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4: James "Whitey" Bulger (Part 2)

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4: James "Whitey" Bulger (Part 2)

"Previously on mafia it's nineteen ninety-four in south boston. James whitey bolger was coasting through life after his prison. Release rising through the ranks of organized crime as the leader of the winter hill gang and a secret. Fbi informant bolger had been operating with little to no intervention from the law. But all of that was about to come crashing down. The law had finally caught up with him and his fbi handler. Was john parnell. He is actually still in jail. He was corrupting and he was the one that notified. Kevin notified. jimmy. Jimmy on the run in one. Last act of loyalty connolly got word to bulges closest associate. Kevin weeks that an indictment was coming for bolger. Why did he got out of dodge. Jen went on the run as his colleagues were all taken in for their crimes but this would turn into a sixteen year long pursuit and he was not going down without a fight. This is mafia long before whitey bolger became involved with the fbi. The organization was trying to figure out how to take down organized crime but they i needed proof that it was even a real thing. Jeff schumacher is the vice president of exhibits and programs for the mob museum in las vegas. The history of the fbi's focus on organized crime really starts in one thousand nine hundred fifty seven. The fbi was was really embarrassed by revelations that a mafia summit had been held in epic new york and before that j. edgar hoover the director of the fbi been saying well this mafia. It's not a big deals kinda miss. It's not it's not going to be our focus. We have other things to worry about. But when this summit was busted by state trooper in new york and it was revealed that there were like sixty mafia bosses from the northeast and all over the country. Who had assembled at this real estate to have a meeting. The fbi was chagrined and hoover decided that he was going to focus on the bothia in a big way. Thanks to hoover's decision. Italian crime families were now the target and everyone else was put on the backburner this meant bolger and his associates were essentially free to do as they pleased when i say the mafia they were really focused on the italian american. Morgan is crime that was going on around the country so this became the obsession of the fbi even in boston. Boston was one of those places. That had still had many irish organized. Crime groups you know. Obviously culture ahead by the seventies but they weren't in the fbi generally was not interested in what you're that way. They were interested in the italians. he wanted to take down. The mafia now is a far sexier thing for them to be able to to do so. What that meant was the irish mobsters. Were pretty much ignored or they were used for the by the fbi to get the italian. That's what the final goal but this obsession with taking down one. Specific group of people would turn out to be a waste of time as bolger would often lie and get away with it due to the agency looking the other way. Why would be calling the shots. Not the fbi. He considered himself like a liaison as opposed to being an informant. And that's how it went. Why often would lie reports to the fbi. Certainly was hold all kinds of information just a month. After he agreed with john. Conley to become an informant. He killed two people and claimed that others had done the killings and for his part very sadly you know conley. Look the other way When whitey and see flabby who also was an informant were committing all kinds of horrible crimes or killing people there extorting people all the things they were doing and the fbi would do nothing because what it was focused on. Was you taken down the mafia but everything was about to change when local police finally caught onto bulges dealings. Rightfully leaving the corrupted. Fbi out of the loop on their work. Why did why do you go into hiding. It started with the fact that even though the fbi was protecting the other investigative agencies law enforcement agencies in massachusetts. We're not so willing to protect him. And one of those individuals who really decided to focus on on bolger and steve fleming was a man named tom foley and tom. Foley was in charge of organized crime for the massachusetts state police and he would for very long time. Had been suspicious of whitey and fleming's connection with the fbi. What he wants to do is he wants to take whitey and fly me down so he starts by going after the bookies the a work for whitey which we want to try to get them to talk when he targeted this bookie named checkoff rats and chico france when he was facing indictment he decided to armed with incriminating information on bolger fleming and others officer fully now had what he needed. This information quickly finds its way to the fbi and more specifically right to john connolly's desk due to conflicting reports. Some say that kevin weeks one of bulger's closest associates is the one to inform bolger and company about the upcoming indictments. Some say it was commonly himself so in the fall of nineteen. Ninety four was indictments. Coming down against whitey and flamy john conley finds out about does he actually tells why and fleming they need to get out of town now or they're gonna get boston and so he gives them a head start. Whitey leaves town right away. Flee doesn't interestingly but whitey leaves town and he takes with him one of his longtime girlfriend theresa stand and they go to new york for christmas eve and they go to new orleans for new year's eve then they go to clearwater florida for a while. And in the meantime steve flamy for whatever reason he feels like he's protected. He's not going to get arrested. Phyllis curious is a writer and retired journalism. Professor and the author of kevin weeks's biography. She has personally worked with weeks to get the full story from him. His talks about the last meeting between weeks and bulger before the indictments came down on all of them. He said to kevin when they come for you. Give me up. And it was kind of strange statement and kevin didn't pay that much attention but he had this strange feeling. Something was really off and sure enough about three months later. It was announced that. Jim bolger was a fbi. Informant and to kevin. He was so astounded when he it on the news. Steady plumbing elson very strong patent with jimmy. In when he was also told by john connolly that the indictments were coming for both fleming. In for bouchier. Plummy refuse to leave. He said mad. This one will blow over on stay on january. Fifth nineteen ninety-five. Slummy is caught in boston and he had ignored all the warnings to get out of town and whitey indicted yet at that point. He was in connecticut heading back to boston. What he heard news on the radio that fleming had been arrested now known to the police without the fbi safety net and knowing an indictment was coming bolger was on the run and this time he had no one to hide behind. Nowadays everyone is online and being online can come with a cost your privacy but thanks to ip vanish. You can once again browse the internet safely without the fear of others. Seeing what you're up to. I p vanishes a virtual private network of vpn for short. A vpn is a super important tool that helps you safely browse the internet. You can use a vpn on your computers tablets phones even things like your fire stick when you're streaming media. When you use a vpn all your data is encrypted what you're reading. You're searching what you're watching. Whatever it is. 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Police were very low key when it came to bolger as they were embarrassed it had gotten to this point without them being able to catch him vice president of exhibits and programs for the mob museum in las vegas. Geoff schumacher explains so in terms of the the manhunt for for what he bolger. What's interesting about it is. The is the dichotomy of of how urgent it was depending on who. You work the boston office of the fbi. At least i was not particularly interested in catching whitey. They had no enthusiasm for the chase and this had to do with largely with how embarrassed they would be the whole thing but for the fbi. Generally it wasn't tense. Because why he was really a public paris mint and they really wanted to clean this up catching him and putting this whole thing to rest but they just couldn't catch him but there would soon change. The fbi did not offer a reward for his capture for two years and then he was not even added to the most wanted list until nineteen ninety nine. So the intensity of this chase was was muted at. I had it really got ramped up in nineteen ninety nine because of a man named mark wolf mark. Wolf was a federal judge who wanted to pin down exactly what the relationship was between the fbi. And why walter. And he did had a series of investigative hearings and he released a six hundred sixty one page document outlining the findings of those interviews and it was extremely damaging to the fbi but the drama was just beginning to unfold. The fbi now had reason to go after bolger to save their reputation and his own colleagues. Were beginning to turn on him. This really started the avalanche. Dan you saw one of these. Compasses abandoned john martorano. He agreed to cooperate and he told all about the murder sent. Don then kevin weekes. Who's a very close accomplice of of what he's he turned it as well and he told about the graves of murder victims. And then famously. There were a lot of media reports about digging up these these shallow graves where people had been buried after they were killed. The evidence against bolger was mounting and then fbi agent. John conley the guy who had worked with whitey. All those years was indicted and he was convicted of racketeering obstruction of justice. Lying and sense to ten years in prison so well this all. This testimony led to a new indictment widely in two thousand and he was accused of nine thousand nine murders and then in two thousand and three steve flamy the pleads guilty to ten murders and agreed to testify for the government why he bounced around staying in santa monica california for the majority of the chase though he was known for his enjoyment of traveling the world. Which would allegedly lead. The fbi's manhunt to various countries including mexico britain thailand and canada. They really traveled down to tijuana where they would get prescription drugs. And occasionally they went to las vegas for fun to savak the little little breather but the traveling would soon come to an abrupt halt once bolger's spot on the fbi. Most wanted list moved up a place after osama bin laden was killed in two thousand eleven. Why did he became number one on the most wanted list and this made him nervous he felt like once he became number one. The search was going to intensify and it did Right around that same time the f. b. i. Finally relented and brought in the us marshals service to help them was searched for whitey and you know the b. was flustered. They couldn't find whitey but it was. Us marshal serves. That's their expertise. That's what they do. Is they find fugitives right. The fbi was so proud that they couldn't possibly you know. Have the us marshals Do this and it wasn't long after that till all the pieces started to fall into place. They're signed a guy named neil sullivan to the case. And it didn't take long for neil sullivan and others to To figure this out the breakthrough a cnn story. The fbi had placed the series of ads looking for kathy greek. And this was the trek right. Me whitey was was going to be hard to find because he stayed home alive and and he had aids lot since the last pictures that they had so. He's easy to plant in catholic. Greg was really beautiful tall blonde woman and it was like she was very outgoing so she got to a meeting a lot of people and stuff. It was an interesting stroke of luck. The following series of events happened this woman in iceland. Believe it or not was watching. Cnn and she saw the story about the f. B. i.'s ad campaign looking for kathy greek and it turned out that the slavic woman had been living in california earlier and she had befriended greg and when she saw the report she called the fbi and told him about caroline. Charlie gasco in santa. Monica the fbi. Now the aliases of bolger and grieg and their location. Most importantly neither knew they were about to be apprehended. So yeah they finally know where he balls yours in two thousand eleven. They decided to they're going to bring him in and what they did was a contacted. A man named joshua bond and joshua bond was the property manager of the apartment complex. Where where whitey lip and and he was young musician and he had he had happened. Had befriended whitey so knew each other and he actually lived next door to bolger. So the fbi context bond. He confirmed what exactly we're why he lived in apartment three. Oh three and then abbad. He didn't really want to do it because suddenly he was scared. You know but he reluctantly agreed to work. With the fbi agents to lure why out of the apartment and ultimately bolger was arrested without incident outside the apartment complex the over a decade and a half long pursuit had finally come to a close. All that was left was the trial. The trial for whitey is held in two thousand twelve is a pretty interesting trial in. That is a lot of revelations about whitey and about what he was doing what was really interesting about. It was why didn't even really want to fight the charges of murder or of extortion. Or anything else that he was doing. All you wanted to do is prove that he wasn't an informant for the fbi. He was insistent. This is the most important thing for him was that he wanted to show that that was a lie well. He failed miserably in that in that effort and also we didn't fight the real charges very hard. The jury convicted bolger of thirty one counts including eleven of the nineteen murders. He had been accused of so he probably did all nineteen martyrs but the only evidence to prove eleven of them which is more than enough and this was the ultimate end of bolger's time on the run. The following year in two thousand thirteen belgium was sentenced to two life terms of press. He serves time in prison. He is Heavy starting to have medical problems is older man. but he's is big letter writer those a lot of letters out there in the world then including in our a collection where why is writing about his life and writing about different things that he's interested in. He was a real correspondent with a lot of different people. He moved around quite a bit within the federal prison system. For example he was in tucson arizona. You is in coleman florida using oklahoma city oklahoma in two thousand eighteen for for reasons that are still mysterious. Bolger is sent to the federal prison and burston mills west virginia. And it's a very strange Reason why who sent there. So it's not clear. And then he's put into the general prison population when he's there for. Someone is famous or infamous as whitey bolger to be placed in the general population is very unusual and also on october thirtieth two thousand eighteen. He was martyred in that prison. I think we have a pretty good idea. Who did it our loose. Who has been accused of doing it. As is the case organized crime sharing information with law enforcement is a big. No and whitey had come into contact with a fellow mobster. New he wasn't informant. One of them was a former boston. Area mob hitman. Who was serving a life term freddie. Jesus we're not sure yet of all the details but it's pretty clear. That gs reportedly had a particularly hatred for rats. Were informants and certainly bolger fit that mold. And ultimately he was his body was returned to boston and he was buried z. Monica's church in south boston so where he came from he returned. Phyllis carries author of kevin. Weekes is biography. Had this to say about kathy greg. Bolger's longtime girlfriend. She never believed any of the stories about jim. Bolger being a murderer. She knew he did some bad things. She knew listen to the mob but she never believed. She still doesn't to this day believe that he was really as bad as she honestly wants. Some people have a fascination with gangsters and mobsters somehow can look beyond the murders in the crimes they commit to focus on the charisma the bravado of these individuals or something about the mob that fascinates people without sorta recognizing the the much darker side of what they're looking at others especially those who were victimized by bolger. See him as this horrible murders thug. Who deserved everything. He got plenty of people in boston. Who were victimized by whitey. Bolger who had family members who were killed who were robbed from robbed by him who were hurt by him in one way or another and there are a whole 'nother faction certainly sees him as a rat as an informant which is worse than being a killer in some factions south. Boston in the end bolger will be remembered by some for his crimes and by others for his philanthropy. I think he. He added that psychopath sociopath not a psychologist. I mean i know. He's not Was he normal. Before yet those lsd treatments. I don't know that he eats crime was in his blood. I mean twenty is old. Is that in bakes. I mean this is not a normal person and there were six kids in his family. Six kids in kevin stanley and kevin was the only gangster and his. Jimmy was the only gang starring in his so had people raised by the same family. Detroit out that way. I don't know there to be something really screwed up in an to have done. So many words at there's a lot of different ways that people look wadi bolger. Today is certainly a man of contradictions. And that's one of the things that. I think you see with a lot of these criminals at the stature himself an american patriot while at the same time routinely using murder and threats to make his fortune. He had no trouble killing a person. He was just a cold blooded killer but he couldn't watch his sick dog put down without turning his head and cry. You know. He professed to hate drugs yet. He profited handsomely from drug dealers from extorting drug dealers. He valued loyalty among his peers at the same time. He was providing intelligence to the fbi. The man of contradictions that are most of us could not carry in our brain at the same time and somehow he was. He was able to do that well into his eighties. You know he never had that moment. It appears in prison where he realized that everything he had done was just horrible. It wrong and and you know he was able to justify so much. This has been mafia and audio boom original series hosted by me fleet cooper. This show is produced by audio booms. Lauren vogel blair payton pam boroughs karen bevan and rachel jacobs executive producers for audio. Boom are brendan regan and stewart last special things to fill karasin geoff schumacher for providing expert insight for this episode follow mafia on spotify or subscribe on apple. Podcast stitcher or wherever you find your favorite shows next time on mafia during the nineteen twenties. The big easy was home to some of the most notorious members of the new orleans underworld including silvestro silver dollar. Sam carollo a mafioso. So whose life is shrouded in legend and mystery as a member of charles matranga black hand gang. Sam corallo quickly became a force to be reckoned with eventually surpassing matranga as new orleans. Top dog if rollo ever resembled and al capone figure in new orleans. It was during this time newspapers or call him the little. Czar of the underworld of vipers bootlegger and the worst of the chicago style gangsters.

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Whitey Pt. 1: James Bulger

Kingpins

47:23 min | 8 months ago

Whitey Pt. 1: James Bulger

"Due to the graphic nature of this kingpins crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of murder and assault that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution children under thirteen. November thirtieth nineteen eighty-four drug and gun runner John mcintire road in the passenger seat of Patrick. Knees car. The two men made their way to knees. Brother's House to drop off cases of Miller lite for a party. Despite, being routine errand for their boss James Whitey Bolger McIntyre was nervous a few days earlier mcentire had agreed to tell the FBI and DA everything. He knew about Whitey, the Winter Hill Gang and all their South Boston criminal associates despite knowing what white he did. Two rats he still went along with it the car parked in front of Seven, ninety, nine Third Street in South Boston McIntyre, grabbed one of the beer cases and followed me into the kitchen with each step. He felt himself Calming Down Reassuring himself that there was no way they could. No he was cooperating with the feds. No one knew if the plan except for him the FBI and the DA. McIntyre was halfway into the kitchen when he saw a fifty five year old man with stark white hair step out from behind the refrigerator. In his hand was a silenced Mac ten machine pistol. It was the boss of South Boston himself Whitey Bolger right then and there McIntyre knew that Whitey also knew his secret and that was only one thing to do with rats dairy them in the basement. Welcome to kingpins podcast original I'm Alistair murden and I'm Kate Leonard every Friday we journey inside the ranks of Organized Crime Rings From Street gangs to mafiosos to understand how it kingpin or Queen Pin Rises to the top of the underworld and why they full as we followed the lives of infamous crime bosses, we'll explore how money and power change them and how it changed the community around them. This is our first episode on James Whitey Bulger the South Boston crime boss who's reign of terror lasted from the mid nineteen seventy s to the mid Nineteen Ninety S. Whitey turned and later became an official FBI informant using the agency to help eliminate rival gangsters. This week, we'll learn how the housing projects of South Boston shaped a young Whitey during the Great Depression and how he soon rose to become the leader of one of Boston's most notorious Irish criminal enterprises. The Winter Hill Gang next week will explore how Whitey's domination of the Boston FBI allowed him to cement his place in the city. But word eventually got out of WHITEY'S COZY FBI relationship leading to a sixteen year long manhunt to bring him to justice. Coming up we'll have the rise of Whitey Bolger. This episode is brought to you by bull and branch incredibly soft sheets crafted with organic cotton. So comfortable, even three former US presidents have slept on them only at B. O. L. L. Andbranch DOT COM. This episode is brought to you by Britannia don't miss the series. Critics are calling a sword and sorcery epic in the absence of game of thrones experience Britannia, a world filled with romance treachery, political intrigue, and Magic Watch only episode of Britannia Season Two Sundays at nine eight central only on epochs. This episode is brought to you by three M. You may know three M Scotch tape and post it notes but three M helps improve people's lives in many ways in response to in one thousand, nine, hundred, three M's committed tens of millions of dollars in cash and product to nations, including respirators, surgical masks, and hand sanitizer. Learn how else three am is helping the world's respond cove in nineteen at three m dot com slash covid. In the kitchen of seven ninety, nine east. Third Street in Boston Fifty Five Year Old Boston crime boss Whitey Bolger said across from John mcintire he felt nothing but hatred. He knew that McIntyre agreed to talk to the DA and there was nothing that Whitey loathed more than a rat. A cool breeze rattled the window on that day in November nineteen eighty-four McIntyre was handcuffed and chained to a chair. Whitey set his MAC ten machine pistol on the table and told him that they needed to talk. Knew, he was doomed. There was a reason why Whitey had become the kingpin of South Boston. Lording over the neighborhoods loansharking bookmaking truck hijacking and extortion rackets, and it wasn't by showing mercy. He knew that even if he was somehow able to talk his way out of the situation that was nowhere to run. By the end of his career Whitey sanctioned hits as far away as Oklahoma McIntyre. Himself had even been involved in weapons smuggling scheme into Ireland full Whitey. No less. His boss was an international criminal. The great irony of course was Whitey got away with all of his criminal enterprises because he himself was an FBI informant. Whitey had grown up in the projects with an FBI agent named John Connolly. To him. Whitey was more than just a valuable pawn in their war against the Italian mafia, and for Bolger, Connolly became his `get-out-of-jail-free card and it was connelly who gave him the tip that one of his guys McIntyre was talking of course only those in White T.'s inner circle new of his deal between Bolger and connolly besides who would suspect Whitey of talking he was the gentleman gangster who bought Turkeys for poor South Boston families on Thanksgiving, the man who was a fitness. Nut He didn't drink or smoke the same Whitey who for all of his wealth and power still drove a Chevy Malibu and lived with his mother nearly until her death in nineteen eighty. Whitey, was a Southie boy through and through no, one would accuse him of talking to the feds so why he ran southie and that meant he had all the tools in his pocket, the power of the FBI and the power to do whatever needed to be done to anyone who crossed him. In. The kitchen John mcintire shook his head apologizing over and over again he told his boss. I'm sorry. I was week white. He wasn't interested in the apologies he needed information. He turned the conversation to ask him questions about what McIntyre told the FBI. NDA and then oddly his questions shifted back towards business McIntyre was entrenched in Boston's drug trade Whitey. He had been forcing South Boston's drug dealers to pay him rent for working his streets and he wanted to make sure he was still getting his haircut McIntyre spilled everything both what he said to the feds and about the drug industry he held back nothing by the time McIntyre was done talking Whitey was satisfied. He calmed McIntyre down in assured him that they were just going to send him away. Once the heat died down, he could return to Boston somehow whites he managed to convince McIntyre to come down to the basement with him. and. Once they were downstairs white he tried to strangle McIntyre with the rope. But the rope was too thick. All it did was make McIntyre. throw-up frustrated Whitey grabbed a gun and shot him with that bullet. Whitey used his position as an informant for the FBI to kill another enforcement and the FBI had helped him do it. People like John McIntyre. What collateral damage the cost of doing business ultimately McIntyre's death meant nothing to Whitey. In fact, he went upstairs and took a nap a ritual he kept after every kill. Meanwhile, two of his henchmen buried the body John mcintire wasn't the first person buried in that house and he wouldn't be the lost. It was all part of Whitey's mission to hold onto his power and wealth key knew what it was like to be dirt poor and he wasn't ever going to live that way again. No matter. The costs. Whitey was born James Bolger junior on September third nineteen, twenty nine. Even at an early age he was known to have stark white hair hence the name Whitey. He. Hated it preferring instead to be called Jim or Jimmy. He was born in Everett Massachusetts a city a few miles north of Boston. But when he was eight years old, the family moved to the neighborhood that he would one day rule South Boston South Boston or Southie as the locals call, it has always seen itself as a place distinct from the rest of the city. Perhaps it's because south is a peninsula that juts out into Dorchester Bay and when it was first settled, the neighborhood turned into an island during high tide or it might be because from the mid eighteen hundreds on woods. Southie was predominantly a working class Irish Catholic neighborhood. The quickly became home to some of Boston's most violent carryings whatever the reason southie felt like a city within a city there the bolger's moved into the old harbor village project, a public housing complex for families affected by the Great. Depression. Miraculously the family of seven managed to cram together and live off the pittance that whyte's father brought in. James Bulger's senior made his living as a one armed laborer. Because few people wanted hire a work with only one arm especially during the Great Depression James Senior never had a steady job throughout his entire life. Changed. The family's finances and weighed on why? He felt growing up impoverished meant he needed to make something of himself like many gangsters Whitey had a fraught relationship with his father James Senior even beat him on several occasions for talking back. After that, why do you seem to develop a complete disdain for authority? Soon, the young boy had trouble obeying any authority figure especially teachers they described him as a surly lazy students who had no interest in school work. This attitude was a far cry from his younger brother Billy Billy would excel in his studies later graduating from Boston college law school unlike Whitey, billy was the good son despite the differences Whitey and billy were close. They constantly had each other's backs. This strong bond would be key to whyte's criminal success later on especially once billy became a high ranking politician in the Massachusetts Commonwealth government. It was only a matter of time before Whitey found his way into crime with little money coming in for the family and a poor record in school Whitey knew there was only one way out he'd have to get his hands dirty. He started his criminal career around his twelfth birthday stealing small-time merchandise like toasters and Ian's off the back of parked trucks the kids cold it tailgating it wasn't long before Whitey graduated to more serious crimes. Just a year later at thirteen, he was arrested for Larceny and delinquency. It was no coincidence that around the same time also joined a youth street gang called the shamrocks wild in the shamrocks wide. He began to style himself as a gentleman gangster helpful to the community but ruthless toward his enemies whiting Nevoso himself as a bad person, and he certainly didn't want the rest of the well to see him that way IFA, he would often describe himself as a good bad guy. He might beat a kid up for money but then he turned around and use that money to buy different kid treat a regular Robin Hood. And it was during one of Whitey's early gentlemen gangster moments when he met another kid who would be just as important to his future career as his brother John Connolly. In the summer of nineteen, Forty, eight, eight year old John connally was hanging out with some friends that an ice cream store when Whitey bulger passed by. Whitey ost the boys if they wanted some ice cream, everyone's said, yes. Except for Connolly Connolly told Whitey that he wasn't supposed to take anything from a stranger whitey gallantly knelt down and told the young connolly that both of their families were from Ireland. So they weren't strangers they were both Irish that was a gesture of brotherhood and all it took to get connolly on his side Connolly would remember this and similar acts of kindness from white t throughout his entire life and years later connolly made sure to return the favor. As a teenager, Whitey was arrested multiple times for various crimes including attempted rape in order to create some distance from his growing rap sheet though he did what many wayward Southie boys did he joined the military from nineteen, forty, nine to nine, hundred and fifty two Whitey served in the Air Force as an aircraft mechanic still despite the strict military discipline, he was unable to shake his rule breaking ways. He spent most of his time getting into trouble on various bases while in Oklahoma City in nineteen fifty widely even briefly sat military jail for going Awol and yet two years later, Whitey left with an honorable discharge. Twenty, three whites he returned to South Boston feeling restless and itching to earn money. He tried his hands at tailgating again and he earned enough cash to buy an oldsmobile. The wheels allowed him to call to local beauty named Jackie McAuliffe. But that wasn't enough why he was ready to try his hand at something more serious than just petty knockoff jobs. He just didn't know his way in yet so he went looking. Not, long after returning home whites, he began to hang around local Baas even though he didn't drink, he knew they were the right place and the right time, and soon he grew very friendly with a man named call. Smith allegedly Smith would be the one to introduce Whitey to a whole new profession frank rubbing. Coming up, Whitey takes his first steps into serious crime. I'm so excited to introduce you to the newest spotify original from podcast called blind dating. Hosted by Youtuber Tara Michelle Blind dating is a fun twist on a classic setup strangers introduced conversation commences and sparks either fly off fizzle. But here's the catch. A hopeful singles have to choose their match before ever seeing their face and once they've picked potential dates, we turn the cameras on and then the butterflies or goodbyes. 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Whites, he readily agreed details of his first bank robbery are sparse but Whitey himself reportedly claimed that when he discovered what the real job was, his first impulse was to back out however, why t still went ahead with the job he was too afraid of what the other guys in the crew would think if he chickened out this first robbery was clearly a success granted Whitey Ian Smith went on to rob several more banks in the months that followed the school came in. May of nineteen, fifty, five at a local branch of the Industrial National Bank in Pawtucket Rhode. Island within full minutes, whites he in the crew escaped with forty two, thousand, one, hundred, twelve dollars or a little more than four hundred thousand dollars today for a kid who grew up during the Great Depression. This felt like finally hitting the big time and to celebrate twenty five year old Whitey took his girlfriend Jackie on multiple vacations to Florida where he bought her anything she wanted. But things couldn't stay rosy forever that same year in November whites he teamed up with fellow. Bank Robber Richard Bauchard to rob the Hoosier State Bank in Indiana though the job itself was successful, it proved to be one bank too many a few months later in early nineteen, fifty-six an. spotted. Whitey wearing a cheap disguise at a nightclub just north of Boston he soon alerted the FBI in Whitey was arrested shortly thereafter, the agents in charge of white Whitey's arrests was a man named Paul Rico. Rico was notorious for his ability to flip criminals into informants and in Nineteen fifty-six he saw potential in Whitey. He had found himself a new rat rico showed whitey respect never acting with condescension even though he came from the insular southie where riding out anyone to the police was an unforgivable sin why do you prove different than his peers? He was quick to give up his accomplices. This would mark the first time in his criminal career that he was willing to sell others out in order to protect himself according to Whitey his reasons for talking released somewhat altruistic. He wanted to make sure his girlfriend Jackie was kept out of the fray. She hadn't done anything wrong and the feds needed to leave her alone. He also claimed it was called Smith who'd ratted him out to the authorities in Indiana, and there was no need to protect someone like that yet despite cooperating with the FBI, Whitey was still sentenced to twenty years in federal prison in June of Nineteen, fifty six. Surprisingly why was optimistic about the situation? He saw it as an opportunity to finally get an education a chance to better himself but prison wasn't so clean cut when he arrived at the federal penitentiary in Atlanta, he immediately hated it. He tried to read and study but sharing a cell with seven another men made it nearly impossible to focus whitey became desperate for an early release in August of Nineteen fifty seven, he even signed up to be a test subject for an experimental drug program run by the US government. What he didn't realise was that he had just volunteered to be a part of M. K. tra- running from one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, three to nineteen, sixty, four. M.. K. Ultra was a clandestine C. A. Program straight out the pages of a Hollywood conspiracy thriller. Its objective was defined a mind control drug. The CIA as drug of choice at the time was lysergic acid diethylamide commonly known as LSD. Why do you agree to subject himself to weekly LSD injections for three dollars a shot though the tradeoff was mere days taken off his overall sentence. By. The end of his fifteen month long participation in the program Whitey only got fifty four days removed. The LSD however had a much longer lasting effect from that point onward wanted he suffered from insomnia and debilitating nightmares he was known to wake up in the middle of the night screaming. This condition would haunt him for the rest of his life. Despite his brush with M. K. Ultra whitey manage to turn much of his energy to improving his mind. He became a veracious reader and tried his best to become a model inmate in nineteen fifty nine. He was transferred to Alcatraz adding his name to the long list of famous criminals to have served time at the rock as it was called. Alcatraz was better than Atlanta but still his time that convinced him that if and when he got out white, he would do whatever it took to never go back to prison again, the road back from tries to Boston would be long. But with help from his brother Billy, who is now a lawyer Whitey was able to get transferred closer to home I to Leavenworth Kansas in nineteen, sixty two, and then Lewisburg Pennsylvania in nineteen, sixty, three from there. He continued to keep his head down and do his time those efforts paid off. He was granted parole and left prison on March. First Nineteen, sixty five. The thirty, five year old Whitey thought he would live a life on the straight and narrow. This was his second chance and he wasn't going to waste it. Unfortunately Whitey was returning to a different. South Boston one that was in the midst of a violent gang war. But this same climate would pave the way for Whitey's climb to become the king of. Southie. The war started on Labor Day weekend nineteen sixty. One. George McLaughlin and his two brothers controlled most of the gambling and thievery in the North Boston neighborhood of Charlestown. And though they were mostly peaceful with some Avila based rivals, the Winter Hill gang it didn't necessarily mean they like them. George was known as allowed drunk who loved to get rowdy at the bar and on Labor Day weekend he decided to grope a woman's breast as it turns out that woman was the wife of an associate of the winter. Hill. Gang the associate and his friends Corner George and beat him senseless George ended up in the hospital in retaliation George's brother Bernie sent some of his own associates to plant a bomb in a winter hill gang members car. However they were discovered and chased away before the bomb could be set a short time later. Bernie was murdered for the attempted. The drawn out saga opened the door for Boston's underworld to explode into six years of chaos. The Boston Irish Gang War was one of the bloodiest periods of underworld violence in United States history. By the time, the war came to an end in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, seven, more than sixty were dead including who of the McLaughlin brothers? George, the original instigator was found guilty of first degree murder in nineteen, sixty five and would ultimately receive a life sentence. When the dust and bullets had settled much of Boston's criminal leadership was either behind bars or six feet under. And while the Winter Hill, gang ultimately won the war, the carnage allowed the surviving smaller gangs to lay claim to various territories around the neighborhood. One of those Games was a group known as the Kaleen brothers and when white he met them shortly after his release from prison. Found that he couldn't resist the coal to return to a life of crime no matter how hard he tried. When we return with the help of an old friend whites, he rejoins the criminal underworld and becomes the boss of all of Southie. This. 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So when you WanNa, bring your idea to everyone remember go daddy is here to help you make it happen with websites, marketing tools and guidance for free. LEARN MORE AT GO DADDY DOT com. Now back to the story. In March of nineteen, sixty, five, thirty, five year old James Whitey Bolger was released from prison after serving nine years for bank robbery. When he returned to South Boston the neighborhood was in the midst of a brutal and costly gang war. But whites he had sworn off getting involved or getting mixed up with crime period. Unfortunately, fate knew just how to tempt his resolve whites. He genuinely intended not to return to crime. He worked several odd jobs some quiet with the help of his younger brother Billy. But after a of grinding away for little payoff, he barely made enough to get by each week that feeling of wanting more returned. Soon he began to revisit his old haunts hanging around with southeast notorious wise guys at least those who had survived the violence of the Gangwar. It wasn't a plunge back into a full-fledged life of crime but Whitey he was certainly dabbling and soon in late nineteen, sixty, six things took a fateful turn. While hanging around the transit cafe, he meant the Kaleen. Brothers. Donnie and Kenny. Kaleen were two of the biggest gangsters in South Boston. There they ran profitable gambling and loansharking businesses. Most of their clients were longshoremen and factory workers on the harbor. The Irish gang war of the early sixties had paved the way for them to become one of the top gangs in Southie. But not without a cost, it depleted their ranks of men they needed new muscle despite being out of the criminal scene. For a decade, why do he still had a fierce reputation in Southie to the colleen's the hardened convict seemed like the perfect fit? They asked him if he wanted to be an enforcer without giving it a second thought Whitey agreed it isn't entirely clear why Whitey agreed to become a murderer. This was after all a serious escalation from bank robbing in all. Likelihood he knew that if he wanted to make something of himself, it would mean getting his hands bloody. What is clear though was that Whitey needed to be taught how to successfully pull off routine murders and not long after he joined the colleen's Whitey was paired with a man who would mentor him in the art of killing Billy O'Sullivan Sullivan was an. Ex Marine and lethal with a gun. He was infamous his ruthlessness Whitey had most likely never killed anyone before and he was obviously unsettled by it. However, a key and O'Sullivan became friends and feeling more reassured white. He proved to be a fast learner which was a good thing because another gang war broke out in South Boston in July of Nineteen, sixty nine. The Irish were nothing like the Italians instead of being meticulously or nuys with a rigid ethnicity based criminal structure the Irish. Looser a network of affiliated gang sue primarily focused on small time crime. They fought with one another just as often as they work together in the wake of the Irish Gang War, the colleen's had managed to maneuver themselves into a position of supremacy. This hierarchy meant that a smaller gang known as the mullins had to defer to them and the mullins hit it for a time. The CA- leans and mullins put their differences aside and work together. But the animosity remained South Boston was always a powder keg waiting for a spark. And in the summer of Nineteen sixty-nine that spock was named Mickey Dwyer. At the transit cafe well known to be the domain of the CA- Leans Mullen Associate Mickey, Dwyer decided for whatever reason that it was high time to complain about the colleen's in a colleen dominated Barna less as it turns out Kenny. Colleen was at the bar that day and wasn't too thrilled about Dwyer's unnecessary jabs. So he tackled Wyatt to the floor and in the ensuing tussle shot in the arm and bit off part of his nose in a split second, the keg had sparked. The mullins had been looking for an excuse to go to war for a long time, and now they finally had it. Fortunately, the colleen's had two of the most notorious Hitman in town billy O'Sullivan and now thirty, nine year old Whitey Bolger it's widely believed. That it was during this war when whites he committed his first murder according to one of Whitey's later associates he was soon tasked with killing a mullen boss named Paul macgonagall. Unfortunately, Whitey Bentley shot Paul's brother instead who had no involvement in the gang war when he told O'Sullivan about the mix up O'Sullivan told him not to worry about it. So despite feeling guilty Whitey apparently shrugged the wrongful death off he went back to work. But by Nineteen seventy-one, the war started to turn against the colleen's. In March that year O'Sullivan himself was killed ambushed in front of his own house. At the time wife's He was in New York visiting an old friend from prison Whitey was sobered by O'Sullivan's death not only was his friend and mentor gone but the ambush drove home that he could be next. Paranoid perhaps rightfully. So why do you began taking extra precautions as he moved throughout the city? He even bought the nicest suit. He could afford and hung his then girlfriend's closet in the event he was gunned down he at least have one. Nice. To, be buried in one without any bullet holes in it more than anything. OSCEOLA death made Whitey reconsider working for the Killeen's. was there a point to putting his life on the line in their fruitless war especially if he might not live to see the Prophets There needed to be a change in South Boston and that could only come with an end to the gang war on May thirteenth nine thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, two, Donnie Kaleen left his sons fourth birthday party to grab something from his car. When he stepped outside to men appeared and shot. Donny. Fifteen times allegedly whitey orchestrated the hit himself as the story went he knew the CA- leans days were numbered. So he double crossed them. He entered a secret alliance with the mullins positioning himself to take out his old boss. Though the mullins denied the rumour and took sole credit for the murder events from the following week seemed to suggest otherwise it looked like a big power grab for Whitey. According to some sources whites, he secretly approached Howie winter the leader of the Winter Hill gang to broker a peace agreement. He pitched himself as acting boss of the cleans even though the gangs leadership might have been expected to pass down to Donny's brother Kenny Howie, who is friendly with the mullins agreed to arbitrate a truce with whitey acting as the KALEEN leader for forty two year old Whitey Bolger. This was a moment with great potential. If he played his cards, right he could stay the leader of the colleen's or maybe if he was lucky get something even better. But during that mid morning, sit down how he winter had other plans. He managed to convince both sides that they could make more money working together as part of the winter, Hill Gang Whitey and the mullins eventually agreed to collaborate under how he winter. But there was one caveat Kenny Colleen wouldn't be part of the organization by one account not long after the truce Kenny Colleen was on his balcony on Dorchester Bay when a sniper shot nearly killed him. Another story which has often been disputed suggests that a few days later Whitey took a less deadly but still clear approach he drove up next to Kenny who was walking down the street and allegedly yelled it's over you're out of business no warnings whatever the actual circumstances surrounding his decision were Kenny finally the hint and left the Irish. Underworld. Howie winter was impressed with how Whitey helped resolve the gang war alongside handling the CA- leans as a reward. He appointed Whitey as leader of all the Winter Hill Gang Southie operations. If orchestrating the killing of his former boss Danni had been Whitey's big gamble. Then the bet paid off in less than a decade, Whitey Bulger had gone from Cohn working menial jobs to essentially the boss of all, south. Boston. Sure, he technically to Howie winter, but his position of power was undeniable. In the three years that followed Whitey ran all of the racketeering and loansharking in Southie and he did it all with the help of his right hand man Stevie the rifleman Flamy Fleming Asunto. Italian immigrants was a mobster from Boston's Roxbury neighborhood and he was known for being a deadly accurate sniper. However given his background he proved even more helpful when it came to relations with the Italian Mafia. In fact, Flamy was personal friends with New England's Mafia boss Raymond. LS PATRIARCA. It was a unique position to be in few could straddle the two dominant underworld organizations. However, Fleming had even more protection than just good relations with the Irish and the Italians, he was also an FBI informant. The bureau had a national mandate to take down the Cosa Nostra. It was worth it for them to look the other way on Fleming's criminal behavior. If he gave them information on the Italians sources differ as to whether or not Whitey was aware of flame. He's role as a rat. It's possible that he knew and saw it as an advantage over the Italians. After all for three years, the Irish Italian relationship was relatively peaceful. But in one thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, five tensions were beginning to rise. The current trouble with the Italians arose over vending machines accompany had been paying the Mafia fifty thousand dollars a month for a monopoly in all the bars in Boston Whitey in the Winter Hill gang realized there was a lot of money to be made in the machines. They decided that in their parts of town, they should be the ones who controlled the machines. The Mafia obviously didn't agree rumors of a war began to circulate throughout Boston putting Whitey on edge. Once he wasn't certain that the Winter Hill Gang could come out on top were still the mafia's current lead. It was known for using his police contacts to arrest criminals who wouldn't fall in line if Whitey didn't know Fleming was talking to the feds having police contacts with then proved to be a big advantage for the Italians, Whitey and the Winter Hill gang would be sitting ducks if a war broke out, they needed someone on their side. And to John? Connolly. The boy wants he bought ice cream for back in nineteen forty eight. By now, the thirty five, zero connelly was an up and coming FBI agents. In the Organized Crime Division he knew that the Winter Hill Gang was close to blows with the New England Mafia and he knew they were outgunned connelly came up with a daring idea. He figured the time was ripe to make a deal with the Irish mobsters for one. The Italian mafia was the white whale for the feds in comparison Irish street gangs were small. Time Fish for the FBI secondly connolly puzzling new the bulge family. He was friends with Billy Bolger who by now was a state senator and figured he could use their southie history to Lou Whitey in as an informant it was a win win deal the FBI wanted to take down the Italian mafia and the Winter Hill gang needed to offset the mafia's crooked cops sometime in mid nineteen seventy-five connolly got were to white t he wanted to meet. Whitey. was interested but equally wary meeting with the FBI dangerous especially if someone saw it. Though Whitey had no problem routing out his enemies, he knew that even being suspected of informing was a death sentence in Southie, but ultimately Whitey agreed to meet with connolly at least a hey, what his neighborhood brother had to say. On September Eighteenth Nineteen seventy-five Whitey and connelly met at Walston beach in suburban Quincy. Both men were on edge unsure if it was a waste of time or some kind of trap Connolly started off his pitch slowly. He told Whitey he'd heard the mafia was already leaking information about why t to the police in an effort to get him arrested. Hearing this from an FBI agent spooked. Whitey. He told Connolly what if three cop stopped me at night and say there was a machine gun in my car who is a judge going to believe me or the three cops for his part connolly saw this as his moment to sell. He Ost Whitey. Why don't you use us to do what they're doing to you? Fight fire with fire hearing. Connolly's pitch phrased like this appeal to Whitey in his mind he wasn't a rat but a strategist, it was the smart move to work with the feds. However whitey needed some time to think it over just to be sure. Two weeks later, Whitey officially agreed to work with Connolly. But there were a few conditions he wouldn't hurt any of his associates. He would only consult connelly about the New England mob and he would never rat on the Irish Republican Army. The final request confused Connolly he had never once asked, why do you about the IRA? Turns out Whitey was a devout Irish Republican. He had been making secret plans to send weapons to his Irish brothers in their fight against the British he didn't want the FBI derailing his future plans. Connolly figured he could deal with these terms for the time being and the bargain was struck as they shook hands warranty famously said. Deal me in. If, they want to play checkers we'll play chess whites he was referring to the mafia, but his words could have been directed at the FBI to. The feds thought they could control ninety. But in a few short years, Y T would become the one telling them what to do, and with that handshake Whitey knew he could act with total impunity. He would use his relationship with connelly to take over the Boston underworld rake in millions. And Kill anyone who got in his way Thanks for listening kingpins join US next week to find out how Whitey Bolger used his FBI contacts to dominates the Boston criminal underworld and how his confidence in the agency ultimately caused his downfall amongst the many sources we used we found Whitey Bolger America's most wanted gangster and the manhunt that brought him to justice. By Kevin Cullen Shelley Murphy to be particularly helpful you can find more episodes of kingpins and all other Paul cost originals. For Free on spotify, not only to spotify already have all of your favorite music. But now spotify making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like kingpins full free from your phone desktop all small speaker to stream kingpin spotify just open the APP and type kingpins in the search bar and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see next time. 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AP One Minute Headlines Oct 30 2018 14:00 (EDT)

AP Radio News

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AP One Minute Headlines Oct 30 2018 14:00 (EDT)

"Bolger's death. I'm Ed Donahue with an AP news minute. Boston gangster James Whitey Bulger has died at a prison in West Virginia. He was eighty nine Bolger rule south Boston alleged are people, you know, growing up. He's cool. He's he's I, but Tommy Donahue had a different view scumbag, actually is what he is. He's a mass murderer and he's a destroyer of family Bolger is alleged to kill Donahue's father Whitey Bolger led the mob in south Boston and also became an FBI informant. He was on the run since one thousand nine hundred four but was apprehended sixteen years later, Sean mcgonagall recalled it Bolger sentencing a call he received when he was twelve years old. We just call my house Christmas time and said, you guys aren't coming home. And ask was you said it was soon James Whitey Bolger was the model for Jack Nicholson's ruthless crime boss in the two thousand six Martin Scorsese movie. The departed Bolger had just been transferred to the West Virginia prison and was declared dead shortly after his arrival, I'm Ed Donahue.

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2000 & 1000 Guineas and Punchestown Festival Reviews

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2000 & 1000 Guineas and Punchestown Festival Reviews

"The final on podcast is proudly brought to you by toews bet with support racing in the uk and ireland invading. If you were betting on told plus you must be extremely happy with yourself and after the weekend getting ten percent extra on top of your winnings especially if you were on the winner of the two thousand guineas. We should talk about in the company of racing. Tv's just stafford. Welcome back to the show. Just how are you thank. You always a pleasure. I'm very wealthy Good it'll be good to have your experts bloodstock analysis as well as national hunt analysis as well here for this show because we're talking obviously the first classics of the season but also jumps as well and we will also do so in the company of a racing writer racing broadcaster racing producer. Who made a winning debut to the final furlong podcast. Just last week. Lucy russell us or combined to the show mitts. Yes matt nice to be back on. The best will win. It only took two years after we worked together. It to get you on and then we want straightaway. So it's like bosses well done you longtime but well well great great debut Surround prec was impressive. Will talk about him but first of all were around town. I live very close to jim. Bulger's yard that mcsweeney and poetic flare both very very exciting world order on such to leak that this could be the best horse that jim bolger's ever trained. That news didn't get to me in time on force fortunate now because of bloody culverts. But anyway claire wins. The thousand guineas supplements by Jim bolger data in itself jess was a bit of a give away the fact that he supplements that the source when he also had maxine a gym bulges not afraid to races horses regularly. This source could easily head to france next and then to the kara. How impressed with the performance and to be fair to the performance of master the sees as well because if kevin mounting doesn't get politic flares head down lally and at the right time then we're talking about master of the seas is the two thousand guineas winner. Yes absolutely a true edge into the game. Both jimbo j on kevin. I think it was. Kevin mountings ride. That won this race in the end. It was a fascinating. Two thousand guineas coming into it. Wide open we didn't have a obese. Standout juvenile we did. No ceo penetrate A behind ten on it was because of the diffraction nature the season. The two year olds were varied may be that they were some of minimal slightly backwards Principles in that campaigns but it was actually a really open. Failed to this guineas mosser. The season proved himself a couple of weeks. Full at newmarket in william buick opted to right-hander one britta that obviously was the right decision in the end. Poetic flag showed outlet style that he was a really big forced to contend with and nice woman in the guineas trial he be eighteen to one show or jesse harrington's of kuei Needed a couple question marks coming into this race because of his bit of a a bit of a flock at newmarket in juhasz Ground lucky came into the race. The guineas on saturday sixteen to one show. How was that price. Considering his connections considering his breeding nine is a two thousand guinea win himself and algebra Amount who in thought konica was a damn side with by records bullets while there were nice. It a breeding nights Intensities potential. But i think because he had Market and you will necessarily confirmed to confound that you would on the track and he hadn't yet step two mile the Definitely reasons to think. Elsewhere that i do think as said kevin pined his ride. I cannot make a monster of the siege came became out of. I think it was still to play out outs for unoccupied vega out three. They will race down at ball side. Which is why you need to be in the end and that will About to go with anyone's race kevin mahaney was still quite tracking behind the pace Who was the good open crown. you've Still a long way out and it was mall should the sees. Who's getting a day night whilst poetic lab is still just sort of edging in behind on when the Down kenani having given coast. It's that day. Light on t just to to just go that get you know while most the seed might just like. It'd be an idling in front. It is interesting to see that from the reports that most of the season lucky bego able to go quite go paul poetic flower off the line so it was incredibly close. It was a really in his. Take nothing away from the winner. I do think most of the seeds is potentially probably could go on and win more great ones. I think rustic flat while he goes next. They took they took. They want opting jumping into any a big big next targets. He's not entered in adobe he's actually go to a quite unusual entries including the commonwealth com I'm saying j. james's palestate. Snubs ers guinea swelled. So lots of options will him. I do think monster could go on. And hopefully he does. He has dante entry and that could be why he goes next. Look there's lots of questions to still may not Were fuels is behind that. I just want to make quick note. But i think a Drool had a big part to play in this race and it didn't get as well Mother came out stool to safran beach. Tents you gotta bring it race in february val full so it paid to be on that side She was in the two thousand guineas on alcohol. Free will come onto Both came from the widest drawers of civil a made up a lot of ground on his stand side finish. Why did really impressed by how chinda did. Considering the trainer was a hundred percent confident track which state teaching two out of the race do one lunar he might have wanted wanted more little softer condoning conditions than he goes on to. Because it was a very quick guineas Half i think it was just no was on record the false skinny little time. This was not too far behind it. So yeah a lot to take out from that again. Hats off to a fantastic team. In bojan kevin running down again thankfully we mentioned poetic flair in a very positive way. Lucy because rory is an absolute genius and that's one of the reasons a love oregon with them and each summer record with them. I feel like i've come away have learned something new or something else and we're always learning about racing and if you're not willing something's wrong with you hope that's what you get out of this podcast. I hope that that is something that you like about this show He's done the business for his again. Lending the seventy two one. Which i was able to get gravy with naval crown grabbing the each way scumbag bedford. Thank you very much. Delara gate naval crown. Happy days and and to be fair did so comfortably in the end we were leading the cigars and burning money and just throwing stuff. All the champagne was flowing As a as declared mustard the sees battle today we were more interested in. Who's finishing fourth. But roy coming on. I wouldn't want to be drawing low and the remarkable thing is what jess said that. It's four to three in the two thousand guineas your impression of the droll. how put flair beat master. The sees and what you think he will do. And also the ballydoyle horses and will include joseph o'brien in that because that did not work at all and the market move for battleground was quite significant. Particularly when it's about the these are always significant moves. So what was your takeaway from the two thousand guineas lucy. Yeah takes away trust Salted rory as you say selecting name crown of massive price performance can be really upgraded because may virtual the running in the two thousand guineas on saturday. It will calm pressing seems neat because so often we have the bryant Often we have a neighbor. Ryan front runner. Hey snake This time it seeming was the cia be saved. It would really implying some fascinating tactics. If nato crimes setting a good pace oversee master diseases able to finish up Position better the nato crimes finish jackson so um fascinating tactics from that point as we said we will. We were saying Meet the high end. Joel would be better. But that oversee was the results of Guinea gravitates tools that fall sides. That was the way the that was the running of the race and too many hot stories that i think as just mentioned poetic really seemed to like that that running in in amongst the the he seemed to really so radish that loophole surrounded being that talk and then come forward and run for nine and a lot of speed as well because Poetic traffic is winner. Far federal the two year old so obviously have plenty of state and Think speed is of the essence in two thousand guineas. Assyria lucky vegas passing. It said son of late. Vegas lol speed in that pedigree as well. Yeah think master deceased Could be upgraded answered canadian crime based talk you. London suffering that phone system very rarely upgraded a really tough nation. That started running which i really liked. I think nato crimes actually beating the seasons. Well other other nazis not Thanks to really fascinating actually similar that of often campaign against each other said the new brian holes is really hard to make to make. That runs to went favor in the end Tool team down. Beth thing then a money came to him any. He ended up favorite for the race. He was he was very in the early running the race. Fox brown within jesse seem to fade out. He's always trumping. Loves the undulations. Traffic new mov kit as we said he's such a big battleground Yes there will be run definitely upgrades that forms but take nothing away from the window Outstanding trade informants mr bolger. We've seen in wooden Categorizes tom tom again. Definitely announced. Start me before from his coat. A the oldest trainer to win the race which Not sure as relevant quite frankly but it's one for the record books Jim bolger seventy-nine and I know his daughter is becoming more and more involved. What jim is showing no signs of stopping. And i'm pretty certain that if the three of us were to go and interview he would challenge this to press ups straight away thing. Is that if you do. If you do take on that challenge we do press ups the normal way you know a body fully laid out and you're pushing yourself up. Jim then does it with his knees on the ground and then starts to do it and what he often does is some young fellow or or young last several item Will join the art. And sarah fuel can beat me and pushups and give you the weekend off. If you don't dan you have to work. The next four weekends and sarah took him on thinking i can beat him. She does a hundred and The proper way and goes right. There you go. There's the benchmark and then he does it with his knees on the ground and of course just goes hundred and one. Easy peasy has four weekend. Sarah thanks very much. He is a character roscoe and a genius absolute genius. When you think of tony. Mccoy and edna o'brien to name just to pull carberry There are so many graduates from jim. Bolger who have gone on to huge success to say nothing of the breeding in the breeding is very interesting because don't approach godolphin castoff. Don't approach is now with jim. Bolger stowed and the fee if you are in interested in sending your mayor to redmond's town steroid in his native is native wexford private so have guess basically at how much you're gonna pay for don't approach. He's really done a whole lot in terms of his His best performance mad moon would have been his best today but this is obviously a horses surpassed that out of iraq gibraltar mayor. His other horse mcsweeney. Who will see soon. I presume in the dante or the earns town style darby and it's almost certainly going to be the dern stone where he will face off with high definition. He's really interesting since that. He's he's gosh. leo new approach on both sides. there's also the story which has not really been talked about. Which is that godolphin. Have no horses with jim bolger. This season they've had horses with jim bolger for many seasons but now this sun and whether that was godolphin decision or jim bolger saying no is not something public record. But it is intriguing. That could often do not have any horses at jim. Bolger's yard the trip to new market. So he won the first race of the season and then that was it. He was out of he. Jim described on. Nick looks podcast. How he basically started to just grow into himself as a bit of a baby The trip to new market was probably invaluable in the end just because he did get the experience of traveling to new market. He got the experience of running on the undulation grounds. And yeah he was beaten eight eight and a quarter lengths but he then comes out and wins a very important prize in the kilovolt stakes which tends to go to smart horses. So the planning of jim bolger just has to be applauded. The breeding aspect of things The fact that all of these sources are owned by his wife so there's the bloodstock aspect of it does the ownership aspect of it that planning and the training of this horses while and supplementing him to win the races case of love it when applying to come together and jim bolger is done that beautifully. Absolutely it's wrong to the breeding pierce ready. Because he had. I think jimbo does never given up on. Don't approach on his took. The dominantly also went to approach so don't approach Flab new approach produced glamorous approach was who was also a tight successful. ma has felt so the family's done really well and This as said is definitely divided into bit bigger on a three year old. I think after his final win next on back ended the season Said how much the big rule says and they had to give him time in between a longtime in between Racist obviously we depend on make which prevented any system running anyway but break Good you want on the twenty third of may. I'm ozzy was saying overflying So a lot of speed even that was Very soft ground an a. dot bottles are the two days later and he needed that time On that was that was a bit of a for whatever reason came back. And i think it's just being a bit of growing pains Given as much time as possible and has been in is about a three year old alone. These tools says we talked abundant. It is a case of. What are they gonna do. three should should themselves to to great effect to still is within with pinatubo last year would this majestic two year old son into about a three year old. But you've got to give them time. They didn't agree said Loss on its rewarded Bucket leads amend they're all the likes of marsh disease naval crown who've gone may don anyone in the season to try and sort of give him a good pipe now to to to begin on the season and the two uses infected had a racing experience this season whereas then coming in Old joel about iran. So look i just say for. Lots of reasons result fend for breeding. I was like As you say based on the she's not hard by any means a spectacular obse A career career at stud down sound the thought but he's moved from one the other he hasn't had as a madman who had was so lucky. I in his dhabi But is now it started himself. Wavering trotz stunning catoon hope grind You could turn out. We'll see how he runs out but it. It is very important for the next generation on at imagine. He's been standings cutters Who come knocking now. But it looks like that relationships not as it was. That's ice cold thing. That's gone icicles. It seems that it's very. It's very interesting where it's look his. He needs proven. I think is remarkable training performance and meeting between the lines. They they had him in deductible wealth Just in case you didn't stay this trip. He stayed it. But i think I'm not convinced if he won't smoke that that will. It will be fascinating to see if they will. I'd love to see them. Nine up again Guinea because i would imagine i didn't what you guys think. That could be a different. That might be a bit of a different result. Possibly i love to see lucky bay running again. He was coming in rushing on a cracker. He proved that he's as good of a three year. Old is to a not. He can stay the trick Whereas the knights have fund moon is a big question. Mark around in now I was always a bit concern not often as have always tended as good as three year olds is a tube that was quickly thrown off. Jeff not a good way on sunday. So it's fascinating this time of season saying how the material is on just on. I just think it's no. It's not made less straightforward going Into shopping next. Because i do think that a massive standout in terms of any of the win. I don't think he's necessarily going to. I'd like to hope he will. But i think that that could be a different result. Should they will meet again. So put clear. Must've the sees both at the benefit of runs muster. The season had obviously race in dubai and had then come out and one new marcus. So he had to runs behind this bells. Put eclair had the the great win at leopardstown jewish Jessica seven furlongs in the are two thousand guineas trial. The o'brien horses didn't have the benefit of iran and the money for battleground has to be significant. It can't not be I'm far more interested on day of race. Money than i am anti post money which will come to an second I'm very very intrigued. To see how he does. Next time out and the curragh is going to be fascinating. I just wonder if jim bolger will be tempted to take in the french. Two thousand guineas as well because he he did that with the philly kush. Kyra was it. No it wasn't is that exactly mcsweeney going maquis chiaroscuro. I really hope mexican when he does not go to the french news. I hope he goes to the darrynton. Now if they if jim bolger decides french two guineas then i'm not gonna argue with them because he'll forget about racing than other for no but to me. I think the logic seems to be maxine. He's darby horse. He's the one the unleashing the darby and poetic flares very much. There monitor bought the rematches between him and master. The sees is going to be fascinating. It's also going to be fascinating to see what happens with saint mark's basilica because we haven't seen him yet and what happens with battleground. Wembley maybe Van gogh lucy. You had the note that too slow to win the two thousand guineas but could win the darby which is basically exactly. What exactly what happened. And exactly what aidan. O'brien said afterwards that he will go straight to the darby. Yeah i'm still with that. As well is run he's run On assessing care On heavy ground. Wasn't he lost year roach outside vermont. Trump's that's probably why put schlegel because he is a winner on heavy browns main isn't it but Agreeing that running in the two thousand guineas. Just you even have an injection speeds. He looks very very pace. The whole way and i think he finished finished Navarro he just stayed on saint pace Didn't he got away boxes. Brown wolves trumpeting true to guinea but fades out avenue. Awry be because he's on the side. We get commuted not at night but when believes in the mix of the path in just found nothing and similar to well drag off on the fosse. I'm just stayed on that one pace. So yes i still think he could be. Adobe be governor. I wouldn't be surprised if he's going to be a big player in that race I think he's wants to definitely keep on side. We're not apparently we're not going to see him again until the darby is no issue with that i think it significant improvement will will come or at least very much hope. That significant improvement will going to go. It's needed but the darby's very much up in the air we've split basically a no idea about that racist Tomorrow we are recording our chester preview. Which tows are heavily involved in in terms of sponsorship so which is fantastic including sponsoring the the chester cup soap. The should say So aidan o'brien is unleashing some horses there and we had the ernst coming pretty soon as well so hopefully. We'll we'll have a better picture of what the going to look like in terms of the modeling division. This season just mentioned the same politics Put eclair is favourite for that race and Significantly shorter than mustard the seas which should be said. Look vega is run a seven to one shot And then you talking about saint mark's basilica the missing piece from this puzzle. A twelve to one but i wonder with master the season put it flare having the benefit of iran. Is it possible that something from ballydoyle. We'll just improve. Because my i was very much drawn to battleground as well. I was glued to van gogh. And suddenly i just went. Went wandering over to frankie. I couldn't ask Before then wandering over to the white and purposes of of jackie buzzer fascinating race. And i think just made a very interesting point. They could end up beating each other when the irish two thousand guineas rolls around. But don't be surprised if the winner ends up headings affronts He did it before. And can you tweet me the name of the philly that he did that with. I'm trying to remember. Chew in the one thousand guineas she the french one thousand guineas and then she was knotted on the line. In the irish one thousand guineas it would have been some trouble. The the phillies equivalent goes to a new brian. And frankie dettori would mother earth but not with the anti booze favorites santa barbara so i hated the price. Santa barbara was and we warned you. She drifted like a bar. Joan the day bookmakers didn't really they were trying to open the satchels and try and get as much cash as they possibly could in which wasn't a good sign jess five to four for the one thousand guineas in the back of a maiden win aiden. O'brien himself said on the show that it would take something special for to going win. This race I think that she has in my view. On this was the defeat in the guineas does not preclude her from winning the oaks eyeing. She's enhanced her credentials and on those undulations. She'll have learned a lot. going forward. thinks you also improved for the step up trip. But yeah just to deal with santa barbara first of all because there was so much. Talk about her and enter pedigree. Do you feel that. She's or will improve going up and trip issue that you would trust to carry them. The mantle of oaks favored as she is really at race. Second time involved gang and the price may be reaction to me that she did have a drift a bit. The reaction be doable. Did run below paul. The day before a by the Was second round. It was quite unusual. I'd i'd i would try to look through policies to see any winner. The one thousand two thousand guineas coming into the back of one of one run in one win. It would have been a fantastic training performance. Vicky neighbor pulled it off. She got very close. You've definitely allowed to be quite green. On having softener unraced like new market and beaten by phillies ahead of her. That had heap Experience being of the world you end season nausea at keeneland and she was kind of forgotten in the mall market really Guess looking at were pedigrees suspected unlike a green desert line but does often yemen. It was consulted me slightly. See how she would train on We've seen phillies by softening Lights about being. You haven't turned into his three year olds. But go back to santa barbara. She has Hundred percent highlights Will credentials. I think about a new. Brian mentioned not quickly off towards that we've not from her On a quote him he said we felt day by coming here Not to she would three runs but it was a risk doing it. She's classy not today so easily full on i think he he's about all the but i'm sure that must be mom is comments about that. Full hand that this was very much a bit of a task To see how she would do. I'm not surprised she went a bit uneasy in the market. All the money alcohol-free she is going to be hard not story but if a whole suit perhaps would have run a different race. Had she'd been given a more favorable drool it could have been interesting is the andrew building would probably say the same She didn't a slight unbalanced coming down into the debt. She ran a brilliant race in. There was another guineas that was wide open. I think that's what we said. Concentrate was anyone's rights to have Mother pulled out plenty at nine She was a very precocious two year. Old She ram plenty of times. Said and i think maybe her experience has a paid head behind after reach brilliant race to Perhaps going looking for something like going ahead Being by new bay by devante on she's beautiful pedigree of the ravens pause. And i think that jane behind on a fantastic job with her again. She's not ron huge amount of really competitive mother that she stepped forward massively from her second second-placed after behind sacred lost time. And i'll be really looking forward saying what she goes next. I completely agree with you. And i think she's going to be a big player. You made a very interesting point on on your debut lucy You referenced hermosa. Who actually was wasn't thinking of and the amount of experience that she had gained and and going on international trips and winning first timers and we both said on the show that much prefer tobacco mother earth than back santa barbara so hopefully followed his in. Hopefully you did Although frankie was absolute gold a mother earth and there's a reason why badly daughter are using him whenever they can get them. And not to take anything. From from roy moore but i felt that santa barbara run a cracking race but mother earth. Put the the focus on her renown. Give her dupree's she's clearly strengthened up and all of that experience that she gained juvenile including running in the phillies mile stood her in massive stead. And she's taken a step forward this season. Yeah say history between south solving a time winning a very similar profile to mother that by embarrassing the foster into the one thousand guineas again looking like the second-string baldo host of that needed him favor initials second-string team's fate and similar story from other us and a lot more experience under our belt madeira. She said move a compact Say and she she she. Lots more in is while when when he got his mother. Mother lot smaller in size inside barbara. She's really fake fifty fifty santa barbara. I just think ahead had quite high running from like just said whether shoes this cold cold out a little bit on the relations whereas santa barbara just rating knocked down as you say. Frank cues acid a gold on on on the way the mother Santa barbara just. yeah. I'm going to take him by. She looks incredible asset as specimen of a whole set. Aden said it has raised Stem she's a beautiful big soda. A big backside ready while put together a whole. The mother epilepsy as quick feet in lot. More compacts in old ossetia proved that proved ready. Well as the model new I think are just said the But in behind mothers definitely pay for with satphone beach on february by them already impressive Arriva she's she's a big stride in other youthful. They have headpiece on thursday. She's running cheap pizza on a knows Quite extraordinary ready to see that in one thousand eighty abe national hunt. I should have been should have been done on. headgear on yet birthdays From from beach in february but could be upgraded definitely Yet why the next with mother. Other kicker What is she ends. Up being the second-string again in the in the ocean santa barbara goes fatal for the navy taken by some forms but she may well crew does a slight out of the back my mind as well just about sense of arbor but i can understand why she's favored. I'm just. I'm looking around for something. To britain i for yeah. I think to to bullish. There is one rules that should have run into this race. Who should be favored the sue. I was big wish. You run because i think you'd have dot is snow luncheon on. I think that she will be. She's there are lot. Cities are like which we saw these interesting thinking about took about because she went on his brilliant trajectory and she warned three out three. She won irish english. Then she wanted runoffs good and then she kind of peaked it out. Didn't she another the other. Cities salted a mature around her nose. Maybe slightly slow to contend different stages. I do think We could see things coming but might not even be in this race on Taking a different route through that seasons snowed on could be one of them. Missed beginning reason. keeping Ice soom with that in mind being the oaks excites hob i don't think science should be ecstatic. Brits but i think that she has highlighted or have credentials to be a good. Okay candidate Body duels that was going to Have a very strong handed. Mr unease races and they basically said in domestic that this was a bit of an extra awful but achieves she's by by common out danehill they home ashes ob-c sensationally bridge with iridescent australian homily so they should go every reason to stay and get back to in time I i i considered. She's hundred seven favorite material We'll have to. We'll have to say. I wonder if she might run in. The race will not even two races with even coming into next off the back of two races. It's quite hard bit of Gauntlet pretty much. Go a a Race trucks out ballydoyle Taper off. there's no question she will be very very well preps but i'm sure they probably thought the same thing about the one thousand guineas and it didn't exactly work out to their favor. That's the problem. The the experience. On-track is is invaluable. And when you look at the oaks market. We had a horse run today as we're recording on monday queen's speech who i was fascinated to see bombed out Just didn't do it at all beautifully. Bread and i thought she might be interesting wasn't backing her but i was looking at her in terms of wonder. Could she be an oak. So we'll see nicest for denic o'brien who is out of on bush of this chiquita. The border of for five million. It was ridiculous. Isn't insane price that the paid for the six million six million euro. That's what they paid for her. And i think she might have run a couple of times for aden she she she She ran more than a couple of sean four Couldn't win and she was highly. Tried to be fair and They've they've censored to to start. So dunka has source buy american pharaoh out of this six million euro nicest and she's going to run a chester during the week so she could come along but there's nothing in the oaks market right now. That is threatening santa barbara. So she's coming there by default in terms of mother. Earth second favorite. She wouldn't get that trip horsebox surely not a chance. Yes a meat. Sorry yeah Possibly lie identified. Why why you think she necessarily has the reasons not to icon. Choose what you're gonna do with these now. What's this is what happened. I'll say recount Two thousand slightly different. You win guineas fail. It's a pretty good prepping now. Now as for dobbin for notes so the temptation is going to be back to where we make based on where seeming and we said this about Like this might be his option. The he was running a winning five thousand six two year old and they hopped commonwealth cup entry. Just in case you didn't. And they would think that he's probably his mother. I wouldn't It's a That she wouldn't day she's she's got she's got had. Most of my relatives only be tested over a mile. She said she thought. Desert ma It'd probably optimises is district. You have one one take it. She's heat entries Pretty polly she's go neither She's the app smokes. They must feel that she's got the potential to i bad he said after the race they said the irish guineas the her and santa barbara for the oaks on and look Skis she she'll pro. I'd say she be good on most route and then go to the coronation stakes. Just timing just with the timing of the races. You wouldn't want to do. But i remember last year actually worked out quite nicely that wilson able to give both ago Both the the dabi meeting races on the on one but it probably would excited that. She sticks got mild. You couldn't. I didn't think she might. She content that will stay stab at father in time. It was a big breakthrough Oversee we saw lost the beginning of the year but his vessels is being his best is running. I bet At a stretch. So yeah look we say. I i think. Fennell sound bubbas Folks contender of course. Yeah absolutely and don't be surprised if ruins in the one thousand guineas and then turns up in the oaks by the way. It's done that a few times just one. Yeah actually get one. The ones often remembered that ran well with fleeting. You remember the behind china these day tomorrow in the hall and then cheating on a couple of times again behind stock hatcher granada hall. Second in the irish oaks. I think she was so. Yeah i'm not gonna dismiss her. The could stay further. Doesn't have them said. I don't see it i just i just can't have it. I think irish went doesn't get these coronation stakes and then you possibly look at a pretty polly. Maybe maybe but. I think they'll keep her to a mile Just looks as though santa. barbara's descent at one. I can't find any philly that is Is cool more Inclines could potentially be an hoax when right now but if you have found one don't be afraid to share info tweet at foreign thought we'd be interested zone. Of course there are more owners than than google more. We're not just obsessed with them. That being said mogo vocal in longchamp merrill trellis was Was given it the whole. yeah could be an arc or whatever I was really disappointed. That mogul couldn't win this race. Lucy expected him to do so. We were speculating would be onboard. Crystal simion is one of the best jockeys in the world. In my opinion. I absolutely love the man But also love pierre charles budo once again he's shown just what a supervisory is Mogul i'm told was carrying plenty of condition. So if you are like me. And you're on the mogul bandwagon. And then there is hope on the basis of this run and the fact that we're not french. So bugger off. Goal trip and merrill stress d think mogul can win over ten furlongs and groupon company this season. Lucy ayso that run Say possibly not. Now we feel he didn't site It almost too while he looked like might be carrying victimless condition. I not have he had around. Hit made answer. That was in march coming into into that rice long show. Oc among to good soft ground he stem. I watched repairs. He followed the the leader Followed the wholesome The winner unable to cricket and the windows had Strongholds God with that final final pace up towards the nine so his wins see Previously america mama half at launch on that was that was great one in the grand prix. Power in any orsi wet in one shots in ramallah half. So you'd have to say a His performance She's now he's ends a model that he's got A entries vermont to mom half said. Hey nice maybe mason headgear them on all old sticking back at your some look injection Remounted got in the past. He's he's frustrations natives doesn't do enough for in my opinion Obscene in common was Last year you are in favour road lasko On his seasonal return last season road lasko Pace doesn't do enough for me. I'm not sure why in the middle bank come to see. I just no no no. Why why do. I think he on two hundred dollars Easier is no it is i. just. I think i've had way better in that time. I think he's he needed those first. Two runs. ussr was it something with that race. Ascoli he hadn't Identified him something else in. They handle their excuses anyway. That's fine oversee. The south china doll was all they could could could get the winner in. That was just the way it was. I thought race yesterday was tactically. I was just one of the most racist to all shy. Unsaleable only classic one for the other foot is the winner just pulled away It was just dull as ditch. It didn't give a you. Don't take anything Hats off to Padilla who turned to pass on. I think christmas steamy on how no-go opposition went using plenty of daylight. You've seen the full race factor. You'd probably choke Find wasn't no-show. In why he had plenty of cardi came through late. And that's how we should be ridden ridden by moore shelton as well. I think yesterday just didn't suit Around because he is a type of pool dot a needs pantyukhova. Bit of all. Don't want to say he's a little bit of a pig. And i think that he needs to be cajoled into racism He'll probably need these two months like he did not yet navy. We'll see him. Take up any of those engagements. He's off on the tampa karnataka's Which is fda as being a terrorist It's the only reason that race. The only reason that race has its group. Status is because ballydoyle of fired so much talent that race should be significantly downgraded. There's no way it should be group one yet so not not fun. that's fine. that's another great one off his list. But he's not he's no he's no hits me the knights of hainan rail on some of the greats that they've had in the post i just think may- maybe i'm wrong. I don't think that race relondo much about Much yesterday and i'd like to see him put up some just fighting performances and everything needs to be outright ahead on ron. Little pitch speedo. I've got it right. Rightful him in the past he doesn't tend to get his junkies out of trouble. Well the good news is that we will see his brother. Japan chester this over a mile and five as as he runs in the stakes. Which ain lebron's done well in in the past. I expect him to turn up in the tattersalls gold cup and then go. I think they're determined and convinced they can win a ten furlong group with them and they're gonna get us to crime or definitely and a trip to the horse psychologist as well because both of these two are they probably fight each other as siblings and now they're sisters in training as well so they're all party getting into into family squabbles. At ballydoyle i. They'll probably run them in the tattersalls go. He may very well win that again. I think you're right cover. But the i remain convinced that he can win the principles that he can. I think it's there for him to do. The talent is there. And i do think he can quicken up. Lucy i'll she'll defend his honor. That was massively disappointing Yeah all the question. He just he just looks. Liking these zanex hagi fbi on his best fulton. Basically every time to witty. Yeah he he he needs. He needs something. You need something a big time. The americans would probably he'd be bolting up in america for different reasons just in terms of the classics going forward. So who would you take out of the two thousand guineas for a group one win. This season jess sorry quantities question Through turn three. And i do group one. I'd love to see the chain run saint james palace stakes around abandoned or be really passage sam. If they if they go by with him. I think they will would've been really pleased by the way that he ran on saturday Considering the slight doubts about the truck on the train is done very Not race and i would really like to see how he could improve on that run on on the other. Is one ruler a night to see him in the dhabi but i think he might need it We haven't really spoken much about him in the fact that he was oversee coming into this fractured while another cuban thinki- yvonne fine. I think he at any holes needs a bit father head. They whether whether he will win a great whether you would win. Adobe i'm not entirely convinced obviously battlegrounds all day quantities of becoming a superstar being out to found. I have a little nagel about war fronts on whether they necessarily can train on and three year olds stunningly beautiful. He looks like a massive wolves. Probably needed that run But i might be able to take out chinda which we've seen already this season. It says compounded south is a proposal that i think he can improve from not run. That's a really interesting show for you. Lucy from both races group one this season. I'm still stick with my favorite. Thanks loss the best in the dhabi. Instate with it. Oh yeah he. He won't pay me vancouver and say he was a winner agrees great winners two year old. You're heavy ground. Said i think he just think he's His imagine she when the abbey thought otherwise screaming out to me. It's dhabi don golfing. He just have a while any dispute. One case in the two thousand guineas where i fakty brown trout while faded. Ocd golf came out. Best on on out about the runners in two thousand getting saigon me On the one thousand guineas album full other february that because he's found out informants for me. He was the case and she's really nice finishes to big long straw. He's very direct to be honest. He's got some really good form to the group to win last season. Chiro d- he then finished full at long Snap maha screen time. Unless you're stuck in traffic along so we know we don't live traces ally. Rae stuffing that. Reis irvy's Stephanie state from one thousand sancti who she can progress in Nick bradley had a wonderful weekend so yet let's take from the house. I'm gonna say that a think battleground should be trusted as long as the ground is good. I take on board. What just after to set of it warfronts not training on. But i would also put it to you. Miss stafford that air force blue is obviously fantastic. Example of the for for the the argument to be put forward But the declaration of war he did it all right from south and so two. Us navy flag And early police. So they can do it but it's just a matter of finding the right one and whether or not he has remains to be seen but the money the money like like they said in the wire if you follow the money that's when you'll get the real answers and the money that came from battleground late on i thought was was hugely significant so expect a much better performance On the weekend my birthday she doesn't guineas which of course i won't go to. Because of ridiculous restrictions in ireland As for the one thousand guineas the lazily probably the maiden lebron's santa barbara for the oakland. I'm still i'm still searching can't backer. I'm searching around for something else. I'm just waiting. Let's see chester weekend this week. I should say a normally saying this weekend instead. We're saying this week. So let's see chester this week and see how things go Just we only got you for a few minutes. So let's let's roll off straight away. Let's throw the notes completely running orders. Ghana window your highlights. From the punchestown festival. Luchino will go through them Day by day but for you so what was. What were the standout racist for you. Oh ohio the english dominant the irish in the punchestown gold cup of right just to be up -rageous enquiries that has to be serious most be a serious laurie. I'm show holiday In us to wall ana was going on. The government's convened a special meeting today especially on a committee. A committee is being set up so if a committee has been set up. You know there's going to be something some action ticket. You're going to have to take a hard look at your cells are for the for the english up late trion legal as many when. It's three the children who obesity highlights I do think that the ride side. David condon's obey was inspired from man who has no raw raw. He's not had many opportunities apprentice down against willie mullins. Was i think three in that race whether the news totally dominating a week so they would Settle knowing that they were going to be able to try. will make trickiest possible at least be pretty Narrowed and i'll be voting. Had every reason to win not doing handstands T didn't and i think the key pieces had rejuvenates Vote so delighted that they made that decision to go to the really left. The was timely of that. We had thought results off the The month of march and tower shaped out to be done the national as well. Just sexy right. Turn in tons is ending season the way the way that it did so obviously delighted all nichols calm and congratulations sedan. On the level. I am just so spoilt to be bold good syndicates. Racing with that was won't bujak Been on talking about syndicates. So i'm blue in the face whether it's Syndicates racing but jack has done a phenomenal job on the story of grungy is just one not eitan even know where to begin with. It's been sensational. And she's been a magnificent billy and made even sweeter approved ruby walsh the nine in out with him role he could not have to love no money in the bumper and And he couldn't be rude that he said she. You know the way she goes Slowly on vessel richest Thing that we had a royal. She was really good now. Even it wasn't even a win. Slight fluky schwinn. She traveled all over the rest of the field in a slightly probably quality quantity failed. But i think it proved that the race she eating champion bump at cheltenham she probably would have got closer jeannot not come from where she had. Which was quite aware of the on with super excited to ha- going novus huddling. Next year this void to on. She just proves that you want to get involved in race. it cost. Thank two hundred quaid on. I've not had to pay a penny sins on she's going to leper sound to tell men i own. She's going to punch us down on. She'd also prayed decent so brilliant result. I was thrilled for you up genuinely throat and again was saying. She's we get jack on the air like we get this guy on the show. So i'm gonna leave this in your hands and say that you plan the bloodstock special the syndicate special sorry we're doing a blitz special as well i'm getting mixed up and tell us just tell me when you wanna do it and we'll do it. We'll we'll make it happen john. It's a great guy. He's a brilliant guy. He's doing wonderful things assays subscribed at this stage but between grungy cabaret queen oversees the bust at the Who hosted by mls. India's racing on ending up fishing Coupla years under the under the ownership running ninth grade national surreal he. He's he's he's very providing Broadly rate saying who a a big flam peres good uses. you don't need to pay millions and millions that we talked about with the likes of mogul on the others to be paying their at the big table on. I think the stories Punchestown this week would he is the. Ob stand out but there was some really good stories of. Who'll says that don't need to see that don't need to groups of people putting faith Like stolen on and that was just surreal to see classical dream. That was the real sea. surprise but that will say my goodness brilliant one pounds outright. It is some feeling though being part of a syndicate and senior horse win and you might have the grand national ninth and Carry national winner as it was the national monster national issue on kerryon. Munster both knew the a reason both were in my head. She was a fantastic mayor. For you. and oversee off to the products in guangzhou. You could very well have the darah. Say don't run favourite for next season. Potentially maybe who knows. We'll have to wait and see but while you have grocery money. Add the two thousand guineas. Day wasn't all about jim bolger. There was another win for the town. Oh yeah nordic combined gone david racing by racing glove nordic combined bolts up by eight lengths at heck him and you should have if those video on me. I would be embarrassed I was roaring him home. And he's run to super racist prior to this and Deservedly gatti's win ferguson. absolutely brilliant Gave him a another fantastic right He's been on board. I think the last seventeen times But he he's last two runs. Were grace He was big prices and basically we at each way for him And davidson. Brilliant job to go in to win this and the updates that we get are fantastic and one of our listeners bought memberships at the david racing club for his son and for for his birthday and they sent it to him with the personalized message. From from david and the first joyner they had nordic combined and goes and wins and The first one that. I had one as well which is just a great feeling so there is. I could not recommend syndicates more. I honestly couldn't and it's something that the jets and i really needs to do a special on Really talk about because there's There's a lot there that we can discuss a lot. There's a lot lot the you need to be aware of. But there's also a lot to celebrate with them so I i was posing Bizarre that it was the night of the two thousand guineas in the kentucky derby and there's me celebrating win exum and going nuts and my was called little red line who had absolutely love and is now put away for the season with the rest for himself but It's it's fantastic to be a member of the club and to get the updates and i love syndicate ownership. It's just and i will definitely delve into that deeper a little bit later on down the line but for now just effort a pleasure as always from racing tv and i look forward to your company on the podcast again very very soon. Thank very much guys. Enjoy the rest and general Much as i would. Just thank you very much. Just your superstar and Take care chetty assume. So i will. We'll take it from here Echoes and rain was a very impressive winner of the champion novice hurdle over two miles She was odds-on. And i would have been very disappointed if she couldn't do it with the way that that race had fallen apart. A little bit. Disappointing that appreciate. It didn't turn up in any of the races particularly seeing as the Winner of the ballymore bobinger ended up coughing and missing his engagement. So it would have been fascinating but then again lucie. That would've taken away from gilliardi damasio. But we'll start with the william hill. Champion chase and paul. I was delighted with this result for two reasons. One i really like shack forcible and got to see him when a great one to this berries the notion that alejos a champion chase winner in the making. He's a ryanair horse. Leave him where he is. Do not run them in the champion chase next season. Thank you very much really straight. Wasn't it to see a wheel. He can do that just to see eaten slots before Was great we will not At the everyone was a bit deflated a massive that cheltenham in the championship race but he was obviously said behind the castle. will great man. She isn't arguably Coal she's she runs. Ready dot cools chaplain. she's a fascist aso occupancy. He was always up against it a bit of his first run at checkout room will that was a scratching of heads seat that tracks him to come Punches down overseas before enjoy Wasn't like you say. He he beds caught easily Spanaway said. I think charm personas performance punchestown style the upgraded mobile alabama was just a complete run. Where was the In the under Mall in the rinus checking persuade wakes for performance like that. He jumped low travel into he. Just yeah it was no match for the rest of the runner. Said it was willie. Mullins dominating the punchestown festival said no surprise that he did all right. Willie in the n. t. s. Get an okay week. It was wouldn't go crazy about it but it was. It was all right. You know. I guess Yeah as he's crowned as fifteenth time that he wins the official trainers championship for the week at punchestown absolutely insane amount of winter. A thing was it. Ninety seven winters in the end may as well have been Is essentially the willie mullins show. That's basically what it was. And look i understand why they were talking about the champion chase. Why will he does this. The the thing with willie. And i think that journalists really should be talking more about this or at least should learn now this point because it's the responsibility of journalists to pass on information that you get from the trainer to the public but william mullins often jost says what he's thinking in the moment and then he has time to reflect on us and he thinks about it and he goes actually no not going to do that and so the idea that who could be champion chaser was put to at a. That's cheltenham or i think he may have brought it up. Himself was probably just an idea in his head at the time. It doesn't necessarily mean that that's where the horse is going to go. Also lucent somebody who has written out high-class racehorses in work and and has worked in the racing industry in in both the industry and in broadcasting for a very long time despite your young age a she started. She started in racing when she was twelve. It's kind of true. Actually so alcohol winning the ryanair in the manner that he did was very very impressive. But that's over. Two five and there is significant difference between the distance of two five and two miles particularly attractive. Cheltenham in this. Rachel would have been writing alejo to to wind up that race knowing that she has the stamina because the did say three miles in the usa. Just it was just that they they eventually started to realize. This doesn't really get three miles. When he was beaten in the alexis several chase he reminds me of native open ship us fold between two stools. Not quite fast enough for the champion. Chase doesn't quite stay the gold cup trip. Therefore it's the reiner for native upmanship. He had to wait for the mailing at aintree. Each season The john durkan would have been a race from as well for this source. Aloe the ryan areas. he's race. That's that's how i see it. I also thought it was fascinating early on that because we talked about how they might cut their throats. Go throwing throats in front with andrew white and rory that these two liked to go and and make the running. I was convinced that and push what was going to try and dominate. Which of course would not play to rachel. Moore's liking because that's what allah who wants to do and it was interesting. How rachel moved up and disputed. Delete and paul went nope and just just seem to edge him that little bit faster was almost like he changed gear but only slightly just just ever so slightly upped. The tempo and rachel went to go with him again and eventually had to just relinquish that and accept the fact that she was going to have to chase and that did not suit at all. So does that make sense to you or talking. Absolute nonsense say bit a strange situation for our to taking chunks backer to mas we often will forget all the foreign the As a three mile winner as well waiting on to line up for the strange move. But when i settle you think oh in a star as we saw chiampou swells the make or the running but i think that ahead came back in. Pay up from halfway picked up the running Okay not a bit of a morbid tests. Tamna Faded out in chapman. per soi. He did we'll we'll be wanting to say Out backing trip. But maybe he was so taken by performance child models. Maybe he was as well so he may wants to see whether the speed and tomasz to to get two miles of us. Coalpit flatfooted. i'm safe. He's checking out half his day in some To see Checking push swells back Next season of the injury free and alaso be interesting to see whether he goes for another champion chase next seasonal. You over Unhelpfully is third place. Finish cheltenham this season. Just gone will stand him in. Good stead season relent. Lots of maine still On his own so he's any best on the scene. This season graded born in gray on racism. I just think everyone was delighted to see what he could do down. And just this week so the and in a proper great one as well. I like the way you said. As i said i'm is looking up suit nonsense. Yeah so as. You're absolutely bollocks that rachel and poll dynamic early in the race i thought was fascinating. And it's probably the key to check and winning the race as well in that he wasn't going to allow alejo to dominate the race but also didn't have the tactical speed early on so it took them a long time to realize. This was not a three idaho and that two more five is is really his trip. I really hope it just takes the one run to realize he's not a champion chase. He's not a to mother. So aim at these middle list at these intermediate trip races. And the reiner is at your mercy. Sense isn't Almost see the run t seasons ago right at cheltenham. Aguilar say thirty. Miles is behind trump dame renault. Tom just came from the clouds Flat footed so he two and a half miles team mile five days his optimism to see everybody just won't they just won't attuned model fremont Back tempt you chase when they want back gold cup credentials losses. But i'd be happy to team. Mile five senile. Four one win. It'd be absolutely delay. You told me of a ryanair chase when her tomorrow. Happy days and if that happens to be running in the david pipe racing clubs silks. That's even better exactly have happy. Days no can persuade. He'll be ten going for the champion chase next year but that's no barrier to him winning and he has the class through so i think i don't think he was cheltenham. That didn't suit him. I just think he was a little bit below par. They're not machines and horses can have off days but this was very much on day and He performed brilliantly. There's also another horse in the willie mullins yard. The could potentially be a big champion chase. Hope for willie and Dot mice diverse might divert. He's gays from alcohol being a champion chaser as folks isn't that we'll talk about him a little bit later on Before that korea was taking on envoy lon who ends up pulling up in the hasn't been perfect start to his new career within bromhead but to be fair. Things have happened very quickly. There and most of the attention was on with rachel. And taking over from jack kennedy and of and of course the viorica winner who will forever be known as into fishpond car this food. Food fish pond Finishing never get old fish. Finishing thirty should be number one in the to fool remix calvin harris abang at a june for. We'll get nikki. The nikki vocals fishpond fishbone Monkey didn't jump very cleanly in the say. Ironically he did hear you actually very well. But danny mullins and color ev. We're just mustard waterway water way to end your racing career on the track as you say. Yes is out now isn't she. She's in she's in follow is that can. She is actually coming from myron. Pass no background whole. She's insane if they are in fall. These better in my personal opinion that to handle that season's already soaked temperament holding them back here at least mask be launched as she say we'll always go out and she just flaws relentless wasn't she just did not give up in punchestown race he just jumps traveled. She wasn't surpassing Was was phenomenal. You states into a tunnel. Near as well as he'd be ellie mae ellie mae was osce the talk co scarring cheltenham. Not match right. She was three well. Fancy that may and Get pasta wool final furlan. podcast listeners. Did because we put up really. I wasn't shooting in. You missed out office after unity not rice. But she's proved us wrong Kobe we'll we'll she's disproved a strong again. She's saying we're not going to see her again. Yeah she's she. She's in full to walk in the park so that that is very much the the end of her of her racing career and look. It's going to be exciting. To see what what she produces and she. She owes her connections. Nothing she's been a fantastic mayor. She's been consistent and high class throughout her career Back in twenty. She took a great one. bumper beating. Abracadabra she She seemed to have a real affinity for limerick. Actually she won was it a maiden And then last season yeah she did yes. She won a maiden hurdle at at limerick on twenty seven december. two thousand nine hundred and then Last year she beats pencils lead in a race. Where along another horse will come onto and a few minutes Briefly by the way but We will touch on She got the better voice that i was absolutely adamant was going to win. That race pencils lead and i. We've only seen pencil full of lead. Wants since then. Put him in your tracker. That horse is gonna win a decent price. And he's going to do it at a nice price and the re-formed just back that up. He run a monstrous race. And at the time. I was disappointed. He'd been beaten by her because she really fall back that day. But the way the doney mullins just have clicked is Is quite something. And i'm delighted for danny as well. It's great for him. Another another big winner. He's obviously he missed out on the right at cheltenham. Although i don't think he cared that day because he'd won the stairs hurdles we look walking around with brass balls in In the waiting room should imagine put a and rightly so writings for server cheltenham winner in a championship race. But they were fantastic here and Punchestown means a lot to danny and spoke to him very briefly afterwards and he was delighted with the victory so we then have to come to monkfish and envoy alonso look avalon was very buzzed up before the marsh and we know that he toppled the fourth this time. You're running over three miles so this was. This was an experiment to a certain extent. It also should be noted that it's the end of season any switch tables is he a horse that retains the potential and the class for next season. Or has that all been now for you. Hogs note Finish late in rice. The pulled up but he's got to come back and then he said overcome being better form so he's got some big hurdles to face. Hasn't he now games next season and beyond he. I'm not sure what When he didn't get much daylight so audrey A man but it didn't really even What he could have done united his his previous rumson. Jumping style was just focus on his loss to runs this season. Just today sketchy over. His senses Arguably could save great ones did win hot assess for. It'd be on those occasions. But he was a great one winner at cheltenham. Just seasonal seasonable. Greg one form of the hurdles by the he's just steamed Out defenses as he was a great great windsor in his novice chase and season just gone. I would say. I think his hands full grade. Warm form was top notch. A now of now will see these setbacks Nonsense come in my opinion. The form of his hurtled runs definitely leave nothing. Yeah yeah big time. He said his tasteful day even his his grade one bumper form like his cheltenham bumper. Winwood way what he's done over fences but that's not necessarily his fault in the sense that lucy everything was just terrified to take them on. It seemed as though every trainer in the country including willie was like not not not doing. Yes going to be now leon. Overseas is injury to build up his Because This it is easier folds Goal the high of defense jump said he has taken a conference which race it was last season it on and i think he might be nine up in his first stakes. Actually somebody said we saw From buddhism that's nothing to worry about what you just ninety state Whether he's a whole set of Ahead sleeker ahead Now tell me the ball head phenol Do you wanna just explain for new listeners. From boots means sorry. I expect well. He's which racy was just lining up the down reuters. Isn't it hot possibly he. He had a pair of front boots on. Its front legs. Just to protect his tendons a. he's done feet Could get to take his feet up more all. Sometimes sometimes it works it so and just protecting their front legs. Maybe he was a bit so not jumping as well Dismounting he turned Of not giving the fences enough height. So we'd better just protects his front seat. That's front leads margin. He wore a tom. Taylor which was a bit odd. I think henry will get the maximum. I also think that you know a summer away and then back to henry. Debrum heads will. Doing good. Henry is is a master with chasers may very well be the sources to monitor. Which i've i've said this show many times. I mean tracey. And i had a had a debate at the start of the season but where we thought he would end up and and i said article and she said or say we're both wrong. Mitt them in the middle and in the end it didn't it didn't really matter but i do think he's got a lot of speed and look. Obviously you finished his lame then. That's not. He's running. But i wondered. Did he finish lame because because of being pushed to run three miles. I just wonder if if that was was potentially something to do with it. I don't know in terms of monkfish. He's jumped better than he did. A cheltenham and he did crews into it but he's made absolutely zero impact on koa really. The only good thing that you could take from this is that he. He's jumped while it's probably just that and this is the the irony because you're talking about an ex. Gordon elliott horse in in employ alone you would normally associated william on source with having had two starts before cheltenham and then they they had to maybe entering than punchestown this source has been on the go quite a bit Started in ferry house. The meeting various that we previewed in in a special show for horse racing on on the twenty eighth and november. He ran into neville hotel group grade. One he. I'm not just mentioning that because my friend is married to the dole for of the owner low trace of oklaho- hotels. Now that things are starting to open back up again as you come to stay in ireland. Make sure you stay in a hotel owned by the neville hotel group. I better get a five star treatment in my next day tells so he takes in leopardstown christmas. He takes up at stanford discipline racing festival then sheldon them. Maybe he was just all a bit too much. Yeah well Cheltenham was he. He settles even from the outset. He just looks at Screaming at core. Just pull time to wake him up a bit. You are to still he was. He was off in cheltenham race for him to still win. House hours really impressed actually because he certainly weigh in jumping was As well but oversee also very oppressed image to become so. Jump ers as you say. He didn't jump as does he. Did he jumped back to. The punchestown began still a challenge to the lackluster. Say that because of ordered his previous runs me still managed to win that race Is seven yard is jumping punchestown down essay better. I was on the whole. I think one fence Was last just did jump a little bit. Hi steve Max him again. He just he just looks like he just needs a bit more waking up on a bit more a bit more pace to be honest. I've actually era has called not better off around him. But he i think he needs around the gonna take you into the Taking into the fence to take you into the race I was. I was really taken by force when he won. Not discharge Full anyone that was. I bet on that day. Five to one in the fish advice since he's been he will day. So you know. I was really got was a great performance saturday alabama. Because he had run around in. He has a strong pace. You had a strong gala. Using the months the pack was they became the line. Brennan rebounded the owned by act. I just think he just needs that. He doesn't In his aussie rum's say maybe he's ever racing. she's as a magnificent hoses needs watch when he gets it right always. He's stunning. the was a in the race where i thought he's going to pull away here. Absolutely bolt up. Paul townsend as much as he tried could not catch. Danny mullins danny did. Just that was an absolutely superb right. Any you deserve all the credit in the world for it and you should be. You should be getting better rides by the way you should be. He's one of the top jockeys around and he's also incredibly experienced and he so well spoken like when danny comes on the show with us how he breaks down races even talks about issues within the racing industry. He's he's just absolute gold and Of course we'll have done on the show again soon. there's the goal festival for goodness sakes don't think we're not gonna stop talking about jumps racing and we still got more jumps racing. Talk about on this show. But he's a class act and delighted korea walk in the park. Stands at coolmore stud now. So it'll be exciting to see what caridi produces and we'll watch progeny with interest but monkfish should make an absolute hangs at the last as well. You're a good point may made a mistake. Three and then smashed through the last one. But i just remember just dumped it. Excuse at one of them. I just think you need field big galloping. He just needs. Yeah that was on cnn. Four on race but like you say take rate from that ride from diamonds and cholerae today sister. She's so tough she's just an incredibly an incredibly tough racehorse. We'll move on to This british domination. And i'm just getting worse. That's the t- shock. Meal martin has Yes yeah yeah. He's been in talks with Horse racing ireland british sources banned from travelling. Who arlen this. This domination of irish racing. Must've she's look. If if you're going to overreact because if you are resources when a cheltenham and i say a few i mean was seventeen. Then we're gonna have her phone with this as i love this little bit sick. That album photo didn't win. Because you know the shillings were on I'm delighted that glenda. Sabu came over. I'm thrilled for durham. I'm thrilled for samson davis and throw for paul nicholls as well because poll show an enormous amount of loyalty to punchestown over the years and This of course is colin by ceramics ferguson. Which when fans aren't invading the pitch is a good thing because he He obviously is one of the most iconic coaches of all time and as a liverpool fan. I have no problem saying that. And i think that he has the potential to attract more and more people to the sport. This wonderful sport of ours. He must have got some kick out of this as well. Because samson davis has given sclerosis oboe an absolute we set it on the last show. An absolute peach override. Yeah no he. He made the knee destroy outset subjects. There's politics running. Congress ever decides as prey hallway parentage Till the field upon as you say hats off to paul nicholls content on the you know he was getting run in the race so hats off opponents said that to supplement. Yeah well yeah. He just sexism Own of house. Be a champion trainer or your it was Because he was just even buzzing before the ride He was just beaming happiness to be. Let larry in the great one. So i'm just saying please for the whole foot the over team. Scientists Took the race by the scruff of the neck designed just absolutely releasing the round. He obviously That right handed traffic well round punches dot cool season Going right hundreds Punches aren't going right. Hand didn't think he'd Last couple of the fences in the final stage of the race. The on the hull beyond just made Pre simple radiant The truck can go not right handed direction. Man punchestown is coming to it off. The backer win the aintree richards which is really impressive. Run at cheltenham said these these folks. Now the winning at punchestown see day. They may not not many Normal didn't run as well at cheltenham and now that's coming into full so it's a good training importers to this whole scoring throughout season Run of but he still. He still what aging had a good race. Asaid really good performance. Training won't support efforts to keep Gay yet nearing end of the season expected entry winter and he got while held very well held for that matter. He was thrashed. You could make the argument. I don't think kim boy has his at all easy. Beloved easy game. We'll have another day in the sun with game. Don't worry it's alright mellon pulled up. He's just mellon basically album photos. Never gonna win. A punchestown. Just never can never going to happen. Poor fellow From from coming down to the last looking like he was going to have a battle with a are and then for some bizarre reason. Paul townend and album photo ended up taking out robbie power and that horse q. Rage from robbie power and from collins. Dessert But obviously album photos go gold cup support on. It doesn't really care or or or at least learned his lesson from from that but it just doesn't work from there for some reason it just does not work for him there and even one day in iran outside. I think i think he would have. Yeah but but even you know. Ruby walsh choosing kim boy over album photo in the in the punchestown gold cup like that was fascinating in the sense that you're getting off. You have the option of writing the gold cup and you decide not going to ride. The horse bolted up at aintree and then we had that famous wave. The wave goodbye As kim boy beat them by two lengths kamboi clearly didn't run his race and I for client sober. I'm thrilled i. I imagine it will be a similar road not next year. They will go for the king. George i just think this year's king george was bizarre land but it hasn't worked out at all. Maybe it was just an absolutely genius. Writing by brian. Frost but that race has not worked in the santini. Garbage surname move loss translation Waiting patiently hasn't happened for Hasn't happened for All black off but Clan clan this os clearly capable of better so i would imagine king george again next year then entry bowl and back to punchestown that seen that kind of roadmap seems to make sense. Yeah i think them tapes Oversee no often in for him flat traffic can shop track eight. Gb likes punchestown saying possibly aim for the senators on say you'd wanna ask for as well so i think just yeah. Everything fell the comes. I didn't Spot on kill crew. I'm kicking myself because managed to talk myself round into backing serb garard at time of the champion bumper. The lots david. And danny were both adamant that kill crew would win the champion bumper in our various cheltenham previews on the final furlong. Whether it was our our video preview with danny or ante-post preview. With david gilbert was the talking and i don't think he was polls finest hour and i hate bashing jockeys. So let's say instead of it not being paul's finance our genius from rachel. Rachel was just ace on garard on wrote him to. Perfection got caught by that tactical right. But there was none of that this time around and Ironically it's a first winning this race for a man who is responsible for buying the vast majority of these sources who run in these races. Mr derrick o'connor and a tenth one of the race four willie mullins including third in a row was the third one thousand guineas in a row for aiding o'brien and a third grade one champion bumper at cheltenham for williams as well. He is one. Think it's is it nine. It's ace eight of the last ten. Jesus christ The talent that reminds us. How impressed with were you. Yeah i think they let a lesson. Humvees was killed. homes vast from Said terrible winner at cheltenham Was in second this time around favor versus form said arguably may learn how to he added without tack magadan Kill crew yeah. Yeah fi- oscar surprise us. He stuff on the stop but he stopped inside. Ryan the hallway round so he had a good run round and he wasn't gonna set gerald Easier lead in october. Rice was allowed. Stretch away. I think the way mullins team. We're not gonna let that happen. This time around said yet Stuffy inside rail hallway at halway round punchestown gout tunes always the From from that. Full cy young Now it was so so interesting. Because there was the dynamic of the race between patrick and jamie jamie cod to be champion amateur and that race was very much on and it would have been very much on in this race so whoever patrick chose obviously was the one and patrick was in lovo kilkare road and after he like david had had said this on the show along. David has retired from writing. He's still work writing and the Patrick would not let him near crook in terms of work writing afterwards because because he used to write a match and David turned up to write him out a couple of days after he'd won at leopardstown and patrick. Now no so. It's it's remarkable. The patrick choice right sir. Garard not stick with kill quote so obviously he believed the champion bumper form. These are two very exciting but by the way we should mention well. Oh tool stewart crawford. This is fantastic. That's your crawford is not just producing horses and Big owners like Some in maneerin antics. We'd come in by them and then send them to what he mullins or. Send them to nick anderson there now keeping them with stroke offered and what a massive run this sources put in like that was that was a huge performance from him so Big mentioned sits destroyed crawford but in terms of novice hurdling careers for next season. These are two very very exciting horses but distance wise. How do you. How do you envisage their careers. Going over hurdles. Yeah i mean look at that. Run style. think jobs. I think kill crews will move an injection of pace lupita rodenstock Way he crooked away at punchestown days already snapped ten foot. I think sarah possibly hasn't But he's a host of. He wanted chapman from the front. And i think he got an easily that day. So i do think you'll going Hurdles he just looks at shepherdess. Nate just looks liquor shop I think he could be a good Norway saddled when possibly Feted distancing features. So yeah. I was impressed by killed crowe because we didn't get to see that injection of pace at chat room and he looks like he's gonna be a really smart recruit for the wedding among his stables scurrying to his novice had created next season. I think he's gonna be quick and slick and Better whole This is the great thing about opinions. I totally disagree. I think it's going to be the other way round. I think the garage is ideal for the supreme and i think the two mile four The in other words the the ballymore will bring bring out the best in in killed crowe but then again. That's what i thought about appreciate it. I thought that appreciate it would be ideal for the ballymore and bacterium accordingly many many many times and was heartbroken when willie mullins than went. We're going to go for the supremes but it was the right to say but you may very well be right and i may very well be wrong and that certainly wouldn't be the first time Actually there's no on the social media. Lucie that kill should go for the supreme answer garage. You go for the no more. I was in the kitchen the name or are you with me the kill crooks you go for the ballymore and sigur art supreme. Let us know at finals. One on pod. Speaking twitter people were going nuts. Lucy were losing their minds over classical dreams. Victory in the lab rex champion stairs because he was backed. He was backed from a big price. Nines at least and he was double figure price all the way down to a short as nights to and eventually settling at fives flooring porter was obviously sent off. Favourite and people were not happy. They weren't happy at all. Lucy that classical dream came back after. I'm not saying that everybody but some people were not happy with the fact that he came back from a break of four hundred eighty seven days to win a great one. How can we know how can be impressed. Performance i mean is just astronomical performance. Paint you exactly. Can we not just celebrate the achievements of a trainer as opposed to go birds in much bigger market mavis. Not what you say. Nine to one down to eight might have been double figures the night before but he was. He was nine to one on the day into into fives. Look this is a great one. Alright if you manage to produce a horse of that long layoff to go and win. You need to celebrate that. Particularly when the no form over the trip which i'm keen to hear your thoughts on james burley's or so we need to talk about as well how you could possibly start sling in allegations at the stable is just beyond me but anyway They the headgear. And that's why the money came dramatic nine. Maybe or maybe this has been working the working coal sutton to the ground and they went. We've got him right. We just need to be able to get them there. Because that that's the thing with classical dream and we've we've talked about this on the show before we even talk about it after his victory in the supreme novices sort of. I've never seen a horse with a more awkward head carriage basically watched the supreme novices hurdle. Again it's like. He's easing grass as he walks around as he runs around. He's hate is that low to the ground and it it makes life extremely difficult for jockeys but it also makes life extremely difficult for him. Because if you're strong and if you're particularly free this particularly like running free to post That expands an enormous amount of energy and we sold that catch him out in november twenty nineteen when saudi a beat him and someone who works but resources every day. And you work with flathorses so you'll have seen horses from the storm. Cat bloodline richard vice stable. That are absolutely insane and literally tried to kill stables. And i'm not exaggerating their the like that's how some horses can be dot kind of of running style can can ultimately harm a horse's career. You need to be able to then put in some serious work to get them to relax but at the same time lucy. There's a counterpoint to that that maybe they're running style of being free is what makes them so good and if you tried to get them to relax maybe that then we'll stop them being good. And perhaps that's what happened to this source in his open season in his first time taking on open company horses when he was beaten forty six lengths beyond charge and being two and a half lengths by saudi. Because he just he was a very very free going horse who is expanding A lot of energy in a bikini on on your thoughts on that and to get your thoughts on what it would take to get this source to win over a distance a mile further than he's ever traveled before first time out after four hundred seven days in grade one company. Yeah it came from like you say. I think he's a whole the you're gonna have to run in when he is on his think that he must've been spoken for this this time of year this race united. Obviously he's had a layoff saving trying to getting back fit and ready to go. He's a whole seat. You need to run when he's good. You trump renovated of time of series of that injury but as you say it would have been allowing people to walk him in the back end his his runs in the background of twenty nineteen you sent with his head bursts on the ground. It's carla is quite long it's You think where. He can't see the hurdles he's heads going to hit the hurdle before he's before his legs do is had characters actually got bad was it when he won and give it hunches down and brasler vaseline. has run the hypothetical. That knows that his first time in a hood on less unless he run in france in hood. Because we wouldn't have that declared yes. That's only been declared recently uncle with noodles recognize. Thanks the. I passed the when i see to Carried low in that head carriage customary lucky because the whole distract you. It's easiest back you didn't see. Uc in shot racine as well one horse race standsthe mishra. Who does that or he had done it. Sorry in his early career mishra dismember. What debut not in need will owns debuted. winning was dismay. Chinese had flow just need destruction back in disarray. Eastern back the advantage to that listening well fat race fine Heads stretching at that radiation that back so i'm passing rossi host you that than have had too high a Man that look. What mischief is is gone on to achieve fees been not sounding host. But he's have cars just remind me what in his career and just a phenomenal team performance net and your Characters quite punchy star trek. Some just i'm just he now but obscene. Fbi alarming and he was racing midday shrapnel rice east jumps ijaz traveled. He just he appeared to relish the three miles which is dissolved with associated t miles His created mullins. however he is. he's a whole come. From france he ran. He's run numerous times all to are facing regular autour uh toy. Thank you meeting correcting you on a french pronunciation by the way is absolutely hysterical. His full in france yet Stopped many winning monitors of quite interesting disease behind that role. Masa denied i think. Remember him that future yeah. He finished fourth behind him. A great one in france on very soft ground so doggedly that he appoint he'll hill he's got stamina and to burn so still final performances Just reminds me of a of a set in penn hill wedding Have been trained him to win the state Channel along so just actually master tried performance from wedding in castleberry jury was just. He was never off the bridle. I know maybe for second when he clattered the last stunning. And your i was always drawn to those bright colors as well because patrick was apps cruising along obviously there will be some final furlan. Podcast this missile be saying. Oh penn hell had form over three miles. He'd won the potato race. Your points still stands it. It was remarkable to get penn hill to win the stairs. We were both there. I think we were in the winner's enclosure together. It was quite remarkable thing to see him win on a seasonal reappearance because it was the stairs. All due. Respect to the mayor's quo vega had dullness. I just think he's a yeah he's just the most look on. I'm here what they are others. He'd won that off anyone any conflict previous runs in december before Said he's the master getting these three mom whether it be a chaser Twin off a break. I will try to while he wanted to. Cheltenham gold cup off the ballot. Not right racing off the back of breaking ruby walsh's leg taking out a horse when they were both in with a chance of winning and Then comes out and wins. New year's day at tra- more wins the gold cup. His next star bonkers absolutely insane. How many starts do you think classical dream is that don't look now. But how many do you think dreams had fully months and say guess seven. Seems like he's been around for a long time but he's only had seven starts in in ireland and the uk. I would be fascinated to see. Do they change things with them. I know patrick mullins saying racing tv afterwards. To think was kevin orion or that he was ready to run a christmas but then he just had that at slight little setback and that would have meant he was going novice chasing. They felt after christmas. It was too late then to do this and For whatever reason he doesn't eat didn't go into it they miss cheltenham with them. James debris was the only five year old in the lineup. Thought bryan hayes. Who's been getting a lot of rights. For william and deservedly so because he's been performing brilliantly he gave the source a really shrewd right. He's gonna ask say because he was piston to the champion hurdle on first round witty relatives that a great one champion hurdle of the back of his career in france. Just like say. I think he's probably one exciting horses Yet also them town. He's going talented. Conway's guys hadn't walsall T mom and he's he's gonna run. He's gonna run chrysler behind Three miles so yeah. He's already signed his name in great. Siamese is suedes our whole site back in ireland because the head psyching host Laos say as one of the most exciting horses. I think Going into the new season. It's the fact that willie mullins was talking about this. Or i've been trying to buy him for a long time and the trainer just kept on saying to sell to you win with devastating. No i keep this incomes. Some near they buy and bring them up one day and say we're sending the worst and he couldn't believe he's look. I thought he run app storm. And i'm very very excited to see him and what he can do as a novice chaser. You'll be six going for the arkle marsh. Rsa whatever it is. But he's very exciting. Speaking of french bread but not french trains erga mean. This performance made a delighted to see him in action. A love the performance but there was a parts of me. I'm not gonna lie. Does he missed the article. Because the clash between him and shishkin would've been absolutely epic and the only thing we can now for lucy that he stays fit and that we get that clash in the champion chase next season. Yeah they setting the. We'll let you say she's getting almost looks like he needs the classes because he's never had. These had that slow clash man. runaway winner at cheltenham. He went wanna eight three Distinct densities that flat-footed. Aintree sustained was nice. So yeah so. This is the whole senate and house Gonna go with negi mean an mean. He's the whole snakes up stickiness year by faw looks to me like he's the is incredibly straightforward his win at punchestown just. This last week was incredibly straightforward. He won by a huge margin on Set running Cycle who sit will set up next year is also is not convince game just wonder what is his can had such a hard race at chapman over he just is too much to china because he say let's bit flat entry so this could be the whole. Said the tiny blooms love with some bookmakers are really taking the piss. Six four shish really. Okay i mean. I i like shishkin. I think he's a high class of that's on the record on the show. Erga mean five to one so you can get to choose two to one shishkin or five to one and argue mean. Take your choice which one lucy value by Isn't it i just. I just think she's house quite disappointed. With how iran eight. I think everybody was one night. He just looked lackluster. So you just In maui with some a great concern i think he would in mind sources by far more progressive. He is smushed up the underwriting exchange gold cup so let's just call it what it is. The ferry house gold cup novice chase winner by sixteen links. Who he also trains genital franco. Deports racing post novice chase winner was in behind and historian longish who carried a big weight in handicap and bolted up notably by the way under brian cooper. Paul townend patrick mullins both like riding like oh no way am i right in that nutjob rancor but it just goes to show you that this fellow. He has to be seriously exciting. And the undoing that there could be is cheltenham going to be okay from unwilling to take that chance and Five to one about. I'm with you completely with. Yeah i would say. She's done box that australian so long. He's quite crazy isn't that whole he's a psycho going too much traffic is i was impressed by how he wanted to he. Just he won't today but he's He's exciting i think is low. Humidity killed doney molins. He he literally with he put. Danny mullins face first into the ground but at the same time. We love shelves so It'll be interesting to see what he does going forward. Well because that was that was a big performance. You're right it was a big performance overseas pitched into group. One company was the only back. Yes i could get. His head in front will be and yet in his trademark. Can you only need. can you trust him. That's the thing The champion hurdle winter honeysuckle. I backed epa tone actually thought that might be able to to turn the former around We can know officially give up on project epa taunton. That's that's now over. And she's it's remarkable that it's a repeat of the one-two-three from the champion hurdle in the exact order but she some their honeysuckle she really is and it's a week. That was quite difficult for henry. Debrum head and rachel more. I'm sure it was frustrating for them at times. She's one at ferry has she's then gone and one. The irish champion hurdle beating future aintree hurdle winner by ten lengths. she wins the champion hurdle from sharja. Who had made history by becoming the first horse to win the used to be the christmas novice hurdler. Can't remember what is call now for the third successive year in a row under patrick mullins. So he's a solid rock stick a solid yardstick rock stick yardstick rock stick. She's a machine and it's going to take something exceptionally special from the novice ranks into open company to stop her next season. He's phenomenal isn't a think we'll running out of words to describe that because she's ninety winner t malls in grade one company. She's a winner tuna half-mile great one companies. Which quite she's got case team. Miles per se saxons. Well for two and a half miles on stage actress walk. She's phenomenal. She's unbeaten now. I looked tired. The champion hurdle charger. And i overlooked again in the punchestown. Champion shot just state. I went for. Don't think just try to get. It just doesn't happen. Phenomenal on the laurie sore video again. Laureates conscious soul. She might she mountainous lights. I tag quiet Heart racing was chomping She she might not be until that game but she just proves us wrong. I think we just. I'm just running out. Cpi describe the way to say. She's a machine. Bring it on again next season. It's gonna be fascinating to see how it all plays. Fine ron from sharja. Nicky henderson hasn't had a great season. We'll we'll call that as it is. He hasn't had a great season. Nicky henderson should not be third in the jumped. Trainer's title his whole is this season. I haven't really carried that form straight and in previous seasons. We've also his whole carry the phone for assad overseas. he's been outstanding. He does the mellow winner. Shelton as season this festival the majority of them haven't read stood out will carry carried that form free from the previous season's who knows what's gonna come this season. Almost the exception that proves the rule. You'd like to think that things will turn around next year and it's a blip bought. It's quite a notable one and we'll we'll have to keep an eye on I know pronounce that wrong. I don't care if this stage one a nonsense race fair-play he's one. He's beat nashville. Bob bulbs a an anglo thrush. No baba lender no appreciate it no interest in talking about it. We come to the final day. You were very interested in talking about the rena and there was an interesting point. Brought up by. Roy deal argue. The she was sold on the basis that she would not run again. So why is she. Running skies fell. That was at the second so pointing no idea how she would have performed concerts. That ended up being sent off a long odds on favorite at this point. william mullins pouching are already champions in their respective areas. But instead of it being llerena coming back to ireland from this failed paul nicholls experiment and being discarded by jarred sullivan bloodstock and he dispersed the majority of them. If not all of them. And i don't know jarred sullivan. Lucia don't know if you do. But i suspect that he is kicking himself. Because you've sold a horse in in stormy ireland for seventy five thousand pounds. Which in racing terms is. How do i put this fuck. And she's gone on and one a great two and now a great one where the top prize is seventy thousand euro so as probably about sixty thousand pounds and twenty nine thousand euro which is probably about twenty four thousand pounds so she's already paid back her fee and she will be a very exciting broodmare. Willie mullins though very keen to wrestle with her again next year. Yeah and you can see. Why isn't it because he's from to his young. He's gonna wanna great great to now. He's one the great one come to stressful the match champion hurdle say she just being the way one in state one hundred one one argument. I read somewhere based on that concern within a grade. One is what has she beaten is. Is the irish runners. Not the same caliber horses. He writes the gains in the k. When she was with nichols has she actually beaten equality fields when she returned back to. What indoor ac- beaten In might not be as qualities hosted that she'd run against the cave four nickel because cheltenham Out and she was behind solve some one who is a great one performer. This country so that was one argument. I it was his. Interestingly a crx as good as careful pretty certain that. We've got better horses than eldorado allen from newton abbot and pretty certain that we've got better horses than Zomba rela as well for that matter. Seal the street at great one performance. Well yeah it's business. It's interesting she maybe she's just relish being back under the marlins cat. She's she's tough isn't she. She's strange 'cause sometimes. The changes stable. An increase of say is tall rounded. She was beaten in a listed race on her final start for for. Paul nichols and that was on the second of january. Twenty twenty one. And i guess. What's remarkable about this is. The point is the champion to because is an absolute genius. I don't think any of this is is his fault but willie knows the horse. So he knows her in-depth and the decision of the owner to disperse for whatever. Reason jarred sullivan's done that and he's entitled to do it. It's up to him. But what i think is berlin thibaud. This people who bought this are peo- bloodstock future. Bloodstock water bloody brilliant purchase. What what a genius pie. And what a genius decision. Because she was bought at the goff's uk sale to then sent her back to watch months. No brainer really said well. You know that that we on site bay new connections now as especially. She's done to rice on as well. You think there's more to come face. She showed us back months. They will say. I just think is well Mazda we naipaul nichols zuma's but i would say willie mullins had has had fall more back to mass over the this than peninsula stable. That'd be one good point. We'll see what you can do. We'll see how strong the the mayor's hurdle form is this a suspect that next year i still can't understand how black tears one she's significantly turned the former owned with concertina. She just looks overall philly. And as much as paul is. Is the number one jockey. I'd love to see danny mones. Keep the right terrific stuff from him and a great day for danny as well as we come to our final rice. Jeff kidder cheltenham winter of fred. Winter beats zana here by three quarters of a length. This was quite something. Lucy a take it away. Because i don't know what to say was speeches People were with the whigs. Donohoe going to the few folks on you with with certainly with him. Zanna here are of that santa here. Yeah i think jeff. Kenna is the flat In the beginning of his career. He's experienced team his just on the massive increase He's not great with everyone. Didn't expect him to win at shell. H one when he won the fred winston Expected that then he's gone to frank that full side. I think everybody can now think. Next time he runs Through city prices it because we will not ever look can now. We've had a warning. The funny thing is that he's come out at fairyhouse and he's worn very well. He's great to really well. And yet i don't think i even mentioned him on the show and he's been completely ignored in the market so the market was obsessed with that triumph fertile form. And you never know. He said in his racism three bus scene late cyst on wiggle jeff again. Prove us wrong. fantastic train performance as a fully roads Eastward right one out so you think. The scars limitless will go into the season and beyond. We know how much more difficult it gets for horses when they make the jump from their four year old career to their five-year-old career and open company. It's a very difficult transition to make. It thought it was intriguing that no mead made the point that they're definitely going to have run on the flash. They'll definitely take in something more off actually think of sixty seven s tasty pub. You'll get in anywhere you go up. Yeah exactly able to run them anywhere. Yeah it's it's a remarkable improvement. It's also credit to know meat and it's great for no for no meat as well because this was in danger of being again the willie mullins show because all the money came on. Call it or his name is quick. Ceus he can't run is race. Disappointing listening off to have impressively wasn't cheltenham authorizing jc trump huddle. Maybe too much out. You've impressive at cheltenham In far better phoolan he's just renting His carino's in house here Hurdles ashi say nobody wants to start on the flat which would make sense next again. And then pitches in huddles again that makes sense to me and i think yet jeff kenna four his life and just rescues career. The hurdles the funny thing is about this source with the exception of cheltenham since the pandemic he's basically raised all of the time except for when he was beaten on saint. Stephen's day by zana here. By the way he was a fifty to one shot that day day then gave him an eighty daybreak. He was obviously in asia to show for the fred winter and goes and wins two links. He's had a very busy. Oh campaign with the exception of that eighty daybreak off the mark of sixty seven. Jeff kidder is going to be an absolute solid moral. Can we get to ross common for a mile five handicap off a sixty seven and away. Go lucy dubai. Money is on the hurdles. You think this of the horses that you saw at punchestown. Are you most looking forward to seeing next season with festival. Dream based on that performance was just accidentally standout. He was authorized asylum on the other casco dream because he was just most impressive. That was not the answer i was expecting. I will be completely honest with you. That was not the answer. I was expecting I'd say honeysuckle. We all we already know what she were seeking true enough. I'm gonna be unbelievably boring and go an orga mean because just. I really want to see him clash with chicken yet me that we need that. We need that forest while we need the pair of them off could be. The parents have had that class. You know they've they've won. Everybody's have easy amid so that's a hundred percent. Lucy could not have put up better. They need one another yes. They do like the irish. Need the english really. Yeah yeah exactly. In order for this to work one needs the other and they've got a meat is like two boxers who just keep avoiding one another's like get on with it come on the client. We're waiting waiting for you to to meet that match exactly. I can't wait for i call it either. I'm with you in the sense that by all means we take the five to one the boat. An amine for the champion jason. Just because it's the bigger price. These are two extremely exciting novice. Chasers accident genuinely. Don't know which of the two is the best which is why one is real values. Arguably the wins he will get that parts of getting a bit like fish. When i when i vow fishing to indiana thought that he hasn't gone up. That hasn't on a person cy fair show. Yes sometimes horses too. Big a price to ignore so quite the conundrum to me lucy. Russell hughes fantastic This show and look forward to having you again very very soon. Kind senate and we will chat you get very very soon on the phone for podcast. 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UN Secretary-General landmark speech on climate action, 2 December, 2020

"The friends i have detailed emergency. But i also see hope i see of advances that show what can be done from rescue rescuing the ozone layer to reducing extinction rates to expanding protected areas. Many cities are becoming greenish. The circular economy using waste environmental laws of growing rich at least wins fifty. Five united nations member states now legally recognize that a healthy environment is a basic human rights and the knowledge base is greater than ever. I was very pleased to learn by president bolger. that columbia university has launched a climate school. The first new school here in a quarter of a century. Congratulations this is a wonderful demonstration of scholarship and leadership. And i'm delighted to know that so. Many members of the sustainable development solutions network are with us today. A special guests university presidents chancellors deans faculty and other scholars united nations academic impact. Initiatives is working with these additions of higher education across the globe and the contributions of universities are essential to our success. The friends and you will this taking shape. More and more people are recognizing the limits of conventional yardsticks such as domestic gross domestic product in which environmentally damaging activities count as economic positives. Mindsets are shifting more and more people are understanding the need for their daily choices to reduce their carbon footprints and respect planetary boundaries. And we see inspiring waves of social mobilization by young people from protests in the streets advocacy online from classroom education to community engagement from voting booths. To places of work yet. People are pushing their elders to do what is right and we are in a university. These is the moment of truth for people and planet alike coffees and climates have brought us to a threshold we cannot go back to normal of inequality injustice and illicit dominion over the earth. Instead we must step towards a safer more sustainable and equitable path. We have a blueprint the twenty thirty agenda the sustainable development goals and the agreement on climate change. The door is open. The solution is are there now is the time to transform humankind's relationship with the natural world and with each other and we must do so together solidarity is humanity solidarity is survival. That is the lesson of twenty twenty with the world in eighty and ary trying to contain the pandemic. let's learn the lesson and change course for the pivotal periods ahead. And i thank you.

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68. James Bulger: A Toddlers Life Stolen

Reverie True Crime

1:09:04 hr | 7 months ago

68. James Bulger: A Toddlers Life Stolen

"I host jd. Horror and this is true. Crime horror story a true crime. Podcast is like man thalji horrible. It's definitely not for the faint of heart and never played for laughs. Listener discretion is strongly advised and seasons went into we highlighted both new torius and obscure incidence of real life murder for moral famous psychopaths. Like the tool box killers and the night stalker. Richard mirrors to lesser-known evils. You may not have heard of that. Have affects justice catastrophic for the victims and their families. Season three's coming soon. So subscribe now wherever podcast can be consumed and check out our website at www dot true crime horse dot com true crime horror stories. Sometimes truth is more brutal fiction. I'm your host page and you're listening to reverie true crime. Every episode is definitely not the easiest to listen to but this episode. I must warn you is about a two year old baby boy who was murdered by two ten year old boys. If you cannot handle subjects like this i urge you not tillis us in two of many sources for this episode are denise fergus is book. I'll let him go. And ralph bolger's book my james if you go to four james dot org. It's a wonderful website that you can purchase denise nieces book and learn about the james bolger memorial trust. You can also go to the facebook page. James bolger memorial trust and give a like and read through it all and this will be in the show notes. Denise is doing so much for children i feel. It's important to tell you really quick. What the james bolger memorial trust is about sourcing from four james dot org. The aims and objectives of the james bolger memorial trust are to benefit and support young people who are disadvantaged by reason of having become the victims of crime hatred or bullying to a reward. Those who are judged to have shown exemplary conduct making a positive contribution to the welfare of others or society in general to do so by providing cost free travel and holiday accommodation for such children and their families along with a range of other tangible rewards as deemed appropriate by the trustees or their appointed representatives and to support other organizations benefiting children in similar circumstances as deemed appropriate by the trustees. So please donate if you can and read more on the website. This case has been requested quite a few times. And i know it's such a hard pill to swallow but these stories must be told us open. Lee invite denise ralph and stewart onto the show. If i get anything wrong or you have something you like to say. I'd love for you to sit down with me and tell me everything that you like with that being said if you think you can stomach is tragic story. Let's begin in june of nineteen eighty-eight denise and ralph but after experienced their first tragic event together. When they're little baby girl was stillborn later on the same day. Ralph pop the big question to denise. Will you marry me. On the sixteenth of september. Nineteen eighty nine denise. His twenty second birthday. The two said their. I do's at the knowsley register office. After they got married they went home and had a sweet family gathering to rejoice in their wonderful day. At this time denise was pregnant. The two are a bit nervous and scared that there was a possibility of denise losing another baby fortunately little james patrick bolger was welcomed into the world on march sixteenth. Nineteen ninety and kirkby mercy side england. He was a beautiful blonde haired blue eyed bundle of joy. He was the most joyful baby and sharp as a tack. Ralph said in his book migraines that even when he was only a few months old. James tried his best to talk to them. When james was a little older he started to call his dad row. Instead of daddy everyone else called him ralph and he loved to repeat it while in his red car. James would say ralph row. Come and push me and row would reply. No james. i'm your dad. You have to call me daddy. james would respond with. Okay ralph now come in push me. Ralph stated that he could still hear the calls of james little voice saying his name as he played in his modest says red car. It was obvious that james was so special to his parents and they were great parents. They loved him so much and he was their entire world. One of james's favourite things to do was danced to michael jackson's music and he got so tickled when he made others laugh. Denise recalled one of her favorite memories of her baby boy was when he would run to her and his hair. Would bob in down. Denise remembers that james rarely walked. He was a tiny little runner. He loved gerets into people's arms with a big smile on his face. Here's a clip from an interview with bay tv liverpool as she shares details about her son. I about james. What kind of boy was he that he pleasants. Love sanson people. He's never walks on ebay. Always bounce everywhere is kind of long blonde. Ziadeh moves every time bounce is passing on tv. She'll close to be announced on when you wait in this company. You just made you laugh. I'll tell the memories of that you cherish most able still got a lot of memories of james are charged us way. You step surrounds. And i used to be a to make sure he'd rather pox was laying on from age. Abc's counts is just an amazing abortion. Spent a lotta time teaching them stuff. The turtles and michael jackson all absolutely love michael jackson a more often importance music on than may a lot of people says the blame insulate michael jackson. Obviously i'm a big michael jackson yourself and nobody would not support michael jackson's video on james to to for me and every time you put the video on its it's unsuitable each i to me like my whole news. Just say twenty the latest set to watch mementos that you've got james what those things you cherish of him will stay of soga. James's trump enfolds bossom of a draw game. I've got i've kept cyber tone. There's all's toys a of capsules clues. It's just something that calm paul james and my life. It's keep looking at the like that. I just knew that the day but this say john potter. I off call on seoul kinds of small james on the purity innocence and the trust that toddlers have for others is such a beautiful thing unfortunately that innocence. That trust and loving behavior can be taken advantage of by people that have terrible intentions. These people don't have to be adults as scary as it is. They can also be children on the twelfth of february. Nineteen ninety-three denise. And her little james were at the strand shopping center and bootle merseyside as most of us know doing any task and trying to keep a toddler in place is extremely difficult. They like to run around and not stay in one place for too long. James being a curious. Free spirited a little tot wandered off while his mom was at a butcher shop denise look down and he was gone she frantically ran out of the butcher shop which was captured by security cameras as she searched for james. She got in touch with security. They announced james bolger's name over the loudspeakers of the shopping center and the police were called immediately about a minute. After she was seeing on the security footage james was also filmed on the upper level of the shopping center walking closely with two kids. Eventually two boys spotted little james outside of the door of the butcher shop. They took his hand and they all walked away. This all happened so fast. Roughly within one minute and thirty nine seconds. The these two boys had skip school that day which they did often and they were also seen stealing and throwing things around them all also before they took. Jane's they attempted to abduct two other children. A mom of a three year old girl and two year old boy noticed her children had disappeared. The distress mother did find her daughter and asked her where her little brother was and she said gone outside with the boy the mother found them outside and the boys acted innocent telling the child to go back to his mom also that day they stole candy batteries blue paint and other items call by cdc tv there were people who saw james and the two boys and they asked them where they were going. The two boys told people lies about james being their little brother and another law saying they found little way in were taking him to the police station and none of the adults stepped in or questioned. It people even witnessed the poor baby being hit shagen and kicked by the two boys. Some saw james crying but these onlookers didn't do anything about it. Ralph says in his book margins quote. There would be times when quite unfairly. I blamed denise. I was wrong very very wrong. It was just part of my raging grief. I wanted to scream. Why did you let go of his hand. Why did you let him out of your sight. He would still be here. If it wasn't for you and deeply ashamed of blaming denise. She loved james with her heart and soul and what happened. That day was not her fault. It could have been any parents child in quote. This is where the story gets even worse. It's very important to me that people know what these two did to. Jane's a child is one of the most innocent beings on this earth. And what happened to him. Needs to be told because of the injustice that has gone on for way too long which i will get into more later. If you don't think you can handle these details. I do urge you to hit that thirty second. Skip button a few times. Reportedly the boys led james to a railroad track. That was a little over two miles away from the shopping center once they were there. They splash the blue paint that they had stow into the babies is they threw rocks at him. Kicked him repeatedly and smash in the face. With twenty-seven breaks the two went on to hit him on the head with a twenty two pound iron bar. They stuff the batteries that they had stolen into the toddler's mouth and anus and they sexually assaulted him. The last act was putting james's deceased body on the railroad tracks trying to make it all. What like an accident as a train was coming. Which split the baby and two. They left his remains near the tracks and james was found two days later. According to ralph bolger's book my james. He says quote a group of teenage boys was playing alongside a railway track and walton on that cold sunday afternoon when they spotted what they first thought was a doll or a dead cat on the track between edge hill and bootle in quote. James didn't have on shoes socks pants or underpants and was a little bit further away from his top half which he still had his little jacket on. It suspected that the bricks were holding. James's head down which caused the train to carry the lower half off a little further. The path allah report which was read out loud in court. Found that bulger's foreskin had been pulled back with force. There were forty two injuries in all. And it's not certain which act was the actual cause of death okay. Let's take a moment to breathe during this commercial. Break the lock your doors. Check under the bed and turn on a night light. Because it's time for the scariest stories. History and conversations ever heard if he struggle to find a great scary podcast listened to scary time by indie dropping and explore new creator every week. They'll be telling you about. Paranormal goes monsters haunting creepy places. Enchanted objects aliens and more best of all. If you like the creator you can follow dan for more great content if you dare. That's scary. Tom by indie dropping. Wherever you strain your podcasts ralph's brother jimmy recalls ralph's book. My james ralph was gaunt sunken in the face and totally done in at one stage. I volunteered to go back to the police station to see if there was any news as soon as i got there a new it was bad. The look in the officers is gave it away then. He told me they had found a body. I remember an awful pain in the pit of my stomach. My legs seemed as if they were going to give way. It was the most awful thing to have to tell your baby brother. His life was about to change forever. When i turned i took a deep breath and walked over to the passenger seat of the car where ralph was sitting. I've got some news ralph. I said it's not good. I'm afraid ralph leapt from the car and we walked a few yards before. I just threw my arms around him and held him for dear life. My heart was beating so fast as i clung to him. Not wanting to say the words ralph. They have found baby james. They have found him. I'm so so sorry. But he is dead. He's dead ralph. Ralph goes on to say. I walked into toilet cubicle and felt a rush of nausea. My stomach was an agonizing spasms and my limbs turned to jelly. I began wrenching but nothing came up when i looked at my reflection in the mirror. I saw a stranger. My eyes like they were going to pop out of my head blazing with anger and bloodshot from tears and rage. But most of all. I could see the shame and disgust a hated myself because my son was dead i had failed to protect my own flesh and blood. When we got back to marsh lane. Police station i just let rip. Where's my son. I screamed. I wanna see my james. Now what the fuck have they done to him. I'm gonna kill the bastards. I'm sorry ralph. You can't see him now replied officer with great compassion. Are you sure it's him. How do you know it's my baby. Where very sure ralph and. I'm so very sorry. The next thing. I remember i was punching the walls and i was just kicking and screaming before i collapsed. Wailed like a baby. Denise was waiting for me in the police television room to gently crying. I just held her and kissed her on the head. We were both crying together. Trapped in a world of pain that no one else could ever understand. Denise was inconsolable to hear your wife crying and such a way as unbearable. It was like listening to a wounded animal. There's no question that i considered killing myself. The only thing that stopped me from doing so was the thought that i would be leading james down once again of course as any investigation goes the parents were the first to be interrogated and initially. They were suspects but the cops were looking over the c. See tv film and saw exactly what happened. They thought the two boys looked to be around. Twelve to possibly eighteen years. Old phil roberts. A man that was on mercy sides serious crime team. During this time said quote it showed james hand in hand and what we thought was a teenager. There was another boy in front. We thought he was about thirteen. That was a surprise that two youths had apparently taken him. We immediately started coming records of anyone between the ages of twelve and eighteen. Who might be involved. We brought in several boys. But as soon as i started questioning them i knew they weren't involved in quote. The police went to all nearby schools to check to see who was absent on the twelfth. Believe it or not. Some parents reported their own children as the potential killers. Since they weren't at school that day when the toddler's body was found by those four teenage boys they noticed his body was doused and blue paint with police. Looking over the cici tv footage they saw two boys had stolen blue paint from a store at the shopping center that day. Then an anonymous woman went to marsh lane police station. According to the book my james the woman said she was a friend of one of the boys families and she knew this son had skipped school with a friend on the friday. That james went missing. He had returned home with blue paint on his jacket. Another bit of evidence that put these two at the scene of the crime was the blood discovered on the right shoe. One of the killers. When the two were interrogated they started pointing fingers at each other but eventually one of the boys spilled the beans. He said quote. I did kill him. What about his mom were you tell her. Sorry end quote. The other boy denied everything one gave himself away by telling what james bolger was wearing the day he went missing. This child seemed completely calm and collected through the whole interrogation never shedding a tear. He was publicly known as the boy who did not cry. What i'm about to play is some of the interrogation audio. These boys were questioned over a period of three days. So some questions do repeat but each clip does have different things in them. So i'll play that for you now. He said the two of you were. You sold a little boy. We never the god's truth goes on to from from chaldean to skate. You've probably to skilled said that you took him by the hand on. Let him out the strong shops. We never own never got the ball on a month. We wasp sold any kids there. Any chance it strands most asked show ago as detailed under custody that code out that he had a conversation with you then requested themselves and dave talent. Commencedan that right. What was he told. James shop in store to while we totally xidan making follow so he said he the same house out in full interface on. You didn't fall over and kept on getting the hope again. You wouldn't stay down. What would say. We see. Steve down stupid. Why did you want to stay down properly. We we walking around with a. I was handed long then. It was ties to kill chats kennel full. We should let you throw them in. The ball was persuaded him. Paycheck kneel down. Let's look at the war. All the bully wouldn't close when we wouldn't get him down kicked him through on the floor. Governors bulldogs have colder than it was driving along to lose weight. Scholars can walk. Would you go up to the reservoir at that fosters as young james walking with you by this time or are you still have to them minutes. Was he upset so he made friends billion so these films. I went through like you know he's been still correct. A may look down. everything goes on. You should get to know the truth. I believe the law of logic killed them. It the kill one was that so what happened after four friends. Then you then go move. Go annuity joel. You should take take no flame. That's the point. Okay some more. So what did say you. Try and find the best foreign place. I don't believe you a lesson that you took away from reservoirs walked somewhat else loss. This nation killed in. I've got kids of james w think the truth. You don't know muscle that john. Why don't you tell us why. Would you tell us kill kim right. we've got. We ended up getting a them. The coal should do not have to say anything. Less us to do so bennett. You say maybe given evidence you understand the najam y- photograph here. Which is a video camera photograph. So the boy hold in his hand she and the boy ahead headed you in the dark jackets in charles's thompson. What was he told us right. Now i know about took a lot until pulse. okay. I know what's the worst bit you know what you did you think about it. Tell us what you shouldn't stop. Why did we told you actually do with stepping stones in the Only move then. It was tied to kim. Okay finishing she'll face in the us right now he's change make any noises that he was not busy move. Nfl these video films. I went through. Know these these do this to correct a may look down everything that goes on in the whole thing. You can get the truth. I believe so loginova killed them. Kill takes flowers to the baby but his wife if you take clothes. Do you do that when you score. Pickup the hoffman fellas. You feel it. I'm the flow what happened. There was nothing holes in metal ten. Owns that with the beheads him with that on the shelf that that what was saying. Who's doing ola. let me see stupid. Why did you want to stay down. Probably would the stones and the bar has in the hat you said the knocked him out rarely and what happened was just lion fish. Coachspeak james it muscle. Will you with john happen. Did you find jank. i'm shocked butchers. So we worked of children. We walk around with his hand gives rules then it was robert. Time to kill reynolds chats canal. Should let them throw them in. The water was persuaded him chat meals on. Let's look at the water and all the wouldn't close when we can. Jam number kicked him off through on the floor. And that's where the governor's bold cold it was dragged along to scullers can walk up to the reservoir with that sponsors as young james walking with you by the time you still love them to pull him. Was he upset. So i'd make friends he's more. So what did you say to you. We're to try and find those reservoir place. I don't believe you for the left in. that took him away from reservoirs. What else loss. Why did you county don't will in away to the reservoir. What are you gonna love. You take wants welton village you walk along for change. The boys had walked james nearly three mile and we lost but we never saw any kid. Stay running watts. You in bootle strands ask you seen in a couple of kitts pay james arrest w think the truth show while ago as diese that go out that had a conversation with among and you then requested sell and dave talent that right. What was he sold us. Kings is not binding telling lies It would i care during the arrest and trial. The names of these killer. Kids were not made public because they were only ten years of age due to the absolute outrage and rightly so of the public. The two were taken to adult court to be tried and they were found guilty of murder. This is when judge justice morland named the killers. They were robert thompson. And jon venables blake morrison. Wrote a book called as if a crime. A trial a question of childhood in the book he says quote ben ables had a temper and had been known to lose control and had done some pretty weird things and it was just as likely that he was the instigator in quote. It's never been proven but a lot of people do believe that. Jon venables was the leader of the two which also comes with what jon venables would go on to do years later and how robert thompson took a different path in life john and robert were sent to a safe place for kids and they were to serve a sentence of only eight years to this day. Not a single professional has ever been able to figure out what the motive was but the psychiatric that the court appointed did conclude that these two ten year olds knew the difference. From right and wrong and were not sociopaths. Robert and john were the youngest kids and two hundred and fifty years to be convicted of such a horrible crime and britain and nineteen ninety. Five denise and ralph bolger's marriage ended after the birth of their second son. Denise married a great man named stuart fergus. They went on to have two sons together ralph so remarried and went on to have three daughters with his new wife in two thousand one. John and robert were now eighteen. There were evaluated released and given new secret identities. James's parents have stated that the nonsensical killing of their baby has brought on pure devastation to their family. They were having a difficult time trying to keep going after their loss plus the massive interest that the public had about their family. It was all too much in two thousand fifteen. Denise was asked in an interview with bay tv liverpool who she thinks is to blame. Here's what she had to say. They tortured animals and Clearly being planning this. Who do you blame for what happened. Obviously then but what about. The parents loath zafy. Blame them to a should be months. The many way. I know where my kids all the time. She should have been at the school on thankfully now when kids students attend school. The school actually found the patents. Trustworthy other thing. That's a really good addity. Because then you know if the are being su on the north then you want to know where. The are a saturday way of my kids all the time. My kids have got bathrooms in the zone since the school and teachers understands. Why dylan the allowed to use them. Foot said he uses novi. Wanna get in touch with them. Bitter try not to when the school office. We know that they tortured animals. A the as you said trying to dr child earlier. Do you think anything will stop them. Do what were going to do on that day as you say they set out to do that. Without as a society we should be skilled bobsleigh through playing schuman's and the proper way of school a few weeks before up until the to entice it also the skill. So you know. It's definitely wait outside child. Being james were someone else's child people to definitely don't anyway so do you blame v truancy service in this school for not having spotted the the behavior that they display. I think you know the way it works. Is i got a phone call of the child's or kids on in school and i'm just wondering why you know the the let let it sit them to jack whether the answered school in the began a nine o'clock and then left the school early. I don't know or whether they just never went to school. Toll attack. I just don't know but it the the believes gotta live with someone in the school. They should have in school so the teachers should do. You know where they should have been formed the pans violent. Your kids at school a put the patents should all they should if the off. Because i knew mike. It's if they sorta son skill. I know now. Another major injustice comes into play. The understanding was that the killers can only keep their secret identities unless they re offended well as it turns out. Jon venables did just that many times in two thousand eight. He was taken into custody because he was sloppy drunk at a bar and got into a fight. He was given a warning by his probation officer. He was also just given a warning for having cocaine and his possession during this. Tom denise was dealing with some frightening things she had a stalker in two thousand eight. A man called denise is house flooded with messages and sent a christmas card decorated with hearts after he was given a warning by the cops. This man sent her a lot of letters that had return addresses from various parts of the country. The battle came to a halt when the manson card from portsmouth written inside. It said haha. You can't catch me. The man whose name is howard. Wilson was found guilty of stalking denise as well as damaging. A- jail sale at copy lane police station and liverpool after sentencing. Denise was still afraid even though howard was in jail she said quote it feels like mental torture. Even though he hasn't actually harm me any way. I'm convinced he's a ticking time bomb but none of us knows when he's going to go off it's terrifying. Because the last time. I use those words. It was over thompson and venables and quote in court. Howard wanted to give his reasoning for what he did but he wasn't allowed to explain why he had stalked and harassed denise because honestly there is no excuse for it alison clarkson the prosecutor asked howard quote. You can't accept that. Your obsession with denise fergus caused your distress. can you. and quote he kept sticking to his story that he didn't mean her any harm at all in two thousand ten. It was back to prison for john as he was discovered to have images of sexual child abuse on his computer. He confessed that he had downloaded on his computer child pornography as well as gave all these horrible things to other people the images on his computer of these children were as young as two he also contacted a male pedophile named leslie blanchard from clemson and gave him these pictures. The court heard that an e mails to leslie. John was pretending to be at thirty five year. Old married woman named dawn who abused her eight year old daughter. John's was to get leslie to send pictures of abuse to him. But instead leslie actually run into abuse quote unquote. Don's daughter himself. john under the alias. Dawn told the man that he could purchase total access to the girl. These were found in a lot of back and forth messages that they were sending via google. Hello they both agreed on a price and that leslie could have the girl for a few hours. The john cutoff leslie. Completely saying he couldn't see the girl. John was twenty seven years old at this time and he told police that he was breaking the last taboo. He actually got caught because he gave his computer to. The police scared that his identity had been found out. In february of two thousand ten. The police looked through his computer and found everything. John attempted to delete a lot off of his computer and even went as far as trying to remove the hard drive with a can opener. Still around fifty seven images were found the defender of. John said that he only did this. Because of the abnormal situation of having to live under a secret identity and he was constantly in fear for his life continuing on to say that john being constantly alone made him go into a downward spiral of drinking and drugging jon. Venables had also used could unquote peer to peer computer software to download videos of eight-year-old girls. Some were being right by grown men. Hey confessed that he was turned on by all of this and had even masturbated while watching the videos and looking at the pictures. He said he didn't have any intentions of having sex. With a girl of that age he was given a sentence of two years in jail after his sentence. He was once again given a new secret identity on monday of twenty sixteen. It was late on august bank holiday. Denise said in court that one of her gates had been flung wide open that night. Her husband looked at their security camera footage and identified earlier recordings of howard wilson lurking nearby then riding his by towards their house after howard. Slung the gate open. He peddled away briskly to the corey green social club where he would ask several people. Weird questions about denise two women at the social club were so concerned by howard's conduct that they called denise to let her know what was going on as howard was walking out of the social club. Denise was walking in she said quote. I realized i'd seen him before it was the fellow that stopped me eight years ago. I said to him. Why can't you leave me alone. When do you want from me. Why are you harassing me. He had his head down and carried on walking. I feel really anxious. And i knew i was in for a long night of no sleep and quote when giving her victim impact statement. She said quote the fact that i do not know his intentions worries me. Why would someone attend my home address in the dark to sit and watch from the other side of the road at felt the same way on this occasion as i did back in two thousand eight ron howard kept leaving things outside my address and knocking on my door running to speak to me. I'm still on edge now. If i see a car or person walking past that i don't know my mind starts racing as to what could be going on. What worries me the most is that i believe howard to be unpredictable. What can you do next. I'm constantly thinking about the ifs and buts as i do not know what he is capable of or what. He may decide to do next to me or my family. I understand that he has to be released at some point. I'm concerned he will come back and start terrorizing me. Or if he can't get at me will he. Start terrorizing my lads. I really feel. He should be tagged so his movements can be monitored. And the safety of my family can be insured. I just wish you would leave me alone. So i can get on with my life. I've had enough to worry about and just want to enjoy my family. Life in quote howard was sentenced to twenty six weeks. And i haven't been able to find anything to imply that. He stalked or harassed her. Since if i'm wrong about that please. Someone let me know and i'll clear it up in the beginning of the next episode and twenty seventeen jon. Venables was arrested yet again for one thousand one hundred sixty pictures of child abuse and videos that were discovered on his laptop with almost four hundred that were considered to be in the category of depraved. For this he was sentenced to only three years and four months in prison and twenty. Eighteen reports came out that john could get taxpayer. Funded plastic surgery to further protect. His anonymity mr bolger wrote to the probation and parole boards before the hearing demanding to know if venables has received plastic surgery. Ralph spoke to the mirror saying quote taxpayers. Money should not be spent giving a monster protection with a new face. There are plenty of great causes to spend public money on changing venables. Face is not one of them. End quote growth backed. by james's uncle. Jimmy did fight to get the anonymity order that protects. John lifted because john is a repeat offender however they wouldn't do it. Ralph has also been told that. John is furious that he had to be in jail when he thought he was going to be released in town for christmas. Ralph said quote. My child never saw a christmas beyond his second birthday. And i hope venables rots in his cell for the rest of his days and quote in march of twenty twenty. It was reported that. James mom denise spoke about what marked his thirtieth birthday quote it will mark. What would have been james's birthday and it's a big one coming up. In march he would have been thirty. So that's going to be a special one for us. I think celebration is the wrong word. I've always said mark. I'll be marking. What would have been james's birthday. It's a lovely night. Everyone smiles on their faces. You wouldn't think that the person that it is four is not in that room because he is in that room. Even if it's just a picture he is still in that room and quote. September of tourney. Tourney jon venables was denied parole. James's mother denise and now husband stuart say they can rest easy knowing he is still in prison. Jon venables would generally be released after twenty months but he has a life license that means to confront the parole board before he is released and he is on parole until he dies. James's dad ralph was happy with the decision and told the mirror quote. This is the first time ever that the right decision has been made regarding my son's killers. I'm so relieved. Because i was convinced he was getting out just as he has done before he may not stay in jail forever but just knowing he is behind bars means children are safe from him for at least another. Two years in quote robert thompson hasn't caused any problems since his two thousand one release and has been in a relationship with another man and has shown remorse for his actions. Some of the things. He has said our oddly worded but at least he doesn't seem to be a threat to society also. There are huge issues that need to be addressed. This was and is a complete and utter injustice. The fact that john has been given to secret identities continues to show interest and not only children which is horrible enough but abused children. He's depraved with everything he has done. After the murder of james he was able to remain. Anonymous it's fair to james his family or the public safety of others for now yes. He is imprisoned as we know but what will happen in the years to come if he gets out will they have another new identity and if there's even a chance of that we need to look into ways to change it as a lot of us say this from the outside looking in at definitely feels like laws care more about the life of a murderer who remained a pedophile more than the lives of children around him. Which to me just isn't right. Something needs to be done about it. I do have some things that i want to say. That our personal experiences and feelings. If you don't wanna hear that please skip ahead a few minutes. I think a huge take away from this story for me personally. As i'm sure we all have personal takeaways from this. Is that a have a four year. Old cousin who is autistic and his brother is almost ten. This case has made me even more cautious and aware of what's happening around them. It isn't just adults capable of these horrific things that i often tell you all about it can be children and i think that's even more terrifying away. We wanna think that all children know better and wouldn't dare do something like this. We have to face the fact that it can happen and it does happen. We have to emotionally and mentally. Soak that in when we hear stories such as this tragic one. I think we can all take things away from these cases and learn something even if it's just one part of the story that turns that little light bulb on your mind and you think i never thought about that there's always something to learn from these sad occurrences why guy said my four year. Old cousin has autism and he can communicate a little but it's not always the best the thought of someone taking advantage of that has made me cry myself to sleep especially thinking another child could take that split few seconds that apparent is distracted to lure them away and do something evil to take advantage of a child's innocence. As one of the most horrible things that i feel like could happen in this world and it happens more often than i usually write about for so many reasons. It's much harder to talk about children and babies that have had pure malevolence done to them. I recognize that their stories need to be told more because this is a major issue and needs to be addressed more often than it is and affects of us. You cannot think this could never be you or someone you love it absolutely can and i will definitely start doing more cases much like this one and telling those stories throughout the future. I know some people can't handle hearing it because it is so tough to listen to but it's also about educating people. How can we make this world a safer place for the children in our lives and opens up the conversation for that. I don't think every single one of us talks to our children about the dangers of being online enough or as soon as they're old enough to understand. We need to talk to them about why. They shouldn't stray away from their parents. Or whoever is taking care of them at the time these are sometimes hard talks to have with children and toddlers. I will include rings in the show notes of websites that are there to help us navigate these difficult conversations. Also my four year. Old cousins brother will be turning ten soon. I'll look at him. And i think to myself. He doesn't have a main bone in his body. Even if he did have a problem with anger or signs of withdrawing socially or anything. That isn't like a child's typical behavior may be should be that something that would most certainly be addressed and taking care of even if that means getting professionals involved at the end of the day we can't predict what any child or grown adult will do. And i totally get that however we can do all we can to steer them down the right path. I think there's such a stigma about their be and general for adults that we think children don't need their to allah back and thank you know. Wow i could have actually gained a lot from therapy around that age because of the bullying i went through at school talking to my parents about it helped a little but not a lot. I went through a lot of it on my own. Maybe i'll kids. Should have a counselor or therapist tall to maybe we need to have that discussion within our families. My cousin that's almost ten essentially positive light in this world even though he's not in a picture perfect home at all and he sometimes struggles with that which a lot of children in this world do and they don't do awful things like john and robert thankfully he and i can have these open conversations about anything that he's going through he so smart not only academically but he totally understands the conversations we have. I always let him know that no matter what he can come and talk to me without judgment and without him. Having to be nervous or scared. I make sure that he knows that i am his safe place if he ever needs anything if the news is on and here's about crimes that have taken place he'll ask. How could anyone do that or what with someone do that. It bewilders him. He is the same age as the two of those boys were and he has the same reaction as we all do about crimes and murder that he over hears the news is on it makes me wonder how can not one but two ten year olds do this. I can't wrap my mind around it to this day. We don't know a motive me and my mother. We were talking about this and she had so many questions. And i couldn answer any of them. Hearing ten year old. John and roberts interrogation were scary and sad at the same time anytime i felt that sadness. I had to remind myself. These ten year olds premeditated this. They had allegedly plan this for a long time. I can't comprehend. That denisa said that she didn't want them to spend their whole lives for but had they spent time in an adult jail instead of feeling like they basically only got a slap on the wrist. It would have felt like some kind of justice which i do agree with. I think the parents james might agree. That one jon venables want on to show the behavior that he did and repeated it multiple times that luxury of having a private identity should have been stripped away from him. He's a total deviant. Who should not be roaming about in public. He shouldn't have access to computers or any way to communicate with children all of this that he was able to have after he got in trouble. The first time for child porn shouldn't have been allowed. That in itself is not justice. It only served him in a positive way. Not anyone else around him. That's for sure. The fact that sometimes the law seems to cater more to pedophile rather than cater to and care about. The safety of our children is a failure of the justice. System in la is a see this going around in my own state. Something has to change understand that. His identity was concealed because of the murder when he was ten but now he has repeatedly done disgusting things. That shouldn't allow him to keep that identity hidden any longer if and when he is free again. It's so important to note that. When jon venables was out in public people went to prison and some were sued for showing pictures of him in public and releasing his new name. Even an actress christina malone was given an eight-month suspended prison sentence for posting. John's identity on facebook so if he does get out. I'd suggest as badly as you may want to not to do anything like that to get yourself in trouble at this system fails and he gets another new identity. My heart goes out to the bolger. And fergus families for their loss to leave this on a much happier note however denise announced on twitter back in may of this year that she was becoming a grandmother missed. A niece posted a picture of a little baby. Onesie that said coming soon. baby fergus. Do and twenty tourney with two baby footprints with hearts on the bottom of the feat there was also a picture of the ultrasound decided the picture so precious she and her husband. Stuart congratulated her twenty six year old son maki and his partner leeann mc pad as they relished in the good news. I am so happy for the families in. Send my congratulations to all of them. I also want to play a clip of denise talking to bay tv liverpool about the james bolger memorial. Trust by the time it was coming up to should have been james. He's eighteenth birthday. You started thinking that it was time to remember him in a tangible way with some kind of charitable work after a false start with the one china sea. You decided to up the janesville. Jim memorial trust. Tell us about china. Sea does and why are you so keen on it because if you know warehouse with charleston i was involved in you know a promised people. A james bolger holson. I thought that's you know. I'm going to give people because i like keeping so my promises. So yup as he sides with talks but we finally shipped and the boys you know would they still be well and said help me along with it and the only creedon besides that that'd be go out and get teams bolger hosts open while i'm the story of how this is fascinating. We're here up. James bolger house. Now tell us. What was the china's he does i. Well we give free policies from kids could see were going to be volume consumers. You mellon societies. June mount school name but with just opened so badly in kids. You have to care for patients all siblings. There was just little things that we give realities to an unnecessarily placed in little area for the kids to ban the way you came by this kind of animus quite fascinating i believe it was donated by well wishers originally. Tell us about we. We have a lot away on it yet in this a by lazy subtlest chief. Both this house in the kind of those bertelsmann pass on. Hey she seen madonna race for james she on granada reports and she decides that she wants to donate the caravan tools on double komo. Both him is a bit of a sad story that she lost it was. It was hard to take this kind of on off apple. She really insist on his. When you did a lot of work to refurbish it. And i believe the curtains that we see around here and being made by your offer. Hamster never got knows gun. Ri tries to save money obviously kittens on chief these days and an buying them. Because there's all different size wins zanu being a bit awkward. Get the sizes though about bortles material on suss on this floor and caught them all often system over there is no thank you so much for listening to this episode as always stay safe and hug the kids in your life. Tell them how much you loved them until next time. I love you guys

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3: James "Whitey" Bulger (Part 1)

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3: James "Whitey" Bulger (Part 1)

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Bolger would remain on the lam for the next sixteen years eventually. earning himself. A spot on the f. b. i.'s. Top ten most wanted fugitives list whitey. Who preferred to be called. Jim had been involved in a series of crimes from racketeering to money laundering to extortion and complicity and nineteen murders. But in the end it was bulger's right hand. Man kevin weekes who gave him up to authorities and fbi handler. Wise john connolly who he is actually still in jail was corrupt handle and he was the one in notified. Kevin notified jimmy and jimmy went on the run and he stayed on the run for sixteen years and he was eventually captured in two thousand eleven in santa monica. During the time that jim belgian was on the run he Connected with kevin to a different tines. Easy because kevin was being watched hide stanley by colle- spy. Fbi they were helicopters that were flying over his house trying desperately to find you and they knew that kevin would be linked and he was. This is mafia james wardi bolger. Junior was born september. Third nineteen twenty nine to a low income family in everett massachusetts. When he was young his family moved to south boston where he would grow up and start getting into trouble on the streets. Allegedly the nickname. Whitey came from police who saw his white blonde hair all too often and started referring to him based on that growing up on the streets as the son of an irish emigrant what he linked up with a local street gang who dubbed themselves. The shamrocks during this time with the group bolger would be arrested for. Assault larceny forgery and armed robbery. He was finally sent away to juvenile detention where he would spend several years until his release in nineteen forty eight he then joined the united states air force but was quickly back to his old ways he would end up in military prison for multiple assaults and even went awol absent without leave which he was caught for. Despite all these instances bolger was honorably discharged from the military in nineteen fifty two in nineteen fifty six. He was convicted of hijacking a vehicle and ended up in a few different federal prisons including atlanta leavenworth lewisburg and alcatraz after his release bolger would claim that while in the atlanta penitentiary. He was used as a human test. Subject in the. Cia sponsored mk l. tra- program. Some prisoners were given the hallucinatory drug. Lsd and monitored in return for shorter prison sentences while he was imprisoned in atlanta in nineteen fifty six. He'd gone to prison for dry truck hijacking but while he was there he was part of an experiment. In lsd experiment. That was called the k. Altro program to research mind control for the cia and eighteen months in order to get a reduced sentence. He was subjected to this. Lsd geoff. schumacher is the vice president of exhibits and programs for the mob museum in las vegas. He was injected with lsd. As part of this secret cia program to try to create a mind control weapon. Believe it or not. This is not science fiction. This is really did happen. And every week while he received an injection for fifteen months and the effects of this weekly. Lsd ejection were devastating. He had terrible hallucinations and dreams and he came out of there with a real problem with insomnia and obviously nightmares for the rest of his life. And some people have attributed the lsd experiments to what came later in other words. He became this killer and really sociopath. Kevin absolutely assures me that that is one of the reasons. Jimmy became so violent and that he could suddenly turn on. Someone in myrtle was a release for him that his mind was never the same. Jim had horrendous nightmare Screaming in horrible visions in his mind and that they felt that was something that had affected him for the rest of his life. I think the seeds of that were in him with. Lana before the lsd experiments. It's pretty clear. He had turned to a life of crime before they ever rejected him after his release in nineteen sixty five bolger in with another local gang. This time a south boston irish american gang known as the kaleen gang at the time they were in the middle of a gang war. It was with this gang. That whitey committed his first homicide. It's speculated that what he knew he was on the losing side of the gang war and so he switched sides joining the winter hill gang soon after the leader of this gang was arrested for fixing horse races and whitey into power. This is where he met. Fellow mobsters kevin weeks and stephen fleming then in nineteen seventy nine them to heal gang leaders were busted and this horse race fixing deal and happened. Why basically filled another void. He became really the boss of the whole thing and at that point. The whole irish mob in in boston really revolved around whitey. Bolger and steve fleming. These guys were partners going way back. They really took charge of the whole thing. Phyllis karas is a writer and retired journalism. Professor and the author of kevin weekes biography. She has worked with weeks extensively to get the full and accurate story of his life by connection with whitey. Belgium is mostly true kevin weekes. Who was whitey. Bulger's second commandment man with stephen fleming. I wrote kevin's book brutal. Which was the untold story of my life inside whitey. Bulger's irish mob. And kevin weeks was connected with whitey for twenty. Five years. was his closest confidant. From the time that kevin was eighteen years old until the trial of whitey bulger in two thousand twelve. They were totally connected. But what no one knew was that bolger was an fbi informant and had been since around nineteen seventy four. He knew that the fbi was giving them information. That kevin had no idea that. Jim belgium was also giving the fbi information on certain people that actually ended up being killed at the belgium mob. But bolger wasn't the only one with a secret his right hand man. Stephen fleming had also been informing the fbi of mob proceedings since the mid sixty s along with fleming bolger had a corrupt fbi agent on his side. The man who is secretly feeding him information was john connolly whom bolger new personally from growing up in south boston. John was actually raised. Same housing project in south boston that jim kelch was two of them. Were neighbors accept that. John was twenty younger. And actually your members once that he was kid nice cream cone and someone kind of took his was taking this ice cream. Comb away from women. Suddenly jim bolger appeared and beat up the kid that was trying to steal john's ice cream cone and john nimick almost he was just a bachelor with this man. He thought this amazing. When some fellow modest were indicted in nineteen seventy nine. Bolger got off scot free due to connolly's stepping in an alka chest and then of course. When he was released from prison he did not go to jail for like thirty five years despite all these crimes and there was always that thought that of course it was an fbi informant. And that's what kept him out of than they thought. Maybe his brother. Billy belgium usa president of the state senate might be doing something but it was mostly the fbi. That was keeping him out. They needed him on the street more than they wanted in prison. After what he got out of jail he found himself right in the middle of his old turf war all over again when he came out of when he came out of alcatraz. We've been a tremendous gang war between the killeen in the mullins. The two irish mobs and they were renewed killing each other at the time. And jim got into it at that period and he became he was a colleen and there was assassination. Who said oh my god that was such crime fighting between them and it was just that he came out of prison and he got a job as a janitor. One wasn't was looking for crime again in crime all before you gone to jail exclusive gang war and he just a good fighter and so he was kind of smack in the middle of it but unfortunately every war has its casualties including innocent people who had nothing to do with the fight itself mechanical. They wanted to murder him and they set a jimmy off to kill him and actually mechanical was clean but whatever he had been doing to stop the ring so they decided he had to be killed. They gave the job to jimmy and he him the only problem was that instead of killing. Holly they killed donald instead. Who was aligarh biding citizen. They shot him. That was whether in the nineteen eighties. Bolger was now working the boston records and as an informant. He was able to do so. Without fear of getting caught with this newfound freedom he continued working mob jobs killing those in his way and interestingly keeping certain drugs off the street allegedly he hated heroin and made sure that local dealers weren't getting their hands on any so they did a lot with drugs. There was a lot of constantly trying to intimidate anybody that seemed to be coming into their territory. If there was another drug person that was setting up something in south boston. They made sure that they left a lot of intimidation. It was certainly begs. that were robbed. The drug business became much more central to it. When jimmy took over he he just controlled at all and that was a huge source of money. And you know. We didn't allow them to sell drugs to children. Were certain drugs cocaine certain angel dust. He did not allow so he changed in that respect. But it wasn't just about making money. Bolger wanted to help out his people. The locals in the area can says. This is true that you know he. He took care of people in south boston at there. Were people that needed help. That there was a family whose daughter was being bothered by some drug people or whatever mainland in practice. Beat the crap out of those guys that were bothering her. A couple of people that needed money older people. He was very generous with drop off groceries. Drop off checks. Lotta people healthy robinhood robinhood. not only. Was he helping those in need. But when the news broke that bolger was arrested. Later on. People were heartbroken. All all felt that when he was arrested that that was terrible. You know they love him. He did good things if gave money to the schools. Oh my god it was such an anti busing person at typically blew up buildings in schools when judge garrity did. The enforced integration schools. Bolger was strongly against busing in the seventies people in the boston. Public school system called for desegregation of schools as many were still majority white or black. The compulsory busing plan made it so that children of different family incomes were bused to schools in other districts. This plan was met with opposition from both parties involved. Black people were unsafe in these majority white schools as they were often attacked and harassed and white people just picked up and moved also known as white flight to the suburbs. It failed miserably. Edit caused enormous enormous problems kids didn't wouldn't go to school. There was a whole class of it the rest of the class of nineteen seventy-two that never graduated from south boston high because it was so much violence ahead to bring in the state police because it was so many fights that were breaking out him and the black kids would come on. These buses walks would be thrown at them. Jim belgium was against it. And stephen fleming end. Kevin went out of their way to do everything they could to disrupt it to at the time kevin was high school and he was one of the ones that was throwing the rocks and doing all those things in his two in the busing. Someone set fire to an elementary school in wellesley massachusetts. Some say it was bolger others say it was fleming and weeks. This was done to send a message to the. Us district court judge who was in support of this buzzing desegregation plan later bolger and another associate with toss a molotov cocktail bomb into the birthplace of president. John f kennedy to send a message to his brother. Ted kennedy who also supported the busing desegregation plan steady clemmie and heaven set fire to elementary school in wellesley in judge garrity. The one who ordered the busing in his town said prior to the school they were never convicted of a but everyone knows they did it. They placed a bomb near john. Kennedy's birthplace but it was discovered in time. 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The patriarch has were sort of a local rival to the winter hill gang but thanks to bolger's secret. Fbi involvement the winter hill gang usually got let off the hook more often than their rivals. However just because bolger had friends in high places that didn't mean local law enforcement were so easily swayed. They saw right through the facade and new bolger was up to something in nineteen ninety-four state and local police worked together to gather as much as they could about bolger and his dealings. They were sure to not let the fbi in on their plan as they rightly had a feeling they were not to be trusted. However word got out and john connolly heard about the mounting evidence against whitey in one last act of goodwill towards him connolly warned kevin weekes who warned bolger of what was to come why di was able to escape just in time as his colleagues were all arrested. But it didn't stop there. The government was now set on finding bulger and putting him behind bars. Bolger fled with his then. Girlfriend theresa stanley phyllis charissa writer and retired journalism. Professor and the author of kevin weekes. Biography took off at that time. It was just a rico indictment and they didn't think that was gonna stand that they thought it would fall through. So when theresa in jim belgium's took off. They thought they'd be back. Maybe three months or so and in the whole indictment thing would collapse is most of the type of diamonds against him had in the past however this one did not use when continued goose stronger but stanley had life and family of her own and wasn't cut out for life on the run. Jim brought theresa back to boston on february. Fourteenth was actually valentine's day and kevin gave him the woman that would stay on the run with jim voucher for so many years and that was cathy craig because even though he was jim was mostly living with theresa he also had another very serious relationship and that was with cathy. Craig kevin weekes remembers it as a sort of swap. The scene that kevin creates the night that they made the exchange. That theresa stanley a dropped off at her house in south boston and then he went to the park to a nearby pack where cathy craig was waiting shoulder bag over her shoulder and Very head brought that many things with her in the car with kevin then drove her to meet jim. She was very loyal woman to him and she truly loved him and she'd never believed any of the stories about jim. Bolger being a murderer. She knew he did some bad things as she knew he was into the mob but she never believed. She still doesn't to this day believe that he was really as bad as she honestly was. Bolger was always extremely careful on the run but would sometimes act out in bold ways whenever kevin would meet the two of them like new york one particular time he evaded. The police seek took so many different cars eventually got to the train station. And then jim the new york grand central kevin mit jim and kathy and they just took off for the afternoon it was. It was incredible. They were looking for japanese restaurant. That jim wanted kevin to see and he said they walking down the streets of manhattan looking like you know a typical threesome. Nothing about them that extraordinary at that time. Of course nez wanted me in on the run and we couldn't find the restaurant he actually stopped s. Two policemen where it was in the policemen walk them to the restaurant in. Jim always said you know you just at normal and nobody will notice you. And he did and That was perfectly fine visit but bolger's life on the run couldn't last forever in the next episode. What followed the bust was a sixteen year pursuit in which bolger was on the run fleeing across the us crossing the border to canada and even being reported seen in london england he would eventually earn a spot on the fbi ten most wanted fugitives list but as long kept secret would eventually come out. He was an fbi informant and soon the world would know he said to kevin when they come for you. Give me up. And it was kind of strange statement and kevin didn't pay that much attention but he had strange feeling something was really off and sure enough about three months later. It was announced that jim bolger was a fbi informant. This has been mafia an audio boom original series hosted by me fleet cooper it is produced by audio booms. Lauren vogel blair payton pam boroughs karen bevan and rachel jacobs executive producers audio. Boom are brendan regan and stewart last special thanks to phyllis karasin geoff schumacher for providing expert insight for this episode. 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The Gardner Museum Heist Pt. 2

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The Gardner Museum Heist Pt. 2

"Due to the graphic nature of this story listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of violence and murder that some may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for listeners under thirteen eighty one in the early nineteen nineties. British art dealer antonio alburto jota traveled to the upscale neighborhood of coconut grove in miami florida. He wanted to visit the local antiques. Fair it always proved eventful and this time didn't disappoint a balding man with white blonde hair approached. Marta speaking in hushed tones with a thick boston accent. The man asked if he'd be interested in buying some of the most prized art in existence. Painting stolen from the isabella. Stewart gardner museum more. Jota was taken aback and intrigued. He was no stranger to the world of stolen antiques. But this was something different. The largest of its kind. The highest had sent shockwaves through the art world. He couldn't imagine the asking price ten million dollars. The man said after marjo to countered one million dollars. The blonde man recoiled and ended the conversation. He wasn't interested in negotiating but before walking away. Marjo esque the seller his name. Somehow one of america's most violent gangsters became involved in its largest artist. Because the man responded. Whitey bolger welcome to unexplained mysteries as original from podcast. I'm your host molly. And i'm your host richard. Every tuesday and thursday we examine history's most compelling mysteries. You can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts. This is our second episode on the gardner museum. Heist the largest art theft in world history. The case has remained unsolved for over thirty years and the paintings are still missing last week. We examined the museum break in and robbery. We walked through the thieves. Methods and discussed the fbi's initial hunt to find the culprits. This week we'll dive deeper into the decades long investigation and examine how the case became enmeshed in the grimy world of boston organized crime. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is to you by uk g when your employees feel supported when they feel connected when they feel appreciated your business becomes more than a place of work it becomes a work of art and you can g can help you create your masterpiece. You cagey our purpose. Is people. Learn more at uk. Cheap dot com. This episode is brought to you by the real cost. And the fda wanna hear the short scary story ever vaping can put toxic metals like nickel lead and chromium in your lungs. That's metal in your lungs. The end read more about the dangers of vaping on the real cost dot gov this episode is brought to you by instead instead is a lawn. Care that's metro instead created great backyard without harsh chemicals. Just natural ingredients that work. It's that simple instead the better way to lawn instead go to choose instead dot com to find your plan and get ten percent off with promo code spotify at two forty five. Am on march. Eighteenth nineteen ninety. Two thieves snuck out the side door of the gardner museum in boston massachusetts. They carried over two hundred million dollars worth of world famous art it took two trips to get their plunder loaded into their hatchback parked outside once finished. They drove off into the misty boston night. And haven't been seen since this day. The thieves have never been brought to justice. According to the fbi's art crime team in cases like this identifying the culprits is secondary to recovering the actual artwork. But that hasn't been accomplished either. The location of the missing paintings has remained a mystery for over thirty years in one thousand nine hundred ninety six. Fbi agent. Neil cronin took over the gardner heist case after six years of work. The investigation established that thieves were likely associated with local gangs so to locate the paintings. Cronin descended into the dangerous world of boston organized crime in particular. He focused on carmelo malino a low level criminal associated with the boston mafia four years earlier after being arrested on a drug charge marlena claimed he had information on the stolen gardner paintings. He tried to leverage this knowledge in exchange for a shorter sentence at the time. The fbi didn't take no seriously but after taking over the investigation cronin circle to marino's claims and put the heists possible mafia connections under a microscope. If molyneaux had information the thieves were likely old. Associates cronin looked for members of marino's gang who fit the profile of the robbers and found a match. George rice felder a small time crook. Rice felder made national news in the seventies after serving sixteen years in prison for a murder he didn't commit. He was exonerated but he returned to his criminal ways in boston with reckless. Abandon in addition to matching one of the burglars physical description provided by the museum's security guards. Rice felder owned a red hatchback car similar to the one eye. Witnesses saw the night of the heist and his friend. Leonard muccio fellow. Petty thief fit the description of the second. rubber rice. elder siblings also told investigators. They'd seen a painting similar to one of the gardner pieces. Adewale menes shake tour. Tony hanging brazenly in their brother's bedroom but the fbi wasn't ever able to question rice felder less than a year after the heist he died of a drug overdose. Investigators suspected foul play but they officially ruled his death. An accident due to lack of evidence. That same here leonard dimaggio. The second suspected robber was killed. Shot dead and dumped in the trunk of a car. Unfortunately no one was arrested for his murder and the fbi. I never found evidence connecting the death to the gardner heist so it could have been the boston. Mob tying up jeans or it could have been coincidence either way it change the fact that b. to best leads were dead. At least they were left with one. Major suspects still alive. Another member of merlin knows gang named david turner. The fbi had been surveilling turner for years and tracking his involvement in arms dealing drug smuggling and robberies. They suspected turner took part in several mob. Hits including killing leonard. Damasio never found enough evidence to convict him of any violent crimes so he remained active in the underworld as early as nineteen ninety-two turner's name popped up in the fbi's case files on the gardner heist multiple informants reportedly told investigators. He'd acted as one of the thieves but his fingerprints didn't match those found at the museum. Turner also had an alibi at the time of the highest credit card rental car records. An corroborating accounts placed him in fort. Lauderdale florida more than fifteen hundred miles away. He was apparently picking up a shipment of cocaine. Because of this investigators initially dismissed his participation in the highest but agent cronin pointed to a discrepancy. The social security listed on the rental car records didn't actually belong to turner and someone else could have used his credit card in florida while he remained in boston. In fact the transaction may have even been premeditated for the express purpose of giving turner alibi to learn the truth. The fbi needed to bring him in for questioning on february seventh. Nineteen ninety nine. David turner's sat in the passenger seat of a red honda accord. His associate steven rosetti slowly drove the car around the trc auto and electric shop in dorchester massachusetts. They were patiently waiting for their boss. Are mellow malino to appear the intended to rob a local armored car depot a major operation that could result in a windfall of more than fifty million dollars that the morning wasn't going according to plan molina was supposed to be outside the shop at six thirty. Am sharp with every passing minute. Turner and rosetti grew increasingly anxious. They were in a vulnerable position. They loaded the car with enough firepower to take on an entire police force including five pistols a rifle bullet proof vests and a grenade if arrested. They'd face serious charges. Possession of the grenade alone could spell decades behind bars fifteen minutes after the scheduled pickup time turner and rosetti decided to leave. They couldn't shake the feeling that something was wrong and they were right as soon as rosetti turned the car away from the repair shop. A pair of issue these appeared from around the corner and slammed into their vehicle. A squad of fbi officials including agent. Neil cronin emerged guns drawn after placing turner and rosetti in handcuffs. The agents brought them to the fbi building in downtown boston and they place turner in an isolated room for interrogation turner expected to be questioned about the robbery. His relationship with carmelo merlene. Oh and the inner workings of the boston mafia but instead investigators asked him about a crime that occurred almost a decade earlier. The heist that the isabella stewart gardner museum agent cronin took the lead claiming the fbi had physical evidence and statements. Proving turner committed theft. He even offered the gangster a deal. If he handed over the paintings he'd make any armed robbery charges disappear. Turner called cronin's bluff and refused to confess. He maintained his story. He'd been in florida at the time and didn't know anything about the heist even if he did he wouldn't snitch. Mobsters operated under their own code of ethics and they swore to never talk to the fbi so prosecutors moved forward with armed robbery charges grown in hoped. Some time in prison would convince the gangsters to talk any information. They had on the gardner. Highest might be exchanged for a lighter sentence but each one maintain their story. They didn't know anything whether this was true or not. The case stalled at the turn of the twenty first century until an independent investigator entered the fray someone less constrained by the red tape of an official law enforcement agency coming up. One of the world's most famous art detectives takes on the case the internet. What would we do without it so much information so little time and yet with all the answers available online. They're still lie. Scores of deep dark spooky secrets mysteries yet to be solved until now this isn't clicked. This is our exclusive new. Podcasts internet urban legends. I'm lowey your evidence expert. And i'm eleanor the self-proclaimed skeptic together where the gruesome twosome sleuths in search of the weirdest stories on the web. Every tuesday we investigate the internet's creepiest conundrums covering each conspiracy. Theory and combing through every clue two separate hoax from haunt whether it's the video shore to make you lose your appetite blank room sue or every kid's worst nightmare the terrifying truth behind disney's deaths or every parent's worst nightmare. Social media's momo challenge each episode of internet early legends is chock full of disturbing details which are either truly demented or right debunking and no matter. Our conclusion were sure to be left. Scared half to death. So won't you join us. Follow our newest spotify original from podcast internet urban legends. listen free and exclusively on spotify. It's the chilling story of one girl. Who suddenly goes missing and another girl. Mysteriously takes over her life from executive producer. Jessica biel comes the new psychological thriller that will have you obsessed the free form original series cruel summer kate wallace girl everybody idolized until she vanishes without a trace genetic turner's the girl. Nobody noticed who steals her life taking her best friends her boyfriend. Everything becoming the new kate wallace told over three years in nineteen ninety-three nineteen ninety four in one thousand nine hundred five and shown from each girl's perspective and alternating episodes cruel. Summer will leave you torn between who to believe in what the truth even looks like the deeper you go into the mystery behind the disappearance of kate. Wallis more secrets you uncover. The more lies are exposed and the darker it gets in this twisted tale. The truth is how you see it. Free forms cruel summer now streaming on hulu now back to the story. After ten years the fbi's investigation into the nineteen ninety gardner museum highest seemed to reach a standstill but as it did renowned art detective herald. Smith breathed new life into the case a larger than life. Personality smith had the physical appearance to match after skin. Cancer took his right eye and some cartilage in the face he wore an inch and a prosthetic nose but he let nothing stand in his way. Smith spent nearly four decades tracking down stolen artwork from all over the world. Mostly if lloyd's of london and insurance company but he had no motive to get involved in the gardner museum case. The artwork hadn't been insured so there was no company to hire him and the museum didn't reach out independently for years. He followed the case from afar and grew frustrated with its lack of progress until finally in the year. Two thousand smith decided to throw his hat in the ring. Solving the largest art heist of all time would be the perfect way to end his long career. smith new. The highest was fading from public memory and hoped his minor celebrity. Could shed some new light. On the case the first action he took was to contact journalists filmmakers and tv producers to get the story back out in the world above all else he wanted to remind everyone including the thieves that there was a five million dollar reward for anyone who could help locate the stolen art like the fbi before him he started a toll. Free tip line and website and in no time. He found himself inundated with leaves. Most of them were fake. People trying to cash in on the reward but smith kept detailed records of every one and dug deeper into anything that seemed promising. He worked ten hours a day every day. On the case the seventy four year old one to locate the lost paintings if it was the last thing he ever did. Smith's efforts eventually led him to an eccentric conman and petty criminal named william young worth the third who said he had crucial information on the heist. Young worth had made this claim before both to the press and the fbi in fact three years earlier in nineteen ninety-seven. He brought a boston herald reporter to a storage facility in brooklyn and allegedly showed him one of the stolen rembrandt paintings. But while the reporter believed the painting was real the fbi. Didn't smith new. The conman couldn't have been one of the thieves himself. Young worth had been in prison at the time of the heist but for reasons. That aren't entirely clear. He believed young worth either. Had real information on the whereabouts of the paintings or knew who did in time smith formed a rapport with young worth. He even sent him cash in exchange for continuing conversations. He promised to keep them confidential away from the prying eyes of the fbi over the course of their correspondence young worth allegedly told smith if those involved in the heist were offered blanket. Amnesty the artwork could be returned immediately of course in order to make any kind of deal happen. Smith needed proof. So we asked young worth to supply paint chips to verify that he had access to the actual rembrandt's and premieres young worth clammed up at the request. In addition to providing no evidence he grew paranoid and even accused smith of working with the fbi to frame him for the crime. In no time the spool started to unravel young. Worth's claims became increasingly contradictory in their first conversations. Young with claimed the robbers committed the crime on behalf of the yakuza a japanese transnational crime syndicate. But he eventually changed his story to blame a band of local bank robbers and at least once he implied he'd planned to heist himself. Young worth also waffled on the location of the paintings. Most of the time he claimed they were in new york but sometimes he mentioned the artwork had been smuggled out of the country smith anticipated inconsistencies and exaggerations and for some reason he still believe there was truth to the griffey's claims possibly because the boston globe reporter. Once vouched for the rembrandt painting but his patience was wearing thin. Smith gave young worth one last chance. He delivered an ultimatum. Young worth needed to provide proof of the paintings location and that they were real or smith would remove the reward money and legal immunity from the table. Young responded by demanding fourteen hundred dollars cash to bring smith to the paintings warning that he'd be unable to contact the outside world for the duration of the long arduous trip. This was the final straw. It was time to move on back at square. One smith turned his attention on an infamous art thief named miles connor. The fbi previously ruled him out as a suspect because he was in jail at the time of the highest but in the nineteen seventies. Connor stole a rembrandt painting from the boston. Museum of fine arts over the course of his long criminal career. Connor stole art from the metropolitan museum in new york broke into the smithsonian and swipe chinese speakers from the forbes house museum by the time smith tracked him down over a decade later. Connor was out of prison in supposedly retired from his life of crime but it also suffered a massive heart attack back in nineteen ninety eight at the tail end of his sentence leaving connor with slurred speech physical disabilities and memory problems in the immediate aftermath. He could barely remember anything at all but as he recovered memories started flooding back including memories of the isabela stewart gardner museum heist and now he wanted to talk. Connor reportedly told smith he planned to highest of the gardner museum in the late. Nineteen eighties and he'd recruited one of his friends as an accomplice. Inexperienced criminal named both the deity. He and noddy had apparently made multiple walk. Throughs of the museum. Picking out the exact pieces they wanted to steal. Connor was interested in the chinese speaker. Do not want to the eagle finial atop the flagpole in the short gallery you remember from last time both were stolen in the nineteen ninety heist. The fbi was right. Connor was in prison at the time of the highest. He'd been arrested and convicted of smuggling stolen goods across state lines but according to connor the burglary winning head is planned. Performed by bobby to nadi and a man named david houghton connors version of events added up and he didn't seem to have any motivation to lie but unfortunately smith wasn't any closer to finding the lost art like so many other suspects in the case houten and a naughty were both dead in the summer of nineteen ninety one a little over a year after the heist officials learned. Bobby dough knotty had been murdered. Someone had clubbed over the head stabbed him. Twenty eight times and slit his throat. Similar to leonard muccio. His body was left in the trunk of his car. His murder like the gardner heist remains unsolved a year. Later david houghton died of a heart attack. Of course when you have ties to the mob winding up dead under mysterious. Circumstances isn't necessarily uncommon but five promising suspects dying in the two years after the gardner heist seemed to be more than a coincidence. Some even suspected the case west cursed and in the early two thousands that curse traveled from suspects to investigators in two thousand three seven years after being placed in charge of the investigation if b. i. Agent neil cronin died suddenly in a car accident. Two years later. Harold smith passed from skin cancer at the age of seventy eight. He worked on the gardner case up until the day he died. Never seeing the paintings returned but the reason investigators never found an answer could be because they weren't the only ones looking as it turned out boston. Criminals wanted to get to the bottom of the mystery as well and this included the most dangerous in the city. Whitey culture coming up. Boston's deadliest gangsters for the stolen artwork. This episode is brought to you by uk g at u. k. g. They believe your employees. Make your business and when you're people feel supported connected and appreciated that not only helps make your business better. 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Now it's safer every member of the family when used as directed it's delivered when you need it and really tough to mess up no gimmicks no compromises just results instead a better way too long instead go to choose instead dot com to find your plan and get ten percent off with promo code spotify now back to the story at the time of the gardner museum. Highest in march of nineteen ninety sixty year old. Whitey bolger was at the height of his criminal powers. As leader of the violent winter hill gang. He became one of the most prominent and feared mobsters in south boston smart tough and sadistic he reportedly enjoyed torturing and killing his enemies himself. According to associates in nineteen ninety bolger took an interest in the gardner heist. After all the robbery happens squarely on his turf in south boston so he apparently decided to join the fray and track down the stolen artwork himself as it turned out. Bolger may have found out what investigators hadn't managed to thanks in large part to his connections at the time. Bulger's brother was serving as president of the massachusetts state senate. Besides bolger hadn't even more powerful and by the federal bureau of investigation beginning in one thousand nine hundred seventy five and continuing throughout the eighties. Whitey bolger acted as an informant to the fbi. For the most part he passed them information that could be used against his biggest rival gang. The italian-american fasano stroke in return. The fbi turned a blind eye to some of bulger's criminal behavior for almost two decades. Bolger use the fbi to gain even more power in boston and in nineteen ninety. He wielded that power to find out. Who robbed the gardner museum. There are two primary reasons to steal priceless. Works of art. I money and second leverage whitey. Bolger wanted money because the robbery happened in his neighborhood he believed he was owed tribute meaning a cod of any criminal venture in his territory but more importantly vulgar wanted to use the paintings as hostages more or less due to their incredible value. They could be used as leverage with law enforcement. You'll remember we mentioned a few instances of the fbi sentence reductions in exchange for mere information about the paintings. Bolger could only imagine the cards he would hold if he knew the actual whereabouts of the art so shortly after the robbery bolger reportedly tasked several men with finding the painting will and one of them may have done it in nineteen ninety-two a drug dealer and bolger associate named joe. Murray contacted an ex. Fbi agent. He claimed he had access to the stolen gardner museum paintings but in a matter of weeks murray turned up dead shot at close range by his wife. Possibly at the behest of whitey bolger bolger couldn't afford the fbi finding the pieces and it's likely he was motivated by more than art and money. Bolger possibly wanted the paintings to fight a war. In the late twentieth century the violent conflict in northern ireland known as the troubles reached a boiling point clashes between irish nationalists and united kingdom. Loyalists grew increasingly. violent bombs. gunfights and assassinations rattled. Belfast and london whitey. Bolger son of an irish immigrant was one of many irish american mobsters who became involved for years. He sent money and weapons to his nationalist allies across the pond if he successfully found the gardner paintings some experts theorized that bolger would have sent them overseas to ireland there. They could be used by the ira. As leverage against the british government. irish nationalists had used stolen artwork before nearly two decades prior to the gardner heist a pair of irish nationalists stole nineteen paintings including one by the prize. Baroque painter johannes vermeer from the resper. A house in dublin. The art was worth an estimated twenty million dollars making it one of the largest art heists in history at the time. The thieves attempted to ransom the paintings back to the irish government demanding the release of several. Ira affiliated militants from prison but ultimately the plan philip part and the criminals were arrested. There were two major similarities between the russia house. Heist and the gardner museum heist. I the thieves used disguises to gain entry and second they targeted. Hannah's vermeer painting. Charles hill was a retired detective. Who spent his career recovering. Stolen art for scotland yard. He counted himself among many experts. Who believed the gardner museum. Paintings made their way to ireland. Hill believed whitey. Bolger found the paintings sometime in the early nineties. Though it's possible bolger was involved in the robbery itself hill thought it was more likely that he successfully tracked down the paintings in the aftermath of the heist and sent them over to ireland. Of course it's just a theory. One with only circumstantial evidence and speculation to support it but hill wasn't the only one who suspected whitey bolger was somehow involved in the heist director of the gardner museum. And holly did as well. Holly even approached. Bolger's brothers state. Senator william bolger to see if he could provide any insight when he refused. She tried contacting the catholic pope hoping spiritual pressure might convince that these to return the paintings but her efforts were in vain in nineteen ninety-four whitey bulger's reign in. Boston came to an abrupt end his former ally. The fbi turned on him together. With a number of other federal agencies they combined forces and took down his operations bolger managed to slip away he fled the city and began life as one of the most wanted fugitives in the united states. It took seventeen years but the fbi finally tracked him down in the summer of two thousand eleven the f. b. i. arrested the eighty one year old former kingpin in california. The fbi interrogated bolger about the gardner highest but he provided no information then in two thousand thirteen twenty three years after the heist the agency broke their decades long silence and made a startling announcement in a press conference declared. They finally knew who committed the theft. The thieves were members of an east coast criminal organization. They'd apparently tried to sell the paintings at least once in philadelphia over a decade after the theft. The f. b. i. chose not to release the names so the burglars could have been any combination of bobby. Dotty david houghton. Rubber pte guarantee stephen rosetti david turner or leonard. Leo or someone else entirely as for the paintings. The fbi used the press conference to once again. Put out a call for tips on the whereabouts of the missing artwork. And once again they highlighted the five million dollar reward. This announcement didn't have its desired. Effect many observers reacted with scepticism wondering whether the fbi lied about knowing the thieves. Identities others suggested the fbi's investigation had been a fraud from the very beginning. It was after all the same boston. Division that had been allied with whitey bolger for decades some theorized. The fbi knew that members of the boston mob and potentially whitey bolger himself were involved from the beginning. The only reason they took control of the case was to keep their own association with the mob. A secret in an interview and holly director of the gardner museum called the fbi investigation possibly corrupted and compromised from the start. But like every other theory in the gardner case. There isn't much evidence to support it only speculation. If whitey bolger did know anything. It died with him on october. Thirtieth two thousand eighteen. He was murdered in prison. It's been over thirty years since the heist and the paintings are no closer to being returned than they were on. March nineteenth nineteen ninety empty painting frames. Hang on the walls and the places. Where the rembrandt and vermeer paintings were once displayed. They serve as a visual reminder of what the museum and the art world has lost as years. pass the mystery only becomes more difficult to solve. The gardner museum hasn't given up hope in two thousand seventeen. They doubled the reward. Money to ten million dollars just about making up for inflation. The extra money sparked a new wave of tips and leads one day. The paintings will hopefully return to their empty frames until then the investigation remains ongoing. Thanks again for tuning into unexplained mysteries for more information on the gardner museum. Highest amongst many sources we used. We found the gardner highest by rick. Boza and master thieves. The boston gangsters pooled off the world's greatest art heist by stephen kurkin extremely helpful. To our research you can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries and all others spotify originals from park s for free on spotify. Cnx time and remember never take. We don't no for an answer. Unexplained mysteries is a spotify original from cast. It is executive produced by max and ron cutler. Sound design by. J cohen with production assistance by ron shapiro carly madden and travis clark. This episode of unexplained mysteries was written by ryan lee with writing assistance by connor samson and allie wicker. Fact checking by car. 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AP Headline News Oct 30 2018 18:00 (EDT)

"The. AT radio news. I'm Tim McGuire. President Trump and first lady Melania Trump are met with protesters as they arrived at the Pittsburgh synagogue were eleven worshippers for killed last Saturday. And follow the March. Hamilton, mourning the loss of his good friend, seasonal Rosenthal says Trump's should've stayed away. He came to death. Thank you citizen darter. Should it does waded into entity? Everything's comes down funerals for four the victims held today. There'll be services from now until Friday for all eleven people killed in last Saturday's rampage, Trump in the first lady arrived after today's funerals and lit candles for each of the victims in the synagogues vestibule afterwards at a makeshift memorial of stars of David outside. The Trump Slade white roses as well as stones for each of the dead, Boston mobster once one of the country's most wanted men Whitey Bolger has been found slain in federal prison. Here's the a p's. Ed Donahue, Bolger ruled south Boston legend or people, you know, growing up. He's cool, but Tommy Donahue had a different view scumbag. Actually, he's a mass murderer family Bolger is alleged to kill Donahue's Whitey Bulger led the mob in south Boston and also became an FBI informant. He was on the run since nineteen ninety four but was apprehended sixteen years later, Sean mcgonagall recalled at Bolger sentencing, a call he received when he was twelve years old just call. Christmas time is coming home and ask. What he Bolger had just been transferred to the West Virginia prison and a medical examiner declared him dead shortly after his arrival, I may Donahue the markets continue their roller coaster ride. The Dow up four hundred thirty one points today, while the NASDAQ rose one eleven this is AP radio news. The new ipads are missing the same thing as Apple's new phone. Warren Levinson has more new line of ipads is following the lead of the iphone and ditching the home button vice-president, John Tournus told product introduction in Brooklyn users will be able to turn on the new tablets just by looking at them a feature apple calls face ide- support for phase Eddie might have noticed. There's no longer home button. We'll know home button means all this gestures from the iphone ten now come to the ipad. No home button. Also means more room for display the new tablets are smaller than their predecessors. But with larger screams the company also introduced new max, including a high resolution screen for the macbook air. Warren Levinson, New York NASA says planet, hunting space telescope Kepler has run out of fuel and has gone silent over its nearly ten years in orbit Kepler spotted more than twenty six hundred planets outside the solar system, including up to a dozen rocky world to size, the Vert inside these so-called gold layout goalie Kodaly Kodaly ox, look. I'm Tim McGuire.

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Curragh Classics Review & Barney Curley Remembered

"The final furlough. Podcast is proudly brought to you by toews thank. You can't get better value. Think again ten percent bigger dividends. When you bet your rex topalov set toast dakota. Uk weekend at the curragh where jim bolger for the first time in his lustrous. History as a trainer wins the tattersalls two thousand guineas with a one to an aid. No brian adds yet more. Classic glories his cv with a one two in the irish one thousand guineas at to review it all on the most kennedy in the company of the superstar of irish racing fast becoming superstar mode only a brilliant trainer analyst as well sarah line and welcome back to the show. Thanks for having me. Great to have you back on sarah and great to get your insights to the curragh and maybe some of the whistling sounds that we heard as well because i heard that was fixed on my tv must be posted surely Also joining us is the absolute legend. That is mr roy larvae. Hopefully be here. The jewish new promises. Rory is not well full disclosure. Neither am i or both going to soldier on could just be sarah standing by the time. This podcast finished anywhere. We'll begin with the tattersalls. Irish two thousand guineas. Ed rory and i were really unsure whether or not kara was going to go ahead on saturday and It ended up being run soft too heavy ground Mcsweeney at this stage we all know comes at as the winner for one to for jim. Bolger with bongo doing best of the team sarah. No you weren't there. On kinney's weekend were still in this very frustrating period in ireland. There is news today that they're going to try and try something on friday but we still can't go did really well to even get this meeting to go ahead in the first place but the ground definitely had a big impact the outcome. Yeah at sort of even my sunday when he saw reuters committing covered Writing in Kerr ploughing championships for air Because touts confident acquired over some of the results. I don't think the coach. Kenny and to britain colts fighting isis It's tough when the the second horace is running in three guineas in quick succession and he needed himself go by the way he ran on on sunday. They were improper winners already. Both group winners So like you wonder if i limit grain dependent force He's aridi told for us to come back from the vaccinated in the darby trial and to a night fast Most of all i suppose. Superimposed roy geary. I mean it was hard work rewards. Loyalty rewards Imos behind to be in that yard sometimes watching manning right all of that favorites chances and the likes of martin harley ronin we'd have left yards hope for bigger and better things and it's what he can understand the Nicety someone like roy. You often writes a lot of Isolators or get attached like that and to be honest he was crooning. may running Fractions right and quite easily I suppose can manning's worse. Clued one had. He knocked drifted across the track. I take heaven as property. Regretting opponent is whip through the same time he wouldn't broach rory a winner and Jim bolger everyone's calling genius this weekend called before but just to own breed and train kasich winners regularity at this stage And to be going to the darby which. A chance like bassett's. I was british. It was deserving of the guineas. Because i was worried wynalda the uncertainty decrying that the the races might descend into a base of a potluck Zuber very concerned with that. As well and i think the contingency was that they were going to run it on the on the monday In the end. I would agree with sarah and her. Synopsis of the rory and particularly that view on declare looked to be a little bit awkward towards the finish whereas mcsweeney was much more straightforward. If we need to finish second here that would have been a superb effort from him and a huge step forward towards the fact that these one really cements. He's darby clayton's because jim bolger is first of all is sarah said was adamant that he was wrong after the darrin stone and the you should ignore that run and he is now showing the pace to be able to win a classic. Yes on heavy. Ground self debbie And the shouldn't be any any issues about staying the trip either. So what did you make of the bolger one to. I'm i thought it was tremendous. You know it was good to see that some amount of years but also of his standing could dominate race. Like this he's been he's been absolutely autumn. It was that won a spoken to By these these through the is it could have won the guineas at newmarket. There's the case of deciding which one sound which the mockby bullish on comment to make but he has to Guineas winners yards absolutely nothing between them day. You personal Had kept st louis on. He might just have gotten there but in fairness Hard work He hops to utilize stamina fronts. was very game when he was tackles. Only he fully deserves your the wind but wedding flare As we discussed before you didn't run a slow by the in france just just wasn't dictate By the way that race was run. He's a horse is as the mild very well But can be a little bit free. He needs a a well run rates to show his best form On the of dropped halfway in the guineas he got calls finish. Strowman louis finished safes thing was he said he was. He was only half a length away from from from finishing second that a perfectly good performs not as good as his guineas run but the idea that he was done fifth. David for this on thursday was was a half a foot. A massive overreaction to that london fronts. he's backed up what he did in the guineas at newmarket here. Just ican argue that about that little swerve long which is to sign a time that the three quick runs were maybe just getting him but again they're very few trainers who would have the colonial to run out horse in three guineas in the space of three weeks. A jim bolger pretty much stop. Man aged son video A few years ago nine and she binds to win twin twice between she. Did she not win. The french one thousand guineas and getting noted on the line in the irish one thousand guineas all good question. Anyway i haven't sarah is that the anyway It's break between the races Hero was a nine between newmarket on franz a week. Franson with her. It was the other way ride. She had a four nine between the second and third but the point is That's james not afraid of Of one defeats eight conveyances. Voices almost likely did years ago. You know where you a really good horse and you knew they were. They were going to be after peak For a couple of months early in the season you just turn the mic on the race as you could with him and then they went to the cold in the summer. That's just fine on very getting is back again in the also so jane doesn't do things by anyone else's manual. Don't think jim bolger manual worse once again. Roy did archies correct wins. The one thousand guineas is beaten ahead. Perry longchamp and then wins next car in the irish one. Doesn't you were indeed correct sir with the mighty peeping. I can start as we take a trip down memory lane. They're just before we deal with mcsweeney in terms of poetic flair and what this means for the rest of his season. So these are three absolutely monumental effort. Sarah rory and i talked about it in depth and interesting to get your take on it as well but the french two thousand guineas when he was beaten by saint mark's basilica there I thought he looked a little bit flash but then again rory pointed out that he was finishing very strongly in that race and he's finished very strongly here. Just run a little bit of course and that probably has cost the win in the end He's not favorite for the saint. James palace palestinians saint mark's basilica is. Is it possible that these three runs do what they did to take a little bit too much out of him and and catch up with them or is this just rock solid and really should be favored. The anti post favourite for the saint. James is about a stakes. Because he's the one keeps on coming out and doing it. And we've only seen saint mark's basilica once this year and this probably a slight question mark of it that form. I didn't think he was flat in frantic caused. It was a very tactical fair winner. I declare on and he. I don't think he would beat in the winter. He was caught nepal kazaa to to be stopped and quicken again. French raises can be very stop stars. i think to go on to win a group born again if he was to go to I think that'd be a hard ask. You wouldn't put a pasta. Jim bolger horse bowl. When you even take traveling consideration I'm pretty sure you don't need travel back from nearly ruining in the car I suppose that's why he'd be a bigger price. i suppose. Not all verses are the same. Though i know scapula did kind loser former base thin say. Take the likes abundant She had done a lot of raising When she she's probably not at the same level but she was another jim bolger or always tank. When you mentioned those resilient horses those toll forest is that just kind of radish i remember. She wanted a group race in cork and then four days later she won the ribblesdale and then she maintained her form after every horse different. Maybe big strong coach would be able to take more than others. It depends but his strings just in fantastic four minutes. Each wars probably brings. The next on sometimes happens when yard is flying. Gosh to it's hard to tell Whereas he's main competitor. Aidan o'brien let's say there was their former is a little bit in Especially traveling djing than for whatever reason But i suppose the all three coach who you worked for. Jim bolger like many racing stars that he's he's no nonsense boss to say the least but he's also it's not just the the stallions The champions that he's produced in terms of mayors and and Jumping sars lick the faith that he putting. Galileo rewarded him with tea fairly. Oh new approach. Don't approach As the seasons went on bus he really invested heavily on. He was the one to both he and coolmore obviously benefited greatly from the fact that he's his own man he's own or good often. Don't have a horse. Which in boulder anymore there is no good training at jimbo gerard. Understanding is that the won't be joy own conclusions. As to why. I think i know why. But not for me to say but i. He's someone who has trained the league's tournament koi like his final words to mccoy were. You won't make you won't cut. It jumps racing. And i was more like it wasn't that he was putting him down. It was like prove me wrong. A new brian being his Champion apprentice and then being his assistant trainer and going on to forge his own career to become a recordbreaking trainer. As as his own man owning hill As a jumps long before he goes to belly to what jim bolger has has managed to achieve and don with the incredible setup that he has at his training base which is not far from here. It's phenomenal it's beautiful size. Incredible land phenomenal area. But what he's achieved over his six decades of training is pretty phenomenal but the fact that he's he's got his hands involved in the pedigree the breeding of these sources and the campaigning and training of them and owning them is. It's it's a pretty unique story. Sarah it is. It's really the drain ceo for lauder trainers to be completely your own boss. But at the same time the money that he puts into his it's near daytona imaginable. He keeps going in the pressure to succeed. If you're going to invest so much Put all your faith in your own. George bernard buying your own horses. A breeding your unwanted since investment tomato cedar. We own our audience. But at the time he was taking a chance on is interesting as well that poetic flair. That's by one of his own. Walruses nadon approach. You wasn't terribly fashionable. His left giardi. So he's sort of self made monetary makes sources as well What's interesting Think i worked for ten eleven years ago in the same people who were within then are still with the people who are with of narrow with them when my father works from he stands tambi n es quite to people who work from he's just sort of create uses his own kingdom up there in colon He's probably amana creates zone mythology as well and there's famous stories of asian booster sitting in a little bit of scary man. I'm what makes sense. Bush politically correct comment there. I would say He's he's i remember when i worked there. You know you be terrified to make mistakes and they used to be a force your. I remember oil their fee. Every evening on evening. I went home on. I thought i hadn't oil feet. I dropped Stop holding the plate notes match thing said afraid that instilled in you to do everything property which is good thing an i suppose the reason so many people came out of there. Is you have to be. You have to wear a if you wanted to. Last in is yard. He he gives you. He makes it very clear to you that this is a tough sport. And if you're gonna make it then you're going to have to be tough yourself so that's what he instills and everybody and Look he's he's had good times he said very bad times and he's at incredible times He's also landed a right torch with dona approach in that. He's gone back to his own installed. So he's standing at redmond's redmond stone stud in his native wexford for a private fee. And will i imagine become popular again. Claire will possibly put it back in the map. Would you would you send maritza. Don't approach probably wouldn't be in a rush. Because when i well they'd sell and i'm i'm not like jim bolger. I don't have my own breeding empire. Buthe he dobbs the as a group born start in so It's just i suppose it's all about his say doesn't people are breeding for the sales not the race track. That's the problem that pose from. Sarah said it all really maxine so how much he in hands his darby credentials here in your is sarah groupon winner as a juvenile took the version for jersey. It's produced many two thousand guineas winners in fact Several consecutive ones. But it also is a very good record of producing darby winners. How good a trial for the darby was this from x. Winning yeah it showed he trained on. I suppose m. We didn't just have to take jim bolger's word for thought. He was unwell when he ran a lap. Return hanson's credentials huge. Because he was so tough fun. T did E a worthy winner of the race. I suppose throughout being approached to is not sire of oaks winners darby when i saw this question. Have over ms izzy. Grime dependence I think i just two people having apps in gallup's during the week i heard i read that jane chaplin said it was quite heavy the grinded. I don't know what it's going to be like floor darby weekend If was good granite or maybe something else would have a better chance than but he's probably still overpriced. I think so. And you know that. I've kept the faith roy. But what did you make of. Obviously this is a fantastic in. Its own reis. And he's now a classic winner but he does look like horses going to appreciate going up and trip so is epsom. He enhanced his epsom credentials and doesn't make sense to you. That horse high definition is a couple of points shorter than i'm in the market. High definition is gonna get a fair bitch brave. He's obviously On for the the at york but some was a discussion yesterday on on twitter. The comments dots. Mike sweeney would need to improve a lot to serve of to high definition. I think is got. The whole program sideline if a classic winner class to improve to beat awesome cigarettes. I will mention any names on. I think honest on why the person said we're looking at the wrong ratings but even then you shouldn't be looking at. You shouldn't need to look at ratings to knows horses. Just one irish guineas if you believe. I've their reasons. Why you'd want to the on that. Some of the idea that you think that he does have the class of high definition suggests yami looking at those racists. He's a jewish group winner. He husband died a couple of times. He probably needs on taken the so. We're still a fair way away from from epsom by the guy comes out soft He he's good anything on paper with a little bit obsessed with the With the trials but again hawking is suited to show you that ago. The historically the best trials for classics classics. So how are you could do him. Dying for winning an irish two thousand guineas as a triumph for epsom beyond rain but Yeah you could. You could argue that. Some other voices are probably done more on the clock than he has but then again he's a horse who has won his his two is to group once. I'm racing on soft grinds as tracks on both the weather. would nothing can justify. Good time is up. Did they tend to be residential window. Castor by the the nature of the chocolate. And clearly you wouldn't. You would be looking at the speed failure of the irish guineas to determine how good iran you know. You know what you thought. The field before He has beaten The two thousand guineas winner by a short head with the rest of the field wellbeing off. There's no question before. The question is whether absymal student was the question. Mark is obviously not. His bronze are on trying. You know essentially essentially straight triumphs largely against the colorado where were being is night gallagher as being the most important thing sure certainly would would argue in the half will susan but whether it's not just about trade idea that you know a really stiff minded order is seen as a you know a mile and a half App some you know the the two very different They have the demands on stamina. Might be roughly the same but be tests in different ways so we don't know Mcsweeney will be by But jim is nothing afraid. Say one to find that other owners in the past have been. I think it's i wouldn't make him favourite for the dhabi but i'd some show body looks advice. Strong claims now He's going from once you start looking out the credentials of all. The runner in the race class is the most important aspect inch and he has. The money has lived the prospect staying about in the half so he argued should be set convinced for the race adding us Definition as being could could be very good but you still look at his ranch on the kind of races ican running in and we've projected a massive performance from him that we haven't seen yet at again is style the fact that he's thought to the boards halfway through his racist. It's not ideal There is nope we needs to be a different horse. I can see him growing items. That because of your first couple of wins doesn't mean you're always going to be like that. I think it immaturity as much as anything. I always went to york undercooked because of issues that he had that saw miss the lingfield arbitron. So i don't think it's necessarily that he's going to to run in the sanmar bus. There are more questions over him than there are at this age. He was supposed to make his debut back in thirty first of july. Didn't make debuts look twenty seconds of august The dan stein. I watched back again today. Not the apologies by the birth. I watched back again today and extraordinary performance when you look at it visually sarah but we actually really think about it. God he's had to. He's he's a stair and he's just he's had to grind it out to get there and he just reminds me an awful lot of japan being undercooked at york. It wasn't the plan to go for the dante. They wanted to get him in the in the town they end up going there and said lingfield have been mentioned as well. They went for the latest possible. One feed it doesn't preclude him from being a superstar but i don't get this whole second favourite for the darby thing with him at all. I can't buy into it. I loved him in the car. Actually that time He did look busy. Just a galloper at the same time. I may be in time daphne stays night saying wants to trip. a heat. The candidate wasn't Be fanning the pacemaker. Did a very poor job. Leading awards probably was a little bit undercooked and was making it. A real stretch Boat you know And i suppose the form of the race wasn't radia option. The guineas monitored running much of a race I suppose the problem with you. Brian the stages season as Less than former relying on soundbites and quotes after raises. They always have to bake them up. Christine they never never gonna say anything too. Controversial perhaps inca kabbalah show body is more visually. Impressive looks to have more of eternity Whether he stay amman hossan because that is a problem. Max media's probably and then on the rated because of his ground depends even property the way. Jim bolger likes. He likes to think that he's a bit of a rebel in a bit of an underdog in some ways. Jim bolger the jacket steps in a motorcycle harley davidson coming for you. cool more. Speaking of more van gogh or van gov whichever one you want to go for ends up being the best of the o'brien runners. So what did you make of his third. He'd been up with the pace leaders. didn't seem to have a whole lot towards the end. He's out of the grand slam winner. Triple crown mother american pharaoh but also crucially of an irish one thousand guineas winner and oaks winner in imagine so he's bread to be really good. But how do you currently raise him. Sarah i think as a horse. He's another one. A definite loves a dig. They wanna criterium international on heavy grinds. I think he's a little one paced Roy gary didn't go mad and fun to maybe what Golf a bit more a and they had made the running on him amid a proper end to end got up. I goes I i was gonna say is nothing special but fly train them. You'll be the greatest thing since nice by He he's no superstar say But he did improve a lot from new markets You'd want to know what's the problem. Wembley he's just going down lately this year. So he's Redeemed things little bit for the body. Dora contingent. I suppose the horses behind that you could guess apart from the first two. You're either making excuses for some of the more saying like granted. It's hard to judge the rest of the the wimbley couldn't even beat rattle step. Jesus that was a desperate run from him. Rory and is like say america. Saint mark's basilica has come out and he's france. The vincent o'brien and ju- her swarm so he's step forward but that's him as an individual thunder moon from everything we've heard has not trained on and looks. I don't think that's fair to under go on because he didn't show enough of them on the tally but he looked extremely cultists to me. What i've heard is that he. He's tiny not filled out at all. That's what i was told by up closed door like. Oh god boss complement issues. Though isn't eastone as awfully yes is. I'd like to see him again to figures. Often he did produce the one thousand guineas winner but Yeah point taken point taken And hopefully we'll see him at At roy ascott whether we see seem over speed trip and the commonwealth cup or the saint james palace six remains to be seen but wembley explained that one. Rory i'm about a women would obviously institute with llamas is some is very good with us again. We touched on this end. The previewed sometimes You the biden horses. Come over for the guineas on the just not ready for. But you can't miss the guineas And they run accordingly on something by unfortunately either. He's just long time to come to this season or he just hasn't trained wrong. But you know we have this scenario quite a load Been a lot of a lot of disappointing Juvenile's for by of the horses to be brilliant juvenile happen dog. Also being a smattering forces as monitoring the forces who found who've also redeem themselves to some degree having been initially disappointing. You know if you end up getting a getting a group one out of it even without getting the At the end of the season that is job done really so it's always it's always puzzle. They're going to try to find. I'm a case. These sources. Three roles. And i keep saying with the scale. He can't stand still on the same race as good as you are last october. You're not going to catch in the summer. yeah Because we have failed a you improve on most most classic three euros improve a lot from two to three and this is also the. There's there's two different kinds of you like of fun of classic olds. There's the early times you keep on the go on your wiggins with. Maybe he tried to get him with it. Turns out that everything catches them up in the summer under. They're much the same. As the pack gwen seller comes along once said beginning is some. It's kind of like the last few will raise the season just to run a made next year. I'm a talia forces who will improve. Haven't had the opportunity to flourish. Because they haven't really seen the summer sun on the you know they haven't had conditions of ally them to flurries so the liberal precocious forces candidate while beginning. And i said you know you. We've seen lots of brilliant guineas when interest in jewish winters on a lot of them are new better than than the best of the rest. Come late summer You just look at it with a A purely statistical. I look at high guineas winners. Even those been fighting oppresses have done You know come roy. Last glorious goodwood or later in the season undo get the absolutely is standing. Morse's they on. I'm just superstars. And then you get good guineas winners. Who are you know. they're not they're not run as a male but they don't have that advantage of they happened sprang combat So if you're trainer of very very good two year old The question for you is high. You can get the best out of those forces at three It's very hard if you've gotta Bread a mile nor to go. The guineas root amplifier Is benefit in that regard assimilated. Were able go for the guineas with with these highly resources and if he don't come up trumps that joint working at high you can then reinvent the from seizing. Sweeten them up are you can find racists again. That'd be plenty of horses three years. Who upping brilliant. The two haven't really state a mile in the spring of the company have done very well later on as as they strengthen dot org So there are lots of options and you can see why jim bolger wants to strike With his forward three girls Because it a big prizes to be won on sitting in your hands doesn't sound doesn't get you any prizes so i don't know what to make of when blade up you know. It's very easy to write them off entirely and say it's too terrible night. He hasn't trained on on. You can point to to Previous continue was by the siren. Say elliott's until channel but we've also seen Aiden resurrect these. Horses are not showing the best form in the spring. We know we're a long way from the summer looking at the window here. It's in the weather's been absolutely dreadful for a fortnight and either you get a massive change in the next few weeks looking at the weather on going forward to absent by the way my My my weather site suggest virtually no rain in the next fortnight. Oh no After the after the this law passes It all going to be a massive dinosaur. The day after the harvey very. I'd be very wary. Obviously of reading level rate forecasts of the suggestion is we are. We are beginning to move into somewhere. We're going to have losses on china. We're going to have a rise in temperatures touch wish and that will make a big difference. A lotta horses Hoses who haven't flourished suddenly will or just who've been dominance will find dominance and potentially frittered away on things to be very different. We need one of the army to sneak into epsom. Just taps and keep them on and just keep the water flowing for goodell mcsweeney so we lend the jungle of a lifetime. Come on earth god. I'd never sent them in. The and i was buzzing. That's break look vegas. Just look at this point. Think we've covered that race as best as we can The weatherby's arlen. Greenland's takes the group to for a second. I thought making challenge was gonna bench back and win. But in the end it goes to gustavus vest and For jon murphy. And gary carol which is another fantastic story sarah in the sense that The greatest respect to joe murphy trainer but not one of the biggest in the country and has landed with pretty decent sprinter here. Well he's an okay sprinter. A wasn't a great renewal of the grain in the the group on worsted marin eternal bunsen ada probably needed it. I thought it was disappointing. Because on one hundred disappointing because it just makes the sometimes occasionally sprints can look like. They're in an action. Different words can win each time. This horse around shocker. Nays and property just likes. The talk likes off ground credited joe. Murphy's doing super job. Diseases is davis in serious. Foreign gyles writing items skin. And he's very it's great to see joe murphy back because he's highly near before on. I think he trouble with firestone Thing which was accidentally sold storing and he read deserves. Attorney look They want the best caliber spenders. Here make a challenge was better than the last day meeting to be traveling about sweeter. And i think he prefers kind of stiff five or six where he's not really on his head at the stars and he's able to travel in his country zone Seem to quaker. Find a whole pile after that. I don't know if he's in the top drawer anymore and up. She ran very while she was kinda used. Raised a lot handier for packaging to start but Suited are the way they wrote her. They're writing to finish. Choose ball for nine. Hundred thousand guineas Glare so they're obviously expecting group. Would enter futures continued eraser like desk. So all righted. Some of those vendors are very Better been bee's he's a monkey. Y'all well enough. And then i take an. She'll probably need to this. I'm even though that was done. He does knees just probably started on that. Grind is tricky. No just hiring horse. Looks slivovice looks like he's thrown over the top or ready. I taught him he was Kinda sent try follow linder at a very quick pace in nays not. That's probably i generally he. He looks like he's kinda gone off. The boil abated. It's noises announcement. These raises is nice to see the great race spread as for the caliber of the race. Would terribly not want to look forward to then roy. I'd be much agreement. I mean. I don't make the winner but it was It was a surprise on paper. mea dhs will again. We discussed this before another. I thought that the favorite was a little bit skinny because although he wanted to break stays it was a much much weaker company and i thought he was liable needs to run after break. Eighty two degrees one company on next time he should only ability was in time. They just didn't quite get home after After leading on the rail. I don't think the real was probably wasn't the place to be given away. The risk pan died wanted perfect storm for established western weld onto connections victim. A decent price there. And you know there are similar races of the three diseases only make it. He may get another on days involved. But i don't think the finish not will be a guide to the big one sprint simplisafe photos later. Speaking congress has already beaten twice before non-fermentable beat earlier in the year two notes. That's a very yet it's hard to. You won't be hiding your house for. Might say no. No very difficult to I would love smash williams to pop up one of these races these days. I feel like he will the talent is there just. He's he's a monkey right. I mean we pop up for a while. Yeah just for the friday night lights reference. Ain't nobody stopped me way. A great show Opponent plays william mccurry and believe in the london stud stakes grucci to phillies and mirrors and absolutely bolted up by four lengths. The massive disappointment obviously champions day winner are champions. Day winner shoppers. Lycee for johnny murtagh could manage fourth. Sarah what was your impression of the winter. She did well from his the ideas in the ideal type ryan for for a race on the screens To just lob long years breakdown anew bahrain's ability easily We're talking my grew ones afterwards. I didn't even think this race was to group to standard to be. Honest was more the winner she'd kind of uneven number group tree of before this race the second Glazed enlisted group threes and too soon to panic the thought of her as higher. The new groups responders. You wanna listed race last time apart from trump The rest of them are all of wouldn't have been of group jews. I wouldn't think. I think the winner is improving this year. Whether that's to do with the grand conditions She looks like i saw pai. Trevor ver- She talked to bake video. Maybe she's grown into herself Voter maybe he stayed a little further. There might be more options for next year If they wanted to try for the group one placing Something like that. The stadium mayors relax pro. She doesn't strike me. As kind of billy chompers a. She didn't like the grant. Cheap to kind of pardoning in the last few furnishings. But i did choose never carting bancone. And i thought she was like that in her last start. I wouldn't put it down to the ground whether that's She's just taking time to hand. I do agree with rory. It's been very weird year. Together for weather It can be quite warm in the very cold nights. Difficult to robe your horses and keep She's feeding a little bit But it is sad to see he sold it to a good owner and The bullocks person her little bit. You'd have to give her role margot bush. Nope disappointing again. That's probably guineas weekend on some of the heavy snow. A that's her the second kind of flat performance as well as a trainer. Can you take us back to the point. You were making about how difficult. Today's looking after his in these conditions at this time of year. Because right now amazingly this on the shining. It's still freezing. Bloody freezing cold though and It's great roy. Selling is that the long term forecast is good and that we're going to be looking at a better ground except for epsom where we needed a bog from xyz. Thank you very much about roy. Ascott in the sunshine. There's few better places to be But how difficult is it. Then when you're trying to get flash horses ready for big occasions like this and the weather is not playing ball with you. It's very difficult to just They just don't without horses you kind of way to. They've commented their coats in the springtime. And then you know they're ready to come kind There's minutes this was a delay. This year i felt they came in their similar coats. And later before you know. Be quite warm in the daytime. Last month was going to minus degrees in the nighttime And then you're rushing to change rogues and this is just not easy for them. I found his wealth weather being so changed because she is coming in at a season more so than usual. I've heard some saying that it's hard to get the mayor's deal or this year i'm probably to do with the temperatures as well The donini reminder that they are animals there you stood the weather telling them what time year to themselves I'd owner does it affect the calls is more thank you. Take like to warmly into repaint. It has been a forty year. I did hear each johnson hall and talking about on the tally as well but she found it hard her horses. So am i mean you could go out. I will be freezing in the new orleans writer. Flush you might need That's really interesting. That's fascinating thank you for sharing that with us as well because it's always great to get the inside from the trainers perspective as well Pace of this race really was control by opponent plays and they made no secret of that roy that they wanted to have no pace in the race for the group one caliber horses and that really comes down to shumpert say so perhaps she can be forgiven on better ground with better pace but was this opponent plays darby or does does she know deserved to go and take her her johnson group one. You're going to boost their connections once you once. You won a race like this. You're entitled to think about some of heading into into group one you want group to about you. Know you've reached a certain run in terms of fun of lag time on you're always looking at the at the next step Even go look on site while she's finders a week enough risk. She's the perfect rise in conditions suited Less the going route one. You're gonna do great one. I doubled massively. Fancy her chances but it goes she just needs to find a contest On hit the free without to be worthwhile so You know agree is more than titled to to To the program book and find the best about some yacht side. The the conditions Men's some good front roaming rights Where the order of the day and she definitely will seem the best during the just won't by a good margin before lights on the air so you wanna note vomits too much but With booths ashley. Say on valeria mess lena in particular Disappointing of larry misleading. Look to this race on. Friday and she was three to one on a struggle to backwards. Those prices agenda going much bigger than the monsters. Don't figures to our things. Like i i. She was on opposite early on wanted in jurong accordingly. So obviously the you know the to finish the risk with With with group one form of disappointed. So you know this might as well as being a very good listed rates but actually it doesn't matter if you if you invested affiliate they send you a group to doesn't matter how many people tell you it wasn't a really good group to it says grew to on paper unless all you care about. Yeah but what i love about. It is the fact that we finally have sara back on the show. She's just super job. I do you agree to find her group to to win and maybe she is group. One standard maybe approved another race and also ability gave three. Britain writes from reform on saturday as well as rights. Tonight better pain. But i'm just saying it's discussing. The quantity of racing are not feeling couldn't do anymore but win. Because you don't have to walk it back. Don't walk it back. You stick to your guns keepdriving kennedy keep jumping those bums sarah. So we love the gain marble hill stakes group three. We talked about briefly on the show and we did. So because it's been one by the likes of power and caravaggio land and skin. Rory is stunned pronounce correctly. This time. we won't buy nakal. Yes rory yes who knows what the future may lie for. Castle star Dunnock o'brien feels that minnesota was a little bit hard done by. I talk castle. Star was absolutely brilliant. Here superb. Right from chris hayes and he looked like the way the racing. Tv camera zoomed in afterward. Sarah he looked like he just had the time of his life of like day. He won the list student. He broke his maiden liberace's actually Bit of a character cheeky. He have komo of the base. Nobody's winning he breaks And wiz easy. As i thought he was extremely impressive. They must've shocked when he couldn't win his maiden Early on what it's like Racy rises to the occasion. And was he does well with the star spangled boundaries. He had that hermanas strata. The stores playing amenities for the albany. And of course he had started last year and he's a suber year but is two euros. I don't know if the second was unlucky. I don't take it was. I think it was unlucky. Not to be closer because you see what castle star drawn amazon who was only ramble. And so i thought he was very impressed with the nominee joe degrade folks who become a bit. Oh where did not. Even skying. His head a little awkwardly. I suppose to be honest. Gathering property didn't read the race wealth. He was In the middle. And roy moore for example. One day to the jamaica's ruin instead. Govern ryan chose to follow thirty to one shots. collins horse on mike mike providing source. Jim bolger's that he'd already beaten worst. Only gonna come back. A top of Was split second decision. That's what happens. I suppose governor raimondo in apprentice dossier Learning in this novel Hitler ninety from the Ninety from not. I think he's a super jockey. Bush raise reading probably cost him a little bit. But i don't know what he beating the winner the winner when he said i think the winner still pulls out more and maybe still wins by two lengths. Even if mosquito does in the clear Because i did see a lot of arguments being put up that Kevin ryan should have won that race. A don't buy that for a second. Maybe he gets closer. Maybe he gets a lot closer. And it's a it's the natural zinc the horse i think out of a mare approach for the others by sprinter. You probably just doesn't have natural day fund He's not as much of a natural sprinters one but he's known how that thought it was a serious run as well. What about what about the coventry now. For castle star looks great. Chance at the garbage. I mean he like. I said earlier rate new. Approach me accident sudden. It's like star-spangled banners near the roy ascott. Studying voice was ear. Who won twice there. He went there himself. Sirkka mcqueen mary winner and i think the wising when the competency so yeah looks to be an exciting carpentry. I miss going there as well. It does look to be building up to be very very interesting race. And we have a number of edna brian. Horses that didn't turn up over the weekend that still have to to show Glanton being one of sagan acropolis is that going to wonder. I heard that was their best two year old from a number of people. No that's very interesting information for sarah to share on the final fallen podcast. Because i heard new york city was the best one. I'm probably wrong. The corpus was pretty well health but again not necessarily bread for those conditions churchill out of a pivotal maher often like mokanda. That rocket science is a half sister sheet of sauk grant but yet Roy moore wasn't very hard in the matale. Some and ran was even worse on something i think. Yeah which were we're about to come to this. A lot of caravaggio 's at ballydoyle still to come out as well so we'll wait and see about those two rory. How impressed were you with star. And his prospects for roy. Alaska was pretty pretty impressed with with. Emily Yeah he he financing wants to do as well. But the scene has a bit more cash in the norfolk so it always go to coventry railway. Stake since stuff like that as well so that they will give froze at imagine but He said the way he traveled throughout Five will be no trouble to multiple ever but five photos not blakely sexy distance materials So i don't really see the british whereas some other face time he was I was interested in seeing as in the review. I was already a recent went. The bat in but i thought he was an interesting interesting runner. quite similarly to tweeted on his debut still lose pretty royal green. He was hanging off. The didn't make it very easy But the attic appointed by dry physician being important darren. Brass was evident in his window. Woman declare run Anyway would have gone reasonably close but we don't have a fair bit mandate teams of the two nights margin. Ab susan by last settles nice. He's got the experience so he just left the blaze away in behind them. He's he's got plenty in his vehicle as that. I'd probably be more confident. But a buckingham in a norfolk. Where i think he'd have no trouble It can up other country. But you know i said coventry is the is the cash payment would appear the likely stacy's go impressive You've kinda wanna do quicker grind. But i wouldn't have thought i Not gina particular bagri. You'd be worried about him very quick crime but it's going to be rattling fast Goes good covering the tourists. There's never any excuse me straight for So i suggest the only issue is the voice to see between nine then But he appears to be the best. We have seen category. I'm very interested to see glenn on again who managed to get the bedroom. Despite the fact that kessel star had experienced and sarah's right they were probably going. How the hell did we get beat that seventy-two looks pretty pretty good back in cork. So he's now taken a elicited race in a group. Three and sky's the limit for castle star star spangled banner and we'll definitely be last material for the stack family We talked in depth about glo before and very much intrigued about him. The only uk race that we're reviewing is the temple stakes so liberty beach ended up getting the job. Done only the six runners. I was intrigued by lady in france. john quinn and said he would be delighted with debt. East ends up winning the race anyway and takes it with the favorite roy. John was on records When she was a juvenile saying agent was leaving anything behind. You know she was such an obvious to your rules. Vary fight forward very fast particularly on. He said you know we don't know how else should channel judah three so you don't wanna get away She trained on well She's better than the results In fact it's the result is a weak form for group meeting Called second-string on the wrist down but denied a fair bit in front she. She wonder wrist. Alleged paddling a little bit on the grind with company on the she would find. She was joined. Still a booster hardly at all but never really any pastor. It was a it was a good performance on She's out to to as a great company in the right conditions. but they're on an easy risks. I guess you could roll out for the king style Just her style of running his not idealize. Eight roy labs you know. You're you're always if you're if you're fast there you've to be rookie card But if you just give them to catch on tales. It's very hard to hold on if he if if something gets when he has a conscious show that's brilliant. Five photo goes on always finds five at ascot just a little bit to testing for other things should be vulnerable there again. I said we talked about the front preseason. I think the abai is slightly julius. I wasn't particularly strong. Risk always the fifth round on this race to win. I saw some Keep busy needed the wrong. She risked wide as devoid wasn't ideal traveled pretty well for low way. Then flam died last final She only parochial. But i think she's a fair bit better than that she. She does give the impression list. she's she's a bit more substantial than liberty beach on impression. All there was a liberty liberties get fit As a give the impression that she needed the rum. I wouldn't say it'd be much between the time they made. They very very similar. Affiliates in terms of ability of the different phillies in terms of makeup of the way they race a nice. Nice on death of the you know we expect to see performance in the temple doping the stone Testified the an old honda copulate job. Rookie was a single ticket. Price tells you a little bit like the the group to at the curragh. It wasn't the strongest racer. No it was. It was sad to see us very weak renewal of the race. A degree i a form can make. It seem like walls good form. The can me a funny race run on funny grounded just at the end of the year so i think this is not like better though. She's very toaff on mighty think she may be going too tired towards the end Kinda look like she fell in the embassy had made running and it was her season other. Bu i wouldn't be getting terribly excited about like she was sam i do agree the way she raises does make it a bit tricky and ask off as promise not not to be second there. Last year she ding one of those running horses. Nascar us to hold onto the Before you come up decline so am she ran. Weber's lackluster race was a problem with haydock. The way the grind can go. Maybe that's why people donate for that race bush in the past you delights of Far running. I remember when soap. I run run there. He backed kingsgate. Many rambam beta breath and following year on the resulting of quality in the race anyway does fringing. Division was already stationed over the weekend room was. That was a twenty eleven. Yeah i think it was field. It's amazing what a hero by the way on a hero. Sopo tash took this race twice. Put obviously wasn't gonna be running at this year given the ground as A sarah says right we've got a few racists. Look at it from the car on sunday. obviously a classic involved there as well and Some big stories to discuss briefly with the team as well. But i tell. 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Do not miss out on this free money which is basically what this is all the gravies there you just gotta get it. Towed dot co dot. Uk tony or the official told ap dealer's choice Let's move on to the car sunday. Where officially the ground is soft too. Heavy boot saying sarah felt it was actually worse on the sunday The stakes probably the last arbitral. Trial ends up going to earls woods for johnny mercer ben cohen with arturo toscanini who rory and. I quite liked before running a much better race than he had previously and sing on quite well towards the finish. But this really was all about johnny morton source. He did it very well. I suppose what he wanted navin. That day was very sticky ground so he was always going to handle the going and probably learned launch dissolved gesture. I've never been what i gather watching They're soft is pretty hard to get as well so he handled that kinda going for quite easily and honey worn going away stroke May be by pivotal. You wouldn't be sure if he'd stay but as full brother chester cope so he does have a chance I thought he did well into the nicely on a nice call. I was actually very impressed with brian. Colon over the weekend Horse and he was good in that city create belief as well handicap was kind of ease rioting quite a mature head and shoulders. At the minute. I thought he pushed fitting nicely. Never with the way people warnings getting closed their holiday golightly so Now he needed a great job on good weekend for johnny morton. I suppose apart from brazil that aside lot of things went right for johnny and I'm sure he was quite pleased. Jocks teamed up with petty prendergast's. But but he doesn't have a entries doesn't seem to be training so what happened in the end. There was so much excitement about the remember. Scatter was being really talked up. It was two very different styles of training firm which A new mold of trainer with an old school trainer in john oxx but he's retired and petty burned. The gas seems to have gone with them. I'm a little bit perplexed as to why he hasn't just taken over the mantle from john oxen and his trainer did the whole thing just fall apart. I didn't think he wants to train anymore. I don't personally. But i think he was doing pre-training in the thing. Really not sure so sad. He had a lot of a lot of talent as a trainer. You can completely understand it. roy what was your impression of early. Would now in the hands of johnny murtagh after being trained by john knox last season. It is pretty impressive glassy entre tuscany. Comeback to form. He might be vase for by the Everything's boswell I'm not sure Almost rusty As as darby also not allow basis Bought a sarah said you'd be donald. He's talking about his his stamina limitations being pivotal because the different tasks against the happy relives on To one a making miracles one last year chester The mouth identification allocated to the brother as his testing rod. I was it was really deepened. Making miracles absolutely blasted them away. The gesture competent. The earls was on his On on heavy ground On whether he'd be the same sort of force assigned surface. I'd be concerned by other plenty of opportunities advent For came on. I think he will stay for night. I'd i'd almost them like electoral interesting. I believe in his stamina We talked about he was incredibly disappointed. Quick grind at newmarket. Almost as if you know. He m Result didn't let himself died. It was it. Was the back of the tally after by three months but he He binds here back on having Who really get outta children's day As anybody street by will the tongue die fitted as well again He will keep giving further as well. This evidence so tallies likely by some by the front pair out right sort of level analysis. That i'd be removed thinking queens files with darby for this is only my quarter but it was a fantastic stamina Run to give the impression some. They'll get out of the house so fluid and worth mentioning that this race was won by leading light. Who went onto win the queen's before taking descent ledger so pay close attention play. Close attention to that form You'll meet when's the group. One takes tattersalls. Gold cup withheld dream. Who kept on finding broom too. Good for him. This season gets beaten fifteen and a half lengths three links to links to be fair. Sarah he was getting closer and then he finally nails them year. He was given a very just pens late on. Maybe he's kind of lazy character. Maybe leading that long in that kind of energy sapping ground. Maybe it's hard to come back because there wasn't a whole pot between them I think said on the tiny that that should be shown to apprentice. As i really think so. The way to jockeys rhymer Very sparing with the with In rhythm with the horse Autonomous of his very race and in the on that side of things Not to be screwed gambetta. Daphne wasn't agreeable caliber race Havoc drain went last year. Without winning in any one group occur am he has been getting closer and closer to broom bush True south is daffy notre. I would think she reborn caliber videon on the side of the hemisphere drone while the coffee cope in australia Trae she went over there so She's in looking to finish closer eye. Amyloid morand horses instead of holding following through victory but it was really race to austin terms of jockeyship and to see leg me get a group one on the big stage in the flash side of things. Something i thought was quite sound actually onto the races with all these protocols invest that he had to take its vote is but is trump vienna's horses big moments with his mask at the races. On morty in on carried enough to wear masks. They seem to made racing. Tv them and i don't see why hardware for you're renting fo- gym on the second awards lifetime and it seems like kinda another goody goody things in our is raising and i did feel about. He probably doesn't care to all probably just tonight and just for the mantelpiece. I just and fair nor could i can cheat. That horse was quite power Bolt by peter known and i think is a year in katie mcgovern as a as a folk cheapie both times Foreground twelve grand mal grind. John was to before i met a was written to see by power as well again. He's been probably want very poor guineas but it just goes to show the on today nor was a super race. It was but not as. I do worry that it's a bit of difficulty in the last. Few years was go rhino last year. But the year before that magical didn't beat a whole pile and then lancaster bomber one of the year before that it's arranged But in terms of excitement on the people who actually was renting race. It's a racist been props by kumar for a very very long time and we were promised love in this race. Rory doesn't believe that love exists not the concept of love the horse. He doesn't believe that she exists anymore. Just given up and I can understand why they runner but they were talking europe. That's twice now. They've talked up that she was making her comeback and twice. She's missed it broom. I suppose his runnings race and Can can again win and groupon company but it was as sarah said rory just a brilliant ride from mccain The whole mosque issue. The cdc have said you don't have to wear a face mask in america and the californians the governor of california went. Nope everybody's gotta wear a mask so who the hell knows what's going on I don't get it. And like i said at least in the uk fans can go racing In limited numbers but it is quite frustrating to see the can have is a twelve thousand fans and roy. Ascott can have four right and makes an awful lot of sense to me. No i don't. I don't know how much racing has helped us not massively could evolve with but There was a suggestion. That racecourses coulds in a period from from mid april to early may or the end of april could have run a trial With crowds just to test the protocols on they said no is that the new suitable meetings. I'm not entirely sure that other shows helps you on the line. doing maybe. the young connected done chester. Chester fell out of the came too late. And it was already for the guineas certainly yard for the craven meeting Good media sound on the donna. phone obviously the you know the day fixture with Run on the south of the of the good flat-out in friday have done that Find a little bit a little bit old at again The i dunno Exactly what the. I haven't been racing Some since that fateful Montana tanisha exactly what the current protocols on course on our but you don't you don't have to wear a face mask in the uk apple as simple as individuals on socially distanced. But you don't have to wear your masks to do as very strange Let your urine situation there especially. Do you think it's being dictated to by By racing debate. Because i don't think they're. They're forcing those rules in the can't road. Yeah that's that's what i can't. It's almost like hate your. I have told them something. But then a sarah said she's literally working for g car on a sunday and they're not doing it so it's not like you're just rebels who've decided not to do it. I genuinely don't understand. Maybe there's a miscommunication maybe there's somebody has has misinterpreted something wrong. But it's a small thing but it's it's getting everybody's getting really frustrated and you can feel the tension it is. You don't want to turn on the tally to enjoy a day's racing and forget your troubles and there's just everyone in months i i don't think no i agree with you. I i actually lose nolita stolen muscles go very no. Can somebody do mockup of no meat in about a clever off to cook up. We'll send you a mug first person who does it. It's a final. The puck mug his pistol in one hand. Balaklava has three. The school is fine. No i drank cappella now. You're throwing political. I've got no. They were clubbers infested furious. Men come on nine coming to a cinema near you where that what they. Massive balaklava market is in the views. Royds argue are not necessarily the podcasts. Roy what did you make. Helvetic dream for Bandit known me again. This wasn't it hasn't been a great group one for line in terms of the depth of the contest now again. The two arguments was interesting. Audacious came last in second last. Kumar says and trying to profit out because the the the The group wants data so they will be determined by the By the official ratings of four finishers. I think under the So i think they were hoping to sneak That either or run with seek the frame there as well with group yet colin king said afterwards. The plan was just to take brewed with one. Run got involved about with him as lazy but he's game if you join him far enough role begin. Chance of battling by so the idea was justice pints on in one movement absolutely perfectly said we previewed it. He sold enough on selection of shortlist. But he liked biking ashore. You don't necessarily wants to be Because you end up going through the wringer washing the race. He's often bridal rounds the contest But he's won his race on. He's just he's just a couple of Another another excellent ride For the conditions on gangs grassy knoll made get a grip on winter shares. Only time to win. Or god seventy lonzo longtime ago. Everyone news group one winner around the corner. Everyone knew that may twenty twenty one do it. Talking of comoros is trying to make the framing. this race Serpentine dear I didn't hear an excuse for his run. The was one for tiger moth At least at least tiger moth has a proper excuse. he apparently gargled batley. After the one furlong marker. He never really got into the race at all. Sarah but serpentine was desperately disappointing. Well he ran worse than a horse needing the wrong when he was all very early and then search for song. She's just waiting as well. Push an accident That basically i tasted not quite rice. I didn't she's usually quite a key. Engine entirely the right around the non stay sheron and then today as well she didn't she didn't carry him that well and then when they were turning on the band before turning in she switched onto the wrong lead and often they switch onto another need when they're turning into a strain quickening that's warmer but it's it's quite odd to turn onto the other one on a term and so i'd say they're going to have a local earn and see what's opener and she's she's probably more disappointing than shoppers. Amisi neuronal the group one shittier mayor. That's just not quite right at the. That's a really interesting point. Because i was looking at her and just thinking she's been beaten because the trip she'll be better going up but she was him. Yeah that's a good point We were very. I was very keen on tiger. Moth is fascinated to see him back. There's an excuse given for him. It was no excuse given for serpentine. That i'm aware of rory They literally fell at the back of the tally. I mean was. I run for for a while and he was nice leads. You give him on the chance. But of course essentially Consisted of a week last. Summer did not Will wait and with him. I wanted to touch on both Felici by o'meara's disappointing. Search for persona on trumpers leasing. Both of those have done their run in their best form from midsummer on which i know. She wanna maiden in the end of may. I am search for some bit. She's flourished as of august september on with a same with some a last season. She was winning in the at the end of june. But i think she really flourished in the ultimate phillies. Our lifetime again. We're getting back to the whole thing we haven't we haven't had a proper spring nevermind the summer yes I wouldn't be massively disappointed with some with mayors who who have historically showing good forms later in the year with disappointing this stage. This is well be marched for some phillies and mirrors given the conditions. So that was very disappointing from from search results. Sarah's pointed by her or changing legs turning into the straight is in some basic -nificant as well but I i would largely ignored her until we're into Last summer them she tends to improve law for that stage of the year. You never know when you're going to train awful. Well i'm but i wouldn't. I'd be judging kohl's a little more harshly but this time of the year that i would phillies merce. Okay well let's talk about the fillies classic then By this stage the going was officially heavy and empress josephine a full sister to minding gives galileo his sixteen th consecutive classic winning crop which is just insane beats joan of arc bike and The better front seat of two obviously by a short head One to for jim. Bolger the two thousand guineas One two for o'brien in the tattersalls irish one thousand guineas minding has Beaten by jet-setting in this race. Was that a big upset. If yes she was so she gets threes so she exacts revenge exacts revenge and gets the win for for the family. She's a horse. Who was beaten by panic in some of those. We've talked talked about as well sarah Overall impression of the the one thousand guineas hard to know how good it was. bush Being poor run was on good growing. Maybe just like any slight family as roy said In the trianon agents said they went to create back. day aren't jamie hotter said. It was a bit of a tactical affair. I suppose shooting voted sorry. Volley dictate needed ready. He it was a little bit of sprint. Finish striding on. I think he's ready saying the trip. It's nice to see if any breadwinner guineas guineas like this in the condition. She was told from the second wasn't beaten for either. Maybe she's another one he could made the running on her shoes She she lied when she won. Her guineas tried. I think and she was prominent dinner maiden tim. I suppose not grant atari to know what to do to give them their head of that. Bush the first thing. Don't go there but for the jobs. The second is assisted. Many goes a marvelous winners. Assisted reminding it seems to make perfect sense. Unsorted redeemed the weekend a little bit for aiden. O'brien i like to look at the second horse attorney whereas if she goes back to seven as she clearly likes unease she possibly just didn't see it at the end maybe she could be fitting for the fiery or the park. Stakes leonida Yeast over six. Now for since offering fronts A lot of people are raving vase. she hillary's really. I think you can get carried away on the grind in these races. He was ridden to finish to be priced in. That's what she did and same Added colton that women to think that was only rated nineteen or so and that ran quite well Take a pinch of salt. But i think the first three are very decent cities. I don't pretty gorgeous nineteen. She probably just needed. She was written on the anti renault. Covert hans. But you didn't drop back too much. And maybe i think the coronation stakes looks like. It's going to be a really nice rights. That's shaping up to be very very interesting. Phev rover was disappointing. As well as we said and miss emulate never really got involved in things at all ended up being very well. the Could be a trip issue with our koby. ground your assessment of the race. Rory i'd say chip groin messiahs Does sound really again offer seven months before this cheese video. Judge after royal ascot. Tom she definitely going come with for me. Nice new real indication whether she trained all here giving us of looking down the tree and fitness. All against her late. Gauri does not have call it. He is literally tested clients. Okay don't worry. Over was better than the result he he wants to use her stride. She never really. I'm surprised they were. They weren't particularly forward with her because she runs such a massive race at newmarket on the software grind. I mean connection said. They didn't while the during this past bijon with unselfish last year. there's a little disappointing heavy in the marcel. boussac But i thought she. I didn't get a chance to give a running She can't finding yourself. I'm a bit messed around through the wrist thoughts. Pull honey Time when she was being she was getting growing again in the finish by can't Result definitely give her another chance again. You know largely agree with sarah find. The damage was so close out. There you know makes question to form slightly you life again but in various the frontier. Both improves drunk here in fairness around more he didn't lead early but but when he it was clear that wasn't going to be a particularly strong base. He moved off a halfway to take on your own and they try to utilize Stamina critic all over the winter been you wanna everywhere bar. The line As she didn't she didn't really folder emerson being fun. Plenty just to get up coast to south again. As i said both of them are tremendous pedigrees. Both of them would have excuses for ram without being able to show former this standard prior to this but both have been going the right direction. And i see no reason to note the. Am the former the first two here. Don't think vary grind will be necessary for either of the clearly. They had the common ground. I be wary of being against either. I was against tobacco interest rates as i thought the of heard from her trial was very very muddling on the first floor. Where in those positions to the race ryan more rather than state functions. The best on the wrist but he dictated terms exotic spices. He wants to go and it was difficult to take high view of the four but again also typical evidence phillies That the keep taking a jump forward informed when needed And it would be surprised to see a much more from the from the front pair. We'll see with bellagio. She looks absolutely. She wasn't flattered by the Visually by the way the risks Pan died she seems absolutely relatively drawing. She traveled notably strongly full value for where she was bats. Do you want to see if on back it up and do it again because again. This is a big big from her. She may need the grinds given them. She seems to really relished. Unconditional conditions more than most hair so If she gets some similar conditions next time she'd be given an opportunity to to show. This was no flu. That visually It didn't look But he was in. The right place are the right time. The research on disinterest. I'm i wouldn't be. I wouldn't be putting heavily shuttles onto this. No shame heffernan quick to be saying that he doesn't think that jump to emma for is quite right for empress josephine yet and In terms of the coronation stakes betting. It's five to join. Favorites for edna brian. mother earth the one thousand guineas winner. Joan of arc. Second at the car so we shall see as servicing. That's shaping up to be an absolutely superb. Raise anything else from the weekend. That really captured your imagination. Sarah i am. What's the horse dermot. Weld's in the colts maiden was nice Reach here on quite an ice racy. Be interesting next time. Put i just made it was nice. Makes trainers might nice makes jockeys whether or not some of the races stood up to the kyle or the quantity that they should be is open to question but you really that team which went under those conditions and if you now have to redeem themselves inositol makes it more so i i think big son. What about for you. Know that might be in normal circumstances. But i've been trying to stay alive So haven't quite some time to look for right. Caches the kara. I genuinely thought they'd fix this problem. Sarah a what the hell is going on. Yeah like the the two. The two thousand guineas was fought out by maxine weenie poetic flair and the train from cork dublin to knock it right away the karachi lunch when it keeps whistling Tired it a huge disappointment especially saying it. All of the money that was spent on us But i think didn't they say the architects are going to fix it with no cost to the current racing so also so we were sold but And i don't know the thing is that it was stated fixed. Done all fine and it turns a what the hell is that sound. We had a terrible loss. There's been a lot of turbo lawson and racing lately. Barney carly some people love. Some people weren't his biggest fan. I absolutely love bernie early. And i love the bernie curly story and that rant take out merchant and you saved your bacon gone on on the old eighth your which we might play before we up the sweeper he. He became synonymous with landing. Some phenomenal gambles rory which one stands out most to you as a yellow som- that so this was how much how much did they make away with after that. And do you want to just for new listeners. To the show. You gotta francis will kapiti page on you. Know something to A great story by about time. Body lining one out In in the seventies that values time with what's called yellow sam He knew he develops is probably the first person to really do this. To the groove. Really he developed a m a network of contacts he would play slow bats for him in Around people you could trust people. have you know. Were placing baxter with suspicion but a huge number of people in control of that group that number two people himself and the idea was that he would like this yellow sound off course make sure that there was no money for its own course out. Of course eventually. When when looking at liabilities they realized that there is a of course gamble. They can minimize the risk of that by sending money to the course to reduce the the sleep. goes for a fraction of the of the money they've taken for us on. Make sure that goes off single figure price or favor. Whatever but depending on the the price levels the first guess records barney has has ensured. Does that only has one phone line to the trying. There's new representative data trying to win by obviously by saturdays. So the only way of getting money to the trial was was contacting someone out the course itself To allow them to what was going on on the only major Public phone and bonnie ensured that there was a very large man with a supply of of two pieces. Probably in those days. Who would stay on the line For the duration of that no one else in nottingham. Hi i'm that's how the the money was stopped from getting back to the trash race similarly to the gay future which wasn't wasn't Was the same sort of time you a little. She is having a gambler by holiday whether lots of beating around the country doing it try. The dolphins have communication was with make of the biggest head. Office Lines as well to getting three but by bonnie just used a glass envelopes and knows argument. They tried but it wasn't going on monday. I don't know what the fda was it was. It was a remarkably bake oven considered fantastic. Didn't someone try and cycle to the track toward them and but he got there just as racist beginning. That's in the Certainly gay future zim scenario people were sent by car to get to the trunk from from maters head office. But that would be affable Doing wigan would have been the nearest. Some head of the continental analogy no At least seven had a scenario the chances of that people are always gonna try to find whatever method they county to offset this. So you find you find this scenario that gives you the advantage. People think that's on fair but in fairness it sean. Practice has always been shocked by for big makers to be able to Depress s face on horses well-supported. The office Graders claim that atom. There's more money going on. I'm betting offices up and down the country than the result on course at a lot of meetings but once you know once it's cleared once once the the price than It doesn't it doesn't take the same kind of money to move the price so bundy was just employing executives So if you think he gives unfair that you realize that the system itself is always never beyond reproach but he wasn't just lining touches up like this obviously the famous twenty fourteen story of the lookie fifteen's horse gamble but back in the nineteen seventies. His own right and you wanna of the done more on celtic park. I think On a learned the hard way but you can just send Dog he wants to play You only unique Clever money three so we ended up. He ended up having to to money the final. The tricks of the trade to decide is a big mate without having that the cashbox up on learns are no old of all the tough lessons by the industry doing that as jay broome once or twice. know stunning of the dogs. So he gradually learns less. Lesson alerted the tricks. All the people were playing with can learn from. I learned from from people who are respectively was trying to do against that his love you behind the ears and you need to. You need to learn on. He listened to good advice on the ignored advice. He made his way. The thing that most people don't really realize by early early is the vast majority of money that he admitted blessing was on basis based on his reading of the forbid. Like the idea that the clearly people get this idea. If you ask people are good interesting fairly recently But are aware of the legend body. They will tell you Fix races on Invaded or you know. Make sure that they were well to council. I'd always you know there was an orioles need to do that. But often it's some evidence. Fantasy game in terms of getting account mark The difficult thing in making your is being able to get on a decent price But also you know body mid big money betting ingrid once because he knew he could get good. Bad people aren't being grading less wary of laying one little bit of lopsided books as well in the plastics. So you want a quarter of a million when reference that point one of the darby In a number of scenarios in the classics in grip go goofy racists knowing that you trust to four when he read the fog better than most people aso the idea that he was always you know he was always doing something. Snide is a long way. get tried to make the point about high. The big making game was was Was fatally flawed by and you know he would walk into the ring When he watches himself on the prices just be wiped off the board on interestingly period but varney license under the sources running in his own colors The very few doubles because he can get on ademir. He made the point about lied. The you know if he didn't want to back a horse the figures knew he didn't want to push the all time horses drifted. They go i a- bodies on stuffiness but often as a case of this devil background Folk scenario was a horse Boundaries but week before he was he was turay was turning on under penalty. I think it was a better rampant. Body didn't really fancy. Of course his his attended to be priced ridiculously short in case on he was going through problems. If i didn't find the three you know new shenanigans involved the most with drifts because the money never came for it unethical. Go look at this shifted from all day to one. And i might add need to start with so all stories are wide in the mark. I'm certain either you pipe gobbles. There's no died that he got his horses. Tiny cats. I'm the way a lotta By making sure they were running the road trip on grind george. They were knocked divide since He knew he knew when he could bet on. The you know. I was a little bit i think he was elevated to the scientists. I lotta people like he. Was you know. The pumpers powell as punch Until you didn't know so he was. It was really the pal regard. But he didn't have to be. You knows why was it a little bit. I was always psyche senegal when he was referred to the pumpers powell bus Away and i've seen people suggesting these Scumbag about again. Let's just absolutely new understanding of what he's done. He also aided up on a hell of a low for charity as you know When when he got warned off eagle award of briefly in the uk when he suggested that a certain jokey was was bent. Certain junkies donated in the most bennis junkie in fifty years. But i find by. He told the gop club. This jokey not horse. I want you to inquiry instead. He told the joke employer integrated this guy because he installed your voices is bad. News and i want to suggest that joke stopping divorces east famous anyway Everyone goes to the now. The inquiry the inquiry van As far as concerned inquiry into this jockeys riding in question of the treated on his head and said actually is inquiry into you. We think you've you've made threats against the jockey threats against the trader in question We're withdrawing your license out. He went to the courts overturned on the second hearing on e. goes licensed by too sweet They find a product a recording. The conversation he had to prove that a what he said he. He essentially suggested this You've clearly this horse on. You need money doing it if you if you do need the money you've made it to the injured jockey's fund will forget but be aware college and i'm watching it on. That was taking the threat. Which i think it's a very Not makes them a bit of a bit announce. A hero was the contradict Bouquets famous blackmail steeple But tells them that he just wanted to make a donation the Exactly the same thing. I'm so it starts off with being opposite villain of this pace yet at the end of the you think well you know. All these people have done something dodgy on. He's some enosis dodgy. If they do the right thing he will forget about it. I'm suggesting that's not the way the world should work. But i think you look you see curly through different lands when you're aware that he was genuinely concerned for the benefits of force racing. He was genuine concern for the benefit of on his jockeys and trainers And when he saw what he thought was injustice and his view. Different to a lot of other people he pursued any felt. It was worth pursuing. I i read his autobiography. I disagree with a lot of things he says on that. But i agree with others. And i think You need to understand demand on come to conclusions based on on what he says on his own recollections. I don't think there's anything hidden in his autobiography. I think you'll learn a lot about. His morality in society is a slightly twisted morality. I think but it was very very moral enemy believed in justice and he believes during the right thing and i think through their a million words people in the world In someone like curly not does make him genuinely a character and when we talk about car in the again it annoys me a little bit because often what we mean is. Is you know people just break the rules. You know been conjugate e. Drunk driver beat his wife character. That's not a character but those people are always are always referred to as much as they should be Curly curly was yes you can. You can take issue with with With his methods on you can take issues lay dealt with certain things but he was. A genuine contract was an enormous amount of depth. Student was genuinely complex. And i think A few if you are making a snap judgment about bonnie currently based on limited information read as much as you can you may know comes conclusion as others But you'll learn lot more by demand. Probably save frankie dettori live. That's another thing to point time. I reckon just what he would be dead if cutting out. Can you explain that. Because he's said something similar himself but can you says again Kelly said to jehovah greg. Ics and he was the kind of guy who would see someone who was spiraling out of control. I'd say listen. I can see what you're having. It's going to be disastrous You do what i say. I'll help you is You know. But i will help. You ought to. You've got to follow certain rules On frankie dettori hits you know hit the jackpot when he was a teenager here. You know he's writing writing on winners in his teens. others no dog. The kind of the disappointing thing is. Frankie is happy. It's over by this But we all know we know the history is you read out. What find he does. He was contrite. In hong kong was stopped by the police with cocaine in his car he. He's had issues with cocaine over the years. Which which again disappointingly. Frankly we'll talk about it's all But he was out of stage in his career worries. All things are going wrong. Those already punishes began to break up on security came along on basically became a surrogate father to them Noted dettori didn't get support from his father. But you know we needed someone. New markets have got dream otherwise he going gonna fall into the wrong hands on he was you know he was cleaning jobs. Own destiny joy came along basically given us heist essentially Instead right i will give you. i'll give routes. I'll give you a sense of purpose. A you've got to count on you to listen to to wisdom would like hearing it Both dot did on. Frankie definitely benefited enormously from rats. Where he would you know. You may have come out of that. Let someone his own He may have got worse. He needed someone to stay on current attitudes on. He was there to see if other people in similar situations home. That's really fascinating tale. You're a hundred percent. Everything you've said. There is factually accurate and is available to look up in news stories. He also set up direct aid for africa Which is an incredible showers and went there. went to zambia and did remarkable work Sarah's you reflect on friend or foe sanchez center. The one thing that you will remember is that he. He wasn't an absolute legend of racing. Whether you regard him as not entirely certain that you'd want to your training career on The the foundations of bernie carly's but he like roy said no the form of better than him nineteen seventy-two. He had ten thousand pounds on roberto to in the darby. How much was ten thousand pounds in. Nineteen seventy two or. I don't know the answer to that question. You ask siri hold on a surrey. How much was ten thousand pounds sterling in nineteen seventy-two find. Jesus christ boat seventy grant so but seventy thousand pounds. Basically what he had gone back in the seventy s. How do you remember him. I wouldn't know much about him as rory does but that was ready interesting. I originally also biography I suppose i'd probably be like a lot of people my age. He's kind of partial racing folklore and love to hear vitamin. that's true unity. Wouldn't believe it sounds like a story or that was part of a filipino Based on his story but even the fact that he wanted to be a priest dirtyjohn or iran's there the other day that he managed show bonds for a while is seizures sends a character in the genuine sense they're gonna euphemism tons on Thought of quite moving reading. Tom brady said about him her. He a Dmed with a mortgage. Even things like that so limp is influence extended beyond racing And he was genuine janina genuinely considerate of other so No racing has lost a proper proper legend but signs of things is just teams days. Those tiny gamblers are over. We kind of want them to happen. Every now and then Springs in the news at someone's having a gamble but those kinda gone was from days gone by land sentence skulduggery in a little bit of romanticism that racing thrives on kind of the mysticism of racing in some ways may stewards integrates pacey. That we don't have anything anymore. Yeah i'm kind of i'm with you. On the and at the same token see someone like john dances frustration. You're putting a lot of money into the game and then you're running your horses honestly in someone else comes along. Then and andy capp and you get done and hang up. Come on what's what's going on here But but that being said there is the rizza mystique to barney carly And and there is a mysticism to that. And like if you meet people in pub- who are friends of yours or your inches use to someone and they say oh Sarah's a racehorse trainer identical immediately. Start asking you. Oh how do you. How do you line up. Because that's what they've heard that they've heard lining touches the they hear the you know at does podcast racing. Like how korkut is it like. How do you know how much skulduggery goes on today. Like how do you know when a horse is gonna win. It's not like that like the it's incredibly well regulators. It really is Yes we all know who. We all know We oversee can't say but we all know which jockeys you avoid and which trainers you avoid and and ultimately won forces you to have a bet ultimately wants to place a bet it's it's your own decision But i choose to look back at him and look at them very fondly. I think that i would be. I think that i would contradict myself in that if it was happening now with someone else. I probably bring the hammer down. Sarah if you did it bring the hammer down you but if someone did it now there's going to lend pforzheimer one of these days you wait and see. It's going to happen. The queen of dundalk Or fund orca should say but it. It's it's interesting how you can look at some of this stuff. And completely over the top and overreact. I've always been fascinated in in the story of barney carly and maybe that's because i grew up. Hearing my uncle spoke about him. I grope hearing my mother talk about When she works in bookmakers and How punters would follow him. Blindly when a gamble on. But also when you learn as rory says that. It wasn't just that he was lining up horses themselves. It was that he was a brilliant professional punter. He was really good at knowing that. And he put jamie spencer on the right path. He he saved. Frankie dettori life time queasy left. Ballydoyle could've stayed there left. It went to the uk and barney. Carli took him under his wing and and he's as he said he spoke eloquently about him So i choose to remember him very very fondly. And i think he he benny the dip as well and the darby ten grand each way. I think i remember reading that. In the chris cook piece which highly recommend in the racing post but he He was a phenomenal man and he gave back an enormous amount racing and He will be remembered as one of the great characters. And when i say characters. I mean in the b. phrased as was saying earlier on You couldn't to bananas to a banana with the bookmakers Will definitely play that little clip towards the end I'm really saddened. That he passed away and i would love to have interviewed him as one of my biggest regrets that i didn't Right that's it. We're back on thursday. Hopefully rory will have recovered. And we'll be in top form to on earth some winners for us for the weekend and in order for rum for several bowls of brown. Did i send you a little bit hard. You don't meet on yourself apparently Your your your better half is gonna have to do that for your auriemma fray. But i'll tell you. I'll send you a bottle of hennessy. As long of me sending you the hennessy. A her in her making an odd for you drink around yet doesn't marital life. Sound like bliss. Sarah it is that he just needs to know your limits and so what did you say sir. I didn't think he says i'd sick. Kobe case the monthly. Oh i how. I haven't claimed this fluid because i knew that you know given the new was not had the flu for a year i'd be i'd be dangerous territory. Yeah some no one's had the flu at all your one hundred percent rise. Everyone has code. That's that's how it works The name of the horse that sarah who finished third as a board broad be a or ud for your racing post trucker irish racing track or whatever it is. You're using and i would highly recommend that you put that horse into your trucker Behind pino delray rio. Rio pinar. del. Rio we've got there and the answer Sarah line has been an absolute pleasure. I mean back on the show and looking forward to your expert insight on the show again sooner rather than later hopefully rally an roy. Rg get better soon bottle of brandy on the way to you. We'll try and send it hot. But i'm sure it'll be grounds have come seriously Youtube thanks lori. Runway like never decent. Don't apologize for dropping bombs or for lack of sympathy. It's bloody brilliant That's it. We'll see thursday We're doing a special on friday as well about the dream alliance film. So we'll tell you more about that. friday special funding for the buck has to come and We got the contents epsom. So if you want to listen to andrew blair white talk about our thoughts on epsom. You can listen to that podcast wherever you get your podcast apps Kind of social media would be much appreciated From sarah rory and for me. Thank you for this thing. Enjoy your weekend enjoy. We even what the hell am i saying. Maybe i've just got rory's flu stay safe. Everybody have you buy best way. Wouldn't want talk talking absolute rubbish rubbish. Your your farce and shores he. 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Behind The Numbers with Bruce Bolger, Founder of The Enterprise Engagement Alliance

Behind The Numbers

28:08 min | 9 months ago

Behind The Numbers with Bruce Bolger, Founder of The Enterprise Engagement Alliance

"Everyone and welcome back to behind the numbers is the show where we dig deeper to understand what really matters most in business. My name is Dave Bookbinder, a senior director at cf Gi. Today, we're GONNA be talking about a topic that is certainly relevant and oftentimes misunderstood and talking about the concept of stakeholder capitalism and pleased to welcome as my guest today Bruce Bolger, who's the founder of the Enterprise Engagement Alliance Bruce. Welcome to behind the numbers. Big Big. First, let's kickoff by telling the audience a little bit badge you are in the. Line. My name is. Bolger founder, the enterprise engaging the lines which was created in two thousand eight based on ten years of overwhelming research that organized have a strategic and systematic focus on the needs of all their stakeholders actually outperformed companies that focus more narrowly on the short-term Zell's for shareholders. So at that point, the research was so compelling we really needed to create an implementation framework. Okay. The sounds great. How do you engage the entire enterprise? So we endeavoured and we succeeded in creating a formal curriculum in the curriculum and certification process, and if you will a six sigma approach to achieving your goals to people. That sounds good Let's start with if you wouldn't mind the concept of engagement, it's in the name of your organization employee engagement is something everybody talks about in trying to harness it for the discretionary effort and I think that's a good springboard for the discussion of stakeholder capitalism. But if you wouldn't mind, let let us all understand from your perspective. What is engagement, how it's defined? The obvious. Why does it matter? Well you know. We define it as is fostering the proactive involvement of everybody can help you achieve your organization's goals, and if you will if you're a CEO or an owner, imagine of everybody felt the same way about your organization that you do. What type of actual incremental benefit would you achieve and that was not measurable in the past so it was considered a warm and fuzzy almost like a religion. So those companies believed in it like her Keller, the founder of southwest, airlines and mackey founded Amazon apartment on Amazon whole foods they believed in, but it couldn't be proved now it can be proved as you know, Dave an expert in his area there's a true our walk. In, so the differences now with the concept of engagement is that you have a strategic and systematic approach to engaging the entire enterprise in your vision and making everybody feel like owners even if they're not. Yeah. Thank you for that, and the term strategic matic is something that I've heard you say a million times and I'm sure we're GONNA kick that around in the conversation that that's about to follow here. Let's jump into this whole idea of stakeholder capitalism. It's term that's often misunderstood and I've written about the idea that maximizing shareholder value as a long term strategy probably isn't the most effective way to think about growing business enterprise. Can you help us to understand bruce what really is the definition of stakeholder capitalism at because it has become somewhat of political football Well, that's really unfortunate because you know Dave anything in this country that becomes politicised it's it's astor in the whole concept of ISOS standards, which in many ways since the international organization for Standardization is to have a sensible pragmatic fact based on emotional approach to things, and that's the spirit with which we bring. To stakeholder capitalism in there is no clear definition and so we have this national debate developing You know candidate Biden mentioned the concept in his economic plan and bashes the traditional concept of shareholder engagement, which, of course, raised a certain people on the right to call Rove actually exploited on Chris Wallace show several weeks ago about this notion of stakeholder capitalism. Being, creeping, socialism and Chris Wallace look rarely, you would ever see this and Chris Wallace look like a deer Clinton headlights. He'd never heard of stakeholder gap was this and what is called wall upset about when various simply stakeholder capitalism is really another way of saying the principles of enterprise engagement and about achieving your organization's goals by fostering the involvement of all of your stakeholders. Shareholders know darn level without an customers without employees about distribution partners without supply chains, not friendly communities business is going to be thwarted in in optimizing its performance. So it's just as Rebecca Henderson, professor of Harvard said recently, she said if you define stakeholder capitalism is addressing the needs of all stakeholders each just good business. So this notion of creeping socialism is absurd. Now, the reasons why people are opposed to it that I don't think we're being addressed totally we can talk about that if you'd like. Yeah let's let's do that I. Mean we're where's the confusion lie? I don't think it's so much confusion as fear shareholder capitalism is based on really short termism. You're the two ways to make your money. There's the grasshopper and there's hand right The grasshopper hops from opportunity to opportunity and I hate to say it but that's the. Share Grasshopper capitalists have hurt. The brand of capitalism is what they do is they suck wealth they hop from opportunity to opportunity slash claws, cut our D. pay themselves. Big Goods Orbin denounce of money private equity fees, lawyer fees. Meanwhile. Suck. Wealth Out of things. Now, the H. Insults for shareholders and you know what it's legal I think there should be allowed to do it. I don't believe it should be outlawed. Let the market decide who you'd rather do it. I think the other type of capitalism is the is the is the capitalist he says, you know what I don't WanNa make money. Making, them customers, unhappy underpaying employees, running up lawsuits, having safety problems, kicking environmental risks down the road. I'd rather make money in a way this war that gets everybody excited. So I think capitalism free markets allow a choice and I say, let's let's see what people would want to do business with grasshopper capitalists you know or it's not letting cynical cheering recap listens fine with me because heroes his return. So I think the the enemy is the grass over Capel's. And I tailing on that point. The idea of maximizing shareholder value. Certainly a good concept at not necessarily the main strategic imperatives per se when you have all these other constituents but I think one of the fundamental problems that people have pointed out throughout history with regard to this just exclusive focus on shareholder value. Is that to your point of hopping around it leads to a lot of short term decision making to meet short-term objectives as opposed to maybe necessarily thinking about the longer haul because the people involved in making those decisions may not be there if they don't survive the short-term turbulence of meeting earnings expectations, for example. Typical tenure of his CEO is under three years. So they're just looking at how they can you know quickly not all of them but the traditional CEO was not people from their bottom line focused in their orientations three years. But I think we have to kick out this notion that there's any kind of the shareholders are making any kind of sacrifice stigler capitalism there. In because at the end of the day, if the organizations clear about its values up front, very clear and that's a fundamental allocated, your brand culture, your values have to be aligned and when they are new saying your shareholders, this is what we stand for. These are the types of decisions were gonNA make. This is how we're going to attack our business and you don't like it don't invest. And likewise when you're -ployees your customers who distribution and supply chain partners in your communities if you're clear on your values, your clear on how you're. GonNa make money. You can be true too long stakeholders, I I think this whole notion that stakeholder capitalism is about dividing the pie in a different way of as Alex sediments professor of Finance at London Business School is to say it's really that the pie creating value and a line of your investments. The people who actually contributed the results. Yeah I for folks watching and listening who went to learn more about you or they want to connect with you. What's the best way for them to do that? Well, that's nice. You door that the enterprise engagement alliance. Our main site is at the e e A. Dot. Org veg the. E. A. Dot org or you can just google enterprise engagement and you'll find us when which way or another and I and I also can be founded bolger at the EA DOT Org. Yeah. I also know that you're pretty prolific on link dinners well. We have about just a couple more minutes to go in this first segment brisk I wanted to just maybe clarify compare and contrast this concept of es investing, which is also another popular. Terminology that we're seeing in the investment space environment or social governance how does that either differ or dovetailed with this concept of stakeholder capitalism? Will they will at. Is Social and environmental social and governance. So enterprise engagement, the whole concept of stakeholder capitalism embraces all of those areas, an e for environmental as for social G. for governs and holy show environmental to me. Just you know taking all politics again concerns about climate change all let's just remove all of that and we are worried -sition doesn't cover anything but the s okay. We're not involved with environmental but the whole notion of okay I'm GonNa town earbud beautiful town on the Hudson River and we have a twenty six acre taxes toxic waste them. That's. been there since nineteen sixty, it will take another five years to clean it up. It's costing billions of dollars and the companies, the shareholders the CEO's made the investment in that and that caused all that a long gone. So to me, it's not good for Cheryl were. So sketchiest paying for this now shareholders of BP or pay twenty, billion dollars for decisions that were made twenty thirty years ago by people that are dead. So the whole notion of politicizing environmental issues to me is absurd it's just following God's practice you know cleanliness is next to godliness wouldn't. You can debate forever whether there's climate change the Dave I move next door to you and I opened an egg decide on another smoking I start smoking hands and put up ten smokers in the smoke is wafting into your yard. That's just not good. That's not nice. So I don't really want to get into the environmental area. But because it's not my area of expertise, but it's not good for shareholders to kick environmental and safety risks down the road and that's another element of share of me of grasshopper capless. Yeah. It's pay now or pay later right so ultimately. I think it's unfair to the later votes. Yeah I think that's a really good spot for us to take a commercial break. So folks in the production area we're going to pause here bruce don't go anywhere. We'll pay a few bills and come back and continue this conversation with Bruce. Bolger. Plus this This. Assets. Don't drink. Listen what will make your event simply beautiful is it your attire? Your decorations, your entertainment. Will join me a leashes simone as I chat with some amazing vendors and clientele who share their stories and images and their experiences right here on. Tuesday eleven thirty, A. M. and Wednesday at four PM. It will be simply beautiful. See then. Welcome back to behind the numbers I'm Dave bookbinder. Today, we're talking about stakeholder capitalism with the founder of the Enterprise Engagement Alliance Bruce Bolger Bruce good stuff in that first segment I WANNA kick off this second segment with something it's timely. Just this week the SEC made an announcement regarding some human capital disclosures that are long-awaited and for some people. They thought it was a little bit weak in terms of what the ultimately offered Why don't you tell the audience a little bit about what those disclosures are your thoughts on just how far they've gone and where else they could go maybe. And I'm one of the few big proponents view in capital and that is. Truly rejoicing over this and I I, agree with the critics and it isn't specific enough I. Think Ironically. The lack of specificity is specifically, I should say is going to be regretted by the SEC in way but I I think it's a momentous move in I personally give credit. To SEC chair. Jay Clayton, and again, we are totally nonpartisan. We just look at the facts and he has been a major proponent of human capital. I've seen him give speeches on where he's on the edge of tears of niece. Just I think this Jim remarkable -CCOMPLISH CACERES. It's SEC's in a word that human capital material to organization's success material. That word has eagle wings on not an attorney. But when you state that something's material, you're basically saying that if you're not addressing that issue, you are at risk of A. Failing to meet your sharing sponsor abilities to your investors not to. Everyone is upset those opponents Argentine capitol that the only thing that the SEC is said as you must report number employs. And paraphrasing, you must also report on those human capital resources and metrics that you are using to drive your hume to address your human capital issues. Now, he leaves it to the CEO to determine what he or she deems necessary. Now, we're in the time of covid nineteen. Were in the time of black lives matter. And you're gonNA tell me. There's a CEO on earth. See that people are not critical. and in the time when seventy percent of consumers and investors in the survey by just capital say that how companies are treating people as important to them, and that es g funds are being flooded with money right now generally outperforming the the rising stock market in popularity in and return people are going to looking at this. So you tell me I can just imagine what's happening in thirty, nine, hundred public companies around the US right. Now, in the next coming weeks, these lawyer is going to come into the CEO or the CFO and say on Joan Jack by the way. We now have to comply with this new. Regulation. Oh We don't have to state of the link capital practices and resources including what we're doing to develop, attract and retain employees we have to. We have to now disclose those practices metrics that we use to run our business to the extent that we consider the material to our success. I could see a lot of Homina Homina home going on right now, and if nothing else that's going to raise some very big. Philosophical. Questions it's. So if a company cares about people, it's going to view at one way. They might even Judas an opportunity become aggressive is I'm going to go all out and I'm GonNa tell people a lot and the companies that are discuss. Oh, grasshopper capitalists are going to be in a bind because if you put two paragraphs in new Dave. Very little information. That's can speak volumes. Yeah look you know that. I'm a Finance Guy Right in evaluation profession, and you also know that I'm somewhat of a used the term evangelist of people have called me an evangelist for the value that people contribute to the value of a business enterprise. So I'm with you. I'm happy with this. I. Didn't do cartwheels when I saw it but I certainly did a little happy dance because I. Think it's the beginning of a first step like you said and acknowledging this I I'm hopeful that it's going to result in people winding up on a financial statement and it's it's not lost on me like you said that this announcement was made in the middle of a global pandemic. So all those things are call signs pointing to positive. In your statement there you mentioned something you alluded to this idea of metrics, right so we're GONNA have to figure out what to disclose and how to disclose it, and I know you've got some thoughts on metrics Bruce. Share those. that. which gets measured gets done and I think the Derby problem of the human resources field is that they focused on the social work aspect of their work and not on the business aspect. And we really do we're going to get resources invested in people companies the right to know that the return on investment as and there's been a general feeling that you couldn't measure human capital whether you can measure them in capital if you apply the very same processes that I. So International Organization for Standardization applied to transforming quality management in the Nineteen Ninety S. You can their multiple measures in in terms of people there's about five million portent measures that every company should have and very few very few. I'd never run into a company has and it's not just enough to have a metric that you have to act on those metrics are human capital return on investment and as a calculation of the stick at which your you were getting Roi on your investment in people, and it's actually a pretty simple calculation and then human capital value add the extent to which your human capital's contributing your bottom line, and then your revenues your costs. Per Customer and Roy and their willingness to refer which is a measurement of engagement. and then your training and development effectiveness and your diversity and inclusion equity. Those are very five important metrics. Every company can track and their ways to compare them with other companies, different tools out there now that you can use the benchmark and then you can use the more time actually predict even performance your human capital Roi evaluate and has been shown to be able to actually predict even performance. Yeah and these Jordan's performance. Yeah and these items that you mentioned when you you think about the folks like just capital and others in the work that they've done. These items when done correctly in the soul spirit of. We'll call it stakeholder capitalism your for lack of a better definition. They will those companies that do this outperform their peers empirical documented evidence. So why don't you speak to that Bruce because this isn't just disclosure for the point of disclosure islands has always been doing the right thing. Around your human capital results in a greater enterprise value you to, it's even talk. Is Use, the word strategic and systematic. The answer is not automatic. You know the problem is with a lot of our human capital expenditures. Now, they're very ad hoc. I would define ninety percent of the company's HR practices at Hawk and reactive it's very much like quality management was back in the eighties. There was a lot of talk of quality circles and I forget all the lingo that was going on but quality's Not. Good. In the US and so you really you can't just throw money at people you have to ask for strategic as dramatic approach based on your brand, your vision, your values, your culture, and that alignment right and once you have that alignment which is fundamental. Then you can actually implement strategies that make sense. So for instance, it's all about integrating with companies currently silo. For instance, coaching recruitment learning. Communications rewards recognition of diversity collaboration. These are processes that should be allied mich should be interlocking, but it most companies enormous amounts of money is really stood inefficiencies in politics or created because you have training doing one thing. Then Senate people doing something else somebody's hiring these coaches, US getting an employee engagement survey. Playing. H and service it's on the shelf and there's no measurement of anything and the people don't WanNa lose their budgets. So they put in for them next year and the silly sight of absurdity goes on and this is true I'm sorry in about eighty percent of companies Yup Bruce, how can folks get in contact with you if they want to learn more? On. Again, thank you. Email is bolger the EA dot. Org. The Dot Org, and of course, Google Enterprise engagement and you'll find me or course Lincoln. Coal we've got about five minutes to go bruce I WANNA cop cover two topics here. One is with regard to who ultimately should be responsible for managing these metrics implementing these metrics inside an organization. My Spider sense tells me you're likely to say it's a CFO but let me if I'm wrong. You're spider senses probably right of the CEO of course has to me. The CEO is not behind the effort and continuing behind the effort. it will work I. Think the CFO is the best. person to help coordinate. because. See it doesn't just involve a jar. It also involves marketing sales, customer service operations. So that's why we call enterprise engagement. You cannot silo your brand in your culture if you do. That's what you get this misalignment and etc on. So the CI is to have everything in alignment of focused on the same goals and the CFO I think is the person best suited for that. Yeah, not surprised and The point of aligning brandon culture is something that is certainly a strategic imperative that every organization needs to get. Right. Let's talk a little bit about the future. If you could look into your crystal ball 'cause I know you've been doing this, you've been at this evangelizing this for a very, very long time. Now that we finally gotten some SEC input with regard to disclosures, where do you see this? We'll call it a movement heading going forward. Even I've been at it longer than anybody just about is alive or a few I think. Tom Peters is still alive and I think he's Peppers other people are still alive. They didn't call stay culpepper capitalism either way but in. Those principles? I seen many false summit. SOM. Neal's a hiker of all stubbins when you're the top, you're not. I've seen so many of them in thirty years because it's it's common sense. You take our one this way you know just obvious But I'm more never been more optimistic and I I hate to say it I think again, disruption causes change and I think this would have happened anyway but it would have taken about ten more years but everything is happening is compressing things and many experts. She sang that things that would've taken ten years are GonNa take about two and which going to really drive it Dave is digitalization of because here's the reality the company to now one in a sense, a cable into the phone of every single employee and I can't believe that every company doesn't have this even a tiny company can benefit because it's so expensive powerful. Cold employee engagement debris is engagement APPs portals, and it's the ability to have everything about your organization on an act, and that includes your vision your brain new value see ability for employees to provide feedback surveys. A learning center tests was escape affiliation rewards, recognition social recognition on all these things now can be placed in nap our on a website of an employer software. As Sas you know software process and so we. Can literally today connect with every employee every customer, every distribution partner engaged them and measure it and comparative performance I think in the very beginning of that I I would say the engagement field is early early stage and you will see an enormous investment digitalization of the quasi underpriced the next two to four years, and that ironically will drive it from a practical standpoint. We're the social issues of covert and the dissatisfaction with. Capitalism the drive it from a higher level. Yeah. I'm also optimistic that. These, disclosures may be deemed to be tepid by some standards that the companies that are doing the right thing going to be more forthcoming in these kinds of disclosures to make an example of themselves, and that may lead others to to think a little bit more deeply about their disclosures too. So that's my Lens Bruce. We are out of time here in behind the numbers south things go very fast and this was a really fun and enlightening conversation. Thank you for joining us today. Most of my pleasure. Thank you very much dude. Hopefully we'll have you back again in the future. As these things continued unfold, we've been talking stakeholder capitalism today with Bruce Bolger, who's the founder of the Enterprise Engagement Alliance. My name is Dave bookbinder. If you'd like to learn more about me or reach out to have a conversation, you can find me on all social media platforms linked in facebook and twitter. 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"The. AP radio news. I'm Tim Maguire. Protesters were urged to shun President Trump and first lady Melania Trump when they arrived today at the Pittsburgh synagogue where eleven worshippers were killed last Saturday. Back and follow the March funerals for four of the victims are held today. There will be services from now until Friday for the eleven people killed in the last Saturday's rampage Trump in the first lady arrived after today's funerals lit candles for each of the victims in the synagogues vestibule afterwards at a makeshift memorial stars of David outside the Trump's laid white roses as well as stones for each of the dead. The president says he's considering an executive order overturn birthright citizenship for children born of non-citizens or people in this country illegally even with the right protected by the fourteenth amendment a piece, you'll Calvin reports the ideas part of Trump's immigration plans head of next week selections focusing on immigration and putting forward a whole bunch of proposals. Some of them reasonable many of them, not many of them not practical that he is throwing out there as he tries to rally his base going into these elections next. Tuesday, constitutional experts say only another amendment can. Overturn the protections. Six year old twin brothers are nine year. Old sister killed an eleven year old neighbor in critical condition after all four the children were hit by a pickup truck. A walking across a road aboard their school bus in rural northern Indiana this morning alkyl the twins. And their sister tells W R TV she tried to get them out of the way she had a split second to. Think of what to do? And she chose shooter brothers with that split second. Stay police say the buses stop sign. Arm was extended before the crash the pickup driver, a twenty four year old woman faces three counts of reckless homicide as well as other charges. This is AP. Radio news. Boston mobster once one of the country's most wanted men Whitey Bolger has been found slain in a federal prison Bolger ruled south Boston alleging or people, you know, growing up. Cool, but Tommy Donahue had a different view scumbag. Actually, he's a mass murderer and his family Bolger is alleged to kill Donahue's father Whitey Bulger led the mob in south Boston and also became an FBI informant. He was on the run since nineteen ninety four but was apprehended sixteen years later, Sean mcgonagall recalled at Bolger sentencing, a call he received when he was twelve years old just call my house Christmas time coming home and ask. What he bulge your had just been transferred to the West Virginia prison and a medical examiner declared him dead shortly after his arrival Donahue necessary planet, hunting space telescope Kepler is out of fuel and has gone silent over its nearly ten years in orbit. It's spotted more than twenty six hundred planets. I'm Tim Maguire radio news. Entertainment designed just for you, then checkout, customizable, streaming TV from finishing. It makes your life simple easy. Awesome. Expended? He gives you, customizable, streaming TV options. Enjoy the most free shows anywhere on any device and even access your streaming apps right on your TV with x one. Good to expend dot com. Call one eight hundred Finnity or visit a store today. To learn more restrictions apply.

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"Welcome to the sporting life with Jeremy shabby. Over the next hour. Former Rams quarterback Mark Bolger SIS Jared Goff can handle the spotlight in this weekend's NFC championship to maintain. And I'm sure he will good head on his shoulders. It's not easy to get to the position. You know, the NFC championship game this early in a career of youth officiated in keep doing exactly what he's doing obviously working plus vulgar, discussing his run at the twenty twenty two Winter Olympics in curling initially. They thought it was maybe a gimmick, and we kinda making a mockery of it. But after they lost their slide in the way, we play the way we respect the beginning. They started to get a better understanding, we're really serious about good, man. And his new tell all memoir Trevor Krause reveals the tricks. He's learned from years of sneaking into the world's biggest sporting events. Thirty one in total the masters three World Series game during that twenty eleven World Series Super Bowl in Indianapolis. When the giant beat the patriots for the second time and Wimbledon final. And a bunch of other sporting events in the US. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Here's Jeremy shop. Welcome to another Bishop scoring life will be speaking later in the show to the author of a new book about the art of sneaking into sports events will also be talking to former NFL quarterback Mark Bolger on conference championship game weekend. But I as this week we reflect on Martin Luther King junior's legacy. We celebrate pioneers in the struggle for equal rights. Joining us here on the show a pioneer in the field of sports, the first Latina Commissioner of a division one college sports conference glory of our as of the west coast conference. Gloria thank you for being with us. Thank you for having me, Jeremy and advancing the conversation. Appreciate it. You've been on the job now for almost a year. What does the experience been like I you've worked at the conference before you became the Commissioner? What's it like being the boss? You know, everyone asks me how it's what is like to be back. And I have to say what I love about this. League is existing league. Same you know, culture values a lot of the same people. But over the ten years since I've been gone, and then now back it has become a completely differently. There's so much momentum and energy and enthusiasm about investments and really elevating the profile of the west coast conference school. So it's really a fun. I've termed it as a tipping point in the league. And I'm really excited to be back in to be a part of it. Lose. You don't know west coast conference includes BYU, Gonzaga, Loyola Marymount Pacific, Pepperdine, Portland. Saint Mary's San Diego, San Francisco, and Santa Clara, some of the best sceneries certainly in the country as some of the best sites for schools, and and some very strong athletic schools. You know, as someone who is now the first doing what she is doing as Latina. What's the significance of that for you? You know, at first it really wasn't on my mind when pursuing and trying to win the job when we were dropping, you know, it'd be paying clear that you know, this. This is a talking point this is an achievement and for me, I really hope that it was which in young girls young women who might be looking at careers in sports the pink that they too can do this about thirty two division one. Commissioners head of which are women, and there will be a future. When one of those BCS power five conferences of led by a woman. Speaking with Laurie Navarre's of the west coast conference. She is the first Latina Commissioner of a division one sports conference, and you help high-profile jobs before this. You're one of the top athletic administrators at the university of Oklahoma. For instance, you worked previously in the west coast conference. What is the biggest challenge? These days what constitutes most important responsibilities for division one conference Commissioner there several obviously. But I think right now in this day and age, it's really leading with integrity. I think there's a lot of question were, you know, about the ball? We don't have football and the events that are going on in men's basketball the federal investigation that weighs heavily on a lot about. And what it means to, you know, be a guardian of the sport and the opportunity to provide for so many deserving young people that I think it's been coming upon all. Us to to try to get our arms around this and and fix these issues. The investigation, of course, the federal investigation into wrongdoing in college basketball involving shoe companies as well, it's gone, very wide. And it's gone, very deep, exposing a culture that many people say has been around for a long time these crimes and ledge crimes. We're kind of hiding in plain sight is it really going to change the way businesses done in college basketball. I hope so, you know, at serve on the way oversight committee for men's basketball, and on in the discussions on all the different levels of change that were trying to get through the system, but you know, at the heart of it as a Commissioner of the west coast conference, you know, we're about to enter the another NC double A tournament James will be selected chain blow. Vance teams will do and should team get penalized. After the fact. I just think that's really unfair for those who have done as well. Both the coaches the administration student athletes who've done by the rules to then losing opportunity, you know, for some of the once in a lifetime opportunity to either go to the tournament or advance in the tournament. You know, you can't get those opportunities back. So I I really hope in and trying to help move the needle as far as getting our arms around this and and making positive change as quickly as we can in order to to bring back that balance speaking with. We're speaking with Gloria Navarrese of the west coast conference. She became last year in March twenty eighteen the first Latina Commissioner of division one athletic conference was coast conference includes schools, like get zagging, Loyola Marymount Pepperdine. You're there was a time. When running a conference was more of a administrative job, making sure that the rules were being followed. It's become hasn't really a business job negotiating TV contracts, negotiating sponsorship deals, it really is more of an NBA job than sports management job than it used to be is that right here right on what I started at started the world of compliance. You know, fresh out of Cal law school. I might law degree trying to find something to do with it in sport and conferences were generally thought of governance entities. Championship administrators making sure everybody played nice scheduled creators, whereas the modern conference is very much responsible for as you referenced the negotiation of costumes meteorites. But in addition to that, you know, a very much more external function as far as branding the group as a league trumpeting the story lines and being the platform from which to tell the stories within the league. Now, even ourselves many league had digital networks, very robust interconnected websites all of our schools, and it really is about the promotion of our brands and our schools stories and trying to get the broadest reach possible. What is it was like every day, you know, being in a business environment. Having to go sheet. All that stuff that's financial when the missions of your member institutions are. Our key missions. When those things come into conflict with each other conference perspective, you know, every day in whatever you do if you're in sales, or in whatever product, if you believe in the product, it's it's a pretty exciting and fun endeavor. And I really believe in the student experience. I played basketball in college myself. I think it is a one of a kind lifetime opportunity, and it's a game changer provide you the skills and experience that make you successful in the sweet. And if whatever we can do here in the small sliver that is college athletics to help enhance that experience. And then that's you know, what we do. So every dollar we bring in if it doesn't go to operating or small staff here in San Bruno. It goes back to the schools to help better that experience through their scholarship dollars through their athletic training through their study support. You know, you name it. There's a lot that goes into it. That that is more than just, you know, putting a camera on a game and putting the ball through someone who played college sports and someone who grew up in the age of title nine, and you've seen what a watershed that was if there's one overriding story in sports, I think over the last four plus decades, it is the emergence of the female athlete as a true force in the sports landscape. What do you how do you view your role as a champion of women's sports as the Commissioner of the west coast conference? Yeah. You know, funny. We were just talking about that in the context of the conference this week as we were kind of digging into our brand analysis, and how arly has we have a strong social Justice background. We are the league Bill. Russell brandy. Chest Chastain, liberated the sports bra while she was playing at Santa Clara you and I think there are a lot of break story out there. And as you know, being in the media, it's. It's a battle for women to get equal or important and relevant time in front of fans, and in the media space, and so as the conference office the wave we can help further that effort is to provide good opportunity to be seen on different platforms or television agreements to the best. We can lever gene our men games. You get opportunities for the women to ensure that the events we put on in the tournament settings or equal and important and valued and to continue to champion what a great experience, it is to watch these women competed such a high level, it just keeps growing and growing interest in in women's sports across the board gloried of ours is the Commissioner of the west coast conference. She's the first Latina to lead a division one sports conference flurry. Thank you so much for joining us here as we. We pay tribute to legacy of Martin Luther King junior. Cami for having me. And for everything you do as far as investigative journalism around social Justice much. Appreciate it. The sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. This weekend. We have the conference title games in the NFL determining who will be the participants in Super Bowl fifty three. One of the teams participating, of course, the Los Angeles Rams who play the New Orleans Saints Sunday afternoon. The other conference title game. We've got the patriots at the chiefs in Kansas City, joining us to discuss the NFL and the conference title games. Former NFL quarterback former Rams quarterback Mark Bolger? Mark. Thank you for being with us. Of course. Nice. Having me, Jeremy Mark, you know, the Rams pretty much obliterated the Cowboys to get to this conference championship game. Was that what you were expecting end with them being at home. I kinda did. And it's no disrespected Dallas. It was just you know, they they had such a tough game the week before in the Rams, you know, they had struggled towards the unto. But they're just so talented in you know, the way they're being coached and. Their quarterback at girl. You know? It's just I think they're on a roll, you know, Steph and be a tough a tough road to go through New Orleans. You spent a decade in Saint Louis with the Rams you still have the same kind of affinity for the team. Even though it's moved back to Los Angeles. It's a little tougher. I'm here in Nashville. So it's out there. But it was amazing when we're in Saint Louis following we had, you know, from the west coast because we are, you know, with Arizona, and San Francisco and Seattle in the fan base out there for the decades with the Rams, we would go to games, and we'd have the five and ten thousand people there, and it was just I knew if they ever went back that there will be no issue with the fan base being there. And obviously now they have the product on the field. So it's it's exciting for all its former players, you know, Jared Goff the Rams quarterback in the moment. He's only he's only twenty four years old. He's already been named to his second Pro Bowl. What is the ceiling? Forgot how. Good. Can he be Mark good as he wants? I mean, he just he he makes things look easy. I used to see that when I was in Baltimore with with Joe flacco when he was he was really rolling when guys make it look easy. You know, they're playing really well. And you just have to maintain it. I'm sure he will like I said they got the you got a good head on his shoulders. And it's it's not easy to get to the position. You know, the NFC championship came, you know, this early in your career. So he needs to appreciate it can keep doing exactly what he's doing. 'cause it's obviously working and keep keep girly healthy. And I think they'll be all right. Yeah. Remarkable running back as well. Now. Now that we're speaking with Mark Bolger the former NFL quarterback he spent nine seasons playing quarterback for the Saint Louis Rams. You were drafted though by the Rams opponents in the NFC title game. You're drafted by the saints. You never played for them. You were drafted. I believe in the year two thousand the same year. As Tom Brady. Drew Brees was just one year behind. It is a remarkable to you to see drew Brees returned forty this week playing in the NFC title game in playing as well as he has all season long. It's amazing. It honestly doesn't surprise me though. 'cause I know drew his work ethic. Yeah. In two thousand I was at the combine in alphabetically who you're your groups are walking around and Indianapolis and and Tom Brady, obviously, it's Tom Brady. We were you know, we traveled around there, and we were both rapid in the sixth round and his work ethic is second to. So it's just it's actually exciting to watch these, you know, older guys. Now, I'm on I'm not buying anymore, obviously. But their work ethic pays off. And a, you know, it's not surprising that over the lung Javadi of their careers because you could see it a young age if you knew nine years ago eight years ago, Mark your career you retired in two. Two thousand ten after the two thousand ten season after playing for a decade in the league, which is a long fruitful lucrative career. But if you know then that nine years later, we'd be talking about two guys drew Brees and Tom Brady still at the top of their games. Do you think you would have managed managed your body differently? Manage your expectations for how long you could play all those things differently. They you know, we're talking about two year contemporaries are still in league. I it was a little bit. You know aid yourself. It was a different game. When I was retiring, you, you know, you're still getting driven in the ground. And you know, we had a system where we were taking seven step asses. You know, our drops and nowadays, it's pretty much shotgun and get rid of the ball. You're obviously going to take your hips, and I'm not thinking enough of those guys. But again, they work hard. They manage their bodies. Well, you. You know, I could have stayed in the league, but I I had attack out and those guys are tougher than I am. I think. The matchup itself the saints. The Rams I think it's kind of a tough one to call team's been so productive and the defenses have been time surprisingly effective as well in Orleans. Wait, Lou, how do you see this game going? I think it's all cyclical if the pendulum in mid nineties late nineties, it was guys running around early two thousands. And you know, your your body just can't put up with that. And so then it goes back to the dropback passer. And then it goes to the short passes and use defensive coaches and players they're paid. Just about as much as the offense. And they're gonna figure out a way to stop this run pass option zeal, and it'll go back the other way, and that's not saying, you know, RPO's bad. It's just it. It'll all go back and forth. But at the end of the day, you know, you look at the drew Brees, Tom Brady's? No it is. It's unbelievable. How it is about seventy five eighty percent mental for a quarterback in the NFL. You look market Tom Brady and say, you know, if only I never ate red meat or drank coffee. Drank wine. You know, I could still be playing at forty one. You know, those things they get away. Sometimes DNA. This might be a little better. I like my caffeine a little bit, and I like steak and all that stuff. But it's it is fun though to watch him because you know, the work just as a former quarterback that he puts in during the week, not just the physical, but the mental part, and drew they know where they're going with the ball before the play even happens and for a short time in Saint Louis. You know, I had that with Isaac Bruce Torry Holt and Marshall fall, I look at coverage, and you try not to laugh because you could just look over and make eye contact with the Torry Holt. And I said we just knew here comes the touchdown and nine times out of ten, you know, with coach Marta system it happened. And I think those guys haven't continuity, I think people right that, you know, Sean Payton and drew them together for x years, you know, combat. He's been in Saint system for x years. But when you get quarterbacks there, maybe, you know, even physically better than those guys they have to switch coaches over and over again. And it's very difficult. It's it's like speaking English, and then trying to translate over to French, and then the Spanish, and you're not gonna you're not gonna translate. He was quick. And those guys have been in one language for pretty much their whole careers, which is a huge benefit. We're speaking with Mark Bolger. The former NFL quarterback longtime Rams quarterback also played for the ravens. What do you think? Rams saints who's gonna win this game? Mark. I'm alone him. You know, I'm definitely a drew Brees fan, and I do like coach Peyton I just I gotta pull from guys that's not saying they're going to win. But like I said if it's going to be a really difficult, then you I know that city will be on fire down there. So, but I don't know. I think the momentum right now is with the Rams and not just their offense. But if defensive line some special, so I gotta go with the Rams and a close one we're speaking with Mark Bolger, the former NFL quarterback he will join us in our next segment as well to speak about. A shifting focus for him on the landscape in sports. This is the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Joined again by former NFL quarterback, Mark Bolger spent ten seasons in the league playing for the Rams playing for the ravens hasn't been in professional football now in eight years, but Mark your athletic career is not at an end, you are a competing again. Can you tell us about this? This most recent ambition of yours. It sounds ridiculous. But right before the US team won the Olympic gold, buddy. Jared Allen that used to plan league for many many years called makes we both moved to Nashville and said I want to be an Olympian. So we looked into badminton, and I watched today the badminton online, and I told Jared, you're crazy. We we have no chance if that was give me week give me week you found curling. And then we were able to convince piece Bullock played, you know, forever. The NFL and Mike Reuss the teammates. And Tennessee and we've been training hard for seven months, and we have Olympic coaches and our goal is to make make Olympic curlers. You guys want to be in the Olympics as curlers? I mean, we're three years away from the Olympic Games in China. The winter games in four former all pro football players have decided they want to be Olympic curlers phys. Do you guys have any chance you ask every one of us? I say, we do, you know, we've definitely taken our lump so far we're training a ton in. I mean, we go to Minnesota twice a month to Olympic training center with our coach we train here in Nashville. We all live here. We were just in Minnesota. We were just in Vegas this past weekend. We go to Tempe in two weeks. We played the Olympic team ready. We played US. Yeah. And you know, says I'm allergy guys it's like golf you just can't get behind in curling. There's a lot of strategy. And it's just a matter of not taking triple bogeys and hasn't been get a birdie, then then you're done. But we've learned our learning curve is a lot faster than most. And we've been accepted by the curling community, which is something we didn't expect. So, but it's it's been so much fun. So far, you can imagine the skepticism, of course, Mark your and analogy guy. Let's let's flip it. I Ted if a bunch of, you know, very success. Decibel? I mean, you guys are four former all pros of very successful curlers decide, you know, what we want to play in the NFL. We'll figure out what's the best position. Maybe it's punting. Maybe it's kick gig, maybe defensive back, whatever it is. You know? Of course, everybody would laugh at them. This is not this is not laughable. There's something you guys feel is attainable. But how does the community of curling view you guys as far as you know? Initially. They thought it was maybe a gimmick. And we kinda making a mockery of it. The once we went we didn't tell anyone for five months. We train the first five months. Cape kept it below board. And then we finally went to our first tournament. You know, they we have cameras phone is. And they they didn't. I don't think perspective too much. But after they watched our slides, and the way we played and the way we respected the game. There's a lot of you know, just gentlemen rules in emails, obviously play to it's. They started to get a better understanding that we're we're really serious about this. You take the game seriously respect it. And we're honestly gonna bring a lot of light to sport that we've come to love already only in seven eight months of doing it. We're speaking with Mark Bolger, the former NFL quarterback who is now putting heart and soul into his effort to become an Olympic curler. You know, we heard these stories thirty years ago, Mark when there were number of pro football players who decided they were going to be winter Olympians as Bob sledders. But they were they were younger guys. Did you guys? Did you guys ever consider Bob sledding or was that not one of the sports other than badminton that interested you? If you've seen my legs you were though, I couldn't I didn't do bobsledding. I'm not that strong down there. But you know, it's it's one of the sports against similar to call. You can play older older guys that are you know in their fifties. And you think you're going to beat them. But then you know, it's short game the putting emphasis with curling. You know, these these guys have been doing it so long and the bait you and they strategize. You and they put the stone exactly where they want. And it's frustrating all hats. But that's why I'm happy. I'm domin. My, you know, forty one dollars year, it's thirty six he's forty one and Mike, you know, his upper thirty so we're we're not spring chickens. But we're pretty good. We can we can handle it. I gotta say again, we're speaking with Mark Bolger. I gotta say I love this story. This is like when I found out you guys were doing this. It just made me smile. I've covered a lot of Winter Olympics. I love the idea of you guys giving this a serious effort. You're clearly not mocking the sport. But you're you're doing if this sounds like a buddy movie in the making. Why do you why do you want this? Why do you feel you need this? I just did we we all have those competitive juices. And honestly, we we got into it. And we we bicker on the ice with each other. And those three are a lot bigger than me. And I say stuff to them like, oh, boy, I'm out on a football field anymore. I gotta watch myself. But it's it's one of those things we just wanted to say, you know, competitive sports. And this was the only way I think that we were able to do it. I know Vernon Davis curled, and I do think, you know, we were documenting most of this most packages most events, you know, we we have to travel really far north pretty much every weekend. But it would be a heck of a story. But more importantly, I think now that we're you were accepted in the computer community of curling. We do want to help promote the sport. Because it's it's just not as easy as it looks on TV. I I. I was one of those people trapped in that the same as golfers or or football players when someone makes it look easy. It's it's it's not that easy. Exactly. You know? What would you do? Jeremy you make it sound easy. When you're doing interviews. It's it's not easy. And we we appreciate that producers might disagree with that assessment. But thank you, Mark. I appreciate the compliment. We're speaking with Mark Bolger, the former NFL quarterback now aspiring Olympic curler. It's just a straight story. It's such a great story. I gotta say I was at when curling was a demonstration sport before it was a medal sport back in nineteen Ninety-two and Albertville at at those Winter Olympics, I was at the curling venue. And I'll never forget it was in Pralognan, Lavin wise in France. And at that point, nobody in the US knew anything about curling. It was before you know, everybody became a curling fan. I'll remember if it was Salt Lake City in two thousand and two or it really took off where it was turned in two thousand six, but it's remarkable have that. Sport has exploded in the public consciousness because of its inclusion on the Olympic program. I just think it's great that you guys four former NFL pros are giving it a shot. It's been a pleasure, Mark. Thank you so much for joining us here on the sporting life enjoy conference championships Sunday, and we hope to have you again here on the show any time. Jeremy thanks again for having. These these the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. And in two weeks the biggest event on the sports calendar will arrive, of course, that is the Super Bowl, and it's not just the most watched event Bruce also in many ways the most obsessed over event that includes getting into the game to see it. Although there are those who will tell you it's harder to get into the conference championship games because they are in the respective cities of the teams that are playing in them or the semi finals of the final four. Nevertheless, the Super Bowl occupies a unique spot in the American consciousness, and it's also unique spot when it comes to getting into the game. Getting it ticket being there in person. It's on the bucket list for many sports fans, and that is a subject that brings us to our next guest. He is the author of a new book called ticketless how sneaking into the Super Bowl and everything else. Us almost held my life. Together, the authors Trevor Krause, and he's with us now. Thanks for joining us. Trevor. Oh, thank you. Jeremy, it's a pleasure to be talking with you. Trevor your book is not just about the Super Bowl or seeking into the Super Bowl. It's about this hobby. I could say you have of getting into sports events without a valid ticket. Where did it all start for you? Well, it started. When I was thirteen years old. My dad brother, and I die hard Saint Louis cardinal fans. Took a trip to Chicago to see the cardinals play the cubs at Wrigley field. And we have tickets for the Sunday night baseball finale was a four game series. But obviously we were there for the weekend. So we went up to Wrigley on Saturday. And the plan was just to hang out, you know, Shaq some batting practice fly balls and watch the game at a at a bar or something. But my dad who was. A call him crafty. He had a lot of a lot of a lot of great traits and a lot of not so great ones, which is another another theme of the book. But he was crafty when it came to these kinds of things and he's spotted a ramp that was like a construction zone. They were building a a patio outside of Wrigley field. And he said boys, hold my hand. And just follow me. And the next thing I knew we were inside Wrigley field and saw the game for free. So that's how it all got started. When I was thirteen and then the I picked up the hobby again when I when I got to college you're from Saint Louis as you said, and you've written about sneaking into the World Series, the Rangers and the cardinals getting in there getting into I guess it was was the football game. Nebraska, Missouri when misery and a great team. Right. That was the first one I did in college was Missouri visited Nebraska. And didn't have a ticket and didn't want to contribute to Nebraska university. You know, that's a that's a hated rival from zoo. So wanna take it in there without a ticket? As you say the the norm Stewart theory that you should not contribute. Anything to the local economy of the teams that you you dislike? Exactly. Yeah. He said that about Kansas Missouri's other biggest rival I felt the same way. Nebraska, speaking with Trevor crafts new book is ticketless how sneaking into the Super Bowl and everything else almost almost parentheses held my life together. Now, they're few different ways. You go about it. But but generally your method it's not a elaborate. It's not like a JAMES BOND kind of thing. You just get up to the turnstile. And typically, you do what at that moment. Well, I'll kind of fumble in my in my pockets, for example, if there's a turnstile and that'll make the ticket taker expect to see a ticket which gives me time to pass through the turnstile and once I'm through there's not a a layer of security. Behind the ticket taker all there is is a busy concourse teaming with fans going every which way and wearing the home team's colors, of course. So if I can get lost in that crowd. I can just I can I can disappear wear a black jacket and underneath the home team's colors, and as I'm running in the crowd. I'll take off the jacket. Maybe I'll take off the hat that I had on and and it's really that easy to get lost. And once you're in the concourse, there's no one checking your tickets at at most section entrances, for example, and can find standing room only section or an empty seat from there? I feel a little guilty. I have two kids sess Trevor because I feel like this is almost a tutorial telling people how to get into stadiums. Without a valid ticket. How how many times have you done this thirty one in total right about I write about twenty three of them in the book, including the masters three World Series games as you mentioned during. At twenty eleven World Series Super Bowl in Indianapolis. When the when the giants beat the patriots for the second time. And a Wimbledon Wimbledon final in twenty eleven and a bunch of other sporting events in in the US. Now, we got the Super Bowl coming up. But that's really kind of the the dramatic Lynch pin of the story. So I I'm not gonna ask you to tell us that story it'd be giving too much away. We're speaking with Trevor Krause, his new book is ticketless how sneaking into the Super Bowl and everything else almost held my life together. What is going through your mind as you're approaching the turn style. And you know that you could end up getting arrested. Well, that's true. What's going through my mind is what is behind the ticket taker the second the second layer, he will I was a ticket taker myself at it was called Scott Trade Center and Saint Louis where the Saint Louis blues play during high school, and then again after college, and so I learned there that there really is. Is nothing like I mentioned behind behind the behind the ticket taker so before deciding which turnstile or which ticket taker is going to be my my target. I've made a lap around the entire stadium and carefully chosen a location where there's no security guard behind the ticket taker sometimes there will be at some entrances there will be you know, off duty police officers or supervisors who wear suits and ties typically so I want to avoid that at all cost. And I'm also looking for a fast route to the upper levels of the stadium where there is far less security because that's where I automatically want to end up. Why do you think you do this and you risk this? First of all, I mean, I'm a die hard sports fan. And there's nothing that I love more than a sold out stadium for a big game. My dad was a huge influence in my life and a huge influence in my sports, fandom and. While I was in college his his life, really spiraled out of control. He he was never diagnosed. But the doctors that he talked to believed that he had clinical depression, and I always tell myself as a lot like him. We were very very close. And so really spin moving as I call it sneaking into games gave me something that I felt I could be I could be great at a legacy. If you will while I was worried that I would become my father as I grew up, and I saw a troubled future ahead of me, but sneaking into games as the as the subtitle of the book says held my life together gave me a sense of purpose. And when I would do it with friends in my fraternity at at the university of Missouri. We created memories on like any other. And there's and they remain my most cherished memories of my life. Speaking to Trevor crowd. Yes. About his new book. Ticketless? I am Trevor before we let you go. I I'm sure there are those who would argue this is in some ways of victimless crime. But of course, all those revenues add up to something and pay for something. And I don't want to dismiss that give her feel bad about doing this. I don't I never have. And that's because almost every single one of the games, I've snuck into sold out already. So if anything when I sneak into an already sold out game, and I buy, you know, a beer and a bag of peanuts. That's an extra twenty dollars credit contributed to the ownership group of of whatever team or in the case of the Super Bowl, the the NFL, and I felt even more justified. I guess would be the word when the Rams left Saint Louis a couple years ago. It was it was clear to me that STAN Kroenke, the owner made no effort whatsoever to to keep the Rams in Saint Louis, and that's a team that I I. Cherished. And so I feel like if if the owners of sports franchises are going to treat it like such a business as is their right to then fans are justified in treating their phantom like a business and and trying to get into stadiums as cheaply as possible. Well, please wanting Trevor but seeking in his different. I mean, I don't want to belabor the point. But you do recognize that I do the truth is, I I I don't think it's wrong. Because there's as you mentioned, there's there's no victim. And there aren't any really negative consequences because among other things I've been through the security check point. So it's not like, I'm a security threat. So yeah, I understand the argument that it's immoral that it's wrong. But I don't I don't see it that way. And most of the people I've talked to most of the people who've read the book who've been interested in my in my stories, see it the same way his new book. Es ticketless how sneaking into the Super Bowl and everything else almost held my life together. Trevor thanks so much for joining us here on the sporting life that my pleasure, Jeremy, thank you. Thanks for having joined us, I'm Jeremy shop, and this has been the sporting life on ESPN radio. We're on every Saturday and every Sunday morning at six eastern time. These these the sporting life on ESPN radio and the ESPN app.

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AP Headline News Oct 31 2018 14:00 (EDT)

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04:00 min | 2 years ago

AP Headline News Oct 31 2018 14:00 (EDT)

"Have you heard metro by t mobile now includes Amazon prime? Yes, enjoy the best of shopping and entertainment movies TV shows using free shipping and much more all included for just forty dollars per line for three lines all on the T mobile network. Discover the smarter way metro by t mobile that's genius one offer per account offer subject to change twelve ninety nine per month. Value offer valid for new Amazon prime members your customers may notice reduce speeds versus some t mobile customers video at forty p capable device required. See store for details and terms and conditions. Radio news. I'm Ed Donahue house speaker Paul Ryan disagrees with President Trump stand on so-called birthright citizenship, the president wants to end citizenship for babies born to non US citizens on American soil on Twitter. He wrote Ryan should be focusing on holding the majority rather than giving his opinions on birthright citizenship, something the president said he knows nothing about more from the White House. Here's the AP saga megani? The fourteenth amendment's citizenship clause reads all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein. They reside. The president says subject to the jurisdiction thereof means the amendment does not cover birthright citizenship and tweets many legal scholars agree. It's long been debated. But scholars on both sides agree. The president cannot simply issue an executive order changing the rules on who is a citizen saga. Ghani at the White House. Stumbles top prosecutor says Saudi writer Jamal kashogi was strangled as soon as he entered the Saudi consulate there as part of a premeditated killing in. His body was dismembered before it was removed. A source tells the AP a mafia hitman is a suspect in the prison killing a Boston crime boss, James Whitey Bulger. He died shortly after being transferred to a prison in West Virginia. The eighty nine year old Bolger was a longtime informant for the FBI Houston's police chief says an F B I agents explanation for why he fatally shot a hostage during a rescue attempt is not supported by the evidence reviewed by Houston. Police investigators. Ulysses Valores was shot back in January. The Catholic diocese in Sioux City, Iowa is acknowledging it kept quiet for thirty two years about a priest admission to having sexually abused. Dozens of boys Jerome coil was removed from priestly duties in one thousand nine hundred six stocks are climbing sharply higher again on Wall Street. This is AP radio news. Another indication that the job market remains strong, a private survey shows US companies headed a robust two hundred twenty seven thousand jobs in October the strongest showing in eight months payroll processor, ADP says employers had jobs in manufacturing retail and professional services such as engineering the unemployment rate dropped to three point seven percent in September the lowest level in forty nine years. However, businesses have been staffing up at a rapid pace in response to healthy consumer spending in strong, economic growth. Mike Kemp in Washington marijuana is now legal in Canada. But there is a problem. There is a shortage of marijuana Quebec closed its government run shops for three days this week because of a lack of pot, and we'll continue to keep them closed. Monday through Wednesday until availability is stabilized officials in Manitoba, expect pot shortages to last at least six months at Donahue, AP radio news. Have you heard metro by t mobile now includes Amazon prime? Yes, enjoy the best of shopping and entertainment movies TV shows using free shipping and much more all included for just forty dollars per line for three lines all on the T mobile network. Discover the smarter way metro by t mobile that's genius one offer per account offers subject to change twelve ninety nine per month. Value offer valid for new Amazon prime members at your customers may reduce speeds versus some t mobile customers video at forty p capable device required. See store for details and terms and conditions.

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Hard Factor 10/31: Trump Contemplates the Constitution, Whitey Bulger Gets Axed and Some Guy Tries to go Full Hannibal Lector

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Hard Factor 10/31: Trump Contemplates the Constitution, Whitey Bulger Gets Axed and Some Guy Tries to go Full Hannibal Lector

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This would cost you hundreds. If you went to a doctor or a pharmacy. Go to four hymns dot com slash fat. Actor that's F O R H I M S dot com slash factor for hymns dot com slash factor. Jomon Randy savage. This factor in there is no one does it better. Yeah. What he does it better. Told me something. Moderate. Lording another episode of heart factor. It is Wednesday October thirty first and happy Halloween. This is our first Halloween episode ever. And it's going to get a little spooky will is not with us today, except we made him do the intro because he's too God. Damn good at yelling. Good morning. We have at Kate barstool and show today Superstock to have her. Hey, how's it going? Kate is from high haters in zero blog thirty two of our favorite podcast and radio shows on the borstal network. She's a hilarious blogger and of lager and she's with us today. She's gonna fit in just nicely. Nice coming on me. Oh, it's so good to have you. All right. Yeah. West is gonna take a story about Trump and an amendment. He's thinking about killing thinks he has a magic wand apparently. Yeah cates. Gonna take one about Whitey Bolger who met an untimely death. This week horrible marks gonna take a pleasant one about a guy that wants to kill murder and eat a kid. Well, if you're going to kill him is all eat them kill murder, excuse me. And I'm gonna get some other stories take it away Wesley. All right. President Trump has added. Again, you guessed it. It's another issue involving immigration this time. He is claiming he is going to sign an executive order to wipe out the fourteenth amendment of the constitution something that he simply is not able to do. But I tell you what. Sure sounds stuff he's gonna try. He might be able to do it. You know with all the judges. Who knows? I'm not really sure what I read is that he can do it. Well, he's being told he can do it and with the mid terms just weeks away. It seems like a stunt. I mean, he doesn't actually think you can change the constitution of one swoop of his pen. Maybe does I think he actually does. Doesn't think that he thinks he can because I guarantee he thinks he can I don't know. I don't know. So let's go over the fourteenth amendment. It says all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and the state where in they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law, which shell abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States. Personally. I hate that. He's trying to change this because I think we need more fourteenth amendment in our lives. I'm thinking more birthright type stuff where I could never get into Harvard. But if I crap a baby out in the Harvard library, she's automatically in totally that's genius. As actually the medical term for babies born on what if you like wrapping them out what if you like shit get out on like the middle of NFL field. The NFL kicker right long, snapper done. So this amendment was passed after the civil war and ensured that of slaves were granted full citizenship. No matter what the racist laws are the states. They were born in had to say about it. And and mo- most white supremacists. Have long attack this particular amendment for obvious reason, then the immigrants corrupted it. Yeah. So in an interview with accidents amendment the fourteen point. Yeah. Yeah. Favorite second least favorite fourteenth. And the one women can vote in an interview with axios. Trump said we're the only country in the world where a person comes in as a baby and the baby is essentially a citizen of the United States for eighty five years with all those benefits. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And it has to end, then we gotta change the babies for babies taken all our jobs, by the way, I know shake they can't do shit. Also, eighty five years. That's generous. Yeah. That's very generous. It's really positive thinking Japanese being born look, this isn't some okay. The problem is we are not the only country to do this. In fact, our neighbor to the north Canada as well as Mexico and two dozen or like thirty other nations have a similar birthright policy, so Trump again wrong there, but he knows that. Right. You feel like a lot of people are birth writing in Mexico. I mean, I think just the shit. I got I got no car. Yeah. Exactly capo Tijuana birthrights happening. I. Come down here. Anytime you want. So this isn't some dislike liberal bullshit. It's aimed at discrediting the president's facts. He can't do this by himself from what I'm reading. He just can't change the constitution by executive order, even house speaker and Republican Paul Ryan weighed in saying, well, you obviously cannot do that you cannot end birthright citizenship with an executive order. Then he looked Kenny. Maybe I'm retiring. I don't know. Yeah. So what a lot of people are debating whether illegal immigrants fall under the same protection. They entered our country illegally. Why should our laws? Protect them. Perhaps. That's the platform. Trump's going to go on because they're humans because his America. So we'll see it sounds like a big midterm stunt to me to play to his extremely educated form of his of his base. But that's smart. Maybe my opinion they did repeal alcohol just last week here in New York. They put an enormous you in the statue of liberty shit kicking it off like, no more babies friends. Immigrants should she's Irish to she gotta be careful or she. We're. French. All right. So going to the internet Cynthia vite says nothing unclear about it. No, president can amend the constitution. But it's unclear whether the GOP's hand picked judges at all levels of the courts will reign in this one to be dictated because the next amendments. Go will be the one that limits a president to two-term. So perhaps she thinks that the president will just be a fire sale on amendments. Yeah. Get these amendments outta here. Sell short on amendments. Kate. Sharon says so this means we can also change the second amendment. No problem right over my dead body, Kate. Yeah. So Cates of the worst, by the way. Classic right there. You're up Kate. All right. Well, gotta say low standards. Normally, I'm into bulge in Whyte's. If you know what I mean? Oh, hold on. Lou. Did anybody else feel that freezing cold in here cold in? Here must be because we're about to talk about the winter hill gang from Southie. Boston and one of their alumni who was allegedly iced out murdered. Blood Tuesday morning and west Virginia's high security Hazelton penitentiary what a Halloween week for that guy. Wow. Very spooky notorious mobster Whitey Bulger's. Final chapter came to a suspicious and only days after he was transferred there and his death ends a long story of crime heartbreak and betrayal that inspired projects. Like Oscar winning film, the departed and Johnny Depp's black mass. It all started in nineteen twenty nine right before the infamous stock market crash and subsequent great depression. When James Bulger was born to an Irish immigrant family with six kids. And I gotta say quick shout out to the Irish families of old who laughed in the face of difficult times and kept right on fucking. I could say that because my dad's wanna thirteen I've got I've got I've got a dual income nice salary situation going on. And I I don't wanna bring in one child because I'm not wealthy enough. Yeah. It's also great to be borne in a certain country that pretty much dictates. You never have to wear a condom say, hey, man, I'm Hirishi. I don't wear those potatoes which feels weird to the land or dog and the anyway. I think that's the has platinum blonde hair earned Bolger, the nickname Whitey, which when I was reading it. I thought that was kind of weird because that's the nickname. They gave me at my basketball league on Wednesday nights. Call me that. But in other news is it just MIR's manny's getting too spicy these days. H twenty seven Whitey serving time and Alcatraz for Bank robbery, and it only escalated from there upon returning back home to Boston. He rose in the winter hill gang, and he had a choke hold on the city racketeering, extortion, money, money laundering, and drug dealing. We're his forte real original. And he wasn't above murdering at all he killed at least eleven people, including choking woman with his bare hands that is some soft corner. Schiff I ever heard it guys over your span to the seventies and eighties. But it's not that he has at least nineteen deaths on his hands respectable. Yeah. You got kinda gotta respect. I mean, work ethic. You can't say the guy didn't have a solid what kind of drugs were around in the nineteen twenties. What was like the bigness loser. Opium open for. Sure. Opium tranquilizer aren't they put in cocaine and like soda at the time that would go there you go. That even considered a drought. Good for your health back. Then good for your health now bombing fluid. He probably started out. Good intentions. Honestly. I mean, I'm sure, but I wonder like how the heck did he get away with all this stuff for so long again, go watch the depart at loosely based off it, but it's a complicated convoluted story an FBI informant. He was an FBI informant and under the shadiest of terms he kept getting tipped off by his handlers. So we keping able to avoid it. But it finally came to a head in January of nineteen ninety-five when he disappeared on the eve of his indictment on racketeering charges. And he became a household name and criminal legend because nobody could find the guy he was on the top of the most wanted list until two thousand eleven when they finally caught him at age eighty one and he was living like a coward with his girlfriend and Santa Monica under the name, Charles Gasco. They also found eight hundred thousand dollars inside his wall. So this guy snitch like a rat Roach. And he was finally squashed and convicted on thirty one counts and sentenced to two life terms that ultimately. Became a death sentence for him yesterday. And honestly, I wanted to share this news. 'cause I was just so shocked that he was murdered so shocked, by the way, he died because if you had to guess what the number one killer of an Irish mobster bay you'd have to go skin cancer. Right. Oh, yeah. For lulu. Kate. You say you say coward. I say king you ever been to Santa Monica. It's beautiful. I can't like even envision in Irish mobster. Like, what are they sound like Italian mobster? But funny, but within that like a leprechaun's put your hands up also. The the winter gangs here to stay. I've been wondering like who. Did it was it like a family member of one of the victims or something who is in jail or was it like or another like, mafia family or something or I don't know? I mean, he still has that snitch stigma forever. So someone that hates niches. Maybe. The internet. Let's see type and right now Ron Lambert. He said couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. No. It wasn't Ron that. Did it Brown's gonna good night's sleep tonight? So you guys have all heard of fuck Mary kill right or some variation of that game. Texas up the ante he wanted to do murder. Fuck eat except all to the same person a Halloween story on heart factor, at least that's the kindest order. You could do it. I feel like of all of them murder. Fuck eat is the best order. So at least a little awful. One hundred percent agree with you. That's that's very true. I consider if you do that in the inverse order that is not cool. Yes. Alexsandr barter a twenty one year old from walking, Texas, which is in the northeast part of the state about fifty miles. From Shreveport, Louisiana was arrested on October nineteenth and Shelby county, Texas, but the lead up to his arrest began all the way back east in Brevard county, Florida weeks before after an undercover agent who works on a task force that polices. The dark web for child. Traffickers extreme sickos like barter stumbled upon barters post. You hate your job. I hear some of the shit. This guy was saying. That caught this agents attention. He's combing the web for these comments of poor Florida. They're like God. He was arrested in Texas where they had to throw in the Florida connection. They're happy about it. And now they're happy about now. You're right. But yes, always it always comes back to Florida. So Bader was saying this type of shit. So I would like to try necrophilia and cannibalism and see how it feels to take a life. I would like to do this Acer up a really need to do something about my intense bloodlust. So the agent was like all right. We got we got one of the net, bro. You got to pick a lane. You can't be fucking dead bodies and eating people. He really jumped right it snus because it freshness reasons. Mostly couldn't puppy. I that's what I was gonna say. Don't you kill a cat or a puppy? I master of none straight for an expert the undercover agent played this freak like fiddle by telling him. Yeah. I can help you with that. I can probably provide a child for you, which really got barter go. And that's what he wanted us to child. He's like, yes. When I won went home and his wife was complaining to him about her job. So you might you might be wondering what what what site on the dark web posted this on. What was it Scott, Necker, hunger dot com? No, I've been there say, oh, well now, I'm just kidding. Just wherever it was. Well. Dotcoms billable after this uncover agent message with barter gonna by that. So after helter messaging with barter for several days leading this nut job on the undercover agent was like, well, what do you want me to do in Barda was like I want you to bring the kid to me. I live in the woods and Texas. So no one's gonna find this kid's body. It's all good. What kind of fucked up favors that he wants to Scott to travel halfway across the country after kidnapping a kid drop them off in the middle of the woods. And just be like. All right. Don't don't watch me kill in this kid if that's all right comb. We're buds right. Yeah. We're buds and you bring me a AAA Brita. Please the witch Hansel and gretel some they've yeah. No in the woods. I said in the woods. You'll find me. Can you bring some enormous gumdrops please for my staff? Don't let that kid dropping and crumbs if you go to search his pocket for breadcrumbs Scott, Necker hunger dot com available bought and now the going to storm this garage by that was a great idea. Pat, anyways, the Florida agent worked with Texas law enforcement and homeland security and when barter arrived hungry with a knife and plastic trash bags at the meeting point. He was immediately arrested. You don't know that he was hung up. Pretty sure he was hungry. You brought a knife. He was charged with criminals solicitation criminal tempt of cops. I don't know. I don't know. What do you? How do you eat a person? But anyways conspiracy to do all this capital murder. Everything attempt of sexual performance of a child and now facing up to life in prison if convicted which of course, he will be and something tells me that's not going to be very long time in prison. I think the second guards turn around and leave the room for the first time to go play game poker? He's he's killed. Yeah. Instant hopefully, going the way the Bolger Patrick Shanley's got a solution for this on the internet though. He says they take God out of the country and the double runs wild time to bring God back. Patrick Shanley thinks that the lack of God is the reason people are getting after kids he probably missed the first estimate a little bit a little bit of God, wiping out kids in that one. He's not a big reader. He's not from Pennsylvania. That's for damn just a supporter of God, not a reader literature referencing the diocese that touched eight hundred kids covered. Listen hard factor. All right move it on some other stories, so a German former nurse on Tuesday admitted to murdering a hundred patients making him one of the country's deadliest post-war serial killers. What a weird fucking headline. I guess there was a real problem over there with euro killers before the war, but what happened during the war? I guess all the would be zero killers just became Nazis. They were just Nazis. Yeah. Well, anyway, now Hogle age forty one fessed up to offing, quote, more or less a hundred patients between nineteen ninety nine and two five when he was asked about his motives son of a bitch. Didn't even keep count know about give or take a a c mossy may knows when he's asked about his motives, he said, it was mostly to impress his colleagues because he liked to bring patients that he'd dosed back to life and say, look, look what a great nurse. I am he felt euphoric when it worked and just gosh darn devastated when it didn't because they died. How did his co workers not catch onto this sooner? I picture like another nurse. Everybody be nice to Nells this week. He he lost forty seven of his patients patient, if a patient's being real asshole you like, yeah. Maybe I'm gonna put Nells on it sexual hospital. Was you working at like that's more than one a month? A lot. A lot of people on your hands. All right, anyway, Japan sprint Princess AO. Key probably had to surrender her Royal status because she married some schlub for quote love as hard factor will would say this guy must be swinging a wrench. You know what I mean the front heavy? Groom works for shipping company and probably can't leave his house without his prescription pants. I had a hammer. Yeah. As a ham upon renouncing her Royal status, the Princess will receive a lump sum of nine hundred and fifty thousand dollars from the Japanese government for living expenses. I wonder what the annuity would have been. How did the family not kill this guy working for shipping company like going after the Princess they probably tried to kill him in the shower? So what he was working with and said, no, this is the thing of beauty. They should kill that guy. We're offered him the nine fifty camp. They had something in there about the groom wearing something by the princesses. She's not anymore, but by her late father, and I'm thinking the wedding was only possible because of him because he's dead because I don't think there's any. Anyway, in how sure yeah. Yeah. You can renounce all this wealth and all this lifestyle, and blah, blah, blah, Mary this pop or with thirty looks with that guy getting at the wedding too. There's like it was reportedly a beautiful ceremony with the thousand plus guests shouting the Japanese word banzai, which means auspicious wish. For more than a long life. I think in this. Yeah. Anyway, look moving on. Sorry move on. There's something in the water in Evanston, Wyoming because remember our award winning interview with hard factor endorsed Evanston. Wyoming city council candidate Deborrah the demand or Reno my hero. Yeah. Remember, she. She was a little bit who was selling a gently used panties online under a suit of them. And she was unfairly outed by her heavily religious community was criticized by her opponent LDS Bishop Macau. Well, remember that? Yeah. Yes. Well, wait, listen up mechalle, if you thought debit or panties were weird, then you're in for a real treat. That's because Muzi, oh, Robert Muratti. Another candidate vying for another city council seat in Evanston was arrested for child pornography yesterday. What are they drink over there and not just possession of child pornography, but manufacturing charges as well? So so he wanted to distribute it, I don't know he was making it. Yeah. I think manufacturing means he was involved in the making of making it means to make I feel like this probably needs to be addressed at the next city council meeting. Maybe it's going to be a weird meeting also to our candidate Deboer arena. I hope you're listening. This isn't a LEGO. We were looking for. But we're we'll take what we can get go, Deb go. Let's go, Deb. 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The O'Reilly Update, August 12, 2020

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The O'Reilly Update, August 12, 2020

"O'Reilly here, Wednesday August Twelfth Two Thousand and twenty you are listening to the Riley update here's what's happening today in America. Joe Biden finally picks his running mate. Black lives matter holds a rally supporting. Lueders. Seattle police chief of calling it quits after budget cuts in that city. Build the blasios unveils his latest ultra expensive plan to house the homeless. Also, ahead Hello Kamala Harris we'll analyze Joe Biden's running mate. But I mr Biden is jazzed by his selection saying quote. I'm proud to have Kamla as my partner in this campaign president trump sees it the opposite way calling Senator Harris a quote phony. Citing, her poor debate performances will allies a situation shortly. The black lives? Matter. Organization holding a rally in Chicago backing looters that destroyed millions of dollars worth of property in the affluent shopping area. One be organizer called riots reparation saying quote I don't care if someone decides Saluda Gucci or a macy's or a Nike store. That is reparations anything they WANNA take. They can take because these businesses have insurance on quote. Very nice. Seattle top COP quitting after the city council voted to reduce the force by one hundred officers. Chief Carmen. Best telling reporters she's leaving because of local politicians lack of respect for law enforcement. The longtime veteran is the first African American to lead a police department in the state of Washington. But she's had enough of incompetent politicians. New York Mayor de Blasio announcing his latest scheme dissolved the city's terrible homeless crisis folks on the streets will now be placed in hotels all expenses paid. Critics say the program will bankrupt the big apple eventually economists predict plan will cost two million dollars every night. And of course, the tax payers all across the country. will pay for that because FEMA, the federal government is involved. A report from the New York Times. Says Seventy five percent of US adults are now eligible vote by mail. In a moment, we'll the real camera Harris. Please stand up right back. Now many of you me included are worried that our 401k retirement savings everything we've worked very hard for over lifetime could evaporate. We live very uncertain times with all the fake news where stuck wondering where to turn. For fact, based Financial Investment Analysis. It's important to have an independent expert working in our corner to preserve and grow our savings. So me Silicon Valley, Angel investor and five G. Expert. Jeff Brown a brownstone research. WHO's only obligation is to us to you. He's created a newsletter called the near future report where he shares his analysis on where the stock market is going and went. With. Stocks are poised to rise and fall and how you can benefit from an exploding tech market. Now just track record is amazing. So please go right now. To Bill Five G. DOT COM bill five G. Dot Com let jeff help you preserving grow your wealth through this very volatile time bill five, G. DOT COM. You will thank me. Tom Now theoretically update message of the day who is Senator Kamala Harris Really. Here we go. In October she will be fifty six years old. She is the daughter of immigrants from Jamaica and India. She studied at Howard University in Washington DC? She then went on to become the district attorney of San Francisco, then Attorney General of California then senator from California in two thousand seventeen. In one thousand, nine, hundred, four, California Assembly Speaker, Willie Brown with whom is Harris was having an affair. Appointed her to the State Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board, and then later on to the California medical. Assistance Commission Miss Harris took a leave of absence from her prosecutor job to serve in those state positions. She famously chided Joe Biden in a debate about his lack of support for busing. You'll remember that Miss Harris who's running against Mr Biden for the Democratic nomination and she said quote. There was a little girl in California who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools and she was bused to school every day and that little girl was me. And the implication of course was mister by Napoles deposed the little girl. Kamala Harris and then she went on because of the busing to become very successful. In October two. Thousand Eighteen Senator Harris Just brutalized Brad, Kavanagh at the hearings of his Supreme Court nomination. You'll remember that. Christine. Blasi forward accused Mister Cavin on no evidence at all. Of Salting her. said a Senator Harris during the hearings quote. When Dr Christine Blasi forward came forward with serious and credible allegations of sexual assault not only was she attacked by Senate Republicans she was marked by the president of the United States the judge cavenaugh. That the American people saw before the judiciary. Committee does not have the character, the temperament or the judgment to sit on the highest court in our land unquote. Well you also may remember that the FBI investigated Justice Cavenaugh. Found no evidence that he ever did anything. To Christine Blasi Ford. Few weeks ago. Kamala Harris said this about black lives matter quote. They're not gonNA. Stop before Election Day and they're not gonNA stop after Election Day. Everyone should take note of that on both levels that they are not going to let up and they should not and we should not. Unquote. So Senator Harris is a supporter of black lives matter. There's no question that the senator is an ardent member of the left. She is a promoter of San Francisco values secularism amnesty for the undocumented free healthcare no due process green new deal no or low bell for those arrested and a variety of other liberal tenants. So that is who Senator Harris is. will she helped Joe Biden? I'm not sure. I'm Bill O'Reilly and I approve that message by actually writing it for more news analysis. Please visit Bill O'Reilly Dot Com and join our campaign stand up for your country. In a moment something you might not know. Now the rally update brings you something you might not know seven years ago today, a jury found a notorious Boston crime boss guilty of murder racketeering and drug dealing after a sixteen year manhunt. To bring him to justice. Most of arrogance had never heard of him but the suspect was long considered. One of the FBI's ten most wanted his name Whitey Bolger. James Joseph Culture ran the Winter Hill Gang in Boston and suburbs he ordered two dozen murders while running the states drug pipeline between Boston and New York City. In his Prime Bolger had more than seventy, five mafia soldiers at his disposal. Why do you manage to evade local police by cooperating with the FBI? He worked as a snitch using the Department of Justice to arrest his heroin dealing rivals an amazing story of corruption. On December Twenty Third Nineteen ninety-four Bolger fled Boston after learning he was going to be arrested for series of Hamas and that viag tip tim off if you can believe it. It took the Fed sixteen years to find Bolger. Then eighty one year old was ultimately arrested in a tiny apartment in Santa, Monica California. Despite having about ten million dollars hidden. Bolger was found guilty on August twelfth two, thousand thirteen. But the story does not end there. Why. Do you stay in prison would not last very long. In October two, thousand, eighteen about three months after his conviction, the then eighty nine year old wheel chair bound bolger. was beaten to death in a federal prison. A. Group of men killed the gang leader with padlocks wrapped in socks. The FBI believes the boss and Mafia ordered the hit for members of that crime family were in the same prison at the time of Bulger's murder yet no one has been charged. And here's something else you might not know. Despite being an informant, the FBI added Whitey Bolger, to it's ten most wanted list in nineteen, ninety nine, the only target above bolger. was. Osama. Bin Laden. Back after this. Thank you for listening to the update I. Am Bill O'Reilly no spin just facts and always looking out for you.

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 How Jewish parents used Guardian ads to save their childrens lives

Today in Focus

39:07 min | Last month

How Jewish parents used Guardian ads to save their childrens lives

"The today as the guardian marks two hundred years base month. We looked at one amazing story from our colleague. Julian bolger about how an advert in the guardian eighty. Three years ago saved his father's life japan. How did you go about finding your father's advert is one of those times. When i'll always remember where i was in the car park of a supermarket and there was as email from bridget nelson. Who's the okkas the guardian. I opened it up and there was this classified ad third of august nineteen thirty eight the guardians julian border was looking at an advert placed in the guardian eighty. Three years earlier it had been written by his grandparents. Leon earner a jewish couple with a young son. Robert living in vienna when the nazis took control of austria. This was their plea for help. I seek a kind person who will educate my intelligent boy age. Eleven viennese of good family. Borja hintze stresa vienna and it really was like a punch. That got was a very emotive moment. And why was it like a punch to the guy. I think because in those three lines this was my grandparents trying to save my father's life. This month is two hundred years since the guardian was first established in manchester and we will be producing a series of articles videos events and of course podcasts to explore our history and future for julian. A part about history is deeply personal but when he began looking into this he realized that his grandparents adver was not a wanna in fat. Dozens of guardian readers responded to calls for help from jewish families based in vienna at the outbreak of the second world war. He is what he discovered from the guardian. I'm initially astana today. In focus the remarkable story of how jewish parents used newspaper outbursts to save that children's lives. Julian take me back to before. One thousand nine hundred thirty eight. What do you. I of your grandparents life back then. The family ran a shop. In district of vienna. Musical instruments and radios by father was their only child that lots of photos of summer holidays that they bought and which is a spa resort near vienna and standing proudly outside the shop which was radio borger. There was very proud of this business of being able to establish. Tell me by one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. What was happening politically in vienna in much the angeles happened. Which was the annexation of austria by nazi germany in vienna city of song music known around the world. Five hundred thousand fact. The streets while buildings are covered with symbols of the german reich with six tanks leading a two mile long procession of reich army and storm troopers and with german bombers patrolling the skies. Adolf's hitler modern caesar enters the land of his birth and his modern terry of trial and very quickly after that live for the jews in vienna began to change step by step. The first thing that happened was in nuremberg. Laws brought in that limited their rights and then jews were called in the local gestapo headquarters to register and when they did they were made to do something. Humiliating usually get down on the hands and knees and wash the pavement and as they did a lot of people came out of the woodwork. Lot of nazi sympathizers under there often beaten up a raft up. My grandfather was taken away held at the gestapo headquarters for day. Released then picked up again every day every week. The pressure and the sense of danger. The sense of dread was step top notch by notch to know how it was for your grandparents. Do you know what they felt at the time. They clearly fairly early on realized they at least had to get my father and it is interesting to look back at some of the other family stories and the reluctance of people to give up everything that they look for everything that built up their home that businesses that life and so a lot of people persuaded themselves. That are this. Last the non-system really belong here is just a passing phase and they waited too long to think they realized what was coming. I'm really not sure because neither my father all my grandparents talked much a tool about that period. So i don't really have that insight into how they thought it was going to be but talking to other some reading other memoirs most finished jus thought. The bad things going to happen. I don't think they could have conceived then of how bad it was going to that. It was about mass extermination and not just oppression so if by then your grandparents knew that at the very least they had together son out. What were their options. In order to try to escape the only real option forgetting a child out was through tuition a foreign student so you had to find someone or an institution that would say. We will take care of the education of this child. They would clear that with the home office and then they would get a document from britain which could be presented to the nazi authorities in vienna. But although the nazis wanted the jews out they have the same time made it incredibly hard to get that exit visa and what other people do to try to escape when people were aware that the only way they could get a visa into the uk as adults was as domestic servants there was a shortage of domestics in burton and so a lot of them took in doing these household things sewing look after children chauffeur any skill that they could claim they laid it out there in these three line resumes and so people place these ads. Why were so many choosing the guardian. The guardian was singled out because it was seen at the time to be sympathetic and alert to the flight of the jews in germany and central europe and just before the turn of vinnie's jews to flee. There were appeals in the garden to help basque children during the spanish civil war so it had a record for helping refugees and what we know about the coverage at the time. How much did the public in the uk. Understand what was happening to jewish people before the war reduce of dementia. The gardener had as good a grasp as any of what was going on inside germany and in particular inside vienna because the paper's correspondent in vienna a gyco mysel- four door who has noticed. Mike was really at that time. The end of the correspondence in vienna and covered the rise of the nazis and what was being done to the jews in some detail and with compassionate sympathy to the extent that when the nazis arrived in vienna photo had to make a run for it with his family in the night across the border into czechoslovakia okay. That's the context of the time and clearly people with desperate your grandparents place. This advert in the guardian looking for somebody to take their son to safety. Tell me what happened next. A couple of welsh schoolteachers. Nance and reg bingley responded to the advert they were got in reading. Fabian socialists living in auburn and had already taken in welsh often since the home and had a history of fostering children and they took my father in as well and promised to educate my father and wrote letters that affect and got the paperwork done through the home office in london. How did you get that. He was relatively lucky. He travelled by train with my grandmother because my grandmother has separately be able to get a visa as a maid. But you couldn't in most cases have any children so on my grandmother's possible there's a line through the section would say if you had any children. What do you know about that train journey and when you father were separated from his mother one of the anecdotes handed down. The family is from the point where it crossed out of the right into netherlands. The people that they would sharing the carriage with up and they were clearly nazi officials. They had the local pen and when they got up to leave the carriage. They gave the hitler salute. Not neither my father. Nor my grandmother were allowed to annoy had any willingness to return that salute and so it was only that moment that these nazis shared the carriage with him realized that they'd been jews and father told it faces foul when that realization door. That was the last moment in the reich and then the crossed over and then it was unquestioned of getting to the hook of holland and then it was a ferry ride over to heritage. And how old was your father. He was eleven at the time so that was him with his mother where i was his father. They had to leave my grandfather back in vienna in my grandparents advert also in the manchester guardian. This one in the tenth of october thirty eight it says vinnie's couple of old vienna citizens. Family versatile willing workers seek posters servants couple or separately and so what happened is a visa came up for my grandmother but not for my grandfather do have a sense of how hard it was for them to leave him. That moment was never described to me. Because so much of this was tabu really wasn't a subject that was talked about in our family and the trauma of that moment of separation was mentioned but i can imagine that they separated knowing that they might not see each other again. You mentioned the welsh couple. The bengals father in what was his life like with them. My father was really lucky that the english were wonderful. People really kind reg. Bingley stayed at home and told my father. I welsh and english until he was ready to go to school but from what nine told me of my father. When he was young he arrived really traumatized. They had to take the whistle of the kettle because it reminded him of the essay. The brown shirts going around rounding people up and then when a family friend thought he was being nice and said oh come for a walk. My father fainted because conditioned to believe that he was being taken out to be killed but he was extremely lucky in. The foster parents took care of him and the bengals because from reading about other experiences. It wasn't always that way. Other refugee kids had a much rougher time your grandparents. There wasn't the only one in the manchester guardian trying to get kids or even adults. Our vienna was. That immediately realized there were more because in this section of the paper that was sent with my dad's classified ads above and below. And so i got the password into the archives and then started to look in the classifieds particularly under tuition where most of the children were and realized there were these extraordinary clamor of parents trying to save their children by extolling virtues. He's a good child from a good family. She's very clever. Good music good at all. These things was really overwhelming to see. How many there were and strikingly. Almost all of them were from vienna. Were you able to work out. Exactly how many. I counted about sixty children and hundreds altogether including als. And you decided to work out what happened to the other children. How did you go about that. Usually what you would have is simply as in the case of mind. Dad just family name an age and then there's this website called jewish. Jen where you can get basic data. And i looked under vienna usually with that name. They would be two or three children born in about the right year. And if you got that that gave you a full name at a date of birth. And then i could go back to these other web sites in britain the us like find my past in the ancestry entering the full name and date of birth and this was really kind of moment of truth for each one. I was trying to locate if they had survived. They left a trace in the british archives. If only an enemy alien cod which was made out for anyone coming from nazi-occupied europe and so it was really an emotional moment. You find out if someone is derived or not whether they made it to britain and if they hadn't if there was no sign than i would go back to this website jewish then which also listed deportations and find out. If when they'd been deported to the camps so do not again again you became kind of emotionally invested in. Whether this child they've just read their advert. Lived or died. That's absolutely extraordinary. You must've read some heartbreaking stories on some pre joyful ones. Yes absolutely and the families it left it too late. A really heartbreaking stories but glad to say that almost all of the children who are advertised in the manchester guardian made out there was some trace of them arriving in britain and often going off to the us. After that. i think in vienna. If you were aware enough and determined enough to be putting in these adverts your child most likely was going to get out because you've found the right way to get out we're able to speak to any of the actual children traveled to the k. I was about three weeks too late for the last surviving. Child of the ads was someone who emigrated to israel. After being in britain few years and according to the online steamed to still be alive there was no notice of his death. And so my hopes really that. I'd found the last survivor and then got his son on his phone instead to lady died three weeks ago and had some five d- until this year while that you're able to speak to their children presumably when you reached out to them her bay seen the guardian advocates before most hadn't and were absolutely shocked to hear one woman. Sandra garfinkel who. I called the new york who had never seen it before was absolutely shocked and she said if you knew me you know. I'm very rarely silent. But right now i am just stunned into silence. They was one family had. The granddaughter of the survivor had dug it out from the manchester guard in archives and those are the children of gathered through bachelor whose advert was put in one thousand nine hundred july thirty eight. The advert said a jewish merchant. Vienna begs jewish family in great britain to receive his only daughter eight fourteen into their house. She's well mannered able to help. In any household work speaks german french and the little english comma piano. Tell me how julian got in touch with you. Well it was actually so exciting because suddenly we get a phone call. Actually my husband got the phone call. And he's not so would english so he said oh. I don't know someone talking to me in english. And he passed the phone over to me. And it took me a few seconds to realize who i'm talking to and julie and was talking about my mother and then you ever seen about her name in israel named and he knew about the advertisement in a some guardian. So redy donnie. On other in her later life once you were grown up your mother gertrude. Who later changed her name to when she moved to israel wrote a diary called because he wanted to know and in it. She told you about her past. But what had you known while you were growing up when you only specific headlines that she had a very happy childhood where she grew up. The only child in a very wealthy family have father was a very honorable australian citizen and never got deep into the feelings. Actually we went to see the house. It's still there in vienna. So we know what she was talking about actually opened the booklet gerald in woke with so the house at least was chilling. Very emotional situation for us. We could imagine our mother and actually leaving in place and you know what the family were thinking. In the late thursdays as that threat from the nazis became more clear the family added to start looking for a way to go out of austria. For example i know my grandfather took a course of a butler and my grandmother. She took a course of sewing ties and studying. How to sew clo- because they were looking for a way to earn money when they're out of austria and when they realized that they have a way to save the child. the said. okay. I we save hair. Then we try to save ourselves. and that's how. They came to the idea of sending her to england and to advertise and manchester. Guardian clearly tried everything they could get out as a family when they realized that their only choice was to get their daughter out and they place their. How do you think they felt. Let me read you passage for my mother's name were. I hope never to know saturdays. Ration- is brought them to decide to part with me and said me away alone countless jewish parents who did this belong undoubtably among the unsung heroes of our history. Troll later on boats misery and despair it my aloneness. I sometimes blame them and wished i had showed. Their faith is the price of being together but of course never in the blackest nightmares these envisage departing to be final. All they wanted was to save the most precious possession. When you read that how do you feel. Oh you know. I feel like my heart is tearing into pieces really. How can parents make such a decision. They must be real desperate really in. She was the only daughter a keep on thinking of my grandmother and grandfather. And i feel that they really went sway a terrible time within this memoir. Your mother describes leaving her parents at the train station. Can you tell me about that. Bestows booth excitement. You know young girl going on a tree you owns and so on so close but combined with that also feel from the unknown Probably some realizations because war was imminent. That may be. They may not meet again. And i read from a memoir and then why. I go nicely waiting for the whistle to grow in the passengers to bold and the train to leave there on the platform. My mother pronounced one hell prophecies on pointing. Legal all women with rightaid. She said that's what i look like. And how own. I'm be before i see you again. How i always wished she had been rights. This is what i feed deals. Come to my ice me to what was life like an england. What do you know was. She went through a very hard time first of all. She didn't know english so she used to walk around with a very heavy dictionary. She had to do all kinds of domestic airwork's works in the house which she wasn't used doing all and she wanted very much to continue school but she wasn't allowed to. She was fourteen so it was age of not having to study any longer and she was describing her crying into the pillow during the night. Trying to show eat in the morning. The family has two children and she didn't get along with them so good. She had very hard time then. She moved to another family and then to another family and after almost a year she found f last jewish family. Who really had her and invited her to live with them and it was in. Bradford the cane of family and there she actually found the place to live for the whole years of the war and was she in touch with her parents yes. They promised her to write a letter every day and they did it and she also wrote to them and the post went very fast and we have all the letters that they sent hair. How the tried to find a way to go out of austria in on one letter have father rights. We can get a visa to the united states in a year and they kept on telling her what they are doing every day in they waiting for her letters and encouraging hair to be strong and describing how they put hell letters under their pillow when they go to sleep. So am through. The letters could get the sense of what they went through during that time after three years. The letter stoped donny. When did your mother find out what had happened to her parents. So she told us but in the middle's can read following brief fees and then one day a communication right from the red cross. He tilled short. List of names in places Dates of this will find family or lows without rail thin trade. I have no recollection of opening that letter. What it looked like a real. It's disappeared through what i have is answered copy of this list on a scott with bill in my hundred buried ep monk documents and looked at orly once every ten years also i believe that she got the net unle after the war of presumably in one thousand nine hundred ninety five left about six or seven years after sheets. Lift them retain. Let me ask you. Did your mother tell you how she felt. When she found out that her parents had died. She told me that she headed breakdown because she realized that she was an orphan for many years and she just didn't know and she went into bed crying for days and days in couldn't stand on her feet so have friends to kerr to the doctor and he was not emotionally or and he said now you have to govern yourself together. Go back to go back to life. You're the only one in that situation. A pt her. It's all you just told her you pull yourself together in back to life in that what she did in never be able to talk about that to anybody anymore even to ask you know. She didn't want us to be unhappy. Many many many of the families of survivors into certain degree both alabama's somehow some type of survivors of that period. Actually spoke about the boss to the children. Never in presumably this was aid to protect the quote that children from learning about the halls and blessedly also protect themselves from the motion. Rake down when they might eventually love stories years later. My son when he was up yields Heads assignment from school. Dragged about the royal family. Insisted that the memorials our mother was already event had been he wanted wasco. Follow about our father was really exist and son managed to stop through recalled. The him five minutes into very coding other collapsed in deals. And never what about against. We know very little about what our father was was on. Sunday kindles unspoiled experienced from nine hundred t eight to nine thousand hundred forty eight village. He was also in the uk in folk. You as a child route. I we simply would not ask. Your mother met your father in the uk and then they moved to israel together. Which is where you were both brought up. What was life like for her. What she like as a mother did she find happiness. I'm i always felt being a little different from this rounding because not having grandmother and grandfather and because all. My mother and father were very protective. I remember they will terrified when one of us had to fly to another country because of the drama for not being able to meet again it was always in the back of our mind what they went through and although they really tried hard not to put all that agony on ass. Children can feel things during the words. What about you. Don a different perspective supposedly because i was the mvp Because boy and because of personality differences. I never been that ago need all memories. Put any doc shadows on our daily life. I never anything breakouts on the country if they did feel something guts. They heated at least for me. Maybe not from dc. So that life for me was what i would assume is is entity zeroing novel dwells in wales happy family. I never felt anything that i can relate back to what they've experienced. But this is possibly because on much less emotional than other seventy than route six. So i don't know i know that. He always always missed her life in vienna inch along through the places in the mountains while they went to vacations and it took her fifty years since she could go back to austria she went back she went back and they went to the house where she lived but feet didn't take her up to knock on the door she just couldn't in. She just stood there and she took a photograph of her and my father in front of the house and i know that she would be happy. The stay there you could for life. But life came different to her to them. And i know that the big family that they made in israel was like a revenge on the nazis for what they need to a family. I should realize by now. They had seven children from us. Forcible foam by wife and me in snow d. l. self has eleven run children and i have five lagaan james and all New some of the among the gun children and they were extremely proud. Likely said this was in a way for them all. I think that they feel that in a way. They fulfill some sort of this but having such fun i believe. That's one of the nicest things i've ever heard. heartbreaking but beautiful. Let me just ask you both. Finally all of this happened because of that tiny ad for the they posted in a newspaper that provided a passage your mother to get out of vienna and it happened because of a family who responded to about ad for just finally. What are your thoughts about that when you think about this. Little adverts made her her destiny to be able to say her life in continually being first of all ten years in the uk and then he needs israel having a big family. That was a faith when i look at the art is used as a lifebuoy without reach. Our mother would not survive and in fact this is a key point in the history of our family without which we will not talking bleach. Other coming up what happened next. Julian's father feeling learning about stories. Did you find common threats with your own. Yes absolutely i think one is this sense of a burden that these children had come out with either from the trauma of everything that they'd known as children being ripped apart or having left behind relatives who died and i think one lesson had from doing this. Is that very often stays for lifetime. And it's handed down from generation to generation. Obviously that constant light on what refugees today from syria and elsewhere are going through one thing that must have been incredibly traumatic. Was leaving your grandfather behind. Did he manage to escape the ana yes he did once my grandmother and father were in the uk. They were able to organize to get him a visa. A he ended up working for a factory setup by german refugees making bras and and it started off in london and then moved up to shrewsbury because of the blitz. And that's where my grandfather spent the rest of his life as a cutter in a bra factory in shrewsbury. What about other relatives did anyone survive and return to vienna. Yes i had one. Great aunt called melvina and we knew her macci who had been the assistant to the head of the local communist party when the angeles happened and so they immediately got out of australia went to paris and then she fled to the south of france and was sheltered in a convent for the rest of the war but then when the war ended scored out went back home and realized that both her husband and her son had been killed and stayed on in vienna but really it was a question of existing rob living. She stayed in this tiny flat. Really just living in the shadow of the war and living for our occasional visits. When i was based in central europe i was able to go more often and each time. Go to this awful chinese restaurant around the corner and she would always say how she felt that the needs basically hadn't changed hadn't really shown remorse. Father was really young when he went. Was he reunited with his parents. He'd reunited with them but he never lived with them again in part because that was the rules he had a student visa and my grandparents had visas didn't allow them to live with their children and so through his teens until he left university he lived in canavan and obviously would go and visit but his life was with being lease and i think that my grandparents told that is what is going to give him the best chance in britain if he's grows up in an english speaking british family but it must be incredibly hard for them. I can't even imagine what it must've been like to have escaped and then have been able to be together. What was your father's lifelike. In the years and decades that followed he was dazed successful as a student. A went on to become a psychologist but clearly looking back always had this shadow hanging over him. He ended up taking his own. Life is nine hundred ninety three and it was my job to ring nance bingley and to tell this news and her first response was. This is sater's victim. I mean it's a way that i'd never thought about it. Because he'd had also career problems and kind of made a mess of his private life And so at seen it through that prism but she'd seen him as an eleven year old boy who'd arrived totally traumatized have her. You know that boy was always within him and that shadow always remained culture. You nineteen ninety-three I was Twenty two how must have been incredibly hard. Yes absolutely julian even working at the guardian since nineteen ninety s a newspaper that you now know how this amazing role to play in your family's past. How do you think your father might have felt about you working here. You had the kind of traditional refugees hopes for that children get proper profession like being a doctor or a lawyer. But i would like to think that he would appreciate me working for the guardian because it was treated with a certain degree of reverence in our house. His father was a social democrat. He was a social democrat. And i would like to think that he would be proud of me. Working for the guardian in. Thank you very much thank you. That was julian border and joining us from israel. Ruthie elkana and danny siegel a huge. Thanks to all of them. Julian has an amazing piece about all of this. Do read it at the guardian dot com. It's all part of our two hundred year celebrations. I hope you manage to by the guardian yesterday and as part of it received the first ever copy of the manchester guardian back on may the fifth eighteen twenty one to mark two hundred years. We are of course celebrating our past but also thinking about the future. The focus is on the guardian as a work in progress since its birth in manchester. There have been so many powerful investigations but there is so much more. We want to do and conversations. We want to have about how to make things better as part of the anniversary. There are a series of articles videos path like this one and events such as our free got in two hundred made in manchester of add on. May the eleventh do check it all out at the guardian dot com forward slash. Two hundred. that is it for today. This episode was produced. By courtney yousef and elizabeth kazan sound design was by saami l. an-any the executive producers unequal jackson and phil menard. We'll be back tomorrow. And now the business update after a difficult year. Experts are optimistic. Recovery's eminent with key indicators improving and yet men everywhere continued addresses if they just rolled out of bed. The economy is ready to bounce back. Are you at charles tear it. We have the high quality shirts and smart menswear to get you back to your best. Trier introductory offer with three shirts for only ninety nine dollars delivered. Free use code pod ninety nine at ctshirts.com or any charles tear at store.

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Midday News Brief for Friday, September 20th

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Rory Cleary's Guineas dream | Racing Riot Podcast

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Rory Cleary's Guineas dream | Racing Riot Podcast

"Welcome to be racing bryant podcast on structured stacey. I'm joined by my curves. Charlie post charlie. How have you been doing. It's been a busy busy time for you really busy time. Josh don cossack sales sort of took up almost all of last week so three four five ended up with another seven oray on top to break ins over thirteen horses to get started over the last few days Been pretty pretty flat out. I've been hearing me talk about the sales for a couple of years now and i finally go involved. I went to the south of the first time. It was a crazy experience million miles an hour. I went away blown away. I thought it was amazing. Yet it's for someone that's not been before like you say there's there's so much to take in. Never mind the the such a lot of young horses in a confined space. And so you need to be having is on the back of your head so you don't get bowled over. You also made the fatal mistake of turning up in a pair of very benching shining black loafers. And as i said at the time next time you come you'll know it's comfort rather than style for these long days on your feet and you wanna sort of walking shoes or trainers or something. That's going to give comfort and support your soul especially when you're taller you because after a few hours i should imagine your feet were on fire rookie era. I thought first time not sure. The dress sense go smart. Just in case beth's we have addressed and unaddressed I was proven wrong. Look to it but you also got to see some very expensive stores. Go through the ring as well before you left. A couple of high hundred thousand pound plus horses going to pour nichols in the mount nelson in a cave tara so it was exciting day. Wasn't it you definitely and they all seem to go to tom. Malone he is he is a series powerhouse. In the in the sales ring your daily needs seems to hoover up a lot of talent. When he wants a horse he gets it. Yeah i mean i think. Especially when he's standing alongside paul nicholls. You know. they're they're they're not often denied. And yesterday we watched the cave star. Go through that. Made a hundred and fifty. Five grand know sullivan. Every time there was a a response. I think from kim bailey stood down by the ringside. That was mulling it over whether to go again as soon as he did. It was like instantaneous. Vine they went again and they they were going to have the horse. It seemed whatever the cost and what what also was again. Just never ceases to amaze me is the resilience of the industry's trade show so strong we went up. Beth can the after going on in the world that there might be some value as a buyer there was no value and you paying premium prices for quality produce. And you have to work hard to find the ones that you liked and then the ones that you liked and you could afford. It made emend pretty hard work for the days to. He brought home alone. Sales tactics abloh speaking to you about this but but when you were bidding for the horses the you wanted you had a similar tactic as well. You solve. Wait forty five seconds. Look away to other people. Is that intentional. Almost completely ignoring. I think it's like anything is in. We don't have an unlimited budget Attend tend to sort of. We tend to sort of wait and see how it's going to unfold. We don't get stuck in bidding early a nemo me week. We come in. You know when we're normally coming in when we feel that the the bidding assigned to lull and were quite happy to fire back when it's within what we feel is the sort of value that we've put on the horse but once is nearing at the the maximum that we put on that individual. And it's not the same across the board you know it. Depending on the quality individual we will put sort of what we francesca. And i feel is a ceiling price and yet when we get to near that we'll have a few shots and it's like well hang on a second came in here saying twenty five grand thirty grand thirty five grams all maximum. But we like they soc. What are we gonna do. Are we going to stretch the budget on our and and so a lot of the time. You're you're weighing it up. You're also trying to fail. Will will morbid. Get me this horse. Or do i feel that. That's going to be worth it. If say i put thirty five grand as a ceiling price on this horse and we have is paying forty really upset or do we think forty worth risking and yet. Do we feel if we did that. We're going to get the holes that we want it. It's a tricky one. I mean certainly. I suppose if you're going in there and i don't know and it's a hundred and fifty grand but you've valued all hundred and eighty grand will. It's easy to be aggressive. Your bidding because in theory. You still feel you're getting value. Don't you run plays it differently. It's a fascinating it's a fascinating spec to just go watch especially when those big money lots going through and to see how it plays out and a certain remember being there. Not not that. He's justified as price tag but went into connected. Went through the ring and made six hundred thirty at the horse in training sale and it was real sort of sporting theater and i remember the everyone sadness sort of absorbed applauding when the hammer came down in the went bananas. You could see the auctioneers panic in because he is going to be a disaster. We've got all this money. This not going to do itself an injury while everyone clapping and he goes out. And say yeah. It's it's it's certainly something that a raise from the has seen it before it's well worth going in experiencing if producing young racehorses isn't view there is definitely a future in some sort of acting role new york gangster as i was very impressed. Must say but we've got plenty of good racing to get stuck into two are classics of the weekend. The two thousand and one thousand guineas eight brian. One the one thousand guineas winning english one thousand guineas mother us. He will not with empress josephine. Did you think the the the one thousand particularly strong both sides of the water a tough call. I mean certainly the vibe you get for me is is over a mile that i know. Brian doesn't have like standout. she knows in. Unfortunately roy moore. He's been on the wrong end of the decisions in in. Almost all of them you know is in He he wasn't on mother earth in the english one thousand guineas and he wasn't on empress empress josephine in the irish one thousand guineas. Now one would presume that aden is trying to put ryan or more. He feels the best johnson the race. I don't know sometimes as thinking with the future in mind. But certainly i would imagine roy. Moore's perspective he would hope to be on ballydoyle best chance and the fact that he's not been would suggest to me. That much is theirs quality. Because they're winning these classics desert. That not even unexpected. But the the fact that they're going in mall pandered suggests to me that that lacking standouts not division for all. That's still winning. I do think that the might struggle stepping up until open company later on the season i think the culture a much stronger max. Winning mcsweeney and poetic flair want in the two thousand irish guineas. Four jim bolger. He's just had a brain time. Brilliant month obviously winning the irish thousand. The english two thousand guineas as well these. I've watched small. Yeah i mean you've got to say that. I mean first of all three of the day i mean i just to get ballydoyle. No brian they also do about. How refreshing is it the way that poetic flares been trained no concerns about maintaining a perfect three year old season or anything like that. So i hate you won the english one thousand guineas made off you. Go on the boat to france and try and win over. There didn't really get an awful lot of luck in running in the french. Two thousand guineas but ran creditably. A men done no chance of a break for you. You're out against the color and you're gonna take in a rs two thousand guineas and he was just denied wasn't an unless and you felt disappointed for him but he i for me. I said on the tweet. I feel like his reputation been enhanced by being beat twice because i love seeing taught level performance in whatever sport boxing especially not trying to protect her a perfect record or an unbeaten sequence but going out there and taking on the best and except in. Sometimes you're gonna get beat. Sometimes you win and poetic plays bundles of talent as an english guineas winner and he's also got toughness durability to boot as well and if if they do decide to go to royal ascot in a couple of weeks time he still going to be a major contended with saint james palace states. Because he's not going to take on mcsweeney there because he's over the darby. Josh gyms go a special way of training and a real connection with this whole his sentence him to normal. China will the fact that he breathes in owns most of his champions. I mean poetic flag for example is by doing approach who jim bolger trained to win. The two thousand guineas and sold a significant stake into godolphin. Which i should imagine was pretty tidy business one would think. And of course the guineas winner max. Wadey ours can win. It was out of new approach. You jim bolger trained to win. The dalai again owned by shape. My wife. i think the caller is he ran in when he won the dobbie. So what you're seeing here. And i think again. The they were bred on his own stood. They raced in his wife's colors. And you won't. You're seeing an incredibly intelligent man. That sort of is doing it at all levels like i say breeding training selling champions at un. I would imagine making significant sums of money from doing it but of got nothing but respect for him. because it's not a debris in game is far from easy and to be able to to to breed the sort of champions and then race them yourself. I thought there's an awful lot of satisfaction there joshua delighted to introduce to you our guest on this episode of the podcast. He enjoyed a massive win. One of the biggest of his career in the two thousand irish cities at the curragh is big part of kim bogey-team who settled a one to the race. Pleasure to be joined by rory cleary rory a we can remember. Just tell me when you cross the line. Winning the arc on the getting. How did not feel is often lanes actually realize walks after doing homini but it's already starting to shake in no in automates. Many integrations at night was invented by to work on all expect to walk the walk animation cash. I'll be get around dash. Sometimes they would just tomato. I always get the impression from the stories of the of the fantastic right. Is that have an untrained and race in people that have come through the jim bolger academy the fairly good to keep your feet on the ground anyway underground. When you're an must have a few years ago to the yard and robin thicke and is ryan for the time we bought all often called vocalizing. And i got to right out there with tom. Donahue was riding. were there at the time. And it's it's a fantastic place isn't it. I got the impression that nothing is left to chance the in the ball. Yet fantastic facilities astaire on threat train horses. It's gonna it's great operation. Meet him to expect you to train. Him just makes him so special. Ed a trainer aidan he phrased dirt ninety percents of the morality's on region bred horses philly. He's already on him said from day one with them and it's it's just bringing to eight bring him on gino's dependencies in saito's Often the duck. Down destroyers noticed petrified set out. He knows how to train them. i think. that's what special and the season fantastic poetic flair. max week. We need to talk about mcsweeney. Won the for curiosity. L'ancienne breaks his turning out to be that will always be a good trial but a chemical when the full went onto win the guineas. I wanted to ask you actually the first time. he's sweeney. This year is over a mile and a quarter was was the two thousand guineas always to plan or was that something at the start the season that you thought maybe stepping no relief work in everything at home i think the derby tried by spies three. She always had planned for bit disappointed. But he heidi's excuses after Despite this discharge. And he just months he didn't want to go to the eps darby on such a poor run so he said he. He runs the toyota. Two thousand guineas on just make sure that he was packed from says definitely item says if not better and he'll speak poetic fair which we hold him higher guys like the two of them very very smart horses. So it's for me. It was it was. It was a decision by toronto. So how confident are you out mcsweeney. Unlimit step up tomorrow. Amman half in the darby sure based don on saturdays she says shouldn't but he easy to ride horses covers the ground. Really and wet i deferred. He was going to the better. He's going to line seoul joy. I know that she'd stay. Stood before. So you've got the right attitude so you're talking about attitude poetic flab you know. Three runs in different guineas three different countries within three weeks. I mean how how tough is. Hey i mean what's what's he like. Kicked off these. He's already smarts he we drove enough said instead. He's he's right up there. Probably just an expert on okay not the to to tire. Sean did take the afterwards. After wendy english pub used to look at narva another guinea dungarees under his bed book. You and how's he come out of it. I mean because jim did mention jim. Daughter did mentioned that policy could be a possibility as you've been fine since since since the car and on the road out there on the go motorists happy so i think he's very happy with the way the minimum going back to guineas. Weekend mean you've A hell of a lot with the mia min and been successful for a long time but big race. Chances don't come around time and again in especially in a classic. And i just wanted him and you talk to the time about the loyalty. Jim bolger everything. But i wonder from for mental approach point of view. How you approach the ride. On on saturday. I was quite nervous about half the right and because we hold them in high regard at all kevin road. You're on in the week. Before before any wealthy he was Not even kevin said he despite the to which he overnight like very hard spent the two of them. A one was quite nervous. Because i haven't had many rights in group one racist never mind having a with. It actually has a chance. You know they're the boss. You never never even thought about looking ahead spare making never second. Guess put me on. Which is somebody but like. There's not many trainers out there with his t- It's proven out over the years. Something just not anybody as our yard on this yachts. I think is fantastic to this. So many good writers out bad just need which unity and get into johnson. It's about grasping which he did at the weekend. What did he say you often. Jim the into guineas all remember when i rang was just hanging him so much all he says. Why don't you deserve deserve. Dodging woke tired enough on space thought to result that we goshen zigic also on tastic degree agree more made meshal. Thank you very much really interesting. That from rory cleary josh. Like i say i think the the taking point from it was was one with two of them. One the gratitude that he felt of being part of the team. One of the one of the lads. I think you'll most reference to himself. A never imagined he would have a day like this and then also when i mentioned about the prize money factor for a arrived. That's doing perfectly well. I mean we're talking about someone that's having got four hundred dry season twenty one is. It's not a bad way to a living. Not a back rare. But when he said the winning the irish two thousand guineas basically equated to what he will get to a whole. Season's worth of normal work just shows you the importance of that. I completely agree on it and it was interesting. Point that you raise x rule that you you had to share of winners each season but those big ride in the big races. Light of a restless. Harriet thomas crapper. How did it feel wizard. Was there an added pressure. Because you imagine you line up to the stein race. Lead that and go back through this that often. I really need to not only sees the opportunity. Buds take in as well. Yeah without doubt. I mean y- the people talk about pressure and there's no doubt those big race right is on the flat. The frankie dettori is the roy. Moore's jumping in my lifetime. Tony mccoy ruby. Walsh up to deal with untold pressure of delivering. When you're expected to deliver but as a journeyman rider which is something that i hate the terminology but because of a viewed myself that way but a someone that is just typing away or doing averagely. There's united pressure trying to earn a living and also the pressure of trying to stay loose. Even though you know these big race rides aren't gonna come around very often so it. It's a different kind of pressure and yeah i feel like you did have to be careful not to let the situation get to you. And i'm not trying to equate riding the nour's two thousand guineas but from owning pointed you as well. You knew these moments were important. Because if you're ruby washer. Tony mccoy of frank sawyer ryan more. You get beat because you get no locking run dinars. Two thousand guineas but you know the dhabi. Go alaska that just round the corner and redemption won't be far away a chance to get more significant paychecks to keep the ball rolling for a ride lower down the pecking order your lineup. Rory clear in guineas and you finish your head behind you get no luck and running and you know your chances gone one of earning a lot of money and to probably getting another chance at that level and yes i certainly jump jockey. I mean even say. The money is nowhere near the same riot like riding a welsh national winner. And i think i probably go you know five and a half ground is my percentage out of it well to me that was like it was the equivalent of at least probably three months brining wages as in so they make massive difference to your season in anyone that will tell you when they're tipping along in the middle somewheres of a writing career. What makes break. Your season is a couple of those big debt. Paid as where you get significant chunk of money for one ride and one afternoon's work and it goes from being just another ordinary. Earning season relative to an ordinary wage in the well to all of a sudden having a big to put away and have not look to the future win ruiz at the off he cross the line. It took him a couple of strides to really guy. Wow i've just done that was ever ride in your career and a win that you went. Did it took you longer than usual. I mean the first big one. I won the welsh national. Without doubt i mean i it boring to go. Vic's been but there was a moment where i mean and they wasn't high-calibre nip and tuck thing one seven or eight lens across the line and then suddenly like three or four strike. You can see it. Because i don't really do anything when i go over the line. And then i get about three strides we on the line. All of a sudden stand up and start giving it a big fist pump. You suddenly have. This realized that crossing the line. No no not really department. It's never been my thing to be nod from an extra like that. So and it's so it's never been my thing to be sort of whooping and hollering that and it just. It was a huge feeling of south satisfaction. That know what whether riding is worth next to nothing or not at least yet when you click on the racing post or whatever else and you click on that. Big race wins. There's actually going to be something there. Rather than what the all of my career before that no results found be. Your name was in history from that moment on yameen but not. I don't think this is like the battle of hastings or something like that. But yes i mean. I suppose there as long as the welsh nationals. Around yeah it would be nice to be on there on the role of absolutely. We talked about the sales of the star of the polk cost. Whole went to five hundred and seventy thousand pounds. Last year classic gateway met his debut. Willie mullins in the middle of may or the end of may think about it interested. That's what i think about that. If i'm being completely honest because it's not normally always willie mullins is starwood these point to point recruits. That you often don't see them for quite a long time and so to be out. Five months later is sort of surprising to moms in a may bumper as you say quite rightly over over two and a half miles and he won by fifteen lengths. I personally didn't think it was the most performance visually. If i'm being completely honest few people with that's a game of opinions isn't it. You know in your impressive. i just. There was something about the way that he went through. The last couple of furlongs at it didn't from the other. No just a visual point of view. It didn't really it didn't really resonate with me hugely an and that's not saying he's not going to go on and become a star or just is a personal feeling the i had You know we also the in the aftermath of thing. Patrick mullen said that this slide was going to be more than likely embarking on a hurling campaign come the autumn and not going to be kept to bumpers to go down the champion bumper. Josh witches. i do read anything into that. Not sure read anything into into the horse's ability. But i quite like it. Utica kill curry finished. Second in the bump last year. Let's say he goes north hurling runs in a supernova. Her make sure he will be seven. He'll be eighty novice chasing. I'm by the time that we're seeing companies. Have offense is going to be nine. I've thought he was impressive. And unto for a five hundred seventy grand a purchase. You want him to be impressive. Interesting stopped him off of this distance at this time of year and he did look pretty. Green i think we're going to have to wait and see with him. I think you could definitely see glimpses. Glimpses of superstar. You just need him to now progressing and then sherri. Yeah of course and i i agree with you. I think it is refreshing a straight jumping with him rather than spending another. See defending season running in bumpers. As you say they come from a point to point background so in theory it's not like they're completely unraced when they're racing first of all the rules. They've had a thorough grounding in from these point-to-point trainers they have done extensive galloping days away from home a massive amount of schooling so that there's a real foundation there already and so yeah i would completely echo your sentiments. That that it is nice to see gun straightaway. Hurling is a five year old robyn than waiting another year. I suppose if i'm countering you can see from a train is point of view why they do it if they think there's a lot of money and so you having a year hopefully winning significant prize money and bumpers. You're having another year. As a novice the way you're just racing against navas novices. Normally if the if they're not going to become a champion hurdler you then have another year as a novice chaser racing in fellow novices. And so you're able to possibly win a lot of races over a three year period before you have to dip your toe in against experienced older graded campaigners maybe find the ceiling of your ability. If that makes sense completely agree. And i'm looking forward to seeing him next season. We had some very positive news today with regards. To royal ascot and spectators racecourses roll. Ask will welcome a crowd of twelve thousand for each day of the justice. Five day meeting next month. I will do anything to be there. It's one of those twelve thousand people. Isn't that just brilliant. That is fantastic news. I mean again when we heard about the full thousand today i thought it personally it was it was it was great on one hundred getting crowds by the madness in venue as big as askar allow full thousand completely agree especially when you look at the likes of the football stadiums having and even some of the the love of capacity football stadiums guangfu and uneven. Wembley i think the cup final. They had twenty one thousand. So if you're looking at wembley stadium when you ask. Yeah i mean how big is asking. I mean four thousand people and ask you could go there. And then you don't see someone. I know is a hundred percent the perfect place to trial one of these trauma vents. And and even if you could fit four thousand people just in the middle light and they'd have ten meters each completely agree. I mean i i. I'd say we're still gonna struggle to get a ticket there before we had of charlie doing a charity chunky. Cry that i'd love to yet so racing welfare which is an unbelievable charity. Please google it and look look at racing welfare. They do an incredible amounts of work to to anyone. That's involved in the race industry if they fall on hard times and they've sets up. What's actually good story so tom messenger. Sunday's thomas conner shoe mark oleck jockeys an. I will go into cycle from perth. Racecourse to newton abbot in the summer. Anyway before to raise money for room over so i ring wise racing welfare up to say are you. Can you be on board if we're going to do this. And help us with some advertisement or publicity and they do you know what we're not. She already planning to do the same thing from carlisle to knob it so they sorting logistics is a monster plump before purse. Oh we've got away with. Yeah we did. We say a stephanie. A couple of hundred miles anyway so we weren't complaining You pay a fee to join in done. That's still space available if there's any keen cyclist alabama and you have to raise a couple of grand like hurting already. I can imagine for a company that you have to raise a couple of ground to charity so begging bowl now if anyone's listening and they would like to donate if you go on my twitter feed at charlie post. There is a tweet that links you to my just giving page and please if you would and cayenne donate whatever you can because it all goes to racing welfare and as a charity like say they do a massive amount for the in industry as a whole show it will be money. Well spent a very important. 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Bill Burr | Hotboxin' with Mike Tyson

Hotboxin' with Mike Tyson

1:52:02 hr | 5 months ago

Bill Burr | Hotboxin' with Mike Tyson

"So my drinking. Got out of control when i got money. And then yeah. That's the clip clip. When you fucking advertise this podcast. That is the clinton that's it. That was fucking perfect and a welcome back hot boston. I'm jeremy piven. And i'm mike tyson and we are honored to have the gray bill burr here with us tonight. Smoking a cuban living his dream. This greatest this is the most cameras i've ever seen on a podcast and you've got amazon people. You've got your own podcast. You're a big shot. I know but i do. I do it. Like i just have like a little mixer and i don't do it like this bill. I grew up outside of boston. You'll save suburbs. Yeah super white. Cul de sacs street. Hockey can't mess. Fuck whitey bolger babia not. That was in. Yes all the places all the place where they make the movies. I was not from there. I wasn't from there all of those all of that stuff that they've made all these great boston movies. I was in the safe suburbs. So mike was asking me your breakthrough and obviously everyone's got a different take on it for me an outsider. It's when you got up in philly and it wasn't going well and it was kind of a massive tailgate was great comics that we're up before you and they weren't doing well and you just decided to call this audience out in rant. That is legendary. If that's the myth of what happened what really happened was the first guy went up and he got booed but it was the summertime an amphitheater so those seats and then like lawn seats and it was right outside of philly and the first guy went up and i don't know say the place hold five thousand people. There was maybe four hundred sitting down and then there was another like two hundred just milling around and they will okay is your first guy and he just walked out there like what the fuck so he got booed then was sort of like the tone was kind of but everybody was doing okay but wasn't having a good time because you saw the first guy get booed so it's just like oh. This is an option so then like two three hours. After that. When i went on and it was after a break and i can't remember what so long ago it was hot. Some fucking weird video guy. Had pus coming out of his ears. And some guy eight it and this other guy puked and then they started the fucking show back up again. It was gross. And i don't even remember. I think bobby went up and did good. And then dom got booed a little bit. And then i went on and you know my first joke. I fucked it up. And that's why started to get booed. And then i snapped but all of that shit of like i was like i was going to go out there and tell people fuck themselves. They didn't have. I went out there. I was trying to have a good set the to have a good set of didn't happen. What is it that you believe that you believe makes you different. Oh i don't know. And i would be afraid to analyze that because if i did then i would think that i would be thinking about that. Rather than just reacting to whatever was in front of me. Or saying what i wanted to say. I've got me the spiracy. Man i am but i also am like oddly. A it depends on the conspiracy. You tell me your okay Anything with with bankers. That is just like like if you started a ponzi scheme. I started you start the team. We're going to jail. But those guys ponzi scheme gets to continue on and on and on and every time it shits the bed and everybody loses everything. They do that shit just too big to fail. I know it's been a while since i got into it because i kind of became that guy that was bombing. Everybody out who up on them. So so how do you feel about the bank. what do you think i don't. I think i'm smart enough to really understand it. I i don't get why like. Why does it have to be gold behind our money. Why does it have value as long as respect. Twenty dollars and you respect twenty dollars. Why can't this just be magical paper like why does it have to be something behind is all the bow control of views. Junkie knows all about control. It's all about getting the most you can out of them and giving them the left they deserve. It's all about slavery and they have nothing to do with economics color. But it's just that's what it is you do think it's all about slavery so then you would spend the day work in racially like now. Don't think it's like an airline with like sky miles. No they have group one group to group three eighth thing that will all diamond medallion all slave to something all slave the some money. Mislaid these fucking things with some cocaine. You all slave. All we're born slaves characteristics that makes us slaves uplifting. But but but mike used to have that. Because you were taking advantage of and you've evolved and it's a different game for you now. I agree that. I do agree that but that's not that doesn't mean it's over for everyone out. No i only succeed. When i help other people succeed right if i'm not wanted to succeed in a failure now. How long did it take you to figure that out like. Is that something you felt. You always knew or did you know way no. When did you like when did that. Like come on ramp three years ago. My wife inspired me to liberate myself myself pretty much. How long was that conversation. That's amazing that's amazing because a lot of shit myself you can do it whenever you want to. That's one interesting about life. You could change your mind change who you wanna be whatever you want because my thing is what gets me is my my. Life's work is my temper. And i rage trie but he figured out how to navigate that artistically different than most who are about real life like being not just up on stage at home like. I don't wanna be flipping out. Like i don't want my kids to be scared of me the way i was scared of my dad so my kids aren't scared of me. Which is the the success. So far but like i i figured out because i came from the sit down and shut the fuck up. That's how i talk to you. Yeah we've seen and heard so. I beg when shits does starts to not go my way. I feel like no one's going to hear me. It's embarrassing to say this out loud. They call nominalism. What is that when you feel nothing. You feel like you're not hurt. Yes so we'll that can be literally trying to figure out the operating system on my phone or like my wife. If i say hey we gotta be there by two or three o'clock and we get there at ten past three thing. I don't know it. Just them emotional training. I need a lot collagen training. I just wanted that book emotional intelligence people just like that and that's you know slaves to their motions. Yeah no. I used to be those pupil. Well as miami with me if you're a business owner like myself you don't need us to tell you that running a business is tough but you might be making it harder on yourself. The necessary don't let quickbooks in spreadsheets. Slow you down anymore. It's time to upgrade to nets. we stop paying for multiple systems. They don't give you the information you need when you need it this the spreadsheet and all the software. You've outgrown now with the time to upgrade to this week by oracle the world's number one cloud businesses them nets. We'll give you the visibility and control over your financial. 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I'm sure there's a lot of holes in that but there seems to be a couple of holes in the nutritional value of plastic them. They'll live off the nuclear waste and all of that story. I know you don't believe me. Eyebrows know what. Atf does that mean. I don't believe in a higher power. That's what you speaking of if you don't believe in god. I am confused with that right now my life. Why that because i. I don't understand why god doesn't take credit for his work. Like why does he make sociopaths and then punish them who said he punished going to hell and all of that show. i'm catholic. what what did they tell you what you grow up to be a catholic but listen Holding my button. Then i go past the graveyard and all that crap but when you will look at the exit what do you really think about. God's forget you living what do you think about how the elements of what it is. I don't think he's mad. And i don't think you get judged for what you did. He told you you think in navigating your life now. He has nothing to do with you being here. You being the funny man that you are yes see. That's the thing. Because i feel that like if i do good things good things happened. This definitely these laws. See my think about religion. Is i think that people came up because they couldn't explain how we got here so i think everybody has these theories that turned into religion. And then these elements. It's like if you're conspiracy theory. You got enough conspiracy. One of them has got some truth in it but like i think all religions are inherently flawed because they were made by people who are alive so they don't know the biggest answer which is what happens after you die. So that's like the biggest guessing game. And i needed a whole new reprogramming so what i wanted to do. Was i want to tire the other way. This is all bullshit people made it up. You die you go into the ground. I went through that. And now since then i had kids. It's just you know there's no way to describe unless you had a kid. Then i'm just like there's gotta be something to something beyond this something. There is something beautiful behind all of this control of three two more with us. Nothing behind the curtain b. But don't you if the religion is inherently to. There's this guy he's watching these hanging out. I know this laws. I'm i'm with you on the percent. Okay how do you think would be without it. You think who would be better off really. Think managing us thinking i. I don't think. I don't think you need to go all the way the other way would. Now there's no judgment and blah blah blah. Bullshit that was at. I think that if there was a No i'm thinking so bad. Say what do you think. It should be no vision. No no no. I don't think that. I think there should be no catholic religion. No it's like you're looking at an old house that needs to be redone. You don't need to tear it down. You just need to upgrade. What about spirituality. Mike there's spirituality your connection with god without being in any one of these religions. I don't know this jolly jolly come from religion new months. It doesn't have to you know you you know so you so you dictate your own show. Then all of all. These are the my rules. Now though i'm spirituality. So i'm i'm pretty much. I'm a prophet of god. Since i'm going to do a spiritual perspective in mice pooches perfect one. Don't i ready to lines in. The book is a matter of fact. When i make my book people have made up their own book. I'm sitting over here. I'm the jewish guy. You knew it. He smelled a jew. The ginger smelled the ju. It's a good breaking balls. I miss it. Yeah i mean like looking at you your last special from outsider. You're crushing it. You're saying you're fearless saying whatever saying what you want to say. And at the end of all that. And you're in london and you're relating to a culture that you don't necessarily have a great reference because you didn't grow up there and at the very end you're there with your kid and this this will sound like i'm not kissing your ass. I'm just being honest. But there's something about it. That really struck me at the very end with the credits. And you're there with your kid and it's at silhouette of you guys in the back of the royal overhaul. Yeah it looked like someone. I don't want to see. What has it all. But you've had figured some stuff. I know i did. I did i did. No i definitely figure stuff out. That's why i'm trying to figure out how to come back to a higher power thing trying to figure out my temper. And all that i mean i just. There's something wrong with you if you have a kid in. It doesn't change you. it doesn't make you look at yourself and be like well. I got a lot to work on. Because you know there's a lot of stuff i didn't like about myself and then when i had a kid i was a kid. I feel like i'm contagious. And you think. I don't want to pass this ship. You know paid. You could hide something in now. They can be like secret. I have a temper man. You can't hide that. Like if i was not not in high in timber behind the cause of the temporal. Well if i could trying to figure out what is the cause of it on trying not to cause it brother all star that. Why am i mad. Why i know you know why why he met you. Oh yeah. But that's what. I just figured out but for years when i would yell at my phone i thought i hated technology. Nothing to do with. You're totally honest silly. Do you know what it is. The thing is is you're more evolved. You've worked on yourself more so you think i'm where you're at. I'm not so. I'm learning shit from you right now. I'm not trying to be clever being totally honest like i said that i fucking hate technology. Technology kept me alive. I had a ruptured appendix. I don't hate technology. I just get frustrated with shit. And i have no. This is what you hate. You hate the aggressive therapies technology. Vegas phone it's too light out. It's the afternoon going in my theme. Last sigmund freud a man that dragging the deepwater i see capo. Get and over here. Like i really him. And you're like you know why you're angry. Mother fuckers considered smoke a cigar. My oh my god bill. You know that. Mike had a one man show. Did you know that. I loved it. Okay would you. Would you love what you love about it. It was a couple of things that really struck me as performance and a sports fan. Where you were talking about you wanna fight. It was holyfield and you will get hit by this guy and you said i was. Maybe this interview. I've watched so much stuff. But i think it was one man show. I think it was an interview. You you said you will go. I was like what the fuck. What the fuck what the fuck and. I thought that was so amazing that you would think that i would be thinking like. Oh my god end. Get me out of here. I don't wanna be here and you're just thinking like what the fuck is going on right now. Why is he hitting me. I'm not hitting him that you could be that clear in the middle of that when you have a world class athlete in front of you teeing off when you try to knock you out that you could be relaxed enough to think. What are the providing about us acting findings about us what you. It's all about relax station. The most lax actors the fact that the mostly like five at that moment either. That's true and then the story. You told and i remember when that happened was somehow you ran into the dude. You're gonna fight before you fought him and you punched him in the head and if somehow running after the limo or something like that like i heard the full story rain. Oh my god that to me was like it made when i watched it. It reminded me of. Charlie murphy had stories like that where it was like. This can't be real but the details. You know it's true. I listen when i was fighting the screen right this guy. He was aimed. And i was wondering why i was hitting this guy and he was really. He was who wouldn't hit the ground. What the fuck on my hands. Hurting right right and Ripping it out of his chest yet. I hit my head when a shining without right right. So i get back in the car and i said let's go and next thing. You know he. He just like jason booth. I'm in my car and he breaks. I'm gonna roll. Voice breaks the luck in The side view mirror the mirror mirror. Yeah after i go fucking beat the show. Boom my head has ended the fucking contractor. Oh shit you know. People had become book that shit. Like oh shit. I got in the car. Let's get about fug ida here. But man i i saw the morning he was awaken. He really fucked up. Abe was like why glad he didn't die. Shit so did you guys ever talk about that. Did you ever run into them against time. After i read into our you'd figure he'd be scared the funkaway and he saw i'm in the i'm hanging out the people have. They can haul them. That people have the kid outside in the restaurant. He fucking bickel. You sicily type motherfucker in front of hundreds of thousands of off fox. He's just he had no. Here's the boarding in christian but back then no self respect he care he had a jury amendment. I guy in last dragon come on you remember last dragging the movie that guy had the jerky no look just like him. I think he had the last jerry curl. The guy who literally was great for boxing because when a guy would take stiff the product will come out of his way in. Yeah i shit man. Jerry curly shit so mike you said everything changed for you. You were terrified and you are so scared and then you realize they were more scared of you and that in our and what bill which is talking about when when evanger was hitting you. I was that one of the first times that you thought. Oh wait. maybe he's not as more scared of me. There was a moment where it flipped. And that's why you're like what in god's name is happening. I dunno know he was clashing with it. Had oh shit what buddy where he purchased coming from. I've seen these shits right and that would basically came from god it. It was the first car you bought when you made it. When i mean the roadways but the car the last one was in the first one with that. How much does it side. Humira costs on rolls royce. Nine thousand back then something like that. Probably it'd be kinda deserved a little way. Maybe not the car had should hit the sidewalk. There's a little bit of grass. No he just so vivid like to pfizer. Like i don't know that's i actually learned a lot about comedy watching a fight. One fight if commie. Yeah i i saw two guys spill out of a bar. I was walking from club. And i saw these two guys spill up and they will posture and but you could tell neither one of them wanted to fight and all but all their friends with neither one could back down so they were both scared and i was watching it from across the street. I was crying laughing. I didn't know anybody that and i was crying laughing. It just struck me. That like true comedy is like if you were experiencing it. It's not funny but if you're watching it like this shit is hilarious. Like maybe explains around like truth is funny like their fear with them is fucking though. I can always go another way. That one these data to have a fight and kill other guy and he has the family and people that loved him and he had to leave them now. Because of that one moment of ridiculous the one i know but if you saw these two guys that was not going to happen. They will built like guys shop at the end to the bar. No they shouldn't. It was just to ego. Who weren't gonna back down. And they were just hoping the other guy was going to walk away and they didn't and next thing you know this standing outside the bar with the gap genes. It was just funny. So did you take that and run with it. i mean you. A comedian comedian. The dog people then the guys. What do you talk shit about people. Now is your dog with your endured in life. Most convenient stan guys do what what they endured in life. Oh i mean compared to what you went through yet. Nice had a good time feel. I may one of my to tell you about the pain in my childhood up this shit you went through. I can't do that. Pain is pain is relevant. Yeah you can't compare do it makes you feel better. You know like you just see somebody get. Oh i don't know stand on the side of the highway when a christmas sweater fucking begging for money. I saw this guy. The other day party didn't give them money because he had on the christmas sweater. I'll be honest with you. I just thought it was odd. But first of all he is back to was clearly count money and he turned hit gold earrings on this christmas sweater was asking for money and i was thinking like what kind of homeless guy has a wardrobe like appropriate for the holidays for him to come around and beg so given the money but i mean you look at the perspective that you would gave me. She wants some time blessing from god with knowing that you gave him a good perspective. I did not think that the only think about your feelings and yawning ca feel control. You're thinking i'm not saying shit. No you're saying he was manipulating. You mow way. Imagine about What kind of people do what he does. I don't even know what i do anymore. I just did a tour. Standing next to freeways and texas did eight shows no eight night sixteen shows. I had a great time but it was like I felt like it was tailgating for the week. It was a way so tell. Why did you feel like you tell 'cause that was outside and it was cold. It was wearing like winter clothes perform. Yeah yeah next. Highways like so the first show is always during rush hours like yellow the traffic so it's heavy lifting and kinda like the early days. It was hard to get to lock in with the. Yeah the people. Yeah because you got to. You got to hear what were their rhythm is. Then you gotta get in with it and then you can take them on a ride and like it was like the skyscrapers and the laughs. Were kind of going up. So i kept going. You guys having a good time. And then their response was and then. I had to be like okay. This is one of these shows were. I can't hear them. But i just have to know that. They're having a good time. So i sort of slowed down a little bit and was able to get through it. But i mean but the positive side was. It was the fact that people care enough about comedy or coming to my show that they would sit next to a highway. Planes landing was like final approach. Love field and people need to laugh now more than ever. Yeah i guess so. I mean that shit was pretty funny yesterday. Though do you love what you do. I do and i miss it and do it as much because it. Yeah i mean. I still do it as much as i can. But it's like you know. One of the gigs i do. It's like it's a parking lot. Show so people like sitting and cars so you kind of have to adjust to the rhythm of that like okay. They've flicking the light. So i guess join this theft. My wife's lately the drive ins go see a show. Yeah it's weird. Well hopefully this vaccine is going to work. We'll see you know one five became band i will. I want our perform anywhere will perform pig shit and you have to be one person it. But samantha to be there. That's what i get. I get gets off doing that. We love it shamed do. Why would we be ashamed. I is seen as wannabe out there in front of people talking shit in talking about me and that and people look at me and all that shit. That's really interesting stuff right. Yeah don't you one man show was good. Yeah i i so chazz palminteri do it. Yeah baby baby. I think i could do that. He is so breathtaking when he did. Here's inspired me. Great yemen. i remember coming to see you and you were having so much fun. He started going off script improvising. And he's got his wife in zere she's playing with the good hair they stopping the astle. Okay and my ear. I don't think i could ever do a set of my wife very traveled. Way for larry's making me laugh. She would be going lately. That joe killed him. What do you think you're special. Now she was. You'd come up with something. Running commentary no yes. His wife is keep keep him on track. Yeah my wife is one day. I must've did some. We argue that. She has left the house then he said i must've did something you know you did something there. How did it go. Great because i was lied. Talking about the great but I believe she did this. And i learned memory. You could've opened with that and just say usually my wife's talking in my ear but i pissed off so you guys are gonna get a free style show. They would've gone nuts. Because that's something that i learned early on. Is you have to address of the things that you know anytime anytime that you if you just address what is going on who they love. It breaks ten then then it feels like special like you did a sitcom you know. They didn't like when you got the line right. It's when you screwed up. Then they felt like oh. I really am behind the scenes. If you just had a show like taping in everybody like hit their mark and everybody said line at all work. They like they didn't interact. I didn't get to see the screw ups. I could've just watch this at home They want to see like the the inner workings of it like. Why are you stand there. You've got to be over there and talk shit. Yeah have you talked to produce some stuff now. I got a start a podcast network. That has now turned into tv and hopefully a film. I wrote a film with a buddy of mine. Were looking like we're going to sell it. And so all things comedy is going to produce it and we started to do that. I wanna be a movie that would mean you um do i definitely get mad me doing some shit. Can i tell you that. I've been mixing up with a little bit. And he is on time and he's ready to go and he walks in singing and he's ready to go just in your blood stream it shake elbit back end deal you go. She aiding for his fucking -partment. You listen you appreciate the truth. I have to happen back bill to be honest with you i was. I was pretty blown away. That's what it was. I couldn't believe it was happening. Comes in singing earlier than any anybody but listener. The you've got your work something. I don't want ten percent but the greatest thing about show like say like stand up comedy is one of the like if you go to prison. It's hard to get a job. You can walk out of prison. And doing open mic within the first week and people will put you on. They won't give a shit. Do there'd be like dude. You should wear your fucking orange jumpsuit. You kill somebody. We should talk about that now. That'd be funny like they wouldn't give a fuck. You will laugh when you a fucking. Yana over the mushroom. It wasn't just wheat. I was just like there's no way. I'm taking a hit off of that going on here. Soon ruined l. He's truman and he's wearing pants. Like you went. Ride the horse sidesaddle. Some shit a dummy like my wife. My wife like dick. Jomon it'll be like jagger on my working in type panties though is judging my type fucking close. You should don't be told. Mikey should come with me. And he said he's going to have to wear a jock because he doesn't want to have to hit the pads and have a whole situation. Digress might be favorite podcast. My wife tight close to you. Had to fucking tight. Close my baby. This is me married tight clothes married typos absolutely so you never got into the baggy shit when it came out in the nineties. Fuck i wanted to show my bowl you. that thought. Once baggy pants came back. I thought longer shorts. I never thought short shorts or tight clothes would ever come back. Oh you never. They absolutely have mind would wear tight shorts even when he was boxing at lincoln everyone else's was going for the jordan down to the knees box into the booth sexy the boggling wayne with my body's tights and shit for suit. I've a for thirty two la di. Now what is it about that you like. It fits your junk better now with made it was made for me. He made me made about me. Baby i've dressed like this since the fifth grade beautiful whatsoever. Hopefully you save money by doing this. You eloquent way anybody's shit on one of wearing saving money check. What do you do with all the money. You don't spend on clothes bill you because he is a master you really is so he's just trying to get you in the film. I know what he's he's still working. I know i'm trying to get in the film to. I'm asking him about the. I'm not pleased may be able to being your film agnes skills. You don't have like yeah. I never thought you would wanna be. I am early thinking three different things you can do with it. You didn't think you were going to get married. no. I didn't i when i was growing up being married than that. Look nobody in. My neighborhood looked happy. Everybody was just it. Was you know i. It was like pre self help people. Just whatever happened. You shook it off your buried it and you just fucking just school. They just kind of funneled you down something. I think a lot of people that i grew up unfortunately weren't doing what they wanted to do with their lives supposed to do yes is what they did is what they did and then the reality of that hits and you got people back then everybody had five six kids you can't you can't pull the rip cord only bread great guys. The kid ran this country. People back then had all those kids. Some of those kids wound up being leader that this country shitting on their kids. I was just saying that it's tough to change a job. Change your mind that you could pull the trigger. Do what to get married. No bowel that what did do that. I don't remember but i can tell you this. It seemed like a mountain that i had to climb up in. It was like so many of the demons that you have because you get them when your kid they look like mountains and then you realize you had to do is step up on the curb. That's all it was. And i gave her the ring. She broke down and cried. Felt better and i was just like i should have done this forever ago. Right and the fear of tell you chaz palminteri story for you so it's day i'm going to get married and like most guys. I'm freaking out. Like what the fuck am i doing. What am i about to do with my life. And so i was getting fucking nervous. Getting cold feet some with my brother. He's my best. Man i go. Let's go down to the bar. I just need to have a drink before. I do shit. And he goes cool so we go downstairs And i'm at the hotel bar. And i got like a budweiser because i don't wanna be fucked up not my own wedding so i had a budweiser. I'm sitting there. And i look over the middle of the day. And i look i see chazz palminteri standing there with like four. The people and i immediately thought a bronx tale. Now you can't leave. When they close that thing they get the shit kicked out of him. And then i got my head going on my car. That's a fucking sign. I need to get out of here. I kind of go bye by why. I wasn't in new york where he was from. I was in boston. Why is he here. When i'm going to get married. And he doing here right fucking thing. Why the fuck fuck. I always wanted to meet that guy. Why am i meeting him right now. He's trying to tell me something. And i had to get that out of my head. Thank god i did. Because my means i'm going to die i'm gonna die and seeing them before i go. What was the limousine lot. Wouldn't was the last time you remember. You went somewhere what you saw either something you saw person and then you like a higher power trying to help me out it say and mike no. Don't do this or you know wrong thing. This is just that thought about this person and this person somewhere else. And i'm in the city of this country now. This guy is right here. You know what the first the doing here. No one can answer those questions. I think this is what. I think we had that last night. When you facetime me. Yeah he says. I was sitting there. I thought i was one. Because i've watched so many videos on you and interviews. I forgot i was talking to you for half a second. I'm like wait. He's talking to me right now sometime. That thinks i don't even think about somebody. In mccall is also. He may pull opinion the car. He may call you. You think about him and he said why would just think about you. I think that's something that we have that we don't know that we can't operate the cap into we'll be able to do confident instantaneously all the time that that power. Who would you make. Walk through the door right now. Excuse me if you had the power to do that like if you had control of it the sec and you and you were like who do you want to walk through the door right now. A kid that's a fucking nicest answer ever hang. You talk to your guide. You mentioned to make jokes on him and stuff. I would've picked. Lee majors personal. You were saying that your fear is always worse than what it is. Your fears always worse than what it is. All of your fear of getting head. I have a question. Find the co first of the boots by the puck. And know what i'm gonna start. C conduct in my with samantha. You're going down a different path. And i have no idea. What does it mean to have that type of color coordination on a podcast is incredible. I thought that was crushing with the black. And gray you are and with the great deprecating but you put it together put it together. Cover-up reminds me bonanza. I love this shit tight pants. Fashionably mimika pants looked like it went with that outfit. And you said you know what. I like those. You guys broke it up. Perfect mike scott. Some going on as well. you know. y- you're player now. Do they send you your at your level. Do they send you like a racquet close and just go mike if you could fit this because if you wear these shoes or this shirt we're gonna you know they're going to sell a bunch. Well no the film with the clo- the not cooling nevada acts them. This is what i want because some people often called the. I'm not gonna wear right. Isn't that weird though. You can't afford shit right coming up broke and then when you finally make it and you can pay for shit people. Just wanna give you stuff then. I really entrepreneurship. that's true. Mushrooms see see angles sitting here with my sober mind. What's the best part about mushrooms. Mike you the best part. The best feeling on mushrooms not being badgered with questions. You enjoy the high. Oh just kind of the nature of the beast here bill with the elements that you mean. Sometimes it just doesn't judge you had to worry about being judged but you can get bad mushrooms guestrooms. You dislike this. Didn't take me where. I wanted to be hundred thing. Yeah so what's the name of this. Strain of mushrooms often be no mushrooms. Peanuts called peanut. Envy mushroom i hear you. I was just waiting for the joke. You serious that's what they call it. I apology. I thought it was a joke. Hey i'm bill. Burr for penis envy. Mushrooms did get with these show. When you wanna get down to your kids level maybe talk to god. The shit tastes like foam dirt shit of vagina. Envy ask disgusting growing up bills reference. Mushrooms is when we were growing up. They were dirty. They lasted forever. And they weren't timid dating the sanitary baby. It is kind of cool. That shit is once it becomes legal. Then it gets way cleaner. They fine tune it. Yeah like we'd stores and bill the way humpty dumpty together again but he up because of my head i see what you're saying that he snuck went in after the belt guy. They were shit. What do you do until you bad. I kind kinda got rid of everything. What's mike i got to. And i quit young. I started late. i love him. I love one's going to be four and the others seven months living amber my advice enjoy it. Now i am and i am because that's why i kind of love it. I love the pandemic. Because i'm not on the road and i don't have a lot of shit going on Enjoying the hell i would. I had a girl first and then the boy which is great. If you have the girl. I because they are more receptive to having a sibling. Listen man where a boy kind of looks at a baby like this and they don't give a shit when they they twelve and thirteen. Whoa then then then. Now you've got another person in the how i know. I know i know the trip is takeover stuff already happened already happened. She's definitely the good cop. And the relationship but i think that that happens with i think girls obviously they the the kids get away with murder with the opposite sex so my son's going to get away with murder with my mom my mom but my wife the fuck was that my daughter will get away with murder with me basically not to the well. That's i think because my wife is sitting there going like you know she's that's a fake cry but she knows the thanks now. Let's making me look my wife like but so why do you know all these days with the constantly. Hey picking on my baby. You know me that well you make me with. No i feel like when chill discipline are you know. We don't spank or anything like that. Just like it should just be like. Hey you got to stop doing that or whatever. There is a twin. Jimmy going like yeah. I'm the same way. Yeah they might talk to her like that. Yeah she can do nothing wrong and so interesting because we were talking before about the fact that you can get from all these strangers and you could be celebrated and then you're looking for from your own kids and doesn't necessarily come that way you know. It's the real right kids right and when they get paid like the they the bullshit enough that i fab people. They'll see that. Bush kids see when we're not us on. It's so true. I see that bush the software and so they look at you so it's hard for them to the i like the jumping on your jacqueline these cds flaws going on. Yeah my daughter gave me that look at about eighteen months. My heart dropped. Oh my god she already figured me out feel. It is humbling. She she was looking people. Smarter than me. Yeah smarter member in the early and Do you know this stuff. They also have access to a lot. More information made all the day. No maybe way more breathe be the human being different breathing human beings you think because they they can't walk and they can't talk that they brain's working and they just process and shit they just don't have the ability to sit there and be like well. What you just did was really fucked up. They just sort of look just like he gets got. Look at you baby just like i know. I know i'm working on it. I'm working on. But the thing that i am i am happy about is that i apologize. I admit that i'm wrong. And i talk shit out with my kid. Might my son's not old enough yet. So i m my best thing that i liked. My daughter is not afraid of me at all at all. Which is she respects me. But she's not afraid so we still got that going for. My grandma said that to me too that you said to me grandma will be. He's my grandmother. Got here my kids. Yeah this boil. I mean to a certain degree space giving me everything i've told but that's not good. That's not right that's not right. I got nieces and they bust my balls and the estee crush me. It's it's pathetic. I took him over to jamie. Fox had a christmas party. And i brought pearl over trying to impress them because i need a win. I need a win from these girls who brought me. I would've been impressed. No would've really. I would have you. Let's go let's go pearl took one look at me. We're walking in. And she literally looked at me and she goes is jaime going to be awkward. The way you are. They walk in these little girls. Aren't they feel like you say that. There's there's no comeback venus and that is really blew her mind. She trained with venus a little bit and really took to blues. You can't believe it. My daughter said she goes. She just goes like dad. Can i have this. Or whatever. I go i go. How come you never say please. She goes well. Because i'm smart. And i know a lot about music. I mean what the fuck that means. I what did you ask me for. What's the name of this podcast up. Okay they might have like a little mushroom in their neon mushrooms. Yes i should. i really should absolutely right. They're like mushroom. Why not man. What about peyote jimmy. Do that appealed guy. Did you try it. No i'm told vacated totally told you know try how what is it about. The you would say peyote guy if you didn't try out no one ever offered it to me. I because that seems like for someone like me who never tripped or anything to summer to say. Here's some peyote. That's a huge leap for me. And but i feel like if you already tried mushrooms right. I just stuff that they owed is more more fries to me. Hey what's japan like. We've williams like than li line suddenly and does tokyo now. Whenever i see pictures it looks like a giant times square. I don't mean that in a bad way but it just looks ridiculously vivid. Lakewood have no way to talking. And so what. Coming from. America right i women in from patterns crimes of passion to the now. That's the thing over there. You got an interest. The scariest place i ever went. What's singapore. yeah because that was where you know. The came a young kid. Yeah and is how i grew up to. My mother was just like well they should. Those were the laws that's what they should do. I remember going through security. And just think like. I don't have any wheat i got. I got nothing right. I don't have any. We'd spend my wife you don't have any we'd nothing and like you hear this shit like if you spit gum on the street like you go to jail forever which is true that trouble. Yeah but you can get in trouble. But not like they execute you or anything. but that was the scariest. Plus i i watched a video of somebody getting caned it is no fuck in because to do took like three. It was finding on the tony fucking collapse. Sort of and they're kind of like holding. He had to take seven. Yeah it's not a good thing to watch before you go to. Singapore that's not good for tourist attractions. Are you letting. Mike thank you sir. You call your shot with the mandalorian. Did they come to you did you are you were you in the movie to tv series on disney disney disney. Well if you like spaghetti westerns you ought to check that shit up. Because john farrow. Oh my god he fucking the. They're killing her rick family. You're just killing it over. There and i will remain. I always made fun of star wars. Because i really really hated it. It's just. I saw people excited about shit and being a comedian. You just make fun of just make fun of. It is a miserable fuck on you for not. It's not as like i used to be now. I kind of do more fun. But when i was a younger comic when i was really angry i wasn't miserable prick but so anyway i've been working with the angry comic to at one time. It was the joe rogan standup. He's pretty tough. Yeah yeah that guy. He's one of the best. Comedians ever see like his energy on stage is unique. There's nobody the first time i saw him was at. The kowloon in saugus was a chinese restaurant like for some reason chinese restaurants in stand up comedy in boston. They just always had a room in the back. A room upstairs and this place that they had a room upstairs and the chinese food there. Yeah and east coast chinese food which is shit so i went with late. Great patrice o'neal and we went and watched him and we're just fucking blown away. There was nobody there. Was this weird thing with boston. Comedy where you had this mount rushmore people that created it and they didn't leave didn't wanna leave you know and they were making great money so you had to leave and establish yourself and then come back and then you could headline so he was the guy we were looking at like. How did he do that. Like how is he is still in his twenties headline in the kowloon. Because it just you couldn't you couldn't get that gig did not exist for our generation and he did it so like let's go down. Check this guy out. See if this guy is as good as people's he was he was when he was doing ever see tigers fucking his those closing bit and he sounded just like a tiger and he acted this shit out. I just like the i remember. The sonic like assault of that bit in a great way was just like there was like that bit alone was better than what my whole generation was doing collectively. When we watch this. I was just like and that was one of those things when you saw guy that good that it could not have an impression on you that you had to be like the biggest influence that was this comics in this certain sets. And he's both joe rogan loon in fuck in. I mean i'm talking. Like ninety. Four was before i moved to new york. Me and patrice went down and we watched him and we were just like what would is no more. Yeah yeah it's so that is one that will be ro charlie sheen something that was the last froze the yeah. That'll never not be said that guy. Yeah if he was still alive. You would know who. I was a lot of other people because he was he was he was so good but that was what made it great because he was so good. You'd never had a competitive thing with them like in order to compete with somebody they have to be somewhere within my sight and he was just over the horizon and just so when he went on stage. I just became you. Stop being a comedian. You just became like a fan of stand up. And that's what rogan did. When i saw him at the kowloon like i stopped being like. Okay how do i get there. And he he moved to la. I just i just forgot all that shit and just started enjoying the show. And i almost felt like i should pay them because i i was sitting in an audience member and people. Are that way with you when they see certain bids that you do like your helicopter bit. They look at that and go. Okay you're hitting that from so many different angles so many different perspectives. That's funny. I flew with the guy that was dude flying and he'd seen me do the bitney. Never brought it up really. How cool is that. I had to find out afterwards. I rented this helicopter. I got a pilot's license so we've flying up to crazy man flying up to do what i'm telling you. Once you get up there he will be so fucking scared. Driving down the highway. The highway becomes way scarier way scary. It's like nobody knows what the fuck doing it's like we're all flying in formation and nobody has any can tell me the same thing. Yeah it's like when you're up. You should see. I can't believe how beautifully the it's it's insane. It's insane so yeah i like go up there and i find shit i to go do with my wife. I don't wanna drive a. Yeah so you kind of do drilling jillian joking. No you know. I ended up getting into helicopters was conspiracy theory. Tell me so. I was reading too much about the federal reserve. Because you aren't doing too much because you can't fix it. All you do is just meet other psychos psychic and psychos. You can't tell me that you haven't met a conspiracy what you're excited. Because they're into a two in about a minute into the conversation. Like i gotta get away from this fucking guy. You don't experience that you mike tyson. Who look like me with no fights. People bend your ear a little all right. So it was my my. I was reading up on this ship. And just how. The whole federal reserve came about the woodrow wilson. Shed his letter of regret twelve yen. How they passed it when everybody had gone home. And it's like now. They wanted to put taxes on the robber barons. That's taxes were created. That's what these guys for. Twelve families made the federal reserve to the tax. The robber barons like the rockefeller then. The both i thought they were the robber barons and they took control of the money rob band. Who put the robber barons in their perspective. So unique tides like rules to do that make laws now. Well if that's what come in one thousand nine hundred twelve. What if that's what they were trying to do that. And if you told me that then i would have never learned how to fly. 'cause i learned how to fly from reading that shit because i became convinced that the dollar was going to collapse. The two thousand eight shit happened and they would just like. Hey go fuck yourself with too big to fail collapses that we will get us share. Hp makeup something that's called taxes and we're going to attack the rubber bands for their money won't get powerful all right well. My version of it was not read that that's what it did it. Nineteen twelve v families. Devil's island. I read all of that stuff so then double down just Families in the you gotta send me the link to read that. Because the one that i had had devil's island which really made it more vivid that these guys men in a place called so then he just starts seeming true. It's why the internet is really bad. It can be a great thing you learn a language and do all this great shit but if you just you know you're a dummy like me and you get a fucking laptop like there's no telling what you're gonna watch. Well what what you're going to believe they will create taxes and nineteen twelve nineteen hundred hundred tag why they also we should make taxes. I don't know man. I i don't know i just whatever the fuck i read. It made me paranoid. Live in la. And i was like. I can't even get out of this place when it works so i got on helicopter. Yes she did. You got on the helicopter that was it. And then i was starting to get away from conspiracy theory and then i started flying helicopters and i'm sort of a closet gearhead like shit but i've watched everybody fix everything i watched this guy eric. The car guy. I watched him like fixed. Like a fucking ninety. Five honda accord. And i can't stop watching shit like like he figures out the electrical you know and i just i don't know i just watch the guy and he just makes it look so simple so i kind of got into that and it really poor science background so the physics of flying in all of that. Was this haunting. Fear the ocean. Now what do you feel more than anything osceola long. And why did you just say no like you know number. We all fit the always like fucked your in my head. I'm thinking more than i do. The ocean aggressive therapy. You just met me you you you asked me and i literally said it was the ocean deeper no pun intended. This is from all those years. This is from years of having a size. agai guy up across to rigs. Who's like. I don't understand how you don't throw up before this. You know there's a guy just trading to fuck fucking knock your brain into the fifth fucking row and you know while you're trading that that's what that guy's doing. How do you even go to bed. How you not just lying there. Is he still doing more sips. Do i need to do a few more of these. Like knows engineering from within like before. They in thirty seconds at the size the mighty up before we fight the all my favorite stared down. You head was pierre. Mcnealy that fucking thing you'll head wasn't moving and he was sitting there going like this. You just stand there going when is would just go inside side and we all knew. The fight was over anyways. Greatest guys in the world personally right after by vanity or they sent me to harvard medical centers fake would pretty much knows and so you said that going like i'm not i'm not crazy the fucking doing head button me that shit. I got to talk to these people with these exactly. Did they give you the jack. Nicholson did it hat. From one of the cuckoo's nest come on put the game. They got in there with people. Fucking shit yeah. So they're also the maroon. Knock knock that peter mcmillian might. Let's go out baby beautiful baby. Let's go. I got the right now as i said i can't. I gotta take this test it now. Part of the out. That's amazing marriage. I wanted to go out with him so bad he looked like. That's so cool. You guys at one moment are trying to kill each other and then the second. It's over like you guys can just hang out and make some money for families man. We all have our most vital the really friends and we respect each other. We have on the show. Yeah but that moment he's talking about that wasn't a show. I mean you were locked in. Oh yeah we're fighting. You were locked in but as always again after my favorite my favorite i know he and another guy with a bunch of rehabs. Peter had a bunch of we had a beautiful per thank party. Another guy thought he had a great stairways was tommy hearns. Heard was pretty tough when yeah and he had that weird thing where he was like almost six feet tall but he but he could make weight at like one fifty five. Great that middleweight. Division in the seventies it was the heavyweight division. i don't know much about boxing. But like the middleweight division when it was iran sugar ray marvin hagler my favorite. Because he was a brockton massachusetts guy. He's underrated and it still kills me. They thought he won that sugary fight man when he was sitting there going. Why don't fight in vegas blah blah blah. I'd just like But but i also loved sugary and loved all those guys roberto duran. I love that whole division and boxing was all those guy for haggle handles as and the fifth korea form. I do love that. He when he said after that fight fucking. I'm not coming back. But he's coming back like barry sanders. You can easily go out. He's hanging india summit italy a couple of times. That's where he lives apparently hagler. Yeah he came to see me. Fight in england fighting mainly came to visit me. When you fought frank bruno or on the who planning england the english champion bright bruno reliever somebody who not only. How often do you run into guys you fought. And i don't mean the famous guys ran in the franklin. We did some kind of commercial together periodically that much. So mike you want to do another one man show by so you got a guy who's one of the best writers in the game can agent here. He's putting another package. I just i was trying to and if you don't want to go into it. That's fine but i was. Are you fucking kidding me. I do that a second. Okay with me with like some stores and shit. I seen you meant show. I wouldn't need to i would. Just i would expand on this expanding. That storage ridiculous online. I know put direct me all right. I'm not gonna ruin personally directed by you know. I'm really athol. When it come. The great thing about bills journey he could probably unlock different ways in different perspectives. To look at your stories on oversell it. Now don't a good. He said you're gonna unlock some shit. You didn't unlock anything. I get it fucking yelled at. What do you do shit lifelike. Besides the kids have friends. You'll want to stay club. Did i did before before this bullying before this shit happened. Yeah my my yes. I have I have a tight circle of friends. That i would do anything for and they do anything for me. And we've had some of the best times ever doing not even just doing the shows. It was like the hangs. Afterwards you know hanging out and talking and we would just always We would drinkers so we would just get like a tour bus and we do the show and then we would. Just you know we go to the italian section in like pittsburgh get a bunch of italian food and we've watched like a gangster movie or you know just felt like getting fucked up. We watched like anchorman. We did like just stupid clubhouse shit and i gotta tell you. I'm glad that that's the way. I did the fucking road. You know it was the way to do it with all this bullshit. There now allows young. Qb zoli blocking holyoke massachusetts holyoke massachusetts where it is always hearing that growing up only should dictate hit a club out there at one point shot out the dick doherty daugherty. Dick daugherty big door to door king. Boston comedy interesting guide do am i or is that the mushrooms what do you think it's gotta be fifty fifty one. He'd been yet. La did it's gotta be getting close. He took that last had cauliflower level of mushrooms that he took no just. Because you're in a different wavelengths way you should do be very stimulating. The thing of mushrooms is because it's not man made it takes whatever you're feeling in explores heightened it as opposed to so you've done mushroom. Yeah i like the way. I want to hear the story. I got more relaxed when i said it. This is an infomercial for mushrooms. And you know what i'm buying. We've got no skin in this. I know that's why it is because you guys are not making any money off of it in. You're selling like you do so it. It's will you said you said to him when he said you're an interesting dude. He meant it because it's not like he's doing blow and he's talking shit and he's a slave to this man may drug. He's just gets into whatever truth you have and it just kind of heightens it. Do you on blow would be the greatest thing ever right teeth and shit you back like in a movie. Oh shit oh shit. I never fucked with. That was weird like just certain. Drugs like the stigma. Like cocaine was always dirty. It was always in the back room and everybody had to be doing like you know you can take mushrooms in front of you. Want some It's social it's cool. Cocaine was always that no cocaine with another do. I came into very sociable cocaine. Everybody had cocaine in a moment. Everybody thought cooking. Burials cocaine. oh well. By the time it came around me. That's not the way it was. And i remember. I don't want anybody in trouble. Ninety six baby ninety six it was that was like fifteen years after the big six cocaine. The big light remember in the eighties co king got food and the had cocaine with math and moving join and yeah the might mic. I'm not saying this. I'm quoting you guys. Who could do cocaine and actually gain weight. Abs- very rare. Absolutely must that bad cocaine. You get the munchies. That's not what it was. But i got really lodge of the fat coquette. That's rare a to fat fuck cabinet. He should do more than coke. Chef fug. i'm the only fight. So i was helping helping him with his one man show. You got to build that out. Correct the fan about. You've got to do the show to do the this thing. And then do the fact. Cocaine coke pitcher i pigeon effect. Kogo we see that s. Just we've seen the pictures. mike. Yes i shut. My show showed him the pitches or pitches in the show. I picked fat crack at one of the predominant feelings on mushrooms just straight up joy and laughter correct. I'm just feel uncomfortable with you. I okay you know give you come to -bility and what does that say about you. That he had eat that much. Mushrooms to get fucking comfortable with you is a nervousness to you. Feel you can ask traveling through the couch. And it's getting into me ask what you might do. I make you you you make them. Nervous didn't fucking talking about sh- brother examine you to go to a you. Go to head to go to. Aa meetings and i immediately realized that wasn't an alcoholic. Because you went there. And i was just like i guess this is where my life is. I guess these people and then people started telling these fucking stories. Look it's like all right. I drink these fucking people and people. Because i was listening to this story. I just every low point. I was just going to quit. And then you came here and eight doughnuts and it was like no. I kept going. It was everything ended the same way the next day. You know i couldn't find my teeth. I don't i was. I was wearing pajama bottoms. I got day but you know nine am. I was standing right outside. Liquor store next door is trying to get the fuck. And i'm just so then you wanna share. It's like do i fuck it. Follow this gives you a little perspective. I also got busted so young. I was like twenty one when i got. I didn't get yet so my drinking. Got out of control. When i got money and then had yeah. That's the that's the clip. When you fucking advertise this podcast. That is the clip it. That was fucking perfect can happen back. There was so much fine. Oh my god that was like another three one man shows the name of your one man show that can happen that can happen and then you just fucking launch into it you talk about being effect cocaine seen it right. You gotta get in on happen. Believe no fat and that that can happen. Fucking tremendous have grumpy. I was driving all the way down. Here this is the greatest decision. I've made do listen. Do that can happen is now in my book in the nacuer offers covers so much ground seamy homeless with the beautiful woman. They can have that happen. That can happen. You have a great podcast. This is a great fucking park. Cuban cigars and that can happen with the day is complete. Mike look at you every once in a while. he'll just cut right through. Yeah i've noticed that within the first thirty seconds waiting for it. I'm waiting for it. I love this beautiful beautiful brother my spiracy mall for. He thinks the same shit. I think yeah. I think we got here. I don't know. But if i was on mushrooms i would think that fight actually happened elvis presley mohammed ali. Beautiful over giving that row of the beautiful person in real life. You know you wouldn't oppose them. People thought he was. Did you ever meet elvis mike. No he died in like seventy seven. Seventy seven august longest and seventy seven. You know somebody fuck. I care about dying seven sample. We now he's just not heavy. No he died was probably love years old. Remember that yeah. I was nine. Remember that i remember. They played them on the radio. My parents were danso his music in the living room and shit. That was a big deal. Lot of caddies at that funeral. Everybody loved him. He was a generous due to bill. Burr comedian baby may lineup toben. Two thousand and coup thousand after controversial dog. You know two thousand and two thousand. Mike that's twenty twenty brownsville schools man. Coming in two thousand and two thousand this great twenty twenty twenty and twenty so hit bill backlash after the nfl monologue. Boy oh billy. Oh mikey i did. Mushrooms do you. Did she'll beautiful person. She's funny you funny with my show. I had actually that was. That's all bullshit. That is okay incredibly difficult to get that monologue because you had no live real live audiences to kind of workshop the material kind of sometimes not friendly with people you know yeah. I'm aware i'm more defensive. Is what it is no. But i don't like the heavy man. Thank you for showing up to buy. New is going to be like this would have been here years ago. I feel like i'm skipping school right now. This is fucking amazing. Man is a beautiful day. Yeah absolutely remember. I skipped school. One time celtics won a championship. Eighty-six right my parents. I asked him if i go to the parade and they were like no. You can't go to school. And i was like all right so i just went anyway. And i didn't wear sunblock or anything. So my face i look like a fucking lobster and dummies fucking shit face as driving this pickup truck and i like fuck and twenty other drug people in the back and i went by this after i dropped him off. I went back to the school to get. Because i knew how to test and i didn't have the book so i went into my highschool completely. Shit faced sunburn. Some walking down the hall in the middle of the fucking like. I'm supposed to be in a class. C head of a hall pass. I'm walking down the fucking hall and of course the the vice principal suspended everybody. Mr calcium comes walking down walking face. And i was like just hold it together. Just you have passed. Just act like you have a pass. And i walked by him and i said i said what's up instead of saying mr callan. I said what's up. And i was just like go. How are you. And he just kept fucking walk and his thinking. This is a automatic two weeks suspension. I'm already flunking all my classes. I'm gonna get zeros and everything. My dad's gonna make me even redder than i am. This guy he didn't he didn't see one of the few times in my life. I have just played it and it worked. I think i said what's up. It's like if you didn't have a whole. You wouldn't have said that but it was the alcohol and then that started my drinking. I i like me on those say hello to people they don't ask left and you worked texas excuse me texas texas. Hello was that. When i i did a i did a run and dates out there. I mentioned it about an hour ago before the house much time has no meaning for mike at. There's no no exists that doesn't exist. Are you a sifi guy. No no. I'm not really into unless it's like blade runner that went on fourth now that was with harrison ford. That's the first one. I seventy right early eighties but the ryan gossip wants to shit to have am in check in this. You know you need to get pena. Said it's going to be that's going to be better than any movie. You're gonna watch is what i'm what i'm gathering from this this I to believe that you correct. It's going to be some really movie shit on a few minutes but okay so a beautiful baby. Just be for the love. I'm in a bunch of mother. Father where they come from man are you man. We descend from mid west all of them when they move up to boston. Vietnam war willie. Yeah my dad was in the navy and he got transferred he thought he was going to vietnam but he was really good at what he did so he worked at a head neck team that worked on wounded vets from vietnam and got stationed at a place. That doesn't exist anymore by family. No no. I met him but he doesn't talk much about that Yeah but that number. Yeah that's how it was back down so it was chelsea naval hospital where he got stationed. So that's what brought them from the midwest to massachusetts which was ridiculous. How it worked out for me. Because then i ended up growing up in what i think some of the funniest fucking people in the world in massachusetts everybody is just just new england in general right gallery down to like new york and everything. I don't know what it is. But this i think is world jam packed together and we didn't have the ability to have conversations like this so everybody just reacted and it was just hilarious. So the vietnam war brought my family tree to massachusetts. And then all of these guys lenny. Clark tony v all of these guys. Sweeney gavin on all. These guys created this standup scene and Through all their hard work. I ended up just being at the right place. You know what. I mean it would be like it would be like I would say if you wanted to be a rapper and you were lucky enough to grow up in new york when that was the place. Not i don't know shit about hip. Hop i dunno seems like it's atlanta and bounces around but if you were there at the right time and you just sorta get absorbed into that scene was my life is really just spent a series of ridiculously lucky things happening but you had to be prepared for those that luck those moments. I'll put those told this. You know that i mean i don't know dude. You know the harder you work the look here you go. That's always told not to the harder you work. The luckier you get. People did a lot of work to create the scene. Before i even knew even wanted to do it so yeah i definitely think that would be called to the scene dough. All this is you. Don't think you navigate yourself here do you. You don't think no. I fell into You fell into it just yeah. You're my sorta. Tom fell into it. You fell into the us of to create the the fall into this. I don't know what you're saying. I'm saying that. Like i through dumb luck because of a fucking war that ripped this country apart. A plus side was that my family moved to massachusetts and when i decided to become a comedian i got to be in one of the greatest comedy scenes ever the boston comedy scene and seeing these guys kevin knox rest his soul and all these amazing is screaming. And then also what i love about. Boston was what they considered in. Okay set. i found a lot of other scenes that that was considered killing. And i remember when. I when i when i was bouncing around doing the road guys would say i was killing. I was thinking like that's not killing. Kevin knocks it. Nick's comedy stop. That's when that guy was on stage. It sounded like there was a jet landing. When do you killing. When did that come about that. I actually kill the field that you felt that you like eight years in. Yeah eight years in. It took me eight years to be moving around for no reason why he never quit that classic standup thing where they say if you really going to be. A comedian is the thought of quitting. Never enters your mind. Because that's what a normal person would do if you go on stage in front of a bunch of people in your balls. It's the most. It's fucking humiliating. As we think about that in life was quinton not even thought of. Yeah something. I don't like about commenters on boxing videos. I hate when there's a great fighter that for some reason like i think a lot of time when someone's shit talk and great fighter. People don't like the person and they want him to fail because it does something to them that they're thinking like 'cause secretly they wanna be that confident anyone and then they wait till the end of the fucking fighters career you know when they when they lose and you see him. I love this. This fucking asshole. He's such a piece of shit. I can watch this fight all day and it's just like dude you're talking about yourself. You're not talking about this person that had the balls to get in there and dealing with the fact that every year a year older and and so much of that is is you know with sports is some people live their lives like leap. Do people yes. Sometimes we shouldn't take it personally. How they thought they lived their life for life. Focused and stuff you know We have to be grateful. You have to be grateful. Jeremy myself that we can make people that we can cause people to feel that way. Yeah i learned probably about ten twelve years ago. I just stopped giving a shit. What people if they came up and they didn't like me and they would you know they come up with these head to let you know you know the person who just has to fuck and let it can't just be like i didn't enjoy it. I'm not going to see you know. I need to go up to this guy to be selling my fucking cds and bullshit. The end of the show people would just come up to me not buy anything. They just stay stood in line to tell me how much they didn't fuck and enjoy me. And i always just after a while. I started seeing the humor in it. And i would just i would. I would agree with them. I go. I just would just start fucking with them. I do remember one time. I a few times. I have felt bad. I always always in ireland. I did this. Show one time and i was talking about that haircut. Your wife gets at a certain point where she's sick dealing with their hair and she gets. She gets that short haircut. And i go in the next time you banging doggy style. You feel like you're fucking your friend eric. So that was. That was the joke right. I thought it was a harmless joke. So at the end of the show. I'm standing there. Glad in and do what i have to do because i love doing stand up in ireland. I'm trying to build a following soap. Doing the meet and greet and shit whatever and i look up and this woman irish chicken. She's got the short haircut. She just looks at me she just goes on. Was this the haircut you're talking about. I didn't know what to say. Oh i hate that. I didn't say like that is exactly the fucking haircut i was talking about. I just felt bad. Because i can tell. I hurt her feelings. Because as much as i'm a dick. I don't want people to feel that way. I want you to laugh at yourself. If i'm doing that. I would like you to give me a fucking get an orange beard and a bald head. I mean you let me get under your skin will make you feel that you have to be a comedian. I just. It's how i connected with people. I make people laugh know. Who did you see. Oh you believe had to be a comedian. Oh prior really. I remember buying my first prior album. I had no idea who he was. He just looked funny. Man i live with a blue mind. Yeah and what. I loved about him on families by this. Yeah so what i loved about him was his bits will like movies and he could do all the characters and like all of his classic bits. I have a vivid picture of what the person looks like the crap game. The girl with the big ask on. Kiss my ass motherfucker. I know what she looks like how she's dressed in all of that and what the club look like. They goddamn hank what. The door guy looks like the way he did. It and i've always loved any performer. That can bring me into a world that i've never seen in in sort. Make me See it why. I liked biggie. When patrice got that. First biggie smalls album and i love because i felt like i was watching a movie when i was listening to it and so i think that yeah so get back to it that was why prior was of the guy and then i bought the eddie murphy one. The one we had the rows behind his ear and i literally bought that. 'cause i was like well. This is another black guy. That black guy was forty. T must be funny to like literally. That's what i thought. And i just bought that one and then i then i think i got a george carlin toledo window box and i was like. Who's this guy in. His style was completely different from those guys. Would the confidence believe you can do this. I be honestly it was just something. I knew i could do everything else i had tried at that point i could be. I can only be good at it. And i would always be watching other people really just trying to do what they did. In comedy was the only thing that i as much as i learned from people. I kind of knew that. In this weird way i kind of knew already knew what i was doing in a way. I knew that there was a when you bomb the head not successful knife the when i still had a day job and there would be like eight days between shows and if on the last one you bombed that fucking set would just be going in a loop in my head when i was at work and i remember one time. I'll goddamn so fucking bad was hosting a show which is the worst. Because if you if you just doing a spot you bomb and it's over but if you hosting you gotta keep going back up and bomb and they already have lost faith in you. Fuck this again right. It was just one of these shows where it just wasn't a good shell. Nobody really got him. And i walked out into. The parking lot was trying to run. Because i didn't want to hear anybody talking about the show. And i got out to the parking lot creek and there was a couple. May we're talking about the show. And i knew i should have listened and i just heard the woman go. Is it usually like that guys like now. He's usually funny. They usually have good shows and he goes man that red-headed kids sucked the show for like a week. And i'm at work and just had that playing on a loop man that read it get sucked man that read it. It could suck suck at work. And i didn't tell anybody that i was doing stand up because i didn't want them. Let anybody. i know my closest friends. I didn't tell anybody that i was doing it. Doesn't that inspire you like two years. Because i didn't want them was so much pressure to just do it in front of people i didn't know i couldn't imagine somebody i know in the fucking crowd and one time somebody from work. I finally told he came out to the show. Of course they sat the fucking dude right in the front row. And i fucking ate it and the whole weekend i had to think about. I'm going to see that guy on monday. And what's he gonna say. And when i saw him. I realized his weekend on the from mushroom his his his weekend was worse than mine because he had to sit there. Fuck am i going to say. And he came walking. I said hey sorry about that. I didn't look to me. Because i just didn't seem like you went into it. You didn't seem like he wanted to be able to walk by me. And it was weird for like three days. We'd be talking about games and shit and you could see it in. We're both thinking about how i bombed inspire you to work harder and come back and crush to end the endless loop made me want to quit the job so you have to keep fucking looking at the. I knew enough at that point and it was just like man. He just came on the wrong night because there was enough. Good shit happening to keep you coming back. Yeah so thank god this during this whole you don't wanna show no feeling you don't wanna show him involved. I feel like i bombed out. You control your fill. You don't wanna show anything. What do you want me to stop. Break down crying. But yeah you missed the ice cole over there i just think we're on a different wavelength right now. We're still five. And if i took those mushrooms right now would i be like cry possibly. Yeah you haven't been challenged to fight. Tell me about that. walked away okay. I fought until junior high and everybody hit puberty. And i didn't and then that's when i got funny because that's when like teeth started getting knocked out people got all bloody and shit and it was just like my thing. The bar fights. If you're the guy that goes down to the ground when all of that shit was going down. I was just like no. I avoided that shit i had other people that are hung out with that. Did that shit and i was going to be honest. I was envious of the team. Black and white girls. There is no difference until you walk down the street. Why that because the people are racist. If you walk down the street with a white girl they don't even see you. You walk down to the black girl. People see why people act like they're cool with black people. A little more uninhibited. I remember new york. They would just be like they would really start yelling at my my girl. Just go like oh come on. Man really wasn't even there other than that when you in the fucking house. It's the same fights you don't take anyway it's a woman and you're got bill and yeah and yeah. I really learned like what the bullshit of racism would. It is and how beautiful my kids are. My kids are fucking beautiful. And and like i feel like i have the answer to all of this racist bullshit out there and all you have to do is look at my kids and then look at the royal family who've all been fucking in the same pond of white people in our fucked up. They all look was supposed to be all banging each other and everybody people people and we're all god's children need to be looked at with compassion. I think you got a little mushroom. Ten john mushrooms. I mean the fact that you're looking at the royal family go. Well you know people are people and yeah sometimes you got to oppress another country so you get all the gold what people do or we do a small mana hair. You think that you do. The same shit is a real family. I don't even know what the fuck they do. You know what they tell them with. That's part of my shit talking about one. Follow up question and it all falls to the ground. I don't know anything about trying to joke. And then you've got all philosophical. And i didn't know what to do with i think life is like even to To the smallest family life is like The royal family. Everybody had the court their friends. Everybody just tablet power and that friendship that should tell the world function you know. Is it somewhat some kind of law. Some kind of order subconscious order like right now this subconscious. You think a white woman have made that red headed prince. Leave the royal family. Excuse me do they get that ready to do with the white girl. Is he still in the royal family. Human deal with me believe right. Whatever his body told him love was he would have been in a situation. He is now. This black girl does not the first time the black bloods men in their family. You know these guys conquered conquered the world very in their family tree. We pay you think this great nation the first black bloodline dibs and black queens and royal family in england. Yeah i didn't need to know that. I told you i didn't know anything about it. I was making a joke and she also claims that the intensity of the press she had anticipated that was variable within it. all which. I don't know how you would know going into the royals. I don't know shit about okay. This became all of a sudden. Meet the press mike. What do you think about youtubers coming in fighting. I think that's great for boxing. I think it brings a different and broadens the writings of other boxing fans. That will never be boxing. Fans before expands the reach. But you have no problem with someone who has no background in boxing. Fighting professional this He's been fighting so he had the background boxing. It we've been doing it for one. He back on five months as a background of it. you know. he's this is what he wants to do he has. We'll fight have determination willpower. And i mean and grit and that's what he wants. And i don't care who you rich poor. That's what you need to succeed in this. Been this that's the death to sell. He's a blonde here. Blonde blonde hair blue eyed white kid. And we're going to kill him and he sells he fell vons be able to be from blond-haired blue-eyed motherfucking even even white people. Who crush facing isn't that something so special to have the people doing that. Death fucking band. Little specially the have that the so many people want to kick it he he could for can make a fortune out of it and he's smart through a gift. You know the fucking gift. The so lucky have they give to give from olympic kick. Your ad isn't that had faith. How much when you would promote a fight like could you sell in the fight. It's a business. You want people to watch foolishly so with you. Though you had the the like. Every fight was just amazing. So you had that but like when you were hyping a fight like how much of that is real and how much of that. All real to that to the fe. Then it's then it's all like oh made anybody ever say something about you before a fight that even though you sitting there as a professional guankay this guy's selling this fight but he crossed the line and i can't let that go no. I was always causing the line. I'm in one time larry. Holmes put his hand on shake hands. You know that kind of guy was really dark right because insecure. He didn't shake your hand. After i wouldn't shake his am fighters going on when sheikh dan but like afterwards. It was fine to fine but during that process of of making the flight do no no motion friendship now. What about the press conference with lennox lewis was heavy. I'm a heavy do sometimes intense past few passionate do. What are you thinking. You never thought like as you're walking down to the ring. Like what the fuck. How i don i end up doing this on believe though i'm working on a rambling i'm born to do this. I'm the pervert has a different purpose fighting with created because of me. That's amazing. I would be thinking like i don't want to do this. Not gonna save for the biggest night like sixty thousand something coming to see that the is like what you guys do. They do that a lot with comedians. It'd be like you know before specially trained like a fighter like no we didn't you didn't like these guys can get you can get seriously fucking indic- or like the worst is going to happen to me is i'll have flop sweat dry mouth and some will say that redhead kitsap. I mean that was the worst that can happen. But when you're like walking into like a gladiator into a ring. Like i miss keep it real right from the desire of somebody wanting to be something special community and feeling the quit being not cold. A real comedian. Now i actually get what you're saying you relate everything. Would emotions yeah. I don't know i don't blow swim. I wanna watch like ufc. And they'll be a guy on the ground and the guys the other guys just drop elbows one elbow. I'm like yeah. I'm tapping this guy's just taken elbows and you'll see the guy look over at the clock. Igla alright thirty more seconds of this. And then i gotta go sit on that fucking store. They're going to take that cold thing or whatever and then. I have to continue doing this. The fact that they can human being is tough enough to do that. Like whenever i watch those abc's or i watch one of my favorite fights. Charlie murphy great. Charlie murphy told me about this. That corrales steel fair. Or how many times corrales went down. He's spitting out the mouthpiece trying to give himself some time. I remember went into to the corner in his corner mangoes. You better fucking get inside now. I don't even know what that means. And then went out and fucking knocked. The other guy out Charlie told me said. He woke up his whole family watching that they were all asleep. Flooded scream it was like it was like a rock. Come from a fighting family though. Charlie was no joke from the slain family. Yeah yeah he was the best another. He's another one. I i got a pizza. The other day and the woman behind the counter had a sweatshirt on the assholes live forever. And i was just like i hate to tell you this because you're young. That is the truest fucking thing. I've read in a long time. Because i so many great guys. And they're just gone and fucking assholes can be will gang killing believable and that people don't think they're assholes and that's another alleged takes onto self. I would argue that that actually makes. That's what makes you an asshole visit if somebody's an asshole and they know they're an asshole eventually the apologies common but when they don't not even aware that they're an asshole. Those are the people that i see. That just seemed to fucking you know you could invent with an eighteen wheeler. There's some are going to crawl out of it. I had an air bag. I used to be that way but my own people affect me as much as i used to now realize that they do they only. You did the work. Well absolutely the mental work. I gotta work on that. I guess he'll love de toilette. That's gonna be only me. Forgive yourself s. y. S. life lifting. You can forgive yourself surrender. Yeah that beating yourself up. Hey when can i do this. Podcast again can do. This is a twenty four hour podcast. So should we wrap this up. Mike if you want to keep them away i'm trying to think of a world where my life you take the kids back east to be with the family. I'm gonna hang. I'm gonna do podcast and i'm gonna take some troops you really nations then wife you really need. She just went back east and that scenario she didn't leave him. Who co right now. He's going back east. I want another Linen that one live another one night. They meet acadian do that. Oh you live out here permanently. Las vegas vegas cold in new way now. Yeah we're sherline vega for night here to have this winter make you feel you feel like you're really cool. You're talking and kitchen. And i'm sorry now you're talking comedian your and people listen and the pressures on. I'm going to palm beach improv. And and that's gonna really. Yeah palm beach. Improv excited nice. I'm very excited yemen. And it was interesting. Because we're talking about assholes. And i played an asshole for years and one of the best ways to play a guy that you're talking about. Is there certain guys the way the play them is thinking that no one is the devil in their own story. So you can't judge whether you know this playing guys you can't judge your kid marks spirits and acting. I'm nude active. So yeah i'm listening to this is riveting. Well don't you can't judge your characters. You don't the same ideology as that character. You can't judge it you embrace it you give them as much integrity as you possibly can. Because no one of the devil in their own story and then who. Who's the hardis guy you ever had to put like. You're looking at the script and you're like how play this guy i recently was working on on this role. I was gonna play in his rayleigh dude. Who's a kind of a gangster. And i remember right. I went to the the dialect coach. And i said i really need to work on this. And she said well. Why don't you audition by sending me. You know you doing these really accent. So i ended up doing. It's a beautiful accent. It's an incredible and that was three. You throw yourself into it and it's beautiful. I gotta learn how to do that because everybody gives me shit when they watch the star wars thing. I never heard of boston accent in outer space and that i always wanted to say well. What about english. Don't you think it's fucking weird that you're in a galaxy far far away and everybody's speaking english that wouldn't blow your mind if you went to another planet in so just say. Hey mike. what's up. Not mike with the youth. Understand yeah you understand what they're talking about yet you blockers. Speaking bigfoot in han solo speaking english they never switch languages and they totally understand each other. They had the bust your balls. They felt like they had to. My buddy said the forty he goes. Oh that's that's where it lost you the reality of it so but i can't take those guys enough. It was john farrow's idea he was just he goes i. I think it's going to work. And i was like all right okay. Do i remember the first day i got there. All these people. I was working. I was working with the this crazy makeup looking like aliens and shit and i just remember thinking like how am i going to get into the reality of this. This is fucking nuts but the was so good after the. I take my god. I'm getting killed in this guy. And then after that you kinda forgot that they were wearing costumes and inbetween takes you talking about global warming and shit fuck income space stuffing just forgot. It was truly one of the great experiences. I've had in this business getting to do something like that. And and then the fact that like people watched in really liked it. It was as much as last year was tough. It like people saying that they liked it was it was definitely a high point. Lead matting was that you want to do some acting. Now yeah like. I wanna do This is the weirdest thing. I want to learn to speak french. And i want to be a french gangster movie and should do it. Well yeah. I gotta learn how to speak french. I if you want to you will I got the guy for you. Vincent could sell sell us know. He's probably might be the best actor over in france. Plays a lot of gangsters really well actually washing. Whatever you want is right there. You guys got the connection. Do you guys get along so could write anything you want to do. You're going to see a movie called irreversible. Yeah it's heavy heavy heavy heavy. I've been watching that show. Call my agent. It's a french. Yeah thing and it's like it's just around the office so it's really like sort of common language so what i have the subtitles in french and i just keep hitting pause trying to figure out what they're saying. The comedy doesn't work because it goes by too quick but a wife. He love re. Yeah there's people who won't do that like i just want to watch a movie. I don't want to sit here. Reading might thing is. I'm really bad at reading. So i always goes by by reading subtitles. I get anxiety. When i go to the movies and there was like subtitles like it would take me back to being in high school and just flunking. Everything and the ship would always go by too quick. And i'd have to ask my wife. What did they shut up. Because my wife could read really fast. But it's cool seeing that people in other cultures like that and and being able to immerse yourself in that. yeah. I've been watching the criteria channels. Fucking amazing fucking amazing. I think what's going to happen is we're going to continue talking. We're going to look up and everyone's going to be gone. You get that feeling audience already with home all right. Well this has been cool man. This has been amazing race. Cuban cigars how fucking yeah man. I have a whole new perspective on mushrooms like go way. I'm not being astle thing you are but you are truly welcome back anytime Hey when does this come out. So my wife doesn't think i just went too far enough. Filming anything documented. Didn't do a fucking podcast with your friends. This podcast just hanging out these. These aren't even on okay. I said no to mushrooms. Fifteen times. I was working documented. I was working On going to i. It's it's an honor to meet you. Thank you so much for all the stuff that i've watched for decades the stuff that you've done. I still watch all your stuff. Follow you on instagram. And all your in watching you evolve. It has been amazing. Jeremy you all right bye thank you. You see that red lobster. I love thanksgiving meal.

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