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Hostage Bites: Psychological Manipulation

Hostage

27:54 min | 1 year ago

Hostage Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Welcome to podcast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world every week. In addition to your normal hostage episode were exploring the most fascinating fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas. Here's like motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world really is. You can find the original episodes of these for for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description today. We're discussing cussing cases of psychological manipulation. What tactics criminals used to deceive coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist. Harvey Saint Saint Clair defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that be taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving moving force behind the criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics ticks manipulators use to dominate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim to gain sympathy and undermining victims perception of reality through gasoline. So who do manipulators target. How do they select the right person to fall prey to the scheme Dr? Harriet breaker identified identified. The most common traits victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please low self reliance I desire to earn acceptance the blurry sense of identity and fear of disapproval in our clips today walk through a variety of crimen leaders and see how they identify these traits rates victims. We'll start with a clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer and cult leader Charles Manson radicalized its followers and cultivated an intense devotion that propelled the family eight to do his bidding. While the most famous killings committed by the Manson family were the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine their first first victim was drug dealer Gary Hinman Hindrance murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer up sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil Oh Soleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed but the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles else figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family. Member Eligible Bailey. So so he suggested she go along to help persuade Henman but ella jo asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent and she later said that she witnessed the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring to Henman's apartment instead Charleston. Family members Bruce Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held a drug dealer up at gunpoint. While the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman and told them he'd go to. The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to we do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology. Please note that. I am not unlicensed psychiatrists or psychologists but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism People can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable. Licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access vest to outside information and instilling an US versus them mentality. Charles Manson uses seem tactics family members. I looked at Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their your trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand in the dying man's blood to draw on the wall. He wrote political piggy. You and then painted a pawprint Charles had instructed bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death breath would heightened racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter then. The group left taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson family Gary Henman's murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and other innocent people all in a bid to kick-start Manson's prophesied race wars wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was in opposition to many other criminals of the Hippie era instead they capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace. And love in this next clip. From cults we examine. What are the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventies? The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like Enlightenment and free love to buy his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom and exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency agency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's crowing ego in Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst psychoanalyst Daniel Shaw points out in his book traumatic Narcissism Relational Systems of subjugation as a cult leader. Baker had developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have as God like figures to literally give life and sustain the lives of their children. Children leaves each human being with the memory of total dependency comp leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized to believe that the life depends on pleasing the cult leader and quote an in just as much as the source. Family members needed Baker. He apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead ed he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. Affection in March of Nineteen seventy-three. The fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second home for his followers which they called the Father House. It's a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead into deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother. House business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. AM Meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment meant but in other ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs constantly with an ever-expanding emphasis on his own power. Our he began calling himself by the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers followers. The pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Bakker's total control over. His followers only increased over the next x two years. Eventually their numbers surged to over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles forced the cult of Fleet Hawaii I baker or father yoed met his end in a fatal hang gliding accident in one thousand nine hundred ninety five for some. It was a death as Gloria says Baker's life but for others. It was shocking wakeup call. They realized that for years Baker had manipulated them believing he was is guiding them to total enlightenment and intern. His followers had blindly obeyed his every whim but what happens when a criminal delude themselves selves. into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest of their victim coming up. We discussed the horrifying kidnapping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of self manipulation from the violence and separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming codependent dynamic of the source family. Criminals have relied lied on a variety of tactics to exert control over their victims. But perhaps the most fascinating methods of manipulation is one the criminal uses on themselves. Dell's denial and self delusion in our next clip from our show hostage. We cover one of the most twisted cases of self delusion the abduction of Katie Beers kidnapped in nineteen ninety-two nine year old. Katie was kept in an underground bunker chain to the wall where she suffered separate sexual abuse at the hands of her neighbor. John Esposito or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker Esposito committed his is crimes out of the belief that he was helping his victim. Katie came from an abusive home so esposito convinced himself. That showering her with gifts. Defection would make Katie happy and feel loved the Nesper Zito's mind. He had rescued Katie from her neglectful family. And it was giving her the care and attention unsheath deserved but in reality he had trapped her in a literal hell on earth. Sometimes big John would come into the bunker and to give Katie food or a toy and then suddenly the blank look would appear on his face and he would rape her one clue about big. John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took more than twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and and even then he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence since he was seriously harming Katie. Which could lead to denial a psychological coping mechanism on the other hand when John Esposito did finally confess? He blamed his lawyers for telling him not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation that fall somewhere between extreme denial and willful awful cruelty Catherine Ramsland. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds of sexual predators. Says one of the most common types of child. Predators is the quote fixated child offender fixated child offenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development element and rationalize away. They're abusive children as showing affection. They may know their actions are wrong but their fixation on children overrides hides their moral sensibilities so John might have known he was hurting Katie. But because he was fixated and felt unable to stop he tried to convince awesome self he was actually helping her big John's grand gestures like the promise of a car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth birthday seemed like like further rationalizations of this abuse. He was able to convince himself that kidnapping and sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim victim. Big John had molested children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as a helpful male role model in their lives among John. ESPOSITO Zito's victims Katie's sixteen year old maternal half brother John Beers hostage victim. Katie beers survived for seventeen days. Inchon Esposito's bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving him for kidnapping her she used a variety of tactics to convince Esposito to let her go. She pleaded with him if he really loved here. He let her leave. Grow up go to college and have a family eventually. ESPOSITO turned himself into the police though. It's unclear if he was motivated. Audited by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led the police to the hidden bunker. Freeing Katie Jonah's honest. zito demonstrated how criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control. But how do they gain a potential victims trust in the first place in our next clip from serial killers. We'll examine the tactics of lust murderer Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover. Harman killed at least twenty four men from nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty four. All between the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims comes in he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young men he murdered. Runaways this made them especially vulnerable all to harmon strategic kindness. He brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food and drink that once. They're guard was completely down on. He savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time new confidence suffused Harman's bloodlust. So when he met seventeen year old Wilhelm Shilpa that Hanover Station in nineteen twenty three four weeks after killing Fritz Frank thinker. He couldn't help but approach the boy by now. Harmon had a practice routine for finding suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise is a police officer. Searching for vulnerable. Boys shoots was a young writer who had just run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman. Harmon had impersonated a police officer and pretended to lend a sympathetic ear to the boys troubles. He offered shelter place to stay into warm meal. She'll she'll say eagerly accepted the offers and followed Harmon to his apartment. The room was small but spotless. After nearly getting caught for the murder of frank just weeks prior harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact he had been scrubbing the place with harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to to the landlord a widow named Elizabeth Angle but harmon had long ago explained angle that he was very particular about his cleaning habits and she saw no the reason to bother a tenant for keeping room tidy besides Harmon was charming angle liked him. His charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte Tsa into his bed given his pleasant friendly manner Harmon was always able to get close to his victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations. Sounds harmonised specially like to ask victims about their families. This line of questioning seemed reasonable. Coming from a police officer but Harman's true goal was anything thing but noble. He needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy. According to Harman he didn't always feel of violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment apartment. In some cases harmon kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped boys but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte his answers made harmon confident that no one would question this show his disappearance harmon pounced. He grabbed shelter by the throat and held him down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack. Sunk his his teeth into Schultz's Adam's apple this episode of serial killers killers further details Fritz Harman's six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during that time the police couldn't help but notice the sharp spike in the number burrup missing boys at teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones from his victims started popping up around town in rivers and fields fields when harmon was arrested. Police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them. He sold off their possessions for extra cash. Rush at the end his thriftiness. What's his downfall? Every part of Fritz Harman's interaction with victim served a purpose from where he hunted did to how we approach them to be killed them. He was entirely calculated in his manipulations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate. Rather their manipulations are encouraged by their own dilutions. Our final clip from female criminals covers convicted murderer. Diane Downs Diane grew up in a strict religious household feeling unloved. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life live. She finally thought she found the one in Lewiston. Maine carried on a series of fair for the better part of nineteen eighty. Two but Louis was concerned by some Diane's behavior. She needed his constant attention affection. She also lied about everything. Spinning whatever stories necessary very to keep him close to her. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to wife. Diane was devastated so in May of Nineteen eighty-three. She devised a plan to win back. If she made herself a victim he would have to come back to her. Just save her sadly she involved her three young children in the plot making them victims as well one night. Diane took the kids out for a drive then she she staged of violent carjacking on the night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. -tective Doug Welsh Interview Diane at McKenzie Willamette Hospital Welsh was the responding officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane Diane told Welsh that she and her children had gone to visit her friend and Mark Cola a nearby town in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer the route that was more scenic even though it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children down old Mohawk road a deserted country road near the Mohawk Doc River. A shaggy-haired man flagged her down making her stop the car. Diane got out to ask what he wanted and he demanded she gives him her keys his when she refused the man snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended the throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank to divert the gunman's attention they struggled for a moment and he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away to the hospital. Parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing when it's pitch blackout. And why are the kids fatally or near ear fatally wounded and she being right handed is shot in the left arm. I mean think about it. She's the biggest threat to him. Not Three sleeping children and quote. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. She told Welsh. The man was bushy-haired then said that he wore wore a ski mask. I she said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent consistent with pathological lying the common symptom in those diagnosed with Histrionic personality disorder. Like Diam. The Nest is going to take over on the psychology here here and throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist. But she has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy according to Dr Mark. D Griffiths patients with HP will often lie as a way to enhance or facilitate their dramatic attention seeking behavior in this case ace with the dozens of police and doctors in the hospital focused on her. Diana adjusted her story to appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took Diane statement. Doctors fought to save the three downs children as we further outlined in the female criminals episodes detailing dying down story. She had a long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high stakes now with our children's lives on the line. Diane constructed an elaborate carjacking story to explain their grave injuries however however her attempts to manipulate investigators and increasing desire for their attention exposed her increasingly convoluted delusions ultimately timidly one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in the hospital recovering. Her three-year-old son was paralyzed from the waist. Down her oldest daughter Christie initially lost the ability to speak but when she recovered it was her testimony. At Diane's trial trial that center mother to prison for life while the criminals in our clips today utilize different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain control over their victims. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tact accept play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Lee Center ex-boyfriend John Zito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers. Affection even deceiving himself into believing he was saving her. We also saw that. These manipulators chose their victims very carefully paying attention to those who are most vulnerable as laid out by Dr Breaker John. ESPOSITO's ESPOSITO's dictum was not only a child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults for many Fritz. Harman's victims were runaways. Vulnerable to any small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim. Baker offered identity and acceptance to his followers who looked Baker for guidance. Sunday night meant in in the end. They all achieved their goal of complete domination. Thanks for tuning into podcast. Crime Bites we hope you enjoyed this episode on the tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week with a new episode on Mother's misbehaving. We often think of mothers as the consummate nurturers. Why do they sometimes hurt the ones they love most? I even their own children. If you'd like to listen to the episodes that we discussed today in full simply search for our podcast. Original shows. 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Crimes of Passion Bites: Psychological Manipulation

Crimes of Passion

28:17 min | 1 year ago

Crimes of Passion Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Hi It's Laney. I have some exciting news for you. Crimes of passion is now airing episodes twice a week. Every Friday you'll hear crimes of passion Shen Prime Bites. Were you'll get a brief episode on a true crime theme that's related to the stories on this show it's hosted by my good friend Greg and it's a fantastic listening the experience. I hope you enjoy it. Welcome welcome to podcast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world every week. In addition to your normal crimes of passion episode were exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from from some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas like motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime. Prime World really is. You can find the original episodes of these for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used. We'll be posted in the episode description today. We're discussing cases of psychological manipulation. What tactics criminals use to deceive of course and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses is aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage wjr cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving force behind criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over for their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics manipulators use to dominate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim victim to gain sympathy and undermining victims perception of reality through gas lighting. So who manipulators target. How do they select the right white person to fall PREY TO THE SCHEME DR? Harriet breaker identified. The most common traits victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please low self reliance desire to earn acceptance of blurry sense of identity and a fear of disapproval in our clips. Today we'll walk through a variety of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with the a clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer and cope leader Charles Manson radicalized its follow worse worse and cultivated an intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding. While the most famous killings committed by the Manson family where the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine their first victim was drug dealer Gary Hinman Hindrance murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles House learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased at thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs six were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund. The families families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly clearly attracted to Manson family member. Eligible Bailey. So he suggested she go along to help persuade men but L. A.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent she later said she witnessed the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring Henman's Henman apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held the drug dealer. Taylor up at gunpoint while the spurn bobby. Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment mint. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brunner and Susan Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money. Any while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman told them he'd go to. The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before four. Continue with Bobby Psychology. cleese note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism. That people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable. Licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise above all Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them mentality. Charles Manson uses same tactics family members. Look to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance some even thought he was the reincarnation carnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word word bobby readily obeyed. He stabbed Henman than dipped his hand in the dying. Man's blood to draw on the wall. He wrote political piggy and then painted a pawprint. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter. Then the group black taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering bring the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people people all in a bid to kick start. Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals medals of the Hippie era instead. They capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace and love in this next clip from colts. We examine Zaman one of the most iconic psychedelic colts. One thousand nine hundred seventy s the source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like Enlightenment and free love to buy his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. I was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Daniel Shaw points out in his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems of subjugation education as a cult leader Baker had developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have has god. I'd like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human being with the memory of total dependency comp leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized to believe that the lyft fifty pens unpleasing the cult leader and quote and just as much as the source family members needed Baker. He apparently needed them. According waiting to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. In March of Nineteen seventy-three the fifty one year old Baker managed to find the second home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home in the hills near the source restaurant. It was significantly -nificant smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother other house. Business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen family members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. Am am meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but another ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs constantly constantly with an ever expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself by the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers the pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Jim Bakker's total control over. His followers only increased over the next two years. Eventually their numbers surged to over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles forced the cult of Fleet Hawaii Baker or father yoed met his end in a fatal hang gliding accident in nineteen seventy five for some. It was death as glorious as Baker's life but for others. It was a shocking wakeup call. They realized is that for years. Baker had manipulated them but leaving he was guiding them to total enlightenment and intern. His followers had blindly obeyed his every every whim. But what happens when a criminal deludes themselves into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest up there victim coming up. We discussed the horrifying kidnapping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of self manipulation from the violence and separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming assuming codependent dynamic of source. Family criminals have relied on a variety of tactics to exert control over their victims. But perhaps the most fascinating dating method of manipulation is one the criminal uses on themselves denial and self delusion in our next clip from our show hostage we cover one of the most twisted cases of self delusion the abduction of Katie Beers kidnapped in nineteen ninety two nine year old Katie was kept in an underground bunker chain to the wall where she suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her neighbor. John Esposito or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker Esposito committed his crimes out of the belief that he was helping his victim. Katie came from an abusive home. So I'm convinced himself. That showering her with gifts and affection would make Katie happy and feel loved. BANESPA ZITO's mind. He had rescued. You'd Katie from her neglectful family and it was giving you the care and attention. She deserved but in reality he had trapped her in a literal hell on earth. Sometimes big John would come into the bunker and to give Katie food or toy and then suddenly the blank look look would appear on his face and he would rape her one clue about big. John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took took more than twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and even then he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence. He was seriously harming Katie which could lead to denial a psychological coping mechanism. Awesome on the other hand when John Pazuto did finally confess. He blamed his lawyers for telling him not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation explanation that falls somewhere between extreme denial and willful cruelty Catherine Ramsland. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds. Signs of sexual predators says one of the most common types of child. Predators is the quote fixated child offender fixated child. L. Defenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development and rationalize away. They're abusive children as showing affection. They may no their actions are wrong. But their fixation on children overrides their moral sensibilities so John might have known he was hurting Katie. But because he was fixated and felt unable to stop he tried to convince himself he was actually helping her big John's grand gestures like the promise of a car car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth birthday seemed like further rationalizations of this abuse. He was able to convince himself that kidnapping napping and sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim. John had molested children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as is a helpful male role model in their lives. Among John esposito's victims Katie's sixteen year old maternal half brother John Beers the hostage victim. Katie beers survived for seventeen days in John Esposito Dido's bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving him for kidnapping her. She used a variety of tactics to convince US Sposito to let her go. She pleaded with him if he really loved her. He'd let her leave. Grow up go to college and have a family eventually. ESPOSITO ESPOSITO turned himself into the police though it's unclear if he was motivated by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led ed the police to the hidden bunker freeing Katie John esposito demonstrated how criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control. All but how do they gain potential victims trust in the first place in our next clip from serial killers. We'll examine the tactics of lust murderer Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover harmon. killed at least twenty four men from nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty four all between between the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims in he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young met he murdered. Were runaways this made them especially vulnerable to harmon strategic kindness. He brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food food and drink then once they're guard was completely down he savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time new confidence. Fueled Harman's bloodlust. So when he met seventeen year old wilhelm she'll TSA at Hanover over station in one thousand nine hundred eighty three four weeks after killing Fritz Franken. He couldn't help but approach. The boy by now. Harmon had a practiced routine for finding finding suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise of a police officer. Searching for vulnerable boys shoots was a young writer who had just is to run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman Harman had impersonated. A police officer pretended to lend a sympathetic ear. To the boys troubles bulls. He offered shelter place to stay into warm meal. She'll say eagerly accepted the offers and followed Harmon to his apartment. The room was small but spotless. After nearly getting caught for the murder of Franca just weeks prior harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact he had been scrubbing the place with harsh harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to the landlord. A widow named Elizabeth Angle but harmon had long ago explained angle angle that he was very particular about cleaning habits and she saw no reason to bother attendant for keeping US room tidy. Besides harmon was charming angle. I liked him. His charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte into his bed given his pleasant friendly manner harmon was always able to get close. WHO's to his victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations harmon especially like to ask his victims about their families? This line of questioning seemed reasonable bill. Coming from a police officer but Harman's true goal was anything but noble. He needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy according to Harman he he didn't always feel a violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment. In some cases harmon kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped the boys but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte Ah. His answers made harmon confident that no one would question his disappearance Harmon pulsed. He grabbed shelter by the throat and held him down down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack sunk his teeth into shelters Adam's apple this episode of serial killers further details. Fritz Harman's six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during that time the police couldn't help but notice the sharp spike in the number of missing boys and teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones sounds from his victim started popping up around town in rivers and fields when harmon was arrested. Police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them. He sold off their possessions for extra cash at the end his thriftiness. What's his downfall every part of Fritz? It's Harman's interaction with his victim. Served a purpose from where he hunted to how we approach them to how he killed them. He was entirely calculated in his manipulations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate rather their manipulations are encouraged by their own delusions. Our final clip from female criminals covers convicted murderer diane downs. Diane grew up in a strict religious household. Feeling unloved loved. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life. She finally thought she found the one in Louison. They carried on a serious affair for the better part of nineteen eighty two. But Louis concerned by some of Diane's behavior. She needed his constant attention and affection. She also lied about everything spinning whatever stories necessary to keep him close to her. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to wife. Diane Ryan was devastated so in May of Nineteen eighty-three. She devised a plan to win. Lou Back if she made herself a victim he would have to compactor her to save her sadly she involved her three young children in the plot making them victims as well one night Diane took the kids out for Dr then. She staged a violent carjacking on on the night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. Doug Welsh interview Diana at McKenzie Willamette. Hospital Welsh was the responding officer officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane told Welsh that she and her children had gone to visit her friend and Mark Cola a nearby town town in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer route. That was more scenic even though it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children grin down old. Mohawk road deserted country road near the Mohawk River. shaggy-haired man flagged her down making her. Stop the Car Diane. Dan got out to ask what he wanted and he demanded. She gives him her keys when she refused. The man's snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended to throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank to divert the gunman's attention they struggled for a moment and he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away to the hospital. Parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing when it's pitch black out. And why are the kids fatally or near fatally wounded and she being right handed shot in the left arm. I mean think about it. She's the biggest threat to him. Not Three sleeping children and quipped. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. And she told Welsh. The man was bushy-haired then said that he wore a ski mask I. She said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two do then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent with pathological lying the common symptom in those diagnosed with histrionic personality disorder. SORTA like Diane. The ness is going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode. Please note Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist. But she has has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy according to Dr. Mark d griffiths patients with HP will often lie as a way to enhance or facilitate their dramatic and attention seeking behavior in this case with the dozens of police and doctors in the hospital focused on her. Diana justed her story. Sorry to appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took Diane statement. Doctors fought to save three downs children as we further outlined in the female criminals episodes detailing dying down story she. He had a long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high stakes now with their children's lives on the line. Diane constructed an elaborate carjacking story to explain their grave injuries however her attempts to manipulate investigators and her increasing desire for their attention exposed exposed her increasingly convoluted delusions. Ultimately one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in in the hospital recovering. Her three-year-old son was paralyzed from the waist. Down her oldest daughter Christie initially lost the ability to speak but when she recovered. It was her testimony at Diane's trial that center mother to prison for life while the criminals that are clips today utilize is different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain control over their victims. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tactics at play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Enter ex-boyfriend John zito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers affection and even to saving himself into believing he was saving her. We also saw that. These manipulators chose victims very carefully paying attention to those who are most vulnerable as laid out by Dr Breaker John. ESPOSITO's dictum was not only a child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults. It's many a Fritz Harman's victims runaways vulnerable to any small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim. Baker offered identity and acceptance to its scholars who look to Baker for guidance. Enlightenment in the end they all achieved their goal of complete domination. Thanks for tuning into podcast. Crime Bites we hope you enjoyed this episode episode on the tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week with a new episode on Mother's misbehaving. We often think of mothers as the consummate Smitten nurturers. Why did they sometimes hurt the ones they love most even their own children? If you'd like to listen to the episodes that we discussed today in full full simply search for our podcast original shows crimes of passion colts hostage serial killers or female criminals on spotify. Why not only to spotify already all your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network? 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Female Criminals Bites: Psychological Manipulation

Female Criminals

28:15 min | 1 year ago

Female Criminals Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Hi Vanessa and I have some exciting news for you every Friday. You'll hear crime bites where you'll get a brief episode on a true crime theme that's related needed to the stories on this show it's hosted by my friend Greg and it's a fantastic listening experience. I hope you enjoy it. Welcome to podcast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content and to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world every week in addition to your normal female criminals episode. We're exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals. To help us explore ideas like motivation tation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world really is. You can find the original episodes of these for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description. Today we're discussing cases uses of psychological manipulation. What tactics criminals use to deceive coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work and most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination? Psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair you're defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification edification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving force is behind the criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics manipulators hippie later use to dominate their victims such as intense flattery playing the victim to gain sympathy and undermining a victim's perception of reality through gas sliding so who manipulators target. How do they select the right person to fall prey to the scheme Dr? Harriet breaker identified the most common traits victims of relation possess among them are an eagerness to please low. Self reliance I desire to earn acceptance of blurry we sense of identity and a fear of disapproval in our clips. Today will walk through a variety of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen eighteen sixties murderer and cult leader Charles Manson radicalized its followers and cultivated an intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding fitting. While the most famous killings committed by the Manson family were the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine their first victim was drug dealer Gary Hinman Hindrance murder was the catalyst for a string. A brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty Jeanine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families 'cause an exchange Charleston over a few family members is to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family. Member Eligible Bailey so he suggested rested she go along to help persuade Henman but L. A.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family members. Arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring the Henman's apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis this Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held a drug dealer up at gunpoint while the spurn bobby. Beausoleil beat him senseless Eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied when he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brenner. And Susan Atkins begins held. Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him. When Henman told them he'd he'd go to? The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before. I continue with Bobby Psychology. Please note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism that people people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable. Licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside site information and instilling an US versus them mentality. Charles Manson uses seem tactics. Family members looked to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God. Odd Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand. In the dying man's blood to draw on the wall he wrote political piggy and and then painted a pawprint. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers. He hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter then. The group left taking head. Men's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people all in a bid to kick start. Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals of the Hippie era instead they capitalized on the prevailing link philosophy of peace and love in this next clip. From cults we examine. What are the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventies? The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like enlightenment and free love to bind his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering offering them love and wisdom in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Has Daniel Shaw points out in his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems subjugation as a cult leader Baker had developed a codependent relationship chip with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have has god like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human being. With the memory of total dependency cult leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers followers are encouraged to become regressed and infantilized to believe that life depends on pleasing the cult leader and quote and just as as much as the source family members needed Baker. He apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he e and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. In March of one thousand nine hundred seventy three the fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly sadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother house. Business at the source was still booming and it still required a a few dozen family members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. AM Meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but in other ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new believe constantly with an ever expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers the pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Bakker's total control over. His followers only increased over the next two years. Here's eventually they're number surged over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles forced the cult of Fleet Hawaii Baker or father yoed met his end in a fatal hang gliding accident in nineteen seventy five for some. It was a death as glorious as Baker's Chris Life but for others. It was shocking. WAKEUP call. They realized that for years Baker had manipulated them believing he was guiding them to total enlightenment and intern. His followers had blindly obeyed his every whim. But what happens when a criminal delude themselves. US into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest up there victim coming up. We discussed discussed the horrifying kidnapping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of self manipulation from the violence separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming codependent dynamic. The source family criminals have relied on a variety variety of tactics to exert control over their victims but perhaps the most fascinating method of manipulation is one the criminal uses on themselves. Denial and self delusion in our next clip from our show hostage we cover one of the most twisted cases of self-delusion. The abduction have Katie Beers kidnapped in nineteen ninety-two nine year old. Katie was kept in an underground bunker chain to the wall where she suffered sexual who abuse at the hands of her neighbor. John Zito or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker esposito committed his crimes out out of the belief that he was helping his victim. Katie came from an abusive home so Esposito convinced himself that showering her with gifts and affection in would make Katie happy and feel loved the Nesper. ZITO's mind he had rescued Katie from her neglectful family. And it was giving your the care and attention. She deserved served but in reality he had trapped her in a literal hell on earth. Sometimes big John on would come into the bunker and to give Katie food or a toy and then suddenly the blank look would appear on his face and he would rape her. One clue about big. John's John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took more than twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and even then and he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence. He was seriously harming Katie which could lead to denial a psychological coping mechanism on the other hand when John Zito did finally confess. He blamed aimed his lawyers for telling him not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation that falls somewhere between extreme denial and willful cruelty alty Catherine Ramsland. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds of sexual predators says one of the most common types of child. Predators editors is the quote fixated child offender fixated child offenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development and rationalize away their abuse of children as showing affection they may know their actions are wrong but their fixation on children overrides their moral moral sensibilities so John might have known he was hurting Katie but because he was fixated and felt unable to stop. He tried to convince himself if he was actually helping her big John's grand gestures like the promise of a car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth. Birthday seem like further rationalizations of this abuse. He was able to convince himself. The kidnapping and sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim. Big John had molested children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as a helpful male role model in their lives among John. Busy does victims. Atoms Katie's sixteen year old maternal half brother John Beers hostage victim. Katie beers survived for seventeen days in John Esposito's bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving forgiving him for kidnapping her. She used a variety of tactics to convince US Petito to let her go. She pleaded with him if he really loved her. He'd let interleave grow up. Go to college and have a family. Eventually esposito turned himself into the police though it's unclear if he was motivated by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led the police to the hidden bunker freeing Katie John. esposito eight Oh demonstrated. How criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control but how do they gain a potential victims trust in the first place? Aw In our next clip from serial killers will examine the tactics of lust murderer Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover Harmon. killed at least twenty four men from nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty four all between the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young men he murdered. Were runaways this made them especially vulnerable to Harmon unstrategic kindness. He brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food and drink then once they're guard was completely down he savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time. New Confidence fueled old Harman's bloodlust so when he met seventeen year old wilhelm shelter at Hanover Station in one thousand nine hundred eighty three four weeks after killing Fritz Franken. He couldn't help but approach the boy by now. Harmon had a practice routine for finding suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise of a police officer. Searching for vulnerable boys shoots was a young writer who had just run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman. Harmon had impersonated a police officer and pretended to lend a sympathetic ear. To the boys troubles. He offered shilpa place to stay into warm meal. She'll say eagerly eagerly accepted the offers and followed Harmon to his apartment. The room was small but spotless. After nearly getting caught for the murder of frank just weeks prior earlier harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact. He had been scrubbing the place with harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to the landlord. Lord a widow named Elizabeth Angle but harmon had long ago explained ankle that he was very particular about cleaning habits and she saw no reason to bother other attendant for keeping US room tidy. Besides harmon was charming angle liked him his charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte into into his bed given his pleasant friendly manner harmon was always able to get close to his victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations harmon especially like to ask US victims about their families. This line of questioning seemed reasonable. Coming from a police officer but Harman's true goal was anything but noble. Will he needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy. According to Harman he didn't always feel a violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment. In some cases harmon kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped the boys but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte his answers made harmon confident that no one would question his disappearance harmon pounced. He grabbed shelter by the throat and held him down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack. Sunk his teeth into Schultz's Adam's apple this episode of serial killers further details Fritz Harman's six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during that time the police couldn't help but notice a sharp spike in the number of missing in boys and teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones from his victims started popping up around town in rivers and fields. When Harman was arrested police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them? He sold off their possessions for extra cash in the end his thriftiness. What's his downfall every parted Fritz? Harman's interaction with this victim served a purpose from where he hunted to how we approach them to kill them. He was entirely calculated in his manipulations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate elaborate rather their manipulations are encouraged by their own. Delusions our final clip from female. Criminals covers convicted murderer. Diane Downs Diane grew up in a strict religious household feeling unloved. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life. She finally thought she found the one in Lieu. Louison may carried on serious affair for the better part of nineteen eighty two. But Louis concerned earned by some Diane's behavior. She needed his constant attention at affection. She also lied about everything spinning whatever stories necessary to keep him close to her. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to US wife. Diane was devastated so in May of Nineteen eighty-three. She devised devised a plan to win. Lou Back if she made herself a victim he would have to come back to her to save her sadly she involved her three a young children in the plot making them victims as well. One Night Diane took the kids out for a drive then. She staged the violent carjacking on the night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. Doug Doug Welsh interview Diana at McKenzie Willamette Hospital. Welsh was the responding officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane told Welsh that she and her children had gone to visit her friend and Mark Cola a nearby town in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer route that was more scenic even though it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children down old Mohawk road a deserted country road near the Mohawk River. shaggy-haired man flagged her down making her stop the car. Diane got out to ask what he wanted and he demanded she gives him her keys when she refused the man snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended to throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank to divert the gunman's attention they struggled for a moment and he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away. The hospital parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing when it's pitch blackout. And why are the kids fatally or near fatally wounded and she being right handed is shot in the left arm. I mean think about it. She's the biggest threat to him not three sleeping children and end quote. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. She told Welsh the man was bushy-haired then said that he wore a ski. The Mask I. She said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent with pathological lying common symptom in those diagnosed with Histrionic personality disorder. Like Diane the nest is going to take over on the psychology here and throughout throughout the episode. Please note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy according to Dr Mark. Mark d griffiths patients with HP will often lie as a way to enhance her facilitate their dramatic attention seeking behavior in this case with the dozens of police and doctors in the hospital focused on her. Diana justed her story to appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took diane instatement. Doctors fought to save three downs children as we further outlined in the female criminals episodes detailing dying down story. She had a long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high high stakes now with children's lives on the line. Diane constructed an elaborate carjacking story to explain their grave injuries however her or attempts to manipulate investigators and her increasing desire for their attention exposed her increasingly convoluted delusions. Ultimately one one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in the hospital recovering. Her three-year-old son was paralyzed from the waist. He's down her oldest daughter. Christie initially lost the ability to speak but when she recovered it was her testimony at Diane's trial that center mother to prison for life while the criminals in our clips today utilize different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain in control over their victims. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tactics play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Enter ex-boyfriend John esposito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers. Affection even deceiving himself into believing he was saving her we. We also saw that. These manipulators chose their victims very carefully paying attention to those who are most vulnerable as laid out by. Dr Breaker John. esposito stick victim was not only a child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults for many of Fritz Harman's victims were runaways vulnerable to any small small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim. Baker offered identity and acceptance to his followers who looked to Baker for guidance and enlightenment in the end and they all achieved their goal of complete domination. Thanks for tuning into podcast crime bites. We hope you enjoyed this episode on the tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week. Equip the new episode on Mother's misbehaving. We often think of mothers as the consummate nurturers. Why did they sometimes hurt the ones they love most even their own children? If you'd like to listen to the episodes that we discussed today in full simply search for our podcast original shows crimes of Passion Colts hostage serial killers or female criminals on spotify. Not only to spotify already. have all your favorite music. But now spotify spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all your favorite podcast originals for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker and don't forget to follow us on facebook facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. I'll see you next time Hi podcast listeners Vanessa. If you love female criminals we'd love to hear from you by taking a quick survey your feedback will help us. Continue Making your favorite shows better than ever please visit podcast survey dot me slash female to answer few short questions. It may seem small but your input really matters. That's podcast survey dot m. e. slash slash. Female thank you for your continued support and for listening.

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Cults Bites: Psychological Manipulation

Cults

28:17 min | 1 year ago

Cults Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Hi Vanessa and I have some exciting news for you. Cults is now airing episodes twice a week every Friday. You'll hear cults crime bites where you'll get a brief episode on a true crime theme that's related to the stories on this show is hosted by my co host and good friend Greg and it's a fantastic listening experience. I hope you enjoy it. Welcome to podcast crime bites. We wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help them dive even deeper into the true crime world every week. Take in addition to your normal colts episode. Were exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas like motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world world really is you can find the original episodes of these for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description today. We're discussing cases of psychological manipulation. What tactics to criminals use to deceive coerce coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair defined psychological manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness Restiveness Cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing murder victim is the driving force behind the criminals manipulative actions. They desire to gain absolute control over their prey. Prey Psychologists George Simon identified many tactics manipulators used to dominate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim to to gain sympathy and undermining victims perception of reality through gas lighting. So who do manipulators target. How do they select the right person? PERSON TO FALL PREY TO THEIR SCHEME DR. Harriet breaker identified. The most common traits victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please these low self reliance desire to earn acceptance of blurry sense of identity and a fear of disapproval in our clips. Today will walk through a variety righty of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with a clip it from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer and cult leader Charles Manson radicalized as followers and cultivated and intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding while the most famous killings committed by the Manson family where the Tate Lubyanka murders in August of nineteen. sixty-nine their first victim was drug dealer. Gary Hinman hints murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal. Oh killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine Charles learned. The two men were in the midst of argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families because in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family member L.. Joe Bayly so. He suggested she go along to help. Persuade Henman but L. A.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests. That visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family members. Arguing over which guns and weapons. They would bring Henman's apartment instead. Charleston family members. Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held the drug dealer up up at gunpoint. While the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan. Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage. In his home they continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him. When Henman told them he'd go to the gleese bobby was spooked? He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology. cleese note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The the American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism. That people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent cult influence and going on to do the unthinkable licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use we use the rise of al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them and Talapity. Charles Charles Manson uses same tactics. Family members looked Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation nation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand in the dying man's blood to draw on the wall he wrote a little piggy and then painted a pawprint. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating donating the Black Panthers. He hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter. Then the group left after taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people all in a bid to kick-start Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals the HIPPIE era instead they capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace and love in this next clip from cults we examined one of the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventy S. The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker. You're relied on ideas. Like enlightenment and free love to bind. His disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation installation created an all consuming dynamic of extreme dependency between Baker and his disciples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Daniel Shaw points out in his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems of subjugation. Listen as a cult leader. Baker developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Shaw writes quote the power that parents have as God like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human being with the memory of total dependency cult leaders tap app into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche. Followers are encouraged to become regressed and Infanta licensed to believe that their life depends pens. Unpleasing the culture and quote and just as much as the source family members needed over. He apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore your him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection. In March one thousand nine hundred seventy three. The fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second can home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly vacantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother house else. Business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen family members to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. Am Meditation Tation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but in other ways everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs constantly. Instantly with an ever-expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself by the Jewish name for God Yoga. He taught about the the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers. The pursuit of enlightenment became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules else in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Bakker's acres total control over. His followers only increased over the next two years. Eventually their numbers surged to over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles forced the cult of Fleet Hawaii Baker or father yoed met his end in fatal hang gliding accident in nineteen seventy. I five for some. It was a death as glorious as Baker's life but for others it was shocking wakeup call. They realized that that for years Baker had manipulated them believing he was guiding them to total enlightenment and in turn his followers had blindly obeyed his every swim but what happens when a criminal delude themselves. into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest up there. The victim coming up. We discussed the horrifying kidnapping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of of self manipulation from violence and separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming codependent dynamic of the source family criminals have relied on a variety of tactics to exert control over their victims but perhaps the most fascinating method of manipulation is one. The criminal uses on themselves denial and self delusion in our next clip from our show hostage we cover one of the most twisted cases of self delusion the abduction of Katie Beers kidnapped in nineteen ninety two nine year old Katie was kept in underground bunker chain to the wall where she suffered sexual abuse at the hands of our neighbor. John S zero or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker Esposito committed his crimes out of the belief but he was helping his victim. Katie came from an abusive home so so esposito convinced himself that showering her with gifts and affection would make Katie happy and feel loved the Nesper. ZITO's mind he had rescued Katie Eighty from her neglectful family. And it was giving your the care and attention. She deserved but in reality he had trapped her in a literal Hell L. on earth. Sometimes big John would come into the bunker to give Katie food or toy and then suddenly the blank look would appear on his face and he would rape her one clue about big. John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took more within twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and even then he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence he was seriously harming Katie. Which could lead to denial a psychological coping mechanism on the other hand when John Esposito did finally confess? He blamed his lawyers for telling him not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation. A nation that falls somewhere between extreme denial and willful cruelty Catherine Ramsland. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds of of sexual predators. Says one of the most common types of child predators is the quote fixated child offender fixated child offenders. Offenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development and rationalize away. They're abusive children as showing affection. They may know their our actions are wrong but their fixation on children overrides their moral sensibilities so John might have known he was hurting Katie. But because he was fixated fixated and felt unable to stop. He tried to convince himself he was actually helping her big John's cran gestures like the promise of a car car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth birthday seem like further rationalizations of this abuse. He was able to convince himself that kidnapping being in sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim. Big John had molested children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as a helpful male role model in their lives. Among John esposito's victims Katie's sixteen year old maternal half brother John Beers hostage victim. Katie beers survived for seventeen days in John Esposito a bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving him for kidnapping her she used a variety of tactics to convince Esposito to let go. She pleaded with him if he really loved her. He'd let her leave. Grow up go to college and have a family eventually. ESPOSITO SITO turned himself into the police though it's unclear if he was motivated by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led the police released to the hidden bunker. Freeing Katie John esposito demonstrated how criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control. But how do they gain a potential victims. Trust in the first place in our next clip from serial killers will examine the tactics of lust murderer her Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover Harmon killed at least twenty four men from nineteen eighteen to nineteen twenty four all between the the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims in he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young men he murdered. Were runaways this made them especially vulnerable to harmon strategic kindness. He brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food and drink that once. They're guard was completely down. He savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time. New Confidence Fueled Harman's bloodlust so when he met seventeen year old wilhelm shelter at Hanover Station Station in one thousand nine hundred eighty three four weeks after killing Fritz Franken. He couldn't help but approached the boy by now. Harmon had a practice routine for finding suitable suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise of a police officer. Searching for vulnerable. Boys shoots was a young writer who had just run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman Harman had impersonated a police officer and pretend to lend a sympathetic ear. To the boys troubles. He offered Schultz a place to stay warm meal. She'll say eagerly accepted the offers and followed Harmon to apartment. The room was small but spotless. Thoughtless after nearly getting caught for the murder of Franca just weeks prior harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact. He had been scrubbing the place with harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to the landlord a widow named Elizabeth Angle. But harm it had long ago explained. Ankle that he was very particular about his cleaning habits and she saw no reason to bother attendant for keeping US room tidy besides Harmon was charming angle liked him. His charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte into his bed given his pleasant friendly manner. Harmon was always able to get close to his these victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations harmon especially like to ask US victims about their families. This line of questioning seemed reasonable. Coming coming from police officer but Harman's true goal was anything but noble. He needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy according to Harman he didn't I always feel a violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment. In some cases harmon kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He you gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped the boys but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte his answers made harmon confident that no one would question his disappearance Harmon pulsed. He grabbed Shilpa by the throat and held him down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack sunk his teeth into shelters Adam's apple this episode of serial killers further details. Fritz Harman's six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during at that time the police couldn't help but notice a sharp spike in the number of missing boys and teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones from victims started popping up around town in rivers and fields when harmon was arrested. Police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them. He sold off their possessions for extra cash at the end his thriftiness. What's his downfall? Every part of Fritz Harman's interaction with this victim served a purpose from where he hunted to how we approach them to how he killed them he was entirely calculated in his manipulations appellations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate rather their manipulations encouraged by their own dilutions. Our final clip from female criminals covers convicted murderer. Diane Downs Diane grew up in a strict religious household feeling unloved oft. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life. She finally thought she found the one in. Louison may carried on a serious reese affair for the better part of nineteen eighty two but Louis concerned by some Diana behavior. She needed his constant attention at affection. She he also lied about everything spinning whatever stories necessary to keep him close to her. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to his wife. Diane and was devastated so in May of Nineteen eighty-three. She devised a plan to win. Lou Back if she made herself a victim he would have to compactor. Actor her to save her sadly she involved her three young children in the plot making them victims as well one night. Diane took the kids out for a drive then. She staged a violent carjacking on the night. Night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. Doug Welsh interview Diana at Mackenzie Wilmot. Hospital Welsh was the responding officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane told Welsh that she and her children had gone to visit her friend and Mark Cola a nearby town in in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer route. That was more scenic even though it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children down down old Mohawk road a deserted country road near the Mohawk River. shaggy-haired man flagged her down making her. Stop the car. Diane God ought to ask what he wanted and he demanded she gives him her keys when she refused the man's snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended to throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank to divert the gunman's attention they struggled for a moment and he he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away to the hospital. Parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing it seeing when it's pitch black out and why are the kids fatally or near fatally wounded and she being right handed shot in the left arm. I mean think about it it. She's the biggest threat to him. Not Three sleeping children and quote. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. She told Welsh the man was bushy-haired then said that he wore a ski mask. I she said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent with pathological lying the common symptom in those diagnosed with Histrionic personality. Disorder like Diane. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thank Sammy according to Dr Mark. D Griffiths patients with HP will often lie as a way to enhance or facilitate silicate their dramatic and attention seeking behavior in this case with the dozens of police and doctors in the hospital focused on her. Diana justed her story to you appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took Diane statement. Doctors fought to save the three downs children as we further outlined in the female criminals episodes detailing dying down story. She had a long long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high stakes now with their children's lives on the line. Diane constructed an elaborate carjacking jacking story to explain their grave injuries however her attempts to manipulate investigators and increasing desire for their attention exposed host her increasingly convoluted delusions. Ultimately one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in the hospital spital recovering her three year. Old Son was paralyzed from the waist. Down her oldest daughter Christie initially lost the ability to speak but but when she recovered it was her testimony at Diane's trial that center mother to prison for life while the criminals that are clips today utilize different different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain control over their victims. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tactics at play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Enter ex-boyfriend John esposito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers. Affection even deceiving himself into believing he was saving her. We also saw that. These manipulators shows their victims very carefully. Paying attention to those who are are most vulnerable as laid out by Dr Breaker John. esposito victim was not only child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults for many of Fritz Harman's victims runaways vulnerable to any small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim. Baker offered identity and acceptance to its followers. I who look to Baker for Guidance Enlightenment in the end they all achieved their goal of complete domination. Thanks for tuning into podcast. Crime Bites we hope you enjoyed this episode Odom tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week with a new episode on Mother's misbehaving. We often think of mothers as the consummate nurturers charterers. Why do they sometimes hurt the ones they love most even their own children? 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Con Artists Bites: Psychological Manipulation

"Hi It's Alice there and I have some exciting news for you. Catis is now airing episodes twice a week. Thank every Friday. You'll hear con artists. Crime Bites where you'll get a brief episode on a true crime thing that's related to the stories on this show it's hosted by my good friend Greg and it's fantastic listening experience. I hope you enjoy welcome to podcast. Crime Bites we wanted to give our listeners. Some additional content to help them him dive even deeper into the true crime world every week in addition to your normal con artists episode. We're exploring the most fascinating true crime themes covered across crossed the podcast network. We've collected short clips from some of our most popular podcast originals to help us explore ideas motivation method and madness and show how interconnected the true crime world really is. You can find the original episodes of these for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. A list of episodes that we used will be posted in the episode description. Today we're discussing cases of psychological cool manipulation. What tactics criminals use to deceive coerce and exert control over their victims? Why does it work? And most importantly what are the dangerous consequences of these types of mental domination psychiatrist Harvey Saint Clair defined psychological logical manipulation as a psychosocial maneuver which uses aggressiveness cleverness and deception to influence others so they will give gratification to the aggressor Sir this gratification. Whether that being taking hostage cultivating followers or seducing a murder victim is the driving force behind criminals manipulative Tiv- actions they desire to gain absolute control over their prey psychologist. George Simon identified many tactics manipulators used to dominate nate their victims such as intense flattery. Playing the victim to gain sympathy and undermining a victim's perception of reality through gas lighting. So who do manipulators target. How do they select the right person to fall prey to their scheme? Dr Harry Breaker identified. The most common traits victims victims of manipulation possess among them are an eagerness to please low self reliance a desire to earn acceptance of blurry sense of identity and fear of disapproval in our clips. Today will walk through a variety of criminal manipulators and see how they identify these traits victims. We'll start with a clip from podcast original crimes of passion covering one of the most well known cases of manipulation nation in true crime history. The Manson family by manipulating in group and out group dynamics in the late nineteen sixties murderer murderer and cope leader Charles Manson radicalized his followers and cultivated intense devotion that propelled the family to do his bidding while the most famous killings committed by the Manson family where the tate labianca murders in August of nineteen sixty nine. Their first victim was drug dealer. Gary Hinman Henman's murder was the catalyst for a string of brutal killings carried out by the Manson family in the summer of sixty nine in July of nineteen sixty nine. Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument. Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs APPs masculine from Gary Hinman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund the families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put a pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman was particularly attracted to Manson family. Member Eligible Bailey. So he suggested she go along to help persuade Henman but L.. Joe Asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring Henman's apartment instead. Charleston family members. Bruce Davis Susan Atkins is an Mary Brunner to act as enforcers. They held the drug dealer up at gunpoint. While the spurn bobby. Beausoleil beat him senseless. Eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment. But when Bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days. Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan. Atkins held Gary Hinman. Men hostage in his home. They continued to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him. When Henman told them he'd go to? The police. Bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology. Please note that I am not a licensed psychiatrist or psychologist colleges but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism. That people can be brainwashed into into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable thinkable licensed mental health. Counselor Stephen Hasson use the rise above Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can NBA indoctrinated into committing murder. These extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them and Talapity Charles Manson uses same tactics family members look to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance. Some even thought he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God. Charles they were proud to do it. So in Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman Mint then dipped his hand in the dying man's blood to draw on the wall. He wrote a little piggy and then painted pawprint rent. Charles had instructed Bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers. He hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter. Then the group left taking Henman's cars with them in this episode covering the Manson Family Gary Hinman murder was only the first in a series of killings soon after after the family slaughtered actress Sharon Tate and eight other innocent people all in a bid to kick-start Manson's prophesied race wars but Manson's use use of fear and violence was an opposition to many other criminals of the Hippie era instead they capitalized on the prevailing philosophy of peace. Jason La in this next clip from cults we examined one of the most iconic psychedelic cults of the Nineteen Seventies. The source family unlike Charles Manson the source families charismatic leader. Jim Baker relied on ideas. Like Enlightenment and free love to buy his disciples to him like Manson Baker was at the center of the source family but instead of acting as a warrior he became their spiritual father offering them love and wisdom them in exchange for their loyalty ultimately however this manipulation created an all consuming dynamic extreme dependency between baker and his disciples apples what appeared to be a mutually beneficial relationship. was actually in the service of Baker's Crowing Ego Jim Baker typically responded to complex problems by running away from them but this time he didn't cut and run this could be because as psychoanalyst. Daniel shop points touted his book. Traumatic narcissism relational systems of subjugation as cult leader Baker developed a codependent relationship with his followers. Sean writes quote the power that parents have as God like figures to literally give life and sustain. The lives of their children leaves each human and being with the memory of total dependency comp leaders tap into and reactivate this piece of the human psyche followers are encouraged to to become regressed and infantilized to believe that the life depends unpleasing the cult leader and quote and just as much as the source family members. Numbers needed he apparently needed them. According to Shaw the cult leader does not escape dependency instead he and also in many cases she comes to depend on his followers to worship and adore him to reflect his narcissistic delusion of perfection in March of nineteen eighteen. Seventy three the fifty one year old Baker managed to find a second home for his followers which they called the Father House a three bedroom three bathroom home. In the hills near the source restaurant it was significantly smaller than the mother house. A fact that would soon lead to deadly health risks in some ways life at the Father House went on just as it had at the mother. House business at the source was still booming and it still required a few dozen family members I to run at each day everyone still gathered for four. AM Meditation and spent much of the day cleaning while seeking enlightenment but another ways. Everything changed. Baker began channeling new beliefs. Constantly with an ever-expanding emphasis on his own power. He began calling himself himself by the Jewish name for God Yoho. He taught about the freemasons and ancient Egyptian magic for his followers. The pursuit of enlightenment Mintz became like a whirlwind game in which no one knew the rules in our episodes on the source family. We go on to examine how Jim Bakker's total control over. His followers only increased over the next two years eventually author number surged to over one hundred fifty people but when a run in with the authorities in Los Angeles Force the cult of Fleet Hawaii Baker or father a yoed met his end in a fatal hang gliding accident in nineteen seventy five for some. It was a death as glorious as Baker's life but but for others it was a shocking wakeup call. They realized that for years Baker had manipulated them believing he was guiding them to total enlightenment and in turn his followers had blindly obeyed his every whim but what happens when a criminal delude themselves. into believing that they're heinous actions are truly in the best interest of their victim coming up. We discussed the horrifying kidnapping napping case of Katie Beers and explore the power of self manipulation. Hi It's Alistair. I'm thrilled to tell you about a new podcast series. Sure to become your next obsession. It's cooled secret societies societies. 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Memorize the special password and renew your membership to the most diabolical club in town. Follow secret societies free on spotify FI. Or wherever you get your podcasts. From the violence Winston separatist mentality of the Manson family to the all consuming codependent dynamic of the source family criminals have relied on a variety of tactics to exert control over their victims but perhaps the most fascinating methods of manipulation is one. The criminal uses on themselves. Denial and self delusion solution in our next clip from our show hostage we cover one of the most twisted cases of self delusion the abduction of Katie Beers kidnapped snapped in one thousand nine hundred ninety two nine year old Katie was kept in an underground bunker chained to the wall where she suffered sexual abuse at the hands of her neighbor. John Esposito or big John but unlike Charles Manson or Jim Baker Esposito committed his crimes out of the belief that he was helping being his victim. Katie came from an abusive home so Esposito convinced himself that showering her with gifts and affection would make Katie. Happy Infield loved Vanessa Zito's mind. He had rescued Katie from her neglectful family. And it was giving you the care and attention. She deserved but in reality already. He had trapped her in a literal hell on earth. Sometimes big John would come into the bunker to give Katie eighty food or a toy and then suddenly the blank look would appear on his face and he would rape her one clue about big. John's mental state is how long he remained in denial about sexually abusing Katie. It took more than twenty years for big John To admit he molested Katie and even then he denied raping her. If Big John Really believed he loved children it would have been hard for him to reconcile that with the obvious evidence. He was seriously harming Katie which could lead to denial psychological coping mechanism on the other hand. Win John. ESPOSITO did finally confess. He blamed his lawyers for telling him. I am not to admit to touching Katie. There is one explanation that falls somewhere between extreme denial and willful cruelty Catherine Ramsland Glenn. Phd Co author of the book inside the minds of sexual predators. Says one of the most common types of child. Predators is the quote fixated fixated child offender fixated. Child offenders are stuck at an early stage of psycho sexual development and rationalize away. They're abusive abusive children as showing affection. They may know their actions are wrong but their fixation on children overrides their moral sensibilities. So John John might have known he was hurting Katie. But because he was fixated and felt unable to stop he tried to convince himself he was actually helping her big John's grand gestures like the promise of a car and a huge amount of money on her eighteenth birthday seem like further rationalizations of this abuse. News he was able to convince himself that kidnapping and sexual abuse were actually a net benefit to his victim. The John had molested children children. Before and in those cases too he cast himself as a helpful male role model in their lives among John. ESPOSITO's victims Katie's sixteen-year-old enrolled maternal half brother John Beers hostage victim. Katie eighty beers survived for seventeen days in John s busy does bunker throughout her captivity while he tried to manipulate her into forgiving him for kidnapping her she used a variety of tactics to convince Esposito to let her go. She pleaded with him if he really loved her. He'd let her leave grow up. Go Go to college and have a family eventually. ESPOSITO turned himself into police though it's unclear if he was motivated by guilt over his actions or fear of being caught either way he led the police to the hidden bunker. Freeing Katie John esposito demonstrated how criminals manipulate their victims while they already have them under their control but how do they gain a potential victims. Trust in the first place in our next clip from serial killers will examine the tactics of lust murderer Fritz harmon or the Werewolf of Hanover Harmon. killed at least twenty four men from one thousand nine hundred eighteen to nineteen twenty four all between the ages of ten and twenty two to lure his victims in he sometimes offered them assistance or accommodations. Several of the young men he murdered. Were runaways this made them especially vulnerable to harmon strategic kindness so he brought them home to his apartment supplied them with food and drink then once they're guard was completely down he savagely attacked them after getting away clean for the second time new confidence. Fueled Harman's bloodlust so when he met seventeen year old wilhelm. She'll TSA at Hanover station. In nineteen twenty three four weeks after killing Fritz Franken. He couldn't help but approached the boy by now. Harmon had practice routine for finding suitable victims. He often patrolled Hanover station under the guise of a police officer searching for vulnerable honorable boys she also was a young writer who had just run away from home and this made him an easy target for Harman. Harman had impersonated a police officer and pretended to lend a sympathetic ear. To the boys troubles. He offered Schulte place to stay into warm meal. She'll say eagerly accepted the offers and and followed Harmon to his apartment. The room was small but spotless. After nearly getting caught for the murder of frank just weeks prior harmon had scrubbed every inch in fact he had been scrubbing the place with harsh chemicals so often that other tenants in the house had complained to the landlord. A widow named Elizabeth Elizabeth Angle but Harmon had long ago explained angle that he was very particular about his cleaning habits and she saw no reason to bother attendant for keeping US room tidy. Heidi besides Harmon was charming angle. Liked him his charm also allowed him to urge young boys like Schulte into his bed given his is pleasant friendly manner harmon was always able to get close to his victims without making them uncomfortable in these situations harmon especially like to ask victims about their families. This line of questioning seemed reasonable. Coming from police officer but Harman's true goal was anything but noble. He needed to know if anyone would come looking for the boy. According to Harman he didn't always feel a violent urge to kill the boys. He brought back to his apartment in some cases harmon and kept young men around as errand boys for several days. He gave them small jobs or meals until they stopped coming around other times he raped the boys always but did not kill them but unfortunately for Schulte his answers made harmon confident that no one would question his disappearance Harmon and pounced. He grabbed shelter by the throat and held him down. He raped him and in the midst of the attack sunk his teeth into shelters Adam's apple this episode of serial killers further details Fritz harmon in six year reign of terror as the butcher of Hanover. But during that time the police couldn't help but notice the sharp spike in the number of missing boys and teenagers. His crimes were eventually uncovered when the bones from his victim started popping up around town in rivers and fields when harmon was arrested and police discovered stacks of young men's clothing in his apartment after killing them. He sold off their possessions. Extra cash at the end his thriftiness fifty nece was his downfall. Every part of Fritz Harman's interaction with victims served a purpose from where he hunted to how we approach them to to how he killed them. He was entirely calculated in his manipulations. But for some criminals their actions aren't so nearly deliberate rather their manipulations populations are encouraged by their own. Delusions our final clip from female. Criminals covers convicted murderer. Diane Downs Diane grew up in a strict religious household feeling unloved. She searched for ways to fill that hole her entire life. She finally thought she found found the one. In Lieu Louison make carried on a series of fair for the better part of nineteen eighty two. But Louis concerned by some Diane's behavior. She needed his constant attention at affection. She also lied about everything spinning whatever stories necessary to keep him close to her eventually. Eventually he broke off the affair and went back to his wife. Diane was devastated so in May of nineteen eighty three. She devised a plan to win. Lou back back. If she made herself victim he would have to come back to her to save her sadly she involved her three young children in the plot making them victims as well one night. Diane took the kids out for a drive then. She staged a violent carjacking working on the night of the shooting. May Nineteenth Nineteen eighty-three detective. Doug Welsh interview Diana at McKenzie Willamette. Hospital Welsh was the responding officer that night and this was his first homicide case. Diane told Welsh that she and her children in had gone to visit her friend and Mar Cola a nearby town in Oregon on their way home. She decided to take a longer route. That was more scenic even though oh it was growing dark as she drove her three sleeping children down. Old Mohawk road a deserted country road near the Mohawk River. A shaggy-haired man on flagged her down making her stop the car. Diane got out to ask what he wanted and he demanded she gives him her keys when she refused the manse and snapped pushed her to the side reached into the car and shot the sleeping children. Diane then pretended to throw her car. Keys in the direction of the riverbank. Bank to divert the gunman's attention. They struggled for a moment and he shot her in the arm but she managed to get back in the car and race away to the hospital. Parts of the story didn't make sense to Welsh. He said quote sightseeing when it's pitch black out. And why are the kids fatally or near fatally wounded and she being being right. Handed is shot in the left arm. I mean think about it. She's the biggest threat to him. Not Three sleeping children and quote. In addition Diane's account of the events on Mohawk road were inconsistent. She told Welsh the man was bushy-haired then said that he wore a ski mask. I she said that they were attacked by one man but then she said there had been two then reverted back to one. Her evolving narrative is consistent with pathological lying the common symptom in those diagnosed with Histrionic personality. Disorder like Diane. Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode. Please note L.. Vanessa is not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research. The show thank Sammy. According to Dr Mark d griffiths patients wins with HP D. will often lie as a way to enhance or facilitate their dramatic and attention seeking behavior in this case with the dozens of police and doctors in in the hospital focused on her. Diana justed her story to appear more dramatic as needed while Welsh took Diane statement. Doctors fought plot to save the three downs children as we further outlined in the female male criminals episodes detailing dying down story. She had a long history of pathological lying though her previous lies never had such high stakes now with her children's lives on the line. Diane constructed elaborate carjacking story to explain their grave injuries however her attempts to manipulate investigators tres and her increasing desire for their attention exposed her increasingly convoluted delusions. Ultimately one of Diane downs. Children died from their injuries. The other two spent months in the hospital recovering. Her three-year-old son was paralyzed from the waist. Down her oldest daughter Christie initially lost the ability to speak but when she recovered it was her testimony at Diane's trial that center mother to to prison for life while the criminals are clips today utilize different manipulation tactics. They all shared one common goal to gain control over their victims yes. We saw Dr Simon's manipulation tactics at play. Diane downs tried to make herself into a victim to manipulate police. Enter ex-boyfriend John Esposito zito tried to use intense flattery to win Katie Beers. Affection even deceiving himself into believing he was saving her. We also saw that these manipulators. I chose their victims very carefully paying attention to those who are most vulnerable as laid out by Dr Breaker John. ESPOSITO's dictum was not only child but an abused child who desired the approval of adults. For many Harman's victims were runaways vulnerable to any small amount of kindness. He showed them Jim Baker identity and acceptance to his followers who looked to Baker for guidance and enlightenment in the end they all achieved their goal. All of complete domination. Thanks for tuning tuning into podcast crime bites. We hope you enjoyed this episode on the tactics of psychological manipulation. We'll be back next week with a new episode. On mother's there's misbehaving. We often think mothers as the consummate nurturers. 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Summer of 69: The Passion Behind The Family Pt. 2

"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder sexual assault drug use and violence that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen when Suzanne struthers fifteen year old brother call to tell her. Nobody was answering the door at their mother and stepfather's house. She didn't believe him at first. It was after nine P._M.. And they weren't the type to go out carousing late at night but he insisted she come over. Suzanne told herself. It was probably nothing one of his jokes that she she didn't understand but she couldn't shake her rattled nerves. She took her boyfriend Joe to go investigate. When Susan arrived at her parents house she retrieved the spare key and unlocked the back door? Joe suggested that she she weighed in the kitchen while he checked the living room as she waited. Suzanne looked around and spotted a pile of Watermelon Ryan's in the sink. The site of the mess in her mother's normally meet kitchen gave Suzanne chill a a moment later Joe hurried back into the kitchen seeing his face Suzanne's worry turn to panic. He wouldn't tell her what he saw in the living room only that they had to leave right now as Joe Joe guided her to the back door. Suzanne glanced at the refrigerator startled scrawled on the door and red paint was a strange message helter skelter. Hi I'm leany hops and this is crimes of passion apar- cast original illegal definition of crimes of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore passionate crimes how does a marriage progress from husband and wife to killer her and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's then mind between love and hate what manipulates our relationships and a deadly results last week we explored Charles Manson's troubled troubled childhood in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult he spent another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent for manipulating people when he was released from prison in nineteen sixty seven Charles used this power of manipulation to attract a following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family family under Charles Guidance they spent their day squatting at spun ranch and Seamy Valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after dispute with a drug dealer named lots of Papa Charles went to lots of Papas apartment went shot him and left for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in the aftermath of the violence and how the family was finally brought to justice. This episode is part of our casts summer of Sixty Nine Event July twenty second through August night. All your favorite podcast shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving diving deep into the summer. America hit a boiling point with twenty three special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals will be digging into the fallout of emo KS assassination a wide reaching l._S._d.. Cold Old and rumors of a Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all in our new parkas presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We are grateful for you. Oh our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network several of you have asked how to help us. If you enjoy today's episode the best way down assist to leave a five star review where ever you're listening. It really does help last week we explored Charles. Manson's troubled childhood voted in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult. He spent another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent from Manipur meeting people when he was released from prison in one thousand nine hundred sixty seven Charles used his power of manipulation to attract the following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family under Charles's guidance they spent their day squatting at spawn ranch in Seamy Valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after dispute with the drug dealer named lots of Papa Charles went to lots of Papas apartment shot him and left him for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in in the aftermath of the violence and how the family was finally brought to justice after Charles gunned down lots of Papa in July nineteen sixty nine he bragged to his followers about the shooting shooting but he wrongly believed lots of Papa was affiliated with the Black Panthers and worried that the panthers might come after the family and Revenge Charles became fixated on his plan to flee to death valley and Wade out helter author skelter in isolated safety there Charles said they would hide in a pit until the world returned to order but before they could make their trip to the desert the family needed to raise some funds Charles Thaad one potential source of income might be thirty four year old music teacher and drug dealer Gary Henman Henman was friendly with the family sometimes letting them crash at his house but Charles was an interested in the man's friendship uh with Henman as with all of Charles's relationships Charles only cared about how he could use the other person to benefit himself. This was also Charles felt about twenty one year old musician Bobby beausoleil bobby wasn't an official member of the family but he hung out at the ranch frequently listened to Charles's lectures about helter skelter and was romantically involved with some of the family women in July of nineteen sixty nine nine Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand taps mescaline from Gary Henman but he then claimed that the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back Charles figure that as long as bobby was asking for refund he should demand some extra cash to help fund. The families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman Bliss particularly attracted to Manson family member L. Joe Bayly so he suggested she go along to help her swayed Henman but L. A. Joe asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family. Members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring Henman's apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers they he held the drug dealer up at gunpoint while the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually Henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles as payment but when bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied Aspide he was sure and men must have money stashed away for the next two days Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan Atkins held Gary Henman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman told them he go to the police bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? You Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology please note that I am not a license psychiatrist or psychologists but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism that people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists point to countless examples of people falling under a violent cult influence and going on to do the unthinkable licensed mental health counselor. Stephen Hasson used the rise about al Qaeda and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder these extremist extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus then mentality Charles Manson uses same tactics family members looked at Charles as they're only source of wisdom and guidance some even thought he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs news of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman than dipped his hand and the dying man's blood to draw on the wall he wrote a little piggy and then painted pawprint Charles had instructed bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kickoff helter skelter then the group left taking Henman's cars with them back. It gets on ranch. Susan Atkins boasted to the other women about the murder but not all the family members were impressed l.. A. Joe Bayly felt sick to her stomach. She couldn't believe that the people she saw every day. People she loved could casually admit to murder she had heard about Charlie shooting at Black Panther a few weeks before but that hadn't hit her the same. I'm way she figured it was just Charlie. Protecting the family hearing about Henman's death was different. She knew Henman she had been invited into his home. Eligible wondered what might have happened if she hadn't refused to go back. Perhaps she could have done something to help. Henman now it was too late and she felt paralyzed with guilt. Eligible reflected on her time with a Family Charlie had been the center of her life for nearly two years she had once thought she'd be happy to follow Charlie's lead for the rest of her life but now she admitted that she felt differently. Perhaps it had started. When Bill Vance joined the group bill was special and at some point after he arrived L. A. Joe had begun to think of him as her boyfriend but Charlie discourage the family from forming attachments? He told them that everyone belonged to everyone else. Falling in love with bill was L.. Joe's I act of disobedience against Charlie now in the wake of Henman's death. Ellen show began to steal herself up for another her larger rebellion as soon as she could she would find Bill Vance then they would flee spawned ranch together on July twenty eighth nineteen sixty nine eligible Bailey and Bill Vance escaped the family for good three days later the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department discovered Gary Henman's body afraid the police would connect them to the death. Bobby beausoleil decided to flee to San Francisco driving the car he had stolen from Henman but the car broke down midway there when highway patrol stopped to help they realized that an all points bulletin had been issued for the stolen car. The officers discovered the knife bobby had used to stab henman stashed in the cars well later. They matched his fingerprints to a thumbprint left in Gary Henman's house the officers arrested Bobby Hobby and he was charged with murder. When Charles heard about the arrest he was worried bobby? Mike confessed to everything implicating the family in the murder but he was also upset. The Henman's murder had it made more we have an impact he had hoped to spark a media frenzy though it initiate the coming race war so as a family discussed how to deal with Bobby's arrest trials began to work out a new plan he wanted to stage in even and more brutal murder one so shocking it would make headlines around the country Charles was sure that such an event would be enough to trigger helter skelter and as a bonus it might help Bobby Beausoleil. The family thought if more murders were committed while bobby was in custody it would prove that the police had arrested the wrong man and he would be let go on the night of August eighth nineteen sixty nine Charles took family member Tex Watson aside and told him what needed to be done a year earlier when Charles was cozying up to every music industry contact that would tolerate him. He had pursued a relationship with music producer Terry Melchor at the time Melchior lived in a secluded house on ceelo drive. Even though Melcher had moved out of the house some months before Charles reason that whoever lived there now must also be rich and famous anyone anyone who lived in a place like that must be the kind of high profile person whose death would make national news according to Charles's plan techs and a few of the family women would go to Ceelo drive break into the house else and murder them in his research. Stephen Hasson stated that in the most destructive colts psychological influence seeks to disrupt an individual's identity personal behavior thoughts emotions and reconstructed in the image of the leader Tex Watson win later say that he accepted Charles's plan without an argument because Manson slaw was greater than his own conscience Charles recruited more followers. I help tax twenty one year old Susan Atkins Twenty one year old Pat Krenwinkel and twenty year old Linda Kosabe Ian he instructed them to obey any command techs gave but didn't tell them the goal of the mission as they got into the car. Charles called out do something which he it was a code to replicate Gary Henman's murder and the political piggy message bobby had scrawled on the wall just after midnight on August August ninth nine thousand nine hundred sixty nine the family arrived at the House on Ceelo drive techs instructed the women to climb over the fence once they were on the grounds techs told them the plan kill anyone they found inside coming up. We'll talk about the infamous murder spree of August ninth and Tenth Nineteen sixty-nine either if you enjoy this episode on the Manson Family Search crimes of passion on spotify and give us a follow to find more episodes now back to the story just after midnight on August Ninth Nineteen sixty-nine Tex Watson Season Atkins Pat Krenwinkel and Linda Kosabe Ian drove through Benedict Canyon until they reach the house at one Oh five Oh ceelo drive once they got their techs escape the women the order he had received from Charles Manson they were to break in and kill everyone inside after Melcher moved out thirty five year old director Roman Polanski and his wife Twenty six year old actress Sharon Tate rented the House that night Polanski was not home he was filming a movie in Europe but a pregnant tate just two weeks away from her due date had stayed behind in Los Angeles another couple also resided in the house a longtime friend of Polanski's thirty two year old Vojtech Frankowski and his girlfriend twenty five year old Abigail soldier the pair had moved into keep sharing company before the birth on that August night Sharon had another visitor her close friend and hairstylists thirty five year old J. C. bring in addition to the main house. The property also had a smaller guest cottage the property property caretaker nineteen year old William Garretson lived in the cottage that night. He had a friend over eighteen year old student. Steve Parent parent was just leaving the property around Twelve Fifteen A._M.. On August ninth breath when the family members heard Steve Parents car coming toward them down the driveway they hid in some bushes but as a car stopped at the front gate techs emerged holding his gun the teenager implored please days. Please don't hurt me. I'm your friend. I won't tell techs ignored him. He sliced parents arm with a knife and then shot him for times. Steve Parents slumped over in the Front front-seat dead the group pause to see if the gunfire had alerted the residents of the home but the surrounding canyons had muffled the sound Texan the women continued onto the main house attacks found in open window leading into the Front Hall after slicing open the screen he told Linda to stay and keep lookout while the rest when inside in the Living Room Techs Susan and pack found Vojtech Break Hausky asleep sleep on the couch for cousy woke up and ask them what they wanted techs replied. I'm the devil and I'm here to do the devils business then he kicked for Hausky in the head rendering during him barely conscious textile the women to check the rest of the house they found Abigail folder Sharon tate and J. C.. Bring in the bedrooms brandishing their knives. They ordered everyone to the living room. Rome once their tax tied up the men Jay and the still dazed for Hausky Sharon tate started to cry J. shouted. Can't you see she's pregnant. As as soon as J spoke techs shot him in the abdomen text demanded all the money the hostages had full Joe revealed that she had about seventy dollars in her purse about five hundred dollars today tate explained that she didn't have any money in the house but she could get some knowing the Charles would be upset if they returned to spawn ranch without much cash techs became angry J._c.. Bring grown in writing on the floor from his gunshot wound techs world on him and stabbed him until he died when tate and folger's screamed in Horror Vojtech for Hausky awoke from his Stupor and struggled to untie his own. I'm hands Susan Atkins leapt at him and stabbed his legs techs. Turn the gun on him and began to shoot but he somehow managed to break free and limped outside techs quickly caught up with him. Frankowski died with two bullet wounds and fifty-one stab wounds. Linda kosabe Ian was still outside keeping lookout when they had sent out that evening she thought they were going on another creepy crawling mission not a murder spree as soon as she saw tax shoot Steve Parent she had entered a state of shock. Now she meet an attempt to end the gory scene she shouted. Please make it sop people are coming but nobody was coming and techs did not stop Linda gave up she decided to hunt the fence. Get away from the property and wait by their car. As for Caskey died on the Front John Abigail soldier tried to break away she also tried to escape across the yard but Pat Krenwinkel caught up with her and stabbed her when techs trotted over he pointed path towards the guest cottage and told told her to look inside and kill anyone there at seemed shaken after stabbing Bolger and she only pretended to check the guest cottage telling tax at the house was empty. If the caretaker William Garretson was awake back he didn't give any sign to reveal himself techs. Meanwhile continued stabbing Abigail folder later. He claimed she told him as she died. I give up. You've got me finally the murderers turn to pregnant Sharon. Tate Tate begged them despair her. She pleaded with them to kidnap her and keep her alive just long enough to deliver her baby. The family ignored her. Susan Atkins held the sobbing woman while Tex stabbed her sixteen times when she was dead. Susan dipped Ital- in her blood and wrote the worth Hig on the front door with their mission accomplished. The group left the property tax. Susan and Pat Join Linda a car and drove away when they got back to the ranch. Charles was eager to hear about the crime came in fact he wanted to see it for himself to make sure it was gruesome enough to attract media attention he drew back to the House himself at night and made small adjustments wanting to make the crime scene as bizarre Dr and Chongqing as possible. He placed the towel over J._C.. BRINGS HEAD HE DRAPED IN AMERICAN FLAG OVER SHARON TATE's body. He moved a pair of glasses till the living room when he was finished. He drove back to spawn ranch and went to bed the next morning around eight A._M.. A housekeeper discovered the bodies inside the House on Ceelo drive. Her screams alerted neighbors who called the police police question the caretaker William Garretson. He claimed that he had been asleep on night. The police didn't believe him and arrested Garretson. Police also found a number of recreational drugs the House M._d.. Ama A- sheesh and marijuana perhaps the murders were the result of a drug deal gone bad back at Spahn ranch. Susan Techs and Pat Watch the news and basked in the attention engine. Their crimes had received a Charles wasn't satisfied. None of their reports blamed the debts on the Black Panthers nor did they link the debts to Gary Henman's murder the tate murderers wouldn't clear Bobby Bhosle his name nor would they begin helter skelter so Charles decided that more people had to die this time it wouldn't simply issue orders from the ranch. He intended to oversee the killings. Links himself Charles gathered the same group he'd sent to Ceelo Drive Techs Susan Pat and Linda no one had told Charles that Linda ran away during the previous nights murders and she was too afraid to object when Charles selected her for a second journey Charles also brought nineteen year old Leslie Van Houten an eighteen year old clem broke in the group dressed in dark clothes and gathered their knives then they set out into the night Charles directed them to a neighborhood in Los feeless and hold them to stop next door to a house the family had been to before for parties but the friend had moved out the previous devious fall and no one was sure why Charles pick this target he in Tex- got out of the car and entered through an unlock back door inside forty four year old Lino Labianca and his wife thirty eight year old rosemary were asleep Lino and rosemary were not rich celebrities. He ran a chain of grocery stores and she owned address shop. They were a well liked upper-middle-class couple. They had no connections to Manson or the family. When Charles text went into the house they found Lino Asleep on the couch? When he awoke Charles Order text tie the man's hands behind his back with some leather ropes he brought from the ranch Charles went went into the bedroom brought out rosemary and sat her next to her husband then he retrieved pat and Leslie from the car he told techs make sure everybody does something before leaving Charles Stole Rosemary's Wallet Techs put a pillow case over Lino lobbying as head and wrapped a lamp cord around the man's neck in mouth he instructed pat and Leslie to take Rosemary into the bedroom and do the same same thing to her when they were out of sight tech Stab Lino with a bayonet from the bedroom rosemary screamed? What are you doing to my husband? She tried to run to Lino but the lamp courts wrapped around her neck or still plugged into the wall as Rosemary strained against the cords Pat stabbed her with the kitchen knife. Then techs came in to complete the job with his bayonet. When Rosemary was dead tax return to the Living Room Stab Lino a few more times and carve the word war into the man stomach had stuck an ivory handled carving fork in his body? They went back to the a bedroom. were tax instructed Leslie to Stab Rosemary's body following Charlie's command that everyone participate when they were finished they used blood to write messages on the wall in the living room. They wrote rise and death to pigs in the kitchen on the refrigerator door. Pat wrote helter skelter misspelled H. E. A. L. L. T. E. R. AS TECHS PAT and Leslie Follow Charles Orders Charles led the rest of the Women Linda Clem and Susan to a Denny's restaurant instill Elmar he told Linda Lee Rosemary's wallet and the restaurant bathroom he expected a black woman to find the wallet steal the credit cards inside and then be blamed for the law Bianca's murders then Charles asked them who else they might kill Charles were called Linda telling him about a Lebanese actor named Salad and natter whom she met while panhandling Linda had gone back to the actors home in Santa Monica to have sex Charles asked if Linda remembered the building where the actor lived Linda said yes but when Charles handed her a knife and told her she was going to find matter and slit his throat. Linda balked the bloody events of the previous night I took sick and her and she did not want to be a part of more violence. She said I'm not you. Charlie Charles ignored her he needed as many notorious deaths as possible to ignite helter skelter he dropped the family members off in front of the actors apartment and told Linda to lead Susan and Clem to the actors door where they would kill him. Then Charles drove away back to spawn ranch. Linda pretended to obey Charles but she purposefully took Susan and Clem to the wrong unit when a stranger answered the door. Linda backed away and told the family that she didn't remember were natter lived. The group hitchhiked back to spawn and nobody discussed what had happened. The following evening Rosemary Labianca fifteen year old son frank came home from staying at a friend's house when his mother and stepfather didn't answer the door frank called his twenty one year old sister Suzanne and Suzanne's boyfriend Joe Dorgan the three entered the house where they found Rosemary and Lino Law Bianca dead the immediately called call the police when journalist Got Ahold of the story they noticed similarities between the crime scene at Ceelo drive and the lobby on residence police however were skeptical Lino Law Bianca had some gambling debts and investigators thought he might build some money to members of the mafia although it seemed as if the family had gotten away with murder Charles worried about Bobby Beausoleil who was still being held for Gerry Henman's death breath and who might confess and point the police to Charles at any moment the week after the murders Charleston Linda Kosabe into visit Bobby in jail and give him a message to stay quiet. Linda happily took occur assignment Linda COSC- bian skin crawl the she thought about her naievety she had left an unhappy marriage to join the family because she thought she might find a higher love with Charlie and his women. She felt disgusted by what she knew. Now the family had nothing to do with love. They were just mindless. Robots controlled by a Madman Linda would give anything to when do the Knights of August ninth and tenth but her only option was to move forward. She had to get out only one thing was stopping Linda from deserting the family and never looking back back her young daughter. Tanya lived at spawn ranch to Linda desperately trying to think of a way to take Tanya without raising Charlie suspicions but it was hopeless she knew Charlie would never let them leave together if she tried Charlie might kill her and then Tanya would be stuck with the family forever. Leaving Tanya was the hardest thing Linda had ever done but she knew that it was the only only way to get help she had to do it to save them both with her decision made when the borrowed a car and meet a show of leaving visit Bobby at the Los Angeles County jail but instead of driving having south she went east her heart broke as the mile stretched between her and Tanya but she willed herself to keep going. She had to reach her husband Bob in New Mexico then she would tell l. him everything. After Linda reunited with her husband she told him about the murderers but she was too afraid to go to the police worried the family might hurt her daughter. She was anxious to that. The family might trying to come after her but by then Charles was too busy to pursue an insubordinate family member he was hard at work preparing his followers further move to the desert coming up. We'll talk about the fracturing of the family in Death Valley and how the group's breakdown help investigators and prosecutors make their case against Charles Manson now the conclusion of the story in late August of nineteen sixty nine Charles Manson decided it was time for helter skelter to begin. He ordered some of his most loyal followers to carry we out a series of brutal murders on August ninth and tenth killing seven people not long after the murders spun ranch was rated by police. It had nothing to do with the tate or lobby on the murders. Police suspected the group was operating an auto theft during on the property they had been stealing Dune buggies and motorcycles in preparation for their trek to the desert and had actually previously been rated for similar suspicions. Police took some of the family members into custody but the chargers were dropped within days for lack of evidence. Although they released the adult family members they placed the family children including Linda CA sapiens daughter Tanya into foster care when Lyndon discovered this she returned l._a.. County to regain custody over the girl but she did not reveal anything about the murders back at the ranch. Charles remained anxious about the police's raid he thought it might be a signal that someone was spilling family secrets. He blamed Donald Shorty Shea an employee of the ranch owner short he didn't care for the families presence at the ranch and he often advised his boss to kick them out given his animosity towards Charles Short. He made a convenience Abe goat some night in late August about two weeks. After the tape murders Charles Bruce Davis and Clem Grogan again took shorty shea out into the desert and killed him with this done Charles decided it was time to retreat to Death Valley National Park hundreds of miles away from civilization. Listen to wait out the coming ray source Charles is most ardent followers were thrilled that they were finally going to escape into the pit Charles had prophesied they believed that once they were inside the pit they would go through a metamorphosis -morphosis and take whatever form the desired but they had to locate the pit before this could happen when they reached the desert. Charles ordered them to go on daily excursions in search of the whole that would lead them to the pit and each night when they returned from day of searching exhausted they would gather around the fire take hits of acid and listen to Charles preaching about helter skelter and their new life Sharon K. Farber harbor a counselor with a p._H._d.. In social work said that colts prey upon the tendency of many to rely on magical thinking which reinforces the tendency to endow the leader with omnipotent and magical powers the member our can readily come to believe the leader can read his mind or here conversations at a distance. Many of Charles is followers were desperate for Charles's predictions to come true. They had joined Charles in the first place to escape their empty lives and now they wanted to escape from reality itself but for the family members who were not quite sold on Charles's apocalyptic predictions life and death valley was a difficult adjustment there was no electricity or telephones they were constantly running low on food and supplies and the daily expeditions define the pit or brutal in the desert heat as morale dropped Tex X.. Watson grew frustrated every day. The Group failed to find the pit techs grew more doubtful of Charles Claims Confused and oppressed. He began to fervently wish that he could erase his life with the family family. After a few weeks he left the desert to return to his parents in Texas. Tech's wasn't the only one to disappear family members Barbara Hoyt and seamy Valley Sherry were frightened by the violence they heard about about one night. They slipped away and want sixteen hours through the desert until they were able to stop a car and hitchhiked back to Los Angeles. Besides the blow of losing members Charles also had to contend. Contend with the attention of Park Rangers who correctly suspected the group had set fire to equipment belonging to the Parks Department these suspicions lead Park Rangers and the California Highway Patrol to pay the family of visit they found stolen cars including makeshift armored vehicles with scampered to hold weapons. The officers suspicions of the Strange Group deepened on October tenth the Park Service Highway Patrol and Inyo County Sheriff's department it meant rated the property authorities made over a dozen arrests but they did not locate Charles by chance he had gone back to Los Angeles a day before to try to raise some extra money and replenish their food stash Charles returned to death valley as soon as he heard about the raid. Perhaps he panicked at the thought of his followers in custody and what they might be telling the gleese he wanted to be physically close to them while he figured out how to regain control role immediately after Charles's return. The authorities raided the desert ranch again this time as California Highway Patrolman James Pursell meet a sweep inside the house he found a lit- candle flickering on the table and he knew that someone must be home herself searched the bathroom right before his is the door of a small cabinet by the sinks Longo been and Charles Manson emerged herself said if you make one false move I'll blow your head off to which Charles replied I Charles was arrested and brought to a jail in Inyo county along with the rest of the family. Once serious interogations began everything started to unravel twenty year old kitty loot singer who was pregnant with Bobby Beausoleil as baby and frustrated that she was being kept in the dark told the police police everything she heard about Gary Henman's murder she also told them she had heard Susan Atkins bragging about stabbing a man in the legs she assumed Susan was talking about Henman but he hadn't been stabbed in legs the attack she described at another crime better the murder of Vojtech Frankowski at Sharon Tate's house investigators questioned Susan who corroborated the story admitting that she had been present for Henman's murder. Susan was subsequently booked for murder and moved to a women's prison in Los Angeles County. Susan spent the next few weeks bragging to other inmates that she had been part of the tape murders. John Are Schaefer a behavioral analyst for the F._B._i.. Says this behavior is common stating when criminals commit crimes they feel an overwhelming need to tell someone what they did especially if the crime required hard skill and cunning criminals crave recognition for their nefarious deeds Susan's fellow inmates reported her statements to authorities while investigators were linking the family to the tate and Hinman murderers they also discovered evidence of Charles involvement in the lobby Janka murders the leather material of Charles is deer skin suit match the leather robes used to tie the hands of Rosemary and Lino Law Bianca in the previous months police had conducted three separate murder investigations without seeing a link between them now with the Manson family in custody. The connections between the Tate Labianca and Henman murders were staring them in the face. Now the police had found the perpetrators of the murders prosecutor Vinson Bull Yosi began to build his case against Charles he would have to rely on witness testimony and for this he would. I need to convince some of the family members to let go of their devotion to and fear of their leader Breaking Charles is hold over the family was a difficult process psychologist and cold expert. Margaret Singer stated stated that the idea of leaving a colt is often unbearable for participants. She says there is a psychological bond that becomes most difficult to sever. Perhaps Charles is most bonded and devout follower was Susan Atkins who had been present for all the bloody crimes. Susan Atkins I the prosecutors sitting across from her he was trying to question her but it was hard to focus on him she he had to stay alert and case. Charlie tried to send a message tour. The lawyers kept telling her that Charlie was far away in jail in Inyo County but Susan knew that Charlie was everywhere he he was watching her now. You would know if Susan betrayed him. Her lawyer told her that the prosecutors wanted her to testify against Charlie. He told her that if she didn't cooperate prosecutors would push for the death penalty but Susan understood what her lawyers did not death was meaningless. Only the spirit mattered and the spirit lived forever. That's with Charlie had taught her. Susan Atkins belief in Charles was unwavering but she seemed to enjoy talking about the murderers lawyers convinced her to testify in front of a grand jury in Los Angeles. Susan Susan explained how Charles had program the family to do things and gave detailed descriptions of their crimes. Susan didn't seem to realize that she was incriminating Charles. She saw her testimony as an opportunity to proselytize solidifies about Charles's god-like powers the grand jury panel issued indictments on seven counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder against Charles Manson Tex Watson. Susan Atkins Linda Because Sapien and Patricia Krenwinkel Leslie Van Houten was indicted onto counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. The trial began in the summer of nineteen seventy. Although she yeah testified in front of the Grand Jury Susan Atkins Refuse to testify for the prosecution at trial now she claimed that Charles was innocent and that the family had acted alone without his helper influence but but prosecutors had other witnesses to counter this they arranged a deal with Linda Kosabe Ian who had accompanied the family on the murder missions but refused to kill anyone Linda was granted immunity and exchange for her testimony Simoni. The prosecutors also secured the testimony a former family member Barbara Hoyt who had walked sixteen hours through the desert to escape them testifying against a family proved to be risky cya to the trial trial a family member approach Barbara pretending to renew their friendship but then proceeded to poison Barbara with ten tabs of L._S._D.. When Barbara recovered from the overdose she was more determined than ever to testify justify although prosecutors manage to turn some family members into cooperative witnesses most of them remained under Charles a spell fame social psychologist Leon festinger studied similar behavior in Nineteen Fifties U._F._o.? Colt festinger noted that when the Colt Leaders Doomsday Prophesy failed the cult members became more committed rather than less festinger attributed this to cognitive dissonance writing that a person can distort her perception and the information about the world around her in order to protect her convictions during the Manson trial several of the family women gathered outside the courthouse every day singing enchanting crowds of onlookers lookers inside the courtroom Charles tried to disrupt the trial with a variety of antics including carving a small X. in his forehead just above his eyebrows he arranged for a family member to pass out a written statement went outside the courthouse it read I have xt myself from your world. No Man or lawyer is speaking for me. I speak for myself. I am not allowed to speak with words. So I have spoken again with the Mark I will be wearing on my forehead after he did this. The family woman appeared at the courthouse with X.'s gouged into their foreheads but the trial moved forward as scheduled hold on March Twenty Ninth Nineteen seventy-one the jury returned to guilty verdict Charles Manson Susan Atkins at Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were sentenced to die in the Gas Chamber Tex Watson had separate trial was convicted in October of nineteen seventy-one and also sentenced to death but before these sentences were carried out California Supreme Court voted to abolish the death penalty in one thousand nine hundred seventy two Charles remained infamous in prison attracting notoriety in part due to the devotion of his followers in nineteen seventy five family member Lynette squeaky foamy attempted to assassinate President Gerald Ford Secret Service tackled her before she could shoot Charles might not have ordered the hid himself but many speculate that Lynette did it to impress him. She was sentenced to life in prison for the assassination attempt and paroled in two thousand nine in recent two thousand nineteen interview. She confessed that she was still in love with Manson in other followers did not remain faithful. Susan Atkins eventually renounced Charles and converted to Christianity. She died of cancer in two thousand eight after nearly three decades in prison Tex Watson Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten have also expressed repudiation of Charles they remain in prison today and have so far been denied parole. Charles Manson died in prison and two thousand seventeen at the age of eighty three but fifty years after the Manson families crimes people remain fascinated by the colts legacy. The Manson family came together at the high of a counterculture movement that encourage young people to reject convention question authority and embrace the ideals of peace and love Charles Manson's brutal crimes effectively destroyed the spirit the sixties as the world came to associate the hippie lifestyle with the wave of crime violence but if Charles has life shows anything it's that he did not need a Hippie ideology or political agenda to to inspire him to violence his militias behavior began long before the nineteen sixties Charles Cousin Joanne told the following story six years old first grade. He talked the girls in his class into beating up other boys. He doesn't like then when the principal comes to Ash Charlie. Why did you do that Charlie's responses? It wasn't me they were doing what they wanted. You can't blame me for that. Thirty years later he'd used the same defense with the new group of girls. Thanks again for tuning into our crimes of passion summer of sixty nine special. If you enjoy this episode checkout podcast continued retrospective into the summer of sixty-nine from July twenty second through August his ninth the summer of sixty-nine won't feature twenty-three special episodes across sixteen different podcasts covering everything from Vietnam War protests to the Zodiac killer. We'll be back with a new episode of crimes of passion next next week. If you're interested in learning more about the summer of sixty nine be sure to check out our new are cast presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five star review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time when true love meets true crime.

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Charles Manson Pt. 2: Helter Skelter

Crimes of Passion

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Charles Manson Pt. 2: Helter Skelter

"Due to the graphic nature of these crimes listener discretion is advised this episode includes discussions of murder sexual assault drug drug use and violence that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under the age of thirteen when Suzanne struthers fifteen year old brother call to tell her. Nobody was answering the door at their mother and stepfather's house. She didn't believe him at first. It was after nine P._M.. And they weren't the type to go out carousing late at night but he insisted she come over. Suzanne told herself. It was probably nothing one of his jokes that she didn't understand but she couldn't shake her rattled nerves she. He took her boyfriend Joe to go investigate. When Suzanne arrived at her parents house she retrieved the spare key and unlocked the back door? Joe suggested that she she weighed in the kitchen while he checked the living room as she waited. Suzanne looked around and spotted a pile of watermelon rinds in the sink. The site of the mess us in her mother's normally meet kitchen gave Suzanne chill a moment later Joe hurried back into the kitchen seeing his face Suzanne's museum worry turned to panic. He wouldn't tell her what he saw in the living room only that they had to leave right now as Joe Joe guided her to the back door. Suzanne glanced at the refrigerator startled scrawled on the door and red paint was a strange message coach helter skelter hi I'm Lena hops and this is crimes of passion apar- cast original the legal definition of a crime of passion is a violent crime that occurs in the throes of extreme emotion leaving no time to reflect on the consequences but in this show we explore passionate crimes primes how does a marriage progress from husband and wife to killer and victim or killer and co-conspirator if there's visit them mind between love and hate what manipulates our relationships and a deadly results last week we explorer Charles Manson's troubled troubled childhood in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult. He spent another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent for manipulating people when he was released from prison in nineteen sixty seven Charles used this power of manipulation addition to attract a following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family family under Charles Guidance they spent their day squatting at Spahn ranch and seamy valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles's thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after a dispute with a drug dealer named lots of Papa Charles went to lots of poppas apartment can't shot him and left him for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in the aftermath of the violence and how the family family was finally brought to justice. This episode is part of our casts summer of Sixty Nine Event July twenty second through August night. All your favorite podcast shows are teaming up to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of a landmark summer in American history. The summer of nineteen eighteen sixty nine from the Manson murders to the moon landing. We're diving deep into the summer. America hit a boiling point with twenty three special special episodes across sixteen different podcast originals will be digging into the fallout of emo KS assassination a wide reaching l._S._d.. Cold Old and rumors of a Kennedy family cover up you can find these specials and more all in our new park has presents feed on spotify or anywhere you listen to podcasts at podcast. We are grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach reach out on facebook and Instagram podcast and twitter at podcast network several of you have asked how to help us if you enjoy today's episode the best way to assist to leave a five star review where ever you're listening it really does help the last week we explored Charles Manson's troubled childhood in and out of juvenile facilities as an adult. He spent another another ten years in prison but despite his criminal tendencies Charles had an amazing talent for manipulating people when he was released from prison in nineteen sixty seven Charles used his power of manipulation to attract a following of lost vulnerable people who were desperate for love love and guidance he called his group of two dozen disciples the family under Charles's guidance they spent their day squatting at spahn ranch in Seamy Amy Valley taking drugs participating in group sex and listening to Charles Lecture about a coming race war which he called helter skelter but by July of nineteen sixty nine Charles thoughts and actions were turning increasingly violent after dispute with a drug dealer her name Martha Papa Charles went to lots of poppas apartment shot him and left him for dead but this shooting was only the start of the brutality Liberty Charles perpetuated that summer in this episode we'll talk about how Charles directed his followers to kill for him how the group began to splinter in in the aftermath of the violence and how the family was finally brought to justice after Charles gunned down on lots of Papa in July of nineteen sixty nine he bragged to his followers about the shooting but he wrongly believed lots of Papa was affiliated with the Black Panthers Panthers and worried that the panthers might come after the family and Revenge Charles became fixated on his plan to flee death valley and Wade out helter authors kilter in isolated safety there Charles said they would hide in a pit until the world returned to order but before they could make take their trip to the desert the family needed to raise some funds Charles Thaad one potential source of income might be thirty four year old music teacher and drug dealer dealer Gary Henman and men was friendly with the family sometimes letting them crash at his house but Charles was an interested in the man's friendship <music> with Henman as with all Charles's relationships Charles only cared about how he could use the other person to benefit himself this. This was also how Charles felt about twenty one year old musician Bobby beausoleil bobby wasn't an official member of the family but he hung out at the ranch frequently frequently listen to Charles Lectures about helter skelter and was romantically involved with some of the family women in July of nineteen sixty nine nine Charles learned that the two men were in the midst of an argument Bobby Beausoleil had purchased a thousand tabs of Mescaline from Gary Hinman but he then claimed name but the drugs were tainted. Bobby wanted his money back. Charles figured that as long as bobby was asking for a refund he should demand some extra cash to to help fund the families 'cause in exchange Charleston over a few family members to Henman's house to put pressure on him. Charles knew that Henman Bliss particularly attracted to Manson family member eligible Bailey so he suggested she go along to help her swayed Henman but L. A. Joe asked to be excused from duty. Perhaps she guests at the visit might become violent. She later said that she witnessed the family members arguing over which guns and weapons they would bring the Henman's apartment instead Charleston family members Bruce Davis Susan Atkins and Mary Brunner to act as enforcers they he held the drug dealer up at gunpoint while the spurn Bobby Beausoleil beat him senseless eventually henman agreed to sign over the pink slips to his two vehicles goals as payment but when bobby called Charles to let him know he wasn't satisfied he was sure Henman must have money stashed away for the next two days Bobby Mary Brenner and Susan Atkins held Gary Hinman hostage in his home. They continue to make demands demands for money while bobby relentlessly beat him when Henman told them he'd go to the police bobby was spooked. He might go to prison for what he done. He called Charles. Who said you know what to do? Bobby took that as a command to silence Henman by killing him before I continue with Bobby Psychology please note that I am not a licenced psychiatrist or psychologist but I have done a lot of research for the show. The American Psychological Association has expressed skepticism that people can be brainwashed into acting violently but some psychologists his point to countless examples of people falling under a violent Colt influence and going on to do the unthinkable licensed mental health counselor stephen in Hassen use the rise about Keta and other terrorist groups as modern examples of how people can be indoctrinated into committing murder these extremist extremist groups have radicalized individuals through isolation limiting access to outside information and instilling an US versus them mentality polity Charles Manson uses same tactics family members look to Charles as their only source of wisdom and guidance some even thought he he was the reincarnation of Jesus Christ Charles exploited their trust to make them believe they had to take a stand against the rich and powerful pigs news of the outside world. The family wasn't just willing to kill for their God Charles. They were proud to do it. So when Charles Girls gave the word bobby readily obeyed he stabbed Henman then dipped his hand and the dying man's blood head to draw on the wall he wrote political piggy and then painted pawprint Charles had instructed bobby to leave evidence incriminating the Black Panthers he hoped Henman's death would heighten racial tensions and help kick off helter skelter then then the group left taking Henman's cars with them back at spahn ranch. Susan Atkins boasted to the other women about the murder but not all the family members were impressed. Ella Jo Bailey felt sick to her stomach. She couldn't believe that the people she saw every day. People she loved could casually admit to murder she had heard about Charlie early shooting and Black Panther a few weeks before but that hadn't hit her the same way. She figured it was just Charlie. Protecting the family hearing about Henman's death was different. She knew Henman she had been invited into his home l.. A. Joe wondered what might have happened if she hadn't refused to go back. Perhaps she could have done something to help. Henman now it was too late and she felt paralyzed. Paralyzed with guilt eligible reflected on her time with the Family Charlie had been the center of her life for nearly two years she she had once thought she'd be happy to follow Charlie's lead for the rest of her life but now she admitted that she felt differently. Perhaps it had started when Bill Vance joined the group bill was special and at some point after he arrived L. A. Joe had begun to think of him as her boyfriend but Charlie discouraged the family from forming attachments he told them that everyone belong to everyone else. Falling in love with bill was eligible first act of disobedience against Charlie now in the wake of Henman's death. L. Joe began to steal herself up for another her larger rebellion as soon as she could Bobby beausoleil decided to flee to San Francisco driving the car he had stolen from Henman but the car broke down midway there when highway highway patrol stopped to help they realized that an all points bulletin had been issued for the stolen car the officers discovered the knife bobby had used to stab hinman stashed in the cars well later they matched his fingerprints to a thumbprint left and Gary Henman's house. The officers arrested Bobby Lobby and he was charged with murder. When Charles heard about the arrest he was worried bobby? Mike confessed to everything implicating the family in the murder murder but he was also upset. The Henman's murder had it made more of an impact he had hoped to spark a media frenzy thou would initiate the coming race war so as family discussed how to deal with Bobby's of rest Charles began to work out a new plan he wanted to stage an even and more brutal murder one so shocking it would make headlines around the country Charles was sure that such an event would be enough to trigger helter skelter and as a bonus it might help bobby beausoleil. The family thought if more murders were committed while bobby was in in custody it would prove that the police had arrested the wrong man and he would be let go on the night of August eighth nineteen sixty nine Charles took family member Tex Watson aside and told him what needed to be done a year earlier when Charles was cozying up to every music industry contact attack that would tolerate him. He had pursued a relationship with music producer Terry Melcher at the time Melcher lived in a secluded house on Cielo drive live even though Melcher had moved out of the house some months before Charles reason that whoever lived there now must also be rich and famous anyone anyone who lived in a place like that must be the kind of high profile person whose death would make national news according to Charles's plan tax and a few of the family women would go to Cielo drive break into the house and murder them in his research. Stephen Harrison stated that in the most destructive colts psychological influence seeks to disrupt an individual's identity personal behavior thoughts emotions and reconstructed in the image of the leader Tex Watson win later say that he accepted Charles's plan without an argument because Manson slaw law was greater than his own conscience Charles recruited more followers to help tax twenty one year old Susan Atkins Twenty one year old Pat Krenwinkel and twenty year old Linda Ca Sabin he instructed them to obey any command techs gave but didn't tell them the goal of the mission as they got into the car. Charles called out do something witchy it was a code to replicate Gary Henman's murder and the political piggy Hegi message bobby had scrawled on the wall just after midnight on August ninth nineteen sixty nine the family arrived at the House on Cielo Drive Dr Texts instructed the women to climb over the fence once they were on the grounds techs told them the plan kill anyone they found inside coming up. We'll talk about the infamous murder spree of August ninth eighth and Tenth Nineteen Sixty nine. Have you heard about Fab fit fun. It's a women's lifestyle subscription option box filled with full-size premium beauty lifestyle fitness home and tech products and it sent right to your door with the seasonal must haves. You need need when my first facet fun box arrived. It felt like a friend had sent me a Christmas gift. All of the items are wrapped beautifully and you get to see what each product is like like based on the magazine that is included in the box. 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Oh Five Oh Cielo drive once they got their techs gave the women the order he had received from Charles Charles Manson they were to break in and kill everyone inside after Melchior moved out thirty five year old director Roman Polanski and his wife Twenty six year old actress Sharon Tate rented the House that night Polanski was not home he was filming filming a movie in Europe but pregnant tate just two weeks away from her due date had stayed behind in Los Angeles another couple also resided the house a longtime friend of Polanski's thirty two year old Vojtech Frankowski and his girlfriend twenty five year old Abigail soldier the pair had moved in to keep sharing company before the birth on that August night Sharon had another visitor her close friend and hairstylists thirty five year old J. C. bring in addition to the main house. The property also had a smaller guest cottage. The property caretaker nineteen year old William Garretson lived in the cottage that night he had a friend over eighteen year old student. Steve Parent parent was just leaving the property around twelve fifteen a m on August ninth. When the family members heard Steve Parents car coming toward them down the driveway they hid in some bushes but as a car stopped at the front gate techs emerged holding his gun the teenager implored please? Please don't hurt me. I'm I'm your friend. I won't tell TEX ignored him. He sliced parents arm with a knife and then shot him for times. Steve Parents slumped over in the front seat dead the group pause to see if the gunfire had alerted the residents of the home but the surrounding canyons muffled the sound Texan the women continued on to the main house techs found in open window leading into the Frans Hall after slicing open the screen he told Linda to stay and keep lookout while the rest went inside in the Living Room Tex Susan in an pat found boy tech break Hausky asleep on the couch. Frankowski woke up and ask them what they wanted. Techs replied. I'm the the devil and I'm here to do the devil's business then he kicked by house-key in the head rendering him barely conscious textile the women to check the rest of the house. They found Abigail folder Sharon tate and J. C.. Bring in the bedrooms brandishing their knives. They ordered everyone to the living room. Once their tax tied up the men Jay and the still dazed for a house-key <music> Sharon tate started to cry J. shouted. Can't you see she's pregnant. As soon as Jay spoke techs tax shot him in the abdomen text demanded all the money the hostages had folder revealed that she had about seventy dollars in her purse. It's about five hundred dollars today. Tate explained that she didn't have any money in the house but she could get some knowing that Charles would be upset that if they returned to spawn ranch without much cash tex became angry J._c.. Bring grown in writhe on the floor from his gunshot that wound Tex world on him and stabbed him until he died when tate and folger's screamed in Horror Vojtech for Hausky awoke from his stupor and struggle to untie his own hands Susan Atkins leapt at him and stabbed his legs tex turned the gun on him and began to shoot but he somehow managed to break free and limped outside techs quickly caught up with him. Frankowski died with two bullet wounds Jones and fifty one stab wounds Linda. K._C._B._S. was still outside keeping lookout when they had set out that evening she thought they were going on another another creepy crawling mission not a murder spree as soon as she saw tax shoot Steve Parent she had entered a state of shock. Now she made an attempt to end the gory scene she shouted. Please make it stop people are coming but nobody was coming and tax did not stop Linda gave up she decided to hop the fence. Get away from the property and wait by their car. As for a house-key died on the Front Lawn Abigail soldier tried to break away she also tried to escape across the yard but Pat Krenwinkel in lingle caught up with her and stabbed her when tex trotted over he pointed path towards the guest cottage and told her to look inside and kill anyone one there at seemed shaken after stabbing Bolger and she only pretended to check the guest cottage telling tax at the house was empty. If the caretaker William Garretson was awake he didn't give any sign to reveal himself techs. Meanwhile continued stabbing Abigail folder later. He claimed she told him as she died. I give up. You've got me finally the murderers turned into pregnant Sharon Tate Tate Beg them to spare her. She pleaded with them to kidnap her and keep her alive just long enough to deliver her baby. The family ignored her. Susan Atkins held the sobbing woman while Tex stabbed her sixteen times when she was dead. Susan dipped a towel in her blood and wrote the worth Hig on the front door with their mission accomplished. The group left the property techs. Susan and Pat Join Linda a car and drove away when they got back to the ranch inch Charles was eager to hear about the crime in fact he wanted to see it for himself to make sure it was gruesome enough to attract media attention then he drew back to the House himself that night and made small adjustments wanting to make the crime scene as bizarre and shocking as possible he placed the towel over Jaycee brings head. He draped an American flag over Sharon Tate's body. He moved a pair of glasses to the living room when when he was finished he drove back to spahn ranch and went to bed the next Lisa also found a number of recreational drugs in the House M._D._a.. A- sheesh and marijuana perhaps the murders were the result of a drug deal L. gone bad back at spahn ranch. Susan Techs and Pat Watch the news and basked in the attention. Their crimes had received Charles wasn't satisfied. None of the reports blamed the deaths on the Black Panthers nor do they link the debts to Gary Henman's murder. The tate murders wouldn't clear Bobby Beausoleil. 's name nor would they begin helter skelter so Charles decided that more people had to the die this time it wouldn't simply issue orders from the ranch. He intended to oversee the killings himself. Charles gathered rather the same group he'd sent to Ceelo Dr Techs Susan Pat and Linda no one had told Charles that Linda ran away during during the previous night's murders and she was too afraid to object when Charles selected her for a second journey Charles also brought Nineteen Year Roll Leslie Van Houten an eighteen year old clem Grogan the group dressed in dark clothes and gathered their knives then they set out into the tonight Charles directed them to a neighborhood in Los Feliz and told them to stop next door to a house the family had been to before for parties. He's but the friend had moved out the previous fall and no one was sure why Charles pick this target he in Tex- gone out of the car and entered entered through an unlocked back door inside forty four year old Lino Lobby Yongfu and his wife thirty eight year old rosemary were asleep Lino you know in Rosemary were not rich celebrities. He ran a chain of grocery stores and she owned a dress shop. They were a well liked upper middle class couple. They had no connections to Manson or the family. When Charles Tex went into the house they found Lino Asleep on the couch? When he awoke Charles Order a text to tie the man's hands behind his back with some leather ropes he brought from the ranch Charles went into the bedroom brought out Rosemary Harry and sat her next to her husband then he retrieved pat and Leslie from the car he told techs make sure everybody he does something before? Leaving Charles Stole Rosemary's Wallet Techs put a pillowcase over Leena La Bianca as head and wrapped a lamp record around the man's neck and mouth he instructed pat and Leslie to take Rosemary into the bedroom and do the same thing to her when when they were out of sight Tech Stab Lino with a bayonet from the bedroom rosemary screamed. What are you doing to my husband? She tried to run to Lino but the lamp cords wrapped around her neck or still plugged into the wall as Rosemary strained against the cords. Pat Pat stabbed her with a kitchen knife. Then Tex came in to complete the job with his bayonet when Rosemary was dead tax return to the Living Room stabbed Lino a few more times and carved the word war into the man's stomach pat stuck an ivory handled carving fork fork in his body. They went back to the bedroom. Were techs instructed Leslie to Stab Rosemary's body following Charlie's command that everyone participate when they were finished they use blood to write messages on the wall in the living room they wrote wrote rise and death to pigs in the kitchen on the refrigerator door. Pat wrote helter skelter misspelled spelled H. E. A. L. T. R. AS TEX PAT and Leslie followed followed Charles's orders Charles led the rest of the Women Linda Clem and Susan to a denny's restaurant instill mar he told Linda Delete Rosemary's wallet and the restaurant bathroom he expected a black woman to find the wallet steal the credit cards inside and then be blamed for the law Bianca's murderer's then Charles asked them who else they might kill Charles recalled Linda telling him about a Lebanese actor named salad natter whom she met while panhandling Linda had gone back to the actors home in Santa Monica to have sex Charles asked if Linda remembered the building where the actor lived windass said yes but when Charles handed her a knife and told her she was going to find matter and slit his throat. Linda balked the bloody events of the previous night had sickened her and she did not want to be a part of more violence. She said I'm not you Charlie. Dan Charles ignored her. He needed as many notorious deaths as possible to ignite helter skelter he dropped the family members off in front front of the actor's apartment and told Linda to lead Susan and Clem to the actors door where they would kill him. Then Charles drove away way back to spawn ranch. Linda pretended to obey Charles but she purposefully took Susan and Clem to the wrong unit when a stranger answered the door. Linda backed away and told the family that she didn't remember where natter lived the group hitchhiked back to spawn on and nobody discussed what had happened. The following evening Rosemary Labianca fifteen year old son frank came home. I'm from staying at a friend's house when his mother and stepfather didn't answer the door. Frank called his twenty one year old sister Suzanne and Suzanne's boyfriend Joe Dorgan the three entered the house where they found Rosemary and Lino Bianca dead the immediately called the police when journalists I got a hold of the story they noticed the similarities between the crime scene at Cielo drive and the Law Bianca residents police however were skeptical optical Leena La Bianca had some gambling debts and investigators thought he might build some money to members of the mafia although it seemed as if if the family had gotten away with murder Charles worried about Bobby Beausoleil who was still being held for Gary Henman's death and who might confess and point like the police to Charles at any moment the week after the murders Charleston Linda Kosabe into visit Bobby in jail and give him a message to stay quiet quiet. Linda happily took her assignment Linda K._C._B._S. in skin crawl the she thought about her naievety say she had left an unhappy marriage to join the family because she thought she might find higher love with Charlie and his women she felt disgusted gusted by what she knew now the family had nothing to do with love they were just mindless robots controlled by a Madman Linda would give anything to Undo the Knights of August ninth and tenth but her only option was to move forward she had had to get out only one thing was stopping Linda from deserting the family and never looking back her young daughter. Tanya UH lived at spahn ranch to limit desperately trying to think of a way to take Tanya without raising Charlie suspicions but it it was hopeless she knew Charlie would never let them leave together. If she tried Charlie might kill her and then Tanya would be stuck with the family family forever. Leaving Tanya was the hardest thing Linda had ever done but she knew that it was the only way to get help she had had to do it to save them. Both with her decision made Linda borrowed a car and meet a show of leaving to visit Bobby at the Los Angeles Louis County jail but instead of driving south she went east. Her heart broke as the mile stretched between her and Tanya but she she willed herself to keep going. She had to reach her husband Bob in New Mexico then she would tell him everything. After after Linda reunited with her husband she told him about the murderers but she was too afraid to go to the police worried the family might hurt her daughter. She was anxious to that. The family might try to come after her but by then Charles was too busy to pursue an insubordinate family member he was hard at work preparing his followers further move to the desert coming coming up. We'll talk about the fracturing of the family in Death Valley and how the groups breakdown helped investigators and prosecutors make their case against Charles Manson now the conclusion of the story in late August of nineteen sixty nine Charles Manson decided it was time for helter skelter to begin he ordered some of his most loyal followers to carry out a series of brutal murders on August ninth and tenth killing seven people not long after the murders spawn ranch was raided by police. It had nothing to do with the tate or lobby on the murders. Police suspected the group was operating an auto theft ring on the property they had been stealing Dune buggies and motorcycles our cycles in preparation for their trek to the desert and had actually previously been rated for similar suspicions. Police took some of the family members into to custody but the charges were dropped within days for lack of evidence. Although they released the adult family members they placed the family children including Linda CA sapiens daughter Tanya into foster care when Lyndon discovered this she returned to l._a.. County to regain custody over the girl but she did not reveal anything about the murders back at the ranch Charles remained anxious about the police's raid he thought it might be a signal that someone was spilling family secrets. He blamed Donald Shorty Shea an employee of the ranch owner short he didn't care for the families presence at at the ranch and he often advised his boss to kick them out given his animosity towards Charles Short. He made a convenience ape goat some night in late August about two weeks. After the Tate Murders Charles Bruce Davis and Clem Grogan took shorty shea out into into the desert and killed him with a Stun Charles decided it was time to retreat to Death Valley National Park hundreds of miles away from civilization to wait out the coming race Horse Charles most ardent followers were thrilled that they were finally going to escape into the pit Charles had prophesied they believed that once they were inside the pit they would go through metamorphosis and take whatever form they desired but they had to locate the pit before this could happen when they reached the desert. Charles ordered them to go on daily excursions in search of the whole that would lead them to the pit each night when they returned from day of searching exhausted they would gather around a fire her take hits of acid and listen to Charles preaching about helter skelter and their new life Sharon Kay Farber a counselor with a p._H._d.. In in social work said that colts prey upon the tendency of many to rely on magical thinking which reinforces the tendency to endow the leader with omnipotent patent and magical powers the member can readily come to believe that the leader can read his mind or hear conversations at a distance many many of Charles's followers were desperate for Charles's predictions to come true they had joined Charles in the first place to escape their empty lives and now they wanted to escape from reality itself but for the family members who were not quite sold on Charles is apocalyptic predictions life even death valley was a difficult adjustment. There was no electricity or telephones they were constantly running low on food and supplies and the daily expeditions to find the pit or brutal in the desert heat as morale dropped Tex Watson grew frustrated every day. The Group failed to find the pit techs grew more doubtful of Charles claims confused and depressed. He began to fervently Ervin. Lee wished that he could erase his life with the family. After a few weeks he left the Wchs Department these suspicions lead Park Rangers and the California Highway Patrol to pay the family visit they found stolen cars including in makeshift armored vehicles with scampered to hold weapons. The officer suspicions of the Strange Group deepened on October tenth the park service a highway patrol and Inyo County Sheriff's department raided the property authorities made over a dozen arrests but they did not locate Charles by by chance he had gone back to Los Angeles a day before to try to raise some extra money and replenish their food stash Charles returned to death valley as soon as she heard about the raid perhaps panicked at the thought of his followers in custody and what they might be telling the gleese he wanted to be physically close to <unk> them while he figured out how to regain control immediately after Charles's return. The authorities raided the desert ranch again this time as California Highway Patrolman James Pursell meet a sweep inside the House he found a lit candle flickering on the table and he knew that someone must must be home herself searched the bathroom right before his eyes the door of a small cabinet by the sinks Longo been and Charles Charles Manson emerged herself said if you make one false move I'll blow your head off to which Charles replied applied. I Charles was arrested and brought to a jail in Inyo county along with the rest of the family. Once serious interogations began everything started to unravel twenty year old kitty lead singer who was pregnant with Bobby Beausoleil as baby and frustrated that she was being kept in the dark told the police everything she heard about Gary Henman's murder she also told them she had heard Susan Atkins bragging being about stabbing a man in the legs she assumed Susan was talking about Henman but he hadn't been stabbed in the legs the attack she described fit another crime better the murder of Vojtech Reich Hausky at Sharon Tate's house investigators questioned Susan who corroborated the story story admitting that she had been present for Henman's murder. Susan was subsequently booked for murder and moved to a women's prison and Los Angeles County any Susan spend the next few weeks bragging to other inmates that she had been part of the Tate Murders John R Schaffer a behavioral analyst list for the F._B._i.. Says this behavior is common stating when criminals commit crimes they feel an overwhelming need to tell someone what they dead especially if the crime required skill and cunning criminals crave recognition for their nefarious deeds Susan's fellow uh-huh inmates reported her statements to authorities while investigators were linking the family to the tate and Hinman murderers they also discovered evidence of Charles's is involvement in the lobby bianca murders the leather material of Charles's deer skin suit matched the leather ropes used to tie the hands of Rosemary and Lino Lino Lubyanka in the previous months police had conducted three separate murder investigations without seeing a link between them now <hes> with the Manson family in custody. The connections between the Tate Labianca and Henman murders were staring them in the face now that the police had found the perpetrators of the murders prosecutor Vinson Bouillaud see began to build his case against Charles he would have to rely on witness MS testimony and for this he would need to convince some of the family members to let go of their devotion to and fear of their leader breaking breaking Charles's hold over the family was a difficult process psychologist and cold expert. Margaret Singer stated that the idea of leaving a colt is often unbearable for participants. She says there is a psychological bond that becomes most difficult to sever. Perhaps Charles Charles's most bonded and devout follower was Susan Atkins who had been present for all the bloody crimes. Susan Atkins ends. I'd the prosecutors sitting across from her. He was trying to question her but it was hard to focus on him. She had to stay alert and case Charlie. We tried to send a message to her. The lawyers kept telling her that Charlie was far away in jail in Inyo County but Susan knew that Charlie was everywhere he was watching her now. You would know if Susan betrayed him. Her lawyer told her that the prosecutors accusers wanted her to testify against Charlie. He told her that if she didn't cooperate prosecutors would push for the death penalty but Susan understood what her lawyers did not death was meaningless. Only the spirit mattered and the spirit lived forever. That's what Charlie had taught her. Susan Atkins belief in Charles was unwavering but she seemed to enjoy talking about the murderers lawyers convinced her to testify in front of a grand jury in Los Angeles. Susan explained how Charles had programmed the family to do things and gave detailed descriptions of their crimes. Susan didn't seem to realize that she was incriminating Charles. She saw her her testimony. As an opportunity to proselytize about Charles's godlike powers the grand jury panel issued indictments on seven counts of murder her and one count of conspiracy to commit murder against Charles Manson Tex Watson Susan Atkins Linda Ca Sapien and Patricia Krenwinkel Leslie Van Houten was indicted on two counts of murder and one count of conspiracy to commit murder. The trial began in the summer of nineteen seventy although she had testified in front of the Grand Jury Susan Atkins Refuse to testify for the prosecution at trial now now she claimed that Charles was innocent and that the family had acted alone without his help or influence but prosecutors had other witnesses to counter counter this they arranged deal with Linda Kosabe Ian who had accompanied the family on the murder missions but refused to kill anyone. Linda was granted granted immunity in exchange for her testimony. The prosecutors also secured the testimony of former family member Barbara Hoyt who had walked sixteen hours through the desert to escape them testifying against a family proved to be risky prior to the trial a family member approach Barbara era pretending to renew their friendship but then proceeded to poison Barbara with ten tabs of L._S._D.. When Barbara recovered from the overdose she was more determined than ever to testify although prosecutors manage to turn some family members into cooperative witnesses most of them remained under Charles's spell fame social psychologist Leon festinger studied similar behavior in nineteen fifties UFL Colt festinger linger noted that when the Colt Leaders Doomsday Prophesy failed the cult members became more committed rather than less festinger attributed this to cognitive dissonance writing that a person can distort her perception and the information about the world around her in order to protect her convictions during the Manson trial several of the family women gathered outside the courthouse every day singing and chanting for crowds of onlookers inside the courtroom courtroom Charles tried to disrupt the trial with a variety of antics including carving a small X. in his forehead just above his eyebrows he arrange for a family member to pass out a written statement outside the courthouse it read I have exed myself from your world? No Man or lawyer lawyer is speaking for me. I speak for myself. I am not allowed to speak with words so I have spoken with the Mark I will be wearing on my forehead forehead after he did this. The family woman appeared at the courthouse with X.'s gouged into their foreheads but the trial move forward as scheduled on March twenty ninth nineteen seventy one the jury returned a guilty verdict Charles Manson and Susan Atkins at Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten were sentenced to die in the Gas Chamber Tex Watson had a separate retrial was convicted in October of nineteen seventy one and also sentenced to death but before these sentences were carried readout California's Supreme Court voted to abolish the death penalty in nineteen seventy two Charles remained infamous in prison attracting attracting notoriety in part due to the devotion of his followers in nineteen seventy five family member Lynette squeaky Kief Romi attempted to assassinate President Gerald Ford Secret Service tackled her before she could shoot Charles might not have ordered himself but many speculate that Lynette did it to impress him. She was sentenced to life in prison for the assassination attempt and paroled in two two thousand nine in recent two thousand nineteen interview. She confessed that she was still in love with Manson other followers. I did not remain faithful. Susan Atkins eventually renounced Charles and converted to Christianity. She died of cancer in two thousand eight after nearly three decades in prison Tex Watson Patricia Krenwinkel and Leslie Van Houten have also expressed the repudiation of Charles Charles they remain in prison today and have so far been denied parole. Charles Manson died in prison and two thousand thousand seventeen at the age of eighty three but fifty years after the Manson families crimes people remain fascinated by the colts legacy. The Manson family came together at the height of a counterculture movement that encourage young people to reject convention question authority and an embrace the ideals of peace and love Charles Manson's brutal crimes effectively destroyed the spirit of the sixties as a world came came to associate the hippie lifestyle with the wave of crime and violence but if Charles Life shows anything it's that he did not need a Hippie ideology ideology or political agenda to inspire him to violence his militias behavior began long before the nineteen sixties Charles's cousin Joanne told the following story six years old first grade. He talked the girls in his class into to beating up other boys. He doesn't like then when the principal comes to ask Charlie. Why did you do that Charlie's responses? It wasn't me they were doing what they wanted. You can't blame me for that. Thirty years later he'd use the same defense with a new group of girls. 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