20 Episode results for "Bobby Frankel"

Part 2:Ed Derosa

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1:00:21 hr | 6 months ago

Part 2:Ed Derosa

"This will do. Just back off the visit with sid sire. Watch a better refocus. Brought to you by lyndale. Just checking with k. k. You need lenny's you got lenny's number. No or should i hear senator just in case sometimes because lenny will actually it's been It's actually write about exactly. We talked to lenny subsequently but it was a year of a pretty sure it was just a year ago right about now right that that That at and passed as it happens Well in this case one of one of the individuals and and operations in the sport. That i know lenny just held in the highest regard lenny. Showman good morning morning. About how how much anybody can stand him as once a year. Love it Well you know i i. I had a variety of people across my mind immediately To to bring on today and you were. You were right At the top. Because you you'd get glassy eyed talking about judge. Take it up the being a racing fan going to the track out in hollywood park once a week or whatever you know we don't we don't think about breeding all that much you know necessarily horse players perhaps but once i took the job and bloodworks and moved to kentucky in two thousand i it became obvious to me that i really had to get up to speed on breeding you know and this all aspects of the business and you know you start to learn things and you start to look at this at this organization that th that seemed to be the nineteen twenty seven yankees when it when it came to breathing in a relative everybody else and and they didn't seem to go to for sale to get their stock in this wasn't like darlie and and call more spending a million dollars you know for yearlings and eight hundred thousand dollars for broodmares Every year this is this is an organization that somehow you know was doing this internally year after year after year and it just me that the guy who's in charge of this much be a true genius of reading and i thought to usually best i mean since was just head and shoulders on an international day. A we've talked already this morning said rift on on the breeding Elements and the successes and some of the decision making as well More on the racing. Side lenny you would write features and and i know that For as long as i've known you your one of your white wales was was a sit down with prince kali But you know domestically we've had we've had representatives like doc chandler and garo rourke and he'd leave vow you know there's been this constant and then when you fold in bobby frankel and then most recently with chad brown and bill. Maher the brad cox pa baffert that have all late. Obviously in in in the prince's life farmed out A wider array of of horsemen but You know talk about the dealings. And and the coming to understand the approach through garrett and doc chandler and and he'd leave out. You're absolutely right steve. He was the one that got away and You know every time. I would see garrett's somewhere or talk on the phone on another story I would always say garrett of your thoughts on can we talk and you know garrod is called them. The boss snapped the boss. Man's deciding this man's deciding nat. We always laugh. Because i would always inquire after whether you know i could possibly get it. Sit down with them. And i did one interview them. Save at the at empire makers kentucky derby. We found ourselves next to each other walking into the paddock earlier. That day and here i was with him and i i i turned to the print and i said i. Are you having a good day here. And he turned him in any said pleasant and so that was the interview. I i did with him. I get one word at college but the first one. I interviewed bobby predict story. You know obviously you have to ask the question. You know which i did is like bobby here. Yard jewish kid from brooklyn and here. You are having major name with the horses from a from a saudi arabian friend you know. Can you talk about the. You know the irony of that. I five food. It was what he looks up for them. Because you know he's wandering up batchelor. Let's not talk about it. I was very sensitive topics that bobby certainly understood. But you know they. The the prince's run a computer programs to find out who to give to in america. And you know. Bobby ended up scoring the highest of anybody. And that's how that's how we pick five out but you know bobby loved all of his but man when he would talk about or show you you know the judd. Mont phillies in his par man. That's at that pace just with light up. You know the honest lady or flute or who. Whoever whoever the current one was Boy did he love those vilis. I mean it was written all over him and obviously judge martin and so much of his career. And you know. I told you earlier this morning that And i know that clip it sites see at keeneland or not but You know she You never know until they do. It and bobby knew he had something special but you know she hadn't run into greatest state yet This is maybe the fourth or fifth race of her career and we are on the rally together at teen and sightsee was in the raven run and she came blazing by us down the stretch and you know ran off by three and a half or four lancs and i just turned to and i said well and he said yeah you know she might be right. You know which you know. And bobby talk was yeah. I've got another superstar year and sure not what she went. Seven grade ones and who have million dollars and she didn't hate santa anita so much you would've added to that with the breeders cup path but But man they just kept common and common and common and you know the they just meant so much him i could. I could not come up with with that raven run. There's quite a few and there's some that do go back into the arts but th that wasn't there and unfortunately and i dig around And i even look for her humanity staff. Which came you know the next year as well. You know you think about sightsee. Here's a perfect example of some of the things we were talking about with with nick luck when you go through this litany of success and a horse like site seek where would she even fit in the top seventy five of of the horses that he that he produced or campaign. Yeah well interesting. And she's out of a man and viviana didn't really do much arrays is. I think she may ninety five thousand at the racist but you know she ended up just throwing one after another after another. And you know it's night's sixer self hasn't produced all that much of note the man i will guarantee you. That hurts. come back in for this like crazy. 'cause sometimes that's just the way it seems but yeah where she said i you know yeah seven greg ones in two and a half million and you don't even know that you know. She cracked the top ten or not but Yeah it's i i you know. Just ask to be able to ask the what do you see here you know how. How do you know this is going to happen. I it would have been the most fascinating conversation. Probably a of my life canal. How he's figured this all out because this couldn't have been by accident. This isn't one or two mayors that you know that went on and produce this scores and scores of them. And i i hope. I hope that that combination lock got paths on. You know the combination pass on to somebody else because you know that's good knowledge to to just go away without passing for somebody. That's good point. And the you know the group of advisers and with the input that i it seems like that's been a constant but everybody referenced at the same time that he was the decision maker. It wasn't it wasn't like he you know rubber-stamped recommendations that they you know they they put something front of him and then he said okay. That's like you know like Like the don with that Jug of oil reason. Why jared is your per to and park man and you know and the other thing that that you know. It wasn't a breeding decisions. But you know after bobby a pass and they wanted to honor him you know that they had a decision to make as to you. Know what a forced to name franko in honor of everything bobby has done for their american operation. And look who they picked out to give that name only only one of the greatest racehorses of all time and you know you have to make that decision you know when the worst is a yearling or or a young two year old and you know this is not an accident. This guy had an eye and a judge for talent and breathing and everything else it's just supersedes anybody else i've ever seen and what i what i always admired was just how How consistent and really and placid there were there was never any. There was never any hubbub or or any Controversy or or displeasure. That was voiced. It up there. There was never. There was never a reason to say you know i i. I'm going to root against that horse. I it it was just it just has been run with with Such yeah yeah you see those colors walk on to a race track and you sit foward in your seats see what that looks like and to see what the breeding is because because the whole thing is class all the way from from human to to the act wines that you're couldn't be more right about that well you know the the concern. I voiced this to to to nick lock earlier and he was on his show this morning he. He asked john gosden. Apparently seems like there is a survivorship Scenario because the you just you can understand when when certain You know we're dealing with something right now. In fact with those two dispersals that we've talked. I talked going into the weekend and in these couple of days. Already of the sale. With with paul pompa and passing and and with With the samsun team a winding down their operation. Those two scenarios That those are typical for for dispersals Obviously a passing passing But this is. I mean i. There's nothing even compare this to when when you think about the you know the international scope and The the importance. I mean just the just a this is as important. A racing operation as there is a in the world period. Yeah yeah and you know. I i don't think it was a sudden quote unquote a a sudden passing You know certainly there have been rumblings over several years that that he may have been in some failing health so so i think there was. You know certainly the opportunity to prepare as best as they could for it. so hopefully. that's that's true. i can tell you from a personal standpoint. They'd when i you know even when i got the email from keeneland about the dispersals coming i i still have not gotten used to paul pomp and not staying here anymore. It's still just just the children's up my spine. When i when i think about it. It's so very hard and difficult to to absorb. That and i know you had his cousin jerry on this week I just that hit like a ton of bricks and itself a ton of bricks and it's just such a. It's a locked for the for the business and it's such a personal lots for anybody. Who knew paul at all from the smallest interaction to to a closer interaction. There's nobody who came away from that not not touch. What a great human being. He was no doubt i. And you know a a passing like that as well as as well. Frankly as i'm sure people don't have the immediate Connection or or you know awareness but tammy vela's Her passing is really at the heart of of samsun leaving the game. I mean if tammy had not gotten sick i. It's probably ten years. But i if if she she i don't think she she wasn't forty. Was maybe forty something. I think you're right. I mean it. If if tommy goes on the ernie samuel's daughter d- samsung wouldn't wouldn't be dispersing well At least hopefully the wind blood goes on. But yeah you know these are. He's a body blows to the industry You know the these kind of operations. Don't come along every year and You know and and you know obviously. There's the personal aspects that knew them but Certainly as an industry. It's a it's a blow and you can only hope it. You know some something. Like judd mont And i think continue on the same kind of level that we've been spoiled to see through the years certainly the blind a lot. Is there anyway. Well and there's there's obviously stories that will that will be written out of the these results today the when when quality broodmares. You know that are the you know the result of careful breeding like the particularly. I think about that. You know the twenty-one samson mares and i mean. I read through the list of a list of stallions. These mayors were in full to. It's it's it's unbelievable. I mean warfront into mischief. American pharaoh candy rides hard spun distorted. You there's gonna be a whole twenty-one babies outta here that That will produce some things but it part of the games. History is the the introduction of these kinds of you know heritage mayors into other people's operations that goes hundreds of years of that. Well didn't that evans. Dispersal comes to mind. Not too distant past. And i you know arthur. Hancock held a great story because he bought a mayor out of that dispersedly. Firstly a tremendous respect. For for mr evans. And you know i. I think it didn't work out immediately. American resume so i said yeah i could hear ned evans coast coming down from heaven saying hancock. You don't need my help But but that's the way it was the name ghost lady goes anyway. You know the mayor start producing like crazy. I think maybe airports glue is from that family or whatever but you know that's the dispersal was what maybe ten fifteen years ago and you know that sort of broodmare band is going to go on and you know you're right. Yeah warner. john's i'm added. There have been some amazing dispersals two years. And you know top top quality stock. Yeah and that actually would be a fabulous topic For for one of the for bloodstock writer actually to talk about the redistribution at It's just one of the aspects of the game that's fascinating and and that's That's what's so remarkable when you know when the final The final chapters are written regarding prince kali to me that the the success of interbreeding inside and on the racetrack just They're gonna they're gonna stand alone as an incredible really incredible testimony to to him. I to as i said the nick locked to build this from from zero mean from from nothing. i. I don't even know what you compare it to other fats visits like you know like building. I ibm from from from nothing apples. And you know it's on that level Of excellence and towering above the competition and being able to get just to internally you know without having to go outside and an annex other other blood for the most part it's just it's just unmatched by by antioch and i. I'm calling it forty years. Technically i mean if he if you think about him starting You know getting a runner or two and then buying a couple of marriage and apparently the first couple of years That the eric mitchell's eric. Mitchell's got a terrific tobin. As i've mentioned repeatedly this morning. I guess the first couple of years weren't all that successful so i mean figure five seven years you know to sort of get Oriented and really. It's it's the last thirty years that you know that he fashioned all this and Until what i did. was copy from several sources. All of the group one winners. Great britain ireland. France united states Canada hong kong united arab emirates. And then they also found a section most successful horses. So i've got. It catalogued in a couple of different ways and it's seven pages seven pages to it was almost ironic. That the you know bobby frankel breeders cup winner with squirrel squared because once once he opened the doors. You know the bank hills in the intercontinental. You know all the judds Sorry coming through and winning graders raises one after another for him but But yeah it goes on. I mean i just scribbled down some names. It just goes on and on and on you know arrogant. I didn't even think about until later. Empire didn't i'm from my. He's the classic wherever the bunch and he didn't even come to mind so you get finished with all always been married. you know. Well exactly it with bobby. Obviously with bobby. That's the those are the ones you know. You think about Well let me. I've got I got to for you to choose from for us. The play one more One more race. I've got either inter-continental's philly and mayor turf or i've got to arrogates dubai world cup. I think we gotta go with the mayor right. Let's go there. yeah. I don't. I don't i don't blame you i'm and i can. I can r- there's a couple of things about that race. Actually that i'll that i can remember. I was in the paddick arlington. Breeders copper with no no this this belmont and i went down to the paddock with with with jimmy. Toner and I met. I met bobby flay for the first time before this race and and watched and and and your man john phillips right with wonder again was in this race and i think i think we i think we ended up even though i was an intercontinental fan. I i didn't. I didn't think she could. She could wire this field But this was a. You're gonna hear the names case. We're gonna play that two thousand and five breeders cup filly and mare so let me know when when you're ready with that The you're gonna hear a really nice list of affiliate surfers in this and you'll you'll enjoy. This also. goes back far enough that we get to hear. Tom durkin doing his his breeders. Cup work so i want to say i wanna say that that Roffe bay bhairon. Oh god rights. Yeah and by the way the hearts that that finished second the felt the mayor of the french second came back and won the race a year later so well well the name of course we can go ahead and frame that is we g board and this is you know this is the race that prevented ouija board from winning three straight so at anger heart to finish third behind in a kind of nine hundred. Finish second we of year filmmakers. These these were some suffering of the week before the force. Yeah the these are some solid runners. Yeah this is. This is a nice field. Let's listen to durkan here. Is prince colleagues intercontinental. Bobby frankel and full house at beautiful belmont park the two thousand five years affiliate mirror what samara speed but is there risk versus in between those two. When does not far behind mona. Lisa's forwardly placed today but there it goes intercontinental out to race for the lead as they make their way for the i heard so it's intercontinental on the outside up the lead wendy's second and mona lisa. Not far behind on the outside. Third risk-averse opposed today fourth toward the head and then inbetween. Horses is flipped running along and fifth position. Now on the outside. It's karen's caper. She's four wide around the first turn running in six hundred seventh and on hold on the inside. We keyboard right there and mid pack in this bulky field. She's running along eighth position. Not far behind us wonder again. And then on the outside filmmaker watching a bid from about ten legs out of it followed by lewis line favorable terms and gara trails. The field and very keen upfront is intercontinental. Who's the pace year. Rafeal bay around china's settler dom which was able to negotiate a half mile in forty eight and four fifths new seconds over this off going that's attempted pace for these leagues up top intercontinental now being challenged by wind as they race. For the half-mile pole parents caper looms on the outside right. They're running at third mona lisa. Underwrite a stamp with mild ago. Flip-flop continues to run. Well boards only five lakes behind as they enter the far. Turn by lewis line filmmakers launching. Her bed wonder again still about nine. Or ten lakes. Send drop threads her way through risk versus tailing off followed by terms. And at megahertz is wavy. Megahertz has been trailing update. Turns for all still shakes took now the worst case he says. He's says they're buff. They youtube buffering. The thing that's not here we got almost thing we love. Well yeah i mean she. She crap by mail gets this home. Intercontinental wins it. Would you boardman's second was third and wonder again was bored. Were there is intercontinental. Usually a very will full sort. She just liked the toss her head about and resents being restrained at all. Bobby frankel happy about the ride. That rafeal bay ronald gave her. Today was a real crafty running ride. That got her home. Well the her one by the way yeah she was fifteen to one ant pay thirty to twenty and the thing about it is she. She came in hot she. She had one. Listen to these names pretty funny. She had won the pal amar at del in the labor day weekend then she went to keeneland and one the galaxy stakes and then came into the breeders cup. And really the only hiccup she'd had through the summer she'd won the royal heroine. She was third in the maybe she had won the jenny wiley. I mean she you know she had done very little wrong. But this shows you the kind of field it was if she's fifteen two one. We g board was five to two two to one actually. Yeah yeah okay and She now out of his silly who we we haven't even discussed well you know. It's funny because i brought up danehill with sid earlier today we were talking. We went through the bloodline portion of the story. And i brought up danehill in. Here's you know here's a here's the danehill daughter intercontinental This was This was a tremendous performance. She beats ouija board. Filmmaker wonder again favorable terms. When i'd forgotten about wind and gara megahertz. Karen's caper mona lisa. Lewis line lewis. Line flip-flop risk-averse Who really did not run well. And i'll have to ask pat about the risk. Averse that day and sandra trailed so not a bad field of fourteen in that addition of the reader scope affiliate mazing mazing at mile and a quarter. Yeah i think if. I'm not mistaken Wonder again and filmmaker where my betting interests that day. And there's a lot of people i could do. We could you could check in. I always love. Whenever we'd you board comes out by trying to remember the this is two thousand and five so was two thousand and six. We're churchill in two thousand and six or mature or okay. I can't because i just remember lord darby in that in the press conference and he was you know he he'd waited a long time to get a horse like would you board and he just. He just loved he just loved coming back and and you know what are your plans for her. Well we're gonna keep running. I will. I'll try to win again. We'll try to come back next year. He was he was just delighted by few was great. I mean you're you're not megahertz to who was in the middle of that feels. She finished was also trained by bobby. And what was really a tiny philly stature wise and i just Remember the rates I don't know if it was delmar or hollywood. Where is she she was heading. Had with lord day seru philly coming down the stretch and Have been writing a lot for bobby recently and doing really well and he was on the large day seru philly that day and he probably by mistake you would hope smack megahertz and in the head with his whip coming down the stretch and As you can imagine. Bobby was was not real happy i was. I was in hollywood a couple of days later. When can't agent at the time. Tom news Trying to slay the bobby. Why shouldn't lose. Can parse say was an uncomfortable conversation for Our group that about beggar to also that road says there. There's a there's so many nice. There's so many nice stories actually up down that up and down that field. I sing when hearing wednesday and then watching the race earlier this morning. I mean there. There's a mayor that i kind of forgot about Clayborn motte Runner you know she. She had a nice career to the a filmmaker for don adam as well. Well lenny. i wasn't we weren't gonna do prince kali tribute without A visit from you. I must say It's an honor to even be considered because you're talking about just for the top the top there so A huge loss Thoughts go out to everybody connected with judgment. Certainly on this side of the ocean. Starring garriga roark. But all the people back in europol so And you just hope it goes on Just a fantastic fantastic life in the sport lenny. Schulman everybody and lenny will catch up with you down the road and out of you know on a cheery next year exactly. We'll talk to you next january. I would tell everybody to visit lenny on Twitter but there's no point buried in a snowbank. Well i i do. Have if i may yes. I do have a book coming out later. This year called the head-to-head compilation events reviews that i've done Through the years In the blood horse of which. You know the bobby frankel was certainly one of them. But it's collection about forty five interviews. I've done and so i hope to be coming back and chatting with you about that at some point without stale and so a another another lenny. Shulman thome and this that same company that that put out justify the university crashes kentucky is terrific terrific. Yeah very excited about it. A lot of great interviews People like david milch. And sam sheppard and rick pitino and bobby bob baffert and tony. Leonard and the whole section on the great women In this for like helen alexander charlotte weber injustice seeing abercrombie. And i just goes on and on but Tom durkin So it's a really nice collection. Excellent looking forward. I remember when my remember when you were pitching this. So i didn't realize it would be this close to you. Know to getting to getting released. Well head to head. It's called head to head at the head lenny. Showman expanding His author page at At amazon and Safe in fact lenny eye will. We'll talk to you in advance of the release when when people preorder. I think it should be out sometime over the summer. So i will let you. Now thank you all right there. We go the university oppressive kentucky who is sunday. Thank thank goodness is still around. Survived survived them previous governors regime and in in the bluegrass and has been very kind to thoroughbred and equine authors overall. We'll stay here. We got twenty minutes to fill out the morning. And ed droese is standing by. Good morning power there. She was eddie lennie. I had him on a. I had him on a six to five hold too. We didn't we didn't even let them off the off the hook. Run wild out certainly look forward to the book and an echo your sentiments about the press Making it through some some difficult times with its executive situation. The previous administration was ready to You know. I figured that the administration would be Oppose the things like books that made perfect sense but it has survived and They when when they have a sale when they every so often they have this sale. I'm like i got books piled everywhere. I must order three or four because the topics of that their authors have have tackled are are fascinating. I mean they're obviously kentucky centric. But there's i've i've gotten a lot of culinary. There's a lot of culinary titles in the university press collection wow Make sure. I see that next time may have a sale. All right i will. I will send you a bottle. Send you a couple of a a couple of links. Do you have a judd. Mont a thought about the prince. Kelly before we do anything else. Well i mean certainly to me frankel. sticks out Just you know. He came of age so to speak when i transitioned Churchill from thoroughbred times and that was the first horse. I remember just appointment viewing must see. Tv for international audience and thanks to eighty w Those races were easily available. I've certainly heard my share stories of people trying to hunt down the dubai world cup when that launched in the nineties to to go to the red mile and all the red tape to get them to show to cetera and Frank just seemed to really elevate you know just beyond the certainly people enjoy international ray thing and they like to avail themselves too big and small events but frankl just that was the first. I remember you just. You had to watch so if you knew horse racing even if you were just casual weekend warrior here in the states he he moved the dial and judge to be a part of that and having named horse after one of our best trainers and having sir henry cecil involved just kinda hard to imagine a more perfect storm in terms of what thoroughbred racing is in the world. And what's at that time. So that certainly fix out. And i was there in three When the prince was asked churchill. And i think bobby frankel swept the greatest fakes on the undercard and and unfortunately just couldn't get it done in the big one for the print and I i know that's probably about what would have liked to have for guy won a lot of races with so incredible story and legacy and thoroughbred racing and Can only hope it continues because when you think about john mine it's not just what they did on the track but the broodmare band and their commitment to breeding race etcetera so We'll see what happens in the coming years but hopefully the involvement were remain nicely. Nicely put nice coda to our conversations today. And i'm sure they'll be. They'll be more reactions as the week goes on let's Talk a little bit about what's going on on the oval and of course One thing that i wanna slip ahead You know we get the get these peop- said for for fairgrounds so far out in advance makes it Makes it very easy to anticipate. And they're going to get the lion's share the attention on saturday But as part of the action at nor orleans on saturday with the lecompte you've also got the kentucky derby prep race Season and getting going in earnest and an opportunity for players that we did this. We have done this. One guys are another. The last several years kind of what i was thinking. I mean going back. You know you have the the show noun show -vivor type competition and that lost a little flare. When i think we had eight eight people make it to american pharaohs derby on that certainly gave the insurance from cold feet. Going forward So we we've been you know trying to come up with ways to get a nice big number out there and keep people engaged prep season and one thing we had never done. That's actually a promo that mirrored The point so rather than Looking for you know mutual total or an roi or things like that. This is basically. You're you're wagering for real dollars of course The the the the bonus component matches The leaderboard and the road to the derby. So for instance. If you bet on the winner of the lacob this weekend at twin spires you'll get ten points for the leaderboard. And if you hit the florida derby winner you'll get one hundred points and as always you have to often twin spires dot com slash offers With a hundred fifty thousand in the purse and the grand prize i believe is thirty. Thousand plus a trip to the kentucky derby We have a feeling that This is going to be a popular one that sits big time real money up at the top down to five thousand for fifth or tenth place and There's also a consolation for those who Just participate we're gonna be giving away Some wagers kentucky derby day so lots of opportunity to pad the bankroll but without a doubt the biggest for those who play thirty thousand dollars cash first prize and a trip to the derby which should be a hot ticket this year. 'cause i don't i don't think there's going to be on her fifty thousand people there steve. Well it's funny. You say that i i i happen to have been talking to form and yesterday and we were speculating on on that I was asking him how things were in maryland. not great and there are actually positive but He he wasn't sure what was gonna happen on that front for for preakness. And because you know we're making we're making steady progress but It's not a right. Not the kind that i think we were we. We're hoping for so. How do people explain to people how to get involved. I put a link up at the website last night. So you'll see that it's a one hundred fifty thousand dollar leaderboard. Competition is what you're looking for but explained everybody how to opt in. You can't twin spires dot com slash offers. Some other good offers out as well. But this one's the kentucky derby prep hundred fifty thousand leaderboard competition once you're opted in your good week. You don't need to reopen or anything like that but it is important It is a twenty five dollar minimum wage so Little little stretch from you know some of the typical five ten promotion But you know we straight win bat and it's on your first horse that you bet some winds so no dutch ing no taken the field or anything like that and you hit when you get the point corresponding to the derby trail But all the way down to fourth of course just like the point so This weekend is ten four to one and a half to thank you. Know based on the numbers we usually get in these Those those force and third place finishes definitely gonna mean something. So don't miss a race and opt in twenty five to win in the for the proper aces is what sites how you enter each week. Nice i will remind and we'll start to start to look at the leaderboard as as the prep trail unwinds couple of other things. We should mention two. We introduced then. Let everybody know last week with sam. Houston getting started. There's the build your stakes day bankroll. That's going on and Tomorrow we get the first opportunity to play the sam houston space city pick sex no more jackpot To their absolute credit and twelve percent takeout fifty cent which is an interesting increment to introduce to A pick sex going to be looking forward to building the ticket Tonight when i when i start to pull it together and of course we should mention sam. Houston starting at five o'clock eastern on thursdays. So you get that late afternoon and the sequence will start at six fifty six a little before seven for the space city. Pick six no more jackpot but you that every time one hundred dollars sam houston leading up to a ladies classic day. They're gonna throw five dollars in up to fifty bucks so ten opportunities to get five dollars you'll have fifty dollars waiting for you on ladies classic night exactly. Yeah and Fifties a decent amount and the speaking of fifty. I agree with you. They threw a little bit of a curve ball. They got rid of the jackpot but also increase the minimum. And that's that's definitely going to factor in you know how the pool is played for sure because now those hundred forty four dollar twenty seven pick six tickets seventy three sixty and you know i think just knowing my own place i do and our peers and how they play steve. There's definitely that sense with the pick. Five pick four waiting for you You know i don't. I don't know that people are going to play the tickets. Maybe they should try to take down a a nice pick pot. Because if i you know miss here i can come right back and same with the pick five so i definitely think there might be interesting for those willing to suppress on the pick six and and not worry about the other two pools and that she those sorts of pets or backup opportunities One thing i'm not sure probably find out but you might now. Are they doing like naira. And it's paid out every day or is there a traditional carioca opportunity traditional carryover which seventy five seventy five percent would carry if nobody hits And the console. The console structure is twenty five percent of the pool We'll go to consoles okay. Provide additional opportunity. Our yeah and If you haven't looked yet For tomorrow you're you got an nice sequence. Actually it's ten by seven by ten by ten by eight by ten and quality wise. Quite nice you got a three year old turf. Mile starts things out a non winters a two and then it goes to a straight mile dirt allowance for foreign upsets a group of seven Deoras got a seventy five to seventy five favorite there. Then there's an a nickel claimer Non winners of to On a calendar basis goes is the seventh. You've got They're going to go a mile. You're going to go a mile with another Dickel claimer and then a seven eighths fifteen thousand nine hundred thirty. Two eight and the nightcap is a maiden special for affiliate mayors four or five year olds going a mile on the grass so the first and last leg are on the grass. And in between you've got a nice sequence very very nice Races looks like for tomorrow. And i'm going to go after it and ed we should mention. We brought you back on friday and we talked about that turf way sequence which ended up paying forty seven hundred. I mean there was one very tricky horse. The payer youths winner for forty bucks but Talk about that turf way. Action friday night. Yeah that i. That was the key. I mean it was. It was pretty forceful and obviously it seems even beyond that night with the perry bomb It's those big prices that are sticking out but you know i've i've shared with sort of the favorite percentages and things like that. There's plenty of very logical winners at turf way as well and until saturday Betting the favourite was actually a positive proposition at turf way So you know it's it's it's just a matter of finding the right place to lean in and getting creative and where your opinion strongest and unfortunately for me and my strong opinions of have not come through so it's You know some futility as of late there but you know you see those payouts and you know it's encouraging 'cause you know man. When i when i do connect it's it's gonna pay and that seems to be the case even on friday night when i thought the other four were were very habitable and indeed did but That that perry one alluded me. And it's not as if i didn't try some prices and other combinations in races that that was just one i couldn't connect the dots with and for those who get forty seven hundred for an otherwise logical sequence. Kinda pretty much. The boat of what's been going on at this year and almost four hundred thousand Ben into it as well so the number we suggested basically it and very very playable. Actually you know just so happens. Yesterday i had been colebrook on and we were talking about The horse that he and his dad sold Opening day at keeneland for four hundred and seventy five thousand the short yearling and then we also talked about his upcoming runners and the kind of a barn tour and he says that the racing at turf way has been cut throat to use that term. But he said you know he's entered some spots where he did not expect the level of competition. He said the reset the racing been really good. So that can jeff greenhill from the mac and last year. Talk about you know and turf way was really just kind of the first year of the The improvement bowing flax money etc. And you know he knew it would be tough and he posted on facebook today or yesterday. you know. He's he's over the year so far and he and i chat and i mean he basically that would have been said It's it's just a it's a totally different me. From two years ago. I mean just just a total different population and competition and We'll we'll see who's able to adapt. Because i don't think it's going to get any easier. No no well Couple of Got about two minutes couple of plays for today I don't have anything today. And i just started looking at turf way tomorrow but since our big promo kicks off the fairgrounds and i won't. I'm guessing talk to you friday. Oh well you might be back. But i d. I did want to quickly touch on the silver bullet. Day where i like. Charlie's penny Quite a bit and certainly recognize on task is the philly to be I spec super sensational. Probably take some money as well Minute walk if ricky Goes into the pocket could take them when money. But i think the value is going to be charlie penny I thought so the last race Was was good after an odd. Start and brian sticks aboard and debut granted. It was doing five. He's by race day. Out of a warriors reward mayor so mile or chee amount and seventy might be the limit. But i think there's a fast enough rate to run back to and and maybe a wake up to turn To me makes charlie's penny the play. So it's a win. Bet for me on her and underneath dot path in three deca. Excellent feel for for the lecomte yet. Yeah i'm gonna take a shot with santa cruiser. I think this is way more than just mandolin. And he's kinda marooned on the outside. So santa cruz is gonna be the place for me See if jimmy graham in gets this one gate to wire close to excellent ej. everybody eddie. I appreciate it and maybe we will not enough talk. We'll talk next week. and derosa. Everybody along with lenny. Showman sid fernando adam koenig and nick luck. Busy full wednesday. 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"Sirius xm ford's presents apple raises with steve. Big horse racing handicapping interviews. This is not always who was stupid. Very good wednesday race fans serious to nineteen. Xm off to a one and sports on nine sixty four listen to sirius. Xm online and at our website to steve dot com The the obvious story to start with the passing of prince khalid and the outpouring obviously internationally of appreciation for his role in in the sport and it it's impossible it's impossible to appreciate the the breadth of his accomplishments. I in forty years what he built and a cast of of horsemen around him and with him and bloodstock advisors and breeding advisors. Just is going to be unrivaled. It you go through the list. Nick lock is gonna join us in ten minutes at nine. Ten will have nick in and Nickel particularly offer the international perspective because we in north america we retreated to a series of of winners starting with the ones that bobby frankel authored and and most recently variety a wider variety of of trainers and i think we all have got any any number of juddmonte favorites The you know the jacket is just so familiar. And whenever you enjoyed high level racing you would encounter judd mont runners and from the breeding standpoint. I it it's going to be a Just a lasting impact in the studbook in in families. We're gonna talk about the sale today to What went on yesterday with the the dispersals. The twenty one samson mayors and Variety of pop pompous bloodstock. And the the families that the prince kali crafted Is just they're just remarkable. And i i can't. I won't even bother to launch into you know some of these accomplishments and some of the these winners that it. It's so overwhelming. I i tried to. You know. we're going to listen to some races. Certainly and this won't take Just the day They'll be there's so many people i've thought to reach out to Sydell certainly it's wednesday. So sire watch refocus brought to you by ellendale and settle reflect on the judd breeding side of things garrett o'rourke who has been with jet ma and north american management for years and years and. He asked if we could wait to visit with him next week. So we'll also get to garrett. But i thought of you know. We had that wonderful conversation last year with heatley bell and of course the the middle ridge mrs chandler and doc chandler. i thought of the thought of massat. Mustafa fash doc in who most of you know of buck remote mustapha. I'm sure could Offer a lot of thoughts and in a different kinds of businesses that over undoubtedly overlapped. And you as as as a relative to the family. So there's a number of people. I would love to hear from in. The industry appropriately offered an outpouring The just a a part of International presence that You just you could count on and There was there was never any you know there was never any complaints that you know bubbled to the surface you know. Th there's there's some owners Both domestically and internationally that that you know a have been have been known to complain or squawk the real class Presence and and i mentioned i i i can't remember santa anita i'm gotta be the nita and i found myself standing literally right behind the city. She was batting and he came back over to me and he introduced me. And i it just a a striking And and have real presence About him prince kali and they're saying eighty three but i also saw some places that said he might have been eighty four that they're not. They're not there doesn't seem to be a definitive. The specific birthdate that Seems seems seems a little murky birthday front which though that happens my grandmother we never knew we never knew if she was she she she didn't ourself at at the. She thought that she thought that there was snow on the ground when they celebrate her birthday so she had to birthday. She had a birthday in the winter. And then the birthday that you used for what became to the united states. She had a pair of birthdays. My grandmother ida. We're going to hear from leading shulman. Lenny lenny is as big a judd. Mont file as there is and he'll talk about his Turf writing experience and and behind the behind the scene stories of an interview with With with prince colleague was was lenny's was his moby dick that way more than anything he wanted a chance to have a have a heart to heart. I guess with with prince college. So lenny reflect too because sir and he also had a very good relationship very nice relationship with bobby frankel too. So there's quite a bit about the judd. Mont legacy that lenny as documented during his time. So he'll be here as well the rest of the rest of the day. We've got mentioned nick luck. We're going to talk to adam. Koenig in kentucky. The state legislature is an atom has been you know absolutely a principal in the gaming legislation initiatives in kentucky and there's new another introduction of sports wagering legislation that adam introduced late last week so We'll get an update on the hr and on sports wagering etcetera When adam joins us visit after we talk to. Nick lock said i mentioned of course lenny our three south of course will do some sure. We'll do some handicapping with south Wanna get out ahead of the return to action at sam. Houston tomorrow as well. And ed rosa gotta swing through. Of course our three this morning. So we're gonna start with nick. And i guess with sit. I'll save the. I've got quite a bit on the sale and there were after we tracked The first major hip through which was regal glory. Right after we spoke to jerry. Mclennan about the pompa dispersal and peter brant nine hundred and twenty-five thousand. Interestingly nine hundred twenty five thousand was the top fetch among the samsun mayors dance for the cause. Who's enfold twirling candy and at gains way. And so both of the dispersals there's more pombo tomorrow but The as expected the dispersals having some big some big numbers and a very interesting. I thought some interesting names that Particularly broodmares and that includes hill and dale very. Interestingly that The johnson qura secured the sisters funding the desert and deceptive vision which We'll talk about to with With sit there there's There's quite a bit that That went on yesterday So we'll get to that casey reaching for For nick and i well you know. Interestingly case i'm going to give. I'm sure it's the same number but there was for whatever. Reason knicks listing in my phone. The last i don't know month is coming up differently than it used to it. It doesn't i don't know if i don't think he's changed numbers but just in case i'll send you that for her match that up nick actually because i asked him what What race of a of a jaguar. Juddmonte great He would wanna hear and he surprised me. I'm not gonna not gonna steal steal the the thunder but he surprised me. I i offered up. You know some of the some of the legendary international types and he went. He went a different direction. So we'll we'll let him. We'll let him talk about it Joined by nick. Lock and nick certainly in his Broadcasting career has long chronicled the exploits of the judd mont operation from dubai to france throughout the uk throughout the throughout the world Nick international outpouring of respect and appreciation for prince cowan. Good morning. how are you right now. Not bad bed thought of you too. I didn't think anybody else could Adequately kind of summarize this vast legacy of four decades of of just unprecedented success. Why it's so difficult to summer icy because you think you think of some of the great horses that college has had across both continents and he suddenly realized that you might not have even mentioned the ten breath. it's it's a quite extraordinary legacy not just for the international bloodstock and the production of the of the top class in the thoroughbred but also for you and me and everybody else you have a a real passion for for horse racing. Some of the names you know absolutely color are interested in the sport and have it defined each little epoch and everyone just has such strong memories. If so many of the horses this man is produced reading compiling. the show. I was doing this morning. I'd really been doing so the field work for you. Really and finding out thoughts about prince college the man i wasn't so aware of explains why this perations mccain though successful. That's something to that. I that i thought of that and found elements that hadn't really encountered before including i thought a kind of a charming piece was that when he was when he was a young man in a student. Some friends brought him to the racetrack. I mean just like all of us. Yeah that's right. Nineteen fifty harris and he had a cosmopolitan education that took in france the united kingdom and the united states the three countries where he enjoyed majority of the success doesn't racial center alternate me and and he was taken to to race in paris and i loved it and it. It's interesting that those who he approached early on to be his advisors and those who sort of bought the seed corn for his his bloodstock empire. They didn't really appreciate the time the extensive he's vision because he wasn't a showy man i. I made the point on social media last night. He chose to style himself simply k. Abdullah on a race not his highness or prince just k- abdullah he understated man clearly. But inside there was a burning ambition to be the best and to produce the best and james taylor who was once his talk that honestly bended acrimoniously enormous regard for corporations college said he had no idea really at the time prince colored have designs on on emulating the aga khan and that's exactly what he did and some give him the given the quality of the horses that he ended up producing so it's It was very much. A transatlantic endeavor. Is john gosden. Said he sent over a lot of smart phillies to the united states from jeremy tree originally and then some of the best mass from jot whitney's found a broodmares tap broodmares. This guy howard refers to the math and he started to believe in in the female and the and the importance of the female line. The damn line of a pedigree multiple readily and quickly and a student. Then perhaps some other potent say business. I'm throwing a lot of money. Yes he bought. Berlin is he bought dancing brave before arrogate but most of his success with home bread. And it's an we talk about being a an as built by the many decades still in racing terms really cheaply young and we're talking about forty years of uninterrupted and i on alloy success exactly and not to not to belittle others accomplishments but there have been. There have been initiatives From other particularly from from the middle east that just have have not had the kinds of continuity and success that that judgment has enjoyed and there was a there was a consistency and apply to the way in which their operation went about the business. It seems to me that that up. Until bobby frankel passing and and henry i mean he. He basically had the same people around him. Just you know from for the entire breath of of the operation. Broadly speaking yes. But it's very interesting. I interviewed cricket head. Marek this morning. She trained for comment but my parents career try him. Classic winner special duty and great one sprinters like african rose many other quality horses and cook at train them. A number one is probably people wouldn't even put in that top fifty colored abdullah and horses of all time not simply house dominant is operation was but she made a number of interesting observation vessel him. It was him top. Mental and boston was his personal will the suffused tire operation. Yes they were people around him who good people around him. There were advis but that was a it was a very tight shop focus and it was driven. I the man himself until the last two years when he became on well certainly up until twenty ten twenty twelve. It was very much driven by his private passion. And he's also a lot of people that you talk to it and his intellect sharp into that he had bain with educated ran a very successful business. This this was not a simply a playboy prince. Somebody asked him once why he'd been successful and he said that while the rest of my family were playing i was working and he did enjoy himself and enjoy his his social life as a as a younger man he was clearly deeply applied to his passion which he approached in the same way that he approaches extremely successful. Business with the forensic is the detail and A very sound judgement of the people that he needed around him and the other the other point that cricket had made and and it was a point made by guy harwood because when guy with the trainer of brave and russsian warning when he retired prince carlin carried on having kyw's daughter. Amanda who at the time was one of the very few Top level female trainers in the uk and still sadly one of the very few and cricket head of course a pioneer is really preeminence female trainer in the world the match of the nineteen thousand nine hundred ninety s and cricket cell said. It wasn't always easy woman to To train for big middle eastern powerhouses and the cultural differences would often life quite difficult but she said prints colleague was obsolete. Charming almost like a father figure to and may trading and an absolute pleasure. When you hear him andre fob. who was you know. He doesn't suffer. Fools an eastern the toughest professions to thirty years. He's not going to be dishing out the compliment. Whoever is giving them too but he says when you met him he was so charming. Humble and kind. You just wanted to do well for him. I gives you an indication of how they regarded That relationship with him relic perhaps for some of the other Major ownership entities that they trained for from you know from all from all indications and one of the elements as you just reference. His you know his decision. Making and in fact Doc chandler quoted Eric mitchell's open the blood horse doc. Said what stands out for me is the interest he took in every detail. Nobody did anything for him without him. Saying yes or no. And i even and i'm even thinking conversations. I've had over the last fifteen years with with garrett. O'rourke that when i would ask about future plans. He's a well. We'll see what the boss has to say i mean he he always was was deferential and was indicating that You know that that colleague would would have input and would would direct the ship. Yeah that's right. I'm just speaking whoever you wanna talk to you get you very much. Get that sense of someone who just had a always had a quiet but sharply focused eye on everything that was going on and he's hiring. The training that he hired is the business that he did. He'd been observing quietly and then would act on those observations and then generally speaking would would back though people To the to the very end of their career its way that he the way that he supported salary sessile when cecil was down to eleven winners a year and was rock. Bottom as mentally was really. They're the most significant testament to his fundamental decency. The it success when you when you take it. Take a look at it. You know broadly. Some top line elements the the classic winners The ascot the royal ascot winners The six arcs Six breeders cup wins Pair of arlington millions of belmont beverley d. travers With hong kong vase a success the dubai world copper sheema classic and a duty free and of course the arrogate performance. Play at some point today. It it's just head-spinning this we play this game okay. Somebody's david jumped. I think from time suggested this on twitter last night. You know you play this game of your top five college. Abdullah owned or bred horses. And you'll be happy with list. And then you'll get out dammit. I forgot seven hundred and you could cannot expand that out the top ten fifteen twenty twenty-five i was thinking you know he. He had one absolutely brilliant winner of the of the dhabi at epsom in workforce. It was brilliant on his day. One absolutely brilliant hosting dancing brave. Who's confidentially payton in the race other winners of that race who who. I don't think. I don't think you'd get into the top fifty fame and Again my my memory. Oh commander chief hundred teeth boundary commander and chief with of course the spurs really. We're talking about the the the sessile train horn and then you know he stayed loyal to cecil through the foul years and they ended up with me day twice over and you know the ultimate the greatest horse of all time frankel. So that was. That was just something almost by perfect. In the way in the way the stars aligned in in the in the late year and you bring in frankel because you know it's impossible not to not to start there to some degree and and the just the magic in fact of the naming of of a horse with purpose of honoring Someone that You know that he had so much appreciation. For and i'll i'll i'll speak to the frankel side of it in a minute but you know how often the people try this gambit and the horse can't possibly live up to the level of of of of the honor in this case It it it couldn't have been more a serendipitous pairing Of of honor and honoree. It was just extraordinary. But it wasn't happens. Done judd on palm were charged with with giving that name to the call that scored best and these potlucks reading outfits and no one better organized than been jumping onto in terms of the marshalling star relatively select broodmare ban. They they knew they had a top quality fall in terms of the ingredients that they look for in terms of conformation and temperament so forth and also by galileo out of a very fast mayor and it was just when people were allies in the galileo topped onto onto fast mez might produce something a bit special so they they had a fair chance that they would be a steak source they. They couldn't possibly have guessed what he would. He would end up coming fourteen for fourteen and and the best. That is gonna clap. Tie on the i. I wasn't around to see c. Bird or secretariat. But they're the two. The names could even be mentioned. I think in the in the same breath it for for for franko himself. He was more proud of his relationship and his His role working for prince colleague as anything that that he did he he got the he he actually got the biggest kick out of it to that. You know that that colleague sought him out and the send morse's and at used to say. How do like that little jewish kid this saudi prince watts me this rain form it here. I got here saying it. it just It was it was an interesting An interesting pairing. Well case. And i've had some interesting discussions on on this program before about About racing in the middle east and about saudi arabia is it not the case for in scotland abdullah and the tribute to the being paid to him is the best possible ambassador for that country and this one of the hosts rising representative that that country could possibly have had long before any major horse racing events wherever conceived in the in the kingdom and he came he had a decency and generosity of spirit that cross cultures and is respective of race agenda and in an era. We talk a lot about About tolerance and acceptance of where other people come from everybody does then She'll we've lost someone who was in that regard way ahead of time now well put neck and he he he kind of transcended The you know the geopolitical aspects of discussion That that that is that was always evident. Yeah i just going back to you. Know rather more present about around the legacy that he's he's left on on global horse racing. You know self evident that he's he's owned and bred some of the greatest horses we've ever seen in europe and you've been talking about bobby frankel but looking at lasting legacy how did not being for for prince cards foresight and taking horses. I off from jeremy tree the golden and then to then forgiving frankel elise brilliant ex europeans then went on and did so well in the united states woods brown have been turf trainer that he is now without that without like grounded has has that completely american. He hasn't given lease of life. Which retain relatively thread-bare do we do. We have prince colleague more than perhaps anybody else to thank for continuation of that internationalization of the sports of the top level. But was you know being being pioneered by seo. And vincent o'brien for him. It's not just that he was a a rich guy came into the school and wanted to wanted to be the best. He was someone who exactly makes him. One of the most significant postal figures in the in the game. Very fair ad. That's a again a you know. Well framed one thing. Obviously that Is going to take some time to For the saddle is knowing what the future is For for the operation. Yeah i without wishing to be indelicate given the given that we're only a day off the coming up died. I did pose that question to people this morning and I was checking to john. Gosden about the on the record and and he said that there's no reason he didn't think that the granted it's the robust nature of the business that it that it couldn't continue But there's no doubt that he did. He did stress that it required extremely capital management and management driven with a real passion and interest in the whole and. There's no doubt that it is possible to continue because it almost can't fail because it's successful. There's no doubt it requires that the head of it someone who is going to drive with that same or at least have a head or a figurehead that drives it with the same passion or at least inspired with the same passion and that that i'm afraid has locked journals conceded that prince come himself. In last year's was beginning to rationalize the operation was beginning to just start trimming back certain aspects of it but the the boarding farm that the beautiful farm in war grazes second farm in the uk has has been has been sold to the to the report family from africa and One of kentucky's now the kumo it. There is a certain rationalization of it. That doesn't mean that doesn't mean one. Continue the general farms enterprise. We'll continue just with sadness. I suppose that a none of his direct descendants for all interested don't don't share that same same passion but you know it's it's very difficult to it's very difficult to imagine that any of them could have done really well and i know that i know that there's been how think i. I don't think i've ever noticed any or heard of the sons Being involved but i do know that there was either a it was a nephew or or a or maybe a son-in-law that th there there has been there has been some tangential involvement. Maybe there's somebody both print sock met on prince fahd salman Were were closer on the tip of prince. Carlin but savvy. Neither is is with us anymore. They young sex. That's right again thurber. Cool and thoughts. Some enterprises have been been dispersed over the years. So that's that's that's a great shame offense but you know we have seen in the last three or four years and very significant success for job when prince college. Yeah hand has not been possibly as actively on the tiller as it was prior to that even though as i said he still there is very much. This figurehead driving. Everybody inspiring everybody and you. Do you do wonder you know what the future holds. And he does some of some of that discussion to came when when arrogate emerged and it. It seemed at least at least here. Nick when it came to the breeding side of things that there had been some. They stood some stallions and You know visit mass than and first defense. And but it. I remember feeling at the time and asking garrett the award specifically what this was going to mean to judd mont Operation from a you know the potential to really stand a prominent stallion and then have him die. You know so prematurely And leave with just a couple of crops it it just kind of It really kind of. I don't know if a grind things to a halt per se but it it might be a very different scenario here If arrogate was was still was still alive To me it would be. It would be would really be awful to see it. Broken up you know piecemeal and sold off You know the operation broken up. I don't think it will happen. Drastic is as i think. This is a source of. This is a thank you to circle because you sound strategies right they say this is a rationalization. That's gonna take like the greenwich high generation. I don't think they're going to be any kind of fire sale. You rumors a few years ago. About big concerns. Just taking the whole thing stuck in it. I don't see. I don't see that as a as a likelihood theon you've got to remember that for all. Misfortune befell scare arrogate jug on in new markets and the world's most influential stallion most important stallions in in franco and frankel read more than more than a stallion as well is sort of living legacy legend whatever you're a reminder of you know what that's how potentially be able to do i kim minutes and it was quite striking to me this morning. That goes been even though he has recently been involved in the career of the bunch going through the naple selected. His his handling. Kingman is his favourite mobile through his career training dollar mainly because of his knowledge of the family and the fact that he put it but for parts that colored abdullah's insistence that he carry on with the female branch of the family. Who's looking literally disappoint saying at one point. Carry it on carried on gave it popped up with who goes and trying to win the I think it was the french oaks. The prince getting in the french jokes Are the ones you know straight off the back of a maiden win and then she was the dam of kingman and it had been the family of as extreme as well. So you know it's he. He sort of selected. That is sort of favorite moment in kingman often while times in that but Kingman again very important stallion With some tremendous talk on the ground now well and speaking of favorites When i've asked you and as we were bringing you on. I mentioned that You kind of surprised me. When i asked for a a specific race that you might wanna play and you know the cup. Success is Certainly is certainly a big part of the legacy and and one of my favorites Couple of my favorites probably really bank sale and and intercontinental come to mind and And then of course. Midday also was a was a winner but banks hill intercontinental were domestically campaign. Talk about the race. That you Landed right okay. So you've asked me to pick a race My favorite race but hey race to to play. Today everyone will be playing that. I don't think breaks franken's clean and frankly champions ak- frankl's international. Franco's anything else harrogate by well capo arrogates travers or empire makers belmont stakes or always streams record-breaking victory in july copper racist dreams non-core king man's victory at royal. Ascot could go on and on and on and on looking colored up donohoe's he's warning champion. Miler roussy are known fact and i bought That was a victory that i particularly enjoyed. Because i putting everything clever out about what college did internationally. And this is not the best tour de owned he. She probably wouldn't make the top fifty but she did win a braided cotton race and she did do it for bobby frankel. And the reason i put it in is told you before franken told everybody that she was an absolute. You would make two thousand eight. And he didn't mind who he told and he was right up for it and the reason he was still up for it because prince collared abdullah was going to be there and his appearances were becoming fewer and further between but he knew he was going to be there. He wanted to deliver him breeders cup winner and although they teamed up with intercontinental before this was a different ballgame this was a affiliate arrived in america with no kind of reputation and he turned into a synthetic but he tender into champion. But this has been here in the first ever running billion match sprint. And it was a beautiful because she was a product generations of breeding. She'd gone from europe to america and she'd gone from the daughter of the trainer of dancing. Brave guy harwood. Amanda parrot bobby frankel the man after whom greatest tool ever had was named. So i if. I was to try to embody everything that was good and clever about up the and they brilliant judgment one of the best trainers that he employed it would be this and if you bet then you never had any doubt from the moment. She left the gate. Here's trevor denman. The two thousand and eight philly and mayor sprint to of just a little awkwardly in nyc never since was slow to begin law from the outside gate and dearest trixie down at the very fast. Now there goes to these two between those two and yet comes indian blessing. One from the riles mcgregor's right. They're lining up six across the track. Dream rushing the white cap going up third. they've been followed by ladies sprinter. Who can't go along those speed six of the minutes jazzy. Elemental written along to keep her position is now eight sofa felina. And here's jira quite fallback. She has the pink captures eleven over the latest in tangier inside of another six back to miraculous miss and magnificence hopelessly plagued got to be a good twenty-five filleted past three eighths go now on the latest dearest trixie dearest trixie but indian blessings breathing down your neck and indian blessing now coming looking laid third then dream rashawn t and now comes venture big white face on the grandstand side and then tune has got data on cheese flying in tanga rubio joined on without indian blessings to dig deep and find more because yes then to rock and then terror in indian blessing but watched sun turn nineteen coleman scrum tura and garett donuts on on the day. Ben to run rum's indian missing was finished and the right. Get what she wants. She reached the leader. indian blessing. It didn't take. But a jumper to to go on by and draw off under garrett gomez and. I'm glad you mentioned the aspect nick about the fact that bobby knew that the prince was going to be there because that must have been the. I knew there was one of the breeders cups at santa. Anita where i where i met him and it must have been that It must that must have been the one try. Didn't think he was gonna win class. No he was less confident. That was out But yeah i was. I thought it was just a little thing but you know way down way down. The pecking order of great moment. I just thought it was a neat one. That probably nobody else mentioned this morning so It was nice. It's nice to be able to hear it again. And i'll just look at just remember frank face i just the look. If sheer delight he was standing there on that podium with with collin abdullah. Yeah who's a special moment for the great gary go well now that the the fact really that that all three are gone That kind of comes into focus as you say that frankly between bobby and and gomez and and now prince kali well they. I mean there's so much here and The tributes will continue to pour in and i would recommend everybody listened to nick's show today which was was pretty much a a tribute show. You brought a parade of Of voices yeah i. It's it's news is germane to everybody. Who who loved this for and Prints being unwell for very long time so perhaps wasn't a huge surprise. That city died yesterday but still it. It's a it's a show sufferings hearing enterprise and the tweets of that has seventy people So yes it's been. I mean. I wouldn't have been able to talk to you today the way that we've talked without knowing a little bit more and and it's been it's been such in education hearing from some of the all time greats. You know baffert saying how he felt like. I like bathroom. Who's who's trained. Goodness knows how many great one when it and you think well. What's really going to get him. Get him going counter to the start and the idea that you know story told us in the post parade and feeling you got when he saw when he saw a remember. Who was the jockey. It could have been going in fact in the in the abdallah silk for the first time and You know what a special feeling gave him you. You hear people like creek ahead. Drake fob saying he was the kind of man you just wanted to make him happy and true legends of the school completely humbled by their association with it really was amazing and i really really loved hearing about ninety days. It's about free college of mine. And how he was around. London comparison the seventeen and eighteenth from guy with it. And james taylor. So yeah i. I didn't come on your show. Plug my own steve. But if anyone fair our a spent hours and then yet. My daily podcast. This morning is is Is i mean it's certainly perhaps west west consideration now i'll send The link out As we wrap up and you know we're we're as we take a break and the break actually will be race I i'm just before you just before before i go. Can i just pass on if anyone. It doesn't listen. doesn't have time to stand. Read you the message that i received last night from John magnet when i asked him about college of course he he replied and just simply said amount of his word. Gentlemen always did what he said he would do. Obviously he's record in bloodstock speaks for itself and never ever at anybody else's expense. We'll be stopped. Missed a basic A a reflection that is being repeated in worldwide the as we take this break neck And you can listen or or you may have heard it already. This morning but I'm surprised that we went a half hour and enables name did not come up Which just tells you everything you need to know But we're gonna we're gonna listen to enables Second arc and You know she she was magical and and you know frankel is somewhat of a distant memory to some degree at this point but enable i think is still fresh in everybody's mind here is that's her that's all right. I i thought you're gonna play that. Yes i mean. Absolutely i think had it in any other era. Perhaps you know we wouldn't have had the last couple of years but my goodness they were very school in keeping in training. I think actually Even though you couldn't rate number one as a in terms of absolute merit. I think that was so much about her. Breeders cup victory. Was you in many ways. Her her most criticized performance Just she'd had an injury. She came back. She had the real hot race in the hawk. And then to bounce back off that and do what she did. She owed nobody anything after that. She was The wonderful enable the arc. Nick luck everybody neck We'll talk again soon. Hopefully under a happier backdrop. Thank you very much. Dave pleasure is. They lied stolz. Ceo immediately grabs hold. James doyle takes those towards the back of the field. As early on nelson cuts out the early pacing company with japanese raider clincher patches and capri also racing in handy position defoe andrea at zina's adopting the frankie dettori golden horn tactics and sodo outweighed at the moment currently in midfield hunting horn races on the outside of shade of study of man and then with big white faces. Talismanic enable has settled just behind the speed in fourth place in the pink cap as nelson caught southie fraction so nelson who leads from capri defoe is gonna sideline and we'll do so roundabout to share of second. Place enable on the outside of the japanese cult clincher then towards the outer is hunting one tie bearing races in midfield and companies with patches. Go and study of man. Sally winds in midfield the white cap of cloth of stars then talismanic way to paris. Val geist has about five behind they include cf clauses one from the back in company with magical louis doors at the back as well in company with the grade nerve boston q. Gardens purple cap is also towards the tail so the complete this long run around the back straight a now the turns begin nelson into the first of the leads. By a link from capri in second devos still held three wide enable genetic tracking to the pace on the outside of clincher then hunting home with tiberius scored midfield from study. A man behind those talismanic on the inside valve guys. Next nerve boss. Five matteo with gardens until two from the back of searfoss nelson is upping the ante here capri to like spat defoe and they will still poised frankie dettori sitting quietly in a sheriff third place then behind these shot by trump patches then hunting horns nelson was really set in the race down the full strength leads from capri naval. He will still travel strongly. See if classes as long long way back out to from the back full of holes but where would he. the riott goes nelson leads from capri franken torian up poise the lady-in-waiting as they hate towards the two hundred meter dog in april and capri plus too then sally type c of cloth. He's my well for the peeled off to see all the way through with public to too late well but also he's still got just but i got my t cloudy allied and niveau c. plus was coming with every stride china's for new the whole every. Cat frankie look stop. He looks a little worried. Maybe this time he doesn't need to be able to be closed on by see if there wasn't much left in the nine behind those in third was crop stars. That's the big shot put tells. The story enable joins. The pantheon uprights the jaw when a but boy. What a female finale. A searfoss came home. Strongly now enabled second and her second arc and we play the breeders cup as well. We played the breeders cup. Not not that long ago as it happens I i can't remember what the right. what was the what. The context was I appreciate nick. Lock and obviously with the show with the hour that he did this morning. of his own Podcast did he had put considerable considerable time against Discussion and Some of the back story Involving the prince khalid and and we'll hear from From others including lenny sheldon in the next hour right now. Happy to get Adam koenig back on the show and there was a little bit of a conversation on friday with matt. Hegarty did touch even though we were extensively talking about He saw I did ask him about the hr status and then over the weekend. The news came that In in really kind of answering governor shears call on the legislature to be creative and and get this taken care of Adam koenig to represents erlanger in the legislature introduced a bill on saturday and adam. Happy new year first of all. Thanks steve happy new year to you and all your listeners and give everybody The the basic status i of the hr portion. I mean we'll talk about the the sports wagering but what what basically in the fallout Going back to the supreme court the kentucky supreme court's ruling about hr what has transpired since. And what are you and everybody in frankfurt confronting well. What's transpired is I live five minutes from turf way and basically You know they've torn down the building and They were planning on just started the re-build and that is halted. It's been halted for a couple of months now while they wait to find out what's going to happen with this ruling The lawyers are doing their best to You know ask for rehearing. And if that doesn't happen with three court really did was just remand it back to the franklin county where frankfurt is um circuit court because it really only touched on one of the types of machines. But you don't know that we don't know if that's gonna take a while we don't know if they're going to say well yeah it. It really affects all the different types of machine so everything is currently running as it was beforehand but construction stopped at turf way And everything's kind of on hold and frozen Meanwhile we've been working on figuring out Language to Pass something here in the house and and trying to build support and work to make sure that this is something that will Continue on and That we can expect Hopefully no change and allow these Companies like church ellen keeneland ellison kentucky downs and the rest of them To continue to utilize this to continue to make key horse capital of the world so obviously as a signature industry it special attention and there's there is such a narrow group involved here in in that from ongoing basis that that has fought to against a historic horse racing equipment out versus the people that benefit from it You know throughout the state and and of course the competitive i mean the story has been a fabulous one for competitive balance. You know given what kentucky was facing between pennsylvania and an indiana and west virginia and then out of nowhere. Ohio suddenly kentucky was surrounded by you know states with advanced gaming options that was enhancing the purses at at all venues surrounding the state and so the hr equipment that started at kentucky. Downs was was just instrumental in slowly and steadily leveling the playing field and it improving the prospects of the year round circuiting kentucky. Because of the money spread to alice and then keeneland churchill began to change their approach. And what went on at the red mile and and on and on i mean. It's been a phenomenal success. And it hasn't hurt anybody except the this this group that kept pushing in a legal challenges What's what's what's the frankfurt temperature right now adam in terms of of you know rectifying this and and not just rectifying but expanding potentially you know you you've been pushing the sports wagering option Then there's certainly been discussion about full-fledged gaming in the state what gives us the sort of the tick list of projects. Well yeah and i. I kind of compare the support for hr to the sport for sports. Wagering and i found that bill Last week For third year in a row. I've had it but I'm much more optimistic about the hr passage that. I am sports wagering no. I'm talked to multiple house members In the last few days who see a difference They see current jobs That would be affected if we didn't pass this. They see the investment And we're able to make the hr issue Not as much of a gaming issue as Jobs and especially agricultural jobs which is been very effective. And and i've kind of the leader on that since i come permit urban area and haven't ever gotten up in the morning and my stalls or done anything like that My cohort matt cook. Who is just got to do a second term and own chauhan farm and in bourbon county. Which has produced Senior deuce cadore by the way as well as runaway ghost and mutual gustav He's able to talk to these rural legislators who generally are not a fan of of gaming and talk about the jobs that come from agricultural people probably even in their district Who may know and may not even understand that. They're providing hay and wood chips and timber and all this other stuff that goes to support the horse racing and i think that's really been effective and Making some folks understand that They they have people who whose jobs are dependent on it even if they don't have a track in their district so I'm feeling better but you know the family foundation is the group that has been opposing. It and i've seen this before. People are for it until a family foundation gets all the baptist preachers wound up and they go to town in the pulpit and you know The the phone calls emails come from their constituents and the tax i've had last year my sports wagering bill who said they're not just acting neither texting my spouse and asking my spouse. They asked me not to support your bill so you know right. now i'm feeling good I'm cautiously optimistic. What's the timing structure on this. I mean when when things have to have to be addressed our eight a thirty day session and Today is supposed to be the last day where we will kind of journey and come back on february second to really start hammering out the last Twenty two days of our legislative session. And so we've been working with the stakeholders mainly the tracks. Obviously but also some of these providers of these machines and trying to come up with the right language. I think we're close It's been a joint effort and a lot of that's kind of been done over my head. I think we might start the bill in the senate. And if so. I hear that that might be senator shekel who is my counterpart For the chairman of the licensing and occupations committee over in the senate and he represents spoon county and has turf way in his district. So But you know that's that's not a final decision. Those decisions are made above my head. but They can get it over here. I think they can then You know i will do my best to chevrette at through ear and make sure we get get it across the line but everybody kentucky who is listening needs to contact their legislators multiple times and tell them how important it is and The jobs that will be lost. If we don't get this done what In terms of the provision explain explain the process in in in the kentucky is fifty fifty plus one. Oh as far as getting pass. Yes yes we just need. It doesn't even have to. I don't know if it's going to have an emergency clause if it's emergency clause and we need your fifty points one if it doesn't have an emergency call and we can just A majority of those voting basically But at least forty percent of the of the membership interesting so we could technically pass it out of the house. with forty members with the majority of those voting interesting so in other words Some some there could be abstentions And so that You know some of the dog patch. Representatives could go home and not Raise ire right solution. But you know it's still going to take a majority of the majority is as we say so but you already have a majority and committee committee on committees. I liked him. Well you know we or short hands around these. Well i you know. I. it's obviously. It's bipartisan Issue it's it's an issue that that really is statewide You know there's even the prospect for that That eastern kentucky Track harness track that has been has been floated for is that is that ashland here ashland. Actually it is. I think Corbin which is not too far. You know maybe ten fifteen twenty miles. North of the tennessee border the the the the map. The map is is consulted very very carefully when it comes to building anything do anything that can lower over the border right. Indiana pulled that stunt years ago Across the river from from the bill. So it's funny how that works out of. That's pretty very well. The part of this is getting things. moved ahead on on you know the new turf way You know we talked to chip bok at the beginning of the meat and you know from a from a racing standpoint. The meat is going fabulously. Well i mean the. The racing has been terrific So from that standpoint but getting the new building up You know every every day week month. That's the late at like to get things back started again. Yeah absolutely now. They do have a simulcast facility in newport and you know where that is and That has some of the machines in it that's that's helping feed The the person who's right now. And it's i've been i've been there a couple times and very other people say every time they go past that it's packed. Solid is packed. Solid can be with the restrictions on attendance so You know there's a market there and and they will. I think they're planning to keep that open even when turf way between the two they'll have close to two thousand of those machines it There's a bright future obviously but This has got to be you know this has got to be smoothed over and not to the satisfaction of the legalities. Well adam as always appreciate you know your interests than and you've been a great friend To racing interests in northern kentucky and throughout the state So we'll we'll follow this and you know good luck the rest of the way and let me know if there's anything i can communicate thanksgiving i'll do so not at all adam koenig everybody who represents erlanger northern kentucky and the district In and around in and around florence and that whole in fort mitchell all the old some of the old stomping grounds mentioned newport and covington. And it's actually a wonderful part of there's so many great kentucky it's amazing actually when you think about it. How many different with the makeup is really of kentucky. I mean i. It can be very urban when it comes to the two big cities northern kentucky has its own special feel and then only been through paducah once but that part i mean eh. I told you that when i worked for cannon mills used to used to go through london and manchester the island creek coal company used to we used to sell towels and the on the map that would be on the map. It might be eighteen miles and it will take you an hour and fifteen minutes before the ready. Serpentine roads through. You know through mountains a amazing an amazing part of the covered all through there. And then i think about it. I i've been. I've been to should really make a mark with little little little push pins how many parts of kentucky i've i've been through in fact that the roses on later his His wife is from. She's from i think she's from either manchester or london. She dog patch down there. That that Feds listening il. I'll i'll remind me to ask of actually write that down its. I'm almost positive that he has said that. His wife's from down there. I think we got sick. Said good morning said Spent a good part of this past hour with nick. Lock and Hard not to start Sire watch pedigree focus brought to you by hillsdale hard not to start it without Discussing prince khalid and the legacy that he is crafted with jon. Bon yeah tremendous. Why is intriguing really unbelievable accomplishments in a forty year block of time and you know in classic winners great one when it was year Incredible broodmares and get influential stallions. So you know it's it's say regular. That's pretty amazing. When you think about it because over forty period of time it seemed like there was never any. Yeah any role. And that's kinda rare isn't to every every longtime breeder. Has you know ebb and flow. Then he like this operation Consistently on go. Never really you know. Down and francis. Karen had a tweet every day knowing liked it and i when i looked at it of amazed by because i guess it just speaks to not only the skill of checkmark can mr caleb garage. He was known circle. That's how i remember him when he first came up. Just cab laura but Her tweet pointed out that you know. I think i think he had like twenty seven zero pm. Classic wins and and she pointed out that we those plus an arc or one on the kids is the two thousand guineas first win in nineteen eighty with known. fact that's the way that Establish new yorkers queued and Known fact that put up that was that was its first practically winner of the nineteen eighty and now we come to two thousand twenty and that's forty period. He had these. He said special duty who Was put up in the one thousand guineas and the french one time he wants to faxes with special rudy quest. I need you know. He didn't need the gifts they set from. Nineteen eighty all the way to two thousand twenty which is Just here in aired an irish two thousand guineas wondering fifty you know So the beginning to the end was bookmark. Classic winners and And back you know a terrific operation and and yet he benefited in free classic than an arc and most people will be lucky to win one of those rights that you know that part of it the forty years which in in this business and in this endeavor is really not a huge period of time and essentially starting from scratch. That's other thing it's not like it's not like he received the you know a handful a starting point of broodmares and and went on with it and made some good decisions. I mean he crafted this from from zero right dive into the business And you know obviously started buying his first and you know Part series and then they went to to stab and established firms In the early eighty on both sides of the atlantic in fact them jug mont that he bought here Which i think nineteen eighty two. That was a house. Make farm that was owned by a german gentleman. I see well big industrials by the name of dr herbert snack. He's not only owned. Got to stop them out. Only on this property which he had called the layers. Barrera rare farm. Not to be confused with william woodward's belair studying now and this is in lexington dr Snap not only own backfire. But he owned several other funds and to can Mr bill purchase all his assets including the land as well as the marriage. There's a marriage on the properties and portfolio of stallion seasons. That came along with it now. Dr snapped up. I'd be extremely wealthy. Man made a huge property to sell. All of that. They've got to snap by. The right side was off to call owner with nelson bunker. Hunt of acceler back to snapped had bought into Vibe but at any rate he collected all the time about the early eighties the blue period you know he's instead of all the top horses Anything kentucky brome all of them and so When conceptual bob that you have that access more importantly though some of the man's that he had The doctor snap to have that. He guided the purchase. The you know turned out to be marriage one of them. Fleet girl by habitat Since like the fourth dama and enable and fringe. Sure you know so you can see the you could see the the returns then that he got not only from the ran but from some of the stock purchase around the same time he also bought Some of the horses that john. Hey with me had John hay whitney obviously jock whitney Whites the owner of with the sister and originally what. His mother helen. Hey with greenpeace stud. And this is another important Part of Prince outdoors acquisitions and and Relationships he bought. Johnny whitney like a lot of americans operated europe and he had his european operation. was called back and limited go back into limited and one of the mayor's that John he had was stage door. Johnny maher rock shaft stage. Johnny green tree product spread green tree. Bayrock theft which purchase is. I have to look it up at the fourth dam of franken with that very good yet. Another case right one point we also just as importantly beckon the main beckham probably know that has the the training places ajami tree jeremy the jock trainer in england in fact With me one the banking keypad and guinea with coq call only for white was trained by jeremy tree well when bill but jock whitney mares especially beckoned limited mayors. He also got that association. Jeremy tree who is one of his first strenuous. So you know There's all these relationships to trace back the wings that are dying these horses bought some mares from robert sangster that have have had incredible Staying power and collective you know generations of jenin home breads howen cores slightly dangerous bought. Of course that's a warning His home bred group on winter from the stallion known sack right. Because i mentioned what's is first classic winner problems. I group one winner doing three or And you know you know. There's so many there's so many Stakes winners and having the numbers digging which if you look at you know What they're saying. Take one hundred to raise two hundred eighteen gene one winners and two of them were home homegoods even as wechat being the junk bond website has had a hard time keeping track of us mentioned that Two thousand seventeen enable became the farms twenty fifth home g one winner classic winner and then they went right to keep twenty and said that siskind twenty one dollars. Two thousand became the twenty six but between a nasal kevin tiv and since two thousand twenty was logistician in two thousand nine hundred. Ninety one thing major. He didn't even those that are come out and people looking at the website. They continue to carry that. They can't even they can't even keep track of their own top performers it can. I've always wondered just happened during the rise of a when people were talking about How mr bill would have ranked his top choices. And when i was on twitter i had hazard add hazard a guess that he would beat. It will be franco number. One and number two and then enable an arrogance and i think it wanted to get my tweet way and they gotta announced. The passing is Prince outdoor. I think it puts down in that order which which i think is right. Franko dancing brave. I mean when you get a horse dancing brave. You'd never sink dancing. Brave is the group on each the type of horse that you think you know one of those once in a lifetime and come up with a franklin after that is coming and then you know have enable after that you know inbetween arrogant arrogant. An bench of bay by the way. We're also tours ready purchased right so not everybody. You know not only would be able can have home breeding success. He had some incredible and successful purchases dissolve birch to now. And you know the there. There's a few I thought there were some really notable elements that that Eric mitchell's owed it didn't he. It was it was it you know. And you know when you've got access obviously you got access to garrett and and to chandler and you know so and as well as the gajah quote ray said which was you know not to not to jump in on you here but i wanted to article. There's one quote in particular. He said john gosden after going to a modest guy and easy to find. Gentlemen online that said did not like to lose and crosses hard exactly y- the the the portion of his his willingness to stick with Families to that he if he believed in in a family and and granted you know in recent years as nick mentioned And as we discussed at the time in fact as was addressed by garrett o'rourke in discussions with us when he paired you know when he pared back there were there were very few. That seems like they've made very few mistakes. And it's funny curse to me to bring this back up the the empire maker experience what what transpired with him and remember said at the time we wondered about him you know being exported and then brought back and you know it it. It just felt like If he if he saw something in it particularly in the mayor's he he eventually would would extract something productive and and that lead to more success. The success bhagat success. I mean you. We're we're gonna talk minute about what went on yesterday. Keeneland with the samsun and pompa dispersals. And you know you see you see it there too. You see families and you know and and family trees I mean the influence that the decisions that have affected They're they'll they'll be part of a breeding internationally forever. I it's that's what's amazing the way he was able to harmonize things. You know Inter introduce different bloodlines The positive effect and yeah not interesting point about you know when he showed that pie maker and actually serving that an opportune time extract. The best possible price brand step time. They've got a lot of money the horse and then of course just your years. No but month that brought him. It was a partnership of all rights Don alberto and gained weight. I bought it back but jeb mind would sellers is and and they would you know operate. Pretty financing of they were very fiscally responsible and You know at that point. They realized that the stallion although you know these going wasn't producing like european classical that they looking for and kinda money at the time made sense when they sell something. You should always follow What they're doing. And i'll take a really good example of it was when everybody was backing a big thing about hidden. Scroll which horse the horse who made you know everybody straighted. But that was when he appeared. I noticed it judgment. Which is this is when he wanted his big race in. You know. it's the talk of the next coming of you. Know whoever you know jug mont had been selling the family Just getting out of this force real quickly. Getting out of everything related to him. In fact they sold the damn for only seventy five hundred dollars In that january in the november sale when when hidden scroll Was a yearling. It was selling all sisters to and even bill You know bill. Modern his crew really liked the horse. did not have confidence in kind of ironic that quarterback for them that way and then they finally did sell the horse steve. They've got the most money possibly gets twenty thousand for him. Yeah that's true that's very true. I wanna i wanna bring up one. Probably springing this on your little bit but When i when i look through the list of the winners and their you know their accomplishments the there's one horse that the one a couple of nice steaks but wasn't wasn't you know wasn't the biggest star in in the in the judd mont galaxy but he represents what makes jug mont so unique and special and that's danehill it for for starters. You know having the you know the the savvy to reach for dancing with the mare with rosanna and getting a nice horse that won his one one stakes I don't know. I don't know if he's a group one winner but you know you're winter. Yeah look okay. But then what he what. He affected subsequently. And it's obvious that that you know the khalid wanted dan's the that he recognized that that dan's it would be a valuable son of dancing would be a valuable addition to the to the program and then manages to go out and sire over three hundred stakes winners to. I'm glad you brought it could daniel. Because it's an interesting case study in poor judgment and it and it points to a few things have been a part of their about one and of course. The band was of the hottest towards in the eighties Kind of one of the odyssey's lifetime but particularly coming up and So that part is interesting because that You know that they recognize the importance of dandy but the important another important thing about danehill. Dan he was very closely inbred palmer. The damn northern dancer hits his own third damage town. That is Danehill zone third. Tomah and Because it's dan did you had you know he's been there so the net effect is tweet. Tweet inbreeding problem. Which is the top part of the pedigree. Dancing and the bottom part of the pedigree with dan. Jonah and so two inbreeding. That he had in mind proceed with is a story so that that brought that into play early on with judd my they would do they would. They would use close reading. Sometimes when other leaders weren't rather thing is gain held with the horse like Empire mate there that you know they sold sold into coolmore so they never and Just i just like didn't stand dancing. Brave either dancing brave believe stood at Down the hall to the for mohammed So they were always willing to sell horses and used gain health frequently and so am benefited from him. Because we've got so many Top stakes winners by bidegain particularly from their marriage showing Now that Things come out of this. They also had a very close relationship after this with more. And if you go to coolmore in ireland. As i did a few years ago. And they're shown you around they'll show you want to call it. The judge mine near park have all kinds of good question that the that the board suggest my because what what happened. The is mine has an interesting relationship with cool. More where jack mind will put up. The mayor's so good to be becky galileo and like the old sixes and how they do with their stallion bold ruler and of course secretary when those with the tannery family were china. We put up the marriage and then to get one in january. Another same thing has occurred with with With cool more particularly with galileo and also really would salaries well if you look at court for example that was That was a horse that junk bond bread but didn't race and so they have so much the golf able to get access to other stallions by using the power of the boomer band to Recall more meetings with galileo and so forth. now that three five fifteen parts of i mentioned danehill If you look at pedigree of able to the most recent superstar you'll notice Another very close leading here. If you if you bring it up yourself. You'll notice that enables by nathaniel was To colorado out of mayor by sadler's well she didn't even closer tweet by to see that type of clothing reading that absolutely. Yeah so you know. They've been daring breeders a lot of ways sometimes and look at this. Near by the way They use nathaniel not wannabe standing galileo with particular made. And that's the that that's been that's really been part of what's in evidence that If if if it wasn't if it was something that he needed to augment the program he was he was quite willing to do it. And i just it's been we're gonna talk to lennie next schulman lenny. You know has been off the operation you know for his entire turf writing career. It's always been his. You know his one of his favorite topics. We've discussed it before and They they just the so much to admire about the the way He he did this and As i ask nick We'll talk about it with. Garrett rourke next week concern about you know where they go from here and how the obvious that you know. Obviously there's no replacing prince kali. It's always one of the things that happened. You know going operations. Go from one generation to the other now eric mitchell article so the first time really i read have you did where Dr jan talking about Two of sons where our family interested in this operation so As far as concerned they're going to keep going with it. I mean that's what they say now but again. You never know. One generation go next and so forth With the shape of the operation if doesn't exist will continue to be You know challa dart at any big pharma to the year you know if you go back through history and you can chart progression. I mean a week. Be stable You know gladys to. I've been set. I'd be built fifth the fifth family. Stable right now with you know day You know going back you know. We just talked about green trade same thing. Helen hayes with me and her husband paying with me. It started getting truth. Which then became helen hayes with her son and daughter joan payson and jock me which later became green tree with charles pace after joan. Payson died and jack. Betsy jots wife and then it became betsy and went out. And so you know the gameboy any you know. The idea is how how having dynasty generation to generation and what storm bill just that the next generation and and and and and so forth you know same elmendorf. We talked about last week You know Jay wright there his sent to live there and his wife gertie widener then when she died it went to three maybe three then sold The fun part portion of song to think of veal and sam could stella radical a couple of years and then sold the clock who brought them indoors back to glory. Serve you know years until he died. In jack kente cook bought it. He had a run with it and then The farm was purchased by the uh. What you answering. And there's only right now but the bears are sold stone side which spent more than darlie binds donor side. And so you know. There's all sorts of things when you go back and look through history about what could happen. I in what you would hope that. Stability son Took an interest as dr jan january. It noted and and and keep going or some of the coming aim right and You know that would be outstanding but you get the feeling that at some point some of these you know it's it's somebody's passion and one one guy runs it and then when it goes to the heirs now you have this case safe. It's two sons then you know their family and you can just see anything. How stuff you know down. The road said In addition There's there's there's a lot. Actually i more than more than we have room for but i i did in proximity the sale results yesterday and and given that we're talking you know the kinds of families that uh judd mont has fashioned Should touch on yesterday's results at at keeneland and As as expected very strong numbers out of On the strength of yesterday of the to dispersals samsung and paul pompous holdings Some very interesting things I don't know if we will spend a lot of time on here today but I thought that some of the names that you know got involved in the you. Talk about the twenty. One mayors from samsung has been really honing their Broodmare band for for you know three generations. Essentially i noticed you know addition to gains way buying dance for the cause for nine hundred and twenty-five Johnson sikora and hill and dale bought sisters which which caught my eye right away. The two daughters i of the spinks deceptive vision nine hundred thousand and in the desert She's in full to candy reid and deceptive visions in full to warfronts. So they get you know. They get the benefit of those babies Funding the desert was five hundred and thirty thousand so John adding to the broodmare band significantly with those two and there were also three other daughters in the in the sale of misty mission That went in different varieties and one of those said the most expensive mythical mission who's enfold to american pharaoh. He went for five hundred. Seventy five thousand Shema kobi farm Buying mythical mission and that got me to thinking about a purchase of theirs in november. They bought the sister to the two sisters that john bought desert ride shema kobi also bought so they've reached into this samsung farm for two different strains of the family right. That's a good detective work. Your part it's it's the it's the blackhall it's it's it's the rabbit hole when it comes to this stuff. I feel into that computer. Yeah oh my god she kobe. Computer your laptop here. You wanna gone through and during a forensic analysis great well and you know the shema kobi is represented in in the us polo green rocky. Right the norrie iraqi nobu not nori nobu noble nobuaki who has got a kind of a full service farm. And so yeah. I'd i'd found this. I found this interesting And when it came to paul pompous families and and produce peter. Brant stepped up as we mentioned yesterday. As we're wrapping up regal glory is gonna stay in training with chad and There also was proper mad that Peter bought as well and Moyglare jumped in. They bought beautiful lover for six fifty. You know there's a story After the sales over. I'm going to get phil shown on the show and fills a very interesting guy In in a lot of ways he he reads the while. I didn't selling to so much because you'd be on your better on my. He's pushing a price point determine or determined. Staten appoint determine listened to happening since november. I was giving. Were you know they were going way. Above it and i go back and look at you. And you're bitter and determine stunning showing cell in fact Talking to bernie sanders have to remember ceilings on one mary bidding. You know you have to pay five six hundred for horses. Something with you know got into you know. Been conscious to think. Costa million for for that because of shelling sale so that's interesting development on the on the On the bud sak landscaping effect. I just texted somebody yesterday. On some mares that i given price estimates on that were well about when i said the find that show though either one or push the price up on the other. So that's an interesting development in the in the in the bloodstock ground right now. I want filtered to talk about. They've been very active and We'll find out what their what their goals are. And how they're you know who who's involved and what the plan is One guy who sold his business maryland And then he started exactly. Is that a plot of land that they maybe determined stud and They you know. They invented a million dollars for one and so There's one guy collecting america's twenty marriage. It's nice well. This is one of those things about the about the industry that is always interesting. And the when when there's ebbs and flows and market dips. There's no shortage of people that use it as an entry point and You know it it. It's why there's so many so many operations out there that you know that managed to weather every storm they they know there's going to be ups and downs and but that there's going to you know that they'll be you know. Ideally there's people that come in and take up take up the chase take up the the mantle. So i'll i'll get phil sick story anxious and i'm happy for me. You know phil. We'd last time we talked to him. he he made a little news because the the feeding program he crafted and he was essentially growing his own feed and and processing fee which which was novel and very very bright and interesting. So look forward to that. Finally said Rounding it out. I knew we would end up going forty five today because there was just too much your your experience with lemon drop kid who Was pensioned this week. And you know a total outcross a wonderful ray source stout King mambo and seattle slew. family on the female side. There was a lot to like and admire about Lemon drop kid. It's funny because You know i normally don't do these type of zoom same on on horses but range has been called stallion cash every year and they get people to get on video or well this year they because of the pandemic but i agree to do it for lemon drop kid. Unfortunately you know. I've done it. And then he retired extent to help. I was caused that but Anyway I chance to speak about it and and You know the worst. That was really a favorite mine. And the fact they had actually scheduled to stand in prescribe thousands of here which is incredible value. And it is always get you know nine one winners ninety seven black type winners Tremendous broodmare sire. Yeah he also got a a two year old. Mom newly turned three-year-old the triple crown trail in japan. Lemon top one You know they're not black type races but grow to the derby races in japan. He's one i think he got pointing gleaming point getter so far. Any dog by darling. Japan so You know this is the worst that Last year had some really good horses and like an old. Gore's that gordon getting anything. And now he's media family of eight. Andy share the same female family and on top of all that he. I've usually the belmont stakes. They represents a lot one scanner you know obviously wanted. The belmont takes parts a lot of stamina doors. He's not a key. Member line of mr prospector is really Rare in this country except to him. However in japan going back to japan leaving ireland they're living is gored. Canelo who is the son of king. A senate king member so that king mabbutt line very very powerful japan to and Ironically it's powerful in japan which country that prides itself on stamina. But it's it's through. Inspector lord can kinda roll was different outstanding spencer now ward canelo desire common died the highest rated horse in the world. I believe these rankings. But you know she obviously stayed fire and So it's it's it's a it's a great line. And now that he's gone and out of as astounding. The daughters of this horse are going to be important. he's already had y- know top boomer. If kentucky oaks and daughter clemens forever or the kentucky booth marriage year two years back. She cuisine be gam of eclipse champion forever and bridal their full sister. Invite them forever. And you know Lemon drop kid. The mare sired franco g one for the gun third without the role standing in europe. This year it's a line that goes extremely while with the sadler's wells galileo and it's a very very poor to very poor horse led by the series sarraj and kilroy and You know cabos did and lanes in eighteen eastern darian. And he did he represents you know A very very notable rear and louis collapsing legacy always fan starting starting with his racing career. And you know and then it just one of those one of those types that just Got a steady parade of winners And and you know and and could get even last year you know. You took an old horse and this had the canadian cracks. Goerner bala check who You know do your old last year He had a good Co would be She'll pass you know that cold. He was a three year old one. I took a couple of races and gravy rates in kentucky. And as well as on terry derby he also had that seven year old french group to on her last year. Read verdon and he's got a seven-year-old way to fans he's got the source reference reported last year lemon ta you know one one could japan that kentucky points race Yeah he was the horse that was still you know cooking and you know have been not retired in this year He was definitely much as horse for that price. I mean the source that seven percent of black type worse from seoul this is an extremely high percentage I compare that to the horse lemon at lane. Quality rose hundred and fifty thousand while he wrote get seven percent. Black kept his phone talking about pretty pretty high-class reminds me if there's an equivalent right now it's probably midnight lute but night route it's just unbelievable value keeping talking about him forever then in and to ranked at real. I am general with some last year. I think like number twelve or something you know which you know. Put them actually worked fine quality route. Fifteen fifteen thousand get it. Yeah just fifteen thousand. And i don't know how full yet that might be oldham gaming. We're getting. it is january. We should mention said it's january thirteen and we're four weeks exactly four weeks away from stallion bars opening and The and the and the babies are dropping next week. Maybe we'll start to get a rundown on some of the the early babies and we've actually got a few retirement late retirements that. I do want slip in next week but we had a full dance card today. Really this was great. And i appreciate The extensive deep dive on judd mont and more and the sale and said we'll remind everybody sire watch pedigree focused brought to you by hill and dale and work thoroughbred consultants as your as your mayors are delivering and you're making evaluations broodmare. Compatibility analysis five one. Oh four nine. Oh oh seven Work with said not at all in roger and get you Get you ready We've got round season coming up. Said i'll talk next week. I appreciate it all right. Great great week said fernando. Everybody follow sire. Watch on twitter. Let's take a break last of the morning. Still tons to do lenny. Showman's going to join us with his appreciation of prince colleague and wanted one of his absolute favorites. Lenny a p. Indy was was and i was on a pedestal. And and so is Judd mont and prince callard so wanted to hear lenny's appreciation to ed rosa in this hour as well back after this hour three at the races. It's apple races. With steve vic on sirius. Xm radio there's a great story to talent. Pennsylvania only three states have produced more breeders cup champions in no state can match our performance in recent years since two thousand sixteen. Our numbers of mayors bread has skyrocketed unlike the national trend in this year's live full report shows pennsylvania up over fifty percent why are incentives and bonuses are the best in north america. Please visit us at pa. 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Part 1: Garrett ORourke

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Part 1: Garrett ORourke

"Sirius XM presents with Steve. Big a horse racing handicapping interviews. This is really stupid in a very good Tuesday race fans serious to nineteen. Xm To a one sports on nine sixty four if you're listening to Siriusxm online and then our website as well Steve Dot Com and as we left yesterday for those of you that listen to the replay. He play as it feeds into the next day's live show. You heard minutes ago. I I guess after the break so four minutes ago the late breaking news yesterday morning that empire maker had died over the weekend and it's really triggered very appropriate and predictably A lot of memories and appreciations and will join in that chorus and later that actually the next couple of days I imagine because certainly tomorrow when sid visits visits for Sire Watch pedigree focus brought to you by Hillsdale Sydell certainly ref on one empire makers impact a lasting. What will be a lasting impact really Worldwide and. His story is is unusual usual. I it it took a twist the the detour as a stallion to Japan and then the repatriation gains way and Don Alberto auto going getting them and bring them back and the twists and turns on that front. It'll be interesting to listen to Said you know talk about how the you know the appeal in the ebb and flow and and his his sons and you know what he what he was able to accomplish as he was leaving really And Pioneer the Nile. Obviously and and more. He's got what three four sons That are at at Stud still here and then with Taya near the Nile. Getting American Farrow. And there's there's a lot of moving parts the to what went on with with empire maker but his coming back to North America and delivering four crops. You're twenty sixteen seventeen. Eighteen nineteen four crops will be a bonus undoubtedly and we'll we'll be. We'll be unwrapping those presents. For the next several years we're GONNA talk to Garrett Rourke after the first break from judgment and an empire makers racing career certainly as brief as it was really I mean for all the carrying on about. Oh we whisk these this era are we whisk these horses off to start at three well empire maker went went to Stud seemingly early and young but then made his mark obviously as a resource. And what's what's what's fascinating if you if you haven't had a chance to read Chris McGrath's GDN peace. And I'm sure I'm sure said tomorrow will reference it because it I thought I when when SID tweeted it out and it was being discussed yesterday. McGrath really really touches on so many elements of vampire maker. And and the Judd Mont portion of the equation from his. It is really from his origin and I remarked to Garrett this morning it was just just last week right I for those of you that follow on twitter and so forth and facebook I had I had Sent out the link to the audio of Bobby Frankel from eleven years ago from Franco's reactions to the news to Saad had had been euthanized. And the fact that it's about the same time of year and a lot of people heard that I think heard heard that segment with bobby for the first time and in fact. I think it was my friend Dan. The right Dan Heart I think was a Dan. Or maybe some a somebody else that said they had never heard Franken's voice and they'd never heard the they've fairly new fans of the game and Bobby talked about the family and McGrath rights. I mean just glowingly really beautifully fleet if you can't recommend that That sort of an opinion piece or re I. It's a it's a combination it's a it's an obe it it's it's it's everything it's a pedigree analysis really quite brilliant and add to it. It's beautifully done That juxtaposes this is the creation of of empire maker here and Frankel abroad. And how Prince College named named the two horses with such anticipation of their you know potential greatness really and as has been remarked very often when you do that when you try to do that I it. It's kind of a fool's errand a lot of times in naming naming horsing viciously But in the case as of empire maker for their American racing operation and Frankel with Sir Henry's Sol and his campaigning Frankel and empire maker really fulfilled the expectations and the the lofty Editions of their names. And it's amazing really to me I I. If we had access to all of our archives some are missing and some come through. There was some computers that were stolen. Some older laptops were stolen Several years ago and quite a few archives were on on those And then we've got our collection of CDs. CD's that really need to be catalogued but if we went through and plucked everything that that we had add about empire maker in particular I it would be would be kind of fun. I think because we talked to Bobby Abby about him plenty of times and The family in general the family's been a a favorite of mine honest lady was the one that really kind of hooked me Even more so than than empire maker. We've told The lady stories but we've had a lot of good stories. The the Bobby Frankel remembered show in the afternoon. Bobby it passed in the morning and we were afforded seven show at that time and Lula's narrow Called me at seven o'clock and said Bobby's gone and we had the the show hours later and one. What are the really good stories that there are so many touching moments but Gary Siaca it tells the great story about being at the training track at Belmont when empire maker was the two year old and was going to get his gate card and was being gate schooled and and he's behind the gate and he's going crazy. He's up on his hind legs and he's he's making everybody nuts and gary was their schooling a horse and so he called Frankel and and Bobby this big big black horse. It's going crazy here because bobby says yeah. That's my triple crown horse. That's my Derby Irby winter. Damn if if he didn't come came close And certainly if you know not to take away from funny decide by any means but it I if empire maker one hundred percent you you just you know you'd love to You'd love to line them up a couple more times because you just don't know and by the time five weeks had good pass than Franken had the chance to go back to New York in regroup and wait for funny sides arrival at Belmont what it was going to be tough. It was going to be very hard for for funny side to beat him that day. And of course ten most wanted figures into that discussion to but empire maker for certain I think for certain age of player and Fan Ah is one of those horses that engaged people and and there'd be people became interested or latched on and there was so much about that period. That was that triple crown season. That was high drama and Frankl Frenkel put on in that black hat. Boy He he he he was little. Bill is an unforgiving he For those of you that don't that were there for it And and you know during the period. Ah Bobby Bobby was rough on on Barclay tag and that was A. That was a fascinating waiting. Five weeks not the least of which involve the you know the just reprehensible antics of the Miami Herald and the idiotic buzzer non controversy. That may very well have contributed to the we know it contributed because I've asked Jose Jose Santos directly to the overly emphatic preakness win by by funny CIDE. That was that was a wild triple crown sequence. Those those can't say five weeks because it's is really more than that the lead into to triple crown and there was plenty attention. Everybody knew that that Franken was kind out of limping in. We'll let let gary talk about that that that he was kind of gingerly getting empire maker to the Derby A. B. Period. So we'll have a we'll have a terrific conversation. Every visit with Garrett is always is always compelling and we'll also get an update from him I do want to ask him about how the treatment of arrogate and you know the breeding decision making and I if if there was was anything from the empire maker experience that has benefited and influenced what has happened subsequently because When you read the McGrath piece you'll note that McGrath? It makes the the really salient point that it wasn't empire makers fall that he didn't light up the board immediately when his career started as talion because he didn't necessarily fit perfectly. That didn't necessarily Mesh at that moment. Omen with the Judd Mont Broodmares. So I want I want to let Gary Talk about that and how that's influenced the approach with Erica. The era gate subsequently should be interesting. We've got. We got the but nice eclectic morning here Eddie Sterling. Well sure he's got some thoughts about that sequence with empire maker from the wood memorial through the Belmont and then then the matchup that that a- at Saratoga that didn't materialize. which was you know the the funny side empire maker Travers? That that didn't happen. I I mean that's for those that don't remember A. Oh my God did it rain that day it was it was it was four scuppering. ooh Sideways Rain Upside Down Rain. It was nuts. Yeah that one was a uh at of course the Belmont they write the Belmont Day that was during that period where every big day in New York it was miserable. It was either freezing cold raining or both. The right. Wasn't that the Belmont that it was like thirty eight degrees in June so I think it was yes marty was a hundred degrees and funny cide was the thirty eight degrees. I tell you a sidebar story to that involving GELATO sorbet. Don't don't get me going early. I got a request out to Dr all day. I haven't heard back yet but I in -ticipant that we'll talk to Dr. We're all day today. Brought to you by Louison and reborn because I want him in the coverage of this the sad and tragic passing of of empire maker. They've talked about this Immune system disease. But I haven't seen it actually named aimed specifically but We'll see what what Steve can impart on that and we've also got a report. I didn't do it on Friday because we had A. We had a full slate and agenda but the report from Dr Ram Lidge and the Breeders Cup about going room and lots of fascinating insights in that and I wanted to talk about it. Jeremy punk countdown to the crown. Now get Jeremy's reaction to last week. Got Some results talk about Pat McKenna before we wrap up today to. Oh He's GonNa explain what's going on with that New York City cable channel. We'll start with Garrett. ORC JOINS US next to talk about him. Fire apparatuses with the speed on Sirius. 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Cancer Sir and and Chiseling to aid neurologic disease the much younger the to them but Empire maker being fondly remembered and appreciated and certainly Garrett O'Rourke who has joined US number of times with with empire maker and the offspring of to Saad as the the topic joins us now and Garett obviously Speak for fans and players Breeders and worldwide expressing to you and and Judd Mont collectively sadness. And you know real real legitimate sorrow so That that people are expressing really round the globe. Yeah thanks TV. You know it's text interaction doesn't get made it clear how much the horse maids that meant to me and and personally And I think that was Foreign just of I mean obviously the expectations that we had edge of a horse of his Fantastic pedigree But could chew the moment. This horse hit the ground There was just something different about him. You know he just A beautiful beautiful animal But he you just had the most beautiful temperament and this is not me just saying. I don't think anyone that was ever around the horse. He did have some of the two thought it quirks to him but he was a much more personable than Toussaud's Was He absolutely loved being around people. And I don't I know what some of these sources if it's That are all surrounded by people if they evolved into loving the attention or if it's just in their nature from the beginning but I mean he just he could ham it up when The cameras started picking and he was just quintessential Hollywood star. You know I mean the type that you hear people saying when these Brad Pitt's or whatever walking were ruined. Just know that they're there you can feel that they're there straight away and he just had had that's or about him he added. Police added as a yearling When we broke him when we started pre-trading him When when we got to march of his two year old years had risen to such a degree that we had we had a two thousand dollar one hundred to one on him for the Kentucky? hokey derby before he even ever left the farm We had never felt pathway or that confidently bows our hearts parts. I think prior to him and see you know he was named empire maker at that stage just felt like the stars were aligning and unfortunately didn't get all the way into Derby but he gave us a hell of a ride and ultimately won the Belmont gave bobby a great day of and Bobby hadn't won Kasich called classic grass up until that and I really felt like empire maker just kind of validates as everything in winning us in in Bell. MOMS I don't think I ever saw Bobby as personally satisfied. It was a hard man to satisfy. I don't think I ever saw him as personally satisfied as he was After par maker won the won the Belmont. And then you know I mean obviously retiring to start talking to Brian. Gray's last week I. I'm July that Brian called me and Veggie over two so see divorcing. He and Michael Hurt and told me that he wasn't doing well and And I got to see the horse last week now. He's groomed with When he was with Bobby? Franklin Ruben lows. WHO's no with Richard Baltics and Ruben? Love the horses. But he taught him to stick his tongue and and he'd leave him around the store with no hold on just talking empire maker just got to. I love having these. Tom And I went over last week and I went into him and I guess they hadn't been doing it gains way and I just Faked my my fingers and he stuck that tongue. I'd straight away and put on to say that choke me little bit you know. So but just in horse to be around. And he's offspring or Lovely horses to be around just kind and Good natures Horses and just happy horses and you know it's there's a lot that goes wrong in this game and I think there's there's horses that just give you back in an inner feeling of Kind of joy you know and he was definitely one of those horses. She's the one you know. It was very fond of him. You know well and and that's a that's a wonderful memory Rita to have. I am glad that you got a chance. I was GONNA ask you if you had seen him recently because the the word had actually chilly in the last two weeks word had kind of trickled out that gains way had informed those that ah intended to that had booked to empire maker for this season. They let people know that they needed to make alternate arrangements. Commits and that That that word kind of made some some rounds and that was really the first indication that you know that something was a mess and and And then in in fairly short fairly short order this you know this further news. I I gotTa talk a little about the some of the origins and some of the early decision making because he was the sixth ext full for two saw and gesture house. Honest lady to Karchi civilization. Who was really one of the few misfires Gone West Colt then chiseling then empire maker and Garrett in terms of the mating and going to unbridled what doc Chandler and what what What went into that? Well you know. I don't think anyone ever even asked the question and it was well. After the fact that I remember talking to Prince College Up there hear about doing the mazing and they said you know where where it really came from I was up in Churchill. Downs one day and and you know you're always going to the races and I guess people that are breeders go to the races and they look at horses and sometimes immediately look at Offspring of mayors who Maybe by stallions or from families that we have and you see what. What's what works for the better horses from those families but I saw Banshee Breeze Attorney Nascar's barn across the row across the way from wherever we were and she was the most she was having getting a bath and I thought she was the most beautiful specimen of thoroughbreds red? and honestly. That's where the idea of like well you know that would really suit toussaud's And I think that's where that's where it all hatched and that's why I said it's when you get these ideas look it's not. That's not the only crazy idea that struck me at the races. Or whatever over the years You know there's hundreds of failures before for every success But it's visit tremendous satisfaction. When you think something like that you go back and look at the cross you go while that would be really nice and then you start going through all of the physical attributes the vent lobster attributes? And you think you still feel like Jesus would be a lovely cross and then you Jewish and American gets enfold and you get a full deliver origins steps usually when you like. Oh that's not that's not. Why aren't the cake out of the oven? And you're scratching your head. God I think and and but empire maker hit the ground. I can remember being at his burrison pulling him out and just taking one look at him and thinking. Oh absolutely perfect and he was a he was a gorgeous gorgeous physical excellent specimen And and you know you could see some of the photographs Salvi the publications this morning. Some of Maral photographs that I'd kind of forgotten about but One of them was imposing while on the track has At Belmont Park. And it's it's just a model of what anyone would Dream to try and produce In her brad he just visit his handsomeness. You know and and and and everything and you know so. Last year I went to the sales in September and he's yearling sold exceptionally well. But I made the comment to a few people while I Saw So many beautiful empire makers and you know I brought back a lot of the motions for me. You know have been around so many of them over the years But he had he had loving of the year things missile exceptionally well came in sale. So hopefully there's attributed to his legacy In the still has to come on the racetrack in the next couple of CBS News. And I mentioned four crops After the return from Japan the totals one hundred thirty nine one. Thirty eight hundred ten and one hundred twenty six so There's there's a nice you know. Five hundred it That have a potential to make their mark yet. And so who knows what what comes and in that regard are Garrett too. There's probably more. I'd like to talk about the racing career but a you bring us back to the start of the stallion career and he started for one hundred thousand and obviously was is going to be a house horse and was going to serve as mayors That you know the judge Mont Broodmare Band But it it seems in reading Chris. McGrath's piece that was that was a little bit of a of A. I don't want to say mismatch. But that he wasn't necessarily a natural fit for the program at that time. Yeah that would be the Assumption Chin and indefinitely. We had The majority of our broodmare band even in the US at the time was you know. Are they wear turf Mares. I don't know it's it's really hard to say. Maybe it was just ah statistical anomaly because plenty of other people had success with Mayors were from grasp pedigrees with him. Maybe it was just one of those weird things that we just couldn't Hit the Bullseye For some strange reason we got some lovely lookers. There's an over the years volume and we got some nights sources but We just couldn't seem to to outside of emolient When he just couldn't seem to strike gold with him we've cut some Nice broodmares and But the there is definitely a disappointment appointment given that we really really Prince College went all in on empire maker need like you know this is one of the elite stallion stallion prospects. That he's ever retired two studs and and he breads He's absolute best mayors to him every single year era and we got some return but nowhere near the return this This was expected of him. So you know now I I the easy Explanation would be to say Turkey. Didn't work with the which exclusively dirt's which and stallion but like I said there are examples out there where it did work with him. He was an all or nothing entitle stallion as was unbridled and their statistics warns sky. But when they got a good one was a royal all Delta or you know and there was a champion so There were a lot of them. This failed it was. It's just that the successful ones were Absolute superstars and Given that there they weren't in Large quantities out there. Yeah the the statistical anomaly explanation could be viable as well. You know. Maybe it would kept tim another year or two. Maybe we were on the verge of giving a A superstar we've got more dirk mayors in our Brunner Biden's in judgment at the moment and they'd be Equate McQueen heads Today maybe we'd have made better use all. I don't know it's it's hard to say it's a pretty but I'm just delighted. We had because we had great fun with him. Well on that topic and that was a follow up that I did want to ask you as part of the whole Pantheon Pantheon really and this whole experience that Two things Did you participate. The Judd Mon- participate with him upon the return. And did you send any mayors to him. And then how has that experience from what from the planning stages and from these early executions. How has it influenced your approach with arrogate? The first question I the Quentin print scholars makes a decision about him is is blacker and he's it is black or white and very easy man to work with from that point of view but it's Sometimes you agree with the decisions and sometimes uh-huh Don't but when he makes a decision that's over and done. We sold the horse. He was brought back and honestly I never once brought up or even mentioned the possibility of breeding to him and Prince Scholars never said let's Breaches the horse again. So I think we just we turn the page. I accept as the prince collars had turned the page and and no we never never. We never did breeds back to the horse again. And we had lots of his His broodmares in our broodmare band at the moment. It wasn't like we had a shortage of them in needed more of the bloodlines. We were actually looking. More Perot crosses I think at that point in time time for the Empire maker mayors remember. We had a loss of not just empire maker Mirrors which of course Defense Mares Chester House mirrors and also a lot of the Tucson family in our broodmare band again. So you know we. It was like we had to search more of the bloodlines at the time. So we left that the How would release it to arrogant? Yes I think Definitely it's not ones for trying to Keep on doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results there. Kim Getting along We definitely consciously made the decision to buy mayors like Paula Silver overnighting golden mischief and and quite a few other Mayors that had dirt pedigrees and were runners Not that we didn't breed some of our elise Pedigree Mares as well I think in the in the interim we'd also gotten some are and pedigrees maybe a little bit more fine tunes the in over twenty year periods to where they were producing thing Dr Tortoises and are by dirt stallions. And you know by using it in the Seattle slew line Puppy are oh no line or whatever there's intimate issue and and starting to guess Offspring by those Dirt stallions that. We had more opportunity. Initially I think to breed more of the dirk. Mayors I think it. It's definitely allowed us to put more balance of Of Up to a good line into into our I guess But who knows again. Who knows I mean? Look what an American student at the moment and who would have predicted that too. You know so all you can do is Tried the same as if you're betting horses. I think you just try to work the odds to your advantage. It shouldn't And react to the odds. And that's what we're trying to do at the moment and I appreciate gate the both parts of the the answers At the minute you started about The princess approach being black and and white. I knew where that was going. The looking at back at the produce and it it is amazing that the empire maker was really the end right I mean he. He was the last top top wars that that to saw God and and you know she in very swift fashion. I mean the five the five major stay courses and then some with the first six foals and then kind of tailed off. I mean empire maker was her was really her crowning achievement. And it's head to insinuates that there was any disappointment as it to the The tooth on and what she gave to us because her record was absolutely Amazing and We had obviously The former grade one winners You had mentioned civilization has been one of the ones. This was was a disappointment but It wasn't so much that he was a disappointment from a racing point of view he just has her kirk gene to search such a degree that he's literally pulled himself up twice in In racist and he just and he was a kind orest. I just made it in like racing. He decided not to raise so but and then we'd another really called tolerance that we have high opinion union of and since she hurts and and Abnd Ms Mary Kay is well unfortunately had an inner ear Issue do she looked like a racehorse And and but she affected her balance and she never got to the races So So so really. There were explanations for some of the others and by that stage of two-thirds career. She was starting to run into health. problems tremendous mayor to immediately get enfold and managed and was very healthy through her pregnancies. she you seem to have her she seemed to be healthier in full The nostrils thing which was Something it does Probably influenced us to keep on going and going ahead and breeding her and say But I I I don't know if that was kicked her immune response into gear and made her much out here when she wasn't all it seemed like Definitely it was a but it definitely we both case and But you know she has quite a few health issues. Had We had a whole barn. And this we we totally adapted just for her It was he's as their conditions Anything at all. She needed she he was given and she and she she earned every bit of but But she on oddly. Enough didn't never really wanted to many people in the barn never wanted to many people around our she didn't she definitely wasn't camera. Hog Lake Per Maker was but yet he couldn't get enough kicks keys. Ah Bobby I told you that. I wrote circulated that it's about ten eleven twelve minute piece with bobby were reacting to her passing and was really sweet and he talked about how sweet she was. How you know how flighty and then of course this lady Picked up the ball and an honest lady is in fact. been a a a wonderful next generation on the on the female front which begs the question where where is where is that the annual the last The most recent on the annual the the last of the the most recent honest lady baby Well honest mischief was the last. The last runner was right last runner. And and the Yeah Noble Mission Philly annual went to England. And she'll be bridge over there. She wants him to his good an individual as as honest mischief but but see chad-sudan still hoping this He'll get a big word says of honest honest mischief this year and he's got. He's got a lot of the personality that his mother had as. Well because this lady was just like empire maker she was this Ruben lows who and Bobby But you know Ruben was a tremendous regard for Ruben. It's busy as a horseman. As did Bobby Shad. Their favorites was flutes and my favorite was always honest. Lady of the Seattle Phillies that we had their time. They were both amazing personalities and And they You know I think they were as fun of honestly probably as they were Of Empire Maker bus and and you know I mean. Everyone forgets that we were at one stage. Bobby was adamant that he was going to the Derby with honesty. And I'm sitting around this time of year. He was all over. The idea caught the Derby at the sunny on and we have let in an in Iran her consent Philippe and she ran. Well Just got beaten in a blanket. Finish and up until that point in time. He was adamant that he was going to the Derby. And I think starting to get therapy fever at the time and That didn't work out. Give her the time off and ultimately turned it into a brilliant one turn horse and but she ran against the colds hold on numerous occasions. You know obviously was nearly won the Breeders Cup Scranton was placed in the mess necessarily you know. Yeah and so she she was one of those phillies that really when you go back and look at her record a lot of people look at the wrecker can go. Wiler didn't realize she accomplished that much. You know but He faced are pretty high because he had that by of an opinion and offer but But she was at you know getting past the the ability and the pedigree and on this lady was everyone's papers take the Parham. She was just a darling of a horse to be around and she was like having a dog in the in the barn. And then you had visitors and you brought them into the darn orange bringer Toronto's lady because You know she was. She was the personality and and farm acres is the personality and that we're just. They were types of ourselves if he wants to get people to fall in love with with the game and which with horses They'd have done in ten minutes. You know well. At of course the circle circle back to the racing. We're GONNA listen to Tom. durken's valmont call the before we wrap up the circle back to the racing portion of the discussion discussion. I don't know if you've heard me. I know you were out and about on the farm earlier Garrett Garrett O'Rourke with us from Judson talking about empire maker and I I talked about what a tumultuous triple crown season. It was the lead up to two Derby and bobby was fighting the hoof issue with kind of a similar story line to baffert dealing with point given Two years earlier but then after falling just short and chasing a funny side home in the Derby the regroup back back to Belmont the five week lead up and meanwhile Barclay tag and and Jose Santos and funny cide. We're we're dealing with the you know some Some media pressure of not of. They're doing bobby fed right into that Garrett and for people that don't recall This bobby was quite willing to I mean he. He was badgering Barkley there. There's no two ways about it. He's east in the buildup to the Belmont. I I wasn't like the Horse went off in won by like ten lengths but honestly bobby gave us the feeling like this race is over. We are absolutely career. He was so confident. Going into the end of the Belmont and all God. I missed that because he you know he he had that personality as well. That's that I I've even heard baffert saying she said I did. I used to Hayes when frank would come up to me and just say let's see you've got a horse in today. You know you can't win. Unlike the pulling the carpet out from under people so he definitely was on the muscle for that three weeks before the Belmont which made us feel really really. Good 'cause when bobby got like that probably delivered heard seasonal. Yeah yeah thinking back in two thousand as well when he was a two year old. I remember getting up there. And that's the first time that bobby really starting to get the feeling like he had something special than I arrived in about as calkins Friday morning to To Belmont Park and when I came in the wrong Anderson's the hold up. They all came up to me. And said they bobby's after working horse this morning. And he had Jerry Jerry Bailey on Medaglia d'oro said three roads and he said he worked two year olds and said had dug a door all he could handle anyone. Tell us who he is. All that was in part maker Wobbly Bobby Gig earlier because when when I got past that was the first recognition. Okay we got something special in arounds here and I tell I should. I should really take the easy to pull that up. Because we've got the Bobby Frankel remembered show. Oh on the best of page and Gary tells the story of the when when a power maker was trying tried to get his gate card he said you got this big dark horse. He's going crazy that's my that's my derby yours. He had he had A. He had his calendar marked already with him. I'd say from a very early stations. Asian say You Know He. He did give him his caps. They can say You did deliver and seven and This a lot of Triumphs and but more importantly I think he you don't delivered a lot of great memories for us and say You know he was. He was Everton's if he was promised to be. And I think everyone here on the arm That ever walked around in. You know that he's gone but And yet they all you know. We have Pets Flint. WHO's our Now are broodmare manager. He used to write back then. I'm Scott Walker and and who has trained all of the pre-trade all of the horses here on the farm and you know we've got a lot of empire are makers stories from when he was Here but you know again we all we all tend to like. We had a superstar here when empire makeovers was around. You know it'd be just had had the Rockstar Imaging's or those in Yeah he's we're going to listen to the Belmont win. The Gary Works with us. Let's get to Tom. durken's call the two thousand and three Belmont stakes triple crown. Try That fall short but It's also the crowning rounding achievement in empire makers career and ready for the start. And they're off in the one hundred and thirty Fifth Beaumont stakes empire maker broke. alertly scrimshaw right there and funny cide off off to a very sharp beginning and those three scrimmaging for the lead as they move into the club house turn nine ever and ten most wanted just in behind running fourth and fifth five lengths. Back to long supervisor. Funny CIDE scrimshaw. Well scrimshaw Side and a hearing today a change of tactics from the Derby and the preakness he is going to be the early leader. Funny side in front as they round the sweeping clubhouse turn here at home on Park scrimshaw will sit back and second and empire maker and Jerry Bailey. They broke from the rail but now they're on the outside and they are tracking side intently as they make their turn into the stretch now then only three lengths behind the front runner. He's based on. The outside is ten most wanted followed by Di never to his inside six links back to trailing supervisor the quarter in twenty three and four the half seven forty eight and three fifth seconds honest enough. The leader is funny side tracked by his arch-rival Empire Maker on the outside glued to him. As they continue their run down the backstretch scrimshaw not far behind his third toward the inside dine. Every now gets a little nudge from Edgar pro. Ten most wanted on the outside sitting chilly. They're halfway right through the Belmont. They've run three quarters one thirteen and two. And it's funny side and empire maker one to Scrimshaw Gary Stevens asking a bit more from him. He's down toward the inside. Di Don ever ten most wanted well within striking range as the field moves into the fire. Turn it's funny side still holding that lead the imposing presence of vampire maker right alongside. They've been one to throw out. They enter the final half mile together. And now Bailey makes his empire maker he is at the throat latch of funny. CIDE died funny side an empire maker. There's nothing between them. And at the midway point on the far turn empire maker pokes his head in front emboldened by that challenge. Funny any side fights right back and ten most wanted right there in behind them with Pat Day as the field turned for home in Belmont and it is an playmaker on the upside upside. Santos has gone to the whip on funny side and playmaker shortly. Funny side is doing his best but he's prepping back and here comes pet day and he's coming with ten most wanted his third down to the final hundred yards velma empire maker Jerry Bailey. Asking him for everything he has ten most wanted. Got It right there with them. Here's the wire and empire maker has won the one hundred thirty Fifth Belmont stakes. He wanted by over ten most wanted farther back. Funny cide checked in in third beaten five lengths well Garrett I could not hear it. I don't know if you could I did I got I got it. Good all right all right. Ah Brings Back the memories of the Funnier dents into to that we I told you that bobby was just so proud and and I think to win. His Kathy gets At obviously we weren't that popular having and beating the New York Star are in the countryside and it was pouring out of the heavens and while we were waiting for the presentation and the governor was there and the Jerry Bailey and his wife and ourselves and They went to They went into a commercial break on the national television. Could even we had two ways in the rain and the crowd just got really leaney crazy and obnoxious and they start to Detroit beer cans And I remember Jerry Bailey. He and his wife is white especially starts to get really really nervous and thinking. Should we run out of here. Are they going to charge us or You know what's going to Tacoma Wall of this and I remember looking at the governor and Bobby and they had big old smirk on their face like out New York crowd talk about twenty days. Actually but I tell Ya. Yeah Bobby. Wasn't that way nervous. He was just enjoyed it to such a degree weeks. It was rare to see a grid from ear to ear like he had any pets Sam's and and It it was plastered all over his face and he he enjoyed that it fully. There's a wonderful picture I know I've used of Bobby. Voice thing. The the very hefty Belmont trophy. And it's the big round ornate nate piece that And he's got A. He's got really that that. That Cheshire Cat doc grin on his face and two Special Garret. This was wonderful and I know everybody appreciates the reaction action He's going to be buried at gains. Weigh in there. You know. Very the storied cemetery. Sorry and He'll love he'll have a place Forever in the hearts and and certainly in the snug book where his influence Lewin's will will go on the forever really of knowing knowing what's already out there worldwide. I mean that that part of it You know as a Broodmare sires. Well you know so many So much influence so I think the you know one of the great legacy has won't be recognized by the the general public but I think anyone that works around. The American people really love horses. I think they're the ones that really get to feel. What love horses? They are to be around I've heard a lot of comments from people that people here on the farm and people and swear at this And you know that everything that was said of what a a beautiful personality is American. Feral obviously has elect came up camp. Remember maker. You know. That's so he's legacy will be will be there. I think all those people who just love working around those knees personalities Horses uh-huh And you know they kinda warm you man inside so anything End of an era where we agree with Garrett Arar Judd Mont Farms and empire maker Garrett. Thank you so much. Thanks Dave Take Care. We'll see we'll see Garrett We always see him on the road and a like I said earlier Horse Horse that got a lot of people undoubtedly hooked to and interested it even even in the disappointment you know of at the time of the Belmont of the Derby because he went into Derby as the the Horse to beaten and with five to two five to two favorite. I couldn't I I wasn't sure the during the the audio of Sirkin skull I couldn't hear it for some reason but I'm glad everybody I I wasn't sure I if everybody was hearing it or not. We'll get some of Eddie Eddie settlings. I'm sure eddy has got reaction to the career. which was you know? Other than the sham. What the Sham and The Derby Florida Derby those three of his eight starts starts came away from New York. But everything else at Belmont acqueduct in the career finale. That's Toga when when strong opium that was it back after this hour too at the racist stay with us. It's aberrations with feedback on Sirius. XM Radio Horseman Horse. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 2/3/21--Guest Chad Brown

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 2/3/21--Guest Chad Brown

"Think maximum security has been defeated. King for this is the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for horse racing news interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host jason. Be around a good wednesday morning. Y'all welcome into the jason bateman. Tracing podcast brought to you by the fine folks at twin spires february the third wednesday edition of the program in looking forward to our interview. Today i teased a guest coming on the other day. And i realize now. I was gonna you know. Do a big buildup like who is the mystery guest detonator. But then i realized like by the time i post the show i have to put the guest on the title of the show. So you guys already know that Turner chad brown is going to join us here in a few minutes very excited to show the conversation with you got to talk about number of things including his his barn here in two thousand and twenty one which is going through a little bit of a. I'm trying to think of the word. I used during the interview. Say retooling but you know i mean. He lost a lot of horses to moving on retirement last year. Top top horses so we'll talk a little bit about that. Talk a little bit about His his career about saratoga about todd pletcher and that rivalry what is it and And much more so hope you guys will enjoy. That will be coming up in a few minutes. A horse player thursday on tomorrow's program. Some topics i want to discuss. We also are going to have guest for horse player. Thursday s steve. Petch our gonna join us. Who i've been watching these videos for like twelve years. He was a real early adopter of youtube and when he adopted his youtube channel he was literally the horse racing kit he was like ten and now he's the man and he's still doing the The horse racing video. So i thought it'd be fun to talk with steve. I guess it i've been. I've been checking out videos every so often for the last ten or twelve years and Thought it would be a a kick to to get talked to him on the show. So we'll do that on tomorrow's program. Our buddies and the jury will be here on friday. We'll talk a little bit about the big game. I don't think it. Can you say the name of the game on the show or can you i. I think it's just an like advertising as you can't say like i think if i'm a talk show host. I'm allowed to talk about you. Know the s b. the bowl. that is quite stupendous. Yes so we'll talk with With the sports guys about that with luck. Catch up with ed and we'll talk some horse racing stuff with all of them is As we go on a friday today. Wednesday of course. Kinda horse racing. Monday in in the horse player monday. How about that in the sense that usually for the big circuits. This was always the day that kicked off the week. And i know a lot of the bigger circuits have have trimmed down to afford a weaker three day week. Or what have you but wednesday used to always feel like the the star of the week. My favorite wednesdays were win the sunday southern cal cards would produce a pick six carryover and then you always had like one hundred and thirty one hundred thousand or something carried over into the wednesday card. You got a couple of days to to really look at the pcp's and handicap talk about it and post about it and then it would. It would all show up. I i have a vivid memory. There was a it was a multiple daycare over. And this is going back to hollywood park And i was watching me. And my buddy vents went up to indiana grant which was indiana downs at the time and we had put a pick six together. You know we were small time guy so i think our ticket with thirty two bucks over sixteen dollars a piece that the dollar. Pick six for a lot of the smaller players like. That's what you did. It was either a sixteen dollar ticket with three singles a thirty two dollar ticket with four singles or a sixty four dollar one with with. I'm not singles but Four you'd go to buy to buy to buy single single or something like that like that. Those were always the way that a lot of the beginning folks played their pick sixes like it was a it was a bet because of the dollar minimum and because of six races worth combinations like you know unless you were a and there was also by the way there was an axiom like you either need to spend very very little or a lot like either spend sixteen or thirty two or spend five hundred no inbetween but i like everybody. I know used to spend thirty two or sixty four on pick sixes and you can only go deep and then you still had to have a single somewhere in there. I think i hit. I hit three traditional pick sixes in my life like the two dollar ones. None of them were big. They were all like three or two or three or four thousand or something out in southern california. That was when i hit. I missed one. I've talked told the storm. Anytime i missed one at act for thirty thousand and i my girlfriend at the time was asleep on the couch. I got beat at the wire. And i couldn't wake her up and so i just laid on the floor for like three hours with a pit in my stomach. The good old days. Well the the pick sixes nowadays and of course. They don't cost two dollars very often and they don't really carry over unless there's the jackpot qualifier. But you know brand new week kicking off at at gulfstream park and i saw the return of lake avenue in the feature event today race number nine lake avenue. Of course the demos zell winner of two thousand nineteen last year as a three year. Old really did not put together much season how to third place finish in the gulfstream park oaks behind swiss skydiver but after that really really poor effort in the fantasy that was the race was skydiver. Eastern harbor. Like just pulled away from everybody. I forgot that she dares the devil was third in that fantasy. Obviously we come back to win the kentucky oaks but then follow came took some time off came back and just didn't run jump and lake avenue five to one on the morning line in here. The favouritism going away at the goddess horse hopeful growth. Who was the kentucky. Oaks participant won the monmouth oaks last year before finishing sixth in the kentucky oaks and then finished third in the black eyed susan behind miss manners. Remember who kinda shook loose there at the top of the stretch and held off bonnie south who that brutal trip that day but looking forward to racing getting back at gulfstream park today for the the week ahead of course they. They're coming off of a couple of of their bigger weeks of the season. Obviously you now going forward. There's always going to be some good races at gulfstream park on the weekends i think this weekend it's the ladies turf sprint and the swanee river but You know there. I think the found of youth is kind of the next. What you'd call big weekend. I suppose the next Real big card coming up is the fairgrounds. The risen star stakes is coming up a week from this weekend on the thirteenth so looking for that and they always draw so far in advance entries will probably become out and Friday or saturday at guests. This week's anyways. Well let's let's get to our guest wanna get to to chat. Who was a very generous with his time. And i hope you guys enjoy interview chat brown joining us after this quick commercial time. It's adjacent horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. 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Podcast brought to you by twin spires and police walk. Our next guest is multiple clips award winning trainer currently based in south florida. Very happy to welcome in chad brown to the show. How are you good. Thanks for having me. I appreciate you taking some time for us. I i know. It's a non racing day. We're speaking on tuesday afternoon. What's an afternoon like for you in in south florida this time of year well You know get most of our work done in the morning as you know and then just some some planning in the afternoon for the next day's training and such you know catching up with some clients and stuff like that and joined the warm weather. That's for sure. Do you do much back and forth transportation this time here. I know twenty twenty twenty twenty one or a little bit weird but you go back and forth a lot to tampa iraq doctors pretty much just a home base down there for you A little bit up to new york. Yes but mostly just between my two divisions down here which are at palm meadows and peace and parks for the majority of the horses are. What's the The the barnes going other places. What's the communication process like with your assistants at those places i mean it has. It has to be a daily if not more than that right. Oh absolutely yeah we talk about. I talk about every horse with with somebody every day meaning if i'm not at a division You know each course's disgust every day if not seen so Unfortunately we you know we have a tremendous starting with assistance on down where You know it's a team effort really to review and and watch and training care for each individual basis every day. I almost wonder without the technology. What kind of dwayne was starting with the bigger divisions and stuff going because it just it had to be an entirely different operation. Strictly based on technology. Yeah you know what. I wonder about that myself. And how you know like many things i guess in life. How do they function just ten years ago. you know when i was when i was coming up working for for bobby frankel leaving. It was just starting to change then and You know he had some different divisions as well and of course by that time at least we had cell phones such to communicate. But before that you know your guess as good as mine how how's executed and You know thinking back on cream presses. I imagine there was a time period. Where beepers the big thing for agents. You know what. I mean like that. Five year window. Everybody had a beeper picture agents with those going off all that well i. I've heard stories from from some people Older than me that were renting game a long time about How used to get a call to the stable. I can you imagine operating that way and you'd have to go get a message at the front of a staple gate so that's just boggles my mind that that was the way to To communicate but Nevertheless now Barnes like mine that are larger You know it's a lot easier to transfer information official. Buddy mind was a real small time trainer in the west coast for a number of years and he told me was. He was at hollywood park once and they paged him. Charlie whittingham to the bar engaged for message said he was with a group of other small trainers he goes. I gotta go talk to charley real quick. It was pretty pretty proud of himself getting that getting that call for the speaker. I read an article recently. That was kind of talking about the the retooling of your guys. Lost a lotta horses to kinda graduation into second careers last year. It made me realize i in a weird way of barn is. It's almost like a college basketball program like you always have to kind of beginning a new talent and planning ahead because you really only have these athletes for at most a couple years. Yeah it's really like that. I tell all my clients that you know. It's it's so much like college sports at the very highest level you know when you look at horses like Like you know division one players. You're you're talking about you have between one and four years depending on when they go pro and that's pretty much the same with horses right. That's pretty much the window. Sometimes you just have that first year where they get hurt or something and sometimes you can you know bring them along nurture their career to a four year span So that's kind of you know that going in and you just hope when you have your you know your team members kind of moving on so to speak in another career that you have ones coming behind him and fortunately for i don't know the majority of our my thirteen year career as as we really start to get role in the second half of that. I've had a lot of prospects coming in. And you know my team sent a good job of getting the most out of careers and we always had replacements and right now we do. And i'm lucky in a lot of people would would kill the my my spot for sure for the horse that we have to work with but this is the first year. It's been a little bit of a shock. You know we had so many go in one year There's gotta be seven eight nine ten grade one winners. All all retired from last year You know you start losing to likes assistant. Charlie and newspaper record. Khurana instilled regard and online. He's all great. One course at each one of those horses would be sort of a career horse for a lot of people. We've been so grateful to have them and we're just looking for a few few horses to bill. You know some of those shoes and we'd be good so you know in the process of it looks like we have some decent prospects but tough to see them on a walk out of your partners for sure. Yeah just looking at just twenty twenty one in your results pages. I mean it seems like right now. There's a lot of maidens in the barn right. I mean a lot of horses that are just getting started. Is it tough to find spots where you're not running against yourself right now. Yeah i mean not so much right now as long as some of them are breaking their made and then moving on that's a good question Enough races offered where you're starting to you know. Get him going to bed and The key is though is is is getting them to graduate for that Loofah even if it's not in their first started soon because he just you start to get backed up and you want to get him under development trail to see where they take you so fortunately started the year off here which means broke sort of a different tracks and hopefully that continues on into the spring. When we move out of florida into keeneland in new york and they can get into some more meaningful races. The better ones at least one horse. I know just started back on the tab that you had a two year. Old last year was highly motivated. That you have his return to the racist kind of picked out at this point. Yeah looking at the awesome For that horse. I made a decision After three starts at the two year old To give them a little bit of a break up at peace and turn them out a little bit and he come out of that. Mike was Race you know little body sore in such a good time to give a horse of break that had been really never had a break since he was broke the previous fall so by doing that bringing them back dog. it's a little bit behind with him but he you know he's picking it up now. That lasts work was was good and he looks like he's he's back on his way to making his first start of the year and Yeah i penciled into gotham and being it's a nice nice positive stretching out a little bit but one more starter on one turn also would would probably be ready. Jeff brown joining us here on the program wanted to ask about jockeys you obviously worked with some of the most successful writers and the game. Is there a lot that goes in on your end Into matching a certain writer with certain horse or is it just really you know which of your regular guys kind of is available and wants the mount. Yeah that's a great question. I for me it is i. I try to match them up with Who who i think's gonna fit the horse and certainly you have your your jockeys are of versatile like trainers that can ride on dirt turf just like you know be train on on both surfaces and such and and then other ones i i tend to favor a little bit maybe on one surface or one type of race and then you add that into actually the behavior of the horse. I see certain horses might go along with certain writers so for me. I really try to mix it up Intrepid tolerate some outfits that just sorta us one one person in have success during that. So i guess it's what works for you but yeah definitely with me. We have found more success through the years as we really. are hopefully accurate and matching them up. And sometimes you know. I'm not right and i see that relationship between the jockey and the horse not working out we we. We try to resolve that in short order and the right people on the right horses. You mentioned newspaper record. I wanted to ask about that one Just such an interesting horse and to some degree. I mean not the prototypical. I guess chad brown type in term of of running style. What she different to train because of the running style her behavior then led to her running style. I guess it's the right way to explain it. You know she always been very forward kind of aggressive horse and as we ran her morning or two year old years. She became more aggressive at work for her then. She ran into some trouble editor three year. Old years distances got farther settling and such and fortunately herself clermont. He gave her another another shot at four and the us a chance to sort of rewire her brain. So to speak and she she settled pretty nicely and was able to. I think shown just a game last year that her two year old breeders cup or two year old campaign wasn't just a fluke. This is a real serious force and unfortunately She ended up having a minor minor injury before the matriarch and had to be retired and sold. But i'm fortunate for the three years we had with her. Do you do you purposely. Prefer to have horses who who quote unquote settled during race and it seems like a lot of your turf. Runners do come from off the pace. Is that an intentional thing. Or is it just kind of how it's played out. Yeah no i i. I tend to prefer. That doesn't necessarily mean they need to come off the pay. I i i let the worst is sort of find their own Style so to speak and and But settling you know in those type of turf races whether they're on the front near the front towards a rewrite. I i think is key. And he's turf races and We're certainly not afraid to have a horse on the front end. We've you know if you know right. Pace makes the race. And we're you know we don't want to be you know behind These slow pace in the races. And you know it's been a couple of races where we took advantage of the other way. american oaks recently with the source. Duopoly you know. This wasn't a speed in the race and she was able to take them. And i think probably are one of our most memorable wins on the front and actually day at the spot. Breeders cup you know on the front but you're right by and large it's the are is settled a little bit off the peace and make that lee running and for whatever reason i the majority of courses in that category on the turf going long seemed to find a running style somewhere in there bound. Run joining us here on the program. I was like to ask guests how they got into horse racing. I know you grew up near saratoga. Did you have family connections in the sport or was it just kind of the proximity to the races that drew in. Yeah really just the proximity. You know fortunate to have two great parents took me the track in the summer. And you know when you're from the capital region up there. That's really the thing that family thing to do summer. Go to the racetrack. And it's one thing. I still really appreciate about saratoga No matter how big our business has gotten in in you know the the highs of it that we experience or toga with great ones and trained titles on such the picnic area and they the bringing together of families around the track season is really still what means most to me and In between my racist you'll still see me walking around the backyard. They're hanging out with friends and family. And you know jason. It's something up there that at saratoga. It really brings people together. That don't see each other the rest of the year and i think that's one thing that was really missed issue during the cove is you know is so many friends in the area that that didn't see each other or me because of the track that's really the meeting place for a lot of people that that sort of That's the only time of year they can see each other. So hopefully that's behind us last year. We can get back to enjoying that Saratoga especially that backyard area. So important for many people. You mentioned work with bobby. Frankel for a number of years of horsemen. I really respect up here in the pacific. Northwest game tommy roberts. I don't know if you ever crossed paths with him but he used to sing the praises of bobby horse. What were some of your favorite memories of work for bobby. Frankel he's His patience with horses his vision. I mean he was able to really pick way often distance targets to hit with horses and he he hit him so often an accurately. I was amazed by that. I would always really study behind them in. And then once. I saw the whole process. Just go backwards again. You know figure out. How did that He always put the horse. I and He was he was a very basic Believe it or not it was a very basic approach about just making sure. The horses were healthy and feeling good and sound. And he took that and he was able to individually train every horse and Just remarkable guy that he just had a feel for each horse. And i think Goes a horse trainer. You develop sort of an artistic hand for stuff you know and people selling different types of horses and such and and he was the kind of guy that you know. He was like an artist. That had an unbelievable feeling. You know each time he said Horses campaign fourth. It was like a new painting for them. Most trainers obviously worked their way up through the ranks. And you talk about kind of watching bobby. Franklin luxury was a prominent assistant for you. Who's who's gone out on her own. Is there much of a formal education process in that from ut or assistance. I mean we you teach them things directly or is it more that they need to just kinda learn and watch doing it day to day. Yeah when i worked for. Bobby i could describe it as that way. He wasn't somebody else going to hold your hand and give you a test at the end of the day. i don't. i think most trainers probably most prominent trainers probably that way and certainly was you just wanna have you had to follow and watch and learn and you had to be active about your learning experience you know and dumb and very observant and been able to process everything kind of connect the dots and You know i'd like to think that. I'm you know it's very similar in that. You know you just have to put your time in and observed what's going on and the comes a certain point where you know you right you just have to pick up the brush and paint yourself either. You have a certain feel for you. Don't i think whatever you do really right so Whether it's training horses or something else and You know and i. And i also wanna add you know being around good horses actually helps You know they. They teach us all a lot. Teach me a to teach my writers a lot. It can just tell once you have the opportunity to work. You know with talented horses They can fill in the blanks for you so to speak as well. You and todd pletcher corsa often atop the standings at whatever meet your on. Do you guys have any kind of relationship. A friendship outside of just being fellow trainers similar. Circuits yeah i can consider him a friend Are we real close. No but tunnel respect for one another You know i guess. An example is We both traveled together to mr paul pompous funeral. You know we drove down together with another friend of ours and in pale respects and came back together so those are the things opportunity where we don't really get the you know talk at length and we did on that trip from new york to new jersey and back and I feel like over the years with certain industry issues. We've reached out to each other. Whether do was a problem with the race. Track that we talked about wherever we were training. And we're to go to management together to discuss it or you know bigger industry issues. Maybe about lay six or Testing or what. Have you so those things i think. i feel. We've we've definitely reach out to one another and 'cause we know that in the grand scheme of things we're better off working together on bigger issues but make no mistake about it. You know when we're together we want to beat each other and I know i respect him a lot. He's definitely one of the greatest trainers aboard time and And i i feel the respect mutual speaking of reaching out you join twitter in two thousand twenty and you've you've not been afraid to mix it up a little bit on their. How have you found the experience of Of social media. Well definitely I've always been very reserved and quiet guy and and it really won't change but i'll tell you it's It's you know first and foremost to get news by the minute. Yeah it's it's very handy and To interact with some people. I think is a good thing for both. I mean I've been so fortunate that the industry is giving giving me so much To be a little more accessible maybe to some information i think is a good thing to get back and You you know it's been fun going back and forth on some stuff and I hope to be you know becoming a little more active on it. I mean you know. One thing about social media does exposure to. Is that difficult for you. If you've gotten used to that. Because i it is obviously part of a higher profile position in the industry right yet is i mean you definitely got to be careful and I try not to Pay too much attention about that. I i'll tell you I see a lot of that out there and one thing i've been I guess pleasantly surprised about is that it. It hasn't been nearly as much as they thought. I think which is a good thing and I i feel like It's definitely a space. Do more good than harm for the industry or individuals careers and such. It's used that way and Yeah i think overall it's been it's been positive and Like i said. I look forward to to be on their more chabrol joining us for just another couple of seconds here on the show on some Some short quick questions. This one's a little bit silly but it's something that just came to mind for me. Do you ever get the clara vich. Financial renamed horses confused. Because i get them confused all the time just as a fan a few of them. Yeah when they have a similar name sometimes Once i'm a little word. Excuse me within their name. Sometimes but i. I like that. I i to me. I like things where in orleans that are sort of Sort of tradition or known to be. Somebody's sort of accent on something you know and would test names. I i. I like that that that it's known that that's his sort of brand so to speak right or that. That's you know. That's a clarify for us. And i think that's pretty cool and But yeah once in a while even the boss will be going back to a set list trying to figure out which one that is which one's the standard deviation which one's the the lowering market share costs or. What have you well the other one a couple of names. Yeah right now. And i'm a little confused on it but you know if they merged to be really good horse they separate itself for sure. Well i was gonna say you almost had the same experience with the kittens. Right with the ramseys when you're first getting going exactly exactly which i like that can did that and Like i said i see some other programs. Were where you sort of whatever it is. They put the wrong kind of Mark on it. you know what. What's your favorite track to race at. That's not naira or gulfstream. I mean i know. I always think of you. As you know the arlington million or the fall races at del mar. Do you have what kind of a kind of a favorite little. John every year that you take the. Yeah you know you. You hit it already. you know arlene pin in one of the many things that was taken away from us during the the cova year And i know that there's probably the reasons for that to with arlington. But that's always a my annual trip. That i really look forward to. We've had so much success there. It was something that frankel. Really look forward to that tour festivals. Well he he sort of instilled into me how important it was and it was one of the things that i kinda set forth on my my blueprint for my business. When i was building it is to really try to get there to arlington and and and really excel at it and and we've been able to do that. We had the right horses and the right system to do it and And i gotta tell you for that. One day of racing when you when i i mean that's the only day i'm there the fans that come out it it's most beautiful tracks you'll ever see People know that. Have been there. And i always have felt so appreciated coming in and out of there by everyone even manage management as well. It's really a super day and They're really at the top of the list But i'll tell you. I mean you name it. There's so many nice tracks. I mean to go to keeneland. That's its own own special me especially in the spring when everyone's kinda looking at our house and you know between and santa anita just both treat you so well and it's there's a lotta nice places to travel outside of our circuit and you know we've had success at all those places that i've mentioned and They're real quality places a race. Any anyone of them is. If somebody was the first time i feel. We have an unbelievable impression from it. Yup well chad really appreciate you taking some time to join us Really enjoyed the conversation. Thank you so much. Thanks for having to take care. Aren't you chad round joining us here on the program. We'll be right back after this short time out. It's j. b. morsch racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires jason beam horsing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation join host jason being has he discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every monday through friday. The show can be found at twin spires dot com or on i tunes squeaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the jason beam racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. This is the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires around my jab around for joining us. Open guys that i did that was fun. I was definitely a you know. I get nervous anytime i interview someone for the first time i found that. That's the case like once. I've talked to somebody before it seems like i. I'm not nervous at all like it when it's when it's a friend like if gabe is on the show or pd l. Or something like that. Like then i don't even think twice about it but anytime you know new trainer jockey or something like that and there's always a little bit of butterflies you want to go. Well hopefully ask the right questions or something interesting that you know. They'll find interesting to talk about right. I mean i think people who get interviewed a lot you know they. They get a lot of the same questions quite often. And so one of my goals. Anytime i do interviews to to to bring something different to the table. I can speak for myself anytime. I've done an interview and you know the first question is like also tell us. About the beams. Oh no don't make me talk about the bbc. Get and i'm sure that a lot of people have that same. You know that same topic that everybody wants to hear about talk about or the famous story or whatever i was actually talking about that with a friend about screech passed away the other day from saved by the bell. My buddy was saying that you know screech. It had some difficulties as an adult and he thought a lot of it was as a result of his. You know being a child star You know all this kind of stuff seems like decade kind of has their nerd on tv. Ercole was in the eighties and screech was one of the ones in the nineties. And you know. I'm sure there was one in the seventies and And thought about it. I go it has to be weird for a such a huge of your identity. That is as far as not for yourself and probably for himself but as the world sees you you know. He walks down the street if people recognize him. They're going to be like hey screech like it has to be so strange. Because it's something he did when he was like twelve you know and granted it was a big part of his youth and i get that but like same for urkel right like it has to be weird that no matter what he does going forward to a huge huge chunk of the populace. He's gonna be urkel and it's probably not a bad thing. Because i mean you know there's a success that comes with it and all that but I would think for a lot of people like get doing interviews where you have to talk about. The one main topic is a tough thing so always try to ask questions that are hopefully somewhat different unique than maybe they faced. And obviously you know. Sometimes you're you're asking interviews. You know to a trainer. You're gonna ask him about horses you know. That's that's just part of the the equation but as all that being said big. Thanks to chad brown for joining us and big. Thanks to you guys for tuning. In as i mentioned horse play thursday. Coming up tomorrow steve. Pitch our going gonna join us. The horse racing kid looking forward to to that conversation head over to the beach for a couple of days actually for about a week and our little cabins. I'll be broadcasting from over there but you guys won't be able to tell the difference at all it all sound the same and friday. Of course the jury will be back and we'll start to look ahead to the The weekend of racing action definitely a a quieter week in the The grand scheme of things a nice little stakes trio coming up at santa anita this weekend. Loss verges the san marcos thunder road sam davis stakes gets that tampa triple crown series Underway and the withers stakes for three year olds at nine furlongs Coming up the steps to the rome of course step one and now the weather. Step two in. The in new york three-year-old series. So all that coming up this weekend and you know we always talk about you. Know we talk a lot about the stakes races on a on a given weekend and those are the ones that make headlines. But your handicapping card. It could be that the first three races on the card to you look like smash city in the pick three. And maybe that's where your biggest bet of the weekend comes You know it's it's i think it's easy to and like i said i'm guilty of it too to fall into talking about the stakes events and maybe we'll transition out of that a little bit. I mean there's just kind of always been the format and you know to some degree. It is fun following the stakes races. And we're certainly not gonna talk about them. But maybe maybe the friday show shifts a little bit to where. I just find a sequence or potential. You know maybe even just one specific you know. Maybe it's one daily double that i think the two favorites just lousy and it's a. It's a great spot to do that. And we'll talk more in depth about that. I don't know be curious to hear your feedback on that. I can always email me. Jason charles beam dot com so anyways going to wrap up this edition of the program. A big thanksgiving chad brown. We'll see you guys tomorrow. Everybody have a wonderful rest of your wednesday.

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/6/20--Guest Kenny McPeek

"Narrow maximum security has been defeated for. This is the Jason Beam Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason. Be around good Wednesday morning. You are. Welcome to the Jason Horse Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires a proud proud sponsor of the show. Happy but with you here on this may the sixth and look forward to what will be a little bit of a par- up show. I mentioned yesterday. He didn't hear Had some tremendous audio difficulties with with Kenny. Mcpeek during our interview and they all seem to be coming from my end and Kenny was remarkably patient. We had to do like four call. Backs try tried restarting. I tried doing all this stuff and toward the end it started happening again. There's a few spots so I'm GonNa play what I got the interview. It's probably ten minutes but there's a few spots where it Kinda cuts out for. Just a second which is honestly to annoying. But it's annoying but it's not. It's not all that bad but toward the end it got real bad one or two times and I just can't. I'm so sorry I know you're busy guy. And he was very gracious about the whole thing and I still think he had some good things to say about his fantasy stakes winner. From this past week's with skydivers. We'll talk about that race. There was a lot of talk afterwards. You know the big favourite was was a harbor who was well backed and went pretty quick. Upfront and Swiss skydiver. Kenna came to her but then Venetian harbour. Dug in before was skydiver kind of propelled at the end prevailed at the end and. I don't know that there's this thought that you know if the horse would have slowed down a little bit that there would have had more late which is entirely possible. I mean that's you know the fundamentals of pace handicapping our if you know if you go slower earlier able to have more late and if you go faster. Lee sometimes you get worn out late and therefore the closers pick you up. But I don't know that it's necessarily all that true that if a horse ran you know to fifth slower and backed it up just a little instead of maybe running off or You know that would make that much of a difference a mile into a race when it's down to a showdown between two horses. Kinda just gotten it out for the last you know sixteenth eighth of a mile. I mean theoretically it should but I just don't know if that's the case like You know I just feel that. I know there's a lot of things going to a race but I don't know that Venetian harbour slowing down a touch or to make real difference in the end. I know it. I know you want to think that it does and it may have well have but I don't know that it's that. Was that much of a difference between winning and not winning this particular and Venetian harbour is still a very lightly raced horse and she picked up. Some much-needed oaks points and I to think that her connections are you fine with where they're at and where they're heading but so we won't play the Kenny mcpeek interview here in just a few moments. I am going to do another segment of race. I Love I. We'RE GONNA go back to two thousand five to Hollywood park. I've talked about this race times because it's an important race to me personally but we'll replay the audio as well and the audio is the important part to me but the race itself. I thought just had a lot of neat things going on with it during it and after it. So we'll talk about the two thousand five American oaks at Hollywood park a coming up a little bit later also WanNa take a little look at the. Ntr a pole that's right the NPR. A poll is out and I've always said it's not really something I mean I. I don't care about vote in it but it's you know sometimes fun to talk about. I used to have a a segment called hating on the N. T. R. A. And had its own. Music will well. I really went all out with the production on on that one but You know the reason I wanNA at least talk about the NTR. A poll in this instances because it is the three zero one. I think a is kind of easy to do right now. Because we're still in that progressing toward the Derby and the Derby obviously will change all of that and I guess the Belmont could if it if it happens beforehand and I know rumors. Are THAT IRIS? Trying to get back going around Memorial Day weekend. So we'll see what they decide to do with the Belmont. I saw Baffert came out and said that he he wouldn't run it if it was a mile and a half Jewish. It's funny because it is a mile and a half in June. Normally like you know that's the normal thing and you'd honestly be coming into it off more rest because it's not like his horses would be running in the preakness in two weeks. Even though they ran on Derby Day in the Arkansas Derby. But you know I mean. He was asked the question and he answered it. And you know for years. We saw Bobby. Frankel kind of use his power to kind of you know sway away from weights and handicap divisions like. He would make a big deal out of any threatened scratch and tracks tracks want to have the superstars in their big races. And they obviously want to have Bobby Frankel in their big races and his it was his way of kind of I think Not only maybe getting something done for that particular race but in the future to like the Weights Committee or whoever decides in the way sometimes. It's just the racing secretary Sometimes there is a full committee. I was part of the Committee of Portland Meadows and You know they might. They might know how God if we make this horse. One twenty five instead of one. Twenty three bobby. Frankel is GONNA make noise about it. And he's GonNa Scratch and you know so you. Kinda plant that seed. I almost wondered if you know Baffert like I said he was answering the question but I wonder if he's kind of like trying to plant the seed like. Hey if we want these superstar baffert horses. Who are two of the. He's got three of the top four in the N. T. R. E. poll right now. Tis The laws. The only non baffert in the top four Kim Guillermo at five watching that race again we talked about it. Monday of course but Watching the second division that Arkansas Derby I can gear Moran Great Man. I really think he. You know backed up his Tampa Bay Derby and It did make dolls re kick look a little bit more impressive to because I was maybe focusing on Kim gear that time but honore P and six solve Allante and Ian Max Field. Rumor is he possibly Will be making an appearance in the Matt Win at Churchill Week to The fact he's still on the top ten is pretty interesting. I think it speaks to a the maybe lack of depth right now in this three year old division because as I said when we had Brennan on a couple of weeks ago sometimes not running is the best thing in terms of rating and public perception. You haven't proven you're you're going to lose. I mean that's you know when you look at a bad maiden race a lot of times you get horses who have run five six seven eight nine ten twenty times you know. Sometimes you look to the new shooter simply because they haven't proven how bad they are and I'm obviously Mac. `field is proven that. He's a very talented runner. But you know. He did that early middle of his two year old season. We haven't seen him since then so he's still getting some street cred based on. I think people projecting that he might be good but We really won't know until we see him back to the racist but I had no as far as hating on the a poll segment. I had no real strong opinions on the the three year olds because I feel like right. Now they're kind of easy to to rank. The top thoroughbred poll is is is interesting because maximum security is like this big asterisk in there right. He seventh and total points. But he's second in first place votes and he would be first in. First Place Votes. He'd be a landslide first place votes if it wasn't for you know what came out about. Jason surface so obviously some of the voting committee is still perplexed. I think I saw that. He was back in training. Now with. And it's GonNa be weird to see the new maximum security Post Post Service. I I mean I can't imagine baffert would a run him if he didn't think he was ready to do something. Good but also you know. I just don't imagine the horse was running bad for for Baffert but we'll see he's ranked seventh right now. Overall Thomas Day todd at six seems a little bit odd have been. I don't object to that at all. Muccio Gustav that one. I kinda have questions about but by my standards ahead of Tom's Day. Todd seems of interesting and Zulu Alpha still up. There you know cece moved all the way up to fifth ahead of Tom Day. Todd I guess that one Perplexes me as well but Whitmore at eight Mr Freeze night. Code of Honor Tenth WanNa tells me to as I mean we are. We are very void of superstars right now because these are literally the top horses running aside from three year olds and some Nice Horses. Good quality horses all that kind of stuff but Outside of midnight be Su. I can't really and maybe maximum security. I mean there are to me. There's not there's not very many horses that You know put put butts in seats so to speak Know Big names and all that kind of stuff they obviously have time to carve that out but part of carving out being a big name is is against some other big names right. I mean even you know Songbird who was very very good you know. She got beat by beholder but to me she kind of proved or metal a little bit that day because she really dug in against you know who? We had kind of assumed in called a atop kind of runner so You know I know all that the polls and stuff are in the end. Don't mean a whole lot but sometimes it's fun to talk about. Let's take a quick time out. We'll do just one little commercial and Kenya. Mcpeek will join us. As I mentioned it will be a little bit chopped up and I really really apologized. Not only to you guys but to Kenny about it but We did have a good chat for what we did get in. So we'll do that right. After this short break Jason Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires is your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world. Sign up today and take advantage of our one dollars. Sign up bonus when you wager. Five hundred dollars has a twin spires player. You'll receive free Brisbane at past performances. Live video race replays. Realtime racing information and much more plus you can now split tickets with other players using bet share program on twin spires that allows players to split their vets with other members for more information visit twin spires dot com all right here on the horse racing. Podcast pleased to welcome in our next guest. Whose VOLT book graded stakes winning trainer. Who this past week settled so skydiver to a winning the Green. Three fantasy stakes. Please welcome back. Kenny mcpeek to the show. Kenny how are you? I'm doing super. Thank you appreciate you coming on a big score for your philly. You posted some pictures so I was assuming you're on track how how surreal was watching a race like that with like twenty people around you. Yes definitely unusual You you're so used to having a huge crowd especially oaklawn and You know for them to unfortunate but It's a great place to go racing and I think they did a good job. On under the circumstances she She sat behind the favourite early on and I thought Brian Road tactically very good race. Kinda snuck up into second on that I turn and then went to apply pressure. Were you happy with where she was throughout the early stages of the race in which she kind of wear you expected her to be she was able to enter. I start she wiggled or in. Traffic came from next to last and one off easily so we knew we knew she could do it on. I think there were those that thought that the race at Gulfstream was kind of anomaly. In the she she got the easy lead and she's This phillies very professional. She's last three races. Going to turns have been per alley. Can you mention her her win? In the Gulfstream Park folks and people thinking. It was kind of an anomaly and I think lot of people were surprised at the speed. She showed that Dan pocket. I thought was brilliant. That day Was that a new dimension. She showed for you or were you kind of expecting that day for her to be out front. Well we had runner. Short Sheelah D- Pack especially in the race at Tampa. She really probably should have won that day. And she got off a step slow and then she had to circle the field wide and only gets beat about a length and Absorb frustrating and that. We think she should have won that day but then from there was okay. Look we've gotTA get straight to to turns because we all know that the big races are two turns and most people don't realize that the stakes program in Florida isn't very conducive to finding to turn race for three year old filly They run the Devonian Dale Short at Gulfstream IV actually employee raises but the only one of auction was the son Costa Tampa. We mow to in it too so It's a situation where we had. The shipper had shepherd fairgrounds to run in the in the race. There I believe it was the silver bullet that day or forgetting The name of that one. But anyway we shipped over there then we had to had to Chip BACK DOWN TO GULFSTREAM ship. All over the board And but she's handled it really. Well she actually drive doing it. So quite proud of everything she's accomplished and I still think You were hunting for grade. One from here her I want to talk about her development in the sense that you know her debut last fall. Churchill's took a lot of money. It was a big field. Were you expecting what you saw from? Her debut was fantastic. Yeah her She had worked lights out going into that and that was one of those restricted money racist because she had run Awry Bader for thirty thousand so yeah so so that so that condition was was unique but she got that done easy enough and and then I was going to go to terms with her. But couldn't get A to turn race distill and we were hunting and hunting and hunting for two. Turner Right. It just didn't happen so we ran our one mile to act the seven eight and You know it's Since we've gone longer the better she does. You made some news. After the fantasy noting you might consider overseas trip with her with with everything pushed back in a lot uncertain. I imagined the plotting of schedules and stuff now is very unique for you guys. The schedules are moving target. Right now. You really just don't know because of everything happening and you know I think she's a Philly that will take to the term for that any trouble Now there's nothing listed in the US that she could point of any significance and the fact that a lot of their horses are going to be coming off Layoffs they haven't been running so we're GONNA be at a competitive advantage but We've got a lot of logistics works to figure out on that That shouldn't be terribly difficult. I've done it before Wesleyan I've worked together. I was sleeping and then Wesley Certainly perfected the trip And I've run well over there but I haven't won and it might be an opportunity to do something unique. Yeah I would think that knowing that you have the points and obviously you have the first Friday in September you know kind of spot guaranteed there. I mean I imagine that does help at least because you have a poll in the distance of kind of where you WANNA be in. Be Peaking and stuff well if she's training as well as she did going into this go A trip like that. I don't think so out of the question. I mean the euro's come over and back to run an eye races all the time. We just don't tend to go their direction very often. Hansa phillies value dramatically. If you can pull something like this all to prove that she can run on turf dirt. Medica- no medication. When you end up Bringing hurt auction or any of her foals dogs. And then I think you'll get people's attention and or worldwide attention and Peter Callahan's a guy that that that understands that he's bread Top horses and then evariste worldwide. And so he gets the big picture and and he seems at this point up for we've got like I said we've got some logistics to work out and figure out the timing and the details but It's possible we're going to see we're GONNA look at all really close. Can you repeat you on his here on the program? I know you've been primarily running horses at Gulfstream Park. The last few weeks are. Are You staying down in Florida? Are you still basing in Kentucky Right now well Guess yes The you know I spend about twenty straight years based at Gulfstream and then came back into Kentucky just firing away and young horses route Florida to shift it over to Gulf st or. I'm sorry shift over to Oakland for four or five seasons and had a had a over there that there with his young verses We made a an effort on that and it didn't work out. So I've shifted my tax per se back to Florida and And then we ship out of that base I own own summerfield training center and in Just south of Ocala. And we've got all our young horses there and then we've got the main division at Gulfstream but those horses are getting ready to rotate to towards Can All those details right now? Speaking of a Gulfstream Park you send out an envelope I I said that right To a fourth place. Finish in the honey Ryder. This weekend I know she debuted on the grass broke maiden last time out on the dirt. Had you been wanting to get back on the turf with that runner you're primarily Berkeley We couldn't get the to turn to go so we went in the grass We got the to turn race ago and in and that worked out well and she remained easily then we entered into fantasy because she was going to run as an entry was Wiscon- diver and she was to get excluded. So we after over to the Gardenia and she did get excluded there and then they had five scratches which is a little frustrating and then and then it was like okay. We've got her teed up. But where do we go? So we put her in the race at Gulfstream and I don't like the way pace of that race. Unfold for I I think that that we could have done a little better job tactically either way. It unfolded I think a little too aggressive going into the first turn. It didn't show much patience and we talked about that race But but now she'll shift back to the dirt and I'm probably going to take a little time with her and you'll probably see surface in June or July depending on timing. I think she's a Philly. That's got to run in I think she could be an oaks. Philly I mean she. She's she's shown she's got that kind of talent but at the the pattern hadn't fallen right in place on her as far as getting to regular dirt routine to turns. Well unfortunately this is where the audio really Kinda went. Bad and I tried to piece that together as much because I thought Kenny had some some good information and I just I so appreciate time like I said he was very patient and we tried to make it work in the the connection was just dropping out too much and it started getting real bad so we will get Kenny on another time. But really really appreciate his time and his What's the word I'm looking for patients? You know we're all I mean we're just we're all subject to the technology we have and it's It's working behavior at that particular time. Unfortunately it's going to happen every so often but Can't Kenny enough and we will be right back. After this short time out for little episode of Race I love coming up next here on a Wednesday edition of the Jason horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires not only offers the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device. But we also have great offers for our players visit twinspires.com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick FOUR BONUSES TO WIN. Sheri- thoroughbred to harnessed we have offers and promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers to find out what operas are available to You. Jason Beam horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is Your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation? Join host Jason Bean. Has He discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires DOT COM or on. Itunes spreaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason Beam racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires are once again my thanks to Kenny mcpeek. And appreciate his time in the policies. You guys Indicating for having a kind of piece together that interview with the The technical issues we had We're GONNA do the erase. I love segment here in a moment but I wanted to mention an article that Matt Haggerty who we had on the show last week wrote about Per Race handle rising one hundred sixty four percent in April and the article basically says the. Us held seven hundred forty six races in April decline of seventy one percent But per race handle of course up significantly and it's very obvious number. I mean we know that there's way less track. So therefore you have the same or maybe a little bit less of betters now forced to wager on literally six or seven products so you know the the range of supply is diminished and therefore the demand at each of those places goes up and so Not surprised by that. I think you know there's been a lot of talk over the years about whether consolidation would be a good thing for racing at this point and I think that it. I think that this virus going to do that to a lot of industries. I think racing will not be untouched by that. I think so far. The only track that is literally shuttered. Because of this was a a greyhound track up Ermington Greyhound but you know harness obviously is there you know everybody starting to talk about picking up and going again and running again and it seems like each day. We're seeing another track. That's kind of cemented. Their plans and I think part of that momentum is you know it just took one or two places to kind of you know. Take a step out and say look. We're going to try to start this day. And you know makes you know the first step is always the the first person across the the line is always the one that has to deal with the most Blowback and so. We're GONNA start seeing that in other sports as well but I saw Louisiana announced. They're gonNA open June six. They're not going to run the Super Derby this year. I obviously wanted to have that person. Money for their folks who support their card On a daily basis in terms of But it'll be interesting to see if if contraction is accelerated a little bit you know because of a the slot reliable tracks relying on the slot machines and stuff for their funding for purses and all that but also You know if if some tracks just don't survive what's going to be a has been and is probably going to be for a while a tough economic situation and You know we've seen that one of the byproducts of less tracks running has been field-sized jumping up. I mean every race had oakland for weeks. There was a full field and Okla generally have pretty good fields but early in the meet. There's a lot of sixes sevens and eights and stuff in there and you couldn't you couldn't even sniff a Tan. It seemed like outside of the Arkansas is of course but You know I don't WanNA I. I Never WanNa see race tracks close. I WanNa see the sport grow. I don't know that the growth in racing in terms of field sizes. Obviously I mean you see the year to year decrease in number of full so tell that starts correcting itself because owners breeders and stuff can make some money You know I don't know that. Were going to Nazi contraction. Because you know having to bet five four. Six horsfield's is just not entertaining for for bettors. It's not a good betting proposition And it's a hard game to beat with the takeout. What it is as it is so when you multiply that by less numbers of combinations and stuff it just makes for a a not great recipe. I've definitely been a little more pessimistic. That's the last couple of weeks days. I do think this entire thing is an opportunity for a bit of a revolution in terms of how the game the gaming part of the game is structured. And maybe you know try to incentivize our players to play more by charging less or by offering a better product or both God forbid so we'll see if I mean I'm like I said I'm not. I'm not hopeful that change will be spurred by that but you know hopes Kind of one of the only things we got so we got we got to. We have to try to stick it out. I'm trying to put on a smiley face so race. I love let's Let's let's do the intro. It's a slow racing day therefore time to go back in the old time traveler. To a race I love love that Generic heavy metal music that royalty free not copyrighted heavy metal music race. I love well. We'RE GONNA go back to two thousand and five which oddly enough is the same year of our last race. I love so so far. I'm two for two in fact The two races themselves were only about a month and a half apart Maybe I'll have to branch out next week when we go. Maybe go somewhere a little more modern or maybe maybe even a little bit older. Who knows but we go back to July. The third so July third here in Seattle is the Emerald Bounced Fireworks Night They always do their big fireworks show. It's the biggest one in the Kent Auburn Valley on July third. And then you know everybody else obviously does it on. The fourth doesn't matter what day of week it is. They do it on July third. It's become a big tradition and has been for quite a while and on that day I was down at Emerald downs. But they weren't starting until later on in the evening. I think the racist started at like five or five thirty and so I got there early. I went out to the quarter shoot cafe. Which is the backstretch cafe? Sally Sally Joe Steiner owned and operated there too of just the sweetest people in the world and it's a great backstretch cafe like have you can go out there in the morning. It's open to the public. You can watch the horses. Come and go onto the track and it's it's pretty awesome part of of Emerald downs history so But I went out there because that was where the simulcasting was open. And my Buddy Ben root who was a trainer had been out of his barn and I worked my way back into the cafe and it was about fifteen minutes to post for the grade. One American oaks now. The American oaks was kind of a new race in two thousand and five at had just been created a couple of years earlier. I think it was I ran in two thousand and two. In fact the great megahertz one go a mile and a quarter in two minutes point. Four six but You know she was obviously a really really good. One helped launch this race into becoming a grade one pretty early on its existence. It was A mile and a quarter on the grass. It was kind of a late Season Hollywood park has obviously del Mar. Would starting just a few weeks. It was usually a little bit just before the Gold Kappa. Phi Remember correctly but You know like I said a race that it was was pretty new to the scene and had already generate some interesting buzz and their big thing was. They wanted to get runners from overseas and this particular edition Drew several Single lease a Great Britain bread Lewis Line from Ireland bread three degrees in Irish Bred Irish Bred Silver Cup Sweet firebird and other Irish Brett. Great Britain beds silken scarlet irish-bred. Hallo dream and the Japanese bred Cesario. Who was going to be the CO second choice? The favorite in this race was affiliate Mellor and Miller. India was coming over from New York. And Back East. Bobby Frankel Stud TNT You know they they. They paid one hundred twenty. Five thousand four her at keeneland September and she breaks her maiden at Belmont Park in her first career start rallies from from mid pack on the grass and doesn't only win wins going away by and a half at odds of seven to one. So you got a little bit of price on this Bobby Frankel First-timer so she goes on to win the Miss Grillo stakes at Belmont. They give her the rest of the winter off. She comes back a three year. Old Wins the Appalachian stakes. Lynn follows that up with a score in the sands point stakes grade. Three at Belmont Park on Belmont weekend. I think it was right. It might have even been Belmont Day but That same weekend the first weekend in June one at two to five rallied from off the pace. I mean just had been crushing her opponent. She comes into this. American oaks her first trip out west and we know Franken had spent some time out West but she ends up going off as you're sixty five favorite in this spot Johnny Velazquez coming over to ride. It's interesting looking back at the chart. Garrett Gomez riding single EAS Rene Douglas Lewis Line Jerry Bailey riding three degrees. I mean the Gary Stevens. Alex Sali's Corey Nakatani David Florez P. Vowel ON LONGSHOT. Hallowed Dream You Fukunaga the writer are before the race started. I liked Osario as a bet and before the race started. I remember talking to fixed offer on the show years ago and Vick said that you know this horse. Kinda was washed out and running off and if you watch. Tv G has some coverage of this race on Youtube. And if you watch like she warms up a damn near full sprint. Like it's it's crazy. How much intent. She's working going. I remember Victoria Me. That you know he was really kinda shocked with how vigorously they were warming up and how hot. She was getting and she was breaking from the far outside post. She's breaking in the twelve post a mile and a quarter race at Hollywood so they would start in that far far. Shoot and so not the best of Of Post position for this one mellor. I in drew perfectly in a post five. You know she had kind of a come from behind style and you know really was looking to go five for five and submit herself as As kind of the you know the Star three-year-old Tur- Philly in the country at this point so the reason that this race is so special to me is I remember as I sat and watched this in the quarter shoot cafe vicks call of the race to me is as close to perfect as a race call could get He's he's his timing his pitch his everything. He doesn't miss a single thing in the race. It's just step by step by step this perfect gradual build and SS. Reo comes off the top of the stretch and really starts to open up. You know his call just builds with that and I still to this day. I've heard this race and watch this race hundred times. Maybe more. The hair on my arms still stands up. And that's what happened when I was in the quarter shoot cafe On just never forget. I was watching it. It was kind of raised. Tv Some looking up at it and like the hair on my arms just stood up and it's just such an amazing race call and entertaining race. So here's a listen back to the American oaks two thousand five the Great Cesario. They're good start scenario in single EAS from their outside post show speed. That's what I mean and is. Let cozine close up at the rail. Three degrees is mid pack alongside hallowed dream to the outside Silken scarlet and Silver Cup. Lewis Line has to check briefly off forces mellor second to last early and the trailer is sweet. Firebird cozine take charges. They hook up with the main course and Islam. Cozine is now three lengths in front of. That's what mean in second says. Reo Is well-placed. For Japan. She is third only in the two path from the twelve twelfth hole as they race at the clubhouse turn a length and a half to member read who is fourth in on the front end is look cozine trying to win the American right here. And now she's five lengths in front single eas how low dream and Silken scarlet or next. They're all about nine from the front three degrees mellor. I ended up to the BACKSTRETCH AND LOUIS. Line all eleven lengths from the front. Silver Cup is already pushed along thirteen from the lead. And if sweet firebird ends the fourth American oak she'll make up fifteen lengths in four and a half furlongs. Islah cozine tries to slow it down to the half-mile pole. But that's what I mean and Caesaria will have none of that and that's what I mean has taken over the lead that's all for is let cozine drops back his second. Sorry who is in perfect striking position. Now just a neck from the front single lease memorandum. Lewis Line has passed several. Here's Lewis Line up into fourth but length and a half to Laura into WHO's got a long way to comments says. Reo takes charge at the top of the stretch and says reo has opened up a big lead. She has four lengths in front of singles in second then comes. That's what I mean. Laura India's eight legs from the Japanese superstar Dario Tosari Oh stretch. She's running off their feet. Likes him figure elise how you get in a second? But no way that she touched the winner says reo win the fourth American jobs mellor solidly defeated in second single as third and three degrees. Finish for it. It's just so great. It's so great so Zari. Oh running them off their feet password. Stretch so Zari I. I get chills. The during the whole call it's so great The reason it's also so special to me is literally the next day. I went to the sporting store by my house and they were having a fourth of July sale and I bought a pair of Leopold binoculars that my friend Chris Carpet. Neto had recommended because he used them hunting. And I started. I went up to the grandstanded. Emerald and I sat in a friend's box. I didn't pay for and I would just kind of called the races under my breath and I remember after I did that I go you know I kinda could. I think I can kind of this. And at the time I was memorizing them via the Celtics are the saddle towel. And you know. I didn't really know what I was doing it but I knew that I wanted to do it and I could do it and I wanted to. I wanted to feel what I felt when vic called that race like every day and every race and I spent the next six months practicing every chance I could get at Emerald and then down at Portland and it was actually. It was literally about six months from that day. I got to call my first race because it was January. Eighth of two thousand six. A Colt named sue down at Portland Meadows so That race will just always be so special me of course as REO would go on to have a very good breeding career. She produced a couple of really nice horses including a Japanese Think at Japanese champion. Three year old filly of the year. A couple years later has had a couple of Of Good Offspring Mellor. Linda was never quite the same she. She went on mean she ran a good third and the Beverley D. Had A disappointing effort in the flower bowl later that year and then would win the potty stakes at Belmont Park. I hope I'm saying that right might be capitals but had to Ended up retiring after that She had been off for nine months before winning that capital steaks and so not sure exactly what happened but went to her retirement with Five wins from eight starts. Four hundred eighty three scenario would never run again. Suffered an injury and was a bread after that but That one afternoon in July at Hollywood park she was just some kind of brilliant and it is certainly a race. I love so I appreciate guys indulging me on this little segment. I'm having fun with it while we have a little bit of a shortage in racing and so looking forward to probably doing it the next couple of Tuesdays or Wednesdays till we start to pick it up live racing more so but of course. Tampa's returning today Gulfstream's back Thursday and sort. You're getting into another racing weekend. We'll start talking more about those races as we go tomorrow horse player Thursday Valente. The Track Phantom is going to join US looking forward to having the jury on on Friday. And we'll get you ready for the upcoming weekend Appreciate the emails. Keep those come. Jason Charles Bima gmail.com getting some good ones and What I really love about some of the emails. I'm getting his people reflecting and looking at their own horse playing and asking questions and talking about the things they're trying or doing and Love to see those kind of conversations happening. I don't think they happen enough so All Forum Jason Charles Bima no dot Com. We will see you guys back here tomorrow. Everybody have a great rest of your Wednesday.

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Part 3: Juan Carlos Guerrero

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

37:43 min | 1 year ago

Part 3: Juan Carlos Guerrero

"And Good Morning. Hey Steve thanks for having me on. Yeah I mean it's all too familiar It's been Definitely a roller coaster. Week for us and Mike Team and and I know Eric Johnson as well my owner You know it's I think people don't realize how much time and effort and and energy we spend with our horses and and how much we love him so when something like this happened. It's it's almost like we in a family member and I wish more people would realize is that But yeah it definitely has been a roller coaster of emotion the the attempt to of course to to save Princess Dorian and Eric Being widely recognized the he's already greatly appreciated as is a professional sports Athletes and and the kind of Ambassador that the the game Really appreciates and then you know to to basically just immediately say whatever means necessary to to try to to save the mayor. It's so hard and the laminate is side of this When it comes to the weight distribution it's incredible challenge for for them and when it starts to go wrong it's it's very rare to get it back the other way? Yeah no I it really is it. It was so positive for the first six seven days. And you know we kept getting good reports and And all that so when this happened to really really tuchus. Oh 'cause Bhai surprised and came out of left field. We thought she was really on the road to recovery. But you know when that's when they start when they found her and that starts to come in it it happens happens quickly so Dr hogging did a great job over there at At San Louis writedowns at the clinic over there and everyone did as much as they could. And and Eric like you said. He's a huge advocate for the game and the first thing you said. was you know whatever it takes to get this mayor back the back the health And we'll put her on a farm and she can live a good life somewhere and you know those are the kind of owners that we have and we need. And it's great that Eric has a voice and and is able to use it in a positive away for our sports and You know hopefully this can be some kind of a blessing in disguise of some sort and maybe help show people that compassion compassion for animals You know what we will do to go to to get them healthy. Well we talk about Eric and His presence and and he just loves loves the game and they were so enthusiastic. He's been on with me a couple of times now and and You know just you. Certainly you know that I mean as a professional athlete. He certainly more uniquely equipped apt to deal with you. Know great disappointment and and the great thrills and had both You talk about you know what a welcome presence he. He is a euro welcome presence on on the trainer Community Front And you know I think you know what you're not even thirty right twenty five. I'm I'm thirty now in April thirty but yeah okay all right. I knew I knew you were. You know I knew you're in your twenties buddies late twenties so well I'll I'll be sixty tomorrow so you have you thank you so I I remember when I when I was thirty but You know you have Beta a you know a steady increase at a at a steady presence and and it's interesting because you've got kind of a Bobby Frankel story developing which is you know somebody that kind of came out of the the grandstand a better and took an interest and went ahead and got your feet dirty and and your hands dirty talk about about getting getting job and walk in Hotson and you know how this all came about that? You're even training. Yeah I mean it's it's definitely probably probably not the way most trainers getting the game or their dad. Were doing her. The grandparents were doing and I was on the other side. I grew up going to Hollywood park with my dad when I was four. I know Oh is that. took him Arlington when they were living in Wisconsin So it's kind of been something I've always been around and I love the When I was able to to to do it in a couple of pieces of horses and really get back your and see what went into it? I just absolutely fell in love with it. I fell more in love with the work. That win on On the backside more than going to the races so You know I was around it and I just said this is something I really WanNa do. And and that's what I did. I I I came to the bar early in the morning. A shadowed some grooms some hot walkers and Kinda got my feet wet in and did a lot of the jobs that These guys do and and saw what it took to get these horses ready to race in really got an appreciation for it and then eventually got my trainer's license I mean that took that took a while and it was. It was a process. I honestly thought it would be a little less challenging and yet I kind of just thought go in there. Give them a couple of hundred bucks they give your license. But it's not I like that I it took me six seven months and they put me through a lot of tests which is a great thing. that they did that and we started with a couple of horses and originally. I just wanted to train trained for myself But then we started to kind of have a little success and just kind of snowballed from there and we grew. You know a lot quicker than I thought very blessed issue like it was It's been on. It's been a lot of fun and I've assembled a good team and I got some owners and I think that's all help to get us to where we are all right now and you you learn from And and have had access to some people that you know have had plenty of success over the years and You know you work the little for Mike pender. You've got An advisory The potential with Janine Sahadi talk talk about you know where you go for advice when when you do encounter things And how you approach them. Yeah I mean Janin's been absolutely fantastic. She is as anyone knows what. She's a very tough lady salt She doesn't sing. Praises very much to me. It's usually criticism But that's okay. She's a great sounding board for me. I call her Three or four times a week just to bounce ideas off of her or little things that come up and how she dealt with them and she's she's been absolutely fantastic in a huge park to to to me and in my development and I really appreciate what she's done for me and continues to do for me so having people like that That you can kind of lean on and kind of learn learn from With that much experience and and success that they've had has really really helped me a lot so I definitely have to thank her for that. That gives us an example of something that you know that you've encountered as you've been learning and as you know you Y- either look at a horse or you know you talk to the talk to a vet talk to a farrier. I mean the explain to people what the learning curve has been like and what it takes to keep acquiring the knowledge because you know that that never ends actually. Yeah I mean you know the one thing. I've tried to be a sponge. I know what I don't know and I'm happy to admit that I don't know so you know when I have guys like West. Champagne vary vary over here who I choose a lot of good horses for for Baffert and guys like that I I sit there and I walked him and I looked at him and you know I say you know. I looked to see what he's doing math questions and I try to do that a lot. I I talked to a lot of the trainers out there that I really admire. I mean John Sadler has sat down with me. I picked his brain a plan on your times I I went to a sale. We had lunch together. And just Kinda just you know ask questions and and things like that. How you deal with things and you know with Janine just bouncing commitment ideas off the Horse Kinda high headed and doing some things Or kind of wants to stop at the at the wire. Will you know she's suggested going through the white work another seven. You know just different little things that you picked up but the one thing that it really just kind of a gut. It's kind of a gut feeling that you have with your horses. Because being them being with them every day and the one thing I really learned as not really a cookie cutter method. I think I kinda was falling into that that that logic in the beginning which is totally wrong. They're they're also individual that you have to really individualized program for each of them And one thing you do for one might not be the same for another horse so you know no. I think we start when we started originally and had a bunch of claiming horses. I think that really help. I saw a lot of different things. that really Kinda got me I guess I I guess I got to learn along quickly because of the different things you get in the claiming game versus two year olds or buying them from Europe. You're up so I think that really helped development as well the other part of this that that absolutely you've got to explain and and flush lash out is finding owners and building a client base Wh what was your approach on that front. Yeah I mean it's it's it's It definitely it. It's not a struggle. You just gotTa Kinda you gotta you gotTa you know they want you to do well so when we started doing well This being out there every day at the races talking to people knowing people I met Eric. Johnson Maybe a year and a half ago at del Mar and we had dinner. And you know he in an giving me a horse until another year and a half later and I think it's just being out there and I think doing the right thing and and communicating and Kinda show yourself out there and And if you're doing well people people like that so You know winning does help a lot. And I've I've assembled a really really good team that has helped me get to where I am. And I think that just kind of propelled but it does take good owners that are willing to give you a shot and I i. I've had some like that. And that's it's one of the things that has has been a an area of challenge it. I think everybody starts out with a with a certain with certain base or a support support system or you know whatever whatever the mechanism is actually you mean. Let's also that's also be frank. You know you've got a little financial wherewithal. All at this point in your life to to that gives you some stability absolutely. I mean that that one hundred percent helps. I mean it when you can Train and not be worried as much About not just the bottom line but it's very difficult to make the ends meet meet here At the track. I've admiration for all these trainers because it's not you you start in the whole And you know you bill. Your owners. After the thirtieth thirtieth used to pay for all the pack and everything for those thirty days and It's a tough tough challenge And I really didn't realize how tough it is and I I I had started a couple of other businesses before I got into this and I've done some different things and have had employees and despite despite four is the most challenging thing I've ever done in my life I mean not even close There's so many different. Hats at trainer has to wear Not just dealing with the his employees and his horses the owners. But there's just so many things that go on in the day that I don't think people realize I have great appreciation even more now for all my my fellow colleagues and trainers Andrew Learner with us and the the ups and downs Right Here since the start start of del Mar meet. Just you know the script Just you gotta be prepared for anything. while while everybody was hopeful With Princess Story and during the week leading into the Betty grable talk a little bit about preparations for the stake on Saturday Sunday. Yeah I mean we. We thought she was going going into it. Really well I mean she's there's is is so tough she's she's allowed me to try different things with her and Kinda put up with a little bit of my stupidity And and As really still done well and you know it's been tough because it was hard to find some places to run her They weren't the most ideal spas. We had a runner against the boys That worked out obviously Bertrando but then we didn't really have another then. We decided to take a shot in the Clement Hirsch and that was a little too deep then we had to come back with the boys. He's and then we use the five and a half sprint race Here at Santa Anita just China has a trap for the Betty Graham on. I think that really helped pined her up. And and then You know Flavian worker for me Her two weeks before there. Becky gray boy. He said this this. This mayor's doing really well so when we drew outside I think that was very helpful. And you know frog and put a really good ride on her She can she can get a little tougher and rank But he you know I I mean it's such a general anti just really put her in the right spot in You know when he asked to go she she went so that was a thousand really exciting when I think team really really needed that We wanted that one. Obviously with the news you know a prince during the about eight hours later kind of dull but It was still a great great win for the team and the owners Queen Btu. She's an old topper mayor. and that alone makes you smile. Always AH always like The old oppor calibrate obviously Originally Tommy town and this one making what the fifth start. And you've you know nice nice inherit a course essentially in the in the barn. It was very very nice. I mean You know Mike did a great job with her. We shared this mutual. Eleanor Chris So it just Kinda was fit for to come over to my barn in but He did a great job with her. And I think we just kind of picked up the baton and ran with it and My guys had done a very good job with her here. Getting the right every race. She's she's a tough little mare and but she goes out there and tries every time so I mean anytime American makes two hundred over two hundred thousand. The year owners are pretty happy. No doubt this win against you. Know some familiar names including Sherlock's show it and more what Who feels like? She's been around for seven years as only four believable right. Ah Gary's one of my absolute favorite people does just a great job and she. This is one of those horses that kick them out for a break they scream and Holler and she just she just keeps coming at it and and funny she was not she took no money in this at all the money went to mostly cow Who of course had been right was a had been a the breeders cup participant? Yeah yeah they all that money they better down to three to five When they when the gates opened and I think you know everyone else kind of floated up so you got very fair value on on on the race well more What lies ahead after this? That's a good question uh-huh we're going to try to kind of map out. Her campaign really came out of the race. Well so you know the one thing we really. That's missing from her resume may is a greatest stakes placing So you know. There's a couple of races that we may be targeted just to try to get her. Some more black pipe possibly to help her residual value So what kind of map out her campaign and the next Dan I I'll go over with my owners But so far she came out of it really well. So we're we're we're open. She's GonNa Continue Moving Forward Queen. BTU and show at the age of five. A you've gotta with the stake win got a great state placing and she'll she'll be attractive As a broodmare. Certainly she's out of touch gold mayor to so certainly got a place At the very least a cow program or more let me ask you about a couple of others including being ranger who I I kept trying to build up and make a case for going into the Volvo was kind of a little bit of a you know a mystery. I'm sure you were just taking advantage of the opportunity to to run them in that spot and why not. It wasn't going to be a big field at the home but Feels like you know. There's some quality them. Yeah I mean. We were a little disappointed with with with that race. We you know Kinda like you said said. We wanted to take a shot. It was a short field We didn't think there were any standouts. Obviously those are the there are very nice horses But I think he just might be more of a turf turf for she was kind of climbing. He's a little bit more of a difficult course to trainee He can be a little goofy and I the week before I try to put him behind a horse get some dirt in his face but he he really didn't like it so kind of the original plan on the paddock with. Try to swing him out wide And kind of let gotTa make one run but he broke okay and we Kinda got pinned on the rail and four star handle. Martine wasn't able to get out but he has a lot out of ability. I mean he showed it in that first race We always we always liked them. I told Eric I said this course can run. This horse can run a little bit And he didn't disappoint appoints in that first race but we gotta work the kinks out. A little He just a young two year old obviously and he's still learning but he'll he'll have a bright future ahead. I think well and for you know for somebody starting out. You got your share of of steak runners and if we go back yeah To Breeders Cup weekend the EPA Dini is girl with another Nice Nice showing that came in the in the mattie stakes. Yeah she's a she's she's a really nice mayor and I've been I've always wanted to sprint her You know sometimes these horses at that going on the lead in these route races. This is when he turned him back. sprinting I've found they just they really can have that closing kick and she she. She did that. She broke a little slow. And we got in a little trouble But but they're Ronald did a great job and brought her up the rail We ran against some good horses. But I I think I think sprinting will be a new game for her and oh I think she'll do really well at that And now that was a really important greatest stakes when our great steaks placing for for the owner George Schwartz has been around the game a longtime amen. I know that really helped her value. But she's She's a nightmare and I think we'll sprinter moving forward nice and no shortage of opportunities. Obviously yeah exactly and I do want to ask about The maiden to that place the other day I I had where the word lose track where magically honored going back The week before Breeders Cup. She's she's a really nice philly too. I mean she's one one that she really she needs to be on the lead and Martine did a good job gender out there. We almost stole that race. But she's she's really moving forward and progressing You know we'll see her. She'll probably run at del Mar Next week but she trained in very forwardly To I mean Eric really done a good job and helped me with some and with some really nice judy roles we have another one named absolute weapon. That we stretched out for the first time and And one really nicely the Thursday I think before the Breeders Cup here at Santa Anita. So you know he's he's one too. I I really like an asset talent. Does everything right so You know the two year old. Eric has has given the opportunity to train. They've all seen to show some some ability so we're hoping moving forward into three year old season that they can all kind. Kind of imitative further steps forward. Absolutely ah when it comes to that. Do you have a already. Do you have a feel. Oh for what kind of young horse you you like How many two year old in training sale graduates have have come your way how? How many yearlings that were acquired at that time and then developed on on somebody's farm and and sent your way. Hey what do you know what. That's another learning curve essentially absolu- I mean this is really my first year with a good solid group. A two year old And Eric had some yearling that he bought last year that I ended up getting and and a few that you know raider absolute weapon and a couple of the other ones they were or Bought in the in the breeze up sales so You know we're starting to get a lot more. I Know Eric was very active at the September. yearling sale and I think we bought ten or ten or twelve of them and and hopefully getting a few of those but It's definitely was. It has been a learning curve. But I think that's probably been my favorite part of up training right right now is is Dealing with the two year olds just watching them develop And I think that's probably the most fun part of it. Well lots to look forward forward to Any any unraced two year olds that nobody knows about yet. there's one unreas- two year old that we had to send back to the farm but Shilton Chilton nothing serious but we'll be back soon. She is a American feral Philly for My vindicate racing and Perry Martin. They own this philly together and she's she's something that we were really hoping to get her gone or two year old year but she just wasn't mature enough So we wanted to let let her have some time to grow up but she is a big strong silly And I think she's GonNa be really really nice which when she gets back and a three year old. What's her name name? Her name is farrow. Lady she's out of town there they decent money for her and That that's really I think will will be a very good runner. Put her daughter in the watchlist folks and when she gets to the racetrack and starts to show up on the work tab. You'll you'll know a probably sometime in Santa Anita after the first of the year guessing. Yup Yup exactly well Andrew Delighted to get you And talk about you. Know the the good and the bad The happy end sat and the first of I many visits. I'm sure yeah. I appreciate you having me honesty. Thank you so much for all the support. Not at all Andrew Learner. Everybody and Hammer Hammer sent me a text he said. Oh you're going to have andrew wine. That's great. He said he's younger. I and really enthusiastic and great for the game and you know it is good that somebody is is standing up for the sun. Devils there with all the Arizona graduates. I have to talk about it. At least there's one Arizona State Guy That that I am an IRA Arizona State Fan. I break where am I proudly everyday to Iraq and Real quickly rick. Rick was a huge part of Megan. Started because you know usually coming into a place like just get stalls is very very difficult and I had to plead my case and he was very very generous and just give me one or two stalls start so huge. Thank you to him as well. Well you can follow Andrew Twitter. Andrew underscore learner her and he's also got the the website to in fact. You're in the Web Dev business on the side right. That's that was one of your. That's one of your business. Yeah that was not as much anymore I take the horses sources have a way of working making you work seven days a week viewpoint address You can also check the website out and contact them that way to learner racing stable DOT COM Andrew. Talk again soon. I'm maybe I'll see you at Los Alamos. Starlet futurity week her. All right. Thanks so much for having me on the not at all all Andrew Learner everybody very encouraging. Ah for everybody that you know in the SEC had some advantages Getting started but but it's encouraging for the young people that and there's a lot of good lot of good stories towel on that front might be a good story to Ital- here after the break. We'll come back after this. 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I know they'll be glad to see old old friends equine dot. Org College at five to eight six three seventeen seventy five. No back to the races with Steve on Sirius. XM radio we're back on the races around five minutes to fill out on this Tuesday and I mentioned The news that is actually actually press conference going on right now at Keeneland as the the group of racetracks. A that back in the in the spring. If you'll recall when Belinda stronach was encouraging the the rest of the industry. Join the stronach rope as they scurried to to fix a The Grand Canyon That they had created the outgrowth of that appears to be see this new initiative that is going to be called the thoroughbred safety coalition and so Churchill gained stronach stronach group naira combined. Del Mar in there as well. So they've expanded the Breeders Cup to has signed on but those those are. Yeah those were the same. These were the same tracks that And and organizations that were to get in the spring had had made You know the the commitment to you know working together. So essentially it's a it's a companion initiative that much like we discussed on Friday with Alan Foreman. With what the mid Atlantic has spearheaded and been well ahead of the curve and The EPA as well and right. Now you know there's a bunch of talking points Just about doing everything that can be he done together to assure that horses that are going out to compete are are prepared to do so I I. That's the easiest later really the characterize initiative like this and you're going to see a million quotes CAITLYN's Vince Gabbard. I see quotes from him in from drew. Fleming was taken on the job at Breeders Cup with Craig Frail Taking on the the chief executive role at at Stranak Roope the coalition will work regulatory bodies and use house rules to put forward any needed changes. Here's a quote from. This is from Gabbert do we. This adding more members that's closed group. Want people to come together on. Come on the board. Be Part of these initiatives. Help us with this effort. Want to we're going to get to the point of knowing every step of of Horses from the time they're born until they retire and go out to their second careers kind of fills in that that talking point of of todd pleasures that the todd brought up when we spoke to him and and todd has been beating a steady drumbeat on that front. Aren't you know from from early on the coalition would account for all the triple crown races and Over eighty percent of the graded stakes as well Fourteen Tracks California Florida Illinois Kentucky Louisiana the Anna Maryland Pennsylvania. I would say New York. My wife New York not included colluded in in among those near if it was only three racetracks and thirty percent of the handle of American racing involved. Yeah it's all ah much like Much like what the TA represents in the accreditation of the after care. You know kind of a umbrella group can't you know can only help and mm-hmm we'll see more obviously We'll get we'll get the appropriate parties. He's they do have a website. Set up I sort of thumbed through all this As I discuss it with you thoroughbred safety coalition dot com. There's not a lot to it as of yet they For reforms they're discussing a lot of the thing of all the things that we discussed with Allen the other day the the increase of withdrawal all times for non steroidal at the inflammatories. Yeah creased pushing back Corticosteroids etcetera no stacking of non steroidal the uniformity and rules all good things. All the things things that really in in in most cases all these organizations in the states and uh-huh regulatory bodies are have been working on. You know all all the time. It's these are all ongoing efforts. This is this is something that certainly would would be good to put a public face on a uniform voice so certainly supportive and we'll We'll get depending on. Who's who who the principles our we'll get to the appropriate parties the to flesh out a lot of the initiatives this morning warning zipped by fun to get Andrew Learner and here had the fun conversation with Gujarati? Thanks Ed for the preview for tomorrow's pick five at Churchill and and certainly of course as well back racing in New York tomorrow. We'll talk to you tomorrow. Get Your plane everybody thanks.

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Part 1: Pete Fornatale

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

1:04:30 hr | 1 year ago

Part 1: Pete Fornatale

"Had Wednesday race bans. I think we call this a cold open. No I guess the I guess the House the House Oregon not Not able to get going. So we're often running and a very good Wednesday stay the the mid week the mid week action picks up a a little bit today You were still sort of feeling the effects of of all the holiday racing calendar and so so for instance I'll gulfstream run today And the we've Got New York picking up tomorrow borrow You gotta you gotTA adjust. I do recommend I recommend checking the first post because what what is the what is the the requirement or or the approach. Where where these I post? Keep changing changing changing if ridiculous. There's one thing it's one thing after her daylight savings and so forth you know when the clock stage or whatever But you know every time you look up Ritchie actually wrote a little little missive about it and you say the need of a New York to we're constantly we constantly have these different post times but it You gotta you gotTa be on your toes. I looking forward to a few of the the regular conversation. Is this morning including Pete Pete will join us. And we'll get his holiday season wrapup recap and Quite a bit of a bit of additional contest conversation because time is getting short time of the essence if you're hoping to get to NHCD and there's quite a few. I chance last chance type contests S. between now and arrival in Vegas the Hialeah contest. Highly contest coming up this weekend again and deservedly getting some attention I I think I saw a press release as well that Lesley Visser is going to be on site as a as a kind of a host which is pretty. We're pretty neat. And that's a first chance last chance you can letting people pick their their spot whether they wanNA use it for this year's contest or if they WANNA save it for next year particularly for those that have already had to Seats filled for H C. And I am going to mention I know. I don't think we're going to talk to him today. But Chris Kotulek At Fonterra Park and they've at the end of the month they've got literally one of the last chances and so we WanNa talk to to Chris. Who is really? He does work so hard to promote finer. And I've said before they've got a they got a great. You got a great heritage obviously of of racing in Nebraska. And for those that you that can make the the trip this is this is a good opportunity. it's a two hundred dollar live money and a seventy five dollar sign up and I think between now and the next couple of weeks we'RE GONNA WE'RE GONNA give some people in an opportunity to to get in for free but if you WANNA book Travel Grand Island and the BRASSICA get get out to park last year over two hundred players off and I. This was a pretty sure. This was not this time of year but what I know that Steve Chris used to go out to the Horse Park. And and the I I've told you the stories about going to exurban in they've the player community and the really the horsemen community Really love the game and so we'll give Chrissa an opportunity also hoped to talk to Erin crazy from the YEA. The annual stallion auction is going live. In fact it may may actually Lee be right now might have been a nine o'clock start and this is a huge fundraising period. The next three days four days at online will get a chance to talk to Erin talk about this year's grants and what thoroughbred charities accomplishes which is considerable so out links as well and I WANNA see. I'm pretty sure it. I'm pretty sure it starts yeah. It started nine o'clock nine o'clock and goes to Friday five PM and you know always tremendous roster of Stallion Seasons Regional Kentucky you name it I mean here's a glance. Vino Rosso already. How about that and Constitution whose hotter than M blame audible breath the a lot of the literally. Ada Almost Z.. Several dozen and and there are bargains actually to be found in the stallion auction every year So I'm GonNa send you out the the link and Thurber charities of America today tomorrow and Friday. We'll talk to said the top of our two and just a just a bucket load of of activity. I mean we're only gone for less than two weeks the the time out as vacation so much went on and that includes of course after the first of the year you had some of the first foles are beginning to drop. It's it's fuzzy photo season. You get the you know one one farm after another trying to out cute the other But the justify and always dreaming got their first falls and over the next several weeks. They'll be one first of all after another that. I want to ask about how you know. Those first crop drop types a Not a lot to go on. Obviously but people are looking at those early confirmation pictures pictures and trying to get a feel for what kind of produce Those first crop the first foal stallions or getting and there's still still a good five weeks before stallion. Barnes is open and you know there's still plenty of people making decisions. There's people that are going to wait and see what they produced with their covers. There's for this year and they're going to make a determination take a look at the baby and you know do they stay in that same arena. Do they look elsewhere. We'll talk said about how those decisions come about You may have seen sids piece talking about coolmore buying in to maximum security so we'll We'll hit a bunch of of story lines with with said Sire. Watch pedigree focused brought to you by hill. And Dale. Catch up Lasantha. I haven't haven't talked to seth marrow during the holiday season. We'll we'll get the zapped and plenty of other plenty of other conversation points Some things this from the desk and food coming off of yesterday's visit and visits I do want to mention one thing. Speaking of famous produce the famous Famous progeny last night. It must have been laid. Yeah six seven o'clock and I was thumbing through the social media feed and and my own Looking I I really I kinda like the memories section that you get from facebook and one of the things that produced yesterday the reminder that you know January seventh two thousand and nine and Casey. I don't know two years years ago. I think Casey had cut out the conversation with Bobby Frankel and it was January. Seventh two thousand nine. That word came that Judd Mont had Put Down to sought and we reached out to bobby to talk about her. And and it's ten eleven minutes and he's just terrific and it popped up last night on facebook and so I I. I don't think I'd ever put it on on twitter so I put it on twitter and whether you were hearing. I know our friend Dan Dan Heart. Dan said he'd never heard. Bobby's voice You know on any any taper so forth and so it was the first time for him ever. He's only in the last several years become interested in the game and he had never heard Bobby speak and and whether it's an experience like that or whether it you know you've grew up around the sport and enjoyed the I mean the fascinating character. That was that was Bobby Frankel. You'll really the enjoy it at an and I I listen to it again and I was appreciative. That you know that that kind of thing gets regenerated It's so if you if you haven't heard it since two thousand and nine or if you heard when I tried it out two years ago when Casey posted posted it on the at the races facebook page. It's really pretty touching You know and he talks about what a what what a character she was and then talked about the parade of great male and female L. Progeny to Saad produced and started with Chester House on his lady and Empire maker Chiseling is link and on and on and he bobby reminds you of of those moments when when she did crazy things both in training or on the racetrack where she was liable to. Just stop. Just something would get in her head and she would just I just stop it. At some cases throw an exercise rider overhead and pretty much all the the produce. I think Bobby said the Chester House was was not all that difficult. But famously honest lady was very much like her dam. AM and An empire maker was known to occasionally Pitcher Pitcher So if you've never heard it I ah. I think you'd really enjoy it. And whether the whether you just want to hear Bobby's voice again. It was it was always a treat just always special when you had in a chance to hear from him. He's just so thoughtful so interesting. The late grade Bobby Frankel in a couple of things that before we go to the break and Pete's going to join us I I'm GonNa go save some of that handled discussion one thing. One thing that got a mention the situation in Australia which just horrific and you know the Racing Community Not Justin New South Wales but all over Australia and New Zealand and everywhere else an Australasian pitching in to try to try to help I mean the just catastrophic have seen a lot of certainly when when we had our circumstance involving Saint Louis Ray Puerto Rico to raising interest from around the world pitched in so really you know. I don't know if everybody what he is. Seen this story. You had another it you know. In addition to the the slaughter of the stallions at Harris Barlow Vento which already horrific and frightening frightening Did you see the similar not similar but the circumstance in at at how Shaab Stud Libya where you like armed militia units. This happened on Sunday came in and basically looted the the farm And and took everything took six stallions and six mares that more info including eavesdroppers crazy believable people got a lot of personnel news. That we've got a we've in including the news from late last week that the Guy Torch leary is going to step down from the NSA from the steeplechase as its president and had a wonderful ten years I mean fabulous has been on top of all the positive things that have happened for for steeplechase and of course it's going to be a big year for far hills hundredth with anniversary and guys been planning for that but we'll we gotta get the Guy On. He can take a bow for really a lot of wonderful things that he that he did. Breath to help. steeplechase grow these last ten years. Pete Florida Towel starts us off though back after this. It's on Sirius. Xm radio the home at the tracker on the go express bed is your way to play. 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In a reservation being made players I try to make last minute. Attempts to come out I've encouraged a few industry people just to come out and check it out. It's great one. One Stop shopping between the industry. Folks who are around but mostly the horse players closest thing we have with all due respect to question conto up to a Horse I player convention and I'm really looking forward to it and Looking forward to working with you for more than that twenty the half hour week we get to do throughout the year. It's it's intense but it's fun. I feel like based on my own experiences the broadcast table with you and feedback. I get from listeners. That the the the shows have improved every year just in terms of we know more people have a little more of a sense of have follow it and bring it to the listeners. Along the way we'll be a lot of fun again and actually I speaking of of travel. I spent a good portion of the morning locking being in a couple of of the the spring the spring voyages including a marathon session that I did not necessarily expect the which is going to start March fifteenth and April Twelfth. And Yeah I don't think teen is going to be too who thrilled but the yeah well. It's crazy because it was one of those circumstances where you look at at the calendar and you look at at at the various events. And you can't you can't come back home and then go back out out. There's no reason to especially given the geography. And so you know we're going to we're going to be back at OB s To broadcast from the sale the March arch over. ESL that'll be the march sixteenth seventeenth and eighteenth and then onto New Orleans. I I couldn't go to couldn't go to risen star week this year because Risen Star Day is Mardi gras and so it's like impossible possible to even get to New Orleans let alone stay anywhere so this is the first time that's happened. Usually risen star is either right before or right after after So I said all right you know what. Let me let me get to a Louisiana Derby instead and that happens to be that weekend. So it's an easy. He jumped from Tampa to fairgrounds and then the HP convention we'll be broadcasting from for the fifth year and and that's it hot springs so you know it's a it's a what a six hour drive from New Orleans to hot springs so I'll be there that week and then when when when the conventions it's Santa Anita Derby Week and so we're back to say at the need for Santa Anita Derby Week. And when that ends I do the recap show and then we go to back to hot springs Arkansas Derby Week so it was like there was there. It was a no reason the only thing that would interrupt this is going to be. You Know Tina hitting me with with an umbrella and and let's just hope it doesn't snow during during that period because that's when nothing raises her eye or more when I'm away than than snow So that's the And then you know home for a week and then often often off to the vill- for Derby and We're we're we're committed. Thanks the clancy. We're committed to going to Uruguay to Nashville Between Derby and preakness and then preakness then we get to go home for you know a week or ten days and then Belmont. So there's the first half of the year and there's also the fountain of Youth and Tampa Bay Derby and there's a Santa Anita trip ahead of Vegas Vegas so my but my my trucks are locked there. Let's talk about the hardest working man in show. That's making me feel a lot better. What about my itinerary taking notes so I can show your travel schedule to Susan where you're going about my travel schedule which is nearly as bad? I've got there is going to be like a ten. To twelve days stretching England do Cheltenham and some TV work hyping up ice hockey derby stuff over there and then relatively simple those three weekends in a row. It's GonNa be a keeneland okay. And then just by coincidence and actually I got you know when you hear hear of family weddings in the spring. Lean for me panicked. I'm always waiting. Iran yes and we're going to be married on the first Saturday in. May I had conflicts conflicts with the Arkansas Derby and my trip but the very next weekend. It's going to be whatever that is April nineteenth or whatever so it's GonNa be weekend trips in in the quick succession Keeneland Arkansas and this back out to California so But I mean again. I shouldn't complain just because I feel so lucky. OCOEE that we thought of getting the wedding on on one of those important rates well before we dive in to what what. It'll be a very intense several weeks. Because there's gotta be some very edgy. Desperate people looking to you know to get to bally's yet and There was the super qualifier Saturday at say at the need. I talked about it a little bit with Jani on Monday. But talk about your holiday. What was the holiday holiday like it? How was how was Christmas? New Years for the for the four Nepalis. We have great time traveled. Christmas was in Brooklyn that went out to visit my mom on Long Island for a couple of days then up to a frozen lake in Maine where we got dumped on with like just the right. Amount of snow fell proper wintry. Perrin go to do the sledding in the driveway the whole thing but not so bad that it affected any travel plans I basically worked straight through. We took a couple of weeks off on our Industry Shaw allies in the ring show but we had in the money player shows going up the whole time we migrated to a new podcast hosting service. which seems to be working out pretty well? People seem happy with it and you know then it was just getting back in and getting back into business and trying to shake off all the overindulgence overindulgence of the holidays. I'm committing that stretch. I mentioned we're going to be an English. I think commissioner running another half marathon. That'll get me by getting training. That'll don't get me drinking less eating better and exercising every day off things you need to do to get over the. I get my flu two times a year. That's the Saratoga Olga bloat and they're fighting trip I love it I love it throughout the it it. It did feel like the season ended. I guess it was Monday was a Monday night. I lose track but but Tina drag me outside After she got back from from school and she took the she took some lights off She had the little light display. Life thing that she had on on a One of the evergreens and she took it down and then in the house. You know she'd already had already put away. Hey the tree and he done You know there's there's very few vestiges left of of the holiday season but it was was really. It's always nice to we. Had A particularly fun series. I haven't really talked about it yet. These last days we dove into recapping but we saw a lot of family it. was you know every couple of days we would either go to Brooklyn Rochester. We had my God children. Sami me and Emma come from central New York from from Hamilton UTICA. They they came in spent time and then I would see my dad and we really. It was perfect in that regard. It had it had a real family theme throughout the ten days. Great to be able to the cover a lot of ground and see a lot of family and make those important connections at that time of year in our house to. We've been very slow to remove things Haven't had the we haven't had the heart related. The tree is still and I did a good job of like water nutri every day. So it doesn't it doesn't look like a big fire hazard sitting up there on the rabbit. Take it looks. It looks like okay. Well we gotta get it through HICFA NII get a down and the effect of the holidays. I walked by the turntable yesterday and saw the J. D. McPherson record that we played a cut from is still stuck to the turntable and it was really funny because I was doing cooking and it was the perfect time to put on her new record. I didn't have the heart to take the McPherson off and put it back in. Its sleep knowing you wouldn't be touched for another but I'll WOAH. We'll we'll get to all that in the next couple of days. It's time to turn the table it's an HCC in Derby prep season and that's just the way it goes pudding supper the way I like to remind myself. It's not fun but it's a necessary part of the ritual exactly exactly and onto onto pretty much everything thing and yesterday The visit with Jeremy Plonk for those that were listening to the replay and we talked countdown to the crown and we already had some perhaps in that the intensifies here in coming weeks and as I referenced the intensity for those that do not have their ticket punch the I I mean who have you heard from and who have you noticed that is still looking to make their way to Vegas with the first seat let alone a second. The two folks in my extended crew who I know are hoping to get there still nick. Hambro is on the outside looking. I and also professional horse player. Sean Foreman who doesn't spend a lot of time during the year clinging context. 'cause you know can chasing seats can get in the way of your your day to day grind when you're when you're a pro but he's had such a positive experience out there. He's trying to do something last minute to get himself there as well so I hope those two and the listeners checking this out who are so inclined and WanNa make it out there. We'll take advantage of one of these last opportunity. We certainly have an awful awful lot of people punching their seats at the super qualifier at San Benito over lack weekend well and that Opportunity Unity I and I I think that's the last of the super qualifiers right. There's I mean there. There is the last chance at bally's but You know that that can send and four or five people into into the contest. But I think that's the last of the the major seat the offerings. I thought there was something I was something That there might be another chance online. But the internal there's there's some but right yeah not not I mean they have the exact exactly yeah and fourteen over the weekend out Anthony. Then some big names on this list. My old buddy. Kevin accused me Kevin. Ken McMahon getting the job done running back. Roll up to two thousand and then winning. Not just the NEC of the fighting which he's going to use it for yet but Take home over fourteen thousand in prize money other very familiar names leaderboards throughout the year. John Fisher David Bacardi. Heck I just wrote them all down. second place with Darrin Yarwood Fisher. I mentioned in third David. McCarty enforced Gary Bain. who had an amazing weekend and also Winning prize on Sunday. Yeah 'cause see also won that contract bonus Chris Couples Tom Noonan former. NHCD tour champion happy and a name. I don't know and we'll probably butcher the pronunciation of Chris. NCO The andy sorrow. She'd meeks the legendary copywriter in tournament. Alan Hofmann Jared Henry. That was the dozen who made it in via the super qualifier on Saturday. Well and just looking and five five is right. When it comes to the February worry sixth Onsite Valley's first chance last chance last year I chance As were the the best opportunity retuned suppose in terms of quantity next Saturday the eighteenth online nine hundred. This is really a a pretty good last opportunity five seats next Saturday. The eighteenth eighteenth a hundred dollar contest five guaranteed and then any extra that could come about one seat for every hundred five entries so anything over anything over five twenty five could help produce. WHO's you know a couple of extra opportunities and I would think for one hundred dollars and this is at horace players dot com that's the last seemingly bulky offering Then there's plenty of the others. There's the usual one in two seat. Opportunities Monmouth on the twenty fifth has got the players. Choice two seats for this year or next Chris CA- to lack is gonNA join us in the next hour their contest on the twenty fifth and same thing. It's a choice for the player. Either come take now or or next year. That's a two day. Contests that at fonder. So we'll talk to. We'll get a chance to talk to Chris Good to catch up with him. Sam Houston we should mention. Sam Houston has got to That's on the twenty sixth as well so aside from the aside from the online. There's still a couple of onsite opportunities. You know dotting. The landscape Tampa on Saturday Pete two seats at Tampa Bay downs. It's crunch time and cool. connote I know that somebody who's regional Opportunities exist as well Tampa Park as you mentioned sort of the. You know the old school and a sea. Today's that was kind of how it works. It was all all the regional champions coming together online play and the ability to play these live thanks contests nationally. I've kind of change range that field. But it's Kinda cool to give vote for the track marketing folks to give their local players and can't go and see what it's all about. I think it's pretty. I think it's cool. There's still some of those out there and excited to see who gets fill those seats and no doubt will be talking to a lot of these folks in a couple of weeks out about just looking to at the the leader board lists and we. We haven't talked about these as much as we have in other years but about Robert Panel and James. Gm Mondo this is on the tour rookie leaderboard and their sparring sparring up on top. The fifteen thousand five hundred and fourteen thousand eight hundred points respectively first and second and then with eleven thousand four four seventy nine Greg Calawag that backer and Jack Christian there's your. There's your top five when it comes to the rookie leaderboard and then when it comes to the to the big for the big prize and of course You know some some serious opportunity right. I mean you win. That tour The real money The top the top ten really absolutely especially the money being at the top. The tour I know some years I apologize for not being on this this year. Some years the tour we're and close to the calendar year But I don't know what the rules are for the for the two thousand nineteen or what the laugh then in is. That's that's worth looking into because obviously the tour winter is what everyone I've interviewed. I mean it's a great story. I mean there's no you don't win that tour by luck you win by. Everyone has a good story of how it got there whether it was. JK years ago subject is your game. Good brand of course is incredible run last year so I'll be very excited to cover that story probably doing extended with that person on the money show and I imagine it's something you'll have here and you mentioned should the rookies and the rookie tour. We've seen that the a good tool players like pete drafted got much more involved in tournaments because of the existence of that tour and now he's the perennial showing up at all the big contest event. The only one of the ripped I had the pleasure of speaking with so far. Is Jack Christian. One of the naira uh-huh vents earlier this year. And it seems like another one of these sharp Horse Racing Young Analytical. Mind Zach people. We want to be getting a ball so those will be good stories as well and hopefully people we can. We can corner when we get out there to the NHA well and there are. There are still some one point. I mean th they're waning but some of these on sites still have got boyd so there are some available. Then there's you know for instance. There's the Hialeah contest this weekend. No tour points for that For instance but they're still there are there are still some points to be had and looking at the leaderboard leaderboard. Hey It's tight You Got Dave Snyder on top. Twenty thousand five eighty seven Christy Moore twenty thousand one seventy two Bob Englehart the the nineteen thousand seven sixty six nick foles alario whose name we see regularly. Nineteen thousand six hundred ninety seven Greg King. Nineteen thousand one ninety-one Paul Sherman eighteen nine fourteen. Kenny Jordan eighteen thousand seven sixty one. And the there's your there's your top seven within essentially less than two thousand points separating the top seven amazing to see Paul Sherman making another run another high up finish on the tour. I don't know that anybody keep the metrics All Time success on the tour but but for of meteor strike out of the sky he would've wanted last year with listen. Dave good point amazing and extremely unlikely performance and then to have another top ten finish. It's amazing it looks to me like it's going to be hard for him to improve his scoring up from here but the you know he does all the map. He knows if he's drawing live Nita. It's great to see him up there and other names as well. He can't Jordan a regular killer player in somebody who had the pleasure of hang out with the number of tournaments and Greg King who just got an tournaments couple years ago. I am writing a piece in at the era could be more has been a great story. The last couple of seasons LAP's success. Joe Rosen is another one who he cut sort of comes from the rookie tour. Yeah I believe he had a hi a Finnish It's not even won the rookie tour last year and always big stats end user. Good to see that name there and then Claire Perennial perennial favorite for likes of and I feel bad for the people and leaving out all his name check. Dave Nicholson Joe Johnson. At Peter's as folks I always look forward. Take a chance to talk to tournaments around the country. And I'm sure we'll be there with bells on valley come in each time and one thing thing that You know all all the information available at the NIH see tab at Interior Dot Com. One thing that's notable feed and this is through. This is through January third. which is the top fifty on the tour point wise who do not Who have not qualified and of course one of the benefits of playing on on the tour and and you know the continuity that tour points cumulation one of the benefits obviously is is is coming in and and certainly don't want to characterize it is coming in the back door but there's some notable names that That are on that list. Including Joe. Corey and Brent subject That right but some of the some of the the top performers this year that for whatever reason fell just beneath the cutline. Obviously they've performed well overall but Frank Foss mugsy Chrysler Larry called in Dennis to cower. Jim Gm Mondo Dino Harare. Greg knepper Phil Hornbeck Wendy Long. Todd Pharaoh there's your there's your top ten and then there's another another three or four dozen that are going to qualify potentially Based on torpoint. So there's the there's there's the benefit of playing and putting in the effort on a on a regular basis during the course of the year and I could see a world in which it's no accident that you see big players like a dentist to cower twice to finish second at the NFL and you mentioned of course cory and some veterans other into have major wins to their on their resumes. If you don't care about getting to I could see it changing the way you play. In some the instances throughout the year especially like in an online qualifier. Where the idea you get sort of an accidental near-miss early where you might be some spot? Were you lay off a little bit in a contest. Cra torpoint knowing that that whether you want to call it the back door side or whatever it is knowing that that's where it's going to be open to you of course if you want the maximum to qualifications you're still going to have to get up there in the very topic but I wonder if there's if there's some ways in which having that option changes the way these folks play and they know okay. Well I'm going to be able to get in that way so maybe I can play this four to one shot late that I like got it in the top five as opposed to having to stretch. Of course I don't like to get into the top to get a spot. It's an interesting topic for for compensation. Anyway well speaking of topics The interesting and I and I saw a lot of this Through some things that you were tweeting out and and The the daily Fantasy Sport controversy nationally that that seemed to have gotten plenty of attention actually has a little had a little bit of a parallel to something contest. Related On Our side of the ledger as flesh this out and I was sort of distracted. You know last over the weekend again so I you know. I saw some of the references but the give everybody the specifics and and it seems like there is a controversy. Like this in one one shape or form you know on a on a fairly regular basis and it's almost like a moving target when it when it comes to. Do you know trying to figure out how to stay ahead of of those. That are You kind of skirting the the rules to some degree hard because because in all these endeavors whether you're talking about playing the horses are playing fantasy sports or you're gonNA track people necessarily who are looking for an edge and it becomes tricky sometimes to to separate what the fair edges from the parish. In the case of this story you had X. Sach contested Jade Roper Tolbert and her husband participating in this house. I think it was a millionaire maker and each person is legally allowed to submit two hundred. I'm kind of making up some number six. I don't remember all but I think something like each person can submit two hundred fifty lineups China. Well between her and her husband they had an again. I'm rough around the edges. The numbers here but of their five hundred lineup. Four hundred ninety seven. Moore's awards unique. There's no way that can happen by Winston and they were obviously colluding putting together You know putting together their the best chance to maximize the win the big crowds. That idea. Just like in handicapping tournament of colluding across entries strategically strategically playing entries off of each other is not allowed according to the rules for now. It's a big controversy. It's very tricky and handicapping contests know exactly where to draw that line and no contest operator that I know of in on the horse racing side has ever done anything thing about where we've seen. I don't WANNA call people out here by name but I've had people just decided I guess because I'm you know at the center of these things with having having covered conscious for so many years for the I I've taken on unfortunately in some people's eyes the role of being the tournament com or role. I'm not interested president but for reasons you were intimating about earlier But it has happened on past but I've had several people point out Some very obvious examples examples of people with the same surname putting in condescend trees. That are That it can go. It can go either way. But in some instances where there is the exact same picks across contest where. It's pretty obvious what's going on on and I get it such muddy water so stepping into because to know exactly where to draw the line but I will say I do think it's a mistake in these instances to let the perfect be the enemy of the good and what I mean by that is just because you can't have a perfect set out of rules to prevent this just because on some level it's impossible to prevent doesn't mean you should let these really. We obviously examples of people trying to take an unfair example advantage path and the example I use is just like the pit box in the casino. You don't you don't have to have a set of rules. Says exactly how much card counting outing is not accepted about. How how just make the rules? And if they're doing something that you don't write your escorted out of the building and you know you don't get the soup back in casino. Gambling works the other way around where retroactively at least go ivy case The casino come after you for unfairly taking money from them which which I think is ridiculous in some way but it's a conversation for another time but my point is if you're a contest operator and you see this stuff going on it. It does very bad for business and I think in the case absolutely doing the right thing by trying to call it out and and eliminate it as much as possible audible and again just because you can't do it every time just because you can't eliminate everybody tried to take an edge doesn't mean you shouldn't punish the people who are doing it so egregiously that it's going to hurt the marketing of the whole operation and that's the left and I'd like to see contests operators on the horse racing side. Take from this story. Oreo well we we had. We had What was it called? Four Gate When when when the pick and pray contests when you get you get people just you know playing the same number and just just to have an entry and and and you know that obviously isn't in the spirit of the competition But without without creating a series of roadblocks against it you understand how it happens and it it it diminishes from everybody's approach and everybody's interests essentially you want you want people to participate in the spirit of the endeavor very hard. Of course I got the big one. I had no problem with the four gates situation. Other than the fact that at that time that they've since been revised but at that time the rules. Not Only I. It's okay that the rules don't try to prevent that big but it's not good to have a contest where you can make an argument that that not far from optimal strategies in other words. If you're putting up an entry fee and other players are getting benefit from that play all the fours. That's all you want but when you have a concept that's so hard to win that it's more or less of a lottery and it makes sense to spend no time and pick random. The numbers granted. You could make an argument that they all the same number. Probably not as optimal as mixing it up a little bit in terms of you're less likely to share it as the four gates folks found but I. That's what I didn't like about that story. The collusion stuff is much much. stickier her with it. But I don't I just don't love that. The ostrich routine seems to be the preferred method. Uh of a lot of confidence operators when it comes to this stuff. I'd like to see some more proactive steps taken. So that we don't get a really embarrassing servicing situation at some point with obvious cheating occurring and having no recourse to deal with it and unfortunately In the online contest world and in some of the prominent places as well that that I I like what has happened Breeders Cup. Betty challenge where they have with us go and they every step to resolve it and that concept is very much back on the upswing despite looking like it was on the ropes after that incident that year but because they acted so decisively. I think you can directly attribute their recovery and back on the right trajectory to take the exact I'm saying that folks online side and perhaps even the HCC feet should do before they have a controversy as bad as the one from the Breeders Cup from outliers well and that and that was that circumstance. You Tim Schram swung into into into attack mode and figured out you know how do we. How do we address this and brought in brought in committee and you know rule examination and reached out to the the some of the major names names and personalities that participate and you know tried a very visibly to make sure everybody was satisfied tied with a resolution and direction and that counts for something? Oh definitely I think they deserve. They deserve all the kinds of players committee committee over there and folks the Breeders Cup. They did an excellent job and it concerns me to some degree that you you know. The Players Committee on the side has got a great history of making positive changes revising that format and it concerns me that this is an issue. They've chosen not to address. I know it's complicated but I. I don't think they've actually correctly in that in that regard. I think there's I think there's things that can be done and I think just be worried about fear of some Fanta Panther lawsuit or whatever. The concern must be that they haven't tried to codify anything I don't I don't get it and I I sure hope it doesn't ultimately ended up putting staying staying on that on that tournament. Because you know I I love going every year and I always talk about the benefits of it but no no no format is perfect. And when I when and I look at the the thing that I would change about the NHA that would be that would be one. I'd like to have some ability to deal with obvious. Cheating as opposed to having the potential for a story like this past one happening at their championship be finally I wanted to give give you a chance to mention. Don't know how often you're GONNA you're gonNA write and contribute but I I saw that You're doing the the prison that the betting guide contributing to that And and You started off kind of a a year opening type of a piece kind of a new year's resolution piece. I think it's a good time of year. We're to try to set goals. I think that's something that's under appreciated in all aspects of life but especially when it comes to playing the horses and ah to to try to take some time and think about what you're looking to accomplish and hey the answer is I just WanNa have fun with my buddies and I'm not too worried about that fine no judgment but if you're somebody who wants to improve and who wants to try to make money and have this be pumping more than just a pure sure entertainment. No better time two years in the beginning of the year to stop and take goals and I wrote about that a little bit. I'm going to be writing once a month for the brisk ebbing Guide and a lot of fun with a couple of pieces last year Jim Baldwin Hills a lot of fun to work with and really Looking forward to covering a variety of topics fix some I think will be similar to stuff. I've done two half interviews things like that. I'll have a chance to maybe do some deep dives on the handicapping betting side and hopefully enough stuff will come up. You'll be more than once a month. But I'm committed to submitting something the first week of every month for twenty twenty. It's really great to get back back into the writing side of things and having these this structure deadlines thanks. Jimmy Breslin that betting guide. That's going to be starting off and and we'll son possibility I'll be doing some writing for somebody about the NFC if nothing else. I'll pasta pizzas up on in the money. PODCAST DOT COM log Pete Foreign Adele. Everybody looms boldly The in the money players podcast and so much more. I appreciate it and we'll start to fold in prominent race result conversation as well as the contest buildup toward valley's going to be the new experiences new for me. I never got to go for the first time around. So it'll be It'll be fresh a fresh new. I'm in the same boat I've never prevents went. NHCD wasn't treasurer. I think I might have covered the entire treasure island era. But I'm very excited about what comes back getting the champ. Hang with you at the gamay before everybody. Let's take a break top of the hour upon us and said Fernando Sire Watch pedigree focus and sire a Watch himself said is going to head out to Kentucky for the sale next week. We'll do a little little preview. Give you a reference to the sale but got a handful of things that touch on with Sid. WHO JOINS US next Chris? Ca- to lack is going to visit as well. Well Seth Marrow and I'm expecting a visit from Aaron crazy from the as well back after this hour to the races apperances with Steve on Sirius. XM radio develop by. I mean bills. 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Part 1: Dave Hill, Pete Fornatele

"Sirius Xm forts presents. With Steve Horse. Racing handicapping interviews. This is who was stupid very good Wednesday race fans series to nine. Am To one sports nights. Sixty four listening to Siriusxm online and at at our website as well as the dot Com and mid week with both the big Saturday card. Ready to draw uh-huh at Gulfstream. Actually look up. I I assume they'll they'll do. They'll do a video bank though right. They'll they they gotta have a feed today. I would. I would imagine they're big on that. I'll check and see and see what type it is but you know with all the focus on Pegasus and turf to some degree the rest of that guard. The really should be fun. The LAP review the inside information turf sprint. Couple of sprints one for the males one for females and the Fred Hooper Day the South Beach. The McKnight missing anything. That's it. It's enough two four six eight that's nine stakes on what will probably be what probably be an eighteen race card. Not just getting the. That's that'll be the evening performances for those of you. That for those of you that ever done the south Florida. The the trio where you could you could hit. You really do a super factor. You could hit the the horses and then the dog's harness at high lie to pack it all into one day. I think the most I think the most the most I've ever done John Brennan. I did that the three or four years ago. We had the we had the you races. Dogs highlight trio pretty good. Pretty good Ah makes for a makes for degenerate special. You feel you feel like you're you're really immersed the culture at that point and you got a slip in you got to slip in an institution for for dining somewhere in there. You know maybe Maybe runway eighty four. There you go go to Anthony. Sore tropical optical acres now. There you go perfect tropical acres because it's a perfect segue from Dana highlight of there there. It is that's the ticket my man John. Nicolas says You you would need a real long hot shower and maybe a maybe a housing. After that after that kind of a day it would be that would be a marathon event well We'll be watching and looking forward to get that that card. But in the meantime the Saturday card at Gulfstream really is secondary with Oakland's opening on and Friday and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA start the the Oakland lead up with the as promised visit it from Dave Hill and it's a special. It's always a special time for for Deville the writer and hot springs native and we pretty much annually at least once a an Oakland. Get a visit in with Dave. Save and we'll find out if he's he's heading home at the book that we've been heralding is going to be released the summer. It's it's kind of. It's kind of too bad a little bit that that it doesn't have a release date that coincides with the oaklawn meat but the the vapors and is coming out in July and Dave is excited. It's you know obviously a special. Oh project for him. So we'll talk. We'll talk oaklawn. We'll talk hot springs and his upcoming the vapors and also what else he's been working on whether it be for a turns up three four or five times a year with pieces at Apr.. We are America's best racing but G. Q. and esquire any anywhere intelligent intelligent Writing Appears Dave Hill is liable to show up whether he has his his brood of children children in tow. I don't know that they he's got He's got a Sitcom family I've got I'm going to tell him that. Remind Miami to tell him that the the the hills the hills are alive that would be That would be a terrific Sitcom. I gotTA write this down if you if you're not following Dave L. on on twitter you should be and I want to say it's David Seventy seven. I will tell you that has the opportunity arises. We've got a I think a really nice three hours lined up to. We've got a little bit of everything including Dr Steven all day. We we source them. And we'll talk to Dr all day about the passing of empire maker and what how horses are affected acted and and what kind of illness this was an auto immune system fantastic essentially that that felled empire maker and we'll also go over the results also of Dr Branches Investigation Into Mongolian. Groom I want. The D was very vocal and Then quite quite animated about missteps involved and you know now. A lot of the specific Sir are imprint with the release last week of the ongoing room scenario scenario. How you know how it happened why it happened? What was ailing him going in? How might have been missed? And what the long-term positives that can come out of it It addition I want to circle back to that because of course there there was not a was unfortunate set of events at Santa need over the weekend including an accident that I mean. It's just that's nobody's fault allures collision I mean. You know but you can't explain that to. You can't seem to explain that to you. The the wild eyed critics who declared oh three horses that okay okay you know one one of which was completely to I two were working on the turf course and and the one in collision but it doesn't seem to matter it doesn't matter what happens They're they're they're just they're they're waiting for for body counts that they can't they can't reported more gleefully it's sick uh we'll talk to sid in our to sire watch pedigree focus brought hill and Dale and I wanNA get sit stake obviously on an on empire maker in his career and and what it what it's lasting impact is going to be and and the you know the directions that are unknown at this point yet. Foreign it's out will join us to Pete Inbetween Dave Dave Hill and and said Dr all day is mentioned norm. Cassie we got norm. CASSIE lined up and it is gabby birthday today. Everybody so you do your do your thing on twitter and so forth which happy and also Not just there. There's there's a couple that I wanted to that I wanted to slip. Uh Slip in and we'll We'll get the. We'll get the those kinds of greetings in as well today. All right. So let me Let me forget that I want to Wanted to there's a couple of things I wanted to make sure to do on that front but norms gonNA join us after the Colonel Bradley Wind. Ah A horse that acclaimed for fifty and you know his promptly gone out of three race Win Streak a couple of star allowances and then the Bradley. So we'll talk to norm about everything that's going on with him. And Seth merite take the of course visit couple of pieces of news that We can slip in go back to the situation. It's anthony over the weekend The the the the oddest not the odd but the most agonizing to some degree when it came to that five collision came on the training. Track the horse to Kuno Lomb and I guess you know after all the talk we had yesterday of Chug Doug Martin and I in a naming Frankel an empire maker in anticipation. Well they couldn't alarm is is Hebrew for doing the right thing. Essentially it's a breath kind of guidance suggestion a a way of life there. You go if you will To alarm means to go through life and do good and improve. You've got a lot of others and society at large and so even with the name as as gracious as as that and and as well intentioned and very tough and then the that was there were cruel Jack was one of his and certainly seemed like a useful temple city for your Vowel Brinkerhoff. Lost Parlous on Friday was a six year old midshipmen and then on Saturday. The Cow Bread uncontainable That was a three time time winner but a five year old that that had only. I don't know that didn't look that that record. I didn't just doesn't feel like a horse. That should be competing meeting at Santa. Anita me with all the checks I mean that's that we'll have this conversation with Dr all day but with all the checks. This is a horse that last one for six thousand dollars at at Golden Gate had run. Its Sacramento I. I don't I don't know why. The racing offices is taking an entry huddle horse like this under these conditions it it just you're providing fodder and and the opportunity for are the critics to celebrate. It thought that you're supposed to have a system in place you give your heralding holding it. You're you're banging a drum like nonstop about the protocols and then a a horse that that was eased at Sacramento is running. Its Anthony. I I don't I don't get it doc. Very strange you know. And the the the first knowledge. There's unforeseen there's enough that goes wrong. Uh without warning when you're walking on next shells don't hop making it more difficult for everybody will. It's hard to hard to spend spun to run The hard spun breeders got dirt Mile Winter. He has a writer for those of you that we're worried. Have you ever Castellino is going to have signed on the expected right. So after a Tortured few days for for the spun to run team. He said there's I'm sure we'll talk to Tom Ventura for next week for. Ob S for the winter sale the the three sales companies announced A. I thought really. You know the positive program strict strict riding crop policies at the two year old and training sales. No more hooton. Well I guess you can still hoot and Holler but not as much coach sticking and driving One one flank hit with the whip and then they can then they just have to keep their hands on the rain and they can probably twitch their wrist and on the Napkin. Just you know kind of urge that way but no more the more welcome to get going so good job caitlyn phase an ob s also medication restrictions. That's the royals and Broncos dilate is very good so trying to provide uniformity uniformity and some leadership. Let's take a break. David is GONNA join US I to be a lot of fun talk about Oakland. APPERANCES is with Steve on Sirius. XM radio develop by horsemen bills. Dot Com is a cost effective. 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This loses with steamed on serious Jake tapper and we're back the racist twenty minutes into our one on this Wednesday and we're forty eight hours out from opening day at Oaklawn. It's a celebration in hot springs and really throughout the region and every year I guess for the last. I don't know I'm going to say five years. Probably give or take. Dave Hill has visited. He's a hot springs native. He loves racing. He loves anything about The rough and tumble life carney life and the racetrack and gamblers and gifters and he loves writing about it his book the vapors due out in July and Dave Good Morning Happy oaklawn season. Good Morning Steve. Right back at Ya. I just literally went Onto it's a twitter and I wanted to confer. I knew Dave Hill seventy seven but I wanted to confirm and there it is the cover and the layout of the vapors this has been and this has been a long time. Coming really has longer than I originally thought it would take but yeah I think I started the whole process Five years ago so it's been five years since I wrote the proposal and how quickly how quickly quickly you had you finished because we you were pretty close when we talk for years ago. Give or take For the first time I thought I was but it turned out. That wasn't I mean you know I don't get to make these decisions. L. Editors involved and yet when I left I lived in hot springs for for a year with my family what we were writing researching and writing when when we left hot springs We left with a full manuscript script in hand. I thought I was done but I wasn't There's been a number of rewrite since then so and that's all to the good honestly if the world they had to read my first draft. I think the little embarrassed so. I'm glad that I had to rewrite it a couple of times but I think it's much better now than it was you know in that first draft. Well I love I. I happen to love the layout and the cover which utilizes back favorite postcard imagery. I love the greetings from wherever with the letters filled in with with the backdrop. I mean I. It's it's terrific layout yeah you know they say you can't judge a book by its cover but in this case I hope you can. It's a beautiful we'll cover in. You know the books being published by G who I think always have magnificent covers and I was really excited to see it because I think they have such. It's a great art department but I think the reason that this cover really stands out in his probably special because The woman who designed it. She actually read the book. You know one of the things. I'm learning a lot about the publishing industry because my first book but the art departments in publishing houses. They don't always read the books except you know they have so many covers. They have to make so Sometimes they just read it synopsis of the Book and then they create a cover based on that but the artist who designed mine. I was told she actually read Brooke. So which you'll see if you look at it is that you know there's a number of different postcard ish images in there and they're all different scenes from the book you know it's just I think it really sort of highlights a lot of what what happens in this this book right on the cover Any all all. There's I'm like a vintage postcard which I think is pretty appropriate. I love it I love it and I don't know if you have caught Rick Hammersley Two weeks ago the his first visit after you know moving he staying in Lake Hamilton But you know he's working at at the track and he he I had his first. You know drive through and kind of survey town and and he. He mentioned he said. You know there's this old building and there's is a school sign the vapors and and You know so I I still demand on the on the backdrop yapping. I've been hearing from people back in Arkansas father. At somebody has purchased the vapors and or their leasing it and they're gonNA They're going to reopen it as a venue you know and try to have you know bands play there and shows and stuff and I think pretty exciting You know at the time that I had written the book it was still empty instill owned by a Church Church So it's kind of interesting now that the same you know right right right when the book comes out the vapors is also kind of coming back to life. Someone's trying trying to pump some some new life back into it and I think that'd be very cool if it actually takes off as a as a you know a entertainment than in you again. Well that that's totally inappropriate and So much this is a much better direction and in terms breathing life. And I've had this conversation with everybody that that visits when you know we celebrate. What hot springs is all about about the with every visit that I've made in in the last I guess it's five years there's just this constant renovation evasion and repurposing and You know parts of town that are that are coming back to life. Talk a little bit about in that evolution and clearly the engine on that whole train Family and OAKLAWN. I've been thinking about. There's a lot lately because of everything that's happening with Oaklawn you know with the expansion and the casino and now the resort. You know one of the things that I one of the book. The book spans the the Period from nineteen thirty one to about nineteen sixty eight and in really focuses on the The gambling industry in hot springs. which used to be? You know a a big deal. I mean you know. Hot Springs rivaled Las Vegas for decades and really kind of gave them a bit of a bit of an arms race with Las Vegas for a number of years and So the book tells the story that like it could. Have you know that you know. Oh save for a couple of countries senators. It could have been Las Vegas right but But one of the things I've been thinking about is how like I tell the story in the book and I think got told on your show before about how the you know. Oakland was closed. The state had banned worse racing. The casinos were up and running in violation of the the law. But the Cella family. You know they were in Saint Louis. They didn't live in Arkansas and they owned other race tracks and so even though the locals really really try to get them to open up the track into the law anyway. They had no interest in doing that. They were GONNA. They were content to let it sit closed. Wade out the law. The law could get changed and You know in the when the depression was on the The casino owners and the city government. They all kind of came together and really you know. They went to Saint Louis and appeal to the cell is that they thought if you could open the track backup we can get the law changed but we need you to open it up first so we can show the state government government that this could be good for the state so they opened up and I think thirty four. Even though it was illegal they went ahead opened up attract they. Had you know the Arkansas Derby Irby had like fifteen thousand people. The largest sporting event in the history of the state. And so then you're not the legislature legalized horse racing in thirty five. And it's been legal ever since then you know the This has been an interesting story. About how quantum state owned by the same family during all this time time you know they they never you know other than that one year. They hadn't really violated the long. They kind of kept their distance from illegal gambling. That was going on hot springs during all that time. And you know the the Casino Trident over and over to get the state to pass a law to legalized gambling in Arkansas. And they kept failing they always failed for one reason. Or another You know the book kind of details all the different reasons why they run able and who sort of forces that conspired against them whether it was church groups or the mob Bob or whatever or crooked legislators or political foes of the governor and I think it's really fascinating that today you know. We're seeing that Oakland is expanding casino. Gambling is legal. Now they've got you know craps tables and they've got the blackjack table and they have a full on casino. They're building this massive resort and it really took a long time. I mean we're it's twenty twenty now but once again sell waited it out waited up. The political winds waited for things to change for the things to shift in Arkansas. And now they're sort of building this this massive resort there That I think the gambling leaders of hot springs in the sixties could've only dreamed about and it's happening now in twenty twenty. I just think that like that too is sort of interesting timing that this book gets coming out right when we're seeing a return of gambling hot springs after a long long absence. It has been Really Really For you the book. It's it's personal history. It's labor of love. It's you know the environment the which you grew up talk a little bit about Being a a native And you know what the race season means in in hot springs and and why it continues to gain converts. Everybody that goes seems to then you know. Put It on on their list. This does a annual track much the same way Saratoga and keeneland and so many other seasonal venues have a following. Yeah I grew up in hot springs in the nineteen eighties and I mean every when I was growing up everything in that town revolved around the race. Meet as it always had even when even win. The city was sort of wide open with casino gambling The season you know everything's still revolved around the race meet. I mean that was the big season for even the casino. There wasn't like they had year round visitors but like everybody geared up for the influx. That would come soon as racing started and we all know everybody sort of involved. The horse racing world knows that like you know in the days before simulcast that's worked was that people traveled with the horses and travel with the meeting that you had to go to the track uh-huh racism to bet on the races and so it always ensured. As when I was a kid there was always gonna be an influx of visitors every race. Meet and that's when everybody in town made their money. That's when everybody parked cars. That's when all the restaurants made their money in the hotels and so you know with a big part of our lives and And you know it was a big part of my family's life but but I think it was a big part of everybody's life and hot springs and growing up there. You just knew that like your your life and your livelihood all kind of tied to the race track whether you work there or winter or not because so much was based around tourism but I definitely grew up going to the track and I grew up in a family that gambled on horse racing and gambled hold on whatever and and I don't think that I think that's true for a lot of families in hot springs You know things started to taper off in Simulcast we started seeing your visitors but it still wasn't like other tracks. I think we still have a good handle and good attendance at Oaklawn and I think that's just because because in a small town small market like hot springs where there wasn't a lot of competition for people's entertainment dollars you know going to the track continued to be. You know something fun. That people in Arkansas dead people in in neighboring states like Texas and Louisiana and and Tennessee would come down to hot springs and go to the races. And I think that's still true to this day. I think that the reason that that track still packs minute. oaklawn is because is just a part of the culture down in Arkansas people like going to the track and always have and they take their kids with them and they're just create new generations of people that love going to the race track and And and so while the crowd aren't as big as they may be. We're in the eighties. There still relatively big especially compared to other similar sized treks around the country and Oakland Oakland Punches. Well above its weight. I think I think that's true for a lot of things in Arkansas. I think Arkansas state that kind of punches above its weight and a lot of categories and and No different and you'll see it if you go to the track and we've talked about this before but like you know going to the races at Oaklawn. It's just fun. People are having fun. They're having a good time. It's not a place where people Just go to like you know that and rip up tickets you know people are definitely bedding. And but it's it's. There's just a real spirited atmosphere at Oakland I think is unique And it shouldn't be because you know. Horse racing is a fun sport and I think people really embrace that in in Arkansas in a really positive and Exciting Way and it's a great place to hook get. Somebody hooked on horse racing. No doubt out. And it culminates with Arkansas. Derby Day and in the field gets opened up. it it's a tremendous party and You know now now with the shift of the schedule and the later ending neat people Are GonNA end up making post. Arkansas Derby As much of a visit destination as well Yeah the the fact that the fact that the weather is only really getting nice when the meat had traditionally ended on Arkansas Derby weekend and now to seeing those those apple blossoms and and you gotta prominent grade one race. He's called the apple blossom and and none of the apple blossom said Bassem true. Yeah I don't know what the weather's like today but I just awesome awesome alerts on my own said that the schools are closed in or in Arkansas. So I think there's some bad weather down there but The early part of the meat can be quite frigid. And you know I've been to plenty of days where it rained because it's always an you know an April where there's always the chance of rain. But that's true about the Kentucky Derby too. I mean you you know we always have to roll the dice with the weather a little bit. But I think traditionally Guan had a winner meet just because compared to other tracks. It was warm. You now you can count on warmer weather in Arkansas. Maybe you could Chicago or New York During those months as you as you get back back to hot springs and I'm imagining they'll be some. They'll be some book signings. We'll we'll keep everybody informed and I'm curious David. You sense that this renaissance in hot springs is is the local community. The how much of a of a are are they responsible for. How much of it is is outside interest than and I I don't WanNa say carpet bagging egging going on but you know how much of this is is homegrown and you know you were part of it. In fact squeeze box we. We talked about that. I think last year or two years ago that you were involved in talk a little bit about you know the local population and what this means to them as the you know the town grows and kind of morphs getting hot springs. Probably the the loss of casino gambling and hot springs in the late sixties Had a major effect on the city's economy and hot springs really went through the deer into the one thousand nine hundred eighty s Economically and I mean it definitely got to a point where you know where the community was fairly depressed but the thing about that is that once you hit rock bottom. There's nowhere to go but up and I I think that like commercial real estate got cheap and you know taxes got lower and Housing prices kind of went down. And so that brought people in you know so we. I started to see more people moving to hot springs after a lot of folks that Kinda fled people. New People started moving in and taking advantage of that. I think we see right what I've been seeing in hot springs rings and again I'm far away. Although I did spend a year down there recently is that people are moving to hot springs from other states because they see it as a inexpensive place to start a new business and some of those businesses are really kind of eclectic an interesting and cool and I think that I think hot springs has a a vibe to it. That's different different than a lot of other places in Arkansas. It's definitely An ECLECTIC and interesting and Place it's it's it's sort of culturally rich place. There's a lot of art an artist You know there's a real I think that hot springs is a place that can support a lot of interesting types of businesses in a lot of interesting types of ideas so I think young people are moving to hot springs and starting new businesses and Moving their families there and that's been a part of what helped drive it but you know I think the local city government and visit hot springs deserves. A lot of credit to visit. Hot Springs has a very large budget. Shit and very smart and and Creative people that are running it who have a real vision for hot springs and I think they deserve a lot of credit to because they're putting a lot of resources behind You know behind that vision of hot springs as a as a place that tourists would want to come and visit. But you know in a place that sort of That is funny around. You know so. There's a lot of neat stuff happening. There between the they built World Class Mountain bike bike trails that have brought in a lot of folks. They've done they've come up with a lot of different festivals. Whether it's the Saint Patrick's Day festivities or music festivals souls or Kahn New Conventions at the new convention center. I think hot springs is really putting a lot of money behind reinvigorating itself as a as a tourist destination in by all accounts is paying off. And I think what's happening at Oakland is only going to help drive that so you know My mother lives in in hot springs and she worked in. You know she's like an event planner and you know the wedding that she would be involved in. They were all folks from out of state you know. They were connection weddings. People from other states that are coming to get married in hot springs. Planning parties not springs doing getaways on the lake It's just it's a great place to come and visit and stay. Hey for weekend or week and whether you're coming to the track or whether you come in the summer of the lakes I really think it just has a lot to offer tourists especially in that part part of the country It's just a little. It's a little bit of an oasis and it has been for over one hundred years. We WanNA see my book. Is that like. That's why hot springs exists. It's it's a national park. It was the first national park. I mean the reason hot springs exists is because it was a place a resort from the very beginning. People came there to take bands in the hot water. And it just sort of it is America's own Baden Baden. It is our first SPA Even before Saratoga Springs and I think that you know it it it still is today. It's just about getting people to come down and rediscover it again. So and that. That's been the case for me. I had always wanted to go. And you know the opportunity Now whatever how many years ago and I've been four of the last five years and we're headed back twice is this year actually the HP convention is there in March and then we'll be back again for Arkansas Derby week at the it's really become a the highlight and even even if it's a little tricky to to get their Not The not the most direct There's little rock or Memphis and and then make your way over but it's worth it and that's actually part of the appeal. It's not dissimilar from Saratoga. In that regard either in Saratoga you you gotta make you gotTa make an effort. That's true. Yeah they're they're these hidden he's little hidden hidden resorts he's hidden gems but but He didn't always used to be that way. Brings they have an airport there and it used to be quite busy You know they used to used to be a quite a busy airport that brought in tourists on you know you have hundreds of airplanes and commercial airliners would come there but today it's more of a small regional almost recreational airport doc but There's a there are a lot of stories about how that airport is. Be a pretty busy place in the nineteen sixties so used to be a little easier to get the hot springs in it is stay thing. Well Yeah are you. Are you going to get back this meat or between yeah. I'm hoping I'm hoping I can get down there. You know the book coming out in July doesn't doesn't really meet up well with coming down for the race me to do any events for the book. I'll definitely be down in Arkansas when the book comes out to do some events in Iraq in hot springs and bay bill but and And definitely be down there next year for the race meets hopefully promote the book during the meat. But I really WANNA come down this year during the meat and I don't have any dates right now. But I'm keeping my. I always keep my fingers crossed. You know it's hard. I got three little kids. So it's tough for me to figure out how to get the whole clan down there but but I'm always as trying to well on that topic in fact As I as I was Heralding your your upcoming visit. I I did say I. I talked about the kids and the hill The Hill clan which is a funny and and to me a great candidate Not that you would do this. Maybe you would As a reality show the hills are alive. Maybe it it it sort of you are you. Are you know in Brooklyn. And and you know being raising them in the city and and They're just based on your own personality. there are an interesting and eclectic set of children how goes. How goes the chess prodigy? He's doing all right you know. We're he's my oldest kid goes he. Plays chess were gearing up for the State Championships in ships. And he's been practicing a lot But you know as he gets older his his attention's starting to you. Know his interest star expanding beyond chefs. And he's getting into sports a little bit and video games naturally But I'm also trying to. I'm doing everything I can make sure that I teach him How to be a good gambler? Too So You know I've been trying to teach him how to carry. He's got signs. They're coming up and I told him that. A good experiment for his science fair would be to see if he couldn't create a model that could predict How to beat the spread on NFL Games and so we're trying to work on something that maybe you can come up with a good his own his own system and we'll see how it does But My daughter's getting acting classes now and You know I'm trying to make sure she understands gambling too. So so I've been trying to teach her poker and It's important to me that I raise good gamblers. I don't WanNA raise suckers So it starts artem happily on that your your offspring will be sharp. They won't be squares there. There's there's no two ways about it and and Although I don't think you necessarily want them dealing three card Monte either well you know we've been trying to do some of that to we say that because we saw something recently about The shell game and so I started showing The hype and in doing three card funding for the the kids and Getting them kind of excited about that too. So nothing's off limits in his family man. You know whatever you can't that'd be sharp. Then you need to be a little crooked. I guess so she got the money. That's what matters and For those that I I've have been sent out the link to preorder the vapors imagine Saratoga will get you up here at some point this summer too and the book signing engaging in town of does the publisher publisher must take a lot of that right here and it was interesting because I had a meeting with the publicity department about things. We you know places we might think about promoting the book and And I suggested Saratoga Springs and one of the people one of the women in the publicity department was from there so she kind of lit up when I said that so we may actually do something a bit of summer. Which I think it'd be cool? I you know I think that it's I think there's a real natural connection in Saratoga Springs to what this book is about Hot Springs August brings. Are there such sister cities in a weird way there so I think they're so spiritually connected. It feels like I always say to people that Saratoga Springs is like hot springs with money. with with rich people but it's It's it's so weird. How much the city's feel late their layout feel similar? Are you know they have very similar. Histories But Yeah I'd love to come out there this summer and do something to promote the book and there's some great bookstores in Saratoga. You know it's a natural and it'll it'll be a hit without a without a doubt. Have you been speaking of upstate. Have you zipped over to Sharon springs and seeing the the remains there the. Because there's a rebirth going on at Sharon springs as well now no I haven't shared springs to fascinating it was it was Saratoga before Saratoga amazing actually and There's there's some interesting things happening there. I mean it wasn't it wasn't it didn't have the gambling and and But it did have. It did have some elite status status and and there were big resort the SPA hotels starting at eighteen hundred. And you know whenever I had had west on on route twenty I I always dragged Tina through through Sharon springs and there. It's a an equally interesting story. It's not you know not as big as Saratoga. Obviously Arizona's springs but it has it has a lot of parallel L. track. Dave what are you working on in the meantime how many but we could see some. Apr Stuff between now and then the summer. Yeah I'm I'm working on outcast with APR and And I'm also working on a podcast with the ringer about gamblers. And so this year you may hear my voice a lot. Because I'm working on a couple different PODCASTS. So excellent excellent well. One of my favorite visits Any time and every time That doesn't even have to be limited to the Oakland season. The vapors and the the link to preorder from Mellon is On on my timeline and I will remind people On a regular basis through the Oakland season and leading up to the July publication vapors by David Hale Dave Hill seventy seven on twitter and wherever. There's interesting things to read. The you'll find Dave Dave. Thanks as always I appreciate it so much. Thank you not at all day. Ville everybody one of the people drawn to racing that talent that just delivers over and over finds interesting subjects just if you go to. Apr Click on his name and and the whole roster plus his leading leading up to the publication of the book. He's been doing these postcards from hot springs which serve our little missives and little history tinged conversations and revelations it's he's just just a giant talent For those of must that ever did any writing at all We all wish we roost. Outfitters Dave L.. Let's take a break here Pete. Foreign it's L.. 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I mean the the Hawks Tres and the Eh Carney atmosphere that and Barker's that he loves that and has has written about it. Just it's just a great always a great visit And we stay in Brooklyn and our second of three Brooklyn visits this morning Pete. Foreign Ital- looming baldly. Good Morning. Good morning to you. I'll never mind being booth bruce back or even thumped entirely for Dave Hill. I can't wait for this book to come out. It just sounds like an amazing piece of history both personal and national national and of course related to sport or racing and plus you get the tale about him harboring fugitives as a child. So you know it's all good with David L. and I didn't even even I didn't even pull that I'm saving that I I've saving that one I was this was. This was the Oakland opening visit. And we'll we'll come back around That that was the craziest thing we've ever seen on twitter a I won't explain it now. We'll save it But I did plant plant. The idea of of the hills are alive. A A family Reality Show because he's he's got a family. You know you you do too but you've only got you've only got parents you you you guys you guys called it quits you if you scored early and that was it we were one and done. We were very old to get into the whole parenting game. So We'd have had to act really fast on the heels heels and we're still in shock so yeah we don't have a whole plan like the hills do. That's that's a whole other story back in Brooklyn I knew they were in the New York. The Senate Oh Yeh uh-huh oh yeah. Oh they've been back for a while he knew he spent that one year to finish the research and and the book and then there's been back at least two plus I'd say three three and back at it and brought the kids back to be back in school and so forth. I'm excited to read that book for sure. I'm sure I'll take the opportunity we'll let you have first crack out of course because I you know I know him in part from his appearances over the years on your show but I'd love to get him on my I show for a visit as well talking about all things related to horseracing and publishing and his unique and fascinating family history MHM the vapors in July and we'll have the full the full book conversation and the characters that he follows and The you know he gave a little thumbnail of the story ARC but We'll we'll be back And and maybe maybe we'll do one when he when he comes to Saratoga might be the the perfect the perfect opportunity on that front but whenever resigned people know him from hot springs I always hear from them including including the the people that have to make bets for him when when when he was too young to although it does Oakland feels like the kind of place that you could be like an eight year old and get a bet down easily as long as long as the wrong people aren't watching. I suspect that true but he had one one of those great stories about having the Sally into having the right mentor early on. And that's just such a template that I hear again and again Dan whether it's a family member people listening probably thinking in their own heads right now. It is for them An uncle and aunt a grandparent of father. Ah in rare instances per perhaps a teacher or they've held case I think it was. You know he had the family interests but then was taken under the wing by a by a wise guy. It'll qualm back in the day. And he's written eloquently about that right. I can't wait to hear this story. Well lots of stories to be told and written. We've got the Pegasus contest coming up on Saturday And I'm sure the full complement of Of serious cash players Will we'll be either on hand or or playing from home and that'll be worth following and we'll look forward to that and then of course we're getting down to the Short Strokes Wchs for Vegas Pete and you had the big one laurel and We've got the final park is going to send somebody coming up next next week. there there's the the last few opportunities to make a trip to bally's the NHCD is nearly nearly upon us. I know they've got five seats up for grabs through the Pegasus Tournament. That's just a terrific opportunity with all that money. One hundred thousand dollars added to the prize pool. In addition to all the entry fees it costs thousands of play. Five Thousand Bank will one thousand is entry fee but again it's not not to put people might think Oh. There was no entry fee. Well that's that's right It's not it's not what it was last year but I think this dynamic with the lower by an Dan extra money going to the prize in the form of entry fees being paid one hundred percent one hundred thousand added is still something players need to pay attention to. You mentioned the opportunity you to play for many places. Of course you can play at Gulfstream and I know many players from around the country have descended upon there in the last few days J. K. has made his way to Florida Frank mcgaughey who I interviewed on the podcasts always entertaining lesson. He and his crew from Louisiana had made it over making it over to Gulfstream. I think today Eh. But you also have the opportunity to play to satellite locations this year. If you're in the vicinity of Laurel Park you can play their Santa Anita who always do such a great job of taking care air of contests players. There's the opportunity play there and if you can't do any of that and you're eligible for an express bet account you can use your experience. Better count the plate from home as you indicated. It's nieves so that's a really great opportunity. I I'm not sure about this but I assume it's one of those things where if you win the C. You can potentially defer it to next year's event if you don't get opportunity to make this year's other folks will be using it as a last chance opportunity and it's GonNa be a lot of fun to see what happens in in Florida. We've had to terrific winners in the in the brief history of that contest. And I'm assuming we'll add a third name of somebody really interesting to that roster of names and hopefully it somebody listening to us right now. Well we we know that a couple of couple of our couple of our friends and and And neighbors as it were. That are probably getting a little anxious about the. Get Into Vegas and Nick. Being Nick. Being the foremost undoubtedly Komo. We gotta get the Nick to to push eleventh hour button. I'd love to see it won't be quite the same without him but I have a feeling Pity you doesn't make it this year. I think we'll look back in history and will attribute it to a one year one year blip with an infant but. I'm still hoping he somehow finds a way to pull it out and can join us in in Vegas Nick Tamraz always so much fun to talk racing with and and has a great attitude about then hce in general. We'll certainly miss him if he doesn't does it. Make It. I've made some pitches to friends including my buddy. I'm working on the book with Matt Miller to come out. He's got a lot of friends point. I think he's going to come out and actually play in the last chance event at Bowie which depending on your handicapping style is a really. Yeah good idea. I think I if you're somebody who is You can't bet without grinding and spending a ton of time on each race. I think it might be hard to do that last last chance. Just because you should probably already be in the midst of your preparation for the big Dach- but if you're somebody who is fairly expert at quick capping or use this software off wear or is more about playing the game within the game of tournaments and grinding on every rates for an hour. I think the last chance is an interesting opportunity to just get used to the environment firemen especially for a first time. If you're a first time of somebody who doesn't need to spend the time capping like somebody who uses a computer program for example. I think it's it's it's really good. Just the the atmosphere the noise so we the machines work just to get those reps in it might take some of that Some of the surprise out of day one at the NFC. I Apologize. I said last week I was going to check and see what those financial terms were in the last chance to see how friendly they are the players. I haven't done that yet. That's obviously worth worth looking into before you Sign on or anything or decide to get in their early. But I do think it's something to to at least have on your list of consideration and some of those folks that I really WanNa see out there. I've been encouraging to to come out anyway and play in that. And then you know worst case get to hang out with a bunch of horse players all weekend best-case you'll win your way into the NHCD at the eleventh hour. Well and to get a glance at what's going on beside the activity at at Pegasus his final park. I mentioned and a two day Saturday and Sunday and then of course online is still got plenty of opportunities -tunities at at horse players Dot Com and horror stories. There is a two seat opportunity at Monmouth on Saturday. It's players choice there there and then at Sam Houston for their Big Day Sunday with the ladies classic and the Connelly and the rest of that Nice card They've got two seats and tour points. available on Sunday at Sam Houston. So that's over the next You know this weekend weaken the next really four days coming up and then on top of us one more weekend in February and the the last chance at bally's I love the merely interested to see who comes out of those more the regional and I think more regional tournaments in Sam Houston Park. Nick assuming he's eligible with the role he plays for Sam. Houston would be certainly a player to watch in that event if he's able to to compete maybe his job as a freelancer where is and With making the line down there and then the monmouth tournament. That's really interesting. I would imagine there's so many heavy hitters who are regulars at Ah Monmouth and obviously in the in the radius of Monmouth Park. I wouldn't be surprised if you go there. And you see people playing in their tournament live multi tabling with there with their expressed by Coun- open on the Swimming they to me. There's not A. Go Block situation. But there's even ways around that wouldn't surprise me Utah. People putting in both the Pegasus contents from remote end trying to win their seats at Monmouth. Another one of those places that's really known for taking great care of their conscious. The players and has has a lot of a lot of regulars who Who make up the body of the contest? World speaking of regulars and well no names Did you follow the champ. Michael Bay chicks win over the weekend. Great to see he. He's one of those players on my list. I was GonNa you know at my name to the chorus of people telling him to come out anyway. Play in the last chance if nothing else you'll be you'll be a great co-host For me and Steve for the broadcast at bow. He's worked out. Well the obviated the need for that funny business. He'll he'll be competing after after his nice late win in the NFC. I always love seeing the former camps back and competing annually. One of the most fun stories to tell just tracking their progress throughout the days. I'm sure we'll find time to get him on the radio with US anyway. Maybe not quite as much as he hadn't done that but on balance. I think that's a I am happy hour. Losses is the contest gang well and he he always even when he's been in the midst of You know having to make his his place. He's always good for a for a visit so we'll talk to the champ and You know his his travail over the weekend and then you know then qualifying set off a interesting series and and I I was involved As one of just one of the names of about eighteen names. I think that were part of the part of the chain on twitter and it brought out the question about Gulf Gulf tour style essentially. And why that's never been offered at least a one season exemption that after you after you win. NHCD that you get at least the next year auto qualified. Or why has that not been a thing when it comes comes to some multi-year exemptions for for the champs yeah you do get one year. You read an automatic berth for the next cheer. Claire Remember talking to Scott Kohl's about this who single qualified. He hasn't gotten that second one yet and I like that. This is a funny one for me because I can argue it either way. Hey somebody covering it. Obviously the more former champs we have in there the better but in terms of like the overall fairness of the tournament especially as we got more more and more champs in the idea of having a lifetime I mean honestly it just costs it would cost so much out of the prize pool. I think at the end of that have to argue against instit- and say that the way they have it now with the one year exemption is probably right on bound but I mean I can see the other side of it from a fan and fun point of view do. It's so great to have those people back year after year. Fortunately we've been in the last bunch of years we've had a half a dozen. I feel like at the least east back every year that I've been covering the tournament so I think this balance works out. Well I do think you know. They're so good considering proposals from the outside. I'm certain this has been discussed and I have a feeling it just comes down to the sort of overall equity of what the seat is worth for the rest of the players. They just feel like it would be too much. Yeah Yeah and that is the that is the argument against no doubt but it it it is special when you walk through the ballroom room and you see the you know the the former champions that are on the list you know that are they're competing it's You know some some also you know are are the longer involve some of the early. Some of the early winters we've discussed discuss this at times have kind of disappeared from the. I haven't even met some of them and I know they're around. I just don't think they're active in the world. Here's my compromise idea on the fly not a member the players committee. But you're just an idea you make some sort of choice where instead of taking the full prize pool. You can allocate a portion of the price to pay for X. Future entries into the tournament I don't know I don't think it's kind of fun. Making people earn their way back every year. I want but if you were going to do it that would be the way to to find some way to like help fund it And Save maybe say. Hey that is if you're willing to pay for the price. The the the achievement achievement of getting to the top of that mountain is maybe worth more than a than a year in there. But I think that's the key you gotta find a way to fund that where it's not just coming out of essentially coming out the players. Well as we as we speak in this interactive world. I can read Michael Bay chicks immediate reaction. uh-huh as Jockey yes. Jackie The taking taking a few minutes out of his out of busy day in Baton Rouge discussion about former champ getting exemptions now at the races with the beat have a plan where it costs and he are as zero and it adds adds to the prize pool not takes away so we're going to get Michael and we'll hear about it. We'll let him present The concept sounds like more than than mere enlightened self interest from the chaff very very serious to To hear what you have they always such a pleasure for overdue to have him for a visit on on the show and I look forward to getting a chance to chat with him. What we're maybe? I look forward to him being so busy. Because he's up at the top of the leaderboard trying to make history can't talk to us but either way it'll be it'll be great for the program well and anybody anybody that wins at this point and you know gets hot right now and there's some confidence equity of course that is associated with it and it's good timing and As as Mike said the champ coming in hot we we've seen that we've seen that many times people that to qualify on the last chance contests on Wednesday Thursday and the next thing you know. They're you know right up on the leaderboard the first day of the contest. I can't prove with mathematically Steve but I truly believe in contests play that momentum is a thing and the idea of getting all kinds of time. So it'll be particularly interesting thing to see the the names among these late qualifiers particularly those coming out of this practices contact. I think that that's one that really. The terms are so player friendly. It should attract a wise Guy Clientele and those to get up in those top seats. It's going to be something to The players to follow for sure for me at this year's end each pete for and tell everybody looms boldly in the money players podcast than more and Eight eight next week we'll have Pegasus recapping to do and we'll be that much closer. We'll have a couple of other winners being produced. I Around Online and at Sam Houston has mentioned. And Mama `then park so get to it everybody and then we hope to see in Vegas Supe- thanks. Thank you my friend looking forward to next week already. People out looms boldly on twitter. We're going to go back to Brooklyn after after this break because said Fernando is joining us and we'll talk sire watch pedigree focused brought the hill. Dale we'll get sids reaction to empire empire makers passing What it means for the people who had to now adjust their booking their you know plenty plenty of people? One hundred twenty covers plus Probably had been lined up in advance but this illness and gains way let people know. Oh a couple of weeks ago that he wasn't going to be well enough let alone what subsequently transpired then Dr. All Day is going to join us. He'll we'll explain what we don't. I don't have a name. There hasn't been a name of the illness per se other than an auto immune deficiency immune system attack. So we'll let Steve explain that and also riff on the Mongolian Groom Investigation Report Twenty five pages worth from Dr Bramlett Jr and the Breeders Cup norm. CASSIE is well and Seth Marrow Lot to do yet at the racist back after this would sit at the races with Steve Own Sirius. XM radio home. I'm at the tracker on the go express bed. Is your way to play. The races express provides legal insecure online and mobile bedding more than three hundred of the world's top tracks and all the big events. 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Part 2: Sid Fernando, Dr. Steven Allday

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Part 2: Sid Fernando, Dr. Steven Allday

"Ed said I I. It occurred to me as I was running the lineup. Down with Dave that we weren't GonNa Leave Brooklyn for the first ninety minutes that I really this Said we had a bittersweet sweet obviously visit with Garrett ORC yesterday and a Garrett's long career John Empire makers his favorite and so it obviously with this passing it brings out all the memories and talk about his you know his incredible dam and the family and the racing career. Bobby Frankel. I mean. They're so it's such a rich tapestry that you know was tied to just one animal I really I read Chris McGrath's piece and I was anxious to hear your your reaction as a whole and I think you knew that something was amiss a couple of weeks ago because as somebody who books mayors to stallions so you would you would have been informed that that empire maker was not going to be available this year. Talk about talk about him leaving about him returning to North America and his legacy. And that's that's right You know gains way had let People who book to the worst know about it some time ago and so gave gave people time to book their married are but it was. You know it. It seemed dire at the time because it wasn't just the horse would start late or there was a problem that you know he wouldn't Get going to later wrong but rather that it was it'd be unavailable for the whole season. So you knew then you know something was up I was at deigned way last week. I you know I saw tap it Somebody could ask to see PYRE macra. Obviously they weren't weren't GonNa do that so Within Lexington there had been some chatter about it. It'd been kept out of the press but Obviously nobody I. Certainly didn't dyer was leads to the to the extent that he was going to be put down So that was quite a shock You know who'd food's always it started off obviously judd mind and Garett work Came home to where where he'd been bred Would you know actually doing pretty well. All those that the ED dropped And they got a good offer from Japan. COLLARTOO BILL IS And that organization. They run a really tight ship in in in that. You know the bottom line is is the attention is paid to the bottom line and it was such a good offer that they had taken he went there. And then the quick McGrath Article You know the touched upon the fact that for Juddmonte I think Dr John I Chandler had mentioned in that article that had come to realize the turf mares really worth working for that horse Turf got some winners terrified. He was primarily a well-known dirk worse even though his damn to Saad and the family obviously My family that had done well on terrorists so but Sira bridled Primarily in American dirt course as was empire and Biomedica and so when he went to Japan Steve. Five seasons in Japan The environment there. which is the top place although it's fifty-fifty dirt and turf in Japan Ninety percent or eighty percent of all the graduations are turf and empire maker really didn't do much on turf over there which by new before sent sent him over there and so as in the interim while he left us his world and other appeared on the scene as we always talk? What about you? Leave you know you have another rebirth and that prompted the people from DONALD BURTO and games. Wait to go into partnership to bring the Horse Back and that doesn't happen a lot from Japan but it did here and came back and Because of the success he'd had ear while he was has gone became you know instantly commercial here standing for you know. Eighty five thousand and and his first crop of two year old return Waste last year and of of course he had such good success with that Bob backwards g one winner leading that group so Everything seems to be working at horse and unfortunately You know his time came in soon. 'cause real lasting registered will probably be Steve as the boomer tire daughters waters should be particularly Appealing to tap it and the TAP is line and tap it of course is that Games way and was one of the reasons I assume that coming back and I think downed abrode. He's going to continue to be so influential. Broodmare sire the sire line started off Huge here obviously sweet. Because his son pioneer the Nile is of course the sire of American fowl who had such great she's last year triple crown winner and then led the first year cited check out of one the first year sorry championship last year however pioneer. Denial died big blow and the other good horse. He had was only meister. Who got a AH Derby winner of always dreaming but boy mice mice since then Sent Turkey so what you've had our two major. Did you sons here are no longer here. So that's why I mean You'll have himself will have a lasting being impact probably to his daughter unless you know some. Some of the tourists from his crabs here will cope. We produce a Other potential male heirs down the road however grandson American Pharaoh. I mean it's it. Looks like he's well on his way to you are becoming The air to this compartment legacy which is a terrific. There's there's a couple of other names that that'll that'll trickle down to Cairo. Prints course and worked Yeah Classic Empire Midnight Storm Just getting started sky kingdom So there's about a half a dozen and then you know the other other part of this equation. There's four crops that are going to be. You know ruminating here and growing and here's chapters yet to be written. Yeah absolutely and like you said the the group the grade one winner backward had we'll be on the trip ground fail this year and There's still stuff to come no question about that that that element that McGrath introduced produced in that piece I thought was a bit of a revelation. About how Judd Mon- recognize is that that empire maker was not going to click with their broodmare band. But then at the same time you see you know the residual did you will decision of gains way that because of his of his broodmare sire strength and the tie eighteen to their roster and principally to the you know the eight hundred pound gorilla in tap it right so it it just funny how the fashions and you know the ebbs and flows of of a stallion career and a stallion strength rank or perceived strengths or perceived weaknesses kind of determines. Where things where things go I I I thought that the the little story that Garrett told yesterday and I asked him what prompted the the move to unbridled old with empire maper because to Saad had been paired with Mr prospector which produced gesture house Seattle? Same honest lady distant have you the Karchi then gone West. Civil got civilization who Garrett explained was a problem problem another problem child out of to Saad woodmen got chiseling and so a six different cover in in six seasons and he told that story about looking over Karl Nascar's barn and seeing banshee breeze. That's how it's a great story a tremendous and that's how he landed and they took her to seeking the goal then to King Mambo abnd but empire maker was her last big success in that run of just four grade one winners out of five out of five foals incredible. Yeah really and of course. They have several marriage that could could be hall of fame She's one but Fair yeah what a terrific Breeding operation that is and I also didn't get a chance to listen to but I did ask him. Did did Judd Montlake AAC any mayors to empire maker at you know I mean. Obviously it's years removed from the and lots of different things have happened and did you take any measures to him while a gains way and Garett laughed. And he you said no Prince College is I never even broach the subject. And he said it's never came up in these four years. Should we take so and so to to to get empire maker. I I got a vid kick out of that response that that's hold you a lot about how about how Khalid run operation. Yeah it's interesting because it's the unbridled lines down there as related to Judgment Aunt They they had empire maker and he really getting a quick with their marriage because JEB wants to bring marriage wants to race horses in Europe as well even if they breed them here they have division here sure but they've got Married that they'll bring here to Kentucky Stallions to get folks to to to go back to Europe and so it's interesting because They've had association with this line I will will be compiegne maker by unbridled. They had first defense. Buying bottles song is now in. Saudi Arabia. Empire make we sold to Japan and now last but not least hopefully. They've got arrogant. Who signed bottled song? So they had the steep investment in this line and I'm sure Colin billing Gary Worker hoping that finally Send the ball over the proverbial four hundred foot wall who had the the arrogance five weeks and so they do have a marriage. That's the stallion. There would be investing in from that line and on that topic I did ask. I did ask Eric how much of the experience with empire maker has has shaped the approach that the farm is taking with arrogate and he said the substantial I it they. That's one of the reasons that I think. Thank God the Judge Mont Operation has been so successful so consistently for so long in two in different international arenas because he somebody that's willing to learn from mistakes and two and two more for the business and adjust on the fly and and then the other part of this said that that really we knew about it with Frankel that that The prince had wanted to name a horse for bobby that was I was going to be exceptional but really the same. The same scenario applied with empire maker to that that they used that name. He went with that name based on expectation and so often those hopes are are are fruitless And in the case of judgement they really delivered on on on the promise On both continents. Yeah they did and yeah You know just An interesting point related something he just said. They hoped With empire maker that he would be successful here in Europe His success with mainly here. which is I dirk? Got Their forces as well here but the project they took the Europe didn't quite work however and young bride line has had a history. History of that Steve It's interesting however that cool more Banked heavily on And finally grandson the American Sarah working turf and dirt in Europe and hearing everywhere. And that's actually been the case American foul looks like he's GonNa that'd be the breakout. Worst me for this empire maker Slash on bride line On turf in Europe and internationally to that so far that's been signs those signs where we've seen last year in Japan as well Ironically the American Farris have been running on Dirk. We're that's his primarily turf Great country there although it's has said fifty fifty but it's really interesting interesting That empire maker man that being bride alive on trade to Europe and which is something they wanted to do? And it and it's happening generation or two later now. Who would a grandson well empire maker the you have any specific tales of Of of success with meetings that that you are involved in Yeah I mean were there have been some Stakes winner with you know we As we recommended him when come back so there's some to come in the early years There were a couple. I can't recall off the top of my head but we had clients that we did recommend The horse cool And he was really popular you know and he got very good marriage Early on but it's it's Specifically I can't think of anybody who would exceptional But since he's been back back We have recommended him Because talking more the body of work he had here between the time he we sent Japan and the five years later which was brought back. Whether we Chris Mcgrath pointed out in the news article one of the reasons he was brought back with because he really was not that good in Japan and so that Allowed this this partnership to be able to bring him back well from a racing standpoint Involved in a very memorable triple triple crown sequence and of course Delivering Bobby Frankel. A A classic win and his first There there was a lot about him. That was really appealing. It was a he was a friendly horse Garett stressing that a lot of what his the marriage was celebrated what's been celebrated about American Pharaoh and his personality and and and how easy is to be around Garrett Garrick mark attributes to empire makers makeup and that You know horses that are kind and easy to work with the that that helps. I mean we we. Certainly we certainly went along with storm. With storm cat progeny and and to a degree Early on with the TOPIX that are a little tempestuous but empire maker Name there is going to be indelibly etched in in the studbook. Obviously a lot of people's memories I got a question of kind of a follow up. We've got about five minutes Said Dr all day is actually going to join us and and hopefully explain a little bit about the immune system the attack and and how what happens in that scenario and this family actually has had the one not that it's a knock but the one the thing about to Saad that that is I'm going to ask you about this. Chester House died of cancer. Chiseling had a neuro neurologic condition condition in kind of like a Like the wobbles and And now here of another you know oddity and so you just wonder wonder about you. Know a certain. I don't know a strain of some ilk in the in the family that that is could also just be you know dumb unlock as a follow up. Though for US said considering the empire maker was going to be twenty this year our friend Glenn Atkinson consent. Who who who breeds? He's wondering if your thoughts on the produce of older stallions. It's and he cited the stormy Atlantic for instance who continues to produce at Ellendale. What's your take on on stallions when they you you know when they hit the you know the two decade mark My personal view is that I don't I don't believe that. There's any lessening of quality. Maybe if there's a drop in production because they tend not to draw some of the better mirrors stormy Atlantic Day it's a great Example voice that we recommend explore tricky farmer. what's that graded winner from last year. Neptune storm was. It couldn't believe what day yet Atlantic Alantic. Yeah it was a three year last year Read by trade farmers man we had recommended for his Young a young man mortal life That you know I think okay Tracy was able to get a very expensive Steffi at the time Of course we recommended has gone on to become a multiple graded stakes twitter. And you know whatever eight hundred thousand And there's a case in point of recommending horse. We recommended Author the tracheostomy again. Li- Grand Baladora who produced So Winston The re the re the knocking been and of course for charity. Different matter I'm just talking about quality. Aging standings will tend to lose fertility which causes breeders pause and they'll send You know they may send Mare's that aren't the best. Because anytime forces voices fertility. That'll happen but given say that there's nothing wrong with the fertility Usually what happens is older understanding. Just don't get the types of marriage because people are looking at young or I don't believe there's any intrinsic drop off Uh Horses so whatever. We haven't perhaps produced at the same level and it could be very true dad. Northern Dancer kept getting you know great horses so I think particularly for an owner breeder reader. Good older horses great value and I'd highly recommend using them. We always have nice. I appreciate it and I. I know we've touched on that Here and there over the years but You know as long as I I suppose as long as the percentage of mayors that that astounding and gets in full the first indication of any issue is right would be the modality and and You know the sure I want to start getting into the fragility legitimate. Anyone is wary of going to courses facilities on the way. No question about that. But in terms of the in terms of Course fertility I I have no qualms about using nice I appreciate it and I'm sure Glenn does. Does well good question. Glenn said we are starting to get starting to get interesting and We didn't talk about the result that the fairgrounds grounds will save the Lecompte winter and his pedigree will do with this the winner of the Smarty Jones next week we'll do that. Outstanding said Fernando Everybody Sire Watch pedigree focus brought to you by Hillen Dale and you get a hold of said as we inch closer now. We're what were three plus weeks away from the opening of the stallion Bart's get a hold of said work thoroughbred consultants five one zero four nine eleven seven eleven five one zero four nine eleven eleven and of course follow sire. Watch file a utilize the INEX- system and you can and work with said they get a mayor compatibility still time and some of your you know. We're going to see what your mayor delivers. And then you know maybe go from there but Sid is happy to help you shape your your broodmare band and get the most out of your breeding operation. Asian said. Thanks so much talk to you next week. You got it said Fernando taking a time out fifteen to the top of the hour Dr Steven all day I visit is it of the years is going to walk us through the to this week's two big stories and of course last week. The investigation conducted did by Dr Bramlett Jr into Mongolian grooms break down some of the contributing factors. The Steve riff on that. 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Obviously after Breeders Cup you had you know very pointed thoughts about the Mongolian groom room situation will come back to that in light of the report that was issued last week with some very frank Conclusions but I I wanted covered the empire maker passing and I still have not seen a specific fick disease cited. It's just being referred to as an immune system immune deficiency attack essentially and that. You know that that claimed him. What can you tell us about that kind of a of an illness in ors well? You know I've been looking for it as well and mainly because I think green number of bears to fire makers such a came back states I was like the Messiah to begin with. I think he became literally us. Defense connection to stamina and speed you know in the game a star so you know we've read to him. We bred to party and We've had some success. That's a nice babies commander and made some pretty good commercial. Missile sales that we had a way to babies yearly disaster that we sold out of a smart strike manners. It's from a good family and Slammed per maker and we got the people at the four hundred twenty five thousand on opening opening day before or second day before but anyway Combined Immunodeficiency me. No deficiencies can be Genetic flaw and there's you know folks to different types southern humor media Immune system. What actually is causing it? Obviously there are a number of different Disease Processes that. Can you know attacking interest in. It's it's a laundry list and so therefore I'm not GonNa go into that because we don't know which one it is and obviously whatever it is does that fights their ability to to ward off any type of even normal or even a low level infection. That would not be you know. Innocuous was under most circumstances could become extremely violent and deadly potentially deadly meniscus honestly whatever you must have crashed his immune system enough to where he probably succumb to something that no no horse would call normal. Come to You Know Shame I'm twenty years old really has a few years. I was trying to breach more mayors. I'm and you get some hopefully billy To maybe get lucky IT TURNS OUT WE'RE NOT GONNA make it we're GonNa get that so Really not much. I can add to that. I wish I could but it's just a little bit of a mystery. And they're not really releasing it. Steve Yeah well you know the the the first thing that that kind of sticks in into my head as the with the limited I mean we. We've talked about so many different kinds of things That that can be mysterious in a horse. But as an animal steve that at that grazes and if we think back to the the epidemic of the red bagfuls that ended up being the you know the woolly worm Caterpillar Ingestion There there's a story this this week about I'm GonNa Forget where where it happened. with horses Ingesting Beetle's beetle infested vested Hey and it killing a dozen horses grazing in a grazing animal given things like like wrote a caucus and the kinds signs of you know the kinds of naturally occurring dangers. That are out there on the ground. A horse whose immune system is compromised is going to be. There's going to be very much at risk. Yes most definitely be nice to know what the actual more than likely whatever the horse succumb to was not the disease itself that that particular sees in the immune system up for not to be able to fight off either something that was a normal contaminants that most of the time is innocuous like we said war You know he picked up a some sort of their own strain or something. You know that. The could've fought off it. They immune system was intact but online is Boston. And that's that's really the thing you know from their nice to take more weight but I still think there's nothing you know and I guess it's a kind of an epidemiologist a conversation but it's it's hard not to look at at at three of Toussaud's offspring that now. Here's here's this situation situation. And of course he's a horse that had spent years in Japan. And then come back and you know there are certain dangers and challenges in that but chiseling died of a neurologic situation like a like a wobbles and Chester House. House had cancer. And you put the put three those three things together. Those are three unusual circumstances the claim the offspring of one mayor agreed You know it's hard to really it's hard to get your head around Eh. You know the fact that that was you know neo of sorts due to whatever chester house pass from No logic you know nothing that this could be related. Probably isn't and now you know essentially the disease process you know I mean Illinois Horses Twenty I mean really I mean nothing really out of the ordinary they got. They hope everything's succumbs to something but You know like I said I know. Chester House passed it a really young age for standard. Look like you got a chance to have some sort of a career you know I mean obviously there was the nominal race there. I remember I talked about a bad one time. Since she was kind of very very weird man gets lead the horse. Got Snow put Eddie DELLUCCI owners so you know okay. So she was a little bit of a Quirky Mayor. Maybe you know maybe it means just coincidental letter. Foles Diet such strange circumstances but you know it is it is a little bit you know. It's puzzling supposedly. I've asked you this before and I came out of our own experience. Losing our our disco. Rico Oh baby to wrote a caucus but what precautions and of course you've got the colostrum product which boosts the immune system and so. This is an area that you they have a great understanding. I mean what are there. Are there regular protocols in the Diet of any kind of horse whether it's on the racetrack or or later on in in second careers or you know even in dotage. And just later on when they're when they're retired and in their twenties is is there a series of products that you can help boost the immune system. You know we see these yogurts and and there's a lot about you know keeping the flora in your in humans keeping it active and and you know the the good bacillus. I worked for Dannon yogurt so I know a tiny that about it but in horses and helping them keep their keep their immune system healthy. Yes it is number one. The gastrointestinal tract is the largest single Oregon. That that is part of the immune system Typically typically you know between the response or track and the gastrointestinal tract somewhere on the order about ninety plus percent of all these processes that get get introduced to any animal or any mammal for that chase essentially will be introduced buyer gastrointestinal. you'll either swallow it and go a new job track or beige far Tori track by responser doing premium. So you know essentially you've you got to you know cheat the GI tract. You know very very imbalanced. And when you get out of balance due due to stress orders or stress stressors that being something unique to the individual Essentially you'll throw the protozoa gastrointestinal. Bacterial counts announced out. And you will compromise them or allow them to be compromised as far as The ability for certain they say Gesture Festival viruses things like this to date and also other things protozoans orange diarrheas caused whatever so. Obviously these things are need to be kept in. Check yeah we eat. Lies obviously injections you know. There's there's there's Certain type of bacterial Soul injections that have been shown to elevate immune system certain wormers. The shown in the past have effect only interested in horses. And or you know other livestocks You know so. There's a lot of things that that we look at it. and Try to maintain you know obviously has been drink tax nations things like this of anything that emerges and or things that they get exposed to you could set up housekeeping and create a second problems sometime unwinding reborn is really really good. Product for that We at appealing is is our helps. the regrets that the guest Tesla doing it will activate and activate a number of organisms and both respiratory and the Gaspard sessile track. So yes there are things that we can do and do use routinely especially. Let's say like you said we're newborn foals. I you know because you want to boost immune system we give wrote a caucus Serum you know these they plasma things like this Pity spoils right to warm because it's worth the investment. You want to try to make sure that that's immune system has a bigger jump as it possibly can We combination of that with the the Worrell administration of similar. You know a immune system medication like rewards for good thing too so combination. All these things work good together a little bit For those that are curious about what may have happened and and how you know this issue it raises it's had On a fairly regular basis Horses horses are apt to ingest the all kinds of things and and They've got other just like us just like babies. The babies you got. That's why you protect your house and you secure your house from from babies putting things is in their mouth to There's always there's always some danger lurking Steve. Let's turn our attention to last weeks Release of the report on Mongolian. Groom and Dr Bramlett obviously thorough with this investigation. Very very frank. I think everybody understands that You know things can get missed. You were very outspoken about this in November November. Have you had a chance to go through the report and Get a feel for what this pre existing condition was is and how it might have been missed. Well it's You know I mean I agree with a lot of things. He you said in in their You know but I did read all twenty five pages and also up. PM There you know that they just went through at things supplies but other You know yes. He showed evidence that was ticker horse. Shows Micro factors suit and evidence are damaged in is Business a hind candidates. And obviously there was just did was obviously demonstrable these in his in the normal or the one that which still did not break down and you can suffer catastrophic collapse and the White Hart But I disagree with one thing in my experience you know last. You know thirty five plus years and working with a couple of Pioneers Landis perspex you know I i. I'm not a big believer either. I I think there are things that occur both limbs. Yes without a doubt that's demonstrable launched but in my opinion the reason why the one broke one factor handle. It didn't cause more advanced and I think you know I I think that our ability and you like realize and then look sexy the fact that horse at a video in two days before he ran a mile quarter race because because basically visibly deficit why time should have been more than just a flag. And you know what I mean it. Just it's really I mean you know. He keeps talking to the fact that they were ninety. Nine point six percent accurate in their descriptions horses and the horses that they allowed to raise six. Say Ah Boggling. And Groom Thomas You know but one the point four percent that you were inaccurate on the one. Don't like no different than the one that they that Jerry Hongbo happened one back. He worked at All the training track at seven new causing to get moved move off with art and that was only one maybe thousands of horses. This guy started his career that that is you know we are absolutely i. Enjoy your tower so you could cut yourself on the back you know that you did. You know ninety nine point six percents Tanya right but the back of the matter remains I mean. Is that as professionals that are licensed than we are the overseers one that we're going to have to trace for the one we're going to be you know all calls walk for the one that she basically you know are going to have your integrity question and your ability to observe and make the right calls the one that didn't you get by your your measures your standard at measure and you know unfortunately were point where thinks about I'm not saying I know that you know there's zero tolerance you know an exact. That topic has realized that you know this used to be export kings and you know the the rich basic tolan. They kind of like sitting with didn't didn't go well. I think the thing that should be everybody's the back of everybody's mind is the fact that hey dr racing in the state of Florida and the public out and therefore proposition insist his you know on a ballot and the public as it say in. The governor's GonNa sign and it has plenty of backing you know. It doesn't matter how much money the never meet billionaires. Play your games you know at the state. Essentially by the plurality of voter Boats out. It's wrong and you don't believe it's called the guys they. He used to bring home in Florida. So therefore you know you know a panel the backs of great things instituting this or would do but you gotta remember. This was outlined the situation was we had a large staff of people that were dedicated to observing observing examining rechecking diagnostically working up and hitting records and working on a large group of horses for a period of two days. This is not the norm that this is what happens. You know ninety nine percent or ninety nine point nine percent time this is one that okay now. Now the problem is you had all these people and you had you know all the expert whenever and so once still slip on what happens when there's all these people aren't there earners only state a very very limited staff of those practitioner android that this state people in Racetrack people that deserve and you don't have fifty fifty outsiders there at the same time but you know then what is your what is the you know your normal standard operating procedures how you can overcome from this. How does this not going to be slipped list though different than you know I mean it you can give every an algae under the sun but the fact actors no matter how you cut it that one got missed okay so the analysis of how it got missed is excuses. Essentially awesome that bilateral latest problems and that you couldn't be the check it off. It was such a case. Why was video a couple of days before because I didn't hear that really get addressed? Accept the fact that the knowledge that exists in that he looked like he was off my parents but then the tweet down on the rug welts. Let's just talk about the fact but look what he could see when they jogging. Works in because You know he didn't show you the demonstrating or exaggerates lamest. When that occurred? Well I guess wrong you just accept the fact this is a small percentage of the laws that we have to endure. So that's great if we can dirt a public apparently doesn't like that dog doesn't like that Approach from what I'm gathering well and that I think essentially as you as you kind of summarized there that's that's what was so that's what was so just shocking about this. Not that can go wrong but that under under this much scrutiny Rubini and with with you know so many pre-race your daily evaluations that that You know a horse was presenting like this and and apparently the video a video that so many people cited later that you know that they saw that And you discuss too and at the time. That shirt looked like he was off the fact that somehow that escaped being brought to the attention of any of the parties involved. I mean that's what I think. is so maddening about this. You know from a from a specifics. Standpoint and the the the biggest part of Dr Branches report is centers on the actual injury. And how you know how the as he terms terms it the dominos fall. And there's there's a couple of questions out of that Steve that I think you. Can you know uniquely address. Ah for starters. The fact that these were in the hind is a little interesting just because so often a AH. The vast majority of of breakdowns occur in the fore limbs as opposed to the hind. And when it comes to detecting micro fractures. There's hope that that is some of this technology and some of the scanning equipment that Santa Anita has brought in and will give advance notice. How practical is that? And you know how how quickly can a microfracture the detected with the scanning technologies available. Well certainly find it. You know. It's just oh you know but you come up against his. You come up against a high level of assistance and there's gotTa be you know the people that are making the call have to have the constitution enough dedication and faith in their diagnostics. So say hey. I think that this can go too far. You know you gotTa have a little bit of a crystal ball but the fact is air on the side of caution you probably GonNa Save. You know what I mean. In this case it may have been that if they had had sort of equipment they may have made assault. I personally like it. I mean I you know I spoke with back after this and he basically agreed with one thing with Mason. Listen because I want all day is you know there's something wrong so therefore even kept kind it that means you know needs to be found out what it is or should you know is only only something bad to constantly happen from that Mitch. Number one the worst run good. I don't think okay I don't have a crystal ball like I said I have to say I do. I've been accused of it but it's not true. So the truth is you know literally you know since there's a defect or there's a deficit and it's got to beat them a detailed defect. That's not that the source rock bass what that's ask my whole argument. That's been my point. That's what the thing you know. And that's my being brushed over on. This video is like this that exist. It's out there there. Nobody looked at it and they all Saturday Saturday more Sunday Monday morning quarterbacking. It's been called everything under the sun but most everybody talked to said. Hey words appears to have the depths of my so therefore you know Kinda be addressed should something should be interest and this this question about the the The Cinta graphs and radio graphs and I thought I thought it was interesting. That the way Dr Bramlett term that that even even looking at those it it isn't necessarily surly a lameness meter. And so you you mentioning that I if it if it limps like a duck. It's a duck. There's a problem I mean if a horse horses is gotTa Hitch in the get along. There's something the causing it stayed really comes down to this. You know I mean I guess on most of us I mean I'm one hundred percent bores I refer horses to get nuclear. Scans whatever but you know I think the thing you know the eight hundred pound gorilla you know the thing that stark staring at us here you know everybody is the fact that you know. They just don't WanNa address it back that the horse was Dwayne and was deficit that time. And that's probably where he was more advanced in you know and that's just not been admitted to declared and whatever I mean this. This is a great thing that you did this thirty years ago. And you're trying to explain to the public how things happen but we are like math we are we are at a very you know GENUIS position we are carrying on the break where you know we are are are industry sits potentially on the side of ruin because of US trying to like cover up and let's just be honest. Let's be open this come out with it's just say. Hey what was there and where it was miss you know and not not try to out that. Hey we were ninety nine point six percents correct on all the other horses best is one. That's the one you're talking about someone you know. It's not we're not. We're not looking at everybody else. 'cause they made the right call now. You're always going to be YOU'RE GONNA have to explain mistakes not your fitness beer your successors your fingers or what people point to not your your successes as a rule. Well I and of course the fact that they the fact that they restricted the inclusion of of what four four others five others that they didn't let run. I mean that that that wasn't even brought into this surprisingly to to a degree And then Steve also on the on the hind versus. This is the front. Is that just strictly a conclusive issue and that that you know horses they land do they land harder on their front. Does that wise. They're more stress on the fore limbs than the hind limbs but typically yes but the way was always explained to me by one of the forefathers of lamest was that strong name was concussion and the Hind Dan essentially He's got more things like this unless they got over like over trump really overused and then they succumb to fatigue injury. It's my guess is a really good thorough exam was down the source that you would probably seen not only something possibly but at least turn but probably something in the right front as well because overload China right but that's been my experience for thirty five years okay and you know and and look. I'm not saying the right hound is there wasn't there but we also know for a fact that if it were stays off one ran they tend to start overlooking looking over lynch that creates a moray symmetry. So how do we know that the right time wasn't nearly as advanced or was there from getting off a wet time as well as maybe something Monroe French but since I didn't examine the Horse I wasn't there like I stated before you know I'm just guessing it actually had a source exam. I can tell in two days before jogging. Arguing that race attracted Sandinista Bob Ross time and fairly consistent and never really warmed up and now it would be as as much of a flag for me if you were my client or if I was observers say which some sort of semi because he's John Around off his consistent Dr Steven all day course help today brought to you by Louison and reborn stave hope. It's a great year for you and the family and the business and The rope and and everything else Great to start the year off even even with too difficult to to address topics topics. Thank you Steve. Take care always terrific and you can follow Dr all day on twitter four legs dock and and most importantly if you want to interact with both Steve and with Alex singer the all day way dot com and all kinds of questions about Your Sport Horse Your Pleasure Horse your pet your your lawn ornament whatever it it is whatever got our she got Stephen. Alex will help you the all day. Way Dot Com. 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Chad Brown Interview - July 12, 2019

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

10:12 min | 2 years ago

Chad Brown Interview - July 12, 2019

"All right from philly dilly to the defending leading trainer he set a record last year forty six wins. He's won four. Dan is already. He'll look to add to that. He'll look for four in a row five overall tomorrow Chad add brown nice enough to join us on express fit radio busy day they all are during the forty day Saratoga meet Chad. Thanks for some time today. Thanks for having me all right <HES>. Let's get back to the scene scene of the crime last year. Forty six wins you ever. Can you ever imagine winning that many races at this meet let alone any meat no really it's hard to believe but <hes> you know we just stayed focused me he my staff and my clients and all the horses perform so well. Everything just really came together and it's really tough meat obviously the top horsemen horses here and <hes> you know we're in a fortunate position. We have a lot of horses in our bar. That can compete here you. It's your home track right and I mean that's kind of be just outstanding to to blitzed the competition like that at your home track with all your friends around and your family people that she no. I mean <hes> isn't that wonderful now. It's <hes> the best part of my year Saratoga federal all family and friends here Chan's and it is our home track. This is where I got interested in horse racing right here in the picnic. Career with my parents and to come back they run in life and being able to compete at a top level here at this meet. It's really dream come true you <hes> you and I have tried to get this interview done for the better part of two days and and understandably you are very busy and we appreciate the time do you ever get do. I shouldn't even say yet because the answer is no. Do you ever make time to enjoy yourself here because this is where you're passionate began. You know everybody else comes up here and for the most part they get to enjoy the summer meet you. Do you ever take a day and say you know what I'm just GonNa. Go hang out. I'M GONNA put on a banana nose and other than just go enjoy a day at Saratoga in the backyard. Now that doesn't happen but I do. You enjoy myself the entire even working. I'm busy. I love it and <hes> yeah some days. You're tired you might be tired physically but you're not tired of me or the job you know what I love to do and <hes> you know it's you know I wish we raised all year round and be great but I hope it all in and <hes> and I take time to really catch up with people I I don't get to see other times of the year. That's my favorite part of the meat and <hes> you know it's just it's just really fun especially winning. It's kind of <hes> I've noticed this. I don't know you all that well. We've done a few interviews together and stuff but I mean I have never seen. you smile more than you have this year. It seems like you're really enjoying your job this year. You're really having a good time at. Is that True Yeah I. I guess I mean I feel like I smile I. I'm very focused person and I guess everyone wears. A different face when they're focused <hes> for me. I might have a little bit of a serious look on my face or something but I I love what I'm doing and generally happy person. I'm lucky so <hes> but you know you. You can't always judge how they feel. I'm been happy what I'm doing for a long time. I thought it was because you spend all the time with me and and the ad moment now that will put a that's a great aunt. Yeah I was GONNA say hang out in the backyard for you but <hes> with you but <hes> there definitely I can't. I'm not incognito at any point in life. Can I go incognito. <hes> all right. Let's get to it a raise like the Diana <hes> part of the fabric of here at Saratoga. You're you're a kid growing up thinking about <hes> becoming a horse trainer you ever think you're GonNa win four of these now now. It's really amazing pinch myself that one one of them so <hes> but you know it's a race really point towards especially having strong barn full of phillies mayors on the turf. It's just one of the most prestigious races to win for a turf Mare and <hes> I know my mentor Bobby Frankel. He'd loved his race. He's got a handful of races that were races. This is definitely one of them and to have a lot of success in this race like him <hes> you know it makes. Let me feel good time whilst working with him. You've won it four different Phillies Zagora back in twenty eleven your first win and then you've rattled off the last three to sita in one of the most thrilling horse races I've ever seen I think eight of them hit the wire together with the length of each other <hes> two years ago with the incomparably the Eli last year with Sister Charlie and now I guess we start the conversation precision sister Charlie four different grade ones last year for different distances eclipse award for all the Philly in Maryland the turf <hes> we haven't seen her for awhile since that Breeders Cup win. We're talking about over eight months now. How is she doing coming into? Tomorrow's renewal of the damn she's doing great and I wish I had a prep race you know under her belt but it just wasn't meant to be you got a little sick on mainspring and the back off again but <hes> she's doing great our last couple in particular. I've been strong so when you say she had a couple of races going into this last year but she's run really well chat off the break as well so <hes> is it as big a concern as it would be would maybe another war she who hasn't fired fresh <hes> no you know when you're dealing with champion or like you said so it it is a concern but it's not as much concern like you mentioned with horses for caliber. I wouldn't be surprised at all. It should just be able to overcome it and run them down right. She'll be coming from far back on the front end. <HES> IT figures to be rushing fall. Fall she's a ahead and questionable ride slash trip in the Edgewood last year away from me and undefeated in her career she seems to be she seems to be what she is right. You just put it on the front end especially in the last three. It turned into this front running machine yeah. She's <hes>. She's very versatile horse. She you know she can run on the front. She crime from off the pace. She's done and she one great ones both ways so she's a remarkable talent Alan. I mean nearly undefeated great horse. It took a really good philly to beer to that. That philly was very well meant but <hes> she ranted awesome race herself. Yeah it's unfortunate circumstances you know say back a little sooner and she was Kinda up on a hot pace and all that but it is what it is a horse race and we've got run down but since then she's been perfect before that that's just perfect so just one little amish and other than that she had a pristine clear. Will you use your ability with her to have some options like you just said grade one on the front end from off the pace <hes>. Do you leave that up to the jock or do you just you know let her go do her thing Havi. Just put it on the front and <hes> we'll see I think he'll be on the front end tomorrow and we'll just see. DWARF RUSHING TALL far. That's the plan anyway but <hes> you know once the gate opens. You never know so <hes> once you have to see what happens I was going to ask you about this. The blinkers go on. She draws the wral <hes> the plan just to put her on the Leeann. You know people thought you were crazy in the Beverly D and She got gets beat just a length of three quarters probably triples value as a broodmare by getting that replacing <hes> and you got one of the hottest riders many Franko and you were on the Miami Amy Bandwagon early on Manny has been on fire the last year and a half and <hes> listen stranger things have happened than you getting on the front end winning a great well. She's her insurance acetate in our strong pace ace but like you saw in the Beverly d she could certainly be a factor if left alone. Hold on for Peace Bridges that Alaskan tender you have tomorrow and the one that I like the best <hes> and that's homeric who almost to me looks like this year sister Charlie comes over from Europe <hes> as a couple of races couple of wins under a belt and now Milena sixteenth first time mile and a quarter last time in the New York Handicap beat <hes> one mates stablemate competition of ideas a nice philly vault far vich. What do you think of her chances tomorrow? Really maybe getting a little bit of a class test tomorrow with the likes of Sister Charlie and and an rushing fallen them she's training like she's certainly up for it and she shows bring it turn of foot <hes> in both a racist for us. She's came in highly regarded and she's really delivered nicely versus. She is the distances.

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How To Bet the Return to Racing At Churchill Downs

How To Bet Horse Racing Podcast

40:32 min | 1 year ago

How To Bet the Return to Racing At Churchill Downs

"This is the Horse. Racing horse racing podcast. Today we talked to Bruno to Giulio about betting. Churchill downs now here's your host at Derosa or back on the horse racing podcast. The same week bat racing we'll be back Churchill. Downs Library sings returned. Saturday may sixteenth and to help us figure out what to figure out about the horses in the entry backs the first few weeks this mate someone who is seen. Hopefully a few of these forces at least in the mornings and Kentucky's certainly familiar with the ones that will be shipping in from Florida's. Well clunker Impresario Bruno's Giulio Bruno. Welcome to the program. Well thanks We're all in the new normal. If the skin be said is a normal so you know all you the best you can do in this position as kind of project. What you think can happen and that sometimes you have to adjust on the fly. And that's what we'll have to do starting next weekend. Yeah no question about Three or four weeks ago generally would be the time we'd have our annual Derby discussion that's hopefully delayed not cancelled until I guess maybe mid August might be a good time to catch up on the Kentucky Derby Twenty Twentieth to September fifth. Ben Happens but before we get into live saying returning from Churchill definitely want to get your feel for how you think preparations for horses pointing for the Derby and September fifth are going to change versus what it takes normally point to the first Saturday in. May you know it's a really interesting question because from what I understand. They only had a couple of days a week to work over. Fairgrounds Mike Correct. I don't know if I I don't believe they had you know they could. Train regularly The the part about it is I think courses coming up. Fairgrounds may need a race because they haven't had the ability of training every day You know that and I'll go back to a bobby. Frankel said a long delay. Bobby Frankel said he said these sources are over. Let me do it in his voice overtrained anyway so you know. Sometimes we think all of this horse needs a race and had it's really each horses. Its own case study. I think Philly's can be ready pretty much on a dime to run where colts are a little bit tougher to get to get ready. You'll have horses coming in from From Florida I think the Tur- forces will be okay because they've been training down at Palm Meadows under turf courts. I'm very anxious to see how the turf course plays at Churchill The two year olds who the two year olds. It's interesting. I mean other than getting ready at a form because that's not really a place. You Really WanNa get him ready at full competition. Keenan and Gulfstream have only been two places. If I'm not mistaken I I don't think oaklawn really at two year olds they're California would be the other place and you might get some California horses coming in But but that again you guys have. Can you explain how you guys are handling the shipping and so I know also So it Sagger D- It started today with the stable area opening. And then I forget the exact order but I think it was fair grounds. Today and local training center so Kentucky Horses Shipping Churchill and then Florida's next so Tampa and Gulfstream I'm sorry Oakland snacks then Florida than New York. And I'm guessing after that Florida Point It's probably the whole country. I don't think it's limited to New York so it is staggered every week. A new jurisdiction in a horses been allowed to train over a trackside. No there was no training at Churchill or The old at forget what had a few names but the slot parlor is Keelan and probably around here summit. Ptc and probably would have probably the only places close to Churchill. That is allowed to have voices. Now when you say horses shipping into you know to the track. Let's say somebody wants to run on opening weekend from California or from a Gulfstream? Would they be able to run I? That's a good question I actually. I don't believe opening weekend in my and the reason I say that is because my understanding is they they The condition book was geared toward the Kentucky horses. They knew were in proximity. That could get here now. The stakes scheduled starts next week. So I'd be shocked if there were any limitations on shipping into run. Considering they're they're going to have steaks on Saturday so in other words we're going to be seeing. A lot of the chemo and horses. Were going to be in a lot of terror. Play horses and We're going to be seeing a lot of the a lot of the horses dad. I just got a text. Basically with all that information on there I guess. Gulfstream and Tampa Bay downs will be in training centers or may fourteen to sixteen. And the reason the reason I always it. Yeah so the first weekend you'll not be able to get any gulfstream shippers because I needed to get in my own head an idea what look forward to. So you're going to have or SIS coming from keeneland that either raised at in the last month or more at Oakland shows the keeneland and now they're gonNA run. You get a Lotta horses that have ad breaks. You can have a lot horses You weren't there some first steps starters. it's GonNa be really really interesting to how the entries shape shape up and then you kind of have to take into consideration. Who's going to be ready to? Who'S NOT What does that entail? Well if you've got a first time starter that's bizzare any straightly at keeneland. Keelan horses can be ready to ritual So that's a positive thing especially since everybody else's not fit enough or maybe needs the race. It's going to be a lot of fun just to follow along. It's definitely a once in a blue moon or pendant wants an opportunity from gambling standpoint. Absolutely a I mean I'm eager to see a mean From the wagering perspective is anyone can have competence to send horses off at odds on You know I guess when the stakes are. That could be an opportunity with you know. I urge the maidens because you know the the barn really knows they have something that's ready to roll and the rest of the field isn't you know could see the. The price is reflecting that. But I agree with you anything the first weekend you know. Be a small sample size guessing. Maybe twenty races Max between Saturday and Sunday. But are you the type that will look for where the horses trained or had their last starred or the the type of that absolutely? I liked the The Foreign Morse's the one thing that really holds back a lot of horses coming in from the farm and being ready is they don't really get a chance to come over to the big track and work at a workout or at least get a chance to pop out and at on a regular gate and what. I mean by that. Is that when you're at the farm and you have your small rinky-dink Fort Three Stall Gate to Stall Gay Issue. You those gates don't have the power in the stall doors that the track the the the official gay does the official gate as very When those gates pop open they pop open violently. And if the end if you go to the farm a lot of those other gates by hand they do it by battery and it doesn't have that same power so it almost startled the horses that are not used to it if if those gates open faster than what they're accustomed to. That's why you always hear you know guys bringing horses from my horse can fly for the farm keeneland and April and they did get out of the gate he's got my horse showed all speed. Yeah but you did it at a gate with a Rinky dink opening or the gate. It's much different ear and Ten years ago Maybe fifteen years ago. John Bronco Banca for BBC. Three at the time we shipment. I learn about that through them watching them getting their ready. They're two year olds for for the two year old racing at two furlongs at Santa Anita and it was all about teaching them and giving them that schooling that take them to the gate at Senate Nita even though there were fire flex even though they were down in law sal or whatever they were to get ready they brought him over the Senate data and in the two days before they made sure they pop them out of the gate at full speed just to get him accustomed to that Gates feet and I think that's of paramount importance when it comes to the young orces very interesting. I want to stick with the two year olds. I know in addition to watch an-and trained for your workout report. You're also heavily involved in a attending the the two year old training sales as well which obviously this year Have a very different. Look if they even happened at all Does that change your approach to handicapping two year. Olds are actually ready to race. At this point said there won't be a Lotta sales information to rely on You know over the years of sort of you know I kind of really understood the salesman back in late. Two Thousand and eight two thousand nine two thousand ten where I worked closely by two year olds at a two year old training sales and Prepping horses getting them ready. And and you know sponging everything I could from John. Bronco bengals shade shipment who had a lot of our horses They were from Utah. And that game is changed. You see a lot of horses coming out of OB s now but that synthetic that don't run for a year and you know you could put me in the corner and say what do you think of two year old at training sales general now. I think it ties up almost half of our our two year old populations if we have a twelve thousand full population and you got four thousand or five thousand. I'm going through these two year. Old and Training Sales. You're tying up a large percentage of the year olds and you're asking a lot of those two year olds to do more and more and more so for example. I'll bring up nyquist which made nyquist incredible Animal Nyquist to go to the march sale. As a two year old at full in Florida facing Tipton had the start breezing in December of his yearly year. Just to be ready for March. So you're asking a horse to start really early in their career as soon as they turn to. They're not even on January first. Most of them are not two years old. You're asking them really as yearlings to go all the way through the sales and then go to the track and you're seeing now that that effort to get those two year olds to to track to the two year old trading sales it causing from them not to show up for almost six months to eight months after that and that to me hurts the two year old population. That to your racy. Because you don't get as many into the system as you should I remember the days when Churchill used to be full of full field of two year olds and May June. Now you can't anymore because half those horses are already tied up going into year old and training sales and and it makes it really hard and I've seen a switch from where I could go gamble on a horse confidently in June or May or June or July coming of those sales. And now you can't anymore now they don't show up and if they do. It seems like they need a race and it's really interesting. It's an interesting A PROGR F. I can say this in quotation marks Progression With two year olds. Over the last few years and be remiss Talk about two year old to not discuss Wesley Ward Semi Utility at Gulfstream. Is this just a matter of his better horses? Were never in south Florida. If you've had a chance to see any of his it keeneland is he. I mean he's Kinda unbeatable at this point because he keeps taking money Gulfstream. Is that worth keeping in mind for Churchill or is it just a totally different Environment Kentucky? Well first let's take a look at the whole picture. Why is this happening? Well first of all Florida is not gonNA lasix and I don't think Churchill leader right correct. Two year olds okay. That's big difference because now you gotTA train different. You can't push your heart. Second of all is being down in Florida. It's like us living at home and then all of a sudden we're asked to stay in hotel somewhere you know you you know it's got the sane and and I will say this. He doesn't have John Hancock chasing them down the stretch either. He doesn't have guys coming in from the farm in our already right. He's got guys like Michael. Yates routh Knicks. One over auto hiring del and Aaron. Del does very well. They're very good. They prep those horses in extensive fashion at the farm. They get them righty they. Bring them up and give them the two works to give the gauge boom. They go so he's actually facing stiffer competition and he has to do more sources down in Florida. Then he really wants to where he could train with more comfortable here at King and be able to do what he needed to do. So it's a combination of thing. I don't think anything's changed other than the competition. The training the training the trainers colony and three. Just not being at home turf way to leg-up he doesn't have keeneland know the leg up. He did have a couple of goes down here. He's got a few here. That been training up to five eighths which could be ready. Which is a big difference. He's been at Gulfstream Park West. Going three eight out of the gate which I don't even put any substance in any of those times from jet Gulfstream Park West. But he he. I don't think he can do what he wants to do. Because of the no lay six and the inability of being at home and facing tougher trainers speeding a tough trainers The only other one individually mentioned among the two year olds but Steve Asmussen The last five years in the May June portion of the churchill racing. He has more than twice the number of two year old maiden special weight. Starters is any other trainer and incredible with all those numbers actually a positive our Y So not even over Beth given his name recognition. And how well he does. Where two year olds Any patterns handicappers can look out for and in Steve bringing a two year old runner to the maiden special weight ranks in terms of where the better ones might train or when he likes to work etc. Well first of all these statistics you have for the Churchill. Spring-summer me at least a spring part you can just tear up and throw in the trash because this is a year. This is your ear your twilight zone strikes. You know outpointed this podcast that yeah and blunt you just gotTa take that and throw it out now. Does he have a lot of two year at at Keeneland? Yeah he's got a couple of that have been training really well. Black Cop Brad Cox. Few over there that he's starting to set down really. So they're going five eighths. They're going they're going. They're five as what they need to do but I would be weary. I'd be Leery of ood finding SIS coming in with one worker to over Keelan and then running because I can guarantee you. Debt Steve. Asmussen has had a lot of his two year olds training down in And El Primero down at their private facility. I don't know if they would be shut down but they. I think it's Romero right. Yes Keith Mrs Place I would be. I would not be surprised if he's had a lot of them going down their training. And you don't see anything as far as time goes as a private facility. Come up get that get work that they need that pop out of the gate that easy half mile and boom and run so I would be looking at horses that make you go. Where's this source? Been kind of a little bit more because day might be coming in from somewhere fit and ready now. Lonestar. I don't believe Lone Star Ben Open. I don't believe Sam Houston's been opened. That's another one of his favorite to get US ready. I know Auckland hasn't had two year olds out there. I don't believe if they have. I got to look at the TAB and find out Fairgrounds may have had a couple but it would be very interesting to see where they up from and you kind of have to make it up as you go along in reality. Yeah that's I. Guess THE FLIP. A double edged sword. I A lot of conviction especially early intimate but on the other hand that type of uncertainty in the market might might create some better prices along the way including on him. I mean I guess I'm taking the idea that horseman who have proven themselves and different situations throughout their career. Might have an edge here. And certainly Steve with his father far-flung operation and seems to have a handle for for handling different variables whereas I don't know maybe other guys who were stuck here all winner might be more of a challenge to to have certain horses ready depending on the condition and also we've had weather here in Kentucky. I mean will. We have rain for like three days during the week. That kind of you know can wreck havoc The one thing I'll say is the biggest change in the mall and the biggest game. Changer is the no lasix? 'cause I think some guys after to really be careful how they train horses because if you get a two year old and you do too much too soon and they bleed on you now you gotta start all over and you gotta give him time and and and that can be that can be a real a real issue for some horsemen. You would probably see a lot. More horsemen scope and horses Lot more horsemen not bushy horses to do some of the things they need to do until the radio watching horse the other day. There was a Darren Miller that that worked really well. And I'm tr- Honorable Bow I think is his name and the one thing about it is first half mile. He went really fast on forty nine in his first half mile and then right away the next work Darren slow them down the fifty one. If I'm not mistaken and you really have to do that. And because the no lasix I think a lot of guys who worked fast usually will. WanNa wait an extra week. Give us a work and income in to erase a really changes. How you approach work in horses before you can put them all six and you can work them and s okay. Now you can't At least that's what I understand. I don't know if they can put them on Lasix for work and take them off licence when they run. I'm not sure if you can do that And be able to do those things so I it's a lot and I can tell you that none of the I don't care how good anybody is. None of them have had to deal with what we've had to deal so far. Sure this is definitely unchartered waters really for everyone concerned Before you say something else I need to do this. Forget I wanted to find out. How's your kids? I was Ej out everything going with them with all the all. The problems on the scares that we've had about Govan nineteen. Yeah now they've We've obviously kept pretty close to the vest here. We live in a pretty rural where out by skylight training center. So definitely don't need to get the kids out at all really in public and knock on wood Help healthy at home here. So we J. Haven't had any issues with him I actually for for better words because it makes us feel bad that we probably have to to limit how much he does even when things opened up a little bit But he's probably actually the healthiest. He's been in a while because he hasn't had any. You know all those germs that kids bring to school etc so thankfully jailing for for him which you know he's definitely in the vulnerable category with his pulmonary issues. So I appreciate you asking and you and your wife have done a phenomenal job. My hat goes off to you your dedication to that little boy. Sometimes when I see pictures and videos a hand I get that little little feeling that why I remember when he was born. You were not you. Were dealing glowing when he was. Yeah been through a lot appreciate you saying so and asking. It's turned out to be an amazing blessing world. Good congratulations guys now. You mentioned skylight skylight. Been Open yes so Wilkes. This ad is over there correct. Yeah Wilkerson drewery and I guess probably whether you have to keep a look in in know and find out and kind of get an idea. Hopefully they got all their works published. I know jury is a very good horsemen and very sneaky. And sometimes you gotta read between the lines because not that many works get published right and you know but That's a good point. Skylight could be very interesting because it is a synthetic track. I believe have their training track. Yeah so that's that's that's my next question. I'm glad you brought that up. You reminded me That's that's a good facility And I when I get off the phone with you. I'm GONNA check and see if What the workout looks. Work routes look like from there. And see if there's something that we could use Coming up in the next at least the first couple of weeks right. Yeah now that they've been going. Tommy used to live next door to me and obviously know him anyway in Churchill. So I've I've been in touch throughout all this and it doesn't sound like they've had any hiccups out there. At all other than you know the usual if weather slowed things down it. Cetera via they've been full steam ahead Last question Churchill related got some big name jockeys coming in cast Castellano. Rosario Johnny v Three guys I'm sure you're familiar with well anyone's familiar with period but you obviously see a Lotta them down at Gulfstream. Big Naira names typically any thought to know what were their strengths might lie against this Churchill Colony and certainly. Churchill seems to be a track that does offer some home track advantage when you think of how well someone like Landry or barral More historically have done at that tracks verses others. How do you see these guys in here? What about the Ortiz? Brothers have not heard that they're making the trip I. I wouldn't be surprised if they're here. Mistakes day before Nyerere opens. But I don't believe they're planning on being here regularly. I thought I saw Jose Post something about coming to Kentucky. But listen this could be one of those colonies that can resemble the the old California With pink guide delahoussaye McCarron Stevens Robbi. Toro remember those those. I don't know if you're old enough to remember those particular Off Mike coming of age in the late nineties go on for some but those guys were absolutely amazing and just step back for a second and I'll fill in your question. I am going to handle the first couple of weeks as of Churchill is I would handle a del Mar meet when they opened up track three days before the meat started. I would handle the workouts. I would look at the the horses shipping. And of course you have to go. There won't be that many works or over the track at all Also I don't believe that there's any statistical advantage of being worked over the track and running over the draft from skeptical handicapper by Berry Metro. Dade actually did it And you know little shameless plug for Oldbury. But the other point is is that. When you're looking at the jockey colony you what I WANNA do is. I want to be able to see them ride for people that they don't usually ride for so for example if a grant foster or a jury or a will send. Alaska's doesn't ride for Wilkes or or he doesn't ride for jury and all of a sudden they're on those horses that tells me a little bit more than for example Johnny Velazquez writings for top Letcher. In on which pletcher would be another issue. He's going to have A. You're going to be able to ship in from Palm beach downs and run at Churchill in the first couple of weeks. I don't think so you have to be on the grounds right. I have not seen any restrictions to running. 'cause if you have to be on the grounds that would eliminate. I know I know they're expecting a lot of ship shipments from turf way. Okay Okay what. My my reason is is that you can set that up by simply ship in a horse in you already. Have Your groom. That's been tested at the Barnes. They ship into the barn. So you should be good as far as that's concerned and there would be that human traffic. That could cause a problem but I would look at horses like that. But if Johnny Velazquez shows up on other horse from a Barney doesn't usually get on and like the drewery or Wilkes or grand foster or or even a Greg Foley. You know. That's the kind of ones that I'm gonNA pay attention to. And of course they're gonNA fit in their class world class jockeys yeah no question about them fitting in and actually agree with you and this is anecdotally my power number run the numbers but I kind of thought by you know puts up. Rosario that to me means a lot more than if it's for trainer who wrote him on the same horse last time down at Gulfstream right right right and you know I'll tell you one thing that makes Laknori or real and even my miguel main a- Very very dangerous Churchill. Is they understand that track and sometimes those guys never get off the rail and when they understand that track they can be deadly and may not. Is that good success he has. He's had bad meets other places but it doesn't matter because when that guy gets a horse ready and he's and he's on his game he follows that rail to victory whether they you know it's like you know. Give me the rail or give Me Death. You know and and and it just sometimes landry is really good about that and he he'll get to bat trips on the rail but he'll win the other three. When gets through every step of the way and with the new Josh Jackson coming in who may not be there every day and may not like New York they all race off the rail? Which makes it look like. The rail is bad. They all race off the rail. There's not that the real is bad and and what happens. They'll all get off the rails because that's how they ride and here you gotTa Landry and a main I in a breil making everything. Every every hole count down on the insight and that's the difference with Churchill As far as being what it is and what gives those guys sometimes an advantage while. I'm certainly looking forward to seeing it start. Play out on Saturday in the area were talking on Monday. But this'll be worth listening to Really throughout the first few weeks of the me but Yeah to May eleventh is. We're talking the barn area open Eager to see what kind of action we actually see in the morning as you noted probably a a week or so at least before things really ripped from a published workout standpoint Last thing I wanted to ask you from Twenty Twenty Derby standpoint now about three half months away Do you agree with what seems to be the public sentiment that it's backwards three. Tis The law and then everyone else. I never agree with the public sentiment. The reason being is because just too far away from now we don't show how Charlotte then is going to take a little break and then he's going to have to crank back up again. We don't know how Nidal we don't know any other three year old that my debut in O- or might have had race on their its belt and he's going to become an arrogant or a or a west coast or he's GonNa just blossom at at the end of the year code of honor so that the wherever came up with the first Saturday in May was an absolute genius because it really accentuated the improving three year old over the precocious two year. Old When you get the September you get more of the midsummer hot three year old. And we see that every year at at At New York travelers when you had horses like Marino a will take charge and or arrogant as I mentioned Come along and those horses you know really who they were in April or May of the two year three year old season. You didn't know they were. They were just average horses. So it it's GonNa be a much different it what it would have been now so. I do not have any sentiment whatsoever. I'm starting from scratch and I'm pretending his January and I'm moving forward. I'm glad you said that about the first Saturday may because I've actually had the same exact dot is. We watched this play out it. It's you know it's a prestigious race whenever it's run it's going to be a great one same as you know the preakness Belmont whatever. But you know that that placement on the calendar to me is is what makes it the classic for the Breed. Because you know we know they can go amount a quarter come September fifth. Th Horses done it in the travers. Belmont already and I'm going to have gone that far but you know to do with the first Saturday in. May after for the most part running for six eight ten months running a two year old Exception of justify recently but it really is just an incredible part of the Derby story of these horses were. We're GONNA be robbed at this year but you know that's it is what it is that that's the way to cars adult for twenty twenty and I will say just look at Catholic boy and the spring of his three year. Old Season couldn't get he could barely get a mile the next thing you know. He's in the travers right right in so these horses are The date they can these three year olds improve every day and one month is an attorney for horse let alone three months so maybe charlatan in his own. He reminds me a lot of old time. Classic Running Roulmann and Roulmann was just like in and when he was allowed to ramble on his own. It was fantastic. But when he wasn't right and he couldn't show a speedy could pass. He couldn't pass you down the stretch so it just one of those things that you know. You have to really go day by day. That's why I always Kinda bag on you a little bit sometimes about list in January and February of the triple crown season. Because there's you know I have seen horses in January and February that in May can outrun anybody. You know a distance of ground so and that's the big difference that a month for a horse is not like a month for us. It's an eternity and so when you give them three months you might well you know. A lot of three year olds are actually catching up in age and body wise to the horses that maybe there may full. And they're catching up. The horses they were January falls. So right now makes really an interesting angle. Well I'm certainly Same with Churchill. Starting this week looking forward to seeing out plays out but definitely would be lying if I said Also not looking for I be. I'm looking forward to seeing the traditional path Begin for twenty twenty one as well and Who knows maybe the first points race at twenty twenty one might be on the twenty twenty? Derby undercard this year. What stitches thing? Really? That's a good point. What's interesting about this whole the soul pandemic and first of all my heart goes out and my concern is go out to anybody. That's listening. This lost a loved one. I I'm sorry and I'm sorry for your loss and but this creating a different scenario that we may never see the same schedule ever again. Because and I'm not talking about the Derby I'm talking about the way. Racetracks and meets are are are allocated. I think Churchill Ceylan have a tremendous opportunity this June July and August to really showcase their product during the summer sheer. Shirl has had a chance to do it. But usually you guys are done by late you and then we go for the mid summer for the summer we go to Ellis now. I don't know I don't have any information whether Ellis is gonNA happen or not. I know they're they're wanting to do it. But what an opportunity for Kentucky racing to really grab the spotlight and showcase itself for its breeders for its owners for Churchill for Keeneland for all the tracks turf way to colonel really say. Hey look everybody's been used to go to Saratoga. Our landscape is changed. How can we make racing better and still have the quality that we used to so i? It's really interesting because I always thought all horsemen from Kentucky went up to New York and kind of took their business out of Kentucky. But now I think this summer they'll be staying here and their business will be brought here. And they're going to be making their their livelihood here in Kentucky which is should be a welcome sight Kentucky. Absolutely Yeah pay based on what I've been hearing would expect keeneland To to run at some point after Churchill and l. If side definitely very much up in the air but hopefully it all leads to spectacular Derby week the first week of September The fourth and fifth of course Oaks Derby and You and I are both based Bruno so Hopefully sooner rather than later things open up a little bit more and we'll be able to see each other at the race track of than than passing ships in the night. When when you're leaving I'm coming in you're able to clock. Churchill. Yeah Hope Hopefully. That'll happen would very much Be Interested to read all the reports live at Churchill. But in the meantime you told that before we came on air that you do have stock firm from keeneland and certainly all the the Florida information as well so Looking forward Accessing that starting may sixteenth the church. Oh I'm looking forward to it and let me ask you. A question is all the church. You'll down cards be during the day or they'll be doing any twilight racing or anything like that for the time being. They've said at one PM post for all races I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED. If it's more tracks come open they. May you know revert back to that. Thursday twilight just to take advantage of maybe an open spot on the schedule and And this is pure speculation but Churchill's obviously a very big place and you know maybe come June if you know there's some sort of X. People per square feet type of edict. That allows you know people on site I could. I could see that maybe changing the post times as well but looking forward to the first step Saturday a spring in the latch onset real racing and Kentucky. Because I sure do miss it. Yeah I did too great talking to you ED. Yeah always a pleasure. Bruno race at racing with Bruno on twitter as he mentioned. Elect's the bus my chops. Sometimes she'll welcome an opportunity to bust your as well but it always time. We're bored say bring it on board bringing everybody out everybody out there. Stay safe Best of luck to everybody in best wishes to you and your family and everybody out there. Thank you appreciate that Bruno. And Open linked to where you can get his products not only for Churchill but hopefully as other tracks come online at Gulfstream of course a mainstay for him. And they're still going strong and guess we'll be in perpetuity. It seems so good for them and good for Churchill opening Saturday. Lots of great information efforts dot com including Bruno's reports. Thanks for joining us. This has been that. How about horse? Racing horse racing podcast.

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Brisnet Call In Show - August 22nd 2019

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Brisnet Call In Show - August 22nd 2019

"Originating from our jimmy johns of lexington studios this is the prisoner dot com on call in show on the horse racing radio network the phone lines are open call now eight nine six six eight eight nine six six four seven seven six now. Here's jude fell good evening the h._r. And nation wherever you may be welcome to the net dot com call in show this jude feldon i'm in our jimmy johns of lexington broadcast broadcast studio and we're going to spend the next hour talk and travers talking saratoga talking del mar. Whatever whatever comes to mind whatever you wanna i wanna talk about. I know who i like in the travers but i wanna know who you like so give us a call eight nine six six four seven seven six six and we'll be happy to shoot the breeze with you <hes>. We got tom in del mar already on the phone. Hey tom they're talking. How are you good how are you. I'm doing fine first of all judah. I wanna tell you i've been laid up. I have fifty. I i had my first ever kind of back injury laying on my back and on the day the t._v. Gee had the twentieth anniversary. They had the vignette where you were talking about. The twin horses dude. I've i've always heard you on this in this media for the last two three four or five years as a trainer and everything it just i don't know really made my day day despite a smile but let's check. I said that's the guy talked to when i call them the call sometimes so wanna tell you that complement first of all in straight drake to it about the travers. I just don't see any speed on this other than tax from the outside. Am i totally wrong in an era where you have turf races where people send rabbits from you know halfway across the country to run in the million where i met you that one day and it was great meeting you years ago <hes>. Why would you know that had a horse. That was a closer not take a chance and throw another forced the barn in the travers just to you know ensure more of a speed hold up and i'm away for radio. If i could hear the answer i'll listen well. You know it's it's one of those things tom where you don't wanna like like junk up the field. Necessarily sometimes rabbits work you know in your favor. Sometimes they don't help. I remember one one time. I entered a horse as a pacesetter for bobby frankel. It turned out to be a four horse steaks and he was afraid there wasn't going to be much pace and i had a a really nice mayor that could go to the lead and she she went to the lead. She ran a very good race in in almost finished third in the race but then after after the race bobby didn't win it. He ran second he said. I wish i wouldn't ask you to run that philly. I might have wanted if i ever in there so it's one of those things where you you know. It sounds like a good idea. It doesn't always work out and <hes> i think trainers sometimes. They're a little bit reticent to you. Know run to win. One will do so to speak that would be that would be my answer <hes>. We've got ed with us now. I think he's has joined us. I don't know okay. I must have got some bad information there so <hes> anyway. Thanks for the the call tom and will <hes> we'll see what what happens gives call eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six. It's the brisbane dot dot com colon show. Nobody nobody's <hes> on the line do we have. There's the phone. I thought we had alright lis take a call right now so <hes> we'll we'll have somebody up in in just a second. We've we've <hes>. We've had a really good day today at saratoga a lot of a lot of nice horses a winning and horses that we gave out on the radio so it was a pretty good. <hes> situation got charles from mississippi on the line right now. Hey charles are you there. Yeah <hes> last tweet you gave me a three year old in turf race shaba and <hes> you're really opened my eyes up with that three year old against a terrible the four year olds right. I've never heard it quite. Put that way to you but i appreciate and be the big as horse today <hes>. I thought he was going to go through the radio. He was a little edge today. The big rock eaters is not as a horse. You'll ever five buddy it is. He's a hard knocker yeah yeah. He's a he's a good horse. My horse was fortunate to win but you know you win some and you lose some. You can't get out but it's always your horse. It basically by the people say i don't notice it that much but but people say that happens in in the you know it really shows up in the big as emotional guy i mean he he takes it to heart but i got a couple of questions for you. <hes> it saratoga what is the average jockey <hes> mount the and how much they pay like on <hes> win show in place well they get. I don't really know for sure but the the standard is ten percent of the win and five percent for second and third and then there's a standard jock mount which it's probably one hundred bucks or some you know well the other question i got i love that kodo monir into travers and i liked that. I like bradley cockroaches or said oh dale right and i i like to be as horse probably third but the horse i really love and i'll let you go and that that horse is running against matali that promises so feel yes. That will probably be my best day and i'll go hey jude. You taught me a lot just keeping keep it up all right. Thanks charles. We'll talk to you soon nine six six four seven seven six eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six six. That's the number on the show and we're happy to take your calls this evening. We'll talk travers or anything else you wanna talk about. We'll see what happens. <hes> ed ed around. I think so hey there you are where you been waiting to be patched in or figure this out some happens sometimes but here. I am all right good. Well glad to have you onboard. How's everything going for you today. <hes> i actually kept got my money and my pockets on even so that's good yeah wanna make try playing <unk>. 'em ammunition for this weekend. Yeah this is great races and pick five carryover at indiana grandma. Wow indiana grin. They have some nice racing there. Then it's kind of life it's kind of interesting traverse day and some of these big belmont day and do you really concentrate on those days as a lot in your overall play yeah. I think you know we certainly talk about this derby and breeders cup two other very big days. I just i just think the the polls are so big and if you really you think there's a shot that a race can produce a you know forty fifty the even bigger winner that you think you have a chance to connect with you. Gotta play because the the payout. That's that's just where you get those five figure payouts so you can't really rely on any other day now. If you look at the races and you think it's gonna chalk out then you addressed and maybe a tax on different pools but it the very least these are the type of days i just feel you you have to look and see if you can give your chance south a chance at one of those life changing payoffs and that it doesn't mean you try to do it if you don't think it's there. It's just the type of day you just have to look through the car and even for me. I'm not a big vertical local player but maybe it's not a pick five that sticks out but maybe it's one of those eleven horse fields that you can make a case for a super effective back to being the play 'cause you hate the favourite and like a couple of long shot so yes you have to look and then ultimately have to play along the way it's just fun. It's a social game and the big days are a part of that but the primary focus for me is i open my snap peas thinking okay. Where can i find the five five figure payoff today good strategy. We've got gary from shreveport on the line and gary are you there. I am here. Hey gary gary. I'm trying to make i'm trying to make a case for our one day. Not my concerns are that he's out of an intimacy which normally they pull associate with not going to go on a quarter <hes> and but he's no ran a hundred miles. I thought he was second best in the preakness. You know he came the overland. I yeah i think ever fast came up to the rail and beating. I the time off that cox has given him. I like what cox has talked about about the horse <music> but i know that he has to improve and get the distance to win the right so i just wanted to get you guys thoughts on all that. What do you think at yeah <hes> i'm intrigued and i actually went into handicapping the race thinking he might end up being my top pick and i went elsewhere and we'll wait to see if the horse comes comes up on a call before i give it away by process of elimination. It's not dale but i do think he's one of the ones and the caller earlier mentioned pace. That's is my biggest concern with him. There's just no true speed type in here and and i think there's horses who liked to be near the front that i just worry that one of them is is going to get i jump and make it a little tougher for horses like oh and dale and code of honor but certainly would love to see in ohio derby winner take home. The travers and owen dale is is in my top three. I just don't have a my top so don't wanna get beat by him in the maltese but he's not one i think of is maybe offering when value i kind of feel the same way that ed does i. I think he's he's definitely a top contender. I wouldn't fall over dead if he won and and <hes> you know. I don't have them on top but i think he's he's a very nice horse. He's on the upswing. I think he's got a lot of blue sky to his career and i couldn't knock your pick at all. If you choose him i think he's you know he's fine horse to bet on very consistent. He tries hard and he's in great perform. Cox has done a great job with them. Okay guys thank you and how are you going to approach the situation with the travers are are you going to look at like a pick. Four pick fives that kind of thing or have you decided yet what your strategy going to be yeah not not multi-race wise just cause havoc duggan enough to the preceding races and i know what the presence substantial ally and then midnight be sue and allay <hes> you know the the pick five does have a chance of maybe being a little more surpressed than i'd like lake especially given the kind of big days are good for hunting for the the big payoffs but from a entrust race <hes> strategy jude. I love the race because i actually don't think there's a ton separating top to bottom and <hes> one of my strategies is i think because of the twelve horsfield and we know tacitus is gonna take money and then there's four other logical. I actually think no matter or who the longest shot in the field is. I think that horse will offer value so whether it's trusting scouser cool ever fast one of those horses at least east is going to be fifty to one plus. I it just seems like they have to be especially in the super bowl. Maybe not in the wind pool and i just think that horses auto us with the logic rules <hes> people tend to box. They tend to not spread all the way to the longest shot and <music>. I'm not advocating all by any means. I'm saying take the horse ignoring because the difference between which say it's chess chief who's the twelfth joys and and <hes> scars are cool is the choice or ever fast as is the choice is minimal but you're just going to get such a premium having the longest shot in the board work so it's a gamble. You're basically just kind of playing the inefficiency of the market but i think this is the type of field where the logical make sense and the way to make money is has to gamble a little bit and maybe that bomb snakes in there yeah yeah. That's a good strategy and i know you're you're particularly good at at that type of thing you you analyze it so well and do do a great job and you can also find your stuff on on twitter too which is a plus for a lot of players. You're listening listening to the call in show on h._r. And we're gonna take a quick break here and come back the numbers eight eight nine six six four seven seven seven six. Give us a shout. Let us know what you're thinking. We'd like to talk travers or any other big race. You'd like to talk about the prisoner. His net dot com colon show phone. Lines are open call now eight eight nine six six h r r n that's eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven seven six the you want unlimited access to handicapping without exorbitant prices than grave dot com has you covered with a variety of plant past performances pedigree and raw data. The brisbane dot com performance plan offers unlimited p._d._f. 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R. r. n. is presented by rembrandt fence visit barbados dot org and breeders breeders cup gutu horse racing radio dot net for more information or to listen live. I love listening to horse racing radio network the night barbados. This is the prisoner dot com call in joe. The phone lines are open call now eight eight eight nine six six six eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six <music>. Welcome back to the nick dot com call in show. This is judy feld and i'm joined tonight by editor rosa ed ed glad to have you with us tonight. And where are you reporting from. I i am live from my home and kentucky's beautiful beautiful john skylight and hermitage nice we got we got john from fresno on on the line and john what's up. Hey jude how you doing good. I grow up. I grew up in so cal so i remember when you we're training back in the day and i always thought you did a really good job and saint horses to the tracks it and ready so <hes> without being sad i liked your analysis and your banter the big a. during the day so first and foremost <hes> travelers i am. I overlook involved africa torch here. I know everybody's saying there's no speed in the race and it looks like taxes. Gonna be up those go wire-to-wire but if i go back to the sunland inland derby with muccio. He's got probably more speed than anybody in the race if he gets loose with joe. There's a chance we can have an aggregate situation again thoughts on that okay well i i don't. I don't think he's <hes> anything like era gate and i mean he's. He's a nice horse. He's got speed. I don't know if he can go a mile and a quarter. He's not really <hes> my type of horse <hes>. I think he's overmatched myself so i don't think you're missing it. We appreciate the call and we'll see what ed has to say about it. <hes> well. I say say the secret word and one hundred dollars. He's my pick to win the travers. I agree with the caller completely other than hard time mexican them in the same breath as arrogate. I i mean burnett wise arrogates travers. I mean literally a case for the greatest performance numbers wise we've seen since we've published numbers i. I don't think we're gonna see that from muccio gustavo <hes> but i do think he's the most likely winner of the race and i begged his fair odds at nine to two so so. I'm a believer i agree. I think <hes> if they give him the lead joe. Can you know maybe dole it out over mount a quarter but <hes> a horse like scars are cool on tax. Go out which i think is more likely mutuel gustavo. Maybe gets <hes>. I run on the other logical so he's my pick it really. That's interesting because i i threw out this morning. I didn't leave. I didn't have have to stretch to know you. You were against horse race. That's right. That's right the difference of opinion as mark twain set but ah it's interesting because it's that kind of a race. I mean you could make a case for or against almost every horse in the field. There's reasons to love horses and reasons to knock courses and it's it's that's what makes a game go round so yeah and then i mean that's part of why you know to me. It's it's immaterial. Cereal who the actual longest shot is because <hes> obviously we cannot make a case against some of the bigger prices but i i found something to like about any of them. You know especially at thirty forty fifty to one and like i said i think whoever over the longest is just by nature's it'd be more overlooked than whoever the seventh or eighth or ninth choices and that's what i'm looking to exploit <hes> i will say one of my the opinions that i'm gonna be betting strongly as as i am against the curling as a as a prep year so to chad's and the cure and horse worse <hes> just you know they're kind of middle of the road odds wise so it's not not too thick of a or not to <hes> thin of a limb i'm on because it's not like taking a ton of money but that's just one of my you know. I can't use them all. Don't want to in the race. I'm looking to fade right. Don't forget at the phone number eight eight eight nine six four seven seven six. You're listening to the prisoner. Colin show and we've got dale from california on the line. Hey dale and i appreciate your taking a horse. Say this so many times people think myers seven in an orange peel virtual by any bron. Judah invests a mile and a quarter. Just south passes that last quarter growth if chow couple nichols put it on tacitus today's saturday today's put it all together. Finally let me ask you some deal. Do you think the blades are going to help him yeah. I don't think they'll monitor didn't think they were gonna help. That's good enough for me but i think you know like a lot of he's a very talented blackie horse cigarette around just talent and ability really ever <hes> extended themselves. You know ferdinando nancy around there pretty quick without ever even announced up an effort right twenty dollars. There's i think he's a kind of course. He just doesn't know that ginger run faster if you wanted to <hes> i think he's gonna i'm open. He doesn't <hes> <hes> saturday. I'm just disappointed that the other guys show up so tapped <hes> you know have a definitive leader the division so i'm gonna i'm gonna tell you i'm gonna tell you a story about about ferdinand and blinkers so thanks for the call dale and and listen up because i'm gonna tell you this story now. It's pretty funny so charlie whittingham. You'll love this ed. Charlie whittingham took a long time with ferdinand. Get them ready and stuff. I was in charlie's office one day and said. When are you going to put blinkers on ferdinand. That's how obnoxious i was when i was young trainer and and he looks right got me and he says he doesn't need them and talk about a slap down. There was no discussion about it and that was it. That was the end of the conversation right there so i learned i learned my lesson that day. Don't don't question hall of fame trainers. It's not a good idea and char- charlie and i were were <music>. We're good friends and he did a lot of nice things for me and in helped me out a lot when when i was a young guy but that was that was pretty obnoxious. I look back on it now. What let me do you think that was a good idea that he ever bring it up again. No you never did he wasn't he. Wasn't that kind of guy he you know he just he just was very firm. You look straight at me. That's how charlie was. He just like you know he would just tell it the way it was and that was it and and it was like oh my god i got my owners. Here's the deal with and now you got you to talk to you anyway. It was it was it was a good lesson for me and i never did that again. So oh always something you leaders are going to help them die. I guess they can't hurt because he's always in trouble but it it is one of those like at this stage like now are is it. They're grasping is a and i don't mean that negatively. You like trying to find something to like about it it. It just seems like they thought he needed them. They would've known that by now so long before now right. I i mean right. I mean he runs good every time that's like. It's kind of a puzzling situation that that all of a sudden we're gonna put blinkers on them but <music> caller. We can move against them against not that. He can't win. He's he's going to be heavily bet. Probably we've got ray. Hey from houston on the line. What's up ray well. I was wondering something about saratoga. They have sent six track records. That's a neat. I understand you fix a dirt track sometimes sometimes but they're setting track records on got star me knocking two full second it off the mile record. I'm wondering how this is all happening thank you thanks for the call. I think <hes> the weather's had a a lot to do with it. They've had you know seal the track and unseal it back and forth and and that's always a tough situation for <hes> track men and trainers to deal with <hes> and the turf is just historically. The last few years has been really really fast asked a lot of times the kind of bakes it have you any have you had any bad experiences with the track bias or something no but i mean more the question i i was wondering and i don't have it in front of me. In terms of the type of pace <hes> <hes> in in these races <hes> race to raise somewhat speed ratings. They've gotten such but <hes> i have personally thought you know we we sorta sometimes people layment especially in new york you know these kind of strolling along turf races no grab and grabbing hold and it seems to me like we've seen a little bit less of that so if you know the the pace is faster <hes> especially at the the great at stakes level <hes> that would contribute to faster times not necessarily better racist but you just if you're still closing and you know twenty two and the front end was faster than the final time has a chance to be faster so i do wonder if tactics play <hes> play a role in the raw times being faster. I think they have have to i mean i used to tell my exercise riders all the time. If you wanna fast workout you have to go the opening eighth fast. You can't go fourteen the opening eighth and expect to go fifty nine and changes ages going to happen right yeah. I think we're seeing that may be <hes>. Just you know some of these races. We're used to the dolan along the fractions and go now like the four star gave especially at a mile. They're they're goin'. I mean there. We're looking at bryant's yeah. All right we got gary from memphis is on the line right now. What's up gary. Hey what's going on my man. Everyone's hey you guys. You do great <hes>. It's nice to give a big a night after night and that you guys are always there but yeah having you do on the show and let you know your selections have really done let me real well only been in horse racing now about five years and <hes> so it's you know how it is. It's it's a tough tough tough business but <hes> have used the poked you before scrape and and <hes> enjoy your analysis on all these picks and stuff like that but i've got to pick myself wanted to give you what you thought of a significant form and racist i mean separation of powers and ray six insignificant forman race eight <hes>. Is this on the way that i like the travers day card. Yes sir yeah. I think the first one you mentioned separation of powers is a horse that i like <hes> he's got good pace and speed figures and comes off a big win looks looks pretty sharp <hes> and then what was the other one <hes> significant form race eight significantly situational play so what did what did you like about him. I don't know it's just the last couple race of the two different <hes> <hes> the way ran the horse last two times. I don't know just gotta pay them choice really wrong. Yeah couple of sprint. Perhaps stretching out in the ball got johnny v. That's not going to hertzian either so certainly has a chance. It's not one of the horses that that i like but but i can't knock your your pick i mean it. Take as you say situational play. Some people like that angle too big a loves the two sprints stretching out angle so i know a lot of bad like tab so i appreciate you and maybe i'll check out that pope g having maybe change their mind. Don't ever change your picks just just adwa. I might might have don't ever take take off the sheet because of what i said. That's not a good situation. Thanks for the call gary. This is judy feld and you're listening to the brisbane dot com colin show. We've got to take a break but we'll be back eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six call us ed's here due to prison dot com colin show thought phone lines are open call now eight nine six six h r r n. That's eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six. 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Call now eight eight eight nine six six h r that's eight eight at eight nine six six four seven seven six welcome back to the the prisoner dot com call in show. This is your host. You fell diamond studio in lexington kentucky and ed derosa from brisbane. It is at home doing the show from there so give us a call eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six and ed. I would be remiss if if i didn't <hes> congratulate you on your wonderful score with <hes> my sister charlie getting the even money. The big said to make sure that i said congratulations to you because he is so i have no idea why but he is so impressed with that situation situation. He talks about it on the air all the time. He just loves the fact that you took advantage of the english bookmakers yeah well. I mean i mean i knew she'd be odds-on i didn't i didn't think one to five <hes> and maybe she ended up two to five but i mean i just think she's he's one of the best in the world certainly not to <hes> enables <hes> level but <hes> you know in that spot she looked tough to beat and you can get even money money and was happy to take it so <hes> yeah the the hardest part about medicine show last week was <hes> not not getting not getting not getting to take about you saved your back so that was that was good but congratulations nice score and and i took care of the big because that was his biggest concern that i might forget to congratulate you but now we got that in tom tom on the line <hes> in del mar someplace. I'd like to be boy. The weather looks great there. How's it going on. It's pretty bad it's kind of seventy eight degrees and sons out like here. It's not not too comfortable actually little hot not for you. The only thing hot hot hot is <hes> my abilities to ask separate questions of both you and i i gotta ask you in light of your favorites even money that i'm gonna ask you a vinyl betty situation. I i the reason i'm losing. Some of them. Lately is i'm throwing the thirty so you just throwing them off the ticket <hes> some sort of criteria you use and like a pick four pick five when we know somebody who's gonna be three to five and two to five and just not worth don't but not not so bad that he would have to throw it out of the way that makes you yeah <hes> i mean my approach and a and i'm working on this because i definitely have found. I feel like bluntly. If if you don't want to single a two to five or one to two or three to five then you really to to me shouldn't be using the horse at all and less you have some other opinion against the favorite elsewhere so <hes> you know if you you like <hes> ten twenty to one or maybe you're against a one to two in one leg than it makes sense that at that point you're just trying the survive. If you beat on one to two in a pick for year you're in good shape regardless of who wins the other legs assuming you're not spending a fortune but if you're in a situation where you think it's a pretty logical sequence and all the contenders are gonna make sense. There's really no reason to go beyond singling in odds-on horse if you like them if you don't you're way better off using two or three against <hes> mm you're just you're betting against yourself. If you're in a situation where your best case scenario is a two one and you also have the odds-on god now that of course means you are going to rip up more tickets but in the long run you really want to give yourself a chance to hit those bats that other other people give themselves no chance to hit by not even being able to spread to those horses and it it takes a while to get us through <hes>. It's hard to lose you. Don't like ripping tickets up but at the same time having the bank roll because you don't get a hit the brakes even and instead. You're live for a few thousand percents. <hes> makes all the difference in the long run so don't let it get you down this if you're betting against odds on horses when you like two or three others you're doing it right so you're gonna be real. Course i know he was the tiny little ham and belmar. Did you work with one day seru. Okay now. I never i never worked <hes> four laura or with laura but her <hes> her husband emmanuel <hes> was was in charge of five oh five farm <hes> when i was the farm manager there so we had some interaction with horses and stuff but but actually are you working for her no she. She worked for charlie for many many years. She was <hes> charlie's angels as they used to. Call him back in the day and you know she's she's a tremendous source woman and she. She's a very good friend but <hes> we. We never worked together. She was i almost was <hes> female. Trainers now charlie's angels they. I was just a little punk kid. Working claim stall dog at the time it was it was a great absolutely fantastic. People and i know what you mean about the euro ex-marine. If he told you something you did it never did it out of spite or meet it. He was just trying to get his point across feels great especially your shirt off and he was in short dog yeah he he loved his del mar house he was he was <hes> he was great on the beach at del mar and my my brother and i when i first started training we were we were living together down in del mar and he'd give us his house to have a barbecue so all all of his exercise girls could could eat good and <hes> we bring a bunch of food and cook on his grill and stuff. He treated us like kings. We we <hes> we love charlie okay so yeah it was it was great. Thanks for the call. Tom so ed you get a lot of questions is about pets is that because of your twitter account or or what do you think that is the mystique about the ed derosa betting strategy <hes> yeah i would say it's because <hes> you know with with twitter you know. One of the things i do is is post my grid which basically compartmentalize is my thoughts into a and b columns and then acts if if they're not listed and sometimes i'll get some ribbing because you know certain race. The is inscrutable to me. I'll have you know maybe four or five as and bs basically using them all and you know people. So what are you actually doing if you use them all and my response to that is a you can pass a race. <hes> you know if you don't have a strong opinion and you have no way of of betting it. There's no value to be extracted based on your handicapping. It's okay to pass and that's sometimes <hes> <hes> you know with the grid conveys <hes> and then the other thing. Is you know i try to remind people and and you know it's fun to make ticks and when i'm on tv we pick cohorts every race and everyone wants to know you think when the travers and the derby racist like that but really it's. It's a probability exercise. <hes> one hundred percent of the time a horse is gonna win and within each race detour says a certain percentage chance that adds up to one hundred and the grid just kind of helps me think okay. Hey these are the logical favorites. These are. Maybe some long shots. I like a little bit and when the race comes up maybe an eight horses fifteen to one and that's my play. Maybe maybe horses fifty to one and you know i take a flyer. They're similar to the way we went into the break and the caller said oh you know i i look at your picks and sometimes sometimes i changed this and that and i think you hit the nail on the head. Neither you nor i are putting our kicks out there. Because we want to change people's minds. We want to give them information. What we saw why we like a certain horse and maybe we're both against the favorite and in that case use both hey ads against the favor the two of us his pick and i have my pick. Maybe you love the favourite ni- don't and that makes you think well. Maybe this is a pass race or maybe it four to five this horses. This isn't as good as i thought who has to one on the line. So that's the type of value. I'm trying to to bring with the the the twitter style of as and bs. It's cool cool very very cool. We got pete from long island on the line. What what are you doing. Pete hi judy. How are you good. How are you hey p. I <hes> hi how are you. I'm just wondering what <hes> anthony's off orange hope. Everything's alright he's fine. He's he's just doing some glad-handing at <hes> the b._c._c. a charity event tonight. They ask him to do a little <hes> m c._n._n. Stuffing so the the event started at six thirty so he needed to get a get a jump on it from from saratoga so he asked me if i'd fill in. I just happened to be free this evening. So i said sure i would love to feel <laughter>. Okay thanks fantastic. I love the show you know that i could always try to call him but here's my question i'm curious. If you guys both the question for both of you guys if you had to take one haunts in key on him and travis who would you use does i did that got into belmont and then i wheeled in the third position and i took like four is back and forth to the first and second physician with the with the key you know and <hes> you guys tell me who would you think as the best shots hit that ford in the you know the money was it's <hes> h position all right. Let's say you're betting a triple so so you want you want just a key key horse right for us. Yeah okay all right. Thanks thanks for the call pete and <hes> ed. Who's your key horsing the travel. Yeah i guess mutuel gustavo. Oh <hes> six to one on the line i do think he has a slightly better chance of winning and i like the figures to be most forwardly placed along with tax acts of of the logical and i do like a little better than tax so <hes> i would say he's. He's my key for me. <hes> i'm gonna go with breath code of honor my my <hes> spice. Tell me he's training like a freak so i'm gonna i'm gonna go with shug one of my default trainers anyway anyway and code of honors horse. I've liked from the first time. I saw him run so i'm i'm a loyalist stick with him so so you brought something up and i want to touch on just a second before we go to break but you mentioned passing races. It's okay to pass right. I mean there's a lot of people that i know. They don't think it's okay to pass the race and i i'm. I'm constantly passing. I'm looking for ways not to bet on a race not not not ways to bet strike. Now that that really i'm i mean i it's it's negative. I mean sometimes times. We celebrate it because it's fun to for people to know you like action and to gamble but it's a big leak in my game <hes> and and it needs to to get better and hopefully i'm. I'm getting there but yeah i mean passing a races is essential and and i think one of the pitfalls of the having to make pick mentality is feeling like you it's ride or die with whoever your pick is and sometimes they get over bet and there are a bad bet and you still stick with them <hes> and other times you you get tunnel vision or so focused on them. You miss a horse going off. Let's say twenty two one that you thought had some chance. I mean not that you thought they were the most likely winner but there's i mean we've brown the track enough. It happens countless times you whore speech and you're like i can't believe that horse pay twenty dollars and you were sort of against them when you thought maybe they'd pay eight dollars and and those are the opportunities you miss when you're just so heck bent on playing a certain horse no matter what so <hes> passing the racist sort of the next step from from that is saying none of this is value and there's just going to be better opportunities with my bankroll. No matter who we are just jackson or guy stupid for tickets. Everyone has a finite bankroll and if you make bad bats consistently. It's going to be gone no question about it all right. You're listening thing to the prison that dot com colin show. <hes> don't forget the phone number eight eight eight nine six four seven seven six. We only got fifteen minutes left so if something's burning a hole in your mind just give us a call. We'll be back after these words. 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The travers live this saturday starting at three pm on sirius x._m. One one fifty six or stream it live on your home for all racing's biggest events that horse racing radio dot net. I am kayla stra and you're listening to the horse racing radio network. This is the prisoner dot com joe. The phone lines are open. Call call now eight eight eight nine six h._r. That's eight eight eight nine six six four seven seven six yeah welcome back to the prisoners dot com call in show. This is jim feld. I'm joined by ed derosa and we've. He's got jim in delaware waiting to ask us a question. What's up jim. Hello gentlemen how you doing good bluetooth. It is a communicate alright yeah. You're not sure how it goes of one of the kudos. He said sister county being a week later. He's getting even money twin spires what they did with the late in the time before this give you two to one. That was a generous thing where you get ten dollars dollar dog all night. That's twenty dogs that was that was a good value there and watching that his head is i thought it was through the stretch rush. I never saw frankie dettori. Go to the whip. I'm not watching it three or four times. I could never seen pick up the stick all hands and heels and he's at thou yeah that was really some seat and testing a hard question what they asked you when you're talking about <hes> has races or there's no value in the race and i hear your show off your cost everybody off. Do you have is that just looking at the form and figuring the pace of the race or whatever or do you have automatic tosses. Ed mentioned something about this before like automatic plays an automatic toss when your handicap race. You just sake starts. Horses off are you. Are you asking we need a question. Okay well for me. I i have a handicap. I have certain criteria that a horse i have to meet or or i don't consider them. A viable bet that doesn't mean i won't bet on them but but as i'm handicapping the there would be certain elimination factors that that i just don't need to bet on horses that don't win haven't run well recently. That aren't fast asked enough to win. So those are kind of like my my automatic tosses. I mean they do serve bread. I haven't run a good race in in the last two or three. Yeah i mean anymore. That hasn't been running well in their last two or three starts. I actually like three starts or more. It's a it's a bad add vet. I mean they they are percentage wise <hes> so you know i try to avoid those plays and what about you. What what what do you do when you start out yeah for for me. It's so price dependent <hes> but you know the the race always goes through the favourite who i think the favourite will be and <hes> i'm definitely looking for reasons to oppose the favorite <hes> you know we're talking about an old for fifty one for one hundred trainer jockey gee <hes> that's a horse. I'm looking to cross out if they're going to take money but on the other hand and <hes> mike my good friend and colleague scott shapiro likes to rib me about this if i'm getting six or eight to one on lifetime maiden whose numbers absolutely fit with the group outplay those percentages so you know there's no cutter dry for me. You know in terms of oh for pace dynamics but you know when something really sticks sticks out to me and the horse is going to take money. That's when i'm looking to get out the red pen so does that answer your question jim. We'll look question and i don't know if this why the sticks in my mind. I could be totally wrong. When <hes> hersey fires last race boy i heard a few comments like well. You know mark him down because he was in a bad part attract the hallway or something. It was really something negative feedback on his trip trip you if i'm just imagine i heard that or is that a fact you might have heard it from somebody. I don't know what the attraction of forensic fire stories. I mean last last few races. Everybody's been picking him and he hasn't been running all that great so i i yeah i mean i i. He's a nice horse and he's wanna race at saratoga. He's has a winning a third in four starts but i mean people were in love with him because he was running saratoga token. I didn't think that was all that great anyway. <hes> we appreciate your call and hopefully you'll handicap tough the next time so i think with friends fire part of the attraction is he's been in a race with. Let's say a totally and you know people know that mentally is gonna attract a lot of money so they kinda see an option that they know they're going to get a certain price but i'm kind of with you i and i'm among those who have fallen form at least underneath and at this point. It's just kinda like well. Where's the beef is a good way to put it yeah i. I don't know how horses get fan favorites incredible and so. It's a it's a little bit little bit crazy. I think we have one one more caller while the answers added it is one of those things do that really makes me wish that we could figure out to get this game to the next level because i mean those are unquestionably. Some of the best opportunities is a better <hes> to find those horses like that and play against against them and obviously sometimes they win but in the long run it apparent mutual game they just get over that yeah. There's no question about it. We we could do a whole show on that <hes> rod in bethlehem pennsylvania. I take it i i just real quick. I know we're running late. I agree with that about <hes> ah gustav but i think the law is. I made an impartial because i catch the tickets. Let's <hes> west coast. <hes> a few years back didn't look like much pace. Listen mike put him on the lead and the rest was history. Judge just wanted to take would actually it's about that. Yeah i wish when i was a handicap in <hes> the the rate or looking closely at the pace and liking nutro gustavo actually had the thought that wouldn't mind minded seeing seeing mike oneman. I'm in that's not at all. Men is slated joe. I would've felt that way no matter who was on them <hes> but you know the front end or close to it. I i think definitely a an easier trip to work out especially with the horse who may be has some distance questions as jude alluded to earlier so <hes> i think this race sir he's gonna get a mile and a quarter probably much better chance of it here in the travers against older later in the year and the breeders cup classic so now this is the time on planet my flag with them there you go. Thanks rod so ed. You got some specials or anything you wanna talk about. What about the travers any products. You guys are real excited about. What's going on in prison. Breath net dot com slash. Saratoga has everything you need us off. You just go there. You'll see all our products personnel dot com slash saratoga. We have <hes> workout report will be up from bruno gus alonzo with the spotlight light selections on we have super screener for mike shoddy in the the boys at a horse racing nation so definitely a kitchen sink treatment and one of the biggest azazel racing of the year certainly of the summer and brisk net dot com slash saratoga is the place to get all that and looking ahead to next week kentucky downs opens ends and we're gonna have a special <hes> basically all you can eat buffet style. <hes> one price and you get the whole me any report we do for it so make sure you check that out next week but won't put the cart before the horse bursts net dot com slash saratoga this week yeah. It's going to be a great day racing in everybody's been looking forward. Take the whole meet looks like it's going to be a nice weather weekend big as almost guaranteed. It hasn't quite gone over the line but he he says it's going. It'll be beautiful two days saturday and sunday so hopefully we can get some stuff done. Our man scully's up. They're entertaining the troops. Yes we sent sent the a team and i know he's doing a seminar with travis stone so <hes> that'll be forget if that's tomorrow or saturday morning but plenty of handicapping discussion all week in saratoga for sure. That's a couple of sharp guys. You send up there. That's that's pretty cool. How'd you arrange that are they. Are they going. It'll be on track or they're gonna be somewhere else yeah. There's a gosh i forget where he is but one of the restaurant <hes> social gathering authoring places <hes> near the track one of the mornings and travis is there most of the summer anyway so james has had to get him to wake up a little earlier than he was planning yeah. James is up there and plenty of good coverage travers day and plenty good insight for those in the area. Check him out. That's really cool. And what are you up to. What's what's going on with you. Churchill downs and all the stuff. You do yeah looking forward to the next month. We're going to be joining joe everyday going to do a lot more with the on site interviews and things of that nature so looking forward to being a part of the team every day <hes> never really handicapped every dave of churchill meat so <hes> definitely looking forward to that and being very active on social media with it and getting people excited about playing the racism kentucky yeah. It's it's going to be an exciting time. <hes> you know you've got <hes> kentucky downs. He got churchill danny at keeneland and then you get the breeders cup so <hes> everybody's gonna be in full swing from here on in strapped in yeah and the browns are good and the browns are very good yeah. That's gonna be exciting all my all my friends that are browns fans there at a fever pitch i. I hope i really do hope. They're successful this year because so many people are are so high on them. It's it's really cool hopes her up for sure yeah every everybody's wearing their brown skier in town here in lexington which cracks me up usually they keep it hidden. They were jacket over it but <hes> so anyway <hes>. This is the prison that colin show thanks to add. Thanks for sticking with me tonight ed and everybody out there. Good luck at the traverse. We hope to cash big tickets. Let's make one life changing score amongst all of us. At least somebody's gonna get lucky. Talk to you soon.

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Part 1: Pete Fornatele, Dick Powell

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Part 1: Pete Fornatele, Dick Powell

"This is stupid very good Thursday race fans series two thousand nine. Am to one sports on nights. Sixty four if you're listening to Sirius. Xm Online and at our website as well the DOT com. And I hate. I hate to start on a on a really sad note. Okay but I think we think we're obliged that we have to brings out that story that came to a very sad conclusion in New York. I heard over the weekend That one Sarah who has worked for Toby Sheets and the Steve Asmussen Barn furred heard the last several years an extensive period as an exercise rider and as a kind of a that of a form and an assistant for Toby and on Friday they fell from a horse that was was galloping and was is in was in dire shape right away and passed on Monday and the word started to spread yesterday and Tuesday and yesterday the I talked to the exchange. Some notes with With toby who I have an open mic firm for toby to share his his thoughts Basically you know toby sheets has got full autonomy New York year round With the Asmussen Barn and does a tremendous job. And the he you know he said this morning that just is pretty devastated And maybe down the road. He'll come say a few things but Toby and Umberto Chavez and everybody in New York let that new viscera just Just talk about how sweet and generous interests and kind of the Sarah was leaves. A wife and three children and a couple of grandchildren take his brother who works in Kentucky started a Gofundme me and overnight a five thousand dollar donation of nonethless donation and lots of others. I mean literally in twenty four hours. They they'd only set an eight thousand dozen dollar goal but that was smashed in less than twenty four hours. His whole family brother got another brother. Dave Greenwich reported About that works for the Romans up in Chester town so very very difficult. And you know I'm thinking about it. The Barn Gosh this goes back this must go back ten twelve years. And I'M GONNA I'm GonNa Forget. Oh my God former jockey and exercise rider very similar situation and that happened at Saratoga and I mean the the speculation is that that the Sarah was stricken as he rode. Did you know to fall off. It's not like the horse was working just galloping and what's it doesn't matter now but never regained consciousness. It's we talk about the horses and and John Nichols. Thank you John Parker Buckley is who I was thinking of that You know it was a good writer and Then later was exercise writing an E. Same thing had had a it seems had a stroke or an aneurysm and it really oddly similar so bear feel terrible and We'll send out the link to the fundraiser. And send our sympathies in thoughts to toby and everybody in the Asmussen camp and really everybody on on the backstretch in New York and they'll Umberto Chavez told Dave granite will be a a service in New York. It's been a on the human front as as if as if we don't anguish enough just on so many levels when it comes to you know horses and and the dangers associated. I'll talk to Tony later. Actually bring it up with him but you know whether on the race track or away from it untimely passing and one thing that we didn't get a chance last week in the wake of Breeders Cup to discuss Was the Ben Mason from the Thurber Daily News thirty one who saw another. You WanNa talk on timely. I mean God thirty one and doing some nice things sue Finlay and the staff. TBN or they have a really lovely idea involving new vocations and A A dedicated stall in in Ben's memory so thoughts in that direction as well. There's actually is it. I've got others just wanted to get those to win so Narran try to. It's it's very hard. The writers there's on average two riders a year. And and and when I say writers you think of jockeys but it also counts for the exercise writers and I think this is this is at least. It's the second in New York and there's been there's been others is it has been a dangerous and rough year on that front but on the jockey side to they count since World War Two. They started to count and keep track. An average of two writers year will be killed and With all the focus too on the horses. Remember that the jocks Sir facing staring down injury and and paralysis and death at all times. Try to turn to some cheerier topics. This is semi well. This should this is actually upbeat in interesting way. Ah over the last couple of days the discussions that we've had about and I brought it up yesterday with him laden the the way in which the industry has responded when there's been something that is viewed in some cases cases as crisis or in other cases just as incidental and something. You know that that needs to be addressed. Well the the West Virginia Dead Horse at at the landfill incident which ultimately came to be looked at as you know a series of mishaps but also you know a negative publicity opportunity for the people who relish those opportunities? There's a very positive live response. That is going to come out of this. And the West Virginia racing using commission on Tuesday said they are going to add a medical review board for Charleston and mountaineer and they plan to include the crap series. And you know have a very current and to the moment approach which has been which has been lacking and if you're looking for a positive out of a yeah situation that was you know was immediately used to try to embarrass the industry. Here's here's the positive that you know came out of of that incident They're going to actively adopt the mid Atlantic strategic plan. You know this is something that we talked about with with Alan Foreman. And and all the members in the mid Atlantic and up to New York to of course and I went to that organizational meeting when this was introduced at Delaware and again I you know I brought this up now the other day as you know as another example you know the the the people that are so eager to say that. There's no oh. Coherent approach in the industry is parallel. Those are just people spouting off. They're they're not people that are actually following the internal mechanics of industry response. A- and the mid Atlantic strategic plan to reduce fatalities has a very specific diffic- measures and approaches and it's being adopted already utilized West so the the addition of the crop sees a big positive so again like I said with with Tim Leighton yesterday day and later with said the industry has made more progress in a short span got a time than in all of its previous history and you know the the critics can the attack as much as they want but the best response to that is the specifics of what's been mm-hmm advanced than what's been achieved and you know in every jurisdiction is fast enough. Is the system perfect perfect for the implementation of widespread change. No it's not perfect at all and for those who then and turn around and scream Oh you Sada oh you sided. That's going to stop. It's not going to solve anything. It doesn't solve anything. It doesn't address ninety percent of the things that people are arguing about on a daily basis. It's got nothing to do for those that that are screaming streaming federal legislation. Why don't you go read? What what it is and then check back and and also make sure you figure out how they're going to pay for it because because they're gonNA they're gonna add a layer takeout that that's what they're going to do? They're not saying that now but that's what they're gonNA do they. They took that they took that provision the earlier editions of of that bill it it said specifically that takeout increases could not be implemented to to pay for the plant. They took that Out in the latest so that that tells you all you need to know they they're gonNA make course players pay for it. FYI But that was good for West Virginia responding. Even though they were sort of you know they were hoodwinked on on on that whole photo op yesterday at the at the sale. Lot of raising prospects changed hands. Seth Clarkson bought the back button. Pretty much bought out partner Bill Lawrence on most of those lawrence courses like Annals annals at time and built a suit some others around went elsewhere focus group but when elsewhere frontier on tier market as well the top seller was. New York's central the nice the Maryland Sprint winner. Twitter forty thousand heat. That's this Khalid Mishref again. This is going to Saudi Arabia. Let's take a timeout came out. We've got Dick and Pete in the first hour. Stay with US using the apple with feedback on Sirius. XM Radio Hey. What's going on Mike here and I'm going to tell you about an offer from my good friends at express but let's be honest? We know you love playing playing the race. But you can't always make detract. Sometimes life just gets away of a good bet. Well what if I told you about a place we never miss it. Bet and you start with the house money. It say I'm crazy. Right will not express your first hundred dollars. Iran them sign up would express bet dot com. 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So by the appoint time of parents bust in the morning. He was gone and that that thing that the complete chaos because I had a carefully time morning to the minute including an the appearance I allowed. You know ninety minutes for my trip to the Department of buildings that ended up being a cop s experience but I did. It did come out on the other side of would have been able to report for duty at eleven but then I understand your schedule Understandably with all the good stuff you had going on got behind so we rescheduled for today. Lot Calmer now in the bunker have the workout in getting ready to do some recording today and and all systems are well. Then let's dive in and of course the in most interesting post Breeders Cup topic for for players. Ears is the log of the bets from the Breeders Cup betting challenge and I say players. Pete are are incredibly impatient because last year I think it took about maybe seventeen days or three weeks before we saw the place hear like forty five minutes after the after Saturday night people were like. Where's contests plays I? I you know I mean I had a couple of like. What are they hiding? Nobody's hiding anything. Come believable bigger fish to FRY happen. Give give us a few days. They're they're here now and I'll tell you what you could. I mean I've barely scratched the surface and I feel like I've already found some really interesting interesting talking points. None more important to me than and the winner Brad Anderson when you look at his two entries in the Post interview with different focused on on the winning entry. We didn't talk as much about the fact that he had a second entry and he goes into this and a little bit of detail telling the interview I did over to in the money. PODCAST DOT com earlier in the week but he had a second entry. That in doubles was alive at three the other content longer price contenders in the classic. So I wonder if in the history of the breeders betting challenge. Anybody held a stronger hand going into the classic where he was going to cash for one twenty clocks on four different horses it was just masterfully played and I thought I should look but I did see some people on twitter after the interview saying you know shame it went to this to this rookie. You know this is a concept should in a reward nonsense. I mean this guy played at like a pro. I love the fact that we have somebody who comp- this is more of a of an amateur and just shows she was one of the great things about contests that you can be somebody who plays. He's played in only a handful contests in their in their life. If you approach this with a studious mindset and you have the gambling you to push it all in. You could beat the best players in the world that Fred Anderson did then I think his plays i. If you WANNA look at some place I'd start with. I just think he was a clinic in how to not risk ask me. He took Ritz but he didn't take any more risks than he had to take. He had a cohesive strategy executed to perfection. And now that we've seen the place. It was even better than what I thought when I when I talked him. Originally definitely one of the great stories to to come out of their Another one people have brought to soften the low talk about this guy given our history but it is interesting and I. I don't mean to knock him but I just think it's interesting to see that when I found these Songa Bay playing for a million dollars bonus I saw that he ended up with forty thousand. Maybe it's random the part of what he wanted to hit laugh bracing ended up racist even though he had one of the great expected affected value off. But he's of all time with forty thousand Tabet into the classic with a million on the line elected to keep his hands in his pocket. No idea what was going on there. I won't be asking him but maybe somebody else who's in his social circles and trying to figure out what's going on there. They're sure to be a story. As far as that goes the other big headline I have is just looking through you know. I haven't been all the place but looking at a representative sample of the place. It still amazes me year in year. Route how few people have a chance to win with the way that they approach it now. I'm not judging. That might be because they won their way in and they figure. Hey I'm gonna go ahead and play just like I was GONNA play anyway. Hey if I get up into the lower rungs of the price fool getting any. TC that's great but it really with as much money as at the top in this context with now over a million dollars on the line And we did see. I did see some wiseguy advantage. Pitch player types. Who I'm not used to seeing in context I did see them participating in this event and I think we're gonNA see more of that in the future this is this isn't just a great handicapping handicapping contents opportunity to me? This is great gambling opportunity. I think people in the gambling world. Who don't even know horses but understands tournament strategy people from the Poker World Sports bettors? They should all be playing in. This context the value is incredible. I truly believe it has a positive expectation station opportunities. If you're willing to push it all in Strategically throughout the course of the event it remains one of the most interesting contests out there. And you can just you can learn so much. We're going to do a whole show next week. I think we're going to have a couple of conscious players onto some points that they wanna talk about about the place but there's so much to be learned going over these place Steve. I think we should definitely spent. I've only scratched the surface and I feel like those are pretty good talking points. I feel like there's a a lot more on this phone for over the winter. Well and you talked about keeping keeping the hands in the pocket or the money in the pocket you know one of the one one of the interesting points for analysis was was Dick Girardi. Dick had the the big hit with bricks and mortar over over united. And he had you know the two thousand dollar exact essentially that brought back a hundred and thirty seven thousand and it had him sitting in a in a terrific spot going into the nightcap and he did not that the nightcap and he basically I think was I. I haven't reached out. I really should get thick in and and see what his thoughts are because you know he had satisfied died. An and that's a question too in terms of the structure of how many bets to make on Friday and you know the minimum amount of bats. That's the make on Saturday and then the per race bad If you know once you've satisfied that you know that set standards. What do you do? I mean at that. Point addict could could have gone. Could've gone in further orb had satisfied the conditions. I feel like he two choices. One with Julie Dead. That was a good good total. That was winning total Into top time to put that number up there. Because you've got all those people behind you. So many people from second down to fortieth with money on their bankroll who for whom the correct move is to shoot for him but the reality is a lot of people are gonNA shoot for the top. They're gonNA book and say. Hey well if I get two hundred I can win a an extra hundred thousand prize pool. That's enough so I think the thought process process was take the chance that there's only going to be a handful of people shooting for that new high winning total winning type total and Hope to to basically get away with it the other thing I've seen people do in that situation. Clint jeopardy and take basically subtract subtract the second player's total from their cheap. A few dollars on the bankroll and then that that little bit of money trying to top up and move the goalposts coast but it probably comes down to what your opinion is in the right to. I mean if he didn't have an opinion in the rate I feel like you pro- and it was thought it was an open rain which I think a a lot of you know the the certainly reasonable supposition You do what he did. And and you know what it's not so bad to end up where he ended up still cut a wide swath price but I would love to hear the specific thinking and obviously he's a great gift to have on anyway so I'll definitely be listening listening in when when it comes on at the races. You look also at runner-up Bill Chen Vert and his trifecta play at the at in the classic He just he just demolished it and he the central essentially. You could have really done anything at that point. I mean I it. Strictly came came down to how the how the payout resulted. Because he had a Rosso over Mckenzie over Higher Power Mongolian groom and Code of honor and he just and he just kept banging that one twenty times. It was interesting there were there. We're a bunch of entries with the last name Chen Ver. I think I'm not sure which of the Shamburg was that. Ended up qualifying for the tournament multiple times and the rules rules. Allow you transfer those entries to whomever you want. As long as they're not played one entry over the At the expense of the others. But you can see see. There were a lot if you look at all the entries in the classic it did seem like and again i. I don't think this is clearly not against the rules. This was all audited and and And and pass muster but it did seem like the you are allowed to speak strategy before the tournaments begin. Long as you're not you colluding with the actual place and it did seem like the Chamber clan strategy was to to Try to crush the try in. The last preserve bankroll crushed. Try and last week and if you look at those other entries there's other Interational some with the same number some with with different numbers Trying to hit that try in the classic and gender wins the hoping if that if that entry had made all of its minimums wins the whole thing and it's you know it's a very controversial. You know in the old days of the Breeders Cup betting challenge. You weren't allowed to make a mistake like that. You got accused in the of course. That rule was the one that was manipulated by our friends. A couple of years ago With Nissan Cabezas victory at del Mar.. But but when they fix the rules to to make it so that you actually had the bet in the betting challenge they did leave a provides though for people who miss a wager so instead of the chamber entry that ran second being cute and only getting the money on the bankroll no prize pool. They adopted ten thousand from the total. That's what put Brad Anderson to the lead. It's fascinating and you know folks can debate from here. The cows come home what when it should be but nowadays the rules are clear for everybody everybody. Has that opportunity. IT WASN'T A. There's no reason you do that strategically to lose ten thousand it was. I think clearly just a mess up in an extremely costly one but they won't be crying too much and still It's still impressive. practive impressive haul of extra whatever. It is one hundred twenty five thousand or something so they won't be I won't we won't break out the world's smallest violin just yet. Well what's amazing. Is that they. That bills entry missed the place that they could have bet was the turf and you talk about bankroll preservation. Basically we build this entry. was betting six hundred dollars The you know the minimum amount you know leading up and you may have just either somehow lost count of of the racism. Six hundred an extra six hundred would not have been a devastating amount to have gone ahead hadn't met They they would have missed what the that would've taken away. Four of their wagers so well it would've taken forty thousand. I mean if if they were trying to balance and I'm curious I'm now I'm GONNA WE'RE GONNA have to find out whether this was a a balanced idea because because they lost ten thousand but the extra six hundred that they had to bed. I mean if you assume that you know they. They poured everything into the try into. Fifty dollar tries one by one by three and so they basically by having that six hundred on hand they were able to pull in an extra forty thousand. Then that you know what I mean ah the. I'm I'm very curious about this now. We're going to have to find out because people are saying oh would cost them everything well although although you would think you take six hundred and you bet I don't know three hundred win place on breaks and and you know you pretty. You assured I at least th- The my approach was the money right. I mean considering what they were doing they had that. That's an exact as most most of these actors with the six hundred Yeah there's ways of preserving bankroll even a show back. I don't think it was a strategy. I think if they just this good point yeah with with without that six hundred they might have had to make or He might have to make a tough decision I I. I'm not suggesting. They played as a team. I don't think they did you know I. I'm guessing this was a case of people who handicapped together put away drenched. How collective wagering strategy essentially But what you know somewhere along the lines somebody lockout is my best guess. But I'm sure I contacted so yeah we'll find out. Well he's a friend Visa Louisiana the Louisiana base that I saw were Vasicek Had A couple of notes about about Shan. So we'll yeah we'll we'll we'll dig into that. I also saw where you would addressed some. There's some conceptual discussion about trying trying again to minimize the the heavy handed element of the treading water until until the end and what. What kind of what concepts are are are being kicked around on that that by change? I think I think the Breeders Cup any challenge. I don't have a problem with I think. For what the contest is it works and you know the the paradigm of preserve I mean I feel like it's the paradigm adjusted. It's no longer preserving going at the end. It's much more like what what Brad Anderson did this year which is preserved till you find your spot to make your first move. It's a three prong preserve bankroll make the first move to take really get enough so you have powder so to fire in the last couple of race it's more. It's a little more sophisticated than what I think. We were seeing maybe in the early years of the tournament ornament. I think that may be what tournament is that said. Is there another evolution for another type of tournament that might provide this Something that would work for example in a TV format. And I do believe there is a way to create a new handicap contest format. Not Unlike the one that we did with the TV show the world's worst player to our concept which is people do ask from time to time and it is it is alive and well things just moved very slowly in horse racing. Think but the idea of having some sort of final table where we can have a dynamic more like poker tournament where we could watch that drama. Play out on a youtube channel or as part of a horse racing broadcasts that I might give us a chance to appeal to the sports betting crowd to the poker crowd and bring some of these people from outside the gambling world in. That's one idea. The idea is to just dramatically increase. What has nice to be back? And I don't think that would be super comfortable for players. I feel like they're in a pretty good spot right now in terms of comfort of the a larger audience of what you have to win but the other way to make these contests considerably less Back has he would be if you wanted to create a format where you just had a lot more money a lot sooner and do a lot more to earn your rights to get the day to to get to the middle of day two. You were the end of day two before you could make those pushes in so a cut line might do that or just Seriously increased a minimum wage but look. I'm just brainstorming about other. I like the idea that there's a lot of different formats. I don't think there's anything wrong with the current Breeders Cup format. I think. That's where by opinion. The things I was saying on twitter differed some folks were complaining about it in a much more way like it was a problem. I don't think the problem I just think it's interesting to explore other right years particularly with the long term goal of maybe finding a format of this. That's going to really work on video because I think that could really help racing as an overall marketing it Obviously you're not going to you you can't you can't go unscathed winter when it comes to pleasing everybody on these fronts but it it it certainly from a From a numbers standpoint. I know from talking to Tim. Schram this this was the best results yet. Yeah the most players the most churn You know just The the numbers were at all time high and it obviously helps contribute to what was what was a strong handle cop in light of some some numbers from in terms of horse horse headcount and number of betting interests interests that were that were lower so especially in the I guess the classic it was a matter of it was a matter of real interesting real a real question of of how opened the race. was you know it's it's it's one of those situations where you go. You look back and say well the two horses that absolutely made the most sense to run one to rent one too and that that that that's certainly easy afterward. I was one of the many people who wouldn't have been surprised the prize. If something crazy it happened you know it's so easy with With hindsight it's so easy to make it make life so much simpler than that. It actually is but the betting the numbers were tremendous. I think it was three point. One million and that's just gotTa remember that in the context of the content so those same players were betting that money accounted for whatever it was seventeen percent of the of the contract wagering handle when you think about the money that they bet in horizontal outside the contest or verticals. Whatever they did outside the contest you think about guests that they brought? That might have been betting. I think you can safely say the Breeders Cup. Betting Challenge is responsible for twenty five percent of the on-track handle an insane number and I think people need to take a look look across the country. I mean there are plenty of life bankroll contests out there now but I still think there's room for Dr Grothe on this room for places. There's a few key spots on the calendar that I feel like could be filled in with other events to to start making this. It's a little bit more like a proper Michael. Tour that culminates with the Breeders Cup betting challenges when it comes you see the amount of money bat in the stories that come out of it. I mean I get I I. There's some tweaks I'd probably if it was if it was just as left entirely up to me but I also get the idea after a year like this after they solve some of the problems or all all of the problems from a couple of years ago. That if they want to say at this point if it ain't broke don't fix it but the the Breeders Cup they're all they're they're typically doing a good job on the content side. I days of looking forward and trying to continue to make this better And I wouldn't be. I wouldn't be surprised if we see the exact same thing next year but they wanted to make some tweaks. I'd certainly be happy to chat with them and offer you opinions on on how to do that. But it can't argue with the money From the financial well one thing that We invite. We'll send out the link Agai- Pete and I sent it and it's been circulated but we'll do another one and one of the things you'll note is really the reinforcing of the the MOTIF that it only takes one or two opinions that fall into place to make your cup and obviously when when guys are betting thousand dollar exact is in two thousand dollars doubles and whatever you know. It's magnified Lop Off. Zeros to whatever appropriate level you're playing and and understand and and it really it really really reinforces that message. I mean there's the vast majority of the top finishers had one really big big score generally and maybe one or two reinforcing. Its lots right and you can see even now i. I was arguing with a Tommy Mathis about this In Texas yesterday hard to believe you know well this day and age. You can't just make playing the last couple of races. You know the result nope otherwise you're tribeca player and you can just preserve bankroll and you can brush one of the last two races. You know you you might not win but you can get yourself a six figure. Chunk of prideful. Is that the best strategy in two thousand nineteen. I don't think so but it can still work you really the Breeders Cup betting challenge to me another thing. We're GONNA play really does go to show. It only takes one. I think in this day and age. If you WANNA win it probably takes two or three but it really. If your risk tolerance is high and you're you're a somebody who's used the plane tribeca you can be right one time in absolutely crushed so it's It's just a great opportunity for horse players though I still even though as great as the numbers are four hundred fifty mantra. I mean there should be thousand quarter long concert. It's just a fantastic opportunity if you like playing the horses and you're like well In in in another one of the things that we talk about the fact that you can win money on other days beside breeders Breeders Cup weekend how about Mark Streep for mission Viejo. Who won the del Mar Fall? Challenge over the weekend and and in fact Back to back wins in the fall. Challenge for street. Yeah I mean it's really quite something And Actually Mike Rosenthal from Vegas He had a nice Good second in here. Not Six seven hundred dollars behind But but twenty-five thousand in cash and street also had hit for eighteen thousand seven. Oh five that was the bankroll so forty three thousand and change there and and then a BBC for next year worth ten thousand and Aw Rosenthal comes off with eight thousand dollar entry for next. Summer's Del Mar Challenge Plus he made ten grand so really the some nice returns in the in the first of the del Mar winter season the Bing Bing crosby season challenges challenges stripe as a player worth causing on one of the most underrated live bankroll players of all time. He's one Santa Anita Tournament. He's obviously one of these delmar tournaments. NHCD tour winner. So he's versatile he's he's quiet and soft spoken. He does not like these that with an interview for him. But but you could tell. He wasn't comfortable. I never have properly written about him. I'd love to change. That someday is obviously just a very talented player known for or a chip and a chair mentality kind of guy who can be down to two very little money and find his way back all the way to the top haven't seen exactly what his path to victory was but I haven't seen in his name on the leaderboard. I assume he clobbered the last race to get the victory. And then yeah looking at this leaderboard. A bunch of notable names in the top five Don Chung ran fifty a former winner of the Woodbine Mile Kaka contests that I think people really need to put on. Their radars. Greet time to be in Toronto in in the fall. And that's a great event that I feel like we need to get even more. USA participation in Brandon Moran. He coming off a big hit in the breeders. Ebbing challenge back right up there. And then you mentioned Mike Rosenthal who was second and Roger. And then Roger Mcdowell who was third to those aforementioned like Vegas Wiseguy. Hi Advantage player types who I noticed the I think they were playing they were. They were in the context of the caucus rooms anyway at the Breeders Cup Challenge and good to see busy people with that that sorta gambling mentality getting involved in these in these contests and showing thinking perform at a high level as they did at del Mar but the real story marked stripe getting it done yet. Again at the del Mar fall handicapping challenge. Just just a great great live bankroll player one. Who's I think his publicity shyness as maybe part of the reason he's underrated but I still? I know the quality of malaria and try to even though I haven't talked to him very much trying to trumpet his achievements and Skill L.. Every chance I get well this weekend as we turn our attention now really In the wake of BBC we start to fill out the November December and into January opportunities for everybody to get their last Lixin for NHCD Eh and this weekend acqueduct. You got the acqueduct challenge on Saturday. Five hundred dollar buying two entries Max for everybody There'll be two seats awarded on Saturday and registration today. Get the registration in today. Five o'clock deadline and that's I think that's the only is that the only I think that's the only only on site this weekend. Maybe Hawthorne with a one seater on Sunday. If I'm not mistaken I ah yeah absolutely Hawthorn club off thorn the OT fall tournament number. Three at OAKBROOK and one seat on Sundays. Correct So Chicago land. And then there's another Hawthorne in I think Thanksgiving yes right yes on the. That's the big one there with six seats on the thirtieth so people will be spending. I think from all over the country. That's that's a famous the TAMRA challenge. That's the that's the Tammaro thanksgiving Turkey that he'd be making it this year. I don't know I don't know well. The idea of Vegas without without nick slept not not pleasing no mom also on the thirtieth with two as well to Adrift Dollar Qualifier at Mamba Two seats and the rest is plenty of things that were stories. Dot Com and horse Blair's Dot Com as well Pete. I appreciated by the way I saw where had a nice conversation with Steve with Steve Chris Clough Great. Oh they were terrific. 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AC in September and we're concerned I brought it up at the time Some of this unrest and now a second card at at at Happy Valley scuttled What what What are you hearing? What's concerning was? I was reading the South China morning. Post and it wasn't just protests on the main island in Hong Kong. Actually been over at the university. Let's see China shot ten which is a mile from the shots and rates truck. So I was on something that Happy Valley would bear the brunt of any repercussions from the social unrest. That's going on over there but this was also when they to shot tim which I thought would be a little bit isolated geographically where it's located but I was kind of really concerning to me because the international international rates in December rate shot in this week so tree group two races shots in. Oh it seems to be spreading. Yeah well we'll just react as things unfold. How Eh and now I'm just I'm having trouble remembering how they how they redistributed? Th The card heard that had been previously cancelled at Happy Valley whether any any fixtures that needed to to be rescheduled but In the meantime we'll look ahead to the weekend and and shut-ins action. Well we never last shot ten eight turf to all-weather and Zach pertinent one three and he's from the trainer one two so we had a sixty five. The one shot twenty seven to one twenty five one shots and we got up usually wide array of mutual ties and the current one hundred seventy rates. It's on con- as of Sunday the average field sizes twelve point one on six and when we think about it but it's even more remarkable because Happy Valley only runs twelve show. Tim Run a fourteen so they're approaching. Maximum starting just about everywhere. The average of one odds is now ten points six one so the average winter is paying twenty one dollars. It's quite remarkable. Track record set. Steve and I don't know if you read any respect I got Last Sunday encouraging one seven furlongs fourteen hundred meters and one nineteen point nine two and I guess I guess the poor for Traffic Superintendent that they said it looked like he had seen a ghost and and he's been doing everything he can soften the turf course up and then applying in water and a and a decent amount of water. But what happens with turf course Jerry Bailey. Talking about this years ago keenly that turf course can get firmer when it gets wet but not soaking wet obviously but what you gotta understand turf dirt and congrats on the top roots and when that third gets firmed up more than drying it gets really quick and and shot Tennyson et cetera. So far one last Sunday. They're doing everything they can. They diverted drain the other day. Try to ease the commission's they haven't had much rain when you're in a pretty dry season right now so the targets playing extremely fast running cons and then extremely fast so they have to be current take with the grain of salt from the nicotine back At at fine at times but it doesn't really affect the ratings as is but that's that's a trend that we've seen since the very beginning of Hong Kong regime so lots of firm turf and fast times Looking forward orchid something big Sunday. We have three grew Tuesday craigslist. Coming up we have the Jockey Club. Sprint going twelve hundred meters jacket club Club Cup going somewhere eighteen hundred needed and the jockey club mile gone sixty months news. These wait courageous roses. So the not usual handicapped rates that we get and Hong Kong weight-for-age and the conditions of such like you see the southern hemisphere the northern hemisphere three year olds not one of the great ones things like that so For instance we have horsely of duty. Generation will be in rice number six Jack Clark Bile and he is the number one horsey jude. One posted issue issue was pardon. He is carrying one hundred twenty eight pounds the of goods and their successors all carry one hundred twenty three of course the conditions of the race if you have not won a one in the last twelve months because five pounds also none of them have duty generation as so he carries one twenty eight the rest carry one twenty three now and he got out he was spotting fourteen eighteen pounds to the two horses that finished ahead. Yeah so this is Almost level words for him quite a coup who did beat him last time. Except Bro Weight off. That effort I'm a big advantage that they haven't handicap racing. Is My gonNa be this coming Sunday. And nor would they be when longines has to four international races the way for its crisis. Well so we've got three biggies coming up well worth watching especially as kind of like scouting missions for the locals as they go on to take on the world and the Hong Kong International Races so the the mile attracted seven points awesome beauty generation the cops which is at two thousand dollars. I said he wanted to court about attracted nine the exalting getting back on track and he'll be very tough and then the places Jockey Club sprint where to track with fourteen horses going leaders and what's interesting here is the way the weights are even though it's not a handicap at Barrow who is wanted last four starts and four of his five less cards. I mean just look spectacular including the track like going. Five thrones thrones. He gets him with a hundred thirteen pounds because he is a three. So the way around being praised not a good steps went out so he has his favorite as far as weight is number fourteen but he dressed house version nine carats team and John. More abso- John Lewis has a bunch in this size. Had The punch and they have a two cup races so they'll get a chance to move up to you grew company. You get some perfectly weighted. Something's GonNa do it this time to do it. Very favorably rated not waited rated. The one hundred eighty then on the approve every start and a good win here get some into the long gene race where he's been run for even bigger money these races. She's a former Hong Kong. So they're about six hundred thousand. US Dollars Autry Rights is so big races. Coming up this Sunday shouting Tim Levin fifteen post time eastern time. Now that we've set the clocks back it's it's thirteen hours from and so trump fifteen Hong Kong afternoon. Eleven fifteen east coast time. First of ten races highlighted by the tree grew the two ranches that will serve as preparation for the more genes international races on Sunday. We also got so vested desouza coming back. And that's the a he rode for about two months and he wrote like fifty five winners crazy amount but he has a license from this Sunday November seventeen to January thirty first so I would look for him to not just went a lot of races but a lot of business. It'll be in demand they'll be trying to take advantage of the shortened schedule but he has his license there and They make an impact job. Harare's pretty far ahead into riding stands. Dan I want things to form does be. That's that's really worth looking at. And when they left out of the trainers jockey's in the standings and they go from top to bottom. They do it thing in the far right racist since last went. So what's interesting. I think so. You look at a Tony Cruz. Always leading China's that have suddenly gone called. If remember Tony good good start to hug. Intrusions not had win win in his last fifty starts shocked like Chad Round on Tony Cruz ones a lot of races the championships in Hong Kong. When he's OFA Thespian? With his West fifty starters and with Jack's character team and grant Van Dyke Hook have not one what they're less seventeen rights. So it's a nice little thing you know if someone's cooled off and cruises. Aw I it's hard to tell them it's cooled off because they don't want to lead and train them but they were all punched in the beginning of the meat. He's loaded for this weekend at the stake. They braces and I don't think much longer but it's a it's a great little spat glance at the C.. Only what is much less. So that's something to keep track of so much information available and we'll keep an eye on on everything going on and both both inside the track and and outside the outside side the ovals while Gotcha Dick Some Cartier Cartier Award News and enable No no real surprise but it was a big night for Gosden overall. The Cartier's serve one of she's now trained five of the six months of the year and able to and then he thought it was like king them from the one the roaring things that so he's been Houston just read hard interesting. Steve with seven of the eight winners were homeless. And God's been even though he has expensive viewing types most horses awesome but the judge on the weather is Anthony Oppenheimer and people like that. So awesome usually has divorce from an early age and seems them through their careers. Doesn't pick them up and training sales of the only seventy if something like. I said that it was kind of like a nice thing to see that the people who put the money in in this case two of them were Judd Bonn and Godolphin go to winning the Dolphin Pinatubo wanted to pop to yours over. There was actually higher rated than Franken was it has a two year old. Everyone's concerned triaging coming up. And then the great blue point who won two group one's in the week Ascott He was Spencer. The guy in both of those sources was signed by Shamma doubt who often stand so they get like a double one when they're going to war with their own houses known horses sired by on horses so that's always good blue but gosden dominated Frankie Dettori rode many of the Eagles Stratovarius who That they've they've created a string of races upstairs and there's a million dollar bonuses minimum amount of me the million pound on this and Stradivarius is not. I WanNa twice the distance horses. Some money to arrange for us and prominence Not neglected like we kind of neglect. Though that's sources and the resum market over there that we kinda unaware of maybe we can talk about somebody that the National Hunt Tauruses If you're dying and you're kind of stamina I WANNA speed. And you're not really fashionable as far as the the the racing impera but there's a big market for these horses and big greed. Enormous amounts mayors for the really distance. I'm not saying Stradivari. It's GONNA become a national hunt side. But now he's a terrific. Stay by one of my favorite horses. See the START I just I was lucky. Stars is when he wakes up and he's time into a tremendous I mean stands on seventy five thousand Bookham has just fantastic. But they'll run all day tossing gritty and all that Stratovarius. How's everything going for them including Frankie ride right some practically ekes out every ounce of talent? That horse is not a what the ground firm saw heavy. He'll he'll get over it and try. That's out else so I have to see him. Get on with another quarterback waters to stay and Surprises but I could see. They don't give the voting voting on. The runner-up turned out so just amount. It's hard I could say. They just announced a winning some No surprises but some of the longtime longterm people that have had skin in the game came out to the deck. I appreciate it and we will convene next week. We'll start to move toward the holiday season. Some some really good racing ahead and a lot of but Taking place in New York but Hardly Limited there we've got things Seems to be ratcheting up and in south Florida actually as well seeing seeing more and more big names on the on the work tab and we got a very nice kind of very nice race at Del Elmar. The two year olds on Saturday. The for those that did look ahead yet. We'll start to look at it with asking a little bit. The Bob Hope where baffert effort. Yeah that's got a very serious pair and Looking forward to that so deck I appreciate it seems they want tag. 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Part 3: Rich Eng, Seth Merrow

"There has to be trainers that when you came to a new marketplace or when you're working at dire that you figured were awed approachable hey you're waiting steve from your side of the fence and it you started off in publicity interpret as a publicist I'll mentioned that you know I didn't really start having visits until the and on a bunch of times and you know the different topics you know I'd I'd reach out to him about you know issues in the in the sport and but difficult at times with David Whiteley David was pretty irascible the times to a youngster myself but what are you Stephen and he was a just a phenomenal person phenomenal trainer for certainly in in that era at the top of the sport and You know you really had not approached him until getting heavily involved with the show and I just remember picking up a phone and and I think it was were you try to walk into a bar you would basically let you know you should go the other direction but I been somebody had a worse may have died and you know one of his that I asked to come on and and I I it's funny I just found him of course you know he really wasn't doing much training at the last several years talk about them a genuine risk I don't I don't remember who it was now but he was terrific with me I I had had later in life but of going through the the rings a few times I I'm trying to think of I one trainer who I am I absolutely I got a couple of names one on the either side of the fence I I remember it was for me as a youngster kind of he was always when I would see him at Saratoga absolutely another one and I got the same I've got the same story and I had the advantage of Siaka the woody Stevens trainer tree was very long very very stylish been a Lotta great trainers who who worked for woody and went to work out on their own but uh made intimidate me was the first time dealing with the leeward jolly and you know those years he was you know he he could he could have his morning the teddy bear description I if you bobby liked you it was probably nothing he wouldn't do for you but you Kinda had to break through the conversations on the air but I would also call Frankel off the air ask him for insights and you know understanding about you know about the game or or you know trying to formulate opinions medication issues and so forth and he was he was one of kind but that that's a good that is a that is a good despite the rich in terms of being I'm trying to think back to my especially my younger days when you know I was just cutting my teeth in the sports so I didn't have the experience you know he was just a superb horseman super person and I was very happy to get to know Bobby Frankel on real positive basis bobby Franco who you know basically stayed there forever because bobby was sold warrior was on employees and took care of them that they had no reason to want to leave on topics that were a lot of a lot of cases a topics that you know I I was grappling with we we were sitting we were having there was a big group dinner I bring this up with ask it every chance you know on the pro side you know people who had a chance to to meet late probably frankly he had a very rough exterior but he absolutely is but just we went to visit and I went to visit him in the hospital for at Albany bad yeah a lot of people that he was very close to so it was easy to have an entree that way but you know he's another and and I you know we had but that that I'd like to talk about someone witty was the so good for the sport that's a good one with with Leroy to and I will what is quickly escalating toward a fascinating breeders cup rich and with every passing day there's whether it's the results and we've got the vast majority of there's still some races there's this ascot champions day and all that and and we do have this card at at would vine which once in a while feeds in we'll get maybe an EP Taylor or or in other there's chances that some of those that are running Saturday at woodbine going to give you the gut reaction level the best the best story ever I wish it's too bad that asking is traveling and we were talking we were talking about the election about the election and this would have been this would have been something with with the crushed on the top I but he had a heart gold and he sincerely loved his animals and the he absolutely loved the people that work for them there were people that were introducing US and and Lula's narrow and there there were a bunch of people the dotty and Gordo here there were I already had had a relationship with the world's top is Joe for that more I was the greatest but Frankel was was very very liberal and progressive and I don't ever ever forget that you didn't have to worry that that Bobby Frankel wasn't going to give you the you know that he wasn't gonNA shoot from the APP Rob Haskins comes out with how he's voting for Romney and Franken Frankel looked at it said you gotta be the worst the code honor now we've got the potential of enable maybe coming back for a title defense in the earth I think that would put a real abol the Angel Cordero was there and they were all there's a whole by those big mix of people and Steve and Joan of not coming but now if they're thinking about coming that would really really be helpful to have superstar European horses that caliber coming for the Breeders Cup a group dinner at the Novi and still Sergio's at the time the Louis Louise at one end of the going to be a real tough nut to crack a point well taken because we have absolutely the last couple of weekends stressed you know the classic seems horses the push their chips in routine some horses take chips out for whatever reason you know if you get code yeah I I really wanted to in this vein talk about trainer who I just absolutely adored and it was was Stevens when when I had a chance to be I any number of the invaders and you know obviously Doug O'Neill comes in wins that wins that Woodford and and bobby and I can't remember Frankel was sitting across from or next to me I think across from me I think casket was next to me charge into things yeah there's a lot of angles and play you know the ones does mentioned I I know I guess originally they were kind of thinking some reflection of the way people view southern California racing they're you know some of the issues that happen at Santa Anita you know maybe people feeling that the quality of the race the turf sprint Peter Miller spice perfection despite the terrible start and nobody better frankly on a on a horse the oldest developing privy classic I think he laid out her mistake with certainly a big chance one thing that I wrote about recently for Americans it's W. I'll never if people would be surprised but maybe wanted to go in there you'll have a chance to try to win the three year old Eclipse Award Championship with a good performance there I'm still fascinated by a late gene is not worth it used to be you know I think they got a pretty good Shock in their wallet over the the last weekend or to California horses just really a- after having a problem that then heavier Castellano the guests Alonzo always let's settle doesn't rush them into contention and boy almonte and Keelan and winning this huge stakes rates is big prices I wrote that I thought there might have been out and come to California but your impressions the Omaha Beach Story I think helped the Breeders Cup the I know he ran right past the wire it was the biggest Gallup out in radio history talk talk about these these first two weeks say at the data the Mongolian groom and the two year olds last week and then of course this weekend the Omaha beach thing what can you say about me concerned but it's really interesting to hear too funny well let's let's get into what doc and that pushed us to eleven with Haskins and then and then Steve was Steve was into the bit we we couldn't pull him course what twenty first and then the following week and we'll be there rich couple of thoughts about the Anthony to action over I we did a fantastic job to hold up the flag for the West Coast and now those horses and other you know they're they're they're going to be racing on their own browns and Santa needed I think that we're getting past midnight that he might as well try the big race for the six million dollars in the smaller person you know the way the the best racing stephen something you probably knew just from watching the results on the last week or two was the power of the California Horses Southern California horses if she runs in the classic which I think they'll modify been telling the media that's the direction he's leaning to them to me that makes perfect sense because he he's troubled did you last week that was our fault something I remember something we got stacked up I was Nick Luck Nick Luckett at ten thirty last week that worked out beautifully for her win I got called I got a call into Ritchie Baltisk that to be up to storm being a little little sad I didn't I didn't have a real rooting interest per se but I kind of I kind of was hoping that the dodgers hey wait for the for the Breeders Cup advance addition to come out and start doing some you know out that pen to paper and start doing together well pre entries of a six month layoff and win a sprint race and beat one of the fastest sprinters in the country in chance a lot just a phenomenal wards was a was a a real gift yeah that was really a big effort by the horse the Richie bought this is really had the WHO storm rich was like a beach ball come into the plate I thought Saturday he was to be so obvious that spot and the nine to one would keep going and so that when we were out for Breeders Cup they'd be involved in this series and that that's happened I think that happened at least once great story I I was excited to see that site of bobby as far as politics a lot tougher but you know that's what you get when you're going for seven figure purses and tortured shipping in from all over the world and it's it's just going to be so much fun eighty cabinet it's just unbelievable that was just a phenomenal you know training job by a hall of fame trainer Richard Delon the think this come back on in in recent memory that the dodgers were in a series while the the cup was gonna be at Santa Anita and so that that team you know what happens happens you know you try to make a calculated risk calculated guests of what the best option is and it just didn't work out again the last night you know I know people are criticizing Clayton Kershaw one three cy young awards but seem to come up with short in the postseason I know people it aside from Dave Roberts but you know some degree in last night game Stephen You'd Never WanNa leave and you ought to come in with in court you're the best pitcher on your auteuil but as a handicap I'm GonNa have to take a look at that horse and see if maybe used up a little too much juice in in such a big effort and it had to be a big numbers eight coming back off a long layoff and we're of course going to go the next time out so I I know from you know just as far as a storyline all four you I think there's a watch out for dodger fans at any place to make sure nobody jumps always cow wow what a what a what a way we we we can cross that off the perspective list I as I hated capital I would have a caveat is you know is that race too big as far as the sheep play and the you know dodgers these last three years but so so frustrating for them to get so close to the Brad's right well I I must admit to selfishly vendor's yours partially with forces you really burning them up so it'll be real interesting that that I was wearing the Breeders Cup the level of competition we'll we'll be You know t to be chancellor on the square so that's something I'll I'll keep in mind as far as what's been happening in southern cal well we'll we'll see where things go as we end up with the nats and and the cards the one Major League Baseball player scratching his head a little bit it's gotTa Be Bryce Harper he leaves the nationals that you know hoping for a better chance to raise and then the tickets got offered for Saturday that didn't work because we went to we went to Belmont and then we went to the concert in Brooklyn but we did watch the game and I saw up that graphic that the that the Yankees have beaten them Swat six times in various series even the run-laden with my I've been involved in a rotisserie league since nineteen eighty four uh worked at Smith Barney. DC and We're we've been we've literally been running for thirty five years and it's a continuous that's called the mid Atlantic the moral the mid Atlantic rotisserie league and I co-founded at With with three guys that's right that's right yeah if Tampa Bay baseball's a funny game sometimes you're the best team on that I mean that's the Tampa Bay players Ah the own yeah it's funny you say that because teen and I did happen to watch there was a chance we were going on Friday night and cheer than than I've been in a while so I I got a bunch of young cardinals That I picked up including this this Tommy Edmund if you didn't follow the story because I hate it Tony Larussa I I I can't think of a manager in baseball history that I dislike more than Tony Larussa of it's kind and and fantasy baseball but I I had a nice run at the end of the year and I I'm more interested in the postseason this gotTa be thinking I I get a chance to upset David Goliath that would be an unbelievable upset of typically I'll pull it out but that should be a fun game and then use that in the yanks right that's what we're down to you have a bay and gains today you know the thing about the Yankees Yankees Rollover Minnesota Makarova's wasn't too happy about that I sort of tweets but he's owned that prominent in the cardinals plans and now he's more than prominent he's GonNa end up being a a lynch pin and and typically hate the cardinals Tommy Ed but this year I it's unbelievable I mean this kid came out of absolutely nowhere and wasn't even season yeah they talk about an arch nemesis they can't you know in in the twin cities something like three hundred home runs as a team you know the Yankees record with the Yankees set a record two it's kind of funny doing all right well it it's I it's funny I find myself I had a decent it's got to be one of the longest running other than the original other the Dan Okra and those guys I it's got to be one of the longest running leagues of its was a cardinal rookie pitcher that I drafted that I selected who I really thought had had a lot of upside I'll have to think about his name but I must have been living in Montreal all yeah and so it's in the nineties I'll tell you a funny story actually and it evolves this involves this actually involves fantasy baseball being out about the three hundred and seven home runs and then they put up the Yankees graphic the Yankees at three hundred and six was like you're going on and on about the or hard to hard to get to know but once you broke the ice they were okay who who who intimidated you you didn't like the JV squad it was amazing well it was funny they were they That opening game Friday night they were carrying on about it's funny you say that they were well I'm not getting everything he knew everything about baseball that three to know they just ask him AH to win the world series you're into your his old team scratching and quality showing incredible grit the beat a huge favor the dodgers I'd season tickets at the half season package for the expos and Larussa don't even get me started on the Expos Situation Yeah I mean it's wasn't back to Jerry Park at the expo go yeah it was the big mess the which was just it's the third game of the series and Larussa put in all of his second stringers in the third game of the series and they proceed to kick the ball around in like the first and second inning and the kid gives up a bunch of runs and Yang so instead of helping the kid he sets them up for failure and he came off when when he went out Russa came back to the Dugout I got up at absolutely opened up on him a double barrel and told them how pathetic it was back and forth and the place was the place was half empty I mean you could you could literally have a conversation with a third baseman if you want the only time I've ever done that I yelled at yelled at a really it was I just I've always thought Larussa was the most overrated Guy Gary just unbelievable anyway the the cardinals come to town and I was all excited to see this kid and batch anyway so that that's my that's my how we go after it's all right back to back to Santa Anita I I'll think of his name I wanNA say his first name was cliff and I'll I'll look them up on baseball reference but he's yelling at me and we're yelling robbed me when when when the season was abandoned I mean that was disgusting they were they were like seventy four thirty when the when the season was abandoned I mean they re these were around the third base side and I think was oil can boyd on the cardinals at the end of his career the yanks him and you know it's early in the season so you know there is already pressure on him that he made the team like h twenty two twenty three that's the that's the team you put out there behind rookie pitcher that's what you you set them up for failure and he's and he's already back at me and it was it was pretty funny well I I don't remember it but it's possible your your memory you might be a lot better than mine in that somebody that forget it two how you been hitting them and what are we looking ahead to even today or I before I touch on CNN I do want to address that we have a nice handicapping term big handicapping tournament coming up next week it'll be on a Thursday Friday and Saturday here at the Orleans of seven doc who's yelling at the skip I said I said he's at ask you gotTa Look I've got to figure out who it was somebody stuck their head out of the dugout and Said who yelling at skip to get him and and and and they're walking back they the kid leaves and reliever comes in when regret the Andre Dawson Gary Carter that was get with Greg Walker and they were they were so good it was and I I it was pretty funny I forget who it was that stuck his head with someone like a rick and Keel or no no no I don't quite remember the rules whether it's a fifteen bets win only a couple of them are a winning place pricing but I can't remember this one's win those those are favorite targets for team Matisse a little bit about the more about Santa Anita rich and they think the nineteenth this fall classic at the Orleans the entry fee is five hundred for entry you can buy multiple entries as many as you want one of the stories for the second half of this horse racing season has been the work of able to deal when he announced that he was gonna come down from the but each one of the three as they have daily tournament so that you can win daily prizes and if you have good run on just one of three days is pretty good and it'll reach a high seventy or eighty but we got all that sports action coming up too so anyway that's that's my promotional things that scheduled tournaments and some of the rules and things like that is you know you have a cumulative score obviously over three days trying to win the big cash prize you can get all your money back 'cause if you if you can ring up the standings and the scoreboard that single day so it's it's a well it's a well situated from north to south and now he's moved on to New York but they also deal was a well planned attack by him in the Tami Canoes because tournaments well run tournament they do a great job over there Debbie fight against the tournament coordinator anybody is you got some time next week I know today's tangle which I think is real positive angle statistically your Talamo ride but the I think the one I belong to Becky is going to be real tough The next race I think they knew that they were going to be a lot of northern California trainers that they had set up good relations with and so he started out with a with a base with a foundation of Northern California Southern California you know a lot of Fellas have made the attempt I think the most successful I can think of in my recent era was when the jurors area came they make the main drag looks good the turf courses actually played more for speed I think if you're GonNa Handicapped Turf races what do you got for us today yeah a couple of hours for a as far as the racing I think it's been really good so far and I think that good honest results a couple of horses for today is that I liked it one is in the second race at Santa Anita got pretty quick so able to do I think one of the big stories that we've seen the second half of this year in southern California come down there as far as the racing I mean the difficult beat as far as maybe someone a little later in the car let's go to the fifth race I'm GonNa go toward the outside I have a horseshoe as really for this level has good speed figures but he's been doing it mostly on the grass and then the Third Reich that's number two Clarkston Gotcha after this weekend it'll be all breeders cup all the time and of course riches analysis will be available and biggest dot com and you follow rich on Twitter Rich Inc for Pro Peck and plus the writing at America's best racing as well rich you'd be sitting era stalking the pacer coming from it back so that would be my suggestion as far as the main trackers in more than more than honest and increase for a long Vegas for next week the fall classic of the Oiling Nice at nights and plenty out there probably get the matisses that's the number nine how this horse won impressively last time out for Luis Mendez and as people familiar with his eight of course we have Belmont racing as well and looking at that card because I looked at a p win place but I believe it's fifteen plays per day so I just called you five chances to go for it I think a big selling point for the way the Barnes said he could rely upon for some work and the you know or Racing Kinda game were you get hot. People Want To Jump On that bandwagon so he gets the difficult to handle the race five nice excellent I appreciate it wretched looking forward to get closer we're pretty brisket typically for the for the big days and of course on a regular basis southern California circuit race they last thirty minutes to the top seth barrel standing by we'll get Sat in a day late and not a dollar short see what Seth looked at today level allowance today second level allowance for State Brits to six on the turf some nice horses in the sex Ed pretend to you got to think about it but it would be a good time to come to Vegas to the weather's gorgeous here Stevens like this morning about fifty five degrees which is weekend Friday and Saturday it's actually a very good race today a group of five is the feature good second wait actually the late pick four pick five not you ch- fields seven by six by nine by five by ten four scratches but that hasn't stopped things from being pretty good in terms of the returns England tomorrow I'm definitely going to write it up because the founded had fun I really had fun opening week the better off you can find a or if not going to be on a League Steve at least that's tactical speed of because it's very difficult to come from back of the bus will return ourselves after this South Barrow next races with St I appreciate it yeah I can confirm that with Eddie Rosa that I'll be on the team for the free scouts and the the roster stable obvious to pick winners hopefully we do a good job again this Breeders Cup Rejang everybody from Vegas GonNa take a break bottom of the hour at this level at the maiden claiming thirty shoot you could absolutely destroy this group so that's a horse that as long as the transition okay I think that always going to be real good pick on Sirius Xm radio hey what's going on my key here and I'm going to tell you about an offer from my good friends at express live in half prolongs claiming sixteen thousand I do like the one or I belong to Becky this hoist dropping classroom mark. 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I don't think I've ever seen in the cowboy boots then Haskins sent me a text on Tuesday night I can't come on Thursday because I'm traveling to Kentucky Wednesday said Okay so but I'll beyond just shortly there you go there you go well see you actually Steve Yeah it was it's been a goofy week because plonk left his phone on top of the fridge its own thing but Angelo's Fort Worth and Sunny Bryant and Dallas Sonny Bryan's that's about as in Kansas City and in Charlotte North Carolina and traveled all over I've I've been party Cincinnati to which is a rib you know the in San Antonio so would be an insult he's the best in this area and then there's the best everybody has their own best well Angela there's a just in time and just out of just out of reach the year that the year that my pal pals the place for baseball but it was fun especially you know that ninety fourteen was was so special and would have just you know they were does Angela it's a huge place a big it's a big like almost like a saloon hall kind of joint and there's a lieutenant I as somebody who lived that which is a funny I got a great picture once I once I tried to go to Sonny Bryan's and I was too late there's a sign closed out of food on Youtube Channel and get started for free or spills dot com toll free number eight eight eight nine four six four three they'll run out of the Turkey to cook a few Turkeys and you don't get there in time you don't get the gets Turkey sandwich luckily I made it well you've heard they were they were done for the day well you you you've told me for years and I eventually made the trip up there 'cause I'm a fan of Turkey Sandwich winslow's but they yeah I didn't I didn't I didn't want to insult Joe Allen Joe Alad is a has got his famous for is barbecue but his I think he's heard the the out of Turkey stories though I've got to there's when he won at Saratoga we all were gonna go to winslow's and so you know we're going to celebrate the win so we winslow's and sitting at the next table the and I can't remember if it was the same day we're sitting and we get or we got our order and table comes in have been allowed to forget it ever since at so Gary Siaka had to bring lunches had to bring Turkey dinner so I I think I thought we were on so I thought we want on on Sunday Anyway Eddie and Ollie's for years and that was while he's being rebuilt the whole building has been completely renovated we're not sure if there's going to be a new walis or what but who also did that that was a well kept secret Walis in Green Witch Walis would rose three Turkeys and night and you could get Turkey dinner at at his and his team of family and friends they're sitting at the next table the waitress uh I said well I said all right Eddie you you one we're talking about it Stanko and all right you won the Alabama we night would come out to green witch and they would all sit together Paul the Jock agents and have dinner Walis five nights a week Oh wow Turkey and this time we get accused of having the last order and it was the least Jacobs and Carmen Barreira and there's two carbon and at the end of the meat like the last week of the Meat Gary brought them all brought like five dinners for and that was a place sat that All the all the JOCK agents every they won the North Dakota so you you get the Turkey the next the next year the winter egg and he absolutely how many people in there so I think I was safe for from any of that brew are those

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I know they'll be glad to see go to old friends equine dot or call us at five oh two eight six three in seventeen seventy now back to afterwards with fee bic on Sirius. XM Radio Karenin trauma they start. We're back in the races about ten minutes our to spread our Funday Gab fast with Jani Johny next Doug O'Neill to follow Nicole Russo the daily racing form as well Johnny Good Morning Good Morning Stevie so many things to discuss this morning well. It's Pennsylvania Derby Week. Let's get let's get that in yeah. I'm excited sited mostly because they get to see Tina exactly that's the way I feel every morning. Hesitated the great race this year a lot of fun and you know it's really developed into into into a spot on the calendar then used to be that way that they changed the date. He's thrown on Labor Day. I believe weekend and they changed. They moved it around on the calendar and gave it a little more breathing room. from Saratoga and got a little bit closer Breeders Cup. This one's interested in going that route you might have run wants more but if they made it possible for for horsemen to do different things and attracted some some visitors in the last couple of years and he's just getting better better. It's now one of those races that's on the radar of the big guys of course person hurt either yeah exactly well. It'd be and working its way up to one status. I mean the Kazillion Gillian had in a little bit of a the advance party on that front and I it. It's a a set of of of moves that really paid off at least and you know it's funny because parks has got such a we'll talk about later in the week. I'm sure would particularly with Tony. He addresses it's got it's got such a mixed reputation overall but nobody anybody nobody. That's been to Pennsylvania Derby Day. We'll tell you it. It's it's big time. It's it's a tremendous day. They they packman they put on a tremendous show they bring in you know they pay for the broadcasting regional broadcasting. They you know they bring in the top talent guy and company and they make a big effort of Johnny and I if if they if they wanted wanted to really pay attention to their racing program I they could elevate it so easily I just it's it's a little bit maddening and you kind of shake your head that that they don't take advantage of of the circumstances they're in yeah well they don't they don't care about racing much parks and that's a shame it's a real shame because the reason they have that I'm I will argue this. The reason that casino came about as rapidly eh it did is because of Smarty Jones because because when when he was on his care is when the question soon coming up when it was gonna hit the ballot and the politicians were able to get behind it because the people behind it and that's one thing I will say for the people in the in the Philadelphia area the Delaware Valley is that they are they are racing and not just their their horse players. The father's mother's voice players grandparents were suppliers. It's like it's similar to New York. It's been passed down and other places. I'm not I'd say that excuse me Phileas Sealer Jampel but it is it is it is an example of a place where people ah went to the tracks with their with their parents. Maybe not at a young age out. This is something else that that is the damaged racing in this in the Philadelphia Area in the Delaware Valley Jersey you you don't when I was a kid and my father would go to the track. He could never take because you had to be. I think twenty eighty one eighteen or twenty one to get into the racetrack. I was a boy young boy. You had to be eighteen or twenty-one. They wanted to get into the track and there's a whole gap. There of people weren't able to go to track as as youngsters now he take me to randy wine which was hardest track because the rules were different there we go at night I remember going down brandy wine and and and watching the harness races now exciting it was and the colors and the lights and the whole thing but not to the thoroughbred track and Jersey Jersey was the same way garden state was the same way we couldn't had to be I Don Orange Sixteen eighteen twenty one. I it was a long way from what I was at the time so anyway that is that nowadays you you're walking out a whole generation of potential customers from from from watching sport live which was crazy what the fans in in this area despite that or maybe because of it maybe because aren't allowed to go they they found an interest in it but because you're a member when Smarty Jones when he galloped at park or maybe it was Philadelphia Park then when he galloped he didn't work you galloped there were ten thousand the people are estimated ten thousand people and just the other day when he came back the parade the crowd you know impact the grandstand it was a it was a you know a banner day. they love Racing Smart Jones certainly is was a superstar or he was every night. The News we begin the local news would begin with a report on what Smarty Jones did today so so that was fun but visit a place where if the owners of parks care much about racing yes I agree with you could take what you understand why they don't because casino the overhead is less the aggravation bless. You don't have people all the problems that only overhead all the all the administrative details of running a racetrack you put up a couple of slot machines and outer racetrack so preservation guy said sad to see why can't you you know now the other good side of things is that the Pennsylvania Brad Program and the person Yes yes tremendous you know what one of the tops in the country so that that part of it and the the in the horsemen fund you know the state was about to take money away from the horsemen. I got together and got it got it done and now that money is Zurve. You know it won't be taken away anytime soon. You know there are a lot of a lot. Those are good things that happen then you've got the credibly high takeout parks Yup makes no sense makes I during force players are now I know there are reasons for it on I mean the the rebates that they can give big players and it does this mean Doug that all and they do okay okay and it's not like people stop playing barks not white people white marks killers he is when the person's went went up from slots money. you've got started to get your New York. Shippers come down and get your second third strings from from New York and and and and that added to the program and they asked the happy's and field sizes it's just I don't know it just like it sounds like they don't they don't care once in a while of what happens with racing over there. I wish I wish they cared your. That's all I hear you well looking forward. I love going down we have we always have a tremendous day and then into the into the Jersey night we go for dinner the four of us and teen in I'll be down Friday late Friday. I probably about seven thirty. We usually get into into philly. Never Jersey yeah the help. She didn't realize we cross over the crossover deaths over the years over the word. I don't remember show my passport office. uh-huh soon soon not solo pasta which we talk about every year at this time and and other times too because we turned haskins into what convert as well he is asking goes and you'll you're you're liable to see John Service there and great former the the former governor of New Jersey still frequents at the better get there before he does If you WANNA eat anything th there'll be something left John. You heard that would blow them up now. The well listen when you monopolize the beaches when you come on I understand I understand why you slung about it up. We'll see you heard me referenced Johnny Going to see a visit tomorrow. Zero from Marshall Graham and we're GONNA talk about the pick five the biggest opportunity it seems I mean other than an Jackpot force outs speaking of which how much longer Gulfstream horde that million dollars they waiting for they waiting for the the the cows come home. Does that come in. I out for to be pushed but isn't that soapbox broken yet. No it's not it. It isn't and IT'S I. I'm sorry it's just it's just it's not right. It's not right the the more organic the more organic carryovers in the Games these pick five carryovers it is now the current Best Bang Opportunity in the in the game and the stronach five which we said when when a carryover would occur that was gonna be I mean it's a good bet anyway because it's a twelve percent takeout pick five fifty percent minimum makes it makes it approachable for ticket building but this was a terrific terrific on Friday although they didn't bet as much into it johnny as you would have expected well first of all one dollars so that's right that's right that is a one dollars. That's true but also said well why you know I agree with. You didn't seem like it featured a almost one hundred thousand dollars carryover and they handle. Wasn't you know through the roof which is a bit surprising I agree with you and I tried to think of reasons reasons for that I don't know you know tweets talked about the Friday deal before Maybe maybe it's kind of got lost. Maybe people from God about maybe people are back from the summer and it's just not top of mind mind and and perhaps wasn't promoted enough. I mean we certainly expressed that to a lot to promote the five the fact that it kicks off at Laurel Involves Laurel Gulfstream Golden Gate. Perhaps since there's no Santa Anita involved. Maybe it just slips through the cracks in some in some cases because this one this one ensure slip through the cracks that kind of carryover you would have thought that people would would have rushed the play basically been difficult because I will say that it's hard to hit you will get paid if you hit one. It's not like the the card is difficult and on if you hit it you know the payoff is not commensurate with the difficulty but they're difficult and you've got to have deep pockets chase it but this one was one if you were chasing it this is one that could have got your back on top of little because it paid almost four thousand and as you said earlier on the show you know the winners paid seven eighty five forty five sixty seven. M16 twelve twenty. That's not the realistic. Their regular guy can hit that so anyway I I I really can't explain the smell smeller smallish smaller than what you'd expect except for whatever already said and it continues to be something that should look at particularly when there's a carryover eighty winners that's good news. That's very good at least well it the thing the thing that's got to be driven home. It paid four thousand dollars three thousand nine hundred ninety seven. The parlay was six eighty three. You gotta be kidding. I mean three times the parlay that's typical four times the parlays fabulous this was almost six times the parley it's astounding so it was it was unusual in that respect and it was also unusual inspected. Get Ah much play as you would expect. I'll I'll I'll give you. I'll give you two suggestions. I'll see what Marshall Graham says tomorrow last week. Of course you know Thursday you had that last card from Kentucky downs you had Churchill opening on Friday and I just wonder under if there wasn't a little bit of there might have been a little bit of elasticity issue. I mean after Kentucky downs and you know people. People just didn't go back to the well. You know one more time on Friday. I mean if this thing had been if this had happened been Saturday I I'm. I'm sure you would have had a bigger what what did Churchill. What did Churchill head on Friday do? They publish can't remember if they do. They publish their era. I don't know but I'll tell you one thing. It's just it's this strong. Five has to Gulfstream races in Santa Anita Yeah then you're you're in the winter. You're already looking at Gulfstream early. Look a lot of you know. Majority of players are looking at Gulfstream. They're looking at Santa Anita to to look at Golden Gate Racer world. Excuse me one or two from Laurel or Golden Gate. It's not a it's not asking a lot but instead of Friday. You're now asking you know the majority of players look at you know four or five races that they're probably not gonNA okay. I've got four or five aces outside of where where we usually play and your your point about Churchill opening Friday is is important Churchill Discard and and you know it's packed and Dell bots open and that's where most of the tension is going while you're asking me to look at five different but at the same time one hundred thousand dollar carryover should sweet some info the extra work but anyway eight people. Who Do the extra worker happening yeah? That's that's a nice distribution back out into the into the pockets of players and then as mentioned we'll go through these in fact I I'll see Marshall didn't let me know I said I could even be he prepared to talk. I think I may have thrown them out. I may have had those the ones from a prairie meadows on Tuesday night to it because you know what Johnny I'm I'M GONNA I'm GONNA say that. The dollar increment is is involved in the handle. The handle element to this because press is certainly prairie meadows which it doesn't have a high profile but they handled. I think they handled. I think they handled a half a million on Tuesday night right yeah yeah yeah what was again now. We're talking Tuesday night edition. Yeah Yeah Yeah well what Friday's though when you're talking Friday you've got Belmont. You had Churchill opening you know you. You've got stuff going on so Tuesday and the Tuesday night. You're probably sitting the same wow let's see what can I watch the night what's going on. You know what type why and to see that carry over it you know it was it was easy to get involved because you weren't. You weren't handicapping anything else. You're getting involved. You weren't spending money. You weren't getting evolved somewhere else if he here to say yeah. I mean handicap this car. Even though even though I know nothing about these forces I can handicapped card putting ticket. Take a shot cause. I'M GONNA that'd be sitting here with the old lady watching. TV and I need some action so you take on a on a frightening well. You know you look at Belmont. I looked at Churchill. what else is going on. You know I I looked at five more races well yet. It was a carry-over but did Belmont have their one of their carryover start. Did it start yeah sure the whole well it it they're doing. They're doing the the empire. They're doing far. Okay I got yeah never mind that has nothing to do with it. I just I forgot so yeah. Mine's the same way I I guess the the wall of historians look for Strana carryovers and anytime any any of these his any of these ended up being and by the way they the here is because I had an due to my website. there was is one point eight million dollars back into that prairie meadows. Take five force out yeah yeah what was that carryover like pretty decent wasn't it it. I think it was at it was three and a quarter. I think going in Yeah Yeah. That's that's quite a bit so this one this one trudeau and a fifty cent and fifty cent fifty and so I'm not surprised that they did well because I remember seeing like the H. Number seeing it pass across as news you know force out mandatory and I forget what I had gone on to unite but it tweets me you know I I I'm moment I said WanNa know. Maybe I should I better I got to do. I can't get to it but yeah well. I mentioned on Friday on the show because I I was disappointed that I had forgotten to bring the prairie meadows thing up on the Tuesday after you know Tuesday morning and so I did make sure I mentioned the sequence and I gave out the you know the race sequence on Friday and I had I I have a print it out and I I just ran out of racetrack. I mean it. You know there's a certain amount you know we also between the sale and and you know between you only three hours a day. That's me exactly on day and you don't know you team cups to won- and so she's going to cut along with today well I agree. I agree no. I was focused on the weekend action and I just didn't. I didn't do it plus. I had the guy I had our contest the pick and congratulations to Marie Carbonaro narrow who I'm pretty sure in California she and her husband Bud they had five between them. She had she had three qualifiers and husband I had to and it was a crazy Saturday. Let's get to Saturday's results that get some thoughts from you because because it was really a case Johnny of you know the the boxcars that came in you can only have so many of these kinds of sixty sixty eight hundred dollars horses but upon further review like I said this morning talking about l. TORMENTA is one of those horses you went back and looked and you said good grief. Why did I not why did I just sometimes you class over horses or you're so focused on the obvious players I I reached for a price in the silent mode was no good but so I was open to a different idea but the anatomy of some of the the big prize twitter from the weekend they were a lot of cases? They weren't the type necessarily they throw up your hands and said I couldn't add that horse. No I agree with you on the on the Woodbine mile result L. Sorrento. I mean just I guess everyone's got drunk on God's stormy and and Reggie boy raging bull sh- sure I mean that's who I ended up thinking was was was gonna run well. I had a little bit of a negative feeling about God stormy and and she ran fine I don't as well as he had in the previous rate. Is that the quick quick turnaround and the big race or the big races including a quick turnaround from all this third to August and that had the backing offer her again at a short price I was looking for something else to win the race. I thought you know certain she can run. She's run around well. I you can take the price was a good idea to look somewhere else and I got stuck on raging goal I if I get into he hasn't been the same and he hasn't really but he hasn't run poorly either. He needs a certain trip. I thought it would be a hot pace which was I feel confident and Mandy captain aspect but he just had to make too much in the end certainly was violated a little bit and stretch but he wasn't gonNA win same enough that I just fell through the cracks and as you said you know here's a four year old which which I love the look for these you know improving any type four year old run it runs decently off at the distance shore you had one of the top riders board so you know coming out of those sprints where he's closing. I it wasn't terrible. I think what what shocked me and I think what shots you most is not that he was a long shot but then he was forty four to one he you know he was a buck eighty five of the swap feel field and he was he was a favourite band the One uh in his last two races so this is not a worst. It's been twenty two one but he should have been in this field probably twenty one. I mean yeah. That's the best pair that I don't think he should be. He should have been four to one well because there's other places you'd rather go any it was just a case of which is why this darn game so so difficult and so wonderful and so frustrating and I mean he's got perfect trip. He got a really really a trip. He got the ride the real early here just enough speed to be close up but not you know not rushing not hurrying coming out of the sprints and he he had a look when the split form and he got through he was up to the task any was fit enough to get the mile and got sore me if if mine L. is correct she maybe dot going to fire her best best best race and she may be shielded Hilda yields of running back quickly winning like a monster that day that you probably wasn't going to be that again okay. She's a she's a cut off. He's cut you know and then you've got a case. We've got the coming from the crowd and had to go ride just running well enough. He has a long launch December. Hollywood derby happens I guess and the pace the patient was hot up front wrong. so it set up nicely as one of the ones that you look back and we say oh I get it. I got what goes into the top twenty percent jock and say all the sources the knocking open the door and wine no no no this is why this is the perfect example of why racing the better gambling game in the NFL because you can have a worse like this horses not impossible. This was not even crazy right. I was thinking that I was also thinking rations. Overthinking you know back the Danes when we would sit at the racetrack at the table or whatever the box wherever you were and the guy was like who do you like. I like the five why well and they go through widely. Like who do you like I like to why any give you you you get out of here. You got no chance of listen and then I like L. Tormenting GonNa sit on the rail. He's got enough speed to be close. It'd be get lucky and he gets through one one win and one place he can handle de dirty over this course you know he's forty four to one. You're kidding me. That's the kind of thing that you miss now. They saying it home. You know playing alone you know you'll get that same interaction with the guys at the table now acts that's where twitter and some of the other social media outlet pipeline can be can help up because there are some very intelligent people sharp handicappers who share their opinions on social media media on websites on you know w services whe- wherever there isn't information out there and this is exactly the kind of horse that if you were listening with the handicapped the rates and they told us to this source which I guess I think the guy in the program at Woodbine Ramos Gates me and I'm very sorry you won't name. I can't give Ah oh my Gosh Doug God. I want to say Doug McPherson. Sorry I don't remember but I thought it was. I WANNA say Doug McPherson. I believe it was it was cleaning out after the reef but he had this of course my third top well Tommy Tommy bassus Thomas was gave the horse out repeatedly and and and handicapping seminars thing with PD did something else and a couple of others to and on on the third draft board two of the players said. Did you know this is a horse who's been dirtied up because of bad trips and has been competitive with this group that I reached for silent poet who I thought I was going to be a fun price and was going to get a good you know a good up-close stalking trip and and he he came up empty but there was plenty of reason to try something something creative and so you just gotTa be you just have to be open to it that that's what's the message here. If you thought got stormy might react those big after earlier this year and if you thought Raisin Bowl was not quite where it was before and met him going to have a a rough trip coming for far back if you thought those few saying the race becomes. Maybe go look for something crazy because that's going to happen. apply racing is a great game because you can get forty one you know as you have to do in the NFL again betting in forty two one. You got partly like I dunno johnny. I got I got doug visit with Doug. O'Neill Neil who had a good week he won one Thursday at Kentucky downs then came back and takes the Pocahontas on Saturday so we'll talk to Dougie but finally you you fell asleep sorted will end. I powered through and watched a really a fast. The game was fascinating. What time did you wake up this morning to go? Watch the rest of the game. I'm going to put an asterisk on my phone. I tell the after the the second half kickoff that was like you know it's like Jok. It was the rations over the horse was just about ease and the trainer so jack what happened out there and the whole thing jockey says when the trainer well Oh right out of the gate. I knew he wasn't gonNA try so I thought why should I try uh-huh so right out of the second half gate. I knew they weren't GonNa try so like what should I try. I'm going to bed winning bed falsely. I woke woke up at the end of that magnificent drive down the field scored a touchdown and take the lead and I thought to myself. I am so proud of this football team even in defeat. I am so proud of this quarterback because he got is main got a lot of his main guys were injured. Look like a mass core coming out of there and he took a beating back there. He kept showing up. He's got rid rid the head concussion protocol whatever I don't know I don't know what the protocol hells but there was a line you guys get concussion protocol yet to take a number to get your custom protocol. Ask like a Deli. The Atlanta the Atlanta Falcons Hyphen showed up with with savagery on their mind begged was so much great hitting in that game last night and they wanted to win that game they had a score to settle and they settled it but you know what else did not give up and I'm so proud of you know they lost they earned earned my respect to defeat and again Carson Wentz in the first part of the game after he got that rid that ridden wack he he looked like he was throwing the ball he did and they all did. The defense styled the Schwartz pushed every button as someone who actually stayed up and watched all three hours I can. I can tell tell you that the the the parts you might have missed and we'll too. I was very disappointed to get the text this morning at five thirty from from will the got up early to watch the DVR. That's very disappointing but it's all right. That's all right. That's all right. We're GONNA love for projects something. I thought I miss a little spot. Schwartz not not will the other one got coaches for he went after he went after Matt Ryan with school by the way when axiomatic Ryan from you know with witches and it paid off and it worked and it was great and it shut him down until you live. If you live by the sword you're going to die I by the sword and the man to man coverage they ran the pick and they got Jones free and it was once out. That's what what I can. I'll I'll bring up a variation of this with the with Doug O'Neill next but of course one thing certainly was evident yesterday day and Johnny how much of you might have seen the tweet occurred to me yesterday. I couldn't as I'm foaming around. I found some some tweet from the official the NFL officiating twitter feed where they had some. They had some guy explaining the official official rule interpretation another instance swear a Central League office governing body with uniform rules nationwide solves problems yeah just in case just in case you you've bought into that nonsense that having having a central governing body is is the solution to everything well when when the NFL when they say we're GonNa go to replay and you're GONNA help no one the other way. We've we've had every place for for fifty years. We can still works with so we're GONNA. We're GONNA make it better at at some point. Somebody's got to say this is what they've made the decision you know ten other people get you some big br but this is what I see what's going to happen and I can tell you what happens. Real time or happened replay or at some point and and half the people are going to be angry and half the people that'll be happy or somewhere mixon's some kind of a mixture of that and that's the way it's GonNa go but now at this pass interference replace thing it's opened up a completely new can of worms crazy but you know what I like the guy in back mountain the NFL. I can't quit. You tried to quit that question I I can't I can't watch. I can't watch too many you know I. I don't watch anything else other than really than the eagles but I. I'm just amazed I mean the even even last night taking those two point the two point conversion off the board award for that insane interpretation of a quarterback diving like like a quarterback diving for the goal line is the same as a quarterback that scrambled and his diving out in the field of play. I mean there is just as we learned last week. There's a lot to be said for common sense and the application of of interpretations using common sense Johnny I will see see you Saturday afternoon. You will report. I had a whole discussion about leads frank foot injuries that go go through with. You never got so I can say that in the green room put that in the put that in the reserve but that in the the and the Gyeonggi Topic Reserve Bank all right we got it looks we have a great chance in great great Pasolini. They're becoming coming up. I'm looking forward to going to be a lot

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 1/12/21--Guest Tim Yakteen

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 1/12/21--Guest Tim Yakteen

"Maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for horse racing news interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host. Jason be aisle radha. Make good tuesday morning. The welcome in the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires the fine folks. Churchill downs incorporated bringing you this Next thirty five forty. I don't think we'll go forty five. Our interview was terribly long. And there's not a ton going on. I'm gonna say thirty five to forty today. If you were count honest to get you through a forty five minute commute. You're gonna have to listen to this show and then put in stairway to heaven and then you will be there. It's all you gotta do and then you will. You will be at your destination. You'll have To good pieces of audio me and led zeppelin or whatever whatever eight minutes song you need to to get you to the the forty five minutes but to happy to be with you guys here. Another rainy day here in the seattle area. We finally had like some clearing and had a nice weekend. I went out to mount rainier. I was bought a new What are they called. Wireless remote control or white no not removed her wireless microphone system. That can hook up to my camera or my phone and do better audio from a distance. And because we're going to. Sam houston for the houston ladies classic weekend. I want to be able to do some interviews and content and stuff there. But i also wanna stay many feet away from other human beings in in doing so and figure that that and honestly i think it's just good to have. I like to make videos for my youtube. I like to do stuff For you know. Like when i did the videos if you haven't seen him yet i did a couple of can accommodate videos on my twitter account at beamy awards you know about reuters and did a twenty twenty song and the rulers one. I wish i would have had this. Because i would have had better audio when i'm facing away from the camera and screaming at the television and you know trying to grow my my little business here plus i write it off because it's a business expense. God bless america on that. I guess are my taxes against soon. I feel like since we did taxes late last year. They they snuck up on me a little faster this year because we got till i didn't do them till like round grants pass was finishing six months ago. Now now we're already going to start getting our Our stuff back. But i don't know good good to get them over with where i mentioned our interview. Tim eac teen is going to join us today. Longtime southern cal. Long time i guess at this point i mean he's been around for fifteen years or so on. The southern california irked will talk with him about his career about You know his barn star. Mutual muccio unusual. Who's ahah grade one turf winner. Who had just won the bobby frankel back on opening weekend. We'll talk about in. Tim came up. In the barnes of baffert and charlie whittingham. And so. we'll talk about that. And more looking forward to having that conversation with tim coming up here in just a couple minutes couple little news things i want to touch on before we get to To timmy t. One of them is the the welcoming back of racing at golden gate fields. Golden gate will be back in business. This coming friday january the fifteenth and very happy for the folks down there golden. Gators i often say is one of my favourite tracks to go visit. I love going. There obviously can't go there anytime soon but it really is like you know it's close but it's also it's a beautiful track and it doesn't get its Do in that beautiful track sense. And it's it's close to the city so there's lots going on around it and friendly with a number of people who work there or race there and so i'm happy to see them getting back up. I talked to matt dinner. Men the announcer down there. Oh right around the holidays. I think after christmas but before new year's and Just kind of you know checking in on him just to see how he was doing and what they had heard and he had said that they were preparing their presentation for the berkeley county health. Folks to to try to get racing back going. They of course had a big outbreak. I talked to a gal. Who's a exercise rider down there and wrote up grants pass and you know. She had said that there was a lot of people getting sick. She said almost everybody she knew had very mild symptoms and or or way symptomatic which was good news and You know they have whether that covert outbreak that was there. I think they said at one point there was like three hundred positives or four hundred positives or something. But they said they've done extensive testing and everything is back ready and so they are ago to be back racing shortly here in northern california. I'm curious what that will do to handle in southern california. You know california has always operated on this north south. Well i shouldn't say always but in recent years certainly since Since strana bought both sets in terms of northern and southern. But they've really all have they always have cooperated As far as post times like golden gate will start at twelve forty five santa anita even hollywood back in the day or del mar. Whatever they'll start at one and then they'll just go every fifteen minutes that way you have a california race going off every fifteen minutes now. They haven't been doing that. Obviously since santa anita got started back up on the twenty six because can gate hasn't been running Santa anita's handles been pretty decent. Some of the cards have been pretty good. And i'm wondering what because you know the the obvious thought. Is you know we want to get our product meaning california and Know in those particular tracks are owned by the same group we want to get him out with mass exposure and we want to get him away apart from each other and You know and and hopefully maximize our handle. But i'm curious whether or not you know golden gate not running. I don't think golden gate is a track that draws a ton of batters certainly draws some in terms of people who that's their primary track like. I'm a golden gate player. I'm playing golden gate. Now are they gonna then ship a little money over to santa anita because hey fifteen minutes next to golden gate. Maybe i kind of like a horse. Sandy i'll play that. Whereas i do think that santa anita brings. There's a lot of people who that is their primary focus and they might give some tertiary dollars to golden gate in the process. But i wonder if having both of them going at the same time eats into each other's hand a little bit. I mean there is in a time where we haven't done a ton to grow the game we've kind of the the one of the stories of twenty twenty has been handled distribution. We've seen some tracks that are reporting these big handle gains but the overall scope of handle is I believe close to the same or down. So what you're getting. Is you just having less number of races less tracks running because of the pandemic and because of a couple of closing so there's just less people to divvy up the same pie. I mean if you and me and you know. Eight of our friends are all making a living off of a five hundred thousand dollar pie. Then we're all making fifty thousand a year if the pie stays the same five hundred thousand but you know two of our our our mates. Go off to work in the world of basketball. You know there's no room for us eight to eat a little bit more even though we really haven't quote unquote grown the pie so it seems that the trend this this year has been a lot of them. Nighttime tracks have done better Some of the daytime ones have grown and a lot of that is just lack of competition and some of them have not well. And so i'm rookie. I would be curious to see what would happen. If golden gate ran on a different schedule than than southern california and you know maybe it became a little more of a singular circuit. I know craig burn from The thoroughbred idea foundation glen hill farm. He's often lobbied that northern cow just become one circuit and that's a long drive to the to run a horse or two if you're living in southern california to go up to northern california minutes. It's six hours if not more especially if your your hall and horses. But i'd be curious to see what it would do in terms of handle on something like that but we'll see but i'm glad to see golden gate fields back in and racing couple of other news. Things that i saw that on. Monday was the final edition of the indian charlie newsletter That was sent out If you don't know indian charlie. I actually tried to get the guy behind any charlie on the show. Way back when like What was i mean. Probably three or four years ago and you know he. He politely declined. It said he would love to do it but you know. His primary sponsor at the time was strong. And he's like. Yeah you know. I don't want to make anybody upset by going on the other guy show and i said hey i understand. We have these A lot of stran- employees come on the show like we are still promoting. You know he was like nah just in a which. Like i said i get it. I've turned down things. Because i wasn't sure if it would properly crossed my you know my businesses so i get it but i it's a it's a newsletter that's been going on for years and you know it's kind of a satirical look at horse racing. Which is you know. A lot of what i've done over the years on twitter and stuff like that and And with the beams but You know with it's been primarily a print thing and it's something that was kind of distributed at sales and and at the track and had a lot of racing industry sponsors and stuff like that but Yet go i mean you know. Print obviously has really really gone backwards. I did see the blood horse was all also going from a once a week to a once a month print edition. I mean it's just. I can't even think of anything i consume in print anymore. Other than books. I still do prefer a book to a kindle but everything else i mean i. I was one of the last holdouts from paper past performances to going digital like using an ipad or my computer. I still was printing. Pp's out probably up till about four years ago. And then i made the switch. And i know some of you out there still die hard paper users but You know it's just. It's a little part of racing. That's going away. At twenty seven years. In his last comment he made to To take a little bit of a stance which i thought was Was pretty neat. Day thoroughbred horse racing. The greatest game played outdoors has been so for two hundred and fifty years is allowing self to be bullied by pita and other so called animal rights activists this appeasement of these radical groups with political cloud. Financial backing has fueled some poor decision making sport He said we hear new charlier. One hundred percent all in for federal intervention and tightening of medications except lasix. We're asking for resources to run fast and far to their limits physical capabilities Which is you know so you know just made a stance on On his last issue which. I can always appreciate and just wanted to send the best. I don't i don't know name was at that. The did india charlie but Yeah it was like. I said it was. It's a bit of a racing institution that was e A part of the landscape for twenty. seven years We you know we in society as you go along whether it's restaurants publications whenever i mean we. We lose these things as time goes on. It's just an inevitable. Part of things but Always definitely wanna talk about him at least reflect on them while we are here on the show a couple of other smaller pieces of new charlatan. It was announced to the salad cup. No pegasus for For charlatan and With that gustav also retire. Which i don. I don't think we talked about. 'cause i don't remember hearing about it until i read it yesterday. But a ghirma math wizard now apparently drawn in independence hall coastal defences invited as well to the pegasus worldcom. I feel like if you have a decent horse and you want an invite quote unquote like. I feel like if you just call gulfstream and be like. Hey can we get an invite like. They'll give you an invite not. I'm not saying that to like cheapen the race. But i think that's the case with a lot of invitationals like there's just not enough horses and good horses to go around at this point and so you know. Everybody takes their everybody. I just think if you have you know maybe you want an ice allowance. Maybe one a small stake or something. You'd probably probably give a invited least. Let's take a quick time out very much looking forward to our conversation with tim yaqeen. We will do that right after. This break is a tuesday edition of jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires not only offers the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device. But we also have great offers for our players visit twinspires.com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick or bonuses to win sheri- thoroughbred to harness. We have present promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offered to find out what options are available to you the jason being burst bracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation. Join host jason bean. Has he discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every monday through friday. The show can be found at twin spires dot com or on i tunes spreaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires are back here on the jason remorse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires and please welcome in. Our next guest is multiple grade. One winning trainer based in southern california. Very happy to welcome in timmy. Activity to the show tim. How're you doing. Good thanks for having me on april. I appreciate you taking the time to chat with so. We're speaking on a monday an off day from the races. I was curious. What a normal monday for you looks like during the santa anita meet and normal mondays Sunshine and eighty degrees looking at the san. Gabriel foothill we. We're pretty blessed to have the setting we house With the thing variables in the background so It's a normal routine or go to the track and we continue to train so Nothing out of the ordinary on a monday. Because obviously the the covert protocols going on everything. Mostly the same for you guys. It's been in the fall and last summer are are you kind of getting used to everything at this point. Yeah yeah we're getting used everything The biggest challenges are the people that wear glasses. Like pay to keeping it from fogging up so you can see where you're going but yes. The backside is maintained It's normal routine Obviously there are only essential workers allowed on the backside and but other than that It's very much a normal routine. Our owners allowed to come out and that kind of changed. Your you know having to kind of communicate with the owners as far as updating them on their horses. If they can't come out you know Owners can come out to watch their voices train in the morning in our viewing stand so we have a really big fan so they're able to spread apart Quite easily but they're not able to come back to the bar. Gotcha which many of our owners miss you know a lot. Several of them like to connect with their voices and aren't given that opportunity but it's a small sacrifice that temporary prairie. And hopefully we'll be able to move on and do the next phase once we get this behind us. You had a second place finish over the weekend with the big talker. Just his third start but it seemed like it was kind of a big move forward for him this time finishing second. What were your thoughts on the effort. Yeah exactly so. He had a couple starts down at delmar. He really wasn't mentally there but he was physically fit and ready to race and And his performance sort of validated where. He was mentally at that time. So we regrouped. We gelded get a little more time to come around and I definitely think he made a big step forward in the right direction and we were pretty happy with his effort. Wish we had a little more of a ground saving trip but again sometimes there's a blessing and everything and you'll be able to run against maidens and get a little more education before he goes against winners once he graduates his maiden race. I notice a lot of your horses. Have big in the name. do you ever get them. Confused one big to another well. We just started calling them by their last name. So yeah i hear you. I but then You know that was something that george wanted to take advantage of and trying to promote his stallion that You know feel will refer to him by chick talent. I remember when the when the kittens all came out when ken ran and it was kind of the same thing right like you're kind of trying to establish a brand name it makes sense but like working as a race caller. I remember like okay. Which kitten is this coming up now. They all have the same silks. That's the other thing. Tricky yeah exactly joining us here on the program. You guys got off to a fast start at the meet with mutual unusual. Taking the bobby frankel. I know you work for some big hall of famers on the way up. We'll talk about that in a second. But did you ever pass with bobby. Frankel at all. yes i did so Spent quite a bit of time. bobby was primarily based at hollywood park so was able to spend quite a bit of time over at hollywood. We viewed our horses from the same platform the viewing stand and So yes I heard a lot of stories witnessed a lot of His big horses go through Their races and campaigns and Was able to get his take on. You know his thought. So yeah it's been. I've been pretty lucky in my career has been around some just great great or spent yeah and It's it's the joy of the job you know. Be looking to the stories of these great horseman and Here their take on it yet. Muccio unusual i mentioned winning the frankel. I imagine you guys thrilled with that performance. Coming out of the breeders cup and getting a big win right away with her to to even though it's the end of twenty twenty kind of kick start this new year right. Yeah absolutely so We sorta mucci. She's been a very very consistent filly but up in Up until del mar You know we had shipped out to keeneland and Sort of sum it up know we. We had gone through almost a year without winning a race but she'd been constantly knocking on the door and you know in grade ones as well and so it was nice to to knock out the rodeo drive. She was in good form. The radio drive was Winning you're in with the breeders cup. We you know took a We didn't have the best trips. In the breeders cup would Never won the race but possibly could have run In finished in a better position. But that all being said you know we regroup gave her a little breather. Came back in the bobby frankel and you know. She got back to her. Form had a great trip with johnny b and So we're looking forward towards Starting the year off and We might even see her this weekend. Again in the megahertz cutting back in distance. We'll play that by ear since The megahertz coming up a little bit light Haven't brought her back in her career to my recollection on such short rest but she breeze fantastic yesterday and We just might take a shot and Runner in in the mile race there with a horse like that. It'd be do you guys generally lay out in term kind of campaign or they're just enough things that can happen along the way that you just like. Let's just kind of take it one race at a time and see how we're doing know generally i'll map out like You know disgusted with george will have mapped out A few races and do some if fans you know And so unfortunately with the way that calendar is set up. I think We can say for all of north america right now. There's a there's a void for a division of affiliate. And mayor's going along on the graph. So anything you know an excessive you know if you wanna go a mile and an eighth mile quarter for the next couple of months. There isn't really anything The santa ana is going to be the next Mile and a quarter race. Coming up here at santa anita so i think it would be advantageous if You know go stream or her. Anita wanted to take advantage of getting Some of these long races for these Graphs mirrors and get some black type on him. Because you would get some really really quality mares to compete in because there's no place for them to go so unless you want them all basically to take a break so they're all pretty much. Having to cut back to a mile. I think got enough Phillies in that division. To where you can split your mile division and your mind. Linda quarter division dates and clinton might take. If i was raising secretary. I would definitely take advantage of that. Very unique races right like a mile. Just place completely different than a mile and even a mile and an eighth race at sandy. That feels like you know plays out a lot differently in terms of pace and scenario and stuff without a doubt without even from the moment of going into the first turn much long run it going into the first turn may scenario the whole the whole rates is completely different. I agree to joining us on the head. You i get into the sport of horse racing you know basically got into it. I came to this country going to date here. July fourth nineteen eighty two and landed right next to Los alamitos well yeah and Yeah so I needed a place where i could walk my bike to work and also municipals ideal scenario and Started at los al eventually Hooked up with bob over there and That was in the mid eighties. And from that moment on we'd always discussed that we're gonna merge over to the thoroughbred industry and you know. Basically migrate into the thoroughbreds and phase out the quarter horses It took a little bit but It finally materialized. Then how i ended up getting into the industry. It sounds like so it wasn't a family thing which obviously it is for a lot of people. What was your family like. Wait a minute horse racing. You're getting into horse racing exactly. Yeah you're you're you're shoveling one for. You can make a living doing that. I don't think so. Yeah Yeah that was the exact response the but it's been good. It's been a great journey for myself and my family and my wife's in the in the game as well. And i met my wife in on the backside. The rest is history. You mentioned bob. Obviously bob baffert and you know when that transition period was going on. I mean you know. It's they're the same sport but obviously they're very different. It's usually different owners. It's different connections everything. You kind of said that that. It wasn't maybe as quick as you expected. But i mean i have to think that's a big undertaking because obviously he's grown stable to be one of the you know the top ones in the world right so fortunately A couple years in into May joining bob's Barn mike at also Join us as an owner. My peg so Mike was very much his father was already in. The thoroughbred industry and mike was and Mike had a mutual friend How earnhardt and so That tell how earnhardt with one of our big donors in the quarter horses. And that's how that sort of materialized. And mike was You know very adamant That we Get into into the thoroughbreds. And he wanted to see in. He had all the confidence in the world. That bobby would be successful. And he was he was sort of our what do you wanna call it. Our our our our way of travelling into To into orbit industry is financially and You know We had a couple of other owners. That were very excited about getting into the Thoroughbreds as well. So i remember when bob and i i came over here in santa anita way the grandstand. They set up. You have these red stairs were General admission is and then you have the everything you take him up. Go in the box scenes. Well we have to stand on the red stairs because they wouldn't let us into the boxy think things have changed a bit for bob. I'm still standing on the red stairs but Yeah so remember. Our our hearts pounding when we Claimed our first horse and just going come there. Bent it like ed. It's been a lot of fun. We have a lot of laughs. I'm always fascinated by because most trainers go to work for someone else as they're getting started. And you also get to work with charlie wittingham for a number of years before going out on your own. Is there a formal education process. When you're working with the trainer. i mean is there. Obviously you have assistance now or is it just kinda you do the work and you kind of pick up and learn what you can. I think You obey has has A program but from the horsemanship side. I think it's just basic league getting into an outfit. That you feel is going to be able to help you and you can help them and it basically you just work hard is if you haven't done everything in the bar. Then it's difficult for you to manage It would be like any other industry if you come in and you try and man it something that you actually haven't done yourself probably won't be as as easily and fluent ends If you've been there and you've done it you have an idea. So you know i literally. I started filling bath buckets for horses. Getting bad you know A walking horses doing stalls haunting know doing it. All man and But this way you have an understanding of everybody's position and i think most individuals on the backside would have probably gone through that steps to join us for just another moment here. You're you're barn size. At least according to equa basin starts and stuff kinda generally maintained a similar sized throughout your career. We've seen the super trainers in the massive barnes for a while. Now how do you feel. It is for a smaller barn right now to compete against such big numbers. In bankrolls of owners and stuff well. I think it becomes it becomes challenging in regards to Being able to keep your horses on that ad you know com- competitive component in larger stables. You might have three or four. You know one other than that are going short on the main track and a smaller stable might just have one so there are times when you're you know you're trying to balance you can't hit every rate with them so you're having to skip them and you know play play the politics That's where you might run into some challenges because You want to keep your voices. Fresh the other as the other stables Generally i train for Some clients are very very good to train for and they always want to do. What's best for their horse and make my job Job easy you know you don't syndicates have have changed the game quite a bit They become a big force in our game. And i think it's it's it's a good thing because it is the risk you know instead of you know you taking the full risk and you can diversify and you still get the same enjoyment so i'm definitely for a big syndicates and And versus buying your risk More people in the game. And that's what we want. Tim really appreciate your time for joining us today. Thank you so much good. Could be on talking over a short time out of jail horse racing. Podcasts brought to you by twin spires. This is jason beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires are thanks to tim yak team for joining us. Hope you guys enjoy the interview. Tim i say it all the time but i love getting to talk to two new guests. New people on the show hear their stories learn about him. My favorite part honestly the interviewing and doing it and actually having the conversations. I love researching about the people know. Of course tim is a name. I know from southern california. I know is horse. I know points off the bench and you know and i know mutual unusual and those types. But you know didn't know that. He worked for for baffert. In for charlie whittingham to know that he came to america and ended up next to los alameda of all places like i loved his line about your scooping. What for money. It's so true. I think that you know. There's so many people in racing yacht. We always hear the you know the turn born into the sport. And there's a lot of that and i know for a lot a lot of people i know hate that like i don't. I'm not born into the sport. My dad was a gambler. But like i had no connections to anybody and racing but like i don't begrudge that kiss to me family business like a good thing You know is it fair. That people who are connected might have other advantages now. But like i feel like that's just the world right. That's most things most jobs I don't know how say like whenever we talk to people. How did you get into the game. Like ninety percent of them aren't like tim where they stumbled into it like they were introduced to it from their parents and their family. And i. i know it's frustrating. I know a lot of people. Hate the the nepotism that happens in racing in the world. It just doesn't maybe. It's because i haven't been burned by yet. I can't think of like a job. I didn't get because you know. The announcer was sons of the track owner. Or something like that. So maybe maybe. That's why i'm Less stung by that whole idea but big thanks to him. Really enjoy the conversation I do think that it is so important for these smaller. And mid size barnes to be able to to really not only subsist but to to be able to grow and thrive and They're just an important part of the racing ecosystem. I can't imagine how it's already tough enough when you have a lot of these huge barns that you know everything they send out is a favorite everything they send out is very good. Everything they set out is gonna is gonna win. Run big and it's tough for the gamblers. It's tough for the other horsemen and it's tough for the tracks the products. I mean we you know we we. It's so important for us to have a good competitive playing field with with many different folks of different sizes and and when i say sizes a barn sizes able to compete and tim barn. That's always consistently twelve thirteen. Fifteen percent barn. Which is solid on a major circuit like that and Just think they're an important part of the the racing ecosystem so really great to to get to talk to timmy. T. here on the program. As i mentioned tomorrow i am not. I still haven't heard back from two people that i wanted to interview. Who both kinda gave like you know like would mention it to friends like. Hey you'd think so and so let me ask them. oh yeah. They're totally dan. Here's their number. And then they didn't techs so fingers crossed will but if we don't have a guest on tomorrow's show i we'll talk a lot about the lacob day stakes coming up and we'll do some horse player thursday kind of topics thursday. We're doing our five year anniversary show. Which will still be a bit of a regular show. We'll do the news of the day. We'll talk about any topics we want to talk about. but i have a couple of interviews lined up. Mary ramp leany from daily racing form. Who covers sam houston oaklawn and others. we'll talk with mary. She was our first guest ever on the show so i thought it would be apropos to have her on. And then the guy who hired me. Ed america pete laverick. My boss is gonna stop by for a couple of minutes. We'll tell some of the stories of the show getting started of old bed. America of getting threatened to be sued by jockeys and jackie's wives and it was the wild wild west back in two thousand and sixteen. So i will do that on thursday friday. Our buddies in the jury will be here and now we'll of course look ahead to the weekend. So that's what we got coming up on the show over the next couple of days Like i said if if you'd like to share some of your favorite memories whether it's a favourite show favorite guest or any of that kind of stuff for our five year anniversary. Show email me jason. Charles beam at g. Dot com and i would love to include your sentiments in thursday show but other than that i am already to wrap up so i hope you guys have a good rest of your tuesday and we'll see a back tomorrow

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 4/22/20--Guest Joe Talamo

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 4/22/20--Guest Joe Talamo

"Good Wednesday morning you I walk into the Jason Beam Horse Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. It is Wednesday April the twenty second in very excited for our guest today. Joe Talamo grade one winning jockey going to join us on the program. We'll talk about the the move to Oaklawn will talk about his time in California. We'll talk about coming up at Louisiana downs and the fairgrounds and much much more. We'll talk Whitmore Seren. Getty empress and very excited talk with Joe. Talamo of Been I told the story yesterday when I went. I went like at a interview thing when he was like nineteen and I was just like wow. This guy's guidelines such poise for a young kit. And I've always been a fan. I'll blatantly admit so you can know my intrinsic bias going into the interview but The other thing that was cool me as far as meeting Joe was. I met him at Monmouth last year. On Haskell Day my job was to get quotes from the losing writers and kind of come back into the room and Joe had just finished second. It was a hundred degrees. Everybody had to wait around for extra hours to to run the race and it was just not a great scene there and like I went up to him on my. Hey Joel with publicity. Can I get a couple of quotes about the trip? And he stopped and he really took the time to give a thoughtful good answer about the race even though he just got beat a length and I it was just a as a as a media person. It was greatly appreciated. It may be that much more of a fan of Joe. Talamo so Very excited to talk with Joe here in a little bit tomorrow horse player Thursday. We're going to be joined by longtime daily racing. Form handicapper Who's now moved into the world of chart calling but we'll talk handicapping with Dave Litfin who of course published author in the other realm of handicap. And I remember the first time I met Dave was at Churchill downs in the elevator with his wife. And my friend. Steve Perry who is Equa BASE REGIONAL MUCKETTY mark and Steve goes as this is Dave Litfin. I said Hey I read your book and he looked videos. I like jurors so very excited to welcome David Lipton into the program. Tomorrow does that mean. All three days are first time guests this week. I was kind of keep that as a a little bit of a goal. We had Michael on in the old barn show. Nope never mind. Never mind just joe in Davor new. But I've got a lot of great feedback about the interview with Michael. So thank you so much for everybody who who listen and took the time to enjoy interview with Michael Rona Against Joe. Talamo coming up later Dave. Litfin coming up tomorrow in our buddies in the jury on Friday. I had a couple of emails asking about the extra bonus handicapping show. I've been doing for Saturday's and no joke. Within twenty minutes I got to email saying hey. Are You GONNA DO Arkansas? Derby Day do oaklawn that day instead of growth Gulfstream and I was like. Yeah that probably makes sense so I've been I haven't been following Oakland as much as Gulfstream but close so But I think that again when I do those shows. I want it to be more the process and you know kind of how I'm seeing the race in the sequences and the day as opposed to just you know handing out winters and that kind of leads me into our our topic for the top of the show today. And that is you know kind of newbies and teaching and Fan educationor in a better education and all that kind of stuff. We talked about it a fair bit here on the show. I would say we generally talk in a intermediate to advanced level I would say more in the intermediate side of things. It's rare that we'll go back and talk basic fundamental fundamentals and ideas in theory and all that kind of stuff I think we wait. The intermediate waters every once in a while. We'll have a guest on who I think lives in those deeper waters of bet thoughtful. Bet Conversation and it's fun to go tread in those waters. Sometimes but I don't know that I don't know that I would wanna live there all the time in regards to Discussion because I do think our audience is going to be honest spectrum and of course we want to bring people towards that those waters. I don't know why they're waters and not land but they are But it brought up. There was a discussion that came up on social media that I thought would be good to speak about and Matt Dinner. Men had posted a poll on his twitter Matt. The Voice of Golden Gate Fields. We've had on the show several times. And he said what would you constitute as a best bet and his three options where you're most confident pick a value play you love and can be either. It depends and essentially. It was split in thirds. A little more folks your most confident pick as far as I'm concerned that means regardless of price. I just think this horse is GonNa win and value love. I'm guessing people you know six to wonder higher. I think has got a good chance and can be either. Depends are people who can accept both sides of that That question and Andrew Champagne. Who is a blogger and does some stuff for Dr F and is You know kind of been in the handicapping world. I think he I think he wants one. I haven't I can't remember if he mentioned it or not but I think he wants one the Saratoga media handicapping contest. I can't remember though Sandy was Andrew wrote a blog on his website which was Andrew Champagne dot com. Kind of get you know. He I think he his attitude towards fan education. A lot of times is is towards the more beginner. And so you know he wrote about the question Matt Post and kind of about why he thought he could you know provide a a substantive answer and and then he went on to kind of explain his answer and he shouted out a few people that we all know. And you kind of Said you know for he is the example of Saratoga you know in a pre pandemic Sarah Summer Saratoga. An overwhelming percentages of people aren't looking for Game Theory. At least not when they walk through the door. They don't WanNa be people talking down about tickets structure takeout breakage or any of the number of topics you'll find racing enthusiasts complaining about on a consistent basis. I take a little umbrage with the term complaining while there is some of that I think a lot of it is more people passionate about the idea of making substantive change in the racing world so he says now these folks just want to cash if you tickets. They shouldn't be judged negatively for that with that in mind. I think he heavy favorite isn't gonNA lose. I'm not just going to put the horse second on principle. My job is to is that pick box is to pick horses to run first second third. I think an overwhelming favourite is the days most likely winner. I'll put that horses. My best bet in the pick box without much hesitation also noting we have top longshot designation as well One of his counterparts says is more important than to win. Which of course it is. The game is about making money but again looking at it. Through the Lens of someone doing a A pick sheet or kind of newer fan education now and so he goes on and talks about. You know they're hopefully. That is a bridge that leads to talking about tickets structure or betting theory. Or what have you and You know there's there's little parts I disagree with what I but what it spurred me to think about was. How was I taught in the beginning? My Dad taught me how to read the form. I think that's a common tale for a good sizeable chunk of people that are involved in horse racing. They learn how to read and handicapped from their dad. Their mom the grandma. Whoever took him to the track I there's also a segment I've met. I've had plenty of people who have interact whippet of said they kind of stumbled across it and just have been learning it themselves but I know for me. My Dad taught me how to read the form. I was not taught any kind of theory of betting or odds or anything like that. I knew what the odds were but I was essentially taught to look for who I think the winner is and Tibet them. Now I think about when I turned nineteen twenty twenty one. I remember buying the Parkers pick selections at Emerald Bounce which they still do it John Lee is a guy that doesn't and John gives his top. Three picks gives a reason why they're going to win and regardless of price he price is not a factor because he suggests bets at the exact same structure and cost point for every race. The exact are always you know one two with one two three four one two one two three try factors are one two with one to three with one two three four five for twelve bucks or six bucks played fifty cents and and that's kind of it and it's so it's it's a pick sheet and I remember very much following that model now. I don't know if it was. I didn't know who partners picks was at the time I just knew he was the the sheet at the track so when I started making exact abets and Trifecta bets I literally followed that model to a t one two one two three three four five didn't matter if the one in the two were eight to five and four to five. It didn't matter if they were twenty two one or thirty one. I bet it the same way. And not not on his picks on my picks but with with his structure and suggested structure and so the lessons were painful and looking back. I kind of wonder you know. I wish somebody would have told me. Okay well why are you doing the exact same size ticket? Same amount regardless of opinion or price. 'cause you're risking twelve dollars to make forty dollars in one race your whiskey twelve dollars to make three hundred and another race. Y and I wouldn't have had a good answer and I think that you know when we talk with Jake Williams the other day you know paying your tuition as Jake said in one of his Tweet storms is a part of this whole thing. I'd nobody starts out good at anything let alone betting. I know with poker for me. You know I didn't i. I started out. I learned how the game went and I went and got my teeth kicked in When I saw rounders I was when I found out that you could learn and study and do the math on something and you would have possibly an advantage and then I watch rounders. I instantly became so much more interested in the game and I bought books and I studied and I went and I learned. I saw how different I would play when I would take a beat Versus how I would maybe get up early and just kept learning and learning and learning with racing de. I didn't really get what I would call. That thought on things until really the last few years after I mostly stop betting and it's kind of a shame looking at from a customer standpoint because I literally got my teeth kicked in for years and years and years because I had no clue how to approach it other than okay. I'M GONNA try to pick the most likely winner and that's how I'm going to bet it And so going back to what. Andrew's saying I don't necessarily dispute what he's saying in terms of somebody who's maybe just coming out for a day or whatever but I do think that it's not unreasonable to try to give newcomers at least a semblance of information about smart betting. Maybe it's just a simple of look. Here's my best bet at the day but if it below three to five. It's not my best day anymore This is a horse I would only take it even money or higher And you know the reason being I think that for me. Best Bet is a horse that? I think chances are are much greater than the price being offered in the sense that if I think a horse is GonNa win this race every third time and I'm getting seventy one. I'm getting a greater price worded it wrong the first time you guys know what. I'm saying but if I'm getting seven one on horse I think wins the race every three times. And that's my best opportunity to get a higher chance win horse for a higher price. That's my best bet. And I I loved when when I worked with Brad Thomas at Monmouth Qazi would say that to people who would come up to him not necessarily newcomers to people. Hey Brad who's us the best bet that he would say I don't know I haven't seen the odds board yet. I don't think it's wrong to include some bedding theory discussion ideals as opposed to just cold winters I think everybody has I think we we're all taught initially about the just pick winners Idea of things. I think it's really a mistake When you when we were learning poker when the poker boom happened You know they didn't. They didn't necessarily. I mean they talked about the basics but they were showing you high level players and telling you why they were doing what they were doing and so and I think people I think people get would get more attracted to racing if they knew it was a game. Where look there's a science to this? It's not it's you know there's a there's an art to it. There is a in a mathematical thing to it. And let me show you what I mean by that. You know this horse is going to be the favourite. It's one six in a row But it's trying a new surface and it's trying to turns for the first time everybody's going to be betting this horse so we're going to try to go with this other horse or hey. This horses won five in a row. It's edits class level. I think it wins. This horse three out of every race three out of every four times so I'm demanding that I get you know three to five or higher. Whatever you know odds cores late with being a profitable financial move And again I realized. That's not so simple when you're printing out a one page sheet but I mean I. I liked having the debate because I know people are coming at it from different experiences and different situations for me. I think I hurt myself for a Lotta years because I was coming at it from that stance of Just going to try to pick winners. Because everybody can pick winners. At a certain percentage the best of the best of the best handicapper still percentage wise. If you make them pick a lot of races are going to pick not a ton more than you. In fact some of the best ones might pick less than you. They're just going to pick the right ones at the right times. And so it's an. It's an interesting topic to discuss. I would love to hear your feedback. particularly maybe you know. How did you first learn about the races? what was it that maybe changed your You know how you saw betting the Horse Races and hopefully lead to an improvement in your game whether it made you a winning player or whether it made you very winning player or maybe it just made you less of a losing player. I get that a lot of people just want to play on the weekends. They WANNA put a couple of hundred bucks in windows. And there's nothing wrong with that but I do think as a game we should approach it as. Hey if you know if you WANNA come out and have some fun. That's great but let's let's talk about the fact that you can go to the track and with a plan and with some basic information. Maybe do better than you would if we just kind of told you here. Here's our top five picks so always love your guys feedback would love to hear back from Jason Charles Bieb g mail DOT COM. Let's get to our interview very excited to welcome in Joe. Talamo will do that after the short time. Addison Jason Beam horse racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires is your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world sign up today and take advantage of our one hundred dollars. Sign up bonus when you wager. Five hundred dollars has twin spires player. 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Talamo to show. How are you? I'm good how `Bout Yourself. Hey doing good appreciate it a big weekend for in the books for you guys. Oaklawn and I wanNA talk about that but just kind of starting. How are you in the family doing with the quarantine over and hot springs? It sounds so far so good out here. It's I I tell you what it's it's somewhat normal capacity. I mean besides John you know restaurants and such a close but I mean everything else is running pretty smoothly Especially with the Trag me and open a little a little different without spectators but nonetheless. We're on just very fortunate to keep raising. I know from going over there myself. Like it's a great outdoors place. Are You and your family outdoors? Hiking Kinda folks you know. It's funny that we actually just saw for the first time today. Went on went on a hike after It was right. I'm not name or yeah. It was hot springs National Park. Actually we went a little hike absolutely gorgeous. You could actually My wife took a Lotta pictures. You could actually see Oakland Park from the from the top there and and it was perfect. The boys got run around so on the net and now they got to get some energy out. Have you written it Oakland much before or ever really been the hot springs? I mean I know I know it's not far from where you grew up in Louisiana but but had you been back there much before you made this move you know not really Probably just a handful of times. I I Flew in and road Wrote the fantasy and Arkansas Derby I think once And I think yeah just just a handful of times before that. The the meat there. Obviously it's as you said well known for the big crowds and and I think it's just bizarre to ride a grade three grade one or big prestigious races with like five people. It's it's very strange because I remember not only this weekend but but You know weekends pass always wells fortunate to win a couple of steaks. I mean it's on the kind of Roared across especially at Oakland Before and after the wiring for it to be just kind of silent after it. It's it's definitely It's interesting to say. The least. What's kind of the setup in the jocks remind now? Have you guys had to change kind of your day to day? Approach to to be in compliance with the with everything. Oh absolutely and and actually I give I give credit toke. On that. Really they were on to me at the forefront pretty early on with everything as far as You know before and after every reason they make us you know sanitize your hands and stuff like that. They didn't really WANNA saw shaking hands or too close with with too many people and and they're constantly They're constantly you know sanitizing where we are to bat from. Maria's shower area You know not too many of us like before can go into our all at once. You know there's only so many And then they open with no fans being there. They opened up the grandstand at the bottom. So a lot of us can kind of hang out down there so it's been It's real been running pretty smoothly. I remember after the one of the stakes. I think it was the day before rebel. There was the video of you and Sean. Payton shaking hands in the winner's circle and of course it was found out that he had tested positive. I have to think there was a period there where you were a little nervous about that. I had you know it's funny. You say that I don't know I don't really get stressed too much but that that was actually a very stressful time us. I you know I knew. I didn't have any symptoms whatsoever and that happened on a Saturday and I had already written Sunday in most of the day. Thursday when I found out You know it's it's it's different because if I if I take off and say oh I might be sick. Well technically everyone else in their sick as well so they would call. So you know. I didn't want to be responsible for you. Know having that happen but at the same time if I did have it. I didn't want to get anyone sick either. So I I actually spoke to on Mr Lucille and the Track President and He he was he was Pretty Enemies said look. We talked to the State Health Department of Arkansas. And the governor said you're pretty much pretty much good to go so I mean I was. I was pretty happy with that. Just because they said it before and after that we put him pretty much on complied with everything that they had going on as far as sanitize and all and You know I mean that was obviously over a month ago and I've been great sense and an excellent. Everyone else says too. I'm glad we glad we got over at the. Yeah I mean I imagine that was that whole ordeal is just crazy and the thing is like you get out. You take pictures winter circle you get off a horse. I mean you've been shaking people's hands after that situation for twelve years thirteen years now. Oh without a doubt I mean. That's that's that's part of the game to an and actually that's kind of my personality. I'm always like to hug and shake people answer. It's kind of. It's kind of a weird town here where it's like. Oh you bump elbows or or fist and stuff you know Kinda Kinda interesting ties but again if that's what it takes for us to keep going and then so be it through. Talamo joining us here on the program when you decided to make the move back east. Obviously you're a name that a lot of trainers know but do you and your agent have to kind of go do some ground work early on or even before the meat just kind of drumming up business and get your name back out there. Oh without a doubt especially on you know quite a few trainers I knew You know just from from Growing up Roy at the fair when it's put I mean that's definitely a lot of new trainer said at Oakland with pork and without a doubt had you know go around introduce myself and and You Work Pretty Orbit. That's that's kind of my personality anyway. I I By no means that I think anything was going to be handed to me to speak. You can still go out You know beat the drums around the around the area and try and work hard. And that's I think that's Kinda helped me my whole career really's is just so you know. I know I know I've never been to most talented joke but I know as far as working hard. I'm definitely up there and I think that's really made a big network. I'm always fascinated by the agent jockey relationship and in California. You were partnered with Scott McClellan. Who has a great history of not only good writers but also very long relationships and you guys had been together for a while. I would think that leaving that partnership was was maybe one of the tougher parts of making a move. Oh without a doubt in And I actually when I talked to Scott about it You know absolutely I said man. Look if you if you WANNA if you WANNA come. I would love that but I mean he's he just wanted to stay in California which I don't blame him believing he and I I know. He has Umberto responding now but I mean if he would retard after that now I mean. He's he's definitely hall of Famer the as far as age just for having You Know Yeah Chris McCarron for I think. Twenty twenty five years. Alex Elise Dour mcchord and I. I don't think he said I think he had me for thirteen fourteen years. I can't say that we ever had an argument. We we had a really good working relationship. it you know as far as picking horses up pretty much left at strictly up to him whether it worked out or not that's To me that's pretty much part of business. He would you know he would ask me about a few horses that I've written in my opinion but for the most part I just left that up to him and we we had a really good working relationship and to this day I mean he's he's still consider them family really. You know what I mean for being being non together that long you pretty much watch me when I was you know. Seventeen eighteen thirty well. Almost GROWN UP. Still a kid join. Did you first get to meet Whitmore? Fool Man I I'm glad I did I actually got on him. I I never did work. In the morning I worked. I worked against them It was actually when I first got here for Rama. Quit when when I started working for Different trainers in the mornings and And I found out that I was going to ride them and I never did work on. But I worked against him. In boy would've would've horse. He is an and not only in the afternoon but in the morning. And he's he's definitely a handful to say the least and in a good way and Boy what a what a race and I said that this past week until a bunch of people I mean. There's really hats off to Rama. Quit I mean his. His training and conditioning job with that horses is really remarkable. I mean you could. You can almost say. He's in the best form of his career in horses seven. You know what I mean so that. That's that's just saying something wrong training your I mean he hit the board. I think all three Derby preps at Arkansas which is now four years ago and so he's had an amazing run at Oaklawn Park and let's talk about the count fleet because on the replay. It looks like you guys pretty much had a pretty great trip. I mean I guess you could say a little bit wide but to me you were just kind of out in the clear and and moving best. Yeah absolutely he actually put me a little bit closer than I would've thought would've been 'cause he can he can kind of break bad sometimes when he when you I Know Ron's been school and I'm quite a bit but sometimes especially when I wrote them in January. Sometimes he doesn't like to load and then when he gets there he can be a bit fractious so so it it doesn't it doesn't surprise me if he leaves their Step slower but then he gets right into action but he he broke. Manny broke so short this past weekend and like I said he put me close and then I then I thought would have been but at the same time I was. I was Kinda glad because I mean he. He was pretty much in the catbird. Seat spot there and You know with the with those few horses in front of them You know I was glad I was glad that we we were just going to have a clean trip from their import. Turning for home he He he sure started stop and and he's a pretty smart horse who when he gets in front. That's one thing. Ron told me about him early on when he gets in front of. We'll wait a little bit just to make sure to you know. Stay busy on them so again. When when he made the lead he made the lead you know. It went on a little bit left at the end as well. You let me into my next question. Because I've heard from a lot of jocks. They'll be horses that I don't WanNa say wait on other horses but maybe the mind. When they don't have a target the mind can can get a loose and obviously with no crowd. They're having maybe he just doesn't realize it's it's one it is but are there things you can do other than kind of Chirp Adam and get after them to kind of keep them focused on business. I mean yeah it depends on the horse but a little bit of everything I mean. Really trying to push as hard as you cannot throw crosses sometimes helps Obviously encouraging them with the crop and stuff like that so it's just a matter of whatever whatever you feel like they're they're on responding from To to try and keep them busy did you. Did you hear what flagstaff coming at the end there? I definitely knew there was a horse common without a doubt that that's why I wasn't but believe me I was. I was still trying to stay busy on but at the same time after why when when he did come to him. He's he's still got dealt with ten so Again that's pretty that's pretty promising that when he's still had a little bit less than Sir. Getting empress an eleventh place finish in the apple blossom and going into the first. Turn when you're when you're not able to leave with a horse like that you kind of have to adjust on the fly when maybe a trip isn't working out exactly how you planned. Yeah I mean that that was definitely didn't WANNA be laying second or third in that race but it was. It was tough. I mean she. She broke okay But I mean those other two phillies inside over broke so hard and I mean I I was I was. I sent a pretty hard and was pretty much. All I mean those. Those are some pretty quick fractions. Twenty two flood forty five and two and I mean we just. We just couldn't get the lead that day I mean But but again she like. Tom said I mean she definitely needs to needs to lead without adult win. So once we I I kind of knew down back once. We didn't get to lead. I mean it's really I mean there's really not much you can do from there. Because they kept. They kept that roaring pace. I was actually surprised. Always always candied laid Stay on for for second at. That was actually pretty amazing. Because she she was she was on. You know up there too as well. Yea Intensive horse that has all horses kind of have styles but is it like a psychological thing that they don't run their best when they don't make the lead or is it just you know they don't want horses around him. Do you have any kind of idea what things I imagine? That's kind of what Tom's trying to figure out right. Yeah and believe me. I've written some of the best horses are bred. And we're like that on. It is absolutely needed to lead on. Sydney's candy who won the Santa Anita Derby on he absolutely needed to lead And I I really don't know why because a lot of times even in the mornings I remember Sydney's Candy. John Taylor we would always saw him. Elaine offer horses to relax and he would fly by finished volume. Probably for whatever reason just could not do and then in the afternoon Some believe me. I'm still trying to figure out that with with some horses but I I. It definitely isn't psychological thing because you know obviously if they can do in the morning you would think that it could transfer afternoon but For for some of them. It's it's not an and again some some really really good horses like that. They just absolutely have to be in front. And if not They they They will not perform you. Know when you mentioned Front types. I thought about obviously who was a really tremendous front runner that used to ride. Oh he yeah. That's that's another prime example Yeah I mean we. We won I don't know how many great one miles on the on the turf out there in California. But he was another one. I mean I would absolutely not run at all. If if he was laying off of horses and Just absolutely needed to lead and believe me. He said some toward fractions. Some days I mean he he would go even go. Forty five flag on a mile and and Just just absolutely keep going which Which is pretty amazing. Joe Talamo joining us here. I wanted to ask about the early years of your career. I remember it was twenty six. When you got started and went to Louisiana downs. To start was what was it that made you decide to go up. North as opposed to maybe start down at fairgrounds evangeline or something. You know it's interesting so my my birthdays actually in January. So when I I turned sixteen and January. My my plan was factually stored at the fairgrounds But that was that was during Hurricane Katrina so I think I think that year to fairgrounds with was They ran into Louisiana down that year. I believe it was kind of interesting circumstances and then I I finished My parents were. My parents really wanted me to graduate high school but somehow I talked him into letting me finish my tenth grade year and then get home schooled online on to this day. That's probably the greatest feed in my life. Talking about past led me do that because believe me they were very adamant about me. Finishing High School in an on going to college but You know thankfully they let me do that so I was able to all right after right after wrong. Finishing school down started at Louisiana downs. That's summer and And then I went to right after that I think I went to Delta downs just for Co fairgrounds and and And then once the fabric store and I think that's what really escalated my career Had really good success there. was very fortunate to our good trainers and and that was when Bobby Frankel of all years brought a string down there and I was able to ride and win for him. And then that's when he wanted me to go to California to see how I liked it and and Really Arrest Stayed stayed there ever since I remember seeing you interviewed at Hollywood Probably around twenty zero nine. It was kind of a pre-race thing I think Kurt. Hoover was doing it but I was so pressed with with your poise and kind of apparent confidence and I thought you know the to move across the country. Such a young age and work in a pressure filled career. Like that in writing for people like Bobby Frankel and stuff one of those first. Few years. Difficult in terms of nerves or home-sickness did your youth. Maybe work to your advantage like. Hey this is fun you know without a doubt. I think youth worked to my advantage because I I I really didn't have a clue how it was going to work out and I really care and and what I mean by that was I was having so much fun doing it. It's like you know what this is. This is this is like almost you know cream of crowd. You know what I mean. Whatever happens happens side and believe me when I went off to California. It's not like I had any goal of doing this doing that. It was pretty much. Let's see what happens. Hopefully we do well you know and and thankfully it worked out. It worked pretty. Well I suppose when you're seventeen eighteen you just don't have the thoughts of a career. At that point right yeah absolutely and in you know from my career's winning them. Things I started going to the race track when I was seven or eight years old. Which again worked out to my advantage that you know just seeing notifies and lows of the school at at such a young age you know what I mean so I was I was very fortunate at a young age. You Know Not. Only success seems to be pretty easy to handle for anyone but fail. You could be the worst so you know. I've always been good at you're GONNA if you're winning at twenty twenty five percent you're losing at seventy seventy five percent. You know what I mean. So it's real important that you know handle handle lose him better than you can handle success so I think that's what helped me early on learning that And and the rest kind of kind of carries its own. We talk about that. A Lot with just with horse players to most of your bets are not going to come in and so you have to get used to capitalize when times are good. We'll joe really appreciate takes time. It's really exciting to see things going well for you over and hot springs in wish you the best one things move over to. Kentucky sounds good. Thanks for having me Jason Shaded Bara Joe Talamo joining us right back after a short time out Jason being worse bracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires is your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation join host Jason Being Pass. He discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires dot com or on Itunes stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason Beam. Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. This is the Jason Beam horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. Rabbi thanks to Joe Talamo. That was fun. That was fun. Good on you Joe Really enjoyed the conversation. What was cool after we hung up Joe was like hey man so where where are you based to sit and talk for a few minutes afterwards? So that was Kinda cool I was. It's funny. There's sometimes you interview people where as you're doing the interview you know. They're kind of at a certain level. You go off the air. I usually will hit the stop button. And then I'll say hey so. Thank you so much for your time. I know our listeners will appreciate it. I appreciate that. And you'll hear like their voices. Okay thanks bye. It and some people are in a hurry. I it's not a. It's not a judgement thing but while your guests like hey. Isn't that go okay? You know in the no the want to go into a separate conversation and it's always Kinda fun when when it does go that way. But I've been on both sides of that as an interviewee as well. I'm GONNA do the Gino Buco show again gene has been doing. All these wrestlemainia reviews did one with a week or two ago. And we're GONNA DO WRESTLEMAINIA Four. This week I try to not. I'm not even I mean I haven't watch wrestling outside of Wrestlemainia a couple years but like as a kid. I was a huge wrestling fan. So it's fun to have those Daljit chats and I like to talk to Gino to and you can find his show over at. That's what Gee said wherever you find your podcasts. Gino's good dude. I was left getting to talk with him. And speaking of good dudes. We're GONNA have Dave lifted on the show tomorrow for a horse player. Thursday segment talk some handicapping in more with with David. Life in in racing Coming up tomorrow and then our POWs and the jury will be back Friday. We'll look ahead to the The weekend festivities as we get closer to Arkansas Derby. Did you see the list of nominees and for that race? Good Lord I mean it makes sense. You know it's the only kind of show in town in terms of you know potentially racing for that much money with a three year old in the spring for for possibly quite a while we know Santa Neat is expected to hear a decision on. What's going to happen in southern California pretty soon? I talked to a talk to one of my sources on the ground Who works kind of in the administrative world of California racing and he had said that they were hopeful to hear something and this is. I'm speaking on Tuesday. They are open hair something that night or possibly Wednesday or Thursday so we shall see what happens with a you know and it and it could be a situation where hey they them start running as soon as possible or they might say look. Let's give it a few weeks and maybe come back in middle of May and they very well could just say look. We're you know no other sports are going you neither you guys So we'll see what happens and You know we're all we're all waiting right now but I think it's okay to be waiting and we I've gotten I've gotten a lot better. The idea of like look I just got except what is what is i`ve. I've found that I wake up a lot of these mornings and I'm like it's still happening isn't it? Is You want to do stuff. I had the craziest dream last night. Jim Miller from Hawthorn If you guys were. We've had jim but it was a while but he's the TV host. And kind of Mr Everything at Hawthorn. I had a dream that he was in a moving van and I was in a second moving van and we were driving on the freeway and Seattle and somebody was chasing us with a gun. It was freaky and Jim was like really calm. He would like message me on the radio. Rj'S WE'RE GONNA take a write up on forty fifth year and back hard GM and the shots fired. And Jim was just totally chill. It was very strange. I have dreams like friends from racing or twitter like once every couple of weeks and it's always a little weird because it's like why you know it's it's I don't mean this to say I mean Jim always got along fine but like we're not on their chatting every day like I you know I. I don't interact with Jim all that much. I like him when I met him. He was great. But like it's just funny that he would be the one that POPs into my subconscious in a dream strange. Our brains are strange things. Thanks again to Joe Talamo. Thank you do you guys for listening again. You can always reach me Jason Charles Beaming G MAIL DOT COM. We will be back tomorrow with Dave Litfin for player Thursday. Hope everybody has a great rest of your Wednesday.

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Trainer Talk with Don Chatlos

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

58:18 min | 1 year ago

Trainer Talk with Don Chatlos

"This is trainer talk on the verse Racing Radio Radio Network presented by Phasing Tipton, but it all. A super. Wins. The salt, we'll get the've ask season career win number six thousand. It was all out another dugout nail. Trainer. Six Als Rosie. Trainer Gary Contessa his two thousandth career win on dialed in never got. It was animal Capetown's grandma. Steve Hobby with career victory of a one thousand old broads now. Here's Mike Pana. Hello, everyone, and welcome to the show trainers listen to. This is trainer talked presented by Phasing Tipton on the Horse. Racing Radio Network Mike penna baron of the backstretch coming to you from my home studio. My producer lead Elefsina is back in our main studio in the heart of the Bluegrass, Lexington Kentucky, and as always you are listening to the program live throughout North America on Sirius to nineteen. XM, Channel Two, Oh, one or you're tuned in to our free live streaming or the archived podcast of the show and you're doing that on our website at horse racing radio dot net. While today's guest has saddled a total of forty six winters, which includes a breeders cup winner, but that number only tells a very small part of his story, and would likely be much much higher. Had he not spent more than four years working as an assistant to Hall of Fame Trainer Jerry Holland door for? Early last year if you recall Hollander, for came under intense scrutiny, after four of his horses died in southern California a time when Santa Anita was making headlines for a record number of horse fatalities, the New York Racing Association then followed the stronach group in banning all of juries, horses from competing at their tracks in all of this has led to today's guest, making a return to training on his own, and I am really looking forward to visiting with trainer chat loss on this edition of trainer talk presented by Phase Tipton Don. Thanks for taking some time. Welcome to the program. Hi Mike thanks for having It's been quite a year, hasn't it? It. It really has. Yeah, where DO WE START I? Mean how do you? How do you put into words? What this last year has been like for you personally? you know it's been is really been. The high of the high and the low of lows which you know, horse racing. That's what it's known for. you know you're almost a year ago. Right now I was perfectly happy in the job that I had with Jerry. We really had a good report. I'm really a thing going you know, and then June. Twenty second came in Santa Anita made their decision. that. They were GONNA. Put Him out and that started a a you know. One domino fell and knocked down. Many other made a lot of changes. Yeah you described Jerry as being a friend, not just a boss. So, what's it been like to watch your friend? Go through something like this. Very tough to watch you know. You look at a guy. It makes worry as a trainer. Honestly, here's a guy. That's one seventy six hundred races. You know the third you know. Bear asked me. In front of you. And you know he can get put out like that. that that tells you that can happen to anybody. It's. You you just you know that he's getting towards the end of his career in. He's done so much made it to the hall of fame. The hard way from Golden Gate owning pieces of all of his horses and You know to have it come down. He should be enjoying this last part of his career, not going through distress that he's going through. How much conversation do you still have with Jerry? We don't talk that much anymore. You know he's spread out. He had horses that Oakland. They're here at. Churchill now I talked to Dan Ward. His main assistant talked to him a lot on 'cause I can relate working in the same. He worked at the mainstream. second-string you know for the time that I was there and you know. Jerry just has a lot going on right now. Yeah, and and he is able to race horses in his name in certain parts of the country, as I mentioned not in California not in New York and that's kind of where you've been able to step in your good friends with Larry Best. Oh exo equine, who was a client. Jerry Hall Indoor Tell me about that relationship, and and tell me about making that transition now from working with Jerry to training back on your own again. Larry is a good man. I I've been very fortunate to be offered this opportunity that he gave me So you know I'm really appreciative of that not in the the way it came of course. But. you know things happen in life that aren't fair. Decisions have to be made. so you know there was really nowhere for me to go at that point once. They said that we couldn't continue the race at Naira you know then the decision had to be made. Larry had to make a decision, and we switched the horses over to my name and I you know I, guess. It's like pulling the band aid off really fast. It was very unexpected, so you really really didn't have time to think about anything. And then of course, this happens when I'm on the road I'm not even at home in California New York. And so you? Larry's been very patient. You know we've had an okay start, but we could be doing much better. And hopefully that's what we're heading into so that's where we're at right now. Why do you think that you and Jerry? You and Larry hit it off so well? You know he's a blue collar guy from the midwest like me. He's from. Akron Ohio. I grew up in Chicago. You know we Kinda had that team bringing that? Nothing's going to be handed to. You're GonNa work for everything you have, and he's very successful man. You know self made and You know so we kinda. Hit it off. You know from that perspective very from the beginning. Yeah Larry Best Putting a lot of money into this sport he has bought horses at Auction and and you know again done very very well in in his approach to horseracing hut. How do you done describe his approach in his philosophy to to this game? It's it's incredible. How much he's learned in the time that he's been in the short time. Game He, he really studies. I mean he don't just. you know people might see him at the sale. Bidding on these horses and tell you well, you have. Of course you buy a million dollar one, but there's a lot of. Study that went into that. He just doesn't flippantly by You know these horses I seven figures, and he really he really studied the game and he I his business I guess it's been built on his gut, and he relies on that a lot, and that's what he's brought over to this business also and he just goes by feel, and you know so far. It's worked for them. How about your approach and your philosophy when it comes to the training side of things, how do you sum that up? I you know I'm I'M On, the conservative side which. May might not work as much in today's game as it has. In the game that I grew up in I. You know I'm quick to stop on. You know and especially. Being handed the keys to these you know horses that Larry has. You know that you're looking for broodmare. You're looking for stallion. You know you're not just looking to win. The X rays you Kinda, have a plan mapped out for them, and so I've been more on the conservative side stepping on the gas, a little more lately but it's hard for me to get away from that that you know that mentality. I mentioned earlier in my open to the program that you spent many years. Training on your own. You Train Breeders Cup winner, which will talk about I'm sure later in the program here, but then you went back and worked with Jerry Holland door for for about four and a half years, or so and and we've touched on that so. The things that you learned from Jerry that. You're using today to help you with your operation. What are some of those? It definitely made me a better trainer. The time that I spent with him his attention to detail. Every day is the one thing that I could say the most. You know you can't. You. Set up your program to do things. A CERTAIN WAY and Jerry has his program set up obviously seventy six hundred races very successful program, but like he's say you can't just work your program on the days that you got enough sleep the night before or the day after you won three races the day before. It has to be done that way every day whether you're not feeling well whether you ran three favorites that were up to track the day before we came the next day and we did exactly. Exactly the same way. We did it every other day and it takes a lot of discipline to do that. And you know gets to be a ground after a while seven days a week three in the morning. We get there you know. Get All these horses out jogging on the road. Check them every single day, and it takes a lot of discipline to do that and not just take a day off they today. We won't do it and I took that away from him more than anything else. Yeah, I read an article as I was getting ready for the program in one word that you used to describe Jerry and his approach was consistency, and it sounds like that's. That's exactly what you're talking about there. But from golden gate to Santa, needed to Los. Alamos. The three strings we had going I had confidence every day that every place is being done the same way because that's the way he did it forever. Did you say in one article that he's there about three o'clock in the morning every morning, or at least getting ready to go to the barn at three am ono. He's there he's been. You know I used to laugh because him, and I would have conversations like you and I are now at three fifteen in the morning like it was the middle of the day. And he'll one thing. I respect about him so much that he'll never ask you to do something that he wouldn't be right by your side. Doing and it makes the job much easier when it's done like that. Yeah! How about you are you there at three am? I can't get away from it now now that he started doing. Yeah. I continue to do it because I. Don't I just? Feel like that's the right way for me and so I just continued to do it. Yeah, you know the other cool thing that I read. was a quote that you had given somebody from Ron. McNally talking about Jerry. What was that quote? He said that he respected of all the hall of fame. Respect Jerry the most because he did it the hard way you know. He said he didn't have an ELMENDORF for he didn't have a judd mine, or he didn't have one of the big owners that fed him these horses every year that got him into the hall of fame. He you know he did it. The hard way! And again going through a lot right now is a hall of Famer Jerry Hollander for his. He winds down his career I'm talking to his former Assistant Don Chat lows here on trainer. Talk presented by Phasing Tipton all right. Let's let's rewind this here and go back to the beginning You grew up around racing. Tell me about your childhood. Your background being around the races. I, you know. I grew up on the south side of Chicago. son of a trainer uncles trainer. I have an uncle right now. Brian Williamson. That's training. right now. My Mom's side and so I grew up around it in gravitated towards it from you know when I was old enough to hold the Shank. Every weekend you know every Christmas break every summer vacation I was there working, and it kept me out of trouble didn't grow up in the best neighborhood on the south side of Chicago once I got to be a teenager. It really kept me out of trouble because when I realized. If you ever got felony or anything, you would never be able to get licensed to track or would be very difficult to get licensed. it kept me out the straight and narrow, so horses have been a big part of my life and have kept me on the right road for the most part. South side. That's cubs right? It is but it socks north side is called, but I am father. I grew up a cubs fan. Even grope right in the middle of White, SOx territory. So watching them finally vanquished that curse win the world series that had to be a special moment for you. I cried like a baby. Let me tell you. Are. You one of those guys that was anti Bartman. I, you know I felt bad for the guy because I really thought that a lou overreacted to the whole thing. And then you know everybody forgets that Drop Ground Ball on the next pitch that would have been a double play out of the inning. They forget about that. No I I didn't hate tour guy. Do you believe in the goat. Goats, RIA, let. That's. The story is easy, but it is funny that it went from nineteen eight. You know in in made it all the time you know. There was other teams though Boston and Cleveland that it's been a while you know being in La now I give the dodger fans a hard time, and I tell them nineteen eighty eight is new nineteen eight. You know there's there's been teams have as long gaps coming along. Do. You have a favorite. CHICAGO CUBS player. you know I think early on Dave Kingman was one of my favorites because he's hit those powering home runs but Ryan. sambergen probably would be my all time favorite. Yeah. He's a good one to to focus on all class to. He was one of those guys that you never heard about him getting onto the wrong side of any type of conversation whether publicly or privately. Right exactly. Yeah, yeah, great stuff. How `Bout! How `bout the bears! Is it about the bears for you to? Bears Big Bears Fan. Yeah, they used to be. You know when I was training, leading up to single terry that was my webbing. Last night was chat load, so he's Chicago bears see. And use that. They. I remember he had, he had the see on the back of his silks too right. Yes, YEP! Yep that's what I remember. Yes, her, that was. I know we're getting ahead of ourselves. Here 'cause I. WanNa. Talk more about your upbringing but Single Terry what a moment to see him when the Breeders Cup Mile, how special was that? Something else you know you. We went in there with no expectation, so you know it's not like we were saying Oh. We're running alive horse. We have a really good chance. We knew he was honest and we knew he would give us his best whatever that was going to be. That was going to be the outcome, and when he jumped up and wanted to change a lot of people's lives. That's for sure. Yeah when you think back on that particular day and standing there watching him win that race. What what are some of the thoughts that you'd pop into your head right now? Well. I was standing in the tunnel, so if you if you actually watch him, you see I kind of I thought. The wire was in a different spot so I kind of said Oh I think we got it and then realized there was like yards more to go and You know Antonio's pies was still making that run at us. it was just a relief. You know to begin nail down to the wire and be that close probably. Hurt more than just running up the tracks. Yeah Yeah what what made him such a special horse done? you know he just? He was tough. That or see I never had a problem with him. Physically you know he was able to go pretty much through two year old. You know all the way until we retired him without having any real problems and you know. The pedigree was hurt, but he. Was a total accident. We ran them on the grass. The first time because the dirt rate didn't feel and Laterna six and a half downhill. I've always liked that race I started. Because you know they don't get their kicked in their face. They're kind of going. So it kind of keeps them occupied in any one so easy and I was like. Oh, well, maybe we have something here on the grass, and then obviously the rest of history, but he. He just was honest when he trained goody ran well and he never let us down. One of the things I love about doing this program is what I'm getting. Ready I-I others names like single terry that you don't think of necessarily every single day, but when you're prepping for a show like this I, get to go back and look at those horses, and and you'll look up the records and remember exactly how good they were in. Here's a horse that earned more than one point, seven million dollars, and that race in the Breeders Cup Mile and. And for people that don't remember it. Go back and watch the replay. It was the two thousand and four Breeders Cup Mile Lonestar Park. That was a field that included I think Artie Schiller was the favourite if I. IF I'm not mistaken, he had nothing to lose. who people might not remember, but he was pretty tough in his own right, and then six per factions the Philly. The French bread Philly was in there, too. That was a rock-solid field. Yeah, they were good. She had one at the year before six per factions and and You know nothing to lose. Frankly, he was dissecting choice already. Was the favorite. But I'll tell you. What of quick story about Bobby Franklin. What kind of guy? He was so single? Terry Moran! In the shoemaker, which was in May. And my plan was. We weren't gonNA. Run them at del Mar. we were going to stay at Hollywood park and train through the summer there instead of going down to Delaware. And then. Oak Tree had their oak tree mile, which was three weeks before the Breeders Cup. We would run them there the prep. Then we go into the Breeders Cup. So. That's what we did. We ran the three mile and I told David floors as. Trying to kill the horse in this race, and you know if he wins great, but we're just looking to get something out of it because we have to come back in three weeks for the race that we really want. Until you gotTa wide trippy got beat ahead grand third, but three horses on the lawyer I thought he got a lot of it, and you know I was happy with it. So the next morning when I go to Hollywood Frankel, you know who watches everything. He just watched it all. He told me he listened to me. He says I know you're has run since Mesa Zamel six months between races. You're coming back in three weeks. He said. Don't be stupid with that horse now he says you just give them a couple. Easy works and we'll be ready for that right. You know meaning, don't you know? Try to make up for lost time you know in between preparation, the Breeders Cup. It's only three weeks. And so I did he worked five eight. Zero one twice in between. I jumped up and won the race, but you know here's a guy who had the second choice in the race and you know I had a good enough report within that he pulled me. You have a chance here. Be Smart, and that's a lot of people didn't get to see that side of him. Many people think that Bobby Frankel was. Certainly among the greatest trainers that we've ever had in the sport, but a lot of people think he may have been the greatest in some respects. How about you? I'm torn between Wittingham Franken. I can go either way in that conversation, but I definitely to go there to top two for me. What separates people like Bobby Frankel in Charlie Whittingham from. A really top notch trainer what puts them even further ahead of those those types of individuals? They they just had a great feel for their animals. They knew when they were ready when they were right, they knew what button push going into big races they it was just a sixth sense for them and That's why they were very hard to beat on those days. Yeah. I read a quote again. As I was prepping for the show, you described Charlie. Wittingham is being the Michael Jordan of the sport. I love that quote. He you know I came from Chicago nineteen years old I was looking for a great job. And I walked in I con my way through the gate at Santa Anita with my Illinois license, saying that we shipped in a horse or whatever I remember what I said to get into the gate and I walked. The first people I see is leading him bill shoemaker, talking to each other on the road I was tripping over my feet. I was like like I said it was like Michael Jordan I kind of walk by them, trying not to look at them, but wanting to look at them, and that was my introduction to racing southern, California. Have? You watched all of the series the last dance already. I have yes. Wouldn't it be cool to have one on Charlie Whittingham? It would you know he just the stuff that he did with horses? It's forgotten about now the whole different game now, but he was just a master he really was. Yeah it special special trainer all right, so we'll, we'll spend more time talking about those individuals to, but let's continue with that conversation about you growing up in Chicago what I. Tell me about being that I. Arlington Million Don with John Henry in the bar. They had to be pretty cool. It was, and it was you know I was just punk teenager? Then I don't even know how old maybe thirteen years old or something. Who was a groom that worked for? My Dad is the one that told me. Hey, come on, let school or see this race. See Time we just got done. Feeding and I was like what race he's like. First million dollar race. It's race and as like yeah, okay I'm basically just following in. And then I got over there and got to the paddock. And I just remember seeing. MAC and and shoemaker and I just looked different to me I. It look different than what I had grown up seeing in Chicago this this was that started my whole. Wheels turning about okay, if I'm GonNa really do this I need to go somewhere else to do, and how I ended up in southern California. But Yeah, and then you had the race itself I mean you know. They couldn't drew it up any better for the first Arlington million. That's interesting. What was different about the way? The way it looked to you. Just I don't know it. Something struck me the way. mackin Allie was dressed how she was looking at them when they were talking I know. I assume they were talking about the rate. I Dunno, it just had a different feel to it and I was like I wanna be a part of that right there. was there ever a point even? At that time that you thought maybe you were GonNa do something outside of horse racing, or did you always think you'd find your way into sports somehow? Know at that point. It was just could just if I was going to go to New, York or California. which way was I going to go? And, you know through high getting through high school and everything I knew once I got out. Actually I moved to southern California to go to San. Diego State is what brought me there. Okay, figured I could work summers at del Mar and then I only worked one summer at del Mar. I never made it back to school. Wow Oh! Who did you work for Del Mar? Jude Feld was my first job. It was my first job. couldn't have I couldn't have picked a better person to introduce me to. Southern California racing than him. It was it was the perfect fit was total accident and he was just walking down the road and I asked him if he needed a Gherman and he was like yeah, matter of fact, they do and the next day I started and I was at for a couple of years. You talk about the Jude. FELD training tree or A tree. It's got you know. We talk about Lucas a lot with all of his assistants who have gone onto big careers, but I know from from being very close to Jude and people will know that he was my longtime co host here on the network that he doesn't take a backseat to many people when you talk about the people like yourself and Doug O'Neill and Aaron Wellman of eclipse thoroughbreds, who also got his start working with Jude? He's done some Yeoman's work with a lot of people. Absolutely be He's you know. A lot of people are good at what they do, but they're not good. They can't teach somebody else to do it. You very teacher. And like I said he was for me southern. California's different is done different there. Everything's different than. And you know to be able to learn the ropes of southern California racing from him. Made me avoid a lot of pitfalls that people that come from somewhere else you know run into and solar, the great experience the started off with sure. Where did you go after working with Jude? Then I went to I. Went to another small trainer Jeff Copeland Woody. They call them. I was there for a couple of years, but then the big job team with John was the first big job I was there for five years. Kinda teacher was John Sadler. John was very good. He's in my opinion is a hall of fame or himself another one that. Just. He, if I took anything away from him, it was the utmost care that he took of the horses, and he came from the show horse side of two so another one. He had really good feel for horses and how they were doing what they need is, and yeah, he's. He's very good at that. Visiting with trainer Don Chat lows here on trainer talk presented by Phasing, dipped in walking back through the early days of Don. Chat low some of the jobs that he had when he first moved from Chicago to California John Sadler Jude Feld. Ron Ellis was part of that, too, wasn't he? Around the AD. You know a lot of my conservativeness. I always credit that year of single Terry. eighty-one felt to the to the patients that I learned from Ron and you know you only ran six times a year. I spaced it out I. Try to do everything right in I. Believe me a Lotta. Guys have done that too, and they didn't have. Just fortunate for us that had happened, but yeah, a lot of good things I took from with patience, and and I got a lot of the conservative ways that I still have I took him. That word you just used done. Patients is a word that I hear all the time, and I've heard it for eight years on this program talking with various trainers. Why is patient so important for a horse trainer? because. You can see little things, and you could be in denial because there's a big race coming up and you WANNA. Make that race, but you could do things so horse that are irreversible. If you don't. Stop right when you need to stop and. You know not every a lot of guys things I could get away with this, or it's not that bad or in, but then you have these guys that no, no, I know if I press. This is going to get worse and I'm not gonna be able to fix. And Ron was one of those guys that he had that field new which ones need to be stopped on, and which ones go forward with us, so you know I was able to take a lot of that with me and use it myself. He's trainer. Don Chat lows saw. Continue my visit right after this very short commercial break stay with us. This is trainer. 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He didn't really but a little glitch in the audio there, but yeah, wow, what a what an effort by single Terry who wins the two thousand four Breeders Cup Mile at Lonestar and appropriate way to end it to by Tom as he pared down. I'm visiting with Chicago native. Don Chat lows here the horse racing radio network. He is my guest on trainer. Talk presented by phasing tipped in and a special special moment. There I'M GONNA. Continue that visit right after I. Remind you that. If you missed any portion of this show or any of the program head back over to our website, horse racing radio dot net, you can check out the podcast of this show and all of our shows at your leisure. It's horse, racing, radio, dot, net, and horse racing radio network on Apple podcasts. Donna Baird down a blitz coming off the turn. However, you want to describe it. We touched on it in the first half of the program. That was a moment that you're never gonNA forget. No wasn't a Durkan was ready for. That was good I liked it. Yeah you know I had time to spend with tha. I had the privilege of spending time with Tom and his booth and I grew up wanting to be a track announcer and I wanted to be Tom Durkin growing up in the northeast. He was the guy I followed and I. Can I can remember that visit. Where he took out a book, it was kind of a the three ring binder and he had. All kinds of pages with different words in different ways to describe different situations, and this is what made him so good as he had this this this plethora of vocabulary that he would throw in there, and it would be a different way to describe the action in, and he was prepared with the bear down thing knowing that you were a big Chicago Bear Guy. He's he's definitely one of the greatest, and you know he that's one part of it is having that, but then fitting it in where it doesn't sound force is what he was really good at it. Just flow the right way, and you know I always enjoyed call. Yeah, yeah it really really cool moment for you. How many times have you paddled up that replay and watched? TV. You wouldn't forget to let us forget it for a long time, they. You know the little documentary type thing that we were just filming all that stuff for ourselves and ended up giving it. The TV and they made that. Little thing out of IT I. Don't watch it as much as I used to import but you know every once in a while you know outdoor back on and. You Know I. I appreciate the horse more now. You know what sixteen years later not that I didn't appreciate them then, but what he did for us, and how he showed up on that day was just huge. Outside of single Terry who are some of the other really big name horses that you've been around it that are always going to hold a special place in your heart. You know we had some would John Tatler he really had he sprinters. That were just you know in value. P beat that quarterhorse griswald mattress one of my favorite times. ever you know you had all the corridors people from Los Aloe. You know you had Roger Stein on his radio show in the closest that value piece going to get to that quarter. Horses put him into the starting gate all this and to win that race. That was exciting. And He had We had valium impede track. Gal was another one that one a lot of sprints in southern California Frost free was another one Olympic prospect. He had some good ones, but you know then. With Ron we I ain't bluffing. which was really good philly? A few grade one I wasn't there. For exotic wood or twice device we have that really good and then of course with Jerry, never the songbird and unique Bella You know we had. We had a bunch of them their. Song Bird my heart. If I saw spy for one horse, it would be affiliate that Jerry had constellation that one the deliberations with her and I just had a connection I don't know. It was just one of those things that we understood each other. You're and a lot of good races for Jerry. That's your down when i. hear trainers say something like that. We understood each other. We had a connection. What? Put into words what that's like for people that have never experienced it. You feel you go through the morning like I'll get there and the first thing I do is check feet I wanna see who eight. Who didn't am I doing too much with this one might not doing enough kinda. Read the stall and see if they were restless the night before now you do all this stuff and you'd think. Yeah. I haven't read on that. Then stores, does something totally different and you're like? Okay maybe. But then you have those the ones that come along single terry was one this this feeling constellation. She was another one that you know you can read the stalling like. Yeah, we're doing the right thing. Let's just keep doing the same thing. in she's thrives from doing that, and then you'll see your kind of regressing. You know you'll be like okay. We have to change it up a little bit. Not Looking the same and you do and she gets back. You know to where she was, and it just worked, and she was just one. That I just had that feel for. How good was songbird? was really good You know it's a shame we didn't get to see. You know that. I don't think and now the beholder people get mad and I'm not. You know the beat beater on the squared. You know a fair. A fair and square, but I just think that songbird had never had a fight like that. I think if. She would have got the face her again a month from then it would have been a whole different story but you know you can't ask for greater race the Matt. Yes songbird part of Don Chat Laos's time working as an assistant for Jerry Holland door freeze. You heard him say in the first half of the program he spent time when he moved to California would several top trainers and learn from them. He watched guys like Charlie Whittingham Bobby Frankel in how they approach their operations, and and really absorbed all that knowledge like a sponge, and then it. It came time before you got to the to the Jerry. Holland or for days came time for you to go out on your own after working with guys like Sadler and Ron. Ellison, Jude felt. How did you know that time was right on? you know I. I. Just got approach you know. Billy Koch wanted to start in. He had added start had a couple of kids, and he wanted to start another one and him, and I had a really good rapport, and you know we just started with a couple of horses. I'll never forget when I left the secure job around. For one horse, that's all we had so I'll never forget my first day. Not Working for on anymore training on my own, I just looked at that Orson I was like all I. Have you better be the right one? and. You know kind of that was spoon man. It wasn't single Terry and that horse. He was good to see you know world beater, but you know. He got us going in which led into buying the group of horses that single Terry was. And then single carried the flag for a long time. Yeah, the has to be nerve racking like anybody who leaves a stable job to maybe create their own business or go out on their own. You do the same thing you leave Ron Ellis now you. You've got one horse in your care and you're like. Burn bridges. This has to work right. That's it. It's almost the best way to go there. You know failure isn't an option. This hostile work in you know I think. You have to break off completely you know when you try to keep your foot in the door of being in Cincinnati, but being a trainer. Does it work? You have to be all in. That's the only way you can do it if it works out. It works out if it doesn't it doesn't. And you know. This situation is the same you know with Axel. you know I have to make this word. At least you've got the experience to fall back on where you've. You've been there done that and and you've done it before. Is it different this time around than it was then? It is You know obviously a lot older now I I. I'm more focused on the work I'm more focused on the Barnum not. Out At night and you know not Ronin the streets like I was when I was younger and so I'm a lot more focused on. I'm here at the track. Spend a little time talking about some of the challenges that a a new trainer faces when he goes out on his own starting his own business. You know. If you, start off, and you're doing well in the beginning. You have your get approached from every angle. And you know from bloodstock agents to owners you know that are looking for the new up and coming guy and there's a lot of pitfalls that come with that because there's a lot of guys that three on young is donors that I'm really great at paying their bills, but they notice young guys hungry, and he'll take the horses, and and he's trying to get going, and you know it's. It's fine when it worked out, and then horses win raises, and you know you collect your money. The winning, but it's hard to carry. Too, many horses without burying yourself, and so there's a lot of bad and then everybody wants you by horse from. So you Kinda have to have your. Solid base of people around you entrust them, and and you kind of shut everything else out, and you know you ride or die. What your guys! Are you better off having fewer horses and stronger relationships with the people that you are training for, or are you better taking the approach? The Hey, we want as many horses we can get and let's see if we can't get lucky with a big horse. You know I'm I'm way into the quality over quantity. You know I. Think especially in a situation like I mean now with these kinds of versus oxo has you know. You don't WanNa. Lose focus because you have you know these meeting twenties that you're trying to keep together to run in race You know to pat stats or whatever you want your focus to be. You know where you hope. The most success from an animal is GonNa come and you know so I don't know to me. Smaller is better especially when you have a good relationship with that owner or a group of owners, and they pay their bills on time, because the only thing that makes a shadow run is is paying on time and the only way you could do that as when your owners pay. Talking trainer Don Chat lows here on trainer talk presented by Phasing Tipton. Don outside of little red feather. who were some of the other owners that supported you when you when you were training on your own before you got with Jerry? Home I had a Jimmy Janas. One guy that I'm still friends with he has. He's still hasn't horse here and there. Richard Baltic Seas. Good friends about the Suez or with him. He's a great guy. He's a good friend. He helped me a lot. Tony and soon relief Brian Lynch when he took the job to go work for Frankel he gave up he had about a twenty horse stable, and he sent a couple owners, my way in Tony into leaf, or one of so I got a lot of help from them, and some decent horses from them. I know I'm GonNA forget somebody and they're gonNA be mad, but Frank American Annabel. They were really good to me. From the beginning I had horses for them Those were. Some other people were good to me. But I've been very fortunate in that respect to have some good owners. Why did you eventually decide to stop training and go to work for Jerry? Well Little Red Feather hit a crossroads. We weren't doing well and in order for them to keep that going. They were GONNA have to make a change. You know they have. They have investors to answer to everything, and and so then when that went away, you know I just I I looked down my stable, and and I decided to look I'm I can't compete here with these sources. It makes no sense to to do this just to be in the game. So I took a step away for a little while and try to figure out what's the best way to get myself going? And I just came to the decision. I you know what I think I need to go home for a little while which was back to Chicago which I hadn't been for about thirty years I think at that time or something close to that twenty six years. And so I was home in Chicago for a little while, just spending time with family and my uncle Williamson. Who trained? You know offer me a job. He said. We need to get you off the couch. Let you come back and get you know back in it. And that's what I did was the best move that I made because it brought love back that I had as a kid being back home at those tracks. You know in some of the people that you know were still there from when I was a kid, and it really brought that love back from me and So I was there for about a year and a half and Jerry. Can Call Him. And I just said you know it's time to get back to California and you know all this another way to Rehab my image. If I go to work for the hardest working trainer and horse racing and go you know step for step with him that'll go a long way and I. Did you know him? And I you know he's to tell me I'll tell you know. You could take a day off. You want okay I'll take it out when you take a day off and kind of stuck with that the whole time. Yeah this is a profession. If you're going to train horses, you'd better be ready to work and work hard because I say it all the time. It's seven days a week three hundred and sixty five days a year. The horses need to eat. They need to train. You have to be there, right? You have to. You. Can't now you know if you have the confidence that you could leave it up to an assistant, or you can leave it up to somebody I want to control my own destiny. I have to make those decisions then I to my client. To make those decisions, and the only way you can do that is to be their day. So now you're training as we touchdown in the first half of the program. We've kind of come full circle with the show here. You're now training on your own as a private trainer Larry in his Co., EXO, equine is Oh ix our. Equine I? I never knew the proper way to go with that. Well, they didn't bowl. We say a lot myself, yeah! Yeah, we've done that. We've covered his horses on so many broadcast and we always debate that in our production meetings as Pick one and go with it. I think either one is correct, right? Yeah, either one is fine. Yeah, so what's what's the game plan now? Tell me about where we are today. While keeneland right now, We'll be here through this churchill me and the little Qinglin meet that they'll run here in July. And then we'll have a decision to make our. WE'RE GONNA go to Saratoga. We're going to go back to del Mar. we kind of have to sit down and talk about that and see you know what courses we have in which is what is the best place to be I would have normally been in New York already other than the covert thing. really slowed up everything I would have been in New York. We were Kinda. GonNa Follow Frankel spend half the year in New York and then the other half and southern California but this year through everybody for a loop and everybody's kind of scrambling now to get where they're going. Yeah it's a great point. You bring up at spent an unconventional year to say the least and everybody's in the same boat dealing with an uncertain situation. As a trainer trying to. Get started again with this operation improved that you can win races for a good friend in a new client wh. How challenging is that Ben for you? Dan To have to kind. Hold your horses a little bit so to speak. It's been difficult. You know like I said just getting started on the road. The way I did I didn't have my health I know you know can help me. got back to southern California kind of stabilized that situation with my exercise riders, and and you know that that I know aren't good that I've used before, and you know they. They know what I want and you know how I wanted to do it. So the moving around makes it tough because you know. It's my business I'm GONNA move with the business, but they have a family in southern California and you know they have a home. They can't just pick up and leave and that's the most difficult you know. That's the most challenging part of it is to get some. With the horses and not changing rider Donham all the time. that's been the most difficult part, but I have a pretty. You know solid group of guys with me now and you know. We got a press forward. I always going to be my toughest critic You know this is not the start that I wanted. We haven't started off terrible, but you know we should be doing way better and. We're working every day to to reach that goal. It sounds like your your your toughest critic. Yeah I am You know I i. beat myself up a lot I expect a lot I. you know. From being in southern California so long when I didn't make that trip back to Chicago, one thing that I saw the differences southern California's competitive. You know we WANNA win every race now. Twenty five percent I'll get in the hall of fame. You lose three out of four, but we don't go with that attitude. We go over there. We want to win every single day and you know when you're. GonNa lose three out of four or more. You know you you yourself a little bit. Yeah, it's it's like a a hitter baseball. Right where they come up. And they failed two out of three times, and they go to the hall of fame. Same thing we trainers if you can be successful. It's a tough thing mentally. You know especially if you're very competitive I. Don't think I could do this if I walked over, didn't care. I didn't run and good. That's all right. That's I. Just can't do that. you know from the time that saddles coming off? We'll walk them back to the barn. I'm already thinking about what I need to change wouldn't be different. You know The wheels are turning as far as that goes. Yeah! What's the key to dealing with the down times that are in the losses that are inevitable for a trainer in thoroughbred racing? How do you do it? You know it's it's tough and you know I remember as a nineteen year old groom again, somebody that crossed my path that I was very fortunate. talking shoemaker. I asked him one time and it's a you know he's. It's not like he just said it to me. It's a famous quote of his but I said if you had one piece of advice to give a young guy that was start off in this game more. Would it be? And he said you can't get too high on the winters, and you can't get too low on the losers. The guys that make it in this business are the ones that saying the middle and you know it's hard to do that. Would you really have to focus and try to do that because? You're you're cheating your next runner? If you're if you're down on, you know the one that got beat before that and we. You know how much you'll miss. If you start to get too high on your wins. You know you'll start overlooking stuff. So you? Do you really do have to stay in the middle? I've seen you describe training horses as putting the puzzle together to make a career for the horses. At what does that mean? Yeah, you know. You. Get the well especially now in this situation with these horses that. Larry Buys you know you have to? They're like a stock, and so you have to protect. Your investors investment. and. Try to work. Navigate opposable so to speak. To where you get them to wear their broodmare, or they're a stallion, or they're worth what he paid for him. and it's not easy. It's something that you have to goal you. You Change approach. Every month we try to go over the Horse's. Larry and I talk a lot, so we go over at once every couple of weeks, but the big one is once a month where we're at with each choice. Where are we trying to get with this? Is We doing the right thing to get there? And For me, being private for Larry I'm also in the spot that I have to move some of these horses along, and you know some go to Chad Brown and now he's added Brad Cox. you know to the team and you know I have to think about that. Also check my ego at the door. INSTAGRAM was the big one you know instagram you know. Everybody knows them had to blow out where a two year old, and then you know. He got laid off and came back three year old, and he's never quite reached that. his expectations, and so I had him for a couple of races after. Jerry you know the whole thing with Jerry and. He just wasn't performing for me. And you know the best thing to do is give Chad a chance to. Maybe he can do something different because again. I have to look out for Larry I. I'm not looking out for me, and so he ran. You GotTa Wet Track the other day he ran for so we'll see what he does there, but that's another part of the job. Is that I have to be able to say look. Let's move this on somebody else. It'd be better. Yeah it becomes a team effort, doesn't it? It has to be you know when you're dealing with these kinds of animals, you have to check your ego and do what's best for the Horse. Yeah he's Don Chat Laos and training on his own now for Larry. Best and his oxo equine, and so many good horses. That Larry has had the privilege to purchase at auction and to get involved with, and now they are in the hands of Dan Chat Los Don. We when you think about Larry and his horses you. You mentioned the quality that he tends to bring to the table because he's done really really well with purchasing the right horses for you when you're dealing with good horses like that. Is there any added pressure knowing that you're trying to make a career for them? you know I. I don't really feel the added pressure on. Social media obviously has added a lot of pressure to trainers because they just rip you off. But I find comical more than I find it offensive, so that doesn't really bother me, but I you know. I think I've always tried to do what was best for. My horse was whether it was a ten thousand dollars, claimer, or you know a million dollar horse. I've. I've tried my best to do what I think is right and I just continue to do the same thing. How many horses are you training for Larry Now? Have Twelve here at keeneland now we still have two year. Olds 'cause obviously like you said. This has been a crazy year. Where you know. Everybody's behind in two year, olds. They really just started coming in You know you gotTa sale going on at OB s right. Now I'm sure he'll buy. Something there so we're still in flux, but it's twelve right now. What is it that really drives? Don Chat loss to your very competitive very hard on yourself. But what is it that drives you to get up? Three am every day and be at the barn. You know there's somethin' with these horses that it's not like training an athlete, or you know being a coach of an NBA team where you could sit down and talk to them and. Now feel what can help you i. like the challenge of having to try to figure this out with no real communication now. These horses do talk to you every day. If you know what you're looking for, and you know I, that challenged just drives me I I'm. I just trying to perfect that communication with the horse. What do you think you'd be doing if you weren't training horses? Wow. That's a good question. You know I laugh because I one of my favorite shows is the first forty eight. And I said you know I really think that would be another puzzle being homicide detective. We've that would be something similar to this. You know trying to figure that out I don't know so. Maybe it would have been something like that. Yeah only a couple of minutes left here don does Ben so much funded talk racing with you and hear your story and look back on some of the top moments in your career. I always like to wrap this program by asking trainers to tell us a little something about them that. Maybe we haven't touched on yet or I haven't asked you about Maybe something personal that you like to do outside of racing. Would some of those things be? You know I. Somebody asked me this the other day I was with Frank Taylor Taylor me. We were looking at all the yearling. And he was asking me. Do you know what are your hobbies? What do you? Started laughing I noticed twenty. You. Don't have anything you know. I'm a big sports guy especially for my Chicago team. You know sign enjoy watching that Obviously that's not in my mind right now, because the whole thing kind of shutdown professional and that kind of completely shut down professional, sports. but yeah, you know I like to watch sports is. But you know I've always been a barn, rat and I, really like being at the track and and you know even if I'm just watching TV. Gee, and just watching raises from around the country That's pretty much what I do. Now, he does it, and he does it very very well. Trainer Don Chat lows here on trainer. Talk presented by Phasing Tipton. Don, I mentioned. It has been a delight I can't thank you enough for spending time on this show and we'll remind people. If they missed any portion of it, they can head over to our website. Horse, racing radio DOT net, and check out the podcast all the best moving forward with Larry's horses, and we'll look for you in the winter circle again very soon. Thanks for having me brought up a good memory. All Right Don chat lows here on trainer talk presented by as it dipped in. Yeah, what a what a life! What a career you heard me talk about being hooked on the sport from a very young age being around his father's operation and then Making the move to California and making it happen. That's what it's all about. Don Chat lows and no doubt he'll do it with the Larry Best Horses to can't wait to see what the future holds right again. If you missed any portion, go to our website, horse racing radio dot net good a horse racing radio network on Apple podcast as well for my producer. Lee Dela Pena my special guest don chat lows. Mike Pence thanks for listening to train her talk presented by facebook.

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Part 3: Richard Baltas

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14:02 min | 1 year ago

Part 3: Richard Baltas

"Richie how you doing okay. Good I wanted to touch base because you had such a great holiday weekend and the I mean just just a del Mar.. We'll start there and let's start with next shares before we talk talk about the fun story with Oscar Dominguez but next year's Boy The betting public. They're they're very demanding ending. And I I guess right yeah zinc. I actually had people telling me that they thought the Horse is done. You know and I'm like well I wouldn't be running on the done so You know he does like a little bit of you know. We've got rain that we and he does like thank the term for the little given it and he doesn't like it when it's super hard. You knew it was really hard during the Breeders Cup and you know we're taking a shot there but when he broke out the gate Alaska said he just like he just didn't handle it. He said he was stinging. Just you know from the Turpin so hard so he just kinda got him around there and He came back to work. Really good on the turf and had to good works on the turf and I actually was like stuck with a writer our 'cause Franken worked. Giovanni Franko worked on Chirping. He couldn't get off the D'Amato ours and then they've L. Devia works a monograph and he loved them and just immigrate right through in the real so well and he won he won with really with some authority. And that's the part that I I think was was most impressive. Just looking hadn't won since January And that goes back to the San Gabriel. And you're the you know this is the you're the second you're the second winner from the weekend. That mentioned how hard the turf was up north versus down there and I'm trying to think it was. It might have been Michael was wasn't might've been talked Michael McCarthy. I talked to house talk to Cassie. So yeah well you know. We don't get any rain and it's sunny in hot all the time. And it's like they have air raid it and you have to put water on it and They really gotta stay after the trip so you you know the now. There's nothing better than Mother Nature for anything. I don't I believe so it's true. I heard from a few jockeys I mean. You know it's I think on on the East Coast guys come out here. They write a lot of grass races. Obviously over there so I can a- they'll tell you wow it's really hard today you can hear his feet rattle exactly is always been better. You know he he wanted. He wanted a big race at Kentucky. Downs sounds anyone to shed well mile in the same kind of trip when he wanted to shed. Well and I think you know it just you know. He's a horse has been very very town. And it's been an overachiever force. After I gave him like three months of the Kentucky just for him to just because he had a heart Campeanu tailing off and I just turned him out and took his shoes off and let them run around in. The mud was happy so using when you do those kind of things for harsh they reward award you but I've always noticed so out this. This was a reward and really. It's not the first time anybody. That's followed followed him he has. He has had efforts that were excusable and even dismal and then has come back from them so for for for people to just make summary Judgment on him was silly because even if you look at the shadwell trip he ran a sneaky good race in there to be sixth. I got beat Pornos for third actually when I watch the replay I thought we ran third and then they said we went six and then I looked at the a photo and there was like three noses in front of us so we had to wait a little bit there too But he did run speaking. Good Rate Sir us. Well he's going to be seven years old and just kind of space. Some races Over what he's very sound fresh horse so you know he. He won that old friends thing at the Kentucky downs. He has retirement their retirement for the rest of like that old friends. So you know when he's when he tells me he doesn't WanNa do it then then I'll I'll give them a home but right now. I think he's doing good. He came out of the race. Well also Nice Nice. Well let's take on some of the other successes and near successes and even though you ran second in in the in the Hollywood derby. You gotta be thrilled. Neptune storm right now. Four is a is a gorilla. And that's going to be a story going into next year. But you gotta be thrilled with Neptune. Storms effort yeah. He always shows up. You Know He. He ran a career best number. I actually think ninety seven seven bipolar the other day of the trip and Morphos an just beat me on the square. You know he gets worse. It's getting really really good right now. So congratulations to very Abrahams and Peter Miller with that horse. So I thought we were a little better than him but he looks like he's like a little a better person than we are right now so well and I'm okay with it. Exactly I mean. That's that's the proctor there. That's that's the Tom proctor. When you're coming out when I asked her what happened said got beat by better horse? That's the greatest answer there there is. I mean I have no excuses there. You know you don't need one you don't need one. What a great year he had? Yeah he he's he's made a ton of money he's never been off the board this whole year you know. And he's been pretty good so pretty happy with the owners. There's are happy horse to have well. I I'll put it into another plug here for hill and Dale. This is a stormy Atlantic that was one hundred thirty thousand and He's made a half a million dollars. All Stormy Atlantic does year-in-year-out. He stands for ten thousand. And he just gets one hard knocking runner after another. This is a gelding. That'll be around in your care. He'll be around a long time. I have I am I am call. I'm sorry no problem I gotta ask you. Though the Horse the horse that I was so frustrated going back going back to mow fours uh succeed in our pass I. I was all over him for the twilight Derby rich and that was the data bed them and and and you know there's nothing you can do. Yeah he had a really white trip the other day you know. It's it's very hard to navigate. Come thirty thirteen whole you know You know in a mile race on the turf I'd just Actually in a thorough grass he has the same number as as he was right there. which kind of makes a little sense because he was so wide exactly? Yeah he's going to be for next next year. There's a couple maybe a month off depression. I'm a little bit and then bring them back. Plenty of other terrific efforts Let's get the Oscar Dominguez on closing day wins the Turf Cup. What a nice? What a nice story this is? Oh Yeah You mean he's not he his the owners and we decided to claim for forty. Never thinking that you would turn out to be what he is. been in like five different barnes and You know he was really doing well down there in San Louis Ray. I just leave him there with the lay assistant. Were the most so you know. He worked for Bobby Frankel for thirty five years. So you know he kinda knows what and Yeah he's he was always in New York with bobby he's A. He's a good horseman and They have a very good crew down there. I have a Lotta winter's coming out that track especially on grass But no the difference was the ride. I think you know Johnny. We saved all the ground you cut the corner and and Horses been knocking on the door. He's been running right there he just hasn't had the trip and the other day trip and it was a really really really good thing for the owner. I mean she's been battling cancer for years now and She was telling me that it was the first day that she had to wear her hat now. So that happened. And she's been you know going to you know Asian and this smaller owner but very very very much Loves the game and this is a real big win for her. Let's let's tremendous. That's business. Is that Mississippi Athenian. Yeah so it was a good win for her in Bruce stands and you know you never think you're GonNa win that kind of money when you claim a horse but no insurance hassles. What's happening before you know but you know some horses just need a change in environment? I guess you bet Just a little something different. I mean it's not as if it's not as if through the summer he was running any differently that he'd been running for Peter. Sure I mean he was in fact you know basically basically was the same. He's been the same for a couple years. Just the question of Whatever or a trip and you know surf there's a Lotta things that work force you know that we have the pedigree to go mound half that of fairy king narrow and he's he's just bad for the turf long distance and now those races the chiefs are not gonna knows race so It was just a great win. This you know you want to bring the source to Saratoga. Uh put them over the jumps this this. This is a steeplechase candid. I'm telling you I don't know anything jumping you don't no need to. You don't need to ask I'll tell you what you can There's a couple of people in New York that have that have done this Weaver did it and who else. Oh They Jacobson did it. Yeah Yeah David did it. He claimed the jumper he stole a jumper. And the one you want to grade one. I love it too fun Voigt voight quick question. You're going to be bringing some horses to to Oakland. Yeah maybe maybe bring a few. You know maybe ten you know I was going to be fifteen but I don't think I'm just going to be like ten. See how it goes You know I have a Lotta I love. I love where I'm at right now. I hope you little bit better out. Here no no I'm born and raised born and raised in California and grew up in Huntington beach. This is my home but I know like you do have to ship. deftly ships in horses awesome. I've had a lot of shipping horses. The money's so so much better sometimes. The competition is in his tough well about motion ocean motion emotion. You you went out lucky there. Yeah that was quite a deal you know I had to ours nominated for for the race and it was really hard to get to the park and No I decided to ban the horse so so I've ended doors and so did I think they'll brinkerhoff involved in yeah yeah Remington in all the scratches watches. Anything I'm one hundred two or three to five or Horsfield. You had an event for trip in a lot of shoe and then we had a wind storm the day before and the cut is known reporting the root of believable thirty five and raining and aw crazy but it worked out. It worked five. Richie you're GONNA pull up. But I appreciate the visit. Congratulations on a great del. Mar Meet thank you very much. I'll see you at the Los Alamos. Saturday Richie Baltics. We got a job talking tomorrow weekend preview.

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PART 3: Jeremiah Engelhardt, Jorge Duarte Jr.

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1:03:52 hr | 1 year ago

PART 3: Jeremiah Engelhardt, Jorge Duarte Jr.

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I didn't get a chance to hear but I'll be I'll be sure to listen to the replay. It's like you'll enjoy and we certainly delighted to get a chance to congratulate you on turning pat on the back into a millionaire and getting a great to win. I did not realize actually until looking back at the chart today. I didn't realize he was a horse first and that you know the keeps this up and you can get him another couple of of graded stakes wins and ideally really a great one obviously and he's a Senate congrats with a nice pedigree. There's no reason that he wouldn't get a chance to stand somewhere yeah I if if there's ever been a horse head the heart that he has and this the the sheer determination to win and this is smart as he is to like you know he'd be a horse I definitely would pull for to make it as a as a stallion prospect for sure one of the things I talked about too you know he that last start for Kenny he made a big step forward and then then you got him and you kind of went on from there with him and you you know you look at that Pedigree Congrats and obviously the APN d. line and then the awesome again mayor he had every right to get this good as as a full-fledged fully developed five year old yeah. He's definitely one of those horses I was kind of in the right place at the right time. Kenny wasn't coming back to New York that Spring and you know just basically trained him into the first race there and you know he ran really well. He looks super and the arrest I just had kind of guide them along and you know he had a great year and he's followed it up with another one this year too well the the way in which he wanted to talk about Dylan Davis and he's gotten along with him particularly yeah well through this extended run yeah he just one of those you know Dylan's a very talented writer and it's just one of those cases where where the horse and rider work really well together and I thought feeling really did a great job. You know we didn't want to be on the front you know in this race and he's been getting you know a little headstrong early on and races and I really couldn't bring them into the the towel the cat kind of the way like like I wanted to which which caused him to be you know real strong early on and we just kind of had them in the wrong wrong Stott in that race but I wanted to use that race just because that was a you know kind of setup rates Kelso. There's there's a sidebar mentioning that as I look down at the PCP's second off the layoff plus stretching from six to a mile and it it does feel like you've made a conscious decision after the empire classic last fall to keep him around one turn or is it just worked out that way. It just worked out that way I mean we we were shooting for a different race in Saratoga and we struggled with with foot issues with him all the time. Hi and it's just a matter of when they're going to fester my blacksmith bread dewey does a great job it might team down Almonte Excel and I'm Aaron in the groom Carlos in the exercise rider crucially really I mean I'm about it as hands on with him and as I am with I don't WanNa chat sources. You know I really just get just get information and and try to use that information to the best the best I can and when when he's doing well they let me know and and he told me that this was a really good week for him coming into this race and I knew if he would run his race. If you know the way he was coming in Nice very nice a you. You tried the cigar mile last year. There's no shortage of options for him. What do you WANNA DO I? I haven't really decided yet we haven't we'll probably have a phone conversation tomorrow or the following day after he gets back to the track and see where we are you know obviously got the empire classic which is a racist. He won last year there's there's a bunch of different options. You know it it was it was nice to get this graded stake out of the way whether we try another one you know next or or what I guess still okay well. continues to build a a wonderful record. He mentioned Dandy that he's never been off the board at Belmont Bont so you know the longer you stay there and of course mentioned yesterday the decision made by Nyerere that they wouldn't have to move early to aqueduct the construction not not really causing any problems they had the big even though they've been digging they had the official groundbreaking breaking yesterday at Valmont and governor Cuomo actually is has now been to Saratoga and Belmont twice in five weeks which was nice. I I saw him work with shovel. I thought he might be able to do a few solve this morning but I guess he was out of there and solve this morning. Just the fact that he's on the on the ground round spices stunning yeah I mean you know he's he's a governor that that you know is involved the social media and and the fact that he's been out there you know like you said in Saratoga Belmont and you know between naira and the state everyone's trying to work together to to give you know to bring bring everybody the best product available and what they're doing now with the arena in in new Belmont plans. Really you know you gotta tip tip your you know to them and just look forward to the future well. I hope this just because is there. They're bringing the islanders on the ground. You're not you're not going to switch off the Sabres Kazama Sabre Fan and you must be a Saber Fan. I got a Rangers Fan. Oh that's Kabbah ninety four. I know I've never had a real. I've never been a real big hockey fan. I mean I watched growing up and stuff. I didn't really have a draw to one T I was born in Hershey so I always was pulling the fire when I was really young because that's their farm affiliate bears and she bears Matthew in the run that he had to ninety four that kind of got me hooked on the Rangers so your front runner in other words I that's the only sport I bump loses. I'm a knicks fan a giant Fan Matt so I'm not afraid to take my leg. You'd never would known you you. Did you grew up. How did you end up getting how he born at Hershey as opposed to Rochester racing and racing is my parents were racing the national that winner and how that is funny all right well that that surprised Bryson all right? Let's let's turn. Let's turn to Al Gold and and of course we should also throw in a a tip of the cap to herald learner who was one of the really sweet people around the game and I mean nobody enjoys having a good horse more than Herald so well done for him and of course sources there's Al Gold and all the one and only the original gold square one of the great characters and Cleon on Jones's that race because it was during the week we got glossed over the weekend always overwhelms everything but that was an exciting race and another good performance it was yeah it was great reese. it's funny how it works out because we never really intended on running Leon Jones. Not The even toed the morning I think L. sent me tax two o'clock in the morning. He was up you know basing around the house and he said let's run and I'm like well. It's a good thing I got him down there the day before because I figured that could probably happen. Munochiveyi was the horse of you know. I work those two together. two weeks before the race and Munochiveyi blue was doors off and you know emily. My assistant told me after the after workman this is one of the best sources I've ever been on and I was so confident in in Milwaukee it was kind of like a bittersweet win almost house because you know the way he started and then you know having to make up a little bit of ground early on and then you know when I saw him when it didn't look like he was GonNa Win Korean won. It's like yeah I was ecstatic for Allen the horse but then it's like man what you know what wrong obviously are the break went wrong with Qiliang but it was still so one of those bittersweet moments you're calling for. Both your horses and I don't know how Chad does it sometimes but you know it was. It was a really nice ended up being a good day now no doubt and come out what what are your thoughts on both both horses seemed like they came out of the race well tonight gale sworn in up here in Saratoga I I'm probably lean towards running in Qiliang back on a New York red showcase day in the mile to sleepy hollow and then I'd probably run Munochiveyi back in the November. Remember New York Red Race I think it's the notebook and then shoot for the stallion series in December well certainly not not a bad situation to come out of and between between the three of them kind of sets us up for you're part of the discussion a lot of Nice things coming up shortly including this weekend and had Brad Cox earlier Maya and we talked about the pilgrim and just wondering tuggle still ago yeah. He's been training really well. it's kind of unfortunate you know Jose. I I was Kinda Mix fan but I thought what happened in the race. Come out of sprints forty four and change. I thought he'd be really really rank and you need really wasn't so i. I probably could've just let him you know get into that. I turn a lot better than than he did. I think I probably scared Jose a little bit how rank he could be but you know I I think I still think he's that caliber of horse and I wanted to keep everything the same Manga since on the turf to to rule that out sort of speak if that wasn't what he wanted to do you know I goo-good races running on the on a dirt but I still feel like he's GonNa WanNa do long on the turf so I keep everything the same going into this race. We're GONNA give you know every shot we can you training well. So hopefully you know you run. Well spell at this this group the pilgrim pilgrim it should be interesting and we're gonNA talk to or Hey Duarte next. We'll see if one of his two are Argonne Participate he's got a colts neck big city Bob and he's also got one for Phoenix. No actually I think back 'cause Maroon was Karoo. The other one Meru ran over the weekend so it would just be big city Bob and I guess he can decide on on the dirt with him as well but Andrew Burns told me this morning by he's looking at about eight or nine for this yeah. That's what it sounds like. I think Chad got wants to I think it looks like he's pretty good for Jeff. Drown sculptor sculpture US struck door trucks the tour str- look very solid race and we'll see George Weaver potentially maker has got a a couple of different potentials but you know he could all the the the the Bourbon the placement of this and the Bourbon within proximity Kinda split up split up some fields. John Kimmel's got got the horse to that could come famished amish so we'll see should be good one way or the other you mentioned we mentioned tuggle and knock he comes up we certainly should ask about about three technique and what the champagne that consideration yeah. We're not. We're talking shit the champagne right now and he's doing really well just had a really nice work this past weekend and he's got one more work. I believe for the race and meet. It looks like we'll have I read or for him so you'll be out of Carol interesting actually to some degree to some degree he maybe even soups and better. It's it's kind of a stock and go horse and that that's right in a rat's wheelhouse yeah. I definitely wanted when I knew I wouldn't act could potentially have a little bit of a conflict. There rob was one of the guys that we really wanted to try. Try to solidify in on them. You know he's a horse. It's really very talented. band overcomes adversity in his first two races until rain well and then his last race was definitely not how we probably true at WanNa. Draw it up but you know just to watch him. Come down the stretched out last race. You know he's one of those horses that gives you goosebumps when you when you watch Ron hopefully you know it continues to to do well for this race and in the the future on the two year old front obviously the companion opportunity there for Zet and you had you got a couple apple phillies that that might fit this no yeah. It looks like I think we'll probably target Daphne Moon. for for the present I think risky this commission for going to point to the race later on in the month and then sweet kisses probably to the tempted act like I lost a little bit of time with sweet kisses appear and she just had her first work back last week which was really good and did to bring her back in and and running that race wouldn't be doing her bright alright so we're going to give her a little bit more time and target that but Daphne Moon is is a philly. I've been high on all year and you know hopefully she makes you know the transition from the first win and you're into the into the state category and the present for al She's the she's that Cairo Prince Philly that one at the beginning of August the big name in here will certainly be Shug with Mrs Danvers we did hear from Brad Cox earlier this morning that British idiom is gonna go toward the eighties so you have to worry about. It doesn't take this does not ah this will not as opposed to the champagne which does look to have a really good a core of five or six really good two year old boys. The present looks like it's GonNa come up a little bit light. I just look at if you're not gonNA come and I talked to Saffy Joseph yesterday sound machine. Is that savvy. I can't remember now the the from yesterday what did have to look at my notes from yesterday about sound machine whether she was coming but I I think there was something else for her so I don't know I don't know how they're gonNA. They're gonNA it's GonNa be a small group. I think in the resent feelings exactly right you mentioned you mentioned drowned and you got me thinking as well. We'll wrap up keeneland sales coverage tomorrow with the with Sid Fernando but you were early active and throughout out talk about the experience and some of the some of the picture excited about I mean there. Obviously you know ways off but a a couple of very big ticket purchases Meyer Yeah we had a group of six six guys that went in and you know raised a good amount of money Johny that we bought a three horses in in book one you know just just trying to get a good group of guys together that you know and it seems like a lot of people people are doing you know teaming up and you know the obviously the prices for some of the horses that definitely gone up even as you went along two through four four five and six you know the horses that stood out brought money. It's not you know and that's where in book on you had a lot more of them that that stood out to you know that the brought a lot of money it just you know group of guys trying to find the the best type of individuals in our in our price range that we can and and I think we you know net I broke. We have three or four really nice sources. Where we'll where will they all go to the same place to get started yet? They're heading down with the there are already there now webbed here up screenings Travis Travis. You know he's very influential and you know having I've headed off you know a few years ago and sort of the sales together and you know we we bite versus together and in I like to you know I've had a lot of success with horses that have came in from my job training center and just it's worked out really well. A lot of thought of the reasons that I've been successful lucky and fortunate enough with the young horses is mainly because of him talking about Travis Birth Turkey. You are yeah Yeah Nice. How how difficult is it when you uh when you're together in a group and somebody likes horror somebody likes a physical page and not every you know there's a little bit of pushing Paul? How do you work through that? You know we got lucky because that that group itself all the decisions are made by Travis and and that was how they wanted to to start it you know in develop it so you know whether someone might not like agree or someone might not like physical something I it's. It's base where we pull all the information together and then Travis. I have all of the decision decision making you know like whether we run or you know how you know by a horse or we you know we get to make a lot of the decisions. which is you know as a group standpoint? It really helps you know blend everyone in mash everyone together. You know it's not you know everyone is in it for the same reason. We want to try to get that at next special horrid so you know it's we don't don't start off in the conflict or anything like that. You know everyone I've trained for a lot of those guys since I first started and it should be a real good group of guys well the success across the board for virtually doing well for all the owners and that success begets a more opportunity and it's obvious and moving forward toward these next few weekends and very big opportunities my congratulations to everybody and best of luck going forward and we'll see see who you know who goes forward from here and might end up at at Santa Anita's well and a couple of really the really big two year olds and then the veteran horses that continue to score like pat on the back so well done thanks a lot Steve I appreciate it not at all Jeremiah Engelhardt and JC racing he took a little took a little freshening from from from twitter and now his back after after pulling up and letting a few cows out of the barn. I see these back joining it and the sharing everything from the barn a lot of fun the get my on talk about all the night sources that are in the pipeline and more common obviously more to come next Duarte who took over the colts neck operation rich Santa Course and after Alan Goldberg retired after his long successful career opportunity for Duarte. He's GonNa join US next. Had a nice pair wins over the weekend. We'll talk to him for the first time back after this at the races the races with Steve Vic on Sirius Xm radio amazing achievements Pennsylvania breads on the world stage thanks to find we city unique Bella and Shamrock rose joins Kentucky as the only state in the past decade to breed eclipse award champions three straight years add that to our unmatched incentives plus our resource development fund can only be used to support. 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XM radio breath really sweet and and we're back at the races about twenty five minutes it's our three and as promise chance to catch up with paid you aren't they junior who took over the hoax deck trading operation after Albert longtime associated with Sir Richard Santa and the operation and George with a a really nice weekend waiting for this opportunity to have visit because gold would the turf sprinting Mare in the sensible lady and Meru who looks like there's just blue sky ahead for the two year old and thanks so much congratulations. Yes thank you very much for having me I was waiting for his moment as well yeah we had a very good weekend uh blinds happy and we're trying to process everything and right now well and you know the story is terrific and people's. I started to see that you the horses were GonNa Start running in your name and you know it was apparent that Allen was paring back talk about before we get into specific. Courses you know talk about your your writing career and then moving into this side of of the game yes I actually started my bogging log in Panama and Colombia the very young age age fourteen and fifteen I was raised in Florida but I went back to the jockey school so that's when I start writing when I moved back to the states I was not allowed on the track to cal for ride because I was fifteen so allen opened up to the place for me so I could breed horses and get started and keep fit and we build relationships back some two thousand and that's how how back we go and from from what from what I know of it and from the occasions we've spoken to Alan about it and to to Eh to Santo early. It was really a plan. I mean that that Allan sort of hand in hand picked you to take over when when the time was gonNA come for him to step back yes it was accurate. It was in his vision to when I went to Saudi Arabia to work as as an assistant trainer I worked for the King of Saudi Arabia where for Nicholas Buchler he was a former assistant for Christopher from what I it come on holiday. 'cause I lived in Arabia year round that get like three four weeks at a time off every year and I would see Alan and just because I always went back to him and some fruit bites and stuff like that and two years later he come up to me and said that he had a plan you. I thought he wanted to share it with me. If I was interested in you know that was back in two thousand eleven and he he brought it up to me and I thought it made sense we come back home and blending him and he is the plan and you know he's stuck up to his word and rich supported him which I was not easy for thirty year plus relationship with you know things kinda been step by step. You took good path and we're here. It's tremendous when did when did you stop writing. Actually I'm stopped riding in two thousand ten in that summer when my last race for Allen in Belmont in May of two thousand ten and yeah I think I might wrote a horse to firm more more after that and then I was working more in the barn and getting myself ready to go to Saudi Arabia joined Nicholas and that was about it yeah summer of two thousand ten how about that and so it's it's ten years later and you gotta be not just not just satisfied but you really gotta be proud of of of how this has come about and and it's obvious that anybody watching you know how you handle the horses here. You're good with with really any kind title horse and you know considering considering the colts neck. You know what kind of what kind of a program Mr Mr San Tuli has developed it's good because long on the grass whether it's short the short on the main track you know being versatile and you know knowing how to handle different kinds of horses a huge asset and you're you're still getting on the right in the mornings I try not to where I'm short of writers and you know no health and these days is in tougher. I get purposes but I get on a okay. I enjoy still I have a lot of things to do on the ground so we try I avoided but once in a while and it helps and I think Alan's been a big support because he's still walks me through things that I'm I'm not familiar with because he has a lot of experience under his belt who more in the tutoring me I think it works it works good for the bar and it works for him to be like semi retired he enjoys his time with his family. you know and I'm all out working because you know this is my time showing try to shine anyways and carry on the barn but everybody's pretty supportive all the help everybody in the transition of changing changing the trainer but you know it's been smoothed for everybody. I don't think nobody really felt and anything different. trying to carry on where you started some very well before the orgy. It's always trying to carry on what he's starting well. You're hitting at a at a nice strike rate and after the winter coming coming back up to the mid Atlantic you've got that advantage of being able to pick spots out and utilize all the condition books you know essentially really now from Virginia to New York talk a little bit about some of those decisions and in fact this weekend perfect example with gold old wood and booze you coulda gone to different places and you try to go to for two gold would though winds laurel and booze ooh that was a very strange running of the Turf Amazon the way it turned out to talk about the mayor's Yeah I think you know obviously the park with a little bit easier in competition. I felt the turf there and I know it'd be good. I wrote on it tends to be not as firm a laurel turf course a mom and I feel like go within the firm arm turf Gulfstream. All these facts are known for speed. parts just doesn't have it. I mean I don't see we heard running very good over it again. Ran One time fire. I thought you were getting away tricky thousands incident horses sources better and who she ran over that track okay so I think that's related to rich and our and we kinda came to decision to run over that more and booze park which it Kinda worked out well no it did I mean the and the way the pace the way the race unfolded Philly. There wasn't a lot for I was there. There wasn't a lot for boost to do but talk about gold would who fired another big shot. Yes actually that that race is a little bit of a heat. you know I was a little bit concerned about the one horse Jonathan Thomas I thought she's okay. you know he was loose out there and you know but a lot of confidence he's coming off a great summer. you know he he's one overlord before he doesn't need to be on the lead with so you know he fired again and he was impressive. Commanding good buyer no come back good so far absolutely and and she is a home bred she comes out of a Rahimir. She's by Medaglia d'oro. She'll certainly move into the colts neck broodmare band when the time's right the right now I mean she's torn off five straight wins. Yes yes now. If you think about beginning of summer that you're GONNA plan this. I shouldn't and say we did with the weather and stuff like that but everything just fallen play. He's kept healthy he kept firing and you know it just worked out that way. Hey you know we're kind of lesson happy that everything felt for her because she deserved that stakes recognition always been like just one notch under the last year and so finally he put everything together now she and you know it's not you know it's funny. It's not like she's improved. Just looking at figures for instance you look at the numbers and she's only just as a mature five year old. She's just improved the tiny bit but it's been enough yeah. It's really interesting actually and illicit she she won she won. Five races. Are What four races coming into the year. It's not like it's not like she was a horse that that wasn't winning or you know wasn't accounting yourself well one thing that is noticeable symbol though George when you look at this she she's much more a part of the pace now that she used to be yes he's been more on and on the front end I don't know maybe she fits very good with Jose. Jose always going to be a speed type kinda rider mom and tend to be speed that was a little bit concerned last Saturday because I was just thinking that a little bit longer but Jose did the right thing instead okay awesome so it's always easier and better for a horse to have forward position so you can kind of pick where you WANNA be versus coming from way out of it well talking about Jose Farrar and here's a question 'cause you're probably you wrote against both of them. Who's better on the front and Jose or Tony Black and it's hard to get by you and if it's Tony Parks you know you really has your pretty hard and pretty so what he's with us on Thursdays and I was with him in Philly we'll? We'll let we'll we'll let tell you talk about you riding against you on Thursday great. I love it too. Let's turn attention and you Goldwyn. Is She gonNA. She's GonNa run as a six year-old the option is there which we also feel like you know all the time coming so yeah this year next year it'll be no more next year but knows that racing keeneland which you could have ah that is an option and just like a one way trip runner there and lever in Kentucky or you have the floor park in Belmont but we haven't really talked to rich as much yet so we'll see how he comes back. He's just going to go track tomorrow and go tell you how he's doing well. She's certainly she certainly just had a magical year five or six and NF seeming seemingly adder best right now talk about the Sky Mesa Colt who's now to for to Meru and and I'm imagining you guys are thinking you know little bit a little bit deeper waters talk about the win in the smoke lacking Saturday yes he was impressive again as everybody saw you know he did things very high. Students Speed you know he's done everything right. He did everything much better in the paddock this time around. We're starting a little hot in the paddock last time when you ran this. I thought so you know you checked himself together. In Iran incredible rates pulled out very in fact comeback very good. We only forty give them two days off because he was getting to on the show yesterday train good today. you know hopes are high did do you. How quickly do you stretch them out and how far party that he wants to go? And how quickly do you WanNa face some of the some of the heavier heads. I think it's just sold tens of you know how you Kinda bounces off of this rates and timing wise. I wish this race was at least a week before we've we've been ready for a while Kennedy dissuade on this race because we made central horse now. You've got a couple of races that you could try main but you know you come. You're coming coming back in two weeks for like the Champagne keeneland. you know I it just like you know what why do the Horse for career wise that you know we're looking ahead for good year old campaign or hurt right now. you know you have the winning. You're injured a champagne which makes sense one turn mile. just come back in two weeks. We're going to sit down with Alan rich and see. What's the best horsing working? Always you always WANNA have long three year old campaign you also you know we're a finishing European. You could also have more options serving that so what's Best heavy on Toledo road three to five came back with for those that I haven't seen it in ninety five buyer out of this which puts him in elite company with the two year olds and you know he asas yeah that is his moment yes he did have between what mid July and September yeah yet sixty days right yeah he ready to go you know have weeks ago. you know we just did the last couple pieces of works under meaning. There's no getting ready leading so I think he's a horse that you could train them all jewelry like that with more in a a month or six weeks that it does depend where we wanna go what makes sense and stuff like that as a team will make complete right decisions yeah. He's a he's an interesting an interesting story. He was bred by Godolphin. He was a seventy five thousand dollars yearling in probably probably book to at actually it was actually phasing October that he was purchased as a yearly not Dickie Lynn and then came came out of ob s for the April sale for three hundred thousand and Diane yeah the bottom as a yearling so they hook them. It's a nice nice little they got. They got four to one on them. Yeah No you know the boss Alan Goldberg he he you know I guess now now that I'm there he he could afford to stay down in the sale longer and he usually did. I feel like this is great for us in the barn because he has a lot of experience he went down. There took two weeks down there. He did his homework. He come back with some very good horses that were happy with one of them also Bob. He won stake in mom and so I feel like there's a team. We'll put in a little bit and it kind of paying off so this is a nice choice. You picked out pacing money for you know he looks very promising. So good well isn't awesome you look promising and with all the with all the Nice horses that that are coming your way and the the job that you've already done in what's about a year and I was so looking forward to this and the thing that we might see Meru turn right around and come back in the champagne that would only further add to what already looks like a good group but no matter what happens continued you'd success delighted for you and for Mr Santoli and Rowan appreciate it. Thanks for having me Hopefully I'll get more phone calls than you absolutely. Thank you again not at all. I have one more what's worse big city Bob. What do you do with him? Next city Bobby's you know has options and pretty much similar to Meru he breeze yesterday and as well he was actually partner getting ready who always had somewhat of an edge because because a little more precautions big Bob is kind of bomb proof. Nothing bothers him. I don't think distance is an issue for We'll see how they both come. Come along. No you could be looking at the champagne for him if we don't run so now we we have a couple of options for him in full well a lot of good things obviously are coming out of the colts neck ACA and when you see the the CNS as a as a workstation that's that's the private facility and Duarte junior well on his way to a top training career great job. We'll talk again soon. Undoubtedly grandma very much not at all how much fun horse they'd do art they and the Colts Neck Team Alan Goldberg who we talked to for years and Alan particularly on this show when when when John's around with John Rouse around John and Alan go back to the to the old days he's the real old days they more or less grew up together in racing in Jersey and nice to see what what Allen's don here for Duarte. Let's take a break our last of the morning and a May Save John White for tomorrow. We'll see probably that's probably best served doing that at this point because it's or yeah it's already quarter up. 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XM radio we're back at the racist just about seven or eight minutes left on this busy Tuesday that was fun and obviously Meru in particular the horses that the ready made horses quote unquote that hey is dealing with it's one thing to take over and and horses that are going on with their career but he he pretty much obviously helming Meru and will be very interesting if they come back in that champagne the vantage of that is one turn mile as opposed to going to Kentucky and go into turns the mile and a sixteenth at keeneland or as he said You I think about you know having a good three year old and taking you know taking your time I I don't know the runs a race like that like isn't that smoke lacking on Saturday and as you notice you notice that the art they knew was the second-fastest buyer among the two year olds right now. This is Andrew Burns this morning green light go gazillion Jackson is probably GonNa run Flap Jack which is right up there among cute names of the year this is the CEO Calcium at home bred the Arlington Washington futurity so they're thinking taken a shot gouverneur Morris for team valor and Todd pletcher and particularly appreciate barrier wins name selection year when it comes to Governor Morris by constitution for those of you know that Governor Morris's contributions to the laws of the land and three technique you heard from Maya the they're considering so right right there flap Jack Morris gazillion green light go three technique and if Meru shows up there there's six already and then there's some others that candy tycoon one of Todd's that still a maiden but was as heralded as as any any of the Saratoga summer babies got beat by spycraft in that downstate start Saturday Saturday Saturday should they were hoping to to win and go from air but there's also there's also the first winter I imagine that that Paul Pompa is going to have to think about Alpha sixty six as well so a good champagne is in the offing you know tomorrow I'll I'll make the proviso now they're going to draw that Saturday card and the fields are going to be small for other than the pilgrim you know the the fields are going to be smallish for the Bosberg Bell Damon and Jockey Club Gold Cup although the six the the if the if those six are going code of honor preservation tacitus tenfold Vita Rosso sheet. That's quite okay. There's nothing wrong with that. Six Pack is going to be is going to be very short they're right now. They're hoping they can get a v I think even because imperial hint scaring everybody off forensic fire wonderful light from Samantha Siegel and Lucianne and Anthony Corallo Brown Buckeye but a lot of other horses ran including killybegs captain. Obviously you just one promises for fold. fulfiled is not coming. Strike power tried the grass right. We'll see what what having does next cold front just brandon one Bowl Rozan. They don't thank they'll run in back so the Hot Creek Hustle Probably Kentucky so yeah I don't I don't know it doesn't it doesn't look good for more than four or five in the Vasbert but from there we've got a lot to look forward to between the keeneland Churchill action this week and then keeneland England next week and I'll tell you something else you can look forward to on Saturday. I just I just received Halley short. Sent me a note that there's another of the three the fourth of the free. NHCD contests top five finishers get NHTSA's. This is Saturday so look forward to that for those of you that tried our our contest which we appreciate but five live on Saturday five free seats all right and honestly though in how many people typically enter those we'll talk to pete tomorrow about this but you know there's probably three times as many players maybe more we'll be stacked up against you on Saturday but that's one of the reserve contests the you know the beat Vic was so much fun. I basically had just about a thousand players that you were competing with for for the seat so free contest always always good free hard to argue with free right plenty more to tomorrow said Fernando Siro Watch refocus brought brought to you by Hillsdale looking forward to wrapping up the sale was said and the mentioned we'll get pete in here. We got a couple more trainers yet to reach Graham Ocean John Terranova what else Seth Barrow John White and more couple of there's some hard news to cover his wealth. We'll probably get to tomorrow the rest of that most of these steaks. We covered a lot of that. We'll save that for tomorrow a slip in one that we probably won't get to terms of visit right but do beanie good old demeanor. How old is the B- now six years old for Pewter and for Kate Democracy the GIO Ponti gelding one that Laurel Dash on the grass the counterpart race to gold woods sensible lady so congratulations to kate the Massey where what I think we were at? I think we were at I PIMLICO was to beanie that one a nice two years ago. I was just looking into the paint there we go yeah. It might

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