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"bobbi" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"You were projecting to sell one hundred in a month. He sold one hundred within the first day. What do you attribute to the success so quickly after launch. Well i think i hit a nerve and you know. I know i'm doing today in the new company too but i think back then i hit a nerve because people really liked the feel of these lipsticks. They liked the colors and it was so different than what was on the market. Where most of the lipsticks on the market. Where the artificial smelly bright lipsticks. These were they were comfortable on your lips and they were colors that worked not just to match your lips but with your skin so there were so easy and they just you put them on. You're like oh my god. It looks good and so it hit a nerve and it was very much word of mouth in the beginning. We didn't advertise and there was no social media. There was nothing that we have today. It was really word of mouth. And also the fact that i was. Pr you know editorial makeup artists so magazines would write about it and it just kinda started taking off. You've talked at length about how you grew up in a time when beauty was a pit amazed by tall. American models like cheryl tea eggs christie brinkley. You've said that when you look at a woman you actually don't see what's wrong with her if they don't look that way you see what's rate with her. Has that always been the case for you. Yes and i've always appreciated interesting beauty. It was you know it was never the classic blonde blue. I you know eighties model or seventies model. I love when i started meeting women of different coloring different things that they had whether it was someone who's mixed and i would always want to know what are you. What are you. And i just always appreciated and back then i mean i can't even believe they called it ethnic beauty which is anyone that wasn't like blonde blue is basically so you know now it's like women was strong noses. I love freckles. I actually like lines in the face. I like character. And i like four lips than i like just different things on different people. After four years just four years you were able to sell your company to estee lauder but even before that you had to big offers you turn down. What made you decide to sell to water. Well i think that when leonard lauder called and i didn't think about selling to esti lodder i thought about selling to leonard lauder when leonard called and asked to meet me i went with a partner to his house and i fell in love with him and he basically said you know you're beating us in the stores. I would like to buy you and at the time. I said we're really not on the market. We're not for sale. He said what. If i could tell you you do what you love and we could do all the things you love. And what if i tell you that you could spend quality time as a mother and with your children and do all the things that bring you. Joy and i was like Interesting and it was an offer that i couldn't refuse so we it was an amazing feeling. I never felt bad. I mean it was an incredible experience. I was thrilled. My husband and i were able to you know send all of our nieces and nephews to college and just it was an amazing thing. Dinnie also tell you that you reminded him his mother. He did and her entrepreneurship when she asked did he did. But i i used to laugh at okay. We both had boys you know she had to. I had three. She would hang out with royalty and presidents and i hung out with basketball players and rap stars and but i think you are sounds a lot more fun. I didn't even though. I really wanna meet the queen. That's been my lifelong dream. Meet some royalty here in the states in twenty ten you were appointed by then president barack obama to the advisory committee for trade policy and negotiation. You're invited by first lady. Michelle obama to participate in the white house his leadership and mentoring program for young women. And i believe you almost did michelle obama's makeup for the two thousand nine inauguration..
"bobbi" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"Did it take you to perfect the color palette while we started with brown which was my color. And then you know back then we would just mail things back and forth to each other. It probably took me about six or nine months. You know coincidentally it was the exact same time where i was having my first baby so i had the time and i was not impatient and i had no idea what was going to happen. I really thought. I was just gonna make these lipsticks to sell the models. Maybe sell to my friends. You know in the suburbs where i lived and i had no idea what was going to happen honestly and so i did it and i'm like wow. This is so cool. And i started then selling them out of my home mailing to people. That's how it began. I read that. You got a three line description of the new brand bobby brown essentials in glamour magazine which included your phone number right fat jumpstart your sales did people realize that it did do anything. It did so everything for me just kind of happens for a reason. I was having lunch with a friend who happened to be the beauty editor at the time. And leslie see more. And she's you know. We talked about our first baby and work and she said what are you doing. And i said i'm working on this makeup line and i'm selling these out of my house and she says that's so interesting. Tell me about it she said. Can i write about it. And i was like. Why would you want to write about it now. I know it's called and it jumped. It did jumpstart people knowing about it and we started selling them out of my house. And i think we did that for a year maybe a year and a half and then i one day was at a party in new york and i thanked the person that invited me who someone else brought me to the party and i said to her as i do. I talk to everybody and i said what do you do. And she said. I'm a cosmetics buyer bergdorf goodman i said i have this line lipsticks and she said i'll take him and that kind of started the conversation. Well she said she would take them and then she actually reneged. She did tell us that story. Because that's what am. I favorite bobby brown story. Well she said she would. You know sounds amazing. She'll bring them in and get everyone's opinion and she called me and said everyone's really excited will take them and i said that's so great and then i think it must have been days later. I was at doing a shoot for saks. Fifth avenue their catalog. And i had all the colors. 'cause i was always busy doing something in between you know getting ready for the makeup and one of the art directors came over and said you know. What are you doing that so cool and i sit on launching this line of lipsticks at bergdorf and then later in the day i called in to get my messages on my phone i remember beeper and one of the messages was from the buyer. That said i am so sorry. I have bad news but we can't take the lipsticks right now. Because we don't have any room so i remember my heart sunk into my stomach and i was so bummed out and the art directors came back over to show the other art directors answered omega. We'd love to take this. And i said i don't even know why thought of this and this is after the bergdorf call. I said well you can't have it. Because because i'm launching a burgh doors and then the bergdorf person called back asked me something and i said no worries. It's not a problem because saks wants it. And she said i'll call you back and they took it. So that's i love story and now they removed places. Yes your first. Ten lipsticks debuted in nineteen ninety-one at bergdorf goodman..
"bobbi" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"I'm like no maybe eighty let it go but right now right now. I like coloring it so as soon as you were old enough. You got your introduction to formal training at your local small. Cosmetic store will no not formal training. I got it was almost like a job interview at the local. Makeup store was a friend of my mother's i didn't actually work there because my experience at the store was i went in and she said i'm gonna teach you everything i know. I'm gonna show you how to do makeup. And she started with taking everything off and she said well. Your skin is really yellow. So let me make it pink and by the way your noses too big. So i'm gonna show you how to contoured and your lips are too small. Let me show you how you can make them. Bigger and your eyes are very bedier small. Let me make those bigger. And by the time i was done she made me feel like i was the ugliest person and i looked in the mirror and i just said oh my god. I looked terrible. I went home. Didn't cry. I washed my face. And i said i look much better and i never wanted to work there but i did see this woman. Her name was elaine about twenty years ago and she said i am responsible for your success and i said yes you are part of it. That is true but not for the reason you suck at that point in your life. Would you think you wanted to do professionally. I didn't know i mean i was. I was still in high school. So i was more concerned with hanging with my friends and even when it was time to go to college i didn't go look at colleges. I followed a boyfriend. University wisconsin at oshkosh. I graduated high school early. Not because i had great grades but because i just did my homework to be done so i could do something else so i went there for six months and then i went to university of arizona. I was there for a year. And i came home and said mom i school is so boring..
"bobbi" Discussed on Design Matters with Debbie Millman
"We're not my passion in life. So i just always loved not glamour. I didn't love glamour. But i just loved ways to better yourself whether it's through diet even back then or certainly with makeup but i used to watch my mom and it was the seventies and so my mother was twenty when i was born so when i she was always twenty years older than me so when i was ten she was thirty and still incredibly glamorous and she pretty much channeled anyone from share to jackie kennedy and she just always had this amazing beauty and perfection about her. I could never compete with that. So i never tried. I always felt so silly when i would do my makeup like she did. So i did it my way into bobby. I don't wanna be pandering. I have been accused at the certainly in the early years of this podcast for funding for my guests. But i do have to say you really beautiful. I don't you come know this like zero and that you thought you be pr. You're really a beautiful woman wear. That's coming from well. Thank you but you know i'm realistic. And i kind of have a sense of humor about it and coming from the suburbs of chicago. I wasn't like my friends that were the cheerleaders wasn't like my friends. That were the student council. I i was in the popular group. But i couldn't really figure out where i belonged. I was kind of and i still. I am chameleon. I would go with one group and i'd fit in then i'd go with another group and you know i've always been a sponge which has served me well in my adult life. But when you're growing up you get insecure and you know i was the shortest one. I've always had a watch every morsel in my mouth. Or i could definitely be you know a very heavy girl at five foot tall. So we are contemporaries we. We grew up at exactly the same time. Our mothers are also twenty years older than both of us. So i have to ask. Was there ever a time when you were green eye shadow. I never wore green show. But i did wear lavender and a little bit of pale blue because i remember on the bus. I would bring this yardley pallet. I had and just put a very small amount close to my lashes. I guess my mother didn't want me to wear makeup at school. So i did it on the bus. I also was not allowed to wear makeup. But i was so desperate. I also brought makeup and nail polish to school and put on the nail polish in the morning and took it off. Before i went home but i were read so it was really hard. Cuticle how did you wear your hair back in the seventies. Oh i have been wearing my hair. The exact same way parted in the middle dark long and whether that's alley mcgraw alley. I still do that. You know people always say where you part your hair. I'm like in the middle and my hair which looked stark. Now is actually a one hundred percent white. I always thought when. I may be turned sixty now that i'm sixty four. I'm like seventy..
Parents call for charges in drug death of Bobby Brown Jr
"The coroner's report on the death of Bobbi brown sun may lead to the filing of criminal charges prosecutors in Los Angeles and are providing details on the suspect all the circumstances but they say police have presented prosecutors with a case related to the death of Bobbi brown junior and that file is under review for possible criminal charges the coroner's office said Monday that twenty eight year old Bobby brown junior died November eighteenth from the combined effects of cocaine alcohol and the opioid fentanyl in a statement to the Associated Press brown junior's parents singer Bobby brown and his long time girlfriend Kim ward said the fatal dose of fentanyl is concerning to them it often shows up in counterfeit versions of the powerful opioid oxy code own I'm Oscar wells Gabriel
Bobby Brown's Son Reportedly Died From Drugs, Alcohol
"We now know what caused the death of singer Bobby brown son well the brown junior was found dead in his Los Angeles home last November eighteenth authorities said at the time no foul play was involved and now the coroner's office in Los Angeles has weighed in with its findings the report says the younger brown died from combined effects of alcohol cocaine and the opioid fentanyl it also says brown had a history of drug and alcohol abuse and that his demise was ruled an accident the death continues a string of drug related deaths with those close to Bobby brown who used to be with new edition his ex wife Whitney Houston drowned in a hotel bathtub in a case linked to cocaine use in twenty twelve and twenty fifteen the daughter Bobbi Kristina brown also died after being found face down in the tub and lingering in a coma for six months her death was also tied to drug abuse I'm Oscar wells Gabriel
Singer Bobby Brown's son found dead at age 28
"Bobby Brown suffering yet another tragedy. He's mourning the loss of a second child. Is 28 year old son, Bobby Brown Jr died Wednesday. It's reported that he was found in US Los Angeles home Police had responded to a medical emergency. His death, of course, comes just five years after his sister, Bobbi Kristina, drowned in a tub at the age of 22. That's the same way her mother died. Whitney Houston lost her life in 2012. Yeah, Bobby Brown. He's been through the wringer. There's no question about a lot of loss in his life. 5
Bobby Brown Jr., Son Of Singer Bobby Brown, Reportedly Dies At 28 In Los Angeles
"Brass achieves. He said Yeah. Bobby Junior, uh, evidently has died at the age of 28. Has Bobby Brown has lost another child. If you can believe that accorded TM seem his son Bobby Brown has died, A source close to the family tells TMZ. The Bobby Jr is found dead Wednesday in his home in Los Angeles area. Police are still in the house and our sources tell us At this point, they do not believe there was foul play involved. And remember Bobbi Kristina, That's his half sister. She died, which is 22? Yeah, and the same way. When he used to died in the bathtub. Is that right? Yeah, I didn't know that.
"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
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"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"Shoe by the time you hear this, you probably would have heard but besides relaunching season two of beyond the beauty which I talked to some of my friends, some of my co workers, some people I don't know in the beauty space founders of brands business leaders. I am also here talking about a launch of a new company. That I've been working on called Jones road. It's been an incredible journey doing something different, and I'm really excited to talk about it with you guys today. So I'm here with my guest of my first show territory seaney how do I describe Taryn who she is kind of difficult sometimes she's described as my ceo sometimes she's described as my the head of my posse. That's a whole nother episode of how you somehow are lucky enough to fall in love with your best friend who also you work. Together. It's kind of a weird thing but say, hi, Tara Tara welcome to the show your second This is my second guest appearance. Yes. I might be a frequent guest now or contributor I. Don't know. Thank you Bob. Thank you for having me and we're recording this two weeks before launch. It has been quite a journey on this road of Jones, for us and I'm really excited talk about it. For those of you listening it's now out yet can check it out. John's beauty dot com. And let's let's hear about your inspiration and and why the wise the house and about it because it is a clean line too which is super cool. Okay. So there's two different roads I could take the first road and then I'll jump to the other road. I'll a detour the first road is wise it called Jones. Road. Why is it called Jones road if you remember when we were looking for names, we try to bunch on we hired copywriters nothing was working. If we thought of these great names they were taken we did the searches we spent money and the one day I was with my husband in the car and we were driving and when when I'm in the car with my husband, I have to look at Google maps I have to look at ways I have to give God forbid we're five minutes late somewhere I have to tell them no, go this way. And the Verrazano and I don't even know where I'm going. So I was looking down probably not looking at what I should be looking at but all of a sudden I saw somewhere I think it's in the Hamptons. Jones road and I said to Stephen. Jones road and he says Ha and said for name of the company and he said I love it, and we called you called me called you mean you said you loved it and you ask whatever other girls that were sitting around they all said they loved it. We searched it no one. Had IT. And it's called Jones Road and and why did I liked the name a it sounds cool. Be It sounds like the U K that I love. All also I thought you know what? I I sold the name Brown Bobby Brown. I can't be brown I could Jones. And you know, and then it just made sense to me be and it became the name. I I. Love It. So what's the second road now? So the second road is my journey from leaving the cosmetics company and and the world I created over there to my new world. So when I left I did not even have a thought of going back into the cosmetics industry was you know not even not even a thought But what I did was since I'm someone that has always been very curious and. Interested. In health and wellness I signed up Ad Institute of Integrative Nutrition because I was promoting my ninth book beauty from the inside out which was primarily about what you put in your body. So I went back to school digital program and I learned so much about food and health, and just how to you know have a full circle. Happy healthy life. I started using clean ingredients in my house. I got rid of all the chemicals and I started using clean skin care right away and then I started using clean makeup or looking for it and went four years ago. There was nothing there was really nothing out there was had just started. There was a couple of things here and there everything seems to have been just coconut oil and I was searching and then at the same time while I was cleaning out my own makeup bag, I started doing make up again you know I looked for an agent I couldn't. Find anyone that was the right match, but I would just do different things and one You know the first big thing I did was I got a call to go to India to key the first ever India makeup show so I did and I just wanted to bring. The, you know products that were right and I called in everyone's products. I put together a brand new kit went to India did it was incredible? So we have all this cool stuff going on in the makeup world in the wellness world, and then again to benefit fast-forward but this pandemic hits as well and we're all forced to pivot. And at the same time so much goes online so much networking and mentoring and talking, and this is always been a big part of your life in Your Business and philosophy of mentoring the up and comers. And I feel like you really went hard into helping out some of these whether young or old new founders trying to either save or pivot their businesses. And It del Jew even more into the beauty world both clean and conventional in tell us about how like you've navigating that and also thinking about Jones road that whole time I am someone that when things Turn one way. I will always look for the positive on anything and when we were all of a sudden, you know stuck at home. We was really quiet. The first couple of weeks everyone was completely flipped out. I mean our sales on evolution eighteen just stopped and you know people were people were scared, and then slowly I saw that people were starting to talk about how they could feel better how they could look better You know from home it was mostly how about how you feel then I started working with founders of companies and I would either talk to them on the phone I would dm them and say you know here's my number if you need anything. So I've been thinking a lot just in general about how different We.
Every July 1 Until 2035, Bobby Bonilla Gets A $1.19 Million Check From The New York Mets: Here’s Why
"Today is Bobbi. Baena Day when I say Bobby Baena Day he is on July first. It's time now for fans met fans everywhere. I do wish each other a happy. Bobby Baena Day why why? Why not? On Wednesday today fifty seven year old Bobby Baena will collect a check for one point one, nine, three, one, million, one, hundred, and ninety, three, thousand, two, hundred and forty eight dollars, and twenty cents from the New York mets every July first from two thousand. Thousand Eleven all the way to twenty thirty five, because baseball salary structure Bobby. Bonilla's annual payday is often more than some game current stars are given in one year. Why does he get that kind of money in his contract? Well, so what happened was the NEOM last play for the mets. In nineteen, ninety nine, he played with the majors cardinals. The last time we played in the majors was two thousand one, but he was paid or will be paid all. All the way till twenty thirty five. Here's what happened. Bobby again has a second deferral of contract payment with the mets and Orioles. Pay Him five hundred thousand a year for twenty five years while Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah so what he did was he signed a contract in two thousand. The mets agreed to buy out the remaining five point nine million of bananas contract, however, instead of paying Baena five point nine million at the time, the mets agreed on an annual. Annual payment of nearly one point two million for twenty five years starting on July first two thousand eleven, this included negotiated eight percent interest rate for inflation at the time ready for this. At the time, the mets owner was invested in the Bernie made off account that promised to double digits return the name Thom familiar for you and the mets were poised to make a significant profit, if the made off account delivered, and as we know, it did not this arrangement. Has Left with Bobby Baena making one point two million dollars every July first for the until twenty thirty five, so he he's got another fifteen years. He'll be seventy two seventy two. How much how are you? He will be seventy. Was Age where's age? Where's age? He'll be seventy two and still making one point two MIL now if you play cards, right? A lot of people say well live million dollars. Yeah, but he hasn't played baseball for a while now, and he's still getting one point two million, and so everyone says. That's the first contract of its kind and a lot of people have followed in suit. There's a Max Zhanjiang you're. Some guy the nationals he'll be paid. Away to twenty twenty-eight and many. Ramirez also with the Red Sox will collect all the way till twenty twenty
"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"Yeah well now. Little shorter shorter shorter than everyone. But okay so what? What is the secret of a sixty year marriage? And what happened? When you got mad. What did you do believe it or not? We had one big fight when we were first married and at the end of the fight. Can I tell you about okay? I like boiled fish with potatoes and vegetables and stuff and I made it. I cooked it. He came home anyway. What the Hell did you do? It stinks and he oh. He was so limited and it was fourteen below zero. He went to open the bedroom window and he couldn't open it so he knocked on the wood and all the glass fell out and then I started to scream at him. You are so stupid. How could anybody do that? And we're yelling at each other. We're in the bedroom. And then we started to laugh we. So what are we laughing at fish broken glass was so after that bobby honestly never had big fights. We had a lot of differences of opinion. But we didn't fight a lot. We really didn't so I can't tell you what I did when we just didn't fight a lot. And now you live in this retirement community right right and you love living there bobby. I have said this before as long as I can't have him. I'm as happy as I can be. And that's the way I am. I've met some lovely friends. I don't have to do a damn thing. I was always the doer and the giver and the take care of everybody. I don't have to do anything except enjoy myself. And now you have a boyfriend where you calling them boyfriend. He's a very dear friend he really is. I said everybody here. Because we're together a lot they kept saying. Is that your boyfriend S? I kept saying I'm a little older boyfriend. Finally they asked me again and I said yes and I said cal. Wannabe my boyfriend. He said I'd be honored. So we joke around that but when we're together a lot and he's a very very dear friend very bright very very nice all right well as a matter of fact to me. He looks tall but when his son and his two grandchildren come he looked short. Because they're six six. He said his wife was six one and did it. You just come back from a nice family vacation with them. New Orleans was great. You know eighty nine years old. There's not a lot of people doing things. Aren't you also going white water rafting? No no I am not. I'm going on a river cruise. I'm not going where are you got one? Can you see me Bobby? I wouldn't have done that when I was younger. Okay where's this river cruise? We haven't decided yet. Okay just two of you know just the two of us just to eighty nine year. Old People are getting ninety. He just ninety last week. Okay so you just get on a plane. Get off the plane. Yeah it's it's amazing what you know. What is wonderful bobby? I I'm very grateful and I. I hope I'll be here for a while longer. And when I got three great grandchildren now. That is really fun. Text US TO RECEIVE UP TO FIVE MARKETING TECH. 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I use it every day but taking care of yourself eating the proper things I mean. It's not only just makeup. That helps but you believe in beauty from the inside out. I always did tell us how you do that. Because I know that you cleanse a couple times a year. Yeah Yeah but that helps bobby what you eat. I think that is so important. I think you know once in a while I do cheat I have to say. I've always had a sweet tooth which I really control now. 'cause IT I have to but I think what you eat. What you do exercise is very important. I do all that like I do. The super slow thing. I've done it for about ten years. It's fabulous and that's where you lift really heavyweights. Yeah you lift weights. I mean you're you're buckled in and you have a trainer and everything and the better you get the more they raise the way. I've been doing that for ten years. It's very helpful. We've all often talked about weight loss and weight gain and how you feel but at eighty nine years old at something you have said the hell with it. I'M GONNA do on most of the people where I live. Ceo Watch the difference. I say I one of them said well. You're eighty nine years old. What what's the difference? I well I WANNA get to be nine. Oh I'm so old so I won't do this or I won't buy that or I won't blab lower elite that no. I try not to think in those terms when I die. I'll be dead. You know what I mean but I'm not ready and when you do go off your clean healthy Diet Dallas. What do you like to indulge in a little ice cream? And don't laugh at me. Promise Okay Raisin Bran Muffin just my favorite Raisin Bran Muffin is not exactly either healthier locale. We we thought it was once but it's no it isn't I know know it is right. Got A LOT OF SUGAR. And it's got raisins and they have a lot of sugar. But that's something that I cheat with but other than that bobby. I just won't do it anymore. No Pizza. No friend tried crazy enough. I mean I you know what I do. What the pizza eat the top. I ate to cheese. You eat the cheese. See I would eat the crust. Let me put it this way. I watch myself as much as I can because I think I could wait if I allowed myself. I'd probably y five hundred pounds. Well you're also a little bit shorter than me. I believe I'm shorter than everyone for. Hi Four eleven now at my tallest. I was five. One look really lost two inches. Yeah I actually am a quarter inch taller than I used to be had that I don't know I guess I stand up at her. I ended up pretty good. I still can't make it. Yeah I mean I think being five foot tall has made me certainly tougher to think it has something to do with you Maybe although the only time it ever bothered me is when I was younger when I was younger. I get an elevator and people were not all using..
"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"There are different types of subtypes of casing Beta one case seen in Beta aid to the more ancient like cows that would have been around for thousands and thousands of years. Have what's called Beta eighty-two casing which our genetics haven't changed in about ten thousand years ago the human race would have eaten and been exposed to the bay to casing for the majority of human existence people that had cows but the very short period of time of human existence. We now have a new casing called. Beta a one case seen so this not just with dairy protein but food supply and toxins and all of this mismatch genetics and epigenetics or our genome our DNA and our environment is really at the heart of a lot of this research is coming out looking at why autoimmune is on the rise why are different chronic inflammatory problems on the rise so the problem may not be the dairy itself but what we've done to the cow livestock feed in the United States. You mentioned going to Europe and getting the nice sweet supply. People can get these aid to dairies that are in parts of Europe there in Africa. They're in Australia New Zealand and India and people are bringing the CALC- The United States. And that's why you'll see more and more aid to mill Connecticut unheard of eighty-two yeah really so this is a thing it's growing they want you to know because it can probably charging more for eight to milk for the time being until supply and demand kicks in and makes it more democratized but the moment they want you to know because they're paying these cows out here in the United States and then not like your average cal. But they have this more this ancient casing. That is more in alignment with our microbiomes more alignment with our DNA. So there's more of a synergy and cemetry amongst us in our food which is what we should be getting to more of as a human race because if we started doing that we see far less health problems far less inflammatory problems so if you are someone that have always done carbs and you want to see what your body is like more Kito. Yeah so I way I recommend it in both Kito. -Tarian and the inflammation spectrum is to go at least four weeks for like the lower inflammatory problems and I give them a quiz in the book. People can figure out what you took. The quiz type flunked. I flunked but They're staying there but honestly for most people and I said this in turn and the inflammation spectrum kgo eight weeks because that's GonNa really give your body enough time and I'm talking to people with more chronic health problems but I'm even seeing this just across the board and adopt point. They can get a semblance of what their biochemistry can do. And give their body even a chance to get metabolic flexibility. What has taken years to get to where you're at today or person that's listening it's GonNa take more than a couple of days or a week to move in the right direction now. You will start feeling better. I'm not saying the you're waiting eight weeks to see anything but you have to be trending in the right direction and give your body timed to start repairing and balancing and calming down so give give me a day. Give me like you know people that are listening. Okay they WANNA just Kinda before. They even run out by the book. Yeah give them a day like what are they having for breakfast lunch dinner and snack a typical day. I will typically would fast in the morning if you WANNA have like a Chia seed pudding bowl. You could have that in the morning. You could add some hemp protein. You could have some sauteed. Greens and like Grass-fed like sausage. You could have a smoothie with like coconut milk or almond milk and mcat oil and berries and lower fructose higher healthy Fats Moody. And you shouldn't be hungry to lunch. Yes you're right so if you are starving in Henry you're not probably not eating enough And that's why I think intermittent fasting should be leaned into right because sometimes people do too much too soon. They think it's the thing they should be doing. But they're doing too much for their body with their bodies ready for so how this be sense of grace and not. Just be being aggressive for the sake of it when you're fasting and then lunch I'll have like a pesto suitable like with Sakina Noodles Get ASPIRE allies. They sell them in like plastic things at trader Joe's and wholefoods and then this avocado oil dressing in there and these are recipes in the book. That's not a very filling meal though is Well Yeah it's a big bowl and then you could add protein too that you can have some wild caught fish. You could do that if you eat meat. You can have organic chicken or grass fed. Beef Burger if you didn't have a smoothie in the morning smoothie at lunch and that's quite filling as well. I mean you can have snacks. You want to have some snacks. That's fine especially at the beginning so maybe some toasted nuts you can get some spicy non you get some sweet nuts in there and there's different recipes for that if you're having those and for dinner. Some sort of wild caught fish some sauteed vegetables. Some baked vegetables. Like Brussel sprouts. I love those Sulfur rich vegetables help to methylation which is needed for healthy hormones and do talk pathways and then. I love these Avocado fries in the book. Avocado fries has sliced avocados and their breaded with almond flour. Who makes that for your wife or you? Well I make them but my wife's definitely better cooked. Yeah and then this AAA Ille- dressing. I got that recipe idea because I was added healthy van and they had them in this hotel. They were amazing and that's why I wanted. We need Avocado fries. The book to do so tasty Chum guessing in your opinion calories don't count calories matter but they're secondary to the quality of food. Syr bodies more of a you know chemistry lab less of a calculator so to speak. You should be eating into your full. You eat when you're hungry. So calories are a part of that but it's not the totality of it. I think it's fascinating and I think your books are amazing and for people that are listening. Which book should they buy? I I appreciate that. Yeah so I would say a good beginner. Book is inflammation spectrum Because it looks at food as a whole not honing down on a certain way of eating not specific food paradigm. It's just looking at food and non-food things it's not just about food that that bring inflammation there's stress and social disconnection and social media addiction and toxins and lack of sleep that we talk about too so it's a real big functional medicine perspective on how to get your life in check Hito -Tarian is someone can lean into it after that if somebody's already in the wellness game for awhile both will be good. Bikita -Tarian maybe a good fresh perspective on Keita. Genetic Diet and how else could people find you? There's Now you are on the podcast right with Shaimaa fellows groups amazing and they asked chambers nine to be the first spin off for the podcast launched in the spring. It's like really cool. We'd horrible life. Transformations we'll talk about yours. Yeah so where else can people reach you? Besides everything's a doctor will dot com. You can go to Dr Rollcall Dot Com. You can take the quiz. It's in the book. We offer free Webcam health evaluation if people WANNA talk and see functional. Medicine is right for them. Concert with me right for them or the group class and on at doctor will call on instagram and facebook and all that stuff and then I just want to end with a speed round. What's the last thing you ate? I had a grass-fed burger salad at Belco Hudson yards. What's the last exercise? You did my Peleton bike two days ago. What's the last thing you bought other than that other than other than food? Oh Man I can't even think about. I've been intentionally not spending money on like material things especially hippie. I know Mike such a hippie. I'm giving things away Yeah so I. I'm like a five too much clothes and stuff. I can't even tell you probably was some non toxic. Maybe odorant or something. I got at target something that was probably the last thing. And how do you fall asleep at night I had these essential oils sprays that I spray on my face on the pillow. This like lavender and orange peel and things like that. Yeah I just talked to my wife. We talk about the day. And what's your last book? You read the last book I read was Simon cynic. We had him on the fellows. It's called Infinite Games. It's really fascinating read. And what's your coffee order? Coffee out is get black. So then what's your take on bulletproof coffee? Are you still fasting? If you're having bulletproof coffee it is because it's not stimulating. Insulin and you meaning you're not having carbs and you're just having healthy fats. Which by all means I gave out spray is under amazing things. Because he's giving people in alternative fuel source when there's so much sugar burning though. This is a good alternative. Because they're getting their body healthy fats. But they need the brain needs at their metabolism. Needs it their immune system needed but from a functional medicine like Geeky standpoint and things that I look out on labs. Sometimes people were having those and they're putting the butter in it and their bodies actually don't do well long-term from Like a liquid fat standpoint coconut oil and the butter can be a problem for some people again. Some people do fantastic with it but some people don't some people have intestinal permeability or leaky. Gut Syndrome problems in that can create something called Endotoxin MIA basically the bacterial toxins L. PSI polly sack. Rides can create inflammation. So they can eating healthy thing but it's still driving inflammation levels up without a doubt. It's better than the standard American breakfasts. But just because something's better doesn't necessarily mean it's optimal for you. I could talk to you all day and we will definitely take this offline. Because you're GonNa have to tell me why I flunked your test. We'll talk Thank you so much for being my gasping on my podcast and you so much for having me. Yeah a pleasure to meet you and thank you. 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"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"Beauty is a production of iheart. Radio. I'm your host Bobby Brown. I'm someone that everyone knows is very focused on health and wellness. I never seen to know enough. I never seem to be consistent off. Sometimes I blame myself because I have a very fun lifestyle. But I'm really interested in functional medicine because I do believe that. We're not just what our lab says. We're not just we're sick. We need an aspirin. So what I'm excited about today. Talking a we'll call is that I have read his books. I have seen his work online. He's the guy that is teaching people how to eat. Plant based mostly vegetables stand Kito and also how to make the right choices and how to feel better. He's the author of two books. Kito -Tarian and the inflammation spectrum and he's also widely respected functional medicine expert. He works with brands like goop and mind body green. I asked him to be the wellness expert. On just bobby DOT COM. So he's writing for me and I'm just really excited to meet him. I know he's here with his son. And I'm looking forward to the conversation with Dr Will. Welcome to my podcast. And congratulations on your second book. Thank you so much. I really appreciate your kindness and support and yeah I'm excited for people to read it and you are unofficial contributor to my just bobby sites. We've done a couple of stories already. Yeah and you just have a lot to teach thank you so much. I love writing to the book is been a Labor of love and I love writing articles even honestly more than books I think because they're short form and so many people read them. But you seem like like one day you popped up on my instagram. Like I never heard of you. One day you popped up and all of a sudden you are everywhere. I mean seriously. How many years have you been out there doing the Willie Cole thing? I've been doing functional medicine for eleven years so this isn't new to me like I. The grind out mean that in a negative way. I mean just staying in my lane staying focused and staying true to what I love and I'm passionate about hasn't changed eleven years but you know it's cool that I can connect with people and because most of my patients are online via Webcam. I think it's just the nature of my part of my job is talking to people online Writing and speaking about it. Where did you get your background and functional medicine so my doctor is from Southern California University of Health Sciences? Which is an integrative medicine schoolers? Md's and DC's practitioners acupuncturists and Oriental Medicine. Doctors and then my post doctorate. Education and training is functional medicine and clinical nutrition. That's through the Institute for Functional Medicine. Ifm that's the body of doctors and trainers that train. The doctors at the Cleveland Clinic's Functional Medicine Center Salvation. That's listening who doesn't know what functional medicine is because it's all I care about but a lot of people don't know what it is and you're right when we talk about it so much we forget the fact that the majority of the population probably doesn't still no and that's okay and that's what I'm here for so the differences between functional medicine a mainstream medicine if you had to break it down. First thing is we interpret labs using it's thinner reference range so anybody. That's listening well. No Hey when I get my labs done. I'll have my number and have reference range where we get that reference range from a statistical bell curve average people who go to labs people that go to labs oh not the healthiest bunch of people. So there's a lot of that. Have these symptoms? They don't feel well. They go to their doctor and these are. The doctor runs the basic test in the labs comeback normal. Yeah you're fine. You're just depress. Here's an antidepressant and you're you're just stressed out. You're just getting older. You just need to lose weight all these well-intentioned reasons but they're basically saying you're a lot like the other people with health problems that were comparing you to so in functional medicine. We're taking people with health problems out of the reference range of where optimal vibrant wellness is. That's the functional range where your body's functioning the best. So that's the first thing we differently. And that gives clues as to why somebody feeling the way that they do. And WE RUN MORE COMPREHENSIVE. Labs typically things like microbiome issues underlying problems toxicity chronic infections or hormonal imbalances whatever's relevant to the health history. We want to get to the root cause and then we realized we're all different. And there's only cookie cutter one-size-fits-all approach to getting well and apply to food. It plays a natural medicines that place to just about everything in life. It's bio individuality. But how did you figure this out? Did you grow up this way? I did? You know my training. A functional medicine is all like the formal training and really understanding the research and science and how to apply this in someone's life but as far as food as medicine and all like the wellness space predates functional medicine for me. I grew up in a home that was interested in wellness before it was cool. I'm from countryside. Outside of Pittsburgh Not Makov of wellness. My Dad was like one of those bodybuilders in the eighties I thought it was normal for people's DADS to be like looped up with like baby on like Turquoise veto but he was interested in food and wellness and that was the genesis of of my perspective on food. The difference between what I was eating at home and what my friends were eating at school and that evolved over over the years until I was formally trained in this space growing up. What was a normal dinner? Let your mom would put on the table. It was such symbols like wild rice in the eighties and nineties. That walnut space was a little bit different who is that Crunchy Granola earthy whole foods plant based approach with some clean proteins and things. That's basically what I was eating. I like raw dairy. They go and get the raw dairy which is kind of controversial. I guess today. But it's making a comeback Ms Different institutions that talk about the benefits of these types of foods that people would have eaten for thousands of years. Let's see my mother would open up a can of vegetables and she'd Cook it and I would get punished because I wasn't eating the vegetables. 'cause they tasted disgusting. Candidates aren't terrible beans. I don't I don't remember the last time I had a canned anything. You know. I grew up A different decade than you did so things have changed a lot. But I'm kind of a self. Obsessed health fanatic always searching for. How can you feel better? How can you do this and you know your books? Your first book is called Kito -Tarian -Tarian now Kito. Yeah is basically you eat fat and Burns fat. Yes that's counterintuitive right. It is counterintuitive. But you can't be having piece of toast with no there are. Kito breads that are may almond flour and Cillian. Hoskin things like that. I mean there's some good brands out there like unbutton. I have no connection to them financially. But they're a good brand that I had no other based out of Canada actually Toronto and have had them in a few restaurants in Toronto and Vancouver but you can buy them here in the states. Too it's called undone but Kito -Tarian is in a conventional Genyk Diet. It's mostly plant-based approach. Which is two seemingly pulled opposite views of foods but as a showing KENO -tarian. It's actually not and yes. The genyk diet is a high fat moderate protein low carb Diet. But what you put into that paradigm or those umbrellas of high fat moderate protein. Low carb is up to you the way they advocated in Kyodo. -Tarian go kito but let's do it in a clean way and I'm not advocating everyone to being kito says forever and ever either we talk about cyclical approach doing seasonally. Or doing it when you want to recite a lot of women do a cyclical Kita -tarian approach but they'll increase garbs around the period or their ovulation increase potatoes fruits. But then they go back into Kito Sus. The other days of the month and feel fantastic helps boost the brain and the helps lower inflammation levels helps to their fat burning. All the things that a lot of people are struggling with today And your new book is called the inflammation spectrum. So how is that different than the first book? I talk about the inflammation spectrum. This concept that inflammation exists on a continuum from mild symptoms like mild background fatigue. Low grade anxiety digestive problems to the other end of the inflammation spectrum which is autoimmune conditions or diabetes. Or whatever else you thinking of when it comes to health problems and then everything in between on a continuum but I mentioned it in passing because Beta hydroxybutyrate is the key tone that your body produces in ketosis. It's an anti inflammatory. It's a natural way lower inflammation.
"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"Would sell them and we'd Split fifteen dollars. We got seven fifty. When things got more serious than I thought about what ten lipsticks could be how this could be. We didn't have the words side Hustle. But what you know this could be something on. The side and Stephen started helping me because I didn't know anything about books. I didn't know anything about anything I didn't know PR. I didn't know marketing. He was a businessman. Always had that business brain. I majored in makeup in College. And he had gotten two degrees and His graduate degree from Harvard before he went to law school. So I'm I'm married smart. I married I married handsome and smart and that was amazing because he really did help me in the beginning and as business grew and we took on business partners and then open Bergdorf Goodman and then eventually Neiman Marcus then selling and it was a you know there was some really tough times raising kids and having a lot to do how am I. Am the person like how am I going to drop the kids off? How made that? I have to go to the building head of meeting that I have to go back. You know downtown and go to a shoot and do a cover and then I gotta come home and do parents conference. He always said just breathe. You're fine and anytime at night when I would talk about my stress. He would be watching Seinfeld. The ten o'clock Seinfeld and he'd say no tomorrow will be a better day. That was the hardest thing for me is to learn what you worry about at night is much easier in the morning. Bobby kept working and I kept going to law. School and people started buying cosmetics product and we formed a partnership and the business kept kit growing and I got out of law school and and did the back office. Part of the business into business kept growing and then it became an bobby did less and less outside work and more and more of the business and while we sold it after four years which is amazing. In retrospect four or five years. Yeah well because you know it was getting big and I looked at myself into. There's better people than than me to run this business. I don't have any particular experience aptitude or even inclination. It's not what I want to be doing bobby sitting. I don't want to be doing that either. And so we just said let's do something else or do something different ways. We sold the business. I admire how absolutely you do everything. And you just keep doing your so consistent. You don't break no matter what I don't care if the kids were up all night you still get up and you do what you do every single day. You're so consistent and you look amazing because of how you live your life and I just. That's that's one. Regret the answer flower that way. No no no no. I don't not at all because now this is not my you know about Mitzvah so no or my snow nor did he give or nor did he give like a. You know one of these speeches to everybody. My Sixtieth or my fiftieth. Because that's not who he is. People usually say to me Stephen says this Stevenson's you're you're not a mushy guy and you know that's yes. Yes no but you. Are you know honestly from people I know in my life just as far as role models you have been such an amazing role model to me because yes I was a working mom and whether you knew it or not I did feel overwhelmed and I had to make a lot of choices and sometimes you know I had to make a choice about what would be more important. And I'll never forget the time that you and Dylan as a baby Came into the studio when I was shooting a cover cosmo with school. Oh and you guys said okay. I'm here to pick you up and school. Oh had asked me to have dinner with him and his friend John Paul Gauthier and I'll never forget looking at you with the baby in your in your arms and schedule Oh and John Pogo ten. And that's when I said Dude you gotTa pick it. You got to pick a door story ever picked. I have kids and I were always thank you. Yes but I too many times I had to go on trips and you know you always came and you came with the kids most of the time and you you know of some of the dozen ever do press or ask for anything but really involved dad like in you know totally even though you gave do candy in his Omelets to get him to school in the morning donuts but that was not exactly. You know something that I would have done but you know I let it happen and he went to school. So somehow it's worked out you know my wife is Wonderful Heart really giant heart that is inclusive of everybody especially me and her kids but her friends and acquaintances and everybody else surly. Yeah she likes to. She loves you and there's nothing that you won't do for her for the People. She loves And she's you know relentless I mean Bobby's we share a quality of sort of determination and stubbornness and relentlessness. And just you know she is. I don't know the perfectionist is the right word but she just knows what she wants. She needs what something should look like feel like smell like and she is you know just insists on it and just will do whatever it takes to get something to that point. You know. And there's no compromise for bobby it's really it's it's all or nothing. She'd rather not do something. Then do it halfway or half asked or or not in a way that she finds good or great. So that's a that's a quality and she's you know she's a genius. She's a genius when it comes to a lot of creative things in it and it's one thing being able to create these products. That's another thing knowing how to communicate and to you know to to touch people to reach people to have a story and bobby stories aren't artificial stories or not. She didn't think about what her story should be there. Just the story. It's it goes with. The product goes with a creation of the product. It's not something. That's you know a marketing campaign that's created afterward. I married I married someone stronger than me. I don't know if that's an accurate statement but D- wrong enough Say the only thing I do. Give yourself credit for on. The few things is confident enough to support you and not being. You know a competition between us it. Wasn't you know if you made more money if you were more successful or fewer you know Got More attention signing wasn't about me it wasn't you know. And if so whatever way I could support you in your endeavors. That was sort of the key. If that meant that either you know sort of deal with kids more than some of our other friends fathers did and assign this actually wonderful thing for me anyway but will you one day takes into the Statue of Liberty. Because I've never seen it. You went with the kids when I was doing a personal appearance or something. That's on my list. Because I've done a lot of things all right. They'd love you for more podcasts. From iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. 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"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"We always had large vacations. Large family gatherings other is holidays. Even something like. Am Kapoor Thanksgiving holiday having eighty or one hundred people over at the house. You know. It's really funny having a Yom Kippur dinner when you have people such as the rabbi and his family there as well as people that have never met another Jew who has been toy. Am comport dinners? I mean it's always a big juxtaposition You know we have as I said the rabbi and his family and then you'd have cory booker there You'd have Gayle King. Was there a couple times? You'll king yeah we've had. We've had some very interesting. Yeah I remember you know when I was a kid when you would be walking on the street somewhere randomly in some who'd come up to you and say excuse me you know. Are you bobby? And you'd say yes. After the conversation you would get so excited and happy about it And just you know surprised. Someone would recognize you. This was before you've done anything on television Or the talk shows You might have had a book or not. Appeal would still recognize you now. You know today. It's a much different experience in the family. Like when you get stopped will I'll just keep on walking and we don't need to deal with. I think you can still you know Take some happiness from that good messages for you growing up I will say exactly fifty percent of the people I knew Knew who you were and cared about it. And it was pretty evenly split between boys and girls growing up. Last week he called. How do I get into showtime pat? I asked do you have showtime APP and you responded no to me. I'm more than happy to help with any technical support questions you have if at least tribe for I did try to not successfully. I don't know if you count trying by. Why do you think we have children why we have children? Because I don't have a tech guy few lake city of what in Syria? That are real. You know I think Eddie. Mother is GonNa bug. They're young kid wasn't around enough when you were growing up. No I wasn't around two that we had a few years. We definitely didn't spend a ton of time together. And then every time I came near you it was oil and water. Yes so grateful. Grateful that you grew up and I grew up. Yeah I feel like our relationship now is very mature and we get along great but there is a few years where I was a teen Where we definitely had our fair share of altercation. Yes yes we've grown much since then and I'm very happy with our relationship. Now what do you think has really changed in our relationship? Since you've grown up. I mean I think you bugged me less because I'm not under eighteen now now. I'm an adult except when I'm at home and you have to clean my room or go through the basement you know. I think it's less than that level. And it's more of now that I'm still have you know job in a career. It's it's I can kind of relate to your successful but more and and your accomplishment where I think when I was a kid. I didn't see them 'cause I didn't it wasn't something I was around to see her even interested in as much. We're both very forgetful. We both have a Lotta. Add you very spacey. We both have OCD. Also we both like things organized and lined up we do you like me and that in the creative elk and in the you know struggling with perfectionism. Yeah who's treats from you and do you know how much I love you. Yeah you don't have any repair. You are one of my favorites some days many days. You are my first favorite many many days so new are very special. Human having it all to me by the way means that you are doing. What makes you happy that you're working hard? You're challenging yourself. You're giving back but you also have balance and it's not easy knowing said it was easy. It's easy for me to sit here in my sixties and say a piece of cake. It wasn't a piece of cake. I had to learn coping. Mechanisms idle. Learn how to be organized. I had to learn how to delegate. I learn how to beg help from people. You know babysitters friends and you know. Somehow it worked. It wasn't easy I couldn't have done it without my husband. If you don't have a partner that supports you and is there when you can't be then it's really really difficult co-winner am. I GonNa see you again Friday night. Okay Dave thanks for doing this. Love you clean your room by for more podcasts. From iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows precision. The health cast is a brand new podcast hosted by myself. Dr Marvin Sing uniquely trained medical doctor who has completed training in internal medicine gastroenterology and integrative medicine as a leader in the field of precision medicine. I started this incredible podcast to help. 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"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"My face and I have to my hair and I realized this morning. I'm like I don't give down no one's and no one's GonNa notice that you did it or not but and you know what you just. You're over scheduled right now. I've been there I've done it. I get it and you just need to like nurture yourself but this is the start so I I realized I told her I said I. I'm looks amazing. I might have asked. You for who you see. She's amazing Laura Dyer and she Yeah and I realize like you know what I'd rather be home laying on the bed at that time because I have. I have like two hours and just sort of like working on something that I love or or you know catching up a little bit eating and not rushing and Bingham person. You might feel tired but you don't look it and you actually look really healthy. How do you take care of yourself? In what what kind of Diet? And what do you eat? I have my days that I I give up and I eat fries and things like that but you know to be honest. I when I'm in the hotel order chicken solid. You know when I'm home. I have my spots. I order from creature of habit if I don't have to be somewhere. I don't leave within a three block radius of my home ever. I order from a place called muscle girl. When I'm feeling I WANNA have rap You know that's healthy but I've been more conscious to eat clean the only time I really like let loose and eat. Whatever is when I go to my mom's home when she cooks for me and stuff that's when I sort of I don't even questions just the culture that miss and that I crave and it's the you know the grounded nece that I feel that none of this stuff. I always referred to as this stuff. You know the instagram. The default hours and this the monetary things that none of that exists. When I'm in the presence of my family and my mom I love that feeling of just not having to worry about any of it. It's been the only time that I felt so grounded and one with the Earth itself But I've been again recently feeling that now not just at my mom's house but just in general I do feel fully like fully grown man. Who knows what he wants and who knows what he deserves. Who knows what he stands for. I'm really fascinated about Mario in the next five years. Do you have any visions? 'cause I kinda do here's the deal. I don't talk about it much and I think it comes from this fear of like all my God. Is Someone GonNa mess it up for me? I'll tell you a story when I went into Sephora right and I. I knew that my mom didn't want me to do that job and I knew she was going to be embarrassed to meet. Lee Forehead finally made that decision of like okay. This is what I'm going to do. I'm going to take it seriously. I'm going to go to the library under research. Everything I know everything I need to know and do every step. I need to take to be in my mind. It was just successful. That's all I knew. Back then was that it had to be successful to show mom and I looked around the store and I saw the names. You know Vincent Longo in St Louis. It was a moment where I locked eyes and sort of had an Aha moment that okay. That is my chance status. How I'm GONNA do it. I'M GONNA show mom by doing that. And so I worked for twenty years to make sure that that I earn that and they deserving to do something like that because that's a big deal to put my name on product and to put it into stores around the world and around the country that to me is something I do not take lightly and I want to make sure that when I do that that whoever is buying it wherever is thinking about buying it doesn't have to ever question or go to Youtube to get a review from someone because I want them to be ashore and to trust one hundred percent I did work for them and that I'm giving them something. That is the very very very best quality for me. I could not do that unless I had at least twenty years of experience as a working artist among my nineteenth year right now a few years ago I did begin to slowly learn by myself calling. Cold calling the labs and manufacturers walking in meeting people to learn everything there was that. I had to learn about this to make. It wasn't doing things blindly. I'd been offered starting seven or eight years ago. Really big deals really lots of money to do things and you know I knew in my heart. It wasn't going to do them and thank God. I didn't bobby because I wasn't ready. I don't know what I know. Now I didn't know back. Then what I know now what? I'm learning now in what I'm knowing. Just naturally right now at this age is is is life changing for me and it's it has given all of this demeaning the pure meaning and purpose and none of it is really monetary and none of it is. You know it's about something deeper than that but I'm bursting. I'm bursting inside because I have been planning and I have been dreaming about you know. Do something in a in it might happen. We will all stay tuned to that but my last thing is we have a speed round number one. What's your skin care? Routine Neutrogena fish wash on the mix between Tasha supple suppled cream or dewey skin cream. I have this new cream augustine too. It's so funny I brought you on no brought you on. I just requested a few of them because me to and I asked for a bunch so I can give to my. You know my friends that I thought well I haven't I have one physio. Never get excited about pr but packages like if it's something that. I know what was the last thing you wait a protein bar right here in your studio. What makeup item does everyone need? I have to say right now because I'm a little biased but collab- that is going to be released soon of Kim and I 'cause I worked so hard on that it's a it's a w mario part to. It's called the artist amuse right. It's a collection of Palate and Some lip and cheek product of cool. No I I have. I have one so I cannot wait to see to. Who was the last celebrity that you did their makeup? Kim probably two or three days ago when I was in la. And is there any celebrity? You haven't done that you're dying to. Do you know what I always wanted to do. Michelle Obama so badly I I did. I got to make time. Wow close you know. I read her book a few months ago and after I read the book and it just gave me. The urge more to want to do here is like A. I'm so proud of her weird wave. I don't know her the I got lucky once or twice where she needed someone in between something and it was it was petrifying but it was really cool. I can imagine and I had fifteen minutes by the way I didn't. I'd fifteen minutes. She got it was definitely when the last term when it was She had something in the city she was coming in from DC. She had to get onstage in twenty minutes. I was like sitting in she. She goes pretty heavy with the makeup. I mean she's fully contours What did you do? I was in a bathroom and she came in and I said alone because I had met her before. And she said. I'm really sorry for the rush and I just started throwing things on her face and it was and I asked you know my sister to take a picture of me and her and she did and we didn't check the camera and it didn't. It was block but the best picture ever taken of me was you. I was a yahoo beauty and you came in and you took a picture of me and you. I don't know what you did to that thing I you're going to have to teach me how to me. I probably put one of the filter something like I never looked so good in my life. So we use. Are you still out there? Doing makeup. On 'em just pure love for me? Because that's what I love honest. You asked him what I wanted how I wanNA spend my day. It's in a studio and I own a photo studio by the way in in New Jersey so we rented out but I I constantly have a table full makeup. I have close and Hashtag goals one of my future future. Goals is that I can do make up but not have to not have to rely on depend on it to to live. You know I see myself working with him forever but like not for money. I WanNa do it because I mean 'cause I love to create but that's awesome for more podcasts. From iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. The only way through a new podcast in partnership with iheartradio under armor players coaches and athletes Intimate and personal stories of performing at the highest level. This season Notre Dame women's basketball coach. Muffin McGraw battling a losing record. Every game knowing you're supposed to win that really weighs heavy on your shoulders and I think said at one point. Wouldn't it be great to be the underdog again? 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"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"Make up and I know how to do that. Make up a really really. Well I I have to say. I'd never say stuff like that but like I know how to do that. Glam make the chisel the transforming makeup. I always tell my students. It's hard to explain bobby but I always tell my students I show them the whole thing. The whole entire transformation I let them allow them into my head almost almost like giving them a piece of my soul because everything that every time. Pick a brush or do something. I make sure that they fully understand. And I'm very sensitive to energy I can almost. I almost feel if someone in the room doesn't understand and so explain it another way until they get the how many people are in this room when you teach your masterclasses lot a lot. But what's with sixteen and now it's gone up to over two thousand class but how do you how do you please two thousand people learning and and your things sell out as quickly as you put them out? It's something that grew naturally and authentically something that even tried to hinder the growth of that. I I tried to stop you know would kind of cap it at you know. I remember at one point in before my sister came along I was capping at one hundred people back because they get venue one hundred seats and I'd say that's it because I was doing it all myself. The sponsors and getting the gift bags in the you know going crazy basically and digital master class. I haven't figured out yet the way to do that and to be honest Bobby. I could do. That could probably take a break for a little while because I would. It would reach a lot of people that are not able to come to these classes and there have been investment firms and people for years trying to get me to do this and I just won't because I haven't figured out a way that I can truly cheech right now I can only do it. Fully one hundred percent to know that the actually have understood it in person. Because I feel it. I don't think I've ever heard a bad word about you. I have to say like from industry sources. Not Not a bad word. Thank you know and trust me when people are Prima Donnas. It's easy to get caught up in this in this world bobby. I almost thought today when I was in the gym I was wondering like have I ever gotten caught up like had I ever actually got caught up where I lost sight of what the purposes in life and. I think I did at one point when I thought about this time when I did that. Show Glenn Masters with with him you know was the executive producer and she put me on so I felt totally confident going on it because it was her show. I just remember like stressing an end being so insane crazy about having a spray tan and having the hair without one hair out of place and losing weight and making sure closer perfect and I was so stiff on that show and I think known I look at it. It's almost comical of like what a disaster to me when I look at it. I mean people loved it because they were like. Oh my God I got caught up maybe around that time and that I was like thinking about all these things that right now this moment. We're sitting here with you like I don't give a shit about. There's something really amazing that happens when a person becomes comfortable in their own skin. Yeah every single person out there at some point. Hopefully we'll figure that out what made Vincent Van Gogh one of the greatest painters and most tortured souls of all time. There's something truly magical about the fact that he pulled out of this life of misery. These joyful images of flowers sent rolling hills and bright colors what Albert Einstein be diagnosed with attention deficit disorder. Today he was a very good student in math and sciences and he was a mediocre to decent student in other areas. Some of that is lack of interest. Also lack of talent Harry. Houdini predestined to become the great escape artists. Based on his family's great escape all of these things can function as sort of a metaphor for his own genesis and origin story. Which seems to be again. You know a series of escapes. I'm Dr Gail Saltz and on my new podcast personality. I'll joined by amazing experts to delve into the minds of famous historical figures. If you want to know what really made exceptional people to then take a listen to personality? Listen to personality every Monday. On the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. What is it about that whole glam makeup in the contouring and all that stuff? I always tell me which is important not to do. And it's GonNa make you stronger. Art Man you know to do that more and more strong. But what is it with you? I feel like you have a district. Oh I do I do. And I've been very vocal about you know you don't need to contour. I mean my audience. A real women. My audience are not the people going on the red carpet? My audience has always been you know the woman gets up in the mornings got kids and has to get to work and maybe she has a party at night and she takes good care of herself. She has really good skin. Does the that's always been the Bobby Merson. So no when they're like should icon tour. Well if you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA talk dirt on your face because he's not gonNA look good and also. I'm you know my thing has always been like when I was in middle school. I never thought I was pretty. I never thought it was smart. I never thought I was all of these things that my friends were and I really had bad self esteem about the way I looked so when I would do my makeup and my first time I ever had my makeup Don. Someone did my makeup and they said let me show you how I can control your nose because your noses too big and I had brown lines down my nose and I felt bad about my nose. Let me show you how to play. Bure is your is a really small and she did that not very well. I felt my eyes. Were bad and your skin is too yellow. So let me show you. Your cheeks are to this your lips and I literally was made up and I looked awful and yourself not myself fact that someone was telling me what was wrong with me when I wash my face. I was like I would pretty cute. You know seventh eighth grade. Whatever high school whatever I was. I'm like I looked like allie McGraw. It wasn't my look. My mission in life is to help people feel good about who they are. It's not an anti contoured the way you contour your women. It's an anti contoured. The way I was contoured in the way that I see other women feeling bad about themselves the way I approach it. I mean that's interesting But I love that you you know you're stuck to that and you. That is your philosophy and that is your and I respect that. You are adamant about it. I don't know any better. I would love you to teach me out of contour. Honestly I would literally love to come as a guest master one. Yeah seriously I mean you know a one on one wouldn't be bad either but I would love. I mean I'm a makeup are how about this until if I launched the youtube then we have to do a video. I would love my channel. I would love to talk so when I approach it is. This is how the class is that. I always tell them right before. I begin because to be honest with you when I started being called the contracting and all that stuff I only really contract with the bronze or at that time it was just add warm but I do that anyways. I do that when I do make by take my which Kinda Pinky tone bronze are on me. Because I have very yellow skin and I use it and I kind of gently put it everywhere and put a little bit more in certain. I'm not contouring but I'm kind of creating how the skin should look young and it's hard to teach other make bars to do that. Yeah I I've not been successful. You know it is hard hard but it's important for you for all of your artists to know how to contour into correctly but it's more important. I always say that you know when not to contour in this. I also started to realize recently because when I think back on my career and how it happened I guess I feel a little responsibility with you know with Kim that we put this out there but what happened after that was quickly took. It's a life of its own and you know the brands and the retailers and everyone started to you know to literally created like a billion dollar category and I left the brand. They started putting contour on every single pallet. Because I wouldn't let it happen when I was there my love that I talked about all that stuff. Yeah yeah so I think what happened. Was it started to have a life of its own and people do it for like a shock factor. People started to do it so extreme to where it was a lot of timeshare La Times comical. Her look has evolved. And your makeup is probably evolved since the beginning when you saw the line on the pencil like never. They never used to do line on the lip. Now we actually do it. She likes it knowing I use her lip liners. I like Oh really. Yeah I love and I bought the Shimmer Pal I like but I have to have the lightest hand because it's really high intense for real for daylight but I I love it maybe colors. Yeah honestly the most fun I'm having as using everyone's makeup because for years when I was at the brand I only used mine. I always find that it's so inspiring when I've already introduced new makeup into the glass. I get stuck on the same things but like you know really inspires me and I do different things. I was telling my system. I said hard you because I felt that you. Would you know sort of coming here and all this new stuff 'cause I get all these patches every day I'm like I think I just want to have bags on the table but I want to turn around? I don't want you to Henry things. I want him around. I WANNA look at my bag and Hicks. Yes yes I get it. Trust me go. That was the best thing that happened because when I used to do shoots I used to have like five makeup artists assisting and now I have. Sometimes I've one person I started doing even by myself. So there's Mario the makeup artist Mario the businessman Mario The sun. How does Mario the person process like what's your technique when you need to take it down which I'm trying to figure that out Bobby I've been very very bad at that because of the amount that travel in my career because I for example I live in New York and Kim lives in L. A. And so because I do all these other things and projects and I'm and I'm working on all these things for the future and I try to be there so much you know as much as I can to be there for her because they know that I think I think in my mind that it provides her some sort of comfort happiness beano being there for her and so I get exhausted because I'm getting old not old but I am getting older. I'm getting twenty. Yeah and so. I've been sort of struggling a lot with letting go a little bit. Not being such a control freak and delegating more things to people without me having to be involved and even on my way here this morning. It's crazy that we're doing this conversation because it's like so much happened this morning. I you know I looked at Mitch. The Assistant I said. You know what Mitch. I want to be taken off of all these emails. I said just I'm just going to let it leave it up to you and to Fonda and I said I don't WanNa have to oversee every single thing. Yeah things that I don't need to be looking at another thing which I would've never talked about this ever in my life but I'm GonNa talk about it. I had an appointment today for scheduled for I think it was. Two or three for my. You know basic press this all these needles in your face and they puts little tiny amounts of filler and buttocks vitamins. And all that stuff and I don't know what it was causing stress because I couldn't I couldn't find the time to go into make the appointment and this morning I looked at the calendar and I'm you know I see that appointment and I just like started texting the the woman and I. I just wrote this long thing and I sounded probably like a crazy person and I said you know what Laura I said. I don't WanNA come in today. Said I realize it's not gonNA make a difference if I do or not. I'm not sure why I'm trying to go. And because I received that honor from the influence rewards from our artists achievement so I was thinking like automatically will have to do this and I have to get.
"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"So I am here today with my. I'm going to say new friend because I've always admired him so much but first of all I wanNA make sure I say the last name correct. So it's Mario you all know one by makeup by Mario. His last name is go ahead. Mario you gotta try okay. All right. We'll try one dead of an okay time Ted. A Visa Novick. Oh my God novick a demonic data von Avec. I didn't do that it out. I don't think anyone ever says that name. I always just a minute. Or Mario de Mario. Where is that name from? I am Albanian while I was born in America but I consider myself I because I was a I was raised with the obtaining culture but my parents are from Montenegro and a beautiful place. It is a beautiful place here which is and they have beaches from where my dad's side is like the Adriatic Sea and then where my mom's from it's like farm and more farm and countries so it's like the best of both and you grow up where in the Bronx okay in the Bronx New York and yeah? I'm Bronx boy. Am I wrong selenium way? Well and how many siblings do you have the youngest of four? Wow youngest of four okay. So you're the baby. All right well now be calling him. Baby Mario. I was always the baby super funny. I feel like I'm not anymore but I was always the baby and I I know from things I've read because there's so many awesome articles on you. A how close you are to your family. Yes you all work together right. Well not all of us so my sister marina who's right after me. She's the one that's one that's word after mean age. She is sort of the organizer for the master class so she kind of came in and took over my master classes when it was a very small thing you know that I had sort of I had never allowed anyone into it and I'd never allowed any press or cameras or anything photographers videos. I mean I kept it so sheltered and protected you know when I discovered the teaching and I it added something so substantial to my life in the I can't even explain. How long have you been doing? The master classes are going to be ten years. I think yeah. And how did you even come up with the idea and what happened was after I started working with Kim Kardashian for us is under a rock of after I came and I started working with her? Something sort of naturally happened that in that she began to post these photos online behind the scenes like completely innocent like years ago or well almost twelve years ago and something happened in that people really resonated with 'em people were so inspired by like her Glam and the fact that she was showing all these cool things like you know the baking powder and all those tips and tricks that she loved. She wanted to show them because he was so cool in what she Kim Kardashian. Twelve years ago like no not like she is she was just like when I met her. She was season season. One of keeping up with the Kardashians. I barely knew she was known the name but I really didn't even fully know what she had looked like the first day that I agreed to do the job with her like for the for this cover in Newark. We kind of skipped from growing up in the Bronx to your masterclasses. So fill in between. How did you even get to meet Kim? Because I know you're not classically trained makeup artist. You learned everything on your own assisted as well after high school. I wanted to go to college. But basically my dad was like what are you GonNa do? I said well I want to go to Miami because I just felt like I wanted to go away from the Family. And he said well absolutely not he said we don't have the money for that and and so kind of like to rebel. I almost like now as an adult. I when I when I look back. I almost feel like I was happy. Even though I I was mad I was almost happy because I was like okay. Well now I can go find a job in like you know. Find something do something. I didn't know at that time what I wanted to do. I was almost like creatively frustrated because I I was so inspired by certain things like symmetry in art and design and all the things I didn't have as a child growing up. You know I grew up in a basement apartment. There was no beauty. You know what I mean. There was no decor. There was none of that stuff you know there was no beautiful landscaping nothing and so all of those things. Since I was a little child I would seek that stuff and I would ask my dad to drive me to Westchester. You know because I wanted to see the lawns and the flowers and I would beg my mom to take me with her to to clean apartments because she did that as a second job she. She cleaned the building. L'oreal for many many years and then she also did side jobs cleaning people's homes and so nothing excited me more because I wanted to go into their homes and I was see all of the beauty and the artwork in the design and I would see all of that stuff that was just to me was like wow like you know. One day I'm going to have this to mom you know after high school I went and with my mom to look for a job and I had all these places like Armani exchange us all the retail stores thinking. I'm just GONNA find a job and I'm going to have some freedom now in you know more school. And I walked into Sephora. It was a brand new so four of the First Star. I think is this is almost twenty years ago was two thousand and remember it had revolving doors and who's in Rockefeller Center and you know we're walking by. I don't know what Lord it was almost like a force because I don't remember at that time. I didn't know what to four was windows tinted so I didn't know what was inside but I went through the revolving doors and we went in there. Was this music. And then everyone was wearing these black suits with these black gloves and it smells so delicious to me because I've always loved fragrance wanted fragrance. You know we couldn't really buy. They couldn't buy me fragrances. But like I loved it and I wanted it always and my mom the first thing she said when he walked in is no no no no mommy she goes on. This is not for you. Mommy she goes she turns me around the revolving door to pull me and I said No. I said I want to go in here and I want to look to see eighteen at the time. He's seventeen I went and I looked around and went upstairs. I remember and I saw the skincare and then I saw the fragrances in the nice all the makeup but really it was more initially the the fragrance. I think that was sort of and the smell of the place and also chic. Everyone looked in those black suits. I just thought like I wouldn't be here and I for a job. They never called me back. And so of course. I was adamant that I had to work there and that these people had to give me a chance because they don't know how you know. I'm a good person like they're gonNA love him a hard worker. Because I had been working since I was twelve literally since I was twelve packing bags and Bronx Zoo restaurants music that was financially independent from the age of twelve. And I somehow I think I went to the library. And I've found a research the company Sephora Because Cup calling and they wouldn't answer my calls and I found there was a woman named Marie Christine. I believe her name. Was you had blond hair. And she was in France and somehow I got in touch with her and she picked up the phone. And I said my name is Mario Blah and I and I really WanNa work at the store and they went and no one's calling me back and I just want them to give me a chance. Whatever and I don't know what the Hell I said to her but maybe she thought it was cute. I don't know and she said Yeah. I'm going to be in New York next week as you said. We're hiring for a new store. She said maybe you would. You would be good for one locations and I went in on. Never Forget it was such a big deal. You meet her you. Do you know where she is now. Yes I asked recently. She's still works for the company in France now. Does she know that that young boy that she helped is now you? I'm looking forward to seeing all at that time. She was so I mean she was the epitome of French Glamour and Power and she was you know I remember that when she would come to the stores everyone would be on their best behavior and everything had to be perfect and sharp and clean and so to me. She was that figure very intimidating and saw this year right now. I went to the interview and put all this Cologne on your car. Newark Newark is. That was my dad and I had like an open shirt. I remember the Buttons Down Little Guido. You know because that's what I sort of saw. And that's what Bronx and my hair had a lot of eyebrows again. She sort of looked at me. Remember like kind of like a little smirk and she said okay. She said we're going to hire a consultant. And you're going to go to a training that's going to be a few days. Inn Hotel Blah Blah Blah. So I went. I did that. I was so excited and the first day of work that I was on the floor you know excited to sell fragrance now and thinking you know because I wanted to learn everything about fragrance. I wanted to know what I was talking about what to know what I was telling the customers and but really what they did was they put me at the front door to the basket and to say welcome just four hundred times as every person that walked through me and me and this girl. Corinna who actually is one of the only ones. I've still really close with and one day you know. Actually the first day they had at that time so for us to have like five hundred different colors of lipstick and specific packaging and all the colors like so unique there was yellows and Greens and Blues. And everything and a woman was sort of an end cap because I could picture it exactly where she was right near the entrance and she said skews me. Can you please help me choose a color and for one second? I hesitated but then I was like no I went and I went right through her and I was like sure. I think just like pick the color that I thought was not obviously not crazy and that I thought was pretty and she tried it on and she goes I. Love goes thanks. I don't know exactly how to explain it but I had found in that moment that Oh my God this is what I'm GonNa do. I'M GONNA I'm GONNA do makeup. There was also a thing with all the makeup artist in that storm. I sort of looked up to them in a way that I you know. I knew that they made a little more money than everyone else. And they knew that they were so cool. And I knew that they were fashionable and and so I wanted to kind of in a sense be like that but really what it was was me sort of finding the my creative outlet of what I didn't know my entire life. I thought I was going to be a teacher. And that's what all I wanted to be our Mary Say Teacher Educator. Yeah I feel like. I can't say officially a teacher until I get you know. Obviously that's something that would make you feel good getting into great. Yeah Yeah I did go to college by the way I went After I WANNA say four or five years of working once I moved out of my parent's house and you were still Sephora at the time no how long did you work at Sephora was I wanna say like a year and a half two years maybe two years yeah and because I I went to another store and then officially as a makeup artist once I had been from edgewood makeup artist. And then you know the brand started to re to come to me and recruit me and Carol Shaw Laura Vocal Rock Cosmetic. It was on herself but it was Pamela. Who WORKED WITH HER FOR YEARS? One of the early. Makeup artist founders. Really Carol Shaw was. I'm pretty up there in the story remember him. Think back of look where all the branches position. I don't think you were in the store. Not Wait Department. Stores Pamela sort of recruited me and I I became I guess. Unofficially regional makeup artist rock where I went to all of the Sephora as in New York City.
"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"Is a production of iheartradio. I'm your host Bobby Brown. I really wanted to interview make Mario because he's a force. He's so different than me. My style everything. I'm fascinated by his master classes. I'm fascinated by his talent. I'm fascinated by really historic because I've read a lot of stories of where he came from and I'm fascinated his incredible rise to the top of this field. We have a mutual friend and she said Dude you would love him and you know what she's right. I love this guy. So Mario is Kim Kardashian's makeup artist. He has done every celebrity from Katy. Perry to Jennifer Lopez to Priyanka Chopra. I can go on. He's gotten awards his the genius behind Kim's look for every red carpet every met ball. I'm by the fact that he has seven million followers and that he still talks to them. People love him. People just love him and they know him not just from being Kim's make barred from being on the show. Mario has this incredible network of people that either wannabe makeup artist. WanNa be better makeup artists and just want a piece of what he's doing. Everyone wants to look better and feel better. When you're a makeup artist you understand other makeup artists. Here's my conversation with Mario.
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"Joined as the match have filled their vacancy with the son of Felipe Alou Louise roe Haas arm and you could not most Mets fans over with a feather because this is a guy was a quality control coach last year obviously a tremendous family lineage of bilingual individual who can relate to virtually everyone in the clubhouse does the team has managed it up you know if you will smaller places than the fishbowl York's that's rolling dice man because as Harold Reynolds of MLB network pointed out there ready to win now they got away now this is it certainly Syndergaard might not be around for much longer although the other guys supposedly not really Bobby Axelrod but has a resume Bobbi acts Roddy's going to be the the new full time or the mats has all the money to spend you don't have any problems like the previous years so you never know did I mean
Robert Hyde, GOP figure in Ukraine documents, says he was 'playing' with Giuliani associate
"Senate lawmakers have been sworn in by Chief Justice John Roberts ahead of president trump's impeachment trial and beers got Newman says opening statements will get under way next week the biggest question that needs to be resolved is whether to call witnesses many conservatives oppose that but some more moderate Republicans such as Maine's Susan Collins say they might favor it NPR's Scott Newman reporting president trump is accused of abusing power by pressuring you cranes president to announce an investigation into Joe Biden and his son and for holding of U. S. military aid to Ukraine the president says he didn't do anything wrong on Thursday the government accountability office found the president did break the law by suspending the aid for fifty five days the White House rejects the GAO report the FBI is investigating a trump donor from Connecticut this is in connection with the president and Ukraine and fears Bobbi Allen reports on Robert hide hides name grab headlines this week when house Democrats released a new batch of documents showing text messages between him and Lev Parnassus the indicted associate of Rudy Giuliani in the exchanges hide who used to be in the marines claimed to have been doing surveillance on former US ambassador to Ukraine Murray Ivana the age before trump abruptly recalled her from her post hide is a bombastic and pretty obscure Republican candidate for Congress even here in Connecticut his name is widely unknown his state's own party asked him not to run for office after he posted some offensive and misogynistic tweets now the FBI is boring into his
"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"Agree with the direction that they wanted to take the company and so I just I didn't want to be there anymore and honestly it was my aunt. Alice my eighty I think. Now she's like eighty seven eighty eight. She goes about her when she was eighty two. Yeah oh no. She's unbelievable she might be eighty nine. Even you've never seen anyone more vibrant. She'll be calling in. Don't wear yes but aunt Alice said okay. It's time all I do is hear you complain every time we're on the phone and and what. I'm hearing out of your mouth it's time and I'd say Oh can't tell us it's not time yet. Finally else was right. It was time and we jumped in We know what we were doing. The hotel around just at the right time right then. The hotel when my husband said. Let's renovate this hotel and we're like okay and no idea no idea no budget. He's never done it before and we just did it now. We have this like cool fund hotel. George Hustler's over hustlers. We're just no we're not hustling best sense the word in You know we're not hustlers. We're just people that like a lie on hustling not hustling. Were just like Jon said. Hey Yeah you're hustler. I'd be like yeah. No it's not you know it's just girls not knowing what they're doing doing stuff making shit up. I mean that's what I'm really good at. I make it up well and now we kind of know what we're doing in some senses but we we could use. Probably you know Straw structure I. Hopefully we will anybody out there. Yeah Bano I might have found an intern who used to be a president and CEO of a very big company to seven year. Old Guy offered him an internship. I'm so excited. Yeah we'll see fingers cross and evolution eighteen. Which I think is a great story for you to tell well Evan. Evolution eighteen is a wellness brand that teaches people. How to beautiful from the inside out? It really is you know combination. You know I'm not saying don't wear conceal her blush. You know makeup but the differences the better and healthier skin is the less makeup you need and the better it looks and so- evolution eighteen is a way for me to help people not only educate themselves on how to live a healthier life but I've made products and supplements that will supplement the healthy life. There is no way that these products will work if you're eating junk food every single day so it's an education platform for me but also certain tools and answering some lifestyle thing. So you know there's a chocolate powder that literally fills you up fuels your brain taste delicious and on according to the package will keep me away from the bread basket when I go to dinner so things like that. I think it's the same philosophy you've always had. It's your urine every woman you get what women and men some men plenty more needs. Are Their lifestyles chaotic frenetic pace of most people's life? And now there's a whole other aspect to your life to health coach Yes. I'm a health coach. I got I had a moment to think about. What would I like to do like golf tennis and go to the movies and clays with my girlfriends? Nah so that's why I had to just keep thinking of businesses but I always wanted to learn more about health and wellness so I N Institute of Integrative Nutrition. I went back to school and it was all this cool digital program and I learned a lot. Do you still feel that and your kids are older but that poll of like Oh shabby families. Should I do this? Should I do that? I'm missing out or do you feel more balanced definitely feel more balance you know. There's there's a good thing about you know turning sixty announced sixty two and you just kind of realize what matters and you know what I recently committed to be on this really cool panel in San Francisco and I never would have thought of calling in saying. I can't do it but I was invited to Paris with one of my children and their girlfriend and I still a couple of months out and I'm like you know what and I just called the people that were running the panel said I have to be really honest and I told him the truth and they said we understand. We do it next year. So but you know that's how I did it myself. I didn't ask anyone to make the call for me and hopefully you know. They said they weren't mad but and they appreciate it. We'll see if you get the call. We'll see if I get the call next year. But you know what? How could I not go to Paris with my son? And his girlfriend agreed All right well so then you have this amazing life. I mean in so many senses of the word what what's left. What do you WANNA do? It's left a lots left. What are you? What are you hoping to learn? What am I hoping to learn? I mean I look I am in. I have an insatiable like hunger for learning how to Type No. I don't WanNA learn to type. No I don't WANNA learn to type but there's so many things I wanNA do. There's there's you know a couple of things I can't talk about and certainly a couple things that I am pretty excited that we're working on now. I'm building another empire but I'm doing it differently. I'm doing it might way and if I ever sell it. I'm not staying because I want to build this community of people that work with me. That could you know. Bring their dogs bring their kids? Could you know figure out how to have a life and I want to be able to enter the people I work with? And you know we'll see there's there's a whole bunch of things on my plate. Well that sounds like the perfect definition for beyond the real Bobby Brown beyond the beauty. I think you just summed up the podcast. My goal is When I am in my eighties and I have grandchildren. I still want to have a company. Still WanNa work and my goal is to be able to say that I could touch my toes and do yoga. I WanNa be you know a really fit fit person as I get older you will be. I think I will be. I have no doubt. Yeah I have no doubt you run circles around people now I I I would say that I I mean I hate to talk about age. But it's I feel ageless like I forget. How old am which is good? Yeah Yeah I don't look in the mirror I don't shoot things in my face. You don't things in your face you don't i. Don't look in the Mirror. You don't eat a bunch of crap crazy here have an active lifestyle. I mean yeah you sleep well right right I do. I have no problem sleeping. You know. Probably my biggest complaint with myself as I am a little bit Add a little bit. Ocd. Off diagnosed. Self-diagnose I once did a to the AD test. And I flunked so badly the doctor said could you come back another time it again and I said no I don't need to. They thought maybe you're just having a bad day. I tried to focus. Well lots more to come from the Bob. Stor as we call her and Help guys enjoy the PODCAST? 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"bobbi" Discussed on Beyond the Beauty with Bobbi Brown
"Hey this is bobby and this is my first episode of beyond the beauty and I have no idea exactly what we're going to be doing which is exactly why I'm excited about this. Why do things and jump into things is because I find things interesting and I like to know what I don't know and I don't know a lot which is one of the reasons why I'm doing this podcast and why I'm really excited? I'm GONNA just ask a ton of questions because I have a lot to learn but my very first guest is someone that knows me really. Well we have been together for seven years seven years. She started as my executive assistant at Bobbi Brown cosmetics and. She had never done that before she was a producer who produced. Snoop Dogg came to New York and needed a GIG and a mutual friend introduced US then. She became the managing director of Yahoo. She ran my eyeglass company. She also edited a book or two and then she moved to Montclair with her husband. Had A couple. Babies runs my empire. She also doesn't know what she's doing but she seems to figure it out but that's why her and I get along so well it's territory seaney. I'm really lucky to call her my friend and really just you know one of my besties. So now she's crying thanks Bob. It wasn't just Yahoo. Though was Yahoo. Beauty. Don't want people to get confused with Marissa Mayer at the time. Oh yes that is correct and that was another time where someone came to me and said what would you? Could you create a beauty magazine for us? And I'm like okay. Why not I had no clue what I was doing. Well that was a great introduction. So all right. Let's just break the Ice Year. Not that we have ice break but We have ice. But it's not a March starbucks Hint Hint. We love sponsorship by you All right bobby. What's your go to cocktail? My go to cocktail is actually Tito's on the rocks Either by itself with three hours of. It's a Saturday night and if I need to be hydrated I do a Tito's Mahyco which is a Tito's and soda with fresh lime juice cement and some cucumber kind of like a SPA drink. Okay what is your morning makeup routine? My morning maker routine is absolutely doesn't exist unless I am either being photographed or working on a set or doing something fun or going to a party and you always just do it in the car anyway. I've never done my makeup in a bathroom ever no. I can't. I've never seen you do it in a bathroom. Yep makeup item. You can't live without. I would say moisturizer. I think that's the one thing that I could actually teach people with the right moisturizer. You really don't need that much. Makeup takes off coconut coconut. Oil takes makeup off. It can even do flyways. Yup Yup Pinch and I love. I love oil. I love oil evening. Skin care routine. I take off my makeup. You didn't that's IT I do. If you're wearing any right right but I washed my face at night I do. I do yeah. I think that's one thing. People always misjudge about you though because you would assume makeup mogul whereas a lot of makeup while. I also the honest truth be told a since I left Bobbi Brown cosmetics. I don't wear as much makeup. I don't know maybe getting rid of a lot of stress. You look better also become a health coach. I'm obsessed with healthy eating and I find now that when I look in the mirror and look bad I I stop myself and say what have I been doing my lifestyle? That's making me not look so fresh And it really does make a big difference What's the last exercise you did this morning? My my trainer crystal came to my house. I was so not in the mood and I so wanted to cancel last night. Do a couple life things that are happening and I just had her come and I'm glad I did. We walked we talked. She pushed me. I walked with weights at my dog. Biggie came with and then we did one of her ten minute in the backyard routines and I feel much better because of ood. What's the last thing you bought the last thing I bought? I'm sure it was something online And it was probably something on Amazon. I could be afraid to check my Amazon history. Oh No that's the one thing I have to learn how to wipe it out because God forbid something ever happens to me. I don't want anyone to know the stuff I buy 'em so they're all health related there all some potion or something all right. What's the last thing you said to someone on the phone? My Dad told my loved him. Oh I did that so sweet. Yeah well okay. Then I'll tell the story of how I I might be to just put things into perspective because she described our relationship like spot on my mom causes Oprah and Gayle. I'm obviously It's Okay Gills killing so I had just moved back to New York from La and was looking for a job. I've only been back. A couple of weeks. Still wanted to be a producer. Yes I produce new reality show and a bunch of other ones and a mutual friend. I was having lunch with Alexandra Jewish and she's like Iran by round last night at her book party and she's looking for an assistant. So what it's like. Why are you telling me that she was no? Nobody's really really cool. You should just go meet her. So you know leap of faith went. They booked me in to meet Bobby right away squeezed me into her busy schedule. Because she's fancy pants and it was at the bottom of blue means fifty nine th street in some small tiny. Green Green Room. Yeah thought you had. You're sitting there in a chair like Buddha. You know you had your legs crossed. Signature bobby pose and Couple of the girls were in the room on your team and if we just start talking and asked if you're Jewish probably probably I don't remember maybe I could tell you aren't anyway got to chatting totally headed off like right in the moment and you said to me just take this job. I promise you if your entrepreneurial if you can get everything done that you need to get done I'll let you do whatever you want and you said I don't want to be an assistant and I said you could put anything you want on the business cards. We'll just make our own business cards. I don't care what you call yourself and I think we decided on Chief of staff but we never did exactly that would not have been allowed at estee lauder. No that wasn't cool. They weren't on our exact paid but we we figured it out. So it's been one kind of iteration after another and then eventually you know bobby and her husband Stephen. Who's also also they got us out to Montclair. Now I have two babies and now and you get into my carriage house into your care just had the baby there and then the day after you had the baby I called you and said I'm no longer working for Bobbi Brown cosmetics. That's right yeah and I remember one of those amazing moments where you were feeding your baby. Your mother was there and and I started to cry because I was really upset. And then your mother started to cry and then you started to cry three which is crying and your mother was like. Stop you guys. We got this. Don't worry she was like she was like next chapter. All right next chapter on. Come on guys. It's bobby bones. I host the bobby bones show and I'm pretty much always sleepy because wake up at three o'clock in the morning a couple of hours later I get all my friends together but we get into a room and we do a radio show. What's your alive. We tell our stories. We try to find as much good in the world possibly can and we looked through the news of the day that you'll care about also your favorite country. Artists are always stopping by to hang out and share their lives and music too so wake up with a bunch of my friends. I Ninety eight point seven. W M Z Q in Washington DC or wherever the rotates you on the iheartradio APP beauty from the inside out came out. Which is the Ninth Book and for those guys? That don't know who I am. I've done nine books but I still don't know how to type typed. They were not. They were handwritten. Tara had to retype them we cut and paste with pictures but yeah it's just been one cool thing after the AXA now again an environment's been created where you know. I brought my second baby to work almost every day so cool. Yeah in the office. Actually I think there's something to it like good vibes endorphins. Babies people don't fight. They don't argue as much tensions. Don't rise in somehow. We've managed to build a hotel. We've managed to build a just bobby dot com. Where now on our second podcast and a wellness brand eighteen and you know what we still are friends and we still see each other for dinner. That's right and It's it's you know it's definitely girl power well so for the people who don't know you. Let's talk about when you're young working mom working makeup artists newly married wall. I think you're about to have Dylan first child. I do get married first before it had a baby. Right Right Right. You followed the followed the pattern Tell us what it was like. Starting the company. Well it was. You know wasn't a company. I didn't know I was starting a company. I was working makeup artist. Commuting to New York and by the way is to drive to New York which I haven't did I did I drive. Teamwork danger danger will Robinson drive to New York and I used to take the bus. The sixty six DECAMP bus. I did all sorts of things and you know pregnant with my first baby. I was working makeup artist and then one day during a shoot I met a chemist and I told him that I had this idea of a lipstick that looked like lips and he made a for me and I thought people might be interested in buying this and I thought I could sell it so I started a company. I didn't know I didn't know I was starting a company I was just. We didn't have the terms side hustle but it was my side Hustle and I thought. Wow this is really cool. I could sell lipstick but then I realized not. Everybody likes nude colored lipstick so I thought about a bunch of different colors and started selling them and the chemist would make them and I would. I didn't know what marketing or. Pr was but I would market them. Npr Him but when did it when so. When did things really start to turn? And you're like Oh shit all right well. I think it probably took about this. Never gets in any of the history books but I think it was probably a year About a year that I was selling these out of my house that I'd put them in a Manila envelope and my husband would mail them and one day I a friend of mine who worked at a magazine Glamour Magazine wrote about them and we got lots of calls and it was never oc- it was like Oh cool and then I met a woman at a party who was a buyer for Bergdorf Goodman and she said let me take them in the store and that's was the ocean now what 'cause nowadays.
Nick Gordon dies: The latest in a series of tragedies since Whitney Houston's death
"The former boyfriend of Whitney Houston's daughter Bobbi Kristina brown is dead family revealed yesterday thirty year old Nick Gordon passed away due to a reported drug overdose Gordon told investigators in twenty fifteen he found brown face down in a bathtub people magazine in the Daily Mail report Gordon suffered a number of heart attacks on new year's day and was rushed to the intensive care unit of an Orlando area hospital where he passed
The late Bobbi Kristina Brown's former boyfriend dies at 30
"Nick Gordon the former boyfriend of Bobbi Kristina brown has died after being found unresponsive in Orlando hotel room Maitland police say they got to call early yesterday morning year old male not conscious not breathing callers by black coming out of his mouth and he is not reading price seventeen he was found in a Sheraton hotel room your eyes for Maitland Boulevard about five years ago Bobbi Kristina brown the twenty two year old daughter of singer Whitney Houston she was found unresponsive in a
Nick Gordon died after being found unresponsive in hotel
"Police in the Orlando suburb of Maitland say paramedics were called to Nick Gordon's hotel room early Wednesday Gordon was pronounced dead at a nearby hospital he was thirty police are not giving any more details and will not say if it's a criminal investigation Whitney Houston had raised Gordon since he was twelve but never adopted him after Houston's death in twenty twelve cordon went public with his relationship with Bobbi Kristina brown Houston's daughter with singer Bobby brown Gordon was found responsible in a wrongful death lawsuit in the death of Bobbi Kristina and twenty fifteen although he was not criminally charged I marches are letter
Bobbi Kristina Brown's ex-partner Nick Gordon dies at 30
"Nick Gordon's attorney confirms his client's death at the age of thirty but does not give details Gordon was an orphan at age twelve and Whitney Houston raised him along with Bobbi Kristina brown her daughter with Bobby brown used to never adopted Gordan after Houston's death in twenty fifteen Gordon and Bobbi Kristina went public with their romance Bobbi Kristina was found unresponsive from an apparent overdose in a bathtub in twenty fifteen and died after being in a coma for six months Gordon was never charged but he was ordered to pay thirty six million dollars to Bobbi Kristina's estate in a wrongful death lawsuit I Margie's our letter
Bobbi Kristina Brown's Ex-Boyfriend Nick Gordon Dies at 30 from Drug Overdose
"Shocking news about a name that we haven't heard in the news for awhile but Nick Gordon you member that name I do only because I sold this morning Bobbi Kristina brown's yards with these nobody all your maybe step brother yeah member he was the guy that Bobbi Kristina had been dating and then he lived with the Houston family for a while the brown family for awhile and then they were dating and then he was he was one of the names thrown around as it queues of murdering by actual lost a civil suit okay for the wrongful death about Bobbi Kristina anyways he committed overdose on drugs and new year's day he died on new year's day thirty years old I love it heard of him for awhile and now we get this news
Bobbi Kristina Brown's Ex-Boyfriend Nick Gordon Dies at 30 from Drug Overdose
"Nick Gordon who is found responsible for the death of Whitney Houston's daughter he has died Gordon was Bobbi Kristina brown's boyfriend at the time that she passed away back in twenty fifteen I he died of an apparent drug overdose Bobbi Kristina's family had sued him accusing him of giving her a drug cocktail that led to
US mass killings hit new high in 2019, most were shootings
"Mass killings in the U. S. hit a new high in twenty nineteen and thirty three of the record forty one mass killings were shootings I come to this side of the one of the many tragedies took place in Virginia beach where twelve people were killed in a workplace shooting Bobbi Dyer is the mayor there this is a nightmare nobody ever wants to live twenty two people lost their lives in August at a Walmart in el Paso governor Greg Abbott spoke at a memorial service we know this evil will not overcome us very shortly after that there were shocking Dayton were nine people were gunned down which led frustrated protester to tell politicians I usually have
US mass killings hit new high in 2019, most were shootings
"I come to this side of the one of the many tragedies took place in Virginia beach where twelve people were killed in a workplace shooting Bobbi Dyer is the mayor there this is a nightmare nobody ever wants to live twenty two people lost their lives in August at a Walmart in el Paso governor Greg Abbott spoke at a memorial service we know this evil will not overcome us very shortly after that there were shocking Dayton were nine people were gunned down which led frustrated protester to tell politicians I usually have
Bobbi Brown Introduced the World to Face Oil
"We're talking with someone who pretty much launched my career and beauty the incredible just legendary makeup artist. I entrepreneurship incredible woman. Bobby Brown and she invented no makeup makeup and introduce the concept of face oil did she she she did we were all at a black tie. This way before like face oil was even a glimmer and anyone's idea. We were lining up there. were all these celebrities getting their pictures taken. Gin and bobby gave us these little tiny bottles of efface oil and she was like dad this on your face over your makeup. It's GonNa make you look so pretty and she was like your number. One tip these days to it is it is really I mean so many tips from Bobby Brown that I like us every day. Yeah that's so cool face while is pretty incredible. I was afraid of it once upon a time time because I break out a lot but it really helps balance your skin and it makes you look so summary and gloomy.
Billie Lourd to guest star on Will and Grace
"Move on love this does Billy lord will guest star in the final season of will and grace as the granddaughter of her real life late grandmother Debbie Reynolds. the casting she will play Fiona Adler who is the the niece of grace Adler that's Debra messing character the daughter of Janet. in the granddaughter of Bobbi Adler Debbie Reynolds they will see that on Wednesday September twenty fifth Debbie Reynolds played Bobby on twelve episodes of really races and the actually one she got a primetime Emmy nomination for her work she was great I love that cast.
US Envoy To Afghanistan Calls For Peace Talks To Be Accelerated
"The US envoy to Afghanistan is calling for peace talks to be accelerated after a suicide bombing in a packed wedding hall in Kabul this weekend NPR's Bobby Allen reports the US and the Taliban are trying to negotiate a deal for American troops withdraw the local Islamic state affiliate claimed responsibility for the deadly attack on a wedding reception in Kabul that killed sixty three people and wounded a hundred and eighty two others the US special envoy for Afghan peace Zalmay Khalilzad condemned the attack on Twitter he says peace talks between the Taliban and Afghan government will put Afghanistan in a stronger position to defeat the Islamic state negotiators say they are close to an agreement on withdrawing American troops in exchange for the Taliban committing to peace and security but the US backed Afghan government has been left out of the talks and even if there is a deal many worry that violence in the country will processed and that the Taliban will not do enough to protect civilians after years of killing civilians themselves Bobbi Alan