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98: The one with Bonnie Tyler

CATtales

48:30 min | 5 months ago

98: The one with Bonnie Tyler

"Yes hi and welcome to another edition of cattails power ballad queen. Bonnie tyler is proven that the best is yet to come still with a vibrant. You album brimming with the same dramatic full bodied husky vocals the propelled her to fame with totally clips of the heart. It's a heartache and holding out for a hero. The award-winning singer went on to sell over. Twenty million records worldwide and now inspired a new generation of female performers like miley cyrus who sites bonnie as an influence quite simply. She is nothing less than a national treasure as. What does the new album we chat about tiktok bonnie singing in front of her contemporaries at the mtv awards representing the uk in the eurovision song contest. What it was like to sing at the vatican. The meet the pope and cooking stuffed fakes. This is the one with bonnie tyler. Here how are you doing. I'm doing great. Thank you very much. I've been in the wonderful aleka offer. A whole year in yorktown was meant to be that way. We i thought. I just had a week off in between tour and you know so robert and i decided to come here to a lovely house to enjoy week. Which engine two year. Alabama has been a good thing though. Is it being quite a felt like a holiday away. We'll how's it. Felt like you've been trapped and not get home north. Felt like a holiday to be on this. You know You know. I wouldn't be able to work. I mean i. I tend to get back out on the stage miss it. You know like banjo clue that i have to say i couldn't have been in about a place. Had the sunshine. I guess haven't and it's been quiet. And yes the very sunny today but unusual year or which luckily here. I tell you we. Suddenly some has now arrived in britain. And today it's really warm and hold the nook. Yes it's a win. Disney is that spring like field so it looks better than it is to stage at the moment. you know. it's never really wobble way all year round as you know. That's too much to ask for britain. Let's be honest so we'll have you been doing in lockdown than body to ease the time. I know you've got this new album out but we'll ready before. have you actually created that joined. No it was ready before to out. Grow that you know. It's all about touring without them. These days on if i can't talk that was no point in bringing it out last april. So you know. I was hoping to be back on tour now in june. But even there those shows being Transferred to to next again now on many of my festivals for the summer Just heard that They will be the next year so Yes looks like having a long house. But you've got to look it. Positively might i not going anywhere until they get the vaccine meaning the uk. It's wonderful the vaccines that have gone out that they very slow here with the vaccine and new goes behind zach and i've learned to swim and everybody seems to know a page of sixty nine now. I was surprised that you haven't led to swaim full well. That's that's a great achievement. It's not easy it's Well for me. I always always fighting to the water. When i was young because i had a few rights. You know but I mean. I've always thought it's been employed since nineteen seventy eight but I because we had just to our selves this year which normally the family around you know what if and i like to go in the pool when just the two of us you know why it just clicked and i you know. It's wonderful now to be able to swim. Burnett easy and it's one of those things get around to it or you don't. It's a bit like riding a bike wouldn't you can. You've got that skill on. Yes yes. I yeah i suppose when we all get back on stage that'd be like riding a bike as well. I hope you know it's it's gonna be on my god. It's going to be amazing when we can do foods show together. I mean it's gonna be tears of joy low and i'm sure about. Yeah oh i definitely think and everybody has missed the artists and obviously the people who who liked to go to the concerts and all your fans seeing you up there and she said bonnie the industry really revolves around the life side of things. Now doesn't it so it's been quite devastating. A lot of people it has especially for the musicians on the crew. You know because I mean they rely on their living. You know and I mean i'm lucky with my musicians. Because most of them are you know Like producers in their own. Right as well so i mean. They've been extremely busy. All your the in the studios and things you know but For the crew and for the people that you know build stage and you the the esteemed range issue for them. Some of them are delivering passes. Now you know as a way of getting their their money further than you know. Yeah i bet that's the million pounds being delivered every day. Yeah no i voted. Well this is. It is changed. The effort is doing everything on line. We're having conversations like this sitting in person and all the tap thing on we. Yeah yes that's right. I mean not talk now. Yeah i was going to ask you about tiktok i thought bony my god on tiktok rbis shocked. I'll tell you why. Because i i've never been on tiktok and i feel like i am missing out on this whole new explosion of social media and then i found gironde tiktok. I must go and have a look at this and then how. How's it been for you doing that. Well i just did it here in the house. You know the button the stairs to find schism it's mostly glass overlooking the ocean you know and It's very hard to find a place that hasn't got reflections on the senate. Tom beaten so. I just done it at the bottom of my staff whether it was it was about the only place i could find with no sort of glaring sun. I'm not very good technical things where second you know like zoom and things like that you know. My husband was department. This day is still need against sounding the role. Yeah torture kits to the half was requested the and so you know i mean sell blimey like half a million people do it to you. The moment i think it is amazing. And i love the messages that you are putting out as well you know about seeing stashed a day and strong wind and and and i thought really great of you being a strong woman. I'm passenger and that's a good responses. Well hasn't it white house very good. Yeah and About song in particular. Let's say he's. He's in the hall of the song hall of fame new york. He he writes joel. Joel aerosmith union. You know recorded for all these people up. Wow amazing so. I asked him if he like me song and the two days later he sent me this incredible song. Cold stormed the man. Well and Oh my god. When i read it i all. I was amazed. I got into it and So i'm back in my old producer. David you know. And he's the production on the album. Mitch fantastic he's You know he's my last albums. And i did two years ago. Cheney awesomeness star trek down very well. They sell them getting incredible reviews. I have never had anything like this. Since total eclipse to be honest responses. beena me. yeah. I got some wonderful song right. Says it has got a really special failed out really has got that kind of at's traditional bonnie. It expects a little bit of a modern twist as well it it merges those two areas. It bridges the two gaps really. Have you heard i have heard. I have heard it all. I've listened to through and it sounds amazing and found that the net. It's very to now but just What people need at the moment i. That's the songs the best is yet to come. It sounds like you know more freedom or whatever but it was made to be that way it was meant to be like this is the fittest song But listen to the rats. You'd be amazed because the best to come on. That's lovely the idea and you're right about the best is yet to come for the for the for the world and once you're actually axon you say we're out there for doing stuff again and who knows what new things will come. But i love that. Factors that you'll suggesting that all the rest of the album. There's some really good stuff to as nasa cape listening obsolete. i love. tell me you were as the lexin teams. Believe no general just joel man who cares the best destroy meal until me. You will be the last as long for sure days so to you. Would you have again smile feelings. Jay walk so as far as to be known concern. We got bad days too god days. Hi this is bonnie tyler and you're listening to cat tales You know it's it's my eighteen. Told them and these they don't you don't You know you. You realize that. There's no money albums anymore. Because you know it's all about The streaming now you know we get pennies for our recordings which is absolutely terrible. But i do it because i love making new music He keeps my life. Shows crashing excite. Then you know. And so i have. I can't wait to put this new show on the road. Because i have so many great songs to do. It's gonna be so much fun only just you know. I'm really looking forward to excavate parties and is gonna go wild. Oh my god can your mind on june you know oh when i like ban just to be off. I think they're going to be going to be wonderful way. So what is your just. Tell me through some tracks on the album. There you've mentioned the best is yet to come. What what is your favorite on. The album is best is yet to come. Sounds like it. the i'm start off. Which one do you think is a very good. Oh when the lights go down. Mr the first time i heard when the lights go down right Dot is a fabulous tracking it as soon as it hit me like my favorite kind of songs. Like bruce springsteen on rod stewart records no and because this timeless walks into it. You know with an amazing or us and It really suits me. You know You know i'm the on the lyrics. Take the radio out on the back. Porch dance real slow. Call lisa absolutely ed older songs on that i mean. I didn't put everything on the album. That i recall it You know i'm very particular about what i do and We played the song though which didn't make the album but these songs You know we've picked You've proud i am yet. It's wonderful album. I love working with the david. Mci again you know. It brings out the best in me to be on that. But that's nice to hear. Isn't it because when you see the industry as long as you have bonnie your fifty years and deal fell. Haven't you worked with a lot of different kinds of people you different different producers when you're doing a new album do you actually go and choose the people that you want to work with now. How does it work well. Always since the beaten. Be to than who i wanna work with the very first time i worked to jim. Steinman Because i was five years sign to our she records in the beginning and who You know with loss in france. It's a heartache. And more than a level. I was working with people that basically discovered me. You know i'd been singing percent news and in clubs and then Roger bell who was a talent scout for for only scott and steve wolfe happened to see me singing in a club in songs Because i never sent tapes away. Tobacco comes to east in the whole profanity. You know that would ever happen for meal. I'm just happy being a singer in the band which is What i set out to do when i seventeen and And i was enjoying every minute of it. But then when i was invited to and then to make some demos one of which was It's a heartache. So but but getting back to the original question. So i was. I was with these people because they Discovered me you know. Yeah but that's when. I make the wonderful david mci Who who Saudi reduce my last two thousand and We went out on ways for on while in fact i hadn't seen in forty years before I worked on the last twelve them for them. But when i moved to cbs I never forget. I was in a taxi on the way to the record company with my then manager and I to on the radio singing ally thought saw this is. This is what i wanna do you know and I just loved by the hell. And and i thought what a power for production and so any renna got the record company must-win merge the and steve winwood brother actually year. He was the guy in the recognition said okay. Bonnie regardless of five is now who would you like to work with. And i said oh my god i said. I'm so glad you asked me. Because i on the way here. I heard mutual. So i wanna i said i'd love to work with his produced Some rector you know. Yeah and he's buying ten kim steinman. I said yeah. I saw the need said well. You know jim is gonna do it. Would you mean he's never gonna do. I said i'm asking you. You told me you know you'd asked me who i wanna work with. Unfailing and i said new skin and So the big ask him. I'm they said bonnie this is going to be a long shot. I said to just yeah skin so they asked him. Jim wanted to meet me. So i went to new york to me tin and we got on extremely well and whether i should sistani recorded He finished right. Didn't totally tips to the hawk to me. Three weeks later on that. I was in america. Then we'll with him so the next two albums so you know i chose jim steinman myself and directly. Can't be doing that you know that's another. That's another of my songs on the album stack to my got a great song as well. They don't types on it. It sounds that sounds and that would come types on not Wreck or visit another guy that i chose Luckily for for me. I was invited to have an audience with the pork in one thousand nine hundred twenty nine nine i i thought oh my goodness that must be mobin. Sorry carry on on an. I'm just listening with all but anyway Why was there you know. I mean we. We what should stay. We have an audience with the pope in the second day. What you call it for a christmas concert in the but again and this this wonderful pan-pipe player was on liotta osias and like. Oh my god i. I know that he would sound amazing on stuck to my guns. Which is a song. That i may be cold i feel cutler weeks before in the studio i when i heard implant Went to the studio. Then after the can and i said today the way i've heard this wonderful Contact descended into some next class to the all. When i was there i would. You appear on On would you pay one of my songs and he still. He said san song. I i like this. And i sent it to me so i love to do it. Be over the moon to do it. So he's done hunt tash the job on the right so it was. It was think that i make this guy gets the paktika guys and you know he's all only chamula in the you know and Say like anyway mazing. You actually just bumped into somebody really just discovered somebody or give me. Yeah that's how life is magical. Isn't it really. It takes you on that journey ready. You follow this aligns sitting next to rich shield through the the You know and he was fabulous man to really lovely how amazing unto the ball of sounds like a stall studded event. So how did you end up at the vatican. Then what's the story behind that. No i you know. I was invited him by ted a by oversee. The people have put the concept together. Every year suggest People you know. And an i expected as one of the older wonderful. Yeah that's a lovely nba catholic. What's up to the moon to beach in all. I bet i mean that must have been a very unusual. Not how would it feel. Let me just just looking at it from the outside it feel like am i really here. It was amazing. I'm you wouldn't believe the reception zayd on for everybody in the night to know tablist relief so incredibly the flowers and the chris still in the everything was just wonderful league. I could've had it all it. Father jagan nude the bottom raw with the ball. I didn't do it for the go. That's for sure. Got lost in the thick of illegal. And no to you then. Active shooter sure lay out. I may story was never meant to be. Dow you Hard chad sir. Jude law doubt sped. Sticking a stinks shows. Hi this is bonnie tyler and you're listening to attack tales a bit of a highlight for you at some point during life. But what other ones can you think of anything that brings up to mind that you guys. Do you know what that was di moment in my life. I just have to relive if i had to release something. Yes well they nominated for. Grammys is contact. And i nominated put for fertility tips to the heart I was nominated for the best video and then Remember or They used to be higher. Tation show Remember the name of the bloody thing. Now i tv and stuff and keeping it and Yeah so it. Was you know to a popular on that channel to the house and i was nominated for the best woo For the best video. And but i had to sing incensio by suggesting Sorry on a roll like note. Line of richie. Oh you know they. They were quincy jones it all in the front row. You know things that song life. I mean there's about three hundred doctors that only the right imprinted you can like it can happen to you. You can hobbies breeze and then you ask you sing. The song live from south of the says. And all i could think of is some folks don't fall down for all. I loved out to the best. The best video went to michael jackson. The song went to the song Got a feelin. our arvin kara. That's right. I remember our wonderful wonderful time. It's a great experience. I within if you don't as you say you would normally night steps in a way. That's the success. Isn't it to be recognize there in front. Yard hayes singing. I had a breast so that was good nominated bristowe awards and many but that one is you are the ones that really stood and chat now. Is it right. Bali that you actually. I was going to say about the. I remember you being the you re british entry for the eurovision. But i've read that. Is that actually happen or around my imagining it. No again not which buddy the goal is. Just make this. How did i say. I actually like you. Revision must know something so much threat over that you wouldn't believe it. I mean i. I just released an album then called rocks and honey iran and the listen to it and they love chocolate. That cold believe in me and they asked me. Would i enter the eurovision and They already asked me music. Before if i go into the Univision but i. It was ridiculous at the time. Because i was number one in america with told the tips of the half the number one in the uk resort. Listen to the half and then to go to the bishop. Would it be chilly. You know but after that time it's you know and you know it's it's it's a wonderful atmosphere for that and i enjoyed. I join The i don't know whether you ever been to in the crowd there for the houston. I i haven't no. It looks incredible though. Oh my god the atmosphere will let you know when it which i it was such a you know. There's a wonderful thing. I i came. Nineteen i didn't expect that to the way because british after all that stuff. I like the guy who's going in this year. I think you'd be good. Yes thanks. I think it could have a chat. While the songs of the performers always have a chance the voting system of course. We just don't ever get there do we. But no greats be part of a wonderful institution. Isn't it yeah. I did something simla many years before. Nine hundred seventy. I but i won not one m in the world zone festival and thirty two competed and I couldn't believe it. I wouldn't know and we send whitney houston's mother clean second with me was with her she was. She was a young girl and with name she wanted to. I all dropped. She was like both routine and toll tolan land and thirty inches shots for my autograph. That's incredible you've obviously inspired so many women. I think bonnie talked about being that strong woman. But i think you are archetypal strong powerhouse if a woman and i know that this mariah carey whose who cited you as a hero of hers miami services done that is heartache was near on you say you still inspiring them. I mean does how does that feel. It's unbelievable like very You know i ve very damn truth myself and You know you don't don't think that The people listen to you know your other guests. But i mean two years ago i did. Do at roy stewart. Sir stewart's richard and Dame bonnie tyler bonnie and From raw see of course from status cool and yeah they were. That was great. But i decided i wasn't gonna do anymore due at some solve them because when it comes to doing live shows you're very restricted. The counting to ten songs will code. Do them all male. But there'd be no point you know So this is why not you at from this album. I'm not saying. I want to do in the future but just one hundred just meet. Yeah well no well. I think everybody is dying to harry. And that's hope that once we've actually got this covered thing over. You can go out there and do your stuff like that my version of here so i'm not in love lots that lovely song anyway. You know. it's yeah that starts beautiful track Yeah i went even suggested me doing that. I i said. I have a lot one david. I said you had all we could make. It sold different. You know and he said i. I know it was too. Yeah i said well. I give it a try this goal you know. So he did the basic track and You know he can. He did it did it. With a new approach. You know because. I'm not in love on the it's like desperately in really is not exactly yet When i saw this sing singing why would really suit me. you know. I think of made it my own off dual all went off call. God i'm not alone. Me law again convicted far on out. Hi this is bonnie tyler and you're listening to everything you do and you touch beneath sounds dislike year because you have such unique voice. Haven't you and you do have that unique delivery style so it you know. Everything is bonnie song the cities you get your hands on interviews like in brazil and things and they say to me you know The the some of the percents as they say you know a lot of people. They don't understand the english but they love the passionate the passion in your voice and they they love the feeling that you put in songs to the solar even though they don't understand what it is they they see they can feel that. I feel what i'm feeling you know. And i said like about like he just you know i loved it. I didn't understand a word. She was saying but the action she she put in to revoke move. But that's the good performance isn't it because it's not. It's the communication of everything is. It's the abortion issue saying you're telling his story when you're up there in some form even if it is just saying you know on the love story about isn't it and you can do that. Let's talk about egypt ya i. Two years ago. I did a solo show in the olympia in paris and we said you know i always tell stories in between song. You know and I i said you. It's just so wonderful to be almost the same stage with you. Know a lot of the greats of being like you. Just oh my god he you know you you know. I did a soda show in london today. Jim trump. And come about but it was an awesome feeling to be back at the Play gm very. first time. i did. I would seem to me that you know when the gloves lay. That's what that's what you're born to do isn't yeah. Yeah but seventy nine. Nne of my shows were from twenty Twenty two twenty twenty one Eight of them were towards twenty twenty. Two and three eighths of those shows are all over to me from switzerland. belgium All over you know and So yeah and i used to be going out now. In june june People might be good day. And i was going to be celebrating with my band crew and grow but as coats and you know But that's not happening now. So it's so frustrating isn't it. Yeah what you do these tools. They've bunny you know you've got back catalogue eighteen albums that you talked about in the business i mean. How do you choose what you're going to sing. When has done on the back of my neck like it did. When i when i heard the nikiel time you know and i just you know just amazing But no steve bull mock four songs. On my album. I tell you he is just he knows makes away right up. My street journal yet knows exactly what i can do He writes wonderful songs. He's called four on the album and I am doing an old donovan. One swell on the ten seen one say kevin that you know i just what's happened did i did. All the in between touring allied fly into heathrow and then the boys go home to the family by news and i go to stu. Joel david but You know we listened to some dangles. Then while he's back on tour deal they could get on with making the tracks and then coming back from another tool of and i'd go down to the studio. He lives like twenty. Five minutes away from heathrow in saturday and We go to the studio there. And i do a couple of songs and then go home and see the family friends and and that you know pack and go back out on the role event and then do the same thing over again. You know coming. Throw down to studio dissolved. And i'm ready to come out. Yeah but i. I'm having a fantastic removed from america much. I'm doing What do you call them. Zoom interviews daily daily. Know australia stray supposed to be torn. Brazil in september crikey. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for that. Yeah we got a month that the deed china kit you just really buzzing for you at the moment on it sounds like it is incredibly full of what i just. I just just over already. Because it's so lovely to to know that somebody is continuing to do this staff. Despite all these terrible circumstances we've got now when you know. I mean i'd never people say didn't have a think of tired. But you know i mean i. I don't get me wrong. I love spending time here in beautiful house. And it's wonderful but i can. I can't the best board rules. I can go out. And paul go back to my house and wales or come here and You know. I do miss my family and my friends madan juno of cold. But i wouldn't be able to see them anyway. I was home source. Reid might just as well be here on. That's right enjoying the sunshine. And i experienced plenty restaurants open. The who say everybody's gonna come out with this being absolutely wonderful in the kitchen out. They have to learn to cook. That's you and i. I watched james martin every right all right and so fantastic. I ran on this show. Who is and. I think he's wonderful anyway. Usually i end up making more. He's may and you know he's he's Spies what. I just did some stuff run with tom. Chester i stuffed with cheese and Wrapped in a contractor and we had them lunchtime yesterday. Matthew honey so simpson smith you know and you think of doing it yourself this kinda stuff but when you see the chefs on tv you think. Actually i i could do that to go on things you know. Yeah but don't you really cooking chips or something into my roth. Johnny lovely call. You can't go wrong. I speak to you all day. But i know that you're gonna be doing something exciting this afternoon. Probably going to be swimming in the pool. All out war king gonna go all out war. Yeah and Yeah maybe a little bit shopping in there someone if just get your vermont. Nothing excites citing super excited about it. Give me that moscow out there. Oh thank you so much. It's been a pleasure speaking to you. I'm not really really. You take a half a lovely day on weaker speak soon all right bye bye bye you than listen to listen again to this and other tales go to cap tales. Don't co dot new

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100: The other one about CATtales

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03:47 min | 4 months ago

100: The other one about CATtales

"You're listening to bangor's this is rudy. Sarsour you're listening to cat kale's hi. This is bonnie tyler and you're listening to cat pao's i. This is an anderson from jeff throat. And you're listening to can't tales. Hi i'm vicki. The clock and you're listening to cats tails high as as we're gonna and you're listening to you're listening to cattails and i'm cat and this is the one hundredth episode back at the turn of the century could never have imagined a privileged position that i would find myself in as a result of a career in pr journalism meeting famous musicians. Item ascoli watched on top of the pops. The oakwood whistle test the chew. Listen to jump on radio. Luxembourg as a teenager would have been inconceivable a few years before hitter find myself not only meeting famous musicians but spending time backstage shutting with him on first name terms over the years. I've enjoyed many such moments. Conversing and laughing with some very high profile names and seeing those interviews appear extensively imprinted magazines online media as what is my own online news site cat on the prowl. The conversations recorded at the time. Denso purely to transcribe them for these publications and were never intended to be broadcast. At the time i was using monologue dictaphone and over the years had reused dictaphone types on many occasions. So much of those recordings no longer exist. Those that did survive have been re shared on this cattails podcast on the early years however over time there was interest in broadcasting these on the radio with improved technology i moved into digital recording and though the idea of podcast was far from my mind at the time all of this material ended up being the early days of cat tails since then. Many of the shows have been used for broadcast both on my own on demand. Radio show cattails distinct to now and also international radio stations. And what i can't believe is absolutely wonderful array of guests. The i have had the privilege to speak to over the years looking back on those early earliest. I didn't realize how important those recordings would become. And now i find myself hosting and producing catches on a fortnightly basis for an amazing audience of which you apart of what down through the incredible list of guests that have appeared on cattails over the years for some incredibly thankful that they have given their time to share their stories and entertainers in the same way that they have entertained with their music. I'd like to thank them. And you listeners. For all your support over the years. I hope that catches has brought you a little piece of life backstage there will be many modicum so please stay with us and enjoy the rest of them looking forward to number one. I one at fred. you'll listening to castile everybody. This is jordan rudas from dream theater and you are listening to cat cattails. Hi this is marty wilde and your things say hi this my consent. You're listening to castile. Hi this is joan waves and you're listening to tales. Hi i'm sarah. And you're listening to catch tales. Cuban listen to again to these and other tales thirty cat tails dot co dot uk.

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Top 10 Jim Steinman Songs

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1:50:56 hr | 9 months ago

Top 10 Jim Steinman Songs

"If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain. It's free the creation tools to allow you to create an edit. Your podcast right from your phone or your computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you so it can be heard on spotify apple podcast and many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership and everything you need is to make a podcast in one place so download the free anchor app or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started and welcome back to the podcast. Everything you never know about movies. Music and theater i map your host and we are going to continue our Podcasts going with another top ten lists now we've just done wearing a boy with my friend rachel and we did broadway opening numbers with my friend carson so i wanted to bring a someone back now. There's been some controversy that this man does not believe he is recurring guest because he's only been on the podcast twice to that i say. Shut up We will remedy that as much as we can. I know his allegiance. He's giving me the finger now. His allegiance obviously is to his podcast. Which i am frequent member on this well And i definitely want to have him. Come on more here and i do have other series and top ten list. I want him to take part in And not give anything way but some of them have to do with the big d Eight i i like a big deal but the big team meeting disney. Oh that big. Yeah you know what i meant. But you've heard him you know him. He's the host of the mass mouse fans. He is one of my actors in the movie critics and in petah of so fraternises Putting two together it is my very good friend and now engaged friend. Chris rose chris. Oh man how are you yes. That's been a while since we've gotten together and even longer for mass knows fans my apologies. It's okay but you know what it does. Chris have realized it. It gives people plenty of time to now find mass mouse fans and catch up on the other episodes because i know people who haven't One thousand listens to go. They go but i do know some people who said that they found it and they and they didn't know existed. We've talked to me about it. Because i told them about it. So it's exciting. I kept it. I kept it low. Because i was trying to you for that first year. Trying to get my bearings bearing spearing bearings on it Yeah so please go check it out. Massimo's fans Matt is a frequent collaborator. Dare i say co collaborator So i i would call your future husband. Wesleyan more clever than myself. I just come on. I say my opinions. And that's why chris comes on here because i want his opinions on this. This and we have fun doing it. I love doing it. I've missed doing it. And i've had to. Let's put it this way before mass mouse fans. I didn't have my own podcast. My own scripted podcast series or these readings. I've been doing. And ever since i haven't been on it. I filled my life with nothing but my own plays a my own nonsense. So i desperately needed and i know that so. Yeah it's been fun. It has been it's been especially the the movie critics. A web series is just wonderful opportunity for some of us actors who don't have other right now. It's scripted stuff. It's a lot of fun and we just closed off season one the season one finale closed out Dot anything away. But i am working on season two All scripts are pretty much written. I'm rewriting everything as we go. And i'm hoping to have that done by the end of the month And waiting to see what happens to chris. It's really funny chris. I will tell you on this podcast on this episode while we're talking a friend of mine one of my best friends gen listens to move critics like regular like it's her Her On the go to work on mondays. She listens to movie critics. She listens to everything. You've need. no this podcast eventually was instant mass miles fans. She has like the three of the three podcast in a row. Like right then and there it. All you add all the time hijen by the way high anyway glistening anyway. She was talking about the gun really into the storyline of you and rachel barrows and so much so that i know what her feelings are when she text me and she says i have thoughts about him. Let me tell you about these thoughts. So you're doing something right my friend. I'm just reading. The words that you put down on page is a great scene partner. Despite the fact that. I've never met her in person spoiler we. We are still social distancing as we record those goods exactly but enough about the promoting what we do mass mouse fans. Please look it up And become a subscriber becoming subscribed to this show comes. Subscribe to move. The movie. critics are under subscribers there yet but it is listener supported anyway. We're gonna get into our topic right now and this is a topic that funny enough. Chris brought to me that he was interested in talking about it. I mentioned that. I was a big fan of this A gentleman and i didn't know he was so i was really excited so today. We're gonna be talking about. Mr jim steinman. That's right mr steinman now. This might not be a name that you know. And if you don't know what you're an idiot i'm kidding. Goodness you save that for the the x ray inversion few should know about him. He he's a award-winning producer. Songwriter he's had many grammy's many awards given to him And many many Successful hit songs. I mean he's produced many hits. He's written many hits and he's also been the big hit numbers for a lot of different people. You're gonna hear the names of celine dion. You're gonna hear the name of bonnie tyler and you're gonna hear meatloaf but also on. That list is very Barry manilow in air supply. This guy was big in the eighties. Very very big in the eighties Tell me what you know about mr steinmeier before we get into the countdown composer songwriter. Lyricists frequent collaborator. With some of meatloaf's bigots albums. I know that he has at one point a site. Oh so there is a bat out of the hell musical. Based on the songs that he collaborated with meatloaf was a another one that he attempted in either the late eighties early nineties. It was a vampire dracula based support. So i'm glad you brought that up. I will be bringing that up it so Carson i gonna actually work so not just carson that my friend. Amelia smith who i think is on the critics dropping my goodness she and i are doing a episode about obscure musicals and that will definitely be on it but what he's talking about is in german. It's called tans. Deb van pira which is based on the Hate to say his name. So i won't A director who existed Who still exists Movie called the field vampire killer and so the musical is based on that It did go to broadway as dance of the vampires in bombed severely successful. Not successful. And i saw it. I will say. I saw the musical on broadway. My mom and i specifically went to to new york and on broadway. I'm glad i saw sort. I wouldn't do it again. But i'm glad it's a terrible musical was really bad. Yeah yeah. I heard on not great but it lasted longer than that one in the late seventies at charles nelson reilly directed and it closed on the same weekend. Yes you're right. you're absolutely right on sunday. And he was on johnny carson. Show say still in his sounds about right but yeah you're right And actually. Simon began in the theater. He was born in new york he went to amherst college. Actually did experimental theater a musical. Call the dream engine which would then evolve into netherland which has now evolved into bad health. So when you see help a musical anyone who thinks that's a jukebox musical. You can shut up. That musical has been in the works for forty years like that has been his. Life's work and i've heard great things about it. I've heard some not so great things about it but the man's been working on it for forty years give you get a break But he has another musicals. And he met and meatloaf is vegas collaborator through a musical on-call more than you deserve which was off broadway which A the song. That song is a song that he he wrote on more than you deserve which is actually on a meatloaf album. It's not analyst here. It's not that great but it's it began the career and then he eventually went on to do like we were talking about bad hell Which basically made his name in in the music business. That was such a big hit music the album. And then you just everything snowballed. He'd worked with different people. He created his own stuff and as much as his. He has a ton of songs they all. Chris was mentioning this before we started recording. They all sound the same. Don't they all seem like they're all all will they're all big ration- not in the same way that chicago uses a lot of the brass in their songs to make it sound like much fuller but it's much more like operatic in a sense. It's a there's a lot of crescendo. There's a lot of the lot of drums lot of electric guitars And often with the choruses. It's these giant greek courses that he he utilizes and their their their ballots. You're not gonna find like a two and a half minute. This is my fight song. You're not gonna find me baby He does these long. Oftentimes averaging between seven and nine minutes on its shortest longer ones. You'll find over double digits in fact one of the one of the songs that i have listened to my top. Ten is often referred to as a bathroom song because dj's will play it so that they can go use the restroom. It's it's funny. I say they they also say they don't all sound the same but they. You can definitely feel a jim steinman song when it comes on. The caveat to that statement is actually many of meatloaf's collaborations with jim steinman do have similar sounds Not just because meatloaf is the lead vocalist on on the songs but You'll you can definitely see it. it's He brings life and he. It's almost as if he is writing a musical when he a giant eleven. Pm musical number when he writes these songs. And it's just wonderful. It's wonderful to listen to some of them hate to say it overplayed Especially at karaoke bars View of which have landed on my top ten list but Yeah it's and the thing that you also. I don't know if you agree with me this chris. His songs his music his everything about what. Jim steinman writes this element of Humor to everything There really is And he's actually set at that. He writes his songs with a touch of Of humor in all of them. And i want to read this. This song didn't make the list but it did recently so the last album. That milovan jim steinman together all quote Was album called Braver than you are. Which is You either hate you like it. I love the album because of what it is. Because it's a jim steinman meatloaf one But so jim. Steinman has has described his music as heroic adventurous romantic scary. And funny. now you ask yourself how can lyrics be funny. I'm going to read you this lyric. I don't know if you've heard this chris. I'm going to read you this lyric in. It's absolutely bizarre. whereas Did you from a mighty oak to grow. You have to plan to tiny seed. Words are all you know. Body language is what you need now. I can barely breathe. Your fragrance fills my lungs. It's time we started speaking in tongues. It's time to start. The fire i know will make it. Good were overflowing with desire. You got the spark i got. Would i don't know what any of that is implying. Maybe it's my innocence. I'm not sure is he implying. Something there Is that is that innuendo is that what is called a new metaphor very innuendo but But chris and i have a great list of top ten songs. We're going to do a couple of on will mentions before. Kristen have any auto mentions. But i can only assume these. These ones are not in his list. So these are ones that were missed for whatever reason so the first one i wanna play here is Is this win. come in so hot. Ninety four as. I been doing the every. I really feel like. I'm a fm n. F. m. dj. From the familiar to you. And i are both sort of in that realm of could be great college. Dj's i'd be totally fine with that. I wish we went to call at the same time i stumbled over my words way to walk. Be able to to be a dj. So but i got that. Dj vi- coming at ya hunt ninety four everything you need to know about movies. Music did podcast. This is jim steinman. I just realized. I haven't shared my audience. That's why you can't hear. I cannot hear god damn thing here at ninety four d been couldn't stand the skit slut and nothing city. Just report can say so chris. I know if you know this particular song that's playing so so this is one of his more subdued. It's mostly piano and that light tambourine tap in the back again another staple of most of his songs. Just when you're listening to my number one song which will won't spoil right now. Lot of Lot of drums to. But you're not hearing it in this this song right you're absolutely right and that's Very important in that respect as well It's very simple instrumentation. But it builds eventually to the mic crescendo. And the reason. I love this particular song. It's one of my favorites but the reason it didn't make my number one is because the lyrics were not actually written by jim steinman and you can feel that because there's no joke innis. It's very sincere very honestly But they were in by don black. So jim steinman only wrote the music. And there's another one in there that Someone else helped write the lyrics on on craigslist too. But that's That's kind of why. I did it that way like i. I was trying to give myself pass. Because y- you he i m we forget. I think i forgot to mention to you. Have the talented. But he's also a wonderful pianist. He when he composes. He does a lot of that on on his keyboard or on the piano. So yeah exactly and thank you for not laughing at pianist because you mentioned it all right. He comes another one. This is from a nineteen eighty s Rock band called pandora's box that he wrote and produced the entire album. The song would eventually be covered by Mr meatloaf a sense done the old one to live off and now onto that. I'm with I think i just made a comparison to like when that crescendo comes in. It's almost like trans siberian orchestra. The down down down down to die. That's that's the kind of crescendo. I was referring to that build up. Sometimes the buildup is right in the first few beats of that song but that one other thing almost all of his comp- compositions the link Paul o'neil did say that. That was a big influence. That steinman was a big influence on him With all of his stuff and you can you can hear it if you compare the two nom of it as well and steinmann had said that springsteen the who and wagner were being influences on him as well. you're especially like the hugh the hewitt the whose concept albums can share and sense and especially Phil spector is a water. Phil spector the wall of sound that gets hit and he does it all the time. There's a song from 'em stager In the dark of night that he didn't right but he produced and you can hear all of his staples in that one song too so Yeah that's where he still miles ahead of of phil. Spector phil. spector would just come in to something that was already established. You just added more brass more. Percussion where steinman for the most part start to finish was his is compositions. Whether or not he was the lyricist on the song. You can definitely tell when it's composed oh absolutely All at another one. This one's a An an old in oldie from mr meatloaf off of his second album. A dead ringer for love. But i like it. Back anymore dunton. Nor do so. This one's called. i'm. I'm gonna love her for both of us and the other thing that's interesting about steinmann had said all the songs that he's emperor written can fit into that That on how musical and they all were written for that. Go in for this. I've actually read the script to the and there's a bit where it's a little bit of a love triangle between The character of tinkle's a man in his version The peter pan character and the wendy character and this seems very almost like. That's the the love triangle. Between so if you're sitting there wondering what the hell's he talking about with the live is eric's put it in peter pan aspect and that's exactly what he's what he's looking at so Just very interesting. Very interesting Looking in oh yes. And then the other one is off of the biggest selling album of the two of their existences bat. Allah bat outta hell to back into hell This song comes as the middle of the of the album here This one's called everything everything louder than everything else. Things that have been happening in this world right now. I actually had this on. Repeat during one of those moments. And i was like. Oh my god. He's writing for those some of some people like that so it's interesting the fact that he says you know the world could still be flat. Now give a shit so by the way what's on listeners. Well let's get to anyway I don't think there's anything else i need to bring us out to is anything you wanted to save before we get into the actual countdown. No i think I think i'm good. I didn't have more lot whole lot of honorable mention. So you don't get started all right that's to. We're going to start with chris. Roses number ten coming at you on the go ahead through. I was gonna say there was one. Last thought is a sex except for my number five. This guy doesn't have a song. Titles that are less than five words. It's five where he writes essays as song titles so yes. This is so coming at you number ten on ninety four everything you never needed to know about movies music or podcasts. So you took the words right out of my mouth. I'm hearing a little and he probably doesn't attribute their influence at all. I'm hearing a little abba in some of that composition there. That's not a bad thought. I think you're right about that a little but it depends on which came out first Abba was they was abbas. Eat yes This came out in seventy eight. Okay euros born strike. That from the record nobody saw is another one that i can't remember which of your honorable mentions. But when you started playing this the intro into it definitely sounds like the ones that you just played on your your honorable mention so you hear that similar composition but still great song upbeat. One of One of the more upbeat ones that with meatloaf and you'll find that there aren't always upbeat collaborations and it was And i skipped over but there is a low dialogue in the beginning that you can hear of you know a girl talking to a guy and saying you know On a hot summer night would you give your. Would you offer your throat to the red room. The to the wolf with red roses frac- ship. This guy writes. But it's so it's so good. That wasn't a metaphor. There is actually a wolf that troubles around screen northern pacific around. Is you know if you gotta do it. You gotta do that is not talking about you know a vagina sh. We don't know what that is anyway. chris number Tim you you took the words right of my mouth all right. We're gonna go ahead with mine number ten. Which could be any more different. Ooh see who love for you. He knew what i've been told or what i've read about the songs that it actually was not running for Peter pan that was actually written for when they adapted john waters pry baby musical into musical. This was the song that jim steinman apparently submitted for his ability to do that musical there are a couple of key there are couple situations besides Danced the vampires other music that he's done. These actually auditioned and done work for musicals that he just hasn't been hired for One big Example not that he wasn't hired but they were. They cancelled the musical. When things went awry was He was actually commissioned to write a batman. Musical i kid you not. This is a real thing. That was going to be a musical version of batman and he had grit hap- spiderman so it doesn't surprise me a whole lot. Well that's what that's what cancelled. It was the they. Were gonna play after mr mrs bruce. Get shot in the alley. It's possible that there is talk that the sun was going to go into the batman. Musical that flute does remind me of a song from another collaborator. And i had to double check. I was like wait a minute. He didn't compose. He did not compose near far wherever you are but that flute was like wait. It's not often you hear flute in a ballot where it becomes like the prevalent instrument in that song. I was like i had to double check. Sorry i had to double check the nice tender ballad. Not on my top ten. Not one that. I hear very often. I do know it just didn't crack up. It's a tough one. Because it's technically is off of bad idaho three but bat bat out of hell three was technically not him and jim steinman. It was him and Desmond child so It's not really an official back. A lot of people don't consider it a real bat outta hell album But the concern braver than you are. The new album just came out more in line at. That's the last chapter of the trilogy. So just just interesting stuff. Surprisingly enough there is one. Song are chris's number. Nine is actually my number nine so get out of two and it is an incorrect title. Because if you actually look at your car it does not say this. It's actually quite the opposite. But if that doesn't give you the preview of what we both picked for number nine. Yeah and this is another one of those like fourteen word song. titles that he likes to do do you want to introduce. just let play skies. Pugh agree ban. It's been and so if you weren't aware we are talking about objects in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are Christmas right this is no it would be objects in the rear view. Mirror are closer than they appear. I had to. I had to like untrained my brain from the title of the song it's are closer than they appear whereas this one is up in the rear view mirror may appear closer than they are but i mean it fits the lyrics of the song so i understand why why they went with why he changed it. This is a three part song where they The singers talking about his best friend. dying then. He's talking about his father beating the hell out of him and then he's talking about a girl who he loved and Went away so what he's talking about this. He's talking about past experiences that he can't get out of his head so this is actually one of those songs that encapsulates the whole that. Actually there's a story within the song and that there is like a three part act three parkway kinda happening with the song i love. This goes that my top ten list. I loved the song. And i do also love the instrumentation when it really builds up. Even though it's object in the mirror may appear closer than they are like twenty twenty times. I listen to that forever. Just the way meet sings at the way the instrumentation goes and when those guitars go blaring. Oh my god you cannot but like feel the emotion and that's one thing steinman gets right. Is that even though he does. Repeat things over and over. It's not just willy nilly. It is for reasons of building his own emotional status. I mean he. He builds things and dolts things and builds things and they come out blaring and and epic romantic. And that's you know part of the fun of steinman Why did you have this on your. Let's just from the stuff. I was saying before. This is why. I mean. I use me sorry. I grew up with classic rock. So i knew a lot of the something better than hell from the original. This one came in a later album. Ninety two ninety three this was on the second battle hell album better held to back in and it was so anticipated because we any classic rock fans loved that outta hell the first one And i think. I have another least one other song from from bed outta hell to you have to so it was. There was a lot of anticipation behind it around that same time. Our smith was coming out with a new album that we hadn't heard in a while so it was. It was sitting there with bated breath and he comes out with this wonderful slower ballad. You write the lyrics the story behind it. I just remember when the album came out. This is one that i would continually listen to and it just brings back great memories. So that's why it's on my nine. It's a very good song. And i i do love it myself. So yeah All right so going from since. That was both our number nine. We're going to go right to chris's number eight and this one this one on your list at all is it. I like it but it's not one of my favorites right kind of a higher writing the karaoke usage trip. So we're talking obviously about the song. Two out of three bad another nod to the cliche line of you know two or three bad. You know you'll notice that a lot of stein's excuse me what it's diamonds Songs tend to have that kind of like cliche element to it. You took the words right at my mouth. Review window cried heaven. You know these all seem like the phrases that you say so like only two or three ain't bad. He has said that he originally wrote this. In the mind of for like elvis am every time. I hear that i really wish. Elvis were alive at the time that he would've covered this. That this would have been elvis song because it sounds so much like an overseas. Yeah very much so and just thinking like every every single title that we have in our lists almost all of them can be title of an episode of a tv show but like a drama series like an hour long. Not a sitcom chris. Don't give everything away. I may be working on another thing. And i may be using as a as a thank. Don't don't give away so i'm sorry. not sorry. Is that what the kids are saying. These days he's odds matthew you're not the only one with these thoughts matthew. So what did you. So what does this mean to you. The song is like another. You know 'cause it's classic rock it's original classic rock it's I just i think it's catchy Eight is when i frequented karaoke bars. It's one that i would not as frequent to some of the others on my list but it was there. It was there and Even though i kinda grew up with some of the more mainstream meatloaf songs with the classic rock This is one that was introduced to me by a friend who I hadn't heard all the album's enter bat bat out of hell. I heard it like the full albums. Just the stuff that they do on radio play so as soon as i heard this i was like this is this is. This is great. Yes it made it on my list for that reason sentimental. Yeah and like. I said to chris when we started. This one's not one of my favorites. But i like it enough that it became on route. Keep the channel on and listen to all the way Through vows listening to radio or if it. I have my aunt my car if it came up on the ipod and just kept blowing. I'll listen to this. It's not one thing and very few rock songs like this. Having a lyric about you can find a diamond boxes cracker. Jack's in that's that steinman that his best really yup aren't so Christmas number eight to ask me a bad. We're going to go back to my list of member number eight here next to the playlist. Your there's a real hot ninety four. I apologize more. Atletico face to do just walk lou to learn so. This is one of my favorite like ballot. Italian songs and jim steinman did call left in the dark again It appeared first on his solo album in has a solo album called bad for good. And it's not that great only because he sings a song his himself on most and then a unaccredited gory. Dodd sings the rest. And just it's not cohesive enough but it's it's a great listen and most stuffy pilfered and had other people cover like this. This is Barbara streisand who. I'm not a huge barbra streisand fan at all. But this is the one song. I can probably tolerate. And listen to and that's why it's on the list And if you hear it. I mean he did produce at four her and it's has all the hallmarks. I love the background vocal bets. That happened in that. Pre course that we just listened to You know the whole the whole pre course thing of like. I know that you love me. There's no need to talk. Ooh that's really cool what they do. chris are your thoughts on this son one. I haven't heard in quite a long time. In fact i forgot about the barbra. Streisand collaboration Just that voice his composition. It's just wonderful combination. Yeah it against story could have easily been fit into a musical of unrequited love. And you've found but you couldn't fight or you couldn't get it with me. It's i think anyone who's ever been in a break and or break up in your xs. Was somebody else. And you're like wouldn't they have that. I don't i still find trace of your eyes. And i still have your eyes on my mind. I mean it's crazy clearly. He did not have bonnie tyler in mind when he wrote that i know he could have he could have very well but some of those notes only is ms drizin arc. Wise should also say that meatloaf did cover this as well. This has been covered by Meatloaf i don't think he doesn't as well actually do nothing he does it as well. You're putting up against multi. Grammy academy awards. She wanted to kinda me award didn't she. S for Is born so yeah. Meatloaf meatloaf by barter stars again says everything. I sing chris all the time telling you the true. You never listen to me though. Nelson's no all right. We're gonna go to chris's number Sending this is probably one of the more popular ones. Aikman attleboro then allocated so paradise by the dashboard light. I took christmas before this. I hate the song i really do. I the only part of this i can. I can stand as the very end when he's singing. It was long ago and far away in so much better than it was today. That's the moment that i like because it's so steinman Talk to me about this one. Chris mall a comedy in three weeks. I mean this is your stein. This number changers their key members. There is like genre changes that happen within this one song you talk about the film's zulu partly about that The full dialogue about a guy can get with the girl in the metaphor of baseball as mid. This is where you learn about the basis how to get the first base second base I like me radio. Edits that have rock and roll portion portion but out and then the mallet tight melodies at the end if they leave it in its because the dj has to go back out it just because they they know yeah. This is this This off of the very first album better. How and it's very inch alien on that album but it works very well as going into the back half of that album because after that is only like one or two more songs after that and then the albums done. That's the end of the album so and i know this ended up being one of the singles. The single was and bad. But this one was pretty soon after that and Yeah right now we're home on and then the ending the ending great. Let's give me some time to think of this. Is this relationship actually go any further. Let me think about it. let me think about it. And then finally he's so frustrated and he just blurts out. This never happens with a great thing of this. Is that band up and up together. Because he says he'll appear forever and then that's the girl who's singing him left in the dark keita's peaches goes and cheese. He's like can't stand this woman. I'm starting recognise lon-wrong the coast singer on the selling when billy from night. I'm was ellen. Foley i foley I don't know if you wanna look at flowing again. The next song ready again yours yours genre. Change where you get into woman walking. Yeah all right And funny enough. We were only about barely three minutes and song in still another seven minutes left. So that tells you how long the song is Anyway we're going to go right to mind number one on the seven my number seven. We're finally going to get some bonnie tyler on this motherfucker. Let's do this. So this is ravishing. Which is off of bonnie. Tyler's album many that she did with the stein. The first one Is it off of I think. I believe it's off of faster than the speed of light if a if not it's off of Oh god why am. I can't flaky onto a secret dreams and forbidden desires This is the first time. We're hearing body tyler on this on this countdown She had that voice of that barack voice that he was looking for. And it's it's the funny thing about this on. I love the song one of my favorite songs. And it's actually in the second verse that makes me love it the best one when singing ravishing ravishing And i love them no. It's not this one. I pulled up that chris. Talk to me about this one In your opinion on this ravishing. I simply again a little abba a little inspiration from just a limb. Bonnie tyler is a wonderful singer just wonderful. She'll never be able to hit those notes again. God bless off. It is in your hearing a little like to me. I get a little bit. That transsiberian orchestra novak to This is not one of the more well-known bonnie tyler's for me. I've heard it couldn't tell you if it's been in the past two decades that i've heard this song but i think it's wonderful. I think you're absolutely right to to put this on your top ten. I like it better. I mean the one that that almost nick. This outlives rebel without a clue which i love. Because it's such a long song. The middle part is amazing in between Maybe at the end of the podcast won't be what we Go out to rebel without a clue but it's really good Coming into the second verse. There's a bit alert that makes me love this the most but i. I'm trying trying to find the lyric Do oh by the way a chris did find that ellen. Foley was on ninth floor so first season she played. Billy young rose odd edge the role that markie post took over illiteracy yup And ellen foley also was in into the woods off broadway and on broadway a couple times she was. She's a notable actually. She's very active on facebook. And actually. I'm friends with our facebook. So i love you the shooting. That's my little right melody. In the back or not the lyrics of nova. That's that's that's my favorite lyric in the entire song and it's just matlock tonight. I have nothing to for all right. We're leaving funny tyler. And we're going to go back to some meatloaf and boy. Is this one. I'm surprised this one's not online That's right. I do anything for love but it won't do that what i tell you. What won't he do chris. Talk to me about this song. Please bad outta hell to back into hell. This is the first song on offer that the first single off this album overplayed. Yes at that time but made it number one into twenty eight countries. So i guess the radios had a reason to to keep playing the song lorraine crosby is the name of the lady who sings with him later on in the song not on night. Court i was just reading up on her. Apparently her first solo album. She'd been doing a lot of collaborations. Her first solo album came out in two thousand eight so much later than bat outta hell to came out. Yes lyrics aside just listened to the crescendo in this the piano very reminiscent for me of van halen with semi hagar that era I don't know who wrote off of who but Because if you go back to right now Round the same time. Sammy hagar van halen. That was another great ballot. I hear a little bit of Of sticks in this in this one. I hear a lot of status yes This one this was the song meatloaf basically came back and said. Can i still like this. Oh hell yeah. I can still sing like this. And it's the video if i recall from the video. This is the beauty and the beast story directed by michael bay directed by michael bay had all the elements of being great ballad and again number one in twenty eight countries at the time. Overused overplayed it. If this was ninety two ninety three. I would actually dropped us off my top ten list because of how often was played but enough time passed by that. I haven't heard this Except for some commercials. Fuck you advertisers. For for doing this but Yeah i what do you think about the song. I love this song. It's one of my favorites i agree with you on the piano bit. The building element is the piano and that piano melody building building building. And it kinda seems to me the combination of everything amazing about the meatloaf. Jim steinman collaboration. The music the melody to the lyrics of the funniness of the lyrics the epa kness up the score and then the repeat of you know building emotion emotion and then the very end. You have a duet. Which if you look at the lyrics. It's the kind of crazy will you Were you Who's down with holy water. If i get too hot i mean. Some of this stuff is crazy but has an a. i call myself recovered. Covid recovering catholic. I love that imagery of like. I grew up with that kind of stuff and so fun. It's so fun to be sacrilegious. Sometimes I will say to other things about about this song that made me love number one in the movie sausage party when you know which one i mean if you haven't seen when when the classic guy in girl break up and move that walking in each other this song is playing and because it takes place in the in a convenience store. The grocery store meatloaf is literally singing. It not me. It is meatloaf but a piece of was a an animated mood low. Trust the meal that which is a side joke to rocky horror picture. show meet low And then the other thing i was gonna say is that i really wish and i think i can possibly do it. There's a list of songs in One of weird al's yankee vicks books. And this was one on the list of songs that he wanted to parody. But he couldn't come up with good enough parody but his title was. I would eat anything for lunch. But i won't eat that. And i almost want to steal that in just do my own parody of of it. Just because that's so brilliant him just thinking and i would do i would eat and the thing for lunch along the you know to me. That's hysterical Yeah This you cannot have you cannot cannot not have this on a On a jim steinman this is classic and this one Meatloaf in. Jim steinman their first and only grammy. It's amazing it's amazing to think it took them that long over twenty years of rations But this was. This was the most anticipated album of theirs. Because they knew it was gonna be a semi sequel But yeah that's a i overplayed it was. It's still on my top ten. Because i love it. Hey all right. We're going to go back to my number six this one again. I'm on bonnie tyler run. I can't get off of bonnie. Tyler's dick here alone A little bit more subdued by loving us a dirty job. But someone's gotta do it Actually heard that there was another not none other version of this but Another song they had a title by the by rats. It was a loving us a dirty job. I'm the man to do it so This one's better though It's a it's a very much a pop ballad eighties. Pop out of this is off of her Still offer her second album Secret secret secret secret fears and forbidden desires. I think it's called a camera on my head And this is a duet with todd. Rundgren at the time. So this is another Beautiful beautiful song. I loved the song. And not only do i love it. I love the middle bit. Jim steinman saws the melodies. Feel so familiar to me. Like they like someone else wrote them in east stealing them and putting them in their own but then you realize now they have some thing reminiscent to it like When they get into the the doing you know The the middle of the bridge of them singing together Lines so chris tell me what you think of this on When mr rendering just came in. I got total flashbacks of a boy man. I don't know what it was like. I was like. Did the new kids cover this bunny. Tyler and joey mcintyre put a title like this on a single right like you're looking at the forty five album and need for lyrics. Just go right onto the vinyl because it's so long no it's a great song. It is a again under slade. Bonnie tyler gem i. I can't say enough it's it's wonderful It you you are absolutely right. It's got that balance five. Which many of. Jim simon stuff including going into the nineties. I've felt like But yeah it's a great. Collaboration between bosnnian jim steinman and two todd. Rundgren join you in. Yeah you gotta love it. Yeah so it's it's just it's it's just amazing Like i said it's very familiar. Very catchy and you know the fun thing about juice diamonds is a lot of them are very very good job worms. But they've better than like the boy band pop here. You're things there's something deeper happening in between something deeper that's happening between the two of minutes a lot about baggage and a lot about emotion and what have you so you know you can't you can't you can't miss it Go wrong and go wrong. All right we wouldn't be anywhere without the song being on our Our on christmas list so this track album number talking about number five coming at you. That's right we're talking about bad hair out of hell. Chris talked about this really sure. I've heard this phrase before bed outta hell come on. Well all right intro. Starts the first place. My mind went to was the hope that insane keyboard riff at the beginning. The who didn't use a whole lot of keyboards when they were live on stage but he townsend that qatar. He is played at guitar very similar. The way that this was. Yeah like if you take this and match it up not necessarily with some of their early stuff but if you match with like quadrophenia you're kind of influence back and forth which is something that townsfolk always have a. Yeah you're right. Very quintessential seventy seventies. I don't wanna say acid rock but kind of acid walk. It's a little bit here much. This is This is a light up a joint on the head and enjoy it on the table. Yeah i i love it. I love it took reason that this album is vital. Bat outta hell because they they now this song in it or maybe it's a chicken and egg. Maybe they titled the album data. How the hell tim simon. Why don't i write a song on bat outta either way so this does exist somewhere so Funny enough This was originally it going to be called from what. I've read all wrapped up enough and nowhere to go funny enough that neither one of us had that song on our list. But that's another great sauk. But that was gonna be the original mike title song and in the the record company wanted to be like a real catchy thing so that was when jim steinman wrote on that and he did the whole thing and it's it's he said it's it was his own message to leader of the pack and tell laura i love her. Learn a song about motorcyclist gets into an accident and not only. Does the motorcyclist die by it. It's so graphic that his heart bulges out of his body and flies off into tomorrow like a bad yup gifts the of course and again going back to science party they do to the cover of this of the host to jumping with flames behind him in the meatloaf leaning back. I mean this is. I had a conic Album cover to say the least. Yeah oh yeah you cannot have. I mean it's a ni- it's a ten minute song. It's ten minutes my friend. I mean it's not can't get more. Jim steinman meatloaf even though you're absolutely right but we're going to continue because we are I'm gonna give my number five and then we are officially going into the our number four. So let's take a look at number five on my list If ways why you know praying killer go Say hey so. This one's a may not be well known. But i remember. I was thirteen years old. When i found this song and couldn't get enough of that. This is an oldie but goodie from my mind. This was when i started realizing who jim steinman was an start to put pieces together but This one is called safe. Sex when it comes to loving you off of the original sin album of pandora's box on a four Ah four female vocalist group that stem and together basically and and produced himself Unfortunately the album didn't do too well. That's why you've never heard of pandora's box. But i think this is a great album that i think that's a one of their songs and it's the third track on the album so with it. It completes my theory of if you listen to the third track of the and you the third track you're gonna like the whole album Which i think is valid but chris tomb. Not song at all. Do you have an opinion on on this one. I'm getting sticks in journey in this. I hate to compare them to other things. It's it's more likely that sticks in journey ripped him off Not familiar with this one. No this one is is may have heard it on album. Listen a long time ago but no this is. This is not a ring. Any bells for me again. The amazing thing about this one is that when it gets the end which is twenty minutes away from now It turns into a kind of lull abide. Because the whole thing sounds like it's a music walks playing and again. This is where chris saying how. It's feels transsiberian. There's a little bit of transport you can get the influence that transsiberian had from people. And from these jim steinman specifically som-. I mean this woman is singing nearly about how she loves someone and she also realized that that she she's not gullible. She's not anything and she realizes that there's no safety with this person that she's fallen in love with it just so happens that she saying business thing as safe sex when it comes to love you again. Jim steinman joe penis. Wow and to look that up. That is not steve. Perry right versus The the the lead singer on this. Is it safe perry. No it's a woman. It's female singing the song. Are you sure because that is an area that is. That's why i was. I mean even before they started singing. I'm i'm googling at the same time some of the cords. The court progressions at the beginning reminded me of both six and journey before i even heard this. A who is the female vocalist. I have pandora's box When i look it up is here. We go This song was sung by ginge. Gina taylor so the Vocalist for For banned words. Box where ellen foley ellen. Foley came back in and saying on number of tunes Gina gina taylor. Holly share would and allan caswell the four of them singing and the background vocals are them. So it's house female vocal female vocals and it's and it's an their harmonizing all the same time so even though so basically one is singing It's literally girl band. Wanted singing lead the entire time. The rest of them are harmonizing with them. That's why you can hear my more fresh that she commits the harry's note or that steve perry invented permeates. Because that's where my brain went at one point i was h. e. sounded very much like see perry. Wh mind mind is is reeling from this. It's literally really chris. You really need to look this band at like this. Listen to this album on youtube when we get to. It's all coming back to me now. Obviously not to give anything away but it's on chris you just did When we get to that there's two versions. One is the one that chris was talking about this span covered. It was the original version. And you need slow so but yeah I just love the sun all right. Let's go back so now we are to know before and guess what number four we match again harare. I know it's because christner love it's fine Just don't tell leslie my life the next Song is again from bad. Nfl too full this. That is my favorite. I've worked out to this one. I've been on the treadmill. I've worked out to the song so many different times. I love this song I love the intro. I love just how rock it is like this is pure unadulterated rock. And that's why. I wanted it on mine like this is. Jim snuck playing any pretenses in the lyrics. Don't really matter but they seem to work very well. But it's like out of the frying pan into the fire. And we're going into this. It's like let's rock out right now chris. What was your. What's your opinion on the sun. I love this song. You're absolute rights great workout song Beginning little reminiscent baba o'riley nother story being told it's just When we say that a lot of the meatloaf jim simon collaborations kinda sound the same. This one comes in with that. Big musical sounds which kind of sets it apart a little bit. Yeah is it similar to others on the list or even not on the list and other albums. Yes but great. It's a great collaboration between the two and Again this is another one where it was on. Jim steinman Solo album. It was it was on bad for good With the laurie died. Singing the verge. And it's it's okay but this has a has much more rich too much more of like a a halt to it and then It's great persian. And it is the kind of i want song with The bat helm musical so it does appear in that and you andrew a holik who who sings it exits asked to the nth degree. This young kid can sing it to the to amazingly ooh the news particular aright joints. Good choice for both of us. 'cause that was both our number four all right so we're going to go back to chris christie's number knife. Three bonnie tyler. I know i took them off for me. That's Yeah chris's number three. Were in our top three. We're in the homestretch. Let's get this done so we are living in a powder given Every now and then i get end to nab common ground ever now man i gave this new two of its down my raw. Dan navarro again. Then look off long chain. If i had to guess i think this is one of his most well known song toilet clips of the heart on tyler Office at first album. Kerr wittstein faster than the speed of light Fit remix made popular again in the nineties by nicki and it does appear when christmas talking about that news photons fair impera it does appear in that as well because jim steinman swears that he wrote a song based on Notre demos most toronto. And that's actually about vampires and original title was fan pires in love. I don't know if it's true but it's great song. And i will also say chris before you get into your your opinions. I will say that. I thought for the longest time. The male vote voice was meatloaf. Rory dot yeah. I knew it would not be won't do all right chris. Touch me about the side. Oh well let's listen to the buildup fallen in now. Only falling nothing to civil shenault into the chorus that horace the actual chorus in the background that gospel chorus the greek chorus. It's just one of those songs that gives you. The fields. And i will be the first to admit the nicki french version is what got me into the original. Going to clubs and everything. The nicki french version was the one that i was more familiar with. A friend of mine had to bring me back from that and say you should listen to this version. And i did Yeah again overplayed probably almost definitely overplayed But it is just that gorgeous blend of bonnie. Tyler's voice at that time With an asterisk. Duet the story the lyrics the crescendo. Does the big band sound the chorus. Chuck's checks a lot of boxes off for me and that's why it was ranked so high on my list. Yeah i agree with you on that It's i like it again. It's not one of my. it's not on the obviously. It's not on my top and it's not one of them are trump Bonnie tyler songs Because i think that the notion you talking about the overplayed minutes of it because it's it's overplayed to the nth degree at this point and you're right. I think i heard a live version of buying trying to sing an cheat. Sheet trump firmly running walk. But it's no skin. It's agreed on an it was originally offered to meatloaf it was i will. There are more reasons for me to hate it. Which is actually a testament to outgrow songstress. Because i do there's there's someone for a former someone in my life who This song reminds me of and I should hate it more than i do. But i just love it. It's it's it surpasses hate. That's the smart. But it was supposed to go on meatloaf's Third album midnight in the midnight at the watson found but the record company would not pay jim steinman for the songs so he told them to kick rocks and gave it to bonnie tyler. The other son that was supposed to go to meatloaf was love is nothing at all which went to air supply and at one point jim steinman had a number one number two on the billboard charts number one was told clips a heart number. Two make love. I nothing at all this managed genius. Yo suck egg. Go find a puddle ugly. All right. we're gonna go into My number three this one again. i don't know of course you know this one. Let's find out This one is off of meatloaf's This is off of. I know that one. That's the sketchers. Go walk and sketchers album. yes This song is off of meatloaf's Forgettable album who gives a fuck that attitude A on the senate ground a man who okay. So if you don't know it's one twins called surf's up Was off of Album it was originally on jim simon's debut album is a solo album And the lyrics as you can imagine are rarely bow A guy one sex with a girl. Yep a lot of jim. Steinman stuff is literally like young people feeling youngest moment in wine to feel young this forever thing i mean he says like i'll never feel. I'll never be like this again. In and then he starts describing. How things are going this. The one thing. I will say also about steiner's i found that very formative era Right around those about to go into high school eighth grade into ninth grape and i began to realize how poetic lyrics in popular music could be. And that's when i started to kind of ever like what he does and my own. Songwriting in fact the first lyric ever wrote that. Got me into a creative writing. Group was a teacher walked. By after i finish a test and i was writing in my journal and i literally wrote the line. The night is running with a demon. I and full of fear and the guy was like you should be my creative writing class. And i'm like sure why not. I don't know anything about that so this is very formative. And this is one of my favorite songs and the fact that it says. How hard do i have to try. Surf's up and so again. It's jim steinman being jim. Steinman chris. Have you heard that some the flight. Now i have this is actually. It's not as popular karaoke bars. But i've definitely heard it I've heard some well intentioned men attempts after a few beers It's really tough to sing. I it's a. It's a meatloaf like high third. See much of it. Much of it is So i would say zero percent success on the ones that i've heard In my travels at the as i frequent karaoke bars. I'm now it's a. It's a great song not on my top ten just because i mean jim. Simon got a huge cadillac to choose from so But i can understand. Why would make it on your absence. And the best part is you're gonna hear meatloaf and why those those trump is you thought they could do. Cry was great. It is a great song. All right we're gonna go to number two for mr chris here And this one. We kind of spoiled already. But hey it's a wonderful song It almost made my top list but It didn't So in case you noticing we re playing. It's all coming back to me now off of celine dion album falling into you and this was produced by jim steinman. The song in particular was written and produced by it by Chris about the sun. Oh this is another one. Where i think the time that came out was i probably in high school when it just brings back. Invokes a lot of good memories nick. This got played a lot when we were going up to canada for trip course trip And of course it was on repeat because we all have. Cd players the repeat button play for second camps whole. I just have to coming to you. It's so hard to sir. It was was too two all right. take any one of the unrequited love songs from abba and could it to a ballot. That's pretty much what you what you've got because we've talked about abba love song from the past and it's always about like you but you don't love me or you were so toxic but i'm still with you this again. The story i banished you. I banished every memory that you and i have ever made but when you hold me like this you're talking to your ex it's to me. That's that's the story. You're talking to your ex. There was there. Were some bloodshed in that relationship the asleep but when you hold me like that oh i remember the way that you used to hold me It's sad it's well. Probably because i'm coming from a happy place in my life it's sad because you can remember. Even though you banish every memory That's basically a metaphor for i throughout every picture. But you still have your memories Things were so bad you ended this relationship but now they're back and i'm falling in love with you again. There was a reason why things didn't work out the first time But it's it's when it comes out of ms salinas. John's mouth god damn it. This is a great song. you're absolutely right about that i will The amazing thing about this one. According to stein now this is according to him. the writer. This song is originally written four nights and the reason is is that he wanted to write the most passionate romantic love song that he could ever right into him. Weathering heights was like quintessential passion and love and the moment. he is composing. This what moment were talking about here is and this is this is what's has said. He says the novel always made to polite is always been in the movies. This isn't willing heights of key. Oche that the fanciful weathering heights. The c may always cut out. Is the scene where heathcliff digs up catherine's body and dances in the moonlight on the beach with it. I cannot think of. I can you. I think you can't get more operatic or passionate in that. I was trying to write a song about dead things coming to life. I was trying to write a song about being enslaved obsessed by love not just enchanted unhappy with it. It was always about the dark side of love about the ability to resurrect it. I just put everything i could into it. And i'm really proud of it. He put his whole soul into that song. Exactly and because i had mentioned it before he had Another ban had a band and the band coverage of the one that the version that we know is celine dion. And it's brilliant. It's right at it was right. When cellini on was getting big in america it was huge. This pre is after viewing the beast. Everything that happened with that But this can be whole like. I'll just have to so to. It's a to to so let's just a little bit of the original version Son by i lean caswell who reportedly collapsed five times due to exhaustion while she was trying to record and she was one of those members of indoors. She was all right. So we're going now to number two. I hate to To get off that. But we're going to get to my number two so we can finish is up so it's not too late This one we're going to finish my list up with bonnie tyler We were talking a little bit about her first album with jim. Steinman this namesake. Tour barney tyler. Faster than the speed of night. When i got into jim steinman. I listened on towels on. I've listened to the hips. I didn't know the other ones that he had done on. The album. misses the or maybe the the He produced two other songs on her on this album. The festive and speed the night but this is the other one that he wrote. And i didn't find until i was probably in college and i had it on forever because i love this piano play the piano bitterness amazing so much so that i've actually tried to figure out how to do it and people actually told me unless you are a trained pianist. You cannot play this. Absolute tend to agree with the Chris you you must know the song right. I do know this one again not played often while he doesn't get any radio. Play that you have to get the elbe michelle. This is amazing song this. You're absolutely right. The piano solo at the beginning again that he other percussion bonnie's wonderful voice raspy at the time much rest now but no i can. I can absolutely see wide was the number two and the other thing is when it gets into a later. He styling balls almost from queen of the night because there is counterpoint. Happening where Bonnie tyler singing the melody and hitting high note but there's a soprano getting even higher note and singing like a desk. Canton like an aria of her own while the piano is still going. Mba's drums are amazing. You know the piano bit again. You can hear transient orchestra being influenced by this because this is pretty much. You know everything in nyc castle basically off of the album so Yeah i am. This is another workout song. This one in objects the ruby mirror our treadmill workout socks to me. This is one that trump you up. So let's find out where on number one from his tour. I n my list with miss bonnie tyler ms. Bonnie tyler is bonnie tyler. Ms raspy voice. Who is a true so she had. She never stopped smoking. I don't i think she smoked. Most of scotland mentioning stark raving love earlier which is often jim simon solo album. That didn't do too well. He borrowed this melody from that. So this melody of the exact same start renting love And and obviously this is from footloose album or mount for euro covert by fitchburg right Oh so try to into white number one. I will say one thing. I love the fact that south park. Basically borrow this whole thing for a song in team. America colt montage. Like it's all they absolutely borrowed. This name is a very sincere former florida. i can see why this is number one field. I really can driving driving. Move drive and chris. I have to ask you old enough for your eighty go or not a white knight on a fiery steed but I'll take a haughty in honda any day ago. All right so we Heard all chris's Top ten list. We're going to finish off with my number one. This one again. People might not know the name camp anyway. So this is called tonight is what it means to be. Young this off of the soundtrack to the movie streets of fire. Walter hill movie They wanted bruce springsteen song to finish off and they couldn't get the rights from bruce so they asked jim steinman if he would write a song and this is what he gave us an. I love song. This is an amazing song. This is jim simon bingham. The tempo changes monday. It's i i love this. And he did reuse. Use this for that Ten step empire. this was written for musical. This was written stage weather. He or not. I didn't even know that there was going to end up on a stage this written for an audience coming out so yeah in The end of dance of the empire's they'll come out and they sing this and it's basically like instead of today when it means to be young. It's you're going to see the vampires dance that's what The song ends up being in. I mean yeah you're right into driving song it's a driving thing it's you know I love it and the movie is. It's okay it's not great. It's not great movie but the ending that this takes place on with a singer on stages literally the end of the movie and our heroes leaving town. It's really amazing. The way they put it together. It's one of the best sequences in the movie. So i'm getting that. I'm getting a little bit of that van halen. Sammy hagar elegant i am. I actually did get some hints of a total eclipse of the heart as well but No it's it's amazing so That's list we got through everything a couple more songs on our list but like i said we only have ten that we could put on There's a handful of once. I wish we had time to talk about Is actually one off of the everley. Brothers that the other relatives covered covered As a song called a kisses a terrible thing to waste which tom that lyric ended up in whistle down the wind so jim steinman cycles most of his own ship. And why not. He owns the dam ship But he does it in a way. That like doesn't like nickelback has away recycling near ship. That's very true chris any parting words. Anything else that we didn't talk about steinman that you'd like to know i reading up on him Because we haven't heard much Steam in in a bit Two thousand four. He did suffer a stroke where he lost the ability to speak relearn the I think we've got outta hell. We've got into the vampires. I think there could be another. I don't want say jukebox musical. But i think there could be another at least one more theater. Collaboration of jim steinman either from his previous catalog or if he has something new up his sleeves. I would love to hear something new but i understand too. I mean you gotta take care of your health. i. I'm not saying that. I'm writing one. But you know they might be. You know fan at its fan versions. Put out there you know you can't you can't say anything of that but yeah i'd want to see something i always wait for. Something new from steinman I hope something more. I hope he's not done. I know he's recuperating and taking it easy. I mean the man did all these hits. He gets paid a great deal. I mean yes royalties alone. He's good for the rest of his life. I but i'd love to see it and if you are interested in listening to his demos they are available online for a on Dream pollution visit a youtube channel. That has all of his demos. Not just the bad ones but also other ones that he's done that are unreleased songs at this point and a version of making lebanon. Nothing at all with an additional Lyric which is one of my favorite lyrics of all time All right so chris Any words Peace love respect. Were bring those things back. Exactly Chris where can people find you and find your work. You can find me online. Massimo's fans dot com or the mass knows fans facebook page Also find me and on your favorite podcast service at mass most fans Also a frequent collaborator on the battle. Wounds podcast you can find me on match show. The web critics a up. Sorry the movie critics a web series like trying to remember. The words on that were season two is being written as we speak and speaking of season to season. Two of putting into together podcasts. By our friend peter cosmos affreux. Nas is available on your favorite podcast service. That's where you can find me also massimo's fans on twitter. I don't use a lot. So my apologies. If you're looking for sage advice on twitter. I can't offer it But i can show you all the things that i like. Which is basically disney. So yeah that's where you can find me. Very good chris For coming on the show. So like i said one of my resolutions in two thousand twenty one is to make you more frequent guest as i've so i appreciate being asked And thank you for listening Check out the upcoming episode. We have some more upcoming episodes coming out. We have a couple more Play readings of our new series Coming up Chris extra can be a part of one but that's not until way later were Kind of work on the script a little bit. But i really hope that everyone listens to everything be safe. Continue wearing masks. If you haven't gone new vaccine and just be smart. Be safe and bonnie tyler. Can you please take chris. And i out have a great evening and take care of yourselves. Thank you when plan your next. Disneyworld disneyland or disney cruise. line vacation. 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Happy Birthday, Christmas

Optimism Vaccine

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Happy Birthday, Christmas

"It's optimism vaccine and joining me for this very merry holiday special. He's currently wrapped up in front of the fire with his martin. Socratic afghan atta myrow here. I don't even know what that means and see the fucking article. It's like the most popular article on the internet. It was in. I think l. magazine. It was it was about this. This woman and she worked for bloomberg and she was covering the farm. Bro martin schick rally or skelly. I don't know how to say his last name. Whatever pharma bro. And whoever that he ended up yes so she was covering him when he was going through his trial and and all that shit and she ended up getting really close to him and like divorcing her husband and then he went to jail and now they're like boyfriend and girlfriend are planning on getting married after he gets out of jail allen. He won't speak to her now. Oh yeah no he got because he's allegedly trying to protect her so that's why he won't speak to her but the two parts of the article that really stick out which is saying something because the whole thing is just full of like just horrible shit but one the first time. They kissed the woman remark that they kissed in the visitation room at the prison and it smelled like wings. Which i thought was good so yeah just imagine making out with the farm bro. And in prison visitation room. That smells like fried chicken. And then the other thing was she only has one picture of them together and one of the other prison wife's was like oh. It's such a cute picture of you guys. And so she made the farm lebron's girlfriend like a blanket with the picture on it so she could rapper. Self seems pretty normal. I think i'll just wait for the net flicks miniseries. Yeah i see. My mind immediately. Went to vincent skier. Elliott was like what vincent ski rally afghan look very similar. I would imagine also joining us. Jackie bag jack. Why do they play the national anthem at the end of the night in ireland. When you're at the bar gets people. Believe i've actually i don't know i mean i've i haven't played the irish national anthem. I don't. I don't know how good one i've chimba snug country from england just wanted to say. Zombie by the cranberries. Or are you too. I mean did you by all rights should beautiful day or something like that. Yeah that would make more sense. The national anthem zeke. It's good one. So soldiers saw soldier gets up to but yeah it's good. It's good rising words. Good it's it's honestly and the scale of of national anthems. I think it's there. Frankly maybe not as good as a french but like better numerical national garbage national anthem asks mute. Shifts are not bad. Yeah i used to. I didn't. I didn't know this about the the irish bar thing until i went ireland but Back when i used to go to normal bars in america i would constantly like usually when you know people are really really drunk so somewhere around one. Am or twelve thirty where it's not bar closed but people are kinda a little tipsy. I would play the national anthem on one of those internet jukebox. Things and i'd throw like five bucks in. And i would just play it like as many times as i possibly could. And it's a great experience because people especially drunk people don't really know what to do in that situation so you're at a bar. Do you take off your hat. do you try to find a flag to stand towards you. Put your hand over your heart so it was. It was always amusing for me. Just laughing idiots trying to just figure out how you're supposed to behave when some asshole played the national anthem at a shady bar. So that's that's a good one. I honestly just making this up. Because i call Ever hearing the national anthem when irish bar closed. But maybe it's the thing to they brought it in afro you consistently disappoint me with your irishness. Yeah know what fucking corner because for you hung out that dublin. No-no douse listen. Maybe if you're a cool nor side dubbed like me you know a few things dot this tradition by changing the national anthem to closing time by some ice on it So that would be good classic. It already is kind of like i mean. That's that's the go-to i think in like minneapolis. Right year. that song every time you go to the bar like oh time. People in minneapolis are absolutely obsessed with semi. Sonic which i imagine. It's just because the cold has frozen their brains and they've ceased to function properly. Humans seems relevant to modern. America's darsur also joining us today. Jake sear. Jake how's it going man. How's that catchphrase trademark yet. I'm jake going down to the patent office. Tomorrow i like the different inflection that you kind of plan with their. I think i think he's got a real money maker on your hands it's true. Hey question how do we feel about the of the canadian national anthem boring. Yeah it's not offensive but it's not particularly exciting. I guess you could say that about almost anything canadian at this point can't even conjure up a memory of they don't use god save the queen. They moved all that standard great over two words though canada. That's all you need. Oh canada that's okay. I just forgot. I guess that clarifies might might excitement of talks on that national that i completely forgot it existed. So you you gotta end on like a big note right and with us in america. It's the land of the free home of the brave blah blah blah blah. That's shit and in canada. It's were you stunned on god. It's like what are you. What are you garden man. I don't know it just it just kind of standing around. It doesn't it doesn't have that immediacy to it. This point for covid positive. Americans sneak over the border for it's Yeah that's true. I think finally it makes sense. People finally wanna go there now. I like canada if anybody in canada wants to give me a job so get citizenship. I'm available optimism. Vaccine gmail.com for all the job offers. You wanna send me. I have no applicable skills. At all. I do have. My boss. gave me a large bottle of homebrew beer for christmas. Which i am drinking right now i. It's not bad is the shock of the century. It's it's pretty. It's pretty damn good. Pretty boozy too so not that my bosses listening but it's good shit. Shout out of boss. Beer normally get home brew beer and it's either like flat as faulk or super over carbonated and this actually tastes good. It's well-balanced carbonated while it's bizarre. But anyways we're supposed to be talking about movies right. That's what this podcast about when we should start now extensively fuck it. Let's let's talk. Brought my bosses beautiful while you guys can't buy it but i'll sit here and drink it now. Let's we watch christmas movies. It's christmas what the fuck you think we're going to do so yeah we watched kirk cameron's saves christmas. Same you'll like. Christmas has been hijacked by all the commercialism and those who wanna replace merry christmas. Happy holidays. Or season's greetings whatever that means a carjacking but like of our religion and guess what santa got into car kicked go lynn bowling berlin and took the took it is i. I just want to say i'm not done playing the charlie but this wants twice as long as the trailers normally are. Because it's full of shit that i knew would piss you guys off time. Somebody spoke up this christmas dive head first into all of the joy. I love dancing. The celebration the feasting the imagination and traditions that glorify the true reason for the season miles. What's the true reason for the season. According to kirk cameron. We've got to celebrate for when god took material form by embracing materialism thesis of this film. So good it's so good. I mean pe- people listening. I think that's a joke and that we're like taking jackson. Simplify but that's literally is the easiest of the closing rejoinder to take away. Is that materialism is good. Because jesus wants basically god's material form this just kirk cameron's capitalist christmas. It's basically an entire screed against natal. A kind of counterpoint. That you should never feel bad about spending a lot of money having nice things at christmas. Because that's actually everything you want to do for. Christmas is actually worshiping. God and that's it so by everything and it's new age gospel of prosperity. Which i love because you know me. I'm a big. Tammy faye bakker guy and jim baker guy so this really spoke to me on a lot of different levels but yeah. That's that's pretty much it. That's the whole thing. Is you would think the traditional christian route to take here would be like. Oh you can't call it x. We got to put the christ in christmas or needed to recenter on. Jesus no no no. That's that's an old school contemporary christian way of thinking of the holiday. Let me let me twisted back for you. And the way it is. Now is all the santa claus. Christmas tree stuff. That's actually good. And through the power of kirk cameron storytelling. We learned that. Christmas trees and santa claus at all comes back to the big guy. The j. man turns up their trays in the bible so it must be good. I guess i don't fuck exaggeration. But that's that's the exact connection that mr cameron makes. The cross was made a word and well used his literal summation is that adam a the the fruit the forbidden fruit. And you can't put the forbidden fruit back on the tree native to do that. He would have to put himself back on the tree. Jesus was the last adam and jesus was on tree. If we had seen a guy crucified in like a christmas tree parking lot. I may have been able forgive this movie. But we don't and that is don't rhyme. We don't seriously take this movie. Could effectively be used as like a recruitment. Like i feel like i wanna joy upright. Fuck alvin again. Live behind you. I don't know where you where you stand for that one. It's incredible it's a religious movie that is like like i say it's just it's like kirk cameron invent the stroll matches who has bullied. That are nothing are like just basically like christian. But i don't like santa claus and you know what i do like form which are not aware of this. Unless he's arguing with like fucking danish lutheran or something like this exists. Andy just events this person and then argues very convincingly to their satisfaction. That actually everything you're already doing for christmas is fantastic romance it and that's the whole movie. Well this is this again. This is like the new contemporary christian mold. Because you know there used to be people just like well. My brand christianity is. You can't have this and you can't have that because it's it's a it's a false idol and you can't have a christmas tree because of jesus like these people are really fuck exist and then really if you grow up in this contemporary christian environment say circuit twenty years ago or whatever. It's just like. Hey what if church was just as fucking terrible but yeah you can wear khaki pants and somebody's going to strowman acoustic guitar during the church service. You like albouy. That's great now. This whole new thing is they have to take it one step further and they have to justify literally everything that they that they enjoy all the all the beautiful riches of capitalism that just completely allowed to engulf them so not only that but then you have all the other things going on in here where you're just like fuck like who knew contemporary christian music had gotten this bad. I thought it was bad again like twenty years ago. But here we are it is just completely transcended into something else entirely. It's it's horrifying assault on the senses in every way shape and form and it's terrifying. Well let's let's do it. It's it's great movie really in terms of these like the blackout reach in. It is remarkable thing. The air thursday black guy to maybe. I'm maybe up to a great conversation. Yeah and they ever conversation with conspiracy theories that they're all buying into also talks about how Like he complains about like. I'm not even sure what he's complaining about. But he told very fast because that's kind of like being that noted notable black. Comedians have had success doing in cinema. So he's like basically just trying to be late. Eddie murphy chris talker kinda guy but he's just like babbling about like protesting at work because they're taking away like Fun shirt friday as very relatable humor. He's he's lawyering his his employer taking way To like the civil rights marchers in selma in this really off the cuff thing. That's clearly meant to be funny. But he's deeply deeply stupid thing that just keeps going you think he's gonna stop. hey every scene in the film is like it just continues past point where you think maybe the wrapped up at a no. They start doing bits in slow motion just to extend it even further and also it's worth noting the end credits for the film. Musi like ten minutes long. They have the little credits between the end credits. Any like post credit sequence which is just stretch it to eighty minutes. It's fantastic really. Well planned film shocking. How lame this is and at the same time like i don't i can't imagine the audience for this is particularly large. This this makes me want to go like full. Trad cath you know. Like i just cannot take this brand of a fuck in optimistic weirdo super capitalism christianity. I would even take that Who's that that priests. He's not a priest pastor. Whatever the new song pastor guy the guy who got in trouble because he kept cheating on his wife because he wanna like hang out with justin bieber and run trains on chicks even Not austin he's in austin austin but in like faded like hundred dollar diesel jeans and like a v neck. He's new age aussie but like even that guy would think that this was completely fucking lame. So i don't this is. It's barely a movie too so we have to play my favorite game. Which is how much movie is in the movie. Jake any you want to you. Want to gather a guess here of how much actual movie is in this. Like on a scale of what am i. What am i comparing to well. Let's it's eighty minutes long so of that eighty minutes. How much of this is like a movie because it presents itself as it presents itself as a narrative feature film. We should say that. I don't care. But like you know what i mean like what. What is a movie in this conservatively. A good half of that is to assholes sitting in a car. But that's the movie. I got the asked. Kirk cameron's grand intro wherein he invoked. How hot chocolate over and over again. Because that's something people like. Oh he lists all the stuff they like see. I mean he likes chocolate. He likes christmas trees. I love all the kids. He says that the kids so if you off because that's not really part of the movie. And then i think the movie feasibly ends at the at the point where the hip hop dance crew flies it. I think that's there's twenty minutes brandon dance crew which is just a bunch of white evangelical parishioners who are not updates crew. No this movie it ends so you get get this intro with kirk cameron monologue. And then you have the sitting in the car with the with the little cut-away vignettes and that actually actual meat of it is only like twenty thirty minutes and then literally the entire end of the movie is an extended scene of this. This awful lot of this. I wanted to get to the chorus through the fucking. Excelsior robot voice. It's like what the fuck are we doing. Definitely pull that part out so these that blasted their tab. Yeah it's it's okay hip hop dancing ha ha and whatever this is. It's the fucking worse like the singer. Does that that mid two thousand pop punk thing where you have to older nut average fila ball and your whining voice. It's great. It's just constant nails on chalkboard and all of this just this violence. That's being carried out on. Us is all in service of this weird creepy like hyper-capitalist message and then also they sprinkle in the new jerusalem stuff which i'm really into so that's cool to all my fucking god that the hell of specious logic this film to say the least but this thing where he instructs his brother-in-law to to lie on the ground and look up at the presence under his tree. And yeah and the presence are forming a skyline of the new jerusalem. Jesus christ got. It's like it's it's powerful as viking right now. Basically the whole thing is just like yeah. It's like oh. My god new jerusalem jerusalem jerusalem like sixty nine with netanyahu. It's fucking weird. It's really weird. But also very on brand for contemporary christianity. I'd say it's worth liberty. University all their rounding up front. So you you know. You're in like ben sa- voters you bread there. That's great stuff. It's kind of like the The dreaming like floating seen and first reformed. It's it's very similar. Would you say jack. Yeah absolutely there's definitely feeling weightlessness in after after awhile. You just leave your body and try and find the nearest exit auto or like voiding. Your bowels again. Going back to link going back to like who was for. I mean there's an extended. Like i feel at least ten minutes film is explaining that santa claus is based on a saint. All at house. Thanks to you zone applause in this lord of the rings you guys. It's the same thing. Santa claus is lord of the rings. He's totally jacked. He's constantly walking in slow motion. It's got that like super slow mo homo erotic like three hundred look to it. Everything is just glistening and god. Yeah santa claus. I'm not sure that level art to what's trumps me about this. Bill is like es and eighty minute long infomercial. In his it exists solely the cynical to to kind of push a very specific political agenda. The manufacturer of is just so clearly careless. You know there's nothing here that feels particularly altered or anything. It's just one of the snaps. The julius experience that is also hermetically sealed. If you're not already in the choir you're not welcomed this film. This film is not for anyone who isn't already pretty much incomplete agreement about everything in this movie. There's no way anyone else. Because it's just repellent and incredibly boulder i was. I was trying to think of a reason to actually watch this. I couldn't couldn't come up with one. The only thing i could think of was Kirk cameron's sister. Not candace cameron the one that you know from full house. But one of his other sister's she's in this movie. It's her house where the christmas parties is taking place. And i think she looks a lot like klaus kinski and for that reason alone. Maybe this movies worth watching. She kind of does. But then i realized you can watch the trailer and klaus kinski. Cameron is is in there too. So i i really can't think of a reason to watch to be completely out of a really really confusing elements to me. Is that in the in one of the myriads mid post credit sequences the out takes and the the a doubting palm. I guess christmas the one of the stars the main character alongside kirk cameron glorious savior consumer. Yes 'cause Great is the is the director of the film. Also at one point so we'll just drops reference to the fact that he's jewish and i don't know it's a joke or not this out of character but they just haven't mentioned that you know the going making these films. Maybe jewish which doesn't simplify anything about this text Make any sense and other than maybe feedback into the new jerusalem angle. I e juice for jesus. That's that's a good exist. Say on your mind. He might be because his career and it looks like he made like a couple of like great action movies in the nineties at a couple of like a rap documentary or something in the early two thousand so two thousand seven he switched over like jesus and jesus adjacent productions and i guess that's where he'll be forever more is i can't imagine anyone's going to hire him for anything after watching this like this is just eat. Kirk cameron is is the only only person who would look fondly on this unusual or all the children at i mean this. This is one of those films that exists solely to be. Watch point people who here. That's the only draw of this thing. Yeah well i. I think this is just for kirk cameron. Honestly i believe we talked about. There's there's no real audience for this even even within contemporary christianity. You're kind of really weird niche and when this movie came out in god must've been five six years ago. Kirk cameron was upset. Because the critics who don't know anything they were saying that his movie was shitty shitting all over his movie and the rotten tomatoes score was very very low. And this upset. Mr cameron so he said you know what voice of the people he he. He implored everyone that followed him on facebook to go to rotten tomatoes and give the movie a positive score even if they haven't seen it yet because you have to offset the critics so what ended up happening. Instead was people saw that he was asking his followers to do that. So they just review bombed the user score on rotten tomatoes. To so to this day you'd be hard pressed to find something with a lower score on rotten tomatoes really. It's it's pretty rough so which acura down. Yeah that's great. It's couple a couple of things. I wanted to address real quick so the director who plays the shitty brother-in-law his name is darren. Google his name. One of the top results is a twitter account. We go to that twitter account. The bio has four words in it. I am a tool. It's gotta be you to of jesus or wash. It's probably yeah. The other thing is when we go back at wrench for chris that sequence with the the conspiracy theorists conspiracy theorists because they do this thing where they talk with their mugs in further. Like they're hot. Cocoa mugs their mouths and they start laying out. There conspiracies spoken rhyme. But it's just so like obviously eighty yard because there was no way the guys could spit out their words like perfectly onset so like mumble behind the mug and we'll we'll dub in a studio later and it must have like. I wonder how he takes the tried on the set before they realized that this is not working on and the rabbi forgot. The guy wraps style rob at it is agonizing and and yeah you ate your shit. He could written something down and instead it still sounds like he's making it up on the spot and you're gonna be terror jack. How many times have you seen this movie. Fuck you steve. I didn't i subject myself this several years ago for because i'm just kind of a person which why we ended up zoll nasa optimism vaccine in the first place to be honest and i thought that would be. We'd be done with it. And then i believe jake is to blame now because we do a christmas episode. I'll do christmas episode and then after green you saving. Christmas was on goddamn docket so i had to watch it again because my memory rejected. The first wife wants to get again. Sh- union great question. Ms through us as jack's getting divorce papers stocking this year we do our. We're we're doing. The what is poor. casks next. Steve yeah swimmingly. God if i were. If i were trying to knit well watch this by the fucking sweater. We covered in blood. Fucking jam the needle directly wrist all right well other than watching kirk cameron movies. Another thing that we like to do around here is support. The artistic work of one mel gibson. Isn't that right guys oil. Maybe it's time i retired color. You still have some kissel. The deer rifle two goals in the sleigh wanted me absent loathing for a world cup states. Military would like to procure your services. One time deal just got to give him more than less job. A bad didn't mel won an oscar. And then hollywood was just like yeah. You're a racist pilot. And then but like recently because hacksaw ridge one didn't know or didn't know maybe some tech stuff text oak definitely not for gibson who was nominated for real his. That is a movie. that's almost. I would rank almost as bad as they christmas. But benign as mel gibson is allowed to make a big hollywood movie. Not only does he make it despite being racist piece of shit but then hollywood like yes we have. We have accepted you once again. Come to the oscar ceremony where you are nominated for numerous large awards. And then somehow he falls off the wagon again and two of his movies have ended up on optimism. Vaccines this year. So fat man. It's a christmas movie. Why isn't this funny as i wanted to be. Why isn't fatman. Funnier should yeah. I feel like this is I will say this is not a terrible movie to sit down it was actually pretty slick. It's it's not awful compared to force of nature. The last mel gibson movie we watched twenty twenty. Which is appalling is percents. Yeah this pretty watching but it just seemed like it's coasting on a couple of ideas. It's like it's kind of like the set of obviously off like a it's santa's rio. Santa has a naughty or nice list. He gives this asshole kid cole. Because the kid is just terrible person and the kid is in contact with a hitman. Play walker galkin's some reason. This films are cold blooded hitmen. And he hires him to kill santa clauses. Revenge frigging cool. Meanwhile santa takes on a military contract because manufacturing is down to eighty. I don't quite understand santa's manufacturing downturns. I would feel that will be economic check. It's because the the kids today are rotten. So there's not as much need for gifts. That's that's all i see. I'm sorry this is so anyhow Turf fun ideas in this movie about you. Know like a santa as being you know what kind of a a an industrial powerhouse. The us military tax onto a of putting a hit on him. The hitman got cold coles child and scarred him so deeply announcements his life flying other people's toys and the opportunity to get revenge and kill. Santa is personal quest for him. Ostensibly fun ideas and then i feel like they got this idea that if they played real race it would be a little bit wilder Kind of even more offbeat quirky you know kinda like naked going is like you know everyone plays it straight but the differences those films also had jokes like all third funny things to occur and this film doesn't really have that it's just sort of like it's really just kind of sleek thriller. Were one person happens to be santa claus. It just doesn't make sense. Like adam says there is not really a single joke this talker film but the memory. Miss these only quote though. It's a very unusual balance and it does. It just feels very under coke like they kind of like they wrote filmed number. Can you believe we're making film worse. A kid puts it on santa. And it's gonna like. I can't believe that please write the rest of the film. This is a one hundred percent. This is like the cinematic mendoza line okay. This is the the baseline of acceptability a bad movie. It is not a good movie. It is the most movie movie ever. It's funny situation. That isn't that funny. It's an action movie. That isn't particularly thrilling. And i think the problem that it runs into jack you kind of touched on a two with the fact that they're trying to play it a little bit straight here but there's no jokes at all but for me the idea of okay. There's a there's too many bad kids. Bad people in the world so santa production is down so then the government steps senate's this whole like labor dispute santa claus like that whole thing is its own movie in my head and then on the other side of things you have. The kid gets a lump of coal. He gets pissed off at santa because he's a rich piece of shit he could hire a hitman and the hitman goes after the. It seems like the directors of this movie. Because it's two guys. They sat down in a room and they tried to brainstorm mel gibson christmas action movie. They came up with two separate premises and instead of sticking with one they smash them together. And so you have these two kind of half baked things and you have all of this. This just rising action. That doesn't lead to anywhere and by the time you finally to the big gory. Shootout set piece action part of the of the movie. There's like ten minutes left and then it's just done like that. Yeah absolutely running through the plot of the film. And i think you hit the nail the head like if you described the film to someone the plot you realize you were describing two completely separate elements. There isn't the us contract. Santa works military contract. And there's someone put a hit on santa and there like new overlap between them otherwise and there really is. The only overmatched between them is that that means a hit. Mass kill soldiers to get to santa but literally no. Overlap exclusive kill elves. I think that's the only way. Yeah i gather is i i. Yeah i got no clue that first movie is is essentially barry levinson's toys which is a movie i'm kinda fonda but is a pretty the torius Boondoggle back in the nineties. But maybe that's why they felt the need that they had attack on this sort of assassination element is. It's like well it's didn't play then it's not gonna play now it'll never work remains to your money. It's it's but it's not. I don't know this thing doesn't especially work either. I i enjoyed it well enough. But it's entirely based on performance like yeah organs and gibson are both fund to watch and this movie is it gets by on that and i'm almost glad that they made some of the choices they did in the end because what. I saw the trailer for it. I was like oh god. This is going to be some edge. Lord bullshit like a mark millar script to something. I don't fucking care to watch santa the kingsman or whatever and thankfully it's not that it's it's very strange. Intone doesn't entirely work but at least i'm almost happy to shoot out his last headman. The movie Up is much more enjoyable. You just kind of watching to entertaining actors do their thing and I'm okay with that. It's it's not an spectacular but it's totally passable. I agree one hundred percent with adam. I is canceling hateful. As he is in which they hate to say gibson still remains to such a compelling screen presence. i think him being cast as a grumpy. Grizzled santa claus is kinda perfect and You know goggin Is kinda got the more maniacal role that. He's good at but i think he excels With what he's given an. Yeah it's really just this to handwrite with these two guys. Not going like edge. Lord crazy and i i think the final shootout. I actually like the trailer makes. It seem like it's going to be just. Yeah this big war this like rahm where it's guy trying to blow up santa santa's trying to shoot the guy that's like the whole movie but yeah that only falls in like the final ten minutes and it's actually a pretty. I don't know. I thought it was a pretty well. Done shootout for as brief as it lasts but Yeah i i i enjoyed it but I don't know it's just. It's just kinda their unavoidably vitally important because we haven't touched on were also. Is that the shitty kidding. Hit on scientists at. Who hires his hitman previously to kind of role of a young girl. Who's classmate because this kid is like an adolescent these like or whatever and he hires this hit Hires water gardens in previously to rough up with girl because she beat him in his science fair and he can't stand to lose so he roths up select. She'll say she cheated so he gets it because he got second place and also. This kid is the spitting image of like ben shapiro. Joe that was purpose or not but that is also a pleasant element in the film. I did enjoy that. That the the shitty like very high opinion of himself kid who gets cowell for christmas. Exact route is is basically. Looks like ben shapiro little bit so you know kind of connor mashes in pretty well there but yet i mean the film is just sort of it. Feels like a missed opportunity. But it also goes not great the nerves and i will tell you if you watch it after saving. Christmas really really comes out pretty good. They're pretty solid offer. Share for sure actually watched it last. And i know jax reaction in the chad. I didn't analyze it thoroughly. But i thought it was pretty negative opinion after trailer was like oh boy. I don't really want to watch this. So i had super low expectations going in and i hate it i. It's not a movie. I'll probably ever watch again but you know if you're looking to kill some time over this holiday season you could do a hell of a lot worse Sound like you're going anywhere doing anything anyway so you might as well watch mel gibson shoot. People are not. I feel like the problem. Is that like. It's i feel like people are competing for that market of alternative christmas movies. You know for people leaving the funniest thing in the world is at diehards christmas movie and like how can you believe us. Why favorite christmas movies one with guns. And it's like this feels like it's kind of kind of agent that terror pre but it's also very overtly a christmas movie so why is it. Santa claus is one of the main characters. Clear it is. It's not really part of any alternative. Cower is explicitly holiday movie so yeah which kind of laid back inches an overall feeling. It's kind of feel like this could spend a little bit more time in the alva. Just like fine tune get it all nicely put up. whatever Is not the worst thing i mean. The holidays are good time. Sit around kind of and were food. Co. man this movie certainly certainly be on. Tv why're ya. I suppose the benefit of being half baked is that there was no producer to come in and try and fuck and jazz things up. I was just reading like some sort of fucking rambo l. for something i it's thank god none of that shit as it here. There was at least a modicum of restraint in this film. Yeah i appreciate that as well. I guess my only lingering question is how upset was mel gibson when he found out. Mrs claus is black. That's that's a good question. That is certainly was the feels like a choice. That's the first thing. That's the first thing i thought is like they totally did this on purpose. Just mel gibson just throwing chairs in his trailer on set like god it. What did i say. I told you i would never again. She's not one of the news. That's true yeah. That would've gone over way whereas i mean but but then i guess that was the balancing. The counterbalance right was okay. Well we made. The kid looked like ben shapiro. So maybe that'll i but then melts kind of conservative. so i it's just that aga- with with mel overtly threatening per possible jewish child now poison. It's even darker. And honestly i we. Jewish children no get cold for christmas. Arriva that late tonight. This opens the room for the hannukah off to explain all that is true. You so there's a whole cinematic universe here. They'll gives what a piece of shit but he does grizzled alcoholic guy better than all. Sending mel looked good standing next to occur. I that's all it takes. That's all it takes. Well i guess. I guess are onto our last movie here for christmas. And what if. I told you guys that you could have home alone but more violent and a little bit on the french side of things. What do you think of that happy birthday who sing it. Body only and walk. Sorry i feel it's important here. Steve is that that is on the fringe on things. Laid a bony tyler. christmas song. Frankly none of this after said nope it doesn't end. Yeah i mean. I kind of had to play the bonnie tyler song because it's super weird and two. It's a french movie. We all play the trailer. You're not gonna know what the fuck movie or i think. This song was written by the director as well so perhaps it doesn't translate well in english because i don't know what the fuck no this is a. This has big time like when you're watching a movie with subtitles on. The song is playing and they translate the lyrics. Oh yeah. I definitely wanted to see. What what they're saying in this taiwanese pop song with this little. This absolutely could have gone. I mean specifically this could have gone a vision which held in may like this would have been the perfect song to enter like happy birthday christmas in may would i honestly could have won She confronts never win the division one of the rules on that politics assigned. This would have been a solid entry and this is like okay so happy birthday. Christmas is a very strange line to have in your song but truly the all lyrics in this are completely deranged. I would floor you to google them. Look them up. This is this is some serious shit but the entire song is done in. Jesus you'll be one day now. You're just a little bob. You're burning wings will spread. You will be a man. It's this weird like it almost like ties into the movie right. It's like a cursor. Charlie day music for it's always on night man. Well i mean we have also like put the song into context when it plays in the film I mean itchy even issue we begin to discuss. What this this this miracle from echo you detroit. Yeah is okay. we'll fine. It's about a boy named thomas who is he's like If richie rich were a rambo fan. He's got he's got a sweet eighties mullet he's got Like i just a secret dungeon of toys in weaponry. And he's basically outfit is is house with like booby traps in steel. Gating and stuff basically. He's in action loving kid with hyper madge nation. But he's really excited for santa. Visit to see what he'll get Meanwhile a deranged homeless man takes on the santa costume in randomly picks the house one night with the intention of invading and killing the occupants. This leads to a war between the kid and santa claus where he's using his labyrinthine mansion to get around and not be slain. I by father christmas It's got a new release out from vinegar syndrome which has been lovingly restored. And this movie is fucking crazy and It pretty much fucking rules might difficulty explaining this film. Like i mean the plot you outlined the plot and that's like okay. We're sure what i don't understand. This film seems to draw that specifically killing santa claus is a right of passage. She would busted. You're like i. What the what is this about. Eating literally killed santa claus the free four hundred blows but a freeze frame but like i am a man now because i think i murdered santa and i added to well i mean. Isn't that like one of the last things that children believe in santa claus in nets this not. Jv i'm going use to break to my kids. That santa is not real. I mean that that almost makes sense said that one of the first thing. Santa claus does is stabbed kids dog in the throat. Yeah the the bonnie tyler song plays when he buries his dog in the basement. More bizarre things is the again. I appreciate the hell out of this. Because it does everything right for director and cinematographer who essentially done nothing since or before it. Just it's so tight. It follows all the rules essentially. And it's just beautiful shot and looks beautiful even characterization stuff like you could characterize this maniacal santa as such but even in the end they try and breathe a little wife into this character. He's like he thinks he's just playing hide and seek with this kid. It's just yeah. The guys got off his rocker. let's just like bloodthirsty maniac. He just he just wants to fit in. Yeah he thinks he's boy at heart kitty that he doesn't recognize the havoc. He's ricky go bust. This is very touchable in oakland with them. Getting a snowball fight with the children. All the children leave because obviously he's just some crazy old man. Yeah i guess. I guess my disconnected the fill in. It's just the like. I just don't understand the concept of actually merge threatening santa claus because he does kill the dog and is chasing the cia and he does appear threat the entire to be extremely dangerous and has to defend himself in kill him and annette's outlined like the very real not metaphorical very real active. Killing a man is kind of like well brings this child to adulthood which isn't really a universal message. Outside of i guess some of the more were torn parts of the world and some very weird like france is not particularly for like a right of passage of having to an murderer person although ensure wonder if the intent though because i feel like the rambo imagery has some significance. You know like. I feel very worried. Subverting that in a way and actually exploring the trauma. This meeting out on. This kid is gonna come out the john rambo from this that i mean. That's actually a really good point and on the vinegar syndrome. Blu ray i watched. There's a An interview with the director. And that's one of the things that stuck out to me. They were like why. Why did you include the beginning. This this whole like sequence that basically is a shot for shot just stuffer rambo stuff from predator. Whatever and he said that at the time he felt like children's superheroes were demonstrably different from the superheroes that he had when he was a kid so he was just like i like zorro and the lone ranger and they were you know campy and silly and they beat the bad guys and there is violence. But there's a softness everything and he's like whereas like kids now they just like they like rambo and rambo is like a completely broken man and so that was. The idea is is yeah. I mean the kid is essentially. He's he wants to be like his fantasy. His violent fantasy is being this person who the whole thing behind john rambo is. He's got horrible. Ptsd like that's that's the character. So yeah that's that's pretty much it. It's kids want to be a soldier who scenes shit also store. Yeah well. I mean. I think he kind of he easing e he wants to embrace the cool action stuff of rambo but yeah he doesn't realize oh the ptsd comes with the territory. Yeah exactly can't ruined. You can't just capture your dog with a net forever. Eventually you're going to have to murder santa. it's true. I let me just say i was not expecting this film that featured close up of glistening child muscles while a french cover of i the tiger his playing contract. This is weird because it's not a cover. It is technically at original song. But this is. This is not eye of the tiger. You ready for this. It's just an eye of a tiger played minor key that's fucking song unwitting Yeah i mean again to restate this film is it looks incredible. It's got dissing wonderful like rich saturated color pal. It's all in this like soft. Shimmering focus is gonna busy glamorous look to a lot of all. Miniature work is incredible. It's this it's this incredibly ornate zoom in. It's just this sort of just to i any France does not have a rich genre film. A straight something. French peewit acknowledge like france. They have shown filmed. Certainly that have been made. But they're not like you know at the american vote making horror or gangster or films wrench tend to move between those things and this is a really great example of something. That's like a christmas movie. Kinda like home alone clearly. Which came after this. There's some question whether this was influence. You know john cues may be solved this film and clearly cleaned it up a little bit for american consumption. It's a film that exists in this realm of like how who who did they explain this to and they're like i am giving you money to do this now and clearly a considerable amount of money. I mean this is not a low budget looking film and you know the french film industry. Which is you know large. But it's not known for blockbusters. This is a really impressive looking. Fill so the is it for children like who. Is this before we get into. Is it for children. And i would say it's for me what i'm like years old but i don't want my mom to know i'm watching it. This movie was not made for a lot of money which blows my fucking mind. So the director rene manzoor. He made a movie in one thousand nine hundred eighty six called the passage and it was just kind of a cheap any movie essentially but he got a lane lawn to star in it and you probably know him from. I mean he was in zoro's in the leopard. Who was famously samarai. Yeah so very famous. French actor and critics hated it. The shit all over it but it made a lot of money so he was in this weird position where he couldn't really get funding because like the the french critical elite. They were just like no. No no not this guy but he. He had proven that he was a success before and on top of that he decided that he wanted to make a john reform. Because like you said jack. There weren't really any in france and he thought that was a good idea because there weren't any but it complicated matters further because You know they wouldn't give any money to do one. So this movie was basically made with him and his producer from the passage and a little help. From mr elaine dhillon himself and all the money that they made from the passage they basically just shoved it into this movie so it barely had any funding. But if you look at it you'd be like oh my gosh. The french government just gave them a blank check. It looks that good. it's wild. Yeah like tracking shots man. This thing is gorgeous. Makes me like it makes me a fuck. No one knows how to make movies anymore. Yeah i would kill the live. If i saw this as an eleven year old boy i would kill to live in this house. It is act and there's just a lot of like cuts from going out of that house like on the window and it will go up in around like the roof to the other side of the house. It's some real awesome ten shit Yeah it's really years left near you wanna live in house with the day before pre breaking but like a dog with like he's got the secret room with the bridge and all the toys scattered about with the plane generations of toys. Sign the move see. Here's how much focused brogan but being this nonsensical podcast adventure. One of the one of the fills of this. This this movie reminded me 'cause akitas like a a whiz kid. He communicates with a stranger violating mini taylor public computer terminal which i have no idea if that was ever a real thing in france or real shit. It was like proto french internet. Okay so yeah that's right. This reminded me of jumping. Jacks hash is the son of a bitch. Why would goldberg while. I'm watching this deranged french. We love whoopi. Tanko gotta keep it on hand. That's right always always have the homer at the ready one day. We're going to make a million dollars in this podcast. And i'm going to invest in a giant like eight foot long mixing board. But it's only gonna have one button and the buttons gonna say homer and i'll just we've made if we make a million dollars sue us for us entirely possible. See this this is what drives me. Nuts about your. You're saving crispus here. Why do we have to save christmas with had so many angles to approaches. God like Genre christmas we have gone with some sort of little. Lord roy christmas these other two movies have through lives that we had to fuck. Watch that damn abortion. We love. kirk cameron man. Come on sing. What's what's the show that he was on growing pains growing pains right. Show me that smile again. Show me fine. Don't no though mirrored on you cry. I mean come on. That's like a great theme song right. It is and the per production logo at the end of growing pains was just a guy falling off the roof of his house And there's a guy named boehner on that show kirk cameras. Best friend's name is boehner. Cool will a guy fall of houses. Great through this movie were a kid menus onto the gable of his house also adamantly just want to say that he calling kirk cameron's movie and abortion is surely gonna offend him greatly and made him very sad mission accomplished movie. This movie was it. Came to full-term was adopted. Thank you very much. So growing pains is responsible for us. Having to deal with both robin. Thicke and kirk cameron in a roundabout and leonardo di caprio. Wasn't he on growing pains. He's not quite the seasons monster that the other two are poza. That's true all baby but yet this is dial code. Santa claus is is fun. It's a cool movie really good really good check it out. It got it. Looks amazing to like. i mean. i'm sure you could find a cheap rip of this wherever it looked fine on. Vhs or wherever you can get it but if you get a chance to vinegar syndrome. Four k is it looks. Amazing amazing remain shudder. I'm not sure if it's the same transfer or not but it is high quality. Yeah yeah all right boys well. I think it's about time we wrap things up that sound am. I thought we were going to do another hour. On kirk cameron we can i mean. Let's not let's talk about his interactions with children. All the kids mars. What do you put over this week. you know hot. Cocoa stuff can't get enough to put over cyberpunk and i even played a lot of. I haven't been playing a lot of it. I but too busy drinking hot cocoa. Now i suppose the answer is a lot of people probably want like good. Rpg alternative or santen. So i h bomber guy. One of the a better critics on youtube ajeti review fallout new. Vegas that's worth a listen but also you know if you're looking for a really deep good. Rpg that doesn't involve like fairies. Dragons fallout new vegas. It's really good and you know it's been out for like a decade so they actually worked out the bugs. Unlike certain other games are jake. Would he put over this week. I'm just gonna kinda go. Classic and put over shop around the corner the earn slew film from nineteen forty. The jimmy stewart sullivan Watched it for the first time for blind spots the other podcast. They do with the strauss of filming. Corey loved it. It's great scuttled good. Warm time and Yeah i highly recommended shop. Putting over outside jake tapper off. We let them finish. I'm going to put over. Jake's puna were leading jake finish up his over. I'm i'm gonna put over at just random albums listened to a lot. I'm just gonna put over classics signals calls and marches mission of burma. It's amazing everyone. Who's listening to knows. It's amazing but just listen to it again. It's better than you remember to put over one. See they're only quality from this corner Nothing but the good stuff. I'm gonna put over while over two things i'm gonna put over. I put over adam. My rose who does a wonderful job editing. The show and is going to have a lot of fun this time around as he deals with me singing loudly like bonnie tyler into my microphone causing it to peak in distort. I'd also like to put over. And this is gonna sound really stupid but just go with me on this vinegar syndrome. Put out a beautiful version of the beast master. And i'm sure thinking to yourself. The beast master was just mediocre when i was twelve. Yeah it was okay. But not only. There's the movie looked great but in addition to that this may be. I don't know one of the best single film packages. I have ever held in my hands. Rivaled only by the the dawn of the dead set. That second site put out last month. But this is. I mean it's gorgeous. It's this kind of like box that opens up and there's there's a hardcover like insert with multiple dys- and then it's got the magnetic shut. Okay if you have a blu ray case with a magnetic closure on it you're holding nothing but quality so bee's master on four a and blu ray a beautiful piece of work i want to. I want to kiss it. I want to impregnate the blu ray. And that's what i got boys so if you're listening to a podcast right now do us a big favor. There's a couple of links in the description. The first one will take you to our itunes page. We need your help dear listener if you have not had a chance to already because i believe you can only do a want certain counts wants. Please go to our. I tunes page. Give us a five star written review. It will take you approximately five seconds to accomplish this task. Okay all you click the button. Five stars bright. Something right anything you want you can say i would like to put over adam. Myrow sees a beautiful angel. 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Vocal Rasp - Cool Sound, or Voice Killer?

All Things Vocal Podcast

09:48 min | 5 months ago

Vocal Rasp - Cool Sound, or Voice Killer?

"The raspy boys now can be at signature sound for an artist and it can also be a telltale sign of vocal damage. So should you use rasp or should you not let me give you three boxes to check in this episode as go allow. This is judy. Rodman listening to all things vo podcast. This is the audio version of the blog. You can find judy rodman fix. Let's start by talking about the difference between a cool rasp and dangerous rask. The raspy voice has been a signature sound for some singers with legendary careers. Rod stewart stevie nicks bonnie tyler. Macy gray and bryan adams are among the artists that come to my mind who've successfully used this sound plus of course rockers who use extreme versions of rasp in scream in many contemporary musical genres. A degree of rasping kinetic cool passionate exciting factor to vocal performance but the recipe boys can also be the telltale clue for the presence of vocal damage. It's one of the signs of vocal notes. Polyps cancer spasmodic this phony and other serious vocal problems. Yes there are surgical techniques to remove and repair serious damage. But i'm going to leave a link to some vocal surgery videos in the podcast notes. And if you watch those. I think you may find yourself freshly dedicated to preventative. Vocal cord care instead of possible vocal suicide. But you say. I wanna have a raspy sound in my voice. How can i safely do it. Well it depends on several factors and in this episode. I'm gonna give you three things to check your vocal health vocal stamina and vocal technique. I factor is your vocal health. The presence or absence of any vocal strain or damage. Let me give you a case. Study some concern. Parents brought their child in for vocal lesson with me. Their little girl already had a successful vocal career going in was in the middle of a professional production but was experiencing some problems. I had her sing for me and found her voice to be breathy and raspy. Her parents told me that a coach their daughter had been working with had assured them that some people's voices are just naturally raspy so they never worried about it Well i had her. Do some gentle targeted vocal exercises that i use it. Almost always clear a raspy voice up. But i couldn't get her speaking or singing without those. Sounds recognizing the signs a senator to vanderbilt voice center in nashville where they examined her vocal cords diagnosed serious vocal modules which are fully expected them to do and put her on extended voice rest. Her vocal career was stopped in its tracks. I'm really not sure what happened to her. Because i never heard from her again. Which is unfortunate. Because it's in my experience that with time and careful remedial work vocal damage can usually he'll even without surgery and careers can be resumed. Here's the thing if you have any vocal strain or damage. Don't sing or speak with a razz vocal fry or gravel sound period picture rubbing two wounded emery boards together. Every time you sing wait until the damage and fatigue is completely healed before attempting to create rasp. If you have a raspy voice already and you can't make a conscious choice to speak or sing without it. It's very important to investigate why it sounds that way for instance. You could have excessive mucus on your vocal chords due to allergies or dehydration or you could have a degree of irritation or a growth of some kind on your vocal chords or you could even have throat cancer. You could be fatiguing or damaging your voice by the vocal fry. You don't even know you're using when you speak contrary to what you may hear from anybody. It's not a good idea to ignore it. Just because you've had vocal rasping is for a long time and thanks. It's natural for you. Any chronic case of vocal raspy this hoarseness or discomfort should be investigated by doctor. It's best to go to a vocal health center where medical voice specialists can scope your chords rule out anything serious and illuminate you about anything you may be doing or not doing. That's causing the sound. A good vocal coach can help you change techniques that are keeping your voice unhealthy when your voice is healed. A good vocal coach can also help you develop a rasp or growl or scream some kind of sound like that that you wanna make. That's not gonna damage your voice ever again. The next factor. You need to examine to decide whether or not you can use. Vocal fry safely is your vocal stamina which the conditioned strength of your vocal apparatus. Some voices can just get by with more punishment than others. Think of the guy or girl that you know that can eat eight habanero peppers like candy. Some voices are strong enough or have been exercised long incorrectly. Enough to create vocal sounds that would fatigue or damage weaker. Voices case study. I sang for about seven years as part of a group that sang jingles from eight thirty. Am to three thirty pm five days a week. One of the singers in our group developed vocal hemorrhage from the hours of singing. Why did she develop that and others did not well. The better question is what were the signs that she needed to rest and yes she did heal completely and then went on to a stellar career. So how do you know. If you've got problems with your vocal stamina. Let me give you some things to check. I if it hurts. Your voice can't tolerate it. Stop next if your voice feels worse the next day after. You've used a raspy sound. Your voice can't tolerate it. Stop next if you haven't been seen for a while and need to sing a raspy song try. doing those. raspy sounds far less throughout the song than usual. Saved it for choice spots and then do those backwards more on that in a minute when it comes to vocal affectation less is often best anyway for strongest performance impact. And next if you have vocal rasp because you smoke. You don't need the cigarette train instead for the rasp you want and don't be afraid to stop smoking. The next factor to address to decide whether or not you can safely use raspy voice is your vocal technique. Which is the way. The voice creates the raspy sounds. There are techniques to singing with a raspy sound. That are healthy. If this is a sound you wanna use learn how to do it. In a way. That protects your chords from vocal strain for metal screamers. I recommend the jamie bandera product called extreme scream in all linked to that in the podcast notes for those of you who would just like some random rasp. I can help you accomplish it. Strain free with my pulling method of deconstructing technique. I feel good now. Nah nah how the bottom line is that. You may wish to add a growl rasp or scream for coolness or signature impact when you sing or you may be acting as a character with a raspy voice and the speak with that sound but be careful. Don't use rasp or vocal fry unless you mean to get it out of your everyday speech habits and if you do mean to sing or speak with a rasp for some purpose learn vocal techniques to pull. Those sounds be vigilant with vocal. Warm ups and cool downs to mitigate any stress to your vocal chords in create though sounds in ways that will protect the health of your vocal apparatus. Yes rasping as can be cool passionate in harmless can like a magic trick or it can be a real voice killer. This is your coach judy. Rodman if you'd like to reach out for a lesson on vocal rasping anything else. You can find me at judy. Rodman dot com. If you find this podcast helpful please help me. Keep it going by reviewing it at rate this podcast dot com slash. Eighteenth wien. see you next. Time for all things vocal. 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#118: State of the Beer Market & Future Farming

hopnology: Hop Growing and Brewing for Craft Beer

40:30 min | 4 months ago

#118: State of the Beer Market & Future Farming

"Right we're here we are. I figured you'd have one of those. It's blowing up on me okay. That's not good at all. The that's not good baronies here. You're brownies yes. My wife made brownies. She just brought some nice woo in their warm. Can you bring me a better than what. I just opened. Sorry charlie i. I should have known based on what this looks like. And what it's called that i would not have liked it. Wow that's not a good beer. I'm gonna send you a picture of this. The can't the can alone is it is. It is a wheat beer by three floyds and it's claw god. I hate free. I didn't even know who they were. And it's called gumbel head. Oh you've never heard of gumbo. Oh it's awful old thank you. I know that now people love three floyds because nothing but smash mouth. I think they actually use whole skunks fingers and on. That can't really be thing hol skunks factors and rotten grapefruit peel. Yeah although the rotten grapefruit appeal. I'm definitely getting on that overtone guests. The retro nasal is how getting the The rotten grapefruit peel. Oh man this is. This is a. I might just stop drinking this now. Yep well that's the state of craft beer their pal. And i bought it because as everyone knows i have way too. Many porters and stoute's murphy trader And i just getting warm out. I wanted a couple of wheat beers. Have weisensee with the thing. I like that stuff. And i couldn't find anything so i was doing singles. Just picked up some singles and i. This was in on the shelf with the wheat beers on us. I never have picked it up. Otherwise i just sent you. What the picture what. It looks like it's ridiculous. Cartoony mess with a bloody cats looking cigarette. They also make one called zombie which is even worse off. You have heard of zombie. Dust have heard of that one yet. This is this is going on the this. I'm actually putting it out of my reach. Because i don't want to forget that it's that bad and put it back in my mouth. The ocean navy t shirt. I don't wanna. I don't wanna forget it's that bad and put back into my mouth. Okay anyway. I think there are people listening so we should probably talk about. Oh okay hi everyone so yeah. Don't don't drink this beer. I'm normally not that that out there about it but yet gumbel had three now. Don't drink the spirit. Oh boy so let's see housekeeping housekeeping. We have a new a new. Hop knowledge. Jared jared jared pussyfoot around in like you test. The water is with the just checking out the back catalogue. He jumped right in as a happen. So i gotta give him credit for that best decision he's ever made ever ever get you on that discord jared and start filling you witha hop knowledge. 'isms is that a thing or propaganda. I mean well. Yeah that we have fun. We have fun. So yes that's going on and hopefully you've been listening tobacco brew farm. Which of course is on the same feeds. He can't really miss it. we've had a couple episodes. Were probably around episode. Three at this point as this goes live. It's it's hard to keep all that straight. i don't know it's now. My job's confusing us. No no that's my job. And i'm Maximum failing added. I'm still aligning the stars to make sure that all works we. We should be three possibly four episodes in by the time you listen to to this bundle of joy that we have going on here. Well we should add that where riccar of course sale no recording in the evening. Could you crack a beer. But yes yes it is evening. It is evening. I the optimism of the early morning recording is just not here. I i want to take my headphones off and go get a different beer. But just that was so bad and lord. If i turn the can't around i don't have to look at it. The bax even worse. Yeah well that's that. I think that's in the fine print where you say that the skunks fingers in there. Oh gosh did did you hear the jim steinman died we so ago do do you do you gemstones. He died about a week. Maybe two weeks ago. Now and so. Jim steinman wrote Bat outta hell for meatloaf Total eclipse of the heart for bonnie tyler. And the one that made me bring this up is that for. I think it was for air supply. He did making love out of nothing at all. And this is what you call making a podcast. That nothing to what we've got going on right now but But jim steinman fantastic epic epic songwriter. Rate anywhere do. That's my yes to jim. I would toast you bum. It doesn't what will no no. No one deserves toasting with this thing in here. If yuk keep pushing it further away from you can knock it off the table okay. So what are we talking about today. Today is another episode of we. Read it so you don't have to so we found a couple of articles we thought might be interesting to hear we're gonna talk about. Neither one is is This is not worth your time to read. I would go and search out the source material. Because it's an interesting stuff going on here but we're going to give you a peek at them and hopefully That will get your interest Massaged enough the michael. Look for these things and two totally different totally different topics Let's see where do we want to start. We wanna talk about the about beer industry or about agriculture industry. First beer industry. I okay since the mouth. Full brownies that will you can eat you round. He's no. I'm trying to not even get this beer in my peripheral referral vision right now now. The brownies are gone. And i have brownie remorse. Remorse that you hate them more term more in my immediate vicinity. Okay i'll then range reduce the section. You can text your wife to bring done excellent enabling all kinds of bad habits. Are you the only decision that's been made so far in this entire recording is that i put aside this band just to say i. I drank it you know. Look we've all been at that point in our lives. Where even if it's bad. I paid two bucks for that. I'm i'm putting it down. I'm drinking it. But i will not drink them. No good i'm principle. I'm i'm better than hats you all. Everybody needs to have that beer. That sets the bar at holy. Hell this awful so baton so bad alright. So industry stuff. Yeah so Annually there's a. There's a design agency called co design. Who does a whole bunch of stuff in the beer in the alcoholic beverage printing industry and not a whole tube but but the got their their big start in beer and they were actually the first guest we ever had on the program. It was like episode four. It was way way back. And if you call it was also the first time we screwed up a recording because we had to do it twice our that's right so we had them on many many many moons ago but they put out on their website for anyone to read an annual branding study so they were looking at the industry for for twenty twenty one and this just came out and they talked to a lot of breweries brewers come to them for help with packaging with rebranding their entire image. That sort of thing and it's really fun. You know very visually oriented obviously and it's fun to see some of the stuff that they do so they're look at the last year of course being very coverted sensitive because there's that impacted everything they had two different kinds of situations going on in the past cova in terms of of doing a re a rebranding a brewery or even just changing packaging all that. There was the one attitude of well. We got nothing else to do. Nice so there's nothing else happening. Things are pretty slow. We might as well do something now. So when kobe's over we can come out of the gate swinging with. Hey look at us. We're new and improved kind of thing which makes sense us. Use the downtime. To your advantage the other aspect of it they were getting which was burris. That were streamlining that were you know okay. We've got to make decisions here on what we're actually doing. Let's pull back on some of our lower performing brands and all that and do we need to change our whole strategy because things have changed dramatically with carry out being a huge thing Not be able to have things on tap you know. Look a lot of breweries. that weren't actually canning. Had to start candy if they wanted to survive. And oh wow. I need a logo and and some sort of a theme around all my stuff and so they had some of that as well. Some of that okay. We we have to do this so it's just interesting the way they were looking at Something that you would do in the natural course of business like you wouldn't any other normal year. There were reasons for doing it now. We talk about scientific method and and having a plan and he's a time to rebranding yes or no. That wasn't happening here it was well. I love that. We've got nothing else to do. I think that's great that let's let's get prepared now because there are other things we were planning to do. We just can't something else. They mentioned that. I thought was really interesting. We a year ago when we were looking at the new brewer and talking about all the stuff going on in the industry and they were serving breweries. You remember for a couple of months in a row. There was reading their survey results and in the restaurant survey results in particular. That were out there and you had something like forty five or fifty percent of breweries. That were saying they wouldn't sustain six months of just curbside pickup beer. It was without their taproom. They would not survive and you had at the outset a handful that that immediately just shut their doors but it never hit that forty five or fifty percent closing by any stretch the managed to figure it out. I know around. Here i i saw. I can think of one or two that. Shut down over the last year. Everyone else manage to make it work somehow. Yeah i've seen the same thing here and frankly those breweries needed shutdown because dan I they were being sustained because it was hidden cool to go. Obviously people were going there. They weren't going there for the beer. They're going there because it was a place to go. And certainly if you've got quality beer and you can figure out a way to get it to the people you're going to survive but if you don't what would you waste your time with. What should here just you. Don't and so those those places need to go and it's interesting because you know to your point i. I went today down here to my little recording area. And what i found was a horrible beer. I will not come back here. Yeah i wouldn't think that you will no no no this. This is my last show because that beer is here. You're moving upstairs to the to the to the office. Then you venue. Yeah i just this whole room has been ruined for me now. We'll see if my peripheral vision. So yeah i agree with you. There are sometimes the place where everybody knows. Your name becomes your hang out even if the beer sutton and those places do have to go. Yep they do so. You did. See some some kind of streamlined. Rebranding on steam comes to mind. They are now anchor. And it's just a a a cleaner look a lot of that a lot of you you get things going toward the clean and then the reason i picked this monstrosity out of my refrigerator. You've got these ridiculous designs that are complete stream of consciousness. Weird things going on. Yes we just don't understand yes understand and you typically matches the shit -ness of the beer. It's on the inside. I think there can be a parallel on there. I don't know of a scientific study. That's been done but i know we talked about. We talked we talked about. We ought to do some sort of study and finding are the our beers with more clean. Can art better beer. We did talk about that. And i think there's got to be something to be said for that. Yeah because you know you need something else to gather people's attention because otherwise blah. Yeah well and you know again with the rebranding. Classic like anchor steam Miller genuine draft did or did a rebrand and we talked about them somewhat recently. We've talked about that. I mean that was the bureau choice when we were in college and But and it was such a that that shock black and yellow was so easy to identified and now they've got like this big red kind of bullet circle in the middle of. It's not. I don't like it. It looks very generic now not fair. I can't remember the last time. I had one actually. Well i can't either and it certainly isn't something i would lean toward but it's it's more of that The nostalgia i totally totally in south asia. Just thinking maybe. I have an mgd at some point here. Yeah yeah. i'm kind of right now. I'm craving map. For when i go miller j ligo highlife myself but i i will go miller lite when i go miller highlife guy so so anyway Other things that are this year were big. multi packs twelve packs in particular mix packs and It's understandable because you had some you had not only in alcohol but in general in grocery shopping you had that attitude of if i'm going to leave the house and i'm going to go into a store i'm going to get everything i need once so i don't have to go back every other day you'll make my trip worth worth the risk. Basically and. I know we were doing that. I mean there was a period of time where we were trying to only go shopping once every like three weeks. And you all remember when. I had to give up my beer fridge to storm it was. It's ridiculous to me. What kind of country we limited in what. I have to give up my beer fridge for we lose a war. I think i lost a work in my house. Yes very very unpleasant. When i had to lose my beer fridge but yes That also resulted in the multi. Pack being a thing the go down a rabbit hole on how to even design your multi pack which i don't want to dive into too deep but that some companies are just. They're just leaving holes in the box. You can see what's in there and you know you put a seasonal in there that rotates as a way to get people to buy it. I remember when m. o. Saranac who Who we we've been there up. Mx man They used to do. I think they still do it. Sherry wheat similar to the one. That same adams does and think the same way. Where if you wanted that cherry wheat you had to buy case but it was a case of you know six of three other things and then your case. You're six of cherry wheat. Yeah you could. You can get a six of cherry wheat from sam by itself you can. Now you get used to. It used to be something that was very special. They used to have a scotch ale in light. Their twelve pack sampler. That was just awesome. But you could not get it. Outside of the twelve. Pack saranac did something with a black forest. They called it that. I just loved absolutely loved and they finally started putting out individually in individual cases and i had someone order it for me more than one occasion. Nice such such a good one. So yeah the multi. Pack thing has been big again. It's about volume You know as as we all look at our piles of toilet paper sitting in our basement saw now and now bags of gasoline bags. Yeah you haven't seen that online. No hoarding hoarding people. People going to and of course like ohio ohio. What the hell really people going to gas stations with like plastic shopping bags in literally pumping gasoline into tying them and putting them in their trunk. It that's not gonna work. I you know has to have. Yeah shopping bags i don't know was it the us dot. I don't know who put it out. Somebody put out a statement saying. Yeah don't do that. People things that the things you have to say sometimes out loud pumping gas into like into open-top rubbermaid containers. Because you know they heard there was a shortage or something which there isn't by the way but no no. I think for three days there was the potential for one and then it didn't happen. Yeah ah you know when they put out statements like that and i mean my kids are older now but when they were young you find yourself saying things and then saying oh my god. Did that phrase really to come out mouth. Oh exactly wow. Wow wow okay. So that's that's where we. Oh yes the the the state of the beer industry so another thing they got into the fact that of course you can't get away from the seltzer 's and siders and all these other things and a lot of companies are extending their own brands in order t- but maybe minimizing their brand names. You've got beer. Companies that own seltzer aren't trying to make it public knowledge that it's the same company both have they want it to be their own thing and the thing about that. I wanted to mention his. They referred to the way the companies look at the consumer. And what they're drinking. So there's there's a concept in marketing called share of wallet and it's how much of a consumer's money they will spend x. Y. and z. If you're looking at i don't know like if you're craft like what share of wallet. Are you getting from a customer in terms of cheese and milk and those kinds of things. So the what they use in the beverage industry is share of throat. Horrible it's so horrible. That's why i had to share it with everyone. Because i thought sheriff throat was just the worst thing i've ever heard but it but when you think about it they're looking for you know my my alcohol budget. What is it going toward. And how much of that can. They capture what things are. Am i interested in buying that. They're not produced right. So that is sheriff of throat. Which again thinking thought you'd sale out of the thing that that i thought was very interesting. Are these sub brands. Where they're actually pulling the the lead away and New belgium for example. Their line of ranger i. Ipa's you can barely see that their new belgium. If you're not looking for it they are they go under that food arranger that kind of hip younger skewing when they built that name. They've built that brand right that that name into its own brand. And that's how they had done it. That's what people identify with instead of new belgium and it says new belgium which means nothing to them. Right fat tire. I said to you earlier. It there are people that think fat tires. Its own brewery. No it's a. it's a brand under new belt. It's a beer beer under new belgium. But it's become this this thing onto sounding. Sierra nevada's even started doing it they. They had that hazy little thing that became a huge success. And now they've got a couple variations on the little thing line that they're putting out there and the sierra nevada logos tiny. It's all about the little thing. I think it was a big little faint or something like that. I don't know so it's interesting how these larger brands are saying okay. you know. we've maybe we've tapped out the market of people that will always grab a sierra nevada. But maybe we have this other brand that they may or may not realize it's us but it. It attracts a different kind of person. I think that's probably it because the people that know. Sierra nevada are going to know what they're doing and they don't need to know that it sierra nevada. Pick it up right. They don't need that q whereas people that aren't familiar with sierra nevada. That's not a driver for them. So what else is so. I think it's a hook a hook to to get new consumers. I think so too. I absolutely think so and you know sierra nevada themselves if you think about. They've got a very iconic branding scheme. It's very consistent. It's not very exciting. But you know what it is when you see it whereas if you look at you know hazy little thing looks all kinda wizard of oz weird. There's a there's a big little thing and one other that i i'm not seeing here but They've got this whole line of just a different thing. That probably appeals more to the younger crowd when they say cigarettes and alcohol commercials aimed at children as what they're trying to do they're trying to. they're trying to entice the eighteen and nineteen year olds ice-cool to drink their beer. Well here you go your this. This tagline is gonna make you mad on the hazy little thing page sierra nevada. The tagline is complicated. Beer simplified for your pleasure you got some things to think about that for a little bit ono. And there's a video at the bottom of the page is what's a he's epa. What's that let me let me tell you. What a hazy ip as. i'm i'm gonna. I may have time to go get a different beer while you go off on this man. Yeah my back hurt when we start this out spasmodic so then you're really good likes of these next things that came in terms of in terms of of trends in in beverages higher alcohol sellers because the world needs that. Well when you think about it. A lot of the appeal to seltzer. Was that it was low calorie and moderate alcohol so bud light a platinum they call it i i love the name truly makes truly extra Which is a great day of class has a surge line. But they're they're eight nine percent. I saw a seltzer ad on a billboard this past week i don't remember exactly which one it was because i was more aghast at the fact that they were advertising that it had fight. Amin's see in. It is like with vitamin c. Antioxidants from whatever blood orange juice that was in a and i'm thinking ludicrous. I'm thinking okay. That's the hook right. That's that's something that somebody in marketing said. You know what antioxidants hip right. Let's say this has antioxidants because scott measurable vitamin c. Let me tell you about the nutritional content of beer and then let's compare that to what basically is nothing but carbonated water and grain alcohol and a little little sugar yes. Some smarties dissolved in there for flavor. Holy hell and know you've also got kombucha and all these other things. Cbd the other stuff that's out there that competes for your dare. I say shirreff throats come kombucha. Somebody called the hippie vinegar t the other day and like who. That's awesome hippie. Vinegar vinegar to yeah. You know you ever actually tried it. I used to drink it for my stomach back. When i was trained to when i had all those really nasty or worse than they are now stomach growls and because of the probiotics that were in it but didn't really do anything hippie vinegar i think they should someone's gonna use that as the name of one. Yeah hippy vinegar t and then the the last thing from this. Argh i just wanna show. They did mention non alcoholic beer. And you know we've talked about that quite a bit. But my my favorite thing. They said about an alcoholic beer. They said yes these. Are you know low. You know blessing point five percent alcohol meat means not beer your session. Ip does not count. that's true because session as an hour five percent that is not session. I'm sorry no i i. I must have mentioned it on the in the last couple of weeks that i picked up a sixteen ounce stout called little risk. And it's two point six two point six two point eight percent as one hundred calories. So it's not quite. it's not non alcoholic but certainly low alcoholic and low calorie. And it's a nice balance between you. Get some outfield back. Right that that you would lose going all the way to non alcoholic but that that is. That's what i would call sessional. Yes so session. Ipa's as not what some people probably think. Don alcoholic is. Oh oh you mean those session. Ip six right so anyway That it's free advertising co. design they do so neat stuff if you're into the art on the on the cans on the labels and on the cases there's a lot more to the article than what we just went through there some other inch but this is the stuff that i thought we can make fun of and get into a little. It's i think it's also been a from probably the market advertising graphic design space in in beer. This last year is gonna to be pretty dull as far as the. They might be concerned from from like an advertising space but what they've had to do in the marketplace. The brewers to pivot during this time is fascinating. And i was but i guess it's not sexy to talk about you like we wanna talk about you know business development and pivoting and and or do you wanna talk about who changed the color of their can right right and it's you know they got into a bit if you were always just an on premise brewery. Did you care about your branding. Because really the cans that are only sold in. Your taproom are just mini growlers. That's all they are. they're just a vehicle. There's no you don't need to stand out next to all this other stuff on the shelves but now that that everyone has started canning because they had to and they're probably not gonna stop canning. All of these worries that weren't really thinking about a brand identity beyond the logo above their front door. They need to think about it was there. I mean we've talked so often about walking down the bureau and getting frustrated and then coming home with the worst wheat beer in existence on man. I'd forgotten about affirmative wild. It's still there looking at me. It's it's it's stained your soul man so yes I agree there's been so many interesting things that had to happen during all this Interesting article Worth the read and again if you're interested in that part of the market Some cool stuff nice well. Let's talk about something interesting now. Oh oh yes you wanna talk about. I exactly. We want to talk about decorating the cow with data decorating the cow data. Yes that was my favorite line from. This was awesome. Well i sent you. I don't remember what day it was this past week. A cool article about the shifting landscape of agriculture. And what needs to change because was it by twenty fifty. We're going to have to increase the output of our arable farmland by fifty percent to feed the world Think about that you need to you. Need to take every square meter of ground and increase its productivity by fifty percent wile minimizing the inputs. Seventy seven seventy percent. Yeah two billion people. Seven seven zero. And i mean. I i have trouble reconciling that with what you hear about the government paying people to not gross stuff. So okay that's a whole nother discussion. We talk about subsidies and whatnot but the availability of farmland to produce. Yeah i would agree. There's land available to do that. However it i think you'll probably see fewer and fewer subsidies because of that fact the is you know you're gonna need it instead of over right now. If they farm that land they would overproduce and crashed. It crashed the price in the market. There will be you know. Corner would be worthless If you know due to consistent overproduction but we're gonna need that but let's assume that that that's marginal land. I think that you know if we talk in terms of corn on the past twenty some years or so in a combine when you're out there mechanically harvesting corn or beans or really any Row crop like that you've got what's called a yield monitor and it's going to tell you at any given time as you're pulling these grains or what have you off of the field what your yield is and so you could be sitting in that combine and you could be watching your yield monitor going from thirty to fifty bushels of corn and acre three hundred and three fifty depending on what patch ground you hit. What's that tell you about the How optimized as your production system at that point not really optimized at all it. Oh no percents more random than anything right. It's it's a shotgun approach to agriculture. That has been the way to do it. Since frankly synthetic chemical fertilizers were invented Back in the post post world war two because why not just hose it on there. And yeah it's every i put more on and i put more on and look you'll keeps going up and up and up. Well we're tapped out folks. That doesn't work that way anymore. Same thing goes for your hops. You just can't put on more fertilizer. You can't put on more more more and expect to get more and more yield now. Granted hops or the. The yield component to hops is certainly much more complicated because of the horticulture. That's involved as you know compared to like a row crop or something like that but just this concept of how does one increase their productivity in their hop yard isn't by necessarily planting a new a new variety or getting a new piece of equipment or anything like that. It's all about the data all about the data about the data that you're taking. It's about the data that you're crunching. It's real time data on all sorts of things with that's weather stations or fertilizer applications. Are you name it. It's real time data and then being able to crunch those data that's going to make the difference. And so that's that's nothing that shouldn't be anything new to any of our listeners. We've been talking about that for a long time. There should be an ad for the little yellow notebook somewhere in this article. They're they're a little more. They're a little more high tech in what they're talking they are. Es you gotta start somewhere do have to start somewhere. But just this whole concept of data driven for me. And i've say not famous for sameness but i'm it's well known i say days sniffen the dirt or over to figure out what you need to do because your yield isn't gonna come from intuition anymore. It's gonna come from the information and survey shen that you're gathering in your field and the weather and the insects and and all these combined characteristics that instead of going from an acre or you know multi acre mentality of management. It is now going to be down to the square foot square meter of management to understand what's going on there to maximize any given plot. That is fascinating in. It's going to become very very real very very quick because of where that's thirty years away thirty years we're going to have to feed one another two billion people. That's that's the next generation. That's not that far. No and you can't frankly bigger and bigger combines bigger this bigger that that's not necessarily the answer more is not the answer. Because i think we've talked in the past about as you grow an at grow. As you expand your farming operation your margins get thinner and thinner and thinner because you're complexity of your system increases you people say well you know it's it's a economy of scale i gotta get bigger and order. You know eke out that other penny well sora. That's one way to do it. Because it's all very linear and very textbook and you can put it on a spreadsheet and figure out. How much more charles is going to cost you and moorland is gonna cost you x y and z or labor's gonna cost you or you could have avoided all of that cost in that risk and taken the the plot of land that's producing that you have now and optimize it given the data that's right under your nose And it's gonna cost you little to do it and you know it's it's that old. Think work smarter not harder. We we've got to be more effective at what we're doing right and it's more more is not better. Some folks will want to say well. That's the organic production comes in and you know that. Can you can reduce your inputs by doing that. Yeah but you've got to increase your acreage at the same on a yield. So that doesn't work. It's not a this is the answer. That's an answer. The the actual reality would be something more integrated taking the best best morsels. Bits of various production methodologies and putting them together on your farm. It's prescription agriculture. And when we had our charter or that's what. We called our recommendations for production prescription plans because they were dialed in forever. Grower given the data that they will give us back now whether they executed on that or not was a whole nother story. But and of course and what you said there to start out. i mean they. They had to give us the data in order for any of this to work right. What's wrong with my hops. What's what's wrong with my heart. Here's here's a picture of my house was around my house Look yellow. I i have a thousand more questions for you to answer for. I can tell you exactly so when you start and then you start asking those questions. Suddenly the bad guy because you know those people feel whether they feel inadequate or feels like you're picking on them or whatever you but no you're not that's it's fine if it's a hobby rate do it and play around for hobby. If you're going to do it for business then you have to be focused on maximizing the yield on your on your plots because adding more is never the answer is never the answer nope and when when you do wade out into the the facebook craziness someone will say something like that. Like what's wrong with my hops. And you'll get all these answers and then you'll post as hop -nology and say well. Can you tell me this this this this and this because you you know a single off. The cuff answer is not going to help anyone right. I saw i saw one. Some some poor guy in mexico had hops. That were doing some really screwy things and he's like can. Somebody helped me with this wise it doing this. And i've seen other people that are that are fixtures on those forums. Say things like photo period heat know like one or two word answers like no that is not it you know and shame on you. People some of you being professionals in the educational sector know better than to give an answer like that. It's awful because it drives people to think there's an easy answer for this in there is not. It's show me the data and if you don't know what data take then that's a whole nother discussion. That's something you can certainly action the figure out how to take those. The big hurdle if anybody who's going to spend any money on consultants to help them. Dial in their productivity and order increase the you know the yield per unit area you need to pay people who understand how to read those data and interpret. You don't need to you. Don't need to spend a bunch of money on expanding your yard to increase your yield to drive your prophet to make you sustainable when you could more effectively be farming acreage that you have absolutely and it. All comes back to collecting information collecting the data. So you really know what's happening so some of the other things they talk about our data sharing adding i can't share data because i've got i've got the secret. I got the secret hops. I'm not going to share it with anybody else. Bullshit baloney now you will hear us out of the other side of our mouths. Say your field is different than your neighbor's field. And yes that is true but the more information that's out there the more we share with each other we just we learn. We learn what's going on. We learn what to look for. Learn how to fix things You find trends. You find these commonalities that cross multiple locations states growing seasons and you start to pick out. These transform these large pools of data. Or you start looking at you. Start analyzing apples analyses meta data analysis. And you start to find these trends cry popping up out of these complex systems alternately. That's where we need to get. That's where we're we have to do that. We have to become more efficient because not only. Are we running out of arable. High quality farmland were also not going to be able to sustain a business if we have to continue more and more resources into that land in order to make it productive. The has to become more don't bother.

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Angelo Sisco - The Identity Alchemist

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Angelo Sisco - The Identity Alchemist

"The biggest things where i really started learning to uncover Identity outcome ism and even breakdown the parts and those of you that are listening identity. Alcoholism is really what i really Imagine our special sauce and and then our program and it's it's about having an outcome but then what do you need to do to have index. Actually do that outcome and these you need to be the person and so you i. You have your stocks. I need to think like a rich person to make a lot of money. Then i need to speak like a rich or wealthy person to be a wealthy person. And then i will. Do the action set a wealthy person. Does that. I will do them often enough that they become my habits and the mayor outcome is is that i will be wealthy. Boom buksh peng poonch. What's up everybody. You're listening to the flow chart. Podcast inch mount wolf and joe fear. Picky are you ready for this. I do not know if i'm ready for this or not. I don't know what about to get myself into. I do all right. Tell me why. Would i tell you i like to leave. You on pins and needles. Sloan okay tell the today yeah yeah. Don't listen mute. Your headphones today. We have the one. And only v mr alpha hippie himself his name is angelo cisco cisco i think technically the cisco thing but i'll see go because We wanted to have him back on the show. Because he's we've been we've been helping each other out young helping us Upper level some some really cool stuff that we're going to speak about now which is basically helping us show up as more pro min the ceo when it comes to business life just happier having more fun to clean chill and doing some bullshit. On the way yeah. We had him on once before and back when we talked to him last time he actually was running across fit jim in chicago successful and he went on to sell that business and move over to southern california and we asked him you know. Why did you come to southern california and we got some. I think we got some interesting insights into the way. His brain works just through finding out why he moved over to california. How did you know that you said you didn't know what's to come so matt's aligarh we can't we can't cannot trust you trust. It cannot be trusted but About the audience new joking man okay. They're in on the joke. So i would say a big takeaway one of the big things you'll get here through the course conversation because we just jump right in as we love it is be ready to look at your identity in a new light the and that might sound a little scary but this You're gonna have some actionable tips in things that will shine a light on things you probably not have been thinking about. It will allow you to moving groove through life a little easier also learning by where you might be screwing up with choices of music. But we'll get into that later so Check out the notes. Flow chart group dot com. You can grab the full action guide for this episode andrew in our facebook group within two weeks of this going live. That's over at flow chart group dot com and let's talk to angelo right after sponsor real quick. We are back with this. He trips aitrlift came back. And be a you know. A lot of y'all have been talking a lot about the trips talk a lot about h. We're talking about trips for for years now and it's a good thing because you hear all the seo experts come across podcast. This is the tool. They're always talking about is each reps. Well there's something new from each reps and we wanted to. That's going to tell you about it. H actually has a free version. So if you've been hearing talk about h. Rafts and you're like that sounds cool. I need to get mu some of that. Well guess what they got a free one. If you haven't been able to afford the previous one it's over at h. Rest dot com slash. Awt that stands for eight webmaster tools. And it's their new free entry into the market you could get in there. Gives you tons of stats. 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Yeah but it's been a couple of years since you're on the show and we'll make sure we link up in the show notes so anybody who wants to hear your backstory and you know how you got to wear you are. We did talk about it in the last episode. But i know more to the story. Since then and i think that's what we're going to get into things have changed. You're now just right up the road from us. He's chicago when we chatted last all these epic whiteboards everywhere. I think your condo or something you're committing down. The apartment to my living was all white board. Only had their first meeting even about air across it and evergreen just like writing on the walls new shirt on a hot frigging chicago day. Only who's just writing on all of his wall. It looked like i don't know what to call it but it was crazy. I've never seen anything like it. Actually what brought you to. I want to say san diego but its sink clemente where you're at so cal cal. That's right. what what brought you here. What's the change. Looked like since chicago to now. I know it's been a year since you've been here. Yeah so what really brought me here. Originally was a lot of my transformational work and myself discovery work. That's where i. I y i ventured and in the southern california and then i was an incident. Nita's and coming back and forth through here and A friend of mine. Marcus who lives in in the area. I would come visit him around san clemente there. Something about san clemente to me. That has such a nostalgia of bob. Some people love novelty. Which i imagined you know i do too but i'm a sucker for nostalgia. What kind of nostalgia. We talking like. A nineteen sixties. America like early sixty soccer when the debate was who is going to be the president kennedy or nixon but no one was mad about either one like right like that type of era where it was cool to be american. The nuclear family was the thing. I you know you all of that. I'd love the idea of that. You know in my house you know. That was a really big part of my upbringing. Like my mother grew up eighteen fifty four year. My parents were born. So that early sixties. My mother still knows where she was today. Kennedy got shot. You don't just all of that was in my life. My mother grew up and beatles mania right like these amazing times. My dad was the rebels so he liked the rolling stone. More you dislike these were the discussions at the times. You know and When damore hung out around saint commend the neighborhood itself like near the beach. It looks in feels that way and felt that way and When rocio and i had our son santiago twenty thirteen or twenty nineteenth used me. I really started looking at you. Know what we wanted life to be like for us and worse where we were living right now where we would want to raise our son even though that we were raised there. Is that really where we wanted to raise a child. We really didn't love being in that energy the the vibration of chicago and also to the lack of nature and environment as jerry. I really believe the environment is much shaped by how lack of nature vitamin d. And all of that vibe is. it's not as welcoming to me as it. Once was many many years ago. And i really believe it's because of this lack of being in nature and lack of all that stuff and so we decided in twenty nineteen that we were going to move to san clemente and February i started inviting everyone. I knew that was gonna be to a fourth of july party. We told our our family. I cooked everyone a christmas dinner. Both sides of our family eighteen people. Before you one left i go. Hey guys real quick eh announcement to make me and rose thrust argo. We're moving to california in the summer like there were like. I'm like yes you guys and then do twenty twenty game and day when a year to be here. Twenty twenty showed everyone but they were really prepared. For as far as depth of chaos. Like your chaos tolerance fisher and for me someone that has been such a practitioner of going deep into myself and to my discomforts and fears to me. It was when i got to show everyone. This is why been sitting around timing. My breathing and like it was almost my show out year. That's what i felt like. I was like. I've been waiting for this. This is one i. This is what i separate myself from. Other people not fall with other people. This is all. Have you guys ever heard the song I need a hero by bonnie tyler. It's one in footloose. I'm doing that tractor. Chicken showdown uh-huh the opening line is where have all the good men gone. And where are all the gods. Where's the street. Wise hercules to fight the rise in us and i would listen to that every day of that locked down and i go on of streetwise hercules. Here i go and just like all shore up their way that tie really spelled myself into believing and continuing to believe in it and something that you guys alluded to earlier about the identity alchemy is. That's who i saw myself fast. Not the guy that was. I'm the streetwise. Hercules to fight the rise in these people the chaos in these people. I'm not meant to fall into their chaos harmonize here. I go babe and my best shot. And that's what really led us through being here the last year and now that we're here year i feel i've never felt like the first year boys giving out here was the big left. Then i spent most as twenty twenty and then into this early part of this year in my own chaos trying to figure out what it was like to be out here and frankly live this california lifestyle that i really didn't know yeah like visiting it is one thing but living in his own other idea has also that's an. It's been a cool time getting to know you further man and both of us you know. We've we've started. We just hung out not too long ago. A couple of weeks ago up there had a cool afternoon brainstorm and business stuff but it's cool to kinda bring reminds together now and i. It's obvious hanging around you canada's different different approach you have a different perspective of almost everything it seems like there's always a great story attached to it that anchors that thing and you're like oh damn i've never thought about it that way on on that point i'm actually kind of curious but the the storytelling is that like is that something that you developed over time or do you think that's something that's just kind of always neatly been in you great question yet. I grew up roman. The knew how the chew too fat bullshit. I really did like everyone. Knew how to give a good story Everyone knew that the story was sixty five. Seventy percent true thirty but it was such a great story you know hanging out on the front stupor outside the cafe. Everyone just let it go with someone else would go you know. They tried to call someone out on their or day. We version of story. And so i grew up around a lot of really great storytellers and also to i've I really am a pop culture movie movie and music person where i've always been into that. I was never really athletic. And so my athlete. Or even how i looked now. That was much later in my life. Sousa younger kid. I really spent a lot of time. Member goosebumps charleston junkie. Really got just to all the different ones. That would come out. I would read a goosebumps an a day. I was one of those kids that was really into story and movie and just having this this opportune and then further down the road. I go and learn more about cognitive behavioral therapy and what it really is like to work. And you know transformation or identity outcome. 'isms i really like to call it. It's all about recreating the story. And then when. I was going deeper and business. How much more is everything about building. A story brand winning the story rose always sell the story. And i'm just like oh i meant getting trained and enterprise and healing myself ever since i was three years old hanging on the stoop. Your front stupor. It just that too but like the ability to to tell a good story you can now analogize things right like you could create analogies when you're trying to explain concepts and you're trying to help us understand some of the mental models that that you're out there teaching you teach them in a way where you tell a story. It's kind of feels unrelated but by the time you get into the store you're like oh okay now. I understand what you're trying to say over year right so the the ability to tell stories makes you really good at analogies. Which makes you an excellent teacher like when we were hanging out with you just a couple of weeks ago. I remember every single question. I would ask. You'd be like matt. Let me tell you something. And then you'd you'd you'd branch off into a story and you'd answer my question within the story instead of just going straight to the answer and i feel like that ability just blocks it in for people yet so above the unpacked that free pleasure. Great so one of the the biggest things where i really started learning to uncover identity alcoholism and even breakdown the parts. And those of you that are listening identity. Alcoholism is really what i really Imagine as our special sauce and and then our program in it's it's about having an outcome but then what do you need to do to have and actually do that outcome and these you need to be the person and so you i. You have your thoughts. I need to think like a rich person to make a lot of money. Then i need to speak like a rich or wealthy person to be a wealthy person. And then i will. Do the action set a wealthy person. Does that. I will do them often enough that they become my habits and then my outcome is is that i will be wealthy. Oftentimes people get stuck in just trying to do the wealthy things but you only do you believe it's not logical to bob identity shifting. That's why it's identity outcomes of spots two words to actions. Actions repeated or habits equals outcomes. So i started studying woulda thought was missile back to your point man. I'm bringing around just like we thought is an image of feeling and then our words translated so if you tell a good story you get someone to imagine and feel and then they could wrap their head around the thought. Would you say that the like the feeling gets them tapped into themselves and maybe a story that they have playing already in their mind so it relates to that immediately subconsciously. Even sometimes or sometimes. I'm trying to recreate the image joe. Great question so that's why i give such a thorough story so i could take you with me and not have us being miscommunication. So that's why. I met when you ask when you ask a question. Sometimes i don't answer it right away because how many times has miscue me. How many times in this disagreement miscommunication misunderstanding have been that. I see patients like this and you see patients like this like one word being misunderstood but if i could delete your version and get you seeing it. My version my point of view we could develop an empathy and an understanding and then from the route we have context. And then no matter. What else happens after that. We know that the chances of us having some sort of disagreement at conflict are less and less so these actually the better communication because oftentimes what people believe is something in their past when you bring something up and snow different to me than when someone's like yeah. You wanna try this this pizza. What's on mushroom or eat mushrooms. Why because when you were six. It's a pass story. How do you know you hate these mushrooms for. Oh you didn't even try. Yeah you get me like you know. For instance with the bags like that's why sell the bags or hard because how many people go tobacco done don't don't and they go into this reading. Every surgeons label tobacco. That's actually a really good example. Because i think my whole relationship in perspective on tobacco went a complete one eighty degree shift just from spending a day with you right where going into the conversation. I probably had this negative spin on. Tobacco is like tobacco. You know. it's bad. It kills people everybody cigarettes. It's disgusting blah blah blah right. But then like we have a discussion and before i can even sort of air out what i like about tobacco. You're telling me a story that brings it all the way around so that my arguments are in there not invalid. But they're irrelevant to the conversation. We're having right because most of its based off being victim. Someway right but the people that sue mcdonald's mcdonald's fault don't go there. You're place only nuggets every day fat. Guaranteed you what i'm saying. That's so much of what holds our lives bet. Yeah having those past thoughts and experiences and that's why being able to to give good stories and recreate stories and and all of that in our minds then creates new thought patterns new neuro pathways for our brain understanding expands us. Yeah and then can allow for ships. Yes so basically everybody's kind of they're walking around with the stories the stories from their past that that you know the stories are what lead to a lot of the decisions they make in life right now so the philosophy you have is. You've already got these stories me trying to make tweaks to your stories isn't gonna work so i'm gonna replace these stories so i'm just gonna i'm gonna get the story you've got here. I'm going to replace it real quick. Now we're operating from this point of view right and now we're operating from the same inker when we have the same anchor starting together And so the disagreement or misunderstanding and even the rigidness falls away because his before you knew it you were open to trying and now all of a sudden you're like yeah tobacco's not bad the users or the way. It's used de misunderstood misused disliked. The internet just like mcdonald's just like junk. Is there a good use for mcdonald's so let's let's let's clear that fast confession full confession. Okay no judgment. When i go to a foreign country. I always try the big when i went to morocco. That was the best place. I think twice. And yes you're right. It was like it's different here. This is a whole new experience. That's better than two best. Mcdonald's ever three blocks from the advocate really else. Can you get chicken nuggets and are really good. Expresso challenge anyone. Damn that's good. that's good. Go visit the pope sistine chapel. Same day the twenty piece you know doing the cross kissing up there looking around your feeling. Great literally you're there dude. You know so finding those stories. That's where i was going to go so we met. And i recently completed partier alpha hippie training which we have talked about. This is the man in charge and i feel like that was exercise. And you totally correct me but like it was this breakthrough portion of your program and it seemed like that was searching for the stories. These repeating things i get stuck in whatever circumstance in life in that was our process that you guys walked us through to not only identify them but get really comfortable with them acknowledged them be grateful for them and then finally onum and move on you know but at least you know now know the stories are so. That's what i want to dig in a little bit. So these thoughts that were all walking around with Tell me about that. So maybe it's that process of was kind of. Can you walk us through kind of what that looks like how to identify where to go. First of all congratulations on moving. Through that i face shown the first phase is the hardest face really because what we're doing is is. We're removing the weeds of your garden. Which are the stories that are misunderstood because the six year old is still telling the story. Ain't that the truth and were hearing it from a six year. Olds point of view would lacking any understanding any empathy and the true context of what's going on in life yet as thirty six year olds forty six year olds. It's how were actually living our lives for most people and so the first four weeks is about taking out the weeds and then the second eight weeks is about now deciding as adults. What stories what would what do we want him plant in the garden and then the second four weeks is me guiding you to become the person. That is the gardner of your life. And that's the identity. Alcoholism shift because the thoughts in the words then the actions and then the habits. That's that whole program walked through his. I i need to take out the weeds then now that the weeds are gone. Who you really wanna be which the outcome and then all right. So that's what we're going for. How would that person think. How would that person speak. Would that person do. And what would they do repetitively. And then we design that together right. Then send you on your way and hope that you love me. One day you become real rich and leave a bushel of fifties outside my door. Hey you guys get it. That's the that's the. That's the the real work of of that that this twelve weeks and designed incredibly Intentionally to to really get that flowing through pimple widely to break down a few of the elements to that would go over with people in in some of the weeks but like right in the very beginning this some of exercise. We've already done. But i want to hear it from from your words and your perspective. What's a what some ways people can identify the words. The thoughts the stories that they're currently telling himself that are no longer serving them. Awareness is the starting line to the divine awareness is the starting line to the divine inside of all of us. I it's abou becoming a witness to your life and not just living your life and that may sound relatively simple in theory and an it really is when you break down but oftentimes. That's usually where people are. Struggle is are you paying attention on what you're doing or what i'm doing or anyone you know for yourselves. To the point where you are not reacting to life you are responding to it and because responding requires you to actually think about what you're doing and actually seeing yourself doing it when we react to life it's based on programming earn iowa's system that we may not have majority of people did not put their did not choose for it to be there and no wonder their outcomes in life is not what they really decided to be and they've read every single book on planet earth on how to be better but that's only for their conscious brain. They haven't gotten to the real gatekeeper. Which is your subconscious stories. Which are the ones that are shaped from zero to seven You have me thinking more of like the language side of things now because there's a his kind of bouncing around but this is like where it came up like the whole masculine feminine at feminine energy but the way that are maybe their stories there. There's a specific language where that pops up and it seems to be tied to some your. Maybe how we're presenting ourselves in the way that we act in our lives you know through business. The way that our motivations are could be rooted in kind of like this previous trauma or this story that we have from childhood that we have no clue about that kind of curious to explore thoughts around that and how it relates to this process. We went through as well. Great energy dynamics one. Oh one just for anyone. that's listening. There's two major frequencies in the world is has nothing to do. You have in your pants. This is not a gender specific thing. There's this is why. I'm really writing the book as well because saying feminine and masculine puts people into a story too far back that i'm just like i got explain this to you again. Scared to use the terms like that. Right until literally the booker writing right now. The fifth be code is all about re creating names for this as well. I teach it. And then i go. This is what we're calling it and this is what we're calling it and this is where i encourage you to call it from now on because too much windows and closed. Go up when i go you know matt. You need to have more feminine. You would i mean lipstick drag. Just goes into a place where right now if i told my dad dad. Listen man you need to really have more access to your feminine energy. Go i give you this fragmenting fingers right now. He just doesn't views. But these dynamics are inside of all of us. The more denial of one Lease you dominant and the other. And i'm willing to bet that is anyone actually has some sort of suffering. They diagnosed it with different things yet. An imbalance service miss harmony and anyone is really the result. A real source of what traumas so feminine. Energy is the south and also a nurturing warm energy though we all must be able to give ourselves access your heart per se. Masculine energy is a advancing more action taking and also to the the seat of integrity. And or trusting yourself. She could see when you really break it down if you can't give yourself grace which is loving acceptance which is for me the ultimate feminine feminine. And you can't trust yourself which i call integrity which is trust. Plus you know just knowing who you are right like that is a Integrity do what i say. I'm gonna do. I know that if i'm backed up against the corner. I'm the person that i want in that corner. I'm the one that wants the ball. Ten seconds to go in my life. Don't dish it to someone else. I got the shot because when you feel that way when you can accept yourself you could lead to loving yourself. The removing of judging yourself compassion forgiveness and then moves you into gratitude. Then you shift into that. Masculine side were then. We'll couldn't you do if you loved yourself. You give yourself compassion and then you trust yourself that you can advance and then there's of the divine which is gratitude. Faith that life is happening for you not to you. That's why i call it the gig triangle. Once you know the gig triangle will couldn't you. Do i love i fully love and accept myself from my past who i am and when i'm imperfect i could give myself grace. I know that who i am. I believe in myself. I trust myself. I live with integrity. Because i know that. I'm gonna show up for me and the people that count on me and that i believe in the divide which is gratitude. That life is happening for me. So that i know that things in the short term. Even if they don't feel great they were really mad for me. We count alive wooden you lead of. That's bliss who's that's the thing too is sign about happiness. It's about bliss through two different things. Happy to me is a like kinda go. I'm happy you know. And then i could be said and i get that but we really want us a life of bliss just serenity seth as more of a flow state related. Yeah i'm blissful sure you're not to happy you're not too sad. You're wearing either imposter. Yeah i was actually reading a book that just this weekend that was referring to that is just feeling content. People say they want to be happy but really what they're looking for us they just want to be content they not too happy not just kind of baseline contentment. Because but then he yeah with any spike and craziness or whatever there's always a trailing off period. I mean there's always a finding center unbalance ish. It's never gonna be there but that's why we can be content throughout the whole thing. Yeah and that's what we can control some might as well take. Hold of it deuce. Navigate the the wildness or whatever. The world gives us. Yeah yeah i feel like when we were when we were up at your place a couple of weeks ago And we were driving back and joan kind of debriefing on the drive home. Because you know it's about hour and a half driver. Whatever one of the comments that i made to joe is. It's interesting because when i'm in your presence. I feel like there's there's something about you that's both intimidating but also inviting and welcoming like i. I didn't have any discomfort by about like i could ask you anything and you would. You would love to tell me a story about that thing but there's also this there was also this sort of like you're you're someone to be respected and slightly intimidated by also very welcoming and to me that felt like that feminine masculine energy just like manifested right there in front of me like that is who you are and i feel like that's something that you kind of methodically created. It's it it sounds like what you're telling me. This was an identity that you've built over time was to create this identity of somebody. That's that that is respected by others but also very welcomed by others that people feel comfortable but also slightly intimidated by that kind of like the the design that you created for yourself as really interesting. You've done the the story work my story. If you will is a divide masculine. Once i learned to love it and so it really worked out well and so for you met the first thing i encourage you to do is live a life that nothing intimidate you. You're intrigued so no mana timid me. I'm a tree by a lot of fun so intriguing like you know how excitement and nervous are really the same. Feeling they really are was the difference. Your lens Right so why would anyone intimidate you. You are a beautiful successful man. That has a lot to offer many cool party tricks your open enough to blow some bags your your study your courageous the no man should intimidate you. They might intrigue you neither timid eight interesting. I like that respect and for me as a man what really separates a man from a boy is. I don't care if people like me. I give a fuck if people respect me. Treat me what respect you who go home and light voodoo dolls and throw darts at pictures of me. I'll sleep just fine. When you're in my presence you better respect me kazama man and i know i paid the price to be one and that to me is really important and then being able to be comfortable inside of my heart allows me to be welcoming and warm with others and so i'm happy to be a host and connect because i host and connect my heart and so that's you're you're you're really accurate with mad as i've learned to harmonize my frequencies enough and also be okay with being in one versus the other and knowing more intentionally now than ever when i need to be in one energy versus the other see a lot of people. I is understanding the energy to doing the work. He'll therefore access the energy and then number three is the skill of knowing which where you're at in your life and which one should you be a little bit more of because it's not about being inbounds it's and being in harmony. I'll share this because this is a business a business show so in business. There's three stages in an enterprise sharing thurs connecting the underselling. Thurs making the deal. The first two are feminine. The last one is masculine So when i share my message. I share it with beauty and art and love. Which is marketing back. Then i advertise and connect to those that. Like the sound of my message. So if you like what. I'm sharing. I'm going to advertise with you and or connect deeper with you because you already raised your hand that this interest you. You perked up. But then when it gets down to the x.'s. And o.'s of business. My feelings will be muted because it has nothing to do with feelings at that point. Because now i'm a hunter making sure that my business and my family eats and if there's an antelope a crowd van elopes and one of them has a broken leg. I guess it see-seekonk today boys. And i don't feel bad about taking that broken leg one and give him myself easy day and that's business While simple legal struggle with sales for instance like that and it's because they might be in the same mindset of that first day they found someone connected with someone conversations and then yeah and then the point comes where they might get a new from or not right now you know and oh god. They didn't like it. I'm not good at this man. Maybe on price in this way too high and then no. It's that's the wrong approach in. We've had people on sales folks on this show talk about the hunt near the hunter and a mediator. And it's like you got. It's almost like you're you. You've trained your mind to then flip into this mindset because that's not always how these folks it's like a ufc fighter. It's like you know some of the nicest people in the world. We both know some and they get in the ring. Fucking animal east. Tear your face off clearly watching. Ufc fighters deescalate situation drew up a couple of weeks ago. Right right. yeah but it's no big deal but you see that's what most people do try to do business. Is they try to do all three once. And that's really why they struggle or they're unaware of what frequency. They should be bringing at that moment. So how'd you like. Are there some obvious ones. And let's say business or you know common things you come across wear. Maybe we should be able to identify these a little clearer than they are. Yeah real simple. I two things anyone. That doesn't know what i mean. Watch that scene. And tommy boy when he's talking about pretty little pot that is literally what he means. Littlehey pretty little okay freaks out the first two when you are in your feminine. There is no desired outcome. The feminine is a feeling when you get to the masculine. You either made the sale. Didn't you either brought the food home or you didn't is more binary then right matt. Okay so when you get to the deal it's very binary so when you go share your message when you're looking at your mercuty it's hot as my marketing feel and then if you want to look at the results to make sure your feelings are aligned. I'm with you yet. It should be hot as my marketing. Make my client feel once. I've that's working. Well how mike connecting with them are they listening more my are they moving into sales calls. Great all feeling at first but then when you get down to the business hey. Do you got the dinner or not. Kids are hungry. You can't you can't cut checks for your mortgage with feelings And that's why that pardoning to go away for a little bit and that needs to go there and this is really believe it or not more beneficial for the female entrepreneurs. I realized is. Because they're such great nurtures most of the time when they're feminine dominant which is predominantly women but some men may wear too but then when it comes out time to pull their pistols and go to work there shooting water goods someone else's just like do kid me good luck. Kill this thing right. And that's because they're not able to detach from the feeling because more. The hunter needs to have the right tools. They need to be prepared. The need to understand the the aim the goal the bottom line like they need to be ready to walk away from the deal right that moment of negotiation. Can you not have feelings and wait and similar in that. Dafu that person we all know on that sales call whoever speaks first loses and then whoever speaks usually has a feeling 'cause they're chaotic they're just reacting to the masculine should be able to simmer. And so that's really what i've learned is to stages are misunderstood and that's why people aren't successful and or that's why people that are really passionate about their job to also like coaches earning guides like that they also need to access and they were good healthy relationship with their masculine. Because basically what you're saying. Is i know that i could go be animal. But the animals not going to. I'm going to hold the leash on the animal. The animals like the whole deletion. But you have to be an animal. Just like the fighter example. And that's why are the alpha the alpha and any situation it just might be that more feminine dominant or masculine your to me. The alpha is someone that leads the dance her. That's all you're keeping your ear on the beat the whole time for the room. Because i looked to do is stabilize the frequencies that are around me and to me the ultimate form of the l alpha or masculine is to be a stabiliser or a safety net for every one that they're around her they could touch right. I was telling him some guys in my mens group. It should feel like when you get on this call. You're walking around with the biggest boobs in the street. And you've had a braun all day and you could just take your broth and here to help you boobs and it should feel that way feel let loose yet is that cy. Yeah you know. And that's what i i am. Body and then. I coach author men to embody. Now i mean so you obviously train men you know an e you basically you take men pro you turn them pro or help them turn themselves pro. I guess but yeah yeah. There's so much for women to take from this. And i think like you said this is probably one of the biggest is understanding where the energy shows up and you know what to do to flip it so like what is generally like how would if someone were to identify like am struggling with sales or or you know i'm a woman. I'm struggling to do some of these more masculine energy tasks like what are some approaches. That people can take to you. Know if they're aware of these things of course. Are there some couple of things we can test out here. Yeah i'm gonna give. You is my real secret. My favorite thing and i said it a little bit earlier. I alluded to perfect way to get to the callback. Joe i listen to music. So these are energy frequencies woods another frequency that we all consume is music is the ultimate frequency changer. So i have music that. I listen to to begin embodying the frequency before i do anything so i get into the part so when i come home every day. I'm about to go see my family and no longer. Should i be that killer. I listened to womanly songs. I have multiple songs that remind me of rossio one song. That is my mother so the song with my mother is the first time i saw your face by. Roberta flack and. I imagine that it's when i came out of the womb. It says the first time. I saw your face. I felt the sun. I thought the sun rose in your eyes and the moon and the stars were the kisses that you gave and it connects me to my heart. 'cause that's who i believe. The perfect mother is when you come out of the wall and you and i watched this with my own son. When that boy put his head and his mother he knew that he was safe and home and there was no reason to be worried anymore. And so i use that. When i'm coming down the street walking down to to do a podcast. I got my biggie. Smalls at her side. She glasses and i got some kanu was jay z. Watch the throne mob. Strutton down the street. And i got the biggish fonts in the world. I get on the shows or podcast myself or biggs of steals. 'cause i wanna walk in the room like i'm the predator. You're in the room with me. I'm not in the room with you. Jack. and so that's how i do is is i use music so intentionally to trigger me into what energetic state. I'm supposed to be in got it. Yeah so it can be like a transitionary period going back home before you show up with the family and the kids is a work. Yeah you wanna get ramped up you. Maybe have a speech coming up or sales. Call your life. let's get some fricken. Whatever that masculine energy that ramp up. That's going to do it before you the implications that are interesting to me as well are that like the reverse is also true. So many people are out there pumping stuff into their head. That's changing their energy and their subconsciously. Doing that right so you can get in your car and put on the radio and now you're giving the control to somebody else's actually right. You know this whole like social dilemma thing. why not use it to your advantage. That's right they re though. I was doing this when i first started studying. Ano- p triggers right like neuro linguistic program. But now guys everyone knows the party trick right. I mean just so. If they're hijacking your wires. Why shouldn't you do it for you for the benefit of you share and now that we know from just listening to this show that there's too energetic frequencies the another way for energetic frequency that we all know is music which is an input right it could even be just. Sometimes i listen to just if i just wanna feel happy and let loose. I put on a fun house house music set and then all of all of a sudden i'm not in a funk anymore. Yeah if i want to bring myself down for a work session as you put on some Melodic techno kinda. Sasha ben bomer track comes into the what i'm about to read a take a little toot sqi draken espresso and before you know it. I'm reading things and flow to yeah last night myself in that same format works fabulously and so for me Be an energetic. Dj of your life. Because then you won't need to worry so much about what you're gonna say. I love the energetic. Dj that's that's like everyone can take that and run with it however relates to their lives. Right we've never had it so easy and actually do this. We have this available. Go on wherever you consume. Music and pick would frequency eh. One is called california soul. That's mine That for for the heart. And then i have alpha hippie life. Oh i'm just ready to go get him. Do you share that. Do you ever share any of you. Play this it's funny. Here's the deal. I wished want sharing them. But then people. I wouldn't know would add on and off. Yeah this is my intimacy. Don't you start in your own euless to but I'd soundcloud actually have if you follow. If you go on my soundcloud. I have the good shit. That's a bunch of good house. Music that i liked that his both happy and also sort of that work frequency and then i also under my name angels. His quite something called store. And it's the music i listen to when i'm trying to when i go take a sauna or what. I'm trying to go for a walk of deep contemplation. It's a low trouble frequency to get me into that. They've estate where i am more able to be a sort of that sub-conscious dreamworld and really think deeper more expensive about my life and things and so. Yeah dude i i really love it. I just encourage everyone finest song that remind you of your father. Find the song that reminds you of taking care of business. Funny funny thing about this. And i bring this up to my wife. Not many people know this. I've always wanted to be the person in movies that pick the songs like for scenes like there's just certain scenes in movies that i remember just Have you ever heard of a bronx tale. It's a hurt i. V wood chazz. Paul metairie robert deniro. Dark it's amazing but there's a big fight scene and what's playing in. The background is coming together. Like but you feel build one and one is three and then all of a sudden the fight breaks out and you're just you could feel that energy building to that right or guys if ghana flying out does it make you wanna run up to st. Throw some shadow boxer happen. Nothing will we're affected by this we. It's inside of us. 'cause like i said it gets passed the gatekeeper because their frequencies it's deeper than just that human mouse and that's why i love the music stuff because when you could use it intentionally you don't have to think so much. 'cause thinking is exhausting. Thinking get you in trouble. It just ruins it. You're in the experience. It feels like to your out of flow then right. So here's why we go back to identity alcoholism so you don't become a human doing because doing is exhausting. You become a human being. You be the thing and then you don't have to think so much you could trust yourself because over. Thinking is a strategy that we've created because we don't trust ourselves in our instincts and that's because we don't know what frequency really supposed to be in one. We don't understand the frequencies. Were not aware of them. We don't know which homer supposed to be in. We don't know how to get ourselves into rinse and repeat and so every day though the goal is to be in harmony with them. So when i wake up in the morning i go to access my masculine. I take care of business. That will my workdays done. I go be angelo. The guy that comes home cries on his front porch and makes his family dinner. I've become the topi- by become the fat buddha. Who won the good guy see when i'm connecting and cheering and lovey him. The fat buddha abundance but then when it comes time for business the fair buddha turns into me this other version of me. That's like you said. Matt some may find intimidating. That has nothing to do with me. That as do it someone else's lens of me all. I'm looking forward to respect and the big piece of chicken pompous hungry. Yeah like i said if you are not the predator once you get to that masculine part. You're the pray at the nature. Just place itself out boys. That's it we're just playing in nature that's all this is some glorified crazy nature that we've constructed ourselves. Yeah we don't want to admit there were animals dealers were animals. Yeah we sure are the sooner we integrate with that and the sooner that you we we could accept that and begin using our humanness. Our prefrontal cortex to develop a relationship with the animal. And so trying to deny that is the moment that you actually reach enlightenment. And betterment of a person but it's in denying the animal or muting of the animal. They usually leads us down a path of poor identification. Which you guys could now imagine why everyone wants their own noun or whatever you call. It's because you just you're mis aligning your frequencies that's a whole nother damian. Jordan peterson. Talk about that one day guy. See what i'm saying. That's what's there's this gap What i i've read some. I think it's in the psychology of money of his minchin. This book that we're going through right now highly recommended by the way all credit to me dumps getting a great book but there was a line in there. And it's a pretty calm are you has been sent by their folks. Basically like being the average man or person is more noble than the one. That's trying to do everything or is just going with the motions of society or life. You know the social media gotta be there gotta be here but more of the average person. The way i'm i'm thinking about it in context of what you're saying and who you are. I think that was the thing that's intrigued me and still does of you. Angelo's our remember. I'm like you're you're so methodical with your movements and speech and you know i. It just seems like you like you mentioned earlier. You know you on the tv in your house but you know for certain occasions. You'll blow up the projector and go big with it. When conor mcgregor your boy is on you know but this it's almost like you've achieved this averageness and say that the best possible way ever where you're not affected by the global news. I know you just listen every local news. If even you know and every week i read the esi tax that's local but like i think that's the thing that's always intrigued me to you is every story you tell every movement breathing exercise you do like. I told you about this aching neck that i've had for literally over ten years ever since i've known basically i'm like i'm sure probably some energy in you know finally you're clearing that out. Thank you but you're just like. Oh yeah just do some of this you know. Put your neck over your ass. Basically and stuff leaning forward. Because you're probably doing that in your desk which i was and then like it was like two days later. I was like holy crap dude. Like there's just certain things like i never knew about my body and just positioning and breathing and slowing down and understanding language in energies. And it's kind of this poll to average or harmony. You know that it's so a lot of folks just are probably ignorant ignorant to but not aware of because of the noise of everything right now. Ignorance is misunderstood. ignorance is in a bad thing. Ignorant means you don't know what it is I make things right now. Everyone ignorance ignorance is just the absence of awareness outside of the news. Sc times yeah. You don't know what's happening. The county over coup. Here's the deal is awareness leads to choice an intention so i do things and make choices based off certain attentions that i have for myself. I've just because. I could slow down enough to be aware that i could have intention by what i'm doing. That's different to the action and responding so it may seem like i have so many things figured out. No i just been living the life of more awareness in tension of before some other people. I'm just grateful that i've had this time to a gift to reflect That's all i've done now. My choices are based off my own awareness and also too. I keep resorting back to this. I trust myself which means a great relationship with my instincts. I don't let my brain second gus me. I let my brain make the plants. My instincts are the first thing. And i have even if i make a bad choice. I do my best tobacco against my instincts for too long because it's important to develop a good relationship with our instincts just like our instincts is another word for our animals. Because they were here before our prefrontal cortex. We survived a long time without being sold reasoning and so intellectual. And all of this stuff. Let's all stop pretending like that. And or leading our party trick which is our reasoning as humans. That's what separates from our animals right. We had this prefrontal cortex they could imagine. Things create the ego create the boogeyman and create to hero yet. Oftentimes we to me. We use it in the wrong order. See people go. They might feel something but then they let their brain dark out now. I feel something. My heart inspires my brain conspires. And my you know what makes the fire puts me in action Yet oftentimes we might be inspired but then our brain does it work in our favor. It works against us or our minds work against us. And that's no different than you having an imaginary best friend or you have believing in the boogeyman choice. Though the same people they come the same way so either you could be scared or you could ever best buddy which you at all times am as good that the pinch point the the the the point of resistance is the mind man and it's like clear that up and then what's going to happen pretty cool shit. I think yes called an iphone. It's called a car. You've all these amazing cool things every breakthrough right. Could you just imagine. If steve jobs. Imagine the iphone thence gave himself all the reasons. Why would be stupid. again. This could be super cool and he just were. This could go. let's give it a try. And that's because he had a really good relationship with his instincts. See lon. Musk didn't know about how to build radka chips. He hired engineers to build rocket ships But he had a feeling about rocket ships and living on mars. Same thing about electric cars and now about neuro link so vending one out there wants to be a visionary do not allow the mind to put you into client. That's it give yourself a chance. Feel something and go. Whoa how can i do right or i. T's people when they come to san clemente. I the move here you go you say why clementi i see why not. That's right that's the thing. Why can't it be intrigue right by you. Know and that's what's really important is getting past. It's like little pebbles in our shoes. From the music we choose from power. Viewing the world. How we say it right. Our thoughts are words are actions actions at our outcomes which is different. We went a lot of place. I know so we really did. We took a lot of laps. This is jerry. Guys is just application wise kitten tune with the frequencies and then choosing the music Is a loan in itself will change your life huge amro that's-that's a call. That's a cool very easy thing. We can just flip on look for and just play lists. I'm sure we have them. Linked up in the show notes pursue already real benny. You don't just pick the song that remind you of your mother picture song that remind you of your best lover that will take you to your feelings. Pick the song that reminds you of no feelings. Like you're the only like for a lot of men frank sinatra visit. Make you feel like you could take on the world that you're ready to do. What is your own terms to me. a favor. don't ever message but like something like along the host lying. Yeah that is. That's what you wanna feel like when you go into a business situation. Yeah man why. Here's another good actionable resource for folks. Because i've obsessed over it before going into the program at alpha hippie with you is your podcast. Tell me about it. Because you have of interviews. But y'all s- in and i've been on there. That was like felt like the closest thing to joe. Rogan was nearly three hours. It was epic that was almost a year ago crazy. But your podcast. Has these like action. You know five eight minute long things that you can late nerd over but tell me about the podcast. How people can get it. You're and then we'll wrap up will die abo- on this all right joe so right now. I do three different types of shows. Joe you and i did a story kinda just were flowing getting to know each other front stoop and show. Yeah the second show. That i do. Is i take subject matter experts. That are really specific and geared towards something that is more men specific or relationship that words more about giving information the first is story the seconds information and then the third one is me guiding your teaching on a certain topic. Something that i feel really passionate about or through my work with men to something. That i'm i'm talking about you. Know an an experiencing For instance The show came out You know about Why you keep fighting with your wife and getting them now understand that your wife cares about what you say. Think say and you care about what your wife does so get on the same page with them because more than likely it's your way says what you say like well would you do. And then that's the descr that's the fusion. Like when i go out with my family my wife we get in the car. Whitegoods pissed about what someone said. I get pissed about what someone did true. God damnit your mother was out. Your dad said. I'm getting i'm trying to forgive my dad. 'cause i don't think it's a big deal. Meanwhile ready to kill ever family for some days. It different lenses and i try to get people to see and experience these things. Because i'm like. I said i have a nice level I have a gifted level of awareness And i'm trying to share. I'm take out the try. I share my awareness in real time with other men hoping that my experiences my suffering. My victories are able to even them in their journeys. Msn now you definitely have that whole collective approach man you bring everyone along which you you see your gracious along the way to share bags you have a great time to sleep that references and What we're talking about all right inside joke hippies hippies hippies these days man we we lean more that way this has been great. Where can people will. You had the book coming out later in the year right so the alpha hippie code. I'm willing to sell this thing. I'm black friday. It's going to be opened up for sale. I'm black friday. I'm writing it right now. Could go and editing and moore put myself out there in a beautiful foldable way on. They'll because is going to be all about these frequencies and and really how to embody them step into them and also to. It's a selfish memoir. My son so he could learn about how i learn them because i have deep fascination and wanting to know who my father was before he was my father and i trusted every boy deep down really wants to know a little bit about that so alvin because they'll be available round their time and i'm writing it right now as we speak and it's absolutely amazing. I laugh and cry every time we put a chapter together. It's an epic journey end. But it continued to do the work and surrenders to the divine and and know that. As long as i'm wearing the mask that everything's gonna be beautiful at umbrella things. It's start out with the hippie brand or the alfa hippie brand to manso you're growing like crazy it's fun to watch man be involved so it's been good. I'm sure we'll do it again. My man thank you. No thank you guys for having me So you two are two studs and anyone that listens to this show. Thank you so much for listening. And the shows that i trust that they they see you guys as i see while you guys are absolutely amazing and the the quality of content and also to the The tools and resources that that evergreen prophets and hustle and flow gina. That you guys bring out a really amazing and you know. I don't say that. Because i only look at them. I say them because we use them. And we trust in you guys in love you guys are devoted to you so appreciate your brother levy to thank you king. Hard edge face smoking's yeah take a breath. That was a lot of good stuff it was it was and i feel like we word like tip of the iceberg of the type of angelo talks about typically iceberg of just the conversations. We've had with angelo over the past on sense. why yeah it was You know it's easy to spend a day. Did a couple of weeks ago. It was pretty simple to. I was very simple to have an interview with him for nearly three hours. Jesus word of the time. Go but yeah so happens when you get someone. That's unit front stoop yapen. Yeah you know. It'd be in a storyteller. In how powerful is it when you can kind of understand how to tell not. Only the structure of store is like a layer deeper of the the. Why behind the stories like she the frequency all that stuff yeah when he was talking about storytelling like i think he put it in a context that i've never looked at storytelling from before right so like you know. In my mind being a good storyteller was being a good entertainer. Like people would want to be around you more if you're good at telling stories because you're more entertaining and more enjoyable to be around if you're a good storyteller you'd probably be better at podcasting blogging content creation in general things like that. If you're a good storyteller the the perspective that he approaches storytelling from now is that everybody has these existing stories inside of them and if he can replace your existing story with a news story then you guys are both on equal footing when you have conversations around the things they you. He told the story about fair. So for example. I've always had this story around like this was sort of referencing the show. I've always had this story around like tobacco and things like that like you know. Smoking is nasty. I hate the smell of cigarettes I had a teeny tiny phase in high school. Where i smoke cigarettes for a little bit because i thought it made me look cool. I guess i didn't get addicted. Didn't last very long. But you take pictures me like. I don't think there's any pictures. Pfleger smoking cigarettes. I'd probably bought one pack. Ever and by the time. I was the pack. I was like screw. This doesn't make me feel good but I i've i've always had these stories around tobacco right. But we went over to his house and we were there and And he started telling stories about tobacco he was like he was telling these stories around. How you know in in like the psychedelic world. You've got iowa which is the mother and tobacco is considered the father because of its ability to sort of your state in the masculine feminine energies. And there's a whole rabbit hole around that that he was telling stories around and then he was also talking about tobacco as tobacco used to be the thing that like in like tribal civilizations they would all kind of pass the pipe around or they would all pass the you know the the rolled tobacco or cigar around and that was sort of time was people like sort of passing the tobacco around and telling stories around tobacco and then he also telling us you know from a i don't know if that's the right word physiological to your body. Yeah he was telling us that like like little bits of tobacco in little hints of nicotine. Help you bring you more present and get you a little more clarity and people use like nicotine gums and things like that. It's like a focus new tropic and stuff right so we got to his house and i had no intention on like smoking tobacco with him that day but after he's he yeah we actually faked it but after he sort of framed all of these stories about like tobacco is the the the sort of cultural storytelling thing and tobacco does this for your body and You know tobacco being this sort of mother plant and all of these different stories tall around father plant. Yeah after he told all of these different stories. He sort of replaced the internal stories. I had around tobacco with these new stories. And then when he offered some up when he had his. You know his volcano vaporizer thing. When he offered some up. I was a lot less hesitant to turn it down. Because now i have all these new stories about it right. Yeah and that's say that like uber. I necessarily think tobacco's a good healthy thing. Now i'm just saying it's been completely reframed to me per meaning to it. There's a different perception around it now. And so he basically his new stories over wrote my existing stories so i was less resistant to to that sort of change when when the opportunity came so. Now that's why you're a chain smoker. That's why i smoke two packs a day. Dammit angelo shifting. Now i'm just gonna. You're not doing that. I'm not doing that is not what interesting no like tobacco as a tool now. Now i know that's a tool in my toolbox of okay. If i really really wanna get focused in maybe we'll vaporize a little bit of tobacco like we don't even smoke it we don't even bust it. We like vaporize the tobacco right so it's a tool. It's so. I mean that's where you actually had a remember from when i did iowa and i didn't know it at the time but You might have said it. But i forgot but tobacco. I think was the shaman. There he had cigarettes. But you know there were like these ceremony oli rolled. You know it's not like with a backup margot rent but but that was part of the ceremony from us. Smoking that we were doing that. I walk but i think he was just like it was kind of puffed in the air. This like tobacco is like almost like in the area. I think that's pretty common. Actually in the ceremonies if it's like feminine dominant thing. It's gotta be an energy thing. And i guess i didn't really understand that but that is why angela was talking about with these stories have made. It gets back to what we talked about here. In this podcast. Yeah is all everything's a frequency. It's an energy most of it. We can't see you know like there's to other things like we just watched a video. We're actually not supposed to say much about it. But with our buddy immi shah but like a lot of what he was saying in that video which one day when its public will share it around. It's just not ready for primetime yet. But he was talking about how. There's all these things that we can't here. We can't see the spectrum of light you know there's all these auditory frequencies and sounds we just can't hear obviously like dog whistle. Dogs are here totally different. So just imagine anything that we're missing out on in life and angelo talked about how he is just has a deeper level of awareness. And that's how he's focused and allowed himself to really create space to do that and he. He legit trained himself into that space. And it's so. Obviously he walks on a different plane late. There's a different level wave of thinking obviously frequency waves. Then i would say anyone else walking on the street or most people you know. It's just kind of obvious. Yeah it's really intriguing. Yeah whichever's agree. Reframe to the whole intrigue verses intimidation. Yeah no that was. That was a good reframing. The most interesting man in the world so like you don't being a storyteller has Has additional benefits beyond the more obvious benefit of just now the attention on you right Another thing that he talked about. And i actually wrote this quote down because i loved it. Be an energetic. Dj of your life right down. So i was happy. Because i was like how i always like that line. Dj of your life and like the idea being that like when you get into your car a lotta times the radio might be on and you just whatever sort of energy frequencies the raiders putting out. That's what you're getting kind of. You're giving up the control of your energy to another thing the programming you. Yeah so like if you if you're trying to go into a sales meeting or something and you kind of be like empowered in the have that masculine energy and ready but you're listening to like For enya drive over right. It's like you know there's a little bit of a mismatch of energy there. My heart will go on from titanic my i don't i don't know that's the celine dion. You pump that right before you're about to get into like to pitch for your new startup. mcgregor's listening to walk into the ring. Rose going down at the. I forget nazi wild. But if you're going to go like hang out with your grandma or something. You might wanna listen to something a little bit. Calmer get yourself into more feminine energy and again like like he said the male energy versus feminine verse masculine energy. There's people have stories around that sort of pick and choose so a lot of people hear this and probably get triggered by it because they're like. Oh when i say fenway energy he saying like oh. That's a girly thing to do. Though it it's not there's no sex attack you to get to doesn't have to be male in feminine. Does that be female. An energy you know like and so like saying something is feminine. Doesn't mean you're saying it's girly and saying something masculine doesn't mean you're saying it's manley right and i think i think that people get kind of in the past as well. Yeah understanding it in this format. And i like the fact that here's angelo this this You know kind of like mehrtens man kinda looking. 'cause he is is an explaining in his terms. I think helps maybe demystified a little bit. Yeah yeah this is. Cool this yeah. We'll definitely have him on again. Because we are check out alpha hippie their programs are podcast is legit. I would start there. And it's just listened to angelo behind the mic. There's just a he has a different perception of how a lot of us will approach things. And i think those refrains as little like little reframe here and there. 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Column: Karaoke Was Always an Escape Before the Pandemic. Now It's More Than That

TIME's Top Stories

05:25 min | 3 months ago

Column: Karaoke Was Always an Escape Before the Pandemic. Now It's More Than That

"Brought to you by macy's kuroki was always in escape before the pandemic. now it's more than that by amy fan ban is the author of. We should never meet. And the re education of cherry trong. The hostess lean forward to check my vaccination car then raised her digital thermometer to my forehead. Are you celebrating a special occasion tonight. She asked after reading my temperature. Just being able to go out. i said she nodded. We hear that a lot. The karaoke bar was dark and cozy hidden in the middle of the japan center. Mall in san francisco in the corner. Dramatically lit cityscape backdrop and a black ceiling of stars illuminated a small stage surrounded by clear plexiglas screens. The lounge was nearly empty but within a few minutes it would fill with other patrons like me who'd reserve one of the twenty spots that evening it had felt disorienting. Walking through the indoor mall and navigating the corridors of masked and unmasked strangers. But as soon as i saw my friend kirsten at a table by the window excitement replaced uncertainty. We'd been looking forward to this for weeks ever since the state relaxed its cova nineteen restrictions allowing bars and restaurants to reopen at limited capacity. The other members of our party arrived and we hugged for the first time in months. We marvelled at seeing the bottom half of each other's faces. We ordered cocktails and leave through the huge binders of songs and artists to write down our requests our group all asian american women. Writers began doing karaoke together. In two thousand sixteen. When we gathered to discuss the books of elena guerande and celebrated afterward with singing karaoke book club. We called it and after we finished varieties novels our nights out endured but our meet ups like every other social activity halted with lockdown. Karaoke was out of the question especially given concerns over how the respiratory virus spread. We downloaded several apps and tried to recreate the experience online. But we can never find the right software to sink our voices. The best we could do was mute. Our computers so we get here only ourselves making the reality of our isolation even more apparent like so many other joys in our lives. Karaoke did not transfer smoothly zoom when our friend. Our oh i suggested the outing over group taxed in may i'd happily agreed but as the date grew. Closer doubts crept in the morning of our get together. I felt nervous and reluctant. I've grown used to hermit. Life and the prospect of driving across the bridge to sing in a bar with strangers seemed risky both healthwise with reports of new variants around the world and socially i hadn't sung like really sung in months but after a few encouraging tax with another member vanessa. I put on lipstick and address startling. Both of my children who'd grown used to my messy buns sweatpants. That night was not a complete return to normal. The servers circled the tables wiping down services and scooping away. Empty glasses and plates we use disposable microphone covers a maximum of three singers. Were allowed on the stage at any time. Still it felt like a milestone in our collective journey out of the nightmare. The evening song choices were eclectic. Though all decades old and nostalgic our group requested pop favorites and ballads like new orders. Bizarre love triangle and bonnie tyler's total eclipse of the heart while others rocked out to alternative choices like cakes. Short skirt long jacket. oasis's wonderwall a few suspected. Karaoke regulars impressed with frank. Sinatra's love and leonard cohen's hallelujah but the standout of the night was a stranger selection. Rem's classic it's the end of the world the lyrics reviving our past year with bittersweet. Poignant's we sang along and danced off the last fifteen months chasing the unpleasant memories away but maybe every song that night was an exorcism before the pandemic karaoke served as a fun goofy outlet for pent up frustration and worries over work and family life now. It felt more urgent cathartic it was yet another pleasure. We've taken for granted that evening. We gave ourselves permission to experience that bliss and freedom again to be transported by a sentimental melody with newfound gratitude and relief to appreciate our love of silly songs. No matter how off kiwi are. May we never leave the stage for so long again. It might only be midsummer but fall will be here before you know it and with it the start of a new school year. Don't worry macy's has your back first day outfits backpacks lunchboxes macy's has everything you need. Even that must have coffeemaker for those heading off to college and have you seen all their vetting options shop now at macys dot com slash back to school.

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Season 1 Compilation: KTV Songs

Mosaic of China

20:34 min | 1 year ago

Season 1 Compilation: KTV Songs

"Cry For me Tina. Lee Okay good with. That's how impressed people. Just. Need that one song in London. Welcome to thank of China, a podcast about people who are making them Malkin China I'm your host Oscar Kooks. So, this is the second special compilation episode from Season One, and this one contains all thirty guests on answers to the question. What is your Go-to Song to sing at kt kt being the shorthand name for Karaoke in China? I'll keep my intro short this time, but I'll be back at the end of the episode where. A little extra surprise. Coleman, the producer from episode twenty two. Gay TV has completely changed the way that I, think about Karaoke here. Americans don't the the Western style. is to late, take this microphone up prince about like everybody's looking at you like you have to do some sort performance after I in I make some sort big deal is something when actually you could just sit there and choose a Lotta songs. Whoever's the best one at singing it wants to sing it can sing that song sit back do the songs were really high quality level as if you're playing a game and then pass the Mites the next person if you get bored dot finish a song and so one of the things that we have a tendency to do it KTV's just a rush on. Get everything on order and then choose one of the ones that we know and then somebody can just take it like if they want to take it. I. think that time most ingratiated a room was doing with my mate Benza Bonnie Tyler's total eclipse of the heart classic. Yes and so I still have my favorites but I'm really happy to again just like let go with experience and be like just pick any ones. We actually know the words and we'll all jump in. Young eat broadcaster from twenty one. Okay here's a song Chinese called means foam and is assault miracle. Okay. This is not my favorite song, but I think it is my go-to some. To Karaoke. Because it's very good. So for women. For. Me I think entertain mind friend is very important for me. You know sometimes when I go to a Katie, the first twenty minutes is very embarrassing. Someone is picking their someways order trink food someone is she chat and no one is focusing on. So, this song is. Is very good way to everyone pay attention to? More. Sabrina Dawn Program Curator from episode twenty. Six Bohemian rhapsody. One of the reason why I like this very much is because it's similar to musical because I used to will in a musical company to. Do the jewelry craftsman from. Episode Eighteen. So, don't cry for me. I shouldn't Tina. Okay good. Okay. So that's because you're Argentinian at least one eighth, Argentina? But. Also because the song falls into my my voice ranch and I can do that high pitch. Really nicely, you should have gone ECHINACEA. But I love it and also people no one rushing Tina. So they love to hear missing is no. That's how I impressed people. Just? Need that one song. The London. Luzio the market for sprite episode five. Surprisingly it's it's a Chinese. Song Fadigan. I I. Don't know if you know that most of the companies when you for the first year that you right you need to perform in the annual dinner. So I need to I needed to perform to say, what do you do and say, well, I think I like seeing. So Oh That's the let's put into singing. and. then. I was in a business trip in Joe and I was listening to this song in. So beautiful and and they told me what the but the song was about. It was like you know overcoming problems and we weren't having like this super troubled project at the time. and. This is so perfect So there's only about that. Stephan D'Amato the events company CEO from Episode Nineteen. I. Think The one Sung that Remember is doing me and the new Hollywood I. It brings me back to my first time in. Asia which was in two thousand So was I was doing a Chinese over the summer and internship in Singapore and that's song it has just been released that summer So just bring me back to that kind of being a baby not listening anything. Trying to get to make sense of what was around me you see in the morning before the more you know that you don't know anything. Astros Pogosyan the violinist from four. People think that I have to sing really well because I'm musician after perfect tune and all my life is all about being in tune. So when I'm not, I'm trying to sing as out of Tunis possible and I tried to go for the songs that said was like Michael Jackson you are not alone and I'm trying to do it in the super out of tune way. And I really enjoy it. But I'm the only one enjoying I believe. The toll manager from episode twenty seven. SAG superstar. A magazine even. And not on here but that was my go to. Impress People Oh. God. He's bringing that one out again impress because What's Yeah Taiwanese. Yeah. I'm still on the search for a then it's pretty easy. It's pretty easy I mean. I'll be honest I didn't learn every word. To fake a lot of in his it the course. June the historic researcher from episode twelve. Killing me softly that's the only song that action remember all the lyrics, and for some reason, they have it in k TV I try to avoid to me to be honest. As much as I can. But if I do go in I'm forced to sing than this the song that I probably will choose. Michael, the the INSTAGRAM influence threat from episode seven. Oh so Katie. I've actually never done KTV in China I've only ever done cutting. Okay. In Japan my last memory of Cut Okay in Japan was This enormous skyscraper that was like ten floors of rooms and they had costumes you could pick a costume to wear whilst you sing and I was a beer bottle giant beer bottle mark was wearing the bjork swan dress. And we with a big group of people from France and. I remember they were this French. Team. They will they. We're going to be so good at this and we got in the room the repaired and it's really Kinda. You Guy Sing I, remember putting on. NAVONNA. And They just went wild and I've got a video of them. Head banging to NAVONNA, smells like teen, Spirit? Any some the artists from episode sixteen. Making Park Yeah because I don't really go to Kennedy last time I won there was maybe several years ago and when I was in high school with the name Papa was really popular. So is I me and my some classmates they are doing the rap pars and doing singing cars or is longtime ago. I kind of want to see you do that. You're very softly spoken but I can see that you have a punk side to you that would come out pretty strong. Emily? Merge the aquarium conservationist from episode fourteen. some not much of a singer at Katie. I'm usually the one set down watching drinking wine, but I would go hey, jude. If I had to even with all the long. Gets everyone go in everyone joins in with the Lila's really. Maybe it's an end of the night kind of. Yeah, you don't remember how annoyed you are at the tenth La La. And everyone's to drink to remember me singing. That's I shivered point because then everyone sings on top of you and you can just slide away and go back to the wine in the corner. Exactly a very good. Noah Sheldon, the documentary filmmaker from episode. Nine. My favourite k-tvhe song. Is If you want to get everyone going, you can always do tiny dancer. Very good. I think that's That's class Everett Moser. The, Ultra Marathon Athlete from episode twenty three. Led Zeppelin's when the levee breaks It's a beautiful song and it's fun introduced because none of my friends have heard that before and so win available it's not always but that's why like what's always available but I've been talked into a number of times and I've sort of had to claim it as a result is a lady named Natalie. Imbruglia Sung torn, which is like an eight, hundred, Ninety, eight, super pop or something and Colleagues make me sing that one. When we go out 'cause I, I do give a pretty good rendition thanking Natalie. Oh. Wow. Well, of course, I knew that because Brit and we were fed a diet of Australian soaps and she's an Australian soap star got okay which most Americans don't realize. The invention company. CEO, from episode six. I don't know if you know there's a animation Ciro caught Xi Yang is like happy sheep's everywhere. I have seen it. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's the sun every time I was. Like a kid some. About the cabbage like vegetables and carrots and everything. So I just loved that lyrics is like I'm saying all the vegetables together because when she Nick, you the playwright from episode the. I went to the. Many. Many times with my colleague with my friend, my voice another good. But does that one sounds is from a movie and Chinese name is attache Watt xenon movies above a member of the Communist Party. Joe You Click resume in China he died in nine hundred fifty s that is. Really touched a lot of people for many rations. but. In that film have Assam. IS A. Really. Difficult but I love it. Sebastian says the inclusion at the could from episode eleven That's not offensive the to John Denver country. Roads take me home of classic. Classic easy to sing but also a lot of. Meaning in the first years in China was a song to the were referring to home in France an over yours home is now is here. Taylor the pain expert from empathy twenty eight. November Rain No. Yeah. The whole nine minutes. Yeah. Don't touch that button. We have to start at the start. Luckily, comstock the cookie supply from episode twenty. Okay. So My go-to is Atlanta's more set. You ought to know it's just a great one but I'm GonNa say the best move I've ever pull decay TV and I love Kate TV we actually haven't been together. We should totally go why don't happen now. But the best move that ever did I went to a TV with people I wasn't that close with. Two Am everyone's pretty drunk like people are singing their intent songs and at two am put on any as only time. Like new. And it was so funny because I've heard it was like who is this girl like what is she singing and I was taking it seriously everyone's kind of drunk by that point. So like half the people didn't remember but the people who do like what is. So that was really fun. Maples the comedian from episode two. I love. A dull, very deep voice and very emotional. Very hard thing. I. Go to Katie always on my own. Can squeamish. Seen. Scream like I can find someone just like you. Simonetti the business leader from episode seventeen. Probably. The BG's. What. You. Can't tell about the way I think. Rooms not what does it? What does that? Stay Life. Sorry scream. Though just got so excited. You could see it just comes out. Wow Yeah, you got. The fitness community leader from episode eight. This is really basing. Anything by Mariah Carey and soon as a song comes on I'm just I'm belting it. Is a very adventurous, an ambitious goal and I believe you to be very adventurous and ambitious person I think that speaks volumes about you that that question. Oh Gosh don't invite me to TV. Okocho the fashion divine from. Episode thirty. I think most of the Hong Kong people they like Eason Chan became fine loss of Hong Kong culture in the. So the one I love is score. So you call. Sanford Brown the biochemist from episode twenty. Nine. If I had any ability to sing I would not be working in research and innovation I would be a lounge because that is my my desire in life but sometimes you're giving gifts and That is not a gift at all that I have in any way shape or form. That's it. If I if there was one older, one shopping. Mall apple a few years old. It's a few years old. It was a dance Song here, and will you have to see the video as? Felipe Gas Disney resort CEO from. Episode One. I can do anything but think about DNA beast I've been very involved in the new Broadway show that we have here Shan. Beauty and the beast, and the have spent so much time both in New York and here with the with the team working on. Bad So. It sticks to my mind that right now I would say duty and the beast. Nor really the private club GM from episode ten. I, think, because sometimes I go with the Chinese friends sometimes goes with love Western Fred I have to pick up a sound which both people pay understand. So I will woke up for yesterday was more so everyone can sing together and it used to be a very sad song over in Tempe pupils. Seeing together at what we? Delightful. Eric Lander the join lift from episode three. This is quite revealing. I've spent a significant chunk of my adult life in Asia Taiwan Japan Vietnam China. I don't do Katie. I don't do it for the betterment of society and I don't do because you don't want to hear me sing and open I do oh no, you really really don't but I could do you know like you know I mean showers singing like you know, Oh God your your whole character will be judged on whether our hip you are if you on what song you sing. I am I'll say American Pie. My Miss American pie went to Eric. It's beautiful. What are we going to run with? This is why you don't want me I. Mean I'll be on that frontline podcasting but not singing. Gt Chang the translate episode. Twenty Four. Don't really I mean I like some sort of eighteen Hong Kong TV theme song. Or try very miserably and impulsively to sing these Chinese spanned canoe pants in courts it. Is Impossible. Very bad at Karaoke. Twin Barca, the diplomat from episode twenty five. I have done not I bang, which is the Korean version of Katie. I sing in the way that diplomatic personality should so dogs howl and screeching distance so I try not to very often. But my my song of choice is. Size champion which song he did I think in two, thousand, four or five. Right before he got banned from create media for smoking marijuana. Certain burnishing your Korean credentials right there. which is funny since in career actually. Tom. Now. Well, I need to find a Chinese song. Mandra the compliance leader from episode fifteen. I think people ban me go to Katie and stat singing. So don't enter into that. Do you sing at all like when you're whistling down the street or. He started in fact, didn't do much. But I happened to I karaoke CAIN I. Think a couple of months before and people started thinking the machine got correct because they said that when we started doing the Few weeks before he was working fine. started. Singing Voice is not getting up and the armed guards surprised. This is happening. They understood that it is not a problem with the machine so they lead the individual of that room. I'm trying to link this back to what you said before about machines harassing people high. People as. Well that was fun I. Hope You enjoy that compilation as much as I enjoyed putting it together. And you may have already heard me talk about this elsewhere, but I actually made a special version of this episode. That version includes excerpts of the music that each of the guests mentioned and I'm really happy with the way it turned out actually a lot of fun listening to the music as the guests are talking about it. Sadly, I couldn't publish that version publicly because of copyright issues, but if you'd like to hear it, then you certainly can please get in touch with me on social media and I'll share it with you privately. You can message me through instagram and facebook on the handle mosaic of China or send me a note on. We chat to connect with me. They're just find me on my username Oscar one, eight, seven, seven. And when you receive it, please don't pass it to anyone else. It hasn't been designed for that. It should just be seen as a personal gift from me to you. The next compilation episode will be released in two weeks time and it'll be an anthology of the things that still surprise the guests about life in. China. See you then. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you pleasure too. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for having me since you for having me. Thank you so much for having me. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you.

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KROQ 1983 Top Songs 70-61

What Difference Does It Make

49:07 min | 1 year ago

KROQ 1983 Top Songs 70-61

"He's just encounters with people. Wherever you go who? WanNa start a podcast. Actually it's funny because I do when I tell people that I do a podcast like Oh you know what I always wanted to do. A podcast and I think I have a topic but I don't know how to get started. I'm like well. It's it's pretty easy because we use anchor and basically they send it out to apple and stitcher and they do it automatically and even if you want to add someone additional you can do that. Like an additional distributor. We've were now on Pandora and we are on Iheartmedia. It's great because of anchor. It allowed us to reach out to a wide audience. And by the way it's free it is free and it's simple to download and simple to use so just download the free anchor APP or go to anchor Dot F. M.'s. To get started so do it now. Can we talk about pod corns? Before we get started with our podcast. I wanted to talk about pod. Corn Popcorn is a marketplace that connects podcasters to amazing podcast. Sponsorship opportunities like host read ads and interview segments and podcasters of all sizes can choose opportunities right directly on their platform. And you set your own rates and you find a brand that's going to match up with your podcast and if you're a podcast. I highly recommend going and that you are L. is pod corn dot com slash podcasters. Do it now. Hello Hallway. Hello Dave what's going on everybody? Welcome to what difference does it make. It's exciting you're supposed to say the PODCAST. The PODCAST PODCAST IS EXCITING. So welcome hey. How are you didn't get the script today if you by heart feels like we're just talking but we're actually this we write the script out every every week? Everything scripted never know this part. We're talking about scripted crazy. Not WHAT WE'RE OKAY? So we have a podcast. What is this all about? Why are we doing this? What's going talking eighties? We're talking mostly eighties. Music Some fashion and pop culture Tv movies. I mean by Pop Culture. Yes but mostly music because we love eighties. Music in Delhi. Dave we do yes. Of course And just as a springboard we've been using the K rock one. Oh six point. Seven songs from the entire decade of the eighty S. We did nineteen eighty. We did eighty one. I what comes next any to eighty two perfect. I'm still learning I couldn't remember and the okay and now we're doing nine hundred eighty three and we are coming down the one. Oh six point. Seven songs of one thousand nine hundred three that were played on the world. Famous K rock. We also remember. We want to remind our listeners that while we are using a list of one hundred six point seven song because that was their frequent that is their frequency. They have since pared it down to eighty songs so twenty six point. Seven songs have been eliminated from each year. And it's been fun to guess whether it's been eliminated or not and we are pretty much mid nineteen eighty-three now right. Mid would you call number seventy mid fifty mid? Both of us are bad at math. Okay so that's okay. Yes a shout out to my to my bff fable who we mitten remedial math in college. You were in remedial math math. Oh nine eight or nine or something class in o-class super proud you managed to to rise above. I have risen above and I take another math class after that. Why would ever taken in a math class? I probably there. There might have been another requirement. I might have blocked it out and I probably haven't used any kind of math too much math since nor have been able to help my children in math as they've grown past probably sixth grade. Okay as a podcast her and talking about eighties music. How often do need math well? Partly you need it because you don't know what half of one zero six point seven back to the original point. That is a good point. Maybe I should go back and take a refresher math class. That's all right. Well you matthey was not A. I will not about the but I did okay at math number taking a statistics class in math. You Know Yeah Baseball. Fan GotTA LEARN. A low mass. You're actually. It's all math now in baseball. Knit is all. It is all math and Sam My son my seventeen year old youngest child oldest son is taking he opted for statistics over calculus as a senior in high school I guess he he finds it. He will never have a use for calculus Districts there may very well be a useful in the future for sure that's Yeah if he loves baseball and you read anything about baseball. It's all numbers. He does and his numbers now. Yeah not sure not sure I feel about that but you know okay could lead to a future for your oldest son. Yes yes maybe it will stay tuned time we get to one thousand nine hundred nine. Maybe he'll have a career already. Maybe he'll be able to fledged career. Goes up this go on forever if all else if all goes according to plan all right so Part math is counting backwards. Can You As we countdown you know the smaller the number the bigger the hit how thanks Casey. How about if we start with seventy today okay? So this week we're going to go from seventy to sixty what these are. The songs that were originally played on Kiro Q. This was their year end list. And then I will say whether it is on the updated list of That's on the HD two station the World Famous K rock star. Y'All with me and the song is still. I'll ask you if you think it's still on and I'll let you know the answer may price you pay good. I thought it was a teaser. It's always a teaser. All right So let's let's fire it up and get started. What where are we seventy? We are at seventy and seventy is Falco for Alco Dirk Commissar. All this Clark. Kerr saw okay. You know we probably have German listeners. Alice Clark he'll do you know what that means. You could go ahead and tell me it means everything. Okay officer very cool yes. I don't think I knew that at the time you cool carbon saw you cool off. Sir. I'm good I'm cool. I'm cool you. Did you watch the video? I did not watch it this time. It's great. It's hilarious but I mean. He looks like he looked like a covers. Our first of all a lot of cocaine is probably an assist during the shooting of this video. But he's got the sunglasses he looks Kinda like. I hate to say like a giant Douche bag. But you know he's got but he he does have that attitude but it plays as a rockstar looking back like okay. There's eighties rockstarts kind of fun to see the backdrop of of a police car. And then he's running and it's but it doesn't look real at all but that was. That was the video but he he did his little dance he looks like Donald Trump junior or something. He just got the slicked back hair. The sunglasses I don't know he looks a little bit like like George. Michael and away can't be a bad in the early eighties is a great look and he looks. Do He looks like the Cocky Rockstar. Okay Day she would. You might say yeah well you know. That's what happens when you and just a lot of cocaine. Allegedly this song by Falco was number one in Germany number one in Austria number one in France Italy Japan and Spain about the US and it was not number one here. No it did not days though this did not did not make a mark at all L. At all why was falcons nuts? This huge international hit was not on the charts. This version was all in German after the fires version is in English eight. Yes he did. He actually encouraged English speaking bands to record his song because he felt it would help him make inroads in the US. I worked well because we do know Falco for the song. Yes exactly what's really interesting is As I was doing my deep dive I heard this song by Lower Brandon called deep in the dark. Yeah did you listen to that? I know I didn't listen to it. Need to listen to things. I do listen to this. Yeah you went pretty deep. Go go on Youtube and listen to deepen the dark. And I'm sure you will post it on social media. It's the exact instrumental version the instrumental version but different lyrics. But it's a translation of the lyrics. Isn't it no no for Laura Brannigan? No the the choruses deep in the dark. Oh Oh oh with thunder inner heart. Oh I'm going to delete that that's got that's horrible. No no but anyway. So she did her own lyrics to to that song. Okay I promise I promise I'll post go back and listen Anna Post right real lord of Branagan Fan. I WAS NOT I. What an essay. I respect her. She's talented has many fans. I don't dislike her. Just nineteen eighty. Three was a good year for Laura hit with solitaire number seven. That was the follow up to two Gloria And she had another song on there called How am I supposed to live without you? Do you know that Song I do? I'm not going to sing it. You know but the WHO who sang that song. He's also the writer. You put me on the spot. I know that's what I do here. Yeah I feel like I'm on jeopardy and I'm just now you would have been passed over Michael Bolton. That was that was his first hit mental block. I think that's okay. Laura had a hit with that originally and then of course Michael took it to stratosphere. He wrote it yeah. It was originally written for air supply. Did you know that does that? Surprise me They wanted to make some lyrical changes. Michael was like no. I want as is and so. They gave it to Laura and Michael Bolton said. Do you know who I am songs. As I did. My Deep Laura Brannigan dive. I also saw she was. She did a guest appearance on chips in which he played Sarah the lead singer the female rock band Cadillac. Fox's that is a very eighties name I love that name. Headlock Fox's I have an idea for your future when we retire from podcasting. That's girl band. We can be girl band managers and restart the Cadillac. Fox's are hundred percent be into that. Is this song still on the updated list and question? No question okay. Would you care to guess? It was number seventy in nineteen eighty three in this updated list. Where is it sixty five guests sixty two very good? Get extra points for that. Sure I'll give you points. Okay there you go okay. So let's move on to number sixty nine this song Radio Free Europe. Rem our first rem citing yet. This is what real man and. Yeah Yeah this. Got Me into them. But I'm pretty much let you do all the talking about Ram. Because Dave is the we're not I mean I know you are anyway but it was one of those things where US I heard this and it was like nothing I had heard on on k rock but and then you see pictures of them. I. I don't know there's just something different than I don't know but they they were just they were. They were a little bit older than me But they kind of dressed like me you know like you. Watch them like these. These are Dave translates like a hipster. Just say you know these rem were not hipsters. They were just guys who played rock music but they're kind of like they were hipsters before the hipster before being have snow. I didn't know they didn't come across as being hipsters at all to me to a young slowed yourself. Is it just? Yeah just guys from Athens. You Know Pete worked in a record store. And so you know like someone like springsteen he was thirty five or thirty you know in his thirty s. Who knows what you know? He's old he's over to life that we know nothing about we. Yeah he's over really. I mean I last heard was Nebraska like. Forget this guy this is this is. I'm never gonNA follow springsteen knows if he puts out anything again but this this thing. Rem was something exciting. The saga originally came out in eighty one. And actually I didn't know anything about. I knew I was familiar. They came out on tone. That's I didn't know anything about him tone. So of course I look on Wikipedia and it's A label that was based in Atlanta and they released eight records. The person that was in charge of hip tone was Johnny Hibbert. A law student at Woodrow Wilson College of Law and Yeah so they. They put out eight records. One of them happened to be radio. Free Europe with sitting still and. It's it's a different version. The hip tone version is different than the one. I'm on murmur a little more. I kind of like the well just because I I originally heard the the one on. Irs records so. I kinda liked that. But you know you you hear the tone versions a little more rockin than we'll dirtier to really like grittier. Yeah Yeah Yeah. We're grittier kind of it's cool. I you know they. They put it out later on their different. The greatest hits records hearing the song. Even though I had no idea what was being song it was just a reason for that. Yeah but there's just something that was working. It was crazy when my favorite Radio Free Europe moments is on happened on April thirteenth nineteen eighty three when the song was played on American bandstand and it does not have a condensed here. Do you remember American bandstand. Where you had to rate of record. Yeah okay do you remember what the rating numbers were? It was not zero to one hundred. I don't remember if you could rate the record between thirty five and ninety eight and I have no idea why it was thirty. Five to ninety eight. But that's what they came up with. I do not remember that so So as a guy and a girl and both gave it ninety five and the girl says it's it's more danceable than the other song and then. Dick Clark is hit. And she says sure why not and The guy says Determine a hit song and the guy says if it's easy to dance to an club there it's a good record and Clark says that's proven the button and so there you go on but it's it's it's great watching you know they play. Maybe like a minute and a half snippet of the song and you just see these kids and they're totally eighties dancing to the song and it's phenomenal. It's one of my. I love I once in a while. Watch that actually. Last night I watched it and it was just fun. We're GONNA pass this because I've I've not seen this. I'm going to look at it. Oh it's great. It's great and as they album murmur rolling stones best album of Nineteen eighty-three which was beat out Some album called thriller by. I don't know who in synchronicity by another no name band and this other album and called war by ute to. Is that how you pronounce it? Okay Yeah so you know this beat beat out. Those is a rolling stones' number eight greatest album of the eighties so murmur murmur was my entry. This is something new and this felt like kind of like. You're like my band. These you know is like my secret bag because I didn't know anyone else really in highschool that that knew about the band or I didn't. I didn't have any rem shirts or anything by this album. Just like my little boy band. It's to me. It sounds like I would not have guessed that about American bounce and to me it sounds like and maybe because I know now and I know the band now this to me. Sounds like the Ultimate College Radio Song Jerk but you didn't know it at the high school entering college that year. Okay wait I want to go back to what you said. You didn't know what he was saying in this. You know what there was. No internet or anything to Get the lyrics. Yeah and they weren't on the letter. There's nothing on the sleeves now. That was what when when you read all reviews of the album. No one really knows what he saying. But it's it worked in the in the mix a there was a good reason for that was the reason he hadn't finished the lyrics by the time they recorded the album. He said in an in an interview with an Emmy in Nineteen nineteen eighty-eight Michael Stipe described the lyrical content complete babbling. Yeah it's interested. They were all trying to find their their way. Or I mean I remember the first time I saw him was for the second and never DNC. I think they might have even played magic mountain. I think or some some like that for the number which I never saw. They used to have show magic. Steve Missing Persons there. Oh yeah so. Yeah wasn't just smiled. Spinal tap with puppet show no definitely not they did have good benefits that Nice little theatre. I've seen bands there to replace the seed and do bands But Yeah I remember they were all I remember. Michael would be singing a song and just kinda wander off to the like behind the drum kits. Like where are you going your the lead singer and sometimes you know they. They were unique. It wasn't like this wasn't big rock and roll this. It felt like an independent. Like just trying to do their own thing. Just you know. They all have their own individual personalities. All shine through. So you've been a loyal fan. Still Love Him All right enough. Rem Talk Okay Oh I'm sorry let's go back to the ram talk. What is this still on the list? Absolutely okay I it is. Yes one better than Dirk Commerce. It's number sixty one. Hey and well deserving of it. I didn't realize it actually made it onto the billboard charts number seventy eight which was good for an independent band number. Sixty eight is. Don't try to stop it by Roman holiday. Do you remember this on. I do remember the song. Did you remember before we were? I did because that's one of the songs were you your title and you immediately hear the melody. Alltel the lyrics that to me. I can't think of any of the other lyrics. It's like an earworm young sounds. It sounds like Sounds like Wham to me I was. I listen to a last night. I'm like Oh this is a song. If you like women will show up on your spotify. If you like Wham you may like hall exactly. I don't know do can tell me anything about the sun. No I mean made up to fourteen in the UK in number sixty eight in the US. Not a great song. Catchy it's she. It's I don't know it'd be. You can dance maybe like it. Sounds like we're kind of on my like wham songs more now. Knowing that we're George Michael was headed so I kind of appreciate those songs more So I don't know why I mean I heard this just like now. This is not for me you you. You're wait are you saying that? You didn't appreciate the George Michael Songs or whim as much back back in the day. No I had a reputation to you. Had a reputation he had to read. I don't know it was like no. You know like you listened to the wind. You just felt like a like a boy band or you know like this is i. I I think I like the songs I didn't I didn't love the songs or appreciate the production or what was going into the songs and it took me a lot of things over time. They held up. Or maybe it's maybe it's that that career is going to in the future that makes me look back and like. Oh these were good songs. Okay however you get there. You're kind of like you know Justin Timberlake or something like that. Yeah right so uber. Talented Michael I mean I I. I loved the music at the time but I have such a deeper appreciation for it now. but I always loved it and I loved Wam because it was catchier. Catchy Catchy your I think George Michael so low but then you know I wanNA follow my wanted to follow him forever and so I really. I dug a little deeper readily which you know. I don't always do and I just had such a such talent. Indeed okay so the one Roman holiday bit of Trivia. I have is regarding guitar songwriter. Brian Bonham Brian. Bottom is now a professor and chair of Russian history at Youngstown State University now teaches a number of courses in modern European history and environmental. So I looked them up. I if Y give them a call there it is. It's right there you. Can You WANNA talk about? Don't try to stop it well. That's that's very impressive. Youngstown is in Ohio in Ohio. That's really impressive. Yeah so he's doing that and I think Roman holiday is no more maybe reunion. Maybe they'll do their one song on one eighty stores. Maybe we should give them a call. Right now really can interview. I don't think he will be happy to talk about life. No but we can talk about European history. That's really impressive. Okay all right holidays. Roman hollow by the way is Roman holiday on this updated list. Well I think it's catchy enough to have stayed on the list. I'm going I'm going with. No that is correct is no longer on the list. I am three for three today. Good for you. Thank you good for you. Okay all right number sixty-seven send me an angel right now. Yeah right now real life from heartland as the band. This is a this was a double hit. Did you know that Adele hit meaning when they released it in nineteen eighty nine? Yeah Yeah it was You know it reached all the way up to Number twenty nine in in Actually it peaked in Nineteen eighty-four and then they re-released it and then it went up another three spots to number twenty six. Did You Australian? No I did not They sounded Sound like from the UK. I would have guessed that all kind of remind me of pet shop boys in a way the song. Oh yeah kind of I can. I can see that. Yeah you you've had did. You wasn't necessarily Your Cup of tea. This type yeah. Yeah it was not my cup of tea. It's I listened to. It's a decent song. Oh it sounds like K rock from nineteen eighty-three I could see why was played totally But I think number twenty nine on the US charts is probably deserved. You know. That's about as high as it should go. Okay if Davis creating the chart if I was carrying the charter. Is this on the updated list? It's definitely on. The updated is indeed number sixty. I am four. Look at you go. I absolutely would have guessed that it was ahead of Falco and Yeah okay okay. Yeah for send me an angel so there you go. Yay for semi lives on another van that lives on is Owen. D number sixty six. This is the song radio waves. Do you remember this song. I are you a fan of Alum de yes still am. I mean this is when I would listen to this like I played it like This song or no I played radio. I played radio waves just to remind myself and then I played it again. This is a great dance song at an actually when I was listening to like. Oh this reminds me of craftwork and then I looked on On wikipedia and they had a review of Of this of this this whole album the guy from an Emmy said once orchestra maneuvers in the dark. Get any place. You can guarantee craftwork where they are at least five years previously. That's okay nothing wrong with that. Oh but that but this album holds up and the song holds up its original work. I I love it. I really like them and angry. And it was a good follow up. It doesn't always happen. Yeah they and they continue. I think they still were and yeah. They're still playing around their do. Their eighty s eighty. Show Andy mccluskey and Paul Humphreys Yeah just great voiced in great unique. Sounds so this This oh empty song. Is this unique on the song. Still on the charts. I wanted to be but I don't think it is. It is still on the charts number fifty acres. That is very exciting super exciting. Okay good. I'm I'm glad I'm happy to be wrong. Yeah the has They were one of the staples of Iraq. Oh Yeah Yeah I guess. We never said the full name of the band. I know they go by. Oh md but it's orchestral maneuvers in the dark. Which I'm sure anybody listening to this. Podcast probably knows that. But do you know what? Rem stands for rapid eye movement correct. Yeah I thought you were going to tell me something else. I'm secret. Well honestly it means nothing. I'm going to say it's yeah what you how about. We take a break greatness okay. We've been counting down a lot and I've lost count so Let's regroup in. We'll be right. You've been happy with anchor to anchor has been great. It's been really easy. It's free to use great and they and they have all the tools I mean you can do it. You can record edit right on your phone or your computer super simple we record it and then we upload it to anchor and then they do all the work because of anchor. It's allowed us to reach out to a wide audience. And by the way it's free it is free and it's simple to download and simple to use so just download the free anchor APP or go to anchor dot. Fm to get started. So do it. Now welcome back. To what difference does it make moving onto sixty five? We got the beef legal tender as from whammy. What's your what's your favorite whammy bar. You like the Tremolo from the guitar. The whammy bar. It's yeah. Yeah like Surf Music. They always have that warmer. I don't know where you know. I he is just a fun song. A fun to say. Sounds like a uniquely be fifty to fifty two's word there's Winnie. Yeah did you watch? I like the whammy. Kiss TO RAJ PRESSURE LUCK. Now were they scream. Ami's Ami's there is always like trivia and you had hit a button and it would kind of determine what What type of question you would get but if you hit like this little red monster was called the whammy and that would set your your cash. Total two zero game show. Yeah don't you remember the screaming. No Ami's no AMI's no really I'll have to. I'll send post to post some raises. A great word. Have you seen anchorman? Yeah Okay Champ. Kind now the sportscaster. What was his. What was his expression? No it was who was gene tenace at the plate and Whammy. It is a good word around the purpose word. There's my whammy trivia. Yes and then there was a song. Oh the song yeah legal. Tammy yes legal tender. I thought you were talking about heavy equipment. They are so unique. I mean every episode. I Love Nineteen eighty-three now this guitar. And plus No Fred Schneider on this one. Usually I like Fred. He's a good embellishment but it was just kate and Cindy and that's your eight. They're both wonderful. I Love K Pearson. Who saying on a number of RAM songs. Yeah and good harmony a really good song and is it still on the K ROCK UPDATE LIST? Yes it is. It's a minor hit. It is it is number fifty nine some slipping in between real life and OH MD in legal tender. Okay I so I'm I'm I'm five four six doing well. Okay thank you. I'm still at a her right all right so now comes a bizarre song. This is number sixty four. Can we go back? Sorry go ahead. Y- There. Can we point out that they are also from? Athens that we have to band from Athens Georgia just in this ten chunk of songs. Good Point Yeah. Also from Athens. My small town Small musical town and go ahead on these tidbits Cindy Wilson. She's the only member who is not a vegetarian. Only member of the B fifty. Two's okay How about that. How about that about that all right so now we go to the number sixty four Jimmy. The Hoover tantalize Woo. Woo. Epa DO REMEMBER The Sun. A little bit may not proud of this. I probably sock exists. It sounds like a kid song to me. Yeah I saw the video like this. This looks like something I would watch. Show my kids like four or five years. Yes I mean it was fine. This was Malcolm McLaren. They were managed by Malcolm McLaren. So you gotta give them a little bit of credibility right. I guess he was all over. The he had his clean cut Jimmy the hoover he had his bow little temptress with bow and he had his filthy band with the sex pistols. All over the map he was. I guess the five maybe this was like super. Maybe he was. This was his trying to get like. Okay let's get the ultimate commercial. Yeah maybe that was it just blatantly. Try and let's try and do whatever it takes to get a hit and their only hit by the way it wasn't really I mean made up to eighteen in the UK head was Did you see it was produced by? Steve Levine. Who produced color by numbers? So that's nice connection for us. Yeah but this could have. I don't know it sounds like a baby shark type song due there was Whoa. Whoa a very good comparison. And not sure you've been kicked cut on as much as baby shark thankfully all right so less said the better. Is this on the update? Of course not okay. Let's set about the better. Yes my apologies Jimmy. The hoover I liked the name though. Is there Jimmy in this band? I don't thinks no there's assignment and a Derrick Carla and a flint flint. Oh and a friend of Mark Flint. Oh was your favorite favorite in the bathroom. It was the bass player but he was then replaced by Chris Cole. That's why I dropped the band after flint though left wasn't the same okay. So yes we know this is. This was not on the list. And so we move onto number sixty three pat wilson with buck girl. Yes yeah I don't remember the name Pat Wilson. I remember when I think Pat Wilson I think of the The drummer in Weezer. Who This is not because she is a she. She is indeed a she. This was As opposed to Cindy Lauper who she BOP. She Bop she bob. This was the bop girl I don't. I don't think it was it wasn't about what's happening around. Yes this is. This is just three innocent. Bopping around yeah. She was a journalist. She wrote Pat Wilson wrote for go set a nine hundred sixty s pop music newspaper. She wrote her column under the pen. Name Mummy Cool Yeah. So that's you know that this video for the song who started our did see that. Please tell Nicole Kidman. She was fifteen years old Australian. Did you watch a video? I did watch the video. Did you see her? Yeah absolutely she looks as I'm same. Faced does looks the same. Yeah she insisted yeah. I'm sure you saw the same information that the video can be used for a BBC documentary about her career and also in an American cinematic tribute to her which is kind of cool. Yeah you gotTa start somewhere. Why not be a music video? I Courtney Cox News right as I just saw. Pat was used the pen name mummy cool. I just realized that the song was written by her husband. Ross Wilson who is in a band called daddy cool so there you go. Yes and he was in another band called. Mondo rock all right but this hit with this song went to number two Australia okay. I think one of 'em award for best debut single. I mean that's something guy begin somewhere you do yet. I still do not think this was on the top eighty chart. I think the song was deleted browse correct. Yeah they're good. We have number sixty two. Can you tell me what it is feared mix? Love is a stranger correct. I love the song. Yes because it's the eurythmics Annie. Lennox sizzler. Wasn't our introduction to her. But this was one of the songs from that album. Yeah this I- favorites on the album. Oh Yeah yes. Did you like this on our yes. Yeah I like all the songs I it's funny I didn't get into the I like all the rhythmic songs. I don't know why I didn't. I didn't get aboard the Eurythmics bandwagon until I think a couple of albums and I thought it seemed like it would be a one hit wonder for something like sweet dreams or allow but yeah but they kept having bad like all these songs. I thought all right you know. I don't know giving them a chance. Yeah and plus you know any Lennox had this different look to her. Laurie Anderson. Then yeah. Yeah yes As a teenage boy. It just didn't connect with me at the time as you get older guy into college like Oh. My G is realized that she's super cool. And you can find a really good song or ten. Yes well right well. Love Love is straight. I think I'm sure she did the lyrics but you know I can into describing love did you. I I wrote down the lyrics describing love. She says it savage and cruel and it shines like destruction comes in like the flood and it seems like religion. It's noble and it's brutal at the store arranges and wretches you up and your left leg. Zombie and yes and I want you. It's an and I watch you so it's an obsession which is much better than an emotion ever said much better. Yes Oh yeah I mean that's just like you read that I'm like wow that's A. She's on it. She has her. That's good though. That's good songwriting. Right there describing love the way I would describe love. Yeah in a much better prolific way. Yeah Brilliant. This was the first song on on their Sweet Dreams First of all on the APP on the first song on the sweet dreams Album And this was the first single and it flopped and then yeah I mean made up to fifty four originally in eighty two and then came sweet dreams and then that took off immediately and then they're like all right. Let's try this is love is a stranger song again. And then it It made it up to number six that when you really believe in in a song you know. I mean to release it again. Not Everybody has to take that chance. They didn't have to take that chance. Had a bunch of heads from that you had you know sweet dreams with a big hit then okay well. This last song flopped. Maybe we should go on something else. And they didn't we will see the red mix Many a couple of other times on the in nineteen eighty three. Yes we love. Is this arms deal on the list. This is unless because I want it to ban list is on the list. Here's another thing. We will talk about sweet dreams later on the key. Rock updated list. They've added here comes the rain again. That's at number seventy six and is this. This was not here comes. The rain again was not on the original the original list but it is now on the updated list. This song this song love is stranger is at number fifty seven. Oh that's a good spot for it. It's a great spot all right so we will wrap up this episode with Song Sixty one. This is by this young up and coming Artist by the name of David. Bow about how you say. What LOUIS DID Belly David Bowie China girl? Good stuff Yeah so this was You WanNa talk about this. You WanNa take this lonely. Tell you a personal anecdote. Okay memories but it has nothing to do with David Bowie or Okay my love or passion for David Bowie. But it's one of these things I always remember and I. I don't know why 'cause I was. This is when he made you know. I mean this was a turn for him. This was a Hey went in a different direction from all the other stuff that we have loved loved. The hired now rodgers of chic to produce this album. He's he writes hits. Yeah this was. This song was released will was eighth was unless dance and I was in. I was in my first year of college and I would take a Spanish class and because at the time that I was going to minor in Spanish and I met this guy in the class who I fell madly in love with and the feelings were not reciprocated. I don't believe although I did. Here's a story I did buy. Here's a story within a story. That's what prompted me. I never had an answering machine on my phone Before I met this guy and when he said that he was going to call me I ran right out and bought one because I thought Oh. I don't want to miss this. Nothing ever happened. Nothing came of it except that I did. I did find out you still have that answering machine no but I I should have. There was no message from him on some. Why would I have saved it? I did find out later on that. He was a big Drug dealer and he drove he drove a corvette. He was like Falco. He probably like you said. You reminded. Me Of Matt Dillon Anyway. We spent our time in the Spanish class trying to translate this song. China girl into Spanish. Sing to just recite a few. Dasell is of blue. Can you say visions of swastikas in my head in Spanish? No good yes I would say photos days swastikas in an Amigos and Remmy soda has between my ears and my head something like that. You Bet yes. So so. That's my story about and I. Yeah so it all. This will always remind me of that. Money Iggy and David Bowie versions are quite different. Yes they are uses. You have preferences dirt. Well yes I love always version but yeah even I think there was some comment like Only only now Rogers could take with with the lyric visions of swastikas in my head and make it a pop hit right. Yeah I did read a thing. Are you familiar with the author Susan? Choi she wrote this Book Trust Exercise. It just came out it's Recently won the two thousand Nineteen National Book Award in Fiction. I just put it on my list of books to read centers around a group of Performing Arts students in an unnamed southern city during the eighties. She's child she's probably our age and phenomenal writer. But anyway they Pitchfork a couple of weeks ago. They asked her her favorite song songs. That that what is she listening to right now? And she singled out China girl and she said all the Bowie songs from the early eighties are very meaningful to me. Because they were the first ones that I really loved musically. I don't like China girl. It's one of my least favorite songs of his but that song is preoccupied me a lot but we had this incredible swab incredibly sophisticated almost knifelike presence and yet he's so gentle on the reasons China girl was and remains so confusing to me is because of its many layers at first. Listen it could sound really racist. And then after several listens it actually feels if Bowie is with incredible inciteful nece dismantling all the layers of objectification an orientalist and sexism that are wrapped up in the stereotype of the China girl. You can listen to this song and feel like either. He's perpetuating that stereotype or he's actually understanding it better than anyone else ever did. He always seemed like somebody who if you sat down and talked to him he would have listened and understood. I think it's very perceptive and especially from someone of that you know she. She's that heritage and to hear a song like China girl. I'm a different perspective than we do right. I wouldn't yeah I. It never has white boy in the San Fernando Valley. It didn't really resonate with me. Like she touches on his vocals. And like yeah you can kind of hear. That's why he connected with so many people it's just the way he presents songs and the description of him that she wrote before you described. This song was totally accurate. Like a knife but so but soft moving like that his presence. Yeah so macura it right. Yeah I know well that's why I read this and like okay. I mean I need to look into a book. I grew up here. Let her latest. Yeah I let let me know. O or listen to it. The audible might just do that. Oh that's right. You're digging up the owner baby eighties Music Trivia Quiz Book. Okay so you all the years all right so you are asking me. I believe I'm asking you so today. Dave is GonNa Answer these questions. Which of these albums by Duran Duran was released? First notorious Rio Rancho our world around around very good. In which year is. They're always favourite. Did Bonnie Tyler released the song? Total eclipse of the heart eighty-one eighty-three eighty-five see. That's funny. Because I was thinking later but it's a total total eclipse of the heart. Yeah eighty three very good good. Guess which one of these studio albums by Tina Turner was released? I break every rule foreign affair private dancer. I'll go with private dancer very good. You are three save. You get an a week long so far. Okay you have so far as even keep the which sung by durant. Iran was the theme music for a James Bond movie. Kill good who released the song. Dreamin in nineteen eighty. Are you talking about Blondie? Not I'm talking about Rod Stewart. Leo Sayer or cliff Richard Ooh Okay Dreaming Dreaming Dreaming with a like an apostrophe. Yes okay see. That's a good one because I was a boy. I'm going to guess Leo Sayer. Nope it was cliff Richard. Okay good good. Guests are wrong guests. That's not a good guess. Which of the three Leno Richie albums released in the nineteen eighties was released? Last can't slow down dancing on the ceiling. Lionel Richie Zie. You can't slow down with probably like eighty two. I Dunno like Eric. I'm going to guess at Lionel. Richie like debut. Maybe that came. I can't slow down and then Mosey other dancing on the ceiling. All right so. Dan Ceiling was eighty four. Let's go with dancing on the ceiling. I love the way you you break down. Very impressive. Blurt it out. Sometimes you go with your first. Sometimes we go there first instinct. Very good I liked the way. Break it down. Well I gotta look a novel thinking about dreaming and And Cliff Richard. Where answer to listen to it. Yeah right who had success in one thousand nine hundred? Six with the song breakout brick. That was everything but the girl isn't that sweet sister very very good. You are six or seven. Which sung by Madonna contains the phrase last night? I dreamt of San Pedro Luis drew. San Pedro looks less allows love Benita again like East Lab. Anita so you you can sing that in Spanish. Could if I knew the lyrics what was Bonnie Tyler's birth name. Ooh I will not know that. But go ahead okay. Anabolic Gainer Hopkins or Susan Bellion. This is just going to be a guest right. Would you change your name from Hundred Susan to Bonnie Bonnie? Tyler has a nice ring to a great name and book. Gainer Hopkins see if I was Anabolic Anabolic Anabolic Gainer Hopkins. Or I'M GONNA go with Susan. No it was Ganor Hopkins. She changed her from Gainer. Hopkins Hopkins is a great name in. You are huge mistake. 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Nthin' But a Good Time | Richard Bienstock and Tom Beaujour

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Nthin' But a Good Time | Richard Bienstock and Tom Beaujour

"Greg the great. Jim steinman as passed meatloaf bonnie tyler celine dion the hitmaker. I thought who. I thought who names her kid meatloaf and who changes their name legally to me love. Who names their kid meatloaf so i thought up thinking that was his first name. That meatloaf's real name was jim steinman but meatloaf apparently meatloaf is. The guy's name reggie. That's i don't know like like the edge. You give me give me some notice that you wanna talk about obscure names. Jim steinman. Hello is not obscured not talking. I'm not talking to him. Ruined paradise by the dashboard. Like all of bat out of hell is written by jim steinman or at least all of the hits from bat out of hell out of help too. By the way meatloaf is michael lee aday. What's ronald did. Not name him meatloaf a kid like wait a minute. We gotta live studio. Gotta live studio audience today by the way well tell the studio audience. How old was bomb our live studio audience. Tell she'll be just we'll have to remove her from the audience. If she continues to chirp she continues to beat belligerent. yeah. I don't have to take that come to her classroom and start dropping. Do tell her says that he doesn't come to your classroom. Start driving f-bomb. Well actually it's funny because if you think about it. I got to talking to a while ago during remote learning that apparently i dropped too many f. bombs and talk too loud so i had to make sure my office door was closed while kindergarten music class is going on downstairs in the dining room. It was it was a stern talking to it. Was you tell you. High following podcast is brought to you by road brewery. The best craft beer in the heart of leslie will find him at eleven. Seventy seven queen street east. That's road brewery. Hey i'm tom beausejour you're one of the co-authors of nothing but a good time I have was a music journalist for many years worked at guitar. World magazine founded the metal magazine revolver and did that for ten years and then founded guitar aficionado magazine which was like a a luxury itar magazine. Then also produce in record bands like not surf guided by voices. Juliana hatfield Things like that and that sort of brings us up to the press which beanstalk i'm the other author of nothing but a good time is also the tar world alumnus. Which is where tom and i. I meant twenty five years ago at this point you know. Throughout my time. There was editor managing editor of different magazines. Writer are still do it for them. Feelings for a lot of other publications rolling stone and billboard times and so on so forth i've authored or co authored. A few other books. I recently did a book called the decade that rocked with photographer mark. Yes which was a photo coffee table book of of all the same types of answer. This book I co authored. The urkel bain book that went along with the the montage japan documentary from a few years ago. I also play guitar. I've played in a bunch of different bands. I've played with some of the guys in our book. Boys in la. Gluons and i've opened for twisted sister and that type of stuff so it to live out their fantasy a little bit as well. I guess the podcast name. Yeah welcome to the music okay. You're listening to welcome to the muzak. Vervet welcome welcome. Welcome not so great to have you guys on your with us I wanna i wanna start off by like it was a great read and so many so many interesting stories in pieces of interviews that were strung together around themes of the chapters in discussion points and stuff. And so really. We're going to start off with is like how did this come. Because it's how did this come together. It was something that rich. And i had been talking about for probably a decade. You know the main thing is that we've known each other seriously since nineteen ninety six ninety seven in our favorite topic of conversation. If there was nothing actually important about the magazine. Maybe even if there was a to discuss was always end up talking about here metal. We talked about this. That like speculating about you. Know really weird my new show and stuff and we'd sort of bounced around the idea of doing this book at suddenly about four years ago Even suddenly but it just seemed like it was really time We both felt that we could sort of commit the the energy to it. I don't know if rich felt this way. I kind of felt this way that if somebody else had done this book if we'd been halfway through it or trying to get a book deal and found out that somebody else was working on it i would have really felt like a i. I kind of miss the opportunity of a lifetime to do it because it's really the music that's like sort of for better for worse like at the core of my being so for all of those reasons About four years ago we started in earnest putting together a proposal And it also seems. Obviously we weren't the only ones like it seemed to. It's at the same time somebody was thinking about putting out this cobra kai tv. Show you know with like you know. Almost like the whole soundtrack is kind of based on this music in. It's sort of the scene People simultaneously feeling that the time to examine this decade was now and so we we got to work and regretted it many times while doing the book but did in fact finish awesome as awesome. I wanted to learn to ask you about guns n. Roses because there are there a big part of the book Where the automatically included in the book because of the timeframe and wasn't a timeframe you're relocated. Arrear you're looking at specifically hair. Metal bands seem they. They don't seem to fit. Yeah well. they're always sort of the wildcard anytime. Even see someone puts together like list of the greatest twenty greatest hard rock or hair metal records. It's like well you know there are always the one that people debate whether they should be on it. It wasn't really a debate when it came to this book. Because you know. I think that they're so much a part of this scene. Even if they whether you want to say they transcended. Or whatever which i think is sort of a negative way to put it. You know in terms of other bands. Like the you're now saying didn't transcend that there was something you wanted to transcend but the point like roses became a much larger entity outside of the scene. But if you read the book you see that they are very much spawned out of this world and and more than that. They are very much like a part of it meaning like they are. They are really tight with a lot of these bands. There's a lot of interchangeability with some of the bands. And like axel is in la guns and tracy guns obviously starts guns and roses with him. you know their play is. He's playing in the band. London and mike and this is all this sort of stuff going on there. They're really friendly with the faster pussycat guys in there hanging out at the same places. So you know. They're sharing a manager with great white. Like there's it would be whether or not you even think that they're sonically. Silas typically the same as other bands if you were telling the story of the sunset strip and hard rock on the sunset strip in the mid eighties to not talk about them you know would leave a gaping hole because they are right in the center of it. And they're right. They're playing shows with poison and all these other bands so i don't think it was something that ever came up like we knew right from the beginning that they would be pretty central part of that part of the story and as we do discover in the book you know slash did audition for poison is crazy. And he did any any probably would've taken the gig at he gotten. It replaced You know paul gilbert from mr big And raytheon in a band called black sheep so there really was. They were crossing the street all the time. These guys. yeah. They just seem to be like the bad boys of of rock at that at that time. You know you talked about Having similar managers as other bands. I think allen evident in your book talks about. Nobody wanted these guys guns n. Roses what's what was it about the lifestyle at that time where it was to be to be whether it was poison or guns and roses or another one of these bands. It wasn't enough to make music. It was a total total lifestyle like duboc debauchery from sunrise to sunset. And in between. I think one of the things is that you look at these bands and maybe it's different from. How bands are today different from when i was in bands as well like these guys didn't have day jobs like this was full and a couple of maybe did some telemarketing or the snap. But this was full on like the life. And if you were going to do it especially if you're going to do it in la where there's such competition and there's just so many bands out there and they're so many people craving this stuff like you were doing it. Twenty four seven or else. You're just gonna get left behind very quickly so if you're not if you're not rehearsing or playing a gig you're promoting you're putting up flyers or you're doing you know you're finding your manager. You're you're making record like you're you're doing it all day and all night and so part of that is like there's never a part of your life that is separated from that lifestyle and clearly like the sex drugs rock and roll thing like that's that's the reason why these guys got into it. To begin with it's not the whole reason but that's going to be part of the of the life and so it's not like well now. I have to go to my job as a crap designer and all. I could eight o'clock tonight never outside of it so it's not it's not something you're dolgin like it's literally just. It's it's who you are like it's around you all the time there's also something about the size of l. a. is a massive city but the strip in. Hollywood is actually a topographic very small. So like you've got a lot of people in a small area and when when they're promoting themselves you know i mean they would go beyond with postering in plain the valley. But it's really a small very tight knit community of very desperate and poor young people. You know what i mean. So they're like that that's what they do they party there. You know who knows. If they're frauds lobes are fully developed and something that we've discussed is to come back to poison again. There's a story in the book. Where matt smith. The original guitar player from poison came out from pennsylvania with them. Goes home nominally. Because his girlfriend is pregnant. But ricky rockets and drummer from poison also says atlantic. It's almost like that's credit. But like he was sort of a normal person and he just couldn't hang like you know he could Poisoning or living in a warehouse at flying cockroaches with with sheets dividing their spaces in gangs outside trying to kill them and no money and for the other guys in the band like yeah. We're gonna make it. This is an adventure and he just you know for a for many people enrich of nive discuss. We probably would have been those people you get away. That was really what it took. You like this on adding like a well adjusted. Person might not be able to hang in that scene. Yeah yeah and that's that's a great segue. That's a great segue to what i was gonna ask. Which is you know. there's reality and there's legend right or myths or whatever. So how did you manage that when you were pulling together the book or did you just let it come together regardless of reality versus. Does that make sense. What i'm asking. I think that reality like whatever. One person's perception of reality is sort of becomes reality in a weird way and if people have different one of the great things about an oral history is like. You're getting all these different people. Talk right so if you're getting people talk about the same situation. They have totally different viewpoints on. What happened so be it. It's not even you just run them both at new kind of leave it up to the reader to decide like what's what's the kernel of truth in this And sometimes that. Sometimes i'd happened but honestly not that much like people were pretty. You felt the reality feels like it's it's real because people were pretty accurate in on the same page with what they were saying surprisingly so given what we were just talking about the way these guys lived in the partying in drugs and alcohol and all that like they pretty much remember what happened and they remember how it happened and that was like a nice sort of thing to to see. Because you didn't know if that was going to be the case So you could kinda let these guys just run and the great thing was like you didn't have to go looking for certain types of stories or digging for dirt. There is some of that in the book. It's not overloaded with that but the reality even just the day to day existence of how they were living in how they were trying to make it and the creative process and all that is is wild enough on its own that can sustain a book. You know be very entertaining like just just the story of how these guys. You know ascended to where they were. I think that that's what made this music sort of special. At at least two people like rich and me and also then in the end when sort of a when the pendulum swung a little more towards maybe like authenticity. Howard whatever you wanna call it like the problem is that when you talk about legends. We're we're talking the people who did this officer there guys in bands but they did create for people like me enrich and like millions of other people A fantasy alleged. And which is what. I keyed into it. Fifteen when all i think about is poisoned by the way for newly for like a month you realize it but like for me too. Big video was poisoned talker video and when when they just opening shot were like c c deville sitting there and there's a semi with a complete road is like thirty guitars behind him. And you know. The band's broken ami that i don't know how many of those are actually his doesn't matter and a you know and he's referencing rick nielsen But when i saw that video of this guy is a superhero so they were very normal guys but very driven but creating something that through. Mtv end the sound and the production and stuff was if that legendary than monolithic aspirational. You know and so what we wanted to do with this. Is you know. Show the people behind it because you may not end up reading your book and then liking. La guns or warrant but you will end up that the people behind the marketing facade were like dudes in bands trying really hard to to to make it happen. Yeah i'm curious. Was there something because tom you talk about this. The strip is a really small space What's been what's happening in. La at that time or on the strip at that time that you have all of these monster rock bands coming out of that that strip kicking that to rich. Because he's a he's that he's the full. La obsessive who the hell knows really all right now. But i think what it is and tom. Tom actually said this is like you know. La's the sprawling place but you have this very concentrated area which is the strip but you know the the sort of other meaning of it being that sprawling places that and a lot of ways. It's it's a suburban city and this music is kind suburban music like this is not even to this day you know where these guys allow. These bands are back out there. Doing really well on tour playing big places like tom. Tom and i are both new york and new york city type. People these bands. Don't come through the city. You know you go to jersey to see them. You go to long island to see them. It's not manhattan and brooklyn is not where you're gonna go see poison and cinderella doesn't happen even even today So the thing the thing that was great about la is you had the concentration of an urban area and you had the sprawl and sort of mentality a suburban area. And i think that that was a big part of it for this music. And then you combine that with the fact that like la i mean the sixties and seventies. It's always been in epicenter of of sort of the new thing that was going on and this was the new thing at that time But i think that that was really a big part of it. And you get a lot of the guys on the east coast saying that as well like the skin. Rogue is in jersey or you know cinderella guys in pennsylvania in philly. They're like you had these areas where the bands played. You didn't have anything. That was like the sunset strip. It's like you go play your show and then hop in your car and maybe you go to like you know white castle or denny's or wherever the party is but you have to go there. You know you're not walking over to the rainbow that's to Two doors down and then hanging out there for a couple of hours and then go to the roxie or whatever so they didn't have that sort of built in community the way that they did in l. a. Also remember back then. I mean you couldn't you couldn't do your band camp page. You know know you. Labels are in new york in l. a. period and l. a. is a much more like what you're saying if there were actual radio stations. That played this music. In in you. I mean i grew up in new york. There was sou which was seton hall university in a new jersey. They played this music. There was no major commercial radio station in new york city that played. You know this kind of hard rock. The other thing is in the the drummer from warrant says. This is like he when he gets to l. a. I mean he's terrified because there's so many bands but it's the first time in his life. He really feels at home. You know he's like. I am with all the other freaks who want like with the long hair in the earring from that kid from every high school in america who wanted to be a musician moved to la. And you'll you also forget. Like this is still a time know happens with skid row in the book it happens with with a motley crue where once they get out of the metropolis's before their famous like in there. You know denny's or white castle with long hair like you would still get your ass kicked for that nineteen eighty-four so it was a place that you all these people congregate gated to be with like minded people and record companies. Your atlantic records was like right down the street. The strip so yeah. It's much easier to get a guy from label come see you if you just a walk over for five minutes. As opposed to appease in manhattan and then has to go out to like you know somewhere on the island or something like. He's just not going to do it. Yeah you mentioned you mentioned motley crue there in one thing. I want to ask in the intro. Thought it was interesting. You talked about new wave taking Was a new new wave taking the fashion from punk. Think or something along that lines of the look in the fashion the big hair which would have been me back in that day from that side of things but i mean one of my favorite albums of all time hands down is too fast for love an feel from. I don't know if it's an influence i feel. It's one of the greatest punk albums. I don't know what you guys think. Maybe i just said something sacrilegious goosebumps because to me. That's just one of the best punk albums. I've ever her speed punk albums. I agree and like dickie six says it he says. If he's like the puckers loved us he's like the pumpers will again nikki. Six is a character in our book. Who's he knows what he's doing. You know what i mean like. He's probably heard he's heard the pistols. He's heard probably sham sixty nine. He's heard the dolls definitely. He's definitely hurt. cheap trick. You know he he. He and he he's manipulating I think the sound not manipulating makes it. But like he's got his feet on the gas in the clutch like with the look and the sound and this and that and even with the aesthetic of knowing that when he hires. Vince neal deals not like the best operatic singer. Make more. isn't you know Like some shredding guitar player. But you know what like if you play if you wanna play livewire like correctly. Not slow down like that guy. As a right hand it will accept. So he knew he wasn't about like shredding he. So he i think all of those elements that make you think like it's a great punk rock record which is like sonically. He was dialing that in your lucky and it was recorded for no money really fast. You know which which is another But the production is phenomenal. It's like i said it's like a perfect punk album. It's just so well done a there were a lot of surprises From me in this book reading it like one of them. Maybe everybody knew this by gene. Simmons of kiss wanted to manage van halen As as as they were coming up Were there any surprises. You guys have been writing about music. Guys have been in the space for so long. Were there any surprises for you. As you're putting this book together there are a lot of surprises Nothing necessarily comes to mind. I mean a lot of things. Come to mind. But i will also one of the things i would say that there were a lot of times. Where like tom or i after doing interviews like hang up the phone from the interview. It's like thank you for your time. Click you immediately. Call up the other person and you're like you'll never guess what i just found out you know it'd be like and it could be something crazy or could be like the most ridiculous little piece of manusha that that is not really all that interesting to anyone. That's not an obsessive. But when you've been listening to the stuff for forty years to find out this little thing about it that you'd never knew before is like sort of like mind blowing the gene simmons thing one of the things that was interesting is like yeah. The he's he's there with van halen and trying to sign them. And i mean genus talked about this a lot and probably given himself a little more credit than do gene does. But the interesting about the book and i don't know that i noticed it in until we were sort of done is that gene keeps popping up throughout the book. He does that with a lot of bands. He does it. He doesn't with kiel and he actually does work with them. He does it with tom. I can't even remember now. Cinderella della i think he pops up with war at some point like he might. Yeah he keeps popping up in wanting to work with people She's zeal and you would think that like i mean people would take that deal because it's like he's still gene. Simmons granted the mid eighty s. And kiss on what they once were but the band's actually for the most part don't i mean there's a scene where gene is that the The launch party for the decline of western civilization part to movie and he sees stevie rachelle singer from tough up on the screen and tough is not assigned van yet. There is still a local ban and he sees that guy and he's like a once again. He's being gene. Simmons he's like i wanna work with that guy and he approaches him or approaches them through a third party at the after party for the premiere of the movie and again like severe. Shell doesn't have much going on but he kind of knows he doesn't necessarily want to be working with gene simmons because gene simmons. That point is like fifteen years kind of out of his prime has prime comes around again but in the late eighties. He's not really there and sceviour shell is like you know gene simmons. It didn't really mean anything to me in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. He's like told me. Cc to bill wanted to work with me. He's like no question about it. I would have been there but you know so gene keeps popping up and he keeps getting pushed away by all these other bands. It's funny you say that. Because i think i know three bands in toronto and various events and concerts and stuff where jeanne was there. Has he wanted to work with them. So it's funny. You say it me. Many other bands. It's just like he seems to be everywhere wanting to work with everybody. Yeah the race stories. That surprised you or a story that surprised you. It was there. Were quite a few. The weirdest one for me is like at that. I'd really never heard at all in which is corroborated by everyone is like sort of the The photographer ross health and let me tell you how cinderella threw away. Their career do challenge. He's like he's ross. I wish like he's like this british guy. Have you ever watched the def leppard behind the music if you have a photographer. That's ross and he's like it was sort of in gomorrah and that's like that's sort of how he talks. Let me tell you have cinderella pissed away their career and so evidently a dead. They're about to do this. Massive european tour In in nineteen ninety one in there in england in the gulf war starts in there and tom keefer and some of the road crew are dislike. We can't go to europe. They're gonna bomb europe of and literally the entire cinderella. Can't after the second show charter plane and goes straight to from the venue to the plane and like flies home and it's basically when everything starts falling apart for them but like it's weird because they screwed i don't know how many european promoters in the process and and even they're they're in their managers like this is this is where it went south and apparently they it's their the reason they were so tense as they were supposed to be on the flight out of lockerbie but just weird things like that. Because like tom kiefer's like that talking about it and he even admitted like these little weird things like ban takes like this. You know. there's two forks in the road right there do a left or right and they go left in a weird way their career never recovers in certainly when the ninety start they haven't built a foothold in europe where they can go play there. You know an end. Sort of forget about america so there are lots of weird. You know very strange stories like that. I found that one for some reason to be absolutely fascinating that in that nelson did their whole video backwards like that. The the directors were like. Look here's what's going to happen. We want the snow going up. You know the way going to do that. is you. Have to learn to play the whole song backwards. And if you watch that video. That's what they did. They actually learn to play the chords backwards and mouth. The words backwards And drummer bobby. Rock has to like learn how to play drums where he's hitting up from the skins and stuff and like it was this incredibly arduous. Three day. Shoot you know to do this thing. We realize that that's how much money in sort of hubris just like bizarre. That was a perfectly normal ideal. Let's do backwards. Let's spend a quarter million dollars and it looks cool. Does it look but so that was another one where it's like. This is the most amazing thing i've ever read How important was mtv for this genre of music at this time. Like there's one does does guns n. roses poisoned cinderella. Like do they all pop without mtv. I think that they might but they don't certainly not in the same way as far as how important. Mtv was it was like it was everything away. Same way it was for you know a lot of the band like the new romantic bands and all this stuff but for the for these guys. It was just perfect timing. I mean the video that really breaks the door down. And there's a big section in the book about this as quiet riot come on field noise and you look at that video. There's nothing spectacular going on since these dudes on sound stage play and their song. You know but that doesn't and one of the things that we've talked about the band talk about is like they were just camera ready because you had these guys. They were all like super. Diy bands hadn't been able to get signed most of them. You know they were doing things all on their own. They were creating their own stage. Show their look. Yada yada yada especially in la where they're fighting against hundreds or thousands of other bands eyeballs. They're just doing this thing where they're trying to do the most over the top thing they can whether it's in their look their stage show they're playing these clubs like the starwood as if play madison square garden. So they've been doing this every night and prevent quiet riot. They've been doing it for literally. Ten years by one thousand nine hundred eighty three so when something like mtv comes along and it's like you know just put a camera on them and and press record and like just let them do what they do and like. You can't take your eyes off it really. That was enough to open up that door for all these other to walk through and then of course do much more high concept stuff like the next ban that really comes through twisted sister and they take it over the top of these story boarded videos but they all acknowledged that it was quiet riot. That was really the ban that may be without without that video. You know maybe the whole thing happens but it certainly happens in a much different way in. Go ahead tom not in the process in you know in his probably why we're talking about now to like the these guys become famous. Something that really happened. I mean it happens in the pop world but you know the guys in in nelson could not go there like. If there's one of us i could we could go to. The mall of the two of us were went to the mall together. There was going to be a riot. You know Decider is famous famous. You know these are people who sell on. They become full on celebrities. Just by virtue of the fact that these these videos are just on all the time in their faces are on tv all the time for better for worse it's also it allows them. That's reinvent themselves later but you know there was a level. It was a word stealing this word from rich because he used it once in an interview. And i thought it was really good. There was like this monoculture and so if you're watching mtv you're seeing these bands like you dial mtv. They're dominating that so you couldn't escape this. This was the dominant form of rock music. At the time you know so it was i think. Mtv was absolutely completely pivotal. in it. greg. And i have talked to a bunch of guests and we all talk about spotify. And how do you you look at the algorithm india. Figure out everything from you know when the singer comes into how long the song is going to be and and all of these different things and as i'm going through your book reminded me of that because there's something about mtv these bands and the onset of the power ballad. It seems that that you know having a power. Ballad song is sort of the the key to tricking the algorithm to make a ban or song successful How important was that for bands to break on through to top forty or more rotations on on mtv. It was super important. And that's actually a really good correlation with what goes on with spotify today and i mean obviously nowadays everything is sort of more data driven. But so like maybe you to do exactly like a ten second intro and then your course has to come in by second by twenty seven seconds or whatever may be back then it was going a little bit more on on by but yeah at some point people realize like if you make a power ballad you can. I think tom knows this better. Because he's used in in some of our interviews but it's a great quote in the book where he's who is someone who doesn't cc. Bill to someone. Yeah he goes he says it you is one of the guys in warrant it is and he goes. You want to do the quote that the void so that helps. He's like he's like your first single. Gets you a car power ballad. Gets you a house. And that's it's the truth back injury and it's like well you can either sell gold and be the opening act on a major arena tour or you can release a power ballad and go triple platinum and like the headliner and i think a lot of bands really took that to heart you know and so you have the power valid. Is this weird thing. Because it is yes formulaic and yeah it sort of i mean you can say it's sort of a crass you know sort of angle that a lot of these guys do but it's also dislike any of the band's these guys grew up listening to like they grew up on seventy s rock right so they're listening to arrowsmith and skinner and all that stuff and like those bands. They had their slow songs along with the fast song. So i think that it started from a more natural place where it's like. Every brock record classic rock record we listen to growing up had a couple slower songs on it so i think that's what these guys were doing too. But then like everything else it becomes. It's very specific thing where it's like. Well the big the big distorted guitars coming in the chorus and like everything sort of lifts and like they all start to sound the same a little bit. But i do genuinely believe that there was something more pure about some of these ballads than people really give them credit for and there was some of them that had nothing pure about them. But but the answer. I think it's somewhere in the middle of the truth is and i mean that was it was really. I mean also you have to remember how much money like. It's easy in a world. Now where like rock music. These metrics don't exist that you know the first of all. The labels are spending a ton of money these bands between the tour support and the radio. But if you can make a record sell four million copies like that's your quarter And it was specifically that you would in the algorithm was you to rock singles to establish credibility and completely alienate the male fans and then the third single if the record has legs is the ballot. And that if you're lucky crosses over to. Am radio and pop radio. And that's where you get the sort of civilians the housewives the girls everything in it sort of becomes this massive thing that said. Yeah you know. I mean there are like faster. Pussycats house of pain even like a elegant ballot of jane. There's some really great ballads. Which i think we're just Legitimately good songs. But it was. It was an import integral part of the marketing of these bands. And something that was held against them later. It's funny because i i came out of the funk side of new wave and into the the convergence with metal it's like living color or faith no more. I don't know if you know boot sauce up here in canada or not but You know even to the band extreme and there's been a time when we were on a conversation we were talking about the convergence of funk and metal and i brought up extreme and cream. All he could think of was more than words. No no one. No concept could ever bring up extreme in a conversation but we're also wanted to go as we talked about. No just one other thing ended. I think this is a really telling what just add to it. Richard saying veto brought to talk about when the children cry which was huge. And he's like seriously like he's just like dude. I was trying to dust in the wind. He's like. I didn't know i wasn't trying to write a hit single. We'd never had. Its hit single iding. You know that wasn't even like fucking in my mind. I really liked dust in the wind. And when you when you reverse engineer like oh yeah you know so. These guys had just grown up on bands. Did stuff too. So so at the so much Much music appear. Mtv down the us things are huge in Towards the end of the book by bringing in jerry cantrell and kim and others. It's like all of a sudden. This sound of seattle starts coming in and taking over like there were some bands like metallica. That cut through. But i mean it was. Could you talk about the impact of what that had on that group of bands. At that time. That i mean obviously that is where sort of the story end surly. Stop part of the story ends for for these bans But what we wanted. We knew we wanted to show is like of course the seattle thing happens in grunge in that in that plays a role in all this but there's no way that that is the the whole story and that sort of played out as true when we really went into this in a lot of the guys in the bands. That are our book. Talk about the fat like fred. Curry from cinderella's like well listen another factors like you look at what we were doing in ninety ninety one like a lot of us. Were doing our best work. And that's kind of true like you look at a lot of the bands that were big a few years earlier like their best albums are not in ninety nine. Ninety one before nirvana comes on the scene like they're still sort of changing and they're still in a weird sort of rock and a hard place moment because people that were into them in eighty five six. Don't necessarily wanna keep hearing the same thing. But then some of the a lot of them do want to hear the same thing and so like you can't you can't really please. Everyone continually and like people are aging out of it and so on and so forth but when the grunge bands come in at the beginning there's not this divide the way it happens later in end like you mentioned. Yeah jerry cantrell in there and kim tile like. They're not trying to kill these bands and they say much that's not their intention. They don't really. Why would they even care really what these other bands are doing. They just want to do their own thing. And jerry cantrell in particular like has a real connection to this music. He talks about loving. George lynch and loving warren de martini and he played in a band. One of the guys from pretty boy floyd and alison chains. Obviously were pretty glamour in their early days. Know tom i think saw them play with extreme around that time so the truth. It's all just hard rock. Like i remember listening to the stuff at the time and i liked all of it. But what happens is there. There's this divide does start to happen. A lot of it in the press and a lot of it you know and tom always points this out to and i agree with that. The one guy who really did have a problem with a lot of this music was kurt. Cobain He didn't he wasn't down with the homophobia of a lot of massage misogyny and he was more vocal about it and for better or worse he didn't want to be the figurehead necessarily of the scene but he was and when he said something like it's sort of stuck and there was definitely something that stuck to a lot of these guys that they couldn't shake off because of a guy like him and that helped to sort of you know push everything to the sides. I mean it's really a time and it's funny the very first moments that we were thinking about doing this book. We're gonna we. We toyed with the idea of just chronicling and trying to figure out the business aspects like the whole thing about the end what happened. Was it a conspiracy. Like and and jay. Jj french from twisted sister grape could the book where he's like you know since when is fucking people over to make money conspiracy. But i should've asked you if i could curse on his bike as but again. Yeah the interesting thing. Is that yet. These peten everyone involved with this. Music is marginalized a couple years. But you know the producers. The one guy who. Who's at our book. Howard benson like manages to sort of cycle out and after you back chemical roads and like the guys like bow hill michael actor. Tom warming people who've so tens of millions of records. They never get another call. You know in our guys who had signed these bands fans. Don't want to sign with them now. I don't want to sign with cinderella's anr guy you know. It's a complete total stigma to have been involved in the senior. That the thing in our book where brian foresight of kicks and kicks her. Like one of my favorite bands still today. One of the best live bands a band. Who had had middling success in a huge power ballad which is actually how they ended up having platinum record. but he's going on dishing for the wallflowers in nineteen ninety-three like gay for what she's totally equipped because he's like a really good roussy player and you know even though he he has a platinum record and a number nine single under his belt. He doesn't say that he was ever kicks Look like that would have been a deal. Breaker yeah It was this drastic cancelation. Like it's i don't know if it's ever app maybe with disco but like it was Ninety five ninety six nine selleck. We were working at guitar magazines. Rich and i at the time and these guys would been on the cover for a decade. It's as if they never existed. Like when i started in ninety four at guitar world can fail on the cover. Was you know maybe green day. Pearl jam and stuff like that and weren't calling red beach from winger to you know to to be on the cover in fact you weren't even putting him in the magazine because you didn't want to remind people did. That's what you had been doing for years before it was it was interesting brutal interesting. I got one last question. Or i got one in greg. Greg has won Near the end of your book you there's a talk about the the moscow music peace festival. And i don't know if you guys have come across the podcast kim out i think a couple of years ago We'd have changed. Or i'm going with this okay so it wasn't in your book but was there talk at all as you're researching the book that that scorpion song was written by the cia. Or if it wasn't what are your thoughts on. That was one fascinating podcast. Yeah what what are your thoughts on all of that well. I'd have to start by admitting. I did not actually listen to the podcast but i do. I am aware of it We never came across anything like that. My my understanding in the podcast is that they never came to the conclusion that it was written but by the cia. But i could be wrong about that but about the song itself. you know. it's funny. I actually had done a few years before. Doing the book i did. A whole like oral history of wind of change for rolling stone. wow And because the guys who do the podcast actually contacted me like they wanted to use some of the audio from it. I couldn't find it but in doing that like it when we went into this whole thing. I want to with claus in rudolph in like talking about that song. In how they wound up meeting with gorbachev all that it really got pretty crazy for them with that song but as far as how it related to our book like yeah we go into all of the. It was another moment where we were like. Okay we have to. We have to cover moscow. Because it's such a big part of the story of this music and cabins like right sort of you know when the stuff is really at the top in eighty nine but it has been talked about before you know and there's the wind of change thing and there's been all these other articles written about moscow and it's like how do we approach it in a way that tells it a little differently Which i think that we were able to do by talking a little bit more about you. Know what it was like when these guys went to the hotel and just like all this stuff that in a way it's like some of the smaller moments in addition to like the stage stuff and of course the plane ride is a great scene in the book too. Because we have so many of these guys about the craziness of that but it's like these smaller moments about like i think it's jeff labar from cinderella like dropping his pants in red square. And like you know one of the skid row guys climbing up to the roof of the hotel and like all this sort of wildness about just unleashing these twenty something dudes you know in in the ussr at that time and like just fact that this music was so popular that they could actually get there and do something like this. So i think You know hopefully. It gave some insight in a way that people hadn't seen before. I know that it did for me. Tom any thoughts. I actually think also that we were done with the book. I think we'd actually handed it in when the podcast team out. So i think that we. I kinda came out and said oh shit and the grad that there. I am glad that their conclusion is non-conclusive so to speak because it would be like aww shit now the whole world knows that it was a cia thing. And we don't. But i think yeah with with the moscow thing in with a lot of the stories in our book because it's people telling them what's interesting a lot of times the specificities of you know like like there was like like. Oh we all our food and we brought a chef and we brought all our toilet paper to moscow. You know Larry mazer when he sees. It's also interesting that they discuss it like really the rushing kids or the the soviet kids really all the only thing they cared about was ozzy. Scorpions yeah you know. They'd really never heard of jove your skid row or motley crue. They wanted ozzy in linked to a certain extent the scorpions. I don't feel that the scorpions that that. That song is beyond the purview of what they would come up with. Okay you know what i mean. So i don't know if they needed I don't know if they needed outside help but again like i don't know man. I absolutely positively legend. Yeah slowly so. I'm going to switch up normally asked about music. You listen to you. But i'm gonna ask different question. I'm gonna i started. Because i've played with number of the boys over the years i the first question is and ville the greatest band never heard in the us. That's the first question. The second question is what documentary. Do people need to see that. They might not know about about music. Let's see the i don't. I'm not super that crazy. Crazy crazy into invol- so i may not say this my first question. My favorite my favorite comedian band that no one ever heard was a band called the thirty nine steps. Were a punk rock band. Who had one song called I think something into the crowd that was in one and i thought that they were the band. That should have been like a huge punk rock band. The documentary and i'm going to actually be the cardinal sin right now of looking it up because i i don't want to get the title wrong but i recently saw a documentary about It has nothing to do with metal. The rock the there was a rock against racism documentary that combat like years ago. Did i just watched. It's about like the actual people in england who put out the fanzine and put out The you know in this whole thing together in and then ended up doing this concert in england that they got the clash the head and i saw that that was phenomenal phenomenal. Yeah yeah like this documentary. You're just like because again this when you think about the world of nineteen eighty and how anyone got anything organized. You know what i mean like. How did you do this before. The face spot instagram. But they're doing fanzines and their opening differ chapters all over the country and everybody's got their own fanzine in their own gigs and they're telling people how to stop skinheads from you know and then finally like you know trying to get to clash in like this whole thing. Are we going to get to class. Or we're going to get the clash you know again because at the march and then the down to the park and then the band hits a stage and just even the last few minutes of that with the live show is just again goosebumps. Yeah i actually just got right next because like again anything. Where you just see the clash destroy in that era Rude boy is a semi documentary but like all of those things that capture the clash at that. Time our If if not circumscribed to two documentaries watch anything any movie with the clash playing and and you will get useless but yeah that documentary is really excellent and very well done about. Oh sorry the canadian band. That should have been huge. Is the killer doors a lot worse. The killer. The ad doors we got. I love their record. The we stated like i love those killer doors records a dirty weapons and stuff like that. Was the ban that i never understood like warranty huge. Why aren't they opening for poison. Like i would've loved the revolves around. Yeah they asked the same question. Yeah it really does for me. Like last words i will offer as i shuffle off this mortal richer term. Well to answer the first part of your question. I agree with tom. Like and bill yet never did it for me. You know i watched. I did watch that documentary. When it kicked on it was great. Yeah they just one of those bands here. It's like you sort of knew of them. You certainly knew the name kind of new like you heard a song or two but like didn't know the whole story this. The thing was great. I'm i'm happy for them that they it's like ten years later and they actually. They used that documentary successfully to like continue on and have a full career after that. So so good for them. I i listen to them. Send watching that. But but i don't. I don't have any issue with people it was. It was totally for the question. Document documentaries like i mean. I watched a lot of stuff when we were doing. This booklet. probably watch the decline of western civilization one like five or six times unfortunately You know lately like i. I watched that go-goes one. That came out the beastie boys when they came out which are both grade. I mean anything especially at sort of new york centric to that navy's period is to school. The see you know the the footage from that that time in addition to it being a great story. And the beastie. Boys just been awesome in every way so. That's that's definitely one that i would recommend people checking out the. It's i don't think it's under the radar but nowadays it's like everything is sort of under the radar unless it's your thing so so that's the one i would point to us. I want i. I sorry. I don't have. I do have out but the but one other music documentary. That i think is amazing and It's a huge guided by voices. Fan is watching jumpstart the guided by voices documentary from like ninety. Six is another one of those like own it. I watch it like for pleasure and stuff like that. I'll shut up. I do also mention to that. It's white riot. Was the name of that rocking chasm. Yes oh thank you. The book is nothing but a good time. Tom rich. Thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much for having us. Yeah this is great. Take talk to you later. Bye stay safe.

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Whos Harry Crumb? | Paul Flaherty

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13:24 min | 2 years ago

Whos Harry Crumb? | Paul Flaherty

"Hi Welcome to the world in eighty movies. My name is Vince Leo. I am the author of the Film Review. Website take quips dot net. I invite you to check out over four thousand of my written reviews and read their anytime. Dot Net is where to go key W. R. Dot net. While you're there doing courage you to check out the link to my other. PODCAST is called the quickstart film review. podcast where look at new movies. That are out in theaters. Check that out at my website. quitter DOT net today. I'M GONNA we'll be looking at the third and final of the films in which there is a protagonist who is a master of disguise in comedy. I just looked at the two fletch. Let's films for my previous episodes. This one going off of a movie that kind of copies somewhat. The fletch formula in a certain respect came out the same year as has. fletch lives the second fletch film. And thus far the last one to been released. Who's Harry crime is the name of the movie I'm talking about? It is a film that came out in February of nineteen eighty nine it is a pg thirteen rated film does have crude humor sexual content and brief language. The run time is an hour thirty four minutes the main star of WHO's Harry Crumb. Is John Candy any pots. Jeffrey Jones Shawnee Smith. Tim Thomson Barry Corbin Valerie. Bromfield are also in the film. The director is Paul flaherty Freddie and the screenplay credited to Robert Conte and Peter Werthmann now. Who's Harry Crumb Before I get into the review I just WanNa say it is a movie I did see in the theater back in nineteen eighty nine being a fan of comedy and John Candy but unfortunately it is one of two movies in my entire life and and I've seen thousands and thousands of films in the theater only one of two in my life that I fell asleep watching. I think it was about a half power in. I slept through the entire rest of the film. I was his either something going on with me or there was just something going home with this movie that just loudly into sleep however I did obviously just watch it for the course of this review had no problem staying awake so it probably was just to be the film by the way is the royal tenenbaums so I can't say that the quality of a movie has an effect. WHO's Harry CRUMB? It's a very silly slapstick. Comedy in the vein of the I think more of the later half the pink panther films the ones with Peter Sellers essentially just straight up comedy where the most laughs come from how inane the filmmakers are willing to go to embarrass the Protagonist Protagonist John Candy here. He's had a career up to that point Wesley playing comic relief side characters or he ended up sharing the bill with other performers. But here he's getting into show but he can do in a movie that actually allows him to cut loose with his many comedic talents. His first headliner. I think in films you go back to. His early career going going Berserk but he made that movie while he was a nobody. Outside of Canada. Candy is likeable and talented. But it's just not enough to make this film worthwhile for anybody who's is not a die hard. John Candy Fan Uncle Buck released the same year later on. That would be the one that would break him through to the mainstream John Candy here playing Harry crump. He's the bumbling son who never quite lived up to the reputation of his sleuthing father and grandfather crumbs in the Chroma. CHROMA company his family's longstanding longstanding detective agency. Instead of running the company. Harry Chrome has been relegated to being a lowly trainee in Tulsa Office of Chrome in Crumb. Ineptitude is just what the EO the president of the company Elliott. Jason Play by Jeffrey Jones. He's in Los Angeles and he wants to hire an investigator within the the company for reasons of his own driesen flies out crump to Los Angeles knowing that he is completely inept in order to crack the case or not crack the case involving the kidnapping and ransom of Jennifer Downing who happens to be beautiful heiress daughter of PD downing play by Barry Corbin and his new OOF philandering wife. Helen played by Annie. Potts crump begins to use his penchant for disguises to get to the bottom of things but the more he digs the more in jeopardy he he becomes now as I mentioned this is directed by Paul Flaherty flaherty worked on. SETV with John Candy. For many years he was a writer for that skit comedy. Show along along with his brother. Joe Who is one of the players in front of the camera Joe Flaherty of course who happens to make a small appearance in. Who's Harry Crumb the direction in this film? I think in general enroll from flaherty is about as clumsy and awkward as its main character. You have set pieces edited in such a way that it's really hard to tell. Just what's going on from moment to moment so it's kind of a sloppy the film in that fashion and that doesn't hold together very very well the biggest draw of course to WHO's Harry Crumb is John Candy Himself Candy. Felt that this movie would be the a turning point in his movie career because until then he had very little creative input on the films that he made or the parts that he would play within them so not only would candy. Sandy here serve as executive producer. He was working for his own. Production Company called Frost Back Productions Frost back being of course the playful derogatory term for Canadians who emigrate to the United States. But this film would also be produced by. Candy's friend aren't in Milton. WHO had made a number of very fine films? Up to that point point he produced the king of comedy. Once upon a time in America in Brazil very high quality films Milton had worked with candy to ensure that the entire film would be remoulded specifically to his talents and that included putting in a lot of physical humor off the wall characters from to play and in addition candy would feel comfortable by working with other talents that he knew and trusted from his. SETV days candy here gets to utilize many of his comedic skills to try to bring out the comedy. Here bring it up to life. Plenty of physical comedies on display throughout some of it's quite funny such as when the klutzy crumbs gets his tie cod into this industrial shredder. shredder that he tries desperately to get out before anybody sees him. Can you get the Don a variety of disguises and put on some very interesting accidents. Although like many comedies of the one thousand nine hundred eighty s some viewers might actually see these examples of cultural and ethnic insensitivity of Hollywood in the era. I mean it's not a movie that probably probably would get away with some of the stuff today for sure now while candies sweet natured. Humanity does come out underneath all of those characterizations I think his main character is written anez decidedly one dimensional in that forces the big guy to Mug desperately for each forced laugh some jokes and the plot points they make very little sense here ear for instance we only learn early on. That is the one responsible for the ransom request. And he's hoping to use the collected money to lure the gold digging Helen who who is an amorous schemes but he is also shown to have this priceless ninety million year old pterodactyl egg in his possession that keeps on his desk in such a way that chrome nearly nearly breaks it several times before. Obviously he actually does now if he sold that egg. That was sure to break at some point. Any point all of this probably could have been avoided because he would've had the money right there. There's another sequence involving this air duct. The happens to be big enough for someone. The size of John Candy to crawl around comfortably in but air conditioning is also so powerful enough to shoot someone. The size of John Candy through and out of the building seems hard to believe here. But you kind of go with the flow for the sake of the comedy. The candy here surrounded ended by a very fine supporting cast. I would say all very appealing in their respective roles. I think the problem comes from the script itself from Robert Conte and Peter Martin Workman any pots does manage to give the best performance outside of Candy. She's playing the part of the scheming gold digger wife and giving her sex pot all. She's very appealing in this role. Another actress in this film. No more today for her recurring role in the future saw franchise Shawnee Smith. She doesn't get to do as much comedic Lee as Jennifer Downing Sister Nikki Gi but she does make for a very fun and appealing sidekick for olive candies shenanigans. Laugh out loud moments can be had in. WHO's Harry crumb but they do require sitting getting through quite a bit of mediocrity before you actually get to those things? The score here is a little bit dated a little bit cheesy. A lot of smooth jazz hounds on the funkier side by French composer impose your Michelle Columbia crumb does make better use of its soundtrack already established hits. You Have James. Brown's I got you that establishes the Funky good time. I'm that is sure to come. The fast paced holding out for a hero does punctuate one particular sequence. Bonnie Tyler of course provides that there's one original song by the temptations that ends the film in the end credits called Big Fun Harry Crumb. It's not half bad song. So long as you're not expecting peak motown at this point for this film and by the end of the film you you sense that the people who made this film thought that this actually could be quite a franchise but the movie was not much of a hit. Unfortunately in nineteen thousand nine debuted at number five in the struggle to find oxygen. There were other comedies. That were out at the time. Three fugitives in her alibi were fairly new to the theaters. And there were the continued long-term runs of twins and the naked gun that we're still in the top ten in theaters at that time. So all in all in its entire run. It only raked in about a little bit less than eleven million dollars. Candy himself was frustrated by Tristar. Pictures Marketing Push for the film primarily because he was very involved he had given him his own marketing ideas that included a variety of large billboard. Advertisements they were rejected by Tristar. They didn't want to put that much money into it and seeing how poorly their marketing only rub salt in the wound for candy. Who saw the film fail and he felt partially it was because it was poorly marketed by the studio? The obviously did not have enough faith in the the picture to promote it any more than they had to. Now I'm uncertain of what the actual budget a four who's Harry crumb ends up being. It was shot in Vancouver which was saving the film some money in taxes. So maybe it didn't take a big bath. Although they ended up having to do such things as pay for palm trees to be imported to give Vancouver at least a semblance of a southern California vibe reportedly there were some problems there with weather. It was one of the rainiest periods in Vancouver. In many many many years attempting to emulate the Sunny California California weather was even more trying because they had to wait for a lot of that bad weather to pass and that caused a lot of delays in the production now the appeal of. WHO's Harry Crumb as a film? Tom will largely be limited to just die hard fans of John Candy. So if you are that you probably have seen this may be seen it multiple times and you probably find minded very appealing because candy gets destroyed his stuff throughout maybe Scott. Some smaller appeal. For those who just snicker at really dumb slapstick. I know that when I was growing up my mother would probably have loved this movie but otherwise it feels a little bit too familiar after several. Better films starring. The likes of Peter Sellers as inspector clue. So that's iconic there the funnier interpretation of this formula that I just talked about in the previous episode. Chevy Chase's Fletch of one thousand. Nine hundred five I think was very much a good representation of how to do this film right. Candy is much better. Comedian and actor than this film was suggest and it does continue to showcase at. He's good playing fairly zany characters as he would so often do you wanna see TV. Nevertheless naked gun was as I mentioned still out in theaters at the time. And it did most of this in terms of the inept detective much better and in a funnier fashion and it was still out in theaters. I think watching that for a second or third or fourth time still yielded more laughs than watching who's Harry crumb trump for the first time so for all of that much. I really like John Candy. I cannot recommend this film outside of his biggest fans so to stars is the best I can give. WHO's Harry macron to stars on ice kilometers? It is lacking something vital that keeps it from being a film I recommend to most people and that thing is lacking is anything other than giving John Candy Candy more free reign. The plot is not interesting. And there's just not enough funny moments to carry the giddiness all the way through the film. It's funny in spots but not enough of the spots. Are there for me to recommend the film as a whole so. It's a misfire in many respects so to stars is the best I can give. WHO's Harry CRUMB? Well that concludes our look. Look at the films in which there is a master of disguise in the comedy in the nineteen eighties. But as far as what. I'm going to be talking about next week. Well I'M GONNA spin off from this film film. Would it be talking about another movie that actually has a detective just like who's Harry crumb. Who is a master of the skies in fact the most famous of all master of disguise disguise characters played by Peter? Sellers mentioned him earlier. This one is from the nineteen eighties. Even though this is a series that continued from at least it started back back in the nineteen sixties and it is the seventh film in the Pink Panther Series and the first one following. Peter sellars death consisting mostly of deleted scenes scenes from his previous films. It is trail of the Pink Panther from nine hundred. Eighty two in that will be my discussion for next week. So checkout trail of the Pink Panther if you want to keep up with the movies beans before he gets to the reviews until next time thanks everyone for joining me on this trip around the world in Eighty S.

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That Superhero Thing presents The Loki Takeover

1:23:13 hr | 4 months ago

19: Loki Episode 2 Recap & Review

"And welcome thought superior podcast. We'll goes to the latest superhero comic book movies and tv shows. I'm your host nick and joining me as always at macos. Don's me hello. you're right. Yeah nazi but my how a year. I'm good you excited about lewke. I am excited. I'm excited still. It's just a really good. No stranger spoil. It was like. I really good episode. Quite surprised rates low gable. How quick this is moving. Yeah and i think that's what a lot of people are thinking devote that we one division theory wasn't right like it might be okay. Just thought they'd throw in a twist somewhere but haven't safe has got to be there. There's too much going on this early. Yeah well that's what. I thought far too much. But we'll talk. We'll talk about that. What's going to locate also again. I know we're talking about people very quickly. The fact that they played anita hero after we on the human thing i was like known abated alabama was just i was out came on kind of wasn't i'm when we get to the news because you haven't seen one of the trailers that was but it was a bit like yeah. This is good book. it's getting old mouth. did a he. Man disney should've jumped on. Put it in this issue deliver so on this week's show. We got quiet. Lots of go through quite unused loads of marvel news this week guardians gardens galaxy. The game fell black widow she hulk spiderman and some thought news Dc we got some booby on news and the flash news. I feel like the flash should become the new justice league because a flash news at six months after the flash. This gonna be flashed news coming out every week. And then non marvel dc news. We've got Star was news. We've got the toxic of engineers does not been said in a podcast for a long time. You don't even know what it is. Do you want me. We've talked about this. You do now. 'cause i've never and then we've got some assassin's creed news as well after that will do full breakdown of episode two of loki titled the variant yet this week it was called and then at the end as we always do. We'll be discussing the listeners thoughts and theories and our thoughts and theories. We've we've in pod funds. Assemble the will be spoilers all the way through. Obviously when we get to the low-key breakdown that's going to be really spoiler heavy. We won't be doing. A non spoiler reviews the episode the speculation in the theories and in some of the news as well as always. If you wanna skip past any part of the podcast you can orchestrate to the review. We will post time stumps in the description. So let's crack on with the new so gardens the galaxy gardens the galaxy game. You've not seen the trailer i've not seen. I've not seen the trailer of rock like little bits about because there's people not aren't happy bit disappointed. Yeah the sounds of it. I think it's about kind of the gameplay itself by the looks of it you can only play stall. Yeah you ca. Only it's only star load so it's coming from square square annex clarinex tonight. You pronounce it for the same computer. Made the first avenger of the last game came out which i think. A lot of people felt was a bit disappointed. I didn't really like it. Had very mixed reviews. I haven't played only at launch day. Did you have very pointed. i just didn't like like the fight mechanic. So yeah it just felt a bit. Just wasn't wasn't great advantages. Gave me me now. can you get. How can you get that wrong to me. Yeah it should have been the big release. And i think it was. It was quite this point. Both it's coming this year so october. Twenty six this year okay. it's quite quite quicksand around the tree lab. Which is why i need. Hold out for hero the gardens the galaxy trailer. How's it on it as well. I'm of it like five days. Which is fine. it's always like it's just. It's very last time we had to be before. That was what to probably. Yeah probably yeah. Bonnie tyler reagan in. She's run around together like play under the trae life. She tweeted the other day just after topic. She tweeted the other day. Say do you know how many tweets i totally clips people always say. I don't know but it's brilliant so october. Twenty six coming out. You can only play followed and it's very different as well so it's very different. It's that weird point where it doesn't look completely different to the mcu so you just know it's different. It's kind of like the trying to take elements from it but it looks different for people to not particularly like it. Yeah if you if you get what i mean. But we'll we'll say. I mean we've seen some gameplay trailers for it it looks alright yeah i wanna comes out. Still sell loads to be black widow news. Good news for carelessness. We will begin in the u. k. Two days early so we don't have to wait until the ninth of july. We're going to get it on the seventh so on wednesday so same day as all the old days. Anyway when it's only going to be in cinemas on the seventh so on disney plus for the release. It's not going until the friday. So they're gonna they're gonna stick with stick with the when we're going to do our bonus episode. We are doing bernie substrata baquedano when we release. It should probably wait until the friday. Release it so that everybody can have seen the film before we yeah. I think yeah i think they drop it. Drop it over. The weekend will drop a little bit. Say over the weekend will will confirm wilpon and put on twitter and facebook. You weeks yeah. Give us chance to kind of figure out what we're doing. I was gonna. I was going to bet bet now like taking it all. Yeah yeah we we make notes we do. We do what we believe it or not. We do make an sometimes. You do more than i do. I do what if news. We've got more re- episode details from the aluminum body every week. Coming out with the different different episode and none of these have been confirmed et type. Let's hope the right some go to do so this time. They're talking about comores episode. And they reckon that the episode going to see gamarra's still being evil. Which i think we've seen some pictures of thanos style lama. And she's going to be acting as an assassin and their targets. Tony stark hope. Maybe he's been more haunted stock. There's no details on. Why why she's after him or anything like that. We've never really seen them to interact now so that should be quite quite interesting undependable when it sat as well whether it's like the days days i among when he's still a little bit cocky. Yeah i'll be. I'll be quite interesting. I mean he was still cocky all the way through. He was but he was just more arrogance about of the beginning. Yeah yeah like. I am on one or two level and tony stark. Bobby say she holds news so we had some news last week about jamila jamila legit meal playing the villain and now the the direct report in the hoax sewn skoll will be appearing in this series in some in some way. They don't really have much more light on it than the so in the comics in the planet hulk comics holck not bona hulk. Because he's whole the whole time. Yeah he has a child while he's on cica whether we're gonna end up with a similar situation the mcu so like hawk hawk was born when he when he was on cigar. Essentially it just sounds. I hope i don't know time time goes differently insecure as well. Yeah without going into much detail adjustment. Logistics i just didn't know what i mean. It's a like the fact that we're we're getting scar from the comic's bought it. Seems like silly about word. It's like we got a and now we've got hoax cousin. He's got hold powers as well. He's going to hold powers and i'm going to have hope soon and it's just a bit. Is it just a bit too much. Yeah i mean it's good like like getting the models we're gonna have to hold exactly the brady bunch style with all their faces laden vow obviously obviously story going anyway. Moving swiftly spiderman. No air news. Kind of news On monday sony. Pictures argentina on twitter released a short teaser. And it was basically just the argentinian. Tinian version of the spiderman. No home logo like zooming out with the spa. Music playing over and then. At the very end it glitched and it was a very very similar glitch. Look and sound to spiderman at the spot of this so everyone's all over it saying this is our first confirmation and the fact that like an hour later. They removed the tweet. Yeah which makes you think. They shouldn't released at the early. What i think that it's i don't think it's accidental no. I don't we'll we'll sony. Brazil released eight then again. Their version of two liter. Nas- i okay. Yeah and the glitches bigger different. It's not exactly the same. It seemed like a slightly longer glitch. But i mean. I think we all if if this isn't spy drops it just guide then that we were expected. I'm what when is this trailer mean. It's in six months less than six months. Yeah we've saliva teaser. Because it's going to be. It's going to be six months tomorrow in it is it. Yeah it's wednesday the sixteenth today show okay seventeenth of december. So i didn't even know that knowledge anew anew in december of interesting maybe we'll trail mark maybe maybe because the definitely buildings or something yeah. They've got away. Wouldn't it be great though if this was just. They just didn't give a trailer. It'd be weird it'd being noyon bowl does it. I mean the purpose of betrayal. There was the market the phil spiderman three need a trailer or will people just go and see it or can we just get away with little tease like that. Like what they've just released. They could release that in the cinema. They could release as the trailer. And i don't think get any less people. Go go into watcher because everyone's in everyone's into the mcaa. only so. i didn't want to look to be just imagine is a trailer that where it's like you just see the backer spiderman and he takes the max coffin and someone goes. I recognize you something along those lines. It's like boom sons going. Yeah i think it'd be good if the trailer or whatever. We got just teases the fact that we might be getting. The tobin under doesn't confirm we don't want to see. I don't wanna see even the drill. And now i don't. He's the might even tease that. They probably all coleman just so it so let us now and then just be completely. We see him for the first time in the movie. The be brilliant thought of and from the news so some official promo art leaked this week. I was a crew member t shirt that they've all been given when the when the film. I think it shows you thor in his new costume valkyrie. In coffee look very similar to what she had enrolled in iraq. And then what we. What looks to be jane foster as the mighty soul in a costume very similar to the comics thought we knew it was going down that route anyway apple again. It's just feels way. That is actually happening. Raji jane foster's little. Thanks i it's going to be that good on the that was taken to the costume. I think it's nice. They're not departments. Get a chance as well. Yeah because she always she wasn't in ragnarok and she didn't really basically she's only been in the shape one so far the watcher so popped open any like the avengers anything like that now. She's basically been in. Probably the two worst marvel movies are now. So that's why. I wanted to have a moment if that makes as she's not about actress now but i don't think she's been given quite the opportunity as of yeah we said there's all the way through the countdown. Then we ought about actress into our and again not even just the fact that she's in these knock great films the actual the lines that she'd been given the direction she's been given me kind of quebec shit. Yeah so to actually see you in this with taika direct. Then it's going to be going to be brilliant and then we've got some more news car seen us kind news. Tyrese gibson has been doing some interviews with the rest of the fast and furious nine cast this week because it's all again. It's marketing everything sounds. Yeah fourth of this month. And he did. An interview with brandon davis from comic book dot com young brandon. Basically asked him is the moebius satin the mca anti-research. Yes it's just a sad said it throws out there. I just kind of like nodding yet. it is. it is so i. i don't know how i felt about that straight away but then gamespot apparently got into sony said is it. He said no. There is no reason. So who's wrong. I dunno it does. Maybe i don't really want it to be but then why have we got my looking in it. I mean to be. I think i'd just like laugh. I i'd probably say that's just find their niche. I just don't get the impression news i know. This sounds like a complicated question smiling. Just modern boys spy movies. Yeah yeah somebody. somebody said. Every is batman in the movie and the last mile kinda malls on us as mainly disney plus news. So it's been confirmed by the hollywood reporter today that wednesday's really now all going to be the new fridays on disney plus and all the of disney's original content tv series will be released on wednesdays now and not fridays. Bolt movies are still becoming out on friday. And it's to sort of separate it from. Yeah how fail about it. I like the fact that we get things a little bit earlier. But then it's only really the first episode that makes it because we still wait till the next episode but it's pretty much off the back of low key. Being the most watched season premiere disney. Plus whether that's because of kosovo wednesday or whether it's just because it's low key and everybody posing for we. I mean we all knew it was going to get kind of the rate ends so i don't particularly think that the day will it change it. I don't know whether it's see. I can't even say for definite. Like i would descend from our point of view. It might be because a things reason on the lockdowns people going out a little bit more so they were changing it to a middle of the week. Yeah because however it happened in america there so i don't know whether they about the same. Are they think so. Yeah because i thought they'd been kind of easy in sooner than we had pretend yet. Potentially i don't know it depends on where you are in in the us bought. Yeah i think that going to have to deal with the fire. People began to normal life in the beginning on friday and saturday. And they don't wanna be. I've been looking to book a table for food on a. You cannot get anywhere from friday to sunday. It's become a nightmare. So yet though the they're onto something boy. Yeah we'll see see how it goes. I think the next series. I think why it's going to be the big ta. Because i think it's it's like one. Division had not anything for ages now have no model no content frazier's falcon the winter soldier. Big name big name anyway. So there's one division straight off tobacco one division scott wasn't everyone was really excited about exactly and then you've got loki. Who was just going to sell it yourself. But then you're going to get to if and i think. A lot of non diehard malva funds aren't really gonna know what it's about possibly will be off by the factor animated. Yeah to a degree. Show the their darby the big towel and it could potentially go and look. Fridays book will say the the way we will We'll try and keep the with all the date changes so on some dc news then the flash news as we always have we need we need to flash segments on the podcast because it's always washington's every week so last week and the michetti shad look at michael keaton logo on the eighty nine batman suit. And now he's in the same with the flash logo which we reverend look iran. Yeah very different to what we've seen in the justice league because of justice will play in. This looks a lot. More fabric is not a word. It looks more. Tony starkey it does. I think it's i mean i said to you before they look at it but it looks like the spiderman suit and the suit the baby it does a little bit does said it was a baby suit baby soup. Yeah yeah. I mean. I like it. It's difference of what we've had so far. But i suppose it's it's cool and more intricate. Which if they're focusing a little bit more in detail and stuff. yeah. I'm quite like and that means that the story will be good. We can only hope very tedious lingo. I mean like the taken more time into into getting things right. Yeah potentially that's what i mean. Sorry i feel like that. There's a hard focus on getting it. Right yeah in general need to at this point. Yeah yeah hopefully. I'm hoping that if they're going into that much detail with the suit then they're going to be going into more detail with getting every other part of the film writers we'll get it's going to be interesting to see the like in live action in the trailer. It looks to me like it's like all circuitry going into the into the suit but we'll say there's no room as well from the illuminates when it comes to the flash dot gronk allston who plays a flash in the series making a cameo in the movie as well as remillard other cameo in the flush flash. Did you know this now. And i think there's like i don't in the clip. There's an one of the episodes at the end of the series. We're kind of like a multipurpose. Yeah episode of like the whole like our and flash and the all came together. I did hear about that and he just unease like traveling through late different dimensions and all of a sudden you just bumped into miller perfect looking at each of the like what the hell is not thing lavar interesting. If he ends up that again i would imagine it. Probably just yeah a very very calm airport. Yeah because say blue beetle news. We talked a couple of weeks ago. How warner brothers development blue beetle movie and it's still on thermometer cancelled or anything like that but the los angeles times report and that the movie is going to skip cinemas and go straight to. Hbo marks. I am partly what the is trying to trying to still make movies about like mid level superheroes dot that. That's the words that los angeles time us. Yeah and rather than sorts of putting them in the cinema. They're gonna put them straight to. Hbo mark so there's a rumor that the bad girl movie doing the same. But it's like back in the nineteen when it was like straight to vhs. This isn't it it is it's like it's like much faith in it so we're not going to pull the money in the mocked him behind a lot of people seem to be not happy about because i think a lot of people are looking at the. It's going to be quite a diverse movie. Yeah and it's probably the first big diversion movie. That dc of don't yeah on the walking straight on hbo marks. I think people are a bit. It's understandable why. I don't get why i mean if you're gonna it's gonna cost you're going to put lows marked and into any way if it's on. Hbo marks why not just release it simultaneously. And just give it a couple of weeks. Senator and see what happens if it david dies. Adapt then just pull it to know what i mean by the sounds of it. They're only potent stuff out for forty five days in cinema now rather than the normal run. So you know what six weeks. Yeah just do it. Simultaneously make similar. I know they said that they don't wanna do the offer sultanas and they're gonna have the cinema and then the forty five as people wanna make it. Just make it make it simply put on. Hbo marks on both. But anyway i feel aquafina change. Stalwarts news witness stall wasn't for the awhile now so the direct a report. In the forest whittaker and ben mendelsohn both brilliant are going to be reply reprising their roles from run as saw and in chronic in under which is filming our. That'd be good. They were brilliant. Ben mandelson it amazing. Yeah everything literally. Everything is in each just like such hikari towels and he's ready player one as well and rogue one as well so i'll be. Ah it'd be good to see them back. The toxic avenger. Which anthony haven't heard of until i mentioned it earlier on detroit. I think the company's trauma and he did like really like proper b. movies. I okay see move us. He's basically about some some kid who ends folded toxic waste hours like looking like a monster but becomes superior alphabet the remaking so it was announced last year pita includes is going to be is going to be the toxic avenger. I think he's called on the cartoon. And it's just been announced that kevin bacon during the cast of the main villain mays which is brilliant piece that includes yeah but he was also in an gave money he was so. Are we not because vendor. The did you think was mca. The no no with a band called. Sorry i just thought it was like a thing. Okay no nineteen. Should we add it as i know you know. We weren't even on the mighty ducks devastated. When he's still red frigging anyway. Assassin's creed so we already know that since creed series net flicks which is good. Because the movie was a bit crop. Yeah wasn't terrible but it was just average. Yeah very average. So we know the series coleman and variety reports and they found it writer in gyco jeb. Stuart's so he's recently wrote a spin off of the viking series for the history channel but he's previously wrote die hard on the fugitive ally decent in a bigger big films big popular film so quite interesting to see what like a big name can do with with something like that. Because i don't think not. The nautilus taken away from any of the rights netflix shows. It's quite. They're all quite like young. The have about word. June mean like very recent and there's a lot of them getting like the first the first goes so it's gonna be quite interesting again because ice have diversity. Yeah i mean. I'm looking for a like this screen games. I've played the last call. Because i really enjoy it ought to say. I didn't play out to see that i liked. It was different because you could. You could talk from ireland thailand and stuff like that you get the use of ships and things which is pretty cool. Okay so it's just like a stop being kinda same same because it had been for quite some time by that point name. This was kind of a big big change opinion. There was a bit more of an apron. Wealthy type. I'm looking at the day of the series and whether the just like start from the beginning with with like it was the first one wasn't that at or was the second cotton of wounded of i think i think they in the movie. These went back to the first game. Didn't i was thinking. So there's been so many so many different time periods. Yeah maybe they'll have them jumping between different ones trusting for the news this week. Should we get onto lucky. I am so looking for about loki. I'm going good so low key absolute to the variants as we said daryl spoilers votes boy this spoilers from now so if you watch episode jets polls yet pos podcast go watch it. Come back on back. So we start in wisconsin nine hundred eighty five and it's got to renaissance fairs or a thing. I go. I thought we saw the air and i was like medieval times actual because in in the states it's still used to be. That was years ago. So you go to a place called medieval times and it's like a restaurant and you go more like people address joust and they they do it in general anyway because it was in role models as well it walls and so i think i think it's like actually a thing that they go in have like a renaissance fat type thing. Yeah i know what you mean. Enrollment will when the little bit fighting. Digress we've digressed already both agreed show up looking for the variant on the truck in the truck and it is his. It's let's call the. She's like even the wrong outfits. We need this so the tracking the virus anyway so the endel this tent and it looks like it's kinda visit trump isn't it and that's when it becomes like properly medieval times it's like it's like a theater tens and it's all setup for a performance allows vehicle on and then that's when holding over here comes on. I would've already head into aside. All this is amazing but it was a bit like not again. Also i couldn't stop thinking about star wars because of the it's a trap. It was just fast thing. She sat knows like so. So this hound. I had to rewind couple times. Because when i watched their i thought it was the leader of the minute man who likes her face and put something on itself now and it was. I realized that the coming home on sort of like touching around the hat. So i think that leader the minimum is because we say on the episode. See twelve thinking amos. So we're gonna call us see twelve for the rest of because you've all got one larry number of only twenty. I don't see let's see twenty. Okay i'm gonna call see twenty that c twenty four so the variant which is run the possessor and it looks really similar like i won the was doing it with hogan. Yeah everybody in age of all trump on. Obviously when it. When i need it starts playing so the possessed seat twenty basically takes out or of the minute men the and then i think she passes out and then that's when the various steps in like takes out takes the las blake propaganda. We find out later. It's not just passing out. It's it's a power in the senate off she was. I see as she is actually entered the no. I don't i think because she's still in later on in the shirt later on in the episode like at the end of this we skip around belay on those at the end she is still doing. Lucky says komo fight me coma. Fight me yourself. The and the guys is being and the guy says shit to do. The athletes sushi's not ended them. She's like it's like she's still doing stuff self and she. She's managed to possess them and still go control over them at the same time going into them. I thought she was in the. Yeah because in the tent she was find. The variant will pay lady loki. Because you've watched the episode lady. Low key was fighting on the minimum and see twenty was fighting to both at the same time. So it's like some sort of like it's some sort of possession bowl she's got she's control of our own bodies national rejang shimbun inside the consciousness of the samsung located. Yes let's go with the okay. That's why you're on the podcast anthony. So she kills the last minute but anyway she takes the reset charge and see twenty hour. Whatever name is and then she takes the door control the time control and jumps through yet time to israel and aim for them time doors. That's what i keep calling them. Time does with. That's what we'll call them in town does. And then that's when we get the we got quantum leap does clinton and then that's when we get the card. We move to get loki silent at movies as read on the jet ski magazine. I mean what about going from so. We jet ski magazine on he is. He should be listening to miss minutes but he's not. He's reading jess kazeem. Basically mess minute been our. The screen was brilliant. Thought to be the ground no what she is even says. What are you are you. Are you a message or are you aware if you sell for yeah. She says kind of both both on the opposite sides. China's hakka kinda uses to give us. There's a couple of moments in this where it's like the train and loki sort of idea. Is that give us influence. Train and trivia was so we find out through halley test and loki the if a nexus event so if basically one of the branches off the sacred time line goes passive red line porno things than the tv tv hard reset. It and miss minute says ed. Destroy the sacred time line and basically the whole world into chaos. Would it out in tomato. This is what she says. I don't know what i was just saying that 'cause i was getting excited strangeness. Sorry our already already. Though she's she's. I'm not sure a believer because she's saying like will completely right back the universe and stuff like that bull. We know even from the training video. That happened already amazing. The was a motive s. There was a multi vest probably fit billions of years and they basically brought by the sacred timelines. So why would this time keep his it just old now con con keep. Maybe it's lies. Maybe all the lie so anyway moebius comes along and he takes him away gives me variant jacket which he doesn't seem particularly happy about that. He's got big. Big orange vary on the back and be fifteen so she basically sets out what the what the mission is that. He's going on this time. So they're gonna go to wisconsin because the team have been attacked. They know it's the variance because of the energy signature. But this is what he says. We don't know what kind of low key is. So we know it variant. But we don't know what kind it is. Yeah and straight away. It makes you stop. Can walk walk while the different types on the moebius saw explains the is pruned. Because these were pruned a lot. This in this episode doni which is basically the baraka stack of the cold cuckoo. Profound bracha staff. I prefer the state's called the prisoner by get it because it's branches in the prune leaves off to figure that out fed third ruining humanity. Yeah exactly so. But he says that. The tv's prune loads of these guys almost more than any other variant and then we see all the different types of all the different kind of made me laugh though really so there was a there was one that looked very very similar to loki and then there was one of loki winning told from in asia. There was one that looked like this massive monster. it was like an ogg. Hope the whole goal type thing that was born. That look look real rather than being those one who looked like like a dude in sunglasses that looked like trevor soon as trump was one. That looks like a viking type thing which it looked a lot more heroic the need for any of the acts as well yeah. I should've paused with anything. Like stone breaker for so the couple questions out of this are firstly who has had more variance loki. Because he doesn't say it had various anymore. It surprised me straight away that he there's been this many for what we know. That shouldn't be that many bore who possibly have had more variance and lewke. It must be a concert throwaway comment if he's had that many different variants that they've had to go that they've they've knocked themselves out at the time line that they've let's go fix will the only thing i can think is that with the being the whole. You can't use magic in the tv. Is it the kobe because she lands how to move here so if she does and she's getting chased by the tv. I difficult america chavez. Maybe all strange. I've i i feel like i don't think it will be strange. I don't you think strange noses. Tv yeah do you. i do. I'm not convinced on. Yeah no. I don't think any of them. Although the ancient wanted to talk about the price timelines didn't yeah. Yeah maybe she knows and she didn't shot to find out soon the amway so that'd be interesting to see who had more the other thing is i think one i think somebody pulls on twitter. Who gets puns assemble asia. And i was thinking the same thing. If there's no multipurpose open until this point why they're all different visions lewke if we if there isn't a multi best because then Yeah because if there was only one sacred time line how could they have. I mean if he has only existed ever the if there's only one time line now low he's from frost giants up until his death of the van. Grace oh what they meant by that. Is this one sacred. Time line universities. Nope was multi multi verse would be. There are different places of wagga wagga and told. Hey though isn't it and told say time line now and that. So i sorta meant that there's one sa- say like this. Say this five universities. Let's just down this title. Just one straight line for each one. And i thought this branch enough meant that they could then crossover multipurpose multidex. No so that says. The only thing i can think of the time keepers don't exist or real or i think we'll get into it. I'm or is something else entirely either. I just don't see how it could be like. I think it's going to be like fear conspiracy type thing and then they're going to find out that everything that they've all lack towards is the push quayle online episode like what you believe in stuff. So yeah so again. I think the fact the show early on those light. Leauges think there's going to be some big massive twists lay on the episode. So another thing. That happens irish war. Which i think is more to is. Loki explains the moebius the difference between illusion projection duplication kasten yet on his art. Rc about and he's like oh you're in benefits so he's basically saying illusion projection is basically just you kind of like create a hologram out. Nothing and duplicating cost as you can see like we locate. Make a copy of yourself. That thing continues your jenny. Sorta like jump off like he does in at the end the rock and rock when he goes to the alarms and stuff and i again. Don't think that's just a throwaway comment. I feel like these told us about the made a big point of the fact that that's what he can do. Because that's going to be something that you can because he's gonna come up. And i think it happens in this episode do yeah. Yeah in the episode. Jack and he might try and make himself look like the three timekeepers. No i think he's low low key. I think i knew he was skipping around. I think when we see loki. John through the door the end of the episode. I don't think loki juncture the deal. I think he's is off somewhere. Potentially that you took its trump in through the door so that they think he's got away with that haydn think but maybe i'm wrong so they then go and do the duprat for the mission again. Loki asked for a weapon on moebius basically says pretty mentioned that if if he does things right and he's like he's basically then he might potentially get an audience with the time keepers and it saw the salt lake dude. It's trying keep him intrigued yet. Yeah tonight and eighty-five loki kiosks. Wide interest travel box before the attack happened which is really good point. Maybe it's again. It's sort of like imposes. Knee says that once side happy wants the time line branches off it becomes destabilized so you have to say the visit in in real time we also got reminder again at that point again more like little bit of info that i was to what the reset charges do so they basically pre again prune anything within the vicinity. That shouldn't shouldn't be that basically two time line. And then the end in this tent on loki traffic stole them and trick them so he says like it's a trap and the variants wayne outside. Yeah and i didn't know this was going. I e says he wants an assurance that if you help find the variant. They're not just going to him. Kill him because he's done his job and he also says that she's going after not overseas because there's no bought the various stages going after the timekeeper. So he needs me with the timekeeping now. The and instantly like you're talking about your. You'd lie your lie in trying to a lot so it was so they basically just end the breeze on the time line and going back to the tv and then this is probably one of the bitter the episode. Now that sort of hard like some of the biggest questions for me. Because it's when moebius goes to rivonia office on starts. I mean straightaway. He's like all this office offices looking brilliant and every it's always difference every every time i got an east late and you still come from whereas the snow globe whereas snow globe. Come from and i think he says is a case. I didn't bring it up case. Also and she basically says that you wanna may only on the list so other people bring me things. Do you think the people do bring a things or do you think that there's a lot more with that. We think might be a lot more was refunded than we think. The what. you're in. What dragons useable am. I think the she is the cova for the time keepers. I think if they don't exist she's the top passer before them. Yeah so i think so. She's blogging the fact that there are timekeepers because she's to on the show. I have seen that potentially happening. Yeah i think that's where my brain is when he's because even movie says i've never met each ask how all the time how the time keeps things. Yeah and he says like. I've never even met when. It's just very over the top for. Because i the first thing i saw was the three statues of them in our office. Yeah and i just thought three lizards three space. Listen study funny. Billy big box. It is. It is like it's kind of almost threatening in away way with them. Stunned them being so big and sunday as you stood in this office i think it's like a reinforcement and i think it's because it's something to do with her. I don't think she's all she seems not. I think the whole scene was just like you had. I mean i went back and watched it twice because it's so much going on. We'll all realize she also grab something off the shelf later on didn't she i she was. I think the statistic. I think so. Yeah i think it was okay so little things like what the made a real point about the rings on the table and the costa the follow when when he says she says you all the rings on tape when he was like they were that they were that one and she gives him a costa. I'm little bit camera. Literally follows the drink in the coast. They're going down to the table. Yeah and it's. I can't think of what that would be me. Being cynical is like why. The halloween focusing on the coast down on the table. Like little things and then the pan science assigned something so because doesn't she he basically says she says you've got one more one more chance with low key and we're going to reset them and he gets up. She gets into sign a mission report and pants as franklin roosevelt high school on it and he says like why did you get this against one of the ronald gave to me. But like why would you have a pen. Franklin roosevelt high school not wait. It's important school of of a missile of nine law. Not from what. I did research. I mean frankly. D roosevelt was obviously president. You know an an agents shield. I believe colson mentions that. Fdr established shield where one of the found in people shield or sack or got got to be made basically. Yeah bredon whether that we don't even know where those kinda because obviously agency shield doesn't in and so is that is that kind of but just failed. There was a lot going on. Yeah whole converse very short conversation. That will lose a clues that we probably not even noticed half of them. I always i was also wondering what is the relationship between risvan. Remember this because there's something going on. Yeah they're not just she's not just the boss. It's like the way that they talk to each other flirtatious in it. Like as if they've been together how the now and now the not. Maybe they all twists. Yeah maybe it's going on mugo one night and she's just they're just chill sandwiches with thing. We still moaning about a snow globe. Gave you man so the office trying to basically explain himself from core coverdells basically. Maybe it's basically knows that the plan all along was friends again in front of the time keepers and overthrow them which is what loki was planet. Then he kind of planted that seed in his head by saying at the start of the mission. If you if you got the can you might get an audience with the time keepers. And it's not because he was trying to put that in his head as a potential option or the already know though he was thinking of than either way like properly manipulate him. Yeah i'll call them as you call them like a a scheduler which we about to they are on an episode so then he puts locally to work basically. I want to go in research. All of the varying case files to look for to look for clues as to whether it's going to be loki. Tries to access any other files. Become librarian is known of a weird the whole the whole. Hello hello excuse me. And she's not doing anything. You just let rings. The broken balch associate basically only will give him access to his case files case files and that's when he ends up looking at the ragnarok your case file which is the the destruction of god. Yeah now obviously were only on the sacred time line. So this is the file pertaining to what we saw in. Yeah so the biggest surprise for me was the fact that nine thousand seven hundred ninety nine god in died didn't really sell didn't really did you get the impression i got the impression in the all the guardians gonna ship. I didn't now. Oh i did no i. I knew that it was like a few only. If you know see i read eyesore us. All the guardians k. No now i sorta like. Maybe i'm very naive. Go off on it. So i think that makes it really doc. The like though is like the caucchioli less to blow. The idea was on those god. He thought the idea was that they already died. I mean how many people were in in the thing when just like let rippin killed all the army. That was easily a thousand. Yeah pretend yeah so. I don't know. I just assume that like i ready as in rock claiming longley but i read it in in rock-n-roll all the as guardians all the guardian had been killed and it was now just now vale like it was just the ones that got away with handle dark and darkened ragnarok isn't it makes me very differently. Yeah that sounds really deep but it does like but then happy ended locals response to it. Oh yeah we'll let but when he's reading a quite and he looked like he might be well enough of that because he's reading about the destruction of asgard for when he tells more mobis armies are able very sad anyway kind of moving on that's all but he also knew this is when he's looking through the also didn't seem shock the come we just put that out there because the idea is that he didn't know we have a sister. He's already watched the whole thing. I issues i okay. I'm we just saw the bit with highlights easy. I didn't have you watched all. Because why would apologize to him now about that. You know what i mean. You've already watched it so and everything. Yeah push off the ratio pushing that whole that whole scene explaining rights. Really sorry amazing. I could not stop laughing at am sitting there. Just shaking this company pertinent. What was the whole coke policy politics all that the whole thing option movies is was also. That was our only point of seeing you. can casey. Hi nice to see. You can drink legs milk or did you just around. We're gone dude. What's a fish study. We'll very out so so anyway. So we basically explains that the with that he reckons that the variant is high. Apocalypse is because it doesn't matter what you do. In the apocalypse. The timeline farrah source of location is going to end on everyone on that time line. That is going to end anyway. When the when the apocalypse happens nothing will change so basically if the variant was hiding one of these apocalypse situations and keep going back to just before they close happened doesn't work at what he or she did. Yeah the tv would basically never know and he basically wants to go and test. I think he asked to go to ragnar actors and the is like away he says so you can see you can get them. You can stop me in the back when he's like. I'd never stop anybody in the bucket. Four literally favorites. Never do it again just tom. Hilton's been brilliant all the way through this say always we're only like two episodes. Yeah but he's been brilliant for what we see. I just felt like little. See just like his reactions. Like even casey when he goes. I just it was just like real. It's not like shakespearean thomas important on the partial okay. It was just like it just play. Tom hillsdale dot net compensation. Really go away through. I mean to be fact following straight from this. i love the pump. Ac amazing it made me laugh so much is he was drunk all the all the way through the origin completely reveling in death which shows that he is still. I mean i thought we off the back of episode one like completely now and that was just transition. Yeah but he's still trying to like seal the opportunities and get one but let's go go go go to pompeii seventy-nine basically just before. The volcano goes off and to test. The theory. basically so mobile wants to start small and he's like you know any bird noises koo koo or like what the hell is that going to do. He's like a locust basically just now. No sorry you just goes crazy. So i am. Wilson whisper xiao as well. Okay the whole conversation where he's like stopping so happy about about this ablaze. The hand always going to happen but it's just not the way to do it anyway so he goes crazy. Start speaking spanish. Italian is yeah. Why did things along with times talk fusion. i'm a face. It was almost as much as the engine jet knock away. So he's beginning to tell you not punish you might happen to sort of so italian. Just dead easily. He tells them that they're all gonna die and dance dance dance while you can't eat what you want a lot. So think is your house and his little dance and he just looks like he's just completely reveling in the fact that all these people are going to die on nothing they can do about it and he's probably going to be okay and he starts saying like i know because i'm from the future and he starts from the future as in the future songs futuristic future and that and again go from that and the conversation that doubt about like with the whole thing let the solid and casey and so it did make me think the kinda taken him down the floor route. It's like he's always been. He's always been the tricks but he's always been a very serious character. All the way throw comedy. Miramax bought is generally been like fatty syria. And the now to what they did with thor about the doing it really well again. It's like the making any out of a goof and like the comic elements. It'll be sure he's still like hard as nails before he wanted to basically because he wanted everyone to kneel before him and all that kind of stuff whereas now i think. I think it's part of the realization that nothing really matters no like at all. Yeah everything is predetermined is gone and see in the infinity. Stones being used as paperweights like everything that he believed in when you look in terms of power as basically been bullshit. Yeah so what's point. And i think that's where that is kind of tantrum definitely so anyway. The plan works. No brunch timelines created it the whole time. He's focusing. maybe watching. I'm there's nothing going on with it and say so so the plans to decide now the need to find out which apocalypse the variance is high then because it sounds like she is hiding in one whatever so we see them going through some files to try and find the apocalypse before they take a break and then we got quite a lot of movies character development at this stage. I think so lucky. First off lewke starts questioning go jesse magazine on his desk from the nineteen ninety s. I'm basically just thinks the goal of all the things and old time and all the different it just seems to the nineteen ninety does considering that it's also set in the sixties type. Yeah it's a bit weird. It's what he enjoys. I need to eat just said he. Just the good is never been on one. And he's never gonna he's probably never gonna get to go on one. I think the he might get some point. Hopefully will i think the whole idea. That is even mentioned. It is going to happen. Some point he's going to buy When lee when he somehow leaves if he stays on the same path is never gonna get. He's never going to get to go on. And it is 'cause he's he's so committed to this job of been analyst. The tv puts the point. Why like he kinda feel sorry for him. Because it's like this is this is his life. I've got complete faith in these timekeepers who've already said with sally on this and it's like do they even exist. He's just not even question at all. I mean low heathen says the three the three magical who apparently just decided all our all our fates. And that's when he says it's like there's no search you know from what you're telling me maybe s there's no such thing as free will these these guys decide everybody on the time. Line like basically every action. What's going to happen. Yeah so technically moebius in the tv and now loki are the only ones who were really free to sort of be fully controlled which incense is correct. But then you look moebius. And he's not free at all is still fully being controlled degree. Maybe not like every action he takes. He's not gonna life. Nobody at the tv asked the whole sorts of existing. Life is basically do what this space lizards wanting to do and make sure everybody else does it as well really. This is on the really also interesting is the moebius says that the time keepers decide or it doesn't say as many words for you basically put across the timekeepers decide which of the multiple timelines going to be the sacred time line to have all the different potential futures searchlight. They know what all the time what this is going to be allied the because they know where it's potentially going to go because they've seen the multi-diverse before but they give them break down and pick which bits they want for the for the sacred time line and what if the keepers. Turn out to be doctor. Strange in will. I always the whole thing with looking after the time stone and with till the in stone we know. Now i know is a facade. I just don't think tie. I just thinking doctor is sitting decide and all the different but then but then i go back to question. And how did you see the fourteen million versions of the outcome. I agree with that. I don't think. I don't think he's i don't think he's going in the show. I'm not inconvenienced think. I don't think he's running the show. And and that's that's where. I got confused because they don't think about the tv. But what if it's people of that caliber. If that makes sense. I think a lot more powerful dragon i think potentially i mean you know. I'm still convinced it's ally in. It's going to be something. Not necessarily i feel that there's not going to be anything like the time keep is going to be there and it's going to be basically some somebody. Potentially that ramona just decide in wall. Yeah what what what's happening. Basically also maybe not have somebody else and they've just sort of rather than because the whole thing from this conversation is construed the these timekeepers basic basically got. They've created everything. so young. the gods like a and the giants and thornton of stuff we people see them as being god's but really the time keep a god because they decided when everybody does that create in the whole thing from the stars of existence the end of existence. And i reckon that were probably gonna find out that that's not the case and all it is is somebody from a time line has decided. They want to decide their own feet. They want to decide their future. And everybody else's they've got this technology together to be able to control the time line maybe mesh into what if she what's her name. Ramona runner is like an outcast. Eternal all night long. Yeah what if she's like an outcome and that's the reason with the panels comment that going back because she's they realize they found out what she's doing some times only not going to be right now. It's not going to be right. I like i'm just trying to think outside the bucknell. He need to stuff as buffing after one division. Not too far outside the box. Yeah other other saints. It bucket raila said lo he goes on to say that no one is. No one has ever truly bad. No one is truly good. and then. that's when moebius at some point gets reminded about colon locus guide little boy and it's what he remembers the. Oh boy from from the church team. Something fifteen forty something. So he goes to the the evidence lockers and he gets kabui goal that the that the little little kid gave him and then they find out that was only available on earth from twenty four seven twenty fifty something says so they basically can hone in on where basically apocalypse happened during that four year. Four squats four years. I think yeah period. While the nick a level maths halo so and then he fines which apocalypse it is. So it's haven hills and alabama in and fifty basically a three hurricane. Yeah yeah basically white everybody out so maybe sanger's giovanna again and that's when we see this second time we only see her in the episode and he's basically asking for permission to go in to go to even hills and try and find the variance. She does agree but very reluctantly. And she says there's not much i can do if it doesn't work out. What what does that mean issues. Threatened them with like being reset or is she threatened to stick throughout the day. Or is this like from what we didn't you think about it when we when i was watching it ball if the time he is all real. Is it sort of like saying well. I might not be able to protect you from these big monsters. The office. yeah if it doesn't go right and it's just like empty threats to try and sort of control and then we so we go to a bit of this little bit of work prepping for the for the mission should recall call on the. Maybe it gives them. The knives gives them the knives and instantly fifty inches. Take some ways they. I don't know. I know you have middle. So then they go to haven hills. Loki drives himself with magic straightaway. Look like what the hell did you just j just so simple. But it's just establishes straightaway. Call magic back on the tv. He's got all his powers back which we on beef team mobis and local go together. Because she doesn't trust trust either them to perfectly honest i think think she like. She knows that may be sent to a degree as dessert in the clouds. And i think that he can be persuaded by loki. Yeah i i'm not sure he can no i. Now i think he's he's given him the benefit of the doubt and i think that that's kind of like a slippery slope potentially now. I still don't know that we can trust loki. I i'll be his. I don't know but anyway loki agrees. Says he wants to gain everyone's trust so he's going to go with fifteen instead a as they go off and they go in the separate ways then we see this curate monsters in the shaw and we see that the variant is there. She is watching everything that she on all the security monitors and then she sat that little time door control. Yes twenty minutes thing. Some some comment so we see low and beef fifteen there. So's like doing the rounds. He's translate to break the ice but she's having none of it whatsoever and then they come across this dude in the run date initial no run. These come across the the dude. He says he shopping. Shopping for plants in the middle of a hurricane is like a hurricane sale. Find out very quickly that he's possessed by two variant. He touches beef fifteen and then it sort of passes own houses onto her and that's when low. He's like oh may it's may and she's like no no your me you amaze like i'm the i'm the big one which it again because we're getting into a little bit on that is to me the variant saying i am lucky because you'll you'll me the or i'm you however you wanna look at it. But then she kind goes off that she's not loki. Lay on episode. Talk towards the end. So we go we go to moebius anyway. What do you mean much to mike. That name yeah lewke. Don't think it's okay. Don't you know we'll get that was important. Assemble as the theories. There's a few theories and padres assembled to be fab have digging as well. It's always different from comics. So the moebius anyway. He's being quite respectful. Told the people in the shelter even knowing that they're all basically going to die and there's nothing you can do to stop it. Yeah we're both deal. The minute men is being like a dick jelly pushing it around. it's like they. We don't have to be nice to them. They're going to they're going to die and there's nothing we can do but again shows the moebius is possible or bit more human than the others and he's not just like an. He's just going to do anything he's too old and that's when we find they find we. They find c twelve c twenty the the hunter the gop yeah called by the variance of the staff and at that point in it we just say i think we just see shaking and saying it's real it's real that's all she say. What real her. now. I think i think it's the mosey verse. I think she's seen the multi somehow or she'd been sharing the the i by the variant. Yeah she's like it's very it's not it's not doesn't doesn't exist anymore. It is real and we find out more in about but we go back to go back to logan be fifteen or variants basically unlucky trying to convince the variant. He's not working for the tv. I undercover because. I was like is he. Is he just like just con- still that we now. We still don't know whether he's capri got tangled. I don't think he'll have a complete thing go. I don't think he'll ever tang complete. Is he says it. Rookie says it went bonuses. Last time i saw you. You were trying to kill everybody where you where you'll see these days varies from. It's like it goes back. He's trying to be completely in ice and he's just like putin also trying to take over the world so he tries as i said he tries to convince her and then variant jumps out of beef fifteen surrounding at that stage loki basically says he wants to he wants to overthrow the time keepers and he wants the variant to help them basically left hand. So yeah second-in-command pretty much but the variant says. I'm not i'm not. I'm not interested at all. And a common. The how he says it bought lucky calls halicki him and then he like proper discourses. That don't call me that name. I'd only because of the thing which is one of the reasons why it's like is it or does she just not want to be known as key because he's full hundred when we say she's full undress low key. To why does she want to be madonna. Now call okay. We'll we'll we'll see. We'll show you next episode. We'll see can. I also just points out when low. Here's randi yeah. 'cause you notice zoomed out from randy. Did the arms. Now he did the arms the deliver. And that's why. I think it is low key or a very of because i. I can't remember what he said at the time. I just saw the outside. It was very much like their savior. Yeah so like oh maybe it is. Maybe this i loved. It was like brilliant. It's clever clever. So we go back to moebius and and the hunter from the beginning the episode and. She's still saying it's real. I gave it away. I gave the timekeepers location away. So all the time keepers now. I think that they've just been told that something is there and this is how we're going to find out that not really real. You think you think it seems weird. Because say i was the first thing i thought about that with to be fab before even a question as to whether the trevor bauer varies. But i was just thinking like if moebius never met these guys how does how does the how does the hunter know where they are just seem way that she knows what she needed location now but again we maybe maybe that maybe they'll go looking for him and and they're not they're not we'll find out or i'll just be it'll be maybe in revenue house just wanted to start down notes like what's going to happen. She is the time so beef. Fifty wakes up as well and says the says it luke. He's gone and then loki lok in the variants all the various and run these body. Look he's basically saying what what's the plan. What what is it. What is it you want from me. What what is it. You david and then run. They run run the randomly disappears and he comes back as this big truck. Eight basically and then start laying into lane and because he because he's bigger but what he i mean he's still only human keys guardian but then with the power of after i'd say that those the power in power and their sounds so anyway this this big fight lay low jedi powers puts his hand out and like succession what it was like pulls its name which is it and then he pulls out the vacuum cleaner. It was a funny to be really go to my favorite was the dog just hitting him in the head on the flow howard show anyway lukens. Okay and knock down on the variants or the variance in the truckers body goes and sat all the reset charges and loki ends up sounding open saying what do you want from me. And then the truck like laughs and then passes out on the floor and then that's when we see the actual variants here. Yeah come out. And at that point she takes her back and we see that we see we see lady loki at that. Stage is it. Is it lady loki. So that's my like doctor. Who and gallup steady lubbock she. She just had a bit of a look. Yeah i'm jodie foster. Clearly jodie foster not jaded. It's clearly the who people thought was not in the trailers she'll be. I'm not fat. I was expecting a brunette wailua. I think i thought from the trail is the blonde in the trailers was going to be was going to be late anyway. I was just. I think just because has got yet. I thought it was going to be skin darker assault. That's kind of what we were going to get because it's a variant of the same person very into the same person. Well now we don't know. Do we knew the pose the but it was just as he's doing the post very low key thing so she says this isn't about you and then that's when all the saw reset charges stock going off but they don't go off these sorts stop loden and light because it's like liquid inside the mixes. I work goes off. But just before they go off. And he can basically prune the area that we've been told the all star disappear in three mini time. Does yeah underneath them. Which was really cool by the way. It's not what i was expecting. I thought it was gonna blow up. He was expecting also blow up as well. It wasn't in the news This appeared and then we shoot back to the tv. And then that's when we see all the time on these dudes option. Republicans and bombed the time line and it's like The code was zero zero zero. It was like the fast one if this if shit hits the fan yeah. This is the goal. it's the biggest code. We need zero zero zero longer at the telecom. So the so we see the screen. And it's what we've seen in the trailers we see the the the meantime with all the different of frontal different branches coming on an underneath the title underneath the branches guarantee we start to see late locations popping up on the screen so we a lot of different locations. Yeah most of them earth to be fair yeah and then different years on dates digital i get onto the all the different locations so to be fair. I've literally been home for about thirty minutes today. So i watched it on my phone on my lunch. I am so. I couldn't i couldn't side in. I watched a moment. I watched on the ipod. I had to pick up on locations until i watched it back on the tally to be fast. Some of them are some of them on the role. Like i say big locations of the big places. Both things like vietnam lisbon. Portugal cox mill. Usa thornton usa finland tokyo new york or different years. But then some of the big ones that is volmer. Our vohma which is where the souls donors. Yeah volney twenty. Three i want is the okay. That is as god. Two thousand four sukar nineteen eighty-four soon that in the eighties titan. Nineteen eighty two. What else is the zander. One thousand one. And then the one that i thought was the most interesting ego thirty and eighty two. Yeah thirty eighty two likes combines it with peace apple yeah just so many different places all. We're going to see all these places. Are we gonna see any of these places quite colin. We'll be amazing when when they're on the in the very first episode when they talk when you see like the video yeah it's like cartoon it's talked about motivational wall. It looks like that's been fought on titan because in the background. Although by the way buildings that were on titan when i re rewound reality is causing invasions of all them and it looks crazy fighting there as well so whether like that's to do with motivational war. Maybe that's one of the places that she's gone back to because it's like right. Well let's just call up the motivational wall straight away. And then yeah. It doesn't get one or it doesn't get one by the right by the right side samoa. It's definitely going to be stopping. It'd be interesting if the motive doesn't already exist which i think my already. Yes we asked the. This is the multi verse. She just create the maziarz because all these branches are moving toward that red line. Very quickly and you see revanche. We get in this. Get nothing off the show baraka. Stick unlike seminal minute men in to go you're jumping through time those so whether they can get their fix these things that quick. They don't know because they will often realtime on. How are they going to get all these people all the different places. But it's all it's all kicked off. The sheet has hit the fine as as we say big time and then we go back to be just before they ended up. Get the rocks cart. We see lady loki. She basically gets off through the time door but it doesn't close. and then we see moebius running towards low. He and lewke sausages look in between the time decision. Yeah yeah he decides we think he decides to to jump and take take the time right so my question is is the thing on now. I don't think you had really get on one because they wanted to trae loose a appears in somewhere that looks like a gang of thieves and then they all suddenly points their weapons like colluded knives at his neck but he's got the thing round round his neck again not when he's dressed as luke present low-key training. I think dresses presently. Maybe he's still got caller on their jamaica. Maybe that something to do with roosevelt and he starts running against roosevelt kobe. Kobe just whether being roosevelt high. Like maybe that's the link. Yeah maybe i've got a feeling that maybe like risvan a- isn't a she's nixon. I think if she wasn't an idea the potential she's an eternal. I won't be surprised. If she's known of it. She just human and she sort of hijacked a squirrel squirrel while she's just also time you know. We talked about the flag last week. By the way yes flicking a fact that i am still didn't say it right. There was a scroll in the next room. Was there yeah. She's you when he fast walks in. He's about to go to court with varna ravana larger. Know what's going on with my head. Sorry find the school starts in the in the benches i. Yeah it's it's literally like you can tell by the year. Darrell the afc. It's so with these episodes mean. I've watched so many tiny details and we've watched multiple times the thing most people have watched multiple times well but anyway the episode before we assemble and theories absolutely amazing episode again looked at. I was surprised how good it was. Because i feel it's after episode one. Maybe slow down a little bit but it doesn't really well show quick the fact that we've we've had the reveal already the of of lady loki. I think there's more to it. I think there's a lot more to it. Because i don't think they'd give a reveal away that quickly she called bay the big bob. Now if we're to episode then we've now seen fister. That's why i also don't think it's nothing. That's why to not convinced that. She is a variance luca pool. We're going we're gone in she. We do shoot you pod funds. Assemble pod fans okay. So we've got a shown on. Facebook said gonna say i'll be really disappointed. Variant loki is actually the ultimate. We got our hero is the villain storyline in one. Division plus dot kiddie look like a younger leuke pointed at the devil so fist. Oh yeah i agree. Hopefully we got this dog. I don't think we're going to win. But i i hope i've just over one of the i still think that they hinton's through so that does stand up at some point. Yeah and so. When he's to be controlled introduction the same way as they did famous or whether they're they've been doing it for nobody wilton kinda did with us the conned even though we saw him. He did kind of tease him for awhile. We soul i very short parts of him. So that's why i'm still thinking does going to maybe not a six or seven films yet bought. I is east common. Yeah hopefully i'm convinced an it to be a what's his name from prison. Break john on the point that actually played lucifer any. I just think. I just think he will be bro. He would be a a also agree with the factor. I'm the heroes of ellen storyline. We've had it mortar. Yeah we've got. We need roads podcast. Who pretty much. Just what an episode. Very well totally. Great that's literally all i know. I saw message. yeah for. I saw the episode because he came through with an evocation yeah. I'm literally as soon as i watch episode though while amazing. I'm keeping the sacred flame. Who said low will be the hero of the sacred time line. yeah. I'm still not convinced him. I'm like i hope he is. But i'm still not convinced these go but he's not convinced it's going to be fixed more convinced as either. I'm just with everything. That's come in. And just i'm just not convinced we've then got jesse. Barry who said ron no timekeepers mazen rensselaer's run in the show because she's a power hungry. How important it a local figure. All this out the tv disband be free to live. Their lives and rijeka skis will ensue. I'm full agreement with the idea. I am convinced it. In order to that multi the only thing then herald of collectors sets. I'm that list of locations. At the end. Had celebrate on the gift that he's put that's the one on. Yeah that's amazing february. And then we've got policies. Have we just witnessed the start of the multi. Vast wasn't expected. Not so alien thought would have happened towards the end of the series looking forward to see what lady low key sylvie on the real lucia planning next year to he's going down the silvery. Thanks poll thanks for thank you guys and the message in so think. The one of the theories is again. This is a potential spoilers again. Whenever i and they never saw follow the comics. Exactly one of the theories is that lady. Low key who we've seen isn't lady loki bush's a character called sylvie in the comics is becomes a character the chandra's and i think she gets her power from lewke. I woke from version from version of loki. Bought she might think she's loki or not on points and but i think one of the one of the room is one of the theories out there at the moment as i think you mentioned a couple of weeks ago. Richard e grant is in business and i think a lot of people are hoping that she's working for loki and richard. E grant is north of local as version of loki lower-paying. Shogo all qiuping fist on. Yeah i go. I just think that she must be working for somebody else. Yeah rather than happy and the the big the big bad basically similar to what. Maybe she hates that name because she urges him being boss and say that name potentially to be a lot more to it. I'm so excited to watch the com- six episodes i who already it's brilliant. It's been impressive. So you up up. 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NEW: Nthin' But a Good Time | Richard Bienstock and Tom Beaujour | Welcome To The Music

"Greg the great. Jim steinman as passed meatloaf bonnie tyler celine dion the hitmaker. I thought who. I thought who names her kid meatloaf and who changes their name legally to me love. Who names their kid meatloaf so i thought up thinking that was his first name. That meatloaf's real name was jim steinman but meatloaf apparently meatloaf is. The guy's name reggie. That's i don't know like like the edge. You give me give me some notice that you wanna talk about obscure names. Jim steinman. Hello is not obscured not talking. I'm not talking to him. Ruined herod ice by the dashboard. Like all of bat out of hell is written by jim steinman or at least all of the hits from bat out of hell out of help too. By the way meatloaf is michael lee aday. What's ronald did. Not name him meatloaf kid like wait a minute. We gotta live studio. Gotta live studio audience today by the way well tell the studio audience. How old was good bomb. Our live studio audience. Tell she'll be just we'll have to remove her from the audience. If she continues to chirp she continues to beat belligerent. yeah. I don't have to take that come to her classroom and start dropping. Do tell her says that he doesn't come to your classroom. Start driving f-bomb. Well actually it's funny because if you think about it. I got to talking to a while ago during remote learning that apparently i dropped too many f. bombs and talk too loud so i had to make sure my door was closed while kindergarten music class is going on downstairs in the dining room. It was it was a stern talking to it. Was you tell you. High following podcast is brought to you by road brewery. The best craft beer in the heart of leslie will find him at eleven. Seventy seven queen street east. That's road brewery. Hey i'm tom beausejour you're one of the co-authors of nothing but a good time I have was a music journalist for many years worked at guitar. World magazine founded the metal magazine revolver and did that for ten years and then founded guitar aficionado magazine which was like a a luxury itar magazine. Then also produce in record bands like not surf guided by voices. Juliana hatfield Things like that and that sort of brings us up to the press which beanstalk i'm the other author of nothing but a good time is also the tar world alumnus. Which is where tom and i. I meant twenty five years ago at this point you know. Throughout my time. There was editor managing editor of different magazines. Writer are still for them feelings. For a lot of other publications rolling stone and billboard times and so on so forth i authored or co authored. A few other books. I recently did a book called the decade that rocked with photographer mark. Yes which was a photo coffee table book of of all the same types of answer. This book I co authored. The urkel bain book that went along with the the montage japan documentary from a few years ago. I also play guitar. I've played in a bunch of different bands. I've played with some of the guys in our book. Boys in la. Gluons and i've opened for twisted sister and that type of stuff so it to live out their fantasy a little bit as well. I guess the podcast name. Yeah welcome to the music okay. You're listening to welcome to the muzak. Vervet welcome welcome. Welcome not so great to have you guys on your with us I wanna i wanna start off by like it was a great read and so many so many interesting stories in pieces of interviews that were strung together around themes of the chapters in discussion points and stuff. And so really. We're going to start off with is like how did this come. Because it's how did this come together. It was something that rich. And i had been talking about for probably a decade. You know the main thing is that we've known each other seriously since nineteen ninety six ninety seven in our favorite topic of conversation. If there was nothing actually important about the magazine. Maybe even if there was a to discuss was always end up talking about here metal. We talked about this. That like speculating about you. Know really weird my new show and stuff and we'd sort of bounced around the idea of doing this book at suddenly about four years ago Even suddenly but it just seemed like it was really time We both felt that we could sort of commit the the energy to it. I don't know if rich felt this way. I kind of felt this way that if somebody else had done this book if we'd been halfway through it or trying to get a book deal and found out that somebody else was working on it i would have really felt like a i. I kind of miss the opportunity of a lifetime to do it because it's really the music that's like sort of for better for worse like at the core of my being so for all of those reasons About four years ago we started in earnest putting together a proposal And it also seems. Obviously we weren't the only ones like it seemed to it at the same time somebody was thinking about putting out this cobra kai tv. Show you know with like you know. Almost like the whole soundtrack is kind of based on this music in. It's sort of the scene. Probably there were people simultaneously feeling that the time to examine this decade was now and so we we got to work and regretted it many times while doing the book but did in fact finish awesome awesome. I wanted to learn to ask you about guns n. Roses because there. They're a big part of the book Where the automatically included in the book because of the timeframe and wasn't a timeframe you're relocated. Arrear you're looking at specifically hair metal bands seem they. They don't seem to fit. Yeah well. they're always sort of the wildcard anytime. Even see someone puts together a list of the greatest twenty greatest hard rock or hair metal records. It's like well you know there are always the one that people debate whether they should be on it. It wasn't really a debate when it came to this book. Because you know. I think that they're so much a part of this scene. Even if they whether you want to say they transcended. Or whatever which i think is sort of a negative way to put it. You know in terms of other bands. Like the you're now saying getting transcend that there was something you wanted to transcend but the point like roses became a much larger entity outside of the scene. But if you read the book you see that they are very much spawned out of this world and and more than that. They are very much like a part of it meaning like they are. They are really tight with a lot of these bands. There's a lot of interchangeability with some of the bands. And like axel is in la guns and tracy guns obviously starts guns and roses with him. you know their play is. He's playing in the band. London and mike and this is all this sort of stuff going on there. They're really friendly with the faster pussycat guys in there hanging out at the same places. So you know. They're sharing a manager with great white. Like there's it would be whether or not you even think that they're sonically stylistically the same as other bands if you were telling the story of the sunset strip and hard rock on the sunset strip in the mid eighties to not talk about them you know would leave a gaping hole because they are right in the center of it. And they're right. They're playing shows with poison and all these other bands so i don't think it was something that ever came up like we knew right from the beginning that they would be pretty central part of that part of the story and as we do discover in the book you know slash did audition for poison is crazy and he did any any probably would've taken the gig at he gotten. It replaced You know paul gilbert from mr big And raytheon in a band called black sheep so there really was. They were crossing the street all the time. These guys. yeah. They just seem to be like the bad boys of of rock at at that at that time. You know you talked about Having similar managers as other bands I think allen evident in your book talks about nobody wanted these guys guns n. roses. What's what was it about the lifestyle at that time where it was to be to be whether it was poison or guns and roses or another one of these bands. It wasn't enough to make music. It was a total total lifestyle like the debauchery from sunrise to sunset. And in between i one of the things is that you look at these bands and maybe it's different from. How bands are today different from when i was in bands as well like these guys didn't have day jobs like this was full and a couple of maybe did some telemarketing or the snap. But this was full on like the life. And if you were going to do it especially if you're going to do it in la where there's such competition and there's so many bands out there and they're so many people craving this stuff like you were doing it. Twenty four seven or else. You're just gonna get left behind very quickly so if you're not if you're not rehearsing or playing a gig you're promoting you're putting up flyers or you're doing you know you're finding your manager. You're you're making record like you're you're doing it all day all night and so part of that is like there's never a part of your life that is separated from that lifestyle and clearly like the sex drugs rock and roll thing like that's that's the reason why these guys got into it. To begin with. It's not the whole reason. But that's going to be part of the of the life and so it's not like well now. I have to go to my job as a crap designer and all. I could eight o'clock tonight never outside of it so it's not it's not something you're dolgin like it's literally just it's it's who you are like it's around you all the time. There's also something about the size of l. a. is a massive city but the strip in hollywood is actually a topographic very small. So like you've got a lot of people in a small area and when when they're promoting themselves you know i mean they would go beyond with postering in playing the valley but it's really a small very tight knit community of very desperate in poor young people. You know what i mean. So they're like that that's what they do they party there. You know who knows. If they're frauds lobes are fully developed and something that we've discussed is to come back to poison again. There's this a story in the book. Where matt smith. The original guitar player from poison came out from pennsylvania with them. Goes home nominally. Because his girlfriend is pregnant. But ricky rockets and drummer from poison also says atlantic. It's almost like that's credit. But like he was sort of a normal person and he just couldn't hang like you know he could Poisoning or living in a warehouse at flying cockroaches with with sheets dividing their spaces in gangs outside trying to kill them and no money and for the other guys in the band like yeah. We're gonna make it. This is an adventure. And he just you know for a for many people enrich of night discuss. We probably would have been those people you get away. That was really what it took. You like this on adding like a well adjusted. Person might not be able to hang in that scene. Yeah yeah and that's that's a great segue. That's a great segue to what i was gonna ask. Which is you know. there's reality and there's legend right or myths or whatever. So how did you manage that when you were pulling together the book or did you just let it come together regardless of reality versus does does that make sense. What i'm asking. I think that reality like whatever. One person's perception of reality is sort of becomes reality in a weird way and if people have different one of the great things about an oral history is like. You're getting all these different people. Talk right so if you're getting people talk about the same situation. They have totally different viewpoints on. What happened so be it. It's not even you just run them both at new kind of to the reader to decide like what's what's the kernel of in this And sometimes that. Sometimes i'd happened but honestly not that much like people were pretty. You felt the reality feels like it's it's real because people were pretty accurate in on the same page with what they were saying surprisingly so given what we were just talking about the way these guys lived in the partying in drugs and alcohol and all that like they pretty much remember what happened and they remember how it happened and that was like a nice sort of thing to to see. Because you didn't know if that was going to be the case So you could kinda let these guys just run and the great thing was like you didn't have to go looking for certain types of stories or digging for dirt. There is some of that in the book. It's not overloaded with that but the reality even just the day to day existence of how they were living in how they were trying to make it and the creative process and all that is is wild enough on its own that can sustain a book. You know be very entertaining like just just the story of how these guys. You know ascended to where they were. I think that that's what made this music sort of special. At at least two people like rich and me and also then in the end when sort of a when the pendulum swung a little more towards maybe like authenticity. Howard whatever you wanna call it like the problem is that when you talk about legends. We're we're talking the people who did this officer there guys in bands but they did create for people like me enrich and like millions of other people A fantasy alleged. And which is what. I keyed into it. Fifteen when all i think about is poisoned by the way for newly for like a month you realize it but like for me too. Big video was poisoned talker video and when when they just opening shot were like c c deville sitting there and there's a semi with a complete road is like thirty guitars. You know behind him. And you know. The band's broken ami that i don't know how many of those are actually his doesn't matter and a you know and he's referencing rick nielsen But when i saw that video of this guy is a superhero so they were very normal guys but very driven but creating something that through. Mtv end the sound and the production and stuff was if that legendary than monolithic aspirational. You know and so what we wanted to do with this. Is you know. Show the people behind it because you may not end up reading your book and then liking. La guns or warrant but you will end up realizing that. The people behind the marketing facade were like dudes in bands. Trying really hard to to to make it happen. Yeah i'm curious. Was there something because tom you talk about this. The strip is a really small space What's been what's happening in. La at that time or on the strip at that time that you have all of these monster rock bands coming out of that that strip kicking that to rich. Because he's a he's that he's the full. La obsessive who the hell knows really all right now. But i think what it is and tom. Tom actually said this is like you know. La's the sprawling place but you have this very concentrated area which is the strip but you know the the sort of other meaning of it being that sprawling places that and a lot of ways. It's it's a suburban city and this music is kind suburban music like this is not even to this day you know where these guys allow. These bands are back out there. Doing really well on tour playing big places like tom. Tom and i are both new york and new york city type. People these bands. Don't come through the city. You know you go to jersey to see them. You go to long island to see them. It's not manhattan and brooklyn is not where you're gonna go see poison and cinderella just doesn't happen even even today So the thing the thing that was great about la is you had the concentration of an urban area and you had the sprawl and sort of mentality a suburban area. And i think that that was a big part of it for this music. And then you combine that with the fact that like la i mean the sixties and seventies. It's always been in epicenter of of sort of the new thing that was going on and this was the new thing at that time But i think that that was really a big part of it. And you get a lot of the guys on the east coast saying that as well like the skin. Rogue is in jersey or you know cinderella guys in pennsylvania in philly. They're like you had these areas where the bands played. You didn't have anything. That was like the sunset strip. It's like you go play your show and then hop in your car and maybe you go to like you know white castle or denny's or wherever the party is but you have to go there. You know you're not walking over to the rainbow that's to Two doors down and then hanging out there for a couple of hours and then go to the roxie or whatever so they didn't have that sort of built in community the way that they did in l. a. Also remember back then. I mean you couldn't you couldn't do your band camp page. You know know you. Labels are in new york in l. a. period and l. a. is a much more like what you're saying if there were actual radio stations. That played this music. In in you. I mean i grew up in new york. There was sou which was seton hall university in a new jersey. They played this music. There was no major commercial radio station in new york city that played. You know this kind of hard rock. The other thing is in the the drummer from warrant says. This is like he when he gets to l. a. I mean he's terrified because there's so many bands but it's the first time in his life. He really feels at home. You know he's like. I am with all the other freaks who want like with the long hair in the earring from that kid from every high school in america who wanted to be a musician moved to la. And you'll you also forget. Like this is still a time know happens with skid row in the book it happens with with a motley crue where once they get out of the metropolis before their famous like in there. You know denny's or white castle with long hair like you would still get your ass kicked for that nineteen eighty-four so it was a place that you all these people congregate gated to be with like minded people and record companies atlantic. Atlantic records was like right down the street the strip. So yeah it's much easier to get a guy from label. Come see you if you just a walk over for five minutes as opposed to appease in manhattan and then has to go out to like you know somewhere on the island or something like. He's just not going to do it. Yeah you mentioned you mentioned motley crue there in one thing. I want to ask in the intro. Thought it was interesting. You talked about new wave taking Was a new new wave taking the fashion from punk. Think or something along that lines of the look in the fashion the big hair which would have been me back in that day from that side of things but i mean one of my favorite albums of all time hands down is too fast for love an feel from. I don't know if it's an influence i feel. It's one of the greatest punk albums. I don't know what you guys think. Maybe i just said something sacrilegious goosebumps because to me. That's just one of the best punk albums. I've ever her speed punk albums. I agree and like dickie six says it he says. If he's like the puckers loved us he's like the pumpers will again nikki. Six is a character in our book. Who's he knows what he's doing. You know what i mean like. He's probably heard he's heard the pistols. He's heard probably sham sixty nine. He's heard the dolls definitely. He's definitely hurt. cheap trick. You know he he. He and he he's manipulating I think the sound not manipulating makes it. But like he's got his feet on the gas in the clutch like with the look and the sound and this and that and even with the aesthetic of knowing that when he hires vince. Neal vince deals not like the best operatic singer. Morris isn't you know Like some shredding guitar player. But you know what like if you play if you wanna play livewire like correctly. Not slow down like that guy. As a right hand it will accept. So he knew he wasn't about like shredding he. So he i think all of those elements that make you think like it's a great punk rock record at which is like sonically. He was dialing that in your lucky and it was recorded for no money really fast. You know which which is another But the production is phenomenal. It's like i said it's like a perfect punk album. It's just so well done a there were a lot of surprises From me in this book reading it like one of them. Maybe everybody knew this by gene. Simmons of kiss wanted to manage van halen As as as they were coming up Were there any surprises. You guys have been writing about music. Guys have been in the space for so long. Were there any surprises for you. As you're putting this book together there are a lot of surprises Nothing necessarily comes to mind right. I mean a lot of things. Come to mind. But i will also one of the things i would say that there were a lot of times. Where like tom or i after doing interviews like hang up the phone from the interview. It's like thank you for your time. Click you immediately. Call up the other person and you're like you'll never guess what i just found out you know it'd be like and it could be something crazy or could be like the most ridiculous little piece of manusha that that is not really all that interesting to anyone. That's not an obsessive. But when you've been listening to the stuff for forty years to find out this little thing about it that you'd never knew before is like sort of like mind blowing the gene simmons thing one of the things that was interesting is like yeah. The he's he's with van halen and trying to sign them. And i mean genus talked about this a lot probably given himself a little more credit than do as gene does. But the interesting about the book and i don't know that i noticed it in until we were sort of done is that gene keeps popping up throughout the book. He does that with a lot of bands. He does it. He doesn't with kiel and he actually does work with them. He does it with tom. I can't even remember now. Cinderella della i think he pops up with war at some point like he might. Yeah he keeps popping up in wanting to work with people She's feels like and you would think that. Like i mean people would take that deal because it's like he's still gene. Simmons granted the mid eighty s. And kiss on what they once were but the band's actually for the most part don't i mean there's a scene where gene is that the The launch party for the decline of western civilization part to movie and he sees stevie rachelle singer from tough up on the screen and tough is not assigned van yet. There is still a local ban and he sees that guy and he's like a once again. He's being gene. Simmons he's like i wanna work with that guy and he approaches him or approaches them through a third party at the after party for the premiere of the movie and again like severe. Shell doesn't have much going on but he kind of knows he doesn't necessarily want to be working with gene simmons because gene simmons. That point is like fifteen years kind of out of his prime has prime comes around again but in the late eighties. He's not really there and sceviour shell is like you know gene simmons. It didn't really mean anything to me in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. He's like told me. Cc to bill wanted to work with me. He's like no question about it. I would have been there but you know so gene keeps popping up and he keeps getting pushed away by all these other bands. It's it's funny. You say that. Because i think i know three bands in toronto and various events and concerts and stuff where jeanne was there. Has he wanted to work with them. So it's funny. You say it me. Many other bands. It's just like he seems to be everywhere wanting to work with everybody. Yeah the race stories. That surprised you or a story that surprised you. It was there. Were quite a few. The weirdest one for me is like at that. I'd really never heard at all in which is corroborated by everyone is like sort of the The photographer ross health and let me tell you how cinderella threw away. Their career do challenge. He's like he's ross. I wish like he's like this british guy. Have you ever watched the def leppard behind the music if you have a photographer. That's ross and he's like it was sort of in gomorrah and that's that's sort of how he talks. Let me tell you have cinderella pissed away their career and so evidently a they're about to do this massive european tour In in nineteen ninety one in there in england in the gulf war starts in there and tom keefer and some of the road crew are dislike you. we can't go to europe. they're gonna bomb europe and literally the entire cinderella. Can't after the second show charter plane and goes to from the venue to the plane and like flies home and it's basically when everything starts falling apart for them but like it's weird because they screwed i don't know how many european promoters in the process and and even they're they're in their managers like this is this is where it went south and apparently they. It's their the reason. They were so tense as they were supposed to be on the flight out of lockerbie but just weird things like that. Because like tom kiefer's like that talking about it and he even admitted like these little weird things like ban takes like this. You know. there's two forks in the road right there do a left or right and they go left in a weird way their career never recovers in certainly when the ninety start they haven't built a foothold in europe where they can go play there. You know an end. Sort of forget about america so there are lots of weird. You know very strange stories like that. I found that one for some reason to be absolutely fascinating that in that nelson did their whole video backwards like that. The the directors were like. Look here's what's going to happen. We want the snow going up. You know the way going to do that. is you. Have to learn to play the whole song backwards. And if you watch that video. That's what they did. They actually learn to play the chords backwards and mouth. The words backwards And drummer bobby. Rock has to like learn how to play drums where he's hitting up from the skins and stuff and like it was this incredibly arduous. Three day. Shoot you know to do this thing. We realize that. That's how much money in sort of hubris and just like bizarre. That was a perfectly normal. Ideally go. yeah let's do it backwards. Let's spend a quarter million dollars and it looks cool. Does it look but so that was another one where it's like. This is the most amazing thing i've ever read How important was mtv for this genre of music at this time. Like there's one does does guns n. roses poisoned cinderella. Like do they all pop without mtv. I think that they might but they don't certainly not in the same way as far as how important. Mtv was it was like it was everything away. Same way it was for you know a lot of the band like the new romantic bands and all this stuff but for the for these guys. It was just perfect timing. I mean the video that really breaks the door down. And there's a big section in the book about this as quiet riot come on field noise and you look at that video. There's nothing spectacular going on since these dudes on sound stage play and their song. You know but that doesn't and one of the things that we've talked about the band talk about is like they were just camera ready because you had these guys. They were all like super. Diy bands hadn't been able to get signed most of them. You know they were doing things all on their own. They were creating their own stage. Show their look. Yada yada yada especially in la where they're fighting against hundreds or thousands of other bands eyeballs. They're just doing this thing where they're trying to do the most over the top thing they can whether it's in their look their stage show they're playing these clubs like the starwood as if play madison square garden. So they've been doing this every night and prevent quiet riot. They've been doing it for literally. Ten years by one thousand nine hundred eighty three so when something like mtv comes along it's like you know just put a camera on them and and press record and like just let them do what they do and like. You can't take your eyes off it really. That was enough to open up that door for all these other to walk through and then of course too much more high concept stuff like the next ban that really comes through twisted sister and they take it over the top with these like story boarded videos but they all acknowledged that it was quiet riot. That was really the ban that may be without without that video. You know maybe the whole thing happens but it certainly happens in a much different way in. Go ahead tom not in the process in you know in his probably why we're talking about now to like the these guys become famous. Something that really happened. I mean it happens in the pop world but you know the guys in in nelson could not go there like. If there's one of us i could we could go to the mall. If the two of us were went to the mall together there was going to be a riot. You know Decider is famous famous. You know these are people who sell on. They become full on celebrities. Just by virtue of the fact that these these videos are just on all the time in their faces are on tv all the time for better for worse it's also it allows them. That's reinvent themselves later but you know there was a level. It was a word stealing this word from rich because he used it once in an interview. And i thought it was really good. There was like this monoculture and so if you're watching mtv you're seeing these bands like you dial mtv. They're dominating that so you couldn't escape this. This was the dominant form of rock music. At the time you know so it was i think. Mtv was absolutely completely pivotal. in it. greg. And i have talked to guests and we all talk about spotify. And how do you you look at the algorithm india. Figure out everything from you know when the singer comes into how long the song is going to be and and all of these different things and as i'm going through your book reminded me of that because there's something about mtv these bands and the onset of the power ballad. It seems that that you know having a power. Ballad song is sort of the the key to tricking the algorithm to make a ban or song successful How important was that for bands to break on through to top forty or more rotations on on mtv. It was super important. And that's actually a really good with what goes on with spotify today. i mean obviously. Nowadays everything is sort of more data driven but so like maybe you to do exactly like a ten second intro and then your course has to come in by second by twenty seven seconds or whatever may be back then it was going a little bit more on on by but yeah at some point people realize like if you make a power ballad you can. I think tom knows this quote better. Because he's used in in some of our interviews but it's a great quote in the book where he's who is someone who doesn't cc. Bill to someone. Yeah he goes he goes he says it you is one of the guys in warrant it is and he goes you want to do the quote that the void so that helps. He's like he's like your first single. Gets you a car. The power ballad gets you a house. And that's it's the truth back injury and it's like well you can either sell gold and be the opening act on a major arena tour or you can release a power ballad and go triple platinum and like the headliner and i think a lot of bands really took that to heart you know and so you have the power valid. Is this weird thing. Because it is yes formulaic and yeah it sort of i mean you can say it's sort of a crass you know sort of angle that a lot of these guys do but it's also dislike any of the band's these guys grew up listening to like they grew up on seventy s rock right so they're listening to arrowsmith and skinner and all that stuff and like those bands had their slow songs along with the fast song. So i think that it started from a more natural place where it's like. Every brock record classic rock record we listen to growing up had a couple slower songs on it so i think that's what these guys were doing too. But then like everything else it becomes. It's very specific thing where it's like. Well the big the big distorted guitars coming in the chorus and like everything sort of lifts and like they all start to sound the same a little bit. But i do genuinely believe that there was something more pure about some of these ballads than people really give them credit for and there was some of them that had nothing pure about them. But but the answer. I think it's somewhere in the middle of the truth is and i mean that was it was really. I mean also you have to remember how much money like. It's easy in a world. Now where like rock music. These metrics don't exist that you know the first of all. The labels are spending a ton of money these bands between the tour support and the radio. But if you can make a record sell four million copies like that's your quarter And it was specifically that you would in the algorithm was you to rock singles to establish credibility and completely alienate the male fans and then the third single if the record has legs. is the ballot. And that if you're lucky crosses over two. Am radio and pop radio. And that's where you get the sort of civilians the housewives the girls everything in it sort of becomes this massive thing that said. Yeah you know. I mean there are like faster. Pussycats house of pain even like elegance ballot of jane. There's some really great ballads. Which i think we're just Legitimately good songs. But it was. It was an import integral part of the marketing of these bands. And something that was held against them later. It's funny because i i came out of the funk side of new wave and into the the convergence with metal and it's like living color or faith no more. I don't know if you know boot sauce up here in canada or not but You know even to the band extreme and there's been a time when we were on a conversation we were talking about the convergence of funk and metal and i brought up extreme and cream. All he could think of was more than words. No no one. No concept could ever bring up extreme in a conversation but we're also wanted to go as we talked about. No just one other thing ended. I think this is a really telling what just add to it. Richard saying you know veto brought to talk about when the children cry which was huge. And he's like seriously like he's just like dude. I was trying to dust in the wind. He's like. I didn't know i wasn't trying to write a hit single. We'd never had. Its hit single iding. You know that wasn't even like fucking in my mind. I really liked dust in the wind. And when you when you reverse engineer like oh yeah you know so. These guys had just grown up on bands. Did stuff too. So so at the so much Much music appear. Mtv down the us you know. Things are huge in This sort of chords the end of the book by bringing in jerry cantrell and kim and others. It's like all of a sudden. This sound of seattle starts coming in and taking over like there. Were some bands like metallica. That cut through but i mean it was. Could you talk about the impact of what that had on that group of bands. At that time. That i mean obviously that is where sort of the story end surly. Stop part of the story ends for for these bans But what we wanted. We knew we wanted to show is like of course the seattle thing happens in grunge in that in that plays a role in all this but there's no way that that is the the whole story and that sort of played out as true when we really went into this in a lot of the guys in the bands. That are our book. Talk about the fat like fred. Curry from cinderella's like well listen another factors like you look at what we were doing in ninety ninety one like a lot of us. Were doing our best work. And that's kind of true like you look at a lot of the bands that were big a few years earlier like their best albums are not in ninety nine. Ninety one before nirvana comes on the scene like they're still sort of changing and they're still in a weird sort of rock and a hard place moment because people that were into them in eighty five six. Don't necessarily wanna keep hearing the same thing. But then some of the a lot of them do want to hear the same thing and so like you can't you can't really please. Everyone continually and like people are aging out of it and so on and so forth but when the grunge bands come in at the beginning there's not this divide the way it happens later in the end like you mentioned. Yeah jerry cantrell in there and kim tile like. They're not trying to kill these bands and they say much that's not their intention. They don't really. why would they even care. Really what these other bands are doing. They just wanna to do their own thing. And jerry cantrell in particular like has a real connection to this music. He talks about loving. George lynch and loving warren de martini and he played in a band. One of the guys from pretty boy floyd and alison chains. Obviously were pretty glamour in their early days. Know tom i think saw them play with extreme around that time so the truth. It's all just hard rock. Like i remember listening to the stuff at the time and i liked all of it. But what happens is there. There's this divide does start to happen. A lot of it in the press and a lot of it you know and tom always points this out to and i agree with that. The one guy who really did have a problem with a lot of this music was kurt. Cobain He didn't he wasn't down with the homophobia of a lot of massage misogyny and he was more vocal about it and for better or worse he didn't want to be the figurehead necessarily of the scene but he was and when he said something like it's sort of stuck and there was definitely something that stuck to a lot of these guys that they couldn't shake off because of a guy like him and that helped to sort of you know push everything to the sides. I mean it's really a time and it's funny the very first moments that we were thinking about doing this book. We're gonna we. We toyed with the idea of just chronicling and trying to figure out the business aspects like the whole thing about the end what happened. Was it a conspiracy. Like and and jay jay french from twisted sister grape could the book where he's like you know since when is fucking people over to make money conspiracy. But i should've asked you if i could curse on his bike as but again. Yeah the interesting thing is that yet. These peten everyone involved with this. Music is marginalized you know. It takes a couple of years. But you know the producers. The one guy who. Who's at our book. Howard benson like manages to sort of cycle out and after you back chemical roads and the guys like bow hill michael actor. Tom warming people who've so tens of millions of records. They never get another call. You know in our guys who had signed these bands fans. Don't want to sign with them now. I don't want to sign with cinderella's anr guy you know. It's a complete total stigma to have been involved in the senior. That the thing in our book where brian foresight of kicks and kicks her. Like one of my favorite bands still today. One of the best live bands a band. Who had had middling success in a huge power ballad which is actually how they ended up having platinum record. but he's going on dishing for the wallflowers in nineteen ninety-three like gay for what she's totally equipped because he's like a really good rucci player and you know even though he he has a platinum record and a number nine single under his belt. He doesn't say that he was ever kicks Look like that would have been a deal breaker immediately. Yeah it. Was this drastic cancelation. Like it's i don't know if it's ever app maybe with disco Ninety five ninety six nine selleck. We were working at guitar magazines. Rich and i at the time and these guys would been on the cover for a decade. It's as if they never existed. Like when i started in ninety four tyrod was can fail on the cover. Was you know maybe green day. Pearl jam and stuff like that and weren't calling red beach from winger to you know to to be on the cover in fact you weren't even putting him in the magazine because you didn't want to remind people did. That's what you had been doing for years before it was. It was interesting brutal interesting. I got one last question. Or i got one in greg. Greg has won Near the end of your book you. There's a talk about the the moscow peace festival. And i don't know if you guys have come across the podcast kim out i think a couple of years ago We'd have changed. Or i'm going with this okay so it wasn't in your book but was there talk at all as you're researching the book that that scorpion song was written by the cia. Or if it wasn't what are your thoughts on. That was one fascinating podcast. Yeah what what are your thoughts on all of that well. I'd have to start by admitting. I did not actually listen to the podcast but i do. I am aware of it We never came across anything like that. My my understanding in the podcast is that they never came to the conclusion that it was written by the cia. But i could be wrong about that but about the song itself. you know. it's funny. I actually had done a few years before. Doing the book i did. A whole like oral history of wind of change for rolling stone. wow And because the guys who do the podcast actually contacted me like they wanted to use some of the audio from it. I couldn't find it but in doing that like it when we went into this whole thing. I want to with claus in rudolph in like talking about that song. In how they wound up meeting with gorbachev all that it really got pretty crazy for them with that song but you know as far as how it related to our book like. Yeah we go into all of the. It was another moment where we were like. Okay we have to. We have to cover moscow. Because it's such a big part of the story of this music and cabins like right sort of you know when the stuff is really at the top in eighty nine but it has been talked about before you know and there's the wind of change thing and there's been all these other articles written about moscow and it's like how do we approach it in a way that tells it a little differently Which i think that we were able to do by talking a little bit more about you. Know what it was like when these guys went to the hotel and just like all this stuff that in a way it's like some of the smaller moments in addition to like the stage stuff and of course the plane ride is a great scene in the book too. Because we just have so many these guys talking about the craziness of that. But it's like these smaller moments about like i think it's jeff labar from cinderella like dropping his pants in red square. And like you know one of the skid row guys climbing up to the roof of the hotel and like all this sort of wildness about just unleashing these twenty something dudes you know in in the ussr at that time and like just fact that this music was so popular that they could actually get there and do something like this. So i think You know hopefully it. It gave some insight in a way that people hadn't seen before. I know that it did for me. Tom any thoughts. I actually think also that we were done with the book. I think we'd actually handed it in when the podcast team out. So i think that we. I kinda came out and said oh shit and that there. I am glad that their conclusion is non-conclusive speaking because it would be like off shit now. The whole world knows that it was a cia thing. And we don't. But i think yeah with with the moscow thing in with a lot of the Stories in our book because it's people telling them what's interesting a lot of times the specificities of you know like like there was like like. Oh we all our food and we brought a chef and we brought all our toilet paper to moscow. You know Larry mazer when he sees. It's also interesting that they discuss it like really the rushing kids or the the soviet kids really all the only thing they cared about was ozzy. Scorpions yeah you know. They'd really never heard of jove your skid row or motley crue. They wanted ozzy in linked to a certain extent the scorpions. I don't feel that the scorpions that that. That song is beyond the purview of what they would come up with. Okay you know what i mean. So i don't know if they needed I don't know if they needed outside help but again like i don't know man. I absolutely positively legend. Yeah slowly so. I'm going to switch up normally asked about music. You listen to you. But i'm gonna ask different question. I'm gonna i started. Because i've played with number of the boys over the years i the first question is and ville the greatest band never heard in the us. That's the first question. The second question is what documentary. Do people need to see that. They might not know about about music. Let's see the i don't. I'm not super that crazy. Crazy crazy into invol- so i may not say this my first question. My favorite my favorite comedian band that no one ever heard was a band called the thirty nine steps. Were a punk rock band. Who had one song called I think something into the crowd that was in one and i thought that they were the band. That should have been like a huge punk rock band. The documentary and i'm going to actually be the cardinal Right now of looking it up. Because i i don't want to get the title wrong but i recently saw a documentary about It has nothing to do with metal the rocking the there was a rock against racism documentary that combat like years ago did i just watched it's about like the actual people in england who put out the fanzine and put out The you know in this whole thing together in and then ended up doing this concert in england that they got the clash the head and i saw that that was phenomenal phenomenal. Yeah yeah like this documentary. You're just like because again this when you think about the world of nineteen eighty and how anyone got anything organized. You know what i mean like. How did you do this before. The face spot the instagram. but they're doing fanzines and their opening differ chapters all over the country and everybody's got their own fanzine in their own gigs and they're telling people how to stop skinheads from you know and then finally like you know trying to get to clash in like this whole thing. Are we going to get to class. Or we're going to get the clash you know again because at the march and then the down to the park and then the band hits a stage and just even the last few minutes of that with the live show is just again goosebumps. Yeah i actually just got right next because like again anything where you just see the clash destroy in that era Root boy is a semi documentary. But like all of those things that capture the clash at that time. our If if not circumscribed to two documentaries watch anything any movie with the clash playing and and you will get useless but yeah that documentary is really excellent and very well done about. Oh sorry the canadian band. That should have been huge. Is the killer doors. A lot worse. The killer yeah doors we got. I love their record. The we stated like i love those killer doors records a dirty weapons and stuff like that. Was the ban that i never understood like warranty huge. Why aren't they opening for poison. Like i would've loved the revolves around. Yeah they asked the same question. Yeah it really does for me. Like last words i will offer as i shuffle off this mortal deville richer term. Well to answer the first part of your question. I agree with tom. Like and bill yet. Never did it for me. You know i watched. I did watch that documentary. When it kicked on it was great. Yeah they just one of those bands here. It's like you sort of knew of them. You certainly knew the name kind of new like you heard a song or two but like didn't know the whole story this. The thing was great. I'm i'm happy for them that they it's like ten years later and they actually. They used that documentary successfully to like continue on and have a full career after that. So so good for them. I i listen to them. Send watching that. But but i don't. I don't have any issue with people. It was totally for the question. Document documentaries like i mean. I watched a lot of stuff when we were doing. This booklet. probably watch the decline of western civilization. One like five or six times. Unfortunately you know lately like i. I watched that go-goes one. That came out the beastie boys when they came out which are both grade. I mean anything especially at sort of new york centric to that navy's period is to school. The see you know the the footage from that that time in addition to it being a great story. And the beastie. Boys just been awesome in every way so. That's that's definitely one that i would recommend people checking out the. It's i don't think it's under the radar but nowadays it's like everything is sort of under the radar unless it's your thing so so that's the one i would point to us. I want i. I sorry. I don't have. I do have out but the but one other music documentary. That i think is amazing and It's a huge guided by voices. Fan is watching jumpstart the guided by voices documentary from like ninety. Six is another one of those like own it. I watch it like for pleasure and stuff like that. I'll shut up. I do also mentioned to that. It's white riot. Was the name of that rocking chasm. Yes okay thank you. The book is nothing but a good time. Tom rich. Thank you so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Thank you so much for having us. Yeah this is great. Take talk to you later. Bye stay safe.

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"All right mary. So you mentioned you're married. I am married. Yeah what about you. Yeah i've been dating my beautiful boyfriend for years now but although we've been years together and i moved here for him. He recently found a job in spain. She's working there as an english teacher. Yes i'm here. i'm working from home. I don't see my call for all this by myself in the middle of so see actually have nobody no. There's been really heart so yesterday when when we walked in the war women wonderful saw in from been literally by myself for all this month. We were told this like a lot of love. You see this whole overwhelming. Maybe champions people around me. I think like friendship and good relationships are really good. Sorry report so hard for but as well just myself to now being around his co. people because they are also also it's also so thank you guys sister and talk to well dare i say i think theresa may may be the breakout sausage of the season. The spiciest silliest sausage of the season yeah absolutely absolutely fell in love with her immediately and then we got so. We got comedy from her throughout the episode. And then this very relatable very timely discussion in the work room with sweet sausage moment. Yeah i you know. I also love that. I know it's only episode one but it reminds me in season. Two sister sister was like everyone's confidante for six episodes and feeling vanity. Is you know she's she's the pal. She's the pal in the room. She she talked to river about her. Mom she's talking to theresa about being alone. I'm just like all right. Well mary it begs the pun of you know instead of social justice coroner. It's you know it's like a vanity of vanity fair a moment the vanity vanity. He just you know sitting down with vanity. You know you just kind of feel a little bit prettier. You get to look at yourself for a second. You know what i mean. Absolutely it is and you leave feeling better about yourself. Yes yes so. So theresa may it's. I mean i just have to say my favorite thing about newcastle is my husband's dick very nice. I would like i have. I would like to visit newcastle. I would like to see it mony. I you know. I was watching this at a local bar here. And somebody next to me said you know i think i love that so much because i don't think she's kidding right right. Look kind of thing that that's part of the charm treats says she's making these jokes but i think it's like no i think your boyfriend's dick is huge. I think it's just obscenely large. Yeah or or very nice. You know doesn't happen to be obscenely large. It could be very sure she. She put her hands out. I mean that was the good part of a ruler. So i think it can be both by yes. Yes and will also be stealing. Listen linda i. Do you remember the original and linda right. Listen linda kenyon. It's it's the meam. Yeah yes the kid. Linda lane levy. Listen i mean. Linda listen is such a great drag name. I just listen lindell. Column vanity is being linda. Listen oh god yes. Let's start on listening. Ask linda listen over here. I i mean i. This is stolen. I mean all right. Mary and there's a segment called linda. Leah we advice on patriotic. And it's called listen linda All right mary listen. Linda yes exactly mary and larry well anyway trees i. She is one of about three. That stole my heart this episode and especially with this discussion with vanity. I mean just kind of jump back into the clip of the week. I is so relatable. And i think it's something that i don't think we've seen either the full effects of because the pandemic is not really over over and it's just a different phase and the idea of not being around people or not touching anybody in months is not lost on me and i. I was just so happy to see that there is somebody that i was relating to hard in this work room and reminded me a little bit of season two when they came back and it was like. Oh my god like this is wild. Because we haven't had this in so long. And i think if somebody like theresa may when she's like being around people all these cool people and then she thinks the production crew it seems. Yeah that confessions they just thank you guys thank you. I totally relatable. And i love that. We had that story that that is still something real happening in in. These queens lives absolutely. I really felt like watching that. It was as much as you know in the past year so really kind of making peace that we will have covert era content for lack of a better term that we will have. Tv shows where people wore masks and plotlines that incorporated covert and drag race. Have their plexiglas walls. And you know and those face shields and that this is like a part of that. And i don't know if we'll ever have a moment like this again on the show you may have someone who's like oh i was. I didn't have much of a drag family or not many friends and now i have all these sisters like. We've seen that before. But i think you're saying it's like this is like i've been in social deprivation for months and it just feels so good to hug somebody. This is a whole other level. And i think we may look back on this as like. Wow that was both beautiful and fucked up. You know what i mean. Yeah that do you know exactly. I mean there are all these messages from celebrities or even politicians or just friends. That are like you're not alone. You're not alone. And i'm sitting here like no. I'm very like very. And i remember the first time. I hugged touched. Somebody My an acquaintance of mine from new york was passing through town with this guy that he was dating And we saw each other on the street and we hugged. And i i did all i could to not make it uncomfortable for him. Because i i was a wreck when he was hugging me and i had to just like put it all back in and then taken to a pizza place you know what i mean that that that that idea people in the fan. You know the answer the phone. No hello. yeah exactly. I you know i just you know how that reminder even if you're introverted how much i miss people around me. I mean a lot of people. I feel like had their pods right and they had their special things but this story that you know he's living or was living with his boyfriend going back to spain or his husband going back to spain. It's like shit like what timing you know. Yeah yeah exactly. it's just like. Oh god i mean the idea that you moved here to be with him and now he's moved back to spain for a job. I mean like oh. Henry is spinning in his grave. Right now you know It makes me candy by real bad. I got her a hairbrush but she cut her hair. God anyway mary i. I love trees. May there's a lot of quotes from trees. May this episode but one in particular These british party games are a piece of piss. I appreciate yeah. Yeah i Assume that's an expression i've heard that before. Okay i mean. I prefer over pissed if i'm going to be honest. Pound for pound mouthful for per mouthful like prefer cake. But you know. Wow that's so refreshing. I never you want refreshing. Let them eat k. Yeah exactly well wonderful. Yeah theresa may definitely bringing the heart of the season very early. There were some other ones. That i can't wait to talk about this episode. What were your thoughts on this premier. Mary well you know overall i i enjoyed it. I you know it was funny watching the opening and kind of the little review about season two in in the context of keeping people spirits up during tough times and it was like. Oh there's that lens as well that late they were doing. The lord's work keeping keeping us calm to carry on so to speak. And i saw you kind of go in with that and then it's like okay that we loved all that and season to his beloved and i think a lot of people may i. I know i will always feel a certain affinity for season two of drag race. Uk because it it did come at the right time and give me what i like. The right amount of distraction. Enjoy and fun. It did do more than a regular drag races. And i'll give them that but it kind of makes you feel like oh my going to get big shoes to fill season three and Like right away. I was like oh outwear. Wear these new shoes. These are comfortable. i like everybody. I had a good time. It was a classic drag race episode. It was me challenge in a couple of runways a couple of workroom moments. A couple couple of thing. You know i mean i got everything. I was certainly bummed. About a new bes-. I have to be honest. I i understand decision making based on the runway but like personality wise in bucket hat. I really like to be a new best. Oh bucket hat yeah. I love a bucket hat. Mehr giving me like early two thousands boy band you know i just wanted to skip the puka. Shell necklace on while you fuck me. That's all. I'm and the and the bucket hat. Yeah oh like. I want sex that smells like fierce by abercrombie and fetch i that smell. I'll do anything smell. Yeah you know the whole episode one takeaway was that it. It gave me okay. Great cast. i wasn't ever like when's this person going to get off the screen. So i did. I was interested in all of them and there have been drudgery seasons. I'm like all right next. You know who next l let me know also stage yeah shady. That's tempest your quote. I i also love that. There were two lip. Syncs it. I don't owe for people that have heard me talk about drag allstars. The one thing that's missing and drag race all-stars with the lip syncs stakes. Like real staying at so you. Sometimes they're kind of disappointed by the top lip syncs or the lip sync versus the assassin But this one. I it felt important. It felt like there were steaks and it was a really great lip. Sync took pick apart for so many reasons and we will definitely pick that apart. And then you know you obviously got the one after the new electric. But i like that surprised. I was not expecting it. I like the surprise. I will say and when we get to get to it. I different feelings on how well the lip syncs when particularly the top. Tulips sink i. I thought that it wasn't a total eclipse of the heart. i would say it was a partial eclipse. Oh yeah. I just it. It did not. let's talk about it now. do i tiptoe around it. I'll say this crystal in the face. We're i mean the bonnie tyler of all. I'll say that oh man. It's christo chris paul. It's bonnie tyler. I told you like. She looked like bonnie tyler. She it was i. I am glad that crystal one. I didn't expect it because vicky was making rules. Laugh more but it just. I don't know it just didn't have enough like you know there wasn't enough like meet in the sauce. You know for me it might have. It might have been the just the edit of the song that they showed. That song is epic. Oh i love that song. Yeah but i. I had a different experience. I thought this was fantastic. You bet victoria. Who had this journey with comedy you know using props you know the the sandwiches wiping her tears and then she takes off the disks and then start selling it in a more emotional way and then ends with the comedy with you know Getting helped up by therese. Oh and then hitting her and turning around bewildered that was it was a very interesting lip sync to watch bristol. You mean that's read back stealing. Show those fingers of drag race. Oh well that's what i said. Yeah yeah trees. Those hands being the castaneda. Mary all the queen's lip synching during that song and then also little mix. The background made these things even better. Does that make sense. The background is where it's at. The background is where it's at. I just that is something. I hope continues all season. We even got some michelle lip synching. They andrew yes. Michelle live michelle living during total eclipse of the heart. I just i wanted i just. It is such a great song. And i i wanna see lake. I wanna see tears. i wanna see boogers. I want to see. I want viola davis up there. You know what i mean. That's what i need you know mary. Yes yes there's no question crystal. It's christmas stall you. Christopher says she that face mary she killed this salt. I just thought that this was. This was an impeccable lip sync. She didn't miss a beat because her face was so beat. I just thought it was so powerful. I granted yes mary absolutely. It could have gone to a iowa davis level. It could have really been there. But i think that there was a a shot of ru looking at crystal and i just heard in ruse head like she's nineteen. Yeah you know it's interesting that the one who won this challenge and the one who went home is nine. That is a really good call. The fact i mean they made such a big deal of it. And then you know even ru pointing out to a new best. Like i also know that you're nineteen years old right wiser quote. My my head is housewives. Nineteen times oh yeah it's married. Thank god it was gonna lose my mind. If we didn't solve that would immediately cheese nineteen and then i was going to nyu lonnie and it was just all day mary. She had a birthday nine. Deasy exactly exactly yes. Marriage area. Flip over listen. Listen listen. listen lindsey nine thousand nine times nine hundred times so she but reuss states during that. I think that's it's very rude looking at aquaria. Like oh my god. You're jen ru juries. Look you go. You got work done on your face. I think she loves that. You know she loves how into this she is. It's certainly. i mean it'll be interesting in the same way watching a query coming in with the point of view of. Oh here's this young queen but here's the young queen clearly knows references in clearly has a strong point of view. And so. there's an intriguing. That and i think i'm here for it. I think crystals confessional looks like that that snapchat baby filter and so that's always oh okay but But i'll give it to her in this lip sync. This was so much more than i was expecting. I was kind of expecting that vicky was gonna kill it and was going to win and it was gonna be of the groundbreaking moment and would have fell. That's sweet but but let's make sure we give the person who wins the lip sync right. Let's also do yeah. Yeah and honestly with these edits they can edit it anyway. Maybe they're mistakes. That crystal made that we didn't see we did see one lip sync mistake with victoria show. Yeah they showed that. And it's like okay. you know they. They're doing their job and that's fine and maybe there were more. Who knows but i do like that. Both them came off as experts. Right like victoria knew what the fuck she was doing. It was a journey comedy stuff. She was doing was all really nuanced it. Just yeah i. I think maybe crystals makeup benefited that i could kind of see more nuances. That could see her eyes. You know that difference. Yeah i i don't know i was living and you know what that song and that's why also loved that. They showed rue and michelle lip synching. They don't always show rude lip synching now. They showed both of them live singing to the song. That's the type of song that you sing along to. Or hewlett sing along. because it's it's that primal. it's yeah oh that song is in the music videos bonkers. It's just inside absolutely insane. It's definitely like a pop video. Classic for anyone totally see. Yeah that's the one with. It's like a panther right panthers. There's there's a altar servers with glowing. Eyes has yeah. There's it's yeah. She's at a school. Oh yeah she she's like she's like a headmistress or something or a teacher to school i it might all be turn of the screw related any. I have no idea. But i will say that when i was a young gay. I acquired a single of the nicki french cover of total clips of the heart. Actually i got her whole album cassette and i played the shit out of that so for anyone who remembers. There's a cover of total eclipse the heart from the nineties. That know it's good. I loved it when i was twelve. Total eclipse of the heart. I get. I always think it's going to be a meatloaf song. I think meatloaf was involved with toe clips of the heart right. But i always think it's going to be. I would do anything for. There's a wet aspect of it yeah. I'm always expecting him to come in. I hear you. it has the same like an eye. Yeah and sometimes. I hear meatloaf songs and i'm like. Where's bonnie tyler. Yes yes right. Yeah no dad. Yeah no for sure If we're on these lip sync. Let's talk about the last one. Joey i would love to Sweet melody by little mix. This is such a great fucking song. Little mixes great like everybody knows and i love that. All the girls for both of these songs were thinking along. I think that just shows the joy in the room but this had mary. We talked about this very recently. On one of our patriot. Episodes are only mary episodes. But this had. I think it was michelle calling out. How did it when when elektra when electric does like the balance yes. Oh yes oh. Mary's we didn't only marries episode on michelle living for the lip sync. And so if you want to hear that you can become an only mary. Patron dot com slash. All right mary. A rare moment during lipson is when a judge audibly calls out something to the queen as if she were at a club and michelle right. Yes and you hear it. When they're showing the it's sometimes you'll see them call out but they're showing the judge but it's rare when it's both yeah and it was michelle which you know was talking about and that episode. I think it's a good song. I first of all does this lip sync not remind you in so many ways of candy. Ho versus tempest is your if you think about harry. No there's no question about it because tempest is your temperatures your vibe from look similar within netting. The one is small one is this little mean. Dancer you know going come on public school and doing the hands doing the little hands hands. I did them. And i was like wow. She even spun her little net thing. And i was like i think yes. Is that at some point. One thinks so too once. You spend your thing it's over. I think so. You know it's over you know you're just. You're just marking time. Because she was. She was spinning what she could couldn't spend much else in that she couldn't couldn't spin the song she just couldn't make it happen. I okay so. I think this is a great song. There is a part of me and go with me. I never wanna see this lip sync ever again. And here's why electric fence. This look makes me so uncomfortable. Everything about it makes me uncomfortable. The look on her face makes you uncomfortable. The makeup makes me uncomfortable. She looks like alice ripley. Doing a tick tock. It is so uncomfortable. And i don't know why and i just i don't know why either y'all my god it is and i think she's supposed to look manic and crazy and whatnot and i get that but lake. I is a visceral reaction. That i can't explain this is not me. Reading electro filth. This is just me being honest. I don't know i'm putting this out there. Because i'm hoping somebody else's like yeah me too. I just didn't like this little girl. I just didn't want her. It'd be dancing television anymore. This character that she was playing in this. Look you know so. Hey i know what you're talking about. But i when i see the blue around her mouth first of all that reminded me of last season. I think But it's that little girl who is having the sugar rush with the cotton candy s and that makes me think of little girls at birthday parties and that fabulous mean that came out where the little girl blows out the candle for the other girls town. Yes it also. It reminds me of that little clip of the little girl. It looks like she's coming home from a birthday party. And she's in the back seat and she's got glitter smeared on her face. Oh her in the car seat and there's music on the radio in the background. It's us looks at the camera lake. Oh man i'm tripping hard. I've enroll in all night. You know that ballpit did girl gouden. I'm gonna now. I got twenty four minutes in not a single bad british accent. And i just wanna meant good for you mary. I'm proud of you proud of you Yeah but listen. But so i hear you and i thought that you were going to be disappointed. That a new vist did not win because a newest did well brought comedy thought. She had great faces. I thought that it was there. It's just a lecture had this this dance while factor which is interesting. Because victoria's comedy didn't win last one and in this one. This is comedy didn't win. I wonder if i wonder if it was like such a toss up. Where like yeah. They could have sent a lecture home but they sent a new home mostly because of the look because mary the income face. Now i know. I just i like personality wise. I just liked. I was just more drawn to. I'd like you know her her intro kind of the the initial like i'm odd. I'm outrageous and overweight overweight and the bucket had there's just an energy about a new best and also the opportunity to say new bes- that i was really attached to it and so the last fifteen twenty minutes of the episode was just like no no. They're not gonna no. I mean i know. They loved river with that point and everything. But and i think they might still send your home necklace in new home but watching it a second time. It was like yeah. That was rough. You know the look was rough. And you know i- how much you love a new business in the confessionals. I love electric and the confessionals. I don't know. Maybe it's because i'm a little a pretty attracted to elektra. I just when you give me freckles. All over your body. I i just my ears. An is pirka that makes sense. Put it all on the ears and the eyes mary. Listen i liz liz. I think she's adorable adorable. Ed some a little bias but you know and not to knocker lip sync. I thought her lips was also great. She had every single beat and she made it dance and she did what she knows how to do dance. Do i think that electra is going to be a front runner. I don't think so. I think this is some on on the fence. Yeah i'd say. The wattage is low but not a lot of buzz about her yet. You know oh my god. I can't oh god Well well her favorite can't think of good. I'm glad you so. I i want to be positive. Not negative about it. What does it have to do with. Electrcity will the negative and the positive. I want to be positive. Oh it's like who who is bleeding. Yeah i'm the worst. The worst your liver. What was not prepared to. When i was not prepared with electric puns. Not worrying that went under the wire Oh wow oh. Wow i have some other ones certainly house but it was not about Electric fence just keeping was so cute. She was so cute. Cute little button on five two and a little bit love her a little bit. Well let's can we. Maybe just you know by order of entrance may be just do some. Maybe we can do thoughts on the queens and there looks all in one fell. Let's do that. Yeah yeah absolutely. And as things kind of come up If we 'cause obviously there was a mini thing or a- a mini challenge and. There was a work room but we'll just. Yeah let's just talk about each of these queens so ronnie green is back on. Yeah yeah ron's back painted green deja vu and the thing is is. She is now the oldest in the work room. One thing that she did mention is like she doesn't have to prove herself to the other girls which i think is great but with that said mary. These other girls have away different energy than running green. There's something i gotta tell you. There's something i gotta tell you. There's something listen. Linda listen listen she might be a little ripe for this bronco green i. I my notes. Ron returns in drag looking like chorus leach. Men as alpha out of dragging fuller from home alone. I mean i just wanna see ron. Green and scarlet harlot drag doing home alone scenes between kevin and fowler on the third floor. I just want ryan green to be sipping a pepsi and looking at scarlet. Yes mary no. I'm living for that fantasy. Absolutely speaking of which tangent. There's a really great post. I think that i i made sure that you had seen it already. Knew i didn't see it to me. Oh okay so there's this great me. Mont going around online of a a return to home alone. It's like not home alone three but you know it's the next home alone but it's mccully kokin as a forty year old who's married. Who's gay and married to dan. Levi's character of derek and they live in the upper west side. Townhomes that kevin's uncle had and he works carnegie hall which is a nod to maggie and anyway so they have to go home for christmas to see catherine o'hara in their old house and help her pack it up because they're you know she's recently widowed and oh my god. The whole post is so perfect until the last two. When i'm like oh it's a joke. Gets a little bonkers. Yeah yeah. I would like to believe that maybe either. There's something on the apartment door. Maybe they have a little something on the wall. That's to turtledove in. Kevin like my one as many nods as possible. I would like to see one of the rooms. Have that forest green of the original house for sure. Yes yes lovely cheese pizza. They're going to live in new york. I think i need to see a shot of him. Eating a slice of pizza and doing a lot with dan. you know. yes yes. There's some old movie on it's another sequel to maybe it starts and then dan levi's like oh not this again. He turns it off right right right. Yeah exactly yeah. He watches it every chris. I i'm all for it. You know the mac and cheese and kevin makes mac and cheese and sits down and then gets up and then derek like no sit down and finish them. Eat the mac and cheese. Try it trust us this thirty years in the making no. I'm and i. I love the idea of derek is interacting with catherine o'hara towards the end of movie. And she's like i. Will you see the earrings right. You the earrings just as much. Just as just as much as she can get in there anyway tangent over a kid he's got caused can't clause skinny clause and i don't scare cats caused i. I love kitty got claws. I think i'm going to say her name wrong. All the time ari so just. Yeah skinny scott close. He's got claws. Yeah i i love a reference queen and a for whatever reason it so random that she made the celia black reference. She said she's not a journalist. Ladies and gentlemen she's not a blind data at all that is like i don't know how i know it. I know why i know it. I know it. Because i was dating somebody that made me watch the show and i know. The it wasn't the brumby. Who showed me. That would have been really. Yeah but it wasn't. But so. I know this quote and so when she said i was like i know. References drag race uk. So mary she celia black was the host of blind date or blind date for a pretty long time and this was it was just this moment. It's one of those pop cultural moments. Anyway she made this quote. I'm excited for kitties. Got claws to to give me all of the reference. I'm just so excited. She had me at. My son is in the kitchen eating a biscuit. I love that. I looked it up. I believe whatever. Mary's also told us. But i looked it up. What's eating sharon's biscuit. I looked up a video that had a remix ever saying. Do you want to hear the remix. Still everyone's gonna love this out to hulu ad for the white lotus. Oh no hold on. They're not paying ago. That's not that's the movie. Penelope wife's i am a friend enhance children scrubber i am wow. Barry's while well. I'm really excited for her. She she was giving me so comfortable. Doing this lawrence cheney vibes. I really like her. She also out of drag. I and i know that our uk. Mary's we'll be able to identify this but there is this kind of reaction. Gif of i think it's you know britain's got talent but it's some guy in the audience doing a big shocked face reaction to something and it looks exactly like skinny cat claws at. Do you know what i'm talking about. No okay i'm gonna do is shocked. I'll send it to you and you'll see it shocked. Audience guy gif. I bet it's the dairy is. What if you google shocked audience guy. Gif. 'cause i try to. Yeah i'll do it after all day after your reaction now. Oh my god. that's right. He does look like a river medway. Mary river medway little goose. Can we say that i like. I mean much like goose. She says she's bullshit and geese love to poop. I do like that. Unlike the queen's this is such a drag race uk thing unlike the american queens who come in. And they're like i am the biggest fiercest bitch in the land. Rivers like yeah. I'm full of shit. I'm not very well known. I think the expectations are going to be low of me. But you know work. And i and i like her more immediately because of that well and then she had that runway moment where rupaul loses her shit in the same way. That utica queen. Maybe oh when you get that kind of scream laugh. I mean that's and she played. And then you keep doing you. Es kept tickling her. Yeah oh my god. Oh my god oh that was such a brilliant look to her. Her runway seemed very pointed Right now that's the one. She prepared folks. Well you know it's they're gonna come flowing out of will yeah. I don't give a damn. Mary i i bank the earlier. I'm going to read her to fill I i. I have to say if this is one of the best looks. That came down the runway. And don't get me wrong mary. I understand it wasn't the best look but to sell this this way. First of all the hair was very creative right. She could have easily just like may cone hat. Yeah but she made a cone hair which you know. Granted like her second. Look i get right pedestrian. It wasn't up to the level of some of these other girls on the runway wasn't like it was a bad look. She looked gorgeous but it was a real. I mary come on. I mean it was a brown room. Shit stepped out on stage. Yeah music made the people leading cover michelle. No she the yeah. There was some wrong notes. It was pretty flat. If you will. i wasn't in the right keno but the first one. The first one is what kept her. And i'm so happy that it did. Because i think she is. It's worth seeing more of her because of what she was able to do with this. She wasn't taking herself too seriously. She was selling the fuck out of it. I think that's that's what i wanna see. Wanna look so look half of these. Look someone made for these queens. So it's not really represent them. It's representative their friends and their budget and so river came out in the first look. You can't buy that. You can buy that moment of making rule laugh and knowing knowing what to how to keep them laughing the end that i wanna to see more of that in a bad look more than i wanna see. You know somebody who's just walking up and down the runway and good luck. Yeah right right. I think what's interesting is. I will remember that. Look more than crystal mercedeses a you know. She put the pushing in the key in a way. I feel like we've seen that before we've seen a lot of cat. Looks and leopard. We a lot of them. It's happened a lot and so you know. Yeah anyway. I think like i. That's why i think river is kind of notable. We didn't really talk about scott clause and her looking which were i don't know it's not that they're not worth looking at. It's just she very well could have been in the bottom. Does that make sense. She even admits that she looks like mother. Teresa doing abba. And i thought that is very true Well she's on the show she safe because she can say that phrase jackley and i if i saw her i don't care what she's wearing. We're keeping her for five episodes minimum. Yes this same with ronnie green. You're not going to send ryan grim. I yeah even if even if some of those runway looks were game over. Mary you know i oh mary i know reset and then blow in exactly blow in the cartridge ron. I just don't know about this one up down up down. Aba enter you know a. Yeah i i. The padded pants jumpsuit. It was hair the hair. I was expecting more from ronnie greed. I i like the cotton luck but it was a little simple i. it wasn't. I think the only thing i liked about it was the lisa stansfield joke. But she still can't find your baby Oh i don't know that. Oh you don't. Oh you don't know that song been around the world you probably have heard it at a pool club at some point as a kid or a dentist office. Oh i love a dentist. Cintas office musically. John cicadas dentist office. Museum music yeah. I understand yeah. Scarlet harlot is someone to watch scarlett. I she described herself as danny dyer of drag. I've google danny dyer. He looks like a man. Somebody telling me what that means. I think scarlet is gucci and indeed out of drag very macaulay culkin quality that i uh in drag in the entrance. Look tell me if you picked up a little bit of a little bit of early era. Gaoyao vibe in there with us away about her that i was like honey. Just i went there But certainly not personality your voice. She was she the one that was somebody said come on cotton. Yes dot com. Yeah who is a dod cotton. We're in eastern. Look she's more like dot rotten. You had no. It was great. It was i. I thought that was a really great little moment that they highlight. I love her accent Sunday she's she's very charming In and out of drag You know in terms of her look She was in the top and i agree The pearl look was really really beautiful. I was getting florence and the machine. All of them up on the runway. Yeah all of the machines And then her her music look. It didn't matter what her looked like. But because she said up mini yeah. She sold the overall idea. I think if she didn't have the key the wire in underpants going up don't know right there was there was a thorny meets dusty dusty rebuttal to that kind of But she sold it really really well and it was conceptual. You didn't need like music notes. However i did appreciate the read of charity case in the workroom after the runway. When she's like well. I don't really get it and somebody was like. Yeah she's right like she has a headset on. And the other one has like a full on fucking jack in the box. Dick yeah even even scarlet was like no i get it you. There's your look is more involved more complex than mine Yeah and when we get to charity case i will. I will make a case for charity. That's in solidarity. That'll be good are you. Can you can write it off on your taxes next year. It'll be nice So everybody wins in the end. Don't they We'll scarlet harlot she. She's she's one to watch. I think she's going to go probably think that she's got a commentator energy she's reality. Tv of things she's charming. She's funny You know interesting looks yeah. I think scarlets really exciting vanity. Milan is one of the queen's that besides sides being the vanity to talk to was a little loss episode. I have to agree i You know as as was once said you know on drag race. It's the truth gar. I i did find her to get a little bit lost. I think even on the runway. I was like i love estonia. I was like. I'm sure estonia's great but it was just kind of like but don't you like other things you know That for more exciting look or maybe she was. There's something about estonia. That's a little more fashionable. That's all i'm saying she. She made it to swallow. She made a bird on the runway right so birds on the runway and milan. I didn't even get bird though. I it a bird. She a bird. She was swallow it. That's what her look was kind of choked a little bit. Yeah oh there you go marry I she is and then you know her. I look obviously with the jamaicans. South london It was cool it. It was as cool as you know. Kitty scott clause or veronica. You know what. I mean it was mid. Yeah and i'm not going to remember it. You know what. I mean. Certainly i i think this this one just to save this week just a safe just as safe and we'll see what happens With vanity milan going forward. I hope that there's more to learn about her Elevate day Had the biggest reaction. When i was at the bar in terms of her being screen. Because she's a very cute boy. Yeah so i. I think that l. is also kind of just middle of the road from me right now I think that looks aside like i. Just think that. So far mike okay. I mean the runway looks didn't really pop for me. I think anyone who comes in. And it's like well. Here's my cv. Who know as they say i. It's a little too american drag race for me dirty slag no the room you know. Yeah yeah yeah. And i thought her second look was pretty progressive. Right it was. I it girl. Look at my halo. I'm sorry it was a little on the knows it was. I'm very progressive. You know right no it was. It was a pride outfit and it was a little bit like do something else. I did love the hair and you know. I love a flag. Look and a flag very bagging a flag who particularly in drag and. I don't know you'll know this. But i'm putting it out there. There is someone that alabama day looks like and drag some actress. And i can't place it and every season there's one and mary's i'm killing me who does l. o. Look like well i know. She reminds me of out of drag okay. Maybe that'll help. It's like it's a cross between peewee. Herman and alan coming definitely see that yes. Yes yes yes. I definitely see all of that. Put lake not is interesting out of drag. Yeah lake i i. I don't know who l. She's not gonna type you know. I'm not getting a real personality yet from ella but who knows midway through the season i could be having a great day right. I mean i love her name. Elevate is a great drag name. I love that. She's from diagonally. And i'm just gonna. I'm just gonna leave it there mary Diagonally alvin alleys brother diagonally. Oh wow it's a harry potter reference. And that's okay. So theresa may theresa. We've we've talked about. I in terms of theresa's looks what are your thoughts. The art look was my absolute favorite on the runway. One love she painted the hat loved. It loved it just the one that i sat up. You know i just really. I love treats. I'm loving seeing on social media. It looks like there's a consensus that people are really falling for her. And i love seeing that happen and i feel i'd like to believe that it's happening. Not just because oh i'd love her looks or she made that funny joke but because there's a personality there that people are like gravitating towards because i feel that i feel like she seems like a real goose. Yes agreed. I wanna make a case for charity case because i think charity case should have won this runway. I mean i think that is going to be a longer thing. Look at because. I was watching this week. And i thought this is pure monster drag and and it's very extensive. You know like everyone you watch dracula. It's like even the looks that don't win our extensive often and so it's like funds so much more than just you know painting your face so much more drag and so it does raise that question of like why. What would it take for charity to a win for that drag to win. It was just not her week. 'cause i hear what you're saying it was really like you would have to be like in the top instead of scarlet. Maybe know holy totally. Mary i gotta say and then also just man statement of not tucking and having a hairy chest Just to just to do that and be like yup. I'm doing in fuck you. Why do you care if i have a penis. Women have penises just like that statement alone like. Why do you care if i'm tucked. Well i mean just to come out there and do you know why do we need. Why are we even concern. Isn't the whole season of not caring. What's between people's legs. I mean correct. Greco's both ways and i am totally fine to see that charity is clearly not talking. I am not cherry not playing a quote unquote woman on stage by the way. She's she's at least in terms of our definition of a woman who should be talking the illusion that say crystal is doing is right. The illusion the illusion that charities doing does not require tucking whether or not she's the woman male or a male or whatever. There is no expectation that that character with the rotting clown face may or may not have testicles right why are you so concerned with her gender and her genitals right. She's saying she's a woman and that you know that's her woman looked and the fact that she made that rose look mary. Yeah i i mean. That look was brilliant. It was so good. It was a standout from a reminded me in creepy -ness of saint in resurrection with that ghost. Look yeah it was at creepy thing was like i love this is i'm very excited about. We've skipped a few but since charity. Let's just can finish on charity or you know could be complete on charity. I think that she is certainly the one. I'm in terms of like each runway or each look the one. I'm kind of keeping an eye out. For because i know it's going to be a thing you know same. I and i hope it's a thing. I hope her reading is an what can you do. Glamour i hope that they don't say that to her because mary the freak show. Look the jack in the box. Like first of all think about that pun right like that is brilliant and then to back it up with the statement. You don't have to be beautiful to be seen as fantastical is something that we that the show i think hasn't explored yet. It's something dragged talks about constantly. And yes i am all here for. We've been we've talked about this of lake. There might be queens on dracula this season. Who looked like they could do. Rupaul strack raised. There's a queen and drag race. He looks like you drag ula great Totally i want that kind of crossover. Why shouldn't we want that. You know exactly your point does will. She asked to change her look. Will she be given the ginny. Lemon you know. I i hope not and can we just appreciate charity case sitting on those couches with the other contestants just the feeling of like so many people have that feeling of being in a room full of like huns and gorgeous people and then here on this slobbering on totally yeah. She just eat charity. Case is the queen of the people. I total scream so good i yes so i'm just living for the difference here. Will it get old. Will she'll be able to continue. I don't know. But i seen so impressed far and i think that's something you know like i even i feel like hey love the masks but sometimes i wanna see that you know yeah Yeah so i. I'm excited by her. And in my opinion and it's just an opinion. Mary's charity charity. Case was the standout this week for right. Yeah yeah yeah. I i totally. I mean. I could have gotten together with a top of flake. Charity treats I think you know vicki. Scone was on the top. So let's talk about her on that. Yeah the thing. I wanna see but victoria vic just so you know. We don't know her. I don't know if you folks her wherever this everyone gets a nickname. And so vicki sco is much like ski cat claws. It's just what happens. May be elizabeth elizabeth vide at some point. All right never knows vicky stone. You know the things they loved about her. The most is that she's giving me britney brittany murphy brittany murphy and drop dead gorgeous in talking heads like she does the kind of laugh you know that character. The characters kind of like laugh at herself. Yeah yeah. I got it. And i appreciate it Good i think she's. She's such a goose in the talking yes she seems very such very late. There's humility i. I think it's very interesting to watch. There is so much pressure being put on her. And then you see her. Reacting is like yeah yeah you may. I don't need to be carrying the torch for every a fab queen out there. I just wanted to carry the torch for me right now so you know what i mean. I and i think that's so fabulous because in a season where we should not consistently bring in queens down to their genitals. It's like we don't even need the fab her right. It's just like this is another drag queen. You know what i mean. I mean that's the thing is like as soon as the episode gets going. I'm lake once again. I couldn't tell you which one of them has. Who knows what down there and i. It doesn't make a difference. I'm so happy. They're making a thing of this because it shouldn't be thing you know what i mean. It's like a big deal of something so that you can see that. It's not but i. I don't think they need to make a big deal of it anymore. Because it's not you know what i mean. It's not yeah. And the term a fab is even. It's falling out of popularity because it is doing something of a disservice right. It shouldn't be about that. So let's just let we're all human in the words of vicky scone. We're all human some of us. Yeah at it becomes a qualifier in the same way that you know you're nineteen becomes a qualifier instagram queen. And that may not be fair. So i think runway looks. Were great you know. She deserved to be in the top. And oh and she. She made rule laughter during the mini challenge. Just canada. she didn't make it. Oh my god. Oh my god i mean. They were doing the mini challenge and i think it was crystal was trying to get them to get mary poop. And then it cuts to vicky in the talking heads. And she's like just pooping she still coupons. I thought that was also funny. It's so nice to allies in the workroom. I just want to say that. As well i just oh by just it makes me feel good. Yeah come on. let's. Yeah it's like that billy on the street What did he do he was like i love lesbians and then he went out like went on the street and got lesbians to have a. I don't know they had some sort of like sam peed or something. I don't know something that happened on the internet l. Let's be on jan internet. Victoria's looks obvious. If you come out the i look to come out and to be that big and that drag you know you have to. You have to applaud it absence. That's what you wanna see. I yeah that's what you wanna see something that big. She put the pedal to the metal. If you will spring and right into action. Mary okay just proving. You don't need a statement to drag just laying down roots. I you know. I really appreciated that. Look and then her second look eat all this. Put that on a towpath. Yeah yeah i would put that onto or on a tank top or on a perry shorts. Yeah eat all this. Yeah another great drag. Look also sending up the leigh bowery and it's also very british She looked great Why does she remind me in that luck of another. Why do i. Why have i seen discs like that before. Yes we have I know that in terms of that thing there was a premier that alexis michelle went to for season nine where she had like address with that kind of shelf on it I think we have seen another leigh. Bowery inspired look that maybe had these discs as well. I can't give it. But i know are. Mary's oh nina west nina west are mary lee beaten to the punch because it was nina west going to try to let the kids open a prisoner to but okay but all right You're making me. You're making me seem. Like i'm a villain was funny. I was about to say like well. I think our mary's will stop it. Okay never mind but you're right. It was nino us. Yes yeah great. She did that face. Skinny Yeah mary poop. And i definitely Who are we missing here. A new a new kind of talked about a little bit you know. She had no one liners as she said in the beginning right. Now yeah i. Yeah not right either. Something about her. I mean a new bes- especially like talking heads bucket hat. I was like there was there was a really hot lifeguard at the camp kind of energy and camp. Counselor guard energy. I would probably try to see up his shorts while he's sitting in the little lifeguard booth. Yeah there you mean like there was just a he. I felt like if he was my swimming instructor. When i was a kid i'd be. I'd have a huge crush on him. Got it well. He's nineteen nineteen nine teen. Not now me now. I mean no. I know i'm old enough to be as i know. I know what you mean. I know i was just going. I had no other. What else say pouring new the the looks. I had to look up the helter skelter brighton. Pier moment and i was like. Oh okay i get it And i just didn't get the reference. It's fine it was fine love again but the inky look with rough it was. I mean i understood so yeah but anyway. I'm bummed but there's so many people in this that i love that it's like hey you know. Get the heartbreak in early. You know get used to it. Yeah heartbreak hotel. Oh yeah heart you know. Kelly prices missing speaking heartbreak hotel. Oh electr offense founder. Electric fence I don't know if we talk too much about her. Looks i love that. She came out and said whack that kettle on she gasping. All right huns. I'm just like oh. There's an alright huns now i just i. I'm not. I don't know what it is. I'm just not it hasn't clicked for yet and some queens had happened where the first couple of episodes like mama queen drag race hall. And then by the end i was like adopt me electric. I it just not not hooked yet. I'm not plugged in yet. you know. Yeah and her looks. I know didn't wow you and even the coalminer look you know really went to valerie. Cherish from come oh. I don't know what they're doing but she's a coma. Yeah you know. What i thought was really funny was when When she came out. Look and then rupaul was like oh check out that carbon footprint and i was like the irony. Oh no own. What the fracture talking about. Oh the fracking. No not this was yes yes. This was very hunger games. Twenty two not seventy four. If you remember cads ever dean pedo malarkey were. They had to be coal like when they come out. Wow hungry games. Deep cuts yes deep cuts and so this was. It just was a little flat. Let's yeah yeah it was i And then yeah and then she came out in that in that kid look and i just was so uncomfortable i just i just. You're having a ten. I was having such. I was like i don't want to be at this birthday party anymore. I'm calling uber. I don't like this kid. So i just didn't like this kid bollocks and well we should talk about christopher saatchi a little bit more. She comes in with a huge energy mary. She invented tits energy. yes she invented. She's nineteen she invented. Pets yeah invented tits. She jen ru. She's you know that quote blossom into a goddess. Like she is i. I did not expect this from the meet. The queen's this type of entrance. Yeah i it. Certainly a lot of confidence in a lot of self assurance and there is that part of me. That's like i understand that. Nineteen means different things to different people but just merely having a sense of history or say even being in your twenties tends to a ford you like a little more experienced than based decisions on and so i guess why question is like or my what i'm interested in is like. How much does this carry over throughout the rest of the season like how much this confidence and this energy carryover to just like interactions out of drag. You know like. That's where. I kinda wanna see because it was interesting watching aquaria. For example a young queen would all these references and was really fashion forward and that became one of her subplots in the season was her struggles to kind of interact or not get stuck behind your own words or whatnot. And so i i am curious about like who crystal is out of drag. I respect when she says it's her body. her choice. Read a plastic surgery. i think. Oh god plastic surgery at nineteen. That means you're doing maintenance for the rest of your life. That's all you know Hey she's she knows what she wants. I i think. I don't want to say like oh i wanna see her vulnerable and whatever but she didn't mention in hurried the queen's that she's also silly and we got to see some of that during the mini challenge. But i am curious to see who she is out of drag like. Who is it who is not who is behind the confidence. I don't want her to stop being confident. I want her to be confident. The whole time and arrogant. And all of that. Like i work quinn to you. But i also want to know what. It's like to have a pet with her exactly. Yeah well i guess in the uk. Certainly not here because she's not legal so totally away to roll back. I just realized because on my notes. And i just thought i should ask and i feel like we will probably get some insights from our british mary's uk. Mary's etcetera. i. I have heard both pronunciation vicky code and vicky scon- and while i love to mispronounce things repeatedly i'd love to know i'd love to know how i i i've been saying scone. I've been saying going. Well we say scone. And they say scott i think like she even says in her entrance line. There's nothing like woman scott's right gone you know. Turn the light yeah. It's a bright idea. But i just wanted to put that out there. Is it just a pronunciation thing. Or is this melbourne melbourne. All over again. You know. I know. Scott i say scone and i. That's how i think we're supposed to say it's like don't say no let's say croissant frisson. Yeah just accept. You know accept All right i just need to bring that up back to crystal. I do also want to mention you mentioned Valerie cherish and i felt like crystals runway was very valerie. Cherish in the green screen outfit like caught in a trellis. Look like her little. Golf cart crashed into something on the way to set. Yeah there's no voice val there's no voice. There's no violence. There's just there's a face though. She has a fucking case. Queen has been practicing for years has made a face for her to paint. You know i. I will say the cat look is more memorable. It was giving me pearl snake. Look because of the head piece and whatnot but she she can fucking paint and granted. I feel plus in this cage. Honey is very quotable at the same time. i feel like she's that's not really hurriyet. Does that make sense. Well yeah the one thing. I noticed you know because you love to catch people in those little moments. But when she when she says at line she goes and i feel pushed in this cage. Honey you gotta have that one ready. If you're going to do it do it. You can't you know we can't stumble. If you're going to be har- season three and season three. Now you know yeah stumble. I will be calling her crystal versus You know the face rams with versus so it's fair. She might be christine. sometimes she might be okay You know skits crystal crystal skinny skinny cat. Klaus might be kristin scott thomas eventually like. There's there's a lot to. I might wanna culture read theresa okay. Well that's fine. I don't like meat anyway. Yes yeah yes. See the c. C. nova crystals looks. Were the most memorable. I don't know but they were honestly. I think the most impeccably put together next to charity case and faces beautiful. But you know. I think about season seven. I think famous was beautiful. And then after a while you to it you know right right tokyo. So we'll see what happens with crystal She made a big showing she won. I think the last two seasons. Correct me if i'm wrong mary. The first episode was won by the winner. Oh wow really. maybe that's wrong maybe lawrence. Cheney didn't win the first episode. And i i think The first episode was estino mandela. Because she won for the hometown lock. Yeah yeah oh the acis acer. Yeah you're absolutely right. Let's look that up real first season. I actually the first season you may have been crash. She wanna lawrence the mini challenge. Lawrence won the mini challenge. But a stena one. The second one Wow lawrence didn't win until episode three. Okay wow well. Then then. I am wrong and you are right every once in a while. I'm wrong in your rhino. Get so mad. Well we'll see but vivian. Did win the first episode of series one. So we'll see but this is. This is a strong showing for her and vicki scott. Absolutely we'll mention. I think we'll see a lot of a lot of the two of them I think we've talked charity we've talked about. I think we covered. Yeah we got about a mall. Yeah we caught them all we didn't we go ahead. Oh i was gonna say fencing bops that you wanna talk about a little bit. I do i congratulations. You made it now. Bring on the internet trolls. It's becoming common now for rupaul. On the show and the producers the show to feature on what's happening off the show. What i think was interesting about this. She's like bring on the internet trolls. Pay them bitches no mind and then she was like hashtag drag race. Uk y the carbon footprint. Joke it's like. Wow we've we're are we doing this on purpose. Yeah i you know. We've talked length. During only mary's episodes about you know fan fanaticism and all of the heat that happens and that the onus is seemingly on the queen's to just deal with it and i i there's there's gotta be some other way to deal with this i mean. Yeah we've talked about it at length. I think it's i think it's probably so much bigger than anything they can do. And so this feels to me like a different path. You know of like. let's just make fun of it. Let's just play it down. Not let's let's let's talk about. It is something that is to be mocked. You know versus writing to addressed in protected from into serious ray lucia fractious like. Let's give trolls that much genuine energy. Let's just you know. Go whatever like because. Isn't that really at the heart of it. Is trolls just wanna feel relevant. You know absolutely. It's like i don't know any not horror movie but i feel like there's there's some reference where you think it's really scary but it's it's not it's like the wizard of ours but you press a switch on and it's they're not really there it's not real it's not real what's up from it's not real. It's not real. It's like that where it's just these little chance huge monsters. Yeah i know what you mean. It's kind of like. I'm thinking of like various movies where somebody is like. Or they're remembering something it's like it's not real. It's not real. Wake up wake up. Wake up wake up. Wake up wake up. It's like the craft right when when she's seeing the snakes in the sand. Yeah it's not real. It's a real. Why are you still bleeding Which is another metaphor. it's like well. The internet are real. Because there you go affects or the other sort of truth of it is like rupaul can stand there in the workroom and go fuck the internet trolls and then never deal with them. And then it's like these queens can home having a soup sandwich and then they get a d. am on instagram. Saying hey kill yourself you know. It's not real you know right. Yeah i it it makes them. I think a little bit more timid on the show And you you worry about it. That's all but I thought that was an interesting addition to the show that again. We have that lens coming through. And then on a lighter note rupaul. I think much like we have drag race. Thailand rubles version of that is dirty charades. He's forcing it on everyone. Anyone and we got it. Because what's drag race thailand. It's period. We should stop here. Take about ten minutes to talk about how much we love degrees thailand. I don't i think we're overdue. What's interesting about this segment is dirty shreds was going on if felt so long mary but it was only four minutes. And you know that in real life it probably was like forty five minutes late. Ronnie green was up there trying to get them to get the curious case. Pothole for like at least fifteen of those minutes. I will say. I appreciated braves chartres. I appreciate it. When rupaul scolded a new business and said no tying new in new vessels going home as soon as she talk during. Paul's party you play it us no talking. Yeah i don't always together lady reveals nothing. Stop that what they're good. What ward mary. I appreciate rupaul. Trying to make dirtyish rates happen. I i don't think that it's something for tv because they're gonna have to censor it. Yeah it was really fun game. I when it was over and then i realized oh. Yeah nobody wins. Nobody wins the game. Then it was like all right. Nobody that's the truth of it. Yeah yeah did you miss the photo shoot. oh No because i forgot about it until you mentioned it right now so. I don't think i missed the photo shoot. I think by having multiple runways they kind of the the accomplishment of the photo shoot is just a feature each queen and this way to kind of do it with two runways instead right i you know. I think those are all my thoughts. Do have some thoughts about some of the things that happened in the work room. But we'll see how they all play out and it for another day rainy day if he sure i. Yeah i'm excited for next week. I think the peleton's spoof is going to be funny Yeah i mean that. I wonder you know one of my favorite palatine. Instructors ben all dis. He's not gay. But i wonder if they'll have a real gay. He's he's actually lined bike hallway up mount everest. But he's gay he's blind but anyway hopefully all diesel be there and hopefully. It's not going to be corey. Fucking rigsby or cody fucking rigsby call. It has peleton. Thought i do i do you. You are so lucky you don't have to be exposed but can we pella off now. Can we talk. Can we rebel it to walk. So but yeah i. I'm excited to see how this shakes out brand new season. Brand new crop queens. Here wego hitting the ground running. I do want to mention to folks listening. Who are enjoying this. Recap drag race. Uk we will be doing these recaps going forward on patriae on. This is just a preview of what you would be getting if you are watching gregory's uk and you want follow along with us all season much like we did with drugs. Uk season two. We will continue. Recapping these on patriotic. If you wanna just got the sister mary level. You can get access to not only all the archives including tracy casey's into that's where drivers uk season three will be. And then if you wanna jump up to the only mary's level you'll continue to get drag race. Uk but then you'll get episodes like michelle vusaggio losing. You know getting her life at a lip sing talking about safe zone drama. There's a bracket that only made the only mary's level. We're gonna talk about the other two on the only mary's level soon so that's just kind of Just to put you just to orient jewelry are that's what's going on. And if you want more info anyone become a patriot on our mitri on. Excuse me go to patriot. Dot com slash. All right mary. We have a great time around patriae on if you're listening to all right. Mary and you're not on patriot. And you're only getting half the story I think devon's to buff. Said that once which i just loved But we have a great time. We are moving all right scary which used to be on patriot. We're actually moving that to our live. Feed our free feed Free skates for the month of october along with drag. So if you can't dish out the money you're still going to be getting content. It just won't be drag race. Uk but We hope to see over there. I think this is going to be a really great season I i'm excited for it. Looks like rupaul. And michelle are having a great time. But mary's if you have any thoughts on this episode you can reach out to us at all right mary on twitter or all right mary. Podcast g. dot com we love emails and You can also find on the web at www dot alright. Mary dot com or taste the reality dot com slash. Alright dash mary. And if you want you can follow me on instagram at johnny. Also p- or on twitter at johnnie also one and you can hear more of me on my other two podcasts in the details a celebration of nuance or supporting cast. A celebration of supporting actresses and you can get more of me on twitter at colin trucker at instagram contractor underscore. And it bears repeating if you do want to get more of both of us on patriots. It is indeed a patriot. Dot com slash. All right mary. I love at our last chance lip sync this week is dedicated to the very little nuance quote of celia black It's her song. Anyone who had a heart. Which i think is a great live thing song. It's very dramatic. There's a lot that you could do with it and I i love this song. It's it's it's over the top. Well listen linda. We'll see you next week. Take us away. Miss black know that. I have a dream. You could look at me and no team now in like.

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The 11th Hour with Dr. Naomi Wolf

Outer Limits Of Inner Truth

35:31 min | 4 months ago

The 11th Hour with Dr. Naomi Wolf

"And now a presentation on the mental health news radio network the outer limits of truth radio show ryan leading to frequent bought from you all the time. I do not meet anybody's permission. Ever called green where people don't worry don't be afraid because you're you're you're you're one of the this is the best god can do. I am not good evening. Everyone and welcome to the limits of and in truth radio show limits. Radio dot com. I'm your host ryan. What if. I told you there was a job that you could apply for where he got it. Most your family and friends would look you like you're weird and you'd probably be a social pariah. I'm sure your answer would be while this is fantastic. Where do i apply. The job in question is being a vocal advocate of freedom and are featured guests doing it for long time. She's making third parents on the show and a lot of things that she's been doing heaven causing wonderful change much-needed change but she can't do it alone. We can't just depend on our feature guests. That people like ron paul james corvette to do all the heavy lifting. We need more people. We need more passionate advocates. Now before you get into the game. I want to ask you and say that will tension that out focus on liberating yourself making sure that you have personal freedom with inside so small mental or spiritual liberating yourself from the opinions of others as soon as you stop. Caring what other people think is tremendous liberation. And you'll need that because once you start going against the grain and you become one of those people that has not by the book. You're gonna get some resistance but then you look at the greater picture and you want to live a life. Will you know that what you're doing is ally. Maybe you'll have more friends. But how real trends if you've standing by the truth and you're fighting for what is right. What is real. What is truly important in this world. Yeah you may not have that many friends but at least you know you're you're living at truth and the friends that you do have assure you people in this movement the bonds that are here on like anything other i've ever experienced before let's begin tonight show. It is a great pleasure to welcome to show rhodes scholar former advisors to clinton gore campaigns author of eight year times non fiction bestsellers and a bona fide. Freedom warrior dr. Naomi wolf about the doctor wolf by going to website at daily cloud dot. Io dr welcome back to our show. Thank you so much and excited to talk to you again. Oh thank you. So there's a little bit of a background about dr one bring to everyone's attention because if you're experiencing freedom right now she's very good reason. Why and i'll explain. So they started rolling out these evil things called vaccine passports. And as i started doing it i suddenly started hearing the theme song holding out for a hero by bonnie tyler just started. We started hearing all over and i was like. Where is this music soundtrack. Coming from i looked all over. And i found it. The source of this music was dr neil wolves twitter account because i you just were relentless you ask like no way. Please explain terrariums. Y you push so hard. i guess. He's backing passports. What was at stake and is the fight over yet. Or are we still in angel's territory with this sure so thank you for asking. It is the this issue and the issues related Like you know will we get transparency about the wuhan lab origins and like can we get the mass tougher kids. Can we end. Emergency law Can we you know. Never let what ha what happened in. Twenty twenty twenty twenty one in terms of restricting. All our freedoms happen to us again. Those are the this is the fight of our lifetime. I mean this. Is you know every generation has its battle and this is ours and if we don't rise to the occasion or children are going to be you know living in a reality much like communist china and it's that simple so the reason i sounded the alarm very early about vaccine passports specifically is that I you know in texas. I run a company called daily clout and we build digital products so as a result i understood immediately what was being proposed and how dangerous it was when all these kind of there was a campaign really seems all. Pr campaigns highly funded. You know they started kind of send out the trial balloons of well. You know the tickets are freedom is for everyone to get back needed and then have this vaccine passport. That will allow you to have a party. Allow you to go to a broadway play. you know. We're p you know like this. They're there they took our feed them hostage and now they're trying to ransom attack with the vaccine passport and people reasonable people. I know like smarts especially liberal people. Unfortunately like this sounds reasonable. Sounds time well you know since they build these products. I understand that a vaccine passport is the end of all human liberty immediately like not in some science fiction future but right now today and by the way. These passports are not someday Oracle salesforce and microsoft united to already build it and ibm has built the one that is in use in new york state it's called the excelsior pass They're you know demoing another version in Southern california and europe just an announced yesterday following the g. seven that twelve countries were getting together in a vaccine passport so this has been the end goal all along and everything else i believe has just been a means to that goal intentional or accidental. This is a fantastic opportunity to take. Everyone's freedom forever and Make you know three or four. Tech companies unbelievably wealthy and masters of the universe. So now quickly why. They're so dangerous They you don't have a choice to opt in or opt out right you're opted in and then you can immediately which on other functionalities like geo locating so that whoever Has the contract for the vaccine. Has port knows where you are at all times They can create networks out of your friends so that when you get together at a bar or a restaurant to talk about. She had to we lobby to end. This vaccine passport nonsense. They will know exactly who you are. They can add an ai component to scan your social media so that you get a social credit score depending on if you talk republican or a few talk democrat or environmentalists or antibac-. So you know whatever the metric is. They're setting they can switch on your access to public transportation and switch it off and you know already the one that microsoft oracle and salesforce have created. They already are embedding. It in google paying apple wallet like that's what they propose in their own marketing materials. What that means is if your social credit score drops to lower. Someone doesn't like your. You're on a list or you say the wrong thing or you went rothfusz you know and threatened. Someone's power base Your pay pal or your you know. Small business revenue can be switched off or platforms. And if you think that science fiction we know people in the eye this community who are already being perhaps one from mail chimp platform fem Their payment processors Because of their political views so it's it's terrifying and israel actually launched it before other countries within four months activists were saying it's a two class society Its apartheid it. there's no more equality and and and it was catastrophic. So that is. Why i i've been sounding the alarm so i really appreciate what you did and you have watched a lot of interviews you did. You went on a number numerous numbers of shows. Imagine shows you probably would've thought you would be doing. But i'm glad you got people fired up about it and when comes you're welcome and you mentioned how dangerous these vaccine passports are. Some states have been them in the us. And it's kind of weird about four months ago. I thought the us has really going hardcore cheering. And i still think. We're we're pretty bad but compared to canada and compared to australia. Wow i mean we're disneyworld compared to that because we actually had states that have opened up actually had stays to the decided to ban the vaccine passports for right now so when you see states like that doing this and they're they're saying that there's no way businesses can accept this and there's no way you can't be denied to go into school with the vaccine password. Does that give you hope. You see an actual momentum shifting in the opposite direction because things like that here is where i wanna say very firmly. That didn't just happen Yes three months ago even I think most legislators didn't understand What a groundswell of Of hostility there was among their electorate for these Vaccine past puts even the electric didn't understand What happened was a huge huge huge organization campaign. And i've got a credit. I have to say my my company. Daily cloud and the many thousands of americans who signed up to five freedoms campaign where we hired a lawyer to draft model bills and one of the model bills who the no vaccine passport. Bill and so You know we. We asked people to send these bills to their state. Reps and say please sponsor this and to call their state reps into you know mobilize. I spoke to sixty. Legislators in there was a rally. I was invited to testify to the michigan legislature. I worked closely at the request of constituent named Luna singer With senator kim thatcher by the way. She's the reason. I got the platforms. Because i was posting her. Press release about who built back vaccine passports in the moment that i was deployed them from twitter And so it was a massive campaign of citizens saying heck no not on our watch and and showing that there would be a backlash. And i have to say having been a political consultant. This is the only thing that works. you know. We did this in american. It's not over but this scared people right. It sends a message unfortunately it democrats. I'm a lifelong democrat. We heard in state house after state hopes that the democrats were like a wall against collaborating to end vaccine passports. And that's because big tack is really funding The democratic party to to do this because the the data are so valuable So there were like top orders really that we were hearing To the democrats at the state has level. You know to go ahead with vaccine passports not to not to collaborate. I'm really sorry to say that. But i have to be honest in love with country more than i love my party. Right now But it took this huge effort in in in canada. Don't have that in britain whether even worse off than in canada all terrible. They don't have it in australia. They don't have it so its citizens learning How'd you know how to lobby organizing using. I'm glad to say the daily cloud platform another you know organizations and other groups Who are also oriented toward this. But but really showing elected officials that there will be held. Pay if they you know continue to Go in this direction. And by the way the fight is completely not over because even those nice headlines The state bans vaccine have for two executive order bans backseat pass puts if you look at the fine print and we've been deep in the weeds with legislators about this. They're often gigantic. Carve outs for instance. They'll they'll say okay if you're a government contractor government agency. You can't ban them. But that. That's what joe biden really said but then it leaves a gigantic opportunity for the private sector to discriminate. And we're hearing about that even in states. That was you know. There's an executive order banning vaccine passports by the government people saying my nineteen year. Old daughter wants to go back to campus and fallen. They're forcing her to have vaccine or she doesn't get to go to a private university or you know these nurses in texas texas is a very open state In and and they've said no vaccine passports but a houston. Hospital is forcing nurses to sue them. Because they're forcing them to take this experimental vaccine. And i am not an anti baxter. I have all my prescribed. That's the nation's my children are vaccinated. You know i would. I if my dog needs a vaccine vaccinate my dog but you know this is an experimental procedure. An even if it wasn't we have laws in this country that make it illegal to coerce people to get a medical procedure of any kind and it's illegal to even ask them their medical status so these these Coercion violate the law. In many many ways. I mean there are a lot of lawsuits going through now but it is absolutely a fight because there are sneaky sneaky bills that give great headlines but you know a huge opportunity for for the private sector to keep doing bad things. I'm worried about what they're gonna do. I'm really concerned. And i do see sparks once in a while of people that are standing up and i feel like the people that are standing up. They carry a considerable amount of power. I don't think people realize how strongly are. Because when i watched observed that you were doing interviews and i absorbed your passion. I saw that. Okay well i cur wellspring and passion and then you're getting other people passionate and then each person like that passion cut arises and i think when you have that tireless minority people that that are focused the other people. I don't care how many there are. I feel like they're weak at the collective groups of people and they happened to be in the majority and they're not willing to participate and they willing to be run over which i think most people in this country. The are the tireless minority blue. They prevail especially if they're relentless and they take a lot of initiative. Based on what. You've seen what you've learned for this far in this fight. What are some effective tactics that people who believe in freedom who believe in their bodies own temple what can they do to promote freedom and you know in the fight against these factory passports right. Well before i answer that. I just wanna speak twit. You said ryan because You know i'm very much living this right now. You know. I did the right thing for you. Know i believe course for my country for the constitution from my fellow men and women and children especially you know. I spoke up about this but there has been a cost you know. I am very privileged. And i have a big platform and and you know i'm not. You know living hand-to-mouth isn't single. Mom the way. I was for twelve thirteen years anymore. You know a little bit of comfort. I have a family But this i have been punished. You know like i was depressed. Formed from twitter For this probably for the effectiveness of the five freedoms campaign as well as for posting information about Dr touchy funding gain of function research. But that's another discussion probably I you know have have lost supporters of mine. Who love me have said that. They're scared to speak up for me on social media because they're scared of being depressed formed You know it it. It's affected my business. Which is based on Social media access and it's horrible It's not fun. The are really organized attacks on people like me and i hope not people like you. But in these days who challenge the a the relentless pressure to consolidate power in the hands of just a few bad actors. And so i guess i wanted to say you know in response to what you're seeing is people have to stop meeting people like me right like i'm sick of it. I mean honestly. I'm at the end of being brave. You know i've been brave and brave. Brave brave. I need other people to step up right like you kind of me or whoever you know go go this leader go that leader and we all need to be leaders. And i've always said that that now more than ever. Don't give me this. You know expletives right like don't say. I really support what you're doing and then say but i'm not gonna speak out because i'm scared of losing my job. I'm scared of the number of journalists. Who witnessed me saying i really support what you're doing but i'm not gonna cover it because i'm scared of losing my job and i have to tell the party line. It's extraordinary and i just want to like say to all these people you know. We'd some history because the collaborators never do well right like everyone's going to have the same catastrophic future and their kids will have the same enslaved future unless everyone gets brave now and cause because history shows only as you say when there's math peaceful resistance mass courage than the only way to thwart this small group. But if you just leave it to us you know bravely sold to be picked off one by one it is not gonna work and everybody will be enslaved. He's really tried to hear that. Because i don't know wolf. I see the masses of people. I this seems a general lack of critical thinking and i know that in the last couple of years at least in the. Us has been this bitter divide. Oh you know. The republicans and democrats did their bitterly divided. They're fighting and there's very emotional. And what i never been able to understand is. I don't understand why a person would say okay. Well if that my fellow human being does not want to infringe upon me does not wanna harm me or steal from me. They wish before. What else is there if you don't infringe upon another person. Why can't do it. I feel like it's so simple yet. People believe that because they believe a one thing that the president believes in something else they gotta be mortal enemies. I feel like the The powers that shouldn't be utilized that and they put people show so this idea that it's it's going to be such a challenge coming come together. i can't. i don't understand how why difficult it seems. Very simple i maybe. It's social that people are looking for a more complex. Answer how do you see it. how do you see. Generally speaking people could come together. Do you think that things ticket progressively so bad it. Everyone is a misery together. They walk out together. Or maybe there is a critical thinking moment or event where you know people just kind of have an moment or there's one hundred monkey effect. Maybe you have couple like you and the person and then you've got one hundred people then. Finally the collective tribe of the united states wakes up. I mean how do you see it happening. Oh gosh well. I mean you did ask. How can people help. And i can't stress enough come to daily cloud dot. Io you can sign up for free. As a subscriber you can support us as a member And download those draft bills and lobby your state rep to you know not just backing passports. But the other draft bills and no mask mandates open schools now Freedom to assemble no more emergency law like forty eight states are still operating under emergency law and it is a fight you know to end that like pennsylvania just ended emergency law working with your hampshire to reform emergency law. But like you know this is america. We're not supposed to be a living under tyrants at who at the at the state level or at the national level of this has to end. So that's what you can do to help In terms of division ryan you're a hundred percent right and it's honestly gotten so much worse in my lifetime. Like i remember in the nineties and even in the you know two thousand and you know all The country you know there were republicans. They were democrats. They were independence but we talked to each other and no one thought the other side was you know adjusted bunch of psycho baby killers or just a bunch of you know fundamentalist misogynous. No there was a sense that we were all americans and we can have discussions and even like tv shows. You know Like crossfire where we talked to each other That has been agree with you. Intentionally splintered We haven't talked about china. But i'm completely persuaded from primary documents that i i've seen You know my husband works on this. He's a private investigator and his colleagues work on it and they showed me extrordinary amounts of material confirming that. You know the chinese communist party of trying to divide us right they're trying to isolate us And other bad actors are and the last thing i want is share as you know locked down right the last fourteen months. We'd been told you have to stay inside your inside. You have to do all your communicating on social media and that creates a perfect environment for tech companies to create algorithms. And this is not fiction how it works where you only see reasonable people on your side of your the divide and horrible news about the other side and i only see you know a mirror image of that and we never get to need on a golf course or go to worship or you know go to a baseball game and have a chat with people who don't agree with us so this is a recipe for Destroying culture and destroying a nation. And i think it was intentional. I mean look at the numbers. The tech bros. Are up double digit billions in the last fourteen months and Amazon is up triple digit And in all of fester more divided than ever more weakened than ever. We can't even gather in most states. You know in a town hall to you know plot how to rebuilt community. It destroyed our cultures. Americans and that was intentional Glad you pointed that. It seem very intentional. And it's weird that it happened to the country. So i i wonder if it was coordinative a global coordination to try to destroy culture because i kept on seeing this logo called build back better and i was seeing it in. The presidential election was also seeing all over the world. Will this got to be some kind of tie that they're all you utilizing and some people we've had our show said the economy was intentionally destroyed in order for them to to kind of put us on some kind of digital currency where they would really control everything and that was part of what you're saying before the time of the vaccine passport ultimately will. They'll totally traffic control humanity to the fullest degree. There's a little bit of hope. I see that. Maybe the best laid plans go to waste. Maybe these people aren't as intelligent as they perceived themselves to be granted they're evil they're pretty cutting but i i don't know if they'll be able to pull it off or anything that you would observe what you've seen where the ferocity of this evil there's been perpetuated. Not only upon america's the world has some cracks in it because the people that are watching it haven't thought everything through as some kind of weak points or week Areas in there in the rollout at maybe could indicate that part of their evil plans could collapse upon themselves because of lack of confidence or a lack of foresight not realizing the true nature of. What humanity's about that there are some pockets of people that will stand we'll fight back and may even not stance to death in. We'll tolerate this. You're asking tough question. Ryan. i mean at the beginning of all of these people were saying great. We set you know. This is a massive global plan. And i was like oh please. That's just a bridge too far. But unfortunately i have seen enough primary documents. You know in the mind boggles right that this could be possible But i've seen that you know event to a one Documentation and i've i've seen the world. Nommik forum plans to kind of some of their website rate control show by You know the vaccine management and medical management and. I've seen china's plan for twenty thirty you know by which they want to have everyone's dna and have Control of the world through Through managing people genomics managing their medical needs and their dna. So these are real things and You know i like these are also people like no right. Like i hang. I been to the you know. I've been all these entities. I've been dinner parties. I know people in the world economic forum. I know people who hang out with bill gates. I like i. I in that world right. I'm a trainer awake. I in that world. And i kinda tell the secrets of it So this yet. I think it this. I didn't want to believe it but it seems cool. Clear that they are using same talking points you know. I get information streams from all over the world about these issues. And you know the same week that that you know. Britain's targeting vaccinating eleven fifteen year olds candidates doing the same thing israel. Doing the same thing. Australia doing the same thing you know. The same week they unveil quarantine camps happens. All over the world. these people are all kind of members of the world economic form. You know young leaders community and you know this is real It's it's a little bit less. I think there are like three sets of bad actors right and there are kind of aligned but not completely which gives us hope but I think china is huge. Right and economic forum is using china kinda cats potter basically export charity all over the world for their own purposes. i think that tech rose jumped on the opportunity provided by the pandemic. And that's why whatever mark zuckerberg said doctor is so important. I think you're gonna see a lot of communication and coordination of the tech grows to exploit the the pandemic and make it last and hype it and hide any documentation of things getting better data. Horrible the tech those responsible for that And then lastly there's pharma which obviously has its own interest in a mandated You know vaccine. That gets booster shots every year. And you know people are basically. There's a huge market in telling people that they don't have an immune system and that they have to buy immunity from pharmaceutical companies for the rest of their lives right. It's all that actively involved and you know you're asking me keep asking me like will we be okay and i guess you after what i've been kind of am done reassuring anyone we're not gonna be okay if people don't peacefully rebel in massive numbers. We're not going to be okay. Like i i i. I'm happy to talk to you but it's a matter of time before you know. My youtube is frozen. I can't upload video right twitter's gone You know. I like hundreds of people are saying i love you but i'm scared to support you right. This is happening to dr martin. Cool dwarf he was deployed from advises the cdc. He's of the great epidemiologist at harvard. It just happened to simon good decky friend of mine. Who broke the tea. Cr test story. You know it is not okay. It's nineteen thirty three. And so i'm not going to tell you that these people will mess up or you know. Make make a misstep because they are gaining ground. We are not winning. You know it is. It is not going the way in the way that it it should go. And after certain point you know. We become like the the messages. I get from britain or heartbreaking. You know that was a free country that that has a liberal tradition of freedom. I don't mean left wing. I mean like open. You know free speech. Parliament open democracy going back to the magna carta and they're propagandize. They're terrified and they're being told. Oh wait till freedom day. Oh can't have it on. June twenty-first we have you have to wait another month. They're never gonna get this. Indicate people in children in canada are being told no mask no voice right a little boy the i love in massachusetts is being you know planning to go to sailing camp and it has to wear a mask sailing on the water insane. Not a pay. It is not okay and knocked to like i've been very I'm not trying to kind of like be a not being emotional. But i am realistically saying is the cliff right. We've been at the edge of the cliff for so long. This is over the cliff and you know it is. It is with no high anymore. Like people in america because of patriots you know like you and me and the people we know. We held back the tide barely. You know by by working. Flat-out dan night but it it. It cannot be held back any longer for the people. Don't join us. I and if we go over clips going to happen when i read your book the end of america. I can't tell you what an impact that's had on me. I mean we brought it up the last two times. We had you on and i think last one in recent interviews and things hayward states hand which is like the final but cycles tend to repeat and in color rhine. What would it take if you were going to visualize things and i. I'm glad you told it like it is in legislative. Where things are because i want people to take more action. But what do you think it would take for the rebirth of freedom to occur on the. Us what would what would that look like. Because people don't eat see it they can anticipate it or they don't know what it looks like. So what would you say would be a rebirth where the second kind of starts over again and maybe we don't experience freedom that our answers just wants to you're asking very deep questions ryan You know up until now. I've been saying well. You guys have to organize and you have to. You know nabi representative me up to read history. But honestly i'm so part sick and disgusted at the cowardice and lassitude that i'm seeing around me except for a very very few brave souls that i'm going to be this at this point. I literally just have to say this is a spiritual question. Your listeners have to ask themselves. They need to look themselves mirror. And say like i mean honestly i think evil is in the world. I think that you know someone an activist. I really admire sent me a quote when i said like how do you keep going. And he said You know that crow from the new testament on jewish. But i don't care. I'll take with him wherever i can find it. You know Re battle not against flesh and blood alone but against principalities and powers and evil in high places and i honestly think in addition to the material politics. I think that that is going on. The scale of this is evil. We have not seen since the holocaust and jewish. My grandmother's brothers and sisters died in the holocaust. I can save a holocaust level coordination evil. It hasn't manifested yet in the holocaust. But it's a helicopter freedom you know in a nation after nation and millions and millions of people. So that's one like you guys listening. You know you need to talk your creator and decide what side you're gonna be on it. It's really down to that. It's good or evil and in who will you walk with. Dr naomi wolf thank you. I love that last. Answer and listening again meditate. Pray do whatever you can. All beings welcomed a descendant the fight against diversity. Vote because this is the battle of our lifetimes. A little more about dr wolf by going to daily clout dot. Co also want to check out our youtube channel and we will post a link. Dr wolf thank you for all the you do. So much co carefully okay. Everyone that concludes. Today's edition of the truth. Radio show special. Thanks to unbelievable guest and special. 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Music Buzzz 04: Steve Hackett (Genesis, GTR, more)

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Music Buzzz 04: Steve Hackett (Genesis, GTR, more)

"This is the music buzz. Podcast buzzed podcast features candid discussions with an about those behind the scenes in the music. Business including industry veterans representing the segments of musician design and live all three music. Podcast host has spent their careers awarding with the biggest names entertainment and have been and are still a fly on the wall in clark as the drummer from john mellencamp dan for over twenty years and very similar projects. You sign a world renowned graphic artist with the biggest names in music and the corporate world and he was an award winning marketing and public relations executive with over twenty years of combined multilevel teaming industry spirits in the music and sports business. Now it's bose. Hello welcome to the music. Buzz podcast. I'm one of your co host. Andy wilson along with dane clark heyday. Hey andy how are you today and houston. How's it going. Hugh is going well. Thank you andrew. Today we're joined by steve hackett rock and roll hall of fame. Inductee steve hackett is renowned as an immensely talented and innovative rock musician. He was lead guitarist with genesis of their classic lineup with peter. Gabriel phil collins. Tony banks and mike rutherford from nineteen seventy-one. One thousand nine hundred. Seventy seven steve's extraordinary versatility and both his electric guitar playing in his composing involves influences from many genres including jazz world music. Blues and more is equally adept in his classical albums that include renditions and pieces of the likes of bach and others is own acoustic guitar. Compositions in gained the admiration of and ambitious guitar orchestra albums. Such as a midsummer night's dream recorded with the royal philharmonic. Have done the same. After genesis steve marked on his solo career which he's continued to release tons of music and we're going to delve into some of that as solo career went from strength to strength and by the mid eighty s. Not only saw the hit single cell one fifty one but also st joined up with steve howe from fame to form the supergroup gt tr after gtri. Steve went on to work with others including paul character. Bonnie tyler chris squire john wetten of asia. Brian may and more. He is influenced so many players including some of the biggest names. Like eddie van. Halen alex license and others is solo albums of projects are always possessed a high level of sophistication along with an ever present. Powerful dynamic. steve's lied electric gigs. Take his fans. On extraordinary journey drawn from a rich musical heritage perennial genesis favorites sit alongside is solar classics more recent solo materials also included demonstrating that. Steve is an artist. Still at the very top of his game. Who's always looking in moving forward. Welcome steve hackett. Hey steve man. It's a great honor and a pleasure to talk about your career today. Mind don't you well you know. The quality of your output is of course amazing and so the quantity as well I went to your webpage. yesterday i counted. I think twenty five solo albums. You know the nine genesis albums over a dozen other projects as well. So man. Incredible i spent the morning listening tonight. Siren and okay. It is such a great cross section of everything you do from gorgeous acoustic exposed acoustic to to flamenco and amazing orchestration. I want to ask you about that Just in terms of arrangement and composition you are. You're stunning absolutely stunning. And i. i was a huge fan of yours. Back in the seventies when i was listening to spectral mornings and i couldn't listen to virgin and the gypsy enough. It was just such a a masterpiece at the time that i had a great time to that album but all the things that i've been Lucky enough to do over the years They really would really. I think that's the thing about music is is it's been. It's been a lifelong friend. From when i was two years old trying to play harmonica like my dad. You know Edge it's been a great journey and every day. I'm lucky enough to to come up with new ideas. It might be a new risk. It might be just a plan of of some saying but despite my best efforts to hold it music just keeps ranks from my brain in the middle of the night first thing in the morning in my dreams. It just wouldn't stop with. That's fine by me. Note to rehash with my brain at three in the morning. That's that's a hard thing to stop man. You know what you sort of power digital fever during the show and song writing stuff too. So it's if that just means you're engulfed in in music in your life I guess that's the thing about the news when whenever it he she Lights you going to write it down or you go to record into something and onerous somehow certainly certainly listening to your music over the years i have to. I have to guess that you're amuse come from somewhere like the lake district or lindisfarne or squad. I'm i'm english but you know the first question. I ever got to play as a kid on the monica rosa. Texas was one of them. Served wasn't Was a little grown. You say Yeah yeah that's that's cool. Yeah yeah how about that and Again stop would be would be a nashville shuffle. The rhythm it would be sure can yellow resin. Texas sculling placenames. The the these things i think. God save the queen. But they're all kind of national anthems in iran. i'm way these things the reminder the first things that you learned yeah learn one thing that really me is diving into your history dead I think i read that you were playing guitar at twelve and you'd already developed an interest in classical and opera. But you'd never had any formal training. Not that that's astonishing to me with all the odd meter stuff that you've done over the years and your chops in your core voicing i mean can you tell us who your influences As guitars were when you started in how you progressed up to playing in your first band will. I think the first electric guitar. I was aware of it. England identity aware of the ban called the shadows. Oh yes sure. Journeys were cliff. Richard's backing band. Sure years elvis that we really had at that time. Had to the looks all of that. great voice. And but he's breaking band. Were no slouches either. And they were having hits under their name and within survey dominated the british shots So that was the only influence hank mobley was to qatar est. Yet i'm d- I met him a few times over the years. Ever since and It's an nc nice. Remotest guy i i always. I'm modest state in the accomplished. Yeah yes but i guess. Music is very important. All four of us here. I'm guessing no question speaking of harp when i was listening to your album this morning. Anything but love when heart came in. I thought don't tell me this guys looked at that to world. That was my original thing. Harmonica was my original i. became interested in blues hop bye. Love love the sounders of blues hop. I suspect mark feltham for a minute. And then i i double checked and sure enough. It's you but you also have a background florida's don't you. Now that's my brother. We both bought a flute together but he was the one who took off with it on ninety okay. It was my friend. Data mcdonald who invented king crimson richer. Famous in the court of the crimson came. cheer Was the first live flu player. We were. We were watching john five years younger than me. I was nineteen at the time. Watching the first incarnation king crimson. Sixty nine before. They made that extraordinary stunning. Yeah yeah classic record. Yeah and Jones with the flu and decided right then that he wanted to become dot and he did. He became He he took classical route of he was trained. Whereas i'm all instinct. That amazes me. Because when i was listening to the product today The night siren. I was asking myself all through the project and dane was just touching on this year. Time signatures your your voice. ings The arrangements just The build the arrangements from from beginning to end are always stunning. How much of that orchestral imaginings are you in are. Are you working with arranger or is that just largely you in your own studio. Okay What what to take you back a bit on the first album. I when i was twelve years. Old was rozelle's era. I love and I used to imagine myself conducting it as as a twelve year. Old and i used to gymnastics school. And so i run around the room trying to do some Handsprings and stuff listening to this stuff service. It was all one only the energy I never had any full training because a music to me was it was a symbol of freedom so We seem to be so harshly judged for the things that we couldn't accomplish. I thought to kate music separate from that and So the real work is to start off to school with me. I go home and practice in our I'm still practicing like crazy now. But lose who's been through the wringer all's having had the lessons as i suspect you have yourself day. Yes sir yeah i spent most dramas have road rage. Usually say night. My drama teacher was censored by. Was this guy. I was watching something. I was watching some buddy rich. Playing ronnie scott's the other day. And i got to see him twice fabulous drummer. I never got to see him live. I should have done. I was very slow. That mark because phil collins. When i was working with him he said is big. Inference was was was buddy rich on the same thing with bill bruce. Let's say you go to to these british draw yet to the greatest english drummers. Yeah and and and very different in style from from each other. But i think I was lucky enough with both of them and But you have to go up buddy rich's energy if if not you know i'm i'm i couldn't possibly tell you what what he does because the thing is is not nothing so i can sit back and say well that's great but i suspect and you're probably thinking i've got i've got to figure it out. Yes well some of it. Certainly like some of his sticking patterns and things but but buddy also was possessed a total genius of you know he could play a one handed roll with either hand and with his bass drum to and it's like i got to see that i saw him hold one stick up in the air and play a role with the other one. The fastest thing. I've ever heard i'm just going. There's no way you can practice that. That's just cheer for matter. It's almost it was it's magic. It's impossible incredible. I was just watching his videos. The other day and i got sucked into that black hole. I must've watched about fifteen videos of him on the tonight. Show and drum battles with ed. Shaughnessy ed shaughnessy a. I think he had well at lou. Belsen didn't as well now the part apart from that to your point about single-handed rules on anyways your music man has as such breadth to it. I couldn't believe the different styles. You you go into the middle east on one song in the you know the northumbria on another song is breathtaking. How you take. Take you on a journey musically speaking. I'm impressed with your your sense of arrangement. I can't express that enough I think music could be a little bit like you know. you're not is just self. My father was an artist. Unfortunately i didn't inherit his skill at drawing and painting. I mean he had that since he was very here ever since he was a kid. You could see impressive. Things that he downing. During a picture of montgomery was fourteen years old. He was coming us out the paper. You could see what my was going to become from that but In a way my dad did a lot things. Different styles and landscapes of his specialities. And i think that music would enjoy my Where you'll musical landscape should think of the region and you mentioned northumbria The union pipes that were used on something And of course it's coleman tool those celtic regions And so i. I love that in an if you want something that's really authentically. Wafting down from the highlands in scotland. Sit let the rule. Qatar is never going to do battle. Though i think big companies came pretty close with the use of. Oh yeah guitar down. I forget the song you had do. Cuisine scallops Is what you choose to use in your arrangements is. that's what i'm really enquiring about is. Just how much of are you. Hold up in your studio working with keyboards until you develop your own on. But yeah well i. I work with usually right With two other people in other words. I ride as much as i can on my own. And then i will come the input olds to people my wife jo and also a rugged king here is is the cable player with diet. I have and He helps big engineer. Great people player and He's become an extraordinary orchestrator. So we sit together. He has a theory to my instinct. Usually credit him with the orchestra arrangements. Usually come up with these days. A talk line and codes. We mapped it out with with keyboards with samples. And then if we have time and opportunity on we overlay that with the real singles subtracted and things so It's you know back in the old days. Lovely genesis we we had. We had the time an opportunity as young guys to sit in a row. So room together on Together i think that when you have a solo situation and you really even know how the song is going to go. The loveless thing about computers will get frustrated with us. And all of that. And i realize there's a certain coldness to it. It's nice to be able to show some on a fully fully formed sketch and say i isn't the way i see it. Then that can be. They did the input of other people over over backgrounds. Do the work within themselves rather than dislike in her house. is a guy working at soda. And everyone's gonna keep powering around the same rift and tout to be tiring that can be tiring. Of course the other activities is to have the school sheet and we used that as well Gaffey working with Stuff relocatable players. You can't really have the free for all you have to have the agreement otherwise known as the school shape too. Yeah be right now. We go to the old school ways of doing your field fashioned and they can still get it wrong it depending on the the orchestra. Yeah yes. I think orchestras I mean i. I love working with them. it's it's an ambitious thing sticking together are an orchestra or the under under road and on done it several times. Now i'm the As chillier aware during the way that an orchestra fields timing is rather different tastes way behind the beat. I've played many orchestra sessions and big time in Conductor who's pushing ahead of what they perceive to be the beach right right. And even if there's a click track even if there's a metronome if it's here they're going I gather in different regions I remember hearing something broader a conductor. Who was saying in a lot of all. Orchestras can be very much behind the beat of the baton and But in this guy was saying some there even ahead of the beat so I guess there's those orchestras that are used to fill look in. Maybe they jumped right in. I think that's probably because they have to work with a click track on that stuff so used to that. Yeah yeah i've got ask your The last record you did was at the edge of light was that ten thousand nineteen lemon. I gotta i gotta tell you. I encourage everybody. That's listening here to check this record out. You hooked me on this first two songs. Thank you beasts in our time. The second cut is a beautiful haunting. Ballad your vocal performances. Gray the videos really cool. I mean i encourage all our listeners to check that out and do the cut Fallen walls in pedestals blew my mind. Okay dude he always sat fantastic chops and been able to play. These odd meter somehow miraculously without training. But i think you sound better than ever man. It's so clean. It reminds me of a little. Bit of like allan holdsworth back. In the tony williams days that beautiful sounding to me violin. The tone menace astounding. It's just beautiful. I applaud you for free. Keep you keep seems like you keep progressing throughout your career. It's it's fantastic. Well in a way we try and get away and antanas against us because You know as long as the the magic thing is are applying. This is mobile hopeful and Agree with dane. Though time has been good to your voice you have your voice on the album. That preceded that i guess the Preceded that was the night siren. Yeah yeah you're you're singing on behind the smoke and there was another one that just came through beautifully In another life the vocals were lovely. Kate thank you know really managed. I'm a fan since the seventies and i confessed to having kind of fallen off You hadn't fallen off the map. I had But reconnecting with you just now. I'm you know. I know how important spectral mornings was. Come to my art studio at the time. It was on all the time now this album that that dangerous mentioned and you are a nightside. Aren't going to be my backdrop for months to come for sure. Beautiful stuff man will thank you thank you. I mean. I was lucky to join this in a very young young brand back in the early seventies genesis and Lucky with phil collins. Who instilled in me something that i didn't possess about time which was a sense of rhythm the my timing got better but just the appreciation of what might be a good feel on on something and so he said something. That was a a very correct in a way. He said with down to influence each other and i did you know i work with the rhythm now. I think to myself would fill a would still have approved this and there are so many ways of dividing up with business the really great dramas whether you going at speed and we've been lucky. In britain to have in quite a few amazing players who some of them came out of jazz ginger baker on a semi mole who would or other extraordinary. John bone taking beaten just without question. Going to time Enough find i get very very long to the bull. No mask approach old time. Basically deep groove toward stones in her mitch mitch mitchell i think also with jimi hendrix. Fantastic player had some great shops and very elvin jones. Sorry he was very elvin jones. Yariel very interesting. I'm thinking of the track. Joe ways basically playing false throughout the whole thing. I doubt whether you'd get a and drummer today doing that. Basically selling through the whole thing. I don't think it. I don't think you could. I mean yeah. I don't i think that's kind of impossible to do. Now is the way. Our ears are trained to hear music. It's like you'd say oh. Gosh what's that guy doing that. If he took that out of that song that classic song that we all know you crab cage. Oh work it does it. Does it does. It doesn't swing because the slope is leading in the first place and so it's the drums make it work. It's that that's the rescue in in in a way. San keith moon did the same kind of thing with i agree totally. I love moons plank flooring cooled the day with dated essay. I've seen that we're gonna go is the star of the show is just Keith monitored does something where i think as drums being picked up. Maybe by the might. That's on the camera. Something and it's all kind of distorted ambien and i just love the sound. It's he's just going at it tong's the man explodes. But sometimes i prefer to clarity. I have to say. I love the idea that the wools shaking buckling under the weight. This guy who's there's something to be said for that right. Come on i i. In a way. I think it's a terrible shame the ceremony dramas get old at five kicked out of the by by producers. Sagging just keep it simple man. Just keep it simple and in the end. It's like all these things you've learned than you think we'll just will will have a drum machine day this right. Did you ever see alvin. I have to ask you to another -nother genius that i've i've i've missed. I never got to see elvin. I sat six feet from him at a small jazz club in toronto. I think even sweated on here a couple of times sweated on everybody in the first ten row. He's a sweaty man. But only tell you who who. I who i did say and i suspect most of this generation Will notice him. I sold the pulled butterfield. Blues bond As a fellow. Monica plan Sold them in nineteen sixty six. He was amiss. Sixteen and playing to a handful of people in very small club would just mind bogglingly wonderful. I think it was a man like crazy right. you know. yes he does classic drummer and pull butterfield. A field on harmonica was just phenomenal and mike bloomfield. Who did lots of stuff with dylan. Sure as was elven. And elvin bishop and bishop yeah man and you know what all three of those guys as soloists. Were just stunning that night. I think maybe the fact that they were playing to the size of an audience when you now nowadays just called a hustle. Everyone's playing without shared Flattening me we've alluded to you guys had a few times just the breadth of your catalog if you will and different variations and styles and that's the thing that sticks out to me and gosh the work ethic i mean it's just like you look you look at that discography and it's every year and sometimes a couple or three things in a year but i have to ask And maybe it's because as i'm looking behind you we're talking here and i see all those like looks like files it's like. I'm adding this image of steve waking up in the middle of the night and being like there's a style haven't done yet. I'm going to write it in. My book is their styles that you have it yet you know explored that you're like i really wanna go there some day or you know it's a funny thing it's it's a it's a strange industry. University qualify unit. Do you. i should know a lot more about jazz on but sometimes you stray into jazz Without even trying. I've looked with jazz is it is. It is a different language. I think that you start out with one idea in music and then with any luck you lose all your prejudice against all the things that you're not interested in when you kid and you come to appreciate the beauty of every instrument which has its place of is no such thing as useless instrument seemed to me. And i'd like you to record that what you just said a little bit ago for my kids so i can play that for them on my nine here. Just a separate track can play on. See you wanna fly the flag full for whatever reason your heart when you first on fire with it. Of course there aren't too. Many kids have going to get fired up about the humble triangle but true co has its place and in there and You might listen tchaykovsky and you realize the company is doing the role until the triangle is doing the same thing for extra break. This in a in a particularly exuberant moment of feeding a triumphant. So it's bottom to talk in the world and that's an extraordinary but your music certainly doesn't lack that dynamic or that range again. I can't say the arrangements are unbelievably beautiful. Well thank you. I've heard a lot of people speak about the their hit songs that came to them between breakfast and lunch and and it just seemed to flow through them and arrive unexpectedly. But then i've also heard the same composer say took three months to find the final version of the song. Do you find any of your stuff comes to you. Extraordinarily quickly and. I don't think i've had quite the mccartney marvin with yesterday and i wearing also wakes up the next day and says oh. I think someone else wrote this. Plays it to a number of people and they will say Figure out the composer but that is an extraordinary gift when it happens. Sometimes i have driven melody. Have you Under it doesn't happen very often but when it dons a you can go well. No one's done that but what a beautiful song isn't that isn't that wonderful or beautiful moment. you you retained it because sometimes right we do that. We wake up and go shit. And you can't get i've i've had that too and for the first few times it happened. I wasn't able to remember exactly what it was much to my frustration. And then i started to be able to remember what it was and i think i was very keen to write it down immediately. Just in case I could remind. I don't trust in memory. is extremely soluble now. I used to write in the early days with genesis. I just remember. I'm dave is to think this is a way of assessing whether it's good or not whether i remember. Yeah not not not now. I think not with voice memo on our phones that saved me many times. Just put it on their real quick. And i think it's a product. Two of the more you do you do that. That lovely album. By paul mccartney was so southie facing lee titled memory almost full if you are as as taller you are and you've been doing this for so long. How on earth could you possibly expect. I even marvel at singers on stage remembering lyrics a three hour show. I mean yeah not many. Do most of them have a teleprompter these days. Well i think somebody told me that if you remember the first the first line of each verse you had a good chance of getting through. So is a trick having employed. Okay just right now. I had a big piece of paper with just the first liner you know. Yeah so we. We worked to cues whether they're visual aurora. All imagine and did you see yourself. D do you do that. Yeah when i'm when. I'm working up a new song. I mean i've got probably thirty of mine than i can still remember everything but if it's a new or song and i may be rerouted a couple of times and it's gone through different changes that makes it even harder to remember so yeah right in that first line down really gonna will spark you. So i've done any types right at really big so i can keep it on the floor so i can see it you know. Yeah yeah and what about you well. It's the same thing. I remembered it really complex. Piano pieces that i've written you know as far back as nineteen seventy five and i still retain those surprisingly. I remember all bills. And and yet i could come up with a really simple song monday and a week later. Go should've moma's that I'm talking like a real simple. A neil young bianco part where you just or mccartney piano part where you just put down something pretty At least now with pro tools put things down. I make a point same with lyrics. I liked certain. I admire lear. So much that i freeze when it comes time to write because i've got joni mitchell standing behind me and peter gabriel over here and and donald donald fagan right up here behind me. I i can't get out of my own way. how do you do it. How do you find your your muse when it comes to words now. That's a that's an interesting thing. In recent years. I've been writing more and more with my wire. Joe but i don't think there's any fool nigga if i really had a formula i could say sometimes music comes first sometimes. It's lyric Sometimes it's You could be led to a song by nefarious. Means we will. This need a portal at what point to something. Stop becoming a rehearsal. And and it solidifies. Into something with framing ryan emory on. I don't think you can teach anyone how to write a song. I think you can. You can teach technique you. Could you can demonstrate But what is it the quantum leap the takes takes out of the hands of the of the the virtue also may be terrified at the idea of coming up with anything themselves. I might the elite composer. How does that work take away. The fair i think is the man. Yeah yeah yeah. Painters dread the white canvas so there might be something similar. There you know. Just how do i dare stain. That pristine white surface. You gotta start making noise to at least respond to what. Yeah that's it. Yes and you can't say. I'm gonna. I'm gonna mess this up before you start. You have to be able to hop right into it or you're it's not going to happen you know it's like jamming every once in a while you'll you'll think you're starting to jam off something cool until the whole band looks at you and says don't call us. We'll call you you know it's just like listening to you guys talking and it's fascinating and it's making me think and the question i have for you. Stay on his back. And you alluded to it a little bit with some bits and pieces here but dialing back to those early seventies with with genesis and making all those great records during those years when you look at the members of the band during that time with all you guys is just mind than you see it now and it makes me think. Can you walk us through that process during those years like what was the dynamic creative creativity like and just the overall experience because the music's incredible and time was and so influential. But can you kind of take us back to that time and how you guys want. The process was the creativity process. All the all that stuff Genesis when i first joined the peter. Gabriel said to me we think of ourselves as as a team of sunrises and they wanted someone who could write as well as play on. My writing was really all in ashburn. Aspirational illinois in advertisements was a writer. It's a bit like saying you know. I'm on the top schiff. I had Cooked meal. But i just knew what is it too so i really bluffed my way as as regards that and i very creepy discovered. The many of the guys will very accomplished songwriters So initially are just contributed. Guitar to things bringing june's we kicked around like a game of football. We just tried A kicking things about Passing the bowl for months of the other. Like a relay race where there's a bathroom and one guy runs with it for a while. Another guy picks up and And kazan fourth will on on that on the live side of of your career. Can you take us back to. What was the first like. Some of the first concerts you went to Maybe growing up as a fan Oh well i was very lucky to say Gigs spy john. Mail joe. At the young peter green. Oh yeah we can just author Left the band. And so. I still several of those gigs. I was very interested in blues stuff with the sonic developments. Were happening in electric guitar. Around around the world of flers So that was a seminal stuff. I feel cream in Awesome in the first year of incarnation and Made a powerful noise for for three piece. Garages mainly mainly. Blues shows Time listening to classical music on these two things are not gonna come together. Blues and baroque. And then i saw can crimson ninety sixty nine which i think was the big one away with the blueprint notch. What was to follow no question. No des brown was mixing jazz with classical music with top music. Wrote on the and huma and the legacy of the beatles were informing these virtual sick young guys. I got to read most of them and down. Time they were doing exactly what i wanted to be able to do. In future in other words to mix it all up where the challenges ulmer's to come up with a new genre every song. If you could do that would be wonderful so these collisions hybrids whatever you call them. That's why i said when. I when i listened to the nights i on i mean you join eddie on one song. As far as i'm concerned in fifty miles you know and and you've got you've got duke. All the different styles are. I can't say are extraordinarily diverse. That's the key in your. Your talent is massive. I've got a specific question Steve if i may look back on the genesis stuff i thought after peter left at was the first record after that was trick of the tail. Was it knocked. Yes attributed trick. The first one is full pace without without peter. Gabriel will the first tune on their dance on a volcano. One of the got to be one of the most difficult prog things that if if you had to learn that for a band that might take you a week. I was just a minor so that that not stuff at the end. That's real furious. And then seven. And then i'm not even sure what you guys go into. After that i quit counting. I thought well. I'm not going to record this song so i'm not gonna try to. I don't have it. I don't have a couple of days to figure out why he tried to do. But i question is. How long did it take you guys to get that song recorded. What was the process on that. I mean d- do have recollection of that. I just find that. That song's basing as far as i remember. I just outside around. I'm gonna. I started working with the band that straight afterwards. It was like trying to give birth twice. It was a little bit tricky. Full me at that time and We will writing in seven. It was a favorite. It was a favorite time signature for us. it's a rhythm much beloved does not just early genesis but also of many insulator to work with chris choir. He said he'd really loved seven as a as a rushing tool in a way that. I don't think it took us that long. Because our load of repeats as the end section where it goes fast and furious yes mine main input into the into the in into the cheer and i still play that quite a lot with my these days awesome. I was talking to jason bonham joan bottom son. It was saying with that was a big influence for hidden. It's it's strange because it's slow and heavy but it's seven it's got the truncated thing phillies to say it's just typing and jimmy get to seven june With your own keeps truncating the end of the ball so it's like this kind of counterpoint. This informing thing then the alley opening stuff. Israeli might ruptured riding with a twelve string bass courtesy newly acquired tourist place pedals. Okay we'll fabulous. Cut man that you guys made its you. You made like the most difficult song in the world sound like it was just tossed it off like you were playing. You know an easy rock tune. I mean it's well it's a funny thing isn't it. Yeah i think. I think the last bit which is largely responsible for Is actually the most difficult thing to pay. Because you're going to be on on your mental with itself question its downfalls even played it with an orchestra company is black lives. Done it once or twice with orchestras. Different officers undoubtedly. Could they hang with you. Yes strangely enough. I think they were all terrified. I law but they were because they look to this stuff so many notes on the page and some of them get anywhere near it wrong. But i but i think that might also be the case as as As roja carrying kobylt says disturbance key stuff he said. Would you go realizes the orchestra's not gonna be able to get this right. They might be orchestra players. Who could be listening to this and bristling that challenge. But i'm just telling you what i've had. Let's try get as close as you can. So it's aspirational playing perfection. Is the enemy. Give a good. So there's something to be said for that. yeah. I don't know if we ever ever reach perfection. You just try. Yeah that's what keeps us going right. Slow i'm lucky enough to grow listening to the beatles on i'm taking it. The plague in the main is is is is is not technically is beautifully imperfect. I i agree yeah. Can you tell us a little bit about your forthcoming acoustic working on now. I've just album recorded Cold under mediterranean sky and it's basically acoustic orchestra all their all players on it but they will working in the mine remotely or giving that performance season sending men It's really I used as wood landscaping earlier. The idea during something. That's typically spanish. Typically french taking greece seventy areas around the mediterranean. The known world for the ancients really taught to to be able to change the style of music. So you might realize that you're in spain with track. Could andalusian heart. For instance is really you know the area around the lucia has the elaborate palace it also has a sacramento where the gypsies live playing dancing in the cage. On the moors part of that too right exactly. The morrish inference all serb all things and lucian conjure the gypsy magic of spain. I tried to capture some of that in a in a cutting rodrigo like star concerto. The hiring where. It's a mini version of that. That piece originally airing words was made. Popular by miles davis. Rediscover i believe it was written in the nineteen twenties miles davis recorded. I think in nineteen fifties early sixties sketches stranger gray on gray record. He was the one who who popularized species might've been pasta. So you are an american jasmine giving his take on something on something which has been hailed as as as a as a masterpiece on my father was a big fan of manatat stepladder Where you draw from for that well you know. I think that every guitarist i've ever watched has become my teacher if they've been doing something that was interesting like for instance when zinc quebec one day regard playing in the apron. Bosca doing this move. And i thought. Oh that's how that one's dumb interesting with with the fingers to get a cold and then on the return from top to bottom. He was just using one finger to bring the full thing. I i wa- that's how you that cyclic thing. You know the the equivalent of cyclic breathing. The would win and boston. Control in kirk ronin cotton rural towns in the guy with Plays sax and flute showed how that was possible on on sex and he really did it while he's threads filling up in his mouth doing one thing and it's incredible. It's just incredible to watch the. Actually he's keeping up the pressure with cheeks but he's in hiding while i looked at his credits on your project and he's he's the one that plays to do to. I would've guessed you brought some someone in from the middle east. But we'll know funny he. He learned to duke but on the on the on the current album. The they want the under mediterranean sky. there was a guy from amina. It's it's an nominee an instrument and there was a meeting got in touch with me. When i was due to play paris. We would do to. It didn't quite work out. We stayed in touch. And i heard it is playing this great. So he's on. Either one of the tracks. I sent it to him. He said it by buckingham menia on the same track. A guy playing the tall which. I recorded a couple of years ago when i was in in hungary in budapest and playing on the same track cold l. The dishes the jin rolling. Don sutton and thirsty. Regions are at war with each other. Right now in nagorno-karabakh region has been great budging. They're little people killed. Aren't the armenians moving out of territory. Which is now being. Re tonto azerbaijan but politics seems to divide and music Seems to be able to create situations where people come together. So that's that's that could be a wonderful. I got that what. I want your video for behind the smoke. I got a good feeling about that. Same thing that it had beauty and anguish melancholy. And i've got one last thing to say quickly steve as think. Say it's a wonderful thing that on webpage that you're selling merchandise for the guys that are in your crew. That can't work right now. That's fantastic man about and i would encourage you have brands. You know to do that. I think it's very worthwhile thing. So yeah we're we're with selling mosques very cool by the way cool. Thank you t shirts and then handwritten lyrics every one of them. I did individually and other ideas. Come up and i think that's a great idea to do them very nice. It's it's such a pleasure to be able to do that and it's been wonderful. Children she guys in to somebody else out. So thank you so much for joining us today. Steve we appreciate all the back. Steve they get over this guys.

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Name Your Poison

This is Today

10:00 min | 4 months ago

Name Your Poison

"It's national best friend's day today. Snoop dogg martha stewart or hanging out relationship so awesome. This is today. Welcome to this. Is today the podcast that features the stories that make this day unique. It's tuesday june eighth twenty twenty one. I'm russ and here's what you need to know about today. Yeah national best friend's day today. I don't know. I don't get the relationship i like it. snoop dogg and martha stewart. Never thought wouldn't come in but Awesome on the I think it was the martha stewart roast or. Maybe it was the snoop dogg rose. I don't know but seeing them together. Awesome who else in. Hollywood is best friends we got. Oh bre and gayle king right. Yeah matt damon. And ben affleck according to insider dot com matthew mcconnahey guy ferrari. Our best buds leonardo dicaprio and tobey. Maguire also best buds according to that source. I what i think of best buds. I'm going back to the nineties now. I'm thinking about nicole. Richie and paris hilton. Are they still a bff's because that show was at the symbol life. Wow started a trash tv. I i would say or at least one of the first ones. They're that crazy reality. Tv thing it turns out they are still on good terms. They still do hang out. Sometimes but yeah. They're they're not quite the. Bff's added they used to be back in the ninety s. So if you were wondering about that now now you know okay. What else is it today. World oceans day today. Yeah seventy percent or so of our planet is ocean and we're actually taking more out of the oceans than can be replenished. So that's not a good thing so the u- in established this day to help us recognize the role that the oceans play in our everyday life. And yeah they do Including some of the air that you breathe about fifty percent of it comes from the oceans. I you can visit the un website for more details about world oceans day. It's also name your poison day today. What does that mean exactly. No we're not talking like actually naming a poison. 'cause you know we could name off a bunch of those but no that is not what we're talking about today we are instead talking about your drink. Yeah that's what that's called when you say name your poison your at bar right and you go when you grab a drink and bartenders. Ao name your poison. And they'll buy that drinker. Give you that drink and make you that drink see. I don't even know how bar works anymore. It's been so long since. I've been to par not not because i'm trying to be over. But does they all been closed in california. Everything's kind of reno reopening now and it sounds like a been to a bar today the way that i'm stumbling but no no i have not and you think about it. Really though the quarantine sort has hurt comedy you know why will because in many places for over a year nobody has walked into a bar. All right let's take a look our events for today happening on this day. In seventeen eighty-nine. James madison introduced. Twelve proposed amendments to the united states constitution in congress will what were they well. They became the bill of rights. Not all twelve. Of course right. There's only ten in the bill of rights. They dropped out the bad ones where it said that james madison would be king forever. Don't think that was one of them. No no that wasn't. I just checked with my sources But yeah they made some changes. There took the the best of the ten. And here's the thing though. James madison didn't even want these actually. At the end is amendments. He wanted these as a part of the constitution. Kinda like dua right of many bits of it. sorta inner. We've some of the stuff and check this out. He actually wanted to do a preamble to the preamble of the constitution. This is like a prequel to the constitution. That's what he wanted to do. This whole bit. Written any wanted to put their in the beginning of the constitution. So it's sort of like a prequel in you know me. I'm not a fan of prequels because thanks charge are being. Yeah i nine hundred forty nine on this day george. Orwell's dystopia novel. Nineteen eighty four was published. Okay so he talked about the future right. The future nineteen eighty-four were. We're so far past that but has anything come true from this. Will he think about it. They talked about surveillance state and check us out. Now we've got our Goule homes and are alexa. Devices microphones and cameras basically monitoring. Whatever we do we we hope not there that they're monitoring everything but we don't know maybe and then. Of course we've got like government warrantless wiretapping. Otheir was also the the language the truncated language they talked about in their called newspeak emojis. Hello yeah we're we're going. We're going down around here and there was this thing called double think right. Where basically you simultaneously hold to opinions one cancels out the other. Yeah okay and we totally do this now or we don't do this now decide on this day in nineteen eighty three trading places premiered. You know eddie murphy. Jamie lee curtis. Dan ackroyd amazing movie. One of the greats The next year. Dan ackroyd was in another great movie. Ghostbusters debuted on this day. In nineteen eighty four. It stayed in the top chart for seven weeks that first week it made thirteen point five million dollars and that actually became columbia pictures biggest weekend of all time surpassing tutsies a eleven point two billion dollars and when you look at the movies that came out because another great movie came out on this day in one thousand nine hundred four. The hit movie gremlins. I loved that movie. And i still do look at the movies that came out in one thousand nine hundred four. These were the top. The number one movies from nineteen eighty-four police academy indiana jones and the temple of doom purple rain red on the terminator all of me beverly hills cop footloose splash. Come on hollywood. If you're wondering why people are not going to the movies anymore. Aside from the whole pandemic thing. It's because we need movies like this again. Come on hollywood right. We don't need remakes of old movies. We don't need more marvel movies. I know they're fine. They're great and all but come on. Let's get some great movies out there. We don't eat fast and furious. Twenty eight how about this. This is today the podcast the movie. I think that could work work on the script. I don't know maybe not speaking of podcasts. I do have another one coming out today. Called learning more. It is a new episode. We're talking about r. In a we've heard a lot about this in the media joined by henny rigs who is going to help us learn a little more. What is mr in a well. Marnie is the middle step in how you go from. Dna to making the products of dna which proteins the mri is the messenger. That takes a message from the dna out into the cell to say here's how to make a protein and then all of the magic in the sale happens in proteins. Get cranked out. That's what it is a penny. I i look forward to learning more with you today. As i mentioned that podcast is coming out later today. We're gonna talk about 'em are and the research to win into the vaccines and how that can help us in the future. Thanks penny thanks. All right let's now talk about one more event that happened on this day in two thousand twelve in pensacola florida and adjacent areas. They experienced wide spread flooding on this day in two thousand twelve after an aggressive rainstorm. Hit the area. The second official rainfall total ever recorded happened on this day. In pensacola thirteen inches of rain. It beat the previous record of fifteen inches of rain setback in one thousand nine thirty four. All right. let's take a look at our birthdays for today. I i've got mentioned. Jerry stiller born on this day in one thousand nine hundred twenty seven. He passed away last year. May of twenty twenty also nancy sinatra born on day turning eighty one. Bonnie tyler is seventy. Maria menounos is forty three. Joan rivers was born on this day in one thousand nine hundred eighty three. She passed away in twenty fourteen. Kanye west turns forty four. Has the best party ever now. That was beyond saying Skaggs transit seventy seven and keenen. Ivory wayans is sixty three. That's your look at june eighth. Thanks for listening to this is today. We do our best to pull together all the correct information if we made a mistake and you heard it. You're super smart and we're super sorry. Be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcast and give us a five star if you think we deserve it. If you'd like to make sure that we cover something on a future episode just head over to our website and remember you episode of learning more. Just click the link in the description. I hope you enjoyed learning about today. I'm russ talk to you tomorrow.

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That 80s Show - The Podcast. Hoff, Hoff and more Hoff. A pawn shop or a porn shop. Belinda Carlisle parties too hard.

That 80s Show SA - The Podcast

48:30 min | 3 months ago

That 80s Show - The Podcast. Hoff, Hoff and more Hoff. A pawn shop or a porn shop. Belinda Carlisle parties too hard.

"The newly no no. No no no no no no no no no no no welcome to that eighty. Show the show that identifies as sonny crockett. We're looking about gender politics on sonny crockett. That's that's who we all let. Hr it works both of us. How are you dorie palo when we start a show with some cheesy country rock. I'm good so big panic. Big panic at that eighty show headquarters yesterday afternoon door. And i had guest lined up was gonna take up a good half hour of the show and shiduan conflicts. These days can make it or god. What are we going to do. We got to fill up half an hour. We don't talk shit for an extra but the eighty s and one visiting particular always provides. 'cause dora yard started telling me early in the week. One of our favorites huge favorite of the show huge favorite of mine in my life has released new albums. Oh do tell me more so go down this rabbit hole. So you're going to tell us about the new song. Ad rabbit hole got. You're not literally or not mean that is literally people wake up in a cold sweat talking about that. That is a knock. So i go down this idi rabbit hole to discover his new music Which then not too. Not not any not a our favorite to save the show who saved the show saved us. He saves the day whether he's in a call in trunks. He saves the day and he saved that asia. You're going to tell us about the music and then do is go. Hello google david hasselhoff news. Search and my god dude. Things appear glorious so first. Let's get into the hoff's new sung slash album. We play to dissolve gotta chair. Let's play a little bit. You'll recognize that. It's a remake that is the passenger. Eureka's iggy pop. Did it originate. What i mean. That's headed attend a couple of renditions over the years but it was originally. Yeah i think it's one of the songs as great american songbook top stuff right sock these american songs that are just standard rot. So the music video. This is gross. I've got jimmy moody black and watch full nor i come. I love it. David hasselhoff though because david hasselhoff. I went the other way. Because he's vehicular once again but he's in a bus he's a passenger. Of course that's very literal and david hasselhoff in leather. Getting in a bus rot. Amazing stuff not talking call. This is i mean you know you're off but anyway he doesn't wanna top cost himself. He's moved on very moody vay foam nor black leather jacket. David heslop just being the hof just amazing. So have you done any research into. Have you delved deeper into the story. I did not go down the rabbit hole. Oh glorious glorious so firstly. let's finish on that song again. Is that that. Song is obviously iggy pop. Who i mean he is. I mean what are your. But he keep up mean that is one of the videos of him online with his parrot or not. The pawsox cockatiel is till my god. It's so funny okay right. Yeah so. Firstly iggy pop does the regional version of the passenger. The lurks of the passenger were based on Loosely based on jim morrison song pum. Jim morrison poem rotten with autistic on the original version of the passenger guests. You collaborated with epoch. David debbie larssen. David wright who did piano organ end the backing vocals. The nine nine. Nine nine hundred anna. That's dave but all this autistic integrity means nothing on this. The office pot of it right because so yes the tweet. I'm going to read you the tweet that announces his new album. David hasselhoff david hasselhoff earphones with june twenty fifth posts. Here so happy to be sharing new music with you. My new single the passengers out and you can preorder new album. His new album comes out on september. The food you know what it's cold just see what's not a joke audio hassle of going to hashtag. It's even hashtag party your hasselhoff. We gotta get that. He is so self aware it is. He is like a piece of performance art. David has off. Because obviously there's the mean party has a lot. It's been around for ages so it's like you know what i'm gonna gonna own any time people wanna make of me. I'm gonna own it. He is a genius. He is many be made fun of he doesn't care. He couldn't care lis- he couldn't but he's not just money out of album cells. No no no no party hassle. What's gonna go quadruple platinum diamond. What what's the hocine germany. Shaw i mean so speaking of germany. He's a huge celebrity. We know this and you think it was just the. He's actually huge. Only been huge. In germany germany iran locked the whole world gotta get vaccinated get vaccinated encourage people not going to get into the politics of that but so i think that months it if you're german he Well we need star power to get people. Vaccinated footballers will help us in a colon. Who are we going to call so a video pops up. This rabbit hole takes david hasselhoff standing in front of us. Beautiful mentioned match. I imagine you mentioned multiple. Mentions palm trees in the background. Take a listen to this if this does not. What if an anti vaccine. We don't have to get the politics. I don't know you. You may change your mind a little bit after listening to this encouragement what i'm looking for is to get life back to normal. Is the freedom the freedom to get vaccinated and go around the world. The most important experience of the pandemic for me is death causes get vaccinated the advice. I can give to everyone in america and to the world and to germany is get vaccinated. Talk to you can. Type stuff from the hawks. Cock dot in unim-. I am currently staring into multiple crystal ball right now and i'm seeing into future when joe biden is no longer president and kanye west's longer president and the rock is no longer president and the rock is now under president. The half is going to be president. One day he will of the world. could you small. You've just gone america luck. I don't and maybe president of germany and you know obviously he drops in a few things there is. I'm talking about freedom you know. That's what made me think i know it's mandated that that video is beautiful because he's in a tight shirt and shows guns we he's been vaccinated. I mean that must have taken him snyder to get through the skin but all we done dory. Oh we done because hasselhoff now rules germany now recently. He showed up on south. African youtube pre rolls. Because i don't want to say screen. Tv him he showed up on south african. You pre rolls in indeed a chicken licken now little surprise for you. We'll be speaking to some of the people of nonsense told you. We spent some of the people involved in that ed. I don't really care for how they made the kits and onto what they're meeting with. David hasselhoff so of chicken. Add that got a kit kit car. That is not brady there are. It is not a perfect former because you could have bought one auction and in it. David hasselhoff is makes an appearance towards the end of the dead. Good sports loves. There's some what we call and cillari content shoulder content. That comes out of the ad again in this video once you go down the rabbit hole. David hasselhoff news. You david hasselhoff vaccination germany. David hasselhoff speak zulu right so once again. This is shot. Looks very much the same house. But now we by the pool the same house that was in germany vaccination ed. He's now moved down poolside. Amazing it's gonna grotto. It's got everything i mean. What david has love the pool probably opens and go to an ungrounded. He's standing in. He's wearing very much michael. Nitish top Outfit got a very nineteen eighty s. Say telephone and it goes a little something like this. Hey kit it's michael. Look i know you haven't been returning my calls. And i hope you are mahala talk soon. Look i know things have gone a little between us. But i miss you man look. I know that you've probably still staying shosha loza and that you're a month la okay. Call me man. I mean things have been a little calcutta without you call me back. But he is michael sharp sharp. That is amazing. What talking amodu dorey. This you amazing. You know the comment on youtube under the song passenger. Which just sums this whole thing up which is like was going to say the healthiest back which we all know he never left. You see. that's it dude. I i love him. I love him. Like i loved him as a kid. Like you cannot understand how much i love. Marc lamont rats of love malcolm. I loved kids. I was i was nuts for that again. Report on if there was across of between the a team. And i would have even as an adult thinking about that now. Connie even a con even comprehend such a thing right. That's how much. But i love my climate and then obviously we realize okay. He's david hasselhoff. He's an actor doesn't all this and the name braces his cheesiness and embraces the. Meme that he's become a. I love him. Well it's not to love. God and i stole mclean to fame swim in london. He was the emcee for the cannonball run launch. From london to japan. I saw him in the distance but he was there. I was in the breathing. The same space as david hasselhoff. When you could do such a thing you know now. With no davis he's he's being jab jab aubrey's that's what a glorious david hasselhoff rabbit hole feel like eating a hamburger on the floor and rubbing myself. Well okay sir. David hasselhoff saved that eighty show and not for the first time coming to the rescue back on that eighty show just having taken a little. Tom hoff can see what's going on with this show. I swear to god. I did not at that just came out of my mouth like something takes over doria. A did not even prepare. That just popped up okay. Movie tom yet another panic this week about movies. Dorey your review this movie. Oh what's happening. What's happening in the world as we have alluded to in the past first of all older than you. This is no secret to anyone and my brain does not work. Could use to you know. It's the eighties was your heyday. You're you're getting on in years and memories really bad and at some point. We kind of realized that we're gonna need to keep track of which movies because we don't want to necessarily repeats and is enough movies. We don't to repeat. we're not gonna run out. Not sure. I mean we probably will eventually but talking about twenty years down line. Well well at that point we just start making movies like who's really well the thing right so you put a document together. But we didn't do the document from the very beginning of and we. And i mean that document was hav made on memory rocks. What movies let me think. Kind of ront. Yup and document is not complete litter. Pretty bad at remembering to keep updating. That's what i'm gonna say. Your first floor here is relying on me for edmund. It's not even a touch exits google version of it. But even then it's more like akitas version of excel but so that's that's a massive flow in your strategy. Goodness have we done this phone. Because i kind of in the mood for something like this week from album. Bring the darkness and the hip. This weekend i bring the light. Some are i. Don't dance that evidence and then our wintertime the dock and palestine's. Maybe you've done it already. Which was space baseball's right. What a grateful. Rot watergate film. You did it. I vaguely remember you doing it. One of the whole of famous. It's one of the hall of fame. I mean what. A grateful. And i hate stalls but i love space bills so i thought okay. Fine do that. Oh wait what about this one. And i did a search in the dock and it didn't come up which does not necessarily mean we haven't done. It might just be the documents drawn. But i'm gonna do it anyway if we've done it. Sumi on literally cannot literally cam. It's in the same vein space bowls because let's talk about. Let's talk about parody falls palo eighties. They was like to parody film. Kemp's let's say it's called him camps. You had mel brooks and camp was a big and camp was a big pot of parody films down very camp indeed brooks who did space balls. I mean he. He's a genius. Can i still around brooks delivers he is. He's ninety five or somewhere around. He i remember he was like in curb your enthusiasm playing himself in his late eighties. Yeah yeah he is still around. Which is awesome news so he did space bulls. He didn't few other forms. Which i'm not even mentioned it because at some point who probably discuss them. But then the other k which sounds protect law firm zaka abrahams and zaka. We haven't done this range of movies outstanding. So i mean. I think we've mentioned them in the course of the show but zaka abrahams and zarqa. Who are jim. And then david and jerry zaka brothers made i mean. Let me let me read you. What says a wikipedia specialized in writing slapstick comedy films during the nineteen eighties. I mean that's a claim to fame. That is what they are known for. And it was such a unnecessary influence on young me. Let's suppose it wasn't necessarily that. Suppose wasn't necessarily my development. I mean i- ve gorged those funds a absolutely gorge them anything in a spoof or parody genre because once you had success iran goes while we want own version of that and erin sorta making them. Yeah and they were and also what it does is that then you watching the comedy because your parents let you watch the comedy. 'cause ago this must be funny at soon appropriate. Yeah but it leads you onto the source material and you start going into like. Oh what movies are they parodying at the same time. I was reading mad magazine. Also reading mad magazine from six years old So i have this development of the whole world is surreal. And then when i go out there but people just on making inappropriate jokes all the time and sought gags what is how boring is lose real life. Real of sucks. So then i go into my own universe but very very crucial part of my development. The genre of movie So i mean. They known for airplane airplanes a classic. I think we've probably mentioned it over the phone. It's on the show at some point done airplane now could not. Illicit airplane was the f. Was the first sort of eighty s. Tot yeah came out. in one. Thousand nine hundred eighty it's a cutler home run on. Actually right they look. They did do a movie before. The nineteen seventy seven called the p. Fraud which i have not seen sons. Oh that sounds like it'll be terrible to be honest with could go either way right so you aeroplane said as i am. I still quoted to this day. I mean don't call me shirley and indie the scene where listening nelson arrives it was. Is it literally nielsen notes. it's Some michael douglas cook. Douglas know who's who plays the guy non investigating on the grounded the ground controller. I'll tell you now. Because i'm gonna just quickly check because now obviously the planes lost control nielsen. Stack lloyd bridges. I think bridges right so lloyd. Bridges now comes in. he's going to be at ground. Control controllers non control. The thing as he walks in he says to the guy one of the since. Tell me everything that's happened up. Until now and he goes well it was a big explosion and the planet's afford through these of time and in the middle listening to but is in the background and then prince charles. Princess diana's dress you just put it on rights. Atomic couldn't believe airplanes grades. It's not the movie. I'm talking about today. But it's great the naked guns. We know great. Then you get into the nineties. And these filmmakers were involved with hotshots hotshots was to love hotshots iconic iconic scene is. When he's charlie sheen's character is shooting at iran and they have the random violence calculated knicks. Tim teddy's all these movies that he's not taking. It's the most grateful but the movie i'm talking about. Today is probably the other most well known from the little film called top secret. Now we have done top secret hampshire we but we will do it over and over and over again you factoid. It's okay it's okay. I have new facts about topsy over to you and your not so secret anymore. Top-secret movie if we've done it. I'm not going to lack dwell on the plot and i know if just ridiculous if we had done it. If we had done that we've done it over a year ago. So just treat it as if it is new. Okay while i mean this little practice actually quite ridiculous. I'm not going to actually go into too much. But essentially top secret is set in a kind of an inverted commas would germany because it almost looks like it's still during the nazi regime so it's supposed to be post will but they presented like nazi germany. And i'll protagonist nick rivers played by belmont. Is this american. Rockstar is coming to perform concert in east germany. A whole lot of shenanigans. I'm not even going to go into lots of shenanigans involving scientists and submarines and army peop-. I mean it's just such a great film if you haven't seen it just damn well go and watch it. I had no idea what you can watch it but just find and watch it but apart from the fact that it is i mean. It's just a typical parody. Huma way and just silliness and my favorite scene. There's a scene where this giant statue of a pigeon and you see people float down like flying down and pooping on the onset. She just silly little things like that. It's kind of mad magazine as you were saying. You know little bill details mama. I love the two bits. I'll have is the one with the old discussed this cows and invariably counted amorous with one of them and they are hiding out in a safe house and somebody throws a hand grenade through the window and one of the guys to be here jumps on the hand grenade but even all surrounding metric silliness just ridiculousness volcanoes. I roll. they'll kilmer's first tomorrow and never mind that. I bet you know this about the movie widow. Yankovitch considers his old town favorite movie. I have been doing for some reason. Widow yankovitch keeps spiraling into my world. Lately don't know what it is It doesn't it. Zero surprises me zero. I mean it makes sense if you think about it. If this is all time favorite movie it probably inspired him to do parody as his career. That's what he did. I was actually reading about widow. Yankovitch some of his spoofs off performing better still to the stay. Spoofs of eighty songs that he did perform better than the originals and generate more plays and things like that and Which is crazy you gotta remember. This got spoofed thriller. He spoofed fatty spoof. Black a virgin fat bed. He spoofed like a virgin so he's move some massive songs and some of his. Doing they do better today than than the source material. it makes sense because know. There's that whole novelty factor. I guess like you've got younger Younger generation coming. And they're not necessarily gonna lock the older songs but they'll find the the spoofs Yeah so surprised. Not surprisingly toxic was actually a bit of a box office flop at the time. It didn't actually do that well because it did come off the airplane which was a huge success. Yeah yeah now. David's zaka one of the rifles direct to sit. The lesson we took from airplane was just philip ninety minutes with drugs and you have movie with. It's very funny but it isn't really a good movie. It didn't have a plot or real characters real structure now pissing lead. That's what i liked about it. Yeah it's just a series of skits. Yeah it didn't really matter wasn't going what's going on in the story line. I didn't care just hilarious but this took me down a bit of val kilmer rabbit hole. Sorry eddie rabbit hole and did you know that volk health is really not good at the moment. I've heard that. I've heard that i'd want to say that. He's losing his assad. But i think i'm confusing it with a movie is in but yes. I've heard that he's had health problems for longtime. Yeah so in twenty fifteen he. They found a tumor and he was denied. Who's like none of two months from find them. Find von bennett tuned out that he did have kept some sort of cancer and he quote experienced a healing of cancer in two thousand seventeen. He said that he he was so. You had some sort of cancer but he had managed to kick it then. The hollywood reporter actually revealed in december twenty seventeen. That kilmer gone through a two year battle with throat. Cancer had a on his trachea that has reduced his voice to a raw and rendle short of breath. Okay basically has no voice now. That's what i'm thinking of. Okay so i knew. I knew he was losing something okay. So that's what i was thinking of. Yeah say as a voice now but was the net. Listen to this lost year. He there was a whole thing about how he's now being cancer. Free for four years but he can no longer eats say asked us a feeding tube. Isn't that terrible actually. Feels said it is a really horrible way to live. You know is terrible because jokes. Assad about val kilmer and ana people mean about him but yeah i love top secret and then he was batman. So you know it's like this guy. I mean two of my favorite movies involved him so you know and and it's terrible to you about that. I mean he wasn't top gun he might not have been that he was in top gun. He was in which is a grateful. One of my one of my favorite. What's what movie was that. What will oh yeah. Yeah yeah. I mean he he was he was jim. Jim morrison and the doors. Oh yuck geez forget about that. Yeah and he totally method. Jim morrison. yeah. Send some grateful is. He's done some bad folks but he's done some great firms wonderland which was full from two thousand and three was in really good for london. If you've watched that this that was very good shine. That's kiss bang. Bang one of my favorite films. That robert downey junior crate. I mean he's done some amazing things but now it's his career is over and i don't know how much longer it's gonna survive it. That sounds like he's he's not in a good state. Nah this terrible thing is. He's not that old he is only sixty one. Yeah let's say yeah. That's terrible news about fell kilmer and i'm sorry to how do i brought the latin abroad. The darkness good. It's very balanced anything you want on that eighty show you'll get the full spectrum so you know what i've almost you said some movies that goes. I think not as a review. I think we need to talk about the top gun series at one stage. Oj simpson's super-problematic skip him but then a you mentioned another name there that wanting to review that movie for a while Interesting so but you know what it makes me. Sad about spoof. Movies is listen. There is no space for political correctness and spoof movies it is it is everything is open season and unfortunately you just make them. No you know I think. I don't think people points that clever to to do parody parody i dunno if parody is like a lost art but i just couldn't get away with a spoof now or if they do them and i have seen some suppose maybe maybe outgrow it. Maybe in a way you've outgrown the and if you had a watch top secret a naked gun as like if i'm in my forties in the eighties go. Wow that is such banal childish nonsense. But because i was a child i was like wow. This is amazing stuff. And now i suppose because i'm an older watching stuff. They all the child and the child. Maybe it doesn't raisin listen. I am all in my feels. Because i'm waiting for human revelation to come out. I mean that is just the biggest on the on that on that. I just wanna throw something out there so if you don't know he men revelation kevin smith doing animated re reappraisal. It's actually a follow up of the he man series from the eighties and The trailer uses holding off a hero. Bonnie tyler yeah okay so then. Because i'm a nerd. I look at stuff guardians of the galaxy. There's a new guardians of the galaxy video game coming out and there's a trade afford guests which use us donna again. Bonnie tyler holding out for a hero. And then i forget two thirds thing but also all released all released within two week period so they must not have known each other. They're all working on these things at the same time certain thing. I think it's also move your tv show trailer using holding out for a hero by bonnie tyler. How much money she making. No it's actually crazy three things at the same time so they're obviously all in production together and and so they don't know everything will releases imagine. As soon as i think the the human one drop. I if i got damaged we thought who's gonna remember the terrible eighty song terrible. He was saying the millennials and the gen xers the gene or them. The children's this day was saying not us go. What an amazing song. I love notes. An amazing some has been in multiple movies so whenever you need a hero in a movie. They play the song waiting for hero. Serendipity don't do. I have a movie for. You can't wait word. Do i have a movie for you. We're talking about movies is of cyst with as a kid and i loved parodies. I loved mad magazine. But i also had a thing for greek and roman mythology. That about me. I did not i loved it. I loved it. The roman greek gods. I was all over it every book in school library that we are go straight. Let's section and take out the stories. I loved it so imagine my surprise when as a kid. This movie came out a little bit earlier but wrote in my peak. Nineteen eighty eight eighty nine ninety. Nine hundred ninety. I discover this movie. That sort of covers goes. Oh my word. This is the time. I'm actually watching a movie loosely. Based on the stories that have read and all this comes to life. I don't think of ever watched a movie with laurence olivier. But i did with us. Also starring ursula andress. Oh gorgeous speaking of gorgeous. Starring i draw mark hamill a law and lisa renna fame. When he's what's your thoughts camel lock hammo. I don i mean yeah is all is gonna come in all the movie. I'm talking about very very contrary to no. It's not country because it's actually inverted is one of the cheese classic movies a movie that it could solve very seriously but a super cheesy and people love it is a movie called clash of the titans. Okay okay made nine hundred. Eighty nine hundred eighty. They remade it a few years ago. we'll probably talking about ten years ago now. So clash of the titans is loosely based on a few stories in roman in greek mythology. Okay they couldn't find exactly the story so they made their own sort of lack of beat off brand version of the story and it involves a mock hamel plays a human who was fathered by zia's the the the the the father of the god the main greek god right and With a human woman and zeus. Well as sort of kept on him people find out that the mother had the child out of wedlock blah blah blah blah. Throw them in. The sea and zeus saves him his. Listen you of your destined for bigger things. Along the way falls in love with the princess and the only way to get the head of the prince's he has to complete. These quests and these talks a k. War and he goes on this adventure with all these different mythology mythological characters included among them is. He's gotta take asus okay. He's got to defeat medusa medusa. And if you ever heard of medusa the lady with the snake snakes in her hair and ultimately he's gotta defeated the cracking. We all say released the cracking as we it comes from he's gonna re defeat the kraken masao mythological creature which is just wreaking havoc and once he defeats him he can overthrow something something something stories and then when the hand of the princess and actually take his place as a ruler with zeus. Prove that even though you have human you still have these powers he gets given. Zeus gives him a some magical sword a helmet that makes him invisible and then a magical shield and off. He goes on his adventures. Now is the sit in lock the old mythological tons or is it safe in the snow sits in old mythological times. Yeah okay so. I want to that because i definitely haven't seen it and you you were talking about harry hamlin not mark hamill correct you. You're right you're right. That's harry hamlin's harry hamlin. That's harry him as confused by the low thing because we know handles from star wars. yes yes. That's pro harry hamlin. Thank you very much thank you. That is the case of. Isn't it as well also in. It is very nice. Cost very very nice. Cost oceana andress. That i mentioned beautiful and she is not which makes sense because she is just beautiful. Exactly now. the movie is sit in the mythological tons it is super superfund super camp. Super silly now. One of the things about it is that it uses. It was one of the lost big budget loss of its era because his comeback in the form of it's irritate use. Stop motion animation. Okay now anyone who's ever encountered stop motion animation. It is tom consuming labor of love. But you basically taking a creature or character or something moving it frame by frame and informing it then putting altogether it just takes forever. And this is how they did a lot of specialty fix Up until computers came in and roundabout the time. This movie was being made. The guy who is in charge of the special effects is a man called raymond. Harry housing okay. Now that sounds like a girl. Raymond harry hutchison but he was the godfather of stop motion animation. To the point he wasn't just part of the off department. He was often an executive producer on most of his movies quiz yet. Create the characters who they were what they're about and find the story. Listen to the people that he who sows him as they inspiration steven spielberg peter jackson. Joe dante tim burton. James cameron glimmer. Del toro george lucas. John lester j.j. abrams and wiz anderson. So own these guys saying and rut. Wow so all of them say this is the guy that inspired them. So raymond harry hutchison when he wants to make the movie. He's looking for a say goes to a few studios. They didn't like his choice of lead actor. They said we'll find fund. Your movie will give you the budget. We've got a guy. He's an unknown austrian bodybuilder. But he wants to get into movies. Make him your lead. Like no no arnold schwarzenegger for me. I'll go to the next steve. Thank you very much. Wow now what happened at the time of this movie. Is that at the time though. Making it like say. They're moving away from stop motion into cgi so this movie released at the time. I mean this is the roster released with star wars superman close encounters of the third kind star trek and the impostors strikes back plus alien case. So these movies are all now. They're using siegi a taking it to the next level of and he still using this very old technique so when you actually watch them together at is a little bit jarring and slow bit stilted but in a way that actually adds to the mythology of it because it goes it's supposed to look weird and off and not quite right and and you can appreciate it a little bit for that. So another thing in the movie also took taken inspiration from star was created. A character called boo. Here's a little golden owl and he would bouba and you. He's local but basically if rtd to from star wars was wasn't al. It'd be boo so there was a lot of criticism saying well. You've just copied off duty to to make your own. But it was the end of the era for that top of stop motion animation. They didn't don't really do major. Big budget stop animation movies for quite a while after that and then sort of had a revival light on tim burton actually Bringing it back with The princess broad And and bringing stop motion back and of course that famous scene of the stop motion hamburger thing in roof did with and there was also a little bit. Oh yes junkies exile block it online. There's also feeble stop motion and beetlejuice so threats together. Start tiny little threads together from raymond harry housing. So that's my movie clash of the titans identity. Haven't seen it. I mean. I think i mean when i i've heard of it. I've heard the expression. Yes it's it is. It is silly but it is like old. Theatrical laurence olivier in the fifties top of storytelling set in a mythical time some animations sex something i enjoy. I think. I'll have to check it out. Medusa will scare the crap out of you. You will not sleep after medusa. You'll not see pedal remember. Maybe i'm remembering falsely because the brain does does pay tricks on you. The that old animated film the rescue as they was medusa top character in the risk towards the end of the phone. It from memory. I might be wrong. And i had niamey's four years after watching that movie medusa concept to so frightening because she didn't because i think what she did is that she took on the form of a beautiful woman. You'd you in turn into medusa stadium. Is you tuned to stun. Yeah i mean mean. That'll that'll concept. It's terrifying sleep for for weeks. And just as googling now dancing muscle fraught. There is indeed a medusa in the rescuers. And it is exactly as i remember it matters. Medusa the may antagonise of disney's nineteen seventy seven animated feature film the rescuers. She owes a cd porn shop in new york. Yeah y'all know this this. Brian i mean think about nineteen seventy seven so we probably got maybe seventy eight seventy nine. I was a young child. I sold on the screen. I was scott. Took me a moment there to realize that you opponent w. n. as not impede or talking disney what different So listen this a couple of good movie again. Top secret clashes. Totten's the rescue is something for everyone in the family. A whole family on that eighty shows movie recommendations big. Finish that eighty show fun show today thou that we really can talk so much rubbish for as long as we need inspired by david hasselhoff and it's not done just yet just yet. What a nice article did we find. I think the chart savant barrett shared this with us. Belinda carlisle what a great interview. I don't know if you had the chance to read it. It is up on the. Let me give some holiday story. The first thing i read that upsets me is that there is a go-goes documentary floating around that. I have not seen how about that. So i have. Scouted is available on amazon. But i'm not sure if it's on our amazon prime and it's about the history of the go-goes and belinda carlisle talks about her life with the go-goes and a lot of her behind the scenes challenges and Thing they say here is that no female hottest has been as successful as the go-goes company. That yeah what about banana. Rama all we can houston or as as as a band as a bent. So i don't know. I'm i'm gonna look into that. I just scanned it. But i'm not going to be like okay. That's that's quite interesting She talks about her drug problems and says that she's saying you'd think of the bengals open on being up there anyway. I'm rambling care. Yeah so she talks about a drug problem. She says she loved acid until she tried coke and then she spent all her money on cook. She's just want this all the time. I love this exists though after she had Three years after the number one hit album. This is the gogos must of drugs close and of all things a racehorse which i can get behind binary source. You got all that money. And you like what i need to do. Something frivolous rot. What do you do and you know they say here not to glamorize it and i mean and then they go into a pair off the cameras it at a party for the band in new york lonzo manila and andy warhol tuned up rudd stood threw a party for them in rio caller spin. Much the not drive around the city looking for cheap cocaine and as rock. Legend has it. They partied so hard. That even notorious hellraiser ozzy osbourne wants threw out of his grace. And that is the claim to fame. Wow that's that is phenomenal stuff She also talks about her new album and are surprised to learn that she is living in I've just lost now. She's living in some very exotic bangkok bangkok of all places. A very nice interview. Give that read the charts of unseat something about us having conversation with belinda carlisle Hope he wasn't just being teasing little skimp because that would make me very excited speeder. Little black book does and what it did. Give us is This week we spoke to karen. Watts of Secret superwoman. she's being inside africa. Few towns with brian mcknight's hugely popular arts. Lovely lady she was. She was so great and calm. I mean she looks better now than she didn't and she looked damn good in the east so glamorous so cameras so glamorous and so is actually a really cool interview. Like i'll i was like well. I like like the songs and iron. But then. But i wouldn't call myself a big fan. But i'm a big fan. Because she was just such an amazing person. You'll your interview. We're play it out next week on. That eddie. Show sewed look for details about that on our facebook. Page that eighty show essay fund fund things happening on our facebook page into the dragon. Ooh what would it's been going around in a few groups but it is a how the music changes everything in. It is a scene from into the dragon with bruce lee and chuck norris and they're about to face off in a fight but instead of the original music they replaced it with a version of careless whisper and it is hilarious as the two of them are now taking the shirts off flexing flicking their hair. Just really i mean like music is really important in movies. Perfect i can. You had no idea. Just watch that you like and the finest australia to my husband who is a huge concrete movie man. He party washed into the dragon. One hundred times he loved his hills and will never look into the dragon again. Not the most. The most surprising thing about that scene is the men's chase it. I mean my god notoriously chuck. Norris is a very hairy man and that goes full. That's shoulders back. that's sides. that is full. Lots of red hair look chist. Wig looks so unreal a sock. He's wearing a furry jersey. That's it like chuck. Can you please take off your jersey precisely at seriously going to hamper Obviously i enjoyed what you posted as well Funny comic of Roy orbison roy salinas roy you roy orbison was new driver anywhere. You want Phantoms check it out all on. That show is on facebook. Karen white interview next week details on the facebook page any lessons from today. Show dory any lessons today show. Well i'm gonna have to revert back to chuck norris his chest here got flaunted even better before you eat it. You must beat it. Oh show as we should ended their by dari

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