I had I was on Rant. Cast before we were talking about how there is a certain level of moral relativism when it comes to we have this many fighters all fighting for what they think is the right reason You get a lot of moral ambiguity. And so he made a joke about us. Being like that is true. It's very true at both. You and I know that and everybody else knows that Vince. Doesn't Vince Walk? Actually he's taller than you think. Only regular okay religion APP safe fluid. But it's not as well and I can imagine again pretty Muhammad for a second. I am I'm I'm researching doing all these. But we still have been kind of you know trying to understand the more relevant and looking at the stolen faults and stuff but we know is anxious about eastern as well until about knowledge and May Yet get corrupted. I kind of crack a little bit. I kinda slide to the dockside in my piss. You off the what happens with Nick Hermits. He is studying too much of the Rome of death. You kinda get to a point. We stop pushing the limits of healing raising the dead and kind of like becoming a become. It's the it's the classic Jeff Goldblum from Drastic Park ride. The kept thinking that they whether or not they could. They didn't stop to think whether or not they should thank you. Jeff Goldblum is. This is a gentleman. Cassette KHUKRI had Seth everyday my fate and are hot. But we will talk about is a question from the chat which is around Is there particular golf that drives the plot the most so convoluted already and it's kind of changing hands a little bit? But is there a god at has drive driven the plot the most It's like pick like a overall. I'd probably say Sigmar He was the most proactive guy. When it came to forming the Pantheon the age of myth when chaos came into the room he was the one who was like he kind of led the Pantheon for a bit And then when stuff went to crap he was he was the one who has come to me. And I'll lock my doors and will keep people safe in preserved order as much as possible. And then making storm cast and then all the different chambers he's released because every other faction has kind of been in response to his things like for example New gashed as the Negro quake at destabilizes magic. We'll sigma then releases his sacrosanct chamber. Which is to control magic and ghost in that kind of thing And then everybody and then Osceola Bone reapers was a response to that. Because now there's a new level super soldier out there so I think he's driven plot the most although I will say that. They kind of have a shifting narrative like they'll pick a pick almost like a grand alliance and really focused on it negatively so the first year was really about order. This current cycle were in is really about death. So Nash kind of the main character. Now I would say no I. I agree Obviously the Aachen and kind of conic coming now as Off you date all interleague actress. Set me the one that had to be the. Here's a pod of the path half theon in his struggle. WanNa be in one of the boys and he wants to resign saying act this power struggle along the way but much. Rafi has done her own stuff. So it's good that we haven't focused on that. Set me against the guy who did the gains of name to seek more. He's doing all that stuff for sure day because you I should from Raka he says how would doug like to see? Destruction become a major player in the law. Now that the other three grain alliances have had determinist son. Yeah so What I like is when when one faction isn't ascendancy the next one comes as a direct result and push back on so right now we're seeing the Gash bsn Death which I said before is kind of like a very single-minded version of order right. It is order. It's just nashes way. And so his rule his thoughts that kind of thing what I'd love to see is destruction as a whole rise up as a natural response like nothing's things are two ordered there too structured right now between order and death. Everything's well to organize so we're GONNA push back in that end Buck off all of the ownerships and claims to lands in that kind of stuff Negoti has a current theme. That's kind of reiterating about like what he deserves. So like your souls should go to Gash. He you know he owns them basically And taking that concept of ownership in in that kind of stuff in bucking that off so to talk about where a good place to start with that would be We know that a bunch of iron jaws rated a one of those armories of Sigmar put around got a big Ram and are headed towards. Sh- what's the name Excel since the city full storm cast and humans and stuff like that so they're headed there? It'd be a great one because they'll be the first time someone ever went into a city like looking for trouble that'd be trying to think The bad shots in story which is the bad moon. Israeli sluggish is funny from the from from slash. How Slash? I'd love to see a bit of a bit of bigger love from the Dakota access to would definitely love to see the bad moon. Do More for sure sexy gates they multiply like they're six hundred. Gosh Trying to think. Yeah there's the my that's my big one what I'd like to see Like a destruction arc really I want cordray to be not on the same level necessarily Arken but kind of up there like elevated to like he is the focal point of destruction. Army's just like Arkins focal point of tricalm's -struction Julie. We don't really know into the room named character. I mean yes because Greg. Ross that that you know we have these super powerful five hundred point plus model Destruction and go and that's probably the closest we've got. Yeah and that's that's a shame like I wish almost that they had made a standalone model. Because it's cool you have Gorriak and then you can also build them as just a mega boss on crusher but none of the other like centerpiece characters like there's no not alario writing beetle right. Nobody else gets the beetle to transport dragging them became principal dry. You know it's a joke. It's like yeah but it's not like he's Foca. Goggin is amazing crazy. Powerful can handle it with alario. Low Nikko Yonne Sir. I would love to see destruction and you know one thing. I've always loved the idea of at his. I'd love to see humans being for into destruction. I've lost tribe. Looks like I've loved seeing what reanimated Star Trek blocking death Like a false civilian. I think this the ever expanding narrative allows view. Yeah I think If I could ask for anything it would be across Grand Alliance army whether that's just humans and you just like hand pick just a few select units from you know seizes Sigmar whatever you know or chaos because having to normal dudes and put them in different contexts. I think would be really read. I think you know a few people of predicting that the if they will ever a golden factions the cold it You've got the Gog because you can imagine in the old world you had Goggin that would work with the empire doing God to be very Destruction you could have reanimated dead type. Goggin for the chaos Gawk at so. I don't know if I'd like to see something that crosses between barriers two final questions unless something else comes up chat for buckets. He's off Kenya. Ostrog when he's GonNa flush he always gets excited when he talks about them from what I understand. I have As far as I know I have access to a fleshy Army 'cause Jack from rolling ones has one And it's often been a bartered to me if I wanted it. It's just man there's so many dudes and I just got off of painting a horde army and I'm digging my Meghan. Plus I just bought a whole metric ton serif on so. That's coming at you so I don't know but someday I probably will. It's another good point this lawns and the knee narrative when it comes to Sarah phone mob as coming into play. Oh you're asking what I feel about it a shop. Let's overstatement that a question or two that Seraphim. I think I will say it is the best of the second edition battles when they when they had a book before and then it got rewritten. It is absolutely the best Because they took the things in the old one kept them. So if you if you like the first Serafin bottom functional. You've you've not lost anything in terms of lower. But while they did it was just added to it and really I think listen to what people want which is hey. I like Lizard men from the old world. They were really cool and they like okay. Here's a way that you can do that. And it doesn't diminish anything that's the other ones I think it was really cool. Yeah I I was a big fan of makes makes source great again and again coming from one of the fantasy yup the source weady the coal and this gained in the monsters with a specialist and I know one was it went very good. It's great to see them coming back on the table and a stroke as skinks and dinosaurs. Although I think they missed the mock I would've loved to have seen on results dinosaurs and Farrell farrel type field way They might be more powerful but they had like stupidity in life. Issues regarding the squeak. Cut Scene Rod. Like movement is ranked as opposed to guaranteed. Move for. Sure I am. I'm a huge fan of super wacky rules that are meant to portray a specific things. Like that's actually why like Knicker Mundus much Out there with a weird stuff but it's all to depict what would really happen so like I miss The ORCS GOBLINS animosity rule. Where like they they just? Don't get along and sometimes they punch each other in the face if they're too close. I love that stuff. Yeah now Tesla. He's role of one and the garden testing. Yes he's too dumb to do anything like in the feral dinosaurs. Like Cool Dussehra. Fun Ways no riders and role of a one. They stupid doing anything that they do. but in turn if they do you say they need to get all the one they are more dangerous and more powerful because it's at Richmond's reward which I'm all for good cause always risk because I will. I will love it when I have the bad thing backfire. You know it's like when did you overcharge given world lightning cannon. Those guys are so excited to be shooting that thing everytime always exactly. Why not running around with squeaks? I do my Mangla Squeak and people would ask me like how powerfully bottles on such a look. They could be also they could be hung up each time. Dr Had my manglapus week role on a three eighty six move row fall. Does it Rolls Eighteen? It's awesome a little bit on. I see you out is a what there are some other questions. But I'M GONNA ask you one. That came up earlier than look into you. Austin who favor person rewrote ones? Who you the viewer a fair. You're GonNa make me answer and not be dodgy about it Jack Ma boy I I think we're on the same level with a lot of things and we just get along well but I love them all by the way. Yeah of course it was Jack who drink What what would be in that box like ten bucks or even like what? They've done at Christmas time where they have like that beat box. We you my dream box who that would be as rough didn't ask for a specific faction son of a gun. Okay I would probably honestly. I'd probably go cities of Sigmar because that seems like a hard faction to get into sometimes or can be Where IT'S A. It's a perfect typical free guild regiment. Where you have some canons from nine. Well Arsenal captain and some some dudes Guns and spears dog fancy. That's that's a hard question to pull out of the air. I'M GONNA take the sons of the him off because I just WANNA shake violently but see. Here's the thing about the sunscreen with the right eye with you. Say to me like duck. Close Your eyes get excited and then you whisper softly all Guardian Army like I'm on board instantly but I want them to have variety in their model kits. I don't want it to be like just by ten of the same model and what. I want either again urgency. We'll have a fantasy mind. I want things guns and hustling since what I want. Signnow legal hopley trips running around a fee some Riding offerings if may some Goggin who can throw my dudes For some huffing like a cannon and maybe steal an object that way all That's that's that's my dream narrative that's awesome. Yeah yeah that's a can't beat that that's awesome. You're start honing throw it. Let me let me. He's trading throwing other. I Miss I wish we had more rules for stuff like that for throwing things. I don't know why that is. I think it's awesome. It's one of the things that were machine in this game. Does it where I'm like? Why can't Heathrow thanks? Actually one more one more crazy rule used to having fantasy that JAI brought With bringing US release fanatics the Phoenix with my three. Yo grottes before they got to the enemies he'd actually imagining the fanatic sitting at the behind the rakes Going again he earned dudes and then hit your apartments are. There's I think you could roll that like potted disease like docket by the swirl. That's awesome Maybe second loss pressure loss question is around This is coming from grant is so question one is around Serif on. I'd if you were if you were the one writing. The third book imagined hot three What with the next stages for them bay after the coalesce I don't know I don't know I mean maybe it'd be something where they integrate into society. I mean for some reason. Only think think of is like organs from more Winder Sky Remote whatever But something where they they do interact more with other races. I think is super important and are now trying to think of trying to think of a funny name for the star born the coalesced and like the readmitted back in society. I don't know what's going on there. The corporate job sitting in the office exactly copying and use them as interns. Yep Not runs. I finally the second part of that is on. Will they have a unified race Will EAT ALL. Will they the stop warning different realms and different things? I think always different. I think going forward. There's never going to be a unified thing because games workshop doesn't want that. They want everyone to have their own flavor in that kind of stuff. It's great to as well have that influence realm. So what does that Shimon type MC life buses. What does the older ones for sure and speaking of Olga? Actually the last question unless you kind of up really quickly is if you get a paint a the konate load on Ketogenic From a freaky realm of older How'd of it? So how'd you make this more shadowy So we'll do that. We haven't really interacted with much to understand what it's like. I think that basing tell a bigger story than any specific paint scheme is you can always go. Dark I mean just D- saturated colors for sure I would probably put a cloak on like a hood and a Cape over the the writer make it look like he's trying to blend in a little bit Christmas things that's basically it. Lots of use of black and gray in color schemes in Beijing. That's about the best I can think of because we do like. I said we haven't really seen really great depictions of what it's like with modeling so it's a hard Rome that in his right now. Early hard ones are much easier out a great inca grain. Lots begun back to look fancy word just a pilot like Iran fights. Won't you think the Grain Elisa his day Thursday hundred? I think they're here to stay because they allow for people to have ways to play they allow for games worked up to reasonably say you cannot make a wrong purchase. You know what I mean like. If you are playing night haunt you grab that one box of bone represent look school? They have a method for which you can play them. Altogether as far as Everybody fighting each other like every battle. Thome has a reasonable choices as to why they would they would even fight themselves like even the new sheriff on when they all this lawn. See these different great plans and sometimes they conflict with one another because none of them have a crystal clear memory of what the old ones wanted them to do. And so I think the hardest one to justify is why storm cast would fight each other. But I don't know. Space Marines has the same problem. So it's just kind of a cross games workshop thing sequels love. Y'All speaking of the Serif on the last question that we're going to end the show one will wrap up is a about the surf coming from break. So he drew his ost God of the Old World War as the Jacobean one in agency small so the new sheriff on balance I'm seems to hint at the drako themes tail in the phase of so tech so all day. Say My understanding is no. I'm still currently going through that book. My minority already got sidetracked with all the crap that's going on in the world right now. I WORK IN HEALTHCARE. So things are kind of crazy a but my understanding is no that the Serif on had those ideas of Durkin an SRA so deck from before And then they just kind of they might have like I know some of the coalesced have attributed those things too draconian but I don't believe it's ever like crystallized that is exactly what is going on Because we know that some of the coalesced have reverted back to some of their more primal thoughts So I can give you a maybe right now. The thing is is like a lot of their own lawyer is still conjecture like some scholars say blank that that's not an affirmation of that. It's just a theory and so a lot of their stuff is theory but If it does come up it'll definitely be alert. Video may be to my my position making us ready to close out is it's Hashtag. Your narratives wanted to do hobby if you if you see the world in a certain and you WanNa create something that is unique to yourself restoring their narrative rate of folk. You Watch a video in your inspired to expose around in your own way. Do as you won't do titular. Paypal gangs worship dictate your hobby at the same time. Feel free to use for inspiration to spoil the will. How are you on? See it so all fe. Nail Stone Cost Army. Do It if you want to have come from a particular death realm in death lawsuit. I definitely think that's an interesting when the even if it's not in the book I still like that enough that maybe I would do that is have you know. I mean 'cause you got work. Were bands that all think arche on is the Avatar of you know whatever fictitious deedee they come up with is not actually in the game you know. Why couldn't they say that Jacobean? God beast is the Avatar of so Tech Corp something like that that makes perfect sense to me and I. It's just so much You could possibly do so. This has been amazing The thing is we could continue conversation for a long long long Easy that you've been creating videos for years now that Jake's into the law that his agency Ma you have been digging. It's against systems of your agency by library is very extensive. So I highly recommend. Check that out. I will link your getting started shows on your playlist. People who are exploring can stop somewhere. during shadow inking when a requisition with Any any love and respect in. Check these guys out. Yeah So if you want to see some of these narrative games in action going once they've been in the chat I can see because I pulled up youtube and They do great like a lot of their stuff is narrative based they don't choose armies based on the most competitive which frankly. I like That they don't do that so seeing some of those things in action is a lot of fun as far as just encouraging people to do lower stuff honestly play past glory and make your leaders have a background and then just build a full army from there. I think it's the best way to get attached to those. Miniature is in a way that's meaningful love. It love at MIT potting. Potting pasted advice is If nothing more put names on your army list when used to be into a tournament just criticize and stick with them. They used as names over every army. And it's a simple thing. It's craigslist story Exploring wool dog either via not long ago. Where there is a company that allows you to print the names of? Oh Yeah we'll go read basis if you wanted to call on a no you'll feel general anthony. You could you till the test of time which is great for role playing a little change but also the sequel so Hundred percent and they You know some people who are more competitive we're like I don't like these because they make your base like a millimeter bigger. Who CARES LIKE I? I can't imagine a person at an event actually giving a crap but the thing that adds is it does make them stand out like a little perfect statue and it just adds so much The company's versatile terrain if you're interested in that they're really cool so yeah it's been it's been awesome. Thank you so much for having me on. I got the guys in China. They really enjoyed it. if you haven't subscribed to doug already go channel smashed at lot of X. description button Go Watch videos if you enjoy what he does. Make sure to jump in respect Sean as well. He's very very generous. Level a kind friend copper. More importantly this whole time adopt periods ball where people were very very you know negative against the the the narrative and I think we've proven that there's a lot to explore any gave finally top touch the surface so I've enjoyed the show dog. It's been an absolute pleasure off. If you've enjoyed a place to comment Let us know what you think what he looks like as well only computer able Z. Might will in their world. You also want me on. Thanks guys have great Rossiya Week.

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The 'Fighting on a Corner for the Justice Breonna Taylor Deserved' Episode feat. AJ Springer

The Corner

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The 'Fighting on a Corner for the Justice Breonna Taylor Deserved' Episode feat. AJ Springer

"This is Greg. Olsen and I'm thrilled to introduce my do podcast t one. T E one will chronicle a sixty year evolution of the tight end position from its origins as an obscure overlooked blocking role to the versatile superstar position that it is today, I'll exploring evolution of the position through conversations with some of the all time game changing tight ends. and. Just like the incredible tight ends we sit down with on my new show the Chevy Silverado is in a League of its own. This trump is all about grip strength and dependability. The same attributes it takes to be a tight end. What up everybody. Welcome to another episode of the Corner podcasts Cal. Danby here with the old man Andreas hail he is back in the building and no better day for him to be back then today so much on our plate we have the Briana Taylor decision they came out where GonNa talk about Kobe Covington's racist remarks, and amid may we're going to recap that whole MMA card and? Previously, to fifty three, which is this weekend also rented talk boxing big weekend coming up in boxing we have a pay-per-view have by the Carlos which seventy five hours. So it's a little heavy pockets, but we're going to tell you if it's worth it also right now we are joined by guest member the verse rat pack our boy. Aj. Springer's in the building talking to us and fewer better. To have on the show talking about why it's important for minorities to vote this Burana Taylor situation everything encompassing in our opening segment than he is. So Aj shoutout to you from join US front. DC Right now. So we got the C. presence in the building man pack show first and foremost though AJ will get you in a second old man. It is nice to have you back. Why were you gone? Move into. The House and. The the excitement of moving into a house with a movers, I didn't want to have the movers, my valuables. So I grabbed my stuff myself. And injured myself along the way. So. About a week in. Between that trying to unpack and got A. Daughter turned four this week. So He's been a lot is been a lot so I'm back and yeah, it's not this is not the greatest time to be back because this is not the shit I feel like talking about. That's all I wanted you to say before we dive into really deep conversation I wanted you to admit that the old man is in fact old and through his backout no ultimate old man injury no Dick Listen. I'm moving boxes man I could have been twenty, two year I'm in better shape now than I was fifteen years ago. So this has nothing. To do with that, it's just moving up three story house like moving big boxes of sneakers and shit and enclose in not wanting to move is touch my stuff and I hurt myself. It's the most odd brand entrees hell injury probably ever the. Bought a house and didn't want the movers to touch my things dating myself. That's me. That's how. So it makes no sense in hiring movers there but that's that's fair. Now, I'm in the mood somebody's gotTa move the couches. I'm not moving councils but the movers scratch I, got wood floors. They scratch my wood floor citing you had to get an insurance claim for that and at certain point I'm just like look don't touch Masud anymore. I ain't got a lot of glass don't touch my shit just carry the big shit. All my little valuables don't touch. And then Her. TV's carried on TV's myself. You can't touch my TV's trust. I don't know sounds like old manager he to me I mean listen you might be great shape but the bones in the joints never lie. And that's why you know you're laid up for a week. But it is nice to have you back and on social media today I mean shit you hit the ground running. So I know people are really looking forward to this conversation and we'll start with this. Aj your NBC were in the hub. Obviously, in an election year before we dive into Brianna Taylor and all the intricacies of that decision what is it like in DC? What is the atmosphere which is now just polarizing presidential race It's it's bad honestly I think no matter what the outcome of the election is like he can't be understated the things are very bad and things can get worse trump was on TV earlier today saying that he will not. Commit to a peaceful transfer of power. So you know, and this isn't necessarily about what's your political leanings are even though full disclosure I've worked for political party that is not the Republicans or the Democrats however. the thing that has kept this country kind of together by thread for all this time is that we do have peaceful transfer of power that is all kinds of threatening to be upended right now. So yeah, it's it's not good. It can definitely get worse regardless of the outcome. Yes ships while to think about I. Remember you know at least Barack shook the man's hand. You know we. It was awkward situation at the inauguration and everything else but I mean. Even to the core when we knew shit was bad it was cordial. To think it might go otherwise is just mind boggling. Gadsby it's bad and it can get worse I cannot understate that enough. And today. You know. You don't have to get into super political stuff even though you know we're going to have a different votes coming up and trump has a lot of power even if he is gone to change a lot of ship before he leaves but today. We saw glimpse of. Shed more more of that. Bad. As you say, it can always get worse right and Briana Taylor decision came out today. It's been months of waiting as dre pointed out on social media and I'll let Jay talked about this a second but just months of waiting and then we see different sports WNBA. NBA, a sock. Naomi. The sock I believe where the and we have all of these things in sports saying justice for. The Taylor rest the murders, Brianna Taylor, and comes out today that none of them are really facing any repercussions for her death specifically now, someone is facing charges, but that's endangerment which I'll let drake explained but it's kind of I want to say it's a shock, but it's not it's more the status quo and dray. When you heard the news, how did you immediately feel with what came down? What do I say all the time? You're. Never Prize is always Apollo. Quoting cody posted earlier. The most disrespect the person in America is a black woman unprotected person. America. Is the black woman most elected person in America? Is the Black Woman Malcolm X. said this was almost sixty years ago. Here we are GonNa Taylor. Murdered in your home, she didn't have a firearm or boyfriend did. Cops went to the wrong house. No knock warrants which a complete and utter bullshit, which means the process is the problem. Shots rang out. Eating about six bullets. And is dead. Today we find out one of the cops is being indicted on charges of. Reckless endangerment right and it's the topic was standing on the outside the fire through the patio going into the other apartment and that's what he's being charged for is being charged killing on Taylor. And this is what has. Posted quota meant it because? If you fire all the shots you worried about endangering the lives of the living nobody gave a shit about the woman that just died who was completely innocent. This quote should not hold true sixty years later. It's ridiculous. But like I said, I'm never surprised MOE's Paul. So I don't think anybody was really surprised by this decision and if you are found this country long enough. So. I feel like it's what are we? Wednesday night. When the sun goes. Down, completely, down, Louisville's going to be a hellhole and people are going to say, oh, go rioting again. No Man. This is not what this is about tired. It's exhausting I'm emotionally drained by this, but I'm not surprised but something's gotTa. Give in this why when people say to defend the police even though that's a lofty proposition because in order to fund, you have to completely tear it down in the interim you may not have cops and criminals will be real criminals we salivating over that day however, the system as we see now does not work. In Tire looking at the cops like well, it's cops. No it was warranted started issue. It was the RECON got into the wrong apartment to begin with started. This shit is the fact that there is a no not one that exists the star of this ship is the fact that they shot into a house for a drug charge. This is drugs man it's a nonviolent offense. That's the problem. The whole process is fucked up some to fix and this exhausting because I feel like. Every three months we're heavy in this topic Kovic started in March and I feel like since that point I have done a ton of shows talking about this very thing over and over and over again in only pisses me off because I have the same fucking idiots in my mentions saying, well, if guys doing the crowd nobody shot how many times people gotta die like this woman there is no way you can go out there and say that this woman did anything wrong to die. Nothing. The. Most people can say that she was somewhat loosely tied to someone who dealt drugs. I mean the cops Lucy Kassir implicitly tired of people who sell drugs, but the bigger issues this, there's a cover up here. and. It's obvious because even if you look at the landscape of the situation We have to send all these cops in plain clothes, which is another problem Sean. Bill. You said all these. Close, to an apartment in the middle of the night and you never knock on the door of the no knock warrant and they supposedly announce yourself. It's only one witness was able to say that they Anassa but there was also a allegedly pressure from the top of stairs threatening another family. But where how far did the cops get into this apartment because of Greenwich Taylor was in her bedroom. How far did they get into this apartment for shot started ringing up in? When did they announce themselves? This smells of utter bullshit. The cops investigate the cops. Like kill you're my friend right if Elena goes your wife says Hey Andreas. was was cheating on me. And I'm your best friend you should not go. Let me investigate get the fuck Outta here. On man like there's no way the cops investigating cops nothing good is ever going to come out of this should be outside. Committee people that investigate these things. This whole thing. From. Like when this happened in March this is Marquette. Yo this investigation was way too long. And a grim. Benjamin to do his job now. y'All got to start fucking reading. God there's no way we can win these battles. There's no way you should be going into an election year and punching ballot without knowing anything about illegal process. Ruth made a Gisbert this pathway. This people's like, what did she do I'm like Okay right. Are you serious? So this is a rough road out here release. In Aj? One of your many jobs in responsibilities at your job is spreading this weirdness, right like get to know exactly one why it's important to vote what they're voting for these process You know Kinda work around not just the president but on all levels of government, which is something you've opened my eyes to a lot just being friends with you in the group chat and everything knowing how politics works on the base level and how you really get change looking at how the Briana Taylor you know decision played out and so many of the different facets that went wrong like like dre just mentioned on the way to the cops even getting their. What, stands out to you. When you hear this decision, you know pretty much here in the cops get off what is the biggest misstep in this process to you? Oh, man a couple of things and I think there are some some misconceptions that are that are about the fly for starters like I was fully prepared to have no charges in the see all three of these officers walk So fact that they charged one with like the most ridiculous kind of charge was like it felt like an extra slap in the face and almost like they should've just let everybody walk. The second thing I think touch on the defined thing. So there, there are definitely police abolitionist in our miss. But when people say you know defunding police, they're not necessarily talking about going in and stripping out these budgets to zero dollars tomorrow It's essentially that the the there there are things that the police handled. Now that the police should not be handling that increase incidences of police violence and we're talking about The police we're talking about divesting. From bloated police budgets and investing in like mental health services and affordable housing because we all agree and police will tell you essentially the like they don't necessarily want to clear like homeless encampments and be responding to mental health call. So it's shrinking shrinking the role of the Police Department so that we have less incidences of police violence the third thing. I think is that there's definitely like a disconnect between what people in Louisville or saying and what the broader of social media outside world is saying there was a lot of talk about wanting to arrest the officers who murdered Brianna Taylor. And the list of demands coming out of black lives. Matter, Louisville was a lot broader than that and I have them in front of me. So like there I demand. That they came out with today was immediately fire and revoked the pensions of officers at murdered Brianna number two was divest from PD and investing community building. Number three was the immediate resignation or impeachment of Mayor Greg Fisher. Number four was at the Metro Council ends the use of force by the Louisville Metro Police Department because police shootings are active gun violence The number five demand was a local civilian community police. Accountability. Council. Data independent from the Mayor's office and LAPD with investigation and disciplined power and number six was the creation of policy to ensure transparent investigation processes. So like this is about Brianna Taylor but this is also much bigger and it's about a system as well and I don't think that anybody thought that. Brianna Taylor was necessarily going to get justice because justice for Briana Taylor looks like her still being alive. At this point like justice in the system is like some a massive overhauls in massive changes for for the rest of us. Saying that one of the things and I don't personally agree with it but it's something we have to talk about and I would like both your opinions on it. People say she received justice because she got one of the biggest settlements. Ever or family excuse me I, WanNa biggest settlements ever from the police department for her murder not that you know settling in a civil suit is any type of admission of guilt but I believe it was twelve million dollars that her family has received which listen. If I die tomorrow I'm going to tell them probably worth more than twelve MIL-. So don't don't let. My family only take twelve MIL-. But children. When you see this people think that's a form of justice listen you were paid out for the wrongdoing even if the cops aren't arrested if the yet go to jail, they feel that the family has been given enough to justify what has happened. What do you say to people? who think you know what? There's a dollar amount? That justifies the killing more so than the rest of the officers absolutely not. Life is worth more than finances. If like Aga mentioned justice would be Brianna Taylor being alive. The settlement you have him in the past right that's a civil trials. Four is to hit the police in their pockets and he people in their pockets. But in no ways that justice justice to these. Kabul's cavs serves time. The Not just be indicted to be charged in. A jury finds them guilty. It even then it does it bring back Brianna Taylor. So this. This is so minor like twelve million is a big. It's a big number, but it's Meyer. Police are playing with the house money though to like this is this is taxpayer fund like this isn't police pension money. No. This isn't personal paycheck money. This is like Louisville taxpayer money. Ultimately the end of the day like who is it really who's really hurting? The families, the one who's going to hurt twelve dollars like I would never trade my daughter for any financial amount. I dare you to tell me that there's a number of my daughter's life. So, when we do stuff like that, when people come out to say like Oh, you know civil traffic, I paid X. amount of dollars. Do I want my loved ones who still be here? Nothing can replace that? There's a civil trial in the end. It's damages cool to a degree, but it's such a small degree. and. Anybody continues argue this news? I mean if we're GONNA keep one, hundred her her family theoretically. At least the ones that live in the city like contributed to that payout. Right this you're getting money back. Updating my tax money back in with interest. It's like insurance which. Is it yet stupid at the at the end of the day. It's really done for people to argue that point. I mean. That's what civil trials four. To, hit somebody in their popular forces the tax payers is gonNA. Get hit. Because they're publicly funded but. It's Austin. In Austin. It does when I see you know stuff like this and yet they got twelve million dollars again like you guys both mentioned it's taxpayer money. It comes down to I remember when I was going to school for nursing in deciding if I want to be nurse or doctor you know going through the career field. I remember. Having to weigh like L. doctors pay a lot of malpractice insurance because they have people's lives in their hands daily. So they're mistakes are costly. They have to have insurance on their decisions. And that always makes me wonder like why officers aren't held to the same standard. Why is there not a way that they have to pay into malpractice insurance constantly because they have the public's lives in their hands To me, it's the same concept. Do even malpractice to my wife about this. The other day there was a case where this adopter left the sponge in patient, right? In the smoke in these sued for malpractice in the legal jargon or you can only do this American legal jar basically, the process of it wasn't surgery saw wasn't malpractice and long story short. So they didn't have to pay. Like we're the only country that is able to use legal jargon to find ways out of pain shit. So you can talk about malpractice there are doctors who get away get around issue but. Completely. Different I mean this is a completely different universe. We deal with police like what we're police structure to begin with. It wasn't necessarily to protect and serve. It specifically to protected serve certain interest. I would say it's not the greater good like. So if everyone's not feeling protected and served than they're probably failing at their jobs and that's where we are today. on the broader scope. One thing I wanted to touch on his we have aj here is the importance because I hear this all the time and I see ship mostly on facebook by black people and it's something I was like Yo. It'd be great to really talk about on the show and that is important of voting locally right. So for the people who have an impact in your area for people. Who actually can make a difference in your community I see a Lotta people one they don't understand why it's important to vote for. You know the president let alone other people right now see a of people were just saying a vote doesn't matter but locally, how much does that matter Aj own way on up why is it important specifically to minorities to vote because I see a lot of black people just Not. Trusting the system as a whole. Before on easy before you answer. I want you to also add. Talk about Beta Ginsburg just briefly because people need to understand even that Superior Court justices, they don't even get that. Who Oh, man, where to start Yeah voting locally is super important for a number of reasons I will say this and then kind of elaborate later like voting is important but voting alone is not always sufficient. So I think one of the things that that we have to look at whether that is. People of color black folk specifically even like combat sports fans. We don't have to take any of this. Lying down essentially dares politicians people that run for office or our regular folks essentially especially at the very. Local list of of levels. So if you. Are At home and you frustrated with the way maybe your city council is running you could run for council like their organizations like mine shot out. So the Working Families Party, they're just as Democrats there organizations out there that will train. And prepare people to run for office so if you don't like the candidates That are at your local level like you can run and legit like you can. You can win. So. When we talk about voting at the local level, we're talking about things like the way your schools are funded we're talking about if you're roads are terrible like that's your local government. If you turn up your car on the potholes, like there's an elected office for that their offices at handle evictions offices, they'd supervise the police These are all regular folks folks that used to sit on the school board back home. We're like retired teachers in. Housewives and things like that. So I can't underscore enough. Yes. It is important to vote will like if you're sitting one of those folks that sits at home and says, this is bullshit and I can do better like you should definitely run. And getting involved in the the mechanisms and the processes of government will give you an entirely. New Perspective on the process the other thing when people talk about Voting doesn't change and voting doesn't change anything in my vote doesn't matter like is important to remind folks in the presidential election last year ninety, million people did not vote. There were more people that didn't vote then did vote. and that voter percentage of voter participation is even worse the further down the ballot that you go. So that city council person that has been fucking your community forever is probably only getting in there with maybe thirty percent of the population. So everybody came out and voted or even if ten or twenty percent more people came out and voted a lot of this stuff would change overnight. and now moving on to the Supreme Court Ruth Bader, Ginsburg. Incredibly important and significant death for the simple fact. That the supreme. Court. Justice positions one their lifetime appointments. So. This next person on there they're talking about putting the woman on the court that's in her forties. RPG was believed eighty-seven. So we're talking about somebody we might have an office or at on the bench for another thirty five. To forty plus years. Also important to note that, yes, there are decisions that the court has gotten right in terms of advancing rights for marginalized populations. We Got Brown versus board of Education, we have loving versus Virginia. We had the ruling that that made same sex marriage legal across the land but we also had citizens united, which basically said corporations are people and they can kick in as much star political process. As you want, we had the dreads got decision, which essentially said there are no rights that a black man has a white man is obligated to respect literally in the opinion that's what he said direct quotes. So the court has gotten it wrong. A Lot. So who sits on on that High Court who sits on those lower courts matters a lot. and. The people that you elect. Appoint those judges. So this is why voting matters from the top of the ticket down to you know county dogcatcher on to the president. County, Dogcatcher like you. Know but you you see in these cases where people are just now learning the names of the sheriffs in charge of these police departments, right? Now. Have the names of defense attorneys or prosecutors in now everyone thinks shit like they're. You know just experts on this because they watched like the wire season one and two. But. You you get this swell of people like okay I. Now know the name of this person I now know and people were calling for this person get fired that person get fired without really knowing what they do. Also, the thing the thing is to like the sheriff. The sheriff is accountable to us like the sheriff in I believe probably all jurisdictions, the sheriff is an elected position the DA is an elected position, the attorney general who did not charge the officers Brianna Taylor's case that is an elected position. All these folks can theoretically be replaced they can be fired. Any comes down to that is you know one of the biggest important to being educated hers foremost like we Google everything right Guigui the stats sheet from last night's game. We know that Lebron has like seven buzzer-beaters his career under five seconds left in the game. We can take a second out to Google the importance of what does this person do in our community. Or what is this person's platform? You know maybe not all the time but if we're all going out to vote or if you're mailing in your vote, take a quick look at okay. This is what these people do. This is how it affects my daily life. dray knowing that your wife's and law school you guys have these discussions. And you guys talk a lot about how stuff affects the community and every time these things come up. Where does the change happy because I think a lot of people. This is be real pain right? Like there's a lot of hurt when these decisions come down there's a lot of hopelessness because you mentioned it every. Every two months, we got a new one to talk about. Every other show since March we've had some that talk about in terms of you know political social, whatever it comes out. We've constantly been talking about it. Where does that change come from? I mean to. ITUNES starks within yourself and it sounds very cliche. But you have to spark somebody else to be inspired to do something. And we are like my whole goal in my personal life was people. Right. As a writer, it was like to put people on as writing. I wanted to China spotlight on music that I wanted to get hurt I started this shit now apply to your local government or government in general or the police department somebody has to inspire somebody to go in there and make a change to be completely honest most of us were dinosaurs so the change starts with Arcades In order to get our kids to do something, we have to inspire them show them that there's another way especially being a minority in this country, we've always had a problem teaching our kids. The way out still is through a microphone or. fucking sport. What is There's opportunity to make change, but it starts at such a small level. Each one teach one is a very simple current SIP, but we don't apply it enough and people think that the funny thing is people say your vote doesn't matter it didn't matter so much. Why are they doing so much stop it. Absolutely so Yeah the thing is I mean honestly, like politically speaking like day you'd be on the relatively young side of things. You know like there was you know there was a forty four or forty, three year old principle that beat an incumbent that had been in office for thirty years this year Alexandria Cossio Cortez was twenty eight when she got elected to Congress. So this is about we have start seeing ourselves as the decision makers and not always the people who decisions are made for. US absolutely true and the reason why Is because most of us have lives and bills and shake in our time is always focused on other things like making sure the lights wrong. But kids have tons of energy. And the if you place that energy somewhere you and create a community like for a lot of us especially myself growing up. See anybody looked like me doing things that I wanted to do so I to make way for myself. So was that much harder, but it's my job to make it easier for the people that are behind. So when we look at the future where the starts at we're chain starts like we have to spark the demise even through this podcast is maybe somebody goes I want to be an attorney. I want to. Be judged I want to make a difference in here's how I can make a difference because somebody told me that I could do it. It's really that simple because I, know for me, my counselor high school told me I was going to be. That's my counselor told. So maybe somebody that'd to be a counselor to tell these you can be. You can be somebody. And again, it sounds so cliche. So cliche but that's the bare minimum. That's where this all starts because once you sparks of interesting somebody makes them Wanna read and makes them. WanNa learn it gets them inspired whatever it is. You have to inspire somebody to do something but be mad like we often are, and then allowing this energy to evaporate is a big problem and we do it far too often. We get mad and we just move onto the next thing. What's Kardashians is doing like Fuck Tanya. There's so many other things that are more important in this world, but we're not really focusing on. That brings up. Cognac was came out and said he's GONNA run for President I. Know There's like hundreds of people listening to this podcast is like I do that shade of Cognac. No that'd be argue a lot of people can do it better than God yet. So. What's what's is not to say people should run for president but like run for something. Like? President, he could win something local. You've been city council person. Yeah. Chance rappers vote for his as like we we all got a shot. So. You look at that first of Foremost Trae, your counselor really fucked up by the way. The school counselor, an asshole. I mean do you remember that poster put like when did you need racism and did you see how many people said they met racism in like grade school not a fellow peer but through a teacher or a principal Or an educator made them feel like that? They're blackness was going to be a problem. That's a scary game. We don't have enough black teachers. That's shady. I it's weird not to like digress what I experienced like the complete opposite, but there were just like, oh, like a lot of my teacher liked me and don I was going to do great things and you know I do I come here every week into spit out hot takes. Oh, proved him right. By by not a growing up like it's weird though 'cause in New York like we had maybe three or four white kids in our whole school. So teachers definitely eyeballed like, oh it, which is also problematic probably like, oh, you're good black kid. And kinda strapped the rockets on my back. I only had accelerated classes and honors classes, and Shit like that like teachers identified early like Oh. You're the good blanket and put on a patch be the good blanket and I always wonder like well, if any of the other kids were my position, they probably do a little bit better off their my friends who are selling drugs on blocks though. But so what I want to be clear the reason why I was told I was going to be she is because my entire research highschool always fighting with a teacher or somebody about black history about education. Like, being told that I. In one of my class I, used to sleep through class all the time because it was easy and my teacher was like when I pass the test, what teach you told me you had to cheap and it's a grave offense today and a win at teaching and I was like, no. Other, one up on the board did the entire test in front of the class in aboard and she was like, how did you do that? SMART. and. That's when I went to the county council. You can't be like this. You cannot combat people every time you think you're threatened. flatness is always through. And that's what she told me. You AIN'T GONNA. Be With that Oh. Okay. Bishop Black. Yes that sounds like some real black shift to say that's what I was. That's That's like really like don't scare these white folks. It sounds like that's home. Yes. That's condition sometimes, it'd be our own folk. oftentimes. The podcast yet hold a whole different subject Aj stick around with us. We're not going to break or anything, but I wanted to extend this first segment and keep one because we have to start talking about MMA and everything I feel like it's great to have all three of US talk about this. Cracked the claw real quick one second. Get that claw going I. WanNa Start This my saying Foot Koby coveted first and foremost a in case anyone thought. I stood anywhere else fuck koby coming to. Before we all discuss this. I. Obviously worked for ESPN. I work the combat sports. social media teams. Heavy into the boxing count as kind of like you know my. My project and everything but I do stuff on the enemy side and I'm part of that team. So a lot was made. Of. The posting of Kobe Covington's post fight and everything this week. And Me being a part of that team. I even got tax I. Remember Rob from him up. because. He did like a full like little podcasts segment on his show whatever about this and call now, ESPN 'cause we posted like the clips of Colby and you know the clips where he's talking about Braun or the clips where you know black lives matter is a Marxist organization shape and people took offense to ESPN and my platform, my employer imme- indirectly posting these things I wasn't because I had boxing do nights I wasn't directly involved, but my input is involved with when these things are posted. And? Not that I have to defend what is posted or anything but anyone who took offence that I'm not apologizing for posting that because I'm not going to apologize for posting racist people saying racist ship. And that is my stance on the matter when someone says something racist, it is not my job to sweep it under the rug or worry about if I'm going to offend someone by showing them that this man is racist no, they say something racist I am going to post what they said because it was racist I want people to see a racist in its natural habitat I wanted to see Koby, Comington make an ass of himself and saying these things could because without putting this people's face without it being a big deal, nothing will ever change. If I that should ESPN doesn't matter for on MMA JUNKIE MMA fighting of these people can ignore that that is Mitch Espn and my job there is to make sure these things are at a much larger platform and yes, I will post race is a racist. Now we can talk about I'm a play devil's advocate right quick. We all posted though. There is no condemning of Kobe COVINGTON's actions. They're in is going to be the issue for a lot of people. because. Yes, you are posting. Where people are GonNa ask where's the commentary that says this is That's the problem with Emma media in general. Just. Posting the quotes, your post quotes because dig about it. ESPN. Is this massive platform the reaches? This huge swath was sports fans. Not, all of them watch them and. FILE THE ESPN account. So when they see Kobe Covington especially college football love and right wing conservative, they see this. They are now a fan of Kobe Covington they didn't even know exists I see them exactly. Like all the watch this shit. Because there's nobody really in the space that was out there condemning or challenging Kobe Covington on anything that he is done for the past two years. It's just been absolutely endorsed supported promoted marketed, and it's used as a tool to get him over. So when you do posted on ESPN and gets all these reactions with nobody condemning him from any space. Support. Is Absolutely an argument against platforming folks which I could see which would carry a little more weight if Kobe was on like the the first fight on the UNDERCARD. Main, event fighter. Indefinitely see not sweeping I mean it was on national television so you can't necessarily sweep that under the rug. And my defense of that, which is completely true like I understand that my defensive that is one that's the biggest problem. So full disclosure when I'm in meetings and we had meetings after this is that we don't have enough black voices or you know. Just commentary people in commentary positions in MMA or journalists and made stand up and explain why it is real. Rights let's first and foremost. That's a big problem. Too? I trusted that we would have that commentary explaining why it is wrong when I made it. Or say when we make. We make it a big issue i. then trust someone is going to give us whites big issue, and then yesterday it's the third topic on I take. Max It Stephen A. or talking about white Kobe Covington and his racing remarks are so bad. That is then now I can post that because originally I posted Kobe Covington's remarks. So I'm painting the full picture. Today, they asked every athlete shout out to whoever that was at USC Media Day. That's every minority athlete how they felt about it. And we're going to post that we wrote an article about it socially re posting that. So I can feel comfortable posting the response because I posted the initial problem. Can we talk about why that's also like slightly problematic out to the story and I think that the link amplifying the voices of minority and black athletes is dope. Nobody's asking like these white athletes about how. I. I asked the same question because the title of it or black your see athletes feel bad and I was just wondering like. No white athletes felt bad about this which I know isn't the truth I don't think they were asked. They weren't so. A good question. I mean. The thing is it's not up to black people to fix this year. That not at all, that's always going to be the issue is just like you can't. You ask Israel to Sonya and he says his piece, but he can't fix will become ten. Let's he punches him in the mouth I still ain't go fix but if you masters yours. That if you but if you ask peers where you ask fellow wildfires, is this wrong because that's always going to be the issue right civil rights were like you needed white people Jewish people in the civil rights. Movement. Once you saw other people were offended by this and not just black people otherwise. There's something wrong with this because if it's just us. Out. In a heartbeat so look the reality is there's not enough black people in May media there's not enough black. You are going to ask these questions in fear of so many as mentioned, we'll talk about the column. Because they're fearful because. Dana, White. Band people all the fucking win. Who's going to challenge? WHO's been a risky? Is it that important to that? Why journalists and I think the person that asked that question was air broadcaster from tsn Canadian goldfish. Charlotte to my Canadian brother, they've been super woke. Yes. So but the reality is, is that these instances like there's not enough people condemning him hopefully like this is so egregious that has gotten to the point where somebody's got to say something I said, Ma piece but it's like Jonky. MMA fighting ESPN ESPN does a great job doing social commentary on every sport an me. You'd be surprised how many people don't know the true landscape of them nor one I would not be This this specific incident is showing me. and. I'll be honest. This is what I said was the number one problem and my personal problem is that. I made a desktop of what might Perry a couple months ago because we did a article and they didn't call out the N. Word like specifically in the headline, we didn't make a big deal. We tried to say he sucker punched old man, but that was burying the league. So I've done that. But. Even that's not enough. We haven't done enough to make these situations of big deal and pull back the cover of racism. Sexism and xenophobia. MMA? which are all core Values of the UFC being honest. If you are pretty, you get pushed as a woman if you are not, you do not. Sexism is rampant. In eminent. It's all about selling the fight by any means. Humanity. Like, Anderson Silva was largely considered the goats. Pigs. Chat Chelsea Sunan who shouldn't hold his his working wrist wraps. came out and made it a USA versus Brazil thing and fans flipped on Anderson Silva. In his prime and root for chill. Zena. Phobias and the core of this audience. and. We're not made welcome to attend. This is this is a crazy conversation because. You covered in. What was it? What was your first? US. Frank Mirror, I brought listener eighty-seven. Eighty something I think no, I know it was eighty one. I think. My. First credential was UC four how many? How many black media members were there me. You From the Las Vegas sign and Brian who was at. Thirteen? I. Think. So it's pretty much the same people. So you replaced the guy at the son with Kale. In I'm not there anymore this what I'm saying. Oh. Okay. And I don't know who does Brian Slow around. Assange matthew else will match the Texas. that. Comes out. Yeah I mean, as Walker who's in California. But it's really small right in the thing is that That was twelve years ago. That's my point. It hasn't evolved that it to black people in twelve years. It's crazy because it hasn't evolved, but it hasn't but the sport has evolved in the sense where at one point, there was a person of color holding every title. Every title was held by person of color. You know who's not telling those stories, people of Color. So gives us. So, here we are with. Tower would. From Ferguson. Missouri. Welterweight, champion the world. knocked out Robbie lawler in a blink. Defended the title. Was Supportive of the Ferguson. Protests. And nobody dated in you. Because it's up to the promoter to promote the fighter. Right. Kobe. Covington went to the White House as an interim fucking champion. That's this is nuts like it starts with the promoter in. Danish. Politics are not invisible this this man guests we know he's a Republican right but this man doesn't come out there and do that. It's all like very subliminal his thought process Dan life worked for the administration yeah. Yeah, of course, that's the background but I'm seeing it didn't permeate into the broadcast right now whereas Dana white just bolt the Republican National Committee which I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with because your political affiliation is really Your Business. But when you start talking about lawless of protests, burning down cities and never once heard Dana white condemn police brutality. The UFC is the one be clear this they're the only organization that didn't release a statement on black lives matter. NASCAR fucking release a statement. Are you kidding me? NASCAR. That's what bubble Wallace, how many black Friday's other in UFC. A lot more than that time. Like there's more than one but NASCAR early statement. So there's you have to create a welcoming environment and it starts with like there's no pressure on Dana white do anything. The media doesn't impression because as soon as they do he kicks him out. Right and I have a love hate relationship with data because I. Love how passionate Danish about fighting. In a loved the idea that he likes to try to put the best together four the fans but then it becomes for his fans. and. Then the people of color neglected or the stores aren't all property or they don't do anything to push these narratives of these black and Brown fighters. We've already talked about Amanda News. Gay Brazilian woman fighter, they push the fucking move gets you nowhere to be found in the Round Rossi parole. But Koby Covington. A guy who has not been a champion. Got To visit the White House Tire Woodley dangled get visit Barack. Obama? What he had to promote themselves so tired and Woodley couldn't even get an ESPN feature. It's it's this shit is so crazy but the the politics of the US is fucked up I hate I've covered the sport for long enough now where I sit back and go me is anything ever change? You have to be a sideshow as like a black fire. You gotta be like a Circus Act man like rampage got the push like for shot Evans didn't. John Jones barely gets early. It's pushed it. One of the greatest fighters of all time Dimitrios Johnson, the list goes on and off. Is going to be scary but but that's the scary. The scary black man that's what people think sells but the other part about that is you mentioned John Jones who is not even arguably the greatest. Time but a cocaine problem, he has some issues right mentioned Dana Cormie, who you could say the Ucla, pushing me the moon man to give them a commentary. You mentioned even. Dimitri. Johnson was the pound for pound. Away. Overseas. But what was The common theme with all those fires were non-threatening. Black. People. Yes, they never talked about lightness ever. And I'm not necessarily critic to that's not everybody's bag right? Everybody's back to talk about blackness. I'm not going to tell you what you need to do. But. When you don't do you see what happens? He's still do fuck you. Scream. You don't have to talk about it all the time. And I almost like. You gotta say something like. something. Any I. You can't say. You know I fear for the life of my child like nothing like even if you don't want to directly comment on specific situation you. You have to add a point, be able to talk about your reality. And I doubt that none of these men. Feel. Racism in their daily lives I doubt. It can't be like, Oh, well listen I got some all thrill. Yes we have. Children who don't have to grow up broker poor like we did my kids don't. Yes, we're married to white women all four of us. And I still got arrested three years ago. Entailed and then add to show for a week and got out of jail and did this show. And the COP following me through two different jurisdictions. Until. He got me into a place where you can pull meal. For No legit reason. Outside I was a black man downtown Las Vegas at twelve o'clock. So I stand these things there is no I'm you know I'm not black. I'm OJ situation. And it sucks that sometimes he don't speak up until it hits home. Again. SPEAK UP A lot sooner. I mean you can't wait. In the case like here's here's another example for really dig into Kabakov until. WHO's the number one contender for the only title? Bantu we. Front master near how Dana White's commit. Tells me surly getting a title shot I. Don't think he has no. please. I don't. Know Dana Dana. Still might replace him. I wonder why? Meanwhile. We're back but Kobe, coveted. Koby cones getting like all the like just got job. Right? He's One fight narrow about him getting another title. Opportunity one fight. Against notice weight loss's lasts two or three lost the last block in fourteen rams. Gilbert Burns is the clear number one guy to fight. I mean to fight a Comorros. Yep and he he just. Tire would get here. We are talking about Kobe. fucking COVINGTON. I gotta see Kobe versus Leon I for meets hey, that's another black Friday. He's not gonNA crack nobody's even talking about the neighbors. Not Leon. Leon's overseas and people are trying to like just forget about it. Doom, it's just ridiculous how UFC plays ball in the fucked up part about the Asia you notice kill you notice there are black people that work the UFC. In NPR. Unfortunately, they just wheeled pat like Dana rules with an iron fist it is really true his decisions. Always has. Always will an. Incident because it's weird because we do know those people right and they tried to. Give us the the leeway to have access to these fighters, minority fighters, and I understand like writing for. A lot of them are like Yo. Do you want to interview you know black fighter trying to give them a platform? But if. They're not getting pushed at the top. It's so hard to start from the bottom and make people care. Because Dana doesn't care about them or push them, I. It's hard to then the narrative from the bottom and build them up. And it's so weird. So weird because we. In the UFC we've seen and bring this back to Kobe Covington that. Patriotism can be a gimmick. Oh Combat Sports. If we're being honest like the great white hope patriotism could be a gimmick. It's what people idolize rocky like he's a real fighter. Patriotism is a gimmick. Being pro black is not allowed as a gimmick. You be. Racist is Yet being. Well racism painted patriotism is is a gimmick. You can be pro America pro white, but you can't be pro American pro black. No that's not. Our America. You'd be Irish though don't push connor to the moon. They'll bring Sinead O'Connor. They can make this share all about his heritage. But they're not going to bring out someone for your black champion data white a week ago said Israel dishonor dance. No No, no. Don't show your your cool blackness. How dare you? But. If trump wanted to walk COMINGTON. Down to ring. will allow that Shit. It's clear divide on what that company allows. To be. Marketed. And they won't allow someone pro black market. I don't even think I have footage of that that Tyron Woodley press conference from last week where he answered everything is black lives matter. I don't think the UFC sent that to us. Why would they probably not? I haven't seen the footage to clip like I, I couldn't clip in if I wanted. I. Saw it once on social. It's You don't a question at a press conference press interviews. I hate as quickly the press conference and I heard White People Cy. When asked that question? All the time I'm sure member dancing fear that should I do that? Oh. Yeah for asthma question for breast fighter a black Finan- black history month I got for that question boxing. That's crazy. We're walking to suppress rooms and white people pulling aside. Yeah. Why did you ask that question is look. WHAT MONTH IS HE SPIKE WHO's fighting downside wilder? Yeah I can ask this question. Is. Not What it combat sports is the weird sports. So we could talk about the column real quick because we talk about fights we've been talking about like. Miserable Shit. I'm sorry people listening to this show I'm sorry we've made you really miserable, but this is just the way it is but the column. I'm sure you've all seen it by now I was injured I saw co become into making statements and I. got my ass off the couch. To write this column because nobody saying anything. For those who saw the fight Colby Covington mugged tyron Woodley which a lot of us thought was going to happen to be honest. I don't think anybody really wanted us. Right. We all hoped it was real. Hope Light. Tire. Come on man you got to do this. And they let us down hands go. Hand. We got mugged then he broke his rib. And then, COVINGTON Call Him a Marxist communist I'll bet money that covers in doesn't know what either those are the principles behind Marxism, I can guarantee. Her. got. A call from Donald Trump. And then he made this statement and people gave me a lot of heat for points out. He said Tyrod will lead defense lifelong criminals. And I said this motherfucker just called black people lifelong criminals and no no he called black lives matter. And we decided. What the fuck do y'all think black lives matter is. Do y'all think everybody that goes out there and protest is part of a black like an organization with a like a CEO and ahead of staff. Was Black lives matter a phrase that has become an organization but. Was GonNA tell lifelock criminal. That's the life that will lose talking about the. Freddie. Gray. You go down this list of names of black that were killed. They were not black lives matter. The reason why black is matter existed is because they died at the here's a police. So, when I listened to co become to say, Oh, this motherfucker black people lifelong criminals. Because, there would be no need for black lives matter if this police brutality issue was in a fucking epidemic. But people got mad and that was like to write this column because This Day Fun. This shit ain't cool xenophobia this race like nobody wanted to call it racism people want to call it promotion and Marketing Gimmick character. Look eventually you become. We've talked about this a million times. I look at Coulter I. Look at Jason Whitlock Kansas Oh. I will look at Donald Trump and at a certain point. I'll even believe that they believed that comes out of their mouth they're pandering to a base. Kobe Covington at this point now is so far gone down that role did he has hit those buzzwords because it's pandering to his base there's no way he can retract it. So you know what? He can't do it. He's into into deep and now dangerous because now it doesn't matter if he continues to say this enough black people watching the see saw Kobe Covington, walking down the streets of wherever the fuck from and he got fucked up. That's his fault. That's all hill. I. Don't Condone Violence but I understand It do is a dangerous line to toe because you're using this as a gimmick but you saying things like he's defending lifelong criminals, they are terrorists. Really. How many protests have you been to without any violence from any person of color or anybody who was? Associated with those protests. Vast majority. They got spicy in DC over the summer blake. I'm not listening I'm not wanting to condemn a a violent response in the face of violence. So I'm not that dude up to say. When we were Those are these. Agent in France for. Time and we were both are of the Las Vegas Local Organizing Committee of the National Hip Hop Political Convention where we look to impeach the sheriff after a black rapper who got killed by White Cop in Vegas and we had a show to resign awareness on your rights and to basically condemn this act. In it was violent put what happened to you AJ. I was met I was protesting police violence. Got Me met with police violence. which you're a terrorist got my got my face slammed against the glass got cuffed incited. I did beat that case. To sage. But there lies issues they continue to call US Tears Communists Marxist all this bullshit. I had PAT. You'll see hall of Famer in my head. I was like Amen I respect you as a fire don't disrespect him as a person because it's coming. But I had him. Tell me you know Covington was just defending US condemning and calling out Marxism Dr. No, he's not. He. Doesn't even know what that is. He the this everything that comes in zone started off as an act because if you look in the history of our kind of mentioned in the article when he fought. Kim and he beat him in Singapore. He kind of data pompous attitude. But he's still said he respected the people of Singapore Asia. Then he fought Damian might and then you call the people of Brazil filthy animals and he saw a rise Outta people usually how can I take this further? Im aware. Because he took a very real situation. was very sensitive with trump becoming president. And then this police brutality thing was kind of like, oh, he just kind of pick that up along the way black lives matter. I can attack that to know man, this is not a game. Assuming the game. As. Plane in his dangerous but to see so many anime fairs. Like get upset when I call the shit out to see. So many fans attack of black people like when Angela Hill became the first African American woman to headline a UFC event. The fact that we have to say a black person is the first anything in twenty twenty is a fucking problem. But. Last year we. And the interviewed her and I saw you look at the like who the fuck cares. She's nappy hit. She got a bad attitude. Well, that's. Diaz Seo problem with this country. An Emmy general they are the problem was the concern if we're being honest though like. I when Kobe said those comments beyond a gimmick, if he's talking like the people he's trying to portray. There are plenty of people that are like that. where? Being born black or just being black in general is criminal. So, yes. Black lives matter is criminal to them. Because, being black is criminal to them. Being black is threatening to them. On the level they are envious. Of being black. There are certain things like. That, they just look at it and say why, why can you naturally do this and I can not. There is a fear of what happens if you know your worth or if we are equal. If we are on an equal playing field, we are not equal. Genetically at certain things. And you then rise above. If we are equal because you've done so much without being. There's a fear. So. When he says, they are terrorist group. I think he believes. Because if everything was equal. If there were. As many black people at the top as white people. A really think you'd feel threatened. Problem would feel terrorized. In A lot of people repeat the shit today here on Fox and stuff too with no sort of. There being an idiot. But if you play a racist Gimmick, you're as bad as the racist. That being said bill like a lot of people are in. A lot of people are very fearful around us. A lot of white folks are very fearful around us in large groups because. The truth of the matter is like if we were not some of the kindest folks in the world like Tweetie burn the shit down longtime ago, and in fact, when folks get mad listen, we got a whole revolution to get this country. A country they stole. You you're fighting over something you stole. But it ain't. No semaines. Was it. No peaceful protests in after nine eleven there's no stand down. There was war couple of them. Yet. Tolerant right we're supposed. Love you killed another one of ours. We'll just we'll just sit here complacent with this. Bed you to to see us. Tell you your kids. You have enough us your daughter. Your Watch. What happened? In this league is like Daddy I'm hungry. Dead Daddy Daddy. And if you just continue to ignore this are flip shit over because they need attention we need attention in this country. That's why we flipped cars over. That's why buildings burks fucking listening to us if you listen to us in the beginning. If you said, you know what? This is kind of fucked up. Brianna, tell you know this is wrong like if if people on the right because that's always been my issue with people in the right like the super right wing conservatives is they will tow the line no man what. They will not back down. But if a few of them built man, this is kind of fucked up. The changed it happen then maybe we would be like all right. Cool. You're listening to listen to it. So call become essentially energizing. The quote Unquote Silent Majority Utter Bullshit. But he's energizing this base that trump has energized that ann coulter and Bill o'riley. Tucker Carlson at all these people have energize and other excited. They got somebody to root for they don't realize how dangerous this shoot. I don't WanNa see Kobe get hurt. In real life. But. Maybe it makes you can't. You can't do that. You can't do it. I am all for people taking deserved ASS weapons. Inside, and outside of an octagon. Don't tell a worse. Listen whatever may come to you make county If. If you weren't about nine, it won't be. And he run off at the mouth. Shit happens. Because a lot of people are studio gangsters said, it might have been like a greg listen to our show, but he was like he's MC gusto. See Before and she can get real real fast. For playing the Gimmick All right. So we're going to take a break AJ. We appreciate you joining us give some last March eighth that you want to say before you get Outta here and let the people know where they could follow you as well. Yeah. last remarks. Shit vote early if you can this election day get registered to vote of you're not vote up and down the ticket if you. You know if you WANNA see some changes in your community that aren't happening consider voting. Are Not consider voting consider running. You know and and and be the change that you want to see their tons organizations that'll help you run a campaign outside of that Chaka find me on twitter at a just aunt A. N. T.. Eight Ford just aunt eighty, four on twitter. Yet plenty of knowledge chrome and from AJ on twitter and in real life as you guys can here on the show, we're gonNA take our first break crazy after this long and then when we come back, we're going to break down the UFC card from this weekend and the talk low boxing before we get Outta here. So you guys stay tuned. We'll be right back. All right everyone will get back to the show in the second. But I even though sports had a break, your business didn't you have to keep moving and that makes hiring more important than ever indeed is here to help indeed dot com is number one job site in the world because indeed gets you the best people fast unlike other sites indeed gives you full control and payment flexibility over your hiring you only pay for what? 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So knowledgeable so great to have him on but now it's time to into the nitty gritty of combat sports and we're going to recap the car that happened last weekend with Kobe Covington. IN VEGAS WE'RE GONNA go through some of the main card fights and then we'll preview the upcoming UFC two, fifty three card that's happening from fight island quick turnaround for the UFC to different locations. So to kick off the first fight, I'm skipping this Kevin Harlan. Fight. women's strawweight Mackenzie dern versus Random Marcos. Turn wraps her ass up first. Round. I think Mackenzie dern is starting to figure it out. In that scary for this division. Yeah I think the most intriguing things would accidents you gonNA show up with that's. Part at this point she's full. Brazilian. I'm just waiting for Mackenzie during the wind and waves in her translator and start speaking Brazilian Portuguese in translators in like. They're stuck like I thought you spoke in not anymore like she start she's already started eliminating light transitional phrases from sentences. It S- crazy but it's all about the fight excel I. don't understand what random markle's who's doing. Because Because during went for a kick and Phil. Random Marco saw this world class resumes. You disobey savage off grounds like you know what? I'M GONNA go swim with the sharks. As well random, Marco's. That was some people make their safe and top control do know. There's certain people like you just don't go into the garden because he doesn't have great striking for striking setup for a takedown. Randy's just let her get to her feet but soon as read a win to the sharks, then she got ate up consumed. Wake McKenzie's thinks he's fourteen or fifteen in. Straight yet. going. She's got a ways to go. She's got a ways to go, but she may be figuring out. You'd like the weight issues are behind her. She said the baby she's figured out her Baden she's a threat, and if they're striking approved, she's going to be trouble and I think he's only twenty six. Young and she took the two years off. You know with having a chow she matured. We always say you know MMA's not for twenty year olds. Is Not like your special person if you are great in your twenties. John Jones. Your John Jones your you know. I mean Josie Aldo, your Max, Holloway, your these guys because it's not built for you. At. All you learn so much after that. So I feel like she's really getting into prime as a mixed martial artists. Still, if for any reason yet the ground. Yes grass. Young not even in the bill gases grass. On the next fight. A fight that was must-win your boy. Johnny. Walker. COMES OUT AND GETS THE KNOCKOUT VICTORY This was needed. I ever since he did a worm fucked up your shoulder, he was not to say. So step down and computation not that you know Ryan spans a pushover anything but Johnny Walker is fighting killers at the top because that's where he was had worked himself up to so now taking a step back and get his wits about him I saw a shade of the old school Johnny Walker. mean. Span was just ranked like tonight's belong so. So good. Win a I'm just wondering. What's next this? Is His wide open right now string the other couple of wins, my title opportunity. Joe Good for him I. Love His personality. I. Think he's a pretty good fighter and he's a slow down a little bit. He is a little bit too excited. He got buzzed against Spain. and. So he's in a situation where he can win a few fights in a row, but he just needs to kind of slow it down but I like John, Walker. Good performance by him. The Star of the night. Easily Chihua-. Damn, can I never pronounce this? Give me help on I. Don't want to put your mind. Come I have I always say Chinmaya yes of Man. One. Punch. and. General talking so much shit and it was just like who whatever whatever enduro. So worried about the takedown come I have went starch two, thousand, one punch and still taking to significant strikes in three fights. Which I'm looking at a Mayan and I'm like run. Run as fast as you can. Do we also like he was just GonNa Wrestle everybody uses grabbing he just didn't want. That He. Do He's been drifting between two classes. This interest have both. Like people know this could be then he would knock somebody with one pushes. I know this is. This is something else nap different beast. I will say like pope outbreaks just a little bit. Just, a little bit. I think. People, are he's top five right now not yet and they just beat somebody in the top ten. But but I think he'll do it but I. Somebody that's out there. He's to fights away from a title shot. Division. Welter. What's in fights? So I think David Myers. Next fight. Right I think he then. Gets either Leon. Or? Wonderboy at welter. I think Leon does. Leon does, but you shouldn't do that too and not can't be combined is that Leon deserves entitled conversation. Now wonder boys like rent out the top to you. Yeah, you trust the UFC to give a Bagmati shot when he deserves. I'm saying that. was usually anything give somebody deserve. But. I'm saying that if I'm looking at this division in I, think it might be to fights will three fights away from but a wonderboy finding do. What about Middle East? Maui. These road, it's tougher at middleweight. We'll see even. because. All right. So you'd be Damian Mayawati right. then. It is like it because I think suicide of fight, it has to be masterful Edwards Burns and Covington has to be one of those digital fight. Yeah and I think, Koby. They find a way to have colby fight next. I mean that's the fight to make that. Yes O by. The winner gets a title shot yet. So I think the winner gets title shot their Leon could fight wonderboy Leon called guy called out by wonder boy. I think that's Leon's next fight the on. The winner that's why wonderboy 'cause if wonderboy Beasley on he's. Propelled Upright. If Leon winds. Then Leon stays kinda where he's at. And then of versus Leon or the winner that fight would then be under colby and Masa for the title shot but by then. It probably works out where they are fighting use mon- relatively around the same time. It's possible. Spouse. So He's way in that division and if you WANNA stay busy, he'll go up and take on like the number six middleweight. So maybe three fights Louis takes on the number six hundred away that's daring to. That's one hell of a match up it is. You know who he fights fights number five midway. Middleweight. Who's about Oil Romero? Romero you think. So that's Not Not that anyone is worked Romero right it'd be clear but. No. That's not true. Didn't which it takes. Work them who Borodino. Right. Oh. That's what we talk about the main event I want to talk about the. Real Quick Right now the holiday keeps showing Apollo Kosta and your. Savage that Romero must knocked his ass out like two seconds before it will merrill all punches with a smile on his tongue out his mouth. That's not. Yeah I guess he didn't work. that. That was the only person to stand in front and throw him but. But. That was war he didn't work that he works. Works Romero's man of steel. Underneath Maya comes out overconfident he gets not the fuck out. Of Might Stop Romero never that's that's a statement. Saying nobody's nobody's really hurt Romero nobody stay away they stay away the only person that has tried was Off Fuck. What's his I've completely I'm drawing a blank he Anderson Silva he has just won is I know Chris? Why would Chris Wideman? Blida Biden by me, of course, I'm saying in the first two rounds he tried he stood toe to toe he gate used as well. Then he got eaten by that knee the third. Look if I'm. Like I know wants by Ramiro. Nobody. I like that fight for now that you mention it. Better until fight. Yet, but I'm just saying Desi dangerous fight. Yeah. That's that's three fights away. You gotTA prove some ship for them. That's not tomorrow tomorrow I'm scared for. Three fights away. Romero's fifty eight years old. Cares sooner or later like it's going to get. Dicey. Next we have SIRONI versus, NICO? Price. A draw. I guess. I guess. I never see somebody. So excited about drama lights Oh, Nico was high. Needles Weirdo. He's high about everything. He dislikes the and punch the face. He's the Mojo Rally of in Miami. Yeah I'm here for it like I like it years. What is little place? So, now's entertaining and their main event Kobe Covington gets the stoppage of Woodley mainly due exhaustion and broken ribs in the V. Yeah. I talked about on the show I did solo last week Kobe Covington dominated Woodley. I. I think this is it for tyrod will be he can stay around collect checks. But this is it with him being any type of player because he's just gun shot. He won't let it go. I don't know what happened. I I'm trying to figure it out. Someone, took his soul but I can't pinpoint what nolte be. So he laws like he just got wrestled. Member because would we have the top? He still had it heading into this fight the number one take down to. His. A. But he didn't get hurt by loosening. Gilbert. Burns really hurdle. Something happened Tire Woodley mentally it's like a shooter not shooting shadow anymore. Steph curry going from. Two nate a game to wrap it up twelve assists. It's not the same. So he went defensive when he became champion. Yes. Time does wonderboy fights he wasn't. The That would be my turning point. He caught wonderboy with a couple nice shots but it was really still in doubt he got to draw and then the second fight was boring as hell because he was just defensive and he never got offensive again, just did Darren to. We call till with one. Yeah. Any talk to my? Bomb. Yeah saying like the counterpunching was always Woodley would wait for you to make a mistake and in capitalists with a right hand. When for whatever reason? With. Ustasha and he couldn't let his hands go. And then with Burns, he never had a opportunity to count. In this fight, he had so many opportunities accountable. Covington, he just didn't. I don't know what's wrong with. It's time to hang them up. He's got out. It's sucks man like time. made the time on this show. But. This. Get hurt that's the next thing. You broke your rear but. You, can't. Keep. Your. Being gun shy against guys aren't striker's. Yeah. Can. Do that. At. All. Because you get a guy like you know. Just a a young gun. And he's really gonNA take your face off buddy. That's that's tough. We talked about can I have an people eka fight? willies on that list. That ends poorly. Any would be did to make tire with income. I mean come I have versus Willie. I wouldn't put it against them. Fodder the same night it matches up. And then we have UFC two, fifty, three per view card this weekend. The undercard doesn't really site me. It shouldn't really excited he what? A one fight that's interesting though. Diego Sanchez versus Jake Matthews. What Year we? This is an actual fight. Diego's like. Like. He's like Memphis, bleat like as long as. Nothing unified. Cut Him the check he's GonNa get checks for life. So in the main card. Couple could. Fights Duarte. WHO's fighting? Should be cool So eubanks fighting and a tough fight skip. Most of these Komeda main is what this is about. Komai Dominic Reyes Yom Block Vich. I think this is a really good fight. GimMe, Dominic race. For the title, I mean for me, there's no question. I live we don't get me wrong. He's good. But. He's not Koreans so. Jock rose. By. Split Decision Cynthia Wasatch. Charter. In he be Gra. Cold chain is never Pushed John Jones to. Yeah give me dummy phrase that's the future light heavyweight division. And this guy's getting title? Go. Santos I think will push him eventually. Yeah. But. I raised winds bus stoppage. By stoppage. He's GonNa prove what? I think downgrades is looking at this fight and I think. As, long as he's not really thinking about John Jones like not getting that reminds as thinking like I have to prove classes division and after a BLU ray demand in front of me. He'll be. Yeah. Yes. The thing about it like DC thought about it. Like it doesn't matter not beating Jones for the title. It's my title. Is going what has to do in this guy who's very very Now I like that and main event out assigning versus body Chima. Paulo. CONSTA-. Tania's winning Kosta has a punchers chance still don't get me wrong I've seen. Knocked out in Cape boxing but no, no, no, no no. No. Let me stop you right there. The one thing nobody talked about with this fight. His boardings grounded. His brother's Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black though. Congratulated the brother. and. He has been rolling with his brother for a long time. And he's huge. If he wants to win this fight he needs to take you to the ground. Is said to have it in your skill set. It's ever actually used it in octagon. Act someone to pull something out they've never used in a combat situation I mean. I've seen him standing there and just get punched in the face He. Probably Lean on Romero but no never one thing in his in his body said, let me take this to the ground. So I think it's going to be war. I'll pick out of Sonya by decision. Oh it's a war out of size winning by knockout. Here's one. It's the same reason I pick to be with. Its those guys, sprawl and brawl type of the people that Addison eats. Alive. Because they're not very complex with shocking the straightforward they throw punches raw and you look at Paul Causes Zeke. He's like he's Right. So it's like when he comes in, he stolen Bolo punches then why the not down the moon. Yes the. What she looks for. Is Easy should count as long as is not foolish to keep his head in the pocket. If he if he keeps his head out of the party pulls back, he's GONNA catch cash with a counter right here it's going to happen. The only thing that I can't allow to happen is constantly push him up on the fence. Then he's intro. Casa. Lands. Right. Hands they're not. Outsiders trump. No fucking joke with that power, but I do think. Artists on your out classism and turn this into kick boxing match and once you get fourth fifth round I think cost gases. Other thing. When you're puff your muscles don't have oxygen right in causes already kind of committed men's lease the fact that. runs going to chase them but. WHO's going to run I think he's going to circle the balance but I think he's gay is still control. The middle of that octagon keeps back off the fish if that's the case in Casa can't figure out how to cough the Act Ago? He's going to be ousted by the third round is GonNa throw in the Malaysia right hands is a catch head kick or a straight right hand downhill book. Now, the other thing that could happen is this is the reason why I say if Toseh- disk does not come out winning punching because is a counter striker by nature. And he kind of Wade's in an punches to grapple. And puts out a sign in his back he can win into Susic. GotTa get them down Multiple Times like he doesn't end the first round. I gotTA. Trust. Do that again for two more rounds what was I saying? I decided is does not have great takedown defense. It's better than it was. Right, but if tacit can control him on the ground if he to find a way to get on the ground, here's a much better chance of winning the standing up. Yet. But I'm still picking out assign I'm thinking of them by knockout mosaic third or fourth round I. Don't think this is unless we look at the Romero five but other. Maybe. That I don't think he's going to be that patient I think causes zero patients with this fight. You. Can Eat shit my mam te up. But this is how board finds. If you watch them fight he doesn't wait. He just comes after you. And I decided expecting there. So. Yeah I think he's GonNa be an still. Chanting. Israel hoping for a good fight I agree and still but I'm hoping for closer fight a war where you look at these guys are two of the best of that division because I think they are. They're two of the best in that division. So looking forward to that fight. We're GONNA take another break for we get the hell out of here. We're GONNA talk box it when we come back after this break so you guys stay tuned we'll be right back. Football is finally over and and the NFL is back. 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Now, we're rounding it out with boxing and is go quick but. A couple of things to talk about I wanNA talk about it looks like Devin Haney has a fight for November seventh on your network and I'm actually excited it is him versus Gamboa and I think Imbo is more game than people give him credit for that tank fight showed me a lot. To this only people are GonNa size-wise Jimbo Dan Lewis shot I kinda get it within like. Still to tank eleven Arousa get rid of him any on one leg own leg so I think if you're Haiti and you look inside because. The rumor is can't confirm nor deny Gary. Russell. Judy was offered like one and a half million for the fighting down the rematch clause. Now, I can name a million reasons why Russell will turn the fire down because we keep fighting and being associated with Haymond their benefit. But that's a good fight, but it didn't need to happen this. is a fight the devastating can use to say, Hey, tank. I got rid of him fashion you. That's all this is. But Gamboa's length smarter to be dangers still a dangerous fighter. I agree, and that's that's the smartest way to look at as. You know what? If you guys won't fight me? I will fight the people that you and beat them in a better manner. and. Then there's guys like well, you have Luke Campbell and rank RCA coming up in both of them would like shot. At Haney going forward so This is better than sitting around doing nothing and it is a guy still with the name. So I, this is a good fight. Be were acting tank beat the brakes off it. He didn't I mean he hung around. that. All the final one lake. Got To get a mess I. mean terrorists Crawford beat the brakes off. Yes but but is an angry little man. The that's that's that's GonNa be the brakes off of tank did not that. So that's a you know I think there's a good fight for Haney still. So Young, it's a step up in competition. and. That's all you can ask for Ryan. Garcia's probably taking a bigger step up but finding new Campbell at this point. But they're all taking step up steps up. The cool like chill these these guys are young. So I liked that fight. other fight that you guys actually have this weekend old man Chavez versus the young bump shot or excuse me and the young bump Chavez fighting on the same card. I'm going to go out and say that I'm probably going to be more entertain entertained by Julio Cesar Chavez than I am of junior. Judo probably lose. Junior Ken Loses fight this guy who was last person to be Cannella amateurs. And I think everybody just wants to see Chavez home. So we look at this fight like man. I'm going to do my job is my look good be fucking around either hitting a bag. Match Office Chavez senior versus. Are. So. This is the third exhibition in Mexico is a big deal Chavez all shit our forty one. And people like Oh it's just an exhibition fight but the reality is, is there really any such thing as an exhibition fight or the moment that you get hit in an exhibition you go it's more focused on heard me. and. Then you start fighting. Tough is told us. At Zone that fighting in headgear is hurts more to get hit with year than without which I think is a psychopath statement. But. It makes me think this is just wants to fight. So that fight might be wildly entertaining. I'm here for the other big fight of course, is the Charles Brothers on pay per view seventy, four, nine, thousand, nine. For this Charles Brothers Card. To tough. Ask. But Damn, these fights are good. Lulu No. This is not a tough. It's a terrible ask. The reason why the UFC works? Is because you'll see gives you enough good free shows to make you say, I could pay for this. This is a good fight I'll pay for it. Boxing doesn't do that. Boxing, is giving us the Charles Brothers who I'm not convinced or pay per view jaws right? These are very good fights on paper all of the. Have Tanko sorrow the brain of Figueroa fi because some euro fight Mario borrow says on the car and Luiz Nary, they've and even Daniel Muslim card. Seventy five fucking dollars you serious. About seventy five, the same night UFC is having won their biggest stars fight. Komo? Moment. Thirty bucks the by. Seventy. Five dollars no, no. This is going to do poorly. True but it comes down to you can make a little more money than putting it on network television. Yeah I mean you've got to pay the fighters right? Like that's the idea here. But if this thing bombs which I. Do One hundred thousand bucks. No No? Seventy. Would be a success. That's The optics make you sound that? Goes a lot like do bars even by this as saying like the bars are buying the UFC card. Like people aren't turning out for this. Bars. So when the COVID. Let's just say the numbers come out right the numbers come out. There is no figure under one hundred, thousand, one, hundred, thousand buys if people are GonNa, go man car did well. He's GonNa Laugh at this shit know and then gain whites gifty Dana Whiteson have a field day with this. Because he's a he's about to blow this car out but I like this. This is a really good I'm watching them both obviously, it's my job of. Multiple screens. And I really like this fight car from top to bottom for the first time. I'll probably never say this again. For the first time we have a boxing car from top to bottom this better than UFC card. All easily. Easily. Sixth title fights. televise like the name recognition on here because it's not like Charlie rose fighting a bom like Jamal is not defending his title against the Bom. Sergei Tanko who pushed triple g to the limit Yup. That's it. To be real both Charles can lose on Saturday. Both of Strew. This is a could ask card. I would say, let's go through so. Daniel. Versus Piano for Super Bantamweight title. Or excuse me the non title fight not. Always. Twelve Andrea physically for. Twelve ounce hundred I thought it was whatever. It might be five at night. On Win. Ruins never really in a bad fight so that's But? No, but they're going to be throwing them. It's not going to be a bad fight this. Action. I think it might be competitive early but I think pick remodeling yet and then Brandon Figaro versus Vasquez. In the next fight piggy fearing grows. His good. It's going to stop them. Yeah. Yeah. This is. Be. As, close you get a a showcase fight on this card. Yeah. and then Charles over is. The river? Chanko. fucking tough trial by decision because they're not going to let him lose a decision. But this ship prop my at I already. Know I'm scoring draw. Like I really know this could be six six is GonNa be a dogfight Charles. GonNa. Come out hot. Channels GonNa win those middle rounds, and then Charles GonNa steal like round nine barely and eleven. And it's going to be six CHARL better. Hope for a flash knockdown in round one through four to really break it up. But I I have drawn my mind and he's GonNa win the cards nine three. Okay. So here's the issue. I think Jamaal Charles Smell and himself a little bit too much. All. These come in this fight. Extremely confident. And if he comes in extremely confident. Coming off the victory against Denis Hogan nobody's GonNa Shit about. Who a lot of people thought beat Hymie Mongia but that's another story this entirety. If he comes out too confident he's going to lose this fight. He may get hurt. I like Charl. But I still think Charles lots prove. Especially, when sixty Yeah I mean again. Dennis Hogan. Makov. Jay Rock. Austin trout. Canine. Bundy's. Yeah. He's not like a world beater too. I mean, Jay rock fight is the best showing. We see that that was the best one we've seen that was a fifty four. Yard. Surgeries, IRV Chang goes going to be his toughest test. He's GonNa. have to show me something. I'M GONNA Pick Charlie to win because I think he's going to be smart. Enough I like an idiot. But. If his man if he takes a foot off the gas for one second or if he just looks past the ripped tinkle, just a little bit, he's going to get hurt. Yeah she going to be tough. It's GONNA be. Tough. That's going to be close again. Yeah. I'll give it to Charles because I don't think they'll let them lose a decision. No Way. I'm not picking any type stoppage his end though. Surrogates toughly, your don't see that happen. and then we kind of reset again on the pay per view started holding other pay per view card. Casamayor vs do Mica W., B. O. Championship. Kasim. Your. Winning this, but should be a nice little pallet cleanser exciting action. Yeah I agree yes. They might all right then nary versus Amana vacant. WBZ title. Lose, really. This is Kinda. Know near he's going to hurt Alameda. Agree. I'm just looking at this now. I. Give me near. Dump definitely taking near. If as long as he makes wait, he's good. So, you think I mean this. This fight probably fights Brandon Figueroa. Next. Probably. Some type of unification fight I mean it only sets up. Easily. For the two. So nearly, Figaro it'd be one Helluva fight. give me Neri. I don't think he's. There has to be some stoppages on the ship. I think near. Give Me Mary by knockout somebody did not all of us going to the judges off Figaro I. Think Boat Races Basket. So. All right. So we got nearly being. Made a net one, and then the main event main event will you did Mario Boroughs? Oh I skipped over borrows. Selfish. Yeah yeah borrows with that fight our tales he didn't look. Review, though no, that's free. TV. Unfortunately. Well, fortunately. Mario's has lots of prove. He's tall rangy very big for junior welterweight. They didn't look great in his last outing things style Brian Carl but he's got to show people something now I think he he's aware these now on the pay per view so he needs to get people to buy shit so he needs to obliterate somebody. Yes borrows and to me that's the most open division in boxing right now. Is One. Forty. So I if you can really stand out there you're in a good spot. So I think this is a good way for him to you know really dipping toes in and water and see. Okay. Let me put myself in line for higher spot and we've seen you know PBC top bring business if top rank eventually has undisputed champion that does not Ramirez. My bounce in vacate all belts but it's very possible to. Be a fight to away from a shot at undisputed championship so. we'll see how that goes for him. Main Event Tomorrow Ger Mel Carlo Versus Rosario Oh Jason Rosario in the main event unification fight. I'll. Take Melton? This do. Your metals overly impressive. Ever necessarily know last knockout was cool. But he was he was in a dogfight before. Last knockout you know. So Jason, just came off a fifth round stoppage, Jay Rock right and the only five. Your loss was against Daniel gala more remember because I was there as a Samson. And he knocked the style. Yeah. Invasion. Since then. I'm not entirely sure who is who in this fight. because. WHO's the hunter and WHO's the hunted? Recitals chant. Right. So, slave owner of two belts. Yeah. But who chasing who in this fight that's going to be the maker Clearly Charles has more to lose. But. Rosario can't come into this fight thinking he has to defend his titles. He has been thinking I have to beat the hell out of journal Charleville. Definitely. Definitely. You can't let this get to the cards. No, it has to be decisive and I don't know what's going on with your mental like he like Tony Harrison fights. He. Thought, he was losing both here. That the knockout, the counterpunch was beautiful. I thought Tony was winning that fight before him. I'm going to your. I must say both Charles come out victorious. I. Think that Your Mail has a very good opportunity to stop. Sorry. If he plays a smart if he plays. If. Allows Rosario to be the hunter and let him come to him. Otherwise it'll be a long night. So picture old win I think it'll be hopefully it'd be a good fight. All right. So we're both sticking Charles to win. I'm giving both Charles by decision. Some good money. I'm seeing the odds on this. Those good money on these dogs though yeah man Rosario Plus Three hundred. Take. Yeah I mean for ground parlay him in there every Janko. Total hunt down might be a nice. Little. Combo. But Yeah. It's great. Great night of fights it's going to be really good. This has been a long show. It's nice to have you back. I'm glad that you know your old man elements are gone. You are in the new crave your comfy. 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134 - Napoleon MF'n Bonaparte!

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

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134 - Napoleon MF'n Bonaparte!

"Legendary French emperor Napoleon motherfucking Bonaparte s- that is the man we're talking about today. An important stork will figure who knew he would be an important store can figure he wants wrote histories a set of lies that people have agreed upon even when I'm gone I shall remain in people's minds the star of their rights. My name will be the war cry of their efforts the motto of their hopes. Dude, had no shortage of confidence which is part of why he became the namesake of the Napoleon complex a complex characterized by overly aggressive or domineering social behavior carries the implication that such behavior is compensatory for the subjects stature nailed that word that complex is also known as little man syndrome and short man's complex and little fella. Baby feet. Affliction? I I did make up that last one. But ironically, the pull in was not short more on that later short taller average, the do left. His Mark on the history books in a big way as a military. Commander Napoleon fought and won more battles than almost anyone else. In history. His campaigns are still studied in military academies today. He was a strategical genius. He also helped discover the Rosetta Stone, and he was directly responsible for doubling the size of the United States Bonaparte even came up with the system of odd addresses on one side of the street and even addresses on the other the Poland's life is actually so we'll documented it seems that only God has more books written about him than Napoleon. But with all this coverage. There's there's a great deal of divisiveness. Should he be remembered as good or evil Napoleon might best be remembered for his temperament he was arrogant, and cruel, but also incredibly charismatic and able to inspire both his troops and the imaginations of his followers he had a gift for leadership, and despite the vast amount of literature dedicated to Napoleon, the former emperors life is shrouded myth mostly because his many many enemies didn't want to give him credit for his victories. And also because Napoleon himself was shrewd propagandist who loved to minimize his failures. He was always mindful of his legacy. Understood the power of myth building. He would write and publish articles about himself that were sometimes the exact opposite of what had historically happened. He believes his destiny was to be a God king and fuck the haters dude would crush it today on social media. He knew how to fake it till you make it how to control the narrative had a control perception order to project the reality to you want to be known for for this, very French suck. We're going to look at the many reasons why Napoleon is still a household name across the globe over two hundred years after his death. The polling is sometimes called the father of modern Europe. He streamline legal codes across the continent. Shook up politics fight for religious tolerance reshape the world and his life is our folks today on this historical European edition of time suck. Happy Monday time suckers, you glorious meets acts. Thanks for ten in this week gathering of the cult of the curious. Do you have your robes on? Do you get your ceremonial swords in hand? Have you made your sacrifice to pray delusive FINA to be spared? Her tricks and the helped instead of harmed. Have you left out a bowl of good boy trades for bojangles praise him? Okay. Good said your background music to triple m yacht. 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You know? So you can put a little air banjo into your Easter egg suck or Easter egg hunt this year that's in the store. You gotta order by April seventeenth to guarantee arrival before Easter Sunday, and if you ever have any problems with your orders, just do not hesitate to Email Kate at access apparel. I think it's on the shop five definitely in the episode description, and she'll take care of you. Okay. That's it. That's it. Now, let's get a Stoorikhel. Let's give French. Let's get ambitious as tackle the man the myth the legend that was Napoleon. Motherfucking bonaparte. All I thought I knew about Napoleon before this episode was he was Rochefort pretty angry about it dress like French French, he just like French brench now dress, I prince, and it was a French dictator Fahd lot partying wants to say that he travelled through time in a phone booth to eat ice cream and go to a mall in California. But that part of me should best be ignored. Did you know, by the way that it was just now a few weeks ago that Bill and Ted three is being written right now. It's supposed to be filmed this summer, it'll star original stars, Alex winters counter, Reeves and everything works out. It's gonna hit the theaters in the summer of two thousand twenty and Bill and Ted's. Excellent. Venture came out in one thousand nine hundred nine thirty years ago. Oh shit and canoe Reeves he's seventy one years old now it's fucking bananas to me because it's not true. He's fifty four time flies though. And they're not a sponsor, but they should be. But they probably won't be because there's a very good chance that movie is going to be absolutely terrible. Right. Let's be honest who dude that's gonna play at fifty four. Anyway, Napoleon stay focused comments Bonaparte, rightly or wrongly compared to other tyrants in that light is viewed as kind of a Hitler esque kind of sociopath guy who declared himself kind of God king more times than you would like to see in a humble will adjust. It man of the people type ruler on the Polian preferred to. He was he was following in the footsteps of Julius Caesar Alexander. The great other guys who are who are a little light on humility to other guys would make great sucks, by the way, regardless of whether you think he was evil or think he was a hero or some mixture of both which is usually where we find the truth his historical significance cannot be overstated. We're gonna follow the timeline of his life and chievements for the most part, but we will take some time to delve into his romances the French revolution. How his battle with Haiti completely altered the trajectory of our world. The point is is a crazy example of what one single person can do in a lifetime, really mind blowing. If you focus on that aspect in this story, one person born like anyone else one sold trapped in the same fragile mate. Sex skin is the rest of us who wasn't preordained for greatness. You know, the universe. Didn't tap him on the shoulder when he's like, you all you gotta do is coast, bro. You're just gonna fucking dominate. Nope. You know, and then he led a life. That would significantly changed the lives of millions and millions and millions of people. So fascinating. You know, the people who so many instances could have just given up could've stopped when things got really tough or just never started in the first place, but they didn't they just kept making shit happen. Just force of will right forces of nature disguises, everyday people Napoleon lived during a tumultuous time when Europeans were murdering each other. For liberty committing coups fighting with the church and in France, quite literally chopping a lot of people's heads off Viva LA revolution. And he somehow kept his own head on his shoulders despite fighting fighting fighting fighting and fighting some more now, let's hop into our time suck time line and see how lazy we will feel about what we've accomplished by comparison at the end of this episode fucking Napoleon. Wrap on those boots soldier marching down. A time sucker time line. Napoleon was born Napoleon day. One OPA always fifteen seventeen sixty nine in a yucca Corsica. It was a fourth of eleven children of Carlo Bonaparte and Leticia Roman Lino just three months before Napoleon's birth. Actually, you know what I see fourth of love. I think it was actually a eight kids. So I'm a there. There's a lot of conflicting sources so pas on the eleventh perhaps that it's gonna come up and a little bit and go with what I'm going to say here soon, just three months before Napoleon's birth to French had NFL Corsica with military force. And then his father, a member of a noble Italian family, which I think is interesting I need know that about Napoleon the actually has a talion heritage as opposed to French really when you get down to his father remain on good terms with the French when he took over Corsica and Napoleon would describe his entrance into the world this way. Into Zia, by way of my models of Jonah, almost suffocated whom I v was twelve four time on my Moses bawdy Bozen, I did not die. My mother's nipple was placed in my mouth and is sold opponent, haughtily and flies. My mobile's. New. No. You didn't talk that. I talked it makes you feel happy. If he did he's that I was born in Corsica or as one when Corsica was perishing thirty thousand Frenchmen spewed onto our shores, drowning the throne of liberty and waves of blood the cries of the dying the groans of the oppressed, and tears of despair surrounded my cradle from the hour of my birth. No short on drama, this guy, all Napoleon drama pants on polio's parents Carlo and Latisha considered minor aristocrats. They own multiple homes address like silly hat wearing assholes which was customary at the time. They look like uncomfortable powder dolls the prep time for leaving the house back then must have been in saying multiple clothing layers wigs make up a lot of time spent in the mirror practicing, looking snooty and above everything Napoleon's parents look boozy, but they actually weren't that wealthy with eight kids that Bonaparte families struggled to keep up appearances the struggle helped developed Polian. Ideals about meritocracy. Let the past be open to talent. He would say the pinnacle of his power. I do love that thought America Crecy very hard to actually implement. But theoretically, I think the best way to run a country or run a business, right? Let each employment position be filled by the most talented applicant measure Napoleon actually did that. We'll look at that later. He seemed to go on to create more of a who has kiss my ass the hottest autocracy, but I like to. It's Corsica was an impoverished island nation. Well, before the French took over it's located in the Mediterranean between Italy and France with a population between one hundred and two hundred or one hundred thousand one hundred twenty thousand inhabitants court Corsicans had seen their fair share of invading armies, excuse me over the centuries from Romans and Moore's to Genoese, the core skins had fought many battles. And they'd won a lot of them. But France developed into one of the world's most modern armies and the Koreans were easily brought under the French flag in seventeen sixty nine again the year of Napoleon's birth prior to the French takeover. Corsica had enjoyed a brief fourteen years of independence after seceding from the Republic of Genoa independent in an independent nation, primarily located in the northwestern in peninsula's coast prior to Genoese rule Corsica had belonged to the carcinogens Cartha Carthaginians. I think as I say that Romans Greeks and others during his long history of human civilization, according to the ancient fifth century. ABC Greek historian Herodotus the world's original historian, at least when we know about the Phoenicians originally settled the island sometime prior to the fifth century BC a lot of people been there for a long time. The French take over the many courses can rebels who identified Moore's Italian French fled to the mountains where we continue to fight on for years against French occupation. The police parents did not join that fight when the time came for them to fight or submit Napoleon's father decided he was best for similar assimilation with new French rulers. He put on you know, some of their sweet powdered wigs, but on some silver buckled shoes cheeses, drink their wine. And for this Napoleon, never forgave, his father, he considered. His father's decision betrayal to the Corsican people, which is pretty ironic. I think for one of the greatest French nationalists in history to be mad at his dad for bowing down to the French. But you know, in the polling, was course to conversed Frenchman second HILI HILI really loved France when he was running it Napoleon's dad was born. March twenty nine seventeen Forty-six and I watch go Corsica in seventeen sixty four Carlo married Latisha. And after getting a lot of degree from the university of PISA. He would go on to practice law and be elected to the Corsican assembly who'd be an assessor to the Royal court for a yacht show. Still the biggest city on the island with about seventy thousand people and Carlo dreamed big for his kids. He put a lot of ambition and children who was his dream that his his kids will be recognized as nobles in the French system. Many years later when Napoleon was crowning himself. The first emperor of France had seen a millennium. He did say to his brother Joseph Bonaparte, if only our father could see us now. And he said probably some French equivalent of like, yeah, we did a, bro. Fucking shit, bro. I'll Carlo into Polian relationship was rocky the future, emperor, adored and admired his his mother. Oh, mother Latisha Latisha was born in August twenty four seventeen fifty also. And I got yo she was simple frugal in her taste devout and thoughts you help binder children to the life. Of course, IKA as a mother she was without equal. He said he praised her strength and toughness and said all of his success is from her Napoleon also oddly described his mom as not being the most physically attractive woman saying, quote, she had the head of a man on the body a woman. That's great. I'm sure mom loved that. That's exactly what every mother and just relax prove it. Every woman in general wants to hear you can't go wrong with compliment like that. My mother is a wonderful woman has a big immediate head of a man owns the body of the woman. She has a how you say butter face. It is God a place the hairy lumpy head of lumberjack. All's the body of a bikini model. She gave birth to eight children was actually pregnant thirteen times back. When medicine was was basically chanting in washing your hands and slap it on some leeches. Maybe that's how she got that man head or maybe Napoleon meant the mind of a mand. Maybe some kind of chauvinistic compliment back when nobody challenge chauvinism like many families John history, especially before the advent of birth control. The goal of the Bonaparte was the kick out as many kids as humanly possible keeping up with the Joneses used to involve just shoot now babies until your vagina waved. White flag. Teaser was champion birther her child bearing hips just pumped out Joseph in seventeen sixty eight Napoleon in seventeen sixty-nine Lucian in seventeen seventy five Lisa in seventeen seventy seven Louis in seventeen seventy eight Pauline seventeen eighty Caroline seventeen eighty two. And and Bob in seventeen eighty four knows it was Giral in seventeen ninety four. Napoleon's been is I nine years in Corsica do normal things you'd expect a a possible budding psychopath with the God complex to do bullying. His teachers crushing enemies declaring himself the first head of his family. And and and and I think it's safe to say that neighborhood pets may have steered clear this dude, I don't resource to say he was cruel to animals, but it feels like he was a guy who probably kicked dog or twos. A kit. And on the web, you'll find a lot of things talking about how he wasn't terribly fond of cats, which is actually not true his nephew who become Napoleon. The third was afraid of cats and over time this feline fear became attributed to Napoleon the first bucket telephone game. That's what happens never to get the same name Napoleon. Excel does mad mass as a kid who's a mathematical talents that Matha those math skills later. Help military strategizing he was considered domineering. Not a great trait for for a young boy. As a student, but awesome. Awesome trade for somebody with emperor ambitions, some of his if his teachers recommended that he joined the military throughout his early schooling. And that's exactly what would happen. Bonaparte began his military training at the age of eight after reading about Napoleon's earlier. It sounds like he he was practicing bayonet moves at recess while other kids were sticking gum into their desks. Little Napoleon was probably formulating kickball strategies using sons whose art of war of the world is is pretty lucky didn't have bombs and planes or the earth might look very different right now. We'd we'd have he would have just taken all over. We'd have flat Napoleon IRS telling us about an ice wall. Circling Napoleonic era. During the winter of seventeen seventy eight will America's still celebrate new station status and figuring out how to run a country and celebrate fourth July with sparklers little nine year old Polian leaves Corsica to be educated at a private military academy in France known as Bryn it was his father Carlo who managed to get Napoleon scholarship. Napoleon could hardly speak French corps skins at the time. Still spoke Italian and the French kiss made fun of him, which I'm sure added fuel to his fire. Right. His desire to one day rise above them. All he certainly field his pride and course, can heritage and Bonaparte had said at that time to have dreamed of liberating his homeland. He's been five years in brianna before he was able to go back home. And of course, go for a visit. That's fucking crazy to me at nine at night. I think it would have broken me a dine. How does that has not not make you a little cold hearted? When nine years old. You're just you're taking away for your family. You don't get to see for five years. I mean, we're all familiar with like a mama's boys when I was nine. Was grandma's. Boy, the sun rose and set on sweet grandma Betty Saturday. Sleepovers grandma's house every Saturday Night Live ice cream. WWF wrestling with grandpa, Portland Napoleon had grandparents do it was shipped off nine years old when anybody that he knew for five years man for so much harsher in centuries past no way, I would send Cuyler in Monroe anywhere along with a few weeks. Maybe I'm just emotionally weak. But it makes me sad. A little bit seventy four the police. Fifteen years old. He's promoted to the Royal Military academy in Paris powdery this operation, God king. You know, really kind of gets put in motion. He he he begins his military academy life. There's a second lieutenants when he starts his apprenticeship at the best in the best r Tillery unit artillery. I think I add people say at an extra syllable in there. The best artillery instead of artillery unit in the French army the following year and Napoleon is just sixteen. There's some trouble at home. His father dies of cancer on February twenty four th seventeen. Five Napoleon misses a ton of schoolwork in the wake of his father's death and ended up graduating forty second out of fifty eight students. Not great. However, he he did still become the first course again to ever graduate from the French military academy pretty great, and he was considered an expert at citing a gun, and it deploying troops. Maybe even a little more. Great. So we handled it throughout Bonaparte early military career. He feared that coming from underprivileged roots, the not coming from a noble family or noble enough would prevent him from promotion into the higher ranks of the military that he desired at the time pretty much only French nobles made at the top of the military feeling uncertain about his military future. He briefly lost focus on military domination and for a little time dreamed of becoming a famous. Author instead, and he would actually go on to write a short story, of course, IKA and also a romance novella that would not be published until after his death called zone and Eugenie it currently has four to five stars and Amazon. If you want to check it out, I previewed it to me, it looks absolutely fucking terrible. But but maybe like another talking about revolution killing in the name of. Yes. If we're not for the French revolution. We would probably not know the name Napoleon Bonaparte his romance. Now it wasn't deck. The French revolution made his rise to power possible. The French monarchy it civil wars and political violence erupting everywhere. It was also fighting basically every other nation in Europe at the same time France was able to pull this is one of the world's most advanced nations at that time. It was quite wealthy and powerful and the time of king Louis the sixteenth and Queen Marie Antoinette. But it was also terribly unstable and heads would soon literally roll seventeen ninety two. At the age Twenty-three Napoleon took a leave of absence from the French military to travel back to Corsica while he was away. France continued to terrorize itself dirt visit imperative Peres to pull in witnessed French riders. Storm the castle make Louis the sixteenth whereas silly hat and defeat by August. The king had been to throne Napoleon understood the rapidly changing order of France in Europe. And he wanted to be part of it saw opportunities to start with yet its sites on a set on on rising to local power via some Corsican politics. Napoleon becomes a tenant, and of course, can national guard sales home rally, some pro French troops on the island. He was no longer course can nationalist after spending years of shouted in France. And he fights against the governor. Of course, IKA Felipo Tonio, plus qualley -oday Poway boyhood hero of his nother dude with way too long a fucking name. God now one Greg Smith in this story and lay kicked Napoleon's fucking ass. And. Polian. Supporters were exiled didn't go as well as he'd hoped start off your while. They're home was being sacked by the locals and defeat. Napoleon? His mother three brothers and three sisters took their belongings got on a boat sailed away Napoleon's first time being kicked out of the country for life. And it wouldn't be last nother. Interesting moment, this story to me Napoleon has just been kicked out of his beloved home-country for life. Right. The fight has caused his family his home. He's twenty three. I'm guessing his mom and siblings are a little unhappy. You know with what he's done just what the fuck Polian. You've ruined our tire lives. What can you play? Nice with the governor. We could be on our sweet little island watching a beautiful Corsican sunset, right? Drink some sort of sweet Corsican beverage, which for some reason in my mind is Capri sun. We could not be homeless. Now, you fucking moron. Lot of people would have folded in that situation or at least given up having insane ambition, right. I think a lot of people would have just been like shit. Okay. I gotta do. I gotta do now to make sure the family has enough. Survive a scale at back, but a lot of people don't have the steel will of Napoleon motherfucking Bonaparte. Yeah. Liking hate this guy being this episode. You cannot deny oh, man. Just the willpower. It's incredible to me on June tenth seventeen Ninety-three Napoleon with barely any money or possessions is life in shambles rejoins, the French army France was still fighting, but the king Queen and thousands of nobles political leaders and clergy had already lost their heads. Great opportunities. Yeah. We're we're to be taken right now. There's a lot of turmoil in France in seventeen ninety three the Jaakko bins were the most extreme of the various revolutionary groups at the time to their leader Maximilien Robespierre had become friends as temporary ruler. As head of what was called the directory among his first decisions was to suspend the French constitution and under his rule, you know chop a lot of heads off the battle between democracy and monarchy is full in full swing over two hundred fifty thousand people. Would lose their lives in the French revolution. And we'll look further into the into that in a bit for now. Let's let's continue with Napoleon rise to power back to. Yes. So seventeen Ninety-three Bonaparte now twenty four year old officer in the French army sent to southern France in December to take back from the allied troops. The French port of LAN harbor the allies consisted that time of troops from Britain Spain Naples, Sicily Sardinia, French loyalists, the French army consisted of around thirty two thousand troops the allies had about twenty two thousand soldiers, plus thirty seven British ships, thirty two Spanish ships and a few others. And while young Napoleon was not the highest ranking officer when he arrived historians noted. It was obvious. He was the superior officer in terms of military, mental might some stories go as far as saying the other officers into lawn were completely inept compared to Napoleon. He began to lay out a strategy to retake the fort his superiors were initially skeptical of the plan until another. For more qualified officer came in looked at it. And basically said oh shit. Oh shit. This good this good. We work with this. Oh, give me a rock hard war Boehner right now. And they went with the police method in the enforce allied. Soldiers were killed at least ten of the British navy ships were destroyed while an anchor to save the rest of their fleet the allies retreated the French lost about two thousand soldiers in a number of their own ships. But they won they won the battle. Napoleon himself was wounded in the leg by a bayonet. But but victory again was his his plan worked and a little fame started his bread is him being the the hero of the day in this this battle, and I find it interesting that he he clearly didn't just plan the battle and then sit back and watch the fighting. I mean that doesn't happen. If you get wounded in leg with a bayonet. An unnamed sergeant of the Royal Irish Regiment, fighting on behalf of the British was the person who stabbed him dude was a musket lengths away. And since the polling didn't die that day. I'm guessing that do did sources don't say, but it's pretty easy to infer that game. It can you imagine having that life experience guy running at you in the heat a battle. There's muskets firing by the thousands cannons firing continually from the surrounding land from the ships out in the harbor. You can literally smell the gun powder. The blood and the air smokey from all the firing, right? You can hear the desk screams of hundreds of men, and then some mother fucker is charging you with a bayonet runs it into your leg. No. I was not nice. It's way today. Right. Breaking off fucking Jackson the fate. Whatever the intensity, I've never had an experience in my life. That is five percent as intense as the experiences. He must have had just that one day. The battle of two harbor Mark police first victory on the battlefield despite not technically being in command guaranteed advancement up the ranks right now. He makes it to bridge. Dear general to long harbor will be his first encounter with England nappy as last English going to be real thorn in his side, the people of England get to know. And now start to start to hate Napoleon. His name would eventually be used as kind of the name of a bogeyman to scare British children. Their newspapers went up trolling him constantly after Napoleon later commissioned paintings that depicted him as a Roman God like, you know, war-leader the British cartoonists would would portray him as small and weak in that works. So well, the British were so good at their propaganda. That is why so many people think you short still today when in all actuality who was a little above average in height for his time part of the complication regarding his height and part of why some people also thought he was short is the French and British used at different measurement system at the time. And polling in the French system the way that they would measure things just a little bit differently. He would he'd be listed as five to. But that wasn't five to in today's version of five two inches. It would've been actually a lot closer to five five or five six which is short by today's standards. You know, I think Joe Paisley's actually like four eight or something like that. But it was it was average average for the time average for the time little above average, actually. Crazy their propaganda was affective over two hundred years ago that many still believe it today. I pay. Are you listen out there? I feel now I feel how what do you like what do you like five you're taller? He's five nine he signed yet. Okay. All right. They they're propaganda was so effective over two hundred years ago, and he's still believing today, which is why we research this shit. Right. Right. He this is why it's important to dig into stories. Find out if what you believe in Intel another's your whole life is actually true or not. And what we learn here time and time again time suck if you're like we love when you send in your corrections. But sometimes it's actually the resist many children of that. And sometimes there's a tone of like, how could you miss that? Because there is history is not there wasn't like some objective arbiter of truth out there being like, this is exactly what happened. It's people riding with different agendas. You know, think about the media today? How polarized how slanted is on both sides. And how how manipulative and I feel like, you know, it's always just been that way. So man gotta gotta dig a second hard to get a higher percentage of truth on October fifth seventeen ninety five to Poland got a chance to earn. A bit of trust from the French directory. The five member council now in charge of the chaotic French government. He was called into repel an attack by thousands of angry royalists people wanted the royalty back in charge and national guardsmen who were against the new revolutionary government because yeah, France was a fucking dumpster fire of a country in seventeen ninety five chaos and right after fighting the British in his Spanish Napoleon now ask to fight his own people. And he does with gusto. The man was not above brutality on the battlefield even when it came to his own people in this case, he was dealing with the protesting French mob. And he decided that the best way to kind of quell, the mob would be to fire cannons into the crowd, and he killed around one hundred people with a single round of cannon blasts. And that ended the uprising they were like, okay shit. Right. Didn't know you will take it that far. Also did not make him popular amongst common presence, as you can imagine imagine something today, you mentioned that the White House like all right enough fucking fire in the vital role of kittens against protestors. My started revolution. But the people protesting that moment like, okay. Okay. We're we're fine. We'll leave. The directory rewards him by making him now full general and commander of the army of the interior. Napoleon later recalled the they put the matter in my hands and then set to discuss whether or not I had the right to repel force by force. Do you intend to wait until the people give you permission to fire at them? You have appointed me, and I am compromised. It is only fair that I should do the business. My own way on that. I left the lawyers to drown themselves in their own. Flood of words and got the troops on the move. And I lived does motherfuckers up. He didn't say that last part. But that's to me where the quote was going. He wrote his brother with e sentiments he said the enemy attacked us. We killed a great many of them. Now. All his quiet. I could not be happier. He didn't he didn't feel bad. It only twenty six years old. The Polian had gotten project God king back on schedule three years after being kicked out of Corsica having his family home taken from him. He's now charge of the French army. Right. He didn't he didn't let that shit. Slow him down a bit before we delve further into Poland's rise to power, many, exciting tragic and bloody wars you'll will embark on with basically all of Europe and beyond. 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They just traveled to one more of a one way we're gonna find out the future emperor had to be a very patient fabir as did a lot of people back, then his romantic life considered. Mainly of two wives and third engagement. He also had some mistresses, but maybe not as many mistresses other successful and powerful Frenchman because it was reported that a lot of women found him a little off putting his second wife Archduchess, Mary Louise is believed to have said something to the effect that the mere sight of him would be the worst form of torture. So, you know, did wasn't for everybody, which I take it believe I get that his first wife Josephine well-known aristocrat in Paris. She was embodiment of of French party culture, like old timey Perez Hilton Josephine was six years older than the in already had two teenagers by the time they met so like older Perez Hilton. He was he was immediately smitten with her she didn't think he was completely repulsive. At least not initially. He was powerful and persistent, and she ended up marrying him Josephine was the widow of another revolutionary Alexander day bull Arnie who had been imprisoned and beheaded as so many people were at that time, by way of the guillotine. She was also arrested in prison. And almost beheaded escaped with her head when the French revolution's reign of terror ended Josephine met Napoleon in seventeen ninety five. She was already the mistress of a man who's arguably the most powerful Frenchman in England Paul Francois Jean Nicolas Borras, really hope that son of a bitch. Didn't insist on a being addressed by his full name. These these guys just call you Paul Newman. Oh, you Macomia Paul trough wall who so Nicolas Jacques, but us asshole. And then randomly this, dude. Encouraged Napoleon to marry his mistress super weird to me just you know, how does that? How does that happen? Hey, do they man. I can't talk to you. Good talk to you get real with you for a second. Look lowbrow tired of bang and his chick on the side. All right. Is there anyway, you could please marry her? So I can get her off of my dick. I don't know how that happens. So what sort of husband was Napoleon? I will. He certainly traveled a lot for work with those concrete such he also wrote a lot of interesting love letters as you'll see in a moment. Josephine would go on to create a number of public scandals for Napoleon excessive partying, a very public affair with another officer early in the marriage. He May June polling may have convinced her to shorten her name, which is kind of a weird thing. But he clearly didn't control her Josephine was was also a bit on the fiscally irresponsible side and by a bit. I mean instead of buying some expensive shoes she would buy one of the most lavish palaces in France. Furnished it with gold everything then buy expensive shoes. Josefina Napoleon were married in a civil ceremony on March nine seventeen ninety six two days later, Napoleon deploys war, and then he would write to her often. And it is some creepy ish should ever, partly because of the actual words. He writes could be the translation to be fair, partly because of his massively wavering, emotions and mainly because keep this in mind newly. Josephine is not answering any of these letters. Just so weird to be abused. Keep fighting over and over, and they don't get back to them like you ever you ever dated somebody. And then and then you end it, and then have them continue to text you. It's so sad. Every time it gets creepy. When like after months, you know, you look at the text thread. It's this long insane series of just unanswered messages, which doing sexy just thinking about you. We should meet up soon. Nothing. No reply nothing for a week. Hey, saw you were just in Kansas City. I was I was out of the week before L O L anyways, just thinking to you hope you're well nothing for like a month. Hey, you wanna see queens age? I know you love him. I have an extra ticket hit me up. Nothing like two months and just a series of drunk texts late one night so fucked up he'd never get back to me, you could at least say high fifty minutes later. I thought you read my message text me back asshole, thirty minutes there. Fuck you, you're so dead to me in two days that are hey sorry about the other night to which you know, I get LL hope you well. And just not for months. This thing happened. No part of me understands. Why people do that if they're not writing if you're listening if they're not writing new back from move on move on with your life? It's over Oregon's if that doesn't work for you take some solace in the fact that Napoleon was just as two nations and creepy as you are. Remember that romance novel Napoleon wrote it was a fictional account of his life with a with a previous lover, a former fiance, disarray, Terry apparently, read something like the following snippets of his correspondence with Josephine in one letter Bonny Bonaparte rights, I hope before too long to cross you in my arms and cover you with a million keys in as Zo beneath the acquit. Beneath the equator million cases. I think he's thinking about going down. I think it's what he wants to do. Right. In a different letter as he's begging her to join him in Milan. He says Shelby alone off alway come. Oh, come on you. You are going to be here. Not me in my own. It's own my breasts on my mouth, take wing and com. Coma. Kiss on your heart and one mush down Loa much Loa. He for sure wants Downer. Can't wait for that cuddling much lower down. Maybe he wants to toss her salad. I don't know. Maybe he maybe he's looking for that back pussy. Yikes. By the way, rim jobs at the end of the eighteenth century. No, thank you that does not appeal to me on any level. I mean they had bass, but they didn't have touch. Our didn't have antibacterial soap. And they didn't have Brazilian waxes. Another letter reads, how happy I will be faculty. This you at yawn dressy, the little firm why breasts the adorable face hand tied up when the scoff and then his letters start to start to hit it a little bit of clinginess, you'll tia's raw meal, rezone and inflame. I've lied believe me does nosy my power to have a single thoughts, which is not as the or a wish I could not reveal to the historian seem to agree that these explicit letters. But he she continually said standings giving these like a few snippets from so many letters, and they think turn Josephine off just too much. Right. And then the drunken text by horse continued. You know, I I write you my beloved one very often, you write very little you are wicked and naughty naughty as much as you. I'll fickle. He's faithful to deceive us phone attend to love up the pole in continues to ride right? She continues to not right back without Josephine without the insurance of her love, what is left upon the earth. He says, but like all good romantic correspondence involving a dictator things. Do get a bit more aggressive when it gets pissed off, you know, at do adorable Josephine one of these nights, you'll dole will open with a great noise is a jealous person. You will find me on your arms? Right. Sounds a little like a threat. He's not happy continues the rights. I don't love you not at all on the contrast. I detest you. He writes, your naughty guk. Foolish slut. Was this whole time turned out? He just been sent him to the wrong address. Right. Finally that what makes it to the right ones or like like some other ladies just getting these messages over who is creepy you ever done that you ever tech somebody several times start to get really pissed out the pissed off. And then find out you just had the number like, they changed numbers or you wrote to number of down wrong, or whatever and yours been texting the wrong person. I have also done that super embarrassing, right? Really? Just fucking ghosted me. Now fucked up dude, this is not the this is not the right number. I don't know who you are pleased. Texting me. Awkward, but that's not what's happening here shoes. Did not feel like right in your husband. He starting to creep Arauz. No response is after so many attempts. He writes, his brother after his about his failing marriage. He writes the veil is torn it is sad. One in the same heart is torn by such conflicting feelings for one person. I need to be alone. I'm tired of grandeur all my feelings of dried up. I no longer care about my glory at twenty nine I've exhausted everything it's really hitting him hard, this this last letter causes a major embarrassing issue for Napoleon, the British intercept it and publish it in all of their newspapers. How embarrassing like this? This is basically the the eighteenth century equivalent of like a like a dick pic and leaked out to the press. Right. Like a little dick pic his enemy and entire nation. Having a good laugh at his expense. He's ridiculed pretty hard by the by the British people British humor at one time literally a weapon of war. Napoleon's marriage will continue for several more years despite concentrating on her part and her not. Giving him. A son was interesting. You know, you can be one of the most powerful men in the world and still have a wife who despises you in January eighteen ten after fourteen years of marriage to polling wants out, but a divorce will invoke the ire of the church. So instead, he has their marriage annulled on a strange religious technicality. Apparently somebody was wearing the wrong funny hat at the wedding. Which is the after a lot of exploration. They found out that that was a loophole. They could void the marriage. Napoleon would go on to marry a second time in March of eighteen ten this time, he married Maria little Viga Lee, Leopoldine Franziska, Theresa Josefa. Lucia not kidding. All of those names words in one name, aka Marie Louise duchess of Parma daughter of the Archduke Francis of Austria shape. Shifting multidimensional lizard, luminosity member of the Austrian hops bird world dynasty at David Ike has been trying to tell us. And again got the names her father Francis. Second actually was the very last a Holy Roman Emperor. That's why conspiracy theorists get all into the Habsburgs. And all is and a nice enough guy to be ended up being known by one name. A fun fact about this guy Napoleon will end up beating France's ass at the battle of Australis in eighteen o six and the lost will cost this guy. His holy Roman. Empire Napoleon will end it. And then later Napoleon takes his daughter ain't that a bitch. I can only imagine how much is due to hate Napoleon. He had to have known about the old love letters, write in a much more proper time here that this dude the man who beat him in battle taking his his his his crown was now going to cover his his daughters vagina in a million kisses but enough about Napoleon's love life back to what Napoleon does best firing cannons at people. Now, we return into police buddy military career. So as I stated earlier Bonaparte left for Italy two days ago after he was married to Josephine during Napoleon's voracious letter writing campaign to his not at all interested. First wife, he was also in charge of fighting his neighbors in the name of France in this case, Italy and Austria, he was appointed the commander in chief of the French army of Italy in March of seventeen ninety six twenty seven at the time is his military military, reputation. It's growing much much of his infamy his growing. Infamy comes from a battlefield metality the weapons and tactics of Napoleon's time quickly changing an independent passionately embraced new more destructive methods of warfare his willingness to cross more lines have been drawn for centuries gave them a huge advantage in war. The army Napoleon was put in charge of and this Italian Austria military conquest campaign in seventeen ninety six with a poorly fed ill-equipped lot far shy of the forty-three thousand men. He'd been initially promised. However, Napoleon a man who believed. You know, he had success is part of his destiny he knew he could win despite a shortage of man despite them being hungry. If he brought their morale soldiers he said, you are naked badly fed. Rich provinces in towns will be in your power and in them, you will find honor glory wealth. Napoleon was one of those guys who was very pro rape and pillage, right? We're gonna kick some ass. You fucking do what you wanna do to these villagers? You know, take take your spoils of war despite a lack of resources to pull and managed victory after victory against several much larger Austrian and allied armies without the normal provisions his troops were lighter and moved through the Italian terrain quickly, although Hungary, and very cranky complicated campaign at one point the French directory proposed Nevada Napoleon's army place, another general in charge of a second contingent Napoleon, though sent two letters back to Paris, and which she didn't formally threaten to resign. But made it clear he didn't want any interference. It's he's the commander, and he doesn't want us forces divided and. You know, he might just abandon this whole thing. If you try to make him do that the directory backstage on Napoleon continues, his siege of Italy throughout the campaign Bonaparte would plant trees of liberty to symbolize his revolution. Taking root in Europe. Dude. Understood the power of symbolism, right? He knew how to how to sell a dream. He knew that his -portant people to see things. See reminders of success in the end. He would get his first victory as a commander. He was basically undefeated in this campaign. Bonaparte's army would take over one hundred and fifty thousand enemy prisoners they'd conquer most of northern Italy. Napoleon got the Austrians to submit to Francis negotiations negotiations which gave a part and France control over thousands of miles of territory. Stretching from Belgium to Greece Europe was now at peace for a few moments. Kind of piece was formalized with the treaty of camp formula and late seventeen ninety seven. And then the the countdown to more fighting began through victory Bonaparte became the defacto ruler of Italy, it only twenty eight years old and for much of seventeen ninety seven. He would negotiate as a sovereign with the Austrian emperor. Probably didn't hate that. Right. He returned to Paris a goddamn legend who still having trouble with his lady, the French revolution. With turning France upside down on the polling was finding Italy and upon returning to pull in found himself agreeing with French nationalists who cried. Liberty equality and fraternity part of the reason to point is remembered more than say other God king wannabe start history is his ability to write direct and star in propaganda pieces during his first campaign Italy, he created newspapers in which he would write articles about himself would say things like Bonaparte flies like lightning strikes like thunderbolt. How would that be? If you like if you were like an artist or like in this sense military, but like what if you were a musician comic or whatever. And you also were in charge of like, you know, what videos get promoted on YouTube, what programming comedy central, and, you know, you just put out like, a whatever kind of comedy special, and just thunderous applause. No matter what you play it seven times a day. You're always the featured video on YouTube. And it's always like e you also control have a botch. Just put nothing, but amazing comments, even if you were truly terrible. If you just did that long enough. There's no way you wouldn't become just incredibly famous. Right. He did that like a military equipment of that. He'd commissioned paintings of himself as an almost mythical character. He would skew report from the battlefield to show his valor. While diminishing all the other raping and pillaging kinda keep that quiet on the police control over his own image and myth, was brilliant. He made sure he was depicted as God's chosen hero the. Savior and protector of France, he would dictate every detail of paintings. He'd commissioned for his victories, young Hillary. Hello history really is often written by the winners. And Poland knew that better than most. He was a brilliant. Battlefield tactician. And an even better at hype our thinking for like a modern kind of sports celebrity an analogy. It's like he was like LeBron James LeBron had Kim Kardashians. Instagram abilities. She has over one hundred twenty million followers, by the way, Instagram or hundred twenty million as Nostradamus predicted when he prophesized about the apocalypse. Lebron someone who in my opinion has more tangible talent one finger than she has an entire body roughly, forty eight million followers, right? If he had herb he'd have he'd have somehow he'd had some have more followers than there are people on earth to understand Poland's transition from kick ass, military leader and propaganda to ever of most of Europe, we need a bit more context about this French revolution and the reign of terror so much going on this little period of history. The. French revolution is the backdrop right for Bonaparte rise to power during much of the revolution. The leader of the French directory is a man named Maximilien Robespierre. Maximilien Robespierre had argued that he needed to suspend liberty to save liberty and Napoleon. Agreed. And as expected people didn't really like having their liberty suspended people revolted Robespierres government fell in the end. They cut his head off with the very guillotine that he had terrorized France with very much a live by the guillotine die by the guillotine story. There's a lot to the French revolution. I'm not gonna go super even a detail because that deserves its own suck. And even now it'd be hard to get all the necessary. Influent just no at basically was several complicated. Coups one after another the replay. So government is constantly being replaced. The revolution would run from may fifth seventeen thousand nine to November nine seventy ninety nine and it was a lot of fun. It was basically like a big mardi gras celebration. With a lot of wine. Plenty of beads, so many boobs just flat out in the streets is glorious hill who Safina no it was terrible, replace boobs and beads with so much blood. The fighting started partly because a lot of French people didn't. Like the tyranny of the of the monarchy. So they went on to kill each other in the streets for a while only to put Napoleon power who by the end, essentially became, you know, another king and formed a different type of monarchy. It was his God. Dang. This is exactly why we started this in the first place. Now, we're back here. Again, the French revolution began with the with the way, the French government or began over the way, the French government collected taxes, essentially, if you're rich or member of the clergy, you didn't pay him. If you're anyone else you paid the fuck out of him at the end of the eighteenth century, France found himself deeply in debt Mosey from financing the American revolution. Which thank you. By the way, I know Americans some of them love to talk about saving Francis ass and World War Two tend to forget that the France saved our asses in American revolution. So appreciate it. Sorry, if I fuck up seventy percent of your super stupid names, loses sixteenth was spending half of his wealth on the debt from the war, and it bankrupted him and Francis this lack of funds all. Also coincided with multiple seasons of bad weather that hurt food production which left France broke and hungry which is a bad combo from morale. Good recipe for a revolution. I feel like people, you know, the poor historically will put up with a lot of shit from the rulers. They'll take beatings unfair taxes. Sometimes they'll put up with getting their land taken from them. They'll even tolerate various forms of indentured servitude. But starvation now that seems to be the straw that breaks the poor people's back right because hangar hangar is real mass. Hanger usually equals an uprising. With the all the unrest in France, king Louis. The the sixteenth assembles. What is known as the estates general the states general in June of seventeen thousand nine consisting of three estates or classes two convenient for Cy the nobles in one the clergy to another all the working class marks in the third. They all gathered figure out how to reform the government. Get France out of financial trouble and make everybody happy. They're all supposed to work together, rich and poor like to figure everything out. And that's a nice thought. But it didn't happen. The king decided to lock the not cool kids the poor and the landless out of the meeting and make their presence, basically symbolic and not really listen to their frustrations. You know, about bearing the brunt of the tax burden will despite being shut out the communists continued to meet up. They mean, some tennis tennis courts than some other locations. They refused to leave until the king takes them. Seriously. They start drafting up legislation for new government. They form what becomes known as the national guard. They essentially organize themselves into militia wearing the colors that now make up the French flag red white and blue just like ours less than a month later July fourteenth. Now known in France's Bastille Day, the commoners decided to attempt to overthrow the French monarchy. They storm I a hotel in Paris looking for guns, and then the Bastille in Paris a fortress being used at the time as a a political prison now, many people are actually be staying there at the time. But they they rescue seven prisoners they load up on guns and a response. This rebellion August fourth seventeen thousand nine the French National Assembly is like, hey, guys. Wait a minute. Hold on hold on hub. Did you say you wanted less taxes? Oh, we just we didn't hear you correctly. We get an so let's put an end to the silly rioting. Okay. Let's put an end to the weapon taking the government listens. To some of their demands abolish his huge pillars of French lifelike tithing, noble privilege, unequal tax station. Feudal rights massive shift. The culminates August twenty six with the national assemblies declaration of the rights of man and citizen. This is the king's attempt to give every French citizen. Liberty prosperity and security will also remain in king. So Lewis sixteen still king, but he has to concede a lot of king power then in October seventeen eighty nine a rumor was spread that the Queen marie-antoinette is holding grain in the palace of side. And king Louis is reported to have said, oh, fuck me. I beside now this Tamminen, I don't like it let it be known that I do not care for any of this somebody screen that after blasting trumpets or some shit. Now, you didn't say down he wasn't having. And then you really wasn't happy. On a massive group of armed peasant women known as the women's March stormed the palace and forced the king and Queen to move twelve miles away to Paris Hailu Safina that gotta take away some of their more Royal powers, but he's still king. They're still still McQueen things are shifting away. From a regular monarchy though to a constitutional monarchy. And then France continues to argue and riot and things start to slide further into a true civil war during a gathering of one group of revolutionary because there's numerous revolutionaries thinking that I know best we could do things this way one of known as the bins. French National Assembly troops kill fifty Jackson's and that sends France in general into an uproar the national assembly. They were also revolutionaries. They were grouped to comprise that third estate. The Commodores who met a tennis court the people who stormed the best deal. And now they're killing other revolutionaries. Not good things. Start to get really complicated on August twenty seven seventeen ninety one the declaration of pill knits occurred, basically the other kings and sovereigns around Europe. Not excited to see. What was happening in France? France had been annoying for a long time to them Kanzi starting battles and shit. But they didn't they didn't want people to get the wrong idea in their country. If they see Francis people overthrow their monarchy. They're like shit. We could be next right? They liked being kings and queens. They got nervous about a revolution. So they decide to to meet and make an support, you know, the French monarchy, then the French National Assembly who still had overthrown Louis the sixteen they work with him to invade Austria to plunder ostriches wealth and steal their grain. And that pays off some of the king's trying to help Louis, you know, like like the king of Austria who by the way was Francis. The second father of Napoleon's feature. Second wife guy who got fucked over by France. And so many ways this attack and Austria leads pressure to align with Austria to fight the French king Louis offer his support to Prussia. Then he was like, hey, man that shit with Austria that was the poor people's idea that wasn't mine. I look I'm just trying to survive. I'm having to make a lot of deals. Things are crazy over here helped me out, bro. Let's squash. These peasant. Fucks and keep them from rating anyone else's treasuring green. So sorry will doing that. Makes Louis look like a traitor to the revolution. Because he was he didn't like the revolution. In the national assembly. Takes away all the power for the monarchy and calls for another constitution this time. The people are able to vote in new elections. Well, at least amend people anyway, sorry, lady suckers. Also, the assembly has a trial fluid. The sixteenth and they elect to remove his head from his neck, by way of guillotine, his famous Queen marie-antoinette who famously did not say, let them eat cake, and so many other nobles also get put to death. This way, the execution of the Royal family in seventeen ninety three would spark a period of more chaos in the French revolution known as the reign of terror hard to pinpoint exactly the day the rate of terror began, but historians sites September fifth seventeen ninety three. This was the day that a French asshole ended the French assembly by saying, quote, let's make terror the order of the day. Right. This is when the store becomes a real life fucking purge movie. These people after executing the Royal family think this feels good I like this. Why stop here? Let's kill so many of these mother fuckers. There are bloodthirsty. They were drunk with power tear did become the order of the day and invest a sixteen thousand. And heads would roll by way of guillotine, roughly sixteen thousand the passage by the French national convention of the law of suspects was it was a major part of this. Coming chaos the law of suspects now made it cool to kill enemies of the state, whether they were declared rebels or just suspected rebels under this law. You weren't innocent until proven guilty you're guilty until proven innocent, which I gotta say reminds me of the growing witch-hunt culture of today. Right. When one person can make an online accusation about somebody else. No trial, no scrutiny. No cross examination. Suddenly that person's just guilty, at least in the court of public opinion. I mean, I guess we're we're literally cut in people's fucking heads off based on unfounded accusations. Not yet. But gotta be careful with that shit when his Cussing the the new law of suspects in the subsequent executions Maximilien Robespierre said it was nothing more than speedy severe and inflexible Justice. That's one way to justify the purge. I wonder if he thought that when his head would later role two factions of thought emerged during this. Reign of terror. There was one group who didn't want to stop the killings, but instead sought moderation it we should have a little bit better trials, maybe slow down just a touch, and then there was another group who like more death. More death more heads make it happen in a fun twist of history. The leaders of both groups end up getting their heads off to make things even more interesting. The national assembly turns on Maximilien Robespierre, and he in twenty one of his followers are guillotine chaos. Chaos. One day you're leading the rebellion. The next day you're looking back to your body as your head hits the fucking ground after being brutally and quickly cut off. And it is thought by the way that you can retain consciousness for at least four seconds after having your head lopped off. Thanks to some weird decapitation research. Some Dutch scientists did was mice in two thousand eleven those four seconds. They have to be not only the last thing is your life. But the longest right how surreal just oh shit. That's my body has my whole body up there. And I'm down. I'm tired. So in summary during the revolution political this dissidence killed plus the king and the Royal family killed tunnel. Robles a ton of nobles killed the leaders of factions that were down with the killing also killed the guy who's in charge. The most killing also killed. Well, played France, very thorough revolution. After mopping up the rivers of blood from the reign of terror. The revolution would be pulled back a bit. The rain ended in July seventeen ninety four would claim between eighteen thousand forty thousand lives. And then another new constitution is drafted. And then this time, it's an ends up being super nice to rich people. Isn't that funny? How that works all this death and chaos to basically get kind of back to where they started rich people never underestimate how good they are staying rich. It's very impressive in this new constitution. Also last number coups occur. The French continue the revolution. That's what the French revolution. So famous it was just a series of so much fucking. It's like it was like a thousand revolutions packed into one revolution. And then finally the poll Poland makes his move and is pronounced first consul of France. Which basically meant he was dictator ish. He's like dictator light. And then yet another new constitution is needed. A great time to be a person, by the way, who gets paid to write copies of constitutions, man. A lot of job security a lot of work. So like I said they began the revolution with the dictator king. And then when it's all over. Have another Decatur empower military dictator. Okay. Let's jump back a bit. Now. Let's jump into some military conquest. Let's jump erections job ahead. Let's not jump back. Let's go ahead. Seventeen ninety eight fallen opponent in Egypt right after a word from today's final sponsor FaceTime. So is brought to you by the great courses. Great courses. Plus, I'm always trying to become a smarter version of myself. And that's why I love watching and listening to the great courses. 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Thousand of the great, Hugh, ags, ended a great, you know, kicked Asti to pew to the same thing and Geno seventeen nine eight Napoleon on his way to Egypt decides to sack little island nation of Malta give it to France. Most of that stage takes his day pretty small place without much loss of life on either side, he he takes over the capital city of love let I gotta make Malta someday. By the way, tiny island nation, the Mediterranean, beautiful less than half a million people total been inhabited since roughly six thousand BC's so much history. One of the smallest countries in the world. Also, one of the most densely populated less than one hundred twenty five square miles in size smallest island nation, by the way for random trivia, even I know we're getting a little off track for second. The island of na na do the Republic of no ru in the South Pacific, just over eight square miles less than twelve thousand people it's its own country. Morango tribute trivia on top of trivia, this little tiny island has the highest rated rate of obesity in the world ninety seven percent. Of the dudes. They're ninety three percent of the women are medically obese. So if your average sized, and you're frustrated you're not just getting checked out as much as you'd like to on the beach. Get your ass up. Get you has to do, and you could you could be Trump's model back to France after looking Molteni afternoon Napoleon continues to Egypt much like its hero Alexander. The great Bonaparte wanted to follow in his footsteps, right? What better way to do that than to conquer Alexandria? The city named after him with between thirty five thousand thirty eight thousand troops known as the army of the orient and an entire French fleet. Napoleon does just that he rise in Alexandria to find that. It's not actually Egyptians who are running Egypt right now. But Muslim warriors known as the Mameluke the Mamelukes Alexandra was taken with little resistance. The Mamelukes have a unique story, and we'll continue to play a role in his injection campaign after their defeat quick note of the Mamelukes in the thirteenth century, the Egyptian Sultan purchase twelve thousand slave boys from the caucus mountains near Armenia and raise them to be an elite. Fighting force and train them. So well, they overthrew him ah, dammit, then they ruled Cairo for the next several hundred years so note to self do not purchase I'm gonna cross that off my to do list right now, do not purchase twelve thousand Armenians lay boys. Do not raise them to be an elite fighting force. Glad glad I found that info. The mama. Loops were fierce warriors who were fearless fighters. They believed that they would be instantly transported to paradise. If they were killed in battle. But Napoleon still looked after Zander Napoleon led his soldiers to Cairo and learned a little more than he wanted to about. How terrible it was to move troops to the Egyptian desert they marched through landing at hit high temperatures of one hundred and thirty degrees Fahrenheit, today's modern travelers are told drink a quarter water every hour where light clothes and hats will the French had the hats, but we're not dressed lightened didn't have enough water. They were they were dressed in thick wool uniforms, and they didn't even carry water bones. Napoleon was a brilliant tactician commander. But he did not really care about the what harsh. Tips physically his men had to endure during the fighting his poor soldiers spent three weeks in the sand and hate with limited rations on top of not nearly enough water. There are also harassed and attacked by bedouins, those Arabic nomads the soldiers suffered from starvation and dehydration is the hot sands burner feet irritated their throats. Some soldiers broke down when insane just tore off their uniforms. Just fucking ran out died. The desert some soldiers also dunk out the rations to thirsty to eat their dry grain cakes dehydrated and died soldiers began to see Mirages that have visions of bodies of water in the near distance only to find that. There was none. There were several suicides. When they finally did come across a well. It'd be drained in minutes, and then by the end of the journey dozens of soldiers would die of thirst just laying around these dry wells when to Poland's army finally makes it to the Nile to soldiers break ranks, they just dive into the water, and they drank and float for hours, which ends up killing so many more of them, right? They find watermelon patches and gorge themselves, and then a lot of them come down with this. Centurion die quite literally very shitty. Three weeks. Good old MacGill's pup, just it off French buttonholes blown off left and right pooping into the now the demoralized, and that's a callback to a alive from old episode for new listeners the demoralized and barely alive. French troops arrived near the pyramids Giza. Not far from Cairo July thirteen seventy nine eight met by fifteen thousand mama, Luke warriors, and despite being sick, and weary. They kicked their fucking asses. In fact, like a cat playing with the mouse Napoleon toyed with the enemy army to get a sense of what might be awaiting him in Cairo. On July twenty first seventeen ninety eight Bonaparte led his thirty five to fifty thousand French troops and four hundred ships to Egypt for the battle of the pyramids. The in love to give his battles exciting names. Bonaparte show. Army is said to have went up against forty thousand gypsies, at least as Napoleon's count historian seem to think it was less than half of that the British think it was six guys in a camel a propaganda makes history heart sometimes three PM on July twenty six thousand Marmaduke charge or looks charged. The French army I keep wanting to Marmaduke it's not that and things will really really well for them almost every single one of these fighters instantly transported to paradise just like they wanted. Yup. Yeah. These guys are no match for Napoleon superior tactics. He organizes troops into simple formations known as the square puts all his troops into five squares. They slaughter the marvel looks the square which is more of a rectangle actually featured rifleman on the outside Calvary on the inside artillery, artillery, whatever on the outside corners virtually entire army of the face. The French that day were mowed down. Just a few hours five to six thousand men killed in a few hours. The French lost a total of thirty soldiers with several hundred others wounded, I mean, this was a landslide victory. The French soldiers who were promised riches stripped the bodies of the fallen foes for jewels. Gold in their fancy weapons after the battle dejection leader Murad bay burned his remaining fleet before fleeing from Napoleon the smoke created by the burning ships caused even more panic in Cairo and bedouin mercenaries who were hired by the marmer looks to protect the citizens of Cairo began to steal and kill the people. They were hired to protect Koslow anarchy over there. July twenty fifth seventeen ninety eight the French March into Cairo a city now. Essentially, the belongs tuned. Hold him. He was blown away by the architecture of Cairo. It was under his logic rule at the time. And instead of trying to convert the city to Christianity, according to folklore Napoleon tried to tell them that he wasn't Christian that he and his men actually wanted to become Muslim they didn't. He just wanted them to think they did. So the easier to rule them couple problems with this. So couple problems with convincing the local Muslim population is Islam Islamic law forbids alcohol and requires men to be circumcised and Poland's troops. They weren't quite ready to cut some skin off their Dicks and stopped drinking to make things easier for their fearless leader. Just seriously. You almost kill us in the desert when you forget about fucking water. Then we fight thousands of news don't care if they live or die. And now you want us to stop celebrating and take some skin off our Dicks. No, one of the British hit you you're an asshole. On august. I seventeen ninety eight Napoleon is men would end up fighting a more formidable opponent than the costing the stupid words in the Mamelukes. In the Egyptian desert. They would actually end up going head to head with none other than hulk HOGAN ho committee is running wild brother deploying was like those that mean wholesome in. Yeah. And then HOGAN body, slam some knowledge on him. He was like I promised each and every Hoke ammoniac when I went to that great battlefield in the sky. I would bring the Toby you whiff title with me brother an opponent. What does is W w leaf and hope was like negativity and hulkamania two things don't go together. Brother. What you do when ho Khameini destroys who you, and that's not sense. But that was fun. That pumped me up hulkamania. Always gives me the legendary British Admiral Horatio Nelson had been hunting Napoleon. So much better though, if it was a time traveling HOGAN, but this, but this is still pretty good in the summer of seventeen thousand eight but hunt him down there. He didn't want. You know, this is not going to let the French fuck up their trade routes and on August first. He finds the poll in the battle of the Nile would be very one sided fight between the French and the British. It would go down as the most decisive victory up until that point and European naval history. Nelson Pyle drive Napoleon's fleet into fucking oblivion and stranded Bonaparte and his men in Egypt. Each side started off with thirteen ships and the British ended up with a twenty two ships by the end, the French lost nine thousand men and all their ships were either captured or destroyed the British suffered only roughly, you know, two hundred to nine hundred dead on the source. I mean just a blowout victory. The battle also caused a pull in little Malta the British kicked him the fuck out of the islands now controlled the Mediterranean which limited Francis ability to retaliate against UK. The loss of the battle of the Nile was huge loss from Polian. Historians agree that. The Abbott Khirbet was a poor place for him to have the French fleet. Lay anchor for three months friendships had remained exposed in the shallow waters of the poorly-guarded port. The French Admiral in charge fleet knew that wanted to move to deeper and safer waters. But bought part insisted they stay to crush Napoleon Admiral Nelson throughout the gentleman's rules of warfare at sea instead of lining up ships and firing until once I gave up the British Admiral surrounded the anchored ships and pummeled them from all sides Napoleon had has ships can is pointed towards the sea. So when the British trickled around behind him, they're just sitting ducks a few stories of called this massacre Napoleon's Pearl Harbor at one point in the battle, the world's largest ship at the time, the French orient caught fire and literally exploded with a hundred and eighteen cannons. It when I can only assume was a shit ton of gunpowder on board. The ship's explosion was supposedly heard to fifty miles away. Pretty safe to say, none of those soldiers and sailors had ever heard noise that loud before despite this terrible. Lost propagandists Napoleon was able to spend the battle in his favor. Despite losing his ship Bonaparte still had thousands of troops. And he also still had the one hundred sixty seven French scientists and scholars and artists. He'd actually brought to Egypt to study gypsum culture. And said he wasn't going anywhere. He just decided this week the best situation, and he founds the Egyptian scientific institute named himself ice, president the friendship democrat artists. He brought over work tirelessly to sketch paint record. Discover everything they could about the ancient world of Egypt. Bonaparte himself was obsessed with the history of Egypt, and he turned being stranded into a great excuse to explore his creativity. So much to explore like the great pyramid. Tallest building. In the world at the time. It would remain at tallest building in the world until the French built the Eiffel tower in eighteen eighty eight Napoleon scientists pumped out a twenty four volume description of Egypt. They'll be published in eighteen o nine and these twenty four volumes basically founded modern day Egyptology each was a special place for the Poland. But maybe not quite as specialist parts of the internet believe some websites that he had. Found experience when he asked to be left alone in the king's chamber doing a great tour of the great pyramid. At least one website says in that chamber. He met aluminum aliens from another dimension most legitimate Napoleonic scholars don't think he even stepped foot inside the pyramids Napoleon's greatest achievement in Egypt was probably his armies discovery of the Rosetta Stone in mid July seventeen ninety nine there is ETA stone is a fifteen hundred pound granite tablet. It has an official decree about the Greek feral told me the fifth carve into it. Right. Told me one of the one of those inbred told me bastards, we learn so much about in the Cleopatra suck so much inbreeding skinniest of skinny family trees. And and there was that. A stone was was basically just a lot of pictures of the toll fucking each other. No, no, this don't tell it was one of many copies that were supposedly placed in every temple in Egypt at one time, and they were all written in three languages. That's what makes this thing. So important languages carved into the stone or ancient hieroglyphics. And also an almost as old addiction language called demoniac. And also Greek the language the French were familiar with. And this was a treasure of all treasures because now thanks to the, you know, the the hieroglyphics being translated on this Donen degree, you know, they could they could unlock the mysteries of all the other hieroglyphics, the Rosetta Stone was was found by a French officer named pierre-francois Bush a while he was helping to rebuild a wall during the reconstruction of the town of Zada the military sent the artifacts. The French science guys who immediately started bus now does Greek phrase books, the Dakota the stone before the British locals are both made them leave. A task which was pretty hard considering there's a lot of damage done to the stone. Who was missing a large section of hieroglyphics at the top and pieces from the other two languages, but they figured it out by the end of Napoleon's running Egypt. The French scientists had amassed one of the greatest collection of historical treasures ever seen. All these. You know, antiquity treasures after Napoleon had left for France towards the end of the French occupation of Egypt, the British defeated the French and the English went on to preserve and protect the resented stone where it can be seen in the British Museum in London today. Okay. Now backed about still in Egypt seventeen ninety nine to pull in his army still stranded there the locals rebel against or foreign oppressors in late seventeen ninety nine Napoleon is taxing them to death to pay for his war efforts on October twenty first seventeen ninety nine at six AM, a large gathering of Egyptians begin to attack the French the French retaliate with a twelve hour. Cannon assault on the city's mosques and temples damaged from those attacks can still be seen today after Bonaparte regained control of Cairo whose office start more. More wars in early March. Bonaparte army marched across the Sinai peninsula and into western Syria to a city called Java. The French laid siege to the city from March third to March seventh it was a quick victory. But when the police Centene is emissaries to negotiate surrender the Johnsons lopped off the Frenchman's heads and display them on post for all to see. Not smart bad move, guys. You just lost? You just got siged not a solid plan to cut the heads off. The guy's negotiating your surrender. Right. How is that going to work out wolf you there? It's not like they're army's just gonna leave after that. Just oh shit. They they cut Jackson peers headed off. Oh god. You know? I don't think they want us to render. Okay. All right. I wish they would have said something, let's just pack up our stuff and get outta here. They know they don't want us to be here. Now in the French troops entered the city after these beheadings, they go nuts. They rape and murder. Thousands. The gather up to three thousand Joffe in troops, execute them with bayonets. They don't want to waste bullets on them. The mythology says it took. Three days to kill them. All but they did it. They even hunted and executed those who tried to run run or swim away. The next target was the city further north called offer the French attacked it on March twentieth. Oscar was defended by the Ottoman empire and had a strong defensive wall. The city was led by general Jasar Pasha known as the butcher, and he had no interest in surrendering either. The French had two options to win this siege. They can put us some tents hang out. They could starve the city of provisions or they get attacked the well defended walls will Napoleon chose to attack because the British were kind of helping them get some provisions they had stock them up. And this attack was brutal over the siege. Nine thousand French soldiers die many from battle many others from an outbreak of bubonic plague fucking plague the bodies a French soldiers had begun to stack up and sadly, not one was catapulted inside the city, you guys loans. Shock aim the shock file Jacques as the siege. Napoleon get so low on weapons and ammo that he he starts paying troops to sneak onto the battlefield at night and recover used cannonballs. Right. The bigger the canon, though, the more extra money to get France would eventually abandon the siege. Head back to Egypt. This would be Napoleon's first major land defeat. I mean, obviously, the British kicked his ass say hands up having to leave many of his sick and wounded on them behind an Oscar and legend has on the way back to Joffe. He may have also decided to poison other sick and wounded soldiers right there. These guys are kind of fucking slowing us down. Let's say let's poisoning. We can't history not clear on whether Bonaparte had his troops poison secretly. Or if the volunteer to drink the poison, I hardly doubt that or even if there was poisoned because history is tricky bastard when you deal with propagandists and then Napoleon returns to Egypt as if he had won the battles. Right. He knew he knew how to spin shit. He spoke of only victory in the Middle East. You know, many French citizens. They bought his words when you travel back to France, many French were enthralled by the young general. He brought his cool antiquities treasures. You know, it was like his mythical trip to this land of pyramids and the junction God's later. Bonaparte wouldn't meet his would admit gives me his defeat and author was a big disappointment and an important loss. He later say if I had not been defeated knocker, I would have conquered all of the east during his time around the plague at least according to legend, and again, it's hard to tell what's lead. And what's not in the story, but supposedly Napoleon showed some serious fearlessness to his troops. Or I guess ignorance at a medical hospital in Syria, he declared that the cause of the play was fear, and that the cure was courage. He demonstrated his courage by picking up a dead soldier from the floor a soldier who was covered in busted open play boils. And he carried him to a more suitable rest in place. You know, it's not about fine. Dude. He did know how to inspire. He also clearly did not know dick about the plague or who had never done that when Napoleon returned to Egypt. He learned that France was in political chaos. The French revolution was about to hand him the keys to the castle. Now in Baltimore. Part knew it problem was he couldn't get his army home without his guy day of ships fucking chips. So he just snuck away by himself. He didn't tell us army or even replacement officer. He was going to be leaving and heading back to Europe didn't even tell his mistress. A letter in just hop boat back to France. And if you're wondering what happened to the French army left behind they would eventually be brought back to France by the British army after defeat in eighteen o one. Back in France is by ditching his army in Egypt Napoleon. He's received as a hero. He's a legend super famous has plays. And paintings commissioned about his victories. It doesn't really talk about his losses. You know? He skips over leaving a troops. That whole part of the story. Focuses on the sports that are highlights is folks on a dunk, not not turnovers operation, God king almost complete after sneaky returned to Paris to polling helps plan a bloodless military coup to replace the existing French directed directory now in charge. It will go down as the coup of eighteen bream Meer or Bri Bryner, excuse me. By by mayor being a month in a French counter system extending from October twenty two to November twentieth. A fringe calendar system the Napoleon would soon replace actually with the one we use. Now bought apart was immensely popular. He also had his popular brothers Lucian and Joseph help him take over France bought parts plan was to get the directory to quit to both houses of the French legislature. The council of the ancients council the five hundred to make a new constitution declaring him in charge. Lucian his brother who is defining president of the council of five hundred persuaded the council to meet at the Chateau. They cloud in the suburbs of Paris. Loosen was able to persuade the council then to move to a less populated location by falsely warning them of Jaakko Ben coup plot against them. This media was basically for Napoleon and his army to show up an intimidate and threaten the remaining government and almost didn't work. He fucked up his speech, I guess talking about God of war this and follow me through the dangerous zone that and he's ridiculed by the council and they see through his plot. So then the poll in, you know, he's basically like, okay. All right. If you don't have the speech, here's the deal. I'm gonna fucking kill you. We'll do this fucking kill you. And they're like, oh, all right. Okay. I do get that speech. The they dissolve the directory now replace it with the three person consulate Napoleon, of course, is declared I council he's in charge. He essentially becomes the new dictator of France, many historians consider this the end of the French revolution. Wouldn't wouldn't be long after this through an amendment to the constitution that Poland would be come the first console for life? And then later name himself emperor. Very Caesar esque moves he is pulling out he's fantasies, or this is a complicated. Time in France in Europe in general, but but now the emperor could form an empire his own way. Okay. Now's a good time to look at one of Bonaparte most significant contributions to history and the Napoleonic code as emperor. He did actually seem to know how to run a country. What makes Napoleon the legend goes? Well, beyond his battlefield wins. He contributed to a wide variety of fields or under his direction, France built world class buildings monuments and bridges push science law art and founded many new schools, including the university of France h eight perhaps more than. Anything though, or at least for this segment of the show. The most important thing he influence was the way legal systems would run forever through a code. He we think he helps develop he may have just taken credit, but we think he actually helped Napoleon's new legal system when initially be called the civil code of the French. And then it was changed to the Napoleonic code Napoleon. Was like does that how come that doesn't have my name in it? No, no, no, everything has my name in it. Bonaparte? New law of the land was was developed initially by a commission of four eminent jurists or law. Scholars other jurists would contribute a little later and Napoleon himself would contribute historians debate to this day about how much she contributed the author started writing this new code in eighteen o one and spent years getting it, right? The podium. The Napoleonic code was put into effect a March twenty first eighteen you four and it would go on to inspire the legal systems of most of Europe, including Italy the Netherlands Belgium Spain Portugal. Poland pieces to Germany, some forty modern nations. Now, oh peace. Oh pieces or more of their current legal systems to Napoleon, you know, including modern day, France. The deployment code was derived from bits Aruban law. The French, revolution and other half ass. European attempts have governance Napoleon's main objective was to make the lock clearly written in easily accessible to all people of the states. This would be huge upgrade from the legal system of the French to tell a -tarian kings and queens within the feudal system of France that were different privileges special charters for kings, the clergy in aristocrats. There weren't distinct laws but hard to define customs and random decrees. They're constantly changing the feudal system often consisted of whatever the monarchs wanted and or could get away with at the time. And this led to this crazy hodgepodge of forty two different legal systems existed at the same time in France DiPoto tour all up and replaced him with one easy to understand code, the code very nice step forward towards a more just and modern legal system. People tend to like it more than a king just making shit up on the fly. Okay. So now onto the next phase of this crazy guys. Life or this guy's crazy life rather? February twenty third eight four big day for Napoleon he crowned himself emperor in front of pope pious the seventh at the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris. He was the first Frenchman to become an emperor and a thousand years project. God king was officially success. Napoleon started off his rule by restructuring the French system of nobility created the legion of honor and rewarded his favourite? Ask kissers by choosing three thousand people to play dress up and become nobles three thousand people loyal to him as a boy remember he dreamed of America Crecy. And now he was kind of making one he was picking people with strong leadership qualities to help. You know, run the country is picking p with great military valor. But the main criteria was how loyal were they to him. Mostly picking people based on loyalty. So I guess he in a way he he kind of gave up on that meritocracy. These people were a mixture of the revolutionary elite and his friends and family he and he didn't give them any real power, by the way, outside of kind of being in the cool kids club and not getting taxed nearly as much as the common folks, we're not getting taxed at all. The idea of becoming nobles from the rank of common folk was unheard of sons of tanners and innkeepers and millers are now part of the French elite Napoleon creates a hereditary monarchy, essentially, also in places his family is heads of state all over his empire. So they're they're right back to where they started as we know Napoleon understood the power propaganda. His ability to rise to emperor was made possible by his ability to narrate his own methology. And by crushing knows to opposed him. Hit a secret police force created despite his enemies and the people in general he waged war on the press reducing early versions of French newspapers from sixty in seventeen ninety nine to just four by eighteen fourteen. And and of course, he continued to write. And produce his own, you know, legend through place articles monuments paintings Napoleon was so aware of the power print. He would say this isn't very interesting quote to me four hostile newspapers or more to be feared than a thousand bayonets. Right. And this guy who knew something about a bandit Napoleon was also very aware of the French people's what have you done for me lately attitude? So he quickly goes about reminding them of why he was in charge in the first place by waging fucking war. Let's get back to that matter of debate between historians even to this day, whether Bonaparte was just a warmonger or war hero. Most of them seem to agree though, that despite the reasons for going to war he was real good at fighting. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. He ended up fighting in twelve different military campaigns and anywhere in anywhere from forty three to sixty total battles record show. He lost five eight of those battles. Depend on which story, and you believe sixty eight by the way, solid record for any type of fighter. That's a hall of fame. Win-loss bread for Bach. Or a fighter. Most of his losses would come at the end of his military career. But so would some of his most impressive victories Napoleon ended up fighting and more battles than his heroes. Alexander the great Julius Caesar and Hannibal combined. Heels started to major wars one was on the Iberian peninsula against Spain and Portugal and one in Russia. Additionally, seven major war coalition's would be declared against him all of them, by the way, you know, funded or let in some way by the British in h zero three the air known as the Napoleonic wars began when Britain declared war on France now that Napoleon had his crown Britain and most of Europe became focused on taking it away from him and to fund all of his fighting against the British Napoleon made a monumental real estate deal to change the future of the world affected American gray. Let's talk about the Louisiana purchase for a second the acquisition. Quick sale. Louisiana territory is really interesting part of Bonaparte history that intertwines to pull in and Thomas Jefferson. I've heard of him. It also includes the future of America. A selfish span is king and ex slave who became victorious general during the Caribbean revolution, basically like all of history. If a thousand different little things didn't exactly the way, they did the world will be drastically different today to Napoleon the Louisiana territory was a wasteland just you eight hundred twenty eight thousand square miles of worthless. And uncharted swamps enforce Louisiana claimed by the French way back in sixteen eighty two and name by the Spanish for the French king. Louis the fourteenth for over one hundred years it remained almost is almost empty as far as Europeans. Go. It was populated by a lot of American Indians. And just a few kind of French military outpost for the most part after the French didn't need war in seventeen sixty to the French gave the entire territory away to Spain as a diplomatic gift for fighting with them. Spain didn't really want it when Napoleon took power. He didn't see the potential of Louisiana loan, but he did see the potential of the economic combo of Haiti and Louisiana bottom apart cared about Haiti France. Was making a lot of money in Haiti. But but they were having problems with eighty they were fighting back against French rule in Louisiana was still owned by Spain the point that if he could have that he could build up troops on the Louisiana territory. And then those troops could help keep Haiti in check. So he keep making their money. So Napoleon went to work and secretly pressure. The Spanish King Carlos to fourth to sign a treaty to swap Louisiana for a plush principality in French French controlled northern Italy as part of the seemingly sweet deal, Bonaparte promise. He wouldn't sell the Louisiana territory to any other countries. The might end up fucking with Spain later, you can see what is going kinko's the fourth. He was a man whose country was slipping out from under his leadership, and he took the deal across the Atlantic. In US, pretty sharp guy fan of the spirit of the French revolution. By the name of Thomas Jefferson. He was president. He got wind secret treaty and the swap between the Spanish and the French for the Louisiana territory, president Jefferson, not a fan of the poll in possibly the complete opposite of him in temperament, he asked the minister from France about the secret French treaty with Spain the minister said all of that. Swampy bullshit belong to Spain. TJ knew that wasn't the truth. So president Jefferson decided to bluff the French Napoleon as part of his bluff, he wrote a letter that he knew get back to Napoleon without actually saying his intentions for the US were to join the British and fighting the French he implied it and his deception was believed by Bonaparte napoleone, rethought, his Louisiana deal. He didn't have time to fight America. He needed to focus on kicking all of Europe's ass. Finally, make the British pay the emperor knew that war was on the horizon, you're a big big war and he needed cash badly defined his war efforts, perhaps the most crucial part of this whole situation was the French territory of San Demong, and aka Haiti Assan Doma was known as jewel of France. And responsible for two third of all of France's foreign trade at its peak production at one point it was the richest colony in the world, at least in profit per square mile sugar was the main commodity, the African slave labor was the workforce, the French slave drivers were brutal and literally worked to slaves to death. By seventeen eighty seven around four hundred fifty thousand slaves around the island, an estimated forty thousand slaves were brought to Santa Monica and seventeen eighty seven alone. Haiti had begun liberating itself from France starting in seventeen ninety one they would eventually gain their independence nation four Britain. Of course was back in the Haitian revolution fighting along slot alongside the slaves Britain, man, constant thorn. Yeah. In the pull inside M for Bonaparte sent ships and the largest amount of troops overseas at the time twenty seven thousand men to try to quell the Caribbean rebellion. He thought it would take a few weeks. He was very wrong. The war in San Demong used guerrilla warfare tactics against a pull in that. They had never encountered the Haitian forces led by ex slave now general to sant- love or tear was super mobile, and they fought in small groups the attacked the highly regimented French ride. They're fighting those squares by fighting behind trees and rocks fighting at night, attacking and then fleeing and then poisoning, the French soldiers, food and water supplies. And I'm always apprised this type of thing didn't happen. More often old timey warfare. Like, whoever thought it was a great idea. Just to March your guys straight ahead and big lines right into canon or muscular orcher fire. You know, who thought that leaders who didn't give a fuck about losing thousands of men. They're men would just cannon fodder. They're all too willing to sacrifice ten thousand men in an army of thirty thousand for example to kill like twenty thousand other enemy if they thought they could get the jump on so insane. I would like to think if I was one of those soldiers, I would at least try to bring up the possibility of maybe hide behind some trees and some rocks. Just the excuse me, excuse me, general skid me. Yes, come into. What is it? Okay. Hear me out. This is my sound create. What if what if instead of just standing in easily targeted kind of lines slowly walking into Kanter fire? What if what if we hid behind some traits rocks? And then the other guys they marched toward us. And we kind of just, you know, pop out and shoot out from time to time. I just thought it seems like it's worth trying the French soldiers had never seen this type of fighting before plus the Haitians and their general had had a secret weapon. Mosquitoes carrying yellow fever, man. I fucking plague. Now, this the locals were immune to it. But the French got hit hard of the nearly thirty thousand French troops in Haiti only four thousand of them would be strong enough to fight by the end of the battle. They were so sick or dying or dead from yellow fever Haiti with the help of the British and Spanish liberated self at age four. Yeah. And then ruined all of Napoleon's plans in the Caribbean. I found a reason that story and who who called this Napoleon's, Vietnam, right? I Admiral Nelson hits him with his own Pearl Harbor, and now these mosquitoes and dudes hide behind trees or hitting him with Vietnam in total during the Haitian revolution. France, lose seventy five thousand men and the Haitians and British lost two hundred thousand forty five thousand respectively despite losing more troops over all. They still beat the French show. Wasn't. It wasn't a quick couple of weeks easy victory. The French loss of Haiti made Louisa Louisiana territory undesirable to Napoleon. And that coupled again with his concern that America may wanna fight him his need for more cash. Defied of all of that helped him convince him to get rid of the territory. So to help fund the war efforts against those pesky English Napoleon sold more than eight hundred thousand square miles to the US for fifteen million on April thirtieth age. No three initially came out to be about four cents a square mile, and a lot of people have called a degraded real estate deal in the history of the world, the Louisiana territory immediately doubled the size of the US, six states and. Pieces of nine more would be made out of it. And it would also help fuel Napoleon's war machine in Europe back to European theatres of war. You're fours lasted for over a decade from eighteen oh three until eighteen fifteen this dude fought so much fought so many different nations, basically all of your over and over again, the fighting got bloodier and bloodier and bloodier as artillery gun technology and tactics push the battles harder and harder. Initially most most since British laid to the west of France and not to the east, and he didn't have to worry about naval battles Napoleon was able to steamroll over the armies of Europe in my h no five much of the continent was under his control with so many victories. He was feeling invincible unappealing was fighting multiple wars battles in multiple places. He was winning most of them. The peninsular war though was when he would not win Napoleon invaded Spain and Portugal eight zero seven and the conflict wouldn't end until h eighteen fourteen the regimented French army was once again, put off balanced by enemy guerrilla tactics. This time from the Spanish. Portuguese during the peninsula warnings. No five is fate would have it Napoleon would have most of his fleet destroyed by the British navy for a second time many have been passed. Just motherfucking boats got doing I hate boats. If those bangers and mash eaten Cocker's just didn't have boats. I would rule the world choke on your beans, and toast you loving bastards. And it was the same guy who beat him and see who'd beaten him back in Egypt in the battle of Trafalgar, just like in the battle of the Nile to famous Admiral Horatio Nelson commanded a British victory. Nelson destroyed all of Napoleon's ships. Again, Admiral Nelson, however would die in battle. So at least didn't have to worry about the same, dude. Getting a three peat on him. The British navy that will continue to dominate the seas. For the next one hundred years emperor Bonaparte would end his Napoleonic wars with zero allies the United Kingdom in every nation. In Europe would end up joining one of the several military coalitions against him including the holy Roman empire. Russia Sweden Naples. Sicily. Prussia socks ini, Hungary, Spain Sardinia str- Austria, Portugal, the Netherlands Bavaria vote and Berg Baden, even Switzerland even Switzerland joined in even Switzerland's like, you know, usually we try to stay neutral. But that guy. Despite so many nations joining forces to beat him Napoleon initially was kicking all of their asses other than Britain's, and he might have somehow eventually been able to take over the entire content, but he pulled a Hitler, and he tried to invade Russia on top of fighting everybody else after Russia pulled out of a shipping. Blockade agreement called the continental system. The Napoleon had set up against Britain Bonn, apart tried to punish them for it. Just like the pulling underestimate the devastating heat of the desert. He underestimated the might of a Russian winter. He ignored his advisors in June of eighteen twelve he took his men to war in Russia. He actually assembled the largest army in the history of Europe to attack. Russia estimates range between four hundred and fifty and six hundred and fifty thousand French troops ended up fighting against two hundred thousand Russian soldiers Napoleon's goal was to fight Russia near the western border crush 'em quick. And that was not Russia's plan. The Russians knew that have a hard time fighting the massive French army face to face. So they fought unconventionally attacking retreating attacking retreating drawing the poll in deeper and deeper into forbidding Russian terrain as the weather grew colder, and then just as disease had ravaged Napoleon's troops in Syria in Haiti once again, his soldiers are dying by the thousands, this time of typhus dysentery and diphtheria estimates put the French at well over a hundred thousand who died of disease, and yet we have a growing anti vaccination movement today. Fucking history turns out it's important to know some shit about why do we have vaccinations antibac- Sers? So we don't die of shit like diptheria you fucking emotionally thinking idiot. God, dammit, okay. On September seven to eighteen twelve the French emperor overseas. The bloodiest battle of the Russian campaign at the battle of Borodino not far from Moscow. The village aboard. Zito was the best place for the Russian army to make their stand. They weren't going to lose. Moscow without a fight. When the smoke cleared the losses on both sides were immense Russian lost around forty thousand troops while the French loss in estimated thirty to forty five thousand thirty hundred thousand most historians put the official number at around seventy thousand dead in just one battle by September fourteenth. Napoleon watched the Russians burn three quarters of their own city of Moscow to make sure the French didn't have enough food or supplies that they needed to stick around. Bottom part was forced to retreat around twenty one to twenty three thousand soldiers think about how many he had brought despite the French empire's, heavy losses. He quickly. Recruited more men now fought Germany is not done lose a couple hundred thousand dudes, but whatever Malecki Biden several battles were fought between French forces in an allied army that would grow to over three hundred sixty thousand men not to be outdone by the battle aboard Dino the battle of left's vague Lipsey in Germany, also known as the battle of nations would go on to be the bloodiest battle in European history until World War One nearly six hundred thousand. Soldiers are involved. Well, over half a million men fighting ends up with between eighty and one hundred twenty seven thousand total casualties over two thousand artillery weapons fired over two hundred thousand rounds of ammunition. Napoleon's forces had thirty eight thousand men killed or wounded and another fifteen thousand were captured this loss really put a dent in Napoleon's invincible, God king, self-described spiritual successor to Charlemagne persona might soon the fight. He would make its way back to France and Napoleon I reign as emperor would come to. And you can't propaganda your way out of getting your ass kicked in your own country. Right. A March thirty eighteen fourteen the allied armies pushing a poll in all the way back to Paris within a week. And I six and the pulling has forced to abdicate his throne. He is exiled to Elba. This part of the story makes no fucking sense to me on any level. He's exiled to Elba in island in the Mediterranean. Just six miles off the coast of Tuscany south of France. Right. Remarkably napoleon. Able to negotiate his own terms his own surrender terms, he himself chooses Elba. And he's supposed to be paid two million francs annually and be given a guard of four hundred men what a great way to get kicked out of your country. Like, I would love to lose like that. But that's the best way to lose ever. Dan. We're kicking you out Idaho. All right son of a bitch. We're we're tired of it. Tired of shit. So charity for this. I can't wait to see you weep. We're going to send you to Hawaii where we're going to force you to make do with about two million dollars a year and just to have a staff of a few hundred so take that enjoy time on the beach with all your money, you fucking idiot. How fun is it feel is it to lose a good? This is great Napoleon will also be considered the sovereign of Elba. He's putting charge. Why? Why would they do this? He gets to be like he's to be called emperor. He's still he's emperor of Elba. Now instead of seventy million people, you know, he's real about twelve thousand. Also about the thousand of his most devout supporters are allowed to live with him and Elba. Why would you do that somehow seems like a good idea to the allied forces to let Napoleon keep living to give them a lot of money to surround him with his closest most high ranking supporters give them essentially a tiny army. Let him rule the small nation the British providing with an official babysitter some officer named Neil Campbell. Who does a whole lot of dick Napoleon, essentially, ignores him starts preparing to fuck Europe up again Napoleon customer. It'd be in tastes ruling elder seriously. He changes their legal system, fixes or schools instigates infrastructure improvements. Like new roads the draining of marshes. Boosts agriculture develops mines even redesigns their flag still flies today. I mean, the guy the guy was really good at running things when he wasn't just deciding to try to take over everything. Bonaparte spent three hundred days, really nelga. His mother was able to join him there. His second wife or Louis Louis and his son Napoleon junior. They don't join him, but his polish mistress Marie will while Lusaka does join him. Of course, of course. Yes. It was there that she introduced Bonaparte to the sun. They'd had together Alexandra Joseph who legend has it that foreheads which was the average amount of heads proposed people that time. Ridiculous through through his many visitors Napoleon had been gathered intelligence on his enemies. He learned that. The French people were already getting tired of their new king. Louis the eighteenth. They gotta fuck king. Get why why? Bonaparte's followers. Still in France. We're planning a rebellion. He learned that the British who are weary of his constant guests wanted to to to move him to a much more prison like atmosphere moving to an island called Saint Helena, a little island of less than fifty square miles roughly twelve hundred miles off the western coast of Africa, roughly eighteen hundred miles from the eastern coast, South Americans in the middle of fuck. No. Or in the middle of Atlantic between South America and Africa. We'll talk about that a little more bit Bonaparte begins planning his escape, the Elbe dictator isn't discreet about it. Either even announces he's leaving to the other Elba officials because the English did not pay the money. He was supposed to receive. He feels justified. It was like a breach of the treaty. So he just he escapes. He builds a military force of two thousand six hundred imperial guards puts together a small fleet of ships. He calls his navy painted fleet to look like big British ships are going to be looked tools like British ships packs eleven fifty followers in them set sail for France and sneaks past the British March. Twentieth. Eighteen fifteen he makes it back to French soil. Immediately rallies. Another army of supporters regains control of France right now. It's now time forever. The sequel part of his speech goes like this soldiers in my exile. I heard your voice, your general is restored to you. Come and join him tear down those colors, which the nation as prescribed and which for twenty five years served as a rallying signal to all the enemies of France. Mount the Caucasian Tri color you board in the days of greatness. He's good, man. He's good March twenty fifth eighteen fifteen upon learning the Napoleon returned to France and taking it over again Europe collectively side and thought why they'll Faulk did. We not kill him. Your your bonds again together over the content. Common enemy. They prepared to fight him. Again, Napoleon second run at emperor God king or less two hundred days. But it's packed full of a lot of violence. You know, became known as the hundred day campaign after several battles Napoleon is finally defeated once and for all at Waterloo in Belgium, finally unreal. How long it took for Europe to beat this dude for good on June nineteen eighteen fifteen seventy two thousand French troops versus sixty eight thousand British Belgian Dutch and German troops fighting the battle of Waterloo. A deciding factor in pulling losing once again is is whether this time, it's rain. It was Napoleon's choice to either wait until midday to to to attack or attack. You know early in the morning hit is his idea was to wait wait until the muddy terrain drives a bit. And it's choice proved to be fatal mistake, the delay gives upwards of thirty thousand Russian troops just enough time to join their allies, outnumbered the French time for the battle. The French forces are defeated Napoleon reportedly at least told by the British rides back to. Dance and tears allied forces capture defeated polling again and decide hey, maybe we shouldn't let him be emperor anymore. This time using given an island to be ruler of this this time they're gonna put him to that Saint Helena, but they still don't kill him. Which is crazy to me. They they do send him out to this remote Saint Helena island to live his final days as the prisoner. I do not remember ever hearing about this little teeny island before the suck. It is so small and so remote Napoleon called his new home the cursed. Rock Bonaparte would spend the rest of his days playing cards and dictating his memoirs this little island was found little extra trivia here item. His and by this place. Found by Portuguese explores the dawn of the sixteenth century. No indigenous people were found living there, but the island had plenty of fresh water and soil good enough to grow fruit and vegetables. So they build a few structures plant a bunch of fruit trees and vegetables, import livestock, and they basically use it as kind of a sixteenth century truckstop for boats headed between Europe and South America or between. African South America or basically for any trade routes took sailors through that remote area today, a little less than five thousand people live there fulltime, and I so want to visit his place just got an airport a few years ago, it is so isolated many rescue attempts were allegedly planned by Bonaparte supporters, even one involving early submarines, but nothing came to fruition and polling with dive apparent stomach cancer on Saint in Saint Laurent, Saint Helena may fifth eighteen twenty one at the age of fifty one he requested to be buried in France along the banks of the scene amongst the French people have loved so much, but the British buried him on his curse rock and then in eighteen forty his body was finally dug up taking the France, although possibly not all of it. A couple of interesting pieces. Go missing allegedly more on that just a second. Even the French do not honor his burial wishes instead of burying him by the river or the river scene. He was entombed in the hotel day invalids in days ova lead a cemetery. For honored, French military leaders, and that takes us out of his was epic time suck timeline. Good job soldier made it back. Man. I know I may may have messed up some worse than I do feel like compared to earlier French base sucks better this time that is time feeling the French little more before arapahoe, but final thoughts and tell you. It's talk about those missing body parts for a second. The main one, of course is his penis. And it's almost certainly miss. But it's interesting with the French doctor working on the polio corpse in Saint Helena, and perhaps one of the most brazen cases of malpractice in human history. If it did happen, supposedly took a couple of souvenirs Kutina Bonaparte rib, and the emperor's wean, and he was not secretive about it the mid states that there apparently seventeen eye. Witnesses watched a doctor cut off the. Rounded up manhood and just put it in a little box, which seems legit. Just a big group of people gathered around a doctor cutting off a rotten dick right with their even still be anything. They're like twenty years later. And then this weird Dr supposedly gave the emperor's man roots in Napoleon's personal chaplain who took it to Corsica chaplain his killed in some unrelated blood feud, but the one point five inch the mummified PB of the God king manages to stay in his family for a hundred years Napoleon's tiny rotted dick apparently is passed down through several generations of the same family that in one thousand nine hundred four English bookseller requires it puts it in a jar and like a proper English gentlemen labels at a mummified tendon. And then later it sold for four hundred pounds finds his way to Philadelphia in one thousand nine hundred twenty seven the French art museum in New York apparently gets a hold of it displays Napoleon's dick for a bit tries to sell it back to France. They don't want to buy it probably because it's not Napoleon's dick than eight years later. One of the world's most famous neurologist, John k ladder. Mer buys Napoleon's Dingle dangle for three thousand dollars this guy also worked as neurologist of the Nuremberg trials went onto become somewhat famous for collecting creepy shit part of his collection was a bit of blood soaked fabric from inside JFK's limousine, bloody collar worn by Abe Lincoln the night of his assassination assassination and the Latimer family is still allegedly in possession of Napoleon's, mud hammer. I can imagine someone in the Latimer family, just, you know, just waiting for for grandparent to die. So they can get their hands on that Wang. You know, just come home come on a won't that sweet clean Pauline. So that's that that's legend, probably not true. But interesting story. So what a life Napoleon lived. All right, people die pretty much everywhere. He went. He also helped modernize the military law, education, accounting and banking. He pushed science and the arts he was responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of men and his effort to take over the world. But our world has also benefited many ways from his influence some historians like lump two point in with. The most vicious tyrants in history, like Hitler and Stalin. Others place him in high esteem was was great men like Charlemagne Alexander the great the guy who invented yoga pants hails to them recent article on towards data science dot com ranked all military generals created a list of the best war commanders ever. And based on whatever stats they use Napoleon blew everyone away number one by a landslide more than doubling the runner up on the list, Julius Caesar. I mean, he was I mean, he was he fought like, basically all of the rest of Europe for longtime Napoleon Bonaparte was brilliant. Innovative, also, brutal and petty reshape the world we let a lot of corpses behind him famous for being able to inspire men who fought him into battle. But also very reckless with their lives when they did sell. Talented propagandists, part of the reason we talk about today is he he used propaganda to you know, exaggerate his mythology, you know, perhaps more than anything to pull in like, I said earlier showed a single life. You know, can do what what one little shave date with tools can accomplish in a lifetime. With a lot of Embiid dumped load truck self confidence in a bit of luck. You know, you can you can fit your way to a place in history forever. Pretty amazing. What meets AC what one meets second accomplish. For better for worse with one short life on this planet. Interesting Napoleon himself thought of how his legacy would be remembered he would write towards end of his life in spite of all the libels. I have no fear. Whatever about my fame. Posterity will do me Justice. The truth will be known and the good which I have done with the Foltz, which I've committed will be compared I am not uneasy for the results had I succeeded. I should have died with the reputation of the greatest man that ever existed as it is. Although I have failed. I shall be considered. As an extraordinary man, my elevations was unparalleled because unaccompanied by crime. I have fought fifty pitched battles almost all of which I have gained I have Fe framed and carried into. A code of laws that will bear mind name to the most distant prosperity from nothing. I raised myself to be the most powerful monarch in the world. Europe was at my feet. Miam-? Bishen was great I admit, but it was of a cold nature and caused by events in the opinion of great bodies. I have always been of opinion that the sovereignty lay in the people. In fact, the imperial government was kind of a Republic call to the head of it by the voice of the nation. My maxim was my oh, my maximum was the career is open to talents without distinction of birth or fortune. And this system of equality is the reason that you're all agog hate me so much. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of an interesting perspective on his life, man. His ambition was to be the the greatest man in the world that ever known. And I think that people hated him so much because you continually fucking kill people and your Europe everywhere, you were the you were the worst, and that way and that way you're a worse than every serial killer. We've ever talked about combined. Okay. Lot of info. Let's let's hit the high notes again, re summarize some learn a little bit more with today's top five takeaways time. By taking away number one Europe should still be thinking a Great Britain for stopping the Polian every time he got some momentum. They were right there to sink his battleships number two had the British. Not sunk Napoleon's battleships while he was Egypt. There's a chance he would have still we still have no idea. What how would they mean? Number three, France fought bloody French revolution specifically to remove a Royal dictator. And when it was all said and done they ended up with the with another dictator Napoleon if you're gonna find for change make sure that if you win you actually truly change some things number four Napoleon was born on one small island not bothering anyone and fifty one years later he would die on another little island not bothering anyone again in between. He would wreak havoc on Europe. Unlike anyone ever had for over two decades, number five new info, a lot of people died because of Napoleon like so many impossible to determine exactly how many total, but it's s. Estimated that anywhere from three million two hundred fifty thousand to six million five hundred thousand died in the Napoleonic wars. And that total includes you know, military of all sides civilians of all sides, and that total does not include Napoleon's, Egyptian or Haitian or Middle Eastern or other pre Napoleonic war battles lot of death time. Bye. So that's it for this week. Wow. Napoleon big suck. We sucked. It. I know. There was a lot. We didn't get to the dude live way way way way too much life to have it properly investigated in a couple of hours. You know, we can do an entire podcast easily dedicated to just Napoleon, you know, and run it for for long long time. But I think we give a nice overview today. No, no shortage of info out there on the the internet. 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It's insane. Workweek this week in the suck dungeon gotta give them proper proper enter later when not touring with the happy murder tour stand up for a week. And by the way, you know, going to be in Des Moines. Kansas City in Nashville, you know, coming up here soon this week and then Dallas and Houston soon after nets. We can times we head north for more history. Sucked. The Vikings hair Odin gillnet spider horse, the Vikings much more complicated than just the brutal. Sociopath. Often portrayed us wasn't just raping and pillaging. We're gonna find out how the descendants Vike warriors evolved from international pirates and slavers to some of the modern world's most advanced together. Terry nation's going to cover a few thousand years north history and a single suck going to try not to humiliate are growing group of Scandinavia. Suckers in the process. I know in Sweden, especially we're getting more and more suckers gonna talk about beserk IRS. The Viking discovery of North America gonna look into the lives of some famous. Vikings such as Eric to read Leif, Eriksson, an Olaf some last fucking name crazy ass word. I hope to have a better handle on next week and many of the Vikings. We're gonna revisit some of the north mythology from our Norse mythology suck and a lot more time. Now for today's time sucker updates. In times update. Okay. I update talking about a lot of war today. Have an interesting World War. One suck up date coming in from Cameron Wilkinson Cameron writes dear loose Athena's chief Kista hor just wanted to. Thank you for a wonderfully dark and informative podcast. It's really helped me bond with my brother after not seeing him for two years HALE Nimrod, I love that. I talked to a lot of time suckers at after the Cleveland livestock, and I love hearing stories about people getting closer with family friends, making new friends for me new bonds because of just have an interesting shift to talk about every week. I just got done with your World War One suck and thought it was awesome. If I could just add one thing I'd like to talk about the aviation innovations that took place before interrupted gear or even the protective plane on the back of the propeller blades were thought of now, this is interrupted gears. What allowed you know, the the fighter planes back on what went to shoot in between the propellers as they're flying. So they can you know, how these mounted gun shoot the other planes. We'll before this German and French reconnaissance aircraft would try to shoot each other down by firing rifles and handguns most likely revolvers at each other while passing by kind of like jousting the air thought, you might find that interesting. 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173: Fighting an Uphill Battle: The PATH w/ Medal of Honor Recipient, Ron Shurer

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173: Fighting an Uphill Battle: The PATH w/ Medal of Honor Recipient, Ron Shurer

"This is Jaakko podcast number one seventy three with echo, Charles imme-, Jaakko Milic, good evening echo. Good evening. Sure, analyzed the wound. Wallin was bleeding from his neck. So he pulled out gauze and started examining the wound to assess the damage Wallin's airway looked fine. There was no vascular damage, the medic could tell that the wound wasn't life threatening. But the blood was still flowing. You're going to be okay. He said robbing galls on the wound. He began exerting pressure to stop the bleeding. Are you? Sure Wallin asked. Yes. I'm sure. The fire was nonstop. Sure. Didn't think it could get much worse. Until he heard a frantic call from Walton on the radio bear Morales and CK had been hit and they needed. Sure up there fast. Did you hear that wall and asked? Yeah, I heard it. Sure. Sure. Said. His bleeding was minimal. I'm good Wallen said go get them. Getting the Waltons team though posed a great risk. A medic is taught not to put himself in any unnecessary danger. He has to stay alive. So other soldiers can live. But it had reached a point in the battle where he had to go. So sure grabbed his bag. And headed into the fire. And that is a passage from a book called no way out a story of valor in the mountains of Afghanistan by an often name, Mitch Weiss. And it tells the story. Of the men of operational detachment alpha three three three six. It's a special forces ODA team going after a high value target in the shock valley in Afghanistan. But when they got on the ground for this mission. They were. In a bad tax was issue. They were outnumbered they were outgunned. But they did have one thing that could not be beaten. And that was the will to survive and the bonds of brotherhood that could not be broken. And on top of those things. There was incredible courage on display from all the men of the team above and beyond the call of duty and one of those men. The medic rancher fought not only against the enemy but fought to save the lives of his teammates. And it is an absolute honor to have Ron here with us tonight to share some of the lessons from that day in Afghanistan and from the rest of the things that he's been through and lived through on his. Journey through life. So ron. Thanks for coming on, man. Now. Thanks so much for having may have you know, honestly, bene- fan of the show for a long time. And you know when you guys offered. Kind of weird to think about coming on. But it's definitely a pleasure. Well, minutes great to meet you and we'll get to shock valley. But you know, let's let's figure out a little bit about who you were where you came from. How you grew up. I know one interesting factor start. This thing off is that you were born on December seventh Pearl Harbor day Hess, born December seventh. Obviously a few years later than nineteen forty one. By I grew up with that. And for some reason, my parents always thought it was a good idea to like get me news articles, or or other reporting from Pearl Harbor and says like six or seven year old k read this I go, I don't know why. But yeah, it always just, you know. You know, was was something that that we talked about as as part of my my birthday and happy birthday. Let me tell you about Pearl Harbor site. Exactly. Yeah. Was your grandfather in your grandfather served? My grandfather did serve he was in the the navy. Susan the Pacific for several years. He. I'm trying to remember he was on the smaller aircraft carriers that they had found the Pacific. So he's on several of those aircraft Ganic in dodge and kamikazes for sure another things are done a bunch of books on in Q from World War, Two sailors in World War Two. It's those books are absolutely insane. And what those guys live through was horrific. I I look at that. And maybe this is just me. I don't know how you feel. If given the option of being in an engine room on a on a destroyer in World War Two hot sweating. And by the way, kamikazes like you said or two repeaters are going to slam into it anytime, there's nothing you can do about it versus storm in the beach Allstone the beach all day long. Like, that's me. I don't know one hundred percent. I would rather. Hito in land warfare combat like, if you're gonna shoot me, I got a chance to show back, and maybe this'll work out my way, maybe it works out your way, but we throw water in and all those other crashers like, no, thanks. Yeah. I know I owe it to those sailors suit to cover some of those books man, those those books, but you know, with your with your grandfather, I mean just to live through that. I can't even imagine coming back from that what your normal life is like after you've lived through World War Two as a as a sailor in the Pacific theater. Oh, man, crazy. Yeah. My my grandfather. He he served in the Pacific. My great grandfather was in World War One shooting artillery. That's at the Germans so the family history. And and we have some family history. Goes back all the way to the civil war of gets a little. You know, Lamar cousin level and hair. But yeah, they we've been when fighting wars for this country for a long time, both your parents as well, both my parents were in the air force. That's where they actually met was in the air force and. Yeah. We've just had that family history of service that was that was pretty normal. And and where were they stationed would you spend most of your childhood? I think like most military, you know, kids, you know, I was born in Alaska, but then moved to Eleanor Doorly. Remember, any of either those places I buy say remember is mountain home, Idaho. Which is just. Tiny little place about an hour, south of Boise. And then from there, I kinda we'll call Washington state home because I I spent th grade on growing up in Washington who so Big Joe there. Yeah. My my dad ended up retiring in almost ninety one from the air force. And then. Which kind of stayed there afterwards, and you were the only child. Yeah. So that means those those birthdays where especially heavy thing Pierce Hillary. I got four kids. I know you got to I got four kids in you. You can have a birthday, and you don't even my bad parent. I don't know probably. Yeah. Probably. Yeah. Because it birthday we do anything for my birdie. I dunno when's your birthday today? Oh, okay. Anyways. My wife blows it out for our kids. She's she's great at that. I just kind of go along for the ride at my wife doesn't much better job than I do as well. I'm the person that's looking at the whole situation saying what does this stuff hanging up for? Oh. Right. What what did I get them per birthday? Yeah. So going to school where we playing sports what were you doing? What was your gigging in in school? I played the usual sports growing up. You know soccer baseball what I really kind of gravity hit gravitated towards as a is. I kept growing up was your endurance sports. So I started my dad was doing ball. And so I started doing that dad was doing traff on. So he did the he did many triathlons he did the Canadian ironman a couple of times. And so kind of grew up watching that. So I started with traffic in high school, and then pretty quickly switched over to just cycling road road racing cycling. And I know I think I think those four or five six hour days on a bike gummy ready for a. Trading company on a bike, right, right? I've never raised a bite before. But I know guys that race bike, and it's just pain. It's just how much pain can you take right? Basically just you long stretch of road. And you just keep on riding. And and apparently got some kind of crash. Both several times. Well, I know that I know that there's a little disruption in your plans because you get done with high school, and you want to join the Marine Corps or you get done with college. You wanna join the Marine Corps. Okay. So yeah. I went to Washington state university was getting ready to graduate in the spring of two thousand one and so started talking to Marine Corps, officer recruiter. And what did that process your mom and dad feel about that? They were air force is one side of the spectrum Marine Corps is on the other side. At least at least I was good. I was talking about the officer side or when I later said, hey, I'm joining the army enlisted, then they just they just lost them. What are you doing? But yeah. So that's getting ready to graduate Washington state start talking to the Marine Corps and went through the process. We basically wasn't accepted through the Marine Corps program to go to OCS starting in October of two thousand one but the navy medical board had seen what they thought was a flag on my my medical records from being hit by a car in nineteen ninety-five. And so I ended up spending a day in the hospital back then with pancreatitis, which usually would be considered a related to drug abuse, alcoholism, just something serious or you have some serious medical condition. And so because they told me no in August of two thousand one that now, we're good. We don't we don't need anybody. So you kind of got let's dry there. And then so then what was your plan? From there. I started to graduate school and original degree in business economics. Did you do you get that degree? But you knew you wanted to go in the military. I mean, you you or did you get done with your degree and say, oh, no, what am I gonna do? Now, maybe on the Marine Corps a little bit of both. So service was definitely always a part of our family life growing up. And so it's definitely in the back of my mind. I I need to give back to something for the country. Never quite knew what? And then. And trying to CS just seem like something to do for a while and give back and then when that didn't work out. I started graduate school to use that as kind of a reset time figure out. Okay. That's not working out. Now, what can I do? And you know, a few weeks into that that nine eleven happened. And then we had to revisit revisit the decisions. Again. It's what did you do? Once. What's September eleventh happened? So it wasn't graduate school for for economics. And. And spent in it's been in that first year. Continuing education and just watching watching it on TV and just didn't feel bright to sit there and watch it. So try to figure out what what made sense at that point to to do. And then for some reason listing in your army sounded like a good idea. So so that the summer of two thousand two I went down an army recruiter. And of course, that time there were like sure, we'll take it. We can pick and scratch that we don't get what medical. Now, did you did you know you wanted to try for US F at that point? They they talk to me about going in with SF contract. And definitely sounded interesting. But on a part of me just didn't feel. Like by go that I could be an SF guy. Because I grow up just like everybody watching Rambo your washing other things like that's what a green Bray is certainly don't don't fit that mold. But so they talked about that. But I was like, well, let me get let me get some experience in the military. And then we'll go from there. So I I signed up to be a medic who did basic training. Prayed in the name right now for Jackson, South Carolina, and then went off to fort Sam, Houston, and then went to airborne school. And along that way got I ended up getting myself ranger contract to try and go to the center for the Rangers. So at some point you you realize to all right? I'm going to step up and try and go to a little bit more special operation side. Something got in your head at some point in my head. And if I remember correctly, I think it was to Korea. That was my though the first thing that came through like a let me see what else I could do. So I I talked to recruiters got got the the ranger. What was a contract that point? But I got that set up. So. It might be different. But after after airborne school in any infantry guys are or medics or whoever's trying to go to to the ranger you you'd go out the next day, wait on the little lines out there at airborne school. And they'd come by look through your paperwork pick you up and take you take you over. So they come out they start flipping through everybody's stuff, and they get to mind, and they start looking at my paperwork, which is still the same paperwork from trying to do them Marine Corps CS thing. And so it's of course, a disaster. It's, you know, not physically qualified, but then there's like lines through that waivers and arrows and just don's ends. But they look at that. And they're likely you're not physically qualified to be. Here. And so they just come drop. My paperwork took everybody else and left me left me stand in there. So now had to revisit. What to do again? So I ended up spending a few weeks sitting there Ron school just kind of being. You know, political? You know, whatever they needed done that sucked. They'd they'd make me do while. I waited on new orders to go somewhere. Yeah. We did. I did that for a little while. And it finally got orders up to Fort Bragg to go to the forty four th medical command. And so well, as you know, packing up all my stuff. Head up to Fort Bragg. And fortunately, my medical records got lost along the way say fortunately, unfortunately, God, I'm I'm a specialist in the army. You know, I don't wanna lose stuff and show up. But it it got lost the way. So. Medical paperwork, redone. None of that. None of those waivers. Got all that situated. Reported in my unit on I think it was a Thursday some Thursday and in August. In two thousand and three at that point. That's because those those army medic schools are a long time, basically. So at this point you've been through boot camp army boot camp. And then you went to are to be a medic. How long is the training to be a like an infantry medic- medic- was four months. Okay. So a yeah. Did basic did the the medical school and then yet an airborne school? And then that interim time while they try and figure out something to do with me. And so showed up to my my unit went after you in process in August of two thousand three. First day, we do PT, then I Archer and calls me. And like, hey, what do you want to do with your your life plan on putting in SF packet try this try something else again? And again, the thing. That's what's driving you to do that. Like, did you see some SF guys? Did you talk to semes- f- guys? Did you watch Rambo again? What was the persuading factory? I don't know. I think it was. A mixture of a lot of different emotions, and I. I'd had nothing to validate my feelings because I was just some specialists in the army, but as like think I'm pretty good at this stuff. So let me let me try and push myself a little bit harder and try and. Find something else to do. So I I put it in for f-. There's a guy named Travis mills you Travis mills, he's an awesome guy. But he we he was on the podcast. And and he's a he's a quadruple amputee. And he's like the got the the damn spirit of of a freaking like the ultimate human being warrior. But anyways when he was growing up. He played varsity, football and basketball, whatever he played every sport, he broke all these records. He was this big strapping guy told like a total stunned just just a total stud, and you know, asked him well know, how come you didn't try for Rangers somebody's he's or why don't you try for special forces? He's like, I I didn't think I could make it. And there's like this thing where like for me. I I'm one eighth of the athlete and the physical specimen that Travis mills is, but I was just dumber. Which is dumb enough to say, oh, I think I can make trading bring it on. You know, you miss too smart to say, you know, he was too smart and fame you choose to humble really to humble because I had some level of arrogance. I mean, I think there's a difference between that happens on a fairly regular basis, you know, special operations and special forces has this kind of mythical buildup where people start to think. Well, I don't know if I can actually make it through that. It's gotta be so hard. Whereas I'm always looking people like, oh, you were a wrestler, or oh, you played football varsity football and your high school or you. You swam on the swim team or whatever you'll be fine. Like, you can do it. But people build it up to that mythical level that you don't think you can make it. So the reason I was asking that. Because it's it sounds like you made a transition from. I don't know if I can do that. And then once you're there, and you're looking around you're going you can actually do that. You got you either got dumber. Yeah. You just got more, you know. And that's what I think it is. I think it is you see you see yourself in comparison with everyone else's there, and you go. Okay, cool. I I'm I'm hanging with these guys I can probably make this up. And so now, that's cool. That's cool. Yeah. And so. Say now, we're talking. That fall two thousand three. So I've ghanistan -t's real in Iraq is is going at that time the the unit I was in the a medical sport company. They weren't even supposed to deploy think the calendar had them going like two dozen five. So you're like that's a lifetime. I came all the way here to not go anywhere. So so I I put in for selection. We got we got got those medical records, redone. So I go so I went in January of two thousand four to selection, and now we can always talk about that more. But when I came back, then my unit is all in desert camouflage, uniforms, guys. Guess you has gone somewhere. And they're like things changed and those three weeks we're gone for going on like four weeks. Oh, so so you went to special so they send you do. They send you like TAD to special forces selection is that what happens like temporary, they don't transfer. You there permanently? They just send you for correct. For for the three week selection process. You just get temple orders over. He do your thing. If you get selected, then you wait for orders to go full time to the Q course. And then that initial selection is just like a beatdown. Yeah. Three weeks. Probably not a different than most Laotians for different Sofyan. It's around the world for a walk in the woods with heavy bags get lost. And then we're gonna make you carry heavy stuff. And remember, log Salata logs, then he did care hate. Apparently. They didn't belong over here. They belonged over there. How'd you do in that? Did you feel all right? I mean, honestly, I didn't know what I was getting myself into. So I passed I got selected, but I didn't feel like I was where I wanted to be for that process. It definitely beat me up more than I thought it should. And it it helped set me. So I spent the next couple of months when I was getting ready for those orders, really resetting. The way I was training was getting getting myself mentally prepared for it. And so once I got to the face to, of course, by thought that was how you're a little older because you did call and this was you two thousand four. So I was at that point twenty five was that older for maybe twenty s that was going through non not for special forces. I was definitely one of the oldest guys at basic training when I was going through, but for for special forces, it tends to be those older guys who've been in the army for a little while if I've seen stuff got some experience, and then decide they wanted to explore some different routes. So you come back from the initial selection course, and all your guys are in desert gaming, they're getting rid. So did they end up two point quickly? They deployed a couple of weeks later the record Afghan. They went to Iraq. Did they did they run the cash in Baghdad? Some of them were there east doing. I wanna say they were doing prisoner. You know, DJ support some of the prisons. But luckily, my company commander pulled me in in their office in basically said, yeah, you're on these orders. But if you wanna you wanna go. Pursue something else might see some value in that. So if you want to go, you can go and company commander took care of you and said, you can go the Q course. Yeah. That's awesome. You know, what's cool about that? Is that guy? Just leaves a good impression on you about the army. You know what? I mean. I always think that when I was a young enlisted guy and somebody could either, you know, maybe screw you over is a hard term. But you know, some could either like look out for you. Or just kind of let the big green machine do its thing in when someone actually looks out for you just give you such a much better appreciation and and connection to you know, like I'd guys that looked out for me when I was a new guy. And I always that that just heightens your commitment to the team, you know, that there's people like that. Whereas the people that try, and you know, you're going to do this anyways needs of the navy. That's what they say the in in the navy. They say needs of the navy those needs the navy. So. Well, and you're gonna get some. And so after my company deployed, basically, our our battalion had four companies to deployed to stayed behind. So we kind of fell under the two that had stayed behind. And there was some people over there who had that attitude of you think you're better than us. Like, I I don't I'm just trying something different. And so they made life interesting for a little while. But we got through it. And then what did you trae? What did you change differently about your training? We you learned from selection. Like, okay, I need to work on hump and rock Mawr or whatever. What was the what was the big things that you learn you needed to work on? More weight and moved faster. I mean, not to. It's pretty simple. Really may. I'm not a big I'm five six at the time. I went to selection, I think I was about a hundred and thirty five pounds. So you you put on that way. And it's it's a lot. So I I put on some more weight. I just got a little more used to to move in with that. And because you got to carry doesn't matter if you weigh two hundred and twenty pounds or one hundred twenty pounds, you gotta carry the same weight, right? Yeah. The packing lists is what it is the minimum weight for the day is what it is. As a matter. If you're six foot three or or five foot six you're just going to go get some. And then how was the Q course. Heures delphi. I thought it was really really good course. I thought it I thought he did a great job. Getting you ready for? Things I had no experience in. So it's all it's all changed around a little bit since then. But so for me when I showed up yo through small unit tactics portioned, basically learn how to, you know, be an infantryman Winston from from being a medic, I had the basic training experience. But I didn't know anything really about that. So he spent about a month and a half she learning how to move with with a small unit. You know, just the basic Bill military drills brain contact initiate ambushes those things and then from there, we started the medical course, which for SF medics is a is a year. Basically just learning every single thing. They could teach us in a year, you know, of course, trauma medicine heavily enforced, and then you know, just all the weird and random diseases. You might see around the world, I actually met my future wife during the medic course. And so when I go see you're on the weekends. I pull out, you know, medical manuals and be like all right start you, sir, grilling me on these things. And so she pretends she had whatever random disease you could get in the from around the world. It was it was pretty fun date nights. It over. I don't know why she and she put up with it. But she did. And so where were you when you were where's that chunk of? The course take place is. That's that's eighteen delta, right? Yeah. Maybe through the delta, of course, all the SF. The Q course was a whole all based at Fort Bragg. So I was already at Fort Bragg. So it really nice had move across boast when I started and then. Are they when you're going through eighteen delta are they still are you still doing tactical physical evolution? Or is it like really starting to get focused on classroom really focused on the the the the medical aspect of stuff. There's a lot of classroom stuff because they got a lot of you got to teach you, but they do they also do a great job of pulling out in the woods and. Can't remember all the different segments of the chorus? Be have come at trauma lanes. You have just so many different portions where you get used to trading people out in out in the dirt. And I remember. So I I think I started that course in August September of two thousand and four and so we roll through the winter. And I still distinctly remember being out in the woods in January when it's like fifteen degrees. And you're the patient, and you know, like somebody who their somebody's working on you, you know, to practice, you're like fleas, do it faster. So I can I can get out of this. 'cause you know, you how do you treat a patient who's wounded you have to expose rivers flows. Those. So they'd be going through stuff. And they'd be like, you know, you know, do you feel this or do you feel that and like the patient saying, yes, but no, I don't feel that because my my feet or frozen right now. But so it was it was a great course we did. To one month blocks where you go out to hospitals around the country in Burke in ers or work with. Anywhere in the hospital. Obi just different aspects of good local fire houses right on the ambulances. Get those experiences. So yeah. The the medical training and the seals used to go to eighteen delta are sealed Corman used to go to eighteen delta you don't want anymore. Now, they have a separate course. But the training that they got and the training that the that course, provided is just awesome training. It's legendary awesome training. And who knows how many lives have been saved because guys went through that that block training, and we're just so good. And at doing all this stuff under a poncho at night stopping bleeding working on you know, healing people with all kinds of you know, in inclement weather in the dirt. Like, you said all that stuff. There's the the training that they prepped our medical guys for was phenomenal. Yeah. I was super impressed having been a medic before. And then kind of stepping. It up a level that it was. It was really. Really nice to see where we're gonna take a year. We're going to really take our time. Teach you everything you need to know from the ground up. Yeah. And just continue to build those basics. You know from starting early on with classes sticks and rags like everything else is going to be great. We're gonna teach you that stuff. But you know, sometimes it's literally just a stick in a rag. You can stop a lot of stuff you can save a lot of people long as you've had that experience. And then, of course, moving on later to usually he must Attock agents, you know, to like quick cloud or something really slept with like, okay. This is easy now because I had to stop it last week with literally go find a stick and cut up some clothes t shirt. Now, you're giving me actual materials. Like, okay, I got this going back to the Q course, the initial kickoff of the Q course, was there anything that you had major issues with. What do you mean like nature do what you're going through not selection? But through the Q course was there anything that you like I'm not gonna make it through this. I'm gonna fail this. I'm not good enough at this. Like for me. I wasn't really good at anything. I was like everything that I did. Because basically every week going through seal training, you get tested on you get a time drawn you get a time to swim. You get a timed, obstacle course. And then there's usually some kind of a water evolution that they're going to test you on whether it's underwater, not tying or lifesaving or breath, hold or whatever they've got these evolutions for you. And they're stacked up, and that's one of the biggest pressures that that I felt going through was if you for me like to to pass a formal run, which when I went through the the runs were not four miles. They were however long they happen to be that day. They might be three point eight. They might be four point six no one knew soft sand high tide and. I failed one run because I decided I was going to pace myself. And that was not smart and after that one run then I failed. I just had to go as hard as I could for the whole time. Instead said a sprint is hard as it could. And then I pass, and it was kind of the same thing for everything. Like, I just had to go hard. But you know, I was worried that oh, I might fail another swim. I might fail. Was there anything where you were thinking to yourself man, if I don't if I don't pay attention. I might not make it through this training. I'll say any of the any of the time we're out in the woods doing in produced off because I just I didn't have that experience. Worked my butt off trying to learn trying to pick up follow the guys like that guy's been a ranger school. He he's done this. He's done a combat deployment. Let me may hang out a little closer to that guy. And see see what he does when we're setting up a patrol base. Those kind of things. Honestly. I think like a lot of people have that two sides of the coin on me like I have that little bit of. Dumb era Gance like I can do this. But then I also have that I don't belong anywhere near these guys. Like, these guys are. You know, they've been there actually done that. I what have I done? So I was always trying to find that balance internally of. Yeah, I can do this or or no I can just that's a big difference between when you go through seal training pretty much everyone's going through training is not been not done anything before. So even because you might have been the regular navy, but even most guys haven't even been the regular navy. Most guys are just go through boot camp, you go through prep course. And then you go show but buds, and that's it. That's that's what you do. So there's no you're not looking anyone going out of the sky. This guy's done stuff before anything like that. And also, you're not doing anything it in in basic seal training. You're just there's no tactical. There's barely any tactical knowledge being taught at all. It's like carry this boat on your head for a long time. And it's gonna hurt a lot. And then when it hurts a lot keep going right in mean, SF definitely has that aspect too. Like, if if we find the right people, we can try. In you at any point on what we want you to do. But we just gotta make sure, you know, you're not gonna quit on us. And and. I think just along the way I was just I was too stubborn to to quit. Definitely. I definitely wanted to all the time. But. To give him the satisfaction. So so then you get done with that you get done with the Q. Course you get done with eighteen delta. And then when do you get when do they give you your green beret? So for us ended up finishing the entire Q course in may of two thousand six so I done selection in January two thousand four had a couple month break, while waited on orders started the Q course, proper in June of two thousand four and then may of two thousand six when I I graduated dang. That's a long pipeline. Isn't it? It's a long pipeline. And that's. Zero recycles zero getting injured. That's just that's just what it is. All the other jobs. Are they teach you the job at about three months, whereas a medic that each in twelve months, and so everybody else can be that much shorter than than our pipeline. But so it was may that's when I got the Bragg graduated. You course, got my orders over to a third group as you were you married. Did you get married yet? So graduated the Q course in may of of two thousand six right? Yeah. And so I got that couple week break before reporting to my unit, my wife, and I got engaged and then so I reported over two third group towards the end of June of two thousand six and they say, hey, go over to third battalion. They're gonna get you slotted Thurber times. Like, hey, go to Charlie company, and I show up to Charlie company. Three three. And there's there's nobody there like. Like, my the first guy here what's going on. And there there was one guy in there. And he's like, oh, everybody's on block leave because we're going ghanistan in a couple of weeks. So I went home. Told Miranda the situation and. So we really had a quickie marriage, but we don't wanna have to try and plan while I was gone. And then there's also those aspects of you know, military, it doesn't give a damn about some girlfriend or fiancee or anything. And so we, you know, we decided, you know, she wants, you know, an actual wedding ring and actual dress. You know, you know, these things can we get them done. We got it done. We got married, and then I didn't do a quick wedding. But you got married in two weeks. So he was like three weeks. That's awesome. It wasn't like a a low pronto way. Because we'd been together a year and a half at that point. So yeah, it wasn't quick. But it was it was pretty quick. Also, did your did your family? How'd you tell your family? That X message. At that point in text really were that because you had to type so many, you know to to send a message. So we ended up bringing her parents, my parents, all that's often actually came out. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. We actually went where do you do non quickey quick marriage Vegas? So we all met up there. Oh, so so you did a Vegas wedding. And we're still going. I mean, what this summer will be thirteen years. Also, so yes, we got married did you request permission from your sergeant to get married. I did not even meet him. I just went to let you out of the compound. I just went on because nobody was there. So they just put me as soon as I showed up. I went right back on leave kind of got married, and it showed back up did some training. And then met a bunch of guys for the first time and deployed for seven months with them. And what was that first deployment like? I appointment. Was. Compare my second appointment it was it was fairly tame that. Fall two thousand six to two thousand seven timeframe of ghanistan. We were we were working with the Afghans doing this f thing partner with them during them take him out on missions. I don't know which we ended up in Gardez up ghanistan for some reason was hard to find trouble. Then obviously things have been flow in different areas and budget of that time really couldn't find too much work. So were you guys you guys were training up these Afghan national police and build relationships with them? And then you'd go out and do some kind of missions with them. But the a oh that you were in was relatively tame at the time. Yeah. So we work with the the army and the and the police just training them up trying to get them ready to take over their country. That's the SF mission is to train you up. So you can do the job. And I can I can go home. Obviously all SF have guys want to be a guy that go in and you know, blow the doors go in and clear it all yourselves, but as mission is to get somebody else to go do it for themselves. So. So for those that don't know that's the that is the tenant of the bit. That's the mission of the of the special forces of the green breys is to work with the whatever nation. You're in you build up their forces, you help them you train them prepare them. And then you advise him out on the battlefield and hopefully with your goal of allowing them to eventually not need your advisement anymore. That's what that's what the primary mission of special forces is and well in the seal teams we end up doing that as well. You know, we I don't know. I'm trying to think of when we actually started getting tasked with that. But you know, we that's what we do. Now to you know, we probably we lean towards direct action special reconnaissance that's kind of where we learnt lean towards you guys lean more towards, you know, training up guerrilla forces. But there's a lot of crossover and in all of us do everyone else's job to the best of our ability. But. Did you did you feel like the deployment was like what was your satisfaction? Was your personal satisfaction level of that deployment? I think most as guys you've just gone through alone train up. You've got all this experience, you're here raring to go and. That deployment. I mean. It was a good trip. But it was it was a little quieter than I think most the team would have liked. If you're going to be gone, and you're gonna miss your family for seven months. So would you guys can take them out to hit targets, and they're just would be you'd capture your bad guy or? Yes, or no they'd born putting up resistance. Yeah. We we did villages we go. We caught plenty of bad guys. Just they. At that point. I don't know. I think it was kind of a weird. Point in the war where the bad guys really they could quickly spot. This is S F, and they didn't really want too much to do with us. So they just you know pass today, we'll find we'll find another unit to attack. But yeah, it just we caught we cut guys. They just always went pretty pretty quickly. I mean, we we got in we get into a couple. Yeah. Just a couple contacting over there. But it was. Overall. It was just kind of quiet area at the wintertime, so showed up there in August of two thousand six and we stayed till March of cute though, I won't say March doesn't seven so. Yeah, it was is that winter when you kind of have that lull anyways of the wintertime, and like you said, I mean things just go up and down cycles, go up and down. People enemy gets agitated or they get beat down. And they take a tactical breath for a few months or whatever. And then you come home from that, deployment and. You're so then what happens? What's the life of an SF guy when you come home from that deployment you're going to start a workup to get ready to play again? Yeah. We already knew when we were going again. Basically the. At the time. There was three battalions aided upstanding up a four battalion in the group. So kind of two battalions would be on the next rotation. One. Would it be down in? So just happened. My battalion had to to back to back so to speak. So we had seven on seven often than seven hundred ten so we we knew right away soon as we got back when we're going. Do you? Do you try and cram in a quick workup into that time period? Of course. So. You know, you got back. So you got to first refit get everything research-related. Make sure make sure you know, all the stuff he broke his fixed. Kinda. Take a little bit of time just to decompress and then start the train up. And you know, we got got a few new guys on the team got a new team sergeant we got got a new team leader a couple of other guys. And you know, just getting everybody ready getting on the same page. Honestly, we the teams are doing we got. Then Scott forward. He was. Great coming from come from training. You come from some some different SF teams that had been over to Iraq in Afghanistan had been there, you know, early on in the war when it was it's lots of he he put us through a lot of training got us much more prepared than we were prepared for the first drive, but we were even better for the second one and. Yeah. We've finish up that training. Do a little bit more tell the boys like that. When you had the the the new team sergeant coming in. And he's all fired up to push you, guys hard and training was any pushback from that. Of course, all of us are you know, as f- guys on a little bit. Like, you know, even though he's teams are he's been around forever. Oh, who's this new guy coming on the team trying to tell us what to do? But you know, it didn't take very long to see. Okay. He's got all this great experience in in the training that he's putting us through was was definitely getting us for getting us ready, and how much how much support do you guys get for training? So do they do are you going through organized training or you guys running all the training yourself? It's the company does coordinates some stuff, but most of it's just have this level. So, you know, the team started kind of in coordination with the team later is kind of guiding the team would where they want him to be. But then. You know as SF is broken down. You have your your weapons sergeants who are supposed to be your weapons experts. You have your engineers who, you know, handle the demolitions and those things your communications guys in your medics. And so depending on the day might be my data teach. So I'm going to get two days this week to just put everybody through a mini. Medical course, getting them. Get them ready. Just in case, you know, some happens. I can't get there or something happens to me or something like that. So everybody everybody is a subject matter expert and just kind of tries to try to lift that whole whole team up to be the best. They can be. There's no. Obviously each job is the best at their job. Do you want to know as much as you can about everything? So that way. Me know when things go wrong. And that happened was kinda still theoretical to me. But yeah, when things went wrong, I handle this. And then you already knew when you're going to limit you, did you know where you're going on deployment as well. I don't remember when we found out what our next mission was a remember if it was early on or later, I think it was fairly early on in our build that we knew we were going to be working this time with the Afghan commandos, which was fairly new thing of the time. It was right around that time that the SF teams had just started Kate word and go through selection for the Afghan army. We're going to get the best. We can we're going to train them up more stabilities, Afghan commando battalions, and they're going to. You know, be the SF of Guinness, Dan. So I I can't remember exactly when but we knew we were going to be partnering with those guys. To do a little bit more of this trip. So you so your expectation was that things are going to be a little bit hotter on the second. Deployment. Correct. Did you believe that as a as like one cruise wonder guy that don't don't want appointment or you like things are going to be hotter? Or were you just thinking? Hey, it's going to be the same as last time. I think we all thought it was going to be a little bit more this trip. Just because my first trip it was you kind of had a little bit more of a region that your team was. So it just depends on what your region is doing God. Whereas this commandos could go anywhere the commandos. They were still fairly new. So there wasn't that many? So over the course of the second my second deployment, and we spent time in eastern Afghanistan, we spent time down in Canada. Are we spent I'm just going wherever they needed another battalion. Because like I said there wasn't very many. They were training them up. But it takes a little while to get get guys trained up. So you go onto point you show up there and you start working with commandos. How was your relationship the commandos how how how good were the commandos as you train them? They were there are much better than Dan non-selected force. I think that's just. You know as to be expected. You still going to have those? You know, variances in in your in your troops. You're but felt more comfortable. So they were they were fairly capable crew. I there were better. Understood. And so you're out there working with these guys. What type what types of missions? Were you doing just basically going after high value targets? Yeah. Yeah. We would we'd get into L on a high value target. We'd. You know, trying to again going back to trying to train them to do the job their country. So we'd work with. They're the team later for the team would start working with the, you know, the the command level over there. Okay. This is the objective. How how do you would you take it? And then they would kind of coordinate on a battle plan. For me. You know, I'd make sure they're medics. You know, we're we're training up getting getting ready. And then you know, when it came time for an actual mission. Then each one of us would have a squad or or have you you extra? How big is an Afghan commando squad. They were they're built around the same premise as a as a. Are an army, you know, light infantry unit. So you'd have. You know, nine ten dudes. Just depending on what what kind of squad you had with you on any given day. It's than you would be running your squad of Afghan commandos once you're out on the field. You would whatever that whatever just from your no longer just the medic. You're now a a little squad adviser for these Afghan commandos. Yeah. The. The the medic pieces always there for for eighteen delta, but you know, best medicine is superior firepower. So we can if we can if we can go in we hit them overwhelming force. Everybody's good. We win talking about how tough we are. And then we go home. And so, yeah, the primary role is to you know. Advise that squad leader on Mon how things are going. And then, you know, we also bring all the other assets that the US military comes with all that, you know, whether it's helicopter coverage or aircraft coverage. So we can we're getting those the, you know. The you know that that extra Intel that weekend pushed to these guys and be like, hey, this is going on. This is not going on. Let's let's fix this. Yeah. No up from me. I just wanted to kind of bring that out because it's it's pretty cool. When you think about it? You know, you're you could be this young soldier, and you're out there. And all of a sudden, you're working your element leader beat you go from being a medic or just being the demo guy or just being the communicator, all of a sudden it said, hey, you know, what? Now, you're doing that thing. But you're also gonna be advising which often times means you're actually leading the squad of commandos, and you're making sure that they're making the right moves. So that's very cool aspect of the job in my opinion. You know? Yeah. It was when you could see them getting better. It was definitely very rewarding. And. He as as you see them start to take more initiative and start to. To, you know, be up front with you like, okay. That's that's cool to see because I've been working with this guy for a while. And I remember one mission we were doing downing in Cantu. Har- they we ended up getting infield. And we start looking at our our GRE the grid reverence or there are a little map to see where we are. And we're looking at it, and it's one AM to and whatever it is like I have no idea where we are. We're not on this map. So. But we hear some gunfire. Let's go that way. So so I have one one on each operators with with me went by blade because they they all wanna him out their real names in these situations. But, you know, unlike blade, hey, let's get let's get the triplets are moving towards gunfire. And see what happens. Now we start moving. We're doing our thing. And at one point I look back and blade right there on my shoulder. He's doing his thing. Like. Where is everybody? And they hunkered down kind of a couple of terrain. Features back like, we gotta go get him. So, but so you start there, and then over time the gap shortens a little bit too. Yeah. Ideally where they're leading. What was the optimal? Like, how often would you guys go out and hit targets? It would vary pretend time, but with that. That. Training and advising piece we weren't going out like every night because like we got to take these guys from from ground up on mission, planning and everything. So we're going out several times a month to. On bigger missions. And then other little things as they came up. And when you so so it starts off these guys are not wanting to get anywhere. Do not want to get shot at their if there's rounds fired their hiding a couple of terrain features away, and then you're slowly progressing them building a relationship with them getting Noam the realize that they can actually do better. And that process is going on in you arrived. This was in two thousand seven you guys are derived in October two thousand seven hundred right? Yeah. Okay. And then and then you're doing one two three missions getting these guys trying to push him each time to to do a little bit more to take on a little bit more responsibility. And and this is just sort of the way it is what what kind of training. Are you doing on top of that? You're when you're back on bass, you're running them through immediate action drills. Your teach him out of shoot, move and communicate. That's basically what's going on teaching those those basic. You know infantry skills. Take him out to the range teach them how to clear buildings teaching him. You know, just all the things you need to continue to reinforce. And then like I said once you've got a mission. Like, okay, then we're gonna start going through those those tape drills and build out a little village here as best we can with our our budget, which was, you know, take better. And start building that stuff out. So that way like, okay, we're gonna fill here. Expect to walk. This way started going to those choreographed for her cels to get everybody. Get everybody ready. So knows you guys got ready to go into the shock valley. What was? Did it seem like just another mission? Did it seem like all this seems like it's going to be a little bit heavier? What was your what was your assessment of it getting ready to do it? There were definitely a few. Red flags that came with this mission. But there's red flags with with with most missions like they give us a gun in training for a reason. Like, they don't ask you to go to typify with somebody like, we you're always expecting something. But. But you know, it was just it was b we'd gone after high value targets before. We had Intel he's over here. We have until on what kind of what to expect. So. You know was. Are. The plan that win going with. Nobody was super excited about the idea of in filling at the bottom of a mountain, and then walk up that that does not sound fun. But it comes to the point where you know. This is the mission. All right, cool. We're gonna do this mission the best we can. And we're going to have what what how why did you guys have to answer it at the bottom of that hill. I think the decision was made that. You know, the Afghan commandos still being a little bit new like they they knew how to fast rope. Oh, we done us have. But. How many people do we want to risk enduring on the on that? And then just you know, if there is resistance, you know, what's gonna what's gonna come of that. And. Made. I try try not to get too caught up in. Well, maybe it would better if we we didn't filled in on top maybe would caught an RPG two forty seven right away. You can't you can't play that game. I've played that game with myself. And it's not a good game to play. Now. It doesn't mean that you don't look at it, and you go. Oh, yeah. Okay. Here's what we saw. This is why we made the decision. This is something that you might brothers that are out there that could be in the same situation where you're gonna make that decision. Consider how it worked out for me? Right. And and you know, this is. Well couple couple of weeks ago. It was eleven year from that battle. But I was actually talking to some SF guys not too long ago in there. Like, we still talk about that mission. We still talk about the the good which was the teamwork. The, you know, the everybody coming together get this get this job done as best we could. And we'd talk about the the less ideal parts as well. And and make sure that we don't. Learn for somebody else some sakes, don't don't repeat those. And I think that's the great part about SF. Is you have that humbleness? Like, hey, we did not do this. Right. Please. Learn we did this right? Please. Learn and yeah. And and again, the other side of that is like a you could look at this thing all day and say, well, you should've gone in fast rope and on and like you said, you take an RPG into one of those helicopters, and there's nine dead guys, or whatever and you go. Okay. Well, that wasn't a good plan. So you can make the best you can make a horrible decision, and it can work out. Well, you can make the best decision can work out horribly. So whether that that's like a that's the way it is. So what you do is try and learn from it and look at what you did and say, okay. Well, well, could we have done better? Could you tell from the the imagery and or the maps of the area what that terrain feature was like? 'cause I'll tell you what I was. I was getting ready for this podcast. I read a bunch about the operation, and I kept reading steep terrain, and you know, this that and the other thing, and then, and I kind of calculated in my mind, you know, what that looked like in my mind, and in my mind, it was it was pretty bad. It was like, okay must have been pretty challenging then I went and looked at actual footage because there's a bunch of actual footage because you guys had a combat photographer, and you had a bunch of overhead cover. I saw that Torri. Rubber? I could not believe it. I was I was I was saying, oh, my like as bad as everything sounded. It was ten times worse when I saw that terrain a-. I was like I can't believe that this that these guys did this. I agree. I don't just mean that for like, I was saying with the fact that you guys went up there everything that you had to do on that operation because the terrain was so steep. I couldn't believe that you guys got out of there. I mean, it was just crazy. Like, you know, I mean, you get used to you see the predator imagery beforehand. Kind of get a feel you've seen satellite imagery, get used to saying that stuff and you kinda. You learn to build on that variance of this is what it looks like there. But I know it's not going to be like that. And so you kind of you build in your right in your left limits. Like, this is kind of what I think I'm gonna see and it was still a little bit more than than at least for me of what I was expecting. It was no joke. It's it's a borderline cliff. I mean, it is Stephen anyone that's listening to this. You can go on YouTube, and you can Google battle of shock valley. And you'll you'll start seeing what what I'm talking about. It's it's it's some heavy steep terrain with the damn fortress on the top of it. I couldn't believe that either. I was like all that that is a fortress. How many Afghan commandos? Did you have with you? We inserted with right around one hundred okay of them. And then some my team, you know. So I go through it in my head about twelve dudes it when you when you add it all up we had about one hundred commandos and then. We we had a another SF team that was kind of further down in the valley trying to act as a blocking position down there. And so, but our main assault force. Mean? Yeah. It was about twelve dudes that kind of where that that main assaults do so. So you guys do you look at the plan? Everyone's kind of like, hey, it's going to be steep. It's going to be tough. This is what we do. Let's go get some. Yeah. We made we made some. Like accommodations for that like. Given what we're doing today? Obviously, you you always want your secondary. But. You know, if if that Baretta doesn't walk up the hill with you today like we understand we got we got to cut some ways because you're hearing yourselves down a little bit. We we did pare down what body armor? Oh, still went with with the plates that one with stow with the helmets. And when you're doing those pre-combat checks with your your your effing commandos. That was always the fun part is they motivated to to be there. And I remember one time where go pre-combat checks with a two forty gunners. So we've got a belt fed machine gun you carry this. This is your job. I started going through. And I find you know, the I m four MAG on like all right, dude. I mean, you don't carry them for, but I get it. And we ended up finding eight or nine and four MAGS on this, dude. Like key. Carey Carey more seven six two for the belt fed. I appreciate the, you know, you want to want to be ready, but focus focus in where I need you. Honey. That's kind of crazy. So so you guys, so how many how many helicopters was it? That was bringing you all in. There must have been a big package. But did you go on all at once? Like one giant lift is. It was one lift I it was couple couple Chinooks Cox everybody going in and then. Like, I said there was another team that kind of infield down there with a smaller commando package, and we had you know, some meal. Medical r f and stuff up in the air. If you things, you know, so we we definitely had. What seems like enough or going in? So you land in there, and how long does it take before you realize like, well, okay. This is this is we took a big bite. Well. I'll highlight. So I was the first guy get on the Chinook saw that that when the last guy to get off. You know, you know. Just having that responsibility. Make sure everybody gets off gets up safely. And so we hit the dome we hear the go and everybody's getting off helicopter so incredibly slowly. And and I'm at the the front, so I'm in the back of the line. I don't know what's going on. I'm just yelling at commandos like get off of this helicopter now like the more time, we're sitting here the more. If if there is a bad guy watching us, we're just giving him more time to watch us. So it's just taking forever. And I finally get to the back this Chinook, and I look out and I'm like, oh, we're like fifteen feet off the ground, the the the valley that we're in is just so rocky, and so such horrible terrain, even they're like, they they didn't land, Mike. Okay. This is why is it so long? So like everybody else in front of me. I very carefully. You know, sit down trying shimmy off the backs. I'm not breaking a leg before even start off to a good start. Yeah. It starts strong. So so we we get off the the Chinooks fly away. And then you just kind of get that that colds quiet of an Afghan valley. You know, there's that little bit of ice in in the water there. You know, it's just. It all you want to use the cliche like, it's too quiet. But. We the house, but. But yeah, we just we get out. There are far. Did you have to patrol up the valley before you were perpendicular to the target building? We're the target castle. Because that's what it looks like it. I mean, it, you know, in hindsight in the you know, you seeing up there, they they had fixed fighting positions ready to go. They were looking for castle. They were they were set. I would guess. Four hundred meters. And we got basically we in filled just basically. Trying to use angles just to make sure like we're not that far away. So if we have some element of surprise, we don't waste it all but not so close that you know, we're already in it before we get off. So yeah, it wasn't that far. So you weren't on the ground very long before you started to you start. You took fire from these guys from the castle. Yeah. I couldn't tell you. How long before the castle started shooting at us? Could have been five ten fifteen minutes. I don't think it was that long. So I was in the the the trailing element basically because I was the only US medic on the grounds there. I had my ethnic commando medics. But was the only only a team medic? There are you know, f the you're supposed to have two of this job to that job to the next ah? Fortunately, the the other medic on the team had been hurt on a previous mission. And then while he was recovering from that. He was in a vehicle rollover, which didn't help. So he got pulled out. So. Hostile do it. So. Yes. Ten fifteen minutes. Maybe at most we start walking walking up there. You can see the the lead assault force starting to work their way up and. Yeah. Everywhere. It's super steep on both your left, right? As you're as you're kind of looking at it. And they find one little area where you have those kind of terrorist like farm tears us kind of working up nonce where they figured out. Okay. What we're gonna work our way up there. And you can see them starting to make progress up the up the mountain and then. Distinctly? Remember, I saw one do dressed in blue. Blue Afghan garb. Sprint across the top of the hill with a with a rifle. And I don't I mean, I don't think he's the duty sorry shooting at us. But I saw that. And then within a few seconds and everything just kind of opened up on us and. Day started. Yeah. I one of my little sayings is always take the high ground. It will take you. And this was just a situation where you guys do you do not have the high ground at all. You guys are literally in a valley. How long was it before you took your first wounded? It was pretty quick. So we start taking the the fire. I my first job is is the my squad Afghan commando squad. So I started getting them situated. There's not much cover in there. Just smaller rocks bigger ox with that elevation and at various points. I mean, both sides we're kinda shooting at us. So I start getting them situated, and then very quickly haired the first call for medic one of the Afghan commandos had been shot. Luckily, it was a fairly minor wound. So I ran over to him started treating him. And while I was working on. Him just assessing the situation. That's when I remember watching many are jeez coming down. But one RPG in particular come down hit right in front of our lines that that guys were starting to form down in the in the. In the valley. And then a here calls for Ron coming down. And so I know right away. By Wallin had. Just been hurt. Like, I just know that right away because before every mission Ryan will come take his squad of the day and stand in front of me. And and hold them. Be like this is wrong. If something happens to me find wrong, then you get the next one. This is Ron something happens fine. Her on. And so they, you know, when the when the not call for medic, they're just calling for Ron, I okay, I know his squad that is so. Yeah. Kind of did that quick math like, okay? This guy. He's fine. He's he's really not gonna live or die based on anything. I do suck it up grab. He had a saw grab your saucer shooting back. Good luck and brand over towards Moorhead that that next call and like you'd read earlier I find Ryan pleading pretty pretty profusely from neck. And of course, now yet neck injury in. You gotta go through those quick calculations like normally how do you stop bleeding? Lots of pressure. Mike can't choke them to death notorious out here. So. Yeah. Just that's kind of started the my day of. Improvising. Trying to figure out how to get pressure. And I don't even remember exactly what I did too. Yeah. You just got caught shrapnel. I had several shrapnel wounds and in there, but. Now, you just doing those quick quick assessments. Okay. There's no bubbling which means pride and hit airway. You know? It's it's bleeding a law, but not bleeding that fast that I think it caught a karate at or something like that. So it was pretty lucky neck wound. Yeah. If you have to catch him shrapnel to the neck heated it pretty well. So yeah, why as I was working on him? Everybody's trying to figure out. What's was going on the mindsets? We're still assaulting this thing. Oh, yeah. Await we didn't just trumped me in in mental attitude 'cause I would have been oh, we just got launched by the way us you said, we got watched many RPG's when I get launched many RPG's at me from elevated position on assaulted that target. We're going somewhere else. Got a wounded guy got two hundred people. Yeah, we're we're not. We're not going any further up this hill. We're shooting RPG's back at them. We had I legitimately couldn't tell you are asking commandos real name. But he just he knew his name was Joe Pesci. That's that's what we called him. He looked like Joe Pesci. He was he was our Afghan commando RPG guy. And so he was kind of like looking at all of us look at the mountain, and pointing up there, and pointing it as RPG and Mike hell, yeah. Dude launch gift Joe. And so, yeah, let's see some goodfellas right here. Yeah. So so job as she started shooting back. So we start getting given back as good as they were. But see all that's kinik starting to go on. Working with Ryan trying to figure out what am I go back and get my squad. What what needs to happen? And that's what here on the radio the call from from up on the mountain that multiple guys we're now now wounded. I'm pretty sure the the call was at and you know, the three is at point or when did so. Basically told Ryan you're good have a nice day and grabbed my stuff just started working towards the mountain. Our team Lynn team Sergeant Scott forward and one of the the weapons guys Matt Williams. They started organizing a response force to to get up there and start flexing a little more muscle up on the hill. So there there were going to do that. My focus is hey, I need to go. So know. At the mountains. Start working my way way up this same terrorists features that I talked about before you know, it is climbing hand over hand over hand you're climbing get up to the next terrace. Figure out how much we're being shot at right now, whereas it coming from whereas the next place I can go up and just start working our way up as as we went up. You know, the the other support element kind of got got with me, and we all started taking that terrain together. Took a took a while to get there. I don't I don't know the they put out their estimates with how long it took me to get there. Got up to the the. Little outcropping that had become. You know, where that we're the we're the command element was. Well, it was in. Sir processing, the situation that we had. Whereas I right as I'm looking at it. I can see one of our temperatures CK he appears to be gay to the to the team guys were or down with the. Different wounds. And so I started trying to go through the fastest. Triage that I can to figure out what I need to do. And. And I mean, honestly, even at this point where I don't think the calls make quite yet that we're we're done for the day. But it was it was going to be called very soon after that. So. Yeah. Trying to. Remember the the full sequence? There was a busy day. So I think I started working on Dylan fires just because he looked the worst off he had a gunshot wound to his right arm. And then another one to his hip pelvis area. His is his armone. I joke them now. Because he's he's fine. And it's okay to joke about getting shot after the facts, but you know, joke with him that at one bowl hit his arm. It was it was just a a lucky bullet for him. But it went through his his. For me. To speaking words. It's tough. Sometimes is his rifle strap it went Oguz Louis. It went through slaying cut cut that then went there was arm. And then he goes to keep his pistol on that day. But the time we were still kind of running pistol on the front of your your body armor. And so it it actually lodged in between his plate, and is his Pistilli hit the inside of is his pistol that just slightly different angles on that bullet and. Yeah. So his arm wound was. Beyond basically, just a very minor bleed. Didn't worry too much about that. But didn't lawn figure out his his his other one was going to going to be? Literally a pain in the ass for him all day figuratively for me. But it was you know, you could just see the way it's bleeding, and it's just. You know, those very small wounds that entry so I made the made the I'd say dumb call for just a few moments. I don't even know how long it was. I didn't wanna roll him anymore than I had to to to see what was going on. So for a little bit took my home. It off said it to the side. So I can just roll him. Just see the downside won't how bad was it. Didn't want to be that bad. So can roll them back over help my helmet on right away or thinks maybe somebody yelled at me. But so to start a working on trying to figure out how to get pressure on their you'd mentioned we had the comment cameraman out there with us by that point is Cameron already been shot. So he he just became an extra an extra set of hands for may two or to help. So okay. Let me go triage the rest of these guys are quick pressure here for me. I'll be back in a second. And. Essay, I'll be back. The area we're working in was not. That bag. It was. Maybe twenty meters across in. It's just that that slight slope. You get on a hillside before it falls off the cliff those big I in everybody's just talk hanging on that tiny little bit of us lope trying to not fall off, and I'll get jobs, and the the guys had been shot where they on that soap and the got shot they pushing up a little bit. Will you were you somewhat safe in that shot where you're in that spot where you somewhat protectors guys still get August? They works. You still guys we're going to shop guys. We're still still getting shot the hold on. So we're we're basically you're just trying to use that tiny bit of an angle to minimize how much you can be shot at there was there was no place where you were safe on there at all. If you kind of. Picture like from from from that little outcropping where we were. If you're looking at the main village, it was almost like a. Like a hockey stick kind of in front of you is the way the mountain kind of wrapped around. So that long wall kind of on what I'm considering my left, but then it still wrapped around. So the whole village. If you've got a little bit cover from this side. The other side still had you, and then there was some people on the other side of the valley who were showed in this too. But it was much it was insignificant compared to other problems. We had was your mindset at this point totally focused on just getting the get working on the guys. Did you go into that mode like of okay? But this is what I gotta do. Or was any part of you going? This is not good did any was there any party that was saying hold on a second. Look what's happening situationally where surrounded they have the the enemy has the upper ground. I got three wounded guys what calls being made what what was what was like your tactical assessment of what was happening. Or were you just straight up working on guys trying to save their lives from my perspective? It was straight up working on guys. At that point the trying to get my commandos and leading them anywhere. That was over for me. I would I would find them hours and hours later, and they were like they were still down in the valley. Just hanging out trying to use a little bit of cover, and they all kind of saw me, and they're like reap thought you were dead awhile ago. Welcome back. The support. Thanks. So I said we were working on closing those gaps with them, but we're here. Sometimes the advanced broke. But so yeah, I was mostly focused on just trying to treat these guys of and. You know, you need to convey information to the team leader. And you needed tell the guy, you're yeah. You're you're fine, buddy. Don't don't worry about that. So one point, you know, I'm telling Dylan, you're good. We walked us off. And then kind of looking over the team later we like no seriously. He needs to go back. Now he needed to go awhile ago. But now, we'll be fine too. So and. I didn't really think about his perspective on it. But you know, later, he's like, yeah. I was hearing at all like sorry about that. That's that's a rough way to hear things. So so you had three guys wounded in that position as well. So there was the three kind of the two two Americans initially credit critical and the one Eck, and I so I started working on Dylan went over to Louise saw what what what had happened him Lewis, more or less. And he had been shot through the and through the ankle both on the right side. And luckily, it didn't hit any of the major vessels. But it like for this is thi- it just ripped it in half. You could look all the way through his style. Look like, you'd cut up and a fish, gutting it. So while he wasn't. He didn't have major arteries just so much tissue damage that ROY this could still form compartment syndrome, still kill him, many different ways. So I started working, you know, sess him, and, you know, just doing those first sweeps like I'm not trying to do anything definitive yet. It's just like my figure out what all's going on. And then I'll come back through after seeing Lewis. I still felt like I own CK an actual check. This is the interpreter the interpreter he was. He was dead. But I still owed him. Like unless less, I know what killed him maybe he's still alive. So I went up to check on him. He'd he'd been shot just behind the left ear, and it was it was an unsurvivable wound. Yes, I checked on checked on him. And then, you know, we just unfortunately with his little cover is we had for anything like. He couldn't take up space where we had cover. So we we just gonna head him off to the side a little bit but exposed to the elements because. You know, fortunately in the living guys didn't have enough space. So after checking on him kind of go back through and obviously this entire time. We're still getting shot. I still feel those spokes Combi can still feel the dirt kicking up. You know, there's there's everything so tight in there. And so little space like I'm trying to kneel over these guys too. Do the best. I can't for them. And and as things were just falling on us trying to cover them as things just boxer coming down explosion happening is trying to some point. They start calling in for fire. Is that is that happening yet? The the. Culture fire came in. They started pretty quickly Zachariah was our air force comeback controller that day. You got the air force cross, very deservedly. So. All of us are alive because of all the stuff that he called in day. He's dropping bombs danger close dropping two thousand pound or I mean, he's dropping stuff. And again, you know, what I'm talking about this as if I know so what it looks like because I saw you can watch these videos, and you can see the bombs hitting in massive hitting that castle and massive bombs hitting that castle, and even even the bombs at hit that Catholic day, they do damage, but that castle was massive and Razi, you know, we ended up through the course of the day one of our Afghans. Broke his leg the wood framing on building. They got blown up broke his leg. So we got to deal with that. You're getting just all the other ones that are coming with those because massive debris is coming down on you guys from those danger close hits bomb drops, and like debris is coming down on you guys because you guys are below it down a cliff right at at one point. I don't remember exactly where in the sequence of events. Basically say we kind of had that wall on our left that went straight up. And there was there was a a building there, and they were getting in that in certain to shoot down at us. And so that had to go away. So Zach ended up calling in a strike hit that and. I don't go hunting too much for footage online. But I have seen it through the military side. You can you can actually hear the pilot come on the radio after he drops that one. He's like I do not feel good about that one. That's how dangerous it was. So danger close at the pilot comes on the radio afterwards and says he goes that was real close. I don't feel good about that one. Meaning you could hear the the sickness in his voice thinking, how do we just kill? You just kill everyone. Of course for us. We're covered in. We're getting covered in debris. We're getting just rained on stuff. But we're like, thanks. Do you? Totally insane. So at what point did you guys decide? Okay. We gotta get outta here. Or were you still think it'd be we'll just get through this assault up. The hill point we were pretty much. We're pretty much done at that point. So Scott Boras team started he comes in like, I said, he he was you know, right there with us moving up the hill bringing on those those extra guys, and he started working on trying to keep these guys alive. He starts working that. Let's get them out of here piece. So our lead element had actually made the edge of the village like. I think they got into police one building. And so they're starting to we got that foothold like we we made it guys we on. But so he makes that call. We got we got to pull those guys back to start getting which is actually incredible to even have gotten to that. And and to be honest with you, if things now that you know, what I'm talking about how much I would've just you know, bailed out of there. Once you get a foothold in that situation. Now, it's you know, it's going to be CQ see us against them. Like, you actually have a pretty good chance. You know? Will you got one hundred commandos or we get him up that hill you get a foothold in that building? It's like, okay or not in that castle. We can start taking it out. So that's that's impressive man props. Do you guys for sure? Yeah. The fortunately as bad as it's started. For quite a while through the day. It kept getting worse like it never stops at the we started to get some lows after we'd done so many airstrikes. But. So the side of the mountain that I went up a little bit later in the day. He was just no man's land. You didn't go over there. If you wanted to not be dead. So. The logistics of trying to get an actual fighting force up even though we had a foothold it just became an untenable position. So. I'm working on these guys. I'm I'm trying to. Get some kind of hammers control bleeding control on on Dylan. Be no with Louis. I didn't quick quick treatments on him got his bandaged up as well as I could. So that way. Just with all that trauma. He didn't end up. You know, still still dying on me on on the mountain just from from some. Something so working on Dylan and said it. Based on what he was describing to me. Like, I didn't see the point of like, you know, in the medical teach you like, oh, you can you press on pelvis down. And then you squeeze it in. That's how you'll see if it's broken or not like I didn't see the point in doing that to him just where the wound was like something in there is broke. He's not going to benefit from me jumping up and down payment on it of defined. I dude your your pelvises broke sorry about that. So. But he was also describing like, oh, my foot doesn't feel like it straight. Like nothing feels like it lining up. Right. And it wasn't because the final later the bull had gone through his moral head so shattered that did a bunch of damage to the the pelvis itself. So I'm just seeing this. Like looking what I what I can physically. See I don't think it hit an artery. But if it hit the pelvis, and it's been awhile since I was a medic. But you know, I remember having those those numbers in my head like, okay? A pelvic fracture is going to cause this much bleeding and immoral fractures caused this much pleading trying to process those things like okay, he's not he's not bleeding out. But he's still going to bleed out on me. So it was so high up you couldn't put a tourniquet on it couldn't really doing things. So it came up with idea that I had sell ox. He must add agent. It would designed to stop bleeding at a. Powder of that. So what I did. I kind of started pouring that on the wound. And then taking my fingers and shoving it into the moon was so small entry Windsor. Not big. So just start shoving that in. They're trying to get as much as I could just repeating that process over and over until I felt like my head enough. I don't know just it was just scientific it's just kind of got called shoving fingers in your buddy be like, hopefully, this will help the wrapped him up as well as I could. And so while I'm doing this. That's when. The the lead element started to get back towards us. And they're going to help us to get these guys out of there and within. Moments men. It's whatever it was of them getting getting there, that's one. We took our next American casualty John walling bent hit mother. Right. Rightly just below the need basically amputated his leg right away who's hanging on by a little bit. But it it just amputated it. So the the allegations that are out there they've gotten better now. But at the time it was you have to hold pressure five minutes. Otherwise, maybe the clot will break. And then now he's going to bleed inside there and you'll never see it. So start yelling at somebody. Get attorney get on him. They do. And now, he's just stacked up taking up more more real estate for us. So our team Sergeant Scott he's trying to figure out. Okay. Now. Another casualty. So we we added a another negative and we lost a positive 'cause now that's a doodoo can't help move. And so at that point, he's very I I know at this point. It's very clear, we're we're done with the mountain. We just need to go home. So. Yeah. Still still we're gonna name. I know. I know I was working on on Dylan and Scott ends up getting shot for the first time in the chest plate. And so run over to him this point check him. You know, president say he's fine. But he's fine. The jets did its job. He's he's obviously gonna feel that for a few days. So I go back keep trying to package up these guys a little bit more. And we're just. You know, it's it's tough not to gloss over like. Minor wounds like this guy just got more shrapnel wounds like quick, Jack. You're fine. Move on one of our commandos at some point in all of this. Another one of our commandos got shot in the head. He dropped instantly like that dude's one hundred percent debt, but later pull him back over and like he's actually still alive us. He just decided to take a little nap out there on the edge of the. But it it, you know, it this where things bullets do dented the his head. But it. Didn't jank kill him. So we're just continue just accumulate these problems. And so working Scott. Ends up turning around to say something to us. And that's when he got shot again this time in the left arm. It almost amputates his left arm, but not nothing compared to. The visual image that Johnson had. And I think it was the same bullet was it bullet right after on a burst. I can't say for sure, but it was at the same time that he got shot in the left arm. I got hit in the head. And so right had my helmet back on at this point. So I got hit in the head and so working on Dylan in trying to ask him like in my all, right? Like, I I don't know. But you know, trying to what's weeps are trying to figure out gave so much blood or can't even tell everywhere. I don't know if I'm bleeding. So I'm asking, you know, I'm asking him working on. Helm. I am. I okay. Can I can I keep going? But he's like, yeah. You're you're fine. I don't remember exactly what he said. But. Conveyed? Yeah, you're fine. So I grabbed Jernigan trista flesh wound. Yeah. Look, I mean, the helmet the helmet did a job. So it wasn't wasn't didn't do anything to me. It felt like I hit the baseball bat. Just how I describe it feels like what you would think it would. So I grabbed her and get run out to Scott put a tournament on his his left arm. There's just. Fall. There's nowhere to put people. Luckily, he's of of the serious injuries. We were accumulating, he's the only ambulatory guy. So. Besa? He's self evacuates down the side of the mountain that we'd come up, and you know, worth fire was continuing to get worse. But there was there are some guys set Howard, Matt Williams, they're doing good work over there. And so basically he kind of got down there and they see him with his. Arm, and they're like, we'll get you. We'll get you taken care of. So they they worked him down down the mountain on that one side. But that really only. Only worked for him because he could move. Everybody else is is not that mobile. So Dave Sanders is kind of coming through. And now he's he he's trying to figure out a route for us. And so in my mind like what I consider behind me. Now, there's basically. The cliff kinda just goes straight down. But like any cliff? There's there's a little terrace over here was a little terrorist over there. So he he's exploring that route. And he comes back up and just comes to the simple like he's like this will work, and we're like because everybody can you guys do it. And he's like, they probably won't die. Well, that's that's better than we're at right now. That's that's a good plan. So. Got this one section. I of one other article I pulled out this it's somewhere around here. And again, it's it's like, but I just this this left a really good picture in my mind, what was going on and kind of the how critical the situation is Walton cabin Walton was the was the element commander. He's the and he this is this is talking about him. And he's got some quotes in here. But this is from the stars and stripes, which is like a military newspaper overseas. And it says Walton feared his force was on the verge of being overrun with insurgents nearing his position Walton reached Ferghana aid and called in a massive danger. Close strike expecting it could take out his entire team. They were all prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice. He said the bomb dropped and then he saw an image. He would remember. Forever from that fight sure's body draped over the injured men he'd been working on through the fight in that moment, the strike that we had called in on our own position detonated just above us in blocked out the sun as the dust settled rancher was the first thing that I saw on top of his wounded teammates, protecting them even to the end when we had all fully accepted that we were going to go down fighting rancher was still thinking of others. Yeah. I mean like he says, and they're definitely. Definitely got to the point where like, okay. This is this is the day. I don't know how everybody kind of just process that I know for me. There was a point where I just said a quick prayer. Just asking God help my wife. Miranda, and our our son who at the time was a couple of days shy of three months old. Just make sure they're cool with with what's about to happen. And then just go back to work in just. You know, taking it in little chunks is it's too big to try and think of of. Over the course of the day four US critical three other US wounded to KIA about. Thirteen fourteen fifteen Afghan commandos interpreters wounded. So. You know in terms of those numbers that's too much to deal with. But if I just, you know, this is the worst thing going on right now, I'm gonna deal with this. And then come up for air look around. Now the worst thing. So I'm going over there. And I'm gonna deal with that. And so, you know, just keep taking it in little chunks, keep working working through it at some point, you started working towards okay, we got to get these guys down. We're gonna start low in these guys down. So. Dave Sanders figured out. Okay. This is. This is the least bad option. So I started getting everybody ready to go kind of started with a way of of these guys who were up here Louise has a really bad injury. But he stable enough. I gave them a fentanyl lollipop. So he he's not feeling too bad. Like, you're going I so we got him. I just do a double check on on the guy and then go over to the edge a cliff? It's are working him down as. And depending on. How bad their their one like Louis could help himself a lot. So I was getting ready. Get him over the edge. And. Dave, and I'm African our combat camera guys. Hey, Mike Carter Dade gonna take them the rest of the way down the hill. And then I'd go back up to position or a next serious. One was Dylan. Okay. Getting him ready. He had I got an IV started on. I've got a few different things going got. Everything's ready as they could. Sent him over all that stuff was ripped out in just mangle by the time, we got into the bottom, but. Will it is what it is? That's now what we're the with later. So then it came time to got over two. John wilding. Started doing an assessment on him. Just through the variances of battle, and and everything his his Turner getting that'd been placed properly, which is best. Sometimes we'll relax or attention or tense up. Just so he was at that point. He's actually brilliant quite profusely. So we had to make some adjustments on his Turner get him restabilize d- had him. Hold his leg. Just give them something to do and meal waste lowered him down the hill. And. As we're we're kind of finishing that up all the ambulatory commando interpreter casualties there kind of working their way down through all this as well Seth Howard and Matt Williams can mentioned earlier like they came through right behind us. Just. Kicking off everybody else that hadn't got the message is time to go or like CK who would have been killed. They they got him off for us. The the Afghan commando we. You know? Have a great plan for we've got him off. And we just got everybody down started setting up a another casualty collection point down there at the bottom of the hill. Yeah. Hallway, you're climbing down south still exploding still getting shot at? But by the time, I got down to the the valley. Again, it was a little bit more cover. It was. Everything that day was just this sucks less than that. So I'm gonna do I'm gonna do this. So that point, you know, got everybody off. Got to go through recheck everybody now because we've now moved moved all patients. Long since. Out of most of my supplies. So then it comes down to well. You do need a bad. But he needs it more. But you're you're gonna be fine without one and just kind of keep making those calls. How long did it take for Kavak to show up? So. We'd never really got like a. Dedicated chasm back to come in that day. We had some Blackhawks that were supporting the mission up there in those pilots were awesome. They're like there's wounded we're gonna come in. It's hot they're five with it. They know what's going on. So they came in. We got. The first group loaded up and out and then the came in again got the next group. So basically, we got all the critical and all the non ambulatory people out of there. And then everybody else just you knew just gotta walk out of here. There's no other now it's gonna come for you. It was at some point around this time when I'm down down in the valley working. Is that point that can notice my arm is starting to hurt a little bit. And. Just look at my arms there. It's fine. Whatever. Just you know, if you banger elbow on something you just kind of shake it out and you move on with your day. It was later that night. Get back to the base after we went and saw the wounded guys go take a shower. I notice I cut on my, arm and bruising or my elbow like that that wasn't there. Earlier went found my uniform, and it's got that bullet hole in it. And I was like, oh, I don't have any idea. What's important took around when when that went through. Was just is one of those days like as bad as it was. You know, you you. Just an inch this way made a think we've done the math before. And it was like. We came up with like eight inches or something. I if the enemy just could move a bullet eight inches over the course of the day like move this. Bullet one end this way, move this bullet this way. They would have just killed everybody. Like when guys got shot through the his Camelback. Burst that it hit like he had a flare in the back there done that. But that you just inch that Dylan who had the bullet skin between his armor and his his Geary moved that. But that's how combat is. Meters inches you train? You you get as good proficient as you can. And then hope for a little bit of luck as well. You guys. And you know, you lost to will you lost your one interpreter killed CK and then one Afghan soldier killed. Yeah. But none of the Americans were for killed now. None of the Americans like completely that's a miracle. It's incredible. Borodino? He was the Afghan. I sergeant he was on that SF team those when the blocking done valley at some point they came up to kind of help us do that final policing up of everything. And he was he was he was a great first art or for them. He was leading from the front like you should. And he caught around just below that Jessop play. It is a order as being a Keva doesn't much matter. But he dropped and. That was it. So as. As rough as the day was in his much as you kind of go through after the fact, like what could I have done better would could you know? Been here a little faster than that shot that guy a little bit. Quicker. The only two. Ks. There was just there's nothing to be done for. So eventually got comfortable with it all because of that. And then what would your teeth? What did they even do with your team? Now, you guys come back. You got all these casualties that they stand you guys down. They send you home what they do with you. No wade. So after we got everybody, although the wound you guys out. Eventually we kind of regroup we go down back back to the info point get them. Helicopters, leave win blanding it some firebase on know where it was. We don't know if we're going back. There's another SF team there. We still got a lot of commandos. So we're like barking the are we going to go. I linked up with the the the medical support that was their refit. My bag got got everything ready to go again. Like, we're going to go right back. But we didn't. Which was probably the right call for that day. So then we ended up going back to Jalalabad which is where we're operating out of at the time. Couple of the guys were there. So we went and saw them a couple of guys were already ballroom. Took care of them. We got a senior. Let's see I Karl became our new acting team sergeant we. Just went about better day. I mean, we still we still did another mission. Few weeks later. It's just funny. Remember, so one of the guys, Dan plants. He's now sergeant major. Out there. But I was his his first mission with us in of course, he's like are they all like this? And of course, they are some of them are worse. Welcome aboard might have get some. And then how much longer was that deployment? You guys did a few more operations is with your new team. Sergeant you guys went oh, how'd you feel going back out? Obviously that that fight was was different anything we'd face before. When when we left whatever it was six weeks later that was that was my last combat deployment so interface anything like that again. But it went back out. I mean. We're ready to go again. And. I remember on that at next mission. We went out on. We're going through the village and. Our interpreters are just. They would talk with the bad guys on walkie-talkies. Sometimes they just talk shit back and forth to each other. And so at one point they were like, oh, these are the guys that we just we think these are the guys we just messed up a few weeks ago. Like, let's get and then a Kiowa came in and did a run, and it's got a few. And they're like second thought. Let's let's call today. Draw? And now that was the end of that day. But so yeah, it was. The day will never forget. And but I'm just glad that. You know, the team came together they got the job done. We didn't accomplish the mission. We didn't find the bad guy. We didn't get to bring him back. But. Some days. The win is is just we got everybody that we could out of there alive and. You know, we certainly gave him worse than we got estimated enemy killed was like one hundred fifty to two hundred and and that that that ended up being the most decorations highest decorations handed out for a single day battle since Vietnam war was for this for this operation that you guys went on. And then so when you came home what made you decide because you ended up getting out of army. What made you decide you were going to get out and getting out may of two thousand nine so over a year later it was. A lot of different factors. Like, I said, my my older son was actually born in January of two thousand eight so I came home Sombor, and then right back deaf ghanistan, and then you know, we had other missions in this mission afterwards. So that. You know that priority. Factor starts starts to go in there. Another part of it was just. Think I always felt like there was something. I was supposed to do. And that seemed like as good a. Good a thing to check a block with this. As I could. I could think of it is so many different factors that I there. Not a day that goes by that. I don't still miss the team. So wish if whenever I hear they're out there like I wish I was there with them. I wish I was. Still doing it. But. I felt like I'd done whatever it was. I was supposed to do. And. You know, I think I think it's tough for any special operations guy. CO green beret, rang, whatever at some point you have to hang it up because time is going to. It's a young man to hang it up. Whether you want to or not at some point, it's it if that game, so. Felt like. I'll go out on. Go out on my own terms. And then did you end up getting into the secret service? Like what what made you look at that. And think that seemed like a good call. So I think I started applying for them when I had about six months ago in in the military during trust on them. So. Full disclosure with them. I federal law enforcement just seem like a good next transition. So I shock on blast out. You know, the FBI the secret service that he a marshals air marshals everybody and break quickly on. I really just liked the personality that came with the secret service. The the attitude that the people had the dedication of the job of the focus in a lot of ways, you know, like like SF like. You have super important mission. Sometimes you have all the resources you need. Sometimes you don't you're still going to figure it out. You're still going to you're still going to make it work. I really liked that personality that came with. So. While everybody showed interest in me, I kind of focused there in getting hired them. A couple of months after I got got out of the army wolves. What's that on boarding? Like you go through like a boot camp scenario with them because they must take kids out of college. Right. You're supposed to have Mike. Remember what the book answer is like three years of real world experience after college. So for my class, you had a mixture some people had military background some people law enforcement background some had. Was a lawyer just any different background. So is it like a gentleman's course bootcamp scenario? For the most part, you know. Coming from from the SF background like. I don't know who we need to kick out. You got to kick out somebody, right? Just to make sure that everybody else us here knows like. It could happen to you. But are we had a good class? So everybody everybody got through. And but it was. I'll say it was about three months of training in Georgia at the federal law enforcement training center. Kind of. Basic information on its criminal investigator training programs, basically legal lost of how to handle evidence all that kind of stuff the basics every law enforcement person needs. And then you continue on with four months at the secret service where you learn. The the two aspects of of our agency both the financial crimes investigations and the protection aspect for most people don't know about the financial crimes investigation of the secret service. They'll think about that arm of it. Well, and that's I mean, that's why it was created. President Lincoln signed the secret service into into existence to fight counterfeiting because at the end of the civil war back. Remember, two thirds of the currency in the country was counterfeit. You can't rebuild when half of everything is fake. So he you know, he signed that in it was. Soon after that, you know, he went to play. Didn't work out for him. But then it was. Forty years later that we kind of took over the full-time protection of the president. And of course, that's our our main mission now. Well, well, the majority of people in agency are are out there keeping the financial system secured intact. Obviously, the number one mission is the president the vice president other heads of state or has government that come in to the country. We protect them. Ben. Obviously, these are all know fail missions like. You cannot let somebody happened to the president. Or if you have some country come in that maybe nobody's. Nobody's ever heard of this dude. We'll. We still can't let random street violence happened at this guy or or something. So you just. There's a whole spectrum that you have to work around. So you get done with the training. And then where did you what would you? Where'd you get stationed? Did you go to the president's detailer? Did you go to the fighting part? So the typical career path is is you go out to one of the field offices around the country and fight crime for a little while. So when I got got the offer they offered me a couple of different cities to start in Phoenix, Arizona sound like the best option. So I took that. Yeah. My wife and son moved out there right away. We bought a house, you know, while I take me live there. I was off a training for several months. And then join them soon as I finished up and spent basically the next four years in Phoenix from may two thousand ten and may two thousand fourteen. Doing whatever financial crime or. Includes what? Yeah. Have your credit card fraud? You're counterfeiting maybe get your number because credit card fraud. People are all about. Coming after me. Like open access. That's and when I talked to people like, yeah. That happens to tap into every that's like the main crime right now when I say, he there's credit card fraud of me says yo they happened to be two weeks ago tapping to everyone now it, yeah. It's happened to me up staying. Okay. Maybe it won't call you. It's it's one of those things. I mean, there's so many different. Levels to it. Like you can eat. Oh, there's the the prudence that you know, you'll you'll see the things like go. Check a ATM to see if you see a skimmer at hatched to it. Which is great. If I it's definitely something, you know, something looks weird on Tim, Joe use it. But you go to a store I mean, even like target these bigger stores. They have the massive you get hacked. You didn't do anything wrong. Like, you use the machine machine was security thought, but at some back level. So there's those two aspects of the crime that we end up. She is now because the person who stole all the the card information, but they're almost never the person who's using his they sell it somebody else. So you you, Greta. Pick which side while on the chase today to figure out who stole it on figure. He's using it and. Kept you pretty busy. And then eventually you get called back to DC is that where you got stationed next. So I'm stationed in DC now with the counter salt team for the secret service. It's. Which is like the coolest job. Right. I mean, and this your service. Let's be straight up. Right. There's nothing cooler than saying I'm on the counter assaultive of Zeke observe does sound. What it really means is sitting in the back of a vehicle somewhere for long periods of time in a motorcade or some with the full body. I'm around. Yeah. I think so you're uncomfortable. You're miserable complaining about it. Like, why did I sign up for this? But there's like eight thousand. Pieces of security that someone would have to overcome for you guys to get the call. But someday it does sound. So we got that going for us. But what I what I love about that just like with at SAF is. To be there. You have to move to volunteer. You have to go through selection process. You had to go through another school. We washed out between selection in the school itself. Washout about half. Maybe a little more outside of the on. Are they on shooting in that school? Standards are much higher than the general secret service. Could you might be taking shots around? The president cure throw that round. No pressure. Yeah. It adds a little extra level to know law enforcement, every round counts aspects of the military. You know, most routes most most around this cow. Yeah. Just fire indiscriminately, but you know, if he's generally in that area. That's why they gave me more than one bullet. We're as secret service. Yeah. I got I got in trouble one time during during see QC trading for putting down cover fire in a building. I was like, you know, someone's trying to cross all way, I'm like, okay? I know there's bad start shooting at him. And you know, the instructor is like chocolate. What were you doing over here? And I was like where he's this. You know, you're holding this hallway then you just started shooting. And I was like always put down cover fire for the guy that was moving. He does he think I get it. But you're really not supposed to do that insecure. See? Okay, fair enough. You know, but if the guy. He wasn't coming around the corner when I was cracking rounds out. Exactly. So you're so you so you're just that's do you go on is there a rotation that you're going on for that? Are you like all all the time pretty three months on three months off? Do you just are you just in a certain area? And that's when you're live. So they breaks down into. We call them we have teams and then two teams make up a company, and then and then so we have basically four different elements. So ones on training ones on your days once on your evening on your your meds, hell time, and so. Downtime is to train, and then the rest of the time you're up protecting played in the man, or, you know, president vice president of the people as as need support. So I was working it at some point during during that job. You got you. You went to the hospital in figured out something that wasn't going to well. It stayed at least. So you know, if you kind of go through the the the full story. Was that late spring early summer of two thousand sixteen I kind of started getting a little pain in my my right, hip little pain my back, but. Of course, I have some pain was running around kit for the army for six and a half years. You know at that point. I've been doing it with the counter assault team for two and a half years. Just you know, you're not supposed to do that to your body. It's not it's not good for you. Everybody knows it. So I was actually in California hiking with the Obama family in Yosemite. Doing a follows a weekend trip with them. And you know, my hip was hurting back kind of seized up. This is this is not right. But I go see my doctor is like stretch some more. Or stop doing your job. Thank well. I'm not gonna stop so stretch some more. Pain all kind of kept getting a little worse. Little. You know, just a little more knowing as as a went. Since the docking. Gimme good answer me. Try chiropractor got some relief for a little while from that. And it put it just kept getting getting a little bit worse. And so. He came up with the the. Differential diagnosis us medical terms that he was like, you probably tore some cartilage in your hip at some point was I don't remember doing that new like as active as you are can just happen. Sometimes so we do an MRI in February of two thousand seventeen and then the next day waiting on results is still flout actually flew out to San Diego to do. To do some more work and that afternoon after I got here. He called news, you know, telling us well. If a few different. Use the word lesions didn't wanna say tumors. But he's like he got a few things going on your hip that are not. Normal and you go talk to this doc. Like a soon as you can. He didn't didn't even tell me. What the what that doc did? But he's at this hospital this dog, I Google like anybody wearing like, oh, he's an ecologist like so this, of course, that calls bad. But you know, now, we're getting more information. Okay. Really, not good. Took the Red Eye back home and next say get a cat scan. And that's when they find tumors, just everywhere. Oh, what they decided was the primary tumor is about the size of a little bigger than a baseball in my left. Lung. By that point. Like, I started thinking like. With all the work that I've been doing like just getting out of shape like my run dimes. Keep you on the low words, but no point that I think that's what it was. So we find out through that Emory. Like I'd actually had a fracture on my pelvis Jad baseball on my lung and rector my pelvis and. Still working. So. Yeah. We go through the process of trying to figure out what's going on find a doc. Don't really care for him. Fire him go. Find another docket jumped Hopkins we really like we're still working with him. Yeah. We've been fighting. For just over two years now. And then on top of that. You're you're wasn't mentioned you guys you're ODA team. Got something like twelve or thirteen silver stars amongst them. This ten zero stars three or four bronze though, the air force cross for their Florence rice. Loss and you were one of those you're one of those silver stars. Hey somebody's and they the the government or. Yeah. The military basically Africa what you're is maybe two thousand fifteen or sixteen. They started doing a a service wide review of all of the awards that have been handed out or awarded to see if they all. All kind of matched up and wheer where they should be. And I know actually. Three of my guys who had been written up for bronze stars. They got they got advanced or they got raised two silver stars. But they they reviewed euro award as well. And they came to a conclusion that it should be upgraded. And how'd you find out about that? So. I of course, had heard about the review process that the secretary of defense had ordered. Never gave it a second thought just gone about my my day to day life. Honestly, I think like most. Soft guys like just a Atta boy in a here's your next mission. That's all any of them expect or want or or anything. So in August of last year. I get the I call on on my home phone. We still have the part of that triple play package. You know, they get you with the home phone. I don't wanna home phone. They're like it costs more to not have it the land life. Yeah. So somebody somebody calls they left. They left of. Voicemail on that is is even called voicemail when it's on the answering machine they answering. I don't know they they called and left a message. And they claimed that they were from the Pentagon. And they they said we needed to talk to rancher. And I was like this is it almost sounds legit. But it's definitely a scam. I'll call him back in just speaking of credit card fraud. Here we go. So I call him up, and they're like we need to set up a call between you and a hiring in DOD official and Mike. Woo hoo. No, like, we can't tell you why we can't tell you. Well. That doesn't sound right. So. Go to send me an Email from your official dot dot mil to my secret service Email launch it over there will. Just just verify who you are as you say you're from the army here at the Pentagon g one I get calls from them all the time. Yeah. I arrest is always calling me saying I'm about to be arrested. So they they sent me to the message confirming who they were and. And so it's not gonna tell me why. And they're like, no, well, that's cool. I got a family vacation. I'm taking the next week. Have this person? Call me after that. But like I had mentioned where we're in this. Cancer battle. And so just before we went on that trip started getting some new pain. So we do some scans. We find out a little bit a little bit of stuff. Don't grow on. When we make a plan to deal with that. As soon as we get back from our trip. So I go on my family vacation, we come back and. We start radiation. Basically the next day just trying to get control again. So. This person the army. They start calling me again. Like, hey, we're going to set up a but dates for this person to talk to you. And it's like, okay, cool. Do you have any idea right now? Or are you just now we my wife, and I were trying to brainstorm like I knew about the review process did that even click in your head. I think at one point so. With the the Email like the. The subject, but like your name. And then this is my job is important. I am. The signature. I see that in. I see what it is. So I go Google that. Because I don't know who this person is investigator. So I started going down that chain. And at one point we actually found out that it there in the long process of the medal of honor their one of the many tears, but if and I kind of look at each other, you know, it's kind of chocolate off like that's ridiculous. But so we're like, well, maybe. Maybe you're the witness for somebody a witness for something I signed up for the burn pit registry. That's out there. Like sign up for that. All maybe it's something do any of these numerous things. So. The day that was supposed to get their call. Teleworking that day because my just finish up some radiation feel awful. And so I get I call from the military saying are you going to take your call later today? I guess I'm good. Then. One of my friends ends up calling Miranda. And says basically stand by for Ron's boss, and so he gets online to talk to maranda and he's like Ron good for phone call today. And she's like, yes, Ron's fine for a call. Is this the call will that we've been talking to other people about these like, yeah. Why are you calling? We we just can't process. Like, why is he now calling us? So he's like are you good for your call like, yeah, we're good for our call. The army calls me back. Again, you good for your call. Yes. I'm still good for my call. I'm going to run at a battery if you people keep calling me fit check if my good from my my call or not. So a little while later, I boss calls back again. And he's like your call is cancelled. Why are you cancel my call? And. Just trying to run through all the scenarios. And you're like, whoa. Why are you doing anything with this? And he's like trust me. It's good. And I was like. I don't trust you. But, but okay, I I have no choice in this matter. So he ends up calling and he's saying next Tuesday, and he'd you too. Come into the White House with with Miranda. And you need to talk to the boss of the president's detail. That makes even less sense than anything that's been happening. So far. So accused it's September fourth wind up. He comes by our house gets asked brings us in into the the White House complex, and we go over and we start in the boss of the president's detail. We start off in his office. And so he meets us in there. He's like, you know. Hi, Rhonda maranda. Thanks for coming in. Really? Appreciate it. John Kelly wants to talk to you guys. So of course. Kind of looking at each other like trying to do that. He has a nose like kind of what we're we're we we landed is like, okay, I think I'm gonna get upgraded to cross which is amazing honor. And I think the secret service found out and since John Kelly the chiefs out at the time, you know, former general we had that connection. He's got he didn't bring me a gel me. So we we spend some time with that that boss's office. They bring us into the waiting room in the west wing itself. And so we're sitting there just continuing to wait. And then John Kelly comes by. And he's like, hey, Ron. I'm Rhonda thanks so much for coming in just wanna talk to you guys for a little bit. And so it's like follow me back to my office. So we start following squeeze. So we start following him down. Maranda doesn't know the White House. So she's just tagging along like, we're we're walking down the hallway. And I think the pass. Huckabee's office. She's like, oh, she's just, you know, getting kind star struck by the by the office and all the things. But in my mind, I'm like, you know, I don't want to interrupt the chief of staff to the president. But like, sir your office is is that way. Like, do you know where you work? But I'm just along for the ride. So walked down the hall. We make a couple turns. And then he makes that left into what I know is the oh. And so I I get to that threshold is see the president sitting at his desk. And as soon as I hit that especially I can see there's cameras so the video and still cameras just going crazy. Just White House internal stuff just clicking away at that point. It was definitely like. Oh shit. Nocco today gone and got out of hand. So the president gets up shakes her hand. You did not expect to see me today. Did you know wasn't wasn't planning on it? I honestly can't remember everything, you know, just the usual platitudes. Thanks for service heard you were in Afghanistan. Like, yeah. And he's like, did you know, you're getting looked at for Afghanistan. No. He's like well just want you to know just approved. You get the congressional medal of honor and ugly that point it all just kind of went to white noise. I couldn't I don't know. What else he said afterwards? We have the pictures, and you can you can flip there. And you can see the moment where he tells because I have a definite. What the are you saying my wife is starting kind of happy happy cry. But yeah, so we had had no. No idea that I was getting. I mean, I knew generally things we're getting looked at. But I'm no, I did that my pack. It would stand out or not sand out or or anything. Yeah. We we got out of there. The. The the boss that had. Basically. Found out. It was you know, government efficiencies. Like that day. I was supposed to get the call. They kind of went down the hall. Like does this guy worked for you? I've been emailing you from secret service Email address for weeks now. But so is it that moment there does he work for you? And they're like, yeah, he works for us. And he's here in DC. And he. He has a White House pass you can walk into the White House me once so. So the the coordinated that they made sure the counter assault team for that day. They were all rain a green beret some more army in marina just all army guys who all kind of got it in the Nathan out like. As I was finding out so went and saw them. The whole whole thing was just super surreal trying to. Figure out. Why me why why? Now, why any of it? Remember his soon after that the? The across from the Pentagon. She called like so you've I've seen I talked to him. You know, you, you know, why we're being secretive now like, yeah. And then she said a lot of stuff about like. You know, how the process is going to work and other things. In the end of it got to the point is like, ma'am. I don't remember thing. You just said. But I don't have a uniform, and like I don't know why out for seven eight nine years or something eight nine is when I got out. So this is me that's nine and a half years. Yeah. Next month will be ten so that was not enough year since I got out. So yeah, it was the last thing that I thought was was coming at me. I'm obviously. Super humble by by. But is definitely the last thing. I thought would come my way, I still remember feeling. Almost guilty calling. My teammates. To let them know. So like, hey, can you can you come to DC on October? I Khas getting them at a lottery like felt like I had to apologize to them. Like the team was amazing that day the team. Did everything in a lot of these guys? You know, kept going for years and years after I got out like. I don't know why I'm getting this. Worlds. It's awesome. And I'm sure they all to themselves. Well, maybe the fact that you saved my life and kept me alive might be the reason. So yeah, that's unbelievable. Awesome story and sounds like there was definitely some good smooth government operating there as well. They worked out it worked out to be pretty good secret. They pretty awesome that they get it from your captain, you know, after we stepped out of the oval John Kelly is like sorry, I had to pull a trick on you. Yeah. He's like such an honest guy that he felt guilty about that. Like such a good guys. I'm really sorry that it's okay say, I forgive you. And then how when when you go talking about the cancer a little bit. When you go in for radiation. When you go in for chemo like I have known people have gone on came up for. It's like crushing physically. So. With with my treatments where we're in a reassessment phase right now to figure out what we're doing. But. The last couple years I've been on. It's a Okitsu SU super far out in the weeds. But it's a targeted therapy for my for my very specific kind of lung cancer. And so I take one pill every day and. It's got me two years down the road. So. The there's ups and downs with it. Some. You know, definitely some side effects. I think generally speaking it's better than what you think of is chemo. I know it's pissed off a lot of keyboard warriors and sergeant majors out there in the world. Like, I didn't shave for the for the ceremony knows like because I had a a rash from from my treatment. So I I physically couldn't shave at the time. But some people took offense like sorry. I really. I I I want. It was you know, I just awesome. That's america. Because you say, oh that guy got the medal of honor. You might wanna shave next time. That's that's professional jealousy at its five straight. Yeah. And. Beta. Try not to chase down to many people. But a few of them just say, you know, like, this is why haven't nice day, and what are you doing day to day now? So are you still do you? Are you working right now? Secret service, you have to put any time with them or you on like some medical leave right now. Did you stay in the secret service? Yeah. I'm still still at the secret service. I'm a few people have asked me what the metal like secret service, just cover. My now. Right now. What I do. I was talking my wife. My wife has been talking to your wife, and I said something along the lines of like, oh, you know. We'll talk about you know, in using the secrets that he's in the secret service in my wife said in my wife's Brit. So she doesn't like fully comprehend American government like American does. But you know, I said, you know, probably talk about you know, he made in the secret service, and my wife, of course, literally says, but isn't that a secret? So yeah. Could cover a cover for your covert operations that you're now conducting? Yeah. Yeah. No, it's so once I once I was diagnosed a couple years ago. I just went over for being operational counter salts you when I'm gonna say operations here. But now I'm in the operations section. So I just send emails to people. I'm a keyboard warrior myself now, like you're not working hard enough work harder. You might want to shave while you're working harder, by the way. Yeah. And and that's and then you got your your wife and your kids, and how old your kids. Our our boys. Our older son Cameron who said it was three months at the time of the battle. He's he's eleven now in our younger son Tyler he's he's eight. So you know, my wife has. Multiple full-time jobs trying to keep those kids, you know, where they need to be when they need to be there like with the secret service. I can't remember the exact day count. But the last year I was fully able to travel and everything I travel like one hundred and thirty days or something in, you know, at least like the military time deployments. Like, you're gonna leave in August. Like, okay. That's in the future. I know what it is. You're going to be on for seven months, whereas, you know, secret service depended on people does the president want to go over here. If he does we're going guess what? It doesn't matter. What we had scheduled next week. It's going to happen. So, you know, one hundred three days on sale that bad. It's two days here three days there, a call it eight PM tomorrow morning, you're on a plane at six AM. Get packed. So, you know, she's she's been she was amazing it balancing all of those things that came came with a job. And then. Then I threw in monkey wrench with the whole. I have cancer everywhere. Make it more about me. Now. So because the kids were. What was that kindergarten in third grade? I think we're the ages diagnosed like they were just starting to get a little bit easier. And you know, she's kind of come out for air like hold on a need to challenge. You a little more. Sorry about that. Well, it's, you know, sounds like an I met her today since awesome, awesome woman. Awesome, family and. I mean, just incredible story from for everything that you've done, and what you've been through what you're going through, and the perseverance that you're shown is just for perseverance that you showed and the perseverance that you continue to show is just it's awesome, man, and probably probably get as good a place of any to try and wrap this up. But you know, man, thanks for coming on. And and really thanks for thanks for giving an example to everyone of you know, how to how to train how to fight now to live. It's it's awesome. Why pushy saying that know, I'm not just saying because I'm on your show. I I've been listening to your your podcast for a long time. I. I listened to many episodes. But there's one in particular where you, you know, you do the book views and a man search for meaning he did that one. I think two or three months after I diagnosed, and that was me I like to think I'm a determined guy, and like I can focus through stuff, but. You know, the cancer battles definitely very different than an army battle. Again, we discussed earlier like if you can shoot me I could show you we'll see this is that kind of behind the scenes unknown enemy. And so just hearing about like that book. And then I went out and got the book read it like just so your podcast is definitely not only on those. Long boring nights. We can't slave is this this hurts that hurts like something to listen to. But it's definitely been very meaningful. To me in those respect. So I I really appreciate it. And. Hopefully. Hopefully with someone, you know interesting today. No, it's awesome. And we'll we'll keep doing it echoes. Speaking of the podcast. Speaking of. You know, taking the fight to the enemy seen and unseen. Sure. Yeah. Big. I know you like to, you know, give us some ideas to some some help along some paths. Yeah. I have a question purse. Okay. So when you get hit in the arm that time that you didn't realize it, whatever like what was that like ricochet or something does the bullet, dude? But like what was you know, what happened with it? I mean, it's the tiniest little scar. You could barely see it there. They're like like it just barely grazed you kind of thing. Yeah. Grazed me when I when I got the uniform off. I mean, there was there was there was there, there's bleeding. There was bruising. Like, I said I couldn't because it's the pace so much stuff is going on that like, boom. Yeah. You get hit. But then it kind of gets blended in with all the all the rest of the chaos. Yeah. It'd be so much with the the airstrikes other. We're talking about like stuff was supposed to hitting us falling on you south was it was just. Stuff was always going on. So. Shot you? Yeah. You know, what else is crazy is just you know, echo doesn't ever write anything down during these things, and you made that statement like probably like forty five minutes ago, but echoes has been sitting there thinking hang we'll have to expand on that. Combs got that question. I'm coming. Well, yeah. You sort of wonder because he just sort of mentioned it, you know, like kind of like on your roof, Terminator one I one where they kinda recover from the shootout. And then they're under the bridge in the in the she started Connor goes. Hey, what's up? You know? He goes. Oh, yeah. He got married there in just sort of glosses over you've got shot like, oh, what's up? That's how feeling with you. You know what I'm saying? Well. Luckily. Man. It was I didn't did you shot. But luckily, you know, for my sake and for other people not knowing when it was it wasn't worse because let them keep keep going about. About. About the job. It's crazy. Millimeters and inches millimeters it inches. But. Yeah. So yeah. If we're staying on the path speaking, the witch K, let's start with origin foregin up in Maine, American-made company American founded company, just an American company thing there sums it up. Yes. But they go deep with American made though, that's the thing. True. So anyway, so you're doing jitsu, which we all are you want to be you get it from origin all made in America Negi out, by the way out. A real good on have you used it yet? You're kind of off the jujitsu for a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Got a little got a little dinged up in the knee area. But you used it. Yes. Good assessment solid legit as we sit in the in the street. Yeah. Yeah. Also rash guards on their even the the existing. Geeze are good are exceptional. Actually. They're the best in the world. Factually made by two people in America with American made. Products. How much here that is? Did you do how much rolling did you do? We did. We did a fair amount. And then at some point like measure when that do teach aren't showed up and kind of reset the way, we're training. We did a little less rolling. And he found some. Guy just outside Fort Bragg is like. I just met in fights in. I think he was from Miami. Like I've been in fights in Miami for for years and years, and it was really good at it. Apparently. So we did a little less rolling with him. Because he brought the point like with all the stuff you're carrying. If you end up on the ground. That's not a good day for you. Did you end up on the ground? The new better know what you even with all that stuff on. Yeah. So yeah, we he kinda taught us a different way, you know, fighting if you get on the ground. Yeah. Get back up as clearly as you can let's I like the primary the primary purpose of jujitsu in self defense situation is to get up and get away from them. Not to put a triangle on them weren't put a some kind of a, you know, Pocar guard on the guy. That's smart native. No. And the other funny thing is. Like, I was you know, I was talking about to being important and all that stuff. But like in the seal team's people would get really into combat, which is cool. I'm down with being bats. I am totally into combative. Some totally into 'em may and June in wrestling and boxing, more tight in whatever else, I can find that is active. But if you have a choice between being really good at shooting, your guns and being really good at our mocking people. If you're in the if you're in the military, it's better to be good at shooting guns. Now. Luckily, I'm here to tell you can get good. Both lawyer prioritize being able to shoot really well. Most my workouts now with with the whole cancer thing are just walks. But maybe I'll check out one of these keys so walk around the a week. In. All keys for your kids to because your kids should be doing jitsu. That's for sure. Agree, but also on their other apparel items fashionable. We don't know like the word he doesn't like the concept. I get it. But the fact remains Pete Pete Roberts, founder of origin. A little bit about Pete my partner up in up in Maine. He's got like a little he's got a little fashion sense to a little sprinkle which I have zero. So there's a contrast there. Yeah. You know, people talk about color. Yeah. Yeah. As long as it's black. Agree or get it. Thank you. So anyways. Anyway, also supplements what best kind of supplements joint supplements. Apparently when we were young. We're about the same age. I've estimated when were you born seventy eight so I'm just turned forty. Yes. So you're one year younger than me from the less back when we were young we thought what protein supplements? Right. Create remember when creating it was like, hell, yeah. That's the that's so much of that stuff. No. As it turns out, not even as important not nearly as important as joint supplement, so Jaakko, of course, makes supplements Jaakko joint warfare for what anti inflammatory stuff glucose conjoined. Conjoined super krill oil krill oil, very important for your joints keeps you in the game. Even at our age. Tripling up on joint work for right now to help the recovery process of mighty men the joint where the krill oil combo, whatever when you're consistent. I mean, you could stay consistent. So I get it. But I have experience with inconsistency. So when when I get consistent, man, it's like you're on this like road, like he get dinged up or whatever. But like you go it's like they Hewlett's so quick. And I don't wanna make like all you're like, what's the kind of X men guy who heals three I'm not necessarily saying you're like wolverine, but you feel like you kind of are wearing like you when you get you know, how like me anyway, when I get hurt or like ding Dong dang how Molly my out. Now, you know, a week two weeks, whatever like with this. I like, I don't even worry about it in the game just in the game consistently taken it. So dig it is what I'm saying since you mentioned wolverine, I'll say that with my, you know, SF and then cancer. We spent more time my wife, and I talking about the possibility that that phone call was somebody going to enroll me in the dead food. Medals? We'd legitimately conversation. Given everything, you know. Yeah. You might be a good candidate for this. This new program. We're putting together my little little daughter. She watches those what is it avengers? So you watch his stuff. No, right. No. That's excellent. Excellent is. Okay. Well, she watches those things but the other day, and she's also kind of gullible right because he's nine. Bobble. You know what I mean? But the other day, I started the started this whole thing with her where I was kind of tone. I was like, yeah. You know casino my need as you know, my Neely it'll heal up quickly. And I said I said like got the idea in my head of something creative to play a game to play. And so I said like, yeah. You know, it's weird, sweetie. Because whenever I get injured it heals up really really fast. It it. It's really weird. It's always been like that. Well, not always. And then I started saying what you don't want time. It's really weird. But I I had this weird memory of like when when I was in the navy, and I went to the doctor, and then I didn't remember things for a while. And I remember like them putting things in me, and my eyes were so big. She was so spoke about another minute. And she thought I was both. Because I started up when you start on when something comes from them. Right. So it was her that said like, oh, how long are you going to be hurt for? So she initiated this conversation. It gives me a massive advantage in this trick about to play because I'm playing the trick based on on her reality, right? Yeah. I like you just came out of the news on the trees some trick or some conversation. No. It's part of what she she asked me. You know, I wasn't just sitting there plotting on it. Yeah. Kind of. So that's kind of like, you think how you make like when you when you come up with a plan or correction to a plan or whatever like how you lead people and doing. So you lead people to think that they made the plans. Yes, you just did that to your daughter. She's nine by the way practice. But. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I know fully check unless. Events. Mock is well additional proteins. I still don't neglect the protein don't get it wrong. I just find the joint supplements to be somebody asked me on Twitter if I was on growth hormone are. Because of the way I looked and reasonable though, I said, it was actually it was actually supposed to be a derogatory comment because it was one of those little clips someone put up me talking about something. And then someone with the shot. He said, why would I listen this guy actually he's been on growth on life? Right. And and I replied back like, I I've never been on any kind of growth hormone unless you count steak. So I have fun fun on Twitter. Yeah. That's how Twitter is Twitter is I know you have Twitter. I don't use Twitter. I'm trying to trying to Instagram thing. Twitter still make sense, my brain Instagram is also can be fun. But Twitter is basically just a bunch of one liners. It's just a bunch of one liners. It's all it is one line zingers and is just twenty four hours a day. If if you want to sit there and make one liners all day long. You know, that's what you can do think it's a good way to put it. It's just one. And what's what's lame about it or good about it? Depending on your perspective is if you and I are having a conversation, and you say something zinc, like, I I hid it that took a little quick thinking with Twitter, you could actually sit there and look at it for twelve you could look up words, either the dictionary if you wanted to you could say, oh, this is going to be really weedy. Handed out you can do some research, and then you can respond and for all anyone knows. You just looked at that. And just threw it out. There. You got the notification you just side, and I'm just throwing out this advanced shot back at you. Whereas the reality is that's not what happened. So it's a really interesting now, I will say sometimes because I go onto Twitter, and I replied like a lot at once because I don't sit there and look toward all time. So then I go back and reply really fast. So a lot of times I will do things that are, you know, just like from. And occasionally I make mistakes, you know, there's someone on Twitter called the there's a Twitter thing called grammar police. Yeah. What do you? What do you mean? Like in a row or on? It's an account. Okay. I used and I was in English major Rana. No. You're an economics guy. You're in the numbers on the middle letters. So I I put your and again, I'm I'm tweeting at a forty seven tweets a minute, boom, boom. And I used your why? Oh, you are. Instead of why oh, you are apostrophe e. But Ari release. Yeah. And so then it's then up pops like probably an hour later up pops grammar police it says, it's it's really I actually love the way they do it. They don't they don't they don't. They're not disparaging to you. They just say for your information. You used the wrong, your the proper the proper grammar in this scenario would have been to us. Why are you apostrophe? Ari? Thank you. And please correct yourself next time signed grammar base. So I liked the grammar police that's good account thing. Anyway. The actual like account commonplace. I got Percy. It's not a boss. Well, he may be on. It may be a bought, but it's a grammar police account. You can follow him. I should probably follow ground. I'm going to. They share though, just yes Twitter. Twitter Instagram, you could just you. They could've they could've blown up a picture an image of my incorrect Jove or just slide in the comments right because you wouldn't really you don't need a pitcher for comment. So it'd be like true. And then they disliked in the comment, but they should know that hurts 'cause like, I was English major the only way you'll learn go. We got some warrior kid MLK for your kids. Ron. Do you do when you're kid? Did you ever drink? Strawberry quick. Yes. Did you like it now? Okay. What about chocolate quick? Yes. Did you like it? Yes. Okay. There you go. Well for me. Strawberry. Quik was kind of like a big thing for me when I was little. Fake strawberry flavors, so hit and miss. Well. Either one if you happen to like strawberry quick, basically are this kid's protein, drink tastes exactly like that? It's delicious. It would be soliciting me. It wouldn't be delicious to you. I guess you'd spit it out. I would spit it out. Drink. Thanks. They're kind of response. So you'd be cool about it. Well, your kids, hopefully, they have better taste buds. The new. This is a pacing. So anyways, that's where your kid MLK, and it's doesn't have any sugar. And it's actually good for you. It's got protein in vitamins and probiotics. It's awesome. So anyways, that's also chocolate store. It's called Jaakko store. That's where you can get apparel Jaakko apparel. Fashionable. Well, you see the dichotomy in this and try going there thing is it's like it's not even fashionable. But here's the thing. I snuck I had to sneak in covertly in insert elements, sprinkles fashion. Okay, Pete Roberts style. Not quite that hardcore but hardcore fast like zoo Lander. The so jock Ohs design. Right. It's like his thing. It's like not even design. The font. He uses computer font, literally not. So it's like, oh, CR, whatever. So it's like, you're pointing goes freedom. You know, put it on the shirt, and I'm like cool. So I look at it. I'm like, okay. I dig it. But these I made the shirt like this turt- material. It's like, you know, a bland and all the stuff it's not like some cheap. What do you call like a boxy rugged? I don't call it. Anything? I call. It a shirt. Yes. See, and that's my point right there. You're saying the designs are going to be for basic non fashionable. But when you get the apparently can be like all this is really wearable stuff is really nice. That's what I predict you'll think, you know, if if history's any indicator, but anyway, t shirts on there, we've got some lightweight. Hoodies on there which jock or even down for the lightweight hood. Because so far people everyone though every single person who was like site. With Jaakko in real life. I'm not talking about internet. Citing was Donaldson. Yeah. Who'd he's for like when you're Colt you need a heavy hoodie. Otherwise, why even wearing a hoodie just where shirt right everybody. Everybody who talk about something is just ridiculous hoodie have changed their mind every month. Dave Bergman be good deal. Dave. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. One. I was wrong. Yeah. This hoodie is outstanding. Yeah. Factually already knew that. That's why we did it. Gutting lightweight. Who's rash guards for jujitsu and otherwise in life, man. Women's hats, all some cool stuff. I think it's cool. People seem to think at school going there like something get something. Chocolate store dot com. Ron how do you like that? How'd you like the tea is really good definitely? It's the best to you ever tried. It's better than strawberry. Quick. Quick drink this very quick if it has extra benefits of the probiotics and the protein, maybe I'll drink a little extra. But cool if it's just robbery quick now has been drinking Jaakko white t with pomegranate anyways. But the good thing about it. Is it it after you finish this can you can dead lift eight thousand pounds. And that's that's proved a hundred percent proven as a as a former former eighteen delta medic, I can help you run through the test. And you'll see it's one hundred percent. Makes you subscribe to the podcast if you don't subscribe to it already, which is kind of ridiculous. You know? Yeah. Let me depend. Oh, oh, and I just rented review. Yeah. A guy said. He was going through his top five podcasts in our podcast came into his world, as this is the podcast that I most subscribe and unsubscribe to okay. And he says I subscribe to it because it's got great information on leadership and human nature and history and war heels, but I- unsubscribe to it because they spend a lot of times on some episodes talking about Jiu jitsu, which I don't do. And this wasn't a review on itunes. This was a review that he wrote in a blog oh blog and tagged me in it on Twitter his own blog zone blocked because people tag you in their blogs. So you'll eat it and reposted God. This is great. So I read it, and I just commented back to him. I said it sounds like you need to start doing jitsu. Later. So there you go whoever that guy was seemed like a nice enough guy. But didn't wanna do the jitsu? That's that. So. Yeah. Subscribe. And don't forget about the warrior podcast, sir. Oh, my daughter has questioned for the warrior could podcast you. We'll go over it later. Okay. Pass it onto uncle Jake. If you would. Yeah. So yeah, that's a good one for your kid podcast is have you ever listened to where he could podcast where your kids have not? No, it's what it is. The basic principles of life. I try and convey it in a way for kids that they can understand it that they can appreciate it. And that they listen to it as, you know, I'm always quoting you with my with my kids like disciplined equals freedom, bright, right? Do the right thing. And then I'll let you do more. And and you know, what it doesn't matt