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Sebastian Asks the Question, 'Who Is Eric Metaxas?'
"Those who Hiding in a cave for the last twenty years would you explain. Who is eric metaxas. You take a crack at that. I would like this. I would like you to take a shot. i'll puncture it eventually. But who do you l. From what is your family background. And i don't know how to describe you so i need some help. Who is eric metaxas. Well the part of the reason people don't know how to describe me has to do with the fact that i'm dramatically eclectic You could say scattered the way. I would put it. Sebastian is that i have written many many books. So some people think of me principally as an author. Some people think of me as the author of bonn hoffer other people think of me as a guy who cracks jokes. Many people more recently have seen me on salem on the salem radio network on the tv. So the way. I would put it. I an author new multiple new york times bestselling author And a radio and tv personality. I've just summed it up
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Now if you know me you know. I'm not just saying this. This is important for the nation. And if it's important for this nation it's important for the world hard to believe we're living in such historic times. Unfortunately we are unfortunately. I wish we weren't but we are. And so i say to you folks. if you've got the guts get those signs fixed. Twenty twenty i who disagrees with that if you disagree with transparency in american election. I don't know who you are. I don't know how you consider yourself in america. And i don't know how you think you should vote if you don't understand how vital something like that is so i want to say to people. Put that sign in your front yard about if more and more people do this folks you'll be part of something you want to be part of something or do you wanna be a sort of a little guilty for the rest of your life that you didn't stand up. I talked about this. All the time in bonn hoffer day. Good people great people kept their mouth shut and they regretted it for the rest of their lives And i i just wanna say how important this is mike. We've just got a less than a minute. When you bring this case to the supreme court before thanksgiving what specifically in this case do you think will make them look at the evidence whereas in the past they would say now. We're gonna take a pass. What do you think specific words here. There's there's there's not just that we have one hundred percent of all the of all the cyber evidence but also we have some of the smartest people in our country a mathematicians physicists. People that have like say the highest. Iq's i've ever seen all from different parts of of our country but the main the main one is dr douglas spring. He's got the shows from our twenty ten census report. That's where they use the base for this algorithm. And anybody can do it it. Does you could pick any county pick any county in your state and then pick an age eric picker county. We have what no yep. We're we're at a time. Mike my friend but you picked you picked that county and age everybody and the same percentage of that age group voted in the whole state. I know i have heard this. Forgive me that we're out of time mike. We love you folks. Go to mypillow my store. Frank.
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on The Glenn Beck Program
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How Is God Encouraging You to Stay Strong and Courageous?
"Encouraging you to stay strong and courageous these days. Do tell yeah. I know i think when i go places tons of people come up to me and thank me for my voice or whatever and i'm always amazed that they even perceive me perceive me as having a voice that's courageous or something because i think don't we have an obligation to speak up. I mean i don't know. Maybe it's because i studied the lives of bonn hoffer and all these other great people and in the seven men book and seven women book. These are all people that they inspire you. You want to be that way. And i think that if you behave that way you inspire others to behave that way so i really do feel like we're in a war for the truth and so you've gotta speak the truth particularly when it's uncomfortable particularly when it's uncomfortable and i think that the more you do it the more others around you will do it so but i'm thrilled that people perceive it that
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Talking to me and that's a beautiful thing. We call it a conversation. I love you irwin sir. We will not be silenced. Is your book Tell us more eric. People need to realize that. I wrote the book. We will not be silenced not to reclaim the culture. It may be too late for that but to reclaim the church. Because i began to see that the church has been shamed into silence. People don't know exactly what they should say. And therefore you know even this business of we don't know which pronoun to us you know and what is my preferred pronoun. Somebody went up to a mcdonalds and they said well. What is your preferred pronoun. All that is to create so much confusion. We are so intimidated for saying the wrong thing. Yeah that we become silence. So what i argue. Is that the church of jesus. Christ is going to have to relearn lessons that the church has had to learn in the past. And you know something about that. Having written you're famous book on bond hoffer and we are going to have to stand for truth and take the heat if might say this. The american constitution is a remarkable document. I happen to have been born in canada. I don't know if you remember that or nine on this program. If i knew that. I can't believe it a canadian. What an outrage good between you know what i'm gonna i'm gonna show you save all over the world but not judgy listrik go. I am american citizen today and the constitution is a remarkable document. But i want to say this that. The church of jesus christ was not even built on the american constitution. The church was built on jesus. And we're going to have to relearn the lessons that christians have had to learn throughout the centuries and we're not used to that we think to ourselves if we were the christians that we should be everything would sail along and we'd be all very happy and continue to have our freedoms but eric the tiniest coming when the church is going to have to make up its mind. You're going to have the wo- kness on one side. The social justice. When somebody says i think social justice is a gospel issue. I have no idea what they mean. I hope they don't either well. I hope that they don't mean that. You have to believe in social justice to be saved. Because i shout this from the housetops. I'm sorry if i'm getting too enthusiastic on your show. No you're getting just enthusiastic enough okay. I shot this from the house tops. The gospel of jesus christ is not what we do can do for jesus. The gospel is what jesus has done for us. And what we need to do is to keep that clear and make sure that we don't confuse the issues and if somebody says well. Social justice is the fruit of the gospel. That's where we have the discussion eric. The difference between biblical justice and so called social justice. Don't you think a lot of this is a simple issue of moral cowardice in other words if we are teaching our kids about the price that has been paid for people to share the faith of jesus that people have throughout history had to pay with their blood not just a to share the gospel of jesus but to preserve freedom. It seems to me that we have ceased doing that in ladder decades. And we've made. It seem like this is all free and it's easy to get. There is a huge price to be paid and when you hear the stories of the prices that were paid. I mean my offer book is one example that people there inspired there moved and they say i wanna be like that most people i think want to be like that when they see it there but but often they're just not exposed to it they don't see it so they they keep their mouths shut. They go with the flow are eric. I'll give you an example from germany. Since you wrote the bond hoffer book rebecca and i are in east germany which was under communism for seventy years. We're talking to a pastor. The pastor said under communism. The communists said to the christians. If you continue to go to church. You won't have a job and your children will not have an education so ninety percent of the christians co pitch elated and they said well you know we need to live at cetera. Et cetera about ten percent didn't and the ten percent live for christ through great difficulty. Their children were not well educated. But here's the point that christians need to think about if you look at this from the standpoint of eternity who made the better decision. Well the answer is of course. The ones who made the best decision are ones who lived for christ and took the consequences and as a result of that. We honor them today. And to your point when you have somebody like bond hoffer or some of the other pastors stand for christ there are others that do chime in there were seven hundred pastors and priests who went to concentration camps what the world is looking for is heroes who are able to stand who are able to expose critical race theory in schools and so forth and what they discover pretty soon is that other people are standing with them because they are beginning to say what. It's what we must do is to stand together against these theories. I remember when i was an undergraduate in college. I was afraid to be on the wrong side of the wo- crowd. I mean that was in the eighties but it's interesting how we are all cowards. But god says i can do things in you. I can change you. And by the grace of god. He helped me somewhere along the line. You were changed at some point at some point for me. I was dramatically born again around age. Twenty five and it was. It was a period of time. It took decades after that relief for me to see some of these things i i've i've changed dramatically in bonn hoffer writing. The bond for book was The biggest thing that changed me but really what we've seen really since the election of donald trump. What's happening in this country. It's so horrified that i just feel an obligation to speak out..
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on The Steve Deace Show
"If you critically think you are immediately labeled my opinion that this is the current plague and it's led to all the other maladies we have in. The church has played into this because it it really doesn't want in many cases as a body to owen strain is a great follow on twitter. He's big on this okay. It doesn't really want a disciple. Men in masculine way because then men are like what. What are we gonna do with all this knowledge. Then why am i coming here. Every sunday. i got bills to pay jobs mouths to feed. I mean i don't need to just sit here and feel like going to check a box. You're gonna convince me this stuff is true. Then what are we going to do with it and and men will ask questions that are like hey listen to this in but hey i got a question about this. Maybe that's the pastor. Is i want to be questioned about. You know what i'm saying and so it's more of an inculcation environment. Just come sit and be and sit down be lecture to go home okay and all the plague is the is. We've removed critical thinking because critical. Thinking is what spurs independence inculcation is. What creates conformity. That's the difference A great way of looking at the gospel There's a movie on you. Watch on netflix. Called interview with god and the questioner asked him. Is there any other way to heaven. Other than through christ and god says the after playing got no there are infinite number of journeys but there's only one path meaning we're individuals on her own individual journey. Okay but there's only one path that gets you where you want to go okay. And that's a great example of the diversity of critical thinking that the biblical view promotes. We have gotten rid of critical thinking. Because that's easier for you all to be programmed and if you try to critically think then you're immediately labeled science denier racist sexist misogynist homophobic bigot. Right all right all in all these are. These are all attempts to stop critical thinking from happening in america. And it's why we have a education environment we have as well because if you don't critically think you are controlled truth straight. No jaser steve. Days place radio network. Silver the wool merino this steam by back with the final portion of special edition of the steve day show. It's the show that we have promised and threatened do for years and today's finally the day we're doing the thing the ten bucks. Every american should be required to read before acquiring of voter registration card to recap because we're down to the final two. And you know these are. This wasn't intended to be like a grand finale back kind of feel like with the final two books. Are i kinda feel like it's going right. So the five thousand year leap by cleon scouse and was the first book discussed. That was my pick. Todd's i picked the righteous mind by jonathan hate. Then we went to errands recommendation. The screw tape letters by cs lewis back to me for the marketing of evil by walnut. Dailies david cappelli ian then to todd for onto wings by the late michael. Novak the cost of discipleship by dietrich bond. Hoffer errands next suggestion. I then went to. How now shall we live by the late. Great chuck colson. And then. We just discussed an education for our time by joe. Ziya bunting that Was todd's book. We were just talking about before the break. And now we are down in these final fifteen minutes and change to the final two. Aaron the final book that you would like to recommend to our audience is what bond offer by eric metaxas and i think it's i think most people in our audience of probably have probably read this or at least are familiar with it but you wanna look like a look take look real world. Look a more modern than maybe the us resolute revolution. I should say a more modern look. At what the cost of actually living your stated beliefs to their or taking them to their their logical conclusion or at least your motivations to their logical conclusion. If that's where you feel led than this. This is the book for you. On hoffer by eric metaxas. And if you're familiar with the delorean on netflix. The catch phrase. This is the way you know. If this is ever re released a reprinted. Maybe that that should be the title of this of the book. This is the way because bonn hoffer was just not born into while. Yeah definitely. I'm i'm definitely a radical. Who's going to attempt to assassinate fewer her some day. No this guy. And this is written about in the biography he was. He was in many ways a seeker he was trying to figure out the way to go and eventually his look in his studies and his travels in his thinking and in his walk with walking along the christian road eventually led him to the place where i can't i can't sit here. I cannot sit here and let this dude. Just let this dude do what he's attempting to do to this country to this continent to the world. Something has to be done. And this is the way that i'm going to go about it if you want to know what all of your stated beliefs if you're listening to this show it might if you this was this was just bond hoffer. This was his motivation. This is what he was compelled to do. If you want to take a look at what the cost of what in he. He failed to do it but he did it. He attempted to do it. At least he did a lot. More than emailing writing letters at the end of the day because there wasn't emailed back there and just side trivia note. But this is this is what the cost of carrying out what many of us say we believe may look like on some day. Given the circumstances that we find ourselves in given what we feel compelled to do in our spirit. This may be very well in some form. What we are forced to do or feel called to do or compelled to do on any given day whether it's whether it's the holy spirit whether it's Just this this is the cause and this is. This is our back against the wall. This is us in a corner. This may very well be the portrait of of where we are at someday where we may be very close to right now. This is one of the best selling christian books of the last decade I if eric was here he'd probably say what. I've said many times about an affair affairs plot. He'll never write anything better the rest of his career. This is considered a a seminal work young biography. One of the things you learn in his story is he originally was kind of what we would call a liberal. Mainline are correct and i think he actually did tours in the. Us in the thirties about racial injustice and things of that nature. He was considered. The term wasn't applied to religion back. Then it was still kind of in its nascent stages and and it was. It had a a wide swath of people who call themselves progressives back. Then woodrow. Wilson is considered the first progressive president. Teddy roosevelt called himself a progressive. Okay so it was. it was. It didn't have quite the The staying that the word has an hour time but in his day in h he would have been considered more of a progressive christian. Kind of a now. He believed in orthodoxy but but politically culturally he would have been fairly liberal And and so. How did he end up with with one application of his faith from from one end of the spectrum. It was remind me was he. Involved in falconry was that the plot that he was involved in was that okay. So how did he end up. Hey we can use public institutions to.
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"At most people know you if know you from war room and so many people Listen and watch it but they would know you obviously from the trump administration in my mind. You were one of a handful of people tiny handful there really seemed to understand the cultural import of what trump represented talk about that just for a moment because that's the bigger issue and that's why what happened. In the united states it was a global phenomenon. Not many people were talking about the global phenomenon. That happened you were were one of the few. Yeah look. i've been working on this since the since the financial crisis of two thousand eight. When i kind of you became a filmmaker got gotta walk away from the banking and finance business off but the way i think the most the best way to think about it is kind of from your writings particularly your book on bond popular. Just one of my favorite books in your current books divine. Providence is active in our lives and our world affairs in you. Meet these providential characters and donald trump was fathered entry. I mean he kind of galvanized in a person in a leader. Many of the undercurrents that have been going on this country particularly this populism this economic nationals understanding that this globalisation was more than just economic. There was something deeply against the christian western Against all spiritual endeavors right and. I think we're saying that. I think you're seeing now in this kind of the ball. Face marxism materialism anti spiritualism of this global elite. Right in in retaliation of how they wanted force are there. Raina terror You're seeing so. I think that very early on i was fortunate enough. You'll my education were at work. The see trends then to be andrew breitbart arguer than andrew passed away. I kinda ran the site. The years was really a big supporter of trump's early on back at thirteen and fourteen. Because i saw him. As a oculus leader there was going to go against traditional controlled opposition republicanism and now in the fight for our lives in the fight for their. It's everything we've been talking about. What a four turney is in a fight for the country but the important things trump is. He is a providential figure he was. I think we only want through the intercession of divine providence. In sixteen
Eric Metaxas' Book on Dietrich Bonhoeffer Is a Warning for Modern American Christians
"No matter where i go. People wanna talk to me about the bond hoffer book because they keep saying. This is what is happening today. This book is creepy to read. Because it's happening today. And i thought at some point i should mention that on this program because when i was writing the book i was writing in two thousand and eight. No kidding i thought they're curious things about what happened in germany in the twenties and then ultimately in the thirties that they struck me as oddly familiar. But i thought we're not there yet but sure enough as the decade has passed many things that you see happening in the story of bonn hoffer obviously just history just my book version of what happened back. Then but what i what i say and this is kind of my point is that i believe god called me to write that book to tell that story for us today in other words at the time. I didn't realize this. I was just writing a book to show. This was a heroic christian living in a time when it became increasingly difficult to speak freely increasingly difficult to be any kind of a christian To speak the truth. And i know that the people back then did not listen to the warnings of bonn hoffer. So he's like an old testament prophet and people. They weren't ready for it. They kept saying nine out of your too much of a hothead. Now we can. We need to listen to the government. We need to trust the government and the liberals and the conservatives. Both did the same thing. They did it for different reasons but they refused church. I'm talking about refused to stand up to the government. They had different reasons why some people said oh. We wanna preach the gospel. We don't wanna get political. Well you know what when people are going to their deaths in boxcars. It might be time to speak out against that now. That's seems political. who cares. you're speaking up for what is right. So the parallels that i see today we're not there yet but i honestly believe that if we don't heed the warning of what happened in bonn hoffer time so if you have a copy of the book now might be a good time to reread it. If you don't understand that what happened then is happening now and it will go in the same direction. Every won't be the same thing we might not have you know death camps but the point is who cares how it goes. We just know that when freedom gets canceled. It's only because people who have freedom didn't fight while they had the
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"You. Know what alvin i said. We should do. Another segment right now. Did did ask metaxas okay. We should now do a mister postman. What's that song mr l. Let's just call it. Let's just call it a listener rights. Okay ladies and gentlemen now. A segment of a listener writes a listener. No one album. I just got a letter from a listener to give his name. No well it. Rhymes with jack conley. I'm not gonna. I'm not going to. I wouldn't say it. Okay it's just the initials j. c. kojak and we use which is not even error but it says this is incredible. Sometimes it's very funny. The next letter is very funny. This letter is really serious and it really moved me to tears. It says dear eric. I just completed your biography of bonn hoffer thank you for such provocative inspiring challenging read. I'm a catholic priest and so deeply appreciative of your work. I assure you writing and preaching will be different now. You have opened my eyes. Thanks john. I'm not going to say the last name but it's a see i. I wanna tell you folks when i get something like this. You know you write books. I prayed so hard. When i was writing the bond hoffer book that god would use the book for his purposes but eleven years later to get a letter like this that this is a priest saying that his writing in his preaching will be different as a result of reading this book. Now i know it's not. My book is the life of bond hoffer but the idea that i had the privilege of writing the book. So if you're looking for good book let me recommend my bag. Fubon hoffer not. Because i wrote it but because it's it's kind of the best summation book if you're going to read a book you want his whole life and just to be clear you don't have to be a priest or minister to read it. It helps but okay. Here's here's a letter now. This letter is serious. But i found it so funny i said i gotta read this on the air. I'm not going to mention the guy's name. But let's just say it's joe l. This is a real letter. The title in the email was. Your selection of only men is short-sighted and then it's it says the eric after enjoying your seven men book graduates edition i add misgivings about approving recommending or gifting. It and wondered why your picks lacked diversity as the number of women is zero. It's unlikely seven men will inspire female graduates. Your selection of only men is short sighted. Man that hurts. yeah so. I had to respond to joe l. and i wrote this. I'm not joking. That's the letter i got. And this is my response. Dear sir perhaps you will find my seven women book more diverse. Here's a link for you to purchase that book. But i must warn you upfront. That seven women does not include any men. I'm not sure what can be done at this point. But i thought you should know. Thanks for your email sincerely. Eric metaxas author. That's a real. That's a real letter. Somebody was upset that my book seven men graduates edition didn't include women and i don't really know how to respond to that because it hurts it stings because seven men. It's a fact folks. i'm not going to deny it. You know when you're when you're when you're wrong you're wrong. Seven men has no women in it. I'm guilty. You are and seven women to to double down on my non diversity. Seven women has no men in it. Oh what are you gonna do. The books are printed their published out people buying and reading them and being blessed by them. I'm sorry but you know big man to admit all this. I must thank you. You're welcome thank you my next book coming out. Seven drag icons joan collins. We got share. It's unbelievable all right. Let me be clear. Neutral dot com thirty percent off. If you use the code eric. That's this week. Only the extended it this week. Not joking jump on it neutral. Medics dot com thirty percent. Use the code eric..
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Strong. You know what alvin i decided we should do. Another fund segment right. Now we did ask metaxas okay. We should do a mister postman What's that song mr alleged. Just call it. Let's just call it a listener rights. Okay ladies and gentlemen now a segment of a listener rights. What alvin. I just got a letter from a listener. Give his name no well. Iran's with jack conley. I'm not gonna i'm not gonna say it okay It's i'll just have the initials j. c. kojak. Can we use which is not even true but it says this is incredible. You know get stuff in sometimes. It's very funny. The next letter is very funny. This letter is really serious and it really moved me to tears. It says dear. Eric just completed your biography of bonn. Hoffer thank you for such a provocative inspiring challenging read. I'm a catholic priest and so deeply appreciative of your work. I assure you writing and preaching will be different now. You have opened my eyes. Thanks john. I'm not gonna say the last name but it's a see. I wanna tell you folks when i get something like this. You know you write books. I prayed so hard. When i was writing the bond hoffer book that god would use the book for his purposes but eleven years later to get a letter like this that this is a priest saying that his writing in his preaching will be different as a result of reading this book. Now i know it's not my book is the life of bonn hoffer but the idea that i had the privilege of writing the book so if you're looking for good book let me recommend my bag of baja hoffer. Not because i wrote it but because it's It's kind of the best summation book. If you're gonna read a book you want his whole life and just to be clear you don't have to be a priest or minister to read it. It helps but okay. Here's here's a letter now. This letter is serious. But i found it so funny i said i gotta read this on the air. I'm not gonna mention the guy's name but let's just say it's joe l. This is a real letter. The title in the email was. Your selection of only men is short-sighted. And then it's eric. After enjoying your seven men book graduates edition. I had misgivings about approving recommending or gifting it and wondered why your picks lacked diversity as the number of women is zero. It's unlikely seven men will inspire female graduates. Your selection of only men is short sighted. Man that hurts. yeah so. I had to respond to Joe l. and i wrote this. I'm not joking. That's the letter i got. And this is my response. Dear sir perhaps you will find my seven women book more diverse. Here's a link for you to purchase that book. But i must warn you up front that seven women does not include any men. I'm not sure what can be done at this point. But i thought you should know. Thanks for your email sincerely. Eric metaxas author. That's a real. That's a real letter. Somebody was upset that my book seven men graduates edition didn't include women and i don't really know how to respond to that because it hurts it stings because seven men. It's a fact folks. I'm not going deny you know when you're when you're when you're wrong you're wrong. Seven men has no women in it. I'm guilty. You are and seven women to to double down on my non diversity. Seven women has no men in it. Oh what are you gonna do. Books are their published. How people buying in reading them and being blessed by them. I'm sorry but you know big man to admit all this. I must thank you. You're welcome thank you my next book coming out..
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on The Eric Metaxas Show
"Talking to owen straughn. yes it's pronounced straughn. It's not spelled like that. But you know who's keeping score owen stran- your book is christianity and woke kness. How the social justice movement is hijacking. The gospel and the way to stop it. So i just ended this previous segments saying that people need to understand. There's two worldviews. One is an atheistic or anti theistic marxist view and the other one is a biblical view. So what do you say to some young hip pastor. He's got his tattoos. He's got the the soul patch and he shaved his head because his hair was starting to go. And he's got funky glasses and he's just trying to reach out to the young people in their into this junk. What do you say to that guy. Yeah i want to say that fundamentally we're not trying to make christianity cool we're not trying to make it culturally acceptable We're not trying to be accepted by the world. That's a huge part of what i say in this book christianity and woke nece. I say that there's an antithesis. There's an old fashioned word for you. You don't hear that every day. No you don't. But i like to keep it that way. Please go ahead go like my work. I like it. Go ahead all right. Well there's a better than head jim on. yeah. I don't like that where now neither okay. Well we're agreed on that. There's an antithesis between christianity and the world. We're not the same. Jesus when he comes is not the same as the world. Jesus and the devil are not the same so we start from that foundation. We recognize that as christians. We're not trying to do this. Makeover of christianity where we put make up on it and make it palatable to the outside world. that's that's been a common way to try to attract people into the church. The secret sensitive movement is promoted that kind of thinking that's not sound biblical christianity. If only jesus had been at willow creek he might have had who knows maybe sixteen eighteen disciple instead of just twelve. You know could happen man. Yeah he needed to be more secret friendly. He was always doing this divisive stuff. You gotta eat my flesh and where it's like. Come on man you gotta reach the young people that turns them off the cannibalistic stuff. Yeah as our friend. Voting barca's said this whole movement dovetails with the idea that christianity is about niceness. It's about acceptance. It's about cultural palatability. Look we're not going out of our way to be an idiot as a christian. We're trying to bear the fruits of the spirit relations. Five twenty two twenty three but we recognize that as christians. Jesus has already told us that it. It is blessed for us to be persecuted and hated for righteousness sake and matthew five. So what i want to say say to that. Pastor is bro preach the gospel boldly preached the whole council of god preached the despise doctrines of god's word the ones that people love inherently and the ones that they don't love the justice of god is as important as the love of god is. But you don't often hear that. Well you know i was going to say there's a again as an irony here. The truth is attractive. Another we always say like well. The truth will drive people away whereas much as my drive. Some people away way it will attract other people when you say. Because i'm a christian. I i will not buy products from a company that is doing business with communist china and that is turning a blind eye toward the torture and murder and suffering of wieger muslims. So i'm not a muslim and i'm not planning to be a muslim but they are human beings made in the image of god and as a christian i'm commanded by the god who died for me to care about those weaker muslims and therefore for me. This is an issue. It's an it's an issue of human rights of conscience. I would say if we try to sell that idea. A lot of young people can say. I had not heard that so there are people suffering around the world and because of a christian. You care about your christian. You care about them. Even though they're not christians. And you're saying that we should do something about that. I think a lot of people would say wow i. i didn't. I didn't realize that. That's where christianity leads. You just thought it was. You know kind of dull and theological. I couldn't agree more. I think people are starved for conviction. I think we've all been conviction free diet. These diets hear about many. Many pulpits have been and actually sometimes pastors. Who do draw crowd think that they're drawing the crowd because you don't know they're attractive or they're really funny or they have this great personality or these other things in a good number of cases. Those pastors are drawing a crowd. So to speak crass language people are flocking to their ministry. because they're they're standing on truth and they're proclaiming things clearly and then those pastors who are worldly often end up stopping that but what we need to understand in our day is that people are starved for conviction and so we've just gone through this this weird year last year. I don't know if you've heard about the pandemic slash locked ring any bells but go ahead. It's weird but we just went through this whole thing where a good number of pastors in america canada and beyond did not even dare to open their church if the government or their local government was opposing them. Yeah and what is happening with pastors who did obey christ in gathering together to worship him even where the government said not to. You know being careful. In certain ways of course but what happened is those ministries actually in many cases skyrocketed. Because it's not just that the doors were opened. People were starved for the word of god. People are starved for truth. We're in this weird postmodern power game all of us now and so when you see a preacher up there who says you know what i'm gonna put my life and my ministry on the line and i'm going to open this church and preach the word of god that has a powerful effect well or and it's not just that the staffer truth although obviously that's a big piece of it but they're starved for courage. There starved for people who live as though this stuff is truth. Because if you say it's truth but you don't live like it's truth. People get the secret message. You don't really believe it's truth. Come on and i mean i learned that really from bonn hoffer. Is that you know. You can't say. I believe this or this of this this you have to live it. The devil is not fooled by the statement of faith and your churches website. If you don't live it out then your neighbors your.
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on AM 970 The Answer
"On this. Hey there, folks, it's air taxes show. We're talking about a novel in new novel. Historical fiction really close to my heart. The title is my dearest, Dietrich, the Dietrich and the title is, of course, Dietrich born Hoffer, the author of this book, Amanda Barrett is with us. Amanda, you're in e c p a bestselling author it seems to me, you're too young to have done everything you did. But you did it and you don't seem like you're making it up. So you this is your newest latest of book and I just want to ask you, when you write historical fiction because I've never done it. The more information you have in some ways, the easier it is. And the more difficult that is because you can't, you're not so free to make stuff up. You're not writing about like twelfth century none. So where did you feel did you ever feel any pinch points where you wanted to write something, but you didn't know what to say or how, how does I've never dealt with that as a writer? So how did you deal with it? Research is incredibly helpful in the research did for this book. I mean, it took me over three years to right at it. And then, you know this book, went through my publishers editors and the whole time I was researching because I was constantly finding these new facts that I wanted to just discover. I mean I read extensively all of offers letters that he wrote Abraham bet, 'cause I read a lot of Bonn Hoffer biographies, yours was, of course, my favorite album. Did you pay this young woman? That's really that's too nice. But it is true. There are so many, there's so much. And there is so much information isn't there. One of the other things that I actually found that I did was I found a book about Dietrich and Maria was about ninety pages it was written in German. And I know like a little bit of German. Not much. So friend of mine actually read the entire book to me over this nine hours, Skype call my friend who had lived in Austria, some great friends. She was wonderful to do that, for me and through that, I got the information for the final scene for my dearest tricks. There was some really great nuggets in that who wrote that book. Veneta Vind, Rinat vend. She wrote. Biography of one hawks spoke in the wheel. Is that what it was that? But so this is a different book. You're talking about Justin chairman really know it's interesting because a spoke in the wheel, if you hadn't brought that up, I wouldn't say this, but every time I read that phrase spoke in the wheel, it drives me insane because it's wrong. Another words like, when you think of a wheel, right, and it has all these spokes. So to put a stick in the wheel to stop the progress of the wheel. It's like putting a stick in the spokes. I'm not putting a spoke in the wheel every time it's like the title of books and I tried to correct that in my book, but I thought I have to mention that because it just one of those funny little things that somebody says, and then it kind of gets carried on through the decades. Yes. Well, it's, it's there's so many little things like that. I never have the privilege of speaking of somebody who's done so much research on. It's fun one thing that we were mentioning the, the Marsh biography the other truly bizarre thing in his book, is that he says, exactly the opposite of what we both know is true. Is that the one person in favor of the union between Dietrich and Maria was the grandmother? And in the book for some reason, he says the one person who was against it was the grandmother, which maybe he just ignored that whole part of the life, but it's to me, it's sort of charming and funny that his grandmother is pushing for this relationship more than anyone. Yes. I think she admired Dietrich. And I think she knew Maria personality very well. And she knew that they would just be a good match for each other. Intellectually just a really good couple. And so I think that's why she did. And I think it was really the desire of her heart to see this happen. But it wasn't just her. It was also Dietrich and Maria discovering each. Other and coming together, you also have a scene in the book, the one of the ways, like we're talking about this, this date at Hitler's brothers restaurant. That's in Berlin. And of course, Dietrich happened to be in Berlin and Maria happen to be in Berlin. Because Maria was taking care of grandmother. And the grandmother is sort of pushing Dietrich to think about this relationship before he could take it seriously in his own mind. Yes, she did push. I feel that there was something because he wrote that letter to Abraham after their meeting June. And he said, you know, I have not written to miss von Vadim Meyer. And I don't really wouldn't do not yet in this realm of unfulfilled fantasy, which is pretty well populated in any case isn't that interesting because if you feel that he was same sex attracted, which, I certainly don't. But all you need to do is read that. In that passage convinces you that this is a human being who has longings for female companionship, and for, for romance with a woman, and then suddenly, he meets this woman, and he's thinking, I think a lot of men go through this way, you, you're very attracted, but in your brain, you say, yes, but this couldn't work, and so he's trying to figure this out, and then the grandmother kind of comes in is trying to push him. Yes. But yes, I mean he did he did deal with those long as I think the deeper, they got to know, each other even though it was through letters, even though it was just through those visits, and they really did grow in his feelings for her grew. And I think that what Maria said is sometimes when they were alone, she was like he was almost more surprised by the depth of his feelings that came out of him, then she was, I guess, both of us are Christians, and we have to wonder sometimes about what God allows and it does seem, so particularly heartbreaking that he would allow this beautiful romance. To bloom, the way does. And then to have it shattered by his death. Did offer hope to Dietrich Bali was in prison. I mean, they loved talking about the home that they were going to live in, you know, we're going to beg the sofa from gross mutter, who is going to blue blues, all picked out. And she'd already she sketching pictures of their future home, and they would she was making her wedding dress. And so was it? But in a lot of joy believe as well as some longing and sorrow, but that's very interesting. You're quite right that it gave him hope through, what would otherwise have been that much more difficult Christmas. Tree in detail. Go, she'd hallback Christmas free, right? And they were the guards were shocked even believe this. Well, we think of Christmas using of giant Christmas tree. But in Germany, I know that it might might have been three foot tree or something, but she brought it into the prison into the cell. Right. Couldn't fit it in the south. And so they had to move it to the guard break room to the guard break room. But he's been a lot of time in the guard. We're going to go to another break folks talking to a MandA Barrett. I think you already know you wanna copy of my dearest, Dietrich, a novel of Dietrich bond Hoffer, lost love, stick around. Twenty four. Much. Dies. I'm pretty handy around the house. But now that I have kids, I don't wanna spend my Saturday, installing toilet or fixing an air conditioner. But thankfully, there's homeadvisor. Homeadvisor helps me find the best home pros in my area to handle any kind of project. 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"You know, how it's our to. Why I have no idea put it just it just is we're talking to John's mirror were carrying him over from our one. He's so good. He's usually not that good. But today today said some stuff I said, let's carry them over John's miracle you still there. I had more coffee today. Whatever we don't care what you need to do as long as you're there at the microphone. This is exciting. Listen, we're talking about a lot of stuff. You've got great articles at the stream great books. We're talking about the contra Thome that mayor Pete. But a gig of south bend, Indiana. This sounds like a joke. Right. Thirty seven year old mayor of south bend, Indiana is running for president and opining on a world stage about sexuality as though the Piscopo church, which has always been I mean, you wanna know who's got their finger in the wind. We're looking at the Piscopo church, and and he somehow has asserted this idea that if I guess he's looking for a fight to to to. We can't just dismiss this as you know, some some little small town democrat hope Francis himself has said crazy things that sound like. Peter, but geic when a victim of sex abuse, who's molested by a priest whose whose crime for covered up by a Bishop who Mboup Francis protected when to try to do public public relations and try to clean up that mess. The pope invited the victim to Rome and did an audience with him and leaked the following to the press. He told that young man who was molested by a priest of the teenager that God made the young man gay. That's interesting. I would think. In formative years might have been the reason he turned me. Okay. I have not heard this that is mind blowing. What in the world wondered if Jack chick the Catholic tract maker? All this little pamphlets and walk out. Yeah. Jack chick has hijacked the Catholic church from the on the grave. Well, it's disturbing when when Jack chick has the moral upper-hand. I gotta tell you. Sorry, Mohammad you're going to hell forever. You know, like, the basically we don't need to get off on Jack chick. But you're telling me that the pope said to young, man. Molested by a priest and turned out game. Probably as a result of that that God had made him gay. I'm really confused because when somebody says God made someone gay I think the biblical teaching would be that would be like saying God made me want to commit adultery or something. Like that. Like, you say, wait a second. That's really confusing because we are all broken, and we all have sinful desires, but if you choose to act on those sinful desires, and then sanctified them by saying God gave me the desire to punch that guy in the face. God gave me the desire to to insult somebody publicly nasty way. You're you're confusing. Things the logical because God is the one who gives you the strength to work against those desires. But here that the pope said that I mean, honestly, John I've not heard that and send you I'll send you the link. To it. They're not denying it. This was the Vatican. The one that released this thing the statement, look, I wanna be clear. Okay. The reason we have so much confusion on this issue is because all kinds of people Christians and non Christians have been very unkind to people who struggle with same sex attraction. It is. It's got to be a gigantic burden in any culture to deal with this. And I can understand the desire of folks. Like that to want to have somebody say, hey, it's okay. Don't worry about it. Go with it, whatever. But I think if you have a biblical view, you can't say that. But you have to have compassion. I have gay friends. I disagree with them on some of these issues. I have other friends that are same sex attracted who very clearly know that they that God doesn't want them to act on it just like if you know, Alvin my you're married. Okay. If our wives. The not yet. But you're looking today man the way. But seriously, I mean, I guess I think you've got to think about this the practically right there people who are married, okay. To woman man, married to a woman. Let's say the woman is in a terrible accident or something happens in life, or whatever they can no longer have physical relations that that's just no longer possible for them. What for whatever reason God says? Your life is not about physical relations. You have made a commitment to this person. But there are a lot of people in this world would say, you know, what I gotta get mine I have needs, and I met this wonderful woman, and she goes to church, and and I really think that I should divorce my wife and to be with this other woman, and she's a Christian, by the way, you know, now, it would be so easy to say. Yeah, you don't really feel for that guy. It's got to be hard to be all those years without that kind of love in your man, that's so hard and so difficult, and yet I think if you really love that person you'd say to them, listen, we all struggle and some of us struggle in more ways than one and you have to do what God wants to do why. Because God loves you. He loves you. He doesn't just want you to have fun. He loves you in a deeper way. And sometimes you have to sacrifice things if we can't do that. In our heterosexual lives, and the culture has gone to hell heterosexually. It is no wonder that we're giving this message to people that same sex attractions. I just wanna be clear on that. This is not something that came out of nowhere. Right, right. We're not. We shouldn't be singling them out. The reason I'm talking about it is this is going to become an issue of law. If Christianity can be redefined so that mainstream Christianity is tolerant and up same sex marriage. Then every other form of Christianity at is the ones that are orthodox will be seen as extremists. They will be isolated. They will lose their first amendment protection under law. If you think I sound like an alarmist look at what the government was doing to Jack Phillips because he didn't wanna big gay marriage cakes. They tried to destroy his life that was a test balloon to see if they could get away with persecuting the. Churches a hole, and they they almost got away with it. Well, that's why always point people to born Hoffer because he was one of these lonely voices. If Christians in Germany had stood up with one tenth of the courage of Bonn Hoffer. The holocaust would have never happened. Think about that. They were worried about their jobs. They were worried about losing something and they kept their mouth shut. If you are in America, and you're keeping your mouth shut on this. If you're not talking about this in your churches, if you're not taking your youth group to see unplanned and teaching them about the unborn about a biblical. If you're not doing that, you are part of the problem, you're part of of the devils silent majority. And if you keep quiet, then you will have nobody to complain to when they tell you. Oh, by the way, in your Greek Orthodox church, if you do not marry men who wanna get married, we're putting you out of business. I think that's where we are John. I'm sorry to agree with you. But I am total in total agreement. With what you're saying. I hate to be right. I'm not joking. I hate to be right to it's one of those things where you say I wish I hate for the two of you to be. This is this is tough stuff. This is very tough stuff. They're always these Cassandra's like John's miracle Eric Metaxas. And you have to say sometimes Cassandra is right. And if you don't listen on Hoffer was one of those. He was like an Old Testament prophet in the last century. We're living in the novel this present darkness. Well, yeah. Except God has written a novel much better than these times. You can both be Cassandra. Okay. Whatever that means. I think I know what you mean. I rebuke you, okay. Beverly hall and James Robson. We're going to take you barbecue joint or we're gonna give you some council. Good barbecue. No, not until you receive the council seriously, though, Joe Johns, Merrick it's always a joy.
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on WSB-AM
"In college. So a kid who'd never played a sport was accepted as an athlete, for example. Quite literally kids promoting their own children's future honor earned at the expense of a child. He might actually have earned that seat in college. I think probably no one here has been involved in a cheating scandal at some college or university. I hope but I met we have at some time or another been tempted to think that our future really is more important than someone else's. So we're justified in pursuing it even at someone else's expense. And perhaps most insidious of all we're tempted all the time to believe that we govern our own lives. We fall into the lie that we make our own way that we don't need other people or a community to hold us that we're tempted to believe that we make our own plans, and we forget about God's plan for us and for the world. Dietrich bond Hoffer is one of my favorite theologians to read and study talks about temptation as forgetting he calls it forgetful -ness of God. Now nine hundred thirty seven there was a group of pastors in the confessing church shared a bible study that Bonn Hoffer lead. He's the same theologian who would later be arrested and imprisoned in concentration camp and executed in part for his resistance to Adolf Hitler and the Nazi regime, but before that he led a bible study many of us have participated in such a thing. But the topic of the whole study every time they met was temptation, those studies have been saved and they're put together in a book. And I love how bond Hoffer describes temptation, here's what he says with irresistible power desire seizes mastery over the flesh. Whether it's Embiid or vanity or desire for revenge or love of fame and power or greed for money joy in God is extinguished in us. At this moment. God is quite unreal. Satan does not hear Phyllis with hatred for God. But with forgetfulness of God. Not hatred, but forgetfulness that sure resonates with me friends, I think very few events actually turn away from God on purpose. We don't usually decide to defy God or to ignore God's plans. We may be hesitant to answer. But we don't usually reject God. It's more like bond hoppers image that we forget we lose sight of God's activity in our lives because we're distracted where will and we're tempted to think that we are the goal of our own lives. And when that happens, we miss out on the deep joy comes from following in faith. I think this is exactly what's happening to Peter in the text that Larry just read for us for Matthew's gospel and after say, I feel really badly for Peter. Does it make you cringe to hear this text a little bit? Because as Larry said Peter thinks he knows the plan and here in these verses his whole world gets turned upside down as he finds out what self-denial means for followers of Jesus Christ. The plan. Peter was working on was to be the rock on which Christ would build the church just as Larry mentioned Jesus has just asked his disciples. Who do you say that? I am and Peter is the eager student the beloved disciple the one who always knows the answer. He sort of jumping out of his seat to get.
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"Metaxas show announcer, and I've known Eric since he was a big nobody. Fact. He stepped on us. He climbed the ladder of success. And now, my former friend Eric Metaxas. Sweet as we were friends at one time, but I don't have time for people like that anymore. I'm a big deal tape speaking big deals, look who I have I have Lance wall. Now in the studio one of these prophetic nuts that believes that Trump is a kind of Cyrus, and I always want to hear from all different sides. Because as you know, I voted for Hillary just kidding seriously, though, you you, and I. We kinda we kinda hung it out there in different ways. When I said like, I think we need to vote for Trump. And why it doesn't mean people can look your trading power. You're trading your character for political power. I thought you know, me like, you really think I would do that God's sake. But people are very angry and upset you are the one who put it out there that Donald Trump is a Cyrus figure, which I think is correct. But let's just talk about that for a minute. Because there were a lot of people when they hear this kind of stuff they go insane. And I don't know really what to say to somebody who is who is so angry. But let's talk about this. Because you've been very vocal you have YouTube following a lot of people you, and so let's let's talk about and I love this fifty million people that voted for him. It's just that what it's just that the Russians stole the election. He's talking about fifty million Russians. Maybe but people voted then my on figuring out there all over the country. And but they're not typically in the verticals of influence by the seven mountain stuff. How many people what you're doing media in New York? No less. How many people are doing movies documentaries on Netflix special this face it? You and I are so on the same page. But that's what I'm saying. I said to you earlier very few people can I get this. And so it's like I feel like I'm sitting here with my my soul, brother. You get you get this stuff, and it's very important. It's only to the business was the only realm that was was sacrosanct then was in. Then I realized it's only if you own your own business, are you actually able to be more of a an out of the box out of the closet conservative owned, by the way, many people, you know, this many people in business and corporations they are gutless, they do not. I mean, I think of Mike Lindell with my pillow, he now, he's become a friend. He is one of the sponsors on this program. But he uses that platform, if you buy a my pillow, you get a box of the scripture verse falls out, this is a guy who's living his faith in the world of business. How many Christian businessmen are not doing that? In the closet. They're afraid he owns the business. What exactly if you don't own it? I mean, if you're in Wall Street, if you're in any if you're not the -demia, oh my God. Forget it. Forty five percent of the professors are marxists. And that's based on the latest Barnard data. So you have a whole system that is dominated. And then you wrote the book on on Wilberforce, so Wilberforce his whole premise was that to change a culture you needed a sustained pattern of public persuasion? Sustain pattern who has a sustained banner. Donald trump. That's why he's a wrecking ball because between a Twitter feed and his ability to speak or gather a rally, he literally demolishes all of this massive infrastructure. That's conspired against him with every time. He opens his mouth decides to tweet something. It's like boo you just say he's like Simpson club and a pilot. What's so funny, though, is that he he's a maniac, and I think of my most recent biographies about Martin Luther, and as I was writing the story of Luther I thought to myself. Holy cow. There weird similarities because Luther was a maniac his friends were effectively telling him. He can you tweet twenty percent less. I mean, they basically all of his friends were saying like, you gotta tone it down and the language and you did it today. But it's a kind of a you put it a chaos candidate. There's something that Trump is able to do that. I do not believe any of the other. Wonderful Republican conservative candidates wouldn't have been able to pull it off. Can you imagine Mike Huckabee Carson Rubio Cruz, these are all the card carrying even it's so to me that all this line of even juggles? And then as the one guy who we know is not even I mean, even when he goes down meeting on his third wife with a porn star. That's who the Russell litmus test is. And what have you repented repented? He says, well, nothing I can think of is you see? But I I gotta tell you the level of ignorance that that he showed what the bible I personally find so hilarious other people get angry. I find it hilarious because you and I grew up in a secular, New York environment. And we know that's how most people think I'm a good person. Who I go to church four times a year. Whatever like, you know, they don't they don't think. So. But the fact that he's on record. And then you've got these Corinthians vs kind of Pharisaical Christmas, my favorite one. Okay. Is after he made some stumble on that. Right. Some CNN or whatever. Decides like we're going to follow up on this. Right. And this is like one of the greatest moments. Maybe people don't appreciate it the way I do. But this is my humor. So the guy asks CNN, I don't know if it was a cost of who was Jake tapper says, so what are you? He was candidate. He says, well, what are you would you say you're more like a like an Old Testament guy or New Testament got what do you prefer the Old Testament of the New Testament, which is by the way, a really dumb weird question. Like they'd shows. Okay. But this is this is the beauty of it. This is the beauty of this is like the eighth grader who's being the teacher. Trump says. So so the question is are you are you you prefer the ultimate of the New Testament? Trump says. I think I think about even. It is. I cannot stop dying over that show. I think I think about even like he just knew what to say earlier episodes were good. There's some later episodes. That were good. You think Seinfeld sold out in the in the seventh season. What do you think? Yeah. Maybe. Okay. So you you realize what I realized that we've got a very strange situation that when he was running. There's something about this guy. Now part of it for me was I was never Hillary. And I said to myself, you can run George McGovern. You could run practically anybody, and I would vote for them because I thought Hillary was gonna bring America farther down the liberty scale than Obama had in that it's going to be the end of America. And because I love American I really believe God's hand has been on this country with all our problems. So I didn't have a problem. Once we have a candidate that UP side saying people should over Trump would astounded me. Lance was the anger of many conservatives and some Christians against this, man. Yes, this delightful, and the reason is because we had all these nice proper electable evangelical, and then God chooses the one barbarian and the group, and and I think that there's a statement in that I think it's in a sense. And this is what is really offensive to the conservative and juggles. I think God is making a statement to us. He's saying, well, if you guys don't want to do anything with the culture, I guess I'll just pick someone who can at least do a little. Reset for you. It's not likely to come from you guys. So I'll do it my way. Okay. What you just said. Underscore underscore underscore. What you just said. God does this every time. He says you don't want to do it. I will go outside. I will go outside the church. Bon Hoffer his trying to wake up the church, and the church is basically saying, we don't wanna get political. So Bonn Hoffer led by God goes outside the church and works for German military gets involved in the plot to kill Hitler. Time and time again, God goes outside the church. God offers the messiah to the Jews. I he says well, you don't want them. I will make you jealous. I will go to the gentiles over and over. God does this stuff. Dela so conspicuous that Isaiah forty five written a hundred years before Cyrus was born the prophet. Isaiah says. You know that the Lord is going to raise up Cyrus, and he will be my shepherd. This is to think about this. This is a Persian foreign ruler. This means that the fingerprints of God are I'm not gonna pick a Jew, and I'm not gonna take him from your people. I'm going to raise my own shepherd, and he's not going to be one of you. Because you guys are screwing this thing up hundred years before Cyrus was born he predicts the guy's name and then catch this. He says, and why am I doing because verily I am a God who hides himself right there in the twentieth. Verse. I hide myself. It's right there in plain sight, the forty fifth president United States would be an Isaiah forty five Cyrus. That's what I predicted. When I went out on a limb. And after enough you say something like that, you think listen with me, what am I crazy? What am I saying? What am I crazy? I can't pay the rent. Okay. We're gonna be right back. We're talking about some controversial stuff with Lance. Walnuts. Eric metaxas. Show. Hey, folks, I like to have fun. But I wanna talk about something that I take very seriously the bible, if you believe the bible is the word of God is I do, you know, it's important to study and understand what it says until they were very fortunate to have some very powerful tools to help us study the bible the team at faith life recently launched their latest version of logos. Bible software, logos eight when I heard users calling logos. Eight the best upgrade in years. I knew how to try it for myself. And you know what? They're right logos is easier to use.
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on 860AM The Answer
"Your host Eric Metaxas. Hey, todd. Hey, it's my pleasure. Believe me. Folks. This is the arc Metaxas. Show which is to say, it's the show about everything falling under the rubric of everything. Just barely nonetheless falling under the rubric of everything is what I like to call New Testament manuscript studies. I am fascinated since I became serious about my faith in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight I've been fascinated with the idea. How do we know whether the bible is really the word of God. How do we know if the manuscript haven't been changed in the middle ages? How do we know all this stuff? So I read a book by f f Bruce the New Testament documents are they reliable, and I was stunned by what I found. Just amazing proof evidence really overwhelming. So I've been interested in this for a long time. I have a dear friend Dallas named Bruce Fogarty. He turned me on to something called the center for the study of New Testament manuscripts headed up by guy named Dan Wallace. And I said could we get him on the program and? Bruce said if you give me fifty bucks, I'll look into it. I gave him fifty bucks. I didn't hear anything back. But fortunately, another friend connected me with Dan Wallace. Who was on the line right now. Dan wallace. Welcome. Well, thank you. I appreciate that introduction. I'll give you a hundred bucks. Aren't you friends with Bruce Fogarty? Symptoms advisory board. Okay. Well, do me favor. If you see him he tell America needs is fifty dollars. No, no questions asked. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give him a hard time. But like, I need my fifty bucks. What can I tell you? Okay. I wanted to start on a positive note but failed. No seriously. I I love Bruce. And he he's always excited about these kinds of things and this in particular, and I thought this just sounds fascinating. And the more I looked into it the more. I thought boy sounds like a fun conversation. So you are a senior research professor of New Testament studies at by Ola are you still at by Ola? No, not bio, I I went there. I'm at Dallas seminary. I'm sorry. You're in Dallas. What am I talking to you? I'm a southern Californian fourth generation. But I I live in Texas. Okay. Right. So so you you've done post doc work at Cambridge University and Tuebingen I loved to being in Bonn Hoffer went to you tubing in for his first year, I visited tubing in many times. This study in tubing and that sounds like a good as Cambridge. Wow. It's iconic an amazing place. I really love spent time there, and what is it that that got you interested specifically in New Testament manuscript? Well, when I got serious about my face, I met a man in southern California who was an area, and he did not believe in the deity of Christ. Okay. Wait, wait. Wait, a R A N S. Correct. Okay. Now, a r y a n just to be. That's a different. That's a different conversation. Right. But he followed areas the heretic in the fourth century. Who was condemned us? So, but anyway, this this man said he was firmly committed to Jesus Christ. But he didn't believe in his new try. We had several conversations. He tried to convince me that was the case. And I thought if I've committed by life to Jesus I wanna make sure that he's worth committing my life. Wouldn't it be a bummer if you found out, oh, he's not and? It's kind of important. Yeah. It's kind of important we need to. We don't want to base our faith on anything because we want it to be true. We wanted. Actually, we went actually to know what the truth is. Okay. So that's what started you on this journey. Yeah. And so I got into Greek studies studied classical Greek in new tests would agree. And I wanted to know both with the language of the New Testament was all about terms of the grammar. So I've written an eight hundred fifty page grammar of the Greek detests, and I wanted to know about the tax. Do we have the right taxed or hasn't been changed by early Christians who changed to Jesus was into a DVD type figure? I wanted to know if that was the case, well, it's so funny because there's so much confusion on this. I mean, even the other day, Elaine Pagel's goals was profiled in the New York Times. And I thought people like Elaine Pagel's have so confused this for good people who just want to know. Hey, what's the story and the to cut to the chase the bible is true? And all of these apocryphal documents that have come out stuff supposedly written by the SEC. Jeans, and the Dead Sea scrolls and the gospel of Thomas, whatever is spurious kooky stuff, but there's always a fascination with that and people kind of get sucked sideways and. It's a normal thing. But I wanna be clear in case. People don't have time to listen to the rest of the program that it's easy to get confused and people need to know that the New Testament is exactly what it purports to be which is the word of God transmitted by faithful people very carefully over the centuries. I mean, I've come to that conclusion along time ago when I read f f BRUCE'S landmark work, probably in one thousand nine thousand nine or something like that. But you've you've devoted a decades to this. I'm just fascinating. So what what is it that you do these days? Do you do a lot of speaking on the subject, I do I speak all over the country, and and in in several countries throughout the world, I've been at thirty five countries. And I haven't done speaking engagements and all of those, but I speak about is what we have. Now what they wrote in. That is is any, but that we have in our hands today, essentially what the apostles and their associates wrote two thousand years ago. And what do we find because people like to focus on the confusing bits, right in other words? But by and large the New Testament as we have it now is precisely what it was when it was first written. I mean that that's a fact, but most people just don't know that they've got this idea in their head that maybe it was changed by the monks in the middle ages. To what extent is there anything to that idea? Well, it is a fact that the scribes corrupted the text either accidentally or intentionally there's not a single manuscript. We have any decent length that doesn't have mistakes in their own handwritten manuscripts before the time of the printing press, we'd better were five thousand of them in Greek alone. And no to them agree. Exactly. So we have to work through those manuscripts. We have to work backwards in time. We have to do significant comparison with the manuscripts to try to determine what the original text said my conclusion is that in all essential respects, and in the vast majority of particulars. What we have in our hands today is a veritable word of God. I mean, that's a big deal to say that. And it's one of the reasons I wanted to have you on because there's so many people who they don't really I think when it comes to this kind of thing people don't wanna think to carefully because they're afraid what they'll find. If they do a deep dive, they're gonna find out that the whole thing is confused and people have been fudging it for centuries. And here we are. So what do you mean when you say the word of God you discovered that? It's the word of God unpack that as it were. Well, I I made a decision over thirty years ago to pursue truth at all costs and really changed my life in terms of academic studies. I decided I'm not going to be afraid to look into the details and see what they have to say. And I got into this my views did change on certain things, but still all within the realm of the orthodox faith and sack. My belief about the original text in what we have today was significantly strengthened. By decades of study these manuscripts. We have. Maybe I'd say if you take kicked him of skeptical scholars about the New Testament a guy by the name of bark Herman would probably disagree on the original Texas in no more than about fifty places. That's not very significant. Well, it's interesting because Bart Erman whom I've met he he was at Socrates in the city doing a debate some years ago, I was interested in the idea that he seems to have fallen away from the Christian faith as a result of what he studied. How do you think that's possible? I don't really get that. It's possible. I think it depends. I've done kind of a study on this over the years of why is it that certain people who come from conservative circles when they go on for a logical education, sometimes depart from orthodoxy one of the reasons actually is that the professors that they had maybe in bible college. So the questions they were asking were inappropriate. Actually, you know, what we're going to go to a break. I want to follow this question. And here you're answering full when we come back folks,.
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on AM 970 The Answer
"Now, your host Eric Metaxas. Hey, todd. Hey, it's my pleasure. Believe me, folks. This is the arc Metaxas. Show which is to say, it's the show about everything falling under the rubric of everything. Just barely nonetheless falling under the rubric of everything is what I like to call New Testament manuscript studies. I am fascinated since I became serious about my faith in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight I've been fascinated with the idea. How do we know whether the bible is really the word of God. How do we know if the manuscript haven't been changed in the middle ages? How do we know all this stuff? So I read a book by f f Bruce the New Testament documents are they reliable, and I was stunned by what I found. Just amazing proof evidence really overwhelming. So I've been interested in this for a long time. I have a dear friend Dallas named Bruce Fogarty. He turned me on to something called the center for the study of New Testament, man. Manuscript headed up by guy named Dan Wallace. And I said could we get him on the program? And Bruce said if you give me fifty bucks a look into it. I gave him fifty bucks. I didn't hear anything back. But fortunately, another friend connected me with Dan Wallace. Who is on the line right now. Dan Wallace, welcome. Thank you. I appreciate that introduction. I'll give you a hundred bucks. Aren't you friends with Bruce Fogarty? I am. Advisory board. Okay. Well, do me favor. If you see him you tell America needs is fifty dollars. No questions asked. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give him a hard time. But like, I need my fifty bucks. What can I tell you? Okay. I wanted to start on a positive note. But I failed. No seriously. I I love Bruce. And he he's always excited about these kinds of things and this in particular, and I thought this just sounds fascinating. And the more I looked into it the more. I thought boy this sounds like a fun conversation. So you. Are a senior research professor of New Testament studies at biolo- are you still at biolo-? No, not at bio. I I went there. I'm at Dallas seminary. I'm sorry. You're in Dallas. What am I talking about? I'm a southern Californian fourth generation. But I I live in Texas. Okay. So so you you've done post doc work at Cambridge University and Tuebingen I love tubing in Bonn Hoffer went to you tubing in for his first year, I visited tubing in many times, you get to study in tubing. And that sounds like a good as Cambridge. Wow. It's icon IQ in an amazing place. I really love spending time there, and what is it that that got you interested specifically in the New Testament manuscript when I got serious about my face. I met a man in southern California who was an area, and he did not believe in the deity of Christ. Okay. Way way. A R A N. That's correct. Okay. Now. A r y a n no that's a different. That's a different conversation. But he followed areas the heretic in the fourth century who was condemned. So, but anyway, this this man. Said he was firmly committed Jesus Christ. But he didn't believe in his new try. We had several conversations who tried to convince me that was the case. And I thought if I've committed my life to Jesus I wanna make sure that he's worth committing my life. Wouldn't it be a bummer if you found out? Oh, he's not. And so it's kind of important. Yeah. It's kind of important we need to. We don't want to base our faith on anything because we want it to be true. We wanted actually we want actually to know what the truth is. Okay. So that's what started you on this journey. And so I got into Greek studies studied classical Greek in New Testament Greek and I wanted to know both with the language of the New Testament was all done terms of the grammar so written eight hundred fifty page grammar of the Greek detachment, and I wanted to know about the text. Do we have the right texture hasn't been changed by early Christians who changed to Jesus was into Didi type figure I wanted to know if that was the case, well, it's so funny because there's so much confusion on this. I mean, even the other day, Elaine, pay goals was profiled in the New York Times. And I thought people like Elaine Pagel's have so confused this for good people who just want to know. Hey, what's the story and the to cut to the chase the bible is true? And all of these apocryphal documents that have come out stuff supposedly written by the s scenes and the Dead Sea. Scrolls and the gospel of Thomas, whatever is spurious kooky stuff, but there's always a fascination with that and people kind of get sucked sideways, and it's a normal thing. But I I wanna be clear in case. People don't have time to listen to the rest of the program that it's easy to get confused and people need to know that the New Testament is exactly what it purports to be which is the word of God transmitted by faithful people very carefully over the centuries. I mean, I've come to that conclusion along time ago when I read f f BRUCE'S landmark work, probably in one thousand nine hundred nine or something like that. But you've you've devoted a decades to this. I'm just fascinating. So what what is it that you do these days? Do you do a lot of speaking on the subject? I do I speak all over the country, and and in several countries throughout the world, I've been thirty five countries. And I haven't done speaking engagements and all of those, but I speak about is what we have. Now, what they wrote in that is gonna test that we have in our hands today, essentially what the apostles and their associates wrote two housing years ago. And what do we find because people like to focus on the confusing bits, right in other words? But by and large the New Testament as we have it now is precisely what it was when it was first written. I mean that that's a fact, but most people just don't know that they've got this idea in their head that maybe it was changed by the monks in the middle ages to what extent is there anything to that idea? Well, it is a fact that the scribes corrupted text either accidentally or intentionally there's not a single manuscript. We have any decent length that doesn't have mistakes in it. They're all handwritten manuscripts before the time of the printing press, we'd better were five thousand of them in Greek alone. And no to them agree. Exactly. So we have to work through those manuscripts. We have to work backwards in time. We have to do significant comparison with the manuscripts to try to determine whether original tech said my conclusion is that in all essential respects, and in the vast majority of particulars what we have in our hands. Today's veritable would have got. I mean, that's a big deal to say that. And it's one of the reasons I wanted to have you on because there's so many people who they don't really I think when it comes to this kind of thing people don't wanna think to carefully because they're afraid what they'll find, you know, if they do a deep dive, they're gonna find out. That the whole thing is confused and people have been fudging it for centuries. And here we are. So what do you mean when you say the word of God you discovered that? It's the word of God unpack that as at work. Well, I I made a decision over thirty years ago to pursue truth at all costs, and it really changed my life in terms of academic studies. I decided I'm not going to be afraid to look into the details and see what they have to say. And I got into this my views did change on certain things, but still all within the realm of the orthodox faith. In fact, my belief about the original text in what we have today was significantly strengthened. By decades of study these manuscripts. We have maybe. Oh, I'd say you've take you kick them of skeptical scholars about the New Testament a guy by the name of Herman would probably disagree on what the original Texas in no more than about fifty places. Not very significant. Well, it's interesting because Bart Erman whom I've met he was at Socrates in the city doing a debate some years ago, I was interested in the idea that he seems to have fallen away from the Christian faith as a result of what he studied. How how do you think that's possible? I don't really get that. It's possible. I think it depends. I've done kind of a study on this over the years of why is it that certain people who come from conservative circles when they go on for a logical education, sometimes depart from orthodoxy one of the reasons that actually is that the professors that they had maybe in bible college. So but the questions they were asking were inappropriate. Actually, you know, what we're we're gonna break. I wanna follow this question. And here you're answering full when we come back folks, we're talking about New Testament manuscripts with one of the world experts. Eric Metaxas show stick around. Are you more than ten thousand dollars in.
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on AM 970 The Answer
"Talk show, and I'm talking to my friend, max McLean. Max welcome to the program. It's exciting to talk you about whatever you're working on. But this is particularly exciting. Well, we're excited to bring it to New York. It's we're talking about the new production of a man for all seasons to some people. That sounds like a classic that they know. But as we were saying earlier a lot of people it's completely new they weren't alive in the sixties or they weren't forced to watch this in school. A lot of people in the seventies. There were like, okay. For for history class. We're gonna watch a film today man for all seasons. You know? And you learned all about king Henry and cardinal Wolsey and Thomas more Thomas more as we sit on going into the break. He he's the hero. Here is the man that says I'm willing to die for my face. At what point do, you suppose? He realized that his life is at stake. I mean, the king set up the story for forget for people who know nothing what would the the the the essence of the drama. Well, as I mentioned earlier, it's he has to make a choice, and he's he's selecting a choice between his God and his king, and that's not a choice, his king appreciates. And so he tries the king Henry tries to twist his arm because for some reason primarily because more is a man of principle, but more to the point known to be a man of principle. A man who's honest that having more support was essential to him. And when he didn't get it. It did something to Henry that he wanted to do anything, and he employed this redhead this those gingers are there hot headed that? Yeah. And then if employed this administrator who's who's a particularly? Evil character. Who's that Thomas Cromwell? How could I forget Cromwell is involved is the camera as the person that gets things done and his job is to make more come to Henry side. And they put pressure upon pressure and more continues to hold back. He becomes in the end of a kind of a Christ figure in the sense that here's the the worst possible thing happening to the best possible person a good man working for the true in good needs. He's decimated and destroyed and yet when you watch it on stage because he does it with such courage in such grace. And in the end such joy, there's this this powerful catharsis, and you know, in the in the ancient world tragedy was meant to be a cleansing. And I it it. It makes you realize that you have a soul that there is such a thing as moral good that you have to hold onto it it just to me. It's the best example of that onstage. Wow. When they're coming from you that's a big deal because you I've known him for a long time, and you have played you've played CS Lewis a zillion times. I have written. You've written productions you've written dramas based on his life. But something like this, obviously when you have the figure. Being as you say so pure and put through this. I guess it reminds me the closest example, I can think of besides Jesus is Joan of arc. Have you ever thought of doing a production of of that? It just seems to me that that would happen your wheelhouse. It would and also Thomas Becket one. It's interesting Joan of arc has been produced. A lot recently there's been a rediscovery of of that play. But now play you're talking about the Bernard Shaw play. Sure. On we play that. That's that's pretty good. I think somebody like the person that you wrote the the the biography of Bonn Hoffer falls into this camp. That's that is true. And there has never been. There's never been anything like this written on bond Hoffer, we're making a movie on bond Hoffer. That's of course, a different thing than the theater, but I guess the the story of Joan of arc. I I know that Mark Twain his favorite book that he ever wrote is the story of Joan of arc. Can you think Mark Twain wrote a biography of Joan of arc? I mean, there are these figures in history that are just there. Strange and compelling and you see their goodness. And it's moving, and that's what's moving about a man for all seasons is that you can't deny that this, man. Even if you don't agree with him. Even if you yourself, not a Christian, the purity of his faith is willingness to die. What what happens to him in the end? What is the story? Well, I know, but I mean, how does it half an hour for how long ago so tower for eighteen months, and they can't get him to. His safety is in his silence. He will not sign the oath. He will not tell you why he won't sign the oath, and he won't he know that I don't remember this. This is the main thing is that they want him to sign the oath of succession, the act of succession, they they made a law that everybody had to sign it. He wouldn't sign it. Now, what is the act of success exceeding whom the act of succession is first of all that Henry is the supreme head of the church in England. Seething from the church that's part of it. The other part of it is that all his all of his his descendants. Right. From the line of amber Lynn. Yeah. Would be in line for the king. Cow. All right. When we come back. We're going to we're going to clarify this folks. Eric metaxas. Show talking to max McLean, the new play in New York. A man for all seasons..
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on AM 970 The Answer
"Ladies and gentlemen. I'm not gonna say that Eric Metaxas is a penny pincher, but to be told. Microphone, and I'm not even broadcasting from a studio sitting inside a refrigerator box in my garage. Whoops, better. Hurry up. The wife is backing in the car. Mr. moneybags himself Metaxas. Thank you. Thank you. Hey, folks, I've had a lot of duds on this program. If you listen to the program the last number of years, you know, a lot of my guests are. There. But I have never had a dud alike, the guest that we have in front of me Jerome Corsi dot Corsi. You're you know, you're not a dud. Well, thank you, Eric. Appreciate it. I just wanted to start out on a high note to let my audience know of all the duds we've had you're not one of them. Well, thank you you. Listen. Your story is so important that it's difficult for me to start. Let's let's start at the beginning. First of all you have written a book called silent. No more. How I became a political prisoner of Muller's witch hunt. You've been all over TV telling this story, it is upsetting to me. To think that this is true. In other words, I would prefer to think that this is an unfortunate political moment in our nation's history that this is not a witch hunt that they're doing their best people like Ken Starr, and others have said we need to trust Bob Muller. And I trust what Ken Starr says. But in this case as the months roll by find myself, more and more agreeing with your version of it then with the. Ken Starr version of it that this is a witch hunt. And it's troubling what you writing your book about what you've experienced at the hands of Muller and his people is chilling and horrifying and should be for every American. So to get you in the studio to tell the story, I'm just thrilled. And I want to say thank you for taking the trouble to come here. Eric is great pleasure to be with you. And just to start off. I want to let you know how much I have admired your bond Hoffer book, and quite frankly, the bond Hoffer story and the way you told the story have been an inspiration to me and what I've been going through with this Miller. Witch-hunt? Now that is almost unbelievable that is really thrilling to hear because I have to say that there have been times that I've thought that the parallel with Bonn Hoffer. And what he faced today's parallel is the deep state, not exactly. But the point is that when you're dealing with. When you're dealing with an enemy that has so much power. That is so entrenched. You really become a Cassandra when you speak against it. People say, oh, you're crazy. It's it's all political fee to say what you're saying all political, and they just want to shut you up. The idea that anything that I could have written obviously the life of bond offering not my writing. But the idea that it might inspire you because right now. What you talk about in this book what you're facing what you have faced. I want you to tell that story. So that people can hear hear it because as an American I find the whole thing. So chilling that. It's just hard for me to believe we come to this place that we're it kind of like an almost in a civil war ideological civil war. But t tell us for folks nothing about you you re twenty five year career in financial services. You co wrote. The book with. John O'Neill, unfit for command, John O'Neill who was on the dick Cavite show in one thousand nine hundred ninety one with with the sort of debating, John Kerry, you co wrote that book what year was that that was in two thousand and four and John O'Neill. I've actually known each other since we were seventeen or eighteen years old a John Neal is the great hero that book and of this report movement. It was my great honor to be able to write the book with John co author it and that launched me into a political writing career I've written twenty books since two thousand four. Some of them have been on the New York Times bestseller list to were number one. Man. Don't rub it in talking to a fellow author. Right. Nonni brag. But I greatly admire your work on kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Congratulations you deserve. It. Your books are spectacular and not just spectacular. But vitally important. Unfit for a grand was really a prelude. I mean, it started me on a path of really trying to expose what we now refer to the deep state. My current bestseller is killing the deep state. And I'm sure that made me a target as well as the books I've written against Barack Obama the Obama nation, which was number one in two thousand eight. The story. We're going to talk about here today. It's really a descent into the first stages of terrorism. And that's what Mueller represents this is what is so chilling to me when I heard that Lois Lerner, and the Obama IRS where were using the power of the Internal Revenue Service, for example to target political. Opponents I said that is the end of the United States of America. Once you have that kind of thing going on. We know that Nixon was guilty of some kind of that stuff, but he paid a pretty stiff political price for the little things that he did he tried to quote, unquote, screw dick cabinet. I don't know. If you remember that. I remember very clearly, and it's horrible. What Nixon did? But what we have. Now, what we had under Obama what we've had under this transition. And so and so forth. If it is true. If you're version is true. You are quite right. This is absolutely. The beginning of something that pretends. To be anti-fascist pretends to portray or rather attempts to portray the current administration as somehow fascist authoritarian. When in fact, it is they who are that. That's right. I mean, I never thought I'd live to see this happen in the United States of America. This has been a shock to me is developed the silent. No more I wrote as I was going through this experience with Miller was really. Was subpoenaed in August twenty eighth last year two thousand eighteen and I came in to cooperate. I brought in my laptops, vibe storage devices. Here's the question why we first of all why did Muller's team subpoena? You what is it that you did that they thought would bring clarity to their investigate? Well, first of all, I'm a journalist. And that's kind of that's another dimension to this Bill is going after journalists here, I was really my sociation with Roger stone. And the fact that I had I didn't discover this until we got about fifteen hours into this interrogation that lasted forty hours six sessions, two months grueling. They bring you to a unmarked FBI building in southeast Washington. You have to come in and check in your cell phones, and your laptops. No electron IX, you're in a closed in conference room. No windows across the conference table from. Two three special prosecutors plus six to nine FBI, it's an army of them. Now, are you allowed to say who some of those prosecutors were three a major prosecutors were genie re who is a she's a Hillary Clinton attorney. She had done work for Hillary Clinton, both on her emails and also under foundation uh second one's errands, Alinsky is a prosecutor under rod Rosenstein, he was the youngest of the three very very arrogant. Very sure of himself very much of a partisan. Ideologue and the third was Andrew Goldstein who is the most senior of the three. Yeah. But not running the team. He was a former head of corruption division in New York, south of south southeast district of New York under Bihar, US attorney. Okay. These names are familiar to me. Again, what you're saying is very upsetting. Because you're confirming my worst fears the idea that these folks are partisan ideologues working for the other side, which is not just the anti Trump side. But the pro Hillary pro Obama side of things each should chill every American, and I wanna thank you for your bravery in speaking out because this this is the end of America, if we don't fight this as you are fighting it by God's grace if the end of America, so we'll we'll take the full hour. I wanna hear as much as as you can tell me now, I wanna be clear before we go to the break the book silent. No more can be preordered. It doesn't come out until March. But it's an I tunes right now and an audio book on Amazon and narrated the nine and a half hours myself. Oh, great. So you really hear me? Get that right now. Okay. Silent. No more. They can get the audio version I tunes, and I tunes Amazon as an e book and this oh in the book as well. Okay. So the only be hard cover is coming out with my folks. Stick around Eric Metaxas. Show Jerome Corsi, my guess. Are you Tisha owner that would like to get out of your.
"bonn hoffer" Discussed on AM 970 The Answer
"Folks is here to show we are talking to the Reverend Scott Sauls, he used to be here in New York at redeemer Presbyterian, a lot of you know, redeemer through Tim Keller. He is now at Christ Presbyterian church in Nashville, and he has a book out called irresistible faith becoming kind of Christian the world can't resist. We're talking about it. Now, Scott ahead to cut you off. Forgive me in the last segment, you were just talking about being public about our faith. And I actually do think that is a big problem for a lot of, you know, serious Christians. They're sort of like it's like they behave as though they're slightly ashamed of of their faith. So they don't talk about it. And I think to myself holy cow. What are you selling you're selling something, beautiful and true and good? It's like having food for the hungry and pretending that maybe they don't want it or something. And I think, wow, we need to be more vocal. But it's it maybe it's because they've they've bought into some of the way the secular media. Portrays Christians where they've seen models of outspokenness that is not good. And so rather than speak up in a loud way. That's good. They get really quiet. Yeah. I think I think that's a really great and spot on insight. Eric, the I think the major is really against the kind of things that you mentioned a few minutes ago that that that there is a prevailing knee-jerk reaction. Among today's Christians against I guess, the version of Christianity that was presented in the eighties and nineties, especially through the so-called moral majority movement, and I guess the low point was was after nine eleven when a couple of very well known TV preachers got on national television and started blaming all sorts of different. Presumed immoral groups in America for further as being the reason why nine eleven happened. And that was just a major low point. And I think that was sort of a trigger for a lot of Christians to start rethinking what it means to be a believer. But I think the the knee-jerk was so hard that we kind of decided not only to shine a different kind of light. But just kind of shut the light off and and and retreat, and I think there's a better way, you know, a life giving engagement instead of a shaming condemning one. And and yet, you know, we've got to have our bond offers to when there's there's injustice, and when there's, you know, wrong in the world, you know, you've we've got to speak off and have a prophetic voice as well in the culture like bond offer, like Dr king, and so on as you've certainly written about, but but yes, I'm saying I agree with you. That's the only reason I do this program. Scott is people to agree with me to ratify what I'm already thinking. Not to challenge me. Seriously. It's interesting because I bring up Bonn Hoffer and William Wilberforce about him. I've also written a lot because they were willing to be unpopular. In other words, if I see an injustice, I think a lot of times modern evangelical Christians have said, well, I don't want to push people away from God. So I don't wanna I don't wanna be talking about the unborn. Or I don't want to be talking about a healthy view of sexuality because that's gonna make people uncomfortable. Whereas bond Hoffer said it's my duty to speak about the injustice that I see happening to the Jews. And we'll before said, it's my duty to speak about the injustice being done to the to the Africans. And. In a way, we're shying away from that. Because the same thing that I kind of just said, you agreed with that we've seen bad examples of it. And so we we've said, well, let's just shut up for a while. Sometimes maybe that's been the criticism that some people have had the concept of faithful presence that it almost seems like an apologetic stance toward the culture a little bit. And I think to some extent that might be true. Yeah. I think it depends on the situation there in the context, but you know, by large. I, you know, I do think that you know, there is there is a more. There is a more beautiful life giving public way of being a Christian. And especially if there are matters of Justice and certain people groups getting oppressed and push you down. You know, you you've got to you've got to be the voice as a as a tribe of believers in Christ's to to speak against that. But also be willing to pay a cost for it as bond, offering king and Wilberforce all did. I think that might be what distinguishes the moral majority movement of of eighty ninety nineties from those other voices is that the louder those voices got the more large their platforms God and the more in many ways, the more privileged. They gained you know, through through through that those efforts. I'm not sure that there was real significant persecution in the first century variety in the moral majority movement. I guess what I'm trying to say. I mean, I guess I would quibble with you because I think it's very complicated. In other words, I think that those the leaders of that movement most prominently, let's say Jerry Falwell were so vilified by the sect. Establishment that in a way, they did pay some price. In other words, the even now as we're saying that they got bigger platforms or something like that. It's not as though they only gained you know, they were not they were not lionized by the culture at large. Oh, that's that's absolutely true. I didn't mean to communicate that I would say there was a tribe or an echo chamber got bigger and bigger that lionize those voices. But what I wish about Jerry Falwell though, as the more private story of his life was the public aspect of his life. And that is that he befriended a guy named Larry Flint who wrote the most glowing eulogy of Jerry Falwell about their private friendship. Larry Flint was the publisher of hustler, man. I mean, some of the vilest pornography ever was put out by Larry Flint. So most people greatly would see him as a vile figure not as beyond grace. But just in terms of what he did. And he did he wrote some nasty vile things about Jerry Falwell and Jerry Falwell reached out to him with Christian love and spend time. I mean, it is one of the untold stories that that needs to be a whole. So I'm glad you're bringing it up because it's a hugely important story. But I mean, I would argue that the media is is not interested in that narrative. And that's part of the challenge that we have as Christians is that when you put something like that out there. It's rare that that people tell those kinds of stories so we're facing a challenge. Once again, we're out of time. We'll be right back, folks. 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