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The world needs plenty of electricity and a lot of them are happy and they can help. It really can't be that we can always do. Better let me keep trying. If you guys keep trying I'm shawn fantasy and this is the big picture. A conversation show about Mark Wahlberg. This episode may break the all time record for big picture dissonance later in the show. I have an interview with Kelly. Reichardt the writer and director behind independent film classics. Like old joy. Meek's cutoff in the new film. First cow which might be the best movie of Two Thousand Twenty so far. I hope you'll stick around for that but I were joined by the frog. Sheriff Chris Ryan. I heard that Mark. Wahlberg actually dropped out of first cow. He was gonNA play the cow Alao. But you're already doing animal. Humor here on driver too is calling. Chris. You're here because you're a fan of Mark Wahlberg work. He's The star of a new movie. That is hitting Netflix. This Friday called Spencer confidential. I think gets his fifth film with Peterberg. The actor turned director of such films as lone survivor and deepwater horizon. This is a very strange movie but I think it's going to be a a very watched movie because the corona virus is scaring America into staying inside their house. And so I think that there's a potential for a lot of viewership of this movie. So we're talking about Mark Wahlberg one of the most resilient and persistent movie stars. I guess of the past twenty five years so let's just start with WHO is Mark Wahlberg. How did this happen? That Mark Wahlberg became one of the signature figures of movies in the twenty first century. I would not say I'm a fan of Mark Wahlberg as like I'm a I'm agnostic as a citizen. Yeah I would say that. I am very interested in the way that he has conducted his career. Which is kind of a weird throwback to a studio systems our he makes three to four movies every eighteen months somehow and just releases them at like a hugely prolific rate at. I'm fascinated by all the little pockets of his career that he has created where he repeats. You know he goes back to these little micro genres that he and he works a lot of people over and over again by the way he kind of has conducted his career to me is almost unique among Hollywood movie stars anymore. I mean most of the time when people achieve a certain level success. They just like see in three years for my next blockbuster or award fodder and he's just like nope. I'm grinding out. Family movie violent action film and then every once in a while Raunchy comedy and it's just like pretty pretty like unique among all Hollywood stars so I'm fascinated. What do you make them Amanda? I was fascinated when going back to you. Remember how many great directors he's worked with and how many actually excellent movies he's been in. Chris was asking me how much we watching I had to do for this podcast and the answer is a lot. Because I wouldn't say that Mark Wahlberg stays with me besides certain shots that will certainly be discussed on this podcast but he especially I guess in the first decade of this century just goes on a tremendous run. I really from Boogie nights on and works with a does a lot of really great movies and then kind of decides to just become like the Peterberg comedy guy in the second decade of the century. And I it's a really interesting shift. He just Kinda decides no. I'm going to do this now. And it's very fascinating to me I can't really make sense of. I also is Christmas talking about his efficiency. Just pulled up his daily schedule. Do you guys remember the days? Will he wakes up. Like four o'clock in the morning posted this on his own instagram typical daily scheduled to thirty. Am Wake Up. What don't you forty five prayer time. Three fifteen am breakfast. There's a lot of work work. He's golfing from seven thirty to eight. Which is the golf people? And there's a chamber recovery at nine thirty that takes more time than golf workout number two lunches and our so our meeting slash work calls also an hour and he goes to bed at seven thirty PM and which in Los Angeles for. I'd say six at least six months of the year. That is still broad daylight. Yeah Yeah Su. There is real efficiency baked into this. He's clearly very deliberate guy. He's making choices. And I think that pertains to his daily life and also his his career. There is clearly thought going into this. It's not a type of thought. I can access. I still don't know why you would wake up at two thirty and I don't know why you would do like five deep water horizons. There's a rumor that he has a routine. I think you. I'm speculating here. But I think he's a member of Wilshire Country Club here in Los Angeles. My husband told me this last night and he likes to play alone. He likes to play. And that's why he's playing so early in the morning and he's trying to get in like a quick nine or quick eighteen. I don't know five days a week which I'm who among? Us would love to do that if I could wake up before five. Am I would do it. I'll tell you I would love to do that. I'll tell you something else I am. I find golf to be social and I get crippled like when I play by myself. I'm like all the neurosis is creeping like. Should I take another shot now like it really playing golf? If you're not playing with anyone can just tell you. He's got three snacks on the schedule. Including one that takes an hour and a half from eight to nine thirty. Am is snack after seven. Thirty to eight am golf. Probably a euphemism. Oh Okay so you think. His sessions are ninety minutes. So you're saying to jump off something. Amanda said You know who? He reminds me of a bizarre way Cruz. Where it's like that run. Where cruises like I'll just work with Barry Levinson Stanley Kubrick and Steven Spielberg and every great director at it seems like I'm just the most important factor in the whole world and then one day he wakes up and says I'M GONNA make action movies for the rest of my life? It's very unlikely though. I mean his origins restraints obviously member of this very well known family. He's from Massachusetts. He starts out as a a rap artist and ultimately becomes a Calvin Klein M. C. An. Mc Yes we watched the vibrations video. Recently I took my top five twenty two. Would you make of good vibrations? And and how did you feel about the funky bunch all these years later? It's just really bizarre that this was a thing that we lived through. Who is the funky bunch? I I still don't know who's in it. Were you in a Chris? Thought it was the backup dancers. I mean yes. That's who they were but like do you know anything about them and where they are now. I was pretty. Yeah I was pretty. I was pretty authentic back then so I was. I was already listening to deep deep newer. Grab I love talking about the early nineties with you. Can we talk about the Calvin Klein ads for a second really really important? You're almost put these on my list. And it's and my honorable mention boxer briefs. Yeah I was still a boxer sky back then that was not interested in the product. Would you just tear the ads out of the magazine? Crumpled them up and throw them in the garbage. I think that the those are the signature moment in his career without the advertising campaign he would not have become weirdly Tom Like sub Tom Cruise but he you know. He soared to a of fame on that ad campaign. They're just extremely important. Ninety s imagery obviously came as also in them. And that's where the whole K. Moss thing starts Them Hating each other. Great early celebrity feud they're very important that's all and also it looks great. I mean he and his image was of basically like a tough guy with a bad attitude whether that was true or not he obviously got into some altercations and his his personal history is pretty complicated. We're not gonNA spend too much time talking about on this show. But I think that he basically leveraged his complicated persona in the public into a movie career and if you look at the first few movies that he makes replays these kind of like weird intimidating Undeveloped YOUNG MEN. You know in the basketball diaries in. Ryen Russillo favorite movie fear And even in boogie nights. There's something like violently adolescent about his his persona which is very different from the kind of actor and movie star that he is right now so a lot of times. I think that we could. You could write like a series of essays about how much actors of his generation have attempted to mimic the kind of like rough and tumble blue collar upbringing. That Walberg apparently had like how how often like DiCaprio Damon or these guys have tried to be like no I'm Jim Carroll and he's just a function Carol I'm the real thing but it's weird like even in his authenticity. If you WANNA call it that he still lacks like any kind of emotional intelligence or psychological depth to portraying those things and you could write all these essays. But you could just watch the departed. Because that's what this does that. Do you need that from an actor? Do you need to feel like this person is like in control and has that depth that Chris was talking about? I think I do ultimately. I think that there is a reason that I gravitate to Matt Damon instead of Wahlberg. And I think that you not just because of the departed and the Boston. Bill will talk about that a lot as a comparison but I like I said I really remember a lot of Walberg performances. Even though he's been given a lot of great ones and I think that's because they have a I don't WanNa say surface level. That's unfair. They're actually a lot of depth but they aren't the emotional depths and I think I personally don't hang onto those. I think I'm always wondering how in command of the Ark of his career. He is because you pointed out he makes he's. I mean he's just been a lot of great movies a lot of movies that are going to stand the test of time and it always seems like he's being cast the way that a lot of young actresses or cast as the. Nayef as the like the naive and innocent who gets corrupted when put into a system and like did someone in a room. Say That to him. This is your lane man will early like you think so. Well I just don't think that he I think he's largely in charge of the movies that he makes. Now he's like. I think that the movies that we see our movies that Mark Wahlberg once made for the most part and my suspicion is the reason he made that transition. Amanda was referencing about just mostly doing action. Comedy movies now is because those movies are more fun and easier to make for him there either like a physical challenge there like a day on the set whereas making boogie nights as hard Russell Smart. Yeah I think that he is both like sinking very strategically as the schedule would suggest and also like not over thinking it i. That's the VIBE. I guess sometime at the end of the day he's going like it very much is what it is. He is a very Surface level or just immediate actor. That's that's what you're getting and so I think he wants. He gets to produce the movies himself and make the decisions. You just kind of like. Yeah action comedies. Got There before we get into our top fives and I think we should figure out what we mean. When we say top five if it's five performances or his top five movies because there's some complexity. There is a very strange celebrity. The the nine eleven thing is you're staring right at. It's just hanging over my head as I think about him as a public person. So in twenty twelve Walberg was quoted in a magazine interview regarding. What would have happened if he had flown aboard American Airlines Flight? Eleven on September eleventh. Two thousand one. He'd been booked on a flight on flight. Eleven but his plans changed the day before the scheduled flight and he cancelled his reservation. Walberg received public criticism for stating quote. If I was on that plane with my kids it wouldn't have went down like it did and there would have been a lot of blood in that first class cabin and then me saying okay. We're going to land somewhere safely. Don't worry Warburg apologized for those statements. But they're actually the sort of thing that kind of inform his public persona and when we watch him in an action movie. We think that he's the kind of guy who's like I would have kicked some ass on nine eleven which I don't know if you like complicates the quality of the films that he makes but I can't get stuff like that. Outta my head once I've read or heard about it and I feel like we've referred back to it even in a joking fashion over the years right. Yeah it is definitely one of the top three things that I think about. When someone says Mark Wahlberg schedule yeah nine eleven yeah and the last night of prosthetic but like you know. I'm human beings. It's the point of the movie full movie as leading to that so yes I agree. It's funny he is both. I think very funny as a comedic actor like entirely humorless and it's maybe that some things he's in on the joke on some things he's just kind of being like no I would have save. I would have stopped nine eleven. Which is just a ridiculous thing to say. And that's the joke of Andy Sandberg's say Heidi Mother for me. Yeah you know portrayal of him is this is like he's kind of total rube but also not. There's something very elusive about. Whatever's going on with an entourage thing it's like. Do you watch entourage because you think it's completely ridiculous or do you watch entourage because you think it's like six awesome representative drama and I dare to say that Mark Wahlberg is like Yup? That's how it went. I you probably think you're right. Insulin entourage Ari comes on and it's really like Whoa but most but he's like that's accurate me. Like Vince is very much living my experience. He's like we should make a show about it. I think. I think that you guys are right. Do you think that this should be five performances or top five movies I choose? I don't know I don't know where I landed. I think I did I tried to be interesting here but I I wouldn't say that any of these performances leap out at me except for my number one and number two as like excellent performances. They're more like movies. I really like was he ever given a truly great performance. Yes I I think. There's one and a half great performances on this movie and it's just a half is the end of boogie nights. No no I. Well that might be the case now. There's another movie I still did performances but I think they are. They are a little bit also an award for the movie knowing how best to use him right. Okay well then let's get into it. Let's go into our top five Mark Wilbur performances slash movies number five Amanda. Why don't you start us off? This goes out to Bill Simmons and apparently to right who I still have never met. Hello Ryan. I'm going with fear. Why not whow revisit? Yes I did okay okay seen Djing the credits great great. This is a really creepy scary performance from him. When I mean obviously the roller coasters very important and also this is important. Because of early reese witherspoon just all my interests also. We have to be ourselves watching. I was like Oh. This is Mark Wahlberg talented Mister Ripley in and I mean that in terms of the quality of careers also even though I do think mark. Wahlberg has been a lot of movies but Y- demons talented. Mister is like a really new on psychological drama directed by Anthony Minghella monitoring really beautiful mark. Wahlberg is just like I'm a really messed up. Kid who's killing people in a completely unsubtle movie but I look really scary. But he's really scary and also really hot in. It sums up a lot of his choices going down the road. I feel and it's also extremely memorable. I imagine if we ever do the Ra- watchable sphere what's age. The worst is GONNA be a long talking point on the pod. How do you feel about fear? I don't think I've seen fear and since I was like in high school or something or since I was already. He is really menacing in in a not over the top way and when I was watching like a lot of things he gets to a agro also like you can see the effort on him really quickly. There are a lot of movies where it's like. Oh you're doing a character of yourself or you're just screaming and there is something I don't WanNa say nuanced because this movie is a mess but there is something like authentically creepy about him and it kind of keeps in that tunnel line it's upsetting and also just terrible movie but important movie. It's I mean it's not made by it's made by a lot of very successful and talented people. You Know James Foley who made glengarry Glen Ross and a bunch of other pretty solid films made it. It's like Kerr Carter. Burwell did score to this but I even at the time I remember thinking like as a fourteen year old has like this. Seems kind of problematic. Those well before we were saying. That movies were problematic. Strong choice by you. You really kicking us off in a I'm aggressive. Podcast about mark. What else is supposed to do? What about you number five? Contraband this by the way you chose to do this. I'm not going to spend both of us on this podcast. You said we will do an entire podcast about mark. Wahlberg very respectable normal movies. That people like you guys contraband. Contraband Two thousand twelve is my favorite one of all of the mark. Wahlberg sincere B. Movies. He's been making these. Since two thousand and seven starting with shooter among other titles they include two guns broken city. Contraband The aforementioned Spencer I guess I would put in this category. What else. Mild twenty two which is quite an amazing film absolutely terrible. I'd like APP is one of the true. Like how did this get made like absolute lunacy contrary feature all of my favorite actors? Let's go through them really quickly. Hook Mark Wahlberg came back and sale. Yeah love her I do too. I also really recommend sales instagram. And keep going. Ben Foster Giovanni Ribisi Lucas Hawes J. K. Simmons and Diego Luna. There's only nervy weird guys yell ally about a shipping. It's it's a film. She wanted to make a movie about shipping. It's too bad because they are you. May Contravene No. It's about a guy who thinks he's out and they pull him back in because his brother gets caught up in some in some like smuggling shit and he has the rescue Caleb Landry Jones who is Cape Beckon sales brother. I think sure Rabih is the heavy and it's great. It's just a great is he? Plays Chris Faraday set New Orleans. I would not call it an authentic New Orleans. If you want to bend can't say you really made a strong case for this movie at all. I have no idea why you like the fact that he is like a weird like latter day like exploitation actor where he's still grind out like three pretty decent thrillers a year can also remind you picked performances and not movies. Yeah I'm not like you want me to see Huckabee's six times like like let's get interesting would be real well. Let me just say that. The thing about Spencer is in keeping with what you're describing is it is basically him being like. I'm Charles Bronson Burt Reynolds. Or there's a certain kind of seventy s tough guy movie. Joe Don Baker. You know all of those guys and I think Mark Wahlberg is like this kind of movie still makes sense and I will continue to make it. Yeah and I guess. In some cases they've been very successful in some cases not mild twenty. Two famous is huge bomb. I wonder if Mark Wahlberg transitioning to Netflix also says something about the direction of his career not necessarily negative. But just I'd rather not have to deal with the vagaries of the box office My number five is the yards which I think is a good performance in a great movie. Misses a James Gray movie from the late nineties It's probably best known for really strong performances by Joaquin Phoenix and Charlie seren in the early stages of their career series actors. But I think it. Kinda sums up what? Wahlberg is best at which is kind of playing the rube playing like the soft headed lead character. Who gets pivoted around by all the characters in the frame so James Cons in the movie Faye dunaway's in the movie all these amazing powerhouse scenery chewing actors and he is our Avatar. Who has who's like Kinda surprised every time something bad happened to him. Dirk dealer is very much the same way. It will definitely talk about stigler but that to me is the best version of him. It's not the comedy actor. It's not the action movie star. It's the guy who were just sort of along for the ride with You know the yards of fairly standard up upscale psychological crime movie. It's it's the Tony version of contraband. Same Way with we own the night. A couple of years later which is Joaquin Phoenix and Mark Wahlberg Robert Duvall and even Mendez and a James Gray movie. Actually love that movie and it's one of those movies that it's Kinda hard to figure out like why he wanted to work with James Gray or James Gray seek him out because he thought he could open his movie overseas with Mark Wahlberg much money. Would you pay to like just be in a room with Mark Wahlberg and James Gray for an hour? I don't I can't even imagine what they made two movies to get. I know and what the Fuck Mark Wahlberg and David O Russell talk about. I don't know but the but it's an thing we're both of those filmmakers who we know to be. Incredibly intellectual and stimulating conversationalist perhaps in an aggressive fashion on David a Russell Coun- they both like him and they both return to working with him over and over again. They were to the multiple times a great question. We'll never know the answer. Let's go to number four Chris. Why don't you start us off my number? Four movie is the other guys. Says the other is honorable mention? Okay it's honorable mention. That's my favorite Mark Wahlberg comedy. I think he's really funny with will Farrell. This is one of those movies that has gotten funnier over the years. Because I've watched up brothers too many times so I can't keep watching the same five comedies so I need like one more and other guys is the is the one. And it's like kind of becoming the the loss mccade gem you know. Also that's the movie that really officially kicks off Adam. Mckay has some big ideas about the economy. That's the whole subtext. Steve Coogan character who I think is evil. Billionaire The procedures. Yeah Mike Bloomberg and where our political conversation is going right now. It's really funny to watch. Warburg tried to go like line for line with Will Ferrell and Improv with those guys. We'll say that was the thing I re watched it thinking that it would be in my top five. And then he number one. I forgot how many hilarious people are not movie and he kinda gets blown off the screen by I mean certainly by welfare which everyone gets blown off the screen by Will Ferrell but ultimately I was like. Oh you can't quite hang with the big boys. Yeah I think that's probably what movie are really funny because there's lots of times where like other everyone else's cracking up. Warburg's just kind of like I have a scheduled to get the Wilshire Country Club in an hour. I think also the very best bit in the movie happens. Twenty minutes in when Sam Jackson and the rock jump off the building and die and I really. I kind of just wanted. This movie is Will Ferrell in even Mendez being married? Yes long history. That is funny when Wahlberg is just like by Sheila Sheila like a million times. I don't think you can hear me very good. And that's what about number four. My number four is the fighter. Okay speaking of David a Russell. Yes it's being David a Russell and speaking of Mark Wahlberg kind of being the center. Where all the interesting people go nuts around him which is certainly the case in this movie. I had forgotten about the sisters. You remember the sisters and the fighter yes tremendous stuff. Did you know that one of them is Conan O'Brien? I remember that that was really good like early. Film Block fodder back in two thousand ten but we were so innocent than we were. But what I like about this is that you know as I said. I don't really find that. Wahlberg is always a hugely emotional person actor and I think often when he tries to do emotional stuff. It doesn't go super well. You don't really buy it and this actually is like a quiet emotional performance from him. He definitely has chemistry with Amy Adams who is tremendous in this movie and affection for Christian Bale and the sisters and you actually do feel him relating to all the other people in the movie while also giving like a very physical performance which is another hallmark of his. I think it's the best version of a lot of those things. Also just I. I like this movie I agree. I think he's at his best when he's doing exactly what you're saying. Which is like using his brute force as part of the story telling the movie. And that's part of why my number four three kings also David a Russell movie also where he has to run around a lot and seem panicked and carry a gun and in a Lotta ways he shows us a little bit of the sensitivity. Like my favorite scene is when he calls his wife on the phone with the burner when he goes inside the tunnel. And you know there. It's like it seems like it's going to be a very sweet conversation. You realize that he's about to be very panicked but he has to do a lot of anguish stuff and he really is the king. I think that we spend the most time with even though it's quote unquote at George Clooney. Movie and Ice Cube is in the movie. There's an all time Spike Jones performance in the movie mark. Wahlberg is like the empathy center of the story and a Russell returns to him for that role over and over again. And that's a really great movie. I think we talked about it last year. During one of the ninety nine pods and I would encourage people to check it out number three Chris the perfect storm so I think probably the most rewatch -able Mark Wahlberg movie. If I had if I had to go out on a lynn up there at the department the most re watchable drugs. I have store. I have not reward. Shitsu could you please do Diane Lane in the perfect storm pressed now. This is the note that Diane Lane leaves for Mark Wahlberg when he goes out to see high bauby somewhere out there on the deep blue. God Damn See and I'm writing this on a box to semi down pillows that I secretly bought for pennies smiling myself because I got a surprise for you. I'm talking removal for my dungeons in the crow's nest to our own place. It's no great shakes but you got to begin with the baby shake right forever. Love Bobby in this for the long run. What is it Ted Kennedy you happen? You made her sound honestly. Is she like reading cleaning? Perfect storm top five all time. That's like anything that you just did that. Entire reading Ted Kennedy and then like top five all time. I know you didn't know that about yourself performances by an actor onscreen no I love. I love perfect storm. Wolfgang Petersen moved from two thousand. And it's like when they say like they don't make them like they used to they're usually referring to like classic. Hollywood movies but I kind of referring to these really really well made so what action e but somewhat heartfelt kind of Like spectacle Hollywood spectacles. And this is Clooney Walberg. Walberg is like the Authentically Boston guy on a boat full of people doing terrible Massachusetts accents like John C Reilly and John Hawkes Clooney and Mary Elizabeth Master Antonio and Michael Ironside. But it's just like a really like amazing apollo thirteen but with a sad ending type movie I I love you literally. But you're this is weird this this this is doing. What else is going to be on your list. Just really going for it right. This is the most re watchable Mark Wahlberg movie as opposed to. I guess you're GonNa say boogie nights right. I mean we don't really have had already named a movie. That's more reliable than this movie. Okay I mean you guys are getting really pedantic damage Chris. There's a podcast you just say. Something is going to be part of the read. It back to me like US tonight I refer. Yeah I like the perfect storm and I don't care who knows it. Does he die at the end of this. Yeah everybody dies styling. She's in her apartment she gets. She's like I put up some Britons. Bobby you and me fathom accent. It's all over the place. What are you doing this is good? This is good stuff amanda. What's I got your number three. Not The storm which Christie's spoiled for me twenty years. It's Iheart Huckabee's this is my number two. Yeah at this is this is tremendous. Maybe maybe it should be higher. If I had my the courage of my convictions it would be higher. I come on over. I find him. She'd be a hilarious in this movie and it is also it is him being in on the joke and actually being able to use the comedy in the ridiculousness and it makes the entire movie work takes by the way this movie so Weird. I watch it. I get some air years. I so strange. Just straighten the dinner scene with Schwartzman and Wahlberg Richard Jenkins engine smart talking about socialism. Like yes the best thing in the movie and it's it's I think you could make the case that even though I put it at number two and you put it in might be the pinnacle of Mark Wahlberg acting career. You guys are making me feel bad but okay because I feel like I didn't take this to this. I mean I'm I'm doing a lot of undiscovered. It's important to talk about contraband. Could you just gotTa get the word out about contraband? Here on the pod I agree if it feels like maybe the only time in his career that he's in on the joke man. I you know it's like he's funny in Ted and he's funny in the other guys but this is weirdly a comedy that is about the most the deepest psychological problems that we all deal with. And it's also it's also about nine eleven and it's also about Density family like all these big ideas. The script is incredible in this movie. It's it's so strange you're right but I really think it's like a massive achievement. My relationship to David Russell kind of like ends with this movie. I think that Mark Wahlberg is great in the fighter right but the fighter and silver linings and American Hustle and joy. I feel like David Russell like lost something like this. I feel like in some ways. Movie might have broken him and his fearlessness. That you saw spanking the monkey and three kings in this wild approach to movie making ends and I don't know what to say to the movie. I love that movie very much. And he doesn't work without Mark Wahlberg absolutely not. It's did line reading. The the timing is not something that I knew he had and that is not something that he has really shown sense. Do you think he likes to be challenged like an athlete? Because we know David a Russell can be very challenging director. Abedi Dixon Yeah. I mean he's worked with him three times. Yeah and even I feel like a lot of the Peterberg stuff is around like lone survivor. I don't think it's going to be on. It's an on your list. Chris No I. I have a lot of admiration for lone survivor. I thought it was really effective movie but I could see Mark Wahlberg being like I'm good. I can bite into this and I can spend six months of my life challenging myself to excel in this movie and this is slight slightly more emotional version of that where he asked to think a little bit harder and focus a little bit more and uses. He's funny brain and use a serious brain and I don't know we should just play that clip of the dinner sequence in full because it's just really wonderful also like that his first scene when I guess when his wife and child leaving and then he's just yelling about petroleum and like throwing should around does get to be really physical like diva clearly understand something. I'm David a Russell understands angry. Men and is I mean. I don't I've never met David a Russell but I think maybe it takes one to know one from what I've read and really likes putting them in his movies. See also Bradley Cooper but he really let's all the facets of Mark Wahlberg shine. You're not really leaning into angry mark. No I'm not so I heard his my two. What's your number two departed? She's angry in this movie. This is my number three number one. Okay so let's have our departed conversation. I basically he's a force of nature in this movie. And these two guys who are pretending to be essentially each other various points and are sort of representing two sides of a psyche. He's the one who's just like you're full of Shit. You know and is the destroyer of worlds and is the truth teller and his. He's he's playing such amazing role in this in this movie and I almost feel like it radiates off of him. How pissed off is that? He is third build. Yes and how ridiculous he thinks these two guys are yes and I think that makes this. Movie fucking electrified. Yeah it's it's Walberg like boil down to it to an essential element or whatever like if you were you know finding a naturally occurring Walberg. It's it's this. It's like him screaming about the mushrooms and the feds and whatever motherfuckers. Yeah and it is also such a summary of his career. He is always. I mean he's angry. Bust a guy like that is. That's that's what he does is kind of the first time he really did that though. Yeah but like a Lotta people are trying to do versions of that. Working Class Tough Boston guy. And a lot of people have built very successful careers on them. Many of those people are also in this movie with him but he is doing the pure version of it and he seems for lack of a better word to slightly more authentic. He plays a lot of soldiers and cops and firemen. He's a very blue collar. Avatar at the movies which is one of the reasons why I think so successful. The difference here is that this is a slightly. This is certainly more elevated movie and he gets all the best lines you know. He really gets to. He steals the movie in the classical sense. And it's also a role that we don't usually see in. He never plays the villain and he never almost never plays a supporting part. Yeah movies anymore. He's always the lead and he. I believe he was nominated for an Oscar for this. Yeah probably should one He totally walks away with the movie. Whenever he's in the sequence even if he's just naturally occurring rainy said I don't I wouldn't go so far. Say the movie doesn't Work Without Him. But if you don't have this major irritant through the first two thirds of the movie. It doesn't have the same energy. Yeah and he's also really funny. It's a it's a similar case of like I don't. I think he knows in this case these being funny. He knows that he's got the best lines. He knows that he's chewing him. Baldwin together going back and forth. You know your father. I probably could've played the Damon Aurelio role and the movie would have a whole conversation about how Leo shouldn't be in. This movie which I know is like heretical. Say and I know Sean. Just had his thing but it is very funny. When you talk about the departed you talk about everybody but Leo. That's all I don't okay. Well that's you guys. You talk that you think like Damon and Wahlberg and machine. Yes I mean. I don't think they I don't think can play a role because I don't think he has enough. You know emotional. He's not really operating on like any of the levels that you need to play that he is better when he just gets to say all the funny lines but I think he could have played like every other supporting part in this movie. You know it would be funny to see like that that scene of Baldwin Dame and Walberg in the conference room but while we're just doing all of this Walberg in the viewer for me apart from says no that's right that'd be pretty good The depart is a great movie. It's it's weird because I think it really reminds me of the fact that no matter what happens. He's still is be team to Damon and Leo though. It's almost like an evocation of what Chris was saying where he's like acting in a way that shows if only I could get to a place where I could be a part of a movie like this at the top of the poster and even though he's made a lot of respectable movies the department is I mean I don't know. Is it the biggest movie that he's been a part of just not just from the box office perspective or the critical perspective but kind of taking all into account? I bet this this probably the other guys are going to talk about. Would be the consensus. Yeah you know the consensus one. It's the peak for us because we're looking for like a complicated layered performance. I think there are a lot of people who just want. Who WANT UNCOMPLICATED? They want mild twenty two or whatever I guess. They didn't want mall twenty two because no one saw. But just want someone who is sincere. And you know yelling when you need to yell and saving people when you need to be saved. And I don't have to worry too much about it and I think we consider Damon Leo to be much greater actors. Do you think like if you just did a popularity contest would well we're GOIN' Damon verse? Wahlberg like just a straw poll of like. Yeah you WanNa see a movie you WanNa see a Walberg movie like I. I don't know and good question and I I know where we three stand and probably most of the people listening to this but I think that Walberg is just like the uncomplicated movie star for the last twenty years. I think demons even though he's quite complicated but in his performances in and the type of movies that he's making I think Damon is made more massive hits but also taken more chances and waller has been almost like Metronomic in his career. He's always in mainstream movies. You know even Iheart Huckabee's that's still like that was released by a studio. Just Bizarre Damon was in Jerry Demons on some odd stuff. He Co promised. Land here so I don't know it's a IT'S A. It's a good question that we'll never know the answer to unless we ask people who was your number one. Yeah and departed. Was your number two. The departure was my number. Three number two man has to tell us her number two right now. My number two is putting nights. This is my number one incident. Make my list. That's that's why you're here. I still find him the I find him. One of the most interesting parts of boogie nights is is that not the point. Sure it is. I'M NOT GONNA put it on my top five Mark Wahlberg. Because of that turned you off was at the scene where he was asked to furiously masturbate in a truck. That turn you off get out. There's nothing about boogie nights. It makes me uncomfortable okay. Oh that's like your comfort zone grape good job. Why boogie nights? It's obviously so essential to the to the meth of mark. Wahlberg and is obviously a great movie. And we don't really have to talk about their prosthetic but I do think in rewatching it. He is really natural even in the scenes where he's supposed to be performing and being a natural or inauthentic he never looks like he's trying and I watched a Lotta Mark. Wahlberg movies where it looks like he's trying and and you can tell and it's always a little uncomfortable so there is just something very impressive about what. Pta was able to get out of out of him in this performance. It definitely feels like a choice. That Paul Thomas Anderson made to almost some of the things that we think about Mark Wahlberg. We think he's like a handsome undeveloped physical specimen we think that he might be a little bit dim and also. He's a little self conscious about being dim. You know. I think some of his best stuff in the movies like him flipping out at his mom. And I'm not stupid or him flipping out on Jack and getting into a fight with him outside the pool. Like let's Go Jack. You know I'm ready to fuck like that whole sequence the really like emotional and difficult stuff that he doesn't move. I think some of the best stuff he's ever done and asks a lot of him in the same way that the David Russell movies ask a lot of him. But also through a lot of the movie he is doing that similar kind of coasting along as he doesn't yards as this naive dough walking through the forest of iniquity. You know like that's really what. Boogie nights is what happens. An innocent is shepherded into like the most sinful experience you could possibly have. This is to me dramatic version of other guys that you were talking about where it's just like. I watch this moving on like you're getting absolutely crop. Dusted Hoffman. More cheeto like everybody like it's one of the great casts ever assembled so I just never ever really think about his performance in it. What about these things heat? That's yeah that's cool one thing I do like about it though is that it is a movie in a way it's about Mark Wahlberg being a star and it boasts is examining everything that came before it with the Marky mark and the Calvin Klein of at all. But we've spent a lot of this podcast trying to be like why is Mark Wahlberg a famous movie star? And how does this happen? And and what forces need to conspire and this is a very dark version of that but it is definitely in exploring the different parts of his personality whether it is that kind of lockhead charm or the anger and also understands how unlikely it is so I do find that interesting so you don't find this movie that we watchable. No I just said that he i. If we're doing great Paul Thomas Anderson. Movies are great movies from like Sir. I obviously is going to be on there. It's just specifically for him. He is not. This is not my top five so most reliable mark Wahlberg movies. According to Chris Ryan Mild twenty two. Contraband the Perfect Storm. Didn't make my list head to the other guys. Maybe running eighteenth or nineteenth is boogie nights. We'll know we still have to do your number one the happening no m night. Shaw Milan's master. If you're not going to say what I think you're going to say I'M GONNA say Iraq our number one mark. Wahlberg movies the gamble. Yes time to go for your thing. I'm not this is not a bit. You need to exceed what the whereas in fourteen of film was released. All the gambler. And it is a remake of a seventies James Caan Movie. It is directed. This new version was directed by Rupert. Wyatt you know. I think he did Plano Doesn't matter Mark Wahlberg is in mark. Wahlberg plays an English professor at a school. Who is the Siona very moneyed? La Family who is in crippling debt to multiple gangsters across Los Angeles and this film involves him giving very long monologues about the authenticity of Shakespeare's authorship of his plays talking about the nature of tennis. Emory Cohen engaging. In a long romance with Brie Larson who is his student and ultimately some very illogical blackjack games it is one of the most bizarre literary like philosophical and self immolating movies. I've ever seen Hollywood managed to produce in this century and we talk about like mark. Wahlberg had it. He was really interested in making good movies. I think he thinks this was going to be like the move he was like. This is my Oscar movie. He made this movie with William Monahan. Who wrote the departed and Walberg would later appear in Mojave which is just domed William Monahan movie. That came out a couple of years later and I think it's kind of unique and it's just got is a movie with such a dark rotten soul. I at times think that Mark Wahlberg is doing his lines phonetically like I don't think he understands the words he is saying. It's almost like when you watch the happening. And he's like the wind. It might be in the trees and you're just like somebody is like a person from like the North Pole wiring in the lines into an earpiece while he says these lines but he and the gambler he's talking about like searcher and he's talking about like existentialism and he's just like talking about like this characters like how he saw something about Sarah and that's why he's teaching and it's just like you have to see this movie to believe it the blackjack scenes are fucking incredible. Because mathematically even they don't track like even just like how did this happen with you had sixteen and you hit you know but it's it's easily my favorite will mark. Wahlberg movie and one of my favorite movies of the last ten years to ask you something. Where do you think that Mark Wahlberg stance on the Shakespeare authorship theory not the character Mark Wahlberg he says in this movie character said Mark Wahlberg? I mean I think he he wonders about Marlowe just like all of us. You know keeps them up at night if he ever went to sleep at night so it keeps them up during the day. I I wouldn't normally do this but I actually would just provide you an additional ninety to one hundred and eighty seconds to keep talking about the gambler if you want to. There's a scene in this movie. Were John Goodman who is cleanly shaven very bald and is in a steam bath but mark. Wahlberg in the steam bath with him wearing a full suit and John Goodman literally explains all you need to know about how to get over in America is just like you gotta own your House and get a good roof with twenty year mortgage. You buy yourself an economical car. And that's fuck you. I believe he describes it as a Japanese indestructible shit box. That's the kind of car you by. Michael K Williams is in this movie. He's pretty good really grasping for straws now. I it's just like weird miracle of movie. It is a weird Miracle Jessica Lang places mother. The the opening forty five minutes to an hour are magical. I think that the indicated false party let me talk about his haircut is it a haircut is a wig. I don't I don't know I mean he's doing like the literary. Yeah like Liberal Arts College fantasy just like let it go. I don't thinks Sean Tear would do that. Because your hair is a bit Coarser somehow it wouldn't flop in the same way. That's a good thing. I grew up with a lot of like hair floppy boys in Atlanta Georgia. It's not something that you want to be. A part of can't relate. Yeah I think my the back half of my life will be about pursuing that hair end questions of Shakespeare's authorship. I think I got to get to the bottom of that. This movie does have one of the all-time great tag lines. Which is the only way out is all in. I gotTa Live Your Life. Pod This is your list is insane. I I know that you're doing this in a slightly transformative fashion. I think that these are more fun when we have some like just a little bit of like Dave King. Salt on it. We'll tinguely salt but I tried to bring up Rangel on podcast and you guys were like each shit. You fucking corn dog. Yes and then you're like it's the gambler and the professional gambler. If somebody drew the Gambler I wouldn't be into it if the Gambler gambler was a frog. And he's like I like blackjack like how would you get like that? I'm doing a frog leg. Okay yeah works as a podcast. There's cameras on us. I guess I'm kind of going to understand what you're doing. You're t-rex like a raptor playing cards. And you think that that's how the frog's leg works if I was drawing the frog if there are any Industrious listeners of this show who've made it this far into this hell scape of a podcast And you could recreate link. Dogs playing poker painting with five wrangles playing poker. Please send it to me. I'll pay for it You Guys WanNa talk about runners up. Chris. Maybe you shouldn't talk anymore Chris. Amanda do you have any runs up? Well I already mentioned the Calvin Klein ads and we talked about The other guys. What's your favorite peoper Mark Wahlberg Patriots Day? That's an Patriots Day. I'm not a bad movie. I know I have to be honest. I can't really tell them apart. My head at this Point Patriots. Day is about the Boston Marathon bombing. Oh God what is in is about the deepwater. Remember tragedy kind of reserve survivors. He's he's an Afghanistan okay. It doesn't go well no to any of them go. Well yeah I I have seen those movies and I couldn't tell you I think they all exist to me and kind of like Mark Wahlberg is doing mark. Wahlberg things and good luck to him. Yeah I like Painting Gain I. That's also a time when somebody was like I need to get a pump in. That's the real mark Wahlberg. You know where he really is just like kind of a muscle lung head charm. I think Amanda said I think that's exploiting that I wanted to walk out of painting again and I wasn't allowed to what about the Italian job. It's good I like the Italian job but I don't know if he is the Shining Star of the Italian job you know you're talking about Ted I've never seen it. That's interesting You really really don't like animals that talk. It's probably the single biggest hit that he's made. It's really on his shoulders. I guess South McFarland Shoulders and people love this movie. We get asked to do this. Movie on their watchable frequently. I wouldn't say that I love it I don't hate it. I just thought it was pretty funny the first time I saw it. I I said to you guys. I guess. Last week that I remembered thinking was very funny and then I went back to watch clips ready to put it on my list and be provocative or whatever and I didn't find it as funny the second time around and I don't know whether to some I'm going to be very honest. I tried what changed. Well I can't really reheat comedy. You know so. Some of it was just kind of like okay. I guess I've seen this bear. He's talking he's very foul I actually do find the bear. Funnier THAN MARK. Wahlberg in this. I don't really know what to say about that. Makes Sense and so that was another reason to not put it on this list Watch ables the what has an aged the best would be. The comedies are always longer. And what has an age? The best this one is. I don't know. Is there a number one thing that hasn't needed to the best in Ted? All all of the jokes are just kind of like. I haven't seen it predatory sex stuff for like Jisr everywhere you know. That's pretty much it between this dirk. This has been a very GIS centric podcast honestly. We were very respectful things. Consider sure can I decide a couple of things in the mark? Wahlberg what the Fox owned before we wrap this up. Just keep talking or I would love for you to keep talking. I just needed you to chill for a minute In Two Thousand Fifteen Walberg recruited Sean Combs and Ronald Burkle to join him in investing in aqua hydrate a bottled water brand that. Walberg discovered yes. That was a great phrase on the wikipedia page discovered like found. This is remorse. No I think he was just kind of like I like this and then you know. Everybody wants to make money off water. After heidrick title water I think have you guys seen aqua hydrate out there in the stores have never seen it in my life. That's one of those things that like. Dan Get SOLTA. Coca-cola Cola for like eighty million dollars right Perhaps one year later Walberg together with former. Gnc Executive Tom Dowd. Co-founded performance inspired a sports nutrition company. I think some of those youtube videos. You Really Love. Those videos consume protein powder no protein. I don't know what could be happening with you at home. Okay guy more for you. In February twenty seventeen Walberg was one of the investors who took part in a six million dollar funding round for stock axe a sneaker resale marketplace that is pretty meaningful to some of the people that work here at the ring that one of the good sneaker that is one of the signatures okay. On July twentieth two thousand Eighteen Walberg his business partner J Feldman announced the purchase of Bobby Layman Chevrolet in Columbus Ohio. The dealership was renamed. Mark Wahlberg Chevrolet in March Twenty Nineteen Walberg bought a stake in the F. Forty five fitness franchise. He's a sprinkling his his his cash around. Yeah he's diversifying in a fascinating way. And then of course the Walberg is franchise. Which is I guess owned by multiple members of his family according to the wall Burgers Pedia page. It is owned by chef. Paul Walberg and his brothers Actors Donnie Wahlberg and Mark. Wahlberg for those guys all getting along. I haven't really caught. Maybe we'll do a sequel. This pod the top five while burgers episodes top-five Walberg menu items. Have you ever eaten it all burgers? No no what are they. Serve their okay. All right has been a useful exercise guys. Have we learned anything about Mark Wahlberg? What a strange career. What a strange presence in Hollywood. Yeah I I would say that at the end of this. I know what I like about Mark Wahlberg and I also there is something unreachable about him to me personally and that might be the honestly might be Mark Wahlberg has made like billions of dollars off of movies and weird hydrate. Yeah I'M GONNA go look for a hydrate now. Chris Ryan amended almonds. Thank you for doing this. Please stick around. Here's my conversation with the filmmaker. Kelly Reichardt I'm joined by one of the best living filmmakers in the world. Kelly Reichardt how are you? I'm well you too much too strong as a lot of the introduction one of my favorites at least. I'm glad you're here. Thanks for having me. I was really happy to see that you in John. Raymond were getting back together on a project Obviously you guys are longtime friends and you've written films together interesting. That first cow is essentially not a patient of his first novel. So why did this movie come about after the book was published a long time ago? And you've done other work since then. It will the half-life the novel spans for decades and there's a They get on a ship and they go to China and somehow For my then thirty thousand dollar budgets. I just couldn't pull it off So we did old joy instead Yeah we just we've been thinking about it forever but just not really seeing the way into doing it and you know because I I really like Getting into a short story Nobel or something that we can expand and extend in the room to create new stuff and this just seemed like it would just be extracting extracting but Somehow we broke the code. We the novel swings back and forth between nineteen eighty eighteen hundreds and We settled on like we created a sort of prologue and then settled into the eighteen. Hundreds part of the story and John Fused to characters together to to make King Lou. And then somehow came up with the vehicle. The cow which is not doesn't exist in the novel in the not sort of lead us once we had our sort of heist that happens we We could just then I could. Just we could work off that and get in there. And there was room to sort of expand and add and those sorts of things and still have the themes of the novel Through the the Could come in using a beaver. Trade the for trade as a as a means to get to this same things. John's talking about in the novel. You predicted my next question. Which is how did you figure out how to completely redefine the I mean? It's very different from the book and a lot of ways and it's kind of like I'm on John Raymond's book tour right now while he is what in New York seeing are flying home viewed as kids get. Yes that's how it should be. You know. Yeah have you guys collaborate. I mean I'm always interested when people write a movie together. What does it mean I always ask? People are back to back in a room. You know banging away at a laptop together now Well you know actually It's different for every film. I will say that I am not. I don't deal with the blink page You know Even women I worked. When I worked with Miley Malloy. She just sorta gave me let me have my way with her work and she was. She didn't want to be involved But Jonah were we talk on the phone like we're deep in each other's lives so It's an ongoing conversation and sometimes it starts with a something it has. Some of them have started with things she had already written. Some of them started from ideas we had and we went and location and wrote an outline and then he did a first pass and An kicked it back to me. I mean almost all John Does the first pass and gets the voices down and the main theme points and his magic of Being able to talk about bigger things through small ways and then I get in and sort of add what we call the surface funk to steal a phrase from Manny Farber and And there's room to you know create new characters and work off of a I mean still such a different time medium. Then you know it's so based in time then how a a novel or Short Story Works and also sometimes John's writing for the internal and then you know I'll be figuring out a physical is something but I would say the depth of things and the Over all it's kind of a privileged place from my point of someone gives you something really fabulous than you can have your way with it and get in there and Do your thing and he You know I don't know he were close so you know he likes looking at casting tapes and stuff like that and then we might an auto location scouting and all those things might and four start to inform the script an And Yeah it's like a long process but even before that happens before you decided to make this your next movie. Let's say you finish certain women do you. Are you actively charting? Course say I know I wanNa do this kind of moving next door? I know I WANNA do this next or is it now. It's just more that when I'm doing this part I before I go out and do this part of Talking about a movie I do like waking up and having a project to work on in If like the phone rang John. Calling to talk about the other thing will. It's nice to you know like first cows done now. There's actually did you talk about it so just to have something that's more actual To be made in your mind is nice. A we started doing some scouting just to do some preliminary research were for example for the thing. We're thinking about now It's usually soon after. I'm done editing like I'll go back to Portland and we'll start You know the drop after from me. It's been a long ride because I'm shooting the film and editing the film and And by the time I'm done with it I wanNA step on to like I don't want to complete drop into nothingness like I want to have something to wake up and think about so we start you know. I don't know we took some trips and looked at some stuff and started. Have some ideas? Yeah one of the things I like about first cow and it's consistent with a lot of your other films is really story about comic unspoken friendship and as you talk about the way that you and John Collaborate to in the way that you guys are talking all the time. Seems like there's a real through line there between this sort of understanding between two people. Obviously this film opens with the William Blake quote. I assume that's something that you guys are talking through a lot through over the years as the third during the making of these films. She's a lot of talking Yeah and then there's I mean for cows. Nice 'cause you won't neil carpet and he's johnny made Six films with them the producers who really are the guys that go out and have to figure out how these films on these budgets. Can you know they're usually not the easiest to reach places and so they You know like it's an ongoing relationship with them and then And they get involved really early and Chris Blah Bell who you know. I've been working with Chris Bob out the cinematograph persons Meek's cutoff and also I've been working with Chris Carroll Assistant Director since Meek's cutoff and so the little triangle of the to Chris's myself near the camera. That's a good You know it like I really felt sort of the payoff for the Investment in these relationships on this film like just getting stuff Just sorta getting stuff right. I mean certain women was actually such hard film in so physically difficult so cold and such long days and It was just a like when we're done with it. We were all like you know. Sort of lick okay. This is all great. Let's go do something else. Take a break like I would also not be easy to do. It's so wasn't your ears and they're all a lot of exteriors but it wasn't the level certain women was the level of coal. There is no dressing four if you're going to be standing outside for eighteen hours a day and we're shooting film and because the altitude and the coldness or some issues with the lenses and And also I didn't realize how underestimate how hard it would be too. It was like making three different films. Like as soon as you're done with a film a new cast was coming and it was I mean I remember early on in prep of Of certain women I I was like I'm not going to get all stressed out this time. I'm going to like I think I got this. And the shirt right and But then you know we all sort of We figured out a lot of things about you. Know like nothing stays static. And it's a ever evolving thing of how lake Keep working together and All of us and You know sort of be able to have these adventures with each other but first cow was. It was the first time I ever shot five day weeks. It was which was amazing. The difference between shooting five days into shooting every day more money thing in it pushed us into It was like a full union. So there wasn't. There was no option for shooting a Twenty Hour Day. Like you had to go home and it was like. Oh I'm going home. That was wonderful and An Irish and I I was living in Port. I could go to my. It was for some everyone home at night for most of the film like some of it was on location. But Mo- most of it. I was going home at night and having just the days in between to think was so huge. And or go to the location with the to Chris's and they would play out the parts of cooking King Lou from me. Why can like set my shots and all and just feeling really 'cause like someone's shooting outside locations keep changing you know. You're like shoot on a shoreline on the shoreline disappears because the water got rate. Like you know natural things happen that keep you constantly having to swap things up and So it was just nice to have those Days to at an hours at night to think I wasn't. You know in certain woman I if I eat this potato. That's an hour less sleep. That's going to be ten minutes less sleep than I can have. And so you know it wasn't found it is thirty to thirty degrees in rain is completely manageable. That's fine I take that. Do you think the inverse was true during Wendy and Lucy or joy where shooting every day and feeling more desperate to complete. Something could have helped. That's a romantic. A view that I you know how to make a what. You don't have Work for you and you know in these those were films about scarcity and somehow whatever you're making a film about you end up living like you know you end up in the desert with crazy bruce. Green you know Greenwood and or whatever the desert with him hopefully. Yeah but you know but you know it like you end up living like John you know. He kept being like he'd be nice. Like I'm GonNa write a love stories. You can live through something else besides and I yeah. I don't like that you know so whatever. This was great because this was a story about friendship and somehow it was I think with the film is about did help but also having a little bit. More of a budget helped A lot just be honest about it. It was an means obviously still small budget film but it was just a yeah Yeah the scarcity and the other Wendy and Lucy. She doesn't have a net to operate in neither. Did we you just constantly. Every day felt like the whole thing could fall apart in meek's cutoff. That was certainly true just like Oh my God is. Can we ever can this film? Are we ever you know. Can we make this film and no one will die and we'll all go home with a happen? It was just you know we're stretched too thin to point of things being too dangerous really. I just. I would never do that foam again. You've talked a lot about that gap between river of grass and joy more the years and is it significantly easier for you to get a film made now yes like how does feel if feels like ages trump being a woman. I mean almost you know I mean small. I mean I still have to. I guess stay museum but I in fairness you know I am making films Abou- You know I made a just made a film with like not very well known actors about someone stealing milk from a cow like the anybody is letting me make that film. You know whoever you are. That's a lucky thing and I think what happened was In the nineties not The nineties not being particularly welcomed place for Women in the INDIE film world Made ME HALF. Delake wore a gave me a decade to keep studying film which is probably good and But it also made me have to think of new ways to work and so this sort of system making films that I'm doing now you know grew out of having a two person crew and shooting on Super Eight. And then a four person crew on and shooting sixteen with old or sick to actors for crew and then thirteen people on Wendy and Lucy and it was. It's been a very gradual lake from the outside kind of world which has ended up Being very pleasing and Put me in this World of you know. I don't know what it would have been like if someone would have thrown a bunch of money at me in the nineties. I really feel like I'm suited for these stories that I'm telling that are Of more ally person to get into the minutiae of things and the small moments and And also it led to me teaching out which has actually been really helpful for my filmmaking in that community where I teach at Bard College this film dedicated to Peter Hutton who I taught with for ten years there and who was just kind of mentored all of us and just overall interesting person to talk about film with and I I just Yet all KINDA led to Nice places you know. They are that Yeah it's been a really lucky decade from me for making films and being able to teach with a group of people I really like working with. Do you see yourself now looking at body of work and sort of what your because you teach and yet so much of teaching filmmaking and film history is about the arc of certain filmmakers careers in the arc of I don't know what decades representing teach that. I'm not teaching I'm teaching production. So were And it's kind of a funky film program it's like I'm I'm like the big sellout not program. It's a IT'S A it's A. It's I mean it's pretty avant-garde still it's really kind of dinosaur and you know people shooting on Bowl X.'s and I'm more in the Were more talking about the frame and things like that. My classes and to me teaching is a way to step outside of my own filmmaking and be an other the you know it's not like sound like I'm making my class. Watch my films for crying out loud. You know. We don't do that So you know it's way now it that someone else can do it. No it's you know you're looking at their work and showing them Things might not have been turned onto and But were yeah. It's I'm not teaching the classes where you're looking at the Expanse of a you know like you're talking about like the it's more like how does a camera new why? What's the framed to the students? Refer to your work and ask you about that stuff in the classroom interesting. Why do you think that is turn to me no? I just think it's just not the thing like I've probably not Sending out the signal but I I don't think they I mean you know Who wants a someone teaching their classes? Just talking about their own staff drag professor. I've ever had though there is some so. You're sleeping very modest. I've been I I don't I mean I'm sharing my ideas of how I think about the frame and when how I WANNA I wanNA move a cameron sharing Everything is far as Believe me I'm like pounding on my opinions on but I'm not a Yeah I mean there's I mean really the films we look out it in my causes really not at all like my films. You know just going back. I know you mentioned you. Made the film of two fairly unknown actors. I'm wondering how you landed on. John McGowan Orion Lee as your as your leads Gail Keller the very fabulous casting person. Who was so heroic in this movie? mckerrow was sort of on everyone's radar a little bit he'd been using. Carol and so Rudin had done a lot of plays with them. Rudin works with. Milan is a big fan of his when I saw him like in the SORTA lineup of faces and things are getting And I started skyping with them and also I was just like Oh my God. This is really into him. He's just He just seem so cookie to me as far as He's pretty cookie. He's got like a way. He likes to cook but also he just He seemed not what you would would find in a western. He's not you know He has really He'll like a kobe pain. He looks Kobe himself. He looks like you know you And so I thought it would be you know but he was an easy when I called Scott about him in. Eli they were just They were totally into it. It was like nod a I mean yes like okay. You're going to this. It's going to be this size film. Then you know if you're okay with that yes sure so and then Orion it was a really hard long search. You know saw hundreds of people and Orion probably did about four readings and he just kept You know when we began. We didn't have. He was in London and we were skyping law and he didn't have like we didn't have like culture a lot of cultural references to land on. He he's watches movies. That are you know really different than I would And he certainly didn't know my films and we didn't you know it wasn't like We could just breeze into So it was more of a process if you're watching like Chinese cinema or like fast and furious movies the latter. Okay Yeah I forget what his first example of? A buddy movie was dude. Where's My car? You could ask them. I can't remember but it's like he'll be strikes Ed and I make okay. He He he kept doing readings a really interesting and he was just so Yeah he was just so present and He just kept making an impression and it just kept sort of he just kept never being off the. I just kept going back to his readings all the time and but I didn't really you know. See them together until they were in Oregon and Suddenly you know we don't really. I don't really have time to have people hang around for a long time. So they came and we put them right into April Napier. The costume designers a little machine time machine and it came out in their costumes. And we sent them off in the woods together with the survivalist friend of Neil COPs our producer. Who happened to be someone who had studied the Chinook wa Wa jargon which is what they're what Orion speaking At the end there when he's in when he takes the canoe down the river Erin Lily Gladstone and Gary Farmer all speaking not and So we sent them off with the survivalist. You had some like frozen squirrels in his freezer and they learned how to squirrel and make a try and start a fire without matches and all that good stuff and lived out in the rain for a few days and So we did that. In lieu of rehearsing and Yeah is that common? You don't usually rehearse now is that has ever been a moment when to actors showed up in costume on set for the First Time. And you're like Oh this isn't gonNA work. No I'm not going to work for reasons of like maybe like this person is not understanding what they're getting into by being in this movie kind of work like this isn't the movie they you know. I felt that in Meeks. I felt like That was You know the thing of like what a Western is when the person who has all the lines in the movie isn't really getting the close up and the close ups going to the person who's listening then Depending on who you are as the director people just think like she doesn't know she autos in which is doing you know. And that's not how Westerns are done. And we haven't even shot at sunset wants you know so so I've thought like This person thinks movie than I think. They're in before but Is that something? That's not on the page Literali. I wasn't in the page. Like the guy was not his face. Instead of yeah. I wasn't on the page and I probably could have been you know probably should have been more upfront with that in the beginning but Also you know you have ideas of like I'm GonNa tell us from this perspective and you're you're not like with the actors until you're there and you're not you know. I could sit out in the desert with my view finder which I did forever but then I don't have a an oxen and wagon until the day I have an oxalate hanging. So you know you're finding something's out as you go but yeah. I probably could've articulated all a little better in hindsight from the start instead of it being like a big surprise everybody. It's interesting that you were mentioning when you talk to. Scotney lie about going with Jon. Then the conversation being well this is going to be a movie at this size ultimate instead of that and your last three four five movies have been with pretty big movie stars. Yeah they're still on the scale. Does that change anything creatively for you? Then when they're like okay. This is now a little smaller than you expected. It will re honestly. This was my biggest budget which is now. Small budget to most people is my biggest budget. But yeah there were not these name actors. I mean Michelle Williams's and Wendy and Lucy. She's like sitting on the side of the curb all day long with no trailer or something So it's weird the way that's worked out no he they just mean more that I mean the thing about making movies assizes. You have a lot of freedom. Nobody's like nobody comes to set to look at what we're doing nobody's Mike. I'm in the editing room by myself or my my editing assistant and brings friends into look at cuts. But it's not like anybody's really. It's just your your hands really free. It's not it's not worth any you know. Not The people don't care but nobody's like hanging over my Aren't these it doesn't have to meet these goals or certain standards of anything So He he just means accepting that this this is you know in this part of that. I'm in now that it's going to have this kind of a release versus some other kind released but I don't know eight. Twenty four is out there with the movie and it's all been good So yeah I haven't felt some sacrifice for it. I I I loved working with these guys and Yeah it was. It was interesting like from moment we started it was just. Wow this is really. These guys are interesting together. So a couple more filmmaking questions for you I noticed I re-watch music's before what for cow Gan in these shoot in the dark a lot? Yes and that's kind of a no no for quote unquote mainstream filmmaking. And I like how you're kind of fearless about and it's not gonna be able to see anything. Maybe the face Okay is that difficult to do? Just it should just be just see. The phase problem with that is like there is like there are some versions of night moves out there on the DVD or something. Where just literally concede? That's because it was clear. I Okay I how maybe just because of the period of time when they're taking place no it's just you know what it is. It's usually maybe a director will be like let's go darker and then you have your goes like well. We're not in the zone. We can't doctor but me and Chris Blofeld both like. Let's go down there in like we don't. There's neither of us that like toes. The line of like we do go in the color time in the guy. You're like well your way under the standard of So I like the darkness. Were there some lauded. Dark scenes So yeah we we have to pull each other back a little bit from the darkness but it's not a criticism. I know I know I liked darkness. Do but the floating head faces that I'm not into you. Know I like there to be some depth than the darkness Intellectually as it just sort of. In keeping with the naturalism. They are going for in the performances in the in the in the setting of the film's. Yeah naturalism such a weird word. Because yeah I don't always feel like everything so you know I don't I mean in the performances. Yeah there is more of a naturalism but I Not to go down that rabbit hole. Bit it's Yeah I mean darkness. No no you're it's you know it's all it's a but much of the stories take place at night there's people creeping `round at night and And the nighttime so you know. I mean like in in Meeks the idea was like in the is incredibly bright days and then the darkness would come to be like the Dazer loud because of the wagons and bright. And then you'd have this like complete darkness and You know just candlelight and firelight and real silence and so that contrast seemed important but And of course night moves. They're sneaking around. They gotta do that at night. So Yeah there's just happens to be a lot of Night scenes in these Films that sometimes. I don't even really realize until we're breaking it down and Chris Carroll says the Assistant Director I work with all the time is like showing me the breakdown like you know. Three quarters of the movies at nine. Oh Yeah I knew I mean. It's almost like a cat movie set in the eighteen twenties. I I really like it Likewise like the I mentioned the exteriors earlier and being outside all the time and that being a recurrent theme in a lot of your films to is there a specific reason that you find yourself? Continue to tell stories that are taking place not in rooms with people talking right. Yeah well I'm not interesting shooting people talking for sure but You know in the beginning you know things that started out in the beginning were like when I first wrote John. Raymond said you have short stories like that could take place outside. Because I knew I didn't have any crew or lights And in likewise I would start edited the films because we couldn't afford a editor and so and then it just became. I got used to shooting outside and I remember in night moves. There's like a kitchen scene. It was like a hadn't shot inside for really long time. It was just like four walls and I was so stumped. It was a panic. I was just like I don't know how to shoot inside a block it yeah. I just couldn't figure out how to make that room work and I was Really thrown by and so I for certain women. I was actively lake. I gotta get inside sometimes figure this out deal with some interiors and then on a first cowl. This was the first time that I was able With Tony Kasparov the production designer. To plot out my shots and build the hutches according to sort of what I wanted which I know people do that all the time but I had never got up before is really fun Yeah so You know a lot of it has to do with the you know everything goes back. These stores were telling that in you know a lot of them do have to do with you. Know like in First cow sort of this the seeds capitalism in versus the natural world and this question of these things coexisting and so So yeah a lot of the outside a lot. It's only my crew wants to go inside but they would definitely like to go to a warmer climate. I think understandable with that in mind and I guess since this is the biggest film that you've made do you aspire to do something bigger even even if it's outside of the kind of typical Hollywood expectations that come around that like is there a bigger version of your kind of film eager. How like this is pretty expense. This is like talking about capitalism and the beginning of time and just what happened to a region user big topics medically. I think maybe just in terms of because you mentioned in the John's book it is it takes time there's potentially is something you know. Wool I really I. Time is like the question I could. I make a film that spans years. I don't know if I if I it doesn't it's not like really what I'm drawn to The thing we're working on now again. It's like okay. Here's two weeks You know because you can really get in deep and I like the little stuff. I like. The you know like how many chores can you show someone doing if you have to like? Tell their whole life story. You know so. I don't know you know never say I'm all up for having a more money to spend sure you know much probably have different. Yeah you have to Yeah you have to It's hard to tell personal stories of in you know it always seems like a sinking ship in this is end. But somehow it keeps chugging along that these you know not mind is like the personal stories due out but it's a You know when I always say like when I walk through down the aisle of the airplane and I look at what everyone's looking at him just like. Oh my God. How do we ever get to make any of these films at all? Is kind of a miracle but Yes so it. It's cool while last. Yeah who knows But I don't have a I mean. Usually when things come. They're bigger. It's like they're coming. They're like here's thing that comes with. You know this is attached. And this it's already at a certain stage as opposed to And you've never really done the. I've never done that. I've never I can't imagine yeah I haven't I've always worked from the very beginning and Until the end and not I've never like come on something that's already developed in a way or already and I totally idea and so. Yeah it's not. I like the early stages so because you serve your masters in those circumstances will yeah. There's already people will also just like how you figure out like. I like like how you figure out what you're making and what you WanNa make and you just discovering a world and how you're GONNA get at it and all those things would already be decided for you and And it should already be like voices like I duNno. It's just It's just a different process that I haven't yet tried the good segue what you're saying about looking at the movies and when you're in the aisle and the air the airplane The end of the show by asking filmmakers. What's the last great thing they've seen? Oh Oh you know. I saw this film when I was just Austin New York. A little while ago did As really just trying it was pouring down rain and I went into film form and and there was this film. Midnight Traveller Yes Lang Ramona. Rewrite documentary it's Sean. On cell phones I was like well last at this for ten minutes. I'll just sit here until the rain stops and I got so taken with it and then I thought I hope everyone sees this movie. It's about a husband and wife who are both filmmakers and the Taliban put a hit out on him in there Sort of on the run with two kids. And they're filming their life In and out of camps and trying to get some kind of asylum and In Australia or the US. And you're just You're just on this incredible journey with them. But the filmmaking is so lyrical and has an beautiful moments of a married couple and their kids and what. It's like to be a kid and just growing up with no stability. How you you know. There's a scene of the daughter. Just listening to her iphone in some camp dancing to Michael Jackson Song or just like. Wow you know like pop culture sneaks in and just a completely unexpected all the time to me and I'm really gracefully shot I think oscilloscope. How's IT AND I just yeah I really. I really Duggan's recommendation. Kellyanne for doing. Yeah thanks for having me. Thanks again to Kelly record. Thanks of course to Amanda Dobbins and Chris Ryan next week on the big picture will be talking about the new Pixar release onward see them.
Dopey 201: Devan and the Chrismiss Addendum
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If you WANNA get stickers or hats just if you WANNA t shirt or a hoodie go to dopey PODCASTS GAS DOT COM and don't forget dopey con is around the corner. It's going to be alive storytelling event. We want your stories submit at your best story to dope podcast at gmail.com keep it under ten minutes and be prepared to come to New York to tell it dope become October twelve. We're going to sell tickets for like five bucks just to know who's coming so I'll let you know when enough with the ADS already. Here's this show four hello and welcome welcome to. Dopey The podcast about drugs addiction and dumb shit and I'm Dave and it's the two hundred first episode and I brought in one of my very the very best friends longtime collaborator and friend Devon and not to be confused with Devon Karachi the TV TV and film critic who spells his name D. V. I N. welcome back Devon. Thank you and Dan was on dopey years ago. It's true who was a stormy Tuesday this day night and we were on the lower side and Devon braved the elements and came over to record with me and Chris yeah he was in your old apartment your newest old department yes with Chris and it was nice. I bet you didn't realize how big the show. Oh would get congratulations on two hundred that his amazing the funny thing is like I was like Devin. You're going to have to listen to the to under the episode to do the show and he was like it's almost three hours long. I now just the regular. Our plus is a lot for me well but you you listen to it. I did I listen to the whole thing. I finished it this morning on my way or and thoughts. Let's do a little recap of the two hundred I for for my money besides my children. I think that two hundred episode of Dopey might be the best thing I ever did. It's really three good really nice yeah. What we what where's your takeaway. It's amazing that this has happened that you've managed to create this with with Chris and then keep it going so long I I mean Chris was such a driving force to keep that happening every week. I feel like you're always always you will definitely be obsessive enough to keep going but you need that other person to like. Keep the mechanical going to come to you every week to to make that kind of thing. Evan even well. It's I think it's also just to like keep me from doubting it. You know I think the reason I work with somebody on everything is because I have so many deep seated doubts and I think to have somebody else be interested. I can be like the win they can be the sale and the wind in the sails and make them like about it and then. Sam has been incredibly helpful. He's been he's been a great help to the whole thing but I did have to figure out a way to create the wind in the sails kind of thing for for yourself. Also whoever who's the guy who's sending in south who does all the editing clipped clipped things well. There's there's a guy a random guy named Craig who calls himself Worcester from Worcester Massachusetts and he he was a huge dopey fan. He's like dad had a fish head and after Kris died he just started sending in clips of the show like funny clips absorb the show and he did a series of things called Dobie chopped and screwed which were like kind of segments mostly like five or six minutes along somewhere even longer and right after Kris died kind of every episode I would plane installment of chopped and screwed. I've heard some of them. They were long though and and I knew that for the Christmas episode that we couldn't use stuff that that was so long so I asked him to do like one to two minutes and he just came through with the really. Are we good stuff. There are amazing so good. It's so it's so powerful to hear the light progression of stuff that way that but that was the one thing he did. He was like Dave. I'll what do you want and give you one to two minute things but I want to do. This thing called the evolution of dopey which was ten minutes but it would do her. That part is amazing. Yeah it was amazing to me. The most that thing was so sad at the end of it Chris's voice at the end of that thing like yeah troubled me it was like disturbing Ming Yeah but so yeah and also sent an amazing visual art visual Dobie and the funny thing about that is like he never did any before. He said that he learned how to do it for this and he just sent it in. He's like this fish guy so a lot of his a lot. Fish always always did like bonus art and Shit. I don't know anything about it but if you go to a little bit but if you go to fish scene and stuff right you'll see shirts with like kind of appropriated things and he kind of like did that for Dopey and he did it in a really cool and tasty way so we're still is great. I he's a teacher sure someplace in Massachusetts and I think me wanting his help has made him want to help a little bit less so who knows what will come from Worcester in the future here but as stuff for the two hundred though so thanks there are scraps now that I've saved for the two hundred and I you want to hear a little funny funny Johny Chris. Yes from Worcester that I didn't get to play. Yes okay here just to set the scene. This is a critic critic. Just this is something that Chris Basically when we ran out of drug stories we kind of just wanted to remember like just funny stories and and he came up with this a story which he called Francesca of course he mispronounced it as Francesca as soon as you start diamond story but that was that was Chris for you so I go look what's APP to communicate with Christina and I find this all thread from about almost two years ago in my what's happening is from Francesca and Francesco. Let's go was an Italian girl. That was an aide in the house next to where I used to live in the berkshires so she comes over the second time hanging out of there. She's she's like kind of like you know clearly into Christianity and stuff and so I bring her upstairs and I opened the door and I bring my room and it's just as bad us into bed and I see her face and she's like nervous. She's a visibly nervous about this right and so I wanNA convert down but she doesn't speak very good English so what I do is. I tapped my chest and I stay safe safe because she can't speak English well. This is funny others. Maybe tomorrow if you we'll be tired. Maybe we can see Thursday or Friday. If you can such an answer. You're such an ask her who find in your eyes sold darkness. Eh somebody probably therapists and I'm like yeah probably yeah yeah I mean it's like you listen to the set up in my mind so funny and then you listen to it and I think the reason that that was depicted is because we laugh so hard yeah. It's really funny to hear you both cracking up like that well the other thing about it is like as late at night. I it gets funny and it also it's funny to picture him like tapping his chest and saying safe the funniest thing to me though is like he thinks it's funny that people can't text properly in in English and so he laughs and laughs about that which I which I love now can't drink coffee while we're gross. I don't know I mean I used to eat. I know tire Indian opened. It sounded like it was. I know you have to bring that up. You know you know what it's called when somebody react badly to somebody eating on microphone but me so Foamy AH so try it out. We'll see how they're gonNA eat any of your dad's frozen was in defrosted banana bread but but it's early dopey nation hello in his early in the morning here in New York City mornings not my strong suit Phil restyler today. Don't raisin that this won't be glad I'm not I'm not. I have nothing to say not not talking about how the episodes going. I'm just trying to paint the scene for the people though for Dave mornings are like his time. I'm to shine but I never get to do the show in the morning which is really crazy. It's it's funny that you record at night so much because like that's you're like on your last legs. It's like there's no gas in your often delirious. You'd much rather sleep. Well my new substance you know I've gone from like opiates and Benzoate to like sugar and work. You know what I mean like. Work is the latest substance for me so this morning here is not a new addition for you but in the morning like I get up at four forty five. That's very early in the morning. I get on a you set had an alarm. Yes yes I get on a train at five forty six and the whole train right in I'm doing work for for cats is or for dopey you know and then I get to work I walk and then I work and then I just do that. You know I have family family time. When I get home and then I try to crank out the dopey at night but we had an opportunity to do it now. Yeah I mean growing up. Davey would go to sleep during having like a lot of us together hanging out or I live with Davy. Lot in towards the end of highschool. We probably talked about this in the in the other tones or anything. I might have talked about you. Devon and I have a long and storied history. We became came friends. Probably in ninth grade or eighth grade and and Devon's family had to move to Connecticut yeah they did head and then I pretty much moved out of my parent's house when I was sixteen inbetween tenth grade and eleventh grade and then eleven and twelfth upgraded came back to the city and spent half the week living with my grandma in coney island and half the week I mean living with friends but like mostly mostly here davies parents very kindly officially adopted me as their Thursday night friend. There's nights on and then we would would kind of scheme to extend that to typically at least to shoot a three nights a week. He was here a lot. Devon was here a lot and and lots of stuff got done. I mean Devon I like I don't know like I think I always had big plans and big dreams teams but I never understood like how to put any inaction until Devon and I had gotten this internship in high school in our high school. You don't graduate until or you graduated in eleventh grade. Right you explain this place we graduate but like you finished all your high school requirements armaments by eleventh grade so by twelfth grade. You're just doing electives and then you have the or you can do. An internship for credit right seems fair so like you have the choice. I don't know basically you can you can get an internship. When you're when you're in your senior year of high school so definite I like we didn't have a plan but it well so we showed up at the like registration like pre first school thing at high school and we both were supposed to have like found something over the summer to like. Hook ourselves up with federal member of we had talked about anything. I think I had to get a summer emerge. I think I was mostly at my parents that summer so I was working there and then we so I don't I mean. I don't think we must have talked. I it's hard to imagine I was really stayed there. All summer and we didn't talk about it but I think we kept putting it off putting it off but anyway I remember was showing up and seeing each other in the hall and being like okay do you you got anything in who you know and just then then someone in our grade walked past us and saw us and came over to kind of Brag about the Swede internship his family family had hooked up for him through like family friend why his father his father was a movie editor a sound editor really yeah. He did a mosquito. Oh coast and he did a bunch of movies and he had a connection. MTV and US being incredibly opportunistic. We were like well. How do how do we become interns turns. MTV So he he told us and we got the internship like that day yeah only where this guy actually did the stuff if he was supposed to do in the internship which was like logging tapes and stuff. We started just bouncing around the office and that's when my my whole like designs. Zahn success changed because I was just like if we get in front of somebody. All we have to do is talk to them and we do whatever we want and I love them. TV I I was like we should be on MTV growing up. I didn't have cable in Brooklyn where I wasn't Brooklyn until out out by coney island cheap said they over there. There was no there. We didn't have cable. I didn't have MTV growing up until like I was staying with you. Basically we had like what the hell is like their issue sixty eight which was like one of the channels on the past the thing that sometimes would show videos does and I think video music boxes are on there sometimes but like not regularly but anyway you when I when I started sleeping here. Dave would like to have the TV the on a lot like to sleep to me and just to have an MTV was on most probably right. I was very very interested in MTV when we were kids. MTV was it's pretty good. Though you know there was a lot of videos it was like the time of your TV wraps. It was like a good a good time to be interested in MTV. One hundred twenty minutes it was like pre bad. Reality shows and music videos were still pretty great and even before that they were better so like when we had the opportunity to be there and also like it was just just before all that. VH1 stuff was happening. I was obsessed with MTV as as just like rock and roll on TV and just like hip hop and the culture and uh-huh just I liked it yeah you know and so we basically started bouncing around the office right so we were working at this internship was at this like newsmagazine show it was it was a high school magazine show called like we care yeah and it was at like the subset subset of Viacom's major office not with all the mean. MTV people it was up by Columbus Circle closer to for people who would know man. Nobody knows nobody needs to know that but then so but basically it was like a fifth teen block walk down into the real one the the tower where all the like main. MTV stuff was happening and they needed people to bring back and forth tapes cassette tapes like big but bigger than usual size tapes. Weren't there a quarter inch tapes so we immediate or something else in tiered good for that because we didn't want to sit around a long tate and because we wanted to go to go and walk around and we would do that stuff they would give us they would give us two tokens tokens begins to take the train for their and back even those really close so we would pocket the tokens and we'd we'd stop and change the tokens at the arcade on the way for quarters and then we'd use some of the quarters to play video games and some of them to buy like pizza or something in between and then we'd go to MTV and we just like walk around and try and meet people and take the like free CDs freeze. ZV's the stacks of Promo CDs that were on every desk all around and it worked out and we met I mean this is going to be before most of the doping nations time but we wound up meeting Kurt loader and like hanging out with them he would smoke weed and listen to like burning spear and we'd walk in and hang out and feel close by. Are we talking story though I don't know I mean I don't know I think I wanted to tell the story because it's number one. It's like a great origin story. dopey story. There's no we was like our highschool. Drug use was not really attached to the are or MTV and we had this crazy. MTV like roller coaster ride that is like the next part of the story is this is especially as high school. Seniors was was crazy the rise and fall all in this one like year but it doesn't coincide with like our with any like high school well. I don't think there was much high school drug use at all periods you know the highschool drug use was like. I was very very very limited. You know I've talked about it. I smoked weed in senior year. I think you smoked weed before that and actually are drug. Argues actually started at the same time or do you had done. Had you done acid before now. I had not so also I mean my parents were had were stoner's through most of my childhood. They were old hippies and I think that that made me start smoking pot later than peop- deep than others. I feel like that was because there are people it all sounds like when I met people out in the suburbs who are like smoking to be cool or like they're like feel like clearly clearly presenting themselves as cooler because they were smoking and I was like well. That's what my parents so. That's also why you actually didn't become imus donor. I think I'm convinced that people who have parents that are totals donors rarely become donors but we didn't tell the Porn and the MTV story okay appointed porn on MTV story was that they put us on MTV. We became a little guys on MTV and it was cool. That's a whole story basically right well. A kind of it is it I guess so but it but it's that for that moment I mean and obviously I think blowing smoke people's asses is like a hallmark of of of like a lot of that world but there were at that time they were telling us there was that guy who is telling us you are the future of MTV they use our clips for their annual like Viacom stockholders meeting that year in Key West or wherever the whole thing was very troubling three hundred we I wouldn't say like the CEO of MTV and he would tell us it was very troubling and we were seventeen and it was really really definitely went to my head. You know big time because it was like it was all I had wanted and we came on air personalities for one episode. They had planned shooting a bunch of other stuff too. Now we did do the toy fair yeah. We did slaughter slaughter on areas. Their record release sats a little bit of adobe story because I think I was. I don't know why but we went definite. I went hanging out with slaughter. I totally forgot about it because it was made me so uncomfortable we we had to get to a hotel near up a storm in the other. They don't hear that and fucking. We went to meet slaughter. I tell yes he's fine. We went to meet slaughter at a hotel near Penn Station early in the morning unlike we actually didn't like slaughter so like I didn't want to go because it just seemed like such a bad thing to go and if you don't know slaughter was is a big hair metal band in the eighties and they had a song called up all night sleep all day and I didn't like them and I didn't like that seen why the unlikely care people thought it was funny to send us to do it because we weren't but that's not really funny of course -bility was not and we we went there and we had to we had to hang out with slaughter and think it was cool and I think it was also pretty uncomfortable for slaughter you know frankly and we we wound up in a limo with slaughter but we sat on the floor of the Limo because there were so many people in the bands that sat in the Limo right and plus the cameras plus the cameras so we sat on the floor of the Limo and sitting in the Limo made me so nauseous that when we got into a record signing in New Jersey and when we got out of the Limo I threw up in the story and it was like the reason it's such a dopey story. Because after are you know I became addicted to opiates. I was throwing up everywhere and when I would ever I would feel that insane nausea. I would always think of the slaughter not to mentioned slaughter in general just makes me nauseous. You know the whole thing was just like so weird and then we did we did a we hosted the segment at a toy show and so they screen tested us first they did like we did something in a studio. We did three little segments and they're like we're just going to show should show it to like screen testers. I don't I don't know what those and if you watch the bakery and test it was terrible you ever seen it. Yes you're recently now now. It burned an embarrassing and then they're like okay. We got back great reviews from the screen test. We're going to do two episodes. Don Live and we're going to see what feedback we get back from that and the air those two segments and then they said all right that was great. That went really well your next. We're GONNA. We're booking three more segments for you. We're booking Wesley snipes and Woody Harrelson at Madison Square Garden for White Magnon on the court of Madison Square Garden within yet to be named member of the Knicks Opening Day Yankee Stadium in the dugout. I don't remember the third one the third was big audio dynamite and Public Image Ltd concert and then to interview Mick Jones and Johnny Rotten afterwards tort that would have been pretty crazy fucked our heads up pretty bad and then we were ready to do all this stuff. I'm certain in my mind that it's it's all going to happen. Just like the whole thing you already like okay. We can't go to college next year. My Parent- My dad was like AAC is like if you take a year off from college you receive no financial support from our family. You know whenever you if you choose to go to college later he's like. You're either going to college right right away or you're not getting a penny from us and I was like we gotta do it do you. You're not GonNa do this but in my mind it had already happened. You know we had already made it big. We were rich and famous and you know fuck and Mick Jones and Johnny Lydon and the whole thing was happening and then we show up one day and the show. It's like days before the first one was going to happen which I think was opening day. Yeah it was the spring and we went to high school on the Upper East side of an and MTV was on fifty seventh street and Broadway meanwhile on a side note during in that time we get busted by our school for wasn't it wasn't yeah it was okay. I think so continue well. This is visit spring already and that was we had to take all those extra classes because of this now as it was at the end of the year. No no no no. No people don't like it when I quibble about details details that they don't want to quibble about your okay. I could be wrong. I've been wrong before so but also doesn't the story doesn't work as good that way. Well yeah why we're like right because that's the good part. Is that GONNA happen but the bad part was we had to like turn in every week the stupid i-i y log inter-college year log every week of like what we learned that the internship that year and then we were supposed to get our supervisor's eiser signature on it and we never we would always wait till till like Friday morning to do would like out sitting outside of school and then we'd sign the guy's name because we knew he wouldn't in care so that we forge every signature didn't I think the story that I remember was that at the end of the thing you have to turn in your whole I see why I log and we had done none of it so we did the whole thing the night before and he's supposed to sign the top of it and I was like and this is is the way I remember the story. I said I'M GONNA go over there and get his signature and you said well. I'm not going to go. I'm just GonNa forge the signature and I said you think that's a good idea and you said yeah. It's no big deal so we forged the signature. I don't know if this is true but I'll I'll. I'm willing to accept floors and fun on and we handed them in and then for some reason I guess they had to follow up with the supervisor because that person hey did you in the office that that woman she'd nobody everybody loved. The principal hated both of us so anyway we get they call up the guy he's like Oh. I didn't sign anything because he just wants true. I don't believe that either the guy the guy didn't so he said I. I didn't sign it because he didn't sign it. He was like heath and he was a little fucking. Weirdo too weird. Yes fan he had yes. I sort on his walls. He had this pristine psychedelic bullshit on his wall. which is how you know? He's a weird of and then they were like so. Did you sign this this thing and he was like no. I didn't sign it and then. He said he was fucking with us but he wasn't okay because he was a piece of shit. You know sorry Charlie. Whatever your name is but this Dude Orleans through Western. His name was charlie singer. If you guys want to look him up he's responsible for me going to summer school but anyway but I you although although I did forge a signature so maybe I was actually responsible in the end. I had to take all these extra cl. The reason I know it was before the end is because I had to take all these extra classes. We both had to take all these extra classes. They wouldn't give us credit for the for the internship anymore but I sometimes so which ironically I'm nearly fluent in now. Would you say that is true no anyway. I'd say I'm fluent in restaurants span ever told Mister maybe but hold on for his dad. This is my dad's favorite fucking story by the WHI- which which part but you'll see dad hello. I don't want you but it's it's tonight. Have you. On this part of the story we're telling the story of MTV and this is your favorite story. This is the story worry that my dad thinks defines my life right so lean forward. Come come when Devon screws up he doesn't get into trouble when Davies screws up winds up having to go the summer school and changed his life around but what I didn't have to go to school but I did have to take extra classes and interestingly when I graduated college. I also ended up scrambling last semester there and had to take extra classes because I got kicked out of something. The really really fucked up vindictive piece. The really fucked up vindictive. was that the principal not only you know. I had failed us on on this thing and you had to take an extra class that year and I had to go to summer school but I was in a play. I was directing a play and he said well. You can still direct the play but I'm taking your name off. The program and now is my punishment. What do you have to say. Welcome back to the show fan favourite Alan Fair favorite but I thought you didn't want me back here now but in any case what are you trying to elicit the fans for more or guilt support well. I remember going to talk to the guidance counselor and I was defending you and screaming and yelling at the guidance counselor and you said that compound tad calm down because I was trying to because I thought they wouldn't let you graduate they did they did they did and so that calmed me down that you did. He graduate with everybody body. That's a long time ago. Is that all you remember from the story. I remember being embarrassed that I was getting so angry at the guidance counselor food and it wasn't her fault about anything I mean maybe it was her fault. Maybe it wasn't my fault at all. Maybe she forged the signature. It was your fault for sure a fish or anything else you WANNA say no. I used supposed to get rid of me okay. You're sneezing a lot in there yeah. I'm fine all right. Thank you for thank you for the other thing. The other point was you always made was everybody else can get away with X. Y AND Z and I'm talking about like Devin Vigne did drugs and he didn't become a drug addict X Y and Z Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah but you always said that I couldn't not true that the things that David David did everybody else did but they did not wind up in the problem that David now so you know you know you're not aware I'm aware of it. I mean in terms of you know be making wise decisions. That's that's the bottom line making wise decision. Do you want you want to say anything about how great the two hundred episode episode. Oh yeah it was really great but how many titles were at the one hundred forty three rules. I think it was one hundred forty. Two Tudor count the Doodo. I think it was actually I don't. I don't remember him. If he said toodle is on the first episode or not maybe he did. I don't remember but it was. It's funny. Eh titles thing when Worcester sent me these clips and I listened to the clips and clips were very emotional for me to listen to when I listened to the totals clip. I was actually leaving this apartment and going to work and I left the door downstairs. I set out fucking toodle so it was what I was thinking and I hit tools and I knew that it was going to be a series of tools and at two minutes I'm like Mike. This is pretty funny and then at two and a half half minutes. I'm like Oh my God. It's still going and then at two minutes and forty five seconds. I said well I'll use two minutes of it and I'll cut it at two minutes and then I kept listening and I said wow this is just way too long to us and then I cut it I was like of two minds with it and then when it got to the end and I heard the last one I heard I remember that the last one was from the last episode and it was the episode where Chris and I were skyping and Chris was obviously high and I could hear it in his voice and the significance of it actually being the last time he said the word tutorials made me say I'm GonNa keep the whole thing and I also like I listened to that probably four or five times so that's like thirty minutes of turtles and I hated fucking tools but in the end I knew that it was great and that even if it was annoying to anybody very like it was necessary. I think it was important to play the whole thing. I think it's meaningful so you already at two hours and forty something minutes exactly exactly thirty seconds. Atkins are important tools that what are you looking at. I was just I was just fucking gazing into the distance here use different Tutto from each episode I mean it was all one hundred and forty two separate ones or did he repeat some of them. You have no clue. How could I possibly know I it was one hundred forty two different tools rules that can be on on your podcast Allen. You can interview about how many -Tudios they're actually work. The after dopey party is not going to be the any any allen podcast worry about McDonald's is going to have a podcast. Then probably Burger King is going to have a podcast. All of a sudden podcasting is big business is now I wanted to do a podcast from cats called the pod cats and and another brilliant did you hear did you hear all the names aims of Devon's not in the dopey nation group. God bless him but dopey nation group is literally obsessed with my father okay. There's a there's a post. The DOPEY Nation Group is Alan does a spin off podcast. What should the title be. Okay and then you have fetching with Alan. Then you have have do crazy which is my favorite and then the very the most clever one is is Alanon that really good senior in your dope wasn't so great senior job senior. Oh but senor dope could be great like is it's a play on senior. You're like Mr Senor. Dope and you're also the senior at senior though well well good. It's good. It's good that they keep you on your toes anyway. Thank you for coming in okay. Stay strong dopey nation there you go. Nice Nice Appearance Answer my dad and then the other thing in the end. We got caught from the day we caught but but we're like all right. We can't get credit for doing this anymore but we're still doing it. It's still on the rise. We're still they're using US in their shareholder. Meetings were about to have all these episodes and do all these amazing things out. It's crazy easy to have done those three. Things would have been amazing and like a couple of days before opening day at Yankee Stadium. We walk in. We like roll into the office. I'll happy happy and what what I really. I really felt like I was one of the Beastie boys at that point like I remember I was like I'm wearing shoes without shoelaces and fuck and dragon eye. I- scarves I was just a mess pre junkie junky. I was just I just had I. I had a style that was just a total mess like I would just often beyond on the ground. My clothes would be very I mean that wasn't the Beastie boys style. I I felt full of myself as though I was one of the Beastie boys but I had a very like want like my least favorite member of the Beastie Boys Devon ambulance to Devon has an uncanny resemblance to Mike especially when I was younger. No I mean he's just a little more scraggly than you now but it's still I mean no offense. Mike D when you listen to this that you were always remember but you you you know I met it. Mike D at catches and I told him how much I admired him and I think when I meet and I met add rob your cats too and I also told him and I feel you like when I meet people that I really admire. That aren't drug addicts. It's hard for me to I met Elvis Costello. It's hard for me to tell them about Dobie but when my cats is and his family is still there and I'm telling myself that I didn't mention dopey because Mike some big radio show in Hawaii so I take adobe card right and I give it to his like his stepfather some some father figure in his life and I said could you give this to my d. I don't know somebody might actually be listening when I come around to say because someone brought me to their like Brooklyn thing for their that big book that they did last year and it was really endearing oh man he was great. Mike D to them were great. I was moving because I have a friend who who's like new the beastie boys and stuff and he always said that Mike was Actually the Nice beastie boy and that he just gets a bad rap because of whatever right what anyway anyway it has nothing to do with anything so we were all in there and immediately like opening the door. You feel like there's the vibe live you just even before you could see anything. You could feel like something was wrong and then as like your is like two into what's going on. There's like weeping I don't remember that stuff into boxes there people crying and people and boxing their shit what I remember one thing that it was also so like the funny thing about MTV when we got to MTV in the first place it was like Oh you're at MTV Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and then they take us to the kitchen and in the kitchen is a free Soda Machine Free Soda. This is the best thing ever and I remember thinking if nothing else you can have free soda all day and what an amazing thing and I think we got there in my recollection we get there the doors locked and there's a note on the door that says like where cancelled instead of care and then I go to the kitchen and the soda machine is gone and I was like this terrible memory of it but so the show was cancelled right before before we do other things so we freak out and run to the people who are hooking up our our situation but but what about the future empty me and they were like don't worry it's going to be fine. We're still GONNA use you. We're not gonNA use you for these segments because the show is canceled but this summer and this is how old we are. This summer is the Barcelona Olympics so as nine hundred ninety two. This summer is a Barcelona Olympics. We're going to send you and Dave to Europe a month month before and you're GonNa make your way and like with a very small amount of like money to live on enough for that. You'll be okay but not enough to live big and you're going to make secure way as we send us video dispatch things on your way to the Olympics and then be one of our live coverage people at the Olympics. I don't remember that at all either. Okay what happened that didn't happen. Why not they just started eventually ghosting us who is just like because they move onto the next big thing right. I think the next big thing was beavis and butthead to be honest this much it was cheaper to replace that it can really control those guys year than they can control mm-hmm so that was the MTV story. I don't know like if there's any real reason to have that on the show but I think it's a pretty crazy story and it was a dream deferred. A dream denied nine years later the addendums well. There were many addendums because we kept trying to capitalize where like we can still capitalize on our connections there Dr Summer Guiding in college but I actually got to capitalize on it eventually. It was like the first couple capitalize awesome. Should he word why capitalism's like three spat. It means like you're doing bad things now. It does situation. I feel like there's no so what are you talking about. It was opportunistic. How's that yeah. No I mean I guess it is yeah sure go on. I mean I don't WanNa. GET DOWN TO SOCIO economic economic political conversation about the merits owning and drink more coffee or early in the morning non merits of capitalism but we did try to capitalize on it in the end. I ran into the sea the I was a food server on world yacht the CEO of MTV showed up there. Maybe it was a CEO Viacom and it was very embarrassing and many years later I kept reaching out until I had a different TV show and he was like Oh Dave Dave Endeavor Devon Dave both good and and when I went back they hired me on MTV too but when they hired me back at MTV to and I've told this story they presented myself as a real producer and I went back to we already on heroin that I was totally totally early. Fall on Junkie I had lost my job for going to detox shooting job and I was clean when I got the job though because I knew that I was in trouble and I got this job at MTV to which was actually in the another different MTV Viacom building but it was on the fifty seventh floor and as soon as I got my first check like it was like some of the biggest checks I ever got in my life and I got my first check and I was like fuck this. I'm going to get job and and I got a bunch of job and I I was shooting up and I was I think I was making like eleven hundred dollars a week or something and my rent was three hundred dollars a month and I still went broke rogue and I still couldn't keep up with and but the highlight was in the very beginning I was making a show for MTV two and I was like the fifty seventh floor and I had my own office. Yes and I would shoot heroin in my own office and the office face Central Park South and I thought to myself this is like I in my mind. I was miles Davis at that moment homer which descended into like me getting my nose broken helping out my neighbor and it's a good one and and fucking it all all up and and the last day I went in on a Saturday and all those promotional CDs that Devon was talking about was a Saturday I went around three three floors of the MTV to building with shopping bags and I stole the CDs off every person's desk right winner all of them from desk to desk. I left with like hands and hands in hands of shopping bags like discography of Miles Davis and John Lennon. Whatever whatever whatever the great CDs and I went straight to saint marks I sold all of them? I probably got six hundred bucks and I spent that in a day or two days so that was the end of my MTV career which started so promisingly and so innocently. It's funny. You know it's weird. Let's Adobe Story. What do you say yeah so this is from this guy. Mick this English guy he sent an amazing story about his journey to Hong Kong and a bunch of like terrible things that happen and and this is the follow up about what happened when he actually got there. It's MIC ready. Freddie MAC is a great dopey participant and Fan and new new likes sort of pen pal of mine so hey man I'm sorry I didn't play or two hundred saying maybe I'll play it now. But here's your voicemail Dave Dobie nation. Everyone's will mail chat with Dave the day and he said few people would mention Laudi or follow up to Mars Mars story of when I go to Hong Kong. She's a surprise to me because I thought train wreck of a job of sensitive bushnell smiling. It was terrible awful anyway as fair fair enough. I'll see what I can do so yeah so I'm rob had been arrested and detained in Hong Kong. Wait been released on bio with the proviso overseas to appear in court in Hong. I'm calm a couple of weeks following so we're back in the PU. managed to get our baggage. Go the drugs Bumba this point. Nobody sells well so I went out and talked to a taxi driver and said it was the best cheap placed to sty cy pay porn under towards Kowloon which is we helped on the train and off we went to Kowloon. We we go off books into a backpackers which was about fourteen floors up on this building that consisted of dodgy businesses selling knock off. Hugo boss suits roots fucking style electronics and go knows what else but it was cheap and there was a whole lot lockers. They're big lockers lock stuff up so we went to a I washable big pussy fucking padlock some stuff up and dumped onto bags fixing the room uh-huh which was Tony but you know for a fact that cost about I think is the equivalent of about ten bucks or something and add a bathroom as well so that was cool so we went straight down the local pubs in Kowloon and thought we'd check out a local scene. Si We found we found drugs pretty quick. Go second puppy win and we bought some. Hash we show I asked him. Where can we get something stronger and and he told us this comment sort of vague but I remember ended up in another pub. Would you saw like a poll post nuke clubs or place and connect their heroin is an Indian half Indian half Chinese dot com screwed into being was his name and he told us he's he's. He lived in a building the next building over a couple of buildings over from where we were staying in Kowloon and he said he could hook us our blight. He wasn't available Ayla he he was into it saves going to Jack Subway now. The day was Stein in Hong Kong was is part of what used to be cool. The walled city now that had had been part demolished by the time we were there one point and this was the most densely populated place on earth. it was just a touch will get full of opium. PIMM dens cocaine. Paula's and illegal businesses doing dodgy like I said you know stone dodgy electronics and Dodgy Tyler's set the knockoff Calvin Klein suits so this sort of thing so this this place was something else slob pretty well traveled. I've never seen anywhere like like this Park Allen. It was dangerous and it was full of drugs and fuller criminals and it was fucking awesome if you you now I mean relatives always in at the time it was awesome anyway so we met the vein lighter at his apartment Tom for one of a bad word Mr Spicy just two rooms connected together with a weight room bathroom shower and he hits us up and we saw what was the equivalent of a gram of heroin for what what would have worked out to be about thirty. US dollars and now I had a region dope habit time I mean a huge habit because I had a decent income and it was just a haul latics overspending on drugs so I had a big habit and I took on this stuff. which was you classic? China want and it just enough male. Moss was so pure now filtration acing required you could literally just put the pound at Arrow in the bow syringe shake it with called water injects it and it took me to about three hours to do my shoelaces up leave because I've bounced so yeah so we bounced around Hong Kong travel a couple of thoughts in a bar in a place called Wendy Shaw and we go the ran from the police there was an American aircraft carrier docked while we were standing in Hong Kong so we go into plan poll with all the all the US silence so yeah that was that was a fucking good night. I was in an underground bar called the Rhubarb Kangaroo Bobby Layman Chevrolet. She's between Kowloon and human shell show which was uh another one of the areas. We're in so that was fucking co we we moved after wall. We found a cheaper place near it went Choi so we stayed in a backpackers there and then we got into the beans. Might we've been born heroin off. He came to the room and and he he did in our room and just freaking out is all social he was dead and the room had a window in it but the opened into the inside of the building down John Sort of like chimney shoot thing that went straight down the middle of the building and Asaf Vice and we're going to check them out the window that that was the plan at the time when we dragged him socially was dead and we dragged him across so the we we hope hooked him up onto the bed which by the window and just getting ready to lift him a guy woke up saw my God what what is wrong with my I'm Charlie Scott. Out of the window. Fuck anyways thank God he wasn't he wasn't dead. Siwei yeah yeah and a whole lot of other things happened loss to find number for the for the connector. All within obeying are lost his phone number so I got the taxi back from Wenchong. Shaw to Kowloon just walk as you know Skinny Little English boy twenty years old walking around this. I guess our building in Hong Kong and I've got no number just remembered roughly which flora lived on it was either the nine hundred twentieth. I'm just walking round shabby now. Bane we know Bay and there's all these crazy fucking little Chinese fellows with tattoos and huge skulls on their vices and missing eyes and fucking Bowie. Are We knobs on that bill just by looking at me anyway. Eventually I found him somehow about two o'clock in the morning and go native. You did cy but anyway yeah we we went to Co acquisitive charges. We will find for the bright fun for the smoking on the plane and I am fond in the the the the fallen was roughly the equivalent of the bail money we'd pied side eventually burn out and I'd lost my bank card and all sorts of stupid shit blackouts and the Blair ended up finding my dad and he wants us the money for so after six weeks of just insanity in in Hong Kong we flew back actually London and and that was the end of that so yeah that's the the rest of Hong Kong dopey story. I suppose there's there's there's there's a whole lot of other share that happened while I was there but it's sort of it's it's all a bit vague amongst the blackouts. Go Nice what else the anyways thanks for listening. Everybody love. You'll stay strong. Thank you dive surface engine other one month. I Sir thank you. There's MIC. That's a fucking I mean. We have our stupid story about em TV. That's that's amazing and then and then you have this he almost through someone out the week who was alive. You know that that echoes a one of the original Dobie stories like I don't remember if it was a voicemail it was Chris's favourite was from this Australian guy named Maurice who found who somebody. Oh deed a guy named Ivan and he thought it was dead body and he put him in a phone booth. Yeah I remember that that was like Chris Favorite one and what a weird sort of caveat to that story story was after Kris died first of all thank you for the dopey story fucking killer bee story. Thank you for turning our high school memory emory episode into a dopey episode which is great now that I don't love Devon being on the show makes me very happy. He made me come here at nine morning our thank you calm you. You said I'm listening to the show. It's great I'm GonNA COP or you didn't have to do it to deny not. We didn't have have to do it and the donation the text of the preview now in Dave likes to play it a little cool sometimes in front of you but you know the the lead up to making sure you gotta be year. This is the time this is what has to happen well. That's true however I mean also I am. I'm really happy to be your. I'm touched to honor to be here right after two hundred and the two hundred first episode the first of your next two hundred no I mean I appreciate shipping. You're too. I totally appreciate that too. I know I pressure people do a lot of things the question but people never have to do what I pressure them into doing. I mean come on you. You know that now the thing about that Dobie story is it totally. It's so funny like kind of pre cell phones or maybe not even pre cell phones. If you get if you're sick and you get some connect and you don't keep the number like what the fuck do you do. I feel like I've been in speech kind on the situation similar to mix situation wondering around buildings that I've never been in to find the dope because you're it's like it's like a needle in a haystack in the first place place and how do you find a needle in Haystack. Twice is the question right and there's a clock ticking another thing that that made me think of like once in a while. I have these these dope dreams. You know where I'm looking for dope or where I find dope or I get to open. I put it in my pocket and I can't use it. Last last night. I had these dreams about bud that I was ready to smoke pot again and there are people at my job selling by and and they were selling a bunch of like Dank Indica and sativa and I was trying to choose what I want but I hadn't smoked in so long. I'm trying to figure it out and I wound up with bud that I didn't want but then I remember I had gotten the good bud to that was the whole dream and then in the morning when I woke up and I was excited to me. Devon this morning and my dad's that occurred to me that after I stopped smoking weed I gave all of my bud to Devon. You remember that yeah. I think I called you. The day I got clean and I said you gotta come on one right. Do you remember it yeah. Yeah I mean some of it was was like like decrepit old stuff that was like hidden up in your top cabinet but some was some was not no there's also so that like wax and there was all of that you had collected all this stuff well it was it was the end of a glorious we'd collection with a huge jar of one strain and then like six six jars of and other strains and some were like more decrepit because I had saved them because I wanted to taste them one last time. It was like that was my fantasy was to have a spice rack of different strains of weed. I actually did it and then I gave up. I gave all over the edibles to this dude at work and I gave all the bud to you. And how long do you think it lasted. You probably a while that's the thing I smoke very small announced over longer periods of time so like by the usually if I get too much then it gets it gets old before before I get to it by. The time from people yeah did any of that. Go bad probably for sure yeah. What does that what does adding. We're GONNA say just that. I'm really happy that you're alive that you've made it back. They were definitely a lot of time because when you're talking about like walking and looking being for dope there were so many like when I was on my way over here. Rachel's like what are you. GonNa talk about like all of the many many phone calls you had after all each of Davies relapses where like for hours trying to like talk him into like trying again and coming back to you. What do you remember about that. I don't remember that many of the of those phone calls but you know what I yeah. I remember I remember his like because somebody at work actually said to me if you're an addict and somebody says to you. Are you going to get clean clean water. You say and I feel like I would say yes but then just do it but I feel like I've been like we would talk and then I don't run you would like get all like riled up about you know not doing it like I don't remember weeping. I just remember saying I wasn't going to do it that it wasn't going to happen happen. One thing about me I would lie to get money and I would lie about not working and I would lie about this but I was always very pretty like a I don't know what the word is but I was pretty honest about not wanting to stop. I remember into the habit but also there there were times when you would come out of it for as well. Well like I'd have a day clean and WANNA hold onto. I don't know if we told this story when you were on last time was the ibew gain story. Oh Yeah I've thought about that last week. When I was thinking about coming to do this also aside know is really funny to be also just like what I mean funny. I don't know but like walking here to Your Dad's house off the train you know being in like the right train car to get out at the exit right by. Your Dad's and come here taps into so many old memories he's of coming here and then also memories of you getting me to come to meet you. When you were junkie and then like half of those times times you would then like disobey. You wouldn't be there really like calm and like there were so many times me here. Meet me there and like I would come and you wouldn't be there you also. I also got you to give me money a few times which is unlike you which was very unlikely to be able to give me money yeah. I usually don't have extra but you know you were the scrapping but to speak with total honesty you know it's been a long time I haven't I haven't done drugs in four years. I haven't done heroin is and eight years. How long how much do these kinds of things pop into your head? We've had a pretty we I actually went. When Linda left me I made the decision. Listen to move to the lower side for two reasons. Are maybe three reasons one was because it was right. Near where I worked to was because the apartments armaments there were exactly like the apartments I grew up in and I couldn't resist that and the third maybe most important was it was a stone's throw from where Devon lived so like we hadn't hung out in like a fucking decade basically except for like bursts when you would come in our right but I even remember when I came back and we started hanging hanging out it was like it was weird like I would meet you and your daughter at a playground and it was weird because like she was like to you know and you would be pushing around the swing and you hadn't seen Rian like fucking ever and it was like a little weird and it took a little bit of time to get back into the swing so now when you're sitting here talking about a bad memories how fresher they in your head not that fresh but but they were subject about right well there was something about coming at like a weird time for for me to meet you and have it be here by off kilter and that was like Oh yeah I know this feeling right having to meet me in a situation Asian where you don't want to and that's another thing you can say that I made you come here because I did make you go those places in the past. I don't think that this is one of those situations Israel. I love you and I loved Obi. That obviously don't listen all the time you know but like I it's amazing. It's amazing that donations dopey nations there and that this that this podcast is is what it is you know. Let's let's let's listen. There's a couple things that I didn't get to from the two hundred hundred so there's a bunch of voicemails that I stupidly did play from fans in the donation and of course then being in the dopey nation. I've heard from them and they're upset set that. I don't play them so I'm going to play a couple of messages from the two hundred now. You excited yes. Are you sitting on the edge of your seat. Look we're going to start with dopey superfan randy who used to attribute his whole sobriety to Dobie united yeah. I think he's got shit together a little bit yeah. This dude actually took me and Chris out to a steak dinner. I remember when that I didn't like the first the first six months of the show. He's a statistician for the NHL and he fucking has a lot of beliefs about the show. He's incredibly excited about dopey conned by the way. Are you excited about Dopey con very calm October twelve eighteen in St October Twelfth Eighteenth Street eight o'clock at night. What Day of the week is that Saturday Saturday October twelfth. Yes I'll try Saturday October twelfth. What what time eight o'clock at night. Why wouldn't you come. I found that in the city for visiting mom or something okay so if you're here here if I'm here I'll be there. You'll be with that. That's more like and here's Randi and a few more stragglers that I just didn't get because it was so late at night for the dopey two hundred you know so. I stayed up till three thirty in the morning that night to your your wake-up time. I know to finish the Christmas episode to Mason. I know a lot of work a a lot of good. Here's Randi and some more Dave. This is Randy Aka Billy Baru congratulations on two two hundred episodes. I just want to let you know how much dopey has meant to me. In my recovery. I discovered you guys three years ago online and at the time I was an active addiction and time you guys provided me something to listen to something to connect to at a at a point where I was isolating allied secondly. I listen to you more and more I began to believe that a person could live a fulfilling fun exciting lifestyle without the use of drugs alcohol and for that. I am eternally grateful. I'm sure a lot of people are grateful for what you do. I certainly am so thank you so much Dave. This is Patrick from Wisconsin. Happy two a hundred Holy Shit. That's a lot of podcasts. I was GONNA say happy two hundred episodes of doing something great two hundred times in a row besides is being dealt but let's be honest not all two hundred so they're good one hundred and eighty four of them but congratulations and all all your work Merry Christmas even though I never got to meet Chris learn a lot from him by listening to him and I'm really proud of both of you guys congratulations on your four years in a row wow you're the best you're making a difference. You're helping people keep up the great work. I'm so proud of you and mad love and respect the don't be nation and don't die motherfuckers. Hey Derby congrats on two hundred episodes. It's Ellen here from Australia. I've written into the show before to talk about the impact that dope he's had on me and the reason that relationship with my dad again who was a heroin addict for most of my life and is now threes clean derbys also the reason I'm slowly getting earned addicted us towards sobriety so thanks again Chris. Hey Dave it's courtney. I just wanted to give you a shout out and to let you know I Miss Chris and you're doing a great job continuing on with dopey. A and I hope to see you. Thanks tutorials. Roy Ads me doing a bad impression of Dave doing a bad impression of this is Jen dope smoking popping kroger sugar sniffing social worker from NYC but way of Pittsburgh from last Kosovo. I just wanted to wish everyone a very happy Christmas Chris. We miss you so much dopey as meant so much to me. It's helped me stay sober and feel less alone nine. There are so many other fucking depraved archers drug fiends out there just like me. I needed this in my life and then so great great food here. Everybody's stories big shoutouts. Amy Dresner Dead Matthau Chick Jeremy Turner is in next donuts store blackout a chick the crackhead lawyer Poughkeepsie Rockstar Guy Hot wheels an audience guys and most of all today's before years of sobriety and for bringing us all together and then four outs themselves are in honor of Chris Todd and all the other fallen members of the dopey nation may be in our necks. I lives we can do lots of drugs together. Without all of the consequences love you all stay strong and tutorials recurs well. The last one just gives me. The fuck and chills does are amazing because I don't know if you know this about me but like I'm you know I'm very sentimental. Will it takes a certain thing to really trigger the sentimental thing. If I watch a movie I only cry like at the graduation duration or at the moment where people care do you know what I mean like. That's the moment that always gets me. You know what I mean. There's a lot of bad things that happen and I kind of just can endure it but when when people come together at the end that for some reason triggers me. It's like how you always love the the other more traditional. Christmas like episodes of everything right. Always you love that kind of stuff I do and so this I mean like I knew new how much I would love the two hundred episode but when I started to hear from people and like that woman who recounts all of these different very specific things to the show. It really makes me feel something. It's amazing. I mean it's amazing but the real thing that whenever it happens is when I hear anybody mentioned todd I like you know I had. I had a funny todd thought but I can't think of it now you you were around todd a bunch yeah any any memories of Todd. You'd like to share no. I'm just thinking there was an early early. I know that you do. I know that he made Devon's is an incredibly warm and sweet and kind and brilliant guy and he makes exp people happy to be around if you walk around the lower east side with Devon every person knows and because he works in schools down there but he also has helped out all these families so anybody not that's. Devon is happy to see him which is always very frustrating to me because I'm with them. I don't really like other people to to show up and you know what I mean. Yeah yeah anyway so I know that todd loved you being around because he knew you liked him and you made him feel that warm nice thing he you after you guys became junkies. It became harder for me like I had this this kind of warm fuzzy dummy kind of feeling around talk to which he would play up. He was retarded. He would do hard stuff but then after you guys became junkies together. I would twist like when I went to when I lived in Istanbul for that year right after right. When I I went to stop right before I'm moved to Istanbul you had that break up and then I was there and then when I came back you and todd had or had formed a heroin habit mm-hmm and then it was still snorting and it was still you know light enough but like it was regular and then and then it it got deeper and then after that once you were real on once he moved to. La Basically my my feelings about todd it became more like Geico ta Ta and you're going to die because of todd like because every time you would relapse would be with Todd Todd. Come around and then you you would you you would dive down and so that became a harder thing for me to have around him. It was the newest less enjoyable dot around but before for that I remember there was this moment when you were living you and Jim were living on Norfolk Street and todd was just smoking pot and doing cocaine that sounds right right and so and he really want to go buy some cocaine and no one wanted to go with him and I was like Gago if you todd and so he we go down and he's like looking around and like asking people. It's you know we were probably twenty twenty. One and these kids were maybe like younger longer. They were like seventeen eighteen and they see tied with is like you know big hippie beard and he's he's like hey dude you know and they're like yeah sure. Give me your money and then over. We're there in the under on the tire of that. Car is where you'll find the the the blow and todd's like okay okay and I was like wait todd. I don't know he's like no. No it's fine I find this to I do this all the time and so he gives them the money and they leave and he goes over to this car and there's nothing there's nothing on the real. There's nothing there that doesn't sound I mean this is very early. I had you events events and he was like Oh man. I can't believe the danger and so so todd guppy was that you tad's ads got beat infinite times but like I guess every time he would learn a little bit more one story he never told which was like the darkest time in Todd's life and I was clean and he didn't WanNa tell me about the stuff he was doing because it was so crazy but he told me he had befriended this crack dealer in in Harlem and he would live in her house he would because he lived on the upper east side and he would just stay in her house and she and this is so funny how how far it came she would go to the bathroom and he would jump into her closet open up her safe and steal her drugs so like he made up for whatever these kids stole on the lower east side and but it's it's crazy. It's crazy that that he died and it's you know with my dad talking about all the stuff that I didn't get away with but I mean like this is something I survive. Live this thing for now and you know I think the emotions are all very very high for me around todd and Chris Chris. This stuff is like it's still very built into weird sadness anger disappointment and just like I don't like to accept the whole thing with him with todd it's like ah my brother who died painfully and I've tried to unpack the emotions of this a billion times already and hopefully eventually I'll be able to now now interestingly enough we heard from dopey superfan pioneer hot wheels from fuck in the Midwest someplace place. I wanted to say Minnesota but maybe was Kansin. I think it's someplace out there. She's not saying that it's up Dopey Nation Towels Colin on that started so many of you wanted to hear so many so so much love during our loss over the twitter. I didn't know that many people actually frigging cared so let's see what kind of story can I easy with. I WanNa make a little dopey and also a little cautionary very so I came up with was the night that I fucked up with Coletta Pan in heroin. It was in August I think for for my spinal cord injury and my buddy pick me up my girlfriend. Go to some fucking Kager in the city where it was really doesn't matter Nah. I'm thirty three bags dope and on the way there the pills disappeared like any good attic form three two milligram cloud opin Farkas Doc. Id want garlic any good addict no never really big drinker but ahead of a few tried to lay delegate my three bags of dope to make it lasts through lake however long the whole cater was which was probably just a feeble attempt don't know night one always just a party and I don disagreement with the girlfriend. She went her way one or separate ways and in. Dopey your story maybe something to get your sometime later or whatever she's a dope and I don't think I really relegated them bags and smack throughout the night at probably just did them all on whatever no well long long story short. It's remember coming home and getting dropped off. I got out of the car in everything seems fine. I mean I walked up the driveway. I remember that it was fine and then I got to the back door and pull the keys out. It was like I could not get the a key in the hole in the door news like Dick. I never had sex before you put the cans slack you Turner. Dog couldn't get out somehow I got in thing. Guide business completely blacked out. I used to do this thing when it was hot out right. Open up the freezer for like a minute and just put my head down to cool off. I think while I was doing that I had this grain they did that you could halfway chrome the bottom of the refrigerator that probably so so. I dragged the kitchen table out in the backyard all four chairs put it together all nice and neat needs with the place mats and Silverware plantain everything ric down to the fucking fruit basket in the middle juice like it was in the kitchen cleaning off the bottom shelves thirty deductive reasoning the next morning. I think I was using my crack to hold lit cigarettes while I was moving stuff out of the bottom of the refrigerator. 'cause I woke up with the most massive suit burn across the top of my but like your butt cheeks start where I couldn't sit down for like a week. Yes I had to deal with who but rape deep doo jokes from all of my friends for like three four days and I couldn't even give him a good answer. I couldn't tell him to start here. I went to asleep in the refrigerator. This real doping of this story comes. Apparently I did make it into the refrigerator frigerator fall asleep because my mom found me sleeping in their injury but I didn't know this. 'til the next morning when when I woke up I could never fall asleep with my sacks shoes shit and jeans so then I got up you know soon as you pull the thing that move or your feet hit the floor and like down's shoes sacks sticking my paints the fuck out last night here so as going upstairs what what what what happened like I remember. I'm trying to get in the house. My mom is sitting there. Drinking Caffeine looks dead in the face of what went on last night thank you. That's a really good question. Does she know something I don't and then. She tells me how she found me. Half in the refrigerator raider questioning of house alive or dead dragged me out of it and I guess I woke up and went downstairs and went to bed and she had to bring in the kitchen table a CO chairs and put it back together. Yeah fine this kind of funny. Thank God I didn't dire. I wouldn't be here ear to tell this story to hopefully spread this message to somebody who might think that taking three I've been doing some heroines is a good idea because we live in the two thousands anymore heroin hair on its fenton all. I've lost too many friends. We've Lost Chris Chris is she's not to seem game lot of gathering plan so those view dinner clean awesome and stick to what you're doing. Don't go back out those either coming back out going back in and going back guided. Just keep doing it eventually. It'll click but why it's yourself be careful. Don't mix these things don't use alone. Make sure there's never can't somewhere into stolen anymore. You guys from this disease and I think that's the un-american Gordon because they're probably gonNA start crying by the way there's took like ten times. Am Street court so I hope I got a quick enough. Dave sorry for the delay Miss.. You Chris and love Yaldo nation toodle. It only took me ten months to play. That's good one maybe longer that took me to play that is hot wheels dopey legend thank you for sending that in and my apologies and he was supposed to be on the thing but it was his birthday. Earth Day when we were recording Christmas yeah he was supposed to be on Christmas but his birthday was right around Christmas birthday. I guess I think the day before so but I'm sure we will hear from birthday. Happy Birthday and I'm sure we help from him soon. Now before you go or before we go. I want to tell you this retarded thing that happened thought very stupid thought giving. I was home and I was going to seven eleven to get cookies and I was thinking about not bringing my phone okay for a second thing. Is You know leave the phone. This is how addicted to the phone. That's the other thing that I'm fucking addicted to. I think you might have our leave. Leave the phone here. I'M GONNA go get cookies but the thought I have is what if something happens to me on my way to seven eleven like I pass out behind the wheel or I get hit by a car or something when the ambulance comes. What am I gonNa do for all that time gotTA connect. I absolutely yeah just the idea of sitting alone without the phone. Just terrorizing me. How funny is that. It's really fun. It's funny so you got stuck without a phone for weeks recently right well just a week right now. Is that it was. It was fine. It's hard because I wanted to be in touch with three with my daughter like that kind of thing but what's the real reason why that it was hard not have the phone well that and it was right when Nick Free Agency was about to happen and so I needed to also find out what was going to happen there. There was one I was in remote I know of Scotia and there's no cell service and in this like little cottage there was no there was no phone and Internet for the week so but there was one tiny corner of the porch where you could get like a bar sometimes and so I'll go there check in with my fam and then try and download all the articles that I could and then bring it back in and it was also really cold during that week and so so you're shivering. What's going going to have it well. That's another thing that Devon I share. Is this terrible obsession with the next terrible I honestly this is my my phone life. I look at dopey stats. I look at job emails. I look at work emails. I look at dopey social media. I have to do all of the work social media so that's those five things like one thing kind of it's all like dopey work right but it's just constant scrolling between these different things and then when I'm done with that I just there's a button on my phone that I've created that just says Knicks News and I hit the button and I want to see if the article's refresh and all these bullshit websites besides let's explore the David Lee sign and trade of nineteen ninety seven or whatever it was I fucking hate those those click bait sites for people people like me who are obsessed with mixed news. Discuss me the only thing that discussed me more than that is the knicks themselves knicks but maybe we're in a good moment. Will I'm not going to a whole Knicks warhol right now. Because I've got a lot to say well. I think we're going to call it a shorty and we'll call it the addendum send him to the two hundred episode and we will call it the time. Devon and I almost became famous on MTV. The for next time I come in there so we're just put a bookmark stories. I think we should talk about some plan. I think that I gain you doing obligation to try and kick story is where is worth telling. We didn't tell that story when you're on. I think we did all right. I know I've told the actual. I- Bogan story like three times so then my favorite stories that's what else the the I think we should talk about my dad because like I'm not afflicted but I grew up with a father who is an addict and he just died last fall and TV knows him so I think that it it would be worthwhile and you know how much how much of an addict do you think he was. I mean that's the reason that's the reason I didn't didn't want it to get into it because I wasn't certain you know how much of how much you consider him an addict data fanatic. He has his one of his his main slogan is Moore's more wow yeah he was he was he was a pioneer Devon's. His father was so out there in so many ways he just like he seemed more like just a larger than life character and somebody who was on the spectrum backstrom of mental illness say that with all respect and love and I loved Evans Data Immune Devon's dad had a great loving bond but I think we should i. I think it would be worth talking about that and parents dying. Go is good times and then there was a third there was a third thing oh when we took acid for the first time and I think maybe like our first real like both of our like I real drug use like before I feel like we're told told the story of the first time too but yet we did we went to the we went to Madison Square Garden and we went to see the grateful dead kind of with the just the plan to take acid. Take acid there because neither of US listened to what we were like. Oh that's where that will be like a nice safe space to go find and take your first asset well we could actually the logic was was we could buy acid from hippies as opposed to like who knows who in Washington Square Park ended up to so many T- orientational yeah well in Central Park. I felt like we bought it from hippies appease in Washington square park not so much anyway but she just the one story. I think I think we should UN bookmark for a second is is a job then we have. I think we should say that. We have to go just Taliban at black story real quick now. What do you mean just give it to them. At the end all right all right so parents grip Brooklyn. We're hippies the they were in especially especially my dad. My mom was kind of along for the ride a little bit but my dad was all in and what what album is painted black on. I think aftermath so that comes out which is when nine hundred sixty seven or sixty six that album comes out how it and my dad gets it immediately and taking acid and listening to it and paint it black comes on and he's like Yes yes. This is what we must do. This is what we're going to do and so so they go out and he I think maybe he had some friends over the. What did you find the year. I don't know I know they were born. In forty-five both my parents have rolled they were when that happened twenty two twenty three either and like their first one one of their first departments. My parents met in tenth grade in Tenth Grade High School in Coney Island so they get bucked. It's of black paint and they paint their entire. Her apartment black the furniture every wall the wood furniture the walls the fruits but in the end is listening to it over and over work on record so like putting the lag nineteen sixty-nine sixty-nine it says it song let it bleed but I don't feel like it is. I don't know what it's on. It doesn't matter anyway any kind of detail. You're not supposed to quibble about not quivalent. You were typing giant paint. It black is for anyway. That's that is a little bit of insight but but did they make the fridge. I was aftermath. They painted nineteen sixty six. I was right in the first minute. They painted the table of the walls all the furniture that they paint the painting of black black as night cold they do they really don't think they painted over the windows but I know that they had like like some like plexiglass. Things were painted and then like the next weeks and weeks my mom. This is probably really not the best idea that's funny. Did they really paint the fruit or the apples black now. I don't think so oh well anyway. I love that story and I think we finished it on an up note which I love and so we'll say stay strong DOBIE nation and fucking toodle fucking totals for Chris so you think the show is going. GonNa end but then it doesn't end and the addendum to the two hundred episode has an addendum in itself so this is the addendum to the addendum and basically Siklie. If you say the word addendum a lot of times it doesn't sound right anymore. Addendum what oh it sounds like some kind of dental procedure but the end of the show I I wanted had to play more of those voicemails because I love them and there were so many that I didn't get to now. I just WanNa be clear that means I will play a bunch of fucking voicemails smells and I'll get to yours probably so please don't hold it against me but here are a couple more voicemails before we go and before that I just want to remind you guys that on October twelfth it's Dopey Khan and dopey con is going to be a storytelling festival in New York City in the spirit dopey so send in your best. Ob Story on drugs addiction or dumb shit or all three or recovery make it funny make it compelling make it under under ten minutes and send it to Dopey podcast at g mail DOT COM. If you can't come to dopey con. Maybe I'll just use it as voicemail but send them and let me know if you're gonNA GONNA come to Dopey Con. I'm not counting on any of you guys to come well. Here's some voicemails and the end of the show again in mountainside has been kind of tight lipped about the exact location of dopey con but I'll tell you this it will be on the west side of Manhattan somewhere between Fourteenth Street and Twentieth Street and we'll leave it at that find a cheap place to stay though and are in before we go this woman Elissa Romeo on instagram that her boyfriend anthony is a huge dopey opie fan so we're gonNA wish anthony a very special birthday on the twenty seventh all right Anthony Happy fucking birthday. You better hopefully listen to this all right. Stay strong dopey nation and fucking tools for Chris. Here's some voicemails and goodbye eighty just sending in voice memo again. Dopey is helped me through my sobriety still does and and it's like that you're not supposed to talk about when you're there so sometimes. It's just fun to make jokes about how how should he our past is instead of taking everything so fucking seriously all the time. Thanks dive divy. Nation is Mickey from the Hong Kong Story Happy Christmas happy two Hundred Episode Cape doing what you do make because it means sounds an awful lot of people stay strong. W Nation and fucking tutors for Chris W by Dobie means to me is greater than Christian. Jason Dave's harmonies. I heard it I when I was still a user but right now somehow I'm not feeling much less of a loser I remember withdrawing on the floor mumbling along to to I want to be good so bad between laws of spider crawler crane for that day I could have belly laughs like Chris Dave through dozens of relapses and uncomfortable comfortable meetings. I had this secret podcast that helped lighten my feelings was I in love with Chris Chris my Adhd in semi can only scratch the surface purpose for what I felt for this guy and Dave without reservation as kept the dopey nation together and expanding through some unholy revelations. Thank you Dave and thank you Chris for keeping me company and for putting the idea in my head of what it means to be truly free doodles. Dave heavy two hundred episode. So what an achievement I love dopey because it's my own dirty little secret. I start my day with my coffee. You're listening to dopey. Well put my makeup on and get ready for my day. It's my morning fix. I just love listening to older episodes with you guys together for showrooms my heart but breaks my heart at the same time that Chris's not here to experience and enjoy the full wrath of what dopey has has become no doubt he's proud and he knows what's going on. We love you Chris. We miss you stay strong. Ron dopey nation and sucking tools for Chris. Hey game congratulate two hundred after Dombi from Long Island. I just got on your green. Coke and go but good in a way out. You draw dopey nation. He's as hey toby nation happy. Two hundred episode can't believe it's been so many and I can't believe it's been so few you and Merry Christmas you can say it's Mary it's wonderful to remember Chris and to think the legacy that he left behind and the way he really and truly carried the message Dave I want to thank you for the way you open up to us every single week on Dobie and let us into into your life and your thoughts and your your so authentic and we all appreciate that and I think that it's helped us in the dopey nation to be authentic with one another and to create an amazing amazing community so thank cable for that and thank you Linda. Thank you Ami. Thank you Allan. It's I'm so proud to be a part of this community and that's it stay strong dopey nation and fucking tools happy birthday Chris to you. Do you know the Lion Sleeps Tonight in the jungle. The line sleeps in Bob. Bottom makes me in the jungle down remove removed I'll do that. 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