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Another race question: murder in Atlanta
"Hello and welcome to the intelligence on economist. Radio i'm your host jason palmer. Every weekday we provide a fresh perspective on the events. Shaping your world as a block. Europe has its own governance its own diplomats and mostly its own currency but until recently its own border enforcement agency. We look at frontex. The border force whose budget jurisdiction and arsenal are all growing and plenty of workplace rules. Do nothing more than gum. Up processes and annoy people employees and customers alike. We make an argument in favor of common sense amid some uncommonly nonsensical policies. But i today president joe biden vice-president. Kamala harris will meet with leaders from atlantis. Asian american community following eight murders in the city. Our country the president nine all of us we grieve for the loss. Our prayers are extended to the families. It speaks to a larger issue. Which is the issue of violence in our country and and what we must do to never tolerated into always speak out against it. Six of the people killed at the to massage parlors on evening. We're women of east asian descent. The alleged shooter who charged with murder is a white man. The police haven't confirmed a motive for the killings but the incident has increased discussion about anti asian prejudice and attacks. An issue acknowledged by atlanta's mayor. Kisha lands bottoms. Obviously whatever the motivation. We know that many of the victims the majority of the victims were asian. We also know that this is an issue that's happening across the country. It is unacceptable. It's hateful and it has to stop anti asian sentiment alone history in america but a recent surge in incidents has left communities like atlanta's on edge. There's a lot of fear and concern in the community. In general and the asian american community in metro atlanta specifically is taking a lot of extra precautions erica. She writes for the economist and is based in atlanta. For example there are many asian american organizations coming together to try to protect and support individuals and businesses. Also there are some people that i know who have been wondering whether they should start buying guns or other weapons to be able to protect themselves whereas before they hadn't really considered these things. And what do we know so far about the attacks. Currently the police are attributing the alleged shooter's actions to a sexual addiction. I can say that he had frequent those locations. Yes again. I would just say for context. These massage parlors that he attacked may have offered sexual services and the police said that he saw these spas as a temptation. That had to be eliminated. We also know that there were eight victims in total and six of them were women of asian descent in terms of the shooter himself. We know that he's a twenty one year old man from georgia and police currently haven't explicitly said whether there was a racial motive the investigation into a possible hate crimes. Is that still on the table. Our investigation is looking at everything so nothing is off the table for our investigation but the possibility is still there so they haven't ruled it out and how common are anti asian incidents in the states in general sense so there have been a lot of anti incidents throughout american history. Probably one of the most notable ones is the chinese exclusion act which was signed into law. Eighteen eighty two. This law barred chinese immigrants from citizenship and was not repealed until nineteen forty three and of course during the second world war there were around one hundred twenty thousand japanese americans who were put in concentration camps but specifically during the pandemic there has been a rise in anti asian sentiment and you can see this in the data because for example the center for the study of hate and extremism found that hate crimes against people of asian descent rose by almost one hundred fifty percent from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty while overall hate crimes dropped by seven percent and the pew research center for example also said that in june twenty twenty two fifths of americans said the people expressed racist views about asians more often than before the pandemic. And why might it be that particular. Anti asian sentiment would go up during the pandemic while at least some people say that it can be attributed to donald trump's rhetoric. He has called covid. Nineteen the chinese virus or the kong flu because the virus was first identified in wuhan china and some people are saying that his words are emboldening others to act upon their prejudices and kind of incidents. Are we talking about here. So they run the gamut from verbal harassment to being spit upon which is particularly egregious. Considering that we're in the middle of a pandemic that's caused by a virus that spreads through respiratory droplets and there is a report from a coalition of groups that says that perpetrators tend to target asian women more than men and how widely acknowledged is the anti asian sentiment. That's evident in those data. It hasn't historically been widely acknowledged but it's slowly starting to for example. The house judiciary committee yesterday held a hearing on anti-asian violence. It was organized before the shootings had taken place but it's a good example of anti asian sentiments being recognized at a national political level. One of the people who gave testimony was congresswoman grace meng. She is a democrat from new york. She gave a heartfelt statement about the discrimination. That asian americans are subjected to our community is leading. We are in pain and for the last year. We've been screaming out for help. Asian-american discrimination however is not new in this country and she has also published a video compiling some of the verbal harassment. That she has received as an asian american herself. Bob maybe often karate virus virus and could and so do you think that the sort of early signs of becoming part of a national discussion. We'll chain matters. There hasn't really been such open wide acknowledgement. I believe of the discrimination. That asian americans face. So this seems like it could be a really big turning points. Thanks very much for your time. Erica for having me for most of its history. The european union commanded no troops the idea of continental gun-toting force was more something to be feared than cheered yet earlier this year. An agency of the block sent out a tweet. Sets to rousing. Music declared for the first time the eu at its own uniformed force along but the rise of that service. The european border and coast guard agency more widely known as frontex has been unsteady and halting much like the broader project of european integration itself for a long time. The european union member states didn't actually want a joint border force. They thought this was a kind of infringement on a call sovereign capability something that touched at the heart of what it means to be estate. Joshi economists defense editor but that was a surge of migration into the canary islands. Which are spanish territory and that prompted the creation of frontex in two thousand and four but it was still a really small agency had a tiny budget and very limited mandate. So it wasn't much of an agency. It wasn't much of a political force in brussels but that seems very much to to have changed. Why i think the short answer is the two thousand fifteen migrant crisis this was not just a migration crisis it was a political crisis that profoundly affected big powerful member states like germany the directly impacted in really troubled border states in southern european eastern europe and in response politicians gave frontex huge bucket loads of money. It's budget leapt from under one hundred million euros in fourteen up to two hundred and eighty million euros by two thousand seventeen and almost four hundred million euros last year so it's grown in size and it has also grown in the sorts of power as it has and the things it's being asked to do house. What's it being asked to do today. Well for a long time. Frontex was effectively staffed by border agents that were succumbed did from various european member states. What happened more recently is that the agency has been given the right to recruit personnel and buy equipment directly rather than barring those from member states. And that is a big shift. Effectively means the european union bombs. Its own standing. Core of people. Some of whom carry guns and i should say clearly although it is bigger and more powerful it still typically to national border forces. It doesn't turning up at the grease. Oh italian border and just doing it so thing. It's supporting those national agencies. But he's also increasingly doing a whole bunch of other things that i think reflect its new prominence and power so for example it is running or it will run the system for screening and authorizing all the non eu citizens that end to the borderless schengen zone zone inside the eu. Where you can travel without any internal borders. It's also running the european border surveillance system which is a system that takes information from drones from ships from social media from satellites and monitors microsoft flows encroaching in areas that previously would probably have been the preserve of defense agencies. But why isn't entirely separate agency even required for this. What what are they doing that. Individual states couldn't do on their own borders. Well the idea. Jason is if going to have big drastically open borders within europe. Which of course is coal. Part of the european union's philosophy then. You need to have really strong. External borders if you're going to maintain domestic political support for that system and so the idea is that frontex is not only supposed to help individual member states that are under pressure countries like italy or greece that her face big surges of migration at times but also to kind of look beyond the immediate boarders to what the eu calls it pre frontier areas and so for example frontex has deployed a officials to place his albania montenegro but also nesia turkey senegal. Serbia places where you would you would never have imagined. European officials deploying border officials. But now see it. S a critical part of managing and monitoring the european union's common front and in that regard. Is it succeeding. Are all of those member states. Happy with having this force guarding those borders and beyond i think member states are happy to have an agency supporting their work. That is doing some of this. But there's also a lot of criticism so for example lost jae an investigation by belling cat which is a investigative organization and other news outlets said frontex vessels had been either actively involved or present during so-called illegal pushbacks migrants at the greek turkish border. Now frontex denies this. I should say but what we have seen. In december is that the eu's anti-fraud office raided the offices of frontex director and senior official thought of a probe into misconduct and in january frontex sedatives suspended operations in hungary after the us court criticized that country's forcible return of migrants to serbia so guarding these borders is a really messy process and frontex by being thrust into the heart of that and becoming such a key. A key player in this area has really been pulled into the heart of these legal political and ethical disputes. And how are those disputes being being dealt with well have been internal inquiries within frontex. There is a probe by the european parliament. But i think what's interesting. Is that a lot of these. Problems are structural. You now have border guards. Who if something goes wrong. A not directly accountable to a particular member state who put them there who who armed them or equipped them but to the european union directly. So there's a new kind of accountability problem. And i think you also now seen interesting geographic divisions within the organization. One thing that was pointed out to me is that frontex is footsoldiers. Its frontline border. Guards are mostly drawn from low-wage eastern and southern european states but its leadership has drawn from wealthy estates in north west europe. Who actually have got all that much. Experience of guarding land borders in the last thirty years. And i think some of these tensions some of these growing pains already to get worse in the next couple of years and yet it seems from texas pressing on and growing rapidly. Anyway why is that. I think he reflect the mood which is a mood. Some people would call fortress europe. The idea that is europe integrates internally has it pulls even more sovereignty that the more you do that inside your borders the more you man the ramparts and put up your defenses against the outside world a now a lot of people particularly human rights activists. Think that the way europe has done. This is often inhumane is often without sensitivity to the underlying sources of this migration all around europe but i think that there is a consensus that europe has to have tough firm borders and if that process is ugly fat processes messy. So be it. Sean thank you very much for your time. Thank you jason. Businesses are sometimes good at making money. They're frequently terrible making rules. A former employer of mine used third party travel company that found fares way higher than i could find on my own but i wasn't allowed to don't even ask about the restrictions on which hotels i can stay to get to them. I often spent a small fortune of their money. On taxis. companies often enforce excessively complicated and rigid rules that alienate both their customers and their employees philip. Coggan rights barnaby. The economists call him on work and management new book by danish author. Martin lindstrom called. The ministry of common sense is trying to combat this nonsense. So what kind of nonsense are we talking about here. One example is a banker who taped a picture drawn by his child whose office wall and came in the next day to find notice saying it was in violation of company policy about personal items in the office overnight and another example is the kind of rules that many of his face where you're going on a business trip and you'll told you can only fly economy even though it might be cheaper to go by train or to go in a special offer business class flight but the rules are the rules and you will not be compensated if you do something more sensible even if it saves the company money and aside from the frustrations that come with that. What kinds of issues to these kinds of rules. 'cause well the problem with this. Is that it demotivates people. You know if you feel. You're having to obey silly rules. Then you kind of lose agency to try and take the initiative. And you fill. Why are they so petty. There are many of these. Rules would just seem pointless. It's hard to find exactly where the role originated and to get someone who can take it away again the old. It was like that. When i got here defense. I guess i mean. How has the author. Mr lindstrom tackle this well. Sometimes he's called in by companies and tries to illustrate the problem. It's not just goes for employees customers face a lot of uncommon sense rule so in one case he was dealing with the credit card company and they were famous for their appalling. Customer service particularly at the call center probably faced this so one time he arranged to go out to dinner with the executives and got the fraud department cancelled executives credit cards so when they went to pay for the taxi the credit card work and then they have to cool the room call center and then we'll just outrageous how long it took to get through and that was the best way of bringing home for executives. What happens. So what's the structural suggestion. Here what would you tell managers out there who want a more common sense operation. I things asked the staff all of us who work for company. No the things irritate us. And the things that make it harder for us to deal with customers or clients and if you ask the staff full suggestions you'll probably get dozens and not all of them will work of course but quite a lot among be extremely sensible if you think about this is about the equivalent of the toyota lean manufacturing approach where the workers can stop the production line if they see a fault and this is that same kind of thing in the service company we can see what's going wrong in the business and we can find ways with enough ingenuity To get round after all. If you didn't have employees can get around these problems. Why did you hire them in the first place okay. I'm going to take your advice. I'm going to ask the staff then. You feel what bit of uncommonly nonsensical stuff would you get rid of it. The economists will. It's really to do the ultimate office building. You can go to offices up down the lift but there are two sets of stairs in the building. For some reason you can only go up and down on one set of stairs just dropping that needless bureaucracy would save a lot of stress when we eventually get back to the. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you jason. That's all for this episode of the intelligence the shows editors margarite how and can get olsen our senior producers. Are chris impey hannah marino. And sam colbert. Our producers are stevie. Hurts and william warren and assistant producer. Jason hoskin with additional production. Help from naughton are sound. Engineer is daniel. Lloyd evans and our training is abbas. Soya ocean dirope. We'll see you back here on monday.
Why one family is still on Christmas Island
"This is an abc podcast. The modern liberal potty is very attached to its tough asylum seca policies operation sovereign borders is the government's response to stopping the flow of illegal buydell rivals to australia. That commenced an occurred under the previous government. Because it's always been a winner for them but other exceptions to that role. A loving couple in did two young girls still in detention on christmas island united nations as code on australia term the bill wheel at tamil family for an attention on christmas island. I find the behavior in this. And that impeded beyond disgraceful. Villa community has rallied around the family but the government has refused to budge on its position as renewed hope for a tattle family fighting to return to central queensland the federal court today ruling in their favor but remain in detention limbo on christmas island with just one last legal avenue to pursue. I mentioned david smiley and today on the signal. Australia's most prominent asylum-seeker case returned to court this week and the government lost its high profile appeal for now. The family is still stuck on christmas island. So what comes next for the bill wheel of family. And what's in it for the government to keep up the fight so for the last few years. We've been checking in on this family of tamil asylum seekers who are best narin really as the bill wheel family named for the central queensland town of about six thousand people where they temporarily settled and we wanted to revisit them this week partly because we haven't done that since before the pandemic but also because there was a high profile court decision about their future this week. Yes so one of the lost times we looked at this was when they were first moved to one of australia's best-known offshore detention centers christmas island that was in august of twenty nine thousand nine and we spoke to helen davidson a reporter at guardian australia. Just after it happened. This family is a family of four Prayer and notice are to sri lankan tamil people who arrived in australia Separately by but in twenty twelve in two thousand thirteen They met here they got married and they have two young daughters And for four years. I lived in a small country. Queensland town of bila learned quickly that our hearts in this town were to welcome them then. I had their little children nice to a psychologist. Grandma they were f- friends that were both could on bridging visas while they went through the various assessments and then the appeals after their asylum. Claims were rejected praise. Bridging faiza was the last one to expire on march four. Last year the family were visa overstays and sorry because of that reason Border force in with these in sokaia officers detain them into a detention in melbourne. It's been a year and a half now and three of the full family members of exhausted all avenues of appeal. The case went to the high court. A high court upheld previous decisions. Which found that. Australia didn't offer them protection as refugees because of that the department then sought to deport them on last week on thursday evening light on thursday evening the presented with a deportation notice and then from what i understand given very little time to pack a few belongings together before putting separate prevents and taken to a waiting plane. I think most of the country is now saying the footage how distressed i wear when that happened while they're in the an injunction ordered the plane to land in douay was supposed to be going to sri lanka that was going to be that deportation According junction made it land in darwin. That's essentially why they're still he. The now on christmas island which is still in australian territory and when now just sitting and waiting for court proceedings degrade three and it's youngest daughter donna. Who's been at the center of the ongoing fight to stay in australia which we will get to in a moment but i wanted to talk about what life has been like on christmas island in the meantime because they've been there for about eighteen months now so we spoke to another guardian reporter josh taylor. He's been covering the story since the family moved their their got security guards on them all the time they can't live without a god A excorted everywhere including when they take them. Coupla got to school. bus guiding She's started kindergarten as well. If i want to garner to a wreck central after today's advance with boorda falls to get clearance to do that basically. They took the family late last year. In the way they describe is that i spend basically twenty hours a day in the one place. That really gets to go anywhere. Talked to anyone else apart from looking after the kids as well armed so they don't really get to do much at all these sort of defense memories that these children having growing up and it's just it's just devastating so a lot like the most extreme versions of lockdown that a lot of australians have found so difficult throughout twenty twenty and pots of twenty twenty one. They've been there for basically a year and a half in there. I think that's spent almost threes attentional together. So it's been a long a long long time for them to be in immigration detention. Now this week there has been a court decision on this case so last year the federal court ruled that they youngest daughter donna was denied procedural fantas in necess- men by the federal government an order the commonwealth to pay legal costs of more than two hundred thousand dollars and this week an appeal against that decision failed including the appeal that there was light last year. And they're just come out with a judgment is basically upheld that original ruling they still lost on the grounds of Licking barn on applying for a visa. But they still agree that the family was Denied procedural fairness citing the judgment that because it was because the bureaucracy working away disbelief could be prepared on the family. The minister look at make a decision and the family could never know about. It was really esque. So that they didn't really take conroy. To the the way the families has been handled so basically. There was a potential pathway to the family. Getting the ability to remain in australia. That i didn't know about because they didn't know about it the That was unfair year. That's essentially and it's the thing with immigration lawrence. Australia is that municipal are imbued with what they what. They often called guard pal. Which effectively means that. It takes a stroke even now. Alex immigration. So he could sign. He could make a determination he would allow family to apply for visa and let them settle in the community. It's the only thing that's holding up there on will to to stop this family from settling astrid. So that's that's the that's where it settles. unfortunately that is also limits. The coats capacity to force the government handle this as well so although the they've won in a couple of cases over the past year and a half lead they're not any closer to getting out of tensions. Yeah so that's essentially where we are now. Is it that. There's this discretionary ability of the minister to change their circumstances but in the absence of alex deciding to do that they just indefinitely will remain in detention until the legal avenues are exhausted. If if the government takes us to the high court it will drag on for a little while long so the family has reacted to that judgment. In a video obtained for bringing in spain react suppled the depleting mark by drive thru through the bad to warrant might go test to grow up the on you so that court decision has mixed news. Family is allowed to keep fighting. But they're not getting off christmas island unless the minister has a sudden and unlikely change of heart or unless they lose in the long run and finally deported back to sri lanka right and on that notion of a ministerial change of heart. It is far fetched in this case but apparently not in all cases to stars month there were hundreds of men being held in hotels in melbourne. Who were transferred. Straight is putting many back legislation for medical treatment. And they had no when we're going to get out there and there forever year and then within a matter of days the majority of them got released into the community in commute attention while while they claim to be impressed law they getting a medical treatment. Most of the refugees free today have spent years in immigration detention at least fourteen months of that in melbourne after being brought to australia under the now repealed medivac law twenty refugees released today have been given no explanation for the sudden decision to let them out. So it's really hard to predict how the government's gonna go on this. They've been extremely hotline on on this particular family. Yeah i mean that was going to be my next question icon imagined. The bill wheel of family are the only family still seeking asylum. That just the one that we focus most of our attention on what happened to other people in this same position are they mainly in community detention. These days yeah a lot of the ones who are in detention as of the backlog from from twenty thousand eight i have gone into community community attention nor have been resettled overseas particularly going to the united states that Yeah they they were literally. They all literally the last couple in immigration detention dispassionately. It's a combination of things. Often talk to immigration and the incredibly reluctant to have stay Let the people that the representing case. Get your attention because it can obviously obviously affect how the cases going. If i do something to support the family will put him in That might encourage more people to come by even though that the has happened for us and prisoners were from nearly a decade ago when they came to australia but because these policies what is really focused on making sure that no one gets a special exemption just the pandemic has meant that i for the most part. There's less room in the news cycle. I guess for anything. That's not covid. Nineteen in the way it directly affects lives. What do you think that has meant. For cases lack of the bealer huila family has been like a level of disengagement or in so much think people almost like better equipped to understand what these finally might be going through. Oh i think the early pointed people have understanding for what the family might be going through because people are being subject lockdown so themselves. I think that was particularly true for the men in in hotels. Melvin because all we talk all the time about how horrible hotel quarantine conditions are in these. These people had been enduring that for over a year They weren't even allowed. fresh air. breaks or anything like that so there is a capacity for guess. A little bit of compassion. The thing is that i think they will. There will be a discussion about one point because our immigration levels dropped off the cliff. Obviously because it's there will be discussion about these people here already. Like wow maybe settling and getting them to the comedian. I think that nineties in pretty good examples of that because they had resettled into the community would loved and supported by the bill away town. They kind of the ideal of people that you want settle ministry of the united. The government always talks about people integrate with their communities and this families is a perfect example of that in the time that we have watched them. They went and got married at aller before they then went on to have to. Those who a strahl uniform things paint you just usually songs they want to be here and more importantly we won't even some of australia's most conservative commentators. Most notably alan giants have had a crack at the government over this shameful shameful chapter by the morrison government. The planet doesn't care preach christianity but when it comes to practicing it much more difficult. What are these people criminals murders tears pedophile. The guilt of the government is obvious so the government has sought to cost the case of the bill wheel of family as a matter of law enforcement and in some ways a matter of But a lot of the critics would say that you know these hard line as you've described it as a political winner for them. It's a vote winner. do think that's still the case. I think it's hard to say. Now i mean curve. It kind of changed everything so where the communities. It's on this is really hard. I think i mean everyone. you know. we'll see how much. Australians love border restrictions now in regards So i'm not surprised. There's still a bit. They've probably walli support. You have of the immigration policies have been placed place. But i think as a separate discussion the who are already here. The family from below olympic. Stay have been here for a couple of years. I think if the government anything around his family in terms of letting them stay it will have to be done quietly unfortunately because the attention this case getting i can't see it. Changing the reason for them releasing the men from the hotels. Melvin was it was costing the government so much money listens keeping them in community tanks. Which is which is shaped by a spent six million dollars taxpayer money not only fighting the legal process against his family but also keeping detained on christmas island. So it's not a cheap thing for them to keep running. So i wouldn't be surprised. If if they do releasing the community attention he will be grounds of other thing. That's probably the only avenue that i could see them going That's the signal for today. Make sure you subscribe if you haven't already and we are here five days a week including tomorrow. We'll catch you by you've been listening to. Abc podcast discover more great abc. 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Strange News: A Crashed Plane, A Drug Smuggling Feline and Strange Seeds from China
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To psychic powers, government conspiracies history is riddled with unexplained events you can turn back now. or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A production of IHEART radio. Hello. Welcome back to the show my name is Matt My name's Noelle. Day Call Me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer Alexis named Doc Holliday Jackson most importantly you or you you are here and that makes this stuff. They don't want you to know you made notice fellow listeners stoop conspiracy realist that our super producer Alexis has a codename. Now it is. Not. It is not allegedly it is code named DOC holiday it is very important to her she told us air that we say though full thing. So not just doc Holliday asked me. Codename Hole and DOC Holliday I don't know I. Love It. What do you guys think I love it here are you going to say colon every time as well as the coal just implied? No, that's just a one time spoke out guide. Also, you know we've got a lot of doctors in the audience, of course. So the colon is always implied exactly I think think Alexis. We're going to have to trim down at some point just to to talk about you in shorthand to Code Holiday think I like that. It's pretty good too. We're. We're we're. Out Right Oh, we've got a thumbs up thumbs up from our producer. So this is as as you know, longtime listeners, this is our weekly strange new segment, where were the three of us get together a meeting of the minds and we talk about some reports, salvations, rumors, some new stories that have not gotten the mainstream shake. They deserve. We usually each one and we present it to our colleagues sometimes off air we figure out which order we wanna do things in but I don't think we did today I went first last time who wants to go first this time. Okay, it'll be me then. Hero. Sure. So for our story, this first story, we're GONNA take a little trip to a place that maybe you haven't been for awhile. Maybe you've never been there maybe you don't even know where it is, but you should and you will learn right now Papua New Guinea. You may have heard it called Papa New Guinea that's incorrect. There was something strange that happened on the way to Australia from Papua New Guinea and it was a plane crash a very strange plane crash. It was one of these smaller planes that you may have seen similar to a Cessna where you know you have a few people on board and you've got a little bit of space for cargo but not much else other than that. This plane crashed very recently I believe it was last week when it occurred. Just before the weekend and when the plane crashed, you know with authorities thought. Okay. Well, there's a little Cessna Four. Oh, to see it's a little twin engine aircraft. It went down and authorities found the wreckage of this plane. There was nobody around there was no, there are no bodies as in somebody got you know gravely injured or died they couldn't really figure out what happened to this plane. It was just the left there. In the middle of essentially nowhere near. Near an airport that was a believe it was a restricted airport or is there an airport that generally wasn't supposed to be used? So they look up the registration of this plane, it was registered to a Papua New Guinea company It was called Raven poll numbers Sixty Nine Ltd or limited, and there was one guy guy named Jeffrey Bull who was the sole proprietor of this company he's the only person the only shareholder that had anything to do with Raven poll number sixty, nine limited. But here's the deal. He died almost exactly a year ago when he was stabbed to death in a city there in Papua New Guinea called port, Moresby. So then the authorities are trying to track down what the heck is going on with this. Well, how did this plane registered to this guy who died last year end up here crashing now all of a sudden and as they continued to try and figure out what was going on here long story short. There was the biggest drug bust that has occurred I believe ever in Papua New Guinea it's the biggest one ever in the history of Papua New Guinea five hundred kilograms of cocaine. Were discovered and taken into custody Yau's irs. That's one thousand, one, hundred and two pounds of cocaine and like how much weight can one of these little planes carry were like what's the limit for one of these aircrafts in general with like maximum passenger weight and stuff? It seems to me like it wouldn't be hell of a lot more than that. That's insane. We'll know they're heavy calculations you have to make with regards to the amount of weight. A plane can carry like that when you're comparing it to the amount of fuel, you have to carry because the fuel actually carries weight as well, and so it's a fun little fun little bit of I Guess Calculus. To make that happen I've never had to calculate that before. Oh, it's a it's a Cessna Four. Right you four or to see for to see. So in general four to see is going to have a maximum takeoff weight of six, thousand, eight, hundred and fifty pounds. Okay. Big Maybe Chung as noble as what I'm saying again, put told you unreasonable. But we also have to imagine that there would be a pilots or some kind of crew right? This wasn't an autonomous plane. Was it yet? So you guys are you're you're getting to the main point here it appears and this this has not been fully confirmed yet, but it appears as though the the amount of cocaine, the bricks essentially that were packed onto this plane. Probably led to it crashing in not being able to carry that much weight. We cannot confirm that as of right now maybe there was something else that happened. We don't have enough information yet but if so it would mean that someone was attempting to smuggle more cocaine than they could carry out of Papua New Guinea to take it back to Australia apparently because there was one Australian man who turned himself into the authorities there in Papua New Guinea he was he's been charged with immigration offenses, but it's likely that he's going to be. charged. With drug. Importation I. think that's going to be it's expected to be laid against this one person. And he appears to be the pilot, the person that was actually attempting to take that aircraft out, and then it also seems again, this is an ongoing investigation but it seems like there was a whole group of people what the Guardian refers to as a syndicate that was in based in Papua, new, Guinea, who is actually Doing something with cocaine itself to then get it on the plane to get it to Australia. and. Here's a quote from the Guardian article from which I am reading says police are in possession of information related to the suspected PNG members of the group who have been involved in this criminal activity, including descriptions, unique features, and tattoos. Oh, there was a truck apparently that had something to do with this where there are a bunch of hidden compartments. Built into the truck itself into the chassis wherever they were storing a lot of these drugs. it's really really interesting stuff. It's interesting too because wasn't it like some kind of makeshift like airfield that it crashed at I. Wonder what that even means like what is a make shift airfield I guess they just kind of like cleared some brush. In the rough shape of a landing strip doesn't seem very safe is what I'm getting out. I'm the the pictures that are available online. You can see it looks as though the plane crashed into. What. Essentially looks like a grassy field that has a bunch of trees in it. So. Friendly would be pretty dangerous. And so mad I mean, we're talking two thousand pounds of cocaine mean it wasn't like in one big brick, right? Like how is it How was it hidden in in this in this craft or was it hidden at all? No wasn't it. The drugs weren't found at the plane crash site somebody in Papua New Guinea or the Australian man or somebody came and got those drugs out from the crash site and move them elsewhere for my understanding. Here's what the authorities currently think happened should say officially think happened they do think the plane was overloaded. That's interesting because we just confirmed the Cessna can carry more than. One Thousand or eleven hundred pounds worth of something. But I. Think the this Cessna crashed when it was attempting to take off and then they think the pilot came back a leader in the afternoon between one and two thirty to collect the drugs. And they. I you know there's some things I'm not clear on here not to sound too skeptical but with any official report of a large-scale drug bust, I always wonder how much they actually found. You know what I mean like. I can't believe we've busted one thousand pounds of cocaine in someone else's like you know a day later at the press conference, they're like we can't believe we found eight hundred pounds of cocaine, and then by the time it gets the evidence room they're like. Five hundred pounds or cocaine. That's amazing. But we know first off, this is a port moresby, the capital city but this is also a pretty small country. So I, I feel like moving wait to that degree. Especially, if you have international ties to organized crime like the Australians, you mentioned matter suspected to be in with the some Italian organized criminals I feel like it's easy to spot anomalies now as far as specifically where they were caught and how they were apprehended. I haven't seen a lot of details yet but I have seen people guessing that because of the size of the plane they may they took the flight multiple legs like they made the first leg and then they had to stop and refuel for that makes sense. Yeah and then trying to take off on that second time is when everything went sideways or great for the authorities. Yeah. one thing I forgot to mention here the pilot did come or the plane itself did come from Australia we know that and here is the crazy thing about that and I I've never heard of this. Maybe this is just something that occurs just skipped past my knowledge. All this time. But the Cessna was flying at around three thousand feet. Altitude while it made its way from Australia over to Papua New Guinea and. That what that does is essentially probably hopefully keeps you off of radar. If you're flying way because they did enter into the country illegally without permission without any knowledge from any authorities that plane came into the country and and land or tried to land. Depending on what happened and the authorities from both countries gave themselves a good old pat on the back at the end of this article the Australian Border Force, Assistant Commissioner Guy Named Peter Timpson. said quote this particularly audacious attempt shows just how brazen criminal enterprises can be, but it also highlights just how effective the law enforcement response can be when we all work together. So you think he was coked up when he's made that statement. Kidding. I can neither confirm nor deny that that's bonkers man I don't know that I've ever heard of this much drugs being moved in one fell swoop I. Guess you think of Kilos You know if you watch Narcos, it's like a size of like A. kind of maybe a little bit bigger It's like a bundle usually comes in like a prepackaged thing break almost. So five hundred of those. That's wild. Well I guess. Sort of a happy ending 'cause man of all of the drug trade stuff cocaine is one of the nastiest in terms of like the cartels and the loss of life and just the way that it just the you know the chain of misery that goes into that is pretty pretty intense. A picture of you want to see this on Asia Pacific Report Dot N. Z.. There's a pretty good picture of the truck bed that has exactly what knowles describing there too. You can look at it and it's It's pretty intense. It just looks like a bunch of maybe. Maybe bags that are wrapped in plastic wrap with black bags maybe. I think I can't quite tell. So it, it's interesting because we see a lot of a human ingenuity, some real macgyver nece when it comes to the various methods of listed at least smuggling drugs or animals or animal parts or people into out of a given country didn't episode. This was Scott Benjamin for car stuff years back but it's still still holds up and you can see some crazy things here. This this story doesn't feel like it's over with though because to be absolutely clear and make sure we emphasize this. Authorities. Currently, suspect the plane was overloaded with cocaine, which caused the crash and when there are drug smugglers using aircraft, they're typically going to you unless they're the they're typically going to use very small aircraft they're gonNA, fly under radar. They will try to get the most bang for their buck because it's such a risky trip. Not so much to get stuff out of the country that manufacturers it, but to get it to the destination country, which typically is going to have more in terms of border security. So the they say they speculate the weight of the cocaine may have over Lou the plane made it difficult to take off but that also again, if that is true that means. That there's a lot of cocaine that was not found. So my mind this is still an ongoing investigation that's right and and also think about how cocaine is sold and distributed. This is pure cocaine likely. So the amount of pure cocaine in one of those kilograms that would be divvied up into sellable quantities you know and diluted this shipment could conceivably supply. Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of different dealers So they speculate the Australian Border Force This was a significant disruption to the drug supply on Australia's eastern seaboard this millions of dollars, and this is not cartels or not like corporations in terms of human resources I think it's pretty safe to say someone is going to literally lose their head over this. Yeah Yeah and here's something else I want to bring up you guys. So this one instance where drugs have been found on this island Papua new, Guinea is not the only time. Especially if you look at the other South Pacific Islands Vanuatu. Tonga. New, Caledonia there are drugs that are literally being washed up like kilos bricks of cocaine being washed up on the shores there is you remember that Jimmy do an episode about cocaine island cocaine. So. Here's what authorities supposedly no lease the ones in Australia. Cocaine is loaded up onto sailboats usually in Latin America. The Guardian here it's bogus aw is one of the places and then it is taken via sailboat to Australia to a couple of port cities in Australia in the way you travel to get there you go right past the south. Pacific islands. So the theory here is that well, it's not even a theory it's known by people who live on the islands and authorities there that there are constantly ships that gets scuttled because they'll hit a coral reef or something in that area. Then just drugs are floating everywhere and they're leaning on your beaches. And it's wreaking havoc apparently on the local population there because these drugs end up in the South Pacific islands and then there is crime associated afterwards like criminals coming through there it's just a kind of A. tencent scary situation consider also the massive. Inequality. And the economic straights that a lot of those countries are going through. This, this kind of stuff can be enormously disruptive. Now I on this show where we've made a pretty clear stance on never moralizing people about drugs. But when when it comes to this kind of crime, it's safe to say there's always more to the story. There's often stuff they don't want you to know. Yes. Of course, the syndicate it sounds like someone. In Italy is avenue very bad very bad couple of weeks right now. But also you know there are things some of the authorities don't want you to do not necessarily in terms of corruption or something like that. But also in terms of detection, what tools do they use to find these planes to find these boats and how I don't know it's almost like. It's almost like how in auto racing. Team that's building a race car tries to find every loophole. They hand to avoid the regulations that are updated every single race where every single year I should say, and we're in a similar situation with authorities and smugglers. Honestly, you can see technological trends in this competition and they're usually the usually lead or pioneered by the smugglers necessity. It turns out is the mother of invention once get will update as this story develops and we promise well, we can't promise. We'll tell you if we run into five hundred kilograms of cocaine baron guys. What do you think maybe we stick with smuggling as a topic. And explore something I. Don't know what would you say related but different after we get back from the break I think that's a smashing idea. Did. You know GEICO's now offering extra fifteen percent credit on car and motorcycle policies. That's fifteen percent on top of what guy could already save you. So what are you waiting for your teenager to help around the house? Okay. Mom I empty dishwasher vacuum the basement and folded the sheets out of the dryer. Wait what Oh and next I'm GONNA, Clean Mittens litterbox. Are we in some kind of prank show or? 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Who was trying to basically sneak in with two grams of heroin and two SIM cards like I, cell phones and a memory chip that was in this little plastic bag tied around cats collar. And this is part of a larger issue at this prison of smuggling drugs for the inmates who are members of particular gang to sell to other inmates and also smuggling in cellphones. We know this is a thing here in the states as well but this cat was basically trained to to do this to do these kind of maneuvers and it is suspected it is. Connected to particular underworld crime boss by the name of on Ungava Gotcha also known for using an eagle to smuggle drugs in Colombo in a suburban area of Colombo up there in Sri. Lanka this This crime boss actually died while on the run from the authorities earlier last month in. July. And this is another story entirely but also very recently a man and a woman who were thirty. Thousand Nine respectively were arrested this past Sunday for illegally cremating this crime bosses remains and also forging. Identity documents, and this is according to the new Indian Express. So okay. Authorities at the prison detained said smuggling cat and then like true. Maverick of animal drug smuggling this cat gives them the slip. I imagined no longer carrying the drugs that those were probably confiscated at this point. But yeah, the cat is on the loose and the authorities at this prison still don't know where the cat is an article here makes a really good fun point about how there's no. Legislation Governing. The idea of animal arrest. Insure Laka but rest assured that authorities are going to have some things to talk to that cat about which is the craziest thing I've said all week. What do you guys think who who comes off looking the worst here is that the authorities for losing the cat, the drug smugglers for using a cat to Is Clever? Is it absolutely diabolical where where we hear go? I would say first thing good on the smuggler the cat trainer for keeping the drugs and other paraphernalia on the exterior of the cat and not attempting to like smugly inside the cat. Yeah that's a good silver lining their map. I. Liked that we we've done episodes on on on ridiculous history about crazy animal spies. And there was definitely a cat at one point that had like a listening device surgically implanted in the cab and remember that one. Yeah. I I ran into it in stuff they don't want you to know with animals spies you're referring to I believe, project, Acoustic. Kitty, which is one of the Central Intelligence agencies. Attempts to. Is, animals or give them a sort of function. It's details all this time. You know we have seen stories alleging animals acting on behalf of criminals were acting on behalf actually it's intelligence agencies. That's where we see the main accusations and sometimes the people reporting those look kind of foolish. You know you guys remember we did an episode awhile back on allegations of animal spies that were. There was an incredible spike of these in the Middle East right with all sorts of atoms typically An Arab country would allege that Israel was creating animal spies and sometimes they were just animals that have been tagged by a biologist who was trying to track an endangered population or a migratory population. However, I want to go back to your your thing I. Don't know if there's someone who looks foolish because this is a real thing. The cat doesn't look foolish the cat looks like a boss. Cats. And the thing about on Goethe loca that's the alias right get this and go to Loka was thirty five. When he died he was poisoned. That's why they burn the body if you can. If you see that new Indian express article, you mentioned. He was poisoned in early. July. So maybe this story winded the cat get caught again I just a couple of days ago. So maybe maybe the cat then is it's time for a young up and comer in in the criminal organization to try some new techniques. Right let's get the drugs out of people's butts and onto the collars of cats. I. No the cat escaped just a couple of days ago they actually caught the cat I mean it couldn't have been very long when they caught it to win it escaped. What does it say here was detained last week and we're recording this August third would what's weird here is being a lover of animals I wanted to I. wanted to see if we could get some pictures of this foiled feline criminal mastermind and I found them and immediately had like I don't know the closest I've had to a feeling. In twenty twenty. This poor cat looks not only as though he or she. Knows that they've been caught but looks like they know they are facing criminal time. I. Don't know heartache that. They haven't heard about the Sri Lankan lack of animal crime laws and it says here the what I'm looking at the picture was taken on August first. So, that that's just a couple of days ago So yeah, I think this is ultimately a kind of a lights sort of cautionary tale. First of all, here's my thing about cats. They always say like hurting cats because cats are notoriously like they do their own thing and they're kind of hard to control. So it takes a lot of training. To get cats to do anything other than what the cat wants to do and I wonder if maybe this cat wasn't trained particularly well, and that's how it got caught or what. But then at the same time for it to like escaped is pretty impressive. The you're right been the cat comes out looking like a champion this story, but here's the thing. Animals being caught up in the drug trade is absolutely a thing whether it's exotic animals that are being traded in the same way that you know drugs are a lot of the cartels that move drugs. Also, move. Illegal you know endangered species or exotic species that are not legal to to buy and sell In the same way they move large quantities of drugs not to mention. There's there's this really heartbreaking article in Reuters called exotic animals trapped in net of drug trade that talk about everything from Boa constrictors having you know co condoms full of cocaine surgically implanted in them, and shipped to shipments of, let's say a poisonous venomous snakes. Being stuffed with parcels of drugs, and then the the crates are labeled venomous snakes not handle in an attempt to get the customs to Kinda like that one or not not mess with. and then things like turtles skin are very popular for making boots and other. You know clothing items that drug cartel bosses are quite fond of, and I know that seems like how could that be that big of an issue, but it appears to be and two, thousand and seven. There was a sting conducted by the US fish and Wildlife Service where undercover agents spent three years getting inside of this ring that was smuggling endangered sea turtles skins from southern Mexico into the United. States. And there's a trail of drugs on both sides of the border that was uncovered during this investigation as well. You also have this one's kind of creative. Actually I mean they all are, but they're also super inhumane For example, there's something called liquid cocaine which I was unaware of, and it's just like it sounds liquid cocaine apparently, very vaguely yellowish in. Hugh and they smugglers will put bags of stuff mixed in with plastic bags, full of tropical fish. So very, very difficult to detect that because like almost appears completely transparent if you look through it So the and the story I mentioned earlier about the book constrictors was three Hundred Twelve Boa constrictors that were found at Miami International, airport and ninety three. Containing condoms full of cocaine weighing eighty pounds or thirty six kilograms, and all of those snakes ended up getting killed. Not. To mention things like zoos you know having White Tigers as pets or having any other kind of creature that that really probably is not meant to be kept in captivity is another big weird flex that you know druglords like to do. It's also a study in how quickly the cost benefit analysis or the risk analysis can go awry because we after a member for every one of these interdictions for every one of these arrests or discoveries are recovery's of drugs. There's usually going to be a high likelihood that this is an iteration of an earlier operation that was conducted successfully meaning that a coke snakes had crossed over a border or two before. That's why that's why they were willing to gamble using these snakes and. Also that the snakes confessed their own price without being drug- stuffed, right? Without being hot pocketed full of narcotics, they fetch their price on the foreign animal market, which is also booming and also often illegal. But what's interesting here I think about the two stories is that we see a common theme like some sort of cartel Icarus these dealers in these smugglers flew to close to the supply side son they lost the plane probably because they overloaded it with coke. And then they lost the snakes and lost several other animals as well to your example because they overloaded them you know it sounds like maybe I don't know. Wouldn't you think if you were in charge of a drug cartel fellow listeners wouldn't you want a veterinarian on hand to tell you how much cocaine can or can't go into a snake? You would think it'd be a good idea. Yeah. Yeah. you also you'd think he'd have like some sort of logistics operative to help you make sure you didn't overload your Cessna with cocaine either so. That's the theme I'm talking about. No one hundred percent you're you're right on. Well I guess that's that one How about we take a quick break and talk about some some other weird not necessarily smuggling but some weird stuff happening in the mail. And I am joined my render and we are very excited to announce that we are continuing our journey with a new podcast called Scientology Fair game. What is fair? Their Games, the term in scientology the that is used to describe a was used to describe. The. Taking care of and that's the euphemistic term. Okay. Threats and enemies of scientology. What it really is is a series of writings and Policies Directives L. Run Hubbard that lay out how you go about destroying someone who is an enemy of Scientology listen to Scientology Fair game on the iheartradio APP apple podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts. 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Just hope that at some point you can forgive me if you'd like to walk into our podcast, email us with your dilemma at Lori and Guy at heart media dot com listen to therapist on apple costs the iheartradio APP over ever you get your podcast. And we're back more and more. This is seeming like a shipping and posting episode. But this is something that we wanted to bring to your attention. If you haven't heard it yet, it did break in the mainstream recently. A while back people in the United States started receiving strange packages. This is not in itself. Extraordinary mail gets misdirected all the time. Right it's if you think about it, it's odd that you get the stuff you order as consistently as you do I. Hope I don't jinx us knock on wood someone saved the post office. But. Here's what makes this case. People. STARTED GETTING WEIRD UNSOLICITED PACKAGES That purported to be from? China from the country of China, upped these packages appeared to contain seeds. They were mysterious some people who receive these had ordered other seats. They were gardeners, they were aspiring farmers, urban farmers. So but other people were just checking the mail and finding a bizarre package. This has happened now in all fifty states at some point, it's it's still happening today a year we. Have early stories where people started reporting this on Facebook, and then they started seeing friends of Friends of friends sharing the story and saying, Hey, I, thought I was the only one getting these way for it bad seeds. So no-one no-one knew what this was right and now as Senator Phobia and nationalism arise here in the US people, of course started thinking am I part of a large scale attack? On the heartland of America, are these invasive species are these literally poisoned or bad seeds that are meant to wreak environmental havoc of some sort this story in particular is interesting to me because I off, we can confirm it's happened over a short period of time to many many people in the US and also because we are luckily today fortunate I guess I would say fortunate by some great mysterious coincidence. One of us has personal experience with this phenomenon what? His, I do actually. So. Okay everybody we're in quarantine we have been for a while or like semi quarantine right. So all of us have been receiving I'm going to sue more packages than normal right I think we've become accustomed to that at this point. Well, usually you get a package at your front door. If, you're like me and you you live in a house sometimes, if the package is small enough, they just stuff it in your mail box or wherever your mail slot is they give it to you that way. Well, the other day I, went out to check the mail. And there was this little gray looking packet in there too had a lot of Chinese characters on. wasn't sure what it was and. Something clicked in my mind and I remembered reading something on reddit about mysterious packages of seeds showing up of eagles houses. Then started freak out a little bit. Took it to my wife asked her about it and she said, Oh, no, I ordered those said what? Wait wait wait. Okay And they do. It says jewelry on the packet like on the actual shipping thing it says jewelry. So whoever is shipping these things? Also shipped my wife these and she says, she ordered wildflowers. From from some from somewhere on Amazon or something, and then they ended up. Coming from China in this weird package, it was just this odd scenario. So I don't know if those are actually the wildflower. That Diana ordered or these came separately and there's no way for us to confirm it right now. Did, you open ACA grow them getting a little shop of horrors situation I'll I'll feed your monster plant. I'm afraid to grow them because it could be an invasive species and we'd get them all over our lawn and then all of a sudden the area's just got whatever that is, what will what, what's the? What's the kind of consensus about what's going on with this in the first place? Yeah there is an answer way to bring this up and have. At least some sort of solution for us. So just the very recently as we're going into record, the USDA has arrived at answer and it helped away some of the fears. The people were understandably laboring under. They have so far identified fourteen different species of seeds and none of them are too crazy. There's meant sage roseberry mustard cabbage one would be morning glory that that might be of interest anyone who's read the anarchist's cookbook and you know why I'm not GonNa not GonNa say it if you don't know where a family show but. I don't want to condone it but. There is a reason it is not for altruism that these seeds may be being sent. This may be part of a pretty well known and fairly successful online scan that met. You may have remembered we discussed in previous episodes it's the concept of brushing That was GONNA ask about that was where you get sent stuff in order essentially or it could even be like a box of trash or like grumble papers and the and the purposes to inflate vendors numbers for their sales I think is that the deal fake reviews right Yeah. They can prove that they shipped it and then they can these shippers. These unethical shippers vendors can go in and say not only do we ship you know X. amount of stuff or not only as shipping increased by X. percentage, but also look at our amazing reviews. Everyone loves this autumn quote jewelry right and everybody actually wanted these. Mustard seeds. It's strange because we saw people you know again, rightly worried especially given all the geopolitical tension between the two superpowers now they were rightly worried that something nefarious might be afoot and it is, but it's like small time crime. No one's trying to start a new. You know a hyper aggressive Kudzu problem or something. Kudzu by the way would be one of the most famous invasive species in the US from China and as much as I hate to bust the myth it's. It's not as invasive or is not as successful as people think. Chirs annoying though if you got too much of it on your property. How will you SIP Gelo with your backyard view obscured? Yes. So hopefully, this can function as a way to. To again, reassure some people. We should say that botanist and folks at the USDA always recommend. In general not just getting random seeds in the mail and then planting them. But I honestly I get a lot of weird international correspondents and I, am just I am sad guys. I. Well. I know I should feel sad that I haven't received any mysterious male. You guys like mysterious male. You know I'm suspicious of just about any mail that I get these days is because it's like. WHOA still sending stuff in the mail okay and and I don't WanNa sound like I'm nagging the post office I know the post office is very, very important service and it's going to be even more important during this elections coming up when we really need to depend on them for delivering a lot of these mail in ballots But yeah, like you know every time I pull my mailbox and I instantly regarded with suspicion because it's usually a bill that I'm getting somewhere else like online or at some kind of spam. Mail is one thing but the amount of callers who have been leaving messages on my phone who've been just calling the number of weird at times sometimes asking for personal information even if that seems legit or very, well be legitimate. I am so. Just Against giving any personal information over the phone. Never called me. Never, call me you know. I. Would pay a phone carrier an extra fifteen to twenty twenty, five dollars even. To pretend that my phone was just always out of a service range of some sort and then to leave a message like we can I know not everybody agrees but it's twenty twenty you can text people. I I feel what you're saying. Have you guys ever got the call for a while people were getting random cold calls in Mandarin I was receiving. And Cantonese as well as receiving some of those also got some calls I'm sure we've all experienced this listening today where you get a call from an unrecognized number. And you get a you get a voicemail check voicemail and it's only part of. Clearly recorded message. So it picks up with like. Ever, for John D. L. Delta and Blah. Blah Blah please call back at your earliest convenience seven eight. Sounds. Dude. I. Got One today. This is terrifying to me. Today and it was a actual person. It wasn't a recording and he was asking for someone of a different name in saying that he had papers decision to serve this person that is not me with some kind of papers and there will be legal action taken if didn't do it. So I, returned the Kalk. To say, Hey, this is not that person whoever you're trying to reach just. So you know you've got other contact information and I asked him what this whole thing was about and why it and he said, Oh, I can't tell you that I can't say anything about that. Okay. So it's kind of legal matter or what is this? I can't talk to us is fine. We took the number of Z so you can't tell me what my number was associated with. No. By. Sketchy. Aches I not to mention that stuff has gotten even worse during the pandemic because of basically preying on older folks and using things that are specifically pandemic related you know about their name being on some list or a medical information they're trying to receive or whatever it is just really horrible horrible Abusive Behavior Remember when there was a brief period of time or this is a big winner. You'd get a call from your own number and you're wait a minute is in me calling myself from future to warn me. And then of course, you know a handful of people would pick up and that's when they start. You know they say, Oh, the phone company and you've been hacked and we need to verify your details and so many people that just aren't. It's nothing to do with intelligence it's just kind of. Some people are just they're not used to that and they they trust someone that has a authoritative tone. You know what I mean I don't know we just have to be to your point that we have to exercise caution on the phone. You do not know who is on the other end of the line and you do not know how many ears are between us speaking and that person hearing it's the opposite of security communication. Well, here we are don't don't open don't open strange seeds. please. Don't use your pets to smuggle drugs don't overload. Your. Cessnas. A code named DOC. Holliday are super producers. New Name is Alexis code-named doc Holliday, Jackson I. Think we've learned a lot today but you know I don't know did you guys run into this as well where you have a hard time choosing just one story? Yeah. There is one about a Florida Man L. If you saw this one about a man or that road on a on the front of a semi truck trailer for quite a while they're dozen interesting one. I had another one that was about this I. Love a good Florida Man by the way Matt that was about this weird like unidentifiable dead creature that washed up on the shores of a beach in England but it wasn't much to it. Everyone thought it was described as like look like a horse that aided donkey that ADA porpoise and it smelled really bad and it had fans. But also things that looked like hooves but it turns out it was it was it was a porpoise a horribly horribly decomposed and rotting stinky porpoise carcass. That's argus. Don't know where we would have gone with that conversation. Some guy decided to pivot to drug drug smuggling cat but I did want to keep it in the animal kingdom. TV. Reverse. It, and make it carcass porpoise feels like a really good band. Carcass Porpoise. One. My my second place contender maybe we can make this a segment, the stories we didn't quite get to. Wonder I thought was really interesting pertaining to an earlier conversation we have had on this show is the idea of Zombie sick as I may have mentioned this there's a mind controlling fungus that out loose in the US right now specifically in West Virginia, it's this parasitic fungus called Massospondylus and it infects CICADAS and then it controls their brain and it also It also forces their genitalia to decay and get replaced by fungus, and then it makes it very amorous. So it goes out under the pert like. To breed with other insects but really instead of bumping uglies. Inject like infecting them with fungus evolutionist terrifying. No question about it. Sir and I gotta say I resent the expression bump uglies the human anatomy is beautiful. I mean some parts of it. Yeah. But you know all right. All right Well. That's our show folks. Thank you as always so much for tuning in. We hope that you enjoyed this week's strange news and we hope that you have stories of your own. 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"So ian let's just get out of the way. Oh he's supposed to having a yawn right also they scrabbling around on the floor in the background. No that's just the rats because of the mess that you think foraging in the carpet crumbs anyway. Listen let's just get this out of the way. I've had a request from you. Know who page three boy. The i have to say something nice about the breakfast that he's relatively recently prepared for me. 'cause he thinks he got a bad rap on the most holy shouldn't have a master then should he was very simple. Well i sort of made that point to him but anyway he does do a very nice breakfast. This morning we have had ripe red smoked salmon boiled egg blackberries mama laid up. Probably did i say smoked salmon but altogether in an ice pier. Roy well we get into a frankly. We're gonna have to be sucking breakfast through strong. I do like smoked salmon. Up at of rye bread I grew up on a diet of Sort of fluffy white bread. Obviously very we know. That's bad now. And i remember when i first went to germany and had the sort of typical german bread which is if actively rye bread and very hard. It took me a long to get used to that but when he did. You have to do a lot of medication. While i was fifteen but i know i'll eat it by choice sometimes a good okay. Well i've done that. We can stop talking about him now off. You've done your domestic tutu. But of course it this way recording this on saturday lunchtime and of course sunday lunchtime is a very special day am are you being treated tomorrow. I told you last week. We've decided we're not doing valentine's day. Oh yes yes on. Forget but we could. I should have thought about earlier because like smooth radio a doing love messages all week. Yeah if i thought about it. I would have tweeted and our listeners. Send in love messages we could. We could have read out for the many love messages. Is i've always felt when i leave. Lbc should transfer to smooth. Because i've i think i've got the voice for smooth radio eve you have. Yeah and announce move. Its do that to me while more by the captain and shortly anyway. What about you doing something. Would it be all hearts. You think no because you know. I'm a very much. I know you've got this totally wrong. I'm the romantic while in the relationship. Oh but shares you terribly. Undramatic is doesn't longtime haven't you expect you're not comfortable sort of slug of affection. The flame is still flickering. Only just what you need is a pair of bellows. Come along nose today not wednesday. Were ready you know. We've already got a for ourselves without flipping joke. That's doing yes that didn't go down too well. In certain circles but lane eight now was it was it. Was it telephone directory. Down the back of the palestine not quite. It's just a little a little tap on the wrist. I said well it wasn't me. I didn't do it. Listen to. I've got no control are groundless. Said having read details at great length with did i get into trouble as well or not. Just an innocent bystander. It's only me got into trouble. Good so we better be best behavior today. Ops they'll be. I mean what. I don't quite understand. Is the people that suddenly realized that flat is sort of thing that happens in the podcast clearly have not been you know the triple is that might encourage certain people to listen to it more. Let's be very very clear today. So for the next few weeks we might be a bit boring. Yeah it's all. It's very neela politics for a few months. Now yes although those are the subject on my running order here outdoor sack some use story. Yeah oh yeah. It's a topic because we saw no one can complain about that. The absolutely not and we will of course be be giving it a very serious treatment when we come to be giving a good seeing to a chilly sieg to the thought of a right serious face. So let's talk right. Are we going to have to learn to live with kobe. Because that is a discussion. That's been had over the last few days and it does sort of make sense that what's everyone's vaccinated. Do we not just treat is the flu and just accept that. They'll be twenty thousand people dying of from every year. It sounds a cows thing to say. But that's what happens with flu so if we can all be vaccinated and it seems as though Only one in one hundred people refusing to have the vaccine which is a much smaller proportion than i would've thought but she's very good. I think part of the difficulty with that one in one hundred is disproportionately focused in certain communities and understandably there's concern about some blackened asian minority big initiative on that this week and they were lots of very good big initiatives on that actually. Yes but there's a bigger one this which i always said. I can't tell you about. Because i'd have to kill you. What you mean. There's something coming that is going to be a game. Changer could be. Oh okay but you tease you. Aren't you so i apologize. I got complaints in the in the last podcast for my coughing. I'm about to start again. My will try this time. If i'm going to cough to pulls the podcast started again but it's a bit difficult. If you're halfway through a sentence do you need to explain to people that it's not just because you haven't had a drink of water or cough tablet. Is it your old trouble trouble coming back again. Me hiatus hernia and it it. Yeah i've got to go back on the hiatus hernia diet. I think because it's getting to be a bit of a problem saying mudlark on all or maybe all up the result so anyway What were you saying right. I was saying. Come quite remember. But what i was going to say was. I think that you're right that we will but but many ways it would be great. Wouldn't it to get the position where we were treating cove it like a slightly more carefully than we treat flu. But where we assume that. Everybody's had the vaccination. But i think we will consume considerable time now be continuing with the washing. Your hands keeping it distance wearing a mask in public places. I think all of those things are going to continue but the numbers of cases are clearly now Beginning to come down the alright as we heard yesterday is now between point. Seven point nine which means that we shouldn't be seeing an acceleration all of the transmission of the of the cases. We have finally in our hospital hospitals down to figure that is below the peak of the first wave. So that's good news but very far from out of the out of the woods yet and i think this has been a bit of a theme conversations. I think that. Boris johnson is now once again going to start seeing pressure from his back benches and from the free the lockdown group or wherever they called To lift things perhaps quicker than he should do and this week. We've seen some of the Rule ray around conflicting advice from different ministers about whether or not we could be booking a summer holiday or not which hasn't been very helpful. I'll have to say the Booking the summer holiday thing i just think is such a confected media row. A really is anybody with half a brain can work out that they're not gonna be able to go on a normal foreign holiday because most countries wanting to have had the vaccinations by the time that happens so Get used to it guys. You either stay at home or you might be able to go somewhere in the uk. But you're not going to be able to go on you. Normal summer. Beach holiday on the costal solo were of. It's just not gonna happen. Disappointing to miss disappointing to me. I'd love to be going away as well. I've got we booked somewhere in france. The end of august do you say to me. You've done matt hancock. I've done a matt. Hancock no to be vitamin ankle. Cuny book to inconceivable to me. yeah. I've been worse than matt. Hancock and But i'll tell you what there were very many places available when we booked so i'm very. Yes very far from being on my own in doing that. I do except that. It may not happen. Which obviously if it doesn't happen it doesn't happen but i think i'm slightly harder on the government the new. I think it would have been helpful. If i think it would have been helpful if they hadn't all been saying different things and i think that's made people a little bit discombobulated. Well they haven't they haven't because matt hancock apparently booked his holiday. In cornwall time ago when this wasn't even a matter for discussion and like you know made the save decisions you to pre book now. He probably thinks not sure. That's to happen so it wasn't the right thing to do but it. This isn't one of those occasions where the government is saying. Do one wilty one thing in you to the other perspective here. And it's but you're right. I think boris is gonna come under a lot of pressure to release a lot of the lockdown restrictions. A lot sooner than personally. I think he should. I think schools should go back on the eighth of march. We know you have to learn the lessons from last time and the lessons from the last time. The lockdown was lifted in mother. The previous one in july was thought school's back to early the out to help her thing i just think in retrospect was a mistake. It seemed a good idea at the time. I don't blame them for doing it. But i think. In retrospect it wasn't the right thing to do. Let i think you've just got to do it very very very gradually this time i agree and of course the other problem with foreign holidays will be I think the government is will come under pressure in terms of their quarantine arrangements to spread the restrictions to all people coming from abroad because there appears to be no way in which you can consistently deal with a situation. Were you not you know. We got sa- threatening people with ten years in prison if they don't say where they've come from where they've been when they arrive in the country it is. It's going to be possible for people to get around it by travelling to all the countries and then flying to the uk or just simply getting lost in the airports mean as reading both the border force today saying that they didn't feel able to compel people to go into the quarantine hotels and then of course says don't feel compelled. It's yes it's their job but they. They're not clear how they would go about doing that. Job oh god. Say bats just pathetic. If you don't know where somebody's come from cushy know somebody's come from you know what flight they've arrived on what you can ask them know if you think about it. By the time you get to the border to the passport control right you've mingled with a whole lot of different people The only way that you could know which flights somebody had been on would be to insist to see their boarding pass. Which incidentally in some of the country's incidentally in some of the countries i go to they do insist on your boarding pass so that they know where you've come from but unless you insist on seeing somebody's boarding pass i could say. Oh no i've just come in. I could look at the board. And i could have just coming on flight so say from germany. Let's say ronnie van proven well. That's my point. You've just come with a solution yet. That pathetically saying that they can't tell which fly somebody's coming on. You've got your boarding card. she'd pulse. You've got your luggage. Which has a tag on it or you. For god's sake because it really that difficult that you have plenty office is still unfit for purpose doesn't it. That's an interesting discussion. We were some now however even if you say yes bind to rights may have come from brazil You will be sent off to a quarantine hotel way you'll restrictions. We learned this week. We'll be considerably less than they would be for example. If you were an australian going home to australia you can wander around with security guards in and out you can thereby share your virus with them. They can then take that back of home and in fact their local community with it. So it's all little bits less strict than the rhetoric and the sort of ten years in jail. You're done junk boots again. Listen i know this is well first of all. I think it's really interesting that this is being done and led by matt hancock rather than by the home office. What's that about is it. Because they're giving it to matt hancock because they've been slacking off anyway and if it's going to go wrong. They want it to go wrong when he watched or is it because they don't trust the home office and pretty patel to be able to deliver this. They haven't even given it to grant shops as some secretary of state for transport. And he's largely been doing the travel corridors. And all of that sort of stuff. So i'm not quite sure what's happening within government that makes this matt. Hancock department of health's responsibility. All of a sudden is joined up government. Jackie as we as we it. It's been so joined up. The robert buckland. The justice secretary wasn't even consulted about the ten year sentence. A make it up really. Kenya that Because i suspect that had they had they consulted the ministry of justice that they would have said no way on your nellie mae when we're trying to struggle with high levels of it's not even that it's not even that i get the i get the logic of deterrent sentences but how can you possibly justify lying on a form in. This regard is more serious than a sexual offense. I mean you can't honey you just on. You can't justify and talked about this on wednesday it's all about you know closing the stable door after the horses bolted but slamming the stable door to show how very committed you are to stopping the horses. Bolting even though already has done is like slamming the transfer window shot and never you never gently close it. You slam shot. But the the main point here is if boris had rung you and me up and said look guys. we need your help. We need you to design this quarantine system for us. We wouldn't have made all of these cups would a made it. Wouldn't we wait. Have done a better job. we would have done. You'll right in if that we should be how the government survived without vice through all of this time. I do not know world quiet. And he's just a may to downing street appointments didn't offer us them. Did he deputy chief of staff and something or other while he's appointed baroness shimon finn. Michael goes ex girlfriend as his deputy juice off and also henry newman as i can't remember what the position was but interestingly another gave a really nice guy henry actually another gave acolyte. So i don't know how michael go does it. Because obviously dominant cummings was a go creation in many ways. So michael gave has all of these people in downing street. Effectively running shadow operation. Oh preparing for his ascension. Do we think oh one one point. I would have thought that was quite likely or even desirable. But i think it's less likely now and desirable am. I can think of far worse people to be prime minister but that's not difficult speakers. I find on the subject of covert the news. Yes yes. jackie received that text. Yesterday i received that take search. And i tend use. We'll build only long enough to scramble my phone book it there and then tell you what i think. It was less than a minute. After i'd got the tax before i'd actually book my appointment because it took me about forty five minutes to get through because they send these texts are all at the same time thing too for the same. Gp surgery so it takes a long time to get through. Well while i did. Yeah but i we. I just clicked on a link in the text. I'm booked it online and there were rosie yet. We're only slots left. By the time. I might click through so i suspect quite a lot of people had done it really quickly as well but i got one of them we wednesday. You're such a queue jumper. Well my even my bloody sister said to me ou queue-jumping faulty now position. In for the sake of everybody understanding in this part of the world they have now moved onto summoning the people who would be eligible for flu jab so because i have asthma. I'm eligible for a flu jab every year which i have incidentally and so i'm on that list and they've moved onto those people cut because i am of course only fifty eight so i should be further down the list. But you know given as you said. I was summoned by my gp. And i took the opportunity there all. I totally caught of people in scotland. Not very happy to the rollout. There is not gone as quick as in england and wales. And i keep getting people who diabetic say. Well you've had yours We haven't had anything up here So interesting to bit more detail. Not as to why that is of course. Fair to point out that in labour controlled wales given everybody's always usually banging on about the rest of the welsh. Nhs they have they were the first to vaccinate all of the top four groups so good for them. I'm they don't fifty thousand sheep to don't i heard the other day. Your caravan has been dismantled. It said that it is a caravan. Partly sydney bama th where all the all the caravans take away. No doubt oh you got me on because to go back to our first conversation. That's probably going to be my summer. Hold it is for goodness sake. If wales opened by and yeah i am so looking forward to gain to norfolk again My already saw my little house. It hasn't had anybody in it for what then by december january three and a half months. Now i've a friend of mine that goes and checks at k. but and it is one of those houses if you don't if you're not they're very much cobwebs developed very very quickly particularly in the because we are sitting very mrs sort of a vaulted ceilings as sort of add onto the house and the cobwebs developed. That'll be announced job for joan. Because he's always looking for something today. You won't be prancing around with the feather duster getting into the corners. Not really my scene or yours. So don't don't come with me because we all know that your cleaning habits lack of them now. Have we got anything else on caveat that we wanted to talk. I think we've done private. Haven't we We pretty well have mbeki membranes. Yes i think we have. Let's move on to the h. s. white paper which matt hancock revealed in the house of commons on thursday. I haven't looked at this in huge detail. Though the one thing that really stood out for me was the apparent abolition of compulsory competitive. Tendering for now. That has been a key. He tentative conservative policies since the mid nineteen eighties i remember being part of a campaign to promote competitive tendering in particular local government organization called polls. I think and i'm but it has got over the years not the best reputation in in some ways. Do you think that this is the right thing to do. Largely the white paper which was very widely leaked. Incidentally in advance of it being formally announced on thursday is quite a big dismantling of the lansley reforms. Back in twenty twelve and as you say of some of the early approach to provide a splits on the focus on You know having to heddon widely and there by giving a much bigger role for the private sector so for a conservative government. It's quite a big winding back. And it's also a winding back of elements of labour's policies as well because for example it moves away from the idea of sort of strong independent foundation trusts and towards much. More of an emphasis on Trusts working together. In fact. I think there's a proper proposal for duty to cooperate across systems so that we'll be seeing much more much less competition much less. You say tendering much more integrated care and cooperation between providers which i think probably the time is right for that whether or not the middle of pandemic is the right time to be talking about this type off. Scale of legislation is an interesting question but it is something that's been pretty widely. Trailed in that people are large. People in the system are largely behind which worries me to be honest. If i was a tory i mean if i was tori i would that this was a very very big shift away from what has previously been the case but of course he other things that it does that people in the national. Nhs in nhra england a much less happy about is under the auspices of saying it's about accountability. This will take back effective control over the nhs from nhl england back into the department of health and it will give ministers a much more direct saturday much more dire at levers over the health service. The nave certainly since twenty twelve and arguably since during the labor government as well when an hsa england was. Actually i set up. And that's an interesting thing. Because i think that this is a this is something that is one of these. Cyclical things in politics isn't all started in in the latter years of the thatcher government and particularly under john major with the creation of all these different agencies and the extensible thing was oh take the politicians out of it but goes when you take the politicians out of it. That doesn't necessarily solve any problems at all because what you then have a very highly paid bureaucrats and i. I always quite. The highways agency is the ultimate example of this which i think ought to be under the control of the department of transport but it's one step removed and therefore the transport secretary of state if there's a complaint about a road just potted palms off to the highways agency and then they they take a huge length of time to answer any queries if they can be asked a tool and the transport count actually do anything and i think that's i can see the logic of why they did it but i don't think he's worked in. It's not just status mean public health england. nha intern. i think i mean. Do we want the secretary of state to be responsible to be one simon stevens to be responsible to my mind. The chief executive of nature england is somebody who can take all the plaudits when things go right but can always palm off responsibility. When they don't so. I am not against political control coming back in a of these areas and you in your area in the home office i mean clearly the board of border force but that was hived off the home office. It was an absolutely disastrous thing to do and it was quite right. When theresa may brought it back well except it was hived off because it wasn't working when it was inside the home office side as they should have been made to your where you are right is the simply making something. An arms length body doesn't solve fundamental problems with the delivery of policy. I agree with you about that. What i would say about an england though is that and this is an argument. Either for hiving off or not bringing it back in house more. But the history of this pandemic is that those things are sinclair. And the nhs more widely have been responsible for the vaccination delivery and the ramping up. Puff capacity in hospitals in order to deal with the cases have largely been successful. The things that apartment of health have more closely had their hands on test and trace and p distribution have been unsuccessful. Well yeah yes up to a point. they were suddenly were initially But i you you can judge everything by things that happen in a pandemic it normal circumstances i do think. Nhl england has been performing as. It should have been doing what why not. What's your we'll if not downright well be my read. My book the nhs things that need to be said salah say okay but it's just it it such this is why you come back to this whole argument about have we really got a national health service. Not at one thing. The pandemic is showing that in some ways. We have in other ways. We haven't a and things are being still being done. I mean depends where you live in the country as to what level of service you get in particular areas and that will inevitably always be the case. But why don't we just front up and admit it do we need. Nhs england would it be better to have a different structure but this white paper doesn't really go tos it it doesn't And where. I have where i tend to agree with. You is even more than in things like roads. It's what i think. One of the frustrations that ministers feel is that wall street the day to day responsibility does rest with s england. The nhs's of such sort of significance to people that ministers and never actually going to escape the blame or responsibility for what's happening within the nhl. Let's be open about it and give them responsibility. That's i think that's what they feel. But i'm not sure that it'll quite were so therefore they say to themselves week in the blame for this so we won't be able to have the weekly meetings where we pass reuters down to the nhs and tell them what they think they should be doing. Because we've been getting some flack belter either from the newspapers or from parliament. Okay but it won't solve all the problems in the way in which you think it will and you play will be even more on you as well as the responsibility but when you can hunt secretary were you not frustrated that there were things that you felt that you had little control over as home secretary because they had been formed out into these various agencies. Yes of course So i mean we did still pretty well have received and sorry to haman har you agency a good example because although it became the uk borders agency during my time. Us home secretary. Having been planned by john reid my immediate predecessor. I didn't feel any difference in the level of responsibility and accountability. That i had for its delivery was when it became an independent organization. I mean to be fair. I still had caught power over what it ought to the extent that you could control. It's sort of administration and delivery. Whether it was in house or out of house. i still had the same amount of that Regardless of whether it was in house or out of house so overall i went. You read the whole thing but overall do you think that it's a positive move or do you think is going to be a matter of great controversy as it goes through parliament overall. I think it's a positive move. I think won't be the controversy. There was around the twenty twelve reforms. I think if the opposition is gonna come from anywhere. I suspect there might be some tory opposition to some elements. Come you got that totally wrong. The opposition to any nhs reform always comes from the british medical association. Always that that's true. I think most of the nhl views it. As i mean. I actually think it's reasonably on ambitious in some ways but it is also a change. That is very much in the light of the direction of travel. There is already the case that in all the areas of england are organizations are working much more closely together under the auspices of what used to be called sustainability and transformation partnerships and now called integrated care systems so in birmingham and solihull working much more closely together almost beyond where the current legislation would allow us to be so this legislation to a certain extent is catching up with what the nhl is already doing. So that won't be controversial. I think is controversial and there was a lot of comments about this that This week is eight is very much focused on health and although it contains sentences about a we know social cares really important. And oh yes. We're going to do the reform given that. Boris johnson said that he had an oven ready plan for social care. It's taken a hell of a long time to get out of the oven. But it wasn't it was on gas not one that's going to be the casserole of social care. It's going to be very nice and tender by this much. What do lock nice casserole do you. Do you know a slow cooked battle something about that. We got into a debate with a friend of mine. The what's up about the type of meat that you should put into a casserole and joan always buys proper stake to put in casseroles. He's real while you see. That's what my friend. who says. Well what's the point spending all that money and there will because we like nice me and so we had one on monday nothing he bought sirloin and kati roll up and it was low was fantastic from say we should just buy cheat me to put in a casserole why you should buy what they used to call stewing steak for my memories. Yeah well because you cooking it. Le the reason for not for not frying that for example a grilling is it would be too tough but when you've cooked too long in snow and all of the fight as broke down then you know it's it's nice. It's nice to eat so blade of beef. Aw even now that we can eat again. Something like oxtail which is delicious when you cook it in a long is actually. Yes you see that. I used to start until i realized it was actually not talk when you see you. Should you should embrace this new thing about you. know you. E- everything from the nose to the tail. Oh yes. I don't want to think about where it's come from because if i did. I wouldn't it when you shouldn't be decided why do people kidneys or liver disgusting. The thing will goes through kidneys and liver. There's a reason that you know. Well that's what keeps us. This particular peacock exactly nolan grain. Oh fullness oh my mind. My grandmother used to do this what it was. She could bru- brunettes braun. Sitting caveat from the kitchen. I can smell it now. I'll know lovely. My mom used to buy pick or hoffa pigs cook it. And then you take the take off the meat from the face and a and you've got jelly and i'm i'm i'm turning vegan as we speak this where what other podcasts could go from speaking about the nature of white paper to the contents of a casserole. That's why we are. Now you want to talk about. Boris johnson had. Yes we cover all the serious subject to. Why did i put that down this week. It's because i think it was particularly bad against somebody spoke to me about it. And i can't remember who but it is a bit a bloody disgrace to we didn't do someone's if we talked about it before and consistently he fails to make his hair look decent. Just did i just given up on. Basically winter they have mirrors downing street. I've told you before. I have seen him mushed. I know miss up less hair before he doesn't blood on. But it's also when you see some usually older man who hasn't shaved properly and you will when you looking in a mirror when you shave this morning and these men that have these little bristles up that cheekbones and you did that deliberately but why it looks ridiculous people who stay shave for ten minutes looking in the mirror and they can't see that their eyebrows are briefly and got longhairs coming out to them. Trim them it's not that difficult yet. Don't tell me on. I'm very well. Coughed i tell you but you tallied all ski. Something yes ski. Something do you to manage manscaping. Do you keep it all neat and tidy down below. Somebody was talking to me by. Incidentally it's not him. Somebody else was talking to me. Somebody close to me was talking about the fact that young men to all that keeping it tidy down life. Yes i think that. I'm this is a saturday podcast. And i think sean. Let's put it this way. There is a case for keeping it within manageable bounds but there is no case for shaving it all off or that crooked sack no. I've stress think no. I'm sorry it's not natural. Okay because if you're eight years old yuck yeah coin okay. Thanks for bringing that up from john. Boris johnson had pubic hair. Yes one seemed to move and young but the thing about young men. It's not just that but they are. I think young men nowadays a much more careful about their appearance and young men were when i was young enough. This much thermal products used much more working out much more hair removal. W if i think it's a good thing i don't think you do think it's a good thing because i think you light your men to be men. I don't think you like hello. This sort of metro sexual hair plucking and bullock shaving. And whatever. and. I'm on your side. You have a basis for the allegation not completely wrong. Rough and ready. Incidentally sorry to say the deadly page. Three boy Why that came to my mind. He's wondering what you're gonna say. Now he's listened a his appearance on the show tonight and he's decided that you're right. He did sound a bit porsche and actually he doesn't sound like that in real life. He sounds a lot more northern. Maybe next time we cannot move them for words. Well obviously he was struck because we were on the other end effect on people. Honestly you do talking of which. Tell us about your. You'll virtual trip to sweden ian del. You've become a darling of the labor is sick making. I haven't been invited to speak swinton labor issue have actually. They invited you last night on twitter. Did they haven't seen that no well. That's nice. She listened to the podcast. Now you've yeah. I like the fact that they have be flipping dale former tory blogger before they have jackie smith. They went all about relationship i did. You didn't tell them everything. I spilt everything Really enjoy bletchley as to diplomat now in twenty minutes and you talk about well at. I don't i've i don't do talks on these things. I always get them to ask questions. So jim who had organized the whole thing. He basically interviewed me for about half an hour and then through open to questions. Because i'm much better at respond to questions. And i'm just giving us a twenty five minute monologue and i just think on zoom that works. I think people want to feel a bit involved in what's going on. So i'm taught will all the usual things he would expect and other questions were really good though but they did let slip. That one of their members had resigned over my invitation. He would should we say on. The kuban is wing and they they possibly. They didn't say. I got the impression they went. Holy sorry this person departed. I slightly overheard someone saying we've been trying to get rid of them for each is nothing but trouble. You know. Side delighted to provide that public service is really good And they were on those news hostility to all the all. The questions were fat. Exactly the same kind of questions i get. When i speak to tory associations those one guy actually was really interesting. And i thought he made a really valid point an interest to hear what you think of this in that he thought the one point the boris johnson government was sort of very right wing very extreme. But he's changed his mind now and he thinks it is a much more moderate looking government and the boris johnson has come in the last couple of months has come across in a very different way and i said yeah well. That's because dominic cummings. Isn't there anymore. Yeah i think. I thought is a really perceptive thing for him to say well the interesting thing. Of course. it's post the twenty nine hundred election. There was a lot of talk wasn't there. Pre co fade of agenda. Certainly felt pre You know mainstream to me and given what we've just been talking about in terms of health white paper. I mean that is nowhere near a sort of hard rights traditional approach to the nhl so it may well be you know you may. Well be right about now. Yeah so you enjoyed it and Undoing tatton conservatives. In a couple of weeks i'm doing Breckon ratna southern liberal democrats. I'm your friendship donors suggestive asha constituency. So actually the invitation from west hasn't been forthcoming yet. They will resigning from his. Actually yeah if you want to get rid of all of this. This is the best selling point actually to constituency labour parties. If you want to ridge yourself of these cool benicia troublemakers. Invitee zoom call with you. That'll do it. I did a lovely thing. I could challenge for this as you say they'd be happy to pay quite a few of them addressed the labor women's parliamentary staff network on tuesday. This is really good. Initiative which has been set up by labor and now there's a equivalent conservative women's parliamentary staff network as well his remains one they will not actually sort of. I did work in parliament for a year straight after i was at university. Yeah yeah what. What year was that. then I would have been eighty four to eighty five while i was sort of eighty five to eighty seven but i was there for two weeks at christmas eighty four. I wonder if we have. A co club is on each other. I think i would have remembered. If i'd clapped is on you in your good-looking full of hands is yeah. My ewing looks and of course it wasn't really anyway. The staff could work together in those days and the fact that these networks have been set up a particular. i mean. it's partly come out of the bullying allegations the failure for there to be any sort of independent way of dealing with complaints but it also does good for them. They this week they had me talk to them on tuesday and then yesterday or thursday they had caroline nokes. The chair of the women inequalities committee have worked to do that. They did it for forty five minutes in their lunch break. shut up and what. You'll be sorry you said that because they specifically asked me to tell you how much they liked hugh yes shop so you were beginning invitation now a tell them a thing about working in parliament for my two stints la. Perhaps they will want to hear from me. Up like i mean seriously they. It was like a different age wasn't working in parliament in the mid nineteen eighty s to the atmosphere that there is now just in just in the building. The facilities the kind of people that are. They're totally different age. Yeah completely and i used to go and spend quite time watching debates as well. Never do that now would you. People don't go into the east certainly starved or go into the chamber. Very i mean even pre covert. Don't go into the chamber very much do they. But then that's partly because of course. You can easily watch debates on the telly from your office. Which is also the reason why why members don't go in some. You know you could be sitting in your office. You can follow the debate. You could be doing your emails. I used to go into that little gallery under the under the gallery. So you felt as if you're sitting in the chamber did you ever sit in. There will not remain. I know what you mean. The liepa where the officials sit. Yes exactly so. It's it's like on the opposition benches or yeah you do get a different feel when you're down at the same apple you get that. Get that in ten large anymore. Now that they've built all of these windows around the top. I wonder if you can. They allowed the republican that one sort of in the chamber any more. I don't think. I think you have to have a special team. Well i mean talking. Ten years ago you off. They had built the Glass screen which of course happened after people were throwing things attorney screen. Yep yep oh then they didn't. They didn't build a screen round that particular what they call it under the gallery. seating area. There wasn't a screen. They're bart you have to have a very special mission in to get in there. Go with met. We've beyond off the subject there. Yeah but some of faintly political. I think i think people will be all right with that one. Yeah let's hope anyway. What if they're not titties collector refunded the way out the door hit you right. The trump impeachment trial We are recording this. It's twelve fifty. Seven saturday lunchtime and i think in a minutes all gets underway again. In fact they might have a vote today. A thing seems to do this on. Saturday does never could be tomorrow. It seems unlikely that he will be found guilty. But the i mean what what a cluster shambles his defense as being in it and that video that they showed of all of the times that democrats said they would fight this fight that as if it was the equivalent to what donald trump said if it was just rizal well exactly and if that the democrat prosecution has been i think really effective in reminding people about the hideous -ness of what went on and that juxtaposition of the things that trump had said alongside the repeating of those sorts of things by some of the protesters and the pictures of this viciousness own. That protests were engaged in. I mean you know. I was quite shocked at the time but i've been more shocked to watching clips of those films. I didn't realize. I think the members of congress were genuinely in physical danger. I thought these were people who were just enjoying a bit of a rampage. Couldn't quite believe lock But i think it was much more sinister than that. In retrospect well you know not all of them but there were people within that group who had of record of violence. And i think had they got hold of some people things could be an even worse than they were five people at five or six people died as it wall sorry tale which is really awful an dumb but trump is pretty Trump and his team pretty unrepentant outlay. The interesting point. Here is what works. Best politically for the democrats. Is it best that he actually could still be in a position in four years time where he could make a bid to be the republican candidate and on the record is all of this uttley grim stuff about what he was like that people refer to I i saw almost feel that. That's a better place for the democrats to be the naturally being successful in impeachment and stopping him from around care. What's good for the democrats. Arca was best for the country And i'll look. It doesn't really matter what we think he's not going to be found guilty so therefore in theory could get in twenty twenty four but there's no way that he will be the republican candidate in twenty twenty four. He might run as an independent But the republican party surely is going to come to its senses and Try and get back on an even keel. They they've it's not just doing the trump so they've lost. Control is way before that when the tea party effectively took it over so hopefully some sense of moderation will return doing is guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination. Just a minute. It's all kicking outside my house. There's a bit of road rage bloke. This pulled over in a sort of people carry a type thing. East go out is ever go a young woman in the car behind him causing a traffic jam and now the police have just pulled up as well. Do they not need the assistance of performed secretary going gonna wonder out there and say Anyhow could do to help always getting in. He's looking his car. I think he thinks has been some damaged on twitter. Now is getting out a pen and paper cop. I got the blue light. Salmon is is some directing traffic away from them. It's exciting this. Oh that's right. No she's just had to go in and told him to put a mouse called. Although she's not wearing a mask yourself to be fair anyway. Let you comfortable. Soper moldovan the most exciting thing that's happened on a longtime you do realize you've just told everyone who live. Should we get that out anybody in mall already involving pretty well knows frankly all you'd have to do so. Stop some of the straight. Why does that jacqui. Smith live in totally would tell them sooner torius. She goes to waitress. Several people recently have said to me all my relatives. Say they've seen you in waitrose waitrose that much issue shoe you. Yeah you're right. I'm back again this afternoon to against some lunch for tomorrow to get some of your steering stake who know wherever most port tomorrow. I'm not never been keen on pork. But i'm okay as long as i fat on it. I don't like any pork the fats. The best bit early jalek crackling. Of course. I do see how i used to but i don't anymore it's going to be the thing is though i am getting to that age. Now oh my god the cops earn oprah count now. I'm getting to that age now where it has to be crisp rather than really crackly because motif on what they were are you. Don't wanna lose a filling sunday night. Nice sochi correctly this title for this episode or marching in this world is one of course well so a further north in the black country pokes coach. I mean black country. Do you not take the mickey out of the west indies or lord. You push southerner do you like a pork scratching. No see oppo scratching with upon to bear. What is better as long as are the soft ones. Are the drugs once again. No i don't like any of those sort of pub type. Snacky things unafraid right. Do you like an all. what do you. He told us a disgusting things definitely. Not a doesn't like a salty snack. I'm going back to trump impeachment. There was a fantastic documentary on bbc. Two wasn't stay night. Called trump takes on the world. It's the first part of a three series three part series of donald trump's foreign policy escapades. And they're all sorts of people who learn awful lot about his relationship with theresa may Lots of really good anecdotes as well. And so i can highly recommend it. Some bbc two and a wednesday nights at nine. Okay but it's on the. It's on the i player so you can catch up with it and it's absolutely gripping It's oversee quite critical in many ways. Whereas i think if donald trump did have successes i think they were largely in the foreign policy area but they haven't really gone into that this is all about nato and his relationship with european leaders in putin amazing sort of a first person. What's what what am i looking for. I mean that's it. There are people in the room. Were just saying john. Bolton was i mean. Apparently trump rang bolton up during this nato summit remember the one where he told me got to pay a lot more money and he said he said right. Shall i say tomorrow that where we're going to leave. Nato and bolton i mean bolton is should we say. I think he's one of my scary people i've ever interviewed quite extreme but i mean he comes across as a complete moderate in the whole thing and i mean it's just fascinating And the second one. This week is on the middle east. So that'll be interesting to know definitely do now. You wanted to have a go at my friend andrew. Parsons who's the number ten photographer. The several number ten photography's isn't he I won't go. I won't us to in a informed and moderate way consider whether or not taxpayers. Money should be fucking well use to take pictures of the prime minister's dog for half a day. That's what i wanted to discuss. But i will also say that. I'm not opposed to the idea that there should be a photographer. Attached number ten. I understand the needs to chronicle in pictures. The life of a prime minister and the prime minister's office effectively. I do think that when you look at the white. The equivalent photos the white house. For example they all quite often brilliant. Show aside to a president that you don't see in a but i think this whole lots of photos of the dock thing was a bit of a shooting themselves in the foot this week. You see the that is an interesting thing. I can kind of see the logic of you saying that. But on the other hand if you're having a chronicler of what happens in downing street. The dog is paused extreme life. I remember anybody in america Jumping up and down pitches. Bonnie george bush's dog with what taken It doesn't really if he had a spare half an hour to take pictures of a dog. So walk is you're not if you're a photographer. You're not on duty. One hundred percent of the time are you. Because you're not going to be a when. Boris johnson has a one on one with michael gave. You're not going to be take constantly clicking pictures of that. So i have a problem with it at all. Frankly isn't as something as well though about. I mean we wouldn't know that he had taken photos of the dog. If number ten hadn't then released the photos of the dog which is a bit of a silly thing to do in the middle of a pandemic. You might be thinking to yourself okay. Even will it clearly didn't did it made everybody very pistol th no no it. It made a few left each journalists pissed off the rest of us. Look to the pitches and went. Oh bless him. And that's what the general public. That is what they will have done. That would be yes. There would be a few people who hate borresen. Want to pick apart. Anything ever does so. We'll have a go but most normal people with a look at those pictures and thought. How lovely pictures i think. I think i'm more sympathetic to a number ten photographer. The most members of the most members of the public would go. What the hell's photographer for Not so sure feels a few pages of the newspaper. Doesn't it seem letter privacy. Assume this is the As i described the monk morning britain the artist formerly known as the royal family. When you say when you were doing your good morning. Britain frank tycoon. Give a flying fuck. Think typically what you said. Well no. I didn't know i saw a tweet. I couldn't give a flying fuck about these two members of the royal family. Yeah we had. We had a little bit of beef. Didn't although i was more having beef with chris ship. I have to say the numbers with you. So they tell you that he was going to be. They did not immediately before. Yeah right well. of course. They didn't tell us because we always wobbly when they put anybody else on with us. Although to be fair to him he wasn't too intrusive forty he. There was a point to him being on there. They probably thought to themselves. And if we try and get. Jackie in to comment on the royal family. They'll do that thing that they always do. Which is to say could give. The lesson is don't talk about the role fighters on these sees. This became fully enough. This became more interesting to me. Because of what chris was saying so essentially his argument was on the argument of course of the mail on sunday. Who have lost their case against meghan for publishing the letter that she wrote to her father. Her father then gave to the mail on sunday and her argument. Is this a private letter. That i was sending to my father. You're invading my privacy. And it shouldn't have happened. The judge has found in her favor. The argument that cruise ship and the man on sunday us. Oh well yes but you know. This is a massive impingement all the ability of the media to publish leaked so for example. If there was a leaked letter from the government they wouldn't be able to publish it well. I'm sorry i just think that was an utter confusion of to please separate things i i. I've seen plenty of league letters from government. I don't like it happening. But i can wholly understand legitimacy of newspapers publishing leaked paper about policy developments around politicians. All some. if my memory is wrong here. But didn't you have damian green for publishing league things from government as i have a question that he knows he also t and we could have caused points listeners to episode back in whenever it was when we talk about the damian green thing at some length funny we could remember which episode it was. It was sort of beginning. isn't it yeah no an. i don't think people should. I don't think people should leak things from government. And i certainly don't think the opposition politicians should groom junior that so very serious allegations true daming. Daming korean listens to this. He could probably see over that. That's libelous i'll see you in court and you can bring david davis with you. Davis would be there whether he brought him with him with a backup with a bag of popcorn. So you can groom junius stall to release but not not. Not not in the purview way. That can be just way in a way that makes them believe if they leak information. Secretary's office somehow or another that was extreme members to someone that you knew yes very well well it a along with my diary secretary so yes very well. They worked literally in my office so two of them. Yes or if was just one when it was one working with another one. Who is my diary site. We thought being. I didn't know that. I mean that must have been just a on a human level. Quiet quiet blow. It was absolutely awful because what it meant was whilst it was happening until i knew who it was it was obvious because of the range of different things that were being leaked that it could only be somebody that was in the private office therefore getting access to all of different documents a range of different policy areas. The only the home secretary would see so it wasn't even in somebody else's private office where it would just be immigration just policing and how many people worked in your private office about fifteen. And how many just didn't work most people off. That is not true by the way you said to respect for all the civil servants robot. now you've donkey writing grave on that one. That was just a cheap crack does not represent reality. She knows all about no you careful other given so my point here is rome though it was to get this leaked information. I wouldn't have condemned newspaper. Well the bloody newspapers did publish it. I wouldn't have condemned the newspaper for publishing it. Is you know so often legitimate comments on the process of government. It's completely different. If it's a private letter that somebody's sending to their father. And i so i said on good morning britain. Is you know. Soak up. Mail on sunday stock trying to take the moral high ground and suggests you're doing something that's about freedom of speech auto bollocks. You're doing something about a a member. The royal family that you didn't like and a very painful personal situation and yes i know. Her father gave you the letter. But you know coupled. I think there is an interesting copyright issues which i don't think has been decided and that may be the grounds on which the on sunday would appeal. This does the copyright of a letter just lay with the author of the letter or does it partly remain with the recipient to the latter. Nothing there is no argument to that. Anyway finally this bloke is now trying to show this police officer the. I'm just standing up. Because i'm trying to see the damage because he's shows your twitching. My attilio he is only about twenty meters away from me. I mean they are really close. I can see them. The cops aren't wearing masks. Which i think is slightly interesting. Can't see any damage on the side of this guy is colorado. So you see you. Could you could recreate history here and tight them out cups of stew. We is two thousand nine over. No there aren't any journalists. I always used to take cups of tea to the police officers. That were outside the house not the journalists. No of course not missing. Yeah but i mean. Boris did that once the Remember which a lot was with all those different monkey mugs cow. His best crockery did he by any means and before we go into questions. I've spent half the morning in floods of tears. Because i've been watching episodes long lost family while being things work. Do you watch. That is the most emotional roller coaster program and and you know that each program. You are going to start crying. Because it's just so moving and touching as to when you don't even know the program do they sort of reunite people that birth and that type nicky campbell. And i'm davina mccall and if you all say you adopted in the nineteen sixties And you want to find out find your parents or you are the parents and you want to find your child you right into them and they then find them for you and i mean. Some of the stories are just incredible. There's a fantastic. What in the first episode. Why it's to irish people who I think she got pregnant when she was seventeen and they came to england had the baby They couldn't find work so they had to put the baby into care for a few weeks and they won they then found a job And then went to pick up the baby and they the for the social services said well no skated court and the judge will decide whether you can have your baby back or whether he'll be adopted. Wow and the judge did decide that they couldn't have him back so they he was adopted by spanish couple who lived in britain at the time but then they moved back to spain and to cut a long story short. They been reunited with him but of course he speak spanish. He speaks bit of english and it was just so moving because they were such transparently nice people and he was such nice guy as well. And you've just kennel not be moved by all of these stories. I said to. John ones while as watching this. Could it almost makes you want to be an adopted so you can have the the reunited with your family. Doesn't it stupid stupid. Interestingly when i was in the department of health i took through some legislation relating to adoption and part of the provisions of the bill were around people wanting to how you facilitated where people wanted to them finding their birth parents. All whatever is enormously sensitive uncle because of course actually adoption has to be about the best interest of the child and however much parent might want to find the child that they've given up for adoption. It may not be in the best interest of the child so it was all about how you put protections round silla taking it for those to i see i think this is being party or legistlation but there are authorized intermediaries now. Yes yes they often use them but there was another story. I think it was in the second episode. I watched where the mother who was fifteen when she got pregnant and her father just wouldn't entertain the fact that she could keep it so the baby was adopted and she's been trying to and this is fifty years ago and she's been trying to find her daughter ever sentence anyway. The program found the daughter. It turned out that the daughter had found the mother on facebook three years earlier but didn't tag and touch with her because she could see that she had got really happy family life and didn't want to sort of either rhys bay rejected or risk upsetting her mother's family so she didn't contact so when they get when the program in touch with that. I'm this is all her christmases. Come at once and it turned out that they lift like a couple of miles away from each other So each one has got the most amazing story. Of course nicky. Campbell is adopted himself in his written. The most fantastic book about it as well. i'd say this one of the best books i've written in a very long time. So yeah so. That's how. I spent my moaning crying. We will everybody's sending you a sort of big virtual honk right so we cheer you up by talking about outdoor sex in a minute. Oh yes we forgot about that. Let's let's do that before we do questions. What experiences would you like to share with us. This is a serious discussion about a news story. this week. Sent to me by my good colleague. Chum and other things page three boy dropping a hint say to him. I just say to you dropping in a couple. Have face being fined for breaking lockdown rules after being caught quotes four negating under the stars on dartmoor. Nothing to say this. I think we were discussing this this morning. And i think it may have been two women. I don't know i mean dayton just do it doesn't actually has paid for. no no never never was his. Nobody could imagine that women would g search things well being being dainty little people that they are thirty three percent of brits say that they're comfortable with the idea of having sex in the great ideas. I'd great deals including forty nine percent of men but only seventeen percent of women. I mean the thing. The key point here is i might be comfortable with having sex in the great outdoors on balmy evening in a very private place where nobody was going to come across me Cystic could you can see that coming mile. So it's a bit different in one. During a pandemic to dartmoor. Three dartmoor is a private place but three when it's flipping three degrees below zero. They must have been desperate for it. Don't show i could perform at three degrees below zero. You know here. The important questions were they in a household together that count as exercising or not if if they wanted a household and they weren't exercising then they shouldn't have been together a tool had they travelled a long way to get. These are the key questions. I know in people's minds at the moment amongst others. I'm not quite sure where to go with this. That's fine we've done that. I haven't seen the case may be still blooming up right. Let's move on to questions. Do you have a twitter. I think there were lots of twitter questions today. What ma go quite yet We've done this. One from eight shoe says any chance in could dose himself up with cough myths. And before you record a maybe you could lay off the sweets. Still you've finished okay. Issue right. I was sucking slurping wednesday. Run out of see serena's anymore daniel Says we'll nicholas sturgeon a style out be resign c. Get sacked the go to prison. I think this is developing in a very interesting way and it has a big article in the daily mail this morning about could this d rail independence and if you think about it. It has the potential to d. Say not suggesting it will but it could do alex salmond isn't going to let this slide. They've now Perspire nicholas surgeons evidence till in into march was if he will give evidence before this committee. Now i'm i think this could be a very very damaging fee weeks the smp which is the last thing they need us. I go into the scottish. Parliamentary elections in may indeed But i can't really predict where it's going to end which is what makes it so am chesting indeed indeed indeed right below. My dog is is when you want to do be quakes onto war a quicks when when when she goes into the garden and does a little. We all be. Yeah that's what we call it. My mobile. I think she might need to be quick. Spur carry on for now and if she does. I'm going to have to go and let her out the back door. Well i've got lots of political drag. Otis names to read out. This is from tom. He says though he going big ish. Johnson dance a very good one randy sooner dominate tricks. Rob be randy lewis lists thrust su'a braverman gavin gavin's william someone no. I can't read that one out about another tom. I think we've got graham From bush's now he's got. Let's see. I don't really quite funny. Somebody every possibly should. Maybe leave these barry lady gardner lisa randy. Don say this one. But i'll just say valerie. I might leave the others till one state but Roy another one for me. Jonathan is abi. News emerged this week at weena. Curry is making a political comeback fighting. A council seat in darbyshire trying to oust ex-labour. Mp roof george as a counselor which former national politicians would you like to see. Shake things up in local government. I think jeremy corbyn. Because that's more his level counsel. Yeah you think when he couldn't stand the labor for being nineteen eighty-three probably was was knee. Before i i don't know if he was a councillor before he was elected to parliament. I think he worked for isetan council and was union. Rep was neil something right okay okay. Could few people have left parliament and gone into go back to being sold counselors things again unto burnham slutty more than i decided they most. I have to say quite a lot of counselors have much more power and control of possibly over a slightly narrower fear of things but then a backbench. Mp would have to do that. Mary macleod says thank you for mentioning chesapeake shores. I decided to have a look. It's brightened up my solitary lockdown. While i can hide recommend though when now into series three and jones get bored with it because nothing really happens like that allen pay says weeks ago. Nick ferrari was banging on. Journalists was banking on journalist. Asking silly questions for example. When will this cove it end. What's your comment on. Journalists are silly questions for ian. You'll comment from the point of view of aradio and jackie. From the point of view of a politician. Sensationalization brought down the quality of questions question. Mark well i think it goes back to this whole idea that journalists just ask questions to get got your answers and if you ask a question to which there is no answer. Don't be surprised if you don't get an answer me. So classic example of this week with laura kuenssberg where her. Mike was left up after boris johnson asked given an answer to her question on Will holidays bill out together head and she was caught saying girl but he never answered the question. I'm thinking no you didn't answer the question. Because a bloody stupid question which she should never reversed. What does she ask will happen car. Remember the exact wording but it was a question to which there was no answer that he could possibly have given well. perhaps that. What that means is that ministers earlier on in the week. Shouldn't have been giving as we said earlier. All of those different answers and then they would have run into that miss. I'm not saying. I'm not totally disagreeing with you. But they got themselves into that. Problem didn't name by all giving different answers. They should said well. They honest and i think people would probably accept that at this particular point in time. Journalists might not but i think the public would if they said look. Things are changing really quickly. We just don't know but what we will trying to decide this as quickly as possible in line with what the scientists are advising us just on that yesterday did an hour long all talk interview with jillian keegan which again a couple of weeks. She's the apprenticeship minister. I what a refreshing voice. She is really. She hasn't grown up through the polit- nor political means she. I think became a counselor in twenty forty and then chichester in two thousand seventeen now. She's a minister. She's liverpool really. Brian bubbly and you can tell that she's not going to be. Somebody's just to be dictated to by spin-doctors spurt. That will either be the making or breaking over as a suspect so to have my alter podcast which changed offi will be appearing on next tuesday right. You know you said that graham bushy can be very funny. I wonder if. I wonder if you'll think the same after this question. Jackie said gm today she would happily marry her plumber. Who fixed boiler is paged. Three boy a bit miffed that someone else could be muscling in on servicing is all boiler graham graham grab. I think it was graham from bushy. That did the whole sports car. My sports car is sign of a midlife crisis. And he's obsessed by pace. Three boy is a bit of jealousy lurking in the undergrowth there. The truth of the matter is page. Three boy introduced me to dave the plumber. So he's only. My affections have shifted now to the man that can heat me up if you know what i mean your turn. Thomas says does ian have confidence in jackie smith. Jackie did you ever refuse to answer. If you had confidence in any of your police chiefs regardless of whether they disagreed with your right-wing hard line view on id cards incidentally thomas. They didn't disagree with my wholly reasonable and sensible approach to id cards. But i get the point of your question which is about pre tail refusing to express her confidence in the met police commissioner but it will be a bit belatedly. I mean what. I thought was quite amusing about this walls that boris johnson a number ten essentially stepped in to express confidence in commissioner. But one of the beefs. That boris johnson. And i i had. When i was home secretary. He was the mayor of london wars. He's undermining of then. Commissioner ian blair To the point where he had to resign. The i was enormously angry about at the time. And i think it's interesting that the the sort of tables turned and he's finding himself in a position where he said she has to. I'm not sure up too strong. A word but he has to give confidence to the police commissioner. When he's home secretary is failing to in blow was an interesting one. Wasn't he mean he was. He was one of these. Strutting policeman was news very interested in his own profile. I'm sure that street that's really true. I mean he was quite quite It's about backwards coming forwards if you're going to be the commission of the medical issue the spokesperson for anything to do with counter-terror policing and quite often you're the person that people go to way because it's london it's the biggest police force etc so i think it's a bit unfair to say strutting. I never found. I found him actually very serious and thoughtful and good. Which was why. I was so cross is undermining by johnson for what i think. We're a political grandstanding. Reasons to be better. He was always quite open and willing to two interviews unlike many of his predecessors. It has to be said. Sarah jane a finnish she said not to mention a name She the one that said she was a teacher and not to mention her name. Yes she's a teacher but she hasn't said that not mentioned. Well fuck it. I'm firstly a massive. Thank you both for entertaining informing and making me laugh to the lockdowns with the bookshelf of mr details hardbacks. We'll be forgiven for thinking. I'm a torian would never guess that twenty years ago i was a card carrying member of the labor party at the city councilor. Now i'm a middle leader and teacher in a northward ship school. I've worked every day in class bubble and online so i felt your pain and apprehension when you were discussing the zoom before it happened i remember how in the late nineteen ninety s politicos was a mecca for us visiting london from the midlands. I can't believe any recent recently realized the connection. I'm an intelligence and reasonably well informed individuals who can be dapi at times good that your primary schoolteacher then around the same time. Jackie you and your colleagues were an inspiration to a twenty something politically active female my ex partner word for one of your colleagues and we all truly believed that things could only get better. You could who could have predicted the past year with the state of the government and the reluctant opposition. I'm beginning to think that. The only way out is for ian to reignite his parliamentary ambitions and jackie to get reelected now that would shake things up between listening to iran's many podcasts books on the shelf and tuning into the good morning britain jeremy vine and the recent zoom podcast is voices constantly audible. Yes i've got you on that too in our house and my long suffering husband now simply says your fantasy lover is on. I've told him he has no need to worry now. She then gives a long list of drag names. Which having said that. She's a primary schoolteacher. The anyone one i can actually say elizabeth truss. I think i. I think you might be in front of a disciplinary. If i gave the other say leave their question. No okay jesmyn placement caparo society. That's fine well yours. In particular about y- you are constantly with her. Okay cole. Read says what do you any into to keep yourself occupied away from the podcast to keep motivated and happy during lockdown. I can't perform with my band. So i make videos of cover songs. My friend's request. I did cliff. Richard this week and hoped ian would watch it. He hasn't yet and then on twitter he then includes it in case you would like to look at it. Yes i did look at. It is any good well. it's not bad. it's just not good to see original thing but could be but what could be here. I you see some cover versions are better than the originals But it was a bit weird when he was like playing every instrument and seeing some as well and it was a bit mount chinese trying to keep himself occupied during lockdown for goodness sakes early talented musician. Giving ma. what's the answer to the question. What do you do to keep yourself occupied away from the podcast I read on just about to start his on hollywood's books. I've got to interview her monday. Sperling books sean gonna finish it all about her husband who's cabinet secretary who you presumably new reasonably. Well let me very well. She were about that And i don't watch an awful lot of different things on television nowadays. I tend to if. I like a series. I'll watch the whole of that. I've got so much on my sky. Plus thing that on just never got around to watching dogs for a walk to my politico stuff. Which i know his work. I quite enjoy it I don't really have a very interesting life at the moment. I do quite a lot of work. Copiously apart from the podcast Quite busy at work. And then i go round to patriot boys house and have not like yesterday evening I go for ron. We're going for a run after this. I do yoga. not a journey. Those things go rampage three boys and breakfast environment. He's a very good cook. So you say yeah right. Jane says the facts of the products. Me plowing on you in these desperately miserable times. My question is an uncomfortable warm. But i think it needs to be altered and who better to answer the new to. It is a serious question that the uk has the worst death rates in the world yet. It's cumulative cases per capita since the start of the pandemic has actually been lower than that of spain. Belgium portugal switzerland slovenia luxembourg. The netherlands have so didn't know that as a clinical dietitian whether the disproportionately high number of deaths in the uk has anything to do with the fact that the british public is incredibly overweight. Study showed that sixty percent of british adults right away and the age of thirty five thirty percent are clinically obese as a result where the fattest nation in europe longshot the next nation behind us germany has an ability right that is forty percent lower than ours whilst frances is sixty percent learn a whole host of peer. Reviewed studies a proven. That being overweight puts you at significantly greater risk of dying from covert with this in mind. Do you think this explains are exceptionally high death rates. I've tried to sit in this area for two decades. Now i'm astonished by how people have become totally desensitized to what obesity actually looks like. I hate to say it but our screens are saturated with people who preached the virtues of public health. But it will overweight if not obese in this. I include the pm the health secretary and health secretary. He's not obese and leader of the opposition. Nor is he you see. This is where. I think. Jane people in your profession. Do yourself a disservice because no one can possibly think the either kissed starmer or matt. Hancock are overweight. They are not up. And i think that by the sort of measures that be using they possibly are as you as our but. That's ridiculous because i'm supposed to be thirteen stone to for my height. If i was thirteen stone to would look like nigel lawson and be skeletal. And i don't want to look like nigel lawson all skeletal so i i'm a little overweight. I don't i'm not clinically obese. My bmi is now not far off where it should be but to to to say that somebody who looks like matt. Hancock historic are overweight. Just ridiculous anyway. She finishes is our distorted view of what constitutes being overweight. Are lily livered dotted tools debate in the perfect. Lord will design not to offend people. Ruining the chances of genuinely fixing britain's obesity crisis so for the dull questioned by don't hear anyone talking about this. Well people do talk about it but i think the ability industry is becoming industry now. is partly to blame because most people are used can use common sense. And you don't have to eat a diet where you don't anything sweet or anything. That isn't necessarily good for you. Most people could adopt the maximum. Well a little bit of what you like. Does your home now. Surely the point that she's making is that we are deluding ourselves. If we think that we are not overweight and that therefore we are difficult though. It might be to hear the actually. We should be losing weight if we really wanted to be properly healthy and yet we don't talk about it because we like to point a finger and say that person over there is overweight. But we don't like to think that we are well. I think she makes a very valid point. And i'm pretty sure she's right that our excess deaths are partly down to the fact that too many people are overweight. It stands to reason if you if you are clinically obese. You are more likely to die of anything whether it's caveat or anything else than than than if you weren't so it's kinda stating the bleeding obvious. Of course it is sometimes. Well no actually. It's it's not difficult to talk about this sensibly but it's possible to talk about it in an extremely chris way like anthea turner did this week. Have you seen the controls around her she. She's turned into a sort of lockdown. Denier i'm afraid but one of the things she tweeted. This week was a cartoon of a very overweight person in a wheelchair wearing a mask. Criticizing a slim person who wasn't wearing a mask and on i think the point was You'll fat love so you shouldn't have a view on this. And she got a lot of kickback. Quite rightly she a lot kicked back on that because there is a quite narrow I'm not saying it's impossible to deal with it. But there's a quite narrow line between saying. Obesity is a contributory factor to suffering it. More seriously than if you weren't obese and to a position where you're sort of saying well it's your fault because you've got yourself fat and therefore you should do something about two and your pressure on nails all of that sort of fat shaming stuff. Which of course actually does nothing to help people who are overweight to become more healthy anyway and the other thing is that not everyone. He's overweight doesn't like being overweight. A lot of people are very comfortable in their overweightness. I never have. I would much prefer to have the body beautiful. But i think that ship out a long time ago so but there are lots of people who also an as she walked down the street. I'm astonished always how many very thin men are getting out with quite fat women an and the other way around as well and some people just prefer the sort of more curvy figure. This isn't just about look. Slow that i it feeds into it. Doesn't that the. I think i think sarah is. We still don't sarah jane at this point. No so i think this this person's point is it's not just about your looks. It's about your health and it's all very well for me to say. Oh look i'm a bit curvy that all flesh or me cetera et cetera. But if. I don't also understand that. I am causing myself. Health problems by being overweight. That's where the problem emerges them. I think nextway will get paged. Three boys views on this on. Whether or not. I'm overweight on this whether he likes a few curves in his woman richards in jackie following on from your viral whatsapp success. I was thinking. Why don't use the concept to accelerate your marketing. Why not choose four of your funniest for the many jokes and use a twitter poll so that people can choose their favourite. Then send a clip. To all of your. What's up contacts with. a company. Instructions for them to share included in the clip would be a short for the many advert inviting say overseas recipients or celebrities or anyone else to and register receipt like the proverbial ship in a bottle. It'd be interesting to see how far and why the good ship in jackie can sail idea given healthy. The last one without us doing anything about it. But that's the lesson we don't have to do anything other people do the hard work and we just sit back and accept to leave success but we don't know whether or not that joke has led us to having listeners. On what do we will. I will have to find that out. Because i can awesome for the download figures for the last couple of podcasts but yeah But if people do want to clip it. There's there's an app which somebody told me about this app where you can. You can clip podcasts. So ba- kepler say that. It's called that part. I haven't actually tried to use it yet but apparently you can just screen do a screen screenshot and you clip locker two minute clip and then send it to you. What's up people. So if there are any best the best thing to do if anybody does wish to do this is to go back to the best of twenty twenty. you think. It's called best of smart while we read out a lot of the non jokes and things and there wasn't good ones on that does indeed the native american house. Yes vanessa one. Which i still think is probably the best one that we did most vanessa from alabama Oh yes yes yes joke that was a storm or no stories a good in fact we let's encourage people to send in some more real life stories in fact i've got a couple of here. Let me find them all to your next one Nikki larkin did in. It is only a couple of weeks until the spring budget if you were chancellor. What budget changes would you announce which chanceless budget speeches. Did you most enjoy. What ching. Which did you struggle to stay awake in great jab video keep sparkling i think in the spring budget the chancellor will announce that he is not going to cut to the universal credit supplements I think he's not going to announce very many if any tax rises I think he might extend the stump judy holliday. Although i think he should And gordon brown always did a good budget speech because he was quite good at the whole lomb you know there. We're always some sort of rhetorical flourishes as well as some sort of pretty good announcements in a gordon brown budget speech. I always enjoyed those. I like the rhetorical flourishes. One i remember most was from nigel lawson speech. It must have been eighty eight or eighty nine. I think and right at the end he hadn't really announced anything particularly popular an editorial page for getting bit restless and right at the end of the budget speech. He said i'm afraid. In terms of the The standard rate of income tax. I cannot announce a rise beyond one penny in the and the whole place just erupted. It was just a great piece of showmanship I it's very difficult to be up to predict what he's going to do in this budget because we still really white being a position to plan properly because the timings will still of the recovery are still or when recovery can really get going are A bit difficult to predate. And i didn't talk about this one store. Maybe another podcast. I was doing this what i did. A podcast with a person for women. No i did a podcast. Cooled a horse. It called It wasn't and another thing. Can i just say or just. Can i make a point or something like that anyways to university students from university of sheffield one. Who's kind of laughed. And the other one who's tori right at its affectively copying us and they just they just get along and so i do that and i said my main fear about the recovery is the return of inflation. Because if you think about it from did we talk about this good morning. Britain was where we talked about this. Right we tighten on good morning britain. I just fear that if the bank of england or right and that that we're all going to spend a huge money in the second half the 'cause we've almost got lots of money that we haven't spent or some people have the it will all be too much at once The supplies won't be able to supply the goods and therefore prices will rise because that's what happens in economic normal economic times A high that doesn't happen but you never know if there's a supply constraint or if you already at full employment and of course we're going to be about seven and a half percent unemployment by the If we already said anybody ended his financial year. I think so. There is quite a lot of scope within the economy for an increase in demand. I'm not sure. I agree with Andrew halloween chief economist of the bank of england. You know not the. I'm in a position to disagree. But i'm not sure melissa rhetoric. Yeah right all this rhetoric let me put it that way about. The economy is like a coiled. Spring is particularly helpful at the moment. Because i'm not sure people feeling that they're like oil spring and they're just waiting to go out and spend i'm wasting to spend pounds pounds tron. Gt is that you decision now. Is that what you're getting. Not super expensive is near. Yeah that's the thing. I mean i can. You really see justify spending that amount of money on car is is just a thing of beauty. I genuinely think it is. And i would love to have one but then i'm thinking well if i do contract high thing maybe that can solve my conscience Anyway right now jordan edwards this is is this good evening not evening unclear. Not jackie when he was what could be ten fifty three says on the bottle. I would love to tell you how much i enjoyed the live show and how delighted i was at a question of i miss read. Thank you for great evening. I should say that. I've recently developed new for jackie's laugh even if sometimes it sounds as though she's throwing up is me throwing up. I wanted to write with a very peculiar request in november. I was fortunate enough to have nick. Ferrari read out the results of an award. One at the student radio boards. In fact that evening. I managed to win one gold award in three bronze awards for various things. Which so brilliant for me given the. I just finished my final year in student radio though i know that currently in is visiting label studios rarely ever at. I was hoping that i might ask whether once this caveat stuff is i might be able to come and do some work experience with in global studios. I was given a tour of the last few days in two thousand and nineteen was absolutely in all the whole time i talk. Radio would love to be able to get some experience of what it's like to work it work it day. Today bar blah blah. I know that email awful. It's an unorthodox way to ask but thought it was worth a shock a shot. Well biden. i. We don't really do work experience in that way. I'll be very happy to have a chat with you and maybe can come in. Shut over program but you didn't actually leave your email address the email you sent us to the one you have. There isn't returning melanie. So if you want to email me at my Normally marriages in end. L. dot com. And we'll see if we can solve something out even if is a bit later in the year because obviously the moment. We can't do the thing you'll kind. I'm kind by the way one of the things we get another thing on my show. We had a cracking week on my show this week. Even if i say so myself we did an hour on the indian farmers protests. Can you believe and it was amazing. And then on thursday night. We did two hours on apprentice ships and that is a subject that really gets the phone lines going and we had some lovely cool some people he would just done an apprenticeship or in the middle of one in the whole two hours and we must have had i well three figures some of cools of the owner. I couldn't see a single one of them saying my apprenticeship was share now is exploited and they were all singing the virtues of apprenticeships. So i thought well that is so good and towards the end we had a guy could dominicana who was so passionate he wants get a apprenticeship in the shoemaking industry. Did you just on a blue glass including my glasses. We'll stop blowing. And he was just he just thought if he came for job interview and showed passionate that you would automatically give him. The job wouldn't matter whether they had any qualifications whatsoever just on the basis of his passion and he was knocking his head against a brick wall. And so i've tried to give him a bit of advice on where to go. And i've got in touch with the shoe company that i buy shoes from to see if they would help him An apprenticeship callers to digest then encyclopedia. That's the problem. So if there's anybody listening to this podcast who is a shoemaker. And would like to talk to dominate. They might be to offer him something. Do get in touch with me. Because i really i would just as kevin king would say i would absolutely love it if i could help him achieve his dream and i said look. You've got to keep going with this. Because he was ceo. Maybe i should just get university until everyone else does. No don't do that you've still got to persevere on this and he clearly had done a huge amount of work trying to contact various people but Anyway we'll see if he's see. I agree with you. If you've got something that is really your dream. And then i'm beverley turn ago in touch with me During the program she said oh. I know vegan shoemaker. Also she can help him a vegan shoemaker. Oh it's all thing. Now off god's sake i'll have the she smell better than the cheese and vegan and vegan handbags. It's very big early. Yeah this new audi. gt has vegan. Seats they go. You see. i'll be having napa level. Can i give a shoutout because you were always banging on about the other podcasts. You've done can i say that. Yesterday i took part in the west midlands young. Fabian podcast They were interviewing me about how to win back seat light rich which was lovely and then i did an interview with leeds student radio and guy called tom horn whose only in his first year and he was really good. That's nice. i'm not going to make any jokes goodwill don't then what you two are. We gonna finish now. What you're supposed to be going for a run in a minute next week. I have meetings off to leeds on thursday for steph spat lunch and then obviously i am with you on friday morning for good morning britain again which will be lovely just to my dire next week. I've got suzanne haywood. Eleven o'clock monday. To recall this podcast. And that's it until good morning person on friday diary. I know of apart from that. I've got completely free diary. Which is fabulous when you haven't on wednesday because we'll be doing the podcast to yeah. Yeah yeah good well. I think we've done a cracking podcast today. I think we've given enjoyment we've given length given satisfaction we've given our knowledge we've given our commentary we have given of ourselves. We've given modesty a now has spent get a lie down and have a fag. Goodbye thank you for listening to this. Global original podcast. Melby see if you enjoyed. It would love it if you could leave a rating and review on whichever podcast app. You're using it helps other people find us you see and if you like this podcast do try my other. Two weekly podcasts. The ian del book club where i interview toppled is about that new books and cross question. My weekly political panel debate show with top guests from the world of politics and the media. The book club. Podcast is ready for download every friday morning and cross question from ten pm every wednesday night. 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Queenslands Bid to Extend JobKeeper 29/01/21
"From the newsroom. At news dot com. I'm lexie kat right. And i'm ed buckler and this is the latest from the newsroom. It's friday the twenty ninth of january federal treasurer. Josh freudenberg has taken a swipe queensland primarily anastassia pal shy now polish has ramped up pressure on the federal government to extend its job capable wage subsidy beyond march twenty eight warning thousands of jobs and businesses across the tourism industry where risk of collapse but the push has been slammed by mr freudenberg. Hato sky news. The government had already funnel twenty seven point nine billion dollars of economic support to the state. We have delivered more than three times. What the queensland cup has committed to in terms of economic support for queenslanders. We'd woke them further announcements by the polish government and date from allstate governments to reach into their pockets and provide the support. That is necessary. As part of strays economic recovery. To use a comb esau oetzi is under fire after it was discovered that sex dole's resembling children as young as ten being sold online many listings allow purchases to select the skin hair colors of the dulls as well. As the hot white and genital sizing under australian law child-sex consider child six material and the importation carries a fine of up to five hundred fifty five thousand dollars and up to ten years imprisonment last year. The australian border force as one hundred ninety. One that had been sent to ozzy consumers already to some travel news now major cruise lonza pinning their hopes on the success of recent covid site voyages in asia to convince the federal government to allow them to sail again in australia motors. Cruise ships were banned from entering australian waters in meet march last year but cruise companies want that ban to end for the past few months royal carribean drain cruises have been cruising within singapore's waters without a recorded case of covid nineteen safety measures include operating fifty percent capacity with no casino buffets. All spas. and. I mean what's the point they do on that and we'll be back in a moment now and andrew fada has revealed that he lost eight kilograms in just four days during a brutal training camp. The colonel stop ballooned to one hundred thirty seven kilograms after indulging over the christmas break and knew he had to get back in shape for the two thousand twenty one. Say's i've never related more to an nra. Well hey set himself a four day. Training program made up largely boxing and cardio while wearing a plastic bag under his jumper he also adopted an old jews diet which saw him ignore aiding any solids until nighttime thanks now. Says he's very close to being in the best shape of his career goes on him and finally hollywood actress. Cicely tauzin has died. Aged naughty seeks just dies off to giving a moving tv interview about her final wishes ties news dot in the two thousand eleven smash hit. The help was interviewed by gayle king earlier this week. He's what she had to say when the time comes. What do you want us to remember about. You done my. That's it for this episode. A front user. We'll be back with another date over the weekend you'll headlines from news dot com.
Isabel Hardman's Sunday Interviews Roundup - 02/06/19
"Hello, and welcome to coffeehouse suspect. Tempters daily politics podcast. I'm Scott Hartman. And this is the Sunday roundup. The conservative leadership races becoming crowded field with thirteen candidates. Now setting their sights on the premiership, Andrew Mossberg, two of the hopefuls and began by asking Andrea lets him about her plans for leaving the EU. So you'll going for no deal. I'm going for a managed exit and I have a very clear. It's, it's a very significant difference. So a managed exit means three steps number one. We would introduce legislation before summer recess on sensible measures such as citizens rights, such as what you do about the future for Gibraltar for our sovereign bases on things like goods in circulating already those would be introduced before the summer, recess sensible measures parliament can get behind step. Two is to ramp up preparations for all of the eventualities including alternative arrangements for the northern border and very specifically regulatory agreements for sensitive sectors, like automotive and aerospace and customs agreements for agrifoods third. So okay, let's talk about. The first two steps as you say, there's going to be sight deals side, negotiates Michel Barnier has been absolutely clear if there is no deal there is no more discussion, and he said, again, each side will make its own unilateral contingency measures. But this does not mean mini deals in the case of no deal. He is ruling out any deal specifically, what you're proposing that, that's simply not the case in the sense that even if to use the common parlance, he would to leave with no deal they would be arrangements in place. And what I'm talking about is making an offer to the European Union for things that we've already agreed that were agreed negotiated in the withdrawal agreement that will enable us to leave with a managed exit and very importantly, my third step is to travel as a ministerial delegation to meet with the EU twenty-seven note was the commission, the outgoing commission, but with the EU heads of state to discuss with them the very sensible measures that the UK parliament can take to ensure that we have a managed exit at the end of Tober on your. Sure you'd be welcome give they said there is no more discussion, no more negotiation. Yes. Because at the end of the day European politicians face the ballot box as the UK politicians it is in all of our interests, first of all, to move on. They don't want us hanging around for the next couple of years, causing problems for them. They've got to get on with their projects and at the same time, we all want to see the smoothest exit possible, and they're a very sensible preagreed measures that we can now put into place before the end of tobe more than turned to the home secretary, Sacha, Japhet Jaffa was confident that as prime minister, he would be able to get the current withdrawal agreement three parliament by making one significant change. What I will do is focus on the one Brexit deal that has already got through parliament and that was the withdrawal agreement with a change to the backstop. It's the only thing that's got through would would renegotiate the buck. Stop. I would try to renegotiate the backstop and what I would do in doing that is that I would focus on ostlund I think Ireland. Is at the absolute key to this. You could sorta say a but wag the dog on this, and we need to make sure that we can do more to build that. Goodwill with Arlen to give them more confidence. I've thought long and hard about this in my department at the moment. I've got border force, we've done work for months, and what all turned arrangements that border could look like I won't. And if I may what's missing is that goodwill? And what I would do is, I would make a grand gesture grand offer to our land that we would cover all that cost. The upfront cost of running costs of a new digitize border. I think it can be done in a couple of years, but we would cover that costs. Now, you say that the border force things, this can be done of have you spoken to anyone in the border force, and you can, quote, come you give us any detail. Can you explain to us why they think this could be done? I've commissioned work from Buddha, Folsom member boy, the folks, they do just that they run borders. We advise other countries around the world. They're very good at it and will if I'm allowed to publish it. I will if I'm prime minister, I will publish. A lot more because I want to see more transparency in this debate. But what I am sure of is that a molten digitized borders, which is a completely open border with no infrastructure on the border, bizarre, believe passionately in that is necessary for our union and to protect our union, that I think it is there a light that we make a gesture to Arlen to do something differently. And also, if I may say, I think it is right? That we pay for it, because it's economically. I think it makes sense because it were unlock Brexit deal and morally right? Because we're committed to peace on the island of Ireland skies Neil Patterson spoke to the former universities minister, Sam gamma, who announced his candidacy this morning game outlined, his unique selling point. Well, what we've got to remember where we are as we face a very stock an unwelcome choice. It is either new deal or revoke virus. Second referendum possibly, but what Mustafa candidates are offering is to offer new deal and a fun onto resumes deal, which has been heavily defeated. Now when I say that we should have a referendum, I would have a referendum in which there is new deal on the ballot paper, that there is Theresa May's deal, and there is a remain option. Now, this would mean that everybody has their option on the ballot paper referendum doesn't necessarily mean that the result of the two thousand sixteen referendum is overturned the country could still see loudly again, her now that we knew the terms of departure, and what is negotiable that it still wants to leave the fact that we've got to confront is how do we move forward from this impasse? And the move. -ment carrying on and doing more of the same when the Matt's hasn't changed in the house of Commons when we've lost of prime minister is not exactly the best way to serve our country. How would you vote in that three option referendum that you would like to see Theresa May's deal, not leave with no deal or remain? How would you vote in that I would vote remain and I would vote, but my vote will be one out of the can you do. I do think that Bri Brexit, at least under one out of millions of it. So that's not the important thing in falls. Prime minister I wouldn't actively campaigned for that. I think it hasn't the problem with Theresa May always been that they're helping those who have been able to wave around the remain Kant at any point that she does something that they disagree with the remainder and therefore everything that she did from that point on was tainted with that. I think what we should remember is leave will remain we all care about our country. We all want the best for our country and the idea that the only people who can serve the country's best interests of this critical time in our history depends on which box detect and June twenty sixteen. I think is absurd. London. Massively car has criticized the decision to ward. President Trump full state visit to the UK, even though the visit coincides with the seventy fifth anniversary of the data endings earlier in the observer, con like Trump to twentieth century fascist. I think it's important for us to have good relations with. Are closer. I think it's important for allies to be here to commemorate, the seventieth anniversary of the day landings would have good relations with the USA, but I don't think we should be rolling out the red carpet. I don't think this should be a state. Visit and why do I say that I think close allies akin to a best friend? And thinking about best friend is, of course, you stand shoulder to shoulder with them at tons of diversity. But you've got to call them out when you think they're wrong. And there are so many things about president Donald Trump's policies that the antithesis of avenues in London, plus our values as a country. But you see no distinction between the between the office of the president and the occupant of that office. I mean, if there isn't a time to roll out the red carpet for the United States president, surely, the commemorations, that he is attending shouli. That is the occasion on which there are other closer is coming for the commemorations. Don't get an estate, visit a state banquet costume, billions of pounds and my point. Is this some of the things Trump is over the NAS two three years? Londoners finder Borhan and offensive rolling back the reproductive rights solve women separating children from their parents on the Mexican border introduced a ban on Muslim-majority countries. Standing up and defending white supremacist Neo Nazis to see mites in Charleville amplifying messages from racists, in this country walking away from the Paris climate accord, and I could go on and buy frustration with our prime minister issues say, boo to goose. It is hated Trump's visit will help pave the way for a trade deal with the US after the UK leaves the EU and you spoke to US ambassador. Woody Johnson about the implications of that deal does Britain have to accept American agricultural standards and American food standards in order to get that deal. No, no, no, no, you. But. I think there's going to have to be some deal where you, you give the British people at shows, and American products would come over and be allowed to come over. Agriculture is extremely important of the president and any president because agriculture and all fifty states, fifty senators people had you give the British people choice, if they like it, they can buy it, if they don't want it, they don't have to buy it because there is a big Joycy. I mean you yourself have said in the post that the EU broach prizes history and tradition over innovation and science and you've called it kind of museum form of farming and you slightly pooh-poohed British worries about chlorinated chicken and GMO foods and so on. Not pooh-poohing it. But even the EU has has taken a position on things like chlorinated chicken, and it said the American food supply is as safe as anything in Europe. So it's not really poo, but that was probably the most interesting public relations campaign to ban American products that I've seen. I mean if we could put that in reverse, we don't make a lot of money. So you said it's a public safety no-brainer. It's completely safe to completely save. And do you think British people have to accept that as part of the deal? No. I don't think they have to accept it. They once again can have a choice, whether they want to we have five million for its British people coming over the US every every year, and I've never heard a complaint. One complaint about anything to do with chicken, okay? So the other big area was, you know, he's the health cast of is a great deal of bonus and enthusiasm. Jesse in this country. People are worried that have big free trade with America means American pharmacy to on medical corporations. Getting a slice. The NHS. Why don't I don't think there'd be putting any any particular position regarding that and your national healthcare services, the pride of the country, you have highly Ali mostly in charge issue. I think it's all hell has to be poetry the deal. I think probably the, the, the entire economy would in a trade deal all things that are traded would be on the table, which includes health, I would think so. And finally, the newly elected Brexit party. Emmy P and Whitcomb has slammed her full apology for failing to deliver on its promises. But in terms of the, of the frustration that the Brexit party is very clearly tucked into, if, if you didn't create their anger noon suggesting that wouldn't you, at least accept that the Brexit party, perhaps, through a bit of petrol on the on the fire the language, the rhetoric that was used, you know, speakers light yourself and that very angry performance that you are putting on for for what have to say. We're pretty much building codes. I think you have to face the fact that the nations. Pretty angry. That is thought is why it's tons against the two main parties. It's angry with the fudge. Angry with the obfuscation. My former parties called math is now got twelve kind twelve thirteen thanks, gene. Leadership. I mean spammy. And so what we have we have. Okay, we have topped into a vein of anger and frustration. But it's a very clear rain. It's to get us out of the EU, and deliver, what the people there was seventeen point four million votes to leave the European a bit more than five million votes for the Brexit Ponti on high reckonings, but twelve million angry for straighted Brexit voters that can be bothered to go to the polling station. Well, I think a lot of people might have thought in small parties. Doesn't have a chance. Now they know differently. They know that the Brexit party really can deliver this. It's not just something we're saying that's for this week. I'm his Hoffman. And this podcast was produced by Matty, Taylor. Dave, forget subscribe to the coffee house shots per cost on the IT in store and we also have a special offer you can subscribe to the spectator for twelve weeks for just twelve pounds and you'll receive a free Amazon voucher with twenty pounds, just go to spectate it. Okay. Did she k- forward slash voucher? We will have an event. Up a Wednesday. The fifth of June phrase. 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The Evening Briefing: Thursday, February 4
"Hello i'm chris. Price with the briefing from the telegraph. It's thursday february the fourth and the bank of england's told banks to prepare for negative interest rates. Could we be paid to borrow money and charge to use our current accounts in the near future. If the bank of england precious head with negative interest rates. It could become reality today. The right set atop banks. They have six months to prepare for negative rights. That was as its monetary policy committee kept current interest rates at record low of not point one percent but governor andrew bailey tempered expectations of the policy coming into effect so if britain was to adopt negative interest rates. What would that mean for your mortgage savings and borrowing cash. He he can read how it'll affect your money but 'economics editor russell lynch reckons negative rates aren't going to happen and nor should you may remember boris johnson indicating at his downing street. Press conference this week. That matt hancock would be making an announcement on quarantine hotels while officials sites being postponed. Possibly until next week and the chief executive of best western hasn't held back in his assessment. Rob patterson who suffered the company's hotels for use in quarantine. He'd be out of a job if he handled the plans. Way and airlines airports border force officials. Also say there in the dark charles. High mass has the details. And if you're a regular tiktok user you may have seen little moons that popping up on your feet thanks to a viral craze. They've become the beasts thing in britain which is running because they are quite small. These british may japanese inspired treat being available for years. But all of a sudden they started trending judith. Woods has scouted the internet while why and has the taste verdict. Along with all of thatch. You can read how to claw back some valuable time. If you're working. Eleven hour days from home and tom harris on wysocki dominik needs to do better of his disaster at the dispatch box this week. That's it you're up-to-date danny will have your next briefing.
New tech to help trace pangolin poachers
"Pangolin the name pangolin sounds like medieval string instrument play by minstrel doesn't it but no the pangolin are sweet wheat creatures plundered by the millions to satisfy spurious needs rather liked nostra's horn and in the sancho we shall hear good news about trying to stop the traffic ethic lots of stunning stuff about ants planting trees and doing gardening jobs in woodland's and desert's only celebrate the twenty fifth anniversary of rivers early first to toronto in sydney and let's meet dr phoebe ma wildlife conservation officer and also a superstar of stem. You're in the philippines and you're looking at the penguin worc- look like describe it for me okay well. They're the only scaled mammal. I think they look like a baby dragon a little bit. There's a few different varieties as eight species. The african penguins much larger and ground willing and in the asian species is a boral so it leaves in trees threes and much smaller with a prehensile tail so i can climb onto the trees and yeah you're watching scales for protection yes so. I don't think they're very fast runners. Their method of protection from predators is the scales and if you look at them in the wild when they're trying to escape predators they'll just roll up into a perfect ball and cover their heads with their tails which she's fine and you are protected except when you have poachers because if you're wrong you're very easy to pick up and put in a sack. Aren't you yeah absolutely so. They're very easy to catch by these portraits and a lot of them. The techniques have been handed down generation after generation and they have dogs that can sniff out the pangolin they teach their children how to find the penguin in the jungle and when they get there they're so scared of being able to climb up the trees or get into the boroughs wherever the penguins are they're the most heavily trafficked mammal in the world so so they fetch such a large amount of money and they're traded in the hundreds of tonnes over million pangolin thought to be taken from the world every year so because they're an easy catch approach and because they fetch such a high price is such a high demand. That's why they're the most heavily traffic memel in the world. What do they do with them. The poachers i mean the people eventually buy them. They don't eat them too. There's a variety of things i do them so in asia they do actually eat them so there's one side which is just the traditional bushmeat side but mostly they're sought after for their scales which in some quarters is thought to have medicinal benefit but in fact there's been no scientific evidence to show that any medicinal benefit to eating the scales so they tend to grind run them down into a powder form so bushmeat and scales for powering for medicine now. I must confess that if i were to meet a poacher i think i'd be extremely cross walsh now. You may plenty of them. How did you respond well so i've met reformed coaches so this is different so one of the foundations we work with is the qatar foundation in palawan in the philippines pains and they offer this service where they'll provide income to exploit churches to help them find the penguin for research and i think it's really important want to be able to provide this additional income that rely on that old school way of them collecting them money so qatar does a great job at using the skills that these x. hunters have for a really advantageous purpose and more or less depending on the sales to there is people to be able to buy food because you really turbie poor on and i think that's the problem i as scientists. We're tackling this problem. The legal wildlife trade from our angle from the bottom but really to tackle a legal wildlife trade. It has to be sort of listrik approach all the way from the top and really need to get in there with the demand side of it and try and teach the next generation of people people that are going to buy these animals that is not cool and it is disgusting and they're basically eating fingernails eating out now so much the animals themselves themselves which you may have seen on television because there was a wonderful film all about them and their sweet faces and how they very cuddly but what you've done phoebe is to show who were in which you can identify the nature of the scales using what so we use xsara technology basically measures twenty four different elements inside at the scale and what we wanna do is one of the biggest issues when they find these pangolin is where has come from so when they find it smuggled airport or in someone's house they want to know where in the world that animals being taken from and this is the first way that we can forensically test that and it's based on what the animal's been eating and we've found by testing it on a kidneys that we can indifferent she ate origin with one hundred percent accuracy using this technique and because the quills of the kid not exactly the same material as the scales of the pangolin. We predict that it's going to be very peaceful in fighting illegal wildlife trade of pangolin as well imagine you're of the airport and your devices taken out and it gives ping what then happens having identified to find something ready to origins. What do they do so what we'd love to do and it's all in the development phase at the moment but we'd love to get the technology into these hand held devices and these handheld devices would be to either show the authorities at the border force or wherever it is either a red light green light or an ambulance based on these twenty four elements comments and from that that will then send a real time alert that will be able to give those authorities permission to say actually no. We need to stop this trade right now. We need to put whoever ever is responsible in lockdown for the moment conversely not just about prosecuting but it's also could be used as an accreditation tool so it could be used to be able to say okay. We're not so much pangolin because they can't be traded at all but other species it could be used as a tool to say these people are actually trading animals the right way and this will go to africa as well in other places. We have penguins yeah. Ideally we could put it through app across the world. This could be a global tool would really love to work within australia initially to get trialed at australian border force where working in asia in the philippines at the moment and we're having conversations with traffic over there about getting at road out in asia but ideally it would be amazing if we can roll it out globally going back finally to these creatures. Have you ever played with them. You had them around the house and being friendly with them and see what they do next. I think i'd be arrested if i have pangolin my house now so we don't have pangolin teranga and i have not been fortunate enough to play with them. We saw them in the wild at a distance. When we were in the jungle we did come across a mother with a baby penguin which was gorgeous but instead of trying to bring it out. We wanna disturbed as much as possible so the researchers in the philippines took their samples and then let the the penguins day where it was and you were with the scientists and other workers in philippine sue their incredible so the research is that i worked with over in palo on some some of them in the early twenties and they're so committed to what they do so i spent two to three nights at each field side they would spend up to four weeks. Thanks to sleeping in hammocks tied between trees. They have to cut down the path with a machete just to get into the area wake access the penguins and they will spend four hours every day. Hey sometimes you know in one hundred percent humidity in the pouring rain with machetes twentysomething kids just cutting backtracks before then we come through with our nice clean track and try try and find the pangolin and is committed to what they do and really inspirational people dr phoebe ma of the teranga institute of science and learning and her boss is simon director of teranga.
Isabel Hardman's Sunday Interviews Roundup - 03/02/19
"Welcome to coffeehouse shook spectators daily politics podcast. I'm his Hartman. And this is the Sunday round up this morning and Juma into the home secretary such Javid with the possibility of no deal Brexit on the horizon, the conversation soon, turn to the government security preparations. I want to ask you what you think security indications of that? Because I want to read you three experts. So John Soares the former head of mix as any form of Brexit makes us curated more difficult to manage the harder. The Brexit the greater the damage. Lord Ricketts who was national security adviser for the governor to really said no deal would be a really serious and immediate problem for British national security and finally Neil by the current head of counter terrorism policing at the met says no deal will be a very serious floor in our security arrangements. It will inevitably make the UK and Europe less safe than it is today. Are they wrong about that? Well, let me take a couple of things that. I will I'm planning for a deal. But it makes sense. Do you agree with the more Alonso your question? It makes sense that we plan for all contingencies, which of course, includes no deal panning. So we've been doing months and months of work on that. It is true. It is absolutely true. That if we have a no deal situation, they'll we set capabilities that we rely on for security with the U such as databases database, databases, arrest warrant, others, the that will change, of course, that will change and keeping that in behind. We have be working meeting us, and I'm not pretending for second through INTERPOL or who the council of Europe and extradition, you can have a like for like capability. So there will be a change in capability. We would be less safe there. I I would say this. I put it this way. We there will be a change in capability, but it's worth putting it all into perspective. Most of these capabilities were only relevant for us from twenty fifteen on woods. And I'm absolutely certain ho sexually this. My most important job is to do everything. I can't keep this country safe. I'm absolutely confident that we will continue to be one of the safest countries in the world, even a no deal scenario. Ma also asked Javid about alternative solutions to the Irish box arrangement Javid was more optimistic than some of his colleagues that in terms of turn arrangement. It can be done in my own department. I've got border force an IS border four months ago to advise me to look at what attorney for rain possible. And they've shown me quite clearly you can have no hot border on the island of our land. And you can use existing technology is perfectly possible. The only thing that's missing Zabid will on the labour faces a potential rebellion from MP's representing constituencies voted strongly to leave the EU. The shutter international trade secretary Sarah Gardner, tried to convince them to the line. So what do you say to those labor him? Who've gone and done talk to her about having money sent to their constituents is very poor parts of Britain often people like Joel Mannion Basset law and elsewhere, Dennis Skinner and so forth in return for voting for the conservative deal. I understand why their constituents are crying out from the lack of investment under the start of this. Of course, I do, but we had manifesto that manifesto was about a five hundred billion transformation fund. It was about regional banks. It was ensuring that those areas that have been left behind by this government actually had the investment that they need. Why would you as an MP as a labor MP who stood on that manifesto say you know, what if I can get a little bit of money extra into my constituency? I don't remind the rest of the country not getting what actually we promised in our manifesto, which was investment as a whole into those areas to revitalise all parts of our economy. My my vote is not for sale, right? You you agree with John? Mcdonnell shadow chancellor says this is transactional politics, shaming political system. The American system for many many years has been based on pork barrel. It's been based on if I can get something for my state, my constituency, then I'll do a deal, but they have the very different system. That's why in the UK we have put forward a manifesto that actually would deliver what is needed in Bassetlaw in those other areas. But actually, I think who are flex on the manifest of they stood on and the benefit that that would do for the whole of the country in getting investment through would have to say icon, just be selfish about this. I can't simply take care of my own immediate community. We have to take care of the whole country. And that's why we need the investment program that labor put forward safe age spoke to the actual international trade secretary, Liam Fox. About the effects of no deal folks sought to maintain some perspective and provide reassurance on the issue. Theresa May of saying she wants to get some changes to that withdrawal agreement. But if you look at what e you politicians and leaders saying it's something some chime without a all Donald tusk, oh says the withdrawal agreement not open for renegotiation. Our government says the same mccone says the deal is not negotiable. Young says the best only possible deal is the government to lead it. Well, are they really saying that they would rather not negotiate an end up in a new deal position? I think that's not a responsible approach to take. It would have an impact on the European economy on jobs and prosperity. And for those precious and for the and for the British, absolutely. And so it's an all out interest to get to that agreement for the EU to say, we're not going to even discuss it seems to me quite responsible. We're not ready, no daily, frankly. Well, we would be able to deal. With that scenario, but it wouldn't be our interest to go there. It seems to me we've got to guard against two things. One is irrational pessimism. That says everything will be catastrophe and irrational optimism, which has everything will be absolutely okay. The truth lines between the two if we left the European Union with new dealer would be disruption to our trade. They disruption to European tweet as well. It wouldn't be in our best interest to do that. Of course, it survivable. But would you want to be putting our economy into a position of unnecessary turmoil? Which is also joined by the shadow attorney general Shami Chakrabarti, which asked her about the political crisis in golfing Venezuela, which party leadership has been reluctant to condemn. What's your take on what's happening and how the international community? So here's the thing when I'm an expert in a particular region like South America, I go to my trusted sources for for the picture, and for me as a human rights campaign, my trusted, so. Sources have always been Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. And I would say this to your view is it's always a good place to start when you want to know, what might be happening in a country and last year's reporting on then as Wailer a pretty damning, and that's in terms of disappearances. That's in terms of crushing dissent. That's in terms of reports of torture of prisoners and political prisoners, and it's completely unacceptable. And I think it is incumbent or people at me as one of the left to cool out governments, and and states of the left because human rights have to be applied with an even now what Jeremy Corbyn of in tougher them. Do you think on in his statements juror? Well, I think that I think Jeremy is is a lifelong human rights defend, of course, sometimes it's difficult for him to cut through in in the media 'cause people say, well, your socialist, just like the Venezuelan talks about his public statements. Well, he he has said that we have to have the rule of law, and you have to have human rights. And clearly if you if you if you match that with the reporting of the situation in Venezuela. That's not happening. However, I do have to say this. It would be very helpful if United States and the UK conservative government would. Yes, of course, cool out Venezuela. But also look across the way at horn juris where you have a US backed government that is also crushing dissent. I think that this kind of human rights defense on the planet. Only works where all applying these standards where than with an even hand. And finally, the liberal Democrat leader servants cable has some cause for cheer after the observer reported the six labour MP's might be poised to jump ship. Have you been approached by pays from from other parties others have been? Reported for months that there is actually much bigger group. They ran pays not just six who are deeply unhappy with corbin's leadership and don't see. Oh, yes. Indeed consensus as well as it's not just labor talks. I think as of now that basically working with us to stop Brexit, try and get a people's vote. There is a very strong. Group of people working as a team to try and deliver that I think when they Brexit issue is resolved for one the other. I think they will reconsider that position in the labor party. I can't predict exactly what will happen. But I think there's a real chance of a significant group breaking away. And if that happens, we will work with them in some phone, and what does that mean does that mean that they will join the Liberal Democrats, or does it actually mean that they're Liberal Democrats will affectively be subsumed into another party? We're not subsuming ourselves into anything. But I don't know exactly what form this could take it probably depends on the events of the next few weeks around. Brexit could be a coalition not stunning against each other. It's not the kind of thing you're talking about all kinds of possibilities. But I think whether a common values we will operate together. It's very difficult because that's the new party under the first person. I think recognize that and it will be sensible. If we do have common values and common interests that we work together. That's all for this week. I'm hartman. And this podcast was produced by Matthew Taylor. Forget subscribe to the coffeehouse shorts podcast on the IT in store. 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NPR News: 10-23-2019 2PM ET
"This message comes from NPR sponsor xfinity some things are slow like a snail races other things are fast like xfinity X. by get fast speeds even when everyone is online working to make WIFI simple easy awesome more at xfinity dot com restrictions apply suit and get close to Hunter Johnson later worked for U._S. News and World Report and C._N._N. I'm Lakshmi Singh N._p._R. News in Washington it's chairman Democrat Adam Schiff has said there will be open hearings at some point from Washington this is NPR news members of the committees overseeing the impeachment inquiry they were denied access the effort which violated house rules proved disruptive Cooper's testimony of the impeachment investigation must be done in private so as to prevent witnesses from coordinating testimony to MAC NPR news Washington Democratic critics Oh park east of London we have an update from NPR's Frank Langfitt police arrested the truck driver a twenty five year old man from Northern Ireland on suspicion of murder after the bodies was delayed as a number of Republican lawmakers remained in that secure area where they are not authorized to be Democratic lawmakers have argued that the initial interview can members of Congress have disrupted proceedings of the house impeachment inquiry arguing that interviews should not be held behind closed doors the GOP lawmakers continue to control prisons were other Isis fighters are being held Michelle Kellerman NPR news the State Department elsewhere on Capitol Hill Today Republic are quick to remind lawmakers vocally railing against the closed door hearings that it was just a few years ago that a prominent Republicans set of private hearings that they quote Turkey and Russia which is allied with Syria Saad regime now have a stronger foothold on the swath of land along the Syrian border. NPR's Michele Keleman Act for years between Turkey a NATO ally and the Kurds and effective ally on the ground against Isis but with trump's order for American forces to leave always produce better results that was former Congressman Trey Goudy who helped lead the Benghazi investigation into Secretary Hillary Clinton the current House intelligence the British police say they have begun a murder investigation after thirty nine bodies were discovered inside a truck container at an industrial approximately two dozen lawmakers attempted to enter the rooms in the Capitol or Pentagon official Laura Cooper was scheduled to be interviewed since these lawmakers were not enter the secure area in the capital were witnesses or questioned declaring the democratic led process a sham here's NPR's Tim Mack led by Republican Congressman Matt Gates discovered in Graz a town along the River Thames police are working to identify the victims whom they said we're all adults except for one teenager authorities told Britain's Sky TV news incursion into Syria is a tragedy it was a long standing US government policy in two administrations to keep that from happening and we clearly we're not successful the US believes over one hundred isis fighters have escaped recently Jeffrey ads at the US is confident that Kurdish for edge of type air to one government for halting its incursion in northern Syria against the Kurds until about a week and a half ago the US had maintained a diplomatic balancing sample of trump's quote fly by the seat of his pants foreign policy us on void. Jim Jefferies says the US didn't want Turkey to fight the Kurds in Syria Lou Turkish and says the US envoy for Syria is facing tough questions on Capitol Hill about the president's decisions to Democrat who chairs the House Foreign Affairs Committee says this is an if the truck is from Bulgaria and entered the United Kingdom on Saturday at the Welsh town of Hollyhead a major port on the Irish Sea across from Dublin U K Home Secretary Pretty Patel needed shocked and saddened by this utterly tragic incident the UK remains an attractive destination for migrants earlier this week the UK border force picked up a group of thirteen men women and children trying to cross the English Channel in a small boat Frank Langfitt NPR news London. The Associated Press is reporting the Katherine Johnson trail-blazing reporter behind a series of high profile scoops has died it cites her niece insane the Johnson passed away this morning in Atlanta the age of ninety three Johnson was among them only few women
US tariffs on china, Hong Kong Protests, Brexit
"If it's tuesday it's amazing f._b._i. Newsday the show for amazon selling news news. Here's your host ni- cool visi welcome into amazon newsday. This is your host michel visi and you're listening to amazing f._d._a. The latest round of trump taxes otherwise known as the the u._s. and china tariffs is still continuing to escalate u._s. President donald trump has said that he would impose a fresh ten percent tariff on another three three hundred billion dollars. That's about two hundred and fifty pounds of chinese goods in a sharp esscalation of a trade war between the two countries it comes after the latest round onto bilateral talks shows little sign of breakthrough the new terrorist due to take effect on the first of september effectively tax all chinese imports to the u._s. The duty is likely talk it a wide range of goods from smartphones to clothing chinese foreign minister. One year criticized the u._s. Move saying adding tariffs is not a a constructive way to resolve economic and trade frictions. He said that on the sidelines of a meeting of southeast asian ministers in bangkok mr trump announced the tariff plan on twitter while taking aim at china for not honoring promises to buy more u._s. agricultural products at this week's negotiations in shanghai. He also attacked chinese. He's president gee jin painful failing to do more to stem cells of the synthetic opioid sentinel in later remarks as president told reporters is that the ten percent tariff was a short term measure and that tariffs could be lifted further in stages to more than twenty five percent. Somebody should have done this to china along time ago. He added on wall street. The dow jones share index closed down one percent the same day and asia markets were much lower on friday. Prices also fell sharply the u._s. chamber of commerce which represents more than three million u._s. Companies said the latest tariffs on china will inflict only greater pain on american businesses farmers workers and consumers consumers and undermine and otherwise strong u._s. economy. It urged the two sides to remove all tariffs. The latest rounds of duties. Come amid amid mounting concern about how effective mr trump's strategy is proving to be on thursday. Mr trump's former economic advisor gary cohn said in a bbc interview that the tariff bottle was having a dramatic impact on the u._s. Manufacturing and capital investment the international money to fund fund has also warned that the u. s. china trade war is the biggest risk to the global economy. The police in hong kong have been fighting running battles with activists in a third consecutive day of protests retest after a call for general strike caused widespread disruption on monday protests blocked roads and paralyzed train services at peak times on the day of action across the city. More than two hundred flights were cancelled as the protest entered then ninth week hong kong's leader carrie. Lam has pledged to restore law and order rejecting calls for her resignation nation initially the demonstrations which began on the ninth of june focused on a controversial extradition law which would have allowed the transfer suspects to mainland china however the protests have now become a wide challenge to beijing's authority. Ms lamb warned that hong kong was on the verge of a very dangerous situation in her first meteo address in two weeks. Ms lamb said that the protesters actions had challenged principles of one country two systems the extra freedoms to hong kong when it returned from britain to chinese rule in nineteen ninety-seven she also accused activists of using the extradition bill as a cover for their real goals. She said we continue to allow these violent protesters to make the use of the extradition bill to conceal that alterior motives those alternate motives are going to to destroy hong kong. The chinese foreign ministry said no one should underestimate china's resolve to safeguard the stability of hong kong on monday. Police fired tear gas gas. Several locations has protesters rallied into the nights. Setting fires in besieging police stations in the north point district has a reputation for pro beijing. Thank sympathies. Men wielding long poles clashed with demonstrators before falling back more than eighty were arrested in addition to the four hundred twenty retained in police custody since the ninth of gene in that time police said they had used more than one thousand tear canisters tear gas canisters and one hundred sixty rubber bullets process leaders had called for a general strike while many people made it work in some areas protesters blocked trains leaving stations and scuffled with commuters several several lines of the mass transit railway suspended for a time and the cross harbour tunnel was also blocked. Uh michael grove kadam cabinet. Minister says that the e u seems to be refusing to negotiate with the u. K. over uh-huh new brexit deal mr goof who's responsible for no deal planning said he was deeply saddened that was in his words saying no we don't i don't want to talk. It comes off the e._u. Said u._k. Demands to remove the irish buck stop from theresa may's deal an acceptable ours p._m. Leo varadkar america has reiterated that the withdrawal deal included in the backstop cannot be a renegotiated. The european commission said it was willing to hold further talks should the u._k. Wish to clarify its position. Meanwhile a group of politicians has started a legal action aimed at preventing boris johnson from shutting down parliament to force threw a no deal brexit threes. May's deal has been rejected three times by m._p.'s and as things stand the u._k. Will leave the e._u. On the thirty the first of october whether it has agreed a new deal or not on monday e you negotiations told european diplomats there was currently no basis for meaningful discussions and talks back where they were three years ago. A senior diplomats repaid reportedly said a notable brexit appeared to be the u._k. Government's central scenario addressing these suggestions. Mr gore said at the moment is the e u that seems to be saying they're not interested. They're simply saying no. No we don't want to talk. I think that's wrong answered. It's not in europe's interests added. Mr gov monday's meeting discussion and last week between the e._u. And pm's european envoy david frost where he reiterated mister johnson stance that the backstop plan must be removed from mrs may's deal he also raised concerns about the u._k.'s divorce bill and the proposed role of the european court of justice the e. u.'s top court after brexit many many opponents of mrs maes deal site concerns over the backstop and insurance policy to prevent a heart border returning on the island of ireland which if implemented would see northern island staying aligned to some of the rules of the single market it would also involve a temporary single customs territory effectively keeping the whole of the u._k. In the e._u. Customs adams union these arrangements would apply unless and until both the e._u. and u._k. Agreed they were no longer necessary speaking on tuesday in belfast. Oh i mr vodka told reporters he did not accept the two. No deal brexit was unavoidable. Adding there were a number of ways in which it could be avoided. He said these options including ratifying. Mrs maes deal further extending the u._k.'s e._u. Membership all the u._k. Canceling brexit by revoking article fifty the b._b._c.'s brussels news reporter adam fleming said the e- grappling with how to deal with the prime minister embarrassed johnson who is demanding things. They were not prepared to give he said the e._u. Had not yet given up and that all eyes would be on the g. Seven summit in france at the end of august which many believe could be the moment of truth the point at which no deal brexit may become inevitable. Meanwhile mr johnson is meeting his first foreign leader since entry down in st a standing prime minister yuri rattus the country's foreign minister or rent solo said earlier that while the reality was that withdrawal agreement including the backstop had been jointly agreed by member states there was still a need for continued dialogue in the coming weeks to avoid a no deal brexit last week the u k government announced the next two point one billion pounds or funding to prepare you pay for no deal brexit doubling the amount of money it has set aside this year plans include more border force offices and upgrades to transport infrastructure at ports thoughts as well as more money to tackle cue's in kent caused by delays at the channel mix to go said that the government's preparations for no deal had been stepped up and the days of drift that we've had in the past have ended. He said the plan to take the k. out of the e._u. By the first october was a firm deadline and we will be ready to leave. Come what may pound sterling has dropped to its lowest level since the flash crash off to the e._u. Referendum the sterling effective exchange rate index published by the bank of england. This morning showed it had slipped below. The point reached during another bunch of brexit jitters in august two thousand seventeen. The effective exchange rate index shows how the pound is faring against a buck basket of currencies from the u._k.'s major trading partners including the dollar the euro and the yet the index is trade-weighted giving giving province prominence to foreign currencies according to how much the u._k. Uses them for international transactions. It is based at one hundred in two thousand and five reached a high of one hundred and six in two thousand seven and stood at eighty seven point nine on the day of the referendum the twenty third of june twenty sixteen. The latest is level reported by the bank. This morning is seventy four point five based on exchange rates at the closer pay yesterday which puts it under the lowest previous points of seventy four point five five on the twenty ninth of august twenty seventeen but it remains above the seventy three point nine low the index reached three months after the two thousand sixteen votes when the pound was engulfed in a moment of turmoil and fell six percent in just two minutes during overnight trading in the far east the blame was put on either mistaken fat finger trade trade or a selloff triggered by computer algorithms sensitive to concerns about a hard brexit. The pound hit a new low today gets the euro of one zero eight point seven cents despite the better than expected u._k. Services data reported earlier. We had an sorry have options at caxtons f._x. Says further further weaknesses are being priced into the u._k. Pound due to the political uncertainty as we approach the next deadline on the thirtieth of october the two scenarios the two way on the pound are no deal brexit and the chances of a general election both of which have previously driven the u._k.'s currency lower the value of the pound fell to a twenty three month low against the euro and near thirty one month low versus the dollar this morning as phase of a disorderly brexit continue to spook currency traders against it's the euro. The pound was down. No point six percent million-pound is worth one dollars nine cents. It was no point two percent against the dollar one pound could by just one dolla orla twenty one cents for in-depth helpful six seven and eight figure amazon an ecommerce sellers forget to check out our sister podcast hook cost the ten k. collective podcast either look at it in the usa podcast apps apple podcasts chiens android stoke okay google play stitcher spotify to name but a few all go to the website dedicated to that ten k. collective dot com where you will get marketing sourcing legal and tax advice amongst others from experts that we interview every week. Thanks for listening.
TRPR 205 UK and World News Review 10 August 2020.
"Hi My name is Andrew draft and welcome to the the report is episode two, hundred, five recorded on. Monday the tenth August. Twenty Twenty In this episode or today, we'll be looking well sort of generally the new starting with. somew- UK Sh- news and some corona virus issues but not really, and then moving onto general. Sort of world news. Sorry we. Friday morning I had the second half today programme ready but just around the time before needed to start my regular job, the PUPS, the REPUTA- reports to help people especially in the UK up to think about the news and current affairs and what the media is telling. US asking questions like is there another side to the events that we're seeing particularly asking? Are you paying plate is the mainstream media keeping this in keeping us in the dock or misleading us by omission, mission or commission show notes and background obstacles can be founded our website, the red pill dot report and follow the signs to. put cost, and then this one is. To fight that's T up. To five the read report to five and a trigger warnings needed day. If you're the sort of person who believes that a man can become a woman. Or vice versa. She's not the podcast few. The Bible says that which we speaking the truth in love. We're going to talk about these things because we care for people not because we hate them not because we want to ridicule them because we believe that truth is important. And men do not become women even if they feel that way. Anyway. Let's jump straight into. You can news. Not really particularly, UK can use but well, you news from the UK is becoming increasingly difficult help me find a way to title and. Divider procam up that is helpful but talks a complicated here we could be corona virus news could be UK. News could be world news. BBC says and I'm sure this comes from other places to. Corona virus moral duty to get all children back to school Boris Johnson. There's a moral duty to get all schools back into children back into schools in England next month Boris Johnson has said the prime minister is understood to have made clear that schools should be the law sector to shut down in future locked out spoke with us just the planning future lockdowns. But. When I hear this Brain to most people. Schools. Teach it almost in every lesson, they teach evolution as the foundation to who we are. We are what we are. Evil Lucien has no morality. We believe Lucien and the survival of the fittest doesn't allow space for immoral duty. Immoral Juicy get children. We have a pragmatic duty for the economy economic wellbeing of. The country for the economic well being of the. Old as they get older on now, the adults as they get older what we want the children have good jobs be able to look after successful you can have a pragmatic. That cannot be a moral duty if you teach evolution as the truth. So we have the Katsumi. Yeah of Boris Johnson same moral duty to get children into schools to be taught. There are no morals. Continuing on on the BBC. With regard to corona virus it says is the world winning the pandemic I haven't read far enough to find out. His notes into that there's lots of interesting shots and so on. Global Cases Approaching twenty million and there's a huge spiking cases on the graph they have. A tiny sliver, the bottom. James. Gallon Ganga I can't even pronounce his name G. A. G. H. E. R.. says. It took sixty seven days from the first reported case to reach the first under cases, eleven days to which the second hundred thousand cases in just four days to reach the third hundred thousand cases. Not, deaths cases. Well that could say. That the crows. But maybe very serious. A could say that we've become better at detecting it. We've got more tests. During the first sixty, seven days. Well on the first day did we have any tests corona virus and if we did were there. Lots of them how we test you are we testing the general public around those who you know those statistics sound horrific. We're all going to be about ten minutes at that rate well, slightly more. But. Is that really where we're at? World Life expectancy dot come. Live world death tolls? For this year. And these are not actually live world death tolls. It's a simulation. But we have. Something like seven, hundred, thirty, thousand co VID deaths. Alleged deaths. Because That covered related deaths remember covid related not covert caused deaths so Being shot while infected Kovic. You're still over death crashing bike. Well, it might have been the fever that made you crash your bike. So therefore. You tested postive Kovic you died of covid nineteen. Now I know those are some extreme cases. But still what we're finding is that it doesn't actually kill most people. You've got. The death rate in Scotland people are dying older than the average death age anyway. And people in England to tend to be dying older than the average fade in Scotland. We tend to live a little longer here in England. Due to less fried I. Guess Probably. But let's have a look here. Cardiovascular. Now. We got seven hundred thousand alleged. covid nineteen. Ten and a half million. From cardiovascular. But do we shut down the world's Economy. And say this is A. An epidemic we must to deal with cardiovascular problems. That we've we've just got to to shut down the world's economy to do with this now. Cancer is another not not This is all I did too not. Part of our added another. Four and a half million deaths from cancer. Respiratory problems says two and a half million. Even though I don't does that include probably doesn into the Kobe deaths I don't know. Digestive problems. Psychiatric problems there are more psyche were notch. There are there are more deaths from psychiatric problems. Presumably, there's mostly suicide than there are covid nineteen but do we shut down the world and say we must deal his pandemic of psychiatric caused deaths Do we shut down facebook because facebook tends to make people think that other people are having a better life because you don't share. Your Mundane things on facebook share your holiday initia- good trips out onto. You look at facebook another people having a better time than I. Am I'm in the office and they're on the beach or whatever? Do we shut down. Other things like instagram because of you know instagram influences who make their money by looking healthy and attractive and wearing fancy clothes and going to attractive places and sharing their photos. And that's just some of the non-communicable. It's Dying. Top Corona virus. AIDS one of the quarter million people died so far this year. Of AIDS and yet we. Never Thought of shutting down. The per promiscuous sex scene. That has been responsible for much of the spread of AIDS. I can barely. We talk about Maxwell believe this is true. But more than more hates one and a quarter million plus. One. Third million dollars diarrhea apparently. TB. Way More deaths than corona virus so far this year. Malaria while we do face malaria and fatty serious methods but malaria is. Above. No. Hang on. It's just below the corona virus death level. Traffic Accidents. Traffic Accidents. Is. Above. The Corona virus. Now we take traffic actions quite seriously we work hard to event traffic accidents we've made seatbelts. And crumple-zones compulsory and and so on. But we didn't shut the world down. Because of traffic accidents. So. Suicide got. Just just below. The Corona virus deaths come suicide. And yet we allow. Of the teaching of evolutionary. Dourness, sticky. Which says life is meaningless and that leads so many people to feel their life is pointless and purposeless. And we don't shut down the teaching of evolution. We famously had. Hawkins was it. No Dawkins. Similar similar. Dawkins allegedly say no los matter. While if no allows matters no wonder that we have such a high suicide rates so that we are just a few thoughts for you to try and put the corona. Virus situation in perspective. I spoke a little one that got Barclays Bank Noah's toby of a better a better bank than Barclays but there is now. A. A tell Barclays Bank to respect religious freedom petition. Barclays Bank has. Decided to withdraw sevices from core issues trust which is an organization that helps it doesn't go out trying to take hold of a Trans Gender People. Or homosexual lesbian people who are happy in their life star of foursome to change but people go to it saying I'm unhappy with. The feelings I have can you help me to deal with those feelings? And they do. And quite successfully in many ways. But Barclays, is this this is unacceptable we can withdraw. Services from you and there's a trust here sort of a petitioner obscene. Barclays Bank to respect. The freedoms that we in the religious freedoms, it says, but the freedoms that we have to. Four people who are suffering same sex action to go and ask for help if they want to. But? No, that's not allowed. Pro lgbt Barkley, say that's not. Acceptable. Well. I'll be signing. That's in the moment I'm not study yet because I want to keep the details up and sometimes when you signed up somewhere else put links to that in the show notes. But citizens go dot org. Or just Google Expectations Barclays Bank to respect religious freedom will get you to the right place to. So. In. That sort of lgbt mindless have a look at three stories from the Christian Institute. PSYCHOTHERAPISTS. Fair helping gender. Confused. Children over conversion therapy accusations. So here we are Barclays. Bank is saying we will withdraw services we will make your life very hard. If, you help people who want to change sex to think. Clearly Won't actually they took about people. That's gay and lesbian isn't appeal won't change I think it may be cautious transgender to. Buckley's magazine. We're GONNA make you like hard if you're not pro LGBT. And he was saying. PSYCHOTHERAPISTS afraid to challenge. GENDER CONFUSED CHILDREN OVER THERE OVER FEARS OF BEING Accused of. Conversion therapy psychotherapy afraid to challenge children who say they want to change sex. In case they are accused of practising so-called conversion therapy it is being reported. The Daily Telegraph revealed that many psychotherapists feel unable to question. Chil- child parents about. Child patient sorry about the sources of their gender confusion. In case, they are accused of breaking the code of ethics by the NIH S. in two thousand and seventeen the NHL issued a memorandum including gender identity within the definition of conversion therapy which psychotherapists say has created unintended consequences. And so we have. Medical. Practitioners who feel there's a need to question. The underlying decisions of children. To Change Genita- massively massively changed their life they go onto. Hormone therapies, it can lead to sterility and all manner of problems in the future. But. You're not allowed to question it not allowed to. Marcus. Evans, who resigned last year as governor of the trust overseeing England's only gender identity clinic for children. Explained that many other concerned. parents. Have counted him over the past year saying that the services are pushing their children down a particular path and that you will not allow. by the. The governments and the definition of gender identity in. Conversion not. allowed. To say hang on a minute just before you go down this path Lewis consider some other options. Researchers admit. Trans affirming study was wrong researches, and this is the next story from the Christian. Institute researches WHO CLAIM Trans Gender people who undergo surgery to I'm brackets change sex and they haven't changed six taller just. A mutilated their same sex body. have. Not same experts. Here man. We have sex change operation you still a man, but you mutilated you mail buddy. Have Better. Mental. Health. Outcomes have omitted their widely sheds study was wrong. Last. Yes we researchers. Dr Richard. Bryan Storm. GonNa be brainstorm. And John. Paint skin. Claimed that people who have surgery to try and change sex are less likely to need mental health treatment. Then those who don't, they also said that CIA likelihood of being treated for mood anxiety disorders richest time. The time meet outlets such as NBC and NBC News and ABC News reported this fact but researchers have now said the research was flawed and that key findings were wrong. Following, a public, the publication of the study the study was scrutinized by other academics. One pointed out there. Major conclusion was based on the outcome of just three people despite having collected data from more than two hundred fifty. Two and a half thousand gender used people in Sweden. Noah. Advantage of surgery in relation to subsequent mental health treatment all a reduction in hospitals hospitalizations. Following suicide attempts is what it should actually have said. One of them said that conclusions were were too strong. They went wrong. Too Strong. The author of when Harry came Saturday said rather than attempting to impossible reassigning the body to line up with a misguided thoughts and feelings we should at least we should at least attempt what is possible helping people align their thoughts and feelings with the reality including the reality of their. Body. CONTINUING ON LEGAL ACTION THREATENED AFTER SCOTTISH GOVERNMENT REDEFINES WOMAN Yes the Scottish government at again, the Scottish government has been threatened with legal action over. Legislation which. Critically says. Critic critics say redefines the definition of women. Women's rights group for women. Scotland criticized the government for including men who identify as female in the Law designed to address the number of women in public boards. Spokesman Drinking Katiba like move on. Spokesman Marian. called. said it beggars belief Scottish government has introduced new legislation that contravenes the very essence of what a woman is in law. This is just just the introduction of S-o-f-i densification of sex by the back. Door. And what we really have here is a continuing story. Of. newspeak that enables you not even be able to talk about. Truth. If a man who says he's a woman. A man with a beard and a penis says, he's a woman and you can't actually described as a man because legally he's a woman. You know. What can you even say? `No if. Women now get testicular cancer. Biology is gone. Insane. It's it's just well. BEKKER's belief. Unless they I'll include some in formation. including the show notes video from Nigel farage who's investigating the English. Crosses. Being entertained it. Spilled stadium for a day out that many football having Brits would love to go but they can't because whether it's impossible to get To do what these asylum-seekers? Doing now. I have mixed feelings about asylum seekers here and I haven't got it here. I'm going to Insurance Bernardi did a very good article where they to sort of followed in Nitra Farraj footsteps went round numbers of very. Nice hotels. Were closed to the public. But full. Of illegal asylum seekers. One or two of the stories of the asylum seekers that they to speak to. Compelling Would you want to bring your child up in the war-torn zone? Etc.. But we can't take. All. The people who want to leave war-torn zones in. England. A. Have, gone through safe countries like France and Germany on their way here Franz is much bigger country. Per. Capita, as it were so more land than we have here we are in overcrowded nation in general terms compared with the world. And yet they want to come here. Why will they said farms office nothing? But look here they. Were saying look. At the name. Of the Mayor of London City can they have opportunity here? They can become mad. Who Mr Whittington tail and Whittington Lord Mayor of London. Well they're coming from Afghanistan other places to become Lord Mayor of London. We have real problems we have. The French authorities? Sailing big warships were not a big worship small small military craft next to. dingoes of asylum-seekers. Head out into the channel keeping them safe until they are met by UK border force and the dingy is then transferred to the care of UK border force and the people are brought into England by effectively free ferry. Government organized ferry for illegal migrants now. These, these a nice. God fearing people who are coming here to launch really maybe. But that start by breaking the law. And if you enter a country starting with the ray first thing, you do at break the law to get into that country chances are you will not be too worried about breaking the law to get a job breaking the law with regard to wages breaking the law with regard to other things. Because you're very start in your country, the very foundation of your morals ranch in the country. You break the law to do it. Now No laws good laws and probably not all Lucia be submitted to. But I'm concerned and I think we should be concerned. About the. Hundreds and thousands of immigrants who are coming into our country, bringing their culture with them and seeking to undermine. The rule of British law and British. Culture. Now British culture is not that important. It does have it with Christian religious freedom. which you don't have in the countries they've come from and you don't have under the religion they mostly people seek to bring with them. Islam Islam does not allow Christian religious freedom. It forbids it. It's it's an barnes to. Islam. But they want to come here for. Religious Freedom. Anyway let's move on. We'll go and have a look at a little bit of world news quickly Zip through some of that without really spending much time on it. I, don't think cutler. She's very new. I think we've spoken about it before, but here we got. National Review says, coamo announces this is. New. York Governor Co Announces Two Point Seven Billion Dollar Redo shortfall. And the quote is God forbid if the rich leave why the rich are leaving because Andrew Cuomo, you have made New York both a high tax high spend. and A. Left. Wing liberal nightmare of the place and the decent. People who work hard for a living. and. Not, really keen on living there anymore and are planning on leaving if they can. New York Daily News City may fire as many as twenty, two, thousand employees in order to make up for staggering revenue shortfall fall mad de Blasio says this is because. They have high spending plans to make it a specialist welfare state, but they haven't got the money to spend because the rich you're saying, hey, we don't want this. When I say the rich I don't mean just the. Filthy rich but you've got enough money to move you have just you know high income earners you. Same. I don't WanNa pay these last taxes but pay we don't feel that this is a state that wants us. It's socialist communist state. Let's go somewhere where more welcome. On a moving particularly to Florida should why Florida, movie out to where taxes allow where perhaps there's less of a socialist push. Komo begs wealthy New Yorkers to come back to save the city and pleads I'll buy you a drink as. As, he fights off cools to raise their taxes which he fears may scare them away even more. So we have, you know as Margaret. Thatcher famously said, the problem is socialism is eventually you went out of other people's money to spend. Now she's naturally quite tenacity Nettie actual quite but the the the the idea is there several quotes very similar to that. But strange things are going on New York to have. Kobe nineteen checkpoints at all major bridges tunnels. Effectively they're making the states surrounded by. By well. Almost communist checkpoints now. And basically saying to don't visit US state, you're not welcome. If we do come, you're going to have to go through a fourteen day quarantine period otherwise face I think it's been a ten thousand dollar fine. and well, they almost in sort of bunker mentality situation they're. Still, in America, trump campaign knocks on a million dollars a week Biden knocks on zero. Well. One has to ask this. Patriot network news we have to ask the question in a is it that they know they really can't. Win With Biden. The less they say about, Biden the more chances are people will vote for him if they got out into the doors and actually allow people to talk about Biden and his conditioning. So in his State of mind, his policies and his plans. Would vote for him and his policies are. Well. Beyond consideration. They. Make, Barrack Obama look like a Madrid. Not Campaigning. Because they know, they've got the election stitched up in some. Other methods through voter fraud or. Something of the like. Don't know but it's very, very interesting that the Biden appears to be almost doing nothing to win this election. And trump working hard at it, and yet we're told in the polls. That Biden is beating trump. So, as we wrap up today's program, let's go back to this live world death tolls and as I sit here and watch it, they checkup checkup haven the few Iraqi to each of these numbers. I'm. The truth is. The death rate is the same today as it was well. A thousand years ago. Two thousand years ago in Christ. The four thousand years ago when Abraham on the The death toll is the same today as it was. Well, just after they left the garden of Eden. Is. One hundred percent. Everybody dies now you may die of. Corona of sorry. Cardiovascular, which is the largest number here or you may die I didn't know. Of World War. One of the lower numbers here actually war. But he's one hundred percent. If you have taken a breath. In fact many you haven't taken Beth but actually not on here is is is abortion which would be island all of these numbers. Even having taken about if if you have. been conceived. If there is life in you. The one certainty is you will die. Unless you're still alive from the Lord returns. And? Transformed. In the twinkling of an eye to be with the Lord in eternity. Those who are alive who? Are Not in Christ will not only. Really. Face death as it were but they will face eternal death as well. Most people. On this Charter. If you. One hundred percent you're going to die. It's time to consider what will happen the other side. If. You. Do. Know yourself covered by the blood of Jesus Christ and it's time you got yourself right? Because The Bible says it is it is something for man wants to die and then to face the judgments at destined or something for Mount wants to die and then. The judgment what face the judgement You're going to die. You need to face the judgement. The judgement is you're guilty what whatever however you've lived we have all failed the moral of God. We've all fallen short of the Ten Commandments Let. Anything else that might be part of God's moral law. But. Jesus died that we don't have to. He died to deal with us in. He's the only man who ever lived who didn't break God's moral law and he's prepared to give his righteousness to you and your. dirtiness. On. Him. So that you. Can leave I want to know more about that Goto the. Red Pill report. Red Pill Dot report website and find finding God's way and it's four. Four little short studies. The. Cover looping may good Halloween became bad. We ended up with this life death toll report because of cardiovascular cancer respiratory aides to Berkey license don't that come from what became the answers. Two thousand years ago, can do with your city. Just
New UK quarantine laws: "silly tokenism - plus, how to get a pint in lockdown London
"Hallo it's David he and thank you again for listening to the leader. Kuna virus daily. Please do subscribe and shared us through your podcast provider. Give us a rating to. That'll help us a lot in growing the show now from the evening standard in London. This is the leader could own a virus daily. Hi David Moslem. The new holiday quarantine rules coming including one thousand pound fines. Will they walk three months late? A blanket quarantine announcement coming in June is competing ridiculous and it won't last very long associated editor. Julian Glover doesn't think so also providing the locals with Apple Spritz Negroni before Knowsley Q. As you went in any of the supermarket situation at the moment they were even Austin out of bit of news. Some lives on tax -fensive Pine this Bank Holiday. Well you can sort of digital executive editor AMITA has she shown places to get a socially responsible. Drink from a real pub taken from the evening. Standard's editorial column. This is the leader Kuna virus daily for the whole thing. Pick up the newspaper or had to stand it couldn't you UK Slash Coleman in a moment quantity laws and why the Evening Standard says? We need a better plan. The Hell Secretary Matt hancocks written exclusively in the evening standard about how he wants to get London and the country moving again as quickly and safely as we can. He's an three hundred million. Pounds is going to local authorities to expand track and trace work and warned from June first even though showing no symptoms of Luna virus must do their bit by self isolating. If they're told they've come in contact with someone who has the infection newspaper understands the government's looking at potential fines and spot checks at home to make sure people are complying elsewhere. Fines of up to one thousand pounds will be forced on people who leave the country to go on holiday and don't quarantine for fourteen days but there are lots of exceptions. And it's come quite late into the lockdown or call them says the plans on work just as infection rates. Start to fall. In many parts of the world. The government is finally announcing plans to bring in compulsory quarantine either writing travelers a dangerous in which case we should have been protecting ourselves from them since early. March or they are not in which case this policy is shown for what it actually is a bit of silly tokenism designed to make ministers look tough. The plan has been shop for the holes before to even started. Lorry-drivers will be exempt which you can understand but twi fruit pickers and perhaps racing car drivers to nor is their plan to enforce the rules. The police say they won't. This isn't going to work so we need a better plan. The government could start by agreeing restriction free routes to those European countries that have book corona virus under control if they are prepared to take passengers from Britain. That way we could go on holiday this summer. Save Airlines from bankruptcy and stay safe associated. Julian Glover joins me now Jillian. We've been in lockdown for a while. Now why haven't we also had quarantine rules in fact until early March march thirteen? There were rules that said if you come from a highly infected location you ought to self isolate not just want around you. Remember right at the beginning of all of this. We used to see scenes of British travelers from abroad flying into rif basis and being driven on coaches to special quarantine centers. Where had to eat terrible food for two weeks before they were released into the streets? Then we'll give up on that and at the moment. If you fly into Heathrow Gatwick find a plane to take you in you. Go through immigration. You're told maybe where a mosque not made to told probably don't use public transport but you don't May to and you just wonder off into the country. That's going to go for a couple of weeks we're about to get quarantine we are by the evening standard calling it. A silly tokenism version of quarantine. What's wrong with it? Well a lot of people are saying and they're right that it's first of all too late we should have done it sooner. People coming in are often coming in now from countries that have less corona virus as they're not a threat we are so it's too late that thick of it. The governments finally caught up with where it should have been a couple of months ago and second according to rules for everyone just going to work if more people arriving airlines increased the number of flights a little bit with still getting thousand people a day so through Heathrow for instance trying to make them more quarantine home without any structure as to how this is to do it without any way of checking. They're following the rules. The police say they won't crested Dick. The Metropolitan Police Commissioner says it's not her job to go round. Checking people are staying at home. There was talk inside. Government of Border Force doing the organization at check passports and immigration can barely do that accurately will check how many people are in the country. Let alone drive around. If people have locked down as the rule say they should Michael. O'leary who runs Ryan as the rules would be absurd newbies. Good to follow them. That's probably true so that we probably ought to be finding out who's actually a threat because they've come from a country that has a high risk of infection at the moment. Maybe someone who flies in from Rio de Janeiro in Brazil where infection rates going up in the government's really trying not to control it very much. They ought to be asked to quarantine we'll to focus on them to use things like the APP if that starts happening to to make sure they aren't going out breaking the rules and then other people who've come from places where the infection rate is low so Denmark so we're like Greece perhaps which wants holiday makers maybe Spain soon as it recovers. Italy is it opens for tourism. At least large parts of Italy should be able to come in without quarantine so we actually have an intelligent kind of quarantine not a blanket. Rule coming a blanket rule because it sounds tough. And it's easy to announce very hard to enforce. Yes this something like Ed Bridges which we've talked about on the PODCAST before confronted getting. What are called bridges these links to key countries that might allow tourists in without quarantine? Allow THEM BACK INTO. Britain without quarantine is actually quite difficult because it involves the government negotiating with other European countries. It's not very good at that. The moment it votes making choices always difficult. They'll be what Greece was okay. In Spain and one final thing it involves equipment omitting the coronavirus here has been worse than lots of other places. So it isn't the healthy Brinson is trying to quarantine it so from the world as the message seems to be it's the world which is increasingly healthy may want quarantine itself from Britain at least until we can get infections and deaths right down so it would be scary to say. We want to reach with Greece. And find the grease didn't want us. It would be embarrassing to try to do an airbridge with Mallaig or Alicante and find that they're welcoming in Germans but not Brits so perhaps for now it's easier for the government just to have according team for everybody to hide from the fact that maybe we wouldn't be able to travel very much until we kit infection rates right down and we're not doing that as fast as some of our European rivals are whatever the thinking behind it three months late a blanket quarantine announcement coming in June is completely ridiculous and it won't last very long. You can read Matt hancocks article in the Evening Standard or Standard Dakota UK next there. Is this this fear that we're doing things in in the right or wrong way and also about being judged had safely? Get A pint this bank holiday with your sheets. There are still limits. What you can do outside this bank holiday happen on. The current covid saying legislation in restrictions. Coming on the region is to provide safety for people West Midlands. Police have released video showing off as as breaking up a launch social gathering. But if there's just you in one friend and a lot of space you can get out at the sun and there are things to do evening. Standard's the without mirror eventually bought a real drink from a real ball. I stumbled across rostrum. That's being quite invented with the way that it's doing things at the moment. I'm Dave couldn't off the entrance that it's operating as the takeaway it's providing locals with apple's Fritz in crony before Knowsley Q. As you would in any of the supermarket situation of moments when you get to the front of that queue you in a position where you could older yourself anais drink. And it's absorbing CPAS SUNNY. It made for love the atmosphere. They were even bossing out a bit of music. The some lives on taxes. While if you wanted to to to solve this evening some garlic pizza Brad. So very excited. It was actually quite sweet to see the this community come together instead of Sharah moment and I think that the mole the rules change and in people lent become flexible with that. Businesses will be seeing that kind of stuff in the streets. Did it feel a bit elicit arriving? I'm sure you're you're you would never the pass. Underage sneaked into a bar. Any time in your life but did it kind of have that little frizzell of excitement about getting something that you're not supposed to have. Suddenly there is in front of you. I always extremely well behaved however I think you could sense. The people didn't quite know if this was allowed or not. So I think if I think it does Like I said it's will the rules. That was a moment when a police fad drove past. And it was full of police actually. So they're sort doing the rounds on everyone and they didn't think anyone was actually daring thing wrong because they just let everyone carry on about their business so yeah I think people will worry that it was listed actually wasn't and the police seem to think so so it's all goods a do wonder though there is a fairly serious point there about people kind of not really sure what they can and cannot do because this is so new to us and you know everyone's trying to follow the guidelines as much as they should link in truth those guidelines are quite good in some cases. And it's about using your common sense but your there is this fear that Doing things in the right or wrong way and also about being judged I think people in Nevis about in telling friends or family that they met up with his personal in whatever. It may be even. If it's it's under the strict new guidelines on which of course we still be sticking to but we'll adapting it's a big learning curve and the other thing is I'm someone that has That lives by myself. I've spent the last ten weeks or however long it's been by myself. I'm usually a berry break sociable person and and actually now going back in seeing not one person the day is kind of a new experience in itself you know. I think this is it. People will find know. Go get their heads around now. Actually going back out and doing stuff. There are a few places open in London around the the rest of the UK. Did you find that people were talking to you? Even though you've never met them did kind of have that kind of atmosphere out it. Yes it does and actually that as someone that is a big tool whilst Sean Anyone the thing that that's kind of quite charming is that people I find are more friendly and more caring and you know I'm going for a stroll myself I find that I'm interacting with people whilst keeping my distance much more so than I usually would underneath made people more open. I think it is this sense of as all being in something together this this walls. That is the upside. What's happened and it goes evening. Standard and online has lots of ideas and suggestions for people in the things that we can do. Whether the going I still deciding to stay in. Doesn't it it does so if you had to our website we this rolling guides? We've got London indoors. Which is one section? The cavs says she all the stuff that you would usually be able to go and do like h restaurant but in your own home and also as part of our lifestyles extra would go healthy home. So how you can kind of workouts and again every day where updating that and figuring out what new stuff we can do. But that's face to go. If you want inspiration will you be going out with his bank Of You had enough where you're going to venture back there and definitely venturing back out. I think the lab is nice. Isn't it I'm sitting here going to go with the bat stroll and me talk with a friend at a time? Yeah I'm getting back into it a show. You might find me outside. I knew queuing something. And that's the leader KUNA virus daily. You can keep up with all the latest covid nineteen developments with the evening standard. Live blog what you'll find a standard UK and we also have morning briefings available at seven am through your smart speaker just as the news in the evening standard. This podcast is back on Tuesday at four. Pm have a lovely. Socially Distanced Bank Holiday A.
Why take phones from refugees?
"This is an ABC podcast. Okay. We are going to replace something for second entsch. Okay. Great. Let's go. I, m taking you find well. Wait we didn't. Can I have my? Can I now know? Can I have I was like a text note with my now? Mike an email it will be belongs to be these no longer your phone please. Ma'am. GOING WITHOUT A is most people's idea of hell and that includes people in immigration detention in fact. That they have even stronger feelings than the rest of us. I'm Angelov WOP here and I'm Christine Gate and today on the signal. The Senate is about to decide whether God's will have the power to take mobile phones from the fifteen hundred people currently in immigration detention. So what's the case for changing the law and what will it mean if those changes go ahead? My Name Is Must Steph is amy tabloid I am. A refugee who arrived in Australia in two thousand. Thirteen. I am currently locked up on the third floor of. A hotel in Melbourne called mantra that are sixty five by the refugees here as well. Spent twenty three hours a day inside my room. So Moustapha is tobacco also known as MA's was transferred from Manus Island to Melbourne in twenty nineteen for medical treatment for chronic. As part of the now repealed medical evacuation laws or Medevac. For Short he says, he hasn't received any treatment yet, and for the last year has just been writing. What do you do with yourself? What you do at that time I try to write a column. I try to make music. I have written some songs and. I, recorded. On my fun last Sunday. Road he's north. And A. Wonderful friend Jim Junior from midnight. Ori Sunk. I'm looking. Got Us. Promptly we do. I want to tell you. Right. Now, I am close to the windy one I'm looking at the street sometimes see. Friends are walking. And we've that the irate that then. And I feel. that. I have never seen freedom. At, all in my life I, I sense a healy finger. Freedom is behind this. It's out of this. On. The way that they waived that. Gives me hope. is originally from the Kurdish region in. Iran. He says, he fled in two thousand thirteen because he felt his life was in danger Iran Turkey Syria and Iraq don't look at us as human. The these governments are just Massacring. People they have killed thousands of thousands of people I escaped from my home that I'm sleep because I was in danger. I. Run to. Indonesia and INISIA-. Arrived in Australia or from Jakarta trope. Christmas Island's. Most then spent six years on Madison from two thousand, thirteen to twenty, nine, nineteen he was granted refugee status in two thousand seventeen but didn't want to settling Pan Jay, which is the case for a lot of refugees rights. So now he's one of sixty five detainees being held in Melbourne's Maddrell, Hertel. They can have visitors, but then not allowed to leave and God's come and check on them multiple times a day. So the prospect of losing their phones is a deeply unpopular one. We don't have any chance to go outside. and. Several. Times, a day officers comes the inside their own like now. A really listening in right now in this position Yes Right, now there are two officers inside Myra. I get very anxious. Here, the use their phones like seven or eight, or maybe ten hours they deeply game. The talk with their families, the talk with their friends. Your years. Now, they are all talk about. Their phones if they take their phones. The. Who Crazy. And the point about being able to stay in contact with lawyers is an important one because many people in this position is still actively working on their legal cases. So if for example, you're trying to climb a temporary protection visa paperwork. There's deadlines so you need to be able to communicate easily these trying border forces told us that there are other means of communication available to people in immigration detention, things like landlines and internet facilities. But most says, it's not the same well I I personally cannot talk. If there are on cameras on. Around me And landline is very different from the time the way damn talking with my family when I talk redemption video call. I feel them. The helped me to stay as strong. And not to give up a part of. This resilience. Depends on might ability to be in touch with my friends on. With my phone recording my Lai songs and. You know. I, am in Lots of people in in this society I talk RT's. I talk musicians, this is a. Landline I. Think it is not possible. It's very difficult. To. So the legislation that is about to go before the Senate is called the Migration Amendment brackets prohibiting items in immigration detention facilities, brackets bill twenty twenty, but it has been dubbed the Mobile Ban Bill and the government is adamant it's not a blanket ban on mobile phones but what it would do is allow the immigration minister with the consent of the parliament to declare certain items prohibited things like drugs and weapons obviously on the list as a foreign seem Qods and Internet connected devices as examples of things that may be prohibited the acting immigration minister. Alain touch says the laws unnecessary because in the past, these trillion border falls has been powerless to confiscate. In cases where they've been used to commit a crime and instead they've had to rely on local and federal police. Yes. This one particular case that Allen touches posted to were a detainee in the kangaroo point facility in Brisbane was charged with possessing and distributing child exploitation material. What have does rise dive he's. The. Strain border for. commissioners have who actually operate these facilities at the moment. They can literally see a man using my ball find distributes child exploitation materials that have. To, be able to remove that neither side BAFTA, the placing and that can take these twenty four hours. Siamese see druggies. So we have actually had instances where people using the eyeball fines to herath a form of victims. from immigration detention centres and border force has no capacity to type that my golf fine off them with saying literally people we drag us in their hands. And not capacity deceased dies drugs. So, these these ridiculous. Still have access to a landline by the way those. The Computers. but it is reasonable. Suspicion these time Vodafone offices must be able to take action. Monte. But Regina Jeffries a lawyer and academic who works with US WS door center for International Refugee, law says as she sees it, there's no gap in the law here. It's important to remember though that ordinary criminal laws apply to people in detention including administrative immigration detention, and those laws already provide robust mechanisms for dealing with the harms the government purports to identify. In the Department of Home Affairs has actually admitted as much in a the bill would actually go far beyond impacting just people in that cohort coup don't have a criminal history who may be in short term immigration detention who may be detained because they haven't passed through what's called immigration clearance at an airport So there's really a wide range of people that this bill would impact. What it does essentially is it's basically a reaction to federal court decision that said that the Department of Home Affairs AB could not take away mobile phones could not have a blanket ban on mobile phones immigration detention. So the bill is actually meant to address that. Regina Jeffries is talking about a case from two thousand, eighteen trillion falls introduced a flat out ban on mobile phones into tension that was taken to the Federal Court, which deigned the role illegal and most doesn't think that buys all this current one was really about safety. They are trying to confiscate our phones because our voice because. They. Don't they don't want anyone here about our stories and they are attempting to bury US alive. Our phones are. To the world and it's like they are going to silence us. So the government and the Department of Homeland. Security and. I say that. This is about managing criminal activity within immigration detention centers, and there are cases of people in detention who have criminal records and. who have used their phones to commit crimes? Do you accept that? Do you accept that this is a problem in mant Straw? Seen any anything from any refugees here? I don't know about the details that what happened in other places are they gonNA? Confiscate the thousand cell. Phones for example just because one one percent he's doing something wrong. It's not correctly they take the phones from all the society because of the Coppola. Historically, it's been incredibly difficult to find out what goes on in immigration detention, but typically offshore detention centers. So pretty much any new story you've heard with refugee voices in it or any footage you've seen from inside the detention center would have been difficult verging on the impossible to obtain if detainees had not had. Their important, even just fulfill touring out basic facts to the public the case of the Tamil family from Blue Wheeler in Queensland Springs to mind in the dead of night the gods much in before the asylum-seeking family of four with force to leave a detention center in Melbourne and out of the country at eight o'clock. Family friend Angela Fredericks heard the news in Bill, Huila moments light at. Dozens of protesters flooded Melbourne airport to try and stop the plane families. Reprieve was as late as it gets. They were midday when a legal injunction grounded they play in Dowa right and then this the fact that Kurdish refuge abor is but Johnny broten entire award winning book on his fine which he smuggled out text by text of the prize for non fiction is no friend but the mountains Watching Fernandes. By. It is a victory against the system that has reduced us. To. Numbers. This is a beautiful moment. Let us all rejoice tonight. So the bill passed the House of Representatives earlier this month Labor and the Greens voted against it. It's now about to be voted on in the Senate and it looks like the deciding vote might belong to has senator Jacqui Lambie, who somewhat unconventionally Senate poll on her website asking her supporters house she should vote. The Paul, which is now closed. What we gave worth go to pay for on the timing we didn't get a Lotta game. Against is my whole finds. And always against you know I'll also. Mall Vision has been exceed I. That Tom you know hiking is my ball find. The date. the best by fall and. So the way things are looking currently Biz a chance this bill could die in Senate but until it draws most reckons the anxiety levels of detainees are going to stay pretty high. You know the the ironies that we are here for treatment. But every second of this time we get. We are very anxious. We I am very anxious when I see the officers because I don't. I don't want to judge them, but the rules are very strict and can you imagine what will happen if they take our phones? Can you put yourself in our shoes? Everyone is panicking if they take our phones they. Hemp lately. Our lives. That is for today. Thanks for listening. If you would like to get in touch how male is the signal at ABC dot net you an engine I on twitter we'll see you tomorrow. Bye. Bye. You've been listening to an ABC podcast discover more great. ABC podcasts, Live Radio, and exclusive on the ABC listen APP.
Isabel Hardman's Sunday Interviews Roundup - 26/01/20
"Hello and welcome to coffeehouse shots and spectators daily politics podcast. I'm Isabel Hartman. And this is the Sunday Roundup Neo pets into crave the rains from Sophie. Rich this morning and began by speaking to the Home Secretary Pretty Patel. The first item on the agenda was the outbreak of Corona virus in China which is safer claimed the lives of fifty six people partisan asked her about the risk to British citizens in simple terms. It is just a matter of time isn't into until we have a case of artists heat in the UK. Well that's why the government has taken all the precautions and the right measures offices across government. This is a cross government's foods we walk in with the World Health Organization Public Health England. My colleague Matt Hancock Chair Cobra on Friday because rightly we have concerns. You want to protect British the citizens we have concerns obviously in terms of the impact of this virus. And so it's right that we all work in government as I've said with the Department of Health Bruce a public health England England with our border force officers as well to ensure that we do to keep the public safe currently the advice for the from the government for those who are in China China in the affected areas is to to get to the CAN. How are they supposed to do that? Given all the transport hubs of closed. Well I think first of all we have to just be. He's very mindful of the fact that there have been flights those the the air has been closed down. And you just recently the happy flies to and from China and obviously we are working now public health finger tap their own hoppner Heathrow airport so this is all not just about the particular location but this virus has spread to other locations within China onto onto the region. So it's important that we ensure that we share data. We share information in terms of passengers and travelers. That something that we are doing. Obviously this is a fast movin situation. And that's taking place in government right now every day we watching the situation. We're working as I've said with the World Health Organization authorities in China to to Says how we can practically give assistance but also what other measures we will have to undertake in the working on that right now. The reason I asked the question home secretary is that it's being reported by alright. Both the sun and that the government is currently planning airlift sending at creating an air bridge between China and the UK to get Britain's home is he's not accurate. Well look we're looking at all options. I'm not GonNa comment specifically on newspaper stories but it's right that we look at all options and that's exactly what the government is doing right now. Patel also said the BREXIT would encourage British businesses to play a larger role in their communities. The fact of the matter is will leave the European Union which means free movement will end and that also means we will be able to control the level of unskilled migration that has come to the United Kingdom quite frankly that has come to the United Kingdom in many anyways that may have contributed in has contributed to the economic growth upon nation but also now puts the spotlight on the type of skills that we need to garlic market to be a successful economy going forward to continue our economic growth but also to make sure yes. We have the right skills but the British businesses as well grow grow and invest in the British public to they have be Reliance on low skills and quite frankly cheap labor from the and we want to rent anthem. I think it's about time that pisses started to invest in people across the whole United Kingdom that they joined with us our agenda to level up the skills the infrastructure infrastructure the economic growth across all regions promote growth across the whole of the United Kingdom. And that it's one of the key opportunities that we have when we leave the EU to the immigration System the point space system that we will be bringing yes supporting the brightest and the best blue-state Carjon British industry to do more to invest in capital in people in human capital and the skills that our country and our economy needs in the long run Pattison also interviewed Rory Stewart the former Conservative MP. Who's now running as an independent independent to be the next mayor of London? Partisan asked him how he planned to deal with rising crime in the capital. What is your solution to a problem that frankly successive mayors successive commissioners have failed to deal with? I think I would do very much. What I did is prisons minister so when I came in prison spent some violence of tripled in five years in prisons Christians and many people said it couldn't be done for difficult situation? I promise to resign unless I bought that violence down. We put the uniformed officers in the landings. We got the data behind in them. We reduced violence in prisons. Sixteen percent seven months. I take the same approach to policing in London I would triple the number of uniformed police in the neighborhoods. It's I put the data behind them to make sure that they were in the right place at the right time and I would put an absolute focus on the question of reducing violent street. Crime priorities primers. He's the central to policing. All of this sounds expensive. mystique CON is talking about an increase in council tax. I think it's worth eleven fifty six a month. More for for the average Londoner donor for you would say is going to have to be council tax rises. Yes Sadique is right to do that but my question is why is it. Only when I've announced my police plan and said I'm going to put extra police on the streets that he suddenly said that he has the money to do it Why didn't he do it last year? Why didn't he two years ago? Why didn't he do it three years ago? We need uniform uniform police on the streets we should triple number you in four places rates. Some of that will come from the Home Office. Some of that we can provide from that. But it's about getting frontline. All good policing begins gins with communities the BBC's Japan are feed the Unite Union's general secretary mcklusky mccloskey who publicly endorsed Rebecca Long Bailey to be Labour's next leader. You said that Jeremy Corbyn had provided a break with the past should the tape. Labor has changed forever. I do believe you really believe that. I believe believe kissed Obama Wins. I've always thought of. I'm the only one as a centrist. A truce interest in labor political terms. Was Roy Moore. Has He changed now. In my view you think this is cool opens legacy I think Labor has changed forever. We now have just well. We now have a Labor Party Who offers and alternates? And that's perfectly good for For the democracy of our country how many times did all of us hip people say. Hey politicians who are all the same. They're all the same. There's no difference between them walk. Coburn is effectively. Tunis created him on John McDonnell of created it an alternative to the Conservative Party. Now it's up to a new leader to try and persuade the electric embrace that is not the same. As Jeremy. Enough coast isn't neither is Rebecca. Long Balian neater is Lisa. The reality is they are different individuals but all of them are running on a platform of believing even got the radical direction of the Labor Party will not change killed himself has set will not going backwards so I think that is the nature check of the legacy of Jerem. Logan mccloskey also appeared on. Angie Maher's show Moore asked mccloskey about Anti Semitism in the Labor Party which he argued had. I've been weaponized against Jeremy Corbyn. We never handle the antisemitism issue correctly we should have done should have done things quicker And again you pay the consequences because you yourself seem to accuse people were talking about Anti Semitism. Before this of being anti Jeremy Corbyn fundamentally usage edge the mood music that was created by people trying to undermine Jeremy Corbyn was positive anti Semitism problem and responsive Jewish Labor movement. You said the truth underlying this is that they don't actually support Jeremy Corbyn so to a lot of people he sounded like you try to minimize the Anti Semitism program question of minimizing gum. Absolutely convinced that there were those individuals who opposed. Jeremy Co opens election right from the beginning Used the antisemitism issue which I think his quite despicable that they did this such an important subject they used to undermine pool. There's no doubt about that. The Jewish Labor movement of Cosi at Matt with the Jewish Labor Movements and offered continued dialogue with unite. We WanNa wake which we WANNA work with J. via the Jewish voice fillet on. It was very evident so I asked them the question. Would it be true to say that the majority of J. L. A. members would not want Jeremy Coburn is lead to the Labor Party and there were honest enough to say yes so the issue was not well handled. Hold a provided ammunition for Corbin's enemies. who used it? Lots of people were genuinely concerned. I have no problem with that but there were others who were disingenuous. And finally the former head of the Civil Service Law Robin Butler told more what he thought about the prime minister's close advisers dominic. Cummings inviting widows and misfits join him in Downing Street. Things are going to change quite a lot because when he Dominic Cummings put out that advert for weirdoes misfits of Mommy. Thirty five thousand Weirdos. This fits of no place. It's going to be very very different. I wonder if you were a young man. You'd get in council with Will Laura misfit. I worked with plenty of those misfits I must say I was in the civil service but I did actually comment on Dominic Cummings blog titled Title. Fight it to comment and I said good luck you do it all from number ten. This is a huge. Logan is that's all for this week. I'm is by Hardman. This podcast was produced by Matty Taylor. Don't forget to subscribe to the coffee. House shots podcast on the I ching store and we also have a special special offer. You can subscribe to the spectator for twelve weeks in print and online for just twelve pounds. And you'll receive a free twenty pound gift card to spend a thomason. Just go to spectator. 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Why the Immigration Minister has "god-like" powers
"This is an a._b._c. podcast. A tamil family who is living in billow. Eli in queensland is staring down imminent deportation and after the home affairs minister decided not to use his discretionary powers to intervene in the case. There's no indication at all. That's been given to this family including before they had children in that i would ever settled in this country. They're the same discretionary powers that have helped thousands of other people stay in australia so what's different this time. I'm angela uh-huh stephen stockwell down the signal immigration and heim affairs minister's palace to intervene amass even completely beyond review. So why do they exist and they all they used you know i. I can't actually remember the last time a refugee case made headlines like this year either but if the some reason the case of this family has regret people ever since they were taken into immigration detention lost much public support has just built and built and built a now just as they're about to to be deported. You've got the likes of opposition leader anthony albanese e and even alan jones making the case for them to stay put on my facebook page at the weekend. I'm not soft touch which i find the government's behavior and this and that of beyond disgraceful is this a sign painted up and immigration minister david coleman who personally intervened last shit stop the deportation of two european -opays and didn't stop that deportation yeah i mean it's a weird one. <hes> and the government has been really clear in saying look. This family has lost. It's case in the courts and rules are rules and they have to guard belfair not to be refugees then went to the federal magistrates court found not to be refugees in that jurisdiction they went to the federal court found not to be refugees there and then further delighted by cowing or seeking to go to the high court and the same result for them so nobody at all. It's looked at this case. Ace has determined that these people are owed protection but what you might not know is that the government has made literally thousands of exceptions to those same rules under these these broad and secretive discretionary powers which we had so many questions about this bill with a case does and settled so we called helen davidson awesome. She's the guardians immigration reporter and she's been following this family for months. This family is a family of four prayer. Goddess are to sri lankan tamil people who who arrived in australia separately by but in twenty twelve and twenty thousand sane <hes> they met here they got married and they have two a young daughters and for four years. I lived in small country queensland town of huila. I learned quickly that our hearts seen this town will open to welcome them then. They had their little children. I spoke to stakeholders grandma. They were f- friends that would both could on bridging bays while they went through the various assessments and then the appeals off to their asylum claims were rejected. Praise bridging visa was the last one to expire spy on march four last year. The family where technically vase is and sorry because of that reason <hes> border force with the psycho officers detain them into detention at melbourne. It's been a year and a half. Now and three of the full family members exhausted all avenues of appeal. The case went went to the high court. The high court upheld previous decisions which found that australia didn't see them protection as refugees so because of that the department then sought ought to deport them on last week on thursday evening late on thursday evening presented with a deportation notice and then from what i understand given very little time attack a few belongings together before they were putting separate events and taken to a waiting plane. I think most of the country is now saying the footage how distressed i went when that happened offense while they're in the an injunction ordered the claimed to land in darwin so that was supposed to be going to sri lanka that was going to be that deportation according junction made it lands in darwin and that's essentially why they're still he they've life now on christmas island which is still in australian territory and win now just sitting and waiting for court proceedings tonight's rate so there is this last minute legal scrambled to to keep them in the country. What's the latest on that front so what's going on. Now is related to the youngest daughter tanakahe <hes> she hasn't had her refuge claim assessed <hes> she was an infant when they were put in detention essentially and sorry claim hasn't been assessed and that is what <hes> that's essentially what the holdup. He's now on that deportation. They're currently legal arguments before the federal court in <hes> in victoria about with john has the right to have her case assessed. The ministers refused to lift the bow which is what it's called for the minnesota zoo to make an exception under the law to allow to apply for a visa. The court cases essentially. It's largely a delaying tactic. In the heart that the immigration minister david coleman will change his mind and decide to to consider tonic as case and perhaps <hes> allowed the tehran family to remind yet and that's basically where we're up to both the home affairs minister an immigration minister. David coleman have the power to say your they can stay. They've decided not to use that power to grant and this tunnel family vases painted has used those pows before a lot and not just on a pairs so we wanted to find out whether it's discretionary powers come from and how they work so we spoke to someone who's seen them in action up close from inside the immigration department reform deputy secretary department of immigration okay so when we say the immigration minister has discretionary power. What exactly do we mean by that. In nine thousand nine hundred thousand nine the parliament cofide immigration selection arrangements in other words they put into regulations. How each visa was defined defined. What the criteria were who is eligible who is not eligible very strictly defined prior to that the immigration officials had extraordinarily discretion not just a minister everyone had extolled immigration decision maker had extraordinarily discretion in terms of how they made decisions because because it wasn't in the legislation it was in administrative policy in one thousand nine hundred nine all put into regulations in the process subduing the at the government realized they would always be cases exceptional cases that didn't fit the structure of the visa categories as defined and the the power to deal with cases that just didn't fit but it was in the national interest to grant the visa and that led to the creation nation in one thousand nine hundred and of the range of ministerial discretion powers that exist at the moment so it was an acknowledgement that the rules on pefect and then if it can be because dealing with people's lives and you can define every human beings circumstances precisely in state of music <music> wipeout exist exactly. Do they work well. The short answer is moralists. However the minister wants them to it is a power that the minister stick size personally it is non reviewable that is no one can review the minister's decision to exercise the power or not exercise in the thoughts can't do that and it's non perishable. No one can make the minister use the power or not use the pail so the mystic and just sit there and say i choose to ignore using my pal forever automatic and use it in lots of circumstance. It's up to the individual minister and that's why it's frequently called the god power because it puts the minister virtually the position of god. Is there any affected that the minister is obliged to consider in the exercise of these powers or he could essentially upright on a whim if he chose they could you could just and i'm guessing they're they're on many or any ministers who've just gone non not going to use this. I'm never going to use that properly. The minister he closest to that was the first minister who introduced the power and that was robert ray one thousand nine hundred eighty nine where he said he was just getting sick of the number of parliamentarians tyrians in particular who are turning up to his door and saying give this personal visa gift that personal visa gift and that was usually on the basis of community support to the individuals and robert right under and said look. I'm i'm going to limit each. One of you m._p.'s to a number of as a bit like challenges in test cricket. You know you can only have two two challenges a year and once you've used challenges that's okay and he tried to enforce that but it didn't look they're awesome ministers since then the bane uncomfortable with the power of thought maybe that it was a little excessive. I mean chris evans. <hes> you know is another one. He was alive administer. Who said that he thought that that that it was much. I have formed the view that i have too much power. Am i think the act is unlike any other act obscene in terms uh-huh all the power given to the minister to make decisions about individual cases. I'm uncomfortable with that. <hes> not just because of concern about after playing god but also because of the lack of transparency and accountability for those decisions yes there are ministers who have used it in a more limited way their yeah ministers who've used it more frequently probably the minister who used it most frequently in my memory is philip brenick. People would be surprised at much used. It and we've now learned that mr data. He's he's actually a frequent user of the power. I must say i was very surprised. Because i was the impression he only used it to nannies which it turns out his not not the case not unless he brought in four thousand or nannies which is possible but it feels unlikely yeah i mean the man would can apply to any categories visit refugee a permanent residents you name it but we don't know what the breakdown is because it turns out. The government really just doesn't have to tell us. Do you think there's a case that they're either too broad or too. Secretive abides. They've got to be broad. <hes> the whole purpose of the existing is the tabora secretive. Yes i think the secretive issue here on i think it would be appropriate and there were recommendations made by parliamentary committees that require administered to be more transparent about it they use these cases <hes> and <hes> really has let that recommendation of the parliamentary committee in terms of regular reporting to the parliament on his use of the powers lapse <music> writes so there's this godlike power which is beyond reviewed seems necessary but it's just not being scrutinized at all even though it is being heavily used so we wanted to ask a bull knowing the system him the way he does why ministerial discretion hasn't been applied to this one family it lifts considering the three reasons that i think the ministers should would have intervened in the case firstly the level of community support and community support is a crucial element in ministerial intervention the vast majority of instances when the minister has intervened. They has been an element of community support in the case in this particular case. This probably be more community support the case as a member of the tamil community. We're all pod broken by how this family has been treated by our government so it takes that particular box very quickly secondly. It takes the box of national interest in that the government's immigration policy currently is very very much to encourage young migrants to settle in remote and regional australia. These people are already settled in remote regional strata. They were already giving australia. The national interest interest outcome the government is saying is is so there's another second tick the third topic i would have given the reason i would have given a encourage. The ministers used used ministerial intervention in this case and i would have encouraged the twelfth wedding months ago is because it looks clear even the level of community support for this case that it was going to be fought all the way down the line and fighting the case all the way down the line would have meant extraordinary cost and that's what's happened the cost of that. The government has incurred in the last eight months in this case. I suspect adds up to somewhere between a million and two million dollars. Why why would the government hold out in these. Why what is what is their rationale well. The rational as i understand it is that if they were to intervene and grant a visa in this case they would be under pressure to grant these use discretion in lots and lots and lots and lots of other cases the australian pointed out for example that there are very large numbers the people seeking asylum at the moment in australia in fact the strategy and underestimated the numbers grossly underestimated the numbers there in fact significantly bigger than the huge is numbers that these strategies talking about we have something in the order of one hundred thousand people seeking asylum on temporary protection visa or having filed asylum saalom currently in the country so it's one hundred thousand and the argument from the australian was what if the minister trained in this case he'd be under pressure to invent lots and lots some of these other cases and that's possible that that's just impossible to do that which is true which is true but look at it the other way around if allowed portent of those one hundred thousand cases go through the pain of this case and the cost of this case. What does that mean does. The hammerfest department have the money to go through all of those cases in this way obviously not okay so this theory goes is that the minister had intervened while back the government would have made the case go away and avoided this media storm but if they do it now everyone else facing deportation gene gets the message that if you push hard enough the minister will intervene yeah. I mean when you put it like that. I guess it's kind of obvious why they prefer to keep this stuff quiet. That's it for today's episode of the signal. If you want to email tell us with ideas or tips or feedback anything like that. The email is the signal at a._b._c. Dot net are you. We'll be back in your i yup. You've been listening to an a._b._c. Podcast discover more great a._b._c. Podcasts live radio and exclusives on the a._b._c. Listen up.
TRPR 186 News Review 28 June 2020.
"Hi, my name is Andrew Dropout and welcome to the read report. This is episode one hundred, eighty, six recorded on the twenty of May twenty twenty. This week, among other things will be looking at well. As. Does LGBT EDUCATION PACK FOR KIDS? The apparently promotes paedophilia. Promotes or will sex six six-year-olds? Franklin Graham attacked by Council of a biblical views on sexuality. You a cooled disgusting. You are a few believe in marriage. Though criminal threshold in Scots hate crime bell misrepresented by Minnesota. Labor's Long Bailey sacked for. Anti Semitism Semitic row. Even though it was the truth. Brussels is looking to increase EST EU contribution by forty two percent nearly off again. I'm black might have found a says. She is a trained Marxist you sort of about. Unfair, treatment of black people know it's a Marxist revolution that's using. misusing. Young black men. As well effectively, cannon, fodder and facebook content moderators says if someone is wearing a Maga hat I'm going to delete them for terrorism. And! A lot more than that involved in the article there red per reporters normally posted every weekend news review and apologies for not being here last weekend. I took the weekend off. A little tied. In enjoyed a restful nights, I've got lots to do now. Finding it difficult to put the red pill report out as shoot, get back to the introduction in a moment, just a little explainer here. Lost my job a couple of weeks ago. Yes I'm a victim of covid nineteen to the hotel that I worked as a night porter four has. Closed until. March next year at the earliest, so they have let their staff go now as I gather it, they actually could paid us. On Furlough for a bit longer, but they decided not to because well. I don't know why anyway we were praying Lord, what should we be doing because in another business and it's going reasonably well. Well what happens if the hotel restarts? Do I go and put the other businesses? It's a lawnmower repair and servicing business I put that on the half time again whatever you want to because he's growing. But equally could use an income so. Go to answer that question very clearly. We can't continue with the MOA with the hotel business. We have to continue with the business. Because well, there is no. Job Anymore and the person who foam up to sack me wasn't quite expecting me to say. Alleluia. Did so, but there you go. So I'm no longer working nights at a hotel. I no longer need to stay up half the night on Sunday nights. So not quite sure when I'm going to record the ripple report A. Do you still? With me this getting my time here, it's not been too bad today, but then I had an easy day-to-day. We normally have things that we're involved with on a Sunday including visiting family and friends and of course church. We had church this morning. But there you go. Not Quite sure we're recording it, but let's get back to the introduction as was. And for the time being anyway, the reaper report is normally recorded every weekend news review. The purpose of the report report is to help people especially in the UK and Europe to think about the news and current affairs. And what the media is telling us. Asking questions like there another side the events that we're seeing particularly asking the questions like. Are we being played just the mainstream media? Keeping us the documents leading us by Commissioner Pappas Oh by mistake. Showing some background articles can be found in our website. The Red Pill DOT report. That's the red pill. Three words put together no spacious, the red pill dot report, no need for a www or dot, co dot, UK or dot com just. Read Pill don't report present and will pop up. and. The show notes will be on the homepage. For the next week after that the end under the PODCAST TAB under here, we are the red pill. T OUR PR. Report one eight six. One hundred eighty six. On our homepage is well well, if you want to contribute to the costs, involved did not great custom vote in this podcast, but their costs. and. If the better funded we were, the more we could do to improve the studio excetera. I possibly give more time to it. Trigger. We speak the truth here. At least we try to speak the truth. We may make mistakes at times, but the Bible says speaking the truth in love now. What that means is you, don't you? Don't lie. Because the truth might be offensive. You don't you don't offensive on purpose, but sometimes you among speaks the truth it might offend. Scanned to offend. We, don't. Offend on purpose to annoy or upset people, but sometimes the truth is offensive and we're not going to fudge that. If. Someone is is in need of medical treatment perhaps. Well. I'm just GONNA. Tell them they're okay. What should I slow? You know sometimes you needs to say to them. Look. You got a serious problem in this tastes horrible, but you need to take it. And that sort of situation we're in sometimes. This unpleasant medicine needs to be taken, but we need to speak about it anyway. Now we've been starting recently with some covert news. We're not to do that what we say about Kobe. I think. I think on the whole. It's been over hyped. And I think on the whole. There was a big mistakes involving putting sick patients in old people's homes led to massive numbers of old people suffering from Kovic. I also think that there was a massive over inflation of numbers because they report people who died having tested positive Kovic. Not People who died as a result of Cova now I understand that sometimes it's not easy to tell the difference. But on the whole. I think many of the people who are down as having died. Having tested positive for covert. Well. They would have died of something else. Maybe they did die of something else, but they're just been used to inflate the numbers, but anyway. I've no real. Significant evidence. I'm. Looking into it as far as I'm concerned. Well let's move onto other things I think. There's a political game being played around this. The numbers are not significantly different I from. Other flu. Events that have happened. And but the response has been massively different till I think there's a political agenda behind that Roth and. Real scientific fact anyway. Let's get on now. Let's jump into some UK news. This week more than ever. I had difficulty divided the news in two different topics, but we've had a go just sort of. Give some shape and direction to the program. But this could have gone elsewhere. This first item could want gone under the slippery slope of sexual liberation, but it's. In some ways more. More broad the net. As. Thought were grosses. As Ter- LGBT. Education for kids promotes paedophilia says shocked parents. This is from. CHRISTY CHRISTIAN DOT Org. That's the Christian Institute. Christian DOT ORG DOT UK. As the has been heavily criticized for promoting an lgbt education back which parents say. Normalize Paedophilia. I think is worse than it actually, but we'll get to that later. The supermarkets George Department. Immelt customers with learning packs for primary and Secondary Age children created by pro lgbt group called diversity role models now diversity role models. Has Lots of. Eminent. Sort of backers and Supporters Behind it. But was hit by asking. What Has a supermarket got to do with being involved in children's sexual lives? Just what do they think that a food shop has to? Do we trying to shape? A nation sexuality. Why when I wanted to come by pint. Do I have I for to ask myself? which shop is going to be using my money most wisely, wish I if I give money to this grosses. Are they going to be trying to undermine our nation's moral standards? Are they going to be promoting a political or sexual ideology that I disagree with? Back, to the Article One exercise in the primary pack, toe children to watch a video, and to consider what would make a good slogan, suggesting love has no age limit. As an example. Love has no age. Limit, Now that might be okay if you took a love between the mother and her child, but if you're talking about romantic or sexual love, do we really believe that love has no age limit? Doing really believe that it would be okay for. I. Don't know a fifteen year old. Boy To be romantically involved with a two year old girl. You know surely. We don't believe that love has no age limit. I'm dishes. The bit that some people are suggesting normalizes paedophilia. But let's go on suggested reading material in the second repack also featured the could beyond Magenta. which includes explicit sexual references including a six year old boy, engaging in sexual activities with other children. One passage rates from six up I used to kiss other guys in my neighborhood. Make out with them. and. By the hit towards now if you have children in the room. And perform oral sex on them. I liked it. I used to love Orel. Now, this is from a book. That's available on Amazon show lots of other places. No Amazon takes moral stances on several books and says otherwise unsuitable, but. Six Year olds having sex with other children. INCLUDING ORAL SEX And I suspect that it was not six hundred sixty old, because on the whole six year old. Not really thinking about. Well. Putting it in their mouth A. Someone older is encouraging, someone older is bringing this about. Amazon sites has this book that is stonewall on a book, a groundbreaking work of lgbt literature, taking an honest look at the life, love and struggles of. Teens. Author and photographer Susan someone. Kill clean. K. Uk. L. I. N. Met, and interviewed six transgender or gender, neutral, young adults, and used her considerable skills to represent them thoughtfully and respectful, respectfully before during an after their personal acknowledgement of gender preference. Portrait of family photographs and candidate images Chris Pages. A augmenting the emotional and physical journey of each youth has taken. H, honest discussion disclosure with a joyful heartbreaking is completely different from the other because a family dynamics, living situations gender transition. These teams make in recognition of their true selves. Initiative. True, self, Is Six year old wanting to stick someone else's penis in their mouth. That Amazon's revere the going back to the article, a number of parents took to social media to express their disgust. At one one parent say suggesting love has no age. Limit is a very very bad idea. Mum's net US added. This book is hugely inappropriate and disgusting, trying to normalize overly sexual behavior to the reader so wrong and I would be absolutely shocked and disgusted. Find my children are pretty much any age reading these book, these those words and taking them on board. What on Earth is this? In response to the Backlash Lash Dr Raton. who were they? Go back up the top somewhere. Diversity role models in response diversity role models has removed the slogan from its material along with the LGBT inclusive reading list, but Clinton's some of them aerials had been viewed without the appropriate context. What is the appropriate context? For, asking children to read a book. About six year olds. Having oral sex, with other children. I, it leaves me. A little bit baffled as to would be the appropriate context. For that. As to supermarket. I don't know about you, but I stop shopping TESCO's a long time ago because they were promoting children's work. At the London Pride Parade. So. TESCO is a highly pro lgbt supermarket now as promoting oral sex two children. What is it with food stores and our children sex? In a similar vein. Franklin Graham attacked by council. Over Biblical views on sexuality? City Council. Nick Forbes said. The council would not tolerate the US evangelists beliefs. But they're not just the US evangelist beliefs that probably the beliefs of you and me to. Earlier this year, a series of conference venues including Newcastle's. Ultra arena. Cancelled bookings for Franklin Graham's Gospel event after caving in to pressure from lgbt activists, it doesn't actually sound. They needed much pressure for this Franklin. Graham was due to preach at eight venues across Britain this summer. But all cancer the events because of his biblical. Beliefs on marriage and sexuality. Because Gone, you cove. It was coming. It saved them a lot of money booking venues. Forbes Not Forbes magazine that's Forbes as in council Nick Forbes. Forbes comments came after Billy Graham. Evangelism Association commenced legal action against the council for breach of contract. Forbes said. The me legal move shows that Graham didn't get the message. What is the message will come through the moment claiming to speak for new costumes approximately three hundred thousand residents, Forbes set. We do not tolerate or accept his. Peddling of controversial repulsive us about lgbt about the LGBT community and his disgusting outdated comments on sexuality. Now if you have. Traditional. Thousands of year oh traditional. Biblical. God given views about marriage. If you even if you're even Lucien issue, believe that a man and a woman. The generally accepted means of procreation. means. Your views are apparently repulsive, disgusting an outdated. As far as I'm concerned, there's woods very offensive. They're calling me repulsive the calling me disgusting the calling me outdated. Yet of course. Twitter and no one else would consider removing such words because hate speech never ever works. Towards the Christian, you can never hate Christian enough. For the liberal elite. If I'm that right in Germany before the final solution. The propaganda will began. Painting the Jews as well. Disgusting Repulsive. Possibly out data's. Blaming them for the ills of the country. You cannot murder millions of people until you have made their lives. And their minds. Vile. In the eyes of the majority of the people. That is what is happening now. I'm not saying it's GONNA end up in the final solution, the death of millions of Christians. Though it may well. Have you read the Bible? Have you read about those who are beheaded because they will not? Renounce Christianity. I believe that. Around much of the Western world, and particularly, in America, we are not far. From. Potential, Marxist Communist revolution that will make the French Revolution. Look Tame. Inevitable God is gracious and Merciful. But it is highly possible. And quite, Likely. Continue reading this article, but in an interview with Premier Christian Radio Graham said. I'm not against gay people. That's one of the things that's just not true. I'm for all people. And I care about gay people. I think there's a real misunderstanding. We are not here to preach against anyone. We're here to tell everyone how they can have this since forgiven and how they can have a relationship with God through faith in his son Jesus Christ. Now. I'm not in Billy Graham. Not Her Franklin Graham's situation. And I don't know quite what my position would be had I the sort of public role that he has, but I believe. This is a cowardly cop-out. by Mr Graham. I understand the because he wants to do his best to try and open a door for the Gospel Open Opportunity, both in England, well, Britain Scotland as well. In Britain and in other countries. He wants to keep the door open for him to proclaim the Gospel. He's prepared to fudge the biblical stance on right and wrong. The Demo Win some with the Gospel. But. I think it's necessary for that to be law. and. Righteousness, and Sin Before the Grace Gospel means anything. The Bible is not so sin friendly as it appears. Franklin Graham wants to make it out to the Bible does speak against some people groups. Not, generally because of their sexuality. Not Against the LGBT movement though there is some. Talk of inappropriate sexual behavior, but against people who have rejected God and who indulge in wicked ways. We do not need to. Into the realm of sexual preference for want of a better term. We could just look at the Ten Commandments. Have you ever lied? Have you ever stolen? Have you ever dishonored your parents? Have you ever given? The worship situation to anything other than God. If you have. If you've ever your brother without course then. We don't need to go to your sexual preferences to look at you having a challenge with God. But anyway. We've recently started we my wife and I. sincerely it's a joy now, not working nights I'm able to get up early in the morning and go for what my wife come home and breakfast and read scriptures together and pray together. And we in between books. We've started reading a few psalms maybe through. A chapter two of the Bible each day and when we finish a book, we throw in a few. PSALMS JUST TO SPLIT The book of Psalms with after one hundred and fifty. One go when we get to the book Assam's. You don't have to go. Into the Booker Psalms before you get for, therefore, the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment. Or the ways of the ungodly shall perish, or Thou Haitis all workers of Iniquity the Bible is not so sinner, friendly as Mr Graham would appear. To want to make it sound. My advice to Newcastle would be the needs to be very careful before it speaks ill. Of the man of God. Still on UK News, low criminal threshold in Scotland hate crime bill misrepresented by Minnesota. From. Christian Institute again. We're back to them again. Justice, Secretary. Humza. Who's WHO's if? The Scottish name Amazon incorrectly told Hollywood. The person's action would have to be abusive fattening for prosecution to take place under the legislation in reality under the draft wording. Just a perception of abuse could trigger a criminal complaint. But after. Liam Kerr MSP, who is also? Also his party's justice spokesman told us if the assertion was inaccurate. A government official has confirmed that the Justice Secretary will amend the record known amends the bill. So that it would need a person to be abusive or threatening now. The records says he doesn't say that. That's the case you could now be prosecuted for just the thoughts. Costa greater cat be taken in the future, saying that even more important. Important given the low threshold, criminal criminalistics is a clear indication in the provision contained with part two of the bill, the hate crime and Public Order Scotland Bill keeps to. Seeks to extend the law on hate crime against particular characteristics including religion. I'm GonNa get to the number. Let me just say here. One can presume that Christianity is not really part of the religion. That is a protected group here. Speaking about? Franklin grimes views, being repulsive, disgusting route dated whatnot, probably be considered a protected a breach under this now, of course you causes not Scott had happened in Scotland would not be part of this. But. The the include groups include religion. Christian probably sexual orientation and transgender identity. If the bill passes the word. Words or behaviours perceived to be abusive and let me disturbed. Hatred could constitute an offence. There'd be no need to show that stirring up hatred had been intended or has taken place I'd I'd. Taking place on here is not an article. The proposals have met with fierce criticism since being announced politicians and organizations expressing concern about the implications for free speech. And, here I put in here, but I've already dealt with it really would Franklin Graham and up, not just canceled, but prosecuted in Scotland for his views well. Yes, he probably would. And Newcastle's counselor had he said these words in Scotland that Franklin Graham's views words were repulsive. Disgusting outdated would have gone scot-free I suspect. Last month of former deputy leader of the SNP blasted the Scottish government over its controversial hate crimes legislation writing in the spectator. Gym Saleh's Sylla's Silas. said the Scotland's political leaders had abandoned intellectual rigor. In favor of the pursuing people through the course he wrote Scots are now locked. They woke chamber. Virtuous signaling pandering to proceed victimhood, punishing anyone who asserts biological fact places A. Halter of criminal criminal places to hold your criminality on free thought when. Articulated by speech, abandoning common sense and that Scotland for you today. Migrants border force intercepts five boats say that. The five boats carrying migrants have been intercepted by border force vessels in the English Channel. Now when they say into intercepted, what they mean is the picked up the passages I gave them free passage to the U. K.. If you? WanNa travel from France to Britain. You have to pay the fan all the Channel Fair. If you haven't to be in the legal migrant. Border Force before you pick you up and ferry you across the channel. My question would not be more of a deterrent if we took the back to front instead of where they intended to go being Dover. asylum-seekers by law required to seek asylum in the first safe country. That they reach? Now I believe that France is not at war. And people are not being murdered for their religious beliefs on the whole unless you're a Jew in fronts. These people should be seeking sanctuary and asylum in France, and if later they want to come to England well. As French citizens used to be able to. It. I'm sure in the future if they become French citizens. The Home Office, said forty nine men, and women were brought to Dover and transferred to immigration. To immigration officials. Was Actually was actually women and forty seven men, I believe ministers for immigration compliance Chris. Phillips said we will do everything we can to stop these boats. Everything we can. Everything we can. Now I'm not suggestions, but we could sink. The boat should bullets. But we won't do everything we. We will pick them up and very them to the UK. He said the government was working closely with the French authorities to stop more and and authorities stopped more than a thousand migrants from crossing the channel in April and May. These those who arrived? In these boats were Iraqi Albanian Kuwaiti Sudanese from Chad. Syria. And Molly. These really countries. That a war or need silent needs to be sought from. Number of boats have also been found on the shore and so on as well. And people were picked up a while ago. Who strapped a few canoes together? A paddling cross using spades. They weren't canoes weather the support I think spades paddles. Home Office here. We are the Guardian. The Home Office has no idea how many people are in the UK illegally. The government's policy of making life intolerable for people who are suspected of illegally entering the UK is yet to show that it can persuade them to leave. Why tools spending watchdog found. Making life in tolerable. That that who went on a stabbing spree? I believe it was because he was complaining about the food. He was given free of charge. In a hotel! And illegal asylum-seeker. Put Him in a hotel given free food and accommodation, and probably a clothing allowance. It's intolerable for illegal migrants. If it's intolerable. What do they come boatload day after day after day? Now. Which hold the West? This is absolutely foul racist place. We've had riots in the streets. We've had protests. Black lives matter because blacks are highly prosecuted in the UK. So why are people from? Well. Maybe. Non White countries. Seeking to come here desperately desperate enough to risk their lives. Maybe. It's not as intolerable here. Swimming told me we're not such a racist and foul disgusting country as we're being told all. The coming here for a reason more important. Than being comfortable. Or, SAFE! Now I don't know what that is. I have my suspicions, but that is, but maybe there's another reason why they're coming other than. Because, it's a nice place to live. Or because of our social welfare. Or because France is at war. And they need to get out of fronts to save their lives. The national. Orgies Office said Home Office. Officials admitted that they had no specific evidence to show the compliant environment policy the successor to the hostile environment. That led to the wind scandal etcetera etcetera. Has made any difference in reported issue on Wednesday. Auditors also pointed out the home. Office has not updated. Estimate for the size of the illegal population for fifteen years. And that nearly two thirds of immigrants enforcement detainees released from detention without removal. For fifteen years. We've had no idea how many people have come into the country illegally. And of those who come in two thirds released. Into the community. Without removal. It comes days off. New Courses Watch, the Equality Human Rights Commission announced it would launch a legal action to review the department. The department had complied with the quantity law when implementing the hostile environment. How Day you could be less than. Consider all the human rights of those who illegally entered the country. It's just not tolerable. We are going to sue you. For Your intolerance of people illegally entering. The country. On a similar vein, but slightly different. Labor's Long Bailey sucked in antisemitism row. The BBC tell us Labor leader. Secure Sturm has sacked Rebecca Long Bailey sang. She shared an article containing an Semitic conspiracy theory. How shocking! There's a conspiracy theory. Well, there is a conspiracy. Many Jewish organizations, and if you want to know the details behind this true nooses, in-depth investigation, and you can find that on their website. Many Jewish organizations in America are boasting on their own websites that they have funded the training of thousands tens of thousands of American police officers. In Jewish Restraint techniques. There's A. Conspiracy, a number of people have. been involved in. Arranging a number of Jewish organizations have been involved in arranging and funding the training of American policemen. There was a conspiracy there. There's a theory about the number of people have had ideas about why this is happening. We're not sure, but there's a number of people have got ideas. It's a conspiracy theory. But it's also a conspiracy fact. It's truth. What she said. On the whole was factual, and true would do with a little bit of error much in it in a moment. But on the whole. What she said was true. Mrs Long Bailey retreated view with an actor and labor supporter maxine. Peake Pike Pick? The Shadows Education Secretary. Who has been? been to the party, leadership's accused him later, said the she had not meant to endorse or accept aspects of the article but Pierce Kerm Sturm. Senate his first Protei was tackling anti Semitism. Not Dealing with the truth. Not asking questions that need to be asked about why a Jewish. Charities effectively. Jewish organizations funding the training of police forces in America. No we don't care about that. What we want to do is tackle antisemitism of any kind. Be Telling the truth or not. Now as far as I'm concerned. And Anti Semitism at the wrong word because. The Palestinians. See Mine's. And, you can be anti Palestinian, or will you like and be praised heaven? By the Jews and by the. left-wing. Mainstream media. Jew is not something I'm keen on either. But Anti. Jewish charities or Jewish organizations training another country's police force sending them to Israel to be trained well. I'm might be allowed to have a view on that if they were training. British policemen on violent restraint techniques I think having a view on that would not be. A hatred of the Jewish people. Continue. The Labour leader said the sharing of that article was wrong because the obstacle contained anti Semitic conspiracy theories and I have therefore stood. Rebecca Long Bailey down from the shadow cabinet. The fact that it might be true doesn't matter. It was anti Semitic. I've made my first priority to tackle antisemitism at the expense of truth and facts doesn't say that diet that bit. And rebuilding trust with the Jewish community is the number one priority for me. So the number one priority for later the opposition, the number one protein for the man who would be. A prime minister if he could be is not late in the country is not dealing with right and wrong in the country is. Winning the affections of the Jewish community. No. I might be sounding bit anti here. and. I hope not. I hope I'm not anti anybody. But I might be unto. Giving special treatment. To One group of people because of their claimed racial heritage. I think that's racism. A spokesman for the Labour leader added Anti. Semitism takes many different forms, and it's important that we are vigilant against it. In the article mystique discussed the police taking of George. Killing George Floyd I'm in Minneapolis. She said. The tactics used by the police in America. Kneeling on George, fluids neck that was learned from seminars with. The secret services. Now I think the thing that might be wrong is that it was really secret service, but certainly the police in America happing taught restraint techniques by believe. It was the Israeli Defence Force Not Israeli secret service. The Independent article also quoted Israeli police, denying Mrs Peaks claim saying there is no tactic. Or Protocol calls. To put pressure on the neck. Or Airways. Now may be a tactic or protocol, but there certainly is a practice. Of Restraining Palestinians. In that way. And for butter, a shooting. Many of them are Friday. Later on Thursday Mrs P tweeted, she had been inaccurate you, my assumption of American police, training and sources, she added I find racism antisemitism at Barnes, and I in no way wish nor intense to ask folder to any views of the country. Well, we do not want to foster anti any group views. But we don't believe that one is should hide the truth. To protect. A political regime. Not a not a group of people that Jews. Or possibly those who? Claim Israeli heritage. It's difficult to speak of this group because. Well this the fudging around goes on. But! We don't hate the Jews. We Love Him to come to Christ. But. That doesn't mean that all our practices are excusable. By that I don't choose I mean the Jewish government. And regime and those who promote graces. Anyway that we go this bit of News Straight Way Beyond UK newsletter back have a quick little bit of Brexit News. No I'm sure that the steel in my way of looking at things more smoke than light with regard to what's happening brexit. Why is it appears the way onto to break to? The peers were not going to have an extension, but who knows until it actually happens. But something that they come across my desk this week was that Brussels is looking to increase Germany's e. you contributions by forty two percent. Because according to the German newspaper dwelt. They're going to have to four counts an extra forty two percents and the contributions. They give to the EU. This is according to the gym. Finance Ministry would be piling an extra thirteen billion euros a year onto the country's e you bill. Germany already gives you one billion euros a year and this increase will take it up to forty four billion euros a year. I'm sure the German taxpayers will be thrilled. With that. World News and Well Banks exert political pressure. And this is about Gab dot com now gob dot, com and Paulie. Paulie DOT COM. Oh, sure I'll find out the minute prep for you. Pitch be really the new free speech Parlor P.. P. A. R. E. E. R., and I think that's DOT com. Appear to be really the new. Massively growing free speech versions of. FACEBOOK FOR GAB and Twitter for Pala. Well look at. GOB also has a system where you can basically comment on any website. In the world. If you have the gap. Plugging in your browser. Banks exert political pressure is my title for this. As just an email that went out to gab followers last week. Visa blacklisted, and we save any more. Can we bide? Listed allows blacklisted anymore. Climate Black Mr Morton EST blacklisted Gab, and they are now unable to process credit cards. Credit and debit card transactions. We learn more information this week and I think it's important that I share is warning for others. It's not only just the GAB is blacklisted. It's also cabs CEO. Family! We were told. This week the only is Gab blacklisted by visa as a business, but my personal name phone number address and more are also blacklisted by visa. If I wanted to leave Gab tomorrow something that isn't going to happen and start lemonade. Stand I wouldn't be able to obtain the merchant processing for it. Simply, because my name is Andrew Tobon. My wife wants to see if my wife wants to start a business, she won't be able to obtain a merchant account because she lives at the same address as me. would be flanked by visa. This is obviously very concerning. He continues. We have done nothing wrong well. That is they've done nothing illegal? But they've done something wrong in the minds of the left and the PC brigade. We've done nothing wrong. DAB has always been legally operate illegally operated business. We sell hats shirts software subscriptions to a service that unlocks new features on gap. My personal credit scores eight in the eighteen hundreds I pay my bills. I have a wife and daughter to provide for yet. We are being punished and defend because someone visa. Has It out for me? We were told the VISA has someone compiling? Our. Song campaign on our website, watching our payment processing a soon as we get a new processor, they find out who it is on the end and contact them. Tell them the. Telling the process of the cavs flagged for illegal activity, and if we do not stop processing payments, if they do not stop processing payments for us, they will. Be Fined. When the front inquires about this out, allegedly illegal activity visa tells them. The gap has been flagged for hate speech. Hate. Speech is of course, not illegal in the United States of America and is protected by the First Amendment. As I have written, it is not real, and I refuse to acknowledge it as a term visa doesn't agree with me. The reason I share this, of course is it serves as a wake-up call and as a warning. If they can do this to me, they can do it to you. And they likely will. When. Elliot it will be that question speeches deemed hate speech. Will Your Churches Bank account be closed. What would you do? When you were there. Account is closed. What will you do when your account is threatened unless you leave the Church or stop professing Christ? This will almost certain happen, but it will not happen yet. They're beginning to, but it won't happen yet of until they have cash. Properly on the run. Once, we go cashless. If close your bank account, what will you do? The actual continues Christians need to be especially concerned aware of this. I Guess Andrew Tobin is a Christian and GAB is a Christian run. Business Chris needs to be especially concerned and aware of this the Communist. Revolution takes over the when the. The Communist revolutions taking over the United. States are coming for us all. It's only a matter of time before the Bible is labeled as hate, speech and churches start to experience what I am going through right now. Then he quotes revelation thirteen seventeen that no men that that no man might buy or sell save the had the mark or the name of the beast or the number of his nine. I'm not sure Andrew Taupin. Tobon. Radio so we'll stop the the next session with a little bit of a comedy Article Really. Radio station. Are Chess is racist? A former Australian representative John Adams. Has. Hammered a Sydney radio station for asking of chess is racist. Because white always moves first. Adams revealed on Tuesday he'd received a call from producer at ABC Sydney. Asking if it contributes to a segment on racism in chess that will hit the airwaves on Wednesday. They called me up and asked me whether I was John Adams involved in chess. Adams told the daily. Telegraph then they said with everything going on what they? They wanted to have a conversation about white, going I in chess and the racist context of whether whites should go first, and we'll leave it there, but just so you know they'll find racism anywhere they want to. Black lives, my founder or CO founder says that they the founders black lives matter are trained Marxists. The criticism is helpful. I, also think that it might I think a lot of things. The first thing I think is that we actually do have ideological frame myself an at least the on particular are trained organizers we are trained Marxists We are Super. Versed. On sort of ideological theories, did you even no such thing as a trained organizer? So here we are Patrisse. Carlos C. U. L. L.. R., S She's Co. founder of black lives matter and she says. The blaze matter. The trained organizes the that that ideologically aware and they're trained Marxists. She's American artist and activist. She's an advocate of prison. Abolition in Los Angeles and Co founder of the Black Lives Matter Movement. She also identifies as a queer activist and cools. For the national defunding of the police force in America. Black matter is not simply about the oppression of black people in any particular society. It's not about the killing of George Floyd or anybody else in particular. In both America and Britain, more whites than blacks are killed. Approximately Twenty five percent. Manual. Twenty five percent more likely to die in police custody the Lebron is. Not, about that. The trained Marxists seeking to bring about a Marxist. Revolution! In the West. Now many people on the street will believe that this is about black lives matter. It's not. They're trained Marxist seeking to bring about a Marxist revolution. To overthrow. The Belly but the Christian. Founded Not Christians Christian founded. Democratic Democracies, useful, democratic. Justice based. law-based. Moral Biblical law based. Societies that have kept the world sound, and on an even Keel for well. Many many many years now. Then abolish. Slavery That opposed Nazism, which was not a right wing ideology was socialism. The Socialist Party of Germany not says. It prevented the communism of. The USSR taking over. The world. It's held in check for a long time Chinese communism. Not Maybe for much longer. And the plan is to over. Turn it. Black lives matter is not. About equal opportunities. For every person. We can talk about the. Usefulness of Tearing Down Society and the usefulness of attacking the police in stoning them. Or getting up early in the morning and going and getting job. Earning some money improving your neighborhood. By good works. By screaming and shouting and demanding that people do stuff for you. Borough taken in by this least a great many people are Burnley I'm ashamed and embarrassed by the banner. Reading white lives matter. Matter Burnley. This is from the BBC. Burnley are ashamed and embarrassed by the banner reading. White lives. Matter Burnley that was towed by an aeroplane over. Its head stadium et. HDD. You could tell about regular reading. These join Monday's match against Manchester City. The aircraft circled over the stage just after kickoff and cities five zero win, God bless you badly burned me. City players and staff had taken the knee in support of black lives matter Marxist revolution. Matter Movement moments earlier. They take in the need to the Marxists. So the Burnley Football Club. Black lives matter, but white lives, an utter disgrace, and saying that white lives matter is a shame now either all lives matter and therefore black lives, matter and therefore black lives. Matter is a subgroup as it were of all lives, matter in so what lives is also a subgroup of all is matching therefore. WHAT THOSE MATTERS! Okay Oh. There is something special about black people. That made them more important than Asians or Chinese or Japanese all. Europeans! And it seems to be. That is racist statements. Black lives matter is not about the protection of black people from the police. The idea that we defend the place. or is. A major political movement the will overturn Western society as we know it. It is not about protection of black people will not be improved by the way no police on the streets by crime, being utterly rampant. In fact. One American policemen the other day senior say we've basically given up on time to stop black people stabbing Black People We just can't stop it. Black People's lives will not be improved by the being no police on the streets. Because on the whole. There's more crime in black. Obvious the white areas. One person was killed by the police while attempting to him last year in London. That was the London Bridge terrorist. Defender. Me Emmy said we are embarrassed. The Dr Name was in it that they tried to attach to our club. It doesn't belong anywhere near our club. Burnley is not your club Burnley. City not owned by the club. Was Town sure. In a statement, Bernie, said my bony football club, actually said the. In no way represents what the clubs stands for. And that they will work fully with the authorities to identify those responsible for and take appropriate. Actual appropriate action is to of course what lives matter as do black. The stunk was carried out by. ADS which operates out of Blackpool airport and makes the. May Make. Some flies banners! Is this flown banners over football club stadiums in the past including? Moi's out. One Trafford, the BBC sports contacted the company, a man who refused to give his name, but said he was packing away the banner. He said as long as the Bundy's were legal and did not use coarse language. The company did not take sides absolutely right and had previously donate. Black lives matter banner. He claimed the police had been informed of the banner in advance. The banner reading lightweight Whitelaw's have burned me is flown above. Had Stadium before the Premier League match between Manchester City and Burnley. The chair of kick it out England football anti-racism charity, the point of black lives matter is not to diminish the importance of people's lives. It is to highlight. The black people are being denied certain human rights, simply by virtue of the color of their skin. I! Don't believe it. We have black people in all manner of areas the society from. Major TV anchorman and the news industry football players all manner of places. You just need to get up and get on. When I was at school I was severely beaten. and. Put upon by a number of black people. In the area that I lived. I remember coming home with bruises from. Punch one arm that came out on the other I'm. I don't know quite what causes that, but I haven't made up of infection the. Infection what I'm sure. But I was punched alone. Children bruised right across to the other. But I don't hold that against the peoples of Britain. Which one boy who had been told a lie about something I'd said. I hadn't said. And we decided he was going to punch me for is. It's not. An excuse for me to hate black people. Nor is the condition at some black people in A. Situation for them to. Demand that they are. Given greater rights. covid nineteen on world news covid nineteen is more serious than we thought. Unnecessarily now we have over one hundred, twenty, million dead from Kobe. Yes this is creepy Joe Biden. Who the Democrats won't, BE THE NEXT president of the United States of America well. I can't actually believe they do. Not credulous enough to to believe that, are we I suspect what they're planning on doing is putting someone in his vice president. Joe, creepshow Biden elected and then getting into step down and have I don't know maybe Mrs Obama. Who might be his running mate. Become President. But. He believes that one third of the population in the United. States of America has been killed by Ovid well. He had been hiding out in his. Kobe, bunker ever since Kobe came into. Maybe he is unaware of the fact that actually a third of America was not killed. By covert, but they go. He is. Less than fully grasp of world events. At the moment. Shaun King is being condemned for calling for. Protesters to Ted down. Racists statues of Jesus Activists Shaun King faced condemnation on Monday after calling for statues of Jesus to be torn down next amid the nation. Wide Protests yes, I think. The statues are white European. They claim is of the European. They claim claims Jesus should also come down. There a form of white supremacy. Always have been. King tweeted. In the Bible when the family of Jesus wanted to hide and blend in guess where the went. Egypt's not Denmark. Tear them down. In another post candidate, yes, all murals and stained glass windows of white Jesus and his European. Mother and their white friends should also come down. They are gross full of white supremacy. Created as tools of oppression. RACIST PROPAGANDA! They all come down well. To start with you, don't hear cooling. The statues and images of blacks Jesus. The African black man they call Jesus to be torn down or. Broken up or whatever? But. Most of the people. A thousand years ago. One hundred years ago more than. Women they made I don't know. Two hundred years ago, three hundred or four hundred years ago. who were making what we now have? Historic stained glass witness historic. Portraits of Jesus never seen a black man. Offer them at the scene amount from the Middle East. They didn't know what a Jew. Many of didn't know what a look like. For that matter. Many may even be nicknamed to the Jesus was Ju-? Church. Just oh! Ten years ago. What the eldest sitting me! He'd been reading a book. Digital Jesus was a Jew as well. Utterly ignorant. It wasn't white supremacy that made white people. Making images of Jesus. A man I don't think and even if it was close. One eighty pictures Jesus. It doesn't help me much at all. But we don't have to tear them down. This we might want to know well. How stopped tour get of something in Jackson? Daughter Paris to play Jesus in a in less as a lesbian woman in new film. Michael Jackson's daughter and just from the daily, Star. Michael Jackson's daughter. Paris Jackson is set to play Jesus in upcoming. Thriller Movie. E, online reports that the independent film titled Habit Tells The Story of a Street Smart Party girl with a Jesus Fetish who gets mixed up in a violent drug deal and finds a possible way out by Mosca, raiding or none. Paris, twenty two portrays Jesus as a lesbian woman in the flick who indulges in passion with other women. The actress, physical portrayal of the religious figure features a nose ring and traditional long robe. The daughter of Billie Jean. Hitmaker, not the only famous name on Habits Co Star. CAST list. So, habits star studded cast list, and so we have again Hollywood or Hollywood like Planning on disgusting. Portrayal of Jesus Novo Years Woman but as a lesbian. Why don't they just go and find a lesbian love story of their own without having to try and denigrate? My faith, not really. My faith is the faith of the Lord Jesus crunched now. Will be condemned in Scotland and band tone. Think so, do you? It should be, but it won't be anyway. That was equipment of Chechnya Adonia introduced that and let's move onto. A little bit of science news. This is in nature dot. com scientists warning on affluence. For over half a century, world growth in affluence has constituted continuously increased resource, use and popular popular. Pollutant emission far from rapid fire more rapidly than these have been reduced through better technology. The affluent citizens of the world are responsible for environmental impact. For most environmental impact certainly. Central to any future prospects of. Retreating to a safer environmental conditions, and so the report goes on. There's a youtube about this very good but I. Link Matinee. Show not embedded in the show notes willing, but that's just ask a few questions. What societies tend to have more polluted conditions around them the affluent? All the poverty stricken areas. Who Tend to strip things like trees snapped area, and who tend to plant plush Green Gardens and trees around areas economists. The controlled by. Well regulated electr electricity production. All the economists that need to burn trees for heating and cooling. Cooking calling some areas. Incumbent recording, can you? He shows pictures of an area June civil war where I because they used wood for fuel was stripped trees. Picture today with the place being plush verdant. Western. Rich economists who are careful disposal sites with. Waterproof linings controlling runoff, etc or third. World situations where. The place is surrounded in literatures thrown about the place. there may be situations where affluence is a problem. But the opposite of affluence is poverty and poverty certainly is not an aide to environmental care and safety. A little bit of technology, news or Tech Industry News perhaps. FACEBOOK content moderation. Moderator says if someone is wearing a mega hat. I'm going to delete them for terrorism. Project Veritas has today released one of the most damning undercover investigation reports this time insider, an insult used hidden cameras to document rampant censorship occurring in social media giant facebook. Recordings capture facebook content moderators. Bragging about deleting posted comments supporting president. Donald, trump and conservative causes. What percentage of the flagged. In the civic harassment Q. as it's called. Were Republican conservative. I saw stark contrast between Republicans versus Democrats and acute I saw upwards of seventy five to eighty percent of the post in that queue or from Republican pages. Politicians journalists and pages. That supported the President or supported conservatives. What does that tell you? About facebook slash cognizance algorithm here. Well certainly, the algorithm is not human, but it had to be made by human. So four seventy five to eighty percent of the post to be. Targeting Republicans and Conservatives you can say it was about, but somebody had to design that algorithm so really. Somebody facebook. So. Gab Dot Com. PARLOR DOT COM. Possible alternatives that you ought to think about using. Insert. Especially, gabbing run by a man appears to be a Christian ought to be using instead perhaps of twitter and facebook that are definitely infected by liberal left leaning. Agendas. And let's go on lastly to the slippery slope of Sexually Lula liberalization? As I said, it's hard to decide where things should go. Other bits possibly should have been here. This could be elsewhere you. An expert demands conversion therapy bands worldwide. Christian concern this is Christian concern dot com last month United Nations. LGBT expert published a report. Demanding the countries across the world should enact laws and policies to ban so-called conversion therapy. Both for same sex attraction and. Trans Gender Confusion. Could read more, but we'll leave it there basically organizations like Mermaids who advocate for the promotion of transgender. To. Very very young children mention them and persuading them to have that penises and Prescott off. Find no problem. People advocate for the LGBT. Homosexual sight of it. Fine no problem. But if you're a church urging people who broken and devastated by life of sexual confusion. Your evil must be made illegal. If! You're a pastor who counsels. Someone. Who is living a homosexual lifestyle that they need to consider? Becoming either celebrate. Or committing their loss to the Lord and seeking to be able to enjoy a life of. Sexual fulfillment in a heterosexual relationship you the. You're evil. The some people who have been using. A bitter who claim the name of Christ particularly from African churches. Who use physical and emotional. beachings trying to find a would abuse. To try and persuade people from. Away from homosexual or transgender star? Who should not be allowed to do that. Who served should not be came crushed while I do so. But. The problem with this sort of legislation is that it task books, the good and the bad with the same brush. And Pastors and youth workers who are. Counselling people struggling with their sexuality May, we'll find themselves being prosecuted. Under you and ENFORCED LEGISLATION Thank, you so much for being with us if you're still here after an hour and fifteen minutes while bless you. I do hope some of what we've been reporting on has been both encouraging for your prayer. And your study and your your awakeness to what's happening to what's coming on this world? I'm occasionally told you know we should have more good news. What is difficult to have good news? As I've said before Old Lady wasn't rate not really news old. Lady raped his news. The places where things are great, hunky-dory are not really news I believe so much of. US as Christian so many of as Christians I live in a small village ICU devoted to close my eyes to this I. believe much of my church who live in a very nice little town in. Somerset. have no understanding of what's going on with the riots and the police being pelted at all going on statues, coming down, costuming torn down the demands for Christianity to be. Christian statues to be torn down for conversion therapy been made illegal in Christian counseling for. Thoughts on! Normative. Homosexual marriage so heterosexual marriage. Biblical marriage to be considered disgusting and outdated. To be effectively made illegal to hold meetings that we're talking about such things. That's close is the standing what is coming and the position where well there could be facing a very very nasty awakening. In the I believe we are not far. From a potential Marxist Communist revolution that could make the French Revolution look. Well look. And that we need to be vigilant, be preferably means be seeking God to enable us. To. Do whatever is necessary to prepare for this? What is necessary? But be ready to be strong in the Lord such. Should this come? What are you GonNa? Do if they come and say to you deny Christ or have your bank account closed. It's very difficult to know well. It's not really as you don't deny. Christ but it's GonNa be very different. Worry painful. Many people are gonNA struggle with this. Let me close with us to versus. We've been using for the last few weeks now. Some thirty one fifteen since my times are in my hand. We don't need to panic or struggle a worry about things that are going on around us. Because our times in God's hadn't. You cannot die to let shoe. You don't WanNa live if he said it's time for you to go to be with him. Romans Eight, thirty, eight, thirty, nine for I am persuaded that neither death no life, no angels, nor principalities, no powers, no things present things to come near the plant lows, matter, nor covid nineteen shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. These things cannot take us. Can't take away our salvation. They can make your. They can tickle your life. But. They cannot take away your salvation God bless you have a fantastic. We go and love and serve your northern king. On a him Washington thanks to him. I commit this difficult. Tragically ill world. Cat. and. Ask him what you need to be doing. To. Maintain your freedom. To worship him. And Proclaiming the Gospel. 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Craig Foster's fight to save Hakeem
"This is an ABC PODCAST The Kingdom of Bahrain is a small extremely wealthy oil rich nation on the Arabian Peninsula. It's been ruled by the same royal family hundreds of years. The people of Bahrain a mad about soccer, which of course is known as football throughout the world. Fosters my guest today Craig is a former soccer ru and a commentator for ESPN sport. Craig didn't know all that much about. Bahrain. Until one of its former national players was arrested. A PROMISING YOUNG STAR NAMED AKEEM Came had been victimized by the regime in Bahrain he'd been detained several times and even tortured by the police. But I came had made his way to Australia as a refugee. And he found the good life here playing for suburban Melbourne soccer club. In two, thousand, eighteen, it came went to Thailand on his honeymoon and that's where he was arrested. There was an international warrant on him. And, the ties wanted to hand him back to the Bahraini authorities. In Craig, Foster Hood this story he was deeply worried for a came even though he'd never met him and so he began a campaign to rescue a came and bring him back home to Australia. Craig fought the power of two monkeys and the world's largest sporting institutions to free him. Craig's book is called fighting for I came Craig. Richard Nice to join you what did you know? Bahrain before all this started very they don't I knew that they had been moving into sport in and particularly into football I knew that one of the ruling family members had a reason to prominence as the president of the Asian Football Confederation which costs Australia is a member of. So I knew that they were influencing sport globally along with the big brother and close neighbor of course, Saudi Arabia, others you USAA. but I didn't know of the Human Rights Abuse I. I didn't know of the rule of law. I didn't know about all of the social issues that they had and and like many other Australians I had probably a masters degree over the course of seventy seven. Even to into the social issues of Bahrain. So it's like a bunch of islands isn't it online often the on the coast and the Gulf The. Royal Family how rich is family I mean we're we're kind of lost all. WOULD THEY HAVE GREG? Whatever lost all they desire incredibly rich. As you said, it's a an oil rich site and I've used that money to to their benefit for international diplomacy for international influence. In fact, one of the interesting. Fact as around the campaign was once we got how came out many of the Bahrainis privately who'd been in contact. Because, of course you know public commentary and dissent in a place like Bahrain monarchy is very much frowned upon and. Leads to convictions and and other things by in touch sign that was the Golden Jubilee, actually of the international diplomacy of Bahrain of having all of these embassies and they senior national influence around the world and using their money to that end, and it was feeding that in that at that time in that year that we've been able to get how came out because it was people power and it was it was the pair of democracy and human rights fighting back against this global influence of of finance. The people of Bahrain biolog- What are they like? Are they do they get this wealth? They will educated in in the line hi, really highly educated but there's of course as a split in society there around religious grounds the. Sunni and the Shia Muslims and Hakim is is Shia and that's one of the social issues that they face. You know right across the Middle East of course. But particularly, there was a big factor in the Arab spring. Is it the majority? Shia Shia because that's going to be an issue Ryan on the border with Saudi Arabia, which is such now for a hobby, Sunny? Islam. That's that's a source of tension with the Ryden very much. So it was an issue in Cain, campaign that we actually avoided because we didn't want to get into the kind of political and religious either towns and start to bring any of those things into the campaign because of course here in Australia, we simply don't care the point for us in the power of the campaign was to say that Hakim is a young man whose human rights need to be upheld and from our perspective we you know we we respect religion we respect where he's come from his background, but we say him as no different to anyone else. Is a phrase that's used about Ryan that it uses football for sports watching what does that mean sports Washington? It's become a really powerful term in recent years not just because of Bahrain, but also U-I-I-I Saudi Arabia and many of the Gulf sites. And what it means is that they're using the economic power to infiltrate into influence and to to purchase seats. So governance officialdom. Positions and all clubs through three instance in in. France. Buying? Clubs. Through television broadcast rights, various football, and other sports around the world. Why? Why do they do? So the reason is to burnish their image. You've seen this in history of sport of course some and we had the World Cup in Russia in twenty. S A big factor for us. You know like the political equivalent of money laundering other words, right so you're seeing this guy and the international bodies you buying what soccer fields countries are on the part of these organizations and Some of that but more about more bat. Branding on the external. External. atmosphere and and you a particular have some of the biggest football clubs in the world. But for by Raina Tobacco hosting sport big sporting events, they have a Formula One race they of course or had. We had some some really serious issues. One of the protesters was jailed for putting something on facebook against that if one race. And you have strong influence in cycling that cycling race they of course, the head of the Bahrain Merida cycling team which the Prince of Bahrain is the president of and in football I've been able to get people into really strong positions including shake salmon who runs the Asian Football Confederation out Qatar. neighboring. Nation tiny Qatar by us to host the World Cup. Guitar. The Hot Dry plays they're gonNA have the World Cup there. What about by Ryan? How much international influence does Bahrain now exist enjoy international soccer. Well, they have considerable influence because the head of the Asian Football Confederation and Vice President of faith are so in the governance aspect of the world's biggest sport, perhaps the second most powerful person on the planet is is shake Salman. Bin Al Khalifa who is a member of the ruling family, and so he's incredibly powerful position. He was really key to this campaign as well because only a few years ago he had run for that position against Gianni, Infantino actually for the presidency favor and of course, that's one of the. Areas. We came started to run into trouble when he spoke out against team. So the the state's using different strategies to influence sport and to buy influence to purchase influence, and that's the by buying key assets or by getting people into key positions of influence. So that's the that's the oppose the context here. Small. But extremely wealthy Gulf stipe purchased a whole lot of influence in international soccer and then we have how Cain. himself. What was his childhood like the you know of in in Moraine well, he's childhood was was well as ideally because as any of the sheer I guess in Bahrain you know here's a young kid who loved football and played and dreamed of playing at a high level and he was able to develop his career through largely Shia clubs. Shia. Backed clubs. In Bahrain until he's mid teens and he was identified as a really talented player started to come through into these junior national teams of Bahrain and he thought he'd go on to play for Madrid, you know he he had he loves her Ramel says he told me later in Bangkok prison and he had posters like any kid around the world. They had posters of the great players of the world like Sergio and he thought that that was going to be his destiny sadly him in the politics of Bahrain and politics of sport ended up. Largely putting a stop to that and today Yes to rebuild these career. So in two thousand eighteen, this is a year before the Arab spring protests twenty twenty-nine, he was fifteen years old and he was arrested What what do we know about? Why was do? We know why he was arrested? So he says that the state police turned up to his house and they were looking for his half brother and who apparently had been also a pro-democracy protests orban evolved in that movement like many. Shiite imagine. And because they couldn't find him they decided where we'll take the brother as collateral. and. So he found himself marched off to prison instead of He's Bravo considering his older brother all look hostage in Hawaii. Well that's right. Point is to give the family odds on. That's right. Exactly. What happened? And so he's found himself imprisoned for a number of months. You know at a really young age, and sadly, of course, the more that we learn about these, we find out that he was far from alone that you know these things in a place like Bahrain are common occurrences. And people have to suffer through these types of circumstances. No wonder of course ultimately, it ends up in people taking to the street and peacefully protesting for democracy, which is what happened in twenty eleven. Twenty eleven is the Arab spring protests break at all the way from. Libya Tunisia Egypt and up into the Gulf states will. So how did that play out on the streets of Bahrain the the the Arab Spring He will look this really write books. And? Documentaries about it that say essentially, what happened is it started off really peacefully and that it was very secular whilst people thought that was the Shia population rising up they say that it was across you know both religions in fact all but predominantly Shia and when in that everyone had come together and saying look, this is time for democracy and this this movement was sweeping across the Middle East and for a period of time a number of weeks. That was fine, and in fact, our in negotiations with the ruling family and the government which is controlled by them about a democratic elections and and changing the they system until big brother a across the sleep way Saudi Arabia got involved and eventually they sent across tanks and they quashed it and people died question with Saudi tanks. Yeah. Here they came across and and they supported Bahrain or perhaps asserted they will whichever way to look at it and. People died Participate in those pro yes. So he was involved as a young. University student and as many of them were and as a leading young athlete and water essentially happen was. The government Dan, of course, this all went onto the news bulletins and it had bring in the news prominently for a number of weeks, and until it all went sour and the the news then put up some of the vision of the protests and they identified Cape People, athletes, and others predominantly Shia, and they would show the vision and say okay and he is Richard. With these with a circle around his head, and here's this person is volleyball and he's this person is a basketball and he's the captain of the national football team out of what happened to all those poop and so that were incarcerated. There was over one hundred, fifty athletes plus many others from civil society. who were incarcerated and many of them subsequently alleged that they were tortured. Some of those later retracted those statements like allah-hu who bile, who was actually the captain of the senior national team because Hakim was Indiana twenty-three used by screen. They're limping national team at that time, but they're national captain was was also incarcerated and and said, he was tortured fled. But in order to come back to Bahrain lighter, he recanted those statements. So there was only a few of them like. Like how came who kind of brave enough and who had fled to other countries who are capable of speaking out and saying what really happened? So we get to November twenty thirteen, I came in Qatar. Playing in Qatar. and. You got a phone call. Told me about this phone call to go warning him. While he was in Qatar he so he'd early being. Incarcerated again for second time and Hey Dexia bank tortured that time and he was in once again for a number of months and he says that they would sit him down and beat him on the legs with pipes and say, we're break your legs. You're never play football again, and then after fifteen or twenty minutes of this. They would make him stand up around for some period of time to get blood back into the legs, and then I would sit him down strapping and Galligan. So and the allegations were around some type of attack on a police station. He went to play in, but they released him walls. This went through the court process as such as the Corpora- says he's right. Yeah. But what was his alibi? When he was supposed to be allegedly attacking this police station is so what had occurred is he actually playing live on television in a football match at the time when this alleged crime occurred. So the police said we're pinching because we say you attacked the police station on this such and such time. And it just happened to be that he was playing soccer on national television. So the vision, the vision went into core I said look easy with us the club itself put put forward an affidavit of course, don't forget. It's a she a cloud of a sloppy secret police. This case together, they didn't realize it was going to hit international media and they were they weren't going to have to back up this statement. So he was in Qatar when he was warned of this what would once he got this warning that he was about to be. Picked up again, and then he was in real trouble here. He. He then fled, and so he fled across to around. Ultimately, went to Malaysia and seeking arm came to Australia where where he was on abridging vase he flew into Australia friend who is living in Melbourne. has also a former athlete who who I think it also run fail of the family and he ended up in Melbourne seeking asylum and trying to rebuild these off. Very had fiance at the time ninety. What did he was he able to call her until I'm leaving. I'll try and bring you to what was going on. What happened he had to flee there was no time really to consider anything, but but he's own safety like many asylum seekers and refugees. Of course, around the world he was very similar to. Millions of them so he had to flee and he said look. We'll keep in touch they. They met each other I think was on instagram on on social media which Bahraini people are very prominent on and the being is because they can't speak out publicly quite often the Hevelius is on there and it's it's one way for them to to make statements is one way for them to keep in contact with their royal family now in. So they kept in touch he came here and tried to rebuild his wife and ask Australia to grant protection which we ultimately ended up doing. When he was living here though initially it was on a bridging things. That what was lifelock for? That was terrifying because the as the Bahraini people will tell you those in Australia and around the world narrow, highly organized cohort and to your point before they're highly educated a society. A really clever smart people who are trying to change their own country even against. Oppressive crackdowns. and. So he had a community of be commute around the world helping him including human rights advocates Sawyer L. would I who's who's some of these family Mozelle stealing costs right now he's in London he was a big supporter for him. He had people like the Gulf Institute for Human, rights and democracy in Melbourne. So we had quite a little a lot of support trying to help him but what about getting work and just and putting food on the? Well, he's lucky that he could play football right? And that's where he he was in unique circumstances in many ways and I. think that's what's good for Australia, to recognize. That's one of the reasons for writing the book is to let people know that football. In some ways put him in trouble football I put him in a position where he spoke out against a member of the ruling family but football side was able to mobilize to save him and also gave him. Hope gave him help giving friends gave him a new community and gave him worked by playing in the NPL in Victoria and of course, how many other asylum seekers and refugees down have that help? So. There is Melvin King of Bull Round, and I've for various clubs down and Melbourne. And in Twenty fifteen, he said the spike at as you said, against shakes almonds bid for the presidency shake salmon from. From Bahrain. How did that go? What's what's inspired? Firstly, it's incredibly brave to do so. I think they were would have been some pressure on him because I talked about this broader Bahrain human rights community, and so now they're looking at this young kid in Australia and we've helped you be there and we've you know we've helped you with the process for seeking asylum and we think that you should speak out and that was a bit of a worry after we got him out as well. Kept signing listen downfield that you have this huge responsibility based spokesperson. You know that was that was part of what created his issues. It was incredibly brave what he did. He spoke out from what he thought was a safety of Melman and the reason being is because shake Salman, who now heads I've seen is the second most powerful in the big sport in the world he actually was the president of the Bahrain Football Association at that time like I win win win how Cain was a young national team football as he was directly responsible for him. How can was incarcerated and tortured and Salman as the local president said nothing in fact. To hurricanes point there was a committee that was convened by the ruling family to identify the athletes in the way that I told you earlier on TV to identify them and actively seek to have them incarcerated and shake Salman was. Nine as the chairman of that Committee Shaikh Salman essentially is a member of regime. Yes. That is singling out athlete that's trying to persecute them, and at the same time, he wants to become the president of world governing soccer body. which is supposed to protect national titling. So what happened is he spoke out and said look he was involved Salman came out during that campaign and said, there is now evidence said he said, yes, always the chairman of that committee, but we never met the baron community that there was There was some minutes of that committee of the first meeting that they actually did convene under him. Nevertheless, they've all been wiped across from the Internet right. But. What how came says I even if there's no proof of that at least he didn't speak up for us. He said nothing while bank tortured and he was the head of football right? So it clearly, we think it cost. Shake Salman Pot reputation and may have cost him the most powerful position well-spoken. So so the ethically imperfect shake Salman. Yes. Filed these exact become the president of FIFA. He would've put various comments made by various people back into memory is the guys and and he's a kind of filler basic grudge I expect the ruling family certainly is you know if you look at the the number of. Journalists who are incarcerated. If you look at the human rights abuses, they you, they don't forget and they're incredibly brutal. So they took some years. So what's interesting in various cases that for the ensuing years three almost four years didn't do anything Bahrain didn't want him. There was now Interpol red notice on him and we think are probably monitoring him but nothing was occurring in as you're traveling government said and ambassador designate in in and Ellen MacKinnon said to the ties well, Bahrain heavensent anything for all of these years. Why do they want him now when they found that he was going to Thailand? That's when I decided. Well, we're GONNA work with ties and trying getting back. Okay. So. He gets proper prediction visa in Astrid, is and ninety. To join him and he's playing soccer here in in in the. And Life is good. He's GonNa Proper Permanent Protection Visa and. That's when he and Noni plan a holiday honeymoon to Thailand. Thailand won the Goldie. Really. Yeah. It's a good question. You know he asked everyone and of course, everyone around him he's going off the Thailand Bali forget but if I Wanted to be one of these teams when I say is at the end of the end of the season so many Australian teams that he didn't guy he was, but he asked around and he's lawyers is immigration laws asked and and people saw talent should fine. He just didn't know the relationship between the two monarchies happened when he got to an airport dandruff flight yes to climate here. So once he got there of course Border Force. Then concede that there is an Interpol red notice placed on him, which was placed on the day after he received his visa from the Thai seen. Melvin. So there was clearly communication between ties and the Bahrainis already. So Paul Rib nut is the died after from Bahrain he has a day after he gets his tie visa. So Second Ryan in. Melbourne from the embassy in Melbourne instead is unlikely. That's unlikely to be a coincidence. Going on there has to be on has to be so are the are the someone there have been monitoring knew that he was going on or saw that he was going to the in BC which is likely for a travel visa or they'd been communication doesn't I but we know there was something that border force know that this was a spurious red notice and did they advise him of that? So that was part of questioning in Senate estimates comedian so on and we still think there should be some more economic but essentially the the. Who are responsible They're the responsible body for into Interpol internationally they won away that he had a protection visa on him. So the the various organizations, the various bodies within their strategy federal government weren't talking to each other the system broke down and the information flow and sharing between them simply didn't occur and they didn't now until he got there and it was fine public. Yes. that. that. All of a sudden all the kid has a protection visa then recently under freedom of information request. ABC actually were able to find out that the first response from the IFP body in Thailand was to ask, well, can we revoke his visa? That was horribly what that was the first protection visa prediction. So that was the first question that was sent by email. So look the system in the end we was fortunate. We're able to get him out, but the system didn't work and. Certainly, in future, we'd like to think we'd like to make sure that that's never going to occur to any other any other person particularities, Russia's becoming more influential and Interpol these days sending on more. Just Saudi Arabia, it's been abused. That's exactly. So this is what happened. So he got arrested in Tanah did not get on the tarmac. Pine she. She went with him and she ended up staying a few nights. I think the first week in the detention center at the airport in Bangkok with initially put him when they are trying to work out what to do. But he was arrested on the plane and I had a copy of his passport when he was sixteen years old back in Bahrain. So they communication between the ties and Bahrainis obviously was very close and when when they presented that to him all of these. Immigration a place from Thailand who boarded the plane and showed him that he knew that he is in deep deep trouble. What is the connection between? Thailand's and Bahrain does to the two governments assistance. This one he's financial in particular but essentially, it's between the two monarchies all the to royal families a talking to one another very much very close a long standing relationship between particularly with a relatively new king of Thailand. Who is very close to the Royal Family of Bahrain? So. On that basis, they have a close relationship. Then on that basis, information is most likely exchanged about his flight to Thailand and that's how he gets arrested in well in Bangkok. You we can only assume well, that's what I was told I went and this is all in the book but one of the moments in the campaign when I went to Bangkok in mid to late January. To find out information I met with a range of embassies range of different governments and quite a few of them said to me look we're doing our best way working at a diplomatic level directly with a toy government but we can tell you that's not gonna be enough and I said why would you mean what you need is a straining government doing enough and and the answer was no, they can do more but we're all working extremely hard. The the simple reality is is that the two are kings working together and that's what we need to crack. PODCAST. And broadcast. This is conversations. With. Richard Fajjar. He was GONNA be sent back to a strider at some points and. They told him that anyway. What happened instead went from the airport Bahrain, then send an email to them which under Thai immigration law is enough say that they were seeking his extradition and. Wall saw believe there's not an extradition treaty between the two, the relationship between them. So strong that I just exerted pressure and whilst in the first twenty, four, forty, eight hours, you know he got the news out firstly, he got he got onto the community in Melbourne. He got onto his friend they got the news, add immediately to some of the media and so on. which was really important that started a polluted public pressure on them. They of course, want to do these things as quickly as possible, and then in the first forty hours they thought something might be good and people in Australia including his club pesca valve at this smart and well, it's going to be okay and then when Bahrain exerted, they they muscle and they pressure then it it. He. He knew then that he was in deep trouble and he was after a few days, he was then putting the. Remain presenting Bangkok. When did you learn about all is I learned within about a week or just under week of him being detained did you know him? I didn't know I. didn't know him and I hadn't really heard about him. I. Know when he'd spoken out against the Shaikh Salman on you about some run for the presidency but I wasn't made across that story. But I quickly became aware of it but people range people from in the football industry reached out to me. I was kind of the obvious part of coal as refugee ambassador for Amnesty and Platform a lot of social justice areas. But what did you think when you heard the story? Is just. has this. In who's this kid they? It was quite a bizarre story. So hang on these kids in Melbourne, he's about rainy. He's done this. He's been tortured it. He's going on what he's honeymooners like you his end up in town. Well, how does he interested in Donlan and where Z? so He's in detention. How does that happen? He was supposed to be sent back to Australia what the Hell's going on. So, it took a few days to reach out to people getting touch with all of the organizations around the world in Raj Sport Unions and others and get some background info as to exactly what are gone. It sounded like defended you not just as a human rights advocate, but also is a soccer player as well. Well. That's right because you know the president of IFC was deeply involved in the case and had been involved in what had happened to him and that really offended me. It went to so many things I felt strongly about you know the protection of vulnerable people this was a refugee. is on a protection been tortured already. So even if it didn't matter if he was football I someone who we should all be standing up for, but I felt more obligated given the fact that you know I played for the country and people looking to me but also sport governance that the quality of people that are in. Positions of influence in Global Sport, not just football, but across all others and it was clear that some of those were. Constraining factors to him and that they may in fact, being involved actively in trying to get him extradited. So we needed to push back. So he started the bang, the drum sand, and gutting to generate some quite a bit of public interest in haven't the federal government when you speak to the Foreign Minister Marie Pain Maria was fabulous I. believe that she felt really strongly about it went when it occurred and I started getting involved I reached out a few context in the government and I wanted to get background on now I didn't know memories. And all of that feedback. was really positive that she was a good person and I believe she is Sheffield in my view. She felt very strongly about the case just from a personal perspective. And as she does about so many others. And she wanted to help. She had constraining political factors around one would understand and I think she knew, and certainly we did that we would need a public campaign to strongly encourage government and those people around her to have to be able to act, and that took probably a month or so to really or two months to get enough pressure, we're able to bring the Prime Minister Scott Morrison to the table. So you looked at the strategy participation in the Asian Cup. How were you able to leverage that? Is So in early December, when I got involved, it was clear about a month hence when Australia was going into that continental tournament and we were getting in his writing premiers but that was over in the UAE which ironically twenty nine was called the year of tolerance which was interesting. At the same time when you know these human rights defenders, one of particular head, he's. Had Johnson's appeal just around that time. So we quickly decided up that's a key moment of leverage to plan that campaign and also certainly now expert at it Brown learnt very quickly. We needed some of these commandments on Tyler. We looked ahead until next couple of months. What can we start to get prepared for and Australia going into that tournament was a really important one my first response was to saying, well, let's pull a team out. You know I'm a former chairman of Epilepsy Association and I was advocating lose a serious discussion. With the players. Of the Socceroos as to whether, we should be participating in that tournament as reigning premiers that would have been massive blow to the tournament. Yes that's right and it would have been in many ways controversial but this has human rights of someone who was based. Here's a man who is a player, who's a member of our football community and I believe that it should have been seriously considered for a number of reasons. Including security and others because some of those players playing in the Middle East and many of them want would like to play in the Middle East in future some of the young ones. it was it would have been problematic. Anyway they were discussions around that and in the end we decided that the best option was to know not not ask the players to to to become advocates publicly but to use the tournament sales to try and really rise the alarm, it seems like there's through strategies you can pursue here is to really pressure the Thai government's Yes. But we're doing that you risk not giving them room to back down. Okay. That's an issue. That's one thing that's the risk. You can just the hills in wall. Then it becomes an issue of loss of face like the other thing you can do is go through the soccer. He's lucky you about then as well. was that the more productive course ultimately to pursue it through. International soccer and local bodies. No both when necessary when it comes to the tar and also pressure on the Bahrain government both through diplomatic channels through all of the channels that we're able to leverage including through the boat and human rights, which is a relatively new body. Of the last couple of years by stat of Geneva, whose job is to work with governments around the world on the implementation of human rights policies through sport in favor, of course, have human rights policy now, which they failing to uphold the Nice struggled to struggle badly Paul game when it came to the Thai government that was always a huge factor was a huge. Opponent of pressure on all of us and particularly one that I felt a lot of people were saying, look the layout a, you are the more problematic. To do something but. behind the scenes always working with our range of diplomats from many governments in Thailand end over in Switzerland also with our embassy in Tehran and constantly getting Intel and information, and now assigned to them listen. This is the way that we think it needs to beat on a view taken alternate view at any point you need to let me now immediately, if you're hearing anything out of the Thai government, these could be counterproductive gets right on the phone to money and not can change the time. But do you think that this is the best way forward right now and even a former foreign Minister of Thailand who I met there all of the advice was you need to go as hard as possible because this military hunter, that's all they understand number one, and secondly because we believe they're all families involved the only thing that they are going to understand in this going to break this case for this kid is public pressure from around the world, it will not be done quietly. So you flew to Bangkok to meet a came the first time in. Bangkok prison. The prison. I found well, I was What. What's the term? I was nervous I was extremely nervous because. I worked with amnesty on the trip and I were concerned I'd get thrown out of the country are incarcerated one or the other don't forget to Mitch military. Junta Ron and human rights advocates including amnesty and others on the ground head had been deported in recent years, and of course, this this general who runs the government they. Deem view of human rights advocates to there was a real concern. I hadn't done anything like this before I turned up to with some television crews as well which we wind show or if you know if we're all going to be of found out. But I felt that if I met him on to get him to make some statements and then get into the media immediately and after that if they threw me out, so be it. So what was it like to prison? The conditions were. Ordinary. Then go inside and see the sales which authorized I I must have to because. You know people were warning me. You know be really careful about what you see know if you need psychological help, you're not can be traumatic for people I didn't find a winning It was extremely worrying ultimately gown to one much like I say on the movies you sit in, you sit behind a screen with the. Telephone. He picks it up. You pick it up and you can seem you know one made between you at his post picks in between and near shutting down this phone, you're in a room with about eight people, eight phones, and there's about six of these rooms and you go in you have a twenty minute period, the Bill Achy Guy. So I had twenty minutes to meet him to try and gain his trust to try and get some statements the. Communicate to him how many people were fighting for him. To try and. Provide him some hope and to try and get myself. Also a sense of you know if he had any any information that I needed to try to crack the case. You With Evan Jones from. The asia-pacific refugee rod since. I'd let him from the train from ninety s fiance his wife by now. What happened there with the Gina give him the lateral. Planned you know really. A clearly and systematically look at Mortga doozy's start with these with style. This throwing ship of show him some tweets I'll show him some high profile players who were standing to support and try and give them her. They will do this. Then I need to get them, show him the letter from. From his wife and then we'll. We'll talk about statement from and even had the later on I said even coming now and he even had had met him had been doing several times awake by that time. so he trusted him and when he saw me theme at least he economy. As BS. Stories rectify. That's right. So he he saw me with avenue. What's happening here? Evan showed in the later and Inet cleverly auden realized but his wife had written look. This is who craig is our contact with the aim you know I, trust him, trust him he's doing a good job eary's he's running a great campaign and give him anything. He needs that moment that was very touching because when I saw he, he read it it was really touched me emotionally. Because he was very scared and it was difficult to get through to him, he was he he just talked about how he wasn't eating is getting four hours that anyone sleeping on concrete floors. So He's trying to tell me the difficulties facing which was good but then he kept saying the content me back to Bahrain consomme back to Bahrain by they'll torture me and they're going to kill me. So he wasn't really hearing you would tell me. Campaign. And I showed him there. But when I showed him the play as all. He'd small and but when we showed him, then the letter from his wife, he just stopped and he kind of have stood up and he read it just hungrily through the loss and you of course, have these vertical I, n bars and so even had to keep moving the letter because you couldn't read all event right and as he moved it, you know how came was moving his head and and just watched him I I, sat there and watched him within the distance that I am from you like less than a made between us and I just saw a kid who was so incredibly desperate to have news of his loved one who hadn't saying for that Tom About six. who had little news of has she was and I saw just in that moment just vulnerable young kid who thought he was going to die and when I left the prison, I was ready to make this grand statement to the media and I just started breaking down. Emotionally. I. Didn't cry but I am I couldn't get the words out because I never seen someone in that top position. Then, you got the Stream cave divers, Richard Harris and Craig Challen. Harris has been on this program. Who rescued those tie boys the boys soccer team from the key underground the underwater cave credible whoever a lot of cachet in in Thailand. Is there anything those guys can't do? I don't think so. I don't think so but also bit reluctant to reach them because you know they'd already saved. Thirteen kids. And more. Yeah I didn't want them to feel as though anytime anyone got in trouble in Thailand I had to be called but work through the government and ultimately the ambassade all particularly Allen in Thailand did a great job with our very sensitive they. They knew that it could be counterproductive go as Cyrus within tie royal family, and also with the entire society that it could have gate could've gone negatively. So that were very sensitive in the way they did it was diplomatically handled quite brilliantly in the end it it my Evan was likely the deciding factor that just tipped everything over the edge. There was news footage of a came arriving at court shackled. Yeah. Shackled around the ankles and the wrists as well. Think. How did that go? Well. It was in one way was good that I did it because we needed the rest of the we needed the world on board and the night before Evan actually said to me will come tomorrow and just be prepared. He could be in shackles and. We're in the hotel getting prepared just flying in for the second time into Bangkok and we're having a meeting set. What time is it in the morning? Where do we go? Let's go early get our position and he said the anymore be shackled and I remain handcuffed he said now shackles on his ankles like like a convict from one hundred years ago and he said, yes, well, well, let's get there early get a position and bring fines because if that happens, we're going to show the world. So we we made sure we were they were now on was there. We got a prime position and just stood there and got the elbows. CEO. My now on could get too close and all I knew if that if he got off and that was going to happen at least Australia was going to say and ultimately that vision was I think what crack the case for him because there was a huge international pressure to say petit with Footballer Barefoot he wasn't a criminal. Rocky. Jay. Is An innocent. He you I you bring him in in this state and certainly the football world, which is huge and big plans all around the world reacted and said, okay now we get it and this isn't GonNa Happen Scott Morrison. React to debut Franco. What did he have to say that time he was fully committed and for whatever as we were heading into an election and the political pressures, and of course, don't forget what happened with pain. Border Force they had been a stuff up and we knew that and the government knew at Scott on, and so he decided that he needed to get active now and really give Maurice maximum support. So he called this before I I sent a tweet and I'm just heading in the second time that was the day after that guy that quote sexually and I said I'm heading into same now and his chief of staff I think it was called. Out on the fine and just say look we're doing our best we expected the so that might happen. And please pass on my best to him. So it was able to go in and tell him look you know you've got the foreign minister in the prime minister advocating for you. They were genuinely doing cyber on I'm kind of amazed at in in such little time you and others. Were able to. Get this incredible Sonam of supports for her came in the courtroom their representatives from fifteen countries there to sit there as observers you come with the Prime Minister the Foreign Minister of Australia, Full Mattei ministers as well Migraines national players on board it seemed to be put together quickly. Out of out of nothing, he asked you third in different embassies and different governments fourteen actually because Bahrain was sitting up in the back of the courtroom. They weren't part of that coalition look that was largely down to the sport and Human Rights Movement because Australia's position in this, I think on refugees and. Human Rights Record in in relation to that he's problematic and many of the embassies that I made in in. Thailand would bring that up and say, well, look where advocating to the Australian government for humane treatment of Assam say is as well and so that's something that's part of this mix. And I kept saying to them listen from my perspective. We just need everyone to help him as refugees out important to all of your governments as well safe passage of refugees and I gave my commitment to a number of them that once we got Hakim out safely, that odd rise, my voice here in Australia for humane treatment of refugees including is guys off shore which I'm doing now but the sport and Human Rights Movement including the Center for Sport and Human Rights in Geneva were big factor in that I would convene phone calls with a range of governments around the world that's their job and they kept them briefed they organize them and I were a big factor in getting oil is people in a court which was important. So, how did you hear that came was going to be released? had. A call from races office. And I'd spoken to the ambassador and the embassy in Bangkok about three days two days prior. and we we knew that there was a deal on the table and we knew that we were likely to crack it and we all went quiet. When I say we you know I asked a range of people who active on social media just quieten down and and to tailor the messages so that the government would know that that was possible and we all went quiet for a couple of days and then they wanna negotiate diplomatic negotiations going on and we thought within seventy two hours happen in the end that happened within forty. So then he wasn't a plane back to Australia where did you get? What did you get to meet him on the strategy and SULFITES GLOSS Boss Panel. So on the Eleventh Fab, he was released. A kind of a day ahead of time but it just happened extremely quickly that went into court. They said, look Bahrain is pulling out. You know they sent foreign minister over to Bahrain to see the royal family and and they had these negotiations randy's life, which is horrible when you think about it. You know the training of a young life in that way and they got him out they sent him to the airport. They put him on a plane and I flew down to Melbourne the next morning of the twelfth, the arrived and he walked into the room behind customs we were taking in there and we waited for him. He got off the plane, grab these bags and came in and just came out and gave me a hug and and thanked everyone for what Di had all done volume and Avon involved in the campaign. Didn't extraordinary job houses English is he is he? Get Bits and pieces of English, together yet. Yeah. It was good and he's having English classy works for football. Victorian human rights and refugee advocate ambassador for football. Victoria State Federation, which is wonderful He's having a further English lessons. He's trying to rebuild his football career, which is not easy because this is a number of years. Now of disruption and a number of the other fakes ongoing and lasting he's trying to deal with all those with these. Beautiful and really strong young wife and trying to move on from it as much as he can and do good in the community speak to refugees to the Muslim community in particular and also saying to everyone as say look the point about this campaign was this that there was no now unsaid buck. And what I mean by that is when we said to a strategy, let's go get these kids now and said Yeah County we get it bodies and Muslim. Now, inside Yay, we get bodies refugee on always said was he's a human being who's in trouble. He's the same as us and Wi fi first on the commonalities, not the differences and that's what a strategy should be about. I've seen pictures of him. Citizenship ceremony and with a bunch of people mary. Spain, was there with him as well? He looks like very, very very. Happy one we've been relieved I suppose if you feel safe now in Australia but he he's he has tremendous gratitude towards Australia as apply sees things really ardent speak for him. But from what he's told me, you know he just thinks eating straw replies coming in Bahrain. You know when he sees the way that marines acted and down to to say the prime minister, of course. And you know he saw the kind of the level of. How the LAVELLE. Ministers. In Parliament most of them, anyway I just the same as us. He was able to deal with him in that way, which is so different from coming from an authoritarian regime anything's extraordinary pice and he's thankful to everyone leaving that honeymoon in the end I he did actually he went up to Hamilton on. Something on was wonderful they had about ten days together, which was gripe. But that's one of the effects performance travel. He come to Geneva a couple of weeks ago to go speak at the UN which was nice. But there's work to do to to make sure that he saif in future that that Bahrain aren't going to continue with their campaign and that he's able to have safe travel like the rest of us are in the one. What a great story, what a lovely story with a happy ending and all these it's such a pleasure speaking with. Much. Spoke with Craig Foster in two nineteen, I'm Richard Fidler. Thanks for listening. You've been listening to a podcast of conversations with Richard. Fidler. For. More conversations interviews please go to the website Ab say dot net dot edu slash conversations. This is ABC podcast.
Accelerating Truth - FT#56
"Nobody has respect women than I do nobody Hillary Clinton wants to abolish it but labor she wants to abolish our second amendment like victory didn't deny it. I don't think anybody denied it. Other presidents did not call could write letters and some presidents do anything many people have come out and said I'm right you really do have to ask yourself where does it stop? Hello and to finish is trump podcast where we use the insane ramblings of a super calloused, fragile racist sexist Nazi post to explain knowledgeable fallacies on your host Jim. Host, mark a logical fallacy is an era in reasoning, the results in pad or invalid arguments, and the logical fallacy we're looking at this week is accelerating truth. Yes. So you might not have heard of etc haven't before and there's a good reason for that because it's another one that I made up and. You could actually say identified. All. Yeah that's a that's an excellent point when I write the paper on it. I densify this. Yeah. So this is this is something that I've identified as happening from time to time, which is when it's it's a slight variation basically on a proof by assertion. Arguments math nauseam where with ad nauseam it's people saying the same thing over and over again accelerating truth is where each time they repeat it each time they go back to the argument it becomes in that telling a bit more true and it's often based on the the assertion that they made before. There isn't there isn't new evidence coming in then they're changing their story on. It's like well, because I said it that now gives it some kind of. Exactly. Say. What you? Just now. Yeah. So fraught example back in May of two thousand seventeen. May. Sixteenth. Before, Robert Mueller was appointed to special counsel. In fact, the day before he had a meeting with trump in the oval office. Melissa says that he was there to talk to trump about the FBI director job because James Comey had recently been fired. Or removed from job and and he was there to advise on kind of what kind of person you might be looking for or what the needs of the job, how these F. B. FBI needs to move forward trump claims that muller was that to interview for the job in that many desperately wanted the job and the fact that he picked for the job was a big part of why he was so anti-trump and then you know conflicted when he was writing their. Oversee. Most of those. Calls of conflict went away after came back and said, no collusion couldn't trump released. Back, in of two, thousand, eighteen trump said this I had a nasty business transaction with Robert Muller a number of years ago. I said why isn't that mentioned? He wanted the job as FBI director i. mean these are things that are out there they know. Why isn't that and I didn't give it to them. Why isn't that mentioned? So at this point and he's just setting that. Came in he, he wanted the job and I didn't give it to, and that's part of this whole problem. A couple months later in another press conference, he said this is you know he wanted the job of the FBI director he didn't get it. So now it's become as you know as a thing that is generally accepted. Yeah. which is slightly more than just him saying it but then ferry the following year he said this on Geraldo Rivera's. Well. He said in Congress that he never applied for the job of the FBI director and now it's been proven that he did now it's been proven that he did yeah. Now proven now the additional evidence that that came forward during that time apart from denying under oath. Was The an administration officials said Oh? Yeah. He did. He did want to an unnamed. Administration official says, Fox News. Exactly. To folks news that he did. Yeah. There's also administration officials who specifically said he didn't like Steve Bannon who at the time said, no, he wasn't coming into interviewed for the job. Why isn't that mentioned? And memos from Rod Rosenstein at the time saying that he wasn't interested in the job and also the fact that he'd already done the job for twelve years and therefore legally wasn't actually. From all of that, we've got trump's assertion that he did that he wanted the job he was desperate for the job and that's why he was so conflicted and why he was so against trump and why he hired his thirteen to eighteen angry Democrats. Innumerable number and and also the the. The angry, the disagreeable business transaction. which is you know getting no getting not renewing is giving it was membership of his. It was an awesome for a refund of the unexpended yet months Melis- Melissa family moved basically they weren't gonna be able to use the membership of. Membership at trump golf course and wrote a letter to trump to see if they could get refund of the remaining amount and never heard back. That was the nasty business transaction. So. canceled. The direct debit and that yes. Yeah. Pretty. So. Yeah. So In retailing's when essentially from? I'm saying this is true to it's now been proven. True with nothing else really helping. Just. Are The things I've said have been attitude that things have been said. About this. Paul Public Record. But know. But somehow in his retelling outweighs over the other evidence all. Twelve years in job condo again, that kind of starved. Interested spoke to A. Very many other people who said no, he never mentioned it. Yeah. He would have had to himself to deny it when they when he gets nothing else of it if he. If he had said, yes, I was interviewing for the job. But it had effect on how I wrote my report. Yeah. So that wouldn't. It. All because at that point, he'd already said. We know we didn't find anything that we. Decided we could prosecute full yes. So it's up. Up Up until that point trump still thinks he's disagreeing with him. And now he's not accused him not found him guilty of collusion not they was able to. He's kind of trump's not taught about anymore. So until you mentioned Boulevard Gysi. Every now and again, he does say it used to be Russia Russia Russia. And now it's whatever. Coming into China China. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah is that a yeah weirdly time marches on. You just distract us from the the new cycle by fortunately an invisible killer virus does force and makes it very uncomfortable for which we enjoy greatly, and now is the time I. Think Marks British Politics Order. So today's example he's. Basically the question, can you hear that faint high pitched whistling sound up there in canine frequencies emanating from our politics of the moment will yet immigration is back when we first discussed this. Lately defined. defined. Fallacy I my thought was this is often what the media does. In creating. something. sufficiently. self-fulfilling to become a story and the current distraction from covid is this massive invasion of the dozen or so. People in a in a dingy escaping tyranny in war-torn areas trying to get to the UK and there was a news report done on ITV's news. Maybe the seventh or something like that they would when it was calm the seas mecom it was nice and warm and lots of a papal endangers who coming over from France sufficient for news. Media people to go out their own boats and film them doing just that. So one of the reporters. Who is Libby Weena this report this headline migrants must be returned to France says, has Pretty Patel and. There's a section in here where I think she uses her own assertion to form the basis of the truth of the statements she's ending the report with ministers wouldn't confirm today whether they are considering bringing in the navy. One concern is that their presence here far from acting as a deterrent might instead be a magnet for migrants. Those desperate enough to flee a war zone or extreme poverty more likely to see a royal naval patrol as their passage to safety than a threat. She think she's going from one of those. Proper media things where it said well, we've had. We've received no denial. The question of so she's saying that ministers won't confirm whether they are considering. So you think what? They're then so they won't confirm that they're considering it. So. Is that being they're not or they haven't received were more likely. Here's something I just made up Yeah Oh couldn't get an answer police not so they're not confirmed to pit like saying, well, remember when we were costing. Filmed and we cost film and we go around saying would John cleese hasn't turned us down? Yet. We did that was out and you know. So that's the equivalent of isn't it? They've ministers haven't I should say we said that as a joke not to trick anyone into being in it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He didn't. He didn't say Yes for the. Law Celebrities did tennis down say. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. But he didn't. Yeah basically 'cause he didn't confirm whether he was considering being in the power. So just never on Saddam. Yeah, so fundamentally. So she's going from this. This assertion ministers wouldn't confirm whether they're considering sending in the navy. Basically to. Intercept these tony boats coming from France. And and that goes all the way up to. So that becomes a truth. That the navy are going in sufficient, that migrants will see that as their passage to safety rather than as a threat. So. These kind of things you think well the. Reports is somewhat responsible for. Being a bit dog Wesley themselves because they kind of. Speculating on nothing whatsoever in order to make a point and adding white to the point by saying yeah migrants are likely to see that as a safe passage because on the various maritime rules if there is a a vote in trouble then. Whoever's nearest like whether whether they`re Not Their. They're duty-bound morally bound to rescue them from the sea and take them to the nearest port which if they're in English Wilson would be England. Great. Jim. Jumping in period of just no I'm good with that. That's. Next. On Yeah. So the next. Report see I'm yeah. See All. Am I going to argue? Tenuously just because I want to play the clip. Would argue he creates the truth. So he's this is a reporter asked by that. This is a no is the guy called Kevin Mills who's from the Border Force Union. We'll talk about that is in a minute. Off by the reporter. About whether this is Whether he's experienced anything like this for leading question and he goes from a not very convincing set of numbers with as if you just made the authenticity which leads him to the truth that these numbers are huge. It goes from I've never seen. It's about all the way up to yeah. These bloody terrible numbers have you seen anything like it will? Not. This not I mean I've seen large numbers having in. Lois. Ten, twenty, thirty, four eat lots. But. This is just consistent. This is. Fifteen sixteen up to fourteen vessel unless fifteen sixteen, seventeen vessels in a day. So this, this is huge numbers so. If. This was of course he was he said seventeen. Laid? Yeah. So he goes from these things said, yes well, obscene. Twenty thirty forty Laurie with his recessive are. Laurie. But this is just this is consistent. Mu We. Didn't ask about consistency we asked about size hugeness and then he says. Here we've got fifteen sixty he's stuck in the fifteen, sixteen, Fifteen, sixteen, forty. A. Jellyfish. In fifteen sixteen seventeen boats day we. Don't know. And you think, yeah why did you not challenge him on of these numbers but in a goal, he's basically because he's kind of his little bit of pulling plucking numbers out of the air has led him to say Yeah you're Roy I've never seen anything less. Leading questions to start with. The the real answer and an absence of him just making up numbers probably. Yeah it's quite low. Because actually, he isn't a member of the board of force it. When you watch the clip is standing on a short sleeve shirt and shorts. Looking a bit cash you know. So He's got no authority denoted by wearing a uniform in the baking sun. which you would think as a member board fos but isn't he works for the public and Commercial Services Union hence, the Union being of Union. His job is a group Assistant Secretary for public and commercial. Services Union and is area responsibility is border force. Okay. So basically, he's a, he's a Union Rep. FAW Border Force under the public and Commercial Services Union. So we can't say he works for A. Company that runs or is in charge of a lot of different unions for different organizations. Yeah. The Transport and General Workers Union, he works for and he's like. He's like a liaison essentially between that organization and the people who work for the border. Force. Yes yellow. He's kind of he is in charge of looking after their employment rights. Holiday rights sick pay rights those kind of. So nothing to do with keeping people out of the game. And he's a group assistant secretary. So Assistant to secretary possibly probably. Four. Nothing to do with that and he's only going from. Bunch of DAF numbers to. An he's lending. Third Party authoritative voice to an assertion being made by the journalist. This is yeah this is. Yeah have you ever seen it? So He's Giving somebody else the job of proving providing the evidence to come up with a sketchy assertion. Being assertive as truth is what she does at the end of the report self. But in this is earlier on, she's given the job to this poor sap who you know who they've disguised as having something to do with border. If if he's not involved in. Actually, in the front line of migration he it's probably true to say he's never seen it so bad he's seen it a total. And looking at the figures, the sea crossing spike in Summa when the water is calm so far this year had been three, thousand, nine, hundred and forty eight come by sea. Last year's one, thousand, eight, hundred, nine, but. The over the only figures I could finally worked for mortgage two, thousand sixteen, which might give us an idea of. The kind of figures, the Daily Express reported that two hundred migrants smuggled into the UK in lorries every week. So. That's ten thousand a year. Now as we know genetic fallacy prohibits us from assuming that those numbers are wrong just because they come from the Daily Express. Yes but. And also house critical thinkers we should consider the source. Yeah, and then possible motivation and the daily express for those who aren't in the UK is notoriously anti migrant pay. Yeah. It is and and notoriously pro brexit. The only thing they talk more about the migrants is Princess Diana yes. Still and the death of her death and how affects house prices? Yeah. It's interesting to look at the timing of the migrant crisis because reminds us of the the caravan of. The tug criminals that were coming. hoards of them coming over the hill from Mexico at the time in the midterms. For trump. So the last time so those numbers about the the migrant crisis with. Ten thousand a year coming by. was just around bricks time, and now all this coverage is happening because. Kovic because. You know ineptitude that stuff. Let's talk about that later in that. I Lord. All out. Cloud. Take. Do. John Lennon, they're Brenton about just give me some truth saying such things as I'm sick and tired of deciphering some thinly veiled Poli argued blatant walled fallacies. All under the truth just give me some truth. Nineteen seventy-one to grow that. They will head of his time. So. In the fallacy in the wild, we like to talk about the fallacy of the week from a non-political perspective. which will manage for at least two of the examples. The first one is actually kind of gave me the idea to completely make up slash. Discover this fantasy point. To and it actually was inspired by all kinds of extra show for patrons, the Cunanan Book Club because in the chapter that we're looking at the moment the you'll be able to hear about probably in a couple of weeks is a bit about Louis Carol. Oh Yeah. The whole Alison Diana. Yes. Yup Yup and they mentioned a particular BBC documentary about Lewis Carroll and because I am a dedicated person I watched the BBC documentary and I noticed this interesting thing because Ponsa documentary becomes bound whether Lewis Carroll was a pedophile. He had a relationship, a friendship with. Alice little young girl who he probably based on his own and her sisters, and there is there is certain evidence that. Depends, what context you look at it in. Convinces some people other people say Ashley, the kinds of photos that he took them and that kind of stuff was very cullman Victorian England and stuff like that. So I am not in any way making a judgment or an argument about whether Lewis, Carroll was a paedophile. In this section here. This is talk about a particular Foto that the. Program's host wanted to track down and see whether it was authentic. It was a photo that is. In a collection in France and it. Might possibly have been taken by Lewis Carroll in, it might've been of. Allah sister, and so she's she go to a fighter expert to look at it and see whether it was consistent whether the kind of photo is the processing an order that was consistent with the time that this girl would have been in Harari. Teens. And it starts off his what the the photo expert says when he has. Brown spots on his face. A very slow growing mold weight of to fake convincingly. it looks like he's got a very thin. Open, of course, his AAC white. Say. that. That's very thin. That's mortgage expect from the eighteen fifties eighteen sixty S. So, beacon ruled out. A fake. So we've established at the photograph was taken around the same time that Carol was seeing the little. No, you haven't. What you've established is it's not a modern fake. Yeah. Yeah. He's the the the expert says, it's not a modern fake this this kind of a fungus mold on their the is difficult to fake. The album is consistent with the fifties eighteen fifties, eighteen sixties. He. Doesn't say it was taken in the eighteen fifties rating sixty S. He says it's consistent with that. It's what we'd expect to see from that period and it's not a modern fake and that's as much as you can get from the experts said immediately, she goes to say it was taken around the right time. Z.. Album and was being used in the fight graphic process until the eighteen ninety. So it could have been kind of forty years after so. It gets quite a wide range that that gives you but it is consistent with the timeframe that they were looking at. Now about two and a half minutes later after she's done a bit of other stuff, she sums up what we know so far and says this now, no that was developed using the same processes have been used a similar camera and actually that it dates the period when Lorena little herself would have been a young teenager. So now she's saying we now know it dates from the period that this girl was a young teenager. So she's narrowed it down from potentially sixty seventy s down to like five years. The the period in fact, three years the period between thirteen and fifteen. Of this particular child with no additional ever do nothing has come a long Renault. Absolutely. But she goes even further than that because she's now saying you know we've Stan versus an, and here's what she finishes with. Fake, it's genuine photograph and it's from the exact period when little herself would have been a young teenager. So now he's the exact. Again, this is just another couple of minutes onwards. Nothing else has come up no more evidence has been shown but in the retailing, this has gone from the experts saying this is consistent with the time period and also. Unspoken, but it's also consistent with a around forty years either side. To her saying this is. This was taken in the exact period when this girl was a young teenager so What what the accelerating truth. Fallacy. Does. Is Provide. Evidence for the argument that you're making without there being any evidence, your so your asserting the argument and then your asserting the evidence upon which you're basing the argument. So there's no and you're saying, basically, we've shown this now we established a. Now. It's pre approved. When actually you haven't proved anything you've just said it and it's easy to get taken along with it. It's easy for people to kind of think. Oh. Yeah. I did they said in the previous scene so now I, yes, she's. alberson's. riddick play. If any stage with those subsequent assertions if she then took them back to what you want in kind of. Way Is the is the scientists to still be there in the background just look up and go. No. It's no sense so that hello sorry. Hello and Walk and put his hand over the camera. No that's not knowing what's going on and it's just and then you add the color portentous music and and kind of knowing as a side of the nose tapping tone voice going on with that say you say is all the proof you need is just preaching to the converted. That's what did I. Say in one of the one of the other kinds of techniques that she uses in this. When she talks the experts, she asks their opinion in the expert opinion and because they're experts, they say, well, you know identing, we have enough evidence to show or the other but but then she kind of keeps going says, you know, what do you think? What's your gut say? and. Then, and then that's presented as if it's the experts opinion. Yeah. Probably is that. Even the experts opinion based on the fact that they don't. You know there is an insufficient. The experts decision is there Decisi judgment on what the tells you you know it's not even kind of filtered through and this particular expert when poached. Said grudgingly conceded the that might be a point of view the one could take up. Your asserting something based on your road you've decided already and now you're making it look like. There is objective truth. But it is no making it more and more objective with each. Repetition of at the end she was honest. In representing the information, they had what she would have been able to say was we don't know who took this. We don't know who it's all. We can tell it's in the right century for for what we think might have happened. And at the time, lots of people were using similar processing in cameras 'cause they weren't that many to choose from it was just get out of boots and get a different kind of camera. So it's consistent with what we suspect but beyond that, we can't be sure anything. It doesn't it's not as good a story is Not, complete. No. Story at all is that second example is. Political because it is a tweet from a person called Denise. This is about a story that was in politico when former senator Chris Dodd, who was on Joe Biden's vice presidential search committee. He talked to politico about Kamala. Harris. Because was obviously in the the running to be veep and he said that he asked her about her ambush on. Biden in the first democratic debate when when she basically. Said, she knows that he's not racist but he did do these things that didn't help the black community basically. Doled. said she laughed and said that's politics she had no remorse. which. Is completely fad. Because it is politics. That's the one of the weird things is you have the primaries and you have to, you know get those those people standing up who were on the same side all competing against each other. They all going to be negative about each other by definition they're going to have to bring out anything they can say is not good about the other people and then they're going to have to work together because they're on the same. Complaint about the whole that whole circus for that time wasn't absolutely. So to stand out, you've got to be shooting down the other one that stands out. Yeah. Yeah. So that is politics. Why should she have any remorse for it but anyway, people started talking about on twitter and this person called Denise said most likely come the leaked a made up story to politico so that people could feel sorry for her I doubt that came from Chris Dodd. The vetting team has kept a tight lid on the process all the more proof that she can't be trusted. She brings nothing to the ticket and can't be trusted. So this person has just totally decided. There's Probably it was probably coming a making this up. Yeah, and then said, that's proof that she can't trust. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then I know. Not all the more proof. This note. Saying something and says, she can't be trusted for sure she brings nothing to become. Here. and. She votes. From most likely to definitely com. Yeah. Mostly and that's proof. Yeah. Kind of think that's just twits rollovers. Down the and you just you know if you're looking logical fallacies. Twitter just go there. So our findings dumping section comes from one of the best podcasts of all time is be reasonable which is made by our good friend Marsh. York, the show be reasonable is where most talks people whose beliefs are outside of the mainstream he describes it as they are they are nutters and he doesn't. He doesn't say that that's me. Just be clear that he does. He talks them in a very reasonable way. He listens to what they have to say and what they think the evidence is that shows that they are writes about things ask them you know strong critical thinking questions but doesn't argue with them about it and in doing so gets really interesting conversation and gets to find out why these people believe what they believe. And it's a it's a fascinating and yet incredibly frustrating show to listen to. Is when they say stuff, you constantly think y'all God that's nonsense you should say something. But of course, if you just say, well, that's bullshit and here's why then you don't get to hear what they bought their tobacco reasoning is yeah. Yeah. So what do paying out enough rope so they can hang themselves is that yeah. And it's really it's a lovely show and strongly recommended. This was an episode where he talked to a guy commenting who is an alternative medicine proponents and he believes that viruses don't exist. Basically it's all protein particles that we're creating our own bodies in true cancer as well, and all kinds of different stuff bound. So here's something that he said about HIV all people who also auditable nighttime. V. Within two years, they will test negative. How they overcome the problem. Which shows also shows you the HIV. so-called viruses actually created my own body so it doesn't. Doesn't show you that. But but even if it did even if there was some logical progression between those two things, the assertion that people who test positive for HIV will test negative in two years is just an obsession. It's not to anything. He doesn't attempt to back it up by anything and if you look you can't. But then he uses that. He uses as proof or as as as evidence. To show that viruses are created within your body and not actually external things that the attack you. But it's just something he just said it's not that it's not. Science or real or anything like that. Marsh points our he said I'm fading to see the joint. Clean. And your premise and your conclusion maybe not using those words because I think that would confuse him but. Then point out. Okay. Where's your evidence to say that HIV disappears the? Difficult thing about listening to be reasonable in the difficult thing I think partly for marshes where is the is the because it's a Beta fish Gallup often. Raucous in if he gives them the space to say you know several sentences, they'll say several things that are nonsense. So he can't leap on everything so. In this section about HIV this is this is from I. Think. I WANNA say episodes sixty three and this whole section about Hov. The Guy is essentially saying that it's the symptoms that we call HIV argue to stress. It's not the virus to and if people land deal with their stress than it goes away rand and so a lot of what marsh was focusing on in the sanction was. Why. was there so much stress in the gay community in the eighty s right and I'm where where was that stress? Why didn't people who were stressed before that? Exhibit Symptoms Yeah why now people so much better at dealing with stress that there's a lot less of it about. and. You know all of those kinds of things saying you know if if your premises this while we saying what we what we expect to see. Any areas where there's lots of stress. You would see the symptoms you know why? Why is this much more stress in Uganda now than there is in neighboring countries and things like that. So really good reasonable critical thinking questions the the point out the flaws in the argument without being confrontational. So Yeah. Good. Is Good. It is quite interesting to hear him on on his on these other show. Talking about the stress he goes through when Get. Constantly lecturing about flatter thor's and he's got stuff but he's sweaty kind of he does get to. Because it must drive in knots and if you're so is nice hearing him decompress about that elsewhere so that All. Of that shouting at the radio. Shouting at the radio, show the podcast cost that we do when listening to that show. He got he does he pulls that up. Let's out an account of Tom and Jerry Conway shouts all into the bag. To other podcasts let's all out there. So we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA play Fake News folks I love the game it's a great game I understand the game as well as anybody as well as anybody yes. It's time for fake news the game or read out three trump quakes, two of which are real and what I made up and mark has to figure out which one is fake news. Can I just point out that the law of average is probably dictate some reflection there's no reason I'm losing, which is all the more reason why should be winning? So as you can see a major winning Right I think you've established that. Yeah. So the theme this week is actually these these a much shorter than our usual quakes. And and they are all examples of times when trump has tried to take the pace out of Biden's cognitive abilities and while doing so made mistakes of his own display, his own like I really really. Yeah. Statement Number One. We need someone shop I mean you look at Joe Biden nor sleepy Joe like him he didn't interview any forgot the name of the of the of a very important person you know who I'm talking about. Statement number two. The worst is when he's in like Indiana and he says, it's great to be with the people of Florida and you have palm trees all over the place, but he does it all the time. Right and statement of the three. Most of the end ninety-five masks were distributed during the end one h one. Now you know who says that right and one h one who says that sleepy Joe Biden remember he said the N. H. One I said, isn't it the other way round? Right so you the problem with this being nice and short that is just the right link for for Jim to riot trump size gag. And I'm convinced me to choose that one. I quite like the. The the Joe Biden one is just is the sleepy Joey. He didn't even forgot the name of the of the. That's Reminds you the The one Oh. Yeah. So he said I could do this memory test. Icon what is called? You know the one. I'm. Versus. When he's Indiana credit to be the people further and yet poetry's. But he does it all the time. They're just to be clear. There aren't palm trees in Indiana, yet they're all in Florida. Okay. I able. I. Convinced by the palm trees one and the. But Oh, boy named. To. Say, H One n one. Guy I think number. Three is the one you made up. Okay. So the other two you'll you you said you're quite convinced by the palm trees one. Unity. Okay. So number two yeah is. Real the worst is what he's in like Indiana. and. He says it's great to be with the people of Florida and you have palm trees all over the place. But he does it all the time. So basically up Indiana and Florida while taking the pace out of someone for mixing up in the Florida it's pretty impressive. And there's that gap where you just realize you. But he does all the time. Yeah. Yeah. No crowd reaction. They. kind of nobody gets it like I. Wait a minute we're in. What We. Don't why he thinks the cognitive ability thing is the thing to hammer home on that. So bizarre and why is no one told him? No, this is not really. Walking of raises. Isn't an going. Yeah. All Yup of all the things you know being. An incompetent with weird hair that's the stuff you'd want to avoid talking about yeah yeah. You also think the number one, Israel? And number one as is. Fake News Oh no I swan. Does. Very. weirdly much more convincing. Than The H. One. Oh my God. Say this. This one he was he was reading this as well. This wasn't like in his head he mixed it up, he take revealed in reading it and not. Just during the he's reaching now, this is this is how it sounded and listen for when he realizes he's made a mistake and thinks how do I spin this? Most of the ninety five masks were distributed during the. N One. H One who says that right? And one H who says it sleepy Joe? I. Remember you said the in one h one I said the other way around. WHO It who is it? Not, me. You Dope. Written Down On a briefing. So whether we show. Yeah. It was I can't read be ever resist briefing before he gets to the lectern. No see doesn't realize this stuff's been written down by people who work for me. So I ought to just review out and not take the piss out reroutes, else should be the other way round. Idiot. Which means unfortunately. On. Really what? I want you to. Him Up in a cassette boy kinda way. To make him say that because it will be it's so close. Isn't it? It's perfect. Is the he did the thing I took the last bit from when he was introducing Anthony Kennedy talking about Anthony Kennedy. And I think he might have been right next to him and he said you know I'm and wits talked about Judge Antony. You know home talking about. Again. He does that thing where you he puts the blame on other people he said you. Don't need me to finish that. You know it. You know this stuff and in in that way everyone feels included and part of the gang and go Yay. We know we know talking about we've never seen before. But yeah we know thanks for trusting with that with that knowledge. Thanks for knowledge ing that we are as knowledgeable as you are. And you're one of us and we one of you. Kristen. Monitors lose. That's a very good one. So. It's time for the part of the show. This week at least is called eleven stitch is not a logical fallacy haven't seen. For years. Came back, and this is really interesting actually because this is a story, the specifically links pizza gate to me personally over. A Hey. All. The proof you Q-. Jim, all the time. So yeah. This comes from a facebook post by a guy called that will learn a yeah a gyco Keno Willoughby. And he's noticed as a few people have noticed that Disney have updated, they learn stitch but when they started streaming on Disney plus right? Is Different from the DVD version. He shot video of it and I'm GONNA play the video I've edited it slightly because there's time where he's messing around trying to get to the right PA the film's got rid of that bits and when he talks about the DVD, this is a scene where Leila is hiding from her sister that the she's kind of assistance angry with her she's hiding and in the DVD version she hides in A. Drier and in the Disney plus version, there is a wooden table with a pizza box underneath it and the kind of the pizza boxes is making kind of a door. Okay. For the table. So that's what he's referring to when he talks about the DVD version and the the Disney version though so we see this year facebook he was talking about appeasing gave Disney's Swedish. Those right this is the DVD. This is the part used to be. y'All see dryer. Is. Never going to go to Disney plus. Disney crooked anyway get rid of Disney clothes don't support them. Wash with everybody knows about pizza. And they've been doing. Same part is opening isn't. Wherever to the drive in the peace of Basel there. No. Tell me this. Jahnke can't make this over. So I'm going to explain this shit. And, yes, you can't make this stuff up. Since two thousand, sixteen. Yeah. He hasn't made up the fact that. The scene making the link with pizza. Yeah the tax that he posted with. It was boycott Disney pedophiles we have the original movie and Disney plus made updates. Tell me your why this is there. It's not real weight. The fuck up I will be deleting my Disney plus account Hashtag safe the kids. So for those who don't know what pizza is it's an old conspiracy theory that kind of roll into Q.. says the elites around the world especially, Hillary Clinton are pedophiles and they use pizza and cheese and other food items as code for what kind of child pornography that talking about based on the idea that cheese pizza has the same initials child pornography basically. And then like pastor is little girls and hot dogs is little boys or something I. Don't know all the details but. It's yeah. They've decided that when John Podesta, who is one of a person who was emailing Henry was talking about food in his emails he was actually talking about children and trafficking and sex, and all of that kind of stuff, and it's just a code that they use. It's obviously nonsense. It's it's been debunked widely it's is not true but Cunanan believers still maintain a lot of the same beliefs and pizza gates's this this thing. So his assertion is that the reason that Disney changed the scene from a dryer to a table with a pizza box yep is as a signal to pedophiles. Probably cut the Disney is also paedophile. All something obvious. They're and they're all like support for them or at an Brian Anyway Roy. Here's the real story. Two thousand two was when Leland Stitch came out. Yeah. I was working at the British board of film classification at the time the BBC. BBC is the British version of the NPA they they classify films, videos, video games the time as well. For for age ratings for cinema and for DVD release. and. I happen to be on the team that classified loan stitch coup Yup. And it was pretty I. Love. The film is really get most Disney films like this tend to be a you which is in the UK it's universal means you anyone can watch it and it's particularly suitable for for children. It's ideal for kids to watch even if there isn't a parent around. The. Next one is parental guidance. PG. With means that we would expect at least the parents would have some input into making the decision of whether to say there with their kids all decide that kids are old enough to watch themselves or whatever. The problem with this scene where Alito hides in the dryer is that it may be different in the US I don't know because of the types of as you have all. But in the UK certainly when it when you put clothes in dryer new shut the the dual. There's catch clicks and it locks and you can't get out. And kids have died and tumble dryers. So you don't have close to full out of their own accord not so you would look at it from the outside yet. Yeah. So encouraging or not even encouraging presenting it as a safe activity. Yeah. To to hide inside a tumble. Dryer. It struck me particularly but also my colleagues as a potentially dangerous activity. One of the things that I had as as a kind of area of expertise during be was what we called imitable behavior, which is behavior which is presented on film s appearing to be safe but actually if he did it in real life would not be safe. We talked in that about things like explosive recipes. Where there are some films where it shows the people making an explosive device and it shows all of the things in the steps and things they do that police tend to ask us not to include all of the steps because they didn't want to show people how to do it whereas films like fight, club where Tyler Durden said, did you know you can make napalm in a bathtub using concentrated orange juice? Is. That's nonsense you can't do that. So that's fine. They were allowed to do that for us to stop doing that. So part of my job was at times to look into staff and see whether it genuinely would would be dangerous if attempted whether the. Whether a program showed all of the steps needed to hot wire, a car or all of those things. Yeah. These strategies Gary out as. Did you go in research and that's all I will say. A lot of cars where. Soho Square. The thing is this this information which was readily available on the Internet in the most special even in in those days of the Internet, the Kisco with something. But I don't version of. The, arguments at least. I think it holds up I. Think it's a reasonable argument was that to find that stuff out you had to actively go looking for on the Internet. If you wanted to know how to pick locks orrick our make explosives whatever you could find out, you had to go through steps to do it. What we were trying to avoid was like broadcasting that information putting the the information in cinemas where people weren't nothing that that was going to come up knowing that they were going to get information they weren't getting looking for it unequally. put it out on DVD and stuff like that. So avoiding having a scene where it appeared safe for child to H- to play, hide and seek or whatever. In Tumble Dryer For us for me especially, because my my colleague that I was classifying the phone with said, maybe it will be okay at PG I was I was strong. The I knew that there had been cases of kids dying in joins I know it's true in a in the US, as well as UK and and this probably wasn't something that Disney won't be putting out at. This level that universal where parents weren't even necessarily going to be in the room to say, you shouldn't do that, and of course, we come from your childhood childhood included. Public Service. That would go on and on. About not playing on. Refuse sites where. Nicolaas. Climb into a discarded fridge. Freezer because they would shot and you get stuck, you know and absolutely, and in fact that that was a factor because the guy who was running the BBC at the time or at least at the time when I joined I, don't if he'd moved done by this point was rubbing deval, who who one of his previous jobs had been running the public information films service for the government. AM So he he was very clear that. Things like hanging scenes, for example, was another thing that we would often. Look, very closely at the mummy. Where there was a scene where the main character Brendan Fraser was was hung and in the original version, he hung for quite a long time and was then taken down was fine afterwards and was like running around and we cut the amounts of time that you see him hanging because we wanted to make to to not make it appear that that was a safe activity and a fun game that you play. So, things like that were taken seriously at the board at the same. It was something that I looked at and said, this is something we need to take seriously and if if Disney won't so you for it. They are going to have to make a change to the scene so we spoke to Disney. And they said good point didn't think of that. They didn't change it in the US initially, they said that they would probably reanimate the scene for the whole for the world essentially. As it turns out they didn't they put out the question again, that may well be because drivers in the US different than less likely to have that problem bots for the UK version they they reanimated and what they chose to do. If you look at the two scenes side by side, they are the everything else about the room is identical. The table is very similar in dimensions to the to the drier oleg done is basically kind of drawn over that part of the image, right? Yeah. And they replaced the the opening door of the drier with deliver pizza box because. To who knows, but that was done in two thousand and two way before any talk about pizza. Yeah it was done because of me I made that. The reason. So I'm the reason when in two, thousand and twenty. decided to stream their films into people's TV's through Disney plus they decided to use the reedited version rather than the trump dry version. Again, I don't know the reason they made that choice. It may be that Dr Dryers have changed over time in the US, and now you're more likely to get stuck in I. Don't know that's pure speculation on my part but for whatever reason they chose to use the UK edited version for their Disney streaming service. Roth on the US theatrical DVD version that they previously had. So. Really. So you can from first hand at source debunk. Because vigorously theory absolutely your very cool and. Very, cold. And finally some things we really don't have time at all about Joe Biden has finally picked a running mate and it's coming Harris. Since Joe will be the oldest president to be inaugurated next January his veep pick could be even more important than usual and while I, did say after the first debate that color would be the nominee I'll take this as a consolation prize. Following the announcement Republicans Sprang into action half them claiming she's a terrible choice because she's the most liberal senator by far the other half claiming she's a terrible choice because she's not nearly progressive enough to please the. Progressives. Geez it's not like this was completely out of the blue they've had months to figure out exactly why they're terrified of the smart strong accomplished women of Color. Tucker Carlson. Did a whole segment on how ridiculous it was. The people would actually expect to pronounce her name right but then that's fucked class no live a really. Meanwhile someone's been reading the Old 2016 trump playbook trump campaign legal adviser generalists pushing the obviously bullshit theory that color isn't technically allowed to run for vp as her parents went US citizens seriously birtherism again, there's something similar about the People Republicans claim onto. American enough to be president I just can't put my finger on it. Retired army, Brigadier General Anthony Data and novelist former state government official and Fox News regular which might indeed tell you all. You need to know about the character of the man no. Okay. Then there's all the now deleted and regretted Islamophobic tweets calling Obama a terrorist leader and referring to Islam is the most oppressive violent religion I know of among other less than uncontroversial statements. Anyway. He's done the right thing and withdrawn his wish to be considered for the post of Undersecretary of Defense for policy? Fair enough. Not, a sense of duty or decency though the Senate. Armed Services Committee canceled his confirmation hearing literally minutes before it was Ju- As and I quote members on both sides of the aisle of raise serious questions about this nominee not to worry because trump just hired him as a temp. A freelancer. Work if you will just filling in as the official performing the. Of the Deputy Undersecretary of Defense Policy, which is not giving him the role. Oh No. Just doing the things he be doing if he wasn't roll which he isn't. As Committee Chair Jim off of Republican even said, they didn't have enough information about to consider him for the position not. So trump heck TATA's loyal. It's a bit dog Wesley Malleable just is Kinda guy plus someone's gotTa stop making him rose into the record numbers of vacancies that are a and the Defense Department on trump. Rem Get older William Baron. There's jobs need filling two weeks ago. The fake news game feature to clip from Jonathan Swans axios interview with trump at that point would only seen the trailer but then they showed the whole interview and holy. Shit. If you thought the Chris Wallace into you important or the person woman Man Camera TV one or the Lester Holt one where he confessed to obstruction of justice. Okay. Trump has a lot of turbulence interviews to choose from is what I'm saying. But in this one he doubled down on his well wishes figurine maxwell questioned the effectiveness of the civil rights I lied about the number of people attended his Tulsa Rowdy complained that John Lewis didn't go to his inauguration claimed that the manuals say you can do too. Much testing for coronavirus if only someone would read them instead of over one, hundred fifty thousand American deaths it is what it is. He also came prepared with a handful of loose printouts of charts to either a third grade world jared Kushner made which cherry-picked data and countries to show the US is lower than the world. If you only look at very specific categories and told Swan, you can't do that when he tried to compare capita debts, the whole thing made one of his daily coronavirus briefings look well well-thought-out. It was terrifically level. Wasn't it? was just nonplussed that say Williams now Jonathan Swan just looking confused. Just saying to him well, no, that's not what I'm saying. Actually doing what reporters should have been doing for four fucking years. When I was a kid in primary school break time, he used to go round in a throng arm-in-arm chanting join on. Me, and then when we gathered enough people, we have battles roamed the scientists who as Florida's governor let me remind you is presiding over state where the number of children with covert has gone up from fourteen thousand to forty thousand in the last month is basically playing that game we played his eight year olds in a pep talk slash veiled threat. He exhorted school staff to view the upcoming beginning of a new term like a navy seal operation against Bin Laden and like the seals surmount obstacles to bring corona virus to just no way. To find a way to provide parents with a meaningful choice of in person instruction or continued distance learning not she doesn't use and between the two choices, oh. Yeah and also notice he's making a preposterous comparison Osama bin. Laden. One Guy Compound drones night-vision Navy Seals, remote cameras, heavy weapons, vastly outnumbering deadly force et Cetera et cetera versus invisible highly transmissible even if I is symptomatic catchable and transferable between children and adults Oh, and high fertility rate yielding virus. Yeah. Meaningful choice I choose to keep the kids home to the number zero. Thank you. Or until after the election where a more humane and person centric policy might be enforced. I think you're being very unfair. I think you'll missing a a distinct connection between the seal attack I saw him with bin Laden's compound and sending kids back to school. What you're forgetting is the the government in both cases accepted that some people will die. That's true. Yeah. That that's the clear comparison. Unspoken really isn't it at a certain amount of death is acceptable is accepted these two things to hyphen yeah and but I don't know whether I think they. Obviously. Exponentially. Different amounts of deaths that succeptible. But he's probably as a percentage of operations versus his personnel the percents probably about the same probably about the same. Yeah. So that which is absolutely fine. Take it back. Yeah. After voting to acquit trump Senator Susan Collins said that she thought he learned his lesson as we keep finding out the lesson he learned was that he can get away with anything even when he publicly admits what he's doing. On Fox business on Thursday trump said that he would withhold additional funds from the US Postal Service because they need that money in order to have the post office work. So it could take all of these millions and millions of ballots but if they don't get those two items that means you can't have universal. In voting but withholding money isn't the only thing. Trump is doing to destroy the postal service since installed Republican donor Louis to joy as postmaster general in June to joy has slowed down mail delivery and at least one thousand nine states reorganize the structure of the postal service to centralize power around himself by reassigning displacing twenty three postal executives instructed post offices to no longer treat election mailers, first-class band overtime, frozen hiring, and is now removing mail sorting machines from facilities around the country with no official reason or explanation given. Trump is openly trying to interfere with Americans ability to vote. Perhaps, we should listen when he keeps yelling about this election being rigged within the development sector where I work US aid is known is a big hitter with a sixteen point eight, billion dollar budget being used across the world helping developing countries tackle problems with hygiene, sanitation, gender, equality rights, and freedoms somewhat ironic. Then the White House liaison ex White House liaison to US aid merit. Corrigan was making comments about the US. Being devoted to a tyrannical lgbt agenda and tweeting that female empowerment is a civilizational collapse. Among others at the very least the poll fit role. Wise at US aid I. Think you'll agree. So she got fired at times like these. We need a crusader for rights and a champion for the underdog hero who will stand up the oppressed exactly. What Mary when she contacted friend of the show how come we've not heard of him. He must have been jail drum roll please Jacob Wall you're. Right. Buckle out walls here is going to get we it. Corrigan stater of wall. Yeah. North since tweets accusing high-ranking members of the White House in US aid staff of soliciting prostitutes as you do she's due to turn up to Wallace Societas and fellow Nutjob Jack. Bergman's house for oppressor. Guess what she doesn't show Jackson surprise. She rejects tweets and then says wall stole her phone and sent the tweets and states due to navy and inexperience I became involved with people who abuse my trust on be claimed they were working in my interest I became powerless in a situation and I regret not reaching out to people who better or could help me. It's also familiar merit. You should call it I we would've put your right straightaway meanwhile diner rotting Joe Berkman Awal continue to walk free to spread Bat Shit at large quick to the shit but remember with incompetence and their responsibility comes staggering insignificance. They still held that press conference without her early. They've done that before and yeah and then claimed that she was claiming she'd been kidnapped but that was ridiculous by that by them. By them right. But they were saying it's ridiculous but she didn't claim that she hadn't made. So they would like we haven't. And the proof that she wasn't there. Is. Even, look even more suspicious. We haven't kid wherever she then. That zero. You saw this question. He's not kidnapped that we've not locked her in a trunk put in the basement. Where is she? You know if you state that you go we have kidnapped here. She is right here. Nobody said you had. Until that we thought that and now she isn't here. Maybe you have now we think maybe you need. Accelerating trade. Two weeks ago on the day, we recorded the last episode, former presidential candidate Herman Cain died from coronavirus, which he most likely can trying to trump's Tulsa rally. If you only get your news from this podcast and who can blame you. You'd be forgiven for not knowing that Cain was dead especially if you also follow him on twitter because in a twist that just sums up two thousand, twenty, Herman Cain is tweeting from beyond the grave on Wednesday afternoon his account starts tweeting content attacking Biden and Harris as well as Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer while still using canes name and Avatar finally late Thursday the team now running here the account to change the name and damage to the Kane gang a bizarre named apparently Herman chose himself. Pre poll news only one sentence this week to explain Boris his activities highest excess death rate in the world impending deepest recession since two thousand, eight no sign of promised economic up lands post brexit falling popularity in the polls no world-beating track and trace system visible no payrolls for medical key workers never mind cause. 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Thursday 9/5/19 - John Hughes Movies
"R._e._i. Bay make this thursday september fifth chicago dog walk guests the day his captain cons the co host of zero block thirty barstools military podcast cons cons. How are you. I'm doing well. I'm doing very well. Let me tell you. I am excited number one bang bang. I told you on the jump street. I was like any put that on a t he sure when you say bang bang i get excited. I like it but the reason i'm excited is because i love when i have an opportunity to be part of content at barstool tool that i consume myself so i listen to this show every day. I don't miss it. You guys have had some interesting characters and i'm happy to be here. Thank you for having love. All of it. Were very happy to have you. I'm glad you're listening. That's great you know people who understand the show and everything search again absolutely when i come through town obviously i'm in new york right now. My nana come on the show. We'll we'll find a topic and <hes> yeah so yeah. I mean is there. The military podcasts obviously went to west point so we have like a literally smart guy on here right now. Well that got. Everybody fooled doesn't do they take people because a football do they do the hold average out move. I mean we get people in who maybe would have a harder time getting in without football or any sport for that matter but i think getting you in the doors one thing being able to survive and get a degree as a different thing so so data and all about best friends with their grinder man the whole mini fridges a privileged in year two year three. It's just a wild wild ride but i know you probably talk about that every day on your podcast what is <hes> zeba to come out and cvt tuesdays and thursdays and you're right. I am also number or to reason excited. I like to talk about topics other than the military sometimes yeah so today. We're gonna talk about <hes>. We were kind of going back and forth with like. Should we do nineties movies. Should we just do we should we pick up and ultimately we landed on john hughes movies yes yes so. You're a big fan huge. I mean chicago guy. John hughes obviously obviously all in on him and just i mean he is the he can enough credit for being like the ultimate teen movie guy like i think he introduced that the teen genre genre in the eighty s. I think anybody who knows movies. You had reread sitting here with us. He would know who john hughes. I think you say john hughes his to an average joe walking down the street. They may not know but i don't think you can run down. John uses category or excuse me filmography of movies and have people not know at least just a few of them now. There's there's no way because right off the bat. I mean breakfast club end which i'm going to get into it. I like if you're not at least somewhat familiar with either of those right. I heard on another planet. I mean listen. Listen is list of movies. It started in nineteen eighty. Two class reunion never saw that he goes mr mom vacation then he goes sixteen candles breakfast club european vacation weird science pretty in pink ferris buehler's day off planes trains and automobiles. She's having to be great. Outdoors uncle go christmas vacation home alone dutch curly sue and then it goes on from there but i mean what that is just a murderer's row lineup of movies. It's incredible. It really is so. What do you think what's the best way to gather around us. We wanna talk about like our top three or top five to we just want to go through a couple of them. What do you think i would like to hear what your top op three. John hughes movies are my top three okay so obviously i instantly thrown ferris bueller in there right. I mean that just that puts chicago. Go in just in all time great spotlight. Oh beautiful like that. Wrigley field seemed where he's just sitting there. He gets the ball and you know right. After i forget it. It's either either the principal or as father like just like ashley what the score is an incredible scene nothing. Nothing and i think that's a great example starting out with ferris bueller. I think that's the a great example of why people love john. Hughes movies so much is because they're so relatable especially for teenagers who among us doesn't want to ditch school in high school one day senior year and just have a whole day to themselves. Go to the ballpark go to a nice launch. Go to a museum. See the city you you know being a parade. It's just that is something that everyone can imagine so. I think that's why you relate to it and it's interesting. If you look at all of his movies they're all pretty much set in the mid west and he always said he always felt like that was more relatable to more people than if it had been in hollywood or in in new york city encino. Yes like going up in chicago or nebraska indiana. You know these countries the midwest you're not gonna. You can't really picture what life is like in yorkshire. Sure can certainly picture. You know what life is like in some of the movies. He's he's made for sure so i haven't looked it's like i've never actually ranked at myself but let's do top five. Let's go five for five. We'll go down the list <hes> so i i agree though i i was that was a great way to start itsel. All i kind of in my fifth spot. I'm i wanna go planes. Trains and automobiles love it. A lot of people think like is that one of the only thanksgiving movies rieser is no. You know it's funny. The only other thanksgiving movie i can think of is another jon allen dutch. Okay okay with eh one. Okay you have to it's ed o'neill is dating this woman and he agrees to go pick up the woman son at boarding school down in georgia asia and drive him back to chicago that week and they thought road trip what better way to bond with someone and then just all the kid hates them in the beginning and then they encounter some troubles and then they really have to come together and they obviously grow to develop a relationship and it's very funny along the lie and most we will only know ed o'neill now for <hes>. Excuse me a modern family obviously before that married with children but this this was a really good movie that yeah i'm going to have to check that out that full disclosure. I'm gonna put this out there too. I have not seen the molly ringwald one's pretty in pink sixteen think candles. I have not seen okay. There are off my border force because i haven't seen him buddy. I'll let you go and take your fifth spot my fifth spot. I'll i'll start with the one i just mentioned and these are in no particular order. I'll just say dutch. It's it's funny and i'm sure any child of divorce really relates well to that movie especially ashley. When you're twelve thirteen fourteen you have a new person that's introduced your life and seemingly like a father figure your automatic matic assumption is that you're gonna hate the guy so but and i said ed o'neill is just extremely funny. It's a great holiday movie baffling. I right. I mean now that you said it like that. I absolutely have to see itself going dutch in the five spot yes but you're not we're not ranking this. Is that what you can rank komo for lucero like basically on the same love yeah. No i got you so i guess we're just going through with like i dunno most memorable like what kind of her head now so whatever five movies that we really enjoy free-flowing xactly so number four. I'm gonna go with <hes> probably uncle buck man. Yeah i mean i got uncle buck on my list to do just like so obviously another very chicago move. He's got his apartment is literally on the corner over there on i think at sheffield <music> now wavelength okay and <hes> he just unbelievable that corner apartment and it's right by wrigley field and i don't know just like the big pancake. Dan cake couldn't even fit it in the door exactly just seeing the just the whole drill scene when he scares the boyfriend. It's just an awesome yeah. I appreciate it now because i have three nephews and niece right and it just like it's just really funny like i'm kind of looking for an uncle buck car to just kind of like you know haul. Hold them all in just throwing back there and just kind of cruise around the city degenerate gambler. He's on the worse. My favorite lines went on macaulay. Culkin answers the phone. He's talking to his mom u._b. Plus in my home says i got earned my exactly. I'll throw them number four. I'll say that one as well and interestingly early enough john hughes discovers macaulay culkin in that movie and he said i gotta put this kid in another movie. The next movie he's in is home alone home alone which which also on my list for my third so that's your third one yeah i mean that's one of those movies what's great about the comedy and home alone is it's mostly slapstick so it stands test the time obviously people would rip apart now and say oh that could never happen now with cellphones da da which they're still making a sequel for some reason. I don't know about that. I think he just leave that one alone but that's one that i watch every year in december and that's something you should know about me. I do not watch chris movies. Listen to christmas music unless it's december okay. I like that. I mean your your donor pro. You don't jump the gun on the seasons is what you're saying. I think it makes me appreciate it that much more. I like that a lot. That's <hes> that's. That's very fair to michelle so you're looking at five is dutch for uncle bach three home alone. Yes okay so my third. I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna to go with breakfast club. <hes> i mean just the way that they i mean it's so i mean it was a little outdated by the time i saw you know you didn't quite have those that kind of stereotypes button day exists in one way or another highschool you ever been in so. I appreciate that everybody can wash that. Everyone can identify with one of those characters in one way or another so the legend goes with breakfast club was they were casting breakfast club. Molly ringwald comes in and john hughes is just taken taken aback by molly ringwald something about her. Obviously she becomes his muse. He makes a bunch of movies with her but they were casting for breakfast club and the reason he wanted to do breakfast breakfast club was he had said. I want to direct something that i've also written so if i make it simple and i just make one room and i keep it very very low key. Maybe they'll let me direct to so they were going to let them direct breakfast club right molly ringwald comes in he goes home that weekend and right sixteen candles and says we gotta make this first so sixteen candles came came out eighty four breakfast club eighty five. I believe yeah you're right and that's that's the way it went. That's a fun fact. I appreciate that that's good but before we hop into the number two spot. I do wanna talk about j._p. Grazing sponsor this is talk about this place ace and i looked up the menu and i'm wondering can i get g._p. Grazziano to send me a saab out here in new york better yeah. We gotta get you out there. We got it. You know maybe next time like army place as some northwestern or something we definitely i. I don't know if that will ever happen but i mean that's a good chance that we would play north west yeah. Maybe maybe basketball doesn't have to be football something like that. We gotta get you out there. I really wonder j._p. Donald been there forever in the west loop. Maybe he was in the background and one of these movies. I'm sure jim l. S. go check it out. Go get the <hes>. Go get the catering. If you work out in the west loop. Make sure your cater for them. They got the salad tracy antipasta trays desert trays whatever you want to mr g cons. That's what i recommend for you when you had out there perfect yeah go to j._p. Graziano dot com get that ordered up. We're going to nine one off and check them out so cons. Take me into your number. Two spot all right my number two spot also also a holiday movie one that i'd never miss christmas vacation clark griswold just wants to have the the best christmas for his family and he will go to the end of the earth for them and it's just it's it's. It's funny any it's related. I keep saying relatable book. They're all relatable just so many one liners out of christmas vacation him fucking deck in the place out with lights. Come on dude. How many do you need on there. I it's transportation class. She's butte karak great fucking squirrel world. Everything is described with that great movie. I won't have chevy chase classic. That's for sure number two like i said i'm going to go first number two just because like i said so many classic scenes it's just <hes> ultimately like that's what goes hand in hand with that and the breakfast club is everyone's faked sick to go to high school and everyone's had a saturday detention like like that yeah so which is just relatable and it's just when you see them around the city that you know i was born and raised in. That's those really hit home for me right right and you know speaking of breakfast club. John john hughes makes a cameo in breakfast club but if you blink you'll miss it really wasn't he plays anthony michaels hall's father so he's in the driver's seat seat of the car when anthony michael hall shrugged off wow no. I might have to check that out next. It's always on tv always great. We're moving into the number. One spot scott to be for me. I mean i like i said any of these could be number. One yeah and we're not going to name so many at home alone but i i would say sixteen candles probably <hes> so i gotta go down at all yeah. I think it's just it just something about it and the music <hes> the story of it. Do you know the story. Can you give me the premise the pretty in pink because to me. They seem interchangeable. I don't know they just seem like the same movie pretty in pink. Molly ringwald plays girl from the other side of the tracks and she's embarrassed that you know she has has <hes> a father. That's kind of a mess and she is trying to date the boy at school. Who has all the money in it. Just doesn't seem like it should work and then then in sixteen candles. It's molly ringwald birthday in everyone forgets about it because there's everything else going on around her that seemingly is more important portent and her family and her friends and everyone forgets her birthday and it's just relatable because i think at one point or another in high school everyone wants that attention from somebody somebody whether it be their family their friends or in this case the really hot guy in school they just wanna be noticed and in the end you know we'll see i don't wanna ruin it now. Even though it's thirty years old i won't ruin it. It's fine. I mean that almost sounds like sad like i'm sure there's there's parts of it. That are somewhat sad would ultimately it works it works. It's a comedy team. They'll usually have happy endings yes. Let's the breakfast club not really necessarily happy on refuse. Club is more. I think introspective as it is a a comedy or drama dramama- whatever you wanna call it. It's for sure look about fitting in high school in who you are. I sure i'm gonna go my number. One spot cheating but i don't care i'm going both home loans. I think to might be better ooh and that's to new york's adding adding but i love number two right and so what's interesting about home alone. Two comes out in nineteen ninety to nineteen ninety-one. He directed his last movie and that was curly sue. Have you seen curly sue no. I'm not saying that one. <hes> jim belushi is parts of an excellent. It's good it's good but then he just disappeared from hollywood so all of his credits after that executive producer or writer. He did it from his home in chicago. Kogyo because people lost track of them. They didn't know where he was really yeah. I mean there were people that kind of had an idea of where he was but he left hollywood altogether so it's kind of interesting that he had all the success. Obviously you know tons of money and he just walked away from all that he was he was still he was known to have kept diaries and he still wrote and wrote evident by the fact you see all the movies he still wrote after ninety one beethoven great movie hold onto dennis. The menace sneaky good ninety s with nineteen hundred for loyd christopher thompson cracking open those beans. I'll never forget that he was terrifying. Yes i was terrified. Enroll me those being. That's a great yeah oh yeah she was. He was cutting those apples. Yes that was that was. I'll never forget both of those scenes and now that's also import or not. He didn't direct all just rope. He the rotor executive producing listen sometimes executive producers just something that he put it in the credits to give credit to someone that has a impact that isn't necessarily their day to day on set for sure so about this. I mean this is fun. Whereabouts revealed near the end here. <hes> will so we'll wrap it up but maybe like we'll get into some of these deeper like we'll do like just fares bueller fifteen minutes on that one day and all that we've just mentioned in our top five there wa- could do a whole dog walk. I absolutely absolutely so this is like one of the few times or i feel you're like it happens more often than not where i feel like we're cotonou short but regardless we <hes> we're setting ourselves up for exactly exactly full series. Maybe exactly so yeah check. This went out and cons. We'll have you back on in the future. I can't wait all right. I appreciate it man all right bank right. That's it for today. We will catch you tomorrow.