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The One Place JFK Felt He Could Be Alone
"JFK preferred to be on the Cape his father. Joe Bought this home in Hyannis Port in nineteen twenty nine when John was just twelve. The nine Kennedy kids spent their summers here swimming in and sailing these waters and playing football on their expensive lawn years later. John and Bobby Kennedy bought homes nearby creating the Kennedy compound in one thousand nine hundred sixty one. JFK became president and soon faced the Cuban missile crisis the Cold War and civil rights violence. It's during those tumultuous years. He kept coming back to Hyannis port. He said it's beaches. Were the one place could be alone and think in two thousand twelve. After the death of Ted Kennedy. The main house was donated to his institute. The storied home will eventually be opened to the public.
The Reporter Who Knew Too Much - Best of Coast to Coast AM - 9/16/20
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Qualcomm, we believe in staying connected and you can see us. Wherever five Jeez helping transform telemedicine supporting remote education empowering Mobile PC's the invention ages here. Learn more at QUALCOMM DOT com slash invention age mel. Here's a highlight from coast to coast am on Iheartradio and welcome back to coast to coast. George Noory with you. Mark Shaw with US Mark, we were talking about how Dorothy body was kind of moved around. That's kind of weird isn't it? Well. You know. I. It's amazing to me with some of these crime scenes. What happens? We now know and I I think we've proven in in the reporter too much and then denial of justice that you know when when police finally came to Dorothy kill gallons townhouse She'd already been dead for several hours and you wonder then what happened during that time we now know that there was the FBI came Kinda swarmed the apartment took out of all of her documents, investigative files, everything like that, and then the you know the medical examiner, a medical examiner, not the not the main one came and just took a look at a second all empty second all bottle and decided to cheat overdosed. Not Checking to see that she had actually died in the bed in the bathroom and then was taken into the bedroom. That's been proven. So you know there you get these situations where unfortunately The. You know the crime scene is is is You know not as it was when when she died and that's what happened with Dorothy and really what occurred there I finally interviewed Dr Michael Baden who I think you've had on your program about a month or two ago for the new book. And I wanted to ask him why they came up with the solution. The verdict to that it was a combination of an overdose of barbituates alcohol circumstances undetermined. And I asked him why in the world then they went ahead and told the media that she died of an accidental death and he admitted he said it looks to me like and his name by the way was on the autopsy report basically that they didn't know what happened to Dorothy and yet they said it was an accidental death and the main detective on the on the on the case I found a quote from him where he said if he would've known that it wasn't it wasn't an accidental death he would've investigated. So unfortunately, you know with these kinds of cases everything gets all mixed up and then you you really don't have the truth. You're a man of the truth George and we can't really find at times the truth about these kinds of cases and what a store you was. The F. Raid The house to in grab some documents and and you know These are true. Crime murder mysteries the off all all of my books are about Dorothy Kilgallen the new one is as well collateral damage. But in this situation, you have a true crime murder mystery because I think I told you the last time I was on the show that I had found a reliable source in Las Vegas, who told me exactly how Dorothy was set up for the kill there was a a boyfriend of hers the main suspect Ron, Pataki who learned about what Dorothy was GONNA put in the book for random. House he told the wrong people what happened this guy told me this source and therefore they Had to be able to eliminate her because they couldn't write that. She couldn't write that book for random. House and so you know in that situation, you look at motive and then you know we now know with an eyewitness that J. Edgar Hoover sent his agents into her off into her her townhouse to destroy that that file of hers that thick file of hers on the the investigation of JFK. So he becomes even more of a suspect than he was before as well as Carlos Marcello the, New, York, New Orleans Don who had another motive to have who to have eliminated. Dorothy is Pataki still alive. Yes he is and and You know this has been an exciting time since I was on the show last. Some some successes and failures It's amazing. You know I've been able to show. You know the fact that we're still trying to hide the truth with with the Ruby trial transcripts, for instance, which are the most important documents about the assassination, and clearly show a plot to kill the president, the Sixth Floor Museum at Daily Plaza in Dallas still. Distorts history with only information about the Oswald alone theory, and then my attempts to get dorothy and investigation George. It's amazing to me Vance Junior. The New York district attorney is you know agreed to do a thorough investigation and then he pulled the plug after eight months. I went to New York I think I told you in February and met Commissioner. Shade Dermot, Shea of the New York. Police Department I shook his hand. There's a photograph of him in me on on my website, Mark Shaw Books Dot Com. He gave me name of a detective in his department and the detectives You Know Business Card and said that I could communicate with that detective I got back to my home. In California, I sent emails to that detective none were answered. I left a phone message for them none were answered and finally I realized that what Shea had done was in in many ways shameless it really lied to me in my face he I don't think he ever intended for the detective to get back to me and so that really has disappointed. Me There's a letter I wrote to Shay? That's on my website. Mark. Shaw Books Dot Com complaining about what happened. I, filed a freedom of information request trying to get them to go forward because of all the new evidence I have about Ron Pataki. It's overwhelming George that he was complicit in Dorothy death and besides using a fellow researcher as kind of. Shield here, which I believe is really derogatory with any officer WHO's under the command of the Commissioner of the New York Police Department a killer is GonNa go free here unless they investigate and that this case qualifies on every level as a cold case squad investigation and yet I can't get them to go after this I you know I assume your audience. And maybe you as well or thinking why is everybody scared of Dorothy Kilgallen case that happened in nineteen sixty did she know? Did she know and there's something there and of course you know we both know when the government is investigating the government, it's an uphill battle but this little pint-size woman scares the hell out of people with regard to what she. Knew about the assassination nobody wants to jump into that case at all but I'm not gonNA give up I'm GONNA keep trying I'm going to expose what she did and I'm going to try to get an independent investigation. What do you think Jack Ruby Toltar- in his prison cell? Well, this is this is fascinating because I just gotTa Chill George because again today. I think I think Ruby where what do we know Dorothy? Did she lost her file? So we don't have the notes in the new book by the way I have a picture of her in Daley Plaza. Show she was right there and right at the trial Where did she go right after the the ruby trial she didn't go to Washington DC and look into Johnson President Johnson or the CIA or anybody she didn't. You know stay in Dallas she went to New Orleans and as we both know I've looked at the assassination differently than anybody ever has why Bobby Kennedy was not killed instead of why JFK was and when you have that perspective, which is the same one that Dorothy had i. believe you realize that Marcello? Pursued by Bobby Kennedy Right. After Kennedy became Attorney General and we had deported him and charged him with racketeering. Then got back in a guild. Bobby kill JFK so bobby would be powerless. And she successfully had one trip there. Remember that was a very mysterious trip with her hairdresser saying in the video tapes that I have on the Dorothy kilgallen story dot org that when they got there she she call them instead go back to New York don't anybody were here. She goes back to New York and unfortunately start she starts saying if the wrong people knew what I know about the JFK assassination could cost me my life I'm I'm afraid for my life and my family I've bought a gun and she was dead shortly thereafter. So, where did ruby? What did Ruby say? Well, today this gentleman who got in touch with me from Florida told me that he interviewed two of the children of Dorothy Richard Junior, and Kerry, and while they were talking, they said to him that Jack Ruby had told Dorothy that if he could just get in front of an independent jury, he would tell the truth about what happened. Wow and I think when when Dorothy learned that that's what extended her her investigation and into New Orleans where we are right now ruby. No, Carlos Marcello. Oh. It's just amazing. Traffic he knew them both he was running strip clubs for them. He this all goes back to my first book about this assassination about Melvin Belli, the San Francisco lawyer that I knew in practice law with in the eighties and you know who was Jack Ruby's lawyer and he was all mobbed up with Mickey Cohen and all of that brought into silence Jack Ruby, and of course then ruby we connect easily with with Marcello through his underlings because Marcello Empire George extended to Dallas and and you know there's these little things that dorothy picked up and and and it's amazing to me that people miss. Them back. Then the very first visitor to Jack, Ruby in jail was a guy named camp easy and and he and Joe Savell Joe Camp, easy and Joseph Fellow but camp easy with the first one. Well, who was he working for in? Dallas Carlos Marcello trophic content the named Jimmy Hoffa Coma much mark in your work. What's that Jimmy Hoffa's named had come up much yeah. It did and it comes through an interesting book by Franker. Gano who was a lawyer in Florida? You may have heard his name but it's called mob lawyer I suggested people read it because imagine this as your as your three main clients. James Hoffa Santo Trauma Kante and Carlos Marcello. and. I interviewed regattas widow Nancy and she was able to tell me about the connections between Hoffa. The gangsters, Ruby Oswald being I. Now have an eyewitness who saw Oswald in Marcello is restaurant in in New Orleans you know you can easily connect all of those people and I'll tell you what the common denominator is common sense. That's what Dorothy was really good at you know at the at the. Sam Sheppard case or the Lindbergh baby kidnapping case I. Mean. She was she she was a better trial lawyer than most trial lawyer right? She really was. This case too with the. Situation with Hoffa, he hated bobby. Kennedy hated him with a passion well, I. I would. I would think you would when the Attorney General of the United States tries to strangle you I mean when when the when Hoffa tries to strangle the attorney general of the United States yeah I think that's hatred and so you know they they all had a motive you know bobby. Kennedy is a big part of the new book collateral damage. I'm going to get an exodus of Dorothy Gilgo Marilyn Monroe and JFK and the common denominator there is Bobby Kennedy you know I. It's amazing. You know you have three deaths there George within forty months. Maryland is in August two, sixty, two, JFK November. Sixty three and Dorothy November sixty five. Forty months all three of these individuals a died and I've been amazed now at the similarities I found in each of their lives and their professional and private lives, and then connecting them together with regard to their tragic deaths, and then eventually bobby goes and then bobby is killed in sixty eight and and you know again commonsense look what happened win Bobby Kennedy Jack Kennedy died Bobby Kennedy was powerless. He broke up that that huge group of federal investigators never went after those those mobsters again LBJ basically stymied he resigned in September of Nineteen, sixty seven. then. He's going to run for president. Now many people asked me to write this book about Maryland with Dorothy and and JFK, but they also want me to write about Bobby Kennedy's death because use a little common sense. Is there any connection between Sirhan Sirhan and the same gangsters? I never looked into that but somebody certainly should because common sense would say what? These gangsters are now free of Bobby Kennedy and then Kennedy run for president. What would be the first thing he would do when he entered the White House, he would go back and investigate those guys for their participation in his brother's death Yup and remember what Bobby said and this has been. Proven by many other people besides me. What did he say when he heard that the JFK had been had been killed well I. thought it would be me of course. He knew it what it was supposed to be him and that's what the prosecutor of Jack Ruby Bill Alexander told me he expected Bobby Kennedy to be killed. They were concerned if bobby got killed JFK would assigned some other prosecutors to go after the same people. You know it doesn't take too much to think that Bobby Kennedy. They couldn't let him become president, United States. It just wasn't going to happen. You know net Poe Edgy you you may have interviewed him. An incredible writer who wrote wise guys and those films he used to tell me you know you can't mess around with those mafioso the Sicilians it's all about revenge and I think I, may have told you this story before a personal story when I was with Good Morning America and covering trials and things they sent me to Philadelphia. To interview the lawyer for Angelo Anthony Ruse Russo or whatever his name was. the Angelo Bruno the main gangster in Philadelphia and they they were trying to get into Atlantic city. So I. Went to Philadelphia I sat down with this lawyer and he started telling me things about You know the Mafia boss it I didn't think he should be telling me they played that in the next day the tape of it on good morning, America Sandy Hill, and David Hartman maybe your listeners will remember. And they said look well, he talked to you again because it was a big hit and I said, well, I'll find out I called his office, the secretary answered. She was kind of whimpering and I said are you okay and she said, well, I guess you don't know Mr Shaw he was sitting in his car this morning and it blew up. That was during that time. All those car bombings were happening mess around with those guys Joe. Kennedy, you know pointing Bob telling JFK to point Bobby Kennedy double crossing them. You know it all comes around in life George and you know it's it's really unfortunate that that Jack Kennedy died he should have never died. That's part of the collateral damage here as Maryland is and it's Dorothy Kilgallen is in the new book. Did I ever tell you that? I may have been one of the last newsman to talk to Jimmy Hart? No May nineteen seventy-five in Detroit I, invite him to a TV show. I was producing he came in he did it I walked him to his car. We chatted a little bit. We shook hands and off he went my theory is twofold mark with Jimmy Hoffa, I think one he wanted to regain the the teamster presidency and the mob was so involved with Frank Fitzsimmons getting better deals than they were getting with Jimmy they didn't want Jimmy back but I also think part of me. Thanks. The Jimmy was going to rat on them over the JFK assassination. Oh yes. Never, thought of so they. So they bump him off because they were afraid he was going to talk interesting because well, look you know he and Marcelo and traffic contact were three birds together and Frank Redondo connects them completely. So that makes sense I I think I'll try to look into that. Is it alright if I yeah that's could be another book free research here. Absolutely you know mine was first hand experience but that I always had that feeling when I was with Hoffa that it wasn't just the teamster presidency where he was after there was something else. But while he was a, he was a tough strong unionist There were times when companies would abuse the American working man or woman, and they needed a tough president and in those days those unions used muscle as the companies did to fight back and he was there at the right time. Ironically, his son is the president of the teamsters union. Now, I think that's right isn't it? Sure is but but I always had that feeling that's a slice of history that you You know we're able to meet and talk with him and and all of that, and and this is all about history people probably wonder why are we talking about the assassination that happened years and years and years ago? Well, it's about history and I'm about history and I bought. Abolishing distortions of history just like you are. We're both looking for the truth. Listen to more coast to coast. 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Hoffa, Chapter 3 - Blood Feud
"Today's episode of shattered is brought to you by tubbies Detroit's original steak and cheese since nineteen sixty eight for more crime and less talk check out true crime chronicles from volt studios true crime. Chronicles is a weekly please show covering cases from across the country every week serial killers cold cases the lost and the missing true crime chronicles it features veteran crime reporters mining newsroom archives in case files exploring unsolved mysteries infamous criminals and under reported cases. It's a new true crime story every week true crime chronicles from Vault Studios Eh and in the last Kosovo we detailed Jimmy Hoffa's evolving relationship with members of the Mafia in the early nineteen fifties. He began working with a new york-based gangster. Hank stern named Johnny deal. He was actually my neighbor though. I never met the guy does relationship with deal and other mobsters that finally moved the federal government to go after Hoffa but you could argue that the final Straw that led to the Hoffa. Investigations was something that happened. In the spring of Nineteen fifty. Six Victory Zell was a radio host and syndicated columnist for the Daily Mirror in New York. He wrote a column called Inside Hard Labor in in the column you know He. He was famous for denouncing Communist influence in unions And then by the Early nineteen fifties. He was also denouncing Racketeers and union and then He was hopeful. Suggesting that racketeers and communists were working Kim together in an alliance to to gain power historian David Whitmore and so he wrote and really I kind of say like Very dramatic attic over blown language But he was a you know he had ties to labor movement and he was for lots of small regional newspapers. He was the best expert that people had on labor and then he had a radio show too that he would do and he would sometimes have union distant that would appear on the radio show and on this one particular night April Fifth Nineteen fifty six. He had had like A couple of dissidents from the operating engineers union and then after the broadcast it's late say eleven o'clock and so they go to Lindy's restaurant on Broadway so it kind of famous restaurant and you get cheesecake and coffee and stuff. And then then they're leaving in this group group of people and this guy comes up to him and Without saying anything throws a vial of acid in his face was rushed to the hospital but he's permanently blind and there's immediate speculation about who would have done this right and so one argument with Communist because attacks excellent communists and then the notion is it's racketeers because tack on Racketeer's and when he finally is able to talk after a couple of weeks in the hospital. He held a press conference in the hospital room. He says I was attacked. Because of the racketeers Because of my crusading efforts and they won't stop me you know they. They can blind me but I can still go after them with my typewriter and around the same time the. US Attorney in the Southern District of New York. Hold his own press this conference and he says it was racketeers and it was done because Results been helping me in my Grand Jury Investigation of Labor racketeering which just launched and so this was a this was an effort to intimidate a federal witness and to stop this investigation racketeering and meanwhile this becomes a huge case the FBI signs A huge number of of agents to pursue this case and Eventually they they don't get the guy that through the aspirin because he's killed before they can arrest but they get the group of people who had worked with the acid throwers and through those people they get to the guy who they think orchestrated the whole thing. My old neighbor Johnny deal and then the case goes to trial and Kind of a classic case so two of the conspirators had agreed initially to cooperate with the FBI. And that's how the FBI identified Joe's role in it But when it comes time time to testify we're in pre witness protection and so both of the witnesses decides that they won't be willing to testify in court because clearly they're afraid of their lives and their families live so in refusing to testify they both Instead of cooperating to get ten to twenty year jail sentences but they'd rather do that than testify against yeah and so the government's case collapses and No this all happens by say the fall of nineteen fifty six this this too is seen as ah as an example of the great power. That labor racketeers now have they can defy the federal government in Stymie Investigations from W. D. R. V. in Detroit and Graham media actually guarantee all this shadow new season for Hoffa episode three Bloodfeud in the high profile attack on Victor Rozelle galvanize support for the government to go after corruption and labor unions in a big way. But actually there's more to the rebel story that David Whitmer says the FBI was not eager to share so. Let me tell you the true story of the acid that attack I did a freedom of information requests from the FBI it took years to get by the FBI officially concluded that it was johnny deal. Who ordered the attack? DOC on Rozelle right. That's the story. The problem is if that's to stop Rozelle from writing stories about. Do Rozelle doesn't write stories about. Do there are no crusading columns that target him. At least not within the last previous three or four four years what is is evidence that Rozelle has been talking to particular Labor racketeers in New York and telling them that if they don't want to be the subject of his column. They need to pay him money among those giving money to Rozelle was johnny deal the FBI fines that deal and Brazil actually appear to be friends. People have seen him out together. It appears that if do did orchestrate the acid attack. It wasn't because he feared victory cells crusade against racketeering. The best that I could find was there were there was at least one employer who described how he wanted. He wanted to avoid having his workplace organized. By a strong union he had contacted Rozelle and Rozelle Zell had arranged for him to pay Rozelle money. That rozelle within us to get a paper local that would organize the employers union. So David Whitworth doesn't know why somebody attacked victories with acid but it wasn't because Rozelle was a righteous journalist out to stop corruption and Labor that my assumption is if if Brazil out there taking money and using his connection with the To make that money and he's not giving you a share of that money that would be a reason but none of this has ever made public widmer says the FBI never told the real story because the more compelling version of this crusading sating anti-racketeering journalists better serve their interests by keeping the real story secret. The government could sell their own version as a way to promote the crusade played against Labor racketeering and what our crusade it was the Senate opened investigations. Chief Legal Counsel was Bobby Kennedy Kennedy. Who made it his life's mission to prove the teamsters were dirty and that their leaders President Dave Beck Vice President? Jimmy Hoffa were to blame. I mean Bobby Kennedy to me is the greatest crimefighting who's ever lived. This is investigative reporter. Dan Will Dale us any Mafia. You guys for breakfast. And then when he became attorney general he started eating Mafia guys for lunch and dinner to this guy was relentless. I'm going after the mock doc. My name is Marvin. Ma I B. I N O Kipnes E. L. K. I. N. D. and nine thousand nine hundred fifty two thousand nine hundred fifty six. I was the driver for Mister. Jimmy Hoffa Jimmy Hoffa ever talk about a a Kennedy's Barber County. He spoke about Bobby Kennedy all the time with great hate. He's thought he came from a very bad family like that. He was raised where everything he thought was right and it went way beyond politics. He had a great hate for Bobby Kennedy Attorney in some ways the relationship between Jimmy Hoffa and Bobby Kennedy was actually very simple Hoffa. I saw a spoiled rich kid. Kennedy's saw corrupt racketeer. I think an aide to JFK actually described it best. He called their rivalry. A blood bloodfeud driven by hatred on both sides in one thousand nine hundred fifty six. Jimmy Hoffa was vice president of the International Brotherhood hood of teamsters. He had already earned his reputation. He was a tough guy with suspected ties to organized crime on the other hand. Bobby Kennedy was just building his reputation nation as a crimefighter. James neff wrote a book about the Kennedy Hoffa feud called Vendetta at the time of the rackets hearings in nineteen fifty he six and fifty seven when they kicked off John F. Kennedy was thought of as a rich playboy and nobody knew really who Robert F Kennedy was yes so the hearings themselves Hoffa in effect made them big political celebrities because of their their televised televised battle over the years. Bobby Kennedy's appetite to go after. The teamsters may have been at least in part a function of Ego Pulitzer Prize winning investigative reporter Guy Named Clark Clark Mowlem Hof had uncovered ties between Labor and organized crime. He baited Kennedy into taking on the unions challenging his manhood. He was almost bullying bobby saying well. You'll never go after the unions because your brother might want to run for president some day and you're a Democrat and you need the union so you're not tough enough to go after the unions but you need to have this committee that you're on. Take a look at Labor Labor racketeering. Oh and they did. In February of Nineteen fifty seven the Senate's McClellan Committee under Chairman John. McClellan opened hearings on the influence of organized crime in Labor Mitha Chairman of the case. I just wanted to find out where he got the money now. McClellan was a shrewd guy. He named Bobby Kennedy Chief Counsel which made him responsible for questioning witnesses. Mrs At place in the spotlight was no accident. McClellan new the hearings would produce outrage from organized labor. And he wanted that race pointed at somebody else. Kennedy went straight at Hoffa. Did you say that. SOB outbreak his back. Who you need the whole Joe so anyone can give a speech? I don't even know what I was talking about. I don't know what you're talking about Mr Hoffa all I'm trying to find out I'll tell you what I'm talking about and trying to find out who's back you. Were going the break vigorous speech. Thank you speech acquainted with a big deal for America. Let's televise where people interested at taught. The hearings became a very big deal very quickly here. This became just the place to be and people would line up early in the morning and the wines through the Senate building going on and on and on so I was really a very hot ticket. Now keep in mind. This was long before a cable. TV on the Internet the McClellan hearings provided great entertainment. A familiar theme emerged one. That Bobby Kennedy had once been challenged with. You're not tough enough. If it wasn't for the fact that the majority of the people are in central faith cop and people under your thinking. Can you got people in Detroit. At least being you've got going Glencoe in Chicago I you're not tough enough to get rid of the people that well I don't propose any of them. I don't act top of the International Union. Hafa like to talk about how tough he was laws and how many push ups he could do. And Bobby Kennedy. who also like to Brag about how tough he was and how many push ups he did he would later? Tell people well when someone I'm GonNa ask tell me how tough they are. The aren't really all that tough. What's interesting here? Is that the observers of the hearings said it was Kennedy. Not who seem flustered not often. He mostly claimed loss of memory to over one hundred questions. I'm saying that I do not recall the best of my recollection. They discussion of that subject. I may have had it helped me. I don't recall to hop. I'm not asking you just about one discussion. I'm saying that you met and discussed with Mr Deal. A number of different times during this period of time and mustered senator is pointed out the other day and you didn't take action to it exception to it that you had a very very good memory it. It amazes me that you have such a poor memory about your relationship with Johnny deal during these this these months of nineteen fifty three on. It may amaze you. I assure you that my memory as the best I can recall at this moment is such throughout the hearings. It seemed like Hoffa if I had the advantage but he didn't like surprises so he tried to plant a spy inside the committee. A friend of his put him in contact with a former secret service agent. A guy named John Chassis Hoffa set up a meeting. Now the deal with simple. Get a job on the committee as an investigator spy on Kennedy and report back off his Mo was often to get people on the inside and to become a mole for him. The chassis would get two thousand dollars a month for nine months. Testy said later that he felt Hoffa was asking him to pee. trae his country. He you wouldn't do it instead. Reported the bribe to Kennedy and the FBI set up a sting. HOFFA and chastain chastain. Arrange to meet in Washington chassis would pick up Hoffa in a taxi. You know the only way to make sure there were no bugs or wires. Of course Hoffa didn't know the driver was an FBI agent. They wrote and talked chassis. Shock Hoffa some files they were actual committee. Documents is only offer. Good luck but chesty had to put files back that night the FBI was watching and recording the whole exchange. Turn the next day. Chesty Calls Hoffer. He's got more documents they arrange your meet outside. HOFFA's hotel chassis hands over an envelope. You can keep this one as well for walks back into the hotel lobby the FBI moves in and Jimmy Hoffa's under arrest. Now that case would eventually go to trial. But let's not get ahead of the story. In the summer of Nineteen fifty seven teamsters President Day back was indicted eventually eventually convicted of fraud and sent to prison. This cleared the way for Jimmy Hoffa who was elected teamsters president by a wide margin and jubilant Jimmy Taupo sweeps in new president of teamsters. I think that there was inside. Information about that. Made its way to the committee and back was taken down very very quickly by the committee and it was quite a surprise. It's widely believed though never proven that the information information federal prosecutors used to bring down day back came from Jimmy Hoffa. He was riding a huge wave of popularity among the union rank and file humanity the human spirit of unionism in this country so as the Senate hearings near the end Hafa was cool and confident. He's like a savvy prizefighter bryce fighter. He Bobby Kennedy never landed a punch. Do you have any evidence of the twenty thousand dollars in cash that you put into the business. I don't need any evidence. You'll take my word Bart as internal revenue hats so in that battle of heavyweights offer versus body. was there a winter. I don't it seemed like Hoffer may have gotten the upper hand on on Robert Kennedy during those hearings. If you wanted to say who one uh-huh Bobby Orr or Jimmy. I would have to say it was kind of the Knicks decision here at the Kennedy Plaza Feud would take a bloody bloody tragic turn. 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I'm not satisfied when I see men like Jimmy Hoffa in charge of the largest union in the United States date still free in families where John Kennedy who solemnly swear that you can the office. The president of the United States I will faithfully execute the president of the United States of Europe. John Kennedy was elected president when you named his brother. Bobby the Attorney General which was very controversial choice. Bobby Kennedy quickly set up a task force referred to by many as the get hoffer squad. This is author James. NEFF when Bobby Kennedy and Jimmy Hoffa were were in the Mr Vendetta and as it tamped up starting in fifty seven and continuing each used every tactic in the book they planted moles in each other's camps a wiretapped each other are they Did they use their propaganda apparatus. Bobby Kennedy leaking and providing Secret documents and things that were public to reporters so they'd write about offer using international teamster two thousand circulation magazine A.. And other his PR apparatus to Besmirch RFK. Just like our Hoffman so they they had an entire arsenal donald tactics destroy joe in nineteen sixty. Two HOFFA went on trial for the charges involving John. Tasty the lawyer he had tried to bribe during the Senate hearings suggest anything to you. Mr Hall doesn't suggest anything except the fact that you're trying again and you have many times in this. Hearing to bring a headline Bob Arnot embarrassed Hoffa. That's all Kennedy. Believe he had a slam dunk convictions. Cash might have. He was asked for a prediction of the outcome and said if Hoffa is acquitted. I'll jump off the top of the Capitol Dome while the trial ended with a hung jury back now. Hoffa was represented by a young lawyer named Edward Bennett Williams who became pretty famous in the years. That followed had been at Williams sent a a parachute over the bobby. Kennedy's office to kind of. Give them a little dig. How thought also sent along a one word note which simply red jump? I stand here today before you as part of that port and took it out and I have not been gilding are guilty now. President Kennedy was angry at the outcome. His brother had lost a Hoffa again. Only Jimmy Hoffa and rejoice at his continued good luck honest union members and the general public and only regard it as a tragedy but the real tragedy was just over the horizon Ariza bulletin from CBS News in Dallas Texas. Three shots were fired up president. Kennedy's motorcade motorcade in downtown Dallas. The first reports say that President Kennedy has been seriously wounded by this shooting. November twenty second can one thousand nine hundred sixty three from Dallas Texas. The flash apparently official President Kennedy died at one. PM Central Central Standard Time two o'clock eastern standard time. Some thirty eight minutes ago every person old enough to remember that day knows where they were when the news broke. Jimmy Hoffa was in Miami Hammy in the restaurant when off a learned that he got to his feet and cheered and was very happy about that and then after that he refused to drop the flag half mast teamster headquarters in DC despite the urgings and getting in fights with his number two so he said I'm not a hypocrite. I care for the guy so why should I say. I'm sorry that he's gone fast. Forward from there are sixteen years late nineteen seventies. A congressional committee reviewed the evidence of the Warren Commission and they concluded that the original investigation got it wrong. The assassination had been a conspiracy but who CIA Pentagon Cuban exiles now none of the above evidence evidence pointed to a conspiracy of mafia chiefs with Jimmy Hoffa right in the center. I believe Hoffa put a contract out on John Kennedy to stop his brother. This is investigative reporter. Dan will dare. I think that the contract was picked up by Carlos Marcello the Mafia boss of New Orleans Santo Trophic Hoti Mafia boss of Tampa Florida who that arrange executed the murder. Uh Robert Blakey served as is chief counsel on that Congressional Committee he remembers an interview with an FBI informant. who had been in prison with Carlos Marcello and the informant? It says once while they were outside exercising the assassination came up because Marcello talked about it all the time and he said I did it and I would do it again. You know. Basically yes. There was a conspiracy. I did do it again. If you read the findings of that committee you'll see Hoffa's name all over it. This is a quote from the committee the long and close relationship between Hoffa and powerful leaders of organized crime. His intense dislike of John and Robert Kennedy dating back to their role in the McClellan Senate investigation together with his other criminal activities led the committee to conclude that the former teamsters union president president had the motive means and opportunity for planning an assassination attempt upon the life of President John F Kennedy and quote. And how about this eerie connection between Hoffa and Jack Ruby. The guy who killed Lee Harvey Oswald Oswald quote. The committee confirmed the existence of several contacts between Ruby and associates of Hoffer during the period of October and November number. Nine thousand nine hundred sixty three including one HOFFA aid whom Robert Kennedy had once described as one of Hoffa's most violent lieutenants and coke doc regardless of these and any other findings no charges were ever brought in the Kennedy assassination. Um but it doesn't end there. Jimmy Hoffa also allegedly tried to recruit a corrupt union boss from Louisiana named Ed hearten to bomb bobby. Kennedy's home in an interview with journalist. Dan Moldavia ed part and shared details of a conversation. He said he wants had with Taufa. Now it's a little hard to make out the words but Parton says Hoffa was asking him to get some plastic explosives flowed. ooh I warned when all the Barney that damn that's all up and I said you mean the kids to he said that's that's right now what you had. I AIN'T GONNA be no part of that kid being killed. He says Hoffa Hoffa didn't care that Kennedy's kids might be their conductor. Your affairs is the head of a allowed union. I think as an American teen six four prosecutors brought new charges of jury tampering against Hoffa the key government witness this time ed pardon to the end off denied it all even even by manufacturing as he did Liberte lies just store shootings creating Abe elite when I had something to go at the jury tampering. If there was such in the midst of legal troubles Hoffa was still hard at work within the teamsters union just three months prior to the jury tampering charges. He had gotten the master freight agreement signed in Chicago which he considered the high point of his career rear. It guaranteed standardize protection and benefits for more than four hundred fifty thousand over the road and local drivers a later that year. He was convicted of jury tampering and sentenced to eight years plus an additional five years for fraud in his misuse of the Union Pension Fund. HOFFA's rain over. The teamsters union was finished. As for Bobby Kennedy. He resigned his position as attorney general and never recovered from the devastation of his brother's murder. I went up to talk to him. Say Goodbye this. Is Robert Blakey again. who was the chief Counsel Council on the House? Select Committee on assassinations. He also worked very closely with Bobby Kennedy in the early sixties and and the hand was like Fish and his eyes were not there. I mean we had a nice. Little compensation cannot left but it wasn't the same person who had conversations with about cases on March seventh nineteen sixty seven Jimmy Hoffa checked into the Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary in Pennsylvania. He vowed he would return and somebody would pay the price. Shattered is produced an edited. By Zach Rosen and Jeremy Allen now. If you'd like to help support our show will become a member of shattered plus for just three ninety nine a month or twenty five dollars a year. You'll get exclusive access to bonus episodes of office you'll also get our regular episodes without ads on this week's bonus episode. We're bringing you a live. I show that we did back. At the beginning of December it was a kickoff event for this season I interviewed former assistant. US Attorney Keith. Corbett as well as journalist analyst. Scott Bernstein. We did the event at Andaman Restaurant in Bloomfield Township Michigan which in nineteen seventy five. was the Marcus Red Fox. The last place Jimmy Hoffa was seen to hear my conversation with Corbett Bernstein and to get access to a whole bunch of other bonus episodes join shattered plus today go to shattered. PODCASTS DOT COM to make it happen next week on the show. Just because I like you. We're going to publish a bonus episode in this fee. We'll take a look behind the curtain the JFK assassination. You'll find out why the FBI was more focused focused on Kennedy's car than his murder. And then the following week. We'll bring you episode four comeback Hoffa's battle to regain control troll. The teamsters is on but some players he worked with in the past. I've got pretty comfortable with Frank Fitzsimmons. Who Hoffa installed as president just to keep the seat Moore expert listening? We'll talk to you soon yeah
Joe McCarthy - Part 1: The Power of Personality
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Joseph McCarthy was a Republican US senator from the State of Wisconsin from nineteen forty seven until his death in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, seven. He was the public face of the nineteen fifties, fears and resulting political activism. During United States versus Soviet Union Cold War tensions regarding communist subversion in the United States. He alleged that numerous communist Soviet spies and sympathizers had infiltrated the United States federal government as well as academic universities Hollywood, and other places a practice that came to be coined McCarthyism. Part of his practice was teams smear tactics to attack the character or patriotism of his subject and. The Senate censored him for this. I'm Dr Gail Saltz and this is personality. My guest today is journalist and author. Larry Hi was a New York Times bestselling author an author of the newly released demagogue, the life and long shadow of Senator Joe McCarthy. As well as the book Bobby Kennedy, the making of a liberal icon. Taiwan's the boston-based health coverage fellowship, which helps the media do a better job reporting on critical issues like public health, mental health, and high. Tech. Medicine. He was an award-winning writer for the Boston Globe. Joe McCarthy was born in Nineteen Oh eight on a farm. In Grand Chute in Wisconsin, and that he was the fifth of seven children in terms of his home life in Wisconsin. There was nothing extraordinary or remarkable. Let's say about his circumstances it was a pretty typical farm life in Wisconsin with parents who were Irish. Descendants irish-americans but maybe you could talk a little bit about that that family life and that early time and how it was it was formative for him from a very early age Joe, McCarthy was both very competitive and very entrepreneurial. He was competitive in that. He was as soon as he got his first pair. Of boxing gloves looking for anybody to duke it out with in the family or in the neighborhood, and he was entrepreneurial in that at a very young age having graduated from Grammar School. He went out and became a chicken tycoon and what that meant was he had thousands of laying hens and he built this little empire and it worked brilliantly until he got sick and trusted his empire some people to look it over for a while and A virus spread among the birds and they died and he went from being a tycoon to being penniless, which is the natural state of affairs in small farms, his with big families in Wisconsin, and that meant he had to reinvent himself and he reinvented himself by being a Maven at a store called cash way one of a series of stores that were like a seven. Eleven and again, he stood out his store quickly became the best selling in that little cash way empire Joe McCarthy showed that he didn't have to have an education that he could make a go of it, and then at a point when he was about twenty years old, he finally decided that he wanted to do more that may be getting an education wasn't a bad idea. So I think a lot of people who look at the caricatured view of Joe McCarthy think this wasn't a very smart guy. He was a big brawny sort of bully light guy. In fact, he was smart enough that when he finally decided to go to high school, he made it through four years in a single year, which was extraordinary in which led him to college and to the first lie of his life to go back for a second a couple of really interesting things about what what could we see this kid that might have. Helped US understand how he would come to be the kind of adult that he did and a couple of interesting points one is the temperament that you point out that he was as a kid by all evidence extremely competitive and had certain kinds of ambition. The ambition might have changed focus. You know whether it was I gotta get done with high school in one year or to make money as this chicken tycoon but they were they were extraordinary feats in their own way and he was very driven in the pursuit of them. And that the competitiveness sometimes manifested itself in as you brought up this very aggressive form. So he he was very into boxing and he thought nothing of really laying it all out there with child opponents essentially but he would also teach. He would also teach other people to box. So he was complicated people when they think of Joe McCarthy, right? They like to be. Very Black and white. They like to say you know he was all a bag die or no he wasn't a bad guy or he was all paranoid or no he wasn't. But you see even early on that he was a very he was multidimensional. He could. He could say I'm GonNa, teach you how to box or he could pummel you and knock you out and. Highly highly aggressive. And I think it's just important that we sort of as we think about him that keep that duality. The different sides of of him in mind I think it's important that we consider the family aspirations the Father Tim came bought all this land made a farm of it. He already risen himself up from where he was. They wanted their kids to be something and do something a completely different kind of family where aspirations were. Would you be able to sort of make money and take care of yourself? Let's say I'm an so he really was the only child who showed the academic. And the kind of drive to go on and complete education and a rapid way and aspire even to college. That was not something typical for the family. Everything you said is true and I wanNA take three threads that I think defined Joe's early life. First of all, you said in ending that the. This was not something that his parents saw as an aspiration for their kids. That's absolutely true and in fact, Joe said in later life that it would have scared the heck out of his mother. If she had ever seen him rise to the Senate I mean he was going not to mention becoming the national and international figure that he became but the three threads in his early life that stayed with him throughout were number one emission sort of highly competitive and ambitious and that would have meant something. In and of itself, but it was combined with real talent. So he head ambition in he had the ability to see the ambition through and those might have made him into a great. Figure of high stature in the country that we'd be looking at in a revered way today, if it wasn't for the third element that was a part of his personality from very early on and that was opportunism and that was the willingness to do whatever it took to see that embiid through. It's a sort of scary triumvirate. If you add natural talent, the ambition that drives you to do. Something that's GonNa put you in the limelight and the willingness to do anything including, embellish or outright lie to get you where you want it to go. Those three were an amazing combination for a politician to have and what made him successful but also took him beyond to the point where you and I seventy years later talking about him because he made a name for himself and he became an ISM which. Is An unusual thing to become. It's such a good point about opportunism which touches on the question of what is your moral compass moral compasses are formed initially in childhood and continue to develop you know I'd say in early adulthood and then they're they're pretty formed by then. So your family of origin has a big impact on your moral compass, and in fact, he had what at the time would be called God Of Christian. Irish Catholic. Parents, they were not a super religious family, but they were a religious family and Catholicism was important. But as his parents saw him, not necessarily, let's say following the rules all the time in terms of his early business and breaking the rules for his betterment today would be allowed to complete high school in one year that would just not be allowed even if you academically could do it skirting the rules for his better meant was something that seemed to be acceptable and approved of by the family and not really questioned. Judging from things that his siblings said about him over the years and judging from things that his father did to enable what he did over the years I think his family were partly in awe of him. He was by far the most charismatic he an early age made clear that he was the one who was going to put the McCarthy name somewhere I don't think they ever saw it being quite worried ended up but I also think that there was in a way that any family of that size and of that sort of. Middle America solidity. There was a sense that they were going to support him. No matter what he did and they were going to over the years justify what he did. No matter what he did and I think. They were a bit in awe of and I don't think they quite knew what to do with him just like most people who came in contact with him over the years one of the things that was another thread that ran through his entire life starting with his college career and even high school and going all the way through the end of his life was. That people perpetually underestimated him. He looked more like a pugilist then like a politician and he looked like somebody who didn't have the looks or the charisma to rise to become the second, most popular person in America, and so. That was part of what he used to get ahead. I think was having people perpetually underestimate just how smart he was and just how ruthless he was. Let's take a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. Edge Let's imagine a world where no one ever cuts corners potato chip bags are filled to the top of the car in front of you at the stoplight notices. When it turns green will a place like this exists where script pizzas are placed in the square boxes and wings coming jumbo sites. We're talking about Ledo pizza with an all new online ordering website for easy ordering Lido Pizzas Square because Ledo pizza never cuts corners check it out at little pizza dot. COM What's it like to drive the Volvo xc ninety plug in Hybrid The thrill of four hundred horsepower a twin engine. The joy of impromptu road traffic. And the serenity. Of Electric Power Impure ecoed. Visit DMV, Volvo retailer today to experience the xc ninety recharge plug in hybrid for yourself. Betty? Did go to college actually college was sort of a blend with he. In, engineering that performed very poorly I worth noting that even though his high school principal said, you know this kid is unbelievable and you know wrote letters that you know that this kid has done something that's never been done and intellectually it's incredible. Then when he got to college, he was a pretty mediocre to not very good student and certainly engineering was not for him. He made this pivot to law which she thought would be easier and he would be able to do better in and perhaps it interested him more and he was a very average student he wasn't average student but. I think that was partly because he didn't have the capacity or the interest in working hard he would do something. Amazing. So as any of your listeners know who know anything about law school education, they're generally big classes and you generally have you break down into small study groups and it's that group that you bond with that group that you learn through and joe was brilliant at doing no work during the semester at showing up study group and being able to absorb everything his classmates were saying and I think that suggested the same capacity had in high school. He was a sponge she could. have an extraordinary amount of material and especially in a program like law where it was absorbing sort of giving back and it was a good law school but not a great law school. So he did fine and he did find it most courses. He did fairly mediocre and most of the courses on ethics and morality in college but he did well enough to get by he was somebody who is law school classmates years later remembered not for his intellectual rigor and but it was for his ability to soak it all in in the end and do what it took to get by and I think that that is in a way again. Knowing what we know about his later career. When we go back and look at the early career, we can say that that was classic Joe McCarthy, bending the rules doing four years in one year by absorbing what went on and studied group and not what went on in the classroom by taking three jobs when he was in college and being willing to do anything to earn the extra. To give him a little financial freedom and be able to take out the women that he was taking out and show them a good time. But he also did something which was kind of extraordinary. If you read anything that he said or wrote during the years about what had happened when he was in college, you would think that his parents cut him loose and said you make your own way where we find out later when we look at some of his personal records that in fact, his father was helping him in. School and never getting credit for it because that didn't fit with the image of self made Joe McCarthy who goes out and puts himself through school with three jobs, and he was even at a very young age looking to a resume that he knew what someday be important to him when he was going to go on and do great things and he was building that resume through some combination of accomplishment and embellishment you can even argue because of course, this was before he really even tried to turn to political life or was. There was evidence that he was planning on political life that just as important to him was maintaining enough denial and compartmentalization that he could hold onto his own personal ideal that he was a self made man that seemed to be important in the image that he was projecting even for himself that his father didn't help him. He did that he didn't get loans from friends which he did that you know people weren't providing him the information that he could sponge up. which is exactly what happened and along with that, you see evidence of the beginnings of this, I'll call it hedonism. He really liked to take out women number of women reported it was fun but not so enjoyable because at the end of the day was like an octopus, he didn't treat me. So nicely in college especially, he wanted to be the big guy on campus. He was willing to do even at that early stage in college whatever took and what that meant was when he ran for head of his. Law School class. When he wanted to be president of his law school class, he made a deal with this guy named Charles Current who was the guy who was running against him and the deal was in a way that a mench would do we'll each vote for one another we're not gonNa vote for ourselves and then we'll see what the rest of the class does. So they did that there was a tie vote in then in the second round McCarthy won by two votes and when they went back and sort of. Try to understand what had happened. He won because he voted for himself and when he was confronted by Charles Current and said, how could you do that? McCarthy said in all my campaigning I realized I really was the guy the better man as I was telling people that I was in you wouldn't want me to vote for somebody other than the better man. Now, what that really was was the classic sort of spin on the fact. That he just wanted to win and he would do what it took to win and I'm surprised the only surprise in the story to me is not what he did in the second round. But the actually voted for current in the first round he played by the rules once and that was an unusual thing. I think the other sort of surprising thing. But again, a testament to the kind of man that he was is that after that he managed to maintain the friendship she did too. He managed to then bend over backwards and be giving in. Some. Other way to I think he he said here, take my car I'm going to help drive you your father's sick. There was a story where he basically helped out the other guy to say like look I, did do this but like I really I met well and I still want to be your friend, his charisma and his ability to do that even after this is really I think is important because when we later go haunt look at what he does to people, he is able to maintain this splitting is it would be the psychological term. That he is divided into, he only sees the side he wants to see I'm not that bad guy who basically cheated right I voted for myself after we made a deal that we wouldn't do that I'm this good guy who will help you in dire situation and I'm really your friend and he managed to perpetuate those things not only in his head but extraordinarily and bring them to fruition. He did. So the psychological term splitting, the journalistic time that I'm comfortable with is contradictions and he was most interesting people in the world have contradictions very few. have as big a split or set of contradictions as John McCarthy, and so what he did perpetually throughout his early life and his career was he would savage somebody on the witness stand and then invite him out for a drink afterwards he thought that was all part of the game and don't you get the game and I'm still a good guy and I think that that helps explain why the State of Wisconsin ended up sending him to the Senate twice and why he rose to be as popular as he was, he had this measure of charisma. He was the guy he was a guy that I would love to have gone out for a drink with I wouldn't have wanted to get up in front of him in a witness stand I wouldn't have wanted to have to cover him but he was a guy who really was a regular guy except when he was bulldozing through you to get what he wanted and that. Set of contradictions was extraordinary people in later life would say he spent half of his life as a bulldog and the other half is a lapdog and managing to do both for as long as successfully as he did on the one hand is brilliant and on the other hand I think spelled his ultimate undoing. You can't have that kind of split a contradiction and last forever. So we've seen this you know historically again, and again in certain figures, they're usually leaders who preach something. In a in an incredibly strong and dog manner, we could be talking about You Know Mark Foley head of of of child and protective services within the government but you know who turned out to be having relations with young interns. We could be talking about haggerty and being reverend in preaching. You know intensely strongly the importance of you know. Anti. Homosexual anti-drugs anti all these things and doing all of those things so that the urge psychologically speaking the urge to do enjoy McCarthy's case to be very aggressive. So aggressive that you will mo- over and destroy anyone for your betterment. But the part of your mind that says will, that's that's not okay. I mean I at some level I know that's not okay and I'm not that bad guy I'm not the bad guy who to do that thing I'm really this other guy who'll take you out for drink and be your buddy and so that makes it okay and when those two things are so divided. And not integrated in a person's mind their ability to behave and really go to the Max on their unacceptable behaviours is. Is Sort of set free I guess I'll say it's unexamined and and certainly that seems to be to have been the case and I think this just sets the table. You can see how the sets the table for him to go on and do some of the now will go let's let's turn to some of those things will turn to his rise. Can I just make one comment on what you said you're the mental health expert and I, don't pretend to be able to psychoanalyze him as effectively as you do. But in most politicians when there is that kind of Split. The public persona is the good guy, and then we find out that there was something dark about them. What's unusual about? McCarthy is it was slipped the public persona was dark guy in the surprise as it had a good guy in him and that was part of what I was intrigued about finding out about when I was writing this book I had heard from a woman who to me is I'm part of a couple that were the most iconic. Liberals of my generation woman named Ethel Kennedy Bobby Kennedy's widow that Joe McCarthy she said to me when I was interviewing her for my biography of Bobby Kennedy. She said, Joe. McCarthy might have been a monster too much of America. But to us, he was just good plain fun and I thought Jeez. That's a side of him that I didn't know existed I'm not hearing it from some fellow traveling conservative I'm hearing it from this iconic liberal. Matriarch and I WANNA see that side was I wanna see if I can understand it and show that Joe McCarthy wasn't all of what we thought he was Well, the ability for many people who split to frame their dark side as good. Is is not unusual and so if you convince yourself that. the. Being, with an intern is caring for them to. If you you know if you if you can convince yourself that what you're doing is really an in the case of Joe McCarthy Righteous and protective and. You know even if somewhere else, you know it's for your own good. You know these things can become very compartmentalized. So it may become acceptable. It may become except more than acceptable may be evidence to yourself that you are. Are being as good as they get you know so to speak. Let's take a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. 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We already talked about that reputation of being willing to do anything and that included taking on his senior law partner the guy who gave him his big. Break Joe wanted to run for office and so that this guy so I should say I the first office Joe ever ran for was as district attorney and he may have been one of the least qualified people to ever run for that office, a young lawyer no real experience but nothing was going to hold him back and he runs for district attorney in an unusual way. Joe McCarthy. We think of in what we're given in the history books as one of the icons of the American right back. Then he runs for office as a Democrat as an avid flaming new dealer as a big supporter of Franklin. Roosevelt and there was only one problem in the part of Wisconsin where he was doing that Democrats didn't get elected and certainly flaming new. Dealers didn't get elected and McCarthy. Very quickly understood again, this motto that I will keep coming back to whatever it takes and what a took was sometime maybe in the middle of the night when nobody was looking you go and you change your party registration from Democrat to Republican, and then you pick an office as your first office when you've made that change a non partisan. That is a circuit court judge and the fact that your. Sponsor and legal partner wants to have that same office and deserves it. Who Cares you let them know at the last minute just as you're announcing and then you barrel over him and this guy named Mike ever line his law partner depending on the story over the years where McCarthy started getting more powerful ever line started getting less candid about admitting how outraged he? Was that Joe McCarthy had dissed him but you don't have to listen to what he said. You Watch what he did and suddenly Joe McCarthy wasn't his body and his law partner and McCarthy wins that office. He wins at partly by making an issue of the age of the incumbent any wins it by embellishing the age of the incumbent was old enough to become an. issue. But he picks an older age the income over time the incumbent made sounds like a whole lot of money. If you add up ten years and you put it together and you say, was he worth not five thousand dollars a year but was it worth fifty thousand dollars and he made it seem like this pillar of the legal community and of the general community. Was Somehow out scamming the public and it worked and he not only one office, but he converted that incumbent into what the incumbent's son called Joe McCarthy's first victim overnight the incumbent went from being this long serving judge to being scammer of the public and it wasn't true and it was a sign of Macau willingness to win office to do or say just about anything. To return for a second to McCarthy's moral compass. The use of. Alternative facts there for the birth of filtered facts. Frankly, these were outright lies not facts and he. It's not something that had typically been done. But he took to that and in addition to doing what he did to his law partner. let's just discuss the idea of no allegiance to one's ideology. Should Joe McCarthy? Having ideology. So I WANNA be consistent as biographer and when I wrote a biography Bobby Kennedy, I talked about it being growth that he went from being a Joe. McCarthy. Cold Warrior at the beginning of his career to becoming an iconic liberal figure. And I would love to be able to say what Joe McCarthy was doing was growing in his move from being liberal to being conservative I think what he was doing was showing that on that moral compass that you were talking about I don't know if there is a dial point in that compass of immorality but if there was he was amoral I think. His moral compass was to get ahead to see his ambition rewarded together limelight and he would have probably if you were here as part of this conversation we're having now said that he wanted that so that he could do important things in that. It didn't matter whether he came from the right of the left. If you got enough power, he could change things. that doesn't wash and the truth is that his change was because that was what it took to get elected and you could have argued with Bobby Kennedy that in fact, his electability what have been stronger hetty stayed closer to a middle of the road instead of going out there on the political left where he felt more comfortable in later life Joe McCarthy went wherever the ground was most solid in his electoral drive and I want to just say one of the things so. We were talking about the word embellishment. The reason I didn't call that ally is because I want to save lives for the really big ones he told, but it was a lie in what McCarthy learned brilliantly, and I think it remains true to this day is you don't get punished anymore for telling a big lie. Then you do a little lie and so over time he learned to tell whoppers. But in the early days, it was more a stretching than an ignoring of the facts. He goes on to become a judge in in that setting he he gets this reputation for clearing the backlog. quickly, he gets a reputation for granting divorces quickly, which is pretty fascinating for somebody from his religious background I'll just say that that seems like a real departure there, and then he also goes on to enlist in the war. even though as a judge he he was technically exempt it seems as though he thinks this will be good for him reputational early to he sees that being an enlisted. Man Actually. Has Been Helpful to other people who are trying to launch political careers and he he does do that. And again, we see during his time In the South Pacific we we see this duality of on the one hand he's claiming he goes on to claim he's things that he wasn't and he did things that he didn't hump because it had a because he's creating this narrative of you know being you know being a private of being at the lowest wrong working his way up being in the most. Dangerous tailgunner position and so on. That's all important. Even if it's untrue but he also there seems to be a lot of guys as you're pointing out who say, well, no, he was really you know he served well, he he he was part of our group as we watched each other's back and like I, I wanna be I wanna be serving with Joe. McCarthy. So things. That I was lucky in getting when I was writing, the book was for seventy years, since. McCarthy died and people have been trying to get access to his personal and professional papers. His widow left them to his Alma Mater Marquette University and they've been saying forever because that's what the family's been saying that nobody could see them and. Not because I'm charming but because I was lucky or pan in the neck and they wanted to get rid of me I got to see those papers and one of the things in those papers was he is hen ridden wartime diaries and Joe, McCarthy. When he first ran for higher office, he ran calling himself tailgunner Joe saying that I was a war hero and I'm coming back now and I'm going to do for the country what I did for my country in the South Pacific and Over the years journalists doubted that that was true and they said the metals he got were for political reasons and the television networks actually did an entire hour-long documentary called tailgunner Joe Making Fun of him. That became a caricature. What we see shockingly in those wartime diaries was that he documented every time he went up and flew as a tailgunner. His official assignment was as a land-based intelligence officer but he raised his hand and he said I'll go and he volunteered for missions could've gotten him killed. He volunteered for missions where he actually was tailgunner and his squad. Mates in later years wrote letters saying he did what he said he did now that raises two questions. One is if you tell enough lies nobody's GonNa believe you when you tell the truth but in a way, the more interesting psychological question to me is if he had these letters and if he had the diaries that showed that he was telling the truth, why didn't he whole them up and say here is what I'm saying they're making fun of me but I can prove that it was true and I think wanting to give him the benefit of the. Doubt that he actually decided that much as he was about a shameless a character as there was that he decided some things were beyond the Pale and he took seriously enough what he had done in the marines that if it required him to stoop to the level of having to show his handwritten diaries or point to his buddies saying he wasn't a liar that would have been almost as embarrassing as being called a liar and he wasn't GonNa do that and he's not here to me to ask and he never said in his personal papers here's why I'm. Not pointing out that some of these actually show that I was telling the truth, but we go back after the fact and try to figure out what he was thinking and I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and I think that partly in writing a biography, anybody tries to take a historic and caricatured character and make them a little more true to life and flesh and blood, and as we see that there are many things McCarthy's record that make him even more despicable than we thought we to acknowledge the things that make him more human and. Absolutely he comes back actually even before he comes back really starts campaigning for his his next seat, which actually is not allowed at the time you're you're not permitted I mean. That's a breaking of the rules right at the time you weren't supposed to if you were in the military, do any political campaigning but as the rules didn't mean much earlier they didn't mean much later either and he embarked on that and in nineteen forty six, he defeated Howard McMurry in the general election in the as Democrat and basically joined the Senate. At that point, he beat one of the iconic characters in Wisconsin political history. So what the Kennedys are to my native Massachusetts and what the half were in Ohio a family called Follett in Wisconsin were as much of political titans and there was the senior La- Follett. Fighting Bob La Jolla and his son Young Bob. A three term US senator. LEFEBVRE was toppled by. Joe. McCarthy Lefebvre was toppled by McCarthy because again McCarthy did what he always did which was. Embellished with that was important. He also understood instinctively McCarthy. If you had something in your political resume that made you vulnerable John McCarthy was as Astute as anybody in American political history at going to that weakness and playing on it and La. La was a little bit out of touchy spent time three terms in Washington and McCarthy. made him seem like he was this tired old man which is in fact what he was he was very, very distinguished senator, but he was also. Old and he was also tired and he was also on the came home to campaign after it was too late and McCarthy this young upstart realized that if he could grab the right wing of the Republican Party in they call them in Wisconsin stalwart republicans he could get them behind him. The stalwarts hated, La-, fall it and McCarthy put himself into exactly the position to win. He exploited vulnerability of his opponent. He wins the nomination then he has an easier race to win. against. The Democrat and he goes to Washington. and. I hate to keep over using this as again. One of the least prepared people to be US senator has showed up in the Senate and over his first couple of years, he showed that lack of preparation. This concludes. One of my two part series on Joe. McCarthy thank you and I hope you'll take a listen to the second half of McCarthy's life and rise in political power. Thanks to my guest Larry Tie and if you'd like to learn more about Joe McCarthy, check out his book demagogue the life and long shadow of Senator Joe McCarthy you could comment were asked me questions on twitter at Dr Gail Saltz or a personality. MD.. Personality is a production of iheartradio. The executive producers are Dr Gail Saltz and Tyler Clang. The supervising producer is Dylan Fagin. The associate producer is Lowell Berlanti editing music and mixing by Berlanti for more podcasts from iheartradio visit, the iheartradio APP apple podcasts, or every get your podcasts. Is Bobby Bone. 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Tuesday 11/19/19 - The Rise Of Jimmy Hoffa
"All Right Bang Bang today. Is Tuesday November. Nineteenth Chicago dog walk. Obviously we are back for some tinfoil. Chief how're you doing. Great Ed happy Tuesday. Yeah happy Tuesday Newsday before we get into our topic today. Let's talk about the topic a little bit first before we get into our ad read. We're talking about Jimmy Hoffa. It's a big topic huge top. You love this topic. This is a great topic yet. I mean how could I not love it. I mean you saw the Irishman yes. I saw the Irishman. So I'll get into a little bit of a tease there but like I said let's talk about Yamaha offers second here so so we're always in this situation where we have conference calls here at Barcelos Chicago and that's the goal. WHO's fallen? Are we going to use you know. 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I just thought he was like a Mafia boss. Yeah that's always what I thought. I thought he was just like another. You know. Pick a name trashcan day like one of these guys who is just a Mafia. Hey boss nothing else. But that's very very wrong. Yeah and I just know him as kind of the Union guy. That's the guy who was big in the unions he it's a mafia ties Whatever you know have? It didn't never really thought too much into it. He wasn't like a AL capone. It wasn't like another. You know mythical mob character that you really dug deep on right turns out you should because this guy was a fucking real like he was a big deal back in these days so big that the president of the United States on multiple locations were speaking his name to a national TV audience. Insane it's insane and saints alleges kind of start from the beginning star with their upbringing. What we say we're going to do now? We'll see how the show Kinda plays out here but we think today we're going to get into a little bit of his upbringing and how you know the teamsters Kinda came to be and then tomorrow we're going to get into like the whole disappearance in everything like that. I think that sounds like a great plan. Yeah so you get everybody prepped for the Irish which comes out the day before Thanksgiving Christmas comes out the day before Thanksgiving I met flex. Yeah I saw it in theaters. It's only a two theaters in Chicago. Awesome movie if you love those Goodfellas and those casinos. It's right up there with those. It was awesome to see the guys back for one more round. I guess you gave it nine point. Two plus and how many gold stars a lot a lot of gold stars as many as I can give it really is a great movie so yeah. So let's just get into Jimmy Hoffa's upbringing and we're we're we're GONNA try. It's kind of weird too because we're going to try to avoid spoiler here. Yeah we're we're not gonNA there's really high like you said earlier. How can you spoil history right? Yeah and there's an really this one will be kinda spoiler free because the disappearances wire there's your Saturday so this is really just back role. It's like you know if you saw Lincoln you know he gets shot neha spoil that same same situation here kind of so. I mean whoa might as well started very beginnings from a place called India. Brazil Indiana is born to like you know immigrant Immigrant parents from like their German. Two German women in Irish and his father was a coal miner K.. So think back then this is like early. Nineteen hundreds. You're in the coal. You're going down in the minds. You're breathing that black dust and it's it's miserable working conditions over from an early age Jimmy Hoffa was like conditioned to seeing like the plight of the the working man and his father actually died from Like black lung like he got lung disease from working in a coal. Miner died when Jimmy Hoffa was only seven years old and he was like here that job but he did grow up kind of poor. Is that right. Yeah you're right. So his family then relocated his wife or his wife is his mother and his siblings moved to Detroit because Detroit starting boom with the auto industry. They're just looking for any opportunity. Okay they had some family there and very poor family growing up in Detroit to the point that he dropped out of school at age. Fifteen to to work On on the docks like to just to work in a warehouse of food company called Kroger Foods and oddly enough they moved to Detroit to start a better life and then in the thirty something happened and Great Depression hits so as you can imagine i. It's tough tough working conditions for anybody employment situations tough. Jimmy Hoffa has a job Bob. But it's not a good job okay. So you're you've seen the movie Cinderella Man. Yes awesome movie that scene where one of my favorites me too actually. Yeah so we're he is. They just is the mass of people show up at the docks every day just looking for any type of work To unload trucks or boats or whatever and they just can't pick kick people out of the crowd and like you guys get to work today. The rest of you guys are going hungry so that was like the situation. Where anytime there's a job posting Or a chance for employment by this kroger foods where Jimmy Hoffa work. Hundreds of people would show up for one job so they had No real strength to complain or anything like that. But as time went on Jimmy Hoffa just kinda got fed up so they would show up for work and they be there all day but they would only only get paid for the amount of time it actually took them to unload the trucks. So it's like you're there for nine ten hours waiting for trucks to come through and maybe you only do two hours of work but your day is spent and you're not making that much money so that along with like horrible working conditions by when he's nineteen. He organizes a wo- A walkout. The factory did he was he full-time Accra. Though he was full time he was one of the lucky ones. It actually had a job. He wasn't one of the hundred China bars to the door for one spot right anyways. He wasn't fulltime our so. He's there fulltime but he's not like he's not paid like a fulltime employees so crazy how that works out because that would never fly. Today's Day right. Exactly you're paid for your time. Yeah so he now so he's organizing this this walkout with the rest of the people. Oh who are quote unquote full-time and because there's all these people looking for work. They kind of have to go a step further and they barricade the warehouse so they can't no one gets in everybody like he forms like an impromptu union almost because they didn't have in union at that time. So there's no like the com- scabs no scabs getting in there. And he block block it out and the food starts to rot on the trucks. And you know Kroger's lose money coming and going because no one was able to buy they also have to pay for what was shipped so they actually win so and Negotiates a one year deal with Kroger and and people are generally happy and that was like his first big Union the in organizing victory. Yeah and it just kind of stacked from there how he became this monster person who just kind of made the teamsters union just wasn't all around around union guy like the Union founder. Almost exactly so like he. He a couple years later they they. They didn't have a chance to kroger. Wouldn't renegotiate so then and after that year was up so he's like while we're fucked now. So what do I do. He went in partnered with The teamsters so that's really how we got into the teamsters he he had his own you union of dockworkers and he's like we need more influence. So I'm going to partner with these guys who are truck drivers. There are much bigger union and then that allowed them to kind of get back in and renegotiate. Okay so the truck drivers and the dockworkers partnered together to to get better collective bargaining and that work to until Jimmy Hoffa again got fed up and he like dumped a bucket of juice and pulp over foreman and got fired and then from that point on he was just like you said lay a labor union organizer. So the how did he become. Should we jump in how to become the the president of the teamsters or do we kind of go into how he kinda got involved in shady people to make all this happen. Well I mean and we can kind of start in the thirties. His rise is kind of wild where now it's like he's in the teamsters union he's an organizer and at this point ain't they only have one hundred thousand members. Okay Jimmy Hoffa starts being like a a bad mammoth Jama so he would go to all these different car hauling Dan trucking companies and being like you guys better like enroll your employees and if you even if you are an employee you don't want to be in play fuck you urine and you're in the union okay. Okay so he. He was like strong arm people and they would show up with chains and baseball bats and like basically being a you better join the Union and pubic. Okay yes sir Mr Hoffa or they would say like fuck you and then what do you know. Their trucks will get bombed okay so like those. That was like his style like he was like a real strong arm. Guy Guy take no prisoners but the flip side of it is as like whether the people were coerced into joining this union. Or not the I.. Bt once they got in there like Oh my God this is actually pretty great. So so Jimmy. HOFFA would get them like more money like better benefits like do all the things things so like he might have had to like blow a few things up to get people to join but once they're in they're like. Hey Hey I kind of like this guy. Unbelievable car bombings having these people people with Pi. Imagine that like the EU like they're standing out there with their lines and all these teachers are just fighting people over the head. I started car bombs frigging Lori lightfoot. You know your wife like all know like it'd be crazy it would raise. It seems. Yeah so and he just like and so he became like notorious because all like yeah Jimmy Hoffa. Everybody in Detroit knew his name because he's like. Oh that's the guy who will blow up your truck so so if you don't join the Union but he took the membership from under one hundred thousand. When he started to by the end of the thirties it was over? Five hundred thousand so he was like. What do you know the best recruiter blowing up cars blown up trucks very very good recruiting? Method have got the backing to strong arm. People Out Right right so then in the forties now the worst World War Two starting and the Union is so massive that they're able to get all these government contracts contracts because the military shit all over the country to different ports and putting you know they're making jeeps or putting them on boats those have to be transported that call the it now the I.. B. T. is rolling so that's the International Brotherhood of teamsters. I don't know if we said that that that's what I bt stands where. That's who Jimmy Hoffa was organizing four and working with saw. So they're like I. It became like one of the most powerful unions in the whole country really from his leadership. So that a little kind of a stroke of I don't WanNa when I say good luck because it was because of a war when you go out and get network at least great timing to be Jimmy Hoffa. Things need to be transported for the war. I mean he took advantage of an opportunity and did a great job. So where does the mob come into play. Because they kind of need it. He needed them at one point to kind of start strong and more people right right so that was in in like the fifties. Okay so now he he's become like again like almost like a Robin Hood figure so he's like criminal people know he's a criminal Okay like like the government knows he's a criminal everybody knows he's a criminal but He's a criminal WHO's working for the people for the people for his people so people so his people love love him. Love Him. Okay but now he's risen to be in the national vice president of the I. B. T. so now they have over a million members nationwide and like I said their influence is growing. But it's such a big network that he needed the mafia to kind of be his. You know he would outsource the muscle so he used. I used to be their club and people and setting car bombs and things like that now. He kind of outsource that role to the Mafia. So an exchange he would appoint point Mafia members into these Leadership roles at local chapters of the and even more so which is the most fascinating fascinating part about this is and you know stopping if you want to get to some of the before this but the pension fund of the teamsters funding the casinos in Las Vegas. All the mobsters stirs had had great gain out of Jimmy Hoffa's well they had okay. They did have great gain right so it was. It was the Vegas Casinos Country Clubs and Florida and Louisiana. Hotels tells even hospitals and restaurants. So again if you like go back and watch the godfather you always see like Michael Corleone saying like we're going to be completely legitimate Unlike ten years like that's our goal we want to take the family legitimate. We have all these businesses. Well if you want to invest in a casino or a hospital or something something you know to to kind of wash your money and be legitimate. You're not going down to fucking chase okay. Like you don't have access to the to the cash needed for the major huge construction project like that and to buy licenses and all that so if you can't go down to the bank to get like a normal business loan he over to see Jimmy Hoffa and he'll give you the money from the The IBP pension fund but same thing so booming success for the IB pension engine fund because the Mafia did pay those loans back with interest. So they're making more money off of the their dealings with the Mafia through that pension fund than they ever would have just putting it into like a mutual fund. Or some you know a roth. IRA or whatever else. They could invest in their making the IBP pension fund was booming. So nobody cared. Nobody cared that he was dealing with the mafia because Jimmy Jimmy Hoffa was making Making things work well for his union members and this wasn't like a vast l. kept secret right like people kinda new this new. Yeah everybody knew that he so he had ties with the mafia going back a long way and it really ramped up in the fifties and then a very very powerful family takes Yes it takes action against US right right. So now we're into the fifties and and not only offer like like like his mafia ties are known. It's also like highly suspected that he's getting kickbacks which he was off of these loans like you would give loans to the mafia then they would invest some of it and then some of the money they would just go right directly back into his pocket so he was like doing shady things but the the the. It was always coming out ahead. Ed So everybody kind of looked the other way. Yeah makes sense. I mean the the guy who kind of orchestrates at all like if you're happy you're going to let them be a little more happier. Yeah exactly ackley. So now it's like the Kennedys and this is in the fifty still so you had. JFK was a sitting. Senator from Massachusetts. And Bobby Kennedy was is In the he was like a lawyer a prosecutor for the government as well so they start to bring nineteen fifty seven. They bring all these charges against and the president of the it which has guy last name back and end Jimmy Hoffa. So they're they're both. They're both being questioned. Back used the Fifth Amendment like sixty five times an hour during question it was on live. TV They had the whole hearing on live TV and he used a fifth man. You know which I think everyone knows what that is. You don't have to incriminate yourself but it's like yeah I'm guilty but I just won't say it as generally house. Viewed and Hoffa was a little bit more forthcoming than that. But he knew that like they couldn't pin anything on them so eventually they try to like basically set up a sting to get Hoffa and they have like some other like Kinda rat guy acting acting like he was a mole for like in the Kennedy Camp and they like set up cameras to record Hoffa like giving this guy money. 'cause in Hoffa was leaking taking them information about back so he could rise to be the president of the IT and so they caught him on that they put him on trial. They just. They're about convict them okay. They had them every. which way the Kennedys that like in their crosshairs and he they his lawyer brings in Joe Louis? Who was the heavyweight heavyweight champion man? What Detroit Guy Very prominent African American in culture at that time like thank. You Know Lebron James You know Michael Jordan like Hamad Ali and he was at that level of fame and influence so he came to the courthouse thousand shook hands with Jimmy Hoffa unlike wish him as a stage thing like Joe Louis barely knew who he was but that sway the jury because it was like Oh like Joe Louis. This is a working man. This is about workers rights civil rights. They kind of like conflated the issues a champ the champ and it got him off so he knew he wasn't convicted and poof. He's the president of the unbelievable unbelievable so but his troubles with the Kennedys. Don't stop there though because it kind of became like all out war between in a blood feud the fucking hated. HOFFA HOFFA hated them. It was like a whole thing and it was made even worse when Kennedy gets elected in one. One thousand nine hundred sixty and points bobby. As Attorney General. So now bobby who's going Afrin before has all the resources of the federal government and he's got a green light from. I'm his brother to just go after. Not only after the mafia but also after Jimmy Hoffa who they see as one and the same and that's kind of where it where it breaks down is that Jimmy Hoffa's a Robin Hood type figure and RFK things he thinks of himself like this bleeding heart liberal liberal who's out for the working man and Jimmy Hoffa's taking advantage of the working man so it's like no. I'm for the work you know he's like no I'm actually for the working man and they like Kinda actually hate each other but it was all like the Kenny's we're trying to like solidify their base and like put him in a corner he he's not really for you. Were for you. Yeah and it was what also it was white collar blue collar that too. Yeah yeah so it was like the Kennedys went to prep school. They went to Harvard. Like they're you know from Joe Kennedy's from a ton of money. But they had some similar friends meaning the mafia so like Kennedy was at one. Bobby Kennedy was going after the Mafia on one hand. JFK's using them to help him get elected you know steeler always like the famous Chicago stories stories where they had every corpse voting for Kennedy. They're strong army people into like closing polls early and things like that was all mafia stuff so because of that. The mafia hated the candidates because they thought they were going to have like a runway after they helped him get elected and Hoffa hated the candidates as they would not not stop going after him. So now it's like what do we do about this fucking guy. I'm thinking of that. Mean right now where it's like the two people shaking hands and then in the middle of the Mafia and like the extraordinary strong. Yeah that's exactly what it was. They had mutual interests. So I think last week we talked about the CIA possibly being involved in the Kennedy assassination. There's a lot of fingers get pointed to the Mafia for for organizing edging a hit on Jeff because at one point they figured that if they killed Bobby Kennedy it would be easily linked to them exact so they were like. Hey if we take out the top hop guy. We'll take out John. He's the fucking president rate and bobby loses kind of everything and then we take care of a problem as almost a domino effect right right because the exactly you said it perfectly they they would know it'd be like how who would kill Bobby Kennedy The people that have vested interest in getting rid of this fucking guy and they would they would they be scooped up on that almost almost instantly. You Kill the president and it's like the do it to the Russians do it to the CIA. It's like all the things we talk about all the time of kill. Kennedy's nobody really knows. But it was like a mutual interest between Hoffa and two particular Mob Bosses so it was Santo Traffic. Kante who he's like the head of the Mafia in Florida and then Carlos Marcello Marcello rather who was the head of the Mafia New Orleans like those were and if you remember. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie. JFK or or followed this all of those operations for like Operation Mongoose. And all the things we talked about with the CIA and the Mafia or basically out of those who places. So you had the Cuban exiles in Miami and then you had Lee Harvey Oswald and head of the naval intelligence agents and all those people were stationed in warlords. So there's a lot of LIKE DOTS being connected Marcello. Also he had a relationship with Leow ers ours will he also had a relationship with Jack. Ruby who had all kinds of mob ties who killed Oswald to like keep Oswald from running his mouth. I mean it's unbelievable. Like like who. The fuck knows what happened. But the fact that the Mafia in the fucking teamster union president and Fidel Castro and the Kennedys run so closer together. It's just honestly sleep. Like America was a movie in those days. It was unbelievable. And it's like now like they all all these key actors and this thing are now dead but there's reports reports that you know different mobsters would be like. Oh Yeah Carlos fucked up like you said it in a book. Carlos fucked up we. We really should've just killed. He said we we shouldn't have killed Giovanni ain't meaning John. We should've killed bobby like that. You know that we fucked up on that. Because John Lake he was he was known for like dealing with their prostitutes like they had him. Every which way way. And that was another thing. Those those mob bosses had a lot of dirt on J. Edgar Hoover so now this is back in the nineteen sixties Jaeger. Hoover was the head of the FBI. Big Time big time Use a homosexual and like into homosexual prostitution and the mafia knew that they had pictures they head recordings they had so they you know and this is like that your whole career is over back then. Yeah so I mean. Obviously it wasn't as widely accepted exactly right so if you find out that this guy is you know He's gay in one thousand nine hundred sixty three s a lot right. So it's like hey like maybe I won't go after these people so hard. Because then my life you know they they can extort him and just hold this over his information that they have about Morris had forever so the FBI never really investigated The Mafia on any level Kennedy or some of their other dealings. It's crazy so shall we get out anything else before we wrap up this part one and obviously we're getting tomorrow is when he kind of flew too close to the sun on right and but I don't know if there's anything that Kinda put a ribbon on this football on this well I would say that you know. Hoffa was eventually arrested so so he was arrested for jury. Tampering I think and convicted in nineteen sixty four so all the other things you know. He's been tied the murders and racketeering and corruption and all these things the only thing they ever got him on jury tampering and they sent him to jail a thirteen year sentence so a year after caddy was assassinated. ofo ofo in the next within the next calendar year was convicted. So I didn't even help them out like he thought he would like there. Were still people after him after he killed that put ahead. Alfred Kennedy. Yeah so I mean. He didn't do the hard hard time but yeah people he still ended up going to jail. Okay so he goes to jail and then that's where kind of the the next the next. Yeah we'll pick it up from there tomorrow with a then. The gear switched the second part of the story where he seemingly disappears out of nowhere vanishes vanishes and get out of jail. We'll talk we'll talk about pretty much. Nobody knows what happened. So yeah. That's par one talking. Jimmy Hoffa fought lot of this is in the movie so nice where this isn't my head for the movie but yeah I can't wait off three and a half hours. Well worth your time during hours. Yes okay well worth it okay. I'll watch those guys for eight hours. Okay so yeah. So that's it for today everybody We'll be back tomorrow. Hopefully maybe we're trying to reach out to like an expert on this topic to Ryan. He had to join us. But if not AWW chief and US WE'RE GONNA research must be can and yeah that's part one hair talking about the background of Jimmy Hoffa.
JFK JR.: THE KENNEDY CURSE - EP2
"Of the many images from the Kennedy assassination. Perhaps none touched the hearts of a grieving nation. More than that photograph autograph. You know the one. I'm referring to the little boy saluting. The flag draped coffin of his dad. Dan Farrell the man who took that iconic connick photograph says it was quote the saddest thing I've ever seen in my whole life. Welcome to episode two of fatal Voyage John F. Kennedy Junior case solved. I'm your host Thomas Detective Column McLaren. Last time we heard L. J. F. K.. Junior had been born into a dynasty. That would become known as camelot in this episode. We're going to examine the dockside of that legacy you see. And what has become known as the Kennedy coups so I was having interested in Kennedy family and the tragedies that have been it seems like one thing I gotta get infected with generation after generation. So you could call it Kennedy curse if also call it the curse of power that got sometimes people who power these sort of things happen. I think there's something psychological about it. It's almost like scales scales have to be balanced life as you to less if a too much now we're going to take some away from you and had a curse once it's again exact. A terrible tall on the man who as a little blonde haired boy was required to salute the passing coffin of his dead father. As the entire hi world which Don I think there's a parallel or a similarity between the death of the father and the death of the son in that in both cases since there was great unfulfilled potential. We have no idea of what could have happened so his his presidency had great potential in fact the potential is so great that most academics rank him as a great president even without having accomplish these things and the same kind of hovers over the life of John F. Kennedy junior the fact that he it could have done great things could have been a president could have been a governor. Senator could have been a great public figure the rest of his life and impacted the world for good so in both cases there cut down in cut short of what most people believe believe would be a great life and a great contribution to humanity following the assassination of President Kennedy the conspiracy ever see theories began almost immediately. Did Lee Harvey Oswald Line. was there a second shooter at the scene who was pulling the moving strings behind the scenes and how deep derived hall go his JFK historian. John Hanky there are Tan. Dan Affidavits in the Warren Commission documents from witnesses in Dealey Plaza. Who All said that? The limousine stopped in front of the Grassy Knoll. They don't say waiting for the kill shot. But you can put those elements together to see that. The Secret Service stopped the limousine in front of the Grassy knoll waiting for the kill shot in nineteen sixty four. The Warren Commission set up by President Lyndon Johnson to who investigate the killing concluded that Oswald was the lone assessing. It was to be another eleven years before another committee ruled at the Warren Commission was fundamentally the Middle East flawed and not until nineteen seventy nine before the house. Select Committee concluded that the murder was most likely. The result of a bigger far-reaching conspiracy. I see however that did not say who was behind that conspiracy like me. Jive Cagey suspected a cover up author. Doug Wade has written over thirty books and interviewed no fewer than six presidents and has unrivalled insight into the nations of the White House. I received a call from a lady whose father had worked for Frank. Church had been his closest aide and she told me neither story is that when it was all over her father had good worked. So hard for the senator in these hearings had said why is senator. Didn't as you go ahead and publish your findings. Why did you back down after all that you've gone through? And she said that Senator Church said I said to her father. The country could not have survived if they had known the truth of our investigation into the CIA see I it was a lengthy investigation. They interrogated many CIA agents and at the conclusion of it. It was like He pulled oldest punches. It was a whimper John. Junior was to lie to begin his own investigation. Father's death felt that it it was just something he had to live with that he was John Kennedy but he was very proud of it in the sense that he named his put the number of the PT One nine nine there was his father's World War Two pt boat. He put that on an playing he thought about his father constantly but tragically the assassination of JFK. Senior was only the beginning shortly after midnight. On June the fifth nineteen sixty excite. Kennedy's beloved uncle. Bobby Kennedy was also executed. He was killed at the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles just hours after winning the California presidential. It's an inch primary his report Leon Wagner who was being close to the Kennedys since the nineteen seventy s after JFK was assassinated this native. Jackie really leaned heavily on bobby and he spent a tremendous amount of time with her. They spent so much time together and that there were rumors that they were having an affair which I don't know if it's possible they certainly were tight right but I think more than anything. He was something to lean on and because he was her brother in law and she trusted him implicitly. Candor stood her pain which nobody else really could understand the way he could and then suddenly he was slain and that was away final. Blow one of the consultants. At Bobby's autopsy was forensic tallest. Cyril Wecht. I was an official consultant to Dr Thomas. NEGOTI cheeks product examiner corner of Los Angeles. County is see my English. Did you look at the autopsy report in fact. Tom called me about three or four o'clock in the morning. My time was three hours earlier there from Los Angeles. He didn't need any advice on how to do an autopsy but he was concerned that they would try to take Bobby Kennedy's body away like they had done with. JFK and dollars. and Tom and I hit become good friends at the American Academy Physics Scientists and he knew of my outspoken spoken communist regarding what they had done and I advise him in fact among things which he did was to invite the academic proactive fashion and invite the government to send in their forensic pathologists to be observers at your autopsy and he did that. And three of those military Sherry from super apologised whom we knew they were colleagues they attended despite the attempt to transparency. It seemed that once again the Kennedy assassination was followed by another shady. Cover up by the way then the cover-up remember the scenario in which Bobby Kennedy Kennedy was assassinated. Look it up. The distance from which to fatal shot was fired striking him. Just above and slightly behind the radiator was one to to one and a half inches one to one and a half inches and pull it also had a slightly forward trajectory. Sorry hand in front of him and you gotta Ask Yourself. How is this possible? I'll tell you how it's possible. Because they defense attorney who by the way not some snot nosed kid out of law school or in a talkative offenders office. He was inexperienced defense attorney. Name Grant Cooper Never Never consulted they fronts pathologist or a ballistics expert never had anybody testify at the trial and in the cross examination of Dr Gucci. Never asked him the question. I asked you two minutes ago about the distance from which the shot I fired or a subject to rick. 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Get ten percent of this this month at bit held dot com slash giant kind John. It's been a help. LP DOT com slash. Dave Joya Ah With John Bubby killed third. Rather Ted Ted Kennedy was the last of all Joe son's still standing I respect senator himself. He had his arm brush with death on a sixty four when the plane in which he was travelling crashed in bad weather near Southampton Massachusetts. The pilot another passenger were killed and Ted spent five months in hospital recovering from a broken back. Punctured lung and broken ribs. Worse was to follow as reporter. Andy Tila Explains Nineteen. sixty-nine Ted Kennedy that he was involved in what's now known as the Chappaquiddick incident. He had been at a party in. Martha's Vineyard for a group of young women who had worked on Bobby's presidential campaign the a year before he leaves the Party with one of the women. A twenty eight year old called. Mary Jo Kopechne me. I'm while driving across the bridge back from Chappaquiddick. Island loses control all crashes into the water. Ted Kennedy manage to escape from the car but Mary Jo did not Neri Jo Kopechne. He died in what seems to be in a tragic accident. Several things didn't add up. Senator Kennedy says he dived below the surface seven or eight times to try to rescue Before swimming to the shore and leaving drowned still trapped in the car that may be true but he then didn't report accident until the next morning after her body had already been found and why would he not report it did he just go home. Go to bed like nothing had happened. He also denied driving under the influence of alcohol and said that they had been nothing improper about his his relationship with Mary. Jo both statements have been called into question many times in the intervening years awake after the crash. Ted Ed Kennedy pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident and was given a two-month suspended sentence avoiding imprisonment. Oddly no autopsy was ever the performed on the body of Mary. Jo nonense seventy an inquest to Mary. Jo's death concluded that several aspects of Ted Kennedy Story of that night when not true get another cover up which is now becoming the modus operandi of the Kennedys. Hiding the facts. Mary Jo Kopechne. He was a cover up combination combination. I think just some pressures behind the scenes having nothing to do with politics look counties and disgraced. The Kennedy Curse was not limited to the sums of Joe Senior however over the coming decades there with the incidents and deaths all involving John Genius seniors cousins four of them. The sums of Bobby Kennedy that did seem to be this extraordinary run of accidents. Reckless behavior bad. Look call all it what you will with. Bobby's kids I'll just run through a few of them in August. Nineteen seventy three when he was twenty. Bobby's eldest son. Joseph crushed his jeep and none took it badly injuring his brother. David Back and permanently paralysing. David's girlfriend Kelly. As a result of that David became addicted to painkillers which then escalated collided into heroin. He was later found dead in a hotel room in Palm Beach in Nineteen eighty-four from an overdose of a cocktail of drugs including cocaine and Emerald. Then you've got another brother Bobby junior also using heroin. He was arrested in one thousand nine hundred three firearm possession falling near overdose himself then. Finally finally this Michael who died in nineteen ninety-one in Aspen Colorado. He had been playing football on skis without any kind of helmet other safety equipment when he hits a tree just this is a kind of postscript the same year that Michael died another cousin. William Kennedy Smith who was a son of John. Juniors on gene was arrested and charged with the rape of a young woman he had met while drinking at the bar in Palm Beach with his uncle. Ted Kennedy she alleged after they had returned to the nearby Kennedy state hits sexually assaulted her a trial. Oh however he was acquitted of all charges so it seems as just as kind of litany of recklessness bad behavior criminality and bad look running through all these kits according to Leon Wagner at least he was never tempted by drugs. John didn't didn't use drugs he deliberately didn't because he had a fear of them because mostly because his cousins David Michael Bobby Junior all use tear on and had some terrible experiences with David and Michael Bus died Michael accident but he was inebriated at the time. And Bobby Junior was arrested in South Dakota and for possession of heroin and then he just didn't like to be around drug use at all. John Junior may have stayed away from drugs but like so many his family he had inherited the Kennedy wild streak in the sixty years almost since John Kennedy was assassinated. There have been a death in the Kennedy entity family and accidental death Kennedy family every two years nearly exactly every two years which is pretty extraordinary. I think for any family even a large family. Like there's at sort of sounds like a curse to me but like I say it's a curse that they to some degree brought upon themselves EXPI- risky behavior John F. Kennedy Junior was fearless and some say. He was very reckless if he took extraordinary chances as a skier as a kayaker on the water just any occasions. People said. You'RE GONNA kill yourself. What are you doing? As a reporter assigned to Cava the Kennedys for most of his career. Leon Wagner Watch John Junior grow from a stoic boy into a headstrong strong young men were wild kids. They're fun to be around and you never knew quite what to expect from them. I I have to say that. They had a tremendous exhibition EST streak and and enjoyed showing off particularly given the fact that they're comb their their compound of of of homes was a huge trust attraction and there was a constant stream of traffic driving having five miles an hour past the compound hoping for a look inside some of the Kennedy cousins of John. Juniors seniors had a habit of coming out front and posing and then yanking their blouses up and flashing the tourists and as one one of them told me that will give them something to talk about when I get home. When he was in Hyannis port he would do things like he would take his cousins and this is part of his exhibition EST thing to he would organize a party at the Hyannis Port Yacht Club which is just across the street from compound on the Ocean and day Chris Private club and it's locked up at night but of course they had the Kennedys had keys to it so they could get in anytime they wanted and they would go take six packs of beer and drink and they would take off their clothes and skinny dip in the the ocean off the dock midnight? Two o'clock in the morning they kind of did whatever they wanted. They ran the place and the cops more or less that surrounded the compound that temporary cops They were just hired for the summer. And we're really hired for the purpose of guarding the Kennedy Compound town and I may translate with with a couple of them and they told me some stories that make your hair stand on end about Some of their antics like like for example. One of the Kennedy Women. Jean Kennedy would tie ropes onto the back of her car and drive around with the kids on their bikes hanging onto the back of it and shouldn't go. Slow should go fifteen twenty forty miles an hour. I mean fatality if something God forbid happen as much as I love true crime solving mysteries sometimes even I need a break from time to time but but in order to do my best work as a detective on to stay shop and keep my Brian Active. That's why I love solving puzzles. Playing games to keep myself shop like best scenes jeans. Best fans is a mobile puzzle game. That's totally free to download you. Match three of a kind to clear the bowed but unlike some other matching games supplied this one lets you collect characters along the way that help you in the game. It can be a challenge but it's a fun little game that really anyone comply with my work. I tend to travel a lot so I like to apply it when I'm waiting for my flight or when I'm on the plane since you need to be connected to the incident apply. Engage your brain with fun. Puzzles and click tons of characters to trust me with over one hundred million downloads. This five star rated my ball puzzle. Okay is a must play database. Feigns free on the Apple APP store. Woah Google play. That's friends without the I pissed fiends Liam believes that the so-called Kennedy Casse has its its roots in this seemingly ingrained taste danger rather than extraordinary bad luck. Kurt me with that kind of behavior. Savior and that kind of behavior being encouraged by the grownups actor a grown up. Most of the time that the Kennedy curse was a curse I was brought on by their behavior. It was to some degree that they just couldn't contain themselves. They took risks and Dan did things that ordinary people wouldn't do and as a result along the line although they got away with quite a bit of it got gotTa wait a tremendous amount of it that when you consider the outcome. It's not surprising. I mean if you do that kind of thing all the time and then as they got older. They skied and played football at the same time in Aspen. which is what killed? Michael Kennedy John's cousins and they flew airplanes. And did all the riskiest sports you could possibly do. They dismissed I really challenged the harsh reality of life to take them. There is another trite unique to the Kennedys. These that is the family's mafia like a murder the code of silence about anything that might possibly disparage one of their own writer in presidential expert but Doug Wade explained one. Tactic used by the family. To perpetuate the Kennedy Myth. The Kennedys tried to pull it have and for many years when a book would come out that would tell the full story. Candidates would have another book ready. It would have someone always writing a book a friend and then when controversial bill would come they quickly rushed Trent their new book so that someone going into a bookstore would be confused though. which was the book had heard about? They wanted to buy also. Sometimes their official books backfire. They were forced by law to release some of the presidential papers. You can only kick them under wraps for so long and then by law they have to be public so when we expiration date chain they charities released east tens of thousands and thousands of pages of documents and they did that to dilute the release so the journalists would be able to find the more damaging information that was being made public. They went to Robert Gallic right presidential historian and gave him a look at the head. Start to write a book about John. F Kennedy Chesapeake which he did but now all this information about how ill Kennedy was and it had thing was like his. I Q you can go online and you'll see all kinds of stories about I choose the America. WHO's the smartest president to show pictures of John Kennedy with an eye? You two hundred sixty three and it's all false. IQ was one hundred nineteen. He took a written test as a young I candidate and those numbers have to be released. He was very poor and math and very court science extremely poor. It was very high English and literature so he sounded very well educated very oppressive and a one nineteen eighteen is above average. IQ That's a B. Student in college so but it's not one sixty. That's not accurate. Nevertheless the Kennedy's at least as a family will promote that the effect as Cyril Wecht explains is to suppress the truth. Lit affects and feed the conspiracies. I don't understand what the problem is. Why the Kennedy's as they say unknowingly unwittingly in their uptight feelings? Play into the hands of anybody who was involved in these deaths like the assassination summations of John and Robert and in the accident of Mary. Jo Kopechne me. With Ted Kennedy. Why the counties do this I I don't no I? I can't answer that in that regard somewhat related. I remember last year when Miss Capelli the mother of Mary Jo Kopechne he was interviewed food. And I remember that brought tears to my eyes. She said the worst mistake she had ever made in her. Life was vehemently arguing against reached the exclamation of her daughter and the performance of topsy. That is what she said last year as the sun. JFK John Junior effectively found himself at the head of the next generation of this complicated and cursed Kennedy Dynasty. Occasionally the pressure would tell on the a young patriarch in peculiar ways. Leon Wagner remembers witnessing one such incident himself he was A. Oh boy that I have to say you know manic energy to it and it was impossible for him to sit still for much of the the time and I went to his grandfather. Hugh Auchincloss is his step grandfather. Actually his funeral in Newport Rhode Island and John was a I want to say about nine approximately ten. Maybe we were in a very small airport in Newport dead. No secret service or any protection and John was bored having to wait for their private plane to arrive. And all of a sudden he just spontaneously sprung out of the seat and started dancing. And I mean dancing manically like he couldn't control what he was doing almost and Jackie interestingly just ignored him and leading get it out of the system. I guess but there's always with a photographer and of course snapping pictures. Jackie walked up to me and said please tell him to stop doing that. Higgins pictures and so I said sure so you know I I did did and We let him be but then he danced like that for say ten fifteen minutes and quite a display and I you have to think that part of it was his manic energy. Part of it was the fact that eight been through a lot and Dan the idea of attending yet another funeral and his life was just filled with death at that young age. I have to think that that's that's sort of set him off and Jackie understood that and that's why she. He made an attempt really to to stop him or to say anything to him. She's let him get it out of the system and he clearly he calmed down. I me I never saw him doing anything like that. You know when you got a little older as John. Junior grew from child to man the pressure of living up to the Kennedy name and perhaps the growing dread of the Kennedy curse would only grind with him. There may be a reason for it that it may be there. I mean from the time they're little kids growing up people come up to him. Say when are you going to be president. And especially with John F. Kennedy junior because not only was his father father president but his father was assassinated. So it's almost like hey pal when are you gonNa get this back. It's almost the pressure is on on so under normal circumstances the pressure is on these aim sakes they tend to do things that are self destructed. They become alcoholics. So that's something that happens naturally but if your dad is assassinated it's kind of like hey are you gonna let him get away with that. You're you're supposed to take it back. That's tremendous pressure to be under to live under. I don't think they would be that overt in their pressure but it was kind ova it was. It was pretty hard to avoid. I mean you. Every time you turned around anybody. You were introduced to her. You've ever met. It would be discussed trust. That was something that was faced every day. He didn't show that there were any affected him in in any way because it would be not managed not Kennedy enough to show any emotions about it but the effect of the assassinations nations overall on John over the years was to accept his mother's dire warnings that they were out to kill Kennedy's and you would think that that would petrified by a young man finally finally on July the Sixteenth nineteen ninety nine the curse struck again so I was an automobile and the radio was on the came over the news that John. F Kennedy Jr. is airplane had disappeared over the Atlantic and I had chills go down my spine. I thought this is just wow I heard it and I thought this has happened over over and over throughout history. This cannot be a coincidence. There there must be some terrible pressure. I don't believe in curses but there must be some subconscious level something being very strong. That's going on that. Some terrible pressure that's going on. I've had people say that it could be the reverse. I tend to say that they have these feelings of self-destruction that are not going to be president. I'm not GonNa make this just too much. I can't take this and that at some unconscious level. That's going on but I've had others say the opposite. They'd say that they felt John F.. Kennedy Junior in your was just bold beyond reason that he took great risks extreme risks that he didn't wear a life preserver need be out in a Kayak and that he felt he was indestructible that. I`MMA Kennedy nothing can happen to me. I have a destiny so I've heard it both ways. I tend to suspect it's former next time on fatal voyage John F. Kennedy Junior case sold To cocaine spiraled out of control. That's when he became angry at her and yelled at her and Kirstein her. I said if I had millions and millions and millions and millions of dollars. The last thing I'd want to be doing is flying in small plan John F. Kennedy Junior. 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Chapter Six: The Tangled Web
"Today sexual infidelity would not be viewed as the atomic bomb was back then so maryland associated with powerful men became a target of interest to the enemies of those powerful men they taught to destroy their career and they would you know what I mean to Catholic after week boys screwing around and come up this time remember all knew she was being watched by the FBI Mafia and private detective actress she was feeling uneasy and thought maybe or like would be threatened hello and welcome to episode six of the killing of Marilyn Monroe. I'm Jackie Moran your host for this series in previous episodes. We've seen how Maryland used her power over men to escape life of loneliness and abuse as a foster child and and then to help her gain a career in the movies where she became the greatest sex symbol of her generation I just his asking for more aw but my heart belongs to by nineteen sixty two however and with three failed marriages marriages behind her Marilyn's tangled love life had put her at the center of a deadly circle of power. Maryland becomes very important in American politics because very early in nineteen sixty she meets and is entrenched by John F. Kennedy by Senator Kennedy she was having an affair with him with Frank Sinatra with people in the rat pack and she became a fixture in Hollywood. She certainly had outta stairs with a lot of powerful people and Was it something that she got so embroiled in their affairs that she had threatened to you. Expose them or talk about them to the press or admit to knowing some secrets about the mafia or the government or Oranje of these other things we're going to examine how Maryland's affairs with the president and his attorney general brother as well as her relationships with Frank Sinatra and Chicago Kogo mob boss Sam Giancana in the supposedly communist activities of ex husband. Arthur Miller drew the attention of notorious. FBI Director J Edgar Hoover and we'll we'll see how this all made her the most important player in these figures deadly power games against each other and put her at the heart of the most devastating political conspiracy conspiracy in American history. There were intertwined orbits of influence that indeed Oursel- murky that I don't think anyone will ever or no forces countermanding one another. Everybody had an angle. Everybody has something to protect to hide Maryland had begun a passionate affair with JFK as early as nineteen sixty but by the time of her infamous happy birthday Mr President performance at Madison Square Garden in May nineteen sixty two he he had become alarmed by her increasing indiscretion and broke things off brother. Bobby was there to pick up the pieces she obviously was fascinated sided with and had a relationship with John F. Kennedy and then Bobby Kennedy followed suit as well the Kennedy Brothers have a uh-huh modus operandi when it came to women whereas Jack would begin in a relationship with a particular woman and then pass her on to bobby. JFK It was one that she hard out. You and Bobby was a one that came along and picked up the crumbs. You might say however however by August nineteen sixty two when bobby also threatened to pull the plug on their relationship. Maryland decided to fight fire with fire. It was to prove a terrible terrible mistake. Here's author in Hollywood historian. Bill birds when Bobby Kennedy breaks off the fair in nineteen sixty two Maryland is so upset she calls the Justice Department to leave a message with Bobby Kennedy threatening the Kennedy brothers with public public exposure of cheers with her. If they don't acknowledge the affairs in public opinion return phone call drew about bobby no room in my life. Maybe I should stop being a coward myself. Maryland's threat went beyond simply exposing the affairs. She claimed that the Kennedys pillow talk included state secrets and worse Maryland San Ed that when she and Jack Kennedy were together she would whisper things to her that were classified state secrets for example Boca. She threatened Bobby Kennedy with going public by saying that the president told her that the CIA was planning planning to kill Cuban President Fidel Castro sent. She said this she said on the message. 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Moore won in their category with over three hundred businesses on trust pilot and hurried up cert dot com slash monroe to find out how your up spurt rate is checking. Your rate only takes a few minutes and won't affect your credit. That's upstart dot com slash monroe and if the Kennedys indiscretions had given Maryland what she thought was leverage over the two most powerful men in the country it was also in danger of turning those former lovers into her enemies and her affairs with the brothers were also proving useful for other interested parties celebrity biographer Mark Bego so there's this whole speculation about how close she was to the mob because of Frank Sinatra how close she was to you the Kennedy brothers. It's certainly something that could have been done if that was their scheme to use Maryland's closeness as some sort of leverage for legislation of some sort Sinatra of course took advantage of her and then lover it all and beat her up. He was is living in the compound molly with hills somewhere and every time she visited him Joe Dimaggio with the outside outside waiting for her because she was worried about frank. Sinatra had a very very complicated always accusations of being associated with the mob. Bob The cal Neva Lodge the Las Vegas singing engagements casinos were always accused of being associated with the mob for Sam Giancana. 's Mafia outfit Maryland's affair with not one but two Kennedy brothers was the stuff of black mailing dreams they saw her as a weapon with which they could could take down both the president and Attorney General of the United States Danforth Prince Monroe expert and publisher of Maryland at Rainbow's end sex lies murder murder and the great cover up gene connell was not particularly interested in any of Maryland's run of the mill sexual peccadilloes but he was passionately interested in anything that might embarrass or incriminate President John F. Kennedy and Kennedy's brother Robert. The Attorney General of the United States are of K had already launched a major major investigation into organized crime in America and Jean Kahn. Oh as head of the Chicago Crime Syndicate one of his primary targets there was a theory to mob killed the mob love to and used because they want to destroy the Kennedys they already had Lyndon Johnson lined up for presidency they control like four or five presence agency that I know of that all got very murky in a way that Showbiz and politics it was all complicated Stu and murky mass us of unions and presidential elections and Hollywood donors and mobsters and who gets what singing gigs wear and what money is made casinos gambling licences are granted or not Marilyn's affairs with the Kennedy brothers plus her lasting relationship with Sinatra had put her at the heart of of the so-called murky mess of intrigue between the President and Attorney General the Mafia and Sinatra's rat pack. Here's lowest banner author of Maryland. The Passion the paradox there were a lot of people angry with her including the Kennedys the FBI CIA was pretty mad and some of her friends. We're angry with her. They were all angry because of the involvement with the Kennedys and the fact that she knew national secrets and that she was going to reveal them. It feels she was going to reveal them at her phone tapped and now a new player was to enter the game one who saw Marilyn Monroe as a means of leverage against each Glenn of those other parties the FBI had a file on her especially if she did or said anything that could embarrass the the office of the president and being as she had an obvious affair with JFK. I think really got the FBI motivated to try and come up with a smear campaign formerly classified files released by the FBI in the nineteen eighties reveal that the bureau's all powerful director J J. Edgar Hoover saw in Maryland a means to further his own power plays Hollywood historian Bill Burns Explains J. Edgar Hoover was out to get the Kennedys he was dictated that the Kennedys he was taping Marilyn Monroe's phone calls and he was also looking into into Marilyn Monroe's relationship with the rat pack with Frank Sinatra Dean Martin with Peter Lawford with Joey Bishop with Sammy Davis Junior. He was looking getting into that because J. Edgar Hoover was business partners with Mafia boss Frank Costello in a race track in Florida. I think that if she was bugged I won't be surprised if it was over because he was very controlling all stars and he had a hand and all that he also was very the Anti Kennedy so he might have been looking for something that could damage them. Poodle was completely compromised in this but he wanted to keep tabs on Marilyn Monroe Enro- both for the Kennedys and for the rat pack as well as for himself as we heard in the last episode the FBI were also interested trysted in Maryland's possible communist ties following her ex husband Arthur Miller's investigation by the House UNAMERICAN activities committee during which he had been found guilty guilty of contempt of Congress for his supposed leftist leanings. The monitoring of Maryland's activities had increased since a trip she had made to Mexico earlier in nineteen sixty two. Here's Danforth prince she decided she needed holiday and wanted to go buy furniture in Mexico and suddenly a host of people came out to show her around to to invite her to glamorous parties associated with the Mexican film industry out of the woodwork came an heir to the vanderbilt fortune had been thrown out the vanderbilt orbit because of his loud and strident associations with the Communist Party during that brief trip to Mexico she found herself on the middle of Diego Geico the artist and his film community a very aggressive communist American expatriot crowd wiretapping was widely used by every agency and see and they were worried that Marilyn who had turned communist was going to reveal state secrets was an anti-communist era and she had come. I'm close to joining the Communist Party was Marilyn a communist sympathizer despite the hundreds of pages of FBI files it seems unlikely somebody wanted to give her to Mexico and invited to Glamorous Party and she said yes and they were communists and indeed it added to her being targeted as a risk by the forces of evil but things were about to get even more complicated an even more dangerous the Kennedys the Mafia J. Edgar Hoover and communist paranoia. They were all about to come together in what would have been the biggest scandal in American political history and Marilyn was right at the heart of it. I think one of the most upsetting things that Castro did to the economics of the tourism industry in the Caribbean was at Fidel Castro closed on the casinos which was a tremendous loss loss for the mob when their source of income in the casinos of humour closed out they were furious. Joe Kennedy Approached Costello to help his son become become president and the idea was you get all your union backing throughout the United States and all of them off throughout the United States and if my son became president we invade Cuba you and give you back all you casinos so it was a win win for everybody so the mob had a huge vested interest tryst in toppling Fidel Castro. JFK had a huge vested interest in toppling Fidel Castro. The Kennedy Administration had botched watched the invasion of Cuba through the Bay of Pigs with the understanding that there was collusion between the CIA and the Mafia as regards an invasion of Cuba to throw over ver- Fidel Castro JFK's failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in one thousand nine hundred ninety one was not only politically embarrassing it would also have very serious consequences for the Kennedy Dynasty they wish but in the old man's in Palm Beach that they can start whacking his kids if they don't get their casinos. The Sun Is President. You told us we'd get the casinos back which was a win win. Go back there. They lost millions and millions of dollars down there just just in the buildings and they wanted the real estate back in that was the whole Bay of Pigs fiasco. The Kennedys did not keep their side of the bargain that Father Joe Oh had struck with the mob and a year later. JFK was dead five years after that so was bobby in the meantime. Maryland was sitting on a political bombshell. If it was to emerge that the president had done a deal with the mafia to trade electoral influence for the returning of their Cuban casinos the political consequences would have been catastrophic Outta straffic. Suddenly everyone wanted to know what she knew. That house was definitely buzzing. Four different sets of tapes and that vanished in the cover up you have the J. Edgar Hoover tapes and the reason is to catch Bobby Kennedy with his pants down who was to spice bye bye Bobby Kennedy and his family. We wanted leverage of black male. That was the reason for the Hula taste. Hoover was very controlling of all stars stars. He also was very anti Kennedy so he might have been looking for something. That could damage them. The FBI tapes the reason they wanted to find out what Maryland Orlando above Frank Sinatra's conversations with the Mafia in Maryland had an affair with him and they remained friends Chicago gangster. Sam Giancana hired bread tash a private detective was notorious for incriminating movie stars for secretly wiretapping their home trade off entourage was hired by Sam Giancana and the Chicago mob to get inside information on what Maryland may know about the FBI and Bobby Kennedy's attack on the Chicago mob. She and Kinda might have believed that since he was being investigated by Bobby Kennedy then Attorney General of the United States who was indeed the threatening to bring down the mafia and throw his henchmen into jail. It's not farfetched to assume that Giancana might have been trying to get something on the Kennedys so that they might perhaps lessen the pressure on him. Personally heard you're smarter but I didn't know I in this episode of the killing of Marilyn Monroe is brought to you by best fiends as as much as I'm a true crime junkie. Sometimes I do need to take my mind off the real world for awhile so I started playing best scenes. It's a five star rated mobile puzzle game name with tons of levels really cute characters what it will do is keep your brain sharp and engaged especially. If you just want zone out for a little while I I started out a bit confident in the beginning because they really hook you things. Were going very smoothly. You can smash your way through levels but then get ready for level ten you guys. 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Marilyn Monroe kept the secret diary in which she recorded accorded intimate information about her relationships with several celebrities moving love affair with the then president Kennedy. This book would have been very intimidating if it was found that the time Maryland's colorful and chaotic love life had put her at the center of the biggest political article conspiracy of the age and one that involved the most powerful and dangerous men in America and now she was writing it all down. We knew that her life was somewhat in. She was in fear of her life. That'd be buddy wanted the hands on on the diary because yes. She wrote down some incriminating things. That diary has never been found to this day. It's never been saying except for a couple of people over sort of one Mellon Monroe tie that morning with the stakes now perilously high getting hold of that diary and and silencing the woman who was writing it became imperative and meanwhile Maryland had become another affair with a man to whom she could divulge her innermost secrets. What's her psychiatrist. Dr Ralph Greenspan Dr Greenspan had a very questionable doctor patient relationship with Marilyn Dr Greens and fell in love with Marilyn Monroe like many people perform fell under his spell that was crossing all kinds of bad lines for doctor patient because there was no separation between our therapy and our friendship young. I know the most private secret thoughts of Marilyn Monroe she she became more and more and more and more dependent on him he was making all kinds of decisions for about who she should see and who she shouldn't see telling her who she should be friends with and who Josh Be Frederick we shall see in future episodes. Just how significant enrolled Dr Greenspan was to play in Marilyn's death but for the moment he had become become just one more player in a game that she had long ago lost control over had she told everything in the phraseology threatening to do she would have brought down her psychiatrist. I should've brought down part of the medical. Establishment brought down many of the of the Kennedy's and their own powers presidencies. I think unfortunately absolutely Marilyn. Monroe made a threat and that threat cost her her life now in Monroe had become such a threat to the Kennedys that they they had to get rid of her. She was also such a threat that the FBI wandered around of the wing or at least shut up and CIA eh one or two Ronald Away Maryland search for a powerful man to look after her from first husband James Daugherty through her casting couch conquests in her rat pack lovers and all the way up to the president and his attorney general brother had always been conducted on her terms but now the men in her life. We're using her and she had become a liability. Here's Doherty whom she married when she was sixteen and a complete unknown in a long lost interview explaining explaining how the girl he wants new had gone in way over her head. She knew how to be tough. She didn't have that stuff. The game was hurt all the time always hollister and she feared him to go out of the House for what she was always afraid and she was timid to tip and I person she just a a real sweet person should never been in that good. She should have been somewhere where somebody could your husband take it would be better just to have smiled and nodded and not threatened to bring down all these houses of cars. It was all a system waiting waiting to crash Maryland was very dangerous a huge threat to the power structure of both the official politics and the mob an in Hollywood and the medical establishment imagined threatening to bring down so many powerful people Maryland was just too dangerous a woman to be allowed to continue to live next time on the killing of Marilyn Monroe countdown to murder. She was obviously astoundingly beautiful. She was also very needy and she was damaged person. I think Marilyn Monroe was just at that point tired of is being used and I think that John Kennedy Robert Kennedy may have said things to Marilyn Monroe things. They probably should not have told Marilyn Monroe. I think it was so angry to felt like she's being used that she told them I'm going to go to the news tomorrow and tell them everything she. She knew that she wasn't supposed to know okay. She wrote things down in the diary. That would've been very incriminating for high level. People could be Kennedy eight people or I don't know candy had a motive because he's had the love of fit the doctor could have had a reason the people up in the calumny but the undesirable marshfield people could have had a reason to the killing of Marilyn Monroe is hosted by me Jackie Moran executive produced by Dylan Howard and production of broad and water studios and endeavor audio executive producers also include. Tom freestone James Robertson and Andy Tillett the series is produced by carry budge and written by Dominic Button atten reporting by Doug Montero. The series is mixed and engineered by Sean Crab and Sam Ada scoring by Benz town. 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Introducing Shattered, Season 4: Hoffa
"Here's a special report from news for. Investigators are searching forty Acre field and Oakland Counties Waterford Township for what could be the body of missing seeing teamster leader Jimmy Hoffa when I tell people I'm working on a podcast Jimmy Hoffa. They asked me if we found the body. No we haven't we did not uncover any evidence relevant to the investigation on James Taufa through from Michigan. It's almost a rite of passage every summer that there's some big going on somewhere in the state but after two weeks of digging they come up with is nothing you just grow up with it as just. Oh Yeah. They're digging Jimmy Hoffa David. What's new the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa Alpha? It's one of the most iconic unsolved crimes in American history but Hoffa story is more than a murder mystery. It's more than a who done it. It's the story of a man who was willing willing to mortgage everything from power and control you short aggressive pugnacious wouldn't back off. Many buddy was willing to do whatever he thought he he had to do to increase his own power and and to allied said the benefit the members of the union but he was not unwilling to sit down with with the devil. Once you start digging into Hoffa you find yourself in a rabbit hole of dark tunnels you look at teamsters union and end up in a Senate hearing led by Bobby Kennedy Do you have any evidence of the twenty thousand dollars in cash that you put into the business. You'll take my work part as the internal revenue hats asked Jimmy Hoffa talk about The Kennedys talk about Bobby Kennedy. He spoke about Bobby Kennedy all the time with great hate questions about the teamsters pension fund. Lead you to Las Vegas was Jimmy. HOFFA helped mobsters bill. All these roads lead us back to HOFFA's obsession in with power. There was nothing he wouldn't do to have it and hold onto it and once he lost everything. How far would he go to get it? Back by nineteen seventy five. I believe Jimmy Hoffa awful is a full-fledged FBI informant. I had to ensure Mr Hoffa great fear and great respect. You had a lot of very powerful dangerous men that felt that they were sold a bill goods and these are not the type of men you want to have on your bad side now. They had no choice but to kill Mr Half unfortunately from Wdr the in Detroit and Graham am media. I'm Steve Garrison coming up. This season on shattered we chart life and death of Jimmy. You can hear episode one on December. Third her subscribe to shatter. Wherever you get your podcasts uh?
Jimmy Hoffa Pt. 1
"The Around two PM on July thirtieth nineteen seventy-five. Jimmy Hoffa pulled his Green Pontiac sedan up to the matches red. Fox Restaurant in the Detroit suburbs the moment Jimmy entered the establishment. The waitstaff escorted him to his usual table as former president of the teamsters labor union. He was a local celebrity. But multiple run INS with the law a brief stint in prison and connections with organized crime head cost Jimmy that position. Now. He was here to get it back. Jimmy was. To meet with organized crime members, Anthony Tony Pro Provenzano an Anthony Tony Jack Jack alone. If Jimmy could settle some issues with them. He might be able to return as union president but Tony Pro and Tony Jack never arrived by two thirty PM Jimmy was tired of waiting. He left a twenty dollar bill on the table and went across the street to the nearest phone booth. He called his wife Josephine to tell her he'd be home by four, but his Jimmy headed back to his car a burgundy mercury. Marquee. Pulled up beside him. On lookers say they saw Jimmy talked to three unidentified men. He then entered the back seat of the vehicle and was never seen again. Welcome to conspiracy theories a podcast original. Every Monday and Wednesday. We dig into the complicated stories behind the world's most controversial events in search for the truth I'm Carter Roy and Molly Brandenburg, and neither of us are conspiracy theorists but we are open minded skeptical and curious don't get US wrong. Sometimes, the official version is the truth but sometimes it's not you can find episodes of conspiracy theories and all other park has originals for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts to stream conspiracy theories for free on spotify just open the APP. And type conspiracy theories in the search bar. This is our first episode on. Jimmy Hoffa President of the teamsters Labor Union from the late nineteen fifties to early nineteen seventies to me contributed to the middle class workforce by unionizing contracts and ensuring fair practices in the workplace. But his means were hardly ethical Jimmy accomplished much of his growth by involving the teamsters with America's most dangerous mobsters. This episode we'll see how Jimmy Hoffa went from working class hero to one of the most notorious cold cases in history. Next, time will take a look at the suspects from Jimmy's closest friends to the Federal Bureau of Investigations and a notorious serial killer. We have all that and more coming up stay with us. Born in nineteen thirteen Jimmy are Hoffa was never a stranger to hard work His father John was a coal miner gave his life to the job literally. The poor conditions in the minds lead to an incurable respiratory disease John passed away when he was seven after his father's death, Jimmy's mother Viola was forced to go back to work but she struggled to make ends meet as a result Jimmy dropped out of school. When he was fourteen to help support the family he later Leonard a job as a warehouseman for krogers grocery store life in the warehouse was tough at the time. There were hardly any regulations to ensure a fair labor practices. Jimmy and his co workers weren't allowed to leave the loading platform or take breaks, and if there were no deliveries on a given day management refused to pay them. So in nineteen, thirty to nineteen year old Jimmy took matters into his own hands an organized a strike against Kroger. Grocery store. Jimmy Co workers refused to unload boxes of strawberries until the company met their demands, more breaks and a set payment whenever they showed up to work. Jimmy strike caught the attention of the teamsters labor union primarily composed of warehouse and transportation workers like truckers and cab drivers labor unions such as the teamsters ensured that businesses treated their employees fairly. Essentially, they saw power in numbers. If a few employees were being wronged, the union rallied all members together to make sure changes were made in since most goods couldn't be delivered without truckers and warehouses couldn't be stocked without laborers. The teamsters were one of the most powerful unions in the country because of Jimmy's organizing abilities, the teamsters were eager to recruit him. There was young passionate and he knew how to rally his men. Within his first year of union membership, Jimmy was promoted to business agent for the Detroit local to ninety nine branch as a business agent Jimmie handled the union chapters day to day operations. He was primarily a liaison between workers and union management. Jimmy enjoyed making a difference for the working class, but his quick ascension also made him hungry for more power. He do whatever it took to rise through the unions ranks. In that meant forming ties with organized crime. In the mid Nineteen S A teamsters secretary named Sylvia A- Gano introduce Jimmy to a local Detroit mobster frank three fingers Coppola. Sylvia told Jimmy that Coppola could help with his career in turn. Coppola introduced Jimmy to Anthony Tony Jack Jack Aloni. Tony Jack was the Capo or crew leader for the Detroit Sicilian mob as promised the connection boosted Jimmy standing within the teamsters union. Now when Jimmy organized a strike businesses didn't just face the threat of losing their workers. They also faced retaliation from the mob. Jimmy's connection to the Union. Benefited the Mafia's well, it gave them a cover when they intimidated business owners for so called protection. If. Those businesses refused to pay up Jimmy ordered his union to strike more often than not these strikes turned violent. Jimmy said that within his first year of joining the Union, his scalp was laid open sufficiently wide to require stitches no less than six times. Essentially, this is how things went. The teamsters would strike and refused to do their jobs in response companies hired strikebreakers. These were men outside of the Union who crossed the unions picket lines and did the job instead police were deployed to protect the strikebreakers frequently led to violent assaults on the teamsters. So the teamsters retaliated with arson bombings, theft, and looting to top it off the mafia hitmen to the business owners homes. If matters still weren't resolved, it was brutal but effective and thanks to Jimmy. Hart? The mob union partnership flourished. As the years passed. Jimmy used this relationship to solidify his position within the teamsters union. In nineteen, fifty, two at thirty, nine years old Jimmy was elected as its vice president three years. Later he developed the Central States Pension Fund the Pension Fund allowed employers to make regular contributions to the union members retirement before Jimmy created it, union workers were completely reliant on social security to stay afloat Jimmy oversaw the fund and controlled where the money was distributed after a few years of contributions the fund racked up two hundred million dollars in contributions about two billion dollars today it was a game changer Jimmy's direct access to the Fund meant he could dip into it anytime he wanted. And he wasn't shy about rewarding his friends in organized crime. In the first few years, he loaned the Mafia millions from the pension fund. They use the money to build casinos in Havana Cuba and Las Vegas Nevada. Jimmy wasn't exactly concerned with the legality of the arrangement or that the money wasn't going to union members. He was willing to look the other way in exchange for a personal kickback. Jimmy's illicit actions eventually garnered unwanted attention from the Press Victor Resell and investigative reporter for The New York journal American caught onto his game in nineteen fifty six. He erred a radio broadcast targeting corrupt union leadership including teamsters, leader Jimmy. Hart. But on April Fifth Nineteen fifty six, just a few hours after the broadcast reese'll stepped out of New York City, restaurant and was met with a face full of acid resolve was permanently blinded in August nineteen, fifty six. The FBI found the assailant. Their suspect was a man named Abraham Tell v he was an associate of the Sicilian mob in probably connected to Jimmy Hoffa. But by the time, the FBI track till the down, he already been murdered by the gangsters who put him up for the job. The attack on resell inspired us. Senator John L McClellan to take matters into his own hands. He created the McClellan committee in January of Nineteen Fifty, seven today. It's better known as the United States Senate Select Committee on improper activities in labor and Management Senator John F. Kennedy and his brother Senator Bobby Kennedy were also members of the committee. Like victory sel bobby wanted to end the mafia's role in labor unions bobby new Jimmy. Hoffa was the glue that held the teamsters and Mafia together. He was also certain. Jimi played a role in the attack on Russell and the senator was determined to make Jimmy answer for it. On February twenty sixth nineteen, Fifty, seven, one, point two, million Americans tuned in to watch the McClellan. Committee's I hearing. Everyone wanted to see if Bobby Kennedy could take down Jimmy Hoffa the hearings continued for the next few months but the committee had no evidence that directly pointed to Jimmy Hoffa's involvement with organized crime. In fact, the televised hearings only made Jimmy more powerful. American. Saw Him as a working class hero a clean and honest man and later in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven. Jimmy. Hoffa became president of the teamsters union president of the teamsters union or not. Bobby Kennedy wouldn't let Jimmy off so easily. It was personal. Now, the hearings sparked a rivalry between Jimmy and bobby who was convinced Jimmy was guilty but Jimmy wouldn't be caught. So easily he obsessed over the McClellan committee's inner workings and hired New York Attorney John C, chesty to infiltrate its offices. He wanted to spy in the committee's research. He needed to know what they had on him. So Jimmy offered chase. Twenty Four. Dollars or two, hundred, eighteen thousand dollars today to gather that information except Chase de reported Jimmy's bribery attempt directly to the committee. Wanting to get back at Jimmy Bobby Kennedy offered chased E A job. The two formed a plan to take down Jimmy Hoffa once and for all chase the arranged a meeting with Jimmy and said, he would give him sensitive documents from the McClellan committee's HQ for a price. Meanwhile bobby planned to catch Jimmy at this meeting red handed on March Thirteenth Nineteen fifty seven, the FBI surrounded the park where Chase D. and Jimmy met. They closed in on Jimmy as soon as he handed over an envelope of cash to chase. Jimmy was arrested in charged with bribery. Bobby was certain. Had enough to convict. Jimmy. WAS, so. Confident. He said that if Jimmy got acquitted, he'd jump off the Capitol building. Unfortunately, for Bobby Kennedy. was looking like he might need a parachute. Coming up Jimmy Hoffa evades criminal charges again. This. Episode of conspiracy theories is brought to you by simply safe simply safe was designed to be easy to use well protecting your whole home twenty, four seven. 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From the Nineteen Thirties to the nineteen fifties Jimmy Hoffa steadily climbed the teamsters, labor unions ranks, but that power came with a price. Thanks to Jimmy's connection to the Italian Mafia. He became Senator Bobby Kennedy and the McClellan committee is number one target and in nineteen fifty, seven bobby finally got forty four year old Jimmy. Red. Handed in a bribe attempt in June of that year Jimmy was met in court by a predominantly black jury. The jury's composition was in his favor. Jimmy was a public supporter of Martin Luther King Junior and was also known for refusing to segregate the teamsters by race. And Jimmy also knew how to manipulate people in his favor after learning of the primarily black jury Jimmy had a black female lawyer join his legal team. He also had the black boxer, Joe Louis Flown in to hug him in front of the jury. Thanks to this publicity, black newspapers, ran ads praising Jimmy for being an advocate of civil rights and it all worked in Jimmy's favor. He pled not guilty and was acquitted of the bribery charges. Jimmy's attorney later sent a gift wrapped box to Bobby Kennedy. A toy parachute for his jump from the Capitol building. Meanwhile Jimmy went back to running the teamsters. Union. He selected a man named Frank Fitzsimmons as his vice president mainly because fits was easy to control and would do exactly as Jimmy said Jimmy also promoted Tony Tony. Pro. Provenzano member of the Genovese crime family to Vice President of the New Jersey teamsters faction the AFL CIO or the American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations was not happy about Tony Pros new position. In fact, they threatened to kick the teamsters out of the Union Federation unless Jimmy reversed his decision instead Jimmy responded by giving Tony Pro another salary raise. So in December of nineteen, Fifty, seven, the AFL CIO fulfilled their promise in remove the teamsters from their federation. Jimmy and the teamsters didn't need the AFL CIO to back them up. Around the time, they got kicked out of the organization Italian Mafia Don Russell Bufalino introduced his best Hitman to the teamsters. Frank the Irishman Sheeran was a six foot four truck driver with an intimidating presence and after years of odd jobs and running scams Sharon wanted to join a union to secure a nest egg for his family. Sheeran was just the kind of Guy Jimmy was looking for when they spoke over the phone Jimmy said, I heard you paint houses meaning he'd painted A. Few walls red with blood Sharon responded I do my own carpentry work to he also hid the bodies. Jimmy told Sharon to report to local to ninety nine in Detroit. The very next day SHEERAN was tasked with organizing strikes and intimidating strikebreakers with his size. He also became the teamsters go to hit man he performed well and didn't ask questions which earned Jimmy's respect. But Frank Sheeran couldn't protect Jimmy from Bobby. Kennedy. Even. After escaping the bribery charge Jimmy was buried under an avalanche of lawsuits for various alleged misdeeds a typical day for Jimmy Hoffa was spending the morning in court waging war against Bobby Kennedy. After lunch, he headed over to the local to ninety nine office answered phone calls and Organiz Union members many were impressed with Jimmy's composure as he navigated numerous trials in talked his way out of difficult situations it seemed like nothing could bring him down. That is until John F. Kennedy was elected president of the United States in nineteen sixty. He appointed his brother Bobby as the attorney general giving Jimmy's nemesis shared control over the FBI along with J Edgar Hoover before JFK's presidency, the FBI's main focus was eradicating communism in the US. But Bobby Kennedy still had his sights set on Jimmy Hoffa and organized crime. So, bobby created the get HOFFA squad. It was composed of prosecutors and investigators dedicated to taking down Jimmy. HOFFA. With the HOFFA squads resources at Bobby, Kennedy's fingertips. He was able to dig up dirt from Jimmy's passed in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, two, bobby hit forty, nine year old Jimmy with another indictment this time it was over a shady practice. Jimmy started all the way back in nineteen forty, nine, that year, Jimmy and his friend Oh and Bert Brennan created a car hauling company called test fleet. But they didn't want to be associated with their new business, Jimmy and Brennan registered it under their wives maiden name's to avoid detection. They probably did it to go behind the teamsters unions back when the Union strike against a service called commercial carriers. Test Fleet crossed the picket lines into over its operations not only was Jimmy betraying his own union. He made a massive profit doing. So the HOFFA's and Brennan's made close to one hundred and twenty five, thousand dollars off a mere four thousand dollar investment. That's a one point three million dollar profit today. And the teamsters had new idea, their faithful leader was involved test fleet shut down in nineteen, fifty seven possibly because Jimmy didn't want his pass to haunt him once he became union president. But he didn't hide his tracks well, enough five years later. Bobby Kennedy discovered the truth he accused Jimmy a violating the Taft Hartley. which forbade employers from paying off union representatives. Essentially Bobby claimed that commercial carriers pay to me off by hiring test fleet. However Jimmy refuse to go down without a fight even though he was only facing misdemeanor charges, he didn't want Bobby Kennedy to beat him. So Jimmy hired the best legal team possible. He had a successful Supreme Court lawyer Tommy Osbourne along with attorney Bill Bufalino the cousin of the mob boss who introduced Jimmy to frank the Irishman Sheeran. But even with his crack legal team to meet wasn't confident he'd emerge unscathed. So he decided to dabble in jury tampering to guarantee his name was cleared except Jimmy made the mistake of telling Louisiana teamster Edward Grady pardon his plans. Pardon had a criminal history. So Jimmy thought he could trust him with his own crimes. Apparently that wasn't the case pardon reported Jimmy to Walter Sheridan, Bobby Kennedy's closest confidant on the get Hoffa squad. All the while Jimmy was trying to bribe his way to an acquittal. I, he tried to pay off an insurance broker who held a seat on the jury. The juror went to the judge and said his neighbor on him ten thousand dollars to vote for acquittal. Today, this would be worth about eighty, five, thousand dollars. The man was quickly excused Andrew placed next Jimmy attempted to bribe a Tennessee state trooper whose wife was on the panel. The trooper accepted the bribe from Jimmy's camp but was caught by an FBI agent. His wife was also excused from the jury. The last straw was when Juror claimed a union business agent visited his son in Detroit. That business agent obviously working for Jimmy. For. The jurors son ten thousand dollars as well. He even gave him half as a down payment that juror was also excused. Jimmy had no idea pardon had betrayed him instead Jimmy was convinced the government was wiretapping him. By May Ninth Nineteen Sixty three the court had enough evidence of jury tampering to turn that Little Misdemeanor into a felony. But on June fourth of that year things escalated further. Jimmy was also indicted for the fraudulent misuse of the central states. Pension Fund Jimmy had invested the truckers pension money into a land development called Sun Valley. He said, it was a place for the teamsters to retire, but he had allegedly taken more than four hundred thousand dollars from the fund to build the community. It's three million dollars today. Sun Valley was a swampy piece of land that was hard to manage. The development quickly went bankrupt, which led Jimmy to take another five hundred thousand dollars from the pension just to earn the investment back and Bobby Kennedy caught him with his hand in the cookie jar. Now, Jimmy was facing charges of fraud conspiracy and jury tampering Jimmy's lawyers had the jury tampering trial postponed until January nineteen, sixty four. So they could prepare their wiretapping arguments. Meanwhile, Jimmy's attorney Osborne was disbarred for tampering with the test fleet. With him off the legal team things were looking dire for Jimmy. But on November twenty second nineteen, sixty, three the day after Osborne's disbarring president. John F. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas Texas upon hearing the news Jimmy distasteful responded by standing on a chair in a restaurant declaring quote I hope the worms eat his eyes out. And the day of John Kennedy's memorial Jimmy Hoffa went on national television to attack the government for disbarring Osborne. There were no condolences for the Kennedy family. In fact, Jimmy was so callous Bobby Kennedy suspected he and the Mafia could be behind his brother's assassination. Many conspiracy theorists shared the same suspicion. After JFK tried to overthrow Cuban leader Fidel. Castro in nineteen sixty one. Many of the Mafia's casinos in Havana were shut down which meant they had a motive to me and his team of mobsters could have easily paid off the assassin Lee Harvey Oswald to make the hit. But there wasn't any concrete evidence to connect Jimmy to JFK's assassination. However bobby had plenty of Ammo for Jimmy's upcoming trial. When Jimmy's jury tampering trial arrived in January nineteen, sixty four, the prosecution delivered a surprise witness Louisiana teamster Edward Grady, pardon? For the first time Jimmy realized there was a mole in his midst. In the defense room at the courthouse the ever. So calm Jimmy Hoffa lost his composure. Jimmy screamed at his attorneys. He threw chairs across the courtroom he cursed out members of the committee. But his little Tantrum didn't help his case on March fourth nineteen, sixty, four Jimmy. HOFFA was found guilty of jury tampering in the test case. That was quickly followed by another guilty verdict for conspiracy and fraud in the sun. Valley case Jimmy Hoffa was sentenced to thirteen years at the Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary in Pennsylvania. Which meant the union king had to rescind his teamster thrown? But not without a fight. Coming up Jimmy Hoffa's long list of enemies comes back to haunt him now back to the story. In nineteen sixty, four, fifty, one year old. Jimmy. HOFFA was sentenced to thirteen years in prison for jury tampering fraud and conspiracy while acting as teamster union president. At first Jimmy, maintained his role as president while behind bars. But. It wasn't easy. Phone calls weren't allowed and the only letters he could ride were to his family. So Jimmy task the union's Vice President Frank Fitzsimmons with taking over the day to day operations fortunately. Jimmy Son. Twenty six year old James P. Hoffa worked as an attorney for the teamsters. Jimmy relayed information fits in the union directly through James Junior fits was easy to control but that's because he was completely check out. While fits was in charge, the mafia withdrew more money from the pension fund than ever before if the Union didn't regain some control soon, it could be in serious danger. Jimmy felt like he was the only one who could save it and if he played his cards, right he could reclaim the presidency and get released from prison in nineteen sixty seven Jimmy's attorney Morris Schenker devised a get out of jail. Free. Plan. Schenker was going to secure a presidential pardon from Richard Nixon on Jim's behalf. But that would only work if Nixon was elected. So Jimmy's team gave regular contributions to Nixon's campaign to help things along in fact, Jimmy was so focused on his potential release he barely noticed when Bobby Kennedy was fatally shot on June fifth nineteen sixty eight. Unlike his celebration one JFK died Jimmy made no public mention of Bobby's death. On top of the pardon scheme, Jimmy was also busy with prison politics. His longtime teamster ally Tony Pro. From the Genovese crime family was also at Lewisburg State Penitentiary for extortion one day in the cafeteria tony pro asked Jimmy for help as a member of the teamsters union Tony Pro wanted to make sure he could still receive his pension once he was released. Jimmy said he wanted to help but crimes like extortion made Tony Pro in eligible to collect his pension. Even as union president there was nothing Jimmy could do tony pro took this personally he knew Jimmy. Had Access to the funds in the past. So the excuse wasn't good enough. Tony pro responded by threatening to rip Jimmy's guts out if he didn't help but Jimmy wasn't afraid Tony. Pro was influential in the mafia, but he had less way than Jimmy with powerful dawn's like Russell Bufalino on Jimmy's side Tony. Pro. Wouldn't do anything rash even. So Jimmy and Tony Pros relationship was permanently fractured. However just because Jimi didn't help tony pro that didn't mean he wasn't still involved with the teamsters union. In early nineteen seventy-one Jimmy was denied parole because he was still wheeling and dealing for the teamsters. If you wanted parole, he had to give up his title as president. Jimmy considered it. Until Frank. FITZSIMMONS announced his intention to run for teamsters president in the next election. Jimmy was infuriated he felt betrayed by his own puppet Wahad in April nineteen seventy-one, a family tragedy gave Jimmy, the opening who needed. When his wife Josephine had a heart attack Jimmy was given permission to visit her in the hospital. Jimmy used the temporary release to meet with his fellow union leaders as well. It's unclear what they discussed, but many believed it had to do with Richard Nixon in Jimmy's presidential pardon. Now, that Nixon was president, it was time for him to thank Jimmy for his generous campaign contributions. But apparently, the wheel still needed greasing in May nineteen seventy-one Union Hitman Frank. The Irishman Sheeran got a call from Mafia Don Russell. Bufalino. He needed Sheeran to make a delivery. Sharon was sent to the Hilton Hotel in Washington DC with a suitcase containing half a million dollars. A few minutes after arriving in the lobby President Nixon's Attorney General John Mitchell sat down beside him Mitchell then took the suitcase and said. Nothing comes cheap. He then got up and left Sheeran alone in the lobby. As Sharon. Told it in his book I heard you paint houses. He was certain. The money was a bribe for Jimmy's pardon however sheeran and Jimmy weren't the only ones bribing the Nixon administration. Frank Fitzsimmons also sent half a million dollars. He claimed the money was for Jimmy's release, but it came with a stipulation fits wanted a guarantee. The Jimmy couldn't run against him for teamsters president allegedly, that money was provided to fits from Tony Pro. It was revenge for Jimmy, not helping him with his pension Jimi knew not to look a gift horse in the mouth. He agreed to step down as union president hoping it would secure his release he deal with fits looney was free. But. In the summer of Nineteen seventy-one, the parole board once again denied Jimmy's released they still suspect at the Jimmy was involved with organized crime he had resigned for nothing. After Jimmy's parole was denied fits publicly urged Nixon to pardon Jimmy Hoffa? Now Jimmy was barred from running for teamsters president until nineteen eighty, he no longer posed a threat on December sixteenth nineteen, seventy-one Jimmy's attorney filed a petition for a presidential pardon. The pardons skipped the usual authorization process from the justice. Department, and the FBI. Instead it was expedited in approved by Nixon's Attorney General John Mitchell who had accepted the suitcase full of cash. From Frank. Sherron Jimmy was released from prison on December twenty third nineteen seventy-one. But he wasn't ready to relax and enjoy his freedom. He wanted his old job back. In nineteen, seventy, three Jimmy announced his plans to challenge the ruling. Nixon's pardon prevented him from running for union president. His timing was perfect that same year, the Watergate scandal broke. Nixon was too busy trying to save his own skin to deal with Jimmy Hoffa. In all the chaos, the terms of Jimmy's pardon were all but forgotten. So Jimmy was ready to challenge fits in the nineteen seventy-six Union election. But first, he needed the support of his enemy Tony Pro since Tony Pro headed. So many local branches whichever candidate he supported would probably win except Tony Pro and the other members of the mafia involved with the teamsters didn't want Jimmy as president. Fits lead them withdraw whatever they wanted from the pension fund. If Jimmy one they were worried, he tighten the purse strings again. Things came to a head on October Eighteenth Nineteen, seventy four at Frank Sharon's birthday celebration at Philadelphia's Latin Casino. Jimmy and many prominent mobsters were in attendance Tony pro had already convinced his fellow mob members to not support Jimmy's candidacy. So that evening. Mafia. Don Russell Bufalino sat down with Jimmy and calmly told him not to run for reelection Jimmy Bristled at Bufalino advice. This was everything he had worked towards. He was willing to do whatever it took to win even if it meant exposing the teamsters criminal associations under Fitz's, regime. Bufalino didn't take kindly to Jimmy's threats. Yet share and tried to defend his friend saying that it was only Jimmy puffing he wouldn't rat them out. WOULD HE TURNS OUT SHEERAN was wrong. Jimmy showed him a list of records the tied the mafia to the teamsters. He was serious about exposing them. Frank had no choice but to tell Bufalino. Several months passed and neither side budged. Eventually, Jimmy may have realized that his gambit failed on July twenty, eighth nineteen, seventy five. He told Frank Sheeran that he was ready to squash the feud with the mafia to that end Jimmy said a meeting with Tony Pro and Tony Jack Jack Loney of the Detroit mob. It was to take place on July thirtieth at the matches red, Fox restaurant in the Detroit suburbs Sharon advise Jimmy to bring his little brother meaning has gone. Jimmy S Sheeran join him instead. Sharing agreed but when he tried to run it by his boss Russell Bufalino, he was told to stay back at two. PM. On July thirtieth Jimmy pulled into the matches red foxes parking lot. The restaurant was in a busy shopping centre Jimmy believed Tony Pro wouldn't pull a dangerous stunt with so many people around however the mobsters never showed frustrated Jimmy Cross to a nearby hardware store to use the payphone. I. He called a teamster Buddy named Luis Lynn Toe and told him he was stood up. Then, he called his wife Josephine to say he'd be home by four. PM. Jimmy. Crossed back to the parking lot when a burgundy mercury marquee pulled up beside him. Three unidentified men chatted with Jimmy before he willingly got in the car. And that was the last time anyone saw Jimmy Hoffa. Next week, we'll take a look at several theories as to what happened to Jimmy Hoffa? Theory Number One, the FBI kill. Jimmy. So he didn't expose Nixon's ties to Frank Fitzsimmons and the mob theory number two Jimmy was killed by a serial killer named Richard The iceman Kuklinski who was responsible for over one hundred deaths in the area theory number three Jimmy's closest confidante frank the Irishman Sheeran was sent by the mafia to kill Jimmy the FBI has dug up fifteen different sites in search of Jimmy, Hoffa's body, but it has yet to be found some. He was dismembered in the Florida everglades or pushed out of a plane over lake. Michigan maybe even crushed in a car compactor and sold with scrap metal. But the question is, who is the one to blame? Thanks for tuning into conspiracy theories, we'll be back Wednesday with two of Jimmy Hoffa. Among many sources we found, I heard you paint houses by Charles, Brandt to be helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of conspiracy theories and all other park asked originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like conspiracy theories for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream conspiracy theories on spotify just open the APP and type conspiracy theories in the search bar until then remember the truth isn't always the best story and the official story isn't always the truth. 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"Yeah. Episode of based on a true story. We looked at the nineteen ninety one film J F K. I thought a great follow up to that would be learning about the US president who was sworn into office the same day, president Kennedy was assassinated. So that's why on today's episode of based on a true story. We're going to compare history with the two thousand sixteen film LBJ just to be clear. It's not like LBJ is a sequel to Oliver Stone's JFK. I just thought it would make sense covering these two episodes back to back. LBJ was written by longtime project runway producer, Joey heart stone, and it was directed by actor writer, producer and director, rob Reiner. Interestingly both the director of the movie and the man cast to play the lead role of president Lyndon B Johnson would Harrelson have both admitted in interviews that they hated the real president Johnson because of his stance on Vietnam. So when the project came up they decided if they're going to do to movie they'd have to dig a little deeper than the surface level the rest as they say is history. I'm Dan the fab and this is based on a true story. Before starting our story today. There's two things we need to do your longtime listener, you already know what those are. This is your first time listening to the show, welcome. The first thing we need to do is to set up our game to Trues and ally. Here's how it works. I'm about to say three things two of them are true, which means one of them is ally. And it's your job to pick out which one is ally. Are you ready? Okay. Here. They are number one LBJ was on board Air Force One while JFK was assassinated number two, president Johnson called Bobby Kennedy soon after JFK was assassinated. Number three LBJ did not seek reelection for a second term. Got him. Okay. Now as you're listening to our story today, you'll find the two facts scattered somewhere throughout the episode and then by a simple process of elimination. You'll be able to find out which one is alive. And of course, we'll do a recap at the end of the episode to see how well you did. Now, the last thing to do before getting into the meat of our story today is to find out what will be covering next week over on the producers feet, and that would be the count of Monte Cristo. That's a longtime favourite film of mine. So I must admit it was kind of excuse to watch it again, I hadn't seen in a while. But I'm excited to see what sort of historical elements. We can chat about from the movie. So you'll get that on the producers feed next week if you aren't on the producers feet, you can get access to that by supporting the show over at based on a true story podcast dot com slash support. Once again, that's based on a true story podcast dot com slash support. All right now, let's begin our dive into the true story behind the movie LBJ. Today begins November twenty second nineteen sixty three announcer. Bob Walker provides voiceover as we see Air Force One on Dallas love field. I to get off the plane is Kim Allen's version of Jackie Kennedy. The crowd gathered nearby. Cheers. Then it's president John F Kennedy who's played by Jeffrey Donovan who descends from the craft. We also see Woody Harrelson version of LBJ or Lyndon Baines Johnson on the tarmac. He's there with his wife lady bird Johnson. She's played by Jennifer Jason Leigh as the president. And vice president are getting into their motorcade the movie cuts away to four years earlier before we continue though, I wanna point out that here in LBJ the movie cuts back to November twenty second nineteen sixty three throat a lot of the film. However, since we just covered the movie of I won't go much into the details of president Kennedy's assassination. Under remember twenty second nineteen sixty three as they're depicted in this movie here 'cause we already covered them there. Oh, and as a quick side note lady bird is not her real name her real name was Claudia Alta Johnson. But everyone called her lady bird, and since the movie does that's what I'll call her throughout the podcast as well. So back to the movies time light for years. Earlier would have been nineteen fifty nine. The text onscreen tells us. We're in the office of the majority leader based on the conversation. It's clear that Lyndon Johnson is trying to get people to vote for a farmville farmville itself, isn't that important to the grand scheme of things. But the movie is correct. And showing that Lyndon Johnson was the majority leader for the Democratic Party in the US Senate in nineteen fifty nine forbid of context in case. You're not familiar with what that means. Basically there are two key political parties in the US government Republicans and Democrats there are one hundred seats in the Senate to each state in the US. So when one of those two political parties has fifty one or more seats that party has the majority the party's then choose who will be the majority leader and minority leader, respectively as of this recording the Republican party has the majority in the US Senate. So a Republican is the majority leader while a democrat is the minority leader in nineteen fifty nine the Democratic Party had the majority in the Senate and the democrat from Texas Lyndon Johnson was. Elected to be the majority leader while he wasn't elected in nineteen fifty nine. He was actually elected position in nineteen fifty five, but he held that position until nineteen sixty one. So the movies timeline showing him holding that position in nineteen Fifty-nine would be correct, man. Speaking of the movies time-line heading back there. Now, the next bid of taxed we see says that were on the Johnson ranch in Texas. It's still nineteen fifty nine Linden is hunting with Bobby Kennedy. Bobby is played by Michael stall, David in the movie as their hunting, Bobby asked Clinton, if he'd consider supporting his brother for president Lyndon says, of course, he'll support whomever is nominated. Even if that's you Bobby asks a bit indignantly. Linden turns to him in clarifies. I have no intention of running for president. After this movie cuts to a scene where we see Johnson for president poster hanging up, even though we see Woody Harrelson version of Lyndon get upset on the phone with someone for making the poster despite has not having announced the implication is clear, then after Linden storms out of the room. We over here. A couple of men who are wondering why he's so hesitant to announce he's running for president is he afraid that people won't vote for him. One asks the other lady bird happens to hear the conversation as she walked by. And she response to the question. He's afraid that people won't love him this specifics for these scenes are made up for the movie, of course. But the overall concept that Lyndon Johnson was hesitant to announce his candidacy for president is true. It's even true that Bobby Kennedy visited Lyndon Johnson on his ranch to find out if he was going to be running for president Bobby was the campaign manager for his brother, John, but Linda wasn't interested in running quite yet. There were others who urged him to run probably the most notable of these was a main we see in. The movie Jim row. He's played by Bryan bat in the movie. With the nineteen sixty presidential election around the corner. The people in the Democratic Party were trying to find out who the best nominees would be in the beginning of nineteen fifty nine. There were six men who were front runners that would be Stewart Simonson Averell Harriman add lie. Stevenson, Hubert, Humphrey, Lyndon Johnson and John Kennedy. Unlike some of the others and against Jim rose insistence Linden remained resolute, he wasn't interested in trying to push for the nomination. However, it's not because he wasn't interested in becoming president. It's because he didn't think he could win the nomination another factor for his denying the nomination was that kept people from trying to undermine his leadership. Remember, he was the majority leader as soon as he announced he was running. He would have a new onslaught of political opponents that he didn't have before. So rather than try and fail. He believed. His best political move was to be paid. Tient back in the movie. It's July eleventh nineteen sixty text onscreen tells us were at the Biltmore hotel. We can see from signs around the room that there's a debate going on Lyndon Johnson has decided to announce he's alongside the other potential candidates. Is this a debate? We don't really see much of what's going on. But later, we do see Lyndon lady bird watching the results on TV. If you pause the movie on screen, you'll see the results first ballot seven hundred sixty one to nominate Johnson for five. Kennedy seven fifty on a second line. We see the others Stevenson nine and a half Symington eighty six as Lyndon and lady bird watching the screen updates Johnson. Four or five Kennedy seven sixty five Kennedy has won the nomination this event. The movie is showing actually wasn't a debate or anything. It was the nineteen sixty democratic national. Mention it was held at the Los Angeles memorial sports arena and lasted from July eleventh to July fifteenth. It was like the movie shows at the Biltmore hotel where the politicians in their team's set up temporary offices for the convention and the end result. We saw from the convention in the movie was correct. Even though this final numbers weren't actually the final numbers or even all of the numbers in all. There were twelve candidates who received votes to be the next democratic candidate for president as you can probably guess John F Kennedy won the ballot with a total of eight hundred and six votes Lyndon. Johnson came in second with four hundred nine after him was Stuart Symington with eighty six votes. At Stevenson with seventy nine point five Robert manner with forty three Hubert Humphrey with forty one George Smithers with thirty Ross Burnett with twenty three Herschel loveless with two and last, but not least Pat Brown Orval fobus and Albert Rosellini each had one vote. Going back to the movie Lyndon and lady bird are sleeping when the phone rings ladybird answers it but immediately wakes up Linden. It's John Kennedy. She says nudging him awake. The scene cuts to Kennedy's campaign office, Bobby Kennedy is there with a bunch of other men as they're busy planning for JFK's campaign. One of bobby's aids is on the phone putting his hand over the mouthpiece. He tells Bobby the media's already calling to find out who his brother is going to choose as VP candidate the camera cuts again, and we're back in the Johnsons room after getting hastily dressed J of K arrives at their room. There's some initial small talk between JFK and LBJ then Jeffrey Donovan's version of Kennedy says do you mind if I ask you a question Linden before hearing an answer the camera cuts again back to Kennedy's campaign office. Another aid comes up to Bobby. You won't believe what your brother is a little while later. We don't know how much. Time has passed. Bobby stops by Johnson's room to try to convince Lyndon that he should not accept. Doesn't make Linden very happy. But when pressed Bobby admits has brother did not ask him to decline. He's there on his own. This is probably true. By that. What I mean is that there are some conflicting reports about what exactly happened remember along. This was behind closed doors, and not the type of thing that gets documented there are some reports that Bobby Kennedy went to Johnson's room to try to get him to turn down his brother's offer of the VP nomination. But there's been others who have disputed that. What we do know though, is that on July thirteenth nineteen sixty John F. Kennedy won the democratic nomination for presidency. The next morning at about ten fifteen AM Kennedy paid a visit to Linden Johnson's room and offered him the VP nomination on his ticket. This was done against his brother, bobby's advice and against the advice of a lot of other party leaders. According to a lot of political historians the reason for JFK asking LBJ to join his presidential campaign had a lot to do with LBJ's influence in the southern states with JFK from Massachusetts and LBJ being from Texas. They thought that it could be a winning. A ticket for the presidency. And as we know from history, they were right, but just barely. There were sixty six million eight hundred thirty two thousand eight hundred and eighteen votes cast in the nineteen sixty presidential election. John F Kennedy and Lyndon B Johnson won that election by total of one hundred and twelve thousand eight hundred twenty seven votes and eighty four electoral vote, it was one of the closest US presidential races in history. Heading back to the movie, there's a brief moment where we see the now vice president Johnson talking with a couple of staffers. There's two of them sitting at a table and vice president Johnson is sitting well he's sitting on a toilet in the Jason room. The door is wide open as they're talking about strategy. This particular scene may have been made up. But it's something that certainly could have happened. Most stories agree that Lyndon B Johnson was the most vulgar of all presidents not to get too far ahead of the movie. Line. But when Johnson was president there's one story of it. U N official named Arthur Goldschmidt who was meeting with president Johnson in the Oval Office. All of a sudden Johnson went to the washroom proceeded to go number to shave and shower the entire time still talking to Goldschmidt as if it were normal. Or there's another story of a reporter who is touring LBJ's ranch in Texas one time they were outside talking when all of a sudden Linden just started urinating in front of the reporter. But surprising people by relieving himself in front of them. Wasn't the only thing that he did according to people close to him Johnson invaded the personal space of whomever. He was talking to unfortunately that included women. And even though there's never been any official reports of harassment that doesn't mean it didn't happen. In fact, there are many who claimed it did Washington Post editor Ben bradlee put it into words once he explained what it was like to have a conversation with Johnson by saying, quote, you really felt as if a Saint Bernard had licked your face for an hour had pawed you all over and quote. And of course, there was the language to put it mildly Lyndon Johnson had the mouth of a sailor. Back in the movie, one of the guys we see what he Harrelson's version of vice president Johnson Goto with is Richard Jenkins version of Senator Richard Russell it starts when LBJ mentions to Senator Russell Kennedy has a new transport airplane. He wants to get made LBJ offers to help make sure that the Lockheed plant in Atlanta, Georgia can get the contract. That'd be about a billion dollars for Russell's homestate something that he likes but LBJ insists that Russia has to ensure the plant make some changes you see it's a racially segregated plant. Can't have that while working on a project for president Kennedy who was pushing for civil rights Senator Russell is not happy about that. Well, that is true. I couldn't find anything in my research to tie Russell directly to the Lockheed plant plan in truth. What happened was that? In nineteen sixty one Johnson was trying to find a way to start breaking into the racism that flourished in the south. There wasn't attorney in Atlanta named Robert Trautmann who had been getting tons of complaints from the end AA C P about a Lockheed plant in Marietta, Georgia. It was the perfect opportunity to get started. Or was it for their part, the Lockheed corporation was more than happy to find a way to fix the issue. It wasn't really because they were embracing civil rights, but mostly because the complaints from the end of Lacey pe- were putting their contracts with the federal government at risk. Basically. It risked hurting their bottom line before long Lockheed had removed. They're white and colored signs and promised that they were starting to hire more black, folks. As for Senator Richard Russell, even though it couldn't find any connection to him in the Lockheed contract. Like, the movie implies the movie is still correct? And showing that he heavily favored segregation. In fact, Russell teamed up with Senator Strom Thurmond to write the declaration of constitutional principles in nineteen fifty six more informally known as the southern manifesto. The basic gist of the document is a statement in opposition of racial integration in public places. It was written as a direct reply to the supreme court's ruling in nineteen fifty four that segregation in public schools was unconstitutional. There were nineteen senators and eighty two representatives who showed their support for the southern manifesto by signing it, in fact, a majority of southern states in the US had their lawmakers sign it there were three southern senators who did not sign it though. Al Gore senior from Tennessee s ca favor also from Tennessee and Lyndon Baines Johnson from Texas. Oh, and yes, Al Gore senior was the father of Al Gore, the forty fifth vice president of the United States back in the movie, we cut back to the motorcade in Dallas that fateful day in nineteen sixty three. There had been a few cuts back up until now. But this time the text onscreen let us know that the motorcade is entering Dealey plaza. Vice president Johnson is in a car behind president Kennedy's when the shots are fired a secret serviceman yells get down and shows LBJ down as the car starts to speed off in the hospital LBJ is ushered into a room. While the doctors are trying to save president Kennedy a man enters with the news Senator Connolly and the president had been shot kindly isn't as bad, but the president it's bad after a few more moments. Another man enters the president. He he's gone. Then one of the secret servicemen says it Mr President. Lyndon Johnson looks up. He is now president Johnson. As I'm sure you probably already know that happened on November twenty second nineteen sixty three at twelve thirty pm president John F Kennedy was shot. Senator John Connolly seat was in the same car right in front of Kennedy. He was also shot with one of the bullets that hit Kennedy continuing on and striking Connolly in the back just under his right armpit. The motorcade rushed off to nearby parkland Memorial Hospital once their doctors tried to save president Kennedy's life. But it was too late. Technically, vice president Johnson became president Johnson as soon as Kennedy died, but according to the movie Lyndon Johnson, not only refuses to go back to Washington DC without Jackie Kennedy. But he also calls up, Bobby Kennedy. There's a bit of sneaking going on here in the movie because we see Lyndon Johnson. Ask someone to take notes during his call. But she can only hear one side of the conversation. So when he's on the phone with Bobby he manages to get the conversation to a. A point where it sounds like Bobby is insisting that Linden gets sworn in there in Dallas. But hearing both sides of the conversation in the movie as viewers we can tell Bobby wanted JFK to return to Washington DC in Air Force One as the president as a final act of courtesy for the man. That phone call actually happened. Although it's something we don't really know, exactly. What was said because Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Kennedy were the only ones who heard both sides of it that took place at one fifty six PM in Dallas or two fifty six PM in Washington DC. Although that's not where Bobby was he was in hickory hill New York having lunch with his wife Ethel and meeting with US attorney there, but the time zone between New York and Washington DC is the same. About thirty minutes earlier at two twenty five pm New York time, Bobby had gotten another call that call was from J. Edgar Hoover confirming that president Kennedy. His brother had been killed. According to a great book by Pulitzer prize winning author Robert Caro, the recollections of those witnessing either side of the conversation portray a picture much like what we saw in the movie by that what I'm referring to is that Lyndon Johnson seemed to know what he wanted to get out of the conversation while Bobby Kennedy was so overcome with the shock and grief on the news that he'd heard less than an hour earlier, then he couldn't even hardly comprehend the world around him. But according to those recollections things seem to happen. Like, the movie shows Bobby didn't know what the rush was to have the swearing in happened in Dallas. He thought it would be nice if JFK's body could fly back to Washington DC as president Kennedy. Johnson apparently disagreed because as we now know president Johnson was sworn in on Air Force One in Dallas. According to judge Sarah Hughes, which the movie is right was the woman who swore Johnson into office. She recalled Johnson mentioned MRs Kennedy wanted to be present for this wearing in. When one of the aides went to get her. She said she felt she ought to be there for historical purposes. And so we have that famous photograph by White House photographer ceaseless Stauton alongside Johnson was ladybird Johnson on one side and Jackie Kennedy on the other. She refused change beforehand insisting that she still wear the bloodstained clothes that she had been wearing when her husband was killed. As soon as the oath was finished, president Johnson ordered the plane take off and head back to Washington DC. Going back to the movie and back in Washington. We see Senator Richard Russell with a whole group of other. Congressman Senator Russell is all smiles and says something to the effect of out of a despicable act of assassination. A new leader has emerged. He goes on to say that after one hundred years of being treated as inferior. Finally, we have one of our own as a leader America has a southern president. That's well, not really true, for example. Dwight D Eisenhower was the thirty fourth president. He was the president just before JFK. An Eisenhower was also from Texas just like LBJ was. But I suppose if you don't count Ike, then there was a long line of presidents who were primarily from northern states as for whether or not Senator Russell was at the White House soon after LBJ's arrival from Dallas on November twenty second. I couldn't find anything to suggest that he was. Although there was a group of congressmen who met with Johnson at the White House that afternoon. So it's possible that Russell was among them. However, I doubt it was anything orchestrated by Russell like the movie implies the purpose of that meeting. As far as I could tell from my research was to try to get support from both sides of congress. No matter the party LBJ wanted to try and convince everyone that there wasn't going to be a chair. Change in America's foreign policies after the assassination to do that. He felt the entire government needed to put on a unified front. Oh, and you know that phrase that LBJ keeps saying to staff members around the White House in the movie, it's different sometimes. But it's always something. Like, thank you for your service to president Kennedy out need you now more than he ever did. A lot of staffers have recalled LBJ saying that to them or some variation there of soon after the assassination. So it would seem that that was the go-to line for Johnson is he was trying to get everyone to work together. Back in the movie the next morning after the assassination we see LBJ walking into the Oval Office. He says he has a meeting at nine thirty A M, but the staff is still cleaning out Kennedy's things. Then Bobby Kennedy arrives. That didn't take you long. Bobby says the president Johnson as he enters the Oval Office. I was told to use this room. Johnson explains. Just like you were told to take the oath in Dallas, Bobby retorts. The movie does a pretty good job of showcasing really the basic gist of what happened when LBJ woke up on Saturday, November twenty third nineteen sixty three. He was under the impression that he should be working on the Oval Office the day before he'd been working out of an office across the street from the White House that evening he'd been told that he would be working out of the Oval Office the next day, but between Friday night and Saturday morning, the national security adviser decided that it wasn't a good idea yet because they hadn't gotten everything packed up. So at about eight o'clock AM, he left a note at the executive office building with instructions for Johnson to work out of a different office. But that the Oval Office would be ready for Monday. President Johnson never got that note because he never went to the executive office building. He went straight to the west wing with the intention that he would be working out of the Oval Office. So the movie is correct. And showing that when LBJ showed up at the White House that morning he was expecting to work out of the Oval Office. Bobby Kennedy showed up that. Morning too and wasn't too happy that I'll be Jay was moving into the Oval Office. So quickly while his brothers possessions will still there just like the movie shows LBJ told Barry that he was told to work there, and he had been. Even though miss communications like that are completely understandable, especially when you consider how much chaos they had to be after the assassination the wounds were too fresh and considering that Bobby and LBJ didn't really like each other too much before this little miscommunication didn't help their friendship. Back in the movie, we see president Johnson have what seems to be a change of heart. This gets vocalise in the film when the president walks into where some of his staff are talking about policies in particular, the Civil Rights Act that Kennedy had proposed is the hot topic Johnson walks in and tells them that he wants to support the civil rights Bill the entire thing. He continues to tell the story of his personal cook a block woman named MRs. Right. According to the movie after the assassination. Mrs right was driving back to Washington DC since she would be passing by LBJ's ranch in Texas. Anyway, he asked if she would stop to get his dog. Beagle. Johnson and bring him to DC. Woody Harrelson version of president Johnson continues saying that mrS right? Respectfully declined his request. She explained that it was tough enough for a black woman to drive through the south by herself. Let alone taking care of a dog. He continues saying that she could. Find a place to sleep to eat or even to use the restroom she had to squat by the side of the road that story, unfortunately is true. And it's also true that LBJ found the story to be appalling. Although in truth, the story was that zephyr, right? The president chef wasn't coming back to DC. She was actually driving to Texas. I couldn't find out. The exact reason why she was going, but it's probably to get some things as the new president was going to be moving to Washington DC ladybird had axed zephyr to take their dog back to the ranch when she drove down and just like the movie shows, zephyr, respectfully declined it's hard enough driving in the south as a black woman. Let alone having to take care of dog. That story brought LBJ to tears in open his eyes to the importance of public accommodations for everyone. This also lit a fire under him to push for the civil rights Bill. And as the movie comes to a close that is exactly what we see happen. President Johnson addresses the house of representatives in an address that as the movie describes it is both a farewell to president Kennedy. But also a proper introduction to president Johnson. The speech in the movie isn't the entire thing. Of course. But it sort of bounces around a bit. And it's still pretty close to the overall gist of the real speech. In fact, I think this might be a good time to hear that real speech. This is what's come to be known as the lead us continue speech by president Lyndon. Baines Johnson delivered to a joint session of congress on November twenty seventh nineteen sixty three. Baker. President. Members of the house. Members of the Senate. My fellow Americans. Oh, I have. I would have given glasses. Not to be standing here that. The greatest leader of our time. Has been struck down. Neither the polish deed of our. Today. John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Lives on in the immortal words and works that he left behind. He lives on in the mind and memories of mankind. He lives on in the heart of his country. No words are sand in. To express our sensible. No words are strong enough. To express Arte termination. To continue the far would trust of America that he began. The green of conquering the vast -ness of space the dream of partnership across the Atlantic and across the Pacific as well. The dream of the peace corps in less developed nations. The green of education for all of our children. The bringing of jobs for all who seek and neat. The dream of care for elderly. The green of an all out attack on mental illness. And above all. The green of equal rights for all Americans. Whatever their race. These and other than dreams have been buydell. I his drive and by his education. And now the ideas and the ideal. Which he so nobly represented? Must and with they translated into effective action. Under John Kennedy's leadership. This nation has demonstrated that it has the courage to seek peace. And it has the fortitude risk war. We have pulled that we are a good and reliable friend to those who seek peace and freedom. We have shown that we can also be a honorable fol. To those who reject the path of peace. And those who seek to impose opponents are ally. The yoke of terror. This nation will keep its commitments. From South Vietnam to westward land. We will be unceasing and the search for peace. Resourceful in our pursuit of areas of agreement even with those with whom we. And generous and loyal. Those who join with us in common coal. In this age when their Kennedy, no losers in peace, and no, vectors and war. We must recognize. The obligation. To match knife. Frank. With a knife restraint. We must be prepared. One in the same time for both the confrontation of power. And the limitation of power. We must be ready to defend the national. And to negotiate the communists. This is the path that we shall continue to pursue. No who test star, courage. Will find it strong? And those who seek our friendship. Well, find it. Honorable. We will demonstrate anew. That's the strong can be just. In the use of strength, and the just can these strong in the defense of just. And let all know. We will extend no special privilege. And impose no persecution. We will carry on the fight against poverty, and and disease and ignorance in other lands, and you know. We will serve all the nation. Not one sector are one sector are one group. But all murder. These are the United States a United people with United perks. Our American unity does not depend on union. We have the. But now in the past we can derive from those differences strength. Not we. William. Not this fair. Both as people and government, we can unite upon a program a program, which is why and just in lightened. And construct. For thirty who year? Capitol Hill has been my home. I have shared many moments of pride with you. Pride in the ability of the congress of the United States to act. To me any prices. To the still from our differences strong programs of national act. And Cecil book. Has thrust upon. The awesome burden on the president's. I'm here today to say, I need your help. I cannot bear this burden alone. I need help. All americans. You know? This nation has experienced a profound shock, and in this critical moment, it is our duty yours and mine. As the government of the United States to do away with uncertainty and doubt and delayed and to show that we are capable of decisive action. From the do loss of our leader. We will arrive not weakness but string. That we can. And we'll. And now. From this chamber Representative government, let all the world. No. And none misunderstand. That I read that Kate this government to the unswerving support of the United Nations. Who the honorable? And the Termine execution of our commitments to our Allah. To the maintenance of military strength. Second to none. To the fence of the spring and stability of the dollar. Who the expansion of our foreign prayed? The reinforcement of our programs of mutual assistance and cooperation in Asia and Africa. And to our alliance for progress in this speech. On the twentieth. Day of January in nineteen sixty one. John F Kennedy told his countrymen that our national work would not be finished in the first thousand days in the life of this administration. Nor even perhaps in our lifetime on this plant. But he said let us again. Today in this moment of new resolve. I would say to all my fellow Americans. Let us continue. This are. Not too has. Not to pull not turnabout lender over this evil moment. But to continue on our course, so that we made full fill the destiny that history has carved. Our most the media pass. Are here on this hill. I. No memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor president Kennedy's memory. Then the earliest possible passage of the civil rights Bill what he? We have talked long enough in this country about equal rights. We have talked for hundred years or more. Time now. To write the next. And right in the books of loan. I urge you again. As idea in nineteen fifty so. And the gain and nineteen sixty. To not a civil rights law. So that we can move forward to eliminate from this nation every price of discrimination and oppression. That is based upon race are color. There could be no greater source of spring to this nation, both at home and the role. Second. No, active hours could more fittingly continue the work of president Kennedy. Then the early passage of the tax Bill for which he fought all this long year. This is a Bill designed to increase our national income and federal revenue Andrew provide insurance against recession. That Bill if passed without delay. Means more security for those now our? More jobs for those now without. And more incentive. For our economy. In short. This is no time for the lane. It is a time for action. Bar would looking at on the ending education. Bill to help bring the light of learning to every home and hamlet in America. Strong followed looking action. New employment opportunities strong forward-looking action on the pending foreign aid Bill making clear that we are not auditing our responsibilities to this. Emerson there are to the world NAR. Erasing executive ability in the conduct of our par- fire. Fire. And strong prompt forward-looking action on the remaining appropriations Bill. This new spirit of the congress can expect we full cooperation and support of the executive. And in particular. I quit. That the expenditure of your government will be administered, the utmost thrift, and brutality. I will insist the government get a dollar value far a dollar spent. The government will set an. Prudence and Connie. Does not mean that we will not meet our field needs all that. We will not honor our. We will do. As one who has long served in both houses of the congress. I firmly believe. In the independence and the integrity of the legislative branch. And I promise you. That I show all always respect. The in my Roth. Of my. With equal firmness. I believe in the capacity, and I believe in the ability of the congress despite the divisions of opinions which characterize our nation to act. To act wisely to act vigorously to act speedily when the need arises. The need is here. The need is now. I have your health. We meet in grief. But let us also meet, and renewed, dedication and renewed. Let us meet in action in Taal. And in neutral understand. John candidates. Their commands what his life conveyed. That must move forward. The time has come. More Americans of all races and creeds and political beliefs to understand and to respect one another. So let us put an end to the teaching and the pinching of and evil and bile. Turn away from the fanatics. The far left the far, right? From the potholes of bitterness and bigotry. From those the of all those who. Pour venom into our nation's bloods for. I found hope. That's the tragedy and the tongs of these terrible as. Will bind us together in new fellowship? Making us one people. Our our of Sean. So let us here. Highly resolve. John fitzgerald. Kennedy did not live are. On this thanksgiving. As we gather together. The large. And give him our, thanks. Let us unite. Those familiar and Sherry word. America. America. God shed his grace on the. And crown by good. With brotherhood. See to see. The movie comes to close by giving us some final bits of text. So let's fact check those it starts by saying on July. Second nineteen sixty four president Johnson realized president Kennedy's dream and signed the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four into law. That is true. It might not have happened as fast as president Johnson wanted it to. But the Bill was passed. In fact, there's a photo up there. President Johnson signing the Bill that day behind him. Martin Luther King junior watch on. As a fun. Little fact, the only time Martin Luther King junior and Malcolm X mex- in person happened on March twenty six nineteen sixty four when there are both in the US capitol hearing the Civil Rights Act being debated by the Senate. It was a brief meeting lasting less than one minute. The next bit of taxed in the movie says that unav- third nineteen sixty four Johnson defeated Senator Barry Goldwater there is on for the presidency. Unlike the ticket with JFK as president with LBJ is vice president LBJ won his election by winning forty four of the fifty states and receiving sixty one point six of the popular vote making it the largest victory since eighteen twenty. That is true that eighteen twenty election was James Monroe. It was the second term for president Monroe and for the most part he didn't have anyone running against him in that election. The only other person to receive in Torah vote was the secretary of State John Quincy Adams, a man who would end up becoming the president after Monroe second term ended in eighteen twenty five as for the election in nineteen sixty four president Johnson and his running mate, Hubert Humphrey received four hundred eighty six electoral votes, while Senator Barry Goldwater and his running mate William Miller only received fifty two just like the movie says LBJ one forty four of the fifty states and had a sixty one point one percent of the popular vote for. Of comparison between the nineteen sixty and nineteen sixty four elections JFK won the election in nineteen sixty with thirty four million two hundred twenty nine hundred eighty four votes. That's forty-nine point seventy two percent of the popular vote. The Republican candidate who lost that year was Richard Nixon who had thirty four million one hundred eight thousand one hundred and fifty seven votes as we learned earlier that's difference of only one hundred twelve thousand eight hundred twenty seven votes in the nineteen sixty four election LBJ, one with forty three million one hundred twenty seven thousand forty one votes for sixty one point one percent. His opponent had twenty seven million one hundred and seventy five thousand seven hundred fifty four votes for thirty eight point five percent. That's a difference of fifteen million nine hundred fifty one thousand two hundred eighty seven votes quite a bit more than the previous election. The next bit of taxed explains that in his next term Johnson passed the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five an established programs like Medicare, Medicaid and had start. That's all true to while. The Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four was a landmark law the Voting Rights Act nineteen sixty five built on that by prohibiting racial discrimination in the voting process as for Medicare Medicaid head start. Those were all part of what historians refer to as Johnson's quote war on poverty, and quote, it also included things like food stamps and federally funded programs for secondary education called work study. The Medicare Bill was passed in nineteen sixty five Johnson was also responsible for creating new transportation department, which included the coastguard and the FAA among other departments. That was also in nineteen sixty five in nineteen sixty eight president Johnson signed the gun control act of nineteen sixty eight. This was in response to the assassination of Robert Kennedy. Bobby that happened in June of nineteen sixty eight but also because of the assassination of JFK and Martin Luther King junior. The latter of which also happened in nineteen sixty eight. The last bits of taxed in the movie. Explain that toward the end of his term president Johnson's started to get backlash because of his escalation of the war in Vietnam. American deaths were rising an antiwar protests intensified. Then according to movie on March thirty first nineteen sixty eight president Johnson declared on TV that he would not seek nor accept the nomination of the party for another term as president. The final text onscreen says that Johnson was the last sitting president to choose not to run for reelection. That is all true. The Vietnam war began in nineteen fifty five. President Eisenhower was still in office. When president Kennedy was elected, he escalated things by sending more American troops to the war-torn region. By the time, president Kennedy was assassinated, they were about sixteen thousand troops in Vietnam. He had planned to remove about a thousand of those by the end of nineteen sixty three when Johnson took office. He reversed that order instead by the end of nineteen sixty four there were about twenty three thousand American troops in that year alone US casualties tallied up to one thousand two hundred seventy eight by June of nineteen sixty five there were over eighty two thousand American troops in Vietnam. Things only kept increasing and there were over two hundred thousand American troops deployed the Vietnam by the end of nineteen sixty five things didn't get better in nineteen sixty six that you're saw over four hundred thousand US troops in Vietnam. All the while antiwar protests were growing people weren't happy with how president Johnson was handling the war by throwing more and more American lives at it. By the summer of nineteen sixty seven tallies estimated that about seventy thousand Americans had died in Vietnam still Johnson was sending more troops. And with a big boost of about fifty thousand the total was brought to around five hundred and twenty five thousand troops by the end of nineteen sixty seven antiwar protests were growing to an all time high including over one hundred thousand people marching outside the Pentagon Tober of that year. And so just like the movie shows on March thirty first nineteen sixty eight president Johnson addressed the nation during that speech, which was all about the steps he was prepared to take to halt the war. He announced an immediate halt to the bombing North Vietnam. Then at the end of the forty minute speech. He said this. I have concluded that I should not permit the presidency to become involved in partisan divisions. That are developing in this political year. With America's sons and the field far away. America's future under challenge right here at home. With our hopes and the world's hope for peace in the balance every day. I do not believe. That I should devote an hour. Our day of my time. To any personal partisan causes. Are to any duties other? And they awesome duties of this office the presidency. Of your country accordingly. I shall not see. And I will not accept. The nomination of my party for another term as your president. But let men everywhere. No, however. That is strong and they confident. And they vigilant America. Stand ready tonight to seek an honorable peace. And stands ready tonight to the fan honored call whatever the price, whatever the burden whatever the sector. That UD may require. Thank you for listening. Good night. And God bless all. this episode of based on a true story was written and produced by me, Dan, fab, there's a lot more to the story of president Johnson. We never got to talk about some of the more controversial things that he did like his own affairs or his approval of the F B I bugging of Martin Luther King junior commenting on his extramarital affairs. If you want to dig deeper into the true stories behind president Johnson. There are two great books that would recommend starting with the first is called Lyndon B Johnson portrait of a president by Robert Dolly, the other is actually a multi volume and super detailed book by Pulitzer prize winning author Robert Caro that series is called the years of Lyndon Johnson. They're all great. But if you wanna get a good insight into the events that we see in the movies time-line, get the fourth volume the passage of power. As always I've got links to both of those books as well as plenty more resources to start your own deep dive into the presidency of LBJ over based on a true story, podcast dot com. Okay. Now, it's time for the answer to our troops and allied game. From the beginning of the episode as a refresher here are the two truth and one line number one LBJ was on board Air Force One while JFK was assassinated number two, president Johnson called Bobby Kennedy soon after JFK was assassinated. Number three LBJ did not seek reelection for a second term. Did you find out which one is ally? As we learned president Johnson did call Bobby Kennedy about being sworn in as president soon after his brother was assassinated. So number two is true. We also learned that in March of nineteen sixty eight president Johnson announced that he had no intention of seeking reelection. So number three is true. That means the lie is number one. As we also learned then vice president Johnson was in the motorcade when JFK was assassinated on November twenty second nineteen sixty three. In fact, if you want to get into some of the conspiracy side of that there are some who say that LBJ started ducking from the bullets before they were even fired indicating that he might have known something head of time or others dispute that. But that brings us to an end of this episode if you're based on a true story producer. I look forward to chatting with you again next Monday, when we'll look at some of the true story that we saw in the count of Monte Cristo. Don't forget you can find all the links for this episode or request a future episode over at based on a true story podcast dot com. And if you wanna get in touch with me, you can find me on Twitter where I'm at down the Feb D N L E V or you can shoot me an Email at Dan at based on a true story podcast dot com. If I don't hear from you before then I hope to chat with you again next Monday over on the producers feet until then thanks so much for listening chat with you again, really soon.
13: Bonus 02: The Crackdown
"For decades. The American mafia ruled, the criminal underworld of United States and beyond organized crime was an all American business owned and operated by powerful families, outfits and figureheads with their own rules and their own laws. They were untouchable and nearly invincible. The mafia was so well established in so knit into the fabric of urban societies that no law enforcement agency was able to make a crack in their criminal activities, their influence even reached into the heights of society. They paid off judges police officers, politicians and controlled entire industries. It was very frustrating, but you know, there was always tainted. Officers were willing to accept monies from the mall. A way of supplementing their income may curbs out on strip. They got jackets, go bracelets necklaces, and rings and things like that. To look the other way, not look at all for decades, law enforcement, lack the resources skills, tools or the will to go after the mom. But there were some young hotheads him along and decided to take a stand. They drafted new laws, targeted influential mobsters used new technology together, intelligence and found trusted informants. Some even infiltrated families, deep undercover. Joseph stone was an FBI agent twenty seven years and using the name Donnie Brasco. I was able to infiltrate the been on, oh, five family in New York City. And finally, the long arm of the law could reach the American mafia. This is mafia the crackdown. As the director of the FBI j. Edgar Hoover fought crime for nearly fifty years, but through the nineteen thirties and nineteen forties. He vehemently denied that there was any organized crime in America. Former NYPD detective, Joe coffee. They had the hand in the name because nobody would look at the nobody would even consider investigating them. Not the least of which was Dagoba. He refused to admit that was off it. The only law enforcement agency in this country. It was investigating the mom in the fifties and sixties. Early sixties was the Manhattan District attorney's office. They were the only ones who really expose what organized crime we're showing, but we're getting nowhere because the feds wouldn't back them up. The feds ignored organized crime, former mafia investigator. Ronald gold stock the FBI in Hoover in particular tended to deny the existence of the mob and that was for different reasons. No one really knows the answer. But one possibility is he recognized the corruption potential. That the mob had when they engaged in vice activities, things that the public wanted on terms of goods and services Hoover's denial of the mafia only fit to serve them and for several decades they could get away with nearly anything on November fourteenth in nineteen fifty seven, a summit was called an Appalachian New York. The top crime bosses from around the United States. All of a sudden were gathered in one place, crime author, Thomas Repetto, all we know that a bunch of gangsters top gangsters from the United States and elsewhere suddenly appeared in Appalachian New York in in a very remote part of the state of New York, and you can no longer deny that there was some kind of national syndicate. Why was the guy do miles away? Wandry alzon. Same thing. We went to see the Joe who was the local guy because we heard he was sick. Note of the local and state law enforcement couldn't ignore the very public gathering and they broke the meeting up, but the FBI and Hoover were stubborn. But basically the FBI did did very little Ronald Goldstock the on the federal level, the only agency that was interested in all in organized crime tended to be. Bureau of narcotics, and that's because there was an alliance between Sicilian mafia and American cozinne, oh straightened dealing drugs. At that time, the failure of the raid only proved that the f. b. i. could not be trusted yet with taking down the mom. And so the early successes, the law enforcement had where mostly things, two determined individuals who took it upon themselves to go after some of the country's biggest mobsters in the nineteen thirties and forties. New York prosecutor and district attorney. Thomas Dewey was relentless in his pursuit of the mufti out this earned him, the nickname gang BUSTER. He targeted organized crime like no one had done before him and went after the big players. Like Dutch Schultz and looking Luchino prime author Nate 'n Lee. Thomas Dewey is almost the exact opposite of Dutch Schultz, other than the fact that they were born in the same year. They have almost nothing in common. These almost a stereotypical straight arrow. You know, great student at school. You know, great marks becomes a prosecutor, you know, he's got a passion for the law, passion against crime, and he's very serious and he's very incorruptible. So he really sort of does not like gangsters all in one of their most ferocious enemies. He has mustache, you know, he's very clean cut looking, and he carries himself with certain dignity, and he is, is I said, absolutely incorruptible and very, very serious about putting these guys behind bars. One of the distinguishing factors that he can't be bribed. He has visceral dislike of organized crime, and he really sort of sets his sight on getting gangsters like Dutch Scholtz behind bars. He also targetted lucky Luciano at a different point, Dewey rose through the rings when he was appointed special Turney to investigate gambling. Rackets do we, I sit his. Sights on prosecuting Dutch Scholtz who was big in the bootlegging and numbers rackets. He successfully took Schultz to trial twice on tax evasion and made himself a mortal enemy. Well, short is initially delighted to hear this report from Albert anaesthesia saying, well, here's a way we could actually kill Thomas Dewey. He's thinking, great, you know, we can get this guy off. My back Schultz failed to get a contract on doing meanwhile, dealy also targeted mafia leader and head of the mob commission. Lucky Luchino Lucina was convicted on a prostitution racket. Crime, author, Ernest Volkmann began together auditors bookkeepers, experts, investigators, and a task force, and he targeted some of the major gangsters. He changed the conviction of John, which was incredible. I mean, this was the Lord high master criminal. At some somehow he went out with the momentum of prosecuting. Luchino, Dewey went on to break up the poultry racket of gangster Tootsie Herbert and made dozens more raids over his career. Don't even a very ordinary man and a legal mind like machine don't. We was the kind of guy he would sit there and somebody would relate to him a prosecution case. He would listen quietly and repeat it word for word and then turn around and argue with equal. It's the defense case against it. That's goodi was what he did was for the first time begin to organize. Anti-crime and away their crime had been organized. I'm really excited to tell you about the sponsor for today's show. It's a fantastic new novel by New York Times, bestselling author, Andrew gross, get this description button. Man brings to life the birth of organized crime in nineteen thirties, New York City through the story of one family. Now, you know why, I'm excited. You're going to love this book, but man is part historical thriller part family saga. You've got great descriptions of immigrant life in New York's Lower East Side in the twenties and thirties, and the family part is partly based on grosses own family, which is pretty cool. And then he weaves in real history. 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There was no law that could charge them with murder, racketeering extortion, and the like most mafia bosses wouldn't get their hands dirty. They just gave the orders. Therefore they were virtually immune from prosecution prosecutors needed a more effective weapon, a new law to go after them. And the answer was Rico, former NYPD detective, Joe coffee, Rinco the Rico stanchion tonight. The money, congressman early seventies stands for racketeering influence corrupt organization. The weapon that was developed by Ron goal stock and Bob Blakey who wrote actually vote, the statute was put in place for us in oral force them to be able to better control crime and interesting it, and it became magnificent weapon, and it really, really. Caused the downfall of mash crime as we knew stays and it was, we knew it to that Rico was the biggest weapon we ever got and we got it from Tonga, thanks to goals stock and Blake former mafia investigator. Ronald Goldstock helped draft the Rico laws which came into effect in nineteen seventy. He put into context how the tools of investigation and prosecution changed and became more effective over time. And I think to understand what was happening with organized crime and law enforcement at the time in to look at both law enforcement and and the mob, the mob began in the thirties as you move on from the thirties, to the forties to the fifties, the sixties there, a generational changes. And they've the people that Ben joined the mob view came in with the values of their contemporaries, and they were more concerned about what they were going to get rather than what was happening within the mop. Law enforcement on the other hand for longtime denied its existence by the nineteen fifties. The FBI got interested, and that meant not in terms of prosecution, but in terms of finding out what was going on what they hit missed all the time. And so they began a program of wiretapping and trying to determine who occupied various positions and how the organization was structured. Bobby Kennedy comes in nineteen sixty the Attorney General John Kennedy and reinvigorates the organized crime and racketeering section Fulmer NYPD detective, Joe coffee. When Robert Kennedy became the attorney general. He's the one who put the fire on the DSP FBI investigating. Robert Kennedy brother of John f. Kennedy had been appointed as the US attorney general in nineteen sixty one and double down on pursuing organized crime earlier in his career. He served as chief counsel during the Teamsters union corruption trials. The trial set to prosecute union Representative Jimmy Hoffa, which led to some standoffs with the mafia journalist, John Siegenthaler, and to see the two of them in Jimmy Hoffa and Robert Kennedy engage in that those three sessions before that committee. FIDA it was drama. It was gripping and and and it was a struggle came away with it with clean on. Then Hoffa and the union were linked to organize pawn in the mall. Bobby Kennedy came in knowing that killer crime problem that on the federal every do something about he brings in some of the best and brightest prosecutors at that point, including g Robert blankie. Blakey now sees what is lacking in federal enforcement. He understands that there aren't the correct tools that the behind the times professor Robert Blakey drafted. The Rico act Rico is three different things. It changes the way you investigate crimes of investigating criminals. You investigate criminal organizations. It's also theory trial instead of trying individuals individually. You try them as part of the group. And therefore the trials larger and it's full. Are the jury hear more evidence? What actually happened. And it's a theory of sanction, which is to say. The kind of sentences that come out of it or incapacitated their forty fifty years e end the property that was used in course, commission the crime or gained in it for the government and the impact of taking out individuals. Basically off the street and seizing the assets involved. Is very parable it. It's changed the rules of the game. The Rico statute, of course was so sophisticated that no one on the started for another ten fifteen years. The Rico statute allowed groups of people to be prosecuted for multiple conspiracies. So it made it under nineteen eighteen USC nineteen sixty to see. Crime to conduct the fares of an enterprise which could be a mob family through a pattern of racketeering activity. Which meant that it was more difficult to prove because you had to prove the existence of the organization. But it allowed you for the first time to prove the existence of the organization. The Rico act was a game changer for law enforcement. If law enforcement could prove any to quote acts of racketeering, it proved a criminal pattern and criminal organization. And these acts included such common mafia activities as bribery extortion, drug dealing and murder will like any of your boss and heels mafia boss. They didn't believe in in going on television in sizing themselves. You know, they tried to keep a low profile and naturally to keep themselves removed through several levels from what happened in the operating level. That's one of the regal law was so destructive of because good now get people who didn't actually go on the trigger. With the Rigo act as a tool Blakey in the rest of the law enforcement agencies focused on figuring out ways to catch them up stors in the act any act by nineteen seventy. He now starts dealing with all of the other legislation that's needed to deal with this crime problem. And so he does thank dangerous special offender sentencing. He does what this protection. He does use immunity, allowing people to testify where only what they say can't be used against them. All of a sudden the FBI with its. Wiretap authority and with its informants. And the Rico statute started moving heavily into this area and along with the new modern laws came new modern equipment and a new breed of highly trained agents. The FBI was now using syrup tissue surveillance techniques to eavesdrop on mobsters conversations together. Incriminating evidence, former FBI special agent, Jim Wagner and expert on Electroncs Valence worked on operation. Pin Dorf. The wire tapping of Allen dorfman's personal phone lines. Wagner explained some of the ins and outs of a major, tapping operation, the process to bug a room. Court to place a microphone in a room, requires the court to provide authority for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency who has the right to do that to serve tissue sleep, enter the premises and to place a microphone where it will not be easily discovered to do a entry to place a microphone, his a time, consuming effort that is not done in one night. It's usually something that takes a lot of preparation, a lot of time planning, and it takes a lot of people so that you're not discovered Hugh will always use other surveillance people to watch the area if you are aware of, let's say. A single location, and you're aware of who has a key to get into that location. You will survey all that person and make sure he doesn't come back to that location while you're there. Because if he leaves to come in in the middle of the night, you have to tell the people to get out of there. That type of monitoring takes a lot of patience. And a lot of people just don't have that kind of patience. Wiretapping journ out to be one of the most effective ways of bringing down even the most untouchable mumbles with these tools along with the Rico act, law enforcement was able to put some of the big names behind bars, San giancana. John Gotti Dutch Schultz, entire families in outfits were taken out of commission. Chicago strikeforce leader, Doug roller. The best evidence you news in court is defendants on words. You cannot undo your words. You might try to explain them away, but if there are enough words there, you're sunk two best. Get those words straight from the horse's mouth. The FBI sometimes relied on an old fashioned method undercover work in the nineteen eighties. The most famous undercover agent, Joe ca- stone took his place in the mob as the gangster Donnie Brasco Joe Pistone fantastic FBI agent real hero and should be seen as a hero by the American public. Someone who actually put his life on hold to really get to the the root of segment of organized crime in the United States and put his life on on the line. Really to stone, spent the better part of a decade rising up among the ranks of the Bonanno family. The operation got countless mafia, so's killed, and eventually lead to the arrest of all five family couples. The case came to a head in what was known as the commission trial, former FBI agent, Pat Cogan. Well, needless to say the convictions of many of the Donald family members, including Joe Messina, was very satisfying to many law enforcement people who were were involved in the investigations, but by no means to law enforcement, think we had a radical it the entire crime problem. That was never the case, but it did have a. Detrimental effect on the organized crime family, the impact it had on on the way the I dealt with the mafia we showed they weren't invincible. And. We brought out and and and showed a lot of the illegal activities that they weren't bombed in that we could charge him with. And and and basically that we can go after and get the upper-echelon versus, you know, versus the guys on the bottom doing all the dirty work. And you know they that and. They, they started to to emphasize using the Rico to get these guys. It took the US several decades to finally crackdown on organized crime in America. There are always going to be new threats and other organized crime groups, but the power and influence the American mafia once held over American society was so unprecedented and it is unlikely to make a comeback, but law enforcement is prepared for what the future might hold today as a result of the FBI wiretapping, the witness protection program and Rico. There aren't no families in the United States outside of the city of New York in New York of that had five families now has it best two and a half, and they're not the significant thing that the worry in corrupting unions and the police. That they were in nineteen sixty three. The sun has not said on the Bob, but it's clearly twilight and a major. Factor in that is legislation passed. In the next bonus episode, the mafia had ruled the underground for a long time, but they never would have gone so far without the help of some very corrupt officials. Frank Stella was the prime minister of New York organized crime back in the nineteen thirties, forties and fifties. Actually, Frank ended up in control of Tammany hall, which was four hundred years. The leading political organization in New York City, how the mafia infiltrated the unions politicians, and even the CIA and what they expected in turn. Tentacles into new business. 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Mark Simone 8-4-19
"And today today's July thirty first and it's a special day <hes> in my life and it's a special day and a few other people's lives I today would have been <hes> Bob more than throws one hundredth birthday and <hes> with us today a longtime friend and board member of of Bob Long. Throw a guy mock simone. How are you mark very good. Can I would have been the birthday party. It was scheduled for tonight and it's so sad we the Western <hes> ten days ago <hes> and <hes> I'm a big believer that <hes> <hes> he was the wrong hospital with the wrong doctors and and and that's my opinion but <hes> we lost them and there's no going back I tell us about <hes> you've been on the board of the Police Athletic League League for over twenty years and and president trump was on that <hes> board to <hes> to talk about the police Athletic League and and all the good things about uh. Mr Morton dog did well. He was very charitable guy very big on <hes> charitable organization. I don't think that the Holocaust be there downtown not for if not for him the P._A._L. He's been the chairman for <hes> almost fifty years and he put together the greatest board from top businessmen at America like you and Hank Greenberg and lots of great people and Donald Trump. We used to have the board meetings right Donald Trump's office. He was very involved in in that and you remember how hard Bob mortgage worked to raise money for the police athletically. He said to me once he said. If you're walking down the street and your best friend sees you if he doesn't cross and work on the other service street not trying hard enough to raise money keep chasing everybody and <hes> we had a big police athletic. Likley gala dinner for him but ten days ago and he he made a speech at the end which he read without glasses at the age of almost a hundred there was an unbelievable night made course you made a great speech set night well you. You were the M._c. that night and he mentioned your name on all the hard work you do for P._A._L. And and <hes> <hes> his voice I it's on your website I think and and is on my website did a speech and his voice voice at the age of ninety nine and eleven months was very very strong incredible like he was always there for history you know as a a young kid and his father's upstate farmers come out on the porch and F._d._r. and Churchill with both be sitting there talking to his father yeah he was one of the few you guys in World War Two. He was great World War Two hero but one of the very few it served in the Atlantic and served in the Pacific was credited distinction J._F._K. Made him the the U._S. Attorney here in New York he was sitting with the Bobby Kennedy at Bobby Kennedy's house in Virginia as they were all alone just the two of them when the call came the J. F. K. had been shot and imagine being alone with Robert Kennedy at that moment <hes> U._S. Attorney District Attorney the light. I think the longest running risk attorney. Everett History Essay was truly a great man <hes>. Let's say that <hes> Mister Dole will not be forgotten he did so so much for the kids of the inner city and <hes> and his other a big thing was <hes> the Jewish Museum Yeah Yeah. He was so proud of that. He worked so hard to get that. Holocaust museum established. It's a one of the most amazing moving powerful things you can see in New York City and if anybody hasn't been to P._A._L. Center Center they are spectacular just state of the art incredible facilities and the most needed neighborhoods. That's all because about morgantown the last fifty years mark Simone thank you for calling in and thank you for always remembering our friend and <hes> you know you have a great talk. Show you a great talk show host on your own sanctioning W. O. R. and and we'll talk to you again real soon all right back.
The Mob and the Teamsters Part 2 Frank Fitzsimmons
"You are listening to gangland wire hosted by former Kansas City police intelligence unit detective, Jerry Jenkins. Welcome worked average out there back with the. Second episode of the. Ongoing. long-term of that teamsters union and their connection to organize cried. Talked last week about you know how the rank and file is always supported off of they loved Hoffa and they felt like any outside interference from that Bobby Kennedy. Especially, he was a rich kid and they're trying to tell them how good their business. Which I can sit with these accent and everything, and then you got off, it's kind of That really street but but more working class they always say. And and Bobby Kennedy he'd been harbored and raised it you know in the virus circumstances surrounded by people that duck different Jimmy offline hit. Real intellectual type and So I. I remember Goggin Teacher Sometime, I'd say in the seventies and. He didn't know exactly what I did that he didn't know intelligence. You dated really anything to him, but I just kind of the teams just again get kind of get a feel for. What these guys thank you know that because it's been in the papers by that about all the different organized grind people and Roy Williams and Kansas City and he and and his reactionary retort was well, I said got down government he said the Federal Government They WanNa break the teamsters union, and so they just go after certain people and mega look bad and you know come up with cases against them and they just WanNa WanNa break on Union they want to hurt us what they want to do. So you know that was prevailing thought of the working guy about any investigation into the Union s really hard to. To overcome that to get people to say these people were bad he no matter what you tell them. You can't really show him exactly how they're bad and you can show that they have these connections but they don't really believe you know they believed that offer within. Control these guys at used them to help them get out the teamsters rank and file get better contracts and and have a better pension and all that they they were pretty well. I'd say snow if might for one of a better term Bhai Jimmy often and his mystique and a certain mystique about off among that rank and file, which really carried onto the subsequent Riley Williamson and Jackie Brazier really they baskin in the kind of reputation of Jimmy Hoffa because he was, they were his guys he appointed him and he was. It was such a strong central figure in this. The number up to nineteen fifty seven. and. After the McClellan areas and Hoffa is. Really make it a run on the presidency Dave back who I can't remember much about him. But he was in the news a lot back then it was kind of. A strong longtime union guy but he just wasn't as charismatic and strong is Hoffa. Best, my memory serves me. Hey can't eight cam. At a start that over again about. Because astronauts dirk recording, dominant, cut out all that other. I'll eat that other than the podcast but for this say cam were again we're up to nineteen fifty seven and the presidency the dangers union Jimmy Hoffa has has been a long term. Active. vice-president and president of his local in really well known, they have a president. Dave Beck has been the president for quite a while always seemed to me I remember the headlines about MCI kind of Guy, but Harper then goes for the international president's position. So tell us a little bit about that. It's like night in one, thousand, nine, hundred, fifty, seven. Yeah. Hoffa believed that the the leadership should should rest with the presidency and the presidency should support the locals. Dave Beck felt. And prior to Hoffa they felt that. was in the locals and that the locals were really wear the negotiating the bargaining power were all all contracts should be reduced should be negotiated at the local level if the locals dealing with this trucking firm that local should have their own contract and Jimmy. Felt that that that things have to be done on the national level in order to really carry weight. So Jimmy wanted. A really really strong presidency and that's how he sort of campaign and that's how he that's why men really really loved him. Because they saw a really strong champion basically, he set up the pension he had really boosted membership. He had the mafia mafia had his back and really at that time if you had the executive board, the vice president's supporting you the vice presidents were totally controlled by the mob. You had bill presser with the Cleveland mob you had. Was was Roy Williams in nineteen fifty seven I can't remember. But but I know. Yeah. Sabella. Sabella had him interesting story on that is a he ends Avella met each other while both sat on a Jackson County, which is what Kansas City's in a democratic nominating committee. There's a committee that was the democratic local party that would meet and decide who was going to run for certain offices. Our boss sat on that committee with. Roy Williams, who was the maintain? It was the president of the biggest local forty one teamsters union in the city also was president of five, forty, one So he was. He was the big dark and they met each other then and it was during that time that that they form this relationship in this connection, it was probably jurors prior to nineteen fifty seven. Yeah. So you've got you've got Kansas City Cleveland. You Got Tony Provenzano with GENEVIEVE's family? Fifty, seven, I believe you had. Joel Coen Chicago also had Dorfman so you had the mafia guys. Maybe had McCarthy with a Patriarca. So once once you've got the mob, you've got the executive board, and so you've got the presidency That's interesting thing about this Hoffa was loved by the rank and file, but the rank and file didn't really vote right who said for then really vote on the president. So if they had an executive board made up of these Riley Williamson a different local presidents at made up this executive board. So you own the executive board. Then they elected the president correct right where you where that rank and file comes in though is for the places. That are not mobbed up sort of the the outside areas you know you've got a place like Minnesota or or wherever Arizona you've got more of the the rank and file are supporting a guy areas that are not mobbed up if the rank and file there they they lean on their vice president and he will tend to support Jimmy Hoffa based more on his his rank and file that makes sense in areas where the mob does not does not play in they will have something of a voice but not not too much I mean guy, it's almost like the electoral. College they. Do, what they want, but they will be some sway on their members plus they outlet Jimmy Hoffa. So right there. Vice President whoever they said as a representative. He's got represent is rank and file with. No Matter Bob, they still got to support off because he was sell well Exactly. Perfect combination of of personal charisma and and hard work and ability on office part but also the the mob connections to so he left nothing to chance. Did He? No he e really covered all his basis. So once Hoffa's in there he gets to pick who's president of the locals. The officers are now either mobbed up or loyal to Hoffa and he has basically gets total control of the union by putting Hoffa loyalists everywhere, and that was that was how often basically a. dictatorial. Control I. Mean he was he was literally a little little dictator of of the Union, which is wife even years later when Hoffa was eventually removed, he still had his fingers in everything in that union because he planted his people everywhere he had Chicago Joey glimp- Co is a local president. He was seventy grand a month in payoffs from from businesses for union piece Allen. Dorfman was union casualty on the board. He was also an executive he was. So that's people looking out for the Chicago outfit Kansas. City. With the local forty one and join canceled fifty six with Roy Williams. PATRIARCA had William McCarthy. You had Tony Provenzano and. You look at these areas and each one is just mobbed up mobbed up mobbed up. You know what was Frank Rainy in Milwaukee it was really so integrated between the mob and and the teamsters I forget who it was in. Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, it's really throughout my research. It was just every single place. You've got a controlled by Philadelphia's Angelo Bruno, and it was really across the board. So Hover didn't like. Individuality in his he wanted he wanted total control as his secretary and eventual vice president. He shows an old partner of his from Detroit Frank Fitzsimmons other members of the board had answer to their respective mob bosses. But Frank Fitzsimmons would only answer to Jimmy Hoffa I mean he Jimmy Hoffa owned Frank Simmons Jimmy kind of e- treated him kind of bad. He sort of looked at him like an inferior. He'd Yell Adam in front of people you know you're such. Dummy and and get over here fits and you know that kind of thing he knew that fits would always do it. He was told which in the end would kind of come back to bite him because when Jimmy wasn't there telling them what to do other people would step in and Fitz would do what he was told by other joes fence because he could controlling you're gonna be a strong central figure like that. You don't want choose a strong guide to. Be. Next to you you want. The actually what you say the mob guys loved the we'll find out later on he'll. Fishers like to go play golf. Tell me. A. Great big gala at the. Rancho Mirage. California that the teamsters? Bill. Big fancied golf club and and Fitz, spent more time out there and the ever did A. Nice though just want to play golf other teachers offices. And then hover maintains the strings to the pension. But while all this is going on off, does does his negotiated contracts for people and locals are not to negotiate contracts without him? He's he controls every move he's talking about micromanaging often does everything is where you see the one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty election. This is where the mob came in and supported supported John Kennedy this is one example where you see Jimmy not falling in with the mob the mob wanted to support I mean this pretty well established some people may not buy into it but. We know from a lot of recordings that the mob wanted to support John Kennedy for. Various reasons, Jimmy refused to do that Gado deal if. Chicago the really big exactly. That's all those local areas all democrats there, and they were all owned by. The Yup Yup. That's why the Margaret so well, the did. So well, I wore they had every day in politician Cook County and surrounding counties wired up, they're all democrats. So they're gonNA have to support a Democrat and that's kind of where you get. You get on board there. HOFFA. The ever the rebel is your nose here that he he gave five hundred thousand dollars Richard Nixon him. I think the mob hoped that they could get Havana back if. What Joe Kennedy, kind of kind of promise to them but That was part of the overall thing that that if candidates in which we see a lot more evidence of Kennedy's effort to to get can get to go back and get ready to Castro. Once you got rid of the communist government has over up casinos L. They're still trying to do that today. Open it up to. Get doubt in opened up those casinos bleed mob guys are. All over that man. Come up with some good good gaming control boards. Aero. Bright Damn. Jesus Uber Again, they'll be all over that one hundred did not toe the mafia line here he did his own thing he and he had his rank and file support. Nixon on Nixon lost by thirty thousand votes. So it looks like the mob trump to the teamsters, but teamsters went their own way. So that's you see where Jimmy does have an independence from the mob he he's able to tell them no for the pension board sometimes not as. Often, as he should have but. And goes his own way politically. So that's that independence that eventually gets him in a little bit of troubled. Hindsight's twenty twenty but. With John Kennedy gets elected president and Bobby, Kennedy yet he becomes. A huge thorn in the side of the. and. Jimmy Office. He's probably laughing all over himself. See those guys eat by go. Yeah. See what you did. See what you did. Yeah. Bobby you know he he went after the mob that he go after off. Yeah. So Mighty, he sure he said up I remember this he said. He said up these illegal wiretaps all over the country. He gave the FBI pretty much carbines to to go around and wiretaps all those illegal wiretaps. And I've read some some defensive those guys like Bill Romer and Robert Blakey who wrote the A who wrote the the the Rico Law have said Yeah. They testified and they said, well, yeah, they were illegal but we've got them. We might as well use them. Then Romer said, well, do we really need to do we really need probable cause to? To do recordings of mob guys do we really? We know they're breaking the law. So why do we need eastern I? Know Civil Libertarians are gonNA, jump all over me but do we really need knowing that their mob isn't that enough? Isn't that? Isn't that a predicated act you know there was a definite opinion against these guys in the FBI. Interesting, you mentioned a little bit about this before last week. Is there a tape and Raymond Patriarch's off? Yeah, and they take people come with a battery. Our guide offered to pay him somebody for an introduction to her meeting with offer so. Yeah Kennedy's this little. Foray into wiretap paid off right away shows the the real depth of connection of the Teacher's Union and they organized crime literally had the get Hoffa squad. He was I dunno know twenty or thirty agents just going after most of them were lawyers and that was that was their sole purpose because his Hoffa was still I mean Kennedy was still ticked off about the McClellan hearings. So he had guys just going after Hoffa you know you've got. Kennedy and hoover, and. Answering the DA all coming after the mob. And now for those who don't know Harry ends lender. This was excellent for the formal DA. This was the old Federal Bureau narcotics and Bill Lousy would always say that if you wanna fide good mob information before Appalachian especially goaded the DA for the Federal Bureau archives files because they. Can't believe incredibly, they worked all those O'Hara conspiracy starting back in the thirties forties and fifties They documented a lot of a lot of stuff on the mob where the FBI wasn't really write it down and they were really taking a look at it. So that's you answer and sliver was yeah. They've got the big mafia book that came out before a Appalachian. Every mob guy they knew who was involved in narcotics around the around the world that. To have a copy of that I I, I was trying to order one but. I did have one I left it in in Virginia. Trying to order a second one. House as God he said, it really lays. It helps you know. Look at that and you know what things are the way they are twenty years later. Yeah. So you've got you've got everybody bearing down on the mob once once Jimmy H-. Ones John. Kennedy. Gets elected. We know that frankly Ghana was Hoffa's lawyer. He was also the lawyer to Santo Traffic Kante and Carlos Marcello and we know that years after Gano said that he was with traffic on Marcello when when Kennedy's death was announced and they toasted and sort celebrated We know more Chiloe said if you want to kill a dog, cut off the tail, you cut off the head. Office said, it looks Bobby Kennedy is another is just another lawyer so. We know that John Kennedy died now. Did did Hoffman the mob where they mixed up I don't know that depends on on where you are on the conspiracy jail but we'll. Leave it there. But that's that's where Hoffa in the mob fall on the John. Kennedy assassination. Difficult about that is Jack Ruby thing. Yeah. If it hadn't been for this Jack Ruby, thing if he. Was a strip club owner from Chicago and had a lot of mild connection and moved to Dallas and I you know to believe that this kind of mob Associate Strip club owner who I knew a lot of those guys in Kansas. City they were in every major city there were strip clubs and there were usually the owners would be some kind of Bob Connection. Some kind of association how that guy took it upon himself to thank you know that while this man killed President Kennedy. This out of no where those kinds of people don't usually. Do any kind of altruistic things. They're not going to get anything out of it. They're gonNA. Do they just don't? Even to this day, what kind of a a club owner you know this is going to go out and do anything Patriot and help mankind. That he's helping guide by killing the man that killed President Kennedy. So it's it. Is a strange but anybody else but. But Jack Ruby or somebody like him. You know any kind of you know. So construction worker out here even. Lawyer Doctor that just flipped way it went down there but again kill the there wouldn't be any controversy that's the whole controversy that whole conspiracy thing would have died out as far as bob was concealed, they had other conspiracy theories going on it's like a is kind of a crime that just lend itself to conspiracy absolutely kill the guy that did the right away like that Robert Kennedy was no longer the attorney general maybe the damage had been done to the mob into Hafer but off continues on. The president's He's got a few charges hanging over his head, but while this is going on. While half is fighting against Robert Kennedy and everything from about nine hundred, sixty, one to nineteen, sixty, four. So John Kennedy died in sixty to sixty, one or sixty, two or three Jimmy Hoffa is negotiating the master freight agreement, which was ist an incredible piece of negotiation Jimmy Hoffa had to go to every local around the country. And basically every shipper and to get them all on the same page and. Had to get the members to support it more or less and You know you'll offer this much every day. You'll. You'll this much guaranteed pay this many hours a day guaranteed and this much holiday pay and this much over time, and it sounds, and now we come to accept that as you know, that's just kind of the norm. But but back in this time th, there was just not not done it was it was something completely new and Jimmy basically. Did it single handedly going around the country? That's why it took. It took three years to do three or four years and he did it the mob helped. To sign on, they would slash tires and break windows burning burn the place down. If maybe some local president wouldn't go along with it than Jimmy, pull him out and put somebody in who would. He this was a place where he used the mob to help him, but it still still took. Jimmy off of four years. He came up with the master freight agreement, which was the first national contract guaranteeing rights four for truckers, and this is after they were kicked out of the AFL CIO. So basically, Jimmy was doing it totally on his own and this really cemented his reputation among the truckers. So they would go anywhere with any firm and they would get the same rights and the same guarantees. And they couldn't be paid less anywhere. They went. It was really really. Jimmy's crowning achievement and the mob absolutely helped him with that was that was a huge effort is. said that if you re teamster in adopt in Wichita Kansas or your team on the dot in Kansas City Missouri or Detroit, and there's a certain race pay that you got for whatever your job classification was. Live that's interesting. Now I'm sure that they all negotiated individually across the country the different locals to you know band together and Kansas City or Detroit. And said, he probably the People Loughton Kansas Wichita and salina where there might be some teamsters activity why they would. They would have a different contract than say, new. York. City where the cost of living to higher. Yeah. You could get more but you couldn't get less of Dover and that's the mob helped him like I said, that was a sort of a concession they made. If Jimmy is going to give them if Jimmy is going to give money and Jimmy's GonNa GonNa, let them steal every third load or whatever whatever deal Jimmy was making. He did it in exchange for their help with this master freight agreement. So there you see a lot of the symbiotic relationship, but you don't see too many of the later presidents using the mob to help them with negotiations. Jimmy really knew how to use power sometime around this time when he was charged with bribery, he had the jury tampering incident. Yeah he had extorted money. From a company, you personal money it was really a extortion charge. That he for personal money. And he'd got an eight year prison sentence and he also got a you got a conviction on fraud. Jury, tampering the extortion I, don't remember the details of it, but he fought against it he was charged in nineteen, sixty four. Or Sixty, sixty, three or sixty four while all that was going on he was negotiating the master freight and he continued to appeal over the course of several years. This time he was also saying, yeah, not the mob and and really taking everybody off. Now, this was data. Nashville is a truck. Yes. Right that. Front, with a lot of mine offer and they wanted to settle a strike be tried for that. He was acquitted. He found out that he actually he bribed a policeman who was married to one of the jurors so. Nashville cats are. Actually ended up convicting but that jury tampering. For that they didn't go back with the with the other case. Yeah. Double Jeopardy. Yeah. Unlike with the Harry Aleman, where they said there was no no jeopardy the first time. Right that was. Brad the judge. Guess that was a little bit different The easier to to say you know that was definitely you know there's only one decider on that. The judge. So and this would there was twelve insiders and the only paid off one and and really only paid off her husband but he when he got his time and that's why he was away when he when the mob got moved in when so you've gotta Jimmy who was already kind of tight with the purse strings, but he goes away finally in nineteen, sixty seven and he said, okay. Allen Dorfman and Bill Presser are going to be in charge of the pension. Fitzsimmons will be the acting president but I'm GONNA. Oversee. Everything. He went to the mafia row in Lewisburg. You see that in in Goodfellas and I've heard some guys say, oh, prison wasn't really liked that but I've read quite a few books on on Mafia row Vinnie Teresa was there and he talks about it that. Carmine Galante. Basically ran the place John Gotti was air carmine, Galante. vinnie rally the constantly area the Lucchese Family Paul Varo Henry Hill eventually as where Tony Provenzano went to jail in nineteen sixty. Six I think. So you really had every major just all the the mob guys that was where they would be imprisoned in in Lewisburg and everything. I read said they ran the place they they had them in a separate location of the prison they called Mafia row. I've read about that question we've all seen goodfellas right the. Show that now talked to a prison guard up at Leavenworth and and he said, well, what we had in Russell Bufalino and and some other guys like that. We're all in what they called the old lands wing and he said it was kind of like that they had money. They could go by different things at the commissary and they cook their own a lot of their own meals and and kept her their selves and and unless you're invited in then you didn't you weren't really part of it and they let alone as he told a good story about Bufalino was down in line. This was after Hoffa disappeared he he said, Hey, he said Mr Bill Lino, said. Jimmy Hoffa. A look. While Jimmy's away though that's where they really they really see how good they can have. It got Dorfman and presser who really start building up power but they do so by giving away a lot of money and you've got Fitzsimmons who he really is good at negotiating contracts, he and Roy Williams. That's a strength that they do have but other than that fits just wants to play golf and everybody can do what they wanna do. He doesn't. He's not really just like under Jimmy, very, very pliable and. He'll. He does whatever. So as long as Dorfman Bill Presser, keep writing the checks and fitzsimmons stays on the golf course Roy Williams has got the support of the rank in files that's keeping the men. Happy. It doesn't really matter what's going on with with Jimmy what you do see during this time, as Provenzano went to prison in sixty six, his brother did take over the local five sixty and was on the executive board shortly thereafter. But this is where control sort of swung away from the genovise to more the midwestern mobs into. Chicago with Dorfman and Williams and Kansas City Cleveland was sort of connected closely to the GENEVIEVE's family but but really you had Chicago. Once, Tony Provenzano went to prison in sixty six. His brother was not as strong as Tony Provenzano. So this is where Chicago? Really takes over more greater control of the Union through through Allen Dorfman wondered about that. How did Chicago into that being such a big duck? Fair to the New York family. Yeah. That was a fat Tony Salerno and. He's kind of the. Over solve Tony Bro we told me yes. Robes on open he had some. Connection to that but. You know they just did not have the stick. Say. So or the control, the Teacher's Union that Chicago did Chicago was the man the guy you know and everybody had to get Chicago's permission they were you didn't get anything done with the teamsters unless Chicago approved of it. I always wondered how that happened. So this kind of makes sense with with the East Coast guy gets locked up there's nobody really step and then Chicago's already got Kansas City in this pocket only Williams. Team. Shirt CLEVELAND has pressure in his pop in their pocket but but in Cleveland you know is subservient to the GENOVESE FAMILY MILWAUKEE, subservient to Chicago, and they've got a member of the board. So so really Gago was you know they? That's that's how they as the amount I wondered about that and off it was always a Detroit guy. So that's where you really see. That sort of shift in power was about the time that Tony Pro went to prison. So that's that's kind of I. My take on it is that we're in Chicago Kansas City and and Cleveland who also has close ties to Chicago they sort of shift their power towards towards the more stronger the stronger Tony. Tony Bruin Hoffer in prison Lewisburg at the same time. Yeah. So that's when this big fall out the head came if I remember right the movie, right? Right yeah they. They did just very much like the movie. There was a there was a slur Tony Provenzano was upset about his his commission the movie did get that right and there was he did say something about you people or people like you were. There was something that upset Tony Provenzano. Along those lines Jimmy stepping on on them Tony Provenzano's feet in prison. He's also really trying to keep control of the mob trying to control the pension board with with some of the people who are still on it even though. Fits. Presser and and. Dorfmeister still controlling it. So Jimmy starting to gum up the works he's still trying to to run things from prison and that's that's Starting to aggravate people but this is where Fitzsimmons really start. He fitzsimmons doesn't. He's not helping Jimmy get out of prison. He's not taking steps. He's not that was that was kind of what what Jimmy wanted. He wanted to take political steps to get him out of prison and that's not happening because. People are starting to turn on. Jimmy and stepping on the mobs toes with Tony? Provenzano was really a bad a bad move. Offer Meka these needs political connections really bad during this time, and this is when he created this drive was that while he was still in the penitentiary or start that just before no that was that was earlier earlier before you before he went, he had created the Dr Program. I should have had the year on there but the Democrat Republican. Independent voter education that was set up by Hoffa earlier. To create. It was basically a political war chest to make political contributions. Candidates cracked and basically hoffa would just just take money and put it in there. So every teamster made whether they knew what they were making contributions to the dry funds. So that was also worth set worth millions of dollars. Jimmy would make payoffs or donations to senators and congressmen, and so he lined up political power behind the teamsters that was also the mob had access to that when Jimmy went to prison. That's another war chest for the mob to make political connections and once fitzsimmons comes into power. Jimmy at intended for him to use the money to make inroads into to get Jimmy out of prison basically to help them out, get get a pardon and Fitz. dragged. His feet on that did not help him. They were not going to make connections during during the Johnson Administration but Nixon did want connection to the teamsters and he remembered that it was Jimmy who gave him the money. So round the. Nine. Hundred Seventy Nixon starts reaching out to the teamsters he gets in tight with Fitzsimmons was Haldeman who reached out to Fitzsimmons in. Actually. Playing Golf with Nixon, they're back and forth playing golf at La Costa which is built by the teamsters, and that's where the mob played golf out in San Diego the mob seized they've got fitzsimmons playing golf with the president. So they've got a direct route to the president. They've got all these politicians that are lined up with Dr Fund they've got open access to the pension, fund. Nobody's hindering nobody's saying, no, why would they want to go back to Jimmy? That was a particularly good connection that fits made with absolutely United States that's that's almost amazing ended. Nixon will. will use that money it was. You know he was famous. For pioneered this somehow being a Republican but they get the vote of the working man. Build. On. This Day because it's still going on this day, how does a Republican get all these union guys to vote for? Them were historically the Democrat ones that both sponsored legislation that that is friendly to. Union labor unions and benefits, and and all that but somehow they data Nixon. With the war thing, he kinda use the macho nurse of the labor unions to get on board against those we will push the antiwar people were afraid to go to serve in the army and and Kinda use that as a way. There's still Republicans are still done today not and I'm not making a political. one way or the other is just that's just the way it is. It's just how it's worked his it just doesn't make sense that a labor union was aborted. Rebublican. It just never made sense to me hang after after Bobby Kennedy to that kind of left a bad taste in their mouth is. Saturday. Of course, he really hits labor union said he was against the. Mob Control of labor unions he was trying to favor but. Somehow, they turned that they were management or Labor management of the labor unions turned that against the Democrats and made everybody feel like that the Democrats are going against them when all going against Al Kindi was going against the mob influence. That's enough politics I. Guess for this this. We get too far down that path to where we at offer has resigned from the president. He's been in prison, but I believe Nixon. Got Him out they may have a deal with the devil to get him out. Didn't they? You know offer finally agreed to resign and seventy-one while he's in prison fits was the. He was the acting president, but he comes the actual president and so often basically loses total control of the unions. So he's using his people to block pension funds and all but. Finally Fitzsimmons does agree to get Jimmy out of prison. I think that the hope was that if we get Jimmy out of prison, he'll stop using his last connections to block everything to block pension funds if we just get out, let him retire. We can. We can just neutralize him and so part of getting Jimmy out of prison was Fitzsimmons. Asked. The White House. Get him out but in doing so maybe ban him from from the Union until the eighties for five years just just we'll put them on the shelf. As a mob would say we know that. FBI informants. Or aware of a five, hundred, thousand cash race by Anthony Provenzano and the genovise family and another five hundred thousand dollars were put together by Allen Dorfman in the Chicago outfit. So this is a million dollars it was put together, and this is this is based on on much better researched. Source Than Than Mine. So this is a million dollars put together between the. Chicago outfit, it was put together and delivered to I know that it's in the the Irishman but this is Based on a real real source that I got this from and it was put together and delivered to Nixon Nixon's tapes talk about million dollars in cash that he's able to receive the recording of Nixon's White House that he he recorded of himself Nixon receives this million dollars Jimmy gets the pardon and his remove any, and he gets out of prison but as part of that. In this part of the deal made with the fits he is banned from participating in the teamsters for five years. So Jimmy's out, but the mob has finally kicked him out of the teamsters. Totally he's done he can't. He can't participate even even out of prison he's basically been cut off and Jimmy is furious type of aplastic is beside himself that his union. That he created as been taken away from him and you know the rank-and-file would've still supporting Jimmy. Yes. He could have still gone to the rank and file even though he's not supposed to be doing anything he can still onto the rank and file did mean he signed an agreement but it wasn't like he was on parole were they get bouncing back in attention it was a pardon and so Nixon can't goes they all you. You didn't stay teamsters business so we're about to back. Right injury and I'm sure he can't make it move because he was not going to give that up on I'm sure that he's put his whole life. Every fiber is being as a teamster in this and now they expect him to stay out. Of teamster business I don't think so right I did exactly right you pointed out that during this time fits salmon's he had Roy Williams got on his side Yes roy Williams was was owned by the government against any BOB and can't said he would adopted Chicago and and they would all that broiling Williams needs to stay on fences side and not. Any return by off on sure that they have done that I don't know if your research down that. Yeah. You're right is make sense and and Roy Williams Kinda like Allen Dorfman they were both war he rose out of World War Two and most your tasers were World War Two vets. Yeah. They were like, no man's man both of them especially Williams because he come up to teachers ended. Up because his father was a teenager like toward when he came up through being a truck driver and so he had immensely respect by teamsters, rank and file teamsters. So he could you Kinda help fend off that any HOFFA moves through the rank and file exactly. He was with Roy Lee, Williams? They were able to like you said, they had they had the rank and file. He was the only guy aside from Jimmy Hoffa, who could really get the men behind him. Hoffa was very popular with the men. Fitzsimmons not so much guys like like. Bill Presser and Allen Dorfman maybe not so much. But Roy Lee Williams was really highly regarded and the men knew who he was and knew that he was he was in the trenches with them and he was had been in the trenches with them both in the war in the cab and he was really really well regarded and that was that really counted for the optics of that were very important. We're up to the early seventy. Yeah. Let's just Come back next time and start talking about the teamsters scam in Las Vegas and and what went on the Sammy's kind of the beginning of the end is also then office fight to to. Get back into the saddle. Shall we say with the teamsters and take an active part? That's interesting story in itself? Right. All right. Cam Has Been Great and folks we will. We will bring you the probably the third and final left I probably the third and final episode of don't. You can do this. Yeah. I think we can. We can sprint through. Probably Sprint through in and knock arrested without. Is. A pretty good story. It's a big one. 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Buried Treasure: "The Roy Cohn - Donald Trump playbook"
"A Michael ISIKOFF chief investigative correspondent for Yahoo News. And I'm Dan Kleinman editor in chief of Yahoo News and a quick reminder that you can follow us at skulduggery pod and and by the way. If you've got any questions thoughts ideas you wanNA share tweet right out us. Now let's get on with the show. The Justice Justice Department was going after Fred Trump donald trump for not letting blacks in their housing rather than making deal rather than admitting guilt. Roy said trump. You need to go full bore. After the justice from coned was very clear what to do attack. Don't settle don't apologize the giants attack. Roy would always be an offensive strategy. Those are the rules of war. You don't fight on the other guys ground. You define the debate. The Donald Learn that from Roy. I learned that from Royd. Those are excerpts from a fascinating new documentary. Sorry where's my Roy. Cohn a film that tells a lot about the state of American politics in two thousand nine hundred it explores the life and Tumultuous Times of one of the most divisive and too many repellent figures of the Post World War Two era Roy. Cohen was the chief counsel to senator. Joseph McCarthy during the anti-communist Communist witch hunts of the nineteen fifties. He later became one of the most powerful and feared lawyers in New York the conciliatory to Mafia bosses and crooked Paul's halls of all stripes but from today's perspective his best remembered for something else he was for years the attorney and mentor to an up and coming real estate developer per named Donald Trump it was cohn who guided trump through his early legal battles with the Justice Department tutoring him on how he should never admit any wrongdoing and instead put his accusers on trial with whatever you can throw it though they were. Combs ruthless rules of war lessons. That trump learned well so we'll talk to matt turn our filmmaker who made whereas my Roy Colin and the reasons it's themes are eerily relevant to today's battle over impeachment on this episode of buried treasure. Because people have gotta no I'm not a crook. I told the American people. I did not create arms-for-hostages my heart to my best intentions. Still tell me. That's true. But the facts doc the evidence tell me it is not I did not have sexual relations with that woman there will be no lies. We will honor honor the American people with the Truth and nothing else. We now have with US Matt. Turn our the filmmaker who directed. Where's my Roy? Colin Matt welcome to buried treasure and skulduggery. Gorie thank you so I gotta say the seemed to me one of the most prescient documentaries. I could imagine I don't know how long it took you to research and do this film but coming out now in the middle of the impeachment battle and seeing in ways you know. Roy Cohen's playbook playbook playing out right in front of us is a pretty strange sight to see. Yeah you know funny story. I thought about making the film during the two thousand sixteen election election because I was making a another movie about Studio Fifty Four Disco Roy Cohn was not only a frequent tenders studio fifty four but he was the lawyer for it. So he's all over the footage of the demise of that nightclub it went down in flames and skimming and income tax evasion. The scandal and he did a pretty bad job defending the owners in fact but I kept putting the idea out of my head because I thought well Hillary is going to win and the only reason to make Roy Cohn documentary. Documentary is to explain the relationship between where Conan Donald Trump will when trump won. I started making the movie the next day basically because I understood enough even before I did the deep dive research that if you wanted understand trump he had to look at Roy Cohn people. I interviewed who knew both of the guys knew. Both men in the seventies and eighties said had that Donald Trump is Roy Cohn he swallowed Reiko hole and I hate to quote scare Mucci but he did have a good line. Which is if Joe McCarthy Roy Cohn had a baby that baby is donald trump that that is a good line and I should point out in the intro Tro we in which we played a couple of experts in the movie one also hears talking about Presley and the Voice of one Roger Stone who is as we speak peak on trial in a federal courtroom for lying and obstruction and he does factor into this story as well and undoubtedly Roger Stone is using has been using the same tactics against the Justice Department is Roy Cohn and and Donald Trump has certainly wasn't gonNA plea bargain in this case Matt you mentioned Studio fifty four and I want to get to that part of Roy Cohn life later on fascinating to me. The way he was able to kind of navigate you know these different worlds decadent New York of the nineteen eighties in the Reagan White House. But can you tell us how you got the name for the movie. Because I think it's interesting story. It's something that we actually talked about on skulduggery when the New York Times I quoted Donald Trump saying whereas my Roy Cohen. But you must must've seen that and said that's my title. Yes titles are hard so I never really settled on the title until basically I have to approve the movie movie poster but I found this title that day that The Times reported on this meeting. I guess in the lighthouse where trump's complaining that jeff sessions uh-huh won't recuse himself and trump blurts out. Where's my Roy? Cohn instant title and I think it's the first time a sitting president has named a movie. So there's another strange distinction here -gratulations on that. Yes I hate to give him any credits honest with you but you know what what he's saying. There is profound and very very disturbing. And it's also by the way is a footnote a crazy world we live in where Jeff sessions take John. Bolton are the great heroes of what is happening politically in this country. But this was the case it turned out. When sessions would recuse accuse and trump's saying in fact? Where's my mob lawyer? Where's my fixer? At the head of the Justice Department which as as the press reports and Mike you talk about on Msnbc on a daily if not weekly basis as a great misconstruing of the way that the government is a setup and supposed to function. Well let's let's just take a step back and Go through for our listeners. Who was Roy Cohen? What his early prominence was in the nineteen fifties how he first came on the public radar screen which you go over in the movie in great depth? Yes there's still a lot surprising about cones resume and his biography. Really even if you know who he is. Most people know who he is from angels in America. These days is because he's a big character in that Pulitzer Prize. Winning play by Tony. Kushner cone comes from a wealthy Jewish family family. In New York City they array of companies whose family controlled is incredible. They had lionel trains than Hewson shirts parts. which was the biggest shirt company at the time a bank called Bank of the United States which was the leading Jewish Bank of the period and Q.? Tips shockingly One of his uncles invented the Q tip. So he's very well setup as this young very very bright and no one can take this away from him as as Venal a character as he turns out to be and I would even say he turns out to be a modern Machiavelli having created a president president from beyond the grave. You can't deny that cohn was probably a genius and he graduates from law. School Colombian this this case. He's still too young. Take the bar. He was through law school so fast and he comes from a family with a lot of political critical connections. His father is a judge and very tied into the Democratic political machine in New York City and coned learns all of his politics at the knee of the machine. Politician father that he has who really l. e. attained his position because of the financial influence of Roy cones mother's family. All the money was on on the mother's side. And that's the Marcus family. So He's very well positioned to shoot to the top of the legal profession in the nineteen fifties when he's in his early twenty s and he does is that by becoming an assistant prosecutor on the most high profile case of the time. which was the Rosenberg? Spy Case. The the Justice Department very purposely appointed only Jewish prosecutors and a Jewish judge that case because they didn't want to be accused of anti-semitism anti-semitism and cones one of these prosecutors but he also has a really ignoble role in that case because he has access partake take communications with Judge Irving Calvin and cone for whatever reason persuades Calvin to sentence Ethel Rosenberg. who was innocent of any espionage charges to the electric chair so at the age of twenty three Roy Cohn makes his mark in a very dark way away? In a very memorable way and the Rosenberg executions leave a really open wound in the Jewish community and on the left side of the political ledger. That many people have never gotten over. That was his first. I have to say it is. It is shocking that in essentially his first case he is having an expert conversation with the judge in which he he he lobbies the judge to give someone. The death sentence did data. When did that come out and was there? Were there any repercussions at all for that. I think it was whispered about. At the time you know Irving Kaufman. The judge lived in the same apartment building building on Park Avenue as cones parents. It's very small world and I. I'm not saying that. This was limited to the upper class. Jewish Legal Eagle World of New York. But it's really about the favor bank and I think in later years you can view right cone as the CEO of the favor bank. which is what made politics ticks? Turn in that period. This was the political clubhouse period and The nexus between Politics Money Society Eddie and the legal system was very vital. One clone really was always at the center of a fixer from the very beginning. Yes I mean if you know. Oh about his biography. You realize that he went to the Tony. Horace Mann Prep School in New York. But he made a bribe to help a teacher feature get out of a traffic ticket when he was fourteen years old. So he's a combination of well. Educated upper class very comfortable in the corridors of power. Even at it as a kid but he's also kind of like a has a street smart thug quality about him. You know it is. We may get to this later. But you do play excerpts from a really interesting debate that Cohen had in the nineteen seventies with Gore Vidal and. I watched the full that full interview after seeing it in the film. And there's a passage where cone is asked during that debate if he has regrets about anything and they mainly were focusing at that point on his role as chief counsel to McCarthy and he does say well well maybe I do have some regrets about what I did as a prosecutor now at that point of course he's a prominent defense lawyer who goes after the government who attacks their cases. Anyway he can but I did find it interesting that you know he may have some small part of him. You may have had some regrets about the way he handled the Rosenberg case. Although I should also add just in the interest of fairness it is true that the evidence against Ethel was pretty thin but it was pretty compelling against Rosenberg himself and I think most scholars today would agree that he he was guilty of the charges that he was accused of being a spy for the Russians. When they open the Stasi archives? I believe it was all stars. E They found evidence that confirmed that Julia was guilty. However in terms of proportionality no Spies had been executed for federal charge in the United States. I believe since the civil war this was a very very outsize punishment and and the level of secret that they leaked to the Russians was not that great actually it was about a particular element of a hydrogen bomb. I believe that the Russians had this information anyway. So when you really boil down it was out of proportion. mm-hmm and in any event cone pushed for the execution of an innocent woman innocent innocent Jewish woman. I've got rare footage in the film of a protest in Union Square. On the eve of the rosenbergs executions worth thousands and thousands seemingly tens of thousands of people took to the streets to protest test the perceived injustice of this execution that Roy Cohn was behind and it turned violent. And I find it really really got wrenching and also resident for today because I ask myself. Frequently as foundational principle of the republic gets flouted and eroded led by the trump administration. Why people in the streets? Yeah let's talk about The McCarthy hearings which I think for those people who know anything about Roy Cohn no that dark chapter in his career what was his role. How effective was he? And how did he conduct himself. So so we've said by the time he's twenty three. He's deeply involved in the Rosenberger case. And then he goes right onto the McCarthy case rather the McCarthy Sub Senate subcommittee where he becomes chief counsel to Joseph McCarthy in this what we now call the McCarthy period but at that time Joseph McCarthy was the leading light of the witch hunting. That was going on. He was very known for and famous at the time. For being McCarthy's Carthy elbow during these hearings whispering conspiratorially into Joseph McCarthy's ear which made him a public Sven Gali and demagogue whisper literally and the chief one time he had the backing of Jagger Hoover who many believe God him or or diamond for him to get. That post and McCarthy wasn't really a sharp tool in the tool chest. He was a clever crafty demagogue. A politician Titian who liked the limelight. But he needed a Roy Cohn to tell them what to do. And what to say. Frequently and the witch hunt was not only about communists they they were also hunting homosexuals. And that obviously is. We haven't discussed this yet. But that is a key. Part of of the the cone story and biography graffiti which is that he was a closeted gay man and in fact he has a relationship during this period that leads to the downfall of Joseph McCarthy so wanted to tell oh that story and what impact his homosexuality that he was hit until the very end of his life had on his the development of of his character and who he became the irony and hypocrisy of this episode. Really you think is world-class cone is gay. He's not out at the time. which by the way as a gay Guy Myself? I don't fault someone in the nineteen fifties who wanted to be a lawyer not coming out out of the closet in proclaiming. His sexuality was done at the time and there was no such thing as an out gay attorney in the early nineteen fifties or even for many years after that. The problem is the hypocrisy cone with McCarthy touch off. Something called the lavender scare where they are not only actively going after after suspected communists in the government in the armed forces but they're also going after gay people and ruining people's lives there were reported cases of suicide because they were threatening to out a lot of people claiming that they were not good security risks because they repent potentially black maleable Kony himself of course is in the same situation and Jaeger. Hoover himself is in the same situation. So this original sin of hypocrisy along the lines of sexuality is horrendous. And it's something. That Cohen Never Confronts had on For the rest of his life at the time McCarthy himself who was a bachelor permanent bachelors with people. Settle Their McCarthy. Eventually did Mary one of his assistants. which is you know raise suspicions as well? It was an adopted baby. In all of these trappings that again caused people to speculate that he himself was gay. So what you had were whisperings about the leading characters in the McCarthy witch hunt drama being part of a secret homosexual cabal all which added to the conspiratorial nature of the whole affair. It shook down in the mid fifties into something that we no now is the army McCarthy hearings but I think a lot of people don't realize that Roy Cohn was really the center piece character of those hearings. There were touched off. When a protege of cones named G David Shine who was a tall blond handsome Ceylon of a hotel family was drafted into the army during the Korean War as a private code had gotten shine a seat on the carthy investigations Committee and cone being a string puller wanted to get this guy shine who was suspected to be a love interest of his a promotion now the promotion he requested from the Secretary of the army and Cohen was a wheeler dealer. So He's just McCarthy's chief counsel but he just calls the secretary the army and basically tries to to extort a promotion for his friend out of him and he says. I want to be a general now. Promotions from in private to general as far as I know we're not very common period it he says. Furthermore I want him in posting in the postings to be in Manhattan it's to be in the penthouse of the Waldorf Astoria. Do you hear me Mister Secretary. The secretary told him to you. Know basically flip off calling then brings this back to McCarthy and says we're going to go after the army we're going to rack. The army was his phrase that precipitated. The Immortal Army McCarthy hearings where McCarthy's response with Cohen at his side was accused the army of having been infiltrated by communists and a couple of yes homosexuals. who were are bad security risks and were infiltrating Major branch of the Armed Forces. This was a travesty of course but then Senate Senate majority leader Lyndon Johnson arranged for television cameras to be brought into this more than one month a public hearing and it ended up having an unintended ended effect. which was discrediting Joseph McCarthy in one of the greatest moments in the history of television still to this day which many of your listeners snow about? And that's when the attorney for the army. Joseph Welsh says the immortal words at long last. Have you no sense of decency Sir to McCarthy and it has the effect of bringing the whole McCarthy machine crashing down to Earth so cone leaves Washington and in pretty much disgrace the the to be associated with McCarthy McCarthy's of course censored by the Senate he largely drops off the radar screen as a factor in American political life but cone reemerges in New York as a defense lawyer and Dan. Remarkably has a successful career as one. How did he go from the disgraced figure in the Macarthur Army McCarthy hearings to you being a prominent defense lawyer in New York legal circles while you're exactly right both of their reputations ruined McCarthy and Cohn by the Army McCarthy or at the hearings McCarthy died of liver failure from alcoholism of years later and he ended up being censured by the Senate cone does something that will be very familiar to anyone paying attention to politics today? He declares victory after having been defeated in this way moves back back to New York City where he's got a great network thanks to his powerful family and sets himself up as an attorney his father gives him a banquet banquet at the Waldorf Astoria to welcome him home and New York society that next of politics money social influence influence which really makes the world turn in New York City embraces cone. Takes him up as a fixer and a lawyer. He knows how to manipulate the media. Yeah it's really his great specialty. He has the ear of Geogra- Hoover. But all of the important columnists of the time including Walter Wind Chill who was like a one man version of Fox Fox News and in the period and a man named George Sikorsky who was a less remembered. Version Walter winchell and he has has enormous success and eventually he starts to represent the dawn's of the five families of the Mafia and has a huge reputation as a defense attorney for organized crime. Now he himself begins to touch organized crime and various forms of I'll use the word skulduggery which perfectly describes it please do comes. He becomes the person who sits sits on the bridge between the illegitimate power structures of the period. End Legitimate World. Politics skulduggery is the perfect APPA fat for that said. I want to take a little a slight detour here. Because I want to touch on the feud he had had starting in the nineteen fifties with Bobby Kennedy. who was himself for a while a counsel to the Mccarthy Committee and then of course after John? Kennedy's like the president. Bobby becomes attorney general and he goes after Roy Cohen. He has his. US Attorney in New York. Robert Morgan Thaw indict him on multiple occasions and remarkably Cohen gets off at one point representing himself before the jury. Yes you outlined it. Very well the Vendetta between Bobby Kennedy and Roy Cohn was very public. It involves Morgan doll who was actively pursuing cone on on three very famous public indictments that went down in the nineteen sixties. The origin of the Bobby Kennedy where cone feud comes comes from the time when Bobby wanted to be chief counsel. Joseph McCarthy and Joe Kennedy his father who is very influential man of course this was pushing for that and through his own network of influential mentors cone actually took the the the first chair air and bobby kind of scoffing and a half and The relationship continued to sour over the years. As Bobby Kennedy. We really took a different path. which was I believe? A more enlightened path he became a much more liberal figure and was fighting for Civil Rights and liberal causes in the sixties and Cohn took the path of darkness. Which I think was was inspired by his Demagogy Mentor McCarthy and He has this very successful career but at the Elbow Elbow Democratic senators but at the elbow mafia dons. Bobby Kennedy. Though just a little you know look we. We just did a Another show in which we had Jack Goldsmith talking about his book about Jimmy Hoffa and making it pretty clear that Kennedy for all all his although he's a hero to so many because of his passion for civil rights and what he became later in life used Had these vendettas and use the powers of the Justice Department to go after people who he despised. Jimmy Hoffa was one of them. Roy Cohen was another. And you know I gotta say the results of those prosecutions of Very Colin. Don't look all that well for Bobby Kennedy and Robert Morgan Thought Today. Yes well I I actually agree with your point. That Bobby Kennedy is a sanctified figure who has is a very mixed past and I think that's something that is very worth talking about. Having looked at the organ indictments of cone there was a lot of wrongdoing wrongdoing. There and Morgen Thal who was alive when I was finishing the film Died I think more than one hundred Few months ago refused he used to speak to me. I had three emissaries go to him who were very close to he and his wife and he just wouldn't talk about it which I thought was a real loss for the record because I'd like to know more about what was behind what was motivating his tax clearly? He was very close to Bobby Kennedy and there was a fix in But I have no doubt that we're Cohn was guilty of all the things. They charged them with so matt. You talked about how Roy Cohn was accepted and even embraced by elite society in New York to tell us about that period and then how he gets to know Donald Trump so he's a prominent mafia attorney. He even gets John Godley off of a murder rap The murder was committed in public was public shooting and and he gets a plea bargain sentence for which makes him very popular with the Other Mafiosi and he's also divorced attorney but more more than that. He's really a fixer. And again this resonates with today because you know the press politely calls Rudolph Guiliani President Trump's personal personal attorney. But he's not really practicing law. He's a fixer. And this is right out of the Roy Cohn playbook and it has its origins origins in a moment in the nineteen seventies when young not yet successful famous Donald Trump. Who's got some money to play with? Given to him by his very wealthy father a Queens real estate developer meets Roy Cohn at a place called La Club which was sort of like a rich bands. disco on the East side of Manhattan and at this moment trump in his father. Fred trumper being pursued by the Justice Department for Housing discrimination in Queens and they're guilty of it They were taking applications for apartments from people who are not white pudding the letter C on the applications which was for colored and putting them in the bottom drawer of some desk somewhere and just not taking anyone who wasn't white into the into the trump complexes just as far went after them cone is asked by trump to defend he and his father he. He does something which turned out to be brilliant He Sues countersuits the government for one hundred million dollars the counterclaim as soon dismissed but it had had the effect of throwing the government off balance in there was a A settlement with no admission of guilt which come then cast as a victory. Now you know who who does this almost on a daily basis and he did it all through the twenty six feet election even alluding to that case. When Hillary Clinton tried to assail him with it he said that he was settled in he was not guilty? So that's the cone playbook and that's how cone and trump got started and then had it built from there and how close were they. I believe they talked regularly. They met regularly. They dined regularly. Tell us a little little bit about how about that relationship and how tight they became. Maybe it came very close. I think that cone saw trump is his protege. There is a strange strange unspoken psycho-sexual dynamic to it g David Shine. who was the tall blonde rich? Boy I've mentioned earlier. Who who is cones obsession that drove him to do irrational things such as tried to blackmail the army bears a passing resemblance to the young Donald Trump? So if you wanted to look at it through that Lens you would say the cone had a tight and it was tall blond and rich and trump fit that so. I'm not saying that anything ever happened. I don't think it did but I think that there was something motivating this Mentor Mentor Mentor. Relationship but at the time cone was at the height of his power soon to begin to lose it as the seventy s wore on and he was very a useful to donald trump. Who needed entree into the very complex world of Manhattan Society? In this nexus plexus I keep alluding to where money politics power in high society. And if you don't know that about New York City if you've never seen it up close it's all important home even still to this day and cone was really the person who hold the keys to held the keys to all of those precincts and trump knew that and he he really functioned as a guide introducing trump and why he was motivated to do so unclear unclear. I think as I said there probably was even if it was subconscious assertive psycho sexual elements who but Cohen loved. Protege Roger Stone was another one of his proteges he loved Co conspirator and He also loved gossip. I think he liked the idea of being the puppet master Sir of this young swashbuckling Tiro. who was Kinda making mark in New York at the time and that man was Donald Donald Trump? There's a passage in the film. It was an interview on NBC News. That Linda l'herbe conducted in Seventies. It never aired where Cohn talks about trump and he talks about these glowing seemingly almost sexualize Wahab He's so excited to talk about this. Not Very well known young man named trump and he in a way nostra. Domino's like predicts is going to be president. He says something to the effect of Donald Trump is a media rising from New York. WHO's going to go on one day to touch every part of this country and major parts of the world? And so if you if you put that through a kind of nasty domino like crystal ball. It's almost as cone in the seventy s is predicting the trump is going to be much. More Important Horton and much more significant carrick than than we all could have realized even up to three years ago and of course he loved playing sort of puppeteer You also talk in movie about how he lobbied. Rupert Murdoch to endorse Ronald Reagan. When he was running for President President? That was actually a very key endorsement for him. We have two sources talking about the Murdoch relationship and its effect the Reagan campaign of Nineteen Eighty Roger. Stone's one of them I don't know he's the most credible source but I think he had an interesting insight which was then confirmed firmed by one of cones law partners. which was that John Anderson? Who was the third party candidate that year on the liberal ballot in New York State has a complicated ballot with With sort of shadow parties liberal conservative. He split the vote. In New York Anderson pulled a lot of would-be Carter voters away. Okay and delivered the Electoral Votes Reagan. And then the law partner of cone says he was in Roy. Cohen's office when Nancy. Reagan call the day after the victory to thank him for getting her husband. Elected presidency of two sources focusing on that and then soon after. Reagan takes office Rupert Murdoch. Who had recently acquired the New York Post and Endorsed Reagan in New York very important. Endorsements Ron Reagan in the post had not a conservative paper So much before Murdoch taking over. So it was important conservative endorsement for now President Reagan in the form of payback. Yeah yeah no I was GonNa say the other thing that that fascinated me about this period Roy cones life and I love to this to this before it was his ability to move so easily between Sort of New York Society Society may not even be the right word. This is a pretty decadent back in time in New York in the nineteen eighties. He's he's going to studio fifty four as you said he's hanging out with with Andy Warhol These dinner parties that these having seem a little racy and decadent and then at the same time He's he's invited to the Reagan. White House their pictures of him in the Oval Office with with President Reagan. What does it say about cones ability to kind of navigate these world and also how the culture was then versus now now? Cohen was absolutely adapt in navigating the social and political worlds he had a very famous adage which was Fuck the law. Just tell me the judges which was his way of practicing law says everything but he had the ability to new phone. These judges up his father had been a judge and that was the way that machine politics worked in that period corruption has has morphed and now corruption sits in the Oval Office of course in the emanates from there and I would argue that Royko created a president from beyond the grave in president in his own image. So that says everything and I think that's probably the motivation behind your podcast. which I think is subtitled scandals? In the trump era well. My movie is showing origin story of all of those scandals but they came from brokering influence and flouting rules and creating a special cast ast of kind of extra legal privilege that the power structure at the time was very used to donald trump. Grew very use. Do Because Roy Cohn fixed it all out for him and he's trying to use now people such as Giuliani and bill bar to function as his kind of fractured versions of Roy Cohn to work outside the constitution. And there's Sop into various is going on as was revealed by I whistle blower in the Ukrainian scandal the trading scandal playbook with the two Ukrainian Henchmen Giuliani as their. They're you know they're they're overseer is right out of the Roy Cohn playbook well all this is why it makes you the perfect perfect skulduggery guest but before we go. I want to just go through the last kind of sad pathetic years of Roy cones life life where his sexuality catches up on him because he comes down with AIDS and yet he cannot admit that he can't admit that he's gay even when he's pressed by as determined a interrogator as Mike Wallace. As you show in the movie justice just walk us through the through those last few years of Roy cons life well for those who think that trump will never run out a road. The Corollary of this movie about Roy Cohn might bring some good cheer because he did end up running a road. After decades of getting away with everything you know L. politics cleaned up in the post Watergate era. New York City became a rich much richer city and the bar of New York State got its Act Together and in the wake of the morgantown indictments which Cohn had pulled out of a lawyer named Marty London became head of the Disciplinary Disciplinary Committee of the Bar and reopened all of the dead files on Colin's skulduggery and mystery and behavior. And they got it and they In the mid eighties banished disbar him but at the same time he was becoming very ill with complications from HIV AIDS. Now the irony of this of course is is terrifying and it's hard to have sympathy for cone But anyone who could track AIDS in those early years before there was anything close to a treatment for it was confronting an unspeakable all Horrific death and the irony that this gay baiting closet homosexual super villain the criminal and really emblem of of self hating homosexuality which is why. He's the trope for that. And Angels of America guiding of a horrific disease and becoming a social pariah in the city that he used to really own is is really ah exquisite Hard to watch and Mike Wallace in his inimitable style in sixty minutes profile in the year I believe that Cohn Cohn died eighty six puts puts it to him and says do you have a income denies. It says not liver cancer now at the same time cone very close to Ronald and Nancy Reagan as if his hypocrisy couldn't be greater accepts special treatment from the Reagans courtesy of the Reagan's at the National Institutes Institutes of health which is conducting early trials in treatments rich. So he's denying he has disease as this horrible record. Kurt hypocrisy accepting special treatment for the Reagans who had the worst record by the way in the HIV AIDS years because they were not talking about the plague publicly so it's a very ugly very hard to watch demise but he did run out of road his last Kind of criminal act which leads to his disbarments. I think takes place in a hospital room with a dying multimillionaire. Air Socialite woman and actually dresses up as a male nurse. Tell us what happened. Well I mean. Some of these scandals are so picturesque. They defy belief but I've confirmed them all with primary sources. One of the things that did lead to is this bar. Hymn was scandal where he tried to disinherit here at the family of a liquor. Magnate named Lewis Rosenstiel. who was a really like violent anticommunists cohort of Cohen? All the way back back in the nineteen fifties very close friend of his and when Rosenstiel was incompetent and had dementia as the result of the stroke and was in the Ospital Cohen according to resume addresses a male nurse and got him to sign a codicil which made the family not the inheritors of the the state and gave the estate to cone and some of his Co conspirators. That's one of the things that he was disbarred for. And you can't get more baroque than some of these scandal. You Know Matt. I would love to continue to hear these stories. But I'm eager to get downtown to catch the end of today's proceedings in the Roger Stone Trial Roger Stone. Of course being another one of Roy. Cohen's proteges so I wanNA thank you and and relive some of the The World of Roy Cohen. As it's playing out right now in Washington DC. Thanks for joining us. Thank you you guys are great. Thank you thanks to film director Matt. Turn our for joining us on this episode of buried treasure. Don't forget to subscribe to skulduggery on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you you're listening to your podcasts and tell us what you think leave a review be sure to follow us on social media at skulduggery pot. Talk to you soon.
Famous Fates: Robert F. Kennedy
"We hope you enjoyed this episode from our series famous fates. It's about the impactful lives in shocking. Deaths of history's most influential people to hear. Even more episodes each week subscribed to famous fates exclusively on spotify and the tension of the nation is focused on the state of Oregon. You could very well determine who will be the next president of the United States and based on the results today senator. Robert Kennedy is not yet the next commander-in-chief where is he. Where or did he go? Mark is bobby with you know. I saw him leave before they announced. Ethel are you okay. I just need to find him. Bobby Bobby there you are. I've been looking all over for you. We Lost Ethel. We lost an Oregon. BOBBY MM-HMM WE didn't lose it. It's over it's not. No Kennedy has ever lost an election and no Kennedy will this was one St. You've already got Nebraska. Scott and Indiana. Let's face it. I appeal best to people who have problems and I can't wish for people to have them. I wasn't raised like that. America has problems bobby. Our country is in danger not just from foreign enemies but above all our own misguided policies. You memorize my speeches now. I listened to them and memorize the important parts. You WanNa know the most important part. You didn't just write that you believe even that and it won't stop being true just because you lost one St. I didn't marry a man who gives up and you didn't marry a woman who backs out after one strike. Think I love you. I know our eleven kids are proof of that. Come on. Let's go to California. The race isn't over. Plenty of people with problems there. Hi I'm Vanessa. Richardson and I'm Carter. Roy Welcome to famous fates a par cast original exclusive to spotify each week. We'll release five. Fresh episode centered around a common theme such as Hollywood icons influential women or music legends in each episode. We'll take a close look at the remarkable marketable life of a different person with the help of voice actors will dramatize their incredible lives reimagining their greatest and weakest moments then will examine their controversial deaths. Some deaths came too soon. Some remains shrouded in mystery and some change the world forever for today. We're covering Robert. F Kennedy also known as Bobby Kennedy or RFK just like his older brother. John Bobby's promising. Political career was cut short by an assassination but in that brief time he left an indelible mark on American politics. You you can find episodes of famous fates and all other park has originals for free on spotify to stream famous fates for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type famous fates in the search bar famous fates is a spotify exclusive so you can only find it on spotify at par cast. We're grateful for you our hard listeners. You allow us to do it. We love will let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at par cast and twitter at podcast network. Now back to the life of Bobby Kennedy Robert Francis Kennedy one of the most remarkable underdog politicians in American history was born on November twentieth. Nineteen twenty five. The third of four sons in a family of nine children wasn't always in the spotlight especially when it came to his father. Joseph Kennedy Senior. You may remember this from our episode on JFK. But it's always worth mentioning again. Joe Put all of his focus on Joseph of junior and John Looks right because of that. Bobby found himself attached to his mother. Rose Kennedy Joe often called him a week boy and a disappointment to his family. He was a run to Louis. Father's eyes Osthoff. That's the Kennedys for you carrying that. Last name meant carrying big responsibilities. Joseph Kennedy Senior was part of Massachusetts Line of political elite. That included senators mayors and congressmen but he wanted his kids to go further. You WanNa Joe Junior to be the first Kennedy to become president of the United. It states just a very small and simple aspiration while Joe is busy setting political future for his older children. Bobby had time to figure out who he was. And what what he liked without his father's interference or interest to be honest. He became an avid researcher of American history decorating his bedroom with pictures of US presidents send filling his shelves with books on the civil war. He was also a stamp collector and once received a handwritten letter from Franklin Roosevelt with whom he shared his interest in violate Italy. Bobby even took on a newspaper route as a way to get money without having to go to his father but that didn't last long when his mother found out that the family chauffeur was driving him in a Rolls Royce so that he could make deliveries. She forced him to quit the side job. A short lived and embarrassing moment for the Kennedys that pushed Joe Senior further away away from his younger son. Despite his father's disdain bobby continued to search for his approval asking his father to write him letters expressing his opinions on different political events. It's and World War Two. You wanted to learn how to think like a politician even if it meant asking for opinions. That weren't his own World War Two. You played a big part in Bobby's rise to a more important role in the family while he was still in high school and incapable to list his older brothers were deemed war heroes else. JFK still in his younger years rescued most of his pt boat grew after it was wrecked by a Japanese destroyer and joe junior volunteered for a delicate it and secretive mission for the government to pilot a plane filled with dynamite toward an enemy target and parachuting to safety but the plane exploded loaded halfway there before he could reach enemy lines. Joe Junior was dead along with Joseph Seniors hopes for his eldest son to become president. Joe Senior didn't waste any time. His attention shortly shifted to John Kennedy and Bobby graduated from law school. His father decided that it would be up to him to make John's path to politics. Reality it was the first time bobby was trusted with such an important role in his father's eyes. He was no longer the front. Bobby tried really hard to step up and become the strong kid that Joe Senior never thought he'd be when he went to Harvard he worked his way up to first string on the football team name and he did it by showing up an hour early to practice and staying in our late. His stock in the family line was starting to gain momentum it was also the first of the Kennedys as boys to tie the knot. Ethel Skakel a wealthy and devout Catholic. Bostonian was his perfect match. If only for one thing my parents were not bedrock lead rock Democrats they were conservative Republicans but my consciousness of politics when I was growing up none whatsoever. I met bobby on a skiing trip. He was my friend jeans brother. He was standing in front of a roaring fireplace in the living room. I saw him in thought. Wow pretty great. It was love at first sight. We made a bet right away about who could get down the mountain faster. I will tell you who won bobby and Ethel ended up having eleven children. But I'm getting ahead of myself right now in nineteen eighteen fifty one bobby began working as a lawyer in the US Department of Justice that same year he joined his brother. John seven-week trip throughout Israel India Pakistan Dan Vietnam and Japan because of their age difference and the fact that John had spent some of his time with his older brother. Joe The trip around Asia was the first time the two siblings had actually actually spent quality time together though seven weeks were enough for John and Bobby become more than close friends. They became political partners with bobby serving as John's campaign in pain manager in one thousand nine hundred fifty two bobby led the successful campaign that elected to the Senate. John's victory was not only just of great importance to the Kennedy. The family turning him into a serious potential presidential candidate. But also serve as a way for bobby to finally end his father's negative opinions of him during John's campaign to the. US Senate. Bobby gained a reputation as a ruthless rude and impatient. Young man you WANNA. Let's see me. Senator Jesus Bobby. You're my brother. No more of this senator crap. I'll save it for when it's president. Then you wanted to see me check. Did you read the newspaper today. Yes I read about five of them. It's well my job. Is your job being a reader. It's my job being informed. Did you see what the Post said about did you. I didn't read the post today. I read The Times The Wall Street Journal said you're rude arrogant and impatient kid. I just called you into say father talked and we're having the reporter. Retract that retracted. What why it's freedom of speech Jack? The reporters can say whatever they want to say. That's the first first amendment. That's not the point. They know they can't mess with me so they decide to mess with you instead. Jack Lemme tell you something. I learned from years of being ignored by father. I don't care if anyone likes me as long as they like you. You're in the spotlight and it's my job to keep you there. I don't care how many two page articles people write about me. A two page I thought you said you hadn't read it. It's my job to be informed. Senator in nineteen fifty three Bobby Kennedy was appointed. Did by Republican Senator Joseph McCarthy as assistant counsel of the US Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations American and do very little. Insofar as digging Communist espionage agents out of our government is concerned then then they must depend upon us and my son down here to mound the watch towers the nation. The thing that the American American people can do is to be vigilant Dan night make sure they don't have communist teaching the sons and on her now. I realize that the minute anyone tries to get a communist out of a college university. There'll be raised in the pointy crier. That you're interfering with academic freedom. I would like to emphasize that. There is no academic freedom or a communist is concerned although he later claimed that he still retained a fondness for McCarthy. Bobby Kennedy resigned from the job less than a year after after he was appointed for the position. Kennedy disapproved of McCarthy's aggressive methods of gathering intelligence on suspected communists. Despite the fact that he'd lasted only eight months is on the job. Bobby was included in a list of ten outstanding young men of nineteen fifty four created by the US junior chamber of Commerce. Of course it helped that. His father other had arranged the nomination. Just a small insignificant detail of course in the year of Nineteen fifty-six bobby joined his first presidential residencial campaign. He worked as an aide to Democratic candidate Atalay Stevenson in order to learn first-hand. How campaigns work it was all in preparation for his older brother's future future of course but curious about it is that bobby was so unimpressed by the democratic? Party's candidate that. He ended up voting for the Republican candidate instead instead. According to Bobby Stevenson never offered strong positions in any specific matter sometimes taking forever to make simple decisions on election day bobby marked his ballot for Dwight Eisenhower or as history would come to know him. The thirty fourth president of the United States a year after that in nineteen fifty seven bobby began working as chief counsel to the Senate Select Committee on improper activities in the Labor field. He gained national attention for investigating corruption in the International Channel Brotherhood of teamsters. A trade union led by the infamous Jimmy Hoffa on the International Brotherhood of teamsters was the US's largest richest and one one of the most corrupt unions at the time after having dedicated most of his life on topics such as ethics and moral quandaries in politics. It was clear that Bobby Bobby was the right choice for the task. I declined to answer on the ground of the answer. I declined the answer on the grounds round of incriminating myself. Somebody who's been successful as you HOFFA can remember. I declined to answer that question. So Don't put that act on. I'm I'm not putting any act on your the one who wants the attention the lower level Kennedy who wants to tell the people he matters to Mr Hoffa. You said that that you thought you could do very well before jury. Or that's pretty ridiculous. Did you say anything to the fact that did not and I appeal that this should be taken out of the records did. Did you say that. Sob I'll break his back to anyone. Did you make that statement. After these people agreed to testify in front of a jury. I never talked to any one of those people. I'm not asking you that. Did you make that statement. After the testimony was finished not concerning them as far as I know who did you make it about then. I don't know or may be discussing other matters with somebody used it in a figure of speech. Who did you make the statement about? I don't even remember well. WHO's back are you gonNA break Mr Hoffa figure you're of speech? I don't know what I was talking about and I don't know what your talking about. WHO's back Mr Hof? I don't know I said it before and I'll say it again. Is this microphone. Broken lookin in two years presiding over the committee bobby brought in over fifteen hundred witnesses to the stand receiving criticism for his outbursts of anger and doubts about the innocence. Sense of those who invoked the Fifth Amendment will return to our story in just a moment. podcast listeners. We have a special treat for you our entire back catalogue of historical figures episodes are available for you to listen to right now. That's forty seven classic episodes of historical figures. 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JFK had the foreign experience and the necessary charisma to win the Democratic primary election after winning the nineteen in sixty presidential election president elect John F Kennedy appointed. Bobby Attorney General. It wasn't the most well received nomination. Several publications locations would call bobby inexperienced and unqualified for the position. The biggest complaint was the amount of power and influence bobby had over. JFK's Day to day decisions. He was a campaign director and attorney general chief advisor and brother protector due to his background in fighting against Corruption Bobby initiated initiated a relentless campaign against organized crime and the Mafia convictions against organized crime figures rose by eight hundred percent during his term also during his tenure bobby undertook one of the most energetic and persistent integration of the administration in Capitol Hill up until that point. Bobby's demands were such that. He I made sure. Every area of government begin recruiting realistic levels of black and other ethnic minority workers. He even criticized Vice President Lyndon Johnson for his failure to desegregate his own office staff bobby then proceeded to urge JFK to take a stand on civil rights. And that's exactly what he did did. We are confronted by merrily. A moral issue. It is as old as the scriptures and is as clear as the American constitution of the questionnaires questionnaires. For All Americans. It'd be afforded equal rights and equal opportunities whether we are going to treat all Americans we want to be treated if an American because his skin is gone cannot eat lunch restaurant open to the public if you cannot send his children the best public school available if he cannot vote for the public officials who represent him. If in short you cannot enjoy the full and free life which all of us want one hundred years of delay path President Lincoln. We'd the slaves yet. Their their grandson not fully agree. You're not yet three. From the bonds of injustice day not yup not yet free from social and economic oppression and this nation for all hopes and all its both will will not be fully free citizens of breed. Happy Birthday Bobby. Thank you the big three eight. Yes yes the fearful thirty eight you got up into my friend other than Oh my God. I didn't know the president was a show. Yeah neither did I.. The body come here little brother. Aren't you supposed to be in Texas. I decided to make a quick stop. Thirty seven years old. Who would have thought watching? Make it that far thirty eight. That's what I said. I'm glad you came. Mr President still getting used to all this name calling never gets old. Bobby I can promise you that. What am I talking about? You'll know it soon. What do you mean please? You're smart. You'll read you've got the experience you'll take that seat after me. Bobby John. You're barely in it. Let's make sure we keep you there nonsense but we can talk about it later tonight. We party little brother. Also I got you this I can't remember the last time you gave me a present John. Well it was probably around the last time you called me John. Romeo and Juliet is the oldest edition. I could find but I know you like those things so I did a couple of senators and by outbid you mean you told them you wanted the book and made them back off semantics come on you loved it. Used to say it all the time when he showed I take him and cut him out little star and he will make the face of Heaven so fine that all the world would be in love love with night and pay no worship to the Garish Sun. Juliet must have been some girl right. You know they're talking about Romeo right semantics little brother so you like it or not I love it. Thank you Mr President. The night of his thirty eighth birthday was the night bobby. Last saw his older older brother two days later on November twenty second nineteen sixty three. JFK was fatally shot in Dallas Texas with JFK. Okay Gone Bobby was left to carry on his legacy alone and very much not prepared or wishful of the spotlight. He was hurt. He was in pain but he didn't have time to suffer. He needed to deliver. And that's exactly what he did at the Democratic National Convention of Nineteen Sixty four President Kennedy Shakespeare Romeo when he shall die taking him cut him out little stars and he shall make face of having so far all the world will be in love with my pain pain. Hey listen to the garish son. When he finished his goodbye? Speech Bobby left alone and hid in the corridors of the event and days after the assassination of JFK Lyndon Johnson took the seat and with the office vice president available. Bobby was considered as a a potential candidate for the position in the nineteen sixty four presidential election but bobby had no intention and rising to power due to his brother's tragedy. He chose not to pursue pursued vice president chair not only out of respect for his brother but also due to the fact that bobby and LBJ had a reputation of very much disliking each other he might have denied the seat at that time. But it didn't take long for bobby to want to go back to political life nine months after JFK's assassination. He left the cabinet to campaign. Pain is a senator for New York. Needless to say. RFK was elected though the transition from being the president's most trusted adviser to one of one hundred. It's senators was not the easiest one. His younger brother Ted became an ally having served the Senate himself but not without a few concerns for Ted and most other senators. Bobby had a reputation of being well prepared for any sort of debate but his tendency to speak two other senators in a blunt way caused him to be unpopular are with a lot of his colleagues bobby up until that point never had to hold back on his words he had been an attorney general and his brothers trusted adviser but times had changed changed the man who was once the most trusted adviser to the president and who was used to running covert operations suddenly couldn't join the hearings. He had to start from the bottom as a junior senator on the times were changing and bobby was now constantly being put in the spotlight. There was nobody. He was campaigning for other than himself in and that was a first for him. Everyone was watching him. It was the first time he had to stand up and speak for himself bobby at spoken for his brother and on behalf of his brother most in his life. So how'd you find your own voice after forty years of not being the number one Kennedy. How do you deal with finally having to speak your own mind in? RFK's case it was the chance he had to stand up for his beliefs without threatening anyone else's reputation but his own. He was free to say whatever he wanted and he did. Exactly exactly that require that when somebody purchases a gun through a mail order or you tend to gun or rifle across them a State Line that you will by the law of a particular state all does at the present moment a person who's insane a man with a long criminal record of having killed a dozen people can go in and buy a rifle people you think that makes sense for all of a person who's four years old can go buy a rifle now. A person fix years old at a man and the death on on death. Row in canvas. Kill the half a dozen people in if someone sent or rifle through the mail from Chicago for him to. They have a rifle Bollywood waiting on death. Row at the killing people and the rifle with dental does that make any sense that you should put rifles and guns in the hands of people who have long criminal record of people who are in vain or people who are mentally incompetent. People were so young that they don't know how to handle rifles the gun. I just feel he was on a roll in June. Nineteen sixty six bobby Kennedy accompanied by his wife. Ethel visited apartheid apartheid era South Africa. It was a time when few politicians risk getting involved in the politics of South Africa. But Bobby was comfortable with speaking his mind. He was one of the first international leaders to stand up against the oppression of the native population of South Africa. Each time a man stand up for an ideal or acts to improve the lot of others or strikes out against injustice he sends for a tiny ripple of hope and crossing each the other from a million different centers of energy and daring those ripples build a current which can fleet down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance during his tenure in the Senate. Bobby help start. A successful redevelopment project in the poor areas of Brooklyn was a vital figure in the poor people's the march organized by Martin Luther King and worked with Cesar Chavez in support of the workers right. He became extremely popular among African Americans Native Americans Americans and immigrant groups but it was his position against the war in Vietnam that marked most of his legacy as a senator Americans want to move forward warwick they want to better their communities make this country not only more livable. For All Americans but a shining lean example for all of the world to free their energies and progress at home they want peace in Vietnam produced not not by surrender of either side for by negotiated settlement at realistically takes into account as quickly as possible. The need for all Vietnamese and only Vietnamese determine the future of their own country president Lyndon B Johnson began bombing Vietnam in nineteen sixty five even though he had inherited the war from JFK LBJ was the main gene figure in escalating. It Kennedy against his own party's president proposed a three-point plan to end the war under the plan. America would cease bombing operations nations in Vietnam and US troops would leave the country to be replaced by international ones LBJ's administration on surprisingly rejected. The plan. This was has the fuel bobby needed to start his own presidential campaign. Hey honey so are you running or not I see in you too Bernabe. That's what everyone's been saying. You said you didn't want it and I don't I won't run. Johnson is seeking reelection. It's completely unrealistic for me to run. I will lose and Kennedy's don't lose. Isn't that the only reason I don't keep thinking about reasons not to do something. I usually stopped once I have one. Don't don't be a smart ass with me I don't get it. Do you want me to run or not. I want you to do what you think is right. Do you think Johnson should still be president. WHO's the party leader Ethel? I don't think I have a say in it. Normal people don't have a say in it. Bobby you do Pete Hamill said the people are hanging pictures on their walls. They look at you and you bring them hope bobby you have an obligation of staying true to whatever it was that. Put those pictures on those walls. That's what the president does not a president. Neither is Johnson. That'll please how many people still hang. LBJ's picture on the wall. Nobody nobody wants to see Johnson rule for another term. You only have to take McCarthy out of the race. He's the candidate to beat. Johnson knows he doesn't stand. Stand a chance you did all that research already on June seventeenth nineteen fifty. I became a Kennedy all doing acting like one. If I'm running. I'm not doing doing it just to oppose Johnson. I'll run because I'm convinced that this country is on a dangerous course and because I have such strong feelings about what must be done but I feel I'm obliged to do all like hey what you've been practicing your speech. Where Kennedy's aren't we will return to our story in just a moment and now let's continue our story after much speculation? LBJ announced that he would not run for a second term. His unpopularity due to the consequences of the war in Vietnam ended. His chances of a possible reelection and the Democratic Party started the search for the best viable candidate. That person in the eyes of some was Bobby Kennedy and in the eyes of others was Eugene McCarthy. A LONGTIME CONGRESSMAN FROM MINNESOTA in March nineteen eighteen sixty eight. Bobby finally decided he was ready to run for president. He made the announcement in the same spot where his brother. JFK announced his candidacy eight years. Here's earlier candidacy gaining came to the United States. I do not run for the presidency. Merely early to oppose any man propose new policy. Condensed country is on a parallel perilous. Course and because I have a strong feeling about what uh I run the new policies politics to end the bloodshed in Vietnam and the Kennedy follow. Close the gap that the fist between black and white between rich and poor when young and old in this country and around the rest of the world. Think I'd won the presidency because I want the Democratic Attic Party in the United States of America. Stand for hope instead of despair reconciliation and instead of rolling. We're war now mistakenly cleared that we can change. Thank invite the politics only by changing the man. We're not making them. In fifteen days. Bob Visited Sixteen states storming through campaign sites like a superstar. He drew passionate electors of different backgrounds colors and class who saw oh him as the perfect figure of change standing on platforms of economic justice and racial equality. Bobby already one in three state. Primaries South Dakota Indiana and Nebraska. I don't want to win support of votes by Heidi condition and false hopes illusions. I want us to find out a promise of the future but we can accomplish here in the United States but this country does Dan. What is expected of us in the years ahead and I also I want to go and examine we roll and I want all young and old? You have a chance to build a better country and change the direction. The United States of America after Losing Oregon to McCarthy the next and most important state of the primary race was California for Bobby. Losing California would mean the end of his chances of securing a nomination in California's diverse and inclusive Lucido number of voters best summarized Bobby supporters. If you couldn't win there there would be no reason to keep running. But Bobby didn't have to worry. Not since Abraham I am Lincoln had a white politician been so embraced by people of Color. Kennedy one California with forty six percent of the votes McCarthy's forty-two percent. It was enough off to say. He was very likely to secure his nomination as the presidential candidate so Thanks to all of you and now it's on the Chicago and let's Win Nancy but bodies happiness didn't last long on June fifth nineteen sixty eight at the ambassador Senator Hotel in Los Angeles. He addressed his supporters thanking them for the win. His next step was to address. The Nation to avoid the crowd eagerly waiting for picture or a hug like they did at every rally. Bobby decided to leave through the hotel's kitchen but Sirhan Sirhan a twenty four year old Palestinian Alestinian. Born American was on Bobby's way and he had other plans for the Senator Sarhan. was there on a mission against Bobby. He Shot Kennedy in the head. Ed claiming he did it. In response of Bobby's support of Israel Sirhan was tackled to the ground and as bobby lay wounded. A busboy approached placing using a rosary in his hand while they waited for the ambulance the busboy. Juan Romero. Later stated that Bobby's first instinct was to ask if everyone was OK. His last words were similar. They were assuring ones. Everything's going to be okay. Bobby was rushed to the hospital shortly after but was pronounced dead the next morning on June sixth nineteen sixty eight less than five years after his brother's assassination the idealistic underdog and and in the minds of many the greatest president the US never had was forty two years. Old Bobby's body was buried in Arlington Virginia. Virginia but a high requiem mass was held in New York City. At Saint Patrick's Cathedral members of Bobby's staff his family and president Lyndon B Johnson attended ended. The event Ted Kennedy the only surviving brother of the Kennedy Family wrote his eulogy. My brother need not be idealized or enlarged in death beyond what he wasn't life to be remembered simply as a good and decent man who saw wrong and tried to right it. You saw suffering and tried to heal it saw war and tried to stop. Those of US loved loved him and take him to his rest today. Pray that what. He was to us what he wished for others will. Ah Someday come to pass. Roll the world as he said many times in many parts of this nation those he touched you and who sought to touch him some things as they are and say why I dream things that that never were and say why not after his death. Bobby Kennedy left behind the legacy of a man who would fight passionately for Human Rights Social Social Justice and a peaceful world many historians like to imagine the what ifs of the world unlike JFK. Bobby died before he had a chance to deliver liver or to disappoint another man who came from one of the richest and most influential families in the US was also the man who is able to reach the most diverse number of voters odors. And he did it by giving them the most valuable feeling. He could hope carved on his gravestone are the words of his favourite poem from escalates quote. Quote he who learns must suffer and even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop-by-drop upon the heart and in our own despair. Bear against our will comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. Thanks for listening you can find more episodes of famous fates and all other park has originals. Originals for free on spotify famous fates is a spotify exclusive. Well not only does spotify already. 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1968, Nixon vs. Humphrey vs. Wallace: Law and Order
"A listener note, this episode contains explicit, language? It's November seventh nineteen, sixty two in the beverly. Hilton Hotel in Los. Angeles. Former vice president Richard Nixon. Sit in his hotel room stewing. He's just lost his second major political race in two years I the presidency against John F. Kennedy in nineteen sixty and now the California governorship against, Incumbent Governor Democrat Pat Brown. Nixon is dog tired and it shows on his face. He's unshaven unkempt exhausted. He sent his press secretary Herb Klein downstairs to read his concession speech to the press. From his room Nixon watched on TV as Klein read his statement he watch says the reporters hounded him demanding that Nixon make a personal appearance he washed as client sheepishly retreated from the podium. Nixon can barely contain his rage. So. Sorry That was a disaster her. They want you downstairs I don't care what they want. It's a bad look. You not showing your face after the way they treat me there's no way I'm going down there Dick. Please think of your future. Would you please consider taking just a few questions now screw them I'm not gonNA. Do it. I don't have to and I'm not going to you read them my concession. If they WANNA know where I am you can tell them I've gone home to be with my family, but you're not home with your family. You're right here Dick they're going to keep asking for you, and then if you don't show up, they'll say Mr Nixon is nowhere to be found. and. Sure enough. Just then on the TV, set a reporter, turns the camera and asks where is Richard? Nixon he's nowhere to be found. Boils with rage to Nixon. The reporters tone is an insult but no more insulting than the way. The press as a whole has treated him the entire campaign the reporter seems to be suggesting that Nixon owes them an explanation. A Nixon feels he owes them nothing. Still something in the reporter smug Tone Spurs Nixon Action. Justice. Klein. is about to walk out the door and give him some privacy Nixon leaps to his feet herb way. Klein. Looks back. Nixon Nixon's is steel and he stiffens his back. I'm going down there. After his conversation with her Klein Nixon took the elevator downstairs walked into the pressroom stood at the podium and address the reporters I believe Governor Brown has a heart. I believe he is a good American even though he feels I am not I'm proud of the fact that I defended my opponents patriotism you gentleman didn't report it but I'm proud that I did that and as I leave the press, all I can say is it for sixteen years ever? Since the his case you've had a lot of fun. I leave you gentlemen now. And you will now right you will interpret it at your right. But as I leave. I want you to know just think how much you're going to be missing. You don't have Nixon to kick around anymore. Because Gentlemen. This is my last press conference. Reporters were stunned into silence with a curt goodbye. Gentlemen Nixon left the hotel off to begin his long vacation from politics. Afterwards, his opponent Pat Brown said, that's something. Nixon's going to regret all his life process never going to let them forget it. But the reaction was not all negative as Nixon wrote, I received thousands of letters from friends and supporters across the country. WHO said they were glad that someone finally had the guts to tell the press off. The press may believe Nixon was finished, but the man they call tricky Dick wasn't going anywhere in the election of nineteen, sixty eight Nixon would reinvent his image and stage was arguably the greatest political comeback in American history. Wiki game is sponsored by better help between the pandemic, the protests and the politics. This is a fraught moment in history. It could easily be a time for anxiety depression all while our normal support networks are at a distance. 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So many that better help is recruiting more counselors in all fifty states get ten percent off your first month at better help dot com slash elections. I'm Lindsey Graham and this is American elections wicked gang. A Democratic. President Lyndon B Johnson Lbj as he was known had a grand vision for America. Johnson's great society a series of laws and domestic policies aimed at radical poverty and racial inequality had made significant strides under LBJ. Medicare and Medicaid were established bring health care to millions of Americans under pressure from civil rights leader Dr. Martin. Luther King. LBJ. Signed the Civil Rights Act of nineteen, sixty four and the voting rights act of nineteen, sixty five. That made significant progress towards establishing equality between the races. But by nineteen sixty, eight, the promise of the Great Society was threatened by the seemingly never ending war in Vietnam across the country pro-peace Americans demonstrated and marched against the war decrying the misallocation of government resources and the immorality of the draft lottery between nineteen, sixty, four and seventy three US military would draft two point two, million American men over fifty, eight, thousand would die. Meanwhile civil rights movement continued to gain steam progress was often met with violent pushback from communities, politicians, and local state and federal authorities in the face of mounting opposition Dr King advocated for nonviolent resistance and joined in the nation's calls to end the Vietnam War the surge of protests and demonstrations left President Johnson politically vulnerable as members of LBJ's own party turned their backs on their president former Republican Vice President Richard Nixon saw an opportunity to re enter the fold and we make his image amidst the ramp and civil unrest. A new Nixon would emerge the promise to write a chaotic broken nation. This is episode forty, six, nineteen, sixty, eight, Nixon, versus Humphry versus Wallace Law and order. Perhaps the first sign that LBJ's presidency was under siege came in November of nineteen, sixty, seven, Minnesota senator, and Liberal Democrat Eugene McCarthy announced his candidacy for president too many Washington insiders, McCarthy Staunchly Anti War posture like a losing strategy. But that changed in January of nineteen sixty eight with the Tet offensive. A series of bloody coordinated attack by the North Vietnamese countless Americans watched on television with dismay as the North Vietnamese overran the US Embassy in Saigon though the North Vietnamese were eventually beaten back the human cost was tremendous and for Americans watching it home, it did not look like a victory. At the New Hampshire primary on March Twelfth Nineteen Sixty Eight McCarthy's antiwar message brought him with an eight points of beating LBJ signaling that the embattled president was vulnerable days later on March Sixteenth nineteen sixty eight another Democratic candidate with a famous last name threw his hat into the ring I am announcing today my candidacy. For the presidency of the United States. I do not run for the presidency merely to oppose any man. But to propose new policies. I run because I am convinced. That this country is on a perilous course. And because I have such strong feelings. About what must be done? And I feel that I'm lodged. To do all that I can. I run to seek new policies. Policies to end the bloodshed in Vietnam. And in our cities. Policies to close the gaps. That now this between black and white. Between, rich and poor. Between young and old in this country. And around the rest of the world. York. Senator Robert Bobby Kennedy the brother of the late President John F. Kennedy had long been a thorn and they'll be J. side during the election of nineteen sixty bobby had to talk his brother out of selecting LBJ as his running mate. But President Kennedy had seen the value bringing a popular southerner like LBJ onto the ticket. Bobby had no choice but to accept LBJ but bobby wasn't quiet about his disdain now, bj wasn't quite about the feelings being mutual. But if there one man despised more than Bobby Kennedy, it was perhaps the presumptive Republican nominee. Richard. Mille House Nixon. Nixon had announced his candidacy in February of nineteen sixty Nixon had stood before the press at the holiday. Inn In Manchester New Hampshire joked gentlemen. This is not my last press conference. Nixon hoped position himself as the law and order candidate the man restore peace to a broken nation. What after Nixon's announcement? Many Republican Party leaders were concerned in nineteen, sixty, eight, the GOP, was still reeling from Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater crushing defeat for years earlier, Goldwater had run as a staunch conservative and his strategy had backfired. LBJ had beaten Goldwater in a landslide. So in nineteen, sixty eight, the GOP needed a candidate who could unite conservative and moderate factions who are at war over the soul of the party many in the GOP. Worried that Nixon's political past which had earned him the nickname tricky Dick disqualified him from the task at hand. Indeed, Nixon's political past was not squeaky clean. He had previously won a seat in the House of Representatives beating a five term establishment candidate by suggesting he had ties to a communist group. Then in a subsequent race for the Senate Nixon had doubled down on this tactic openly accusing his opponent of being a communist Nixon's critics accused him frequently using the red scare as a tool to launch his political career during the nineteen fifty two election when Nixon was general? Dwight D Eisenhower running-mate. Democrats. Had accused Nixon of lining his pockets with a secret political fund eisenhower had been so furious with Nixon over the scandal that he almost replaced him. But Nixon had been clever instead of resigning under pressure Nixon had gone on national television and endeared himself to the American people claiming that the political fund was neither illegal nor secret the American people had believed him and ultimately so had. Eisenhower. But the Washington establishment did not forget Nixon's tricky ways neither did Nixon's enemies in the Republican Party. So on the campaign trail in nineteen, sixty, eight, Nixon was determined to avoid the mistakes of his past. He resolved to craft a reformed image of a new Nixon, a respectable man of decorum and integrity in order to build this image Nixon sought the help of a young conservative up and comer in the media business TV producer by the name of Roger Ailes. Going into the New Hampshire Primary Roger Ailes the future chairman and CEO of Fox News New that Nixon was not great on television ails believe Nixon had one of the worst track records on TV in American politics certainly not forgotten how badly JFK had trounced Nixon in nineteen sixty during the first ever televised presidential debate Nixon hadn't forgotten either. So in order to win New Hampshire ails, new Nixon needed to connect with voters. Ails also knew Nixon did not come off as a warm approachable person not on television. So a New Hampshire ails developed a plan. He kept Nixon away from the press and instead created a brilliant piece of political advertising a filmed QNA between Nixon and New Hampshire Republicans the Cuna. Ganic off the cuff, but it was fully curated to cement the image of the new Nixon in the minds of American voters. The QNA. was edited into a series of political ads that played and targeted markets all across New Hampshire though this particular type of political ad is now commonplace Roger ailes arguably invented it in nineteen sixty eight and had worked at the New Hampshire. Primary. Mart Nixon won with seventy eight percent of the vote. By the end of that month of March the situation in Vietnam showed no signs of improvement neither the unrest in the streets LBJ had essentially become a prisoner in the White House. He cancelled all public speaking engagements due to the ongoing mass protests and despite the achievements of his Great Society for most Americans, LBJ's presidency had become synonymous with only Vietnam in response in late March, in nineteen, sixty, eight Johnson held a nationally televised press conference and spoke directly to the American people I have concluded. That I should not permit the presidency. To become involved in partisan divisions. That are developing in this political year. Accordingly. I shall not see. And I will not accept. The nomination of my party for another term as your president. In his speech Johnson vowed to focus his attention on ending the war in. Vietnam and establishing a lasting peace. Johnson's abrupt exit left the Democratic nomination and the presidency up for grabs. But on the domestic front piece was not in the cards. Days after LBJ's press conference tragedy would strike. It's April third, nine, hundred, Sixty, eight. Storm clouds gathered as rain pours down into the streets of Memphis Tennessee. A White Mustang with Alabama plates pulls into the parking lot of the new rebel motel brand new spot on the outskirts of Southeast, MEMPHIS? When the Mustang comes to a stop near the front door of the Motel office short-statured man with dark wavy hair hops out and makes for the desk. Inside. There's a female attendant standing behind the counter. Yes. Sir, what can I do for you like room please one nine course. What's your name? Sir Galt Eric Galt. That's not his name it's a lie but the Nice woman behind the counter has no idea. She smiles and slides in a form to fill out. The man hands for cash six dollars and twenty four cents. She slapped him a key Joe, your stay mister goal. Thank you, ma'am. The man parks his car in front of room thirty, four grabs, his things and heads inside. He flips on the bedside lamp and turns on the overhead lights. UNPACK is small bag and carefully lays his items out on the foot of the bed, a Gillette shaving kit, a six pack of beer and an old wooden box two feet long and just under a foot wide. Outside the wind howls blows as the rain peppers into the window of his room. Man Cracks, open a Schlitz beer and turns on the TV. John. WRESTLEMANIA totalitarian country. Maybe I, could understand. Some of these illegal injunction. The dark haired man already knew that Dr Martin Luther King Junior was in Memphis. That's why the dark haired man made the drive all the way from Atlanta Georgia but he didn't expect to see Dr King on television. Later that night something else catches his eye on the news B Roll footage of Dr King Standing on the balcony of the nearby Lorraine Hotel. Man Turns tension away from the TV. Back to his carefully laid out belongings. He opens the wooden box on the foot of the bed. Inside is a bolt action remington rifle with a scope and a twenty cartridge box of thirty ought six bullets. While James Earl Ray drank beer in his hotel room Dr Martin Luther King Junior gave a speech across town at the Sonic Temple in support of a local sanitation worker strike. What now? We've. Got Some difficulties ahead. But it really doesn't matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop. The next day on April four, nine, hundred, and sixty. James. Earl Ray checked out the new rebel motel moved into the nearby Lorraine Hotel where doctor King was staying. He chose a room with a clear line of sight and at around six PM as Dr. King. Stood on a balcony James Earl Ray from the bathroom window his room took up his rival trained his sights on Dr, king and fired. That night Robert F Kennedy was in Indianapolis Indiana for a campaign event after hearing the news bobby addressed the crowd. Though signs plays. I have some very sad news for all of you. and. That is a Martin Luther King was shot and killed tonight. Bobby spoke to the crowd pain by talking about his own for those of you who are. Black. And are tempted to fill with be filled with hatred and mistrust. Of the injustice of such an act. Against All white people. I would only say that I can also feel in my own heart. The. Same kind of feeling. I had a member of my family killed. But he was killed by a white. Man. But we have to make an effort in the United States. We have to make an effort to understand. To get beyond, go beyond these rather difficult times. bobbies common words did not stave off conflict in response to Dr King's assassination demonstration sprung up all across the country in Boston Chicago Detroit New York and Washington DC protesters marched and clashed with police as buildings went up in flames. But as Americans all across the country watched the turmoil on television bobby. Kennedy sought to amplify a message of hope his campaign message was an echo of Dr. King's philosophies. Bobby was making an appeal not to the democratic establishment or the wealthy elite, but to poor disenfranchised Americans both black and white. In. The tradition of Dr King Kennedy advocated for Equality Justice and peace both at home and abroad. But in the race for the Democratic nomination, not everyone wasn't antiwar candidates seeking peace. Johnson's Vice President Hubert H Humphrey entered the race as the establishment candidate. Humphry also known a happy. Warrior officially announced his candidacy on April twenty-seventh nine, hundred and sixty humphry hoped to become the first sitting vice president to win the White House in the election since Martin Van Buren. But, from the very beginning humphries campaign struck a discordant tone in his announcement speech Humphry told the crowd here we are the way politics ought to be in America the politics of happiness politics of purpose, politics of joy, and that's the way it's going to be from here on out. Humphries positive message was belied by a myriad of factors, the rage in Vietnam War protests and riots, and most recently the assassination of Doctor King. Too. Many of his critics, humphries announcement seem tone deaf out of touch and uninspiring as one commentator would later right. There was nothing and humphries announcement speech for anyone to get excited about every humphry supporter watching knew instantly that they're candid it was the most boring man in the race including Nixon. So as the democratic stylish was preparing to merely stomach. Hubert Humphrey Nixon was gearing up to make one of the greatest political comebacks in American history. Still there was one Democrat candidate who threatened to derail his plans as Nixon would later right. I saw. No Way Kennedy Juggernaut could be stopped. Wanted it the momentum of California victory. So in June of nineteen, Sixty, eight, Nixon watch the California. Democratic primary unfold with bated breath knowing full well, his own political future was hanging in the balance. We can game is sponsored by Dr Like Twenty. Twenty promises is be nineteen, sixty eight was a watershed year with political and social upheaval, a critical election, and even a pandemic that killed one hundred, thousand Americans who was also the year the truth in lending act was made law ensuring consumers knew the true cost of their debt that cost is high. If you're seeking more financial security right now, consolidating your high interest credit card debt with upstart can help upstart can get you a smarter interest rate based on your education and John. 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Nixon sits with his wife pat his daughters Tricia and Julie Julie's fiance David Eisenhower the grandson of former President Dwight D Eisenhower. Especial CBS News survey of Vulgar leaving the polling places indicates that Senator Robert F Kennedy is leading solidly in the Democratic race with almost fifty percent of the vote. He's ahead, of senator, Nixon size. Sure looks like we'll be going up against. Bobby. Anxious Nixon stands up and starts to excuse himself his wife Pat is concerned. Are you going to I'm off to bed? David Eisenhower Census Nixon's on East. We make some generous offer, no worries Mr, Nixon. I'll stay up all night watching I'll give you a full report in the morning. Thank you. Good night. As Nixon lays down to sleep. His mind is racing. If Bobby Kennedy wins in California, the Democratic nomination is his for the taking Nixon likes his chances against Eugene McCarthy but bobby is a different story. The Kennedy name carries a significant weight not to mention bobbies nearly as beloved as his late brother but eventually, Nixon's nerves give way to exhaustion. Off. To Sleep. Excuse me Sir. Mr Nixon. When Nixon eyes flutter open he sees David Eisenhower standing in his room panic in his voice and feeder in his is what is a David? They shot Kennedy Sir what he's still alive but he's unconscious. They shot him right after his victories. Robert F Kennedy was shot on June fifth nineteen, sixty eight by Palestinian Christian, militant named her hands her hand. Sirhan was angry at Kennedy for his support of Israel during the Six Day War June nineteen sixty seven conflict between Israel and Egypt one of Sir. Hands. Last. Journal entries read my determination to eliminate RFK's becoming more and more of an unshakable obsession Kennedy must be assassinated before June fifth. After being mortally wounded by her hands pistol. Kennedy lay on his back in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles California when medical attendants arrived and tried to lift Kennedy onto a stretcher. He spoke his last words before fading into unconsciousness. Don't lift me. The next day Nixon was working study when his wife Pat came in with tears in her eyes she told him the News Dick that poor boy just died. It's on the radio. Along with President Johnson and thousands of grieving Americans Nixon and his wife attended Bobby Kennedy, fear of Mass at Saint Patrick's Cathedral in New York. Nixon later wrote that he was deeply moved by the eulogy delivered by Bobby's brother Democratic. Senator Ted Kennedy my brother need not be idealized. Or enlarged and death beyond what he wasn't life. To be remembered, simply as a good and decent man. We saw wrong and tried to right it. Saw Suffering and tried to heal it. Saw War. And tried to stop. After the funeral as Nixon wrote, all the candidates observe a moratorium on campaigning President Johnson ordered round the clock secret service protection for all presidential candidates and their families. In the summer of nineteen, Sixty, eight Nixon hoped to ride the wave of his newfound image as a dignified statesman all the way to the Republican. National Convention in early. August nineteen sixty, eight Republican field was crowded with big names California governor. Ronald. Reagan was extremely popular with many conservative Republicans and business tycoon Nelson Rockefeller appeal to many liberal Republicans Nixon. Stood somewhere in the middle which could work to his advantage. If he could convince delegates that the new Nixon was a uniter at the Miami Beach Convention Center in Dade County Florida Richard Nixon did just that he stayed above the fray and kept the conversation focused on his message, the importance of law and order Johnson's failure and the Vietnam War and I. I again, probably accept that nomination for president of the United States. Look America we see cities than smoking plane. We hear sirens the night. We see Americans dying on distant battlefields abroad. We see Americans hating each other fighting each other killing each other at home. And as we see and hear these things, millions of Americans crowd and anguish did we come all this way for this? That American Boys Die Normandy in Korea and in Valley forge for this Listen the answer those questions. It is another voice. It is a quiet voice in the tumult of the shouting. It is the voice of the great majority of Americans. The forgotten. Americans the non-charter the non demonstrators. They're good people. They're decent people they worked and they save and they pay their taxes than they care. Nixon's campaign slogan. Nixon's the one set the tone for his candidacy as did his campaign song of the same name. Let's strike the. Land. Yes Nick Zillow to go. As the Republicans rallied around Richard Nixon, the Democrats geared up for their convention in Chicago. But. If the Republican convention was a gleeful affair, the Democratic convention. would be an, unmitigated disaster. The Democratic National Convention in Chicago began in late August nineteen, sixty eight in the up to the convention. Vice President Hubert. Humphrey was trailing Nixon the pulse. He was also trailing the antiwar candidate Eugene McCarthy as a result President Johnson was getting worried Nixon can be beaten Johnson believed but not with Eugene. McCarthy. At the top of the ticket Johnson was also aggravated by rumors that Senator Ted Kennedy might enter the race at the final hour in Washington Johnson mold overflying to the convention and re entering the contest himself. Meanwhile in the streets of Chicago tensions were boiling thousands of anti-war protesters had descended upon downtown Chicago. The protesters were members and supporters of various organizations among them. The students for a democratic society or the SDS and the National Mobilization Committee to end the war in Vietnam or moby others were members of a new anti political party, the Youth International Party, or Yippies. For short these protests are largely supporters of candidate Eugene McCarthy demanded the immediate withdrawal of American troops from Vietnam. The Chicago Police Department under orders from Democratic Mayor Richard Daley worked around the clock trying to prepare for the influx of protesters political activist Tom Hayden summed up the mood in the streets. The North Vietnamese are shedding blood. We must be prepared to shed blood. On Thursday. August twenty second matter of days before the convention began Chicago police stopped to young people near Lincoln Park the place where the SDS set up camp according to the police one of the to a seventeen year old indigenous American from the Sioux nation named Dean Johnson allegedly pulled a pistol the officers shot him dead soon, morning protesters gathered in Lincoln. Park, to hold a vigil, it was a peaceful gathering, but many protesters were skeptical of the police's version of their encounter with Dean John and anger was simmering. The yippies planned hold a mock political convention on Sunday August twenty fifth the day before the democratic. Convention on Friday August. Twenty. Third the hippies gathered in a public courtyard downtown to introduce their candidate to the press a one hundred, forty, five, pound pig named Pegasus. The police quickly broke up the if you gathering they arrested Yippie leader Jerry Rubin and several other protesters for disturbing the Peace Pegasus was handed over to the humane society. Soon droves of National Guardsmen in Chicago police officers assembled around downtown armed with weapons and teargas raided face more protests. On Sunday August twenty fifth the protesters marched through the streets chanting hey, hey, Lbj, how many kids did you kill today? The police largely stood by and watched but tensions were high. Thankfully things remain peaceful. Until the sun went down. Please had instituted an eleven pm curfew as Chicago PD trying to get the protesters to leave on known person started throwing rocks in response. The police charged the crowd the clash was violent, but he was short by two in the morning order was restored but not for long. The next day Monday August twenty sixth, the first gavel fell at the Chicago amphitheater in the nineteen sixty, eight democratic national convention was officially underway. Over the next few days, delegates inside the hall engaged in the Usual Horse trading they hotly debated the Party's position on the war pro-peace versus Johnson in the end. The pro-peace plank was defeated and the party's platform largely back the Johnson administration's position on Vietnam in the endo the political decisions made at the convention were largely overshadowed by the chaos in the streets. On Wednesday August twenty eighth nineteen, sixty eight, the police went to war with protesters in what would come to be called the battle of Michigan Avenue. Eugene McCarthy, was on an upper floor of the Conrad Hilton in downtown Chicago when the protesters converged on the streets below him McCarthy Watch from the window of his campaigns hotel suite as the crowd of protesters chanted Peace Now and fuck you LBJ. McCarthy also watched as the police rushed. The protesters tear gas was deployed property damaged innocent bystanders were trampled. Protesters were beaten and hauled away, and all the while cameras were rolling and Americans all across the country watched a horrific scene unfold on television. When word of the chaos outside reached the dental gets inside the Chicago amphitheater hell broke loose. The nominations for president had begun at around six PM that night by nine thirty pm the news of the Battle of Michigan Avenue broke inside the hall and delegates learned of the scope of what was happening outside in the streets. Seeing, the news reports many delegates call for an environment others demanded that Mayor Daley put an end to the Violence Connecticut Senator Abraham Ribicoff a supporter of the late bobby? Kennedy. took the floor and made explosive speech with bobby dead. Senator Ribicoff did not support Eugene McCarthy or Hubert. Humphrey. He supported a long shot candidate Senator George. McGovern in his fiery speech Senator Rybakov declared Mr Chairman I have a speech here. As I watch on television, the turmoil and violence those competing with this great convention for the attention of the American people. There is something else in my heart tonight that's not the speech I prepared to give the youth of America rallied to the standards of John F., Kennedy and Robert Kennedy, and with George McGovern is president of the United States we wouldn't have to have gestapo tactics in the streets of Chicago. The hall erupted in Booze and angry shouts perhaps no one shouted louder than Mayor Daley daily allegedly shouted back fuck you you son of a bitch you lousy motherfucker go home. If the average American was looking for something peaceful to watch on TV that night they would have trouble finding alongside the coverage of the chaos and Chicago was a televised debate on ABC between Liberal Writer Gore Vidal and Conservative writer William F Buckley the too quickly clashed and the conversation turned nasty Mr Vidal wasn't it a provocative act to try to raise the yet com flag in the park and the film we just wouldn't that invite raising a Nazi flag in World War Two with a at some. In the United States happen to believe that the United States is wrong in Vietnam and the Viet Cong are correct and wanting to organize their country and their own way politically if it is a novelty in Chicago that is too bad. I. Assume that the point of the American democracy and sometimes you can. Know, some people do not see, and the answer is that they would. They will well-treated by people who ostracize them, and I'm for ostracizing people who egg on other people to shoot American Marines. American sodas. No. Pro. Crypto not I can think of yourself failing that that I Have I listen you'VE GOTTA Stop. Rolling. Down please stay plastic gentleman loves. ragging as Buckley sneer now listen you queer, stop calling Crypto Nazi or off sock you in the Goddamn face and you'll stay plastered. He was nearly out of his chair inches from bottle. The two men's contempt for each other was viscerally felt and fain slurs forced the exchange to be cut from the West Coast. Broadcast. The chaos that night was profound but LBJ never flew to Chicago to enter the race and Ted Kennedy never came forward as a dark horse candidate. So in the end in the Chicago amphitheater that night in spite of the fact that Hubert Humphrey had barely campaign prior to the convention and in spite of the fact that the tens of thousands of democratic protesters. Across. The country did not support him Hubert. Humphrey still won the nomination much to the Chagrin of a large portion of the democratic. Base. Humphry. Pick Maine Senator Edmund Muskie as his running mate. But he was the numbers in the streets that stole the headlines in all over five hundred protesters were arrested one hundred protesters and one hundred nineteen police officers were injured. Democratic Party leaders had hoped the nineteen sixty eight convention would rally the American people behind their party, but there was still little enthusiasm for Hubert Humphrey with the whole world watching the violent and shameful display in Chicago. The Humphrey muskie ticket seemed doomed from the start as one journalist wrote on the evening of the twenty eighth, the Democrats are finished. When as Republican, nominee Richard Nixon Watch the Democratic Convention on television. He knew the game wasn't over yet. On September fourth nineteen sixty eight Nixon officially kicked off his fall campaign in Chicago in contrast to the chaotic day convention, Nixon was greeted by chicagoans with cheers and smiles Nixon would later write as our motorcade passed through Chicago's loop at noontime an estimated half million people turned out in genuine good cheer with frequent outbursts of enthusiastic support. Contrast with a bitter confrontation, that Humphrey was now tied to could not have been trader. But. Chicago was not the key to a Nixon victory in order to beat Humphrey in the General Election Nixon needed to perform well south. Humphry. was on the ropes but Nixon new his prospects of dominating the south were threatened by the presence of a third party candidate the official nominee of the American Independent. Party segregationist governor of Alabama George Wallace. Nixon did not invent the so-called southern strategy that achievement belongs to the supporters of Arizona Senator Barry Goldwater. Leading up to the nineteen sixty four election as president. Johnson. Made strides toward equal rights for black Americans. Many white southern Democrats had fled the Democratic Party. These dixiecrats as they were known had been a reliable democratic voter bloc for nearly a century but Republican nominee Barry Goldwater had sought to lure these dixiecrats into the Republican fold. But goldwater southern strategy had failed discussing his nineteen sixty four defeat goldwater wrote when you've lost an election by that much it isn't a case of whether you made the wrong speech or wore the wrong necktie it was just the wrong time. In Nineteen Sixty, eight Richard. Nixon, believed the time for Goldwater strategy had come. But Nixon's version of the southern strategy was jeopardized by the presence of Third Party candidate and former Democrat George Wallace the staunchly anticommunist Wallace proudly flew the banner of states rights you vowed to never use federal dollars to push for Integration or equality. He bemoaned the Washington establishment saying when I'm President I'll call back all the bureaucrats throw all their briefcases into the Potomac River. Like, Nixon Wallace painted himself as a law and order candidate but unlike Nixon Wallace was a vocal segregationist wall, said said in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, three that he was for segregation. Now, segregation tomorrow segregation forever his message while repugnant many still resonated with many white blue collar workers who were frightened by the protests and civil unrest in the streets. So for Nixon, southern strategy to work Wallace would have to be dealt with fortunately for Nixon, Wallace would do the heavy lifting for him. In early October nineteen, sixty eight wallace announced his running mate the hawkish General Curtis Lemay Wallace. had been under fire for his lack of foreign policy experience. So he brought Lemay into the fall to silence his critics but at a joint press conference at the Hilton and Pittsburgh bombs away. Lemay. As he was called lived up to his nickname much to wallace's surprise Lemay told reporters. Well, we seem to have a phobia about nuclear weapons. I don't believe the world will end if we explode nuclear weapon. Lemay went on to support his opinion by explaining that many lab rats had survived government-sanctioned nuclear testing saying the rats are supposed to be vaporize inside the firewall but the rats out there bigger fatter and healthier than they ever were before Wallace tried to interrupt the generals damning diatribe but lemay kept digging the hole deeper. For me if I have to go to war and get killed the jungle. Or Get. Back, if I had the choice. I read. Nuclear Weapon. After the Lemay Press Conference Wallace's candidacy was all. But over very few Americans could buy that sort of sentiment. So close to the nuclear button very quickly. Thereafter Nixon leaned into his southern strategy and tried to pick up voters fleeing the wallace camp. On the campaign trail in nineteen, sixty eight, the new Nixon, largely left the dirty campaigning to his vice presidential running mate Spiro Agnew whereas many Republican delegates of call them prior to the nineteen sixty eight convention spiro who Maryland Governor Spiro Agnew was a relative unknown to the national scene but Nixon had picked him with a purpose after Dr Martin Luther. King's assassination protests sprung up in cities all across the country including in Baltimore Maryland Governor Agnew had blamed black leaders in Baltimore for the unrest the Nixon campaign believe Agnew's tough talk would appeal to white voters in the south an agnew's willingness get his hands dirty earned him the nickname Nixon's Nixon. So while the fought dirty Nixon tried to stay above the fray he refused to debate Hubert Humphrey on national television even after Humphry called him Richard, the chicken hearted Nixon. Stayed quiet and limited his public appearances. On the trail Nixon espouse traditional conservative values as part of his southern Strategy Nixon advocate for integration. What insisted the process be slow deliberate, and careful a signal to southern voters who are worried about to change too. But. The centerpiece of Nixon's campaign was the issue of Vietnam Nixon promised voters. He would do what Vice President Humphrey and the administration had failed to do and the war. But in the final stretch of the campaign, LBJ threw a wrench. Nixon strategy. On October Twenty Sixth Nixon released a statement to the press reading. In the last thirty, six hours. I have been advised top officials in the Johnson. Administration have been driving very hard for an agreement on a bombing halt I'm told that this is a cynical last minute attempt by president. Johnson's a salvage, the candidacy of Mr. Humphry this I do not believe. But Nixon did believe it. He had run his campaign on the idea that the democratic leadership was incapable of establishing a permanent peace. Nixon felt the timing of Johnson's announcement was meant to undercut his campaign message and prop up Vice President Humphrey by pushing for peace. So close to the election John was Nixon's words making the one moves that I thought could determine the outcome of election and so with everything on the line new Nixon took a temporary backseat too tricky, Dick? It's October thirty first nineteen, sixty eight than a week away from election. Day. Richard Nixon sits the study of his Manhattan apartment. Later in the day, he scheduled to make a speech at a nationally televised rally. As he pours over his notes, the phone rings. Hello a White House operator tells Nixon that he's on the line with Mr Humphry Mr Wallace holing for the president, but the three candidates barely have a chance to exchange pleasantries. When President Johnson comes on the Line Gentlemen, there's been a breakthrough in Paris with the peace negotiations and wanted you to be among the first to know. I decided to call a total bombing halt over north Vietnam GonNa make the announcement on the air in two hours Humphrey and Wallace. Pleased Nixon though is concerned. I don't know what this means for. North Vietnam Mr President. But Clinton you've just dropped a bomb on me right in the middle of my campaign. Johnson explodes with indignation. I'm not concerned with an election. You all are concerned with an election. I, don't think disconcerts an election I think if you want the same thing. So I thought if I laid it on the line that way and presented it to you at least have a complete full understanding of the facts. Johnson continues his explanation of his actions with a brief. QNA as Johnson finishes. George. Wallace offers his support praying for you Mr President thank. You George. Humphrey offers his as well. Mr President. Then, there's a moment of silence. Nixon knows it's his turn to be supportive, but he's boiling with rage still he keeps his cool. Thank you for the call Mister President you have my supporting. Nixon was angry but not surprised by Johnston's announcement in his memoirs he wrote I'd known for several weeks that plans were being made for such an action what according to Nixon Johnson had promised to keep him in loop but Johnson had not held up his end of the bargain as Nixon wrote the announcement was the other shoe that I have been waiting for Johnson to drop when I found difficult to accept was the timing announcing the hall. So close to the election was utterly callous if politically calculated. The day after Johnson's announcement, one reporter wrote President Johnson gave Richard Nixon a trick vice president Humphrey a treat for Halloween when he announced a complete halt to the bombing of North Vietnam. Last night. Later that night of the phone call at the Madison Square Garden Rally on the evening of October thirty first Nixon told the American people I will say that as a presidential candidate in my vice presidential candidate joins me in this that neither he nor I will say anything that might destroy the chance to have peace. But according to most historians that wasn't entirely true Nixon biographer John a Farrell discovered what he called a newfound cash of notes which shows that Nixon directed his campaign's efforts to scuttle. Johnson's peace talks according to a New York Times profile on Ferrell's Nixon biography throughout much of the campaign the Knicks team maintained a secret channel to the South Vietnamese through Anna. Chenault Chenault was a chinese-born Republican fundraiser and a Nixon supporter according to Farrell's cash of notes in late October of nineteen sixty eight. Nixon directed a member of his team to monkey wrench Johnson's peace talks while the Johnson administration pushed the North and South Vietnamese. Towards a bombing halt Chenault quietly worked behind the scenes in Paris to convince the South Vietnamese government to hold off if they waited for Nixon to win the election channel told them, they would get a better deal. The Richard Nixon Foundation refutes Farrell's version of the story categorizing and Mr Farrell's conclusion as a misinterpretation of the facts. But either way Johnson's efforts to establish a bombing halt were thwarted on November second days before the election when South Vietnamese president few publicly announced that South Vietnam would not participate in Johnson's negotiations for a bombing halt. It was a massive blow to Humphrey's campaign and gave Nixon a tailwind. With Victor Insight Nixon did not relent the day before the Election Nixon scheduled bicoastal telephone for four Nixon fielded questions from potential voters and defended his case for the presidency. He would later write some of my advisors thought such a costly and tiring effort was not needed but I overruled them I remember nineteen sixty and felt I should do everything possible that might make the difference in a close election. It was my best campaign decision. Had we not had that last telethon I believe humphry would have squeak through with a close win on election day. The popular vote was close. In one forty, three point, four percent of the popular vote to Humphries Forty two point seven percent a margin of just five hundred thousand votes but it wasn't electoral rout. Nixon. One three, zero, one to humphries. Ninety. One. Nixon southern strategy had worked in nineteen, sixty, eight many white southern voters, abandoned Hubert Humphrey and the Democratic Party. Nixon's victories and Florida Georgia and Tennessee were critical the so-called solid democratic south which had largely remained intact since the days of reconstruction was now thing of the past Nixon's victory signal that many Americans were fed up with business as usual in Washington they were fed up with the Johnson administration and fed up with. Vietnam War. Nineteen sixty eight election seemed to suggest that distrust of the government trump Johnson's liberalism and his dream of a great society. The nineteen sixty eight election was therefore arguably a major inflection point in a new conservative movement that was gaining momentum. The nineteen sixty contest also brought about a significant change in the presidential nominating process going into the nineteen sixty eight election only one third party delegates were chosen in the primaries. The rest were up for grabs at each major party's national convention. After the chaos of the nineteen sixty, eight Democratic convention many. Democrats were sick and tired of party bosses ignoring the people handpicking establishment candidates and shaping the platform without input from the people as a result, an effort to make the political process more democratic. The Democratic Party expanded the role of state primaries Republicans quickly followed suit so that in the nineteen seventy, two election for the first time in American history, the majority of delegates would be chosen to use Richard Nixon's words not in smoke filled rooms by party leaders, but by the people, the fires of the primaries. On the next episode of wicked game, the election of Nineteen, seventy two and a contest largely defined by the Vietnam War Republican. President. Richard Nixon fights keep the White House out of the hands of Democratic nominee Senator George, McGovern in order to give Nixon to run for his money mcgovern and his antiwar message must survive a political scandal that threatens to bring into question McGovern's judgment and. Leadership skills don't miss a single week of our march from seventeen, eighty nine to twenty twenty, the subscribe button and your podcast. Now, this show is supported by you are listening, please give us a rating and leave a review but the single best way to help the show grow is to tell others share with your friends and family and find us on social media at wicked game. Pot and I'm at Lindsey Graham another way to support this show is to go to wicked game podcast. Dot Com members there get early access to add free episodes as well as bonus content only available to members find out more and wicked game podcast, dot com, and about our reenactments. 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Introducing The Killing of Marilyn Monroe
"Famous stars in hollywood history is dead at thirty six is found dead in bed under circumstances that were in preju- contrast to her glamorous career as comic talent on august fourth nineteen sixty two marilyn monroe died naked on her bed clutching telephone and surrounded by a deadly cocktail of prescription pills. The coroner's verdict probable suicide yet. Many believe it was murder really know braces to have committed suicide now. The killing of marilyn monroe hosted by me. Jackie moran will uncover exactly what she knew and what it it cost her this original twelve part series investigates the secret life marlon hid from the world juggling fares rat pack crooners president's men and mob bosses says was being watched by the f._b._i. Bobby kennedy was nobody's fool around where their real should being. She was going to tell she was going to talk she. She wanted to bring people down and there were a lot of people who are invested who would indeed collapsed had she begun giving press conferences and letting cats out of bags. She was the most dangerous dangerous woman in america by the time of her death. Marilyn monroe was at the center of a deadly power struggle between president kennedy brother bobby. The mafia and jagger hoover's f._b._i. The woman who had used her sexuality to hold sway over men her whole life had become a pawn in their schemes against one another talk with peter lawford she said to the president over twelve riveting episodes the killing marilyn monroe will pick apart that tangle tangle of sex power corruption and lies that left the most powerful men and america with no option but to silence the star forever through on the aground investigative reporting brand new sources and meticulous reviewing of evidence we will reveal for the first time exactly what happened on the night of august fourth fourth one thousand nine hundred sixty two and why her killer has never been brought to justice. I believe marilyn was murdered because she made a threat and that threat surfer light through the process of elimination yourself who would kill my monroe who had some of the game <music>.
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Check out the movie checkout Mr Moore's book and enjoyed this interview so matthew aspect. Dr Tell me a little bit about you. I'm very curious stories. How you decided to become a writer. I've been writing since my early twenties. I've written fiction and I mean I actually consider myself so I infomercial fiction writer. Mostly stories published. I have an academic background. Areas is film study so I just published two books. That's cinema wells and now a new vocal about the the author Pencil Nightmares so I guess it's I'm very interested in crime fiction. I've written crime fiction myself so I'm interested in the genre it all kind of faded into the fiction I ride. I guess in some ways feeds into the nonfiction exner ride. I mean the matinee anyway so I've read a ton of books about wellstone. I'm curious. What angled you come at him. At in at the end of the street inched inch in the shadow a study of his body of work kind of hobby on what you would consider this an established mugger because it looks a lot at a lot of I'm publish Polish or UNMADE screenplays and unfinished films. GonNa China take the broadest possible perspective on awesome wells but if I'm looking at it through a kind of I guess unique perspective which is how Welles filmed seven spaces how he feels cities as he made some world sometimes in studio sometimes on location so I'm very I was very interested in how the city on a figured within his body of work so that was kind of I guess the emphasis but it allowed me to look at his whole body of work that distinguishes it from all those other books There aren't really that many critical books that kind of try to cover the entirety of is work. There's a lot of biographies of I guess books. About specific who might there are some very good books that cover his the whole body of web but mine has particularly urban angles led me down different ways. It's funny you mentioned urban settings and Orson Welles and I think of a movie immediately that he didn't even direct which was the third man just that amazing chase through the stores and just the use of E. N. As such a amazing backdrop for that film yeah that's right well. They have a museum Ganor Vincent Man Museum where these incredibly passionate third man fans there have collected every conceivable it memorabilia connected to the film and the walking tour of Yanez Rowan a lot of the locations still there so yeah I mean it's not an awesome wellstone because directed by Carol Reed it feels like an awesome and I think it's probably quite influenced by his direct style. What limited didn't you had when he was onset. I suppose the other one that comes to mind to is the trial in just the use of those spaces as such a nightmarish quality to it yeah well I look into that into the trial in my book I mean 'cause that was a really inventive approach to filming city films some of that in Zagreb in what resume Slavia now Croatia though he used a lot of the modernist buildings in Zagreb and there was also a Beatles in there and the upper house but he also was filmed. I'd be the gadget will say Aris using this abandoned. Railway Station was a studio so he create us on cities out of all these these different fragmentary spaces he'd find it. Kinda create and sell at a very fascinating though that's an underrated win so I think a lot of people dismissed Smith trial but I think that serve as the great meme. What put you on the path tonight moves on a practical level? I was coming this book on wells which was pretty pretty ambitious dishes in all consuming and I thought it would be nice to write a book that has more narrow focus just one film and this this. You know it has a cult. I hope following shore but I don't really feel that night. News is ever quite God. It's important film of the seventies so it also let me look at all these different things like the career and director of the career of Allen shop the screenwriter who had this incredible career that tickling going up period. I don't think is nowhere came from his career had examined in any great detail and I also I just wanted to examine the Phil's place in Asia of tech you up a detective story and what it was doing was edgy or even revolutionary insensitive that says John Mara also its status as a seventies from there's just so much to unpack and I love the way that you went about talking about the people that were involved as well as the way that the story came about and then also how it changed changed how the the film change during the production and even bright in the post production. This is a really collaborative film. I mean we tend to think of them's because of the Tair theory and so on as the work directly but this is a case where it really wows ultimately was opera penn stone because he was the one who had the opportunity community said his final vision but it really must of the production of this tussle between Alan shop who wrote the script and pen and the pluses plus many other people who are involved in the Ad Allan the editor. I think was really crucial. Angie is the center of the drama. No this great performance despite this great actor at his the story behind the film how it was made really hasn't been told at all and I had the more I researched the more fascinating I found is Kinda. Clash of personalities with this film I know are the pen dead Alan Sharp Dead Gene. Hackman retired won't talk to anybody. How do you go about researching this. I was very lucky in never set person for this this book. The first thing that made made it possible. I'll say the first stroke of luck I had with being able to interview two of the leading actresses in the film Jennifer Warren Claes said Akola Agricola and also Susan Clark who plays Ellen Mc Harry Moses those two actresses really talk talk about nightmares in any great detail and I got them on the phone and we had really long discussions about their particular experience of making this film and they had such great insights. There's there's also blood of archival materials which I was able to use credit than that sehgal off the biographer of Opera Penn for his generosity in sharing interview transcripts with various people who will no longer with us into Alan shop in great length about this process and you know he'd use interview try into his wagner people a Lotta. The transcripts were basically never quoted before so you know he he was super generous leading or have access to that material and a lot of the other research is looking up all newspapers when the production moved to Florida to shoot on the Senate Bill Island in the Gulf coast of Florida the Liquor newspaper there you know this was. I think the biggest thing that had happened in that town awhile so they were every day that had a data recorder on on the set who was Nina so There's a pretty interesting easy looking at those very you know las newspaper. Kuyper facing tickets today day chronology or have them a night so yeah it was just this process of digging deeper and trying to find find as many could author pen of course pasta way in two thousand ten Aaron Shop Two thousand thirteen but they had each given into these. He's about this this film so a lot of the comments that I made in the past. I could quote if I'd had the opportunity to sit down with those two guys which would have been you know a real thrill. I don't know that that necessarily would have had more insights into the into the project that the they had already expressed earlier interviews and Simla in love with similar about Gene Hackman while I think he he is famously very reticent note or a non for making public statements about is work quiet private man longer tied so you know. He did some interviews during his career about nine minutes. I sort of quoted Emma's low but it's really a jigsaw puzzle together. All these different sources trying to verify things way of the different points of view. I don't no lie. I didn't realize just how many films Allen Sharp had his handed over the years in just such a wide variety. I mean that his next film after this would A. B. Damnation Alley. That's pretty impressive. Night moves is really the kind of end of this. I guess what you could call first period of Alan. Shops Hollywood career Korea because he had this first initial career as a as a very good terrarium novel this to the Scottish writer so you're right Bas- very experimental mental literary novels that were surprisingly really emotionally successful and then he got into TV in the UK and eventually into Hollywood cinema wrote back to back act five screenplays on SPEC it were all produced within about less than five years and which is extraordinary thing for anything the thing he was working with in the western genre and in the crunch really tried of really questioned the fundamental assumptions of these genres so he's it's really like his appraisal of as American genres but they're all really interesting films and I think that something I really like the last run for example which was as a film starring George C Scott Another crime phone eight nine seventy one was directed by Richard Fleischer. I really like going there fascinated by Zana's right which is a West Environment Oldrich oster night moves were made and it was kind of a you know a disappointment for Alan shop the whitsand out so often night moves our shop came a well paid rewrite or state by sometimes on credited did it was a long time really before he had another original screenplay of these are made as a feature on did a lot of TV with TV movies but then in the ninety s he sort of had come back cookie maker erected scope for Roy excellent kind of western sentence Scotland and another late some of his that I really like his dean span. Stop Peter to two thousand eight so he this long career but definitely moving indifference working TV with in Hollywood working in different chase yeah we were just talking about it was on this raid on a recent episode when we're we were talking about another Robert Aldrich Film Emperor of the North Pole talking about how Zana's raid seems to be an ultra film that speaks to you know an older aldridge film film but yeah I can see sharps presence on that and then. I was really fascinated how you were talking about that. Paul like after that's a night moves and how Paula Paula Cata moves into other areas and then she shows back up and I think under another name in a little treasure one of the the only film that he he ended up directing your little treasure the only film he directed and it was it was actually written many Israeli it was written in nineteen seventy one John I'd say and it really emerged from the same group of elements that inspired nightmares I think he he done some road trips across America in the late late sixties. Clarke's admit this woman named Paula. I think was destruct by you know. She was almost like an American can knock pecanins woman who's been around who has had her share of disappointments but it was kind of a survivor but there was a real woman in the Florida indicate by that name she turned up in night moves as under the name and the film that became little treasure yet was a screenplay originally coach to peak in the morning. You know as some similarities though this like Mexican treasurer as this whole Akara and also this attempt to uh-huh begin a story you know in a very hefty she generic way and then at a certain point the story would Jerus- into it into something very unexpected and that was his initial idea allen shops initial idea the nightmare well you kind of start with a detective story have a mystery but then at a certain point industry would sort of just evaporate. You'd never find out what had actually happened than at the during the process of of making night moves in collaboration with him they kind of backed away from that a little bit and I did have a kind of wrapping. You did find out who the culprit was. Little treasurer isn't a very successful film. I don't think it's a really interesting. Em Staff Makita Ted Danson. It really does kind of meander Sandra into something a bit strange and so it's yeah it's interesting seeing our shop experiment with the same material in a really given context it was a kind of irreverence towards genre even kind of antagonistic attitude thing there was a political aspect that occupan and had made the left handed gun in the late fifties which was Italian the billy the kid story but you know really playing with the traditional immorality of the western you know so he was really one of the very first those filmmakers who were kind of making the revisionist Western wear all those fundamental assumptions of the genre were kind of being challenged so he was one of several Cohen filmmakers in that era going to seventy s really just had this kind of irreverent reverend or even an archaic attitudes was genre and Oldman's another long. I am a cave in Mrs. Miller is a really interesting approach to do traditional Hollywood genre. It's all swept up in what was happening at the time politically and that not lose was made during the Watergate Great Watergate hearings Susan Clock Co me she was auditioning for the role in the summer of seventy three and it was very same climbed mind their the hearings were on TV so this is a linnea. This authority figgins our previous generations. you know had really lost their authority. In the the public. People were really questioning a lot of things that they may be trusted in the US and I think film is responding to that that whole the thing about Where were you in? Kennedy was killed which Kennedy is one of those great moments in the film. Yeah I mean that represents. I think I meaning of the loss of innocence shop talk about this is this kind of medical America's losses not just innocence but also I think loss of progressive the Jazz KS assassination with this you know huge shock and then when Bobby Kennedy was killed it seemed like the nail in the corner of progress host Richard Nixon for president now and then the corruption of that administration just confirmed despair that people felt yeah after Ben Son on Matthew told me how personally devastated his father had been by Kennedy assassinations and eat none of the Kennedy brothers in some capacity and worked with them in in in a limited capacity to so he felt yeah. I think he took it really tussling there. These importance of landmarks I think for Americans that generation and the film set a state that how did pen and sharp get along. It was a complicated relationship. Everybody I spoke to about of and was full full of you really happy memories. I think up that was a great guy really well likes I mean obviously it was a extremely talented director of when he was very very hot booking but on a personal level everybody roughly whenever I spoke to anyone about our shop. I caught on the same enthusiasm. Alan shop seem suiting the most charismatic the most fascinating man who ever will be. I mean everybody speaks speaks about him with the store but they were very different guys and they had very different views on the world so factor. These guys came together together. Make a film. It's a little unlikely actually I mean if you see Ozawa's Ray which Alan Shepherd and then you look it and little big man to western Preston about indigenous snow white relations. They're coming from totally different UNIVERSES. There's such a completely different approach to American district so it's very strange to me. These two guys decided let's get together and make them because they I wonder if it pen was actually innovative a Rut creatively and he thought something really interesting might happen if he collaborated with somebody who didn't necessarily wasn't always on the same page but their relationship and I you know one of mutual respect I think at a certain point around just before production began difficult filming began Allen. Shop seems to lost confidence intends ability sort of make decisions about what kind of film he was making. He was discouraged by where he felt was. He describes can in an incident described Hannah's kind of hamlet Ian because he couldn't really make decision and then yeah in trout the production I think they they really did start to tussle over their interpretation of what they were doing. I think shop was going to the Docks Gospel this story and then I think waving needed between going down off and then maybe bringing back over. I actually think this tension and these disagreements seem to happen again. Only got worse us. During post production during it actually were in the you know to the film's benefit because I think they kinda brought out something in each other. That wouldn't sales where nine news is the best film that either these two filmmakers were involved in and it. Kinda just emerged from this disagreements listening. Neither of them are happy when when it was finally finished so yeah they kind of walked away from the project pretty disenchanted pen never anything anything publicly about shop in any way negative. I just don't think that was really his style. Alan Shoppers much more pandered interviews discussing in his inexperience of the process and shop kind of managed to serve is vision of the film because he other civilizations of the screen that preserves some of the aspects of his vision of a nightmare story so but yeah no it wasn't ultimately happy collaboration. I should work on it doesn't sound like Jennifer Warren was particularly happy with the final product either at least at the time a lot of these disagreements silence about the final homer film in Jonas Sane the love same between Gene Hackman Jennifer Warren in the shooting script Jennifer Lawrence character. The has a a a ruling quite long on the log which is kind of slightly delirious series of memories of does relate to the Bobby Kennedy the assassination this available online. Anybody wants to read it but according to shop according to most people who were involved Jennifer Warren performed the scene with great skill and it was really a pet shop so it is a sort of center film but in the Editing Room a lot jeff wavering do we keep the sane at its full length dewey bridget's ultimately decided that he would abridge the same so removed most of the monologue still love Sam bell but it's a lot shorter than it was in ritual couple that Annoy Jennifer Warren I mean at the time when she was given inquest into views on seventy five she was she referred to the Casino is she was candid about sort of disappointment. Don't choppers well have found the day abbreviation of that seemed to be really disappointed. He sort of was really disappointed. In Penny Penn had sort order chicken down this was a key sane that sort of showed how clueless Harry most a character seen heckman character walls and he intended to create a film that basically Dec- constructed the archetype the private detective Tom that showed up the limitations of a macho man in the modern world trying to solve mystery and then I in shops telling and went along with this extent but then in the editing room me kind of chickened out of it and started to sort of reshape the film so that the detective hero a bit more traditional a sympathetic to the audience whether that's true or not I mean this is mostly shops interpretation of what had happened. I'm not sure that the film would have been better that scene. I was left in it. May just the time had enough who knows it's really hard to tell because nobody's saying the same since ninety seven five it was put out by. I wonder brothers on their archive label. That's right yeah so it's not like you're going to get a ton of extras or makings of or anything with that. They put out a really not really nice lurid transfer a years ago and so the transfer looks amazing. If if anybody is just thinking about taking up glue is really with it looks amazing but they didn't put any extras or any new extras on on the disco whether it's in the volts at warners not one day and I ten but I should stress though that the film has released laws occupants director's cut aid it was probably it was put out by Warner as has he submitted it so it's his final vision of the film he ultimately decided seen change should be short. So you know deferred argus most surprising things you've found while you're doing your research one. It was really surprising was how autobiographical some things were in the film now. I have not had any idea that Allen shop and take a road trip in nineteen sixty eight through the US doubt Barda he west and it medical and I mean he was in the US driving around at the time of the Monmouth King Assassinations Asian Sandy Bobby Kennedy nations he was living the the Mac experience of this really cultures year you know so saying the way it took that experience of traveling American kind of turned it into a work of fiction with very interesting. I guess we'll just learning about who allen shop was was because this is not really a story. That's been very widely told you know he came from a small town in Scotland or green not far from Glasgow. I've been there. It's little town on the Clyde River. He was an adopted child and had gone in such his original parents. So the what about graphical aspects I mean Harry Mos- vs such as father there as well in many ways although it's it's very obviously in genre's as opposed many conventions of the detective genre shop was using this as a way of scoring some autobiographical experiences as low figuring out who he was as a as a writer and where it was all coming from this was a really fascinating for me. Move is the most difficult part of putting the book together. The technical side of this is a writer as you know okay. There's the making of a film that it's organizing this material because in many different ways I could have called the story Jennifer Lawrence Omega the story how having finished making nine lives she was have vacationing in Martha's Martha's Vineyard in the summer of seventy four and she sees down you know on the Beach Boys Shaida who she knew 'cause they're in the acting world and Roy side is telling her arm shooting this movie about a shock and it's a complete disaster says it's just like a total disaster film you know of course that film was chores and turned out nine moves enjoys where released really close to Joe's was the biggest move time at that point huge hit. Nightmares was was not successful film. I thought well that might make a nice opening to the film on the beach and you got these kinds of two very different films that kind of represent different totally the different eras in Hollywood really his future night live's already from a slightly elliott part of a decade so I tried to do that as the opening vomit in really work doc and then I realized that I had to go a different direction so this is just what you do. I guess any ride is putting together a book trying to figure out how to structure the material Israel and also what's at out what include or what's the right scope for this story touch a little bit about the whole idea of taking part heart genres in the nineteen seventies and I really appreciated what you did as far as saying look at this other movie that came out right at the same time had a score by the same guy who did the score. Michael smalls had believe Melanie Griffith in it had the star of the left handed gun deal so we've seen him in a kind of anti western now he's in a very typical detective film and just compare how the drowning pool and night moves were put out almost around the exact same time as well yeah they make an interesting point of comparison because they're both warner brothers pitches in a way it seems almost like warner brothers was sabotaging nightmares but putting out another detective film right after the you know many superficial ways has a lot of similarity nightmares but it is a much more. I guess is traditional detected them. They were still a demand for genre certain types of genres cinema in that era so night moves you know I guess there's a retro advocate but this their words -tective though thing made and in fact version had kind of had a bit of revival from the late sixties olives I don't. I don't think anybody at the studio necessarily built this was particularly special foam and I think they probably look. It's another genre pace. You know it's got a star of a sort of an Oscar win. Gene Hackman pen was a director had some big hits running and song that he was also you know had his tussles the studio they probably didn't think too much of its revisionism at the time it was just there was a period in Hollywood in the early seventies. When a lot of depressing pills were getting films that maybe depressing is their own web because you know I don't? I don't get depressed by these zones. I find exhilarating but I think they're films is about failure which is something which Hollywood really stopped addressing in the same way not this. I mean the you know the lung the Die Chinatown on a town moves McCabe in this cycle films not films about American success there about American idol and and I think probably the suits figured out that really just wasn't translating in your Book Success Joe's did. Are you hanging out with people people that when you say I'm running a book about night moves that they say would is that or did they actually all know what the the movie is night movies. He's seems to bubble along somewhere. Just on the the kind of maybe ten fifteen or even twenty seventy seventies films that everybody knows I mean so I would. You know there's an excite love night news. It's it's a co- film in April. They love some really level unsown and when I'd say I'm writing a book about knives. They get very excited but there are other people who are the film and they go to see that he doesn't have the only doesn't have the the kind of recognition or immediate value is something like Chinatown or the Godfather films from that era which everybody buddy saint is into that senator anyway it definitely inspires enormous enthusiasm from people who have seen it and it's sort of seems to be a bit of obsessive so for some people they watch it over and over again most of them a lot of other films from that era since a film that you know the more you watch the more intriguing intriguing it becomes i. I saw show that way. I mean I'm not saying it but if he's ons so he didn't have a lot of friends who said why are you making our way writing about Christopher Lambert chess movie seen that one. I know there's a film with Jesse. Eisenberg had came out. Maybe about ten years ago I know is even more recent than that. Women two thousand thirteen cold night and I guess that actually says something about night moves status in the public imagination because nobody's going to make chinatown now but they'll go and make some called night. I sort of feel that the the pen nightmares is the one that you know. People are GonNA remember number but it does seem to pop up in strange places and the reason that the film was not well received when it was first released as multiple reasons. Some of them were to film itself a lot of the reasons. I think the timing and also what else was going on in the business at that point right around the time nightmares release. There's two of them regain ackman films get released so this French connection to a West Coast Bite bullet circular Gene Hackman fan you unspoiled Detroit's. There are these undetected being released right at the same time so if you're a fan got multiple choices to make in the drowning pool and broke admission version of farewell my lovely at around the same time as well but more than anything I think this this is so Megan late night in seventy three and then the editing process on a went through seventy four with a really protracted process but it doesn't get released until the summer seventy five and so much changed in in that period in Vietnam now what was over Nixon had resigned. I think the mood of new to change too so maybe if things have been sped up in nightmares easy come out of it earlier in the early seventy four. Maybe it would have done much better. I don't know that you know I it was released and kind of one of others didn't supported supported in any great way. He kinda was released and then vanished but then lives on is is sort of help and I think it's reputation is growing growing so what's next. What's your next project well. I'm actually writing some fiction amendment but I WANNA do in Youth VOCA VATSA career events new burgess this in the movies so that's my next film project. I think linebacker running fiction for the next few months anyway can cleanse Palette. It's also the same process in many ways I mean I'm writing fiction so his research involved in that as well but you know it really just sitting at the desk working but kind of early to remember which out the pennant unity saint that this shifting to choose from the year you know and you Kinda have to keep those things in your brain but yeah no. I'm looking forward to getting back has this. Where's the best place for people to keep up with you. I have a website. WWW DOT US forget dot com which has I try to keep up faded latest articles and served like that or you can seem to it's at Matthew Espera so send me an email will matthew. Thank you so much for your time. This great talking with you. Yeah thank here. 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